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Japan's Media Dinosaurs Struggle to Adapt
By Mark Austin | August 19, 2010
Two foreign journalists with their hands forlornly in the air, ignored at a press conference where the Japanese prime minister dissolves parliament.
Blood spilled on the streets of Tokyo's "Electric Town" and splashed in a newspaper extra.
Circumstances surrounding former Prime Minister Taro Aso's announcement on July 21, 2009, of a general election, and the so-called Akihabara massacre that left seven people dead and 10 injured 13 months earlier, symbolize, respectively, the cartelization of information by Japan's mainstream media under the so-called kisha (press) club system and the unraveling of that cartel.
David McNeill, from Ireland, and Pio d'Emilia, who is Italian, were the reporters with aching arms who never got the chance to ask questions at Aso's half-hour news conference because they were not members of the Prime Minister's Press Club.
"Ahead of that press conference I was told by the Prime Minister's Office that we would have observer status only—we could listen, but not ask questions," McNeill says. "I was kind of mad: I thought that this would be one of the most-watched elections in Japanese political history because we were about to see the end of the LDP. So not allowing the foreign press even one question seemed to me to be unacceptable."
The watershed August 30 general election did in fact prove disastrous for the Liberal Democratic Party, which was hammered by the major opposition Democratic Party of Japan, losing 177 seats in the 480-seat House of Representatives, while the DPJ gained 195, giving it 308 seats and a commanding majority. While the DPJ's election manifesto did not spell out its intention to reform the kisha club system, the party had since its foundation in 1998 championed the cause of information disclosure by the government.
As far as the DPJ was concerned, the key to more open government was reforming the kisha club system. Tracing their history back to 1890, the kisha clubs are attached to entities including government ministries and agencies, local government organs, the courts, the Bank of Japan, the Tokyo Stock Exchange, prefectural police headquarters, political party headquarters, chambers of commerce and major corporations. There are thought to be as many as 1,500 such clubs, which act as channels for the dissemination of official information, but are widely criticized for their exclusivity, their symbiotic relationship with their sources—which breeds a culture of self-censorship—and the tendency of their members to write essentially the same stories, so that no member has an edge over his cohorts.
In his book Cartels of the Mind: Japan's Intellectual Closed Shop, American scholar Ivan Hall says of the kisha club system: "It is the intellectual cartel most obvious to the eye; the one most deeply set in the formal structures and working habits of an entire profession; the one with the most baneful impact on the exchange of ideas with other countries; the one most restrictive of an open and democratic flow of information among the Japanese themselves; and the only such cartel actually threatened with collapse should outsiders be allowed to participate."
The European Union agreed, threatening in 2002 to file a complaint against Japan with the World Trade Organization unless it ended the "widespread and undesirable practice of split briefings for domestic and foreign journalists," a move that prodded the Japanese government to instruct ministries to let holders of the Foreign Ministry-issued foreign press ID card attend press conferences. This instruction, however, was widely ignored.
Then DPJ President Yukio Hatoyama said at a press conference on July 27, 2009, seven weeks before taking office as Japan's 60th prime minister: "I and former party leader (Ichiro) Ozawa have long said categorically that we will open press conferences to all. We have no intention of going back on this. Therefore, there is no need to state this in our manifesto."
With a year having passed since the DPJ took over the reins of government, now is a good time to write a report card on the progress the ruling party has made toward its pledge of overhauling the kisha club system. But first, let's return to the bloodstained streets of Akihabara, scene of a tragedy that signaled another epochal development in Japan's media environment.
Real-time bloodbath in Akihabara
On a hot Sunday afternoon in early June 2008, disaffected loner Tomohiro Kato plowed a rented 2-ton truck into a crowd of pedestrians in Tokyo's electronics, video game and manga shopping hub, killing three people and injuring two, before getting out of the truck and stabbing 12 people, four fatally. It was a depressingly familiar incident of random mass murder in Japan, a country where the crime rate is very low, but sudden explosions of murderous rage far from uncommon—the National Police Agency logged 67 such attacks in the 10 years preceding the Akihabara massacre.
News organizations dispatched scores of reporters to the crime scene, and newspapers raced to put out extras. While the extra has become virtually extinct in Western countries, this antiquated platform for breaking news is still very much alive in Japan, for reasons one can only guess at. The Yomiuri Shimbun, the newspaper with the largest readership in the world, boasting a combined morning and evening circulation of around 14 million, published a rare four-page extra with three Japanese pages and one English one (put together by staff of The Daily Yomiuri, an English-language daily published by The Yomiuri Shimbun). In a fascinating interface of old and new media technologies, four of the eight photos on the Japanese pages, including the only photo on the front page, which showed the perpetrator being led away by police, were credited to "dokusha," or readers, who had captured the assault on their cell phones or digital cameras. The others, showing the aftermath of the attack, were taken by Yomiuri Shimbun staff photographers. The one photo on the English page of the extra was from AP.
Unsurprisingly, given Akihabara's status as a technology mecca, the horror that unfolded there on June 8 last year was also reported as it happened on Twitter and broadcast live on streaming video Web site Ustream by two users who happened to be at the scene. The Ustream coverage ignited a firestorm of debate in the Japanese blogosphere over the morality of rubbernecking "citizen paparazzi" making public the massacre victims' private agony and triggered a backlash in the weekly magazines that seemed somewhat hypocritical given the salaciousness of much of their reporting. The Ustream link was posted on Internet mega-forum 2channel, attracting thousands of viewers and crashing the live stream. In an awesome demonstration of the power of the new "democratized media," personal information about the perpetrator of the massacre was also posted on 2channel, including his name and the schools he attended, within hours of the attack. The forum is said to have as many as 16 million users.
Banging on the door
Clearly, a tectonic shift is under way in Japan's media world. But how fast are the plates moving, and will traditional media be able to adapt to the "Web 2.0" world, in which Internet users play an active role in generating and sharing content?
Ginko Kobayashi, a London-based Japanese journalist who is author of the popular Japanese-language UK Media Watch blog says: "There's been a battle going on in recent years between the traditional Japanese media, whose policies are decided by middle-aged men, and the Net media, dominated by people in their 20s and 30s. Net media—Ustream, Twitter and famous blogs—are changing the direction of debates in Japan, though not in a major way yet."
Kobayashi credits freelance journalists, notably Takashi Uesugi and Tetsuo "Teddy" Jimbo, with forcing the DPJ to take the initiative to open up press conferences to non-kisha club members by "banging on the door demanding transparency and openness."
"Moves (to open up press conferences to non-kisha club members) were under way before the DPJ took power, but since the change of administration, responses have been mixed depending on the minister involved," says Uesugi, author of "Janarisumu Hokai" (The Collapse of Journalism) and arch-critic of the kisha clubs. Uesugi noted that with the honorable exceptions of former Prime Minister Hatoyama; Foreign Minister Katsuya Okada; Internal Affairs and Communications Minister Kazuhiro Haraguchi; DPJ Secretary General Yumio Edano; Ichiro Ozawa, DPJ powerbroker and former party secretary general; and Shizuka Kamei, leader of the People's New Party and former financial services and postal reform minister, "the others have reneged on the election pledge."
Commenting on how new media technologies have impacted traditional mainstream Japanese media, Uesugi singled out Twitter, whose adoption by freelancers means that "(government) press conferences are effectively held online. As a result, at least the public has learned about the existence of the dreadful system known as the kisha club. The Internet has had a positive effect. I think the kisha club system will collapse within the next 10 years."
Jimbo, editor in chief of subscription-funded Internet news broadcaster videonews.com, shared rueful tales about his experiences battling the kisha club system with Japan Close-Up, describing how he was stymied time and again by the system when he worked as a reporter for wire service AP, including on the occasion of Emperor Hirohito's death in 1989.
