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Downton Abbey Season 4, Episode 1: Don't Mess with Thomas. But Please, Please, Do Mess with Mary.
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This two-hour episode took me a few nights to get through. All the time I was watching it, I was thinking, am I going to recap it this year? I've recently stepped away from GeekMom to take a new position as editor at DamnInteresting.com (a site that more than lives up to its name, and one Scott and I have enjoyed for years), so I won't be recapping over there this year. I loved writing those posts last season, but I admit it's a bit of relief to let go of the self-imposed pressure to get a recap up the night an episode airs. Those were some late nights I was pulling, for a while there!
But I'll miss the conversation, and since I've been getting a lot of email inquiries about the recaps, I thought I'd open the topic for discussion over here. As always, this is an open thread, not a sequential play-by-play of plot points. So I'll throw out a few things, and you can all chime in as you wish.
Once again PBS is conflating two one-hour British episodes into one long one for the American audience. Honestly, I don't think this serves the show very well, nor will, I'd hazard, binge-viewing it on DVD. We have too many repetitive conversations in these two hours. A week's space between them would have rendered the repetition less obvious. How many times must we listen to Lord Grantham orate that Mary must be kept wrapped in cotton-wool? How many times must Mrs. Hughes harangue poor Carson in one night of television viewing? It's rather amazing, actually, that with the quantities of plotlines being unfurled here (I'll attempt a tally in a moment) we wound up with so many repeated conversations. By the end, my head was smarting from all the hammer-blows.
Now, plotlines: let's see.
1) Mary is very sad, and not terribly interested in her baby.
2) Lord Grantham wants to sell land to pay the death duties on the estate, and while he's at it unravel most of the work Matthew did to save said estate's bacon.
3) Tom and the Dowager Countess are united (among others) in wanting Mary to play a more active role in estate decision-making, and they're annoyed with Lord Grantham's reluctance. (See above, cotton-wooling.)
3b) Matthew left a will of sorts after all! Should we let Mary read it?
3b.1) Also, the stuffed doggy. ::sniffle::
3c) Mary owns half of Downton. Stay tuned for epic showdowns. Will there be anything left for wee George but rubble?
4) Carson's shady old theater chum wants to see Carson to set things right, and also wants help climbing out of the pit he's in. From the moment Mrs. Hughes digs through Carson's trash, this becomes her mission in life.
4a) Said mission dovetails nicely with a push to snap Isobel out of her own grief-induced apathy. (I enjoyed that bit very much.)
5) Everyone's got a Valentine! Who gave whose?
5a) Belowstairs love triangle continues from last season with no apparent progress. Daisy likes Alfred likes Ivy likes Jimmy likes messing with people.
6) This week's special guest: new-fangled electric mixer, aka the worst thing to happen to Mrs. Patmore since presbyopia.
7) Nanny DARES to tell Thomas not to touch the baby? Beware his diabolical machinations.
7a) Oh but wait! Turns out Nanny's a horrible person. Hooray, Thomas!
8) Boo, Thomas. Saucy former-housemaid-turned-lady's-maid Edna fills all vacancies left by O'Brien's departure, especially Co-Conspirator of Thomas. Watch your back, Anna. That'll learn you to be nice.
8a) Really? REALLY? Lady Grantham is that ready to believe Anna would vandalize a garment out of spite? Has she MET Anna? Not buying it. Nor the dispatching of Lord G. to have Mr. Bates bring his unkind wife in line. I MEAN COME ON. (Sorry, that was the one that really got to me.)
9) Young Rose wants adventure, and what's more adventurous than posing as a housemaid and half-falling for a winsome young under-gardener or whatever he was. Sorry, it was noisy in that dance hall.
10) Oh, Molesley. Poor Molesley. Chucked out of Downton, no new prospects. Pounding tar. Racking up debt. Pitied by all.
10a) Just because the Dowager Countess thinks highly of her butler doesn't mean he is above petty jealousies and sabotage. Sorry, Mose.
10b) But if your plight makes Anna sad, you'll be okay, because Mr. Bates won't stand for that. In prison they teach you how to sneakily give money to people.
11) You didn't think I'd forgotten Edith, did you? What am I, her mother? I adore Edith. She's blooming with love, wearing fabulous garments, and gearing up to shock the bluebloods with her impending nuptials to a divorceé and (even worse) voluntary German national.
Plotlines I'm really invested in: 3c. I'm sorry Lord Grantham has become so insufferable, but in a way I think his character arc is the most realistic. A decade-long series of tragedies, shocks, and disappointments has left him insecure, vulnerable, and obstinate. He has felt powerless ever since losing his wife's fortune and imperiling the estate, and his WWI chapter (here, be a jolly good figurehead, old sport) didn't help. The more the women and former chauffers in his life berate him for his bad behavior (and it IS bad), the more stubbornly he digs in. He's the 85-year-old who refuses to give up his driver's license even after the fourth time he's backed into the mailbox.
So I may not like his character, but I buy it, and I buy Mary's too. She prophesied her position at the end of last season and reiterates it here: Matthew brought out a side of her (I smiled at "soft"—not a word that describes even happy-bride Mary) that was buried deep before, and has gone more deeply dormant now. What she needs is a good fight, and who better to clobber than Papa? Much better him than poor old Carson. The scene between Mary and Carson when she chided him for his familiarity broke my heart—and that's how I know it was a good scene. It was one of the few where I had a genuine emotional reaction instead of a distanced, analytical one. And the thing is? I'm a viewer who wants to be drawn in and emotionally manipulated. Really. If I'm outside the story, picking, then your story hasn't swallowed me. And I'm sorry to say that very little in this two hours truly swallowed me up. But it's early days yet. We'll see where things go.
What did you think? Favorite & least favorite bits? For once I'm not giving Best Line to the Dowager. It's Mrs. Hughes, in response to Isobel's "It's none of my business": "I never thought I'd hear you say that!"
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I am also completely not buying Cora's instant condemnation of Anna. Like you said, "Have you met her?" And while I hated the fact that Thomas was right (even though he didn't know it at the time) the scene with Nanny West in the nursery turned my stomach. It made me physically ill. I was proud of Cora for her decisive action (but still mad at her about the Anna thing).
And the Molesley thing just bugged me.
Sorry to disagree, but because Lord Grantham's spoiled brattitude is so realistic that I must award The Best Line Award to Granny, "When you talk like that, I'm tempted to ring for Nanny and have you put to bed with no supper!"
What did you think about Mrs. Hughes butting in to Carson's business? It seemed very unrealistic to me.
I agree that running two episodes together does the show no favors. The plotlines for all the characters mean we jump from story to story with no real major story being told here. You really notice the lack of narrative drive over two hours. Really, what was the point of the Carson storyline this week? To give Matthew's mother something to do? Is Rose Downton's Wesley Crusher character, someone who is supposed to bring kid viewers? Otherwise, she's pretty pointless.
The Granthams/Anna thing was totally unbelievable. Clearly a contrived setup for something coming up. Why does the show need a downstairs badwoman? Thomas can carry that cliche by himself. I'm totally losing patience with the whole concept of people believing they can't dress themselves.
i think the subplot (or is it sub theme?) for a lot of these incidents was the increasing tensions between the classes. I think we are going to see more of a muddle with the role ex-chauffer Tom and the return of Edna the maid. We are going to see the push-pull of the need for the servants, but the resistance to them being too familiar. I am expecting Anna to get pregnant soon and then there be the whole issue of her leaving Downton to raise the baby or baby living with family while she stays on at Downton.
Love that its back!!
oh, yes the cosby show's oldest girl had twin boy and girl- Winnie and Nelson. which always struck me as odd, since that was the name of a famous husband and wife, not sister and brother.
The whole Carson and Mrs. Hughes thing served to bring them closer because they are going eventually admit their love for each other AND to help with the grief process for Isobel.
I'm rooting for Edith to live in Bohemian sin!
