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But the position itself, if you're looking for a tidy box to put it in, is more Libertarian than anything.
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regulating vs not is a conservative vs liberal with the "new view" being to regulate more. Thats not a tidy little box, thats the basis of the argument.
Maybe that's on me. Given the discussion up till now, I assumed you've taken a Poli Sci class or two. Not a slam on you, JAB, but you're not grasping the terms or are misapplying them.
First, you claimed that the conspiracy theory offered by Wicked was "representative" of the right. The term "representative" means a generality amongst the group, in your case "the right". This is fallacious on many levels, the most obvious being the fallacy I listed: "If member of group A believes something, all of group A believe it".
Second, you're not understanding the nuance of the terms I am using. When I say less regulation, more guns, etc is liberal, I qualified it as small "L" thinking. Meaning, I am using the dictionary definition of liberal, not the political classification of Liberal (although, since you like to be overly technical, less gun control falls under Classical Liberalism in terms of political theory). Texas, for example is liberal with it's gun laws. Maryland, by contrast, is more conservative in their approach. Again, not the political classifications but the dictionary definitions.
Dictionary definitions rarely line up with their political, theoretical counterparts.
Not a fan of wiki, but this page does a good job at explaining Classical Liberalism. Simply put, today's Conservative / Libertarian is practicing Classical Liberalism.
This is fine, and i understood what your were saying but its just contrary to the point I was trying to make. Conservative vs conservative and Liberal vs liberal. I may not have capitalized properly from time to time, which would get confusing. my apologies.Quote:
Second, you're not understanding the nuance of the terms I am using. When I say less regulation, more guns, etc is liberal, I qualified it as small "L" thinking. Meaning, I am using the dictionary definition of liberal, not the political classification of Liberal (although, since you like to be overly technical, less gun control falls under Classical Liberalism in terms of political theory). Texas, for example is liberal with it's gun laws. Maryland, by contrast, is more conservative in their approach. Again, not the political classifications but the dictionary definitions.
Jonboy said that teachers should have the option to have a firearm in school.
I'm okay with that too. Having armed policemen at the school would also be a huge help.
As for the idea of flagging multiple ammo purchases, that is an idea I'm all for. I'm not an avid hunter by any stretch of the imagination but you don't need to buy 3,000 rounds of ammo to go hunting. Ordering that much ammo should've raised a few eyebrows, yet the gunman had bullets delivered to his doorstep without so much as a visit from the police.
But if you don't think Obama is anti-gun (or at the very least, restricting what guns we own), I have to ask, have you paid attention to the news lately?
sounds like the focus in his mind is on the person not the weapon. Not saying everyone in his cabinet has the same views but im not seeing where hes said anything publicly about wanting to ban guns. If he has, id say its only because of this incident, which has changed some NRA members opinions, which clearly wouldnt have before the incident.Quote:
Calling it a complex problem that demands many approaches, Obama also said a strategy must address school safety, mental illness, and "a culture that too often often glorifies guns and violence."
Once a plan is developed, Obama said, "I will do everything in my power as president to advance these efforts."
Obama also told petitioners he believes in the Second Amendment's individual right to own firearms, and "the fact is most gun owners in America are responsible." The president said he believes that, in the wake of the Newtown shooting, many of those owners are willing to support "common sense" legislation that keeps guns away from people who should not have them.
Not sure what news outlets you're watching JAB.
He's calling for a ban on so called assault weapons and a ban on high capacity magazines.
If Obama wants to change a culture glorifying violence and guns...maybe he should go after Hollywood.
Obama Calls for Permanent Assault Weapons Ban to Combat Inner-City Violence
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions
Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.
Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.
A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would:
Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect
Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought
Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations
Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices
Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 ; vote number 2005-219 on Jul 29, 2005
Just Google Obama anti-gun histroy, you'll find a lot. Just make sure you double check it as "the right" ;) has probably put a few misleading things out there.


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"Whether it was the Polo Grounds, where Charlie Conerly was the quarterback,
or Yankee Stadium, where Y.A. Tittle called signals, or Giants Stadium during
the Phil Simms era, the Giants have
largely enjoyed a tangible home-field advantage that was intimidating for
opponents and inspiring to the home team.
So far that hasnt been the case at MetLife Stadium, where the seats are
state of the art but the on-field product at times has been second rate. The
Giants are 8-6 since the building opened and a mediocre 3-3 this season,
including ugly losses to the Seahawks and Eagles. On paper that nullifies
whatever psychological edge the Giants might have playing their final three
games of the regular season in their home building.
The Redskins are in town Sunday, followed by a Christmas Eve showdown against
the Jets when the Giants technically will be the visitors. The regular season
concludes with the Cowboys coming east on New Years Day. The Giants, leaders in
the NFC East, may need to win all three to ensure a spot in the postseason.
Thats why Tom Coughlin all but
made a public plea for Giants fans to step up their game during this final
Our fans getting into this game, this time of the year, the excitement of
this time of the year, being in position, having all these games be very
meaningful, very critical, I think its very important that were home and I
think its very important that the 12th man really, really be excited about this
time of the year, the coach said.
It wasnt exactly the This is our house speech in the movie Rudy, but
clearly the Giants head coach hopes the home crowd will give his team a lift
over the next three weeks.
Hopefully, its going to be a huge advantage for us, he said.
It hasnt been thus far. The Giants, 5-3 at home last year, have lost their
last two homes games against the Eagles and the Packers, though the Giants view
those losses differently. They failed to match the intensity of the Eagles and
were whipped physically in losing 17-10 in November. But they went toe-to-toe
against the unbeaten Packers, who kicked a game-winning field goal with no time
left to pull out a 38-35 win.
After the Green Bay game, I think our fans are really proud of us, said
receiver Victor Cruz. Theyre going to be behind us 100 percent. Its going to
be loud and a great environment.
That would be ideal. This years elite teams have all been dominant at home
this year. The Ravens are 7-0, while the Packers and Saints are 6-0. The Jets,
Steelers and 49ers are 6-1, while the Texans and Patriots are 5-1. The Jets
success at MetLife should be especially embarrassing to the Giants, especially
with all the preseason talk about taking over the town.
Giants safety Deon Grant admitted
playing at home doesnt mean much.
We dont look at it as an edge, he said. Weve lost games in our building.
We just need to focus on the game and take care of business.
It also doesnt help the Giants that the three teams theyll face to finish
the regular season are all familiar with MetLife. The Redskins are division
rivals who played here last January, losing to the Giants 17-14. The Cowboys
have played twice at MetLife, beating the Giants 33-20 in November 2010, and
losing to the Jets, 27-24, in the opening week of this season.
Maybe playing at home simply boils down to this:
Its just nice that we dont have to get on the plane, said defensive end
Dave Tollefson. It doesnt affect how you play. If we dont play at a high
level, were going to get beat.

