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Prepared marinara sauce, mushrooms and basil turns the usual meatloaf into something special.
Nutrition Profile:
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Healthy Weight
Heart Healthy
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Serves 6
Prep Time 20 min
Total Time 50 min.
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Preheat oven to 400°F. Coat a 12-inch pizza pan with cooking spray and place it on a large baking sheet with sides.
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Heat oil in a large skillet over medium heat. Add onion, bell pepper, mushrooms and basil; cook, stirring, until softened, about 10 minutes.
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Meanwhile, combine beef, garlic, breadcrumbs, milk and salt in a large bowl. Mix well.
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Transfer the meat mixture to the prepared pan. With dampened hands, pat into a 10-inch circle. Top with marinara sauce. Spoon the vegetable mixture over the sauce and sprinkle with cheese.
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Neither the Kel-Tec P3AT nor the Ruger LCP allow a "second strike" on a failed primer.
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D-Day - coverage of the 70th anniversary commemorations in Dorset
- Today marks the 70th anniversary of D-Day.
- On June 6, 1944 tens of thousands of Allied troops crossed the Channel in a bid to liberate mainland Europe and deliver a final crushing blow to the Nazis.
- The mission, codenamed Operation Overlord, took meticulous planning, cunning deception, unnerring discipline and unquestioning bravery.
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Tool vending systems like this one can enable shopfloor supervisors to help operators find out why tools are breaking or wearing sooner than expected.
3D Medical Manufacturing, the medical job shop profiled in this article, is currently on its second iteration of a tool vending system: a system from MSC Industrial. This system enables the shop to accurately track every nondurable tool for each job while providing daily tool usage reports for those jobs. This enables tight cost control and ensures that the shop never runs out of the tools it needs, which was a problem in the past that led to extended machine downtime and high next-day shipping charges. The vending system automatically reorders tools once a specified minimum inventory level is reached, and the shop's tool crib manager reloads the tools when they're delivered.
However, this system also serves as an important problem-solving device. Each job has a maximum number of tools that an operator can pull. The system locks out operators who attempt to pull a tool beyond that limit and notifies a supervisor of the situation. That way, the supervisor can work with the operator to determine why tools are breaking or wearing sooner than expected. In some cases, the operator can precisely explain the problem, meaning a change to the process might be warranted. In other cases, the operator might be unsure of the problem. Therefore, the notification turns into a teachable moment, because the supervisor can help the operator pinpoint the issue and remedy it.
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What Don Knotts would do if he were going down on you - awkward, uncoordinated oral sex performed on a woman.
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Provide a super grid cabin equipped. Much IKEA furniture, so very practical. All bedrooms TV, 2 very nice and clean bathrooms, one with a rain shower. Mis really just a real living room. But not necessary if you ski all day.
Owner very friendly and nice, the owner is Dutch.
Een super net huisje van alle gemakken voorzien. Veel IKEA meubels, dus lekker praktisch ingericht. Op alle slaapkamers TV, 2 zeer mooie en nette badkamers, 1 met een regendouche. Mis eigenlijk alleen een echte woonkamer. Maar niet nodig als je de hele dag skiet.
Eigenaar zeer vriendelijk en aardig, eigenares is Nederlands.
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The holydays in Club Vista serena, was very nice and confortable. A value quality and price appartments, nice service. Highly recoment
nice little house in suburb of sorrento.
well equipped kitchen and cosy living room.
couldn't stay in the huge garden because of too many moskitos.
garden wasn't very clean at all.
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The people were very friendly, the studio offered everything you needed, the bed was comfy and the location was good, just 350 m to the beach. You had your own terrace and parking lot, which was great. It is a very quiet location, good to calm down and relax. For two persons it is very big, I was scared, but of course most of people would enjoy that luxury of lots of space. The accommodation definitely is a great choice for that price!
The location of the apartment was great and the size was excellant plus with a private parking space in France unbelievable. Downside was cleaning fee per person when the floors were SO dirty that you wouldn'd want to walk on them without shoes on.
Danielle was very helpful. The house, next to her family's home was very clean and comfortable. The view of the mountains was wonderful. we highly recommend Landhaus Wegscheider to anyone interested in traveling to the Innsbruck area.
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LiverKick.com Podcast Volume 13: Glory 3 Rome - Petrosyan Rules
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Whew, what a weekend, right? Glory 3 Rome happened and it was pretty incredible. Giorgio Petrosyan continued his reign of dominance in the world of 70kg Kickboxing and shows no signs of relenting, but fighters like Sanny Dahlback and Davit Kiria came from out of nowhere and impressed the world. Listen to Rian Scalia (@rianscalia) and myself (@LiverKickdotcom / @dvewlsh) as we discuss the latest and greatest in Kickboxing news.
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Science Fun for Kids: Polymer Paradise open to grades 1-4
Science Fun for Kids: Polymer Paradise will be offered to students in grades 1-4 at Eagle View Elementary School and Crosslake Community School.
Students will learn about the mystical magic behind creating the longest polymer while creating some of their own to take home. Polymers that will be examined include, but are not limited, to bouncy balls, slime, goo, snot, bubble gum and a lot of different gooey creations.
Instructor Alicia Green has a Bachelor of Science degree in biochemistry and teaching licensure specializing in chemistry and physics.
Classes will be from 3:15-5:15 p.m. Thursday, Oct. 25, at Eagle View or from 1:15-3:15 p.m. Friday, Oct. 26, at Crosslake School.
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Tooling Update
Hardness Test Blocks Compliant with Industry Standards
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Tuesday, March 01, 2011
Wilson Hardness, Norwood, MA, an Instron company and the originator of the Rockwell hardness tester, introduces a new Brinell hardness test block compliant to ASTM E10 and ISO 6506. Test blocks boast a 6 by 4.5-in. test and are supplied with a comprehensive certificate of calibration, traceable to the National Institute of Standards and Technology. The number of indents per block has been increased from 35 to 80, on average, allowing for 128 percent more tests on a single block than previous models. An engraved indent placement pattern ensures that appropriate indent spacing is maintained, eliminating erroneous readings. Factory calibration indents appear in an octagonal pattern for easy identification. A leatherette-covered steel carrying case with safety clasp is included.
