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Because of its dedication to the universal truths of equality and liberty, America has a special role to play in the world: this country has a responsibility to uphold the cause of freedom abroad. Here are three must-reads and some basic Q&As to get a handle on foreign policy. When you're ready for more, explore foreign policy in greater depth.
The most important goal of American foreign policy is to defend the independence of the United States, so that America can govern itself according to its principles and pursue its national interests. The U.S. is therefore committed to providing for its common defense, protecting the freedom of its commerce, and seeking peaceful relations with other nations.
At the same time, American foreign policy has a set of long-term goals, or a grand strategy, that have traditionally guided its foreign policy thinking. This grand strategy is shaped by the universal significance of America's founding principles, and the country's unique responsibility to uphold and advance these principles. The Founders believed that the idea of human liberty, and, therefore, the inherent right of self-government, were applicable not only to Americans, but to all people everywhere. For over 200 years, through regular diplomacy in times of peace and firm resolve in times of war, the United States has steadily, though at times imperfectly, enhanced the respect for the ideas of liberty, equality, and justice around the world.
For more on the principles of American foreign policy, see Matthew Spalding's First Principles essay "
America's Founders and the Principles of Foreign Policy: Sovereign Independence, National Interest, and the Cause of Liberty in the World."
America has a special role in the world—one that is grounded in the universal nature of its founding principles. Because America is dedicated to the proposition that all men—not just all Americans—are created equal, it must adopt a foreign policy that reflects the political truths that define it. America's role in the world is therefore to stand for the principles of liberty, independence, and self-government, and its interests are defined and shaped by those principles.
This does not mean that the United States has a duty to topple all tyrannical regimes and establish republican governments the world over. That said, the United States may determine that in certain cases it is necessary to fight the monsters of despotism in order to protect its interests, defend freedom, and preserve peace. Foreign policy is always a question of prudence.
For more on the subject, see Marion Smith's Understanding America booklet "What Is America's Role in the World?"
America does not have a formal duty to protect the rights of all mankind since no citizen is required to risk his life for the security or well-being of people in a faraway land. America, like all other countries, has a duty not to infringe upon the rights of others. But the government's duty to secure rights only extends to its citizens—not the whole world.
Given the universal significance of the principles of the Declaration of Independence, America must, however, stand up for those whose natural rights are violated around the world and assist them when possible. This is principled American diplomacy.
For more on the subject, see Marion Smith's Understanding America booklet "What Is America's Role in the World?"
The Constitution vests the power to make foreign policy in the federal government, specifically in the President and the Senate. The President takes the lead in crafting American foreign policy as the nation's chief diplomat with the constitutional power to make treaties and appoint ambassadors. This authority, however, is checked by the Senate's power of "Advice and Consent": Not only does the Senate need to approve any presidential appointments or treaty agreements, but it can also amend those treaties. While the House of Representatives is given no official role in directing foreign policy beyond declaring war, it can through the power of the purse express public sentiments about the actions of the President and Senate. With this division of power the Founding Fathers found a way to permit the effective and energetic conduct of foreign relations while imposing a system of accountability.
For more on the subject, see Baker Spring's Understanding America booklet "Who Makes American Foreign Policy?"
Sovereignty is a simple idea: The United States is an independent nation and it should therefore control its own affairs. Sovereignty is of fundamental importance in America because its laws derive their legitimacy from the American people, not from any foreign power or international organization.
The Founding Fathers understood that if America did not have sovereignty, it could not be independent. If a foreign power can tell America "what we shall do, and what we shall not do," George Washington once wrote to Alexander Hamilton, "we have Independence yet to seek, and have contended hitherto for very little."
Today, sovereignty faces new threats under the guise of global governance. International organizations and courts seek undermine national sovereignty and expect nations to be governed by a global consensus. The United States cannot participate in this new world order and still remain governed by the Constitution. The U.S. must cooperate internationally, but it must be vigilant in the protection of America's sovereign independence.
For more on sovereignty, see Steven Groves's Understanding America booklet "Why Does Sovereignty Matter to America?"
Yes. From the retaliatory raids on the Barbary pirates at the turn of the 19th century to the 2011 bombing campaign in Libya, American Presidents have deployed military force several hundred times in the nation's history. Yet Congress has declared war on only five occasions—and only once to initiate hostilities (the War of 1812 against Britain). There is no inconsistency in this. The Framers of the Constitution carefully distinguished a declaration of war—which alters the legal relationships between subjects of warring nations—from the act of waging war. Given the exigencies of warfare, the Framers roundly rejected the idea of placing the power to wage war in the legislative branch and vested it instead in the executive. Congress cannot tell the President how to deploy the military forces it raises and funds. Ultimately of course, Congress's control of the purse strings constitutes a powerful check on the President.
For more on the subject, see the Constitutional Guidance for Lawmakers essay by John Yoo and James C. Ho, "The Sword and the Purse (Part 2): The President as Commander in Chief."
Under the Constitution, the President has ultimate discretion over the deployment of soldiers and nearly all aspects of the conduct of war—including the initiation of hostilities. Ever mindful of the dangers of unfettered powers, however, the Framers were careful to empower Congress to check the President by controlling the funding of the military. Congress has the power to deny or cut funding for any federal activity, including military operations. The President may be Commander in Chief, but he has nothing to command except what Congress may provide. As a result of Congress's authority over the purse, the President is unable as a practical matter to engage in hostilities for very long without the support of Congress. This is why it is usually prudent for Presidents to have the support of the Congress and the American people before engaging in hostilities abroad.
For more on the subject, see the Constitutional Guidance for Lawmakers essay by John Yoo and James C. Ho, "The Sword and the Purse (Part 1): The Role of Congress in War."
As a young nation, the American republic tried to remain outside of the turbulent affairs of Europe. Yet this prudential policy should not be mistaken for a principled withdrawal from world affairs. In reality, America's early foreign policy was remarkably engaged. Although it may look unimpressive by today's standards, America's early foreign policy was more supportive of liberty than that of any other country at the time. This was true when the United States was the first established nation to recognize the independence of Argentina, Peru, Chile, Colombia, and Mexico in 1822, as well as when America diplomatically supported the Greeks and Hungarians in their wars for independence.
This tradition of standing for freedom grows out of America's founding principles, anchored as they are in the universal equality of men. The Founders believed that the idea of human liberty and, therefore, the inherent right to self-government were applicable not only to Americans, but to all people everywhere. They were consequently keenly aware of the universal significance of America's principles and of America's unique responsibility for upholding and advancing these principles. This does not imply a duty to spread the ideas of liberty through force, but it does highlight America's unique role in the cause of liberty in the world.
For more on the subject, see Marion Smith's First Principles Essay "The Myth of Isolationism, Part 1: American Leadership and the Cause of Liberty."
The Founders were suspicious of standing armies because they knew that, in Europe, they had been used by monarchs to oppress the people. That said, the absence of a military capable of defending the United States threatened the very existence of the nation. The weakness of the thirteen states under the Articles of Confederation convinced the Founders that the nation needed a stronger government, including a stronger military.
