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Installing New Stereo Amp and Subwoofer in Jeep JK Wrangler (PART 1)
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Here is a description about installing a new head unit, amp, and subwoofer, in a Jeep JK Wrangler that is not equipped with the infinity system/amp. I suppose the installation will vary slightly depending on the year of your Jeep.
During my install of the new system, I referred to this forum a couple of times for help. I figured I'd try to summarize the entire process here to make it easier on anyone that wants the info.
First, this is not an advertisement for any particular equipment brand, manufacturer, or store. Shop in several different online stores for the best deal you can find. Consider how sales tax figures into the price in different states, etc.
The online store with the best prices I could find was Sonic Electronix in Valencia, California. http://www.sonicelectronix.com
I thought their prices were significantly lower than http://www.crutchfield.com (Sonicelecrtronix was about $70 cheaper for the same stereo). For example, I purchased the Pioneer 2300 DVD for
$279.00 from Sonicelectronix whereas it costs $349.00 from Crutchfield.
Pioneer AVH P2300 DVD $279.99:whistling:
I got this because I wanted a decent double-din head unit with the ability to upgrade to sirius, hd, and navigation, etc. It was a tough choice for me whether to go for the Alpine or the Pioneer, but I finally caved and got this one. To me it was imperative to find a head unit with RCA outputs on it. I probably would've kept the stock radio if it had RCA outputs.
American International CD-K642
(Double Din Install Kit) (Free with Purchase of Stereo):action-smiley:
I think I read that this install kit was a flimsy plastic brace and not as good as other ones. I could not find another install kit and this one was free with the stereo. It seems to be working just fine right now. If in the future the mounting bracket gives out, I'll definitely follow up on this message thread. The only thing I do not like about this bracket is that it protrudes slightly from the surface of the stereo leaving two small gaps on the front of the deck. This is hardly noticeable. Basically it's just not as flush with the surface of Pioneer 2300 as I would have liked.
Scosche CR04B / CR 04
(Wire Harness) (Free with Purchase of Stereo):action-smiley:
Works perfect.
Scosche VWA3 / VWA3B
(amplified antenna adapter) $9.99 :action-smiley:
Works perfect
Pioneer CD SB10
Connects to a pioneer head unit and the Sirius Tuner to control
the satellite radio. $69.99 (this seems to be the going rate on most websites) If you buy this and a Sirius tuner together, you will typically
save $10.00.
SIRIUS Universal Tuner SC-C1
$69.00 (this is the going rate) Again, if you buy this with the Pioneer CD SB10 in a kit, you'll save approximately $10.00
(I bought this a month ago for $69.00 at Fry's Electronics in Los Angeles. Later when installing this, I noticed that the box had a Fry's sticker on it indicating this was an open box item. :facepalm: However, there was no discount on the item for being used, opened, and possibly refurbished. Kind of a bummer coming from Fry's Electronics, but I still really like Fry's, although their car electronics section is not so amazing)
Fry's Home Electronics | Computer Parts & Accessories, Software, Games, TVs, Cameras - Frys.com
Kicker brand truck enclosure with 10'' subwoofer 300w peak150w rms.
From BestBuy ($149.99 in-store). I find this speaker to be ok for now. I'm not expecting the highest sound quality from a loud rugged Jeep with a canvas top. Plus the truck enclosure box seems to be a decent solution for the limited cargo space of a JK (if you keep the back seat in).
I am not a big fan of buying anything from Best Buy. So this was more of an impulse purchase. I'm sure I could have saved about $50 by buying this online from sonicelectronix, crutchfield, or amazon.com. I don't want to look it up though, because I know I got jacked. I do not recommend buying any type of car audio equipment from Best Buy, it's generally overpriced. :facepalm: Always compare it to Amazon.com. Amazon's prices were on average 50$ - 200$ cheaper depending on the product (especially amplifiers). The one thing you might consider from Best Buy is taking all of the equipment into them and having them install it in your Jeep. Just don't buy the equipment from them. This install was somewhat time consuming for me. But if you're like me and want a small project to work on to decompress after the stresses of the day-job, here's how I installed mine:
[Note All Prices in this message are from March 2011. Also, I already had a 500 watt Sony Xplod amp leftover from my 1997 Jeep Cherokee. This amp is nothing to brag about. It's ugly and I'm sure other amps would produce better results. I'm content with it for now, but when I get some extra cash to waste, I'll switch out this amp.]
Miscellaneous Wires:
Long Power Wire (20') with Fuse (The gauge you need depends on how many watts/amperes your amplifier is and how long your cable is). Check out this chart from Crutchfield.com that can help you determine what gauge is correct for you. Cable Gauge Chart
Short Power Wire (Length and gauge will vary). You will likely need some type of power wire that will power up your head unit. The JK wire harness does not deliver the correct power (at least this is true for the 2007 JK). Therefore you will need some type of power wire that connects from the red lead on the back of your head unit to the fuse panel or to the cigarette lighter). This is discussed in greater detail below.
Ground Wire (3')
Remote Lead Wire (20') (This wire will send a signal to turn your amplifier on when your head unit is on).
RCA cables (15-20')
Speaker Cables
Tap connectors ($1.99), and dozens of wire connectors ($4). You can pick up the Tap-in squeeze connectors from Radio Shack. Part no. 64-3053 (the red ones for 22 to 18 gauge wires).
Ok here's how I installed it:
1. Disconnect the negative battery terminal before working on the vehicle
2. Install the 20' power cable directly from the positive terminal of the jeep's battery to the location of the amplifier. You should be careful in choosing the appropriate gauge for this power cable. In order to choose the correct cable, you need to know how many watts your amplifier is. Most wiring kits have a chart on the back that help you select the appropriate cable/gauge. There should also be a fuse on the cable (fuse installed close to the battery end of the cable, not the amp's end). The battery is on the passenger side of the JK, feed the power wire through the hole in the firewall before attaching it to the battery. A wire hanger will help you poke a hole in the firewall port. This port is located next to the passenger side door. You need to remove the side panel of the passenger side dashboard. This should snap off without the need to unscrew anything. You will see a small port plugged up with a hardened foam. Poke a hole through the foam with the wire hangar. Push the hangar all the way through to the other side. You will see the hanger come out near the hood's passenger side hinge. Tape your power wire to the end of the hanger with electrical tape. Pull the hangar back out now. The wire should be out on the other side now. Pull the wire down to the floor. You can tuck this wire under the carpeting and floor panels so you have a nice and clean install. Feed it all the way to the location of your amp. I put my amp behind the back seat. Eventually you will plug this wire into your amp and connect it to the positive terminal of the Jeep's battery.
Attachment 40585
(Here the blue cable runs off the battery's positive terminal, and around the right side of engine, into the firewall. Although you cannot easily discern it in this photo, there is a fuse installed in this wire about 8 inches from the positive terminal)
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(The blue cable now comes out of the firewall port filled with foam)
2. Install a ground wire from a grounded part of the Jeep to your amp. I installed my ground wire behind the gate latch. I removed the latch, scratched some paint off behind it, and attached the wire to one of the latch screws and screwed it all back together. This worked fine as a ground but forces the gate to squeeze in more tightly when opening/closing it. I'd avoid that if you can. Regardless, find a good ground location near your amp. You're probably much better off unscrewing one of the bolts holding in the back seats and placing the ground wire there. Make sure to scratch off any paint so that the ground connects to metal.
