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Abilene Reporter-News, The (Newspaper) - December 10, 1970, Abilene, Texas "WITHOUT OR WITH OFFENSE TO FRIENDS OR FOES WE SKETCH YOUR WORLD EXACTLY AS IT 90TH YEAR, NO. 180 PHONE 673-4271 ABILENE, TEXAS, 79604, THURSDAY EVENING, DECEMBER 10, 1970-FIFTY.TWO PAGES IN FOUR SECTIONS IQc DAILY-25c SUNDAY Auoclaud Preii (ff) Rail Clerks Ignoring Strike Ban By BLUE RUCKER Why Do Police Hide So Much? Q. Why do the City Police spend so ranch time hiding behind every blind corner In tan to pin a ticket on some poor working man or lady, and es- pecially on some young student trying to make his way through school? It's a disgrace (or the citizens ol Abilene to have to see this they drive across town, not to mention the tourist. Who Is responsible? The Police Chief, City Manager or City Council, or do they know what's going on? A. The Chief of Police is responsible for Ihe policemen, and duel Dodson says he doesn't encourage his men to hide behind billboards, but to stay on the pub- lic streets. However, in a problem area where the accident rate Is high, he needs to find out police officers often park off the street to observe. He added that many times when we think a policeman Is hiding in wait for us, he's actually just filling out an accident report. Dodson sent this message to you, "If you're a law abiding citizen then you have nothing to worry about anyway." Q. I need a little help. With the molded salad season approaching, I wonder If there's anyway of keeping bananas from turning dark in gelatin salad? A. There are two theories: One home economist says sprinkle them with a tiny bit of fresh lime juice, another says to sprinkle the bananas with a little lemon juice. But sour juices seem to have it. Q. Is It possible to get a sign put np on our street from both directions say- Ing "Children I have seven children, on weekends and alter school they tend to be all over the street play- ing and my two smallest ones just wander on out Into the street without looking. If this Is possible, how do I go about gelling II done? A. The Cily Traffic Engineer would be the one to see, but it won't do much good in this case because the Traffic Depl. doesn't use this type of sign at all. Bud Taylor said he's had several requests for it, but has so many signs to maintain already that he's going to try to do without that one. Would you like the address of a fence company? Q. Whenever a phone number Is dialed which has been disconnected or Is out of order a recording comes on and something like, "The number yon have dialed Is not a working number. Please make sure yon have the right nnmber or have dialed correctly." This Is fine; It doesn't bother me at all. But before the message comes on there's a deep sigh that I can't stand. To me It's just like someone saying, "Well, stupid, what's the mat- ter. Can't you even dial the right num- Why the sigh? Is It supposed to be psychological and make you more careful about dialing or Is It just a bad recording? A. It's neither, and Sam Ogletree, manag- er of Southwestern Bell In Abilene assures us It's not meant to irritate anyone. But since it apparently does, he's trying to get It removed. The phone company hasn't de- termined exactly what causes the sound; seems to have something to do with trans- ferring from a live telephone connection to a recording. Ogletree can't promise to eliminate might not be able but he's going to try. Q. Where could I got Information on bow much money the Beatles have made while they were the No. 1 rock group? A. According to sources at the Library, the Beatles themselves don't even know. They probably quit counting. Between 1963 and 1969 they sold over 300 million records, a record for fastest sales. In 1966 at Shea Sladium in NYC, they were paid high- est fee ever paid any recording artists for a single Address questions to Action Une, Box 30, Abilene 79601. Names wfll not be used but questions must be signed and addresses given. Please Include telephone numbers If possible. TWS1MT Amuitrritnii Bridg. Biairwii Nolti Cloiilticd Camici Hospital Potienu ObiluofiM 7D 6 A. ENTRANCE WPATRbHSONlY 3 Other Unions to Return SUM by Dm lliklir LOCAL RAILAVAY WORKERS AMONG STRIKE VANGUARD left to right, A. D. Lopez, F. G. Gallan and D. L. Jalomo 30 Rail Workers Affected By Walkout in City Yards By JIM CONLEY Reporter-News Start Writer In Abilene, the nationwide rail workers strike is affecting some 30 employes of Texas and Pacific Railway Co., and T P Motor Transport Co. n. 0. (Bill) Shank, assistant terminal manager, said Thurs- day morning about 12 truck drivers are out and IS to 20 rail- way employes are on strike. He said that since Ihe Brotherhood of Railway Clerks went out, the motor transport not crossing picket lines. "SUPERVISORS ARE the only ones at work here with the he said. And he is only answering the telephone. "Our warehouse Is locked he said. Asked how the strike might affect local Industry and people in general, he said, "A lew years ago when there was a rail strike near Christmas, some one said 'They just shot Santa Claus.' And I guess that's about the size of it now." AS FAR AS unloading cars that have already been shipped, Shank said that supervisors or ACC Grad Named To Juvenile Post By ROY A. JONES n Reporter-News Staff Writer A 22-year-old May graduate of Abilene Christian College, Dale Philips Bulland, has been appoinled acting juvenile officer for Taylor County, succeeding Jack Landrum, who resigned recently. SHOPPING DAYS TIL CHRISTMAS Rutland's appointment by Juvenile Judge Henry Strauss, with the approval of the county Juvenile Board, was announced Thursday morning. T II E APPOINTMENT Is effective Dec. 15 at a monthly salary of somewhat less than the veteran Landrum was drawing. Landrum resigned last month to become law enforcement cooridinator for the West Central Texas Council of Governments, headquartered in Abilene. Rutland was chosen as acting juvenile officer from approximately 14 applicants, See BUTLAND, Pg. 10A other railway officials are run- ning what trains they can, delivering them to the busi- nesses whose employes unload them independently. He said that, in regard to the motor transport business, the big end of the business Is the trailer loads of goods which are carried to their destinations on railroad flalcars. "I JUST DONT think the nation can stand it (the Shank said. "They'll have to do something." Speaking again of local condi- tions, he said that the strike would not cause a food shortage in Abilene because railroad cars will still be spotted to the food wholesale houses for unloading as usual. A more far reaching effect, and one not mentioned a great deal so far. Is the blow the strike will make on the auto industry, from delivery of new cars to parts. SUB PYLAND, vice president of Mcliwain Cadillac in Abilene, said Thursday that if the freight lines are affected (as they eeem to be) it could mean another lack of parts for automobiles. "We have one new car In stock he said, "and four more were due this month, fhey are shipped piggyback (trailer on rail) from Detroit to Dallas, then to us. Now we just don't know what will happen." Mcllwain's, like other General Motors dealers, was already sent reeling by the recent GM strike, which made deliveries of Sec STRIKE, Pg. UA By NEIL GILBRIDE AP Labor Writer WASHINGTON (AP) Strik- ing trainmen paralyzed the rail system nationwide today al- though the ranks of the walkout showed signs ol breaking In the first few hours. Still, hundreds of thousands of suburban commuters had to find other ways to work and freight was stalled while three of four unions In the strike said they were canceling their strike orders. The Brother- hood of Railway Clerks