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This coming from the guy who takes 8 plus hours to respond.GET A RED BELT OR DIE TRYIN'.
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Stupid sleep, I just can't kick the habit.
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Fucking junkie.GET A RED BELT OR DIE TRYIN'.
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In eight hours, I'll be awake, but you'll still be inked.
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8/18/2011 4:43pm, #206--GET A RED BELT OR DIE TRYIN'.
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The other Australians I e-know are clever, and skilled with the written word. What happened to you?
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today i went to the grocery store, and the cashier dude had a big tattoo on his elbow. i think it was a flower, but not sure. i am not sure because i didn't care that he had a tattoo, therefore i did not dwell on it even though it was quite noticeable :)
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OMG, you are so enlightened! I would have complained to his manager and gotten him fired just so I could post about it in this thread.


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With obesity now a pop-culture as well as a medical issue, Lbs. offers insight — as well as laughs and heartstring tugging — into the struggles of a food addict. Neil lives with his parents in Brooklyn, is pushing 30, and weighs more than 300 pounds. After suffering a heart attack while driving a school bus, he assures his loving family he'll diet and exercise.
On a "long walk," he heads for a pizzeria and chows down. Guilt-ridden, he drives upstate and moves into a trailer (with no TV!) in the woods; there, he takes up bike riding and makes friends with salad.
Actor Carmine Famiglietti, who wrote the movie with director Matthew Bonifacio, uses his body for a canvas as he confronts the stereotype of the jolly fat man. Although Lbs. is rooted in the Italian-American culture of mama's lasagna, its potent metaphor — that Neil has to divorce himself not only from junk food but also from the ubiquitous messages exhorting him to eat it — speaks to all ethnicities and sizes.
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#1 Mon 19 Nov 12 5:40pm
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When Minced Beef turns to Worms
Some times when the other half cooks 2 kgs of minced beef for either cottage pie or spag bog, the mince seems to congeal and turns to worms. On other occasions the cooked mince is fine.
Can you tell me what causes this, and how you cure the problem.
Regards Peter
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Re: When Minced Beef turns to Worms
welcome to the forum Peter
2kg of mince seems quite a lot to cook in one go.
Does she always buy the mince from the same place each time ?
Does she freeze it ?
My gut feeling on this is that sometimes as the mince gets cooked it might get stirred more than at other times or stirred earlier in the cooking process.
If it gets stirred more it would break up more.
But if the mince comes from different shops then it could just be due to how the mince has been ground , or the type of meat that is used in making the mince.
#3 Mon 19 Nov 12 8:09pm
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Re: When Minced Beef turns to Worms
Supermarket mince as far as i can remember looks worm length and shape. I used to break it up myself before cooking with a spatula. Now i have the chance to buy mince meat from a shop that knows what it should look like with less fat, otherwise i mince it myself.
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Dear Mummza & Kye
Thanks for your reply and imput.
Normally buys the minced beef at Waitrose (premium mince in packets - that does look wormy) or sometimes the local butcher.
She does freeze the mince once cooked and prepared with spag bog ingredients, or cottage pie. Minimum 2 / 3 hours slow heat.
Are you suggesting to stir the mince more during the cooking process, in order to break the mince down more.
Could it also be the supermarket cooling process from mincing to cooking that makes the mince compact and congeal.
Look forward to your replies.
Regards Peter
PS: No doubt I will get told off for interfering!!!
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Good to see you back Peter.
I read that it is typical of supermarkets in England to sell minced beef that are not minced as i am able to find myself, Waitrose was the 1st on the list of those supermarkets. When in England i met with the same problem, so i mince the meat with a spatula before cooking and continued while cooking to have the 'mince' that i am used to.
I really don't know what the supermarkets suppliers do with that mince.
As to interfering i would be interesting to read the contents of those packs when i buy sausages in England i search for the meat content in them and only buy when it is over 87%..but thats me.
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Re: When Minced Beef turns to Worms
Waitrose usually has pretty good meat , so, I would think just stir it a bit more to break it up if thats what you like . It could be that he meat on that day is just a bit drier textured than on some ther days.
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Fourth-floor apartment in an excellent position with respect to important buildings. Adequate space for two famiglie.Osvaldo is very helpful and willing to accommodate any requests.
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Amazing location! Beautiful view of the church and close to everything including restaurants and attractions. Unfortunately many things were broken in the apartment (bath fan, toilet button, three of the beds continually crashed to the floor, water had a sulfur odor that whenever used would smell the apartment, and the wireless was very unreliable). If you are going to be gone most of the day then it will be fine.
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But a lot of steps to go there.
However, we will have good memories there!
Good place in the center of Florence. Very convenient location. Host is very helpful with sites to see and anything you may need. Large apartment.
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House Of Cards Season 1, Episode 7 Recap: Of Vice And Pen
Contains spoilers -- do not read unless you've seen House Of Cards Season 1, Episode 7
The beginning of this House Of Cards episode is brilliant. We witness the set-up of the Oval Office for a political ceremony, cut with scenes from the set-up of an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting. Both are fundamentally the same: placing of chairs (in straight lines vs. a circle), refreshments (water vs. coffee), and the slow filtering in of attendees, both willing and non-willing. It's interesting to think of politics as a vice, or something you can't shake. Our Frank is an unabashed politics addict. (To quote Intervention: "Frank, your addiction has affected these people's lives negatively in the following ways...")
At the ceremony and throughout this episode, we're brought closer to the vice-president, Jim Matthews, a spineless, rather pathetic man who cares more about where he'll appear on camera than the actual issues at hand. It's funny watching Frank watching him, since we're fully aware of how much Frank is running things, and how inconsequential Jim is. Interesting, too, how close Frank is in position to the President in terms of camera marks. Little tape Xs never meant so much before, did they?
Frank gets a presidential pen, which seems to be the big prize at this ceremony despite all the over-the-top pageantry. (To compare, the gift given at AA meetings is life, a much more serious prize.) Jim doesn't get a pen, and he spends the episode whining about it like a little boy: "I didn't get my pen." As if there aren't more important things going on.
