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1. The Pope's Call to Return to Christian Humanism
Catholic WorldNews, in an article entitled European universities play key role in reviving Christian humanism, reports that Pope Benedict XVI is calling on the universities to help revive Christian humanism in Europe -- a continent steeped in secular humanism.
Pope Benedict XVI met on Saturday, June 23, with a group of professors and administrators of European universities, and told them that they would play a critical role in helping European society through a "massive cultural shift."
Europe today, the Holy Father said, suffers from "a certain social instability and diffidence in the face of traditional values." He said that Europe, where Christian humanism developed, needs to recover from the effects of a newer trend in humanism that aspires to build a new culture separate from the old Christian foundation.
The great universities, the Pope said, were built on "the conviction that faith and reason are meant to cooperate in the search for truth, each respecting the nature and legitimate autonomy of the other, yet working together harmoniously and creatively to serve the fulfillment of the human person." That recognition needs to be revived today, he said.
Moreover, the Pope continued, universities can help to identify the authentic contribution that Christianity can offer to society. "Christianity," he said, "must not be relegated to the world of myth and emotion, but respected for its claim to shed light on the truth about man."
I have mixed feelings about this call from a Pope who I think is turning out to be one of the truly great Christian leaders. On the positive side, I think going to the universities, many of which were begun by various orders in the Roman Catholic Church, reveals a great deal of savvy by the Pope. If his goal, as he says in the last paragraph, is that Christianity should not be relegated to the world of myth and emotion, it is important that the universities be energized to stop teaching Christianity in that light. They should be leaders in standing up for the historicity of the New Testament and the truth of the Bible. I also agree that faith and reason should stand together. Historically, that was the case.
As I read the Pope's comments, it seems that his central call is that Christianity should be moved from the realm of "myth and emotion" to one that has authority to spread truth and wisdom. I don't see how any thinking Christian could disagree. The problem, however, arises because of the means that he has selected to accomplish this goal. He has stressed a return to Christian humanism.
Recently, I have been reading Francis Schaeffer's How Should We Then Live?, subtitled "The Rise and Decline of Western Thought and Culture". He spends a great deal of time discussing humanism, including Christian humanism. If Schaeffer is correct, and I think he is on this point, then humanism is a self-defeating means to reach the end that Pope Benedict XVI seeks.
2. Schaeffer's Teaching on the Results of Humanism in the Church
Humanism has many different variations. There is secular humanism, religious humanism, Christian humanism, renaissance humanism, and several more varieties of humanism. But Schaeffer teaches that all of these forms of humanism have a common root: the exaltation of the ability of man to start with created things (i.e., particulars) and arrive at meaning and value. In How Should We Then Live?, Schaeffer teaches that humanism teaches that man, starting with man alone and man's own human wisdom, could arrive at meaning and value in the universe.
Returning to the roots of Christianity, Schaeffer demonstrates that the early church (while it was certainly not pure) did not teach any form of humanism. Rather, the early church understood that the Bible was the revealed word of God. As such, it contained truths about God from God (the transcendent, perfect, personal God) that explained who we are, who God is, and why we are here. IN other words, historic Christianity has taught that man was a created being who gained wisdom and value through God. God is the ultimate source of value and meaning.
Humanism, in contrast, teaches that value and meaning can be gained independent of God or revelation. As Schaeffer wrote, the reliance on human wisdom (which was an offshoot of St. Thomas Aquinas' adoption of an Aristotelian view of the world) resulted in philosophy gradually separating from revelation with the philosophers acting increasingly independent and autonomous. They began to look to pagan and classical thought as independent sources of value and meaning. In the church itself, the values derived from these independent sources began to infiltrate church doctrine which had serious negative repercussions.
This problem is often spoken as the nature-versus-grace problem. Beginning with man alone and only the individual things in the world (the particulars), the problem is how to find any ultimate and adequate meaning for the individual things. The most important individual thing for man is man himself. Without some ultimate meaning for a person (for me, an individual), what is the use of living and what will be the basis for morals, values and law? If one starts from individual acts rather than with an absolute, what gives any real certainty concerning what is right and what is wrong about an individual action? The nature-and-grace tension or problem can be pictured like this:Beginning from man alone, Renaissance humanism-and humanism ever since-has found no way to arrive at universals or absolutes which give meaning to existence and morals.