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(Here you can see a black ground cable coming out of the latch)
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3. Remove the glove box. Just open it, and squeeze the left side and right side of it, it pops right out.
4. Remove the lid on top of the radio and bezel/front panel around the stock radio. Here's some good pictures on how to do this: Removing JK Dash - JeepForum.com
On the lid atop the stereo, you need to place a small flat head screwdriver inside one of the lid's corners closest to the windshield. Then pop out the two clips holding it in place. Then remove the entire lid. To remove the front panel, first remove the bottom panel behind the 4 wheel drive shifter. This snaps out with screwdriver and is held in with plastic clips. Once this is removed, there are two bolts on the bottom of the panel/bezel that you need to unscrew. Then there are two on the top where the lid was. Remove these four bolts and the bezel/panel will come out just far enough to replace the stereo. You do not need to fully disconnect this panel from the cigarette lighters, hazards, a/c controls, etc... You just need to pull it back far enough to remove the radio.
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(Here's what it looks like with the top panel/lid removed)
5. Remove the radio. There are four bolts holding it in place. Remove them. The radio will pull out. Unclip the wiring harness on the rear of the stereo, unclip the antenna adapter, and if your stock radio has satellite or any other features, unclip those wires as well. Completely remove the stock radio and sell it on ebay or save it as a backup. I'm selling mine, 064421AF RES CD MP3 AM/FM SIRIUS on ebay: STEREO SIRIUS 08 DODGE JEEP CHRYSLER RES CD AM FM SAT - eBay (item 290543087736 end time Apr-07-11 16:51:17 PDT)
6. Now, this is where it gets a little tricky. If you are installing a larger, double-din stereo... place it in the mounting brace/bracket and slide it in to see whether it fits (the Pioneer 2300 was too deep to fit into the cavity). But that's no problem. You just need to make a minor :crash2: adjustment to get these larger/deeper head units to fit properly. remove the steel bracket from the back of the cavity. It took me about 45 minutes to an hour to remove it. I read postings on this forum and other sites that discuss removing it. I've noticed that some people recommended using a hacksaw or a sawzall (makes me want to say sizzaaaalllll for ma' car stiizzzzaireeeeo) to cut through the bracket to facilitate its demise. I didn't have these tools available. I unscrewed all the bolts (difficult location and some wire snakes are attached to them). There should be two bolts at the bottom and two on the overhead top (if I remember this correctly). Once you remove these bolts you'll need to bend the steel somewhat in order to maneuver the bracket out of the cavity. I was able to bend the bracket and force it to the right side, then twist and bend out the left side while pulling it forward. Eventually I was able to work it out completely. Kind of like extracting a loose tooth. Just keep wiggling it for an hour or two. This is the most frustrating part of this install. Once you're able to remove this, you're good to go. (I think I read somewhere that this bracket does not exist on certain JK models--lucky you!).
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(The infamous steel bracket that was installed by the manufacturer to support the stock radio. It's tough to remove it but necessary in order to provide enough room to install larger head units. One user commented that his hands still hurt, even the day after he removed it. I didn't believe it would be that rough, I had the same experience, but the pain went away faster with Wellbutrin extended release).
7. Now that the bracket is out of the way, feed the RCA cables and Remote Wire from inside the cavity down to the driver's side under the steering column. There is a small panel that snaps off under the steering wheel that makes it easier to feed the wires through. Also the side panel on the driver's side snaps off.
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You should feed the RCA and the Remote lead/wire through this side of the vehicle because the audio cable should be run on the side of the vehicle opposite to the side you run the power cable from the battery to the amp (Note: in this photo the remote lead/wire I used is colored red because it's the only color I had available. It is not the stereo or amp's power cable. The RCA cables are grey).
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This reduces potential line noise and interference that will leak out of the power cable and into the RCA cable if they are run next to each other. Tuck these wires under the carpet and door frame and run them to the location of your amp. Again, in this photo the remote lead is colored red because it's the only color I had left (normally this cord should be blue or blue/white).
8. If you're installing a satellite tuner and/or adapters, hd adapters, etc... this is a good time to mount these components and feed those wires through to the stereo cavity. I found a small opening behind the glove box, behind the air bag, and above the vents where I was able to cleanly install the pioneer sirius control adapter SB10 and Sirius tuner SC-C1. I simply placed velcro in the slot and velcroed (spelling??) these units in. You attach the satellite antenna to the SC-C1, and run the cord that comes with the Sirius tuner to the SB10. Now, run the SB10's cord from the SB10's OUTPUT to the stereo cavity (later you will plug this in to the back of the head unit). If you mistakenly plug this in to the SB10's input, the Sirius stations will display on your head unit but you will not hear any audio and will later need to reverse the wiring. Trust me, I learned the hard way. Therefore it's important that you place the cord in the SB10's output.
9. Now, you need to run a power wire to the stereo cavity that will power the head unit. I tapped into the positive power wire from the driver's side cigarette lighter. This option made it easy because the driver's side cigarette lighter is turned off when the vehicle is off. To do this, run a short wire from the stereo cavity to the cigarette lighter.
Attachment 40593
Use a tap connector to do this. Radio Shack. Part no. 64-3053. You place the cigarette lighter positive lead into the tap connector, and the wire that will power your head unit into the tap connector, then crimp it shut and you're good to go. I like the tap connector because it's easier than cutting the wire and splicing it. Make sure you use the appropriate gauge power wire from the tap connector to the stereo head unit. Also, I'm sure there are several other better ways to power the head unit but I'll defer those options to expert opinions. I suppose connecting into the cigarette lighter could present several problems, including possible line noise. There should be a fuse in the power wire connecting the head unit to the cigarette lighter wire.
10. Now you need to install a satellite radio antenna (if you want satellite radio). If I'm not mistaken the sat antenna is installed on the passenger side of the roll cage, hidden inside the padding. If your JK isn't already equipped with the sat antenna... consider placing it in the padding of the roll cage, facing the sky, and bringing the wire through the right passenger side of the dashboard, behind the glove box, and into the stereo cavity or just keep it behind the glove box area for now. If like most of the better head units, that don't have a satellite tuner built in, you'll need to route the antenna to the back of the satellite tuner box. I installed mine behind the glove box. On a side note, I've read that some JK owners have placed the satellite antenna on the front hood of the JK. I suppose the best placement for your sat antenna will depend on what you have installed on top of your JK, hard top, luggage racks, etc... things that might obstruct the antenna. Also, if you plan on mounting the sat antenna on the hood of the JK, you'll need to feed the wire through the firewall. I'm not sure whether it's a good idea to route the sat antenna wire through the foam firewall opening on the passenger side if you are also running your amp power cable through it (this might cause interference? but this is not how mine is setup, so I'll defer to someone else on this point).
