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A quick guide to 'Dipping' your minis
This is a guide on using "Dip" or "Dipping" as a technique to quickly paint miniatures. "Dipping" is a technique that is very easy, saves a bunch of time, and looks really great on a variety of figures. The technique has been out there for a long time, most famously here.
This thread is mainly a re-cap and gathering of posts and images from my thread Godzilla Tyranid Army
This is a very easy paintjob that looks like a million bucks and is easy to do.
I used a Carnifex model to show how to get the paintjob that you see on the Tyrant above.
The steps needed are as follows:
1. Spray the LIGHTER color that you want on the model. I do this when it's still on the sprue, but that is totally up to you. Don't worry too much about a even, smooth spray job right now. Just don't get it runny or gloppy.
2. Clip the pieces off the sprue and then REMOVE THE MOLD LINES – it's very important that you get the mold lines off the model because 'dip' really makes them stand out. This can't be stressed enough!
3. Assemble and touch up the light color. On a bigger model,like this carnifex, do the legs/tail and body first, then mate them. Leave the head and arms off for now.
A few words on getting the carnifex to stand up better –
Trim the parts that are on the legs that get glued to the tail – don't lop 'em of, but cut the corners down so they have some play in the socket. Now that they are loose, position the legs so that the tail will be on the ground.
Also, cut these 3 spine bits off. They get in the way of the body/chest assembly from bending further up.
Here is the Dakka Rifle I made, in honor of and in the style of RudyPicardo
At this stage you should have the body assembled and mated to the tail/legs. Paint the carapace whatever color you like (in my example, red) and then touch up the first color. (Tan)
You can see a few spots that need to be addressed…
It's a lot easier to assemble and paint / touch-up without the arms attached. Once you are done with that, attach the arms. They were painted before assembly as well, along with the head.
One other note, if you are going to add any detail or accent color, do it to the head and weapons. They are the part that counts. The gun cables are a different color on this model because it is armed with a devourer – I made the cables and muzzle pink. It turned out looking like pepto-bismol, but worst things can happen! (my chief complaint is the lack of contrast, not the color) The gun cables on my other shooty 'fexes are green. Again, this was just done for variety and to make the Dakka look different.
Here are photos with the weapons attached.
If you look at the pictures at this point, you see a paintjob that a 10yr old can accomplish! The bulk of the model has 2 colors on it, and the detail work on the guns and head are very simple. So far, not including the time it takes for paint and glue to dry, I have about 45min-1 hour spent on this model. (although this one has an extra 20 min spent making the devourer rifle…)
Ok, now for the last 10 minutes of painting… the 'dip'
I use this stuff slightly thinned out with odorless mineral spirits (available wherever you get the 'dip') at a ratio of 10 :1 or possibly 8:1 . If you get it too thin it starts separating and getting really strange. Get it to the consistency of heavy cream – milk is too thin!
I think I added 2 cap-full of thinner to the small can of 'dip'. It will float, so shake well.
Now get an old brush and brush it on! In places where a bit more texture is welcome, glop it on. Legs, ribs, shoulders, etc… On the bits that you spent the time detailing, make a very light coat – it will act like a clear coat if you apply it thin enough.
One more thing – on these Carnifex models, the bottom of the chest, where the row of spikes are, there is a seam where the chest pieces mate. That area is a low spot and will collect a bunch of dip and needs to be smoothed out about 15 minutes later. Take your brush with a bit of thinner on it and dab it off. You should be able to load your brush with the glop from that spot and then use it to get the couple of other spots that you missed! (trust me. 15 min later you will see some places that you were just sure you got!)
After applying the 'dip' DON'T TOUCH IT FOR 8-12 HOURS!!!!! This is not our acrylic hobby paint, but polyurethane wood finish. It takes a long time to dry and is really tacky/sticky as it dries. Just leave it alone overnight.
And that next morning it will look like this.
Yes, it really is that easy!!
This Gaunt looks great, and has only the tan, red, and dip on it!!
Same with these Rippers.
Tan and red on the body, black in the mouth, white on the teeth, dip. Thats it!
What dip could I get here in Ireland that would get the same effect?
Since I live in the US, I can't directly answer that question.
However, the 'Dip' is a wood finish. specifically, an "all-in-one polyurethane woodstain and finish."
If you were to go to a shop that has DIY home repair items and ask for something that is a "all-in-one polyurethane woodstain and finish." you will probably get the right stuff.
Please look at this link HERE
This is the original page that got the information out there for all to use. The 'Dip' they show is a French product, and should be available throughout Europe.
I hope this helps, and please post back if you have any luck finding a good product. Cheers!
I decided to add these photos to show that the 'dip' does not have to be really glossy.
All of these models have a final coat of (fairly thin) 'dip' on them. These models also have more advances painting techniques used on them than the above miniatures… Just wanted to show the versitality of 'dip' as a final coat/varnish.
Also check out the tutorial thread on the forum or comment below


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The proposal is expected to emerge as one of a series of improvements in the government's communications system when the Phillis report confirms its verdict that "a three-way breakdown in trust" occured between government, media and voters even before Lord Hutton's inquiry.
Testimony last year, which saw the committee issue its interim recommendations after Alastair Campbell's resignation as No 10 communications chief, has persuaded members that voters no longer trust statistics direct from governments that may "spin" them in a more favourable light - and at a time of their own choosing.
Another suggestion by the review committee, chaired by Bob Phillis, chief executive of the Guardian Media Group, is that openness and transparency in Whitehall would be better served if the morning briefings given by No 10 to political reporters was televised and ministers did more such briefings themselves.
As the sharply declining interest in Tony Blair's monthly press conferences suggests, such a change might not always make for rivetting viewing. But the committee, whose members come from both sides in the "spin wars", appears to recognise how corrosive the issue has become.
It is also expected to propose a more liberal interpretation of the Freedom of Information Act, which runs directly counter to Whitehall's instincts. The committee's confidence has been boosted by Lord Hutton's revelations about the machinery of government which occurred "without the roof falling in".
Downing Street has already accepted that it must appoint a senior - and neutral - civil servant with the rank of permanent secretary to oversee the government information and communications and provide stronger, more professional control of the Whitehall information network.
The background to the review is the ill will between New Labour and the media after a successful phase when Mr Blair, Peter Mandelson and Mr Campbell largely neutralised the systemic hostility and misinformation of most of the Conservative press by adopting its enemy's tactics.
The result has been damaging for both sides, with falling voter turnout matched by falling readership for most titles. The Hutton report on January 28 is likely to further damage the standing of both parties.
