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[quote user="mjg407"]This team played with more heart this game than the last two. When it comes to facing Rhomo and the girls, I dunno. Which team shows up?
What the hell was with rushing just three? This reminds me of the pre-spags D days.
Steel on target with that statement
Under TC this team's identity is Jekyll or Hyde with no foreseeable catalyst to either
Fewell was trying to mix things up. Aaron is a MASTER at picking apart defenses and Fewell was scarping the bottom of the barrel for anything. And the D still surrenders 38 points. Pretty telling ain't it?

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You want to create string using a mixture of literals and computed values. For example you want to display the current date is the string "Today's date is "
Make use of Erlang's generic display procedure and variable argument list. For an easy case (displaying date and time), we can make use of the httpd_util:rfc1123_date function to get a string date, and the built-in concatenation (++) operator to construct the string we want:
1> BBBB = "Today's date and time is " ++ httpd_util:rfc1123_date() ++ ".\n". "Today's date and time is Fri, 20 Aug 2004 22:03:13 GMT.\n"
Other cases require that you use the generic io_lib formatting functions to create strings with the data you want. For example, we could achive the same result as follows:
1> YEAR=2004. 2004 2> MONTH="Aug". "Aug" 3> DAY=20. 20 4> DAYSTR="Fri". "Fri" 5> io:fwrite("~s ~s, ~s ~w ~w.\n", ["Today's date is", 5> DAYSTR, MONTH, DAY, YEAR]). Today's date is Fri, Aug 20 2004.
If we wanted to be fancy, we could also use httpd_util:month function to get the correct month name:
6> MNTH=8. 8 7> io:fwrite("~s ~s, ~s ~w ~w\n", 7> ["Today's date is", DAYSTR, httpd_util:month(MNTH), DAY, YEAR]). Today's date is Fri, Aug 20 2004


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EH-Net Compromise?!?!
EH-Net was compromised a few months back, and we are asking all members to immediately change their passwords. Although we do not hold any sensitive data such as social security numbers, credit card numbers, date of birth, etc., we still realize that, although it is not recommended, some members may use the same password for social sites such as our as they do for more personally sensitive sites. If this is the case, please immediately change those passwords, too, and make both follow complexity guidelines.
We apologize for the late notification, but while we were in the process of cleaning the mess, we did not want the attackers to be notified. Our intention was to prevent multiple notifications and required actions by our members. Although we feel very comfortable in the status of the site and had planned on notifying all members, someone beat us to the punch. http://www.milw0rm.com/papers/297. We are providing this link, so that our members can see that a select few accounts and their passwords have been released to the public. We do not know how many more they have or will make public. This makes it even more urgent to change your passwords.
We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused. Although many other sites have experienced the same issues, and we are clearly a target based on the content of the site, this in no way excuses us for this incident.
Donald C. Donzal
The Ethical Hacker Network"
EH-Net staff waited over eight months to let members know about the compromise? According to the milw0rm release, the compromise occurred before "Jul 16 18:05:29 CEST". I got a notice today (Feb 28, 2009) about the compromise. This means that members of EH-Net or registrants for ChicagoCon may have had their account information in the hands of black hats for 8 moths. Forum and conference registrants trusted EH-Net to keep their account details secure (it is a security organization after all). At the very least they should have known about the compromise as soon as it happened so they could be given the opportunity to change passwords shared with other accounts. Instead they're notified almost a year after the fact. This sort of scenario is *exactly* why so many states have passed mandatory notification laws - to protect consumers from circumstances where trusted vendors lose their information but don't notify the customers.


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Editor's choice:
apple.com, £849
When it comes to lightweight portability in a gorgeous, super-thin aluminium design, the Air, with its 11in display, is hard to beat. This year's models have exceptional battery life, too.
pcworld.co.uk, £999.99
The 13.3in display is both high resolution and touchsensitive, to make the most of the new Windows 8 software. This Ultrabook – a lightweight laptop – has decent battery life and looks great.
Knomo Henderson Slim Briefcase
knomobags.com, £195
Great for keeping your laptop safe, as every Knomo bag has a unique tracker ID so, if you lose it, the finder can contact the company which will help return it to you.
amazon.co.uk, £159.99
If you are taking notes from a conversation, the Livescribe pen records what you hear. Then, if you can't read your writing, touch the words with the pen and it plays the audio.
johnlewis.com, £719
Microsoft's first tablet is solid and powerful with a high-resolution 10.6in display and stereo speakers. So it's a good multimedia player as well as a full Windows 8 computer.
johnlewis.com, £849.95
Brilliantly light and 11.9mm slim, the 13in S7 has recently had an upgrade so it's faster (and quieter). It lasts longer between charges, too.
Apple MacBook Pro with Retina Display
apple.com/uk, £1,799
Apple's flagship 15in laptop with 256GB flash storage, though you can opt for more when you buy. The screen is astonishingly good.
dell.co.uk, from £979
Light and slim (6mm at its thinnest point) thanks to a carbon-fibre chassis. While the case is more like an 11in model, the 13in display screen goes right to the edge.
sony.co.uk, £859
Claimed to be the world's lightest Ultrabook. It's also thin (though this does mean it flexes a little in the hand). Still, it's powerful, with decent performance and killer looks.
toshiba.co.uk, £1,699
Gaming PCs need big screens and powerful processors. This has a 17.3in display and i7 processor, plus plenty of RAM to keep refresh rates high.
debenhamsplus.com, £1,015
The Book 7 is Samsung's latest ultrabook, looks snazzy in its brushed aluminium finish and has a high-resolution, touchsensitive 13.3in display. It's a nippy performer with reasonable battery life.
pcworld.co.uk, £429.99
Light, fast and superb for speedy recovery from standby (a second or two). This model is keenly priced. There's no touchscreen but otherwise it is competent and effective.
pcworld.co.uk, £199.99
Chromebooks are lightweight, affordable notebooks that run Google's system. They work best when connected to the internet. This is superbly priced and has a highly usable keyboard and 14in screen.
sony.co.uk, £599
The 15in screen Fit has a sleek design that belies the price. It's highly customisable (add a backlit keyboard for £10 or a higher-resolution display for £80). It has strong battery life and is a decent performer.
bhsdirect.co.uk, £1,029
This resembles the MacBook Pro, though it's cheaper, thicker and heavier. It has a pin-sharp 15.6in display and a powerful, long-lasting battery meaning that it definitely punches above its weight.
