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Love the comments Deepika
Cheers to U & Ur review
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thank god u did'nt say KGB...cheers mate and rock on..tc
cheers to you...Dj's sometimes r in their zone and rock gets to them...try agian...see u soon and thx for ur comments..tc
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hi there...thank u for ur valuable comments and cheers 2 u...u could win many more hidden place stuff in the near future and to make sure that everyone has a good time we have opened a new Hidden Place-the crazy frog...off boat club/dhole patil road in akshay cmplx...ph 66205933....weekends are back...Cheers again
cheers to our stupidity....pleasure to be of service to you again...
Time would depend on the food that is ordered, we cook all our food from scratch, pls do ask the service staff for quicker food if hungry or getting late..Cheers again & thx for the comment..look forward.
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Cheers Dharmit..very positive of you to say it so honestly..its nice to know that we have exceeded your expectation..we always thrive for the best VFM, not cutting on any corners of, product or flavour..Unfortunately , as far as smokimg is concerned, i have not many options and adhere to the bldg rules too..hope u do come early next time to avoid waiting out , hence leaving the smokers to wallow in their puffs..Cheers again..Regards
Happiness upto 8pm daily and Tulli on Tuesday..Full Day happiness
Hi..thank u for trying us out twice..
1. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
2. Apples r Apples....
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4. Apples to Oranges....How do you compare that !!!
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6.Incase of a power cut in the afternoon, we run on the bldg generator whc does not take the full load,, no such issues in the nite.. Cheers..Enjoy...Chill
Greetings!! U sure do express ur liking well..Thank u once again..See u soon..keep on rockin..tc
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Cheers!! thanks for burrping and hope u keep having good fun @ hidden..we believe there is quite a choice in veggie food at our place,would be glad to suggest some options that maybe overlooked in our menu...look fwd and cheers again!!Rock On!!
Quite spot on!! Cheers..overall seating off 75, also play chic retro and classic rock early wt some new age rock too...loud in the evenings and quite soft during the day wt g8t happiness hours...a must try for kebabs and its famous kheema brun...thank u for ur chilled comments and welcome again soon...regards
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Cheers !! Good friend...pls introduce urself next time...happy days
Rana...its been a while...see u soon wt ur pals and lets rock again...and again...and again....Cheers!! See u Soon..Its a pleasure always..tc
Cheers!! It;s my first for the Food..we never do fry the garlic bread!! Its from the salamander and we do hope u try out some of the more interesting starters and main courses we have among the over 100 choices and am sure you would be delighted..Thank you for the positives and look forward to meeting you...Cheers again!!
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Cheers !! Thank you..Sorry for the snozy service though..would definitely take it up and have a check on it..!! As far as music is concerned, we play rock ..more rock and some retro...kinda music that goes wt the ambiance..hope u like it the second time around..tc and thanks again..
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Knocking around at a gun shop at lunch today, sliding down the 5.56/.223 aisle, and I see a new (to me at least) bright shiny box that caught my eye:
So, the curious crow pauses to contemplate the bright shiny object, and looks at the label -- well, looky here, 5.56 NATO 75 grain BTHP Superformance rounds -- so I snagged it!
And I bring it home, because the crow, well, he just loves his bright and shiny objects...he can't help it.
Looks like a pretty interesting BTHP round, and 75 grains for added penetration -- wonder how the SCAR and SIGs will like this little pocket rocket?

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As a happily childfree woman who intends to stay that way for life, I'm a member of several groups on Facebook where the childfree can get together and discuss the various issues we encounter in a society that still seems to view women who don't wish to reproduce with, at best, suspicion and at worst, outright hostility. One of the discussion topics that seems to come up with regularity is abortion, which is not entirely surprising as pretty much everyone on the group seems to be pro-choice. I don't really see how you could intend to stay childfree for life and not believe in the right to abortion on demand, but anyway. While the majority of commenters tend to be agreed on the need for abortion access, any discussion about it inevitably includes some kind of comment about 'people using abortion as birth control' or 'people who wait 20 weeks then get a late-term abortion'. Firstly, I always wonder why, when it's obviously impossible to legislate to account for all the possible reasons someone might want an abortion, anyone even bothers making a comment such as 'I think it's fine to get abortion if X, Y and Z [the implication being that if you were just let down by your contraception, or raped, or the foetus had serious abnormalities, you somehow are more DESERVING of the abortion] but if you just weren't careful then I don't think you should get one'? Does anyone actually think doctors are going to start asking women for proof that they've 'been careful' or were raped, or aren't just 'using abortion as birth control', and does any pro-choice person actually think that's a desirable state of affairs?
Similarly, the discussion about late-term abortion always seems to involve a similar abandoning of the sense and logic that I would usually expect from pro-choice people. Even though 91% of abortions in the UK are carried out at 13 weeks or less, and abortions are being performed earlier and earlier thanks to better detection rates, there is often a disproportionate focus on later abortions, presumably because the more 'it looks like a baby', the more emotive people tend to get about the issue of terminating a pregnancy. What people tend to forget that, however distasteful they might find the idea of a 6 month old foetus being terminated, UK doctors technically have the right to terminate the foetus right up to the point of birth if the mother's life is actually in danger, so there's no point pretending that, under our law, the foetus' 'right to life' ever trumps the mother's right to live, however developed it is - because as long as it's inside the mother's body, there are always circumstances under which it could still be terminated.
What got me thinking about all this was reading an article from The Times, published in July this year, which described the work of Dr Susan Robinson, who performs abortions at a clinic in New Mexico, where there are no time limits on the gestational age at which abortions can be performed. I was interested to hear someone on the front line respond to those who believe that abortion should be granted to women if they have 'earned' the right through an unfortunate mishap, but not if they had simply been careless, or 'left it too long'. I hear these arguments far too often, even from those who are supposedly pro-choice, and I wonder if they genuinely believe that any woman gets pregnant, sits around for 20 or 24 weeks and then says 'Hey ho, better go see about an abortion'. As someone for whom children are simply not an option, I know that the first inkling of pregnancy would send me straight to the pharmacy to find out the truth, and then straight to the doctor to, as Ellen Page's character puts it in Juno, 'nip it in the bud'. I also know however, that I am a healthy, well-off middle-class woman living in a 1st world country where abortion is available locally, quickly and for free. So it interested me to read some statistics on abortions carried out at 25 weeks and beyond. In a study of 268 cases in the US, Glenna Halvorson-Boyd found that 29 percent of these women had experienced no symptoms of pregnancy - either they still had periods, or had had erratic periods to begin with (I fall into the latter category - the progesterone-only pill Micronor means I don't menstruate, so I do not have any periods to 'miss' in the first place). Another 19 percent were 'overwhelmed by extraordinary circumstances, such as homelessness or drug addiction'. I think even those who wish to 'punish' women for being so 'irresponsible' as to wait 25 weeks to end a pregnancy might think twice about the wisdom of forcing a homeless or heroin-addicted woman to become a mother.
