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Tim received a Bachelor of Science and a Master of Science degree from Murray State University.
About Cherokee County School District: Cherokee County SD, located in Georgia, has recently deployed a district wide "bring your own learning device" for students from kindergarten through 12th grade. The school district is opening a new school with 802.11 AC wireless. An emphasis has been put on providing access to learning resources throughout the school campus.
The school district is also deploying video conferencing classrooms in all schools. Hence, the demand of bandwidth continues to increase as voice and data converge and as online testing become more prevalent.
Neal has helped School Districts and Universities develop new teaching practices with new innovations from Alcatel-Lucent (and Bell Labs). In particular, Neal is involved in many IT initiatives that promote a better way of teaching and has evangelized this at many Education institutions across the world. Neal has a Bsc (Hons) degree in Business Studies and a postgraduate Diploma in Marketing (DipM). Before Alcatel-Lucent, Neal developed his diverse technical background by working for several System Integrators as well as several large PC manufacturers. All through his career, he has worked with education customers and has an impressive list of use cases and successes.
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Cage Warriors USA & RFC fighter, Yosmany Cabezas (7-1) has signed a 4 fight deal with the exciting new tournament based promotion 'Bellator Fighting Championship'
Cabezas first fight takes place this Friday (17 April 2009) at the Lloyd Noble Center, University of Oklahoma, and will be broadcast at 9pm on ESPN Deportes the following evening (Saturday 18 April 2009).
In round one of the tournament he will face one of Mexico's most popular fighters, Edwin Aguilar (20-11), who trains with Melchor Menor and world renowned Team Quest. With over 15 years experience as a fighter, Aguilar's fight pedigree includes honors such as IKF Muay Thai World Champion, Mexican Sanshuo National Champion, Pan-American Sub Champion, Mexican Vale Tudo Champion and North American Muay Thai Champion.
However none of Aguilar's achievements or the fact he has 4 times more cage experience, appears to faze the relaxed, Florida Middleweight Champion and Elite XC veteran, Yosmany Cabezas, who trains at The Spartan Gym in Tampa, FL under head trainer William Banks - Cabezas said "I have approached this fight like I have all my previous fights. I'm training hard and I feel mentally & physically ready for this fight. I look forward to becoming the Bellator Middleweight Champion".
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Yankees shortstop Derek Jeter "likely" will undergo surgery on his broken left ankle, according to a league source.
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A CT scan and MRI taken Sunday confirmed Jeter's fractured ankle.
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"When we talked to the doctor originally, he said it's probably a 3-month ordeal, but you have got to have more tests," Girardi recounted before Game 2."Similar to anyone who breaks an ankle, you are going to have an MRI to see if there's ligament damage, if they need to do far more than just cast it."
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"I don't think he was playing on a stress fracture, but I think the weakness in his ankle, and the foul tip off his foot, contributed to that," Girardi said. "You hear tons of fellows talk about when they sprain one ankle, they usually hurt something else. I think it's inevitable, if you continue to play with something hurt, you're probably going to finish up hurting yourself somewhere else."
Jeter has refused to say how he originally suffered the injury, which 1st disturbed him during a road trip against the Rays on Labor Day. He aggravated it later by fouling a ball off it in Boston in mid-September, and injured the same ankle, in a different place, in the last game of the regular season against the Red Sox. At the time, Girardi named the injury a "bone bruise."
In the early hours of Sun. morning, after X-rays at Yankee Stadium revealed Jeter had fractured the ankle while fielding Jhonny Peralta's grounder in a game the Yankees went on to lose 6-4, GM Brian Cashman stated that he thought the injury was related to Jeter's earlier ankle injuries. NFL lines
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msquared (1) , | February 9, 2013
I have visited the Greenville Beer Exchange somewhat regularly since last summer as it is on my way from Atlanta to Charlotte and I make a point to stop in every time I go to see the the folks. The selection is absolutely fantastic and is organized in a way that it is quite easy to find exactly what you are looking for. The guys who run the shop, Zach and Cameron, are extremely knowledgeable about their stock and have helped me on a number of occasions to choose beer for not only myself but my trading partners and mother as well. (My mother loves the funk and there is never a short supply or new things to try) In addition to the wonderful selection and employees, the fact that the shop is dog friendly is a huge plus for me. As I stated earlier, I am normally traveling when I visit the shop so its nice that I can bring my giant lab in with me to stretch his legs. All in all, this is a world class beer shop that should be a must stop for anyone passing through the area.
