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Sep 8, 2013 at 11:07 am #1307434
I was wondering how many paleo BPers there are out there and what you eat???? I started my paleo way of life almost 4 weeks ago and don't cheat I feel no need to cheat . I feel a huge difference in how I feel.
My typical diet on the trail consisted of oatmeal, gorp,cliff bars and mountain house. All carb loaded!!
Now I'm stumped I have a trip coming up next weekend and have no clue what to eat I complete forgot about having to change my trail diet. I'm also one who loves having a hot meal can't go stove less.
Anyone help me out here with a quick fix to my problem????Sep 8, 2013 at 11:48 am #2022987
Ken T.BPL Member
@hereSep 8, 2013 at 11:52 am #2022988
Valerie EBPL Member
@wildtownerLocale: Grand Canyon State
I think you can keep to Paleo while backpacking, but it will take a little extra effort/money.
Breakfast: Google "Paleo energy bars" — you'll find a few commercial products available, plus tons of recipes (cheaper, but more work).
Snacks: Make your own GORP (most of which is Paleo-friendly, anyway). Nut butters in a squeeze tube (or Justin's little packs).
Lunch: Meat/poultry/salmon jerky; foil-packs of tuna/salmon; hard-boiled eggs; freeze-dried veggies (just munch as-is, or re-hydrate in cold water); dried fruit of choice.
Dinner: This is the more challenging meal for Paleo. Some suggestions off the top of my head:
– powdered eggs with freeze-dried veggies and/or re-hydrated freeze-dried meat = omelet
– vacuum-sealed smoked salmon portions (maybe not in bear country)
– buy separately freezed-dried meat and veggies; combine on your own and rehydrate (talk to Packit Gourmet, they will likely help you)
– bring your own pre-cooked, pre-frozen meal for the first night
– finally, remember that most Paleo people incorporate a certain amount of "cheating" into their program, and with the increased calorie demands of backpacking, you'll never get a more justifiable cheat time. ;~)
Bon appetit!Sep 8, 2013 at 12:11 pm #2022996
Ike JutkowitzBPL Member
@ikeLocale: Central Michigan
I eat primally (paleo plus cheese and winel) at home. I'm a little more flexible on the trail with the addition of quinoa pasta and mashed potato.
Breakfasts are usually sausage or bacon and mashed potato, sweet potato hash, freeze dried egg concoctions
Lunches- salami (I really like the olli salumeria pasture raised pork products) and hard cheeses, hard boiled eggs, jerky, larabars, nuts
Dinners- any regular meal thrown on my dehydrator- meat chili, beef stew, taco salad (seasoned beef, dehydrated cabbage and other veggies, salsa, porkitos.) spaghetti squash with meat sauce, sweet potato bark with freeze dried chicken, quinoa with sausage or chicken
I usually end up with about 50% fat, 30% carbs, and 20% protein, a little more carb than I typically eat at home.Sep 8, 2013 at 1:01 pm #2023002
Jeff SimsBPL Member
@jeffreytsimsLocale: So. Cal
I tend to live 80/20 when it comes to Paleo. Started out 100% about 4 years go and just found a happy balance for my body that works with my lifestyle. I travel excessively for work and have found solid snack and meal replacement opportunities above.Sep 8, 2013 at 2:20 pm #2023020
I'm going super heavy next weekend with tuna salmon and lots of nuts with powered eggs mixed inSep 9, 2013 at 4:14 am #2023241
Donna CBPL Member
@leadfootLocale: Middle Virginia
Epic bars are good too. I have one for breakfast, some gorp as snacks and lunch is anything from hard salami, hard boiled egg. I found that backpacking is more like Jeff's lifestyle…80/20. I needed more carbs by the third day out.Sep 9, 2013 at 8:51 pm #2023579
Kimberly WersalBPL Member
@kwersalLocale: Western Colorado
Jerky, pemmican, dried sausages, nuts, dried fruit, Larabars, (cheese for Primal eaters), tuna pouches, plantain chips,, zucchini chips, dark chocolate … The best option for strict Paleo hot meals is to make chili/stew/soups and dehydrate them for dinner. Curries are nice. When backpacking, I will sometimes add in rice or potatoes for homemade FBC meals when I'm not being strict.Sep 10, 2013 at 1:05 am #2023621
Jason ElsworthBPL Member
@jephotoLocale: New Zealand
Ovaeasy eggs are pretty good. I have had them for breakfast for the last few trips, but am now tending towards a no cook breakfast to get on the move more quickly.
