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Oddly enough, my blog host doesn't have a simple format for block quotes, so my comments are interspersed below in italics. I have done this as a kind of point-by-point response. I realized in process this might not have been the best format given the length and nature of my reply, but I just didn't have it in me to start fresh. Maybe at some point I'll summarize my concerns.
When asked by The Barna Group what words or phrases best describe Christianity, the top response among Americans ages 16-29 was "antihomosexual." For a staggering 91 percent of non-Christians, this was the first word that came to their mind when asked about the Christian faith. The same was true for 80 percent of young churchgoers. (The next most common negative images? : "judgmental," "hypocritical," and "too involved in politics.")
In the book that documents these findings, titled unChristian, David Kinnaman writes:
"The gay issue has become the 'big one, the negative image most likely to be intertwined with Christianity's reputation. It is also the dimensions that most clearly demonstrates the unchristian faith to young people today, surfacing in a spate of negative perceptions: judgmental, bigoted, sheltered, right-wingers, hypocritical, insincere, and uncaring. Outsiders say [Christian] hostility toward gays...has become virtually synonymous with the Christian faith."
Later research, documented in Kinnaman's You Lost Me, reveals that one of the top reasons 59 percent of young adults with a Christian background have left the church is because they perceive the church to be too exclusive, particularly regarding their LGBT friends. Eight million twenty-somethings have left the church, and this is one reason why.
Let's start here. There's not much to say about this except that if you're going to reference statistics, you really need to give some specific citation. She mentions the book, but the way she presents the numbers in the first paragraph is less than clear. Based on the USA today article that cites the same numbers, it appears that rather than being the first word that spontaneously popped into 91% of non-Christians' minds, "antihomosexual" was one choice among several. It might help to know that and to know what the other options were. Regardless, I don't want to get bogged down here except to say that this sets a tone that is not very helpful and seems all too quick to marshal uncharitable accusations in service of the author's perspective.
In my experience, all the anecdotal evidence backs up the research.
When I speak at Christian colleges, I often take time to chat with students in the cafeteria. When I ask them what issues are most important to them, they consistently report that they are frustrated by how the Church has treated their gay and lesbian friends. Some of these students would say they most identify with what groups like the Gay Christian Network term "Side A" (they believe homosexual relationships have the same value as heterosexual relations in the sight of God). Others better identify with "Side B" (they believe only male/female relationship in marriage is God's intent for sexuality). But every single student I have spoken with believes that the Church has mishandled its response to homosexuality.
What church? Who? The Westboro Baptists? The Episcopalian Church? The Catholics? The PCUSA? This is the kind of vague anti-establishment criticism that is typical of youth culture in all generations, but it really tells us very little.
Most have close gay and lesbian friends.
Most feel that the Church's response to homosexuality is partly responsible for high rates of depression and suicide among their gay and lesbian friends, particularly those who are gay and Christian.
Most are highly suspicious of "ex-gay" ministries that encourage men and women with same-sex attractions to marry members of the opposite sex in spite of their feelings.
These kinds of statements, particularly this last one, come across as veiled accusations. The author seems to take as a given that what young people are suspicious of is in fact what "ex-gay" ministries are in the business of. But, without protesting the rather pejorative terminology, what ministries do this? I have known at least two ministers who worked with ministries for men struggling with homosexual desires, and this is certainly not what they did. Further, consider this statement from the website of Exodus International, one of the most prominent ministries to homosexuals:
"Some may change their sexual behavior to align with biblical teaching on sexuality and may experience a shift in sexual attractions or orientation; others may not. We are motivated not by a shift in attraction or orientation, but by the desire to live a life consistent with our faith."
This statement, along with their claim that they are explicitly against conversion or reparative therapy, makes it unlikely that they would encourage people to marry the opposite sex if they were still experiencing significant homosexual attractions.
Or consider the first of the five goals of the Roman Catholic ministry Courage (five goals which were formulated by the founding members): "To live chaste lives in accordance with the Roman Catholic Church's teaching on homosexuality." No suggestion of marriage to overcome homosexual attraction here.
NARTH, an institution that does favor reparative/conversion therapy, is unaffiliated with any Christian ministry, though it is headquartered at the Thomas Aquinas Psychological Clinic in California. But even they do not appear to favor marriage as a form of reparative therapy, focusing instead on psychoanalytical methods.
So here we have three prominent organizations likely to be labeled "ex-gay," and it turns out that none of the three are likely to endorse marriage as therapy to change sexual orientation. Yet, based on what those whom the author speaks to are suspicious of, we are led to believe that this is typical of such ministries, or at least that is the implication.
Most feel that the church is complicit, at least at some level, in anti-gay bullying.
Again, which church? Who? Are there churches and groups of people that call themselves churches that bully? Surely. Is it characteristic of the church? I hardly think so, and I'm not really inclined to accept such a claim without some evidence or explanation, given that it seems to besmirch the reputation of the bride of Christ on the basis of the feelings of students that this author has spoken with. But that is the problem: Evans doesn't exactly say that the church is complicit in bullying, just that lots of young people "feel" that "at some level" the church is complicit. What does this mean? And if it's true, what should we do about it? Those are questions worth exploring. But alas, they are left dangling. Does support for a marriage amendment constitute such complicity in these young people's minds? In the author's mind? We don't know, and we are left feeling a little like someone who has had a pebble thrown at the back of our head, but we aren't sure by whom, and we aren't sure why.
And most...I daresay all...have expressed to me passionate opposition to legislative action against gays and lesbians.
"When evangelicals turn their anti-gay sentiments into a political campaign," one college senior on her way to graduate school told me, "all it does is confirm to my gay friends that they will never be welcome in the church. It makes them bitter, and it makes me mad too. This is why I never refer to myself as an evangelical. Ugh. I'm embarrassed to be part of that group."
I can relate.
I see at least three factors at work here which concern me, two philosophical/political/theological and one ethical. The first is what seems to be an implicit assumption that Christians should keep their faith out of politics. But this is neither possible nor desirable, and the idea of doing so points to a deep philosophical divide between those who would separate life into the sacred and the secular and those who would call for all of our actions, both public and private, to be informed by Scripture and a careful application of it to the various situations to which we are called. Obviously, I am inclined to the latter; I think that Jesus wants to redeem the whole world, including social and political structures, not just individual souls. (That's why I think Christians were right to have fought political battles over things like slavery.) Further, the state is instituted by and answerable to God for administering justice (cf Rom. 13). This means that it will necessarily operate with some vision of what justice is, either a Biblically informed Christian vision of justice, or some rival vision that takes something other than the glory of God and obedience to him to be its highest end. All this is simply to say that if Christians are to be involved in the political realm at all (surely we will all accept they have the right if not the obligation to be), they likewise have the right, and even the obligation, to do so as Christians. They cannot and should not leave their religion at the door. We are not dualists. Public life is every bit as inherently religious as private, and to act otherwise is to serve two (or more) masters.
But this brings us to the second political point: whether or not the specific types of political moves being discussed here are appropriate or acceptable. My guess is that there are more than a few that would agree with what I've said above and yet feel that the specific instance of legislation either banning or (as in the case of the North Carolina) constitutionally strengthening the existing prohibition on the civil sanctioning of homosexual marriages or unions is inappropriate. While our Christian faith may be a factor in our support for laws against murder, theft, and child abuse, certainly there are things which we as Christians would agree are sins but not crimes. My goal here is not to defend the specific strategy of the North Carolina bill, or any other particular piece of legislation, but to argue that the basic stated goals of such legislation are not inappropriate. While one could hardly call our governments (federal or state) "Christian" at this point in history, there is some value in not going from bad to worse. What the pieces of legislation discussed over the past few weeks all have in common is a goal of not having the civil authorities sanction--that is, put their imprimatur on--sexually immoral relationships. These laws do not take action against homosexuals; in fact, they attempt to secure inaction. They are aimed at ensuring the continuance of the status quo, as opposed to moving toward a situation in which our government, which represents us and is accountable to God for administering justice, gives a positive statement of legitimacy and sanction to behavior which Scripture describes as an abomination (Lev 18.22), and which St. Paul describes as keeping one from the Kingdom of God apart from repentance (I Cor. 6.9-10; I Tim. 1.9-10). This is extremely important to note. This is not legislation outlawing homosexual acts, or even outlawing homosexual marriage which has never been legally recognized. It simply reiterates and attempts to strengthen the current practice of the state, which is to only sanction marriage between one man and one woman. It seems patently understandable that Christians would not want the government to give to a behavior that the Bible says is wrong, and thus ultimately destructive to human flourishing, a status which would encourage it and provide financial and social incentives to pursue it.