Speaking of which, Zoe and Frank haven't seen each other in three weeks (not sure what's going on there), Stamper receives a blackmailing letter from that hooker (Rachel) he bribed to keep quiet about Peter, and Claire has started up a project at CWI (the Delaware watershed bill) for Peter, at Frank's insistence. So Frank's (and Claire's, but who's counting) basement is reverted into a campaign center for Peter, as he prepares to run for Pennsylvania governor, replacing Jim, who vacated the seat to become VP.
Poor Peter has to go through the ringer as well. Let's not forget this man is just about the most sinful, vice-laden man of all time, and he's trying to enter big-game politics. Secrets become explosive if not handled carefully, so Frank enlists someone to quiz the living shit out of Peter about every single bad thing he's ever done. Hookers, drugs, sexually transmitted infections, the whole nine. Peter loses it and exasperatingly leaves the room, and Frank has to talk him down (yet again) and convince him to stay in the game. Of course, he acquiesces.
After this cleansing confessional, it's almost as if Peter achieves a higher clarity. After going AWOL post-AA meeting, people frantically try to find him. Frank cleverly enlists former girlfriend Christina to get Peter back in the fold and on track, so he hires her on as Peter's deputy campaign manager -- to give him "something he really cares about." Peter starts getting sponsors for the CWI project, he and Christina get back together (ill-advised, Peter, ill-advised!) and the campaign train starts moving -- figuratively, I mean.
The potential campaign ruiner, the hooker Rachel, is conveniently set up with housing by Stamper, who finds her a place to live in a friend's basement room. Of course, that friend works within the government, so it's only a matter of time before this blows up in everyone's faces -- Frank, Peter and Stamper. Not smart. If I were Stamper, I probably would have given her a ton of money to just get the hell out of Dodge. But that's just me.
Across town, our intrepid reporter Zoe is calling Frank non-stop and wondering why he hasn't contacted her (and for the record, we never get an explanation from Frank, except for the knowledge we have from last episode that Zoe is "work" to him). And, as usual, she only hears from him when he needs something. In this instance, he wants her to write a profile about Peter. Since her writing integrity is pretty much all she has at this point, she balks, and instead gets her former senior editor drunk and convinces her to write it. We know that Peter lies throughout the interview, since we've seen him answer the vice squad's questions before. The piece is fluff.
Perhaps as a reward (for himself), or perhaps to gather more intel, Frank ventures over to Zoe's apartment. He witnesses a former colleague of Zoe's try to kiss her in front of her place, and what's that look on Frank's face? Is it jealousy? Is it fear of losing his source? In any case, he shows up at her doorstep unannounced and cracks open a bottle of wine with his presidential pen. (It means so much to him, doesn't it?) In one of the series' weirder scenes, Zoe calls her father while Frank takes off her pants and starts performing oral sex. Uncomfortable and nasty, for all of us! Thanks, Netflix, for grossing us out! Truly awkward.
Poor Claire is left standing in front of the fridge to combat her oncoming menopause and hot flashes, and has taken up origami. Something is definitely simmering here, and it's only a matter of time before Claire snaps.
The closing shot of the episode is a spider in a cup, trying to work its way out (a nice bookend, if not a bit too on-point). Will it get out? My Spidey sense says yes, it will, and Frank will be the one getting bitten.
Best Frank Quote: "Generosity is its own form of power."
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Original UK Series: "Man About The House" The UK original lasted six seasons in the early-to-mid-'70s, but the US version produced more than four times as many episodes (172 in total) over its eight seasons on the air, mainly due to a hilarious cast led by the late John Ritter.
Original UK Series: "Strictly Come Dancing" Before there was Pam Anderson, Drew Lachey and Bristol Palin (just three of the U.S. version's "All Stars" for Season 15), there was the UK's "Strictly Come Dancing," which premiered in 2004 and immediately spawned international spin-offs in 32 other countries and counting.
Original UK Series: "Pop Idol" "American Idol" is a ratings juggernaut, and it's not showing many signs of slowing down. With a revolving panel of music icons as celebrity judges and a fanbase that not only votes each week for their favorite singers, but buys their music and follows the contestants on tour, this is the reality competition to beat in the ratings.
Original UK Series: "Changing Rooms" It's not easy to find designers who are personable, talented and able to deal with the demands of a microbudget, time-crunched renovation, but both of these shows managed to do that, which is why they were both long-running hits in their respective countries. On both shows, viewers got crash courses in how to remake a room for very little dough, and even if we ultimately preferred the mildly acerbic British designers, both shows were the best kind of how-to program: They made you actually think you might be able to accomplish something similar (if you got off your couch, that is).
Original UK series: "Prime Suspect" We know, we know, the Helen Mirren original is a classic character-driven cop drama and the NBC show never quite rose to the heights that the UK series did. Having said that, NBC's version of the cop show evolved into an enjoyably meaty, well-acted ensemble drama that made great use of its versatile, talented cast and a committed performance from star Maria Bello. We were all ready to doubt the US version of the show, but her Jane Timoney made believers of us during "Prime Suspect's" brief run on the Peacock network.
Original UK Series: "The Inbetweeners" Though time will tell if the MTV adaptation will be able to rival the cult appeal of the original, the first three episodes of the new comedy prove just as charming as the British show, albeit in distinctly American ways. British humor may be dry and acerbic, but the new cast has undeniable chemistry and comic timing, and it will be interesting to see where the show goes when it starts utilizing its original material, rather than the six episodes it based on the UK series.
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Bright and noisy Flashdrums draw attention to recruitment at airshow
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5,000 recruitments and over 4,000 interns in 2012
Farnborough 12 July 2012 – Visitors to the Farnborough International Airshow were taken by surprise on Thursday when over 400 volunteers from EADS and its Divisions – Airbus, Astrium, Cassidian and Eurocopter - appeared out of nowhere to perform a "flashdrum" and highlight the aerospace and defence group's career initiatives.
Wearing eye-catching bright fuschia T-shirts and banging drums, shaking tambourines or ringing bells, the participants drew the attention of those attending one of the world's largest airshows. After getting in tune, the musicians marched towards the static display and gathered around the Airbus flagship A380 aircraft.
A recruitment-focused event is fast becoming a tradition for the EADS Group following a similar event organised by Airbus at Le Bourget in 2011.