I don't go paleo but I am sugar, dried fruit and wheat free. I think coconut butter may be OK for a paleo option. I currently eat a lot of almond/brazil nut butter on the trail and am thinking of adding in some coconut butter mixed with raw cacao powder and a little honey for a change.
I also eat cheese for the first couple of days and jerky. For dinner it is salami and noodles (rice or bean). Fat is added with dried coconut milk.Sep 29, 2013 at 6:35 pm #2029421
Piper S.BPL Member
@sbhikesLocale: Santa Barbara (Name: Diane)
Here's some paleo food I had on my last trip.
http://gossamergear.com/wp/tips/backpacking-with-no-cook-foodsSep 30, 2013 at 2:31 am #2029471
Great ideas thanks! I need to dig my dehydrator out and get to work my favorite season is right around the corner…Oct 29, 2013 at 7:47 am #2039030
ANTHONY FRANKLINMember
@redwood82Locale: Piedmont of the Carolinas
This has been a challenge for me.
Without owning a food dehydrator, I was limited the last time I went out for 3 day trip on the AT.
If I remember correctly, I did my homemade cereal for breakfasts. Theres no recipe really, its just mainly a combo of sliced almonds and shredded coconut, with some honey and pumpkin pie spice, baked on a cookie sheet until crispy / crunchy. I just ate it dry while walking. I don't miss cooking and eating mushy instant oatmeal one bit! I was able to keep up with my hiking partners eating their pop tarts while hiking, and I stayed full longer.
Lunch was foil packet tuna (in olive oil, not water!), with some relish and mustard packets for impromptu tuna salad. If it weren't for cost I would have just done jerky and some dried kale or seaweed.
Dinner was some eye of round beef jerky I dehydrated in the oven (kind of a pain)and some baby spinach, with some bullion for a soup.
For snacks between meals, I ate a lot of almonds, macadamias, dried fruit, and Larabars. I found myself looking forward to the chewy sweet Larabar and kinda disgusted by almonds after 2 days out. Dark chocolate was a precious commodity I wish I brought more of, I definitely reccomend it for the fat you need to stay fueled, and that is hard to get from other sources.
After a year of being paleo / primal, I also find that rice in moderation is not a huge deal to me and I sometiems have it, even while abstaining from other grains. If I had to pack up today for a trip, I would do some instant rice or instant potatoes to help fill out dinner. I also want to buy a dehydrater to bring out more veggies / homemade soup mixes.Nov 6, 2013 at 10:25 pm #2042064
Monty MontanaBPL Member
@tarasbulbaLocale: Rocky Mountains
Decades ago, when under the tutelage of a trapper, I was given this advice from someone who had lived through many winters: "Don't just eat fish, you will starve!" I believe him.Oct 11, 2014 at 10:02 pm #2140928
Hi Doug,
I'm sorry I didn't see your post earlier because I do know a quick fix to your problem. Go to http://www.PaleoMealsToGo.com for freeze-dried Paleo meals, perfect for backpacking.
Dawn (and all)
We have some very firm rules here about disclosure. Any posting on behalf of a company requires a FULL disclosure by the person posting of whatever vested interests they may have in that company. Given that you have made three identical postings in support of this company, one might reasonably suspect that you do have a vested interest. If this is indeed the case, please edit all your postings to disclose this fully.
If you have absolutely no connection with the company, it would be prudent to say so in such a posting anyhow.
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Hi Roger,
I appreciate you letting me know that and I'm working on editing the posts now!
Happy trails,
DawnOct 11, 2014 at 10:03 pm #2140929
Hi Valerie,
I wanted to suggest you check out http://www.paleomealstogo.com where you can purchase freeze-dried Paleo meals. My son and I started the company in Denver about a year ago. We've had really good reviews from a number of folks but since we're operating on a very limited advertising budget as a small, start-up company, I thought I'd answer some questions people pose on blogs as to where you can find commercially prepared Paleo backpacking meals. Feel free to check out our site at http://www.paleomealstogo.com.
Dawn Anderson
Owner/Operations Manager
Paleo Meals To GoOct 11, 2014 at 10:04 pm #2140930
Sorry, guys, my goal was to point you to our website and let you decide if the products were appropriate for you. I'm not trying to sell you on them, just wanted to let you know they existed. In the future, I'll be sure to provide full disclosure of my ownership of the company. I apologize.
