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Hacienda Business Park getting sporty
Original post made on Aug 21, 2008
According to city planning documents, the fitness corporation plans to operate a "super sport club," the second-highest level it offers, at 4770 Willow Road in the Hacienda Business Park.
Read the full story here Web Link posted Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 3:52 PM
Comments (15)
a resident of Foothill Knolls
on Aug 21, 2008 at 8:55 am
Its a wonderful thing to see 24 Hour Fitness upsizing and offering more programs.
Is there enough business in town to support both Club Sport and the new 24 Hour Fitness?
Would really hate to see Club Sport impacted as they have been huge for the area for so many years.
a resident of Dublin
on Aug 21, 2008 at 1:58 pm
That's great news - I'm just wondering how much they will charge existing members (all club except super sport), to go to this new facility. Since they are closing the existing facility, I would hope they give a discount. Prices I heard they charge range from an additional $10 to $20/month (that's on top of your yearly fee). Keep in mind, these members have already prepaid 3 years dues to get the yearly fee they are paying. I heard it might be cheaper to sign up for their "grand opening" specials - which might be $999 for 3 years and then $19/year after that? Anyone have any experience with these Super Sport clubs?
a resident of Vineyard Avenue
on Aug 21, 2008 at 3:41 pm
I've been to these before... at the end of the day, it's just another 24 hour fitness, except you have to pay more for a few more machines. It's a bummer they are expanding, because if I am paying for a higher end gym, I'd rather join ClubSport.
a resident of Stoneridge
on Aug 24, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Can't beat Express Fitness on Rosewood... they have everything you need for a very low price. Low initiation fee ($40-$50) and $16/month thereafter. It's clean and they have everything you need for cardio and lifting which includes free weights, and a lot of nice machines. No pool, bar, or luxury locker rooms, but you get what you pay for here... Former member of Club Sport also...too much $ for what I used it for.
a resident of Downtown
on Aug 24, 2008 at 11:49 pm
I am currently go to San Ramon for the Super Sport gym there because of how crappy the current one in Pleasanton is. The dues are $88 without any discounts which can be negotiated down. I am paying $44 a month w.o a contract and I didn't have to pay an initiation fee. Also comes with access to all gyms. The Super Sport is basically everything you need that Club Sport has minus the massages, tennis courts, rock climbing, and raquet ball courts. For the $44 a pay a month, I think this is a big bargain compared to Club Sport. This will really give Club Sport a run for the money.
a resident of Dublin
on Aug 25, 2008 at 12:02 pm
I signed up at 24 in San Ramon so I could get the Super Sport membership and everything else below it. My membership gives me access to every 24 except 2 ultra sports (one in Irvine and one currently being built in New York). My pre-pay deal got me 3 years for $1250 and a renewal rate of $149 year for life ($12.50/month), plus 5, 50-minute training sessions (I ended up buying another 10 sessions when that was over with due to good results). When San Ramon renovated and had a grand re-opening in 2006, my wife got 3 years pre-pay for $949, 10 training sessions, and a yearly renewal of $29! I'm telling you, if you're thinking about signing up at a gym, go the 24 route, and DO THE PRE-PAY. I didn't like the idea of dropping over a grand for a membership on the spot, but think about it, if you get a deal like my wife did (or something close to it), when it comes time to renew for the 4th year and thereafter, you're looking at less than $2.50 a month for access to virtually any club.
As far as this new 24 goes, awesome! I go to the Pleasanton location more frequently than I do San Ramon because it is a little closer since I moved to Dublin. I assume the new 24 will be open 24 hours unlike the current Pleasanton club that has some whack weekend hours.
a resident of Rosewood
on Aug 27, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Everyone be careful. They recently did this in Moraga and tried screwing all existing members, until Michael Finney/7 on your side profiled it and only then did 24Hour "grandfather" existing members. I'm currently paying $19/all clubs for years and have seen abuses, class action settlements, etc. If you are an existing member, make sure your card is scanned in at least every week till then to establish an attendance record. Same thing in San Ramon few years back.
