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The C.E.S. reports worldwide retail sales of all consumer electronics at $964 billion, of which AUDIO only equipment accounts for less than $19 billion. The greatest portion of that $19 billion is taken up by the top 10 electronics manufacturers such as; Sony, Toshiba, Panasonic, Bose, etc.; the remaining portion of sales left to the High-End audio industry is less than $2 billion worldwide. Now, if one follows the 80/20 rule or Pareto principle, that states that 80% of sales are done by only 20% which does seem to hold true across many economic models much like Benford's law and then we consider the top High-End audio companies such as Mark Levinson, Audio Research, Magnepan, Manley, McIntosh and others who each do at least a few million dollars a year in sales; well then that leaves only around $400 million a year left to the remaining High-End Audio equipment companies to divide. And yet, one can easily list more than 400 boutique audio companies worldwide. The last year Audio had its equipment directory the number of audio companies was close to that; one might assume that there would be less now but still... This would seem to indicate that the average boutique High-End Audio company is doing less than $1 million a year in sales with many only doing a few hundred thousand a year or even less. Considering that a typical price for audio equipment is between $1,000 to $10,000 then the average company may be manufacturing less than 100 units a year with some only producing one to five units a month or less, especially with statement products at the $25,000 and up level. For example; the late Richard Brown of BEL, Brown Electronics Labs, once said to me he only made a run of one hundred of his amps a year (the BEL 1001) and that was a more reasonably priced mainstream product at least by High-End standards. Furthermore, in another example Goldmund, a large company in the High-End landscape, only sold around 200 of their Reference turntables and it took them about ten years to do so. Of course, they were selling hundreds of their amps to each turntable, but again they were and are a large affair. Meanwhile, other smaller boutique "Statement" products must sell in even lower numbers. There must be some that are only selling one or two Statement models a year or maybe ever and likely just a few dozen of their entry level products. A company now long defunct, but some may remember, Wingate Audio in its first year did not sell even one of its mosfet amps and this despite heavy advertising at the time. Also, the AHL Tolteque company made only eight of their much talked about plasma/electrostatic speakers before folding the company. Now, one might assume that is not so unusual for a small start-up company but the A.H.L., was actually backed by a large French corporation Acieries du Haut Languedoc involved in the steel, mining and nuclear power industries. Makes one wonder just how many "vanity" firms there might be out there that one may hear and read about but are in fact not moving any product at all? While perhaps there are a few who may be selling in small numbers but are left out of the aggregation of data that comprises market reports from the likes of CES or Plimsoll Publishing or Research and Markets in Ireland.
If you strongly disagree with this or you have an alternative take on the High-End audio market please go into detail. Thank you.
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search around this site for the 'code' for each industry. Here in the US every industry fits in somewhere and all the data is HERE.
Best of luck, it's pretty thick going at times.
Too much is never enough
As was stated before the numbers are largely conjecture since there are so many variables like small one owner companies that don't have to report anything to anyone except the bank that gave them any loans and the IRS. However, I strongly believe the brick and mortar stores will always be around, albeit in smaller numbers. The reason I believe this is because of lunatics like us who want to hear, see, feel the things we buy that are near and dear to our hearts.
To a large extent the people who buy their equpment online seem to be the sort of people who want to buy "cool" things. I say let them. If a high gee whiz factor is important to them let them fool themselves into thinking they have bought something worth buying. Those people have always been and will always be around.
I don't really care what the actual numbers are as long as high quality equipment manufacturers ARE atill around. We, the people who seek our and actually buy high quality will always be here. Occassionaly we might even convert someone else so they become an enthusiast.
In this economy, NO transaction which goes thru a bank, credit card OR check goes unreported.
The Please check the link I provided, above, to see the extent of the categorization of all forms of commerce.
I doubt you can get away with 'all cash', either. At some point the money has to enter the record again, even if you bring a gym bag of 20s down to the car dealer for that 'Vette you always wanted.
OK, 3 gym bags of 20s.
Too much is never enough
Would explain you num. My sales are not inc in the above. Sure most if not all small audio manufacturing is at just to small a scale to factor in or even draw attention from C.E.S.
Numbers are dicey at best. These companies are making profit, otherwise, the would not remain in business.
Reading this past April Stereophile article by John Atkinson, The Upward Price Spiral, made me think of a couple of things. One, the fact that high end prices keep going, well, up, and two, how do the normal people, the new middle class and the others who are not of the upper end clientle, provide service and support to the elite clientle? Instead of trying to keep up with the "Jone's" or "Warren Buffet's", we should think of things that can be offered that will sell and is attractive to all across the price spectrum. Granted, money is a determinant in many buying decisions, except for the elite, but, when a product that is viable for all, then it will sell. The question is, when will people feel comfortable spending money again? I believe the key here is to be innovative and let genuine and creative thinking be the determinant. Hey, if someone can get rich selling coupons, then I believe we can think of something that would generate enough interest to sell. Then again, their is always the chance that the price will steadily increase until only the elite clientle can afford it, then the whole process will have to happen all over again. Just some ramblings, from a wannabe optimist.
The figures quoted are guesstimates.
Everything thereafter is a guess.
How do you reconcile retail sales to wholesale turnover?
How, and at what rate, is currency conversion calculated?
I think you will find the CES figure is nothing more than a guess.
IMHO I think there is more great sounding audio gear available to consumers than ever before.
Market Reports;
also see;
Research and Markets states the US market for audio and video is 7 Billion and the top 50 companies have 90% of the total revenue.
...Do you really believe there are accurate figures coming out of China & South-East Asia?
Nothing you linked encouraged me to believe anything in the US is anything but a guess also.
You initially stated the numbers didn't appear to add up. Maybe because they don't! :o)
I wouldn't place much faith in statistics irrespective of how much they sell for.
Remember the GFC?
In the heavily regulated sector of banking & insurance the ratings agencies were charging thousands of dollars for analysis of companies, to the point of giving them 'AAA' ratings on the same day they collapsed, and getting it wrong by a magnitude of 1000%.
Accountants & auditors have enough trouble reconciling a single large company let alone a world-wide market segment.
For global numbers? Who knows? Different countries will collect data in various ways. I'd suspect that since most of this stuff is from 1st world countries, the numbers are there somewhere and available if you know who to ask and where to look.
In the US? Everybusiness falls into certain categories and numbers are taken from tax data and compiled.
It takes a real 'pro' to wade thru the data to find just what you want, but it CAN be done.
I'd start with the link I provided and start wading thru that morass..
