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NEO_ANDERSON can please please unban me (reason hacking but i promise i wont hack ever after i promise please)
unban me PLEASE i promise i will not hack
Posted 24 October 2016 - 02:28 PM
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Posted 24 October 2016 - 03:00 PM
Didn't you say you will never get rid of your mods?
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Posted 26 October 2016 - 11:25 AM
plz plz plz plz sorrrrrryy i promise i will not use hacks u can even check if u want to PLEASE i will not even swear i promise PLEASE I BEG UNBAN ME PLEASE
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Posted 26 October 2016 - 12:10 PM
I remember you saying something similar when i asked you to remove your mods, you obviously didnt so i kicked you and your response was to log in on a different acount even admitting it was you and just troll around using your mods again. Then again back to main acount to say what voltron has been pointing out above.
So my question simply is why should we believe you now ? After you have been such a huge troll ?
Also knowing this is your fifth warning yet only your first ban i dont think there is any chance for your ban to be lifted (ban of 1 week).
Ps: writing in caps or increased font size wont help you any further.
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Posted 27 October 2016 - 10:11 AM
how do i explain that BHARGAV is not me it is my brother we both just play on wifi he recommended this server and so i came on. our pc's are different but we use same home wifi so how do i PROVE you that it was really my brother and not me tell me how do i prove do u want my brother to come on server and me both together and ask him (my real life name is RAJEN and yes we are from india)
Edited by MrGamerrr, 27 October 2016 - 10:13 AM.
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Posted 28 October 2016 - 01:44 AM
We have heard the brother story so many times... is it really that hard to admit to what you have done? does noone realize the truth gets you further then digging yourself a bigger hole?
Bottom line is.. if you share IP's you are still responsible for what happens if it was your "brother" then he needs to come here and speak for himself to be unbanned but i think its clear that this is not the case.
So, simply put.. admit to your wrongful doings and just admit to what you have done and MAYBE just MAYBE they will consider unbanning you for a second chance.. and if that happens i strongly suggest you listen to the staff.
And on a second note, noone mentioned names as to what account you came back on with.. so how do you know they were refering to that account?
and from what was mentioned your ban is for 1 week.. so why not wait it out? and stop using mods.. read the rules carefuly.
Edited by NeO_Painwithin, 28 October 2016 - 01:48 AM.
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Posted 28 October 2016 - 09:38 AM
I was Hacking i accept but read previous post Neo_Voltron told BHARGAV UNDER NEW NAME and so i told it was my brother i never told HE was hacking. I WAS hacking i accept... but i never told my brother was hacking. i told don't combine us like BHARGAV under a new name. i told my brother recommended this server so i came and i told HE USED to hack and so i thought it was fine so i hacked i never ever told HE was hacking on my ACC.
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Posted 28 October 2016 - 05:02 PM
I was Hacking i accept but read previous post Neo_Voltron told BHARGAV UNDER NEW NAME and so i told it was my brother i never told HE was hacking.
Good that you realize your mistake you were indeed rulebreaking and have been punished for that with a warning because when we confronted you, you rather trolled instead of cooperating with us. What you have to understand is you and your brother (if he excists) live under the same roof aka same ip adress so as Painwithin pointed out above you both are responsible for the warnings you get and they add up if they are made on a different acount. So the warning Voltron gave you just refers to the combined warning you both accumulated. Those were already 5 warning yet this is your first ban so your lucky.
i told my brother recommended this server so i came and i told HE USED to hack and so i thought it was fine so i hacked i never ever told HE was hacking on my ACC.
So you admit that your brother was also hacking ? Make sure to also remind him to remove them in that case! Its not a smart thing to do just blindly believe in everything your borther says, if you first join this server there is plenty of info avaidable in spawn about how this server works. And you should always first read the server rules no matter what anyone said. So your responsible for your mistake not your brother keep that in mind.
Knowing this ban is only for 1 week its nearly ending so i suggest if you come back on the server that the first thing you do is check out the rules and if you have any other questions feel free to ask anyone. Make sure you stick to the rules because punishes only get higher.
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Posted 29 October 2016 - 10:58 AM
ok i am sorry and i will make sure i do not hack. and i am sorry on behalf of my brother (for hacking) and i will make sure he removes his hacks too. By the way i am sorry for Violeting the rules i am sorry and i will make sure i don't use them again
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Posted 29 October 2016 - 04:19 PM
As per above, the ban will expire soon and given all that occured when you were caught I see no reason to remove the ban early so it will remain until it expires which is 23hours (at the time of writing this) and so then you will be able to play. Please follow all advice you ahve been given...
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Posted 30 October 2016 - 10:43 AM
hey after i get unbanned can i still apply for admin and if yes is there any chance the OWNER/ADMIN/MODERATOER etc will choose me if no then can you please explain them that i learned my lesson and and i will not hack also i will never break rules ALSO i will be polite
please tell them to give me 1 chanceif no i can understand no problem if yes then THANKS
anyways see ya
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Posted 31 October 2016 - 02:41 AM
i suggest waiting a few weeks before applying for admin after being banned for using mods, give them a chance to see you have actually learned your lesson.
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Board trims redistricting options to two, for now
By Tom Lappas, Citizen Editor 11/18/12
And then there were two. Probably.
The Henrico County School Board earlier this month eliminated from consideration one of three redistricting options created by a committee of citizens for the new Kaechele Elementary School in Short Pump. The board agreed that Option 3 (Revised Option F) would have too significant a domino effect, shifting too many students at other elementary schools and potentially costing the system Title I funding at Ridge Elementary School.
But the board also directed the school system's planning staff members to review the two remaining plans and consider tweaking them or creating a hybrid option of those two if possible. The board is scheduled to hold a public hearing to receive more feedback from the community during its Dec. 6 meeting at Hermitage High School, beginning at 6 p.m.
During its Nov. 8 work session, the board heard from its redistricting committee, which met 11 times during a two-month period to create the three options and also presented drafts during two public meetings to receive citizen feedback.
The majority of committee members favored Option 2 (Revised Option E), which would move about 36 percent more students than Option 1 (Revised Option A) among the affected elementary schools but would present the best set of compromises to all involved communities, according to redistricting committee vice chairwoman Alice Ann Howard. That map also would do the best job creating boundaries by major roads and geographical landmarks and would not change middle or high school feeder patterns.
Option 1 would provide the best enrollment balance across all elementary schools affected by the redistricting and would ensure that none of those schools were over capacity through 2016, redistricting committee chairman Bill Panak said. But it also would require a few irregular boundaries and would mean that not every community would receive a preferred option. It also would change feeder patterns for 333 students.
In addition to setting boundaries for Kaechele Elementary, the committee was tasked with providing relief for other nearby schools forecasted to exceed their capacity soon and to provide relief for those at or above 95 percent capacity currently. The committee considered the boundaries of 12 elementary schools when creating its maps.
Several School Board members expressed a desire to use West Broad Street as a dividing line between elementary school zones – ensuring that schools north of the road drew only from communities to the north, while schools to the south drew only from the south. Committee members said they had the same desires but were unable to make them a reality without involving even more schools in the process.
"We ran out of room," Howard said of the committee's attempts to use the road as a north-south boundary.
Still, School Board Chairwoman Diana Winston directed planning staff members to take another look and determine if that goal still might be accomplished.
Howard conceded that all three options underutilized Three Chopt Elementary, which is comfortably under capacity. But, she said, moving other students into the school's zone would have required shifting boundaries of schools beyond the 12 originally under consideration.
Map 3 would have moved 160 low-income students from Ridge Elementary to Pinchbeck, likely threatening Ridge's designation as a Title I school. Title I is a federal designation that provides extra funding to schools with a certain percentage of low-income students. Ridge would fall below that threshold with the move, while Pinchbeck would not quite reach it even with the addition of those students, Deputy Superintendent Pat Kinlaw said.