11. Plug in the AM/FM Scosche VWA3 / VWA3B amplified antenna adapter to the end of your JK's antenna wire located on the right side of the stereo cavity.
12. Now, get comfortable and use a desk or table to install the Scosche CR04B / CR 04 wiring harness to the back of the new stereo head unit. You will need several wire connectors. Use a wire stripper to strip the tips of the wires on the wiring harness (if they're not already stripped) A 22-20 or 18 gauge stripper and crimper are needed (I like the way that sounded). The appropriate gauge may vary. Match all of the wire colors on the harness to the wire colors from the back of your new head unit and connect them one by one with the appropriate size wire connectors.
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11. Now it's time to put the new head unit into the JK. Make sure the install kit brace/bracket is installed on the new head unit (I used the one from American International listed above). Place the new head unit near the stereo cavity and start hooking up all the appropriate wires.
Plug the wiring harness into the JK's wiring harness. Then push these wires off to the left rear side of the stereo cavity to make room for the stereo. Make sure to connect the remote lead to the wire you previously fed into the stereo cavity in Step 7.
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Also, connect the RCA cables to the output of your head unit. Next, plug in the controller cable from the SB10 to the back of the head unit. And plug in the standard AM/FM antenna adapter (scosche) cord. You'll also connect the red power wire (with fuse) to the power wire you tapped into the cigarette lighter in Step 9. Make sure your stereo is properly grounded. I plugged the ground into the jeep's wiring harness ground.
12. This is a good time to plug in your amplifier, positive, remote lead, ground, and RCA cables. Read your amplifier's instruction manual for the proper settings. Run speaker wires from the amp to your subwoofer.
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(This is the hideous looking Sony Xplod Amp. Please note that the remote lead wire I used is colored red, because I only had red wiring left over. Normally a remote lead wire should be blue or blue/white.... consult your head unit's instruction manual for the proper color coding...do not confuse this with the amp power cable. Also the thicker blue cable in this photo is the power cable from the JK's battery... This picture is not a good example of proper wire color coding).
13. With everything plugged in, it's time to reconnect the JK's battery to see if this setup is working right. Turn the JK on. See if you're getting power to the head unit and amp.
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(Oh yeah we got power! And I'm listening to Area on Sirius, that's why I needed bass in the first place)
Test to see if the subwoofer is working.
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(Sound's great!) :whistling::whistling::whistling:
Make sure to test each individual speaker as well to make sure that you connected the wiring harness properly. Once everything checks out, turn off the JK and unplug the negative terminal from the battery. Screw the head unit in with four bolts. Snap the bezel/panel back in place, put the four bolts back into it. Snap the bottom panel in, etc.... etc... Make sure to secure your amplifier and subwoofer so they don't fly around while you're off road. :facepalm:
Troubleshooting: If you're having issues such as no power, no audio, etc... make sure to double check all of your wiring. If a connector is loose this could be the problem. Also, if your grounding wires on the head unit and/or the amp aren't installed properly this could be the problem. If your head unit works but the amp doesn't, check to make sure the remote lead wire is connected properly, make sure the fuses are not blown on the amp or in the power cable. You can use a multimeter on DCV 10-20 to check the power cable from the battery. Place the positive probe on the positive cable connecting to the amp and negative probe on good metal ground location on the Jeep. It should read at around 11-15. If the positive is working, then move the negative probe to the negative wire connected to the amp while the positive probe is still on the positive cable connecting to the amp, then recheck it. If you do not get a reading, then the amp isn't grounding properly.
Note: There's probably some details that I forgot to include. Also, I'm not liable for any problems, damage, or fires you cause to yourself, your jk, or your equipment. Use this information at your own peril. I'm just trying to supply some tips on what worked for me.
Here's a color coding chart I found on other websites that may be useful to you, this was originally posted on another jk forum by a user named IndianaJeep. :thumb: This was helpful to me, so here you go:
Car Radio Battery Constant 12v+ Wire: Red
Car Radio Accessory Switched 12v+ Wire: The radio harness does not provide a switched power source. Run a wire to the fuse box or steering column for switched power.
Car Radio Ground Wire: Black
Car Radio Illumination Wire: N/A
Car Stereo Dimmer Wire: N/A
Car Stereo Antenna Trigger Wire: N/A
Car Stereo Amp Trigger Wire: N/A
Car Stereo Amplifier Location: Behind the Drivers Side Under the Dash Near Steering Column.
Car Audio Front Speakers Size: N/A
Car Audio Front Speakers Location: N/A
Left Front Speaker Positive Wire (+): Gray/Violet
Left Front Speaker Negative Wire (-): Gray/Yellow
Right Front Speaker Positive Wire (+): Dark Green/Violet
Right Front Speaker Negative Wire (-): Dark Green/Yellow
Car Audio Rear Speakers Size: N/A
Car Audio Rear Speakers Location: N/A
Left Rear Speaker Positive Wire (+): Gray/Light Green
Left Rear Speaker Negative Wire (-): Gray/Dark Green
Right Rear Speaker Positive Wire (+): Dark Green/Light Green
Right Rear Speaker Negative Wire (-): Dark Green/Light Green
Goodluck. Hope this helps you.
:eek: I wonder how Alan Jackson sounds on that setup...
Awesome. Why not just use the PAC 127C2RCHY4 wire harness for the Jeep. It retains all the original features of the stock harness and wires match up for accessory, dimmer, etc.The radio install is somewhat easy but wait until you have to replace the stock crap front speakers on the drivers side.
I didn't use the PAC wire harness for a couple of reasons. The first reason was it costs $71 on amazon.com; $89 at Sonic Electronix; $129 at Crutchfield; and $139 MSRP... and you still have strip and splice all the wires on the harness to your new head unit. This product is probably important if you have a factory amp/infinity system installed and want to keep using it. I didn't have a factory amp in my JK, so buying the PAC didn't provide me with any benefit and the scosche wire harness (retail $3-$9) came for free with the stereo. I also read that the PAC adapter does not let you adjust level to the rear speakers. I read another review on amazon from a customer that said the PAC unit shorted out his cam-buss system and that PAC was not interested in helping him but Amazon went ahead and sent him a new one while PAC left him high and dry. To PAC's credit, he said the new one is working fine now. (Cost him $350 for towing and diagnostics). In the end who knows whether the PAC unit actually caused the short. Amazon.com: B. engen "Test Subject"'s review of PAC C2R-CHY4 Radio Replacement Interface f...
Also I noticed extremely mixed reviews about several different PAC adapters. I suppose the benefits to this adapter are that it taps into the data-bus to detect the parking brake wire, reverse trigger, speed, illumination, steering wheel controls, mopar gps systems, uconnect, and etc... If you have those features and you want a way to retain them, it looks like it would be helpful. Pac-Audio.com Product Details | iPod Integration for your car and More by Pac-Audio - Connecting you to the future
One thing that caught my eye from Pac was the AOEM-CHR3 amplifier intergration interface... plugging this into your factory radio would give you RCA outputs. This was only $53... I bet you can get a better price by shopping around more too...(rather than buying a whole new radio). But I still prefer getting a head unit with its own RCA outputs on it to minimize distortion.
