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There are no reputable smiths that I know of that will do trigger work on them. There was a thread over on the S&W site where a couple of guys had them down to about 31/2lbs pull.
People do all sorts of modifications to Glocks and such and I've never felt the need to modify anything on any of my guns except the sights. However, people say all sorts of things about the Sigma trigger. Is there anyone reputable doing mods on this trigger and how much can it be (SAFELY and without affecting reliability) improved?
Thanks for any input.
There are no reputable smiths that I know of that will do trigger work on them. There was a thread over on the S&W site where a couple of guys had them down to about 31/2lbs pull.
There is no reason that a good smith could not do something good to the trigger on the Sigma..As a matter of fact a carefull owner could with a bit of effort smooth up the fire control parts and have a much better trigger pull..The fact that things get better with use shows that a bit of polishing will do wonders..I would not recomend changing springs,I tried that with a reduced striker spring and it was good for a while then I started to get light strikes..Put the original spring back and it goes bang all the time...
I keep reading about the long pull of the trigger. I have to get to the range and see if all is true. I cant wait to put some rounds down range.
Dry-fire it and you will find out before you get to the range.
I'm a Sigma advocate. Just got back from throwing 150 rounds downrange with my .VE 40.
I have had my S&W Sigma 40VE for over 1 year. I had put 1,500 rounds through it but the trigger wasn't loosening up. I sent it out for a trigger job from Tom Novak of Novak's Handgunner Outlet in Latrobe PA. He did a great job and after about 500 rounds, my Sigma now pulls at about 6lbs. compared to the 11 lbs. when I first bought it. Also, the feel is much crisper. I'm now able to shoot 3" groups at 45 feet consistently.
I'll warn you straight off the Mr. Tom Novak is a master craftsman when it comes to handguns. He is also, a really good guy. That said, his business skills are a bit off. Tom doesn't always answer his phone and will sometimes allow his phone messages to pile up. His site www.novakshandgunneroutlet.com is currently down. His number has been changed and the new number is 724-539-5530. If you can get through and make arrangements for Tom to do your work, you will not be disappointed. He added a trigger stop that reduces over travel as well. Total cost of this "Pro Trigger Job" was $105.
I have also talked to shop owners and gunsmiths in Central PA who will replace the spring for a cut down Wolf spring to lighten the pull. Note the stop screw in the back of my trigger that limits overtravel, an added plus.
Also i have read some people taking off the pig tail spring from the rear trigger group and polishing some of the metal parts in that assembly as well worked pretty great.
** do this at your own risk**
**i'll try to post pics when i have time**
I polished the main sear from the rear assembly - held by a frame pin on the poly frame (behind the trigger). Punch that thing out and the whole assembly can be pushed from inside the mag well up or pulled up from the top of the frame. The trigger link bar is holding it so you may need to pull the trigger to let it go.
Next is a set of small punchpins that needed to be removed to access the main sear (wedge in between metal bars) and completely remove it. Once it's removed, I used a dremel tool with the (brown) polishing compund to polish it until you have mirror finish. That small little thing comes in contact with the polymer slope in the housing so smoothing out the sear (slope side, the left and right side, top side/ square part) helps.
NEXT: WARNING !! - i got this from various discussion boards about the sigma.
Removing the pig tail spring and the outer linear spring.
Okay, backtrack a bit - once you pull that assembly out, you'll notice there's a pig tail spring on the bottom held by a punch pin. remove that spring (or don't put it back after step 1 above). that is the BULK of the resistance when pulling the trigger. Now, that assembly has 3 springs. once you remove the pigtail spring, you'll notice a set of springs going up. It looks like one but its actually one OVER the other / 1 inside, one outside. the outside spring is bigger and has more resistance. REMOVE the outer spring and use the small spring only. The small spring is enough to reset the sear, which in turn reset the trigger - MIGHT suffer under extermely rapid fire but my range wouldn't allow rapid fire anyway.
Doing this WILL severely affect the trigger positively or negatively considering it is the ONLY safety this gun has. I might even put one of the linear spring back for my wife (never held a gun before) just in case her finger has the "itch" or find the 4 basic rules too diffucult.
I dry fired it a couple of times after this and man, it is sweet. the pull let off is crisp and was considerably shorter. It's smooth and probably 2-3 lbs lighter, maybe more if you do this from stock (no dry fire, no live rounds). mine has had about 100 rds of dry fire and then 165 rds of live fire, and then some more dry fire before i did this. Hopefully all is well when i go to the range next week to test it out. Doing this hopefully won't affect the striker's strength to hit the primer as it was only the trigger assembly. I dry fired mine with a piece of chopstick in the breech and boy did it fly
I got this mod from the hi-point forum:
Polishing the breech ramp (POLISH - NOT SAND).
I tried to slowly rack and feed an FMJ (WWB) from the mag and it would not feed. It would only feed if you release the slide at full speed as with most autos. Then i stumbled upon a discussion at the hi point forum about how hi points have problems feeding JHP. Their solution was to polish the breech face and ramp. So i tried that and polished the ramp, sides (bottom part only, from 4-6 o'clock position) while i was doing the mods above and was pleased with the results. I can slowly feed an FMJ round nose even doing it at low speed. I haven't tried it with a JHP yet, but it seems like it would work better when i need it.
I am a paintballer and i like to do various mods to improve my gun. I am comfortable with the dremel, putting back small parts when needed, figuring out how things work and selecting which parts to work on. If you're not comfortable at all, don;t try this yourself. Also I'd recommed waiting until i get my gun tested on live rounds for the results. If it works, you just save yourself time and money to have a better working tool.
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yes thanks for the write up.
