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Dec 21, 2012 at 1:12 pm #1297252
Ben 2 WorldBPL Member
@ben2worldLocale: So Cal
249 posts and counting. All the efforts, thoughts, and passions invested… who here changed his or her mind as a result of careful reading and deliberating? Anyone switch from pro gun to pro gun control — or vice versa?
Don't mean to start a thread just to argue some more. There is already a good thread started — so please keep adding your arguments there. What I am curious is strictly how many of you have been moved to change your position?Dec 21, 2012 at 1:30 pm #1937249
Ben CBPL Member
@alexdrewreedLocale: Kentucky
I can't say I have changed my mind about what response is appropriate. And I am really turned off by talk of guns being our god-given right, etc. But I have taken some new perspectives regarding the difficulties of gun regulation. I do think it will take a long time for regulation to be effective because of the positive (to gun owners anyway) associations with guns. I do think it will change over time, though. Many issues have taken generational shifts (ie old people dieing off), such as same-sex marriage and civil rights in the south. I think I actually did get a different perspective.Dec 22, 2012 at 4:40 pm #1937492
Ben 2 WorldBPL Member
@ben2worldLocale: So Cal
I like your response, Ben.
But I am still suspicious that precious few have changed their minds, either way.Dec 31, 2012 at 2:09 pm #1939681
Erik BasilBPL Member
@ebasilLocale: Atzlan
I have found the positions taken to be enlightening and eminent, so I have decided that I will adopt the reasoned position of whoever posts "the last word" today, December 31st, 2012. Cut off is midnight and I'll be convinced.Dec 31, 2012 at 2:16 pm #1939682
Bob GrossMember
@b-g-2-2Locale: Silicon Valley
"today, December 31st, 2012. Cut off is midnight and I'll be convinced."
Which time zone?
Now is already tomorrow in some places. That's the trouble with a global economy.
–B.G.–Jan 11, 2013 at 7:17 am #1942812
Jerry AdamsBPL Member
@retiredjerryLocale: Oregon and Washington
Mass shooters are obviously mentally ill
All of this talk about gun control has unintended consequence
It increases the hysteria that "Obama is going to take your guns away"
This hysteria might push a mentally ill person over the edge and start shooting people
We should spend more time talking about how it's everyone's right to own guns and any regulation is minor and not part of a gradual process to make guns illegal
On the other hand, they should push gun control if they want a polarized electorate with everyone arguing about guns, while they secretly pass special tax breaks for political donorsJan 11, 2013 at 10:24 am #1942865
James CastleberryMember
I remain confused about the focus exclusively on guns: Aurora and Sandy Hook are added to this list.
1.Huntsville, Alabama – February 5, 2010: 15-year-old Hammad Memon shot and killed another Discover Middle School student Todd Brown. Memon had a history for being treated for ADHD and depression. He was taking the antidepressant Zoloft and "other drugs for the conditions." He had been seeing a psychiatrist and psychologist.
2.Kauhajoki, Finland – September 23, 2008: 22-year-old culinary student Matti Saari shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine. He was also seeing a psychologist.
3.Dekalb, Illinois – February 14, 2008: 27-year-old Steven Kazmierczak shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amount of Xanax in his system. He had been seeing a psychiatrist.
4.Jokela, Finland – November 7, 2007: 18-year-old Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School in southern Finland, then committed suicide.
5.Cleveland, Ohio – October 10, 2007: 14-year-old Asa Coon stormed through his school with a gun in each hand, shooting and wounding four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon had been placed on the antidepressant Trazodone.
6.Red Lake, Minnesota – March 2005: 16-year-old Jeff Weise, on Prozac, shot and killed his grandparents, then went to his school on the Red Lake Indian Reservation where he shot dead 7 students and a teacher, and wounded 7 before killing himself.
7.Greenbush, New York – February 2004: 16-year-old Jon Romano strolled into his high school in east Greenbush and opened fire with a shotgun. Special education teacher Michael Bennett was hit in the leg. Romano had been taking "medication for depression". He had previously seen a psychiatrist.
8.Wahluke, Washington – April 10, 2001: Sixteen-year-old Cory Baadsgaard took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates and a teacher hostage. He had been taking the antidepressant Effexor.
9.El Cajon, California – March 22, 2001: 18-year-old Jason Hoffman, on the antidepressants Celexa and Effexor, opened fire on his classmates, wounding three students and two teachers at Granite Hills High School. He had been seeing a psychiatrist before the shooting.
10.Williamsport, Pennsylvania – March 7, 2001: 14-year-old Elizabeth Bush was taking the antidepressant Prozac when she shot at fellow students, wounding one.
11.Conyers, Georgia – May 20, 1999: 15-year-old T.J. Solomon was being treated with the stimulant Ritalin when he opened fire on and wounded six of his classmates.
12.Columbine, Colorado – April 20, 1999: 18-year-old Eric Harris and his accomplice, Dylan Klebold, killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 26 others before killing themselves. Harris was on the antidepressant Luvox. Klebold's medical records remain sealed. Both shooters had been in anger-management classes and had undergone counseling. Harris had been seeing a psychiatrist before the shooting.
13.Notus, Idaho – April 16, 1999: 15-year-old Shawn Cooper fired two shotgun rounds in his school, narrowly missing students. He was taking a prescribed SSRI antidepressant and Ritalin.
14.Springfield, Oregon – May 21, 1998: 15-year-old Kip Kinkel murdered his parents and then proceeded to school where he opened fire on students in the cafeteria, killing two and wounding 25. Kinkel had been taking the antidepressant Prozac. Kinkel had been attending "anger control classes" and was under the care of a psychologist.Jan 11, 2013 at 10:59 am #1942871
Diplomatic MikeMember
@mikefaedundeeLocale: Under a bush in Scotland
Why doesn't the USA simply grow up, and realise that the days of the wild west are over? Maybe the ego of small men are stoked by carrying a big penis extension, but nobody else is fooled.
Get to grip with your own insecurities, and the world, and the USA, will be a happier place.Jan 11, 2013 at 12:44 pm #1942902
George DavisSpectator
@nsiderbamLocale: mid-Atlantic
I agree that the US needs to "grow up" in many regards, but most likely not in the ways that you would choose. Our country was founded with the right to own and bear arms given to the citizen so that the government would not have a monopoly on "self-defense". All of the cities in the US with the strictest gun control measures also have the highest rates of violence, and the opposite is true as well — the safest cities and states tend to have the least-restrictive gun laws. Just because worldwide media says that guns are bad and it's not people that kill people but guns that kill people doesn't mean it's true. The same people that want the defender to be stripped of his ability to defend himself want to pay, with the citizen's money, for the offender to be "rehabilitated" at the local psyche ward. That makes no sense to me. Hold them responsible and get rid of them.
If a bad person wants to do something bad, he will do it; if he can't get ahold of a gun, he'll get a knife, or basesball bat, or lead pipe, or anything else. Hell, he can use his car and drive 90mph through a school crosswalk and take out more kids then than he'd be able to with a gun.
I don't want to get into a gun control debate as obviously no matter what I or anyone else says will sway your mind.
I'd rather have the wild west (and your so-called "penis extension") any day than a politically correct nanny state that punishes its citizens for wanting to protect themselves.
edit: I am not a gun owner.Jan 11, 2013 at 1:24 pm #1942912
Jason McSpaddenSpectator
@jbmcsr1Locale: Rocky Mountains
Mike, I'm fairly certain that you know that our Bill of Rights wasn't written for the sake of the "wild west". Our founding as a nation was built upon the understanding of natural law–that is our freedoms and our rights come from our humanity and not from government. Our founders in the US wrote that our rights and freedoms are divine in origin–in other words they are a given. Thinking, speaking, worshiping, self-defense, owning and using personal property, personal privacy, etc. are the rights of all human beings and as such we don't need a government's permission to exercise them.