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Cadillac Allante Forum Discussion, Buzz in the throttle pedal in Past Cadillac Vehicle Discussion; 1993 Allante, just a slight vibration at low rpm (2000-3000) comes right thru my shoe via the gas pedal, as ...
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Buzz in the throttle pedal
1993 Allante, just a slight vibration at low rpm (2000-3000) comes right thru my shoe via the gas pedal, as I get up to speed it goes away, but am starting to notice it quite alot. Nothing seems off, car seems to run great.
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driving home from work I noticed it was right about 1900-2000 rpm doing about 60, could it be an overdrive problem?
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when is the last time you changed the trans fluid? I'm not sure I'd be looking at the trans thou I would try and clean the throttle body first and check the air filter I had a 93 Eldorado do something like this and took a wile to find leaves and bugs clogged air box and only gave issue at speed hope it helps
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I had the dreaded OD chuggle for the longest time, cured that with a new TPS and MAP sensor, I will check underhood and see what I find, the tranny has never been drained since I have owned it for 3 years, i topped it off once as I have a bit of a drip, maybe its time to check it again !
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ok an update, I think its got something to do with my heating system, its making strange noises and when the fans kick on and actually work I get this strange vibration and strange noises, i usually have the radio up so I never noticed before.


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Re: Problems with our Movement- The Class Divide
I agree some of the earlier film clips of families, just like the paintings depicting them, looked almost angelic. In the early days those large families that would also volunteer in churches and be a part of local government would be pro-white. Now that's not the case, how we do change that back?
That's more or less the purpose of Stormfront, but on a small scale, we should at least send letters to Resistance and other like businesses that depend on us for their money and ask them to pull certain types of music. Give them a chance to take the high ground and let other pro-white music labels sell the crazy music.
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Well I e-mailed the webmaster at Resistance Records with the following e-mail:
Dear Resistance Records,
I do not know if you are the person to talk to about this, but since you are the only contact for Resistance I will inform you of my concerns. I am wondering why Resistance continues to sell CDs from bands that degrade us as a people and make a spectacle of the movement. I understand all companies have a goal to make profit. However, you are owned by the National Alliance, a membership group, and that makes you more than a typical profit making company. You reflect the values of the National Alliance and to a smaller extent, the white pride movement.
I ask that you develop a criteria for signing artists and selling CDs that include some consideration for quality and positive behavior. Please stop being the BET of the white pride movement. Let the world know that the National Alliance is not addicted to anger and violence, but instead is trying to create a positive world where families can be proud of joining your organization. Please respond to this e-mail.
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This is just a thought, but realizing that Skinheads have adopted their rather reptilian-looking persona of tattoos and shaved heads as a form of protest against the complancy inherent in the mainstream; perhaps if we as WNs adopt the traditional, conservative appearance and mannerisms of the upper middle class, then all those who support the liberal, multi-cultural society where anything goes - they will begin looking more like the degenerates that they are by comparison. I for one don't think that most White Americans want a multi-cultural society. I don't think that, given a choice, they would want to have blacks or mexicans as their neighbors, or as their son-in-laws or daughter-in-laws. I cannot believe that most White Americans are okay with their teenage children having sex, or dating outside of their race. I don't think they are okay with the idea of their children experimenting with alcohol or drugs either. These are things that the liberal society promotes, and they are seen as being average, normal people. I think that if we as White Nationalists come off as looking and acting more normal, more typical, more down to earth and average, then the leftist liberals will lose much of their captivated audience who have bought into their agenda of transforming the world into a multi-cultural, amoral, cesspool of tollerance for anything and everything.
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Furthermore, I have reservations about this talk of "quality." There is a real danger such an emphasis could lead to a barren and sterile debating society among people who know how to use their knives and forks but have no street smarts whatsoever. A genuine mass movement needs all sorts: ideologues to give a sense of purpose and meaning but also ordinary people who go out and do things but whose conception of the world around them may not be very lucid.
Finally, is there a "movement" in the real sense of the word: a clear ideology for gaining political power and what to do once there? If there isn't, then why pick on groups for doing their own thing -- however irrelevant -- if there's nothing concrete on offer in the first place?
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National Socialism was not the only revolutionary force in Germany at that time. The Communists had exactly the same advantages as Hitler: a starving population willing to try almost anything to survive. When, at last, he won over the Communists, it was not by beating them into silence, but by draining away their support by taking up the same issues as the Communists and pointing out a better solutionall of which convinced the German worker that he could be a better and more competent leader.
He talked to people about what concerned them in the language of his time and adopted a military style, which was popular in a country full of ex-servicemen who had any reason to feel betrayed by the government and which was also useful in a situation where you had to fight the numerous Communist murder gangs, who used very much the same style and language as Hitler.
Power must never be an aim in itself. We want to create a New Order because we want a better world, but a better world cannot be created just out of the blue sky. It takes a lot of dedicated people with thoroughgoing education to carry out such a task: and right now it is more important to win over a number of these people, than to fight a losing battle in the streets to impress a number of bigots and losers.
Again National Socialist Germany furnishes us with a very instructive example.
One of the reasons why the experiment to create a National Socialist order right from the beginning could not be completed and a new state could not survive the pressure from the outside world was that Adolf Hitler had to rely on a large number of experts who had nothing but disdain for National Socialism. He simply did not have the time to train and educate enough National Socialists because he had to concentrate on winning the people before the Communists could take over.
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Re: Problems with our Movement- The Class Divide
I think groups can be pretty screwed but there tons of individuals that have lots of tattoos and drink like crazy that are great people. I just don't want to make it easy for the media to label us and show us as degenerates when we aren't.
Some skinhead groups are supporting their members going to local government meetings. Yeah that is a good step, but take the logical approach, have them go in casual clothes and look like they belong. Don't have full skinhead regalia to a local government meeting because 1) nobody will take you seriously; 2) you will make us look worse; 3) they might feel threatened; 4) you will have a stronger impact if you look like "one of them."
Bombadillo, by quality I mean we should strive to get the best, but nobody is perfect. But there is kind of a curve, and I don't think we'll lose much by kicking out the people on the margin who are more into violence and drugs/alcohol than the movement itself. These burnouts make trouble for everyone around them. I'm not willing to have a skinhead or klan group say they are the movement and say that they represent my best interests unless they are trying to be positive and family-oriented (Volksfront and Sigrdifa being a good example). We've been down that path and we know where it leads, let's try something new.
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Re: Problems with our Movement- The Class Divide
I have never had anything to do with the National Alliance other than knowing some people who were members. I did always have a major question about them, though. I have read things that Dr. Pierce wrote & always thought they were quite informative & interesting. You would have thought that based on his writings, he would have had a much different following than he had, however. I wondered why such an intellectual man had the bulk of his followers as "thugs" & not the type to actually care about ideas or reading.
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I'll talk a bit about the problems with the upper class so that people don't think I'm just trashing on skinheads. I associate myself more toward David Duke than American Renaissance. But they are a good example of intellectuals that usually do not do anything for the movement other than talk. Don't get me wrong, I like them, they are a great group and they put together good conferences. But I was in a series of meetings with a bunch of AR people trying to form an AR chapter and saw what happens when people just want to talk instead of do something. That's not the way either.
Duke wrote books, but he also went to Russia and went to conferences and promoted his book to the masses and was actually a bit successful. At the AR group meeting the group was at a fork in the road, it could either spend its energy in bringing in speakers to the meetings or the group could try to help students at a nearby top college organize a positive pro-white group. They chose to try and bring in speakers. Eventually the group dwindles after everyone realized that it became nothing more than a social club.