A further 18 percent were told that the foetus was very ill late in pregnancy - another unfortunate aspect of biology that a lot of people forget. Many foetal abnormalities don't show up until the 20 week scan, which means women in 8 American states may have to carry seriously ill foetuses to term, as the law in their states prohibit abortions after 20 weeks. 2 percent of post 25-week abortions were carried out on 'teen athletes who did not menstruate', and 3 percent on women pregnant from rape. Another 3 percent 'had planned to have their baby until their circumstances dramatically shifted (most were abandoned by the man, but one was diagnosed with cancer'. Ever noticed that those who are most disapproving of abortion are also those who tend to have a massive downer on single mothers, deeming them to be the root of most social ills? So I wonder what solution they would advise, if a woman is pregnant and then her partner walks out on her, cheats on her or starts to beat her? Which reminds me - two women out of these 268 'had only been able to reach an abortion provider after escaping from abusive captors'. And in one case 'a pro-life doctor may have intentionally misled the woman', telling her she was not pregnant.
So, not so much a case of pregnant woman sitting on the sofa scoffing Doritos until 6 months have passed, and more a case of factors such as unreliable biology, money, health, life shitting in your lap and male coercion/violence combining together to create a world where late-term abortions are still very much necessary.
However, even if the woman exists who does 'use abortion as birth control' and doesn't take responsibility for her fertility in a way we might like, it's still not for any of us to judge. Either abortion is available to us all for whatever reason, or 'trusting women' means nothing. If we have to be treated like Oliver Twist begging for what is rightfully ours, we cannot call ourselves full or free citizens. Men's reasons for wanting to have a safe, legal medical procedure (a procedure which, in this case, has a risk of death 14 times LOWER than that associated with childbirth) are not questioned or attacked, and neither should women's. As Susan Robinson says, she trusts all the women who come to her "have good reasons... They may not be the reasons that you would need or I would need... But who am I to tell somebody that their story is not good enough?".
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: How to control and define curly and high porous hair?
Hallo curlies,
I have 3c hair which is highly porous and have low elasticity. So it quickly looks like a "pooof" when it dries.
So i need every tip i can get from you sistercurlies
What do exactly you do to minimize porocity and get welldefined and soft curls??
Its useful to know the following when you answer:
-your hairproperties
-your hairtype
-your hairregime
-hairproducts you use
Here are some pictures of my hair:
Hair type/properties:
3c hair, high porosity, mediumdensity, low elasticity, fine hair.
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Combine the modified cg-method (low poo) and a modified tightly curly method.
-Condition and leave in: Aubrey Organics, Giovanni Barzilian keratin and argan oil
-Sealer: shea butter, Argan, olive and coconutoil
-Gel: homemade flaxseed gel, Kinky curly custard, Queen Helene Curl royal shaping creme.


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Receptacle Wiring Question
Hello All,
I have an outlet in my living room that has never worked and I'm trying to replace it myself. I have an outlet tester and when I put it into the outlet, it states "OPEN HOT". I pulled the outlet out of the wall and I noticed that there were 2 white neutral wires, 1 ground wire, and only 1 red hot wire. If you're looking at the back of the outlet, you'd see that there are 4 holes (top left, top right, bottom left and bottom right). I notice that the 2 white neutral wires are connected on the 2 right holes(one in the top and one in the bottom). The one red hot wire is connected in the bottom left hole. There is no second red hot wire. The ground wire is connected where it should be. The fact that there is only 1 red hot wire....do you think that could be the problem? I also notice that there are 2 black wires in the back, but they are twisted together. Any help you could provide, would be appreciated?
Maybe its a switched outlet as for a table lamp when you coming into the room?
Take a look around the room and see if there are any wall switches...
I think sammy is probably right try plugging in your plug tester into the outlet and flipping any nearby switches and see if the plug starts to work.
What they said.:thumbsup:
The black wires back in there are the "hot" part of the circuit. The red wire comes from a switch close by. GENERALLY only 1/2 the outlet is switched but the way you described it the whole thing is switched.
Great suggestion guys....unfortunatley, that didn't fix the issue. What's wierd is that there are 2 other outlets in that same living room area. The others work fine. Any other thoughts?
Is there a switch in this room?
Yes, there are 2 switches in the near vacinity. I've tried both switches as well as switches in other rooms. Nothing seemed to work.
The red wire may take some investigation to find its purpose. If you want to get the outlet working turn the power off and take the black wires apart and connect each to a brass screw of the receptacle take the red and cap it with a wirenut. Make sure the tab isn't broken between the two brass screws as is often done when switching half a receptacle.
The red will have one of two purposes it is the end run of one leg of a shared neutral multiwire or it is supposed to be a switched hot. I would first check the switch boxes in that room to see if there are any capped red wires or any that appear to be unused. Then I would check the other receptacle boxes to see if a red wire is loose in a backstab or disconnected.
You never really know what someone else did - If it were my house I would follow Stubbies advice.
You stated that you had 2 switches in the room that did not turn on the outlet. Did you find out if they did anything at all ?
If they did not do anything - I would suspect this was once a three way that was mis-wired after someone tried to replace a switch.
This is almost certainly a switched receptacle. Do the two switches operate anything. If not one of them may be defective and the the one that operates the receptacle. Tell us about the wiring at the switches.
And move the wires from the pushin holes to the screws. Back stab connections are a very common source of no power do to poor connections.
The two switches in that room, do in fact work. They turn on lights in different parts of the room....sorry I didn't mention that earlier. I will try using the 2 black wires as the hot wires and I will cap the red wire. I removed the old outlet (cosmetically it needed to be replaced) and I installed a new one (it has 8 Back stab holes). Would the backstab connections still be a problem with the new receptacle? I will still place the wires around the screws.
I don't think you have a receptacle with 8 backstabs. What you have is what is called back wired. These are fine to use as you turn the screw and it tightens a compression clamp which secures the wire. I'm sure you know this but it is pretty much a necessity to have a voltage tester/continuity tester combination when tracking unknown wires down if the obvious loose or poor connection isn't found. This 'dead' red wire has to show up somewhere else so if it tests no power at the receptacle using other than a receptacle tester or if connecting it to a screw on the receptacle and still does not work you need to look to see what other receptacle boxes and switch boxes have red wires and make sure they are securely connected or if you find one that isn't being used test the continuity of it with the red wire in the non-working receptacle box to see if they are one and the same. A voltage tester like this below is a must have so you can test for voltage on the wire itself.
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"I was spoiled in the early part of my career in San Jose, because we made the playoffs the first four years I was there, so I got used to that," says Landon Donovan, who won crowns with the old Quakes in 2001 and 2003 before leaving for Germany after the 2004 season and bouncing right back to sign with the Galaxy a few months later.