Finally, the third issue, the ethical one, has to do with charity and what we assume about other Christians. For instance, the friend that Evans cites sets the tone by referring to evangelicals as harboring anti-gay sentiments. On the one hand, if she simply means believing that homosexual behavior and lifestyles are sinful, then I guess the label fits, but then that has been the position of the church for 2,000 years. But the connotation is clear, and it suggests that evangelicals actually have a bigoted disdain for homosexuals. This is evident in the embarrassment that Evans' friend feels, and with which Evans sympathizes, at being associated with evangelicals. But is there not a lack of charity here? Should we not feel a certain loyalty to our brothers and sisters that means that we assume that they are seeking to be obedient to Scripture and yet loving of others unless we see specific evidence otherwise? On what grounds is it legitimate to assume the worst about those who push for legislative action? On what basis would you assume that they are doing so out of anti-gay sentiment rather than out of a desire to avoid institutionalizing sin? You may disagree with the method, but that's no excuse for assuming the worst about a group of people whose very self-identification as evangelicals tells you that they want to be associated with fidelity to Scripture and the God of Scripture.
Moreover, as to the student's point about homosexuals "never [being] welcome in the church, " are we really at a place where we can't abide the idea that perhaps one should feel a sense of unwelcome in the Church if one is unwilling to repent? The Church is the bride of Christ. It is a place to receive grace, but grace goes hand in hand with repentance (Acts 2.37-38). What makes homosexuality unique, as it manifests itself in contemporary culture and in these debates, is not that it is a sin. Indeed, sinners are welcomed into the Church, where they can repent and find forgiveness. Rather, the homosexuality that is at issue in these debates is often a lifestyle and an identity, and what is being asked by its proponents is that it be accepted. Alcoholics are welcomed into the Church, but they are called to repent of alcoholism. Liars are welcomed into the Church, but they are called to repent and stop lying. And this is not to say that we ask people to shape up before they come in, or that the Church demands perfection. We all come in to the Church as sinners in need of grace. And we all continue to need grace throughout our lives in the Church. But it is true that when we come in, Christ through his Bride bids us repent. And if we are unwilling to do so, or are unwilling to accept that we even need to repent, then it is true: we will not feel welcome. We will be constantly confronted with the cognitive dissonance of the fact that what we are embracing is what this Body is calling us to turn from. So yes, those who engage in homosexual behavior are welcomed into the Church, but they are called to repent of sexual immorality. The call to repent does not equal a closed door, else no one would be a member of the church. The call to repent is universal. All who enter must repent.
When Tennessee added an amendment to the state constitution banning same-sex marriage (even though it was already illegal in the state), members of my church at the time put signs in the yard declaring support for the initiative. From my perspective, the message this sent to the entire community was simple: EVERYONE BUT GAYS WELCOME.
Dan and I left the church soon afterwards.
I think I addressed this above. Would supporting a law against any other action that Scripture calls sin (murder, pedophilia, theft, etc.) be to say: EVERYONE BUT _____ WELCOME? Of course not. It would be to say that the Church is a place that calls for the repentance of sin, and thus opposes civil sanctioning of said sin. It is an act of love to oppose the sanctioning of violations of God's law. This is not to say that all sins must be outlawed, but we are not here talking about providing penal judgment for sin. We are talking about not sanctioning it, or putting a civil imprimatur on it as a society. Obviously we cannot outlaw lying or lust, but we can refuse to recognize lies as truth or lust as marriage at a civil level.
Which brings me to North Carolina and Amendment One.
Despite the fact that the North Carolina law already holds that marriage in the eyes of state is only between a man and a woman, an amendment was put on the ballot to permanently ban same-sex marriage in the state constitution. The initiative doesn't appear to change anything on a practical level, (though some are saying it may have unintended negative consequences on heterosexual relationships), but seems to serve primarily as an ideological statement
....an expensive, destructive, and impractical ideological statement.
Conservatives in the state—who you would think would be more opposed to tampering with constitutions—supported the amendment, and last night it passed. Religious leaders led the charge in support of the amendment, with 93-year-old Billy Graham taking out multiple ads in publications across the state supporting the measure.
As I watched my Facebook and Twitter feeds last night, the reaction among my friends fell into an imperfect but highly predictable pattern. Christians over 40 were celebrating. Christians under 40 were mourning. Reading through the comments, the same thought kept returning to my mind as occurred to me when I first saw that Billy Graham ad: You're losing us.
What does she mean? Will she leave the Church over this, the Bride of Christ outside of which there is ordinarily no hope of salvation? Why? Is she so sure that her generation has it all figured out? Is she so sure that the millennia of generations of Christians who have read Scripture to absolutely forbid the acceptance of homosexual behavior, seen it as a sin, and thus never dreamed of giving it sanctioned status under the law, were utterly wrong and that she is willing to leave over it?
It seems to me that in addition to the political and ethical problems addressed above, these kinds of statements make up the other core of what I find so distasteful about this article, and indeed much of what is coming from the younger evangelicals. There is a pervasive sense that the perspective of the young is to be privileged, heeded, and given deference. On what grounds does anyone think it Biblically defensible for the young to sit in judgment over their elders, living and dead, and presume to offer such ultimatums as "You're losing us"? Why would you not assume it more likely that your generation is young and immature and more than likely blinded by certain contemporary cultural norms and biases that you have not lived long enough or thought critically enough to recognize? Why would you assume that everyone before you has gotten it wrong? Why would you not defer to the wisdom of the ages, and seek to sit patiently under the teaching of elder, wiser, Christians before asserting your own perspective and throwing down the gauntlet? Scripture is very clear on these issues. Deference always goes to our elders, and that means to history as well. Reformation and rethinking happen, but not because young people insist on asserting their perspective and threaten what by all appearances is abandonment of the Bride. (But hey, maybe not, this is America, so we can just pick another or start our own).
Ultimatums do not suite the young.
I've said it a million times, and I'll say it again...(though I'm starting to think that no one is listening):
My generation is tired of the culture wars.
Abraham Kuyper would weep over such a statement. Granted, the military imagery can go too far, but the church militant is an important and historically significant perspective.
We are tired of fighting, tired of vain efforts to advance the Kingdom through politics and power, tired of drawing lines in the sand, tired of being known for what we are against, not what we are for.
I'm glad William Wilberforce wasn't so easily tired.
And when it comes to homosexuality, we no longer think in the black-at-white categories of the generations before ours. We know too many wonderful people from the LGBT community to consider homosexuality a mere "issue." These are people, and they are our friends. When they tell us that something hurts them, we listen. And Amendment One hurts like hell.
Perhaps this is right, and perhaps those who have gone before have just been too dim and cruel and narrow-minded to notice. But perhaps, just perhaps, this represents just a hint of elitism. Or was St. Paul just too wrapped up in black and white thinking? (1 Cor 6.9-10, 1 Tim. 1.10).
Regardless of whether you identify most with Side A or Side B, (or with one of the many variations within those two broad categories), it should be clear that amendments like these needlessly offend gays and lesbians, damage the reputation of Christians, and further alienate young adults—both Christians and non-Christian—from the Church.