I don't think a pro-white person HAS to do anything for the movement. It is just nice if they do. Kind of like a church, it's nice to have members, but if the members do something for the church that's a lot better. By recruiting families instead of angry skinheads, we will grow the movement just by having them procreate.
Council of Conservative Citizens is a good group because they attract young people who don't look like they belong in prison and the group latches onto a popular political ideology (conservative) and makes it white pride. Without getting too much into politics here, activists need to have some connection with the mainstream world, they just can't keep themselves isolated. Their message will be better accepted if they were able to connect with the outside world and communicate with it. It could be through traditional Christian grounds, conservative grounds, etc. Stormfront did this a bit with Ron Paul. I was a supporter of Mitt Romney, but just have a WN involved in politics of any major candidate would be instructive and put us in touch with the mainstream.
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Re: Problems with our Movement- The Class Divide
Master Baphomet,
The KSS has led by example and no one(in their right mind) can deny that it has been a positive example . Check it out:
1/22/08 Citizens Voice newspaper article http://citizensvoice.com/site/news.c...d=455154&rfi=6
1/22/08 WBRE TV news report
1/27/08 Citizens Voice KSS letter to the editor http://www.citizensvoice.com/site/in...d=455154&rfi=8
2/28/2008 Times Leader anti-KSS letter to the editor
Keystone Skinheads do nothing but spew unadulterated hatred in our community
So I wake up on a recent Sunday morning and go outside to load up my car with fluids. While Im out there, I notice that there are fliers posted to telephone poles on my street. I dont think much of them.
Later on, I decide to go out. As I drive a few blocks from the house to the convenience store, I pass numerous other similar-looking fliers.
After I returned, I plucked a flier off a pole and read it. It basically made sense. It talks about New York and Philly crime making its way at a rapid pace into Northeastern Pennsylvania. I tell myself Ill check out the Web site, www.keystoneunited.com, later. And I do just that.
Of course, once you key in the keystoneunited address, youre redirected to the kss88 address for Keystone Skinheads. Great. Even though my gut is retching at the notion of this kind of hate propaganda being posted on my street, I decide I must be thorough in reviewing this Web site.
I notice that the photo of Wilkes-Barre activists has their faces distorted so they are not recognizable. Theres nothing like standing behind your cause by hiding your face. And, its evident that these fliers were posted in the dead of night, not in daylight like anyone missing a kitten or announcing a bake sale would do.
Now the skinheads have good reason to hide and sneak around to do their bidding. Whereas they do have a large following, sadly, they are not widely received enough to warrant bold and brash daylight soliciting and/or recruiting with the exception of their protests and events.
It amazes me how rampant basic racism is today. I see it everywhere and especially in little ol Wilkes-Barre. It upsets me, goes against my upbringing and puts friction in some of my relationships with others who dont feel as I do about the subject.
Nonetheless, it serves no purpose for these types of organizations to exist. Its hate, pure and simple, and unfounded hate at that.
These white supremacists need to remember one thing. The red man was here first. The Native American nowadays doesnt go around posting fliers, trying to recruit others against the white race. It seems logical that if any one race had reason to carry a grudge against another, it would be them.
These skinheads reasoning is based on skin color and ignorance, not historic events that changed the race war in favor of the white man or scientific evidence that they are superior.
Its classic, uneducated, prejudiced, Anglo Saxon conquest and unwillingness to coalesce. Perhaps this Keystone Skinhead group will succeed in recruiting Northeastern Pennsylvania youths. There are plenty of wayward youth here who are just itching for something to follow.
However, the white supremacy faction has spent many years trying to make its mark on the gullible and directionless minds of others. Many more years will go by without them making a whole lot of difference.
Children are not born hating. They are taught that. And as bad as this world already is, teaching hate to our children only sets them up for disappointment, sadness and failure -- all things that will work against them.
Marti Iben Nanticoke
3/17/2008 Times Leader KSS Letter to the Editor
Writer defends Skinhead fliers content as being truthful
This is in response to Marti Ibens letter to the editor (Feb. 28 ) titled Keystone Skinheads do nothing but spew unadulterated hatred in our community.
Mr. Iben admitted that he basically agrees with the information on the anti-crime fliers that were posted in Nanticoke, yet he dismisses it as hate propaganda when he finds out that the Keystone State Skinheads are behind the postings. Kind of contradictory, dont you think?
Labels such as white supremacist, racist and hate group are used by egalitarians to try to stifle debate and to try to keep whites in a perpetual state of guilt.
Its time to face facts.
According to the FBI uniform crime reports, blacks commit more than 50 percent of all homicides in the United States while comprising just 13 percent of the population. This disparity shows that violent crime is a serious problem among blacks. Recent murders at the Glass Bar, a hip-hop establishment in Edwardsville, substantiates this.
The Keystone State Skinheads spew unadulterated truth in the community. Calling it hate or racism does not make it cease being the truth.
Steve Smith Regional director Keystone State Skinheads Scranton
4/04/2008 Citizens Voice newspaper article http://www.citizensvoice.com/site/in...d=455154&rfi=8
4/05/2008 Citizens Voice newspaper article http://www.citizensvoice.com/site/in...d=455154&rfi=8
4/06/2008 Times Leader newspaper article
Documents generate indignation
SHERRY LONG [email protected]
SHICKSHINNY More anti-multiculturalism fliers similar to the ones that appeared in Pittston earlier this week have been found posted on trees and utility poles in Shickshinny.
White nationalism fliers like this one have been found hanging on utility poles and trees in Pittston and most recently, Shickshinny. Borough, and NAACP officials vow not to let the hate spread.
This comes just days after 18-year-old Nora Rynkeiwicz was arrested for vandalizing a Wilkes-Barre synagogue.
The black-and-white posters, which indicate white people should defend their heritage by fighting multi-culturalism, seem to be distributed by the Keystone State Skinheads, because its Web site and logo appear on the bottom of the fliers. An email seeking a response from the group was not received before deadline.
Borough officials and NAACP leaders are outraged at the postings. They vow to not let any hate group win.
Shickshinny Mayor Beverly Moore first learned about the fliers from her husband, who spotted them around the borough earlier this week.
I was livid that someone would put something like that up because of the content and what it implies, Moore said.
She encourages everyone who spots the posters to throw them in the trash; and, while many are doing just that, the posters seem to keep reappearing.
As soon as the papers are torn down, someone or a group of people, whom the mayor calls cowards, come during the night to repost them.
They are cowards. If they really represent this great respect for themselves and their plight, why are they doing this in the middle of the night? Moore said.
In her 11 years as mayor, she said shes never seen any hate fliers posted.
Moore contacted the utility companies and was told they would be willing to file charges against the people posting the fliers.
Ron Felton, president of the Wilkes-Barre chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said the postings have caused him to consider hosting an anti-hate rally to demonstrate to these hate groups that we are not going to put up with the hate they are trying to spread.
Felton commended Moore for taking a leadership stance in battling the people who are posting the documents.
Moore supports the idea of such a rally. Every elected official must take responsibility to ensure what is being posted in their communities is appropriate, she said.
The posters state multiculturalism destroys the uniqueness of different groups by serving as a weakness.
But Felton strongly disagrees with that.
We are strengthened by our diversity, he said.
Sherry Long, a Times Leader staff writer, may be reached at 829-7159
4/07/2008 Times Leader newspaper article
Racist banner hung on Market Street Bridge
WILKES-BARRE -- For the fifth time in the past eight days, another racist message has appeared publicly in Luzerne County.
The banner on the Market Street Bridge, which promotes the Keystone State Skinheads organization, reads, Preserve Our Heritage, on a white bed sheet with black spray paint. The sign was hung on the west side of the bridge and also promotes the organizations Web site, www.keystoneunited.com .
