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As if we didn't have enough to worry about with the draft approaching and the servers exploding, the Eagles and cornerback Sheldon Brown continue to do battle over Brown's contract, which has four years remaining.
And Brown is trying to drag some of his teammates into the fray.
"Without a doubt there are going to be more problems," Brown said, according to Bob Brookover of the Philadelphia Inquirer. "I'm not the first guy and I'm not going to be the last guy. What's the incentive for guys like Trent Cole and Mike Patterson to play above their heads? Everybody's situation is different and everybody handles their business in a different way. This situation could have been handled in a different way. I was forced to put it out there."
The rest of Brookover's article contains a lengthy back-and-forth between Brown and Eagles president Joe Banner.
The bulk of the dispute? Whether it's about the money. Brown says it isn't. Banner says it is.
"I saw that Sheldon said this wasn't about the money, but I think it has always been about the money," Banner said. "We've asked the agent if there was anything else we could do for Sheldon and we were always told it was about the money. I'd love to hear what it is about if it's not about that."
We'll defer further analysis of the dynamics of the situation to one of the PFTV segments we'll be shooting later today. For now, though, we'll leave you with this observation.
On the surface, it's about the money. At a deeper level, it's about the respect Sheldon Brown commands in the locker room, where the size of everything matters.
Dispute Between Sheldon Brown And The Eagles Escalates
As if we didn't have enough to worry about with the draft approaching and the servers exploding, the Eagles and cornerback Sheldon Brown continue to do battle over Brown's contract, which has four years remaining.
EverybodyGotAIDS says: Apr 22, 2009 9:27 AM
"It's not about the money….it's about the RESPECT"
"So how can we show you more respect?"
"…give me more money."
DirtyBirds06 says: Apr 22, 2009 9:31 AM
If it isn't one thing it's another! C'mon Sheldon, let's make this run at a championship and play team ball. Solidify your greatness on the field and you'll be duly compensated.
cobrala says: Apr 22, 2009 9:32 AM
As an Eagles fan I'm disappointed with both sides.
HelmetKing says: Apr 22, 2009 9:32 AM
All of these disgruntled Eagles players have two things in common, hungry wallets and no rings.
jkidd49 says: Apr 22, 2009 9:33 AM
This is the same sheldon brown who came out and questioned why lito sheppard would make his contract problems so public… Such a hypocrite. You and your agent screwed the pooch by taking that long term deal so live with the consequences.
cowhorn says: Apr 22, 2009 9:35 AM
I love it. This is what the Bills have been dealing with, with Peters. The eagles had no problem sweeping in and paying him. I hope the entire eagles roster wants to renegotiate their contracts. The eagles front office has shown they are willing to do it with Peters, why not with the other players playing above their contracts.
bweav44 says: Apr 22, 2009 9:36 AM
Hey Sheldon, I think I'm underpaid at my job too but you know what happens if I act like a peckerhead everyday…..they can me.
Message to all these D-bag players that are upset that the contracts they signed two years ago aren't top dollar today……..suck it up and be a professional. Do your stinking job and shut your mouth and honor your decisions.
Some of these players think the rules of society don't apply to them. Grow up, that's what men have to do.
Matt Hoover says: Apr 22, 2009 9:36 AM
This is the problem with teams that give out big-money contracts to free agents before resigning their own to fair market deals. How do you expect a guy who you drafted and is committed to you to play for half of what you're paying the guy across from him with comparable skills? It's a bad way to manage a football team. This is the Anquan Boldin principle and it's completely understandable.
rizzo says: Apr 22, 2009 9:37 AM
you know what sheldon screw you. you signed a very lucrative deal at the time in november of 2004. at that time you were a starter for a half of season. they gave you 7.5 million guarunteed and 30 mill total. for a cb that hadnt proved anything and was only half way through his first season as a starter..id say thats a pretty damn good deal and apparently so did YOU! now you want to call out the fans for criticizing you and name teammates, etc. I think the eagles f.o. is classless but honestly i hope they sign a vet like bly or lucas, draft a cb early and they give your ass the lito sheppard treatment until your "unfair contract" is done! How is giving you a contract like they did with your experience treating you like a "red headed stepchild" ? Shut the hell up and play!!!!
psj3809 says: Apr 22, 2009 9:39 AM
These players dont make a sound when they get paid a lot of money and dont perform. The minute they outperform their salary they want more and more despite signing the contract.
If theyre getting paid 8 mill and have a bad year does the player ever offer to give some of the bonus back etc ? Nope. They only restructure their contract as theres a good chance they'll be cut after a poor year.
Works both ways. Sheldon Brown wouldnt say a word if he was getting paid good money last year and had a poor season
smegaman says: Apr 22, 2009 9:41 AM
I get it….Browns not happy b/c there are othe DB's on the team making more to him and he feel like now that Dawks gone he is the leader of the back field.
Hey guess what buddy….just b/c there's guys that are making a lager salary for this season then you doesn't make you any less of a leader. By going public, complaining about money (b/c in the end that's what will make you happy), and throwing your teammates into the mix (saying Trent Cole and Mike Patterson are not going to play as hard) is what make people loose respect and not see you as a leader.
Out of all the years Dawk was here I don't recall him once complaining about money.
Be a leader Sheldon and wake up!
PhillyFan Since 85 says: Apr 22, 2009 9:42 AM
I don't know what bothers me more. A player such as Sheldon who signs a long-term deal and with 3 years left decides he doesn't like his contract anymore. Or is it the fact that the Eagles cannot go one offseason without a player being unhappy about his contract situation and takes it to the media.
Florio, can you do some research and find out how many players under contract with Eagles and Joe Banner running the show, have been unhappy about with their contract.
jamesage says: Apr 22, 2009 9:42 AM
Oh snap. That ain't good!
wydok says: Apr 22, 2009 9:43 AM
Shut up and play, Sheldon.
You know his didn't work out for T.O.. What makes you any different?
You signed the contract. Your agent said it was a good deal at the time.
polevault1543 says: Apr 22, 2009 9:44 AM
Yea if you read the article, Banner says that that Sheldon was given the contract with the signing bonus to guarantee him money regardless of health which was a big concern in that draft class. And then Sheldon confirms that all other d-backs from that draft year are out of the league already, confirming Banner's point lol. He's not even the #1 corner on our team and only had 1 pick last year! What a dumbass I really hope he doesnt drag other guys like patterson and cole in this….
jaybatt79 says: Apr 22, 2009 9:44 AM
The Eagles should have had a plan in place to address this situation when they decided to pay an undrafted nickel cornerback more money than Sheldon. Even though Sheldon is under a contract he agreed to you can't expect him to be OK with this. I agreed to my salary at my job, but if they hired someone less-qualified to do the same thing part time for more money, I'd demand a raise. Who wouldn't?
inmymind says: Apr 22, 2009 9:45 AM
Trade the little prick to CIncy for Chad Johnson
tmfitz says: Apr 22, 2009 9:52 AM
Sheldon is a smart guy, he knows how and when to through a wrench in things. That being said, have a nice time on the bench, or maybe out in Denver with that other "Not about the money" d-face!! If it was about the "respect" then you would realize you HAD the respect of the fans, before you opened you mouth. Seriously Sheldon, you PLAY football for a living. Invest your millions that YOU signed a contract for, and SHUT UP. You're dead to me Brown.
Heinekenfun says: Apr 22, 2009 9:53 AM
Let's see what kind of job and salary Sheldon Brown would have if he wasn't playing football. My guess is, it would be about $35K selling shoes at FootLocker, so yeah…, it's about the money.
mjacks44 says: Apr 22, 2009 9:55 AM
Sheldon has no leverage. He's an above average corner that lacks speed and athletic ability. He should probably be playing safety but is undersized for that position. If they cut him, he would not get much on the open market and probably be a nickel for most teams being that he's almost 30 now.
Philly likes to throw big bonuses at players at a young age and give them low yearly salaries to look good under the cap. Years after the contract is signed, players forget that big pay day and cannot except the yearly salary they make.
If Sheldon thinks he's getting paid he's crazy, how many players have the Eagles payed when they cry out. Westbrook is one of the only players that comes to mind. Most are cut or traded and than two to three years later they end up back with the Eagles. Trotter, Hugh Douglas, AJ Feeley, and soon to be Dawkins. He will be terrible in any other defense because of his deteriating cover skills and will want to comeback and finish his career an Eagles.
lee says: Apr 22, 2009 9:56 AM
4 years left on a contract.
how stupid is Sheldon Brown?
not being a Iggles fan i gotta side with Joe Banner this time
if you signed a deal and you have 4 years left. STFU and play
Sheldon Brown.
and dont make yourself appear even less manly by dragging teammates into
your sad little episode.
STFU and play some corner. try covering someone sometimes and maybe they
will revisit it with 2 yrs left on your deal.
Heres hoping that he holds out during training camp and he gets fined the MAX every day he misses.
They gave you financial security FOR LIFE when you were really just a kid.
show them you are worth it instead of making them regret it
PatrickD29 says: Apr 22, 2009 9:59 AM
Wow . . . when will some of these players learn. Do players really not pay attention when these things have happened in the past? The Eagles have been down this road before, and with players as good if not better than Sheldon Brown. They will not renegotiate the contract. Maybe someone (his agent, cough cough . . . or his teammates, cough cough) should give him a history lesson about the players who have pulled this before and not gotten what they wanted.