Grace, the higher: God the creator; heaven and heavenly things; the unseen and its influence on the earth; unity, or universals or absolutes which give existence and morals meaning.
Nature, the lower: the created; earth and earthly things; the visible and what happens normally in the cause-and-effect universe; what man as man does on the earth; diversity, or individual things, the particulars; the individual acts of man.
Schaeffer explains, however, that humanism gradually spread into the church. Ultimately, the humanism that focused on the created for meaning found its expression in the ideas of Christian philosophers like Danish philosopher and theologian Soren Kierkegaard. I have read much of Kierkegaard's work, and I am not certain that it is appropriate to attribute to him all of the differing (and sometimes negative) ideas that are traditionally thought to be part of his thinking. But, at minimum, his ideas led to a dichotomy in theology between the noumenal world and the phenomenal world. As Schaeffer puts it,
Kierkegaardianism did bring to full tide the notion that reason will always lead to pessimism. That is, one must try to find optimistic answers in regard to meaning and values on an "upper level" outside of reason. Through a "leap of faith" one must try to find meaning without reason.
Schaeffer continues to comment on the consequences of the humanism that had crept into Christianity and was reflected in the followers of Kierkegaard (and ultimately, a large portion of the Christian church):
Modern man is a man of dichotomy. By dichotomy we mean a total separation into two reciprocally exclusive orders, with no unity or relationship between them. The dichotomy here is the total separation between the area meaning and value, and the area of reason. Reason leading to despair must be kept totally separate from the blind optimism of non-reason. This makes a lower and an upper story, with the lower story of reason leading to pessimism and men trying to find optimism in an upper story devoid of reason. At this point the older rationalistic thinkers (with their optimistic hope of maintaining unity between the world of reason and that of meaning and values) were left behind. This is the mark of modern man.
Obviously, I have left out a great deal of the history and argument that Schaeffer uses to support these ideas. For those interested in seeing the basis for making these assertions and tying them together in this way I highly recommend reading How Should We Then Live?. But the point that Schaeffer makes repeatedly in his book is that when man begins with humanism -- the belief that man can gain values and meaning starting from man and not starting with revelation from God -- man has always failed. This is true in philosophy, art and Christian theology. In the case of the latter, when man starts with reasoning from particulars (which he himself is), man will ultimately arrive at the point of having to abandon hope in finding meaning absent a leap of faith into the area of non-reason.
3. The Loss of the Miraculous
Following Kierkegaard, theologians seemed to largely adopt the idea of the "leap of faith." Starting with only the created things as being within the realm of reason or rationality, theology began to follow a road that led to a view that only particulars and the laws of nature acting on them can be seen as real. The rest must be rejected as irrational.
One must understand that from the advent of Kierkegaardianism onward there has been a widespread concept of the dichotomy between reason and non-reason, with no interchange between them. The lower story are of reason is totally isolated from the optimistic area of non-reason. * * * There is no interchange, no osmosis between the parts. * * * "Downstairs" in the area of humanistic reason, man is a machine, man is meaningless. There are no values. And "upstairs" optimism about meaning and values is totally separated from reason. Reason has no place here at all; here reason is an outcast.
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The concept of man beginning from himself now began to be expressed in theology and in theological language. Or we can say that these theologians accepted the presuppositions of rationalism. As the Renaissance had tried to synthesize Aristotle and Christianity and then Plato and Christianity, these men were attempting to synthesize the rationalism of the Enlightenment and Christianity. This attempt has often been called religious liberalism.
The rationalistic theological liberalism of the nineteenth century was embarrassed by and denied the supernatural, but still tried to hold on to the historic Jesus by winnowing out of the New Testament all the supernatural elements. * * *
This came to its climax with Albert Schweitzer's (1875-1965) book The Quest for the Historical Jesus (1906) in which he tried to hold on to the Jesus of history. * * * The Quest for the Historical Jesus (especially the conclusion of the second edition which was never translated into English) showed the impossibility of ridding the New Testament of the supernatural and yet keeping any historical Jesus. The rationalistic theologians could not separate the historic Jesus from the supernatural events connected with him. History and the supernatural were too interwoven in the New Testament. If one retained any of the historical Jesus, one had to keep some of the supernatural. If one got rid of all the supernatural, one had no historical Jesus.