It comes just a day after similar fliers were posted in Shickshinny and earlier last week in Pittston, and days after police arrested two teenage girls one a self-proclaimed Nazi on charges of spray-painting anti-Semitic words and symbols on two buildings, the Ohav Zedek Synagogue and the vacant Mertz Building on Conyngham Avenue.
According to the Keystone State Skinheads Web site, the KSS was formed in September 2001 by a small group of skinheads residing in Harrisburg, with the goal of uniting all racially aware skinheads in Pennsylvania. The organization has a local branch in Dunmore with a P.O. Box address.
They seem to keep putting (banners up) under the disguise of nightfall, said Ron Felton, president of the local chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. Obviously they dont want to be detected, but want to promote their cause by defacing public property.
Felton said he will not let the actions go unnoticed. He is planning to put together an anti-hate platform summit, and follow up with the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission to ask for guidance or advice on what can be done.
Wed done something like (that) before, and it worked. The organization got quiet and now theyre back, Felton said. People are just consumed with so much hate (we have to) let it be known this isnt going to be tolerated.
Felton said early Sunday night that he hadnt heard about the banner, and no one called to express concern.
Within the last two months, there seems to be an issue of making themselves known, Felton said. It started with an (NAACP) executive committee member bringing in a flier, and yesterday with the mayor of Shickshinny calling about the postings in that area and now one in Wilkes-Barre. It seems to be some kind of organized effort to make themselves known.
Several e-mails to the KSS were not answered as of late Sunday night.
On the KSS Web site, several photos are posted of members producing large banners, some reading American jobs for American workers or Take back our streets, under the subheading of Activism in Wilkes-Barre.
In each of the photos, peoples faces are either blurred out or blackened out.
Its like they want to have their cake and eat it, too, Felton said. They want to promote their cause but not take responsibility for what they are doing. If (theyre) so concerned, do it in the daytime. They dont want to pay the consequences that go along with doing what theyre doing.
Wilkes-Barre city police and Mayor Tom Leighton said as of Sunday night they hadnt received any calls about the banner. Leighton said he would take a look at the banner to decide what action should be taken.
Calls to Kingston Mayor James Haggerty about the banner were not returned Sunday night, and borough police said they hadnt received any calls about it, and that they wouldnt since the bridge is in Wilkes-Barres territory.
4/07/2008 WYOU TV News: KSS member calls in to debate
4/08/2008 Times Leader prints retraction for calling "Preserve Our Heritage" banner racist :
An article published on page 1A Monday about a banner that was placed on the Market Street Bridge needs clarification. Our story incorrectly said the message on the banner, which reads Preserve Our Heritage, was racist. The story should have said the Web site printed on the bottom of the banner directs people to the Keystone State Skinheads, a self-proclaimed white nationalist organization.
5/01/2008 WYOU TV : KSS Member Interviewed
Poll Results of question asked during the show http://pahomepage.com/content/poll/?poll_id=455
5/05/2008 Citizens Voice liberal letter to the editor http://www.citizensvoice.com/site/in...d=455154&rfi=8
5/10/2008 Citizens Voice KSS response to liberal letter to the editor [http://www.citizensvoice.com/site/in...d=455154&rfi=8
5/17/2008 Times Leader newspaper article
Skinheads eye diversity summit
Keystone State Skinhead official says hes willing to speak at NAACP forum.
The director of the local chapter of the Keystone State Skinheads says hes willing to speak at a diversity summit proposed by the Wilkes-Barre Chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.
Ron Felton, president of the local NAACP, said he wouldnt make the decision regarding the Skinheads participation, and is leaving it up to the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission.
Felton has set a tentative date of June 29 for the meeting which he said was motivated by several events: the recent vandalism at Congregation Ohav Zedek synagogue and the placement of banners and fliers throughout the Wyoming Valley. The banners, which carry messages such as Preserve Our Heritage, list the Skinheads Web site.
If (Ron Felton) would allow us to, that would be great, said Steve Smith, director of the local chapter of the Keystone State Skinheads. You have to keep things balanced, and this is a great way to do that.
Two teen girls one a self-proclaimed Nazi were recently arrested and charged with spray-painting anti-Semitic words and symbols on the Wilkes-Barre synagogue and another building. One of the suspects, Nora Rynkiewicz, 18, waived her right to a preliminary hearing on Friday. The other is a 17-year-old juvenile.
We see these things, and we dont know what to do, Felton said. What is the most effective way to respond and how do we help the young people who are being targeted?
Smith said the Skinheads are trying to shake the stigma that its members are like the skinheads in movies such as American History X.
This past year might be the best for the KSS, in regards to activism and response from supporters, Smith said. More people are joining up.
Smith says theres always negativity associated with being a part of the group. When members are called racists or bigots, he said its a source of name calling for individuals who cant argue for their points, Smith said.
If Im wrong about something, just tell me. Dont call me names. Thats childish.
Details are still being worked out, but Felton hopes to invite representatives of the state Human Relations Commission, the Luzerne County Diversity Task Force and the Anti-Defamation League. Felton would like to hold the event at a local college.
We need someone to educate us so we can have an effective response to these types of things, Felton said. Young people are targeted by groups. They need to know what kind of steps can be taken to prevent that from happening. Thats the goal of the conference.
FBI statistics show 7,722 hate crimes were committed in Pennsylvania in 2006; 98 were committed in Luzerne County.
But the way Smith sees it, the fliers, banners, rallies and protests the Skinheads take part in are about preserving heritage and the local culture. He says multiculturalism is not a good thing for America.
It causes friction. If youre white, you can say certain things. But, you cant say other things or youre labeled a racist , Smith said. Theres so much hypocrisy. I just want to dispel the myths.
Smith intends on dispelling what he calls myths of his group being racist and bigoted, by continuing to post banners and fliers. A recent posting said: Take back our streets, and listed the Skinheads Web site.
Were not the stereotypical people in movies, Smith said. Im a family man myself, and Im tired of the hypocrisy thats in our society.
Felton said two previous anti-hate rallies held locally were successful. A 2001 event featured a former member of the Aryan nation who said his job within the organization was to target young members. A 1998 rally was organized after a GAR Memorial High School student reportedly wore a Ku Klux Klan costume to school and after two Wilkes-Barre firefighters were suspended for distributing fliers that contained a racist slur.
Felton hopes another summit will be beneficial to the community.
I think (the message of anti-hate) is needed once again, Felton said. We need to keep the area alert and aware.
5/18/2008 Times Leader newspaper editorial
'Diversity must include even unpopular notions
THE LOCAL KEYSTONE State Skinheads leader should be permitted even encouraged to address a diversity summit being planned for June in response to recent hate crimes and the frequent public posting of Skinhead fliers.
The issue now is at the forefront of an event being planned by the Wilkes-Barre Chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. The Keystone State Skinheads leader has told one of this newspapers reporters that he wants to address the forum.
But organizer Ron Felton, who also is president of the local NAACP, said he wont rule on the matter; hes leaving it up to the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission, which is legally charged with administering and enforcing the states bias laws.
Quite frankly, we think the Skinheads presence would be encouraging. We certainly dont endorse the organizations viewpoint. In fact, we find it deplorable.
But we do think the first step toward understanding different viewpoints is to air them in an open forum that promotes honest discussion between diverse groups.
That includes dialogue that some might find offensive.
As the Roman poet Ovid said some 2,000 years ago, We can learn from our enemies. That certainly holds true today.
The Skinheads are not going away. In fact, last month their public activities were stepped up with the nighttime distribution of fliers and posting of banners that promoted their Web site. If anything, they likely will draw a more receptive audience as the economy worsens and those ill-informed seek to blame others for their troubles.
To hear them out and face their leader in an organized forum where measures can be taken in advance to prevent outbreaks is an opportunity that progressive leaders should not dismiss.
