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CHILE MS Mounted soldiers in 10th anniversary parades
Santiago (marking takeover of Chilean President, General
Augusto Pinochet's military regime)
CHILE MS Mounted soldiers in 10th anniversary parades
Santiago (marking takeover of Chilean President, General
Augusto Pinochet's military regime)
CS Pinochet along in parade in open top car PULL BACK as
Pinochet waves to crowds
LA Woman empties basin of water from flat balcony onto
crowds below TILT DOWN
LMS Pinochet making speech ZOOM
AV General Pinochet making speech
GV Hall where Pinochet is speaking
LMS Rally in support of Pinochet's regime through streets
TS Crowds on street in support of military regime PAN
round people waving posters of Pinochet and flags
BV Workers from Official Minimum employment scheme
coerced into attending rally
CS Pinochet waving at supporters
MS Seccio Harper, Min of Interior, along through crowds
at rally
MS Demonstrators run through streets after rally chased
by riot police PAN
MS Pro-Pinochet youths run along streets armed with
MS Youths run along street as tear gas is thrown
Shanty Town MS Chilean riot police along road
Nr Santiago MS Chilean military patrols along road in armoured
personnel carriers
MS Riot police jump out of police wagon and start
TS Mourners file by coffins of people killed in police
raids over the weekend
CU Woman weeping
MS Roman Catholic priests hold service for the dead
La Victoria CS Father Pierre Dubois speaking at service
(Shanty Town)GVS Over rooftops of shanties PAN
TS Anti-Pinochet demo and funeral procession PULL BACK
GV Mourners and demonstrators as police advance on them
MS Father Pierre Dubois amongst mourners and demo's
speaking through loudspeaker PULL BACK
CS Children chanting and hitting stones together
BV Father Dubois searching some people for stones
TS Demonstrators chanting and dancing along to cemetery
LMS Demonstrators run and throw stones at police
LMS Police release tear gas cannisters into crowd PULL
BV Father Dubois as he walks along trying to control the
BV Father Dubois staggering along railway line through
tear gas
Santiago LMS Up church aisle
(Suburb) MS Cardinal Silva Enricquez celebrating mass ZOOM
CS Cardinal Enricquez giving sermon
Santiago CMS General Pinochet receiving holy communion at open air
mass to celebrate 10th anniversary of take over by
his military regime PULL BACK
CS Military officers at open air mass
TS Military officers at mass
GV Snow topped mountains on outskirts of Santiago PAN
round to General Pinochet's bunker
MS Pinochet's bunker
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My body image has been distorted for many years. I have never been satisfied with the way I looked. Now, as I look back at pictures of me when I was in high school, it seems crazy to think that I felt so big.
However, July 2008, I had a reason for feeling not so good. When I stepped on that Weight Watchers scale ,the numbers 225.6 were looking back at me. I felt sick. Especially knowing that 20 pounds of that I had gained in that last year.
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I feel like I've been doing the same song and dance lately. I've struggled to lose baby weight after my first (who is now 2). I've had really good intentions, made changes, stuck with them, but the results haven't been as quick as pre-baby (er...toddler....er....preschooler?). Anyways, I'm not at goal (yup, I'm a Weight Watcher through and through). Why? I know it works because I've lost 50+lbs on it. The other day I called up my hairdresser, who was able to get me in the next day.…Continue
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This morning, my husband and I took our little girl sledding. She absolutely loved it, and it was a great workout running back up the hill with a two year old.
So far today has been a good eating day. I've been eating this "Holy Crap" cereal for breakfast lately, but it's so expensive. I went to a bulk store and was able to get the main ingredients (hemp hearts, chia, buckwheat) and seasoned the mix with cranberries and cinnamon. It was way cheaper just to mix it…Continue
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Feeling good. Gained some weight over the holidays - happy with some of the healthy choices I made though.
Life is good. Flipped through some of Weight Watcher Journals from 2009-2010. It's kind of neat to see how my eating pattern has changed for the good/bad. I'm going to try and incorporate some the things I ate for quick snacks and meals when I was at my Goal weight.
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Yeah, I thought it was going to be like the Brian Nichols from a few years earlier except closer to my part of town. Glad the idiot gave up peacefully.
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Funeral set for slain Ga. officer Sunday afternoon - Yahoo! News
Another repeat offender on the street killing a cop. Gives up without a fight like the coward he is.
"Violence is seldom the answer, but when it is the answer it is the only answer".
"A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves".
Yeah, I thought it was going to be like the Brian Nichols from a few years earlier except closer to my part of town. Glad the idiot gave up peacefully.
I think he'll regret it a lot more before this is all over! Prayers for Officer, family and co-workers.
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When asked what he meant, a handcuffed Hood said on tape, "That officer. That innocent officer. I regret that ..." Asked for more details, Hood said, "You know, they killed my brother.
his 22-year-old brother Timothy Hood was shot and killed by an Athens police officer. Investigators said at the time that Timothy Hood pulled a gun on an officer and was shot when the weapon jammed.
^^^^Isn't it just amazing how these knuckledraggers rationalize things.???^^^^^^^
His ignorant,knuckledragger of a brother was obviously doing something under-handed, was pointing a pistol at police, and the police shot him.
Blindfold and a ciggarette for all these cretins, and their ilk.
Short speedy trial, if you murdered in cold blood, you get the gas chamber.
Tough kadiddlehoppers.
This , describing Nichols,
Nick Pergine, who played football with Nichols at Kutztown, said Nichols' massive physical presence and martial-arts skills earned him a reputation as someone to be careful around. Jake Williams, who coached Nichols at Kutztown, compared Nichols' physique (6'1" and 210 lbs) with that of NFL star John Mobley, who also played at the university.[2]
I think if the good Lord had not sent him to Ashley Smith, he(Nichols) would have gone a hell of a lot farther , and left a wide path of destruction in his wake.