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The problem is that you only have to be off by a half a billion or so on your initial numbers to invalidate any conclusion you might make. Some high end companies are privately held, so don't have to report anything about their sales, and that doesn't help either. In my 56 years on the planet I've only met a couple people that were into high end, and that was decades ago. And I know a lot of people from all walks of life. I can't even put myself in that category, as I DIY just about everything. Thus, I'm very skeptical about sales numbers. Nobody wants to admit that their business is closer to a lemonade stand, than an IBM.
I'm adding this sentence so I can say I have two paragraphs, though this is admittedly a short one with limited content.
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Wingate Audio was the first company to my knowledge that made a zero-feedback solid state power amp and preamp. I remember their ads on the inside back cover of TAS, and also remember a very positive review.
I didn't think much of it when I started Ayre (also making zero feedback solid state products) but about ten years later I found out that Steve Wingate patented his power amp and the schematic is available for free. The patent is expired now and it is quite a nice design with many original ideas.
I tried to contact him to find out more about his products in order to compile a more complete history of zero-feedback solid-state designs. He is apparently still alive but has problems with alcohol and possibly ended up in trouble due to obscene broadcasts on the ham radio bands.
I had no idea that he didn't sell a single unit in his first year! However, I have never seen a successful manufacturer of high-end audio that sold direct. (I'm not talking about one-man basement operations, nor companies with mid-fi leanings like Outlaw Audio.) But if you know more about the company, the man, or the design, I would love to hear from you. Thanks!
what about monarchy audio? they sell direct and have been doing so successfully for a long time.
many years ago. I don't recall where. I think it may have been the magazine Sounds Like; it just stuck with me is all.
Thanks. I'd love to see that. I have a complete set of Sounds Like, but I sure don't remember that. Maybe it was from Fi, as I don't think I have a full set of those.
I think it would be fascinating to find out how he arrived at that approach and that circuit. It would also be interesting to hear his take on why his company failed and what he might have done differently.
In any event, probably one of the under-appreciated designers of solid state equipment of all time.
into items being sold from his estate.
As regards the print interview of Mr. Wingate, all I can say is I must have read his interview in one of the magazines I subscribed to back in the early 1990s, perhaps someone else will recall which periodical it was that published the interview. It must have been in one of these, Stereophile, The Absolute Sound, HI Fi News, Sounds Like, Audio Amateur or Glass Audio. I also bought the occasional issue of Audio but I don't recall it being in that.
As to the fall of Wingate Audio it may have had to do with passing fads in the marketplace. As I recall at that time, mosfet amps were falling out of favor with audiophiles; being perceived, rightly or wrongly, as misty and grainy. The S.E.T. resurgence was just about to begin in the US having started a few years earlier in the Asian markets. Maybe it was just offering the right product at the wrong time?
I did a big internet search for him. He has a website (with the call letters of him ham radio license) that has not been updated in a while. There were usenet groups with many complaints against his on-the-air (apparently drunken) rants. There is a YouTube video where he strung his antenna through a neighbors yard including a foul-mouthed verbal confrontation. He has a Linked-In page that details his employment history with Wingate Audio. And there is a Facebook page (linked below). I sent several messages on the Facebook message system with no reply. I figured he was in jail or something. If he is now dead, that is truly a shame.
He clearly made a small, but important contribution to high-end audio and it would have been fascinating to speak with the man about it. Do you have a link to the obituary?
selling some items on ebay that he acquired from the Wingate estate.
Very helpful but also very sad. I was hoping that it was the wrong Steve Wingate who died. But that listing was very explicit.
His Facebook page only had 11 friends. I think he was tormented by alcohol for many years.
I would love to find somebody that knew the details of his work at Wingate Audio, but I'm afraid that has all died with him...
I met Steve Wingate at my dealer in St. Paul, House of High Fidelity. He was wilt Al Perkins if I remember right- you might ask him...
"However, I have never seen a successful manufacturer of high-end audio that sold direct."
Please define what you think is successful.
I don't want to get in argument here. I just am stating my observations, based on observing the high end audio industry for over thirty years.
Wingate Audio was a perfect example. They had one or two power amps and one or two preamps. They were well built, had a rave review in TAS when a rave review there could make a company's fortunes, nice looking, nice full-page color ads. Yet in a year they didn't sell a single amp (according to a source that may not be 100% reliable).
So why do you think they failed so miserably?
Or if you don't want to answer that question, why don't you give me some examples of successful companies (your definition, I won't argue with you unless you name one-man shows working from basements or garages). Perhaps there are a few I have overlooked, but the strong pattern I have seen is that they don't last more than a year or two.
When I was starting Avalon up, Conrad-Johnson started distributing a fine line of reasonably priced loudspeakers designed by Dave Fokos called Synthesis. Nice looking, great reviews, good sound, no problems that I know of. After a year or so they parted ways (I have no idea what happened nor why). Dave regrouped and started selling the speakers direct with a 30-day money back guarantee. Within a year he was out of business. I've seen the same pattern over and over and over.
Maybe I'm just looking for a certain pattern and missing a different one. Feel free to enlighten me.
I agree that, in the past, there were few successful direct sales only high end companies. However, there were at least a couple - Legacy Audio was direct sales only for many years.
I suspect that the direct model may be more viable on a going forward basis, due to the internet. Brick and mortar stores are dying off, so more and more gear is being sold by on line companies like Audio Advisor and Music Direct. It also helps that consumers can get so much information about pretty much any piece of gear from online forums such as this one. If those companies can sell on an on line only basis, there's no reason manufacturer direct can't.
The system I'm listening to right now was purchased entirely on line, except for some cables. Some of it was used or kits, but the amp, preamp, tonearm, cartridge, headphones, and CD recorder were all bought new online, from several different merchants.
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All of your arguments *sound* reasonable. But then you present Legacy Audio. There have been many that started off as direct sales only but then switched to dealers -- PS Audio is perhaps the most prominent example but there have been several others in the past decade. On the other hand Zu is the only company that went the other way. It is too soon to tell if they will survive.
I hope you got what you wanted through buying online. Even with a money-back guarantee it is something of a hassle to return it. Same for used. You can usually sell for close to what you paid (less the listing fees) but again the hassle factor raises its head. I don't think brick and mortar shops are going away anytime soon.
Think of it this way -- you could brew a nice cup of coffee at home for not very much money. Yet people line up to pay 20x or 30x as much to purchase it at their favorite local coffee shop. Why? Lots of reasons. Similar reasons exist around any luxury purchase.
And if I want to buy unless NAD or Paradigm it would be ordered online by the shop. And starbucks has closed 200 shops in the US alone doesn't sound like growth to me.
