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POWER accesory wiring harness
I am no genious but wiring harnesses are fairly simple. Here is where I get real lost. I am going to put in a new wiring harness on my 91 corvette. It needs it, the fuel injection is gone, transmission has been swapped. Radio swapped out, Ac disconnected, alarm gone, vats gone airbagsgone ect ect.
I feel its time for a new harness to do things right. Where I get scared is.
How do I get a harness to work the power options. Such as power seat, door locks, mirrors, power headlight motors, heater control unit. I want to reuse the old switches if at all possible. Am I going to have to cut all the wires and just splice the new harness into the wires??
ALso under the dash of my vette there are alot of boxes how do I know if I need them or have to use them, should I just start over from nothing??
If I buy a complete wiring harness will the give me a wiring diagram of my car, will they give me tech help for this situation???
Last edited by 91vette; 04-08-2006 at 12:34 PM. Reason: more questions
Doc here,
You need to Tell me a little more about the car..
Is it still computer controlled ? (I know you said the FI and others was bypassed)
Do you still have BCM (body control module) VATS (Vehicle Anti Theft System) And a working DIC (Data Information center?) and LO~Jack?If so you will only want to replace specific parts of the harness , Engine for instance..
If the car is stripped, (electrical wise) and has none of the above, By all means Yes you can do a straight up Harness system is doable without major headaches..
Save all your old Harness plugs and switch Connectors, and those connectors specific to the Corvette harness..(Aftermarket kits usually won't have these) If you have some that are suspect, you can obtain them at Corvette central (expensive) or Auto zombie (lot's cheaper)..
Make tons of notes as you remove the old harness, location, destination, wire size color etc (anything you feel may need addressing later) And back up everything with digital photos as you remove the old wiring.. Burn that to your hard drive for future reference.
Those "boxes" under the dash can be anything from BCM functions to alarms (chimes) you'll have to identify them one at a time..
Your best shot is get a manual for the 91 Vette, this will help you ID things as you pull it down..Tag and BAG them..and you can decide if it needs to go back in later..If you need them I have a few..not so very good ones)
Ron Francis makes a good harness system, you should contact him about your application, and tell him exactly what you are doing..what options you would like to have..His systems are expensive..but you pay for what you get!
Remember: Good Ground Is at a preminum in a Corvette! When in doubt..run a ground extra..
great reply
Well first I must say the only thing I did to the car b4 the short was I removed a ground that my dad had put on the car. It was a mallory ingnition ballast resistor. I didnt think it needed to be grounded. Still dont think it does. But my starter wont work and I fried something along the harness. Guess I did need it??
As far as the chimes and stuff, Alls I want is the car to run with all the power options to work. The vats has been bypassed a long long time ago. Screw all the other crap who needs it anyway. I think I will talk to Ron Francis.
I was looking at the American Autowire Kits around 400. Not bad.
I will talk to the both on Monday and see from there. First I am going to cut apart the whole harness and see what burnt up. As ffar as I can see now it all looks fine. I have the entire dash out and dont smell any burnt wires or even see any.
But when I hook up the battery to the car it goes nuts. One minute this work then it doesnt. Then the car is buzzing inside then its not, then its buzzing outside then not. Very confusing. Thanks for the info and I will see what they have to say.
Doc here,
Ballast resistors are NEVER grounded..Never..
They are in series with the coil power line from the Ignition switch and The + side of the coil..With the key on, and points shut (or jumped to ground) At the Switch side of the resistor you should read about 11 or 12 volts..and on the + side of the coil it will read 6 to 9 volts..This is correct.
That being said, BEFORE you snip ANY wires, here is what I think happened, When you hit "Run" on the Ignition, It shorted the Ignition power back to the switch, AND IF YOU had it, the secondary wire to the "R" terminal on the Starter solenoid..These are the two wires you want to inspect for melt down..Clear or replace them..
Next because of the high current short on the Ignition most likely the fuse link melted.. and may be just "touching" inside it's taped or heat shrink cover. When you put high current drain on it it will physically move..and cause things to go on and off..