To assure and guarantee that no government would infringe the natural rights of anyone in the United States our founders wrote into the Declaration and Constitution the Second Amendment–"self-defense". History, even current history is ripe with examples of dictators and despots–Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol-Pot, Assad that have disarmed their people. Only because some of those people resisted this effort were they enabled to fight against these dictators for their freedom. Sometimes they lost. Sometimes they won. We don't know yet what is going to happen in Syria.
The Second Amendment is not about keeping alive the "wild west", or hunting–it's about protecting the right to shoot tyrants and despots and protecting one's own life, family and property.Jan 12, 2013 at 7:43 pm #1943290
Kathy A HandysideBPL Member
@earlymusicusLocale: Southeastern Michigan
The second amendment was written at a time when the U.S. did not have a standing military and had to depend on armed citizens in case the U.S. needed to be defended.
We have a standing military now – the most powerful one in the world.
The amendment states "A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Note that the first part of the amendment reads "A well-regulated militia." People need to learn the history and context of that amendment. I don't belive it was written to give any lunatic the right to run around with military-style assault weapons. I think "well-regulated" means exactly what it says.Jan 12, 2013 at 7:50 pm #1943294
Kathy A HandysideBPL Member
@earlymusicusLocale: Southeastern Michigan
I think we have been sold a bill of goods of fear; that we have been brainwashed by the gun manufacturers, distributors, and those who depend on the profit from guns, to think that there's an enemy hiding around each corner and behind every bush and so we need to amass a huge personal arsenal of weapons for protection. I think there's a lot of corporate greed involved. Keep the fear going and you keep being buying more and more guns so that the gun manufacturers keep prospering.
Other major industrialized countries don't have this madness at the level that we have it. A mass shooting is a rare thing in those other countries; it's getting to be a commonplace thing here. Why? Why doesn't the U.S. look at what those other countries are doing and learn from them? Problem is, we are so arrogant that we think NO ONE ELSE can do anything better than the U.S. Fact is, many other countries do a lot of things a lot better than the U.S. Health care immediately springs to mind. THose other countries have national health care that provides for mental health, too. Here, if you're lucky to have insurance, the insurance company may cover a few visits a year, if anything. That is about as good as nothing.
I don't know what the answer is. I'm just so tired of people and their guns. I'm tired of the fact that children can no longer go to school and expect to live to see another day. I'm sick of guns being used to solve every problem, every difference.
Sick of it all.Jan 12, 2013 at 8:09 pm #1943300
Stephen MBPL Member
@stephen-mLocale: Way up North
Well said Kathy, I can understand both sides of the fence but what you posted is an amazing opinion.
I am from Ireland and grew up with shocking news on the Tv every day.Jan 12, 2013 at 9:30 pm #1943310
Nick GatelBPL Member
@ngatelLocale: Southern California
I can understand our non-US members not grasping the 2nd Amendment or even the Bill of Rights.
When I was in high school, the study of: the philosophers and intellectuals who influenced our founding fathers, The Declaration of Independence, The Articles of Confederation, The US Constitution, The Bill of Rights, The Northwest Ordinance of 1787, and The Federalist [Papers] were required to graduate from high school. You had to study AND pass US History in the 11th grade, and a passing grade was a graduation requirement.
Please don't tell me that all of this is no longer part of the required curriculum in high schools; but it sounds like this maybe the case.
Regarding the original amendments in the Bill of Rights; the only debate was that it was not needed — the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution guaranteed these. The debate was the Bill of Rights might be misunderstood as the only civil rights guaranteed to every citizen.
Now to the 2nd Amendment. Our forefathers did not trust ANY government. They believed that citizens have the right to overthrow ANY tyrannical government, and the 2nd Amendment would help keep the newly formed government in check, because the armed populace had the right to overthrow it, should it take away any of our individual rights. This is the 2nd Amendmend.
Also, please don't tell me you have never read the following quote by Noah Webster:
"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States."
No… I do not own a firearm and am not the member of any organization.
Lastly, I typed this on my iPhone so I hope it is somewhat readable.Jan 12, 2013 at 10:06 pm #1943316
Jeremy and AngelaBPL Member
@requiemLocale: Northern California
I'll paste below an excerpt from one of the Federalist Papers (#29, by Hamilton in 1788). I've trimmed it more for space than meaning; the full text is easy enough to fin.
"….Little more can reasonably be aimed at, with respect to the people at large, than to have them properly armed and equipped; and in order to see that this be not neglected, it will be necessary to assemble them once or twice in the course of a year.
….if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
At that time, there was great concern over the balance between State and Federal power, and a standing army was particularly concerning. Having a great body of the citizens armed was therefore seen as a balance against the threat a Federal standing army posed, rather than as a necessary substitute to the absence of such an army. To the "well-regulated" part, I would say that the usage of "regulated" with respect to troops at that time meant properly taught and trained. (While the modern interpretation may feel more comfortable given current debates, it would not have made much sense back then.)Jan 12, 2013 at 10:21 pm #1943319
Stephen MBPL Member
@stephen-mLocale: Way up North
NmJan 12, 2013 at 10:25 pm #1943321
Jeremy and AngelaBPL Member
@requiemLocale: Northern California
Re: fear…
I don't really have fear; and I think it can be said that some on both sides are selling the fear of being attacked; one side provides respite by proposing to de-fang the wolf, and the other proposes to add fangs to the sheep.
Some fears are not easily overcome, but not all are rational. Those who fear flying and instead drive are, when considering the statistics, making a clearly irrational decision. We are for the most part able to overcome such situations, but our brains are not shaped to handle many of life's modernities. Large numbers, high speeds, and extremely low probabilities all throw us off.
Speaking of low probabilities, I think nearly every child in this country can expect to live to see another day. A mass shooting focuses attention, but the numbers are lost in sheer size of the school-age population. One should certainly look for solutions to this, but one must also recognize that it is an extreme statistical outlier.
That is why I don't have fear; it makes no sense. I, and nearly everyone in this country, are far more likely to be killed by an accident with machinery, a careless driver, or from exposure, than by a shooter.
Re: other countries…
I wonder sometimes if it's really appropriate to compare us to other industrialized countries. By Gini coefficient (measuring wealth inequality) we should be compared with South America or Africa, certainly not Europe. There seems to be enough contradictions in gun control legislation and crime statistics that one could easily make the case one has no real impact on the other. If one believes that income inequality, poor health care, etc., have a significant affect on crime rates then comparing us to Europe would certainly make use look bad. On the other hand, we look positively saintly compared to many other countries in our Gini category.Jan 13, 2013 at 8:41 am #1943386
spelt with a tBPL Member
@speltLocale: SW/C PA
I went from thinking that we should do nothing re: guns because mass shootings, while psychologically horrific, remain an extremely rare physical hazard, to thinking that we should do nothing because the national "discourse" around this topic has shown that we as a nation go absolutely apeshit and are nakedly incompetent at coming up with solutions that don't actually make things worse.Jan 13, 2013 at 9:21 am #1943389
Jerry AdamsBPL Member
@retiredjerryLocale: Oregon and Washington
and – as we go absolutely apeshit, it might push some crazy person over the edge into killing people
spend an equal amount of time saying people are entitled to 2nd ammendment rights, and saying some reasonable regulations are in orderJan 13, 2013 at 11:09 am #1943423
Justin BakerBPL Member
@justin_bakerLocale: Santa Rosa, CA
The hysteria is ridiculous. We are witnessing the biggest politically motivated panic buy in the history of the United States. Ammo is cleared out everywhere.Jan 13, 2013 at 12:53 pm #1943446
jeffrey armbrusterBPL Member
@bookLocale: Northern California
Reducing mass murder to a statistic as a way to dismiss the need for reasonable gun controls is just cold. We know that gun control can limit the carnage. This seems to be a case of the nra not being willing to lift a finger (off the trigger?) in order to save hundreds of lives a year. Everybody who's sane and legal will still be able to get their guns–probably even the murderous assault weapons–but with a little bit more paperwork. Honestly, that's too much to ask? Gee, I have to say, the indifference of the gun people is just shocking to me.Jan 13, 2013 at 1:02 pm #1943452
Lynn TramperMember
@retropumpLocale: The Antipodes of La Coruna
NMJan 13, 2013 at 3:31 pm #1943487
George DavisSpectator
@nsiderbamLocale: mid-Atlantic
Everybody who's sane and legal will still be able to get their guns–probably even the murderous assault weapons–but with a little bit more paperwork.