In order to provide for the nation's security while avoiding the dangers of a standing military, the Founders made the common defense a shared responsibility of Congress and the President, the elected (and separate) branches of government. This helped ensure that the American military would serve the nation, not subvert the rule of the people.
Thus, Congress declares war and funds the armed forces: the Constitution gives Congress power to "raise and support armies" and to "provide and maintain a navy." The President commands the armed forces and controls their operations: as Commander in Chief, he is obliged to defend and protect the nation. In his role as the country's chief diplomat, he also seeks to keep the peace.
The Cold War: A New History
John Lewis Gaddis (Penguin Press, 2005)
In The Cold War: A New History, John Lewis Gaddis, the dean of Cold War historians, provides a crisp and comprehensive survey of this epic conflict. Gaddis grapples the beginning and the end of the global war that pitted America and the free world against the Soviet Union and its satellites on every continent, sometimes in battle, sometimes in negotiation.
Dictatorships and Double Standards: Rationalism and Reason in Politics
Jeane J. Kirkpatrick (Simon & Schuster, 1982)
As a respected but relatively unknown professor of government at Georgetown University and a life-long Democrat, Jeane Kirkpatrick chose the pages of the neoconservative journal Commentary to state bluntly, "The failure of the Carter administration's foreign policy is now clear to everyone except its architects." In this article, she discusses the Carter foreign policy and concludes that it "violated the strategic and economic interests of the United States."
Statecraft: Strategies for a Changing World
Margaret Thatcher (HarperCollins, 2002)
Margaret Thatcher, the first woman to serve as Britain's prime minister, embarked on a political partnership with President Reagan that became the driving force of a conservative revolution that transformed the political landscape of the West. In this work, she reflects on that battle and modern international relations. She concludes that America is the most reliable guardian of freedom in the world.
Of Paradise and Power: America and Europe in the New World Order
Robert Kagan (Alfred A. Knopf, 2003)
Of Paradise and Power was a national best-seller, widely praised for its impressive command of history. In it, Robert Kagan examines the conflicted U.S.–European relationship. He argues at the end of the Cold War, Europeans concluded that any international conflict could be solved by diplomacy and international law, but still remained dependent upon America's willingness to use its military might "to deter or defeat those around the world" that still practice power politics.
What Went Wrong? Western Impact and Middle Eastern Response
Bernard Lewis (Oxford University Press, 2002)
For a thousand years, the world of Islam considered itself the leader in human civilization and achievement. In attempting to determine the reasons for Islam's decline and fall, many in the Middle East have blamed others, the villains ranging from the Mongols to the Turks to the Americans. To the Western observer, Lewis writes, the reason for stagnation is clear: The lack of freedom in politics, economics, and culture.
The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order
Samuel P. Huntington (Simon & Schuster, 1996)
In The Clash of Civilizations, Huntington argues that since the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the end of the 45-year Cold War, the paradigms of international politics have changed. He asserts that the world is "multi-civilizational"; that the balance of power is shifting from the West to the East. Huntington's thesis, in light of declining Western power, is that the "survival of the West depends on Americans reaffirming their Western identity."
Liberty's Best Hope: American Leadership for the 21st Century
Kim R. Holmes (The Heritage Foundation, 2008)
Kim Holmes, Vice President of Foreign and Defense Policy Studies at The Heritage Foundation and former Assistant Secretary of State for International Organization Affairs, offers a thoughtful analysis and blueprint for what America must do to advance freedom, beginning with a policy of victory in Afghanistan and the war on terrorism. The world has changed dramatically since the end of the Cold War, writes Holmes, but America's role as the primary defender of liberty has not changed and will not change.
American Foreign Policy and the Blessings of Liberty
Samuel Flagg Bemis (Yale University Press, 1962)
This collection of essays by the eminent historian Samuel Flagg Bemis spans American diplomacy from the Revolution to Woodrow Wilson. His accounts of the perilous and opportune moments in U.S. foreign policy offer valuable insight for those tasked with understanding or making foreign policy today.
God & Gold: Britain, America, and the Making of the Modern World
Walter Russell Mead (Alfred A. Knopf, 2007)
Historian Walter Russell Mead argues that there is something unique and singularly effective about Anglo-American—but especially the United States'—foreign policy tradition. Of prime importance is the understanding that trade, sea power, and economic prosperity are key elements of a successful foreign policy.
A Sacred Union of Citizens: George Washington's Farewell Address and the American Character
Matthew Spalding & Patrick Garrity (Rowman & Littlefield, 1996)
George Washington's wisdom on matters of war and peace is timeless. Much of his thoughts on American diplomacy are contained in his Farewell Address to the nation that he served with such heroic and selfless devotion. For generations of American statesmen after, Washington's words and example set the tone and established the goals of American foreign policy.
Grand Strategies: Literature, Statecraft, and World Order
Charles Hill (Yale University Press, 2010)
This book challenges those who would be statesmen to broaden their knowledge and the sources of their inspiration. The social sciences, and especially political science, address only a narrow range of problems—leaving the biggest questions beyond its reach. "A purely rational or technocratic approach is likely to lead one astray," Hill writes. Literature spans the disciplines and addresses the fundamentals of human nature. Without imagination, a grasp of history, and "literary insight," students of statecraft are left impoverished.
Classics of Strategy and Diplomacy
A starting point for anyone seeking to tackle the classics of strategy, diplomacy, and counterinsurgency, the website features helpful introductions to works by everyone from Sun Tzu to Carl von Clausewitz to Samuel Huntington.
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The all new Karizma ZMR has finally arrived. Hero Honda has carried out substantial upgrades to its 7 year old flagship model. This time around the upgrade is far more than just new stickers and coloured dials.
The Karizma ZMR gets the much awaited Fuel Injection system. It comes with the tested PGM-Fi (Programmed Fuel Injection) which was first seen on Glamour and the recently launched Honda CBF Stunner. The 223cc oil cooled PGM-Fi engine has a slight increase in power output.
The bike gets a restyled headlamp with relocated pilot lamps. Rear view mirrors are now mounted on the newly styled front hood. Like the Yahama YZF-R15, Karizma ZMR now comes with a full engine fairing.
The bike is fitted with clip-on handle bars and a digital display console. The uniquely designed meter console houses digital speedometer, digital RMP meter, tachometer, trip meter, digital fuel gauge, real time fuel consumption indicator and a digital clock.
Karizma ZMR now gets a rear disc brake for better braking power. The bike sports a set of inverted Gas Reservoir shock absorbers, similar to the Hunk. Also new is the all black powder coated exhaust pipe with heat shield, new rear split grab rails and new LED tail lamps with integrated turn indicators.
With all the added technology and features, the Karizma ZMR now comes with a price tag of Rs 91,000, ex-showroom Delhi. It will go on sale across the country by the end of this month.
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This manuscript (and even the treatise it contained) was totally unknown to scholars prior to its being offered for sale at auction in London on 10 October 2000 (Christie's,
Islamic Art & Manuscripts
, lot 41). At auction the manuscript was purchased by Sam Fogg, a well-known London dealer in rare books and manuscripts. Not long thereafter he offered it to the Bodleian Library at a price well under the true market value. In June of 2002, following an extensive fund-raising effort, the Bodleian Library celebrated the acquisition of this unique Arabic manuscript. The volume has now the shelfmark: Bodleian Library, Dept. of Oriental Collections, MS. Arab. c. 90.
