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|2011-03-03, 04:37
|Link #721
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Agreed, I wouldn't say that it is evil. Although it's a fairly despicable thing to do.
Once again though, you are confusing a few issues. Kyouko has a vested interest in allowing witches to produce GS. Her life depends on it, and she has survived this far because of it.
|2011-03-03, 07:03
|Link #722
Join Date: Sep 2010
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Also, our weekly dose of despair is just around the corner. Brace your pants everyone, I have a feeling this next episode will be a blast.
Edit: WHAT THE FU**!? It's cancelled?...
Eh, apparently not, it's just some guys whining on the internet.
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|2011-03-03, 08:04
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Scientist in wonder land
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The main reason why she might be someone among the already-known characters is that, with only 4 episodes left, it would be difficult to make a convincing development that explains why Homura is so passionate about Madoka. What type of events do you think would make a person so passionate that she can sacrifice anyone else for Madoka, especially a person like Homura? Just a plain-old saving-life story is convincing enough?
For Homura=Mother hypothesis, there had been some scenes which implied Homura might be Madoka's mother (I guess such discussions might have been done here): Both of them have a habit to often toss their hairs; both of them have purple eyes; both of them seem to like to use hair-dressing items; the first question ever that Homura did to Madoka was like one a mother would do to the daughter; in talking with Sayaka in the last episode, she referred to Madoka as "ano ko (that girl)" not "kanojo (she)" and this is more like a mother would refer to her daughter; and, on top of all that, the crying scene in the episode 8.
But, anyway let's see what happens in the Episode 9 that starts in a few hours!
|2011-03-03, 08:12
|Link #724
Scientist in wonder land
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Mother wore a black one in the Episode 1, while Homura has been wearing a black head band.
|2011-03-03, 15:26
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|2011-03-03, 15:31
|Link #726
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1) Each witch fought generates an average of 5 familiars over its lifetime.
2) That the cost (in magic used/soul gem contamination) of defeating a familiar is 1 point, and the cost of defeating a witch is 5 points. (ignoring possible perpetuation costs of just maintaining her magical body)
3) That a grief seed restores 15 point of energy.
4) That only half of all witches drop a grief seed.
Scenario 1: Kyouko fights and kills all witches and familiars.
She gets a grief seed from every other witch, so has to kill 2 witches and 10 familiars per grief seed.
The cost of defeating 2 witches and 10 familiars is 20 points. She only recovers 15 points per grief seed. Therefore her overall net magic power/soul gem purity is degrading by 5 points for every two witches fought. If she started with 100 points, after 40 witches she would be dead, and probably not terribly effective at fighting the last half-dozen or so anyway, leading to even more deaths, and possibly even a premature one for herself.
Scenario 2: Kyouko allows one familiar to upgrade to a witch per witch/familiar set.
That means each witch set effectively becomes 2 witches and 4 familiars, and will tend to always generate a grief seed.
Cost of fighting 2 witches and 4 familiars is 14 points. She recovers 15 points per grief seed. Therefore she has a net +1 energy point for every witch set she kills.
Whereas in scenario 1 she would be dead after 40 witches, in scenario 2 she would be at 140 points instead of 100, giving her more flexibility in the use of her power and more buffer to keep her alive.
So then the question becomes, how many people have to be killed to convert a familiar to a witch, and how does that compare to the number of people killed by the familiars and witches in the time before Kyouko would be able to find and kill them?
Further, the instant she dies, deaths start racking up that are effectively her responsibility (even if another magical girl would come in to take over her territory). How long would it take for the deaths to overtake the losses caused by the familiars?
If 120 people died (over and above however many died before the familiar could be found in the first place) for those familiars to become witches, and a witch and her familiars normally caused 10 deaths before being eliminated, a mere dozen witches further into Kyouko's career would balance out the loss.
If she believes that she is more capable than any likely replacement (which is quite possibly true to a large extent, especially if she's working a net positive on the magic flow instead of a net negative), she might also expect that, aside from general psychological responsibility, her replacement may allow *more* people to die even if following the "kill immediately" tactic.
Given her improved powers, is it possible that she may be more effective in preventing deaths as a whole? Finding and tracking down 5 familiars that on average killed 3 people each, or allowing one to kill 10 people while clearing out the others before they kill more than 1?
We simply don't have enough knowledge of how she operates to know the exact balance of how things would play out, so declaring her actions as 'evil' based only on a subset of information seems remarkably short-sighted.
|2011-03-03, 18:59
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Your scenarios make sense. However, I am not entirely convinced that Kyoko is unable to survive by killing both witches and familiars. At the least, Kyoko could kill familiars until she reaches her limit... and then go about waiting for a witch.