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Definition of chaos
2a often capitalized : a state of things in which chance is supreme; especially : the confused unorganized state of primordial matter before the creation of distinct forms — compare cosmosb : the inherent unpredictability in the behavior of a complex natural system (such as the atmosphere, boiling water, or the beating heart)
3a : a state of utter confusion the blackout caused chaos throughout the cityb : a confused mass or mixture a chaos of television antennas
chaoticplay \kā-ˈä-tik\ adjective
chaoticallyplay \-ti-k(ə-)lē\ adverb
Examples of chaos in a sentence
The loss of electricity caused chaos throughout the city.
When the police arrived, the street was in total chaos.
The country had descended into economic chaos.
Origin and Etymology of chaos
Latin, from Greek — more at gum
First Known Use: 15th century
CHAOS Defined for English Language Learners
Definition of chaos for English Language Learners
: complete confusion and disorder : a state in which behavior and events are not controlled by anything
: the state of the universe before there was any order and before stars and planets were formed
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Definition of chaos for Students
: complete confusion and disorder
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Two More Wildcats Make Travel Plans for Olympics
July 15, 2008
Lexington, Ky. - Two University of Kentucky track and field team members received invitations to coach and compete at the 2008 Summer Olympic Games in Beijing, China, next month. UK assistant coach for sprints Erin Tucker has been tabbed by the Venezuelan Track and Field National Team to be a guest coach for rising senior Jose Acevedo. Acevedo's classmate, Mikel Thomas, was invited to compete as a hurdler for his home country of Trinidad and Tobago.
Thomas won a gold medal by taking the men's 110m hurdles title during the Sagicor/NAAA National Senior Open Championships at the Hasely Crawford Stadium in Port of Spain, Trinidad, in late June. The UK varsity record holder in the event ran 13.96 to clinch the top prize over his countrymen on the opening day of competition. On day two of the Championships, Thomas finished second in the 400m hurdles crossing the finish in 51.40. The mark was a personal record for Thomas and ranks third all-time at UK in the event.
On Monday, Thomas received official correspondence from the National Amateur Athletic Association of Trinidad and Tobago notifying him of his selection to the 2008 national team. He will compete in 110m hurdles at the Games.
Thomas joins Acevedo and UK alumnus David Freeman on the track in Beijing. Freeman ran as a Wildcat from 2001-04 and will represent his native Puerto Rico. Earlier this month, all three competed at the 2008 Central American and Caribbean (CAC) Championships held in Cali, Colombia.
At the CACs, Acevedo placed third in the 200m dash final with a time of 20.79. Meanwhile, Thomas finished seventh in the 110m hurdles posting a time of 13.84. In the men's 800m final, Freeman finished sixth crossing the line at 1:49.32. Acevedo was also the final leg of the Venezuelan 4x400m relay team that finished fourth clocking in at 3:06.10.
Coach Tucker just wrapped up his fifth season overseeing sprints, hurdles and relays at Kentucky. At the NCAA Outdoor Championships in June, Tucker coached the men's 4x400m relay squad to a third-place finish nationally. The team also set a new school record of 3:02.00 in the process. Under his tutelage, athletes have posted over 30 entries into Kentucky's all-time top-10 marks while the 4x400m relays have quickly become UK's showcase events.
This is not the first time the Wildcat coach has been a member of the Venezuelan National Team's coaching staff. Tucker was asked to be a guest coach for the country during the 2006 CACs held in Cartagena, Colombia. There he helped former Wildcat and Venezuela native Luis Luna finish fifth as part of the 4x400m relay squad and place fifth in the 400m dash. The 2006 Mideast Region Assistant Coach of the Year also guided a young Acevedo to an 11th place finish in the 200m dash.
Acevedo became an advocate for his college coach to reprise his role as a guest coach with his country's national team as he did two years before.
"At the CACs, Jose got on the medal stand for the first time ever in that event for Venezuela," Tucker said. "It's similar to what happened two years ago. At that time, the 4x400m relay time Venezuela ran with Luna was their fastest in four or five years, and they were pretty happy with that. I think they wanted Jose to continue his improvement and consistency in the 200 meters leading up to the Games. Jose told them if I came down to coach him, I would stay on him during training and he could continue his progression.
"I got even better news yesterday when Mikel got selected to represent Trinidad and Tobago. So I am really emotional about it all and am really happy and excited about the opportunity."
Tucker will travel to the Venezuelan National Olympic Training Center in Caracas to coach Acevedo next Tuesday. The Wildcat duo will remain in Caracas until the team travels to Beijing and will return with the national squad when the Games end.
The 2008 Beijing Games will be the first to have multiple athletes represent Kentucky track and field. Acevedo will compete for Venezuela in the 200m dash. Thomas will run the 110m hurdles for Trinidad and Tobago. Freeman will represent Puerto Rico in the 1500m run. UK track and field has been represented by one participant at every summer Olympics since the 1976 Montreal Games with the exception of the heavily boycotted Moscow Games in 1980.
Stay tuned to UKathletics.com for Olympic Games updates and more post-season news.
University of Kentucky 2008 Summer Olympic Games Track and Field Participants
Jose Acevedo (Venezuela) -- 200m dash
David Freeman (Puerto Rico) -- 1500m run
Mikel Thomas (Trinidad and Tobago) -- 110m hurdles
Coach Erin Tucker (Venezuela) -- Guest coach


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Melody, as a nurse I am sure you know better about such things than I do,
but I get pretty disgusted with people who don't cover their mouths when
they cough. You are right - the germs go right to their hands and then they
spread the germs by touching things. However, I can behave defensively
against such actions, but I cannot control what people spew into the air.
Plus, it's just plain disgusting. And the elbow? yeah, try it. Looks like
you're sniffing your armpit to see if your deodorant is working. uh-uh.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Melody " <firstname.lastname@example.com>
To: <firstname.lastname@example.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 1:12 AM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] today....Judy---
> This is also the reason I have such a problem with the proliferation of
> antibacterial soaps and/or products with antibacterial agents embedded
> in them...by constant use of these antibacterial products we are
> actually weakening our immune systems, throwing out the good bacteria
> that protect us while not necessarily killing off the really bad
> bacteria that harm us. Just plain old soap and water for handwashing
> along with vigorous mechanical scrubbing when you wash is enough for
> most folks with healthy immune systems. Also, we really, really need to
> stop using our hands to cover our mouths and noses when we sneeze or
> cough...coughing/sneezing into the crook of your elbow or turning your
> head away from folks is much preferable...this way the bacteria do not
> end up on your hands where they are then passed on to everything and
> everyone you touch.