The Binding
When acquired by the Bodleian Library, the volume was contained in an Ottoman binding of, possibly, eighteenth or nineteenth century date; the binding was too small for the manuscript and in extremely poor condition. The first folio of the manuscript has staining which indicates that an earlier binding included an envelope flap. At present, the volume is disbound with the binding removed and stored separately. The manuscript will ultimately be rebound and given a new binding meeting modern standards of preservation and conservation.
The conservation of the manuscript was carried out by Alison McKay and Sabina Pugh in the conservation laboratories of the Bodleian Library. Multiple layers of old repairs had accumulated on the leaves, causing particular stiffness in the spine area. Sympathetic new repairs replaced the old ones to improve the opening and reveal text and images, but some were left in place as they were considered to be part of the cultural history of the manuscript.
A preliminary analysis of the pigments was conducted by Dr Sandra Grantham, a consultant paper conservator, using optical microscopy in the conservation workshop of the Bodleian Library. A full analysis using Raman Spectroscopy was subsequently carried out by Dr Tracey Chaplin at the Christopher Ingold Laboratories, University College London. Six pigments were identified in the illustrations: cinnabar (red), orpiment (yellow), lazurite (blue), indigo, carbon-based black and basic lead carbonate (a 'lead white'); four further pigments (a golden material, a green pigment, the purple pigment used to depict city walls, and the blue component of the dark green pigment mixture on certain folios) could not be identified. No evidence of modern inks or pigments was revealed. The results of the scientific analyses are completely consistent with the suggested origin and age of the manuscript.
The results of the Raman spectroscopic analysis have been published: Tracey D. Chaplin, Robin J. H. Clark, Alison McKay, and Sabina Pugh,
'Raman spectroscopic analysis of
The Book of Curiosities of the Sciences and Marvels for the Eyes
, in the
Journal of Raman Spectroscopy
, vol.37, 2006. Further examination of the pigments was carried out by Sabina Pugh in the conservation workshop of the Bodleian Library, who used optical microscopy to try to determine which pigments belonged to the original paint layer, and which were over-painting or re-touching. The findings will be written up in an internal Bodleian Conservation Report.
With the manuscript disbound for conservation purposes, the exhibition of its numerous illustrations became possible. The circular world map in the manuscript was chosen by the National Art Collections Fund (one of the major contributors toward the acquisition of the manuscript) for display on the occasion of the exhibition 'Saved! 100 years of the National Art Collections Fund', held at the Hayward Gallery, London, 23 October 2003 – 18 January 2004. See the exhibition catalogue:
Saved! 100 years of the National Art Collections Fund
, ed. by Richard Verdi (London: Hayward Gallery, 2003) p. 278 item 225.
An exhibition of most of the maps and illustrations was held in the Bodleian Library's Exhibition room from 14 June to 30 October, 2004. Titled 'Medieval Views of the Cosmos: Mapping Earth and Sky at the time of the Book of Curiosities', the exhibition included comparative materials from the Islamic and the Christian worlds illustrating roughly contemporary developments in mapping. Items on display were drawn primarily from the collections of the Bodleian Library, but there were also manuscripts from two Oxford colleges (St John's and Corpus Christi), instruments from the Museum of the History of Science, and artefacts from the Ashmolean Museum. The exhibition was officially opened on 14 June 2004 by Dr Ahdaf Soueif (novelist and author of
The Map of Love
) and Mr Terry Jones (comedian, writer, and author of
Who Murdered Chaucer?
During the run of the exhibition, gallery talks were given every week by two members of the project team: Yossef Rapoport and Emilie Savage-Smith. The chief curator for the exhibition was Dr Emilie Savage-Smith, who was joined by the other members of the project team: Miss Lesley Forbes, Dr Jeremy Johns, and Dr Yossef Rapoport. The actual mounting of the exhibition was the responsibility of Dana Josephson, Principal Conservation Assistant for Exhibitions, Bodleian Library. The design of the wall panels was the responsibility of Sue Ayres.
To complement the exhibition, the Bodleian published an illustrated small book entitled
Medieval Views of the Cosmos: Picturing the Universe in the Christian and Islamic Middle Ages
, by Evelyn Edson and Emilie Savage-Smith [ISBN 1 85124 184 1]. Produced in lieu of a catalogue, the subject of this book is broader than that of the exhibition, but it still provided an opportunity to reproduce in high-quality photographs several of the maps from this manuscript along with diagrammatic explanations. The volume is available for sale at the
Bodleian Library Shop
or (in Europe) through the distributor Extenza Turpin Ltd, Stratton Business Park, Pegasus Drive, Biggleswade, Bedfordshire, England SG18 8QS, or (in the U.S.A.) through the University of Chicago Press. An expanded German version was published in 2004 (E. Edson, E. Savage-Smith, and A-D. von den Brincken,
Der mittelalterliche Kosmos: Karten der christlichen und islamischen Welt
, Darmstadt: Primus Verlag) and a Korean translation in 2006.
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Pumpkin Pie with Nut Crust
Recipe by Healthy Living How To
Serves 6-8
Nut Crust
Prep Time: 5 minutes
Cook Time: 15 minutes
- 1 c. Unblanched Almond Flour
- 1/2 c. Bob�s Red Mill Hazelnut Meal/Flour
- 1/4 c. Extra Light Olive Oil or Coconut Oil
- Pinch of Celtic Sea Salt
1. With a fork, mix oil with nut flour and salt until you have a "crumble-like" texture.
2. With fingers, pat crust into bottom and halfway up the sides of 9 inch pie plate.
3. Bake at 350� F for 15 minutes or until lightly brown.
4. Must be completely cool before filling.
Pumpkin Pie
Prep Time: 3 minutes
Cook Time: 50 minutes
- (1) 15 oz. Can Farmer's Market Organic Pumpkin
- (1) 13.5 oz. Can Native Forest Organic Coconut Milk
- 3/4 tsp. Ground Cinnamon
- 1/2 tsp. Ground Nutmeg
- 1/4 tsp. Ground Ginger
- 1/4 tsp. Ground Cloves
- 1/2 tsp. Celtic Sea Salt
- 1/8 tsp. NuNaturals Pure White Stevia Extract Powder
- 2 Large Organic Eggs
- 1 Nut Crust
1. Mix pumpkin, coconut milk, spices and stevia together.
2. Add eggs and mix slowly just until thoroughly mixed.
3. Pour pie filling into nut crust.
3. Bake at 425� F for 15 minutes, then reduce temperature to 350� F for an additional 35 minutes.
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In an NBC News article published Wednesday evening, reporter Tom Winter erroneously wrote that Michael Brown was seen committing a "stick-up" in a video released by police. Ethics professor Jeremy V. Cruz provided Colorlines with a screen grab of how the article appeared on the site Wednesday evening:
Cruz brought up the error up to Winter himself Thursday afternoon on Twitter:
See @Tom_Winter of @NBCNews frame alleged #MikeBrown shoplifting as a "stick-up." http://t.co/JiIWXu80Vj pic.twitter.com/IOzORVPmjP
-- Jeremy V. Cruz (@JeremyVCruz) August 22, 2014
Winter responded that he could "see why people may imply a gun was used." But the word "stick-up" doesn't imply that a gun is used--the dictionary definition of "stick-up" indicates that it's a robbery in which a gun a used:
NBC News has since updated the story, without explanation.
