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Dr. Walter Bortz -- health care visionary or a Dr. Quixote?
Original post made by Jay Thorwaldson, editor emeritus, on Feb 11, 2011
We paused in the warming sun and chatted. Then he made a comment: "You know, Jay, most physicians don't have any idea what's about to happen to them economically."
He had been studying more than the health of older people, of which we have many in the Palo Alto area (which once rivaled Dade County, Fla., as the fastest-aging population in America). He had been reading up on medical economics, the emergence of large for-profit systems and the growth of the health-insurance industry.
I was doing public-affairs work for the brand-new foundation and looking for a way to let people know that the non-profit foundation now was more than just a group practice.
From those prophetic words emerged a series of biennial national conferences on health care economics and policy, which drew hundreds of physicians, administrators, insurance people and even some government leaders and legislators -- and a bevy of journalists. Throughout the 1980s the conferences tracked economic trends in medicine into the world of "managed care" and "for-profit medicine." Critics of the trends assailed the profit-motive thinking. It is a debate that still rages across America.
Dr. Bortz has been far more than a cerebral thinker about how to encourage healthier lifestyles for American families, promoting physical activity, healthful diets and challenging mental activity as a way to slow aging and prolong a good quality of life.
He became nationally known in the early 1990s for a provocative book, "We Live Too Short and Die Too Long" -- detailing the heroic (and hugely expensive) efforts to prolong the lives of people who have spent decades clogging their arteries and stressing their bodies by doing nothing, or too little. Somehow the TV generation has morphed into the computer-keyboard generation.
His second book created an even bigger stir: "Dare to be 100." That, Bortz maintains, is the natural lifespan of humans. Instead, our diets and sedentary patterns have resulted in overweight children, a huge percentage of whom will develop diabetes, and adults who will become ill and require expensive treatment.
Now at 80, Dr. Bortz and his wife are both known for putting their feet where their opinions are. He is getting in shape for the Boston Marathon and she is planning a competitive run, although against fewer competitors her age these days. They have provided much of the energy behind the "50-Plus Fitness Association," a locally based organization with chapters scattered across the nation. I served on the board for a time in the 1990s -- I was their bad-example mascot, I quipped.
Now Dr. Bortz has a new book out, his seventh, in which he digs deeper into the fabric of medical care and emerges with deeply disturbing conclusions. He describes today's medical care as "disease-based medicine" as opposed to "health care."
The book is called simply, "Next Medicine: The Science and Civics of Health." The cover shows a calm prairie-like field of grassland under a blue, cloud-studded sky.
But it is too calm, too pretty. The title and cover fail to convey the conflict he outlines within its pages. It leaves the Bortzes wondering and puzzled about why the book's sales haven't taken off, well, like a prairie fire. Dr. Bortz spoke Wednesday night (Feb. 8) at Kepler's bookstore in Menlo Park and is scheduled to speak Feb. 22 at the Commonwealth Club. In January, he spoke on what he feels is the "corruption" of the profession by the economic interests -- a brief recording is on the Commonwealth Club's website.
His Feb. 22 talk is entitled: "Wealth Before Health: Is American Health Care Threatening the Stability of the Nation?"
In the book, he goes deeply into what he considers the malaise of medicine, which is dominated by special economic interests and the old fee-for-service pattern of medical care, too often misnamed "health care." The economics reach down in many cases to individual physicians and medical school researchers/professors who have investments or interests in genetic research, the hot-ticket item today after a century and a half of "germ medicine."
The core message of the richly detailed book is that the payment mechanism is tied directly to medical practice, and actually gets in the way of doing it right. This is not a new message, and seems deceptively simple, even simplistic. Much lip service has been done on health promotion and disease prevention. Dr. Jack Farquhar and his team at Stanford University School of Medicine did groundbreaking work in the 1970s and 1980s on how to promote healthier lifestyles, using "refrigerator magnets" to convey easy-to-understand messages. Yet their careful research failed to penetrate the profession, the insurance industry, big pharmaceutical firms or our political system.
Only when (or if) American medical professionals can develop a new funding mechanism, such as pre-paid health care to replace fee-for-service, will real "preventive care" be achievable, Dr. Bortz believes.