The deeds that prompted this forum are heinous. The desecration of a synagogue in Wilkes-Barre with racist graffiti this spring was an insult to all faiths. Many also found the recent postings of the Skinheads banners and literature offensive.
Clearly, education is the key here, and the public airing of all viewpoints would be a step in that direction.
Its to the communitys advantage to open the forum to all viewpoints, not just the ones with which organizers agree.
5/20/2008 Citizens Voice pro-KSS letter to the editor http://www.citizensvoice.com/site/in...d=455154&rfi=8
5/21/2008 Times Leader newspaper NAACP letter to the editor
NAACP clarifies theme of its upcoming anti-hate summit
The NAACP would like to respond to an editorial published by The Times Leader on Sunday.
First, I would like to correct the theme of the summit that was called for by the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP). In my letter to the editor dated April 9, the Wilkes-Barre NAACP called for an anti-hate summit, not a diversity summit.
Secondly, the NAACP will not be following the recommendation of The Times Leader editorial staff by offering an invitation to Steve Smith of the Keystone State Skinheads to be a participant in the forum.
Thirdly, I indicated to the reporter when informed of Steve Smiths request that it was something that we do not normally engage in for obvious reasons, and that I would consult with the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission, which has more expertise in dealing with these groups.
The Wilkes-Barre NAACP will not be providing Steve Smith with the forum or platform to promote his rhetoric. If Steve Smith is interested in making sure that theres a balanced message, then I suggest that he and The Times Leader organize a similar forum.
This is not a debate but a forum that is being built around a presentation by the state Human Relations Commission that will leave the community with a process of spreading a much more positive message.
The NAACP, an organization that was born out of the response to violence, has as its mission one of nonviolence and, yes, we are inviting like-minded people who share our vision of nonviolence and anti-hate.
Ronald L. Felton President NAACP Branch #2306 Wilkes-Barre
5/21/2008 Times Leader newspaper article
NAACP says no skinhead speaker
Ron Felton says chapter wont provide group with forum.
By Sheena Delazio [email protected]
Staff Writer
In a press release issued by the local chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, President Ron Felton states the organization has turned down an offer made by a member of the Keystone State Skinheads to speak at an upcoming anti-hate summit.
Felton, in the release, said that allowing Steve Smith, director of the local Keystone State Skinheads chapter, to speak at the summit in June is something the NAACP does not normally engage in for obvious reasons. Felton said he would consult with the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission about the issue because it has more expertise in dealing with these groups.
Smith said he wasnt surprised by the announcement.
Thats what I was expecting, Smith said. They dont want an upsetting opinion. Ive been on TV and offered to be at the summit. Were out in the open already; were not hiding.
Smith said he doesnt blame anyone for stereotyping his organization since, They think they know how were supposed to be, when were really not that way.
Smith said his organization isnt what Felton and those who dont understand it think it is.
We have facts on our side, Smith said.
Felton said in the release that the Wilkes-Barre NAACP will not be providing Steve Smith with the forum nor platform to promote his rhetoric. If Steve Smith is interested in making sure theres a balanced message, then I suggest that he organize a similar forum.
Smith said his organization always has something in the works for future events.
Well be out and about for people to meet us.
Felton said the anti-hate summit is not a debate but a forum built around the presentation by the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission that will leave the community with a process of spreading a much more positive message.
It wouldnt be a debate. Its freedom of speech, Smith said.
We are inviting like-minded people who share our vision of non-violence and anti-hate, Felton said in the release. The newly constituted Luzerne County Diversity Commission is also in agreement with this response.
Sheena Delazio, a Times Leader staff writer, may be reached at 829-7235
5/31/2008 Citizens Voice anti-KSS letter to the editor http://www.citizensvoice.com/site/in...d=455154&rfi=8
6/04/2008 Times Leader anti-KSS letter to the editor
We must invest in creating a just society COMMENTARY Robert E. Griffin
SHOULD THE NAACPs Wilkes-Barre branch invite a skinhead group to an anti-hate forum?
The Times Leader editorial board thought it was a good idea, as did the leader of a local skinhead group. The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) thought otherwise.
It is a doubled-edged sword. Some good could be accomplished. Bringing in skinheads and having them present their ideas might moderate their views. More extreme aspects of their ideology will easily be defeated by better arguments. Exclusion tends to create fringe elements and has a way of mystifying their ideology, as if there were some truth that needed to be hidden from people.
On the other hand, inviting them to participate would give them a much bigger stage than they could ever have on their own. If the skinheads were compelled to organize their own events, people would see how isolated they are.
Let us be clear: These are hate groups, not just people with different ideas. According to the Anti-Defamation League, several members of the Keystone State Skinheads have been arrested for violent crimes, including murder. They are a despicable group.
However, we do have a real problem in dealing with the issues of race: Our political leaders, whom we depend on, have let us down. They have failed to address the challenges involved with minority groups, both in discussion and action. Merely freeing black people from slavery did not go far enough. We waited more than 100 years to end forced segregation, protect the right to vote, and outlaw direct discrimination.
As a society we have been in deep denial, if not entirely ignorant, as to why poverty and crime have continued at higher rates among minorities. This lack of interest in dealing with poverty in general, and specifically among minorities, has left a void. Groups like skinheads and the Ku Klux Klan fill that void with hateful rhetoric.
Most politicians have preferred to avoid dealing with the problem of poverty and pretend it does not exist. The fact is that crime is directly correlated with poverty, not race.
Black and Hispanic groups have several times the poverty rate of whites. Poverty also is directly correlated with drug abuse and mental health issues. Minorities often live in segregated areas of low income, and these communities of poverty can be self-perpetuating, very resistant to change and often become worse.
Diversity awareness is great. We really do need to appreciate the differences between us and enjoy them. We really do need a diverse work force to help the area prosper. However, diversity forums are not enough.
People watching television and reading newspapers see that crime and drug abuse is not committed proportionally. Racist groups are the worst groups to discuss this.
Political and community leaders need to recognize that there are inequities in our society that are perpetuated by the way our society runs. Things need to be done. When a community like ours experiences changes in demographics where disadvantaged groups are moving in, action needs to be taken to pro-actively deal with the social problems that will ensue.
More money will need to be spent on social services, substance abuse and police. Care will need to be taken to prevent the formation of segregated communities of poverty that can perpetuate themselves.
It is not enough to merely hold diversity workshops, anti-hate summits and condemn those who hate. More insightful discussion and education needs to occur, and the news media and elected officials must invest in providing the education and the leadership, as well as actual resources.
It has been said that the opposite of love is not hate, but indifference. We need lots of action.
Robert E. Griffin is a psychologist who practices in Forty Fort.
Writer says criticism of area skinhead group ignores facts
This is in response to Robert E. Griffins commentary published on June 4.
Mr. Griffin should seriously reconsider his use of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) as a source for information on the Keystone State Skinheads. The criminal info that the ADL has listed for the KSS is filled with factual errors and half-truths. The murder that the ADL credits the KSS with happened in Florida three years before our organization was even formed. How could the ADL attribute a 1998 murder in Florida to a Pennsylvania-based group that didnt exist until 2001?
Mr. Griffin, I suggest you read the truth on the ADL at www.davidduke.com/adl.
Mr. Griffin also is wrong on his correlation of poverty and crime. Whites make up at least two-thirds of the people living below the poverty level in the United States, yet they commit only half the crime. If poverty is the main factor of crime, shouldnt whites be committing the vast majority of crimes?
Linking crime with poverty has several underlying inconsistencies. The black crime rate is an international dilemma. Predominately black nations have higher crime rates than nations that are majority white. South Africa is a prime example of a blackruled country that has an out-of-control crime problem.
Its time for people to remove the blinders on the issue of race and crime. Telling the truth and wanting to have safe communities should not be labeled as hate.
