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Hi Stata-listers,
I am working on a project where I need to use survey commans to estimate the standard error correctly --- my sample uses a stratified cluster design. I created a variable called samp to indicate the analytic sample. When samp = 1, then the respondent will be included in the analysis; when samp = 0 then the respondent will not be included in the analysis.
The frequency of samp is shown below:
tab samp
samp | Freq. Percent Cum.
0 | 6,917 42.25 42.25
1 | 9,456 57.75 100.00
Total | 16,373 100.00
As you can see, there should be 9,456 in my analysis.
When I use the svy commands to estimate means for my analytic sample using the subpop command, the output reports that there are 15,548 used in the analysis. Intuitively, that cannot be correct. Does anyone know what is going on here? How can I fix this so that it reports 9,456 instead of 15,548? Thanks!
svymean var1, subpop(samp)
Note: 11 strata omitted because they contain no subpopulation members
Survey mean estimation
pweight: f1pnlwt Number of obs = 15548
Strata: strat_id Number of strata = 350
PSU: psu Number of PSUs = 729
Subpop.: samp==1 Population size = 3312561.5
Mean | Estimate Std. Err. [95% Conf. Interval] Deff
var1 | 46.72176 .2878163 46.15584 47.28768 4.473885
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As of this writing, all variants of PAX badges were still available, which include the three-day pass for $70, as well as the $35 single-day badges for Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Hotel registration through the PAX site is also open.
For PAX Prime 2012, the eager gaming public utterly gobbled and consumed every single pass almost as soon as the Penny Arcade folks served them. Seriously, they were only up for a few hours before they were all gone for good. PAX East badges historically tend to be available for longer, but even so, I wouldn't chance it.
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Chances are good that people reading this already know exactly what PAX is. But just in case you're a mole person who only just recently decided to live above-ground, the Penny Arcade Expo is a grand video game exhibition hosted by the web comic company, Penny Arcade. It's similar to showcases like the Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3), except it's open to the public. Beginning as just a game event in Seattle held annually in late summer, the show expanded in 2010 to also hold a separate annual "East" event in Boston during the spring season. Penny Arcade has also announced another expansion, PAX Australia, for early summer.


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I agree with you. Despite many best intentions, the temptation to sieze upon tangents is quite often too great to resist. Most would admit, even on posts with which they agree, many topics inappropriately manifest in L+P.
I think GD, if kept on the topic of firearms, can successfully capture the legal aspects without being quite so susceptible to irrelevant dialogue. For example, the thread on updates to Ohio CCW/castle needn't be closed or moved elsewhere, as it's unlikely to divert to peripheral election-related and party-bashing issues that tend to spawn personal attacks. Where it's a legal issue, a literal firearms tie-in to every post should suffice.
The political aspect is trickier, given the interconnectedness of issues, and heightened sensitivity and universal interest during presidential elections. As fun as amateur punditing is, I doubt any productive persuasion is occurring, so I'd be happy to see these arguments gone.
At any rate, it was at the very least clear that there was little effort being made to keep L+P on 2A related topics by the general membership. What was on-topic is probably still open to discussion in other subforums. Though disposed of in another thread, I would not think anything productive would come of an "off topic" or other catchall forum to give the political arguments or other junk back for discussion. The rest of the Internet's waiting anxiously for any and all baloney without starting a sandwich here.
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TENNESSEE HEAD COACH Buzz Peterson:
"Xavier is a good ball club, and they are well-coached. You knew they would come back on us after we jumped out to the quick lead. We made some turnovers during the stretch, but we came out in the second half and really pushed the ball. We played really well tonight. I liked the energy we had. I liked the way our guys competed; they hung in there with the game plan, fought through adversity, and executed well for us.
"It is a long season, and a lot of things can happen. I am glad our guys stuck with it, and kept working hard. I told them that you have to hang your hat on something. I think our guys did a good job with their shot selection. We did not make a lot of bad decisions on offense. I thought the fans were great, and I look forward to seeing them here again next game.
"I have thought Brandon Crump was getting tired too quickly this season. Today, he looked pretty fresh. We shortened practices this week so that may have helped. I am very excited and proud of Brandon; he got the ball in the paint, and he really took charge tonight. Overall, I was very pleased with the wings and perimeter players getting him the ball inside.
"This win gives us confidence. Now exams are over with, and classes have been over with since the 30th. Our guys have been in here watching film a lot these last few days. This is a team I want to gel, and to have tremendous team chemistry."
"I thought the pressure of the moment down the stretch overwhelmed our team. You shoot 49 percent from the field, have nine turnovers, and shoot 42 percent from the 3-point line -- you'll take that against a good SEC team. We missed some key free-throws, and in the big possessions, we could not follow through and run the plays. You have to be able to deliver under pressure.
"What is alarming is our defense, and there are no easy answers. You ask if we played hard. We didn't play hard enough. Our schedule is difficult and was not put together for us to go undefeated. You cannot blame the offense for these last two losses. We had winning numbers, offensively. We cannot defend, and we cannot get the stops we need.
"Tennessee moves the ball well. They have dangerous guys on the perimeter. C.J. Watson, Scooter McFadgon, and Chris Lofton are three good players. On the first five or six possessions, Brandon Crump was able to catch it, and then hit the 10-foot jump hook with guys on him. Crump is an older guy who has been through it, and he can deliver.
"Things are tough right now. I can say that our offense right now is better than before. Our breakdowns have cost us better shots to the point where we had to call time outs when our guys were not executing. We just have to be better on defense. In spite of all that, we had a chance to win tonight."
- Brandon Crump set a career-high with 26 points, bettering his previous best of 25 (twice) last set vs. Ole Miss 2/18/04. He made 11 field goals, which bettered his previous best of 10 against UNC Asheville (12/30/03).
- Crump registered two blocks to move into sole possession of 11th place on the career blocks list with 91. He passed Willie Burton (1980-84) who had 90. He needs 11 to tie Rob Jones' (1982-86), 112, for 10th.
- Scooter McFadgon's consecutive free-throw streak ended at 31 with a miss on his fourth free throw attempt of the game. He fell one shy of his career-best 32 set last year.
- C.J. Watson recorded three assists to move past Bert Bertlekamp (332) into ninth place on the career assists list with 333 of them. Jon Higgins is eighth with 352.
- Jemere Hendrix made his first appearance in the starting lineup this season. He replaced Andre Patterson, who had started the five previous games this season.
- Tennessee made its first six field goals, while making two 3-pointers and going 2-for-2 at the line, until Crump missed a jumper at 13:35 in the first half.
- The 36 points scored by Tennessee in the first half was a season high for the Vols (35 vs. Texas).
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Humanity faces many challenging problems in this period of human domination of planet known at the Anthropocene. These problems, including that of climate change, require efforts to find solutions in all sectors of society and that we engage in diverse and dynamic dialogue about potential solutions, including those that may lie far outside the current mainstream. However, potential solutions must be assessed with a dispassionate and rigorous treatment of risks, benefits, and costs. We should pursue solutions that are most likely to succeed on the basis of scientific validity and societal acceptance . Extravagant claims like those in Mr. Savory's TED video must be weighed against known physical realities to credibly serve society.