And what are your thoughts on O'Brien taking off with Lady Flintshire?
"Is Rose Downton's Wesley Crusher character, someone who is supposed to bring kid viewers? Otherwise, she's pretty pointless."
Well, she's my favorite part of the show, so she's definitely NOT a Wesley as far as I'm concerned. 🙂
But, much as I love Cora, I'm so disappointed in her. Anna can be trusted to carry a dead man from her daughter's room and keep it secret for years. Yet she's going to vandalize a scarf because she's jealous of the new lady's maid? Puh-leeeeeeaze.
[Rose isn't really my favorite part of the show–not even close–I just think she's purty.]
At the end of last season I swore I wasn't going to watch anymore. And yet. Through the whole first hour I thought it was right to give it up, and then I saw Edith in that amazing green dress and I wondered if they just might do right by Edith this season. I'm with Andrea. Bohemian sin!
I'm so glad you're still going to do your recaps! I didn't realize that they were two episodes together, but that explains a lot. I hope the Mary vs. Lord Grantham isn't going to be a major plot point. It seems like they've done similar storylines before, but I agree that he is the most believable. I really liked how Mary got her fight back; she is still one of my favorite characters. I wasn't that excited about any of the other subplots. I cringed with the Edna/Anna/Thomas thing. I thought the snooping with Mrs. Hughes was bit of a stretch. We were wondering if they're setting up she and Carson getting together since now the doors closed with his old love. I hope that Daisy finally finds love this season, that would make me very happy.
I was actually surprised how much I enjoyed Downton this time. I wanted the show to have a 3-season arc and be wrapped up with Downton safely passed on to Mary's heir, and Mary and Matthew living happily ever after. When I knew there was a season 4 it was even more disappointing (well, maybe) than knowing that poor Matthew would be dispatched with, even if it was his own choice.
Mary is just a great character, and Michelle Dockery is fantastic. Her relationships are always interesting, if maddening, and I agree that her relationship with Carson is one of the best parts of the show. Sometimes I love Edith and sometimes I want to kill her, but she never bores me. And it was great to her see rocking the clothes while Mary was in severe widow's weeds.
Lord and Lady Gratham's obtuseness with respect to their servants is the one thing on the show that routinely strains credibility for me, but how could you have a wicked under butler without it?
I want Daisy to get together with that adorable gardener dude from Rose's dance club! He was such a lovely chap!
Honestly, i wasn't sure i wanted to get sucked back into DA this season. We set the episode to record and watched last night "just to see" if it would be good enough to spend time with. Bless. Well, we laughed a lot **hooted**, regularly. And,well, there hasn't been much to laugh about here, lately, so i suppose we're in.
I've always loved Edith, feel tremendous sympathy for her: she is a very real character, I think; and have always hated Mary and that hasn't changed!
Hasn't Branson settled in comfortably being a man of the manor!! **bemused snort**
Loved Granny's machinations, per usual!
Thomas had definitely grown on me over the seasons, so it was annoying to see him slip back into nastiness with the creepy Edna. Ergh.
I actually thought the Bates couple were a bit …. Much? He's forging signatures, and she's helping Lady Rose pretend to be a housemaid? What the what? Especially for Anna that seemed a bit much!
Daisy et al. **deep sigh** She's been the same age and maturity level for 12 years now. Ai yi yi. Really dislike the writing for the kitchen set. Pretty shoddy writing to just let your characters stay in exactly the same frozen plotline for years. Plus, wasn't Daisy supposed to get her father in law's farm? I mean, they (writers) spent all that time working up to it. Why's she still in the kitchen? Maybe that'll come up again? Or just get dropped …
I think I'm enjoying these comments as much as the show Sunday! I'm glad to know it was supposed to be two episodes…makes more sense that way. Lord Grantham's character is totally believable to me because he reminds me so much of my own father. I'd say the only time in the whole show when I was just like, "Come ON already" was when Lady Grantham seemed more upset that there was no one there to dress her than that her long time servant had gone. I mean seriously, you had 3 kids, been through tragedies, I'm SURE you can slip your own dress on, LOL. Anyway, I'm glad it's back despite some annoyances. I'm with you though, Lissa, I hope it spends more time next week swallowing me up and spitting me out ragged, than letting me sit there over analyzing the whole thing.
Edna is the Nancy to O'Brien's Nellie, if you ask me. NOW I've gone and dated myself.
This episode felt just the tiniest bit like writers reaching, to me. It felt… I hate to say it… a little bit like a motorcycle gearing up a hundred yards from a shark tank. And I LOVE THIS SHOW SO MUCH, so I hope the next episode feels less like this and more like what we're used to. I was so glad to see Mary's mask-face disappear by the end. I've never seen anyone, even anyone knocked down by grief, wear that thousand-yard stare so unnervingly. She reminded me (another Little House reference) of Melissa Sue Anderson playing blind Mary. I'm really looking forward to seeing the showdowns between her and her father; my daughter and I are rooting hard for her and Tom to wind up together. We wanted that as soon as Matthew died, and we were a little surprised to see it being hinted at so broadly already this season. They listened to us! 🙂
And I hope the Anna/Edna situation gets resolved quickly and isn't dragged out for an entire season because I really don't like feeling THAT angry. Thomas's scheming makes me feel downright violent.
Ellie, glad you mentioned Daisy's farm. I was surprised it didn't come up at the Christmas special last year, and then no mention of it now either? And along those same lines… if Anna and Bates aren't expecting yet, in this time period you'd expect that to be a plotline — either of worry or of ingenuity.
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Funny you should bring up the shark tank, Rachel, as my husband just said today that they "hadn't jumped the shark…yet". Although I feel that they did in the first season with the bar of soap/convenient miscarriage and have had to accept the melodrama ever since. Acceptance has brought much more enjoyment, tho' please don't ever stop analyzing, Lissa and bringing up all of the maddening bits!
Least favorite things…Edna reappearing, she set me on edge last season and still does…making me unsympathetic to Thomas again as I really liked feeling compassionate towards him…the lack of continuity with Daisy's storyline and the possibility of her joining her father-in-law on the farm.
Perplexing bits…is there going to be more of a reaction (beyond Cora's) to the Nanny's treatment of Sybil? I kept waiting for more fall-out from that…to think of that little girl being subjected to such treatment for many months? Shudder.
Would the mousse…souffle…whatever it was really taste noticeably different because the egg whites had been whipped by a machine? I don't like Mrs. Patmore feeling threatened.
Finally! I finally finished watching! I was beginning to doubt it would happen this season.
NANNY. I am still more upset by that than anything else in the entire show, including Matthew and Sybil's deaths. Why why why couldn't Cora have at least gone and picked Sybie up? Or if the writers thought that was too far-fetched for her character, couldn't they have shown us a scene with Tom and Sybie, where she's happy and obviously knows she's loved? Oh, that just made me sick.
I groaned too on the whole Cora-Edna-Thomas-Anna affair. Come ON. We don't need O'Brien 2.0. If you need Thomas to still be horrible, give him something else instead of the old "team up with the ladies maid to make Bates miserable" thing. Why does he still have it in for Bates and Anna, anyway? Especially with how Anna comforted him after Sybil's death.
I hate the obvious "no we can't tell so-and-so this!" ploys. Tom can't tell Cora about Edna (though really, all he had to say was that she behaved inappropriately toward him and he asked Mrs Hughes to give her a good reference and send her away because he didn't want to cause trouble – there's nothing shameful in that); Rose can't tell Sam the under-gardener the truth (though there again, she could have just met him in her dinner frock (which was GORGEOUS) and explained the truth, apologized for the deception, and sent him on his way); etc. So contrived. The only realistic "can't tell the truth" that I can see is Edith and her not-quite-lover, and everyone is conveniently ignoring them, so no deception seems necessary there.