Been around over 12 years. No basement or garage work. Not just one man. To me the future is factory direct or internet marketing. Brick and mortar shops are dropping like flies. Ones left play it safe with name brands and little stock. When you purchase they order it online for you. Not trying to devalue the service a real store can offer but the ones I frequent are moving to HT or big name brands like B&W. Though I did convince my local shop to offer Ayre [your welcome]if I wanted to buy I would have to order it. So where are start ups or small manufacturing to go to sell product? Online is where. Demos will take place at audio shows or in home. Every year more people change to online shopping this is only going to grow. Why limit ones sales to fixed stores that's such dated thinking.
You seem to forget the companies outside USA. Linn do USD 27 million, Cambridge with Morduant-Short, Gale and Opus do similar, and there are bigger companies like IAG and B&W.
companies worldwide.
One comes to two possible scenarios. Either the small concerns worldwide are making an abysmally smaller revenue than I had originally projected or there must be vastly more revenue generated than is generally accounted for in the market reports pertaining to High-End audio?
Both of your scenarios can co-exist due to a third reason.
Many new companies survive for 3-10 years due to owners/investors funding.
They never make a profit. They invested assuming a larger demand than the market can sustain.
In some cases High End Audio is a tax deduction hobby for the owner of a rich company, doing other business.
Another case is Harman, who accepted a loss on their store sold products, because 2/3 of turnover was car audio. They got more profits from car audio parts, due to the fame of the brands, like JBL.
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I have just read a very interesting article in the newspaper about Reggie Bush. After the Trojans rout against Stanford, he openly said he would love to go to New York. With an aging Curtis Martin, Bush wouldn't be such a bad idea although we have many holes to fill in our offense through the draft. Bush would be an exciting playmaker for the Jets and give the lackluster offense new life. I think we definitely could fill our offensive line needs in the free agency. Leinart is a great decision but will probably go to the Cardinals. Sports analysts have already said they don't believe Leinart will be successful in the pros(though I beg to differ and think he is the next, maybe better Carson Palmer). Coles will come through at wideout I promise you. Coles had a better breakout year than Moss. Coles had 15 more receptions and 159 more yards though Moss had twice as many TDs(10). We also lost one of the best special teams players in the game when we traded Moss but Bush is an excellent return specialist that could give us a breathtaking, no risk of fumbles ability at punt returner. We must be careful not to wear him out, and that's where Derrick Blaylock and Cedric Houston come in. As with the QB situation, I dream of having Philip Rivers because I think he is a special player that has the talent and potential to be a superstar. But as much as I like Rivers, Abraham is more important. He is a playmaker through and through and what Coach Edwards said, "He can win the game for you" is certainly not an understatement. But what about Shaun Ellis. Sure he has a "perfect attendance" shall we say, but he is not nearly as explosive as Abraham. He is a lot of money and it could take pressure off our salary cap. Whether it is Abraham or Ellis leaving the team, we have Brian Thomas, our ex-first round draft pick waiting to prove himself. To the QB situation, Pennington is not the young 26 year old he was in 2002. He is now 30 and injury prone, never playing a full season in his career. I think one more chance would be risky but senseable. People doubt he could play these days but he put up great numbers in 2004 before tearing that rotator cuff in Buffalo. One more chance for him to prove himself and show he's worth $64 million and that he is truly the franchise quarterback. To our defense now. Henderson's unit is 30th in the league against the run, probably because of the loss of NT Ferguson and injury to LB Barton. Drafting a DT in the 2nd round of the 2006 draft sounds reasonable. Legree is a waste of precious cap space and should be cut. But beyond stats, our front eight on the defensive side of the ball is tremendous. Robertson is only 24 and beginning to show improvement. It is only a matter of time before he breaks out. Vilma is undoubtedly the best performing player in 2005 for this team. Any doubts in my mind of drafting him instead of LB D.J. Williams are long gone out of my head. He is truly the best draft pick to come out in years with the Jets. He is certainly having no sophomore slump and has the talent and potential to be the next Ray Lewis in the near future. Not only has he been fighting off blocks with the loss of Ferguson and still making 97 tackles as of November 9th, but he also has an interception and a forced fumble. He will be the team MVP and earn a trip to Hawaii. Him, Hobson, Coleman, Robertson, Strait, and Miller are definitely the future look of the defense in the next few years. And I think kicker Mike Nugent will eventually come through for all those with doubts on him. Now my question is who will the New York Jets draft, QBs Vince Young or Marcus Vick, RBs Reggie Bush or DeAngelo Williams, or OT Eric Winston. I can't get a definite answer out of anybody and would love to hear your thoughts and opinions. Also if anyone has thoughts, agreements, or disagreements with my opinions in this quote, I would love to hear them because it is important to me to know this organizations future. Respond ASAP.
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we really need a rb so i think that we should get DeAngelo Williams. If Bush is available take him but i doubt that. the jets schedule for the rest of the year is tough so i say we win one game at Miami. we go 3-13 and get 4th pick(texans, Packers, 49ers). We will either get a RB or an OT. I'd prefer to take the RB becuz the jets need a playmaker and the OT wont do it. the jets usually have a good draft so all we really need is an Olinemen, RB, DT, and a WR. moss was ten times better than coles was even though coles had better stats moss never caught the ball. Last year i thinkl he caught the ball around 40 times and he still had 825 yards around. he is doin the same this year except he is getting the ball more. Thats all we needed to do. we need a new oline from free agency i think and maybe lendale white in the second round if we get an OT or DT in the 1st
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I def agree with everything you said shavedaeyebrow2 with the exception of moss being better than coles. I seem to be defending coles a lot lately but I think that trade was good for both teams. Moss is def more explosive than coles but I still don't like his game that much. He doesn't go over the middle or make many tough catches. I don't think i've ever seen him make a catch where I was like "wow." He's good in space and is a deep threat but I prefer WR who can do it all. Coles isn't quite the deep threat but makes up for it in toughness and he can make catches that have a high degree of difficulty. And I also think Coles is more consistent. So I don't think we need to worry about WR right now. We have much bigger problems.
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I also agree coles is the better reciever, but its clear that moss is more explosive, and the redskins play calling is way superior to that of hackets and dingers combine. Coles is fast, theres no question hes got breakaway speed but the jets simply dont call plays to utilize it.