I just bought a S&W 9mm sigma last week. I have put 500 rounds through it so far. 400 of them were today. An yes I thought about seeing if there was a way to help out with the pull on the trigger. Let us know how this all works thanks a ton later
Its takes 500 rounds and a $100 trigger job to make the Sigma decent? Ill take the extra money and get a pistol with a good trigger?
Allthough my dad got one for $250 with 4 mags, and a streamlight flashlight. That is a damn good deal.
Besides the polish job in an earlier post changing the striker spring will help lower your Sigma a little. Wolff has em.
Alright fellas, this is the update of my prev. post:
The gun is in 100% working condition. not FTFs FTEs whatsoever and it's a joy to shoot. In fact here is a link to the most recent range report i posted at the "firng line". It is VERY accurate. In fact it was the 2nd time i took it to 10 yards plus.
devils: i have "read" that a lighter striker spring will produce failure to fire. The striker will only dimple the primer but not actually cause it to burn the powder. I have not tried it so couldn't say from experience.
nelskc: even a 2000 dollar 1911 needed some break in period. Besides, isn't that the point of having a gun? so you can shoot the hell out of it and if the gun improves over time as an added benefit, hell i'll take what i can get.
How do I install my new Wolff 3.5 striker spring? I can't find anything on the net.
No, it doesn't take 500 rounds and a $100 trigger job. It takes about a half hour of simple work with some crocus cloth and a dremel tool with polishing bits to make it a great gun. If you can't do simple gunsmithing then yes, you're better off purchasing a more expensive weapon.
I have a 9mm Sigma and my only real concern about all these people wanting to lighten up the trigger, especially first time handgun owners, is that this gun was designed to be a service weapon, NOT a target pistol. It was not designed to be shot for hours on end. Of course your index finger and arms will get tired with a pull this heavy after extended use.
When you modify a gun away from spec, don't be surprised when you don't get the satisfactory results. Even Wolff tells you, "Warning: For competition use only - not for duty use." That should be a major tipoff! In other words, if you fall off that rock and break your leg, don't come running to me!
Don't get me wrong, I can certainly appreciate the appeal of a genuine Smith & Wesson pistol for $300.00, but don't make it into something it is not. This gun has been out for awhile and there are plenty of reviews out there so there is no excuse for not knowing what you are getting into. The trigger pull issue is well known, but yet, you (whoever you are) bought one anyway!
OK, so lets assume you knew nothing about the gun before you bought it, why would you keep it if you found it tiresome to use because of the trigger pull? I understand that you own it and now you want to try and make it work better. I get that. With this mod, however, you are not necessarily making the pistol better. If you are lucky and shoot the right ammo, you will have a much more comfortable gun to fire, but don't come back here complaining about misfires.
In my opinion, life is too short to shoot something that you don't like to use. Why not just sell or trade the Sigma and take your lumps. Most major dealers are sold out on this model so you should have not problem getting rid of it.
After you do that, promise yourself that you will do a better job of researching your next purchase BEFORE you lay your cash on the counter. Better yet, see if there is a range that rents guns. That way you can "test drive" a variety of weapons without having to make a long term commitment. Or if you are not shy, see what others are shooting the next time you go to the range and ask to shoot a couple of rounds. Using one or all of these methods, there is no excuse for owning a weapon that does not suit your needs.
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OK, I will get down off my soapbox... for now!
Happy Shooting!
Just call S&W service center and get the Trigger Fixed for Free!!!! I did!
As to trigger mods. The weapon is designed much like the others it looks almost exactly like. It has the heavy pull in place of a real safety. Much like guns that are sent to some states with the heavier pull it was built like that to keep people from being able to say it went off by accident. The 10-12 lb pull means you got to really be wanting to pull the trigger if you make the gun fire.
Like any weapon that you do a trigger job on this will mean you use this weapon as a carry weapon then the lighter trigger can be a liability some believe. I personally don't agree with any of this and that is why I carry a single action pistol with a really light trigger. But I don't go sticking my finger in there like some Hollywood gangster and pointing at everything that moves too.
I've had one of those Sigma pistols and I was one of those people that worked on the trigger. I even added that pesky Wolff spring. I even modified that spring some and went on to carry it for over a year. Thousands of rounds went through it. I eventually sold it and the guy that has it feeds it all the time with no issue to date. I will tell people that the striker spring change has to be watched being it can lead to a light strike over time. But this happens no matter if you change the spring or not. Springs go bad and deed changed. It's part6 of the maintenance of your weapon. Anyone that never changes a spring on a weapon that use often is going to have a problem at some point. It's a moving part after all.
any weapon we choose to use needs to be well known by the user. Keep it factory, change it all, it doesn't matter. your weapon is a part of you. You know that you need to take care of yourself or you will get sick or not do the things you do as well. Your weapon is no different. Take care of it. You are expecting this thing to save your life possibly. There's more to gun ownership than feeding it and pushing a cleaning rod down the barrel now and then. Break it down. Know what all the parts are. Know what they are supposed to look like and how they are supposed to work. If you are doing mods to your weapon then you have to know those mods will work..ALWAYS.
Picking up a spent case now and then and looking at what the average strike looks like is a good thing to do. and make sure you know what it is supposed to look like with different ammo. They all don't use the same primers.
If you are one that actually pays attention to more than the big noise a gun makes and how it makes holes in paper, cans, etc. You will know if any mods you have made are working or still working as they are supposed to over time.
Make sure that the mods you do are going to be for the better as to how you use your weapon. Running around with a Sigma with a .5 trigger probably wouldn't be the way to go. Taking off even half of it and getting it ti act more like it's Glock brothers is not a big seal. Sigma has up to 12 lb from the shop. A new Glock is about 5.5. So for anyone to say to reduce a trigger by as much as six pounds is not a safe or wise move better never own a Glock or XD. Because those triggers are lot lighter than the Sigma.
