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Many people know the main works of J.R.R Tolkien. The Lord Of The Rings and The Hobbit. The Silmarillion is possibly my favourite though out of all of the books. Written while he was servicing in France in World War 1. Silmarillion is a massive, tragic tale full of huge battles, beautiful locations, loving romance and betrayals. It is the history of The Lord Of The Rings. It gives you the details of Sauron and the elves and how they came to be in the third age. The book itself is broke into about 14 stories, each one gripping and really enjoyable. (Probably why there is no film yet!) Anyone who has read the Lord Of The Rings trilogy and The Hobbit needs to read and fall in love with the Silmarillion. The book opens up the world too you and makes everything the characters say in the trilogy about 'past' relevant.
To sum up the Silmarillion is my favourite book from J.R.R Tolkien and I highly recommend it to anyone.
In the last decade, interest in the works of J.R.R. Tolkien has blossomed due in no small part to the success of Peter Jackson's film adaptations of 'The Lord of the Rings'. And while 'Lord of the Rings' is a staggering achievement of a work, both detailed and wide in scope, with memorable characters and a fiery spirit of adventure, it is often criticised for being overly long and lumpen in places, and its unusual structure alienates some reader who loved 'The Hobbit'. And while Lord of the Rings'' towers above 'The Hobbit' in its sheer size, breadth and grandiloquence, it is revealed that it is but a glimpse into the imagination of Tolkien.
Simply put, 'The Silmarillion' is to 'Lord of the Rings' what 'Lord of the Rings' is to 'The Hobbit'. No doubt such a comparison will have readers either running for the exits, or thrilled at the prospect of more information about the ever-appealing realms of Middle-Earth and beyond.
'The Silmarillion' is the collision of numerous ambitions of Tolkien, which some say is too grand a goal to achieve. Inspired by the creation myths of numerous cultures, as well as the epic tales from Greek and Nordic poems and sagas, Tolkien attempts to fuse together all of these aspects and more. As an avid philologist, Tolkien was obsessed with languages, and the beauty and power they convey and the identities they form of the people that spoke them. Having already constructed several types of Elvish, he needed some people to speak them. Being fictional, they needed a fictional place to live, which needed a creation story, and songs and legends of these people flourished. So 'The Silmarillion' is the platform for the languages of these fictional people, and is creation myth, history and legendarium of Middle-Earth, all rolled into one.
Originating as far back as 1915, when a young Tolkien was serving in the trenches of World War One, it started life as 'The Lost Tales'. Although Tolkien's main inspiration to write about Middle Earth was always a linguistic one, he also wished to give England some folk-tales and myths of its own. This flourished into something much larger in scale and more detached over time.
The book comprises several parts, the first being the 'Ainulindale', or 'The Music of the Ainur'. Here it is described how the world (or 'Arda') came into being, when Eru and the Ainur, an equivalent of God and the Archangels, sung the world into being. It is an obtuse yet mesmerising piece of writing, and shows certain parallels not only to the creation story of Genesis, but also to his colleague C.S. Lewis' works. Aficionados of the Chronicles of Narnia will note how Aslan roared the world into existence. Perhaps creation myths were a talking point in the Eagle and Child in Oxford. Chaos and disorder are present, as one of the Ainur, Melkor, attempts to disrupt this music as the world is created, being jealous of Eru's powers. Melkor is thus drawn as the equivalent of Satan, falling from a state of peace and grace and the source of all strife in the new world of Arda.
This is recounted further in the 'Valaquenta', which describes the stories of the Valar and the Maiar, the immortal beings that take up residence in the newly created world. Both of these parts of the book are brief, but are sweeping and majestic in their scope, if obscure in their description. This trait follows all the way through the book, as Tolkien breaks that golden rule of modern writers: 'Show, don't tell'. Tolkien is definitely shy to show us anything in detail here, and its blunt style is reminiscent of histories and chronicles rather than the detailed storytelling of 'The Hobbit' or 'Lord of the Rings''.
The main body of the book is the 'Quenta Silmarillion', being the history of the Silmarils. Herein lies most of the background of Middle Earth, a history spanning thousands of years. Comprising twenty-four parts, it is an overwhelming read. Much like epic Greek poetry, the stories bombard the reader with a catalogue of place names and people, most of which are in some form of Elvish (Sindarin or Quenya). Thankfully, it includes a glossary of these names, as well as their meanings and notes on pronunciation. I would give a word of caution though, as this could be a slippery slope into books of vocabulary and grammar on Elvish and a desire to switch off the subtitles to the Elvish bits of dialogue in the 'Lord of the Rings' movie. Geekdom beckons.
'The Silmarillion' is as frustrating a read as it is spellbinding. I think it is fair to say that Tolkien possessed the rare ability to write to any audience, whether they be children ('The Hobbit', 'Farmer Giles of Ham'), fans of epic storytelling ('Lord of the Rings') or academics (see his work on 'Sir Gawain' or 'Sigurd the Dragonslayer'). But here it feels as though he is primarily writing for himself, and spends little time elaborating on detail or fleshing out events. Dialogue is sparse and terse, and deeds define the characters much more readily than their speech. The style is reminscent of those old sagas from which Tolkien drew heavily; it is blunt, and to the point. This is where the frustration lies, as some of the stories within these chapters are so strong that they leave the reader thinking 'if only...'.
Of these, the ones that stand out are 'Of Beren and Luthien', which chronicles the lengths to which lovers will go for each other, and the daring quest to cut a Silmaril from Morgoth's crown. It is also a welcome respite from the catalogue of disasters that plague the different Elvish peoples, as Morgoth weaves his webs of malice and deceit to bring about their downfall. Standing starkly against this ray of hope is the utterly tragic tale of Turin Turambar, which features in 'The Unfinished Tales' and was recently expanded into a more detailed story by Christopher Tolkien in 'The Children of Hurin'.
We are also treated to a lot more information on the events preceding those in 'Lord of the Rings' under 'The War of the Ring', and the line of kings from which Aragorn was descended. The fate of that people is described in 'The Downfall of Numenor', which also gives a glimpse into Sauron's rise to power and a facet of his character too. It is also the most revealing part of the book, as the events of the whole of 'Lord of the Rings' are summed up in one paragraph. Middle Earth is a very, very big place indeed.
Like his colleague Lewis, Tolkien was no stranger to littering his work with Christian allusions, although given his vocal opposition to allegory it is doubtful that there is some kind of evangelical message here. It is more likely that they are sources of inspiration, rather than a pulse from the pulpit of Tolkien's Catholicism.
In all, 'The Silmarillion' is not for those expecting an adventure story comparable to 'Lord of the Rings' or 'The Hobbit'. It is a linguistic exercise, a snapshot of his mythology and creation myth, a detailed history and a collection of saga-like stories all rolled into one. It also underlines Tolkien's achievement and imagination, which I once read described as something like 'imagine if Homer, when coming to write The Iliad, had had to invent the whole Greek pantheon, and the histories and languages and dialects of the Trojans, and the Achaeans, and the Myrmidons, and all the characters and their lineages first.' The Silmarillion demonstrates just that; Tolkien did in one lifetime what it takes most cultures several hundred years to achieve.
While impressive, it's also ultimately unsatisfying. When I'd finished it, I just wanted more stories from Middle Earth and Valinor. It's a shame Tolkien didn't turn more of his myth into great stories like 'Lord of the Rings'.
This is available from Amazon for a few pounds for the paperback or Kindle editions, and the hardback from one penny (used, of course). I'd recommend this for anyone who has read Tolkien's main works and wants more, but would urge casual fans to stay away.
This book is probably best suited to Lord of the Rings (will say LOTR from now on.) fans who also like Mythology, as that's the style that the book seems to use the most.
LOTR was set in the 3rd age of Tolkien's fictional world, and this book deals with how that world started out. It takes you right back to the start and deals with how it was created, who first settled on Middle Earth, the battles that took place (which make some of the LOTR battles seem like nursery time in comparison!) and some of the main characters who helped shape things.
Elves are usually the main race here though, so you're not going to read too much about Humans, as Humans came into the world later on, even though they are involved more as things progress. Saying that though it's written so well and gives such a good history of the first and second ages that it's more or less a must have for big fans of LOTR.
First and foremost this is not an easy read. The prose is stilted and often difficult. This is for many reasons, adequately described by some of the other reviewers. JRR Tolkien started this book, however it was finished, to a point, by Christopher Tolkien. It is readable but lacks the literary genius of JRR.
Basically, this a collection of stories from the elder days of Middle Earth. For me the book lacks the beauty and depth of the Lord of the Rings (LotR) but remains an absolute must for any Tolkien fan looking to explore some of the folk lore and myth that pervades the LotR. Certain stories and threads are woven throughout the LotR such as the history of Numenor and Beren & Luthien. You can explore these in much greater depth in this book.
The stories in the Silmarillion are truly epic. The creation of the world of Middle Earth and the Gods (The Valar) that created it. Here there is a beautiful description of a world created through music and the disharmony and discord created by a Valar called Morgoth. The struggles of Gods and creation of the Elves, Dwarves and Men.