I have always loved Mrs Hughes, but she was out of character here, and that was a disappointment. Did love the scene at the end, though, where she walked back with Carson from the train station. The friendship between them is one of my favorite aspects of this show. And I loved her line to Isobel, and the bit where she helps Mrs Patmore clean up and they indulge in a little harmless gossip.
I'll be curious to see what they do with the rest of this season. I've heard rumors that next season will be the last, and I think it's good they're planning to wrap it up soon. People seem to get a little more disillusioned with each season.
Melissa just to point out you mean 1920- 1922 right?
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18) For any ties between candidates straddling the in/out line of selections, the first thing considered is the ranking of the candidates by the ballots cast. If there are more than two candidates tied, use a 2-1-0 or whatever is appropriate for the number of players tied system. If a voter does not list a candidate, he receives zero points in the tiebreaker procedure. Once one person separates from the tied group, restart with the remaining candidates until there are only as many candidates as the rules call for being elected. If they remain tied after this process, the candidate with the most votes received wins. If it is still tied after that, those with the most #1 votes as the next step, then the most #2 votes and so on to see if that breaks the tie. If not, we will induct all candidates who remain tied at that point.
19) One thing we're going to have to be aware of is the timeline in the case of at least a few contributors. Two which jump out at me are Buck O'Neill, 1976, and Branch Rickey, 1946. I intend to eventually vote for both men, but in 1946, Jackie Robinson was still in Montreal. Really, Branch should wait until at least 1947 after Jackie's success in the majors to get credit for that move. If you think Rickey belongs in the top 5 in 1946 without his role in breaking the color line, that's fine--but he shouldn't get credit for that important success until it actually happened. Buck O'Neill did some important things up until 1976, but after that he was in Ken Burns' Baseball and he was instrumental in the establishment of the Negro Leagues Hall of Fame (both occurred in or around 1994). If you think he belongs based on accomplishments before those two things, that's perfectly acceptable, but please don't credit him with them before they actually happened.
20) I will maintain a thread of the project's history and rules which will provide a listing of all elected candidates.
21) Feel free to ask questions by either sending jalbright a PM, or by posting a question in voting thread
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The players who become eligible in 1993 are:
On the contributor side, there are no additions this yearCode:Campbell , Bill Cash , Dave Cey , Ron Concepcion , Dave Enatsu , Yutaka Foster , George Garvey , Steve Harrah , Toby Jorgenson , Mike Kingman , Dave Rivers , Mickey Russell , Bill Yeager , Steve
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The 1992 player candidates who were not elected had these results in the that election:
The 1992 contributor candidates who were not elected had these results in the that election:Code:players…………….. votes pts Jennings , H 9 57 Joss , Addie 6 52 Torre, Joe 9 52 Bresnahan , R 9 51 Tiant, Luis 7 51 Roush , Edd 7 42 Wynn, Jimmy 7 39 Brown, Willard 6 32 Rixey , Eppa 4 32 Kelley , Joe 5 30 Grimes , B 4 29 Brock, Lou 3 26 Evans, Darrell 3 22 Keller , C 3 21 McVey , Cal 3 19 Berger , Wally 2 18 Sheckard , J 4 18 Beckley , Jake 2 16 Smith, Reggie 2 13 Richardson , H 1 10 Aparicio, Luis 2 9 Elliott, Bob 1 9 Howard, Frank 1 7 Lundy , Dick 1 7 Cepeda, Orlando 1 6 Gomez, Lefty 1 6 Cepeda, Perucho 4 5 Childs , Cupid 2 5 Freehan, Bill 1 5 Bando, Sal 1 4 Pike , Lip 2 4 Rizzuto , Phil 1 4 Matlock, Leroy 1 3 Perez, Tony 1 3 Rice , Sam 1 3 Sewell , Joe 1 3 Bancroft , Dave 1 2 Fingers, Rollie 1 2 Maranville , R 1 2 Yamamoto, Koji 1 2 Dandridge, Ray 1 1 Newcombe, Don 1 1
I strongly suggest that you pay attention to this list, as the leaders of the holdovers are likely to join any strong newcomer candidates as the leaders for winning induction.Code:contributors………. votes pts Greenlee, Gus 4 16 Rizzuto, Phil 5 16 Caylor , O. P. 4 13 Harris, Vic 5 10 Scully, Vin 3 10 Caray, Harry 2 8 Evans, Billy 2 8 Ferguson, Bob 3 8 Chandler, Happy 2 7 Elias, Al Munro 3 5 Jobe, Frank 1 5 Krichell, Paul 1 4 Smith, Red 1 4 Abe, Iso 2 3 Martin, Billy 1 2 McCarthy, Tommy 1 2 Murnane, Tim 1 1 Murtaugh, Danny 1 1
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Members of the Best of Baseball Hall. Last election's inductees are in red.
ContributorsCode:Hank Aaron Pete Alexander Dick Allen Cap Anson Luke Appling Richie Ashburn Earl Averill Frank Baker Ernie Banks Ross Barnes John Beckwith Cool Papa Bell Johnny Bench Charlie Bennett Yogi Berra Akira Bessho Lou Boudreau Ken Boyer Dan Brouthers Mordecai Brown Ray Brown Jim Bunning Jesse Burkett Roy Campanella Rod Carew Max Carey Steve Carlton Bob Caruthers Oscar Charleston Fred Clarke John Clarkson Roberto Clemente Ty Cobb Mickey Cochrane Eddie Collins Jimmy Collins Roger Connor Stan Coveleski Sam Crawford Joe Cronin Bill Dahlen George Davis Dizzy Dean Ed Delahanty Bill Dickey Martin Dihigo Joe DiMaggio Larry Doby Bobby Doerr Don Drysdale Buck Ewing Red Faber Bob Feller Wes Ferrell Elmer Flick Whitey Ford Willie Foster Nellie Fox Jimmie Foxx Frankie Frisch Pud Galvin Lou Gehrig Charlie Gehringer Bob Gibson Josh Gibson Jack Glasscock Joe Gordon George Gore Goose Goslin Frank Grant Hank Greenberg Heinie Groh Lefty Grove Stan Hack Billy Hamilton Isao Harimoto Gabby Hartnett Harry Heilmann Billy Herman Pete Hill Paul Hines Rogers Hornsby Carl Hubbell Kazuhisa Inao Monte Irvin Joe Jackson Reggie Jackson Ferguson Jenkins Grant "Home Run"Johnson Walter Johnson Al Kaline Masaichi Kaneda Tim Keefe Willie Keeler King Kelly Harmon Killebrew Ralph Kiner Sandy Koufax Nap LaJoie Bob Lemon Buck Leonard Pop Lloyd Ted Lyons Biz Mackey Sherry Magee Mickey Mantle Juan Marichal Eddie Mathews Christy Mathewson Willie Mays Willie McCovey Joe McGinnity Bid McPhee Joe Medwick Jose Mendez Minnie Minoso Johnny Mize Dobie Moore Joe Morgan Stan Musial Shigeo Nagashima Hal Newhouser Kid Nichols Phil Niekro Katsuya Nomura Sadaharu Oh Alejandro Oms Jim O'Rourke Mel Ott Satchel Paige Jim Palmer Gaylord Perry Eddie Plank Charlie Radbourn Pee Wee Reese Robin Roberts Brooks Robinson Frank Robinson Jackie Robinson Bullet Joe Rogan Pete Rose Red Ruffing Amos Rusie Babe Ruth Ron Santo Louis Santop Tom Seaver Al Simmons George Sisler Enos Slaughter Hilton Smith Duke Snider Warren Spahn Tris Speaker Victor Starffin Willie Stargell Joe Start Turkey Stearnes Harry Stovey Mule Suttles Don Sutton Ezra Sutton Bill Terry Sam Thompson Cristobal Torriente Pie Traynor Dazzy Vance Arky Vaughan Rube Waddell Honus Wagner Bobby Wallace Ed Walsh Paul Waner John M. Ward Willie Wells Zack Wheat Deacon White Hoyt Wilhelm Billy Williams Smoky Joe Williams Ted Williams Jud Wilson George Wright Early Wynn Carl Yastrzemski Cy Young