Well I did find one reputable gunsmith who will work on Sigma triggers. The best part about it is that it will not affect your lifetime S&W warranty in any way. The second best part about it is that is totally 100% free, including shipping to and from his shop.
The company is LSG Manufacturing which is the S&W warranty repair facility in Comanche, TX. I totally get the part about wanting to become intimately familiar with every working part of your guns, but when someone out there will do it for free with the blessing and consent of the manufacturer, why not? My SW9VE is on its way to him as we speak.
Happy Shooting!


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Charge Given To The Knights
By King Arthur
A Historical Text
God make you a good man and fail not of beauty. The Round Table was founded in patience, humility, and meekness. One should never to do outrageous acts, nor murder, and always to flee treason, by no means to be cruel, and always to do ladies, damsels, and gentle women succor. Also, to take no battles in a wrongful quarrel for no law, nor for the world's goods.
You should be for all ladies and fight for their quarrels, and ever be courteous and never refuse mercy to him that asks mercy, for a knight that is courteous and kind and gentle has favor in every place. You should never hold a lady or gentle woman against her will.
Thou must keep thy word to all and not be feeble of good believeth and faith. Right must be defended against might and distress must be protected. You must know good from evil and the vain glory of the world, because great pride and vanity makes great sorrow. Should anyone require you of any quest so that it is not to thy shame, you should fulfill the desire.
Ever it is a worshipful knights deed to help another worshipful knight when he sees him a great danger, for ever a worshipful man should loath to see a worshipful man shamed, for it is only he that is of no worship and who fair with cowardice that shall never show gentleness or no manner of goodness where he see a man in any danger, but always a good man will do another man as he would have done to himself.
It should never be said that a small brother has injured or slain another brother. You should not fail in these things: charity, abstinence and truth. No knight shall win worship, but if he be of worship himself and of good living and that love God and dread God then else he get no worship here be ever so hardly.
An envious knight shall never win worship for and envious man wants to win worship he shall be dishonored twice therefore without any, and for this cause all men of worship hate an envious man and will show him no favor.
Do not, nor slay not, anything that will in any way dishonor the fair name of Christian knighthood for only by stainless and honorable lives and not by prowess and courage shall the final goal be reached. Therefore be a good knight and so I pray to God so you may be and if you be of prowess and of worthiness then you shall be a Knight of the Table Round.
A 'Round Table' Discussion
This "Round Table" discussion is between Bodybuilder X, J-Rod, and Androgenic.
Joey Rodrigues a.k.a. J-Rod will be playing the role of our King Arthur - J-Rod is the "King" (CEO) of MAN Sports, a steroid free bodybuilder and a supplement researcher/product formulator. Outside of being a King and a Knight, J-Rod was a pretty decent athlete in his day, with some impressive accomplishments (if he does say so himself) in wrestling and baseball.
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Joey Rodrigues.
J-Rod's BodySpace.
He has since turned in his spikes and wrestling singlet and put his focus on introducing cutting-edge and research backed supplements that dramatically improve performance and body composition. And to his credit, his company is doing just that with its introduction of Citrulline Malate, Beta-alanine and now - Orotic acid to the sports nutrition world.
Shawn Wells, MPH, RD a.k.a. Androgenic will be playing the role of Sir Lancelot. Andro has come storming on to the sports nutrition scene with love for supplementation, research in nutritional biochemistry and athletic prowess. He received a Masters in Nutritional Science from UNC-Chapel Hill, is a Registered Dietitian and has worked as a Clinical Nutrition Manager and Chief Clinical Dietitian in acute, long-term care and rehabilitation settings. He is willing to ride with J-Rod in to the battle called the "iron game" that would surely break those of weak heart and mind.
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Shawn Wells, MPH, RD
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Bodybuilder X:
Bodybuilder X - He is gym rat and enthusiastic lifter that wanted to ask some tough questions and get honest answers. He has entered the throngs of the strong-willed and put his sword on the table, so that he may not be denied his thoughts having forum on this day.
Orotic Acid
As King Arthur's Round Table was meant to give equal voice, so shall this Round Table be for The Kingdom of MAN to have a voice. Discussion often elicits deeper thought, new insights, and a greater understanding. Today, the Round Table will discuss Orotic Acid.
[ BBX ] I'll start, I guess. You guys said I can be honest, so I'll just say the things I am thinking. I have heard of Orotic Acid, but I am not sure why I should take it or what makes it worthwhile versus tons of supposed performance enhancers on the shelf. Basically, I know creatine is now a staple to the war-chest of the lifter, but why should I bother with Orotic Acid?
[ J-R ] Fair question and good points that you bring up. It shows that you're shrewd enough to not try anything without a good reason. Given how much misinformation and hype there is in the bodybuilding supplement industry, one needs to be shrewd. I have not hyped any of our products with unrealistic claims of weight gains and compared it to steroids, or pimped out my stuff on all the online bodybuilding message boards just to make a buck. That's not how MAN is run.
I'd rather do less in initial sales, but make a customer for life and win your trust with good business practices, quality products and research-based formulations. Your positive experience with our products is important to me. You will not see any gimmicky proprietary blends with tons of ingredients to impress you, only to under dose the effective and expensive ingredients.
My motto is scientifically proven ingredients and doses. Meaning when you buy a MAN Sports product you can be sure that it contains effective ingredients and in the right doses.
[ AND ] I can certainly vouch for this. I have my Masters in Nutritional Science and have graduate work in Exercise Physiology and Biochemistry. I am very shrewd about the industry and its unscrupulous marketing and claims. Joey and I talked many times, at length, about doing things differently. Research for the formulation of products, testing their real world validity, lab-testing its purity and efficacy, and most importantly... listening to customer feedback is essential to MAN's long-term growth.