I will not spoil your read but one of the highlights for me is 'The fall of Fingolfin'. The king of the Elves and Morgoth in single combat. The deeds done by the Elves and Men in the Elder days put in to shadow the efforts of Aragorn, Gandalf and Frodo! The disposal of the one ring, is a walk in the park compared to the deeds of the elder days.
I hope I have given you a flavour of this book. If you want to explore Middle Earth mythology then this is a must. When you read this book all the places, heroes and peoples of Middle Earth suddenly find a much stronger position in your mind! You will realise that the LotR is not just a great story of a band of friends going up against an old enemy, it is the culmination of many thousands of years of struggles between two enemies that began their war even before the world was made.
The Silmarillion is another of Tolkien senior's works that was released posthumously by his son Christopher. It was compiled and created from numerous existing manuscripts that JRRT had written over the years - often these were very varied and even contradictory, so it can not have been an easy task.
This collection of tales are set long before the events narrated in The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings and sadly do not feature any hobbits. The tone and style of the writing is very different in the Silmarillion and it can be rather harder to read than the Lord of the Rings, particularly if you are trying to keep track of all the elves whose names begin with the letter F! After the first reading, I usually just "dip in" and read individual stories in isolation, particularly the tale of Beren and Luthien, which is also mentioned in the Lord of the Rings.
It is well worth reading this once to get a better understanding of the rich world that Tolkien created, but be prepared for it to be hard work.
The Lord Of The Rings and the Hobbit are books that have become ingrained into the very fabric of British culture, with the former being named as the nations favourite book of all time, a feat that I doubt Tolkein would have predicted when he was writing it. But from these books, many things are suggested about the world of Middle Earth, from its histories, to its literature and races, but little can be said within the realms of the fiction itself. The in-depth appendixes at the end of the Lord Of The Rings go some way in describing some of the events, but it is really within The Silmarillion that we gain a greater understanding of how the world that Tolkein created came to be and how its cultures came about.
The book is essentially a history of the creation of Middle Earth, something that I would relate quite closely to something along the lines of Genesis within the Bible, as it describes the creation of the world by the supernatural powers of the Valar and Ainur. And as a religious man himself, Tolkein may have used the Biblical accounts as a basis for his work, whilst also altering them to fit to his designs and go some way into explaining certain facets of his world. For instance, we are introduced to the idea of evil within the world of Ea, the 'world that is', as Melkor, one blessed with the greatest power and knowledge of the Ainur. He rebels against the conformity and bliss of the world that they reside and wants to create something of his own, leading to his disenchantment with the others. He then becomes very much estranged from the rest of the Ainur, and becomes their enemy, destroying and defiling the work and love that they have put into the making of Arda, the world created by Iluvatar, 'father of all'.
The complexities and depths of the story go far beyond this, and I cannot truly begin to explain some of the features and topics of the book, as its language and level of poetic beauty provide the answers that Tolkein fans desire. The book itself is split into five distinct parts, the Ainulindale, which describes the creation and beginnings of the Ainur, the Valaquenta, a description of each of the Valar and some of the Maiar (the lesser of the two), Quenta Silmarillion, which mkes up the majority of the book and describes the saga of the Silmarils, three jewels containing the light of the two trees, Akallabeth, which describes the history of Numenor, and Of The Rings Of Power And The Third Age, which details the creation of the rings until the destruction of the One Ring at the end of the third age. This is but a brief description of each of the sections, and in all the book comprises some 340 pages, with 100 more devoted to genealogies and further information about some of the elements within the book that would not fit anywhere else. This is some work, considering its size and material, dealing with the world of Tolkein from its beginnings to its end in terms of the passing of the rings from Middle Earth and the rise of men, at the detriment to the rest of creation, an idea that I believe is overlooked in story as a whole.
The language of the book itself is not for those who struggle with the written word, or those who can't deal with language from a previous time, as much of the book is written in a very academic way. The writing itself though is not so much old-fashioned, as ideal for the content of the book, in that it is more of an academic history of the world of Tolkein rather than a work of fiction. It is a piece that goes beyond the realms of fantasy and fiction, and tries to force itself as a piece of history, long forgotten in the annals of time. When Peter Jackson decided to make the Lord Of The Rings into a film, he wanted the audience to see it as something of a historical documentary, in that it could be, and in many ways should be, real, as the depth into which he goes is far beyond any other piece of fiction. Tolkein wanted a work that could be expanded upon by others after his death, with Tolkein calling the larger part of his written work a legendarium, which directly related to the tales of the elves, although this has been expanded upon to mean any work relating to Middle Earth. Within this legendarium, The Silmarillion sits as a brief overview of the beginnings and creation of this world, telling of the coming of the elves, men, dwarves and the conflicts that developed within the world with Melkor (Morgoth).
I am in no way a Tolkein expert, as I have only read a small proportion of his work, and in no huge depth, but I do have a great respect for it, and from this my interest have developed, such that a work of this level seems as majestic as anything else. The language hoes beyond anything else I have read, and it makes the book what it is, although I would point out that this may put many people off, as you do need to have an interest in the world to finish this. For me this is not a problem, but I have heard of others simply giving up due to the complexities and nuances of the writing style, although a similar thing could be said of some of The Lord Of The Rings itself, although the fictional element allowed that to take backstage.
But if you are a fan of The Lord Of The Rings and The Hobbit, both of which I would insist that you read before even attempting this, which includes the Appendixes of the former, as they provide even more material for this, and give you an idea of some of the things that are discussed within this. But as the world that Tolkein created was so vast and so full of history, this work is necessary to understand that, and The Silmarillion helps to fill in some of the blanks left by the original stories and goes some way into explaining some of the events and some of the cultures. I thoroughly enjoyed reading this, and it has inspired me to return to some of the other works, or to look to new ones. It is a work that should inspire and indulge anyone with an interest in the Lord Of The Rings, taking on a life of its own, as it glides through the world of Middle Earth and explains the conflicts and genuinely human and emotional endeavours that go beyond the basic genre of fictional and fantasy works.
Well I recently review the three Lord of the Rings books and also The Hobbit. I described the Hobbit as a quaint Fairytale. If your expecting something similar from The Silmarillion you may want to think again. If the Hobbit were a person it might be, erm, Paris Hilton? Simple, fun, predictable etc... Well the Silmarillion would have to Stephen Hawkins! Complex, confusing, slightly crazy?
The Silmarillion is set way before the Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings which take place in the Third Age of Middle Earth. This book is set in the first age! How much earlier that is, I'm unsure. But I do know its an awful long time!
The plot is erm.... Well rather difficult to explain. It tells the story of the rebellion by Feanor's allies against the Gods, their exile from Valinor and return to Middle-earth. It's a history of the heroic First Age. Now I must confess I pretty much copied that from the back of the book. As even though have read this book, or most of it, I still would have real trouble telling someone what it's about!
This is not the kind of book you can put your feet up and enjoy. I was really looking forward to this after Lord of the Rings, but must confess i could not finish it. Got about two thirds the way through and then gave up. Its just so deep and complicated. Tolkiens attention to detail is incredible! But there is just way to much detail, you loose the storyline.
I think this book is really ment to be more of a reference tool for die hard Lord of the Rings fans. There are some mentions of things that I remember from Lord of the Rings and it does shed some light on certain aspects of the story, however you have to sift through so much information to find any of these bits of information.
Overall this is an amazing book. The world that Tolkien created is simply incredible, but if your looking for a good read, don't think this is it. Certainly not a nice fairytale you can read to your kids. If yoy fancy a challenge give this a go, if not, steer well clear!
The Silmarillion is a great resource for people who want to know more about the world that "The Lord of the Rings" exists in - Middle Earth. But to try and read it as anything else, can be fairly torturous. It is not an easy read, and definitely not accessible to everyone. I do love reading it though and it is a good basis for maybe making a start on the twelve or so history of middle earth volumes because it gets you into the required mindset for tackling those as it is written in much the same way. Definitely one for the hardcore fans; the Silmarillion will be sending anyone else to sleep I think after a few pages. I have to admit I have only read it a couple of times (compared to my geeky and staggering 19 times reading The Lord of The Rings), but it does stay with me and I think I shall tackle it again some time soon.
No-one whos read Lord Of The Rings should overlook this on account of its `difficult reputation. It is, after all, the final form of the magnum opus that he worked on all his life.
Yes, it is hard work a test of strength for casual investigators. You may find yourself annoyed by the religious aspect of it, predominant from the opening creation myth through to the Garden of Eden-business of the Flight of the Noldor (so here's an intellectual preaching against acquisition of knowledge - how sad!). Persist and you're rewarded by a powerful, moving tale of life during wartime and a people's struggle for survival.
And persisting shouldn't be too difficult because its as astonishing in technical terms as it is in the scope of Tolkiens imagination. Reading it can be like decoding a linguistic puzzle - his absolute command of olde-worlde language (with all the obsolete words and complexities of grammar and sentence structure) demands respect; the extensive use of Tolkien's own invented languages is just the icing on the cake.