Prayers sent to the officers surviving family members.
hopefully this time this knuckledragger will rot in prison.
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Rode on a Patriot Guard mission for an officer who was intentionally set up and ambushed here about 1 yr ago. We had about 3 1/2 miles of bikes. He was in his 20's , and it was some gang-bangers and he had arrested one of their brothers prior to that with drugs and an illegal weapon possession charge. The BG was 'caught' in a field and started firing (handgun and 30-30 rifle) , so a SWAT team took him out in nothing flat. No trial needed.
Sad sad sad day. Prayers to his family. I hope Georgia has the death penalty.
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Monsters in the Bible
The Bible is full of all kinds of interesting lore. Most notably are the various descriptions of monsters and mythical creatures...
(Etymology: First attested 1382, from Old French cocatris, from Late Latin calcātrīx ("she who treads upon something"), from Latin calcō ("tread"), from calx ("heel, hoof").)
A cockatrice is a serpent, hatched from a cock's egg, that can kill with a glance. They are rare nowadays.
- Jermiah 8:17:
- isaiah 11:8:
- isaiah 59:5:
- isaiah 14:29:
(Etymology: From Ancient Greek δεινός (deinos), "terrible, awesome, mighty") + σαῦρος (sauros), "lizard").)
The bible calls them "Behemoths", but it sure sounds like a Dinosaur. This is the passage creationists use to claim that man and Dinosaurs co-existed, for more details see Was Behemoth a Dinosaur?:
- Job 40:
Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him. Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play. He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens. The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about. Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.
(Etymology: From Old French dragon, from Latin dracō, from Ancient Greek δράκων (drakōn), "a serpent of huge size, a python, a dragon"), probably from δρακεῖν (drakein), aorist active infinitive of δέρκομαι (derkomai), "I see clearly").)
These verses falsely predict that Babylon will never again be inhabited and that Dragons will live in Babylonian palaces and satyrs will dance there.
- Isaiah 13:21-22:
(Etymology: Ancient Greek Σάτυροι, Satyroi)
A satyr is a Greek mythological creature, that is half man on the top and half goat on the botom with ears and horns from the goat. It is a very lustful creature, and is often portrayed carrying a flute of some sort.
Satyrs make an appearance two times in the bible:
- Isiah 13:21:
But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there.
- Isiah 34:14:
The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the island, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow; the screech owl also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest.
Sea Monsters
The Leviathan is a huge sea monster (Psalm 74:13-14; Job 41; Isaiah 27:1).
(Etymology: From Hebrew (Biblical and Modern) לִוְיָתָן ("whale").)
The word "Leviathan" appears five places in the Bible:
- Book of Job 3:8 "May those who curse days curse that day, those who are ready to rouse Leviathan "; NIV
- Book of Job 41:1-34: "Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?...He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride." KJV (quoted 1 and 34 only)
- Psalms 74:14: "Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness." KJV
- Psalms 104:24,25: "O LORD, how manifold are thy works! in wisdom hast thou made them all: the earth is full of thy riches. So is this great and wide sea, wherein are things creeping innumerable, both small and great beasts." KJV;
- Isaiah 27:1: "In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea." KJV
This creature is also mentioned twice in the Talmud: Avoda Zara (3b), Moed Katan (25b)
Job 41 goes into detail on the monster:
- Job 41:
(Etymology: Latin ūnicornis, from unus : one + cornu - u : horn.)
Unicorns are mentioned no less than nine times in the Bible (Numbers 23:22, Numbers 24:8, Deuteronomy 33:17, Job 39:9-10, Psalms 22:21, Psalms 29:6, Psalms 92:10, Isaiah 34:7). Most notably the King James Version. More modern translations have replaced the unicorn with "wild ox". Others speculate ancient unicorns may have been rhinoceros.
- Numbers 23:22:
God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn. KJV
Beast With Seven Heads
Take all the horror scripts from hollywood, put them in a blender and you have the Book of Revelation. It contains some pretty radical monsters such as this 10-horned, 7-headed beast:
- Revelation 17:3:
So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
The beast apparently also has quite the fetish for headgear:
- Revelation 13:1:
And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
What could be more fun than Zombies for Jesus!
- Matthew 27:52-53:
Flying/fiery serpents
- isaiah 14:29:
- isaiah 30:6:
- numbers 21:6:
- 1 Peter 2:11:
- psalm 94:6:
NOTE: Some believe "alien" may be a synonym for "immigrant". Additional research on the original language sources may be necessary to gather more details.
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I'd like to burn some very typical straw men. Hopefully, in the debate over Christianity, these unnecessary issues can be avoided.
Creation - Neither Genesis nor any of the scriptures demands that the earth and universe is only 6- to 10- thousand years old. The Hebrew word for "day" (yom) could mean long periods of time. The words "there was morning and there was evening, the first day" could be translated "there was beginning and ending, the first (yom)".
(BTW, the narrative moves to the surface of the earth in Genesis 1:2. While stars were certainly already in existence, their light was not visible on the surface of the earth until the opaque early atmosphere cleared).
Adam and Eve – While scripture does indicate they were specially created, there are gaps in the biblical genealogies that could place Adam and Eve back 60- to 90-thousand years. This would also predict increasing discovery of a common DNA originating between east Africa and the Mesopotamia.
(BTW, the word for "rib" means "side". The story of Eve's creation could mean God created her from Adam for symbolic purposes. I speculate a biopsy, of sorts, from the side, with a few million variations to the DNA producing a female. )
Talking Snakes - A boa constrictor with vocal cords is not in view here. That image comes largely from medieval art. The "serpent" in the garden was intelligent and used for evil. One can only speculate what sort of being it was (perhaps one no longer extant).
