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Probably need to use a neck-sizing die in the process. NOTE - the rounds might, like US blanks, use cases that are NOT necessarily suitable for live loads.
6,5x55 wooden bullets could they be pulled and dump the powder and reload new powder and seat a boattail bullet and crimp or would they need to be resized with a live primer in the case
Probably need to use a neck-sizing die in the process. NOTE - the rounds might, like US blanks, use cases that are NOT necessarily suitable for live loads.
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Pay attention to what Clyde said. He knows what he is talking about.
Blank cartridges, of any kind, are not something to mess with unless you are an experienced handloader who knows what he is doing.
samco has them listed as swedish ball ammo with wooden bullet and I thought
i heard on the forum that these were once fired ammo reloaded as training ammo only a nickel a round cheap but might be trouble they are berdan primed but thats not as frowned upon as much as it used to be
Pull bullet out, dump powder out, necksize to remove the crimp (or spitzer can be seated without neck work), reload with your favorite load and go at it.
One dude just posted recipies in swedish forum using rl17 and cases (same ones you are considering) he bought from my daughter.
i like to use hornady expander balls (two gradual sizes) when I do these for myself, that way the crimp removal/straightning is more gradual. My rcbs power trim pro also works with a pilot bit, but not as quick as two dies set up in a cheap turret press... Make sure you adjust your de-capper pin so its not trying to push on the bottom of the case. Reason hornady for expander balls - these are shaped better compared to RCBS expander balls for this particular task. What else..., oh I tumble my for a week LIVE (before even removing wooden bullets) as they will be nasty looking once you open that battlepack and boxes inside. Clearly, use your own jugement with that one. About 2% of all the ones i did and my daugher are BOXER primed, without military crimp (and we have done over 12k of these thus far) as far as primers.
makes me wonder if i should get some more of these before these are gone as I find it Very reasonable $$ for primed brass AND orhers are getting the same idea now. (About 5-10%, depending on the batch, will have dents on the body of the case, right below shoulder area - i set these aside for a barrel warm up loads before trying with specific load for groping). Every single one thus far is dead on 55mm case lenght.
how do you pull the bullets I see someone has said they break off in the case and when you say they look nasty can you elaborate are the green or just dirty
my video is on page 2
sometimes both, do you want a picture of what it looks like out of the box?
hydraulic method to deprime (ebay has these for 6.5x55).
Tula primers to reload, if you can find these during this craze, before the 'panic' these were around $180 per 5K +shipping +hazmat fee.
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Good brass have reloaded 100s of them have never had any issues. Good for plinking. I dump powder as it is close to Unique, I use it for 38spcl and 9mm. The wooden bullets are sealed in place I put them in my rock chucker and use pliers to pull them out.
I have a lot of these blanks. Like Thousands. Anyone have a Browning barrel ( 1919 or 1917) in 6.5 Swede ? If some one wants some, will be happy to sell - not sure what is fair, $.06-.07 / rd ? The ones I got are all fairly clean and useable as is. They were on Browning belts.
they look pretty ratty just ordered some hope I get better with shipping they are .11 cents each to my house I wouldn't buy these but can't find any ammo under 30.00 a box when you can get it.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.as...box&groupid=98 sp
http://m.sportsmansguide.com/Product...4662&bi=223062 fmj
thank you might just order some shipping is reasonable , will have to shoot the mauser this groundhog season
There may be something else to consider!
Do not laugh ... I've seen it and experienced it. The cases may not be of the same quality as of the original "heat" rounds.
In short ... I once had to pull up some youngster from his shooting position. The guy was bewildered and out of focus. A friend had reloaded 308's for his Fal and had used "blank cases" for this. Those cases, which had a different "copper color", were too weak. The result was a blown out Fal-magazine that was doubled in thickness. The shooter, thank God, wasn't hurt. It was not the first time I had to "pull up" a shooter from his shooting position. One checks the eyes, opens the shirt and looks for blood. Shooters have special guardian angels ... this I know for a fact ... having been a range master for some time ... not my profession, just one of the hobbies that crossed my path in life.
i am currently pulling the wooden bullets. from my 2nd batch of samco training ammo.
it is easy to do. i chuck the wood tip in my drill. that is held on the bench by a vice
chuck up the wood as close as you can to the case. [ butt up touching]
at this time i use emery cloth and/or steel wool to clean the case
then using a plumbers flaring tool, [i drilled out the 3/8" hole to 1/2"] grasp the case and pull "gently"
i have noticed that when you are cleaning the case with the steel wool, the neck gets heated due to friction. and this helps to loosen the sealent
after you have removed the wooden bullet, save the powder in a suitable container
I emailed NORMA. and using the google translator asked if the powder was safe to reuse, after him hawing around for a week
was told it was ok to use but they do not recomend it. sence there is no data on the type of bullet, velocity, etc...
so i reloaded 2 rds using 30 grains, it worked out good, upped it to 32. good. upped it to 35
opps..sticky bolt. dropped it back down to 30 grains for a 120 grain bt spitser. i am having no problems what so ever
i have shot around 75 reloads so far.
before starting this. i weighed the wood bullets and weighed the powder as i pulled it.to get an average as to where to start
i feel the price of the brass makes this a justified risk. and free powder as a bonus
i pulled 800 rds. and netted 2 1/2 lbs powder. they averaged 20 grains per rd. i figure i have enough powder for 600 rds
give or take.
Hello !
did i read this right:
you are using powder from the wooden bullet ammo (which is pretty much FAST BURNING powder nearly identical to Alliant Unique Pistol powder) in a once fired 6.5x55 brass with a load of 30gr Unique powder over 120gr jacketed bullet?
what are these spit out at, over 4000fps?
You are not worried about excessive pressure with undesirable results?
you do realize that even people shooting CAST would load around 15gr(and thats higher end) of Unique in 6.5x55? I, personally, would be REALLY worried about shooting this recipe.
does anyone else here have a comment on this load????
>>does anyone else here have a comment on this load???? <<
Like pilots, there are old handloaders and bold handloaders but there are no old, bold handloaders.
Just having the powder tilted the wrong way during load development can result in a nasty surprise with the wrong components.
I have no idea how 30 grains can be safe when only 20 grains was loaded behind a wooden bullet. I am curious how anyone could guess at a 50% load increase with a jacketed bullet and get away with it.
My concern would have been rapid pressure, bullet not exiting, however, bolt pieces and/or receiver flying directly into my head or innocent bystanders.
Its just past my threshold of comfort, but I guess everyone is different.
After claims of 75rounds with that load I kept wondering if rifling is shot, thus allowing 120gr jacketed bullet to actually travel that long. Or is it chamber that is so nice and tight and excellent, for now, bolt support (that face got to erode eventually at these pressures) which allows firing with 'no signs of pressure'. ???