"The recent meltdown in our financial system is a painful reminder of the heavy price we pay when we fail to keep a close eye on the events occurring on the commons," he wraps up in the book. "Vigilance requires that the medical system be exposed to strict review. We need capitalism to reconfigure its product for our health benefit rather than for our pain.
"Feeling worse and paying more is not a healthy prescription. ..."
Only when "people realize that one of their most important institutions has veered from its mission and become a hazard, not only to its own integrity of purpose but to the overall Commonhealth, then a moral imperative arises, and absolute individual and collective responsibility to fix what has gone wrong," he concludes.
"Of all the thousands of prescriptions that I have written, of the thousands of patients I have tended, this is the most important prescription, for the most important patient, all of us."
==BI Jay Thorwaldson is the former editor of the Weekly. He can be e-mailed at email@example.com.==
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a resident of Midtown
on Feb 11, 2011 at 6:58 pm
I want to booze, screw and dissipate to my heart's content. It is my personal freedom to do so. I also want to be able to check out (commit suicide) when I want to. If the medical profession would agree to doctor-assisted suicide, we could get beyond all this hugely expensive, end-of-life nonsense.
When will Dr. Bortz finally get aboard with the true economics of health care? It really doesn't matter that he is healthy, for longer than most, because, he will still have end-of-life, economy-destroying expenses, if he, or his family, cannot have the ability to end his life with an injection. It is a complete fantasy that healthy people cost the medical system less than unhealthy people. A type-II diabetic, or an obese person, or a heavy smoker costs less than a a healthy person who lives long enough to develop Altzheimer's disease, assuming that the former group dies at an earlier age.
There is no way that our health system can survive, unless we have doctor-assisted suicide.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Feb 12, 2011 at 4:17 pm
A lot of words here .. but not much substance.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Feb 13, 2011 at 3:04 pm
I support Sean's right to commit suicide. ;-)
Whatever we (Americans) are doing, we are so superior and self-righeous and always trying to push it on others, talking about how rich, great and powerful we are ... yet we don;t bother to carefully examine the stats in public comparing us NEGATIVELY with ALL the other developed countries.
Health care is like most things in the US, it is a status symbol of a clique, a class, and elite, and this is our game that we think is so wonderful ... it's just might makes right or in this case money and guns.
a resident of Midtown
on Feb 13, 2011 at 3:20 pm
You say you support my right to suicide, but it just isn't so! If I want to ask a doctor to give me an injection, as if I am on the operating table, then I should be able to do so.
Comparisons to other countries can be useful, on specific issues, but not others. For example, Sweden has almost twice the murder/attempted murder rate of the U.S. Each country is different, according to its own culture, but I just want a very decent thing: Doctor-assisted suicide. If it is not allowed on a voluntary basis, it will come down to a rationing model (death panels).
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Feb 14, 2011 at 11:15 am
We have "pre-paid health care" not fee for service already.
It is called "Managed Care" insurance, ie: HMOs.
We are heading toward one huge national HMO with no other choices available to us.
I prefer fee for service..so I get the service I want, not the service someone else has decided I need ( or don't).
So, with apologies for not reading the book and just commenting on this thread based on what Mr. Thorwaldson has written, I can see why there is no take-off on this book. Right now we have the choice to choose HMO or not, and there are many working hard to remove even that much choice from us..hard to support buying a book which pushes me into even less choice.
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Nearby is the Brambuk Aboriginal Cultural Centre. It tells the story of the local Aboriginal populations (at least 2 distinct groups). I found it interesting but also very disturbing as although I know the boriginal peoples were badly treated< I had not realised the extent of the oppression. The local groups have been traced back in the area for 40,000 years, and 1,600 generations. They were not nomadic but built shelters and lived in groups of 100 to 150ish. They had social networks so met up at different times for trade, to arrange marriages outside their own group etc
The new arrivals not only brought diseases which affected the people but they set up Missions which the Board for the Protection of Aborigines made them all live in (away from their lands), gave them Christian names, stopped them using their own language, stopped them making and wearing possum skin cloaks (which protected them in winter) and finally, took many children away from their families and gave them into white families. Although there is now a Treaty in place to improve the position of the Aboriginal peoples, there is very little evidence of it working as they come at the bottom of all the negative measures in present day society eg life expectancy, education, health, wealth etc. At the day to day level the situation seems to be ignored and interestingly the centre only had a couple of Australian visitors whilst we were in, young people in their early twenties, and they were not behaving in a respectful way to the exhibits to say the least. I very nearly found myself in a confrontation I was so angry! The centre certainly presents a lot to think about.