Do you understand what the difference is between "murderous assault weapons" and the "regular" guns that you think exist?
Purely cosmetic.
By legal definition, an assault weapon is a semi-automatic weapon that has varying combinations of cosmetic features that make it look similar to an actual "assault rifle" (what the media wants you to think an assault weapon is), such as telescoping stocks, pistol grips, flash suppressors, threaded barrels, etc. Just like "regular" guns, they can have magazines of varying capacities, and fire one shot per trigger pull. Just like "regular" guns, they fire "regular" ammunition that you can find in any walmart, sports store, or gun store. In short, they are "regular" guns. I'm being serious — just look up the legal definition in the Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB).
The term "assault weapon" was created by the media in order to instill fear into the public so that the next step could be taken towards getting rids of guns. If the politicians pushing this legislation forward actually knew what they were talking about or cared about the safety of people rather than enacting their own agenda, they would simply try to ban ALL semi-automatic weapons…why? Because that's all that an assault weapon is. It is not any deadlier than your friend's/dad's/cousin's/brother's hunting rifle or handgun. It cannot shoot 600+ rounds per minute like an assault rifle can (which, btw, I would argue is actually less dangerous than a semi-automatic weapon). It does not shoot grenades. It is not the weapon of choice for psychopaths and is only used in an incredibly small percentage of all gun murders in the US.
I honestly don't have a problem with people wanting to get rid of or impose regulations on guns and gun owners. I do, however, have a problem with how they are going about it.
– 1: The vast majority of people wanting to ban/limit guns have no idea what they're talking about. They simply spout what they hear on the evening news, which is often so disgusting that I can't bear to watch it (I don't only left-wing stations like CNN, but right-wing stations like Fox as well). They need to get informed.
– 2: We have things in this country called "amendments" which were set in place to protect people's rights and not be trifled with by the state or federal government. They are currently being trifled with. There is a process by which amendments can be changed or added, and they need to follow it. If they can't get 3/4 of state legislature/convention votes, then that sucks for them.Jan 13, 2013 at 4:01 pm #1943495
Justin BakerBPL Member
@justin_bakerLocale: Santa Rosa, CA
An assault rifle is a select fire rifle (select fire means it can fire both fully automatic and semi-automatic) firing an intermediate cartridge with a detachable magazine. There is the United States federal definition of an assault rifle, but that definition is just… stupid, as George just pointed out. I don't consider the federal definition of an assault rifle to be legitimate. It's ridiculous. Anyone proposing an renewable of the assault weapons ban is ignorant of what's in it. Or they are a politician trying to appease the masses with a useless piece of legislation.Jan 13, 2013 at 4:28 pm #1943501
David OlsenSpectator
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Finally we are learning something, at least from one side of the story. We should wait to hear the other side. Then see what lessons can be learned that will benefit the entire industry so that we individually and maybe as an industry through our associations and organizations can make sure this sort of thing does not happen again, whatever happened, since it appears this is not what should happen. If I understand LSPEnder, he makes it appear that this sort of thing is just a random chance or risk, and I think we all agree that random chance and risks are what good and MODERN management and independent mutually agreed operating procedures could avoid, for them, for us, for everyone in the future. So, we wait. (I like Loggermike's animated smily face icon, imho)
So we wait for, as Paul Harvey used to say: THE REST OF THE STORY.
Some of you might have noticed your posts have disappeared from this thread. Some were deleted due to being off topic, uncivil or inflammatory, but some were moved to a new thread on this forum titled "Can we prevent the "Bees Ripped Off" nightmares?.
I will stick that thread to the top for a day or two so it is easy to find, then let it float.
Beesource is about educating beekeepers. Somehow I think a story about a group of everyday Joe beekeepers who likely put alot of work and risk to make money in California and lost out big time and asked for help is our business and is a good lesson for all of us. Don't you? If we help our friend from WV as well then that's great.
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Me neither (they certainly are not "Made-Offs"), but I do want to wait and see all the facts from all sides before making any judgments, and then pondering it all, to see if there are solutions, remedies, and most important prevention tips from we all will benefit from helping here.
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Well it has been some time since i posted an update. The reason is that i was asked not to from the others in our group. We did find many of our bees, in almonds of all places, pollinating, of all things. Many of our hives were stolen. Many that were not had the middle frames pulled and replaced with empty frames. The word that i am getting is several thousand dollars switched hands from the farmer to the broker and that the broker kept it. I am not trying to defame or incriminate nor slander anyone, but am just giving the message i received.
Our broker sent me a paper saying that my bees all were infested with every imaginable brood disease, etc. That they were dead and if i wanted to pay $44 for each hive he would arrange for them to come back. We declined and a group from our group went out personally and retrived our bees. We still had to pay $44 a hive to get them back. My bees had no disease and were strong. I personally received 70% of my colonies back, and they were strong enough that i needed to super them as soon as they came back.
Those who say they have personal knowledge of our bees and they were not strong enough are mistaken about our load. I am not saying that there were not other loads from WV that were not up to par, i can't speak for those, but ours were. The so called private investigator who "knows" so much either is friends with the theives or inspected some of our bees after they had frames stolen. But my bees were full and strong and pollinated almonds, at this point for free.
Hard to tell how many nucs were sold or packages shook out of our bees.
I want to thank all those who were concerned and offered to go and look for my bees. It means a lot.
Sure sounds criminal to me. Way beyond the bounds of poor handling.
Steelton Bee Man
At least you made some progress on the whole situation but why did you have to still pay $44.00 for each hive when they are your property?
This problem may be more widespread than we have previously been led to believe....those of us that question "California Dreamin" and other excuses. In Science, there are many theories, the general scientific or logical rule is that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Ed "Steelton Man" offers not only the simplest explanation but also eye witness verification.
There is a joke about a wife who walks in on her cheating husband, and the cheating husband says to his wife, nothing happened, who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?
This will be a good learning experience as we now get more details and come up with various methods to protect ourselves from this.
Frames missing? Sounds like theft to me. I sure hope you bring criminal charges against the perps. There have always been a few thieves hanging around this business.Every now and then ,they get a 3 year date with Bubba.
I am wondering about the $44 also. That seems really high for shipping one way. Does this include the trip out also?
From here in Wisconsin I think we paid about $4700 one way. WV is further of course but even at double that the numbers just don't jive unless it is both ways and not a full load.
Truly an unfortunate situation.
I am wondering about the $44 each hive myself. In fact i paid $44 for hives i did not even receive. I am expecting a return on part if not all of that. Thanks!