So J-Rod, why'd you choose to introduce the sports nutrition world to Orotic Acid, when there is, as stated, a sea of products that all seem the same?
[ J-R ] Yes, they all seem the same and make many claims to distinguish themselves. Orotic Acid is a new breed of performance and body augmenting nutrients. Orotic Acid is a fascinating compound and offers a lot to athletes, bodybuilders and fitness enthusiasts alike. It truly is very special.
[ BBX ] As mentioned earlier, I have heard of Orotic Acid, but if it is so groundbreaking why is no one else using it?
[ AND ] Again, good question. Great question in fact. The longevity crowd is using the product. It has been in research for several decades now with postoperative cardiac surgery patients with phenomenal success in the form of magnesium orotate, which is also called magnerot.
Clearly, the safety and efficacy is apparent in that it is used in hundreds of studies and often with a critically fragile population. Further, this is human data... not rats... not extrapolated interpretations of some "similar compound." So many compounds being released by the supplement industry may be unsafe or lack efficacy where there is no relevant study data published at all.
[ J-R ] Exactly, Andro. I pick compounds for a reason. My goal is to bring well-researched, effective supplements to the athlete. I have chosen to forgo hype, heavy hormones, and hoopla for legitimacy and safety. I use my own products, and consider myself a bodybuilder and an athlete.
I want to make products I will use everyday. I also want products that I feel good about recommending to a friend, customer or my family. Some of the stuff getting put out there straight up scares me. Health and longevity is paramount to me personally, and is a driving force with my company.
[ AND ] So, J-Rod, you have a product out called Orotine that is basically creatine bound to Orotic Acid... why pair it with creatine?
[ J-R ] Well the reason I paired Orotic Acid with Creatine and why we include magnesium orotate, Orotine (creatine orotate) and extra Orotic Acid as a stand alone in CLOUT is because Orotic Acid boosts muscle phosphocreatine more effectively than just using creatine alone because it increases muscle Uridine levels.
As you know phosphocreatine fuels ATP and muscular contractions, which leads to greater strength, energy, endurance and overall athletic performance. Elevation of intramuscular Uridine levels increase muscle phosphocreatine and creatine levels 38% and 3%, respectively.
| What Is ATP?
An adenosine-derived nucleotide, C10H16N5O13P3, that contains high-energy phosphate bonds and is used to transport energy to cells for biochemical processes, including muscle contraction and enzymatic metabolism, through its hydrolysis to ADP. ATP is hydrolyzed to AMP when it is incorporated into DNA or RNA.
Both, sprinters and lifters should see a synergy here that will translate to better more explosive, repetitive power with less fatigue. Furthermore, it is a newly discovered nutrient that can boost muscle carnosine concentrations, since it is a precursor to beta-alanine, the rate limiting factor in carnosine biosynthesis.
More recent work on isolated human muscle fibers has shown that elevation of pyrimidine base concentration (Uridine = elevated following orotate feeding in humans and mice) enhances the contractile capacity of muscle tissue and other research suggests that Orotic Acid may stimulate muscle hypertrophy.
Another thing that people need to realize is that Orotic Acid can increase ATP production 3 different ways; through the production of ribose moieties, Uridine monophosphate and glycogen storage (elevated glycogen lead to an enhanced capacity for ATP resynthesis from anaerobic glycolysis).
So, it is clear to see that there is an additive effect in combining Orotic Acid and Creatine, if not a synergistic effect. The beauty of Orotine/creatine orotate is that you can get effective doses of two research proven performance enhancers in one shot. Most other creatine products supply only creatine.
OK, since you fired a question at me Andro, I got one for you. What are the potential health benefits and research on Orotic Acid?
[ AND ] Well I have to give a background here by going back to the late Dr. Hans Nepier, famed German Oncologist. His decades of groundbreaking research included Orotic Acid (uracil-6-carboxylic acid) bound to salts in the sixties. He concluded that orotate salts, being neutrally charged, pass easily through cell membranes.
| What Is An Oncologist?
A doctor who specializes in the treatment of cancer.
In effect, orotate shuttles the mineral atoms into cells and tissues, producing higher concentrations. Considering the poor bioavailability of minerals and the mounting research in there relation to optimal athletic performance, Eastern Bloc athletes quickly adopted them with the magnesium orotate gathering much attention.
It wasn't until the 1980's that American researchers started to do clinical studies using magnesium orotate, labeled by researchers as magnerot.
Recently, at the Hamburg symposium on magnesium orotate, a number of studies of metabolic supplementation were presented. Certainly the idea of putting the muscle under extreme stress with the aim of hypertrophy or strength gain would apply here. Literally hundreds of studies are now published on orotic acid/orotate.
Oh, and I forgot to mention its antioxidant properties, which in part explains the protective effects seen neuronally and in the myocardium. OA has ascertained to stimulate erythropoiesis and leucopoiesis... So, do you think increased ATP production, greater oxygenation of the tissues, improved neuronal impulses for reflexes... do you see where this is going in terms of benefit to the individual? Maybe I am a geek here, but it's exciting to me.
[ BBX ] OK, OK, you've got my interest a little bit peaked here [note: sarcasm]. I'd really like to give this Creatine Orotate a go, but I do have a question that's kind of lingering in my "dome". So much is made of Creatine Ethyl Ester lately and it seems to be all the rage, why would I not get a CEE product?
[ J-R ] Let me take this one, since I have been asked this question many times. As mentioned earlier, Orotine/Creatine Orotate provide both creatine and orotic acid. CEE, is only creatine. With CEE, you "may" saturate skeletal muscle levels of creatine phosphate a little faster, but once creatine in the muscle is saturated, that is it; your muscles are only capable of holding so much creatine phosphate.