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Cozart flies out to right
Cozart flies out to right
Heiswy grounds into a 5-4 FC. 9-2 Reds.
Putting it on them, now.
If evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will evolve!
Phillips flies out to right. 9-2 Reds mid 8th.
Patience means waiting for a pitch you can handle. If the first pitch is in the zone and something you can handle you swing at it. Of course.
But a hitter like Heisey swings at almost everything early in the count. He's overly aggressive. He may be "comfortable" doing so but it doesn't yield good results.
He would be far better off being patient. And if waiting for a good pitch isn't fundamental, I don't know what is.
Simon in to pitch
Valdez in to play short. Cairo in at 1st. Stubbs in center. Heisey in left.
Wallace doubles to right. Just beat the throw from Bruce
Bruce darn near got another one at 2nd
If evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will evolve!
Up in the zone. That's lethal for Simon.
"You only have to bat a thousand in two things; flying and heart transplants. Everything else you can go 4-for-5."
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"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."
Castro singles to right. 1st and 3rd.
Paredes sac fly to center. 9-3 Reds.
Simon not missing any bats.
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The elder tree's white blossoms first appear in spring in Denmark, so these refreshing cocktails make an elegant homage to the season. The delicate, lightly floral flavors are perfect with Champagne or a dry, light white wine, such as Sauvignon Blanc. Have all the ingredients ice-cold before serving.
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Prep Time 5 min
Total Time 5 min.
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Place 1 tablespoon elderflower concentrate (or syrup) in each of 8 Champagne glasses; add 1/4 cup Champagne to each glass, then top off with 1/4 cup seltzer. Garnish with flowers (or mint), if desired. Serve immediately.
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The Night's Sky: Family Night Hike & Campfire
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Sunday, January 27, 2013 from 5:30 PM to 8:00 PM (PST)
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Sunday, January 27, 5:30-8pm
Join us for a night hike and investigation of the night's sky under a full moon. Gather 'round the campfire for quality time with friends and family, sing songs, and get silly as you roast s'mores by moonlight.
*All ages are welcome. Baby carriers are suggested for children 4 and under.
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Cost of "Green" in Palo Alto
Original post made by Sally, College Terrace, on Dec 13, 2007
I asked my husband to walk down to the local copy shop to order an outdoor banner for my church. He was told that Palo Alto does not allow the sale of UV-protected banners. He walked home and drove to Mt. View, where the same chain store was happy to fill the order. He drove back. After the proof was ready, we both drove to Mt. View to review it. In two days, he will drive back to pick up the order.
We live three blocks from the local shop. Not only are we increasing the carbon footprint, but Palo Alto is also losing out on the sales tax (item cost $380).
Is there something wrong with this picture?
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a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Dec 13, 2007 at 6:18 pm
thanks for a good laugh, sally. This story is so palo alto.
is it a wonder people shop everywhere besides pa? That is unless you likeoverpriced botique stores
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Dec 13, 2007 at 7:27 pm
I bet we can come up with more examples of these.
a resident of College Terrace
on Dec 14, 2007 at 6:49 am
Probably the banner is non-biodegradable or made of toxic materials and there is an environmentally better substitute. If someone told me something was not allowed to be sold in an area, I would ask why, and if the reason was it was harmful to the environment, I would go with something else.
$380 for something that is presumably temporary?
a resident of Charleston Meadows
on Dec 14, 2007 at 10:53 am
Trudy makes a good point - what alternatives were available, using the assumptions that having this banner (temporary?) was deemed a necessity and that there is a good reason behind the restriction? This is not to say that the policies in Palo Alto are correct.
Seems to me the restriction is probably based on the chemicals used to coat the banner, making it UV resistant.
I would state, without knowing any of the details behind this restriction, that just b/c our neighbors feel it okay (or are ignorant to) the ?problems? with selling such items does not necessarily make this restriction wrong. Also, if you incorporated the trips to the store to buy the banner, in Mt. View, into other errands that you normally run, the increase in your carbon footprint would not be that great. Making special trips for each errand would, however, less you were on a bicycle ;-)
a resident of College Terrace
on Dec 14, 2007 at 11:49 am
The banner is semi-permanent, in that it will be used seasonally for many years. It needs to be UV resistant. Today, I asked my husband exactly what the reason was. He said that the shop said that Palo Alto does not like environmentally unfriendly chemicals, such as those used to confer UV resistance. He said he asked about what chemicals were of concern, and what toxics list they on in Palo Alto. The lady he talked to said she didn't know, just that their PA store does offer this product, but the Mt. View store does. He tried to look up a toxics list for Palo Alto on the Internet, but he couldn't find what he was looking for.
Does anybody know if that list of banned substances exists? If so, please let me know. Thanks.
a resident of College Terrace
on Dec 14, 2007 at 3:09 pm
And why shouldn't a merchant choose to work with chemical substances that will not harm the merchant, or the community. Seems to me that if that's the case, we're talking about consumer ignorance, and not an overbearing municipality.
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Dec 14, 2007 at 3:43 pm
"And why shouldn't a merchant choose to work with chemical substances that will not harm the merchant, or the community. Seems to me that if that's the case, we're talking about consumer ignorance, and not an overbearing municipality."
It is a fair question to ask the municipality why they are banning certain chemicals. They must have a rational reason to do so. UV-resistant plastics (like vinyl banners) have been around for a long time. Is there some new data that proves that they are an environmental hazard? If so, at where exposure level, and for how long?