As AP was not allowed to join the Imperial Household Agency Press Club, Jimbo was forced to attribute news of the emperor's death in his report to public broadcaster NHK, which, of course, is a member of the club. "As far as I know, North Korea and Japan are the only countries in the world where the head of state's death has to be attributed to official state media," Jimbo said in an interview at his modest broadcasting studio in Meguro, Tokyo. But while he is an ardent critic of the kisha club system, Jimbo doesn't seek its abolition.
"Throughout their history, (Japanese) media have held the upper hand over the government in terms of holding press conferences and the basic rules of how press conferences are conducted, such as who gets to ask questions and so forth," Jimbo said. "So if the kisha clubs become more open organizations, that relationship should, I think, be maintained—the media having the upper hand over the government, rather than the government getting to decide how to deal with the media."
Jimbo worries that if the kisha clubs dig their heels in and refuse—out of a determination to protect their vested interests—to let foreign media, magazines, Web media and freelancers attend the press conferences they host, the government will step in and take control of media affairs.
"The government can say, 'The kisha clubs aren't responding properly to the current situation, so we have to take charge and open press conferences.' And maybe the government's motivation is a sincere and honest one—it simply wants to open up press conferences, but the kisha club is blocking it, so it's taking over. Maybe that's the case with the DPJ. But five or 10 years from now, you don't know what kind of people are going to be in power," Jimbo pointed out.
Three moral hazards bedevil Japan's mainstream media, Jimbo says: cross-ownership, under which the "Big Five" media groups—Yomiuri, Asahi, Mainichi, Nihon Keizai and Sankei—own or have stakes in dozens of TV stations, radio stations, newspapers and magazines; the kisha club system; and the resale price maintenance system, which allows newspaper companies to sell their products at prices higher than the market would normally dictate.
Such cozy arrangements ill serve the Japanese public, Jimbo believes. "In the past 50 years, there's been no newcomer in the Japanese mass media industry. Back in the '70s cable TV came along, satellite TV arrived in the '90s, and now there's the Internet, which is finally changing the shape of the media, slowly," he says. "But in the past 50 years, the five conglomerates have dominated the market, and there's been no newcomer. That shows how closed the market is, and how well protected they are."
A veteran reporter for one of Japan's big dailies, who asked that his name not be given, stuck up for the status quo and defended the kisha clubs, which, he said, "serve the common good by enabling news-gathering in a way that goes beyond the everyday rivalry that exists among media organizations."
A Prague spring?
Irish reporter McNeill, who chairs the Foreign Press in Japan, the main conduit between the foreign press corps in Japan and the organs of the Japanese state, recalls the excitement that greeted Foreign Minister Okada's maiden press conference on September 18 last year. Okada, a longtime proponent of open government who made a point of opening his press conferences to non-kisha club members as he rose through the upper ranks of the DPJ, began his first press conference as Japan's top diplomat by saying that his meetings with the press "will be open, in principle, not only to media organizations that are members of the press club in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, but to all media."
"That press conference was really remarkable because first of all it was really long—it was nearly an hour long—and Okada kept asking for more questions," McNeill says. "There was an official beside him who kept trying to wind things up: 'Ja, kore de ii desho ka' (OK, that should do it), and he kept looking at his watch, but Okada said, "Mo chotto de" (Just a bit longer).
"And you could see Okada enjoyed it. He took questions on all kinds of stuff, most of them from the freelancers, from the magazine journalists. There were a lot of questions about (the U.S. Marine Corps') Futenma (Air Base), there were a lot of follow-up questions. Usually it's one, one, one, one.
"You could tell why the press club system is so bad by looking at the conduct of that press conference because in the old system both sides got used to this very ritualized transfer of questions and answers—same questions, same answers—whereas introducing all these different perspectives from people who weren't members of the press clubs livened things up, kept Okada on his feet and broadened the debate. So we were all very impressed."
While hailing the "major change" in the Japanese government's dealings with the press, McNeill echoed Jimbo's concerns about whether the new dispensation is too good to last: "I don't know if it's a revolution, if it's irreversible. Let's say the LDP or some other conservative government comes back into power—what then?"
Veteran Japan watcher Karel van Wolferen, emeritus professor of comparative political and economic institutions at the University of Amsterdam, speculates that the DPJ government's policy of opening up press conferences to non-kisha club members could have ramifications that are more subtle and far-reaching than mere increased transparency of governance.
"I think it's a mistake to expect a direct effect like 'more people can ask questions, so we will know more,'" says van Wolferen, who memorably described the Japanese media as a "well-tuned single-voice choir" in his best-selling book The Enigma of Japanese Power. "Maybe it'll help a bit, but that's not important. What's important is that vis-à-vis this development, the monopoly of the big Japanese newspapers and NHK is undermined.
"Since the large newspapers in Japan are really major authors of political reality—much more so than newspapers in any European country or the United States—because of the arrangements that they have with each other: the agreements about what to highlight, what to write about and what to cover up, that means that Japanese newspapers are going to be less important in determining political reality in Japan."
Jimbo seconded van Wolferen's opinion on the waning authority of Japan's media giants, saying of them: "Because of the changing media environment, their influence and roles are getting smaller and smaller. They still have huge audiences, but they are less and less respected by so-called opinion leaders, who tend to rely more and more on nonconventional media, such as specialized magazines, the Web and blogs.
"These opinion leaders project their views and information to large sections of the public through conventional media, through the Web, through Twitter and other Web-related means. Horiemon (entrepreneur Takafumi Horie), for example, has half a million followers on Twitter, and when he writes a book it sells a million copies. (Economist) Nobuo Ikeda, (cultural critic) Hiroki Azuma—they have enormous influence over people."
Van Wolferen is more circumspect about the brave new wired world. "I think that for all the talk about an information society, there's another side to the coin—there's a disinformation society," he says. "The effect of bullshit is enormous. In a media culture that has given itself over, almost entirely, to entertainment principles, where celebrity counts and pseudo events are covered in what used to be serious publications, the bullshit factor is far more relevant than the access that we have to reasoned commentary."
Connected, but not united
The only other country that had a press club system comparable to Japan's is South Korea, which began dismantling what was a vestige of Japan's 1910–45 colonial rule following the election of left-leaning Roh Moo-hyun as president in 2002. Roh came to power with the support of young people who favored Internet-based news Web sites, notably OhmyNews, whose slogan is "Every Citizen Is A Reporter," and which relies on an army of 60,000 unpaid "citizen reporters" to generate the bulk of its content. A grateful Roh gave his first postelection interview to the site. OhmyNews opened a branch in Japan in 2006 using funds invested by SoftBank Corp., but the venture was closed down just two years later, having failed to attract enough volunteer reporters, page hits or advertising revenue.
Contrasting the South Korean example with Japan's, McNeill says: "There's been a political revolution in South Korea in the last 20 years, so you have this very vibrant, open democracy—that's why there's been a grassroots rebellion against the old conservative establishment, which includes the newspapers. There's a demand for liberal left, antiestablishment content, which the Internet providers like OhmyNews offer. There isn't the same level of grassroots political activity here that there is in the rest of the world. People are pretty apathetic politically."
Jimbo and van Wolferen concur with this assessment. "If OhmyNews had come to Japan at the same time as the DPJ took power, maybe things would have been different," says Jimbo, who admits his Internet news service is "struggling to survive" with just 12,000 subscribers, despite having the largest subscription base among Web news sites in Japan. Van Wolferen notes that while there is a citizen movement tradition in Japan stretching back to the late 19th century, such movements have tended to be local and concern themselves with single issues, such as the environmental-poisoning cases—Minamata, Itai-itai and Yokkaichi asthma—that he wrote about in the 1970s while a foreign correspondent in Japan.