Mr Phillis's report is said to suggest more direct communication with voters, via the internet and other new technologies, cutting out the intermediaries of the mass media.
· The veteran Labour ex-minister, George Foulkes, MP for Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley for 25 years, announced yesterday he will not be standing at the next general election.
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New York City In a memo to company associates on Oct. 29, Leonard Riggio, chairman of Barnes & Noble, warned that the economic outlook is grim, the holiday season will likely be terrible for the bookseller, and there is no indication that things will improve soon.
The Wall Street Journal posted a copy of the memo on Monday. In it, Riggio stated: "Never in all of the years I've been in business have I seen a worse outlook for the economy. And never in all my years as a bookseller have I seen a retail climate as poor as the one we are in. Nothing even close.
"The latest bubble in our system has burst, this time taking with it the hopes and dreams of tens of millions of Americans, and leaving many more in fear of their now uncertain futures. Worse, the full extent of the potential damage is still not known as this confluence of financial disasters has no precedent in our nation's history. Moreover, uncertainty itself can lead to more damage in the system, and thereby help accelerate the downward slide. Alas, we live in a consumer-driven economy: the paradox being that if we don't spend, we go broke."
Although he predicted many retail leaders will be forced to close, he assured associates that Barnes & Noble will not be one of those. Instead, he pointed to the company's strong performance metrics such as overall company profitability, excellent standing with the banking community, and positive cash flow. "Even with this year's large sales shortfall, we will make a decent profit, and end the year without owing a penny to our banks," he noted.
However, Riggio conceded that, "Barnes & Noble, too, has suffered from this crisis, albeit not as severely as most retailers, and certainly not as much as other booksellers. As you know, our comparable store sales have declined for the first time in our history. As a result, we are bracing for a terrible holiday season, and expect the trend to continue well into 2009, and perhaps beyond."
Although the company does not plan to make "Draconian cuts in capital spending," Riggio said new store openings would be curtailed greatly in 2009, but he did not quote a number. In the company's second-quarter report, planned store openings for 2009 dropped from an earlier prediction of 25 new locations to 20.
On a positive note, Barnes & Noble announced Tuesday that it had signed a lease to open a new bookstore in Elk Grove, Calif., in June of 2010.
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January 2013
18th annual Women's Conference to be held March 1
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(Jan. 29, 2013) The 2013 University of Denver Women's Conference will be held on March 1. This year's theme "Harnessing the power of Title IX," celebrates the 40th anniversary of Title IX, the groundbreaking legislation known as Gender Equity in Education.
This all-day conference will examine the impacts of Title IX on the past, how it currently is utilized and how we may harness its power for the ongoing advancement of women in the United States. See the conference location and schedule. Please note that the first 75 to register will receive a special gift. You are welcome to attend just a portion of the day's events if you cannot stay for its entirety.
Campus Safety alert
(Jan. 29, 2013) Campus Safety wants all University of Denver community members to be aware of this Crime Stoppers bulletin from the Denver Police Department, issued following two forcible fondling incidents which occurred on or adjacent to campus last week. As a reminder, Campus Safety offers a walking escort for students, staff and faculty who do not want to walk on campus alone after dark. Escorts will walk you to and from any location on campus. To request an escort, call 303-871-2334. As a reminder, in life-threatening emergencies, or when you need immediate police, fire or medical assistance,make the following two calls: 911 and 303-871-3000 (Campus Safety).
Want to be featured in our magazine?
(Jan. 22, 2013) The University of Denver Magazine is looking for faculty and staff desks to feature in its upcoming issues. Do you have items on your desk that tell an interesting story about you and your work? If so please contact Greg Glasgow, magazine editor: email@example.com.
Women's College Dean Lynn Gangone honored by chamber
(Jan. 22, 2013) Lynn Gangone, dean of The Women's College (TWC) at the University of Denver, has been named one of the "25 Most Powerful Women" in Denver by the Colorado Women's Chamber of Commerce (CWCC) during a gala on Jan. 16.
The 25 women chosen are "leaders, innovators, trendsetters, role models and mentors," said Donna Evans, CWCC president and CEO.
Lynn said her passion is women's equality, something CWCC values by striving for equal opportunity connections. "I channel my passion for women's equality through education, specifically leading The Women's College. It's important to me to extend the opportunity to women to lead and make a difference in the world," she noted.
The CWCC is comprised of more than 1,000 members representing corporate executives, small business owners, nonprofits, as well as government employees. The CWCC is the "premier organization that provides opportunities and visibility for women in business through relationship development, education, mentorship, partnership and alliances."
See the full press release.
Women's College associate dean receives MLK lifetime achievement award
(Jan. 22, 2013) Arthur Jones, associate dean of inclusive excellence at the Women's College of the University of Denver, has received the Lifetime Achievement Award from the Colorado Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Holiday Commission. The award was presented to Jones on Jan. 15, during the 28th anniversary of the Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Holiday Commission Celebration.
Jones is well known in Denver for his role as chair of the Denver Mayor's Commission on Cultural Affairs (2006–10) and as founder of the Spirituals Project.
Based at DU, the Spirituals Project is a multiracial, multigenerational organization that uses research, education and musical performance to raise awareness about historical oppression. According to Jones, the project began as a series of concerts, lectures and workshops focusing on the songs created and first sung by African-American slaves in the 18th and 19th centuries. Jones wanted to preserve what he calls "an important American cultural treasure."
2013 Founders Day award recipients
(Jan. 15, 2013) The University of Denver recognizes outstanding achievements or contributions by members of the University family during the annual Founders Day Gala, and is pleased to announce the 2013 Founders Day award recipients.
Ammi Hyde Award for Recent Graduate Achievement
Mr. T. Ryan Greenawalt (BSBA '02)
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Ms. Karen J. (Young) Mathis (BA '72)
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Mr. Ronald I. Grahame (BA '73)
Professional Achievement Award
Carter Anne Prescott (BA, CWC '71)
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Mrs. Margot Gilbert Frank (BA '71)
Please mark your calendars and plan to join us as we celebrate these outstanding individuals and the University of Denver's 149th anniversary!
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Daniels College of Business announces 2013 Voices of Experience speakers
(Jan. 8, 2013) Register today to hear one or more of the outstanding speakers coming in 2013 for the Voices of Experience series offered by the Daniels College of Business. Please note that the first event on Monday, Jan. 28, featuring John Mackey, CEO of Whole Foods, is sold out.
Daniels is proud to bring CEOs and significant leaders into our community to share lessons learned on ethical leadership, sustainability and managing through challenging economic times. The Voices of Experience speaker series is a free event and open to the public. See the list of 2013 dates and speakers.