Sally (or her husband) is right to ask for the list of banned chemicals in Palo Alto. Her little story is the tip of the iceberg. Will car tires or plastic pipe or platic computer shells or concrete blocks or computer printer ink be banned next?
a resident of College Terrace
on Dec 14, 2007 at 3:45 pm
"Will car tires or plastic pipe or platic computer shells or concrete blocks or computer printer ink be banned next?"
If they're shown to be toxic, why not?
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Dec 14, 2007 at 4:36 pm
Let's just start with car tires:
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We can then move on with many other toxics in our environment. Car tire rubber has toxics in it, and it grinds to a fine 'sand' on the roadways. These toxics are water soluble. Shoud we ban car tires in Palo Alto, Mike?
a resident of College Terrace
on Dec 15, 2007 at 5:34 am
Sally seems to have asked the merchant for a list of banned chemicals, not the city.
a resident of Community Center
on Dec 15, 2007 at 10:02 am
This is an interesting case study, and it raises all sorts of issues from individual choice to corporate responsibility, as well as role of local government's in policies that may not be happening at the same pace on a state or federal or global level.
I do not want to be critical of Sally, and her project. It does strike me, however, that in this case, she and her church chose to acquire an item that had substances in it that were considered to be environmentally unfriendly. The stated needs of having a semi-permanent banner are a starting point, but it is not clear if there were additional considerations that they could have added after they understood the implications of getting a banner from a place that applied this particular UV ray protection. Did they consider changing their "objectives" after they understood that the way they were going to meet those objectives had such consequences? Perhaps they did, and decided they were acceptable conditions. On the other hand...
Next comes the mighty issue of corporate responsiblity. I don't know if the place where this banner was made was Kinko's (now owned by Fedex) but it sounds like it. Even if it is another place, be it a local establishment or one with a global presence, such companies should be asking questions about the materials they use on behalf of their clients to see what they can do to contribute less to this problem.
My company does business with Whole Foods, I am trying to do something with them right now, and they have made it very clear that unless the approach I take meets certain "green" standards, they won't even consider a proposal. Good for them! It puts the onus on me as a small business owner to figure out how to provide a great idea to them in a way that is more friendly environmentally. GE is another example of a large company that is not only asking these questions around what they make and how they make it, they are actually viewing the whole matter as a huge business opportunity for them. We need more companies of this scale with leadership teams that are incorporating these considerations into what they do, how they do it, and what sorts of business opportunities they will invest in going forward. VC money on Sand Hill Road is pursuing this right now as well--what might that tell us?
And whither government at the local, state and national level? At all levels, goverment is much less nimble than is private enterprise, and changes very slowly. Large organizations, public or private, are less nimble than are smaller ones. We see in the just ended Bali conference that the current leadership in Washington DC is taking a position that this country will not at a federal level move forward unless other countries agree to do the same. What a cop out. I will not go there about the current administration, but I think Palo Alto should be pushing hard on these types of things, even if from a "gamesmanship" standpoint, we experience some downside consequences in the early stages. We have seen the Schwarzeneger administration say they are not waiting for Washington's lead to deal with things such as automobile mileage and emmissions standards, and Palo Alto should not be afraid to take the same assertive leadership role at a municipal level. What we do in this town gets watched, followed, emulated, imitated over time.
Palo Alto as a local government with some prominence is able to move more nimbly and easily around these matters than can ever be expected at the state or national level, no matter who is in office. What we do around here matters, it matters here, and it matters in other hallowed halls.
How about that Kinko's or a scrappy competitior in Palo Alto open up a shop and say it only uses environmentally friendly ingredients in the making of banners and other products? Get some VC money to back it up. Last I checked, there are people who reside elsewhere who are attracted to such a value proposition, perhaps they would be coming to Palo Alto to spend their dollars and fill our tax coffers if we made it known that in this town, we walk the talk.
a resident of Midtown
on Dec 15, 2007 at 10:50 am
At issue here is "Palo Alto Exception-ism" and how far we can/should push the envelope.
PA clearly has no problem thinking independently and doing things that few other cities do. Sometimes that's leadership; sometimes it's dumb; sometimes it is just re-inventing the wheel.
Being a small town with a "Mayor" who spends her time photo-op'ing on environmental issues is an example; another is having one of the only "private city parks" (FHP) in existence; another is a "sizzle" oriented city web site (that till recently thought they could deliver better search than Google); another is not having big box stores; and here is the example of not allowing shops to sell items that are readily available in the next town.
My two cents is that we would benefit from dialing it back a bit. Not all the way, but some. We are a small city, with plenty of small city issues - taxes, crime, infrastructure, street repair, etc. We should pick our spots on where to lead, and maybe have a healthier respect for the "conventional wisdom" of other towns.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Dec 15, 2007 at 11:48 am
It all comes back to personal responsibility. I want to do my bit, but I don't understand exactly all the ins and outs of every situation and although I may want to educate myself on some issues, it is not realistic to know it all and we have to some extent trust the rules that are being put in place.
To give an example. We have had a couple of spare the air nights recently and from a thread going back a month or so, there are many who feel that this is a good idea and others who feel that this is encroaching on their personal freedoms. Smoking came into this category ten, twenty years ago, and now it is the norm. What is the norm today will change over the years.
I recently went shopping in Ikea. Without making any noise about it, they have started charging for their bags. I and most other customers easily made do without bags. We loaded our goods into our carts and took them to our cars and then put them in the trunks. Was it that I begrudged paying the 5c (or whatever) for bags. Not really, it was just that when I thought about it, I realised I didn't really need the bags. This should also become the norm. I already have re-usable grocery bags for groceries, why should I expect to have bags at every store I visit when I have a shopping cart. I may need that at Stanford or such like, but I don't need them at Target, or Ikea, etc.
When we start living green it isn't always through legislation, it is through being aware. If I need a banner for something, if I am offered a realistic alternative I would consider it. If I am told, sorry we don't do this because it isn't "allowed", then I go elsewhere where it is available. If I was offered something else, believe me it would be easier to use the something else rather than have to waste time going elsewhere.