It should be noted that the same events are recounted in greater detail but with plenty of variation and incompleteness in archival volumes like Unfinished Tales and The Book Of Lost Tales and the poetry collection The Lays Of Beleriand. However these are inaccessible to anyone who hasnt read The Silmarillion first. (What separates Tolkien scholars from casual fans is the amount of time theyre prepared to spend devouring the many versions of the First Age saga. This is just the tip of a very large iceberg).
I read The Hobbit as a child, and then quickly moved onto The Lord Of The Rings (LOTR), both of which I enjoyed, but for some reason I never actually explored any of Tolkien's other works that are based on the fantasy world that is Middle Earth. To be honest, I probably didn't realise there were any other books, after all although it was an epic, LOTR did have a form of natural closure. It's only been recently that I've found myself inclined to discover more of the mythology that concerns the many people and lands that feature in both The Hobbit and LOTR, and so I was advised to read The Silmarillion.
---A Short History Lesson---
Although The Silmarillion was published after The Hobbit and LOTR in 1977, the mythology that it contains dates from much earlier than either book. In fact the writings on which this book was based began in 1917, while The Hobbit was not published until 1937, while LOTR did not appear until 1954-55. Unfortunately J.R.R.Tolkien did not survive to see this work completed, and the job of collating and setting the tales into order fell to his son, Christopher, who has very kindly provided a foreword to the book.
---The Storyline(s)---
This book is not a single story, but is more a collection of various tales and epics that range from the creation of the world to the events of LOTR. Through these tales we learn the origins of many of the characters and races that feature prominently in the books that follow. As a standalone, I would imagine it is a very dry read, but after having read the more well-known books of the series, it provides a wealth of background information, and I often found myself thinking "Ahh so that's why?".
---The Writing Style---
This book is not written in the same style as either The Hobbit or LOTR, it is not a story (or epic) full of elaborate descriptions, but actually reads more like a history book. And that is indeed what it is, a book that contains the bare-bones of the history of the Three Ages of Middle Earth and it's peoples. There is very little elaboration of events, and for me the closest comparisons I can find (in writing style and range at least) are the classic epics from Greek, Roman and Norse literature. Hundreds of years worth of history can pass in a single page, and the whole book is very fast paced, with only just enough time to digest one set events before moving on to the next.
---The Language---
I will admit that the language used is, while poetic, very difficult to both pronounce and occasionally follow. Many of the names (especially in family trees) are similar, with sometimes only a few letters (or accents) giving clues as to whether the book is talking about father, son or brother. There is, however, a very useful guide to pronunciation at the back of the book, and once you've managed to master the almost Nordic language, it's a delight to read paragraphs and songs out loud.
---Other delights---
As well as the actual tales, the book (well my copy at least), contains a few other sections that are well worth reading. These include a foreword written by Christopher Tolkien, which gives an interesting insight into how he put the book together, along with a letter written by J.R.R.Tolkien, in which he talks about how the fantasy realm of Middle Earth evolved. These are both worth a read, as they state once and for all that this (and LOTR) were not intended to be an allegory for events that were happening (or had happened) in the real world, but were rather acts of pure fantasy.
At the end of the book, along with the handy pronunciation guide, there is a full index so that while reading the other books and wondering about the history of a character, you can find their place in this and read their particular history. The final pages are filled with maps of Middle Earth, so that you can follow the progress of the heroes and their people.
Due to the pace at which this book moves it's impossible to digest all the information it contains in one sitting. I have so far read it twice in the last month, and still feel that there is more that I can learn from it, so I will be reading it again soon (probably in conjunction with LOTR next time).
---Place In A Collection---
I would suggest that this is perhaps not a book to buy as a stand-alone read, but rather as an indispensable addition to your collection of the tales of Middle earth. My particular copy confirms this as the cover is designed to be displayed in conjunction with my copies of The Hobbit and LOTR (along with further books), and they all feature a stylish matt black cover. I would however suggest that this is read either after or alongside the other two books I have mentioned, as for me at least it's primary purpose is as a companion to these books and it "plumps" out their stories.
While there is no bad language or graphic violence in the book, I would suggest that it is perhaps not really suitable for the younger reader (unless they are very talented). Looking back, I think the age of about thirteen would have been perfect for my first attempt at reading this, especially as at that age I had a great interest in epics such as The Iliad.
---My Final Words---
When I bought this book I think I was expecting something along the lines of The Hobbit, that is to say a short story that was easily read. Instead, I found an epic on the scale of Homer's Iliad, and I quickly found myself deeply immersed in the tales of heroics, love and despair that it contained. I've heard that some people find this a difficult book to read, and I must agree that it is probably something that is an acquired taste. But if you read and loved either The Hobbit or LOTR, or are a lover of classics such as came from Greece and Rome (as I am), then you will love this.
So my final recommendation is that you should buy this book, if you have an interest in finding out more about the history behind the events that you have already read about in The Hobbit and LOTR. But do not expect this to be in the same style of these books, or a particularly easy read, but more as a companion to the two, which is in itself still manages to leave a feeling of satisfaction as you quickly move from event to event.
---Technical Bits---
Format : paperback
Publisher : HarperCollins
No. pages : 443
Price : £5.59
Other formats available : Hardback, mass market paperback, audio
*** This review (or at least, a very close simulcrum) was originally published by myself at http://www.epinions.com/content_112261828228 ***
The Story
The Silmarillion deals with the first 2 ages of Middle Earth (that is, the time before the events of The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings LOTR). It goes right back to the beginning, dealing with the Middle Earth myth of creation, to the emergence of evil, the retaliation of good, the birth of the various races, and the legendary characters that you might remember in passing being mentioned in LOTR.
In the beginning Eru, the Supreme One, created other beings like himself (The Valar). Then he began creating Middle Earth by singing a song, which formed into reality. The Valar sang in harmony with him, and all was good. But Melkor (also sometimes called Morgoth) began to sing his own song out of harmony with Erus. Eru sang more powerfully, drowning our Melkors song.
But a rift was formed in Middle Earth. Eru sent The Valar (including Melkor) to live on Middle Earth so see how the song worked itself out. Melkor was tolerated for a time, sometimes apparently reformed, and other spirit creatures joined his side (the most well-known examples of this being Sauron, and the Balrog that battles Gandalf in LOTR). But eventually he is cast out of Valinor, and this has a lot to do with The Silmarils (from which the books title is taken) beautiful jewels created by Feanor, an Elf. In fact, these jewels, and the grievous deeds that surround them, are the focal point of the whole book many of the events in the book centre around them, and not just those confined to the time period near their creation. Among the results of these events are the expulsion of the Elves from Valinor, the fist Kin-slaying (Elves killing other Elves), and the seemingly irrevocable rift between Elves and Dwarves.
Because the time periods covered in the different sections of the book overlap at times, so do the characters and events. This can at times be a little confusing, and at times I found myself having to look back in the book to find out what happened to a character in the early part of the book to explain their actions in a later part. Personally I find this rather interesting (albeit time-consuming), but beware if that sort of thing annoys you.
The overall plot is immense, as it deals with the whole first 2 ages of Middle Earth (it touches on the third right at the end of the book, but obviously thats dealt with in detail in The Hobbit and LOTR), so it would be pointless to tell you any more of the plot its just too big to describe!
The Characters
Some of the characters are basically mini-gods, such as The Valar and Melkor (also called Morgoth). These are portrayed as having similar thoughts and emotions to humans, as indeed do all the races, though they have their own individual racial tendencies (and prejudices). The individual characters didnt particularly stand out to me after reading, just while I was doing so. In fact, the only characters I really remember are Melkor, Sauron, Manwe (Lord of the Sky), and Feanor, the Elf who made the Silmarils and thus unwittingly started a whole heap of trouble. The problem is there are just so many characters, and there are few who are consistently referred to throughout the book. (And, of course, the humans and dwarves have a tendency to die just as theyre getting interesting ) Some of the characters you may remember from LOTR are there Celeborn and Galadriel, for instance.
Its not really a problem as the book is more action based than character based. Still, the characters do well for their part of the book, and the races arent stereotyped whether its and Elf, Dwarf, or Human, they will have their own personality, which is defined by the upbringing and experiences more than simply their race.
The locations differ somewhat from Middle Earth, and show the changing face of the earth (again showing Tolkeins keen awareness of the results of industrialisation on the environment, which the more I see of it, the more I feel that he was decades ahead of his time). Theyre interesting but not particularly outstanding, but they dont need to be. Theyre more of a background to the story rather than part of the story itself, as in LOTR.
Plot Development
The individual plots develop very quickly, with an overall theme emerging slowly through the course of the seemingly isolated incidents. It isnt as such a story, though, rather a history made up of many different stories that sometimes interlink. Not all of the stories have to do with the Silmarils, not all are to do with the battle against Melkor / Sauron, not all feature the Valor, not all feature the Elves. Its just brilliant story-telling, and although set before LOTR seems more a compliment of it than the other way round. (Indeed, if Im right, The Hobbit was written first, then LOTR, then The Silmarillion though I could be wrong). Action seekers who found LOTR rather too slow for their liking will find this much more to their liking, and if you like LOTR, Im sure youll like this too. Ive never met anyone who hasnt liked it after reading its more illustrious forebear beforehand.
