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China Passenger Vehicle Sales Up 11% in July As New Plants Come Online But Continued Market Growth Threatened As More Cities Regulate Vehicle Registrations
Sales of passenger vehicles in China were up 11% in July as new assembly plants have opened and as dealers cut prices to clear out inventory before 2014 model year cars start arriving. The state sponsored China Association of Automobile Manufacturers says that wholesale deliveries of automobiles, SUVs and multipurpose vehicles were up to 1.24 million units in July, beating analysts' expectations. Among the companies that have opened up assembly plants this year in China are Ford, PSA Peugeot Citroen and Chinese owned Volvo.
The new capacity is planned to fill demand for an anticipated 20 million units this year and as many as 30 million by 2020 as the Chinese market continues to grow. So far in 2013, 12.3 million units have been delivered. While market growth is expected to continue for cars and light trucks in China, there are potential problems. According to some reports, Tianjin and Wuhan may join four other cities, including Beijing and Shanghai that are already trying to reduce ownership of private vehicles to alleviate congestion and reduce pollution. Other reports say as many as eight additional cities are considering implementing those regulations.
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27 Comments on "China Passenger Vehicle Sales Up 11% in July As New Plants Come Online But Continued Market Growth Threatened As More Cities Regulate Vehicle Registrations..."
HalftruthAugust 12th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
Pollution/congestion has been a problem in some metro areas of China for decades. Selling more and more cars certainly won't help. I can easily see why some metro areas would want to curb car ownership (pun intended).
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August 12th, 2013 at 4:22 pm
They should thank our politicians for giving them our jobs!
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Lie2meAugust 12th, 2013 at 7:43 pm
Why would you say that? American automakers are selling cars made in China for the Chinese. It's almost impossible to sell a car in China unless you have manufacturing facilities there. China is helping American automakers buy buying products that they wouldn't be able to if it weren't for American factories in China. These factories do NOT export any of this Chinese product back to America. How is it costing American jobs?
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SuperdessuckeAugust 13th, 2013 at 10:52 am
Should we make foreign automakers build cars here to sell them? You free trade idiots would be screaming bloody murder. So why should the Chinese be able to do that? It's costing American jobs.
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Lie2meAugust 13th, 2013 at 11:14 am
I don't understand your logic. If you want to sell cars in China you build a factory there, build and sell them cars at a profit. If you don't build a factory there no sale no profit. Where is it costing American jobs? If anything, by building and selling cars in China it helps the automaker stay solvent thus insuring there are jobs to go to back home
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Big Al from OzAugust 12th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
It seems that the Chinese will become a force to reckon with in the future of the global motor vehicle industry.
I also foresee Australia as being probably one of the first Western nations to 'embrace' their vehicles, we have already started going down that road.
We have little choice, we have a very liberal economic base to work from. But, also and importantly is our trading position with the Chinese. Essentially the Chinese owe us money, so if we want to keep on exporting to the Chinese our raw materials I think we will import their vehicles.
Once the Chinese (within a decade) can produce globally competitive vehicles many countries will probably adopt harsher protectionist measures like the US.
It also appears the Chinese have played their hand well. Look at the manufacturing companies that are producing vehicles in China.
The Western auto manufacturers who have set up shop will be 'influenced' to export to their other global markets.
Cars will be like cordless drills, bought cheaply and recycled.
Once the Chinese vehicle exports start to take on global markets, we will wonder why we are bickering amongst ourselves and why we didn't work together more closely as free nations.
The dynamics of motor vehicle industry is about to change. But Australia will profit from it more than most.
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Lie2meAugust 12th, 2013 at 7:50 pm
How come there are no Australian owned car companies?
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RobertRyanAugust 12th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
Very long history that cannot be told in one post.Canada may have a parallel one as well.
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Lie2meAugust 12th, 2013 at 8:39 pm
I'm trying to understand why someone would be concerned with "US protectionist measures" when they don't have anything to export that the US needs to be protected from
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RobertRyanAugust 12th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
We do export to the US mainly parts but over time cars as well i.e presently the Chevrolet SS.
More to do with YOUR CHOICES Not ours.It would be nice to see the US as a more open market. On other forums I get "why we cannot have that here?" and it is not isolated instances.
PS Frank Sartor to the left of local politics. Primarily a state politician(since retired) have met him twice. My Cousin had dealings with him.My now deceased Aunt met him on regular occasions and advised regards his work as Mayor of Sydney.