The Flood – The fact that a great flood is found in various cultures indicates that it happened. Two questions emerge: which account is most accurate and whether the flood was global or local.
I'm of the opinion that the flood was regional rather than global for several reasons. First, while the flood was universal in effect, it was only regional in extent due to human's not having moved much beyond the Mesopotamia at the time. A global flood was unnecessary.
Secondly, language like "under all the heavens", "all the earth", etc. are most likely from the perspective of the observer, i.e. a flood from horizon to horizon. "Mountains" could be translated "hills" with rain and water "covering" (or running over) them rather than submerging them.
Thirdly, this would mean there were not polar bears and penguins, etc. on the ark, but only animals indigenous to the region and of special relation to man.
Fourthly, a global flood would have torn the ark to pieces, no matter how well built. And it certainly would not have landed anywhere near its original location.
Fifthly, the scripture itself said a "large wind" was used in the evaporation process. Such a wind would have virtually no effect in a global flood.
Finally, if the flood were only regional why not just have Noah, his family, and whatever animals needed, hike out of the area and be safe? Why a big specifically-built ark? I think because God often operates via symbols teaching important truths or significance, i.e. salvation in Christ or deliverance through troubled waters (trials).
Use of Metaphor – The scriptures use metaphor and other literary devices. One need only utilize common exegetical analysis and context to determine what any author meant as literal or metaphorical (and on a case-by-case basis).
Inerrancy – If there are consequential or factual errors in the Bible that does not mean Christianity is false. However, I find it remarkable how well the Bible holds up to scrutiny and that there are plausible answers to discrepancies. Personally, I hold to the Chicago Statement on Inerrancy.
Hell – is not a place of torture (external) but of torment (internal). There are many descriptions of hell in the scriptures. The "fire" is most likely not the chemical combustion we're familiar with. It, combined with all the other descriptions, reduces to separation from God and the judgment of God.
This does not make hell more tolerable (that's not possible). But it does dispel hillbilly theology that has poor souls swatting flames for eternity! Christ depicted conversation taking place "in the flames". No person could have a conversation while on fire! On our familiar planet, one is in mindless torture if burning.
It is, however, a profound tragedy to be eternally separated from God. It is a "spiritual chaos" one enters when the intact "self" survives the physical body. There are indications that some kind of body could exist in hell.
Heaven – is a remarkably physical place. It is not ethereal or immaterial. It is a combination of a "new heaven and new earth". We will live on earth in physical bodies that are "spiritual" which nonetheless have access to one another and continued exploration of the universe without many of the limits of current bodies affected by entropy, etc. Christ's resurrected body could be touched and he ate food, etc. This describes the redeemed, resurrected body.
This is not to be confused with an intermediary state which is not physical. At death, one goes either into the very presence of God to await the resurrection of the body, or in a state of chaos to await final judgment.
"God will not allow anything to happen in your life that you can't handle" – False! Scripturally, there are plenty of things that happen that one cannot handle! Devastating things! The accurate teaching is that nothing will happen that God's grace will not get one through.
"You must become like children" - Christ said to "humble yourself like a little child". It does not mean to be naïve, ignorant, gullible, or irrational.
Pascal's Wager – This is not an argument for God nor necessarily addressed to atheists. Pascal used a popular gambling motif to shake the French laity out of spiritual complacency and to at least move them in the direction of God.
Further, the Wager, as it is commonly used, is not allowed by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15. He said if Christ was not risen, then the jig is up! Christianity is false! He did not say believe it anyway "just in case" or because it provides a positive way of life.
I hope these internal considerations provide food for thought.
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Michael M, in the grand scheme that is right, but for the purpose of changing someones mind, I feel that one can't just repeat "you're wrong" all the time.
Anytime anyone has an idea, people tend to critique the internal consistency of it before they go to external. With history, we tend to use external. The problem with religion is it makes claims about both history and reality.
Internal inconsistency is a very normal way to show people what they believe may not be true.
If you want to convince someone that the Asatru religion is wrong because Thor's hammer weighs too little, then you need to argue what binding historical claims the Asatru religion has made regarding the weight of that hammer.
Micheal I understand the sentiment, but I think that is just discouraged thinking. I used to be an apologist, so I think the faithful can see the light. I have also seen a number of apologists deconvert over the years. The problem is that the large portion of the arguments used by atheists against theists suck.
That is why this thread was made really. The reason why people aren't realizing the truth about atheism is that the proverbial nail isn't being hit on the head. You have to hit the right places.
There are so many bad internal consistency arguments out there, that a theist is justified thinking atheists are wrong at this point. Those bad ones drown out the good ones. But it was the principle of intellectual honesty revealed to me by atheists that caused me to eventually deconvert. There were also a few good arguments here and there. But the bad ones gave me a false sense of confidence for far too long.
John, you are strong in scripture and knowledgeable of history of the Roman Church.
The Roman Church and Imperial Rome are synonymous with Babylon, the Harlot of the Revelation. The whole world is drunk with the filthiness of her spiritual fornications. She has imposed her orthodoxy by the sword ( Who is like the Beast and who can make war with it?). She sits on seven hill in Roman and on seven hills in Constantinople (Istanbul).
There are seven Beastly Bloodlines that ruled the Empire as prophesied. Starting with the Julio-Claudian bloodline and up to and surpassing the Severus dynasties. The Beastly bloodlines are distinguished by the persecution and slaughter of the Holy and Elect people. Nero put the Elect on poles on Vatican Hill and sit them ablaze to give light to the city. The six other Dynasties were no less intolerant. Even the prince of the prophecy of Daniel, who destroy the Temple (Vaspasian and his bloodline) is included among those that persecute and kill the Elect as history attests.