Good information LA. So are you saying for all those Jeep owners that have the base stereo system with no amp or sub and want to replace the Head unit with aftermarket that they do not need the PAC? Most Stereo installers and sites like CF always tell you you need this PAC for Jeep and with out it you can damage your electronics CAN BUS.I believe that this is not true just to scare you into purchasing the expensive PAC harness. I did and installed it but I would like to know for sure that I really didn't need it but do not want to try it without it. Just want to help others with the base radio to feel confident they can buy aftermarket without the PAC.
As applied to non-infinity (factory amp installed systems) I'm confident in what I did. To my understanding, none of the wires I installed are linked to the can bus or should affect it in any way. However, I'm certainly no expert in electronics or wiring. I'd have to defer to someone else on this one.
If you check out sonicelectronix.com they recommend the Scosche C04B /CR 04 for non infinity/non amplified for the 2007 Jeep Wrangler.
If by some whim this setup damages my can-bus, I'll let you know right away.
Awesome Job on explaining this! You've got me interested in that head unit. How would say the new head unit is? It looks pretty flush and stock looking from your picture. If you just had any advice on this head unit or any other thing I should be aware of let me know! Once again, great job on this write up
Best post yet on this topic, should be stickied on front page. Please update status on canbus system without pak module. If scosche harness works you have made my day complete.
Great write up - thanks!
I am assuming this setup remains the same for 2012 JKU's? Did the connectors change or stay the same? I would like to get the PAC adapter rather than buy a whole new HU since I already have an amp.
I installed the PAC with my new stereo. Never could get it programmed. Will have to try again next week.
Does anyone know if I got the PAC adapter in the link I added here, would it work with my stock radio (non-Infinity) in regards to having the same harnesses? Did the connectors from the older JK's stay the same as the new 2012 JK's? Thanks for any input.
PAC AOEM-CHR3 (aoemchr3) System Interface Kit to Add or Replace
Great Thanks!!
This Helps a lot
Does anyone know how to do this with the stock head unit?
Good timing, I was just about to pick-up a Pioneer AVH-P2400BT. Thanks for the info!
Great job!
Just installed my Kicker Stage 3 system this weekend. I'll also post some pics when I have a chance.
Extremely pleased- all equipment was designed for the Jeep so wiring harnesses connect right up and brackets for amps mount right to the interior of the dash. Total plug and play so CAM-BUS issues are avoided. Stage 3 includes sub amp, 4 channel amp, replacement speakers for front and sound bar & 10 " sub. The system, for lack of a more eloquent way to put it- kicks a**. I can now crank up to volume 30 with no distortion. You pay a lot more than the listed set-up however- just posting an an alternate for those who dont want to tackle all the wiring.
Kicker tested the Jeep factory head unit at a whopping 4 watts per channel. Therefore surprisingly just replacing the amp. made a significant difference even with the stock speakers. I mention this because some people have posted that their after-market speakers didn't sound much better. Unless you replace the head unit or amp. as Los Angeles mentions- you won't hear much of a difference.
Where did you mount your amp??
I mounted my amp under passenger seat with a bracket I fabricated so it stays off the floor. The PAC AOEM CHR3 was only $34 shipped and made install a breeze. Thanks for the great write-up. This is the harness I used on my 2012 JKU:
Pac Aoem CHR3 Add Radio Amp Amplifier Integration Interface Chrysler Dodge Jeep | eBay
Hi I purchase a aftermarket sony stereo XAV-601BT for my 09 jeep wrangler. Then purchased a scosche factory stereo replacement interface selected for 04 and up hooked every thing up color to color put in back in and nothing. Please someone tell me what I'm doing wrong or still need to buy thanks
2010 JK.Just picked up everything i need for my upgrade starting from the sub,speaker,amp all the way to the wires needed.My concern is the stock enclosure for the 8" subwoofer.Im replacing it with a 8" sub from Kicker.Ive read it should fit in the stock enclosure,im hoping.Also,the stock enclosure will not do the sub any favors because its made of plastic rather than wood or fiberglass and my best bet is to goto town on the inside with some dynomat and i should be ok.Anyone been in this position? If i get a chance after the install ill post pics of everything installed and an update of how it all came out incase anyone new to this kinda stuff needs a few pointers.Safe driving ya'll!
does n e one know about sub box on tail gate
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Awesome!!! I'm glad to see the snubs getting a lot of love lately. I believe they have a ton of merit in CC and get overlooked by new shooters because they aren't perceived as being "cool." I guess movies and TV have influenced popularity of the semi-autos, but to me there's nothing cooler than a revolver...especially a short barreled one.
I have an old S&W 649 and a Ruger LCR I often carry. I normally carry a Glock 27, but 30+ years ago, I usually carried wheel guns. I still have my first revolver, a Ruger Speed Six 2 3/4" 357 magnum.
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Today Hosking announced that, after taking a six-month break to travel and decide her future, she is retiring from international rowing at the relatively young age of 27, and will begin a training contract with Freshfields to become a lawyer.
"I knew I'd have to make a big decision, post London. On reflection I put so much of my life - all of my life - into my sport, and I was almost possessed by the goal," said Hosking at Dorney, where she was announcing her role as ambassador for this weekend's Rowing World Cup.
"I don't feel I have the levels of motivation to want to do it all again. I feel very complete, this is very much on my terms, there's no pang of regret."
The daughter of a world champion rower, Hosking started the sport aged 14, winning a silver medal at her first junior world championships in 2003. She joined the national team at 20, when she moved into a bronze-medal winning senior quad only weeks after winning the under-23 lightweight singles title, and while still in the middle of a physics and chemistry degree at Durham.
She holds a total of 17 FISA rowing medals and, together with Copeland, will go down in history as the first British lightweight oarswoman to win a championship title in an Olympic-class event.
"We've given [the other lightweights] someone to follow, which we never had. There had been so much talk about there never being a [women's Olympic rowing] gold medal, and now there's been three, people think "why not, why can't it be me?'
"I wanted to take some time to really think about [my future] and make sure I was making the right call. I'm really motivated, in the same way I was by rowing, about starting a career and becoming a lawyer. When I went rowing full time I really did miss using my brain. You're constantly thinking about rowing and analysing things but in a different way."


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Rotorua downhill mountain bikers will look to get one back off the British riders in round two of the New Zealand Mountain Bike Cup series at Mt Hutt today.
The opening round of the series at Bluff last weekend saw the elite men's and women's races won by visiting British riders, Bernard Kerr and Jess Stone; both of whom will be on the start line in Canterbury.
Lousi Hamilton and Desmond Curry were the best of the Rotorua riders, finishing third and eight respectively. The pair were followed by senior men's rider Steven Pattle 25 (overall) and under-19 men's riders Lawrence Cawte 17th, Keegan Wright 30th and Andrew Pittams 76th. In the under-17 men's division Nathan Sanders finished 70th, Rhys Pittams 74th and Jack Hale 83rd. Master men's rider Nigel Robinson finished 81st.
Christchurch rider Amy Laird will be racing in her home town, following a third placing at Bluff last weekend, and will hope local knowledge can give her the edge.