Reason for cast or wooden bullets behind pistol fast burning powder was the fact that material could much easily deform and 'mold' itself to the rifling thus allowing for bullet to actually travel thru the barrel length - not to mention decreased friction. With jacketed round, as I said above, in a better scenario, bullet would get 'stuck' inside of your barrel as pressure is looking for a path 'least resistance' at that point and might eventually find that the case and bolt and receiver would be just that - and that is when it might get 'ugly'.
Just be careful with this experimenting. I actually do NOT say this often but here it goes - I believe this is a truly dangerous and 'do not try at home' scenario especially thru a small ring military mauser!
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i hear ya kaifs.. thanks for the concern. i do appreciate it. i will take your advice and step down the grains
to 20. and see how that does. anybody else out there, tried this? your knowledge and input would be welcome
Hello !
I'd drop to 15 grains with a proper bullet. And maybe a CAST bullet (lead, not jcketed).
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[ I seriously doubt that there are survivors left after shooting 30+gr of unique powder with jacketed bullets via small ring mauser ... Or I should say ones with typing hands intact and functional eye sight to see this thread.] The variable here is we don't truly know what the powder is we are assuming something on the order of unique caution is a understatement here
exactly, i shot it, i am not dead, my fingers are all here. well 9.5 anyway. lost a 1/2 few years back. and i am not blind
altho i do need glasses. it is not unique powder. i wish i had the capability to figure the fps. there is a person on this forum that has mentioned he has used this powder before. chime in....let us know your thoughts
i am dropping down the grains. i got sticky bolt at 35 grains and dropped back to 30. i will drop again to 25. but what is that going to tell me? if i cant figure fps? i do know that at 30, i shot a target at 50 yards, went thru the 3/4 ply... traveled 5ft. went thru a 4" pine tree. traveled 1 ft and went into a pine tree 3"
i am approaching this with caution. not just runnin and gunnen if my caution is not caution enough, help me figure it out.
kaifs, what are you doing with the powder you get out of your wood bullets? send it to me..ill pay the ship and the haz mat
dont throw it away
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Frodo, you may want to drop the idea of reloading so you can keep all those fingers and toes. I hear theres a vacancy for a Elvis impersonator down Tupelo way.
http://www.midwayusa.com/find?newcat...mensionid=4024 even a beginner reloader knows how to measure FPS (aka bullet velocity) - so i would probably suggest reading a bit about reloading.
Dutchman and he reloads cast and pistol with this Gevärsexerciskrut 1 Swedish powder from gallery and blank rounds, or so I understand.
So, if some believe 'this powder' is 'very similar' to a Unique = no one will want to help you out to hurt yourself. Thus silence from much more experienced reloaders (and i do not put myself into that category) is perhaps doing you a favor.
i really think it might not be a bad idea to learn a bit more about reloading. Excessive pressures. What Swedish Mausers are rated for as far as PSI. what is the difference in pressures, velocity and risks for the rifles with your variables based on the barrel length (M94, M38, M96). I am glad you are taking it slow - thus the reason I took time to actually type this. its not me being condescending, its a worry that a fellow gun enthusiast would somehow hurt himself/herself and I did not offer enough warning/advise based on my limited experience.
Now that I have offered my suggestions and warning - good luck and enjoy!
and i appreciate your concern about my safety and well being.
your suggestion on a chronograph is valid and helpful information. and i think it will be-hoove me to suspend my reloading until i purchase one.
I understand that you do not think it wise to use this powder. I disagree, I am wanting to go slow, purchase a chronograph
and figure it out. I do not see the harm in going slow and figuring out a solution to a problem....thats kinda how this great country of ours was built. hard working, hard headed, God fearing men.. when i get the chronograph, I will welcome yours and others helpful advice ciphering the data............ lord knows i need it.......
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Well they arrived today and they look just like the ones KAIFS pictured in the previous reply he says he tumbles for a week but I will go about 6 hours and see then steel wool and the drill , just wondering has anybody received the blank firing device and used it looks like it would clog up rather fast .
i have 2 of the blank devices, but i didnt use it when shooting the wood bullets. they seem to come apart and disappear around 20 ft or so.
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Well it seems samco over charged me on the shipping and today I received a check refunding me 11.00 so this deal is getting better and I have pulled about 400 bullets and reloaded the brass as needed very nice brass that loads easy . In todays world I must say samco is a topnotch outfit selling at fair prices they have my vote I will order more soon.
Just a note to any new reloaders that may be reading this threads... What Frodo is doing is incredibly unsafe, unwise and irresponsible. Using an unknown powder without load data is a major violation of various safety rules ... The comment "i feel the price of the brass makes this a justified risk. and free powder as a bonus" shows he has no sense, well, no sense at all, but no sense of responsibility to his family or anybody who might be around when he does this incredibly stupid stuff .. He may be permanently damaging the rifle due to repeated excessive pressure. So if you see a rifle up for sale by this individual I would steer clear , you cannot know how it has been abused or how many time it has been shot with overloads.
Despite his protests that he is going slow ( slow as in 5 grain increments , yeah right) and is being cautious just further shows he doesn't have a clue as to what slow or cautious means ...
It is my considered opinion that anybody contributing or advising or assisting Frodo in his death wish is being irresponsible as well .. Other than warning people off , I don't think anybody should be posting to this thread. Frodo has made it abundantly clear he has no intention whatsoever of taking any sound or reasonable advice and is hell bent to do what he wants to do .. I say post your warnings and disapprovals and do not even hope somebody who is so willfully ignorant and persistently unsafe will ever listen, or take good advice or sound counsel...
I strongly recommend that any responsible moderator delete this thread completely just incase some newbie fool decides to listen to very irresponsible advice.
This is so wrong on so many levels and I don't think any sane or responsible person could argue with that fact.
Frodo is looking for approval for what he is doing, so those that "help" him can share the blame when something goes wrong, period, so Froda can say , well, so and so on Gunboards reloading forum said I could do it this way. It should be clear by now that he is not interested in safety, caution, or advice. Only in doing what he wants to do regardless of consequences and doesn't care who he drags into to this or how anybody helping him might feel if something he does goes horribly wrong... don't be a fool's "buddy".. especially when that fool does not care about consequences ...
Let Frodo's plans and what he has said in reply to good advice stand as a mark of the Man and his character and just walk away.
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This may sound weird but they're blanks, not live rounds- will they chamber in an 8mm chamber and is the base of the round the same? Thinking of seeing if they'll run as blanks in my 8mm MG?
The base of a 6.5x55 round is larger in diameter than 7.92mm. They may not chamber. You might be able to run 30-06 blanks thru a 8mm fill length size die...then run them in a MG.
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Regarding Blanks for a Maxim 08 or 08/15: One can use Normal 7,9 crimped case blank, with a Stripless belt ( a Vickers type) but then you must use a Blank cartridge discriminator in the Feed Block, to hold cartridges and belt against the back wall of the feedblock (so the extractor Gib can pick up the shells;
If you simply size 30/06 cases, and leave a short "false Bullet" Profile, you still need a (different) feed Discriminator. If you have proper Maxim or Vickers "Tabbed" belts ( brass or steel) then no discrimiator is requitred.