Steve Smith Scranton/Wilkes-Barre regional director Keystone State Skinheads Scranton
Skinhead organization plans to attend anti-hate summit
An anti-hate summit this weekend in Wilkes-Barre may play host to a clash of ideas between two rival groups.
Members of the Keystone State Skinheads are planning to attend the event this Sunday called A New Day in Luzerne County Building on the Strength of Our Diversity. The Wilkes-Barre chapter of National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is hosting the event
Yeah, Ill probably be there, said Steve Smith, a member of KSS. We want to let the community know were not dangerous and there are a lot of false stereotypes about us.
But Ron Felton, NAACP chapter president, wont let the group speak at his event.
Its an event thats open to the public, but I choose not to provide them a platform to present their rhetoric, Felton said. If they want to speak, let them have their own event.
The event will take place Sunday at 2:30 p.m. at Wilkes Universitys Dorothy Dickson Darte Center.
Felton said he decided to put together the anti-hate summit after KSS members posted fliers urging community members to preserve our heritage around Martin Luther King Jr. Day and after the vandalism of Congregation Ohav Zedek in Wilkes-Barre in April. Nora Rynkeiwicz, an 18-year-old from Factoryville charged with spray painting anti-Semitic graffiti on the synagogue, has no connections with KSS.
After these events, we thought maybe there was a need for people to come together, Felton said. We invited the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission to give a presentation on white supremacist groups.
Smith first expressed his desire to speak at the event in an interview with a local publication earlier this month. But neither he nor KSS ever formally submitted a request to the NAACP to speak at the event. Still, Smith was disappointed in the NAACPs dismissal of having the group at the event.
Felton disagrees. He said since it is an NAACP event, he was not required to provide equal speaking time to groups with such opposing views.
This is not normally something we engage in, Felton said. Its a program designed by the Human Relations Commission. Were not going to have a debate about whos right and whos wrong. We want to talk about how we can move forward without hate.
Smith, who was arrested in Scranton with three other men in 2003 on ethnic intimidation charges, said he and other KSS members would still attend the event. Fearing a possible protest, the Wilkes-Barre Police Department is preparing to have a force at Sundays event.
We are aware that there may be people who wish to communicate alternative messages to the public at the summit and plan to dedicate necessary resources to the event, Wilkes-Barre police Chief Gerard Dessoye said in a statement.
But Felton is hoping the event runs smoothly and without conflict.
Were not against anyone presenting different views, Felton said. It just shouldnt come at others expense.
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White nationalist group members among those at diversity forum
WILKES-BARRE Members of a statewide white nationalist group mostly behaved themselves at a diversity forum on Sunday, which explored some issues Northeastern Pennsylvania is facing due to a changing population.
The Wilkes-Barre chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and the Luzerne County Diversity Commission sponsored A New Day in Luzerne County: Building on the Strength of our Diversity, in response to two recent incidents, according to NAACP President Ron Felton.
Earlier this year, members of the Keystone State Skinheads posted fliers in neighborhoods from Pittston to Shickshinny. The fliers featured a photograph of a black man with a gun, and stated that residents should take back their neighborhoods from Philadelphia and New York drug dealers and gang members.
Nora Rynkiewicz, 18, of Factoryville was charged with spray-painting anti-Semitic graffiti on the doors of the Ohav Zedek synagogue on South Franklin Street in March. The KSS had nothing to do with this incident.
Although previously told they couldnt speak at the forum, about 25 KSS members were among the approximately 75 people who attended.
We wanted to put a face behind the fliers, KSS member Keith Carney explained.
He and KSS Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Regional Director Steve Smith said they tried to get people to see that some of the things said about the group have been distorted. White supremacist groups dont want to recruit impressionable kids and commit acts of violence they want people with a good head on their shoulders and dont believe violence solves anything, according to Carney.
We just want an open dialogue on race, and to have a safe community for our families, Smith said.
City police and Wilkes University security guards were stationed at the Dorothy Dickson Darte Center for the Performing Arts where the forum took place, but they didnt need to intervene. KSS members were mostly quiet during presentations by Harrisburg-based officials: Ann Van Dyke, an investigator for the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission; Harold Dunbar, assistant deputy attorney general in the Civil Rights section; and Martin Kearney, also of the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission.
Dunbar defined hate crimes and also talked about institutional vandalism, such as the defilement of Ohav Zedek.
Van Dyke said Pennsylvania is in the middle of a rapid demographic change.
In Luzerne County, the hate crimes and other bias incidents are not unusual. Theyre an egregious sign of the times, Van Dyke said. Its fear of difference, and its
something we all need to own.
Whenever there is change, there is conflict, which can tear communities apart. But if its members move beyond fear, diversity can be a communitys strength, Van Dyke said. She urged people to examine their prejudices: how they developed and how to get rid of them.
Whether its based on skin color or tattoos, watch your automatic assumptions, she said.
The atmosphere grew slightly charged when KSS members spoke up during a question-and-answer session with State Police Heritage Affairs Officer Sgt. Dennis Wilson.
Carney said he thought fear is based on truth instead of ignorance its not fear of change, but fear of what people are bringing in. He asked the speakers if they recognized a correlation between the growing crime problem and the growing non-white population coming into our area.
No, Dunbar tersely replied.
KSS members participated peacefully in an exercise in which the audience was divided into four groups to identify the regions strengths, challenges and solutions.
They found Northeastern Pennsylvanias strengths include a strong work ethic, residents dedication to family and religion, colleges and universities, a sense of community and the ability to overcome adversity. Challenges include drug abuse, crime, the changing economic situation and a resistance to change.
Solutions include diversity education starting at an early age, getting elected officials and clergy involved, more forums based on respectful dialogue, addressing the root causes of social ills, and experiencing other places of worship and ethnic celebrations.
The Luzerne County Diversity Commission will work on implementing the solutions. The fact that it is a commission and not a task force indicates it will be around for the long term, said its Executive Director Linda Trompetter of Misericordia Universitys Diversity Institute.
We all pretty much recognize this is going to be a process, she said.
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Tackling hatred in the area Speakers, discussion groups look at problems and solutions relating to diversity issues in NEPA.
By Sheena Delazio [email protected]
Staff Writer
WILKES-BARRE Luzerne County has qualities residents find appealing: a beautiful location, many colleges and diversity.
But that diversity also has caused some problems, including the vandalism of a synagogue just a few months ago.
That, as well as other incidents, is what sparked Sundays A New Day in Luzerne County: Building on the Strength of our Diversity, an anti-hate summit sponsored by the local chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.
I was saddened by the fliers and desecration of the synagogue, said Martin Kearney, education/community services supervisor for the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission. Thats why were here today.
During Sundays forum at Wilkes University, the approximately 90 participants broke up into four groups to address anti-hate problems and solutions.
A group moderated by Linda Trompetter, executive director of the Luzerne County Diversity Commission, said solutions to some of the countys problems should be addressed by talking about diversity more and by residents attending different religious services or cultural celebrations to learn about them.
Another group, moderated by Arthur Breese, co-chairman of the Luzerne County Diversity Commission, said the lack of public officials support -- and the fact that none showed up Sunday -- doesnt help the community.
Kearney said in 2007, approximately 4,200 hate crime complaints were filed through the PHRC, the largest number the commission has ever seen.
Ron Felton, president of the local chapter of the NAACP, organized the summit after several incidents occurred this spring: the recent vandalism at Congregation Ohav Zedek synagogue in Wilkes-Barre and the placement of banners and fliers throughout the Wyoming Valley, posted by the Keystone State Skinheads.
Members of the recently formed Luzerne County Diversity Commission were on hand, as well as investigator and trainer with the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission, Ann Van Dyke; and Harold Dunbar, assistant deputy attorney general with the civil rights enforcement branch of the Pennsylvania office of the Attorney General.