held out, saying nothing despite congres- sional and court bans on the strike, and a plea from Presi- dent Nixon to slay on the job. Spot checks showed members of the other three unions were honoring the clerks' picket lines. Penn-Central spokesmen said they doubted anyone would come back until picket lines dis- solved. Overland passenger trains sat In Los Angeles terminals, noth- ing was happening with the Southern Pacific In Arizona and in Chicago commuters switched to cars and buses for a way to work. As for the clerks, their head- quarters said an announcement of some sort would be made sometime later In the day. In Philadelphia a clerks leader said: "We're still on strike." In Cleveland some clerks were working under a court Injunc- tion, some were out A first Indicator of the -eco- nomic consequences of the strike was seen in West Virginia where 800 coal miners were turned away because of a coal car shortage. Spokesmen for the Industry In the state said all mines would be shut down by midnight Friday the strike continues. Coal Is fuel for heat and electricity in the nation's urban centers. At the While House, press sec- retary Ronald L. Ziegler ex- pressed optimism the clerks would Join the three other unions in ordering their men back to work. "We expect (hat the fourth un- Inn also will comply with Ihe said Ziegler. Rescinding strike orders were the United Transportation Un- ion, (he Brotherhood of Mainte- nance Way and the Hotel, Res- taurant and Bartenders Interna- tional, which represents dining car employes. Said the dining car workers' president, Ed Miller: "It Is the policy of this International union to obey the law." "We'll stay out until our Inter- national officers tell us to go said 48-year-old Jim Loach, donning a picket sign at Vashington's Union Station a few blocks from the floodlit U. S. Capitol where Congress en- acted the law ordering a strike All Indicators Up At 4lh Hour Close Industrials were up 5.48, transportation was up .23 and utilities were up .35, at the end of fourth hour trading Thurs- day on the New York Slock Ex- change. The New York Com- posite was up .24. Volume was shares, reported the Abilene .office of Schneider, Bemet and Hickman, Inc. delay until March 1. "They are prepared to with- hold their labor until they achieve equitable conditions of said Dennis, president of the Brotherhood of Railway Clerks, largest of four AFLC10 unions hi the dispute. The strikers, who haven't had a pay raise since mid-1969, had exhausted delaying provisions of the Railway Labor Act over more than a year of protracted negotiations before walking off their jobs. "The only thing that could keep us from going out would be hearing from the President him- self that the strike had been set- said a union official set- ting up picket lines In Salt Lake Cily. The UTU withdrawal was an- nounced in Cleveland by W. W. Carson, assistant to Charles Luna, the union's president. In telegrams to all genera] chairmen and international offi- cers, Carson advised that be- cause Congress President Nixon tion prohibiting a strike and guaranteeing a wage increase that UTU was canceling its part in the strike. The strike, which began at a.m. was the nation's third In the last 50 years. The emergency law passed by Congress early today ordered the strikers back to work with a partial pay increase. "They are increasingly angry and said strike leader C. L. Dennis of the nearly workers who walked out at a.m. and showed no Immediate inclination to return in compliance with the new law, a plea from President Nixon and a federal court order. "The men and women who work for the railways have had a bum rap for a long Dennis said. Husband III, Mother Asks Goodfellow Aid Typical of the requests being received by the Goodfellows Is this one from a mother of five. "My husband is very ill and may go to the hospital, and I am not working at this time. I have three girls and two sons that will not nave a Happy Merry Christmas due to the (act that we just don't have the money. "1 would be very grateful U you would help me. We need clothes and food most of all. I will be happy for anything." A TOTAL of was received In Thursday morning's mail bringing the total received to date to towards the goal of Requests and contributions should be mailed to the Good- fellows, The Abilene-Reporter News, P. 0. Box 30, Abilene, Texas, 79604. "I am asking your help for another mother writes. "My husband doesn't have a job. I have sti children and they won't have a Merry Christmas unless you help us. I need toys, food and clothes anything you can help me with. Thank you and God Bless you." ONE ABILENE woman writes: "There are two families that need your help. One family has seven children and the other has three. They need clothes, most of all...... "But please I want the children happy of those families. So, please help them with clothes and toys for the chil- dren." Junior League volunteers check out all letters and recom- mendations, with the help of city-county welfare workers, whether families arc eligible for scrip to buy clothes and food and whether they should be authorized to shop for toys and dolls at the Goodfellow Store when it opens Dec. 14. LATEST CONTRIBUTORS: Mr. 4 Mrs. Haddon R. Anderson 10.00 Mrs. Fcrrell Boyd 5.00 Mr. Mrs. T. P. Holmes 5.00 Soroptimist Gub of Abilene 50.00 Vivian Fryar-ln memory of W. G. Dickey 5 00 Mr. Mrs. A. E. Wells 15.00 Anonymous 1.00 Employes from Arrow Ford, Inc. 100.00 Kelly and Mitchell 5.00 Lucy Mae Martin 5.00 Mr. Mrs. Kay McKelvaln 5.00 Anonymous 25.00 Anonymous 10.00 Malcom Supply Company 25.00 Archie Faulks 5.00 Hattle Grisham 2.00 Anonymous 6.00 Anonymous 20.00 Anonymous 10.00 Stanley P. Wilson 50.00 Mrs. Paul R Scott 15.00 Grace Marie Scott 10.00 Mr. Mrs. Tom Stoker 10.00 Mr. Mrs. J. Newton House 10.00 Griswold Class St Paul Methodist Church 50.00 Employes of Mrs. Baird's Bakeries 50.00 Mr. Mrs. Harold C. Hale 5.00 In lieu of Christmas Cards Mrs. L. J. Ackers 10.00 Holly Jr., C-ena, Emily Toler 23.00 Tim Suzanne Jones 25.00 Tracy Velanne Rowland 25.00 Anonymous 10.00 Anonymous 10.00 K.A. Davis In memory of Hazel L. Davis 10.00 Merry Christmas from Mr. and Mrs. J. C. Haller 25.00 Previously Total to Pate WEATHER U.S. DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE Nltional Wtitntr Itnlca (Wtatntr Map Pg. 14-A) ABILENE AMD VICINITY (B mill rfltiiin) Partly cloudy and warm today and tonight, turnip cloudy and colder Friday. High today 73, low ton-qht 3a Hicn Friday 15. Wlndi wttferly n n mp.n. today, changing to nortfwly 11 n 20 m p.h. Friday. No rain forvcait. TEMPEIATURES pjn. Tiiundar (l 3.00 41 i.M Jt 71 roo a a a 61 10W 66 n High and lew fcr 24 hours ending f a.m.: H and fa. H'ign and low for data lait ytan 14 and n. Sunltt lait rtjht: Djn.. Sunrlia today: a.m. Suiual lorJgMi Jill p.m. Barometer reading at nooni a.Df In. Humidity at man: 41 per cent. An Assist to Merchants, Businessmen DA s Letter to List 'Hot Check' Writers J tft 2oD To Your Good Htallh 1100 TV Loa.............. "D Womtn'i Nfwi....... 2-7B By MERLE WATSON Reporter News Staff Writer District Attorney Ed Paynter sees the "hot check" problem as one worth working on. And to help merchants and business men In this area, the district attorney's office is Initialing an "SOS Newsletter" which will be published weekly. Sample copies have already been milled to many merchants. According to Paynter, the newsletter "lists in our judgment persons actively engaged In passing Insufficient or no account checks." ANY MERCHANT can subscribe to the newsletter lor Losses In the Thousands, Pg. 1R {1 per month and furnishing stamped, self addressed envelopes. The newsletter states that reference or mention of any person or persons Is not interpreted