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Thomas White Ferry
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Thomas White Ferry (June 10, 1827 – October 13, 1896) was a U.S. Representative and U.S. Senator from the state of Michigan.
Ferry was born in the old Mission House on Mackinac Island. The community on Mackinac at that time included the military garrison, the main depot of John Jacob Astor's American Fur Company, and the mission. His father was a Presbyterian pastor, the Rev. William Montague Ferry, and his mother was Amanda White Ferry; together his parents ran the mission school.
Rev. Ferry also was the pastor of the Protestant church on the island. Thomas moved with his parents to Grand Haven, Michigan, attended the public schools, and engaged in mercantile pursuits. He worked as a store clerk in Elgin, Illinois for two years from 1843 to 1845 before returning to Michigan.
He was a member of the Michigan State House of Representatives 1850-1852 and a member of the Michigan State Senate in 1856. On January 26, 1857, Ferry, with his father William Montague Ferry, platted the village of Ferrysburg, Michigan, which his father had first settled in 1834.
He was a delegate to the Loyalist Convention at Philadelphia in 1866. He was elected as a Republican to the United States House of Representatives for the 39th, 40th, and 41st Congresses, serving from March 4, 1865 to March 4, 1871. He was re-elected to the U.S. House for the 42nd Congress in the general election of November 8, 1870. The Michigan Legislature subsequently elected him to the U.S. Senate on January 18, 1871 and Wilder D. Foster was elected in a special election on April 4, 1871 to fill the vacancy in the House. Ferry was reelected to the Senate in 1877, and served from March 4, 1871 to March 4, 1883. He was an unsuccessful candidate for reelection in 1882. Ferry was the first person from Michigan to have served in both houses of the Michigan State Legislature and in both houses of the United States Congress. The second person to do so is Debbie Stabenow.
He served as President pro tempore of the Senate during the Forty-fourth and Forty-fifth Congresses and upon the death of Vice President Henry Wilson on November 22, 1875, Ferry was next in the line of presidential succession. He delivered an address as the presiding officer of the Philadelphia Centennial Exposition on July 4, 1876.
As the U.S. Constitution specifies that the President shall take the oath of office "before he enter on the execution of his office", Ferry always believed be had served for one day as President of the United States: March 4, 1877. As Ulysses Grant was no longer the President, and Hayes had not, at least in Ferry's view, assumed the office, he believed he was President. Ferry never knew, and neither did the public, that Hayes had taken the oath in a private ceremony held at the White House the day before, satisfying constitutional requirements and, for all legal purposes, becoming President on March 4.
While Senator, Ferry was chairman, Committee on Rules (Forty-third through Forty-fifth Congresses), Committee on Post Office and Post Roads (Forty-fifth and Forty-seventh Congresses). He presided over the high court of impeachment of U.S. Secretary of War William Belknap and over the sixteen joint meetings of the Electoral Commission during the Hayes-Tilden U.S. presidential electoral contest in 1877.
Ferry died in Grand Haven, Michigan, aged 69, and is interred in Lake Forest Cemetery.
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June 10, 1827
Mackinac Island, MI, USA
October 13, 1896
Age 69
New Haven, MI, USA
Lake Forest Cemetery Grand Haven Ottawa County Michigan


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gunbroker shows $60-$70 per 30 round mag. depending what you paid, you could pay for your rifle.
Hey guys I just bought a Norinco 84S underfolder and it came with, get this 40 magazines!!!!! I so don't need 40 mags. What are these babies going for? And where is the best place to sell them?
gunbroker shows $60-$70 per 30 round mag. depending what you paid, you could pay for your rifle.
Wow I didn't think there were some Many of those in one place these days
yes they sell for 40,60,75+ depending on the day on gunbroker. But.. are they original metal chinese mags? aftermarkets are not for me. and red bakalite conversions from ak 74 don't work for more than 15 rounds. nonetheless, you should really enjoy any ak in .223. i do.
Picture of mags??
Here are some of the magazines
yep, those are the good ones. keep enough for another gun. in 6 months or so, they will be around and without good mags. so , with mags to spare you should get the mag less guns at reduced prices.
Are there any currently available small cap magazines,for the chinese .223 rifles?.
Yes, but you will have to find them in the secondary market.
What I really meant was,are there any small mags that will fit.....not necessarily the Norinco mags.I used to have a saiga .223 but not sure if those are able to be used in the Norinco's...possibly not.BTW I have never seen the 40 rd mags pictured down here....only the 30 rounders,which are VERY hard to obtain now.
I have 2 of those rifles and also have a 5 round mag that is factory. I have several 40 rounders that I bought in Tucson, before the scare for $40 each. I'm thinking of putting a slide fire on one. BB
you should hang on to all those mags, they are very hard to find.
jjjxlr8, there are ChiCom 15-round .223Rem magazines floating around "out there" on the secondary market, as well as 10- and 5-rounders. There were a few 100-round .223Rem drums imported from China back in the 80s altho I've not seen one. The other denominations are far more common, of course.
Come to think of it, I've not seen any PolyTech .223Rem magazines rather all the ones of my acquaintance are NORINCO-"brand."
Hope this helps. A NORINCO .223Rem underfolder must be too kool for school. Great snag.
Back when I had a Norinco 84S in .223, I was able to make very workable mags using the red polymer/plastic 5.56 mags. All it required was a little Dremmel time by reshaping the plastic near the front of the mag. Nothing I did damaged the integrity of the magazine.
Some work on the Orlite Isreali Galil mags makes them 100% good to go in Norincos. My oldest son spent 5$ each for Galil mags last year, 20$ mags this year. Or a feed ramp like the Siagas is in order, and then Bulgarian 5.56 mags will do fine.
Still, send a Pm if yer gonna sell some, I know a couple guys who are always looking for steel mags.

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13 Sep Teasers. Pictures from a new project
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A new project is slowly moving towards it's first release. This release will not be a release with my solo handle (Proteque). Me and a fellow musician (Stein Vegard Stavik) have teamed up in a mini group. Name and details will come later. Here are some pictures that show what to come. Some hints: dark ambient, impulse responses, synths, guitars and some other surprises.


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Having a baby is the most wonderful experience a woman can have as it is a fulfillment of the biological function of the female species. After the giving birth process
Today the Cape High Court handed down a landmark judgment in a court action initiated by TAC and the South African Medical Association (SAMA) against Matthias Rath and the Government of South Africa. The case was originally heard before the Court on 12-14 March 2008.