Were trying to make this a better place to live, Dunbar said. There are two major types of civil rights matters: ethnic intimidation (hate crimes) and institutional vandalism.
Dunbar said that 59 percent of hate-crime offenders are 11- to 20-year-old white males, and that 79 percent of victims are 21 years old or younger.
Hate crimes are not an unusual sign of the times, Van Dyke said. Stopping these trends requires countywide participation.
And thanks to the Luzerne County Diversity Commission, the county hopes to do just that. The group has four subdivisions where the 31-member panel will address ways to incorporate diversity into education, law enforcement, immigration and community spirit and economic opportunities.
Van Dyke said areas such as the Wyoming Valley are struggling with increases in diverse population because of a fear of change, a struggling economy, alienated youth and failure of community leaders to address the issues.
According to the FBIs statistics supplied to the PHRC, between the years 2000 and 2005 Luzerne County saw a 5 percent decrease in the white population, while it saw an increase of 22 percent in the Asian population; 20 to 40 percent increase among African-Americans; and a 100 percent increase in the Latino population.
During a question-and-answer session, some of the discussion turned heated when Denise Barber of Bethlehem questioned the PHRC speakers on their statistics, stating she had slightly higher numbers on violent crimes committed by black males.
You better check your facts, Barber said. The Constitution and Bill of Rights were written in English, she said, in response to the influx of non-English speaking citizens.
Members of the local chapter of the Keystone State Skinheads also attended Sundays forum, asking questions and actively participating in group discussions.
If I had it my way, every culture would celebrate their culture, said one KSS member, and not be considered racist.
Trompetter said more forums such as Sundays will be held in the future.
This will help us in moving forward, Felton said. Im hoping this is a signal for the kind of change in going forward.
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I've re-read some of the more recent posts, and as usual, nobody who's trashing the skins or the Klan (or NS, for that matter) has the slightest idea of what to do in an operational sense. Watching "Leave it to Beaver" isn't going to get 30-million CrimMigrants off our land, and talk hasn't grown a single tomato nor saved a race.
I am not a skin, but the Keystone State Skinheads are among the very few White groups, to my knowledge, which is DOING anything that gets notice. And if you've read the public responses to articles written about them, you will find that MANY average White people in their region are on their side. That goes for the Minutemen and American Patrol as well.
Longing for faraway days of the halcyon past is a pleasant pastime, but the things that get people off their keisters and into action are powerful, visceral emotions, like 1) fear and 2) hate. Only if White people fear a non-White future, and hate the swine who've gotten us into this mess (White traitors and sell-outs included) will they ever look up from the Electronic Rabbi in their living rooms.
IMO, what we need is a working version of Eugene Terre'Blanche's AWP...and since we're still in the majority, such an organization would fare much better than the Boers' has.
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Gerrard Art Space is partway through the Annual Members' Show, which runs until April 20.
Featured artists include Max MacDonald, Joanne Filletti, Noreen Mallory, Judith Meeks, Bernadette Wong, Louis Doransky, Gord Smith, Jyne Greenley and Liane Odze-Silver.
Once the members' show wraps up, preparations will begin for a solo exhibition for Gord Smith, from April 23 to May 11 in the South Gallery.
Smith, born in Montreal, taught art at the University of Victoria in the 1970s, and has worked on large-scale public and commissioned sculptures with well-known architects including Webb Zefara Menkes, Arthur Erickson, Bregman Hamman, Leslie Rebanks, Gene Kinoshita and others.
While he dropped off the radar of the art world for a number of years, he has recently re-emerged with a prolific body of work, in both his traditional medium of metal, as well as unique works utilizing wooden dowels of varying sizes. A renewed public interest in his work has resulted in a number of recent shows in Toronto, the city he now calls home.
A reception will be held from 4 to 7 p.m. on Saturday, April 26 at the gallery, at 1390 Gerrard St. E., between Coxwell and Greenwood. For more info, visit gerrardartspace.com and gordsmithsculptor.com.
F8 is a group of photographers primarily based in the East End.
The group will be holding its first exhibition of the year at the Women's Art Association's Dignam Gallery.
Nightscapes will be F8's eighth exhibition, and features images which play with the contrast of darkness and light, ranging from landscapes to abstracted works. Photographers include Joe Calleja, Robert Greatrix, Maureen Littlewood, Catherine MacKinnon, Selby Shanly, Felicity Somerset, Rod Trider and John Wallace.
The artists will be at two evening receptions from 5 to 8 p.m. on Friday, April 25 and May 2, and two afternoon teas, from 1 to 4 p.m. on Sunday, April 27 and May 4. The Dignam Gallery is at 23 Prince Arthur Ave., near the St. George subway station.
Rebellion Gallery, 914 Eastern Ave., is hosting Art Relating to Architecture until April 28.
The show features work from Anna Narday, Alex Contini, Nicole V.L. Mindszenthy and Stefan Galvanek. The work explores the relationship between art and architecture, and the idea of form as related to planning, designing and constructing space.
An artists' reception will be held on Saturday, April 19, from 6 to 10 p.m. For more information, visit rebelliongallery.com.


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The Lordship of Jesus Christ (20 of 20) by Stan Coffey
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Series: The Riches of Romans
Dr. Stan Coffey
Romans 14:8-9
I. Right of His Lordship
II. Realm of His Lordship
III. Rules of His Lordship
Tonight I want to speak to you from two passages of scripture. The first is found in Philippians 2 and then we are also going to read from Romans 14. So we want to read the passage from Philippians 2 first and then we will go to Romans Chapter 14.
I want to bring you greetings from Dr. Charles Stanley who said to tell you hello. I had the opportunity after hearing him at the Real Evangelism Conference in Atlanta to speak with him just briefly and he said that he would love to come and be a part of the opening of our new building and our new facility.
So we are looking forward to have Dr. Stanley with us this summer when we open our building and we are nailing those dates down so that these men that we want to have come and share in that time will be able to come.
God is blessing Dr. Stanley. I must say that he looks more rested than I have seen him in a long time. He looks much less fatigued than he did when he was serving as President of the Southern Baptist Convention. I know that he loves this church. He said, "I would love to come and be with your people again." He appreciates and loves you so much.
And then I want to say tonight how proud I am of all of these who received certificates in the witness training course. Praise God for you and for what you mean to our hearts, what you mean as an example as a soul winner for Jesus Christ.
I tell you I love these on fire, aggressive witnesses for Jesus. I don't whether I told you or not but I have a Baptist head, a Pentecostal heart, and Jehovah Witnesses feet. Amen? One thing you can to those folks, they go door to door to door telling people what they believe and trying to recruit people for their false faith.
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My latest commission to go live on All 4, as reported in Broadcast.
All 4 signs up YouTube's Emily Hartridge
YouTube star Emily Hartridge is to create a series about the pressures of turning 30 for All 4. Channel 4's multiplatform video service has ordered six episodes of Oh S**t, I'm 30! from producer Spirit Media. The series will explore the pressures of hitting the landmark, with each episode tackling a different subject including work/life balance, aging and exploring your sexuality in your 30s.
The show was ordered by multiplatform commissioning editor Adam Gee. Executive producer Matt Campion said a life panic is "something everyone can relate to" on a milestone birthday. "It's a very real issue that Gen Y are having their life crisis much younger and are faced with the big questions about whether their lives have turned out as they envisaged," he added. "This series sees Emily light-heartedly experience these very real dreams and fears and bring them to the small screen."
Hartridge, who recently turned 30, hosted Virgin Media's The Snap on YouTube after creating her own weekly show "10 Reasons Why…", which drew over 3 million viewers a month.
