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Oct 25, 2012|
We discuss a mini-controversy du jour... Stephen A Smith apparently utters the phrase 'N-please' on First Take this Morning, then denies it, but doesn't give an explanation to what he actually did say. But when the show re-aired later in the day, the word in question was removed/bleeped. So if he didn't say it, why did they bleep it? We discuss it, and the racial implications of making such a statement on live tv.
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People reacted and this is this is he would say it repeats. -- -- -- -- saying it on national TV on -- on a sports show this is not HBO this is not you know bill going until March at this is different. So it's all a lot of people got to hear. What happens and give me a favor computer you can best explain conjure. You're watching this what is reaction wounds are when he -- showed it wasn't like all bleep I can't believe exactly. Exactly because you know sometimes you know England from being in broadcasting for. Many years many many years actually. Sometimes. During live broadcasts and things happen -- happens or you get you yet. Get really animated or it's not even animation thing it's just it's very simple. Slip of the tongue I am a professional broadcaster well sometimes your professional broadcaster pat makes the list. It's Stephen -- a professional brought -- and you look at what happens. Is they. You know -- screwed up. If they adjusted last year. Know enough about it I said a word earlier that was inappropriate happens all the time -- union's fifteen then -- of Danny or perform OK third. You -- a guy Mike a little early to show when that Cheney was making the -- I said it appropriate inappropriate words won't want to apologize and hope like -- Report. Still waiting for it. 240 you can afford and want. To wriggle out of it quicker -- this -- art style it's these announcements I don't think you're -- him. -- -- -- it don't happen then you think okay. What I do here. But receiver and I'll watch this -- he said. He says the word in there and how to grab the repels. Of his suit jacket in just a little pull down like what. I don't set. -- -- it and I can track it. I can believe it I can't believe in anything so. Ed this always comes up in people's budget yet and I've had discussions about this with friends of mine who of of all races is all they should they should be and the word now. -- words should be banned. I think. People should be responsible for the -- respect. So. If you are if if you are white in use. Real concern and I can't say you can say. But then you have to be prepared to deal with the consequences. Just like I said he term. That's offensive to some Jewish people. You know -- would beat me up if I said -- term that is you that is offensive to some Italian people. You know -- Yeah I should I should accept the consequences. For what I'm sane and so now Stephen A Smith news. Am sure is gonna apologized asked you and yet except about the consequences. Of what he said a couple of cognitive. It shouldn't where's the filters there. Our second he says it cannot again. He probably forgets where users sometimes people do that and part of Stephen A Smith act that people like. Is that when he gets a one of those rolls. It sounds like he's back in the barber -- okay and he didn't he's giving you. A complete rundown on how we really feels to get on the -- up and down and a can't. That's who we love Obama. But how does the filter at -- point value -- and I can't believe I just said that I need to just step up 12 sorry. If I offended you are probably offended some people I didn't mean it exactly to what you thought of -- an -- to everybody right right. Right now we're like yeah for. About it after it. It. Joseph Iliescu is so why does he do does yup it's almost like he grabs the -- of them I -- Damn right I -- and that's what he is that's. To -- was a little bit strange because if you if you screw up I think that's what if you got to feel that you recognize what you just did. People do slip up you're right they make mistakes things come out sometimes that you don't necessarily want the public but once they do don't you. The filter its hold on I didn't mean it the way you think I meant that I got caught up in it I started to do the type of talk I would. What if I wouldn't -- we're hoping it would friends that's what I was going I didn't realize -- plan to Iran which opened my. Instead grabbed the -- like. So I'd say it. Those -- -- so we'll see we'll see what happens. I -- Stephen -- Smith skit on Saturday Night Live -- up off the -- object broke. Well. I don't know if you can incorporate them to India through the routine at that moment to pass the sensors you know on on NBC it was. It was just. Just to restrict you because she's just it's ESP. You turn on HBO this shows you're watching and you expect to hear your -- don't want -- here. Everywhere right back so you you know what you get when you go there would go to ESP and you did not expect. Here is me -- gonna take different sides on. On this thing you know we're a bunch of people already are doing it you know right now. Com. I wanna be able to. Filter some of these -- -- actually reads some of these on the error for that very strong Glen and your yeah thank you very much. Now sometimes I do think in my you know -- my feet but. -- you're gonna get a lot of different reaction because everybody's gonna view it I think. Differently. You know. Depending on the the the sensitivity. Level they're gonna they gonna view it differently. It depends on a lot of things day in the Pentagon. I'd ESPN ST chairman Stephen A Smith. This comes from the Caspian right now will not be reprimanded for saying the inward. On first take this morning. It appears the powers. That be held for a couple of hours this morning. Stephen A Smith convince them that he didn't say. What we all -- we heard him say even though 99%. Of people. Who have seen or heard the audio. Note note that he said I -- nobody you know it's it's not written -- -- but it does that he has a right it is non apology denial. Is laughable. On The New Yorker. I speak very very fast release its. First the most obvious question if you didn't say it. Why it was the words -- from subsequent hearings of the show because the other 99%. Obviously hard. This strange this is the same network that does suspended exports -- -- pursuing chink in his armor. We're talking about Jeremy -- earlier this year. That anchor Max freedoms suspended for a month. Probably heat these suspensions I think it's the wall along way. Of dealing with the stuff we get to that later it was almost universally agreed ESP -- terrible decision in that instance. I'm guessing here but I think the opposite will be true in regards Stephen placement situation. Wouldn't surprise me if they changed their mind and put Stephen on the bench for -- posters for the public sees -- from a desperate that wears ischemic. Attributes elsewhere where attribute in this the big lead a completely under our. So but rocket went. Rock and Steve and denied that he said. I don't care how fast you speak. -- -- -- -- This is I think what I think will. We know what's happening now we're fact checking but I -- that's got to study about that -- saw the ballot card school of not an -- well I'm not gonna know you can you can't. You can of people. And what was the word you were turns. 'cause if it were close eight maybe we don't forget about it. It's a fast wouldn't real or just maybe -- jobs multiple houses don't new language. It's kinda sputtered bitten some game out Stephen A box right is that we're we're so into words something. You can't you can't take that support why not take the approach. That people would understand I said it. I apologize I know I have -- that a lot of people that this is talked did we would have been in a conversation like that I got caught up. This isn't me this is an easy way is an and an easy one out. It's an easy way out but he should look at this -- to. Everybody that is the country you live and folks so let's just be real with -- everybody is not a cent. Everybody's not offended. By that worked. So. He would if he came out and he. That I. I shouldn't sit on TV -- be some people who say who would say. Pakistan. I feel the same -- so he would have some support. If he'd acknowledge that the actions that. But he is not going to. I don't think this is the right way. For him to deal after the fact I really don't I think this this is gonna make it worse this is going to give the shelf life this is going open up. The entire conversation what you should do and I've talked about this before. And our athletes that say it out of court. When you have a problem. If you tell the truth I probably prior attacks there if you life becomes part of it that much bigger of you know one genius of -- -- it's it's a great one. Rick Pitino made a mistake. -- one of those motivation books trying to get people excited we should've done. You should've done just the opposite he should have written a book about how we live now we get his way through all the state and eventually it catches up. And it may -- -- -- could do the same thing right the same type of its secret. But is great but -- -- -- my extended family which is all my players securities recruits who believe in the families who believe -- here's the keys that I've started at indiscretions six years ago. Look at it that's the -- lets you guys out but it happened yesterday -- happened last -- happened. Six years ago on Apollo I apologize report but let's keep in my. It was six years -- I knew what you're doing particularly critical. Is that still relevant to what you're doing today. Out idiot. To a lot of stuff during the course of the day it's it's actually -- -- and he stumbled into the patriots. Or in London this is one of those games I can already tell. It's it's a game if you're patriots and you should be very concerned. Because you you've seen a team right now that offers. Some a glimpse of some of the stuff that you've already seen from that NFC west division with a completion defense and commit quarterback. But this that's the problem is the problem is the rams don't be reputations. Of people looking and it's the season began. This is one of those that you went over quickly into. A 46. Right now you look at it. Totally different game will get into if they were playing at Saint Louis. Olympic program and again report but the New England Patriots go to England -- -- That's just wrong you can not -- the new injury. And is already convinced me -- -- to a later that people in England won't be caring about this game because he's already looked at the the other -- what ball soccer and football schedule. Apparently there's some big games with people in England. Are not gonna care about our. Football with -- almost. A 92 break we get right telephone calls here and show. I'm not sure there's your heart -- it might. That's not accept. That's not accept can't deal. Well -- but I don't think you can you if you say it's not acceptable shouldn't be. Unacceptable from the standpoint that a black person considered a white person can't that's a totally different I -- -- I'm not I'm not arguing that we should say. It's just not a word that we should be using. On ESP. Now. Simple as that I don't like. While there are some people -- their problems is if Dave Chappelle or comedian did anybody manager would have director would have trouble. If it's if that's what you're shooting down to watch and you know that that's what you're going to watch a comedy. In which Chris rock and Dave -- some like that is going to use that you accepted going into two to the the entertainment -- -- -- right. Are you don't expect that on ESP it's not acceptable language on ESP. Even know black guys are. Rick there get to aggregate and the people that the double standard people -- -- -- and our our Mary. What do what -- marry you you you understand that there are lots of double standards that there's certain things that can be said you know that you can't say back to come off. Find a lot of Collie -- -- real world it's all of double doubles and of course still thankful for my mother and that's right -- -- said. Hi I can't back I can't argue that. I can't argue that point but it puts even -- it wasn't in what we're missing something. He's taken a cheap way out this the cheap way this is not the way to deal now may be he's concerned. Because he's done this before. And maybe he's on double secret probation and we don't know that he's going oh bleep I got to a stipulation. That contractor in my final right now. Why did this before any SPS tell me I do it again and a motto here so maybe that's what he's doing maybe he's trying to protect his own -- right now I don't know -- 'cause it's strange that you would sit there and what's basically guidance. Let's registers so many people -- the same thing from different backgrounds. If no doubled -- double stairs are there people from different backgrounds. Different races. Different genders different parts of the country. You know. Most people are. -- saw it but I guess. Maybe -- You know the Bobby Valentine school -- work and I mean Bobby Valentine school of public relations is very effective -- denying until. That person thinks they're crazy. That it will actually wasn't -- but it would skip Bayless reaction is great as. Usually the situation. -- over idol on here it's -- Laid out. Now recently given him he should have given and they the sizzle to hold while I watch -- language -- I don't dwell on the -- -- and that's pretty sure this -- know what I'll watch your language ball man let's gets an idea to default pro Syrian via an epic show and gives up first. -- at a truck -- so Monty Monty got a bunch of up there I'm trying to our guys I've tried to that was that nothing is working in the studio. Yeah putts that I -- -- -- themselves to him operate out of work. Always talking among Monty is up on board while the honorary. -- -- And I'm. Single. I don't even know what I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah in. The coming. Up slightly -- and yet. -- didn't let it be it's got to happen to them. That. Every that he did it. What was I don't know what you don't know that when I don't like I don't think. I don't know how you don't know much don't know if it might not written. I would not I don't. It caught. It I am a member of the cat named yeah I Q how well. I. -- that put me. Watching this what it is our goal here with you Monty I will bet you. That if if Steven hay and Kobe Bryant added off the year. You. Know auto I don't if they set it off the air. Maybe you're right maybe wouldn't bother but if if Kobe Bryant here's it was about my national TV I think you would find it odd. -- -- -- -- -- All right I listen I was explaining earlier earlier Monty has her for five definitions it's complicated. It's it's. They're all sorts of feelings. About the historical use of it and abuse say it in our -- are you are selling out our ancestors or. According to a local let it really hit it is it is one is one of those things that I've talked about and debated people out here. -- -- You couldn't read -- -- I caught all. Content you army on. An eight -- I'm. The community and it I want the hot button brand you. Larry Larry Larry. Larry day did you know. It Larry David used -- Larry -- used it now we know Michael Richards used it in a setting. And that was bizarre if you ever heard that that made absolutely no sense -- -- what people as -- Michael Richards Larry Davis used. In conversations will play on his shoes that. In the current period Rosey hasn't seen yes. And -- Know and how he -- They -- to Monty Monty to me it is a huge difference just gets it about Monty that you do you write the history of the word in it. And -- these conversations have been going on for. 3035. Years. Between people who are who are not smarter than both of us -- however ever hearing a Cornell west and Michael Eric Dyson. The -- At the pros and cons of use 11 guy said yes let's use it never got to know we shouldn't use it anymore back and -- But that it is is not the history of the word it is. You really need to be used that on ES. Exactly that question -- What do you think. Probably Monte what do you think let's say now. About -- youth service. On ES -- design that they don't even though you are correct item you're correct he was saying that the dot Jones. Okay you tell me. Appropriate place yes yeah. I am. And it. And -- and talk about you what let me. Levin should I -- Glad. He was able. Eight ATP and it because he's got into an -- -- -- -- a big problem with them yet. And and well. OK but simply cannot get odds it could very watching this -- an end thanks to you you're explains this is where reduce its work its content totally this is a problem. You cannot assume. That every black person. Thinks like you even lack. Added something that. We have been fight against that is something that annoys us that you are because of the color your skin and you are sir you are. Put into. Aids specific category what you're black therefore you must like this you must think that words okay. You must like hip hop you must. You must do this you must do that you must dress this way you must act this way you must talk this way you. You can't do that Monty just because. Stephen -- that was saying it about another African American their experiences are different so Kobe Bryant -- agree with the a Kobe Bryant I think the word is ridiculous and it shouldn't be used and he may have been fighting against against this -- -- -- -- -- -- point how -- you know. How do you know on the other person's gonna feel about it but there is a different -- -- black if you're black you're you're you're OK with it right now. -- -- -- act I was trying to get marketed Tellme is it acceptable. On ESPN in that context I I can't words used by understand. -- -- what I don't understand is how it's acceptable. Of somebody using at eight on ESP mainstream TV -- -- -- Stephen A has responded to all of this and he's denying. That he did. Will let you hear from Stephen -- coming up next here an addiction. Obviously there have been numerous reports opted. The word option not -- I'm gonna repeat it one more time I did not in stuff. I have a new Yorker the very great that he has the confidence on my word that -- -- the market that. It outlawed it states that work because without work this network because this network that don't that. I would instantly issue an apology because obviously would be mistake -- thought it -- Others such work. But I did not policy bath and I understand I -- is -- -- that those that listen. That is that word in the second top out -- -- that. I had an out of the network in my career at birthday I hope it's not something that I happen we've been in the future maybe I need to slow down. Make -- -- -- let myself clearly reflect -- babies who were not out of my mouth. Well please understand. I did not say that they that they are reporting that -- and hopefully. I will not happen ever address this again. While I'm a big fan of Stephen -- without him on the show numerous times. -- he's funny -- yankees pitcher -- -- the -- provocative you don't always agree with them but in this case he couldn't be handling this. Well workers are very well. Is -- -- Michael well artisans wart was he saying and -- full. Disclosure report this before. Norm for a long time. Back and the beat gays in the NBA he was -- and covering the 76ers of the Philadelphia Inquirer is covered the Celtics for the globe. I've known him for many years so what we're talking about somebody I know. And somebody I I enjoyed talking with with that said I wonder. What he did today. I'm actually just asked what he did say that or what. What did he say that sounds like that that houses all thinking that he said. You know we could have done he could have -- one of those things where as Pete Carroll does he really wants the say the word but it always comes out freak and and you know what the word is but it's -- and it's not the other sport in -- changes couple letters around. He could have him -- said. That's what I meant when I was using another word didn't even know that he's basically down -- she's in new Yorker he talks real fast. And the -- and this is even more. These plants resistant to -- maybe I'd have to slow down. -- NAFTA and you don't. The fact that your you're able to get -- 33 octaves -- that we laugh at. -- your -- it works for you that's not the issue here. The issue as tickle me just be getting used as what if you go to apologize and say. I screwed up I apologize a thousand times. If I offended somebody why don't you. You offended some people Texas and Eddie Murphy raw 45 years ago today. When me. -- actually ten to -- let me. May be rough and you made it work. Again this is -- -- -- now. So lame it's not an apology. This is total -- That's -- -- I've got to believe there's another issue here he's done this apparently in the past. My guess is here. That he's probably a double secret probation when it comes to drop in the inward on on TV. And -- probably have some type about these kind of bad because he he he he talked about ESP. Talked about the network. We're out here. Just. Think that one word out and put another word what could possibly. -- -- -- The -- easy to -- the RO OK plus. What it followed. Please -- classic. Collapse got off to help me out of pop that we know help me out right now our so you saying a word. Begins with a man apparently yeah it's followed by les and I and when you listen to tape we cannot be where we're not gonna play the tape with an unedited yeah like we're bleeping. Me. Let me. I mean we do follow up with please. What else what else can I don't know I don't he's an economist. I here's alignment in Greenfield mass alive and I'm Greenfield at a comedy. Our guys -- up like great pride in doing so April I'm longtime good to have -- I was Stephen -- talking about Ray Allen. He was not talking -- no. -- it won't want our morale here okay start Barbara we said it can be ninja. Had him did you look at that stroke and no I I was -- in the Stephen basement he didn't say that you know. Anywhere -- what do you wanna -- Barry Allan. Well it's been bugging me also belong. And that. You know Ray Allen I think there was some -- and done -- LeBron James. I think he'd contacted. Ray Allen before I game sevens. Tampering or whatever player not tampering with a player players players can do that no rules against it's a rule. It's a problem of Danny Ainge. Goes up to a freeagent go for another team before his contract is up and says you know that's what we can do for you this team is. Now -- what you deserve this is a contract we will give you. But if it LeBron James and Dwyane Wade try to woo Ray Allen. Before game seven during game seven there's nothing against -- So. So you're you're you're probably right -- on a short while generally -- are sure to set a Ray Allen before he'd be perfect here what do you do with these slugs. C'mon I'm I'm sure all of those conversations. So it is gonna pop. Then they edited and edited by their job pleased. That the Major League. Ray Allen goes out and this is all of this spot but he missed in the second half. On purpose. Oh well. And a minute all -- -- and wow I'm in diamond and I -- saying and it right here on W -- your employees got a lot of men. I did at all