On 12 to 14 March 2008, the court action initiated by TAC and the South African Medical Association (SAMA) against Matthias Rath and the Government of South Africa will be heard in the Cape High Court. This court case is critical for the rule of law as it relates to the Medicines Act.
Briefing on TAC and SAMA v. Rath and Government of South Africa in the Cape High Court on 26 April 2007
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Have you checked Hulu for Grimm? It's my go-to when all else fails. Currently watching Once Upon a Time there.I couldn't get into Community.Maybe it gets better, but didn't like Community. Best parts were the endings, with Abed and Donald Glover.
Proceeding cautiously with Grimm. I wish the cinematography (what do you call it when it's for a TV show?) was a little more fantastic (as in fantasy-like), in keeping with the theme.
Also don't see why I couldn't come from a family of bear-people.
I liked the first episode of Grimm but the SO deleted some episodes. They weren't protected on the DVR and he thought I unprotected them cuz I watched them so he deleted them. We always just protect the ones we've watched so the other knows it can be deleted, now why would I unprotect it instead of just deleting? SMH
IDK, that bear-mom was bat-isht crazy about tradition. I don't think I'd like growing up with her. Although turning into a bear (or wolf ) would be cool.
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Amateur photog's online photo cache. All photos are original pics taken by author and her husband. This is not a place to see those awe inspiring Ansel Adams, these are ordinary subjects shot on a whim most of the time.
Saturday, January 15, 2011
Day Trip To Yucatan Peninsula Part 2: Cenote Suytun Cave Visit
Cenotes are natural features which exist in the limestone of the Yucatan Peninsula. Water dissolves away the limestone from underneath, causing a sinkhole. Eventually the ground over the sinkhole breaks, usually with a small opening revealing a large cavern underneath. The older the cenote is, the larger the hole becomes. Many cenotes have had their roofs completely collapse and now look more like an abandoned quarry than a cave.
We were welcomed at "the center stone and natural wonders".
Above ground this is the well. It didn't look like it amounted to anything, but wait until you see what's under this well.
Going down to the cave. The steps are a bit tricky and slippery.
You enter and you see stalactites and the pool below.
Up close.
The well above casts this beautifully magical ray down below.
You can walk around the pool to the other side.
Swimming is allowed provided you wear the appropriate swimming gear.
Sign says: Strictly prohibited scratching or damaging walls or climb stairs as well as on rocks or cave. Thanks for your understanding.
Since I did not bring a suit, I just did what she is doing. I went in and dipped my toes. The cool water was a refreshing relief from the oppressive heat outside.
And if you're still hot after the dip, you can quench your thirst with jugo de naranja or OJ. Was looking for coconut juice though.
It was an experience of a lifetime. A really neat bonus to this trip.
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What a wonderful place.ReplyDelete
Your caves pictures are superb!
what maginificent caves!ReplyDelete
trully breathtaking!
thanks for sharing.
Oh, you're so lucky to be there...i'm jealous, hahahah! you did great photos here.ReplyDelete
oh wow! i like that circular platform in the middle. sad though that the cave has already been damaged but at least one open cave in each country will at least help people to be aware of its splendor.ReplyDelete
id love to take a dip there.
I have never been inside such a cave, Maria, and can just imagine what it would feel like. Good for you to find it out and not miss it!ReplyDelete
There's plenty of cenotes in Mexico's Yucatan peninsula. This one's massive and I'm impressed you were able to capture that ray of light!ReplyDelete
Aren't cenotes amazing?! Fantastic shots of the interior.ReplyDelete
am jealous!!!! love the photos!ReplyDelete
wow! that's the cave you featured in your year end post I think. ang ganda! :) The water is really inviting, would love to take a dip!ReplyDelete
WOOOW...amazing ! I even didn't know something like this existed ! Those stalactites are fantastic !ReplyDelete
whoa. i am envious here. the place looks so great.ReplyDelete
omg, wow!ReplyDelete
among your posts, dito ko bonggang nainggit! super magical. i love to experience that too!
Wow! Lucky you.ReplyDelete
Now that is impressive, for sure.... it is something I would definitely like to see if I were to visit. Great shots Maria, I enjoyed!!ReplyDelete
Wow¡¡¡. La cueva es impresionante, un paraíso fotográfico. BravoReplyDelete
Very interesting and so attractive! Beautiful series of pictures!ReplyDelete
The photo of the ray deserve to be in a exposition. You were in the best position of that place. The Yucatan Peninsula hides too much natural secrets.ReplyDelete
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oh my. that's so beautiful. glad you saw this, and took home beautiful pictures.ReplyDelete
you can really take a dip?! ^0^ReplyDelete
i would love to try that.
the cave looks interesting and inviting, that is unlike others which can be dark or murky.
OMG!! what a beautiful place in this world. I wish I was there lol.ReplyDelete


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Let us stipulate that those with child and those without will forever diverge on whether kids should be permitted to stray from their coloring-book stations at our finer dining establishments. Let us momentarily table the matter, and instead celebrate a beautiful, sandy, sudsy middle ground called The Lot, known to its East Dallas neighbors as Like Elmo On Demand but With Tito's. A rustic bar and grill near White Rock Lake, The Lot serves up solid renditions of bar-food staples for kids (grilled cheese) and alleged adults (grilled cheese and beer). More important, its massive covered patio is flanked by a just-as-massive sandbox, which is studded with tires and bridges and other things from which your kid can go all WWE on an unwitting stranger-kid, while you, the day's Designated Kid Watcher, sip a bloody mary and think to yourself, Hey, why is that weird kid doing a leg-drop on that poor — uh oh, I gotta go.
"I would like to do an in-your-face Texas concept," Stephan Pyles said when he was interviewed in the Observer about the state of Dallas dining in 2010. "Maybe it's a little Disneyland-like." Pyles lamented the lack of "Texas" in local Texas cooking and suggested that Dallas chefs had gotten off track. As he spoke he was sowing the seeds for his latest restaurant, Stampede 66, which delivers Texas custom tailored to downtown Dallas with the volume turned up to 10. From the color-shifting lights and quirky artistic sculpture to the images of cowboys branding calves, and the wall-mounted longhorns, Stampede 66 is as in-your-mug as it gets. If there's one restaurant to take an out of town guest to show them everything Dallas is about, Pyles' latest creation is it.
