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Apr 3, 2012 at 6:36 pm #1288273
We (2 of us) normally backpacking with an 8 x 10 ID flat tarp. We sleep under the stars if we can, but sometimes it looks like rain (or actually rains!) or it's too cold or windy, so we always bring the tarp and set it up if needed. For the last few years we've been getting by with deet and headnets for mosquitoes. (So far we haven't visited black fly country.)
A couple of times recently we've found ourselves really wishing for more mosquito protection. Last summer on the John Muir Trail, on some sections the mosquitoes were overwhelming. We managed by keeping headnets on and staying in our sleeping bags in camp, but it was a drag. And here in Texas we get that warm weather, too warm to stay in even a light sleeping bag, but perfect for swarms. For example this last weekend on the Lone Star Hiking Trail–didn't really need the tarp or the sleeping bag, just some netting.
Looking at commercially available net tents (like from BearPaw or SMD), they look very nice and we could theoretically afford one, but they seem to be overkill for what we want. Don't need the bathtub floor and all the zippers…
I am thinking of doing just a kind of "triangular tube" with mesh drapes at the ends. We could still lay our polycryo groundsheets under it to prevent snagging. The upper corners could be tied to the top corners of the tarp where they tie into the poles.
Searching this MYOG forum doesn't bring up much for making net tents. Has anyone experimented with this? What fabric did you use? Are there construction issues I need to know ahead of time? Since this would only be used occasionally, and we are old enough to have to really watch our (pack) weight, I'd prefer a pretty thin fabric.
Thanks for any ideas out there!Apr 3, 2012 at 6:52 pm #1863308
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I have made a few mesh tents, the mesh usually weighs between 0.7-1.0 oz/yd, of course I always choose the 0.7. It can be as cheap as $5.00 per yard in rolls of about 54-63 inches wide. It is easy to sew on my machine and you can use Velcro tabs to keep pseudo doors closed. Are you looking to make like a golite shangri-la 2 nest with no floor? Should be easy and cheap.
PS: I was on a 25 mi section of the JMT last summer and the mozzies were crazy, not Alaska crazy but persistent.Apr 3, 2012 at 8:59 pm #1863367
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@sbhikesLocale: Santa Barbara (Name: Diane)
I bought mosquito netting from Colghan's (Is that how you spell it?) and sewed it myself without a floor. I have no sewing skills and didn't know what on earth I was doing. I have to lift a corner to get in. If the ground is too lumpy or irregular, there are gaps between the edges and the ground and I have to set all my stuff around the edges to close the gaps. But it works and it isn't too heavy. I have no idea what the weight is. I don't have a pattern or anything. I totally winged it.Apr 4, 2012 at 6:52 am #1863437
Thanks, Kaleb and Piper! That is just the sort of information I was looking for. I'll do a web search for noseeum mesh. Piper, your net tent looks pretty much like what I have in mind. I hadn't thought about leaving it open on the bottom and just lifting the edge to crawl in. Looks like a good idea to me, less chance of accidentally leaving a door open. Putting stuff on edges is no big deal, we do that kind of thing all the time. I'll report back when I have some progress on this project. Thanks again!Apr 4, 2012 at 12:15 pm #1863596
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@sbhikesLocale: Santa Barbara (Name: Diane)
Glad it's helpful. I used mosquito netting instead of noseeum netting. It was about $3 a piece and I think it took me 3 pieces to make this little one-person tent. Plus some tulle fabric from the fabric store for the bottom edges. I can sit up inside this thing and strum my strumstick (like a small guitar) so it's plenty spacious. It does take some contorting to get in and out.Apr 4, 2012 at 2:17 pm #1863659
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The 1.0 oz/yd material is usually referred to as noseeum while the 0.7 oz/yd material is called nanoseeum. Joe at ZPacks sells nanoseeum in 63" roll widths for $8/linear yard.Apr 7, 2012 at 7:16 pm #1864855
Thanks for the possible netting sources! A web search mostly turns up finished products. I'll post when I have some progress on getting something made.
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Thank you, George.
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Did anyone out there play Chinese Skipping ( no racial slur intended)? Mom sure hated it when we made off with all her elastic. I could do Hipsies then, even made it to Waistsies a couple of times, I'd be lucky not to sprain my ankle on Ankles now
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I'm using script for IE6, in which I'm already using this replication of
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which is then used in IE6-only styles as
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I can replace
li:hover>a with
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li:hover>ul with
No need to simulate anything, simply repeat the style rules in IE6-only part using replacement class selectors and…that's it. You can of course update the script and add replacements for other advanced selectors, but this is basically all that I ever needed in menu styling.