So make it convenient and it will be used. Make it unavailable and we will either use the alternatives or go where we can get it.
a resident of Community Center
on Dec 15, 2007 at 12:23 pm
Here is another example of how it happens at multiple levels: sea food.
My family visits Monterey Aquarium now and again, a few years back we got a card while we were there that explained which types of sea food were over fished, which were OK to eat, etc.
I kept the card, but I (being a married man, meaning I lost 95% of memory at the altar) could never recall which fish were OK to buy at the market or order at a resturaunt. Frankly, if I really care about this fish consumption matter, I must do a better job of staying informed, and making sure my buying habits reflect those concerns.
By the same token, I don't think it is unreasonable to expect dining establishments, grocery stores (from Whole Foods to Safeway to Costco) and others that peddle this stuff to take some responsbility in what they buy to vend in their establishments. They have people whose jobs it is to know fish, shouldn't this sort of thing be part of their knowledge base? And how they buy?
How that translates into government involvement starts to get interesting. We do have the endangered species act at the federal level, and it may be more teeth are needed in that law. Should Palo Alto offer guidelines on what seafood should be offered in town? That might be getting too granular, but it illustrates the conumdrum in a very real way.
a resident of College Terrace
on Dec 15, 2007 at 1:02 pm
I am asking for a list of banned toxic substances in Palo Alto. Can anybody point me to a Palo Alto website where that is available? It seems that I (and others) are being told to become smarter and better informed consumers. How can I do that if I cannot get the information?
Perhaps Paul Losch can help me, since he is in business and probably knows the rules better than most. Paul?
a resident of College Terrace
on Dec 15, 2007 at 1:10 pm
"We can then move on with many other toxics in our environment. Car tire rubber has toxics in it, and it grinds to a fine 'sand' on the roadways. These toxics are water soluble. Shoud we ban car tires in Palo Alto, Mike?"
Knowing that, we and other regions, and states, should be lobbying to change the chemical composition of tires. If tire companies fail to comply, we should fine them severely.
Further, we should be taxing tire sales to the degree that tire products sully the environment - i.e. we should be extracting $$$ to clean up the damage that tires cause.
Incidentally, building housing closer to jobs will eliminate much of the toxic by-products of tire dust, because we'll keep more cars off the road.
We should be more like Europe in this respect, which is FAR more aggressive about insisting that products are monitored, and forcing incremental payments for the social and other costs of product effects on health, etc.
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Dec 15, 2007 at 1:47 pm
Sally is right in asking for a baned toxics list in Palo Alto. This would allow us citizens to examine the rationale for banning certain substances.
Toxicity is a complex subject, but it boils down to dose, exposure, bio-stability and sensitivity. For example, table salt is more toxic than Round-Up, the herbicie, yet Palo Alto restricts the use of the latter, but not the former. Why? Many "organic" vegetables sold at the local farmer's market contain toxins (plants have evolved strategies to fend off insects and competitors). However, one would need to eat to beyond human capacity in order to feel the effects of these toxins. Water is toxic, at too high a dose, and a number of people have overdosed on it.
There is a certain toxics hysteria going on in Palo Alto.
Sally should have had to go to Mt. View. Yes, Paul, it IS an interesting case study. Let us see the list of banned toxins. Good job, Sally, your simple story has opened up a can of worms that needed to be opened. Merry Christmas.
a resident of Community Center
on Dec 15, 2007 at 2:20 pm
I don't work for the City, although I am on the Parks and Recreation Commission as a volunteer citizen. I suggest you contact the planning department or the fire department, one of those departments should be able to provide the sort of information you specifically are seeking.
It points out another aspect of this whole thing, which is how difficult it is to develop awareness that people can incorporate into their day to day lives--my fish story being an example. Perhaps in the case of Sally's church, understanding what their alternatives are to UV protection is what was needed--don't expect a Kinko's employee to know much about that at the time you are getting a banner made.
a resident of College Terrace
on Dec 15, 2007 at 2:24 pm
Of course, DJ's argument about toxins is all relative, because he ignores the fact that some toxins - especially naturally-introduced toxins - have made it through the natural cycle of human adaptation. Not so with the spate of chemicals that have been *recently* introduced to our food supply, and general environment.
Note DJ's failure to consider suggestions made to deal with tire pollution, above. Like the dinosaurs near extinction, he just plods on to his next faulty example about why we should continue to sully our environment.
This is easily shown in ethnographic studies of food and other element adaptation.
Toxic hysteria? You bet. We should be hysterical about the fact that the United States lets in more toxic additives than anyplace else on earth, save China. [agood look at how the European Union handles this sort of thing wouldl be instructive) I fact, given the length of our large exposure to unbounded consumerism, we are subject to more environmental toxins than any other population on earth.
DJ is arguing for some mythical libertarian sense of the market. Like most arguments of that kind, it will die in obscurity, as the vary complex variables of life, and the selective nature of DJ's research, are revealed for what they are - a paean to "anything goes" as long as it makes money. We're smarter than that, in spite of false logic to the contrary.
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Dec 15, 2007 at 2:43 pm
"Perhaps in the case of Sally's church, understanding what their alternatives are to UV protection is what was needed--don't expect a Kinko's employee to know much about that at the time you are getting a banner made."
Paul, really, that is a cop out. Your are putting the onus on Sally (and her church) to explore alternatives that are not explained/provided by the vendor. In order for Sally to make a rational decision, she needs rational information. The onus should be on the vendor to explain why they will no longer sell a given product. The salesperson does not need to know the science, but the vendor should provide her/him a simple handout that explains why a given product is not offered. That information should include references to good scientific rationale, and it should refer to city policies that demand such a restriction. If the local vendor just decided to go it alone with a "green" notion, then that vendor needs to explain to Sally why she needs to spew carbon going to Mt. View to get a products that could have been provided with a simple walk down the street (by her husband).