Locate that (those) Fuse links..and replace them, should be on the big bolt on the starter solenoid wire (may be a few inches to feet back, you'll have to untape harness to locate it maybe) OR on a single terminal binding post at or near the battery..
Inspect, replace, repair or clear the Ignition harness (and the bundle it runs in ) for melt down, Then locate and replace the fuse links and I'll bet you'll have everything back working whole again..(minus anything you stripped out)
the fuseable link was wired correctly we just added a ground to the braket that attaches it to the firewall. My dad is a firm believer in grounding everything.
With that said I am not sure what caused the short???
I agree the thin starter wire on the R terminal is dead we already checked it and the ignition is most likely shorted. We are gonna cut the harness today and find out what happened.
Thanks for you advice. jesse
in deep now
I cut apart the whole wiring harness on the car and found that the wire from the resistor was completely shorted. The entire harness on the car besides that was fine.
replaced the wire and tested the igntion wire for power and nothing. The starter wire nothing. Electric windows nothing. Power mirrors nothing. The car still humms and clicks on and off and buzzes. LIke a circus!!
Now there is not a single wire in the car. I removed everything, the dash all the computers, every wire I could find is gone. I am going to order a kit in the next week. Not sure which one.
Was looking at the highway 22 kit from american autowire. I am gonna call Ron Francis tomorrow and speak to them. I like that I am about an hour and an half away from his shop. Just in case..
I cant believe the # of boxes that were in the car its unreal. Wish me luck. I need to find schematics for the car though any idea. I have a hanes manual but that is not nearly good enough.
Just hope I can get the stock heater control to work. I am guessing mist likely not. That is the only real worry.
Doc here,
Well , Glad to hear you are making progress on your project..
I sure wish you'd have tried the fuse link (s) first..before tearing it all out. A blown link will disable all electrical in the car..lights, seats, windows Ignition, any system that requires voltage / Current..
First part of my Idea happened (Ignition wire melted) , and that would have killed the link (s) leaving the car electrically dead as a doornail..
Well let us know what you find after you Contact the Harness people, Were all here to Support you..
checked it
I checked for the fuse links and from what I can tell they were good. I followed the starter wire from the starter and it went into one of the many boxes in the car. Every wire I tried to follow kept changing colors and kept going into different boxes. I think my BCM might have shorted out.
That is what I was thinking. Everything else looked fine... Too many computers in cars. We are gonna take it back and wire it like a muscle car. VERY SIMPLE, we will add the power options as well. Just takes alot of time.
Screw computers. What a headache.
Don't say that too loud..your typing on one..
Yeah, and Corvette tends to bring it to the extremes..just when you think you found it..there is another "Box" that is a state Secret in the way..
That's why I call them "General Mystery"..
Keep us updated!
bought a harness
I have bought a harness for my car. After talking to a few notable companies, which some were a let down. I have found a company that really took the time to help.
I called Autowire and the told me I was in trouble with the car. They said I could not rewire it due to the fact that corvettes have relays and boxes for everything. I asked them well isnt a turnsignal a turnsignal?? and a brake light a brake light?? They said not on a corvette?? Not sure what they meant but I dont believe it. They said every switch has a relay on my car and it was to much trouble to get into it. They did offer to sell me a kit but said they wouldnt be able to give me technical assistance with the car.
Next up was Ron Francis, I must say they were the biggest let down off all. They said no problem, we have the kit for you. When I asked them about what Autowire had said about the boxes and relays they said we have no clue and wouldnt be of any help to you. If I wanted to buy a kit they would sell me one but again with no technical assistance available.
Finally I called Haywire and hit the jackpot!!! I talked to Ken the owner and he went throught their kits and recommeneded one for me. (E SERIES) After I told him of what Autowire and Ron Francis had to say he couldnt believe it. While I was on the phone he got the schematic for my car and started to go through them with me. We checked the switches for relays for the power windows and locks and seat ect. There are not many relays at all and he said the following. A 12 volt light is a 12 volt light, a switch is a switch just have to make sure what voltage they can handle.
That is what I thought also.
I think I will stick with Haywire and hopefully get the car together by MAY. I am in no rush and want to do it right, so I am going to take my time with it and do it once.