He went on a fact finding mission as regards planning visiting several countries. Impressed by Sweden and other Scandinavian countries from memory.
My not favourable impressions of US Infarstructure derives from the fact I crossed that very high bridge that collapsed into the Missisippi, near St Louis. That was several months after I went over it. I agree totally with your President the US infrastructure needs a might kick up the posterior.
Lie2meAugust 12th, 2013 at 9:14 pm
Now I'm really confused, you mean the US government who bailed out GM has protectionist policies that would prevent GM from importing, or exporting it's own product to itself… (scratches head)
Ford must be behind this… Oh, wait
RobertRyanAugust 12th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
It prevented Ford importing the Transit and the Transit connect directly , Chrysler the Ducato(No alterations whatsoever) like we do. Not counting what Volvo trucks, Daimler etc would like to bring in.
Yes the previous Holdens had to be changed.
Lie2meAugust 12th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
Oh, next time you see Frank, tell him I said hey and not to worry there hasn't been a single bomb go off in Atlanta since that night… lol, he was so scared
RobertRyanAugust 12th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
First Portuguese politician I think in local State politics to become head of a division of Australian politics. Just released a book called "Fog on the hill" about the problems of the Labor Party he was in.
Big Al from OzAugust 13th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
Have I only been critical of the US?
I was even harsher on Australia's position with our manufacturers regarding 'handouts' to maintain a small number of jobs.
If a Frenchman or Englishman were to make comments I would comment on them.
Also, if you have read my comments I do cover all aspects of the global auto businness.
But it seems there are a certain group of people who don't like my views as it will affect them directly. I'm talking some of the UAW sponsored bloggers.
They want to debate the virtues of the anti competitive behaviour of the motor vehicle industry in the US, I will accommodate them.
doctor oldsAugust 14th, 2013 at 2:11 am
What's really weird is that their largest (domestic) car company is General Motors! How do you wrap your mind around that??
Lie2meAugust 14th, 2013 at 8:08 am
Exactly, why does the government "protect" American car makers, in who they have a huge investment, from importing their own products?
RobertRyanAugust 14th, 2013 at 8:58 am
"What's really weird is that their largest (domestic) car company is General Motors! How do you wrap your mind around that??"
What is much weirder the best selling Sedan in the US has been a Toyota Camry..weird eh?
Lie2meAugust 14th, 2013 at 9:05 am
That I understand, Toyota has huge investments in the US and they build a car in the US that a lot of people seem to want
RobertRyanAugust 14th, 2013 at 9:12 am
"That I understand, Toyota has huge investments in the US and they build a car in the US that a lot of people seem to want"
It would appear they have so far been very successful in their strategy. Not long ago they nudged Ford out of No.2, I think this will become more common later on, despite them having a relatively small "Truck" share of the US Automotive pie.
doctor oldsAugust 14th, 2013 at 10:53 pm
Wouldn't you think that citing the Toyota Camry as the best selling car might be a hint of data to suggest the US market my actually be open to foreign competitors?
Camry sales volume is just a fact. Thinking the market is closed despite that fact is weird.
RobertRyanAugust 15th, 2013 at 1:11 am
"Wouldn't you think that citing the Toyota Camry as the best selling car might be a hint of data to suggest the US market my actually be open to foreign competitors? "
The Toyota Camry sold in the US is not an import it is produced there, in fact it has a considerable US content, despite it having a Japanese parent company.
SuperdessuckeAugust 13th, 2013 at 11:02 am
No. How are you going to stop Chinese workers from demanding more wages and their citizens from implementing pollution and safety standards? You can't. Military intervention and human rights abuses will only go so far. Eventually that will push prices beyond the cordless drill stage.
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Big Al from OzAugust 13th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
Yes, I agree, but with China, due to its size this will draw out for a while.
We already have Chinese vehicles and that's what they are buy one and after 5 years throw them away.
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RobertRyanAugust 14th, 2013 at 2:49 am
@Big Al From OZ,
The "Bubble" is starting to effect China. I would expect some rocky times ahead very soon. This "correction" will have fairly negative affects on the US/ NA and Australia.
Too much growth fuelled by speculation and Credit..sound familiar???
They have about 200 million who are a reasonably affluent middle class, 500 million
who are up to the standards of most Third World Countries and 500 million not much better than Sub-Saharan Africa.
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KenmoreAugust 12th, 2013 at 7:25 pm
All the cars in that photo…. what is that slovenly mess?