"But within that tradition, you could imagine that the Internet amplifies the opportunity" for people to organize, he said, adding that the democratization of media "has expanded the means by which we can make our voices heard, but it also dilutes the content. The more that people throw opinions all over the place, what does it add up to? The problem is what I call the 'opinion mist,' which makes things less visible. What you need is a political movement."
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Red Hat Bugzilla – Bug 462157
X hang on ATI Radeon r500
Last modified: 2013-01-09 23:48:18 EST
Description of problem:
Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):
How reproducible:
Steps to Reproduce:
Actual results:
1. If I use fc10's kernels, fedora will boot with a new graphics (a fedora logo on it, I think it is plymouth). And the X always hang up after login. The mouse can be moved on the screen, but screen does update anymore, and Ctrl + Alt + Backspace does not work. When I press power button of my laptop, the computer will be shutdown in one or two minutes. (So I think the kernel is OK. Just X hang up)
2. If I use fc9's kernels, fedora will boot without the graphics screen (the plymouth), X will not hang up. But abnormal graphical display occurs. If I move the cursor, or type some things in the term, a small rectangle of something appears from time to time on the right edge of the screen. If the screen is static, the abnormal thing will not happen.
Expected results:
X does not hang up.
X displays correctly.
Additional info:
Created attachment 316642 [details]
I recoded the screen with camera
Created attachment 316643 [details]
my xorg.conf
Created attachment 316644 [details]
Xorg.0.log with fc9's kernel
I was about to post a new bug report when I found this, hopefully my problem qualifies to be a duplicate of this. It would appear that the with the latest batch of updates, this problem is not as severe as with the previous Xorg update, however a combination of Xorg + x11-drv-ati-6.8.0-19 may be the culprits.
Here's what I originally intended to report:
Summary: "Computer unresponsive under graphics stress"
Viewing or working with large images (raster/vector) causes the system to a severe slow down to the point of X freezing (gkrellm no longer updates the krells, mouse cursor moves around VERY slowly and "jumpy", I don't seem able to input any key combination to snap out of X). Through an SSH session I am able to run top (albeit the system also feels very sluggish) and all I'm able to see is that Xorg, hald-addon-storage and top are pretty much consuming all the available CPU. Killing the offending processes I'm unable to restart an X session, and a hard reboot is required (pressing the power button for more than 5 secs on my laptop)
Hardware profile:
Before the latest update, I was able to reliably reproduce this problem with this image:
**One interesting thing while I was testing this URL, the machine "stuttered" for a bit while loading this image, Xorg CPU usage spiked to 100% on one core, and PulseAudio skipped sound (had Rythmbox playing some tunes), when I opened a terminal to check the smolt profile, the system froze when I moved the terminal window (with fake transparent background)
The offending processes are:
Xorg - 100% - 120% CPU usage during problem.
hald-addon-storage ~50% CPU usage during problem (interestingly enough it seems to have problems to poll the DVD drive)
Top - it eats about 45% trying to poll the resources.
At this point I'm no longer sure what the problem is or where it lies. I had rebooted to the previous kernel, same problem, had tried to use GIT ati drivers, which I had working just fine with the previous kernel, same problem, reverted back to Fedora's provided driver, same problem. Reverted back to Xorg 1.4.99, and while it seemed to be more stable, in the end I ran into the same problem. Before updates stared rolling out again, I had the following configuration working _just_fine_:
Composited Desktop through Metacity.
ATi driver from GIT
Had to add AccelMethod EXA to Xorg in order for composite to be fast enough without tearing.
* Monitoring the system from the SSH terminal for any changes in /var/log/messages and triggering the problem does not show anything of special interest.
* I've got a few APIC error messages on dmesg
* All the evidence thus far point to an X or driver problem.
* The Xorg.0.log.old is flooded with:
[mi] mieqEneque: out-of-order valuator event: dropping.
[mi] EQ overflowing. The server is probaly stuck in an infinite loop.
I don't think I can debug this further (I lack the skill, and probably the means to)
Created attachment 317704 [details]
Xorg log
Created attachment 317705 [details]
dmesg output
Created attachment 317706 [details]
The xorg.conf I'm using
Yes, the first log is also fill of
[mi] EQ overflowing. The server is probably stuck in an infinite loop.
[mi] mieqEnequeue: out-of-order valuator event; dropping.
Little update:
I installed and tried out a build from GIT of the xorg-x11-drv-ati driver (checked out Sept. 30th) and X still hangs. I have not been able to capture in the Xorg.0.log.old or any other X log for that matter (after cleaning [deleting] any X log, by the way) and even when triggering the problem (trying to view at full size and panning a 1600x1200 image in EoG). Also updating to the latest kernel (126.96.36.199-45.fc9) does not help either (in case this might have something to do with the DRM module, radeon or some such). Also, I am using a framebuffer VT (vga=803) if that might have something to do with it. The APIC errors go away when I add noapic command line option.
Does putting nomodeset on the kernel command line help? If yes, this is duplicate of bug 464896.
(In reply to comment #10)
> Does putting nomodeset on the kernel command line help? If yes, this is
> duplicate of bug 464896.
X does not crash with nomodeset. But X still display some graphics abnormally. It is same with kernel from FC9. Please look the video https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=316642 . It was captured from FC9 kernel.
(In reply to comment #10)
> Does putting nomodeset on the kernel command line help? If yes, this is
> duplicate of bug 464896.
Will try this. I'll report back when I have run some tests.
Well, I have tried and can consistently cause the issue even when running with nomodeset. Reliably reproducing the problem with a large image viewed in EoG.
Ok, been trying to give it a shot and try to debug this, but I don't seem able to install xorg-x11-server-debuginfo, there seems to be some missing deps which yum does not seem able to solve.:
su -c 'yum --enablerepo=fedora-debuginfo -y install xorg-x11-server-debuginfo'
Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, refresh-packagekit
Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
* livna: wftp.tu-chemnitz.de
* fedora: mirror.newnanutilities.org
* updates-newkey: mirror.cogentco.com
* fedora-debuginfo: mirror.cogentco.com
* updates: mirror.cogentco.com
Setting up Install Process
Parsing package install arguments
Resolving Dependencies
--> Running transaction check
---> Package xorg-x11-server-debuginfo.x86_64 0:220.127.116.111-29.20080415.fc9 set to be updated
--> Processing Dependency: libGLcore.so()(64bit) for package: xorg-x11-server-debuginfo
--> Processing Dependency: libxtrap.so()(64bit) for package: xorg-x11-server-debuginfo
--> Processing Dependency: libdri2.so()(64bit) for package: xorg-x11-server-debuginfo
--> Finished Dependency Resolution
xorg-x11-server-debuginfo-22.214.171.1241-29.20080415.fc9.x86_64 from fedora-debuginfo has depsolving problems
--> Missing Dependency: libdri2.so()(64bit) is needed by package xorg-x11-server-debuginfo-126.96.36.1991-29.20080415.fc9.x86_64 (fedora-debuginfo)
xorg-x11-server-debuginfo-18.104.22.1681-29.20080415.fc9.x86_64 from fedora-debuginfo has depsolving problems
--> Missing Dependency: libGLcore.so()(64bit) is needed by package xorg-x11-server-debuginfo-220.127.116.111-29.20080415.fc9.x86_64 (fedora-debuginfo)
xorg-x11-server-debuginfo-220.127.116.111-29.20080415.fc9.x86_64 from fedora-debuginfo has depsolving problems
--> Missing Dependency: libxtrap.so()(64bit) is needed by package xorg-x11-server-debuginfo-184.108.40.2061-29.20080415.fc9.x86_64 (fedora-debuginfo)
Error: Missing Dependency: libxtrap.so()(64bit) is needed by package xorg-x11-server-debuginfo-184.108.40.2061-29.20080415.fc9.x86_64 (fedora-debuginfo)
Error: Missing Dependency: libGLcore.so()(64bit) is needed by package xorg-x11-server-debuginfo-22.214.171.1241-29.20080415.fc9.x86_64 (fedora-debuginfo)
Error: Missing Dependency: libdri2.so()(64bit) is needed by package xorg-x11-server-debuginfo-126.96.36.1991-29.20080415.fc9.x86_64 (fedora-debuginfo)
I'm trying to follow this Debug how to for the Xserver:
Just noticed that Yum is trying to pull the debuginfo package for Xorg 1.4.99 and not 1.5.2, does this have anything to do with the newkeys repos? If so how do I install the correct debuginfo?