As to the use of 6,5Swede Wood bullet blank: Swede cases are .475-.480 at head diameter, 7,9 cases are .470-.471 Diameter. "Jamming Fit" ( Ie, the Maxim block will slam the cartridge into the chamber, and it may or may not lock...if it fires, it may "discombobulate" the entire Lock etc. AS well, the 6,5 case is shorter (no headspace contact) and your cases will rupture as well (more gas through action). Either get a proper 6,5 Chambered Maxim Barrel ( and probably a enlarged Extractor Gib strip as well) or forget about using 6,5 Blanks in a MG08 etc.
As to the cases used in Swedish 6,5 Blanks: They are mostly new brass, or Ball brass recycled into Blanks (re-loaded) They are mostly Berdan-primed (.217", Tula at Dagammo).
In regards to the .308 made from "blanks" the US 7.62 M82 Blank is a separate design case from Ball, and has an extended profile, which must be cut off to use in the normal (51mm) length. Blank M82 Cases are not made to the same metallurgy as the Ball M80 cases. Hence, use only for blanks.... US 30/06 Blanks were made from normal .30cal cases, and even broken down ammo or reloads. So .30 M1909 Blanks ( wadded type) can safely be used for Ball loading.
Running Blanks is a fine art, with a long learning curve...the more complex the gun ( ie , MGs) the more there is that can go wrong ( ie, the Film gunner's Murphy's Law.)
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Thanks Doc! I just had a wild hair idea reading the post about the available 6.5 wood bullet blanks! I've shot 8mm (7.92) wood bullet blanks, .30-06 crimped long nose blanks (with a .30-06 blank barrel and a "hollywood" type blank adaptor, and the standard type blank adaptor) and 7.62x54 R crimped blanks (with a conversion for the gun) through my 08 and 08/15's, so I'm no stranger to the different types of blanks and the maxims, but I've never tried / bought these 6.5 Sweede blanks. Would love to find more good cheap 7.92 Mauser wood bullet blanks, but cheap ones in quantity aren't common any more. (Anyone other than me remember how cheap Paragon used to sell the East German and Egyptian Wood Bullet blanks? I've still got the ads- $50 per thousand...) I didn't know what the size of the base of these rounds was in relation to the 7.92 round, obviously .30-06 to 7.92 worked, wasn't sure if that would!


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This is a discussion on And now for something totally FUN! within the General Firearm Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by nedrgr21 What's a roundyard? Easy to mow...
whodathunkit - new math on DC. Would it be wrong to teach it to my 6 yr old niece?
Oh heck, it doesn't matter any more. I saw the screen on the supermarket cash register, it has pictures of the coins and tells how many of each to give back as change.
It really does matter, even here. Is a 100 round box at $35.77 a better deal than two boxes of 50 at $16.99 each? How many kids can figure that out in their head, without reaching for calculator?
The only common sense gun legislation was written about 226 years ago.
I carry always not because I go places trouble is likely, but because trouble has a habit of not staying in its assigned zone.
All this confusion over a "roundyard". It's pronounced "bullet-yard". Less confusing. I like the OP's math better though. I make about a half million a year that way.
Back when I shot smallbore pistol competition red dots were known to help improve scores greatly. Nice shooting there!
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That would be $17+tax with .223 ammo. .22LR is about $2. How do you calculate the minute of range value?
If I couldn't shoot .22 I would be living in a tent.
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Advice on a new 30-34ft boat
C&C have good rep & is one of the many I can''t think of now. When you make your purchase there are 101 little to not so little costs go with it, maybe less for new boat but always more than you remember to figure. Don''t forget Documentation ($400 by service, $45 if you can do yourself I think) or state registration, 1 year insurance, marina wants first & last, deposit fo gate cards & dock keys, $40-$50 for bottom clean per month, if new you may need powercords, dock lines, boat hook, locks, covers, dodger, bimini, stuff for in the cabin, charts, radios, brushes, hoses, SPARES of IMPORTANT stuff, good PFD''s for the kids, etc. plus Extras you want on boat from dealer, used is haul-out & survey, probably paint the bottom, zincs, stuffing box, while it''s out and this is mostly just the stuff I can remember. It nice if you can afford to do what you want with the boat after you get it without wondering if maybe the kids really need that college fund. It''s good to have a little boat fund after purchase so you can add the rudder transducer or whatever without breaking a sweat. Speaking of which would be good idea to shop for slips in your area if haven''t already done so, waiting lists are not uncommon.
Tides are a real big factor in your area, good to go with them, sometimes impossible to go against, study tide tables and charts to time days voyages, most I know in that area pretty careful in this regard but not difficult to master with effort
Advice on a new 30-34ft boat
How about a C&C? The C&C 99 is a nicely thought out performance cruiser that is beginning to build a racing following, not that it matters. But it is well built, with modern foils underwater, and a very easy to handle layout.
I have only been out on one once, but was impressed by the fit and finish, and lively handling.
That and they have wone a few awards in the Boat of the Year" catagories.
Advice on a new 30-34ft boat
Thanks for all the feedback so far. Just to add a bit more data, my initial budget was to have a boat in the water for under $120K.
Other than getting some experience with the Tides in Puget Sound, weather, and comfortable with the geography, I don''t feel too nervous about managing a 30 foot boat (I have spent a lot of time on 40+ foot boats growing up).
Since I am new to this size (and a new/newer) boat, the feedback helps alot.
Advice on a new 30-34ft boat
Study owner websites at www.sailboatowners.com and manufacturers. www.catalinayachts.com
I own a Catalina 270 so I may be prejudiced towards them. The boats I looked at to be online with what you seem to want are the Cats, 30'', 310 ( which started out to be the redisign of the popular 30 using new construction method, turned out so different they introduced as new boat) & 32. The Bene 311 might be something to look at if available, also you could look in Wash., not a bad cruise home. Jeneau (sp?)& Bavaria also, same price range, nicer finish than a Catalina .
I really like layout of Cat 310 (real mattress, in a real stateroom for Mom & Dad, not some cave of an aft compartment) & shower little more separate from head then most designs. Only made since 2001 I believe so the 30 is probably going to be more readily available used at better price. Used 310''s seem to be running $85 to $95,000 you can get a 30 to fit any budget.
There are some knowledgeable posters on these forums for whom the Catalina is not a particular favorite (and it is more popular on west coast I think than east coast, home field advantage). And I will admit that they are a "high value for your dollar" production boat. I feel most of the Bene''s may be built a little stouter and the cherry interior is beautiful, I like the way they handle.
Most Catalina owners love their boats, they handle well generally, most are not real good in light airs but pretty good to windward and track well.
I actually was looking at boats close to $100,000 when in my search I found my Catalina that had all the important features I wanted at 1/3 the price in a smaller boat. I decided that the smaller boat would suit my purposes for a few years and I wouldn''t feel so "tied" to it. I don''t feel guilty if it sits for a week while I go trout fishing, High Sierra season starts next week.