Not a manufacturer's yard I hope,
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doctor oldsAugust 14th, 2013 at 2:36 am
The Chinese market has a long way to grow. Even with suppression of vehicle populations in the many huge cities, those areas will continue to demand more, and increasingly more upscale vehicles. It is a great place to sell cars!
China does have great poverty. A billion or not in the market for something as costly as a motor vehicle. On the other hand, there are 300 million who are doing pretty well!
The growth opportunities are in the smaller cities. Those with only a million or suppose. That's why GM launched its newest brand, Baojun. It will be less expensive and tailored for lower income areas.
With the lead in electrification, the best selling brand and a growth strategy in more rural china, GM will do well.
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I want to add an additional electrical outlet to a circuit. Existing Romex on the circuit runs in the attic down the wall.
There are 2 options as I see it, since there is no slack in the existing Romex. Use 2 junction boxes in the attic to splice in to the existing outlet's romex or pigtail off the new outlet and use one junction box.
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Either one will work just fine----I like #2 better ,but the cable might be stapled and impossible to remove.
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I just wanted to make sure there wasn't some other way that was slipping past me.
I might get lucky with some slack on the line, who knows.
Are you installing a receptacle above the exsisting receptacle?
Just cut a hole for the new receptacle, drop a new romex to the exsisting box and make connections there.
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No need to root around in a hot attic when you can drop the wire to the old receptacle.
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How can I feed the new wire into the old receptacle's box? Won't that be difficult to feed the new wire into a tab on the old receptacle box?
Whats the technique?
I usually knock out the old box, fish in the new wire and install a replacement old work box.
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I had to rip out the old box to be able to fish the wire down to it. Tore a little bit of drywall, but nothing some spackle can't fix.
Had to twist 3 romex runs together + pigtail for the outlet. Tight fit in that old work box, but it made it.
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Date of Stay: October, 2011
Nice small State Park just off US 441 South of Ocala. Would rate higher, but sites are unlevel. Trees could be a problem for slides and, especially, awnings. Had to relocate to a different site due to not being able to level my 39' coach. Second site was slightly better. Sites are not as long as represented. They are on an angle to the road and the length measurements are taken on the "long" side of the sites. Also a lot of US 441 traffic noise and several loud trains. Did not really bother me, but it is loud and continuous. Park very clean and staff extremely friendly.
Date of Stay: May, 2010
This is a snowbird park. It is clean and the office staff is very friendly. There are plenty of activities in the park to make your stay very enjoyable. Only problem I had is the back-in sites are squared off to the narrow roads, which make backing in extremely difficult. No matter how I tried, I could not keep off the grass from across the street while backing into the site. Don't know why they did not angle the sites in their new section to prevent the difficulty in parking. If you are here for the season, then I guess this is not a real issue. Also, the water pressure was extremely low during certain times of the day. Had good cable TV, clubhouse, pool, etc.
Date of Stay: October, 2009
Stayed here before. Still a very nice, friendly spot to stop when on the road and want to relax for an evening or two.
Date of Stay: October, 2009
Very nice campground. Had site right on the river. Not a bad site in the park. Did have an issue with ants. Not park's fault, but be prepared for the invasion!
Date of Stay: October, 2009
Most sites on the lake or have lake views. App. 15 miles from town, but small stores and restaurants near by. Great for water activities. Nice and peaceful in the evenings.
Date of Stay: February, 2009
Nice campground on the banks of the Santa Fe River. Office folks very friendly. Had a real nice riverfront site w/fire ring. Only negative I saw is they rent riverfront lots to long term campers. Looks like some campers have been there for awhile. Doesn't seem quite fair that most of the riverfront sites were campers that have no one around them. Guessing these are folks that come here in the summer time. Branford and Bell are the closest towns. Not large cities, but have grocery stores and a couple of restaurants. Wi-Fi worked very well. Just a couple of TV channels. We were under trees and could not use Sat dish. Boat launch and large floating dock on premises. Will be back.
Date of Stay: November, 2008
This is a new RV park that specializes in Horse events and trail riding. Check out their website for more details. Pros: The sites are huge. The driveways are concrete with grassy sites. The park is located in the country and is very peaceful. There is a well stocked convenience store on site. The folks running the place are very friendly. Cons: Some of the sites are fairly unlevel, although I had no problems with my 38' coach. Not much going on around the property when I was there. May be a little boring for kids. I enjoy peace and quiet and being able to view wide open skies at night. This is the place for doing just that! Major shopping is within 15 miles of the campground.