Rangeland management strategies appropriately emphasize conservation of previously stored soil carbon, rather than sequestration of additional carbon, based in part on the limitations previously described. Emphasis should be placed on climate change adaptation, rather than mitigation as advocated by Mr. Savory, to support the well-being of millions of human inhabitants. Mr. Savory argues that we adopt his grazing method as a simple solution to resolve a key Anthropocene contributor – the ongoing perturbation of Earth's carbon cycle. The appeal of this claim to casual observers is enhanced in that it does not require humans to face any tradeoffs. The implication is that we can continue to use fossil fuels and emit carbon into the atmosphere because application of holisitic management on the Earth's grasslands provides a 'silver bullet' that will sustainably solve the climate change problem and provide abundant livestock products as well. We would be thrilled if a simple solution such as this existed. However, it clearly does not, and it is counter-productive to believe that it does. Humanity must look beyond hope and simple solutions if it is to successfully navigate its way through the Anthropocene.
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I have a Consolidated Industries Model MBA 060 NH2R, Smart Valve is HW SV9500, control unit Model ST9141A1002, part # 406650.
I was connecting a new Filtrete 3M-50 thermostat and made the mistake of connecting the blue wire from the furnace to the B terminal instead of to the "C" terminal. The thermostat smoked a bit, so I quick ran to the panel turned off the power. After connecting it correctly, I turned on the breaker and now the furnace doesn't turn on at all. No light on the control unit, zippo. I tried connecting swapping thermostats with the one downstairs and the thermostat is undamaged.
Did I fry the control unit? Looking at the furnace wiring diagram, I don't see any other fuse or breakers that could have been blown or tripped.
After reading other posts on this forum about this furnace, it appears that this unit is a lemon and this control unit failing is quite common. The furnace is ~18 years old, so it could be time for the unit to fail. I just thought it was strange that connecting this wire incorrectly on the thermostat could fry the control unit, but I suppose it's possible.
Hopefully someone can confirm that this is possible. I found one online for $129. I may try to swap the control unit from the other furnace to confirm this is bad.
Thanks in advance for any help!
Probably burned out the transformer.
90 percent sure is your transformer, on your control board check from R to C with a volt meter
And see what you get. If 0 volt , it's your
Transformer or your line voltage coming it.
Bingo! I swapped transformers with the other furnace and it fired right up. Now where to buy a replacement? It's a Basler BE26654003. Does Home Depot carry these? Local plumbing supply? I found one online for $19 but not sure I want to wait 3-4 days without heat.
here is one from the Home Depot that will work for you. just make sure you follow the directions for which wires to use on it
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Stock bull on the farm of Padraig Doyle
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In general the cattle are finished as bulls at 15-16 months of age or as heifers of grass at 18 months of age. At housing the total fresh weight diet is composed of grass silage (50%) fodder beet (25%) rolled barley (18%) plus balancer (7%). This is fed from housing to mid-March. Buy this time average bull weight is 440 kg. These bulls are then put onto a finishing diet (fodder beet (70%) rolled barley (15%) silage (10%) and balancer (5%). By early June the feeding value of fodder beet declines and the bulls are fed an ad-lib meal diet for three-weeks. This final finishing period is on straw bedding which Padraig feels is necessary for fast growing bulls on a high energy diet. Previously bulls were sold to the Pettitts Sleeda farms Ltd. Group who pay a base price plus bonus. The bonus is given where carcases have a high yield of saleable meat (71%+) after boning. In 2002, 23 of the 26 bulls sold achieved a bonus. The average carcase weight was 349 kg. The value of the bulls was €978 (€914+€64 bonus). This gives an average value of €2.80 per kg (£1/lb) per kg carcase sold after deductions. Because of current uncertainty in beef markets, Padraig recently decided to sell his bulls to Prime Livestock Exports who exported them live to Italy for further finishing. These bulls were approximately 15 months of age and averaged €1035/head. All the best heifers are kept for breeding. Non-breeding heifers are finished off on grass in the summer and autumn. Slaughter weight for these heifers is high at an average of 525 kg. Heifers in the Sleeda group are given the bonus from 69.5% saleable meat yield upwards. The 30 heifers sold from the Doyle farm in 2002 had an average meat yield of 70.2%. This gave an average value for heifers of €730
Breeding Policy:
Padraig established his herd in the mid '90's. The herd has been based predominantly on ½ bred Limousin cows. Padraig sourced his heifers locally from dairy farms that still had a strong influence of British Friesian. As these animals are more difficult to find, he has gone down the route of ¾ bred Limousin replacements which are put in calf to one of his Limousin bulls giving calves that are 7/8 bred Limousin. Figure 1 shows the Doyle farm future breeding policy. Each year Padraig sources 6-8 ½ bred heifers from non-Holstein type dairy herds. His intention is to keep 40% of his cows ½ bred which in turn provide will 9-12 ¾ bred heifers each year which are kept on as replacements. Only heifers from the better milkers are kept because of the concern of low milk level in the first lactation.
Figure 1
In 2002 twenty ¾ bred heifers were bred to AI using maternally tested Limousin bulls Ulysses (ULE) and Epson (EPN). These bulls not only have been proven for good beef characteristics but also for their ability to produce heifers with better maternal characteristics. These traits include higher fertility, easier calving better mothering ability and higher milk yields. However, Padraig does not intend to keep them for breeding. His primary reason for using these bulls is because they are proven for calving ease. The Doyles have stayed with Limousin as their terminal sire because they feel it offers flexibility with market options. Bulls can either be killed or exported live, or they can be castrated and sold as stores. Padraig has three Limousin bulls for breeding to the herd. Replacement heifers from within the herd are crossed back to one of the other two bulls.
Congratulations from the Irish Limousin Cattle Society to Padraig and Margaret Doyle on being the overall winners of the Bord Bia/ Farmers Journal Suckler Farmer of the Year competition and many thanks for hosting the successful open day in Spring 2003
By kind permission of Padraig Doyle and Michael Fitzgerald, Teagasc Wexford.
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Nevada County Country Club hosted its annual Seniors Tournament Saturday. Members had to be at least 50 years young to compete, and flights were determined by age rather than handicap.
In the Regular Senior flight (ages 50-65) Mike Schmidt won in a tie-breaker with a net 62. Second place went to Dan Johnson, also with a net 62. Dan Triano took third (64), followed by Mark Jones (66), Dar Chehrazi (67), Bill Roach and Phil Condict (68). In the Super Seniors flight (ages 66 and up), Jorgen Jensen took the title with a net 63 in a tie-breaker over Dave Hood who finished second (63), followed by Ron Peachee (64), Jay Snyder (65), Bill Fisher (66), Rick Jacob, Elbia Hall and Elmer Stone (68), and Ken Morris and Dave Koslosky (69). In the Ladies flight, Bobbie Heard bested the field with a net 62, followed by Gloria Dalke (67), Mary Deardorff (70), Sherrie Rankin and Maggie Flecksteiner (71).