hopdog (324) Lansdale, Pennsylvania | January 25, 2013
What can I say that hasnt been said...this place rocks. Walked out with 3+ cases of unrated beer (mix of locals on Imports I havent seen) - for me, thats huge! Guys are very helpful...if this place was local to me, I would come here every week.
Jamesthebrit (22) Atlanta, Georgia | January 19, 2013| Updated November 20, 2013
This place is great. I really like the fact that you get to know the owners and the people that work there. The beer tastings are a great way to meet other beer nerds and try new brews. Selection is probably more that anyone could hope for. They seem to have most of the well respected micro brews there. The value is about on par with other beer places. Some are a bit more expensive, some are a bit less expensive. Overall a great place and the go to beer place in Greenville.
DiarmaidBHK (854) Lewisburg, Pennsylvania | January 9, 2013
To say this is one of the best beer stors in the world is not an opinion but merely a statement of fact. Located on what seems like a sleepy side street, but in fact just around the corner from Barleys, this place is like a temple beer. As others have noted the selection is fantastic full of great brewers from all over the world with plenty of seasonals and a couple of rarities to whet your whistle. The service was very kind and hospitable and they seemed very enthusiasitic when we mentioned wed heard about their store on rate beer. Theyre very big fans of the site. Parking one the street is limited but theres a parking garage a block away and they also gave us a voucher for 30 minutes of parking which was very nice. I cant wait to go back again.
ksurkin (13) Norfolk, Virginia | December 2, 2012
after going to college in greenville and watching the city grow its beer scene over the last 10 years its clear that GBX is the crown jewel of craft beer in this great city. Zach and Cameron run the place flawlessly and could not be more friendly or knowledgeable about beer. the selection would be hard to beat anywhere in the world, nonetheless in the USA. the growler selection always features rarities, one-offs, and just plain great beers. they even helped my mom out with some growlers a while back, how cool is that? this store really does it right and does more to promote craft beer than to promote themselves. a true "must stop" for any craft beer fan making the trip through south carolina. cheers!
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Small store with an excellent selection. Has a lot of stuff that cant be found anywhere else in the area, especially since South Carolina isnt a popular place to ship to from breweries. Very friendly, knowledgeable and helpful service. Great selection of international beers as well.
scottyshades (3) Parkland, Florida, Florida | September 20, 2012
Been following the Charleston BX newsletter for over a year now, drooling at the new selections and growlers. Now Im finally close enough to drive down to Greenville from Clemson Quality: Very high turnover (something which is rare in the upstate and Greenville area) - kegs always fresh, excellent growler selections, and the store itself is awesomely laid out Service: Zack and Cam are beyond friendly and helpful...both BAs as well. Awesome service, very quick, very knowledgeable Selection: Cantillion (Lou Pepe/ Rose etc!) and other sours, Bells, Founders, Foothills, Terrapin, COAST, Sweetwater nuff said...rare/limited release included. Check the website for continuously updated selections Definitely the best beer store Ive been to, highly recommended
argo0 (277) Washington DC | August 22, 2012
Need you ask? Great selection of beer, just like the Charleston location, perhaps even a bit better. Great taps too, just remember to bring your growler. The staff was helpful when I visited too. A bit pricey, but such is the market these days.