Because of these atrocities, Rome and Constantinople became drunk with the blood of the martyrs and as such God has sent it strong spirits of delusions such that it presents itself as the bastion of Orthodoxy, whereas in Truth is the bastion of the Pagan-Christian lie and blasphemy as foreseen and declared by the prophet.
The Trinity, introduced by no other than Athanasius the Bishop of Alexandria, tips of iceberg of the neo-synthesis with Paganism up and including the Assumption of the Virgin and the Pantheon of Saints that have replaced the Roman Pantheon of Gods that the befuddled and hoodwinked pray to.
Borrowing from Stephen Hawking, here is a "A brief history of Time":
It actually started in the first Century. First signs of pagan Christianity appeared in Israel. There was Hellenistic Church constructed complete with a mosiac of Christ represented as Helios in a mosaic on the floor. Even the use of images is alien to Hebraic Christianity, particularly with the prohibition in the Ten Commandments.
Things came to a head with Emperor Constantine, who sees a cross in the sky and hears a voice saying, "By this sign you shall conquer". Actually a cross is a pagan symbol. There is no where in the Greek manuscripts of the new testament is the cross found. A two beam member has been etched into our minds due to 2000 years of Pagan Christianity reigning as prophesied in the Revelation. Constantine remained a pagan until his death bed, despite calling the Council of Nicea in the 4th Century A.D., which established the bases of Pagan Christianity as we know it today.
The Trinity was a concept alien to Hebraic Christianity and even to gentile Bishops, scattered throughout the Empire, However Athanansius, a Bishop of Alexandria, convinced the council of this pagan concept. Athanansius was a practitioner of Asiatic Trinitarian cults prior to becoming a Christian Bishop. At this time Gnostic contemplations of the Demiurge and the Logos were synthesized in the Roman Greek Christology. One wayward manuscript was recently uncovered in Egypt, entitled, the Gospel of Judas. Rome and Constantinople are ground zero as founts for the proliferation of the Pagan Christianity as prophesied, Christian Roman Empire being represent in the Book of Revelation as a Beast that looked like a lamb with two horns but spoke like a dragon. The two horns are the cities, Rome and Constantinople, seats of Empire and Religious apostasy. And both cities sit on seven hills as revealed in the prophecy. The pope has the title Pontifex Maximus, the title assign to Emperors which originates from Mithraism and the Babylonian Mysteries traditions.Pope wears the Miter Hat which come from worship of the God Dagon.
The Basilica is adorn with a Pantheon of Saints to replace the Roman Pantheon of Gods. Whereas Rome had gods from ever thing from wine on down, these attributes were quickly attributed to the new Roman Saints. This Paganism and Mithraism redressed in the guise of Christianity. "Babylon the Mysterious, mother of Harlots and of every abomination upon the earth ...the whole world had drunken from the cup of her abominations and the fierceness of her fornications" These cities are the Harlot riding the scarlet Beast in these prophecies. This is because she is drunk with the blood of the saints, as prophesied. The Coliseum in Rome typified her drinking cup where thousand of true Christians were slaughtered and fed to the lions. This blasphemous edifice even stands to this very day as witness to the atrocities that the Beast of Rome and Contantinople waged against the truth. Being drunk with the blood of the Saints, God has sent her strong spirits of Delusion such that she now presents herself as the fount of Christianity. whereas in true she is the very fount of apostasy long ago heralded in the prophecies. Look to the Court yard of the Vatican and there is the Obelisk, the standing image, that cause Israel to go into captivity when it was erect in front of the temple in Jerusalem. This is also the origin of church spires and steeples. And combined with the Constantine Cross, and Mithraism Holidays, Christmas (Jews didn't celebrate birthdays, nor winter festivals coinciding with the winter solstice, or the Venereal Equinox, Easter, which come from the babylonian God Isthar, Astarte.
For nearly a thousand years this Beast has spiritually dominated Europe and Russia despite the original empire fragmenting into Kingdoms, though Byzantium, Constantinople, empire east, last until the 13th Century. These two horns, cities remain the seats of apostasy. Both Europe and Russia fall under the auspices of the the Latin Rite and the Orthodox Rite. And as recently as 2007 both Rites have acknowledged the primacy of the Bishop of Rome. This is an ominous sign of the great apostasy and deception to come as the Beast that looked like a lamb but spoke like a dragon blows life into the Imperial Roman Empire. This genesis is in process as we speak as the EU pushes eastward. Turkey is at its footsteps and Russia may be assimilated this Century.
Revelation 17
King James Version (KJV)
17 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
Michael - (not Michael M, - Mike the wanna-be prophet) - RE: "the Pantheon of Saints that have replaced the Roman Pantheon of Gods that the befuddled and hoodwinked pray to"
So what you're saying, is that now, the "befuddled and hoodwinked" have a NEW pantheon to pray to - I guess it really doesn't matter, as long as they stay befuddled and hoodwinked.
You probably won't change their mind. In fact, you'll probably just provide them with an opportunity to prove their faith. I think most deconversions happen on the believer's own time, not under pressure from an atheist. Smart people figure it out on their own. You won't find many dimwits leaving the fold and becoming atheists.
Unseen, I agree in part. I think it is situational though.
I also think that if we get bad arguments out of the way, it will make the choices look more obvious. I think this is especially true in the information age, because people get more exposure to different ideas these days.
Well said.
I do see the difference between god and the grinch. the grinch does not order genocide, force a raped women to marry her rapist, or allow men to sell their daughters into sexual bondage.
The grinch is a vastly more moral character then your god.
And greener!
That is more cart before the horse. First you have to figure out what if the plan works before you figure out if you can find the right guy for the job, (in this case Jesus).