"Now, having not made it for the three years and the league expanding to make it more difficult each year to get in with more teams, that's how difficult it is. I think the rut we got into was that losing became a habit. Now, this year, winning has become a habit. You realize the kind of things you have to do to be successful. When you don't taste that, you don't really know what it is."
Arena was unable to guide the Galaxy into the playoffs last year, despite Donovan leading the league with 20 goals and earning the Honda Player of the Year Award, named to the outstanding U.S. international, for a fifth time. Yet both Arena and U.S. coach Bob Bradley quietly and firmly advised him that his performance as a player and a leader still lacked something.
Revamping a team that conceded 62 goals and won just eight of 30 games required a lot more from Arena than motivating his most talented player, but the former coach of D.C. United and the U.S. team knew well that much of a team's drive and direction comes through challenges, not chalk talks.
"There are a number of things we had to do but I think the starting point was Landon," said Arena, who took over in August of last year with the Galaxy mired in defeat and beset by bickering. "Once it was obvious that Landon was returning to the L.A. Galaxy [from a loan spell with Bayern Munich], he became our captain, and he accepted a lot of responsibility from our coaching staff and his teammates to make this team better.
"That's part of concentration and commitment on a daily basis. When your best player gives that kind of effort, it carries over to the rest of the team, and the locker room and the training field every day."
Pace, stamina, guile, vision and touch are staples of Donovan's game, yet inconsistency and personal angst have often plagued him. He and actress Bianca Kajlich separated earlier this year, less than three years after their marriage. He underwent therapy to deal with a sporadic, uncomfortable relationship with his father, who abandoned the family when Donovan was very young, only to resurface, very publicly, when his son started blossoming into an incredible player.
Donovan came back to the Galaxy after a failed stint with Bayer Leverkusen in 2005, and despite LA recording the ninth-best record in a 12-team league, it knocked off San Jose, Colorado and New England in the playoffs in a stunning run to a second league title. But then began a dreary carousel of coaches and losing. A lot of losing.
From 2006 to 2008, the Galaxy lost 42 league games, more than any other team, and changed coaches three times before hiring Arena.
"We've had a lot of turnaround in coaches and we had a lot of turnaround in players," recalls Donovan. "To have now Bruce here, who every day makes sure we have a way of doing things, a professional way of doing things, is a starting point, and then having players who follow that lead.
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Arena knows the value of having a strong and determined lead dog, no matter how many others are willing followers. He cut loose underperforming players and stocked his roster with proven pros from other MLS teams, and brought aboard internationals like U.S. defender Gregg Berhalter and Jamaican goalkeeper Donovan Ricketts. He bridged a détente between Donovan and David Beckham by challenging them both to live up to their abilities.
And Arena extracted the one element missing from Donovan's game: consistency, of effort, of performance, of self-evaluation, and of intensity. In a joking reference, Arena said he'd counseled Donovan and Beckham a la Dr. Phil, but away from the TV cameras. Seeing as how Donovan and Beckham's snarky critiques of each other had been widely disseminated, that course made sense. Arena got the process moving and let his captain, and the former captain, do the rest.
"Sometimes it's hard to look at yourself in an honest way, whether it's good or bad," says Donovan. "Sometimes people say you had a bad day and you can look at yourself and say, 'You know, I gave it everything I had.' I don't need to listen to that. Other times people say, 'You were great,' and if you can look at yourself honestly and say, 'That wasn't my best, I can do more,' that's important.
"Being aware for me has made all the difference. It doesn't mean I'm perfect, but I'm learning what my role is as a soccer player, I'm learning what my role is as a person in life, and I'm trying to get better at both of those things."


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Wednesday, February 21, 2007
Paper or Plastic?
Today's topic: Random House is neither random nor a house. Discuss. (just kidding)
Actually, today's topic involves technology.
For many years now the publishing industry has been waiting for the e-book format to take off, believing that technological innovations in other entertainment venues would make that whole paper thing obsolete. So far it hasn't -- e-books still represent a tiny fraction of overall book sales, and the vast majority of book sales are still of the ink and paper variety.
But things are changing. Slowly. The audiobook market, for instance, has seen significant growth in downloadable audio. And this past fall Sony rolled out its Sony Reader, a digital book thingamajig that is readable from all angles, even in the sun, and can hold like a gajillion books. E-books haven't taken off, but as the technology improves, will we prize convenience over tradition?
So...... IN THIS CORNER, weighing in at nine ounces is Plastic, the "Digital Demon." The thingamajig contains every book that you've ever wanted to read in your entire life. The screen is as readable as paper, displaying crisp graphics that are readable in any light (including darkness). No more lugging around books. No more booklights. No more hurting your shoulder carrying textbooks. It's light, it's portable, it's convenient. It's like the iPod, only with books. Is it the future?
And IN THIS CORNER, weighing in at, uh, lots of pounds, is Paper, aka "Papryus From King Cyrus." It makes you feel like you've accomplished something when you've turned the pages. You can fill up a bookshelf, use it as a paperweight, cut out the pages to hide a small pickaxe so you can crawl through a river of shit and come out clean on the other side. Is old new again?
Who. Will. Win.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
54 comments:
- Conduit said...
I'm as techie as they come, I love all things computery and gadgety, but I still prefer to read the old-fashioned way, particularly if it's of any length. I do think things will change, but the technology isn't there yet.
When I post short stories on my blog (go on, click my name and read one - you know you want to!) I make them as easy to read as possible (dark text against a light background but not harsh black on white, properly indented paragraphs, a readable font) but I know I'd still rather see them on paper.
It's not just the words being on paper that makes the difference, mind you. Reading a book is a tactile experience, as well as a visual and cerebral one. Remember, most ordinary readers think of 'books' not 'novels' - it's the physical thing in their hands they describe, not the content of it. Maybe that will change as younger people take up reading in other formats - they won't miss the cosy feel of warm paper and card n their hands.
When technology catches up, which I'm sure it will, and finds a way to replace the tactile aspect lost to electronic media, then I think we'll see a change.
PS - Notice how I didn't mention the whole aspect of reading on the throne. I'm much too refined to bring that up.
- February 21, 2007 at 2:16 PM
Paper will never die.
Sure, we'll see technologies like the thingermaggiger come and go, but books have sentimental value. They're here to stay.
- February 21, 2007 at 2:33 PM
Gimme a book every time. I do enough reading on gadgets. I need down time on my eyes, and paper provides that.
Plus, I don't know what I'd do with the space if I didn't have books to fill it up.
- February 21, 2007 at 2:39 PM
Given a choice, I prefer books. There's something very pleasing about them lined up on the bookshelf. But then, if I were going on holiday or travelling around a lot, I wouldn't take a lot of persuading to take an electronic thingamajig with me. I read fast and being able to carry more than 3 or 4 books with me would be fantastic.
- February 21, 2007 at 3:13 PM
Tick-tock, tick-tock. Paper will become as obsolete as typewriters--it's only a matter of time.