Onenote81 (74) Winston-Salem, North Carolina | May 3, 2012
In town this last February visiting friends, and this was on my "must-stop" list. Stopped in on Saturday afternoon, and we were the only ones there besides the 2 guys working at the time. Both were friendly and helpful. Right when you walk in there is an awesome selection of glassware, which I appreciate as I think I love glassware as much as I love beer. Awesome presentation in the store as the beer is categorized perfectly, and I had no problem finding what I was in the mood for. A stellar Belgian section that carried many bottles that I hadnt seen anywhere else in the area, or in NC for that matter. They had about a dozen taps at the back for growler fills. They offer 3 different growler sizes, all of which were reasonably priced. Good selection there. Next to that station is a small cooler section with a good amount of chilled bottles, growlers and mini-kegs. A small island in the middle of the store carries a good selection of domestic offerings. Loved this store. Another one I will revisit when back in town.
beersorcerer (16) Armpit of the Panhandle, Florida | March 30, 2012
Great Place for the location both locally and nationally! Very Good to Excellent selection for the space. High shelves help the volume of choices but do make grazing difficult for little people. But thats where the service staff come in. Highly knowledgeable and at the ready to help: theyre there to sell but if you steer them to your tastes, theyll be honest and upfront on the selections. Overall a great store with great beer for the deep south. Thank you GBX.
pnesbit (1) Marietta, South Carolina | March 12, 2012
Great little store with a great selection. I go there anytime I visit Greenville, which because of this store I wish was more. I would recommend you stop by this store if you find yourself in Greenville. Especially if you find yourself there on a Tuesday or Thursday when they have regular sampling.


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About a week and a half ago I started getting some discomfort behind my right knee but it wasn't painful at all so I kept running through it really easy. The next day the discomfort was back but when I tried to pick up the pace even a little my knee gave out. I rested for 5 days and saw a doctor who told me it was both ITBS and runner's knee. He said running through the pain would not cause any further injury so I'd be okay to run the marathon. The following two days I was able to do easy runs with no pain at all but then my next run which was also super easy the pain returned.
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Three Santa Clara teens who as a prank grabbed a young jogger and threw her in the back of their locked, covered pickup, have pleaded guilty in juvenile court to felony kidnapping.
Angela Adams, a Washington County juvenile prosecutor, said the three boys two who are 16 and the other 17 pleaded guilty last month to third-degree felony kidnapping. They were all sentenced to 30 days in juvenile detention and probation. Those sentences were suspended as long as the teens don't commit any additional crimes, complete a victimization treatment program, pay restitution to the victim and stay away from the girl except to complete a victim-offender mediation program administered through juvenile court.
Adams said the victim and her family asked that the teens not be locked up for their crime.
"They just really wanted them to understand how this affected the victim and is continuing to affect her," she said. "Certainly it was a bad, bad decision."
Adams said the teens, who have no criminal history, had decided in May that it would be fun to kidnap someone at random.
She said the teens removed their shirts, donned rubber masks and just happened to come across their 14-year-old victim as she was out jogging near her Santa Clara home. The teens claim they hadn't specifically targeted that girl in particular.
The girl, who was unrestrained, managed to escape and remembered enough information about the incident for police to track down the vehicle and the boys.
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1. Ship Condition: The ship is in excellent condition. Everything is in top working order. Aesthetically and cosmetically, the ship is virtually unblemished. You can't expect a floating hotel that houses 2000 guests and that is subject to rolling seas, vibrations, and constant movement to NOT have some maintenance issues. When there were maintenance issues, they were promptly addressed.
2. Ship Size: 2000 passengers with a 900+ crew is a good mix. The ship is over 800 feet long and offers a lot of More amenities. It is not a mega-ship that offers rock climbing and water park slides, but it also does not take you a $10 cab ride to get to the pool.
3. Food: Excellent selection on the buffet lines. There was always a good selection of fresh fish, beef, pork, and lamb. The Sprinkles ice cream bar was open during the day and closed when the evening buffet closed. The food on the buffets was always fresh and varied and was consistently of high quality. The burgers (and more) in the aft of the ship were great when you just wanted something to eat after coming in from a tour, and the sports bar offered good food (but a LIMITED) sports viewing experience. The sports bar needs to have more availability than 1 ESPN channel and NFL Channel.
4. Itinerary: EXCELLENT. 5 ports with varied experiences available. Dominica and St. Lucia were rain forest tropical with waterfalls and lush scenery. Barbados, St. Maarten, and St. Thomas appealed more to the beach and sun lovers.