Thierry Baril, Chief Human Resources Officer EADS & Airbus said: "We hope this musical interlude captures our spirit and will encourage students and experienced professionals to explore career opportunities within the four divisions of EADS. This performance demonstrates how employees' engagement and their diversity can create a unique tune out of many talented individuals."
This year EADS is planning to make 5,000 recruitments and welcome 4,000 interns. Airbus alone plans to hire 4000 people, the other divisions altogether a number of 1000. A series of forums and workshops at Farnborough Airshow are giving job seekers a wide range of opportunities to discuss their future career paths with HR professionals, engineers and business experts.
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Savane - News: Release 2.0: interface heavy improvements, bugfixes and cosmetics
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Release 2.0: interface heavy improvements, bugfixes and cosmetics
Item posted by Mathieu Roy <yeupou> on Tue Oct 3 08:06:29 2006.
Here comes a new Savane release. This release brings many interface improvements. Most notably, the top menu now use dropdown submenus, which allow users to jump from any page to another with a single click. Note also that the "display criteria" boxes are minimized by default, to give more room to the results.
I'd like to thanks anyone involved in this release, most notably Tobias Toedter, Yves Perrin (CERN, PH SFT), Armando L. Caro Jr. (BBN Technologies) and Sylvain Beucler. I'd like to also thanks translators Daniel Nylander, Ajuntament Santa Coloma de Gramenet and Matteo Settenvini; this release is completely translated in Catalan, German, French, Italian and Swedish.
The release tracking has been made with the task #2862.
Obtaining it:
- The GPG-signed tarball is available at <http://download.gna.org/savane/>
- You can use apt-get with Debian, adding "deb http://dl.gna.org/savane/debian/ stable/" (without quotes) in your /etc/apt/sources.list
Upgrading a running installation:
If you are running Savane 1.4, you should run sql and perl scripts included in savane/update/2.0, as described in savane/update/README (or shipped with the debian package savane-update).
These scripts will handle the trivial changes on the database needed. They are supposedly safe but you should, indeed, do a backup of your database first, just in case (using mysqldump, for instance).
If you are running an older version than 1.4, you should run the scripts in savane/update for each release you missed.
Also, you need to update your configuration following these instructions:
------ configuration update instructions ------
- First you must re-run sv_update_conf, with -r option.
You must regenerate a conffile in all cases, as the configuration file name and the default location changed. Now, the default is /etc/savane/savane.conf.pl instead of deprecated
(Note: after regenerating the conffile, verify that your apache daemon has the right to execute /etc/savane/.savane.conf.php)
*You must update your apache configuration to follow the conffile location change, if you use the default location. You should then have like:
SetEnv SAVANE_CONF /etc/savane
(Note: in this case, you may even comment this SetEnv SAVANE_CONF, as the system will fallback on /etc/savane if missing)
- You must update your apache configuration to add, just after the similar configuration bits regarding "Files projects" and "Files users":
<Files file>
ForceType application/x-httpd-php
This is mandatory, file download will no longer work if you do
not do it.
------------ end ------------
Also, you need to update your site specific content:
------ site specific content update instructions ------
- Take a look at the new file forbidden_mail_domains.txt (if
this file is missing from you site specific content, account creation may fail, it is very important)
- Remove the default sentences of my/items.txt, my/groups.txt, account/index_intro.txt, they moved into the interface.
- people/editprofile.txt deleted.
- people/editresume.txt added, empty by default.
------ end ------
Installing it from scratch:
Just follow INSTALL.verbose. You will probably want to take a look at more completes guides available at <http://download.gna.org/savane-doc/>
If you encounter undocumented troubles, please fill a support request at <https://gna.org/support/?group=savane>
Release Complete ChangeLog:
- Added forbidden_mail_domains.txt that allows to forbid users to
associate users account with emails from arbitrarily defined domains
(used at project registration and during email change, task #2917).
- my/items.txt, my/groups.txt, account/index_intro.txt:
default text moved to the interface.
It is standard text that should not be changed. But additional text
can still be added.
- people/editprofile.txt deleted.
- people/editresume.txt added, empty by default.
- You must re-run sv_update_conf to regenerate a conffile in all
cases, as the configuration file name and the default location
changed. Now, the default is /etc/savane/savane.conf.pl instead
of deprecated /etc/savannah/savannah.conf.pl (task #3020).
- You must update your apache configuration to follow the
conffile location change, if you use the default location.
You should then have like:
SetEnv SAVANE_CONF /etc/savane
If you do not use the default location but a custom one (something
different than /etc/savannah and /etc/savane), there is nothing to
change (task #3020).
- You must update your apache configuration to add:
<Files file>
ForceType application/x-httpd-php
just after the similar configuration bits regarding "Files projects"
and "Files users" (task #2888).
- Code cleanups, interface cosmetics.
- Water theme rewritten from scratch.
- New field in group_type.php: mailing list virtual host
- Fixed list name verification against existing user names
- Support British locale (with d/m/y date format)
- Fix typo (bug #5975).
- Now feedback can be removed from the page by clicking on it, without
reloading the page (bug #5202).
- Feedback fixed-positionning is optional, users can select
relative positionning, loosing the ability to always have the
feedback accessible in one click without scrolling up and down.
Some users apparently have browsers that slow down when there is
such fixed box on their page (even if fixed positionning is not
something especially unusual).
- Now boxoptions (like 'display criteria' are shown minimized by
default and are maximized by a simple click on (+) (task #2919).
- Does feedback transparency only using the standard CSS3 'opacity',
no longer relying on non-standard browser specific things (Gecko
now supports opacity).
- Shortcut links for items are now provided. You can for instance
type domain.org/task/?564 to get to task #564 (task #2804).
- Now, when downloading a file attached to an item, users are
redirected to a meta-directory that make their web browser think they
are actually opening a real file named as the attached file was named
before being inserted into the database.
For instance, if you attach a file name "myfile.txt", from now on,
the final url where you will download it will be
Whatever web browser you are using, he will surely propose you
"myfile.txt" as filename, while with the previous
domain/tracker/download.php?file_if=nnn many web browser would
propose you "download.php" (task #2888).
- KDE nuvola icon theme now used for emeraud and gna themes.