As far as the future, well heres how i think the jets need to go. They need a QB. Not a scrub from another team whose on the bench, they need an arm, and a field general. I predict the jets at 3-13 which could range there pick from 2-4, if they dont win another game well then they have #1 or #2 definatly. IF and only IF leinart is available, i think they should take him. That makes the future alot brighter. With the Jets over the cap they need to make cuts and trades. Ellis is worht a 1st round pick for a team who needs a solid defensive starter. That wil free up cap room, and allow the Jets to make a play at a running back late in the draft. Possibly Lendale white. Also abraham could be resigned. Next the Jets need to release ty law. Miller an Strait can step in and play well, law is old and he has shown to be very strong and coverage but a horrible tackler. Martin has been a pleasure to have the past 7 years but im afraid his time is over. Pennington too. Either he takes a massive pay cut, or he can find himself a new job. I honestly wish we could trade him for a second round pick if we could get that high. Fabini will also be gone. He just cant handel anyone anymore. This will free up enough cap room to make a play at new free agent OL, and allow the jets to sign a qb and running back if they can draft them. Having leinart and lendale white would be a dream, and the offensive line is very fixable. DT is also a concern. I would like to see the jets get a 2nd round DT. I dont think all the problems this team has a fixable in the offseason. If they can get a good qb, and first round rb, without the expense of more then ellis or abraham then they are in good shape. Unfortunatly our GM is horrible, so prepare for the worst offseason in history. I hate to say it but Bradway is the problem, its not herm. Bradway makes the worst Gm i have ever seen who panics on draft day. The guy has no back up plans and makes the worst deals. I wouldnt be surprised if he trades the first round pick for an OT or something like he did last year for Jolley. Brace yourselfs jets fans, its going to get even uglier, im very sorry to say.
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yea I agree. I don't like our GM. He makes bad moves. Here's what we need to do. We should just lose all the game for the rest of the Season, there's no point in trying to win any games because we all know that the Jets' season is over. So we need to finish 2-14 and try to get a top 5 pick (which i'm 90% sure will happen) then we need to draft Matt Leinart. The reason we need Leinart is because our other options are Patrick Ramsey, Matt Shaub, or Phillip Rivers. I don't trust these guys because they all sit on the bench and did not play well enough in College to be drafted as a top 10 pick in 1st round in the draft. Phillip Rivers was drafted 4th overall by the Giants but he didn't deserve it. He was supose to go somewhere between the 10th pick and 20th. The only reason the Giants drafted him was to set up the Eli Manning trade with the Chargers. Everyone needs to understand that when you want to go out and get yourself a Franchise QB to the your QB of the future, you want to make sure you get the BEST possible QB that you can get. And at this point... the BEST possible QB that we can get is Matt Leinart. He's going to be much better than Patrick Ramsey, Phillip Rivers, and Matt Shaub. In fact, he going to be much better than Alex Smith and Arron Rodgers also. He's one of the best QB's to come out of college in many years. The last 2 QB's that were drafted that are going to be successfull in the NFL were Eli Manning and Big Ben Rothlisburger. It's very hard and very rare to find a QB who you know will be successfull in the NFL. That's why I think we should not waste our time and draft Matt Leinart. If the Texans and 49ers pick before the Jets.... the 49ers will take Reggie Bush and the Texans will either take an offensive linemen, wide reciever, or defensive player. They don't need a QB or running back. David Carr is very good if he has a good offensive line and Dominick Davis is there Running back for the next 4 or 5 years. The 49ers have Alex Smith and there's no chance that they will pass on Reggie Bush... everyone is 100% sure they will get Bush. That leaves Leinart for the Jets. Then I think we should grab a DT in the 2nd round. Our offensive line can be fixed with free agency. There are good offensive linemen available every single year in free agency. That should be no problem. I really want to draft Lendale White before somebody else takes him. I agree with you when you said having Matt Leinart and Lendale White on the Jets team would be a dream. That would create one of the best QB - RB - WR Group in the NFL. With Matt Leinart, Lendale White, and Laverneous Coles, we would actually have playmakers on offense. Obviously we will have to make some cuts or make some trades to free up salary cap space. But that won't be a problem.
Ohh and I think the Salary Cap increases every year. I think it goes up by $5 Million every year. So I think we will have extra money to keep some of our players in we won't have to make many cuts. Right now the salary cap for the NFL is at $85 Million I think. I think this offseason it will go up to $90 Million or $95 Million. If that happens, we can keep all of our talent. Right now we have about $4 in cap space left. It can be up to $9 this offseason if the NFL increases the Cap. If this happens, we only need to Cut Lance Legree and James Reed, Cut a few old guys from our offensive line. And we'll be fine. I think Ty Law might not be cut because he's gauranteed to much money. He's getting $6 million a year.
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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:24 pm
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I truly am hoping to get leinart. But as ive said im all about completely gutting this team, and replacing old slow guys with younger faster guys, as they did in 2004 after the 2003 season. I really dont think herm is the problem. its that the offense is old and slow, and we need a run stuffer. Hopefully Bradway sees that ellis and pennington are taking too much cap room up, and a possible trade should not be over looked. they really should just try and start players for the rest of this season who they think are going to be apart of next years revamped team. Maybe even try to run Cedric Houston a little more, just to get a feel. Maybe well find a starter somewhere on the bench. But if the Jets are 2-14 i can garentee a top 3 pick. i would much rather the number 1 overall pick however because if the texans get the first pick, i can garentee they trade down. so hopefully greenbay san fran and houston start winnning some games for the jets sake.
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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:23 pm
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yea I hope we can find some starters that are sitting on the bench right now. I don't know about Sione Pouha... our 3rd round pick this year out of Utah. He's huge.. 6'03" 325 Pounds. But I don't think he will develop into a starter. I think the Jets drafted him to add some depth to the DT or NT position. I really want Jerricho Cotchery to be our number 3 Slot reciever. He played well in college and I heard he broke some of Torry Holt's records at North Carolina State. In my opinion, that's good enough to get a chance to prove that you can be a starter. He was our 3rd round pick last year. Also I don't know about our right tackle Adrian Jones... he's only 296 pounds. The Jets have the lightest offensive line in the NFL in terms of total combined weight for all 5 guys on the offensive line. We need some BIG guys to become our new starers on the O-line, but i think that can be taken care of with free agency. I have the feeling if we can take care of these small problems, we'll be back in the playoffs and we'll be a dangerous team. We have so much talent on this team and we just need to learn how to use it.