I have the same problem running rawhide
The only way to get a running X is to pass nomodeset as a kernel parameter and even in that case I get artifacts in the 40% rightmost part of the screen.
Well, the same type of problem I am running into with the xorg-x11-drv-ati driver is also present with the xorg-x11-drv-radeonhd from Koji, however the log says a couple of interesting things, like it doesn't recognize the card I am using it with (my laptop's) and that AtomBIOS actually reports the right type of card, the chipset is obviously supported... But a couple things caught my eye:
(II) RADEONHD(0): Unknown card detected: 0x791F:0x1179:0xFF1A.
If - and only if - your card does not work or does not work optimally
please contact email@example.com to help rectify this.
Use the subject: 0x791F:0x1179:0xFF1A: <name of board>
and *please* describe the problems you are seeing
in your message.
(II) RADEONHD(0): ATOM BIOS Rom:
SubsystemVendorID: 0x1179 SubsystemID: 0xff1a
IOBaseAddress: 0x9000
Filename: br26107b.bin
BIOS Bootup Message:
ATI Radeon Xpress ?1250? for MW10A
At any rate, I'm starting to suspect EXA to be the culprit. Will have to perform a couple of tests (with driver ati [radeon] and radeonhd, see how it goes). One thing was kind of different, though: With radeonhd the particular problem I am having takes a little bit longer than with the radeon driver, but still occurs (instead of immediately after starting panning an image in EoG, it takes several "passes" for it to happen [anywhere from two to four]), I'll attach the Xorg.0.log of this session anyway, for completeness sake.
Created attachment 319620 [details]
RadeonHD xorg.conf
Well, I tried to disable Option "Accel Method" "EXA" from my xorg.conf and guess what? X stopped hanging or entering any infinite loops. So this indeed relates to EXA, I'll try to report this upstream on their bug tracker, hopefully it'll get some attention from upstream devs.
I also experience the occasional X hangs with the xorg-x11-drv-ati radeon
driver, for
01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]
ssh from another box still works - so the symptom is same as comment 4. I tried debuginfo-install, etc and got all the debuginfo packages, but running
gdb /usr/bin/Xorg <pid> (as root)
gives a strange message abou ptrace not permitted.
If somebody can explain what that gdb message means I can give gdb a try next time it happens...
During the weekend I was able to test a number of distributions and found that the particular problem I was experiencing in Fedora 9 is no longer present in distributions with 1.5.2 XServer (Ubuntu 8.10 and F10
(In reply to comment #20)
> gdb /usr/bin/Xorg <pid> (as root)
> gives a strange message abou ptrace not permitted.
That's SELinux -- run (as root) setenforce 0 before running gdb.
(In reply to comment #22)
Argh, thanks for the SElinux tips. Next time when the x server gets stuck, I will know exactly what to do :-).
Not sure if this is my same problem but a lot of the symptoms seem to be the same. However, I'm running into this problem with both xorg-x11-drv-ati and the vesa driver for Xorg. This laptop is running an ATI Radeon HD3470. When X starts up, the screen fades in from black, but once that's done, the login box is blank and keeps flashing. I'll get my xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log up as soon as I can. Running the Fedora 10 beta x86_64 with a couple updates, including Xorg 1.5.2-10.fc10 and kernel 184.108.40.206-58.fc10.
Created attachment 321862 [details]
VESA xorg.conf
The VESA configured xorg.conf. This is also the file I used to roll back to if graphics problems happened and I couldn't debug immediately.
Created attachment 321863 [details]
New xorg_x11_drv_ati xorg.conf
Customized by looking over this bug before. Exhibits the same symptoms, with the exclusion that it runs at the native res of 1440x900; hardly any use in this situation.
Created attachment 321864 [details]
Xorg's log
My Xorg.0.log. Probably contains information from both the VESA and xorg_x11_drv_ati configurations, as well as from running with no xorg.conf.
Created attachment 321993 [details]
kernel oops message, Xorg.conf, Xorg.0.log tgz'ed
I have managed to debuginfo-install all the required stuff, and do setenforce 0,
and ran gdb on the running process. However, it takes forever at the stage of "Attaching ..." and Xorg still uses 100% of CPU, and gdb never managed to attach completely.
So I kill -9 the xserver, the type "reboot" at the ssh session as root; at which point the kernel oops'ed. (I think it also oops'ed in the past when I tried to reboot from ssh).
So this is the oops message plus a bit and after extracted from my /var/log/message (showing my debuginfo-install as well - so that shows what versions of what is), my xorg.conf - I added the Accel EXA line recently, but the hang is regardless of this line - and also Xorg.0.log.old (the before reboot log, of course).
Oh, I am running a koji kernel, 184.108.40.206-86.fc9.x86_64 . The hardware is (from lspci):
VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]
I think the oops message says that it is stuck in the kernel doing drm stuff - any opnion? I have been eyeing drv-ati-6.9.0 from fc10 for some time now; and it seems to have some relevant stuff. I am a bit reluctant to upgrade *both* the kernel and the bulk of the X for a problem which may or may not be fixed, though...
Well, unfortunately, I have to ask you to upgrade -- there were so many changes in both DRM and userspace drivers (not mentioning numerous changes in Xserver itself), that testing of your old versions don't make much sense.
fair enough... I see quite a few radeon-related changes in rawhide, and some looks relevant. I just like to keep the number of rawhide packages I use to a minimum and only because I need it or am testing something on it - I am using a koji kernel because I am involved with one of the wireless drivers, and having another bleeding-edge piece is going to hurt a little.
I see a 2.6.27.x kernel has just hit f9-candidate, so what are the minimum I need to be up to date without going wholesale rawhide? as far as I can see I need t least 3 pieces, a 2.6.27.x kernel, libdrm* and drv-ati ; anything else?
So I grafted a whole bunch of rawhide rpms onto my fedora 9 system,
and I don't know if I'll get a X server hang yet (it only happens about once
every couple of days), but I am have boot-up problem - without nomodeset, it hangs at the end of the progress bar and never get to the GDM log in screen.
Also, I am observing tears/flickers when the screen scrolls - before and after
the upgrade, but seems more frequent after. So the upgrade has not been good so far.
xorg-x11-server-Xorg-1.5.2-10.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 18:00:13 GMT
xorg-x11-server-common-1.5.2-10.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 18:00:11 GMT
mesa-libGL-devel-7.2-0.13.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 17:37:41 GMT
xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.9.0-38.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 17:37:36 GMT
mesa-libGL-7.2-0.13.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 17:37:36 GMT
kernel-126.96.36.199-69.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 17:37:01 GMT
libdrm-2.4.0-0.21.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 17:36:49 GMT
kernel-devel-126.96.36.199-69.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 17:34:48 GMT
kernel-doc-18.104.22.168-69.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 17:34:02 GMT
libdrm-devel-2.4.0-0.21.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 17:33:22 GMT
kernel-headers-184.108.40.206-69.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 17:33:16 GMT
mkinitrd-6.0.68-1.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 17:33:13 GMT
plymouth-0.6.0-0.2008.10.27.7.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 17:33:11 GMT
plymouth-plugin-solar-0.6.0-0.2008.10.27.7.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 17:33:09 GMT
fedora-logos-10.0.0-2.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 17:32:45 GMT
plymouth-scripts-0.6.0-0.2008.10.27.7.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 17:32:44 GMT
plymouth-plugin-label-0.6.0-0.2008.10.27.7.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 17:32:43 GMT
nash-6.0.68-1.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 17:32:41 GMT
plymouth-libs-0.6.0-0.2008.10.27.7.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 17:32:37 GMT
mesa-libGL-7.2-0.13.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 17:32:36 GMT
mesa-dri-drivers-7.2-0.13.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 17:32:35 GMT
initscripts-8.84-1 Fri 31 Oct 2008 17:32:29 GMT
libdrm-2.4.0-0.21.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 17:32:04 GMT
kernel-firmware-220.127.116.11-69.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 17:24:47 GMT
Okay, further to my previous comment, I have a hang, so the upgrade did not help.