Student outreach in India benefits from new partnership
(Jan. 8, 2013) The University of Denver's International Student Admission office has recently partnered with the International Knowledge Center (IKC) in Bangalore, India, to help attract qualified undergraduate Indian students. For an annual membership fee, the University will receive reduced costs on recruitment travel in India, on-the-ground follow-up for inquirers and applicants throughout the country, a permanent University "desk" that students and parents can call or visit related to their applications, and receptions for prospective and current students and parents to which alumni will also be invited. All of this will be at no cost to the applicants.
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Faculty and staff enjoy 20 percent discount for University College Enrichment Program
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Dean Hill featured in 5280 Magazine
(Jan. 4,2013) The January 2013 issue of Denver's 5280 Magazine features an article based on an interview with the University of Denver's Christopher Hill, dean of the Josef Korbel School for International Studies. Read the article.


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International recognition for Maltese photographer
Maltese photographer Alex Attard recently received a number of awards from two influen-tial international photographic organisations.
Attard scooped up four awards at the International Photography Awards including the prestigious third place in the Industrial Architecture category with his photograph Service Station, just missing out on a nomination to the high profile Lucie Awards taking place in New York this month.
His picture of the scaffolding around the bastions also won an award, as did his abstract series of a local showroom. This is the second time Attard has been awarded by the IPA, having received three honours last year.
Attard was also recently presented with an Honours award in the sixth Annual Black and White Spider Awards in the Architecture category at a prestigious Nomination and Winners Photo Show watched by 40,000 online viewers who logged on from 154 countries to see the climax of the industry's most important event for black and white photography.
The Black and White Spider Awards honour excellence in black and white photography. This celebrated event puts the spotlight on the best professional and amateur photographers world-wide and honours the finest images with the highest achievements in black and white photography. Thousands of images were submitted for the awards from 73 countries worldwide.
The awards' international jury included captains of the industry from the Tate Gallery, Sotheby's Institute of Art, Magnum Photos, The Armory Show, Fratelli Alinari and Phillips de Pury and Company in London who honoured Spider Fellows with 190 coveted title awards in 27 categories.
Attard was nominated in no less than three categories; architecture, portraiture and photojournalism, and he won the award for his photograph of the stairwell of the Museum of Fine Arts in Valletta.
"The Spider Awards celebrate photographers who operate at the highest levels of their craft," said Basil O'Brien, the awards' creative director.
"Attard's work represents black and white photography at its finest, and we are pleased to present him with this award."
Attard is a fine art photographer working mainly on personal projects, particularly, but not exclusively, in the field of architecture. His preference is for black and white photography.
He is currently working on an exhibition, which is due to open in November, that will include most of his award-winning photographs.
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Soldier fatally shoots herself at Virginia base
FORT LEE, Va. (AP) — An enraged soldier barricaded herself in a building at a Virginia Army base, threw objects around the office and then fatally shot herself in the head Monday as law enforcement officials tried to negotiate with her, authorities said.
The soldier, who has not been identified, was pronounced dead after being taken to Virginia Commonwealth University Medical Center, according to a news release issued by Fort Lee, where the Monday morning shooting took place. No other injuries were reported.
The heavily trafficked base went on lockdown while the soldier was barricaded on the third floor of the four-story building that houses the Army's Combined Arms Support Command.
About 1,100 people were inside, but no one else was hurt, Fort Lee officials said.
The Army said an alert was sounded across the post and those in the building either took shelter inside or evacuated as directed. Fort Lee police responded within two minutes of being alerted, the news release said.
"This situation could've been worse," said Maj. Gen. Stephen R. Lyons, who took over as commanding general of the support command Friday.
American held in Syria free after nearly 2 years
WASHINGTON (AP) — As the U.S. mourned an American journalist beheaded by Islamic militants, the nation found something of a reprieve with the release of another freelance reporter who had been held hostage for nearly two years by an al-Qaida-linked group in Syria.
Peter Theo Curtis, who wrote under the byline Theo Padnos, was freed Sunday, offering consolation to U.S. officials, a journalism community and family members deeply unnerved by the grisly video of James Foley's beheading in a desolate desert landscape.
Curtis' father, Michael Padnos, said his wife spoke to their son briefly by telephone Monday morning and that he seemed to be in good physical health.
Padnos said his son was apparently in Tel Aviv but would be flown back to Boston soon. He praised the work of the U.S. and other governments in getting his son freed.
"We are very thrilled, and we hope the same thing is going to be true for all the others (journalists held)," said Padnos, speaking in a telephone interview from a boat outside Paris.
Curtis' release appeared to have been aided by the oil-rich nation of Qatar, which said Sunday that it had "exerted relentless efforts" to win the American's freedom. Qatar is a leading supporter of the Syrian rebels fighting to oust President Bashar Assad and has been involved in mediating past hostage releases.
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said Curtis had been held by Jabhat al-Nusra, also known as the Nusra Front, an al-Qaida-linked militant group fighting Assad's government.
Curtis was not believed to be among the hostages held by the Islamic State group that killed Foley. Islamic State was formally disavowed by al-Qaida earlier this year after being deemed too brutal.
Curtis' release was likely to renew questions about the intentions of different militant groups in Syria and Iraq and how the U.S. should deal with hostage takers.
Calif. man pleads guilty in meat recall case
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — The co-owner of a Northern California slaughterhouse accused of processing cows with cancer while U.S. livestock inspectors took lunch breaks has pleaded guilty to a federal criminal charge.
Robert Singleton, who co-owns the Petaluma-based Rancho Feeding Corp., entered his plea Friday in a San Francisco courtroom to aiding and abetting in the distribution of adulterated, misbranded and uninspected meat, the San Francisco Chronicle (http://bit.ly/1tBwLBS ) reported.
Singleton, 77, is free on $50,000 bail. He has signed an agreement requiring him to work with prosecutors who have filed charges against the company's other owner, Jesse Amaral Jr., and two employees, Eugene Corda and Felix Cabrera.
Those three have pleaded not guilty.
But by admitting guilt, Singleton "accepts full responsibility for his conduct," his attorney Pamela Davis said. "He acknowledges the harm he's caused to the community."
Prosecutors alleged that the owners schemed with employees to slaughter about 79 cows with skin cancer of the eye rather than stopping plant operations while inspectors took lunch breaks. Then, the government alleges, plant workers swapped the heads of diseased cattle with heads of healthy cows to hide them from inspectors.