It describes how the definition of what constitutes an Aboriginal life style consists of "connections" to the land in a certain area and everything on it and to the community and extended families. For me that was useful to understand how they can survive in the modern world but also be part of it.
The camp site at Halls Gap is very good apart from not so much being "Lakeside" as under the water level below the retaining wall. I tried not to think about it.
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Discussion in 'FRESH FINDS' started by ohdeebee, May 3, 2012.
This one is totally new to me. I've never heard of a "Miss Teen" model. Anybody else have one?
Cool, never heard of that one :?
Makes you wonder if there was/is a "Mr. Teen"!...Ha!...I'll bet its serial number puts it around a '60-'61...Schwinn was fool'in around with some pretty weird & comical names that fell flat on their face..."Skipper" comes to mind (I have one of those)...P 8)
never heard of it ether , but schwinn had bike for everybody . 8)
I think it was a model somewhere between the Debbie and the CO-ED, is it it a 24" or 26" model ? Good looking survivor !!!
No "Mr. Teen" that I can find, and that's probably a good thing. But, Miss Teen looks to be a one year only name they tried in 1966. Like the early '60 their marketing was still trying out some goofy names to see what would sell. Also in 66 there was a Buddy, and Candy (only funny to us, cause we have friends with those names) and Skipper was still alive.
All cleaned up! I am yet to be disappointed in the quality of Schwinn chrome
I had a 20" schwinn barbie at one point
Did you read the "Miss Teen" description on that catalog page Marty posted?...A 2-speed kick-back for $8 more...WOW!!! :shock: ...P 8)
Now all you need to do is hit the back side of the fender braces with some silver paint, and clean the Schwinn decal on the seat tube with a magic eraser! (If you're going the Rat Rod Texas Detailing route anyway)! :lol: -Adam
When I got my first 26" Schwinn with a yellow band kickback, a black Deluxe Typhoon, they were up to $10 extra. That was either '68 or '69. I don't think you could buy a loose kickback from the Schwinn dealer for $8 or $10 though. That price was if it came on a new bike. Gary
Thing came out nice. Have you tried wesleys bleach white tire cleaner on those grips? It's whitewall cleaner that I'm almost positive would clean those up nicely.
Happy new owner!
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1/3 cup butter
1/3 cup good peanut butter
1 cup honey
2 tsp. vanilla
1 egg
1/2 tsp. salt
Cream all the above together then add:
3/4 cup coarse coconut chopped fine (from a natural food store, not the stringy sweetened stuff from the grocery store)
1/2 cup oats
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Chill and roll out into balls and press down with a floured fork.
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Jesus Christ Is Risen TodayApr 10, 2009
Today, Good Friday, is the sorrow of Christ's Passion and Death, Death upon a cross. But His ignominious death, required for the forgiveness of sin, gives way to the Resurrection and life everlasting. His sacrifice for His children is too great to ever reciprocate, except to live as a reflection of his Word and Life. Today, then, though one of sorrow, solemnity and reflection of the necessity of the Great Sacrifice, quickly gives way to a day for hope, hope ground in faith, faith in life everlasting through the redemption gained through sacrificial death of the Lord, Jesus Christ. From The Family Foundation of Virginia, please accept our best wishes for a Blessed Easter Season.
Jesus Christ Is Risen Today
Jesus Christ is ris'n today! Sinners wipe your tears away! Jesus' death upon the cross Saveth us from endless loss.
Alleluia, Alleluia, Alleluia, Alleluia!
See the holy women come, Bearing spices to the tomb; Hear the white-clad angel's voice Bid the universe rejoice.
Alleluia, Alleluia, Alleluia, Alleluia!
Go tell all His brethren dear "He is risen, nor is here! Seek Him not among the dead; He is risen as He said!"
Alleluia, Alleluia, Alleluia, Alleluia!
Glory, Jesus be to Thee! Thine own might hath set Thee free! Come! for primal joy restored, Let us bless our Paschal Lord!
Send a Message to Warner and Kaine!