24Hour is nothing more than a supersales emporium marketing company merely attached to a healthclub. They need to change their name to "Final day fitness" in reference to their high pressure sales pitches.
a resident of Dublin
on Sep 12, 2008 at 10:46 am
This is excellent! There is such a demand in the area for a super fitness club. Look at the fact that ClubSport has over 5,000 members and it's family membership cost $250/month. Clearly, there is demand and hopefully it will force ClubSport to lower their outrageous fees!!
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Sep 29, 2008 at 11:46 pm
Anyone know when this club is scheduled to open?
a resident of Dublin
on Oct 16, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Even with 24 coming to Dublin I'm hanging on to my ClubSport membership...I like the resort feel of the place and the staff is really attentive, especially in KidsWorld. I'm sure ClubSport will lose some members due to pricing but I'd rather have the value of what's included at ClubSport.
a resident of Dublin
on Feb 25, 2009 at 4:05 pm
I am wondering if people that do not currently have Super Sport Club access, will they have access to this new club? If they won't have access, then they will be screwed because there are not other clubs close by.
a resident of Foothill High School
on Jun 16, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Is this still in the works?
a resident of Harvest Park Middle School
on Aug 30, 2010 at 11:06 am
You get what you pay for!! I will stick with ClubSport, thank you. Just in service alone, it is worth it.
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 30, 2010 at 2:03 pm
I was told by a Pleasanton 24Hr employee that they have just signed a 5 year lease on the present location, so my understanding is that there will be 2 locations in Pleasanton. The existing one on West Las Positas, and the new one which will have all the whistles and bells, and will cost more.
a resident of Dublin
on Dec 16, 2010 at 11:09 am
I just worked out at the new Super Club and it is huge and beautiful. Since I have worked out at the Pleasanton location this year, they grandfathered my membership to this location, so no additional fees. yay :)
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Coroner: Cause of death was strangulation, blunt force injury
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - The woman found dead on Sunday at the Crowne Plaza Hotel in Colorado Springs has been identified as 28-year-old Kimberly Walker.
Colorado Springs Police responded to the hotel on Circle Drive around 6:30 Sunday morning for a "check the well being" call. When they arrived, they found Walker's body in the room they were checking.
Greenville, North Carolina police said Montrell Lamar Anderson Mayo, 24, turned himself in Sunday afternoon for the killing. Mayo is originally from Greenville and still has family there, according to officers. Mayo is a soldier stationed at Fort Carson.
Greenville police said Walker may have died as early as Valentine's Day. On Tuesday, the El Paso County Coroner's Office announced that the cause of Walker's death was strangulation with a contributing factor of blunt force injury.
Walker was also in the Army, stationed at Fort Riley, Kansas. She was assigned to the 2nd General Support Aviation Battalion and served as a petroleum supply specialist. A Fort Riley spokesperson told KRDO NewsChannel 13 that Walker joined the military in 2004 and deployed to Iraq in 2010. Walker was originally from Cincinnati, Ohio.
Scanner traffic indicated that Mayo called his friend in Colorado Springs from Greenville and told him that his girlfriend was dead in a hotel room. The friend reported the information, according to scanner traffic. Police said Sunday morning they couldn't confirm that.
Mayo is being held without bond and is accused of first-degree murder.

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The one year plan
The one-year option
This seems to go on forever, but it's this belligerent attitude this council has every time you ask a question about Pequot city taxes that requires an answer. They tell you they're working on it through committees, consultants or it's a time thing they can't rush into, but after all it's been 14 months.
With this open meeting Tuesday, July 23, it's this type of meeting that there's supposed to be questions, and then answers from the council members, so the taxpayer in attendance can walk away with some idea where the council is going with this. Even though there is a one-year option plan in this proposal, it was never brought up.
So you can just bet this four-out-of-five Sibley-member council will ride this gravy train to the last stop, and take the three-year deal. And again, the Pequot taxpayer, as usual, will come out the loser and pick up the tab.