Date of Stay: October, 2008
This is a very nice place to camp and home base while enjoying the nearby Amish country shops and beautiful Ohio countryside. Will definitely return next year.
Date of Stay: October, 2008
This is a nice park in a very quiet area. We stayed during the off season so the park was not overly crowded. Not much to do in the way of activities, but if you want to relax in peace and quiet, this is the place for you. Staff very friendly. Went to Waverly for groceries and restaurants. Town of Bainbridge is nearby with stores as well.
Date of Stay: October, 2008
A very nice place to camp and enjoy the mountains. Owner/Operators are top notch.
Date of Stay: June, 2008
This is a nice campground for staying near St. Augustine, not far from I-95. I stayed in the front of the park, and the traffic noise from Rt. 207 was a little louder than I liked, but not bad. There were nice office folks. It was a very short drive into St. Augustine historical district. Shopping centers are not far. I will definitely stay here again.


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I was really predisposed to love this book but I didn't. I'll admit though that there's a lot of creativity in both the content and the imagery. I usually like wordless stories but this time I wasn't touched. The illustration style is very bold, and I'm sure many will be drawn to it, but I neither cared for the drawings nor the color palette. It's strange, because individually I fancy the colors used, it just didn't work for me. The story could have had more drama or depth, but it's geared towards really young kids, so we're not the target audience. My five year old was however both amused and delighted, but he won't pick it up again. I could compare the style of this book to some of [a:Kevin Henkes'|193|Kevin Henkes|https://d202m5krfqbpi5.cloudfront.net/authors/1257746190p2/193.jpg] stuff, he sometimes makes these odd choices with colors, such as in [b:My Garden|7149888|My Garden|Kevin Henkes|https://d202m5krfqbpi5.cloudfront.net/books/1268853281s/7149888.jpg|7415051], [b:A Good Day|317813|A Good Day|Kevin Henkes|https://d202m5krfqbpi5.cloudfront.net/books/1347261741s/317813.jpg|308607], [b:Old Bear|3429644|Old Bear|Kevin Henkes|https://d202m5krfqbpi5.cloudfront.net/books/1347664012s/3429644.jpg|3470539], [b:Little White Rabbit|8471012|Little White Rabbit|Kevin Henkes|https://d202m5krfqbpi5.cloudfront.net/books/1348532050s/8471012.jpg|13335679]. Yet, I tend to think his books are brilliant, whereas in this one I didn't quite understand the choices made. Also, I'm not at all opposed to the pictures being more or less graphic, for instance I'm really fond of [b:Along a Long Road|9642660|Along a Long Road|Frank Viva|https://d202m5krfqbpi5.cloudfront.net/books/1344270931s/9642660.jpg|14530106] and [b:A Trip to the Bottom of the World with Mouse|13414820|A Trip to the Bottom of the World with Mouse|Frank Viva|https://d202m5krfqbpi5.cloudfront.net/books/1333581515s/13414820.jpg|18714281]. Anyway, I'm using a lot of words to attempt to describe where this book went wrong with me. Why would I care? Because, I was so longing to like it. This said, I will be glad to read more books by this author to try to change my mind. So, happily moving on to [b:Bunny Days|7386860|Bunny Days|Tao Nyeu|https://d202m5krfqbpi5.cloudfront.net/books/1356095700s/7386860.jpg|9245957] and [b:Squid and Octopus Friends for Always|13447325|Squid and Octopus Friends for Always|Tao Nyeu|https://d202m5krfqbpi5.cloudfront.net/books/1335676245s/13447325.jpg|18963846] ...
Lovely, imaginative, surreal wordless picture book. (Daughter adds: very warm-hearted).
A young boy and girl plant their seeds one day in this gorgeously-illustrated book, and awaken to discover that something magical has occurred! Wonder Bear takes them on a series of fantastic voyages in this wordless picture-book, only to return them safe and sound to their beds.
Tao Nyeu's lovely illustrations, which must carry the entire story, are reminiscent of Wanda Gag's work in style, although they utilize a far more subtle array of colors. I sometimes find wordless picture-books rather off-putting, but the charming visual landscape of Wonder Bear was sufficient to compensate for the lack of text.