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:50 pm
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I HOPE WE CAN SOME HOW GET THE FIRST OVERALL PICK AND TRADE DOWN FOR 2 FIRST ROUNDERS WITH THEM WE SHOULD GET VINCE YOUNG FROM TEXAS(PROVIDED HE COMES OUT) WHO HAS ARM STRENGTH AND CAN RUN WITH DECENT HEIGHT FOR AN NFL QUARTERBACK AS WELL AND I BELIEVE WILL BE BETTER THAN MATT LIENART IN THE FUTURE. I READ SOMEWHERE LIENART HAD MAJOR SHOULDER SURGERY IN HIGH SCHOOL AND JUST REENTLY HAD SURGERY ON HIS THROWING ELBOW AS WELL SO HE MAY BE ANOTHER VOUNERABLE QB AS WELL. vINCE YOUNG IS ALSO MORE MOBILE SO HE COULD EVADE THE PRESSURE ALLOWED BY THE CURRENTLY POOR OFENSIVE LINE ESPECIALLY FABINI. THEN WE SHOULD PICK UP DEANGELO wILLIAMS WHO I THINK IS A BETTER RUNNINGBACK THAN LAURENCE MAURUNEY BECAUSE THE REST OF HIS TEAM IS HORRIBLE AND THEY ARE STARTING A FORMER WR AT QB AND STILL GETTING RUN PRODUCTION WHEN PEOPLE PLAY TO STOP HIM WHILE LAURENCE MAUROONEY RUNS BEHAIND AN EXCELLENT OFFENSIVE LINE WHICH MAY LEAD TO HIS BACK UP GAING 1000 YARDS ON THE SEASON AS WELL
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:36 pm
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I would LOVE that. I just want 2 first round picks, or 1 first round pick and 2 second rounders. I want Vince YOung very badly. And if DeAngelo falls i would love him too. If he doesn't and Maroney or Lendale white does, then 1 of the two would be amazing. but bradway is horrible and would probably trade our first rounder for like philip rivers who has played like 3 snaps. Young is going to be the better michael vick, and a new RB would be perfect for this team. Hopefully bradway realizes this.
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 10:15 pm
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Wow the scariest thing you all have been saying about the GM Terry Bradway is that they are all right. This guy is clearly stupid and simply to say, an idiot. He is too scared to release veterans and is "allergic" to making big deals and signings. I could plainly see Philip Rivers being traded for their precious 1st round pick. Many times, he was unable to sign a big free agent and has had to settle with someone not as good. For example, during the offseason after the 2003 season, he was unable to sign corners Ahmed Plummer or Antoine Winfield. Instead, he had to settle for David Barrett, paying him an unreasonable amount of $ to the CB who has played inconsistenly. I will give him Santana Moss and Jonathon Vilma. But Brian Thomas, Jon McGraw, Justin Mcareins, Derrick Blaylock, and Doug Jolley were all bonehead moves. Not re-signing LaMont Jordan or Kareem McKenzie were dumb moves. Hopefully, his instincts will tell him to take any of the above in the poll except OL Winston. We need playmakers and getting an offensive lineman just won't cut it.
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:04 pm
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Yeah thats all very true. hes a scared man who cant handle being the jets GM. But the barrett move endedup working. Barrett has so much talent. He coveres well he hits, and he can tackle, and he has nice size. i love barrett, so even though we couldnt get winfield barrett ended up being the better corner anyway. If Bradway makes another horrible move i simply will not be a jets fan. and for me to say that is insane. I am as die hard as they come but this guy takes that all away. This better be a good offseason or Bradway better committ suicide.
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:41 pm
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Someone needs to light a fire under his A$$ because i definitely believe now that we should go after that spark plug. I know i have been saying that we need O-line help, but forget that lets go after game changer, and i definitely think that shaun ellis is not the man anymore we need to keep Abraham.
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:11 pm
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I don't think they are going to get rid of Shaun Ellis. He just signed a new deal before the season started and the Jets owe him a lot of money because of the Gauranteed money they signed him with. So if they trade him... they will be taking a HUGE Cap hit... and that's something they don't want because they need as much money as possible for the next few years to rebuild the offense. Trust me... getting rid of Ellis won't solve any of our problems. Don't worry though... this time they won't screw up... I'm 100% sure we will have a very good off-season. We're going to get a new Franchise starting QB (from the draft or from a trade with a team) ... we're also going to get a new Franchise starting Running Back... we're going to sign a lot of free agents to Fix our offensive line... and our defense already has so much talent. The reason the defense is not playing well right now is because our defensive coordinator Donnie Henderson is not making the right calls and he's making bad decisions... he's making them Blitz at the wrong time.... and he's letting teams Run all over us by making our linebackers move back and try to stop the passing play when their main job is to stop the offense from Running the ball. Trust me i've been watching every game and paying close attention to what mistakes our defensive coordinator has been making. It's not the defenses fault... it's Donnie Henderson's fault for making such bad calls. Last year we had the Number 7 Ranked defense the entire year... and that's pretty good. This year we have one of the worst Rushing Defenses in the NFL because Donnie Henderson is not making them stop the Run... he's making them stop the pass only. He needs to fix himself up and make sure we are a very good defense once again next year. Don't worry Jets fans... Jets are going to be fine next year. Our season is over this year because Chad Pennington can't stay healthy... he's going to take a pay cut and lose his starting Job to whoever will be our New QB next year... then we'll be on our way to the playoffs. Trust me I know this... we have too much talent on this team to waste. We'll be back next year to Dominate...we're taking over he AFC east next year... Just watch.
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:38 am
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I hope your right. Remember just are under a tight cap as it is. They HAVE to make pay cuts. It would be best if martin gets released, along with fabini sowell legree reed and law. Miller will fill in for law and flourish. Since Ellis is a jet for the next 5 years, i think the jets have no choice but to tag abraham and trade him for either a first round or more or a QB like brees (no rivers that would be the biggest mistake ever). They need a new RB thats for certain, and QB is just obvious.
As for donnie H well...the guy is a good defensive coordinater. Hes going to step it up, because the guy is a competiter and he cant stand losing. He needs to be more aggressive on third downs, to get his defense off the field. Jets need to get more pressure on the QB and with ends like abraham and ellis they should have1 sack a game each.
Because abraham will be somewhere else next year, its not such a bad idea that the jets start give bryan thomas more reps. He'll fill in for abraham nicely.
The adjustments are simply. Its time to get busy though.
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:48 pm
Post subject: I am a huge Jet fan
I spend many tireless hours thinking about my once beloved J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS. They need help on the offensive side of the ball.
Adrian Jones is a quality lineman. Is he a franchise LT? I'm not sure, but he is atleast a quality RT. Kendell is old and makes too much money, Mawae is an amazing lineman, we should keep him around for a little bit longer, but just add some death behind "Goodwin" at the center position. RG is going to be Brandon Moore for a long time. Fabini should start packing his bags. Chris Baker has shown promise. Doug Jolley is a waste -- if our OL gets better we could use him though -- he can't block. Dreissen is also going to be a good player -- they signed a free agent basketball player to their practice squad, in a year or so he could become GATES 2.0.