Even if Brown had used a gun in the alleged robbery that occurred before he was shot and killed by Darren Wilson, it wouldn't matter. Wilson stopped Brown for jaywalking--not as a suspect in a crime.


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Aug 17, 2012 - The Associated PressCHEYENNE -- Wyoming Democrats are going into Tuesday's primary election a bit short on cash.
Incumbent Wyoming Republicans Sen. John Barrasso and Rep. Cynthia Lummis have raised nearly $4 million between the two of them for their re-election campaigns so far, according to Federal Elections Commission records.
Meanwhile, the two Democrats perhaps most likely to face Barrasso and Lummis in November's general election said Thursday that they've raised about $17,000 collectively.
Wyoming Democratic Party officials concede that they're trying to rebuild following the shellacking they received in the 2010 general election. When the dust settled on that blowout, the GOP emerged holding all three of the state's congressional seats, every statewide political office, and overwhelming majorities in both houses of the Legislature.
Democrat Chris Henrichsen, a political science instructor at Casper College, is unopposed in seeking his party's nomination to run against Lummis in November. It's his first run for public office.
Henrichsen said Thursday that he's raised and spent about $16,000 in the race so far. He said he's drawn support from fellow Democrats at the county level as he's campaigned around Wyoming in recent months in his personal car. However, he said the National Democratic Party is ignoring his race and there's not much of a state party organization left to help either.
Henrichsen turned to Twitter on Tuesday night to voice his dissatisfaction with the state party. He called for new leadership following a recent fundraiser in Jackson to benefit out-of-state candidates including Montana Sen. Jon Tester, former Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine and Rep. Martin Heinrich of New Mexico.
Henrichsen and Colorado congressional candidate Sal Pace were introduced at the event by Wyoming Democratic Party Treasurer Leslie Petersen, who said they were hoping to get some "crumbs" leftover after donors took care of the other candidates. She later acknowledged the comment, but said she said it jokingly.
Henrichsen said Thursday he welcomes the freedom that lack of party support gives him.
"When people say, 'What about (House Speaker) Nancy Pelosi, what about the leadership? When you get elected, what are they going to tell you to do?' I tell them all the time, 'Nancy Pelosi doesn't talk to me now, and when I'm in Congress it's not going to matter what she tells me either.'"
Three Democrats are facing off for their party's nomination to run for Senate: Albany County Commissioner Tim Chesnut, perennially unsuccessful candidate Al Hamburg of Torrington, and William Bryk, a New Yorker apparently filing long-distance in far-flung Wyoming on a lark.
Chesnut said Thursday he has raised a little over $800 in the race and spent more than $300. He said he intends to start traveling around the state after the primary election.
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Oct 17, 2011 at 2:39 pm #1280749
My two sons and I are going to the Philmont Scout Reservation in August 2012 and we need to upgrade our current packs. We want to stay with an exterior frame, and from what I've read, DD is about the best external frame pack there is. We don't have a preference at this time (longbed, shortbed, T1 etc.), just want something dependable. As for sizes – we are three different body dimensions with torsos that measure from 15" to 21" and waists measuring from 34" to 38" so we'll have to just see what's out there that may work for us.Oct 17, 2011 at 3:13 pm #1791702
Dale WambaughBPL Member
@dwambaughLocale: Pacific Northwest
Consider the Osprey Exos series packs. They have external frames and excellent weight transfer. The Dana packs are outdated and heavy. If you can find three for sale, you will pay a premium for the mystique and I assume that you aren't a collector. You will get a lifetime warranty with the Osprey packs and a good range of sizes for your crew.
You may need a membership to read the series of articles on framed packs, but it is worth it:
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/lw_internal_frame_packs_part_2.htmlOct 17, 2011 at 3:14 pm #1791703
Before you buy another 6-7 pound external frame pack, read this article:
Doug has been to Philmont many times…Oct 17, 2011 at 7:41 pm #1791815
Zeno MarxMember
I have a Dana Design T-1 for sale. Size R(egular) frame and size R(regular) belt. If still interested in finding one of these classics, please message me.Oct 17, 2011 at 8:08 pm #1791835
Ryan ElseyMember
@paintballswimguyLocale: Kansas City
You really should consider looking into internal frame packs (theres a lot more options out there, is the main reason). ULA, MLD, or SMD all offer great options, that are lightweight and very touch. (I have and LOVE my ULA Circuit, it was a great transition coming from a Gregory Palisade).Oct 17, 2011 at 8:15 pm #1791840
Ryan ElseyMember
@paintballswimguyLocale: Kansas City
You should buy everything else your planning on taking to philmont with you first, before you buy a new pack. It will help you get a pack thats the perfect size, for what you need to carry.Oct 17, 2011 at 11:15 pm #1791879
It is interesting that you knew/know what you want and ask a very specific ? about a certain pack and yet you get info from people (who also do not have what you are looking for) that what you are looking for is not what you want! And they are trying to educate you out of your choice as well- that IMHO is pathetic and uncalled for- especially since you did not ask for it.
If you really want a external for maybe carrying heavy loads at times- then that is what you should get. I use internals most of the time, but a external can be the right tool for a lot of applications. Do you need one, maybe not, but in certain situations they can't be beat. No disrespect- but most of the people on this forum have never carried over 75 pounds for any extended period of time and also have never had a pack that was up to the task. Sorry, but it is true. Do I like to carry that much weight myself?- no, but if I have to- I want a pack that is up to the task. When you have to pack a hard earned Elk out of canyon 4-5 miles in the wilderness by yourself (and make 3-4 round trip loads); you learn to appreciate what a good pack can do for you. And when you do not have one that is up to the task, you also really understand that also. I have been in both situations before, and given the choice, I will take a pack that is up to the task any day.
Now the Dana Design externals are considered one of the best external frames ever made- meant to carry very heavy loads. Still carried by guides in Alaska who carry moose out on them with truly heavy 3 figure loads. Now try doing that with a Osprey Exos (which BTW is NOT a true external) and then tell me after 3 miles with 85-100 pounds on your back with one of those Exos packs (or fill in the blank with any other internal today) with the "updated" frame how you are doing. Carry a load like that, if you can, with the DD external and then tell me which one you want to continue the pack out with- the DD or the Exos. Tell me after that which one is the "mystique".
There are very few internal made today that are made for carrying truly heavy loads, most do not even have the stitching that can handle the loads. And if you want a good external the old DD externals can't be beat. I can tell you that they are every bit as good as what is made today. I now have a new Mystery Ranch (current Dana Design company) NICE frame that is now used by the US Military and hunters to carry very heavy loads and they are quality bomb proof packs. They are kind of a hybrid ext./int. type frame. And I also have a DD external frame (T-1) and if I had to pick which one was more comfortable for carrying heavy loads- I would go with the DD external instead of the MR Nice frame. Even for 60-70 pounds, the old DD external beats the new MR Nice frame. That is not just my consensus- it is shared by others who have used both.