> Melody
> Hills, IA zone 5
> --- On Sun 06/12, Judy Browning < firstname.lastname@example.com > wrote:
> From: Judy Browning [mailto: firstname.lastname@example.com]
> To: firstname.lastname@example.com
> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 19:12:39 -0000
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] today....Judy---
> Both actually. You can cause resistance in your own population, then
> pass it
along to someone else through casual contact. My hand to
> money, a doorknob,
or shopping cart to your hand for instance. An
> elderly lady I knew claimed
she and her husband never got colds.
> Their secret: Whenever returning home,
they immediately washed their
> hands. Didn't take off their coats or touch
anything inside until
> they washed their hands. If they had been shopping,
they washed again
> after putting their purchases away.
Our bodies are protected by skin
> that is very resistant to bacteria. Mucus
membranes in the eyes mouth
> & other orifices is not. Most infection enter
the body through a
> mucus membrane. Puncture wounds are dangerous because
they carry
> foreign material through the skin. Immune system tends to
incapsulate
> stuff like that, making a warm dark moist area for bacteria to
grow
> ie abcess.
Some of the more toxic antibiotics can kill all of your
> gut's
> flora,
beneficial & not. When you get diarrhea from an antibiotic,
> that's the
cause. The good bugs are gone too. Taking a little
> buttermilk or yogurt a
couple of hours after a dose can repopulate
> with a benefical lactobacillus.
I doubt you were totally sterile
> inside. But there was probably very little
left.
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> Message -----
From: "Donna" <firstname.lastname@example.com>
To:
> <firstname.lastname@example.com>
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:44 AM
Subject:
> RE: [CHAT] today....Judy---

> So Judy-
>
> You are
> saying it is within a person, rather than a NEW bacteria we
> have
to
> worry about?
>
> I know a few years ago when my
> system was whacked and I was always ill,
they
> gave me an orange
> powder to mix with water. The nastiest stuff I ever
> tasted. I
> didn't believe it at the time, but they claimed this was
> going
to
> remove all bacteria and fungus from my system,
> unfortunately good and bad
> types. I did get
> better a week later, but still am not buying it did that.
>
>
> Donna
>
>
> > Chris, this is a soapbox invitation I can't
> resist. Get ready
> > Resistant bacteria are getting more problematic
> each year. Part of the
> > problem is the widespread use of
> antibiotics! Especially with folks who
> > "save" a few pills from
> their prescription & self medicate the next
time.
> > 1st course
> of medication leaves a few of the most resistant germs, which
> >
> then are the ones to multiply. When they next get a cold & take the
> last
> > few, they expose more bacteria to the antibiotic without
> killing them
and
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> bacteria we all host.
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> prescribe antibiotics for viral
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> general public and
most
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The basic ingredients of Ice Cream are milk, cream, and sugar. The basic ingredients of Granite are Plagioclase Feldspar, Potassium Feldspar and Quartz. Quartz is the most abundant mineral in the Earth's continental crust, but Feldspar is more common in the world as a whole. The basic "Flavors" of the Ice Cream world are Vanilla, Chocolate and Strawberry. The basic "Flavors" of the Granite world are Peraluminous (contains Aluminum), Peralkaline (contains Sodium and Potassium), and Metaluminous (a mixture). All Granites are going to fit into one of these three chemical "Flavors". The chocolate chips and nuts of the Granite world are minerals such as Muscovite, Biotite and Augite. The Smuckers chocolate swirls are layers of dark black minerals called Schlieren. The word Schlieren comes from the German word for "streaks". Butterfingers, M&M's, Heath Bars, and Oreo cookies added to Ice Cream, can be compared to Xenoliths (fragments of unrelated rocks found inside Granite) and Enclaves (dark fragments that are related to, but not actual Granite). The Cherry, Mint and Peach flavorings added to Ice Cream are like the chemical elements such as Fluorine, Boron, and Titanium that will be found in Granite. Emulsifiers, Stabilizers and Thickeners found in Ice Cream, and minerals such as Zircon, Apatite, and Titanite found in Granite, all have a big influence on the overall "Flavor". Add a little of any of these "additives" and they can greatly influence the final "Flavor".
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Drophead Coupe
Gurney Nutting
Chassis Num:
Engine Num: JC95
Lot Withdrawn from
2016 The Finest Automobile Auctions
Introduced in 1929, the Rolls-Rocye Pantom II was intended to carry customers accustomed to being driven by a chauffeur. However, in 1930 the chassis was produced for those who wanted to take control of the wheel themselves in more sporting fashion. Of the total 1681 Phantom II chassis produced, only 281 were Continentals.
The Continentals were short chassis vehicles made to accommodate lighter 4-passenger coachwork, with the rear-seated passengers sitting well ahead of the rear axle. Adjustable shock absorbers, as well as a lower rake steering were also employed in the chassis. The 7.7-liter OHV 6-cylinder engine benefited from a higher compression ratio and a high performance camshaft.
Chassis 124MY, priced roughly at 1,850 British Pounds, was ordered by the fashionable London dealership of H.R. Owen & Co. Only 12 of these 3-position Drop Head Coupes were produced. 124MY was kept on display in the Berkeley Street showroom during June of 1933.
The car had many prestigious royal owners throughout the years, and in July of 2003, Pennsylvania collector John W. Rich purchased 124MY, starting another chapter in its history.
Drophead Coupe
Gurney Nutting
Chassis Num:
Engine Num: JC95
Lot Withdrawn from
2016 The Finest Automobile Auctions
Of the total 1681 Phantom II chassis produced, only 281 were Continentals. And there were only 12 of these 3-position Drop Head Coupes produced.
In October of 1921, Rolls Royce along with coach builder Brewster and Co, debuted the Phantom II at the London Olympia Motor Show. Under the bonnet was a 6 cylinder engine with 2 banks of 3 cylinders each, topped by a common head. The Phantom II, a very rugged and reliable auto that was much faster than previous Rolls Royces. This was the last model designed by Henry Royce.
Chassis Number 124MY Engine Number JC95 With Owen Sedanca Coupe coachwork by Gurney Nutting
Introduced in 1929, the Rolls-Royce Phantom II was intended to usually carry formal coachwork for those customers accustomed to being driven by chauffer. However, starting in 1930 the Continental chassis was produced for those so inclined to take control of the wheel themselves in a more sporting fashion. Of the total 1681 Phantom II chassis produced, only 281 were Continentals.
The Continentals were short chassis vehicles usually made to accommodate lighter 4-passenger coachwork with, typically, the rear seated passengers sitting well ahead of the rear axle. To further emphasize its sporting intention, Hartford Telecontrol adjustable shock absorbers, as well as a lower rake steering was employed in the chassis. The 7.7 liter OHV 6 cylinder engine benefitted from a higher compression ration and a high performance camshaft. Continental buyers were also encouraged to order cars with rear mounted spares to improve road holding and higher ratio rear axles were fitted to render the cars more suitable for high speed, long distance touring.