Code:Doc Adams Mel Allen Walter Alston Red Barber Ed Barrow Buzzue Bavasi Ed Bolden Alexander Cartwright Henry Chadwick Frank Chance Charlie Commiskey Charles Conlon Tom Connolly Jim Creighton Jack Dunn Leo Durocher Rube Foster Ford Frick Clark Griffith Ned Hanlon William Hulbert Miller Huggins Ban Johnson Tetsuharu Kawakami Bill Klem Kenesaw Landis Tommy Lasorda Al Lopez Connie Mack Larry MacPhail Joe McCarthy John McGraw Bill McKechnie Marvin Miller Walter O'Malley Dickey Pearce Cum Posey A. J. Reach Francis Richter Branch Rickey Jacob Ruppert Frank Selee Ben Shibe Matsutaro Shoriki Billy Southworth Al Spalding Alfred Spink J. G. T. Spink Casey Stengel C. I. Taylor Kazuto Tsuruoka Bill Veeck George Weiss Sol White J. L. Wilkinson Harry Wright
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The complete list of eligible players:
The complete list of eligible contributors:Code:Adams , Babe Adams , Bobby Adams , Sparky Allen , Johnny Alou , Jesus Alou , Matty Alou, Felipe Altrock , Nick Aparicio, Luis Archer , Jimmy Arlett , Buzz Austin , Jimmy Avila, Bobby Bailey , Bob Bancroft , Dave Bando , Sal Barry , Jack Bartell , Dick Battin , Joe Bauer , Hank Beaumont , Ginger Beckert, Glenn Beckley , Jake Belanger , Mark Bender , Chief Benton , Larry Berg , Moe Bergen , Marty Berger , Wally Berry , Charlie Bibby , Jim Bigbee , Carson Billingham , Jack Bishop , Max Blackwell , Ewell Blades , Ray Blair , Paul Blass , Steve Blue , Lu Bluege , Ossie Bodie , Ping Boley , Joe Bond , Tommy Bonds , Bobby Boone, Bob Bottomley , Jim Bowa , Larry Boyer , Clete Bradley , Bill Brecheen , Harry Breitenstein , Ted Bresnahan , Roger Brewer , Jim Bridges , Tommy Brock, Lou Brown , Willard Browning , Pete Bruton, Bill Burdette , Lew Burgess , Smoky Burns , George J. Bush , Joe Bush , Donie Bush , Guy Cadore , Leon Camilli , Dolph Camnitz , Howie Campaneris , Bert Campbell , Bill Cardenal , Jose Cardenas , Leo Carrasquel. Chico Carrigan , Bill Carroll, Clay Case , George Cash , Dave Cash, Norm Cavaretta , Phil Cepeda , Orlando Cepeda , Perucho Cey , Ron Chandler , Spud Chapman , Ben Chapman , Ray Chapman , Sam Chase , Hal Chesbro , Jack Childs , Cupid Cicotte , Eddie Cissell , Bill Clark , Watty Clarkson , Bus Clift, Harlond Coakley , Andy Colavito, Rocky Collins , Shano Combs , Earle Concepcion , Dave Conroy , Wid Coombs , Jack Cooper , Andy Cooper , Mort Cooper , Walker Cooper , Wilbur Courtney , Clint Cox , Billy Crandall , Doc Crandall, Del Cravath , Gavvy Criger , Lou Critz , Hughie Cross , Lave Crowder , Al Cruise , Walt Cruz , Jose Cuccinello , Tony Cummings , Candy Cuyler , Kiki Dandridge , Ray Danning , Harry Dark , Alvin Daubert , Jake Davis , Curt Davis , Harry Davis , Spud Day , Leon Derringer , Paul DiMaggio , Dom Dinneen , Bill Doak , Bill Donlin , Mike Donovan , Bill Dooin , Red Doyle , Jack Doyle , Larry Dropo , Walt Duffy , Hugh Dugan , Joe Dunlap , Fred Dykes , Jimmy Earnshaw , George Easter, Luke Edwards , Hank Ehmke , Howard Elberfeld , Kid Elliott , Bob Elliott , Jumbo Ellis , Dock Enatsu , Yutaka Ennis, Del Ens , Jewel Erskine , Carl Evans , Darrell Evers , Johnny Face, Roy Fairly , Ron Falkenberg , Cy Ferrell , Rick Fingers , Rollie Fitzsimmons , Freddie Fletcher , Art Flood , Curt Fonseca , Lew Foster , Eddie Foster , George Fraser , Chick Freehan, Bill Fregosi , Jim Furillo , Carl Galan , Augie Garver, Ned Garvey , Steve Gelbert , Charlie Gleason , Kid Gomez , Lefty Gonzalez , Mike Gowdy , Hank Grant , Eddie Grantham , George Grimes , Burleigh Grimm , Charlie Grissom , Marv Groat, Dick Gromek , Steve Grove , Orval Gustine , Frank Haas , Mule Haddix, Harvey Hafey , Chick Hahn , Noodles Haines , Jesse Hallahan , Bill Harder , Mel Hargrave , Bubbles Harrah , Toby Harrelson , Bud Harris , Bucky Harris , Vic Hatton , Grady Hearn , Jim Hebner , Richie Hegan , Jim Helms, Tommy Hemus , Solly Henrich , Tommy Herman , Babe Herzog , Buck Hickman , Jim Higgins , Mike Hiller , John Hinchman , Bill Hodges, Gil Holmes , Tommy Holtzman , Ken Hooper , Harry Horton , Willie Houtteman , Art Howard , Frank Howard, Elston Hoy , Dummy Hoyt , Waite Huggins , Miller Hunter , Catfish Hutchinson , Fred Irwin , Charlie Jackman , Will Jackson , Sonny Jennings , Hughie Jensen , Jackie John , Tommy Johnson , Bob Johnson , Davey Johnson , Judy Jones , Charley Jones , Fielder Jones , Sam P. Jordan , Tim Jorgenson , Mike Joss , Addie Judge , Joe Jurges , Billy Kaat, Jim Kamm , Willie Kawakami , Tetsuharu Kell , George Keller , Charlie Kelley , Joe Keltner , Ken Kerr , Dickie Kessinger , Don Killefer , Bill Kilroy , Matt Kinder , Ellis Kingman , Dave Klein , Chuck Kling , Johnny Kluszewski, Ted Knabe , Otto Koosman , Jerry Koyama, Masaaki Kremer , Ray Kress , Red Kuenn, Harvey Kuhel , Joe Kuzava , Bob Lange , Bill Lanier , Hal Larkin , Henry Larsen, Don Latham , Arlie Lavagetto , Cookie Law, Vern Lazzeri , Tony Leach , Freddy Leach , Tommy Lee , Bill Lee , Bill (Spaceman) Leever , Sam Leonard , Emil (Dutch) Lewis , Duffy Lewis, Buddy Lindstrom , Freddie Lobert , Hans Lockman , Whitey Lolich, Mickey Lollar, Sherm Lombardi , Ernie Lonborg , Jim Long , Herman Lopat , Ed Lopes , Davey Lopez , Al Lowe , Bobby Lowenstein , John Lucas , Red Lundy , Dick Luque , Dolf Lyle , Sparky Lyons , Denny Maglie , Sal Maloney, Jim Mancuso , Gus Manush , Heinie Maranville , Rabbit Marberry , Firpo Marion , Marty Maris, Roger Marquard , Rube Marshall , Mike G. Martin , Morrie Martin , Pepper Mathews , Bobby May , Lee Mays , Carl Mazeroski , Bill McAleer , Jimmy McCarthy , Tommy McCarver , Tim McCormick , Frank McCormick , Jim McDaniel , Lindy McDougald, Gil McGowan , Bill McGraw , Tug McInnis , Stuffy McLain , Denny McLean , Larry McMahon, Don McManus , Marty McMillan, Roy McNally , Dave McVey , Cal Meadows , Lee