"I just think I need to do pretty much the same as last time but keep it clean this time. I had a crash on the second corner in Bluff so just need to fix that," said Laird.
The 30-year-old has a great amount of respect for her competitors and is optimistic but realistic about her chances of winning.
"Jess Stone is over from England and is probably by far the favourite. She's a top 10 World Cup rider who is down here for our summer's racing,"
Laird's fiance Cam Cole will also be in action this weekend in the elite men's race, having finished second behind British rider Kerr at Bluff, and will be hoping to go one better.
"We always have little competitions amongst ourselves, like if I finish within a minute of his time then I win. I normally set the time so that I just beat him which really frustrates him," said Laird.
"He's really good to ride and race with. I've learned a lot from him, especially since he's so calm and collected when he's racing."
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By Scooter Hobbs / American Press
Overheard in the lobby before Les Miles addressed the now semi-annual LSU Tiger Tour at L'Auberge Tuesday night, spoken by an obvious fan:
"I'm afraid this could be another 10-2 season."
Mind you, it was muttered, not with excitement, not with typical LSU bravado, but somewhat with resignation.
As in … not much of a parade this year.
And this guy was old enough to remember LSU's lost decade of the 1990s when 10-2 seemed like a pipe dream.
So that's what Miles was dealing with in this Golden Age of LSU football. That's the monster he has nurtured with the Tigers, where anything less than a national championship is only barely tolerated and anything less than an SEC title is considered a waste of time.
Even with Alabama in the same division — maybe especially with Alabama as an archrival.
Sky-high expectations — often bordering on unrealistic — has always been one of real charms of that special species known as the LSU fan.
Miles' eyes were wide open when he took the job, and it hasn't gotten any easier with the success he's had.
But it wasn't really so tough a crowd inside Tuesday night — it's still April, after all. But even if it had been, we'll probably never know.
Miles can be a funny guy. As we know, he has his quirks, his puzzling turns of a phrase, his occasional need of a translator for an adopted state that sometimes strays from the King's English.
It has potential for comical Q&A.
So there was a packed ballroom of eager LSU fans who surely had some pertinent questions, maybe some pointed ones too.
They paid good money for this. Miles gets paid much better money to put up with this stuff. The alums anted up some more in an auction. There were in a good mood.
They also couldn't get a word in.
This event would be so much better if LSU would just trust Les to be Les.
Instead, like so many big institutions these days, the school seems obsessed with controlling the information flow.
Gordy Rush, former co-host of one of the best postgame college football radio shows in the country, is an able interviewer. Which is fortunate because he was the only one in the ballroom who got to question Miles.
Rush does a good job, and give him credit for bringing the pesky Jeremy Hill situation to Miles' attention.
There was a separate room set aside for local media to pepper Miles with questions, so this isn't a personal complaint.
But we media get Miles all year.
So what's the harm in letting fans and alums have a chance to fire one up at their head coach?
In the past, Miles always handled that part well. But in recent years, the audience seems expected to remain just the audience and lap up whatever LSU decides to dish out.
Believe me, Miles could handle them.
It's basically preaching to the choir anyway.
One of the biggest ovations of the night responded to the word that Tiger Stadium's new south end zone upper deck, built above the club suites, will include a convenient upper-upper-deck to stash visiting fans.
When asked to address the fact that his top running back, Hill, has been suspended indefinitely, courtesy of the misdemeanor charges that arose from his part in an off-campus lounge dust-up last weekend.
"He will be separated him from this team and allow him to work through what are his issues," Miles said, sounding as annoyed and frustrated as the fans who've wondered all weekend how you fix stupid.
Miles probably spoke for the entire room when he related the conversation he had with Hill, the Tigers' leading rusher last year, along with his parents and minister.
"I asked him what his grade point was?" Miles said. "He said 3.2 (GPA). I said, how can you be such a good student, be such a good player, and not have it all together? What put you in this situation?"
Miles said Hill told him, "Coach, I'm going to fix that situation."
"I like that answer," Miles said. "I told him you do your business, you communicate with me along the way, and let's see how it goes."
Miles had a ringside seat in New York last week, commentating for the NFL network, which afforded him the perfect view to watch his defense disappear before his very eyes.
Six starters went in the first three rounds — which has never happened to any school before — and when the pros were done picking him clean, he'd lost nine underclassmen.
"That's what our players are supposed to do," he said proudly before the event, sounding like an overzealous Little League daddy. "That's the kind of players we bring to LSU.
"We've got more of them waiting their turn."
That's what they wanted to hear.
• • •
Scooter Hobbs covers LSU athletics. Email him at firstname.lastname@example.com
Posted By: Pierre Rochon On: 5/4/2013
Title: Just Sports no POLITICS
Bill will all due respect to u my fellow LSU fan - But please can we leave Obama and Politics out of this? This is after all - A SPORTS forum - Thanks
Posted By: tim giles On: 5/3/2013
Title: stupid is is as stupids says
when was reading recruits palms part of a coaches resume? and I have long wondered how some of my fellow fans can call them fans when they are ripping the program that most of us are working so hard to build !
Posted By: tim giles On: 5/3/2013
Title: MY man Miles
LSU and Les are great match a lot of us fans are very irritable , but he calms us down with wins and we travel with MIles for our our saturday smiles ,which we will remember long after coach is retired !
Posted By: Chip in WA On: 5/3/2013
Title: Good stuff
Another enjoyable read from Scooter Hobbs who is a unique writer in that what he writes almost always is interesting to Tiger fans in particular and often to most any college football fan. Thanks, Scooter for another installment.
Posted By: Chance R. On: 5/3/2013
Title: No trust for Miles?
I bet all will be forgiven when Miles downs Bama, wins the SEC and National titles this coming season. No bandwagon fans needed here!
Posted By: Bill Snider On: 5/3/2013
Title: Always worrying about someone else
It would seem that there is never an article written about LSU, unless Alabama is being mentioned. As a tiger fan I can tell you that I could care less what Alabama is doing. It's beginning to be similar to the Obama syndrome where you see his face on tv every night.
Posted By: curt savoy On: 5/3/2013
Title: mr
I remember the old days (late 40s----) and i am proud of our program our program and wish we could win a nc every year,but 10-2 is ok by me as long as we beat the right teams--ala. ole miss lol
Posted By: Jack gates-LSU tiger in 59,60,61 &62 On: 5/3/2013
Title: Good or Bad??
Scooter-I hope more of the same concerns only winning nine or ten games each year rather than more LSU football players in trouble with the law and making the front page by getting arrested. I think Coach Miles needs to examine the character of his possible recruits before wasting a scholarship. There was a time when a tiger alumnus didn't have to be ashamed of the program.
Posted By: bob turner On: 5/2/2013
Title: how you fix stupid.
In the article it was was written "how you fix stupid." I know many a fan has wondered this about Miles


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I think if you pull your weapon you should be the first to call 911.
This is a discussion on Pulled Firearm Now What??? within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Lets say you are in a situation where you pulled your ccw to stop a BG and when he sees the pistol he drops his ...
Lets say you are in a situation where you pulled your ccw to stop a BG and when he sees the pistol he drops his weapon and runs the other way.