But the problem is, it is not clear. Again, this privileging of one's perspective, even at the expense of the good name of other Christians, is inappropriate. Good Christians, thoughtful Christians, sincere and humble Christians not motivated by bigotry, disagree on the issue. If you are against state level marriage amendments, it's alright to say so, but you should not be implicating your Christian brethren with bigotry, anti-gay sentiments, or any other ugly accusation just because they happen to think there is value in such amendments (or in other political actions we might discuss). What you believe to be a "needless offense" others see as a worthwhile and even necessary political act.
So my question for those evangelicals leading the charge in the culture wars is this: Is it worth it?
Is a political "victory" really worth losing millions more young people to cynicism regarding the Church?
The proper question is: is it worth leaving the bride of Christ and the hope of salvation because at a young age you disagree with something the Church has always taught and in some instances is seeking to promote in society via civil legislation?
Is a political "victory" worth further alienating people who identify as LGBT?
Is a political "victory" worth perpetuating the idea that evangelical Christians are at war with gays and lesbians?
And is a political "victory" worth drowning out that quiet but persistent internal voice that asks—what if we get this wrong?
Too many Christian leaders seem to think the answer to that question is "yes," and it's costing them.
Here it seems that perhaps Evans is shifting from the general questions about faith and politics and "culture wars" to the specifics of the marriage amendment issue. Is this particular issue the hill on which to die? Is this the most effective way for Christians to fight for more Christian and biblically informed social structures and institutions under which humans can thrive? I don't know. I kind of doubt it. But on the other hand, it might be a necessary stop-gap measure to prevent our political leaders from doing one more foolish and wrath-incurring thing (in the vein of legalized abortion, etc.) by officially giving civil sanction to sexually immoral relationships. Again, while Christians can differ on the wisdom of this particular means of "fighting the culture wars," the culture wars will always have to be fought if we believe that Jesus wants our faith and our redemption to have an effect on the world around us. And there is no justification for assuming that it is bigotry, callousness, or any other un-Christian attitude that motivates Christians who disagree with you on the particulars.
Make no mistake: as I said before, the civil government exists to promote a vision of justice. It will either serve a Biblical vision of justice or some other vision. As Christians, how can we hope for anything less than a civil government that promotes a vision of justice that is Christian and thus oriented toward human flourishing? Part of such justice means not calling good evil, or evil good. To recognize and sanction two people living in a sinful sexual relationship as married would be to call evil good, and the prophets have strong words for such sophistry.
Because young Christians are ready for peace.
This is tough to know how to respond to. On the one hand, the Church is called to be at peace with one another as Christians, and articles like this seem to me to promote division, not peace. Disregarding and making uncharitable judgments about your elders in the Church is not peaceable behavior.
But on the other hand, if the call is to peace with those outside the Church, then things get even more complicated. In a way I sympathize. I have little patience for those who use Christianity as a pretense for being arrogant and spiteful, the television and radio personalities who use the faith like a cruel weapon. But on the other hand, the antithesis stands, and while we pursue the spread of the gospel by loving engagement and the proclamation of good news, we also stand against sin and oppression and the destruction of the image of God in our midst. So simply being ready for peace is not enough. Christ has called us to be willing to fight for peace and to sacrifice our comfort and our individual peace to bring about the lasting peace of redemption of both individual sinners and the world we inhabit.
We are ready to lay down our arms.
We are ready to start washing feet instead of waging war.
Scripture calls us to both ( John 13.14, 1 Tim. 6.12, Ephesians 6.10-17, James 4.4, etc.). We may not choose one over the other.
And if we cannot find that sort of peace within the Church, I fear we will look for it elsewhere.
I can only say that I plead with Christians not to be so arrogant as to think that they are too good for the Church God has chosen and is redeeming for Himself. She is your Mother, and if God loves her, so should you.
A final thought: Let's be honest here: it may seem plausible to be 'above it all' and to always search for the tertium quid, the third way. And often this is right. But we are at an impasse. Scripture speaks clearly on homosexual behavior, and it is not nearly so delicate as many of us seem to think necessary. On the other hand, Scripture also speaks with the utmost eloquence of the grace and peace and joy offered to those who will repent and trust Jesus to help them become the kind of humans he made them to be. We do no favors to our homosexual friends by softening Scripture's rebuke, any more than we would do a favor to a friend who committed adultery by hushing it up. The fact is that sin kills. It destroys. It debases humans. So if we love our brothers and sisters, we should speak straightforwardly on this issue. We can be kind, we can be winsome, but we cannot be cowardly. It is not love to hide behind modern notions of tolerance to avoid pain. And it is certainly not love to insist that any time other Christians speak to questions about homosexuality (whether via legislation regarding sanctioning homosexual unions or otherwise) that they are acting out of bigotry or self-interest.


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Lisa Carver, of Moxie Consulting in Little Rock, will discuss "Employer Expectations and Resume Writing" on Wednesday as part of Phi Beta Lambda's Community Speaker Series.
Ms. Carver's presentation begins at 11 a.m. Dec. 1 in the U.S. Bank Room A (first floor of the Information Technology building). The presentation is free and open to all Pulaski Tech students, faculty and staff.
Phi Beta Lambda is the college-level professional business organization of Future Business Leaders of America. The chapter conducts various service projects, activities, conferences, workshops, guest speaker events, networking opportunities, and annual competitive events that can help students build a portfolio of accomplishments and awards.
For more information, contact business instructor John Price, the chapter's co-adviser, at 501-812-2250.
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LAFAYETTE (AP) — A 50-year-old man from Georgia has pleaded guilty to possessing stolen U.S. mail.
U.S. Attorney Stephanie A. Finley said Tuesday that Terry Ulysses Morris, of Lithonia, entered the plea before U.S. District Judge Richard T. Haik.
Evidence shows authorities pulled Morris' vehicle over during a Jan. 18, 2012, traffic stop on Interstate 10 in Calcasieu Parish. A strong odor of marijuana prompted them to ask if they could search the car. After receiving permission, authorities found two sacks containing 216 U.S. Treasury checks that had not been cashed.
The checks were from Social Security Administration accounts with Georgia addresses. The checks' face value totaled $144,920.
Morris faces up to five years in prison, a $250,000 fine and three years of supervised release. A sentencing date has not been set.


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Normandy Weekend (+ a little more Belgian beer!)
Trip Start Apr 15, 2003
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We took a quick trip the last weekend of June, starting on Friday evening with the Beer Passion weekend in Antwerp, Belgium, followed by a drive to the Normandy coast in France Saturday - Monday. It was a lot of driving in a short time (8 hours each way), but it was a great weekend. We only wish we had had more time in Normandy. As it is we got to see the major sites, but could have used another day or two for a more thorough visit.
Our friend, Rick, who owns the Belgian beer bar, has been telling us for the past year that we should make a point to go to Beer Passion in Antwerp - and he was right! It was a very nice setup - inside one of the hangars beside the river that runs through the center of Antwerp. If the weather is nice you can go sit on the side of the wharf watching the sun set on the river. It's beautiful. Or, if the weather is bad, you can stay inside and listen to the band - which we did after the sun went down and it got cold.
The band was funny. We don't know what they were really called, but Melanie named them: Old Hippy Girl and the Ex-Bankers. The lead singer was an over-the-hill flower child and all of the band members looked like bankers - dressed in khaki pants and button down shirts and (mostly) in their 40s-50s. The bassist reminded Melanie of the ex-president of her bank in Chicago! Anyway, if you didn't look at them they sounded really good - played good ole rock standards: Rolling Stones, Tina Turner, etc., and provided a nice atmosphere.
As with most of these Belgian beer festivals, there were many different beers to sample. Three were made in the style of champagne and one of these actually even tasted very much like champagne. They also had beer cuisine available - different dishes cooked in beers. There was a choice of beef, chicken, salmon or a whitefish. It was delicious! We stayed at a boat-motel within walking distance so that transportation wouldn't be a problem.