The Writing
Because its scope is so large in terms of both time and area, the writing is very fast-paced. Its like a whirlwind tour of history with a few close-up views centuries can go by with little happening, but then along comes a great evil / hero / heroine / catastrophe etc, and were zoomed into the thick of the action, panning out again to take a broader view once its done. In many ways I actually think its better than LOTR, although because you dont spend as much time with any individual characters, you dont really get to care about them very much. I suppose the main difference is that LOTR is written more or less in present tense, while The Silmarillion is ancient history and knows it.
Overall its as interesting as anything Greek mythology ever produced, and in many ways more as its not something anyones ever supposed to actually believe in, apart from the characters in the book itself. As with C S Lewis' Chronicles of Narnia, there are books available that compare Middle Earthian mythology to biblical events there are indeed many similarities, off the top of my head the fact that Melkor was initially an angelic creature turned bad (Satan), Sauron was evil but could (at first) appear to be beautiful and good (Satan again), Gandalf was sent from another land (Valinor) to help save mankind, appeared to have been defeated but returned in a glorified state (Jesus), the Elves being cast out of Valinor (Garden of Eden), etc Im not really sure how intentional / coincidental these similarities are, but I dont think it would really affect your enjoyment of reading this book either way. It adds another angle of interest if you have a knowledge of the bible, but in reality the book stands up as a story to be read and enjoyed, and not as a biblical commentary. Its not a fiction-oriented Vines Expository. But its interesting comparing events, all the same. Perhaps because both Tolkein and Lewis were Christian apologists (as well as being contemporaries and "inklings" -members of the writers' club of that name), there is more tolerance among certain groups about the use of magic in their books, as opposed to the vehement opposition to, for instance, Harry Potter.
(Since originally writing that paragraph, a knowledgeable reader has posted a comment on my LOTR review stating that Tolkein was a Christian apologist, so I guess the many similarities between biblical events and those set out as Middle Earths mythology are not merely coincidental).
Tolkein overall shows just as much flare for creative prose and description as he does in his other books, and his versatility shows through in the fact that, while all enjoyable, The Hobbit, The Silmarillion, and LOTR are completely different in style. The Silmarillion is very fast, a completely fictional mythology (with most others you never quite know how much is fact and how much is fiction), and its breathtaking stuff. It doesnt particularly matter which order you read the books in Ive read all of them more than once anyway, it doesnt spoil any of the stories to know what happened before or after them.
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This is probably not the place to begin an acquaintance with Mr Tolkien?s work. Don?t get me wrong. I think it is a fine book. It is one of my favourite books of all time, but is not very welcoming to the uninitiated. Many people enthralled by the excitement and storytelling of the Lord of the Rings have read (or started to read) the Silmarillion and have been acutely disappointed. ?So many strange names and places?; they cry. The Silmarillion is more like Norse Mythology than a novel. SYNOPSIS The Silmarillion actually contains 5 different pieces. In order of appearance these are: AINULINDALE ? A story of how Eru made the world out of the singing of the Ainur (the powers) and how some of the powers entered the World. The rebellion of Melkor (the Devil) during the Song and the introduction of evil and suffering. THE VALAQUENTA ? a description of the Powers that control Middle Earth under the rule of Eru ? ?the One? (God, the Prime Being). THE SILMARILLION PROPER (THE QUENTA) We?ll come to this in a moment. THE FALL OF NUMENOR ? Some of the human heroes of the first age are allowed to settle in a fantastic island westward of all other human lands. There they achieve the peak of the human condition.They even defeat Sauron (Melkor?s Chief Lieutenant) But pride and fear of death leads to their fall. They listen to the captive Sauron?s lies and rebel against the Powers. Numenor is destroyed and all the Numenoreans killed except for a few who had fled the island or were living on the Mainland. The largest group of escapees had not rebelled against the Powers. Led by Elendil they fled the anticipated vengeance. Their descendents founded the Kingdoms of Arnor and Gondor. THE RINGS OF POWER AND THE THIRD AGE ? This gives a little more of the background to the Lord of the Rings. It describes the Making of the Rings of Power by Celebrimbor and the Smiths of Eregion and Sauron?s betrayal and destruction of them with the One Ring.
The Silmarillion tells the story of the First Age of Middle Earth when all was new and Elves and Men had only recently awoken. It describes the Creation of the World and the primeval struggle between the Powers (also called Valar) and Melkor (later called Morgoth). It describes Aule?s (the Power of Earth) impatient creation of the Dwarves and Eru?s grace to him that they should be given life and the gift of Ents to Yavanna (the Power of Animals and Plants). Melkor is eventually defeated and imprisoned by the Powers. The Elves awake in the East of Middle Earth. They are summoned to Valinor (home of the Powers) for their own safety. Many go, some do not. Those that remained were called the Dark Elves. Most of the three peoples of the Elves, the Vanyar, the Noldor and the Teleri undertake a long march to the Western shores of Middle Earth losing some stragglers on the way. The Noldor and Vanyar are transported first by Ulmo (Power of Water) and Osse (Lord of the Seas) his vassal. The Teleri come later and their leader Elwe is lost to them. He is enchanted by Melian (one of the lesser powers) and they wed. Under the name Thingol he rules a great kingdom in Middle Earth In Valinor all is peace and light. However after a time Melkor is released due to the clemency of the Powers. He poisons the minds of the Noldor and especially that of Feanor son Finwe Lord of the Noldor. Then he destroys the Two Trees the sources of light in Valinor and steals the Silmarils the greatest gems of all time made by Feanor. He then flees to Middle Earth. The Noldor want to pursue him but the Valar refuse them in the confusion. The Noldor rebel against the Powers and seek to return to Middle Earth. To do so they steal the ships of the Teleri killing many of them. In Middle Earth they find many Orcs and other evil creatures of Morgoth as they call Melkor. Thingol already has been at war with the servants of the Dark Lord. The Noldor establish many strong kin
gdom and keep Morgoth pinned in for a while but eventually his strength has grown so that he destroys them all apart from Gondolin and Nargothrond (Noldor Kingdoms that are hidden from him) and Thingol?s Kingdom of Doriath. In the mean time men have come into the Noldor lands and taken up service with them against Morgoth. The greatest of human heroes was Hurin. His son Turin however is cursed and pursued by Morgoth and his evil minions and so Turin brings about unwittingly the destruction of Nargothrond although he does slay Glaurung the father of Dragons. Turin?s cousin Tuor is sent to Gondolin with a message from Ulmo the Power of Water that Gondolin and it?s king Turgon should rise up and attack Morgoth with his help. They are too afraid however and by treachery their city is also overthrown. Doriath is also destroyed by treachery and infighting and so apart from scattered bands and a few harbours the elves seem lost. It is then that the Valar and the Elves of Valinor return to Middle Earth and vanquish Melkor but much of the land is destroyed in the process. There are other tales in here also such as the love story of Beren and Luthien and how they recovered a Silmaril from Morgoth. And the process of how Feanor and his sons are destroyed one by one by their lust for the Silmarils. CONTENT This book was actually put together in its final form by Christopher Tolkien as his Father died without completing a final version (he had worked on it all his adult life). Christopher used his fathers extensive papers later published in the History of Middle Earth (a 12 volume collection of all Tolkien?s unpublished writings and drafts) This book is fascinating for those who want more background to the stories in the Lord of the Rings. If you skipped the Appendices this book is almost certainly not for you. Lots of names and family trees and maps and so on and so on. STYLE High and mighty is possibl
y the best way of putting it. The style is sparse but powerful and if you enjoy your language old and stark and noble you should love this. REREADABILITY I can reread this endlessly as there is so much here and the stories are so compelling in their intensity. Having said that if you have enjoyed these better to go on to the full version of conflicting and changing manuscripts given by Christopher Tolkien in the 12 volume History of Middle Earth (including the Lost Tales and so on). ACCESSIBILITY. As I say not the best place to start. But if you like this on its own well done!