A wordless book that is full of fantastic illustrations that tell the story. The story is a bout a boy and girl who grow a garden with magical seeds. when the plants grow, a magical white bear emerges with a top hat. He takes the boy and girl on an other-wordly adventure with the monkeys and sea animals he pulls from his hat. When the day is done and the children are put to bed, the white bear gathers up everything he pulled from his hat and goes back to the plants. The author tells a wonderful story simply from illustrations and the illustrations are amazing to look at. I loved how even if I had a story to go with the book the first time I went through it, the second time I discovered new things in the pictures and wold adapt my story or think of another story line to go with it. This would be great for children look at and come up with their own words to go along with the story.
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Two kids plant mysterious seeds (all that?s pictured on the envelope is a blue top hat), and up grows a remarkable flowering vine, out of which emerges an even more remarkable big white bear. On his head is the top hat?a hat that allows him to work all kinds of magic that day. He pulls monkey after monkey from the hat, blows bubbles in amazing shapes, and transforms flowers into spectacular floating sea creatures.
The two kids are wide-eyed with wonder, and you will be too. This is a dazzling debut?a vibrant, welcoming, strikingly original picture book.
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FLORENCE---Two state legislators and a prominent Florence physician will be awarded honorary degrees from Francis Marion University during fall commencement ceremonies at 10 a.m. Saturday, Dec. 15, in the Smith University Center gymnasium.
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Rep. Keegan has served in the South Carolina House of Representatives since his election in November 1988. He lives in the Island Green community and represents Surfside, Garden City and parts of Conway, a district that has grown tremendously over the last 10 years and has a very diverse population of retirees, young people and native South Carolinians.
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Born in Florence, Dr. Floyd attended Lake City Public Schools and earned a bachelor's degree from the University of South Carolina in 1956. He earned a medical degree from the Medical University of South Carolina in Charleston in 1960. He interned at Charity Hospital in New Orleans, La., and did his surgical residency through Louisiana State University School of Medicine.
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ticked at machine shop. now what
soo, I get this bbc from my dad that he has sent to the machine shop to have prepped for build. The owner of the shop is a "friend" of my fathers. The machine shop hot tanks the block (without removing oil plugs), bores it over .030, installs new cam bearings, and sends him a bill for $900. My dad not knowing any better pays them and has them deliver (for $30) it to the guy he wants to assemble it for completion.
They did manage to loose the main caps but were able to replace them with some extras , also known as spun till blue, they had around the shop. No align hone or bore, just bolt em on and let er rip. Deck hasn't been touched.
I'm sure no magnafluxing or sonic testing was done and am concerned about what to do next. This work was done a year ago and I am just now seeing the motor. The machine shop didn't give a reciept to the assembler and convieniently throw away all their paperwork at the end of the year.
So I'm guessing my best bet is to send it to another machine shop and just start over. Any suggestions? Oh and by the way don't use JB Cook performance in Memphis!!!!
Also after a year how do you know the plugs were not removed?
Why would anyone that is to assemble a motor accept anything with spun mains?
Did the assembler put the motor together and then all this shows up?
If they are a "Competent Shop" they do not throw away paperwork, it has to be turned in on their taxes.
You see I have gotten the blame for some incompetent assemblers that did not know what they were doing and just wanted to lay blame other than where it needed to be. This happens fairly regularly with people that want to be able to spout "I DID IT MYSELF", and find they didn't know as much as they thought. This can be a very expensive learning procedure.
Is all this the Truth or are you exaggerating, anyone in their right mind would not spend that much on that little machine work!
Also after a year how do you know the plugs were not removed?
Why would anyone that is to assemble a motor accept anything with spun mains?
Did the assembler put the motor together and then all this shows up?
If they are a "Competent Shop" they do not throw away paperwork, it has to be turned in on their taxes.
You see I have gotten the blame for some incompetent assemblers that did not know what they were doing and just wanted to lay blame other than where it needed to be. This happens fairly regularly with people that want to be able to spout "I DID IT MYSELF", and find they didn't know as much as they thought. This can be a very expensive learning procedure.
Is that right. Wow I must be a moron, excuse me.
1. No, I'm not exaggerating.
2. My father was trusting his "friend" to do what needed to be done and paid him without ever seeing the motor. He expected his friend who had much more experience than he to do the work properly. Basically he told him what his purpose for the motor was and asked him to do the machine work that needed to be done to get him there. Further, my father would have never known the difference until he went to drive it.