On the way to Normandy, Chris wanted to stop at a place in the Flanders area of Belgium to pick up some 17th century brass candlesticks he had bought on eBay. Finding this place was a little difficult as the MapQuest directions were not very good and the place was actually in a little tiny town, but eventually we found it. The man who had sold the candlesticks to Chris has an antique store in his home. He is actually an expert on French and Flemish copper and pewter ware and has written a small book on the pewter specific to the Flanders area. He was a really nice guy and was very interesting to talk to. When he learned that we liked beer he insisted that we try his favorite beer (Grimbergen). Only problem for us was 1) it was 11:30 in the morning and 2) we had a 5 hour drive ahead so neither of us wanted the beer. It became clear that we were about to insult him if we didn't take something, so Chris asked if we could have some coffee instead. He made the coffee and then gave us the beer - unopened - to take with us and try later. When we were leaving, we asked for directions to the main road. He insisted that it was very complicated and he would drive us out to the interchange rather than give directions. It turned out that it *was* complicated and completely out of his way, but we were grateful for the direction. What a really, truly nice guy.
After spending more time than anticipated in Belgium, we finally arrived in Normandy at 6:30 Saturday night. Luckily we had made reservations at an old chateau which (even more luckily) was pretty easy to find so we checked in and headed directly for Omaha Beach. June 6, 2004 marked the 60th Annivesary of the actual landings. There are celebrations throughout Europe commemorating the liberation throughout the remainder of the year.
We were struck by several things at Omaha Beach. First, it's big. Second, it's beautiful. Initially it's hard to imagine a war here. It feels more like a quiet remote stretch of sand. Here is a view from the American Cemetary at Omaha Beach:
It was in 1944 and even more so now, a resort area for the French. It is especially popular with folks from Paris.
Then we thought about the images we've seen from war movies and footage and how truly difficult it would have been to cover such a large expanse of beach with the enemy firing down on you from above.
From the beach edge, turning around 180 degrees, it is also easy to imagine how difficult it would have been to scramble up the steep hillsides - again all under fire. There is a new commemorative sculpture in the middle of Omaha beach. It looks a bit odd having metal wings emerging from the sand, but the thought is a good one.
Next we drove further down the coast to Vierville-sur-Mer. This is one of the places where an artificial harbor was built to allow ships to bring in supplies after the beach was secured. Most of the barriers have been removed, but there are still a few remnants beached.
There is also a memorial to the U.S. National Guardsmen who served in World Wars I and II. The weather was poor - heavy rain off and on - but while we were eating dinner at a restaurant beside the beach the sun came out and there was a rainbow!
The restaurant we chose for dinner overlooked the beach and provided a really nice view. Melanie was drawn there not only by the view but also by the platters of "Fruits de Mur" (crab, oysters, mussels, lobster) sitting on many of the tables. It is common in France for restaurants to have fixed price menus in various price ranges and with varying choices. We didn't notice until toward the end of our meal that the middle menu was actually the better deal than the cheapest menu. Although it cost 6 Euro more, the food was of much higher quality. What we had was still good, though. We discovered that rice pudding (Chris' favorite) is actually a specialty of the region. We had it twice in 3 days! We also discovered a new, weight watcher's friendly, dessert that is a specialty of the region: Il Flottante (floating island). It's has whipped egg whites (probably with sugar) floating on a custard and drizzled with caramel. YUMMY!! Had that twice in 3 days too!
After dinner we drove on up the coast to Pointe du Hoc. This is a place where 200 men scaled the cliff to secure this area of the coast - again with people shooting down on them. What's cool about this place now is that the craters in the ground from the cannon bombardment have been left alone, so now the acre site has the feel of a grassy moonscape.
It would be a great place to bring kids - they can run all over jumping in and out of the craters. We were there close to sunset so the birds were doing their bedtime chirping and lots of rabbits were out playing. There's a monument at the point of the cliff, but we couldn't get close to it because the area was blocked off due to the crumbling cliff edge.
On Sunday we spent most of the day in the area of the D-Day beaches. First we went to the American cemetery where there are 9,386 graves of American military, most of whom gave their lives during and after the D-Day landings in World War II. We learned that 69% of the graves are now empty due to families having requested the return of the bodies of their kin. The cemetery is amazingly impressive. It's huge and really gives a sense of HOW MANY people (and this is only the Americans - there were also British, Canadians, and others) died during this period.
It is immaculately maintained with beautifully groomed lawns, but also more natural areas of bushes, shrubs and flowers. They must not use much pesticide or herbicide because songbirds were plentiful - chirping merrily away. The cemetery sits on top of the hillside overlooking Omaha Beach. It is possible to walk from the cemetery to the beach - which we did. Someone had left a letter and wreath in the dunes. This was probably left by someone who was there for the 60th year anniversary of the landings earlier in the month. The letter was titled: "The Price of Freedom". The photo. is of medics tending to soldier on the beach.
After the cemetery, were decided to go to Arromanches - another town on the coast where an artificial harbor was built. But we got sidetracked along the way and made a stop at a market in Port-en-Bessin-Huppain (another coastal town) where we bought fresh strawberries, sweet fresh apricots and luscious raspberries, bread baked that morning, local smelly cheeses and pear and apple cider - oh, and more rice pudding for Chris (and a meringue for Melanie)! The cider is a specialty of the region and comes in sweet, semi-sweet or dry, like champagne. We took our goods to a rock outcropping and had a marvelous picnic lunch overlooking the English channel. It was low tide so there were lots of locals out clamming and harvesting mussels, crabs and other sea creatures. We watched as they carried back buckets full of mussels! By the time we got to Arromanches we didn't have enough time to go through the museum because we wanted to be sure to have enough time at the main memorial museum in Caen. We took walked around the town a little bit, bought some postcards, viewed what remains of the artificial harbor, and headed on to Caen. Some British Veterans were still in town celebrating the anniversary of the landings.
The Memorial Museum in Caen is very well done. We had 3 hours until closing time and used all of it. We did not get to see the gardens in detail or one of the films, but otherwise saw everything. Dinner was in the nearby town of Bayeax. Melanie had mussels (had she seen these same ones carried out of the tide pools earlier that day?) and Chris had a really great ham in cider sauce. And, of course, Il Flottante for dessert!
Bayeaux itself retains its charming medieval center - full of half-timbered houses and other buildings. It also has a famous "tapestry" as well as a beautiful cathedral - both of which we visited on Monday.
After breakfast of bread, cheese and fruit from the previous day's market, it was time to make our way back toward Amsterdam - with a few stops along the way. The first of these was in Bayeaux to view the famous Bayeaux Tapestry. The "tapestry" is actually a 270 foot long embroidered cloth made in the year 1070 and tells the story of William the Conqueror's conquest of England and the Battle of Hastings, including why William felt he had to invade, the preparations made for the battle and the battle itself. It is amazing that almost 1,000 years later the colors of the "tapestry" are still bright and the cloth itself is still in very good condition. There are lots of details embroidered into the 270 foot long artwork including Haley's comet!
CHATEAU du BOSQ
The place where we stayed, Chateau du Bosq, was a little bit rundown, but had a lot of character. The woman who runs the place speaks absolutely no English and we speak absolutely no French, so that was a challenge. Still it was amazing how much we managed to communicate just be trying very hard to understand each other, a bit of charades, and having some idea of the topic at hand. The chateau has a moat, complete with swans - including one youngster who didn't quite have it's beauty yet (sorta like the fairy tale). There were also horses in the pasture and a turret with a clock in the tower. And there was a REALLY LOUD FROG. That's right. This frog sounded like a car alarm that went off all night. It had endurance and strength. Periodically one of us would wake up in the night thinking that it had stopped croaking and it would promptly start again. How did it know we had noticed it stopped? Anyway, it really didn't keep us up any more than we would have been up anyway due to Chris' coughing (he had a bad cold), so it actually added to the atmosphere of the whole place.