Messersmith , Andy Meusel , Bob Miksis , Eddie Milan , Clyde Millan , Felix Miller , Bing Miller , Dots Miller , Hack Monday , Rick Money , Don Monroe , Bill Moon, Wally Moore , Jo-Jo Moore , Terry Moran , Pat Mostil , Johnny Mota, Manny Mulcahy , Hugh Mullane , Tony Mungo , Van Munson , Thurman Murcer , Bobby Murphy , Danny Murray , Red Myer , Buddy Nehf , Art Nettles , Graig Newcombe , Don Newsom , Bobo Nicholson , Bill Niekro , Joe Northey , Ron O'Doul , Lefty Oeschger , Joe O'Farrell , Bob O'Leary , Charlie Oliva, Tony Oliver , Al O'Neill , Buck O'Neill , Steve O'Neill , Tip Orr , Dave Pabor , Charlie Pafko , Andy Pascual, Camilo Paskert , Dode Pearson , Monte Peckinpaugh , Roger Peitz , Heinie Pennock , Herb Perdue , Hub Perez , Tony Perkins , Cy Perranoski , Ron Perry , Jim Pesky , Johnny Petrocelli, Rico Phillippe , Deacon Pierce , Billy Pike , Lip Piniella, Lou Pinson, Vada Pipp , Wally Podres, Johnny Poles , Spotswood Porterfield , Bob Powell , Boog Power , Vic Pruett , Hub Quinn , Jack Raschi , Vic Raymond , Bugs Redding , Dick Reiser , Pete Remsen , Jack Reynolds , Allie Rice , Del Rice , Sam Richardson , Bobby Richardson , Hardy Ring , Jimmy Ritchey , Claude Rivers , Mickey Rixey , Eppa Rizzuto , Phil Robertson , Dave Roe , Preacher Rolfe , Red Rommel , Eddie Root , Charlie Rosen, Al Roush , Edd Rucker , Nap Rudolph , Dick Ruel , Muddy Russell , Bill Ryan , Jimmy Sain , Johnny Sanguillen , Manny Sauer , Hank Schacht , Al Schaefer , Germany Schalk , Ray Schang , Wally Schoendienst , Red Schreckengost , Ossie Schulte , Frank Scott , Everett Scott , Jack Selkirk , George Severeid , Hank Sewell , Joe Sewell , Luke Sewell , Rip Seymour , Cy Shantz, Bobby Sheckard , Jimmy Sherdel , Bill Shocker , Urban Short , Chris Siebert , Sonny Sievers , Roy Simmons, Curt Singleton , Ken Sisti , Sibby Smith , Earl Smith , Reggie Smith , Sherry Sparks , Tully Stahl , Jake Stanky , Eddie Stanley , Mickey Staub , Rusty Steinfeldt , Harry Stephens , Vern Stephenson , Riggs Stottlemyre , Mel Street , Gabby Suhr , Gus Sukeforth , Clyde Sweeney , Bill Tannehill , Jesse Taylor , Ben Tebbetts , Birdie Tekulve, Kent Tenace , Gene Tenney , Fred Thevenow , Tommy Thomas , Ira Thomson , Bobby Tiant, Luis Tiernan , Mike Tinker , Joe Tobin , Jim Toney , Fred Torgeson, Earl Torre, Joe Torrez , Mike Travis, Cecil Trouppe , Quincy Trout , Dizzy Trucks , Virgil Turner , Terry Uhle , George Valo , Elmer Van Haltren , George Vander Meer , Johnny Veach , Bobby Vernon , Mickey Walberg , Rube Walker , Harry Walters , Bucky Wambsganss , Bill Waner , Lloyd Warfield , Frank Warneke , Lon Watson , Bob Welch , Mickey Werber , Billy Wertz, Vic West , Sam Westrum , Wes White , Sol White , Will Whitehill , Earl Williams , Cy Williams , Ken Williamson , Ned Willis , Vic Wills, Maury Wilson , Hack Wilson , Jim Wilson , Jimmie Witt , Whitey Wood , Joe Wood , Wilbur Wright , Glenn Wyatt , Whit Wynn , Jimmy Yamamoto , Koji Yeager , Steve Yerkes , Steve York , Rudy Young , Pep Youngs , Ross Zachary , Tom Zimmer , Chief
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My ballot
1. Luis Tiant
2. Hughie Jennings
3. Roger Bresnahan
4. Joe Torre
5. Jimmy Wynn
6. Joe Kelley
7. Willard Brown
8. Charlie Keller
9.Perucho Cepeda
10. Cupid Childs
11. Sal Bando
12. Quincy Trouppe
1. Phil Rizzuto
2. Vic Harris
3. Iso Abe
4. Al Munro Elias
5. Vin Scully
I'm adding Sal Bando and Quincy Trouppe in the 11th and 12th spots. On the contributor side, Al Munro Elias enters the ballot. On the contributor side, Vin Scully enters in the bottom spot..
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01. Luis Tiant
02. Eppa Rixey
03. Wally Berger
04. Jake Beckley
05. Jimmy Wynn
06. Burleigh Grimes
07. Willard Brown
08. Addie Joss
09. Koji Yamamoto
10. Perucho Cepeda
11. Quincy Trouppe
12. Urban Shocker
01. Frank Jobe
02. Vin Scully
03. Phil Rizzuto
04. Vic Harris
05. Gus Greenlee
Quincy Trouppe
He had a nice long career as a catcher in the Negro Leagues, over 20 years. The BBTF guys figure him at around 260+ career win shares, 78 in his best three seasons and 105 in his best five consecutive. They think he would have been a 270/370/420 hitter, good for a 119 OPS+, in about 7200 AB.
AG2004's take on Trouppe is instructive, I think:
from pages 50-53 of the recent book on the Mexican Leagues, South of the Color Barrier by John Virtue and p. 347 of Riley's Negro League Biographical Encyclopedia: some teammates of Trouppe's on the Bismarck, ND team: Satchel Paige (!!), Hilton Smith (!), Red Haley of the Memphis Red Sox, Double Duty Radcliffe (six Negro League all star games, though probably some duplicates in a year because they often played two), Barney Morris (made 2 Negro League All-Star games) and Chet Brewer (again a Negro League multiple season all-star) and Roosevelt Davis (Pittsburgh Crawfords and Cleveland Buckeyes). That Bismarck team was a true powerhouse.I realized that seven All-Star-Type seasons (20+ win shares) was the general cut-off area for post-1925 catchers and the BBFHOF; for the other field positions, eight was the general cut-off. Hartnett, who is a consensus member of the BBFHOF, has seven such seasons. Ivan Rodriguez, who most people here would consider worthy of Cooperstown, has also recorded seven such seasons. Since catching, more than playing any other of the eight "everyday" positions, makes high demands on the human body, and since there seems to be a limit on how often a human can catch, putting the cutoff a little lower here makes sense.
For this reason, the de facto cutoffs that the BBFHOF has established for win shares are lower at catcher than at the other positions. Again, since there are physical limits to how often a human being can catch, I don't have a problem with this. Since Trouppe has reached these standards, he belongs in the BBFHOF.
Case to Consider: TROUPPE, Quincy
1. Was he ever regarded as the best player in baseball? Did anybody, while he was active, ever suggest that he was the best player in baseball?
2. Was he the best player on his team?
Between late 1944 and 1947, Trouppe was considered the star of the Cleveland Buckeyes. While the team was mediocre in 1946, it did win the pennant in 1945 and 1947.
3. Was he the best player in baseball at his position? Was he the best player in the league at his position?
Trouppes MLEs project him with as many or more win shares than the top MLB catchers in 1939, 1941, 1942, 1946, 1947, and 1948, and more win shares than the top AL catcher in 1940 and 1943.