Operations were halted in February after a series of recalls, including one for 8.7 million pounds of beef. The meat was sold at Walmart and other national chains and used in products, including Hot Pockets.
The U.S. Department of Agriculture has said Rancho processed diseased and unhealthy animals and circumvented federal inspection rules.
There have been no reports of illnesses linked to the products, which were processed from Jan. 1, 2013, through Jan. 7, 2014, and shipped to distribution centers and retail stores in California, Florida, Illinois and Texas.
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Freedom of speech in Sweden
Those of you who follow Slashdot (for whatever reason) have probably heard of this by now: Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt has a blog, someone posted a comment to the effect that wiping out all Palestinians would solve the Middle East problems, and Sweden has anti-hate-speech laws, and it holds "publishers" responsible for the contents of their website, even if it's created by other people.
The Slashdot article claims a "leftist blogger" reported the comment, and now Carl Bildt is being investigated. Cue the right-wing dogpile in the Slashdot comments.
Of course, it's not quite as simple as that.
First of all, the article linked to from the Slashdot article isn't even about this case, and Bildt's blog post, also linked, is in Swedish, which I don't speak very well.
It seems to me, though, that the person who reported the comment isn't identified anywhere, and the comments on Bildt's post are only speculating that it's someone on the left. As in, FUD.
Slashdot commenters seem to be latching on to the idea that this is a left-wing conspiracy, though, with the first comment suggesting the hypothetical leftist was also the one who posted the genocidal comment appearing within five minutes of the article being posted.
(Of course, the person reporting it must have been Swedish, and it's a fair bet to say any given Swede is left of the center. If you look at it this way, then yes, I suppose it probably was a leftist.)
One way or the other, note that Bildt is only being investigated; hate speech laws only apply to incitement to violence. It's not illegal to just express a goddamn opinion, even in Sweden.
Secondly, it's very obvious those laws are bullshit, and I don't think anyone really disagrees on this point. The only way to get them repealed, though, is to challenge them in court. And the only way to do that is by being sued under them.
It's a shitty system, but that's the way it works in most of the world.
So, far from this being a vast left-wing plot to undermine a poor conservative, it seems to me that this could just as easily be an attempt to get bullshit laws repealed through a high-profile case.
If it was a leftist, it's possible Bildt was picked specifically because he's a conservative with a popular blog, so even if he loses, "it's not a big deal", but I really doubt that was the main consideration.
Either way, more quality journalism from Slashdot.


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Nelson Augustus Moore, American. 1824-1902.
Nelson Augustus Moore was a leading landscape and portrait painter of his day. He was born
August 2, 1824, at Kensington,CT , and studied under Thomas Cummings and Daniel Huntington in NYC.
After studying in NYC, he taught drawing at the New Britain Normal School, 1850 - 1852, and also
had a lucrative photography business. About 1860, he moved to Hartford, opening a daguerreotype
studio with his brother, Roswell.
In 1864, Moore returned to landscape painting, and painted throughout New England, spending more than
twenty summers at Lake George, NY from 1863 to 1888, where he sold many of his paintings and solicited
commissions for completion during the winter months. The last five years of his life were spent painting
at Lake Mohonk, NY. He also kept a studio in NYC in the same building with A. F. Tait, J. B. Bristol,
and the Hart brothers.
Moore's paintings are in the collections of the Wadsworth Atheneum, Hartford, CT, the Mattatuck Museum,
Waterbury, CT and the Everson Museum of Art in Syracuse, NY.
Another painting by Nelson Augustus Moore is also available.
Credit: Falk, "Who Was Who in American Art"
On exhibit: "The Grotto"
Signed N. A. Moore, lower left. Oil on Canvas.
Canvas dimensions: 9" x 10".
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An oil and gas engineering group listed in the FTSE 250 has become the first business to have its pay policy defeated by shareholders under a new binding voting system introduced by Vince Cable.
Shareholders speaking for more than half of Kentz Corporation yesterday vetoed a pay policy covering the next three years. The surprise vote at the company's annual meeting forces management back to the drawing board to prepare new guidelines.
Under pressure to keep the lid on spiralling executive pay, the business secretary has given shareholders the right to block corporate pay policy in a legal change that became effective this year.
Kentz's shareholders were unhappy that, in setting the policy, the remuneration committee effectively gave itself a free hand to pay executives…


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And the nominees are...doubled
At least according to this Variety report. Beginning next year, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences will nominate 10 best picture candidates rather than the five they've been nominating since 1944.
Some may applaud the move. It certainly gives the "Dark Knight"s of the world a better chance to show up. But the Academy is messing with tradition, and for a seemingly short-term gain in ratings and relevance.
My immediate reaction? Feels desperate.
UPDATE: It's 10 minutes later and the whole thing smells. The major studios, which can't make best pictures anymore, want their pictures nominated "best" nonetheless. The Academy, which can't seem to nominate popular and critically acclaimed pictures like "Dark Knight" and "WALL-E," wants relevance and ratings. This is the compromise. But it's a bad one. I remember baseball player Keith Hernandez arguing once that you only mess with tradition if the new rules increase strategy. That's why he was in favor of the three-point play in basketball and against the DH in baseball. The former increased strategy, the latter decreased it. Here? It dilutes it. Ten nominees means there will be more flotsam ("Frost/Nixon") and jetsam ("The Reader") in the race; stuff to push aside to get at the real race.
Bottom line: they're fixing something that's not broken (the five nominee slots) because of something that is (the major studios don't make best pictures anymore). What a shame.
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Why not just have one category ("Best Picture") for the entire show and ask the Academy voters to choose from every movie released during the normal time period?
I figure the packet sent to voters will include 50 DVDs instead of just one.
And the voters will have to start watching the DVD yesterday.
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including works by composers such as Isaac, Dufay and Morales, from Pope Alexander VI/6 and two of his children, Cesare and Lucrezia, through to Francis Borgia, Jesuit priest and, perhaps, composer.
For five centuries, scholars have studied and debated the role of the Borgias in Renaissance history.
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The Borgia family originated from Valencia in Spain and became prominent during the Renaissance in Italy, especially when Rodrigo, a cunning intriguer, was elected Pope in 1492, taking the name Alexander VI. He had several acknowledged children, of which Lucrezia and Cesare were best known. The Borgias have been accused of many different crimes, generally on considerable evidence, including adultery, theft, rape,
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By now, everyone has seen the latest General Motors commercial of a straight faced Ed Whitacre strutting through a manufacturing plant stating "GM has paid back their loan in full, with interest".
Only one problem… it's not true.