now on the -- On the -- side in this is I like conspiracy theories this was a little too much from the taught. Not to much among Metallica. I don't know ray Allen's. You know his his brand has taken him here and just think I'm. People here -- just. I never thought that radio when we come back here and get booed but now he's gonna get -- you ultimately he'll get booed by some I don't get it but most people out like a 5050s. To some people will. Well understand and remember what he what he meant but he's not -- is not going to be unanimous now it's going to be everybody. Baby got an ovation when he came as -- Baby. Leon Powe Leon Powe got a big ovation Kendrick Perkins yes. But it's not gonna help James Posey it's if she's dead. It's not about how Eddie House everything well the guys that are ready to donate now for a day when a championship. -- -- you might have you're right he might. Well did that one big game yet Greg had a great game in the finals donkey in a tough -- fills in a Providence here at a big show on WE. I got things -- take my call was thrilled I'm the guy had PG and always have been always will be but. I'm very concerned about the game coming out. I mean who would have thought we would locked in Seattle Seahawks. Well we did. Well you know what I thought I would wouldn't make me Russell Wilson look like John Elway but we get -- and see that would put an -- -- -- -- to me -- market. It's a -- George brought pat might even help for the jets that you know hope they would a lot of the jets weren't sub point favorite. You can play it but you know okay not I'll I'll go with you on the on the lost the Seahawks and how Russell Wilson liked that you can't say well if they had done that's okay well if Baltimore. Had missed that field goal then they beat Baltimore and we have if -- even if koskie makes it's still go to beat Arizona syndicate you can't take away wins. -- -- -- my -- what are you to be one of those guys that think you know you have to run the ball and stop tomorrow but. Odd that the biggest. We know now from option and Jerry. Ed right now what this secondary. It's actually. Depicted these factors work this year even though we got -- jolt that they cartel were playing -- this year that we actually and I turned it. I really I really think when an Olympic Games I really built -- if you look at it deflected -- there at patriot right now. 99 point prompted one bodied people will be lucky to make the play ops would dark. -- Well but that you -- you're right hold all the he felt all the you're right it's the playoffs were starting next right now I would agree with you that this team is not ready. To go up there and compete -- level -- mind on what am I tried a lot. -- don't tell I'd still there we don't -- Did you face. -- You gotta understand you can't determine what team is like in weeks and I agree with virtually everything you said I'm concerned about this game this week. I can't I I clearly skins see. Sam Bradford can be gotten having a game like wash it -- -- You know all about that area. It would drive me crazy like it's. The giants last year did anybody think after weeks of the the giants were removed the Super Bowl team right here. Nobody thought they get a chance when the player you should put an effect ultimately went to the same argument -- O line O line to give everybody about. This is October. And you don't learn anything until Thanksgiving the Thanksgiving yet know where a month away from things you get there. You'll learn. -- -- this team I -- you -- now of course today story that we have a lot of Jonas I hope so we have launched an audio and mrs. We got to get the audio for this. Lawrence Taylor. Is my all time favorite interviews nobody that's more interest on the march to it was done it again in no I don't caller. At least -- to use -- And saints and stuff that's just off this craziness I've gotten the calls. Prostitution. No that's thrown them what I gave you down from the civil trial that's going on today all that's the civil trial also we don't have any audio and audio all that's. Some secrets will get towards -- Here at a picture a little later on as well did you face. I read back there with a big jump. Org -- -- Talk a little bit about Stephen A apparently. Slipped on the air certainly sounded that way too must drop the the N word and yet he's denying it now and it never happened. Few. People are dissecting. The audio clippers one got -- -- dissected the clip. Stephen A says listen please is fast New York tongue may have skewed it too. Lisa please. Lisa please that doesn't sound anything like when I heard on -- tape on what you listen please please simply. Words. Ninkovich please. -- I'm applying it not buying it. Away. Yeah. I was easy for Stephen A today I think to just say I screwed up and I'm wondering. The fact that he had such a strong denial today even to the point where he was kind of ridiculing. The way he talks and maybe he's got to slow down his speech for everybody -- to understand him are. May be. He's got to cost as they said this contract because he's apparently done this before maybe his. Obviously believes in -- If you tell the truth. -- problem becomes part of a -- Everybody should learn from Britain to equality and I got all the eight and already answered -- question. You know maybe it wasn't by design may be richt didn't plan it that way. But he's one of the all time great teachers of life isn't it -- -- Katrina is exactly what you. I here's Monte differ much out of Monte Carlo in Monte. Hey big hope they don't you are Caucasian. Larry -- very good. Element at the concrete yet killed anywhere aren't as that market to market a bad name -- -- -- defend my honor. And I just what I don't get about it is Steve case that -- so adamant about in not saying. What he didn't say what -- set right. Glad that's that's the question that I don't know what he said maybe you just explained that -- talk Braswell actually said was. We what we all went back here at ESP and we all went back and look at the video. And I can understand why you think -- -- that but what actually said was. -- I mean it's anybody in the first thing if anybody -- you know you said that well now like. And -- in this is what I said I mean that would solve everything in the strength to smile and say hey look. This is what I actually edit so pull back and listen to that -- -- -- makes himself look much -- or recruit you guys about that. Well what can also talk about the Celtics really quick. -- so I got it -- it would do it -- section of the schedule and it got 12 they had they don't like or against the Chicago. I'm in Miami I pick -- -- -- and those matchups. There aren't 54 early on the right in Chicago who won all spread out yeah okay I I I think this can be good team. I think they're deep. And I think it's gonna allow docked because he's got different players -- different skill sets to Canada. Play around a little bit where they were losing in in the second head back to back to a young. Athletic team let's say in Philadelphia a year ago they're gonna win those games or good portion of those games are gonna want some. Another thing you look at at times last year you look at the bench and you said. What what are they getting from the bench. Port number of reasons whether Jeff Green not being there -- political -- -- prewar thing or later in the year Wilcox who said they're really her. But -- UK it you can argue as a matter that much an argument it's. Pretty premature clear cut. They do have the best bench in the league if you look at -- that Jason Terry on the bench. You've got Jeff Green. You've got Wilcox. You've got sellinger. Barbosa. You've got some guys who are who are legitimate NBA players. Coming off the bench and that I would dimension when Avery Bradley comes back is that the the funny thing is now. Even with the departure of Ray Allen. Guards are the strength of the. -- Yeah what's the other thing too is state they they have people now. Certainly Terry who can back up but the point and that's always been an issue Rondo gets himself from the foul trouble then what happens whose portable -- deal without. Com they have a lineup that can play lightning quick -- -- line up to complain to -- court situation. They can do a lot of stuff I the only question I have I think it'll take a while. For them to get the timing it for them to work is like anything else. If you using that many people in the course of the -- lot of it will go where it it takes awhile for everybody to figure out their roles I would not surprised at all. If today you were so so in the first -- over the season and then finally find you know that that wave and start playing well the only question is playoffs. Because once you get into the playoffs that's where Miami gets the advantage you don't play a lot of people there and plans you have for short rotation. And that means that KG has to go from the diminished minutes that he had during the course of the season. To once again being out they're virtually in every single player on the same way Paul Pierce the same way -- you the question. They -- healthy and they well rested to be able to suddenly ramp up the minutes. When you get into the post season because a lot bench players most of the guys that have less certain specific role. You don't use them as much and policies. Yet sixty -- -- brought up to it the I think that shortened season almost back to back to back nights you'll really killed and -- Think that that future games it's spread out you know complete a little longer and I think -- dock is one that does not eat that that really. And those minutes and checked in make ensure that these guys stay fresh. Hopefully the site I agree that it would have a -- -- -- we're gonna take out three of four from Chicago like it -- in two out of five from Miami that's. -- -- don't know roses a different team taking two out of five to Miami's is another way of saying you losing -- -- is pretty hot -- Miami. I hope that's not something that I have to revisit in the future maybe I need to slow down. Make sure articulate myself clearly reflect and everything award -- are out of my mouth. Well please understand if I did not say that they -- they are reporting that outfit. And hopefully. I will not happen ever addressed this a game. I expected -- all those regular and eventually your candidate Hartford it can't. And 228 opt out orders yet why the hell Ike especially chill. It should pay. Edgar -- and utterly grow. -- -- -- Although it shares. A little bit but it. -- act and what -- And they could. They could -- -- prediction I don't I don't. I don't know who what kind of deals are gonna make I don't know -- David Ortiz is coming back of Cody Ross is Karabakh I don't know if they're gonna make any trade with anybody I think it's safe to spotlight those I was like two -- point -- Glen when -- said this couple days ago. Was that they -- 69 games in a year. In which there. Excuse me had some bad performances they made a huge trade. And they had some injury problems are there 69 win team is that what their roster says they are I don't think so they're probably like a 78 when teamed with what we know they have. That's one and a number two Q and is that we've seen turnarounds in baseball we've seen it happen often we -- this year what. -- -- -- -- -- extra claims three teams are set in a dissent on a desert view. Baltimore. Juicy Baltimore when he 93 games here on. 69. 