3. I know the plugs were never removed because there is still paint in the seams, unbroken, around the plugs. I also took one out myself and looked at the funk still in the block.
4. I can't speak for the assembler as to why he put it together with a burnt main cap. Possibly because it would still run? Maybe he thought replacing the bearing on a street only motor would cut the mustard, and wasn't concerned with future problems.
5. That is correct, I didn't see the motor until after it was assembled. However, I have different stamp, let's call them "fonts", on two of the caps.
6. "We throw everything away at the end of the year" was the response that I got when I called them to ask what was up with the motor and their excellent machining skills.
7. I'm sorry if you were incorrectly accused of something you didn't do and had to be someones scapegoat.
I feel for you. I had a similar experience. I bought a rebuilt longblock 049 heads. I swapped in my own cam, valvesprings, new lifters, and a double roller chain. After a few days of building, I installed it, broke in the cam, and changed the oil. Later that day a buddy of mine asked me to transport an engine for him so I thought it would make a nice mix of highway and street to help seat the rings. By the time I got back, I had lost almost all oil pressure, lost two cylinders, and it started running a little hot. I drained the oil and it looked like metallic grey paint. I pulled the valve covers and (to my horror) found that the idiots used non-hardened pushrods with guideplates. Further inspection showed that there were five different LENGTHS of pushrods, and only 2 of the pushrods were actually the correct length for a BBC. I had bought the longblock second-hand from a guy who never got around to using it, so the warranty from the shop was void.
The best suggestion I have is to call the machine shop. They have every legal right to say, "tough crap." But if they don't know you're displeased, they have no clue that their incorrect actions have any need to stop. If you have a receipt for work that was done and you can prove that the work wasn't done, file charges and take them to court, but if the receipt says something generic like "recondition block, $900" then the bad news is, you might just end up taking a bath on this one like I did. I ended up EATING $800 of machine work on my block that was necessary because of the crap left by the "rebuild" shop.
I'm sorry to say that, but sometimes it happens to the best of us. 9 times out of 10 you can buy a reconditioned block and its great, but sometimes its terrible. Right now you have to pay lots of extra money to get it right. If you call, there is a very slim chance that someone will say, "golly we're sorry, please give us another chance." Most likely they won't, but its a free phone call.
By the way, I don't mind telling everyone I meet... my bad experience came from United Engines somewhere here in the L.A. area. They have several facilities here, but don't confuse them with the other several "united" engine companies across the country.
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Being an owner of a automotive machine shop i hate bad press.....
Just so i understand... The $900 bill only covered, boring the block and cleaning...cam bearings and freeze plugs????? No other parts,like pistons, rings, bearings, re-sizing rods,grinding crank????
If none of that was included where was that done???
If your 100 percent postive the caps were switched i would never run the engine untill that part was inspected by a trusted shop...
It sounds like another guy assembled it....not the shop that did the machine work???? why didn't that guy find the miss-matched caps????
IMO it's a sign of the times. A good machine shop is a dying breed. There is just not that much return on investment.
I understand you K-star, since you're in the machine shop business! To many people do what they can to get a pay check and don't care about anything else -- "good enough" to keep from getting fired is okay for Joe Average. Not enough people do things because they LIKE it! Sound to me like this shop was short on cash for the month and the owner took advantage of a "friend" who didn't know much.
Then you have production shops that just try to push things through as fast as possible, another bad situation. I understand a plain old rebuild doesn't need as much care and attention as a performance engine, but it's still due a *reasonable* amount of attention!
Da South -- dgcantrellsr's reaction wasn't to miff you I'm sure! Sounds like he was just blown away that something like that could have happened. It does sound a little incredulous, but I've had something similar happen once. Shop promised to rebuild an old six for me, and my dad and brother had this shop do work for them several times over the years, so should have been trustworthy. I drove the four hours to take a short block to them for machining, they offered to assemble and warrant it for $150 more. I told them I needed it in two months, wanted to give them plenty time to work the old thing around their normal work. Fice months later and a couple wasted trips and I've had enough! I go to pick it up, and they had the machine work done and pistons on the rods. Hadn't even ordered a gasket seat, and lost a rare high volume oil pump I'd given them (you'll never be able to buy a HV Rambler 195.6 oil pump again!). They did have a new stock oil pump on hand, so I think the idiot forgot and threw the other one out. I was so pissed as I assembled an engine I was expecting just to drop in, that on Monday I called the bank and cancelled the check. I'd picked it up on Friday, he did "feel bad" so knocked $100 off the machine work. I'd talked to the guy a MONTH earlier and he promised (for the third time) that the engine would be ready. This a full three months after the two I gave to build a six cylinder short block in the first place. When he sent me a collection letter, I wrote him a nice one back. I had to rent a car for a trip since mine wasn't ready, and had made two unnecessary trips to his shop (okay, was going to see my parents anyway, but he never called me or my dad to let one of us know the engine wasn't done). I simply told him that after I added all the expenses he caused me up HE OWED ME $150, but it wasn't worth taking him to court over -- unless he insisted. Never heard from him again, though he did complain to my brother, who got a little ticked until dad explained the situation (he wasn't listening to me!). It didn't help that the guy had the nerve to call him and complain that the check bounced (but not me???).