This a classic case study! Paul, I suggest that you study it.
a resident of Community Center
on Dec 15, 2007 at 3:00 pm
I am not interested in getting into a polemical exchange with you about this.
What I was pointing out is that the understanding and awareness is poorly distributed, among the end users, in this case Sally's church, among the people on the front lines of companies selling items that may be contributing to the problem, in this case it appears to be Kinko's. It is a practical, every day dilemma each and every one of us faces, just as I do when I sit down at the Fish Market and order my dinner. Poorly distributed awarenss exists at the end of the consumption chain, and at the beginning, and in between, and it is a very difficult problem to solve wholesale.
If I am putting the onus on the Sally's of the world in my comments, it does not stop there. The onus is equally on the Kinko's of the world, and the City of Palo Alto's of the world to articulate in a comprehensible way what is behind a policy such as the one being discussed here. For starters.
What aspect of the case study should I be studying DJ?
a resident of College Terrace
on Dec 15, 2007 at 3:00 pm
"The onus should be on the vendor to explain why they will no longer sell a given product. The salesperson does not need to know the science, but the vendor should provide her/him a simple handout that explains why a given product is not offered."
A simple explanation that states: "xyz" is a product that we have been advised may be dangerous to your health" should suffice. Merchant have no obligation to tell customers why they do or don't carry products. I would respect a merchant who hdid this, and spend the extra money to get what I need from him. (recent consumer research backs this up - in fact, this holiday season has seen several alternate holiday wrapping and greeting card companies thrive with product prices 4-5x the norm, because people are willing to accept some inconveniences to face the *inconvenient truth* that our lifestyles have brought about.
Beyond that - like pointing the customer to a website, there is a cost associated with providing additional information, and that that cost will be born by the customer, ultimately.
Then, it should be up to Sally - as a responsible citizen (not a passive recipient of information) to make up her own mind about making the trip to Mt. View.
We have to accept personal responsibility for our purchasing decisions; that's what being a responsible, moral citizen is all about.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Dec 15, 2007 at 3:31 pm
The responsibility in Sally's example, should not be Sally's, or her Church's or even the vendor or his salesperson. If there is a more environmental friendly, similar costing item available, the store should be able to say, "Sorry we don't sell this because of the toxins, instead I can sell xyz which is about the same cost, will do the same job, last the same length of time and is safer for us all". I feel sure Sally would have bought the alternative and that would have been that. Trying to educate ourselves on every item we need to buy or decision we need to make, makes life tedious.
Two examples. I am told that by shopping at Costco we are indirectly paying into Barak Obama's campaign. Likewise if we shop Walmart, we are paying for Hillary's. For us to consider things like this when we shop is expecting too much for the majority of us.
There are so many toy recalls at present because of lead from China. To expect the consumer to check every product recall list, test every toy, give up buying toys, etc. etc. is very onerous. We expect our toys to be safe but to do all the necessary onerous work is time consuming and cause for nightmares. So for the majority of us, it is a case of "c'est la vie" when toy buying and trusting to good luck.
These two examples show that there are things which can be done in any given situation and others which don't matter as much as we think they do when it comes to making rational decisions. The same will be said for being green.
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Dec 15, 2007 at 3:41 pm
"What aspect of the case study should I be studying DJ?"
Paul, you should be studying the actual toxicological information on a given product, before you make suggestions that Sally do her own homework. Actually, Sally is requesting the information to do just that. [Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]
"he ignores the fact that some toxins - especially naturally-introduced toxins - have made it through the natural cycle of human adaptation"
Humans have not evolved for a long enough period to "adapt" to many naturally occuring toxic plants. They have simply learned to avoid them, or to take them in small enough doses so that they might survive long enough to reproduce (that's called cost-benefit, in case you can't figure it out). Please tell me where there is ONE human being that can survive a tasty dose of Amanita phalloides (Death Cap mushroom) on top of their hormone-free steak. There is no essential difference with synthetic chemicals that provide better living for the human species. It IS relative to dose, exposure, bio-stability and sensitivity, period.
[Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]
Thank you, Sally. Please keep asking simple questions...they are the most powerful of questions.
a resident of Community Center
on Dec 15, 2007 at 4:16 pm
This is not an exercise in toxicological expertise. I was on another thread about the sport turf at the high schools a couple weeks back, and someone from elsehwere in the country was suggesting that we will poison our athletes if they play on sport turf, due to the type of shredded tire material that may be used. I questioned the person's assertions, as there were several degrees of separation from the information she was providing and the proposed use of sport turf at the high schools. Just like the salt and Round Up analogy, it is a matter of degree.
It also is not a matter of identifying just whose "job" it is to be informed and make the judgments about a particular matter. Resident aptly points out that any one of us would be overwhelmed if we had to weigh fully the various consequences behind our patronizing a certain establshment to buy our milk, to pick a fairly innocuous item. As I suggested earlier in this thread, it is a shared and distributed responsibility that exists at various levels with individuals, business entities, and our governmental bodies. That is what makes it such a daunting matter to tackle. It is nobody's job and it is everybody's job.
Add to that the lack of well distributed awareness, or even the availability of reasonable information, and then the differering opinions that legitimately exist (for many aspects, but not all of them) around these matters. How can people act in an informed way? Oftentimes they can't. I seldom bring my fish card with me when I go out to eat, and that is an easy one.
And there you have Sally's poor husband just trying to get a banner made up for their church. I suspect he was a little hot under the collar when he was told, with not much of a clear explanation, why he could not get his project done on Calif. Ave., and got even more agitated when it was possible to have it done in MV. I doubt that he was at that point trying to understand why there may be a policy in Palo Alto banning a certain substance that is good for UV protection. I know I wouldn't be. I would be wanting to get the blasted banner made and be done with it. The man was not on an environmental crusade, nor was he out to contribute to global warming.