It's unethical. It's an overwhelming breach of trust. And the Federal Trade Commission should require GM to issue a restatement.
Truth is, GM borrowed $50 billion, but only paid back $6.7 billion of a single individual loan. They failed to repay — and here is where the massively unethical side of misleading the American people comes into play — the other $43.3 billion, but gives the false impression that GM has repaid all of their bailout funds.
Aside from wondering how Mr. Whitacre could keep a straight face while stating what I'm sure he knows is a misleading lie (I bet he's one heck of a poker player), I'm really curious why he "forgot" to mention the other 87% of the total GM bailout package?
Call me a cynic, but this hoopla is just another shameful advertisement meant to give customers a warm n' fuzzy feeling about GM's lackluster product portfolio a few weeks ahead of the summer buying season.
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Letting GM go the way of gangrenous limb looks pretty good about now, or at the very least, cut out GM's management team and let the guys at Ford take over. Saving GM from extinction, then allowing them to lie about it after the fact, is too much to tolerate.
Its ridiculous what they are saying. Hes basically suggesting that GM has payed back money it has gotten from the government, with the government's money. Its like taking a 20 dollar bill out of one pocket and placing it in the other and saying "ooh look, i gained 20 dollars!". This is absolute rubbish. But if it was a crime to lie on television, then television would be a lot more boring for a lot of people.


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Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by bradleys, Jun 17, 2013.
Very wishful thinking. Based on the past, you're being too optimistic with Tivo.
Probably, but a guy can hope can't he?
Love is blind...
Hey, the HD UI is so slow (but I like the feature set), that I don't want the rest of it to slow down (MOSTLY joking) to match..
But I swear there's something I use ALL the time that does do the jarring switch.. View Upcoming or something like that? Seems to me there's at least a few "common Tivo related" (i.e. TV listing/scheduling related) things that I do very often that involve that.
I check the settings screens less often (though a few times a week usually -- yeah I check to see if it's called in successfully.. even though I have a more reliable hardwired network nowadays).
|View upcoming episodes" is definitely HDUI. Maybe it's "Find by Time" or "Find by Channel" that you're using. Those are still SDUI. Of course, anything that accesses your computer is SDUI and that may never change.
I had an excellent experience with TiVo Premiere upgrade program. I picked up eight of the TiVo Premeires at launch. I hope they do something similar for the Series 5 launch.
I'm not trying to pick a fight. But, do you EVER have anything but praise for TiVo? I remember you staunchly defending them back then, and every problem reported, by anybody, you'd say you didn't have any such problem.
I remember thinking you must be a TiVo rep in disguise as a customer, doing stealth PR for them. I still wonder that, from time to time... No offense intended. You just stand out as somebody who's relative screen name would, or should, be "TiVoFan #1".
EDIT/ADD: I checked the invoices for the promo w/lifetime, versus waiting and getting a year later deal w/lifetime, and it cost me HALF of what that early adopter promo was. I ended up with four LT Premieres, for the same amount as the two I had sent back. I really don't consider a promo/deal/discount on the inflated price of a just-released product, that provided more frustration, than entertainment, an excellent experience. To each their own, I guess. I'll stick with being a late-adopter, when it comes to TiVo.
I think you have your facts wrong. There were upgrade offers for a Premiere with lifetime at $500 or $470 from early on - just exactly when did you get one for $250? Answer never.
If you would like to see the various price points that the Premiere was offered at you can review my post - I tracked the Premiere's pricing up to the beginning of 2012.
He may be talking about the people who got the deal from that one online store where they ordered at the new $99 price point prior to the change and were able to get the old lifetime price of $299. This was a pricing mistake though and not a normal deal.
I know there were a few occasional really good deals on the Premiere by random online stores, but they were from a fairly unknown online store.
A few years ago Tivo was offering $199 lifetime if you bought a Premiere from them directly.
During that campaign Premiere refurbs showed up on Woot for $60 - I bought one of those and managed to get the $199 lifetime as well.
My launch Premieres(non XL) all cost me around $500 with lifetime and the 3 year extended warranty. This was after the cashback from some online program they had. I think it was Fat Wallet.
The sale of my Series 3 TiVos covered most of the cost of my launch Premieres. And the sale of four of my launch Premieres covered the cost of my two Elites. So i hope that I can sell my Elites to more than cover the cost of the S5 with extended warranty and lifetime service like I did before.
As long as it covers the cost of a new TiVo then I am happy. I will have been able to use my Elites for a while and get a new replacement without any cost to me. And the person that purchases it can get a good deal because I'm not trying to get a ton of profit.
And I have had some issues with the Premieres. I've posted about them when I've run across them. But they have all been minor. Nothing major.
All I know is the Premiere has been a much better option that what Comcast or FiOS uses around here. And if I had been using their DVRs for the last few years I would have spent alot more money than I have with TiVo. Because I own my TiVos and can sell them when finished using them. That makes the break even point happen very quickly when the re-sale value is taken into account.
I was aware of the deals some people got from the link you posted and also of the deals some of us got in the mix up when TiVo lowered the purchase price and increased the sub costs. I was one of those lucky people who bought a early released $99 unit and was able to get the old lifetime deals that where on the table (I had a $199 offer still open so my total costs where $300 plus sales tax). But that was nothing TiVo intended on doing and you had to be in the right place at the right time to get those unintended deals so I never listed them in my thread showing pricing options. Outside of that what I listed in my thread showing TiVo pricing is what was offered.
I see a FEW people who are always claiming that they use their Lifetime Service TiVos to pay for the newest model, and get Lifetime Service, and it all winds up costing them nothing (or close to nothing), beyond the initial "investment".
I question the validity of how this is possible. If somebody can share the secret formulation, with supporting math, and I could prove to myself/for myself it works, that would go a long way towards shifting how I feel, and my suspicions about basically "getting something for nothing".
Telling me to list my units on eBay just isn't enough. There's something more to this whole "scheme", than that. Just because one can find TiVos listed on eBay w/LTS, for prices that could pay for the next generation, doesn't mean they are actually SELLING at those prices...
I predict $500 minimum for 6 tuner model. I definitely will consider coming back if the product and price are right. And if the laggy menus disappear. I hope they ditch Flash.
Just re-jiggered my WMC setup though. Added an extender, SSd boot-up drive and wired the house with Cat6 along with some new quad-shield RG6.
I don't think most people expect to actually be able to continue to move to the next units with no cost, but because of special offers to existing customers we can many times buy units for allot less than a new customer which keeps the price of used units up because for new users when they compare the price of used units to what they have to pay for new it still seems like they are saving lots of money with the used units.