Send a Message to Warner and Kaine!
U.S. Senator Tim Kaine announced he plans to oppose confirming Judge Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court to fill the late Justice Antonin Scalia's vacant seat. Likewise, Virginia's other Senator, Mark Warner, issued a statement earlier this week that he also plans to oppose Gorsuch's confirmation.
Both cite Gorsuch's refusal to claim support for abortion "rights" as their reason for opposing this highly qualified jurist – and notably – one for whom members of their party unanimously confirmed to join the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals in 2006.
CLICK HERE to urge Senators Kaine and Warner to do the sensible thing, and confirm Judge Neil Gorsuch to the U.S. Supreme Court!
According to Kaine, "After meeting with Judge Gorsuch and reviewing his testimony and past decisions, I've observed that he has repeatedly taken an activist approach to cases involving a woman's right to make her own decisions about her health." Presumably, Sen. Kaine is referencing Gorsuch's majority opinion in the Hobby Lobbycase (which was soon after affirmed by the U.S. Supreme Court) where the courts held that Hobby Lobby had the right, consistent with its religious liberty, to provide health insurance to its employees that excluded coverage for abortion-inducing drugs.
Sen. Warner said, "Despite his impressive academic credentials, Judge Gorsuch's record and evasive responses – even refusing to answer questions regarding his views of cases like Roe v. Wade and Citizens United – do not give me confidence that he possesses a judicial philosophy that will serve the American public well."
Virginia Senators Mark Warner and Tim Kaine portray themselves as "moderates," with the help of a friendly media. But their voting records and rhetoric have become more and more out of touch as their party lurches to the extreme left. Now, both are taking their cues from Planned Parenthood and the ACLU by opposing Gorsuch.
Both Senators need to hear from real Virginians like you that their vote against Gorsuch is a vote against Virginia. It's a vote against the Constitution. It's a vote against freedom.
Contact both Senators now and urge them to confirm Neil Gorsuch for the Court!
Governor Sued!
Governor Sued!
Family Foundation Announces Impending Legal Action
- McAuliffe Administration Notified Today -
RICHMOND–The Family Foundation of Virginia today announced that the administration of Governor Terry McAuliffe has been notified of impending legal action regarding violations of state law by the Department and Board of Health during the abortion center health and safety standards regulatory process.
"Over and over again during the nearly three-year process of amending the standards, the administration and Board violated the Administrative Process Act, the state law that provides the framework for regulatory action, the administrative code, and the Governor's own Executive Order 17 regarding the regulatory review process," said Victoria Cobb, President of The Family Foundation. "Regardless of one's belief about the need for basic health and safety standards for abortion centers – or of any regulation for that matter – we all have to agree that a regulatory body cannot act outside the law when it wields extraordinary power over business, commerce and health care. We have the Administrative Process Act for that reason, to provide legal boundaries and process for unelected regulatory bodies, to provide transparency and public input throughout the regulatory process, and to be able to hold these agencies accountable when they go beyond the scope of their authority."
Details of the administrative appeal were not released, but will be made available when the action is filed in Henrico Circuit Court within the next thirty days. The Family Foundation is paying the legal fees for one appellant in the appeal, Itzel Melendez, from Richmond. At a Richmond press conference today, Mrs. Melendez said, "In the past, I had occasion to visit an abortion center for the purpose of obtaining an abortion. I am participating in this case because I am concerned that without basic health and safety standards, abortion centers will operate in a way that could put my health at risk if I ever decided in the future that I needed their services. The standards that were in place were there to protect women like me from harm. Without them, I am no longer confident that my health would be protected."
Cobb did reference one of the examples of where the pro-family organization believes the administration broke the law. She stated, "The agency violated the Administrative Process Act by amending entirely separate and unrelated regulatory sections that had not been included in the regulations' "Proposed" phase. Several regulatory sections amended by the Board were not included in the "Proposed Regulation Agency Background Document" posted in townhall.gov, and these regulatory sections dealt with matters the public did not have an opportunity to comment on in accordance with the requirements of the law.