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SANTA BARBARA, Calif. - Santa Barbara could become the first major oil producing county to impose a ban on fracking.
Santa Barbara County Water Guardians -- a grassroots environmental group -- pulled up to the county registrar's office today with nine boxes of petition signatures.
More than 20,000 were collected in just three weeks in hopes of imposing a ban on fracking.
Environmentalists claim chemicals involved in fracking are associated with serious health problems, as well as air and water pollution. And they say drought conditions make the process worse.
"These forms of extraction are very water intensive," said Rebecca Claassen, the group's volunteer co-chair. "They use a lot of water and they also pose a risk to our groundwater, as far as contamination goes. Here in California this is an important issue if we want to protect our water supply for agriculture."
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Manchester City overcame the controversial sending-off of midfielder Samir Nasri to beat Norwich 4-3 in a thrilling Barclays Premier League clash at Carrow Road.
The champions, beaten at Sunderland on Boxing Day, got off to a flying start, going 2-0 up inside four minutes, Edin Dzeko scoring both. Norwich reduced the deficit through Anthony Pilkington's deflected free-kick, before Nasri was shown a red card by referee Mike Jones for putting his head into the face of Sebastien Bassong.
Sergio Aguero's neat flick made it 3-1 at the start of the second half, before Russell Martin's header reduced the margin again. Dzeko put City back in command at 4-2 after his shot cannoned off the post and in off goalkeeper Mark Bunn, only for Martin's scrambled effort to set up a grandstand finish.
However, Norwich, who beat Arsenal and Manchester United at Carrow Road during a 10-match unbeaten run, could not conjure an equaliser as they suffered a third successive League defeat.
Mancini was far from pleased as he hit out at the "incredible" decision to send off Nasri. Mancini, who is already in trouble with the Football Association for comments after the Sunderland game, that the referee Kevin Friend had "ate too much for Christmas" , said City will appeal against what is set to be a three-match ban.
Just before the break Bassong upended Nasri on the far touchline. The players squared up with Nasri pushing his head into the Norwich defender's face, which on consultation with the assistant referee resulted in a red card for the France midfielder, and a caution for Bassong. Mancini said: "Both players came forward with their heads, so if you are going to send off one, then you have to send off both, not only Samir.Samir said he touched his head, okay, but the other player has done the same. I am disappointed with Samir, and he will pay his fine, but the decision was not correct.
"Samir did a mistake, okay, but why when the other player did the same thing, does he send off only one? There are two rules for different teams, and I hate this in football and cannot accept this. In life, there is only one rule for everyone. This season, I have seen things which are not good."
City were ahead inside two minutes. A long ball down the left was worked back inside by Aguero and David Silva for an unmarked Dzeko to sweep home from six yards. City swiftly doubled their lead.
Play was allowed to continue after a crunching tackle from Vincent Kompany on Bradley Johnson. Aguero was away again, darting into the right side of the Norwich penalty area before drawing the goalkeeper and then cutting the ball back to present Dzeko with another tap-in.
There was some brief respite after 13 minutes when Kompany tripped Robert Snodgrass just outside the Manchester City penalty area. The Scotland midfielder shaped to take the free-kick, but ran over the ball, as Pilkington drove in a low shot which deflected off Gaël Clichy and past Joe Hart.
City remained a threat, as Yaya Touré flashed a 20-yard drive just wide following more patient build-up and were back on the offensive following the restart and restored their two-goal lead after 50 minutes. Touré delivered a perfectly-weighted angled ball which Bassong could not cut out and it dropped into the path of Aguero. The Argentine produced an exquisite chip to beat the advancing goalkeeper.
The home side, who had lost Steve Morison with what appeared to be a thigh problem, continued to fight their way back into the game, as a low shot from substitute Jonny Howson's was touched wide by Hart.From the resulting short-corner, it was 3-2 when Bassong's header back across the six-yard box from Snodgrass' clever centre was guided into the top right corner by Martin after 63 minutes.
However, City quickly restored their advantage as the broke away down the right. Dzeko sprung the offside trap to burst into the Norwich penalty area to beat Bunn at the near post, the ball bouncing off the woodwork, then the goalkeeper's back and into the net.
A quite amazing match sparked into life once more with 15 minutes left when another Norwich corner caused panic in the City six-yard box as Hart could only half punch clear before Martin swept the ball in again. Mancini looked to shore things up when he replaced Dzeko with defender Joleon Lescott. Bunn made a brilliant one-handed save from Aguero at point-blank range but despite five minutes of stoppage time, there was to be no more drama.
"You cant be 2-0 down so early on and expect to have a good day," said Norwich manager Chris Hughton. "However, we displayed great character and certainly at 4-3 it seemed it might be going our way, but again they showed real good quality."
Norwich (4-5-1): Bunn; R Martin, Bassong, Turner, Garrido; Pilkington, Johnson, Tettey (Howsen, 57), Snodgrass, Hoolahan (Jackson, 74); Morison (Kane 45)
Manchester City (4-5-1): Hart: Kompany, Zabaleta, Nastasic, Clichy: Y Touré, Barry, Aguero (Garcia, 90), Silva (MIlner, 56), Nasri; Dzeko (Lescott, 81)
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See: The Role of State Attorneys General in Improving End-of-Life Healthcare: Holding Hospitals and Nursing Homes Accountable for Undertreatment of Pain by Leah Heifetz
The literature of the health care profession has documented a serious problem regarding the undertreatment of pain and the failure to effectively address suffering in the clinical environment. The two most serious barriers to solving this problem are a lack of education among healthcare providers about palliative care and a fear that prescribing controlled substances, even when they are the only way to relieve a patient's pain, will result in regulatory and legal consequences. In the past several years, state attorneys general have become increasingly aware of the problem and willing to use their offices to improve the quality of end-of-life care in their states.
In 2002, more state attorneys general became further involved in palliative care policy when the National Association of Attorneys General (NAAG) launched the End-of-Life Healthcare Project. The NAAG End-of-Life Healthcare Project has provided an invaluable resource for attorneys general working to improve palliative care for their constituents.
State legislatures have an important role to play in improving palliative care education, and New York's recent passage of the Palliative Care Education and Training Act is an important first step.
Overcoming physicians' fear of legal repercussions is not presently possible since state attorneys general do not have the power to override the DEA's authority to investigate "merely on suspicion that the law is being violated, or even just because it wants assurances that it is not" (Interim Policy Statement). On March 21, 2005, 32 attorneys general signed an official comment, which, in part, asked the DEA to focus on factors that differentiate criminal drug activity from legitimate medical practice in its investigations. With its final policy statement, the DEA refused to comply with this petition. However, repeated petitions on the part of attorneys general are anticipated in the near future.
National Association of Attorneys General (NAAG) End-of-Life Healthcare Project: Initiated in 2002 by Oklahoma Attorney General Drew Edmondson, who chaired NAAG that year. The project identified three areas in which attorneys general could make a difference in their states: pain management, recognition of the wishes of people at the end of their lives, and ensuring quality end-of-life healthcare. A report was issued in 2003 with the goal of educating attorneys general about the issue.