- Anonymous users have no longer any access to users email address
(task #2938).
- Users now can delete their account - this process cannot be undone
(task #2208).
- Fix a bug allowing by mistake users to associate more than one
account to an email address (bug #5314).
- When adding a dependency to an item, the parameters of the last
search (restrict search to tracker or project) are now remembered
in the result page (bug #5341).
- Fix a bug causing mail added in originator email field to be
missing in CC list (bug #5309).
- It is now possible to keep only one session opened at a time,
useful for that open many sessions on many computers without
closing them properly and not wanting these sessions to be kept
- Fix a bug causing the logout page to destroy only an half of
the session information (which is enough to destroy the session
but unclean).
- It is now possible to kill all sessions apart from the current
one (bug #5258).
- Every <font>, <b>, and <i> HTML tag has been replaced by an
appropriate <span>, <strong>, or <em> tag. Moreover, there has
been some effort to make Savane even more compliant with
XHTML output (task #2882).
- Order mailing-list by alphabetical order, more logical than
list creation chronological order (bug #5379).
- Fix a bug causing the recipes "Last Update" info to be
sometimes erroneous (bug #5396).
- Allow capitalization of theme names. It changes only the CSS file
name and what is printer in "My Admin", nothing else (task #3015).
- Now the top menu is a drop down menu (task #3021). There is
however an menu in the old fashion available as option, for people
using browser impossible to support properly for this (like
konqueror < 3.1, etc). This option can be set in My Account Conf
(task #3719).
- Savane is now fully translated to Swedish. Many thanks to
Daniel Nylander for his work!
- Korean translation has been removed because it not maintained
(only 37 translated messages remained).
- Fixed a bug in item digest causing the announced latest comment to
be actually the first one.
- Mention who is the author of the latest comment shown in digest.
- Now "originator email" text field is moved in item reassignment.
- Fix a bug that occasionally caused a global notification to be
- Warn of MSIE related layout problem, recommends to use another
browser in case of issues - 3 more MSIE specifics hacks were
necessary for this release. As these hacks force Savane to
make non-standard usage of CSS, results would be highly unpredictable
to any web browser that interpret CSS correctly (bug #6904).
- Remove "$InstallationName: " from the site-scope pages, useless
as it is always mentioned at the end of the title between [ ] *
(bug #6884).
- Remove full description of the error from the pages titles
when exiting on error: this is too noisy and does not really
matters, as people wont bookmarks such links.
It is cleaner not to put invite them to read the feedback
(bug #6919).
- Statistics bars now have fixed line height (bug #6907).
- Fixed a bug causing sometimes the mailing-list names to be
enforced in a way different that the one configured for the group
type (%PROJECT- was added while it was not configured that way)
(bug #6962).
- It is now possible to ask for mailing list admin password to
be reset (task #3661).
- Logged-in users are redirected to /my when accessing pages
like account/register which has no purpose for a logged in user
(bug #6972).
- Fix a bug making impossible to project admins to configure
their Arch or SVN viewcvs link (bug #5774).
- Fix a bug causing the page Set Active Feature to show outdated
info after update (was fixed in the past, the bugfix no longer
works for an unknown reason).
- Closed items because they were reassigned to another tracker
are now marked as such in a very clear way: item title, original
submission and comments (bug #4446).
- Propose sensible default for rank on output values when creating
query forms (bug #2867).
- Do not mention in feedback the internal automatic transition for
the system 'closed on' field happening when an automatic transition
close an item (bug #7004).
- Fix a bug causing severals words included in a CC list, as one
CC, to be concatened in a single word. It is cleaner, however, it
does not change the fact that if someone put "thisguy thislogin" as
CC, no one will get notified as it not a valid address. For this
to work, "thisguy <thislogin>" should be entered instead
(bug #6889).
- Now the system does plenty of checks to make sure the same
notification is not sent twice. Now, for instance, he will be
able not to add twice in To: an email that shows up because it was
in CC in full text + referred as a username of the submitter
(bug #7034).
- Warns in item pages if CC addresses look suspicious (bug #7036).
- Reminds exactly where was an anonymous and bring him back after
login even if had posted an item - on POST, variables where missing
from the URI and the redirection was leading to "No Group Missing
Parameters" error (bug #6984).
- Print a warning, when printing twice a form because of a forgotten
mandatory field, mentioning that uploaded file must be one more time
added - this is limitation of HTML, we cannot prefill these input
like we do for any other inputs (bug #7007).
- Fix a bug causing an item update to be sent if someone was clicking
one more time on "Submit Changes & Return to this Item" (button only
shown if you have privileges on the tracker) after closing the item
(bug #7113).
- In the menu, if there are external docs (extra link), consider them
prior to the cookbook: if the users use two doc tool (allowed to do
this by the site admin via Group Type settings), there is no reason
to consider the external less important than the Savane one, at the
contrary, we can assume that they made the choice to use another one
for good reasons and we do not have to enforce anything at this
- Now recipes that are for everybody are grouped when browsing
the Cookbook (task #2658).
- Browse item pages no longer allows to more than 150 items
to be showned at once, unless in printer version or while
doing digest (bug #7134).
- Add default recipes when the local admin group is created
(usually when installing Savane, bug #7136).
- Attached files size limit is now configurable, still at 512 kB by
default. (bug #5693).
Note: for higher values, MySQL and PHP default setup will probably
not work.
- Use the noreply address as originator for news item (this change
may be discussed).
- Items are now mixed in dependancies list. It means that now
only the chronological order count, there is no longer first the
bugs, then the tasks etc (task #3736).
- My Incoming Items & My Items pages optimized (should load faster).
Unfortunately, My Incoming Items no longer list old items recently
assigned but only recent items: this was too heavy (bug #7200).
- Hide Homepage links if pointing to nowhere.
- Fix bug causing the message of the user requesting inclusion
to be missing from the mail sent (bug #5692).
- Fix a bug causing access to private list archives to be denied
when the latest slash is missing in the url (bug #2228).
- sv_mailman can send virtual host information to Mailman.
- sv_mailman can now reconfigure and delete lists (bug #5389,
task #366).
- Note that you need to call it with --keep-archives
if you want it not to ask mailman to remove its archives.
