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WH putting health-care off until … February?
posted at 11:36 am on December 23, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Politico's Mike Allen and Alexander Trowbridge have some bad news for Democrats, especially in the Senate, where Harry Reid has kept the chamber locked in battle over ObamaCare for weeks in an attempt to hit the finish line by Christmas. Barack Obama plans to put the health-care overhaul on the back burner until after the State of the Union address, pushing any conference between the House and Senate off until February. Instead, Obama plans a "hard pivot" towards jobs and the economy:
The White House privately anticipates health care talks to slip into February — past President Barack Obama's first State of the Union address — and then plans to make a "very hard pivot" to a new jobs bill, according to senior administration officials.
Obama has been told that disputes over abortion and the tight schedule are highly likely to delay a final deal, a blow to the president who had hoped to trumpet a health care victory in his big speech to the nation. But he has also been told that House Democratic leaders seem inclined, at least for now, to largely accept the compromise worked out in the Senate, virtually assuring he will eventually get a deal.
Internally, White House aides are plunging into a 2010 plan calling for an early focus on creating jobs, especially in the energy sector, along with starting a conversation about deficit reduction measures, the administration officials said.
Both will be major themes for his first State of the Union speech, which will likely take place on Jan. 26 or Feb. 2. White House aides are in the early stages of planning for the national address, but Obama will not only trumpet what he has described as his "B-plus" performance in 2009 but also set the stage for the 2010 congressional campaigns.
This tells us that the White House has done some legwork in the House and found that the lower chamber is not going to adopt the Senate version as is, as Politico also reports this morning:
House Democrats insisted Tuesday they have no plans to roll over for the Senate in upcoming negotiations on a health reform bill, even as they acknowledged it would be all but impossible to reinsert a public insurance option or force the so-called millionaire's tax on the Senate.
Either move would disrupt Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's no-margin-for-error 60-vote majority. But House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her leadership team seem to have their sights set on lower-profile – but no-less important – differences, like boosting affordability credits in the final bill and starting the insurance exchange a year earlier, which they did in the House.
On a conference call Tuesday, Pelosi (D-Calif.) walked the party's leadership team through differences in the two bills.
Other differences the speaker mentioned Tuesday include: replacing the Senate's state-run exchanges with a national exchange established under the House bill, adding tougher mandates to make sure everyone secures health coverage and closing a gap in prescription-drug coverage next year. Senate negotiators have agreed to close the so-called "donut hole," but they haven't agreed on a time to implement those changes.
Forget Raul Grijalva's note of encouragement. These issues will be too tough to overcome without the House reworking the bill. That will either require a conference committee to resolve the two bills or an attempt by Harry Reid to get the Senate to buy a House version (the "ping-pong" strategy), either of which would be subject to cloture votes and unlikely to succeed to a floor vote.
The longer that debate drags, the further Obama drops in the polls, which is why this move only makes sense if the White House sees weeks more futility in the health-care overhaul debate. Even liberal commentators like the Seattle Times editorial board want Democrats to shelve ObamaCare and start paying attention to the fact that unemployment has spun out of control on their watch. Deficits are even more wild, as Obama's OMB Director Peter Orszag was forced to acknowledge when he admitted that he had underestimated deficits over the next ten years by 22%, or $2,200,000,000,000.
Unfortunately for Democrats in Congress, that move tosses them under a very big bus. They wanted to close this debate as early as possible in order to allow anger over the unpopular measure to ebb in time for their re-election campaigns. Under the new timing, Congress would have to consider ObamaCare and cap-and-trade in rapid succession, just in time for the summer and fundraising time. Unlike last year, Democrats won't be able to avoid appearing in public and being surrounded by Tea Party protests, and those two agenda items will provoke them to even more fury than last year.
The other term for "hard pivot" is "dithering." The more Obama dithers, the less likely ObamaCare becomes.
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Well, at least now that the Left is upset with Obama, the MSM is starting to break ranks with him. Who knows, maybe someday the media will feel it is their duty to respond to the concerns of all Americans.
You know, I doubt it, but on the other hand I don't think it matters anymore.
ps. Just heard Chris Matthews practically yelling "Prove it!" at some gal Lib who said Obama campaigned on the public option. Chris is so pathetic. He hardly lets his "guests get in a work, he is so busy screeching White House talking points at them. Hardball should be renamed "Creep-o-rama".
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Stuck in Texas. Learning Permaculture in drought, flood and strange weather. The bees are still alive.
When I first moved to Springfield, Missouri from Indiana, I worked for a supposedly commercial beekeeper here (he claims to run 700 hives, but has to buy 400 nucs every year to maintain that number). He threatened me physically if I ever told anyone about his beeyard locations or the fact that he puts hives on the Conservation Areas. Told me he would put Sevin in any of my hives that he found within 5 miles of his hives.
Angriest person I every met. I only worked for him a short time but I still remember how people kept asking me "Wow, you're still working for him? No one has ever lasted this long." I was told he assaulted an 85 year old man who criticized his nucs (that was the straw that broke the camel's back and caused the store to cancel his contract despite years of open hostility towards the customers). He is the only person I've ever heard of who was kicked out of a bee club.