In other words, because the basis of humanistic thought begins with man and created things (the particulars) and not revelation (universals), it inexorably leads to a separation of the natural from the supernatural (or extra-natural) where the former is thought to be real and the latter to be unreal. This type of thinking, it seems to me, must eventually abandon any concept of the Jesus described in the New Testament as a historic figure about whom the witnesses (the Gospels) are speaking truth. Jesus, then, becomes a mythical or spiritualized figure who has no place in reality. Certainly, the idea that one could rationally come to believe in God through the revelation of Jesus Christ becomes nonsense, and all of religion, including Christianity, becomes nothing more than a leap of faith into the irrational with any choice that gives meaning being equal to any other choice.
4. Looking at the Model of Universals First
This "leap of faith" into irrationality to find meaning, however, is not the Biblical model. As 2 Timothy 3:14-17:
You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned {them,} and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
The Bible teaches that Christians (all people, actually) are to start with God's revelation as the source of our assurance. That revelation is found in the 66 books of the Bible. The Bible (which can be seen as part of the "universals" in the first dichotomy represented by Schaeffer, above) gives a basis for values and meaning. It answers the questions of who we are, who God is, and why we are here. It gives a basis for ethics and morals. It gives a solid foundation for living. In other words, it leads to exactly the opposite answers than the answers derived from humanism. Where humanism leads to meaninglessness and hopelessness, Biblical Christianity provides a basis for meaning and hope.
Let no one suggest, however, that the call to accept the truth of the Bible is a call to "blind faith" or irrationality. The Biblical approach doesn't call for the abandonment of the intellect in the slightest. In fact, the Biblical model calls on people to study both the universals (the things of God) and the particulars (the created things) with equal fervor.
The Bible is to be studied, and reason and intellect are to be used in understanding its teachings. "'Come now, and let us reason together,' Says the Lord" in Isaiah 1:18a. "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge," reports Proverbs 1:7a. These are just a few of the many, many verses that call on Christians to love knowledge of God and to seek to know the mind and heart of God more fully. The only way to get to know God's mind and heart is by a combination of the study of his Word and prayer. Yet, intellect is not restricted to the study of God's word. Rather, the intellect is to be used in the study of the whole world. As Schaeffer notes:
[T]he Bible tells us true things about people and about nature. It does not give men and women exhaustive truth about the world and the cosmos, but it does give truth about them. So one can know many true things about nature, especially why things exist and why they have the form they have. Yet, because the Bible does not give exhaustive truth about history and the cosmos, historians and scientists have a job to do, and their work is not meaningless. To be sure, there is a total break between God and his creation, that is, between God and created things; God is infinite -- and created things are finite. But man can know both truth about God and truth about the things of creation because in the Bible God has revealed himself and has given man the key to understanding God's world.
5. Pope Benedict's Call for Renewal of Christian Humanism
On the one hand, Pope Benedict's call may be a perfectly straightforward call to become better vessels for sharing the truth of God in a world that is increasingly humanistic in viewpoint. It may be a call to return to the place where intellect is more a part of being a disciple of Christ.
The problem is that Pope Benedict XVI was very specific in that society "needs to recover from the effects of a newer trend in humanism that aspires to build a new culture separate from the old Christian foundation." From the context, it seems to me that the "old Christian foundation" he references must be Christian humanism. Pope Benedict XVI is a very smart man and a well-educated man. I think he knew exactly what he was saying with his words.
Of course, if Schaeffer is right (and I think he is right), Christian humanism doesn't remove Christianity from the "world of myth and emotion." If Schaeffer is right, it was Christian humanism that led to the upper story being relegated to the area of irrationality in the first place. Thus, while I applaud the overall ideas by Pope Benedict XVI, I think that he is making a mistake in promoting Christian humanism which will defeat his goal of bringing Christianity out of the shadows of myth and emotion.