Curtis Martin should either take a pay cut, or be cut. He is too old and too often injured. Blaylock is not the answer, however is a good player to have on ones team. Cedric Houston, the former Volunteer star is going to be part of our future. They should have him play in tandem with their first round pick this year, first overall Reggie Bush. This guy is a phenom. Think about how Vick can change a game with his legs, now think of a guy being able to do that from both the RB and WR positions. You can have him do anything, much like L.T., and he will be explosive. He is a little small so you probably would want to keep his carries down around 20 until he bulks up, and have him split time with houston. The jets need life. They need to be explosive -- that is the problem with our offense. Our O-line is shot and there are no "game changing" players.
QB is a position of great debate. People say "Pennington's career is over" and that he is never going to be the same QB. He will be. Although he is 30 his body hasn't played that much football, a few injuries yes, but nothing that a body can't come back from. This of Rich Gannon, he was nearly 40 and still near the top of the AFC in passer rating, pennington will one day lead us to the superbowl. Jay Fielder is a great backup. We need someone better than Bollinger to be number 3. That guy sucks. DISCLAIMER
The only instance in which we take a QB is if it is a Vick. Marcus Vick is a much better passer than his older brother, and will probably be a "BETTER?" pro than older bro.
Sowell is old and costs a lot of money, let him go and promote BJ Askew.
On Defense they need to get rid of some "excess baggage". They need a DT to play opposite Robertson, and they should dispose of either Ty Law or David Barret in order to make room for Justin Miller. Hell, maybe get rid of the both of them and promote Derek Strait as well. Draft a CB in the 3rd round to play nickel, and they will be gold. IDK -- personally i would probably keep Law. He is bad [inappropriate/removed]. At safety we have two starters for several years in Kerry Rhodes and Eric Coleman. LB will be better when Barton comes back, and we have an extra DE. Ellis should be the odd man out, he has much more value than Bryan Thomas, and isn't playing much better than the ladder would be. I would try to trade him for either a 1 or 2.
In the Draft (expecting us to get either pick 1 or 2) --
Round 1- Reggie Bush RB USC
Round 1a- Marcus McNeill OT AUBURN (If we can trade a Shaun Ellis for him we will be happy as a pig in slop. This guy is GINORMOUS and helped pave the way for both Cadillac and Ronnie Brown in college. He would be a franchise LT that would allow us to move Adrian Jones to a guard position that he is more suited for.
Round 2- Rodrique Wright DT Texas He has the potential to be great, leading for us to have the TOP D-line in the league. Him and Robertson will make a nasty pair, with Abraham and Thomas??? on the outside. Hopefully he falls to around pick 33. He could though as his College season hasn't been outstanding. He just needs to be motivated.
Round 3- QB-- There is that guy Croyle from Alabama-- he has a history of injuries, but we have had a history of good quarterbacks w/ injuries from alabama (NAMATH).
Round 4- OG -- that would mean our O-LINE would be Mcneil LT, This guy LG, Mawae C, Moore RG, Jones RT... I like this line.
Round 5- C
Round 6- CB
Round 7- WR
We draft a new OL, a new RB, and a backup QB/QB of future if need be. We don't need to spend anything in Free Agency, we make cap room for next year. We need youth, not to overpay for other teams used players.
Prediction Jets 12-4 next year w/ easy schedual&retooled offense.
I was at the Dolphins-Jets Monday night game that was voted the best ever. I am just that great.
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BERLIN (Reuters) - Exports and private consumption helped Germany to keep growing in the third quarter of 2012, albeit at a slower rate than previously, as Europe's largest economy felt the pinch of the euro zone crisis.
The Federal Statistics Office on Friday confirmed its initial estimate that German gross domestic product growth slowed 0.1 percentage points to 0.2 percent in the three months to end-September.
The breakdown showed exports supported growth in the third quarter, rising 1.4 percent, while government spending gained 0.4 percent and private consumption was up 0.3 percent.
Germany held up strongly during the first two years of the debt turmoil that has hammered Europe but a slide of a number of the continent's economies into recession and a worsening global outlook has prompted companies to hold off on investments.
The seasonally-adjusted data showed gross capital investment made no contribution to German growth in the third quarter.
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The Hard Truth About Cops Who Lie
Nationwide, the spread of amateur video footage recording police arrests and sometimes the deaths of civilians has cast a harsh light not just on use of force but on officer credibility. Repeatedly, footage has shown the police narrative of incidents to be at best inaccurate.
Last year, New York City's Civilian Complaint Review Board flagged as many officers for making false statements as it had in the previous four years combined. And the CCRB reports that it's on pace to have more such cases this year.
With the ongoing national and local discussion about criminal justice reform, WNYC spent five months looking at the issue of police officer credibility to see how often the NYPD's 35,000 officers are found to distort the truth and what happens to them after.
A review of more than a thousand criminal and civil court cases, and interviews with dozens of attorneys, turned up more than 120 officers with at least one documented credibility issue over the past 10 years. These are mostly officers whose testimony a state or federal judge called unbelievable. Some have apparent fabrications exposed in lawsuits or other records. It's an incomplete list because state law makes police disciplinary records confidential, and state criminal cases are sealed if the case is dismissed even when it's due to police misconduct.
Most of these officers stayed on the force. Records show at least 54 went on to make more than 2,700 arrests after the date their word was challenged.
Jonathan Abel is a former fellow at the Stanford Constitutional Law Center who studied access to police disciplinary records across the country.
"There's just such high stakes that come with an officer's testimony and people really have been sent to prison and to their death based on the assumption that officers are telling the truth. So it's critically important that they be honest. That's just like a job requirement," Abel said.
To be sure, most officers on the 35,000-member force testify without ever raising any doubts.
Most of the officers we identified had one adverse credibility finding, and that in itself doesn't mean an officer is a liar. We don't know what else is on their record because disciplinary files are confidential.
"We take very seriously at the NYPD any allegation that an officer has testified falsely or even incorrectly," said Lawrence Byrne, the Deputy Commissioner for Legal Matters.
"It's very important that we get the facts right."
Still, in some cases the NYPD ignored red flags regarding an officer's trustworthiness. And the department failed to put in place fixes recommended for years.
The stakes couldn't be higher. When an officer distorts the truth, violent criminals can walk free and innocent people can go to prison. More broadly, it undermines trust in the system.
"There seems to be a big question about faith and confidence in law enforcement not only here in New York City but throughout the country," said Michael Palladino, president of the Detectives' Endowment Association. "So, when an officer gets caught in a lie — a willful lie — it's a violation of our oath.
"But…cops are human too, and the amount of cases that they handle has to be taken into consideration," Palladino said. "Especially when they're asked two, three, four or as many as five years later to recall the specifics of a particular case."
A Perjury Charge in the Bronx
Two men were loitering in the lobby of a Bronx apartment building on a Monday afternoon in July 2012 when they caught the attention of an aggressive NYPD narcotics unit monitoring drug dealing in the area. A sergeant in the unit ordered them to step outside.