5. Crew: The officers were incredibly accessible. If you ever had a problem, I am quite certain that the right person would be contacted and that the issue would be addressed immediately. The average person you meet in the restaurant, on deck, or in the hall was always polite and smiling. I think the people genuinely like working on this ship.
6. Entertainment: Always good and sometimes great featured entertainment in the main room. Magic (excellent), hypnotist, Cirque performers (excellent), a dynamic opera quality male singer (excellent), and in house entertainment troupe rotated shows. There was a LOT of other entertainment going on each night in many other locations. Something for everyone.
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Over the past couple years several linemen have received a major boost to their recruiting by attending the National Elite Big Man Camp in Wixom, Michigan.<p>
With another solid turnout, FOXSportsNEXT.com names five defensive linemen who stood out on the day making our list of top performers.
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HT: 6-foot-3 | WT: 260-pounds
Matich was listed as an offensive lineman and after his performance I'm sure the offensive linemen in attendance wished he competed on their side. Reminds me of former Flint (Mich.) Luke Powers Catholic standout Danny O'Brien with his solid build and high motor. Player who could see his stock rise even higher as he hits more camps in the coming months.
2. Brian Sanders – Detroit (Mich.) Cass Tech
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HT: 6-foot-4 | 235-pounds
With his high energy and burst, Sanders has all the tools to develop into a top player. However, he's not consistent enough yet to be considered elite. That could soon change as we're sure to see more of Sanders this summer. Long frame to add more weight and strength with the burst to come off the edge to cause problems for offensive linemen led to Sanders leaving with a torn shirt from one-on-one victories.
3. Nate Brisson – Ferndale (Mich.) High School
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4. David Beedle – Clarkston (Mich.) High School
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While everyone was paying attention to his teammate Nich Matich, Beedle at times showed he's just as good and with a bigger frame. Performed well during drills and stood out early in one-on-one battles. However, took a great number of reps and you could see it affect his ability to use a solid burst and solid rip to win late battle.
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We also came across several other players to keep an eye on during the day and they included the following.
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Christopher Okoye – Detroit (Mich.) Catholic Central
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2 tbsp olive oil
2 cloves garlic, diced
1 vidalia onion, diced
1 lb tomatoes, half halved and half diced
2 sprigs fresh rosemary, diced (about 1/2 tbsp)
1 tbsp fresh thyme, diced
2 cups low sodium vegetable stock, divided
1 lb lima beans, presoaked
- Heat the olive oil in a large saute pan over medium heat.
- Add the garlic and onion and cook for 7 minutes, then add the diced tomatoes along with the fresh herbs. Cook for an additional 7-10 minutes, breaking down the tomatoes, before adding half of the stock.
- Bring the mixture to a quick boil before turning the heat down to low. Allow to cook for 10-15 minutes, the sauce should start to thicken.
- Meanwhile preheat the oven to 350.
- Pour the lima beans and the halved tomatoes in to a large casserole dish. Pour the sauce over top and then bake in the oven, covered for 30 minutes. Remove the lid, stir, and then bake uncovered for a remaining 15 minutes.
- Allow to sit for a few minutes before serving and enjoy!
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The Tar Heels shot 56 percent from the field as a team on the night, hitting seven of 16 from behind the 3-point arc, and held the Eagles to 33 percent. The Heels came up on the short end of a 42-36 rebound margin.
McCants did not start because he had missed five days of practice last week and first practiced a full day on Thursday of this week due to a quadracep injury.
"It was a little nagging," McCants said, "but practice has gone well. I've been playing hard, adjusting, and making the best of it. I'm still a little sore, but I'll fight through anything."
The pace was anything but slow, with defensive rebounds leading to quick outlet passes and defensive pressure leading to turnovers, which turned into transition baskets.
"It's not about scoring a lot of points," Felton said. "We want to get the ball out and score a lot of points, but we also want to defend. You can score a lot of points, but if you let your opponent score too, you haven't accomplished anything. We concentrated on defense and executed on offense."