It's this city tax along with high water and sewer bills (ask me about the sewer rates sometime — the council screwed up on this one also), $1,400 a day to run a police department, etc. Taxes are killing this town and the council will definitely do nothing about it.
Scott Pederson, current council member, was the recipient of the 2003-09 commercial property tax break Sibley commercial property owners were given that started off at 50 percent and was phased in over a six-year period to equalize with the business owners in Pequot. As recently as June 13, to suggest a longer extension on the Sibley tax break, beyond the three years that's being proposed, takes guts.
Three years, maybe; but the one-year option is still open. Call!
It appears Chicago politics has come to Pequot Lakes.
Jack Schmidt,
Pequot Lakes


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Rangers edge Pequot Lakes girls on Monday
Chelsea Bonsante scored 29 points to lead the host Crosby-Ironton Rangers past the Pequot Lakes Patriots 77-72 in Mid-State Conference girls' basketball action on Monday, Feb. 18,
The Patriots, 6-4 in the Mid-State and 16-8 overall, were scheduled to end the regular season at Cold Spring Rocori on Tuesday, Feb. 19, and at Bagley on Thursday, Feb. 21, in a pair of non-conference games. Pequot Lakes will likely host a North Subsection 8AA playoff game on Thursday, Feb. 28.
The game was tied 38-38 at halftime and 72-72 at the end of regulation before the Rangers scored all five points of the overtime.
Kayla Miller led six scorers with 21 points for the Patriots, who had won four of their last five games. Vanessa Lane added 20 points, Jessica Kreitz followed with 15 points and Katie White scored 10.
Meredith Silgen scored 15 points and Shannon Lundgren 13 points and 11 rebounds for the Rangers, who improve to 4-6 in the conference and 12-13 overall.
Pequot Lakes 38 34 0 — 72
Crosby-Ironton 38 34 5 — 77
Brittny Bzdok 4, Vanessa Lane 20, Katie White 10, Kayla Miller 21, Abby Palmer 2, Jessica Kreitz 15. FG 26-59 (44 percent), FT 17-31 (54 percent). 3-point 3-9 (33 percent).
Lauren Peterson 8, Chelsey Bonsante 29, Hallie Schmidt 3, Bailey Swensen 6, Meredith Silgen 15, Shannon Lundgren 13 11 rebounds, Abby Gindorff 3. FG 28-57 (49 percent), FT 15-23 (65 percent). 3-point 6-13 (46 percent).
Patriots 73,
Grand Rapids 50
Miller had a game-high 21 points while Lane had 20 points and 15 rebounds as Pequot Lakes beat the visiting Thunderhawks in a non-conference matchup on Thursday, Feb. 14.
"(Grand Rapids) was ranked in the top 10 of Class 3A earlier in the year, but we had outstanding efforts from everyone in one of our better games of the year," said Pequot Lakes coach Jon Dale.
The Patriots grabbed a quick 4-0 lead on a pair of baskets by Lane, but the Thunderhawks rallied for a 9-7 advantage. It would be the last time that Grand Rapids would lead as Katie White's 3-point shot gave the hosts a 10-9 lead.
The visitors only trailed 25-20 with six minutes left in the opening half when White drilled another 3-point shot. Abby Palmer hit a short jumper and had a steal and layup to help the Patriots extend the lead to 34-24. Pequot Lakes then scored the next five points when Jessica Kreitz passed to Lane for a layup and Brittny Bzdok added a layup and free throw.
The Patriots, who led 39-29 at intermission, extended the advantage to 48-31 to start the second half. Grand Rapids did rally midway through the half and cut the deficit to 52-46. Pequot Lakes then blew the game open with a 21-4 run to close out the game, with Miller scoring 14 of those points
It was senior night and seniors Kreitz and Palmer received gifts from teammates.
White added 13 for the Patriots, who have won four of their last five games.