Laptop hybrids:
pcworld.co.uk, £1,199
This model starts out as a tablet but flip up the 13in display and you reveal a fullsize, backlit keyboard. The Duo 13 has great battery life and elegant design.
argos.co.uk, £699.99
The tablet boasts a larger-than-most display and connects by magnet to the keypad. The latter's second battery extends life to around 14 hours. Light and effective.
pcworld.co.uk, £629.99
It looks like a classy aluminium tablet but open it up to find a highly usable keyboard nestled inside. Competitively priced and works well as an alternative to a laptop.
pcworld.co.uk, £379.99
A tablet with an attachable keyboard that uses Android, as opposed to Windows, operating system. It has a great 10.1in display. This is a cool and affordable option.
shop.lenovo.com, £949.99
A laptop hybrid that contorts itself to different shapes. Flip the keyboard all the way round and it's a tablet that runs Windows 8. Feels well-crafted and is elegant and impressive.
johnlewis.com, £749.95
An elegant all-in-one that looks good enough to have in the living room. Stereo speakers mean it sounds good, too, and the 21.5in screen is also touch-sensitive.
johnlewis.com, £899.95
This all-in-one also works as a tablet big enough for watching video, with its hi-res 18.4in touchscreen – all in a unit that is less than 2cm thick. Nippy, powerful and portable.
apple.com/uk, from £1,099
Astonishingly thin, just 5mm, at the edges, though it bulges in the middle. Choose from a 21.5in or 27in display and a range of processors. Needs an Apple SuperDrive for DVDs.
sony.co.uk, £1,099
A perennially popular all-in-one with slick 24in touchscreen and Full HD resolution. It looks great and performs at speed. It has strong sound, too: a great multimedia machine.
johnlewis.com, £289.95
Not the prettiest desktop PC but if you have a monitor, this is a great-value option. It has a huge (1 terabyte) hard drive, lots of RAM (6GB) and a reasonable AMD E1 processor.
Tablets and phablets:
simplyelectronics.net, £429
Phablet is an ugly word for a phone like this which, thanks to its 6.4in screen, is big enough to serve as a tablet. This is super-slim (6.5mm) and feels great in the hand. It's fast, powerful and waterproof.
apple.com/uk, from £269
The best small tablet bar none, even though the 7.9in screen is a touch larger than the Nexus 7. It is superbly lightweight, its narrow bezel means you get more screen for your money and it scores highly for styling.
play.google.com, £199
The newly released Nexus 7 tablet has a sharp 7in display, is faster than last year's model but is still great value. Google's Android software is funky and powerful, with neat features such as Google Now.
carphonewarehouse.com, £439.95
A 6.3in display phone. Big when holding it to your ear but spectacular for watching video or checking out photos. Still, the size does mean there's room for a big battery.
nook.co.uk, £99
An exceptional-value tablet that goes big on ebooks. The colour display is bright, clear and very high resolution. The ebook store is well-stocked and Kindle users can access the Android Kindle app.
whsmith.co.uk, £139.99
If you want a tablet mainly to read books, this is the way to go. It's not backlit so is easier on the eyes and the exceptional high-resolution screen is almost like reading paper.
johnlewis.com, £399
Feels great in the hand, has a 10.1in display and is seriously slim. It's also waterproof (so you can use it in the bath) plus boasts extras such as its function as a TV remote.
amazon.co.uk, from £159
If you want an Android tablet but find the operating system a bit geeky, Amazon's version is a joy. It's simple to use and has bonuses such as a daily free app and ebook bargains.
apple.com/uk, from £399
The original tablet and still the most stylish (though the iPad mini comes close). It offers a great display, an unmatched operating system and the best app store. Highly desirable.
vodafone.co.uk, free on contract
Good value and with a 6.1in display, more manageable as a phone than some. Its high specifications include an 8MP camera on the back.
currys.co.uk, £349
Nobody makes music from a computer sound better than Sonos. This connects wirelessly via a bridge unit (£39) that links to a broadband router. Audio is rich and solid
getclean.am, $12.95 (£8.20)
A new, colourful way to keep your laptop screen smudge free. These microfibre cloths that contain a cleaning spray come in larger sizes for TVs and smaller ones for keyboards.
bt.com, from free
A more powerful router for BT subscribers. Current customers can upgrade for £35 and it is free for new ones. Dual band means compatible gadgets can use the faster 5GHz frequency.
Toshiba Stor.E Slim portable hard drive
johnlewis.com, £59.95
You need to back up your data to protect it from thieves or failing hard drives. This model is slim and highly portable but at 500GB, holds a great deal.
Sony MDR-1RBT Bluetooth headphones
sony.co.uk, £399
Comfortable and great sounding. NFC (near field communication) technology means you can use them with compatible smartphones.
Sanyo Eneloop XX HR-3UWXB rechargeable batteries
batterystation.co.uk, £12.99
Sure, they're just batteries, but they arrive charged, last a long time between charges and hold as much as 75 per cent power after a year of idleness.
DataTraveler HyperX Predator 1TB
shop.bt.com, £999
This USB flash-drive keyring has more storage space than many computer hard drives. If you want to keep all your critical data with you, it is an expensive but useful gadget.
apple.com/uk, £169.95
Unmissable for looks and sound. The battery lasts seven hours between charges and it is light enough to be easily portable. An internal microphone means it also works with your phone.
Ruark MR1 Bluetooth Speaker System
johnlewis.com, £299.95
Small yet powerful, these speakers connect to your laptop via Bluetooth. They're simple to set up and make even the compressed files of MP3 sound strong and rich.
apple.com, £249
Apple's stylish back-up machine is wireless so you can stow your 2TB Time Capsule away from your computer for extra security. Back-ups are automatic, handy if you have a tendency to be forgetful.
johnlewis.com, £114.95
Extremely easy to set up and use. The Envy 120 delivers great results both for photos and documents. It's wireless and it also scans as well as prints. Impressive.
pixmania.co.uk, £65.86
This budget model has affordable ink cartridges and produces excellent photo prints. There's no scanning feature but nonetheless, it's wireless and a real bargain.
Samsung SL-C410W colour laser printer
argos.co.uk, £159.99
NFC functionality means you need simply tap a compatible smartphone up against the machine and it will print from it as if by magic.
pixmania.co.uk, £418.99
This is a terrific machine for printing big images or large format documents. It will handle A3 paper and uses pigment-based inks, which tend to be longer-lasting.
pcworld.co.uk, £369.99
Another printer suitable for A3 and larger format: print quality is great, especially for photos. Good value and easy to use and AirPrint means you can print from iPhone or iPad.
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Trail Days hikers hold candlelight service
DAMASCUS, Va. - Despite Saturday's accident in Damascus, the Trail Days festival continued Sunday. The hikers held a candlelight service Saturday night to remember those who were injured.
The organizer of the service tells News 5 it was important to bring all the hikers together and to lift each other up.
The campfire at Tent City, the center of the festival, is out now, but Saturday night it was filled with hikers and candlelight. "None of us knew if people were alive or dead. Nobody knew how many people had been affected, or if we knew of anybody affected," said Noble Jennette, organizer of the candlelight service.
Jennette organized the candlelight service to remember the dozens of hikers hit by a car Saturday afternoon. "It could have been any of us," he said.
He says as soon as they realized what happened and got back from the parade, they wanted to do something to honor the hikers that were injured. "It was beautiful, you're talking about two or three hundred people all silent and quiet, thinking the same somber thoughts," said Jennette.