There are a lot of Very well made boats other than these depending on budget, if you can find good used one might be better than some boats new.
Island Packet, Pacific Seacraft, Cabo Rico, also boats.com has extensive reviews also I believe, best advice is probably to charter or crew on a bunch of different boats to decide for yourself whats important to you and how the boats sail and live.
Advice on a new 30-34ft boat
If this is your first boat, consider that you might want to consider it a "starter" boat and move up in a few years when you have more experience and know better what you want. Taking a wild guess from what you mentioned, I would reccomend a very good condition used Catalina 30 MkII. You should be able to get a very good one for under $40,000 (Maybe well under) and it is large enough and tough enough to safely care for the family and small enough to learn to handle with out too much stress. There are enough of them out there for you to have a lot of choices and you can sell if for not much of a loss in a few years.
Advice on a new 30-34ft boat
You''ll find that this board has what I would characterize as an elitist attitude regarding Catalinas, Beneteaus (unless it''s a First), and Hunters (unless they''re more than 20 years old). So be prepared to be steered in other directions.
Advice on a new 30-34ft boat
I have recently moved into the Seattle WA area and am looking for some advice on a Sailboat. I have spent a good portion of my life on boats and sailing, but mostly fresh water sailing on the Great Lakes.
The boat range I am looking at is in the 30-34 foot range, mostly because my wife and I have two small children, and I wanted a boat that is not too difficult to get into a slip and manage the sails solo.
I have been looking at New Cruising boats for about 1 month now, and am at the point where I could really use some advice.
Here is where I am at. I have looked at the Catalina 30mkIII, 310 and 32. I have also looked at the Beneteau 323 and 331. I like the Beneteau, but none can be had prior to September of this year. Although I like the boats, I am not impressed by the Beneteau sales organization in WA. To the point where I am considering another boat.
At this point, I am planning on mostly weekend sailing on the Sound. I am not looking into a project boat (which is why I have been looking at new boats).
I have not really looked at too many options other than the Catalina, and would like some advice on going that path vs. the Beneteau..... or maybe I am going in the wrong direction all together.
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It seems like there are people here that are certain that there will be widespread chaos. It also seems like there are people here who seem to want to ignore the possibility of rioting and the frequency/severity of riots past.
I will add these thoughts to the fray:
1) Where does the Zimmerman/Martin thing sit on the rage-o-meter?
I say not as high as LA riots, but much MUCH higher than the BART shooting. This thing has been mentioned on national TV, by the President, and even in Congress.
2) How wide-spread would a riot be?
I say unless you are in the ghetto, or ghetto adjacent you're in the clear.
In conclusion -- I'm not going to change a thing, I live in Carroll County, Maryland. 2 acre lots means that a rioter would have to walk miles to damage the equivalent of a city block, and we are very well armed.
If I lived in Sanford, my fear would be turning into Reginald Denny -- getting ganged up on because you walked into a bad area at the WRONG time. To prepare for that I'd be aware of my surroundings, listen to the news, and carry enough ammo to fight my way to safety.
Riots aren't a zombie apocalypse, they are a bunch of idiots setting fire to whatever surrounds them.
Sorry if my post is wordy, I just think people are missing the middle-ground option between "everyone is paranoid" and "holy crap, Florida is going to become an urban forest fire!"


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tryr \"Fighting Smarter\" by Tom Givens
good book and Tom is an excellent instructor
you can order the book at the rangemaster web site
This is a discussion on Good Training Videos and Books? within the Defensive Carry & Tactical Training forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Okay, sorry guys but I have another obviously newbie question. In magazines and all over the Internet I see scores of training books and videos, ...
Okay, sorry guys but I have another obviously newbie question. In magazines and all over the Internet I see scores of training books and videos, Some look good, some look bad, some look questionable. My question is how good are the books and videos for training yourself?
If they are of use, how do you go about picking through the bad ones and finding a good one? If you know of some good ones, I am all ears and have an open mind. Thanks in advance.
tryr \"Fighting Smarter\" by Tom Givens
good book and Tom is an excellent instructor
you can order the book at the rangemaster web site
Watching videos is no substitute for getting good training from a qualified instructor. Having said that, I like the Thunder Ranch series of videos. Matt Burkett also has a good set of videos, although they are more oriented to the competition world.
I\'ve been buying a bunch of videos lately. My current favorite is Janich & Stanford\'s \"Martial Marksmanship.\"
The Janich & Stanford video describes basics of both modern point-shooting technique and modern isoscoles sighted fire technique and discusses rationale for using one or the other in any particular circumstance. They show some neat extremely close quarters stuff too.
I\'m eagerly awaiting Paladin Press\'s release of Gabe Suarez\'s video and SouthNarc\'s \"The Fighting Handgun Volume 1.\" I can\'t wait to add those to my collection.
Any of these videos will be geared 100% to fighting (with and without a gun) with no attempt to teach artistry or competition technique.
When it comes to practical shooting books. It\'s hard to beat Gabe Suarez.
My must read list would include:
Tactical Pistol Marksmanship
Publisher: Paladin Press (November, 2001)
Tactical Pistol
Publisher: Paladin Press (January, 1996)
Tactical Advantage
Paladin Press (March, 1998)
My copy of SouthNarc\'s Fighting with Handguns video arrived this week. Man! It\'s full of good stuff! I highly recomend it.
In Gravest Extreme by Ayoob, could be the most important book you read concerning lethal threat management.
A video I would suggest for anyone that carries for protetcion is \"Deadly Effetcs\" with Dr. Fackler of the Army\'s wound ballistics laboratory. This video goes into great detail about what happens when a bullet hits a human body, and more importantly, what dozens\'t happen, example there is no guaranteed \"one shot stop\". If you are forced to perforate some BG numerous times some ignorant (zealous anti-gun) prosecutor is libel to file manslaughter charges because the 2,3,4 etc holes in him shows excessive force and an intent to kill.
As explained to me by both LEO and prosecutor buddies back in Indiana, only what you know at the time of the shooting can be entered into evidence for your defense. If it turns out after the fact the BG was wanted for child rape/murder in 5 states, this information does you no good. If the BG is known to you as a violent, dangerous person this can be used to justify your actions.
So if you can prove that you knew before hand that you know the limitations of handgun bullets, and the unlikelihood of one shot being able to stop an attack, this can be used for your defense. Along with owning this tape I can call as witnesses LEOs to testify I have viewed police training tapes including an FBI agent who loaned me the official recreation of the Miami shootout and the conclusions concerning the effetciveness of handguns in stopping the BGs.
As well as being \"insurance\" it is important to know what to expetc if you are ever in a situation, not really a \"how to\" type video for shooting, but important information to have.
Both In Gravest Extreme, and Armed Response are very good books. In my opinion filled with invaluable info.
Armed Response: A Comprehensive Guide to Using Firearms for Self-Defense
by David S Kenik.
If you don't protect your self, who will?
While I am the author of a book on training, I also totally agree that a book or video is no substitute for interactive training with a qualified instructor.