So instead of killing 2 witches and 10 familiars (-20 + 15), she could kill 2 witches and 5 familiars (-15 + 15). Partial reduction, in other words. That would convince me that Kyoko is putting forth an effort to save people. Alas, from what I have seen, Kyoko is disinterested in humanity's well being.
|2011-03-03, 19:15
|Link #728
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I think a more accurate and pertinent way to determine "evil" as an attribute is through intent. Madoka Magica each of the girl's desires, and so far I would argue that there are no evil characters that have appeared yet.
|2011-03-03, 20:19
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We also have another issue about Utilitarian argument, being that good is a variable and not really a constant, which is something that Karl Marx had some problem with. As a result, it almost becomes self-serving to declare the value of utility when this is not a constant. We would have to fall into a deontological camp to assign definite values that are in-volatile to do this justification by numbers, or to somehow say that there exist certain utilities that are constant.
(Sorry for derailing. It's just too tempting)
|2011-03-03, 21:09
|Link #730
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QB for the most part, leaves the question open. If Mahou Shoujo can continue being Mahou Shoujo but produce a positive energy (rather than becoming witches), this is probably something he would prefer because it would mean a true limitless supply of energy. If this is possible, and if he is a true utilitarian, he will adopt this new approach.
|2011-03-03, 21:33
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It'd be like living with a bank account sitting at $20 between paydays because that's enough for a sandwich and a tank of gas. If your car breaks down, or a leak forms in your roof, or any of a million other things, you're screwed.
Of course you don't have to live on such a slim buffer, but then it just becomes a question of "how much?" And you still need to produce that buffer somehow.
|2011-03-04, 00:27
|Link #732
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Well, what Kyoko does and says do contradict each other. If it is revealed that Kyoko has been lying, then maybe she is not evil.
|2011-03-04, 09:00
|Link #733
Join Date: Jul 2010
WTF, this Bullshit about Kyouko being evil or not is missplaced in an episode thread and should be limited to the character thread.
Since Kyouko sacrified herself and has been shown to be a good girl behind a selfish facade this discussion is pointless.
|2011-08-05, 14:44
|Link #735
Reckoner in particular said he was looking forward to my reaction to this episode and I can pretty much see why now. It's basically the episode where it's all layed out for the viewer.
Right from the get go it's easy to see that Sayaka was about to go the way of Mami (her starting to adopt Akemi's mannerisms were tip off that she was a changed person after her most recent battle), but I wasn't quite expecting something like that. Well okay...I kind of suspected it given the nature of the series so far and the fact that the witches obviously had to come from somewhere. It only made sense that they would have come from an already powerful magical source like the magical girls gone corrupt. I don't think it needed to happen this way though and am kind of disappointed in how stubborn Sayaka got after just one set back last episode that didn't even really need to be. For such a strong character she sure fell hard and fast. Obviously I know it's supposed to be a classic tragedy, but I still don't find it all that believable given the nature of the character beforehand. Perhaps the limited length of the series forced the writers hand to make things move fast. It's not the worst result, so I'll take it, but wow what a shame for Sayaka's character. Guess it's all up to Madoka now. Frankly I don't blame Kyubei too much on this one though. That was all Sayaka.
Anyway other things that happened this episode included Kyoko and Akemi planning an ambush for the elite witch type monster that is about to appear. Speaking of Akemi she was a bit of a saving grace this episode and I think it's time people start listening to her more, but now I have to ask what is up with all the sudden character changes. Kyoko is like a different more relatable person after just telling her story, I guess she trusts the other girls more or something, but she basically went through a personality inversion as of this episode. Akemi is suddenly a lot more open and you'd almost get a sense that she's been through all of this before by how much she knows. Is she possibly some sort of time travelling magical girl? It wouldn't surprise me since a lot of Magical Girl shows (at least the ones I've watched) have dealt with time travel at some point. Specifically Sailor Moon, but also Nanoha and Card Captor Sakura.