So, before someone tells you that supposedly old technology is not good enough, they should compare it with some of the best new technology that is more of a fair comparison. For all I know when you say you want a good external pack- you know what you want, and who am I to tell you that is not what you want. And no one else should do the same.
Now if I want to go light (and if you were asking for that) I do not bring a heavy external pack frame- there are better options and I bring a light internal. But if I was going to go on a long canoe trip with lots of portages etc. and was going to carry heavy loads- then the DD ext. would be what I would reach for. Or today if I was going to carry a lot of heavy gear into a Scout jamboree (which I did in my scouting days- with a old Camp Trails ext.)- I would now take the DD ext.
So you keep looking for exactly what YOU want.
And enjoy that trip with your boys- you will make memories to last a lifetime.Oct 17, 2011 at 11:30 pm #1791881
If you want me to steer you in a direction of some websites where you may have better luck finding a DD ext pack- send me a PM. And probably, (no guarantees) on those sites- you will probably not be "re-educated" out of what your asking for- unless you ask to be.
And I also saw here that Zeno Marx is selling some DD packs. And I can tell you that he is a stand up fella. Here is is link here:
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=54715Oct 18, 2011 at 1:07 am #1791893
Ken DanielsMember
@oruacat2Locale: Bluegrass country
Get a Dana Designs pack and your sons will be passing them down to their sons and grandsons.Oct 18, 2011 at 7:14 am #1791932
Zeno MarxMember
"It is interesting that you knew/know what you want and ask a very specific ? about a certain pack and yet you get info from people (who also do not have what you are looking for) that what you are looking for is not what you want! And they are trying to educate you out of your choice as well- that IMHO is pathetic and uncalled for- especially since you did not ask for it."
BRAVO. BRAVO! While this being a greatly ultralight forum, I don't understand why it is so difficult for some to grasp why light and ultralight philosophies are not the be-all, end-all answers to everyone's needs. While trying to be helpful, it can be presumptuous, rude, and even wasteful of the solicitor's time and/or even money to steer them into inapplicable territory.Oct 18, 2011 at 10:59 am #1792021
BTW, I have one of these packs and if I were going to be schlepping moose parts it would probably be the way to go. That being said, this website is, in fact, called "Backpacking Light"…hence the suggestions to look at other, possibly lightweight options, especially articles such as Doug's (who has been to Philmont 20+ times). It pays to have an open mind in my opinion…Sometimes people don't know what to ask for because they don't know what's out there.Oct 18, 2011 at 11:24 am #1792032
"..Sometimes people don't know what to ask for because they don't know what's out there."
That to me IS a bit presumptuous and arrogant, esp. since the fella seemed to be well aware of what he wanted when he stated -"We want to stay with an exterior frame" – what he was asking for.
Plus BTW- to me, even the comment above about "schlepping moose parts" is a bit insolent.
Even though – "this website is, in fact, called "Backpacking Light".- Not everyone is always looking for an "ultra-light" option for their needs and for the task at hand. It is not always the end all, be all for everything.
And to assume that is what they need, when they clearly did not ask for that is to me just as Zeno stated above- "presumptuous, rude, and even wasteful of the solicitor's time and/or even money to steer them into inapplicable territory."
Ultra light is not always the appropriate means for a given task, and the OP was not asking for a ultra light pack option. He was wondering if anyone had a very specific External frame pack.Oct 18, 2011 at 11:59 am #1792049
I've already tried an internal frame. The Cabela's XPG 4000 (no longer offered) is a beautiful pack! It's virtually bomb-proof and very comfortable, adjustable, lightweight and accessible with many neat features (remind me…why am I looking for a different pack again??) I just am not crazy about the whole pack's surface being right on my back – even those cool mesh back panels that Osprey has. Now I enjoy reading everyone's posts. Keep 'em coming (but I really want a DD ext frame ;)Oct 18, 2011 at 12:01 pm #1792052
I thought this forum allowed for civilized conversations among virtual friends where sharing information and opinions is a valued part of that conversation? I guess that's not true for all participants, though. Too bad. We're all obviously entitled to our own opinions, which is what makes this free interchange of information fun. Sometimes, positive participation and an open mind yield unforseen results.Oct 18, 2011 at 12:13 pm #1792057
Tim HaynesMember
@timalanLocale: Mid Atlantic
Look at the top of your screen. The banner is "Backpacking Light: Pack Less. Be More." Obviously, we all interpret that different ways.
For me, I interpret BPL as a place where, philosophically, people are seeking to find the lightest systems to meet their needs. If a Dana Designs packs is the lightest piece of gear that meets to OP's needs, then I hope he finds one (or three).
I don't think anyone here was trying to be rude (giving the benefit of the doubt). I trust that if the OP has done enough research, he knows what he is looking for, but seeing that he is not a paying BPL member (therefore, doesn't get to read the in-depth articles), and he's only got 4 posts on this site, I can totally understand people trying to be helpful and offer other options.
If he has looked at all the other options, he can ignore those suggestions, knowing that they were intended to be helpful — no harm done. If he hasn't looked at all the other options, I'm sure he appreciates the insights.
I'm grateful, and I trust the incredible knowledge base that exists in the members here. However, I also know that if I come to BPL, I am certain to get info based in the bias that is what brought this community together — a desire to go lighter. If you post here, you should know what to expect (or you will learn quickly).
If I want a liberal perspective on current events, I don't turn on Fox news; if I want a vegetarian meal, I don't go to McDonalds; if I want to have a quiet conversation with a friend, I don't go to a club blaring techno. When you come to BPL, it comes with its own expectations, and I don't think its wrong for those opinions to be shared, it's part of the health of this community.Oct 18, 2011 at 2:06 pm #1792113
I have to agree with most everything all of you have posted thus far. Being that this is my 1st trip to Philmont, I've read much about it's preparation on the internet, and like most of you, Google searches seeking advise have brought me to BPL. I have not paid for a membership b/c money is tight – and I believe I am getting the information I seek without the membership. No so? Perhaps, but I can spend that $25 on a pair of ex-officio undies for me or my sons =] One of the things I've learned from BPL is that I can make my own cuben fiber tarp to save weight. Perhaps one better – I learned about CCS Tundra Tarps and Vargo titanium stakes from this site, and have purchased those items for our crews to use next year. I've also shared many pieces of wisdom from this site with the participants of our crews but the bottom line is, inevitably, some of these boys are going to show up with 4.5 lb sleeping bags and other heavy items that could be replaced with more expensive, lighter gear. I'm going to bet that some of those heavy items are going to end up on the backs of us adult leaders. I want to bring a pack that will be cool in the hot NM sun with room for the kitchen sink (or at least places to strap that sink onto the outside ;) Unfortunately, most of the kids in our troop do not have the means to purchase ultra lightweight gear (believe me, I wish they would), but this site helps them see what's possible. In fact, I'll bet half of these kids aren't too interested in saving ounces – heck, they're teenagers, what do they care. We do teach them about it, and we have been on about four conditioning hikes starting 12 months out. It's ppl like me (overweight, ex-smoker in my 40's) that appreciate reading the forums here. BPL is hardcore, no doubt about it – and Dana Design exterior frames ARE heavy packs that have no business on this site – yet here is where I've learned about them (weird, eh).Oct 18, 2011 at 2:21 pm #1792116
DougBPL Member
"and Dana Design exterior frames ARE heavy packs that have no business on this site – yet here is where I've learned about them (weird, eh)."