However with that said, books and video's can provide you with a technical overview of the material and present you with questions to ask your instructor.
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Another vote for video/books are no subsitute to attending a class.
Books I recommend to supplement your training
- In the Gravest Extreme
- Effective Defense by By Gila May Hayes
- Street Survival, Tactics for Armed Encounters, Calibre Press
- On Combat, LT. COL. Dave Grossman
Videos I recommend
- Judicious Use Of Deadly Force, Massad Ayoob
- Physio-Psycholgical Aspect of Violent Encounters, Massad Ayoob
- Conceptual empty hand. Bram Frank (CSSD/SD)
- Conceptual Stick, Bram Frank (CSSD/SD)
What I see in Bram Frank instructional DVD sets is how he explains why you do techniques, he breaks them down and explains each segment plus dispells myths on some principles. Couple Bram's instructional tapes (He has more then I listed) with other instructors (a short list) Michael Janich and Ernest Emerson for instance and you will find these tapes assist between classes to knock the brain back to what you might have learned in class. If you have been trained by these instructors and need discoverable evidence in court the tapes may assist in your defense. Lastly, if you are planning on attending a class were the instructor offers tapes you possibly will be better prepared for the class. For example, I have signed up for a Bram Frank class in the spring, purchased his training tapes several months ago and feel I will be better prepared for the class. In his tapes he discusses some topics that I would have never guess would be in the class and feel better prepared for watching the videos.
I am a firm believer (as others have already mentioned) in getting into classes to become better prepared to defend yourself. Also feel if you can get into monthly scenario based exercises this will ingrain training much better then static shooting at the range or shadow practicing perhaps knife tactics etc.
Concerning Ernest Emerson, his Combat Karmabit DVD set is excellent. Even if you do not have a Karmabit I highly suggest getting the set and as other sets come out get them too. Ernest is a no BS instructor. You may very well disagree with some of his techniques but do not take them all in the context he puts them in, even he will say that in the training tapes. He has sections on two handed knife counters which I can hear some say "I would never get two knifes out and..." my take on these tapes was, to alter them to suit my mind set and thought process.
Michael Janich is more main stream instructor, he is an excellent instructor and makes great training DVD sets.
Okay I am rambling way of track so I will stop here
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In addition to the Ayoob videos mentioned by KevinInstructor, also see the LFI Handgun Safety video about once a quarter. A regular dose of those three will server as a refresher about the God-Awful responsibility that goes with the card in your wallet and hunka metal on your hip.
Gabe Suarez' Close Range Gunfighting is an excellent video that takes you step by step through the whole process of drawing and firing a gun up close and personal.
There's a reason The Sopranos is set in New Jersey.
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Usability of the PreView PHP for Home Use in Intermediate AMD Patients
This study has been completed.
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First received: October 20, 2008
Last updated: June 2, 2009
Last verified: June 2009
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Detailed Description:
To demonstrate the ability of intermediate AMD subjects to follow the instructions for use and properly operate on their own the Preview PHP in home use environment, after going through training session.
|Age Related Macular Degeneration
|Study Type:
|Study Design:
|Observational Model: Case Control
Time Perspective: Prospective
|Official Title:
|Usability of the PreView PHP for Home Use in Intermediate Age Related Macular Degeneration Patients
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Primary Outcome Measures:
- The proportion of subjects who successfully completed the test by themselves, in a home simulated environment [ Time Frame: 2 clinic visits ]
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|Study Start Date:
|November 2008
|Study Completion Date:
|March 2009
|Primary Completion Date:
|February 2009 (Final data collection date for primary outcome measure)
Subjects diagnosed with Dry AMD
Detailed Description:
The study purpose is to demonstrate that the target population can use the system after going through a supervised training session. The PreView PHP will be operated in the same manner in the simulated setting as it will be in future home use.
|Ages Eligible for Study:
|65 Years and older (Adult, Senior)
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|Sampling Method:
|Non-Probability Sample
Study Population
Dry AMD subjects
Inclusion Criteria:
- Capable and willing to sign a consent form and participate in the study Subjects diagnosed as intermediate AMD in at least one eye
- Age ≥65 years
- VA with habitual correction better than 20/60 in the study eye
- Ability to speak, read and understand instructions in English or Hebrew
- Qualified to use the device by health care professional
Exclusion Criteria:
- Evidence of macular disease other than AMD or glaucoma in the study eye
- Presence of any significant media opacity that precludes a clear view of the macular area as identified in the study eye by biomicroscopy, CFP.
- Any non-macular related ocular surgery or macular surgery performed within 3 months prior to study entry in the target eye
- Participation in another study with the exclusion of AREDS study
- Patients diagnosed with geographic atrophy (GA)
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Looks like the pap's main criterium for foreign talent is cheap labour.
Importing cheap labour and disguising it as foreign talent is dangerous. Employing foreign workers mainly because they are cheap but cant assimilate into Singapore society is a recipe for disaster.
The pap has to learn from its many disastrous and bad policies so far. Dont let the zeal to import cheap, unskilled and unqualified labour be another bad policy that will haunt SG in the future


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Libya hails return of ancient treasures from Britain
By Salah Sarrar
TRIPOLI (Reuters Life!) - A British woman has handed back to Libya a collection of ancient artefacts which her father, an amateur archaeologist, took from the north African country when it was administered by Britain after World War Two.
The artefacts were part of a consignment -- including a Hellenic ram, Roman terracotta oil lamps, the head of a statue of Bacchus and wall decorations -- returned by relatives and friends of Britons who took them from Libya decades ago.
Jean Hugo from Wales said her family found a box of antiquities under her father's bed after he died in 1996 and she felt compelled to bring back the items he collected.
She lived in the Libyan city of Khoms, not far from the ancient Roman city of Leptis Magna, from 1953 to 1959 where her father was headmaster of the British army school.
"He was very interested in archaeology, so he did a lot of work at Leptis Magna," she said at a ceremony in Tripoli late on Wednesday to mark the return of the artefacts.
"There was nowhere to house the objects he found at the time ... I will miss them terribly but they are back in their right place."
Libya's government says it wants to draw more tourists to its ancient sites and has been tracking down items that were sold, given or taken over four centuries of Turkish Ottoman and Italian rule and during the British administration of 1943-1951. Continued...


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If you can get one, STi is the only answer, IMO...
This is a discussion on Buy the STi or not? within the New Member Hangout forums, part of the Community - Meet other Enthusiasts category; If you can get one, STi is the only answer, IMO......
If you can get one, STi is the only answer, IMO...
-If your going to quote someone, quote yourself.Originally Posted by SilverSubaab
You should be able to pick up a left over 2006 STi for $800 - $1000 UNDER invoice and a 2007 STi for $200 under invoice to $200 over pretty easily if you shop around. We some 2006's under $31k here.
Invoice on the 2007s seems to average $700 more than the 2006 for some reason. Many of the other Subaru models have gone down for 2007 compared to 2006.
I guess it's all going to come down to what I find available. If I can find the STi I'd like ,I'll go that route. If not I'll get a bare WRX and make some Mods.