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Classical singer Bhimsen Joshi passes away
Readers may recollect that this iconic vocalist was the member of Kirana Gharana and was known for the 'Khayal' form of singing. Born to a father who was a schoolmaster, Panditji, as a child, was deeply moved by a recording of Abdul Karim Khan, who was also the founder father of the 'Kirana Gharana'. Millions of his fans all over the globe, till today, remember his rendition of 'Mile Sur Mera Tumhara' as well as 'Piya Milan Ki Aas', 'Jo Bhaje Hari Ko Sada'. Besides this, Joshiji had also sung for several films including Basant Bahar (1956), Birbal My Brother (1973), Tansen (1958) and Ankahee (1985).
In 2008, Bhimsen Gururaj Joshi was also the proud recipient of Bharat Ratna, considered to be India's highest Civilian honour. Not just that, he was also conferred the 'Natak Akademi Award' (1976) 'Padma Bhushan' (1985), and 'Padma Vibhushan' (1999).
Oneindia condoles the demise of the legendary singer. May his soul rest in peace!

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Just click Optimize and every cell that has a red font is the one you need to change. your actual reforges are on the first "now green" column, on the second one you have the optimals.
Hell you look almost exactly as a friend of mine in that pic, and he's a guitarist too >_>
@Jha: I love the hard work, let's start.
Gems goes like this:
Red Socket: Bold Inferno Ruby (40str)
Yellow Socket: Skillful Ember Topaz (20str/20mast)
Blue Socket: Etched Demonseye (20str/20hit)
Respect sockets only if you'll get back the 20str you lose by doing so and therefore getting the socket bonus, at least it must be +10str bonus. TL;DR: Ignore socket bonus if its not 10 more str.
Enchants are:
Helmet: Arcanum of the Highlands (Honored? Wildhammer Clan)
Shoulder: Greater Inscription of Jagged Stone (Therazane Exalted)
Back: +50 Critical Strike / +65 Critical Strike (+50 is ok since it's a hell cheaper)
Chest: +15/+20 All Stats
Bracers: +50 Hit/Expertise/Strength
Hands: +50 Mastery/Strength
Legs: Dragonscale Leg Armor
Boots: +50Hit/Mastery
Weapon: Avalanche/Landslide
I guess you already know but just in case.
You need to adjust hit and expertise; you are a lot over the cap now, with Seal of Truth you should aim for 16 Expertise, but as your gear is now, I would download an addon like reforginatir, that can adjust caps for heroic instances, until you're ready to jump on raid bosses. But I think the best upgrades to you come from LFR so it's your call. Talents and glyphs are OK since you'll be running heroics very often and Repentance can be very handy.
On Professions, once you get Jewelcrafting to 535 and if you have another mining character you could move from mining to a more interesting Profesion (Only if you want to raid on a guild, if it's your alter then it's OK and reasonable).
Good Luck and welcome to the Retribution spec.
@Фейсролочка (love copy-paste): Pure Awesome. I envy you a lot. A lot of lots.
What you guys think.Link is under my sig.
In the light's darkest hour the light shines brightest.
All light eventually is consumed by the darkness.
Anyone can apologize it takes a true man to forgive.
Run more LFR and get ur 2pc T13 atleast. Replace bracer enchant with STR chant. Other then that everything else looks decent.
Ok me next, I know I gotta replace the 2 LFR pcs and get more epic gems. Besides that let me have it...
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yes i understand im missing some enchants and what not but im working on them if they werent so expensive on my server or if i could be bothered to get the mats for them and make myself but w/e.
oh and another things i only raid in LFR and so only have access to raid finder gear/ VP stuff etc
You should be using the Glyph of Seal of Truth instead of Glyph of Judgement. The +10 expertise is extremely op, and you should reforge your gear accordingly to 16 expertise, and 8% hit.
You should also be using the str+mastery gem on your ring.
Also, try to get your hands on the vp belt, it's better than even the normal hagara belt imo.
Here's my armory, I can't link yet.
I've been trying to get a better boot, but no luck yet. And I do have all normal DS trinkets, and swap them depending on fights.
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Yes, I'm normally using curled twilight + vp ring.
you have nice gear. Take the Chest for your 397 BiS.