to be per so as statements derogatory of such person or persons, but Is merely Information compiled from sources believed to be reliable for the confidential use of the subscribers. Paynlrr said that production of the newsletter Is RO.irrd In begin about the first of the year. There Is a hot check problem here, the district attorney said, but he feels that the problem Is no worse here than It Is anywhere else. He bases this feeling on Information gathered in talking with other district attorneys. PAYNTER sees the problem divided Into two areas of people those wtio have no Intention of swindling and the real swindler. He said that those who have no Intention of swindling often write bad checks as a result of miscalculation or bad bookkeeping. The real swindler, he said, doesn't have any money In the bank and cnuld care less about the way bo gels money and goods without working for them. "The problem from our point nf view is deciding which one they are and deciding if there was an intent to he said. ONE OF THE district attorney's offices devotes 100 per cent of the time to "checks." "It Is the most visited office of the district he said. There are three times nf Ihe year when the passing of bad checks Is the most noticeable, according to Paynlrr. "The bad checks given during the Thjnksjivtng-Christnvu wason will hit our office In January." Other bad times, Paynter said, are just before the bcguilng of school and during vacation time. "One of the things we have tried to do Is get the merchant not to hriM on to the checks too long before bringing them to he said. "Once It Is evident check Is bad, we want the merchant to bring It In. We've got a pretty good chance of locating the Individual, but the longer the merchant waits, the chances of recovery diminish." PAYNTER SAID that one thing that Is unique about the See HOT CHECK IA ED PAYNTER N a ifier check puaen j ;
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Earth system history
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- PART I: MATERIALS, PROCESSES, AND PRINCIPLES Earth as a System Rock-Forming Minerals and Rocks The Diversity of Life Environments and Life Sedimentary Environments Correlation and Dating of the Rock Record Evolution and the Fossil Record The Theory of Plate Tectonics Continental Tectonics and Mountain Chains Major Chemical Cycles PART II: THE STORY OF EARTH The Hadean and Archean Eons of Precambrian Time The Proterozoic Eon of Precambrian Time The Early Paleozoic World The Middle Paleozoic World The Late Paleozoic World The Early Mesozoic World The Cretaceous World The Paleogene World The Neogene World The Holocene.
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- Taking a whole-earth approach to the study of geology, this text shows how Earth's ecosystem has developed over time, and how events in the past can help us deal with present and future changes. It contains full colour illustration program, including three-dimensional block diagrams to illustrate crucial cycles and concepts. The book is written by a highly respected author, who is also a paleontologist. Key themes and concepts are examined and a range of examples given to demonstrate real-world examples of Earth system history in action.
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Undercharging a power wheelchair will cause reduced range, as well as rapidly destroy the batteries. If you continuously use your power wheelchair before it's fully charged each morning, the batteries remain in a depleted state, which will cause rapid deterioration of the batteries. Whenever possible, avoid using a power wheelchair before it's fully charged.
How long can I leave the battery charger plugged into my power wheelchair?
Most power wheelchair battery chargers turn off automatically when the charge is complete, so there's no direct harm in leaving the charger plugged into the power wheelchair. However, battery chargers are subject to other dangerous factors, such as power surges from the home's utilities service, which may damage the power wheelchair. Therefore, it's recommended that you unplug the battery charger from the power wheelchair as soon as possible after recharging.
Can I use a different off-board battery charger than the one that came with my power wheelchair?
Battery charger plugs and power wheelchair charging port wiring patterns vary among manufacturers, so when one plugs a different charger into a power wheelchair, although the plugs may fit together, the wiring pattern may not match. If the wiring pattern is not the same, not only won't the wheelchair charge, but the battery charger may receive damage. For this reason, one cannot assume that an aftermarket off-board battery charger is compatible with a particular power wheelchair, and one should always confirm a battery charger's compatibility with the manufacturer before plugging it into the power wheelchair.
Do cold temperatures affect my batteries range?
The standard operating temperature of deep-cycle batteries is room temperature, 77F. Accordingly, battery capacity – or, range – decreases with lower temperatures, where operating a power wheelchair at 32F will decrease range by approximately 20%. Additionally, varying temperatures can adversely effect the recharging process, which is why batteries should ideally be recharged at room temperature.
How do I know if my batteries are safe for air travel?
Most gel and AGM deep-cycle batteries are air travel approved, and feature a label on the battery that reads to the affect of: "Sealed, non-spillable battery. F.A.A., C.A.B., I.A.T.A. And D.O.T. air transport approved." One should ensure that the batteries feature such labeling when traveling by commercial carrier.
How do I charge my North American power wheelchair on 220-240 volt AC systems in Europe and abroad?
Most power wheelchair manufacturers have 220-240 volt battery chargers available that simply plug in and recharge existing North American power wheelchairs when overseas. Alternatively, a heavy-duty transformer can be purchased from electronics retailers, allowing the use of a 110-120 volt charger overseas when properly matched.
Can I hook up a 12-volt accessory to one of my batteries?
A 12-volt accessory should never be hooked to a single battery in a power wheelchair. Power wheelchairs are 24-volt systems, with the batteries connected in series. If you drain one battery, the charger will not equalize the batteries. The result is one depleted battery, and one overcharged battery – a combination that will destroy the batteries.
What's the lifespan of deep-cycle batteries?
Battery life is directly related to how deeply they are discharged use after use. If a battery is discharged only 50% each day, it will have double the lifespan of if it's routinely discharged 80% (this is why it's inadvisable to use a power wheelchair several days before recharging the batteries). In everyday terms, someone who dramatically drains the batteries everyday may only get a year or less out of a set of batteries, where as a light users, who recharges fully after every use, may get several years of battery life. (Of course, poor charging habits overall will reduce the lifespan of the batteries, as well.) Still, this doesn't mean that one can't occasionally dramatically drain one's batteries; however, the less one repeatedly discharges batteries over the longterm, the longer they'll last.
My provider says that he tested the batteries, and they're fine, but my chair still isn't holding a charge – why is that?
Bad batteries often pass all tests, showing a false capacity. If the plates are sulfated or damaged, the batteries can read as a fully charged, but be functioning with limited capacity, where range is greatly reduced.