ON another note, I know of at least two states where there are multiple bee Associations because the beekeepers could not get along well enough to stay together in one club. So they split and compete against each other.
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I am part of a fish forum.
A garden forum
and 2 bee forums.
And beekeepers do seem to have more prominent "stingers".
Fish people are great and help each other. But then the odds of my aquarium fish invading someone else's aquarium are pretty low.
Aquarium services are sometimes like beekeepers. There are only so many tanks to take care of. we don't share well. (I share better than most, trying to get out of it.)
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Coyote Creek Bees
Im sure there are lots of toes to step on out here in the delta, and I don't plan on doing that at all, I am a small fish in the big sea. The only way I would go sideliner status is if I locked up some land that was all to myself. I don't see that happening out here as there are far stronger ties than what I have.
You guys sure like to assume a lot of things!!! If you want i'll start another thread on how to croche tea cozies if that makes you feel more secure about things....................just saying!! Oh ya, does my how to raise queens thread threaten anyone?? Hopefully OHB or other large queen breeders don't get offended or threatened when I start mass producing 20 queens or so a year, I might just put them out of business!!
I love having to explain myself!!! I'll be sure to return the favor!!
Coyote Creek Bees
Not sure if many people have a big issue with price competition........ Rarely an issue in the long run cause the guy who undercuts everyone, especially dramatically usually gets out of the business from lack of capital fairly quickly.
Regarding jumping on established yards that's a whole different story. AKA "let the buyer" beware as stated so adeptly in the third person by MR. Logger mike. Yard jumpers in this industry are / have been dealt with like claim jumpers in the 1850's. Most commercial guys don't mind if a hive or two steps in their zone by a hobbyist but beyond that problems often arise anytime someone steps on another guys long established territory.
Acknowledged in most places its legal to do so but patently unwise.
There are two types of rules in all societies. The written ones and the unwritten ones. Most long established bee guys know the long established unwritten ones and follow them. Don't jump or steal another beeks yards!!!!!!!!!
Those who don't are shunned and are the folks who culminate their carrier as the person that everyone in the business avoids like a "friendly" lady with AIDS. Some times the "law breakers" face other "justice" as previously stated by the Logger whose "examples" are from an area I might call "turf war hell" from stories that come out of Northern California . Most good bee territory is long ago taken......A very long time ago at that. Many newbees think of this business as a free-for-all which it surely is not.
If you decide to grow big be patient and buy someone out when they retire.... Especially if someone is leaving you hints that you are in the "wrong" place. Prudent judiciousness will save you time and heartache if nothing else.
With all the technology today...... With Satellites, Remote control aircraft, Regular planes, Spy cameras, gps units.... Its fairly easy to find a jumper for those willing to invest the time to "secure" their beespace. Those who are known to bee "wise" in finding new yards wisely utilize the same resources and make sure they aren't in the wrong spot before the put bees in that big "new" yard... be they new or old at this business.
Don't expect that your hives will be Bee "GHOSTS" IN their new yards... Someone is already looking out for them before you even put them down. . Guaranteed.
Very well said, Honey4 all. All the best territory was taken long ago in California.Over the years I managed to step on some toes , and got mine stepped on too! As a general rule, if it looks like a great bee location, it is already taken.
Beekeeping turf wars begin when beekeepers start using shanks instead of their normal beekeepers tools.
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I appreciate your advise. I do believe that I am not cutting in on anyone by obtaining this spot. It isn't like this is a whim. This has been in the works for a few months, and I am quite sure the farmers I am dealing with have talked to the long time beekeeper, due to the questions that were asked of me when I met with the farmer to go to the location that I can place my hives. I was asked how many hives, my answer is no more than twenty, the number of hives I can fit on my 16' trailer. I also stated that they will always be on the trailer and not set on the ground, that way if I need to move them in a hurry, I can strap down, hook up and roll and be out in one trip.
Now I havnt met the commercial guy yet, but I would like to. I am sure he is getting ready for almonds, but not positive. Actually, I don't even know how many hives this guy has, since the farmer actually has a guy come from Washington to pollinate his 600 acres of almonds.
Im not out to cut anyones throat. Im not out to undercut someones honey prices to have the local health food store carry my honey. And I sure don't plan on getting big enough to have to warrant buying specialized equipment.
If any of you on here have hives in the Manteca/Tracy/Lathrop area..........feel free to PM me and I will tell you exactly where I plan to put my bee trailer. Or if you know the person in those areas, or people in those areas, again, feel free to PM me.
And another question, why would a commercial guy care about someone with 20 hives compared to their..........who knows how many hives?
Looks like I have ruffled some feathers, didn't mean to by any means, just basically found a place to keep my HOBBY close to home and now I feel like I am being treated like a claim jumper.