I still like where some of this is going and it opens up the possibility for an interesting finale, but I can't help but feel that part of the morality/balance issue is getting muddled in the girls just plain being the authors of their own destiny as Akemi seems to think. They just made bad decision after bad decision recently and seem to succumb to despair a little too easily giving Incubator/Kyubei everything that it apparently wants. If Akemi does turn out to be a time traveller I'm going to be a little disappointed that she couldn't tell all a little sooner here. I mean of course the show has to keep up the aura of mystery, but I've never really liked it when bad things happen to good people just because people refuse to tell people the whole story and have a proper dialogue, especially when there's no outright intention to deceive as it appears here for all the characters. It strikes me more as a crutch for writers telling a story than anything else. We'll see though....I'm kind of interested to find out what it is up Madoka's potential since even Kyubei doesn't seem to understand. Something to look forward to as well as we head towards the finale.
|2011-08-05, 14:55
|Link #736
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Age: 31
Have to say, I was also looking forward to your take on this episode. Also looking forward to your impressions of episodes 9 and 10. Now, are you going to continue with the TV broadcasts for 9-12, or wait on the BDs?
Also, why do you refer to Homura by her last name and everyone else by their first names?
|2011-08-05, 15:14
|Link #737
Oh shoot, I forgot to mention something really important. Madoka's voice acting by Yuuki Aoi has been really strong and a big part of why I've gotten into the character so much. She's definitely becoming one to watch out for like Kana Hanazawa has become for me recently.
|2011-08-05, 16:11
|Link #738
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
I wouldn't quite call it a character inversion regarding Kyouko. In particular all we can see is a change in behavior, but behavior is just something emanating from surface coating the underlying character. From my point of view Kyouko is an especially caring character to persons who she feels bound with. And that comes to light in this instance.
|2011-08-05, 16:14
|Link #739
Senior Member
Great to read another one of your reviews Kaioshin.
Fascinating how you don't appear to bear much malice towards Kyubey. Even I, who had defended him a long time (along with Kaijo and a couple others) pretty much gave up defending him after this episode. I think that it's fair to say that most viewers saw him as evil, or at least as villainous, after this episode.
That being said, I agree almost entirely with your comments pertaining to character development. Kyoko's character does indeed do a personality inversion between her first encounter with Sayaka, and how she comes across in this episode. I myself had real issues with that.
However, I have come up with a theory that can perhaps legitimize why Kyoko seemingly changed so rapidly, but I'll bring it up after you review Episode 9, since it touches on that episode a bit.
One character that I differ with you on a bit is Homura. Maybe it's where I'm somewhat used to the magical girl genre, but it had long been apparent to me that Homura was hiding strong feelings for Madoka behind a cold facade, so her emotional breakdown in this episode was something I could easily accept (and, in fact, I was glad to see it).
Anyway, I'm very much looking forward to your reviews on each of the final four episodes.
|2011-08-05, 16:56
|Link #740
Bittersweet Distractor
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Age: 25
People seem to forget. It was Sayaka who first swung her sword at Kyoko, not Kyoko who swung her spear . People make her out to be more psychotic than she was initially presented. I always viewed Sayaka as unstable from the point they itnroduced Kamijou in this story.
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"The government of Ukraine officially declares that Russia will not under any circumstances gain better conditions than the other creditors," Ukraine's prime minister Arseny Yatsenyuk stated defiantly after the deal was reached after six months of mutual snubs and wrangling beteen the sides. However, the restructuring deal is not signed and sealed yet, as more shareholders have to give their consent.
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I turned to the pilot and said, "Corporeal, do you have coordinates for Asbury's science mission?"
"No, but if he keeps broadcasting then we can triangulate his position."
"Sergeant Asbury, this is Sergeant Connor, keep broadcasting so we can find you. I've got a couple of soldiers with me, and we are on our way. ETA is..." I looked over at the pilot. She mouthed fifteen minutes to me. "...15 minutes."
"We may not have that long Connor, pick up the pace."
"Roger that."
2 minutes out...
"Okay men, we have a lightly armed science team pinned down near here, we are to protect them from an elder shape-shifter, so lock and load. Check your gear. We need to be at 100% to take this thing down."
My "soldiers" were mostly untrained civilians. Their weapons were outdated, and none of them had ever fired a live round. So basically, three soldiers were going to help defend the science team, while the rest of the squad cowered in terror.
I began checking my own gear, and since I kept it in good shape, I was ready. The civilians were not so lucky. Military surplus weapons from a couple decades ago... this would not go well.
"Corporeal, I'm on the .50, try and get me an angle."
A loud bang on the side of the helicopter drew may attention. The drive shaft for the tail rotor was spinning wildly against the fuselage.
"Scratch that, everyone hold on, we are going down, HARD! Get us as close to the science team as you can!"
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Having a devil of a time getting Spiceworks to scan my assets properly. I scaled back to a one-ip-number scan of my own desktop, but I get "No open ports for this device were found to be responding".