Barbecue is a humble art, and there's something special about brisket procured from a barbecue shack on the side of the road. Trouble is, most of the ramshackle joints across Texas don't serve very good smoked meats — that is until Travis and Donna Mayes first fired up their brick smoker in 2009. They've been serving up exceptional barbecue in this modest, smoke-stained building ever since. And it's the best "shack" barbecue you'll find around. The menu is hand-painted on the brick exterior next to the take-out window, and parked cars compete with massive piles of wood for real estate. There's no pretension here, and there's no seating either. All you get is smoky, tender brisket, ribs that pull from the bone. The smoky understand that this is precisely how barbecue was meant to be experienced.
You're finally up to order at Lockhart and despite how much time you spent in line you still haven't figured out what you want to eat. So you ask the guy taking orders because he works here and his epic beard conveys a lot of authority about meat. He tells you that if you're going to try anything today it should be the special, turkey breast, and your first impulse is to think that's absurd — you came for barbecue, after all, and barbecued turkey just sounds like a waste of good sides. But you know it would be rude to not take his suggestion, and he still has that authority-commanding beard. And thank God you listened to him. After that first spicy, tangy, juicy bite and the decadent blue cheese coleslaw you can't believe that for a moment you doubted that guy or his beard.
Get it? Because you smoke barbecue slowly, and ... OK, you get it. Fortunately, the meat is even better than the innuendo, with brisket that can be falling-apart tender and smoky, great sausages and ribs, and daily specials that can be hit-or-miss but always creative. Also noteworthy for those who aren't solely focused on the meat, the sides — often an afterthought at great Texas barbecue joints — are outstanding: green-bean casserole that doesn't come from a can, dessert-like sweet potatoes and even hush puppies. The meat alone puts this place among Dallas' best barbecue restaurants, and the quality side dishes make it one of our favorite restaurants period. Huh huh, we said "period."
It looks like a hot dog, even though it's too long and too skinny. It smells like a hot dog too. But as soon as your teeth snap through the casing on a Post Oak Red Hot, you're bathed in endorphin rush that's transformative. It's as if all your childhood memories — the dog your old man bought you at your first baseball game, the wiener you grilled on a stick at camp — are simultaneously unlocked in your cerebellum to set off a hot dog euphoria. The link is a perfect example of pedestrian charcuterie, and creator Brian Luscher adorns it with handcrafted condiments that only enhance the magic. Spicy mustard, pickled peppers and cucumbers, onions and tomatoes are all nestled in a pillow-soft bun speckled with poppy seeds. The only rub is you have to hit the White Rock Farmer's Market to get one until Luscher's opens in East Dallas late this fall.


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text: CANTON, Mass., June 17, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Baskin-Robbins, the world's largest chain of ice cream specialty shops, announced today the introduction of unprecedented development incentives in 2013 for new franchisees and military veterans. These limited time only incentives, some of the steepest the brand has ever offered, are part of Baskin-Robbins' growth plans to attract new franchisees and develop with current franchisees through remodels, relocations and expansion. (Logo: http://photos.prnewswire.com/prnh/20111214/MM23067LOGO) "Baskin-Robbins has been building a very solid foundation over the last several years with new product innovation and a strategic vision for the future," said Bill Mitchell, president of Baskin-Robbins, U.S. and Canada. "With our updated shop design recently introduced and these new in-depth development incentives, we believe there's never been a better time to become a Baskin-Robbins franchisee." In 2013, new franchisees interested in owning their own ice cream shop can take advantage of compelling offers, including a 10-year initial franchise fee payment plan whereby the $25,000 fee can be amortized over 10 years. Additionally, qualified candidates who timely develop shops will be able to enjoy reduced royalty rates of .9% to 2.9% over the first five years, which is a significant reduction from the standard royalty rate of 5.9%.* Baskin-Robbins has also introduced special incentives to help make business ownership a reality for U.S. military servicemen and women. For honorably discharged military veterans who sign an agreement in 2013 and timely develop shops, Baskin-Robbins will waive the 20-year initial franchisee fee and offer a zero percent royalty rate for the first two years and reduced royalty rate years three through five.* "We believe in our veterans, and we know they make great franchisees for Baskin-Robbins," said Mitchell, a former U.S. Army Captain. "We are honored to be able to offer our military heroes these incentives, enabling them to own their own business and utilize their leadership experience and training to run a successful ice cream shop."


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By Declan Taylor
In September 2002 Hull City were playing at Boothferry Park in Division Three; fast forward six years and they sit seventh in the Premier League. It has been quite a journey for the Tigers.
Victory in last season's Championship play-off final saw Hull end their 104-year wait for a place at England's top table and they have not looked out of place so far. Just one defeat in their opening five games has seen the Tigers confound their pre-season doubters but Saturday brings their first meeting with one of the 'Big Four'.
We caught up with Phil Buckingham from the Hull Daily Mail for an expert view on Arsenal's opponents this weekend. Read on for his take on the Premier League 'experience', manager Phil Brown's impact and the prospect of facing the Gunners.
"Everyone is pinching themselves a bit. In all honesty I didn't see the club being here 18 months ago when Phil Brown arrived but he's done an amazing job really. These are unprecedented times for the club, we're talking a 104 year wait to be in to be in the Premier League. I think everyone's just loving every minute of it and the start we've made to the season has just put the icing on the cake.
"The manager and the players quite enjoy being written off, it took all the pressure off them. I think everyone outside of Hull tipped them to be another Derby. I don't think that was ever going to be the case, they've got too much team spirit in the camp. At this moment in time they're just enjoying proving people wrong.
"It's going to very difficult to maintain the form that they've shown in the first five games. Eight points from every five games and you're talking about real top half stuff and that might be a bit of a tough ask. They haven't faced any of the big four yet and it'll just be a case of keeping the momentum going for as long as they can - that's the key for any promoted teams. I think it's more about how you deal with hard times and fortunately for Hull none of those have really come yet.
"If you ask the managers and the players, the main target is to get to that 40-point mark. If they get to that in March, and are well ahead of schedule, perhaps they could change the goals then. But now the only aim is to get enough points to avoid the drop."