"Any chance to start a primary break, we are going to try to exploit," McCants said.
David Noel did not play due to a hyper-extended thumb and possibly ruptured tendon and is expected to be out 6-8 weeks, but that could be a benefit in the long term, according to Sean May.
"David is an incredible player," May said. "For him to be out six to eight weeks is tough for us. At the same time, it helps the depth of our team if Reyshawn can emerge or Justin can get some minutes, Byron can get some more experience. When Dave comes back, he'll be an animal."
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thanks, aimee! can the noise go longer than 45 minutes? i run my 4-year old's fan all night which i know isn't good and wondering if it's continuously spreading sick germs?????
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Here is a question for the pros. The Objective seems like a no win section where a straight forward answer (to get a job at your company, duh) scores no points while a poor objective can hurt the candidate. I cant remember a standout objective, though I dont see a ton of resumes. What do you guys look for in the objective section? What would be a stand out objective section?
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Reading this thread reminds me why I don't change jobs often. What a pain in the ass, especially since there isn't really a great range of pay in my line of work.
Haven't updated mine since 1996, my current employer had a longstanding offer I took them up on.
Guess it's time to work on it just in case.
|November 8th, 2013, 11:34 AM
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I think it's a trick question section....did you take the time to make sure to put an objective that matches the position desired or did you just use the same old resume?
|November 8th, 2013, 12:08 PM
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If it was going to a recruiter or "job shop" I'd go with the longer version.
One thing I've seen, and maybe kickstand could tell us how common it is, is that some recruiters will completely reformat the resumes they get so they all look similar. They will keep what they feel is important for their customer and remove what is not important. What they won't do is add anything that wasn't there. So the more you give them to work with the better they can make you sound. Also, many places put resumes into data base and use a key word search, so it's important to have the right key words.
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Anything you put after that is superfluous and just giving you an opportunity to mess something up.
Besides, once you have a bit more experience, that's valuable real estate you're taking up that could be used for more details about your experience.
I feel the same way about the "References available upon request" line that many folks put at the bottom. Of course references are available upon request. And of course the people making the hiring decision will request them from you if they want them, regardless of what dribble you put at the bottom of your resume. The noteworthy thing would be if your resume said that references were NOT available upon request.
|November 8th, 2013, 01:06 PM
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Certain customer's require certain formats. Certain staffing companies like to format resumes all the exact same as their "signature" or even as their "patented process", it is their way of trying to seperate themselves from the competition.
ALL Staffing companies and even a lot of hiring companies have a resume database. Key word searching from job boards, linked in, facebook, craigslist, indeed, and other places are how we find resumes that appear to be a fit for the position.
Don't say you are currently a CAD Designer. You're an "Automotive Designer" who uses Catia.
I don't have time to call every "designer" and ask him if he is using Catia, UG, Solidworks, Pro-E, Ideas, Etc. Put it on your resume and specifiy which systems you used at which jobs and what version.
The more accurately you depict your experience with key words the more likely you are to get a "call". The more you litter your resume with key words in hopes of coming up in a search the less likely you are to get a call if you don't have the experience to back up the key word results.
Brewmenn your resume (from what I remember of it from 3-4 years ago) is actually a very good example of a resume and how it should be written for your particular field. I was very impressed.
|November 8th, 2013, 02:38 PM
I'm not old, honest...
I look for key words or phrases that tell me a person "knows the lingo" of the trade. Kickstand's point of not saying CAD designer versus specific formats as an example.
I don't care about your kids, local community service or hobbies. I don't care if you flipped burgers in high school. I want to know where you worked, how long you worked there, job title and a basis of what you did. Long explanations bore me. If your resume tells me that you may have the skillsets I need, I then prefer a phone interview. I very rarely allow for a face to face without a phone interview first. I want to see how a person can talk to a stranger on the phone, respond to questions, etc.
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I have 2 full pages. Automotive engineering. I have been complemented on it many times.
Objective - What are you looking for? Why are you applying. One line.
Skills - two line bullet list of what I can do. (problem solving, DFSS, project leader, etc.)