Furthermore, way to make comments to Philly fans have piss off an entire city. I'm reading that article i'm reminded of Ricky Waters' infamous "For who? For What?" Yea, the fans are gonna be real excited and pulling for him to get a new deal after those comments about not caring about what people think. Shut-up, play football, win games, make the playoffs, and Philadelphia will love you forever.
doctor diggs says: Apr 22, 2009 9:59 AM
I am getting so tired of this crap. I would do anything to wear midnight green and there are these ignorant pieces of garbage running their mouths because they want a little more money to piss away. These guys can't get their life together and put their salary in laddered bond portfolios so they never have to work again. If I could play one season with a torn ACL just to get my 3 million, I would be happy.
giants33 says: Apr 22, 2009 10:03 AM
The Eagles organization has handled this really unprofessionally. If they believe that Brown is acting out over money, they should have taken the higher ground instead of taking shots at him through the media. Stupid.
This is exactly why they don't have and never will have a Superbowl. FAIL. Say hello to 6-10 next year.
Andy_Reid says: Apr 22, 2009 10:03 AM
@ jaybatt79,
Yeah, you're right about paying Joselio Hanson more than Brown…
So what the Eagles should do is start Joselio opposite Assante and bench Brown's ass!
bradyisgod says: Apr 22, 2009 10:04 AM
How could Eagles management ever have forseen that the yearly signing of players, whose only motivation was to be the highest paid player at their position, would cause the present "good soldiers" to question their own value. Smells like Joe and the Fat Man stepped in a big pile of poo.
sodapop says: Apr 22, 2009 10:04 AM
I was always a bigger fan on sheldon than lito, but, he's starting to piss me off. Who asks for a new contract with five years (he started asking last year) left? Another rich football player, who was lovin' the deal when he received the security in his guaranteed bonus, but, after playing a quarter of the contract, wants more.
jschnepf5 says: Apr 22, 2009 10:05 AM
As a lifelong diehard eagles fan, heres a big middle finger to you Sheldon. If it's "just business" why don't you and all the other cry-babies in the NFL act like you know it's a business and honor your contract. I hope the Birds stick it to him, hard….
Andy_Reid says: Apr 22, 2009 10:05 AM
Did anyone notice the pic that the paper ran next to Bob Brookover's story??? It's a pic of Fitzgerald catching a TD pass (with Sheldon Brown trailing two steps behind) in the NFC Championship game.
Great pic choice for the article! Love it.
TheDPR says: Apr 22, 2009 10:07 AM
I used to like Sheldon Brown.
Wrathchild says: Apr 22, 2009 10:08 AM
"What's the incentive for guys like Trent Cole and Mike Patterson to play above their heads? "
Um, because it's your job and you're supposed to be a professional.
bwnyc says: Apr 22, 2009 10:11 AM
Hanson signed to a long-term deal. Ikegwuono is coming in and looking good. They've been bringing in CB's all offseason. Sheldon Brown knows the writing is on the wall and he's out of Philly in the next season or two, and he wants to grab what money he can while he's still useful. Smart business move, but come on, it's not about the money? Give me a break.
cowhorn says: Apr 22, 2009 10:13 AM
Where were all these hypocritical eagles fans last week. All this crap was said by bills fans about peters. Loving it. I am thinking of starting a pool as to what week eagle fans stop talking about the super bowl and start hating on McNabb.
spoonman says: Apr 22, 2009 10:19 AM
Freakin' awesome. The Eagles will go nowhere this year. The heart of their defense was thrown away over a couple million dollars. Sheldon is pissed so he won't perform. He'll probably drag down other players. The newly anointed "best offensive line" has yet to play a down together but contains an overpaid Peters who yielded 11.5 sacks and is a cry baby. Meet Mr. Uminyura and Mr. Ware idiot. It also contains a "head case" in Shawn Andrews who needed the eagles to bring in Stacy Andrews to make sure he didn't jump off the upper decks of the Linc.
VOR says: Apr 22, 2009 10:24 AM
Karma is a female canine. Not only do the Eagles have Peters, a well-known malcontent who WILL start female canining again at some point when he feels "disrespected" at only making $10M/year, but Brown is following suit, likely looking at how well it worked for Peters. And next-up will probably be Shawn Andrews, who's only made the Pro Bowl more than Peters, and who is making $3.55M/year and reportedly was depressed about his contract. Maybe Peters can introduce Shawn to Eugene Parker?
lucky26 says: Apr 22, 2009 10:30 AM
Seriously…you signed the contract and it was fine. You don't get more money for playing good football when that is what you are supposed to do. I understand wanting to renegotiate the deal, but that can't be done with 4 years left on the deal.
Sigh…I was really looking forward to the year too. SHUT UP AND PLAY!!
polevault1543 says: Apr 22, 2009 10:37 AM
spoonman you are just a giants or cowboys fan, no need to hatefully blabber having done no reading about the players you are talking about. shipped away dawkins because he couldn't cover and will ditch Sheldon in a heartbeat because he is only taking up space. Why don't you wait until the season starts and then start judging how this O line is playing, I see no other team investing so much in their line.
mr beauxjangles says: Apr 22, 2009 10:38 AM
All he's trying to say is that it's not about the actual dollar bills, it's about what the dollar bills say about how much you value him.
I can live without the crappy 5% raise our CEO may give me this year, but I want the raise because it reflects the fact that he acknowledges that I've performed above my salary.
eagles2009SBchamps says: Apr 22, 2009 10:39 AM
said it the other day about Sheldon that he's a "talker". He needs to STFU because Hanson can easily replace him, its just that no one yet can replace Hanson. I smell an early draft pick of a cornerback.
oh and Giants33,
how'd you guys handle the Plax situation? He missed how many of Tom's mandatory meetings? 50??? He slept through how many WR meetings??? maybe you should worry about your own house that's made of glass before you start throwing stones. For all of Tom Coughlin's supposed "rules" they allowed Plax to break a TON of them and even said they'd be willing to take him back before they bowed to media pressure to release him.
Bill In DC says: Apr 22, 2009 10:40 AM
If you manage to get your players to take below market deals (and I realize nobody held a gun to their heads to make them do this) eventually it causes problems. It points out that it isn't necessarily a good idea to not pay a guy market rate just because you can.
Vox Veritas says: Apr 22, 2009 10:43 AM
"All of these disgruntled Eagles players have two things in common, hungry wallets and no rings. "
Kinda like Eagirls management all have misguided principles and no rings in common.
Vox Veritas says: Apr 22, 2009 10:45 AM
"You know his didn't work out for T.O.."
Debatable. TO wanted to be released and guess what. He got released.
Kevin from Philly says: Apr 22, 2009 10:50 AM
"I am thinking of starting a pool as to what week Eagle fans stop talking about the super bowl and start hating on McNabb."
Start a pool about when Cowboys "fans" start acknowleging 44-6. I take NEVER, because you dopes don't know squat about football.
FireAndyReid21 says: Apr 22, 2009 10:51 AM
Hey Sheldon, make a pro bowl.
Vox Veritas says: Apr 22, 2009 10:51 AM
"So what the Eagles should do is start Joselio opposite Assante and bench Brown's ass! "
There ya go! Then piss a lot of other players off by starting an inferior player over a superior one for political reasons! They'll see that and think that if it could happen to him, it could happen to them.
ActionJackson says: Apr 22, 2009 10:54 AM
I think the most interesting part of this drama is how the locker room will respond. This is the 1st time in over a decade that there is problems in the Eagle's locker room and they don't have Brian Dawkins there to pull everyone back together. This is the teams 1st test of the post Dawkins era, and I wanna see how they respond. In my opinion I see it not turning out good. Mostly because Sheldon Brown was dubbed the new leader in the locker room and on the defense. So if hes the leader who's going to be there to lead the guys away from Sheldon that he's trying to pull into the situation ( Trent Cole, Mike Patterson etc.). I have a feeling that the Front office is going to regret letting Dawkins go a lot more then they thought they were in the upcoming months .
eagles2009SBchamps says: Apr 22, 2009 10:54 AM
maybe instead of getting players to take below market deals earlier in their careers before they've totally proven themselves maybe we should overpay for every high priced free agent on the market, the moment they hit the market and be in salary cap hell every year and have nothing to show for it? How is that working for Mr Snyder?
wait, no I'll keep doing what we're doing.
T Man says: Apr 22, 2009 11:06 AM
Let me first say that I agree with Banner's position regarding Brown. The Eagles stepped up at a time when it was not necessarily needed and gave Brown and his family financial security. The players seem to quickly forget about what the team did when they didn't have to. The player seems to look at what is in it for them at this point from a guaranteed money standpoint and a salary — and forget about the past bonuses and guaranteed money.