Paper is too expensive, too bulky, too slow to transfer and process. And these issues will affect our writing--it already has.
Start with the action, pepper in the backstory, etc., etc. We're writing for immediate attention, which coincides with the attention span of the electronic age.
Writers may prefer paper, however, readers aren't liking it as much as they used to. We'd better learn to take advantage of a paperless environment or we'll become obsolete little buggars.
- February 21, 2007 at 3:25 PM
- Bernita said...
There's just one problem with the whole electronic future.
You are lost without power and/or batteries.
You can both read and write by candlelight.
- February 21, 2007 at 3:38 PM
- Scott said...
Ah, a subject close to my heart. Here's the thing: by day, I'm a mild-mannered technical writer. More than ten years ago, the company I work for, despite the screams from customers, switched from delivering paper manuals to delivering our manuals--still in a book paradigm--on the Web.
And it worked, after the initial shock wore off. It worked so well, in fact, that a few years ago when we listened to the few customers who still complained and made our manuals available through a POD publisher, so few people bought the that we stopped offering them. The Web is seen as faster, easier to keep up to date, and whatever else people like about it.
But should regular books go the same way? No. I love reading on my laptop, in short doses. Small chunks of info work great electronically, whether it's a small chunk of a manual, a (really) short story, a poem, a blog entry, a newspaper article, and so on.
I can't stand trying to read an e-book, or anything longer than,say, ten pages or so. My brain engages differently looking at a screen than it does looking at a page. Even though an e-book or other electronic document makes it easy to keep notes, mark text, find text, and all those kinds of thins, it's just plain hard to read for any length of time.
Maybe someday they'll develop an e-book reader that isn't backlit and doesn't cause eye strain (and maybe they already have), but I think it will take much longer for the human brain to process words on a screen the same way as on paper. It's just not cozy.
Audiobooks are a whole 'nuther story. They're a great innovation. They don't try to replace books. They just try to make books accessible in new ways. It's hard to read a book while jogging or driving (though that guy I see on the road occasionally hasn't figured that out yet). It's not much easier to read a book in the bad lighting of a plane or train.
I haven't jumped on the Audiobook bandwagon in anything like a big way, but if I were going to take a long drive alone, I'd get a couple from the library. But even then, I'd have to find something "light" or familiar. I can't pay attention to a book the same way if listening as I do when reading.
On the other hand, we're conditioned to listening to others read to us from an early age, so it can be entertaining and even comforting, and as writers we can listen to the sounds of the words and get something we don't pick up as well off a page.
To rank the three media, paper's number one. Audio is a distant second, and electronic is two states behind me. (And I live in the west, where states are big.) Electronic makes a comeback moves up to second for very short works, news (I get most of my news online now rather than from newspapers, depite being a newspaper guy for a while) or reference material presented in small chunks.
And that was long. Sorry.
- February 21, 2007 at 3:38 PM
- Scott said...
Oh, one more thing books have going for them, at least for serious readers, writers, and the like: We love displaying our books. We can't walk into a room in somebody else's house without examining the bookshelves. Our bookshelves are an accurate reflection of our Selves, and we judge other people pretty accurately by what we see on *their* shelves.
And it's not just the titles and types of books. Are the shelves dusty? Dust isn't a bad thing for a reader, but dusty in what way? Does it look like the books have been untouched for years, or does the dust show clearly that books are frequently pulled off the shelves and looked at?
If I walk into somebody's house in the (probably not-so-distant) future, am I going to have find some sneaky way to get a peak on what they have on their e-reader to figure out what kind of a person they are?
- February 21, 2007 at 3:47 PM
- whoisbenji said...
Technology sux.
Paper owns.
- February 21, 2007 at 3:48 PM
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- February 21, 2007 at 3:48 PM
While I am all in favor of battery operated devices in the bedroom, ebooks are NOT in my night table drawer, nor will they be. Paper please.
- February 21, 2007 at 3:50 PM
- Christopher M. Park said...
I think that the publishers will do whatever is cheapest that they can get away with. Not to be down on the publishers, that's just good business sense. Right now, making e-books is not a primary way to make money--but if a lot of people start valuing that convenience, we'll see more and more ebooks. Perhaps less and less bookstores.
I don't look forward to this. I think that ebooks could be wonderfully convenient for travel... but on the other hand, when I travel I don't tend to read more than a book or two. I mean, if I was going to read the entire time I'm on a trip, I might as well have just stayed home.
Plus, both my wife and I like to collect books. We have three full bookcases double-stacked with books, more books in the closet of our guest bedroom, and more books on some smaller bookcases in various rooms. We really need to get another large bookcase sometime this year. There's just something about having a "library" of books... it's an indefinable good quality of the paper variety.
I'm a programmer by day, and a lot of my job centers around helping companies go paperless. So you'd think I'd be one of the first to want to do the same with fiction. Not so. Communication by paper is definitely antiquated and wasteful, in my opinion--and that's largely because it is fleeting. This is a perfect opportunity for recycling if I've ever seen one--not to mention that it's then much easier and cheaper to manage those "living documents" that are getting Fedexed all over the country.
But that's the impermanent stuff. Books are supposed to be a little more permanent than that, and I think a lot of people treasure those indefinable aspects of having a physical book in their hands.
But if the majority isn't with me, and e-books become a standard just-as-good alternative... I guess I'll be one of those mail-ordering books from the publisher. Or buying my own little POD machine, or something (to be invented later). I guess I could really see this whole thing going either way in the long term, but I certainly hope that paper hangs around.
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- February 21, 2007 at 3:57 PM
- Nathan Bransford said...
Wow -- really really great responses everyone.
I asked this question over in the myspace comment section (one of these days the Myspace comment section and Blogger comment section will have to play Red Rover or something):
Do you think people are more attached to books (the physical objects) than they are to their record collections? Because I never would have thought that I would have given up displaying my CDs, but now I have an iPod.
- February 21, 2007 at 4:11 PM
- RED STICK WRITER said...
Though I aspire to be a published novelist, I have for decades supported myself as a banker. Talk of a "checkless society" started in the late Seventies. When it didn't come after a number of years, the term was softened to "less-check society." Just in the last few years, banking has finally experienced a reduction of substance. What substance? Why, paper dust, of course.
I suspect that we will ultimately see a significant shift toward reading through new technologies. It will happen faster the reduction of check volumes. The same wave of technology enables both, and the number of adapters in the population continues to grow.
Even so, nicely bound volumes will continue to say something about the owner of the shelf. Besides, I'd prefer that our literature, serious and recreational, be maintained in forms not susceptible to the effects of sunspots and other phenomena, natural and created.
- February 21, 2007 at 4:17 PM
- Christopher M. Park said...