The power and beauty of the recent Peter Jackson adaptation of the classic J R R Tolkien's Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the ring has bought a renewed interest in Tolkien's work. Not only is the interest focusing on the classic 'Trilogy' but also there is a certain amount of interest in 'The Silmarillion'. Aside from the Hobbit, and the Lost Tales, Tolkien devoted much of his life to creating a 'real' world; to ensure this came to fruition he continually amended and updated legends, myths and tales that make up the lore of Middle Earth. The importance of this book isn't really evident unless you take a deep look at both books together. The imagery that essentially fills in many gaps in Lord of the Rings (LOTR), and the story telling that accounts for all that happened earlier in this imaginary land of dwarves, elves, orcs and men serve to propel LOTR into a different level, making it become even more important and complete. The attention to detail is amazing as you are inundated with data, including some detailed family trees of many of the major characters from LOTR. The Silmarillion was edited by Tolkien's son Christopher . Piecing together over sixty years of work, Christopher has tried to meld together a tapestry that often does not fit. Many parts of the original stories were not entirely complete or indeed were inconsistent with other parts of the book. The culminating piece of work has been published several times, the latest still having a few holes and errors, but on the whole the legends and myths are very conclusive. The book is a mixture of Legends and myths that are hinted at in LOTR. Reading a little like the bible, we start of with 'Ainulindale', which is a creation myth explaining much about the beginnings of Middle Earth (you could almost insert this into Genesis!). We proceed to 'Valaquenta' a voracious Elvan account of the main Powers
(Valar and Maiar); we then proceed to 'The Silmarillion' essentially telling the tales of individuals who effect the struggle between the Powers. And finally we end with a couple of short legends that help bridge the gap between 'The Silmarillion' and LOTR; the most prominent and perhaps important of these being 'Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age' The Silmarillion is a very serious book and is harder to read and perhaps more difficult to get into than LOTR; this is perhaps due to the 'epic' quality of the legends and that it is more a history than a story telling. Tolkien concentrates on the meaning of the legends and attempts to bind them together to form a complete history rather than concentrating on rich characters and high adventure. There is imagery and characterization in many of the tales, however these are secondary to the main purpose of the book. The main tale, i.e. The Silmarillionn includes some fantastic characters. Melkor (or Morgoth – LOTR uses this name many times) is a powerful and evil 'devil' type figure that is far beyond his successor Sauron. Tolkien uses his skills to build the imagery including such amazing and cunning beasts as Glaurung, the great dragon of Melkor. Numerous characters are entwined in the plot as they struggle against a dark destiny; they do not stand out like Gandalf or Frodo and do not have many idiosyncrasies; these characters are not quite complete, as Tolkien does not develop many of the characters in this volume. . As with much of LOTR there is much reference to the music and poetry of the land; this forms a major part of the history of Middles Earth and perhaps tries to explain the importance of the music that is prevalent in LOTR. From very early on in LOTR, from the initial pleasantries of the hobbits, to the magical encounter with Tom Bombadil we realize that music and poetry is tied to the very
essence of Middle Earth. The Silmarillion raises this to a different level as music and poetry seemingly becomes tied to the histories and Legends making them perhaps more mystical and a little less real. The prevalence of poetry and the style of writing, as if the book were written by 4th century monks, make The Silmarillion a very difficult book to start; once started you will finish it but it will not be easy. You will find that you cannot quite grasp the reason for the book as it often seems like a mismatched history that doesn't quite meld together. However, combined with LOTR and other works (such as Lost Tales, The Hobbit etc) it does serve to provide a rich World that has a depth of history and legends that serve to make it more real than any fantasy novel that you will ever read. Regardless of the few inconstancies that you will encounter, the general attention to detail that links all of Tolkien's Middle Earth are quite simply fantastic. This volume will definitely not appeal to all readers; some will feel this is an essential read if you really want to immerse yourself in Tolkien's world; some will say it is too boring; some will use it for Roleplaying reference. For me it answered many of the unanswered questions from LOTR; it completed many of the legends that were hinted at and it helped me understand a little more about Middle Earth.
Most people have read or heard of may be even seen Lord of the Rings. There are many references in LOR to ancient history of middle earth. The Silmarillion tells the story of those early years; How middle earth was formed, how the Orcs came to be and there link to the Elves, the war between Morgoth and the Vanya. The Silmarillion is a collection of stories centred round the main heroes as mentioned in LOR such as Elrond and Galadriel, Isildor, Beren and Luthien. Many villians also are mentioned like the nasty Ungollient horrible spider that eats people. Morgoth and Sauron are also described and their beginnings explained. The illustrations which are featured through out the book are sensational. The book is real quality. The stories however, are somtimes too intense and it can get difficult to remember who is who as there are so many characters mentioned. It isn't a book you can casually read it requires some concentration and imagination. Despite this because of the subject matter you will probably keep coming back to it until you remember all the main characters. When you the read LOR again you will have a better appreciation of the amazing world Tolkien has created. The only negative aspects i can pick out are that the evil characters really are evil. I got a real dread for this big spider who devoured people. I actually had nightmares about it so i stopped reading it for a while. Theres also a tale which involves incest which i thought was unpleasant and it left me feeling awful. I would not recommend the book to kids. In fact i dont recommend the book at all which might seem odd since i am a Tolkien fan. There are some stories i liked i found the fall of the Noldor elves stirring and i wondered if Tolkien got a lot of his ideas from the Bible. Unfortuneately i can't recommend it.
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Date online: 03 April 2014
Pupils rally to help their classmate
KIND-HEARTED pupils have been raising money to help their school create a special sensory room for a seriously ill pal.
St Edwards RC School, Lees, is hoping to fund a special environment so six-year-old Ruby Baker, who suffers from a severe neurological condition, can stay at the school. Ruby suffers from Leigh Syndrome, which leads to progressive loss of mental ability and movement.
When Ruby's friend Sophie Dervan (7) heard about the school's plans to raise the £5,000 needed for the room, she set her heart on doing as much as she could to help and is organising a sponsored Zumba party for her and her friends.
Her mum Clare said: "Sophie came up with the idea of the party herself. She loves singing and dancing and she knows all the Zumba moves so we thought it would be a fun thing all her friends could be involved in. I'm really proud of her."
Not content with organising a party, Sophie is also selling cakes and running a raffle. She and other pupils and staff mmbers have been raising money in various ways.
The money will provide a range of mirrors, fibre-optic lights and aroma fans which Ruby and other pupils with special needs could enjoy.
Ruby's mum Natalie Baker said: "Ruby loves the school and everybody there loves her. She's been there since nursery and the sensory room would enable her to stay at the school and be with her friends."
The school is up for an Engage Mutual Assurance Community Award - worth £5,000. The winner will be chosen by public vote, open until May 30. You can add your vote at www.engagemutual.com.
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February 26, 2016 – Ottawa, Ontario – Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada
Dr. Vern Burrows, an emeritus scientist at Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada's (AAFC) Ottawa Research and Development Centre, was presented with The International Scientific and Technological Cooperation Award of the People's Republic of China during a luncheon on February 25, 2016. The award is granted to foreign scientists, engineers, managers, or organizations that have made important contributions to China's bilateral or multilateral scientific and technological cooperation.
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If you ask a Barcelona fan about their beloved club's record in Europe, don't be surprised to see their eyes narrow and their mood darken. After all, it is a sore subject.
For all the stellar names attached to Barcelona's history, they have lifted the European Cup just once. If that wasn't frustrating enough, their old rivals Real Madrid have won the competition a record nine times. Barcelona's supporters are scarred by that unfavourable comparison, not to mention the memory of three Final defeats.
The most haunting of these took place 20 years ago when rank outsiders Steaua Bucharest won on penalties in Seville. Remember Helmut Duckadam, the mustachioed keeper who saved all four Barcelona spot kicks? Catalans do, and that's why arrogance is in short supply as Barcelona gear up for this week's showpiece with Arsenal.
"The Barcelona fan's psychology is a strange one," says Inigo Gurruchaga of El Pais. "They feel their team should have been more successful in Europe and are aggravated that their big rivals have achieved so much.
"So although Barcelona are favourites to win on Wednesday, there is always that deep-seated fear that there could be a repeat of what happened in 1986. Terry Venables was the manager then and they lost on penalties to Steaua after a terrible, terrible match.
"People remember that Barcelona were huge favourites that night but they ended up in dreadful shape. And what made it worse was the fact the game took place in Spain.
"However, there is more of a feeling of security with the current Barcelona team because it has already performed in important matches, like when they beat Chelsea.
"The Quarter-Final against Benfica was a typical example of a game where Barcelona could fail to live up to expectations, and the fans were in fear of that happening, but they came through it.
"Because of that psychology, you won't find a feeling of superiority about the Arsenal game. Barcelona will give Arsenal their due, they won't think it will be easy. There will be a lot of respect, and certainly no over-confidence."


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Started beekeeping in NYS in 1974. Went to Roger Morse at the Dyce Lab for advice. He said "get a job, kid". So I went to work for a beekeeper with over 2000 hives and no permanent help -- greenhorns only. 1975-1980 I worked at the Knorr Beeswax Factory near San Diego. I used to crank out 1000 lbs of beeswax foundation a day, plus sell bee supplies to folks from all over the SW. Met all the big shots and hundreds of sideliners, and beginners as well.
1981 joined the Peace Corps and went to Chile to teach beekeeping. Program was cancelled, however, and in 1982 worked in No. California for a very large package bee and queen outfit. Met Mike Johnston there. 1983-1990 had my own bees in So Cal, topped out at nearly 500 colonies. Annually sold about 40000 pounds honey and 4000 pounds bee pollen, plus a few thousand queen cells. Price of honey caved in 1990, I gave it all up and moved to NYS.
1999, back into bees. Worked at the Dyce Lab at Cornell for 7 years, did bee inspection for 3 years, now I am working in a lab that studies reproductive genomics (that's another story). Newly elected president of the Finger Lakes Beekeepers Club, published maybe a dozen articles in the American Bee Journal. I am putting the finishing touches on a series about honey bee communication via pheromones.
To be honest, I have known about Bee Source for a very long time but avoided it because of the shouting, and mind numbingly ignorant comments that sometimes appear. But several friends asked me to stop by and contribute my particular skew.