I found out later that the rods were mounted on the pistons BACKWARDS! Those engine have a dome offset to one side. The pistons, rods, and caps are marked for the front, but I was in such a hurry to get the thing assembled (I'd only planned on dropping it in) that I didn't check good enough. This guy had built these engines before (though it had been a long time) and I did expect what he did to be done right (everything else was -- bore and crank grind). That's as much my fault for not checking as his though. I found out when I burned a hole in a piston (two carb setup, jet plugged in rear carb). Went to remove that piston and hte rod bearing was down to copper with just 2500 or so miles on it! Pulled a main and it was fine, another rod and down to copper again! So I looked over the piston/rod I had out extra careful and discovered the rods were on backwards. Took it to a shop, and they resized all the rods to fit backwards. They checked and found out the pistons were very hard to come by (I bought the last set in the east coast NAPA warehouse -- had them when I took it to first shop) and didn't want to press them off the rods for fear of cracking one. Worked great backwards anyway, I already had 2500+ miles that way!! The rods have an oil squirt hole for the bore that normally points at the cam for a little extra oiling. The cam gets plenty oil without it, the engineers just decided to point it that way instead of at the blank side of the block so the oil would do something. The shop examined the engine oil circuit in the factory manual (which I have) just to make sure though. Luckily the old 58-63 Rambler American was designed for the engine to drop out the bottom. The easily removed crossmember (doesn't distrub suspension) meant I could pop the pistons without removing the engine. I was still pissed off though!!
Sorry to here about this but it happens as we get a few calls a year about this practice but WOW 900 dollars for very little work.
We run a shop and on those blocks that are brought to us we sonic test clean and mag line hone with ARP bolt kit, square and deck, bore and hone with torque a plate for 595.00 and our work is done on a HASS 4-axis CNC machining center.
And to bore a GM block of the deck that has not been squared first (if the boring bar sits on the deck) i really sub standard work ans also if the block was not plate hone as those block distort a lot when a torque plate is used check out this link on torque plate honing.http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58964
Is that right. Wow I must be a moron, excuse me.
4. I can't speak for the assembler as to why he put it together with a burnt main cap. Possibly because it would still run? Maybe he thought replacing the bearing on a street only motor would cut the mustard, and wasn't concerned with future problems
Never implied you were a moron, but that little fiasco should have stopped with the person that assembled the engine, it was up to him to make sure everything was right. Should he have found something the machine shop should have been notified then, not assemble it and let it be run to spin main bearings and such.
That may be where the "blue" came from, because if they were blue before assembly,that in itself is a big red flag.
(3. I know the plugs were never removed because there is still paint in the seams, unbroken, around the plugs. I also took one out myself and looked at the funk still in the block)
Did assembler paint motor before it was installed?
I am going thru all this right now, and just want to know how your price will compare to what I am going to get a quote on... Thanks RPM
It really burns my britches when I learn of a situation such as this. When an incompetent machine shop takes advantage of an honest and willing-to-pay customer that doesn't have a clue to engine machining, it reflects badly on all shops. Most of us machine shop guys do what we do because it is in our blood and it's what makes us happy, not because we are getting rich. Personally, there are a lot of jobs that pay more than what I make but I really love doing good machine work at honest prices. Guys who resort to bilking the public generally don't last in small towns like mine. More populated areas seem to have more hacks than rural areas, I guess there are more uninformed customers to prey on.
This is a good example of a customer having no recourse because he didn't get a receipt. That the shop throws away the paperwork after a year is a lie. Those records must be kept for at least three years. But I suppose if I were that type of crook, I'd not keep evidence of my thievery either.