- Note also that the list will be removed from both the system
and the database.
- Finally, note that password changes requires Mailman
version >= 2.1.x
- Locking is now performed via flock(2) instead of touch(1).
- Locks will all go into /var/lock/savane (bug #6880).
- sv_mailman_and_mailarchivedotcom added, a script that register
public mailing list to mail-archive.com.
- Rely on Date::Calc instead of GNU date -d option, more portable
(bug #5390).
- sv_update_conf now warn if a setting is mandatory and refuse to
proceed further if the user does not enter a setting. Output has
been polished.
- sv_update_conf now checks if filesystem path are valid (bug #6927).
- Fix a bug causing sv_gpgcheckfiles to sometimes dies prematurely
(bug #6878).
- sv_gpgcheckfiles now refers to the Cookbook, and no longer to the
dead-and-buried FAQ.
- sv_gpgcheckfiles cache now avoids possible flaws of md5 collisions
(bug #4421);
- Fix a bug in history content of XML exports.
- Added dependancies in XML exports.
- Fix a bug causing --big-cleanup option of sv_cleaner to fails in
some cases (bug #5489).
- sv_mailman_checkqueue as been removed, as it is not compatible
with Mailman =< 2.1.x which is now required by Savane (bug #2858).
- sv_extra_export/sv_export_import removed (now longer updated,
probably broken).
- sv_extra_merge_projects added, a tool to merge several projects
into one (task #3785).
- Add GetDBHash that returns a clean hash. Useful to grab data
which may contain ',', in which case GetDB should not be used.
* Now depends also on Text::Wrap
- Add mailing_list_virtual_host field in group_type
- Remove buggy (old leftover) "Revision Tag" field from patch
field database (bug #7154)
That's all, folks!
|About the script sv_extra_merge_projects (posted by Mathieu Roy, Tue Oct 3 14:00:49 2006)
If you need this script, you'd better get a copy of the version in the trunk. This script is still at a very experimental stage.
|About dropdown submenus (posted by Mathieu Roy, Tue Oct 3 11:20:51 2006)
If these submenus do not work for your browser (stone age konqueror version, like 3.0.0, from 2002, will not be able to make it work), you have to activate the Stone Age Menu, in My Account Conf, a menu that behaves more or less like the older one.


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Counsels from My Heart is one of the few volumes of teachings by Dudjom Rinpoche, a legendary meditation master of the Nyingma lineage of Tibetan Buddhism, to become available in English. It features talks to students presented in Dudjom Rinpoche's characteristically incisive and direct style, bringing the timeless heart-counsels of this great teacher vividly to life.
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Getting there
With most overland routes into India (except from Nepal) effectively blocked by closed or trouble-prone borders, the only practicable way of getting to India is by plane. There are numerous nonstop services from the UK, plus a few from North America and one from Australia. Most of these arrive at either Delhi or Mumbai, although there are also nonstop flights from the UK into Kolkata, Chennai and Bengaluru.
Fares worldwide always depend on the season, with the highest being roughly from November to March, when the weather in India is best; fares drop during the shoulder seasons – April to May and August to early October – and you'll get the best prices during the low season, June and July. The most expensive fares of all are those coinciding with Diwali in October/November, when demand peaks as Indian emigrants travel home for holidays with their families.
For Goa or Kerala, you may find it cheaper to pick up a bargain package deal from a tour operator. Indian law prohibits the sale of flight-only tickets by charter companies, but operators sometimes get around this by tacking budget "bunk-house" accommodation to their tickets, which (if it exists at all) travellers ditch on arrival. Note also that the Indian government places a restriction of 28 days on the period of time a charter ticket can cover. If you wish to stay in the country for longer than that, you technically have to take a scheduled flight. Nor is it possible to fly in on a charter and out on a scheduled flight, or vice versa.
Lots of operators run package holidays to India, covering activities ranging from trekking and wildlife-watching through to general sightseeing or just lying on the beach, not to mention more specialist-interest tours focusing on anything from steam locomotives to food. In addition, many companies can also arrange tailor-made tours where you plan your own itinerary. Specialist trips such as trekking and tailor-made tours do not necessarily work out a lot more expensive than organizing everything independently, especially if you want a degree of comfort. Tour operators pay a lot less for better-class hotels and flights than you would, plus they save you time and hassle by knowing the best hotels, routes and sights to feature. On the other hand, a typical package tour can rather isolate you from the country, shutting you off in air-conditioned hotels and cars.
Flights from the UK and Ireland
It takes between eight and eleven hours to fly from the UK direct to India. A number of carriers fly nonstop from London Heathrow to Delhi and Mumbai; these currently include Air India (w airindia.com), Jet Airways (w jetairways.com), Virgin Atlantic (w virgin-atlantic.com) and British Airways (w ba.com), who also fly nonstop to Kolkata, Chennai and Bengaluru. Numerous other European and Middle Eastern carriers offer one-stop services via their home city in Europe or the Gulf. From elsewhere in the UK and Ireland you'll have to take an indirect flight, changing planes at either Heathrow or somewhere else in Europe, the Middle East or Asia. Both scheduled fares and flight-only charters usually start from around £500.
Flights from the US and Canada
India is on the other side of the planet from the US and Canada. If you live on the east coast it's quicker to travel via Europe, while from the west coast it's roughly the same distance (and price) whether you travel via Europe or the Pacific. There are currently nonstop flights from New York to Delhi and Mumbai on Air India and Continental (w continental.com), to Mumbai on Delta (w delta.com) and from Chicago to Delhi on American Airlines (w aa.com). Otherwise, you'll probably stop over somewhere in Europe (most often London), the Gulf, or both. Nonstop flights take around 15–16 hours, with fares from New York to Mumbai/Delhi starting at around US$1250. There are currently no nonstop flights from the west coast; count on a minimum 22 hours' travel time. Fares start at around US$1500.
There are also no nonstop flights from Canada to India – you'll have to travel via a connecting city in the US, Europe or Asia with a minimum travel time of around 20 hours. Fares start at around Can$1100 from Toronto and Can$1200 from Vancouver.