Detective Greg Larsen later testified that one of the men, Cleveland White, threw an orange prescription bottle full of oxycodone on the ground. Larsen arrested him for drug possession. It seemed like a routine bust for Larsen and the unit, which racked up arrests in buy-and-bust operations throughout the borough.
White denied the charges but it was his word against Larsen's. Or so the police thought.
A security camera on the building captured the incident and showed White wasn't holding drugs in his hand and never threw a pill bottle on the ground.
The charges were dismissed and White filed a lawsuit alleging cops planted the drugs. He's back in prison on an unrelated drug case and wasn't available for an interview.
As for Larsen, a grand jury indicted him for perjury in May 2014. The Bronx District Attorney's Office is quietly prosecuting the case and the charges have never been reported until now.
In court filings, Larsen — who was a first-responder to the World Trade Center on 9/11 — said he was exhausted and handling paperwork for too many cases when he made the false statements. His criminal defense attorney declined to comment because it's an active case, and advised Larsen not to talk for this story.
Records show Larsen has been sued at least 16 times, most including allegations of false arrest and brutality. Half of those lawsuits were filed before the arrest that led to the perjury charges. He's also been the subject of civilian complaints for excessive force and abuse of authority, and was disciplined twice by the department.
Also in 2014, the NYPD conducted an internal disciplinary trial related to the White arrest and found Larsen guilty of making false statements.
In November 2014 — six months after his indictment — the department tribunal recommended the commissioner not fire Larsen immediately and instead place him on probation. In the recommendation, Deputy Commissioner for Trials Rosemarie Maldonado cited three other cases where officers made false statements in court and were allowed the keep their jobs.
In December 2014, Commissioner William Bratton – who just months earlier had vowed to root out bad cops – overruled the recommendation and fired Larsen.
The NYPD declined to talk about the Larsen case, or any case involving specific officers.
Palladino, head of the detective's union, didn't know about the charges against Larsen. But he said even in the rare cases where a detective faces criminal perjury prosecution, the officer is often vindicated.
"In many cases we are acquitted after a trial. So it just goes to show you, that just because the allegation is raised doesn't really mean the detective is guilty or not," Palladino said.
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The Larsen case is an extreme example — officers rarely face perjury charges. More common are the routine questions raised in court about an officer's credibility. Judges complain, for instance, that officers tailor their testimony to overcome objections about the legality of a search — for example, alleging drugs were sitting in plain sight when really they were hidden in a car's glove compartment.
Such shading of the truth was once so prevalent it spawned its own term: "testilying."
That's a bit of police vernacular for giving false testimony. It joined the popular lexicon in the mid-1990's, when the Mollen Commission investigated police corruption. The commission found that lying was one of the most pervasive forms of malfeasance in the department, and helped breed an atmosphere where more serious wrongdoing could occur.
"The idea of 'testilying' is that officers will lie in order to do what they think is a greater good, which is to get these perpetrators behind bars," said Professor John Eterno, an associate dean at Molloy College and head of the school's graduate criminal justice program. "But in fact what they are doing is violating the constitution and violating the law. And really what I would call violating the social contract between the people and the police."
He calls it the 'Dirty Harry' syndrome, after the 1970's Clint Eastwood film where a cop uses extra-legal means to get the bad guys.
After the Mollen Commission, in 1996, the NYPD adopted a zero tolerance policy requiring termination for any officer who made a false official statement unless there was an exceptional circumstance. In 2005 the department watered it down so only "intentional" false statements about a "material" matter would get a cop fired. The mere denial of an allegation would not be considered a false statement.
Bottom line: Officers don't get fired very often for making false statements. In its most recent annual report, released late last year, the Commission to Combat Police Corruption — a permanent body formed in the wake of the Mollen Commission — identified 59 disciplinary cases involving a false official statement where the officer was found guilty. Of those, 41 kept their jobs.
Dick Dadey, executive director of Citizens Union, a good government group, said the department should bring back the zero tolerance policy.
"It undermines the public trust in the police department when officers are let off the hook for filing false statements," Dadey said.
"The police department has a credibility problem right now with the community. What does that mean to other police officers into the future? That it's not important to comply with this law and so sloppiness comes into the system. People aren't as careful about the things that they say because they're not going to be held accountable if they make a mistake or say something incorrect or lie about it."
Minding the Gaps
The department has a mock courtroom at its academy to train new recruits on testifying, said Byrne, the NYPD's Deputy Commissioner for Legal Matters. A Quality Assurance Division helps ensure paperwork is accurate. And Internal Affairs aggressively investigates allegations of false statements.
He also points out that a subjective decision by a judge doesn't necessarily reflect on an officer's character.
"Because someone doesn't remember all the details exactly correctly four or five years after an incident doesn't mean they're lying, doesn't mean they're trying to shade the truth. It just means they honestly don't recall the details," Byrne said.
But he also acknowledges gaps in oversight.
In criminal cases, there's often a hearing where a judge decides whether to admit or suppress evidence. It's one of the only times a neutral party publicly assesses the credibility of a police officer. Three-quarters of the officers on WNYC's list had their testimony deemed not credible after one of these hearings.
Among them were officers in about two-dozen federal cases where a judge let a convicted felon caught carrying a gun walk free. In those cases there appeared to be no dispute the defendant was carrying a gun. Rather, judges often determined officers were lying to cover up an illegal search. The judge tossed the evidence under the Fourth Amendment, which protects against illegal searches and seizures.
"Often when judges make those findings it never comes to the attention of the NYPD, or in fact the officer herself or himself," Byrne said.
He said the NYPD is working with all of the prosecutors' offices in the city on an automated system so the department will get the findings for review.
"That's an additional piece of information that we will now look at and decide whether it merits further action. And further action may not be disciplinary action. It may be that the officer just didn't understand what she was supposed to do when she testifies and got something wrong so it might be a retraining issue," Byrne said. "Obviously, if it's deliberate perjury we're going to pursue that very vigorously with departmental disciplinary charges."
That automated system has been a long time coming: the Commission to Combat Police Corruption recommended it back in 1999. Byrne said he doesn't know why it has taken so long, but he's hoping to get it up and running soon.
Records show that even when the department does know about a credibility issue, it doesn't always take an officer off the street.
In 2012, a Bronx police officer, a 20-year veteran named Luis Rios, pleaded guilty to internal NYPD disciplinary charges that he embellished facts about an on the job injury, made false accusations against coworkers and misled Internal Affairs investigators, according to court records. The plea followed earlier disciplinary issues where he fell asleep on the job and had unapproved outside employment, the records show.