Very interested in concepts of Hive Mind, networks, and I most definitely agree that a hive does not resemble a digital computer at all. Computers are projections of human ideas about intelligence, but they are by no means accurate reflections of how intelligence really works -- in us, or in bee hives. Especially since nobody has even a remote clue how to quantify emotions and feelings, which not only rule human life but the life of bees as well. But that is a topic for another thread!


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Abilene Reporter-News, The (Newspaper) - April 12, 1974, Abilene, Texas "WITHOUT OR WITH FRIENDS OR FOES WE SKETCH YOUR WORLD EXACTLY AS IT 93KD YEAR, NO. 290 PHONE 673-4271 ABILENE, TEXAS, 79G04, FRIDAY EVENING, APRIL 12, PAGES IN SECTIONS Associated Press (IP) By BLUE RUCKER Top Soil Great, But Not in Street Do Me slill Iiiivc street cleaners? fl'c sure need imc out on ACC Hill. When it ruins, il all runs right down into the corner of (Jill ami Scolt Place. It's great toil soil, I'll him. to-admit, I've trucked out tlicrc nilli my trusty shovel, scooped il up for my garden.bill I don't need, quite as much as whnl's been granted me. A. We've asked Hie Public Works Depl. to have a look. II will probably lake more than a street sweeper to clear away (he sill. Q. In the song, "Marvelous uhal was (he A. ll's whatever yuu want it to be. It's kind of a nonsense song about a boy whose father gave him a toy wlien he was a child. When the little boy grew up, he gave the toy to his own son and "it goes bump when it moves, pop when it slops and bnirr when it stands still. I never knew just iwhat it was and I guess I never will." Apparently you're supposed to use. your im- agination that's the point ol the song. Q. IVIicrc could our youlh club sell old newspapers and glass jars or bottles for :i money-raising project? I hoard Iherc was a sign company in Hrowmvaoit Hull buys glass I don'l know Ilic name a! the company. I'd like the name of a local company, though, it thevc is one. A. Abilene Waste Paper and Rag Compa- ny ul 517 N. 4lh is currently paying SI PIT pounds for newspapers. Dctler check with lhal company before you start colH'd- In Unit out exactly wlttl sort of papers they'll accept. one in Abilene Is accepting glass for recycling right now. You're- probably think- ing of Potter's Industries. Inc., in Brown- wood which uses recycled glass to make relleclive beads used in paint lor striping highways and highway signs. The company doesn't act as a collection point for glass anymore. Much of Hie glass turned in the wrong color, wrong type and dirly be- sides, thus Hie company couldn't use 11. Q.-Could'you find Arlslolle Onassls' address? Ids business address if possi- ble. A Two addresses arc listed in Who's IOCS Alevcav Avc., liuenos Aires, Avgen- tina, and in care of Olympic Maritime S.A., 17 Avenue de Monte Carlo, Monte Carlo, Monaco.' Q. 1 know that if I (eel a Hcallor has misled or taken advantage of me, I can contact the Hoard of Ileallors, but is (here someplace I can report an insur- ance man who misrepresents coverage? A. Yes. The State Board of Insurance in Austin takes a dim view of such doings. Address your complaint lo 1110 SJn Jacinto a man'will be sent out to investigate. Address questions to Aclion Line, Box 30. Abilene, 'i'cxas 79GIH. Names will not be used hul .questions must lie signctl and addresses given. IMeasc Include Icl- cphone numbers if possible. 2nd American Said Seized in Argentina Heavier Than a Fullback Bruce Bennett, a junior at Abilene Christian College and a linebacker o[ (he 1973 ACC National Championship football team, took on a steer in the opening day of the 10th Annual ACC Eocleo Thursday night and both Bennett and the sfecr turn- ed a complete flip after the struggle. (Photo by CarLer Hounsel) Calls for Revenge Interrupt Funeral for 18 Israelis IJy MAHCUS KLA1SON Associated Press Writer QIRYAT SIIMOKAH, Israel 18 Israeli victims of HID Arab terrorist massacre ,il Riryal Shmonah were bur- ied today in an emotional and unruly funeral interrupted by angry cries for revenge against the Arabs. Minister of Police Shlomo Hiller warned neighboring 1.0- iranon ol possible retaliation if the Arab guerrillas operating in southern Lebanon were not removed. II iiI I In- splinter Palestinian guerrilla group which claimed responsibility for Thursday's raid promised "more revolu- tionary suicide missions" .in Israel, and insisted on the right of Ihe guerrillas to cross -Ihe Lebanese or any Arab bor- der to strike in Israel. At Ihe same time, it denied the three terrorists who staged the at- tack infiltrated from Lebanon Finances Could Find Deep Water As o result of recent federal legislation, umvory homeowners here could find themselves in debt os well as in deep water if their homes are damaged by flood waters. Pp. IB. 9C 9D 8A 7C 4A 7B 63 9H 1-5C IOC 10B TV Log 58 Women's News 5.-3B Amusements Business Mirror Bridge............... Comics............. Edilunals Hospital Palicnls...... Obiluorfcs Sporls To Your GoaJ Hcolth Travel and said they had been in Is- rael for some lime prior lo the attack. "Thursday's operation was just the beginning of a new campaign of revolutionary vio- lence, revolnlionary suicide atlacks in Israel Tills cam- paign is aimed at blocking an Arab-Israeli peace settle- a spokesman tor tlie popular for the Libera- tion of PalMline-Gcneral Com- mand told a news conference in Beirut. The three Arabs slipped qui- etly inlo Qiryat Shmonah ear- ly 'Thursday and opened up with automatic weapons and a bazooka at Israeli civilians. Eight children, five woman and live men died in Ihe hail of gunfire. The three Arab ter- rorists also were killed. An csliinalcd throng of mourners flocked to Ihc town cemetery on a grassy knoll under ttie rim of a high mountain. Hillel lold the townspeople: "I want lo address Hie- terror- ists and say that our hand will reach them wherever they arc.-We will not lay down our swords until everyone is brought lo justice. "And you, the government of Lebanon, your blood will be on your head if you don't clean out Ihe nest of terrorists on your soil Beware, we liave warned you." Ilillel was repeatedly drowned out by catcalls from the mourners angry over what they charged was Ibe lack of security and hospital facilities. "Where were the police yes- Many cried. "We want security." The chief military chaplain, Maj. Gen. Mordechai Pirou, was forced to speed up his prayer for the dead as lie slood beside the coffins draped in the national colors of blue and while. "Re vcn chanted Ihe crowd. "We want the death penalty." Women sobbed and screamed and many gavfi the shrill Arabic cries reserved both for occasions of sorrow and joy. Most of the Qiryal Slimonali's population of are Jews who immigrated here from North Africa. At one point, a man grabbed the microphone and shoi'lcd: "Any Arab who comes into Qiryat Shmonah had better watch out." Several Hundred mourners broke through a security cor- don when a policeman guard- ing the area was overcome by cinolion and slood by helpless- Iv, lears streaming down his face. Piron called the Arab attack "insane bestiality" and said that "just as in Ihc Vom Kippur war, the Arab armies could not defeat us So we swear these gangs will not frighten us, demoralize us, uproot us or delroy us." CORDOIiA, Argentina (AP) Police said Ihc chief of the United Slates Information service in Cordoba kid- naped loday in a violent inci- dent. They identified him as Alfred Lauu. There was no im- mediate confirmation from the U.S. Embassy. A spokesman for Ihe police precinct in suburban Unquillo, about five miles from here, said about nine unidcnlilicil persons, including a woman, kidnaped'Laim from his. home. The Slale Department's Rio- graphic Register lisls an Alfred Laun III as 3S, and says he is from Wisconsin. A m e v i c a n oilman Victor. Saiuuelson is slill held Ar- gentine guerrillas dcspile. the payment of a record mil- lion for his release. Sainuel- san, 36, of Cleveland, Ohio, manager of an Esso refinery norlh of Buenos Aires, was kidnaped four months ago. Police said the kidnapers ar- rived at Laun's home in Iwo cars. They said they entered Laun's residence and immedi- ately subdued him. Laun ap- parently resisted and accord- ing to police was injured. A police official, without jiving furlhei' details, said Laun had a "powerful radio transmitter in his residence." The American Itobassy in Buenos Aires said it only had radio reporls about the kid- naping ami could, not give more details about Luan or his family. II is known lhat most Amer- ican Embassy and consular officials arc hooked together by a network of radio trans- mission facilities precisely for use in case of kidnapings or other serious incidents. The U.S. government has about 2CO Americans working in various projects through its embassy in Buenos Aires but Ihcro are few located iu the interior of Ihc country. Cordoba, a hotbed of Mlisl violence since 1969, is about 450 miles northwest of Uucnos Aires. Kissinger Sees No 1974 SALT Treaty Agreement WEATHER U.S. DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE Nalional Service Mop, Pg. B-D) ABM. CUE AND VICFNITY f4Q radrus) Fair today and lonrgfil, partly cloudy and a lilllc- cooler Saturday. Wcs1 lo norlrnvesl winds la To 15 mph, becoming nnhl c-iislcrly winds Saturday. Hlpfi IcJOV neflr EO, low lamghl near 50 and Ihe high In the upper 7Ci. Hiah and low lor It hours ending 9 a.m.: 75 ond 50. High end low same daft last year: H and J3. Sunset