Flights from Australia and New Zealand
The only nonstop flight to India from either Australia or New Zealand at present is Qantas's (w qantas.com.au) service from Sydney to Mumbai (with a flying time of around 13hr); otherwise, you'll have to make at least one change of plane in a southeast Asian hub city (usually Kuala Lumpur, Singapore or Bangkok). Fares start from around Aus$1700. Flying from New Zealand, the cheapest fares to India start at around NZ$2000 from Auckland; add on approximately NZ$200 for flights from Wellington or Christchurch.
Round-the-world tickets
If India is only one stop on a longer journey, you might want to consider buying a Round-the-World (RTW) ticket. Some travel agents can sell you an "off-the-shelf" RTW ticket that will have you touching down in about half a dozen cities (Delhi and Mumbai feature on many itineraries); others will have to assemble one for you, which can be tailored to your needs but is apt to be more expensive. Prices start around £1700/US$2700 for a RTW ticket including India, valid for one year.
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|I've read a horizontal axis washer will pay for itself in three years. If true, I'm sure a certain number of loads per week is assumed. Are the savings really that great? I'm considering replacing my Kenmore combo unit with a Duet pair (see Gas vs Electric post) mainly due to the savings I keep reading about. We are a family of four and I do about 10-12 small to medium loads per week. I quit running large loads due to the long dry times.
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|Sounds like s good plan, have been reading about the savings in water and soap, the Duet is a fine choice also, your Kenmore combo would probabably have been made by Frigidaire. Gas used to be the choice for savings because gas used to cost so much less than electricity, but I do not know how this will pan out now with natural gas going up 70-90 %, here at least. But so is electricity going up, 24% here and that is on top of three increases just this year. You might want to ask some questions in your area to see what the people in the know say. Whichever you decide the most important thing to remember is the dryer vent has to be clear, short and clear. And you must use HE detergent in the washer, no more than is recomended....too much soap or the wrong kind will cause all sorts of problems in the washer, blocked venting will cause poor performance in the dryer. I think you will be pleased with the Duet or LG.
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|my question would be where is the test / study on the comparison?
and who did it-
I bet the FL use less water but whats the payback?
water here is $40 for 5500 gallons- thats a slow pay back
reduced drying time is also claimed - who has tested that/ other than the manufacturer?
|Posted: Sat Nov 12th, 2005 04:06 pm
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Samurai Appliance Repair Man
Fermented Grand Master of Appliantology
|Personally, I think it's unconscionable to waste water if it's within your reasonable ability to use less, regardless of the cost of water in your area. Many municipalities charge far below market rates for water and this encourages waste which creates greater treatment plant burdens and, ultimately lower water quality and availability for everyone.
Using 56 gallons of water per wash in a top loader vs. 12 gallons of water per wash in a front loader is, in and of itself, compelling enough reason to use only a front loader. People who know this and have it within their economic means to buy a front loader but don't are exactly the type of useless eaters that need to be kicked out of gene pool.
As it turns out, that is only one of many advantages of front loaders. Front loaders use much less electricity, because of much greater mechanical efficiency-- transmissions, like those found in top loaders, are stupidly inefficient mechanisms that are prone to mechanical problems and waste electricity by requiring a bigger motor to do less work.
I could go on about using less detergent, clothes lasting longer, yada-yada, but I think you get the picture.
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|Posted: Sun Nov 13th, 2005 02:46 pm
|5th Post
|Nobody seems to make a consumer grade FL that holds up, though. Also, consumers have been conditioned to expect silly, touchpad electronics that cleary don't last in a washing machine environment. In a machine that has several hundred parts, it shouldn't cost the value of the entire machine to replace just one of it's parts. All at once, it seems, appliance companies have conspired to lower quality, increase repair costs and shorten warranties in an effort to rope the consumer into buying a new machine every 5 years.
There are some vintage, high quality TL machines that are in their 3rd decade of service. They use more water, but they also don't find themselves in the landfill after 5 years. I'd say the environmental impact evens itself out.
|Posted: Sun Nov 13th, 2005 03:12 pm
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Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology
|Guidelines from the government dictate that a Manufacturing company must provide a certain % of models that meet the Energy Star Rating. Doesn't mean they have to wash well, last or look pretty. Just that they meet the rating. The only way to meet the rating is to have a ELC board to regulate water temps (guideline, not an option) . Tstats and 60/40 or 70/30 Cold to Hot Gallons ratio's do not cut it anymore. Consumer usage has the biggest negative effect on the usage of Front Loaders. The I shouldn't have to use powdered detergent. or I shouldn't have to clean the filter in the front, I spent $800 for this machine is rampant out there. As a tech, I just shake my head and move on. These same people usually have no qualms about using hi octane fuel (The book says so) or the recommended leather cleaner, my salesman said I have to. But point out something like that in the use and care of an appliance and they do not want to adhere or even read it most of the time.
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|Posted: Sun Nov 13th, 2005 03:36 pm
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|I'm an environmentalist and I believe in efficient appliances, but I think the energy savings argument is sort of a scam. It impacts the environment simply to replace old appliances with new, more efficient ones.
Factory workers have to drive their smelly cars to factories to build the new appliances. Raw materials for the new appliances have to be produced. Diesel-fueled trucks have to transport the appliances to the retail stores. A delivery van burns fossil fuel to deliver the new appliance to the house. The old appliance needs to be disposed of. Environmentally, I believe we lose ground by upgrading old appliances.
Honestly, a good old 70%-30% mixing valve would be an environmenatl improvement.
|Posted: Sun Nov 13th, 2005 04:09 pm
|8th Post
Trying to help
Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology
|Not arguing any of your points. Just pointing out that if the Major manufacturers could still produce the older design units they probably would.. to some extent. I am just pointing out that a lot of the negative publicity the Front loaders get is from the consumers unwillingness to change the way they have washed for years. I have one of the front loaders with the worst public image out there and it is perfect. No odors, no mold. My brothers is one of the best rated. Smells like old sox. and no matter what I tell him, he will continue to use the liquid detergent, full cup (its easier). He tells me he has a lemon because it smells and has had to replace two pumps. (I did one visiting, more change in it then you need to cross the George Washington bridge) but his machine is a lemon. Tell someone they have to change oil every 3000 miles and treat there imported leather seats with sweat from a camel on there new 50k car, no problem. Tell them to clean the "Gack" (professional term used in the industry) in the front filter brushes on there front loader they caused by using 4 times the amount of soap they should use and didn't empty little Jimmy's pockets of his snot tissues and they go on a tirade about how they will not accept having to do this after every other load or so, they just spent 800 dollars on this unit and it's not fair. Can you do any better on the bill, no, OK, can you brake this 100, oh yea, next time you come to my home, can you please use the service entrance and don't park so close to my lexus........all this said, I still have my vintage LAT top loader washer and dryer set in the garage with a tarp on them. It is my version of a 56 Chevy or an old Harley. 1/4 horse motor, straight 50/50 valve and an extra rinse to top it off. Might not ever use it again, but I wont throw it out either.