Also, unfortunately with the new kernel, I did not have the wireless-related bleeding-edge update I mentioned, so my ssh session died during debuginfo-install.
All in all, the effort went into upgrade is fruitless, and seems to bring more problem (the more frequent flicker/tear and requires nomodeset) than it solves...
Created attachment 322174 [details]
gdb backtrace while it hungs
okay, I have a gdb backtrace with most of the debug info -
this time it seems to be stuck from ioctl () calling from drmDMA()
calling from RADEONCPGetBuffer(). I was launching firefox recovering a crashed session - i.e. launching a lot of windows at the same time. This may or may not be related - afterall, firefox is one of the most used application.
I have drv-ati, libdrm and kernel from koji, and drv-ati-debuginfo from koji also, and the rest from rawhide, but debuginfo seems to pick up libdrm-debug info from rawhide.
xorg-x11-drv-ati-debuginfo-6.9.0-38.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 19:39:21 GMT
openssl-debuginfo-0.9.8g-9.fc9 Fri 31 Oct 2008 19:38:27 GMT
libpciaccess-debuginfo-0.10.3-2.fc9 Fri 31 Oct 2008 19:38:23 GMT
libdrm-debuginfo-2.4.0-0.21.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 19:38:22 GMT
pixman-debuginfo-0.10.0-1.fc9 Fri 31 Oct 2008 19:38:21 GMT
dbus-debuginfo-1.2.4-1.fc9 Fri 31 Oct 2008 19:38:18 GMT
libselinux-debuginfo-2.0.67-4.fc9 Fri 31 Oct 2008 19:38:15 GMT
audit-debuginfo-1.7.5-1.fc9 Fri 31 Oct 2008 19:38:11 GMT
libXau-debuginfo-1.0.3-5.fc9 Fri 31 Oct 2008 19:38:07 GMT
hal-debuginfo-0.5.11-2.fc9 Fri 31 Oct 2008 19:38:04 GMT
glibc-debuginfo-2.8-8 Fri 31 Oct 2008 19:37:28 GMT
xorg-x11-server-debuginfo-1.5.2-10.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 19:36:48 GMT
libfontenc-debuginfo-1.0.4-5.fc9 Fri 31 Oct 2008 19:36:35 GMT
libXfont-debuginfo-1.3.2-1.fc9 Fri 31 Oct 2008 19:36:31 GMT
libXdmcp-debuginfo-1.0.2-5.fc9 Fri 31 Oct 2008 19:36:27 GMT
This should be useful to somebody...
Created attachment 322189 [details]
another gdb, x server stuck in a differen place.
gdb backtrace with the latest koji (xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.9.0-41 , newer than my
last gdb collected with -38, please note), where the x server shoots up to 100 to 150% CPU (dual core). mouse *movement* still works, but neither clicking nor keyboard works, and also some apps no longer refresh. The way I interprete it as a hang is when the gnome System Monitor applet no longer moves.
I was just opening a bookmark in firefox at the time. (i.e. one broswer window, or maybe another behind).
still booting with nomodeset (without it, my machine won't ever go into GDM).
Created attachment 322195 [details]
gdb backtrace 3
3rd backtrace, yet another one, also while firefox restore sessions.
Created attachment 322196 [details]
gdb backtrace #4
yet another, also while firefox restores session.
Argh, I feel really stupid not reading comment 19 carefully. All 4 of my gdb backtraces involves exa* routines. I think I was confused by comment 4 suggesting
EXA is the way to go, and also that in Xorg.0.log, when XAA (default) is used,
there is a warning and suggestion to use EXA instead - therefore I have been using EXA quite soon (maybe the 2nd reboot, etc after I saw the warning in Xorg.0.log) after I switched from fglrx.
In any case, I have switched back to XAA, and voila, I can restore my firefox sessions, and the flicker and tearing is gone.
So - can somebody either fix EXA (based on the gdb backtrace) or remove the XAA-related warning in the Xorg.0.log? It is embarrassing that
"(II) RADEON(0): XAA Render acceleration unsupported on Radeon 9500/9700 and newer. Please use EXA instead."
unsupported acceleration works better than supported one...
Anyway, I'll wait and see if I ever get a hang with XAA. It is a bit stupid that I had EXA enabled very soon after I switched from fglrx, based on that message in Xorg.0.log.
I can reproduce this with no xorg.conf on Fedora 10. This is with nomodeset on the kernel command line (I can't boot at all without that). Reproducing takes about five seconds of anything in KDE (even opening Konsole). Switching to XAA seems to fix it.
killall -9 X doesn't kill X when this happens.
I got dmesg after a hang with drm debug=1 and radeon dynclks=0:
[drm:radeon_do_wait_for_fifo] wait for fifo failed status : 0x9003C100 0x00080100
[drm:drm_ioctl] ret = fffffff0
[drm:drm_ioctl] pid=2749, cmd=0x6444, nr=0x44, dev 0xe200, auth=1
[drm:radeon_do_wait_for_fifo] wait for fifo failed status : 0x9003C100 0x00080100
[drm:drm_ioctl] ret = fffffff0
[drm:drm_ioctl] pid=2749, cmd=0x6444, nr=0x44, dev 0xe200, auth=1
[drm:radeon_do_wait_for_fifo] wait for fifo failed status : 0x9003C100 0x00080100
[drm:drm_ioctl] ret = fffffff0
[drm:drm_ioctl] pid=2749, cmd=0x6444, nr=0x44, dev 0xe200, auth=1
[drm:radeon_do_wait_for_fifo] wait for fifo failed status : 0x9003C100 0x00080100
[drm:drm_ioctl] ret = fffffff0
[drm:drm_ioctl] pid=2749, cmd=0x6444, nr=0x44, dev 0xe200, auth=1
[drm:radeon_do_wait_for_fifo] wait for fifo failed status : 0x9003C100 0x00080100
[drm:drm_ioctl] ret = fffffff0
[drm:drm_ioctl] pid=2749, cmd=0x6444, nr=0x44, dev 0xe200, auth=1
[drm:radeon_do_wait_for_fifo] wait for fifo failed status : 0x9003C100 0x00080100
[drm:drm_ioctl] ret = fffffff0
[drm:drm_ioctl] pid=2749, cmd=0x6444, nr=0x44, dev 0xe200, auth=1
[drm:radeon_do_wait_for_fifo] wait for fifo failed status : 0x9003C100 0x00080100
[drm:drm_ioctl] ret = fffffff0
[drm:drm_ioctl] pid=2749, cmd=0x6444, nr=0x44, dev 0xe200, auth=1
[drm:radeon_do_wait_for_fifo] wait for fifo failed status : 0x9003C100 0x00080100
[drm:drm_ioctl] ret = fffffff0
[drm:drm_ioctl] pid=2749, cmd=0x6444, nr=0x44, dev 0xe200, auth=1
and lots more.