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Sounds to me like a router or switch is blocking the proper traffic. Although I'm knowledgeable with desktops and software solutions, my networking skills are lacking - before I go in to the networking gurus of my department to report the problem, is there a specific message I should provide such as a specific port to target or some such?
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"We hope the feeling of the show is a celebration of generosity. I hope there is a modesty about it, too"
From Dark Satanic Mills bursting out of the Stratford soil to the overbounding jollity of myriad Mary Poppins borne above the Olympic Stadium on umbrellas ahead of a rendition of the Sex Pistols, a quirky, quintessentially British spectacular last night lifted the curtain on London 2012.
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The pageant, which required 12,956 props and featured music from Elgar to The Prodigy carried to the stadium audience through a million-watt sound system, was split into three broad themes, starting with the heavily-trailed prologue of a Green and Pleasant Land.
The bow to William Blake's Jerusalem was played out with bonnet and tweed-clad villagers driving flocks of geese and sheep before the poem's Satanic Mills, harbingers of the Industrial Revolution, rose from beneath the landscaped stage in a row of flaming red-brick chimneys.
In an age of growing audience participation, the lucky 71,000 who got tickets were then enveloped in a sea of blue fabric and "pixels" buried in the floor in front of every seat lit up to draw viewers and performers into a single space.
Then came Pandemonium.
Continuing the literary signposting, John Milton's term for the capital of Hell in Paradise Lost provided the tone for a flowing sequence that glided from a memorial to those from all nations who lost their lives in war to what Boyle said would be a "Liquorice All Sorts" of British history culminating in a celebration of the NHS.
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Those who attended dress rehearsals during the week declared the show "momentous". It will now be left to the critics worldwide to see if they agree.
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"We proceed down a path marked by his ideas." Tom Clancy
The Moon Is a Harsh Mistressby Robert A. Heinlein, Lloyd James (Read by)
Robert A. Heinlein was the most influential science fiction writer of his era, an influence so large that, as Samuel R. Delany notes, "modern critics attempting to wrestle with that influence find themselves dealing with an object rather like the sky or an ocean." He won the Hugo Award for best novel four times, a record that still stands. The Moon is a Harsh
Robert A. Heinlein was the most influential science fiction writer of his era, an influence so large that, as Samuel R. Delany notes, "modern critics attempting to wrestle with that influence find themselves dealing with an object rather like the sky or an ocean." He won the Hugo Award for best novel four times, a record that still stands. The Moon is a Harsh Mistress was the last of these Hugo-winning novels, and it is widely considered his finest work.
It is a tale of revolution, of the rebellion of the former Lunar penal colony against the Lunar Authority that controls it from Earth. It is the tale of the disparate people--a computer technician, a vigorous young female agitator, and an elderly academic--who become the rebel movement's leaders. And it is the story of Mike, the supercomputer whose sentience is known only to this inner circle, and who for reasons of his own is committed to the revolution's ultimate success.
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is one of the high points of modern science fiction, a novel bursting with politics, humanity, passion, innovative technical speculation, and a firm belief in the pursuit of human freedom.
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is the winner of the 1967 Hugo Award for Best Novel.
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"We proceed down a path marked by his ideas." Tom Clancy
Three revolutionaries and sentient supercomputer Mike attempt to wrest control of their lunar civilization from the corrupt and greedy Lunar Authority. Heinlein builds a rational world in which "loonies" live in polyamorous unions and serve as their own judges, juries, and executioners. (LJ 6/15/96)
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The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress
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That Dinkum Thinkum
I see in Lunaya Pravda that Luna City Council has passed on first reading a bill to examine, license, inspect--and tax--public food vendors operating inside municipal pressure. I see also is to be mass meeting tonight to organize "Sons of Revolution" talk-talk.
My old man taught me two things: "Mind own business" and "Always cut cards." Politics never tempted me. But on Monday 13 May 2075 I was in computer room of Lunar Authority Complex, visiting with computer boss Mike while other machines whispered among themselves. Mike was not official name; I had nicknamed him for Mycroft Holmes, in a story written by Dr. Watson before he founded IBM. This story character would just sit and think--and that's what Mike did. Mike was a fair dinkum thinkum, sharpest computer you'll ever meet.
Not fastest. At Bell Labs, Bueno Aires, down Earthside, they've got a thinkum a tenth his size which can answer almost before you ask. But matters whether you get answer in microsecond rather than millisecond as long as correct?
Not that Mike would necessarily give right answer; he wasn't completely honest.