What salvation essentially says is "God knew it was not right for certain people to go to hell". The problem is that what is just concerns what is right in the first place. So either the original law is unjust, or salvation is unjust. But it has to be one or the other. Because according to Christianity, the law of heaven says "It is right that those who sin go to hell"
@Kevin - re: "what about the notion of Christ being sinless and therefore an adequate channel of God's grace?"
The nature of the 'sacrificee' doesn't answer the problem of the atonement argument John laid out. If a penalty is to be paid for a crime, shouldn't the person who committed the crime pay the penalty? Otherwise, what purpose is served by having a penalty?
How is justice done by letting a rapist go free just because someone else was willing to go to jail? Justice is thrown out the window and the whole point of a penalty is lost when someone else pays. It doesn't matter if the substitute was a peach, or a pig (literally or figuratively), willing or unwilling, divine or human.
Karen the part of my argument that I think is the strongest, isn't about Jesus at all though. It is this:
It is as simple as those people are either supposed to be going to heaven, or they are supposed to be going to hell. Justice reflects what is supposed to be.
Salvation would be a major deception then. Because anyone "saved" wasn't supposed to be going to hell in the first place. And if the claim was that they were, the the law sending them there would be flawed, because perfect justice only dishes out what is supposed to happen.
What salvation essentially says is "God knew it was not right for certain people to go to hell for whatever reason, so he made a way that people could get out of it". When something isn't right, justice makes it right. That is what justice does.
Not only that, but 1 Timothy 2:4 says that God wants all to be saved. If a deity is perfect, his desire would be only for what is right, not some imperfect desire for what is not supposed to happen. So that suggests that there is a darn good reason why it is best that everyone is saved. Perfect justice would reflect that.


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Adding Safety To the Quality Equation
October 15, 2003
FEATURE ARTICLE | Operations, Close-Ups
For Therma-Tru Corp., being a preferred brand of entry doors and producing high-quality, beautiful products doesn't fully define success. Being a true leader also means being a preferred place of employment and delivering operational excellence in all of our facilities. One hallmark of operational excellence is a safe workplace, where smart manufacturing processes and proactive communication ensure that all associates enjoy the most productive, rewarding work environment.
One of the keys to improving safety in the workplace is creating an environment where there is open dialogue and true teamwork among all associates in the facility—from the drivers who deliver materials and pick up finished products to the line associates to the engineers and to the management team. This communication leads to trust and a trust-based culture is essential in making a workplace safer and more productive.
As our business has grown, we have faced the challenge of increasing the productivity and efficiency at our plants to meet growing demand. And, although the company already had an excellent safety record, we wanted to create a "best-in-class" safety program. So in 2000, Therma-Tru embarked on a major initiative to improve operational excellence in our manufacturing facilities in Butler, IN; Roland, OK; Fredericksburg, VA; Wilmington, NC; Phoenix; and Matamoros, Mexico. Key objectives of the initiative included:
- Making the plants safer workplaces and reducing lost-time or restricted work accidents by 20 percent annually.
- Freeing up floor space for finished products.
- Increasing productivity in focused areas by 100 percent or more.
- Implementing efficient capacity additions to production lines that could meet or exceed demand levels.
- Safety is the responsibility of everyone in the company.
- The management team is accountable for leading our safety effort.
- Working safely is a condition of employment for all associates.
- All injuries are preventable.
Therma-Tru turned to the "5S" philosophy, adding a sixth S—safety—into the equation. For those unfamiliar with 5S, it is a kaizen (continuous-improvement) discipline based on five Japanese words that begin with "S." It is a business-improvement strategy that seeks to identify, reduce and eliminate defects from every product, process and transaction; to guide teams in outlining new processes for every step in the manufacturing process; as well as developing new training programs for associates. The 5S process includes:
- Seiri, clearing up or sorting—Sort out what you do not need, only leave essentials.
- Seiton, organizing storage—A place for everything and everything in its place.
- Seiso, cleaning and shining—Keep the place clean and stuff will be easier to find.
- Seketsu, standardizing—Everyone agrees on the "right" way to operate.
- Shitsuke, training and discipline, sustainability—Hold yourselves to the changes that are implemented.
The 5S approach made us really evaluate every aspect of our manufacturing process. It's all about delivering continuous improvement and eliminating waste. It isn't easy. You have to look at everything through the eyes of the customer and eliminate everything that doesn't add value. We were able to reduce travel distance between production lines, improve productivity, reduce overtime and avoid costs. More importantly, we were able to create a more collaborative work environment.
One of the key elements of the initiative was a renewed focus on the safety culture. Therma-Tru developed a cross-functional team to:
- Review risks and engineer safer procedures.
- Educate associates on smart workplace decisions and correct inefficient work practices.
- Enforce the new guidelines with positive support and rewards.
- Drive specific behaviors that support safe work practices.
- Make the safe work practices and rewards part of the culture.
Many companies have an invisible culture in their facilities outside of the stated policies and procedures. It embodies what people really believe and how they act, regardless of what they are expected to do. Our goal was to eliminate this invisible culture and create a clear understanding of what every associate needed to do to contribute to a trust-based culture.
Research shows that low-trust cultures have more injuries than high-trust cultures. But a company can create a cycle of trust that continually reinforces and rewards positive behavior. It all begins when an associate has a positive thought about improving his or her job or performance. When this is met with a positive reaction from a team member, then a positive action is taken. From that, a positive opinion is formed by the associate and the positive action is noticed and rewarded by the team member. This reinforces the positive opinion formed by the associate and encourages everyone to continue to bring forward more positive thoughts. Bottom line, it creates a safer workplace where associates trust that their input is valued and implemented. Ultimately, the associates become safety champions engaged in collective improvements.