Chassis 124MKY, priced at roughly 1,850 British Pounds, was ordered for stock for the fashionable London dealership of H.R. Owen & Co. The coachbuilding firm of Gurney Nutting was chosen to complete the package with a wonderful design patented by the dealership owner, Capt. H.R. Owen. Only 12 of these 3 position Drop Head Coupes were produced. 124MY was kept on display in the Berkeley Street showroom during June of 1933.
On June 15th of that year, the prestigious King George V Gold Cup equestrian race was held at Ascot.Sir (Edmund) Keith Nuttall, a successful civil engineer, head of a prominent construction company, and avid racehorse owner, was on hand that day. To his grand luck, his horse won the event. Much champagne flowed and celebration followed. A telephone call was put through at some point to Captain Owen from Sir Keith stating that if 124MKY could be delivered to Ascot by 5pm that day, he could consider it sold. Delivery was promptly executed, and the car would become part of the Nuttall's stable. Not quite immediately, however. It would seem that so much champagne had been consumed that an 'error of judgment' occurred on the way home and the car was returned to Gurney Nutting for repair. The damage was probably more to Sir Keith's ego than the vehicle. Tragically, Sir Keith passed away in 1941 at the age of 40 while serving his country in WWII, but Lady Nuttall, his widow, kept the car in use at their London home. It was recorded by Rolls-Royce in 1945 under the name of Mrs. Edward Firzpatrick (previously Lady Nuttail).
Fixed Head Coupe
Gurney Nutting
Chassis Num:
The Phantom II is one of the greatest British pre-war sporting cars ever produced. Powered by the well balanced in-line six engine, the continental chassis were ideal for fast touring around the continent. Many of the PII were mated wîth extraordinary coachwork, this one in particular wîth Gurney Nutting's finest. This particular car is on a short chassis and is one of the finest available today. Ordered new by Mr. Cox Hill of Birmingham the car has a number of special order items. It later came to the ÚSA and graced the collection of Mr. Phil Witchard of New York. The car was a First Place Winner at a Classic Car Club of America's National meet.
Source - Blackhawk Collection
Sedance Coupe
Gurney Nutting
Chassis Num:
Sold for $375,000 at
2009 RM Auctions
The Rolls-Royce Twenty became the new 25/30, while the New Phantom later became known as the Phantom I after the launch of the Phantom II. It was still rated at 40/50 horsepower, the same as the Silver Ghost and the Phantom I. A major difference was the it's lower stance, and its suspension which now utilized front and rear semi-elliptic leaf springs. Just like in the Riley Nine, the passengers' feet in the Phantom II were now comfortably tucked under the front seats in foot wells. This new design feature allowed a variety of close-coupled coachwork to be fitted.
The Phantom II Continental was a lightweight sporting car designed by Ivan Evernden and originally built by Barkers. They were based on the short 144-inch wheelbase and fitted with a stiffer five-leaf spring suspension, and a 12/41 axle. This new axle, replacing the standard 11/41 unit, allowed for greater cruising speeds. The engine was given modifications including a compression ratio increase to 5.25:1. Other changes to the car included a Hartford remote-control shock absorbers, low-rake steering column, and a lowered floor.
The PII Contientnal was capable of speeds of 100 miles per hour. There were just 1,680 Phantom IIs were manufactured between 1929 and 1935, and only 281 were Phantom II Continentals.
The Sedanca Coupe was originally designed and built by Gurney Nutting for London Rolls-Royce dealer H.R. Owen. It did not take long before other custom coachbuilders introduced their own styling on this gorgeous design. This example, chassis 32PY, is believed to be an original Gurney Nutting car. This vehicle has a close-coupled body, and two-position convertible top, low windshield.
The original owner of this car, it is believed, was a resident of London, England and sold through the main agents H.R. Owen Ltd. The second owner was also of London, who sold it in December of 1944 to a gentleman in Scotland. It was later sold to Dr. A. Dickson of Aberdeenshire in May of 1948. Mr. Dickson's ownership of the care was longterm, including several years in storage. It was sold in the late 1980s, and given a restoration by Gurney Nutting.
In the early 1990s, the car was sold to a Florida-based collector. It entered another prominent private collection in the Midwest in 1998 or 1999. The interior was converted from tan to blue leather upholstery and carpeting.
The car currently wears paint that was applied nearly 2 decades ago. The Sedanca roof is in dark blue cloth with chrome landau irons. It rides on original wire wheels fitted with aluminum covers painted to match the body. There is a proper 'Spirit of Ecstasy' radiator mascot, and a rear-mounted luggage trunk. The interior is rich medium blue leather upholstery.
In 2009, this Rolls-Royce Phantom II Continental Sedanca Coupe was offered for sale at the Automobiles of Arizona auction presented by RM Auctions. It was estimated to sell for $500,000 - $600,000. The lot was sold for the sum of $375,000 including buyer's premium.
By Daniel Vaughan | Apr 2009
Sport Coupe
The Phantom II Continental was aimed at the sporting buyer of Rolls-Royce motor cars; it was created for those individuals who wanted to motor across the continent in the grand manner - in a car with increased performance and stiffer handling. The Hooper coachwork company of London was responsible for this particular four-seat sports coupe. Its first owner was a navy captain who intended to drive himself, but he specified Port and Starboard bar fittings in red and green velvet for the passengers in the rear. Other interesting features are the advanced 'semaphore-style trafficators,' extra driving lights and an integral trunk, which was unusual for the period.
Fixed Head Coupe
Gurney Nutting
Chassis Num:
Sold for $862,585 (£418,000) at
2007 RM Auctions
This Gurney Nutting-bodied Phantom II (chassis 170 MY) has been owned by some of the most discerning motorists in the world. Its first owner was Sir hugo Cunliffe-Owen, a director of British American Tobacco. In 1936 the car was purchased by Bentley racing driver Jack Dunfee. Rolls-Royce Phantom IIs were also owned by several other race drivers of the period. This car spent some time in the Blackhawk Collection, then was purchased by a well-known English collector, and eventually joined the collection of Formula 1 supremo, bernie Ecclestone. This one of the most famous and desirable of the 281 Phantom II Continentals built, and it has been featured in many articles.
The current owners purchased the Phantom II in 2007. It has undergone a complete body-off restoration.
Sedance Coupe
Gurney Nutting
Chassis Num:
Engine Num: NY-55
Sold for $1,320,000 at
2013 Gooding & Company
The Rolls-Royce Phantom II was first shown at the London Motor Show in 1929. With its 6-cylinder, 7.7-litre engine it was much faster than previous Rolls-Royce cars. The Continental, introduced in 1930 was designed for the owner-driver to enjoy and was built on a shorter chassis than previous Phantoms. It was the last Rolls-Royce designed by Henry Royce. Rolls-Royce created 281 Phantom II Continentals, and the Sedanca Three Position Drophead with coachwork by Gurney Nutting is one of the most beautiful of them all. Around twelve of these cars were built and just a handful remains. Chassis 71 MW was first owned by Albert Primrose, the sixth Earl of Rosebery.