Hiker Gray Myers described to us how Tent City lit up Saturday night. "People were just getting handed candles and lighting them. They were little white candles. Everyone was just placing them all around the campfire. There were tons of them," said Myers.
After placing the candles the hikers stood together and sang Amazing Grace. "[There were] fully-grown men bawling their eyes out because they have no idea what's going on. The confusion I think was really the biggest thing we were all feeling," said Jennette.
Myers says being together helped everyone feel at little better. "It made everyone feel more at ease because everyone came together and talked about it," he said.
Now the hikers are packing their gear and moving on to continue their journey along the Appalachian Trail, not letting what happened stop them but not forgetting those who were injured. "Hikers are some of the most resilient people I've ever met in my life," said Jennette.
Jennette also told us hikers are used to weathering the storm together when they are on the trails and that's how they will get through this accident -- together.


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....more later, I'm working on some other things at the moment.
....more later, I'm working on some other things at the moment.
No, the point I am making is that if you really want to make a difference in this industry you have got to come up with a blueprint for how to change the beekeeping practices employed on the 99% not on the 1% of the hives. If someone makes an environmentally friendly car that gets 200 mpg but isnt practical for the average American to afford or to drive then you havent really accomplished much. If you are truly buying into the assertion that treatment free honey is a better product then the "small guy" that we should be concerned about more is the 99% of the honey consumers that cant afford to pay the high prices charged at specialty shops and end up consuming what many feel is an unfit product.
"People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe."- Andy Rooney
Hey, the honey from the "organic farm" that we found to be 30% beet sugar was selling for $11/lb. The particular store is located within a few miles of several universities, including MIT and Harvard (no, this is not the honey store in harvard square). Some of the most educated people in the world were buying this stuff, and paying plenty for it. So, unless you think honey should contain 30% beet sugar, you've got people who _can_ afford the specialty shop prices, who are paying them, and they are still getting an unfit product.
Again, you missed Jim's point. How does your TF regime work for all the commercial beekeepers who produce the lion share of the honey sold?
Regards, Barry
Am selling at market so will have to be brief but not all folks who buy treatment free honey are wealthy...many of our customers do not have great financial means but value the honey we sell. Many are from cultures that use honey daily as medicine, preventive and otherwise, and are very concerned about sugar in beekeeping...they come to me asking for honey from bees that are not fed sugar.
Jim "If you are truly buying into the assertion that treatment free honey is a better product"...
The problem I have with "some" individuals professing to be selling only treatment free honey is not the treatment free aspect so much as how they actually handle their treatment free honey. Not using treatments in your hive (approved or otherwise) is one thing, but I have personally witnessed extracting and bottling setups by the hippy-dippy crowd (no offense dean) that leaves a lot to be desired. Garage setups, contaminants stored close by, non-approved storage vessels, and downright un-sanitary conditions are quite common. In that case, I'll take my chances with the bigger guy.
"Tradition becomes our security, and when the mind is secure it is in decay".....Krishnamurti
I keep saying it doesn't. I haven't seen anything in Deans post that says it does. Have you? If everyone was producing a product like Dean does don't you think his prices would drop like a rock. Same why with organic vegetables.
Brian Cardinal
Zone 5a, Practicing non-intervention beekeeping
I don't want to characterize Jim's product...I'm sure it is well above average.
In a previous life, I made very, very high end orchestral piccolos. I would spend 4 days (sometimes 5 if I was slow) making the keywork and mechanism from stock, and from raw castings. Grinding, filing, fitting, soldering, sanding, polishing, cleaning sterling silver, and sometimes 14 carat gold.
When I was in school, and thought I wanted to go into the instrument making field, I had had summer jobs in high end shops like the ones I worked in later, but I took the train to Elkhart Indiana, where band instruments have traditionally been made in this country.
There were crappy instruments that came out of those shops, and some nice ones. All of them were "mass produced" rather than "hand made". I'd make the keywork for an instrument from scratch, and fit it precisely to the imperfections of the body (for this, customers paid between 4 and 7k...in the 90s). In Elkhart, even the higher end instrument keys were made in batches...100 G#'s, 100 thumb keys, etc. Final fitting was done by bending. polishing was done with big machines that work fast and automatic, but remove too much material to leave sharp bevels and details...the hallmark of quality metal work of this kind. there were some very good instruments being made this way...but our customers wanted an instrument that was made in the way they thought an instrument should be made...by a single maker or small shop, with years experience and skilled handwork....and we had a 4 year waiting list, with about half the instruments going to Korea and Japan to players and collectors (duties were about 100% on these things as well).
Spending months perfecting wheel skills, or working on soldering at low enough temperatures so that copper doesn't migrate to the surface of silver is a waste of time if you are going to make the keys out of nickle silver by machine....spending time obtaining those skills won't help the worker on the factory floor where they are not valued or needed.
Commercial beekeeping has a lot of baseline practices that fill in the gaps between what bees need, and what they get. Feeding of sugar and/or pollen patties, medications for disease, moving them for a perpetual bloom, rotating out comb before it becomes too contaminated, requeening every year to prevent swarming, etc. This is the sledge hammer approach.
If you take these crutches away, you are left naked in front of mother nature with an incomplete system. If you take the automation away from the factory workers, you are left with workers that lack the skills and knowledge to build an instrument by hand. So, how do you fix such a system once you've taken the crutches away? The best way I know how is to see how someone else is doing it. We have mother nature, Dee Lusby, Kirk Webster, Bob Brachman...all with very different approaches, all without treatments, and all producing a commmercial crop, and all getting a premium for being treatment free.
One can certainly make a living building instruments in Elkhart (or at least one could 10 years ago...I don't know what is going on there now,but I bet it isn't pretty), but it isn't how I wanted to spend my time. I was lucky, I got to feel close with the instruments I was making, their owners, and the music they produced. When I'm managing bees without feeding, without treatments, I feel like I am closer to them...less like a factory where sugar and drugs go in, and honey and bees comes out.
Again, I'm not comparing Jim's honey to mediocre band instruments...I'm poniting out that doing things different ways requires different things and results in a different outcome.
The reason our customers trust us is because we are trustworthy. I have seen Dee's, Kirk's and Bob's extraction setups. We maintain an approved and inspected wholesale food facility so that we can do what we are doing legally.
Honey (at least in the U.S.) changes hands as a commodity. I would bet that most packers and beekeepers have not seen the extracting setup used for the honey they are bottling. The "big guys" are the most likely to buy the most honey they can get for a bargain...not necessarily honey from 'clean' extraction rooms.
"We maintain an approved and inspected wholesale food facility so that we can do what we are doing legally."
I have no doubt that you do, but you are but a few apples on the tree in the big picture of selling treatment free honey. If we are talking about specific practices of treatment free honey in general, then we should probably expand the scope of the conversation to others engaged in that practice, and not just the few that you seem to have imbedded in your keyboard.
"Tradition becomes our security, and when the mind is secure it is in decay".....Krishnamurti
I know other treatment free beekeepers for sure, but we do business with the three I've been mentioning...we report to the state health department where we get all of our ingredients and honey.