Not weird at all, really. Because, generally, most of the presumptuous, arrogant, rude, wasteful, insolent people on this site are happy to discuss about anything, including Dana Designs packs and others, while also offering opinions and anecdotes and even, gasp, experience with other gear and such. It's how we share, it's how we learn, it's how we grow, pathetic as it is….Oct 18, 2011 at 2:37 pm #1792122
Gossamer Gear (and others) offer nice discounts to Scouts and leaders: gossamergear.com. After discounts, these packs might cost less than the Dana Designs packs. Just a thought…Oct 18, 2011 at 3:12 pm #1792136
Wait a minute… (lol)…. am I supposed to be offended by this post (Douglases)?? Just checkingOct 18, 2011 at 4:15 pm #1792166
" ( but I really want a DD ext frame ; ) "
So, how bout that- the neophyte OP actually knew what he wanted from the start. And still wants that after all of the re- educating, correcting and attempted steering toward something he did not ask for.
The issue that I have is he was very specific with what he was asking for and he posted a WTB request in the gear swap; he did not ask for input from the gear section info sect. He does not want an internal frame- is that OK here? And yet he still gets info about "Gossamer Gear" internal packs when he says $$ is tight. If he wants an external pack and $ is tight, he can still get a inexpensive ext. frame- since that is what he wants.
I figure if someone asks for something specific, I respect that they know what they want and try not to insult their intelligence, or their choices.
To use the food analogy- if a visitor were to come up to a stranger in a new city and say " I would like to find out where I can get a 16 oz. Porter house steak, do you know where is the best place around here to find one? And then if the response they got was " I know where they have great Sushi and the tuna rolls are superb". And I also know of a great vegetarian restaurant". Well if the person asking the ? replied back- "But, I really want a Porter house steak".
Well, what if the person being asked the original ? came back with " Oh, you don't want a steak, you should have some fish or just vegetables, it is lighter and better for you and you will feel better afterwards, plus red meat is not good for you".
Now, that would be some what insulting and condescending – correct. Well it is basically what was done above to the OP. It is not educating that person, it is insulting to their intelligence to imply that they do not know what they want. And he was not asking for that info.Oct 18, 2011 at 4:32 pm #1792174
Hamish McHamishBPL Member
@el_canyonLocale: USA
I'm glad we have stephen billings around to keep you lightweight yahoos straight. See what avoiding moose hunting does? Makes ya soft. Next thing you know, you'll set up your own website dedicated to lightweight backpacking and start thinking that less is more, and… wait a minute… OMG I can't believe it…
Dang, I thought I was posting on CarryHeavyCrapBecauseItsManlyYouWuss.com :)
Dan, enjoy Philmont.Oct 18, 2011 at 5:47 pm #1792213
Boy, I bet you are glad that you posted this thread here ;^) – hopefully you are- at least there is some entertainment value.
How dare you to post a request for a external frame pack on a lightweight backpacking forum. What did you think you wanted with that? Was it to possibly carry:
* a pack that is cooler in hot weather?
* a pack that can hold and carry the proverbial "kitchen sink"
* a pack that is capable of carrying extra gear for kids
And just where did you get off thinking that a external pack frame would be good for that. And why do you want to "carry heavy crap" like that anyways?
And why in the world would you think that it would be OK to post that sort of a request on a ultra light forum?
Well it is not, because you will be schooled ;^)Oct 18, 2011 at 6:04 pm #1792220
I guess some of the responses above would be analogous to asking for a Gossamer Gear 2 pound sil-nylon pack for a pack back hunt in the wilderness with the possibility of carrying out 100 pound loads on a backpack hunting forum. They would tell you -your not going to do it very well. And they would be right- it would not work well.
But the thing is here with this WTB thread topic- the OP was asking for the right type of tool for his particular purpose and he not only knew that it was the right one ahead of posting; it was what he wanted.
There is a difference.
He apparently just asked it in the wrong place, and apparently he did not know that ahead of time- guess he did not know the proper etiquette rules.Oct 18, 2011 at 6:12 pm #1792226
Laurens WitBPL Member
I can't believe I could read all this without being a member, this makes me want to join.
I would give my right arm (and loose some unnecessary weight) to spend time around a camp fire with ya'll.
Congrats Dan for taking your son's out backpacking they are lucky to have you.
I'll bet this forum has a whack of camping stuff that isn't doing a whole lot at home. Would someone send this man the pack, I'll Pay shipping.
PM me LaurensOct 18, 2011 at 7:05 pm #1792248
Ron DBPL Member
@dillonrLocale: Colorado
Stephen – Relax. The OP doesn't have a chip on his shoulder and there is no reason why you should. This is a light weight backpacking site where many members have a strong involvement in scouting and know Philmont. There is nothing wrong with people discussing packs being used at the camp. This is an internet forum, it's relatively friendly and well informed, but it isn't Ebay.
Dan – If you haven't already looked there are a couple of scouting forums here, including one specifically on Philmont. It has discussions on packs at Philmont with input from people with extensive experience there and rangers at the camp. I don't know your background. but I certainly learned things from the scouting forums and you may find some some good insights.
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Vanessa Lane and Tyler Tappe were chosen most valuable for track events while Ellie Erholtz and Travis Jacobson was chosen most valuable for field events at the Pequot Lakes Patriots banquet on Tuesday, June 4.
Lane, a junior, won the 100-meter dash at the Class A state meet on Saturday, June 8, and was also joined Abby Palmer, Chloe Bermel and Rachel Allen on the state championship 4x100 relay.
Tappe, also a junior, finished second in the pole vault at the Class A state meet. His leap of 15 feet, 6 inches tied the Class A state meet record.
Erholtz finished fifth in the shot put event at the Section 6A meet while Jacobson was fifth in the shot put at the Class A state meet.
Other awards for coach Brian Kazmierczak's girls were Josie Nistler, Patriot Award; Jackie Brine-Doyle, most improved; Caitie Ryan, rookie; and Palmer, Nistler and Lane, team captains.
Other awards for coach Dave Guenther's boys were Keegan Johnson, most improved; Chris Haman, top rookie; Isaac Allen, Patriot Award. Sean Murray, Nathan McDonald and Mike Ryan were seniors on the team while Tappe, Allen and Ryan were team captains.


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BEIJING, Jan. 13 (Xinhuanet) -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has arrived in Ecuador, the last stop of his four-nation Latin American tour aimed at shoring up support. His tour comes as the European Union plans to follow the US in imposing sanctions against Iran, including an oil embargo.