I definitely think people are more attached to books than their CDs. I don't have an ipod, but the first thing I do with all my CDs is rip them to disk on my computer. It's just so much more convenient of a way to listen to the music, and I'm at my computer most of the day, so that works out. I still have all my CDs, of course, but they're in a big box in the closet.
Maybe part of the difference is that you spend a lot of time handling the book, and looking right at it (you know... reading), whereas the same is not true with a CD. You put it in a player of some variety, and then you don't even look at the player while the music is playing. The net result is truly the same, and there's not much tactile difference between an ipod and an older CD player.
Plus, we listen to music repetitively, and it only lasts about an hour at best per CD. So you need to be able to have a hojillion CDs on hand just to have some variety, whereas it takes even speed-reading agents like Nathan so much longer than that to read a full book. We don't particularly need much variety, unless we're planning to get shipwrecked on an island for a few years (with batteries).
I can certainly see the points of comparison, but I really think these are two different animals.
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- February 21, 2007 at 4:21 PM
- Nathan Bransford said...
That's an interesting point about the repetive listening thing. What's funny is that most people seem more attached to their books than their CDs, and yet we only read most books once!
- February 21, 2007 at 4:24 PM
- RED STICK WRITER said...
How many of your CDs, Nathan, were bound in leather with goldleaf lettering? Oh, and when can we expect your picture on this blog to change from a pose in front of an impressive collection of books to a pose in front of an iPod or a Sony Reader? I'll bet the rest of the kids in the Peanut Gallery will agree that you should remain posed with the books.
- February 21, 2007 at 4:33 PM
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- February 21, 2007 at 4:34 PM
- Dave said...
I am planning to transfer over 300 music CD's to an IPOD this summer.
And I will buy the special turntable to transfer the rare Vinyl recordings I own after that.
If E-Books can be marketed for writing the way IPOD is marketed for music, then E-Books will be a success. Not until.
- February 21, 2007 at 4:40 PM
- Conduit said...
Nathan - I don't think the iPod analogy really applies. The experience of listening to music is very different from that of reading a book. Most of us are used to doing other things while listening to music, and we're used to our focus moving back and forth between the song and the other activity. We can work, drive, jog, do the dishes or any of number of things while listening to music and, through radio, we're used to getting it in small doses that we can drift in and out of.
The Walkman was the successful ancestor of the iPod - but does anyone remember the Watchman? Apart from Rain Man, of course. It didn't succeed where the Walkman did simply because we don't experience TV the same way. Likewise, we don't experience the written word the same way.
Having said that, I do believe we'll see a change - when technology catches up.
- February 21, 2007 at 4:42 PM
- Shannon said...
Okay, I'm coming in late here but I just have to comment. "No more lugging around books"????? That will be a sad day. Books become more than the words, paper and glue they're made of. And besides, we think it's hard to make a living as a writer now. What happens when someone can buy an e-book for five bucks and email it to a hundred people with the click of a mouse. You can only share a real book with one person at a time.
- February 21, 2007 at 4:46 PM
- dan said...
Books have some inherent advantages. * You can open two or four or ten books before you and cross-reference, easily, just glancing your eye around. Can't do that with ten books on one e-reader.
* you can thumb through a book very quickly--if you're looking for something on page 25 and want to compare it to something on page 150, you can stick your fingers in between the pages, go back and forth, back and forth.
These points apply more to non-fiction, technical stuff than to novels, I guess. And that's (ironically?) where I'd guess e-books have the most utility, because if you're a student, lugging around one e-book is easier than 10 textbooks. So who knows.
As for novels, or any books read for entertainment, I think regular books will stick around for a long, long time. The best e-book in the world will probably not be as easy on the eyes as paper and ink. Also, there is something, I think, to the flipping of pages, to the looking ahead to see if you're one page or ten pages away from a section or chapter break, to the actual *feel* of getting nearer and nearer the end of the book. I don't think this has to do with a person's age (I'm not that old, 27) or how techie they are or not (I have an electrical engineering degree--I am not a luddite). Eventually e-books will maybe become dominant, but I think it's going to be a long time and frankly they'll only take over when most people most of the time simply enjoy using them more than they enjoy using books. And if that actually happens, then goodbye to books--don't hold on to the past for its own sake. :)
- February 21, 2007 at 5:07 PM
I don't have a problem, in theory, with e-books, especially if they could be downloaded to a handheld device that could be taken wherever I like to read, but I have a major problem staring at a computer screen for as long as it takes to read a novel. I'm only nineteen, so it's not an age thing, but it gives me a serious headache to gaze at a computer screen for that long, with that much concentration.
Personally, I do prefer physical books for the tactile pleasure; there is something delicious about the smell of an old, well-cared-for book. Plus the possessive pleasure of looking over a bookshelf with all the books I love (and not just novels---I prize my 1987 Roget's thesaurus).
- February 21, 2007 at 5:20 PM
- kd said...
I could never give up books. I like the way they look, the way they feel, and the way they smell. I just can't get that from a screen.
- February 21, 2007 at 5:23 PM
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I've said it before here I think, that I prefer my short stories online and my books on paper. You'll never hear me badmouth either one, since I'm an editor at an ezine and the proud "caretaker" of thousands of books. (Here in Boulder, we are "guardians" of our dogs, not "owners" and since I figure most of my books will outlast me...)
Music. Hmm. I have about half my music on my Ipod, and I use the thing all the time, but my CDs live happily side by side with my books, and I use them all the time too. My stereos at home and in the car so far outweighs the sound on my ipod, there's no contest. And yeah, I play both media on my stereos, and yeah, I can tell the difference between a CD and Ipod.
I do think the e-pub market will take off in the following years, and I think it's only a good thing. There's been an explosion of good online magazines to send work to, and when the market opens up for novels it could be a great thing. There's nothing sadder to me than an unpublished, good writer. Unfortunately, the print guys just can't take everyone on. Population grows, technology improves, opportunity abounds. It's all good.
But, as long as there's libraries, I'll still read novels on paper.
- February 21, 2007 at 5:31 PM
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- Rob Brooks said...
I love books--I love reading big heavy books, I love displaying my books, whether it's a good copy or a beat up copy I found at the Goodwill. If it's a book I like, I want people to see it and know I have it.
I also have a large CD and vinyl collection, and I still display those, even though I have put them all onto my computer and/or Ipod. If I buy a song from Itunes, I'll still buy the album if I like all of it, because I like to ahve the hard copy.
However, I think I could really get into e-books as well, if I had a digital reader thing. The technology ahs a ways to go yet--maybe someday they'll make a digital reader/Ipod combo so I can listen to digital music while reading a digital book.
- February 21, 2007 at 7:15 PM
- Maya Reynolds said...
Two comments from my blog in recent months:
The AAP (Assoc. of American Publishers) recently reported on net book sales for 2006.
E-books were up 24.1% while audiobooks were down 11.7%.