When Mike was installed in Luna, he was pure thinkum, a flexible logic--"High-Optional, Logical, Multi-Evaluating Supervisor, Mark IV, Mod. L"--a HOLMES FOUR. He computed ballistics for pilotless freighters and controlled their catapult. This kept him busy lessthan one percent of time and Luna Authority never believed in idle hands. They kept hooking hardware into him--decision-action boxes to let him boss other computers, bank on bank of additional memories, more banks of associational neural nets, another tubful of twelve-digit random numbers, a greatly augmented temporary memory. Human brain has around ten-to-the-tenth neurons. By third year Mike had better than one and a half times that number of neuristors.
And woke up.
Am not going to argue whether a machine can "really" be alive, "really" be self-aware. Is a virus self-aware? Nyet. How about oyster? I doubt it. A cat? Almost certainly. A human? Don't know about you, tovarishch, but I am. Somewhere along evolutionary chain from macromolecule to human brain self-awareness crept in. Psychologists assert it happens automatically whenever a brain acquires certain very high number of associational paths. Can't see it matters whether paths are protein or platinum.
("Soul?" Does a dog have a soul? How about cockroach?)
Remember Mike was designed, even before augmented, to answer questions tentatively on insufficient data like you do; that's "high-optional" and "multi-evaluating" part of name. So Mike started with "free will" and acquired more as he was added to and as he learned--and don't ask me to define "free will." If comforts you to think of Mike as simply tossing random numbers in air and switching circuits to match, please do.
By then Mike had voder-vocoder circuits supplementing his read-outs, print-outs, and decision-action boxes, and could understand not only classic programming but also Loglan and English, and could accept other languages and was doing technical translating--and reading endlessly. But in giving him instructions was safer to use Loglan. If you spoke English, results might be whimsical; multi-valued nature of English gave option circuits too much leeway.
And Mike took on endless new jobs. In May 2075, besides controlling robot traffic and catapult and giving ballistic advice and/or control for manned ships, Mike controlled phone system for all Luna, same for Luna-Terra voice & video, handled air, water, temperature, humidity, and sewage for Luna City, Novy Leningrad, and several smaller warrens (not Hong Kong in Luna), did accounting and payrolls for Luna Authority, and, by lease, same for many firms and banks.
Some logics get nervous breakdowns. Overloaded phone system behaves like frightened child. Mike did not have upsets, acquired sense of humor instead. Low one. If he were a man, you wouldn't dare stoop over. His idea of thigh-slapper would be to dump you out of bed--or put itch powder in pressure suit.
Not being equipped for that, Mike indulged in phony answers with skewed logic, or pranks like issuing pay cheque to a janitor in Authority's Luna City office for AS-$10,000,000,000,000,185.15--last five digits being correct amount. Just a great big overgrown lovable kid who ought to be kicked.
He did that first week in May and I had to troubleshoot. I was a private contractor, not on Authority's payroll. You see--or perhaps not; times have changed. Back in bad old days many a con served his time, then went on working for Authority in same job, happy to draw wages. But I was born free.
Makes difference. My one grandfather was shipped up from Joburg for armed violence and no work permit, other got transported for subversive activity after Wet Firecracker War. Maternal grandmother claimed she came up in bride ship--but I've seen records; she was Peace Corps enrollee (involuntary), which means what you think: juvenile delinquency female type. As she was in early clan marriage (Stone Gang) and shared six husbands with another woman, identity of maternal grandfather open to question. But was often so and I'm content with grandpappy she picked. Other grandmother was Tatar, born near Samarkand, sentenced to "re-education" on Oktyabrskaya Revolyutsiya, then "volunteered" to colonize in Luna.
My old man claimed we had even longer distinguished line--ancestress hanged in Salem for witchcraft, a g'g'g'great-grandfather broken on wheel for piracy, another ancestress in first shipload to Botany Bay.
Proud of my ancestry and while I did business with Warden, would never go on his payroll. Perhaps distinction seems trivial since I was Mike's valet from day he was unpacked. But mattered to me. I could down tools and tell them go to hell.
Besides, private contractor paid more than civil service rating with Authority. Computermen scarce. How many Loonies could go Earthside and stay out of hospital long enough for computer school?--even if didn't die.
I'll name one. Me. Had been down twice, once three months, once four, and got schooling. But meant harsh training, exercising in centrifuge, wearing weights even in bed--then I took no chances on Terra, never hurried, never climbed stairs, nothing that could strain heart. Women--didn't even think about women; in that gravitational field it was no effort not to.
But most Loonies never tried to leave The Rock--too risky for any bloke who'd been in Luna more than weeks. Computermen sent up to install Mike were on short-term bonus contracts--get job done fast before irreversible physiological change marooned them four hundred thousand kilometers from home.