However, only in 1947 and 1948 was Trouppe the best catcher in baseball. Until 1946, Josh Gibson was far and away the best catcher in the game, and Trouppe would have looked poor by comparison. (Next to Gibsons MLEs, all other catchers look poor by comparison.)
4. Did he have an impact on a number of pennant races?
Cleveland won the NAL pennants in 1945 and 1947. In the 1945 Negro World Series, Trouppe batted over .400 as the Buckeyes swept the favored Homestead Grays.
5. Was he good enough that he could play regularly after passing his prime?
Trouppe had an All-Star-type season in 1948, at the age of 35, and caught for a few years more. Due to the color line, he didnt appear in the major leagues until 1952, when he played in six games at age 39. I have to answer yes here.
6. Is he the very best baseball player in history who is not in the Hall of Fame?
I doubt that Trouppe is the best player outside the BBFHOF.
7. Are most players who have comparable statistics in the Hall of Fame?
Baseballthinkfactorys MLEs credit Trouppe with 260+ career win shares and 113 in his best five consecutive seasons. They credit him with 84 win shares in his best three seasons. Dr. Chaleeko knocked down the figures for 1938 and 1946 on the grounds that Trouppe wouldnt have caught as much in the major leagues as a linear translation would indicate. Since his five-year peak lasted from 1939 to 1943, the adjustments dont affect that mark.
The adjustments would lower Trouppes best three seasons from 84 to 79, however. On the other hand, in 1946, Trouppe was playing in Negro League games, and they counted in the standings for his team. Furthermore, the BTF people admit that their MLEs, while good for career value and five-year consecutive peaks, do understate the value of a players best three seasons, as they flatten out the peaks and valleys in individual seasons. For this reasons, Ill use the unadjusted 84 figure here.
Comparable career win shares, C: Mickey Cochrane 275, Bill Freehan 267, TROUPPE 260+, Lance Parrish 248, and Wally Schang 245. From 1933 to 1936, Trouppe played for a very good Bismarck team that held its own against established Black Baseball clubs. Due to a lack of data, there are no MLEs for those seasons, and credit for them would certainly push Trouppe above 275. Since every eligible MLB catcher with 267+ career win shares is in the BBFHOF, Trouppe exceeds the cutoff mark here.
Best three seasons: Bill Dickey 87, Ted Simmons 86, TROUPPE 84, Roger Bresnahan 83, Gene Tenace 83, Darren Daulton 83, Gabby Hartnett 80. Trouppe is in the gray area.
Best five consecutive seasons: Elston Howard 119, Roger Bresnahan 116, Gabby Hartnett 114, QUINCY TROUPPE 113, Mickey Tettleton 111, Thurman Munson 111, Carlton Fisk 106. Again, Trouppe lands in the gray area.
8. Do the player's numbers meet Hall of Fame standards?
The ink and HOF Standards tests arent applicable here. While Trouppe is not in Cooperstown, he is in the Hall of Merit.
9. Is there any evidence to suggest that the player was significantly better or worse than is suggested by his statistics?
Between 1933 and 1936, Trouppe was playing high-level ball with an independent Bismarck team, but statistics from that period are limited.
10. Is he the best player at his position who is eligible for the Hall of Fame?
I believe that Trouppe is the best eligible catcher outside the BBFHOF. He has the lead in career value, and is in the gray area in the peak measures.
11. How many MVP-type seasons did he have? Did he ever win an MVP award? If not, how many times was he close?
Before the playing time adjustment was made, Trouppe was credited with 31 win shares in 1946. That would have been Trouppes only season with 30+ win shares, according to the MLEs.
12. How many All-Star-type seasons did he have? How many All-Star games did he play in? Did most of the players who played in this many All-Star games go into the Hall of Fame?
Trouppe was named to five teams for the East-West game, and probably would have been on several more had it not been for all his years in Mexico. Trouppe has seven seasons that come out to 20+ win shares, and that is the lower limit for post-1920 catchers. He might have had another one or two with Bismarck, but we dont have data for those years.
13. If this man were the best player on his team, would it be likely that the team could win the pennant?
At his best, yes.
14. What impact did the player have on baseball history? Was he responsible for any rule changes? Did he introduce any new equipment? Did he change the game in any way?
Not that I know of.
15. Did the player uphold the standards of sportsmanship and character that the Hall of Fame, in its written guidelines, instructs us to consider?
As far as I can tell, yes.
CONCLUSION: Trouppe really did come along twenty years too soon. The fact that he played for so many teams, all for short periods of time, kept him from being associated with any one club, and that hurt him when Negro League players were finally recognized. It didnt help that several of those teams were outside the organized Negro Leagues (Bismarck, the Mexican League teams). Also, Josh Gibson was, by far, the best catcher in baseball during Trouppes peak.
However, the statistical analysis at baseballthinkfactory has cleared away a lot of the screens standing between us and Trouppe. Trouppes peak puts him in the gray area for the BBFHOF, and his total career value puts him in the admit-me realm. He also had seven documented seasons with 20+ win shares, which seems to be the real cut-off line for catchers (Hartnett had seven such seasons, and, as of February 2008, Ivan Rodriguez also has seven). Trouppes record as a catcher makes him deserving of the BBFHOF.
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Caylor returns
1. Vin Scully
2. Bob Ferguson
3. Gus Greenlee
4. Tim Murnane
5. O.P. Caylor


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It's Louisville 18-10 with 11:36 to go as we start it off.
Threes, threes and more threes. I haven't seen the Bearcats hit one yet. Finally, Darnell Wilks gets one.
Louisville, meanwhile, is hitting its long-distance shots, making 62 percent of them.
You don't see the "carry" called all that often. But Lance Stephenson just got whistled for one.
I'm enjoying Mick Cronin's cuff links tonight. I need to get some more French cuff shirts.
Darnell Wilks has eight points to lead UC.
That was a nice job of Samardo Samuels of taking Yancy Gates to the basket.
Anthony McClain in the game. He misses a layup.
I have been pretty impressed, though, with the way that Ibrahima Thomas has played so far in the Big East Tournament.
Darnell Wilks with eight points and Thomas with six. But UC is shooting a ridiculous 27 percent from the field and 30 percent from the 3.
Well, do you see UC making a comeback in this game? Not sure that I do.
Impressive that UC had 18 offensive rebounds in the first half. Of course, the Bearcats missed a ton of shots.
Edgar Sosa is not a bad player.
Flops in the paint and plenty of offensive fouls called on both teams.
Vaughn hits a 3 that cuts the lead to six. Welcome to the game Mr. 1-for-6-in-the-first-half.
A big Gates dunk cuts the lead to five and forces a Cardinals timeout for the second time this half.
Bearcats go on a 13-0 run to draw to 46-45. Then Lance Stephenson ties with 47-47 with 13 minutes to go.
Gates and Thomas with three fouls now.
Stephenson with a nice drive and a runner and then a nice pass to Darnell Wilks for the dunk and the foul to tie the game 51-51. He misses the free throw, but Parker rebounds a Stephenson miss as UC takes its first lead of the game.
Then Wright with the drive, the foul and the layup. He missed the foul shot and Parker with another offensive rebound. Wright then makes an absolutely ludicrous pass.
Unreal that UC is leading this game.
ESPN tells me UC is on a 26-7 run to make it 57-53.
Yet another offensive rebound for Parker, who gets fouled while making the layup. His free throw makes it a seven-point lead.
And now UC is back to airballing 3-pointers, and Sosa hits a 3 to make it a two-point lead.
I'm not sure Cashmere Wright wants to be bumping chests and talking trash with Edgar Sosa.
Wilks with nice defense on Samuels.
Sosa, BTW, has a season-high 26 points.
And another offensive rebound by Parker. That's four big ones late in the game. Unreal.
UC has 28 offensive rebounds.
Deonta Vaughn enters the game and turns it over, which leads to a breakaway dunk by Sosa. Free throw upcoming.
Sosa's free throw is no good. UC still up one.