Thanks to all of you for some speedy responses. I will definately become a regular here.
Uncle Jesse
The world breaks everyone and afterward many are strong in the broken places. But those that will not break it kills. It kills the very good and the very gentle and the very brave impartially. If you are none of these you can be sure it will kill you too but there will be no special hurry. Ernest Hemingway, A Farewell to Arms, 1929
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Go with the STi. Funnest car I have ever driven.
I'm pretty much in the same posistion and have opted for the STi. I've driven both.. WRX stock is nice but I've driven faster and tighter cars.. Can't say the same for the STi. If I got the brand new TR I would HAVE to mod right away.. not a bad thing but the possibilty of saying bye bye to the warranty on a brand new car doesn't sit well. So.. I'm going 05' STi.. it's got plenty to satisfy me until the remainder of the warranty is up.. After that the real fun begins.
P.S. From reading all the posts and the great info on this forum you are in a win win either way. Choice is yours!
give us some background on youself? the WRX and sti are completely different cars
you wouldnt happen to live near windy back roads would you? maybe with some hills and some annual snow
cough* cough* STI > all
**** off with your candy paint jobs and spoilers that are 8x too big , I say never be complete, I say stop being perfect, I say let... lets evolve, let the chips fall where they may.
We have more twisty back-roads, gravel, logging roads, and small tracks than just about anywhere else in the country. Yeah I will definately be getting out and enjoying the car from time to time.
Uncle Jesse
**** off with your candy paint jobs and spoilers that are 8x too big , I say never be complete, I say stop being perfect, I say let... lets evolve, let the chips fall where they may.
I love my STi, but one word of warning: The tyres are 3 season. In Olympia snow isn't a big thing but if you plan and go play up in the white stuff be ware...
I live just down I-5 in Portland.
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- 64% said basic coverage at an intermediate price – I would pay some portion of LTC costs out of pocket
- 22% responded full coverage at the highest cost – I wouldn't have to pay any LTC out of pocket
- 14% said catastrophic coverage at the lowest cost – I would pay a significant amount of the initial cost of LTC out of pocket and would be covered for some amount after that
BOSTON, Jan. 31, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- New John Hancock research indicates that lower price options increase purchase interest in long-term care (LTC) insurance among 45-65 year olds, especially at younger ages. Overall, among individuals at all ages, interest in buying a lower cost policy vs. a traditional policy grew from 14 to 30 percent. For the group aged 45-51, the interest tripled from 11 percent to 36 percent. The pricing study, conducted for John Hancock by The Forbes Consulting Group looked at the purchase interest in LTC insurance of 300 individuals, aged 45-65, who had a household income greater than $70,000 and investable assets of more than $100,000. Except for the benefit increase option and corresponding price, the policies compared were the same, offering a three-year benefit totaling $164,000, and a 90-day elimination period. They were not identified as John Hancock policies, but the "traditional" policy reflected John Hancock's CPI inflation option which grows on a compounded basis according to increases in the Consumer Price Index and the "lower cost option," reflected a new option offered by John Hancock which grows gradually over time based on the performance of the general account that funds the policy. For each example, respondents were given John Hancock's actual annual premium costs based on their current age. They were then shown illustrations of how potential benefit increases could differ between the two policies and how the respective increases related to the anticipated increase in the cost of care. "This study confirmed our belief that interest in LTC insurance would rise quite significantly, particularly among younger buyers, when less expensive alternatives are offered and explained. Perhaps this has been intuitively understood, but now there is data to prove that lowering the cost of LTC insurance is critical to making this coverage more accessible to a broader population. ," said Laura Vail Wooster, vice president of Marketing, John Hancock Long-Term Care Insurance. "Traditional LTC insurance options have become more expensive over the years, so the industry must keep pursuing innovative solutions to help more Americans prepare for and cover at least some of this cost." More than seven out of ten (71%) agreed that they are personally responsible for preparing for any LTC services they may need. When asked more generally which philosophy for purchasing LTC insurance was the best fit:


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The Forest City Boys track team finished 3rd at the Hampton Relays Friday night, scoring 94 points. Hudson won the meet with 113, Charles City had 102. For the Indians, Grant Lehmann won the high jump, clearing 6 feet 3 inches, Tyler Putney won the shot put with a toss of 45 feet, 11.5 inches. Chad Ullmann finished 2nd in the 800 and 1600 meter runs, and the Indians won the 4×800 and Distance Medley relays. The Forest City Girls track team finished 7th with 60 points. Hudson won the meet with 124 points, Charles City was 2nd with 117.5. For the Indians, Rachel Koch won the 400 hurdles, and the 4×800 meter relay team of Koch, Lydia Schwartz, Maggie Mathiasen, and Emily Koch won in 10:39.83.
The Forest City golf team fell to Garner-Hayfield/Ventura by 2 strokes Friday night. The Cardinals shot 183, while the Indians carded a 185. Andrew Rust was medalist for the Indians, shooting a 41. Dan Melby added a 45.
Other Boys Golf scores:
Lake Mills 175, North Iowa 193, West Hancock 258 Taylor Ostermann, NI, 36
Saturday, the Forest City Boys finished 5th at the West Hancock tournament, shooting a 357. Andrew Rust and Daniel Melby each carded 82's. Clarion-Goldfield won the meet with a 312, Lake Mills was 2nd with 325, Garner-Hayfield/Ventura shot 346, Eagle Grove had 346, Belmond-Klemme 359, and West Hancock 420.
Other Girls Golf scores:
North Iowa 240, Lake Mills 244 Darian Swenson, LM, 50


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Django Unchained (2012) Plot Summary
Former medical man, Dr. King Schultz, buys the liberty of a slave, Django, and trains him with the intent to create him his deputy bounty hunter. Instead, he's light-emitting diode to the positioning of Django's married woman UN agency is beneath the hands of Calvin Candie, a merciless husbandman. Written by BenLobel
Django Unchained (2012) Credited Cast
Director: Quentin Tarantino
Writer: Quentin Tarantino
Stars: Jamie Foxx, Don Johnson and Leonardo DiCaprio
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Gaëtan Dufour pursue an advanced undergraduate preparation in maths & physics for the competitive national entrance examinations to the French Grandes Ecoles. In 2009 He was accepted at the Ecole Centrale de Lille: one of France's top ten Grandes Ecoles leading to an Engineering degree (equivalent to the Master Degree). After a two-years common core multidisciplinary curriculum he specialized in Waves, Micro/Nano-technologies and Telecoms. He also pursued a Master Research Degree in Micro/Nano Technologies at the University of Lille. He intends to graduate from those to Universities in 2012 after a final 6 months internship in the MircTech Group.