Dawn Anderson
Owner/Operations Manager
Paleo Meals To GoOct 11, 2014 at 10:44 pm #2140932
David UreMember
I am assuming you work for the company?Oct 11, 2014 at 11:02 pm #2140938
Benen HuntleyBPL Member
@benenLocale: South Australia
I try to eat mostly Primal but it's expensive. I take ghee for a big calorie boost to meals. As was said above, you can't go wrong by dehydrating a chilli con carne with the beans left out. Also, deppending how strict you are, white rice dehydrates/rehydrates amazingly and adding in a few carbs can be a good thing after a hard hike.
Here is an energy bar recipe alsoOct 11, 2014 at 11:30 pm #2140942
Kevin BuggieSpectator
@kbugLocale: NW New Mexico
Thanks, Dawn, for the promo link. $12.99 for 300-370 calories will make that dehydrator seem cheap in comparison. Their meals are loaded with protein, but many cheaper ways to recreate in the resources posted above.Oct 12, 2014 at 12:58 am #2140943
James CouchMember
@jbcLocale: Cascade Mountains
From a more forthcoming posting on NWHikers:
Dawn Anderson
Operations Manager
Paleo Meals To Go
Denver, CO
firstname.lastname@example.com 12, 2014 at 9:01 am #2140983
David UreMember
Thanks James. I had a feeling because she posted a similar response in several threads.
Edit: just saw Roger's post.Oct 12, 2014 at 1:28 pm #2141040
IanBPL Member
From Paleo Meals to Go, I've had the Beef Mountain Stew and Savory Chicken. The quality of ingredients was outstanding. Savory Chicken was pretty good. Beef Stew needs some kind of gravy or au jus; tasted like it was missing something but again, quality ingredients.
Price per meal needs to come down. Postage is also a bit high. Need more meals and variety but I will buy from from this company again although it will only be once or twice per year until the price goes down and the selection goes up.
I like Steve's Paleo or at least their Paleo Kits and Crunch.
Epic bars are wonderful.
I eat rice in moderation on Paleo as I'm not trying to go carb free or to put my body in ketosis; same for quinoa. Mountain House Chicken and Rice isn't perfectly Paleo but close enough for backpacking.
Dark Chocolate is a great snack.
Get a dehydrator and just try to work out how to convert your favorite meals in the front country to something you can dehydrate. For chicken meals, dehydrate canned chicken as it's easy to de/rehydrate.Oct 13, 2014 at 12:42 pm #2141216
Sarah KirkconnellBPL Member
@sarbarLocale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
They are actually good meals. Quite good. I have had them and yes, do recommend them. They can be served over grains – if you are not paleo – to make a 2 person meal :-)Dec 12, 2014 at 7:41 am #2156082
Hi Doug,
Try http://www.paleomealstogo.com.
Good luck!Dec 12, 2014 at 7:57 am #2156086
Hi Dave,
Actually I own the company. My son has stomach issues so when he was going backpacking, he could never find a backpacker meal that he could eat. They all had a bunch of filler ingredients, to bulk them up and make them less expensive to produce, but which were bad for him because he can't eat gluten. So I had just moved to Denver and he suggested we start a small company and make freeze-dried meals that did NOT contain grains so all the Paleo and gluten-free folks would have an option. That's how a school teacher and an engineer started a food business!
We've learned a lot in the past year and are happy to tell you that we will be selling our products wholesale pretty soon. We're in the middle of contract negotiations with a company that will package our meals on a larger scale, we hired a marketing company to improve our branding and build a better website so these are some big developments for our small company and we're getting very excited to be able to sell our meals in stores.
We're still very small, (just the two of us and my son works full-time at his engineering job, so really just me) and not too many people know about our company yet. We're working on spreading the word so people know there is another option out there, esp. if they are concerned about avoiding preservatives, additives, grains, etc. Our meals are more expensive because they contain about 50% more protein and freeze-dried meat is not cheap. We hope to be able to reduce prices once we can purchase ingredients in bulk sizes for less money.
Feel free to contact me via the website if you have any questions.
Thanks and happy trails,
Dawn Anderson
Owner/Operations Manager
Paleo Meals To Go
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Located where downtown and the campus meet, Toomer's Corner is a busy location and is considered the front gate to Auburn University. For generations it has been a gathering place for celebrations and other events.