My package versions are:
lspci says:
01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon 2100 (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Device d000
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
Latency: 32, Cache Line Size: 4 bytes
Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 18
Region 0: Memory at d8000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M]
Region 2: Memory at fdef0000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
Region 4: I/O ports at ee00 [size=256]
Region 5: Memory at fdd00000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1M]
Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2
Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1+ D2+ AuxCurrent=0mA PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot-,D3cold-)
Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-
Capabilities: [80] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit+ Count=1/1 Enable-
Address: 0000000000000000 Data: 0000
Kernel modules: radeon
00: 02 10 6e 79 07 00 10 00 00 00 00 03 01 20 00 00
10: 0c 00 00 d8 00 00 00 00 04 00 ef fd 00 00 00 00
20: 01 ee 00 00 00 00 d0 fd 00 00 00 00 58 14 00 d0
30: 00 00 00 00 50 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0a 01 00 00
40: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 58 14 00 d0
50: 01 80 02 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
60: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
70: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
80: 05 00 80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
a0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
b0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
c0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
d0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
e0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
f0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Created attachment 322470 [details]
gdb backtrace of my first hang under XAA
since switching to XAA, this is my first hang, so I have to say XAA seems to work better...
I had a kernel upgrade since, and these are the relevant parts:
kernel-18.104.22.168-73.fc10 Mon 03 Nov 2008 21:30:27 GMT
kernel-headers-22.214.171.124-73.fc10 Mon 03 Nov 2008 21:30:09 GMT
kernel-devel-18.104.22.168-73.fc10 Mon 03 Nov 2008 21:25:27 GMT
kernel-doc-126.96.36.199-73.fc10 Mon 03 Nov 2008 21:22:41 GMT
kernel-firmware-22.214.171.124-73.fc10 Mon 03 Nov 2008 21:21:57 GMT
xorg-x11-drv-ati-debuginfo-6.9.0-41.fc10 Sat 01 Nov 2008 21:21:31 GMT
xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.9.0-41.fc10 Sat 01 Nov 2008 21:21:12 GMT
xorg-x11-server-Xorg-1.5.2-10.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 18:00:13 GMT
xorg-x11-server-common-1.5.2-10.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 18:00:11 GMT
libdrm-2.4.0-0.21.fc10 Fri 31 Oct 2008 17:36:49 GMT
kernel 184.108.40.206-73.fc10.x86_64
I'm having the same problem with Intel G45 X4500HD. Xorg.0.log shows:
[mi] EQ overflowing. The server is probably stuck in an infinite loop.
0: /usr/bin/Xorg(xorg_backtrace+0x26) [0x4e7746]
1: /usr/bin/Xorg(mieqEnqueue+0x291) [0x4c82b1]
2: /usr/bin/Xorg(xf86PostMotionEventP+0xc4) [0x490be4]
3: /usr/bin/Xorg(xf86PostMotionEvent+0xa9) [0x490db9]
4: /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input//evdev_drv.so [0x1445126]
5: /usr/bin/Xorg [0x47d495]
6: /usr/bin/Xorg [0x468f67]
7: /lib64/libc.so.6 [0x312b033100]
8: /lib64/libc.so.6(ioctl+0x7) [0x312b0de207]
9: /usr/lib64/libdrm.so.2 [0x3142e03023]
10: /usr/lib64/libdrm.so.2(drmWaitVBlank+0x20) [0x3142e036c0]
11: /usr/lib64/dri/i965_dri.so [0x61fd092]
12: /usr/lib64/dri/i965_dri.so(driWaitForVBlank+0xcb) [0x61fd293]
13: /usr/lib64/dri/i965_dri.so(intelSwapBuffers+0x23f) [0x6202d7a]
14: /usr/lib64/dri/i965_dri.so [0x61fd3d6]
15: /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so [0xc0572f]
16: /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so [0xbf9656]
17: /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so [0xbfc8f2]
18: /usr/bin/Xorg(Dispatch+0x364) [0x446894]
19: /usr/bin/Xorg(main+0x45d) [0x42ccdd]
20: /lib64/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xe6) [0x312b01e546]
21: /usr/bin/Xorg [0x42c0b9]
[mi] mieqEnequeue: out-of-order valuator event; dropping.
[mi] EQ overflowing. The server is probably stuck in an infinite loop.
I'm getting the same thing now on F9 fully up-to-date with current packages. The X server hangs with 100% CPU and I see those [mi] messages in the X log. gdb never seems to be able to attach to the process. But I can ssh in and reboot the computer. I have an on-board RS690.
Created attachment 323173 [details]
another gdb strace under XAA, with more recent drv-ati
This is very similiar to attachment 322470 [details] , comment 39, except I am using a more recent kernel-18.104.22.168-92.fc10 and xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.9.0-44.fc10 from koji.
Despite the log entries of both kernel-126.96.36.199-92.fc10 and
xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.9.0-44.fc10 saying some work has gone into redeon-modesetting,
it is still not working reliably... while the frequency of hang since I switch
to XAA has drammatically drop (only once a few days now, unlike under EXA which can be as frequent as a few times per day), it is nonetheless frustrating to have a hang and having to find a different machine to ssh in to run gdb and reboot it...
This is definitely a problem within xorg-XServer 126.96.36.199 rather than the driver. I've switched to rawhide and with XServer 1.5.2 and Xorg-drv-ati 6.9.0 things are working now much, MUCH better, EXA no longer freezes the computer. To rule-out any Fedora specific changes, I did build from source Xorg-drv-ati straight from the release tarball, just as I did previously in Fedora 9, but with XServer 1.5.2 instead. It was already suggested to me in the Xorg bugzilla that this problem might be a regression introduced in some patch to Xorg from Fedora, which lead me to try with a more recent XServer, I don't know if XServer 1.5.2 from F10 will ever cascade down to F9, or if the offending bits will be removed from it (problem being identifying such bits).
I am already using xserver 1.5.2 from rawhide/f10. (see my previous post about specific partial upgrades).
# rpm -qa | grep -i x11-server
In any case, this issue and the modeset boot-hang problem (which is not related but also to do with changes introduced to interaction with display hardware) needs to be addresses before f10, I think.
Created attachment 323420 [details]
xorg log, showing a backtrace under kernel 22.214.171.124-101.fc10.x86_64
A new regression with kernel 184.108.40.206-101.fc10.x86_64 from koji. X server backtraces while trying to start.
With nomodeset (won't boot without), boot to the point where GDM tries to start but one only gets the blue star background plus the battery icon - no other GDM session stuff, and no log-in box. Mouse pointer still moves very slowly. Since there is no log-in box, and no GDM reboot buttons, etc, and networking isn't functional yet (no network manager), one has to power-cycle the box. Tried it twice.
booting and older kernel 126.96.36.199-94.fc10.x86_64 - get around this. So it looks like one of these three changes is sh*t:
* Wed Nov 12 2008 Dave Airlie <firstname.lastname@example.com> 18.104.22.168-101
- drm/intel: further interrupt fixes
* Tue Nov 11 2008 Chuck Ebbert <firstname.lastname@example.com> 18.104.22.168-100
- Check for additional ATI chipset timer bugs (#470939, #470723)
* Tue Nov 11 2008 Dave Airlie <email@example.com> 126.96.36.199-99
- drm rebase patches against latest upstream tree.
I had similar problems with -101; getting black screens after plymouth as gdm was about to start. I'd have to reboot multiple times before it worked. Dropped back to -100, and it's working again. That makes the only change in -101 the culprit:
* Wed Nov 12 2008 Dave Airlie <firstname.lastname@example.com> 126.96.36.199-101
- drm/intel: further interrupt fixes
I'm on a Supermicro C2SEA motherboard, G45 X4500HD.