"If you analyse Phil Brown's time at Derby, an awful lot of things went wrong for him there. It was a club in turmoil with a high turnover of players and maybe he wasn't given enough time. In contrast to that, everything's gone right for him at Hull. First of all he got the club off the bottom of the league in his first season, successfully avoiding the drop into League One. And then inside a year he was given backing when the club got taken over and all of a sudden he has propelled the club to somewhere it has never been. It's a remarkable job he's done it has to be said.
"He's quite a hot-tempered character down on the touchline and you'll see him kicking a ball around with the players in a tracksuit before the game. But then he's suited and booted during the game and very vociferous on the sideline. His best qualities as a manager is his man-management, it really is second to none. We're not privy to what goes on the in the dressing room but he's a big thinker and I think he'd like to pride himself on dealing with players in the right way.
"There's no shortage of heroes around here these days and Phil Brown deserves as much of a claim as anyone. At the time everyone thought the Championship was where Hull needed to establish themselves first and foremost before thinking about the Premier League. Then to go on so convincingly, taking the club to new heights, 'remarkable' is the only word I can use to describe it."
"Obviously Geovanni started the season very well but he's been on the bench the last couple of games. He may well get a run out against Arsenal because they might revert to a 4-5-1 and be a little less gung-ho.
"The real star man to look out for from my point of view is Michael Turner, the centre half. He's a London lad. he started life at Charlton then he went to Brentford. He's just had a meteoric rise and his best quality is that he doesn't realise just how good he is. He is a real talent, player of the season at Hull last year, and his big test was to come up the Premier League and not look out of place and he's certainly done that. Up at Blackburn a couple of weeks back he had Roque Santa Cruz well and truly under wraps and that's no mean feat. If he can keep that sort of form going it will only be of benefit of the club.
"Marlon King is another one. He got two up at Newcastle and he'll be the first to admit that he's got to prove to a few people that he can cut it as this level. At Watford he had a bad injury in the Premier League and he moved on to Wigan and it hasn't gone right for him. Coming to Hull is his big chance to really show that he's a Premier League striker and he has started really well. I don't think it's any surprise that the one game he missed was against Wigan - under the terms of his loan he wasn't allowed to play against them - is the game that Hull struggled.
"When he plays he gives them something different. He can lead the line, he's strong, he's powerful and he's got a good eye for goal as well. I think Hull will want him to perhaps chip in with double figures this season."
"The notable injury is Craig Fagan who broke his leg against Newcastle and he's a big miss. Anthony Gardner missed last weekend but I'm sure he'll be close. Nicky Barmby is another one who should be able to throw his hat into the ring on Saturday. "I think 16 of the 20 teams in the League will go to the Emirates with the same mind-set as us.
It's such a difficult place to go and you really have to stop Arsenal from playing, the best way to go about that is to pack the midfield. It's almost an impossible task for a club like Hull City to go to Arsenal and get anything. It will just be about keeping shape more than anything else because, as we know, Arsenal like to drag teams all over the pitch.
"I'm sure they wanted to get to the Premier League to come to places like the Emirates instead of the Colchesters of this world, no disrespect. I think one or two might be daunted by the occasion I'm sure, but there are a few old heads that have been around and done it before. The likes of George Boateng will start on Saturday and he has been around the block before. It's important that players like that really stand up and be counted on Saturday."


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Enter the room with one of these Perdomo Habano Maduro Presidente cigars, and don't be surprised if you hear Hail To The Chief playing. The maduro wrappers are thick, oily and aromatic while the diverse Nicaraguan core tobaccos combine for a sweet, earthy-spicy mix. Nice price, too! Order now.
This is certainly a full-bodied cigar. Would not recommend it on an empty stomach unless you are used to the real jolt from a such full strength cigars. I usually smoke maduros, but will want to try a non-maduro Habano next to see how it compliments the fillers. What a well-made cigar! The reviewer who said "put on your big guy pants" was right on. Great smoke.
I simply could not tell you how this cigar tastes because it was just plain bland. The draw wasn't all that good either... I was almost exhausted trying to keep this thing burning. Not the worst cigar I've ever tried, but not one I'd go out of my way to try again.
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The Donald's Trump Card
Donald Trump. The name is a punchline now, associated with the worst of 1980s extravagance, egomania, and greed. Once, the world marveled at the scope and mastery of Trump's megabuck deals. Today, he's widely regarded as a washed-up real estate mogul who has been stripped of his once lustrous possessions.
But watch Trump move through a crowd at the Taj Mahal casino he built. Accompanied by girlfriend Marla Maples, The Donald struts across the gaming floor like a god, not a has-been. People touch him for good luck. One gambler begs him to autograph her slot-machine-playing hand.
For Trump, the old-time swagger isn't empty posturing. He may be down, but he's far from out -- and he could reemerge as a major player if the New York real estate market revives. On Mar. 13, he is expected to conclude the final segments of a massive debt restructuring, which will give lenders the Trump Shuttle airline and hand over 49% of the Plaza Hotel in exchange for a lower mortgage-interest rate.
Yet unlike other ailing developers, such as fellow New Yorker Peter S. Kalikow, he has avoided personal bankruptcy. He has been able to hang on to a major portion of his assets -- far more than most people thought possible. These include the core of his real estate and casino properties. Although he gave up a dozen assets (table, pages 76-77), he retains four major holdings, including the Trump Tower luxury high-rise. Plus, he kept half-ownership of three others, notably Manhattan's Plaza Hotel and the Taj.
Trump's capacious ego also remains largely intact. With typical bravado, he says: "You'll never see me sitting in the corner sucking my thumb. The name Trump will be hotter than ever."
Much of the credit for his survival goes to savvy negotiations with lenders by his first-rate lieutenants -- particularly his chief financial officer, Stephen F. Bollenbach. Another key factor was the realization by lenders that Trump and many of his key holdings were worth more alive than dead. Tossing them into bankruptcy court would have sharply diminished their value.
In return for the assets Trump is ceding to them, the lenders are reducing his empire's overall debt burden by a third, to $2.5 billion. That should enable cash flow from his operations to cover his interest tab. The lenders also are lowering his personal debt -- the portion guaranteed only by his signature -- from $885 million to $115 million.