CSS changes
The whole thing started with IE7 problems with
display property. I recoded CSS to use
visibility instead, but then Safari went scrollbars-crazy - it was due to this:
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I then tried this:
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but IE7 ignored
z-index change. Now really on the end of my nerves, I coded horrible positioning trickery (horizontal bottom-top variant was the worst) to minimize all problems. Luckily, good man David pin-pointed solution for IE7's
li:hover issue.
At this point, I was so happy :) that it's no wonder ideas sparked all over the place and dust was off the mind corner where replacement class selectors peacefully nap.
Wrap up
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Please see here for Round One, where I assess Bishop Spong's claim about "suppression" of an early Christian memory of a non-traitorous Judas in the inner circle of Jesus' followers.
"The second source" of Bishop Spong's suspicion that Judas Iscariot was created as a fictional character as part of the rise of Chrisitan anti-Semitism, "comes from the fact that the act of betrayal by a member of the twelve disciples is not found in the earliest Christian writings."
This of course depends totally on the strength of whatever dating and source theories Bishop Spong holds concerning Gospel composition. If any of them (all of which contain detailed narrative affirmation about Judas Iscariot's treachery) date before 64 CE, then the character and treachery of Judas is contemporaneous with what he accepts as the Pauline corpus. While pre-70 dates for Gospel compositions are controversial, they aren't quite as rare in the field as a casual reader might excusably think; and except for a few hypersceptical Jesus Myth proponents (who are busy trying to resuscitate some old fringe theories about mid-2nd century compositions), the general trend (insofar as there has been a trend) in the past several decades has been toward earlier and earlier dating of the Gospels as completed works--a trend made somewhat socially acceptable even among liberal scholars by the now-classic work of J. A. T. Robinson (who in his Redating the New Testament argued that there was no compelling reason to date any of the NT texts as having been composed after 70CE--while grousing about how he knew this was going to give comfort to "the conservatism of the committed" if not to "the fundamentalism of the fearful"! It should be fairly noted, too, that he did not consider any inferences he reached to conclusively close the issues, but rather intended the whole work to open discussion and educate readers on the wider range of opinions that have always been held in the scholarly fraternity concerning the compositional dating of the texts: a goal he can fairly be said to have accomplished.)
While arguing on various grounds for the acceptance of dating of any (or all?) the Gospels pre-70 would obviously weigh against Bishop Spong's theory on this point (even conclusively, insofar as those dates are accepted), I have no intention of doing so in this analysis; mainly because that would be a book-length effort in itself, but also partly because I doubt the effort would conclusively succeed. For purposes of immediate analysis, I have no problem provisionally accepting the compositional order and dating which Bishop Spong himself is willing to accept; which, it must be fairly said, is far from controversial in the field.
On the other hand: if any of the Gospels, although composed (and/or collected) post 70, involve source narrative details in existence between 50 and 64 (not to say earlier!), then those source narrative details might just as easily include the treachery of Judas Iscariot as data contemporaneous with (or even prior to) the Pauline corpus. Scholars all across the ideological spectrum (except for the very far right--and, ironically, on the very far left) typically agree that the Synoptic Gospels (at least, and maybe GosJohn, too) are largely or completely composed of pre-70 source material. Considering the principle of historical charity (where ancient source data, at least where it demonstrates intent of histiography, is given preliminary credence unless we have solid reason to doubt it); and considering that the existence and treachery of Judas Iscariot would hardly seem challenging to anyone's worldview (such that his existence and behavior would be constrained against--and Bishop Spong certainly gives no indication that the historicity of Iscariot would be constrained against by his worldview); the burden of proof, or at least of suspicion, has to be on the historical detractor. Do we have good reasons for considering the Iscariot material to absolutely not predate the composition of the first Gospel (i.e. GosMark, on the standard popular reckoning accepted by Bishop Spong)?
Bishop Spong does consider the existence of source material prior to the authorship of the Gospels. But he does this by leaning heavily on Q, a hypothetically reconstructed sayings source text. Why exactly anyone would expect to find much narrative detail, in a text (if it existed at all) primarily dedicated as a sayings repository (somewhat like the Gospel of Thomas and many later apocryphal Gospels), is not discussed in his suspicions for why the narrative of Judas Iscariot isn't found in this hypothetical sayings source.
Bishop Spong also neglects to mention that the Q-material, where GosMatt and GosLuke share material not found in GosMark, has plenty of narrative bits and isn't only a sayings source unless it is stratified according to various presuppositional theories of composition (classically exemplified by Kloppenborg). Be that as it may, the basic criteria for suggesting Q in the first place excludes by hypothesis any mention of the treachery of Judas Iscariot--since GosMark talks as much about that as anyone! (Not only in the Passion narrative, which is itself excluded from Q even before comparing Matt and Luke to find inclusions apart from Mark, but in the Synoptic accounts of the calling of the Twelve which due to their triple-tradition similarity are again excluded by the criteria.)