On the way back to Amsterdam we stopped for lunch in Honfleur. This was a charming fishing town with beautiful old buildings lining the wharf. More fresh mussels for lunch! And, since no trip is complete without a full-blown Hunt for Red October, Honfleur was the location of this trip's "Red." Chris was determined to find a grocery store to buy more cheeses and cider at local (not tourist) prices. We spent over an hour wandering through not very nice grocery stores and trying to get directions to nicer ones from people who only spoke French. Finally, just after 4:00, we struck gold (or should we say RED!) and found a large grocery full of exactly the cheeses and ciders we were looking for. At 4:45, with almost 7 hours of driving ahead of us, we headed home - arriving before midnight.
We really enjoyed the Normandy region. It was a great weekend of interesting sites, wonderful food, and very warm people. We definitely didn't mind arriving home late in order to have such a nice visit.
Melanie & Chris
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saltedm8 good to see you too! How's the web game treating you? I'm quite busy but I can hopefully give you some pointers.
Thanks Mrs Gibba, Chanr, michelle26 the quickpost is staying.
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Thanks for that Eric,do tell Bob and the designer that they ve done a grand job with the website .
I do have one other suggestion.......
as the last school year progressed there were a number of students that were on the forum asking for help with their GCES/AS/A level course work.I think that maybe some of the teachers are suggesting that they look up the forum pages.
Whist I think that this is good there were a number of students who asked the same questions.I had wondered about suggesting a designated page link for GCSE/AS/A level help and questions.This might prevent the same questions being asked over and over again. It would allow the school students access to the forum and as well a defined are where they could obtain help from each other or other forum members .
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Aloha Bobs and Eric.. Just a suggestion, it could be in the works as we speak, but you should make a FAQ section for each forum.. With topics that are FAQ.. Also in regards about the avatars.. I know there use to me in the help section about them, but not many people read that, so maybe if it was placed in the forums and made sticky..
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Is there a reason why I can't find the wave smile? It's not there.
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Aloha Cutez.. At the moment the smileys haven't been updated.. I'm sure once Eric and Bobs have time they will be.. To get the wave smiley for the time being, type:
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Great new site! Love the layout, the code, the PunBB integration, the RSS feeds, the content....uhmm actually I like everything! Congrats with this new site!
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Hi Eric!
Thanks for changing the colour/font on the threads/topics. Much easier to read now
BTW the "Jump to forum" doesn't work when using Opera....
BTW 2 how do you change the font to bold in the text? HTML-Tags?
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I have a few interface problems when using mozilla as my browser can you help any. It keeps logging me out when I try to move to a forum.
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considering used mini-14 are asking $900--
LOL! the AK don't look too shabby to me
CongratsIt is done. On layaway. She will be mine soon!
"Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem" Ronald Reagan
considering used mini-14 are asking $900--
LOL! the AK don't look too shabby to me
Hey fellers! Been away from the computer, had the flu, home sick all week, but I did drag my sorry carcass down to the gun/pawn store and picked her up wed. I detail cleaned it and there was some rust that I didnt see at first. Looks like the preveous owner was a sweaty bastard that didnt clean it before putting it away. Mag, mag release, front sight base had rust spots, and some were pitted. Well, pits are no match for the mtdew! Some careful sanding and touch up bluing and all is well. I wish they would have taken care of it. Now, would it kill the value to sand blast and cerakote this thing? I prefer a bake on finish to the bluing. Anyway, I'm still not sure I'm well enough to go out and shoot in this cold rain, but I will do it soon.
Clan MacPherson
if memory severs me, these were blued I would keep it blued
but thats me also i would spend the extra and get the right Norinco mags for it, Yes I know they are $90 plus a piece, but again thats me.
Sprat and sprat1 are one and the same.
If it was mine I'd leave it in the original finish. I like the fact that the Norincos are blued because it makes the point that they bothered to do some metal prep when they made them.
But that's just me. It's yours now! You can do what ever you want. Get well and go shoot it.
Yeah, its blued. I just like the easier to care for bake on finishes. But you are right I need to leave it alone. And on the mags I found out that the norinco mags are kinda like saiga mags, the norinco uses the mag as a bullet guide. My bulgy mags work, but the bullet nose hits just below the chamber. No biggie for fmj, it has a bevel below the chamber, but soft point bullets get there noses banged up.
Clan MacPherson
Ok, your stuck inside with the flu so you're jacking live rounds through an Ak in the living room.
I do that too. In fact it doesn't even bother my wife. But I don't want her to do it.lol
How can you tell a Norinco mag apart from the rest? Is there a star on them or something?
The Chinese Norinco .223 mags are flatback and are blued. Polytech mags differ a bit in configuration and often to not interchange without mod..
5.56/.223 AK mags tend to be proprietary and often do not intercgange. Weiger, Romanian, Chinese etc. Bulgarian waffle 5.56 will work in a type 84 with a bit of fitting.


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Last year we tried starting 3 new hives. (Haven't had bees in over 25 years) We lost all 3 due to the drought and heat. We brought the boxes in to a lumber storage area beside our wood shop and when I started inspecting them in Jan. we had wax moths. We have since cleaned up all the frames after freezing them each for 2 weeks. I have them all in the wood shop and I don't want this problem next winter. We are getting 3 nukes from a local club member installed in my boxes.
I remember reading some were about an insert with a slide out tray to replenish the product used to keep moths at bay. Does any one have plans for this insert and what was/is used to keep moths out. I know there is one type of moth balls that should NOT be used so I don't want to get the wrong type.
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mega hand strength really comes from the wrists (hello limp wristing), wrist curls as well as the grip master are what you need to be doing to improve hand strength.
As for the Glock, it's got a chunky grip and if it's too large for your hand it's going to be hard to get a proper hold on it. The 19 is also going to have a heavier recoil spring than a 17 etc. which will hurt cycling where limp wristing issues are present. You can try a reduced power spring from Wolff and see if that makes a difference, however the felt recoil may increase. A grip reduction on the gun might also be in order (or try a Gen 4 when they come out)
Arm extended and from the hip/chest retention are all positions you should be working on. When I shoot one handed from a "combat stance" I am still squared off to the target with my right arm extended and wrist slightly canted to the left let your hands have naturally at your sides and raise your right arm up and you'll see your wrist is slightly canted. Also work the one handed stance with a bent arm.


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|Merianstr, 80637 München, Germany
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The whole apartment has about 45 squares meters and is on the 2nd floor (without elevator) of a quiet housing area. You'll find a kitchen with washing machine, dishwasher and cooker. The bathroom has toilet and a bathtub.
The apartment is located in the district called Neuhausen. Neuhausen is the district in the north west of Munich between the Olympiapark (1 km) and the historic center (3 km). The area is really safe and a lot of families live there. But only a few minutes per walk you have nightlife with all the restaurants and bars.
Munich has a very efficient public transportation system (underground, bus and tramway). The next tramway station is only 3 minutes away. The city of Munich has a lot of attractions to offer for all ages and tastes. Whether you are interested in history, architecture or art.
It is also famous for its Oktoberfest in September. In a day trip you can also go to the famous castles in Neuschwanstein, Chiemsee, etc. Enjoy also the nature in the Bavarian Alps or in the Bavarian Forest.
House rulesTreat the apartment like you would treat your own.
Smoking is not permitted in the apartment
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Kathrin sweet person, your apartment is well located, clean with all the necessary facilities for a good stay, public transport, easy access, supermarkets, but from the central station, I recommend this apartment candy for a phenomenal stay in munich .
Location was excellent and host was extremely friendly and informative. Highly recommended!
I thoroughly enjoyed my 4 month stay here. The apartment is spacious, cosy and in an ideal location for exploring Munich. Kathrin is the perfect host - very friendly and accommodating with regards to check-in and check-out times. I would definitely return and would highly recommend a stay here.
Kathrin was very helpful in answering all of my questions our arrival. She was also quite flexible with the check-in and check-out time. We were a bit early and she made us welcomed right away, provided us with information on the area, and even left a few items for a meal. Apartment was exactly as stated in the description.