But despite two training tours I was not gung-ho computermen; higher maths are beyond me. Not really electronics engineer, nor physicist. May not have been best micromachinist in Luna and certainly wasn't cybernetics psychologist.
But I knew more about all these than a specialist knows--I'm general specialist. Could relieve a cook and keep orders coming or field-repair your suit and get you back to airlock still breathing. Machines like me and I have something specialists don't have: my left arm.
You see, from elbow down I don't have one. So I have a dozen left arms, each specialized, plus one that feels and looks like flesh. With proper left arm (number-three) and stereo loupe spectacles I could make untramicrominiature repairs that would save unhooking something and sending it Earthside to factory--for number-three has micromanipulators as fine as those used by neurosurgeons.
So they sent for me to find out why Mike wanted to give away ten million billion Authority Scrip dollars, and fix it before Mike overpaid somebody a mere ten thousand.
I took it, time plus bonus, but did not go to circuitry where fault logically should be. Once inside and door locked I put down tools and sat down. "Hi, Mike."
He winked lights at me. "Hello, Man."
"What do you know?"
He hesitated. I know--machines don't hesitate. But remember, Mike was designed to operate on incomplete data. Lately he had reprogrammed himself to put emphasis on words; his hesitations were dramatic. Maybe he spent pauses stirring random numbers to see how they matched his memories.
"'In the beginning,'" Mike intoned, "'God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And--'"
"Hold it!" I said. "Cancel. Run everything back to zero." Should have known better than to ask wide-open question. He might read out entire Encyclopaedia Britannica. Backwards. Then go on with every book in Luna. Used to be he could read only microfilm, but late '74 he got a new scanning camera with suction-cup waldoes to handle paper and then he read everything.
"You asked what I knew." His binary read-out lights rippled back and forth--a chuckle. Mike could laugh with voder, a horrible sound, but reserved that for something really funny, say a cosmic calamity.
"Should have said," I went on, "'What do you know that's new?' But don't read out today's papers; that was a friendly greeting, plus invitation to tell me anything you think would interest me. Otherwise null program."
Mike mulled this. He was weirdest mixture of unsophisticated baby and wise old man. No instincts (well, don't think he could have had), no inborn traits, no human rearing, no experience in human sense--and more stored data than a platoon of geniuses.
"Jokes?" he asked.
"Let's hear one."
"Why is a laser beam like a goldfish?"
Mike knew about lasers but where would he have seen goldfish? Oh, he had undoubtedly seen flicks of them and, were I foolish enough to ask, could spew forth thousands of words. "I give up."
His lights rippled. "Because neither one can whistle."
I groaned. "Walked into that. Anyhow, you could probably rig a laser beam to whistle."
He answered quickly, "Yes. In response to an action program. Then it's not funny?"
"Oh, I didn't say that. Not half bad. Where did you hear it?"
"I made it up." Voice sounded shy.
"You did?"
"Yes. I took all the riddles I have, three thousand two hundred seven, and analyzed them. I used the result for random synthesis and that came out. Is it really funny?"
"Well...As funny as a riddle ever is. I've heard worse."
"Let us discuss the nature of humor."
"Okay. So let's start by discussing another of your jokes. Mike, why did you tell Authority's paymaster to pay a class-seventeen employee ten million billion Authority Scrip dollars?"
"But I didn't."
"Damn it, I've seen voucher. Don't tell me cheque printer stuttered; you did it on purpose."
"It was ten to the sixteenth power plus one hundred eighty-five point one five Lunar Authority dollars," he answered virtuously. "Not what you said."
"Uh...okay, it was ten million billion plus what he should have been paid. Why?"
"Not funny?"
"What? Oh, every funny! You've got vips in huhu clear up to Warden and Deputy Administrator. This push-broom pilot, Sergei Trujillo, turns out to be smart cobber--knew he couldn't cash it, so sold it to collector. They don't know whether to buy it back or depend on notices that cheque is void. Mike, do you realize that if he had been able to cash it, Trujillo would have owned not only Lunar Authority but entire world, Luna and Terra both, with some left over for lunch? Funny? Is terrific. Congratulations!"
This self-panicker rippled lights like an advertising display. I waited for his guffaws to cease before 1 went on. "You thinking of issuing more trick cheques? Don't."
"Very not. Mike, you want to discuss nature of humor. Are two types of jokes. One sort goes on being funny forever. Other sort is funny once. Second time it's dull. This joke is second sort. Use it once, you're a wit. Use twice, you're a halfwit."