How long did you try Sinestra?^^
(Need also some old heroic kills.. my old guild brokes on Ragnaros because 2 or 3 members left / quit)
My retribution paladin:
I did Sinestra yesterday with a pug and it's so easy I got mad at people who were proud of the kill afterwards. I don't know what to compare it to but Rag Heroic is still much much harder. All heroics in DS except Morchok obviously also all harder.
Regarding your armory all looks good. Personally I roll with more Crit and Divinity over Repentance in the spec.
i have the ultraxion trinket but i find myself better with the AoK, set is still 384 because i use to leave drops form guild raid to guild mates , i dont care who will gear up for first
youur missing engineering tinkers
I dont play in a hardcore no-lifer guild, but in a 2 days a week "hardcore" mythic guild.


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On Friday, four former JAG officerstwo of them admirals, two of them generalssent a letter to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, urging him to consider Michael Mukasey's nomination in light of his failure to go on the record about the legality of waterboarding. "This is a critically important issue," they wrote," but it has not, and never has been, a complex issue, and even to suggest otherwise does a terrible disservice to this nation. All U.S. Government agencies and personnel, and not just America's military forces, must abide by both the spirit and letter of the controlling provisions of international law. Cruelty and tortureno less than wanton killingis neither justified nor legal in any circumstance." Today, as the Senate Judiciary Committee prepares to vote on Mukasey's nomination, a group of 24 former intelligence officialsamong them, Valerie Plame Wilsonfired off their own letter to Leahy and ranking member Arlen Specter, calling on them to hold the nomination of the president's AG pick until he clarifies his position on the controversial interrogation practice. "Judge Mukasey's refusal to comment on waterboarding, on grounds that it would be 'irresponsible' to provide 'an uninformed legal opinion based on hypothetical facts and circumstances,' raises serious questions," they wrote, noting that the "conundrum created to justify the nominee's silence on this key issue is a synthetic one."
It is within your power to resolve it readily. If Mukasey continues to drag his feet, you need only to facilitate a classified briefing for him on waterboarding and the C.I.A. interrogation program. He will then be able to render an informed legal opinion. We strongly suggest that you sit in on any such briefing and that you invite the chairman and the ranking member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence to take part as well. Receiving the same briefing at the same time (and, ideally, having it taped) should enhance the likelihood of candor and make it possible for all to beand to stayon the same page on this delicate issue.
If the White House refuses to allow such a briefing, your committee must, in our opinion, put a hold on Mukasey's nomination. We are aware that the president warned last week that it will be either Mukasey as our attorney general or no one. So be it. It is time to stand up for what is right and require from the Executive the information necessary for the Senate to function responsibly and effectively. It would seem essential not to approve a nominee who has already made clear he is reluctant to ask questions of the White House. How can a person with that attitude even be proposed to be our chief law enforcement officer?
Despite the strongly worded letters, it seems likely that the Judiciary Committee will greenlight Mukasey later today, without learning his stance on waterboarding, given that two key Democrats on the committee (Chuck Schumer and Dianne Feinstein) broke ranks with five of their colleagues last week, announcing that they would back the nominee. So, after a full Senate vote, we could be looking at AG Mukasey as early as weeks end.
Update: By a margin of 11 to 8, the Judiciary Committee just cleared the way for Mukasey to up for a full Senate vote. Schumer and Feinstein were the only Dems to vote yay.


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craft room update
So it seems that I need more room for crafting and less for sewing nowadays. The sewing machine has been put up for a while so I have some fun with some old friends. I forgot how much fun I can have with some papers, glues, paints and the like. Here lately I have been really getting into stamping, mixed media and painting.
So it was time to reconfigure the craft room I did not take the quilts down as they remain my part of my family, but will be putting up some of my other stuff soon. I am amazed how much room I have with the sewing stuff all put away. After I took these pics below, I even put away my ironing board and brought out a table to sit at. It is totally lovely to be able to sit and stamp, paint and the like.
Here is the room now
As you can see there is still a lot of sewing stuff around. I just have other things in front of it. Also I can still work on my hand embroidery and on my crazy quilting as all that stuff is easy to get to. It is the machine embroidery and fabric items that are behind tables and shelves.