Does anyone know where I can get a MITCHELL manual for my 91 vette???
Doc here,
Try your County MAIN library Reference Room for that manual. Not the local branch but the MAIN..
If they don't have a Miitchell (and mine does..) Ask if they can possibly outsource it for you from another library system..
The only draw back is usually they don't allow reference material out of the library...so you'll have to copy it there..bring lots of change for the copier ...
Other than that , Do a Google for a Mitchell manual for 91 Corvette, you'll probably get 100 grand hits..but I gotta tell ya..It probably won't be cheap (unless you find one on EBAY or Craigs..)
no luck
Went to the library and found no Mitchell Manual, they even did a search of the surronding Libraries in a 50 mile radius and nothing.
I went to the local bookstore WALDEN BOOKS they tried to look it up on the computer and found nothing even close.
I am searching for the manual online and cant find anything. Tried ask jeeves and google. No LUCK!!
The chilton manuals are garbage and I already have a Hanes Manual with wiring diagrams in it. DO I need the Mitchell manual. How much better is it than the Hanes manual??
Any clue where to find the manual???? How bout a web address??
Doc here,
Try Corvette Central..
Corvette Central
OK, I tried posting the link..It would not work from here..just type in Corvette central, It will take you to the home page, click on the Icon at the top for the generation Corvette, Then select 1991, and do the drop down on parts..Manuals, then go to the second page...
If it need not be a Mitchell manual..If you go to the bottom of the page there two sets of two Factory Service manuals for 1991 Corvette .
Shoot them an email and ask if it will cover what your needs are.
Last edited by docvette; 04-11-2006 at 05:13 PM. Reason: I Before E .. Except after a 12 pack..
bought a cd
I just bought a wiring cd off of ebay for my vette, it should come in a few days I will see how if it helps. People have said in the feedback that their is more than enpough information on the cd to help. We will see.
I will call corvette central tomorrow and see if the books will be of any help also. Thanks Jesse
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This comes in a see through squeezy tube with a black lid. I quite like the packaging as it is quite simple, easy to use and hygienic. One thing that annoys me a bit is after using it for a while some of the product may start to dry around the rim and the inside of the lid. It's not much of a problem as I just make sure I pick of the dry product. On the front of the product it states "clear makeup" this caught my eye as I have never heard of that before so I was quite excited to try.
The product itself is more cloudy white colour rather than a pure white colour but when blended in turns transparent. The product is more on the thicker side rather than the runnier side. The texture is amazing. It feels like rubbing velvet on your skin. I love the feeling! It definitely feels like a luxury product. There is slight lavender scent that is quite relaxing.
After applying my moisturiser, I apply a reasonable amount to my face, focusing mainly on my cheeks and the middle of my face. Now, you have to wait a few minutes after applying this primer before you can put on your foundation or any other product or else it will be impossible to blend anything. I wait a solid 5 minutes and this of course can be quite inconvenient when you're running late in the morning and you don't have time to wait 5 minutes to set a primer. Applying foundation after using this primer has been quite a hassle for me after using this product. It is IMPOSSIBLE to blend the foundation into my skin. Impossible. Also I have dry skin so after trying to apply my foundation I could see little dry patches. Not just dry flakiness but also the streaks from my foundation brush were so obvious. I have never had streaking problem until I started to use this product. So of course I was super disappointed with the product. I had read some great reviews and I was expecting so much more.
I tried again as I didn't want to give up on this product and this time I put on extra mosituriser and waited even longer before putting on my foundation. I also ditched the foundation brush for my fingers. This time the foundation did look too dry but still my foundation didn't look good. I would get a better foundation finish if I just didn't use this primer at all.
One thing I did notice was that after using this, my makeup lasted all day. I love blusher but by end of the day there is never any colour left on my face and after using this product my blush and bronzer look perfect in place even after 12 hours. I was seriously amazed.
This left me in a very sticky situation. I don't like this product but I like this product. I guess if I didnt have such dry skin, I might have really liked this product. I don't see much of a difference with my pores and fine lines after I apply this and it makes foundation application hell but I love the way it sticks to your make up and doesn't let it budge all day.