DEA FAQ on Pain Treatment (released and subsequently withdrawn Oct. 6, 2004)
Dispensing of Controlled Substances for the Treatment of Pain, 69 Fed. Reg. 67 (2004) (Interim Policy Statement)
Dispensing Controlled Substances for the Treatment of Pain, on September 6, 2006, 71 Fed. Reg. 172 (2006) (Final Policy Statement)
The DEA released a set of guidelines regarding the dispensation of pain medication which has been twice revised, yet still suffers from failing to clearly differentiate between criminal activity and legitimate medical practice.
National Pain Care Policy Act 2003: This piece of legislation is a response to the Decade of Pain Research declared by Congress, which began January 1, 2001. The goal of the bill is the too-long-awaited federal recognition of pain as a critical health care crisis in the United States.
Palliative Care Education and Training Act (codified as amendment to New York Public Health Law § 63-f at § 2807-n) (2007): The act provides significant funding for training physicians in pain management and allows for the development of a New York State Palliative Care and Education Council, the establishment of Department of Health-designed Centers for Palliative Care Excellence, and the formation of Department of Health-certified palliative care practitioner resource centers. PEAT is used to evaluate how much grant funding each center will be allotted.
New York Academy of Medicine PEAT (Palliative Education Assessment Tool): An instrument by which medical schools can assess their curricula with regard to content on end-of-life care in order to plan and implement measures to improve medical education across domains including palliative medicine, pain, neuropsychologic symptoms, ethics and the law, and patient/family/caregiver/nonclinical perspectives on end-of-life-care.
Montana Ruling Bolsters Doctor-Assisted Suicide (December 31, 2009)
In a 4-3 decision, the Montana Supreme Court has ruled that physicians who help terminally ill patients die are protected from prosecution. However, the Court did not comment on whether physician-assisted suicide is a right guaranteed by the Montana state constitution.
Why This Wisconsin City Is the Best Place to Die (November 16, 2009)
La Crosse, Wisconsin has established a system of end-of-life care that has resulted in the highest rate of adults with completed advance directives in the country, as well as drastically lowered costs within the last years of patients' lives. These advance end-of-life consultations, which are not covered by Medicare, have been promoted by the organization Respecting Choices, founded by medical ethicist Bud Hammes.
For the Elderly, Being Heard About Life's End (May 5, 2008)
"Slow medicine" is a healthcare approach, grounded in research at the Dartmouth Medical School, that encourages less aggressive — and less costly — care at the end of life. Slow medicine encourages physicians to put on the brakes when considering care that may have high risks and limited rewards for the elderly, and it educates patients and families how to push back against emergency room trips and hospitalizations designed for those with treatable illnesses.
Researchers Find Huge Variations in End-of-Life Treatment (April 7, 2008)
New research shows huge, unexplained variations in the amount, intensity and cost of care provided to Medicare patients with chronic illnesses at the nation's top academic medical centers (the last two years of life ranges from an average of $93,842 for patients who receive most of their care at U.C.L.A. Medical Center to $53,432 at the Mayo Clinic's main teaching hospital in Rochester, Minn.), raising the possibility that the government could save large amounts of money.
5 documents that can help you, your family with medical decisions (November 27, 2007)
Arizona's Life Care Planning Packet, includes five documents that deal with often-vexing topics such as artificial life support, resuscitation and care if you become incapacitated.
Trafficker or Healer? And Who's the Victim? (March 27, 2007)
Article provides details on the case of the United States v. William Eliot Hurwitz, and a brief history of the arc of prosecution that has recently been leveled against doctors. It portrays a battle over who sets the rules for treating patients who are in pain: narcotics agents and prosecutors, or doctors and scientists.
National AG association installs Edmondson as president (June 27, 2002)
Oklahoma Attorney General Drew Edmondson uses his inaugural address as president of NAAG to address the importance of end-of-life-care.


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BIRMINGHAM, Ala.--The UAB men's soccer team will play in its final match of the regular season on Wednesday when it travels to Memphis, Tenn., to take on the Memphis Tigers. Kickoff is set for 7 p.m. CT at the Mike Rose Soccer Complex.
Last week, UAB (9-5-2, 4-3-0 C-USA) defeated UCF in a high-scoring showdown in Orlando, Fla. In the 4-3 victory, freshman Karl Chesterscored a pair of goals late in the game to ensure a spot for the squad in the Blazer-hosted 2012 Conference USA Men's Soccer Championship at Regions Park in Hoover, Ala., Nov. 7-11.
Men's Soccer Tops Memphis, 1-0, On Late Penalty Kick
UAB senior forward Babayele Sodade scored on a penalty kick at the 89:32 mark to lead UAB to a dramatic 1-0 victory Memphis in Conference USA action Wednesday night. The contest was played at Regions Park in Hoover, Ala., which marked the first-ever soccer match played at the venue.
Last Saturday, the Tigers and Florida International battled to a 1-1 tie to go into overtime, and scored a goal with seconds to go to win 2-1. Sophomore Benjamin Closanski scored both Memphis goals.
Junior Mark Sherrod leads Memphis with nine goals and four assists for 22 points on the season, while junior Liam Collins holds a team-high seven assists.
In 2011, UAB defeated Memphis 1-0, courtesy of a penalty kick in the 90th minute of the match.


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Reginald in Russia and Other Stories HTML version
Reginald In Russia
Reginald sat in a corner of the Princess's salon and tried to forgive the furniture, which
started out with an obvious intention of being Louis Quinze, but relapsed at frequent
intervals into Wilhelm II.
He classified the Princess with that distinct type of woman that looks as if it habitually
went out to feed hens in the rain.
Her name was Olga; she kept what she hoped and believed to be a fox- terrier, and
professed what she thought were Socialist opinions. It is not necessary to be called Olga
if you are a Russian Princess; in fact, Reginald knew quite a number who were called
Vera; but the fox-terrier and the Socialism are essential.
"The Countess Lomshen keeps a bull-dog," said the Princess suddenly. "In England is it
more chic to have a bull-dog than a fox-terrier?"
Reginald threw his mind back over the canine fashions of the last ten years and gave an
evasive answer.
"Do you think her handsome, the Countess Lomshen?" asked the Princess.
Reginald thought the Countess's complexion suggested an exclusive diet of macaroons
and pale sherry. He said so.
"But that cannot be possible," said the Princess triumphantly; "I've seen her eating fish-
soup at Donon's."
The Princess always defended a friend's complexion if it was really bad. With her, as
with a great many of her sex, charity began at homeliness and did not generally progress
much farther.
Reginald withdrew his macaroon and sherry theory, and became interested in a case of
"That?" said the Princess; "that is the old Princess Lorikoff. She lived in Millionaya
Street, near the Winter Palace, and was one of the Court ladies of the old Russian school.