A warm welcome from President Ahmadinejad's Ecuador ally, Rafael Correa - Greeted by excited crowds and an honor guard at the airport, Ahmadinejad began his Ecuador visit on Thursday.
Later the two leaders waved to crowds from the balcony of Correa's official residence. This follows Ahmadinejad's visit to Cuba, where the Iranian president met with former leader Fidel Castro and his brother, President Raul Castro.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said, "We've maintained good relations with Commander Fidel Castro. We talked about a lot of issues. It made me very happy to see Fidel safe and sane, and we saw that he follows regional, global and international issues closely and passionately."
Ecuador is the last stop on Ahmadinejad's Latin American trip, which already took him to Venezuela, Nicaragua and Cuba. The four countries remain critical of US actions on Iran, and have endorsed Iran's right to develop nuclear energy.
Iran's efforts to promote friendship with its Latin American allies come shortly after Washington imposed tougher sanctions on it over its nuclear program. Ahmadinejad's tour is also seen as an effort to find new markets for Iranian oil, as the EU considers an outright oil embargo. The EU is also planning new sanctions on Iran's financial sector.
In retaliation for the sanctions, Iran has threatened to block the oil-transport corridor of the Hormuz Strait.
Adding to the tension, the International Atomic Energy Agency has confirmed that Iran has reached 20 percent uranium enrichment - the level needed for producing weapons-grade materials.
Iran insists its program is for energy and other peaceful purposes. But the US and its allies accuse it of wanting to create nuclear weapons.
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Another season, another IUP-Slippery Rock basketball game in Indiana and Kevin Reynolds is still trying to figure it out.
Reynolds fell to 0-7 as Slippery Rock's coach when his team plays at IUP, and the Rock has lost 24 straight in Indiana dating to the 1991-92 season.
This one, like a couple others, left him shaking his head after IUP's Mathis Keita scored on a layup with 2.3 seconds left to lift the Crimson Hawks to a 66-64 victory in a Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference West Division game in front of 3,126 boisterous fans at the Kovalchick Convention and Athletic Complex on Saturday night.
[PHOTO: IUP President Michael Driscoll joined the student section to cheer on the Hawks on Saturday. (Teri Enciso/Gazette photo)]
The previous six IUP-Slippery Rock games were decided by a total of 20 points, and this one fit right into the mold. IUP made the biggest difference at the free throw line, hitting 27 of 34 attempts to Slippery Rock's 9 of 16. The Rock scored 10 more field goals than IUP, 26-16.
"It's hard to lose by two when you score 10 more baskets," Reynolds said. "That is hard to do. We scored 26 baskets to their 16, and they shot 22 3s to our 16. That's hard to lose a game by two points when you score 20 more points on baskets and you're shooting more 2s. That's hard to do. It's hard to lose a game that way. It's really hard to do. You can read between the lines on that."
It doesn't require an interpreter to decipher Reynolds' comments: He was not happy with the officiating. He even drew a technical foul in the second half.
"Since I've been here we've had some really hard games to swallow," he said. "Those are hard games to swallow when you score 10 or 15 more baskets and shoot less 3s and lose. I'd like to see how often that happens in Division I or II. It happens to us regularly. That is hard."
IUP coach Joe Lombardi offered his explanation of why his team made it to the free throw line so many more times than Slippery Rock.
"They got up and played us tonight," he said of the Rock's defense. "I've seen some of their other games where they're spacing off people, and tonight they got up on us on every catch, and we drove the ball strong and were able to get the free throw line. A couple years ago we shot 62 free throws against them. They get aggressive when they play against us, and our guys drove it strong, and that made the difference."
IUP fell behind by eight points in the first half, rallied to pull ahead by six and settled for a 32-32 tie at halftime.
In the second half, Slippery Rock staged 17-8 run in the first six minutes to take a nine-point lead at 49-40.
IUP answered with a 14-2 run to take a 54-51 lead and never trailed after that, although the game was tied three times in the final five minutes, the last coming with 13.2 seconds left when Slippery Rock's Matej Delinac was fouled on a 3-point attempt and made all three free throws despite IUP's screaming, feet-pounding fans.
That set up IUP's last possession. IUP inbounded the ball, and point guard Devante Chance took a dribble handoff across half court and drove right along the 3-point line before cutting to the baseline, where he was met by two defenders. He was cut off before reaching the basket and spotted Keita streaking down the center of the lane. He slipped a pass that Keita took in stride and laid in for the go-ahead bucket.
After a timeout, Slippery Rock's Tabari Perry got off a 16-foot runner at the buzzer, but it was too strong, and the IUP students in the crowd stormed the court.
"There's no genius involved in that," Lombardi said of his team's last play. "You find the guy that had the hot hand and made the most plays, and that was Devante. We gave the ball to Devante and ran a little misdirection type thing and you just hope he makes a play and just hope the guys are trained to react to whatever he does and get a good look."
"It was just basically a dribble handoff on the right side and I try to take it to the lane and make something happen," Chance said. "They stopped me and I tried a drop-step and looked for the open man, and Mathis was coming down the lane. Everybody was watching me, and he saw the opportunity to cut to the lane so it was a good play by him, and I just tried to make the pass."
Prior to IUP's last play, the Hawks turned in two big stops on defense while holding a 62-61 lead. Slippery Rock, which committed only nine turnovers in the game and only one in the second half until the final minute approached, turned the ball over on consecutive possessions, the first on Brandon Norfleet's steal with 1:02 left and the second on Devon Cottrell's steal with 33 seconds left.
IUP didn't convert on the first, but Keita made two free throws on the second for a 64-61 lead. Delinac then answered with his three free throws.
"All credit to Slippery Rock and that kid making three free throws in this environment," Lombardi said. "For him to step up and do that showed a lot of courage. They've got a lot of toughness on that team. They play well together, and Kevin is a terrific coach, and he gets his players to compete and play well together. They're a program that helps us get better. They bring out the best in us. Our guys know how hard they've got to play and how well they've got to play to pull it out."
IUP survived a 29-point effort by Slippery Rock's Maurice Lewis-Briggs, a 6-foot-8 senior transfer from Morehead State.
Marcel Souberbielle led IUP with 20 points, and Chance and Keita scored 12 apiece.
"We stuck to it during the ups and downs in the game," Souberbielle said. "Give them credit: If we played 10 games they'd all be close down to the last minute. We were fortunate to make the extra defensive plays and get one more bucket than them. I'm just proud of how we stayed focused and stuck to it when they got a little bit of a lead in the second half."
IUP's victory forged a four-way tie atop the PSAC West standings after Slippery Rock entered the night in sole possession of first place. IUP, Slippery Rock, Gannon and Mercyhurst are all 6-2 with eight games remaining. IUP plays at Pitt Johnstown on Wednesday to begin the second half of division play.
"They beat us at our own game: taking it to the hole, getting to the basket a bunch, playing more physical than us," Reynolds said. "It was a close game again, a one-possession game, and they just made one more play than we did."


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Why would ALL 4 of my dogs just eat wood every chance they get?
