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|2009-06-22, 10:42
|Link #161
Join Date: Nov 2007
Age: 28
Oh right zhanquan seems that you got a point there......
The Basij won't hestitate to shoot, as proven from Neda.
|2009-06-22, 10:48
|Link #162
Obey the Darkly Cute ...
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ...
Age: 59
Keep up with the news ... the street youth ARE terrorizing the Basij at night. They know the alleys, the secret ways, whereas the Basij are rarely even from the area --- they peel the Basij off and it doesn't matter if you have a gun or not if you're blindsided.
And actually - at close range, a baseball bat with nails is much faster than a gun pointed the wrong way...
|2009-06-22, 10:54
|Link #163
Μ ε r c ü r υ
Join Date: Jun 2004
But, from the past experiences of my country, I can say this. People who wouldn't mind killing the opposing side would prefer nothing more than the opposing side to attack them. This will give them the best excuse to cause more damage. And the best way to get away with it.
Spoiler for off topic:
|2009-06-22, 11:23
|Link #164
Join Date: Nov 2003
Obama being careful with his comments is the correct answer
because you see... any kind of support from a foreign country will be used as a rallying cry against the protesters
heck, they're already blaming England/US/Jews for masterminding all of this
|2009-06-22, 11:39
|Link #165
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Join Date: Jun 2004
Currently, there is nothing they can do other than talk. If you talk about democracy and the validity of the votes, do you really think he is going to gain the support of countries like Russia, China, neighbor countries, etc. That means, forgetting about UN and its security council. If using force would be a measure stick, then how will Obama look into other countries' citizens when they ask him what did you do in Iraq and what are you still doing there? If they ask about inhuman acts, how will he answer when they tell him, you cannot even talk openly about what US did to other countries' citizens, in the name of protecting your own country, in those next-generation collection camps?
It is not like US has a lot to say in that matter. Maybe the US of ten years ago would have found it easier to act, but the current one, even using the name Obama may not have enough credibility to do so.
|2009-06-22, 11:53
|Link #166
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: at GNR, bringing you the truth, no matter how bad it hurts
Age: 32
but they blame anything on them anyway
if the rain in spain falls anywhere OTHER then the plain, its becouse the jews did it
|2009-06-22, 12:01
|Link #167
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Join Date: Jun 2004
And at this point for Iran, it does not matter whether the threat comes from US or Israel. Both countries share similar ideals regarding Iran, and both countries are expected to work towards the same destination together. I think, anything that is related to US taking place in Middle East includes something from Israel, directly or indirectly. I doubt you will find a lot of conflicting ideas there. Just because Israel is not directly involving in some matters does not mean they are not in it.
I am also eager to learn about such activities too. Because, I am sure those activities are not limited to a single country there. The question you should ask is if Iran falls to US's control, what is the next step?
|2009-06-22, 12:15
|Link #168
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: at GNR, bringing you the truth, no matter how bad it hurts
Age: 32
3)the terrorist cells in iraq (dont know if they have one specific name)
all these forces get funding and support from the corrent iranian goverment
if iran falls then the terrorist groups lose much of their power
and syria loses its only real ally and can be pressured into falling in line with US policy
none of which BTW seem like a BAD idea to me
it would go a long way towards actually achiving peace in the middle east
|2009-06-22, 12:21
|Link #169
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Join Date: Jun 2004
I don't know what you consider as peace. Peace as in US or Israel doing what they wish, and the others crumbling under them if they don't approve of those countries' ideals? You cannot achieve a long-lasting peace by putting countries under your control. I have always thought that if Israel, which is considered as a democratic country directly part of the conflict surrounding almost all countries in the region including Iran, would have acted first with pure intentions of peace, the results would have triggered a better transition for the whole region, again including Iran.
But, that is not happening, for a simple reason, and that lies within the peace definition, I am guessing, you are referring to. That may include buying some lands in northern Iraq, taking the currently unknown mine-cleaning deal across the southern borders of Turkey, which may give the control of the lands for nearly half century to the companies doing the deals (Israel's name is the first one being mentioned there). I think, there are a lot of plans going on in the region, that may even cause much bigger troubles for everyone.
|2009-06-22, 12:22
|Link #170
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Philippines
Age: 40
Here's my two cents: the revolution that threw out the Shah and installed the Ayatollah and his supporters to power may as well be the same one that could possibly throw them down.