I must say you are a very patient man.
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There was a fairly famous bee thief here in the central valley who told the judge at sentencing that he wanted to be remembered as the Jesse James of the beekeeping industry. One of his favorite scams was contracting for pollination, 50% on delivery. When grower calls for delivery, just cruise a few miles around, move em in, 50%, cash check, JOB IS DONE. Don't see much difference here.


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OAKLAND — The A's potentially created a competition at shortstop by acquiring Jed Lowrie from the Houston Astros for first baseman Chris Carter on Monday in a five-player swap.
Japanese star Hiroyuki Nakajima, who was signed by the A's in December, was thought to be the everyday shortstop, but don't be surprised if Lowrie's addition makes for a competitive spring.
On the flip side, Carter's departure opens first base for Brandon Moss on a full-time basis.
Coming with Lowrie to Oakland is right-handed reliever Fernando Rodriguez. In addition to Carter, the A's shipped two prospects, pitcher Brad Peacock and catcher Max Stassi, to the Astros.
Nakajima had been deemed the starting shortstop since signing in December. The addition of Lowrie, however, gives A's manager Bob Melvin the chance to choose daily between Nakajima, who was a star in Japan, and Lowrie, who started at shortstop for the Astros last year when he was healthy.
"He can be a very versatile piece in the lineup," Melvin said of Lowrie. "He could be a real nice fit, a switch hitter at the top of the lineup. I envision moving him around like a lot of the other pieces we have. It's kind of the way we put it together. We may even look at first base some for him with Carter leaving."
Carter hit 16 home runs in only 218 at-bats last year in helping the A's win the American League West, but Moss hit 21 homers, and the A's are clearing space for the left-hander to get more at-bats.
Carter was expendable because Moss, who had a .291 average in addition to his 21 homers in 84 games last year, will be the regular. But Lowrie, a switch hitter, "could be a nice option" against left-handed pitching, Melvin said.
While Lowrie has minimal experience — 11 games — at first base, he is enough of an athlete that the A's may give him a shot to back up Moss.
Lowrie said in a conference call that he is aware that Nakajima, a career .302 hitter in Japan with nine consecutive years of double-digit homers, has been installed as the starter. At the same time, Lowrie considers himself primarily a shortstop and implied he won't let the position slip away easily.
"I feel most comfortable at shortstop," said Lowrie, a former Stanford star. "I have played some second base in my career. I'm more comfortable (playing up the middle), but I have some experience at third base, too."
Nakajima won't be the only opponent Lowrie has to face this season. Health has long been a problem for Lowrie. He has yet to play as many as 100 games in any of his five big league seasons, the first four with Boston.
He had a thumb injury last March, then a sprained ankle in July that cost him two months. He was a .254 hitter with 14 homers before the ankle injury but hit just .200 with two homers afterward.
The Giants' Gregor Blanco spiked Lowrie on July 14 in San Francisco, and the resulting sprain limited Lowrie to 16 second-half games.
"I can't control everything about the game," Lowrie said. "When someone bounces into me when I'm not looking, there's not a lot I can do. I've done my due diligence to prepare to play a full season. I think it shows how hard I work that none of my injuries have taken away from my production."
A's general manager Billy Beane said he first proposed a deal for Lowrie in August, but the deal only came together in the past few days, after the Astros said they had no plans to trade the shortstop, whose $2.4 million salary would have been the third-highest on their roster.
"Jed's a guy we've had a lot of interest in going back to his Boston days," Beane said. "The No. 1 thing about him is his versatility. He plays all four infield positions and he switch hits.
"Hiro is a natural shortstop and he's most comfortable there, but Jed can play all over the place. There will be no shortage of opportunity for him here."
In Rodriguez, the A's are getting a hard-throwing right-handed reliever who was just 2-10 with a 5.37 ERA in 71 games out of the Houston bullpen last year. He has been walk-happy in his first two full seasons, but he also has been a strikeout machine with 136 in 1231/3 career innings.
"He has a real big arm," Beane said. "His record and his ERA are a little misleading. He's another guy to add to our bullpen depth. That was one of our strengths last year; it helped us get over the top."
Peacock was considered a top prospect when he was acquired from Washington in the Gio Gonzalez trade. But he struggled at Triple-A Sacramento last season, posting a 6.01 ERA.
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The Maxant 3100P I ordered came today.
I sent them an email on 7/11/10, Sunday afternoon, with my intended order and shipping info, I was surprised to see a reply that evening.
I called the next morning to confirm order and give credit card info, and talked to Jake, he was very helpful and within a few minutes the call was done.
I have not extracted with it yet but as a metal worker with 23 years of experience I must say it is a very nicely made unit. The design and workmanship seem to me to be first rate.
I would rate my experience as very good, great customer service, fair price for a very nice machine.
I would not hesitate to recommend Maxant as a vendor.
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I like the clear egg cartons I bought. It makes storing the decorated eggs in my frig feel really festive.
Pictures of the kids eggs after the jump. I actually really like their colors, possibly more than mine. They look more organic and soft. Rob thinks their eggs look gross. ha


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Design Lighting Tokyo 2014 has announced a series of new projects and installations that will take place at the show in January that will further enrich the exhibitions offerings. Catch a quick glimpse of each below:
The special installation "Bridge" is a selected collection of simple and stylish products by European lighting brands that have not yet been launched in Japan. Japanese architect Akihisa Hirata will select the products and supervise the installation. Showcasing the latest European designs in Tokyo, it will act as a bridge between Europe and Asia. For more information, visit http://www.design-lighting.jp/en/bridge/ .
"Next Lighting" is a special exhibit area for newly-launched manufacturers and designers to present their designs. More than 100 products are expected to be presented here. For more information, visit http://www.design-lighting.jp/en/Special-Event/Next-Lighting/ .
At the "Proto Lighting" exhibit, designers will showcase their prototype lighting designs. Untraditional materials and new technologies will be explored. For more information, visit http://www.design-lighting.jp/en/Special-Event/Proto-Lighting/ .
The "Design Seminar" invites high-profile designers and architects to speak, offering up the latest trends and cases from celebrated design projects. Kazuyo Sejima, a winner of the Pritzker Architecture Prize (also known as the Novel Prize of architecture) will speak in a special session entitled "Hikari: An Element of Arichitecture, Light and Lighting." For the Program & Application, visit www.design-lighting.jp/en/seminar/ .


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Garibaldi square historical center - 1
Size15 m²
Floor No.2(with elevator)
- Kitchen
- Washer/dryer
- Smoking allowed
- Elevator in building
- Internet/WiFi
- Family/child friendly
- Lockable room
Accommodation summary
Compact and well furnished, the living area features a double sofa bed and a flat screen TV. Guests will find a comfortable single bed on the mezzanine level, and the the modern kitchenette is well-equipped.
Surrounded by stunning architecture and historic monuments, this charming studio is perfectly located for any tourist wishing to see all that Nice has to offer. The Natural History Museum, the National Theatre and the Museum of Modern and Contemporary Art are all less than one minute walk away.
The beach is less than a 10-minute walk away, and the Garibaldi Square features a wide variety of shops, cafes and delicious restaurants. Guests will find a supermarket nearby, and the nearest transport stops are on your doorstep.
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We are not available to receive guests after 8pm from monday till saturday or on sunday the whole day. Nevertheless, we can send a trusted contact person that will ask you on arrival an aditionnal fee of 20 euros.
House rulesA mandatory cleaning fee is required.