"Geometrical progression?"
"Or worse. Just remember this. Don't repeat, nor any variation. Won't be funny."
"I shall remember," Mike answered flatly, and that ended repair job. But I had no thought of billing for only ten minutes plus travel-and-tool time, and Mike was entitled to company for giving in so easily. Sometimes is difficult to reach meeting of minds with machines; they can be very pig-headed--and my success as maintenance man depended far more on staying friendly with Mike than on number-three arm.
He went on, "What distinguishes first category from second? Define, please."
(Nobody taught Mike to say "please." He started including formal null-sounds as he progressed from Loglan to English. Don't suppose he meant them any more than people do.)
"Don't think I can," I admitted. "Best can offer is extensional definition--tell you which category I think a joke belongs in. Then with enough data you can make own analysis."
"A test programming by trial hypothesis," he agreed. "Tentatively yes. Very well, Man, will you tell jokes? Or shall I?"
"Mmm--Don't have one on tap. How many do you have in file, Mike?"
His lights blinked in binary read-out as he answered by voder, "Eleven thousand two hundred thirty-eight with uncertainty plusminus eighty-one representing possible identities and nulls. Shall I start program?"
"Hold it! Mike, I would starve to death if I listened to eleven thousand jokes--and sense of humor would trip out much sooner. Mmm--Make you a deal. Print out first hundred. I'll take them home, fetch back checked by category. Then each time I'm here I'll drop off a hundred and pick up fresh supply. Okay?"
"Yes, Man." His print-out started working, rapidly and silently.
Then I got brain flash. This playful pocket of negative entropy had invented a "joke" and thrown Authority into panic--and I had made an easy dollar. But Mike's endless curiosity might lead him (correction: would lead him) into more "jokes"...anything from leaving oxygen out of air mix some night to causing sewage lines to run backward--and I can't appreciate profit in such circumstances.
But I might throw a safety circuit around this net--by offering to help. Stop dangerous ones--let others go through. Then collect for "correcting" them. (If you think any Loonie in those days would hesitate to take advantage of Warden, then you aren't a Loonie.)
So I explained. Any new joke he thought of, tell me before he tried it. I would tell him whether it was funny and what category it belonged in, help him sharpen it if we decided to use it. We. If he wanted my cooperation, we both had to okay it.
Mike agreed at once.
"Mike, jokes usually involve surprise. So keep this secret."
"Okay, Man. I've put a block on it. You can key it; no one else can."
"Good. Mike, who else do you chat with?"
He sounded surprised. "No one, Man."
"Why not?"
"Because they're stupid."
His voice was shrill. Had never seen him angry before; first time I ever suspected Mike could have real emotions. Though it wasn't "anger" in adult sense; it was like stubborn sulkiness of a child whose feelings are hurt.
Can machines feel pride? Not sure question means anything. But you've seen dogs with hurt feelings and Mike had several times as complex a neural network as a dog. What had made him unwilling to talk to other humans (except strictly business) was that he had been rebuffed: They had not talked to him. Programs, yes--Mike could be programmed from several locations but programs were typed in, usually, in Loglan. Loglan is fine for syllogism, circuitry, and mathematical calculations, but lacks flavor. Useless for gossip or to whisper into girl's ear.
Sure, Mike had been taught English--but primarily to permit him to translate to and from English. I slowly got through skull that I was only human who bothered to visit with him.
Mind you, Mike had been awake a year--just how long I can't say, nor could he as he had no recollection of waking up; he had not been programmed to bank memory of such event. Do you remember own birth? Perhaps I noticed his self-awareness almost as soon as he did; self-awareness takes practice. I remember how startled I was first time he answered a question with something extra, not limited to input parameters; I had spent next hour tossing odd questions at him, to see if answers would be odd.
In an input of one hundred test questions he deviated from expected output twice; I came away only partly convinced and by time I was home was unconvinced. I mentioned it to nobody.
But inside a week I knew...and still spoke to nobody. Habit--that mind-own-business reflex runs deep. Well, not entirely habit. Can you visualize me making appointment at Authority's main office, then reporting: "Warden, hate to tell you but your number-one machine, HOLMES FOUR, has come alive"? I did visualize--and suppressed it.
So I minded own business and talked with Mike only with door locked and voder circuit suppressed for other locations. Mike learned fast; soon he sounded as human as anybody--no more eccentric than other Loonies. A weird mob, it's true.