"In addition, several regulatory sections the Board amended were not even in the agency's "Final Regulation Agency Background Document" posted in townhall.gov, let alone its "Proposed Regulation Agency Background Document". The Code of Virginia requires that the notice requirement contain "(i) a statement of the date, time and place of the hearing at which the regulation is to be considered; (ii) a brief statement as to the regulation under consideration; [and] (iii) reference to the legal authority of the agency to act; …." Yet, that never occurred for all of the regulatory topics for the sections that were not included in the agency's "Proposed" regulations. This is an important matter of transparency – providing to the public a clear list what areas of regulation are intended to be reviewed and amended. The public and the entities being regulated should know from the beginning what areas of regulation the agency intends to change. By avoiding disclosing all the areas the Department and Board intended to amend they violated both the letter and spirit of the law.
"In this case, the Department and Board initially indicated they would review and amend only six areas of the regulations, and instead ended up changing more than 20. The public had no ability to weigh in on these changes until after the Board had already voted."
Cobb said, "There is a specific, detailed, and yes sometimes cumbersome regulatory process that, whether we like it or not, is the law of Virginia. Without a framework, and without criteria and accountability for regulatory agencies, one can only imagine the damage that could be done in any arena by regulatory bodies."
"The Family Foundation fully supports the actions taken by these appellants," added Cobb. "It is unfortunate that the McAuliffe administration has in its ideological zeal consistently ignored or violated state law throughout this process, but it must be held accountable for those actions. The regulatory process has rules that must be followed. Again, this appeal is about that legal process and this administration's ignorance of or disdain for that process."
Appellants in the case who appeared at today's press conference were Virginia Board of Health members Megan Getter and Henry Kuhlman, and Itzel Melendez of Richmond. The attorney representing Mrs. Melendez is Dan Carrell of Carrell, Blanton Ferris and Associates, Richmond.
Our 2016 Summer Interns
Our 2016 Summer Interns
The Family Foundation's summer internship program has grown over the years and attracts some incredibly talented college students. This year, our 2016 intern class is bright, fun-loving, creative, driven, and faithful. With dozens of students applying for a limited number of spots, the caliber of interns continues to improve. This summer, our interns are learning about each area of the organization, from policy research to social media outreach to grassroots activism and community organizing.
One aspect of our summer internship program that continues to evolve is in Biblical worldview training and discussion. Each Friday, our interns spend several hours hearing from various experts on different issues and participate in in-depth discussions of these topics. Our goal is to continue to expand this program in future years, and I look forward to announcing more about these plans in the coming months!
I hope you'll enjoy the brief bios below and be sure to click on their names to read more about each of them:
Abbey Jessee (Development Intern; Radford University)
Abbey returns to us after interning last summer. This is her second summer interning and she is very excited to be back again. She attended Radford University and graduated in May with a degree in Marketing and a minor in Sports Administration. A fun fact about Abbey is that she has broken her arms 5 times and her foot once. Although it has been a little over a year since she's been clumsy and broken anything and her family is hoping that the streak continues!
Grace Saunders (Social Media Intern; University of South Carolina)
Grace is the Social Media Intern at TFF this summer. She will be a junior next year at the University of South Carolina, Go Cocks! She is studying Library and Information Science with the hopes of minoring in Political Science, as her dream job is to be a political analyst. Her favorite sport is tennis and she considers herself to be the next Serena Williams. Peanut Butter and Chocolate are her two top favorite foods, so the way to her heart is Reece's and Cookout Milkshakes. She obviously got the internship start date wrong because she didn't show up until a month through the internship. She is well traveled and considers herself an expert in traveling abroad. Grace probably knows more than you so she considers humility her best quality
Richard Wiley (Policy Intern; Liberty University)
Born in Jacksonville, Florida and presently living in Goochland, Virginia, Richard was drawn to The Family Foundation because of his interest in the interaction of church and state in local politics, particularly those in the Old Dominion. He was homeschooled for much of his primary education and studied with Liberty's dual enrollment program to complete high school with an associate's degree. Richard graduated with a bachelor's degree in pre-law from Liberty this spring after spending time on the University's policy debate team, moot court team, and SGA legal team.