Boy Tom, I wish your were closer-every time I think I have to pick a Machine Shop I get sick to my Stomach-I've been burned before too-
Sorry about the delayed reply, I've been at work all day. I guess what I'm trying to express is my disappointment with the unethical, unfair treatment in a business where much depends on trust.
Two things I did forget to mention is that the crank was ground .020. And the old pistons and press fit pins were removed from the rods with a torch.
The machine shop only had the short block in there possession. I don't understand how you bore pistons without first trueing the deck? How do you true the deck without straight main journals? Kinda pointless to bolt a plate to a crooked deck. The alignment pins for the heads werent even removed. The machine shop did paint the lifter valley, along with their bores and the cam bearings. I'll post some pics of their craftsmanship in a few.
Legal remedies are out of the question because statute of limitations has run. I called the shop twice today and left a message for the owner, no response as of yet
Doc here,
Don't know if your State is like ours..(Government has their hands in EVERYTHING) but check to see if you have a Department of Consumer Affairs , Their function is to regulate HOW business operates and interfaces with the public..AND (at least here , ) Can have some repercussions for the owner, From stiff fines to License Revocation..
And (Here at least) Will Send an investigator on Every complaint..
Local Chapter of The BBB, is (almost ineffective) but worth the bad rap anyway..
THE most effective is WORD of Mouth..(it works real well around here..) every-time you go to buy an auto part, tell your story to anybody willing to listen..Where you buy your gas..or wash your car..have your shocks or mufflers installed..spread the word..and it will dump right back on the guy..sooner or later his "60 Day account" will get questioned..and maybe lowered to 30 days..people will be reluctant to do business with his shop..(as a jobber as well as consumer)
Just , whatever you say, be sure it's not embellished..That can backfire on you.
On the only big block I have in the shop I did some trading to help a customer out and it cost me 400 dollars.
We sonic test clean and mag line hone with ARP bolt kit, square and deck, bore and hone with a torque plate amd we also give the lifter bores a lite hone as well for 595.00 and our work is done on a HASS 4-axis CNC machining center.
And if they want cam bearings and freeze plugs installed we charge 60 dollars plus cost of the bearings and freez plugs.
At our shop we work at the rate of 70 dollars an hour on anything but using the CNC machine.
Hope this helps Carl
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After the recent mass killings in Colorado I again have taken time to consider my feelings about Capital punishment. As always I again conclude it is a bad solution for dealing with bad criminals. I personally would have no compunction over taking possible fatal action to protect myself or my loved ones. Try to hurt my family and I'll respond in any way I have to including putting the BG down for good. But: After the fact where protection is no longer an option I'd be the first to ask for life without parole as opposed to a death penalty. I differentiate between killing to protect and killing as a penalty or for revenge. Let me explain why I have come to this point of view: Which I must admit I did not share with my younger self in years gone by.
First: Many/most who commit murder are temporarily or permanently mentally unbalanced. Not saying that this deserves my sympathy but it does add a cloud of grey to any decision to kill the killer.
Second: I agree that it probably costs the state more to execute a criminal than it would to house the same person for life. Not saying this is right but it is what it is.
Fourth: It doesn't seem that the death penalty has served as much of a deterrent to crime. (Probably reflects back to the mentally unbalanced argument)
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Finally: It concerns me as to what executing a BG does to the ones that are involved. This includes the lawyers for the state, the judge, the jury, and especially the person(s) that is/are paid to pull the switch. This has to weigh heavily on all concerned, especially the person(s) involved in the final act of carrying out the execution.
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mtsooner wrote:Any hunter that attempts to push me out of a public spot, anywhere in the country, will first meet Mr. Glock 10mm, then he'll get a friendly visit from a local game warden.
We all pay taxes for access to land we can't afford or that's not for sale and never will be. I just moved to Texas and haven't even been out hunting yet, but my God, you guys are making it sound like it's some sort of elitist club on the water, and if you show up to have a nice hunt, some jackwagon will ruin it! Hardly speaks highly of Texas sportsmen. I hope it's not as bad as it sounds. There are PLENTY of birds for all of us!
Ummmmmmmmmmm. Yes ... GREAT idea, because a deadly conduct charge is worth filing a hunter harassment charge.
The good do exist within the entitled. Leave the pistol at home. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with that comment, but you're going to end up dead with that kind of mentality. If they don't get you first while your brandishing a weapon ... they might wait for you at the dock with an AR.