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|Posted: Sun Nov 13th, 2005 04:38 pm
|9th Post
|I hear you. You bring up good points, too. I'm not in the repair biz, so I'm not qualified to speak about that side of it.
It seems that some of the FL's are just poorly designed. There's no excuse for circuit board failure at 1 to 2 years old. If the manufactures TRUELY believed in their designs, they would offer a no-cost 10 year parts and labor warranty. (We all know that they would go broke if they did offer long term warranties). The older TL designs were a little more abuse proof than the FL's. If you overloaded or over-suds'd a TL, it was no big deal. It seems that oversudsing a FL can be fatal. If I understand it, this is sort of due to cheap tub bearings and the like. Granted, the consumer shouldn't oversuds, but the machines shouldn't be so cheaply designed, either. It'll be a while before I buy a FL. Many folks got sucked into the hype of these things before there was a proven design consumer model available.
|Posted: Sun Nov 13th, 2005 05:27 pm
|10th Post
Trying to help
Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology
|The over-sudsing really produces mold and smells more then bearing problems. The undissolved detergent does build up in the pumps and damages impellers though. As far as buying one, I have used this comparison in homes and on this site. You never buy a first year car. To many unknowns. The same with new design appliances. The look so great an innovative, but they are unproven. I currently own the dreaded Neptune units everyone talks about. Would I have bought one 7 years ago when they first came out. NOPE. But now the design on the new 5500.6500 and 7500 have addressed all the original problems and I own one. The new 9700 design is completely different and in its first year. I'll give it a few more years prior to possibly selling my old set to upgrade. It might be the best thing since sliced bread, and it sure looks good. But I will wait to find out!!
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|Posted: Sun Nov 13th, 2005 08:06 pm
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|Posted: Sun Nov 13th, 2005 09:29 pm
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Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology
|Wain, why not do a Google search and perhaps you can find this information???
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|Posted: Mon Nov 14th, 2005 01:27 am
|13th Post
Samurai Appliance Repair Man
Fermented Grand Master of Appliantology
|Trying to help wrote:
Tell someone they have to change oil every 3000 miles and treat there imported leather seats with sweat from a camel on there new 50k car, no problem. Tell them to clean the "Gack" (professional term used in the industry) in the front filter brushes on there front loader they caused by using 4 times the amount of soap they should use and didn't empty little Jimmy's pockets of his snot tissues and they go on a tirade about how they will not accept having to do this after every other load or so, they just spent 800 dollars on this unit and it's not fair. Can you do any better on the bill, no, OK, can you brake this 100, oh yea, next time you come to my home, can you please use the service entrance and don't park so close to my lexus........
LMAO! You nailed it, TTH! I'm dyin' ovah here!
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|Posted: Mon Nov 14th, 2005 05:20 am
|14th Post
Senior Apprentice Appliantologist
|Glad to see all the posts. I took a close look at a Duet pair today and it seems it would be a pain to add detergent, bleach, etc if they are stacked. Stacked is how I would prefer to configure them, but it is not a show stopper if I can't. After more research into this model, I'm also a little concerned with all the electronics, notwithstanding the fact that many folks believe them to be very good units. I took another look at the Staber web site, and I think when it comes time to replace my combo unit, I'm going to get the Staber and a Whirlpool dryer.
On the issue of horizontal axis savings... There seems to be a general agreement that they do save money, but how much? The Staber site says a family of three doing 8 loads a week will save about $300 annually. I found a few links about this...
It seems the $300/year savings is a bit exagerated, but the above links don't take into account savings from detergent either. I guesstimate I'm spending $120/year in detergent costs, so realistically I might expect to save about $150/year in total.
There is also the savings from decreased maintenance that would presumable come with buying a Staber (or Duet).
Love the site. It's good to have this place to come to for appliance questions.
|Posted: Mon Nov 14th, 2005 10:08 am
|15th Post
Budget Appliance Repair
Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology
|gary wrote:
I took a close look at a Duet pair today and it seems it would be a pain to add detergent, bleach, etc if they are stacked. Stacked is how I would prefer to configure them, but it is not a show stopper if I can't.
A pain to add detergent and stuff??? Why?? If you stack a Duet pair, (can they be stacked? Maybe, but I haven't seen a duet pair stacked yet), the washer could only be on the bottom. So, no more difficult to add detergent/bleach/etc. then if it weren't stacked.
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|Posted: Mon Nov 14th, 2005 03:27 pm
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Senior Apprentice Appliantologist
|Budget Appliance Repair wrote:
gary wrote:
Since you haven't seen a pair stacked I can understand why you don't see a problem. The issue is the dryer overhangs the washer by an amount that would make it a PITA to add bleach, and to a lesser extent soap. While they can be stacked, I don't think the manufacturer really intends them to be operated this way. The drawer where supplies are added is proof IMO.
|Posted: Tue Nov 15th, 2005 04:37 am
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Crouching Tiger
|If you are going to invest the money in a fl machine then consider a Miele. They have been making computer controlled washers for almost 30 years. They are far more superior than any North American or Asian maker. I have seen many of these units that are 20 years old and still going strong. The average price for a set is about $3000 Canadian, well worth the money.