Grand Rapids 29 21 — 50
Pequot Lakes 39 34 — 73
Kenzie Kane 19, Maggie Gibbons 4, Jordan Olson 6, Megan Allen 8, Taylor Kane 9, Katie Anderson 4. FG (percent), FT 18-25 (percent).
Brittny Bzdok 9, Vanessa Lane 20, Katie White 13, Kayla Miller 21, Abby Palmer 2, Jessica Kreitz 8. FG 30-63 (48 percent), FT 11-19 (58 percent).
Patriots 75, C-I 63
Miller had 18 points, and six assists to lead Pequot Lakes to a Mid-State Conference victory over the visiting Rangers on Tuesday, Feb. 12.
The first half was tied five times before the half ended with the Patriots holding a 30-24 lead after a layup by Miller and a 3-point basket by Haley Wiebolt.
Lane went to the bench after her fourth foul with 12:44 remaining, and C-I managed to tie it at 46. But Pequot Lakes regained the lead on a 3-point basket by White.
The Patriots extended the lead to 59-52 with 4:45 remaining, but the Rangers would not go away as Lane fouled out and then Chelsey Bonsante nailed a 3-point shot to cut the deficit to 68-63 with 1:40 left. Pequot Lakes did finish strong with the final seven points to clinch the win.
"It hurt us when Vanessa (Lane) got into foul trouble, and we had a lot of turnovers," said coach Dale, "but (C-I) played us tough."
Kreitz added 15 points and Lane 14. Lauren Peterson and Meredith Silgen each had 13 points for the Rangers.
Pequot Lakes 30 45 — 75
Crosby-Ironton 24 39 — 63
Haley Wiebolt 3, Brittny Bzdok 12, Vanessa Lane 14, Katie White 11, Kayla Miller 18, Abby Palmer 2, Jessica Kreitz 15. FG 31-57 (54 percent), FT 9-16 (56 percent). 3-point 4-11 (36 percent).
Lauren Peterson 13, Chelsey Bonsante 10, Hallie Schmidt 8, Meredith Silgen 13, Shannon Lundgren 11, Abby Gindorff 8. FG 18-53 (34 percent), FT 23-31 (74 percent). 3-point 4-11 (36 percent).


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Hey everyone, it's Friday, time for another entry in the Reader Recommendations series!
My questions in bold. Mark′s answers
Thanks, Mark! My review is below!
Right from the titles you can tell it "Amélie" will be quirky, stylistic film. And it certainly is.
Growing up, Amélie's uptight parents cause her to lead an isolated, yet imaginative life. When she's of age to live on her own, she discovers a cigar box of children's toys and photographs hidden behind the floorboard of her apartment. Determined to track down its owner and return the box, she inquires of her neighbors about who used to live there. She eventually succeeds in returning the toys, and the reaction the man has to them is more than she could have imagined.
Which leads her to become addicted to helping people.
Now that she knows her neighbors, Amélie begins secretly kibitzing in their lives. She subtley plays matchmaker for a couple. She pranks an abusive boss. She sends a grieving widow a love letter. She sends a series of bizarre but wonderful events on video tape to a shut in. In the lives of nearly everyone around her, she finds some way to secretly try to bring joy or justice.
But what will happen when she has the opportunity to improve her own life? When sparks fly between Amélie and a stranger she meets in the subway, will she be brave enough to set up a romance for herself?
Audrey Tautou is fantastic and charming as the whimsical Amélie. I can see why such a fuss was made over performance here. She perfectly plays a shy, yet sprightly young woman who has no hesitation helping others, but who freezes up when its time to take a leap into romance herself. She's gorgeous and charming and winds up drawing you in to the movie… you'll find her irresistible and will want to root for her character.
The style and direction of the film are almost a character unto themselves. Director Jean-Pierre Jeunet creates an idiosyncratic film here, one with a look and feel all its own. At times, he'll fill the screen with an abundance of a single primary color. He always keeps the framing interesting and alive, as if it were dancing. But the primary element in the charm of the film are all the oddities he scatters about. Things like talking photographs, or a winking statue, or people who pop up from behind sewer grates to advise Amélie. It's a sublimely surrealistic style that makes an undeniable contribution to the sweet, whimsical tone of the film.