Research shows that you only need 3 grams of creatine monohydrate for 28 days to fully load the muscles. After that, you are just maintaining. With Orotine/Creatine Orotate, you saturate muscle creatine levels and you get the benefit of enhancing multiple pathways that lead to the generation of ATP.
You also get the other positive properties of Orotic Acid such as its effects on glucose uptake and glycogen storage. Another thing about Orotine is that it is the only form of creatine that can boost muscle carnosine concentration. Carnosine is the primary buffering agent the muscles use to combat lactic acid that is the result of Hydrogen ions released through energy production.
Carnosine basically keeps muscle acid in check and provides an environment that is favorable for explosive and repetitive muscular contractions. And on top of that, Orotic Acid aids in muscle growth through RNA synthesis support during growth.
| What Is RNA?
One of a group of molecules similar in structure to a single strand of DNA. The function of RNA is to carry the information from DNA in the cell's nucleus into the body of the cell, to use the genetic code to assemble proteins, and to comprise part of the ribosomes that serve as the platform on which protein synthesis takes place.
[ AND ] Also, considering the biochemistry with OA and the salts the bound to and the radically improved bioavailability, the CEE argument maybe a moot one altogether. It's time to start arming yourself with knowledge over hype here.
[ J-R ] I am glad you bring that up. This is something that I have not really hinted at since there are no direct studies on bioavailability of creatine orotate in comparisons to other forms. However as you suggest and based off Dr. Nepier's work, orotic acid may very well enhance the uptake of creatine as well.
[ BBX ] I feel you. You guys have really filled my head with science here, but I am glad to know the research and ideas behind a product. And even though money's tight, after my protein powder, creatine is my next most important supplement in my arsenal. So what works well with Orotine, if I was to have some extra cash available at some point?
[ J-R ] Orotine is very cost effective. You can find a month's supply or more for around $30. If you have some extra funds, I would use either CLOUT in place of Orotine, or Orotine with BodyOctane. CLOUT contains Orotine as well as magnesium oratate, which Andro has alluded to.
Add to that beta-alanine, NAC, ALCAR, Vinpocetine, IP6 and some other goodies and it's a no-brainer. It is an over all advanced formula to help with explosive power, stamina and recovery. It goes above and beyond any formula of its kind in that it effectively addresses the contributors to fatigue and combines 8 different bioactives in clinically proven doses, to really push the anaerobic threshold to the max.
CLOUT is the first product that looks to acetyl group donning at the onset of exercise as a means to enhance performance as well as Orotic Acid as a carnosine booster.
BodyOctane is similar to CLOUT in that it too helps to fight fatigue and increase strength and recovery. It tends to be more of an aerobic energy booster, but don't get it twisted, it also helps generate power. It completely rids the body of endotoxins such as ammonia and lactic acid, and that will enhance performance. Keep in mind, all exercise, aerobic and anaerobic lead to the production of endotoxins. Combining BodyOctane with Orotine really puts power, endurance and recovery to max.
[ AND ] OK, J-Rod knows what I think of BodyOctane and it's my favorite supplement on the market. No Joke. It tastes great, sweet and tangy, a really good lemonade. Taste is a big factor and certainly plays a role in wanting to take it day in and day out.
I look forward to drinking it on my way to the gym, which is a nice change of pace. I feel that High Voltage BodyOctane is invaluable on a "cut" given the caloric deficit and possibly low-carb/ketogenic diet further reinforces this. Normally I crash after intense cardio and I have very little left for strength training, worse still my recovery is greatly reduced and DOMS is significant.
With High Voltage BodyOctane I rip through my workouts, have gained strength while cutting calories and losing fat mass, and I recover quicker allowing to continuing my intense training regimen. It's also nice to be able to fall asleep at 10:30 when I take it at 7pm. Try that on most of those stimulant loaded pre-workout formulas. As J-Rod mentioned Orotine and High Voltage BodyOctane is a tremendous stack while cutting, and even when bulking for that matter.
[ BBX ] How long before I would see effects?
[ J-R ] You should notice results in a matter of days with Orotine, BodyOctane and CLOUT, with results continuously getting better as the bioactives in the formulas build up in your system. Many people on CLOUT and Orotine have commented on noticing fuller and harder muscle, while also looking leaner. This may have something to do with the way Orotic Acid aids in glucose uptake and glycogen storage.
[ AND ] I have to say, those were great questions and really shows a thinking and critical mind which will serve you well in whatever choices you make. You have represented the Kingdom of MAN well. We accept you as a fellow knight.
[ J-R ] [In a deep, dramatic voice] I knight you with the "Excalibur of Creatines" [J-Rod takes the bottle of Orotine and waves it over each shoulder].
[ AND ] [Laughing] Nice J-Rod... good thing he wasn't "Scorched" or even worse, "Vaporized". Seriously, I think you'll love this product. It is yet another, solid product by MAN. I am very proud to be associated with MAN and J-Rod's a good friend. He is letting me work with his company to bring my expertise to the "table" as well as educating and informing those willing to listen.
[ J-R ] If and when you do give Orotine - The King of Creatines - a go, please visit the supplement forum and share your thoughts there so others can read your results and offer opinions or feedback. I too, am certain your results will be great; there is too much real research and anecdotal feedback for it not to be. Thanks, for your time. Good luck.
King Arthur (2004)
From the 2004 movie King Arthur, starring Clive Owen, Ioan Gruffud & Keira Knightley.
[Lancelot finds Arthur praying in the stable]
Lancelot: Why do you always talk to God and not to me? Pray to whomever you pray that we don't cross the Saxons.