Experience - List it. I do a paragraph of general responsibilities with specific bullets after. Yeah, that year when I was remodeling houses cause I didn't have a job, put it there, but that is all, no extra bullet points.
Education - Degree and institution that granted it, not that you went to 3 colleges before you got it from the Cracker Jack box. Also list relevant association (FSAE).
Skills / Organizations - SAE, NX7.5, MS Project, GLFWDA, etc.
Two pages if you have the experience / skills, but make sure there is white space for them to make notes.
I love reading people's resumes. Like has been said before, take the time to make it professional. If I print it out, and a paragraph carries over to the next page, that is not good. If you don't care enough about yourself to make your resume look good, what are you going to do for my company?
I have been told to take a portfolio to interviews, but I don't see the point. I don't have experience where this mattered, at least for an automotive engineer. Designer, welder, skilled trade, maybe.
|November 8th, 2013, 02:49 PM
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I like to see hobbies on a resume, shows me that you have some interests in common with someone in the group, also shows me that you don't just go home and play world of warcraft every day.
Plus it's always a pretty good icebreaker.
|November 8th, 2013, 02:56 PM
I'm not old, honest...
As far as ice breakers, I would prefer to let these come up during an interview process. It may add or detract to the conversation. Do I read a person's hobby list? Yes. Will it make a difference if I call him in? Not unless I see it as a specific benefit to the job. Example; We sell into the Iron Range in Minnesota where everyone hunts and fishes. We had a city boy salesman there & he did terrible. We changed to a guy who hunts & fishes & he made great improvements because he could relate to them and they could relate to him. But knowing a guy hunts and fishes and I need him to design specialty bearings has no relevance.
EDIT; I recommend people listen to Kickstand over me. He does this for a living, I hire occasionally. My personal preferences may not be the best advice to someone trying to get into a different job market than mine.
My best advice; be honest, don't lie, be yourself. You can never go wrong with that.
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But if you took two identical resumes and one had hobbies on the bottom and you had similar hobbies in common, chances are you may build a bit of a personal rapport with this candidate that may slightly influence your hiring choice.
1 resume has jeeps as a hobby, the other doesn't. Wouldn't that make one guy slightly more interesting to you if all other factors are the same?
After the interview both candidates did very well, you have no idea what candidate one is into, but you know candidate two also likes jeeps. Hobbies never came up with the first candidate because he never listed them. It came up with candidate two because you saw it and asked.
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Also, objective doesn't belong on modern resume's. It's redundant. Yes, we know you want to get a job to do whatever. Toss that crap out and use that space for a qualifications summary or skills summary section that's more specific to the job you're applying for.
These days there is no winning formula to writing a perfect resume other than having the right keywords on it. The online job boards scrape your resume into a database and recruiters keyword search to find you. Old school recruiters like Kickstand are manually keyword scraping and he even said he doesn't have time to read too deep into them unless you have the right number of buzzwords to warrant him assessing you closer.
And the real bummer... you could spend all kinds of time trying to follow some specific format only to have your dream job crafted resume land on some idiots desk who insists (in his/her own head) all resumes should be in Times New Roman... but your new version of Word uses Calibri and you didn't notice. Now your resume is in their trash. It may sound a little extreme but it's not. A lot of internal HR staff spend their days trying to justify their own existence.
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The term "fret" is used to describe the steady build-up of play from very small clearances to noticeable play. It is normaly a problem for splined shafts delivering power where the lubrication cannot be assured all the time. The clearance gradually enlarges with time. I heard the term to describe the build-up of play in a BMW motorcycle final drive shaft, so I used it. It is not dissimilar.
I trust that a new key will help. It cannot worsen it, for sure.
A stepped key, properly radiused is a possibility. They are not universally popular as the step is a weakness. Still, if it avoids dropping the rudder post, it will be welcome.
I wonder is the shaft solid section? I trust it is? If so, if I have to, I will grind two flats on the shaft (slowly), change the steering head to thick walled steel, and put two of the most enormous bolts in there to lock it, and fit a new key. I am not dropping that rudder post unless I have to, and I will over-engineer a steel (or stainless) rudder head before I have to drop the post. I simply cannot face that one, as yet.