So, I suppose we can all just throw up our hands or send our pointing fingers in various directions and feel it is someone else's problem to solve, or it is too much for any one individual. I think we can expect more of ourselves than that, and we should expect more than that from the business entities and regulators as well. Progress, not perfection, is needed across the board, and we all have a role in the matter.
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Dec 15, 2007 at 4:33 pm
What we SHOULD expect is that there be a reason for banning certain substances. Shed sunlight on the issue. If it can't hold its own weight, as a rational argument, then there is no reason for the ban, no matter who imposes the ban.
a resident of Community Center
on Dec 15, 2007 at 4:35 pm
I concur. Your point applies to many things, including regulation of substances.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Dec 16, 2007 at 4:58 am
I think things are getting a little heated here - no one seems to have done the simple thing of calling up city hall and asking for a list of what's banned.
That seems far more reasonable than to expect a store to keep a list of all possibly banned items they don't carry, or a clerk who is probably making minimum wage to know that. I would expect if a store discontinued a popular item, that they might post an explanation.
Also, ref the criticism of the web site, etc. The web site is spectacularly a mess, but it does not follow from that that everything the city does is wrong. How about actually asking the city about the materials banned instead of speculating without info.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Dec 16, 2007 at 5:01 am
Your church might want to look into Interfaith Power and Light, which is a group of religions working on green issues:
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Simms is probably the best Football analyst since Madden.......Parcells is very good too
Sims is right. This year Eli looks like the Eli before 2011 season. Even if he turns it on. He still had his erratic slump that he has every season save last year.
The quest for 70 pages is underway....
"I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells
"Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese
well , Simms had to watch and call that Bengals game on national tv.
i didn't see anything even closely related to "game manager" let alone elite.
and even though i think Simms ( who isn't elite either) should STFU about ELI ......he is still right.
i just wish he would steer clear of the subject.
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Buy 303s at sears for less than $20.My brother took the stock to school and sporterized it.
ok here the meat of this thread--
you got to tell something from your past that was good that we don't have no more--
"back in the good old days we thought $69 and free shipping was too much for a new looking de-milled rommy "G" kit!"
PS it don't have to be about guns either--
Buy 303s at sears for less than $20.My brother took the stock to school and sporterized it.
22 years ago I could have had SKS's brand new in the box still packed in cosmoline for $79 each. Looking back I wish I would have bought 10 of them. Instead not really appreciatung what they were I said yeah, no. What a dumb ass!!
As for non-gun related I can remember being a kid and going to the corner store with a buck and getting 2 cans of Mountain Dew and 4 candy bars AND CHANGE!!!
Life's a crap shoot. Sometimes you say crap and sometimes you shoot. Make sure that you don't mess those 2 up!
I used to get ammo for my AK for 69 dollars for 1000 rounds. my M1 carbine cost 100 dollars with 300 rounds of ammo. we used to be allowed to build our own guns.
Yes we had guns in school. it was 1976 and the high school had 400 students. Several kids went out and trapped coons, & coyotes in the morning and brought whatever they got from their traps into school in the back of the truck. Yep, they had a little rifle behind the seat so they could humanely kill what may not have died in the trap.
Teachers knew it, hell even the principal knew it. I saw him out there one day talking to a couple of guys while holding up a raccoon.
I worried more about the kid that was a black belt in karate than I ever did about the kids that hunted and trapped.
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How about being able to fill up your truck which was on empty and buy a 6-pack of some tasty beverage with a $20 and get change back.
And guns/hunting & school were why there was always a snow day the first day of deer season. The school knew half the kids weren't going to be there which causes them to loose state money (or at least thats how it was explaned to me at the time) so they just called it a snow day!
I remember when an expensive Hooker was $75........
Regular gas was $.25 a gallon. Cokes were a nickel, smokes were 15 cents.
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"back in the good old days the cops knew who you are and you didn't need 12 kinds of government issued photo id's to do anything--"
Well I'm only 38 but I can remember a time when people were proud to be American, the country was prosperous and people had a good outlook on the future of the nation. That's the country I remember growing up in while today government dependency is what today's youth aspire to. I remember getting gas for under a buck. I use to put $5 at a time at the gas pump and get around town for a few days while cigarettes were around $1.50 a pack. I remember air condition was an option on New cars and so were power windows. Oh and we didn't have the government's nose stuck into everything we did.


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Hue: The Colors You Need To Know
Spring fashion trends are here in full force, and this year the big one is bold colors. Find out what you need and how to wear it.
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Every year, winter melts away and with the new season comes an onslaught of trends for spring and summer. Despite the influx of new (and often ridiculous) ideas, it becomes your job to adopt what works and avoid what doesn't.
With that in mind, we're giving you our picks for the best trends to take in stride, and which to step over completely.
Adopt: Hue
Even more than last year, color is the mode. The trend appears in flashes and floods in the form of denim, khakis, blazers and sports coats, and even dress shoes.
Rather than just wearing color, think about using unexpected colors in places generally reserved for navy blues and neutrals. Expect to see anything, from highlighter-brights to pastels bordering on grey.
What's Cool
• Chinos, khakis and cargoes: it's never been more fashionable to sport them in saturated yellows and oranges, even bold, bloody reds. • Denim: Keep your blues, but step elsewhere on the spectrum. "Lavender," and "plum," might not be within your comfort zone, but lighter blues, greens, or yellows could placate your color concerns. • Suits/Blazers: Move out of the shadows into lighter hues of blue, or jump right into pastels. • Shoes: A pale suit is still a suit (read: traditional), but you can set it off with classic oxfords or boat shoes with nearly-neon soles to look like a one-man light show strobe-ing down the sidewalk. • Jackets: We'll touch on outerwear later, but three words: dusty blue parka. You want.