How should I store my batteries?
It's recommended that batteries are stored in a cool, dry place, but not below 32F, and charged every one to two weeks, ensuring that they remain fully charged, preventing deterioration. Stored deep-cycle batteries, including those installed in a stored power wheelchair, lose up to 15% of there charge each month – and if left uncharged, sulfation will destroy the batteries. Also, extreme heat can cause the lead within the batteries to deteriorate, so storing them in room or cooler temperatures is important.
Can seemingly dead, sulfated batteries be revived?
The answer is, sometimes. If batteries are sulfated – for example, from sitting "dead" or from poor charging habits – fully charging them, then using them for 5 charge/use cycles can sometimes remove much of the sulfations, restoring substantial battery performance. To do this, fully recharge the batteries, which may take much longer than normal, then use the batteries, depleting them – then repeat the cycle 5 times. This process of charge/discharge can remove sulfation, restoring the batteries' performance if they're not critically damaged.
Where can replacement batteries be purchased?
Deep-cycle batteries for power wheelchairs are not only available through mobility providers, but also from retailers who sell a wide range of batteries. Some retailers have cross-references for deep-cycle battery applications specific to mobility devices, while others label deep-cycle batteries as RV/Marine (it is important not to confuse RV/Marine deep-cycle batteries with "marine starting batteries" – if the marine battery has a MCA or CCA rating, that typically means that it's a hybrid starter battery, not designed for true deep-cycle use). In any case, the vital factors to note in replacement batteries is that they are deep-cycle and sealed, of the proper Group size and physical dimensions, with compatible battery terminals.
Are there different qualities of deep-cycle batteries?
As with most product categories, deep-cycle batteries come in a varying quality, where higher-quality batteries have thicker plates, better quality control, and sounder overall construction for a longer-lasting battery. Unfortunately, it's all but impossible for one to look at batteries on a shelf, and tell their quality. Nevertheless, one typically gets what one pays for, where sticking to known, proven brands most often results in a quality battery.
Can new batteries be bad from the dealer?
Quality deep-cycle batteries have a shelf life of approximately 6 months, at which point shelved batteries should be suspect -- that is, batteries sitting on a dealer's shelf for too long can be sulfated when placed in a mobility product as "new." Also, off-brand, poor-quality batteries have failure rates, including bad cells, resulting in reduced range and abnormal charging.
Published 5/08,
Copyright 2008, WheelchairJunkie.com


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A few minutes after we sit down in Buzo, the former editor of Gourmet Traveller magazine rushes through the door and asks if there's a table. Sorry, they tell her, we're fully booked.
A few minutes after that, one of the chefs from nearby Lucio's restaurant arrives (with family) and, having had the foresight to book, is shown upstairs. It's apparent that this place is suddenly hot - if not The Next Big Thing in Sydney, then at least The Next Big Thing in Paddington.
We're here to check for rising damp. Buzo used to be further down Jersey Road in a big terrace on a corner. I tried it a couple of years ago with two people who are prone to allergies and by midway through the meal they were snuffling at the nose and watering at the eyes. They suspected the old house had mould in the walls.
That deterred us from visiting Buzo again, despite the interesting menus we kept seeing in the window. This year, when it moved up the street to a more modern, renovated building, the allergy-prone were delighted. Finally they could try it again.
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The AT gearbox still bit f'd up, because when slightly pressing throttle it should change upper gear. What it now does is sticking at high revs. I noticed this because i wanted to race in normal tires in wet but it is impossible this way.
Sorry i meant peugeot 908….
Amac500 3:27 on sarth in that car. peugeot 905. I can do 3:15. See if you can beat. Hope to see you all around sometime online. Im usually in my 787B stealth.
There are two features I would like to see in GT5. Caster settings and tire pressure adjustment. I think that those two featurs would make GT5 more realistic.
Tire pressure is probably the most important set up.
Then why don't we have a little series of GT5 races to settle this. Me (Mangusta36) and magic ayrton versus amac and tj?
That has to be the best idea i've ever heard :D A GT5 showdown…. :D No driver aids allowed , real grip , 3 Lap Nurburgring24H ……
Now you have 2 options , in adding TJC_69 ( My main account ) I cannot use that account until the 29th of this month , I was temporarily blocked for reasons I cannot disclose here. But I will let you guys add it and you can check out my stats out on the 29th……
Any races will have to be done through my duping account , TJ_McBigCack ( No stats as I never use it )
So boys what will it be ? GT500 ? This would have to be clean , fair & respectful tho , as I do not race with Top Gear Test Track noobs.
I don't have time to do it for a few weeks, but honestly it won't make you any righter Mangusta, you are still going be a wrong out of touch air head. Plus you would easily me nothing to me Mangusta I am fairly certain. Just in my 100% stock Peugeot 908 I can run 3:27's on also of La Sarthe without pushing hard, and I run easy 1:27's at toyko, up to 3:26's and that is with a controller, as my wheel won't be ready until the end of the month.
We have to get the other. Two.
I say recommended list NASCAR at daytona, pagani at monza, sls amg at nurburgring ( non 24 hour ), and karts at autumn ring.
I can wait until the end of the month , thats no problem for me as I will have access to my main account. I say we teach them a lesson Amac….
Those races will take too long I think , a 3 lapper at Nurburgring24 hour will suffice , 20 minutes , 1 race. Ring is King.
Again Mangusta, it can't always be what you want. Why would we race your exact preferences? Plus drafting at Daytona would so us nothing. And is Mr. Ayrton even doing it, no.
You sound just as retarded with that comment.. (on boy)
If you want to talk about retarded comments MagicAyrton, then how about these beauties that you've dropped….
" Forza 2 was the best one…. " ( Then what are you doing here?? )
"I am not a forza fanboy but you most certainly are a fanboy…. " ( You can't take the truth I see , and your reply is as lame as your opening denial )
" No DLC Cars/tracks….. by Christmas then I am one of the first to stop buying GT games " ( Bye Bye, you won't be missed :D )
Then why do they have the 2005 le mans track? And yes I see the repley button, plus I'm not weird, just stop acting like retarded fools and grow up.
I also don't live near a golf course, plus, road atlanta is only 20 years old, has no significance, and I never said anything about spa.
And I just used the reply button, dock face.
Le Mans 05 / 09 is featured as it's one of the most famous racetracks and racing events in the World. I remember hearing about this track when I was 5 years old .
I never heard of the track you mentioned ever before , probably because it's C**p.
Why are you talking about this disused track anyway ? It's never coming to GT5.
I didn't say you lived near a golf course , reading before you post may help you.
* Wild Applause * Took you long enough to find it….. ( After I told you twice lol )
Your'e not on the same intellectual level in any subreference plane as my train of thought entirely escapes your most basic grasp of the hitherto conversational reality dimensional subspace.
Dock face ? Are you 12 ?