Keep in mind that the relative numbers are not equal. The reason e-books are posting such dramatic gains is that their overall numbers are still small. Even so, the double digit growth has been going on for a decade.
However, there is another trend worth noting. School districts are beginning to look at replacing traditional textbooks with e-books.
It's not a big movement; so far it's only a few school districts, but these are the reasons cited:
1) E-books are easier to update
2) Rapid district growth. Ordering texts can take months. An e-book can be loaded in hours.
3) Cost: It's about 50% the cost of buying a book in hardback, which allows districts to buy the laptops students need.
Kids today are quite comfortable doing everything on a small screen. Many don't have the loyalty to books expressed on this comment trail.
What will make the e-book market explode is a viable reading device. I don't think the Sony Reader is there yet. It was too expensive for one thing ($350), it does not read all formats and, at least when it was released, you had to go to Sony's CONNECT site to buy books for it.
I'm waiting to see what happens when Amazon releases its Kindle. Rumor has it that it will be truly affordable (under $100).
- February 21, 2007 at 7:16 PM
As a YA librarian in a small town, thought I'd share that our budgets will begin to include monies for downloadable books. All 28 library computers are ready for them and patrons are already asking about this sort of technology.
In addition, books on CD are circulating very well in both fiction and nonfiction.We encumber more money every year for recorded books.
While libraries will always have books, they are embracing new ways of transmitting information. Our library subscribes to over 47 databases. Not having to find the funds or space for hundreds of magazines/newspapers is wonderful.
- February 21, 2007 at 7:42 PM
- Nathan Bransford said...
Maya and Anon--
Thanks so much for that info! Very very interesting.
- February 21, 2007 at 8:15 PM
- Simon Haynes said...
Paper books have a history and permanence you'll never get from ebooks.
I picked up a 1970s paperback the other day which was dedicated to the memory of the author's daughter, who was kidnapped 'years earlier' and hadn't been seen since.
When I checked Google I found a press clipping from the 90's reporting that the author had been reunited with his long-lost daughter.
What kind of ebook gives you real life stories like that? What 2007 ebook is going to be pulled from a dusty shelf in 2037 for a quick read?
Even looking at the price on the back of a 30-year-old book gives me a smile. 50c new? Or even prices in Deutschmarks and Pesetas - both of them now consumed by the Euro.
Books aren't just about the story - they're also time capsules. Humanity doesn't want to lose its history thanks to a random hard disk crash or some DRM mixup.
- February 21, 2007 at 8:38 PM
I, too, am a gadget freak of the highest order, but have yet to see any device that's confortably readable under all, or nearly all, conditions. I still like paper and ink, but have grown to really enjoy audiobooks - especially when read by the author.
Also, I re-read favorite books and always pick up something I've missed previously.
Good topic, Nathan.
- February 21, 2007 at 9:09 PM
- Michelle Zink said...
Great blog, great topic!
For me it's really simple;
Sure there's fast food out there.
Even fast, healthy food.
Fast, healthy food that looks nice and comes packed in uber-streamlined, food-packaging-as-art boxes and bags.
Fast food with a portion of the profit donated to a worthwhile charity.
Save-the-pandas fast food.
But it's still not the same as cooking a real meal from scratch in your own kitchen and then sitting down with a good bottle of red, you know?
There might be times when it's convenient to order out, but in the end, I think people will always come back to the comforts of home.
- February 21, 2007 at 10:03 PM
I noticed a weird thing back in grad school. I could get most scientific papers online, but if they had real substance to them, I had to print them out to read them. I could not comprehend the words as easily if I was reading them off a screen.
The hypothetical plastic do-hickey sounds wonderful, but it would really have to be as good as paper before I'd spend (undoubtedly a lot of) money on it.
And even then, books I really liked, I'd want a bound copy of. I feel nervous having all my photos in digital form, and I'd feel nervous having books I cherished in digital form. Data is delicate and can be lost in a heartbeat. A book is much harder to destroy.
However, I can see myself taking a chance on more new authors, if I had the do-hickey. There's just something about a virtual book that seems more disposable; I'd feel less ripped off if I didn't enjoy it, 'cause it's only electrons and thus easily deleted.
- February 21, 2007 at 11:02 PM
- Kim Stagliano said...
I have a children's story book from 1932 on my bookshelf. In it is a beautiful bookplate from the Concord Public Library in Mass. And dozens of stamps from when the book was borrowed from the 1930's -1960's. I bought the book at a store in Florida as a kid in the 70's. Even then I LOVED knowing that kids forty years earlier had read that book. Books have histories, they travel, they have the DNA of their readers on every page (that could be an "eew" moment though) and I wouldn't trade them for electronic, cold, gadgets. I pick up my own childhood favorites and remember my small hands turning the pages, reading all safe and snug in my bed. Books are so much more than just words!
- February 21, 2007 at 11:09 PM
What's funny is that most people seem more attached to their books than their CDs, and yet we only read most books once!
See, soooo different story here. If I don't read the book more than once, it sucked. Almost all of my books have been read and reread until the spines show all the wear. I can't pick up an electronic book and open it to a random page and start reading again.
Are they more addicted to books than CD's? Yes. Think of it this way: hours of entertainment. CD's only hold a short amount, relatively, like an hour or so per CD. Books, depending on the person, can hold hours to days to months per book.
Portability: IPods allow for large amounts of entertainment, but they're expensive, and it takes time to download music and such. Books? Cheap and portable. Electronic readers? Portable, yes. Cheap? No.
Plus, there's the snob factor. Books are visibly books. Electronic readers look too much like PDAs or something, and who want to look like that on the bus or plane? It's a book, darn it. It screams "Look at me! I actually READ for entertainment!" *grin*
- February 21, 2007 at 11:27 PM
- Simon Haynes said...
Kim - same here. I bought a first edition 1950s SF novel from a book dealer in the UK and when it arrived I found a 1950s bill for motorcycle repairs & parts tucked inside the back cover. Pounds, shillings and pence no less.
I could so easily picture the motorbike-loving youth sitting down to read this same book 50 years earlier.
Electronic data has no past and no nostalgia. Until Nathan's blog post I hadn't realised just how much I appreciate real live books.
- February 22, 2007 at 12:17 AM
- Alex Fayle said...
Until an eBook can be safely read in the bath, I'll stick with paper thanks.
- February 22, 2007 at 1:36 AM
- Alex Fayle said...
I'll weigh in on the hoarding books thing - as a professional organizer, many of my clients has a book addiction. I used to have one!
The thing about books and anything printed is that the process of printing adds inherent value to something for some people - even sales flyers.
But books add an extra value to the person - if you walk into a home and see lots of books, you're going to think the person is smart. And despite 18 years of Bart Simpson, people like to be thought of as smart.
CDs have no cachet like that. So sure, go ahead and transfer your music to your MP3 player, but I doubt most people will ever give up their smartness by getting rid of their books.
- February 22, 2007 at 1:45 AM
- December Quinn said...