On May 26th of 1933, H.R. Owen placed an order with Rolls-Royce for a Phantom II Continental. Chassis number 71MW was completed off-test July 7th and just 10 days later delivered to Gurney Nutting. The car was fitted with the desired 11-degree slant to the hood louvers, which would eventually carry into the cowl of the coachwork. Gurney Nutting completed the Three-Position sedanca Coupe on August 31st of 1933. Upon completion, the car was finished in dark green with a turquoise pinstripe and dark green leather interior with turquoise piping.
On September 7th of 1933, 71MW was delivered to its first owner, Albert Edward Harry Meyer Archibald Primrose, 6th Earl of Rosebery, Baron Epsom of Epsom. In addition to 71MW, harry added to the family stable three other Phantom IIs and a Phantom III. The latter Phantom II (179TA) and the Phantom III (3AZ158) also sported Gurney Nutting Sedanca coachwork.
On July 18th of 1936, the car was acquired by Sir John Francis Roskell Reynolds. It would remain with John until 1943 or thereabouts when the car was given Paddon Brothers Ltd. of Kensington and subsequently sold to the Honorable John Clotworthy Talbot Foster Whyte-Melville Skeffington, the 13th Viscount Massereene and Ferrard. Skeffington was noted for having driven the former Aston Martin Works Ulster, LM20, to an astonishing 5th overall at the 1937 24 Hours of Le Mans.
It is believed that the Rolls-Royce was subsequently advertised for sale in the July 1956 issue of
In response to the ad, Wesley B. Hartman imported the Continental to Scottsdale, Arizona.
In 1962, Alan McEwan purchased the car and would retain it for 46 years. In 2008, the car was purchased by its current owner. A short time later, the car was given a restoration. In 2009, the completed Continental was invited to the Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance where it participated in the Tour d'Elegance before Sunday's big event. It achieved a First in Class and was further awarded as the Gwenn Graham Most Elegant Convertible.
In 2010, it won First in Class and Best of Show at 9 major events, including the La Jolla Concours, the Belmont Concours, the Hillsborough Cocours, the Capitol Concours, the Niello Serrano Concours, and the Ironstone Concours, and was the 2010 Champion with the SCCA, frequently scoring a perfect 100 points. The following year, the car won First in Class and Best of Show at the Forest Grove Concours and First in Class and Best of Show at the Santa fe Concours.
In 2012, the car was invited to take part in the Windsor Castle Concours of Elegance. In May of 2013 the car was invited to the Concorso d'Eleganza Villa d'Este, where it was awarded Most Elegant Rolls-Royce and a Second in Class.
Sport Touring Saloon
Chassis Num:
Engine Num: QU-45-C
High bid of $165,000 at
2014 RM Auctions.
(did not sell)
Chassis number 2MY is an original factory trials car fitted with many prototype features. The car was used as a trials car by the factory for a decade and it was the first Phantom II to be fitted and tested with many innovation features that would later make their way onto the entire Phantom II series. This was also the first Continental Phantom II with a high-lift camshaft, heavy-duty exhaust valves, a high ratio rear axle, a crankshaft with balance weights, and cast-iron brake drums. This was also the first Rolls-Royce to display the Rolls-Royce logo on the wheel hubs, and the first with 11-degree bonnet louvers. The car has a Rolls-Royce 20/25 radiator mascot along with Lucas horns and brackets.
The trials were completed on January 3rd of 1933, when the car was sent to Barker & Company to be fitted with a sport touring saloon body, number 6684. In the next six months, it was then used as a sales demonstrator and driven by Captain Len Cox. In June 1933, it was returned to the London Service Department for special pistons to be installed. After additional tuning, it was used for road testing over the next year by Sir Malcolm Campbell.
On August 4th of 1933, the car was road tested by
who reported it as having a timed top speed of 92.31 mph.
The car was sold by the factory on November of 1934 to Major P. Gribble, who traded in his 8-Litre Bentley and received an £500 allowance on the Continental. Subsequent owners included William Klein Jr. of Elizabethtown, PA, and D.L. Masland, of Camp Hill, PA.
The car has been the recipient of recent cosmetic and mechanical freshening. It was repainted in rich mulberry with a claret coachline. There is a new stainless exhaust system, electric overdrive, a new cylinder head, a ring gear, and new engine mounts. The car was used in Australia in 2004 for a commemorative tour.
The car has its original offside touring spare, polished Ace wheel discs, a center 'anti-dazzle' lamp, and dual Lucas 'Mellotone' trumpet horns, as well as its original registration plate.
The overhead valve six-cylinder engine displaces 7688cc and offers 120 horsepower. There is a four-speed gearbox and four-wheel servo-assisted brakes.
By Daniel Vaughan | Feb 2014
Three-Position Drophead Coupe
Chassis Num:
Engine Num: CJ-85
This Rolls-Royce Phantom II Continental wears a Three-Position Drophead Coupe body built by the coachbuilder Barker. It was ordered by Captain John Wanamaker Jr. of New York and Philadelphia in 1933. The car was in Mr. Wanamaker's care for only a short period of time, as he died unexpectedly on November 30, 1934, at age 45. The car returned to England in 1936 after being sold to Sir Terence J. O'Connor. Patrick D. de Laszlo purchased the car around 1940 and reportedly hid it away for safe keeping during World War I. When the war ended, ownership passed to two additional British individuals before returning to the United States in 1959 and into the care of Herman R. Zinn of Rochelle Park, New Jersey. Since that time, the car has spent time in the care of several individuals in the US, England, and Switzerland. The current caretaker purchased it in 2009 from a Switzerland based owner.
The car is currently finished in a garnet tone over black fenders. The interior is buttery tan hides and Wilton wool carpet.
The car was displayed in 2011 and 2015 at the Concorso d'Eleganza Villa d'Este in Cernobbio, Italy.
By Daniel Vaughan | Oct 2016
The Phantom II was the first completely new car since the 20HP seven years earlier. The Phantom II was still rated 40/50 HP but was lower and the springing half-elliptic all around.
The car, although to Royce's design and specification, was mainly the work of his West Wittering design team and included many innovations and a redesigned engine that, wîth the gearbox, was now one unit.
The introduction of the Phantom II, only four years after the Phantom I, was prompted again by increased competition from other manufacturers, particularly Buick and Sunbeam. Ironically, the head of Buick had bought a Phantom I and, which so impressed everyone at Buick that they stripped it and copied much of what they learned.
Royce himself knew they were lagging behind: 'I have long considered our present chassis out of date. The back axle, gearbox, frame, springs have not been seriously altered since 1912. Now we all know it is easier to go the old way, but I so fear disaster by being out of date, and I have a lot of stock left, and by the sales falling off by secrets leaking out, that I must refuse all responsibility for a fatal position unless these improvements in our chassis are arranged to be shown next autumn, and to do this they must be in production soon after midsummer 1929.'