Deonta Vaughn is not in the game anymore.
Cashmere Wright will take two FTs. He misses it. Parker also missed one earlier.
UC calls a timeout to put in Vaughn. Guess Mick wants Vaughn to take some free throws. Nope, Stephenson will take. He has two with UC leading 65-63. He makes both for the four point lead with 29 seconds to go.
Sosa misses the 3, Stephenson with the rebound and he's fouled. He misses both FTs.
Delk hits a 3 with 9.7 seconds to go
UC inbounds to Vaughn, and nobody fouls him. It takes like 4 seconds before anybody can get to him. He makes both.
And Vaughn strips Sosa as he's about to take a last-second 3-pointer. Nice final 5 seconds by Vaughn.
UC finishes with a ridiculous 28 offensive rebounds. Gates records with 16 points. Stephenson and Wilks finish with 12 points and Vaughn has 10.


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What Makes Cells Move?
Steven J Wolf | March 2014
Cell migration or movement is fundamental to life itself. In fact, such movement is essential from the earliest stages of embryo development through to processes such as wound healing. Unfortunately, when this orchestrated movement goes awry, as occurs in cancer cells, deadly tumors may develop. As such, understanding cell movement is very relevant to modern medicine and scientists are focusing their efforts on fully understanding this fundamental process.
Hirata H, Tatsumi H, Lim CT and Sokabe M. Force-dependent vinculin binding to talin in live cells: a crucial step in anchoring the actin cytoskeleton to focal adhesions. Am J Physiol Cell Physiol, 2014, 306(6):C607-20
Identifying key components of the cellular engine in living cells
In work recently published by Dr Hiroaki Hirata, a postdoctoral fellow in the laboratory of Prof Chwee Teck Lim of the Mechanobiology Institute, National University of Singapore, and Prof Masahiro Sokabe of the Nagoya University Graduate School of Medicine in Japan, a key element in the machinery that drives cell movement was described for the first time in living cells.
It is well established that individual cells possess distinct structures, known as focal adhesions, which allow them to grip onto a surface and generate force internally. Inside the cell, focal adhesions are physically linked to a network of filaments or cables, composed of a protein called actin, that form near the cell membrane. These are highly dynamic and are constantly undergoing assembly and disassembly. Due to their dynamic nature, as well as the activity of a protein known as myosin, the actin filaments are constantly moving inwards, towards the center of the cell.
Force-dependent binding of vinculin to talin has been reported in in vitro and in silico studies. We have, for the first time demonstrated that this force- dependent binding indeed occurs at focal adhesions in living cells. –Hiroaki Hirata, MBI research fellow
The question that scientists have long sought to understand is how a moving actin filament network can be physically linked to a fixed adhesion site, and how this linkage generates cell movement. Previous work had shown that a protein known as talin could theoretically provide this link, however this protein could only sustain a small amount of internal force, and would 'slip' with any force larger than 2pN. It was akin to playing tug-of-war with a lubricated rope. However, the actin binding protein talin was also known to possess multiple vinculin binding sites and the force-dependent binding of vinculin to talin had been observed in both in vitro and in silico studies. It had just never been observed in living cells.
Hirata et al have now shown that indeed, vinculin binding to talin does occur in living cells. Although talin will slip beyond 2pN, this encourages the accumulation of vinculin at the focal adhesion site, and, before the link slips, multiple vinculin proteins bind to the complex, forming an integrin- talin-vinculin-actin link. Each vinculin molecule was shown to withstand 2.5pN of force. With multiple vinculin proteins able to bind to this complex, a far greater force was sustained, and this is sufficient to tether the actin filament network to focal adhesions.
Although the actin filaments no longer move inwards, they are still growing near the cell membrane. In the cell, the membrane protrudes outwards around the growing filaments. Eventually new adhesions form at the tip of the protrusion, allowing the cell to grab onto the substrate surface. The protrusion thus becomes the front of the cell, and the rear must follow, allowing the cell to move forwards. Traction has been harnessed and the cell will inch its way forward, testing and responding to the stiffness of its substrate, until it reaches its destination.
With cell motility particularly relevant to cancer treatment, burns treatment and organ development, our understanding of cell motility and the machinery that mediate this process is particularly important. With further understanding of these processes, the researchers at MBI hope to identify new technologies and therapies targeted at encouraging, or preventing, cell motility.


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Kaiser intended to kill Teresa and conceal the work related injuries sustained by her during the course of her employment at Kaiser. Kaiser orchestrated first the events to be carried out by Olive View followed by those events that are characteristic of the procedures involved in the processing of a workers' compensation claim. Making use of the California Civil Code §56.10(c), Kaiser provided a medical assessment plan to Olive View's Infectious Disease Clinic where Dr. Suzanne Donovan would manage the health care services to be provided to Teresa. Kaiser wanted Teresa's injuries to be called Pemphigus Vulgaris, and it wanted Teresa to take large doses of prednisone. In addition, Kaiser wanted Olive View to produce medical records on which was recorded the deterioration of Teresa's health, and to falsify on its records the diagnosis of pemphigus vulgaris. Olive View had, later, disclosed said medical records, secretly, to Kaiser whom further disclosed them, again secretly, to both Dr. Alaiti and Dr. Grodan.
Teresa asked the Law firm of Kenneth H. Rowen for assistance in filing a workers' compensation claim against Kaiser. Rather than helping her, the Law Firm ignored Teresa and helped Kaiser, instead, by producing fraudulent legal documents each of which purporting some form legal services which were not really provided to Teresa; for example, two fake subpoenas.
Dr. Alaiti wrote the first medical evaluation of Teresa's injury, and Dr. Grodan wrote the final medical evaluation of Teresa's injury. Both doctors had based their reports on unathenicated medical information attributed to Teresa.
I am Teresa's ex-husband and I took control of Teresa's medical and legal issues about one year after Kaiser began to inflict Teresa's person. I spent the following two years in research of information that I collected with regards to pemphigus vulgaris, bacterial skin infections, heart disease. The research had eventually led me to the study of Teresa's Olive View medical records, specifically those generated between July 17, 2008 and December 12, 2008. I realized that Olive View had never performed a diagnosis of pemphigus and the prednisone medication was wrong. Teresa had obtained the discovery file from the Law Firm of Kenneth H. Rowen. After reviewing that file for six months, I have concluded that kaiser was the principal offender against Teresa while the Olive View Medical Center, The Law Firm of Kenneth H. Rowen, Dr. Alaiti, and Dr. Grodan were accomplices to kaiser.
On April 28, 2011, Teresa's entire body was covered by open sores. She had almost no hair on her body. Dr. Woodley from USC Medical Center was surprised to learn how Olive View could harm Teresa in the manner that he saw. Nevertheless, Dr. Woodley stopped the outbreak of lesions in five days. For about ten days, Teresa would lie in a bath of hot water, one hour each day, in order to remove the dead skin.
If Kaiser does not compensation Teresa by January 17, 2014, I will amend this report to include the details that explain how Kaiser plotted agaisnt Teresa.
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Libyans march against militias
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It probably won't get as much coverage as the violence in Pakistan, but there's another notable demonstration today. According to the AP, around 30,000 people have come out in Benghazi to demand the disbanding of militias after the attack that killed U.S. ambassador Christopher Stevens:
"No, no, to militias," the giant crowd chanted as it marched along a lake in the center of Benghazi, filling a broad boulevard. They carried banners and signs demanding that militias disband and that the government build up police to take their place in keeping security. "Benghazi is in a trap," signs read. "Where is the army, where is the police?"
Other signs mourned the killing of U.S. Amb. Chris Stevens, reading, "The ambassador was Libya's friend" and "Libya lost a friend."
"Benghazi has been thrown wide open, it's full of chaos, looting and crime," said Ihsan Abdel-Baqi, a woman in her 50s who joined the march. "We want our dignity back. We are not afraid of anything."