As the news of the poisoning spready on Wednesday evening, literally thousands of people visited Toomer's Corner to check on the stately oak trees that are estimated to be around 130 years old.
Local horticulturists told Inside the Auburn Tigers and Auburn University confirmed that the trees at Toomer's Corner have been poisoned with a lethal amount of the herbicide Spike 80DF and have very little chance of survival.
The lowest amount detected was 0.78 parts per million, described by horticulture experts as a "very lethal dose." The highest amount detected was 51 parts per million, or 65 times the lowest dose. Experts believe a normal application by itself would have been enough to kill the trees.
Spike 80DF, which is regulated by state agencies and the Environmental Protection Agency, is used mostly in pasture and farmland to control growth around fence rows and anywhere you would not be growing crops. It is designed to eliminate trees and shrubs to keeps areas clear, according to someone familiar with the product, which is not sold to the general public.
The herbicide has a half-life of 12-15 months meaning that it has just run half of its course during that time. It will still be active following that time period because it's one of the most active herbicides on the market according to a local horticulturist. Because of that it will likely mean a widespread excavation will occur to try to remove all remnants of the product in the soil in and around Toomer's.
While the herbicide is a definite threat to the oak trees it should not be considered a threat to people in and around Toomer's Corner.
With the Auburn police investigating they got help from what could be the prime suspect in the case as a caller to a syndicated radio show based in Birmingham admitted on the air on January 27th that he was the one responsible for the action. A man calling himself Al from Dadeville said that he was upset about something that happened after the death of Bear Bryant in 1982 and after this year's 28-27 Auburn win in Tuscaloosa and responded by poisoning trees where Auburn fans celebrate football victories.
A suspect named Harvey A. Updyke, 62 years old from Dadeville, has been arrested and charged with criminal mischief in the case.
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The photo shows Auburn fans celebrating at Toomer's Corner during the 2004 football season.
The poisoning caused outrage among Auburn students and alumni on Wednesday as the word spread quickly of the attack on the oak trees. By Wednesday evening a large crowd had gathered at Toomer's Corner, the main gate to the university where generations of Auburn students have celebrated graduations and other special occasions.
Horticulturists told Inside the Auburn Tigers there is a good chance that recent heavy rains spread the poison to other parts of Samford Park that runs parallel to College Street so there will likely be major excavation work needed to remove the toxins from the soil.


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"I preside over an incredibly large centre where almost every genre of the arts is on display, which makes you aware that the canon is reiterating over and over again that male creativity is the centre of the universe," Jude Kelly, artistic director of the Southbank Centre, observes.
Four years ago she founded Women of the World (WOW), an annual festival of talks, film and comedy, held in honour of International Women's Day — "to ensure there was a high-profile cultural space where hundreds of women's stories could be shared".
This year's festival, opening today, features Malala Yousafzai, Vivienne Westwood, Grayson Perry, Katie Price and Sarah Brown. For the first time there will also be an industry event focusing on Women in the Arts: 250 women, including Whitechapel Gallery director Iwona Blazwick, Orange Prize founder Kate Mosse, architect Zaha Hadid and violinist Tasmin Little, have been invited to debate what new steps need to be taken to achieve gender equality across the sector.
Our artistic institutions have been created by men who tend to appoint in their own image, Kelly argues. "If there's a massive men's network, they remember each other — if the woman is slightly outside of that, they forget she exists and is one of them."
This means women are mainly facilitators in the arts, while men run the big organisations (National Gallery, Tate Modern, RSC, British Museum, Royal Opera House). Of course, we now have women heading the Royal Court, Tricyle, Donmar, Serpentine and Tate Britain but these are relative minnows.
No woman was seriously considered for Tony Hall's job as head of the Royal Opera House or to succeed Nicholas Hytner at the National Theatre after Marianne Elliott publicly ruled herself out. Why are there so few female candidates? "This is the territory that is the greyest and most difficult to discover," Kelly says. "It was certainly possible to appoint a woman to the National — I don't mean to say it isn't Rufus Norris's right to have that job. I would say at the very top of the industry there is now a recognition that women are capable of doing it, however I still think there is anxiety when a woman takes a top job. It is a source of comment — and when you're a source of comment because you're a woman, then all eyes are on you and that is just one more added pressure."