That being said, what I found interesting is that Banner says that the Eagles and others simply do not re-do deals with players who have 2 or more years left on their contract. Yet when he waid it in response to Brown's demands, he had just renegotiated a contract for Jason Peters (who they traded for) — who had 2 years left on his contract with the Bills. Peters was paid like Brown and then wanted out like Brown or a new deal. The Eagles gave him the new deal. I can see Brown saying how come people not on the team get redone deals by the Eagles, but not players who have bled for the team.
smilergrogan says: Apr 22, 2009 11:11 AM
contractually, the eagles hold all the cards. and if they decide to live with the negative collateral damage created, theres nothing anyone can do about it. the reality is, however, that there is definitely collateral damage created. last year when lito was raising the same issue, the eagles took an equally legalistic approach, and the result was that lito's play, and therefore the team's play, suffered.
this season, when the eagles decided to cut the loss, they couldn't get much for him (a 5th this year and between a most likely a 4th a year from now).
if the eagles continue this approach with sheldon, who has been a steadying influence over the past years, they will end up with a similarly negative outcome.
to the majority of the locker room, joe banner comes off as the smart nerd in school who snookered one of his less astute but more popular and respected classmates and then rubs his nose in it. when i saw banners smirking interview, i thought the only thing missing was the pocket protector. since football is a sport which requires the cooperation of the entire team to succeed, such contractual victories are self defeating. thus far, the eagles haven't seemed to get it. losing dawkins over a couple million dollars over two years was equally short sighted and will cost them over the next two years.
sheldon's signing bonus proration for the 7.5 M is completed as of this year. If the eagles were to add a Mil to each of the following two seasons in the form of a roster bonus, it wouldn't kill the eagles financially, would allow them not to modify a contract so far out, and would allow sheldon to come back to the locker room without his tail between his legs, which is a win-win to me. if sheldon plays lights out, you add more incentive, and if it turns out he's got nothing left, nothing going forward is guaranteed.
as an eagles fan, i fear joe banner enjoys winning the cap management game more than the football games.
Vox Veritas says: Apr 22, 2009 11:11 AM
"Start a pool about when Cowboys "fans" start acknowleging 44-6. I take NEVER, because you dopes don't know squat about football. "
Just admit it. In your eyes, that 44-6 game is the best thing the Eagirls have ever accomplished. You're pathetic. The Eagirls have been on the receiving end of lots of beatdowns like that. Holy shit, it's the fricking Eagirls, a team that hasn't managed 5 winning seasons in a row since your grandpa was a little boy.
Vox Veritas says: Apr 22, 2009 11:13 AM
"This is the 1st time in over a decade that there is problems in the Eagle's locker room"
Yeah, that TO thing was nothing.
Vox Veritas says: Apr 22, 2009 11:17 AM
Pretty obvious that the objective at Eagirls HQ has shifted from winning a championship to making Lurie's wallet even fatter. How far under the cap are they, again?
Andy_Reid says: Apr 22, 2009 11:21 AM
@ Vox Veritas,
44-6 hehe.
GPLmark says: Apr 22, 2009 11:23 AM
Sheldon, go out and get 12 picks this year, 4 for touchdowns, and then maybe you'll get a new deal in the next offseason. Or at the very least, you'll increase your trade value.
GPLmark says: Apr 22, 2009 11:27 AM
Vox what are you talking about? 2000-2004 five winning seasons in a row. And when was the last time the Cowgirls had a playoff win? 12 years ago?
Smush Rodrigez says: Apr 22, 2009 11:27 AM
Hmmm… if Sheldon is not the number one CB on this team, why was he asked to be the leader and why does he cover the other teams best WR every game?
It is because Jim Johnson does not do matchups just left and right. This tells me that Sheldon is the best CB on the team (maybe co-best?).
The team thinks of players as assests and does not realize that their good business practices are good except when people and emotion get involved. It is BS to see Reggie Brown walk away with 30 million. He is terrible.
The Eagles should be called on the carpet for these deals. If the Philadelphia medi wants a good story – they should chronical every long term deal that the Eagles have made with draft picks and see what their success rate is. A failure is a Sheldon/Lito/Trotter/Reggie Brown. They should alos look at what happens to all of the people who do not take the deal: Michael Lewis/Gaither/etc.
If Michael Lewis was so bad, why did they want to resign him. Why was a strong safety covering the other teams best WR anyway? Yes, he got beat by Joe Horn but how many SS are asked to cover the best WR one on one?
Yes, the defense looked better when Gaither got benched. I wonder if this had anything to do with getting Dawkins out of the secondary – since he was such a liability on pass plays. That change was made at the same time.
As a fan, we see good players disgruntled and bad players walking with pockets of cash. Why do people care about Sheldon getting more money but not care about Reggie Brown stealing it?
Joe Banner should be removed as the face of the organization. The guy has no people skills and talks like he is trading commodities. Have some empathy. Let Sheldon save some face in the locker room in which you want him to lead. How about making the rest of his year garaunteed. Because, you know, he will never see the last two years where there is money…. Look at his age. Sheldon has a point (and he should have not signed the deal).
ActionJackson says: Apr 22, 2009 11:30 AM
Vox Veritas says:
April 22nd, 2009 at 11:11 am
Holy shit, it's the fricking Eagirls, a team that hasn't managed 5 winning seasons in a row since your grandpa was a little boy.
2000-2001 Division Round Playoffs
2001-2002 Championship Game
2002-2003 Championship Game
2003-2004 Championship Game
2004-2005 Super Bowl
Holy Shit! How old is your grandpa? He must be 4 years old b/c that was the last time the Eagles managed 5 winning seasons in a row. You idiot.
eagles2009SBchamps says: Apr 22, 2009 11:38 AM
can people PLEASE stop comparing Brown to Peters? Peters was GROSSLY underpaid by everyone's admission and Brown is not. Peters has been to multiple Pro Bowls and Brown has not. Peters had 2 years remaining on his deal, Shedon has 4. Peters has made less than $8 million in his career while Sheldon's contract is for $25 milllion. Peters is 27, Brown is 30.
They're completely different situations and I'm sorry Bills fans are bitter but get over it.
brt120 says: Apr 22, 2009 11:38 AM
If I were Brown I'd fire my agent. What kind of strategy is this? Let's have a medicore, undersized CB with average speed complain he's underpaid.
Real smart.
strolls says: Apr 22, 2009 11:42 AM
A lot of people are presently out of work,myself included but Brown has the balls to bitch about a 7 figure contract?!!Who twisted his arm to sign the contact?I'm sure he was pretty damn happy when he put his signature on it.If he wants Asante Samuel money,then he should have taken the chance Asante did and played out his option.But if he did that,he could have wound up like Byron Evans who turned down an extension in 1994 and shortly after had a career ending knee injury.Sheldon was one of my favorite Eagles but not anymore.Now to me he's just another spoiled,whining,little bitch!I hope the Birds trade him to the Bengals or the Lions!
tomskiffington says: Apr 22, 2009 11:42 AM
"a team that hasn't managed 5 winning seasons in a row since your grandpa was a little boy"
haha. says the guy who's team hasn't won a playoff game in 12 years.
psudu says: Apr 22, 2009 11:43 AM
Next step will be Brown putting a fish in the duct work at Eagles HQ…Smell what Sheldon is cookin!
blownvr6 says: Apr 22, 2009 11:45 AM
vox, u guys havent won a playoff game in how many years?? winning records dont mean shit if u choke in december. bro, we ended ur season last year. ur great cowboys. all u had to do was beat the eagirls. what happened??? did u watch the game??? u got embarrassed. stop worrying about 15 years ago. shit changes bro. its 2009, all u cowboys fans bring up the past. thats what u hicks live in.
44-6 end of ur season, wah wah
jschnepf5 says: Apr 22, 2009 11:46 AM
Vox, might wanna check your facts before you shoot your mouth off. 2000-2004,
Granted, we have yet to get our Super Bowl ring, but Cowboys fans have a lot more reasons to hide their heads in the sand than any other team in the league.
In the what "have you done for me lately" world of sports, I ask you Vox, what has your team done for you lately?
eagles2009SBchamps says: Apr 22, 2009 11:48 AM
get a clue.
not that your rants matter much but here goes:
I know it may be tough for you to count but that's 5.
oh and i guess since you Cowboys fans don't recognize any year past 1993 maybe it doesn't count. or maybe its because you SUCKED during that time? Quincy Carter anyone?
You know my favorite number? It keeps growing by one every year. Its now 13. Last time the Cowboys won a playoff game. Its changing to 14 this year.
Zukny says: Apr 22, 2009 11:51 AM
I just read on gcobb.com that Joe Banner basically made Brown look like a highschool drop out.
AresJS25 says: Apr 22, 2009 11:55 AM
"Just admit it. In your eyes, that 44-6 game is the best thing the Eagirls have ever accomplished. You're pathetic. The Eagirls have been on the receiving end of lots of beatdowns like that. Holy shit, it's the fricking Eagirls, a team that hasn't managed 5 winning seasons in a row since your grandpa was a little boy."
The Eagles worst record between 2000-2005 was 11-5. Aside from the one year without McNabb, the Eagles haven't had a losing season in quite a few years.
Do research next time, you wont look as foolish.
AresJS25 says: Apr 22, 2009 11:58 AM
People underrate Brown, who gave up 0 TDs last year.
jschnepf5 says: Apr 22, 2009 12:09 PM
So all this talk about the Eagles sucking…perhaps someone can help me read the last line in Vox's post here…..
jdiak says: Apr 22, 2009 12:31 PM
The Peters contract is a complete non-issue to comparison to Brown.