Her knowledge of people and events was extremely limited; but she used to patronise
every one who came in contact with her. There was a story that when she died and left
the Millionaya for Heaven she addressed St. Peter in her formal staccato French: 'Je suis
la Princesse Lor-i-koff. Il me donne grand plaisir a faire votre connaissance. Je vous en
prie me presenter au Bon Dieu.' St. Peter made the desired introduction, and the Princess
addressed le Bon Dieu: 'Je suis la Princesse Lor- i-koff. Il me donne grand plaisir a faire
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i'm frugal (andrew)
In order for you to fully understand the events that transpired on the evening of July 7, 2011, in Los Angeles, you're going to need some back story.
Last summer at a restaurant, Greg, who had never liked his original nickname "Griffin", without warning declared, "from now on, you will call me The Big Prawn." (Popular variations have been simply "Big Prawn" and also "Master Prawn"). In the year that followed, Greg continued to prove himself a master of naming things, from Darwin's pedal case ("The Calzone") to our most recent Brazil/California tour leg ("The Last Supper").
Exhibit B: on occasion, our band would have some downtime between shows, anywhere from three days to a full week. During these times, Greg would often make a trip to the grocery store, returning to our temp-apartment with three of the most budget-yet-healthy food group basics: uncooked lentils, uncooked brown rice, and a big head of cabbage. Prepared with little embellishment, besides occasional seasoning from squirreled away fast food salt and pepper packets, Greg would boil his rice and boil his lentils and saute his cabbage, spending as little money as possible until the next haven of free backstage food.
Exhibit C: during February, I tried my hand at rap battling Darwin during the City Remix. Although my execution was lukewarm, at best, I wrote a few good lines. Between our band, my most popular line was "Big Prawn, get frugal with the cabbage", the final line of my verse. This was, of course, a reference to Greg's cooking habits and his general spendthrift approach to money.
As the months of tour progressed onward and inside jokes mutated into even less accessible inside jokes, this rap line received many treatments. Members would frequently and spontaneously sing, "Can we get more frugal?" (A parody of Kanye West's line "Can we get much higher?"). Another favorite was "Prawn, frugal, cabbage. Cabbage, frugal, frugal…" (A parody of the YouTube video "Big Booty Bitches"). Also popular was repeatedly rapping the phrase, "Big Prawn gettin' frugal with it, DAH." (dah = breath punctuation sound)
More recently, Darwin began imagining in the van, "what if we were able to get 'frugal' to catch on? Like as a slang word… what if you started hearing people say things like, 'hey man, did you hear the new Chris Brown joint? That shit is frugal!' Darwin continued, "what if people found out about Big Prawn and cabbages, and they started showing up at our concerts with cabbages?" As we would drive along, Darwin would riff about all the funny ways he could hype the cabbage holders in the crowd. "What if we bought a bunch of cabbages and passed them out?" one of us suggested. We paused for a moment, and then unanimously agreed, "People would throw them at us. We couldn't do it."
Which is why I was surprised when Darwin and Greg showed up at the Echo with a grocery bag of green cabbage heads. "We're going for it," they announced.
Soon it was time to start our entrance music (accomplished by pushing the first button on Darwin's foot pedal), which is currently the theme from Star Trek. "Start the music, but don't leave the stage," Darwin instructed me. "Take your position on the right, extend your hand, and hold up the cabbage. We'll join you when it's time." I did as I was told. I stood there, staring into the blackness of the Echo, staring into that familiarly nebulous region of the room where you can see the tops of people's heads, mostly darkness, perhaps an exit sign in the back. I almost broke into laughter onstage. A few days later, I'm happy to discover that this moment was captured and posted by two different YouTube clips.
Mid-set, Darwin distributed the cabbage (smartly selecting girls who looked least likely to throw the heavy heads back at us). We played a little bit more, and then Darwin broke out the same riffage that we had entertained ourselves with in the van. "All you ladies in the house," he hyped, "if you've got your OWN cabbage, and you don't need NO MAN, raise your cabbage in the air and say I'M FRUGAL!"
It was a lot of fun. I especially liked it because LA is another one of those shows where there's this undercurrent of band awareness telling you: "this is a big one. Important music industry people and press people are here. You've got to nail it tonight." At some of our shows (Glastonbury, for example), I think we've psyched ourselves out with that pressure, but this time in Los Angeles, we just had fun and did an over-the-top silly show using one of our favorite long-time inside jokes. The concert received two reviews, and both mentioned the cabbage, and, miraculously enough, both reviews were POSITIVE!


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I wanted to share my back-to-back experiences after being invited to two conversations by my Son on FaceBook. Almost the same attacks were used against Mitt Romeny, and almost the exact same information was used in my response. Yet, you had two different outcomes. The youngsters in the first example unfriended my son. The person in the second example admitted to hearing new information/positions he had not previously thought of, and as a result he said he will step-back and re-evaluate his own positions. Mind-you, he did not acquiesce fully, and I do not expect anyone to immediately change a long held belief about a position. All I can expect is that when new information is presented, these previously held positions are re-examined… and often times as one aligns oneself to new ideas that are true or closer to truth, they will overtime reject these previously held positions via reflection and introducing new ideals to one's viewpoint. This is not how people work — immediate changes of thinking — even when accepting the free gift offered by God we still go through a maturing process and evolution of thought, as B.B. Warfield so aptly points out:
We are assured, indeed, that the leaven of truth, thus brought into the world and applied by the Spirit in a long process, shall in the end leaven the whole lump. Meanwhile, what is presented to observation is a conflict between the true and the false. This conflict goes on in each individual's mind and heart. The Spirit of God does not at once so purify the hearts of those whom he visits that they may come to the knowledge of the truth, that they at once embrace the whole truth in perfect Comprehension, and live by it in perfect obedience. Their minds remain for long in partial darkness; their hearts only slowly acquire the powers of the new life brought to them. They need to cry over and over again, "0 wretched men that we are, who shall deliver us from the body of this death?" What has been implanted in them, however, is life, and it grows onward to the end appointed to it. As in the individual, so in the race the progress to the goal is slow, though sure. Little parties of those to whom the new life has come, spring up here, there, elsewhere. They see the truth more or less purely, and hold it more or less firmly, and cast it with more or less confidence into the caldron of the world's seething thought, that it may join issue with falsehood, and in the end conquer. So we perceive a new humanity rising in the world, and by faith may see the day looming on the horizon when the whole world shall live in the full enjoyment of the true religion, practising in its completeness the true morality, which have been restored to man by God his Savior. Over this whole process, of course, God is presiding.
Below I will recreate both conversations and may even add to it as the second continues… if it goes in a congenial manner. This first conversation is the one that went sour (the graphics are enlargeable just a bit if you click them):
I was recently — today in fact, called by extension to a posting of one of my blog-posts, a "racist" and "homophobic." So I wanted to know why and politely explained my thinking on the matter. Here is the first set of responses after my son linked to my blog:
So this is my response to the above:
(Papa Giorgio here… I will always put "(PG)" do designate my post.)
I just wanted to point out how easy it is for people to label (what is called S.I.X.H.I.R.B. ~ sexist, intolerant, xenophobic, homophobic, Islamophobic, racist, and bigoted), rather that engage in dialogue. A really good documentary made on this in academia is uploaded on my MRCTV account.