I am on a toshiba laptop with
ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series].
To be honest I am a bit disappointed with the lack of progress with the nomodeset issue and this hang issue - consider how important either is, and consider how close fedora 10's supposed release date (10 days?) now - with the nomodeset flag, all the boot-up eye-candy is gone and worse than pre-plymonth-time and back to win 3.1 level, and this hang (particularly the latest which affects GDM) make long-session X usage rather hazzardous.
I am hoping to try out koji as often as possible, and I hope this get fixed before fc10 is released.
I'm really starting to wonder where this problem lies, is it in Xorg, or the driver? I lean towards a problem in Xorg since this happens with either Xorg-ati-drv or Xorg-radeonhd-drv, and even though both share quite a bit of code (in fact DRI support for R500 in the radeonhd driver is imported straight from the ati driver). Is there a way to check this against an unpatched version of the XServer? Maybe the focus should be to try to determine where the regression occurred.
this bug is a bit all over the place, 48 comments and nothing on?
Please try -104 when it finished to fix any regression since -94.
However can the ati person open a new bug so this remains the intel persons bug. X hanging isn't always the same reason, and certainly not when using different hw.
(In reply to comment #49)
> this bug is a bit all over the place, 48 comments and nothing on?
> Please try -104 when it finished to fix any regression since -94.
> However can the ati person open a new bug so this remains the intel persons
> bug. X hanging isn't always the same reason, and certainly not when using
> different hw.
I'll give -104 a try when it finishes building. Is there a mistake somewhere - the original poster listed drv-ati in his report, and explicitly using "radeon" in his xorg.conf in comment 3... and even the compoent part of the bug report itself say "ati-drv" - I thought this is the drv-ati/radeon bug entry,
- i.e. intel or even radeonhd users should go elsewhere?
Perhaps I was being a bit harsh in comment 47. This seems to be a driver <-> kernel-drm interaction problem, which is difficult to debug. About 1/4 of the 48 comments are mine, but half of mine are detailed gdb backtraces including debugging line-numbers with various koji builds, and should be useful...
(In reply to comment #49)
> this bug is a bit all over the place, 48 comments and nothing on?
> Please try -104 when it finished to fix any regression since -94.
> However can the ati person open a new bug so this remains the intel persons
> bug. X hanging isn't always the same reason, and certainly not when using
> different hw.
I thought the Bug reporter was using ATi hardware? Certainly the packages stated at the beginning of the bug report clearly state ATi hardware (Xorg modules r128 [for Rage 128, I assume] and ati 6.9.0 are listed), so when did this become an Intel-related bug?
ah the bug just got messy in the middle then.
okay so its an ati problem on an r500. So G45 people go to another bug. ATI people stay.
However the bug is now impossible to follow, so I've no idea what people are important to considered it fixed or how I can close it ever.
In any case -104 should fix one bunch of dumb regressions, and I'm hoping to push some more fixes in for -ati before GA.
Ok, so let me get this straight, kernel -104 contains a number of regression fixes that may be relevant to the people experiencing this problem (ATi hardware)?
Will try with it and do some more testing then report back either success or failure. In my experience, however, since I "updated to rawhide" a few weeks ago, I have not seen this particular issue as frequently as it used to be (if anything has happened to me on counted occasions), but it does still happen (especially with composite enabled, EXA and has been reproducible with Cairo-dock).
I think only comment 40 and comment 46 (same person) has intel hardware, but comment 46 is relevant...
The way I see the *summary* of this bug is relatively simple - most people using rawhide have the occasional symptom of mouse movement still works but nothing GUI else, but ssh from outside still works; same with f9 (I was one of them but I have upgraded). At least two of us found that switching over from EXA to XAA helped substantially; I have provided a few gdb backtraces with line numbers against koji builds, under both EXA and XAA. The backtrace shows that the stuck happens when trying to copy data buffer between userland and kernel through drm's ioctl. Under EXA, I can quite reliably trigger it by restoring a firefox session with a dozen widows totally 100+ tabs.
If I were more familiar with how the X server works (which unfortunately I am not, but I am reasonably competent with "general debugging") and its code base, this is how I would try to fix this:
- the X server should give up and go back to unaccelerated mode after a certain number of unsuccessful tries of copying data through the kernel, rather than keep hammering the kernel repeatedly and quickly;
- drm retries should have a sleep/pause occasionally to let other human-interface events such as switching VT by key strokes through; so that it is possible to reset the X server with ctrl-alt-backspace or ctrl-alt-f<n> reboot
when everything fails...
- the kernel drm should process ioctl correctly, check parameters, and quickly; if there is anything wrong with the incoming ioctl, emit some debug info through dmesg for debugging. I know there is "modprobe drm debug=1", but that's not useful because most people let the Xserver do the modprobe and never have debug on, until the problem happens... so *some* of what debug=1 does should be the default until this is fixed...
Does this sound like a reasonable plan?
The way you describe this, and the way this problem is presenting (seems to occur on more hardware than the one pertaining this bug) it would seem as if the XServer and DRM API were clashing at some point (that's the way I understand what you are saying). So if I understand correctly this problem *seems* to be the XServer pushing data through the DRM module, and when the DRM module cannot react to these XServer petitions, the XServer simply keeps on hammering the DRM module, rendering all I/O to a halt, is that some how it? If so, this seems to be clearly an upstream problem, the issue is "whose?". The only thing I can think of on Fedora that might be different from other systems that I've tested (with Xorg 7.4/ati drv 6.9.0) are patches to both the XServer and kernel (involving DRM)... Does this sound like a reasonable "conclusion"?
(In reply to comment #55)
I have done a bit of homework some weeks ago and AFAIK, unfortunately, there is no "upstream". Dave Airlie, the assignee of this bug, is also a substantial contributor to drv-ati and kernel drm . ( See:
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~airlied/drm/log/ )
So nobody should be making any comments about patches being rawhide-specific, because it is simply that changes land in rawhide *first*, and he
should be one of the most qualified people to deal with this.
I didn't mean the comment to sound like I was placing the "blame" on anyone, rather that I was following what was suggested in the Xrog tracker (where I also posted this bug), and IIRC it was Alex Deucher who suggested that the root of the problem *could* be a regression in Fedora's XServer (maybe due to a patch). I know many of the Fedora developers are alos "upstream" developers, which means that a LOT of changes land first (than any other distribution) in Fedora's Rawhide. I apologize if my comment somehow sounded like I was "seeking a culprit", I was not, rather following leads.
Created attachment 323671 [details]
gdb backtrace with kernel-18.104.22.168-104 and XAA ati-6.9.0-44
-104 indeed fixes the -101 regression. Thanks.
I have another hang with -104. I also noticed that where the X server got stuck is a little different (still drm/ioctl-related). So hope this new info is useful.
I ran gdb three times to see if
the x server is merely cycling through a few states very fast, and so this show three. (and seems to be identical). This is still with 6.9.0-44. I just upgraded to 6.9.0-46 before rebooting (I suppose I'll look for a koji upgrade whenever I have a hang, just hoping it will go away eventually).
Can you test the 113 kernel available at http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/kernel/18.104.22.168/113.fc10/?
Changing bug summary to be a bit more specific, following airlied's lead from
comment #52.
(In reply to comment #58)
> I have another hang with -104. I also noticed that where the X server got stuck
> is a little different (still drm/ioctl-related). So hope this new info is
> useful.
You said "another hang with -104" - when does your system hang? How do you know
the other regression is fixed if it's still hanging at startup?
(In reply to comment #60)
> You said "another hang with -104" - when does your system hang? How do you know
> the other regression is fixed if it's still hanging at startup?