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Salvatore was very nice and gave us some tips for Nice. He explained everything detailed and was trustworthy. The location and the apartment itself were ok but there was a huge problem with it: when you opened the window it smelled really bad, as if we were living in a cloaca ... We mentioned the problem to Salvatore and he said sorry and hopefully the bad smell vanished until the morning. It was the first night and we thought ok, we wait until the next morning. Because we couldn't open the window the apartment was very stuffy and we had only an electric fan which wasn't a big help. The next morning it was ok so we thought it was good now but soon the bad smell blew up again and it was useless to wait till the smell vanishes. In the four days we opened the window for about 5 minutes. In the corridor outside there was better air than inside the apartment. Unfortunately the apartment was not amazing but sunny all right.
Nice city was amazing and we had a lot of fun but the situation in the apartment ruined our holiday a little. We went unwillingly to the apartment and only to sleep. We left as early as possible and came back as late as possible. I hope the smell-problem is solved until the next guest arrives at the apartment otherwise they would have the same bad expirience like us.
Such a disappointment.
At the time we arrived to Nice, we had to meet Salvatore at the agency he works for. Salvatore was really kind with us and explained very well how to get to the apartment and some other things, such as supermarkets around the area, etc.
When we firstly got the apartment it looked pretty good, the apartment was setted up and clean.
A nasty smell came from the outside, we read about this smell in the street in other comments but did not really give it importance.
The smell was like a mix between cats pee and poo, which made us unable to open the window for the entire stay. To make it worse, the smell sometimes came from the bathroom. In addition, the apartment was very warm and humid. At least Salvatore had the detail of leaving a fan in the apartment.
very central and clean. Everything available in the apartment. Enjoyed a lot my stay.
I was surprise when I enter the apartment I was not expecting that good quality of apartment in that area. We had I feeling that we are in the 4 star hotel. I will definitely share this to my friends.
We stayed in a great apartment in a great location right at the top of the shopping street in Nice. The apartment had all the necessary equipment. But the apartment lacks air conditioning, which means you have to have the window up around the clock. And it can be both noise from traffic and odors that might be a little uncomfortable. But the apartment was great.
We were satisfied with the Studio. It is located very close to the Promenade des Anglais. The host was very kind and helpful.
My husband and I had to leave the apartment after 2 nights. It was not "amazing" as the description says and this is for several reasons:
First of all, it is way to small and stuffy. But this would not be a problem if we could at least open a window. It was like 40 degrees there and absolutely no air.
Now the actual reason, why we could not open the window: these are the neighbors one floor down. We don't know, what was going on there, but it strongly smelled like human urin. Once you open the window, the smell just hits you right into your face and it smells like this in the whole apartment within 5 minutes. Just impossible...so we had to keep the window closed.
We wrote about this problem to Salvatore (whom we also did not get to know personally, just his cousin) on the very first evening and he promised us to find another flat for me and my husband. However, he contacted us on this regard first one day later in the evening (with no solution) and we had to stay there for another night. In the morning we have checked out and had to book another hotel in a rush.
We have to admit, that having such a neighbors is not Salvatore's fault, but there must be done something about it. And the guest have to be informed about this problem!
This situation has destroyed two days of our vacation in Nice and provided us a lot of stress, bad mood and costed us money, because it was very expensive to book another hotel in such a rush.
Salvatore has transferred us money back and we appreciate it, but still first after a couple of reminders...
We are sorry Salvatore, but for these reasons we can not give you a good feedback.
Natalia & Lars
Nice is a great city!!
The apartment was a fine place to stay; after 5 minutes walk you are at the beach, to the old town is a bit further to walk, but you can walk there and the supermarket is around the corner.
There are many buses in the city and also to and from the airport and the train station.
Salvatore is very helpful and kind person and he helped me with a few questions I had.
In the apartment was everything there that I needed during my stay and there was even a city map. Very useful!
I was only 1 houer in the "amazing sunny Appartment" and i leave the Appartment. I was disappointed about the Appartment. It was not sunny sorry to say that. On the pics looks good but not in real.
Everything went well. Nice, small, and tidy apartment in the center of Nice.
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~Comet - General Information~
Comet is a chain of stores in the UK that offers a huge range of electrical items and white goods. They also have a website where you can browse, buy and bid on regular stock and clearance items. See www.comet.co.uk for more information.
Products currently available from Comet include :
*Laundry - washing machines and tumble dryers
*Kitchen appliances - dishwashers, fridge freezers and cookers
*Small appliances - toasters, coffee makers and microwaves
*Entertainment - televisions (including 3D and plasma), DVD and blu-ray players, cinema systems, hi-fi, consoles and computers
*Others - vacuums, mobile phones and Sat Navs
Some offers may be store or internet restricted and it is possible to reserve items for store pick up. Comet stock various branded products from companies such as Hotpoint, Beko and Samsung. Comet promise to price match their goods against other competitors including Tesco and John Lewis. Comet have a return policy where unopened goods with be refunded within 28days (by original payment method or gift card depending on timescale). Comet also offer 'buy now, pay later' options to allow you to spread the cost of your purchases.
~Why Did We Choose Comet?~
My views will be based on my experience fo my local Comet store which is in Hamilton, Lanarkshire. This particular store is located in a retail park and is quite a big store. It is open 7 days a week. Midweek it is open from 10-8pm and shorter opening times at the weekend.
I have used this particular Comet on a few occasions for buying major appliances for our home. The most recent occasion was to purchase a new fridge freezer. My fridge freezer broke down with around £40 worth of food in it. A fridge freezer is an essential kitchen item for most families so we needed to buy a new one asap. I first checked Argos and also Curry's but both were average 5-14 days for delivery.
We had previously used Comet when we moved into our first home a few years ago. We bought a cooker at that point and then a replacement washing machine around 3 years ago. I couldn't remember having any issues with them so I was happy to buy from them again. I visited the website and found it very easy to navigate. I noticed that many fridge freezers were available for next day delivery. Unfortuantely I couldn't order online as my Mum was putting the fridge freezer on her credit card so we had to buy instore.
~Comet, Hamilton - My Experience~
Comet in Hamilton is quite a large store set over the one level. It is full accessible for those with mobility problems or with prams. Despite there being literally hundreds of electrical items on display, the store doesn't appear to be overly cluttered. There is definitely a lot on offer and it is good being able to see the products in the flesh. We visited on a late Thursday morning - myself, my Mum and my little boy. We made our way up to the fridge freezers at the back of the store and were spotted by a member of staff!
I noticed a few members of staff in the store and they did come across as being professional and knew their stuff. I had a look at what was on offer and then sat down with the lady to discuss my requirements. I explained that space was no issue as the fridge freezer would be freestanding. I wanted a white fridge freezer with plenty of freezer space and under £300. I did like the look of the American style fridge freezers but they were out of my budget but still reasonably priced compared to a lot of stores. Normally I would opt for the cheapest option with appliances but this doesn't always work out the best option in the long run.
I eventually settled on the Indesit NCA55. This fridge freezer is currently on the website priced at £269.99 but we paid £249.99. I do believe it was reduced from around £300.00. It is a great family fridge freezer and well worth the money we paid for it. As we bought instore, I was able to open it up and check that it would be spacious enough for us. We were asked if we would like them to take away our old one for £9.99 but declined as we have free uplifts from the council. 1 years cover is provided for this appliance but you can extend this to up to 5 years at a cost of £94.99 - I declined!
Once we had made arrangements to buy this fridge freezer, Mum mentioned it may be worthwhile just to order a new washing machine too. Our washing machine door was half snapped off and could fall off completely any minute. It wasn't performing well either so it would be best to buy a new one and then I could pay my Mum back for it. The washing machines on offer were very varied and included those which could accommodate small loads to large family loads. I did like my Beko at first but would have preferred something a bit more expensive.