I'd like to be able to do both. My bookshelves are overflowing. I'd love to be able to get rid of some of them--the falling-apart paperbacks, the books I don't read as often--and store them in an e-reader. It would be great to have three bookcases instead of five (with books stacked all over the house, too), and to have the books on them be books I really love. I'd love to be able to take a trip and bring 150 books with me instead of just four or five.
But I never want to give up my paper books completely, for all the reasons mentioned here.
I write ebooks so I have to say I like them, and honestly I do. I just wish someone would invent a really good ereader, paperback size, with all the features I want.
- February 22, 2007 at 3:43 AM
- December Quinn said...
BTW, Nathan, I don't agree at all that people only read books once. I can only think of a couple of my books that I read only once.
- February 22, 2007 at 3:44 AM
- Anne-Marie said...
I think it's harder on the eyes for me to read electronically, and since one of my favourite haunts for leisurely reading is the bath, it has to be paper. I wonder if the public library has realised that I am the crumpled pages culprit.
CD to iPod wasn't a big leap for me, but I do miss the beautiful big layout of old LP covers. I still have mine.
Great topic, Nathan!
- February 22, 2007 at 8:16 AM
- Demon Hunter said...
I prefer paper; technology is evil. Just read Stephen King's, Cell.
Paper is easier on the eyes. I do not want to read an entire novel on my computer or some other gadget. I agree with Bernita, we can read and write by candlelight, or in the daylight even. People freak out when their power is out.
- February 22, 2007 at 9:34 AM
- ERozanski said...
Another aspect to consider regarding ebooks and libraries....YA librarian again...
Libraries have only so much shelf space. We weed our collections on a regular basis and books are discarded due to poor circulation as well as condition. Older titles have to be purged to make room for the new titles.
Books that are plain worn out need to be pitched. Patrons don't want to see someone else's coffee stains(or worse) on a book they are borrowing. This often means that backlist books are absent from the collection. For example, our libray doesn't have every book Stephen King has written.
Being able to have "Christine" in ebook format would be a nice compromise.
A major obstacle to adding ebooks is going to be availability. As it is now, our jobber, Baker and Taylor, doesn't have everything I'd like to order. Neither does Recorded Books. This often means we have gaps in series and very frustrated readers.
- February 22, 2007 at 10:21 AM
Good topic, Nathan.
My name is Jan. I am a readaholic.
A book a day type readaholic. Withdrawal symptoms set in if I don't have an unread book somewhere in the house, waiting its turn to carry me away.
But I am not a keeper of books. Once I read them, I set them free for someone else to enjoy. Otherwise, I would be buried by my accumulated books.
I would be happy to have a well-stocked book reader, and comfortable using it. But still, I hope I never see the day that e-books become the only medium publishers use.
Why? Because I can barely support my habit now, haunting library sales, and thrift shops for cast-off gems. Somehow, I can't envision finding e-books the same way.
The day publishers go paperless is the day I check into rehab.
- February 22, 2007 at 11:57 AM
- Heatheness said...
I predict it'll be a hundred years before e-books and e-readers outnumber paper, and another hundred before they overwhelmingly dominate. The growth of e-reading reflects the growing number of tech-savvy, Millennial generation readers. But they're a small generation, and so that growth will eventually slow and plateau, while audio and large-print will continue along *its* growth trajectory beside all the trends enjoyed by the demographically giant Boomer and X generations. These older generations of readers still buying paper books will maintain buying power until, frankly, they're gone, and their book-appreciating (if not book-loving) children and grandchildren are gone, too.
Meanwhile, where the Millennials can influence publishing with their preferences and parity, they will. First it'll be (and already is) their journalism media, their textbooks, ever-increasing amounts of non-fiction and the literature that is not in novel form (short stories, poetry, novellas), and then, finally, novels.
The Boomers and the Generation X, though, still have some influential contributions in store for publishing's bottom line. They may finally crack the code on how to make wood/paper recycling highly profitable and thus provide publishers with long-term competitive paper vendors; or maybe they'll farm massive fast-growth forests, dedicated to publishing fulfillment. Authors and publishers may even agree to let book design go the way of the French, with their plain paper covers that depict no artwork and just the facts (title author and publisher), in order to offset losses in marketshare/profits related to the presence of e-books.
I think these sorts of actions would significantly slow the slide of paper into obsolesence. But when e-readers can satisfy nearly all the readers, that'll be it for paper. After all, just because we still CAN chisel letters into clay tablets doesn't mean we do.
- February 22, 2007 at 12:01 PM
- brian_ohio said...
I believe our Blog host has a thing for Linda Richmond. Hmmmm.
Nathan... found this in my local paper yesterday. I think it fits the discussion quite well. Course... I have been wrong once before.
"Library visitors make record numbers"
For all those gloomers and doomers who said the Internet would make a library obsolete, the Akron-Summit County Library has news for you. Over 5.3 million items were borrowed from the library in 2006, an 8 percent increase from 2005 and a record breaking year. An unprecedented 3 million people visited 18 library locations, with 1 million visiting the Main Branch.
A record 130,517 young people attended programs at the library, an increase of 57 percent from before the library's building program began. The number of items borrowed has increased 43 percent and building vistiors are up 64 percent since that date
-story ends there-
I, for one, go to the library more often than I ever have in the past.
- February 22, 2007 at 1:07 PM
- adrienne said...
Books are pretty. And the only reason I bought all 13 of the Lemony Snickett books was because of how they looked (otherwise I could have just as easily taken them out of the library).
I really think that writers and readers alike are quite romantic. People always say these days that not as many people read anymore, whatever. The people who do read like the tradition of it. THe coziness of it. I think e-books may bring more readers into the fold, but books will never go away. They may die down for a while as new technology excites the masses. But they will always come back.
I visited the National Library in New York last week. So beautiful. So romantic. No, books aren't going anywhere.
- February 22, 2007 at 2:11 PM
- Robin L. said...
Books will win this war. I'm a techie, early adopter person and I've gladly traded in my cd's for my iPod. But, there's a huge difference between reading on the screen and reading on the page.
I love my computer, love my screen, but I wouldn't read a book there ever. It's so much easier on the eyes to read on a page, plus, it feels like recreation, not work.
- February 22, 2007 at 2:52 PM
- Lisa said...
One thing that's only been alluded to so far is the preservation of our culture with respect to the speed at which technology changes.
If someone presents me a book from 1600, I know what it is, what to do with it, and with a bit of linguistic help, I can extract the information that the book holds. The basic technology hasn't changed.
Hand a 5 1/4" floppy disk to an eleven-year old, and he'll look at you like you're an idiot. Chances are, he's never seen one, and I bet neither of you has the means to extract its information. And that's just one generation removed.
Anyone still have a Betamax machine? What if certain movies were ONLY released in that format? See where I'm going here?