Royce was influenced by the lines of the current Riley Nine, and the manner in which the rear passenger's feet were tucked comfortably under the front seats in 'boxes', enabling 'close-coupled' coachwork to be fitted. Royce decided to build a special version of the car for his personal use.
Superb coachwork wîth modern styling was now available and Royce decided on a lightweight sporting body, which Ivan Evenden designed and Bakers built. This car became the forerunner of the legendary Phantom II Continentals.
The chassis is the standard Phantom II short model wîth a few modifications. These consist of a low §teering column and specially selected springs. There never was a defined speciation of a Continental Phantom II. The series to series engineering improvements were applied to all chassis.
Source - Rolls-Royce Motor Cars Limited
The Rolls-Royce Phantom II was very similar to the Phantom I in many ways, but brought improvements such as a higher horsepower rating and the removal of the traditional torque-tube drive. Instead, the engine and gearbox were constructed in unit with each other rather than being separate. The Autovac was now using an engine-driven pump. A new water-heated induction system was used. The Battery and magneto ignition was the same as in the Phantom I. Built-in centralized lubrication was now a standard feature and the Catilever rear springs were shed in favor of semi-elliptic units. The bodies of the car sat atop of a separate sub-frame which helped eliminate distortion.
After the construction of the first Phantom II, named the 18 EX, it was put through its paces on a 10,000-mile test drive to identify the vehicles short-comings and to ensure the vehicle was constructed to Rolls-Royce standards. The car was driven on many types of terrain and at various speeds. It was reported that the car drove best at 70-mph.
Most of the left-hand drive coachwork, those vehicles intended for the United States market, was handed by Brewster and Co. The European versions were bodied by names such as Hooper, Arthur Mulliner, Park Ward, Barker, and Thrupp & Maberly.
Construction of the Phantom II lasted from 1929 through 1935, at which point it was succeeded by the Phantom III and its large twelve-cylinder engine.
By Daniel Vaughan | Feb 2007
Phantom II / Phantom II Continental
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Four years U.S. Army 1967-1971.
17 mos. 14 days RVN followed by 5 mos 27 days hospital.
Sgt E-5 Infantry/Ranger and 9 mos Gunner/Crew Chief UH-1C gunships.
This is a discussion on Veterans Roll Call within the Law Enforcement, Military & Homeland Security Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; USMC 1961-1988 Retired as a MGySgt E-9 Cuban Missile Crisis (at Gitmo) RVN 1963-1966 RVN 1967-1868 RVN 1970-1971 3 MAUs (Granada, Lebanon and Saigon pullout)...
Retired as a MGySgt E-9
Cuban Missile Crisis (at Gitmo)
3 MAUs (Granada, Lebanon and Saigon pullout)
Retired Marine, Retired School Teacher, Independent voter, Goldwater Conservative.
Four years U.S. Army 1967-1971.
17 mos. 14 days RVN followed by 5 mos 27 days hospital.
Sgt E-5 Infantry/Ranger and 9 mos Gunner/Crew Chief UH-1C gunships.
1960 thru 1966 USN. spent 4 years beaching marines in nam. feel sorry for the troops over seas now. like Vietnam, the country is loosing steam. God Bless them and bring them home safe. Merry Christmas
Going to Church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in the garage makes you a sports car.
MC-130P Pilot, 1997-2009
MC-130E Pilot, 2009 - ??
U.S. Coast Guard, 1978-1998 (1978-1985 enlisted; 1985-1998 officer). Specilized in Port Security and Maritime counter-terrorism; helped developw PSD tactics and strategy during Desert Shield/Desert Storm. Retired as O-4 from CG HQ. Wish I was back!
Nothing to brag about here. Joined the Air Force upon HS graduation in 1968. I always liked airplanes. Basic Training was Amarillo AFB, TX. Shipped to Sheppard AFB, TX for 1-2 jet engine tech school. I screwed that up. I was a teenager with no direction. During the Vietnam war if you showed no interest in schooling, Uncle Sam transferred your butt elsewhere. No guidance provided. I was sent to SAC in ground support for B52 and KC135's. One station was an isolated 15 month tour to Labrador, Canada. I think it was an air base for unruly airman. My last assignment was WPAFB, Dayton, OH. Discharged in 1972. I was still proud to serve America, just not happy with Uncle Sam's treatment.
May we never forget those in uniform who protect us night and day in lands far away. And those in all wars who paid the supreme sacrifice in defense of our country. May God Bless our Troops and First Responders.
Blue Jacket;
Greetings from another Amarillo A.F.B. basic training alumni (1966).
I got North Dakota for 4 years..better than Labrador? I don't know.
" Keep On Packin' On The Bimah"
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Twentyone years active duty Air Force. Retired as Law Enforcement and Corrections Supervisor, MSgt/E7. Currently LEO in Western Massachusetts.
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December 03, 2013
TDI Proposes Navigator Rules To Protect Texas Consumers
AUSTIN - The Texas Department of Insurance (TDI) has proposed rules to strengthen protections for consumers who seek assistance from federal health exchange navigators. The rules propose criminal background checks, privacy training, proof of identity, and evidence of financial responsibility for individuals providing the navigator assistance.
"In Texas, we are being vigilant about safeguarding privacy and keeping personal information out of the wrong hands," Commissioner of Insurance Julia Rathgeber said. "These proposed rules address insufficiencies in federal regulations and make the training and qualifications of navigators in our state more readily apparent to consumers and service providers."
Senate Bill (SB) 1795 passed by the 83rd Texas Legislature requires the Commissioner of Insurance to set standards ensuring that navigators can perform their required duties if federal standards are determined to be insufficient.TDI posted an outline of concerns with federal regulation of navigators on November 15, 2013, following an informal stakeholder meeting conducted on September 30, 2013.
Under the proposed rules, entities and individuals providing enrollment assistance in the federal health exchange would be required to register with TDI.
Requirements for navigator registrations would include:
- Proof of U.S. citizenship or immigration status to obtain employment in U.S.
- Documentation of compliance with education requirements
- Fingerprinting and background check
- Evidence of financial responsibility to protect individuals against wrongful acts
Navigators would be prohibited from the following:
- Charging consumers for providing information about health coverage
- Selling, soliciting, or negotiating health insurance coverage
- Recommending a specific health benefit plan
- Providing advice regarding substantive benefits or comparative benefits of different health plans
- Engaging in electioneering activities or financing or otherwise supporting the candidacy of an individual for government positions
Under the proposed rules, Texas Insurance Code provisions related to privacy and protection of personal information would also apply to navigators.
The rules have been submitted to the
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Mikey and Ryder both had high expectations for the Celtics in game 6 of their series with the 76ers and now there's a game 7. They give their predictions on the game and talk about what the Celtics need to correct before they play.