The giant crowd poured into a square in front of the main camp of Ansar al-Shariah in the city, unfurling a long Libyan flag and chanting, "With our lives and souls, we redeem you, Benghazi." Military helicopters and fighter jets flew overhead, and police mingled in the crowd.
Several thousand Ansar al-Shariah supporters lined up in front of the camp in the face of the crowd, waving black and white banners. But there was no immediate friction between the two sides.
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1997 240sx- stolen and never found, no money from it
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I was wondering what is the best sounding exhaust system out there. If you have a link to a video clip or an exhaust sound on a Duratec exhaust system, please post it here.
I'll have mine added in the not to distant future.
Probably by later today. I hold a 88% Non-flake rate. Better than most people.
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1) I know about the "hard start"
2)First rev is to approx 2500 rpm
2nd is 3,000, 3rd rev is 4,000 rpm.
and the last one was just a quick punch.
Here's my video from a cold start, exhaust mods listed below.
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This can stay since it's specifically for one type, but I'd encourage anyone who posts a clip here, to also add it to the FF Exhaust Clip thread in Focus General Chat, here, if you haven't already done so. [:)]
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Pardon the clattering noise of my lens cap falling on the pavement, hopefully this site works for all. Oh yeah, I revved the car up to a little over 2k, then up to 4k, then more normally brought it up to 2k... so the last noise is kinda similar to what it sounds like as you accelerate (quickly) up to maybe 30 mph? I find the exhaust is loudest around 16-1800 rpm, then it transitions into a mellower tone as you speed up or slow down.
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autocrossman, why don't you start your own thread(s) or do a Search, since other than the exhaust part that's not got to do with Exhaust clips.
As for order, I would personally say Intake, Exhaust (maybe Cam Adjustment put here, after I & E are affected), Header, SCT. But you can really do it whatever way you'd like, if you get the SCT now, you'll still have it later, etc...
i did start my own thread.. by the way, I just had the rear engine mount installed today. from VF Engineering. The mod was worth it to a point. you can feel the engine a little more at a stop, but when shifting, you can barely feel that it's doing it's job. The mod was worth it to a point. Definately if you are planning to drag race.
now i'm starting to feel that the shifting is a lot better now. didn't notice it after I started driving it more. Definately a good mod if you have the money. I would recommend a SCT superchip and have the idle increased to 900rpm. Mine is idling at around 600rpm and it's shacking too much. As soon as you start going, it disappears. It has more torque too. I quess I have to get used to it.
Hey, I just wanted to let you know dude, I bought a Borla Exhaust for my 2.3L off borla.com, they are on clearance there, cheapest price around, it was 363.99 + like 40 dollars shipping, still an awesome price... mine is coming in probably tomorrow, my friend has borla on his focus and it sounds tight as hell. just thought i'd let you know, if your gonna get borla, get it now cause theyre being discontinued for the 04 duratec focus. :)
Why would they discontinue it when the same system fits the 05/06 Duratec?
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I bought mine three days ago and it's coming in tomorrow. I can't wait for it to get installed. I was going to say that this is the cheapest price arround but nobody has noticed it because everybody is too busy looking at other online performance shops. I'm surprised and excited. Everyone should have a borla. [cool]
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5 on May 16, 2016
Ashley's bed and breakfast gets top ratings from us. The rooms and bathrooms were very clean. The location is perfect to all the bars and restaurants. The people who worked there were extremely friendly. I recommend anyone staying on the island to check out this place!
5 on August 21, 2013
Ashley's House is in the perfect location and within walking distance to the best part of downtown. The rooms have their own bathrooms, so it is very much private for a B&B. We used the bikes offered by the hotel and also rented a golf cart. Driving the island was one of the best parts of the vacation. This B&B is definately the best kept secret on the island.
5 on September 03, 2012
Really nice B&B. Very nice people, very personable. Nice breakfast service.
5 on July 02, 2012
We have never stayed at a bed and breakfast before although we have visited the island every year since I can't remember when....we were invited to to do so by some friends who have stayed at Ashley's in the past and have really enjoyed it.....I was so glad we stayed....such a lovely home and the owners and people working there were just fabulous....they gave us such great suggestions on places to visit and to eat......what a great time all four of us had and will definitely return to stay on the island again and at Ashley's........we would highly recommend if you have plans to stay overnight on the island to check with them.......Very Very Nice.....
4.8 on March 25, 2012
We had such a wonderful time. Came over for the day and decided to come the same weekend every year as we made such wonderful friends.
5 on June 28, 2011
This was our first stay at a bed and breakfast, but it won't be the last. We truly enjoyed the home and the fantastic service. Everyone made us feel so welcome and at home. The home's location is also perfect - close enough to Delaware Street, but yet far enough away. It's the perfect place for a getaway!
5 on June 20, 2011
My husband and I had the most wonderful weekend here. It sits very close to downtown Put-in-Bay, yet was just far enough to peacefully sit on the porch anytime and enjoy! Rooms were gorgeous & immaculate, hospitality superb, complimentary breakfasts just splendid and we will not choose to stay anywhere else whenever we visit Put-in-Bay in the future!!
5 on September 08, 2010
Very clean, very inviting. Kelley was awesome. She was knowledgeable about the island and were to go for the best food and fun my room was sunny and bright Bed was comfy. I stayed in the sunflower room. Cute!!
5 on August 01, 2010
We stay at Ashley's every year. Judy always remembers us and knows we like Room 1 (quite spacious and has its own bathroom). Many of the rooms have their own bathrooms. Judy, Bob & now Kelly are very helpful. We were allowed to borrow several of the house bikes to tour the island. Their breakfast is very good; includes hard-boiled eggs, which my husband needs for protein in the a.m.! Having the use of swimming pools at nearby hotels is a nice plus. We do avoid weekends as we are not into the bar scene. The air conditioning feels great on a hot summer day! Nice antique furniture and quaint themed decor. Last week was probably our 7th stay there. We love it at Ashley's!
4.6 on July 29, 2010
During our anniversary we love to come here and relax. We like the hominess of Ashley's Island House and the owner is a doll! We love it here! And we always will. Thanks, Judy!!
5 on June 24, 2010
Everything I expected a bed and breakfast to be! Lovely owners, very picturesque setting, absolutely perfect.
5 on May 21, 2010
My husband and I stayed here on our first trip to Put-in-Bay...it was GREAT! Bob and Judy are the sweetest people, and they are fantastic at making your stay as wonderful as possible. The house is beautiful and it's the PERFECT location. We are definitely coming back to Put-in-Bay in the near future and without a doubt, we are staying at Ashley's Island House.
5 on October 08, 2009
My husband and I stayed mid-week so as to avoid Put-In-Bay's famous party crowd - and it worked beautifully. Ashley's was convenient but quiet. The room was delightful, and breakfasts bountiful. We would definitely do it again.
5 on September 22, 2009
Literally 2 blocks from everything. Walk to town and walk home. Enjoyed sitting on the front porch and watching people walk by. Quiet rooms decorated in a charming victorian way. Bob and Judy make your stay warm and welcoming. Wouldn't stay anywhere else.
4.8 on July 24, 2009
What a wonderful relaxing fun place to go. We loved it. Guest assemble on the huge front porch every evening. We met people from all over. Rooms are realy great. We had our own bathroom and huge room. It was room 1 but it can be hard to get it. Don't miss it. Phil Dallas, North Texas
4.4 on September 08, 2008
This was the first time we ever spent at a Bed & Breakfast. We had the only Bedroom on the first floor and it was very quiet all though the evening. Judy was very friendly and helpful with everything we asked about. She even offered to put our motorcycle in the garage if we so desired. We really enjoyed our stay their much better than if we were at a motel. We would love to do it again some day!
4.4 on July 17, 2007
My 2nd visit and I love it. Judy and Bob are perfect host who go out of their way and more than above and beyond for their guest. Highly recommend and I would never stay anywhere else.


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