If we are going to look at unsanitary practices of treatment free beekeepers, is there an implication that beekeepers that use treatments are immune from such practices? Should we look at some of the offlabel uses of treatments to characterize "treatment beekeeping"? Should we look at sugar adulteration in some honey from some beekeepers who feed to characterize all beekeepers that feed?
What am I supposed to be responsible for? What are you responsible for?
Once again, a lot of intelligent people countering each other.
Unfortunately, if one is coming here to help them decide which way to go in their beekeeping practices, it leaves your head spinning. You just have to pick a direction and try it.
For myself, it has left me somewhere between Mike Palmer and Mike Bush - keeping in mind that they both are drawing from the ideas of others, mixed with working experience over many years.
As it all relates to the OP on small cell foundation, I find that I'm trying a mix of smaller cell (5.1) foundation mixed with foundationless in what I have this year. I've got a bunch of 5.4mm foundation as well, so I think I will likely use that as starter strips to some degree - unless I find foundationless to go pretty smoothy - without a ton of messy combs.
To deal with mites, I've come to this: (and I admit that my lack of experience necessitates me making some decisions based on faith to some degree. That means that years of reading (while beekeeping) has lead me to feeling that some of the writers are more 'trustworthy' than others - and that really just means that what they say 'rings true' with my own way of looking at the world.)
• Narrow frames in the broodnest- because I've seen the bees create that spacing on their own in the tbh.
• 8 frames- easier lifting/tighter space which I feel could help in wintering and efficient use of stores.
• No foundation in the brood nest or very little of it - allowing the bees to do their thing on cell size and minimizing wax from unknown sources.
• Managing nucs as a majority of my colonies - maximum colony numbers on minimal gear, and making nuc management the core - knowing that the young and small colonies will require less mite control effort.
• Honey for bees first - feeding only when their stores would not be sufficient and taking honey for myself that is truly surplus to wintering needs.
So it's a mix of approaches offered here by people I believe to be competent beekeepers, who make a regular practice of readily answering questions from people like myself. "Cyber mentors" I guess.
It still leaves me taking it all to the workshop and bee yards to actually see how it all works in practice in my own hands, with my own bees, in my own region.
You come looking for answers, but you really get a selection of them. Then it leaves you making your own choices - and playing them out - in order to find your own 'proof' of what works and what doesn't.
"If we are going to look at unsanitary practices of treatment free beekeepers, is there an implication that beekeepers that use treatments are immune from such practices?"
Certainly not. I have seen some real nasty commercial honey houses as well. My point is simply this: One cannot just automatically assume that because they are purchasing honey from someone who happens to have a trendy treatment free marketing scheme, that they are trustworthy and that their honey warrants the classification of a "better product", because sometimes it doesn't. I'm sure you and the others you mentioned do a credible job.
"Tradition becomes our security, and when the mind is secure it is in decay".....Krishnamurti
...weren't people getting on my case for pointing out that _some_ honey is adulterated? Aren't you just saying that _some_ honey isn't processed in a sanitary way? Why does this have anything more to do with "treatment free honey" than it does "USDA Grade A Honey", "Pure Honey", "Local Honey", "Beekeeper Honey", "Raw Honey", "Pasteurized Honey", "Filtered Honey", "Bee Honey", "Farmers Market Honey", "Home Made Honey" or even "Mass Produced Imported Honey"...whatever.
Do you consider the three you listed to have lifestyles that reflect most other commercial beekeepers?
Regards, Barry
No, I don't...and you will note that I've never been one to say that everyone (or even anyone) should change their operation. The best decisions for Jim to make are those made by Jim.
As it has been pointed out, if everyone was suddenly treatment free, I'd be out of business in an hour. More people work at Mcdonalds than at independent burger joints. More food is made at mcdonalds than at independent burger joints. Would the market support all of the mcdonalds locations going independent...with the additional overhead, costs, responsibility for quality, decisions, etc? Of course not.
I like Jim, I like talking to Jim, and I care that he understands what I am trying to say...but I don't really care if he goes "treatment free"....I don't care if he shakes out his bees and starts with packages every year (I'm not implying that you do).
What Jim gets for his honey is between him and the person buying it...I have no control over his price unless I'm the one buying it, and at this point, we are only buying treatment free honey....but someone else is welcome to value his honey equivalently to how we value Dee, Kirk, and Bob's honey...he is free to demand whatever price he wishes.
I will say (and I've said it before), we got into this business _because_ we saw Dee's operation, and realized that her honey was being sold to big packers at a low commodity price. We felt it was more valuable than that, so we took a risk of starting a business in Massachusetts selling (at the time, only) treatment free honey from Arizona. This was no small risk, this was less than an obvious thing to do. It didn't just happen.
"real numbers" must include costs (labor, equipment, vehicles, supplies, gas, transportation, etc), feed, treatments, time etc...and certainly must include what price the honey (or the bees, or the queens) are selling for.
it is generally not in anyone's best interest to be quite this open in public...can we see the numbers for Beesource? Hosting costs, staffing costs, time, donations advertising revenue, etc...profit? I didn't think so.....this is essentially what you are asking for, and there are too many good reasons not to be truthful about _everything_ _all the time_ that one shouldn't really expect such things to be posted on a public forum.
Take a chill pill, be that "pretty laid back guy" you said you are, the discussion will be smoother. I'll fess up, in this thread anyway, the main reason you and I have banged heads, is simply, you leave yourself so wide open, it's hard to resist.
Relax, and the world will change.
"Thinking Inside The Box"
And because of that, we need to be very careful making statements that can't be backed up with real numbers. Saying someone is a successful commercial TF beekeeper can mean a lot of different things. Unless all the numbers were laid out, there's no real way of defining that term. One successful beekeeper may own a couple houses, take routine vacations, own up-to-date equipment, and live quite well, while another successful beekeeper may live very spartan, can't afford to travel, has older equipment, etc. I think if your living is made from bees, money is at the core to defining success.
Regarding Beesource, I'm not trying to convince Google or Facebook that I run a better, more profitable website, so there is no need to get into the numbers.
Regards, Barry
There are quite a few people who post on here that in the back of my mind I say to myself, wow, wouldn't it be great to know them, or meet them in the beeyard and pick their brains a little. Their persona is indeed generally laid back, and not prone to verbal confrontation. There are others who for some reason or another feel as if the world is out to get them or rain on their parade, whatever it might be. They are quite defensive and often prone to reduntant statements perhaps in order to continuously justify their current positions. So Oldtimer if I am ever in your part of the world, I might look you up. Same goes for Mike Palmer and a few others. Mike Bush stayed at my place this July and we worked a yard of my bees. Other than him trying to tell me how to pry my frames apart when inspecting my deeps it was quite a hoot. I got a kick out of him saying that. He even played his guitar for the bees..now hows that for laid back. Oldtimer your picture thread on here regarding no-grafting for queens is worth its weight in gold.