Peters signed a 4 year contract EXTENSION on top of the 2 remaining years on his original contract to make the agreement a 6 year, $60 million dollar deal.
Banner gets to state that they do not renegotiate contracts with current players with more than one year left on their deal yet get Peters the desired money. This process is similar to the process Brown went through to sign his current deal and with so much time left on his current deal, Brown does not have the opportunity to approach the Eagles from this perspective. Unless the Eagles decide to open the floodgates and attempt to redo his deal (unlikely),Brown is stuck.
While I agree with the "he signed the contract, he should play it out" side, the business approach the Eagles take is flawed. These long extensions tend to create winners (Eagles, Reggie Brown, etc.) and losers (players who at some point in the contract begin to outperform the deal in place). The Eagles should attempt to provide a mutually beneficial solution – focus on providing good players, reasonable contracts in dollars and length. The players who have long term talent and are valued by teams will get paid as their contracts lapse and those who are not talented will not get resigned.
The Eagles need to understand the better they are at identifying good players and locking them up to long extensions the greater these issues will become in future years. The Eagles will become a victim of their own success and the team will eventually decay from within.
smiley says: Apr 22, 2009 1:15 PM
What incentive is there to play over your head? Umm…you're paid a king's ransom to play a game?!!! That's it, I'm going to talk to the Nestle' CEO and tell ask him how he's going to get me to work over my head. I'll let you know how it goes. Hail!
P.S. I hope the Eagles stay strong on this one.
butterk2 says: Apr 22, 2009 1:50 PM
Smush, good point. People saying we should bench brown for hanson have no idea what they are talking about. Brown is a lot better than people realize and pro bowls are not a good measure for success on the field. Its a glorified popularity contest where the biggest names always get in, not necessarily the best players of that season.
Smush Rodrigez says: Apr 22, 2009 1:50 PM
jdiak, you are correct. Broderick Bunkley will either sign a long term deal this year or will begin to get phased out.
NYGBigBlueWall says: Apr 22, 2009 3:15 PM
Sheldon Brown is way smarter then you Eagle fans think. With the loss of Brian Dawkins on D he realizes he is going to be exposed as the Pilon he is and he will never have a chance at the big money again. Seems smart to me. Call his bluff let him play for a year more. When he gets schooled all day long he will shut up. Seems simple to me
Kevin from Philly says: Apr 22, 2009 3:32 PM
Vox, what's TRULY pathetic is a fool in denial. The Cowboys haven't won in the post-season since the first time your Mom told you to move out and get a job. Deal with it.
Philadeagles says: Apr 22, 2009 3:45 PM
How unfortunate the whole money grab has become. Sheldon must be friends with Reggie Theus…now why mention Theus you ask? He signed an extension with the Bulls on a Tuesday and on the same Friday he wanted to renegotiate! LOL
Everybody involved is greedy beyond belief! The players, the owners, NFL and it's Network, COMCAST!! Perhaps not in my lifetime, but sports as we know it will either end or be only for the wealthy (see stadiums – Jerry Dome).
Smush Rodrigez says: Apr 22, 2009 5:43 PM
NYGBigBlueWall says:
April 22nd, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Sheldon Brown is way smarter then you Eagle fans think. With the loss of Brian Dawkins on D he realizes he is going to be exposed as the Pilon he is and he will never have a chance at the big money again. Seems smart to me. Call his bluff let him play for a year more. When he gets schooled all day long he will shut up. Seems simple to me
You are an idiot. Sheldon gave up 0 tds and 0 penalties with absolutely NO SUPPORT from the FS Dawkins. Dawkins was a liability in pass coverage – he was TERRIBLE for the first 8 games. Sheldon lines up against the best WR on the other team one on one 90% of the time. 90%. Know something before you speak. This is not 6 years ago.
NYGBigBlueWall says: Apr 22, 2009 5:55 PM
Smush Rodrigez says:
April 22nd, 2009 at 5:43 pm
You are an idiot. Sheldon gave up 0 tds and 0 penalties with absolutely NO SUPPORT from the FS Dawkins. Dawkins was a liability in pass coverage – he was TERRIBLE for the first 8 games. Sheldon lines up against the best WR on the other team one on one 90% of the time. 90%. Know something before you speak. This is not 6 years ago.
LOL no need to be rude. Just shows you are just like the Eagles FO..no class. No need to argue either. Guess we will see this year. It's fact Dawkins set that guy every play. Watch and see. He is overrated …period! Give him 16 games to run your secondary if he proves his worth shut up and pay him. If not, he shouldn't get paid. Once again seems simple.
eagles 20 says: Apr 22, 2009 6:10 PM
shut up sheldon no one cares, millions out fo work and you want us to feel sorry for you becasue YOU signed a contract and now want more money. i hope they make you play most of it out and then trade your ass to the lions. freaking crybaby.
eagles 20 says: Apr 22, 2009 6:18 PM
And i love how these cowgirls and giants fan chime in. retards, let see there was me me me shockey and big mouth tiki, and mike i want more money maybe i will retire, maybe i wont if they pay me strahan, and the cowgirls with romo crying "t.o is being mean to me and jason" and the two roys crying one wants out of town the other is a joke, with the lame duck coach who cant win a playoff game and medleing owner and countless drug convictions of players. give me a break, dont act like you stuff dont stink too.
myusernamestinks says: Apr 22, 2009 7:24 PM
"…in the locker room, where the size of everything matters." What does that mean, Florio? Is Sheldon Brown the Kenny King of Philly?
mustbechris says: Apr 23, 2009 6:20 AM
I'm a fan of Sheldon, I met the guy and he really seems like a solid person, but he's coming off as a hypocrite here. When Lito was looking for more money, he pulled Sheldon's name into it and Sheldon basically told him to keep his name out of his mouth. Now that Sheldon wants more money, he's pulling other players into it too, who I'm sure won't be thrilled about it.
I think Sheldon is underpaid and deserves more money. I don't think the Eagles have any incentive to give him the money, so they won't, and they don't have to. I think Joe Banner's responding to all of this like a complete scumbag, though. The bottom line is that they're both acting childish about it. Asante Samuel makes the money he makes because he waited and took the franchise tag knowing that eventually he'd get his money in free agency. Instead, Sheldon decided to take the waaaaaaaay long-term deal that will pay him less but give him financial security well into his 30s. He could've been out a couple years ago and could be getting paid more, not Asante money, but a good amount more, but he didn't. Whether that's his fault or the agent's, I don't know. He really just has no leverage in this because he signed the contract and he's obligated to pay it out. Considering the Eagles have 40 mill in cap space, they really should just pay him a little more because he truly is underpaid. At the very least, they should talk to him rather than continue to blow him off. But they choose to handle their affairs the way they do, so it's whatever.
Smush Rodrigez says: Apr 23, 2009 9:08 AM
Hey, sorry to be rude but it does get annoying hearing Giants fans talk like they know what is going on with the Eagles. You see them a few times a year and read websites and watch highlight films. I have had season tickets for over 10 years and have watched every game and I am pretty sure that I know what Dawkins role on the defense has been and how it has changed over the course of the years. Your argument actually works against you because Sheldon will be better with a better pass covering FS back there.
The Giants fans all think Westbrook is a god because he kills the Giants. Well, he does have flaws too.
Just like I would not assume to know everything about the Giants – especially good solid role players on defense – you should also not assume.