6969. To direct. It's not it's not all. There. Really they did okay dramatic. And dramatically and and often they adjust and Jim Johnson and they dramatically improve their roster really depiction. Yeah they run -- pigeon doesn't look good. Colorado trade -- they're regulated differently regular pitching British and Jen was very good this year with no it was very good Jim was very they have a very good starter until they didn't they had a lot of -- Artist date they would get up they would throw you -- until it. He wanted to do it -- very good -- -- -- a lot of outdoor right now. The point is. -- it's okay for you to -- -- me and meet this group did you. But when you're out when I got you gotta gotta give props on this I don't know what I can't. -- -- -- Well he's right about Baltimore now Baltimore argue -- disagree. I think Baltimore did an awful lot in India offseason. -- they had they had they had you know obviously some health issues a year ago which they did not have this year. But what it and I think it's difficult. To improve twenty games and what Baltimore did last year is not. Real easy to deal -- -- -- Michael has already predicted their demise for next year. Okay because he thinks it's a -- yeah I got us and I heard a caller called up earlier today -- sick -- watching San Francisco last night and I would admit. Big big game that that Santa -- that was un believable. Toward those home runs against maybe the best pitcher in baseball -- last that's what it did but. Calling up and I one guy in in particular who said. Vets hope for the Red Sox is what are the giants. They want the World Series two years ago different and I went -- -- -- that -- you -- route up though before our route up this one. I'll let you go yen. And it's gonna put this information on the table and then you can run with -- I promise I'll give it back to you. Before we get route up I'll just say about the Baltimore Orioles. They had one starter that's one. Once starter who pitched more than 134. Inning right that starter was share. His record was twelve and eleven his ERA it was 402. He gave you 192. Innings now you wanna tell me that's very good. I guess I'm looking at a different brand of baseball that you are your turn. Okay it might turn out -- apple want. Your rotation at the -- currently -- Included bring a black actor and at the end. -- -- -- To a corporate bounced back. Up at bat or you're. -- -- -- at this way out west. Second yeah. Shore against shore. I -- quite well I'm sure OK I think lack got a we're working -- Because I think you have to worry about Lackey first year coming back. From Tommy John -- how many how many starts does he give you that's a -- July. -- -- I think your browser only fifty games I would bank and that -- know -- okay. -- -- -- And I don't wanna go over every started let's get to play your credit breaks down your whole argument that you X amount of starters have to -- X amount -- -- to get to the playoffs. When I just told you your beloved Orioles who won 93 games. They had -- they have one starter they only have 1 starter -- morning 134 innings. Had one starter. One double digit gains -- an argument breaks down I don't care if if Jon Lester went 1719. Year if if John Lackey went fifteen they had chin went twelve bad -- went seven and Hamels went eight. They had a -- when three Gonzales when nine. There're a number of ways to get to 93 victories in the Orioles did -- in an unconventional way and we have no idea in October how the Red Sox will get. To where they wanna go the only point eight. And it would agree with you on the on the Orioles is that that this could be a one year anomaly with them. When people start talking about the the giants. And and giants by the way have been made it fairly high payroll team. Over a hundred million dollars. And two years away from winning the World Series and if -- -- 190 plus games here the last few days I think they when he 88 last year -- Slight setback. When you talk about the Red Sox make up twenty games is a very difficult perhaps it is -- now. It's more likely to me that Baltimore falls back on the back. That it is the Red Sox make that up and get up to ninety plus wins and you might have to deal. Where I would agree with you Tampa Bay because they have pitching they have tremendous starting pitching and pitching depth. There are more likely to stay where they are than Baltimore's. I would agree yeah I think I think Tampa Bay. Likely to stay where they are. Falling back. Baltimore definitely. May be in Toronto falls back -- and have a great job for -- God and I Georgia if you've got to watch out for the for the western note division right now. In the American League because Houston's coming in here and that's that's -- angels and everybody else to beat up on and win a lot of games. Here's Matt Boston Matt. They didn't go under -- -- going on that -- too much like I. When I talked yesterday still love your right and always well thank you. You -- -- -- it as quickly touch on. There are a little bit you know a little bit concerned because. I've I've -- I'm not a huge -- and I don't want to regulate but. You know he's gonna go about it you can sit and talk with -- and communities some. You know watching him you know during. And you can go about it some who say you know it is great. Commissioner and I just wanted to. -- -- Chara Marco -- he. -- -- Good I -- because I think he's an awful an appropriate then the result. -- they had a spat on ESPN earlier and I -- looking up the good the last 25 years. There's an eight campaign that's pathetic is -- mention me you know I understand that you know that we're. -- -- here and you want your team to win more often than not put him as a from a leak and equip them commissioner's standpoint. You want -- -- -- -- what do you think it was like before the game became commissioner. You see how many Boston won in the in the fifth. But it but it does not help but it's sad but it's Matt meant that it's a simple. You don't need many players great players to win championships every single year so if you're dealing. With the superstars and you've got the bill Russell's and you've got the you know the KC Jones -- the time you get the great players or the -- and and the point. And they stayed together. -- why does the court one. So -- -- when you're not gonna have a lot of champions. Not gonna happen. But they're they're not that many guys -- look at look at it look at it it corporate ample anecdotal Oprah won't play my partner at the end. And then yeah if I had at camp and W using a lot more players now a little girl and not go look at the time out on the ice. First star player in the in the NHL for an NHL team vs the time to discard the NBA is out on the on the court day and night and -- somebody without penalty and and that that because. -- It wasn't pleasant there are a lot of things you could call up with today and blame -- apparently if this is not one of them that is not his fault. It's the nature of the game in the fact that you only need five players and three great players out here to win. And I stepped wrong I think his ninth but -- but your point and I understand your point whatever but that's why you have those runs. And you why did you have the runs as you know the ones because you had great players that affect Houston. Probably doesn't win those championships those two championships if Michael is -- -- and -- -- got to punish ball. Because that's how the sport is that's how it's made up. And the Celtics obviously enjoyed in the fifties and he's only there were a lot of people complaining that you know it turns eight champions at -- amazing to think about it. I don't argued when you food that you wouldn't watch and I think I'm the reason why it makes yes. Dynasties here because you had the the end of he had the end of the lakers dynasty dynasty. Then you had the pistons who -- back to back champions and you know Michael gets this fixed and he takes those that those years off and the rockets jumper in there. And then you think of Tim Duncan in the spurs and lakers with Colombian and Jack. Miami a couple of times seems to me the Celtics to me just share the mavericks. It's easy to reason why it really is a quick break right back to the phone calls -- -- --


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Water is composed of two hydrogen atoms covalently bonded to a single oxygen atom. Each hydrogen atom shares a pair of electrons with the oxygen atom, resulting in a slight positive charge on the hydrogen atoms and a slight negative charge on the oxygen atom, otherwise known as a "dipole moment" or polar charge. Normally, the molecule would have tetrahedral geometry with 109.5 degrees between atoms, but the molecule actually has a non-linear geometry because the negative charges try to minimize their overlap, and the angle is reduced slightly to 104.5 degrees.
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This thread is meant to serve as a resource for buyers. Sellers have existing resources available to them, as sellers make up the majority of active/frequent posters on FWOA, but we recognize that many sellers are also buyers, and that many FWers are primarily buyers. Therefore, problems are addressed from the buyers perspective, and some advice offered may be contrary to the best interests of sellers (for example, buyers are encouraged to pay with a CC, while sellers for many reasons prefer not to accept CCS).
The majority of the content in the OP was written by Nariokotome. I contributed to it, but Nario deserves the lions share of the credit for the excellent guide.
Buyers and sellers alike are encouraged to give input on this, either by posting in this thread or by PM. While I know a lot about eBay, there are many areas about which I have passing familiarity but others on FWOA are experts. Your input and information is invaluable, and will be fully credited. Suggestions for both content and form (how the information is organized) are appreciated.
This guide is intentionally somewhat vague. it can't possibly address every potential problem buyers may experience. When certain kinds of problems appear to be on the rise, they may be addressed here, but if you have a problem as a buyer that is unique in some way, feel free to post about it in a separate thread so it can get more attention and advice specific to your situation can be offered.
Tips for buying stuff on eBay.
Before you buy: Or, successful problem resolution through prevention.
1. Do your comparison shopping elsewhere. The stock information eBay provides for a given item is often inadequate. The information provided by most sellers is often inadequate, or worse (but rarer), flat out wrong. You're better off using a well-known, large internet retailer for finding the information you need. I use Pricegrabber.com & Amazon.com the most often as both sites have just about any product you'd want listed. Nothing beats seeing the physical product itself, so use a b&m retailer for that, especially if you're thinking about buying a more expensive item.
I recommend using eBay to look for specific products, not a type of product - but this doesn't apply in all cases (i.e. old stuff that wouldn't be on a retailer's website or in a big box store).
If you're not sure about a specific product, you're better off paying more for it at a b&m retail store with a lenient return policy before buying it on eBay.
Now that you've identified what it is that you're buying,
2. Learn how to use eBay's search features. Do a completed listing search to get an idea of how much you should expect to pay for a product on eBay. If there have been enough of the product sold, try to identify any patterns in its selling price: are they selling for less at certain days, or times of the day? are they selling more frequently now than a week ago (this means the price could be either going up or down depending on other factors)? are there a lot of unsold listings for the item (likely means prices will be/already are dropping)?