Ring, ring***** this is common sence calling you again Mangusta. Le Mans, the worlds most famous and popular endurance course. The 2005 version was on GT4, which at the time of release was the surest Le Mans track. So just like they included the GT4 cars, they included the GT4 Le Mans layouts. No surprises there. So clearly your home track of Like Rock and the Thompson golf coure will not be included in the game. There is 0 reason to put them in the game, and te racing leagues you think should be in and think mater won't. No British touring cars and MX5 cup won't matter to anyone now and forever, unless they race in it, a even if they do they would rather be higher up. You are just jaded by yourself and have a huge sence of entitlement you stuck up little snob.
I know an obscure track that I would like, the Pikes Peak Hill Climb (the WHOLE course). I will admit that it is local to me, but it is fun on the very few games that have it. Any new tracks would be good though!
Colin Macrae DIRT the very first one, Pikes Peak in a Peugeot 405 T16 is awesome!!!!
Spa and Pikes peak, RUF RGT-8 and Multi layered sound using exhaust, induction and engine note for that one car as a showcase for all future premium cars = My happy christmas!!
Your happy xmas is Forza 4….. You're not fooling anyone.
Enjoy your rewind feature when you crash.
And it is not a high speed style track. It has the esses, chicanes, fast straight, slow straights, tight bends fast bend, various degrees of banking
Still can't find that " Reply " button huh ?………. /Facepalm
Yes , just like High Speed Ring then !
You continue to appaul me Manguesta36. You seriously say a track that doesn't exsist anymore and Lime Rock should be in the game over big international tracks like Spa and Road Atlanta? There is literally 0 good reason to put one of your ideas in the game in any capacity. You want an unrealistic amount of things added and they are all little tiny obscure things that would make 0 sence compared to more ILMC tracks and Le Mans cars.
LOL Amac ! xD
I think the only reason he wants it in the game is because he lives near there or likes golf courses or…… something ??
Strange guy……..
Who incidentally can't find the reply button looool
My GT5 has never been the same for about a month. My only saving grace is that Forza is coming out.
I've been the same for 31 years …… doesn't stop me having fun
Forza 2 was the best one, FM3 and 4 will rob the sound department to feed the graphics department!.. that and it looks like a cartoon and feels like mush.
Hey Kaz and PD! How about you fix the bug where hard tires wear out faster than medium and SOFT tires. That is a huge bug that you ignore!
you need to warm up hard tyres for a couple of laps before you can properly push. glitch? i don't think so. don't burn up your cold tyres and they'll work fine
the game doesn't need to be fixed, your driving style does. and i don't mean that in a bad way friend. peace
Tj, you've got to be kidding me. Thompson was a technical course, unforunanately, there has not been a race on the road course since the late 70s. Thompson had three road course layouts. Two were connected to the oval, and third road course, the most challenging, very very technical track. It us next to the little t quarter midget track. You can the remnants on both golf courses, (both sides of the street)
1. There is a reply button , located in azure blue over here —->
2. Ring is King , there is no comparison to your High Speed Ring style track
3. I hate golf
I'd consider this seasonal with David Coulthard driving the merc to be features/content…….PD just create all this hype with statements that could have so many meanings. After 2 weeks off GT im getting back into it now although i cant actually define what the 2 recent updates have done as i havent noticed anything different.
WHAT!? WE COULD PAINT OUR GoKarts!? LOL NICE! hahahah
I want gold and silver chrome paints pleaseee :( psn Xmboy
Well some of you guys keep saying that PD should fix the black screen problem, but its due to connection problems, not yours but others players can have problems and that affects the hole server,.
and for the stuff coming soon i would like to see
at least 2 or 3 more cars, or more RM for some cars new tuning parts, and ability to choose the rims you want from a aftermarket rim list like in gt4, also at least make some standard cars Premium/standard :)
if you dont know what a premium/standard car is, check the r35 prototype nice HQ model from outside view but no interior. :) at least that.
There were 2 versions of the black screen before the update . The most common one was when your lobby started to fill up and you encountered players with different quality broadband and / or nat types. The race would often start for a few people but the rest would be stuck on the grid with the black screen causing even more issues as the black screen guys still had to finish the race….
The other version of it would occur after disconnection from a lobby and on trying to rejoin the same lobby it just wouldn't load in visual , audio always seemed to connect though.
Haven't seen these again since 1.12 but we will always have a slight issue with nat types as no server is perfect. I was in a championship lobby with a large group of people on patch release day and it was my best online GT5 experience to date , very smooth quality .
I love the race mods , I have all 17. Wish there was more to race and collect.
I have that car also , it's kinda weird driving a premium without a cockpit view isn't it ?
So Treyarch have released 3 SETS of new maps for black ops (along with patches to fix bugs etc) and PD have so far just given us new suits and helmets whilst fixing bugs (seasonal events dont count as updates since theyre just code)
GIVE US SOME TRACKS PD, EVEN IF THEY ARE JUST PORTED GT4 ones!! And some new cars!! (or premium up some standard ones!!)
And the award for the most silly comment goes to Blackex99, I am not a forza fanboy but you most certainly are a fanboy.. I'm glad that you're content with the same old rehash. Most of us others aren't.. and it's because we love the series so much that we want it to evolve. So STFU.
Here it is simply put.. No DLC Cars/tracks and better sound (induction for example (faceplam)) by Christmas then I am one of the first to stop buying GT games. I mean they are making fun of us. "Just give them some old rehashed rubbish to keep them sweet springs to mind, they seem to take two steps forward, 1 step back in this series.
Alot of GT5 fans feel this way Magic Ayrton , you are not alone in feeling that. I hope we do get some nice things added this month/next. Let's wait & see :D
Probably just some online leader boards from GT5 Prologue.
@Magic no one cares you Forza fanboy. How are they making fun of us when everything they give us is free.You on here complaining like your even good at the game. Go troll somewhere else or buy Forza 4 and play with dollar store steering wheel.
expect to sees the sema winners car in the dlc and possibly the runners up
As an amuater racing driver, I've had the privilege to race a wide variety of cars on a wide variety of tracks (ovals, road courses, dirt, asphalt, and concrete) and very little else has compared to the excitement and challenge of racing a sprint car around a dirt oval. Obviously this is just my opinion but what could be more fun then driving a 635 Kg monster with 800 bhp?!? Sprint Car racing can be found all over the world.(except maybe in Japan…) If we can have go-kart racing in GT5 couldn't we also have some non-rally dirt racing?
friend, create a dirt track, can get them to be oval if you reduce difficulty for sectors to 0 and go for your life. what they haven't provided, they've provided an alternative for. have a crack and see if it works
Holy quad post. . Owned by iPhone app.
Please Mods, remove all but one.
Fia gt1 is amazing. But ever since maserati and Aston Martin left, its not bas cool.
aston martin is still in gt1 and gt3???