After searching on her computer for suitable washing machines, I was directed to one that was reduced by quite a substantial amount. At the time, I wasn't asked what size of space I had for a washing machine and actually panicked when I got home and realised! Thankfully, the washing machine I chose is the same width and height as my old one but sticks out further rendering one of my drawers useless.
I opted for the Hotpoint HF8B593P which is a huge 8kg washing machine. It looks fab and works like a dream. It is a super silent machine which is a god-send and I love it. We paid £299.99 for this machine and instore, it was reduced from around £429.99 if I remember correctly. It is currently on the website priced at £349.99. If you wish to have the old machine disconnected and disposed off, this will set you back £9.99. Installation is £19.99 and whilst 1years cover is included, extending it to 5 years will set you back £174.99 - not something I was willing to pay for!
We spent a good hour in Comet between looking at potention products, discussing my requirements and finalising arrangements. I found the lady who attended to us to be friendly and she could easily answer any questions. She didn't push me to make more expensive purchases but did try her best to convince me to take out the additional cover. We paid by credit card but they do accept cash and debit card. All documents for cover were given at the time of purchase.
I had the opportunity to have both appliances delivered for free if I could wait until the Tuesday. I needed the fridge freezer asap so was offered next day delivery for both appliances at a cost of £20.00. I then paid an addition £5.00 to have them delivered between 2pm and 7pm as I knew I would have to go out in the morning. I received confirmation by SMS and the next morning, I received a phone call just after leaving the house. The delivery van was in the area and asked if they could deliver there and then. I had to decline as I was out and whilst I feel this was a nice touch, I paid for a time slot for a reason.
I had hoped they would be back around the start of the time slot but they didn't come until 6.30pm. I was out at this point but my fiance checked the website with our reference to find out a rough time scale. We requested that the fridge freezer be put in the kitchen as our old one was already gone and the washing machine to be left in our spare room as I was waiting for my Dad to uninstall the old one. My fiance said they drivers were friendly and managed to get the appliances up to our first floor flat without damaging them. Our appliances were well packaged and we were given instructions on how long to let them settle before using.
Whilst I am aware that many have had issues with Comet in the past, I personally have had no problems with them. That being said, I've never had to return anything so can only give my views of the store. I feel I made the right choice with my new appliances and will happily shop at Comet in Hamilton again.
Thanks for reading :)
1. The in store sales staff will try to sell you unnecessary add ons for your purchase ie:very expensive circuit protection devices, over priced cables ie: HDMI cable for £60.00 when a £10.00 one is more than adequate. Overpriced screen cleaning kits, when a damp cloth will be just as good.The staff are targeted to sell these add ons and DO NOT give you best advice.
2. Returns and refunds are NOT handled under the spirit of the sale of goods act.
3. Customer service lines for all numbers are charged at premium rates so YOU end up paying to make a complaint or delivery enquiry that is due to their incompetence !
4. Any positive review you may see for Comet will not have been written by a customer who has had to make a return for faulty goods or request a refund.
*Had to give 1 star but they deserve none*
I chose Comet as I felt they had a reasonably good image with a strong brand and if I needed good after-sales service then I would be likely to get a good response.
How wrong was I? I should have simply gone for the cheapest online offer and will do in future. I placed the order and a few days later I received an email to say my 'stuff' (Comet's words, not mine) was due to be delivered on Thursday 1 January 2099. By my reckoning I'd be 130; unsure it's worth the wait. I rang up the Customer Helpline (at my cost) and asked how could this date be accurate. The call centre operator asked me if it was an extended range item. How would I know that? She also then asked if it would be coming directly from the manufacturer? To me, the customer, why is that important? I simply wanted her to acknowledge that 2099 was ludicrous and that my dishwasher would be delivered on a certain date. She explained that their system defaults to that date if it's coming from the manufacturer. She didn't seem to understand the customer's confusion about 'their' system. I also asked if I could arrange for collection of my old machine; she said I could at a cost of £9.99 and I would need to arrange this once I'd been telephoned 'direct from the manufacturer' with the delivery date. Condescending was an understatement and simply kept repeating what she had already said regarding why the date had defaulted to 2099. I am a reasonably intelligent and articulate individual who has the time and money available to ring up and query this. Not all customers will and those will be simply left in a state of confusion.
I rang back to complain about how I was spoken to. The second individual repeated what the first one had said and also explained that Comet had a number of different complaints departments so she needed to get to the root of the problem first. It was clear she had no intention of passing me on to anyone else and said they would deal with it internally. What she seemed to mean was yes, you have a point, we have a system which isn't very customer-friendly and we've no idea or inclination how to respond to your feedback.
Incidentally when I was called again about this last week (following a call to head office) I asked if anything at all had been detailed against my order about my complaint? Surprise, surprise, no. 'With our extended range we only have a very small box that we can complete notes against'. Not a very good complaint handling system then?
Prior to delivery I logged into their site to try and track my order. When I put in the order number, surname and postcode, it gave no information whatsoever. I tried a few times, same result.
I had a call from a gentleman a few days later (I presume this was from the manufacturer) to say they could deliver on the Wednesday of that week. When I asked if I should call him back on the same telephone number he'd given me to arrange collection of the old machine he confirmed yes and that it would cost me £20, not the £9.99 mentioned on the telephone by the call centre. I ended up donating to the British Heart Foundation.
Very unimpressed with the service from Comet. Pretty ironic considering I'd chosen Comet based on my perception that service would be good. I suggested that as a gesture of goodwill they consider refunding me the difference between the cheapest price for the same product at the time (Prudent Panda) which came to about £40, quite a sum. Why would I consider paying nearly £40 more for a brand which I shouldn't have trusted to get it all right in the first place? Their response? 'Because it is outside of the 14-day price promise guarantee I'm afraid we can't do this.'. Argghhhh! I'd not even quoted a Price Promise policy! I've since found out that 'extended range' items (which means nothing to the customer) don't fall under this policy anyway!
In times of economic downturn and in such a competitive marketplace, I am astounded Comet take this approach with customers. Carry on with this appalling customer service and I do feel Comet's days are numbered.
Until recently I was a big fan of Comet. I had bought several items from them, ranging from the normal kitchen white goods to TVs and the like. I had always had good service from them and they had handled problems with those that had suffered problems within the first 12 months. However, I now had a TV that had expired (a 19" LG, reviewed here) after just 21 months of use and so this would be the first test of whether Comet could be trusted to honour their obligations under the Law or not.
Most of you will be aware that you rarely have a problem with retailers when the product in question is less than 12 months old; retailers such as Comet and Currys/Dixons buy their products from manufacturers at knock-down prices on the understanding that the manufacturer will have no obligations for products that fail after 12 months. This is why retailers will move heaven and earth to avoid their own obligations as the organisation that actually sold the product to you.
When you buy a product from retailers like these you always get the sales pitch to extend the warranty for a period of 3 or 5 years. I usually avoid these add-ons for low priced items as I just don't consider them good value for money and this is, indeed, the general consensus from market commentators. I have only once bought such a warranty and this wasn't for a purchase from a High Street chain but from a specialist PC dealer and it was for a laptop that cost approaching £2,000. I did get good value out of that warranty!
The law on consumer purchases (Sale of Goods Act 1979) is generally misunderstood. The primary tests of a product relate to "fitness for purpose" and "satisfactory quality". It is in the interpretation of these guidelines that many retailers try to wriggle out of their obligations. Also, depending upon the type of product involved, there may be an obligation to repair, replace or refund for up to 6 years after purchase! With retailers like Comet and PC World, you are likely to have a battle on your hands, as I have discovered with both, but perseverance can be worthwhile.