As a general rule, don't get carried with bright colors or get too match-y. • If the piece is a shade bold, let it stand out on its own. • With subdued hues, complementary trumps monochromatic. Pair colors that appear on opposite sides of the color wheel. • Contrasting color combos create visual interest and will draw female attention, not for your slow-motion car crash of an outfit, but for your sick style.
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What the Omnibus Bill and XL Foods Have in Common
Ralph Goodale | Posted 12.29.2012 | Canada Politics
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The Harper Conservatives are ramming another "omnibus" budget Bill (C-45) through Parliament. Coupled with "closure" to kill debate, it's all designed to be so humongous, convoluted and fast that no Parliament could possibly scrutinize the details and expose all the mistakes. (Sort of like the inspection system the Conservatives are responsible for at XL Foods -- a lot of contamination got through.)


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On Deadline blog: Peter Carpenter's mission: warn of employee-benefit 'time bomb'
Original post made by Jay Thorwaldson, editor emeritus, on Dec 20, 2011
I recently sat down with him to ask a single basic question: Has he gone over the edge on this seemingly obsessive topic?
He laughed and said not really. But he grows serious as he warms to the subject.
"It's a huge time bomb," he says of the mostly unfunded retirement benefits, now reportedly in the hundreds of billions of dollars statewide.
As for his e-mails, he said he just has a good search program and simply forwards articles from newspapers and magazines as well as programs and reports on the subject. Carpenter said it takes him just moments to glance over an article then send it out to his e-mail list, currently at about 80 recipients -- nearly half of whom are public officials. But after nearly five years of the e-mail blitz he is disappointed that officials have been slow in picking up on the message. Union leaders seem not to have heard it at all, and are engaged in rear-guard actions to forestall cutbacks in present or future benefit packages.
Most e-mail attachments carry dire predictions; some report on drastic measures specific public agencies are taking or considering, including literal bankruptcy as in Vallejo, a side effect of which was wiping out retirement agreements.
Carpenter's message is that in the flush years of the past couple of decades, off and on, agencies promised more than they could deliver in terms of retirement benefits (sometime lavishly so) when negotiating with unions and employee groups. No surprise. It's the American Way, reflecting a pay-later credit-card mentality that drives so much of the economy and the personal/family lives of many millions of us.
Leaner times mean limits. Still, going back to renegotiate past deals is tough for elected officials and administrators, especially in areas where unions have big political clout.
Yet Carpenter's personal and professional interests go far beyond retirement benefits. They range from a decades-long interest in "mission and values" concerns to implementing high-tech communications systems in corporate and community institutions. He is personally engaged in a major community-building project in Africa, and occasionally is a fierce advocate of open meetings of government agencies at all levels, as codified in the state's Ralph M. Brown Act.
He may have inherited from his family some of his "transparency" interests. An uncle, Richard "Bud" Carpenter, then a reporter for the San Francisco Chronicle, decades back did a 10-part series on closed-door meetings that became an important motivation for the Brown Act.
Today, Carpenter fears the act has been weakened "because nobody is enforcing it." But "it's great virtue is what a good DA can do" in setting a standard of transparency, creating a public culture of openness in the conduct of public business. An example is the recent undoing of election of mayor in Menlo Park due to too many private discussions among council members.
Carpenter's varied background reflects his range of interests. Born in 1940 in San Francisco, he spent his early teens in Jacksonville, Fla., in the Deep South -- "about as deep redneck as you can get" with extreme segregation and whites-only beaches.
His parents had a rule: Family members "could never talk about a group, only about individuals. It was one of the greatest gifts my parents gave me." They also enforced mandatory family dinners together with real conversations, often about issues and politics as well as family matters.
Two lifelong values they promoted were (1) "You will have a job," and (2) "You will be involved in the community."
Carpenter questions the importance people today put on going to college. He favors a national-service alternative for many young persons.
"Education for what?" he asks, citing huge student-loan debts and frustrating job searches even for college grads. Carpenter himself went to Harvard, where he joined the ROTC (Reserve Officer Training Corps) and wound up in the Air Force during the late 1960s.
"Those were the most exciting six years of my life," he recalls. The stint included three years (1966-1969) working with the computer-networking project ARPA, the Advanced Research Projects Agency (later the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, or DARPA) that was the predecessor of many aspects of Internet as we know it today. Most of the ARPA work related to Vietnam War, he said.
He held various federal positions in the early 1970s and from 1973 to 1976 served as assistant vice president for medical affairs at Stanford University, including a year as executive director of the Stanford Medical Center.
When he joined the Palo Alto-based ALZA Corporation in 1976 "one of the first things I did was network ALZA," he recalls, drawing on his ARPA experience. He served in various capacities, including vice president and executive vice president for corporate strategy. He retired from ALZA in 1990 but consulted on mission-and-values issues for two more years.
He has served on numerous community boards and advisory boards, and currently is in his second stint on the board of the Menlo Park Fire Protection District, which covers Menlo Park, Atherton, East Palo Alto and parts of unincorporated San Mateo County. (See his C.V. for his complete background [Web Link here] .)
He is proud of the fire district's transparency and its requirement that labor-negotiation results must be public for 15 days before the board can vote to adopt them.
It was his first term on the fire-district board in 2003 that alerted him to the retirement time bomb. He and other board members voted to support a 3 percent retirement at age 50 rather than the earlier 2.5 percent at 55 -- similar to what then-Governor Gray Davis granted state prison guards.
CalPERS, the state retirement board, "was making so much on its investments that we voted for it," Carpenter recalls of the days before the bottom fell out of the economy.
"It was the dumbest thing I ever did," he says now. "We didn't have to account for unfunded liabilities."
Other public-safety employees got similar boosts, partly in lieu of immediate salary increases and because of generally lower pay. But over the past decade or so public-safety pay caught up and began to surpass the median income of taxpayers in many communities, Carpenter said.