It can be retorted that the Q criteria isn't trying to exclude Judas; it just happens to do so, thus showing that the treachery of Iscariot isn't part of this early Christian document.
This would carry more weight if, first, the Q theory was supposed to be exhaustive of what the Q doc contained--but it cannot be, except again by hypothesis: a point obviously illustrated by the fact that modern scholars have themselves 'created' a 'Q doc' from written sources used in teaching and worship by congregations, which sources obviously contain very much more than Q! (Plus, on any composition scheme, the Synoptic authors obviously didn't rely on Q alone, either, assuming they used a Q doc in the first place and assuming Q was only the sapiential sayings, micro-narrative pericopes and temptation narrative common to Luke and Matt minus Mark--and minus the Passion narrative material.)
And second, this would only carry weight if the Q doc of the Q theory was supposed to be exhaustive of the material (oral or written) used by the early church. There are theories of Q (mainly deployed by super-liberal scholars) which do go this distance, but the weight can only be as strong as those theories--which are widely regarded as very weak outside super-liberal scholarship (such as the former Jesus Seminar.)
Here, a point from Round One resurfaces again as well: Bishop Spong doesn't mention, that on his accepted and applied dating/composition scheme, the non-traitorous Judas doesn't appear (assuming he "replaces" Thaddeus) until substantially after the first appearance of the traitorous Judas in textual composition (i.e., in GosLuke, a good 15-20 years after GosMark's composition). If a lack of mention of some traitor in pre-Gospel non-narrative material is supposed to be evidence for suspicion of his actual historicity, why isn't the historicity of the other non-traitorous Judas apostle (who never appears in Q material either) even more suspicious?!
If Bishop Spong knows why not, he doesn't bother to say so in this chapter. (Though perhaps he does so elsewhere.)
So, insofar as "Q" goes, the lack of mention of Iscariot (much moreso his treachery) is not weighty. For that matter, strictly speaking, on Bishop Spong's dating scheme for the actually extant Gospels, the only extant "Q" material we know of postdates the first appearance of Iscariot in the New Testament material! And by as much as ten whole years!--maybe fifteen! (Bishop Spong accepts a date for GosMatt's composition at 82-85 CE.) The "sayings source" material could have been "invented" after GosMark was written--if we are going to be "suspicious" about purportedly "historical" material in the Gospels on the ground of it being "introduced" in some sort of "developing" sequence. (Assuming the popularly accepted composition order of Mark, Matt, Luke and John is even correct, of course.)
An appeal to Q material will turn up again, by the way, later in this Round. But first, Bishop Spong will be going to the Pauline corpus.
[Next time, in part 2 of 3 for this Round: Bishop Spong positively argues from what St. Paul doesn't say about Iscariot.]
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Please see here for Round One, where I assess Bishop Spong's claim about "suppression" of an early Christian memory of a non-traitorous Judas in the inner circle of Jesus' followers.
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Nice article Jason.
The trend continues to move away from those who hold to a Q source (Goodacre being of course the most well-known post-Q scholar), but a main reason for the move has been a better knowledge of Aramaic among NT scholars. The simple fact of the matter is that much of the Second Quest (and its descendants in the Jesus Seminar) are woefully ignorant of Aramaic and its influence on the NT (with rare exceptions such as Bruce Chilton). Thus, they inadequately continue to filter the NT through a much later Greek lens.
It should be noted that those who focus on the Aramaic aspects underlying Mark (Maurice Casey, James Crossley, Steph Fisher, et. al.) keep pushing the date earlier and earlier. They argue for a Markan date in the 30s or early 40s. Just to clarify against those who may claim Christian bias, it should be noted that Casey, Crossley and Fisher are non-Christians, but are forced to follow the Aramaic evidence toward an earlier date.
- Jason Pratt said...
I've seen a lot of criticism about Q source theories, but I have to admit a crit via Aramaic is new to me. If you can think of a good link for a representative article on the subject, I'd be curious to check it out.
(In part 3 of this round, I'll be clarifying that I have nothing against Q theory per se, by the way; I just don't like sloppy and overconvenient use of it. But I'm hardly wedded to the theory, either.)
There are of course some other reasons for at least suspecting a Markan composition date in the 40s or even 30s, too; but I think after a while the push for such early composition starts to run into problems. Source material for the text (in several ways, back to underlying historicity) going back that far, makes more sense to me. At this time. {g}
Good refs, though; thanks!