Plus for some users they have been selling 2 dual tuner units and replacing them with 1, 4 tuner unit. Which is what will happen with me if they release a 4 tuner OTA unit that looks good to me.
There is no need to guess what something sold for on ebay - it is simple to look up what products actual sold for so there is no question.
I was tempted to do that same thing, minus the OTA part, and go from Premieres to Premiere 4s. I'm glad I didn't, even though I've just been burdened with having to use Tuning Adapters now (and the upgrade could cut the number of cablecards and TAs in half for me).
From what I've been researching, TiVo, for the most part, just took the already overburdened core components of the 2-tuner, added in some extras, and used tuner chipsets that are behaving like the TiVo HD did for most of it's life, recording nothing, because the tuner failed to tune, or whatever the reason was...
It was one of the TiVo HD's final fixes, before its end-of-life designation. Ironically, I didn't have that problem, until they sent out the "fix" for it. If I could, I'd block that update, and run the prior fix-free release. Unfortunately, we aren't allowed to do that... TiVo basically told me that they were aware that a small percentage of users had the same thing happen, but the numbers weren't big enough to merit even looking into it any further, since it was isolated to small regional cable markets (even though those small markets were just isolated regions of Cox or other big names). Then began the hard-sell on the Premiere. That was TiVo's solution. I had to become a VERY squeaky wheel, in order to get them to grease things enough for me to accept that "solution".
The more I think about it, and the more history just keeps repeating itself, I'm leaning far away from any upgrading, at this time. I consider the Premiere 4 as a sort of Windows ME, or Windows Vista - not worth the "upgrade", with all the kinks/bugs outweighing the extras introduced. Just like I completely skipped Vista, after realizing it was another ME, I think I'll skip the Premiere 4 platform, and wait for what comes next, and then hold-off until at least the first major "Service Pack" update to be deployed, then weigh the pros versus cons at that time.
I'm guessing that since I'm not willing to quickly make the jump, every time TiVo releases something new, that it will make the "no, or little, cost upgrade" cycles that a few are always saying they do, not something I can do, because I'm equally leery about upgrading to every TiVo release, as I am about MS OS releases, and approach them with extreme caution.
Frankly I believe your concern is more than justified and a concern I also have. As an OTA only user my Premiere simple does not tune channels as well as my older Series 3 units. I can tell you that at this minute my Premiere is not receiving my local ABC channel at all and my 2 Series 3 units are showing a perfect picture. I know I have intermittent reception issues (all the units are not able to tune my PBS station at this minute) and hope to try some antenna changes to improve it (a good part of the time I have no issues). But if the next OTA unit isn't better than the Premiere I may still have to retain my Series 3 units for times like now.
They definitely will not be ditching Flash. But the chipset in the next unit should run the UI a lot better. If you use a Mini you'll see how much better the UI can be when running on a proper CPU. The next gen units should have a CPU even better then the Mini.
Agreed. TiVo is committed to Adobe's Flash Platform for TV. The cost of migrating to something else would not justify the investment at this point. I would like to see TiVo and Samsung figure out a way to share apps since Samsung is the most prominent user of Adobe AIR for TV.
That would be nice. However I think TiVo has a slightly unique API they use to link into apps so that they can be launched from search and the selected program started directly.


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Almost daily there are post on this site from good folks asking questions about how to deal with a contractor. Am I getting ripped off? A lot of, "my contractor did this, is this correct or not?" I can go on and on.
Lots of different replies from the regulars ranging from helpful answers to this is a DIY site and not a appropriate question for here.
Even in "off topic" I've seen questions be shunned by some.
Good people that have a project and plan on doing the flooring and tile counters themselves but are lost on everything else and need to know how to deal with hiring the rest out.
If you can be a DIY Electrician, Plumber, HVAC, Framer and more, why not DIY GC?
I'd like to see a area on this site devoted to this.:thumbsup:
A place where people can get answers to guide them through their project from idea to planning to permits to key, whether they pound the nails or not.
A place where asking question about their experiences with contractors can be answered.
Where else can they go to on the web for this?
Well said,I second the motion.----Mike----
I guess a person could be their own GC but there are many many things that a GC does and has worked out so many bugs and weeded out the bad subs when a DIY GC would be almost like starting from scratch. Remember how that was and how frustrating it was to depend on a sub to show at a certain time and he didn't.
Remember when we started how we didn't know where to get the best prices or the best materials. Remember how we had to jump through hoops to get a good price on materials. Being a GC is not a walk in the park and it can be a nightmare when trying to be one with no experience.
Knowing how to build a house turnkey is the easy part of being a GC, making all the decisions and dealing with people is the hard part, not to mention the bank and the construction loan running when things aren't getting done.
I am not trying to be a wet blanket but I have seen many folks who thought it was going to be "fun" only for some of them to have a nervous breakdown. I had one customer who wanted to be involved in the build all the way through. This lady had over 300 changes and the cost of the house almost doubled. Believe it or not she hired the interior decorator and had her on payroll before the footings were even dug. Anyway to make a long story even longer we should by all means make a person aware of all the pitfalls of being a DIY GC. If a person does all of their homework it can work and smoothly, if not it can be a nightmare. JMHO
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Let me give you an example, as it has and is happening everyday. Many people who aren't experienced will think they are really doing good, money wise, just after getting the house framed and dried in. They think since we have all of this work done and we haven't even spent much of the original cost, we can spend more on this and more on that, only to find out close to the end they ran out of money.
The reason I joined this forum is to help anyone I can and I will be more than happy to help but a person really does need to know up front what is going to happen.
I do think we can help a few folks avoid some of the pitfalls in GCing a job.
Sure there are a lot of naive dreamers that will drown while trying--However there are a large number of clear thinking, serious people who can and will GC a project successfully--after doing proper homework and planning--it's those people we could help--Mike--
I am very surprised that this topic did not get more attention.
Every week someone writes a post asking how to find/deal with or how to ensure that contracted work will be completed.
As a remodeling GC I need to find and hire various trades---get plans drawn--deal with the building department---I have friends that are also contractors,so when I have questions,I can get advice from other pros.
I do think that a forum for contractor and DIY General contracting would be a good addition to the mix here.
Maybe I am wrong---comments from some homeowners would be welcome---Mike--
I agree that advise on dealing with contractors should be allowed on a proactive basis. As all three of you stated there are many pitfalls into becoming your own GC and dealing with contractors. Maybe a sticky could outline the majority of them and then specific questions could be answered in individual threads?