Our company's investment in safety is paying off. All six of our facilities have seen significant reductions in lost time and restricted work incidents during the past three years. Therma-Tru's Roland, OK, facility has become the safety champion of the company. At the 2003 Oklahoma Governor's Safety and Health Conference, it received the 2003 Governor's Award for Safe Performance for its safety improvements. It also received the 2003 Safety Culture Award of Excellence from the Oklahoma Department of Labor's Worker Safety Council, and the Pewter Stag Award from Hartford Insurance for exceeding 500,000 hours without a lost-time accident. Therma-Tru managers and associates were able to deliver an 85 percent improvement in restricted-work and lost-time injuries from 1999 to 2002.
We are using our experience at the Roland facility as a benchmark for safety programs around the country. We are now using key learnings from the Roland program with our safety teams, incentive programs, videos, pamphlets, presentations, meetings, handbooks and manuals to drive its companywide effort to constantly and consistently improve workplace safety.
We started with a very focused safety initiative and a strategic plan for accomplishing our goals. But we learned so much along the way from our associates, particularly in Roland, that we are continually reinventing the program to reflect their insights and experiences. It just proves that, by working as a team, we can achieve our goals faster and more efficiently.
As a company, we not only work to continue improving upon this record, we also work with many of our distributors, educating them on ways to improve productivity, efficiency and safety within their operations. We recommend that leaders who want to create a trust-based culture focused on safety consider the following:
- Make the case for change. Communicate the benefits of proactive safety improvements. Show how systematically identifying and controlling risks before incidents occur improves everyone's job.
- Share your vision. Establish clear expectations for the safety culture and how you see everyone working together to create it.
- Build trust. Listen. Observe. Respond positively. Repeat. Leaders should make at least one safety-related contact every day.
- Develop capabilities. Create a cross-functional team that includes the input of a range of associates in a variety of positions. This ensures that you have good perspective on the challenges and solutions. Review all job procedures and job injury and illness reports. Review near misses. Brainstorm "what if?" concerns. Create solutions that address each concern.
- Monitor progress. Get everyone involved in measuring success. Make it as important as meeting production or financial goals.
- Recognize people. Let associates know how valuable they are in creating a safe workplace.


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I joined this site back in May 2008 to try to shed some light on Streetbeasts and the changes we've been though in the last 10 -15 years. Almost immediately I was verbally assassinated by Jon and the Mods, Ive answered every question you've asked as honestly as I could, everything from our connection with CMC/Fiberfab to buying them out , paying back all their outstanding orders, and starting "Streetbeast in 1998, What ever happened before that , has nothing to do with now, We currently sell 30-40 kits a month, deliver them , and our customers are happy, of course we have a problem from time to time , what company doesn't? We don't strong arm anyone to buy our kit, if anything we offer a 3 year layaway plan that actually allows customers who would normally not be able to afford to build a hot rod . We offer show specials, certain option packages,or savings if a person buys now, I think this is called "Car Sales" which has been going on for 100 years. I don't think we've ever financially ruined anybody like you say, or put a gun to anyones head to buy our product. We advertise just like every other company, customers call us for a catalog, we follow up with them to answer their questions, offer them a deal we have going at the time and if the are interested they buy the car. We don't prey on anybody? If were such a bad company , how come so many people have built our cars into award winning show cars( Just look at our Customer Gallery) As far as stooping as low as to use profanity towards Jon, I apologize, but when you believe so deep in your heart about something and someone is so dead set on bashing you and putting you in a corner, you have to retaliate . As far as us impersonating Curt scott , thats bizarre because it never came from here, and Jon , no ones going to ruin you financially but this corporation will do what it takes to stop the negative press prior to 1998 as it has no bearing to Streetbeasts current status or business practices,
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That's because the really nice ones are either built by someone with years of experience or by professionals. The average guy with average ability has only a marginal chance of winding up with a masterpiece.
Oh yes you are! They're products are at least faithful copies of the original. When you build a Gibbons or Outlaw bodied car you wind up with one that actually looks like the original. That simply is not the case with most of Street Beast/Classic Motor Carriages/Fiberfab's offerings.
Biggest maybe but best is highly debatable. Perhaps this article written by a former CMC employee will shed some light on the "advertising and sales" tactics used by your company. Just because the name has changed doesn't mean the tactics and high-pressure sales have changed.
Also while I'm at it, how about an article that appeared in Car and Driver magazine a few years ago that will help shed a little more light on the dismal reputation and past history of Street Beast/Classic Motor Carriages/Fiberfab.
When all is said and done little has changed since the days of Fiberfab and CMC. The design is still a poor representation of the original, and the frame still leaves a lot to be desired. On the other side, customer service must have approved since as far as I can tell there are no pending law suits or BBB complaints and the quality of the fiberglass work is better. From my point of view, thats about all I can say good about the company.
Have I built a Street Beast? No. Would I build a Street Beast? Not even if it was free. Have I been badgered by Street Beast sales people? Yes, until I changed my phone number. You see I made the mistake of actually inquiring about one of their Cobra kits once. I'll never do that again, I can assure you.
It's too bad really, Street Beast's Willys and Cobra aren't too bad when it comes to fidelity to the original (although the Cobra is stretched a little). Its the molds for their street rods that were inherited from CMC and Fiberfab that are so terrible. It's too bad that Street Beast can't see how bad they really are and invest some of its profits into new molds and an improved design. Don't hold your breath for that to happen though.
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Is that the best you can come up with, Those artictle are more like 12 years old almost as old as this thread. You really need to stop referring this company to CMC and Fiber Fab, This has been turned over to our attorney and you will be contacted if not already , I dont think you have enough equity in those cars you own to withstand a Civil Liable Lawsuit , if I were you Id pull the plug on this thread immediately and walk away, and remove the Wiki site from your main page , let people find it on their own
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On page 19, post 275, you actually DID threaten or imply legal suit against this board. Maybe not against Jon himself, but you did try to use what is known as "libel freeze". You had a wonderful opportunity here to clear up some ongoing questions. Simply owning up from the start, and keeping away from the personal profane attacks would have given anything you had to say soooo much more credibility. Unfortunately, you started a spin and deception campaign, and have seriously lowered not only your own credibility and image, but that of the company as well. Can you turn it around? Possibly, but as I'm sure you have heard, "You never get a second chance to make a first impression".