Since she joined in 2005, Kelly, 59, has transformed the Southbank Centre (Royal Festival Hall, Queen Elizabeth Hall, Hayward Gallery and Purcell Room), inside and out, into one of the most vibrant arts centres in the country, with 28 million visitors a year. She manages a budget of £36 million. She's brought up two children and has a job she adores, so no one could accuse her of sour grapes. But she feels passionately about inequality in what she calls her own "cultural backyard".
She is aware that it's unpopular to say that women hold themselves back, but she insists that the arts has traditionally been a safe space to discuss difficult issues. "Shrouded areas", as she calls them, will not do. We can't go on "pretending everything is equal when you secretly know it isn't. I'm just asking women in the arts to be bolder about what they have been complicit in accepting".
At WOW, the disparity in earnings of women and men will be under consideration, and the need for affordable childcare. "How do we make young women feel that not only is the world their oyster when they're younger but [just as much] when they're 33 and thinking about kids? When you've got a male and female artist side by side as a couple, whose creativity has to be managed more than the other?" She adds pertinently: "I've met a lot of women who hadn't necessarily not wanted to have children, but had ended up not having them because they felt they had to choose."
Fear of ambition, she believes, is something that creates personal glass ceilings for women. "We are taught that good girls are pious and tidy and fit in" — when actually to be an artist you need to be noisy and driven, to have an ego — "at a certain level, though, people who directly make work have to find at the very core of themselves what it is they wish to speak about. That means you have to feel entitled to have a voice."
So women tend to be collegiate rather than competitive? "Even though I absolutely love the fact that women learn to listen and watch, and to be intuitive about certain ingredients of human dynamics, that leads to the kind of leadership that becomes quite consensual," she says.
What about Kelly's own experience? "I know, reputation-wise, people assume I must be tough and really difficult. I don't think I am those things — people work with me for years — but people assume you can't be driven without being some of the negative things they say about women."
She's had a bruising time with her £120 million Southbank redevelopment proposal (to create a Festival Wing with family art centre, studios and rehearsal spaces, providing free activities and arts access to London children). Despite initially backing the scheme, the Mayor joined in protests about moving the riverside skateboarding area underneath one of the walkways to create more retail space and Hytner publicly criticised the divisive impact of the architecture on the wider cultural quarter of the South Bank.
Couldn't they just have had a quiet word with her? "It would seem the neighbourly thing to do," she deadpans. The plans are currently being revised, and will have to be resubmitted for planning approval but she worries that loss of potential revenue without the shops may scupper the whole idea.
No one in her Liverpool family worked in the arts. As she has recalled, when she went to study drama at Birmingham University in the 1970s, determined to become a director, she was told she had just three female role models: "One's a lesbian, one's retired and one's just killed herself — which would you like to be?" In fact she founded Battersea Arts Centre before running the West Yorkshire Playhouse. In 1997, she was awarded the OBE for her services to the theatre.
For a time Kelly was a serious contender to be the first woman director of the National. Although she wrote the bid for the Cultural Olympiad, she took a back seat after Ruth Mackenzie was put in charge. Was that painful? She pauses, then reveals that straight after London won the Olympics on July 6, 2005, she was offered the Southbank job, so she always knew it would need to appoint a full-time director but agrees it was sad that it was represented as a catfight between women.
In fact the Southbank has been the making of Kelly. WOW has proved so popular it has spread to cities across the globe including Sydney and Baltimore. Meanwhile, last month's Being a Man festival was dedicated to her 25-year-old son (a dancer), her father, ex-husband and partner. She still holds the view that men benefit just as much as women from questioning stereotyped gender roles.
Everyone, she says, can learn from the gay community, who embrace a much wider view of sexuality. Gay rights are close to her heart; she tells me proudly that her 27-year-old daughter, Caroline, a poet, is gay and will be marrying her partner later this year.
Kelly is opening the Southbank as a wedding venue to straight and gay couples for the Power to be Wed weekend this summer. In the meantime she'll be campaigning for zero tolerance on unfairness in the arts.
"Most of the conductors and playwrights and film-makers around the world are still basically talking about the world through male eyes," she reiterates. As the makers of stories, artists choose and control the imagery that is all around us, which is precisely why we need more woman at the top.
WOW — Women of the World Festival runs from Mar 5-9 at the Southbank Centre, SE1 (0844 8750073; southbankcentre.co.uk/wow)
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