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Prompt attention give n bo buving and selling Real Estate. rn c. JONES, I 7$ E. Third st, cor. Deer. Excelsior Meat Market. Fresh, Salt and Smoked Meats, Lard, Sausages, oysters and Poultry. Reid's Music House 134 Central Avenue. DUNKIRK. N.Y. Drunkenness Or the Litiaor Habit. Positively Cure/ i quor Habit, Positively •* tun* s th me et. mams' eeim srtcine. It can ts s v** in a cup of cote* or (sa. or bi ar * *< (sod, walkout the knowledge of Hic per- oon taking It; It Is absolutely harmless and will Offset a :«rniaaont and speedy cure, whet he t the pf... at )* a moderate drinker or aa alcoholic IT NEVER FAH.8. We GUARANTEE rte cure In every instance, in page book Address in confidence, PECTIC CO.. 186 Rata St.. Clnciiwistt.0- C. C. PENFOLD, MANUFACTURER & IMPORTER. MUN ST.. BUFFALO, N. Y. DKALKH IN toss d my, Chn Wt qivenror*, lesthrr (IoonU. Efc. KSOR4 Vt \Gt GOLD 4 SIL I KR PLA TISO W A TCH ES, JBYFKLKY, AC. Bay the Aurora Railroad Watch. Rej W cpairing a specialty. Prank ¥■ SUPf. W K. Third MOCKER. Merchant Tailor, SU Cen hrs! Avenue A COMPLETE LINE OF holiday goods MAIN STKKET, oypes o iroquois u0t#l.DUNKIRK, N. Y, TUESDAY, FEBRUARY I, 1800. I WHERE TUHY STAND. 6PEAKER CARLISLE EXPLAINS THE DEMOCRATIC POSITION. I* Isftues an Addre«w to (lie Country Giving the Side of the Minority In the bi b ttr Over the Rules—Their Portion | right* are affected Amply .lu<ttltied by the Opinions of All Previous S|»eakrr«. WaaHrKOTOV, Folk. 4. —An sd.ires* to tike country, explaining the portion <»f the Ih*nio- J cratic- iie-1nlier* of the house, has la*en pre pai>si by ex-Hjieak«»r Carlisle, and will he i signed by all of tike minority members to-day. The address iii it** full text is a* follows; Tile pn-veut situation in the house of representatives is so anomalous and Ute unpre- I Cadet!tad <1**< isioiis of Hie s|*eak*-r are so full of danger U* the integrity of future legislation that we consider it our duty to submit a brief statement of the fa*1!** iii order that the propriety of tile i-ourne we hove taken may be fairly determined. Tie* I en me met on the second day of D*«oem-tier. iHW.i, an*l iiiiiii«s)iat«>ty organized by the eleetion of a s|**aker ami oilier offVvrH. On tile same day by a resolution of the house, tile speaker was authorized to a|»|x>int a committee »Hi mkw, amt tie* rules of the Inst pi>s*e«l-ing house were referred to tliat uummittee. Th** committee, (*otL-isting of the wj»**aker hmis**lf ami four other meinl»ers was a|>- , |M>int**<l *hi th** fifth day of December, arni *>ti I domain of des-ussum Hie ninth, it made a refiort autboii/.ing the sp**aker to appoint all the other committee* an*! defining their Juriedi*-Don. The <-om mittee «m eU»-ti«*ns. to which was referred all oes»*s involving tile rights of menila*nt to their seats was a pi minted on th** ti in iii day of December. THE OOMM1TTEE ON KU LES. Although nearly tw«» mon ti is have elapse*! winre the onminittae on rn if*—* was ap}**>int***l. it has made no nqiort upon the matters re-, , fernsl to it, ex«vpt the luiriial one made on j*i,s Ull< ' 1 u ' 111 tile Dw;. anil cumsspieiitly the bouse ha*,; I <*-eii «s»!ii|s'll«si to ***«Miu«-t its I swines* with-»sit any rule or system, excej*t th** general iwrliaiuentary law as collat rued by the j sjienker. Tiler** have been no calanderK, no order of Isisinesa, imi flxe*l time t«* receive re I I Dirts from <**M«unitt**es *>r f**r the considera-ti*si **f lulls or resolution*, alai, in fact. n*» I r**gular methods whatever iii Ila* proceedings j of the b*Hise. UKE A POLITICAL CONV ENT IOX. I Tile Ameri«*an house of representatives has lie*-ii during all so far as rules for cerned, iii pns isely the same condition as a I Dipolar meeting or a politii*al ixsivention, in w hich the chairman ami hrs partisans ate solidity control all tbs pr*ss*e*l»ng». No measure can get bef*se tlw* house f«»r consideration unless the speaker chooses to allow it to lie presented, ami members have Bo in<«ns of knowing in advance what they are to be tailed uj***n to dist-ure or «le**ide. This is the first time in our history that a legislative assembly, or even a public meeting. lias attempted to transact business for any contd!Arabia period w ithout a regular code of rules prescribing the order of its proceedings. ami the inconvenience and the injustice resulting from such an attempt have lieen forcibly illustrated in the present in-stan**e The speaker has repeatedly during these extra* *n ii nary pniceedmgs refused to entertain iiarliamentary motions that have been rwi'ugiiized as legitimate ever sin*« the government was established, and when at teliqitN have lieen made to ap|teal from his decisions he has refused to submit tile question to th** house. By his arbitrary rulings, unstained iii some instances by less than a quorum, be has subverted every principle of constitutional anil {xirlmmentary law heretofore re«*ognized in the house. This personal aud (artisan domination of the bouse w as submitted to, though not w about rejsxited protests, until we liecame convinced that it was the delilierate purjMise of tis* shaker and his su(*[s>rters to pr*w*eed without rules to *Mist the Democratic member* wh«>ie wats are contested and admit their Republican ojiponents, whether Mecte*i or nut DETERMINED TO STOP PROCEEDINGS. On Wednesday, Jan. ^9, the committee on el*s*tions calksi up a contested election case, and the I HS nor ratio memliers determined that in the alweiice of rules it should not be considered if they could 'prevent it by any proper (tarliamentary proceedings. Accordingly they raised the question of consideration, demanded Ute yeas ami nays, and on the dill of the roll refrained from voting. The result was that leas than a constitutional quorum voted, but the speaker, in violation of the uniform practice of the house for more titan a <x»ntury. proceeded to count mein liers who wer* present, but not voting, an*! declared that the house had decided to take the aa.-** up. From this decision an appeal was taken, and on motion to lay this apjieal on the table the yeas and nays were taken, arni less than a quorum vote*!, but the spiker again counted nieinU*rs not voting anil derided that the motion was agree*! to and his ruling thereby sustained. The is Hist it ut i* ai of tin* United States provides that a majority of each house "shall constitute a quorum to do business; but a smaller untidier may iu!j*aim from day to «!ay. ami may lie authorised to compel 'h*» attendance of alnent meniter* in such manner, ami limier such {A'nalties as each house may provide." Another clause of tile »x*n. stitut ion requires e«**h housed* k«x*p a journal of its pr*x*e**dmg><. ■id (M-ovhlea that w hen one-tilth of the members (*n*si*nt »h*sire it. the y**as am! nays shall be taken oil any question ami entered rwi the journal. Since tile lie-gimiiug of tin* government under tile constitution. more than a hundred years ago, the house of repix*s»*ntatives an*! the senate have uniformly coukirued tile first clause of the constitution quote*l alcove to mean that a majority of all tile meinliers-eleet must tie pix'sent and a**tually jiarticq*ate in the tians-action of business, ami that w hcm-ver. upon a call of tile yea*, and nays it a(»(s*aixsl from tile journal, which is the only otlicial record, tiuit U*ss than the constitutional quorum hail v*»te*l on any prop*sition, th** vote was a nullity, ami no further business ixaiM I** done until the requisite number aji(*eftre*l and voted. A LONO UNK OF PRECEDENTS. Every presiding officer in the senate and •very speaker of the house, excejit tlw present one, has ruled that when less than a quorum voted on a call of the yeas ami nay*, no matter bow many might la* actually present, it was his duty to take maine of tile fai t and declare that the pending bill or motion ha* I not passe*!. When the vote is not taken by yens ami nays it is not entered ujion the journal, lait if any member makes the point that rn* quorum lias voted the pr*>cecdi!»g is a nullity ami tile vote must I* taken over. The pftwumption of the law is that when nothing app*ars to the contrary th** pnioeixl-ings of a legislative boily ere regular and valid, ami therefore when til® official record doe* not show that less than a quorum voted, or attention is not called to the fa«*t in such a way as to furnish legal evidence of it, th* qu**stion caqnot he matte afterwards. Many bills have lieen passed a lien there was no quorum voting, ami it is equally true that many have passed w hen there was no quorum actually present, but this does not prove that THE TEST-OATH CASE. Religion ! the proceeding would have been valid in either case if the official record had shown the fact. Iii order to secure certainty and stability in the administration of the law, it is a rule in our jurnprmleoee that when a particular ocnstrurtiwn of a constitution or a statute has been for a long time a*xpimaced to, not only by those w bose duty it ie to execute it, but also by tboee w hose (lersonal and property by it, the courts will recognize it as the true ex instruction, and enforce it a**eordingly. Even if this were an original question, it would not he difficult to show that the practical construction of the constitution which has prevailed in the house ami senate for over one hundred years is the correct one. Speaker Reed himself, when in the minority on tile fl*s»r of the house, stated the true meaning and the true philosophy of the constitution when besant: "The <*onxti-tntiooal idea of a quorum is not the presence of a majority of all the metnliersof the house, bul a majority of tile memliers present ami |Mtrti**)|M*tiiig iii the Iwisincss of the house. It is not their visible presence, but their judgment urn! votes, which the eonstitutkm calls for." U BT THEY OBJECTED, (fen. Garfield, Mr. Blaine, Mr. Hawley, Mr. Cogger, Mr. Hoi**** rn ami ut lier eminent Republicans have taken tie* same pwittim ami their arguments have never lieen answered. If any leg^l or political quanting can la* settled iii this country by the long a*x)uiete cen<*e of jurists ami statesmen of all parties, certainly this question has pass.