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Hi everybody welcome to the program this as your host Michael K -- cent par the next few hours and down. Alongside made Jon Delano a writer headset. Has said read over here who is that supposed to -- I don't know I'm just talking. I just you know get warmed up although it's most of these ran out of falls short on time -- to a report this I -- have -- phone lines all my launch regular everybody get on -- talk about whatever they wanna talk about to a complaint about last -- Celtics -- they -- expressed some doubt about the future of the Celtics team -- they go forward and win. This game seven coming up Saturday which I'm going to by the -- -- nice and then good -- Monday either gonna start playing the Miami -- best I can see it it's all laid out from armies like. It's like a crystal ball like a look at it took crystal ball here. Okay they win Sunday they they played Monday when Miami. If you have tickets for the game I just wanna tell you it's Saturday not Sunday but I said Sunday OK sorry Saturday I'll be there Saturday night of course. At the Boston T. -- TD garden I'll be there and I will have. When -- dances late the Celtics about the win game seven and go on the Eastern Conference finals I will have. A full beer. Balanced dominant so very as is the tradition you have a geno gave you have like 120 point blowout Abbott doesn't need between duke and dance with twelve point lead you know -- well how law how much time. That's to be limited time left two minutes or so -- get it done. I promise that to use the radio listener our phone number six or 77790588525. Series fifty call often call early. Campbell -- -- because we -- at the opportunity to have a conversation for ladies coming into greatness great. So any of two weeks ago one week interest got to talk to any but the great restaurant turned me onto -- for any reason. Also. The the Red Sox. That it all the data we had a whole -- of negativity on your -- a four month in me. I mean it was all over washing over us like -- high tide. And yet now no one's really complaining about the Red Sox I mean are there there there are just believers out there and then Bobby -- -- -- winning the championship now so. Well Bobby says they play like they have been they indeed if you win ten out of thirteen games for the rest you you will win the championship. What -- you'd finished first you'd have a good shot at a Bobby V has taken a lack of heat. And I am at this point really kind of feel that it was unjust. But it wasn't fair now did you make some tactical errors in game yes couple times has been moments where you could say well I wouldn't it don't matter -- do that. I understand that but it's the big picture got to look at -- Francona had those moments to Wear the wrong move was meant every manager does right so. The Bobby -- thing I noticed it was when he first got sign. Is that Bobby being Bobby game that was playing dollar about VV about it via now it site a kind. And that's what winning does for -- -- out there that has what they call legitimate complaint about Bobby Valentine still at this moment in time. Then we'd like to hear from what I would you know -- a small percentage you know 1215%. From the start. A small percentage not -- and assault positives as far as -- I got to -- You know I think really the real problem the Red Sox this year so -- I -- to be just -- the bearer of the bad excuse. It's been injuries. That's been pardoned. Some lousy starting pitching electorate here there's seven games of this five and a half games out of first place. How much of a difference would have made. If they if they'd won 34 more games OK as far as what what people think it because there's not a whole lot of teams that are. You know -- -- -- played 700 baseball well who. To who was injured on the starting staff. No but not talk but the starting staff I'm talking about the what you could say you know that did. Daisuke and and they lost their closer and they had to ship should -- some people -- a question and evident. -- your bureau at number two news in the voting -- Jereme Perry. I Ellsbury is a -- huge you know it's and it's amazing how that's that's very important is right there could be -- -- what's amazing is how those outfielders the Cody Ross's Ryan Sweeney's Daniel -- is some of these guys who have picked it up on the picked up the -- seven outfielders on the ball and -- injuring themselves Osama -- you're right seven outfielders on the -- this is -- but you know what they can't. You can go a little ladies would -- that but it. If you're getting deep into the season without cast the characters eventually. They'll start to fail ourselves again negative comment -- you. What do you think so all right so Cody Ross is gonna finish there in the MVP I don't know -- is that about. Who finishes third or what who has what totals about dated date in and out every single they get the job done. Just because here's over the top optimistic does make a negative over the then -- be the right Derrick Rose right. A stake -- MBA example okay. Goes down with a knee injury right here on that's not a factor huge. It's huge as he's on his replacement but there's more than five guys on the best right but it is -- to his replacement. Is CJ Watson yeah all right Jacoby Ellsbury is replacements. Right you know who the group unions are what I'm saying is eventually you'll catch up to maybe not. No maybe no no no because his other things that can happen to that's why you got 910 guys contribute each and every win maybe -- anymore maybe 111213. Pitching staff -- -- In -- guys can come up step up and do more than you expected from them. You know you can get better numbers out of some people or even not even better numbers more clutch. Because it's it's in baseball. We -- know that the worst hitters get a hit one out of five times the best there's gonna hit one out of three times. Somewhere in between. You know that extra hit the guy answer in scoring position to win. -- well look at the off is the offense -- -- and I -- -- the tough start there this is so simplistic theory is the -- bettors are getting better starting -- besides buckled their offense leads there and the top of the league yet and -- -- we're gonna run -- when they were when they were and -- -- still -- was when they were well below 500 their offense for the most borrowers still collecting. The the last a last place you're standing there bottoms and one they were struggling out of the -- they still there ERA has marched down from the high fives to move to the mid force -- -- -- -- in my point as -- order no way for the -- -- is that it's a timing thing it's like last year they were awful hitting the clutch they were awful late in games and still. You know that's that's not a good thing. But when you're stats are there when -- plus minus compared to your opposition is is -- and now it's up to around brought a seventeen -- team. There -- 500. Added their second in runs second in batting average. The first by a mile in doubles which this is a double sitting team not add doubles -- -- -- at the their their bullpen too has been terrific. That's absolutely tremendous and they have the best closer in major leagues in May actually -- -- -- yeah he is right now. Since April 23 John. I've -- I will tell you right now. This is the best closer in the major leagues since Prado his appointment since April 23 I think Jim Johnson's better know Baltimore to tape -- ethics let's look at an automatic since the beginning let's look at. Let's look at how since April 23 parent -- Jim Johnson that's even his real name. Has -- editorials. And that will take calls -- 6177790850. Strike Kyle on the -- just to get one out of the way here he sixteen saves noble -- days since fortunately there is no overall this season zero point 87 a year Albertson's for 23 well he's perfect saves -- -- -- just give -- were -- -- -- game -- okay go -- cup. I have always want to I don't like you do what. I'd -- draw down to Philadelphia last night unfortunately and got an aspect of much of the band called during the game at my job and the piano black you. You know -- these stadiums and stuff. Obviously I was -- -- -- unity and in Milan paper and the pacers into it come and they open up. I'll let let folks pacers beat the nobody else -- 36 citizenry in other cases can