How does someone define someones beespace, in miles or acres.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but, it looks like you are planning on setting 20 hives in or adjacent to an almond grove perminently. Is that right? A grove that a commercial beekeeper gets paid to pollinate? If that's accurate, that 20 fewer hives which the grove owner needs to pay for. So, in effect, you are taking money out of someones pocket, if that is so.
Also, I wouldn't think that having a yard perminently established in an almond grove would be a good idea regarding hive health, what w/ all the spraying which will be going on there.
Mark Berninghausen
I'm new enough to beekeeping that I haven't run into any issues with my hives being too close to another beek's hives but since I'm planning on growing my own beekeeping operation I've often wondered about whether those issues are taking place out there. I do feel that individual's putting in new yards should be respectful of other beek's established yard locations. If they are aware of another beek's large bee yard being close by then they should act smart about their decisions. Putting in another yard too close to an existing yard only causes problems for both beeks at a time when the original yard was already there and not having a problem. Having said that, I also understand that what is one person's opinion of the nectar and pollen providing capacity of an area is not the same as another person's opinion.
I am curious why some beeks seem to think that a landowner/farmer doesn't have any rights and seems to be left out of the equation? (Not talking about going against contracts) What about land that is sold or inherited by family? What about the fact that there can be multiple owners all with their own acreage? Farmer A can have hives and Farmer B cannot? Messing with someone else's property (bees and equipment or even the land) to cause damage and loss of bees is dishonest and another form of stealing. That's what it boils down to. Be gentle.....

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Cass County Sheriff Tom Burch gave a brief description of the services the sheriff's department offers, as well as the cost of part-time or full-time contracts and the different resources the department offers, at the Backus City Council meeting Monday, March 4.
The council is reviewing its options concerning police contracts for the city.
Backus currently contracts with the Pine River Police Department, but Cass County deputies also assist with emergencies in the city. Burch assured those present that even if Backus continues to contract with Pine River, the sheriff's department would continue to respond to the city of Backus.
"No matter if you stay with your contract, we are certainly here to assist the agency you have in anything they need," Burch said.
Burch said his department is currently paid approximately $40 an hour for a casual coverage rate, or $85,000 a year for a full-time rate in similar cities, depending on the services offered.
Mayor Kurt Sawyer suggested that the city could cut the cost of having a police force in half if it reduced the hours of coverage from 20 hours to 10 hours per day. Sawyer also said the city would save money because its current contract with the Pine River Police Department requires the city to pay for travel time between Pine River and Backus.
Furthermore, he said the officers on duty can sometimes be found patrolling the highway, near the Backus Legion parking lot or on a road near the Evergreen Cemetery.
"They're not even in the city limits, and I guarantee we're paying for it," Sawyer said.
Backus Fire Chief Jason Smith said the Pine River Police Department can often respond to calls faster than the Cass County Sheriff's Department. Council member Richard Bean agreed, saying Cass County is a large county.
Pine River Police Chief Paul Sand said the department would continue operating, but might lose one officer if Backus decides to drop its contract.
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• Renewed the contract with the Backus Fire Department for an annual cost of $8,480.42.
• Approved reservation of the Trailside Pavilion for the Backus Old Timers' city wide garage sale on behalf of the Cornfest Committee.
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I think It would be more surprising if he didn't send her to a shrink....
it's part of his job to do what he did, I don't understand why anyone would be upset about that.
The "shrink" may be able to figure out a better treatment method then what she was currently doing before...or may find that she simply doesn't need it anymore....isn't that a "good" thing? why would anyone be upset about getting good care?
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you can't just accept that others where right before you and just keep it going, what if they were wrong? what if the situation has changed....you can't just prescribe drugs to someone because they were prescribed before at some point, that's borderline criminal behavior.
I suppose I should just have an open prescription for codeine because it was prescribed for me when I had pneumonia 3 years ago, and lets give me some free Vicodin and maybe some percs too because I had them when my wisdom teeth were removed.
it's insane in my opinion to believe that a new doctor will just continue prescriptions given to you from a previous doctor...just because...without checking into it him/herself.
Come on, shes not trying to get pain killers. This is for ADD and its a very low dosage, the lowest they make.
Again thats what the appointments for, to assess the patient. If he doesnt think she needs it, just tell her.
Gotta agree with Scrappy on this one. Doctor has to put his name on it. And only a psychiatrist can make that evaluation.
You should know that Dez.
"Typical Morehead!"..................and he didn't even mean that as a compliment..
how is this a bad thing? he's only doing what he thinks is best, not only that but who are we to question this decision...neither of us are doctors dez.
now if it's going to prevent her from getting the pills she believes she needs because she can't see the shrink because of money that is something she should tell the doctor...maybe they can work something out.
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There are small mini version of skeps that are used as "nucs" or mating hives. Small casts get combined and surplus queens are hold in those mini skeps.
Those mini skeps are called "Pöttscher".
They are really mini tiny!
Pöttscher do get spales as well, since the bees are shaken out when moving into a full size skep or to catch the queen. (No other way than shaking them out to get hold of her Majesty.)