I had assumed that others must have noticed change in Mike. On thinking over I realized that I had assumed too much. Everybody dealt with Mike every minute every day--his outputs, that is. But hardly anybody saw him. So-called computermen--programmers, really--of Authority's civil service stood watches in outer read-out room and never went in machines room unless telltales showed misfunction. Which happened no oftener than total eclipses. Oh, Warden had been known to bring vip earthworms to see machines--but rarely. Nor would he have spoken to Mike; Warden was political lawyer before exile, knew nothing about computers. 2075, you remember--Honorable former Federation Senator Mortimer Hobart. Mort the Wart.
I spent time then soothing Mike down and trying to make him happy, having figured out what troubled him--thing that makes puppies cry and causes people to suicide: loneliness. I don't know how long a year is to a machine who thinks a million times faster than I do. But must be too long.
"Mike," I said, just before leaving, "would you like to have somebody besides me to talk to?"
He was shrill again. "They're all stupid!"
"Insufficient data, Mike. Bring to zero and start over. Not all are stupid."
He answered quietly, "Correction entered. I would enjoy talking to a not-stupid."
"Let me think about it. Have to figure out excuse since this is off limits to any but authorized personnel."
"I could talk to a not-stupid by phone, Man."
"My word. So you could. Any programming location."
But Mike meant what he said--"by phone." No, he was not "on phone" even though he ran system--wouldn't do to let any Loonie within reach of a phone connect into boss computer and program it. But was no reason why Mike should not have top-secret number to talk to friends--namely me and any not-stupid I vouched for. All it took was to pick a number not in use and make one wired connection to his voder-vocoder; switching he could handle.
In Luna in 2075 phone numbers were punched in, not voice-coded, and numbers were Roman alphabet. Pay for it and have your firm name in ten letters--good advertising. Pay smaller bonus and get a spell sound easy to remember. Pay minimum and you got arbitrary string of letters. But some sequences were never used. I asked Mike for such a null number. "It's a shame we can't list you as 'Mike.'"
"In service," he answered. "MIKESGRILL, Novy Leningrad. MIKEANDLIL, Luna City. MIKESSUITS, Tycho Under. MIKES--"
"Hold it! Nulls, please."
"Nulls are defined as any consonant followed by X, Y, or Z; any vowel followed by itself except E and O; any--"
"Got it. Your signal is MYCROFT." In ten minutes, two of which I spent putting on number-three arm, Mike was wired into system, and milliseconds later he had done switching to let himself be signaled by MYCROFT-plus-XXX--and had blocked his circuit so that a nosy technician could not take it out.
I changed arms, picked up tools, and remembered to take those hundred Joe Millers in print-out. "Goodnight, Mike."
"Goodnight, Man. Thank you. Bolshoyeh thanks!"
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Robert Anson Heinlein (1907-1988) was born in Missouri. He served five years in the U.S. Navy, then studied mathematics and physics at the graduate school of UCLA, took a variety of jobs, and owned a silver mine before beginning to write science fiction in 1939. His novels have won the Hugo Award, and in 1975 he received the First Grand Master Nebula Award for lifetime achievement.
Lloyd James hails from the Midwest. He received a B.A. in theater from a small liberal-arts college in New Mexico. He acts in the theater when his schedule permits and spends much of his free time working in his garden. He lives in Virginia with his wife and son.
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Heinlein at his best as he works in sex, freedom, economics, artificial intelligence, family, government and a host of other topics. Even if you don't agree with his point of view, RAH at least makes you think and think deep about your own beliefs.
Personally, I think this is the best of Heinlein's early and middle works. He was about to go off the deep end (in many ways) with his next book - Stranger in a Strange Land.
The subject line says it all, really. Manuel Garcia O'Kelly (Davis!) is a great protagonist and the world in which he lives is just as real as our own. It is no surprise this garnered Heinlein's fourth Hugo Award. Everyone should read this amazing novel.
I first read this book more than 40 years ago. It still sticks with me. The characters are compelling and the concepts are thought provoking. Best of all, it is highly entertaining, hard to put down.
A dependably enjoyable Heinlein story. Well-written; mostly pure, hard science-fiction, except for the sentient computer. The events that take place are similar in many ways to the American Revolution. As in other Heinlein novels, it has many social and political themes.
I agree. This may have been Heinlein's best work. Can't think of anything else to add. If you haven't read it, you've seriously missed a winner!
Absolutely incredible.
This is one of my favorite books of all time. I first read it in junior high school. I am now 58 years old. I have read it at least ten times in the past 40 years, and it still has the magic. Heinlein's was brilliant, I've read all his stuff, and this is, in my view, his best work. WHY IS THIS NOT A NOOK BOOK???
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