I was traveling with a friend to Munich during opening week of a Oktoberfest, so lodging in the area was scarce. Our plan was to use the couch as an extra bed. This arrangement turned out to be very uncomfortable for us because the couch did not make a good bed. The apartment is more suited to a couple or those who do not mind sharing a bed.
super easy processing, apartment is perfect for 2 people, nice landlady! Gladly again!
super unkomplizierte abwicklung, Wohnung ist perfekt für 2 Personen, nette vermieterin! Gerne wieder mal!
Beautiful, very cozy, beautifully decorated, super clean. Public transport and close easily.
We have come at any time. To recommend.
Thanks for everything :-)
Wunderschön, sehr gemütlich, schön dekoriert, super sauber. Öffentlichen Transportmitteln ganz einfach und in der Nähe.
Wir wurden jeder zeit wieder kommen. Zu empfehlen.
Vielen Dank für alles :-)
We maintain very happy and thank you
Wir wahren sehr zufrieden und bedanken uns
Thank you! It all works great! Of the reservation request to the key collection. The centrally located, yet quiet apartment was very clean, fresh linens and plenty of towels. Even a welcome package with an emergency ration spaghetti and coffee! Thank you so much for your hospitality. We would love to come again. Best regards Ramon & Andrea
Vielen Dank! Es hat alles super funktioniert! Von
der Reservationsanfrage bis zur Schlüsselabgabe.
Die zentral gelegene und trotzdem ruhige Wohnung war top sauber, frische Bettwäsche
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Vielen vielen Dank für die Gastfreundschaft.
Wir kommen gern wieder mal.
Liebe Grüsse
Super cute apartment, very friendly Gastgerberin, I'm happy to go back there. I felt very comfortable.
Super süsse Wohnung, sehr freundliche Gastgerberin, komme gerne wieder dort hin. Habe mich sehr wohl gefühlt.
The hostess nice, friendly, helpful and uncomplicated, the apartment really is a gem. Better not!
Die Gastgeberin nett, freundlich, hilfsbereit und unkompliziert, die Wohnung wirklich ein Schmuckstück. Besser geht nicht!
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Although the word "Allergy" is commonly used to describe any unpleasant reaction to a drug, food, insect sting, or chemical, this can be misleading. The word should really only be used to describe a reproducible reaction that involves the production of IgE antibodies.
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Like many people, I'm at my local shops every day. I tread a well-worn path between the Post shop, the bakery and the supermarket. And when I venture out I'm invariably on a mission. I have a list, a firm deadline - and no time whatsoever to squander on the people representing charities and other worthy causes who seem intent on slowing me down.
I must have entered a state known as "charity fatigue" but I'm never sure how best to respond to someone shaking a plastic bucket or holding a clipboard. You can avoid eye contact and hurry on past. You can smilingly shake your head or say you'll be back later. You can say you've got no spare cash or that you've already given to the collector on the other corner.
Charities have two key problems when it comes to street appeals. The first is the fact that few people carry cash these days. Electronic banking is such a part of our lives I've long been predicting the demise of old-fashioned street collectors.
I know I seldom have coins on me; I even pay parking fees by text. Perhaps charities of the future will arm their volunteers with portable Eftpos terminals.
Another issue facing charities is that some street corners are well and truly overworked. Some sites are so coveted that they're used every weekday of every year. While the location may represent fresh pickings as far as one particular collector for one particular charity on one particular day is concerned, locals may feel thoroughly jaded from being targeted each and every time they pass this spot.
I've had a few memorable encounters over the years. Most notable was the young Greenpeace guy outside the National Bank who asked if I had a few minutes to spare. "Not at the moment, thank you," I replied. All would have been well if my progress hadn't immediately been impeded by a busy road and a red light at a pedestrian crossing.
As I waited to cross, the Greenpeace gentleman proceeded to mock me and do a little dance right in front of me. "Not at the moment, thank you. Not at the moment, thank you," he parroted in a French accent as his dreadlocks bounced up and down. It was awkward. I'd never been so glad to see the signal to cross so I could escape his singsong, passive-aggressive (and surely uncalled for) mimicry.
It's not all bad though. The young men raising funds for disabled athletes are unfailingly polite. Once while leaving the supermarket I tried to give them a $5 note. To my surprise they insisted that they couldn't accept it. Evidently unless I purchased the raffle ticket or filled out their paperwork they weren't permitted to take any money. Another time, while a band from the North Shore played for spare change outside our local supermarket, I wondered what could possibly have inspired them to journey across the Harbour Bridge and spurn at least four closer New Worlds before reaching this one.
It's clearly a challenge for charities and other worthy causes to keep their street appeals relevant. To assist with this mission I'd like to suggest they consider whether particular sites have become stale through overuse. Also perhaps local groups should think about fund-raising in their own communities rather than cynically looking further afield. And, finally, maybe charities should advise their street representatives that mocking passers-by might not be the most effective way of promoting their cause. It's just a thought.
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what fabric do you use for the backing i would appreceite any help thanks dorothy from tenn
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what fabric do you use for the backing i would appreceite any help thanks dorothy from tenn
I usually use muslin but have used sheets, and have also used scrappy large blocks or pieced the backing. It's whatever suits you.
I have used bed sheets, flannel, fleece, broadcloth, muslin and regular 100% cotton fabric.
I use what suits the purpose of the quilt.
I usually go to my LQS & buy the 108" wide fabric they sell for quilt backs. They come in several colors & patterns. I can always find something that matches just perfectly. Hope this is of help to you.
Like everyone else here I have used just about averything and anything. I just completed a quilt this past weekend and I used extra thick fleese as the backing for added warmth. I have a topper on the frame now that I purchsed in a sale and it had a lot of rough spots and I knew I would never be able to sell it, so I am using it to practive using the pattern perfect templates and I am just using a sheet as the backing on it.
I have also for batting used old fleese blankets that no one in the house wanted anymore, I just use a lint shaver and get all the fuzzies off them and sandwich them right on in there. So the old blanke gets a second life that way.
Use whatever you are comfortable with.
I use fabric that compliments the top. I will piece it with fabrics from the top or I will find something that goes with the binding that I use.
I prefer to use quilt fabric on the back as well as the front, by that I mean, not sheets, as I do hand quilting. Sheets are usually woven tighter than good quilt fabric, so it is more difficult to hand quilt. I also like the color and interest a good fabric will give me for the back of the quilt. You get two for one if you can flip the quilt over sometimes. :lol:
Quilting fabric, fleece, minkee, and flannel all work great.
Flannel sheets work ok, too.
I have done enough charity quilts using recycled sheets that we have now banned them. The thread counts are so high, that the needle breaks the threads instead of sliding in between the weave. The quilting leaves little holes allover the back. Even thought they are used for charity quilts, we (the guild that makes them) still like them to look nice.
I have also seen problems with *some* batiks as backs. The weave on *some* is also just like percale sheets- so tight that the threads are broken.
Sewbatik.com has the 108" wide batik backs. This fabric is made for quilters, and is very, very nice! Their flannel is the normal 40" wide, is the most luxurious flannel I've ever felt.
For those of you who need quilting done, I am running a special that involves the SewBatik wide backs. PM me if interested.
i have used flannels!
I use good cotton quilting fabrics and piece the back. I like to compliment what is on the front of the quilt. I don't like using muslin, or sheets. I have only used the 108" wide stuff once, it worked great, just doesn't come in very many patterns. Most of my backs are fabrics that I have bought on clearance for really good prices and I buy ahead of time alot, as I tend to use many of the same color families.


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The Pequot Lakes School Board decided Monday night, Aug. 19, that it will begin funding girls' hockey immediately.
Superintendent Chris Lindholm recommended funding the program, which has been funded by the Red Line Club boosters program since 2008.
The board amended its policy for adding school-sponsored activities last February, outlining parameters for an activity to be added as school-sponsored.