That doesn't mean a return to the flush days of the 1980s for Trump. In the first comprehensive analysis of his holdings since his 1990 near-collapse, BUSINESS WEEK estimates that he has a negative net worth of almost $1.4 billion (table). Trump disagrees and claims his net worth is a positive $1.5 billion, but BW's investigation indicates that his valuation of his holdings is substantially inflated.
Trump is also on a very short leash from lenders. They are maintaining strict controls on the cash his operations produce. He faces several fierce debt payments over the next few years, and defaults would permit lenders to seize nearly all of his remaining properties.
BUYING TIME. Even so, he has wiggled free of enough liabilities and hung on to enough properties to position himself for a possible turnaround. He has bought time, and time is on his side. Trump is only 45 years old. And most observers predict a slow but steady rebound in New York's stinko real estate market.
Just having a shot at a turnaround seemed all but impossible for Trump when lenders in effect took control of his kingdom in the summer of 1990. Like other world-class deadbeats with vast holdings, he made full use of a perverse advantage: Lenders didn't dare plunge his wholly owned Trump Organization, or significant pieces of it, into a prolonged bankruptcy struggle. That deprived them of a potent weapon. "They would have had years and years of war on their hands," says Trump.
Values usually diminish drastically when assets are tied up in bankruptcy court -- and Trump's were especially vulnerable. With Trump in a drawn-out Chapter 11, the New Jersey Casino Control Commission would likely have yanked his Atlantic City (N. J.) casinos' operating licenses, rendering them near-worthless. Much the same held true for the Trump Shuttle: If it stopped flying while the lawyers wrangled, the franchise would die as passengers fled to more reliable carriers. Lenders also feared that selling off the planes in a recession would fetch a pittance.
In Atlantic City, Trump had another advantage. While it may be true in few other places, his name remains a magic marketing tool there. And that was the key factor in keeping the three casinos under the Trump Organization umbrella. Mortifying publicity about his marriage, love life, and material excesses only added to the raffish appeal that fascinates the gambling crowd. Prudential Insurance Co., a sizable holder of Taj bonds, initially wanted Trump's name and equity removed from the Taj. The Pru and other Trump-haters relented after a plea from their financial adviser, Wilbur L. Ross Jr., a senior managing director of Rothschild Inc. "The Trump name added value to the casino," says Ross.
OUTSIDE HELP. Still, life for Trump could have been much bleaker were it not for Bollenbach. When lenders demanded that he get a chief financial officer to straighten out his haphazard financial operations, Trump hired Bollenbach, the CFO for Holiday Corp., whom he had spotted on a magazine cover. Bollenbach won such acclaim for his performance with Trump that the financially troubled Marriott Corp. hotel chain has tapped him as its CFO. Trump badly needs a new Bollenbach, who says he's leaving because "the problems here are fixed."
Bollenbach virtually took over operational control of Trump's empire. In talks with lenders, he was quite willing to play hardball. "Trump and Bollenbach threatened to ground the shuttle if they didn't get 100% personal-debt forgiveness for it," one banker recalls. The banks refused but ended by compromising. Trump's personal shuttle debt was pared to $35 million from $135 million. While Bollenbach handled the details of the debt dickering -- something the big-picture-oriented Trump is weak on -- Trump seemed mainly concerned with image. Amid the haggling over the shuttle, the lone detail Trump is said to have focused on was whether his name would stay on the planes' sides. Trump brands that "a false story." His name will soon be replaced by that of USAir Group Inc., which will run the shuttle for the banks with an option to buy.
Privately admitting they were suckers for Trump's ebullient prognostications in the 1980s, the lenders were anxious not to give Trump too many breaks. In addition to the shuttle, they made off with his Regency Hotel in Atlantic City, his Trump Princess yacht, his Palm Beach condo project, his 28% share of Alexander's Inc. department stores, and two of his mid-Manhattan apartment complexes. Trump's long-standing half-ownership of New York's Grand Hyatt Hotel, his first big real estate score, is scheduled to go to the banks after snags are worked out with the Pritzker family of Chicago, holders of the other 50%.
Trump was also forced to cut his casino creditors into his action in a major way. He reorganized the Taj last year under a prepackaged bankruptcy -- a very quick, debtor-led excursion through court that eases debt load but doesn't disrupt operations. The other two gambling emporiums filed prepacks on Mar. 9. Trump has ceded 50% of the Taj, though he could increase his stake to up to 80% if it produces enough cash to pay off the $752 million bond debt. He aims to do a carbon-copy deal for Trump's Castle, which has $287 million in bond debt, not counting bank borrowings. Trump Plaza, with $225 million in bond debt, is in the best financial shape of the trio, which has relieved him of having to relinquish any voting equity. Instead, he will issue $75 million in preferred stock to bondholders.
Trump was also able to hold on to his Florida estate, Trump Tower in midtown Manhattan, a half-interest in the nearby Plaza Hotel, and an undeveloped 71-acre tract called the Penn Yards that runs along the Hudson River on Manhattan's West Side.
ENVIRONMENTAL HEADACHE? Nevertheless, some big perils loom that could sink Trump anyway. On June 30, 1993, two mortgages come due: $140 million for Trump Tower and $200 million for the Penn Yards. Will the banking syndicates holding the loans, both led by Chase Manhattan Bank, roll them over? If not, Trump has no obvious alternatives, since few banks these days want to make real estate loans. Chase says it's too early to tell what will happen. Trump says Chase will renew the loans. He has a point: Trump Tower, renowned for its peach-marble atrium and 80-foot waterfall, is profitable and current on mortgage payments, which might make foreclosure difficult in court. Judges aren't eager to allow foreclosure on a good property simply because the lender won't renew. And Chase may be leery of grabbing the Penn Yards, a huge tract with possible environmental problems whose planned development lies far off. Says one banker: "Chase doesn't need that on its hands."
Trump faces deadlines on his remaining personal debt, too. This $115 million, which is interest-free, is due to the banks in mid-1995. Also on that date, he must pony up an additional $50 million that the banks extended him in 1990 to keep afloat.
Lenders say that under the terms of their agreement, they won't allow Trump to divert any cash from operations or sales of assets to new ventures or his personal use. The money must go to debt service. The only income Trump receives free and clear is $3.4 million in management fees to run the casinos -- chump change by Trump standards. There's one other potential source of cash: the right to sell 10 apartments in Trump Tower for a maximum take of $10 million, with any excess going to the banks. Manhattan's soft real estate market, however, makes such near-term windfalls iffy. Fortunately for Trump, his lavish personal expenses are paid for out of Trump Organization revenue, justified as business costs. The banks, which once scrutinized his personal spending, have given that up now that the restructuring is mostly done.