Now what should you do at this time, call the police to let them know what happened, to give your side of the story before the BG does or a bystander that only saw half of what really happened?
Basically to cover your butt.
What would you do???
I think if you pull your weapon you should be the first to call 911.
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
~Benjamin Franklin
In this case not only because you pulled your gun, but because now there is an orphaned "weapon" lying on the ground that you probably don't want to take home and don't want to leave on the ground for a kid to come across.
eschew obfuscation
The only thing that stops bad guys with guns is good guys with guns. SgtD
Agree - Call 911 and tell your side of the story first.
If you draw you call
It should be one of the rules of CCW
A real man loves his wife, and places his family as the most important thing in life. Nothing has brought me more peace and content in life than simply being a good husband and father.
It would seem that if the scene were safe, standing over the orphaned firearm would be prudent, letting the LEO deal with it.
But if the scene were dangerous and you decide to leave (on your way to rendezvous with LEO to give your report, I assume), do you take the weapon? Or do you let the 911 operator talk you through that? And what if the 911 operator tells you to stay and you're convinced it would be unhealthy to do so?
Sure seems that having the weapon would bolster the case for pulling yours, but I don't want to get in worse trouble (or shot by one of his associates).
Another reason to call 911 ASAP: There is a chance the BG has now seen the error of his ways and will sin no more. There is also a chance you will win the lottery. Help get this guy off the streets before he finds his next victim, who may not be as lucky as you.
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Called police every time, they recovered a knife on one occasion. They were great, took a report and later, heard the guy's parole was revoked.
One of the instructors in my firearms class said that the first person to call 911 is considered the victim. He told of stories where after the BG fled, the BG called 911 and the intended victim had lots of explaining to do.
Be the first to call...always.
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"I have a lot of respect for the New York Giants.
For them to walk off the field at the end really didn't show good
sportsmanship," said Eagles QB Michael Vick. "They
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I've been chewing on this one all day. I agree with the comment to a degree but to be lectured about "good sportsmanship" by Michael Vick is more than I can take. This ex-felon showed exactly what kind of sportsmanship when he electrocuted dogs, threw them against objects so hard they died, and on, and on, and on.
Great sportsman he, who, by his own admission, showed no mercy to dogs he couldn't train to "kill".
Michael, get your own house in order if you can. Leave the sportsmanship lectures to the John Maddens of this world.


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WEST LAKE ALMANOR -- The Chips Fire hasn't tossed embers at homes and businesses in Lake Almanor communities, but concerns still run deep for people only a few miles away from a 30,000-acre fire.
The drifting shards of ash falling on Canyon Dam, the clouds of smoke fogging Prattville's view to the northern shores across Lake Almanor and the fire information boards posted in every town all serve as constant reminders of what could come very close to home.
It hasn't stopped the communities from functioning, with the Plumas Pines Bar filling many of their stools at night and the Wilson's Camp Prattville Resort continuing to host traveling visitors.
The resort only lost some business as smoke began to regularly cloud Prattville's afternoons, said Debbie Wilson, who owns and operates the resort with her husband, Ken. Recent days have been the worst so far for her area, but she hasn't seen many visitors leave because of it.
"We're very concerned, we always are, but we don't want to scare people unnecessarily," Wilson said. Boats still launch from the resort's lake access and fishers carry on as usual while smoke moves in over the lake.
Keeping the peace in threatened areas includes stomping rumors as they spring up, which is why a squad of information officers are moving from town to town to properly inform citizens, said Howard Hunter, Chips Fire spokesman. When he posted himself Friday night in Canyon Dam, population 31, about 20 people gathered to ask him pointed questions.
Despite these efforts, Hunter still hears rumors that Chester is being evacuated when in reality it's not even close to triggering evacuation warnings. In fact, it's clear on the other side of Lake Almanor from the fire.
Hunter and the other information officers aren't alone in spreading confirmed information. Dale Knutsen meets regularly with Hunter to review the fire's activity so he can update a local blog for residents, www.pineconetelegraph.com.
"We're trying to quash rumors that the west shore's aflame," Knutsen said.
Knutsen is a retired weapons engineer who's served on the Lake Almanor West fire department's board of directors for about 9 years, and his knowledge of topography, GPS systems and the area itself gives him insight that even Hunter learns from.
"The reason I got involved is because I understand vulnerabilities," Knutsen said.
Vacationers in the area also found the information posts useful, even if they didn't completely wipe away the concerns.
"We're just figuring out how to get home tomorrow," said Verna Knudsen, who came with family to visit Canyon Dam from Moraga, a town near Oakland and San Francisco. Knudsen left Sunday after watching smoke creep on the area for the past two weeks.
The hours of low-hanging smoke do more than breed anxiety, as people with weak lungs or other respiratory problems can't spend much time outside. Knudsen, Wilson, Knutsen, Hunter and others mentioned the need for caution with hot weather and thick smoke.
Much of Lake Almanor life on Saturday conveyed that people aren't letting the fire get in the way of their lives, but it continues to hang overhead in more ways than one.


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How to Thicken a Sauce
January 24th, 2008
How to Thicken a Sauce
To make a slurry add 1 tablespoon of cornstarch or arrowroot to a small amount of cold water, dissolve and add to sauce.
- It is best to simmer your sauce before determining whether it needs to be thickened further. This is going to allow it to reduce, which both removes excess moisture through evaporation while also concentrating its flavor.
- Arrowroot thickens at a lower temperature than both flour or cornstarch and therefore should be removed from heat as soon as it begins to thicken. Applying unnecessary heat will only cause the mixture to thin out.
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[…] 3. Melt the butter in a large Dutch oven over medium heat. Add leeks, carrots and 1/2 teaspoon of salt, cook until softened, about 5 minutes. Stir in garlic and cook until fragrant, about 15 seconds. Stir in flour being sure to coat the leeks and carrots. Gradually whisk in clam juice and milk until sauce is smooth. Bring to a simmer and cook until thick, another minute or so. If necessary, check out how to thicken a sauce. […]
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i want to kinow how to thicken butter with out it curtleing?when i butter my vegies the butter lays at the botton of the bowl?if the butter wa just a little thick it would stick to my vegies thanks barbara
February 8th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
@Barbara Cox – Whisking cold butter into a hot sauce thickens and enriches the sauce. You can also try using little lemon juice or vinegar to emulsify the sauce.
If you are not okay with emulsions or the idea of using starch such as grain or root for your thickening agents, you can certainly use dairy such as egg/cream, créme fraîch, sour cream, or even yogurt for a healthy low fat alternative.


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(CNSNews.com) - A coalition of leftist groups and individuals, organized by the International A.N.S.W.E.R. (Act Now to Stop War & End Racism), a subsidiary of the International Action Center (IAC), are organizing anti-war demonstrations all across the country on October 27.
The planned protests follow in the wake of an International A.N.S.W.E.R.-sponsored anti-war demonstration that occurred in Washington, D.C. at the end of September. The demonstrations are being organized in Little Rock, Ark., Flagstaff, Ariz., St. Paul, Minn., and New York City, and in numerous other cities across the country.