Arthur: My faith is what protects me, Lancelot. Why do you challenge this?
Lancelot: I don't like anything that puts a man on his knees.
Arthur: No man fears to kneel before the God he trusts. Without faith, without belief in something, what are we?
[Last Lines] Lancelot [Voiceover]: And as for the knights who gave their lives, their deaths were cause for neither mourning nor sadness. For they will live forever, their names and deeds handed down from father to son, mother to daughter, in the legends of King Arthur and his knights.


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* The Justice Department is scooping up data from thousands of mobile phones through fake communications towers deployed on airplanes, a high-tech hunt for criminal suspects that is snagging a large number of innocent Americans. (on.wsj.com/1tNYyf7)
* President Obama could announce executive actions overhauling the immigration system as early as next week, though officials keep debating the best timing for a move that the GOP protests. (on.wsj.com/11mWbu5)
* A New Mexico county shows how Medicaid's growth under the Affordable Care Act has created a paradox: Many low-income Americans have gained coverage, but their numbers are straining some healthcare systems. (on.wsj.com/114MMXi)
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Before you slather that burger with every topping you can think of, let's pause for a moment so you know what you're getting into. Business Insider recently ranked 12 popular condiments from unhealthiest to healthiest, and it may or may not make you rethink some of your favorite summer foods.
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TODAY Food's take on the list? The key is to look for store-bought versions that are made with very few ingredients, and watch out for the sodium. Sure, we make some condiments at home, too, but nobody's perfect and don't even try to take that bottle of Sriracha out of our hands before we're done squirting it. Here are the healthiest (and unhealthiest!) condiments, ranked.
12. Mayonnaise
The creamy spread comes in at 94 calories per tablespoon. Ugh, sometimes it's better to pretend not to know these things.
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11. Ranch
If you carry around a bottle in your bag (you know who you are), it's no surprise that there are 73 calories per tablespoon.
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10. Tartar Sauce
You'll be adding 31 calories per tablespoon to your fish sticks and fish sandwiches, but it's so worth it.
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9. Relish
Sweet and tangy, this condiment rings in at only 20 calories per tablespoon.
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8. Barbecue Sauce
Sometimes BBQ brisket and pulled pork are just so good that you won't even need this sauce that has 29 calories per tablespoon.
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7. Sriracha
A tablespoon-sized squirt of this fiery condiment is 15 calories, but we always want more.
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6. Ketchup
Just one 19 calorie-tablespoon is worth it for this condiment that adds deep and earthy umami flavor to everything from burgers and hot dogs to chili and even popcorn.
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5. Soy Sauce
Go ahead and dip that sushi--one tablespoon is only 9 calories.
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4. Dijon Mustard
With only 15 calories per tablespoon, it's a great pick.
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3. Pico de Gallo
This fresh combo of chopped tomatoes, onions and herbs has 5 calories per tablespoon.
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1. Mustard
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Coulrophobia is the fear of clowns. (Believe me, I kinda get freaked out by them, too.)
I have verminophobia. I always have Purell and Lysol with me. Believe me, I hate being a freak, but I hate getting sick. I can't deal with people who sneeze on their hands and offer to shake my hand. I hate using public bathrooms. I hate touching door knobs in stores and other places besides my house. I don't like holding hands with someone who does not wash his/her hands. I hate not taking a bath. I don't like to go to small crowded places with so many people. I hate to be stuck in an elevator with dozens of people sweating and smelly. I don't like to touch things without spraying Lysol on them.
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The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander social justice commissioner, Mick Gooda, has called for the referendum on constitutional recognition of Indigenous people to be held by the end of 2015. He said the movement needed to to stop being "burdened by complacency and administrative processes" and decide on a referendum model to allow proper debate to start.
The current process towards constitutional recognition began "in earnest" at the 2010 election with bipartisan support, said Gooda in a speech on Thursday evening, but has since stalled, with multiple inquiries and committees being convened, lapsing, and being reconvened.
The push for constitutional recognition is widely, but not unanimously, supported by Indigenous leaders and politicians, and there are just months left before parliamentary recognition – under the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples Recognition Act – will disappear under a two-year sunset clause.
NSW, Queensland, Victoria and South Australia have already recognised Indigenous Australians in state constitutions but there is nothing in the federal document.
"This quest goes to the heart of the nation," Gooda said in the Nulungu Reconciliation Lecture at the university of Notre Dame.
"It is about us all as Australians having a say in the kind of country we want to live in and what we stand for in an ever globalised environment. But ultimately, it is about recognition."
Gooda praised the awareness campaign on the need for constitutional recognition conducted so far, and said the Journey to Recognition had signed up more than 216,000 Australians "and counting".
However he criticised the stalling of the timeline and said he was "perplexed" and "dismayed" when he heard it might not happen until after a 2016 election because it might "confuse a general election with such an important issue that will be the subject of this referendum."
"Taking into account the work that has already been done and the work still to do, it is my belief that a more realistic timetable that avoids the election issue but also allows maximum support to be gathered behind this by the public is at the end of 2015," Gooda said.
He also said it was time to shift the emphasis away from consultation to what model of recognition would be put to the Australian people, and called on parliament to move on the issue "with the same enthusiasm with which it started".
"Readily identifying a model will mean the public, particularly Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities, will have a greater opportunity to know what they are endorsing and what I call the 'debate proper' can begin," Gooda said.
"This clarity will also maximise opportunity to build on the existing momentum behind the campaign that is necessary if we are to have a successful referendum."
He said recognition for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples in the constitution would send a powerful message about the way Australia wished to see itself as a nation.