-*! beyond the Wlien, ?' *refore, the (►resent speaker repudiat***! this settled *xj*i-xt met ion of the constitution, ami decidual that w Ikmi tin* official record w hich the constitution requires the hmise to keep, shows on a :*all of th.* y<«* and nays, tliat a quorum lias not voted, he can <xiunt members pnsent and not voting, ami thus by his own a**t, outside :>f the re* •* in bx I vote, determine that a measure has passed, we c* inside red it * mr duty, as * Isu*t ut tile representatives of the people, to i »nU*r our protests in every form available to A REPUBLICAN SEATED. THE REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE ON RULES ADOPTED. THE MINORITY NOT TRYING TO KULE. We are not contending for the right of the minority to govern as the siqqiorters of the Speakers have endeavored to make tile country l»elieve. On the contrary, we are denying the right of a minority to eject meddlers from their seats, or to pus* laws for the government of the |ieople. Umler the institution a majority of th** mein tiers of the house NHistitnte a quorum ti* do business. We are contending that the majority shall take tile r*w|*>nsibility w hh-h (iroperly tielongs to them this time an*l still is, j Sll,l sliall inurn to the h*»us*> of representative* it* government are con sud v«*te if they desire lo control it* proceed- ami we mgs. ami we are protesting against their right to <*arry their measures by counting us when we do not vote. The claim of the majority that they have a right to govern the house without attending its session-, and taking (*«rt in the ix«tdm*t of it* business, is too pre|Ni*t«'rous to require refutation. It must lie evident to any one who un* Ie rata mis the (Dsiition taken by the Democratic minority in the h*>use, that it cannot possibly result in an injury to the country, or in any injustice to the majority. It* only effect will lie to compel the Republican majority, elected by the |ieople, to assume the mqsMisibility iuqNiaed upon them. Oil the Other hand no one can for**see the evils that may result from the inauguration of the practice of *x>unting votes not cast in or*l**r to make a quorum. Under it a minority of the »i loin I vim* Ie* *t to the house anil senate may («-* the most tyrannical laws for Hie oppression of the |**ople, and the most corrupt law* for the xfmliation of the public treasury. Whether so ii item 1**1 or not it* direct tendency is ti* break down tile liarnera heretofore existing for the protection of the citizen against the encroachment* of power anil spoliation of the treasury by destroying th** limitations w hich the constitution has wisely itnpowxi u|*m the legislative detriment. Constitutions are made to restrain majorities and prole** minorities. A majority ruling w ithout limitations or restraints u(*>n it* (lower, is a pure despotism, and is inconsistent with tiur system of government. Cannat be Legally I od as a ( lunk for ('rime. Washington, Feb. 4. — In the supreme court of the United States yesterday Justice Field rendered an opinion affirming the judgment of the third judicial district court of Idaho in the ease of Samuel D. Davis against H. G. Reason, sheriff of Oneida county. The case is commonly kuowu as the biabo test-oeth case in which tile question involved was tin* constitutionality of the Edmunds test ♦aith requiring citizens of Idaho to make oath when they »pplv to register, that they are not bigamist* or polygamists; do not trach, a1 vise. or encourage bigamy or polygamy, and that they are not member* of any order which practice* or encourages such teachings. Davis was arrested ami convicted of unlawfully perverting the laws of the territory, by taking tile oath while a tneinlier of the Mormon church. Davis brought the «*ase to the supreme «x*urt on a writ. of lintN*as coiqms, claiming that the allegations did not constitute a public offense, and that the .statute pn'scribing the t<*t oath was a law respecting* religious establishment amt therefore un '.xMi-titiit tonal. Justin* Field, in his opinion, states that there can lie m» serious iliM*ust-i< >n or differ-emx*s *»f <»(iini<>!» as to the allegations «xmsti-lutingan offemx* of which the territorial iWIrt might take eogniaamx*. Bigamy and polygamy arx* crimea, la* holds, by tile laws of the Unite*I States ami of Idaho. To call their advocacy a tenet of religion is to offend th** common sense of mankind. The first amendment to the constitution, declaring that cxMigress shall make no law i-es|ie**tiiig tile establishment of religion or forbidding tile free exercise tliereof, was intended to allow every one to entertain such notions res|»ecting his relations to his Maker ami the duties they impose as may lie aj* proved by his judgment ami conscience ami to exhibit His sentiment* in such form as he may see pr«*|«er. The *x>urt *x»nclud**s: "It is assumed by oMiivs**! of Hie petitioner that I ss •mix** no mode of worship can be estat*li*h«xl or relig-i*His tenet* in force in this country, therefor**, any form of worship may be followed ami any tenets, however destructive of society, may be lichi ami adv*sated, if a**ert*d to lie a (art of Hie religious doctrine of those ad Vera ting ami practicing them. But nothing is further from the truth. While legislation for the establishment of religion is forbidden and it* free exercise permitted it (hies not follow that everything which may lie ***-**alhxl can tie tolerate*!. Crime is mine the less odious iierau.se sauctifbxl by w iiat any (tart icular sect may designate as religion." Sixth National Rank Fleet ion. New York, Fell. 4.—The sh*-khohieni of the Bixth National tmuk aliet yesterday and elected the following Imard of directors; C. H. Leland, C. J. Lam ion, J**«eph Park, W J. Quinlan, Jr., rash ie r of the Chemical hank. ami F. D. Tapfntu, president of the Gallatin lunk. The director* immediately organised by electing Charles H. iceland president and Charles J. Landon. vice (tree-blent. Not a Democrat %'oted — It Took tbs House Until »:30 |>. rn. to Reach rn 4 ut*—The Senate Adjourns Out of Sympathy for Secretary Tracy —The I-at! el Rapidly Iteeoverlne. Washington. Feb. 4.—In the bouse vee terday there was a dis]site over the adoption of the journal. It was finally adopted by counting in Democrats w ho did not vote. The Smith-Jackson contested election case was then resume*!. Mr. Bynum of Indiana moved to adjourn, which was rejected—yeas nays 157. Mr. Crisp raised the question of consideration. Tile -.(leaker (lts'liiMsl to entertain it. Mr. Crisp a;i(*eal**l from this decision, and the speaker declined to entertain th*? apiwsd. Mr. O'Ferra 11 of Virginia was recognized ami restiukxi his argument in the contested election rase in sup|*>rt of the minority report. After arguing the case. Mr. O'Ferrall made allusion to the state of affairs existing iii the house. He did not believe, he said, the time had yet mine, aud God grant it might never crane, w hen the American j**ople would tolerate autocrat (Dover, w hether w added by the pres'./Jell t of the United States or tile s(s*akcr of the house of r**pr**s*iiU»tive*, or wlien the peof>|«* breathing the inspiring wntimeiit* of our fn*e institutions, which to-day ftlleil the eyes of all other nations of the world w ith envy, would wubniit all their interest* to the ha mis of one man, whose eye dictated the journals, whose will controlled legislation; ami whose gavel made one—supposed to I** a representative—silent and numb, when it was the sweet will of the one man that he should not lie beard. As for him ami his people, he probated against this usmqiation; against this outrage; against this violation of tile sa ere* I rights of the weak; against this cruel, wicked ami unconstitutional violation of the rights of the majority. In conclusion Mr. O'Ferrall predicted that the I leu us-rat* would return to (siwer in the Fifty-second congress, and Bien there would lie no usurer in the s|D*aker's chair. Mr. On*enhalge of Massachusetts said that if the vok*e of Hie jieople was tlw* voice of Go*l, then the voice of G*dI gave to the eon-tratant from the Fourth *listrict of West Virginia his seat in the house. Mr. Out ll Waite of Ohio dcfemhxl the I Vt no-era ti** minority for emieevoring to postpone con skit* ration of the <-ase until a co*le «»f nil*** was ado] tbs I. ami then turning his attention to th** merit* of the case, argued in support of Jacks*rn, the contestee. Mr, Wilson of West Virginia made a go*si humored sj»ee-Ii in criticism of the recent rulings of Speaker Reed which elicited laughter alai applause at time* from both (Diiitiral friends ami «>()(M>neiits, aud the quaker himself <x»uld not repress an tieca-sional smile. He ridiculed expressions which hail been nuitle bv K«*piiblii ans reepecting tiieir <x>ni'**rsi**ti fr**in the lielief tliat the methods of filibustering were admissible by the minority. Th** vote was taken on ordering the previous question on the adoption of the report of the committee to seat Mr. Smith, ami it was ordered— yea* 166, nays 0. Four roll-calls were required liefore the final vote to seat Mr. Smith was taken; alai in this he was declare*I entitled to ins seat—yeas Birt, nays 0. Mr. Hmith ap(vared anti t*s>k the oath of oftl<x* and the Republicans applauded. Mr. Springer sarcastically inquired whether this was a proper time to make a motion to adjourn. K)ieaker Reed replied in a similar tone of sarcasm iii tile affirmative, ami the house then, at s;:*L adjourned. IN TUR SFN ATK. Washington, Feb. 4. — Iu the senate yes-teniay, immediately after the nailing of the journal, Mr. Cameron feelingly amioumxxi the mvnt afflictions in tile families of the secretary of state ami the secretary of the navy, and moved an adjournment, which was unanimously agreed to, and the senate at mice adjourned. SYMPATHY FOR MR. TRACY. Cabinet Member* Will Not Attend the Supreme Court Dinner. Washington, Feb. 4.