Aston Martin the factory team.
i'm not aware if any factory teams are running…
aston martins were too good. its still cool
sorry, i'm stupido. maserati was too good, my bad. before people start having a go lol
I love how most people speculating about DLC haven't even considered the FIA GT or DTM championships. Kaz said the FIA GT was originally planned for GT5 but had to be taken out. Wouldn't it make sense to see some GT1 and GT3 car packs and FIA GT race locations(remember that they had studied Spa….)? I would trust PD to release their DLC as one big bundle though, you know, a few cars and a few tracks?
Yes that would be just awesome ….. =D
Do you have a link that tells you that GT5 is getting cars and tracks btw ?
Unfortunately no, anything surrouding DLC has always been guesswork, but this seems more likely than anything else in my opinion.
i hope so. unfortunately i remember reading somewhere that EA Sports – NFS Shift 2 has the rights to GT1-3, for how long i'm not certain. hopefully only 2011. that's why we don't have current FIA gt1-3, dtm. peace
Playboy mx5 cup is an actual racing series, and I never said for gt5 to go that deep into NASCAR, plus road atlanta has no meaning, it has only been around since the 90s. Have Thompson international speedway in Connecticut, the track that Carroll Shelby, Phil hill, jaun Manuel fangio, John fitch, and Mario Andretti plus many other racing greats said that that was the number one track one their lists. Thompson was the first oval/road course built in America. It was built in the early 1930's.
This is in iracing already. I had a quick google and the layout looks simple and uninspiring. It reminded me of High Speed Ring actually , a few straight bits , some fast banked turns and a couple of tighter corners. I don't see anything that would make me want to drive there.
Norschleife is king to many past & present drivers. :D
Wow you managed to go further down hill. Road Atlanta is big because the Petit Le Mans has already become a huge event. It's one of the biggest endurance events. It is a solid footstep to Le Mams, because the winner is given an invite. The biggest races in ILMC are Spa, Sebring, Petit Le Mans (at Road Atlanta), and Le Mans. The game is already based with Le Mans cars at the top of it, so big Le Mans and international tracks are most likely. And if you want to get obscure like you seem to, it is also a place all the big legaues in north America test at, NASCAR Indycar Grand-Am, those guys. Road Atlanta has already became an internationally acclaimed track. So Road Atlanta has a big meaning in the racing scene. Now you are digging deeper to the obscure saying Thompson Raceway??? Is that even around anymore??? It certainly isn't doing anything big or hosting anything worth noting. Your super obscure East Coast stuff won't be part of the international scene GT5 operates on. And you did want to dig into NASCAR, you want dirt ovals and more NASCAR tracks. I would be scared if you were in charge of putting things on GT5.
Additionally , in my opinion I would class things like Remote Races and Racesuits as " Features & Content " …..
Maybe the people begging for it should think about that for a little while , as tears will spill on keyboards if the DLC pleaders don't get their own way.
The first thing that comes to mind is a livery maker, as it is something Forza has had since before GT5 and would thus make since with the timing. A lot of people have asked for that for a while to. I do think we could see a few good new cars. One I think is very likely actually, is the current Audi and Peugeot Le Mans cars. The Peugeot because Playstation and Gran Turismo 5 are big sponsors, so I can see that maybe. However the one I see the most is the Audi R18 TDI. I am not saying this because this is my favorite car or anything, but I won't lie, it is my favorite Le Mans car now and I'm not even a fan of one big manufacturer but the engineering and technology of it is simply brilliant. I see this car resonable because PD has a good relationship with Audi, with the nice R8 race car as one of the games big prizes and that GT5 is creating that simulator with the R8 race car. Audi has also marketed the car hugely, I'm sure we have all been seeing the ads Audi has for their ultra light weight technology with the R18, and putting that car in the game would be some pretty big advertising. So there for you could easily see some exciting fast cars, it is a possiblity. I also think those 25 tracks or however many from past installments that they posted those logos to on their website or whatever, could be seen in the content. Those in-race saves they are working on could be added. Spa could also be added as it is the most wanted track voted on and I don't remember what it was, but didn't they have some simulator deal with the track during the 1000km of Spa? Those are possibilities I see.
Great train of thought there Amac , very logical too.
A livery maker , Spa plus more LMS cars would all be welcome additions to the world of GT.
Waiting for any news of PD's plans for extra content feels like waiting for GT5's release date all those months ago.
I think we won't be disappointed.
i want 1.10 back…..
Right then , here's my opinion on the DLC situation…Here's what we know in a nutshell , bear in mind the actual term "DLC" or "Tracks and Cars" have to my knowledge NEVER been written , said or broadcast by PD or Kaz. What Kaz did say was "Features & Content". Now that might mean what every GT5 fan wants it to mean , but it might NOT. Okay so next point…. "Features & Content" are due to arrive either this month or next. Has anyone looked at that a little closer and seen that Forza 4 ( GT5's only competition on the console market ) , is releasing between 11-20th October ? So I find Kaz's twitter very interesting regarding the features/content release , especially from a business point of view as in business the best way to compete with a rival is to get the upper hand over them , which in turn leads to more consumers & profit. Best way to sell more copies of GT5 ? Give it more content.. For all the people begging PD for "DLC" , I challenge you to provide ANY link where Kaz has said that specific term.
I can't take sides fuse I have xbox and ps3.
FYI: The C in DLC stands for "content". The only way to get content that isnt already on the disc is to download it. That is what the D and L stand for.
Just sayin'.
I know that already Brandon. An interesting point to remember is that Remote Race and Racesuits were NOT dlc , they were an update.
Dlc for games is downloaded via Playstation Store , correct ?
At the minute everyone saying " Omg DLC cars and tracks are coming !! " , is an unfounded statement , PD are very secretive and this is just GT5 gamer speculation.
Do you see my point?
Oh I totally agree with you bro. Doing this when Forza is coming out to me would possible be adding "content and features" like Forza has, to eliminate the differences in the competion. I see them trying to add the wow factor that Forza has with all it's bells and whistles. Plus idk why people want in-game DLC stuff when they could just have it put right in in an update without needing to go download stuff in-game.
Good point Amac500. I like what your'e saying there…
Thank you pd for continuing to make progress
Its amazing how Premium car DlCs, with all the massive details for GT5 are less than a megabyte and download super quick, but their patches take an hour.
It's not my opinion, it's the truth,
No, it is your opinion.
the truth for you.. really it's your delusion.
Just because Lime Rock is your home track doesn't mean it should be in the game. I'm from the East Coast to, so I know whats up in our racing scene, and that isn't what's up. You want some obscure things and you want ALOT of them. Things that are more likely are fast race cars, Aka Le Mans GT cars and prototypes, and big tracks like Spa and other iconic ILMC and F1 tracks, and MAYBE Bathrust. Also could expect some curent cars to be premium and and tracks they already have to have time and weather changes.