TV producers are no good at making YouTube videos
Picking up on the last post I'm glad to see my thoughts on YouTube-type video…
The new YouTube channels are an area where TV baggage is damaging. Some have squeezed out everything that's really good about YouTube. You want that energy that comes from someone being able to record, edit and bang something out in three hours.
…broadly confirmed from the front line. Hank, one of the fellas behind Crash Course and SciShow, summarises the Lessons Learned from YouTube's $300M Hole (its first tranche of 'Original Channel' investment) thus:
- Spending more money to produce the same number of minutes of content does not increase viewership. Online video isn't about how good it looks, it's about how good it is.
- People who make online video are much better at making online video than people who make TV shows. This probably seems obvious to you (it certainly is to me) but it apparently was not obvious to the people originally distributing this money.
- When advertising agencies tell you they want something (higher quality content, long-form content, specific demographics, lean-back content, stuff that looks like tv) it's not our job to attempt to deliver those things. In a world where the user really does get to choose, the content created to satisfy the needs and wants of viewers (not advertisers) will always reign supreme (thankfully.)
He concludes "Of the 114 channels that YouTube funded as part of this initiative, my educated guess is that exactly one earned back its advance…"
No real surprise there gauging by the UK channels which are broadly made as cheap TV which looks …cheap – but not cheerful. Cheerful is the energy referred to above, in a world where there is no such thing as a jump cut and individual personality is what communicates the joie de vivre.
Polling Day (Stand up and be counted)
China evidently blocked access to Twitter two days ago, two days before the sensitive 20th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square crackdown.
Other Internet services that seem to have become inaccessible include Hotmail, Flickr and search engine Bing.
In recent years, access to YouTube, Western media outlets and many other websites has also been blocked, often before or after 'sensitive' events. And now's a good moment to remember those who blocked themselves.
A few days after the blog of artist and government critic Ai Weiwei was shut down, he simply opened a new one (which you can see here, in Chinese). Ai also uses Twitter.
Only 22% of eligible British voters have declared their intention to vote in the European and county council elections today. In 2004 the turnout in Britain for the European parliamentary elections was 38.9%.
Chat rooms monitored. Blogs deleted. Websites blocked. Search engines restricted. People imprisoned for simply posting and sharing information.
The Internet is a new frontier in the struggle for human rights. Governments – with the help of some of the biggest IT companies in the world – are cracking down on freedom of expression … learn more
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When is the last time Chapman struck someone out?
Rust. It's like a disease. Clinching early is too apparently. Everyone seems to be on auto pilot.
When is the last time Chapman struck someone out?
Rust. It's like a disease. Clinching early is too apparently. Everyone seems to be on auto pilot.
We're good again!
"Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."
Another big K for the win.
"All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH
Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS
Losing season confirmed for Pitt. 20 in a row.
And this one belongs to the Reds! *whew* Made it close that's for sure.
Well, there goes the 3 seed
This place use to be fun
If evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will evolve!
I think the Cards already clinched their seed?
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Originally Posted by danzo View Post
Hello fellow boarders,
So I've successfully popped my snowboard injury cherry.
I was ripping through some glades (Blue Mountain) which had some sweet berms and pumps (for downhillers in the summer). It was my first time on this section and with the powdery conditions, I got overly confident and hit a few berms at full speed... which ultimately lead me to over shooting a turn and going right into a tree.
I was on my toe side (goofy) when I overshot it and my right leg collided into the tree. The impact spun me around the tree into a twirl which ended up bruising my left hamstring also in the process. I sat up and knew right away my leg was done, after about 10 minutes, I limped out on to the nearest groomed trail, tried to down but noticed my leg had no strength left so ended up on heal side the whole way down.
After sitting in the lodge for about an hour, my leg started to ache, so I called for ski patrol. He did some tests to make sure it wasn't a break and told me that if it was a break, I'd be in excruciating pain, atleast in more pain then what I had at the time which was like a 5 to 6, maybe less since I have a low pain threshold.
A few hours later, I finally got up and realized I could barely walk. Couldn't apply any pressure to my right leg, atleast without keeping my leg perfectly straight. Took me like 30 minutes to get to the parking lot.
Anyways, I haven't had a chance to go to the hospital yet, its been 1 day. The aching is gone but I get a sharp pain in the muscle that took the impact when I try to use it, e. g. walking. There is still some swelling above my knee thats preventing me from bending my knee too much also.
About to take some ibuprofen, hoping it helps. I will be making way to the hospital tomorrow and a little worried as I've never sustained an injury that has prevented me from walking before.
Just wondering if anyone else has had this happen before or something similar?
I know this is old thread but.
First, Killclimbz, thats one crazy story. Its unthinkable that hitting a tree could lead to an amputation.
Second, exact same thing happened to me as OP a couple years ago. I was riding at blue mountain, in the glades on those bumps and turns they have for the bikers, and i got going too fast and hit a tree. Luckily, i came out with a minor bruised rib and nothing else.
Well at least you didn't have Bigrig's experience after hitting a tree.
His leg was amputated. Pretty harsh right there.
|I had a very similar experience as you did. I was just riding through some powder and there was a tree trunk sticking out but it was buried under the snow so i couldnt see it. Pretty much I rode into it and the log hit me right above my knee so i wrapped my body around it and then started flipping. I had no idea what happened. I was just riding and the next thing i know i was flipping head over heels. When i finally stopped i was upsidedown in a tree well and my leg felt like it was on fire. I unstrapped and stood up on my good leg and my lower leg from the knee down of the leg that hit the tree was just pivoting from side to side without any control over it. I could feel the joints moving around and i thought i dislocated my knee or something. Found out i tore my acl and damaged a few other ligament in there. Horrible experience. 4-6 month recovery time at the least and I am on month 4 now and it doesnt feel 100 percent haha but i should be good for this season.
I hate when people say if it broke you'd be in excruciating pain.
So far that's never been the case with me at all. That night it hurts the worse, but the adrenaline keeps the pain away for a good bit of time.
Fibula is no big deal, believe it or not I was walking again in 2 weeks. Its a 10% weight bearing bone.
Just a heads up, so you're not too disappointed, when i went back for the follow up X-Ray I was expecting to see some real progress/healing...that wasn't the case. I was pretty bummed when I saw that it looked almost exactly the same as it did the first time. All you will probably see is a small "cloud" around the break; blood and calcium starting to form. Sure, it's healing, but I was not at all expecting to see.
It felt well enough after 8 weeks to get back out, though. I rode the last two weekends the mountain here was open...as long as it was groomed everything was good, when it turned to slush and got choppy, that's when it started to hurt. Needless to say, I was sore for a couple of days after, but all is good now. Good luck!
|Yesterday I couldnt make a turn tight enough while riding some really heavy snow and I actually cut in half/exploded a 2 inch thick aspen that was thankfully dead and rotten. It was terrifying and empowering at the same time. Snowboards have edges all the was around for a reason. Keep them sharp!!
|Nice bike. Watch out for those trees!
Here I was thinking squats were suffice.
Well, it will be 4 weeks tomorrow, and I'm walking in pretty much full swing now. Still got some pains lingering in the muscles when I apply certain stresses but the doc said that'd be a part of the rehab process.
Going for xrays in a couple weeks to deal double check the fracture.
All in all, it has been quite the experience. Found that Epsom eucalyptus bathes helped relax the muscles and eating at least 2 bananas a day helped ease the muscle cramps.
Sad that the season is over, but the sun is out! Was nice to pull my summer mountain slayer out the closet today
Originally Posted by Tarzanman View Post
I am going to blame the OP for his own injury. The only reason you got hurt by that tree is because you haven't been training properly!
This is how a properly trained athlete deals with a tree....
Muay Thai Fighter chops down tree with kicks - YouTube
YoU sHoUlD bE pRaCtIcInG yOuR aRt!
nuff said!
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