I meant that the specific regression with -101 (GDM won't start) is gone, but -104 still have the the general problem with the older -94/-91 releases, namely
once in a while, mouse movement still works but clicking has no effect, ssh inwards works and Xorg consumes 100% CPU and is found to be in drm/ioctl routines. (the specific code location seem to be slightly different). Sorry about the imprecise wording.
Okay, so we've fixed the "X hang at startup" problem, which was the original bug report here. I'd suggest we close this bug now, but there's a lot of good debugging info, so I'm just changing the subject of the bug to reflect the current status.
So now we're back on "EQ overflowing. The server is probably stuck in an infinite loop.", as seen in numerous other bugs - bug 444449 (i945 / Radeon M6 LY), bug 464866 (i945), etc. Specifically with r500 chips. Right?
Does this happen randomly, or only when running compiz / switching terminals / resuming from suspend / etc?
Even the initial report wasn't about "hang at start-up" - it is about mouse-pointer moving but no click actions "right after login-in". (which in real terms is quite a lot further after X server starts).
My "EQ overflowing" tends to happen when I am doing something with firefox (maybe it is just because it is a frequently used application), e.g. scrolling or switching tabs, or when dragging gnome-terminal windows around. I have an RS690M (X1200) - I read somewhere that RS690M is technically an r300 rather than a r500/r600. (very confusing).
I can think of one way where the initial poster's report fits into the later pattern: if the initial poster has his session preference configured to automatically restore favourite applications, and one of them is firefox, for example.
I have an RS690 and the problem was occurring on facebook with selecting someone to send a message to, where it pops up a list. This is consistent with all other hangs I've had where it's been something overlaid that fades in (or possibly out). In the past it's been compiz, but in this case, there was no compiz involved.
can you try the latest X server? 1.5.3-5 is in koji.
I've fixed some dodgy EXA paths that affect radeon
(In reply to comment #65)
> can you try the latest X server? 1.5.3-5 is in koji.
> I've fixed some dodgy EXA paths that affect radeon
Yes, EXA seems to work a bit better now.
kernel-22.214.171.124-113.fc10 Mon 17 Nov 2008 21:40:42 GMT
xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.9.0-48.fc10 Mon 17 Nov 2008 21:38:30 GMT
xorg-x11-server-Xorg-1.5.3-5.fc10 Mon 17 Nov 2008 21:38:21 GMT
xorg-x11-server-common-1.5.3-5.fc10 Mon 17 Nov 2008 21:38:19 GMT
(In reply to comment #66)
> Yes, EXA seems to work a bit better now.
Ehm, sorry, "a bit better"? Is this bug fixed or not?
(In reply to comment #67)
> (In reply to comment #66)
> > Yes, EXA seems to work a bit better now.
> Ehm, sorry, "a bit better"? Is this bug fixed or not?
Under EXA, scrolling gnome-terminals shows tearing (which isn't visible with XAA).
Probably unrelated.
The thing is, nobody has a "reliable" way of getting "EQ overflowing". Unless somebody comes along with an identification of where/how that can happen in code paths, we'll just have to wait and see...
BTW, I have just got onto drv-ati-6.9.0-51.fc10 and kernel-22.214.171.124-113.fc10 .
(and will continue to look at koji). If I get a "EQ overflowing", you will hear from me...
We believe that the problems reported by the original poster of this bug have been fixed with the latest X server. If you have other specific problems, please file those as new bug reports.
X dose not hang still now. But the ati drivers still have two problems.
1. Like Hin-Tak Leung said: scrolling gnome-terminals shows tearing
2. When compiz is running, X server will be very slow, and the shadow around the window can not be displayed correctly.
Version of kernel & ati driver:
Created attachment 323992 [details]
Screenshot with compiz
Created attachment 324005 [details]
another gdb backtrace - sorry, it hung...
Sorry guys, can somebody re-open the bug?
It hung with the latest(?), and here is the gdb back strace. Still stuck at drm/ioctl so I say it is the same bug. Please re-open.
xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.9.0-51.fc10 Tue 18 Nov 2008 12:22:18 GMT
kernel-126.96.36.199-116.fc10 Tue 18 Nov 2008 12:21:38 GMT
xorg-x11-server-Xorg-1.5.3-5.fc10 Mon 17 Nov 2008 21:38:21 GMT
This time I was re-positioning a gnome-terminal window when it happened. (firefox at the back but it basically is there most of the time anyway).
I see kernel-18.104.22.168-120.fc10, xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.9.0-54.fc10 are out in koji in the last few hours... so I'll upgrade, I guess.
Created attachment 324080 [details]
another gdb backtrace under kernel-18.104.22.168-120.fc10, xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.9.0-54.fc10
So I have upgraded to even more latest kernel drm and drv-ati since I posted attachement 324005; and have another one of those "mouse moves but nothing else"
moments with kernel-18.104.22.168-120.fc10, xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.9.0-54.fc10 .
This time it happened while I was dragging a view-page-source-window of firefox
This an XAA backtrace.... so you are booting with nomodeset and XAA accel?
so not the same problem at all. open a new bug clearly stating nomodeset + XAA
(In reply to comment #74)
> This an XAA backtrace.... so you are booting with nomodeset and XAA accel?
> so not the same problem at all. open a new bug clearly stating nomodeset + XAA
Both are correct - I have tried removing nomodeset every time I reboot to a new koji kernel. So far, every one of them hangs at the end of the blue-start backgrounded progress bar just before the X server starts. Is removing nomodeset supposed to work now? It isn't.
As for XAA... I am sorry, but the tearing while scrolling under EXA is very unsighty. I'll be happy to switch to EXA for general use (or general debugging, for that matter) if the tearing goes away... besides, the last time I checked, XAA is the default (i.e. if neither is specified in xorg.conf) despite it subsequently emits a warning in Xorg.0.log. So at the possible risk of either getting stuck, I would opt for XAA instead of EXA, just because it works better. (despite it saying "unsuported"). What I mean is, EXA is supported but no-good. :-(.
This is a bit curious - according to xorg.conf in comment 2, the original poster did not specify an Accel method, so I would have thought XAA is used, but his log shows EXA.
okay, so I have removed Accel from xorg.conf and rebooted. The default is EXA now, so I'll let it run that way until it get stucks(!). Still needs nomodeset to boot.
The tearing on scroll is quite noticeable - e.g. with the default blue background, start one gnome-terminal, run dmesg to have some text, then scroll back with the scroll-bar. (same tearing happens for firefox as well). Also there are occasional flicker, from what looks like windows moving side-ways by a few pixels and back? - so EXA seems buggy. (neither the tearing nor flicker happen under XAA).
I'll fill a separate bug with XAA then...
I just found a "reliable" way of seeing the flicker - moving the mouse pointer quickly up-and-down across the bottom edge of the comment text-box! (saw it when I move the mouse just before pressing "commit").
Created attachment 324210 [details]
gdb backtrace when xserver stop responding with EXA and latest drv_ati, etc
Please re-open bug. This is another "mouse movement still works, 100% CPU" instance with the latest everthing, under EXA. See gdb backtrace. The versions are below:
Created attachment 324216 [details]
gdb backtrace, 2nd stuck with EXA within a few hours.
This is the backtrace of another stuck within a few hours of the earlier, both under EXA.
Please re-open bug.
I am sorry, EXA just seems rather worse than XAA, so I am switching back.
Recently the nomodeset situation seems to have changed, so I tried various
combinations. There is no winners, and each of them all have their own
radeon + EXA: tearing while scrolling, and most recently, font/screen
corruption when firefox is used. (bug 473815)
radeon + XAA: need to boot with nomodeset, or it goes into a black screen
instead of GDM. (bug 464896 ?)
radeonhd : no xvideo (bug 473819)
For general use, radeon + XAA is the best at the moment.
(RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series])


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