"Tradition becomes our security, and when the mind is secure it is in decay".....Krishnamurti


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Do I think we'll win the division? It's possible. But I don't see anything from the Cowboys to suggest that we'll get our act together and finish games.
Great last time he said we had no chacne we went on a tear!
Cowboys play two games before the Giants play Greenbay. If they're 6-5, and Giants lose to join Dallas on 6-5, I think they take the division. They're a good team and they'll have an easier run in and all the momentum.
The bye came at a good time.
poor boomer,,,you never even won a super bowl neverming being a suoper bowl mvp and you want to bang on eazy? give me a break mr. sour grapes.
If we don't fix this mess Dallas will come from behind and win the division, they have a better defense, better running game, and if Romo isn't turning the ball over can actually sustain drives and score TDs, something w'ere still struggling to do.


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I knew it was inevitable but didn't think it would happen so soon.
Link to my turbo upgrade thread Turbo Upgrade...please help
Brief background info...a month or so after my turbo upgrade and tune I started experiencing a rough idle after being wot. Not to long after the rough idle i would have a cylinder 2 misfire cel. Talked to my tuner and we got my car idling like a charm.
The second week of August I started having cylinder 2 & 3 misfires and here's my story from there...I was driving to a brunch for work (8/16) and was running behind and I must admit was driving fast/aggressive. Anyways I wasn't paying attention to my tach and bounced off my rev limiter in 4th gear...bad i know I came to a stoplight and she was misfiring like crazy. Fortunately my tuner was in the area and after my work meeting drove over to his shop.
The drive over there was horrible as I started having rod knock as well as my cylinders misfiring every 5 secs. When i made it to Mike's shop he checked it out and told me what I already knew...that it didn't look good at all. Haven't taken the motor apart so don't know exactly what is wrong but thinking its a ringland or rod bearing?
On to the good news ...getting my motor fully built as well as a little drivetrain work and this is what I have so far and want to know what you guys think.
Short Block:
Stock Case Halves
Darton EJ255 & EJ257 Sleeves
Nitrate Treated Crankshaft
Cosworth Main Bearing Set Size 1
Cosworth Rod Bearing Set Size 1
Cosworth Forged Piston Set 100mm 8:2:1
Cosworth Piston Ring Set 100mm Bore
Eagle Rods
Porting & Polishing Heads
Brian Crower Camshafts (Intake: 272, Exhaust: 272)
Brian Crower Retainer Set 1.0
Brian Crower 1mm Oversized Intake Valves
Brian Crower 1mm Oversized Exhaust Valves
Depending on the status of my turbo I'm thinking about upgrading from the Dom 2.5 to the Dom 3.
ACT SB5-HDSS clutch kit
Stoptech Powerslot Rotors
Hawk HP+ pads
Any feedback will be greatly appreciated! The build should hopefully start next week but want to finalize everything first.
Things to note are in green...What are your HP goals, because a lot of this stuff is a waste...Personally I'd avoid all Cossie and BC stuff...
Damn man, sorry to hear the problems. My engine is being picked up by my tuner this friday. I can't wait to get it back. Its been taking forever. It sound like your just about following my foot steps. LOL, my tuner is upgrading me to Dom 3.0 should be a XTR also. I have head work and cams done on mine as well. My tuner used GSC stage 1 cams. But, my goals are not as high as yours. 375-400whp is good enough for me...on pump of course. They used new iconel valves for my heads and all sorts of fun other stuff.
Cosworth was bought by another company about 2 years ago or so and have been turning out poor products as of late, mostly cams.
Kelford is a excellent choice and I highly recommend them. As far as pistons, I am bias, but I use Wossner and have had very good results with them. Less piston slap on cold starts and smoother idle in my experience.
What size exhaust housing are you planning on running with that GT35R? Also do you plan to run race gas to hit 500whp?
He runs E85. But, since I had shavings from the bearings ran through out my motor. My tuner started out with new everything for the most part. Since the shavings even got in my turbo.
New EJ257 shortblock
Carillo Pro-SA lightweight rods
ACL Race bearings
CP pistons that are side coated
Nitride crankshaft
Used my existing Heads just:
ported and polished
new valvesprings, retainers, seals, and inconel valves
GSC S1 Cams
OEM Master Gasket Set
OEM Oil Pump
Timing belt and tensioners etc
OEM Oil filter assembly
OEM Oil pan
Dom 3.0 (should be a XTR for rediculously cheap upgrade)
Yeah, some of that is completly unnecessary. But, since its shavings in the oil system...its all getting replaced beyond my heads. Which were tanked and cleaned.
Nevermind I have to break the engine in and then get it retuned for all the goodies. Which before it gets retuned my tuner is installing a custom FMIC with one of their IC cores. My tuner claims they run the highest quality cores out there. Garrett or Custom made ones just for them. Which they have been making EVO FMICs for a while and are shipping quite a bit of FMICs for EVOs everytime I am in there.
Research and do what you can afford or think is necessary. My car isn't going to be balls to the wall. So, my choices may or not work for you. Balls to the wall should probably have a sleeved engine or a closed deck engine. That's one thing I think you need that I might be able to squeeze by without.
PS: This is my estimate...things might have changed once they got to the work. This doesn't include the break in oil and filter with a change of oil after its broke in and new filter. Cheap...compared to the rest. We'll see what happens when its all back together.
No...my valvesprings are going to be upgraded to handle a raised rpm limit. So, I am assuming the rest of the stuff is good enough because I don't hear anyone saying they had to upgrade the retainers and seals. Just want new to complement the other new parts.
CP Pistons are known to handle a good deal of horsepower. I'm sure some other people use other pistons at a high horsepower that might idle smoother. Which is why I am getting my CPs sidecoated...it kills some of the piston slap. That's the only slight problem with CPs and with side coating its not that bad.
Which exact valvetrain my builder went with is not quite known to me. But, I am assuming its good because this guy builds engines for other SCCA road racers and rally. He is a old aquaintance of my tuner from back in the day when my tuner was still road racing. He agreed to build engines for my tuner but does not want to make his name public. Chad (my tuner) said he already got two EVO engines back from him and they ran the smoothest that he has heard after break in. Chad has used every big name engine out there on EVO from Buschur, AMS, and others. So far he said that this new guys engines run so smooth on the dyno after break in that he prefers his engines now over other engines.
My tuner gets IC cores in from Garrett and another place that makes high end custom IC cores. They make all the pipes because they have Brent who fabricates, welds, and does some metal work. So....I'd probably get TurboXS FMIC if you can't get another good brand name FMIC. They are known to be pretty good. My tuner just says the cores he gets are normally better than the crap that is on the internet.
How much boost that I am going to run will depend on my tuner. He normally tunes for a good useable powerband for driveability. But, I'd like to think I can get that with 375 or 400whp with my mods on 93 pump.