"It is shocking to me that in 2014 we are still a country that has ties to our racist past, of the darker periods in our nation's history, such as the White Australia Policy that had at its core the destruction of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander families, communities and culture," he said. "Australia no longer stands for these attitudes."
Gooda finished his speech saying he was known as "a glass half full fella".
"I have said recently, on a Sunday morning, not too far away, after resoundly passing the referendum that day before, we will be waking up to a new country, one which has come to terms with its past, has passed the test of maturity and has given proper meaning to the Aussie 'fair go'."


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> What does continue to astonish me is that there are next to no hostas here
> and that Texas A&M has conducted a seven year hosta study among wholesale
> nurseries to see how and why they do well here. Or not.
Hi Ann
I mentioned this before, don't know if you saw it. I send hostas to a
guy in Center, Tx and also not far from that in Louisiana. The guy from
Center wants to buy streaked ones so he can hybridize them. He already
is a master daylily hybridizer.
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Suncor's Steve Williams has taken a measured approach to spending since taking over as chief executive officer in early 2012. The company has repeatedly trimmed budgets under his watch – with the most recent reduction announced in October. Next year's budget, however, is growing as Suncor chases growth projects and expects increased production from oil sands to offset declines elsewhere in the company.
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|Reviews for Nadir
| greatestheights chapter 8 . 2/27/2015
So...I had to come back to "Nadir," too. You probably knew this was coming. This time, the summary didn't trick me. (But it's perfect: "Josh gets a piano—and a hard time." Somehow, this sums up the story better than anything else would have.) I came into this prepared to be sad.
But then, as usual, you surprised me. This is obviously not a happy tale...well, at least not the bulk of it...but it is filled with joy and love and hope and catharsis and resilience. So, basically, everything I could ever want in a story.
All the detail you bring to each character's observations of Josh, and then to Josh's descent into blindness and depression, and then how he fights his way out of it (with plenty of help), is staggering. Again, I felt tempted to go through and quote back large sections of each chapter, but I've restrained myself. Donna is especially lovely in this. Josh helping her get her degree was perfect. And don't even get me started on the damn piano. I kept wondering what the deal was when I first read it—wondering if Josh would just need it to remind him of Joanie, if there was some backstory with the piano itself, vaguely wondering if he had known how to play at some point—but I didn't see the reveal coming in quite the way it did. This last part from Chapter 7 in particular was moving to me: "He shuddered. His shoulders heaved. 'God, I love you,' he groaned. And Donna wondered why the whole winter night outside didn't light up, and the piano start to play by itself."
Well, now that I've gushed at length, I'll finish this up by saying that "Nadir" (and "Buying Time") will stick with me for a long time. Fantastic, fantastic work.
| fluteskickbrass chapter 8 . 3/31/2013
This was beautiful. I'm glad it was a happy ending. I'm all for the angst, but awwwwwwwww.
| Arpad Hrunta chapter 8 . 1/7/2013
Very sweet ending to the story! I liked the Eagleton reference as well - that would have been very timely and something Josh would certainly remember.
| Gillian Deverone chapter 8 . 10/25/2012
Very sweet.
| Gillian Deverone chapter 7 . 10/25/2012
He shuddered. His shoulders heaved. "God, I love you," he groaned. And Donna wondered why the whole winter night outside didn't light up, and the piano start to play by itself. GREAT LINES!
| Gillian Deverone chapter 6 . 10/25/2012
I'm so glad they talked.
| Gillian Deverone chapter 5 . 10/25/2012
I appreciate the faith that Jed and Leo have, but I want Donna to be his savior. She has to be.
| Gillian Deverone chapter 4 . 10/25/2012
I don't like self-pitying Josh.
| Gillian Deverone chapter 3 . 10/25/2012
Saw it coming and it was still sad.
| Gillian Deverone chapter 2 . 10/24/2012
The love story that you've created for Josh and Donna (too bad they were before the whole name scrunch thing, like Brangelina-they could be Jodda or Dosh) is gorgeous-it's almost suffocating in its beauty.
As for the other characters, I like that they are mad at themselves, but also remembering what it was like and showing they are only human.
I never got a CJ/Josh vibe at all in the show-maybe because I only saw him with Donna, maybe not? Did you see one or is it only part of the fiction?
Great job!
| sassie69 chapter 8 . 10/20/2012
What I have always loved about this story is actually Josh's relationship with Georgie. It is a nice touch. I am so looking forward to you posting more of your stories here.
| Veridissima chapter 8 . 10/19/2012
Love it perfect finale
The scene with Donna telling him about the rape, it hurt so much, so beautifully written, so sad, poor Donna
The part where he starts playing sad and sweet at the same time
Love this story
I hope you have more
| alix33 chapter 8 . 10/19/2012
"Josh, what made you decide to stop? I mean, if you kept playing after she died . . ." He swallowed, hard. It took him a while to answer. "It was something someone said. A teacher, not ours; a judge at a competition I played in." "What did he say?" "She. She said—she'd known Joanie, had heard her play not long before— but she didn't know what had happened." "What did she say, Josh?" There was a very long pause. Donna waited. When he finally answered, his voice was almost inaudible. "She said I was going to be better. Than Joanie. That I already was. She said, 'You can beat your sister into the ground, dear.'" "Oh, Josh. I'm sure she didn't mean—" "No, of course she didn't mean anything; she didn't know. But I went into the bathroom and threw up. And then I went home and shut the piano and told my parents I wasn't going to play again, and I didn't. I couldn't. I just couldn't." - I would not have blamed Josh for stopping. Who would have? What that woman said was immeasurably cruel, considering that Josh was already carrying around so much guilt because of how Joanie died.