Evan Withrow (Grassroots Intern; Christopher Newport University
Evan is an excellent candidate for the new British Prime Minister. After Britain voted to leave the EU last month, Prime Minister David Cameron decided he no longer wanted to steer Britain to its uncertain future and announced his resignation. The nation will be left looking for somebody come October and much to our excitement as the first American non-profit organization to endorse an all-American candidate for Prime Minister, Evan has agreed to act in this capacity should he be chosen, so long as he gets to keep his desk and his American accent. His experience includes, but is not limited to, diligent and faithful service to his country in his softball league for several years, two years of college education at Christopher Newport University studying communications (probably the undercover kind), and YouTube. We can't guarantee that he'll be selected by the present monarch due to a less than advantageous situation with the unionist party, but if he succeeds at gaining the position, he'll leverage technical jargon against malefactors better than Humphrey Appleby ever did.
Cameron Dominy (Elections and Grassroots Intern; Charleston Southern University)
Cameron is very much a Yankee…yet he wears Chubbies and goes to school at Charleston Southern University. Cameron is a Former Division One Javelin Thrower, but his competitive spirit carries over which is why he is currently serving as the President pro tempore for the CSU Student Government and is also the chairman of the CSU College Republicans. The South Carolina Student Legislature is lucky to have him as their chief of staff.


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Assaults on liberty promoted by right-wing authoritarians, such as President George W. Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney, may be difficult to combat, but they are easy to recognize. When news of this bully-boy administration's warrantless wiretapping was revealed by the New York Times, the public outcry was intense. It is hard to keep secrets in an open, democratic society.
Curbing progressive-minded authoritarians operating on the local level is much more difficult. It's hard to demonize the well-meaning busybodies next door. They voted for Barack Obama, may shop at Whole Foods or the co-op, and are probably as green as their budgets allow. Their fetish for jackboots, however, is their own guilty pleasure.
The progressive authoritarians were active in Los Angeles this summer, enacting a one-year moratorium on construction of fast-food restaurants in that city's poor neighborhoods, where obesity is disproportionately more of a problem than in prosperous precincts.
It is a clever idea: slim down the poor folks by applying the principals of apartheid. No fast food for them — black- and brown-skinned residents, many of whom speak Spanish — but plenty for white people. Caucasians, apparently, can be relied upon to make "smarter" dietary choices. The well-meaning members of the LA City Council who unanimously passed this measure would be aghast at this characterization. But that's the practical result. Restrict freedom of choice among the poor in the hopes that they might get healthier.
Just as harebrained, but less likely to go anywhere, is the proposal by New York Governor David Patterson to tax soft drinks with sugar at a higher rate than sugar-free beverages. Sugar bad; chemical additives good. Brilliant! Too bad for Paterson that so many above the poverty line enjoy their sugar habit.
Public health is fast becoming for so-called progressives what terrorism is for conservatives: a reason to restrict liberty in the name of some greater good. Put a Classic Coke in Ronald McDonald's hand and he's the new Osama bin Laden.
With its just-adopted ban on the sale of tobacco on college campuses and in pharmacies, Boston has become a poster child for the Nanny States of America. City Hall knows best. And if you disagree, hang a sign around your neck that reads BAD PERSON, then go stand in the corner. Better yet, revive the stocks and pillories our puritan forefathers once used to publicly shame wrongdoers. Wonder if Paula Johnson, MD, PhD, and the chair of Boston's Public Health Commission, has her own secret agenda? Mother Johnson, along with the rest of the commission, has just enacted some of the nation's most restrictive tobacco ordinances.
College students, of course, have long been treated like children. They are subject to proto-fascist speech codes governing what can and cannot be said. (Do they read George Orwell?) Older graduate students, faculty, and staff are subject to those too. In the womb of the campus, all are kiddies today, subject to regulation by Big Nanny.
Nannies have had little impact on curbing underage drinking, so we suspect they'll be just as unsuccessful in discouraging undergraduate smoking. Maybe the Public Health Commission should turn its attention to sexual intercourse. It could team up with administrators and require students to fill out forms before, well, fucking. This way college authorities could make sure the deed — or deeds — are consensual. And the Public Health Commission could promote safe sex by mandating the absolute use of condoms and dental dams. Breakage and slippage might pose problems. But trust in the nannies; they are an imaginative lot.
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GLC "Cathedralfied Livin"
Produced by Cardo, and directed by Terrence A. Jones (Fifteen80 Films, reppin' #GowhereLA), GLC puts down some slick rhymes and a hometown visual for "Cathedralfied Livin". He rhymes at the UC and over at PHLI for this quick-hit video above (shouts to Dave Jeff as well). #ISM
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Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by Pwn Toney, Aug 15, 2006.