Given all this, how can Trump get back in the game? He will need access to something that's scarce lately even for developers with stellar credit ratings: fresh capital. A partial answer is to make money the old-fashioned way -- by inheriting it. Fred Trump, Donald's 86-year-old father, is said to have a net worth of $200 million. Fred helped launch his son in the 1970s with the Hyatt deal, and the two remain on good terms. While Fred's will isn't public, and neither Trump will comment on it, Donald could receive as much as $50 million, maybe more, when Fred dies. Other possible heirs include a brother and two sisters.
What Trump needs most is a resurgent real estate market. That possibility seems remote today, but historically, it's quite reasonable. Property is cyclical. Very little commercial construction is taking place nowadays, so by the mid-1990s, the glut of New York office and retail space should have abated.
This would allow room for every real estate operator's favorite ploy: more debt restructuring. Trump contends that rising property values will eventually make lenders eager to revamp the loans once again -- in his favor -- so they can get in on new deals. "Banks made lots of money on Donald Trump," says Richard Roth Jr., chairman of Emery Roth & Sons, an architectural firm. "When the market's back, they'll remember that."
A key Trump aide predicts that Trump expects to pay off the $115 million of his personal debt due in 1995 at a discount. If real estate values do come back dramatically, bankers may be receptive. Because he need not pay interest on the personal debt, they put more importance on the debt collateralized by his remaining property. Says one: "I wouldn't be surprised to see him eventually buy out our claim for 30~ cents on the dollar."
To Trump, debt restrictions are nuisances he cares about only if he has to. Look at what happened to the $5.4 million yearly personal-spending cap the banks imposed on Trump in 1990. He cavalierly brushed that aside in awarding his wife, Ivana, a $14 million divorce settlement. "The banks weren't happy," shrugs Trump. "I wanted my kids taken care of." The banks concede that they let him get away with this as they were qtarting more important talks over the fate of the entire Trump domain.
Since Trump's remaining holdings are top-notch, a market rebound would benefit them early. The Plaza is one of the world's best-known hotels, and he has poured vast sums into upgrading it. If the market turns and financing becomes available, he wants to convert half of its 804 rooms to condominiums. And if bank restrictions are loosened and all his profit doesn't go toward debt payment, he would split the take with Citicorp and the other banks holding Plaza equity.
Trump's profit potential could be more dramatic on the Penn Yards, the largest piece of undeveloped land in Manhattan. Last year, he won over most community activists and politicians by scaling down his once grandiose development plan, an Oz-like vision called Trump City that threatened to block neighbors' sunlight. Now, he's pressing to get the city to rezone the site for 5,700 apartments.
BEST CASE. After some false starts, Trump has enhanced his most valuable holdings, the three casinos, through beefed-up operating performance. In 1991's fourth quarter, operating profit at the Taj, his newest and gaudiest casino, soared 70%, to $22 million. Trump's Castle earned $4.6 million, vs. a $600,000 loss in 1990's final quarter. Trump Plaza was up sevenfold, to $7.8 million.
Most analysts agree that economic recovery should bring solid gains for Trump's casinos this year. Although the overall outlook for Atlantic City gambling is clouded by overcapacity, Trump holds 25% of the 12-casino market. The goal is to make his gambling halls look good enough for Trump to sell equity to the public. Or he might sell one or more of the casinos outright, despite his claims that he won't. The most favorable scenario advanced by Trump-watchers has him selling his 100%-owned Trump Plaza casino, an elegant house favored by high-rollers. If Trump's revenue-growth projections are accurate, the casino might fetch $385 million by 1995. Such a sale would pay mff its $225 million bond debt, its $34 million bank debt, and its $75 million in preferred stock -- leaving him a tidy $51 million profit.
Fanciful? Perhaps not. Trump's gaming parlors are now the best-run in Atlantic City. They had been at a low ebb since the 1989 deaths of three top managers in a helicopter crash. Trump tried to run the places himself, but the recession kept gamblers away, and his irascible style provoked other seasoned executives to quit. Finally, last year, Trump got it right by naming his longtime casino lawyer, Nicholas L. Ribis, as Atlantic City chief. Skilled at handling the harsh Trump temper, Ribis has overhauled the casinos' operations, slicing costs. "I win some arguments," says Ribis, "and Donald wins some, too."
Say what you will about Trump, his no-holds-barred fighting spirit remains. Consider the tussle over subdividing his 17-acre Palm Beach (Fla.) estate, Mar-a-Lago, to raise money. An unloved arriviste in the tony resort, he has faced intense local opposition. If thwarted, he has threatened to sell the property to the Moonies, though they say they don't want it. The plan comes before a skeptical town council on Apr. 16, and the ever optimistic Trump forecasts victory. "They'll do a complete fold-up," says the man who vows never to do one himself. One would hesitate before betting against him.


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Well just to clarify on what I'm experiencing... Overall the car runs and performs very well. There are no weird knocks or noises. Drives great and just like it did before the rebuild. What is occurring seems to be a little random. It has not done this to me while driving, but only when it's idling in my garage. The car has a high and low idle. High idle is fine (like on a cold start) but when it warms up and idles down it had a hesitation. Not a misfire, but like a lack of fuel, spark, or air and just has a little shutter. I can hit the gas and it'll go away, but comes right back when it idles back down. Twice now when it's just been idling in my garage it has died after one of these shutters. Just bogs down low, dies, but I can fire it right back up. Then after restart it'll still idle a little rough, but not die even after letting it idle for 10-15 minutes.
With the rebuild the spark plugs, wires, and ignition coil pack were all replaced. I never had an issues that were fuel related before the rebuild so I don't think it would be that. Could a vacuum leak cause this? Or the fact that the battery was out for two weeks cause the PCM to reset in which it just needs time to relearn the car? Any suggestions?
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Jumping in....
I am going to go ahead and chime in, even if only to echo what others have said. I was where you are and am about finished with my goal of restoring a boat to go cruising.
I believe determination is rarely taught. It's like jazz. If you have to ask you'll never know.
Don't listen to.the naysayers. Make your dreams happen even if it means pushing all else aside. Do it and do it now.