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Which are your favorite brands and types of chocolate bars for eating (as opposed to cooking) commonly available in US Supermarkets? I'm in NYC, so any available particularly in NYC supermarkets are OK too.
Which Are the Best Chocolate Bars Available in the USA?
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For a chocolate treat head to organic markets, Zabars, or Whole Foods. They sell lots of brands (NOT Dove or Nestle, etc), with up to 90% dark chocolate. Dark chocolate is the only way to go. There is no particular brand I can recommend, but it's a fun experiment trying out all the organic brands of good chocolate. You'll be shocked how many types of good chocolate there are out there. You will never have to eat Hershey's again.
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While I agree with KK that organic and fairly traded chocolate bars tend to be better, I disagree that dark chocolate is the only way to go.
A couple brands that I find particularly good are Theo and Equal Exchange. The darks are great-especially the Theo dark with chile and spices, and EE's caramel and sea salt bar. But I also really like Theo's milk- kind of a creamy dark milk with lots of chocolate flavor and EE's milk with hazelnut-bold chocolate and toasty-flavored hazelnut-not a blend of chocolate and Nutella!
Theo also makes a curried coconut milk chocolate bar that sounds weird, but is really, really tasty and finishes with a subtle zing of heat. Love it!
The best chocolate chile bar I've ever had is Vogres', but they don't commit to organic or fair trade, so I don't buy them too much. They make some other unusually flavored bars, like milk chocolate-bacon (hated it) and lavender (meh).
I know it's fashionable to to pooh-pooh white chocolate, but Green and Black's makes a delicious organic vanilla white as does El Rey-though I've only found it as baking or cooking chocolate. El Rey's blanco is very hard to temper as it is not conched as finely as most American or European produced chocolate, but the flavor is fantastic.
If you are in Brooklyn, you might check out the fellow who is making raw chocolate bars and selling them at the Park Slope Farmers' Market-interesting technique and nice flavor. It seems to be an emerging trend in chocolate production that preserves a lot of the indigenous fruity taste of the cocoa beans that can be destroyed during traditional roasting processes. Here's a link to his site:
What I meant by "dark is the only way to go" foodnfoto is that many people mistakenly think that chocolate is sweet. It is not naturally sweet. In fact it is better and the higher percentage of chocolate in the package means the more bitter it is. Personally I do not care for milk chocolate, that's not to say there is no place for it. But I find it to be a diluted flavor of chocolate all together. I enjoy the true taste of chocolate which is surprisingly rich and bitter. No easter bunnies for me.... although once in a while I do crave a kit kat!
I remember the first time I had a 99% Cocoa bar, WOW! You only take bits at a time on a bar like that, believe me. It took a little bit of time before I got over the initial shock but I do enjoy it now. I also like cocoa nibs to add a bit of extra texture with additional flavor.
I like to try different brands of chocolate bars when I get a chance. But when I do I usually go darker and will have one "section" or "square" and that would be it until another time. Lindt makes some decent chocolate bars and their excellence line is good. Although they've very recently had some reformulations to a couple of their bars. The reformulations have been for the worse...they've made the "new" bars using soya lecithin.
We've stopped producing bars with the previous 70% Cocoa recipe. However, if you liked the intense cocoa flavor found in the previous recipe, we recommend you try the Excellence 85% Cocoa or Excellence 90% Cocoa. If you have any further questions, please contact our Customer Care department.
While the old Lindt bars are very good, my favorite has been Sharffen Berger for a little while now.
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My favorite chocolate is still Weiss. It's not easy to find but it's so good. I usually prefer dark chocolate but one of their milk chocolate is just divine. They have great dark chocolates as well. Weiss mainly produce chocolates for making confections but does offer a selection of chocolate bars.
we have one of these here, do you?
I buy their special dark chocolate for my Louis Tres.
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My favorite chocolate bars are made by Milka in Germany. All different varieties, and all that I've had have been top notch quality. My personal favorite is milk chocolate with hazelnuts. The Wife-to-be loves the one filled with chocolate mousse.
Zabars is good the have some nice choclates there, I like whole foods also you can get gnosis choclate at whole foods all the different flavors are good.
Belcolade belgin Single Origin Uganda 80% mmm so good
Michel Cluizel 70 and 85% dark choclate
Green & Black makes an amazing organic white chocolate bar
I like the belcolade cacao powder as well I eat this sometimes.. with honey it makes a great sauce
Anybody else use worldwidechocolate .com to get choclates?
Since 2007 I've been opering my own artisan chocolate and pastry shop, and sicne I've worked with a lot of chocdoalte, and many varities, I've come to afew conclusions:
1) Organic or fair trade chocolate does not neccesarily taste any "better" than non organic or non fair trade.
2) Organic and fair trade couverture is not readily availble in sizes (5 kg, 10 kg units) that I need.
3) The organic /ft couvertue that I can bring in is quite costly compared to a higher end European couverture, and tha majority of my customers will not put "their money where there mouth is" , and will choose non organic over organic soley on the price.
4) "70%, or "80" etc. is no indicator of how good the chocolate is, it is only an indicator of how much cocoa content is in there, and respectively, of how much sugar is in there
I constantly tell my customrs to read the ingredient list. If "Cocoa mass/Cocoa liqor" is the 5 or 6th ingredient down the list, there ain't much chocolate in that bar. If fats other than cocoa butter are listed, it will leave your mouth greasy, oily, or waxy, and if the label has "Dutched cocoa" or "Alkalized Cocoa" (which it must, by law, if it is used) then this is an inferior cocoa bean that has been treated with alkalai to remove bitterness and foreign odours.