Yet he was allowed to stay on the street and continue making arrests. Legal Aid represented 48 people he arrested after that 2012 plea. Tina Luongo, attorney-in-charge of Legal Aid's criminal practice, said her attorneys didn't know about that record until May of this year, when one of his cases landed in federal court and prosecutors there disclosed the disciplinary history to federal defenders. The federal judge in that case found Rios' testimony not believable.
That's when it became public. Rios did not respond to a request for comment and the NYPD would not discuss a specific case.


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Mohegan Lake Audi's Internet Manager gives readers a humorous peek behind-the-scenes working at the dealership.
For more proof that the truly creative are unstoppable, here's the work of Z. Szymanski, Internet Manager for Mohegan Lake Audi in New York. Not content with the normal dry writing that describes most used cars in classified ads, Szymanski has interwoven short stories into dozens of ads for pre-owned Audi's the dealership has posted which ironically make fun of selling used Audis. Jalopnik has selected a few of examples which chronicle the behind the scenes goings-on of many of the employees at Mohegan Lake Audi. Here's an example which features the author:
Recently some of my writings were read at an Audi Used Vehicle training meeting… really!! And… I wasn't thrilled that they referred to the writings as 'over the top.' So first off, let me say that they Do Not have my permission to reread my writings and second… OVER THE TOP?? Let me tell you what's OVER THE TOP…. Audi giving me tickets to the Yankees vs. Detroit game.. and my seats are beyond the UTZ Sign… If I knew I was sitting there… I would have brought a 'P' with me to hang over the sign. So I will not accept any Yankee tickets… unless they are to the Audi Club… I will not accept anything less than Box Seats… I insist on preferred parking and I would like unlimited beverage refills. Non-negotiable… Not open for discussion. So now that I've ventilated… I will be PC.. this 7 passenger Q-7 is nice.. it is very nice. It is big… it is very big. It has leather.. leather on everything. it has Navigation.. I could have used Audi Navigation to find my Audi Seat in Yankee Sadium… backup camera.. so you can look at your back when you back up. It is Audi Certified.. so that means it's Certifed. It is a good buy.. it is a steal.. it is a big steal at $37,995. You should buy this Q-7. Written according to Audi CPO Guidelines. So now that everyone at Audi is happy… we are no longer 'over the top' but 'writing between the lines', when can I expect my NEW and IMPROVED Certified Audi Yankee tickets? And now because Mr. Paul our CPO (Big Shot) Manager wants to win two bleacher seats worth $30 to a Yankee game, he's dropped the price a cool $2000…makes good sense .. a $2000 reduction for $30 seats.
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text: you calling me a jackass. I never brag about my car on this forum. Ask anybody here. Trust me, I am quite capable of handling my ride, I should be after all the performance driving courses i have done. The reason I let loose a bit was because of the extreme situation which developed in that thread, and you needed to be put in your place. The mere fact that you think that you are unbeatable is laughable, I don't even think I am unbeatable and I know there is something faster that me out there. I just haven't faced it yet. I see you dont want to race anymore. haha. I think it would be best for everyone if you and your mates that crashed our normally very productive forum just left, and go to a S2000 forum and start breaking their balls about how your car is better.


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Here is a profile of the Extreme Day events:
-- The first three races will be contested on the turf course, allowing horseplayers to wager on an all-turf early daily double and pick three. Race one is a maiden special weight at five furlongs while races two and three are two-turn claiming events.
-- In addition, race three will be part of the "World's Fastest Daily Double." Both races have a scheduled post time of 1:49 p.m. Eastern. Horses in race three will travel one mile on turf, while the field for race four will simultaneously go six furlongs on the main track.
-- Race five, "The Harrison Half," will be a race within a race. The "winner" of race five will actually be the leader at the half-mile pole of race six, a conditioned claiming race at one mile on the main track. Calder will offer win and exacta wagering on "race five" and a full wagering menu on race six.
-- Caller One, winner of the 2002 Dubai Golden Shaheen (UAE-I), will make his 2007 debut in race seven, the $50,000 Rocket Man Stakes at two furlongs. The gelded 10-year-old son of Phone Trick ran in the Rocket Man the last three years, having finished third in 2004, second in 2005, and fifth in 2006.
He will face a stern challenge from the defending champion and aptly named Rain Song, one of two females entered in the 2007 Rocket Man. The 6-year-old mare by Intensity prevailed in the slop in last year's Rocket Man. Last November, Rain Song captured the two-furlong Fast N' Furious Stakes during Calder's second Extreme Day in November. Prior to 2006, the Rocket Man was part of Calder's "Summit of Speed" card.
Calder will offer a "show quinella" on the Rocket Man. In order to cash, horseplayers will have to select two of the top three finishers. The show quinella will be a $5 minimum wager.
-- The two-mile, $50,000 Turf Marathon Handicap, race nine, will be at the opposite end of the distance spectrum. Golden Strategy, a group II winner in Panama, will make his third start in the United States and will try to carry his speed the full 16 furlongs.
-- Race nine, the $50,000 Methuselah Starter Handicap, is named for the Biblical figure said to have lived to the age of 969. The Methuselah Starter Handicap, a celebration of longevity, is a seven-furlong race for 5-year-olds and up.
-- The King George Wrong Way Starter Stakes, race 10, will be run clockwise on the turf course. The field will break from the gate on the backstretch and will pass the finish line twice in the 1 3/8-mile event.
-- Nine geldings have been entered in race 11, the $50,000 Gray Pride Starter Stakes. Entry is restricted to horses that are grey or roan in color.
Included among the Extreme Day festivities is the Jockey Sprint Race. First post is scheduled for 12:50 p.m. Eastern.


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DV is dead nuts on, but I would like to add a bit. Since I'm nver one to leave something alone, I thought I would throw my 2 cents in. If I were doing this, I would think back on what pistons I put in there. Also, shoot out the casting numbers of the heads so we can all see what the chamber size is. They could range anywhere from 58cc to 76cc.
If you remember having dished pistons you could opt for a decent set of heads with 58cc chambers...or at the very least, 64cc. If cost is a prohibitive factor, you could always grab a set of 305 HO heads like the 416s to bump up that compression. Yes, they will require some mods to be able to you use the cam you have.
I would also get a dist curve kit and use one silver spring and one blue spring to get mechanical advance all in by roughly 3000 rpm. If you can find someone who knows how, or you can research a way to do it yourself, you could limit the mech advance to about a 14* or 16* swing. @ at 16* swing, you could set your initial timing at 20* , use a 10* vac can to make that 30* and you'll have a WOT timing at about 36* above 3000 rpm.
That will give you a nice snappy little SBC. Now, if cost is a huge factor and performance is on the back burner, stab a stock-like cam in there, or the one that DV recommended, and call it a day.
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