"Amélie" is a fun, sweet film that features inventive direction and a unforgetably charming lead performance. It's a movie that will warm hearts and bring smiles to faces, I can see why it's spoken of so highly. Thanks to Mark for a great recommendation!


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Community Presentation
February 16, 2013 at 2:00 PM - 3:00 PM
Il Monastero, 3050 Olive Street, St. Louis, Missouri 63103
Topics Covered: medicine, public health, business, engineering
Event Details
As the leading cause of death in the western world, congestive heart failure is on the top of many Americans' minds. Theodosios Alexander, Sc.D. (a.k.a. Theodosios Korakianitis), Dean of Parks College of Engineering, Aviation and Technology at Saint Louis University, has dedicated aspects of his research to changing the way that engineers and doctors think about the treatment of the debilitating disease.
A special community presentation on the subject will take place at 2 p.m. Saturday, Feb. 16, at the University's Il Monastero, 3050 Olive (east of Compton). The event is free and open to the public, however registration is requested. Parking is available on the lot adjoining the building.
Dean Alexander will address, in lay-person's terms, the development of mechanical circulatory support devices. These are pumps designed to prolong the lives of patients suffering from congestive heart failure. He also will review the human heart as a pumping system and discuss his optimal design of the next generation of mechanical circulatory support devices.
Alexander's two devices are designed to address different stages of the disease and are currently under development, the first in London and the second at SLU. Both devices are designed to be installed with minimally invasive surgery and not attached to the heart, unlike current ventricular assist devices (VADs).
The presentation will be followed by a reception, where individuals can speak with Dean Alexander about his life-changing research.
Alexander has been awarded the Inventor of the Year Award by the UK National Health Service Innovations Program for his personal research on mechanical circulatory support devices, and actively pursues the development and commercialization of these devices in London and now in St. Louis.
His work is a paradigm shift in cardiac assist devices promising to change medical practices in the field. The outcome of this research has enormous implications for the quality of life of patients, for their caregivers, and financial advantages for the long-term provision of medical care to these patients.
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Dakota Dave Hull to play Oct. 25 in Nisswa
Dakota Dave Hull is the next musical artist scheduled to perform in the Grassroots Concerts series at 7:30 p.m. Friday, Oct. 25, in the Live Well Nightclub and Coffee Bar, Nisswa.
Hull's guitar style spans a wide musical geography, creating a blend of jazz, ragtime, folk, blues, Western swing and vintage pop. He spent his early days at the Coffeehouse Extempore playing with Sean Blackburn, and in recent years has put out albums on his own Arabica label.
The rest of the Silver Anniversary Grassroots Concerts Season includes: Nov. 8, Chastity Brown; and Nov. 22, Mary Bue.
Admission is $10 at the door for adults and $5 for children under 12 with listening attention, when accompanied by an adult. Seating is first-come, first-served. Doors open at 6:30 p.m.
The Live Well Nightclub and Coffee Bar, 5459 County Road 18, is located in the Journey Church across from the A&W Restaurant and next to the school in Nisswa.
Grassroots Concerts are made possible in part by a grant from the Five Wings Arts Council through the Minnesota State Legislature. The series is a 501c(3) non-profit under the Internal Revenue Code.
The concert series encourages donations of non-perishable items from those attending.
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text: I expected better from the Panthers' defense. They made the same mistake that the Packers' defense did against the Niners. Hopefully, the Seahawks will finally knock off San Fran. I'm sick of that team, although I am jealous of how Harbaugh has turned that franchise around in a few short years.


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Walking on thin ice
Footprints were visible in the snow Wednesday, Nov. 28, leading out onto the ice just above the dam in Pine River.
Pine River Police Chief Paul Sand said his department has responded twice to instances of children on the ice at the dam. The children were around the ages of 12-14, he said, and were told they should not be on the ice.
"They're old enough to know better," Sand said.