—President Harrison, inviewoft.be terrible affliction which has come to Secretary Tracy, malled all invitations to the dinner in honor of the justice* of tile supreme court of the United State*, which was to have taken place at the executive mansion on Thursday of this week. The remains of Mrs. Tracy and those of her (laughter, Miss Mary Tracy, were conveyed to th** executive mansion last night ami placed in the East mom, where they w ill remain until the funeral arrangement* shall have l>een completed. It is quite proiiahte that the funeral will take place from the executive mansion. Gen. Catlin of Brooklyn, the brother of Mr*. Tracy, who will decide a I snit the funeral arrangements, was ex(ie*-ted to arrive hen* from Brooklyn last night. Secretary Tracy is still at th** residence of Bancroft Davis. He will pmlkahly lie removed to-day. President Harrison said to the ce|»orter tliat in* thought in Secretary Tracy's present depressed ami prostrated <x*n-dition it would is* imprudent to move him to move him to the executive mansion last night, but he thought tliat by to-day he could he removed w itll safety. Tile secretary is suffering from the inhalation of *moke and his lungs in consilience an* extremely weak. TELEGRAMS or CONDOLENCE. Tin* calamity that overwhelmed Secretary Tracy ha* eau se*! prof and grief throughout the country ami many telegrams of con-iolence have lieen received by the president, among them the following; Governor i^nld of Rh*Die Island telegnqdis: Accept the ny on pa thy of a I our p<*opl * in tbi* <ad lieresveinent which ha** come to you *n*i your cabinet. From tile Brooklyn Preacher* association •ame this di*|witch: The Brooklyn ani Ling Island Preach-rs' asso-eiation of the M F. church, in s -ssion, learn w th d«*e(s*st sorrow of the cai am tv thai has ts-failen a dis;iuguohed citizen of Brooklyn, on* of the honorable men hers of your cabinet and tender you our aincerest sympathy. The Baltimore preaciiers' meeting adopted th# following ruNolutiona: That we liare he ird with feeling of pain an I horror of lh* calalu ty that has just overtaken Secretary Tracy. We, til* ref ore. tender to him our deepest aympathy in his di*tivw» and pray God iliar the everlasting arm may be his support iu til * time of bai darkest sorrow. WHERE THE KIRK HTARTED. Hie fir** in the Tracy mansion, it is believed, •tarted in the front jwrlor near the open fire piece Whet lier it originated from the open grate or fr»*tn overheat***! furnace pi|w* lh not kmiwn. The frame work adjoining the mantel was w here the fire started, and it no dout* !aimed some time liefore it was diwxjvered. The furnac** is in the liascnwnt directly lie-ueath w here tile fire started and the pipe leading to the upper stories pasHtng in the rear a1 the woodwork of the mantel. The firemen generally think that the woodwork caught fire from the overheated pipe*. IN FAVOR OF REVISION. Th* New York Proskytory Reaches th* Fad ut tho Discussion. New York, Feb. 4.—There was a larger attendance at yesterday'« session of the New York Presbytery than at any time Minoa tile del«t*» Mi revision began. Dr MaK'racken moved for til# adoption ef that (airt of the <x>minittee report which relate* to historic and peraonal ties. This was adopted. Hat part of tho report which n*ads "We desire only such changes as seem to us urgently needed and generally asked" was amended by aiding to it the words "to wit." Clerk lira* I ley then read tile first paragraph. which is a* follows; "We desire that the third chapter after tile first section lie so re*-ast a* to include th«<He things only: The sovereignty of G*>d iii election, the general love of God for all mankind, the salvation in Christ Jesus provided for all, and bi bi* preached bi every creature." Dr. Paxton moved bi strike out all that (•art of this section after the words "third chapter," for which lie intended to offer a substitute. M»:ch discussion followed. Objections were raised im all sides. Dr. Shearer moved that tile vote on this charge lie taken by calling the roll. Roll was called and tile amendment lost by a vob* of 56 to *J9. Dr. Hall then offered a* a KU bet it Ute: "We recommend tliat tile general aasetuhly, should it seem pm(**r, formulate a brief explanatory fo*d note disclaiming the interpretation said bi be (nit on certain portions of chapter H b> the alleged harm of the truth ami of th** Presbyterian church." Dr. Hail hoped all would agr*v to this, lait the words were hardly wit of his mouth when Dr. Crosby arose and saki tie? tally objection he had b> the amendment as offered by Dr. Hall is his plan of using the love of God as a footnote. The applause that followed this remark caused the moderator bi call the Presbytery bi order with the injunction that be would adjourn the session if the applause was re(ieab*d. The vob* was then Liken on Dr. Hall's amendment and it was lost by a vote of VA) b* 42. Th** original motion to accept the section as rrad by Clerk li«Midley was then voted on and carried. Section J, winch relates b> that portion of the tenth chapter which refers b> infants dying in infancy, the "damnation of heathen," eb\, after much discussion was finally carried. The assembly then adopted the clause which reads: "While there are other (Hunts which the presbytery would be glad to --* imnlitted or ('Imaged—okeoratpicuoudy chapter xxiv.. se<*-tion d, and chapter xxv., section 0- neverthe lt*ss we prefer to ixmtine '1111 suggestion* for revisi«»n b» the third and t«*nth ('ikipters, as ab we indicated." A vote was then taken on th** section* combined The nill was then culled aud tile result, which may Id* taken a- the standing of the presbytery <hi the question of revision, was as follow s: Hon iK Y**as -George Alexander, A. F Berry, W. W Atterbury, II .M. Andrews, 8 W B.iiley. H. (i. Hr it ley, NI.-bul ll BJer.iiiig. J. C Hush, Charles Briggs R. K. llo.iih. Samuel Boult, F'ranei* Brown. T. Brailen, S. I) Burchard, Henry B Chapin, Charles R. Chapin. Howard Creaby, F Z. E lenwo**<L Henry M. Field. Jess*? F. Fort****-Charles Gardiner, ll. L. (ira rid Ii nard, Chari*** K Obi t, A VV. Halsey, A VV Kershaw. It D. liar* lau. T. 8. Hastings, E VV'. Hitchcx'k, Georg** nadley, Henry Kendall, J. It. Kerr. 8 Iaw, D. L. Ta»reii*. l>r. Mc('rack**n, It. H v|«*Crady, J. H. Mcllvane, G. J Mingeus, G L MeNotL George Nix<in. John It Paxton, Charles ll. Parkhurst VV VV Pac**, G. 8 Payson, Vin ent Pisek, G I* Premiss. Hii^li Prftchar I, h. B. Rossiter, A- G Bol 1 IT-on, F. N Kutaw John A. Saxton, George L Sheaivr, Wilton .VI Smith. John .VI Stevenson. C. ll. Tyndall, Henry Van Dyke, I>r. George Vincent, anti thirty-Ave el iers connected with 'he various church*-*—total 9'i Nay*—8. I). Alexander. T. Atkinson. G. W. F. Birch. John M Bueha** nan. W F. Carr, Charles I. Collins, E M poems, J din B. D« vins, F. \'. I> (Jarrison, J >hu Halt, A. P. L. Jewett, J. J. I Ain ;s», H. G Miller, J C. Nightengale. R. F Sample, fir Stitt*, J T. Wild*, J Vt. Worrail, U.ivid G Wiley, lx*v| Parsons, VV**ndall Ihime. John 8. Rimsey, Chai lea Kobiusou and eighteen elder* —total 43. Rev. Charles Robinson gave notice that he and others would protest against the action of the Presbytery in passing the report. Adjournment was then token until to-day. THREE MEN KILLED. A Freight Train Completely Wrecked. Caused by a liroken (fridge. Peoria, 111., Feb. 4.—A freight train on the Ohio, Indiana and W**sb*rn railroad, composed of twenty loaded L*x cars a cals****, left here for tile east at 7 o'clock Inst night and liefore it had gotten out of the city it was completely wrecked and three limiest. The track crosses th*? Illinois river at the lower end of th*? town. Tile engine had hardly started on the bridge w hen the first sj>an gave way in such a manner as to form an inclined plane into the river. The engine jammed with terrific force against th** first stone (der. The first freight car plow ed over the tender ami into the cab, completely wrecking it Then nine other cars pi!**! up on hip of each other. Iii the engine were Engineer Neville, Fireman O'Brien and Head Brakeman Ia*wLs, all of Urbana, 111. Neither (>'Brian or Lewis have lieen aren since, but Lith are known to lie dead in the wreck. Neville's feet were caught in the engine ami only his bend was out (j^ <^ water. I)os-pernte effort* were made To monte him, but after two hour*' work the wreck to(i)»led over into the river, drowning him. It will l»* at least twenty-four hfuire before the wre>'k **an he cleared away an*! the lnDlira of the unfortunate men recovered. It is estimated that tlu; ffnaiH-i.-iI loss will lie aLiut f:X),(kN). To sell the League Ground*. New York, Feb. 4.