Use eBay's result sort features as needed. The default sort is now "best match" - this combines keyword matches, time ending, seller feedback and detailed seller ratings, and some other eBay voodoo. You can adjust your settings to show results by ending soonest if you like. You can also try doing a search for lowest price first or newly-listed (this is especially useful if you're looking for buy it now items).
So you've found something that looks good,
3. Check the seller's feedback. Then check it again. 100% positive feedback is meaningless. 95% or even 90% positive feedback might not necessarily be a bad thing. You need to pay to attention to the patterns in the seller's feedback.
Do they have 96% positive because they have 100 feedbacks & 4 are negatives from the a year ago? This wouldn't worry me at all. Usually if they haven't received any negative feedback in recent sales, you're in the clear. Do they have 99% feedback, but have 10,000+ feedbacks, & have received an increasing number of negatives recently? That would concern me.
Dont forget to actually read the feedback your seller has received. Toolhaus is a great resource for quickly checking a sellers negs and neutrals. You also should at least skim the positives; trading partners will often leave soft positives when the seller wasnt fantastic, but not a complete jerk. A lot of comments such as great product, slow shipping, fast shipping, item ok or a simple thanks often signal some underlying problem with the seller.
There are three types of eBay sellers: casual sellers who clear out stuff from their house once in a while, part-time sellers who try to make a couple extra hundred dollars a month reselling hot deals, clearance items, etc., & full-time (or close to full-time) sellers who are making substantial amounts of money selling on eBay. Unfortunately, I've never been able to figure out which type of seller is the best to buy from. I find casual sellers often simply don't know what they're doing, don't know how to pack items well, take their time shipping, and/or freak out if you complain. High volume sellers, I've found, either don't give two sh!ts about buyers (what's a negative or 20 a week when you're selling >1,000 items in the same time frame?) - or will be very good at what they're doing. I'm probably biased towards part-time sellers because that's what I am, but I've found other part-time sellers value each purchaser enough to try to do everything they can to ensure a smooth transaction - they (we) simply don't want eBay to take up any more time than it requires - which means taking extra care making sure a listing is accurate, packaging well, & shipping quickly. However, these are just generalities - and feedback trumps all! Basically - if the seller is low volume & has a few negs, move on. If the seller is medium volume & has a few negs, don't necessarily move on. If the seller is high volume - well, check their feedback - with high volume sellers pay particular attention to their ratings on shipping time & communication.
How does the seller respond to their negative feedback? By leaving retaliatory negatives, using immature language? That's a concern. By replying, "Sorry, refunded the buyer's payment"? That's less of a concern - unless that's a standard reply to all of their negatives & the follow-up from the buyers is always, "No they didn't!" Sellers can no longer neg buyers, but you can still see what they have done in the past. You can also check responses to feedback they have been give.
Who has left them negative feedback? High % eBayers who have left few negative feedbacks & have themselves received few negative feedbacks, or buyers who are leaving lots of negative feedback &/or receiving lots in return? The former is definitely a cause for concern while the latter, ehh, not so much - some people are just idiots.
Watch out for feedback rings, or meaningless feedback. Feedback rings are usually fraudulent accounts that all give each other feedback for auctions of items that are 1 cent (or very low cost) & have no shipping cost - meaningless feedbacks. Look out for a seller who has been inactive (as either a buyer or seller) for an extended period of time (>1 month), & now has tons of stuff for sale, especially expensive stuff - that's probably a highjacked account.
The new detailed seller ratings (DSRs) (aka the gold stars on the FB page) may also help you decide who to buy from or avoid. Sellers need at least 10 FB before the stars show up, so if youre looking at a casual seller, dont be alarmed if you dont see DSRs yet. Ideally you want a seller with high marks on all four DSR categories. An average of 4.5 or better would be good, but consider the whole seller profile in assessing the DSRs.
Seller looks ok?
4. Read the auction description. And its terms. Look for auctions that are devoid of spelling errors, grammatical mistakes, or stupid sh!t like lots of smiley faces & awkward formatting. Look for clear, concise descriptions of whatever it is that you're buying. Look for clear pictures as well.
Watch out for disclaimers like, "stock photo", or what are obviously stock photos the seller is just stealing from some other website. If they can't take the time to take an actual photograph, do you think they'll take the time to package well and/or communicate with you if something goes wrong? This doesn't really apply to high-volume sellers, but it certainly does to low- & medium volume sellers. Actual photos are critical for items with a value materially affected by condition. You just don't buy a crystal sculpture without seeing photos to ascertain that the "mint" description is correct. For other items, however, actual photos aren't always necessary. Do you really need to see a box of a sealed hard drive? Use judgement in deciding whether you need to see actual photos. If they aren't in the listing, and you want to see them before bidding, either move on or ask the seller to take some for you.
Watch out for "untested". Untested usually means 'we tested it & it didn't work', unless it's obviously some random item the seller might not be very familiar with. If you're buying computer parts that say "untested" from a computer parts seller, I can practically guarantee you they did, in fact, test it, & it didn't work. Otherwise they would be selling it for a higher price and some sort of guarantee.
Watch out for "no refunds". This is pure BS, plain & simple, at least for most items. You can very often get a refund through PayPal even with that language in the auction. Usually, I interpret it as an indication that the seller will do anything & everything in their power to fight giving you a refund. For some items, like concert tickets, or adult toys or lingerie, this is not a concern - if a normal b&m retailer wouldn't let you return it, then don't expect an eBay seller to let you return it.
Watch out for sellers who advertise a manufacturer's warranty, especially for electronics. Many electronics manufacturers demand a retail receipt before doing warranty work - and eBay sales are rarely (if ever) covered by them. This is common for digital cameras & camcorders (of which there's a big gray market on eBay - do not buy a camera on eBay from a seller in NYC, haha). Nikon, Canon, Kodak, & Sony all need receipts for warranty work. If the auction does not explicitly state that the seller is including a copy of the retail receipt or an original gift receipt, don't buy it. Period. Many (most?) of the digital cameras sold on eBay are made for overseas markets & have no US warranty. Maybe this isn't an issue on a $60 point n shoot, but it certainly is on a $600 SLR. Other electronics manufacturers do NOT require a receipt, like hard drive makers (i.e. Western Digital, Seagate, Maxtor, Hitachi), RAM makers (i.e. Crucial, Mushkin, Kingston), & cpu makers (neither AMD nor Intel require a receipt last I had to RMA a chip, but neither warranty OEM chips anymore). If you don't know - call the manufacturer! A simple, "I bought this item two months ago & can't find my receipt, can I still send it in for warranty work?" is all it will take.
Check the seller's return policy. Do they have one specified? If not, that's not a selling point but it's not necessarily a bad thing, either (again check feedback to see how they've handled this before). Does the seller make it easy or difficult to return things? Do you need to go through some PITA RMA process & ship it back in 3 days? That's never a good thing. Do they plainly state items must be returned in their original selling condition within 1 week? That's fine.
If an item is expensive (for me, that's just about anything over $100), I contact the seller first with some question or another. I'll confirm that a detail in the description is correct, ask about combined shipping, or something else (even if I don't really need to know the answer) - simply to establish that the person is half intelligent in their response, as well as to see how quickly they respond.
Look at the shipping information each seller provides. Many sellers will indicate their shipping time frame in the listing. Some sellers may ship only once a week, others ship twice a day. If you need your widget in a hurry, look for a listing that promises prompt shipment. Don't forget that prompt shipment via Media Mail probably won't get you your rhinestone tiara in time for the prom. Many sellers offer a choice of shipping carriers and services/classes. If you need something in a hurry, look for a seller who has some sort of expedited shipping service offered, but remember that you do pay for the privilege of fast plane over slow boat. If you need something by a specific date, consider what carriers offer guaranteed delivery. From the USPS, only Express Mail has a service guarantee (which is 1 or 2 days after shipment depending on where you are in relation to where the seller is). UPS/FedEx/DHL are typically better choices if you need your widget on time. If you can locate an item close to you, and choose a private carrier, you're likely to get your item by when you need it. Otherwise, suck it up and buy from a B&M.
The shipping fee matters, too. A favorite tactic of many sellers is to increase the shipping/handling fee while decreasing the item price. This reduces some of the fees the buyer pays, and due to buyer psychology tends to attract more bids. Make sure that you consider the item price plus any s/h/i fees in determining what to buy. A $5.99 widget with free shipping will cost you less overall than a $2.99 widget with $4 shipping. eBay now offers the ability to sort by total price in searches.
You also need to think about how you can get packages. if you have a PO Box, then don't spend time looking at widgets that ship only via UPS. Also, you need to know that most sellers will require signatures on delivery for sales of $250 or more. This isn't to hassle you, or delay you getting your package, but a PayPal requirement for seller protection. So while you may need your rhinestone tiara by Friday, and UPS says they can get it to you on Friday, you may still need to arrange to have someone available to accept it, or you might have to go out to the UPS depot yourself to pick it up and sign for it.
Fakes, forgeries, frauds, charlatans, & mountebanks abound on eBay. This is especially true with certain items such as designer jewelry, clothes, & just about any electronics item that's coming from Asia. DVDs being sold at far less than retail price are bootlegs from Asia. Flash drives being sold at far less than retail are fakes from Asia. Lest I sound like I'm picking on Asia, fossils that are too awesome for the asking price are fakes from North Africa. Or China. Sorry, I can't help it.