be 76 -- -- like that. Kids who don't you don't stand in that bit disappointed that this but I the topics on the other hand -- playing in -- pot without that he energy whatsoever. I think in Russia and watching them okay without any regret they would -- -- -- going into the game I mean. On defense they were slow on offense or slower and needs to get anything done and the crowd inside a utility. On the -- -- every time -- -- -- but wouldn't it wasn't I don't know what's the whatsoever on Iraq those particular that do most rapidly economically it would Obama will. Rondo played poorly last night defensively SI mean it this that guy what's his name holiday. How well you know a lot of that till he did but a lot of that is done is on Ray Allen some of the other guys that I don't know -- -- got into foul trouble no real early its its triple pet. That they were allowing so much dribble penetration Rondo was gambling too much as usual many had to pick up that. They were getting in the -- -- was getting in lanes too easy but you know what a great -- got -- got two quick fouls and a third one pretty quickly right well and and and there's yeah there's no back -- plan on him know what do you think there was just but you know why it was happening as -- as -- plan on one leg and he's region. That he has just also you here's almost playing sloppy defense north step in upland. Would -- blue -- that's going to spend enormous step not a blatant take it but I think. Except for a block anything almost. And would not help you spent thirty rock and honest thank you very easy. The captain getting -- I'm in pierce and Allen I think your point I don't you know what can count on. Part of that is night -- he'd made the whole big drive down it Phillies so it's and it bothers you maybe more than other people plus it'd take crap. From Philly fans which is never fun even if you Santa Claus you get crap are down there but what would you got to look at is Saturday. Saturday game seven when they win that game and they will it'll all be behind -- you can go on from there. Yeah exactly but I was peripatetic didn't really play with the same executive airplane Philadelphia which obviously they want that they -- Don't play with energy but I need to break it which got him into -- loose puck and I didn't get to take all the -- I -- I won't look -- how they get it done last time they beat him without without Avery Bradley. It was two games ago how'd they get that done a sixty point oh win it well of them it. Yet they -- -- well and that game was different because what they were doing in that game was there are paying more attention to reality were there -- letting Ray Allen have that space this time. And they're paying attention mortar and in Philly on offense it was as simple as this. Philly would spread everyone out. And then they'd attack off the dribble no Bradley that that's what they did the whole game and Holliday was either going and sat or or kick it out. Their their pick and roll they couldn't defend the pick and roll so they were just abusing -- the whole time you know bothers me and I think he's on steroids. It would dollars. I think he's on steroids have you seen a way he's built well I'll tell you what I like him better as he's better. But rather meant to free throw line issue in the three. Right to say he's done a bug me a little bit I'm thinking -- good player calling my friend down in New Orleans that lady that witch queen and an ever -- up nights so voodoo -- for him for next game you don't use it that we should do that patio. The idea that you look up some. He's on the phone I'll wait at least we must be somebody import. Then Evan Turner was Killen different times Ray Allen in the post in that post him up he'd just uses him he's stronger than race so there -- a lot of different problems that patio would choose. Google voodoo hacks. Women which doctors that type people down in New Orleans. May be -- called down there and get. Somebody just put a hex on -- would dollar and and also maybe answer questions -- about him -- museum steroids legacy years I think he has. Steroids -- -- Mike I think that's probably heard that before if there's anybody in on steroids in this league aside from Dwight Howard. These Iguodala Carol -- who appear outside shot might help your insight and -- agencies -- ways built the way he walks is -- -- analysts is to cut these -- these freaky. He's ripped join a card Joseph go -- bodies NBA guys worked -- -- I understand where did what a lot of homework -- doesn't mean have to be only good made the mullahs don't have muscle headed look and do well joke. -- -- -- Yes. And I got Iraq. Like a dog yet today. A lot about the only all at all. And I can -- depending Rondo he did that blood object winning example. -- talent that sound out. It's very concise analysis on your report. This -- nice concise analysis on your report very very well spoken. Really I don't there. You and tiger got a lot of good oh I get -- let -- -- I don't -- -- expected that you went opposite oh. It's not always at. No what I said was the gambled too much. Did you don't think that he had to help out on defense in terms of blood in terms of Rleal and is liabilities. In them penetrating and going. It and the dribble penetration. -- what did your. Children and tell us what you ya I wanna I wanna hear would you. Would you like silk could. It we're doing what it. -- Yeah do what I say -- gamble and isolation he was. That what they need it was Avery Bradley on ice owes more on on Jrue Holiday holiday was killed a month on -- -- -- -- -- down around all after the fact. Console launch period a guy like. And all I thought I mean there. Overhead and he -- -- forestry player award yet you're not to that it had -- probably the super hot. I'd go play -- get dumped on to protect. And every day. Do any good -- and you are gonna say. What it late back Ricky yet. All right Joseph I think he -- a -- Part of it is when you watch the game and you really cocked. Yeah not necessarily gonna see everything. You know you're gonna react strongly Richard -- and it's -- right I heard some of the ideas for you should check out late at night. And some of these eggs come -- and I had steam asthma playing more for Kevin Garnett. I had and E'Twaun Moore should be getting really you know 1520 minutes yeah a game yet. But that. You know he's -- he's got a look at it beyond the front for another Bradley's -- when -- yet. We're going -- you know you got -- These little help from Peter quijano as inflationary gave us -- post acute problem it's that they bring it close up that happen and you don't hear from the extremely streaky.


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Rubby De La Rosa has been in the news lately thanks to the Sox development program, and the "news" that Rubby's grandmother was a nanny for Pedro Martinez when he was a boy. It doesn't take much about Pedro to get Red Sox fans' attention.
Anyway, I dare you to read this piece by Alex Speier and not immediately mark Rubby down for eight Cy Youngs over the next decade:
"His main pitch is his tremendous fastball, anywhere from 94-100 mph with very good movement on it. His main secondary out-pitch is his changeup, which is what we consider in the scouting world [on the 20-80 scouting scale, with 80 being the highest) an 80 changeup. It's very deceptive, especially with his arm speed and fastball,"Chuck Crim, De La Rosa's pitching coach in Double-A Chattanooga in both 2011 and 2012, recalled in October. "He's got a put-away, strikeout changeup. He's got a slider. He's got a curveball.
"He's pretty creative. As soon as he starts to spin pitches, he likes to change arm angles, create different breaks. It's really one main kind of breaking ball that he uses different angles with. But his main secondary is the put-away changeup. It's an 80. It's unbelievable."
Ooh, baby. Hard thrower with a perfect changeup? Sign me up.
Of course, the Red Sox have been very cautious with young players lately. Jose Iglesias is likely to spend yet another year in Pawtucket. Ryan Lavarnway, barring a trade or Mike Napoli not signing, might do the same. Felix Doubront took forever to be ready. The only guy they took a chance on was converting Daniel Bard into a starter, and we all know how that turned out.
So we'll see on Rubby. But hopefully sooner rather than later.