I like gt5 awell as the next guy but to say its the real driving sim is a joke this game is too easy and becomes very boring very quickly yes it is very good value for your money and the best visuals of any racer but i found pgr 4 the most fun and addictive game and gt could do well to copy some of there ideas the weather being one bikes against cars whats not to love bring on pgr5
LOL sure you play with pad, super sticky tyres and all aids on
Oh boy, here we go from square 1. DX
What gt5 really needs is oval dirt tracks, more NASCAR tracks, less Japanese crap, more American, there's not even a boss 302 in the whole freakin game! And v8 super cars and the btcc, and last but not least, lime rock park, the road racing center of the east. That is the only track that has american le mans series, grand am rolex and continental, playboy mx5 cup, the NASCAR whelen modified tour, classic historic races, 30+ different car clubs, ferrari challenge, NASCAR k&n east series, and many car shows.
That's your opinion 0_0
you forgot Ken Block LOL
gt is ruled by euro sales and made in japan, no one except a few Americans care about your truth lol
It's not a NASCAR game bro, it is a racing in general game, international racing. They aren't going that deep into NASCAR to get K&N east series and I don't see them adding many more NASCAR tracks. Infinion will come when they add those 25 tracks or whatever, and the Motegi oval. But NASCAR is a very small part of the game, big road race courses you will see. I like Lime Rock, but it isn't iconic. For an American track try Sebring, Road Atlanta, or Long Beach. Hell even Bell Isle, that held F1 races before. And historic class races / club races are ran on every road course. Rolex and Contentinetal are the same thing, they go in the same places so don't treat the schedule separate. I'm also a racing nut, into it all and I have NEVER heard of Playboy MX5 Cup, so let's not even count that. I can see a few V8 touring cars, yes, but btcc cars are a stretch when their aren't any GT race cars anyhow. A couple standard GT cars but not premium. But Lime Rock park is hardly the racing center of the east. Not when you have Indianapolis, Daytona, Sebring, Road Atlanta, historic courses like Waltkins Glen and Bell Isle, and NASCAR based in Charlotte (which also ran ALMS in '00) and all those Indy boys and many Grand-Am and ALMS teams are in Indy. Speaking of Indycar, I can see them before btcc as well.
You're really dumb.
Ya know what I think would be a cool change, Class Racing. In endurance races like Le Mans, split it into GT and LMP class, which would include group C of course. Or just call it Class 1 and 2 or whatever, but I would love to race the prototypes around GT cars and such, would be fun.
Yes. Just so much YES. That would be lovely to have.
yeah i've thought about that a few times over the months. would be too good to be true but highly agree with you
Or maybe just add class races in addition to endurance, so there can be the endurances races like Indy and the roadster challenge, and then some class races. But just class in some capacity I would enjoy.
+1 to this idea
Well since people seem to like it, I made a page for it on the feedback section of the website for you all to give your votes to. Here is the link to the page:
DLC Cars should be
1. 2011 Shelby GT500 Supersnake
2. 2011 Mustang GT
3. 1995 Cobra "r"
4. 1993 Cobra "r"
5. Hennessey Camaro
6. Bugatti Venom
7. Gumpert Apollo
8. Ultimate Aero
9. Corvette C6r
10. Koenigsegg Ccx
i like your list of cars but which hennessey camaro?
I see none of those cars coming. And most of those people haven't said a thing about, so I wouldn't even expect PD the slightest bit to add them in.
Probably the 2010 Hennessey HPE700 LS9 Camaro. They should also give us the Callaway SC572 Camaro.
Wish lists are all well and good but Polyphony hasn't even stated whether or not they're adding cars or tracks in the "features and content." They've stated jack-all about it.
Too bad it's never going to happen. DLC/GT6
I bet it's gonna be "NO TURISMO IT ISN'T! WE WANT DLC!" XD
@Magic Ayrton
That's probably what PD's saving the new cars and tracks for. For christmas It's all perfect with me, how about all of you?
Btw the Kart looks godly in gold. ;)
Yes man!I can't wait.. I am also getting the 7 speed Thrustmaster Shifter to go with my T500RS!!
They turned off the function save replay in two player mode…
thats pointless
What? no replay in 2 player mode?? Also online is still freezing my PS3 :-(
I know, right. The one time I go to use it, I can't because they got rid of it. Can't make everyone happy, at least they fixed other stuff.
I wonder if they fixed a very minor glitch where you cant change the 1st gear setting on the go karts.
So What's In The New Update Then? & Has The OCD Been Updated?
1. Read it and figure it out.
2. No updated OCD.
And this is why I love PD, they correct issues quickly and efficiently and they listen!!
All we need now for Christmas are some tracks and a few premium cars with a demonstration of their multi layer sound capabilities (seperate induction, engine, exhaust not and meaningful realistic dump valves) :-)
The first thing i do when i wake up is check EVERYTHING on my iPhone.
E-Mail, Gtplanet etc.
So i saw 'Minor Gran Turismo Update 1.12 Now Available'
I thought like 'WTF! I TIME TRAVELLED???'
I was half-sleeping xD
Lol. Must've been quite the shock.
The only way forza till ever beat gt5 is if they have v8 supercars around bathurst
The only way Forza will ever beat GT5 is if XBOX's magically start supporting Logitech G25s or Forza comes to Playstation.
Forza or any other sim-racing game will beat GT5 immediatly when they will be released. Can't imagine if anybody who has XBOX too will play GT5 any more after F4 will be available. GT5 is till a half finished product with plenty of bugs and planty beautyful racingsuits..
V8 Supercars are not the be-all and end-all of a racing game.
And Fanatec's wheels are better than the G25 is. And that's coming from a G25 owner and regular (ab)user.
@Mohamu realtime 24h, realtime weather, night racing, snow, gravel, infinite track generator, logitech wheels and 3D salutes you LOL
F4 is outdated even before anyone can buy it LOL LOL
Mohamu will probably be on the Turn 10 forums the day after Forza 4 is released saying exactly the same thing about it.
One can be (understandably) unsatisfied with GT5, but one thing for sure, no one can blame PD for trying to correct it! There are still many things to be tweaked here and there, and the stiff competition promised by Forza 4 might have set the level pretty high; so to me, PD is on a process to overcome the threat of being over-throned. Am I assuming too much? Yes, only future will tell! Let us all be patient
How about fixing the big that drags you back to home after finishing a seasonal event race instead of putting you back to track/race page?
That's not a bug , it's by design.
I love GT5! Played last night online and found a 'Shuffle' race at Nurburgring. Brilliant feature! Provided some excellent close racing with a photo-finish seperated by just one hundredth of a second (Merc 300SL and FTO).
Complainers – seriously don't moan. This game is the mutt's nuts and provides hours and hours of fun. If you can't see that you're clearly not racers – chill out and go buy a Wii.
i like this guy :)
*slow clap*
*praising whistle*
Does anybody know if 1.11 fixed the online black screen (worst in NASCAR races)?
It doesnt seem to have gone away completely, but the black screens I've encountered since 1.11 have been significantly shorter in time.
Yes they fix the black screen problem
Look, all complainers who want DLC, what would you rather have, a really buggy game with no balance, which means rich people get the best stuff because they bought DLC, or an unbuggy game with balance and no new people can get the best stuff early on as to win them you need skill.