The potential issues with this type of forum that I see are while a vast majority of the current pros always give solid advice you will get the fly-by-night, know-it-alls, who could turn the forum into a pi**ing contest. Another problem I see is that we currently have too many threads on how much should this cost and after the fact issues. A new forum may be inviting more of them.
My vote, we should try it.
Maybe if the title of this thread was something like "Want to be your own GC" it would attract more attention. Just a suggestion.
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I named the thread what I did because I thought it would attract attention.
Usually when people are posting about contractor problems it's those threads that seem to get a lot of attention. Is seems like just about everyone has to weigh in.
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None taken Ole Jim.
Like Mike I cant believe there hasnt been more comment on this, good or bad.
Not even SCUBA. :(
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Here is an example from today.
Although the question is tough to answer because it depends on the posters ability but it's a start of a conversation, maybe a year long one that can guide him to save $$$ or keeping him from making a big mistake. Will never know OP's automatically getting blown off.
i was in a conversation of this sort that was almost shut down by Dave
seem like they like to keep the dialogue more towards the diy aspect
which i respect
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RE: Peculiar output from DSolve
It isn't so. The solution is an arbitrary function of (1/2)*(x^2 +
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Subject: [mg37004] [mg36994] Peculiar output from DSolve
In: DSolve[y*D[u[x, y],x] == x*D[u[x, y],y], u[x,y], {x, y}]
Out: {{u[x, y] -> C[1][(1/2)*(x^2 + y^2)]}}
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By everyone. Judges in the latter part of their career, fans, experts, so underrated.
I'm surprised to see you include fans on this list. Not on this board. I think if someone created a poll about the "real" winners in SLC, B&S would win in a landslide.
Nah, I'd say the often robbed Shishkova/Naumov were most underappreciated.
Berezhnaya and Sikharulidze are in my mind the best pairs team of all time - their 2002 SLC SP was perfect
I think that both mentioned pairs are fabulous. Naumov was doing a great job coaching years back. I enjoyed watching his work as a skater and coach.
B&S were in my opinion the last of Moskvina's pairs that really understood Tamara's style and could handle it. Yuko/Alex have not really mastered it but I digress. I loved B&S. Their dominance and unmatched elegance are captivating.
nah, I loved them, but I actually would have to say Bechke and Petrov and Kovarikova and Novotny as the most underappreciated. They had some really lovely programs, and I hear nary a word about either pair.
No, I think Petrova/Tikhonov should be added to the underappreciated list though.
B&P and K&N were not underappreciated. They were inconsistent.
I think Berezhnaya/Sikharulidze may have been underappreciated by the judges at the time when Sale/Pelletier were in favor, but in terms of fandom, I find them to be overrated actually. Although I do think they are one of the best pairs of all time, I find people overcompensate for them due to the Pairs scandal. They overstate the brilliance of Meditation which was really a generic Russian classical 6.0 pairs routine. Sure it was difficult and I admire the highlight moves, but overall, I don't think it was a very effective vehicle for them. Other than their SLC SP and their Chaplin LP, I don't know if I'd say any of their routines were exactly memorable. That said, their choreography is way superior to anything I've seen in the past four years and most of what I've seen from pairs since the advent of COP.
Their skating was wonderful and there's much to be admired and should be studied by the pairs of today, but they were inconsistent and sometimes their technique was shaky. Also, their lifts and death spirals were a inferior to Sale/Pelletier's. In fact, I'd say people try really hard to minimize Sale/Pelletier's good qualities which is weird because I thought Berezhnaya/Sikharulidze deserved gold in SLC.
They were way underrated by judges in 2000-2002, and by skating experts and fans, especialy commentators and skating experts, all the way from the Nagano controversy until their retirement.
At the time, I didn't think they were. But now, I believe that they were absolutely under-appreciated - and because of that, we have probably lost an opportunity to see some amazing work from them. Looking back, the 'rivalry' with S&P seems so artificial because the level of skating was simply not the same, IMO. Three things went against B&S. First, everyone was sick of 'Russian domination' and beating 'the Russians' became an obsession. Regardless of how wonderful the Russians were. Second, B&S were forever compared to G&G. That's something no one can live up to. Because of G&G's personal connection more then anything else. And while G&G weren't always perfect, they were perfect at the most opportune times. But people forget the level of difficulty that B&S had to accomplish vs. G&G. With increased difficulty it becomes that much more difficult to be 'perfect'. And third, a lot of fans didn't feel emotionally connected with B&S because of Elena's introverted personality and presentation style. I loved them. But only now I appreciate how amazing they were.
My short answer: Yes.
They were a gorgeous team and I loved them, but they were headcases (especially Anton)! I felt like the judges wanted to reward them so badly, but they had complete meltdowns at the most important times.
IMO Elena had more problems than Anton, if you look at their competitions over the years, and not just the two Olympics. Many of their meltdowns were caused by her mistakes. Anton really had just one mistake in the 98 Olympics and I don't blame him or her in it much because of their inexperience. In 2002 they actually got it done, with one minor mistake in the LP, but by that time the politics were strongly against them, and only a perfect skate to match their Lady Caliph would have helped them, and I am not even sure about that.
By reading forums one would think that they are this pair everyone is supposed to be admiring because they are the best of the best and a gold standart and whatnot. As someone who doesn't like their style I always found it irritating.
I agree with much of this and think B/S were largely overrated. They clearly had the judges favour in 98 (Nagano) and only a fall at the end of the LP put them second behind D/K.
There SP in 2002 was truly a masterpiece and their Meditation was beautifully choreographed, but not skated to perfection. I liked their Chaplin better because Elena showed some emotion in that program.
I think the judges favoured them because they were such a beautiful pair and agree that a lot of people have downplayed S/P's good qualities subsequent to SLC.
I miss both B/S and S/P, and S/Z - to me that era of pairs was better than the current one and all three of those pairs pushed each other. V/T haven't reached the level of B/S IMO because they just haven't had the time to really gel as a time. And much as I appreciate S/S, I don't think they quite reached the same artistic level as the other three teams.
The fact that D/R are one of the top pairs speaks volumes about the pairs field today. I mean no offense to them as they are a strong and hard-working pair, but they don't yet compare to other bronze medal contenders of the past, such as S/Z, P/T, Zhangs. Even Takahashi/Tran had more of the 'look' to me. Eric and Megan are just oddly matched physically.
That said, they are fierce competitors and I look forward to seeing their programs next year. The best may be yet to come from them.