"she thought she understood a little better the hardness he sometimes showed people, the sarcasm and the mockery that could be almost cruel at times, the pitilessness with which he could go after someone who was getting in his, or the administration's, way. He had had to learn to be hard to do what he'd done," -True.
"So I got my degree under false pretenses?" "Only if you refuse to acknowledge the signatures, which might be a little unkind to Margaret. Not to mention the President, who was inordinately pleased to get to award a degree. It seems he's always wanted to." "He did Zoe's." "That wasn't enough. It gave him a taste for more." - That bit about the president made me go AW! and laugh simultaneously.
"Come on, C.J.," the President was saying. "Sing something. Leo's told me you do something called 'The Jackass.'" His eyes were twinkling. "'The Jackal,' Mr. President?" C.J. answered the twinkle, laughing. "I only lip-sync to that, sir. I don't think you have it in your CD collection." "Well, sing something else. You sing—I've heard you. Come on, we need some music here. We're celebrating." "I only sing when I'm drunk, Mr. President." "You're drunk now, Claudia Jean." "When I'm drunk and when I have accompaniment, sir. I don't do a cappella, no matter how drunk I am." "Well, let's get you some accompaniment, then. I have a piano here, a very good piano. The best of pianos. Arthur Rubenstein played on this piano; Vladimir Horowitz played this piano. Don't let that intimidate anyone, though. Come on, who'll do it? We need someone to play the piano so C.J. can sing." "Not me, sir." "Don't look at me, sir." "I don't play. Not a chance." "I took lessons for a year or two, but—" "You'll have to look somewhere else, Mr. President. Maybe call the KennedyCenter, ask them to send someone over. I'm sure they'd interrupt a concert if you asked them to." "Come on, one of you must play. I want to hear C.J. sing." "Josh plays," Donna said, suddenly. Everyone turned and looked at her, then at Josh, who blushed. He'd managed to keep his extra-curricular skills quiet so far, and he'd been planning to go on keeping them that way. He still felt a little odd about the whole thing. "Josh? Have you been fooling around on that big Steinway your mother sent you?" "What have you picked up? 'Chopsticks'? 'Heart and Soul'?" "Doobie Brothers hits. I'll bet he plays Doobie Brothers." "Well, if the President can stand it, I can sing to that. Come on, Josh, mi amor, show us what you can do. You can't be much worse than Sam." Donna pushed him towards the Presidential piano. "What do you want, Mr. President?" he asked, as he pulled out the bench and sat down. C.J. came over and leaned on the piano beside him. "What can you do, Josh?" the President asked. Josh pushed his sleeves up, flexed his fingers, and sat for a minute, thinking. Then he grinned. If he was going to out himself, he might as well have fun doing it. Slowly, with one finger, and as if he was having trouble finding the notes, he started to pick out a familiar tune. Everyone laughed. C.J. stood up straight, and began to sing. The others joined in. "Hail to the Chief, we have chosen for the nation." - As did those paragraphs.
"I was ready to kill you when you said I played." "The President wanted someone to play. You can't just ignore the President." "I serve at the pleasure of the President. And at the pleasure of Donnatella Moss." - AW!
Yay! for Ron and his men and women, for allowing Josh and Donna to wander through the White House gardens with intent to propose and accept.
| alix33 chapter 6 . 10/18/2012
"Josh woke up, shaking and sweating. In his dreams he could see: light, too much light: flames leaping up, reflected everywhere, and the red and blue lights flashing and spinning, round and round. He could hear, too: screams, high-pitched, shrill, like a girl's voice screaming, or a young boy's. Or both. Sirens. Music: beautiful, incessant music; shouldn't someone have turned the music off? It was incongruous, playing away through the sirens and the sound of the flames. Sirens. Lights. Flames. Music. And the screaming. And the pain: someone was hurting, someone was dying." - Oh, good grief! The sound and Technicolor version of PTSD, to taunt Josh even further with the fact that he cannot see, it seems.
Anybody that did not laugh hysterically, in part out of utter shock and sadness and anger and frustration because of what happened to Donna, but probably a whole lot of other emotions too, IMO does not have a heart, or not much of one.
| alix33 chapter 5 . 10/18/2012
"Your first-grade teacher was Mrs. Pogue; she slapped Johnny Howard for getting homesick and crying in class, and told Marcia Petersen she'd break all her crayons if she didn't stop drawing with just the black one." - Mrs. Pogue sounds like a nightmare! How DID Donna not skive off school, and frequently too?
"I expect he's still pining for you." "Poor boy." "Poor man, you mean. I feel for him. He shall go unmocked." - Hehehe.
"And maybe for wearing her skirts too short and having really great legs." "Josh!" "She did, I tell you." "You were six!" "Five, actually, but I still knew a great leg when I saw one." - Hehehe.
"Well, that had gone well, Donna thought, as she drifted off to sleep that night, Josh's arms wrapped around her and her head tucked under his chin. Surprisingly well. She'd even seen a flash of his dimples for the first time since his world had gone black. Now, if she could only think up enough questions whose answers might include hot women with great legs, maybe it could go that well every night." - AW!
"I'll tell the President what you've told me, and he'll tell you to shove it, and C.J. will tell the press that you've offered your resignation and it's been refused." - It's funny and sweet how well Leo knows Jed Bartlet, because the president will in all probability use those exact words to turn down Josh's resignation.
"I won't accept your resignation, Josh. I wanted you to hear that from the horse's mouth. And I'm quite a horse—a two-time triple-crown winner. Best in Show." - Or those...
"In the meantime, I'm announcing that you've offered your resignation, and I have refused it. That should get the press off you for a bit. I take it you heard 'Capitol Beat' yesterday. C.J.'s already been on the phone to their producers, taking a piece off their backs." - AW!


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