"The goal is to have protests in 50 to 100 cities around the country. In addition, there are protests planned for Italy, New Zealand, [and] a number of other countries also," said IAC spokeswoman Sarah Sloan.
"There [are] many people in this coalition who lost loved ones on September 11. There [are] emergency workers and firefighters [participating in the protests], who have been at ground zero since September 11," she said.
Sloan said the members of the International A.N.S.W.E.R. coalition believe that the September 11 terrorist attacks should be viewed as a consequence of U.S. policies toward the Middle East.
"We believe that the US is carrying out a war that will lead to the deaths of tens or hundreds of thousands of people in Afghanistan," Sloan said. "It's a war against the population of Afghanistan."
"We believe that the true answer lies not in this war, but in changing U.S. policy in the Middle East," she said. "We believe that the U.S [always] has pretexts for their war[s]."
"The war in Afghanistan, is a war that serves the broader U.S. interests in that region," Sloan asserted. "This region has two-thirds of the world's oil wells. Afghanistan is at a key position for building oil and gas pipelines to the Caspian Sea, [and] many oil companies are very eager to gain access to them."
She said the demonstrators would also protest other U.S. policies in the Middle East, including U.S policies against Iraq and the Palestinians, as well as the U.S. military presence in that region.
"The U.S. has carried out policies for decades that [are] seen by millions of people all over the Middle East as incredibly oppressive," said Sloan.
She pointed to the U.S. sanctions against Iraq, which she claims has cost the lives of 1.5 million people, as an example of America's oppression of people in the Middle East. International A.N.S.W.E.R. believes that U.S. support for Israel is another example of American oppression because Israel uses U.S. military hardware against the Palestinians.
"These (the Arab states) are some of the richest countries in the world, and in many of them the people live in poverty and starvation because resources are siphoned off and stolen by other countries," Sloan said.
She claims that the U.S and Western European countries are exploiting the resources of the Middle East so, "Exxon Mobil can make a profit while people that actually live in these regions suffer."
Retired Col. Robert Maginnis dismisses the protests as insignificant because of the overwhelming support the bombing campaign currently enjoys from most Americans.
"[I don't think] that they will raise that many people [in their] 150 [targeted] cities, given the mood in the country today," Maginnis said. "We have great support for the president, [and for the bombing]."
He rejects International A.N.S.W.E.R.'s assertion that the United States is to blame for deaths in Iraq, because Saddam Hussein has diverted money intended to feed his people into military programs that keep him in power.
"The facts about Iraq are mostly attributed to Saddam Hussein and his rogue regime," Maginnis said. "He has taken the money that he has gotten legally and illegally that should have been invested in food and medicine for his people, and diverted that into his weapons program and other programs that have nothing to do with taking care of his people."
"If his people are dying, it's because he is squandering the wealth of the nation," he said. "The U.S. is bombing radar and air defense sites, not his people, so I completely reject that (the IAC's assertions)."
Maginnis also said the U.S. should continue its steadfast support for Israel because the Israelis have been the nation's only stalwart ally in the Middle East.


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This latest incarnation of the well-known Joytron/Mayflash fight stick series is the first ever controller to natively support both the PS3 & Xbox360 straight out of the box.
Product Name : Paewang Revolution
Compatible with Xbox360, PS3, PC
Multi Flatform Compatible - PS3, Xbox360, PC
The Paewang Revolution is world's first arcade stick that works perfectly with the PS3, Xbox360 and PC game systems without any other device or converter. It works with plug 'n' play base.
Real Arcade Classics
The Paewang Revolution has a metal base, precision rugged metal stick and high quality Micro-switches that can withstand the aggressive, fast paced classics like Street Fighter™ and Tekken™. Armed with the natural arcade button layout, pulling off the high scoring combos and special moves is a breeze. You can enjoy the real arcade feel with all the elements of a solid build, plus ultra responsive iputs.
Programmable Turbo Rapid Fire
Paewang Revolution's secret weapon is its programmable Turbo Rapid Fire. This can be enabled on any one or more of the 8 buttons, at three different speed settings , giving you a firepower advantage that makes all the difference.
Selecting Xbox 360 / PS3 / PC
When you unpack the Paewang Revolution, it is in Xbox 360 mode by default. This means that when it is first switched on it will expect to be used with an Xbox 360. To use the Paewang Revolution with a PS3 console or PC, simply hold down the Turbo button when you connect the Paewang Revolution to your PS3 console or PC. This will change the default mode of the Paewang Revolution to PS3/PC. If you wish to change the default mode of Paewang Revolution back to Xbox 360 then simply repeat the process by holding down the Turbo button whilst plugging into the Xbox 360 console.
Using the Turbo Rapid Fire Function
Paewang Revolution is equipped with a unique programmable Turbo Rapid Fire function that can boost your firepower in any game. The Turbo Rapid Fire function has 3 speed settings and can be assigned to any of Paewang Revolution's buttons.
Step 1: Choose Rapid Fire Buttons
Different games will use different buttons for actions like jump, shoot, block etc. In order for you to get the most out of the rapid fire function you can choose exactly which button or buttons it is assigned to. To program which buttons will use rapid fire, press and hold the TURBO button and then any one of the Paewang Revolution's buttons. When you have made your selection, release the TURBO button.
Step 2: Enable Rapid Fire and Set Speed
Paewang Revolution has 3 different speed settings for the rapid fire. After assigning Turbo Rapid Fire to one or more buttons (see previous section) rapid fire will automatically be activated, at its fastest speed, on the selected buttons. To reduce the speed of the rapid fire, tap the turbo button. Rapid fire will run at its intermediate speed. Tap the turbo button again to reduce the rapid fire to its slowest speed or one more time to turn it off, as per the diagram:
1 press - fast
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Greg McElroy was named Jets starter following Mark Sanchez' five-turnover performance Monday night, and apparently that's not sitting well with Tim Tebow. According to a report from the New York Daily News, Tebow will ask to be traded or released after the season if he does not get more of an opportunity in the last two games.
Jets coach Rex Ryan said Sanchez respected the coach's decision to bench him, but Ryan has not publicly addressed the Tebow situation.
"I want to put Greg out there," Ryan said Tuesday. "I'm going to put Greg out there. In my opinion, that's what's best for our team."
Meanwhile, a Jets fan who sent Sanchez death threats on Twitter following the team's Monday night loss to the Titans told the New York Daily News that he wasn't serious and doesn't understand why people are angry about his behavior.
The man, who identified himself as 25-year-old Bravee Grandcu, said he lost $700 when Sanchez fumbled away the Jets' chances at winning, and he claims Sanchez did it on purpose, so he tweeted:
KILL YO SELF TONIGHT! OR IMMA DO IT FOR YOU WEDNESDAY AT PRACTICE, and, DON'T COME TO PRACTICE WEDNESDAY I PROMISE YOU BULLETS EVERYWHERE. He also tweeted a picture of himself wearing a Jets hat with the message, TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT YOUR KILLER!!
Grandcu told the Daily News that he doesn't own a gun and was never going to be violent.