Four hundred years from now, the function of a book will be more transparent than that of a little plastic box, even if they hold the exact same information.
And in the short term, yeah, I agree with all the other arguments of the pro-book camp.
- February 22, 2007 at 2:58 PM
- Indie Young said...
mbMs. Calendar: Honestly, what is it about them that bothers you so much?
Giles: The smell.
Ms. Calendar: Computer's don't smell, Rupert.
Giles: I know! Smell is the most powerful trigger to the memory there
is. A certain flower or a, a whiff of smoke can bring up experiences...
long forgotten. Books smell. Musty and, and, and, and rich. The
knowledge gained from a computer, is, uh, it... it has no, no texture,
no, no context. It's, it's there and then it's gone. If it's to last,
then, then the getting of knowledge should be, uh, tangible, it should
be, um... smelly.
Yes I am a nerd for quoteing Buffy the Vampire Slayer in a debate, but honestly it's true. Reading from a screen and reading from a page are two entirely different things. I think the two worlds are going to continue to exsist together, with printed media always being the favored.
- February 22, 2007 at 4:55 PM
Once OLED screens are common I think it is feasible that ebooks will replace paper books. It will take a while though.
That said, I personally prefer paper books (from now on simply books). As long as I am around I do not expect the book market to change too drastically. (And I am only eighteen by the way.)
The other day I picked up the Arabian Nights in German from a garage sale, just because it looked cool: both the outside cover and the inside type. That is special. Just because of such experiences I would like to say that books would never become obsolete. However, since there are numerous things in history that have become obsolete through someone or another's crazy ideas, I would not bet on that.
Maybe they will end up like Tall Ships, treasured as a memory of the past. Forgotten though? I think not. Not for a long while anyway.
- February 23, 2007 at 12:25 AM
Let me advance a few brief hypotheses.
One: An innovation will "catch on" when it constitutes an
overwhelming advance whose utility is instantly recognized
and adopted. Perhaps tubeless tyres fall into this category.
So far, plastic (electronic) books have not.
Two: The innovation immediately ascends to the level of status
symbol, so that to be "in" you gotta have one. In a world
where the latest technojunk is as ubiquitous (and discardable)
as cigarette butts, there seems little chance of plastic books
becoming the norm any time soon.
Third: The generation divide seems to be a catalyst. Remember the
footage of China in the 1970s? The streets were full of old and
middle-aged people on bicycles. Check today's footage. The bikes
are nearly gone and the streets are clogged with cars. The advance
of the youth, inoculated with the machine, may be what changes the
preference for paper to plastic.
I hope not. I like books. I don't have to plug them in anywhere;
they never "crash" on me, and I can paste notes into the flyleaf.
Carl Hoffmeyer
- February 24, 2007 at 1:30 AM
- writtenwyrdd said...
I have tried ebooks while travelling. My PDA ran out of juice and I was stuck halfway through the book. Annoying. Paper is bulky but it isn't going to become unusable when your plane is stuck on a runway for 3 hours or when you want to go camping.
Besides, except for my 17" screen, reading electronically drives me crazy because I can't see both pages. Call it a psychological impediment, but it's mine and I like books best and always will.
- February 26, 2007 at 2:13 PM


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How long do unsecured creditors have to make a claim on the Estate after notice to creditors is published in Texas
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City okays Agoura Village plan
'They are allowed to build,' one council member says
The Agoura Hills City Council has unanimously approved the Agoura Village Specific Plan, a long-range planning document that sets the stage for development of an eclectic town center south of the 101 Freeway.
Despite the city's favorable vote, residents came out in numbers to protest the development.
Issues of increased traffic, pedestrian safety, a proposed traffic roundabout, damage to the environment and the possibility of 45foot-high businesses and residential units have many residents worried. Council members tried to quell their concerns by putting the plan under further scrutiny.
Supporters hope the proposed 135-acre mixed use development near Kanan, Agoura and Cornell roads will offer a unique alternative to the traditional shopping mall-as-town-center approach to urban planning.
According to city officials, Agoura Village is intended to be developed over time and will incorporate a variety of entertainment venues, retail shops, restaurants, office space and residential living, including small loft units above businesses.
The village will be linked with park trails and there's even a plan for an equestrian center. In one scenario, the Zuma Ridge trail would be linked to the existing equestrian trail on Agoura Road.
The 580,000 square feet of retail space allowed by the village would only be a little over half of what the city's current General Plan allows.
"This is a planning document; (it) restricts development," Councilmember Dan Kuperberg said. "People own the property and they are allowed to build."
Still, many residents at the meeting were concerned about the impact of 293 residential units. Mike Kamino, Agoura Hills' director of planning and community development, said the city is legally obligated to build affordable housing in the part of the village slated as a redevelopment zone.
Opponents also complained about what they call a loophole allowing developers an extra 10 feet in height on their buildings if they provide a "bonus" to the city. For instance, if a developer offers to build horse trails, restore creeks, provide trolleys to Agoura Village or donate public art to the city, their project could be up to 10 feet higher than the normal 35-foot building limit.
Agoura Hills resident Pat MacGregor said she fears that many developers will take advanage of the 45-foot building option.
"The intention was to go up, not out," said Erik Justesen of RRM Design Group.
Traffic jam
Mary Wiesbrock of Save Open Space President Mary Wiesbrock said the plan would increase traffic by 17,593 car trips per day. She called for the build-out to be reduced by one-third.
Councilmember Bill Koehler pointed out that the General Plan allows the same number of new car trips per day as Agoura Village.
Councilmember John Edelston said the city is moving away from a "hodge podge" type of development with the new plan, but he was concerned about parking.
Malibou Lake resident Beatrice Tesdolpf worried about how the development would affect evacuation during an emergency.
"With 17,000 more cars, how are we going to be able to escape?" Tesdolpf asked.
Joan Yacovone, former Mayor of Agoura Hills, called for a decrease in the density of the project, and didn't believe that the proposed roundabout, or traffic circle, was safe for pedestrians.
Agoura resident Steve Hess asked the city council to pause and "take a breath."
"You can do a good job on this-it's just not ready yet," Hess said.
Councilmember Harry Schwarz said all of the public comments are being "taken to heart."
Protecting business
"Obviously the city has been in desperate need for a town center for some time," said Louis Masry, president of the Agoura/Oak Park/ Conejo Valley Chamber of Commerce. Masry said the Chamber
mainly wants the development's retail element to be unique. To protect the area's business community, he prefers fewer chain stores.
Masry also said the Chamber doesn't like the idea of a sound wall near Roadside Drive since it would affect views from the freeway.
Masry called for free parking in the village. And he hopes the village will provide an opportunity to address facade changes on businesses located elsewhere of the city.
He believes the city's decision on Agoura Village opens the door for other developments where traffic has been a concern.
Mayor Denis Weber said that although the city is taking a risk with such an ambitious project, he believes the finished product will be "well worth it."