However, I do wish to ask you thoughtfully read my post and tell me your thoughts. Okay, so are you aware that monogamous/long-term homosexual couples would consider same-sex marriage a travesty for America. They stand either institution it, or want to be done on the state level, like almost every conservative I know. For instance, just today Well-known gay actor, Rupert Everett ("My Best Friend's Wedding" and "Shakespeare in Love"), says he "can't think of anything worse than being brought up by two gay dads." Is his opinion racist? Homophobic?
Or another pro-choice/lesbian (and one of my favorite authors/columnists), Tammy Bruce is against same-sex marriage being rammed down our throats by the judiciary. She would agree with well respected gay sociologist and scholar, Paul Nathanson, who says this:
[Paul Nathanson] writes that there are at least five functions that marriage serves–things that every culture must do in order to survive and thrive. They are:
- Foster the bonding between men and women
- Foster the birth and rearing of children
- Foster the bonding between men and children
- Foster some form of healthy masculine identity
- Foster the transformation of adolescents into sexually responsible adults
Note that Nathanson considers these points critical to the continued survival of any culture. He continues "Because heterosexuality is directly related to both reproduction and survival, … every human societ[y] has had to promote it actively . … Heterosexuality is always fostered by a cultural norm" that limits marriage to unions of men and women. He adds that people "are wrong in assuming that any society can do without it." Going further he stated that "same sex marriage is a bad idea" …[he] only opposed "gay marriage, not gay relationships."
The above are marking — a pink triangle — that was given to homosexuals put into concentration camps. You see, when God is removed as the "Life giver" ~ the Founder of our human worth (as our Declaration posits) ~ then human worth is relegated to societal definition. Hitler stated as much in his book, this is what conservative homosexuals understand:
"The stronger must dominate and not mate with the weaker, which would signify the sacrifice of its own higher nature. Only the born weakling can look upon this principle as cruel, and if he does so it is merely because he is of a feebler nature and narrower mind; for if such a law [natural selection] did not direct the process of evolution then the higher development of organic life would not be conceivable at all…. If Nature does not wish that weaker individuals should mate with the stronger, she wishes even less that a superior race should intermingle with an inferior one; because in such a case all her efforts, throughout hundreds of thousands of years, to establish an evolutionary higher stage of being, may thus be rendered futile."
(Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, translator/annotator, James Murphy [New York: Hurst and Blackett, 1942], pp. 161-162.)
By definition homosexuals cannot "mate." So these "special rights" are shown to be just that, not equal, with a simple question:
"If homosexuality is really genetic, we may soon be able to tell if a fetus is predisposed to homosexuality, in which case many parents might choose to abort it. Will gay rights activists continue to support abortion rights if this occurs?"
(Dale A. Berryhill, The Assault: Liberalism's Attack on Religion, Freedom, and Democracy)
Again, Tammy Bruce understands that rights do not come from government, but from something Bigger, and government only protects these rights. If government produces rights, then it can take them away. She says:
★ Even if one does not necessarily accept the institutional structure of "organized religion," the "Judeo-Christian ethic and the personal standards it encourages do not impinge on the quality of life, but enhance it. They also give one a basic moral template that is not relative," which is why the legal positivists of the Left are so threatened by the Natural Law aspect of the Judeo-Christian ethic. (Tammy Bruce, The Death of Right and Wrong: Exposing the Left's Assault on Our Culture and Values, 35.)
Why would she posit such a thing. She is a student of history, that is one reason. For instance, people think fascism lived in Germany… it did not. It did however live in Italy, and Mussolini wrote what fascism was/is:
★ "Everything I have said and done in these last years is relativism by intuition…. If relativism signifies contempt for fixed categories and men who claim to be bearers of an objective, immortal truth… then there is nothing more relativistic than fascistic attitudes and activity…. From the fact that all ideologies are of equal value, that all ideologies are mere fictions, the modern relativist infers that everybody has the right to create for himself his own ideology and to attempt to enforce it with all the energy of which he is capable." (Mussolini, Diuturna pp. 374-77, quoted in A Refutation of Moral Relativism: Interviews with an Absolutist, by Peter Kreeft, p. 18.)
Some sort of ethic is needed to counter relativism, otherwise it is very easy for government to usurp rights that theism (the ethos that founded our countries documents). Here Hitler makes the point that "I freed Germany from the stupid and degrading fallacies of conscience and morality…. We will train young people before whom the world will tremble. I want young people capable of violence — imperious, relentless and cruel" (Hitler, hung on the wall at Auschwitz; Ravi Zacharias, Can Man Live Without God, p. 23). So this is known well to many homosexuals… because as the government gets bigger, people's rights get smaller.
I am curious, have you ever heard of gay people who stand against same-sex marriage? If not, the next question is, why not? Do you insulate your thinking/opinions to like minded people, books, and the like? Have you gone out of your way to ask yourself, "I believe "a" — a lot! Have I ever gone out and found a cogent, well-thought out book or person to discuss these deeper thoughts with… or should I just label them?" Granted, the latter is easier, but the former is worth it, even if the travel is a couple of years.
Take note as well that not only would the label "racist" and "homophobic" apply to a large portion of the gay community, but this type of tolerant thinking that infects the left would also apply to Buddha, Muhammad, Zoroaster, Confucius, Moses, Jesus, Plato, Socrates (i.e. the major religious founders and great secular and moral thinkers throughout time) are all wrong and bigoted. Only this generation is benighted to rise above the rest in a meta-narrative and judge absolutely the rest of history and their fellow compatriots. Just an after-thought.
These are the follow-up comments. Facts, reason, and humor got the best of them and they unfriended my son. Without an apology to me, or realizing that great dialogue/conversation could have taken place. What did happen however, is ingrained thinking that prefers "mini-me's" surrounding themselves (with themselves) instead of being open-minded and tolerant. Here is the last posts:
(An "unfriend" soon followed that last posting.) Now, in the second conversation a young man intimated that Romney was a bigot. Not as harsh a use of language as "racist," but, still part of the S.I.X.H.I.R.B. ~ sexist, intolerant, xenophobic, homophobic, Islamophobic, racist, and bigoted ~ that Dennis Prager so rightly talks about. Now, I used the above main response after Connor posted the following, with additional thoughts on his particular points. Which are that he is writing in on his ballot in November — Ron Paul — undermines his claim. Here is part of Connors post:
[T]he point being argued, is that I said [R]omney is a bigot. the retort was an example of the bigotry of other people, irrelevant to the topic, and a very good documentary about academia (which [I] agree with, mostly). [I] see [R]omney as a bigot because he opposes a woman's right to choose, he opposes gay marriage, he wants to blend church and state, and he has stated that he is not concerned with the poor….
To which I responded with a translation, trying to stay on one topic rather than the many that followed his above except:
Translation for those that need it. Connor basically just called a majority of women (a higher percentage polled are pro-life than not — this number is growing by-the-way) and homosexuals (as well as every major religious founder and moral thinker) bigoted. This is the modern progressive thinking. If someone disagrees with your point, paint them as one of the SIXHIRBs… why debate the issues.