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My bad.....I thought he already had a boat because he said something like " I can't help but get jealous of people that have nicer boats than mine" or something to that effect???
No, he can't follow anyone's advice wthout a boat!
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not too many sailor types wear jordans my older friend
and buying a pair of ray bans isn't gonna kill someone's dream of owning a boat ... eating out will though that's true
I just hope this doesn't turn into another one of the generational drift threads
Spending more on sunglasses won't kill a dream but it will delay it. Every dollar NOT spent on a boat is a dollar that you are further away from having a boat.
Delay a dream long enough and you might as well call it killed.
Re: Funding the sailing lifestyle
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So, I'm fairly new to the forum and some of you may have seen my previous post about the Catalina 27 I was looking at...I can't help but get frustrated and I suppose a bit jealous of all the folks that have nicer boats than me...Although, all I really want is a moderate boat that gets me out on the water...sometimes I feel like I'll never make quite enough money to do this...even if I find the boat I want there are still mooring fees, storage, insurance, maintenance...it really adds up...
I'm only 28...currently working in IT project management and I feel like I'll never find a job that pays more and can afford me the boat I'm looking for...anybody hiring :-)
Seriously though, I am curious as to the best ways to make this happen, financially...
I started at 22 years old and with less income than you probably make, and things are looking good now from a boat and financial perspective. It can be done, but I believe it requires creativity.
Buying small undoubtedly decreases costs. Going as small as you can is REALLY going to help. We bought much bigger than we needed, and while we got a really good deal on the boat, we're paying for it's size every time we turn around.
Living aboard is really what made it possible for me. I wasn't paying rent AND moorage, AND boat payment. Once rent (and all the utilities) went away, it was really quite affordable.
Another idea to look into is buying your slip. We did this, and while it was difficult to come up with the down payment, and there are very few banks willing to lend on a slip, we made it work. We pay slightly more (maybe 15-20%) than we would if we were renting but in 10 years we'll have a slip that we own. With 15 year terms we'd be paying less than if we were renting.
We consider our slip to be the majority of our cruising kitty. It's always difficult to save money each month for sailing years down the road, but even on the months when we don't put any extra away, our slip payment DOES contribute equity to our cruising kitty. When we get ready to leave we'll sell the slip and have a good sized pile of cash to cruise with, and the money will have all come from money that would have been vaporized as moorage payments. I wish I'd done this 11 years ago when I got started. I would own the slip now and wouldn't be looking back on so many years of $$$ per month checks that I wrote to the marina.
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Some recommended reads... Haven't read Fatty Goodlander's latest, but he's certainly a guy who's done it on a shoestring...
Fatty Goodlander, S/V Wild Card - Buy, Outfit, and Sail
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Brian and Aaron, great posts! Thanks!
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The only reason I bare bones it, is due to my personal finances. If I set out to follow Cruising Dads path when I was 18, I'd like to think I could have reached the same level of success. (We are the same age) and often wished I had. It's only now that I've gotten serious about a career as A Tug Boat captain. All the expierience I have gained as a young bare Bones Cruiser play's into my rapid climb to the wheel house in the commercial boating world. Weather you're on a nice, gadget boat, or a hull with a mast and rudder like me, I'm glad we are out here doing it to what ever capacity we are capable of and am glad, as I sit in my bunk on the Tug, I have a place like sailnet to have these discussions. It inspires me to work a little more on my boat when I get home. At 41, I now own a house in the Bay Islands of Honduras, two old cars, a Dive ,Kayak, and Snorkle charter boat, a studio apartment in old town key west and am married. I spend exactly half the year, (Or my life) on tug boat making a decent daily wage with all the benny's. But I still keep my sail boat bare and simple. What started out as necessity has become some kind of ritual passion. It's my ace in the hole, anchored out in a creek. A tough little sloop, pulling on it's mooring like a race horse ready to run. When I motor slowly away from it in my skiff, I stare back at it till I'm out of sight and only then get up on a plane. Funny, I pay $900 a month slip rent for my 40 foot dive boat and skiff, but I keep my sail boat out in a mangrove creek and call my neighbors to see if it's still there every day I can't get out to it.
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Wow. I have read this thread with interst.
Capt Aaron, Tempest, Sailor Wench, and many others have given some incredible advice. I respect what they did and have done. In fact, I almost made Capt Aaron's thread on how he survives in Key West a sticky. What a great story! I respect how you, and pretty much everyone else on here has made your way. I hope you and everyone else will show me the same respect as I hesitatly show the OP (or anyone interested) mine...
I could not do it how you folks did. No interest. I am not disparaging your methods, but that would not work for me.
Me... well, I was not born with a silver spoon either. I never went hungry growing up, but had my share of episodes that changed me. By 18, I was convinced that there were things in my life I wanted, and I was going to make it happen. I went to Baylor University, and as I recall, I was the only one with a double in Biology, CHemistry, and Premed (a totally different course structure than non-premed). I enjoy science, but also planned my career around what I saw as marketable in the future (physician). I am not a physician now, thank goodness, but after graduation followed my strengths and ambitions to further my goal of getting what I wanted. I will leave it at that.
THe difference I see bewteen me and many others is that I set my standards very high. I have owned many Lexus, houses, and boats. I have bought all my boats new. I bought my first boat in 1995ish (A C250) at the age of 25/26. I paid roughly 26,000 for it. I bought my next boat a few months later (new). It was a C320. I think it pushed close to 100k. I bought my next boat to go cruising on a few year after that. I think I was 29. It was a Catalina 380. I think I paid circa 160 for it. Kept it, lived aboard on it, raised my kiddo on it for some time, and sold it and not long after bought my last boat, a C400. I paid circa 225,000 for it and have put a LOT more into it. Lived aboard her, cruised her, and now (just sold my car... yeah!!) taking off to do it again but this time long distance with both boys. I bought this boat when I was 36 or 37 IIRC. In all of this, please excuse the years or exact prices as I don't keep track very closely.
Let me tell you what worked for me and how I did it: I saw what I wanted, then I made my mind up to get it and make it work. I worked the hours to make it work - nights or weekends. I found careers that made it capable to afford such a vessel or life(style). I always kept focusing on a career that would afford me my desires, not making my desires on what I could afford. I have no boundaries. I have no limits. I never see limits. I only see what I want and then focus my attention on what I need to do to get it.