They do not discriminate.... if it is wood, it gets chewed or eaten.... even the arm of my couch!
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God bless America: Powdered alcohol to hit markets soon
posted at 11:21 am on April 21, 2014 by Allahpundit
Finally, a solution to the eternal dilemma: Cereal for breakfast this morning, or beer? Soon you won't have to choose.
But then, some of us never did.
Mark [Phillips] is an active guy…hiking, biking, camping, kayaking, etc. After hours of an activity, he sometimes wanted to relax and enjoy a refreshing adult beverage. But those activities, and many others, don't lend themselves to lugging heavy bottles of wine, beer or spirits. The only liquid he wanted to carry was water.
So he thought? Wouldn't it be great to have alcohol in powder form so all one had to do is add water? Since powder is light and compact, it wouldn't be a burden to carry.
Just a little something for the avid sportsman to add to his campfire coffee at the end of a long day. That's how the website is pitching this today. As of a few days ago, before the media took notice, the website read … differently:
What's worse than going to a concert, sporting event, etc. and having to pay $10, $15, $20 for a mixed drink with tax and tip. Are you kidding me?! Take Palcohol into the venue and enjoy a mixed drink for a fraction of the cost…
We've been talking about drinks so far. But we have found adding Palcohol to food is so much fun. Sprinkle Palcohol on almost any dish and give it an extra kick. Some of our favorites are the Kamikaze in guacamole, Rum on a BBQ sandwich, Cosmo on a salad and Vodka on eggs in the morning to start your day off right. Experiment. Palcohol is great on so many foods. Remember, you have to add Palcohol AFTER a dish is cooked as the alcohol will burn off if you cook with it…and that defeats the whole purpose.
The section on snorting has been changed too. Today it warns people not to try it because they've added something to the powder to increase the volume, meaning you'd have to snort half a cup just to get the effect of one drink. As of a few days ago they were warning people not to try it because … you'll get high really fast and that'll "mess you up." I wonder which warning the public will take to heart once this is on the shelves at the local Kwikee Drunk.
My first thought was that this would be useful chiefly during air travel, but there's no way TSA is letting people bring unidentified powder onboard, right? Even if they did, the airlines will presumably ban it straightaway lest economy class turn into the upper deck at an Eagles game. Beyond that, I expect there'll be two deterrents to use: Price, if it turns out that the powder's not significantly cheaper than most popular alcoholic beverages, and of course social stigma. If I see you pull a packet of Palcohol from your pocket, you'd better be either going camping or on your way back or else, I fear, I may draw certain inferences. (Note to self: Tuck a rolled-up sleeping bag under your arm on future visits to the liquor store.)
Needless to say, if you're the parent of a teenager, you should probably pull him/her out of school now just to be safe. Exit question for administrative lawyers: I'm seeing some surprise online that the feds would approve this product, but is it really that surprising? If the drug itself is already legal, I imagine agencies like the FDA and TTB have limited discretion to reject a product purely because the delivery mechanism is unorthodox.
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A really, truly dry martini?
(Too good not to steal…)
Akzed on April 21, 2014 at 11:23 AM
People will be sniffing it like cocaine.
Akzed–you can give to thirsty illegal aliens sneaking over the border–a Dry Martinez. MaiDee on April 21, 2014 at 11:27 AM
That's so racistical.
Akzed on April 21, 2014 at 11:31 AM
Nothing made entirely of powder and water will taste good enough to consume. Rix on April 21, 2014 at 11:27 AM
That's why they make pineapple juice silly.
Akzed on April 21, 2014 at 11:32 AM
This has got to be a hoax, right? You should be able to do powdered gasoline if it was possible. Buddahpundit on April 21, 2014 at 11:37 AM
Hmmm… what would you add to it?
Akzed on April 21, 2014 at 12:09 PM
Alcohol is liquid at anything like room temperature. Either it isn't a powder, or it isn't alcohol. Hoax. PersonFromPorlock on April 21, 2014 at 12:27 PM
I think that if you take out just the hydrogen and oxygen, it's the same as taking out the liquid part.
Akzed on April 21, 2014 at 2:01 PM
Alcohol bound to cyclodextrin to create a powdery substance. Add water and the alcohol is freed. iceman1960 on April 21, 2014 at 1:34 PM
My man.
Akzed on April 21, 2014 at 2:04 PM
As a matter of fact most Christians believe that wine was non-alcoholic. weedisgood on April 21, 2014 at 1:14 PM
When did you survey them?
Akzed on April 21, 2014 at 2:28 PM
The paint on the walls was once liquid. Now it's solid. What changed? Not the temperature.
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Goehring appoints Wald to marketing/information staff
BISMARCK – Agriculture Commissioner Doug Goehring has appointed Kelly Wald as a research and policy analyst in the North Dakota Department of Agriculture (NDDA).
"Kelly's communications skills and her experience with the North Dakota Petroleum Council will be valuable assets for the department," Goehring said. "She is an excellent writer, designer and all-around communicator."
A native of Wishek, Wald graduated from the University of Mary with a degree in business communications. While in school, she worked as a writing intern at Basin Electric Power Cooperative and following graduation as a communications assistant with the cooperative. Since 2009, she has been the communications manager for the North Dakota Petroleum Council.
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To bad they can't give him some of what he gave those women.
This is a discussion on Good, Serial Killer Loses Appeal Bid For New Trial. within the In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly forums, part of the The Back Porch category; This "individual" has been convicted of killing six women, and was charged with the murders of twenty more. He was running a house of horrors ...
This "individual" has been convicted of killing six women, and was charged with the murders of twenty more.
He was running a house of horrors on his farm until he got caught. Looks like he'll be in prison until he's at least 85.
Too bad we don't have the death penalty up here.
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To bad they can't give him some of what he gave those women.
You can educate ignorance, you can't fix stupid
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I'm sorry but scum like that deserves no more than a basic slow piecemeal flaying by an expert. And when that's finished, walk away and let him suffer for as long as it takes while surrounded by pictures of his victims.
Call me what you want but I have no sympathy for that kind of killer and have no tolerance for a justice system that refuses to put this guy underground and quit wasting money and time on him.
Too bad you can't turn him over to Vlad the Impaler for punishment.
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This is one case where the death penalty needs to be used. The scary thing is that he might be released before he is dead.
What a system, 25 years before parole can be considered? The maximum penalty for these brutal murders?
Proverbs 27:12 says: The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.
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Nether side will adjust using the switch on the door panel
Any idea's what it could be?
Nether side will adjust using the switch on the door panel
Any idea's what it could be?
You will need to check fuse no's 4 (7.5A), 5 (10A), and 12 (15A) which are all related to the electric mirrors.
Checked all the fuses, all appear to be ok
Noticed that 12 (15A) does the reverse lights as well so checked to see if they were working, they aren't.
Replaced the fuse but still the same, no wing mirrors or reverse lights
That fuse also powers your heated jets. I'm thinking that there is no supply to that fuse. Are you handy with a test meter?
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Don't think i have heated jets on a 1988
yeah i can work a test meter just
You will need to probe both sides of the fuse with respect to ground.
Do you have power(voltage) at the fuses? use a test light to check
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