I neither like this product or dislike it. I think this will work perfectly for people with oily skin and warn anyone with dry skin to drop the product and run away. It's not for dry skin definitely. I really like the fact how it made a barrier between my skincare and make up but negatives make it hard for me to use it. I still have this product after buying it approximately 8 months ago and I haven't even used 1/5 of the whole tube. I used this about 10 times and I think it this tube will last quite a long time. I don't use this on a daily basis instead I only use it when there is a special occasion like a night out or a wedding when I need to make sure my make up stays in place. Will I buy this again? Short answer: No. Not for that price. I will definitely be trying out some new cheaper primer and some specially designed for dry skin.
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I was searching the internet trying to find a makeup primer that would make my makeup last all day; I decided to look on YouTube for reviews of different primers when I came across a makeup artist (gossmakeupartist) claiming that 'The Present' by 'Philosophy' was the best primer in the world! I had watched quite a few of his makeup videos on YouTube before, and I trusted him so I decided to buy it and give it a go.
---------- What is 'The Present'? ----------
Looking at the Philosophy website, it claims 'The Present' is a 'skin perfector, makeup primer and oil free mattifier.' It says 'this multitasking formula feels lightweight and fuctions as a foundtation primer, courless skin perfector, skin barrier protector and oil-free moisturiser.'
I use the present as a makeup primer, so I put it on under my makeup so that it helps my makeup to stay on all day, and so my review will only be about how 'The Present' works as a makeup primer.
---------- Packaging ----------
'The Present' comes in a clear tube, which I really like as it allows me to see how much product I have left. There is a lot of information on the tube, such as how to use it, cautions and claims. The packaging is pretty basic, just a see through tube with a black lid.
---------- Using the Product ----------
'The Present' is the first stage in my skin care routine, when I'm using it I don't wear moisturiser as I read somewhere that you're not supposed to as it prevents it working properly.
After washing and drying my face, I simply squeeze out a small pea sized amount of product. I then rub it in all over my face like a moisturiser. You then have to leave it to dry for 2 minutes before applying makeup, but I tend to leave it around 5 minutes just to make sure it's completely dry. The consistency is quite thick; I also find that it smells like lavender, which is a nice touch.
After it's dry I apply my makeup, starting with my liquid foundation. When using 'The Present' I have to rub in my foundation very quickly, as if I don't then the foundation sticks to my face (as the primer acts as a kind of glue) if this happens then my foundation doesn't blend properly and I can get streaks, but this can be prevented if you just rub your foundation in fast enough (however it can get annoying). After applying and blending my foundation thoroughly I then apply the rest of my makeup, such as bronzer, highlighter and mascara.
---------- Results ----------
At the end of the day when I come home I'm almost always very happy with how my makeup looks. As the primer acts as a kind of glue, my makeup sticks to my face and lasts all day, I was so impressed that my bronzer and highlighter especially had stayed on my face without rubbing off, as this never normally is the case.
There have been a few occasions when I've come home and noticed that my foundation wasn't blended in properly, but as long as you blend your foundation in well in the first place, then this problem can be prevented.
---------- Price and Availability ----------
'The Present' costs £22 for 56.7g of product. I find the price to be very expensive, however it does its job as a makeup primer and so I am willing to pay the price tag.
---------- Overall ----------
Overall I am happy with the present; it keeps my makeup on all day, which has never happened before. I find my foundation is still on my face when I get home, and even more impressing is that my bronzer and highlighter lasts all day.
However I am giving it 4/5 stars, as a) It is expensive and b) you have to rub your foundation in quickly to prevent the foundation sticking to your face before you've had the chance to rub it in.
(The Present received 5/5 stars on the Boots website).


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This finding probably comes as cold comfort to Toyota, which has seen its reputation and sales numbers seriously damaged by the aforementioned massive recalls. Toyota's U.S. sales were down 16 percent year-over-year in January, and it's hard to see how this verdict will change things, at least in the short term. I mean, it's not like you can sell a lot of cars by saying, "Remember those out-of-control Toyota crashes in the media the last couple of years? Not all of them were our fault!"
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