Don't be the sucker out of all the people who were born the same minute as you. Pay a few dollars more to buy your DVDs from an American selling retail American DVDs. This doesnt mean that an American-purchased widget is guaranteed to be authentic, just that the odds of getting a real widget are much better when buying American.
So the item looks ok? Then go for it.
5. Paying for your purchase. Use a credit card. Most buyers will use credit-card funded PayPal, but if you and your seller can agree on another service that lets you use your CC, that works too. You just really want to be sure your payment is CC-funded (whether processed by Paypal or any other processor), because a chargeback may be your only recourse if something goes wrong. (Unless you're buying porn, then use a USPS postal money order.) As a seller I hate to say it because I'd rather cash out USPS postal money orders, but as a buyer I won't use anything else. There is no real way to recover any money sent in the form of a personal check or money order. eBay won't let sellers take Google Checkout (yet). If you absolutely must send a postal money order, I wouldn't send one for more than you can afford to lose without getting too bent out of shape over (i.e. that last Playboy you need for your collection). Note I keep saying USPS postal money order - most sellers prefer this type of MO, & if they try to screw with you, you can at least send the USPS after them for mail fraud. With other MOs, you do still have the mail fraud option, but the USPS looks even less kindly on fraud committed with the USPS x 2 (USPS MO + mailed through USPS).
A note about payment methods: eBay has severely restricted paper payments. Sellers may no longer advertise they accept checks and money orders in most categories. If you wish to pay with a check or MO, contact the seller before bidding/buying to ensure they are willing and able to accept it.
We'll assume, for the purposes of much of this guide, that you are using CC-funded Paypal. If your CC was processed some other way (using a seller's merchant account, for example), then some of this info applies but clearly not all.
Anyway, onto PayPal payments. First, if you have any balance in your PayPal account, withdraw it to your bank account or send it to one of your other PayPal accounts before paying*. Second, pay with a credit card. If something goes wrong, & PayPal refuses to help, a credit card chargeback is your last resort. PayPal will discourage you from using your credit card. The default option is to pay with funds in your bank account, you'll need to click on the 'more funding options' link. Then, you'll need to select your credit card. Then, you'll need to turn down PayPal's nice reminders that there are no finance charges or bills to pay when you use your bank account, and insist you want to use your credit card. (What good FWer pays interest anyway, what with our glorious finance forum and all?)
*Yes, you may have up to three Paypal accounts, one personal and one premier or business, plus one for micropayments. If you find yourself needing to shuffle funds in order to pay with a CC, then send the money to the other account, make the payment, then refund it. Alternatively, send the money to an email address you control that is not attached to any PayPal account, make your payment, then cancel the first transaction.
Send your payment, & immediately start sending harassing emails to your seller that you haven't received your item, that you want your tracking number now, that you've changed your mind, etc. Just kidding. Sit back, & wait. At least a full week before contacting your seller (unless it's a concert ticket you needed overnighted, in which case, don't wait a week.)
After you buy: Or, resolving problems that arise post-sale.
How to handle an INR. (That's Item Not Received.)
So you bought your stuff, waited a week (that's seven calendar days/five full business days), & you still don't have your stuff?
First look at the listing. Did the seller say he shipped only on Saturdays? Then start the clock from that day. If you bought on Monday an item scheduled to ship Saturday, and its now Tuesday (8 days after EOA), you need to wait a few more days before starting to worry.
Contact your seller through eBay. Give them at least three full business days or a full weekend plus two business days to respond. No response? Contact them through eBay again. Wait at least three full business days or a full weekend plus two business days to respond to your second email. No response? Request their contact info through eBay & call them.
If they don't answer your call, leave a message & wait two full business days or a full weekend & one business day. If they don't return your message, call again. If they don't pick up, leave a second message.
If/when they answer/call you back, ask where your stuff is. If they say they mailed it already, ask for a tracking number. If they haven't mailed it yet, politely state you expect it to be mailed that day or the next business day. If they say that's not possible, tell them you want a refund, but be polite, ala 'No harm, no foul, no problem - I'd just rather not keep waiting'. Don't get suckered into the "I'll ship it in a few days" gambit (they won't ship, ever, let alone in a few days). If they flat out state they won't refund you, just hang up. If they say they'll ship it that day or tomorrow, wait two full weeks before filing an INR (more on why you should wait this long before filing an INR later).
No widget after four full weeks? File an INR complaint through eBay (which will route you to PayPal) unless the item was advertised as being shipped via media mail or parcel post. Media Mail & Parcel Post can take over a month to arrive.
Why should I wait four full weeks before filing an INR complaint through PayPal?
Because if your stuff shows up after you've filed the INR complaint but before PayPal has closed it, you can't file a SNAD claim if the item arrives SNAD.
Well, actually you can convert an INR to a SNAD, but it takes persistence to get it done. PayPals system is set up not to allow buyers to convert claims, but the paypal reps can do it if you call. Theyll likely tell you it cant be done, but if you can reach a supervisor and make your case, it is possible. Its often much easier to turn to a chargeback if you end up in this situation.
The seller says they shipped it & that it must have been lost. They say since I didn't buy insurance, I'm screwed. Am I really screwed?
No. At this point, you can either:
Politely state to your seller that the language in their auction that states that they aren't responsible for items lost in the mail is irrelevant & that PayPal's terms state that the seller must prove to PayPal that the buyer received the item or the buyer will win any INR claim. This will either piss the seller off & they'll refuse you a refund or intimidate them into issuing you a refund. If they issue a refund, great, if not, well, file an INR claim.
You can simply state that you're disappointed. And then file an INR claim.
How to handle a SNAD. (That's Significantly Not as Described.)
The stuff I got wasn't what was advertised, what do I do?
If it's an electronics item, do yourself & the seller a favor & read the damn manual - it might not be broken. It also might not be compatible with your existing equipment.
Email your seller & describe, as precisely as possible, how the item does not match its description. BE POLITE. Do not accuse your seller of deliberately trying to scam you. At this point, you really do not have any reason to assume anything other than that the seller made an honest mistake. Did the seller use poor packaging, or do something else just plain stupid? Possibly, but that's not the same as trying to scam you. Even if you have reason to suspect you've been had, don't let on that you think as such. It just makes resolution more difficult, and the goal now is to get your money back, not vent your frustration/anger. Do not leave rash negative feedback.
Give your seller a full week to respond. Try to reach an amicable resolution. If you can't, file a SNAD claim with PayPal, & prepare to wait a while (weeks, to more than a month) while PayPal freezes the funds in the seller's account, lets that money accumulate interest in their own bank accounts, & then finally decides to either release it to you or give it back to the seller.
If you do reach an amicable resolution, most sellers will expect you to ship the item back before issuing a refund. Ship it back at this point only if the seller has explicitly stated they will refund you when they get it back (in other words, the seller consented to the return). Be sure to use a trackable method (i.e. USPS delivery confirmation or FedEx/UPS). Insure it if you think it's necessary. Get a signature on delivery if you paid $250 or more. Most sellers will issue you a refund within a week of receiving the item back. If the seller does not issue you a refund, file a SNAD claim with PayPal. This process can take a month (or more), so be patient.
Why should I use a trackable method and insure the return shipment?
Because if you can't prove to PayPal that you sent it back, you lose the SNAD claim you'll file if the seller hasn't refunded you a full week after they get it back. If the package goes missing on its way back to the seller, you lose the SNAD claim you'll have to file, because the seller wouldn't've received the item & therefore wouldn't've refunded you.
PayPal says I have to get an expert to state that the item is fake/broken/SNAD. Why?
In balancing buyer and seller needs, Paypal will often puts the burden of proof on the buyer. This is to ensure that sellers are not taken advantage of by buyers with remorse over purchases. Its also to help PayPal settle claims. They dont have the widget, you do, so you may be required to get a letter from an expert stating that the widget is SNAD. If you buy a watch that arrives broken, for example, you might have a jeweler examine it and write a description on letterhead. That letter would then be faxed to PayPal. The request for an experts review is not unusual in certain categories, and for more expensive items.
PayPal ruled against me! WTF?!
File a credit card chargeback. Paypal used to close the accounts of buyers who bypassed Paypal in favor of a chargeback, but this is no longer the norm. Instead, the UA explicitly allows buyers to file chargebacks without risl to their PayPal accounts. You do need to be aware that if you have a claim open and file a chargeback, the claim will be closed, and you will not be allowed to reopen it. If you have not yet filed a Paypal claim, and choose instead to go for a chargeback, you will not later be allowed to go back and file a claim if the chargeback is unsuccessful. For this reason it is often recommended to go through PayPal first, and if you lose then go for a chargeback. That way you really have two potential arenas for the win.
I'm a victim of fraud. What do I do?
Perhaps you didn't use Paypal. Perhaps you did use PayPal, but your purchase was not eligible for PayPal Buyer protection, or your purchase was for an amount greater than what was available to you via the BPP. Perhaps PayPal simply did not rule in your favor. Whatever the reason, as a buyer you may need to report fraudulent activity to law enforcement.
If the USPS was involved in any way (you mailed payment by USPS, or the item was shipped USPS, then you may file a mail fraud alert. This can be filed online here. You can also obtain the form at any post office.