You do get what you pay for. Some of the best tasting solid bars are the 5 gram tablets put out by the high end mnfctrs like Valrhona, Cluizel, El Rey, and others. These are almost always "Single origin" chocolates, with the beans all coming from one area, much like wine. Very pricey and very good
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foodpump; ...Some of the best tasting solid bars are the 5 gram tablets ...
You forgot Côte d'Or! When you order a coffee in Belgium, many times you will recieve a chocolate with it and sometimes a Cote d'Or "mignonette". Also available in supermarkets for a small treat at home. On tip; get the "noir de noir".
I was not aware that Dutched or Alkalized cocoa is made from inferior cocoa bean's. I thought it was just used to remove some of the natural bitterness of the bean weather it is a good or bad quality bean. Is this not true? Is it like flour when you see bleached enriched white flour it is a lesser quality flour. Same thing with cocoa? I thought there were some good dutch procssed cocoa out there such as Belcolade.
Beans aren't naturally bitter. They can be if harvested too early or poorly fermented. You should be able to buy "cocoa nibs" or cocoa beans at your higher end supermarkets or Latino grocery stores. Try one. They aren't bitter.
Dutching is nothing new. Van Houten developed the process well over 200 years ago.
Like I said, all mnfctrs MUST declare if they use dutched cocoa, rule applies to N. America as well as the rest of the world. None of the higher end lines will use it. Hershey's (See "special dark) makes a big thing out of it. But, true to law, declares it, albeit rather loudly, on their labels.
Professional Canadian chefs & bakers etc can find a good line of 18 different organic Fair Trade couvertures, cocoas, sugars and more from Camino (based in Ottawa).
see; http://www.lasiembra.com/camino/en/professional-industrial-lines
American professionals can get bulk organic Fair Trade chocolate & cocoas, etc from Sweet Earth Organics in California http://sweetearthchocolates.com/level.itml/icOid/34
And any one just looking for great organic, Fair Trade chocolate bars can found our 9 different varieties (ranging from 38% milk chocolate to 80% Extra dark) either online ( http://shop.equalexchange.com ) or at Whole Foods or their local natural food store or Food co-op.
(And for Canadian shoppers we also strongly recommend the chocolate bars from our friends at Camino - available at many? most? Loblaws and specialty food stores).
Lastly, as a chocolate company that works directly with cacao farmers in four countries and as one that uses both dutched and non-dutched cocoa (often from the same sources) we can assure you that dutched doesn't mean inferior beans were used. It's just a matter of achieving a particular desired taste profile.
PS - thanks to FoodnFoto for the kind words.
No products or sizes were listed on that site, and I have communicated with Camino people and distributers here in Vancouver several times. Only if I import in container sized quanatities would I be able to get bulk f/t couverture. So far, the only chocolates and couvertures available that bear the f/t and organic labels are the 100 gram bars.
How long are the dutched beans fermented as opposed to the unfermented?
Hang on, just found the link on the side of the page. Looks good, be contacting Ottowa directly, the Vancouver distrubuters made it very clear they only want to carry the 100gram bars
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for me its green & blacks...amazing balance of flavors....dark espresso, white chocolate w/ madagascar vanilla, mint/dark chocolate, mayan gold with orange are my favorites... best part is that its organic and free trade, as well...i won a few awards couple of years ago with my 'chocolate without borders' 3 tiered chocolate mousse dessert, using 13 green & blacks chocolates from around the world..it was the quality of the chocolate that did it..i was just there to pull it all together....and green & blacks graciously donated all the chocolate! when you're talking about enough chocolate for 600 samples, that's a lot.....
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I adore Green & Black's chocolates.
BUT - a must when I visit London is the Scottish chocolatier, Will Curley - his stuff has to be tasted, to be believed!
Had a good look at G & B's 100 gr tablets in the supermarket yesterday. Why do they put in milk powder in all of thier "dark" chocolates? This is a big no-no in all E. U. countries, if it contains any milk product it can only be labled "milk chocolate".
All of the cocoa we use - be it for cocoa powder or for chocolate - comes from organic, fermented beans.
One can read/see more about some our organic farmer co-op partners at these links:
And here is a two part travelogue of a trip to visit the CONACADO co-op in the Dominican Republic. CONACADO is the world's largest exporter of organic cocoa, so almost all the major organic brands (Green & Black, Dagoba, Newman's, etc) are using their beans, though not all are buying on Fair Trade terms.
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One of the best around here (Monterey, CA) is Lula's. Both milk and dark are outstanding. They are a local company but are sold at Whole Foods here so maybe they are sold at all Whole Foods. See's is my all time favorite, it's not the best when matched up with gourmet chocolate but it's the chocolate equivalent of comfort food. They've been around for forever and a store that will hand you a piece of chocolate the minute you walk in the door will always have a special place in my heart!
I'm not sure what happened to my reply, which I posted (and it looked like it was posted, yesterday).
I had a close look at G&Bs bars in my local supermarket. The dark chocs (ie 70 per cent and more) stated on them that they 'MAY contain milk, lactose, nuts - which is par for the course for all European food labels, if the production machines have been used to make different types of sweets., chocs, puddings etc. It doesn't mean they contain the listed items, just covering themselves legally!
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Ah yes, Belgian chocolate. Very good stuff, as most of the Belgian chocolate comes from a very famous orchard near Brussels. Swiss chocolate, on the other hand comes mainly from a region near Huenerberg, in the chalky soil of the Kanton Zug.....
Just messin' with ya. Cocoa trees only grow in very hot and humid conditions, usually right around the equator.
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