I will measure up for the fitting of a big torque arm on the rudder shaft too. I really need to have some aux steering capability. I can send a man below to operate it, using a pitch-fork handle and shaft or something similar....just enough to be able to control the ship. I plan to cut a wee aperture for the handle and a wee inspection hatch to be able to connect it quickly. It sounds a reasonable project.
I would think the key being bronze will hopefully have absorbed most of the wear and replacing it will restore to a tight fit. As you know the only way to find out is to remove it and take your lumps. If the rudder shaft keyway is OK but there is wear in the head you might be able to have the heads' keyway enlarged and use a step key. If the post is worn; well, you know what needs to be done in that case.
Good luck, John
I am having a problem with the term "fret".
I am guessing the box drops down over the rudder shaft after the cover is removed and mount to the hull unbolted. You migh want to put a hose clamp around the rudder shaft to keep the housing from going down to far.
You may have to rotate the wheel to get the gears to release.
I bet just replacing the key with a new one will take the play away. If not all then look for shims on both sides of the pinion gear. Since the gears are captured once the cover is in place I see no need for bigger set screws.
There is no problem (yet) getting the steering head off the rudder post. It is loose on there at present as it rotates a little before the key stops it and so it's able to turn the rudder post. If it were jammed on there I would see no play.
The problem I forsee is trying to get a new key to fit such that there is no circumferential play in there, or very little. Things are going to be worn on the shaft and on the rudder head, methinks.
What I cannot figure is why the designer thought that it would not fret on there? If it is a sliding fit to start with, it must have had a clearance, and even with bigger lock studs, it would fret and so the clearances build with time?
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While I can offer no help to your problem, I feel your pain. I spent 4 hours trying to remove the nut on the rudder shaft. I even put a pipe on the wrench handle and bent the pipe. Nut is still on.....
I am fairly confident that the rudder head flange will come off. I was more concerned about getting it back on there so that it does not fret again. You can see the steering head at the top of the rudder post here....
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This fretting is an old (albeit high-speed) problem on motorcycle shaft drives, and it is not easy to stop it wearing worse without constant re-greasing.
It puzzles me, as on the prop shaft of the ship, there is no way that flange is going to fret on there... it is rock solid with a big lock bolt on it.
I guess this is the penalty paid for the steering head flange going on there easily in situ at time of assembly... it never is quite locked in service, as there must be assembly clearances, and fretting breeds more fretting, it seems.
It is getting slowly worse, and it eats at your confidence.
I really cannot lose steering on that ship, as I will not be able to hold her without that rudder, and there is no aux steering facility...
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|While I can offer no help to your problem, I feel your pain. I spent 4 hours trying to remove the nut on the rudder shaft. I even put a pipe on the wrench handle and bent the pipe. Nut is still on.....
steering head keyway play...
The steering on my ship... a Union 36... is a worm gear design.
On the top of the long rudderr post is a big flange... we have called it the "steering head" A circumferential (rotation angle) play has developed between the head and the rudder post.
The steering head is bronze, and uncorroded.
The steering head is keyed to the shaft with what appears to be a bronze key... it is not easy to see.
There are also two very small grub screws... very small indeed... that seem to help hold the steering head to the rudder post, a little.
I am hoping that the key is worn, and not too much the shaft, though I am ready for disappointment.
I cannot get the rudder shaft out of there without a sanity check.
Has anyone faced this situation?
I have spoken to two very helpful boaties, and they recommend a new key, at least. One of them is confident that he can machine a slightly wider key, after I furnish him with the dimensions. He plans also to beef up the wee locking screws to something a bit more substantial, in stainless.
I plan to measure with a Vernier, and to take a paper rubbing of the key with oily hands... that one works sometimes.
Next task is to strip the steering head off there. The compartment is very cramped. I will crick my backbone out of joint, I am sure, again.
The vast majority of the steering play is at that interface, so I hope I can improve it somewhat. The ship has no reserve steering position. Maybe I will fit a below deck tiller arm on there too, while I am below.
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