I know that sooner or later I will be returning to these things and they will be waiting there for me. Just like we go through stages in our lives and we also go through times when different things appeal to us. I like to think that means I am well rounded, and not just physically, ha.
Currently, it is the artsy part of me that is getting the attention and fun while, for the past five years it was the traditional quilter that was getting stoked. By paying attention to all parts of our lives I feel we maintain our mental health and are able to deal with what life throws at us.
I like to think of my craft room as a reflection of my mental health. It seems that when I am starting a new project it is clean and relatively neat. My mind is in decision making mode, business like and efficient. Then when in the middle of the project the mess begins and towards the end things are strewn all over the room. My mind and focus are entirely on the project. Actually, my mind cannot seem to focus on anything BUT the project and all the myriad details that go into it. Then when the project is down, I walk it down the hall to show my husband and all is well. He gives his approval (he has been trained well in that department -ha, ha) and then I go back to the craft room and clean up.
When the day comes that I cannot work in my craft room, I will be at a loss. I hope there will be something around to pick up the slack. I believe all will be OK if I judge from past history. Cause see I go through phases and move on.


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At 15 years coaching Colorado College ice hockey, head coach Scott Owens has announced he'll step down from his position.
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leaking air on intake or/and out of sync or/and airscrew,
It runs great with good throttle response until it warms up and then it'll race. I can get it to knock down at a stop by letting the clutch out to where it engages and then it brings down the idle to normal.
Ive got stock pipes and jetting, knockoff pod filters, and 1and a half turns out on the main pilot screw.
Thanks, Dave.
leaking air on intake or/and out of sync or/and airscrew,
assembly of Japanese motorcycles requires great peace of mind (Pirsig)
I haven't yet synced the carbs and I don't know what an airscrew is.
The pod filters seem to allow very generous airflow.
Is what you're suggesting as a remedy a more restrictive filter situation will prevent the idle from racing as the engine heats up?
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I believe what he means is an air leak between the carburetor and the engine. either a bad gasket between the engine and carb boot, or the rubber carb boot is too hardened and the clamp isn't making an air tight seal. i know an air leak here would cause fast idling, i think too much filter flow will just cause mixture issues, not the racing idle.
the air screw is the mixture screw that you have out however many turns, there are many names for this and can get confusing.
the pod filters might be part of the issue, but do some plug chop tests to really see whats going on. it seems annoying, having to buy all these plugs to do a bunch of tests over and over, but it really is very helpful and the only way to figure it out. I had the same issue, i thought the filters were flowing too much, causing lean running. after plug chops, i found out they were too restrictive actually and i had to go down in get size.
to start i would double check the mixture screw is the same turns out, and sync your carbs. then look for leaks and do some plug chops.
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By plug chops, do you mean removing the spark plug to inspect the coloration?
Plug chops "mean what they say on the tin". You cut the engine whilst running then remove the plug and cut off the screw thread and see what colour the insulator is right down to its base.
Please feel free to correct me if I have misunderstood this procedure I wont feel too embarrased.
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Step 1. Acquire a six-pack of your favorite beverage.
Step 2. Google the term "plug chop" and start reading and/or watching videos.
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hanging idle can also be caused by weak spark advance springs, so when you rev up, they stretch out, and are meant to pull in the advance as you let off the throttle. if they are weak, the timing will stay advanced and the idle will hang.
easiest way to check this is with a timing light. if the timing sits at the marks at idle, then advances to between the 2 "advanced" marks, then when you let off the throttle, the timing stays at the advanced marks, this is your problem. if the timing returns back to the idle marks, but the rpms still hang, then this is not your problem.
if this is the problem, the solution is to try and find replacement springs of some kind, or bend in the hooks of the existing springs a bit to "tighten" them up. while your in there, clean up the advancer unit really well so it rotates very easily.
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"I believe what he means is an air leak between the carburetor and the engine. either a bad gasket between the engine and carb boot, or the rubber carb boot is too hardened and the clamp isn't making an air tight seal. i know an air leak here would cause fast idling, i think too much filter flow will just cause mixture issues, not the racing idle"
An easy way to test this, is to spray some carb cleaner at joint where the carb/rubber/ clamp meet, if it gets sucked in and the idle raises, then you have an air leak.
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