You live in America, right? You have no boundaries or limits. None. THe only ones you have are self imposed... especially in your 20's. You want a Oyster 6x? THere is no reason you cannot have it, and in a reasonable time. ALl you have to do is figure out the means to the end. THe getting it is the easy part... the figuring out how to get there is the hard part. Others will tell you the opposite. THey see limits. I do not.
I could have a nicer, more expensive boat now. I could have a big house on the water. I could have another new Lexus or (insert item of choice). I simply have no interest in it. I like my boat and my life and am comfortable with what I have. THat makes me no different that Aaron or SW, or Tempest, or any of the other respondents here. My only difference is I have ZERO interst in making me fit into what I have now. I do not begrudge those who envy others for their possessions... as long as that envy is with a desire and understanding that they too can have it. I see what I want. If I want it (bad enough), I make it work to get there.
Incidentally, as I mentioned, I am taking off with my family yet again (41), 8 yo boy, 12 yo boy, wonderful wife, fat bulldog, to do this thing again in the next many days. I must be doing something right?? Everyone else is too that is enjoying this life... whether on a multimillion dollar yacht or a free trailer sailor. No matter the yacht, we all get the same view. But my path to passion was a completely different road than what I have read here. I did it. You can too.
PS - Bill Gates, Jobs, Buffet, etc... never saw limits. You want it? Go get it. Then look back on this thread as the motivation to change your life. Can't wait to see the pic of your Oyster.
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I sailed down to Central America in 1990 with the boat my grand father left me. (worth $4000) A soveral 28. It had an engine and I knew how to navigate. I think G.P.S was just coming out, so I did'nt have that. The Engine sh!t the bed in Belize and I have'nt had one since. Been sailing back and forth for 22 years now. no engine and a hand held G.P.S. that I buy used when I leave, and Pawn when I get back. I only use it out of sight of land. If I can see land, I can pilot using a paper chart and my hand held compass. I tried the boat yard work but the money sucks....Bar's, that's where you make bank and quick. Now I'm a merchant marine which is perfect, great money, lot's of free time. Never had depth sounder, that's what lead lines are for.
I sold the boat in 1998 to freind for $4000 and traveled around Guetamala for a year. I hitch hicked to California with a Hippy chick I met and then traveled around the country for a year doing odd jobs, ended up back in Key West, bar backed for a few months, and bought my Boat back for $4000. Short version of a long story, getting involved with " The Life" is Cheap and easy. I've seen a 20 year old girl, move to Town, waitress, buy boat, Sail to the Caribbean alone, in less than year.
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There's no right or wrong answers...everyone has different needs and priorities.
@ Sailor Wench, Your story begins with you and your husband..owning a boat and sailing...with your husband and perhaps yourself filling the sailing kitty between adventures.
The OP doesn't have a boat..and doesn't have the money to buy one. He was looking at a Catalina 27 without a working engine for $1,000. Pretty Limited budget.
So before he begins your lifestyle he at least needs to work and save some money to Purchase the boat, the GPS, the engine.... and he would need a plan, at least an outline of one, to earn money along the way, once he had all that together, so he could slip the mooring and sail away.
I'm sure you and your husband didn't fall from the sky onto your sailboat. Some thought and planning went into it, and it took some money to purchase your vessel and outfit it.
What seems to be holding him back right now is a lack of adequate funds.
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Hoorah! By showing my devotedness to the Elder Gods, they have granted me insanity! I SHALL BE EATEN FIRST!! HAHAHAHAHHAHHA-cough-cough-choke-choke-insert-more-evil-laughter-here-!
ETA: *starts handing out copies of Necronomicon on a street corner to all who pass by and will take it, preaching the comings of the Elder Gods, they-who-shall-eat-us-all. Join me! Be the second to be eaten, for I shall be eaten first, and all-man-kind shall follow after me, and lo! the Elder Gods, they-who-shall-eat-us-all, will then move on to all the beasts of the lands, and birds of the skies, and they shall see that all was good, and they shall exalt me, the Prophet of the Elder Gods, they-who-shall-eat-us-all, for being first, and for providing them with the beginnings of such a delectable feast, and they shall look to the oceans for the fish, but lo! they shall not eat of them, for the fish have been the hospitable-care-takers of the Elder Gods, they-who-shall-eat-us-all, and more importantly of the great Cthulhu, he-who-shall-lead-they-who-shall-eat-us-all! Please! For the sake of your sanity, or preferably insanity, join me! Read this book of horrible evil, Necronomicon, and realize within yourselves the joy of being the second to be eaten!*
IF I have to be eaten FIRST, I leave my sauce to my successor in case of his brain is as tough as mine.
*overwhelmed by the power of the Elder Gods, I kneel down and pray with upmost veneration*
May I please offer you my unwashed, long hair? It makes great addition to other foods you have.
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I come as emissary from the Elder Gods to tell you you shall be eaten first when they come to release you.
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Welcome to The Cafe Racer, the emporium of motorcycle classic and cool. We are proud to be the UK's leading supplier of contemporary motorcycle clothing and accessories to keep you safe and stylish on your classic bike, café racer, bobber, brat style custom or scrambler. We are official stockists for Belstaff Motorcycle Jackets and Barbour International and Steve McQueen and we were the first to introduce Deus Ex Machina clothing to the UK. We stock established brands such as Davida alongside exciting emerging brands such as Roland Sands Design and Biltwell. We have a passion for what we do and we only source the best products at the best prices. This is to ensure that you get the best value and of course the latest cool motorcycle gear! We ship worldwide and offer discounted international shipping and free UK delivery. All orders go through our store and warehouse facility which is run by friendly and enthusiastic staff with an in-depth knowledge of all the products we offer. If you have any questions, drop us a line, we'd love to hear from you!
Be sure to check out our Facebook page and blog to keep abreast of new products along with special offers and visit our YouTube channel to see all the latest custom bike builds and events. We're always happy to hear from you so give us a tinkle on +44(0)1273 772222 (10 to 5ish) or go to the contact us page to drop us an email. Want to check out our credentials? The Cafe Racer and the-cafe-racer.com are trading names of Vroom By The Sea Ltd. Vroom By The Sea Ltd is incorporated in England and Wales as a limited company with Registration No. 06578938 and VAT No. 932133161.