IC3 is run in part by the FBI to help combat cyber crime. They take complaints about any Internet crime that may occur. You can file a report online here.
Local law enforcement may also be helpful. You can file reports with your local LE, and have them forward it to LE in the seller's jurisdiction.
FYI, PayPal does accept IC3 reports in lieu of a report from a local police jurisdiction when they request a police report during an active dispute/claim.
With changes in May 2008, sellers can no longer leave negative or neutral feedback for buyers. Buyers still can leave negative, neutral, or positive feedback for seller. eBay considers a neutral and a negative equivalent in determining buyer satisfaction, so if you are thinking that a neutral is kind to the seller, think again.
Generally it is best to leave feedback after the entire transaction is complete. That is, after you have received your widget and are happy with it and the seller's performance. Alternatively, after you have exhausted all means of working with the seller to obtain a reasonable solution to whatever problem might have come up. Don't threaten sellers with negs, and don't leave it prematurely (before you fully understand the entire transaction and its outcome).
This is a work in progress. More information will be added in the near future, and going forward as relevant policies change. Sections to be added include how to do common functions such as pull contact info, screenshots showing how to file disputes/claims, pay with a CC on PayPal, and info on leaving FB, etc. I have a lot of relevant screenshots from my own buying and selling, but welcome additional ones (with all identifying info blurred out).
7/27/07 update: Added, per psuJC's request, info about shipping time, overall shipping fees, etc. Clarified, per Sechs' great reminder, the utility of a CC-funded payment, and reminded readers that PayPal is not the only or necessarily best way to pay.
7/31/07 update: Clarified, per Hypersion's comments, what buyers should expect from photos of products
9/19/07 update: Added some links and info for reporting fraud.
5/7/08 update: added info about police reports and IC3 reports.
5/28/08 update: Removed bidpay references, modified/added info about feedback in light of recent changes
2/10/08 update: Updated references to feedback and seller/buyer protection


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BATON ROUGE (AP) — A Texas company that built the frame for L'Auberge Baton Rouge has sued the casino's parent company and two executives for $1.9 million.
In a lawsuit filed in Livingston, Texas, Postel Industries Inc. claims money budgeted by Pinnacle Entertainment Inc. to pay Postel was kept or used for other purposes. The lawsuit names as defendants the company along with Chief Executive Officer Anthony Sanfilippo and Senior Vice President of Construction Kirk England.
Postel President Mike Postel tells The Advocate (http://bit.ly/XNreVQ) the company fabricated the steel at its yard in Livingston and put up the frame under a $7.9 million contract.
Postel said Pinnacle stopped payments August 2012 and no one from Pinnacle will talk to Postel.
"They're not paying us, and they don't want to pay us," Postel said. "We're going after them."
The casino opened in September.
Pinnacle spokeswoman Kerry Anderson said the company does not comment on pending litigation.
Postel Industries is one of several companies that have filed liens against L'Auberge Casino and Hotel Baton Rouge over the past few months. Postel's lien, which totals $2.6 million, is the largest. The liens were filed in East Baton Rouge Parish.
Postel seeks $1.7 million for the cost of the steel and its services and $210,000 for attorney fees and court costs.
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Title: Looks as if they don't even pay their employees
Employee is singlehandly suing Pinnacle and Boomtown for $300 paycheck.
Posted By: just a voter On: 2/3/2013
Title: several companies?!
Maybe we should know how many companies EXACTLY are suing Pinnacle, that information IS available. Will Pinnacle pay for their new construction in Lake Charles or will companies that do business with them here have to sue to get paid? WHY is Pinnacle not paying their bills??!!


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Hey Gordon did you mean tonights game or tomorrows? Love following your stuff
yea man tonighs game sorry boys bol
Gordon, can you go on another run like you did last year?? You hit like 15 in a row at one point it seemed! keep doing great work bud.. Only thing that scares me tonight about Yankees is that the Yankees generally don't hit pitchers they're facing for the first time well. Any way, BOL!!
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Have Fingers, 30 Seconds? You, Too, Can Hack Google Walletby
Mobile payments seem to be the last open front in the war against cash, and yesterday mobile blog TheSmartPhoneChamp highlighted another setback. A video explains a dead-simple way to gain access to funds stored in Google Wallet, a mobile payment system currently available to Nexus S users. By simply clearing the application's settings, anyone can create a new PIN and enter it to access any funds available on the account's Google Prepaid Card.
In a statement to the blog Android and Me, Google promised to patch the vulnerability:
"We strongly encourage anyone who loses or wants to sell their phone to call Google Wallet support toll-free at 855-492-5538 to disable the prepaid card. We are currently working on an automated fix as well that will be available soon. We also advise all Wallet users to set up a screen lock as an additional layer of protection for their phone."
The flaw highlights how funds loaded into Google Wallet aren't stored like your Gmail or Google+ account is, ethereal and cloud-based; the balance is tied to your physical device—a trait which, when added to the flaw, makes any money loaded into your futuristic phone wallet just as vulnerable to loss or theft as your real wallet. Which you already carry. Which works fine for most of of humanity.
Mobile payment offerings such as Google Wallet, Wells Fargo's Nokia trial, and Paypal's smartphone app all try to get consumers to ditch their wallets in favor of their phones, but have added scant value so far. If funds stored on your smartphone are neither more convenient (who, exactly, carries their phone but not their wallet?) nor more secure (the aforementioned flaw), what's the incentive to switch to a digital billfold? The solutions chase the problem, but the latter hasn't materialized yet.


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He also served as guest clinician at the University of Minnesota's "Art of Wind Band Teaching," attended by students from 26 different states and two foreign countries.
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Why are police officers allowed to go up to a red light with their lights on, go through the red light and then turn their lights off. Isn't this against the law?
Not necessarily.
R.S. 32:24 grants traffic-law exemptions to law enforcement officers, firefighters and ambulance drivers when they're "responding to an emergency call, or when in the pursuit of an actual or suspected violator of the law, or when responding to, but not upon returning from, a fire alarm."
The statute authorizes the driver of an emergency vehicle to do the following:
Park or stand anywhere.
Go past stop signs and signals "after slowing down or stopping as may be necessary for safe operation."
Exceed the speed limit "so long as he does not endanger life or property."
Disregard traffic-direction signs.
"The exceptions herein granted to an authorized emergency vehicle shall apply only when such vehicle ... is making use of audible or visual signals ... sufficient to warn motorists of their approach, except that a police vehicle need not be equipped with or display a red light visible from in front of the vehicle," reads the statute.
"The foregoing provisions shall not relieve the driver or rider of an authorized vehicle from the duty to drive or ride with due regard for the safety of all persons, nor shall such provisions protect the driver or rider from the consequences of his reckless disregard for the safety of others."
I know cockfighting is illegal, but is it illegal to raise fighting cocks in Louisiana? If it is illegal, who do I call to report it?
Under R.S. 14:102.23, it's against the law to "organize or conduct any commercial or private cockfight" and to "possess, train, purchase, or sell any chicken with the intent that the chicken shall be engaged in an unlawful commercial or private cockfight."
The penalty for a first offense includes a fine of up to $1,000 and six months in jail.
Violations of the law can be reported to police or sheriff's deputies.
Online: www.legis.state.la.us.
Is there an ordinance in Lake Charles against the use of fireworks?
"It shall be unlawful for any person to explode a firecracker or fireworks of any kind within the city," reads Section 8-3.19 of the city code.
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I am remodeling my rec room and the existing suspended ceiling isn't square. How can I correct this problem? Can I correct it while it is in place or do I need to take it down and start again.
What do you mean by square? Is it the perimeter tiles that are not square?
If any cuts you had to make on the main runners of the frame are all equal at the cut-end...it has to go up square. It's automatic. This doesn't necessarily mean the tiles on the edges will be square.:)
You can try removing the 2' perimeter rails and all the tiles. Shift the main runners so it sets parallel to the walls and reinstall the ones that fit and cut new ones that do not.
You will need new tiles.
They will not match in color unless you replace them all or spray paint them.
The end cuts on the mains will only "go up square automatically" if your walls are perfectly square. Not usually the case. Measure an equal border on either end of the room from the wall to the center of the main runner. Make a small mark on the wall angle.Take a piece of thin string (available at HD or Lowes in the ceiling dept.) and run the length of the room. You can tie the string to a small nail (I usually use a pop rivet) and push it behind the wall angle. This will get the main straight. I can assure you the tees going to the wall will vary in length. Do the same thing with the border tees. Pull a string that direction also. Your main ends will vary also I can almost guarantee. You can trim the ends somewhat to try to square things up, but you're limited by the width of the wall angle (7/8"). It is best to pop rivet all of the main ends and every other 2' or 4' tee to the wall angle to keep them from moving so things stay square. You may get by with adjusting if the ceiling isn't too far out....
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Environmental Biotechnology (EBT)
The Environmental Biotechnology group aims at developing and improving mixed culture bioprocesses for waste treatment and product formation. For this purpose, microbial ecosystems are studied at all levels ranging from molecule to full-scale bioprocesses.