Lindholm said girls' hockey meets each of those parameters, including: the activity currently exists at the youth level, the activity has participants to sustain the program now and into the future, the district has the necessary facilities needed to offer the activity, the activity complies with gender equity standards, area schools offer the activity allowing for the scheduling of events, and the activity has the approval of the school board.
Lindholm focused on gender equity, saying that if, in the end, the district shows it has equal participation for both girls and boys, gender equity is being met. Currently the district has more boys participating in athletics than girls, and Lindholm said girls' hockey could even that out.
He said the cost to the school's general fund would be around $10,000 annually.
In other business Monday, the board:
• Made several staffing changes. The board accepted the resignations of Theresa Beavers, paraprofessional; Mike Plummer, middle level football coach; and Jennifer Quam, Kid Konnection paraprofessional. The board accepted the retirement of Judy Skinner, custodian.
The board hired Alison Ross, middle level counselor; Melissa Flemmer, middle level ALC instructor/academic interventionist; Stacie Papenfuss, school nurse; Cassandra Amsden, who is moving from half-time to full-time teacher; Teri Peterson, speech pathologist; Mike Bajczyk, assistant volleyball coach; Glenda Swenson, food service staff; Rich Pederson, bus driver; and numerous paraprofessionals.
• Announced its truth in taxation meeting will be at 6 p.m. Dec. 16.


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Andrew Lyke is the Director of the Office for Black Catholics. He and his wife are co-founders of ArusiNetwork. From 1999 to 2009 he was the Coordinator of Marriage Ministry for the Archdiocese.
The Archdiocese of Chicago's website dedicated to Fr. Augustus Tolton's Cause for Canonization, www.toltoncanonization.org, notes February 24, 2011, as the Proclamation and first session of the Cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Father Augustus Tolton. It is quite amazing how much has transpired in less than two years. Bishop Joseph N. Perry, Postulator for the Cause of Fr. Tolton, has been working tirelessly, and his dedication and enthusiasm is contagious. One year after the first session, the Vatican's Sacred Congregation for Causes of Saints granted the title of "Servant of God" to our very own Father Tolton. For the many who are familiar with his life story, we are not surprised that the Vatican has bestowed the title which best describes the life he lived.
Bishop Perry reports that the Tribunal in Rome is taking witness testimonies indicating that Fr. Tolton has been consistently in the memory and prayers of the faithful. He is in conversation with the Roman Postulator, Dr. Andrea Ambrosi, and has offered approximately thirty testimonies regarding favors granted through Father Tolton's intercession. Two of the favors are extraordinary. Locally, all concerned with the health of Cardinal George as he undergoes chemotherapy have been asked to say the prayer asking for Father Tolton's intercession specifically for the intention of the Cardinal's health and healing. Twenty-seven documents have been discovered in the archives of the Propaganda Fide which speak to Fr. Tolton's character, life, and his own words. Bishop Perry is also in conversation with the Urban College in Rome where Fr. Tolton attended seminary.
The Cause is not only gaining great momentum in Rome. In Chicago, where this holy Servant of God labored and died, devotion is rapidly spreading. Fr. Tolton's life story is proving to be both comforting and inspirational to multitudes from various walks of life. In these past two years, there have been three pilgrimages to Quincy, IL, and Brush Creek, MO. On April 14, 2012, the inaugural Fr. Tolton Pilgrimage-Chicago took place. Sites included the locations of the historical Old St. Mary's and St. Monica's churches. Solemn prayer took place where Fr. Tolton disembarked the train at 35th and Lake Park and a procession was made to where he then fell after succumbing to the severe heat. Highlights included a prayer service in the chapel of Mercy Hospital where Fr. Tolton died at the age of 43. One of the most touching moments of the Chicago pilgrimage was the prayer and placing of flowers at the gravesite of Fr. Tolton's mother, Martha Jane, and his sister, Anne, at Mount Olivet cemetery. Fr. Tolton is now visible throughout the city of Chicago because light pole banners have been designed and installed at four locations.
It is extremely encouraging that inquiries are coming in from around the world for Fr. Tolton prayer cards and brochures.
This year's Gala for the Cause for Sainthood of Father Augustus Tolton will take place on Friday, October 19th. A wonderful evening has been planned, which includes a "lively" silent auction, the Seton Academy Jazz Ensemble, emceed program, the presenting of the 2012 Martha Jane Tolton Award, D.J. Senegal and dancing. For more information, and to rsvp and pay online, please visit the Office for Black Catholics website www.blackcatholicchicago.org. Although much has been accomplished, much still needs to be done. The journey continues! Please join us as we travel this sacred path with Fr. Augustus Tolton, from slavery to sainthood.
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Hey, thanks for sharing this post on Father Augustus Tolton. I have heard the bishops call to pray for father tolton to intercede on behalf of our beloved cardinal george during his time of struggle to regain his health. What a great day it will be for Chicago and the world when we have another Saint in heaven praying and singing God's praise and glory and praying for all those alive and in need of help & healing. Earnestly praying for the cause and canonization of one of chicago's very own priests that touched people's lives in his own time and has continued to do so even after death. May he be declared a Saint soon!Timothy canezaro
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(May 13, 2005)--At age 68, Louis Manz is living proof of the adage, "You're never too old to learn something new."
On Saturday, Manz will receive his fifth degree -- this one is UTSA's first doctoral degree awarded in environmental science in engineering. Manz already earned his bachelor's and master's degrees in civil engineering at UTSA, after retiring as an Air Force colonel following a 25-year career.
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His contributions to UTSA are numerous, not only as a student but also as an educator and researcher. He taught classes in the College of Engineering and involved UTSA in a humanitarian effort with the Episcopal Diocese of West Texas to provide clean and safe drinking water for poverty stricken Hondurans.
"Seeing the people draw fresh water from a well we built was one of the most exciting things I have ever done in my life," said Manz. "We expect to complete 25 wells in different Honduran villages."
The research project has provided for the drilling of 12 new water wells and has blossomed into a partnership with the University of Honduras (UNAH), an institution with an enrollment of more than 80,000 students.
In October 2004, Manz joined UTSA President Ricardo Romo, UNAH Rector Guillermo Perez Cadalso Arias and Weldon Hammond, UTSA Amy Shelton and V.H. McNutt Distinguished Professor and Center for Water Research director, in Honduras to sign an agreement for both institutions to cooperate in water-resource research and address the problems of water supply in rural areas of Honduras. The collaboration allows faculty from both universities to develop research projects and plan joint courses, conferences, seminars, symposiums and lectures.
In March, Manz welcomed three UNAH engineering faculty members to tour the UTSA campus and view the Center for Water Research laboratories. He presented them with the findings from his dissertation on improving water, and an agreement was reached to collaborate on three research projects.
One project will study the water quality in rural Honduras to determine the source of the contamination and another will analyze the watershed run-off to determine how much rainfall is being deposited into local streams. The final project will study the water characterization of aquifers in the region.
According to Manz, news is spreading of the UTSA Center for Water Research project that has assisted 4,500 residents in the villages of Honduras.
"We are being asked to assist in drilling water wells in several other countries as well as other regions in Honduras," said Manz.
Manz credits his success to the support of Kathleen, his wife of 47 years, and their three children. Kathleen Manz, also a UTSA educator, followed his lead and enrolled at UTSA where she earned a master's degree in English as a second language.


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Another early start. Lots of people on the bus but most of them heading for the rafting trip. As a result was initially wandering if I had gotten on the right bus. In the end only two other people were doing the same tour as me and they were a couple of austrian girls who had done the same tour as me the day before.
Upon arriving at the place where the rafting trip started we were given a buffie breakfast and then put on another bus with our guide. After a couple of hours drive ended up at a banana plantation where we were explained what happens.
Could see people cutting the bananas from the clusters. These then dropped into some water where the first quality check was done
Interesting to note that they want to keep the bannanas green and that they do this by covering the clusters with blue plastic bags that keep the sun from getting to them.
Also managed to see a rihnosaurous beetle which some guy was carrying around on a stick.