He also suggested, though, that parents inform their kids.
"Thin ice" signs were recently put up, and Sand said more are on the way.
"The ice there isn't safe," he said. "The weather hasn't stayed that cold. Common sense would dictate, stay off the ice."
Local authorities agree that no matter what the activity, great caution must be taken on the ice.
A few fishermen were seen on the Highway 371 bay of North Long Lake the weekend of Dec. 1.
Sherree Wicktor, of S&W Bait just south of that bay, said that bay and Lake Margaret had around 3-4 inches of ice that weekend, but the weather was warming up.
That caused areas near channels to open up, she said. She thinks the ice fishing season will start late.
"It looks like (the season's) starting like last year and going to be slow again," Wicktor said.
The Holiday station in Crosslake reported selling bait, but employees hadn't seen anyone on area lakes.
The Minnesota Department of Natural Resources (DNR) states on its website "there is no such thing as 100 percent safe ice."
The DNR states that no one should travel on ice that is 2 inches thick or less. For new, clear ice, 4 inches is safe for ice fishing and other activities on foot, 5 inches is enough for an ATV or snowmobile, 8-12 inches is needed for a car or small pickup, and 12-15 inches is needed for a medium truck.
Crosslake Police Chief Robert Hartman reported the channel between Cross Lake and Daggett Lake had been frozen over but reopened, indicating that ice in that area is not going to be safe this time of year.
The biggest problem area he sees is the channel at the Wharf restaurant between Cross and Rush lakes. That channel stays open year-round, he said.
In addition to the numerous channels on the Whitefish Chain, Hartman said there are springs that will keep the ice thin or non-existent even on very cold days. He recommended checking with bait shops and resorts before going out on the ice.
"People follow the shoreline on snowmobiles but up here we have a lot of springs and even that is not safe," Hartman said. "If you're not familiar, go out during the day and follow marked trails. We have a great trail system."
"You can't judge the strength of ice just by its appearance, age, thickness, temperature or whether or not the ice is covered in snow," the DNR states.
"Strength is based on all these factors — plus the depth of water under the ice, size of the water body, water chemistry and currents, distribution of the load on the ice, and local climatic conditions."


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My bees arrived. I got my very first bees, a nuc of Russians. Boy are they dark little beauties! Some almost all black! And despite the rumor that I heard that they were more aggressive than Italians, they were delightfully well mannered, not stinging and allowing this clumsy newbeek to feel right at home almost immediately. I think I'm in love!
Now for the test. I put them in the suspended nuc box under the tbh. I want to post a picture, but can't figure it out.
With any luck they will move up and start building and when Queen starts laying up there I will yank the box and put in a floor and WA LA!
There was only one scary moment where we could not find Queen anywhere and it turns out she was in the pile of left over bees on the bottom of the old nuc. YIKES! We scooped her up and put her in. I hope she's ok!!!!
Gotta say, I think this Newbeek is HOOKED!


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Sir Albert Coates Oration
Speech delivered by Steve Gower AO AO (Mil) ME, Director, Australian War Memorial on 25 November 2008 at Ballarat University.
I do not need to say to a group such as this that Lieutenant Colonel Sir Albert Coates is a towering figure in Australian military history. Notwithstanding, it is worth acknowledging some highlights of his life.
He was among the first volunteers in the First World War to join the Australian Imperial Force (AIF); he served with the infantry on Gallipoli and on the Somme. On his return, he studied medicine, and shortly before the start of the Second World War was one of Victoria's leading surgeons. He enlisted again at the age of 46 and became the senior surgeon of the 2/10th Australian General Hospital. After the fall of Singapore, he spent considerable time in different prisoner-of-war camps in Burma and Thailand. He ultimately became chief medical officer and consultant surgeon at a camp that at its peak had a strength of over 7,000 prisoners and 35 doctors.
All the prisoners of war suffered unimaginable horrors and atrocities from their captors. Amid this nightmare, the doctors were a beacon at hope, often a buffer between the sick and the Japanese. Pragmatically, Coates was said to have encouraged prisoners to eat anything remotely edible – I need not to go into the detail of what that entailed.