The research is based on the exploration of microbial and biochemical cycling of elements in nature. We study the organisms involved in the conversions of Sulfur, Nitrogen, Phosphate and Iron compounds. These conversions are used in the development of processes for water air and gas treatment. The process engineering focus is on biofilm and gradient systems. The microbiological focus is on the development of molecular ecology approaches for studying the ecophysiology of mixed microbial cultures. A special line of research is the development of processes for production of chemicals by mixed microbial cultures.
The Environmental Biotechnology group collaborates with the Cell Systems Engineering group (prof. Sef Heijnen) and the Bioprocess Engineering group (prof. Luuk van der Wielen). The group is strongly involved in education of BioTech Delft.
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prof.dr.ir. Geert-Jan Witkamp (professor)
prof.dr. Hans Vrouwenvelder (professor)
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dr.ir. Robbert Kleerebezem (associate professor)
dr.ir. Yuemei Lin (assistant professor)
dr.ir. David Weissbrodt (assistant professor)
prof.dr. J. Gijs Kuenen (emeritus professor)
prof.dr.ir. D. Brdanovic (endowed professor)
biofilms, biofouling, biological stability, drinking water, DNA-microarrays, environmental microbiology, functional genomics, metabolic modelling, system biology
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At an altitude of about 5576ft, Rinchenpong is the latest addition to the tourist map of West Sikkim. The place is famous for the beautiful view of the Kanchenjunga range of mountains. The Kaluk - Rinchenpong area is the buffer zone of
Apart from the natural beauty of the surroundings, the place is also quite significant from historical point of view.
Getting There
Rinchenpong is a small village next to Kaluk. To get there, you first have to reach Kaluk which is the main road junction. From here a small road goes down to Rinchenpong a couple of km ahead.
from NJP or Bagdogra, you would be coming via Melli – Jorethang – Reshi – to reach Kaluk. The distance is about 135 km.
From Darjeeling you may come via Jorethang and Reshi. But the road is mostly in bad shape, you would probably be better off by travelling through the Peshok road and Melli before reaching Jorethang and then Reshi. Through this route the distance would be about 130 km.
From Pelling you may come to Rinchinpong either via Dentam or via Legship. The Dentam route is less travelled and more beautiful, but one needs to reconfirm the status of the road as landslide is not uncommon and the road may remain closed.
From Gangtok you may either follow the Ravangla – Legship – Reshi – Rinchinpong route or the Melli – Jorethang – Reshi route. The distance is about 137 km through the second route.
Rinchenpong Sightseeing
Rinchenpong is more famous for its natural beauty rather than sightseeing points. If you want to soak in the music of the birds and views of Kanchenjunga on a clear day and enjoy some ethnic music during the evening. This is the place for you. There are a few places of tourist interest around here.
Varsey Rhododendron Sanctuary: The place is famous for the variety of Rhododendron that come in full bloom during March and April. The Sanctuary is also home for a number of wild animals including the rare Red Panda.
Nighdoh: The famous pond which has high religious significance to the Sikkimese.
Tato Pani: This is a hot water spring about 20 km from Rinchenpong
Rinchenpong Monastery : There is an exotic and beautiful statue of Lord Buddha inside the Monastery. The statue is commonly known as the Atibuddha statue. The Monastery is the 3rd oldest in Sikkim being build in 1730.
Rishum Monastery : This 18th century monastery located near Rinchenpong is at an altitude of about 6250 ft. Rishum is also a hilltop offering excellent view all around.
Shrijanga Temple: About 8 km from Rinchenpong , the Shrijanga Temple site is a common picnic spot for the locals. The Limbu tribe of Sikkim worship at this temple. A waterfall nearby adds to the beauty of the place.
The Rhododendron sanctuary near Rinchenpong also attracts a number of tourists especially during the summer month of April when the flowers are in full bloom.
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Longitude - E 88° 16'
Elevation - 5576 ft
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Jim Sturgess, the British-born star of the new romance One Day, which opened yesterday, tried to reassure me that the genre still has meaning for his generation. (He's 30.) "Everybody has their own story of falling in love, or out of love, or being irresponsible with someone else's feelings of love toward you," he said Wednesday on the phone from New York. Charming and self-deprecating, Sturgess was about to board a plane to Los Angeles, to stay for just 24 hours before flying home to London, where his brother is getting married – rather inconveniently for Sturgess's press tour – today.
One Day, based on the bestselling English novel by David Nicholls, tells the story of Emma and Dexter – a feisty Yorkshire girl (Anne Hathaway) and a posh, overprivileged smoothie (Sturgess) – who meet on the day of their graduation from the University of Edinburgh and carry on a will-they-or-won't-they relationship for 20 years. The hook is, we catch up with the characters for only one day a year, so we're continually figuring out where they are in their lives apart and together.
"The fact that everyone's so engrossed in this book and this story proves that romance isn't dead," Sturgess continued. "People really want these two to get together. It's frustrating to see them miss all these opportunities. I think there are plenty of people who are romantic."
There's just one little thing: Sturgess isn't one of them. "I'm crap at romance," he said, chortling. "I've never even been on a date. My girlfriend [the musician Mickey O'Brien]and I met in a pub and got drunk, and we've been together ever since. That was eight years ago. She's sitting in the car next to me now, laughing."
My point exactly: How do you sell a love story – be it a romantic comedy, where the lovers end up together; or a romantic drama, where the love ends – to the hookup generation? Romantic comedies are scrambling to do it by mixing cynicism into the fizziness. Recent examples – What if the protagonists vow not to fall in love ( Friends with Benefits, No Strings Attached)? What if the love-denying hero who's helping a loser to land chicks falls in love himself ( Hitch and Crazy, Stupid, Love)? What if a baby gets in the way ( The Switch, The Back-Up Plan, Life as We Know It)? – have met with mixed success.
Romantic dramas, the sweeping, time-defying, three-hankie sagas in whose company One Day aims to be, are struggling even harder. Romances for the ages, including Casablanca, Gone With the Wind, The Way We Were, Out of Africa, The English Patient and Titanic, have in common two things that are hard to find in our age of Skype and cyberstalking.
First, all are set against grand backdrops of war, crisis or social upheaval, which give the problems of two little people a poignant context in this crazy world. We've become way too narcissistic for that.
Second, these stories do not end happily. To me, a love that is cut off while it's still ideal, which fills viewers with bittersweet yearning, is much more romantic than one that carries on into the "Oh my God, the dog puked on the duvet and your mother's arriving in five minutes" everyday. But modern-day audience testing does not allow for unhappy endings. The couple must wind up together. The dog must puke. And that's a lot less stirring to watch.
There's another component to the difficultly these days of making romances, but it's one to which Hollywood doesn't like to cop: Because these pictures are currently perceived as "women's films," it can be hard to find a credible male romantic lead, as a lot of actors (and/or their agents) don't want their image "weakened" by being in such movies. Also, in most romances, the woman is cast first and the man must audition with her, and some actors aren't game for that. But Sturgess willingly flew to LA – "It would be impossible to cast those two people without having seen them together in a room," he said – and was full of praise for how "encouraging and engaging" Hathaway was in his reading.
During the rehearsal period, they burned each other mix CDs. (Sturgess is a musician as well as an actor; in fact, he resembles a cuter Paul McCartney.) He gave her "all these northern British bands," the Stone Roses, the Charlatans, Oasis; she tried to get him into Patti Smith, "which didn't quite work."
When the cameras rolled, "Every day was like shooting a new film," he said. "You're in a new year, a different stage in your life, a new situation, with a new hairstyle." And in one scene, a new baby. "That baby hated me," Sturgess said, laughing. "They'd put it in my arms, and it would remember that it hated me, and just scream. That was probably one of the worst days – of the film, and of my life."
Regardless of how well One Day does at the box office, it's sure to boost Sturgess's visibility. He's made "a few films that I've been proud of, but found it hard to reach a more mainstream audience," including Fifty Dead Men Walking, the Canadian co-production directed by Kari Skoglund, and The Way Back, directed by Peter Weir. His two biggest successes so far, the gambling drama 21, in which he played an American student at MIT, and the musical Across the Universe, where he played lovelorn singer Jude, have made him a bit of a heartthrob in the United States, but haven't had much impact on Sturgess's side of the Atlantic.
"I have a normal, regular life in London," he said. "People in England have never even heard of Across the Universe. The distribution was a bit crazy. I think the studio gave up on it; they didn't have the belief that Julie [Taymore, the director]had. They thought, 'The English are so protective of the Beatles, they're not gonna buy into this.' " He laughed. "And yeah, very early on in the film, when you have an American cheerleader singing a Beatles song on an American football court, I'm sure a lot of people switched off right there." ("Football court" – aww.)
The comment Sturgess hears most often is, he said, " 'You look like that American actor from 21.' I say, 'Oh really, who's that?' And they can never remember his name." He snorted. "That's how famous I am – I look a little bit like the guy they can't remember the name of."
Sturgess also joked that, because his Dexter has to be "mean and obnoxious" to sweet Emma for so long, One Day "could be where women turn against me for good. I may have ruined everything." So, not unlike Hollywood, he's hedging his bets. In his next love story – Upside Down, co-starring Kirsten Dunst, and due out next year – he doesn't just search for love through time; he searches through an entire alternate universe. Here's hoping that one still believes in romance.Report Typo/Error
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