"I don't know why everyone's making such a big deal about the death threats," he said. "I guess it's just because he's Mark Sanchez and he's famous."
Read more about those stories and others, plus check out videos, trivia and more, at Wednesday's Morning Mashup [1].
[1] http://leeinks.weei.com/sports/2012/12/19/wednesdays-morning-mashup-tim-tebow-reportedly-will-ask-out-of-new-york-if-jets-continue-to-bypass-him


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Discussion in 'Members Zone' started by Reality, Apr 26, 2010.
Nice work guys. Thanks for keeping this site a decent pleasurable place to talk some football.
Great job everyone. This forum has become part of my daily routine! I really enjoy the discussions, rueing, hissy fits, and the debates. Thanks for making this forum so much fun for everyone.
This is one of the most peaceful forums I visit and to that, I say props to the moderators.
I appreciate them.
And I am sorry that I have sent bogus pizza deliveries to some of them and written their names on bathroom walls.
Oh, I regret the crank phone calls at 3 a.m. cause they did not deserve that and sorry I awoke mabel, veronica, Todd and Velma and the kids.
It wasn't me, it was the Busch light.
All you mods keep doing what your doing. Your all aces in my book.
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I appreciate all the mods for all the service they have given us here. They keep the board running smoothly!
Thanks a ton guys(and gal)
I don't like any of the moderators.
j/k kinda
I appreciate what you guys do too. It seems like some of you are in two or three places at once. That's just how good a job you all are doing. Thanks for keeping this forum the clean, respectable site that it is. It's nice to know that The Zone will always be safe and civilized.
Props to the mods....not easy to keep an even keel when you have differing opinions than some of the posters, but you guys do a pretty good job of staying even keeled for the most part....Props!
It's amazing for a site of this size (membership) that it is moderated this well. My site has five moderatos, and I often refer to the model here as how to be successful. Thank you for what I know is an unbelievable amount of work and dedication. Your efforts give us all a great deal of personal pleasure.
a sincere and heartfelt thank you to all the mods.
Funny stuff
I lurk way more than I post and I can honestly say I can't think of any moderator off the top of my head. I guess that's a good thing.
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I Love You Mods Your enticing Humor makes me laugh....hehehe....lollo
Thanks guys and gal. I know it's not an easy job or one that most people can really appreciate.
A big heartfelt thanks from me to y'all.
I want to thank all the Mods. for their time and effort towards making the Zone the best Cowboy spot on the net.


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So we've been hearing a lot hacking news this year and it's only getting worse. Large corporations like Sony fell victim to hackers which led to a lot of accounts in the Sony PlayStation Network became compromised. After that, it's like everyone is getting hacked from news groups, payment services, law enforcement databases, porn sites, and social networks have been targeted. The latest one is the Twitter account of former Swedish Democrat and now independent MP William Petzäll.
Petzäll was recently forced into a special care facility as he was deemed to be a threat to himself as well as others. He is still in the special care facility but yesterday, tweets from his Twitter account stirred trouble as his tweets levied accusations that SD leader Jimmie Åkesson and party secretary Björn Söder hacked into the email accounts of Swedish journalists and their political opponents.
The accusation was followed by tweets publishing email addresses and passwords of the said hacked accounts as proof of his allegations against the two.
Petzäll's lawyer denied that his client posted those tweets and stated that his client had no internet access to where he was currently at and that an unauthorized person had made those posts, insinuating that his client's account was also hacked. Petzäll's Twitter account had been taken down since the incident.
Over 90,000 usernames and passwords from the popular Swedish blog site Bloggtoppen were exposed to anyone who has Internet access. Not only that, Swedish newspaper, Aftonbladet, reported today that 57 other sites were hacked leaving more than 200,000 personal information exposed. The newspaper also reported that the hacking happened last year and the hackers just decided to make the hacked data public now.
Bloggtoppen is currently down until everything has been ironed out and their security has been reinforced.
Another Swedish newspaper, Expressen, published an in interview they had with hacker sc3a5j, in which the hacker stated that,
"I dumped this information to let people know that they handle their information wrongly. Many web pages are not up to scratch. And consumers need to know they should never use the same [passwords] for different services on the web. This is how we got into Twitter accounts as well."
The lesson here is that you should not use the same password for all of the sites you log into as this puts you in a position very vulnerable for hacking. Also, do not use your birthday as a password; it's like you're inviting everyone to mess with your account. Do what the experts say and change your passwords regularly, or at least rotate your passwords or something.
If you're maintaining too many online accounts and it's hard to keep track of all your passwords, use password vaults to keep them safe from prying eyes. Some recommended password vaults are 1Password and KeePass. Do not be stubborn. Do not wait until you've been hacked before taking precaution.


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The University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia, Pa., is sponsoring an Undergraduate Workshop in Cognitive Science and Cognitive Neuroscience. This special event will be held at Penn's Institute for Research in Cognitive Science (IRCS), June 7–20, 2009.
The application deadline for the Summer 2009 program is March 6, 2009. Students who are currently enrolled as undergraduates at any college or university are invited to apply.
Check out the Undergraduate Summer Workshop website. This is noted on our departmental calendar as well.
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Super Bowl XLVII: Football takes on snappy commercials
No, the Minnesota Vikings and our MVP Adrian Peterson will not be part of this 47th Super Bowl tonight in the Big Easy. Yes, it has been a battle of pre-game hype vying Jim against older brother John Harbaugh, but it's the commercials that interest many fans.
Expect a good football game, but expect off the chart entertainment for businesses that are paying between $3.7 and $3.8 million per 30-second commercial — that's $123,000 per second. It's safe to say that most advertisers paying that kind of money for 30 seconds will trot out some star-studded glitz or crazy hilarious attention grabbers.
For those of you Kate Upton fans, the gorgeous and talented super model Kate will be washing a Mercedes-Benz (with the gawking assistance of a football team) in a commercial that seems to be getting the attention of most web site reports.
Use your imagination to come up with what Ms. Upton might display in washing an MB. It's the seductive CLA MB, but does not come with the seductive Ms. Upton. Sorry guys.
It seems as though Hardee's and Carl's Jr., used the sensuous Ms. Upton to grab the attention of their male Super Bowl viewers. This one's a bit over the top, but should get rave reviews.
Coca-Cola is asking viewers to cheer for three very different groups – including a troupe of show girls, a band of cowboys and a biker-style gang of "badlanders" – all on a quest for a thirst-quenching Coke in a desert.
Taco Bell: The company's teaser shows an elderly man, who is also the star of its Game Day ad, doing wheelies in a scooter on a football field. This one's, well...watch and decide.
America's No. 1 selling car company, Toyota is featuring "Big Bang Theory" star Kaley Cuoco, who grants wishes to a peppy song. This one's kinda "geeky" dumb.
Go Daddy has an ad that is about putting one's idea online first. It's humorous.
VW, Budweiser, Doritos, Skechers and other companies rich enough to cough up $123,000 a second will add relief in the event of a blow out on the field.
Let me know which commercial is your favorite by emailing me at email@example.com.
Enjoy the commercials, I mean enjoy Super Bowl 47.
Keith Hansen