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Now, for 2014, he has another goal for the city's budget: cutting the grass.
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Scrima said these areas have started to look this way since the state stopped funding the proper maintenance of the grass along these highways a number of years ago.
'They just haven't been taken care of,' Scrima said. 'And it is something that's very visible. We can't count on the state or county to properly maintain these areas, and we can't ask our residents to cut their grass if we don't properly maintain the median and highway areas within city limits.'
Scrima said area municipalities, such as Brookfield, keep its medians and highways looking good through its general city taxes.
He said the difference is apparent when comparing Waukesha's Moreland Boulevard (Highway 18) to Brookfield's Bluemound Road (also Highway 18).
'The City of Brookfield has taken responsibility for that and we believe we can do the same,' Scrima said. 'With the economy now recovering, we ought to fund and oversee the proper maintenance of the median and highway areas within city limits through our 2014 city budget.'
Scrima said due to the tax money realized from new residential and commercial developments in the city the last couple of years, the resources are available.
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Overall, Scrima said taxes shouldn't increase in 2014.
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If you're over 50 and suddenly find yourself out of work, pray you're not job hunting in Scotland. According to recruitment agency Manpower, firms north of the border are among the worst offenders in failing to employ older workers.
In a study of 2,000 companies in 20 sectors, 11% of Scottish firms polled said they did not employ anyone over 50, with 19% saying older employees made up just 1%-5% of their workforce. By comparison, only 2% of firms in the East Midlands and 4% in East Anglia failed to employ anyone over 50, with London and the south east both on 6%.
The issue of age in the workplace is rapidly moving up the political and business agenda. First, there's the changing demographics of the population. The baby boomers of the 60s are approaching retirement age at the same time as fewer younger workers are coming into the workplace.
Medical advances also mean people are healthier and living for longer, raising expectations of what they can achieve in their 60s and 70s. Then there's the pensions crisis, sparked by the mis-selling scandals of the 80s and 90s. Falling stock markets over the past couple of years, diminishing pension investments and in turn prompting many firms to scrap higher-paying but more expensive final salary schemes, have compounded the situation.
Either way, workers of all ages, but particularly those in their 30s and 40s, are suddenly waking up to the fact they may have to work well beyond the traditional 65 if they want a comfortable retirement.
Yet, despite the best efforts of enlightened employers - retailers such as B&Q and Asda are probably the best known for hiring older workers - getting and staying in work once you've passed 50 remains an uphill struggle for many.
"Some employers are less likely to dispose of older people," concedes Eric Reid, chairman of the Association of Retired and Persons over 50. "But the ability of older people to obtain work once they are over 50 is still pretty much nil."
There are a variety of reasons for such prejudice, he argues. Bosses often fear an older worker will cost more in salary, pension and occupational health insurance than a younger employee.
Then they worry about integrating older workers if they have a predominantly younger workforce, believe they will not be up to speed with new technology, will be less mouldable, inflexible in their thinking and less able to move around the country. Beyond that, there's often simply a sense that, if you're over 50, you're somehow "past it".
Unlike the majority of European Union members, which either already have or are near to having age discrimination legislation in place, all Britain has is a voluntary code of conduct.
"At the moment the government is almost giving out the message that it encourages age discrimination," argues Mr Reid. This will change in four years' time when the EU Employment Directive, which covers age discrimination, becomes law. One point yet to be resolved is whether the government intends to abolish a mandatory retirement age.
Some firms have unilaterally taken this route, and it is seen by groups such as Employers' Forum on Age as a key first step in encouraging firms to make better use of older workers.
A study of 20 organisations by the forum last month found they unanimously believed the introduction of flexible retirement policies had helped to improve recruitment and retention. If older staff were given more choice over how and when they retired, they said, they were more likely to stay longer.
"The trend is definitely in favour of older workers at the moment. The employers we are working with are very much looking to employ age-diverse workers," says Sam Mercer, campaigns director.
The Manpower statistics, part of its quarterly survey of employment prospects, in part bear this out. On average, 6% of companies around the country said they employed no one aged 50 or over. But when you got to the 10%-25% category the numbers rose sharply, with 37% of firms saying they fell into this category and 20% saying up to half their staff were over 50.
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"I think my age was part of it. The situation for older workers is supposed to be getting better but my experience is that probably it is not. I know of other teachers younger than myself, in their mid-40s or 50s, who cannot get permanent jobs," she says.