I think we would all agree that a modern TV should be expected to last longer than 21 months. One that doesn't, in my opinion, has demonstrated prima facie that, no matter how well it initially seemed to perform, it had an inherent fault from the start. It was just failing over a rather longer timespan that might otherwise have been expected but, failing it was.
This was my position when I took it back to Comet. As they had before with other faults, they tested it in-store, plugging it in to aerial feeds and power, and trying to switch it on. After 5 minutes of trying different leads and so on, they agreed with me that the TV was completely dead. It was obvious to all concerned that the power supply had failed but they would not admit as such.
I was offered that they would take the TV into their workshops to "diagnose the problem". We all knew what the problem was! This would cost £99 and would cover the cost of repair, non-refundable, no matter what they found to be the "actual" problem. I was offered the opportunity to take it to one of their "approved" repairers for them to carry out an independent examination in order to establish the exact component that had failed but with no assurance about what would happen if they established that the part that had failed shouldn't have.
I decided at this point to take the TV to an electronics repairers not far from where we live (ICTV in Farnborough), who we have used in the past and who have done good work at a reasonable price. They offered to diagnose the problem to establish if a repair could be carried out, for £50 and, if we decided to have them repair it, discount this from the cost of the repair. I told them to go ahead. They called me a couple of days later, confirming that it was the power supply that had failed and that they could repair it for just over £90.
Now, in the meantime I did what I should have done right from the start: I contacted LG Customer Support, through their website, and asked them if there were any known problems with this model. I got a reply a few days later confirming that there was a known manufacturing problem with the power supply. Not only that but they stated that, if the TV was delivered to one of their service units, they would repair it for free! Too late now: the TV was already being repaired at ICTV. However, I did at least now have the evidence I required to prove to Comet that the TV had a known manufacturing defect and that they were liable under Law. It was neither of satisfactory quality nor fit for purpose.
With this evidence I wrote recorded delivery to Comet's HQ in Hull. I set out the sequence of events and detailed the reaction of their store staff at the store from which I had originally bought the TV. I enclosed a copy of the original receipt, the email from LG confirming that the TV had a known manufacturing fault, and the invoice for repairs from ICTV, and claimed from them the cost of repairs. I few days later I got a letter from Comet totally denying all responsibility. They claimed that the manufacturer had not notified them of the fault with this product though they didn't deny that fact of the fault!
I started reviewing the procedure to make a Small Claims Court claim against Comet when another letter arrived, this one from LG. In it they enclosed a form offering complete recompense for the cost of repairs, without any admission of responsibility. That was good enough for me and so I accepted their offer. It seems that Comet had off-loaded their own obligation onto LG. At least LG had acted honourably!
So, what have we learned from this?
1) Comet is no better nor trustworthy than many similar retailers when products bought from them fail.
2) When products fail, it might pay dividends to consult the manufacturer first; you might save yourself a lot of grief or, at the very least, get valuable evidence to support your claim against the retailer.
3) Be persistent; in most cases the retailer WILL be liable, no matter how much they try to wriggle out of it. They are trying to evade responsibility because otherwise it cuts into already slim profit-margins.
4) LG is an honourable manufacturer and will be getting much more of my business in future.
5) Comet will be getting none of my business in future.
After 4 weeks waiting for my washing machine to be repaired, Comet's engineer was due to come in today so I took a day off work. I then had a call from a boy who could barely speak properly saying that the engineer cannot come as he is sick. Comet has provided the worst customer service I have ever experienced. The machine is an Indesit IWB21750 and it broke down after 3 months use. The engineer came over on 25/02 to check it, said that the whole drum needed replacing and that it would be done no later than 09/03. I have been calling Comet since that date and I have been given a whole array of excuses: part no delivered, no engineer available within next 7 days, engineer off sick.
I wrote a factual review on Comet's website six days ago about the (poor) quality of the washing machine and the it has been censored. I also contacted Indesit who said that they could not help - apparently if I had bought the machine from any other retailer, Indesit would fix it.
If you are considering buying any goods from Comet - DON'T.
Decided to buy a laptop from comet online, after looking around they had by far the best price with their website easy to navigate, rather than buy online i decided to go into our local store and collect. The item was waiting for us when we arrived only 40 minutes after ordering and the whole process was smooth and faultless.In-store the staff we helpful and knowledgable and seemed more interested in getting us the most laptop for our needs rather than their commission.Would definately shop their in future!
I purchase what was a bargin laptop from the Comet Web site, which seemed to be a good £200 less than other places. The order went through the money was taken, I even checked to confirm the delivery date a couple of days after. Then they called up to inform me it was a discontinued product and asked if I wanted an alternative, the only products available which were similar was a laptop part number unique to Comet and Laskys for £200 more or the option of a lower spec machine for the same price. I sure I'm not the only person this happened to and I wonder how many went for the other option? The question is did they have any intension of supplying it to me and the others in the first place?
I recently used Comet Fixed Price Repair Service to repair a 17-year old Rosieres oven whose heating element had failed. This is a rare make, parts hard to find, but is included in Comet's list of manufacturers. Based on the £125 fixed-price repair service I decided to give Comet a try.
At all stages the service was efficient and exemplary, from initial contact to repair.
I was particularly impressed with the way Comet called me at intervals to let me know the progress of the order for the part, which was on a two week lead time from France.
The engineer called on the appointed day to confirm the time, arrived slightly early and the repair, which proved to be quite complicated, was performed perfectly. The service couldn't be faulted, and at a guaranteed £125 including parts (up to £150) is extremely good value. I would certainly use them again, and from my experience, can without hesitation recommend this service.
We puchased a iPod speaker dock from here which turned out to be faulty but when we took it back they said all they could do was exchange it for an alternative as that model was discontinued or issue a gift card.
They didn't have a comparable one so we are now stuck with a gift card to use at Comet and no speaker dock. They never offered to repair the product as they should according to their policy.
Their customer service generally sucks, we weren't acknowledged but were just pointed "over there for returns" after waiting while the sales assistants stood around talking we had to ask if anyone was going to serve us. They have no interest in customer service after purchase, just about getting the sales! When we finally find something to spend the gift card on that will be it, no more Comet for us we will be shopping at Curry's or elsewhere.
Bought a JBL iPod dock and some DECT phones from my local Comet three days ago.
The service in store was polite and helpful. Got the phones and the dock home and was delighted with all.
However, after a couple of days I did start to wonder whether I'd made a mistake and should have spent the extra to get the larger, more powerful JBL unit. I hold my hand up here and say that yes, I changed my mind.
I popped back to the store a couple of days later and went to the 'help' desk. After waiting for about a minute for the two ladies manning that station to finish their amusing conversation I politely asked whether I could credit back the 'old' dock and pay extra for the larger unit. I was perfectly honest and said that I had indeed used the unit for a day which was what prompted me to want the bigger one. Much to my astonishment the very surly assistant said that it was their policy not to accept goods that had been opened and used. Thinking that I wasn't being clear and perhaps misunderstood I politely and smilingly said that all I wanted to do was upgrade to the larger model, that I didn't want a refund. My wife will back me up on this. She's not used to me smiling.
The surly assistant then said there was a re-stocking fee of 10% but seemed surprised when I said that was fair enough. After all I'd changed my mind and there was nothing wrong with the product. She then called over her manager, who must have been in some distress as she looked as though she was chewing a wasp or similar. Without uttering a word the pair then proceeded to examine the product, it's box and contents before triumphantly pointing out a fingerprint on the remote. Then Miss Surly informed me that they would not take the goods back or swap them.