Research Focus
- Tunable antennas on ultra-soft substrates
- Microfluidic for RF systems
Work Experience
- Summer 2011: Intern Engineer Assistant at RTE (French network for transport of electricity) in the Network Development Department
- Summer 2010: Research Intern at the University of Texas at Austin in the Environmental and Water Resources Engineering (EWRE)


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One of The Center for Cartoon Studies' most notable graduates, Beth Hetland ('11) is a character, to say the least. Hetland's infectious enthusiasm and near-boundless energy make her a nigh-unstoppable educational and creative force. In addition to her professor duties at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago, she produces somewhere in excess of one hundred pages of comics per year, performs onstage with writing partner Kyle O'Connell as Brain Frame Lit, and somehow still found time to chat with your humble reporter a couple of weeks ago.
Carl Antonowicz: You've just recently released the collected edition of Fugue, the single editions of which were the majority of your thesis here at CCS.
Beth Hetland: Yes!!!! Victory!!!!
CA: What's different about the collected edition?
BH: Well, I think the biggest difference between the collected version and the single issues is that there are no more screen printed covers. As much as I love screenprinting, the books were, thankfully, selling faster than I could print sometimes. To be able to block off that amount of time became harder and harder as my attention shifted to more projects.
CA: Is it still hand-bound?
BH: They are still hand-bound, believe it or not! My school got an electric perfect binder and I run them through that puppy. Even though collating, cutting, scoring, and gluing takes time, it's SIGNIFICANTLY less time than actually screenprinting 2 colors per cover for three books. Plus the interior pages are cream, like my original thesis, not the single issues, and there's color chapter breaks, and a new cover and a fancy pants ISBN and barcode for stores. But those are more surface changes, the art and story are generally the same with only a few minor nudges.
CA: Now that it's done, are you planning on pitching Fugue somewhere for publication?
BH: Yes, sir! That was one of the big reasons to collect it. Not many publishers are interested in 3 separate books, they would much rather have everything in once place. I've been doing some research both on literary agents and publishers and getting my ducks in a row. My goal is to bring collected Fugue to my shows this year and then retire it maybe? Or perhaps catch the eye of a publisher and pitch something new, different and fresh since Fugue has been out for about 3 years now. I would be happy with either of those options.
CA: In an ideal world, where would you like Fugue to find a home?
BH: I suppose they go hand-in-hand, but I think that my silly and big dream would be Scholastic or First Second. Just because I admire and love the books that come out of those publishers and so incredibly wish I could work with those people and be listed in their catalogs.
Demographically, it feels like folks interested in memoir and/or coming of age stories would be most interested in it. Plus I get a lot of moms who like it. Truly, I would be happy just knowing it was nestled happily on the shelves of people I've never met.
CA: Now what about the comic you're cowriting with Kyle O'Connell, Half-Asleep?
BH: YEAHHHHH this comic is so much fun. Plus I love collaborating, it's kind of nice to just "show up" and do the parts I like to do.
CA: I was going to say, it seems like your projects with Kyle have a very different thematic focus than your solo work.
BH: Oh yeah. They really do. And what's funny is that these are still things I'm very interested in, but I view collaboration, or at least the idea of collaboration, as a way to practice and refuel my batteries while still making creative progress.
CA: Kind of freeing, would you say?
BH: Fully freeing. He loves to write and I love to draw and we started collaborating because I was burned out on Fugue and I said "Hey, I wanna do NaGrNoWriMo, but I don't wanna write. I'll draw anything you write up to 200 comics pages… you in?" I needed to just completely forget about myself and just play with some fictional characters that were going on an adventure. That was our first big collaboration, Cycles. And once that project was done, I had some major breakthroughs with the ending for Fugue which was entirely necessary. Once Fugue Part 3 was done, he and I launched into Half Asleep.
CA: I remember you were having some difficulties with Fugue 3 after you graduated.
BH: Yeah, it was rough. I was really disappointed in having to turn in a placeholder for my thesis, but that story just wasn't ready. I wrote and re-wrote part three completely, start to finish, over 10 times. I have all 10 versions still but holy god are they wretched.
CA: Do you think it was just time that allowed you to finish it to your liking, or was the work on Cycles more integral to your pro(gr/c)ess?
BH: Oo I like that word! pro(gr/c)ess!! I think it was both. I got some great criticism on part 1 and 2 and I needed that to sink it and practice improving my weaknesses, so that's where Cycles was helpful in the process. But I think it just let that part of my brain relax and go through the meditative process of drawing and problem solving rather than charging my way through it, which was a very different approach coming from me. Since I went right from undergrad to grad, charging through was my only tactic for a large portion of my creative growth. Now that I HAD more time, I was finally able to use it. I still get critiques about being "too fast" and not "taking time" by some of my friends but that doesn't bother me. I have my reasons for being shark-like in creation.
CA: Excelsior.
BH: Root Hog or Die, and so on.
CA: Speaking of time, after you graduated from CCS, you went on to teach comics at your alma mater, right?
BH: You betcha! I have yet to live a day not on the Academic Calendar…
CA: How did that come about?
BH: Well, I think it happened around January of our last year at CCS. My favorite teacher from SAIC (The School of the Art Institute of Chicago) emailed me. She and I are good friends and were at the time too, but she said "Hey, I'm applying to a new teaching job at University of Oregon, and if I get it, I want to be able to give SAIC a name. Would you feel comfortable if I put your name in the running?" and I said, "Sure, that'll never happen but go right ahead!"
And over the last stressful months of working full-time, finishing my thesis, I was also building and finalizing my CV for her to give to her Department Chair. The same weekend as our physical commencement, I got a call asking if I had time to interview in the next week. Turned out Surabhi, my teacher buddy, got the job and recommended me with high regards as being a fresh new graduate. I interviewed, submitted a few sample lessons, and the next thing I knew I was packing up my stuff and sobbing at a goodbye party. It happened incredibly fast, and even though I knew this was what I wanted, I still felt like I wasn't prepared.
CA: But your classes have been a hit the students, haven't they?
BH: Yeah. To be perfectly frank with you, it was touch and go for a little bit this past year. When I started, I had a feeling that Surabhi's classes were full and they were looking at me as if I was a temporary solution and I would just get fired the next year. Lucky for me, my students gave me exceptionally positive course evaluations. But over the next year, my course load was reduced from 4 a year to 2 a year. That second year, my job was posted and I had to reapply.
BUT I got rehired (hooray), and now I'm teaching 4 classes this semester, 2 of which I pitched on my own and they were accepted with open arms.
CA: Is having to reapply for a position you're already in a standard practice in academia?
BH: It's tricky to say, because as a part-time instructor, you are only hired based on class proposals. So it's the Chair's decision. However, since it was only my second year, I didn't know a lot about the politics of what it means to work in academia.
CA: Did it take you by surprise?
BH: Immensely. And then it was really hard to have to tell my friends who were applying for the job, asking me about writing them a rec for it. Under any other circumstances I would have LOVED to support them, but as it was my current job… well you can see how much that sucked.
My theory is that since I was hired originally last minute, they wanted to make sure that they were choosing a faculty member that added a lot to the school and departmental curriculum as well as finding the best candidate for the students. Which I wholeheartedly agree with. But wasn't fun.