—An afternoon jmper say* that Mr. James J. (Vlogan, the ow lier of Hie New York brigue basella]] grounds, will shortly lease the grounds bi the New York and New England Railroad com]univ for a term of ninety-nine years. Mr. C*D>gan, it is said, has made an offer to Mr. Day, president of the New York club, of $130,000 indemnity for the ex]D»nse incurred in fitting up the grounds. Mr Day saki he did not nee how the New York league el db could be forced to vacate their present grounds, a- the lease cover* one im ire year. The import ance of this act of Mr. Coogan is magnified bv the fa*-t that the Players' league club, ha\ ing ground* just mirth of the affected (dot, will lie left in untrammeled (DisHession, while th * old leaguers must look elsewhere. Far ,Murdering Hi* Father. Greenfield, Mass., Feb. 4.—The trial of Lincoln J. Randall for Hie murder of hi* father at Montague Plain. Nov, JJU, IHS?, when Lincoln was «mly IS years old, was begun yesterday. Mr. Randall was shot through a window of his house by some unknown }s*r-ann, and suspicion fell upon the boy. After a jury had liven obtained court adjourned until to-day Farrow in Brooklyn. Brgoklyn, Feb. 4 —There is a general feeling of sorrow in Brooklyn for the «*alam-ity that has tiefallcn Secretary Tracy5* family, who have hosts of friends here. The Liard of aldermen adopted resolutions of sympathy with the secretary. NO. I. MR. PARNELL'S TRIUMPH. THE TIMES HAD NO ALTERNATIVE IN THE MATTER. It Ha* Lost Circulation, Prestige and Cash In It* Fight Against th* Irish Loader-—Th* Latlor Roeoiv** the Con-gratal*tion* af Many Distinguished Person*—Tho Illness of Salisbury. London, Feb. 4 —The rare treat which the crowd of sensation lover* expected to have served up bi them yesterday morning in the shape of extended proceedings in the cane iff Mr. Parnell against The Time* for libel wa* of Abort duration and of a character wholly unexpected. The disposition of the case occupied just two minutes, I Hit it required a* many hour* for some of the spectators to realize the Gill import of the surrender *if The Tunes bi the inevitable. Indeed the position of that (sifter ha* lien one iff gradual surrender ever since the opening proceeding* of the Parnell iqiecial commission. It has surrendered one a fie ^.another of it* point* of vantage; it has surrendered a eottthterable portion of its circulation; it haw lost. a vast deal • if its prestige; it has (Mrted w itll mu*'Ii of its ready rash, and ite aggressive spirit has berat vihibly crushed. Mr. Bans*UL, who was iii court, was the recipient of ninny congratulations upon his easy victory. Among those who congratu-lated the Irisli loader was Mr. Phuioas T. Barnum, the veteran American showiuan, who was present as (arty to a earns* iii tile same court. Mr. Banniiu was intrtHlu.ssl to Mr. Parnell aud the two conversed pleasantly for some minuton. blXD HALIMI)L'RY S ILLNEHK. Mr. Henry Smith the government leader in the house of common , »ul Mr. Arthur J. Balfour, chief secretary for lreiaiMt.aie visiting Ism! Salihbury at Hatfield house Friend* of the premier deny tliat he is ill, but it is (swot iv cly known that he has lie**n ailing for -.oui** time (inst and is greatly in need of r**st A cabinet council will Im held bi-morrow, the chief business of which will lie the framing of the queen'* sfiee**h, to lie deli Vero* I at tho opening <ff (lorliatnrait. BOILER MAKERS ON HTRIKK. Tile L»iler makers of Glasgow have gone (Nit OU strike for an advance iii wages and 2,OGG of ti iran are already arrayed against their employers, while others are pnqmnng bi join them. Mix Langtry's residence has liet*u bmieged by friends ani) a*liuir<>rs aud numliers of b*h*grnms have Iran received inijuiring as to her condition. It is rejiorbsl that she is liettcr. The Times' Fxeitse. London, Feb. 4.—The Time* says in reference to the settlement out of court of the action brought against the |iajs?r by Mr, Parnell that after the withdrawal of the allegri Parnell letters The Times clearly had no legal defense, and therefore no alternative hut to come bi terms or abide by the verdict of a jury. The result, however, dis** not affect th** larger question, aud it is moat dcsir able that th** rep* n't of the sparta I commission, when it shall Is* presented to |xirliaiii''iit, Is* |dac**d in the hands of th** public w itll the least |Nw«i bl# delay. It may W safely Maid that our new ami elegant stork of Embroideries was never excelled in Dunkirk. \\> have them all ready, and not a piece remains/rom our former stocks. * This gives you the best advantage offered you anywhere in this all important line of tine and sensible designs and choicest patterns of Embroideries ami Inserting^ Allovers and hemstitched, with neat tucking combined, iii all making a most desirable selec tion. Fine Ii a CBS THE BALLOT BOX CASE. The Hearing* K*«iiinrd H*>for»> th* ('antal it t** at W»*li I tiglon. Washington, Feb. 4. —Tho select «*orn-mittra? of the bouse to invcHtigate what is known a*, the Ohio tiallot box forgery, i*e-sumed it.** Ileal mg yesterday after a recess of two weeks. Gen. Grosvenor made a state ment iii which he said that a great deal of unnecessary ami unjust criticism ha*l L*eu publislie*! coiKvriiing the*,ommitb*** ain! himself. The Commercia] Gazette, wb< ss? owner was one of the princi|sil (lersoiiM in tin? investigation, had published severe criticisms on the isiniinitt.ee, and hiul charged that Gen. Grosvenor was derelict iii his fluty in not cross-examining certain witm*****. "I hope you don't think I had anvilling bi •lo with it, General?" asked Governor For-ftker. "Nothing at all," was the reply. "You're a lawyer, governor." Gen. Grosvenor said he desired bi bring forward a nu miler of witneeNcs in order to bring out the facts iii something like logical order. Governor Foraker stated that he had mad** every endeavor bi get at the truth. Gen. Grosvenor said lie was not a (irosecmt-ing attorney. He was simply defending his clients. His client* were Lung constantly confronted by the assertion that they were concerned iii some other hallot-Lix contract. He knew nothing of such a contract. Re|e reeeiitative Butterworth appeared liefore Hie committee aud stabs! that s(s*nkiug for all the gentlemen whose na rues a|)|**ar**d oil the forge*! document, he *leui*xl tile statements being constantly printed tliat these gentlemen were not desirous of having a full aud complete investigation. Representative Justice Whiting of Michigan, whose name ap(ieared on Hie forged lial-lot-box contract, was sworn and trail fie* I that th** signature ha*! not lieen placed on the (oilier by him. Mr. Whiting saki Mr. Walters, who had lieen employed by him, and w ho secured the autograph of members *»f congress for Wood, had no wrong connection with Hie latter'!* doings. The witn**** had no kuowi-wdge of any tiallot I xix contract. Powell Crowley *ff Cinciiumti. a former partner of Repreaentative Butter**orth, was the next witness. He said that he had never had in his possession any paper connected with a ballot L»X- He denied all knew ledge of any hallot-Lix contract. Th** next witness was Governor ('ampliell. He was shown the forgral I«Hot-Ltx contra*!. and stated that lie had never seen it liefore. He had never signet I ins name like the signature on the |m(ier. Governor Carniibell denied any knowledge of any liallot Luz contract. He ha*) introduced the ballot-box lull as a fax or to T. C. t'aiiipheil. The witliew* b»l*l all he knew of tile liallot Lm matter. Some three yean ago be had aeon a patent liallot box in the ort bv of T. C. Ceuipbell Tile liox was mauipulabsi by R. G. Woo*). Sometime after Mr. Canipliell hatl brought one of these Lixes to Washington bi exhibit to the congressional (.-ommittee on elections It was at this time that tile witness agreed to introduce the hill. His attent ion was first brought to his connection with the t«llot L.x matter by the jmbliration in The (Jotnnierciai Gazette FOH PARTY USU. Shoulder lengths of fine silk Jersey (Mitts, choice iii tints. Undressed Mousquc-tuirc Kid Gloves, in black, drat), tans, browns and grays. All sizes, with newest fancy stitched backs,neat and stylish. The pricks are only 4J.r)c and $1.20 pel pair. 'Die latter equal to eight buttons. A filii assortment of the Celebrated P. Centenier! Kid Gloves in all the desirable shades can bt* found among our big line. Beautiful fancy Kuching. Ladies' fine Corsets. The C. P. Corset for fine wear is the favorite eorset. 'Hie handsomest Face Veiling; the newest and most stylish iii the market can be found here. MadonnaCotfcou and Barbour's genuine Irish Flax Thread for lace work. Ladies' fine Hosiery ami Handkerchiefs. ERIE STORE. BARGAINS IN CUSTOM CLOTHING. SLAK WOESTE!) HEO SUITS! $25 REGULAR PRICE $30. BUSINESS SUITS! $18 AND UPWARD. OVERCOATS I AT 20 PER CENT, RCOUCTtON, TROUSERS! HEAVYWEIGHT. $3.75 and UPWARD. Thine price* y<nxl until Feh'p. IAU E. A. SALYER, !»2« ( F.NTKAL AVF*I F.. Th* Franco-German Alliance. Berlin, Fab. 4.—The North German Gazette, commenting on the pamphlet of Oil. Sbiffel on the Franco-/hermanalliatire. which that writer assumes might lie purchased by the cession back to France of the raptured provinces of Alsace and I»rrain«, ridicules the suggestion. Germany* relation* with Austria after Sadowa, The Zritung nay*, were vastly different from ber relation* with France after Sedan. Forbearance with France, It declare*, is useless. Germany continue* to be expoaed to the reckless attacks of her Gallic neighbors, lait probably corning centuries will bring a remedy iii the posse* non by Germany of military force sufficient . to glia ran Ut* the safety of the country and j protection to the people. LADIES! lf you want an (may and comfort-able alloo, with a heavy sole. one that will keep your feet dry aud warm, get a pair of D. 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