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[quote user="gmen0820"][quote user="rainierjef"]what the **** are you talking about?
are you just arguing to argue?
i wanted to know where he got that no te is first round worthy
last i remembered fleener didn't do the 40
olson didn't do all the drills
wait till pro days to make those claims
whether its opinion or not doesn't make it wrong or right or smart or dumb im just asking where he got his information from.
reese goes by game tape to evaluate the players he likes, which is why i put it up. so basically you agree with what i said by saying "Nobody knows for sure where anyone goes, especially someone on this board. GMs have an idea, but nobody knows for sure." and your wrong GM's know the guy they want if reese feels one of these TE's are a value at 32 before 64 then BPA as always.
[/quote]Lol what are you talking about? I don't disagree with you, I do think there are first round TEs in this draft, I just "smfh" at you for expecting him to provide you rock solid support for his claim considering nobody knows for absolute sure.
So yes I do agree with you, and I wasn't arguing with you, I didn't think I'd have to explain that. Perhaps I overestimated you.[/quote]
lol this kid
dude first it was a question for void but you wanna be captain save a post, i just gave light to the fact that the combine doesn't make the player and i gave fact for that by what reese said. he stated NO TE is going in the 1st i didn't say he was wrong i asked where is he getting that from.
you jumped into something blind by saying no one knows for sure, so what the point of you stating what i already stated?


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If approved, the ballot measure would pour millions of dollars of voter approved tax money into Colorado classrooms. Opponents have objected to the tax hike. The ballot question asks voters to approve a rise in income tax rate from 4.63 to 5 percent on the first $75,000 in taxable income to account for the money. The average family would see an extra $133 per year come out of their paycheck.
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You'll feel like a voyeur on this amazingly real-like romancer.
This is a franchise I never want to end. Jesse (Ethan Hawke) and Celine (Julie Delpy) began their romance in "Before Sunrise" in '95 and reunited in "Before Sunset" in 2004. Now it's 18 years since they met. They're very much still together, though unmarried, with two gorgeous twin daughters.
Two things make this romancer exquisitely unique: while writer/director Richard Linklater is the driving force, both Hawke and Delpy contribute to his writing, which is why their dialogue is so real. Like its predecessors, most of this movie is conversation. A conversation that could be heard in any longterm relationship. It's all about the challenges of longterm love.
One of the best scenes has Celine topless as she argues with Jesse. The argument began as they were starting to make love. What woman would stop an argument to put her bra back on???!!! She'd be too busy trying to get in her two cents. Brilliantly real!! Also priceless: Celine's complaints about Jesse's lovemaking. The scene is an instant classic.
While no "After Midnight" has been announced, I am dying to see where Celine and Jesse end up in another 9 years, when they're well into middle age. This is not only the best romancer of the year, it's one of the best films of the year.


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The realtor is trying to sell us 11 acres and up. So I looked up the law myself and beekeeping has no minimum size. I pay enough taxes between personal income and business to buy cheese and cell phones for the unemployed.
The realtor is trying to sell us 11 acres and up. So I looked up the law myself and beekeeping has no minimum size. I pay enough taxes between personal income and business to buy cheese and cell phones for the unemployed.
I just did an agg exemption for my property. saves me 3k a year. I have 50 hives at home.
In Wisconsin, the landowner must have 50 hives on their land in association with commercial beekeeping. There was an article in last August's Bee Culture regarding Wisconsin's law.
The Texas Apiary Inspector is going to be at our next local meeting for Metro Beekeepers, I'm hoping to get some questions answered there. I need a lot more land for an exemption to be worth much though. Taxes on the lot where I have the bees come to about $70 a year.
Stuck in Texas. Learning Permaculture in drought, flood and strange weather. The bees are still alive.
I have a commercial beekeepeer with 100+ hives on my property in CA and it does count for the Williamson Act. However, the Act allows counties to come up with their own criteria for what they'll accept, and most seem to be cracking down substantially in an effort to boost revenues.
Around here it doesn't actually boost revenue (in theory). The counties come up with a tax bill and split it over the base. If there is a larger base, the amount decreases per person but the total revenue shouldn't go up.
One of the reasons an Ag Exemption is so important in TX is this: TX has no Personal Income Tax. But we do have some very high Property Tax. Anything over 10 acres without an Ag Exemption will most likely be taxed as Residential or Commercial rates. Ouch!
The 2 acres of "Homestead" that covers the house, garage, and shop are taxed differently than the other 20 with the Ag exemption. I was faced with having to pay the regular rate on ALL 22 acres without the Ag exemption. It had been previously used for a Hay lease, which I ended when I bought the property. First, I didn't have the equipment to make hay myself. Two, the person who had the hay lease was an enthusiastic sprayer of Round up and fertilizers, and I didn't want him spraying anything else.
I pay taxes on my property, on the honey I sell, and on the candles I make and sell. I pay tax on the equipment I use for the bees - like boxes and extractor, etc. I provide the required inventory every year of what I have on hand. I update my progress with plantings.
I treat it like a business because it IS a business. I run it as such. Now, is it a business that allows me to be totally self supporting? Not yet, alas. Not on the heels of some of the worse droughts in TX history. But I am working towards that goal, if it's attainable. I answer honestly any and all questions from the county and when they stop by, I drop everything, make a fresh pot of coffee, pull out the Kolaches (Czech sweet rolls) and give them a tour, showing them anything they want to see. I speak when invited to the Rotary Club, Lion's Club, 4-H, and classrooms. I answer swarm calls and the occasional cut out.
Based on my actions, my willingness to share, my forth-rightness, I am treated with courtesy and respect by county officials. They know I am not playing games, nor am I making money hand over fist. They do what they can to help me, and give out my name when people ask for local honey, need a swarm caught, etc.
Sometimes when you put out good it DOES come back to you. Honesty is the best policy.
Agriculture Exemptions will vary from state to state; in Texas you CAN get a property tax exemption for beekeeping. You must meet several criteria to get it, and there may be some discrepancies between the state requirements and your local county; see your local county assessor to get clarification.
For Texas residents, Google "Texas Apiary Inspector" for the instructions to apply for the exemption.
I own several hundred acres of land in West Texas. If I had to pay full blown property taxes on my ranch, I could not afford to own it. Ag exempt taxes save me about 24 grand a year. I keep a herd of 38 to 40 head of black angus cattle that I use for my ag exemption. Someone with 30 or 40 hives of bees could probably make as much profit as I do on my cows. Year in and year out, a couple of hundred bucks per mother cow is about the norm. From a common sense point of view, I think bees should qualify land for ag exemption.
possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the
treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes.
Over and over again the Courts have said that there is nothing sinister
in so arranging affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible. Everyone
does it, rich and poor alike and all do right, for nobody owes any
public duty to pay more than the law demands."
Judge Learned Hand
(1872-1961), Judge, U. S. Court of Appeals
Here here I agree. It is not my job to fund the government. It is my job to take care of my family and Less taxes make it easier. Everyone that can take advantage of the AG rules I encourage to take advantage of them. With the extra money buy more bee's.
"He should just write [the government] a check and shut up," the New Jersey Governor and one-time rumored presidential candidate told CNN's Piers Morgan.