That being said though, without that terror, I wouldn't have had the balls to pitch new classes.
And It taught me some valuable lessons about branching out, and being experimental in my way of teaching and thinking about comics at a Fine Art school.
CA: How so?
BH: Well I was only teaching Comics in Writing for a while, as Painting and Drawing had their own classes. I also taught a class in Fibers that was about narratives. This was a class Surabhi created.
CA: …Fibers? Like textile art?
BH: Yep! But as other parts of my income I travel and review portfolios, I saw a lot of comic interest in first year students, so I pitched a class to the first year program, called Contemporary Practices, and it was accepted.
And another department at my school is Arts Administration and Policy, so I pitched a class that is similar to the professional practices class at CCS but this one is geared toward freelancers, illustrators and cartoonists. Having my courses in different departments made me feel more grounded because there was more exposure to what I was doing, as well as a variety for the students and gave me an opportunity to articulate why I think comics can be taught in these different areas of the school rather than only in Writing or Painting and Drawing.
Does that make sense?
CA: Yeah! So comics, as the marriage of the written and drawn images, deserves a berth in both of those disciplines.
BH: Yeah, and I think expanding what comics are to talk about Narratives helps them find a home in places people may not initially think of.
CA: In my experience, though, most of the fine artists I've brushed up against tend to look down on comics as a form. "it's not obscure enough! anybody can read this!" Whereas most literary types I've talked to about comics are more open to the idea of the medium. have you run into much of that at SAIC?
BH: And that's some of the stigma I think I'm helping to remove. Cause whether fine artists like it or not, more and more people are interested in narrative, and if the schools that value abstraction over story don't even offer classes in the latter they're missing out on a huge demographic of potential incoming students. There are hurdles like any other place. But I think more and more people are accepting the idea and willing to experiment, especially at a place like SAIC. Lots of my students now are coming in saying they read Scott McCloud in 8th grade and they think it feels outdated– WHICH BLOWS MY MIND–and, even more strange, is that we're reaching a point where that book was written before they were born.
So they've grown up in a world where comics and comics theory and language is bridging "common knowledge." It's a fascinating point to be in, to be able to discuss with my seniors comics theory and appreciation as a literary form, and to discuss with my freshmen comics common knowledge and Understanding Comics being used in their high school AP English classes.
CA: So they tend to be able to talk more in-depth about formal concerns?
BH: Sometimes yes, but they're also still juggling how to be adults too. I mean that in the nicest way possible, but they can get really hung up on one point they disagree with and it can derail any other in-depth comments that may have begun previously. But I have to say their conversations go in a very different direction than I anticipate.
CA: I imagine it's fascinating to watch these kinds of conversations from the other side of the podium.
BH: Oh yeah! One of my favorite parts is having a class read a comic and then discussing it the next week. They come up with some astounding conclusions and I love listening and guiding them to conclusions. Or letting them fly off the handle bars about how gorgeous it is!
CA: What have some of your assigned readings been?
BH: Well this semester I've got: Understanding Comics (Scottie M), The New Ghost (Robert Hunter), The Ticking (Renee French), Book of Leviathan (Peter Blegvad), The End of the Fucking World (Charles Forsman CCS '08), The Lagoon (Lilli Carre), Meanwhile (Jason Shiga)…I have a bunch more but I'm blanking on some…They read a lot for me.
CA: Good, they bloody well ought to.
BH: Yeah my thoughts too.
CA: You've got a fair amount of interest in bookarts and self-published comics–particularly ones that feature interesting formal experiments, as I seem to recall. How do you approach those ideas with your classes?
BH: Each class has a little bit of a different goal, so sometimes this fits and sometimes it doesn't. BUT I'll give you a few examples:
My freshman class is called Extracting Narratives, and I'm not allowed to dictate the mediums they work in for their projects, so all their assignments need to be created with the freedom of being able to make anything but it must include narrative. For their final project, I molded a project that Surabhi gave to one of my classes once where we had to make a "One of a Kind Gallery piece" and a corresponding "Multiple or Book." The point is to see how both related to and are inspired by source material or an original narrative and explore the way in which an audience or reader will experience each piece.
So we do a lot of book binding demos, and visit the Artist Books collection and I'm giving a lecture about Oulipo and Artist Books as a way to help frame their inspiration for this project.
In another one of my classes, they make 3 8-page comics over the semester. And the class is titled "Complex Narratives: Engineering Comics" this one is in the Writing Department, so they are encouraged to consider not only the complexity of structure within their work, but the complexity of structure outside of their work.
In a class I teach in the fall, I give a "one pager" assignment where students need to make one of the three one page comic formats and create a story that works within that format. They can do the "8-page folder," Expanding comics (ala CCS faculty Jon Chad) or the Choose your own Adventure (ala Jason Shiga) and some great things come out of that project too.
Plus I can't help but talk about what I love, and that happens to be Artist books, creative formats and narratives that work with how they're housed.
CA: Is there a book arts program at SAIC?
BH: No, but there are various Artist Books classes in different departments, Viscom (graphic design) has a letter press, Print Media has artist books and offset, Writing has a book lab and an artist books course as well as some art history courses focused on book arts.
CA: You'd done a lot of teaching even before graduating CCS. Was it your plan to teach comics on a collegiate level all along?
BH: I'm pretty sure it was. When I made the decision to invest both time and money into an MFA I spent a lot of Pros and Cons lists thinking about what an MFA, or MFA program, could offer me that just comics creating or workshop experience couldn't. And at the end of the day, I love teaching. I love having students. I love the "performance." I love critiquing. I love the ever growing and expansive community of learning and academia. When I decided I was going, my base goal was to teach college age students.
I've done some young kid workshops, and some middle grade ones too, and I even gave a guest lecture at a high school last fall, but i still think college age is my jam.
CA: What's different about college-age students (aside from the rampant hangovers)?
BH: They're just a bit more serious. I can push them harder. I also think I view them more as peers in the comics world rather than apprentices. I don't feel worried about moving too fast in lectures, discussing more matured content comics, and they don't have to call me "Ms. Hetland."
CA: "That's Ms. Beth to you, bro"
BH: Actually I go by Professor Beth.
CA: So what's coming up in the future, Professor Beth?
BH: Good question, Ace Reporter! I'm not even sure how to list it. There's still a lot! Next year I'm teaching still at SAIC, I have 4 classes for the year of 14-15, I'm planning to debut some new parts of Half Asleep at the conventions I'm attending this year (TCAF, VanCAF, CAKE and SPX), I've got some solo project ideas on the back burner, I'll be hanging out in Vermont for a little bit this summer, I'm getting an intern, and umm… I don't know, long term is still up in the air. I'm hoping I can continue to ride the wave of teaching, new projects and staying happily busy.
That sounds really hokey but I'm honestly just trying to make it to the end of the semester. I'm ready for this winter to be done and I'm ready to spend some time working on my projects.
CA: Once more into the days of short sleeves and inky fingers.
BH: Yes, and bicycle rides.