lost niglil: sunrise today: sunscl lanlghl: Hy KHNNETH .1. I'llKHI) Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON' (AP) Sec- retary of Slate Henry A. Kis- singer said today there "would not be a pennauenl agreement, this year" oil mi- cleai- strategic arms limila- lions v.'ilh the Soviet Union. In brief session with re- porters, the seci'elary said il ivas nucerlain the United Stales and the Soviet Union could chievc a partial agreement in strategic arms limitation talks. This was the strongest pub- lic statement by any adminis- tration figure casting doubt on the likelihood of a SALT Ircaty limiting offensive nucle- ar weapons systems bv the end of 1974. President Nixon last month said he expected to reach a SALT II agreement with .Mos- cow this year, Kissinger made his slale- inenf following a lira-hour breakfast at the Stale Depart- ment with Egyptian Foreign Minister Ismail Fahmy. Ac- cording lo the Egyptian lead- er, their discussion centered on the Middle East, parlicii- larly the efforts lo reach a military disengagement be- tween 'Syrian and Israeli Iroops iii the Golan Heights area. The cjiiesliou of SALT Is a central issue in laler meetings today between Kissinger, Pre- sident Nixon and Soviet For- eign Minis-Id- Andrei Gromy- ko. The .secretary said prior to Jirst session with GroiYiyko that they were likely, to discuss all the issues to ciinie up .during Presiuenl Nixon's expected .lime visit to Moscow, lie indicated SALT and the Middle East would be included. The Kissinger statement on Ibe lack of prospects for a permanent SALT treaty tliis year follows Ihc trend set by statements from very high Slate Department rfficials during and immediately fol- lowing the secretary's trip to the Soviel Union late last. month, Tliose officials said Ihe al- leinijl lo define Ihc issues in order lo negotiate a perma- nent selllcincnt had fallen short. Steel Workers, Industry Reportedly in Agreement WASHINGTON (AP) The United Sleel workers reached tentative agreement on a new contract for workers loday and took it io a committee of local officials for final approval, informed sources said. The pact reportedly pro- vides for wage increases loiai- ing more than 60 cents an hour over the next three years in addition lo a hefty package of fringe benefits. Steelworkei-s President I. W. Abel and H. Heath Larry, chief negotiator for the 10 ma- jor steel companies, bargained through Ibe night, breaking only for coffee and a brief nap, to iron nut the final con- Iract language. The union 's G50-mcmber basic Sleel Industry Confer- ence, representing some 800 locals, was called inlo session al the Shoreham The conference, which must rality any proposed contract, was scheduled lo meet Thursday night bill al the last minule Ihe meeting was postponed un- til today. Sources said the stce! agree- ment generally followed scllle- nicnts-earlier this year in the aluminum and can industries. Bolh of I hose contracts provid- ed wage increases of 2S ccnis Ilio, lirsl year, 16 cents the sec- ond and 17 ccnls the third. S'leelworkers rcporlcdly also won major improvements in Ihcir pension plan, which sources said will now permit full retirement al age 62 in- stead of 05. Slcelworkcrs currently aver- age about an hour. A formal announcement of Ihc pact was expected follow- ing the meeting of USW con- ference officials. Welfare 'Wealthy' May Meet Guidelines Slafl Photo bv Don Riakley RUSSKLI, SOUOERS CHECKS OUT CUSTOMKU load sUiujps used as money in stores JOE DACY II Iteiiorler-iVcws Slaff Writer The "wealthy" welfare recipient may be only meeting Federal guide- lines for the Taylor County Food "Stamp Program. One of the reasons why a food slamp recipient may be seen driving away with his groceries in an expen- sive" car is that food stamp investi- gators are required to ignore one car, one house on one lot, ot any value, in their determination of an applicant's assets. Local food stamp supervisor Linda Kclley shed more light on the prob- lem when she pointed out that cer- tain persons, especially the elderly, may aulhorize others to purchase the stamps or food for Uiem. M'SS KF.U.EV slid lhat as many as 10 per cent of food stamp partici- pants in the county may have other persons involved in transporting stamps ov food. A Iliird, less frequent possibility, she added, is the case of the worker who lias recently lost a good job and is lefl with his previous possessions lillle money. Finally, Miss Kellcy said Ihe local food stamp investigators are only re- quired lo verify an! applicant's in- come, and that they conduct a Ihor- ongh investigation only if the appli- cant himself creates some suspicion in Ihe mind of the case worker. THESE WORKERS, she said, arc trained in a three-week course to spot discrepancies in application (jueslions, inconsistencies in person- al interviews. A second safeguard, she said, lies wilh random checks made by Ihc quality control section of the Slale Welfare Depl., docs conduct thorough probes on a spot basis, similar lo Internal licvcuuc Service audits of lax returns. In fact, the food stamp program contains several similarities to the JRS. Applicants arc screened according to their lolal such as savings accounts, checking ac- counts, income, and other proper- ties. Thomas L. Cragen, director of the Slale Fnod Stamp Program in Aus- tin, explained lhat an eligible per- son's lolal resources may not ex- ceed For the elderly, those over C5, (he figure is "Then we have to determine the not Cragen said. 'f his net income is figured almost like an income lax return with cer- tain deductions for medical, educa- tional and tax cxpcndilurcs, day care fees, and other expenses, he silid. "What is left is the amount wilh which the client would presumably pay for his Cragen said. TUB CLIENT, however, must pay a certain amount for his stamps, depending on the amount of his net income and Ihc number of persons iri his household. Cragen said households were certified to receive food stamps as of March 1, 197-1, involving about persons. A family of four, for example, with a net income between lo would pay for in food stamps. The stamps, which must be pur- chased in person at tlic post office, arc then used "just like Cragen said, to purchase all kinds of food, excluding alcoholic beverages, paper products or utensils. In Ihc previous example, Hie in free food is called a Cragen explained. THIi AVKRACK lolal amount dis- tributed is S77.99 per month per household. Of Ih'is, an average of is in bonus stamps, Cragen said. Taylor County figures for IIic most recent month available, November, 1973, show that the total value of stamps distributed was wilh 5G-U83 as a bonus. Statewide, the November. ID71, figures involved households and persons al a cost of SI5.5 million in free stamps, S2-I million over all. On a yearly basis, Cragen said Ihe lolal output would be more lhan million, about two-thirds of that in bonus stamps. IN TAYLOR County, Miss Kclley said IICT office may sec as many as 60 persons a day, averaging about 25. There arc four pennanent work- ers on the staff and two temporary employes, she said. Miss Kelley said the recommend- ed work load is one client per hour per worker. There is a two-week wailing list for new applicants. lUore lhan half of the clients, she pointed onl, arc elderly persons. 'Eighty per cent ol them are nn so- cial security. Because of Ibis, and Ihc recent seven per cent increase in social security bencfils, more than 1350 cases have lo be re-evalualed soon, Miss Kcllcy said, Miss Kelley said she has received Ihree calls recently about abuses of the system, but these turned out lo be invalid, she said. One other alleged abuse which lias surfaced recently is that college stu- dents have applied for food stamps, allhough they arc fully supported by their parents. Miss Kcllcy, one of Iwo supervi- sors serving a M-county area, said income from parents must be count- ed as an asscl. She added that "quite a few" sln- dcnts from all three Abilene col- leges, participate in the food stamp program. AGAI.V. Till; investigalors musl rely, basically, on Ihe applicant lo provide accurate information. De- pending on how- much money a cli- ent steals from the program, he could be charged willi a misdemean- or or felony, she said. Additionally, all unemployed par- ticipanls between Ihc ages of 18 and 65 must apply for work wilh Hie Texas Employment Commission, she said. know we get taken some- she said, "ttut 1 feel people arc basically honest. We agree wilh Ihe system." ;
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Regarding your questions on my third question, the data for the shapefiles
and database files are taken from National Historical Geographic Information
System (NHGIS), which in addition to providing these also provides census
2000 data. The polygons do, I believe, have vertices, and they are of
varying sizes; this goes for tract polygons as well as county polygons. The
greater the population density the smaller the tracts/counties, the more
sparse the population the bigger the polygons. And, yes, I am trying to
calculate xy coordinates of the centroids to match the xy coordinates of
geocoded addresses of US postsecondary institutions. As I am not too
familiar with the various coordinate systems in use, I can't talk to that
issue. Suffice it to be shown that there is a huge discrepancy between
(-681360.7, 575246.7) and (-86.16864, 32.38251), and I don't know how to
make them equivalent in expression.
I hope this was a bit clearer than my previous post.