The Low, Your posts are also remarkable. :D
I don't see what logical reasons there are to think the team will play better in the playoffs next year, unless you think it's a coincidence that our 4 best jumpshooters went cold for ten consecutive games. Unless our coach learned some lessons, and it's pretty clear he didn't, he will fail to put our players in position to succeed.
Sounds like you have given up on the season already. Why not find a new team?
I understand your feeling, but this is why I created the Lack of enthusiasm thread. I gives those of us not thrilled about the coming year a place to vent AND it keeps us from hijacking the more prevalent positive threads. We CAN still like the Pistons, but not be happy about the direction they are going in.
i don't share the feelings you have Low, but I totally dig what you are doing with them -- the thread is a good idea, and i could not agree more with your statement that you CAN still like the Pistons and not be happy about the direction they are going in. (Kind of like I like the USA but I'm not happy about the direction they are going in. Doesn't mean I need to move.) Anyway, hang in, and maybe you'll be pleasantly proven unprophetic for the upcoming campaign.
What spoiled brats we are. We go to a few ECF win a ship and darn it, we expect nothing less each and every year. There is nothing wrong with that, however, it`s not realistic. We are due to hit a few bumps in the road, either by bad decisions by management, poor coaching, and the loss or lack of quality players. Looks like we have experienced all of the above recently! As I said earlier in this thread I am taking it as a wait and see attitude this year, not expecting a championship, but looking forward to a very competitive Piston team. Now, if we win a championship, I would be very surprised, but not stunned. A year of not being competiitve, (finishing in the top 3 of the ECF, with at least 50 wins) I would be appalled.
Our championship history includes names like Thomas, Dumars, Laimbeer, Daly, Wallace, Billups, Hamilton, Brown. Saunders is not a name that belongs on the above list. Many fans have been around long enough to intrinsically understand what ``Pistons DNA'' is, even if it's a hard thing to put specifics on. We've seen what works, and we can see how what Saunders wants to do is very different. As long as he's here, wasting the prime years of a championship core, Saunders is a stain on the franchise.
Well said sir.
I second that well said.
However, I had a friend say yesterday that there's a difference in realizing when your run is over and forcing it to be over just to "make a point/save cash/promote your guy/fire the other guy's guy, etc." I think the Pistons fell into the latter category and that's what upsets me the most. Heck, if they won a title with this gameplan and roster, I would have to change religions...
That`s a valid point, however, we have to wait and see what happens this year. I am by no means expecting a championship, but if we make it to the ECF this year is the run over? If our defense improves this year and the offense suffers some, is that progress? What exactly has to happen for "the run to be over"? And what has to happen for the Pistons to still be "running"?
I would feel better about our chances if I knew they were working hard at improving their games this summer. There hasn't been any reports of scrimmages or offseason conditioning in the local rags (our crack beat writers sleeping at the wheel again). The Raptors have 12 guys practicing together... the Nets and Magic have had informal mini camps... and the Pistons??? anyone?...someone lift a dumbell this summer? Geesh I hate our writers... can we trade them for some nachos and a slurpee... maybe that's too much (the 25% rule)
There will be an offseason round up at BBSC soon.
I would say failure to make the ECF or a 2nd lackluster performace and subsequent bouncing from the ECF would denote the run as "over."
Low, wouldn't that just be Running in reverse?
Nah, I say when they disband half the squad - then its over. The current squad can get it done but it will need to work a lot harder and get a lot more breaks
We've lost in the playoffs two straight years. Our run is over already, and we have a different team now. If this group wins a ring, it will be for a different reason and with a different set of factors.
So if there is no repeat, that means there is no run?
Had we sandwiched the finals loss with rings, the run wouldn't have been over. Had we repated, lost this year and won again, one could argue that the run is continuing -- people called the Pats a dynasty for winning 3 in 4 years. However, now we just haven't won in two years. That's different, and IMO, at run's- end status.
wow, this gets really baffling when you think about it. Using this logic, have the spurs, for example, actually had any runs at all? Intuitively, I'd have said yes. But i think if I follow your reasoning here, Hack, it seems they haven't. Is that right?
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