Sale & Pelletier are easily the most overrated pairs team in history, and nobody else even comes close. They were even winning with major mistakes over clean skates by B&S for awhile. What a joke. So glad they are retired and Volosozhar & Trankov, Berezhaya & Sikharulidze, and even Shen & Zhao and Savcheko & Szolkowy are all way better and greater teams than they are.
How can Berezhnaya & Sikharulidze be overrated when they skated cleanly sometimes and still lost to a majorly inferior pair like Sale & Pelletier with falls and major errors, but when they make a small error and S&P are clean all hell breaks lose. They were clearly favored by the judges at the 98 Olympics as they were by far the best team of that relatively weak field. That isnt being overated or being a judges pet.
I would rank them:
1. Berezhnaya & Sikharulidze and Voloshzar & Trankov tied
3. Shen & Zhao
4. Savchenko & Szolkowy
5. Crybaby Sale & David adultress Pelletier who deserved maybe 20% of their so called wins in their career. One of the most overscored skaters in history.
Of course, they have fan and non-fans, but I don't see how you can say this...
They won Euros, Worlds, Olympics Gold and Silver, with falls, because they were truly great. And they are still remembered 12 years after they retired.
Yes they are for sure. IMO the best pair team in history yet nobody recognizes them as even being in the same league as teams like Gordeeva & Grinkov and the other first tier Russian greats these days. I wouldnt be surprised if most even consider teams like Volosozhar & Trankov and Shen & Zhao as greater in history than them now which is crazy. Way underrated by judges, skating fans, and skating experts in the early 2000s too as proven by Sale & Pelletier's MANY undeserved wins over them, the unwarranted controveries over their 98 Olympic silver, 99 world title, 2002 Olympic title which were all justifiable results (even if reasonably debateable), and that spurned by both experts and fans alike. I am glad these days they do seem to get more respect by some hardcore skating fans than used to be, but still nowhere near enough for their amazing talents.
I really don't get where this is coming from. Berezhnaya/Sikharulidze is probably one of the most adored pairs on this forum. I agree that they were underscored from some time in 2000-2002 due to many factors, but skating fans are always putting them near the top of the list of best pairs skaters of all time. People go out of their way to say that and show how Sale/Pelletier robbed them and are so inferior in almost every conceivable way. IMO, people don't really criticize them here.
I dont think most even on this forum, while they are very liked and appreciated, would put them on par with a team like Gordeeva & Grinkov, which IMO they deserve to be. I do agree they are well appreciated still on this forum, but the general public that follows skating far less so than on this forum. In any case while they were competing at the top from 98-2002, and even while they were pros, they were far underappreciated by pretty much everyone, dealing with controversial judging, commentators and fans whining about judging being in their favor despite that in actuality it was blatantly against them for the most part, and just general negativity and underappreciation.
I think it depends on your perspective. I guess I don't fully appreciate any argument that states that the general public under-appreciated them considering that I don't even expect the general public to remember the names of the American Ice Dancers that won the gold medal in Sochi unless they watch Dancing with the Stars. They seemed to receive a warm welcome in the SLC exhibition (and the audience seemed wowed by them. I only care about what people who still follow skating closely think when it comes to these retrospectives because we're the only ones who spend all of our time doing this sort of thing. It is of my opinion that as much as I love Berezhnaya/Sikharulidze, they do not get the same level of criticism of other skaters/teams who have the same notoriety and success and titles while making errors. It is like the Pairs scandal made people very protective of them because of the initial harsh treatment they received that increased tenfold once the judging scandal was revealed.
I mean by something in between the skating nerds who frequent a forum like this, and the once every 4 year fan. The casual fan who doesnt watch every competition, but still buys tickets to a skating competition that comes in their area about once a year if they have the time, and generally follow what is going on. These are actually the ones most responsible for rating and how much money the sport pulls in (since the really casual wont add much outside the Olympics, and the really diehard are still the small minority). To these people I dont sense they are that highly valued, but I could be wrong.
If your last point is true then it is well deserved IMO. They deserve every bit of that protection and perhaps even overrating by some to compensate for how they were treated at those Games which was the most disgusting exhibition of athlete media abuse I ever saw. That it came due to a victory over a team who had a slew of controversial wins over them in the past 2 years with worse errors than B&S had in SLC, which went unreported and ignored by everyone, made it all the worse.
I love B/S. I think it was a great team and still watch them from time to time (more often than G/G). But the fact is that they weren't so perfect in their FD in SLC. And although they undeservedly lost some competitions before, it unfortunately doesn't mean they needed to win in the next big event as some kind of compensation for the previous losses. But they still had the gold medal. The fact that they needed to share their place with another team (which skated really great), is not such a big tragedy in my book. Actually just like VIETgrlTerifa said, it seems that after this whole scandal people started to love them even more.
If I would categorize myself as an uber of any team it would be B&S and I dont think they were unappreciated. Not overall in their career. What happened in SLC didnt have much to do with them but with the background politicking.
Sotnikova has an Olympic gold medal ahead of 2 people who most believe skated far better than she did, not just a bit better. Yet she didnt have to suffer the indignity of sharing her gold medal. Nobody but B&S has. If B&S have to share their Olympic gold with the perennialy overmarked Sale & Pelletier who only arguably skated a bit better than night (which I dont even think they did btw), then S&P should have to share about 3 or 4 previous golds with B&S who they won competitions over despite sometimes skating far worse.
Why are B&S held to the standard of being perfect, and if they arent they are treated like common criminals and held to all the well worn cliches of Russian mafia judging, Russians overscored, held up Russians, etc...because they won an event he barely put his foot down on a jump; while a lower quality pair like S&P were allowed to win competitions with glaring jump errors by Jamie- often falling, popping, or stumbling out of some major jump element in both programs with barely a mention. Such double standards and incredible bias.
I think you are too emotional. If it was another team, which you are not so fond of, you wouldn't bring the results from completely different events (like Sotnikova's gold in Sochi) to prove your point. The fact that there were so many controversies in other competitions ever since the figure skating competitions started to be organised, doesn't justify your arguments.
And saying that B/S were treated like some common criminals is exaggeration.
I think I am not emotional and my comments are more than fair. If I were speaking through emotion believe me I would say far worse things about S&P than I have said in this thread. Emotional would be your thinly veiled whining for about 20 pages that your beloved T&D didnt win in the Lillehammer thread. Pointing out there are hundreds of worse results than the SLC pairs event in skating history and nobody else had to share a gold medal, let alone be subjected to the insane abuse B&S had to endure (and all for one of the most overscored teams in skating history who had several more blatantly wrong victories of B&S themselves than the close SLC contest) is 100% valid to the point at hand.