|Posted: Tue Nov 15th, 2005 05:32 am
|18th Post
Master Appliantologist
|I have one of those dreaded Neptune washers as well. The reason I have it is our store refuses to sell them knowing the vast problems they have and the expenses involved in repairing them. So, why do I keep it? Well, it does use less water, my electric bill has gone down, my soap usage has gone down, my drying times have gone down (except the pesky maytag dryer that sometimes decides to keep running) and as stated, well it looks pretty dang neat. Of course every neptune that comes thru I test out, and strip all the good parts off for spares to put in a box at home Would I recomend any common manufacturer mashine that is highly computerized? Well, that I always inform the consumer that only they can make the descision. I can only tell them of the advantages and disadvantages of each machine. For example, we get alot of the profile GE washers thru our store, and I always warn the consumer, "if you are going to abuse the machine don't buy this one, but if you take care of your machines and don't overwork them then it should last a respectable time"
|Posted: Wed Nov 16th, 2005 03:43 pm
|19th Post
Senior Apprentice Appliantologist
|There are lots of good points being made here. I'll speak as a current front-loader owner. I've got the LG WM1812CW and its matching dryer. They are stacked at present, although we're considering unstacking them, simply to arrange our laundry room differently. (The LG dryer does not overhang the washer at all. There is full access to the detergent drawer.) I have a family of five, including three young kids. We make a lot of laundry here, doing 1-2 loads per day.
Energy savings and water use:
I agree with the Samurai that, assuming you're buying a washer anyway (or your existing one is quite old), it's really unconscionable to buy a unit that uses more water than it needs to. As he said, water is often sold at less than cost. On top of that, more water use means more infrastructure requirements from your municipality or municipal utility district (or your own well/septic). More water also means more detergent, in order to maintain sufficient concentrations of the cleaning ingredients. All that detergent is discharged in the wastewater.
Front loaders also extract noticeably more water from clothes on the spin cycle. This allows shorter drying times (less electricity and gas usage) in the dryer, or, even better, on a clothesline or drying rack. We dry the majority of our clothes on a drying rack. Even in a humid climate like Houston (where I live), a full washer load dries in six hours inside the house. My electric bill is certainly the better for doing it.
Durability of all new appliances is in decline. Samurai has documented this elsewhere on his site. The washer that costs $800 sure sounds like it costs a lot, but it's not much different than paying $400 or $500 a decade ago, in constant dollars. To really compare a top-loader to a front-loader in terms of durability, you should compare machines of recent vintage.
Wear on clothes:
No one really talks about this. Having used a front-loader for 6 years now (first in Germany, then upon my return to the States), I can attest that the front-loader is gentler on clothes, and cleans them better, than any top-loader I've ever used. This means replacing fewer clothes due to pilling, abrasion, and all-around wear. I have hand-me-down play clothes for the kids that are now going on the third or fourth go-round, and they look awesome. I'm an Orthodox priest, and I'm willing to wash my cassocks in my front-loader, knowing that they will be washed VERY gently, while still coming out clean. This saves quite a bit of money compared to taking them to the cleaners, or having to hassle with washing them by hand.
This thread is about FLs in general. However, I'm very happy with the LG pair I have so far. An under-reviewed aspect of this equation is the dryer. I must say that this LG dryer is simply awesome. Its capacity is huge, and it dries an entire load of towels in 40-45 minutes. I was told by the salesman that LG designed their dryer to have drying times to match or beat the washing time, so that the process doesn't get held up by a slow dryer. That's not a big concern for us, but the dryer is still the nicest one I've ever owned.
Overall, I wouldn't change out a recent vintage top-loader for a front-loader, unless I did a LOT of laundry. But if I'm in the market for a machine, there's no doubt in my mind that the front-loader is the way to go unless you simply can't use one (e.g. frame house or whatever). I was a skeptic before I went to Germany six years ago, but I'm certainly convinced now.
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|Posted: Wed Nov 16th, 2005 04:32 pm
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Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology
|Dear Fellow Texan in Huston, thanks for the information you posted about the LG washer and dryer. We do warranty service for LG and think they are fine products, your post will help others when they are deciding on which brand to buy....
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I just got a new cream wool blanket. I am going to use it for applique after I felt it a bit and for rug hooking.
I also got a brand new brown suede zippered vest that fits great. I love thrift stores.
OMG! I guess I'd better start frequenting Salvation Army and Goodwill! I've never seen a sewing machine there, but may be I'm not in there often enough, and ours is right next door to a Michaels Crafts (oh yarn and odds and ends), and the Goodwill backs up to my daughters favorite sports retailer (Big 5 for soccer stuff). To think I've paid full price for all of my rulers, mats and other 'essentials' ! Wow! Thanks, ladies, this is a great idea! I do use the wicker style baskets from the dollar store, but it never occurred to me that you could find quilting stuff at the thrift store!
I never find anything useful, but I think I don't go often enuf! And I'm always looking for older machines...someday
I have a funny story for you all!
I live in a very small town and we have a great thrift shop run by our Anglican Church. At one time, in the 90's I had them save me silk dress shrits to do a paper peiced wall quilt I wanted to do. (Sadly a ufo, my bad)
So a few years back I was sending some sewing and quilting stuff their way. My yearly summmer got to clear some of this stuff out.
Later on that fall I dropped in to have a look around, and one of our ladies was so happy to see me, they had saved a box of stuff for me!
Yep you guessed it, all my stuff save for me! We had a good laugh!
I love going to the thrift stores.
Oh a subject I love....more like obsessed. I love to re-purpose stuff. My whole sewing rm is just about all thrift/yard sales, after all its a hobby so my intention when I moved my ladies cave from a small bedrm to the once never used formal living rm I needed to be creative, its changed a few times over the last couple years but I think I got it now-lol well until I find something I just can't live with out-lol
Not a great pic, grainy phone pic-sorry. I was going to show more but its not letting me. The red hutch was a curbside find, the long buffet cabinet was 8.00 Goodwill, the sewing table was a old ugly one my MIL had, painted blk to match, the wicker shelves-hmm I have been hauling those around for so long I don't remember, they have been repainted so many times...Spray Paint is my love. Love my thrift store finds....1904 singer 40.00 , 1948 singer 25.00 yd sale,1927 New Home 10.00, 2 Singers 401 & 403A less then 150.00 for both and they have cams. Singer 99-31 40.00, and my pride & joy 1891 coffin Top Treadle.
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