In Georgia you are entitled to preferential tax assessment to maintain land for bona fide ag. purposes. The primary use of land which is good faith commercial production from or on the land of ag products, including apiaian products. You can get conservation use breaks for not developing in any way your property also, leave it as scrub or woods. if 2 hives on 1 acre of your land provides ANY amount of income, you can qualify on that 1 acres IF the property is used only for ag production purposes. If you breach the covenant during the 10 year time frame, large penalties. Take any tax break you can qualify for. We are overtaxed due to ridiculous spending on pet projects, it is not my fault that i take the break, it is the politicians faults for overspending that make my needing to take the break necessary to financially survive.
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Rather than speculate or guess, just Google "Texas Tax Code Chapter 23"
You will find in Sec. 23.51 the following definition:
(2) "Agricultural use" includes but is not limited to the following activities... ...raising or keeping livestock; raising or keeping exotic animals for the production of human food...
...The term also includes the use of land to raise or keep bees for pollination or for the production of human food or other tangible products having a commercial value, provided that the land used is not less than 5 or more than 20 acres."
Your Application for 1-d-1 Open-Space Agricultural Appraisal includes the following statement:
"Agricultural use includes, but is not limited to, the following activities: (1) cultivating the soil; (2) producing crops for human food, animal feed, or planting
seed or for the production of fibers; (3) floriculture, viticulture and horticulture; (4) raising or keeping livestock; (5) raising or keeping exotic animals or fowl
for the production of human food or fiber, leather, pelts or other tangible products having a commercial value; (6) planting cover crops or leaving land idle for
the purpose of participating in a governmental program provided the land is not used for residential purposes or a purpose inconsistent with agricultural use
or leaving the land idle in conjunction with normal crop or livestock rotation procedures; (7) wildlife management; and (8) beekeeping."
The original case law governing ag exemption in Texas for bees is here:
"Pizzitola v. Galveston County Central Appraisal District, 808 S.W. 2d 244 (Tex. App.-Houston[1st Dist.] 1991, no writ history). In this case the court starts by stating, "This case presents the question of whether a bee is like a cow." The court held that bees are not like cows. And why does this matter? Because the Plaintiff was contending that they were entitled to an "open-space valuation" on their property taxes for the 63.17 acres of their property because the entire acreage was used by the beekeeping operation (and their bees). They wanted the same tax rate ranchers get for land used to graze cattle. They called as an expert witness an entomologist with Texas A&M, who agreed that bees need land for forage. The court agreed with the Appraisal District, who had determined that the three acres around the hives and honey house qualified, but not the rest. The court held that, "the tending of the bees--the preparation, maintenance of the hives and equipment, and the honey extraction--took place on the three acres, not on the Property [as a whole]." Id. at 250."
Since then, the 2011 Texas legislature add some language apparently to help us. See this:
Easiest way to get "greenbelt" exemption in Florida is to borrow someone else's livestock. Horses are not qualified for the exemption either.
In Nebraska you have to have a minimum of 20 acres and be filing a schedule F. I don't know of any other requirements.
Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 42y 40h 39yTF
Anyone live in CT who has looked into this? I did some research and couldn't come up with anything one way or the other. Some really vague laws regarding exemptions for farms but not what constitutes a farm.
We don't have local folks to chat up...having said that I would be very interested in having a look at your submission with details on how much of what supports "x" number of bees etc. I believe the bees will be fine even without our efforts as we are sandwiched between 4 golf courses and are but a stones throw from planted commercial vegetable, blueberry and cranberry farms. We have 2 local farmers markets for selling product plus I have a business that is interested in purchasing all the bottled honey we can produce. I am also planning on making flavour infusions of the honey plus combining some with herbs as healing salves. I am new to this forum and don't know if it supports private messages.
Today I am trying to locate a local of white clover seed to top dress our fields. We have already planted fruit trees, seed fruits, climbing roses, clematis, honey suckle, ornamental flowering trees etc.
Looking forward to getting more info to beef up my submission
> Anyone live in CT who has looked into this?
The following relates to sales tax exemptions in CT for farmers, but it clearly defines what it takes to be eligible, and specifically includes bees:
As for property tax in CT regarding bees, read this document:
See the top left column of page 10 for a definition of "farming" which does include "bees". Once you have the document open, "Control-F" should open a search function allowing you to search for references to bees.
And for more documents on this issue, try typing or pasting the following into Google:
"bees property tax site:www.ct.gov"
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The troubles with the healthcare.gov website are well-documented.
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This one is a young family of four - parents in their late 20s with two young children. They don't make a lot of money - only $25,000 a year, but they qualify for a full government subsidy. Just $42 a month buys them a plan with no deductible at all and out of pocket expenses capped at $500 per person..
But imagine another family of four - about 50-years old, making $95,000 a year - roughly what a couple of teachers would make.
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Your second point is valid....though, it was not the destruction of colonies that resulted in better bee health, but rather the regular destruction of brood comb, something that almost completely ceased with the advent of framed hives. It is only during the last several years that (some) beekeepers have taken up the practice of culling out old brood combs every couple of years to help keep the bees healthier (a practice that, by the way, will likely lead to higher varroa populations in hives if beekeepers continue to use 5.4 mm foundation in the brood chamber).
By managing hives as Warre did (nadiring) the brood is raised in the same combs for only a few cycles (at most) and all wax is regularly replaced by the bees as the brood nest moves downward and the honey and wax are harvested from the top. Thus, perpetually clean wax with no need to destroy colonies.
I should add that if you go back and read the excerpt that I posted again, you will find that it is not the framed hive that is looked down upon by Warre so much as are the "modern methods" of beekeeping that are associated with it. He is simply saying that fixed comb hives mostly prevent the application of these, what he sees as harmful, intensive methods.
Warre believed in hive manipulation alot more than most people think. His bees produced sectioned honey in supers, he performed splits and artificial swarms regularly, caged queens during the nectar flow, etc. Many people who "know" about Warre's methods have never read the literature that he produced (at least they haven't read past page 40 of BFA). The thing that he absolutely found destructive is the idea that our hives (mainly the brood chambers) need to opened, disassembled, scraped and inspected every couple of weeks. For what? It is the theory of "if it isn't broke, fix it anyway" that is harmful. Then if, after relentless manipulation by the beekeeper the bees do become sick, the beekeeper thinks "Gee, it's a good thing that I was inspecting regularly and found this problem".
Bees are far more resistant to disease than are humans. Do you go to your doctor for a physical exam every couple of weeks?
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In the course of writing the lexer and the corresponding tests for r6rs-thrift I realized that r6rs-protobuf just flat out didn't support "//"-style comments. That's embarrassing -- not least of all because it made the library more or less unusable for real work, and thus nobody must have been using it successfully. But I've fixed that and assembled a new release. Get it here.