The district and its firefighters locked horns on pay and benefits in 2008, when the union said it wanted an 11 percent raise. For 2 1/2 years there has been no new contract agreement. Under the official state-declared impasse the district can impose a new contract.
The trend overall is to push for a so-called two-tiered system, with new employees getting a lower level of benefits than existing employees.
In the big picture, Carpenter feels his e-mail campaign "has made a very minor dent" by raising awareness of some local officials. But the pay-and-benefits matter has national implications, and a fairness aspect.
"We pay our firefighters more than we pay Navy Seals. We pay the average firefighter more than we pay the colonel who flies Air Force One."
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a resident of Crescent Park
on Dec 20, 2011 at 12:28 pm
I think this IS a huge question. The average benefits I have seen mostly seem reasonable, but there are some situations where opaqueness or politics has lavished money and benefits way past anything reasonable. You can walk up and down a spectrum of stories that will yank you one way or the other, but when you find abuses or even crimes, what is there to do. What is a fair answer to these questions? I have not heard anyone really explain and describe the problem in a factual way that does justice to the question. It is not fair to alter agreements to some that were negotiated and signed - nor is it fair for those that do not have such agreements that they get no security or benefits merely because they had no political leverage to rip-off the taxpayers. The whole issue can be seen in the rest of the economy as well and in the whole idea of compensation and benefits.
It seems like most of the answers to our current problems are so complex and intractable that we just settle for dumping the injustice and problems on to the weakest groups and people. I am not impressed by this kind of practice in our country and state that claims so much superiority over the rest of the world.
a resident of College Terrace
on Dec 20, 2011 at 3:16 pm
This seems like good opportunity to invite Stephen Levy to respond to Peter Carpenter's concerns. I am not an economist, but it seems to me that a combination of bailouts and inflation will be how we muddle through this issue, like it or not.
a resident of Community Center
on Dec 21, 2011 at 1:23 pm
I am not surprised, but I am disappointed in the lack of responses to Jay's article. I also want to thank Peter for his efforts to bring this issue to the public's attention. It is part of a larger issue in this country (and the world) where folks are unwilling to fund expenses so they go in to debt. On some levels the problem is more obvious (the national debt), although the solutions do not seem likely to be acted upon. The unfunded public employee pension benefit is even more of a challenge because it is not on most folks radar. They are more concerned with their daily lives and providing for their families. Most aren't financially sophisticated enough to understand unfunded liabilities and the level of future expense outflows that are being accumulated. The ones who do understand the issue are the public employee unions and the politicians. But rather than address the issue, the unions fund the election of politicians who continue to grant unsustainable pensions. I'm not sure the problem will be resolved unless a group of individuals with private contributions is able to put an initiative on the ballot to address the problems. I would recommend the following:
1.) all budgets need to be balanced every year, including the present value of all future payments that have already been committed to
2.) all public employees pensions should be converted to defined contribution (no more defined benefit)
3.) all public employees (including safety workers) should have not begin to receive pension payouts until they turn 65. They can stop work earlier, or take a new job if they are no longer able to do their existing job, but the payouts shouldn't start until 65.
4.) Eliminate all the issues with double dipping
I could go on but I'm not sure it is a productive use of my time. I basically to get out a few key points.
It is so disappointiong that this issue does not get more attention.
a resident of Midtown
on Dec 21, 2011 at 5:55 pm
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And how about variable pensions? Everybody else has to take the blows.
a resident of Community Center
on Dec 21, 2011 at 6:38 pm
I think this is one of the most serious problems in the United States today. Peter, thanks for your unrelenting attention, to put it mildly, to this issue.
a resident of Midtown
on Dec 21, 2011 at 9:46 pm
From Los Altos Town Crier, 12/21: Resident's watchdog group plunges into pension debate
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a resident of Meadow Park
on Dec 22, 2011 at 7:53 am
Wow...I am quite impressed by both Peter Carpenter and Jay Thorwaldson's reporting/writing on Carpenter and his points.
BTW, of course we always like what we agree with, and I completely agree with Carpenter on unfunded pensions breaking us. We can't ( or at least we can try to "can't") break our promises already foolishly made to those already retired, or perhaps even within a couple years of retirement..but there is truly no reason to not delay retirement by age, ( add a year of work before retirment for every year less than 50 or something similar to raise the age of retirement to be more in line with private sector in their 60s), and to not "tier" retirement based on new hire vs already hireds. ( new hires retire later, get less...)
There are a lot of intelligent solutions to prevent the dam from breaking...let's listen to Carpenter.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Dec 22, 2011 at 1:14 pm
Carpenter is only one of many people trying to get this message out:
The best place to get a recap of the daily news on "pensions" is:
Pension Tsunami.com:
People are sort of getting the message, but the numbers are so big, that it's hard to find very many people who understand the reality of the issues, or the costs that society is looking at to pay off these obligations.
No one on the Palo Alto City Council seems to understand, at least as one can sense by the dearth of public communications about Palo Alto pension obligations to the public.
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Dec 23, 2011 at 3:13 am
Every firefighter and police officer that you see in this city will retire in their 50's, with a six figure yearly salary and full medical for the rest of their life! And we taxpayers will be paying for it.
a resident of Community Center
on Dec 23, 2011 at 8:08 am
A $100,000/yr pension is equivalent to about $2.5 million or more if paid in a lump sum. Think of that, be a firefighter and become a millionaire! In five years or less, state and city money spent in this area will severely crowd out spending in other important areas like education and healthcare. We need to make some hard choices now before it becomes too late.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Dec 23, 2011 at 9:13 am
It is about time....... Thank you for starting and hopefully more will take note.
a resident of Downtown North
on Dec 23, 2011 at 1:18 pm
He voted for it and now wants to complain about it and the fact that no one today will fix his mistake.
He should be embarrassed and go crawl under a rock.
a resident of Atherton
on Dec 24, 2011 at 9:40 am
What a joke to think that ignorance and denial are better than experience.
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