David Torres
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In the past decade, word of phishing has spread to the masses and many people have learned what to avoid and look out for. In addition, software has improved and there are now online defenses against phishing. Mass messages that once tricked a few percent of unsuspecting email users are now mostly caught in elaborate spam filters, never to be opened. And the ones that do make it through are usually far too vague or generally addressed for the average user to be fooled by it. Unfortunately, the same campaigns used to educate the masses have improved criminals techniques of stealing people's information. Phishing has evolved from a wide lazy net to more concentrated and tailored efforts against a specific group. This method is called spear phishing and is usually seen as a personalized attack against a known target or an attempt at impersonating a trusted company to fool any of their clients.
In the past few weeks there has been a new spear phishing attack sent out to Netflix subscribers and placed in fake ads. It then sends them to a fake login page that tells them their account has been suspended due to "unusual activity". It then provides a phone number for a "customer representative" that tries to convince you to download "Netflix support software" that is really a remote login program. Once fooled, Netflix users' information on their computer could easily be stolen and their contact lists could be sent the same phishing attack. This technique of posing as trusted companies has a higher success rate for scammers than traditional blanket phishing attacks, and can hurt companies' reputations. This type of attack is exactly what we want to educate the community about and put an end to. If you are contacted and information is requested by an unknown or untrustworthy source, send information to email@example.com for assistance.
Phishing isn't going to get any easier to prevent in the near future; spam filters may block a majority of it but with the sheer amount of attempts, people are bound to encounter it eventually. Be prepared and never trust a message just because it claims to be a company. Remember to always check the URL address of the website you're on and try to use a HTTPS secure connection whenever possible. If you want the most secure connection possible on each site, download HTTPS Everywhere here. Also, as a general rule never give out your personal information over the phone to someone you don't know and never download something that doesn't come from a good source. A quick search of the term "Netflix support software" would have told you about the scam. Always think before you click, especially during tax season, and we can all live in a safer online world.


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Are these sold out? If so are you getting any more?
Zeiss Orion 80/I (Fero Z51) Night Vision Scope with Mounts
Orion 80/I made by Zeiss/Eltro is a high-quality starlight night vision scope currently in use by the German Bundeswehr.
High-tech XX1211 and XX 1340 image intensifier tubes,
Flash protection capabilities,
Reticle adjusters,
Focus knob,
On/off button
Shade control knob,
Reticle brightness knob
Rubber protection cover.
Original Hard Storage Case
HK-made G3 claw mount with adapter plate,
MG3 Lafette tripod mount with adapter plate,
PzF 3/PzF 44 grenade launcher mount and a quick-change adapter attached to the scope. This adapter can be mounted on a Picatinny rail (not included) and if it is removed it can be attached directly to a Stanag mount or to the G3 claw mount minus the adapter plate for a low-profile sighting picture.
Mounting screw pack,
Manual in German.
Requires two 1.5 volt C-cell batteries (not included).
ANY C CELL BATTERIES WILL WORK US OR FOREIGN. Used in Very Good Condition..
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Are these sold out? If so are you getting any more?
Do you guys have at least one manual that can be copied and scanned?
Sold out.
Your in my Mind, and in my Sights
ok mine arrived today via fed ex,
large heavy box, everything is in the box except the manual, wish i had a original manual, the condition is excellent almost new even the case is in good shape, I will power it up tonight to see how it works
I did a little research on these last night AR-15.com has a great section on NVD's this unit is in the gen 1 class, but is better than the starlight PVS -2 so its really a Gen 1.5 not quite gen 2
this unit is very little campared to my PVS 4, plus its a zeiss
Thanks for the quick service
Sprat and sprat1 are one and the same.
Sprat, can you start a dedicated thread once you test it, so those of us interested folks will know whether to jump on the next batch? Assuming there is a next batch. Thanks in advance.
Enforcement, NOT Amnesty!!!!!!
"If theyre going to come here illegally, apply for & receive assistance through a corrupted Government agency encouraging this lawless behavior, work under the table & send billions of dollars each year back to their families in Mexico, while bleeding local economies dry, protest in our streets waving their Mexican flags DEMANDING rights, while I have to press 1′ for English, then they need to be shipped back to where they came from!" -Chad Miller
there is aready a thread here http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/zei...-scopes-63084/
I posted in the wrong thread
Sprat and sprat1 are one and the same.
I now have the english translated manual for this scope
e-mail me direct at email@example.com for your free copy
Sprat and sprat1 are one and the same.
very cool of Sprat to offer these manuals.... especially since the scope is available again thru Misty at Copes!
thanks Spratty~!
Hate takes LESS energy & thought... Dont be so Lazy.
Building or Bitching? which are you here to do?
YES, i work for TEC Tactical. 02/07 SOT
I also offered the manual to members over WG
Sprat and sprat1 are one and the same.


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i hate scions
This is a discussion on Oh snap, i/e tC smoked an STi within the Comparison: WRX vs World forums, part of the Community - Meet other Enthusiasts category; i hate scions...
Those time slips are priceless. 17.9 vs a WRX @ 14.1, and 17.8 vs a Ranger @ 16.7.Originally Posted by ramair18954
ribonucleic acid freakout
Originally Posted by hksimprezawrx
why do you hate them? Although the XA and XB are not the best looking cars they suit their intended purpose rather well. And the Scion tC, although not blazing fast is still a very respectable car considering it has very good build quality, cheap price, Manual trans, nice dash layout and unique styling that looks good both inside and out. Oh, and they get pretty good gas mileage for a mid 15sec car and considering their Toyota heritage I doubt they will be anything but extremely reliable.
It is one thing to dislike them or say they are not your cup to tea. But why do you hate them? Do you actually have a valid explaination to back that up other than "they are slow"
Just call me Clark Kent
Offical Body Guard for the Bugeye Mafia.
they are definately great cars, but no sti or wrx killers.
03silver wrx fpgreen stg4FMIC+272,272 cams++
Why am I not surprised!
....I had a little teenager the other day who kept slowing down to drop next to me and then he would floor it...did it over and over again. Only problem was I had a freakin car in front of me and my wife was in the car. If I every find that little shi$ on the Bypass here in Richmond again he better hope my wife is with me again and I am in traffic b/c I wont do that kinda crap with cars around or her in the car (unless she says go for it! ).
I think the cars themselves are perfectly fine. ( Except the Xb, looks like a rolling box )
What bothers me are those lame a$$ commercials that lead you to believe they could be street racers. So now you have a bunch of kids buying these cars, acting like morons, and wondering how to hook up the turbo-timer they just bought when their car isn't even turboed.
"Never Launched"
Dougie - Founder, 250,000 mile club
-5,000 posts
Originally Posted by hksimprezawrx
I hate them too. There all exteremly ugly especially the Xa and Xb which don't even look like cars. The Tc is ugly as well but at least it looks like a car. I don't really like toyota which is scions parent company and I really don't like the fact that it's basically maketed as a first car for kids. The car just screams "I'm a teenager and this is my first car".All its corny,ricey, ugly little add ons make it even worse.
I'm not a big fan of the cars, but I think the way they are being marketed is brilliant. I just wish Subaru offered that many accessories for our cars, along with the attitude. I wonder how many Scion drivers get hassled by the dealerships for modding their cars.Originally Posted by cavallino333
Originally Posted by Wade-0
Yeah, but who cares if you mod a $12,000 car with parts that basically do nothing for performance?
"Never Launched"
Dougie - Founder, 250,000 mile club
-5,000 posts
Not everyone is into performance. And kids who are getting their first cars shouldn't be either, IMHO.Originally Posted by timber
I agree 100%, and that's my point. The way that they market them on TV is the "Street Racer " image, and I think that's wrong.Originally Posted by Wade-0
"Never Launched"
Dougie - Founder, 250,000 mile club
-5,000 posts
all thanks to Fast and Furious
" I'm a bad man"
personally i wouldnt even be racing a tC on the streets anyways. they really werent created for racing like that LOL! hell i dont even race my WRX and im stage 2. i went stage 2 for my own enjoyment and to get more fun out of my car when i drive it.
2005 Nissan 350z roadsterOriginally Posted by BrianH
I can hit 10K more posts before a neon R/T will hit 60mph.
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Lake Biwa Mainichi Marathon, the all-time #3 Japanese collegiate time and all-time #9 Japanese debut. After briefly leading the race at 30 km on 2:06:55 pace he faded to 12th but came back to outkick Nairobi Marathon winner Ernest Kebenei and Daegu WC 7th and 8th placers Hiroyuki Horibata and Ruggero Pertile. Afterwards Deki told JRN about his race.
This was my marathon debut, so I wanted to give it a go and see how far I could make it. I ran keeping things under control in the first half. At 30 km I was running up in the lead pack and was really happy, and just for a second there I caught myself thinking about the Olympics.
But it didn't end up being that easy, and around 33 km the harshness of the marathon started to catch up with me. In the last 5 km I was targeting breaking 2:10, but I just missed it by a tiny bit. That was really disappointing. But considering that I only ran up to 30 km in my training I'm satisfied with this result.
On the other hand, as far as my future marathon career I could tell that if I trained more seriously I'd be able to be competitive, so this gave me a lot of confidence in that respect. Next month I start my senior year, so in my final Hakone Ekiden and the Olympics four years from now I want to use this experience to help me be my best. Thank you.
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