I checked with Comets customer service this morning and they confirmed that this is indeed their policy. That opened, used goods are unsellable. This is incorrect. I'm head of sales for a company here in the UK and we regularly take stuff back. So long as the customer remains happy. Our techies check the gear over, it gets re-packaged and sold as B Stock, fully guaranteed.
Anyway, in short, beware of Comet. It's not as if there's a shortage of good electrical retailers out there. I bought something from A N Other Hifi/electrical retailer last year and my experience couldn't have been any further apart. When I had a problem, this retailer bent over backwards to resolve it.
So there you go. If you read this Comet please be aware that you've lost this customer for life.
John K.
Ever since my bad experience with comet a month ago i have been desperate to come on here and complain about them in every way possible. Every experience i have had in coment has ended up with me writing paragraph after paragraph of complaints to them and yet i never learn my lesson and am drawn back in by there reasonably cheap prices. I hope now that this review is the last time i will be assocaited with this store.
I will first tell you all of my experience of comet just so you all get an idea of what to expect when purchasing any item from here. I have brought an ipod, a TV, an Xbox slim, An ipod dock and other smaller item i cannot remember the names of. Every single large item i have brought has come free with an extra package of disappointment. Nearly every item has broken within 2 months, (the xbox taking a whopping 2 days to become faulty). Anything that supposedly comes 'free' with the item has been unavailable and to top it off when ordering these 'free' items, they are never in stock on the day to return to the store.
Id like to say as a high point to this store that the prices are cheap because comparing to some stores they are quite reasonable but when the product breaks with the first 2 weeks of purchasing, the price gives me no releif. I may have got £30 off my new slim xbox but now im having to send it off to be fixed for more than this price.
I think that the only thing that made my experience with comet very slightly ok was how easy it was to complain. I sent an essay to them and within 3 hours i had a reply. They were very polite and made the process a lot easier, asking for detail etc. However, the final email i got was just an apology and 'i hope this doesnt happen again'. Although, the replies were very quick, i must admit i was expecting more than just a 'sorry'. A replacement for my faulty products was something i thought i deserved or even just a voucher.
The staff were pretty lazy in the store that i went to. They didnt seem to enthusiastic about having to search through their computer for the deals i wanted or helping me get the free items that were supposed to come with it. When handing £200 pounds to the person at the till i recall him later saying' uh oh where did i put that £160 she gave me.' It doesnt excactly shout employee of the month to me. Most of the staff didnt seem intersted in helping any of the comfused looking customers walking around the store either. I hope this is the same for other stores they have.
Im giving comet 1 star. if i could get less i would. Although the complaint system was fast, it didnt give me what i wanted and although prices were good, the product was awful. I wouldnt recommend this shop to anyone wanting to buy an expensive product. Maybe small things such as xbox games or leads but i would still encourage people to shop else where.
Overall, its an awful store. Every experience i have had with comet has been filled with disapointed and fustration and have had to replace every item i have purchased from there within 3 months. A complete distater of a store.
When my TV suddenly went blank, I saw Comet's £125 fixed price repair service and was taken in by the promises on the website.
It all sounds good, reality is different.
I called them to arrange it and was alarmed when they said the next available appointment was over a week away.
The "specially trained" engineer did turn up as planned, spent 5 minutes confirming the screen was blank, but did have power and a backlight as I described it to them on the phone. Probably a main board he said. "I'll get one ordered and we'll get back to you"
After a week I got back to them and they scheduled an engineer for another weeks time.
The "specially trained" engineer arrived fitted the board, it didn't work, and said it would need to go into the workshop but they were busy so it would take 5-6 WEEKS to sort it....making it well over 2 months to fix it......Or I could cancel the repair and get half my money back.
Reluctantly I agreed, and they said someone would be in touch to arrange picking it up. 3 days later and still waiting. (The 5-6 weeks in the workshop hasn't started yet.)
I feel disgusted and cheated by this firm and will NEVER deal with them again. So far I've paid £125 to have someone tell me my TV is bust.
I feel, basically they want a cheap, quick fix and if it doesn't happen, they would rather you walked away leaving them with half the cash anyway. How in blazes does it take over 2 months to sort a TV ??
I will update this review if anything ever happens. I fully expect I will be told the repairs will cost well over the £150 limit so I will have to pay more or go elsewhere. Once they have your money, they can't lose.
Comet are the worst retailer I have ever purchased from. I had insurance on a hoover that I needed to claim on. No one knew who I needed to talk to I had to phone about 8 times to then go onto store to to get it sent back. I received a phone call saying it was ready so I picked it up. It then blew up in my boyfriends face which could have potentially killed him. I went in the store and they said that the hoover hadn't been repaired and someone should have called me. A member of staff offered me a refund and £50 compensation. The manager then told me I couldn't have compensation as it was too serious. I phoned customer services they told me I couldn't have the compensation that the member of staff offered me as they do not give compensation for inconvenience which is what the manager had discussed with them too. I do not see how nearly killing my boyfriend is inconvenience. The manager had said one thing to me about the compensation and another to customer services and the member of staff completly denied offering it to me. I did not get the compensation offered as both of these members of staff lied. Rudest most unproffesional customer service I have ever received. Will not accept responsibility for not doing their jobs properly and are liars.
my delonghi oven broke down beginning of dec and looking online i was impressed by comets promise to visit and determine repair, fix and guarantee for 3 months all for £125. The initial call involved me paying up front for this service with appoinment given for the following week. Initial appoinment then cancelled on the day by engineer, with the promise that comet will call me back to re-arrange. Wrong!! i had to call them. actually a long story and extremely frustrating. I had to call Comet in total 9 times, i was promised daily that someone would call me back. This took to christmas eve and then i was told they had ordered the "correct part".. but where was the original part they ordered, who said it was the wrong part? No suitable response was given, someone would be in touch after christmas. They were not interested that i would have no oven over festive period. My plans for christmas totally ruined. Hogmanay dinner cancelled as still did not have an oven and no phone call. I was told to put in writing my complaint and any request for compensation. This was one load of nonsense .An engineer appeared at my home yesterday and i need another part!!! I received a call today apologising and advising me they did not offer compensation the only option was to cancel my order and they would give me a full refund. This i have done. I will see how long this takes to get back. all in all i would say that customer service from comet is absolutley appalling and the head office response to complaints is equally appalling. I will not be using them again for repairs.
Two months ago I purchased a washing machine from Comet which they came and fitted. It was installed in an utility room at the back of the garage that has been fully insulated. We have always left the door of the washing machine slightly ajar. Got up one morning last week to find that the utility room had been flooded. I reported the fault to Comet and they told me that it was my fault and that I should have never fitted in the garage and that is what the manufacturers manual says. Having read the manual it states that it should not be stored in an outdoor environment, even if sheltered, as it can be dangerous because of rain and thunderstorms. Nowhere does it make any reference to frost or cold. The fitters should have warned me of any potential problem.
After a number of discussions with Comet, who have been totally unhelpful, an engineer was sent. He turns up this morning and basically told me at the door he has been told not to fix it. I phoned Comet again and got through to a customer advisor and he tells that all electrical goods have temperatures that they operate within and that the utility room did not comply with these. When I told him that these so called temperatures are not in the manual. He tells me that I should know them. When I told him that I would expect these to be included in any contractual documentation he suddenly becomes an expert on contract law.
I have contacted trading standards and they have told me to write to Comet and if I hear nothing within a defined period to get back in contact with them and they will take the issue further.
The next time I require any electrical goods then I will not be going next or near Comet


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