Next stop after this was a tropical garden. Started out by looking for and finding some red frogs. While not poisonous to the touch, eating food after touching them, without washing hands, might cause you some serious health problems. Here we saw lots of different tropical plants and flowers. Some of which I had come across before . Also finally managed to see a sloth up in one of the nearby trees as well as a humming bird flittering through the garden.
Another hour or so and we reached the river where we got a boat to the National park. Another nice boat ride with the jungle on either side of the river. Again saw lots of water birds, a few monkeys in the trees as well as some caimens (aligators?) swimming in the water.
Had some free time when we reached the lodge which was quite nice with the bungalows sitting on stilts in the middle of the jungle
Took the boat out to the town where we headed down to the beach. At the right time of year its possible to see turtle eggs getting laid or little turtles coming out of the sand and making the dash for the ocean. Instead only saw a few holes where previous nests had been. Seems its important where the nests are (need some shade from trees) since the temperature of the eggs needs to be controlled.
Next had some free time to wander around the town which wa spretty much like any other small carribean town. Most interesting thing I found was this spider by the side of the road. Definately trippy looking.
After town headed back to the lodge and ended the night with dinner which was included in the tour. Stomach at this point which had been feeling a bit dodgey in the morning seems to be getting worse and staring to find it harder to eat. Chatted with the girls a bit and then called it a night
Day 2 - Tortuguerro NP Hike, Cano Moro and Cano Harlod
Had an early start to visit the National PArk by boat. After getting the tickets headed to Cano Moro and Cano Harlod. Took our time and along the way saw lots of birds as well as a few caimen swimming and sitting in the reeds. Get the feeling that if we had gone out earlier in san Carlos (say sunset) might have had more luck finding caimen there with the better light.
While travelling along saw a boat load of people getting excited and went to have a look. Ended up finding a big python sitting in a tree by the river. From here followed along up the canals and saw an iguana up in the trees followed by a duck bill heron building it nest before we started heading back. Found the guide to be quite good at spotting wildlife. Guess experience helps.
Didnt eat much breakfast because my stomach cant hold it down and I am feeling like crap.
After breakfast headed to the park and started walking along the track through the park. Managed to find some spider monkeys along the way and made it down to the beach and turtle nest again before we had to turn around due to the rest of the track loop being closed. Enjoyable enough walk but have walked lots of jungles by now and nothing particularly new along the way.
Headed back and the girls and guide took the boat back since they were only doing a single night tour. I on the other habd had planned to go back and explore the cannals with a kayak, Was feeling crap and barely touch lunch so decided to pop some antibiotics to try and help my gut out, Also a blocker so I could go out.
After lunch I also found out it would cost me and extra $25 to get back. They said it was the fault of the guys who sold me the ticket but my guess is that they made a mistake and since their own tour boat was heading back and there would be no boat available to take me back the next day. Rather than paying the cost they decided to make me pay for their mistake. Dont think I would of hung around if I had known about the extra costs.
Feeling a bit weak but decided to paddle out for a couple of hours anyways
Had a nice paddle back to the cannal and up the second cannal we didnt go up the last time. Not as many birds around but I did see a lot of turtles sunning themselves. Also managed to find some caimens sunning themselves on a log as well as lots of monkeys moving through the trees by the river.
Ended up eating very little for dinner since my stomach couldnt handle then called it an early night.
Day 3 - Transit to Puerto Viejo
Should probably of gotten up early to go for a paddle but not really in the mood. Instead decided to go for a walk along the trail I had found the first day that lead into the jungle. Followed the trail for a bit and then it disappeared. Wandered around a bit but decided I didnt have enough time to go exploring. Especially if I was going to get lost and need to find my way back.
While waiting for breakfast someone pointed out a sloth in a nearby tree which I watched for a bit
Had fun on the boat trip back. Was sitting at the front of the boat and since the guy was driving so fast this was 0.5 to 1 meter about the water. Unlike the tour boat, this boat was built for speed. Also interesting how we hit some spots where the water was so shallow that the motor had to be tilted up and the boat had to basically look for some sort of channel and then the motor went bonto trying to push the boat through it.
Boat was heading to Moin while I ended up having to get off at the gas station. Thankfully saw the shuttle I had to catch otherwise would have stayed on the boat and ended up somewhere I shouldnt have. Not good when you have a connecting shuttle. Also found out I had been ripped off $5 by the boat since I paid $30 and should have got $5 change which they failed to bother giving back.
Ended up being taken back to the place where the white water rafting gear was stored and had lunch before waiting nearly and hour for my shuttle ride to Puerto Viejo.


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Dinner for the family!
Hi guys, I am cooking a meal for my family this weekend and I am really stuck on what to make. Has anyone got any quick and delicious ideas? Thank you!
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Re: Dinner for the family!
Welcome to the forum chezlauren98
First of all , do you think you can edit your post to remove your age , this is a very open site and its best to keep personal details out of your posts .
There is an edit ' button' at the base of your pots just click on that , edit and repost .
Before we can give you some suggestions if would help to know what country you live in and what sort of things you like to cook or what sort of things that your family like to eat .
How many people are in your family ?
Does anyone have any food allergies ?
Once we know its much easier to help you .
I'm in Wales UK and its winter here so my mind is on warning foods these days , not too good if you are living on a sunny climate !
Do you have a slow cooker in your kitchen ?
All questions sorry !
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Re: Dinner for the family!
chezlauren98 posted this enquiry under Ask me a Cooking Question, where I have already posted a suggestion(s).
#4 Thu 10 Jan 13 2:56pm
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Re: Dinner for the family!
Hi Mummza,
Thank you so much for replying, I edited the post (as you can probally see!). I realised as soon as I posted that I shouldn't have written that but couldn't work out how to edit it, so thank you for the help!
I am living in Texas but have recently moved from Kuala Lumpur so my family is VERY comfortable with asian flavours. I am in love with cooking and so really.... i would enjoy cooking anything! There are five people in my family and we will all eat ANYTHING so I don't need to worry about certain ingredients or flavours, also there are no allegies so that makes it easier aswell. My family love asian and indian flavours and are not too fond of the average american cuisine.
The weather is quite chilly at the moment (by my South Eastern Standards!!) but probally not as cold as where you are! Oh and We do own a slow cooker
Thank you so much for your time!
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Re: Dinner for the family!
COPIED this over for you from the Ask Jamie a question thread to make it easier for you to find Lauren .
Sounds like you are planning to cook this .
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chezlauren98: here's an idea.
Put a tin of tomatoes in an oven dish. Season with salt, pepper and sugar, and add some crushed garlic if you like.
Get some chicken breasts or thighs with the skin on and sit them in the tomatoes so that the skin is facing up. Rub a little oil on the skins and sprinkle with salt.
Bake in a hot oven (220C/450F) for 20-30 minutes. When it's done, the skin will be brown and bubbly and the chicken will be the same colour all the way through - cut one open to check.*
Serve with rice, pasta or boiled potatoes and a green vegetable like peas or green beans, or a green salad (just because it looks good).
That's a favourite simple meal for when I want to look like I'm being fancy but don't want to do anything too complicated. You can do the same thing with skin-on fish fillets, but it will cook quicker (15-20min). And you can use a jarred pasta sauce, or any sauce, it doesn't have to be tomato. Hope it helps!
*Usually you'd check the chicken is done by poking it and seeing if the juices run clear - but you can't do that when there's tomato sauce everwhere!
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text: I would ask your vet! The traveling might just be too much for that kitty! I know that at the vet clinic I worked at (I'm a vet tech) we would often get older and infirmed pets in for boarding. Does your vet offer boarding? If so, if anything untoward happened, your vet would be right there to treat. So much more is involved when you have a geriatric cat who has CKD. Also, cats who are stressed and not at home will often refuse to eat or drink. I'm concerned that if you are out on the road and this happens, your cat may require an IV bolus of fluids. This is really something you need to discuss with your vet, IMHO.


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