In other words… to belabor the point… calling more than half of the women in America, and about a third of the homosexual population, and every founder of the worlds great religions and moral as well as secular thinkers bigots… is a form … of… bigotry. You do not even have to be religious (for instance) to be pro-life (or against same-sex marriage):
If [to quote Connor] "opposing a women's right to choose" makes one a bigot, then writing in Ron Paul's name makes one a bigot as well. Why? Because Romney and Ron Paul have the same view of the issue. That is, returning the choice of the matter to the states.
I see many inconsistencies in these positions with the youth of today, and I wish they would look to some better argued positions that do not violate the laws of reason/logic — e.g., are internally self-consistent instead of self-deleting. Decisions based in our long history of of legal and moral thinking, etc., etc. I realize that Connor and the audience here is young and has some time to mature in their voting and thinking. But for God-Sakes, do not go around calling people names… because if Romney's a bigot, then I am being called a bigot, my son is, as are others here (or their parents or family/friends, so is over half of America, as well as people who write in Ron Paul's name. There is no way faster to lose friends and/or respect than by calling people names.
And much to the young man's credit he responded thusly, and I will clarify a bit for him offering sincerity in my benefit of doubt:
Although I do not agree [on all your points], I retract my statement that Romney is a bigot. I feel very differently on these moral issues, but I will avoid sixhirb-ing in the future, thank you for pointing it out. Good video, but this issue hits too close to home for me to continue this discussion.
Id like to have more conversations with you in the future, it's not often someone makes me rethink my entire approach to a topic. Caught me a bit off guard, because I usually talk circles around people. I've been hearing so much idiocy from people with opposing view points, that I've lost a bit of my receptiveness. Paul still has my vote, but thanks for opening my mind a bit more.
WOW! I was floored. This simple response showed a level of maturity I was getting use to not seeing in the younger generation. Here is my response to Connor:
Connor, you are a good man. You are head-and-shoulder above many! I do not say that because you complimented me, rather, I say it because in the face of a public dialogue you showed some humility when new evidence was presented. Kudos.
I would love to talk with you on any subject you wish in the future. I am always up for a cup-of-Joe at Starbucks (on me) or messaging me is fine as well. I did write a book that I would recommend reading the first chapter of when you get an urge to read something. I explain some crucial thinking that many do not learn about anymore.
The first chapter is entitled, "Introduction – Technology Junkies." You should note that this years platform for the GOP has been called the most libertarian in decades, and many libertarians have switched over or back to being Republicans. One example is the Libertarian Party's Veeep choice from 2008, Wayne Allyn Root. If you want, I can upload his interview by Michael Medved about this switch back before November for you.
Also, a site, two actually, that I will recommend for you. One is Libertarian Republican. The blogger/owner was Ron Paul's top aid for a decade:
★ http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/
And another site is by a conservative homosexual, a great guy, called The Gay Patriot:
To his credit, he has already read my chapter. And although this is my busy season, I hope to share some coffee and conversation with this young man.
Changing Subjects a Bit In the Same Strain of Conversation
Continuing on in conversation with another gentleman in regards to the Ron Paul issue, Brett stepped into the end of the conversation and said this:
- staying out of this one, go ron paul (waves flag)
To which I responded in my Religio-Political fashion:
@Brett How could you wave a flag for a guy [Ron Paul] who sent his voters to vote for a pro-Marxist/pro-Gaddafi candidate? Just a question. You are waving a flag in your statement but how can you reconcile your apparent patriotism, love of country and its ideals, with someone [Ron Paul] who sends his voters to Cynthia McKinney who hates everything about other races, this country, and would rather see Marxist ideals over our Founding ideals?
@Reader — a side-note. In my many discussions over time I have noticed something, which is this, people do not realize what someone stands for in total. They like one item, example, Ron Paul wanting to legalize marijuana. What he really wants to do is return this policing power to the states. He [RP] cannot by fiat make it so… but Ron Paul has a long history of making his politics known and there is a lot that would make any liberal young man cringe.
Another example is that often times people do not understand what one position stands for in total. So, a great example of this are people rioting in the streets of Greece, or the occupiers and their violence in our streets… many saying they are "anarchists," but being violent for socialized health care, more benefits from the government so they [like in Greece] can continue to retire and collect benefits from the government at 55-years old, or more government control of private financial institutions, etc. etc. (A-minute-and-a-half)
What people need to do is really look inward and see if they are being consistent with what they profess. So when I took a philosophy class at COC — as a real life example — and the very first day the professor of philosophy wrote on the eraser board "There are no absolute truths," I merely rose my hand and asked, "is that an absolute statement, if so, is it true?" She had a masters degree in poli-sci, and a masters in philosophy, and yet still showed that her particular take on things couldn't stand its own test.
Whether in religious views or political, one needs to UNDERSTAND (caps for *emphasis*) what they are saying. People like buffet religion and politics and often conflate opposing ideas/ideals to make themselves feel good. Which is understandable… we are human and fail even meeting our own goals and ideals in life, let alone others. But this human frailty shouldn't stop us from learning to know what WE believe, and to see if IT is able to stand on its own two feet.
This goes for my fellow Christians as well. You should be 1 Peter 3:15 believers ("…always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you…"), and not in a "Blue Like Jazz" mindset.
"He who has ears to hear, let him hear."
Take note that Brett's response is low on substance and high in ad hominem attacks, name calling, non-sequiturs, and the like. Not only this, but many people will talk differently on line than they would with meeting a stranger, say, in a check-out line at a store, or in a bar… it is as if politeness and reasonable thinking is "checked" at the keyboard. Its the split-personality of the 21st century:
you have your views on his policy's and i have mine – obviously they conflict; in parting, this is what's going to happen – Romney is going to lose because he's too far right wing and no Mormon has ever been president, Obama will win again and then everyone will complain for about 3 months afterwards and say they're moving to Canada which is a crock of shit because no one ever does. Then people will forget about Romney and move on and just wait it out as the country slips further down the shitter. What should have happen is Collin Pall should have ran but he didn't want – this election is all wrong – people are too vested in themselves and not the greater good of the country and are looking too much into what they can get out of their candidate; i.e. legalize marijuana, abortion, gay rights, and health care – while that shouldn't be the focus of the election at all. it should be the current economic status of america – which isn't really getting better and the fed is just printing money and creating inflation that is screwing us down to nothing. but our media is too good at distracting us with smaller minded issues such as the ones i stated before; those issues in due time will come to terms and i'm not worried about them – nor do i feel anyone else should be at this point in time either. R-money is another douche fag and Obezy is just pretty preempted puppet for everyone to look at.