I certainly would rather have all the kinks wold out then DLC's. I don't really get why people are asking for DLC's in the first place, when they could just add all that stuf right into the game in a free update.
Wow another update another fumble ahahaha
can't believe people are actually expecting something good in the near future!
Before all of you start saying if you dont like the game play something else.
Do the letters FO mean anything to you!!!!
No…please enlighten me with your wisdom!!
boring…yawn. oh, and go play something else
I'm not so sure there was any reason for your comment. Maybe best left unsaid?
GT5 is such a massive game, it's little surprise there are bugs. Well done PD on all these fixes. They are doing this for you, so have some appreciation.
Obviously an X-Bot troll . Lamest attempt at trolling GTP i've ever seen too .
I'm so glad that kids like this are not on GT5 , they can't handle real physics so they hide in Forza where they can play " Car Soccer " and think they're actually driving a simulator….
Microsoft © ….. babysitting your kids since 2001
Sounds like someone here needs a hug.
Ahwww did someone get out of the wrong side of the bed?
The letter F*** for you know…but i´m starting to believe that i can find something interesting for you with the O…
Fire Operative?
Fixed Orifice tube (as in A/C systems?)
Flamin' 'Ot monster munch (as said by stereotypical London builder)?
Fat to the extent of being Obese?
Please enlighten us to your version before you decide not to read news articles that don't interest you where as others are glad for all/any updates that PD can be bothered to sort out even after having been paid for the product.
I guess you haven't checked the previous news feeds. Maybe the reason people are talking about new features and DLC coming in the near future is because it was mentioned not to long ago in this section. Please do us a favour and think and/or read before you post your idiotic comments. Thanks.
What are the updates in the new version 1.11 and when wil dlc come?
Bug fixes in 1.11 and 1.12. New features and content coming this month and next.
There is a camera option when watching replay that is a placed a bit highee and more to the back than the usual bonnet camera. Having that option whileracing would be sweet :)
I completely agree. I miss this view from GT4.
How about they fix the glitch when you buy a turbo upgrade and not install it, it doesn't appear in your parts list and you have to re-buy it.
Or, more importantly, how about they fix the HUGE error of the suspension settings being backwards.
Are you sure there's a bug? Have you checked your inventory? It's the button with the suitcase on it in the GT Home screen.
Under Items where you go to see your paint chips, horns, helmets, etc… It also holds parts and tires. Glitch LMAO
SURPRISE!!! Hahaha. This is probably PD's idea of humor. Oh, and that kart looks great in gold.
Haha, I like that sense of humor. Next week: SURPRISE!!! DLC :D
So, the FF diffs are fixed? Woot!
Sweet go cart, I used my 1 and only gold chrome on an SLS. never ever thought of painting my go cart
There's a way of getting unlimited chrome. Add me on the PS network if you want to know.
Search up how to duplicate on the forum. :)
I could send you a batch of 5 gold chromes. ;)
PM on the board with your PSN name and I will send you a Friend Request on PSN
I could send you a batch of 5 gold chromes. PM on the board with your PSN name and I will send you a Friend Request on PSN
I could send you a batch of 5 gold chromes. PM me on the forum.
I could send you a batch of 5 gold chromes. PM me on the forum.
Private message me on the forum and I will send you gold chromes.
PM on the forum and I will send you 5 gold chromes.
Owens could you please send me some gold chromes?:)
thanks psn: kcampos12
Thx mate, more in my gallery (http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=162157&page=33)
Finally, now i can use my civic for car soccer. Btw havent you guys realise that the veyron isnt in OCD anymore, DLC is coming. All premiums are in NCD. It pretty much points out to a Premium
No, it doesn't.
No it doesn't. The OCD changes all the time. The only somewhat permanent car is the FGT, probably just because you need the car to do the FGT races, and waiting around for it in the UCD can be quite a long wait.
first of all. The Veyron has been in the OCD since the OCD first went online Second of all, it wouldnt go away for no reason at all. And third Kazunori San has mentioned DLC coming in a few weeks time
i don't think anyone was arguing with you alex. just pointing out a fact.
OMG OMG OMG! The supra hasnt been in the OCD EVER! that totally means it's going to be premium in DLC!
BZZT, WRONG! it means nothing… he probably took it out because he remembered that every GT player who actually plays their way through A-Spec gets one anyway…
(doc) …then never uses it as theres atleast 100 better cars, minimum.
Interesting theory Alex but the Veyron hasn't been in the OCD every time. *Nearly* every time yes but I believe the FGT is the only car that's been there every time.
daics69 I really don't get why you think there are 100 better cars in the game than the Veyron though, unless you mean fun to drive rather than fastest. Test the 10 road cars you would expect to be the quickest around any track of your choice, and see how many beat the Veyron. I did this (actually for 100 cars) and the result was 0.
The Veyron posted the quickest time of any road car (concepts don't count and then there were just 2). People who complain about the Veyron I think just don't realise how much faster it is, and for some reason expect it to handle like a race car when it's clearly not a race car. Give it to me over the Enzo any day.
*sigh* at tiger. i was referring to race cars being better and obviously the veyron is the quickest road car…in a straight line!
Thanks whoever deleted the guy who said first (Jordan?)
Awesome! (Both the updates and deleting the firster)
At least this seems PD is going to be on top of things hopefully.
It so doesn't bother me when people "First" a post or such.
Not sure why it's a big deal. I don't practice it. However I chuckle when I see it. Internetz are serious biz. :) relax and look over things you don't like.
things get better and better, keep on good work PD !!!
Pretty sweet. Still anxious to see what pd delivers next update
Way to go PD for keeping the game alive with constant attention.
Things keep getting better and better? How is that relevant when they're just patching their own errors and mistakes?
Don't you think fixing something makes it better?
What is the difference from this update? What is the difference between ff cars before and now?
Pd great job!! Keep up the work . Btw can wait for the amg sesonal event!


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Ok so now I am really lost at what the "laws" are, if I am supposed to be able to do everything in 2-wheel, every trail/ seasonal road/ what not, then how am I supposed to get out to my camp?
I have property in the UP and for much of the year a person can not make it out to camp in 2 wheel, it is all seasonal roads/no waterways around out there but still between the sand and hills 9 out of 10 times you need to spin a tire to make it down the road.
If this is the case that we are legally supposed to follow then in turn the property is a lost cause? This is where I hunt and fish and according to what I have read so far I am breaking the "law" pretty much anytime I go out to camp. The idea of spinning a tire I think needs to be re-worded. I can see the person that leaves it in 2 wheel to try and dig stuff up being wrong. And in the same sense anyone "trying to just tear it up" being wrong but for those that do not live in the concrete jungle a spinning tire is a way of life.
Hell I had to spin my tires multiple times last winter and yes I was in 2 wheel drive, my front wheel drive car, delivering pizza's in the vast UP.
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