Yet older workers, say supporters, are generally more loyal, committed, punctual, worldly wise and empathetic than their younger counterparts, particularly where they deal with members of the public. Often, too, with children grown up or moved away, they will have fewer family commitments than, say, a 30-year-old.
"The benefit of getting someone in their 50s is that you are likely to retain them for longer than someone in their 20s. There is a greater awareness around that they are a good deal," explains Sally Russell, principal consultant at HR consultancy RightCoutts.
But it is important older workers take responsibility as well as employers, she argues. "Individuals sometimes view themselves as having x number of years to go. So it can be about raising awareness and focusing their attention on the advantages of keeping working," she says.
A clear financial case can often be made for the benefits of employing older workers, too. In the first four months of this year, Northern Rock's Newcastle mortgage call centre, for instance, cut the number of people leaving by 27%, compared with the same period last year and saw absenteeism rates fall.
"We have advertisements specifically geared towards recruiting the over-50s age group. Our retirement age is 60, but we try to retain people wherever we can in a similar role. Even some staff who have retired still work for us on an ad hoc basis," says assistant HR director Lynne Griffin.
The 2006 legislation will mean many employers will have to tear up the rule book on how they plan their pensions, hiring and redundancy policies. Ms Mercer believes draft legislation will need to be published by 2004.
But the changes it will bring will far outweigh the cost of upheaval. And socially, morally and, particularly, economically they are long overdue, she argues. "It is plain common sense. Do your maths; where are your staff going to come from?"


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"Like a crescent moon, your smile lights up the dark. Like electricity, your personality creates a spark. Within me, it leaves a mark and like a treasure inside the X on my heart."
Ellie sat beside her purple, flowery backpack and stared. She held the note softly between her smooth hands and re-read the sentences, line by line. A warm bubbly sensation climbed upwards from the depths of her diaphragm to the centrefolds of her chest. It seemed strange to her, she had never discovered this feeling before today. The note was simply left between the zippers and stuck in the black crook. It hung out like a bright pink tongue from the mouth of a canine without any teeth. Class ended thirty seconds ago, yet it was this poem that stopped Ellie in her tracks and forced her to stay for just a moment more. Buses were to be called soon, yet this text made it seem like they were to be called in a century's time. Ellie fantasized about the written work.
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Is this actually true? The thought of someone taking time to sit down, place a writing instrument in their hand, circle ideas and thoughts within their mind to ultimately display a simple yet satisfying set of descriptive sentences; all solely done for the purpose of pleasing a person emotionally. It's strange how this social messaging works. It barely enters the very definition of social. Social implies that two parties are together in corrugated conversation where they can trade ideas and opinions while in each other's presence. Yet, as Ellie scanned the land ahead not one individual was taking notice of her or what she was doing. Therefore, no one was in her presence. So, what did the writer think would come from this deluded illustration? That Ellie would simply befriend or be attracted to him all in the name of 'love' even though the authors name isn't printed down? Why would he go to all this trouble without even mentioning credit for himself? A masterpiece needs a composer, just as much as a composer needs an audience. It was definitely a baffling set of circumstances, as if all earthly logic had been 'thrown out the window' and ignored completely. Yet, maybe this is a sign of weakness and insecurity. Did he, the mystery writer, think that Ellie was simply too different or separated from his type of lifestyle to be even associated with her? Or maybe, in a wretched attempt to win over her affection he simply aimed for the 'bigger goal', a slight chance that this message could follow on to more advanced properties; a possible sexual relation. Why couldn't he just approach her, talk to her, tell her how he felt. It does seem that when people talk about such unveilings it quickly becomes silenced; almost taboo.
The large intercom called upon the riders of the vehicle titled 'Bus 11'.
Humans are odd creatures, Ellie concluded before grabbing her bag and shuffling to her bus.


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In the Budget Session of the Parliament scheduled next month, the home ministry would introduce a bill named West Bengal (Alteration of Name) Act 2014, and the Centre would notify the same after taking th president's consent.
The proposal to change the state's name was sent in 2011
S Suresh Kumar, Joint Secretary (Centre-State), the Ministry of Home Affairs, confirmed the Centre's stand on the matter, the report added. He said the state officers have also been informed about it. According to Kumar, a step will be initiated as soon as the state government writes to the Centre on the matter. It may be mentioned here that the state government had sent the proposal to the Centre in September 2011, four months after Mamata Banerjee's Trinamool Congress came to power.
The decision to change the name of the state has created controversy. While many have raised question over the justification of such decision since it involves huge changes at administrative levels, those in favour of it said it would help the state's ranking in important federal meetings and ensure that the state gets its issues addressed.
The name of the state capital, Calcutta, was changed to Kolkata in 2000.
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