Now, this is where the conversation currently ends, and I will only continue it if need be. But I think my response is adequate to all the "paulistinians" out there and instructive to Libertarians considering making their vote count:
@ BRETT pleased read and watch/listen to the following and again tell me how Ron Paul will get done what you say he wants to. I agree 100% with you when you say "while that shouldn't be the focus of the election at all. it should be the current economic status of [A]merica…" I agree, and Romney/Ryan have a deep understanding of our fiscal problems, more than "shutting down the Fed" could solve. The Republican platform calls for an audit of the Fed, which would be the first, ever, if this happens — as well as leaning heavily on Jack Kemp's understanding of returning to the gold standard (http://tinyurl.com/965tbzn). Which is why this has been called one of the most libertarian platforms (for the Republicans) in decades, and why many Libertarians are switching their status to GOP. One example is the former Vice Presidential candidate for the Libertarian Party in 2008, Wayne Allen Root. Here is his interview via Michael Medved: Scrubbing the Fed is too conspiratorial… a viewpoint I use to wholeheartedly endorse years ago. But having a party in power with young libertarian minded conservative who have the best chance at really auditing the fed, and having Ron Paul's son head up the venture is a chance you may not get again (at least 4-years more).
@ BRETT pleased read and watch/listen to the following and again tell me how Ron Paul will get done what you say he wants to.
I agree 100% with you when you say "while that shouldn't be the focus of the election at all. it should be the current economic status of [A]merica…" I agree, and Romney/Ryan have a deep understanding of our fiscal problems, more than "shutting down the Fed" could solve. The Republican platform calls for an audit of the Fed, which would be the first, ever, if this happens — as well as leaning heavily on Jack Kemp's understanding of returning to the gold standard (http://tinyurl.com/965tbzn). Which is why this has been called one of the most libertarian platforms (for the Republicans) in decades, and why many Libertarians are switching their status to GOP. One example is the former Vice Presidential candidate for the Libertarian Party in 2008, Wayne Allen Root.
Here is his interview via Michael Medved:
Scrubbing the Fed is too conspiratorial… a viewpoint I use to wholeheartedly endorse years ago. But having a party in power with young libertarian minded conservative who have the best chance at really auditing the fed, and having Ron Paul's son head up the venture is a chance you may not get again (at least 4-years more).
I do beg to differ on Romney losing. You should be aware of the media bias and how this is working towards a narrative that fits the worldview of this same media. For instance, I deal with this a bit in my post on why Republicans should be optimistic.
Again, Ron Paul's take on history is woefully wrong (as is yours)… something his son understands. Between 1800 and 1934, U.S. Marines staged 180 landings abroad. For instance, from the description of a book I highly recommend, "The Savage Wars Of Peace: Small Wars And The Rise Of American Power":
★ From 1800 to the present day, such undeclared wars have made up the vast majority of our military engagements. Yet the military has often resisted preparing itself for small wars, preferring instead to train for big conflicts that seldom come. Boot re-examines the tragedy of Vietnam through a "small war" prism. He concludes with a devastating critique of the Powell Doctrine and a convincing argument that the armed forces must reorient themselves to better handle small-war missions, because such clashes are an inevitable result of America's far-flung imperial responsibilities. (see also my post on the beginning of our NAVY)
Brett still hasn't clicked yet with how he is tearing down his own arguments. Since he is a Ron Paul fan I presumed that he might be into the conspiratorial take on history and a secret cabal of financiers running the world. So I shared a bit on my past thinking on this matter:
…and my affinity to such theories even going as far as involving myself with the John Birch Society in the mid to late 90′s. Continuing, I explained three "events" that caused me to question these beliefs and spurred me to really investigate these claims, references, and quotes so often used with these theories. My eventual shidt in thinking were spurred by an article in the New American article (the magazine of the John Birch Society) blaming the Oklahoma bombing on the U.S. Government; the failure of predictions made about Y2K from many I listened to; and listening to radio talk show host Michael Medved's "Conspiracy Show" where for one day each month he takes calls only from those who believe in conspiracies. These three things caused me to compare and contrast the positions previously accepted as fact. After a couple of years of wrestling with position after position, I eventually gave up my thinking on the NWO and embraced true history….
To which Brett replied:
- …you are a fucking nut-job for believing that
To which I pointed out his flaw in saying this:
Okay, you made it seem like this when you said: "R-money is another douche fag and Obezy is just pretty preempted puppet for everyone to look at." But you should really watch how you talk to people, You should talk to someone as if you are in a public place, politely — which you are, FB is a public place.
But, yes, I was not using all my faculties in looking at all the evidence years ago. But the problem is — for you — that Ron Paul believes these things (Bilderbergers, a Jewish banker $$ cabal, that America did 9/11, etc.). I looked at the evidence and changed my mind. Ron Paul has not… instead he tells voters to go vote for an avowed Marxist, black panther/racist [past Democrat Representative]. CRAZY HUH? But write in Ron Paul.
Ron Paul… attracting all the nuts.


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Locals rule the roost at Laguna Seca
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American Nicky Hayden on his way to victory
in his home GP at Monterey, California.
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"Every dog has its day," reckons Nicky Hayden, the 23-year-old from Ovensboro, Kentucky who claimed his first MotoGP victory when the championship returned to the Laguna Seca circuit in the US on Sunday.
Hayden, who jumped the fence to watch the previous motorcycle GP held there in 1994, and who learned every inch of the track during his US superbike career, was unbeatable on his Honda. He was fastest in practice, started from pole and led the 32-lap race from start to finish.
Watched by a sell-out crowd of 57,932 including celebrities such as Brad Pitt and Michael Jordan, Hayden left world champion Valentino Rossi well behind and American celebrations continued when Colin Edwards eased past teammate Rossi to claim second.
It wasn't the result Yamaha were hoping for as they celebrated their 50th anniversary with Rossi and Edwards decked out in the company's original yellow-and-black racing strip.
Hayden established a two-second advantage over Rossi early in the race and then managed to stay clear of a determined Edwards in the closing stages on a tight, demanding circuit that favours rear-end sliding.
"I can honestly say that this is a dream come true for me," said Hayden. "You spend your whole life rehearsing the speech for a day like this but now it's happened I can't find the words to describe how I feel. It hasn't been easy for me in MotoGP over the past two seasons but every dog has its day and this was mine."
It was Hayden's first victory since moving to MotoGP in 2003 from US superbikes and the first by an American since Kenny Roberts won in Japan in 2000.
Rossi's third place extended his championship lead to 63 points over compatriot Marco Melandri, who collided with Brazilian Alex Barros on the first lap, taking both of them out.
Italian Max Biaggi was fourth, with Spaniard Sete Gibernau taking fifth. Australian Troy Bayliss took sixth, his best finish since joining Honda at the start of the year. Like the Americans, Bayliss has also had superbike experience at the track.
But he wasn't happy with his performance; he had been fastest on the opening day and then qualified fourth, his best grid position since last year when he was riding for Ducati.
"Sixth isn't what I want, or what I expected here at Laguna," he said. "In the race I was just unable to find the kind of feeling I had in practice. I didn't have the confidence on the front and hardly any grip at the back."
After initially fighting with Rossi for second on the opening lap, Bayliss lost ground until he got involved in an intense battle defending his sixth place from Japanese rider Makoto Tamada.
Meanwhile, Gold Coast rider Ant West says he is pleased with the performance of his new KTM 250 after his first test on the bike in Italy last week. He expects to race it in the British GP at Donington Park on Sunday week.
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