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Leanora is survived by her husband, Charles "Chuck" Halstead of Backus; stepdaughters and son-in-law, Judy Halstead of Woodbury, and Leanne and Bill Van Emburg of Chicago, Ill.; stepson and daughter-in-law, Jim and Shelia Halstead of Gibbon; grandchildren, Scott Dickmeyer, Erin Dickmeyer, Larissa Halstead, Jordan Halstead and Jack Van Emburg; great-grandson, Zach Dickmeyer; and a brother-in-law, Tom Perkins of Hawaii.
She was preceded in death by her parents; sisters, Mercedes Schwartz, Darlin Dahlk, Delain Vargason and Tookie Perkins; a brother, Lloyd Leske; nieces, Carolee Kutzke and Bonnie Schwartz; and a grandniece, Debbie Kutzke.
Leanora Swanee Leske was born May 10, 1924, in Bismarck Township, Sibley County, to August and Emelia (Niemann) Leske. She graduated from Hutchinson High School in 1942, then attended normal training and graduated from Mankato State College with a degree in elementary education. In 1978, she was united in marriage to Charles Halstead in Brownton.
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Hi All, Just joined Forum a bit ago. Dianne and I just placed our order for initial 2013 equipment and bees today.
We're members of ELK Valley Beekeepers as Newbies. Located in Middle Tennessee.
I am retired and Dianne is self employed. We're Escapee's from Maine Winters.
Looking forward to continuing the nearly year round agriculture opportunity here.
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I don't even have FQ's but I want that cabinet! It's awesome.
Welcome to the Quilting Board!
I don't even have FQ's but I want that cabinet! It's awesome.
I'm going to look for one of those. I also want to know where you got it?
DH purchased it at Lost In Time in the antique mall in Winston-Salem NC. Thanks for the kind words, I'm having so much fun filling it up.
I love your cabinet! I'm going to forward the picture on to DH to see if he will build me one. Sure beats digging around in the pedestal drawers under my washer and dryer where I currently store my FQs.
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Oh, I forgot to mention to keep a chart or notebook of your stings................like date, total number of stings to date, total of stings for that session, specific location of the stings (don't just list hand, say right or left, etc.). Make any notes for that day.... of progress, etc. You won't remember!
Your book "The Bible of Bee Venom Therapy" sounds interesting. Another book worth reading is by Charles Mraz, "Health and the Honey Bee". Mr. Mraz stung people for over 60 years.


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AMMON, Idaho - All around the country some people are already lining up at stores in anticipation of Thanksgiving Day sales. The Bonneville County Sheriff's Office says it will be increasing its presence at shopping centers to ensure things don't get too out of control.
"The biggest thing is we definitely want people to be safe," said Sgt. Jeff Edwards with the Bonneville County Sheriff's Office.
In East Idaho many stores are opening early. At the Walmart in Ammon there will be two officers inside the store on Thanksgiving Day to help with crowd control.
There will also be officers out on the roads.
"There's gonna be more and more people traveling the highways and roadways to see family and things like that," Edwards said.
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C.O. public land campfire limits begin Friday
Industrial fire precautions also increase
BEND, Ore. - With hot and dry conditions expected to continue and a series of human-caused fires on public land, the Prineville District Bureau of Land Management, the Deschutes National Forest and the Crooked River National Grassland of the Ochoco National Forest are implementing campfire restrictions.
Effective 12:01 a.m. August 2, (Friday), open fires, including charcoal fires, will be prohibited, except in the following designated campgrounds:
Crescent Ranger District: Contorta Flat, Contorta Point, Crescent Lake, Odell Creek, Princess Creek, Simax Beach, Simax Group, Spring, Sunset Cove, Trapper Creek, Whitefish Horse Camp, Windy Group Site, Industrial Mushroom Camp (Little Odell Butte)
Bend-Ft. Rock Ranger District: Crane Prairie, Cultus Lake, Elk Lake, Fall River, Fall River Guard Station, Gull Point, Lava Lake, Little Cultus Lake, Little Fawn, Little Fawn Group, Little Lava Lake, Mallard Marsh, North Twin, Point, Quinn Meadow Horse Camp, Quinn River, Rock Creek, Sheep Bridge, South, South Twin, West South, Big River Group, Bull Bend, Wyeth, Cinder Hill, East Lake, Little Crater, Newberry, Ogden Group, Paulina Lake, Prairie
Sisters Ranger District: Allen Springs, Allingham, Blue Bay, Camp Sherman, Candle Creek, Cold Spring, Driftwood, Gorge, Graham Corral, Indian Ford, Jack Creek, Link Creek, Lower Bridge, Lower Canyon Creek, Perry South, Pine Rest, Pioneer Ford, Riverside, Scout Lake, Sheep Spring, Smiling River, South Shore, Suttle Lake, Three Creeks Lake, Three Creeks Meadow, Three Creeks Horse Camp, Whispering Pine
Crooked River National Grassland: Skull Hollow and Haystack Reservoir
Prineville BLM: Castle Rock, Still Water, Lone Pine, Palisades, Chimney Rock, Cobble Rock, Post Pile, and Poison Butte.
These restrictions do not apply to Wilderness areas on the Deschutes National Forest.
In addition to campfire restrictions, smoking is restricted to an enclosed vehicle or building, in a designated campground, in boats on lakes and rivers, or while stopped in an area at least three feet in diameter that is clear of all flammable material.
Portable cooking stoves or lanterns using liquefied or bottled fuel may be used in all areas. The restrictions also include operating or using any internal or external combustion engine without a spark arresting device and welding or using any torch with open flame.
On the Deschutes National Forest and Crooked River National Grassland, drivers are also prohibited from using a motor vehicle off National Forest System roads.
Officials want to remind the public that using explosive target material, such as Tannerite, explosives, and fireworks continue to be prohibited.
In addition to Public Use Restrictions, the Prineville BLM, Deschutes and Ochoco National Forests and Crooked River National Grassland will be moving to an Industrial Fire Precaution Level III (IFPL) at the same time. The IFPL applies to permitted and industrial operations on federal lands. IFPL III is considered a "partial shutdown" and restricts the use of chainsaws to loading sites on tractor/skidder operations to between the hours of 8 p.m. to 1 p.m. Only cable yarding systems that use non-motorized systems are allowed. Industrial welding and mechanized loading operations are also restricted to the hours of 8 p.m. to 1 p.m. Industrial and permitted operations may request a waiver from the Forest Service or BLM depending on land ownership at the activity location. It is the responsibility of all operators to know and follow the requirements of the current fire precaution level.
More information about both IFPL and Public Use Restrictions can be found at the Deschutes and Ochoco National Forest website, the Prineville District BLM website, and the website for the Central Oregon Interagency Dispatch Center.
Public use restrictions are not put in place to ruin camping experiences. Officials carefully consider the current fire situation, fuel moisture and predicted weather before making the decision to implement fire restrictions. Every year lightning-caused fires place a heavy demand on our firefighting resources, and put our wildlands, our firefighters, and our communities at risk. Fires caused through carelessness or negligence only increase the threat to life and livelihood, and place an even greater burden on already busy firefighters. Every fire that's prevented protects our communities and helps our firefighters remain available, rested, and safe.