Gonna color my Twitter icon green tomorrow.
|2009-06-22, 12:33
|Link #173
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: at GNR, bringing you the truth, no matter how bad it hurts
Age: 32
there are two types of countries in the middle east in regards to the arab israeli conflict (which iran, despite not being arab, is a part of)
those who still believe that israel can be destroyed
and those who have already given up on that notion
the "yes we can" club is the main problem with any future peace deals
and the corrent goverment in iran is spearheading it
peace negotiating is about equality in demends
right now the US has the ability to pressure israel into making SOME changes that he wants
and no ability at all to pressure ANY of the other factors in the area
hamas hizballa and syria flip them the finger basiclly, and they do this becouse iran's got their backs
if iran DIDNT have their backs,they wouldnt be such a pain to deal with
THEN you can talk peace, becouse then you can force BOTH sides (arabs and israelis) to sit down, shut up, and try to get along
if all obama can do is pressure israel (his main ALLY in the region) into to doing things for him, then i'm not impressed
so he can MAYBE get them to freeze building in the settlemnts
so what ?
so could ANY US PRESIDENT EVER ELECTED
convicing your ALLIES to do stuff for you is nothing
convicing your ENEMIES is the key
and right now he cant, and more importently, doesnt seem to WANT to, do jack about that
Spoiler for off topic about the other two bolded lines:
the above added link leads to tom gross's news site
it includes multiple video's about thing happening in iran
be warned, some of them are rather brutal
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|2009-06-22, 16:28
|Link #175
Hopeless Dreamer
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: On bended knee asking Belldandy to marry me
For the quick and short of it:
The initial motivation of the demonstrators has been dampened, but now that blood has been shed (and they have a globally recognized martyr in Neda) something has been set in motion that I think will play out over the months to come.
|2009-06-22, 20:24
|Link #176
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: PMB Headquarters
Although American president Obama had once made a speech that "the United States is willing to lend a hand if the Iranians are willing to un-clench their fist", the current Iranian tyrannical regime is definitely not showing any goodwill at all. First, they win an election unfairly with non-eligible votes. Then, they go off and started killing civilians calling it justice and that these peaceful protestors are peace disturbers.
The most disturbing thing is that they gunned down a young female bystander Neda with a sniper at the top of one of the buildings as part of their "peace maintaining actions". The outrage is that the girl had nothing to do with the protests. Perhaps, some of the local authorities who side with the protestors should set up some snipers on the ground level, just in case bullets come raining down from the sky where people don't expect. If they are going to snipe bystanders, then maybe the ones on the ground level should snipe them back. Its not like they are the only ones capable of sniping targets at a distant, tons of people in Iran are capable of doing the same thing, as well as any nation.
More importantly, Iranians in other nations are currently worried about their family and friends in the chaotic mess right now as that communications are all restricted to the point that even if you do get through to the other side, they do not dare to talk freely as that their tyrannical regime may be monitoring them and if they say anything more than necessary, their lives may be in the danger. In other words, the information flow can only be relied on the ones willing to risk their lives for others which is what this protest is all about in the first place. The tyrannical regime of Iran is currently spreading lies and fraduelent claims of the election and also unfair recount methods involving tons of un-eligble votes. Aside from all this, Iranians should have the freedom to protest against unjust and unfair elections but instead.. They are getting gunned down, this is definitely an unacceptable act. Iran must strongly be condemned!!!
|2009-06-22, 21:33
|Link #177
Hopeless Dreamer
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: On bended knee asking Belldandy to marry me
Here's a site that posts highlights from the #IranElection Twitter topic.
Foreign Ministry spokesman Hasan Qashqavi accused CNN of training hackers to take down Iranian government sites. Blaming the west for "meddling" in their affairs is expected, but news networks training hackers?
Any hacking taking place is purely on the part of independent actors.
|2009-06-23, 00:32
|Link #179
Join Date: Nov 2007
Age: 28
They are blaming ENGLAND? These people don't have any sense of gratitude, the SAS should have left their diplomats to die 29 years ago. CT operations aren't easy to run, and just because UK is an ally of US doesn't mean Lizzie is an American lapdog.
That blaming trick is getting old. Those geriatric self-righteous pigs should just try something new. Acting like the "impure" animals they condemn is totally genius in their own part.
Anyway, my local news ran a review on the issue, stating that Iranians should deciding their own future rather than some old religious leader or anyone else, I see if I can get a scan on that article.
|2009-06-23, 00:42
|Link #180
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2003
This really is the worst fraud cover up ever.
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today i checked with Dell regarding warranty for my laptop which had some issues yesterday and i'm still covered for yet another 175 days on XPS premium support and next day parts and service from Dell.
So, now i've sent a support request and hopefully they'll get back to me asap so i can get it resolved.
But, fearing that the M1710 is no longer in production i'm curious as to how it's going to be fixed. Hopefully they'll still have parts for it but what exactly are they going to swap out when the entire system overheats??
It's now a waiting game i guess…but next day parts day support should be a good help. I guess i'll now see how great Dells support is (hope it's better than Austin Computer's warranty policies).
Wish me luck!!

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