After the war he returned to his career in Victoria and for a time was probably Australia's best known former prisoner-of-war doctor. Yet, over time his profile has been eclipsed by that of his former student and colleague, Lieutenant Colonel Sir Edward "Weary" Dunlop. [1]
In this oration, I will speak about the remembrance and commemoration of individuals before going on to talk about Anzac Day and commemoration and remembrance in general.
I find it rather sad that Sir Albert Coates's inspiring service has been overshadowed, as indeed has been that of most of the other doctors – Dunlop aside – who served their fellow Australians with such great compassion and care. Their service is officially recognised by a statue in the grounds at the Australian War Memorial. However, the work is clearly recognisable as being "Weary", in his early-60s, I'd hazard a guess. The nearby plaque says the statue commemorates all doctors who have served. But I feel the reality is that the statue has become "Weary's" and no-one else's, which is a pity.
On the other side of the Memorial's front entrance is a statue to Private John Simpson Kirkpatrick, struck in the familiar role everyone understands him to have undertaken on Gallipoli – the dangerous task of evacuating the wounded down from the forward positions to the beach using a donkey. It's interesting to reflect that Simpson wasn't all that well known until the mid-1950s, aside from sanitised versions of this very earthy "saint". His death is mentioned by Bean – a cryptic "shot through the heart" – but there's not much else [2] . I think Bean would now be astounded that Simpson has gained such prominence. Even the donkey depicted in the statue has received an honour, an RSPCA award. The Simpson legend and myth certainly does appeal. The poet Philip Salom has written that Simpson seemed a contradiction: an individual, a simpleton, perhaps even a saint [3]. Therein possibly lies his appeal.
For some unknown reason, there's no statue at the Memorial of Albert Jacka, who was the first Australian to be awarded the Victoria Cross on Gallipoli. He led two successive attacks in May 1915 to recapture a vital part of the key position, Courtney's Post. His superior officer found him afterwards with an unlit cigarette in his mouth, flushed with excitement, and all he could say, in typical Australian understatement, was, "I managed to get the beggars, sir". Later in August, a total of seven VCs were awarded for the savage fighting around Lone Pine. I doubt many could now name one: yet they all represented extraordinary selfless bravery that we should celebrate in the Australian character. Jacka subsequently was awarded two Military Crosses on the Western Front. Bean said one was for the most dramatic and effective act of individual audacity in the history of the AIF. Later Mayor of St Kilda, Jacka had a troubled life on his return to Australia and died quite young, in January 1932. Arguably one of Australia's greatest front-line soldiers, his funeral was led by over 1,000 returned soldiers, with eight VC winners as his pall-bearers.
The story of the VC awarded to Arthur Blackburn is another epic. On Gallipoli he and another soldier penetrated about 1,500 metres inland, arguably the furthest any soldier achieved during the campaign. At Pozières he led four attacks that eventually overcame fierce resistance and drove the enemy from a key strong-point and 250 metres of trench. He then attacked and captured another 120 metres of trench. Pozières was the place of which Bean said the ground was more densely sown with Australian sacrifice than any other place on earth.
You would be excused for thinking Blackburn had served his country enough. But he volunteered again in the Second World War, serving in Syria as the commanding officer of a machine-gun battalion, then found himself as the commander of a force cobbled together to help defend Java from the Japanese. He was captured and was to spend four years as a prisoner of war in Singapore, Japan, Korea, and Manchuria.
But who remembers Blackburn these days?
And there is another great soldier we should all remember: "Diver" Derrick of the famous 2/48th Battalion, the most decorated battalion of the Second World War. Awarded a Distinguished Conduct Medal for gallantry in North Africa, he fought a lone battle against the enemy at a place called Sattelberg, north of Lae. Hurling grenade after grenade, he completely demoralised the enemy and enabled his battalion to gain a foothold on a key Japanese position. For this he was awarded a Victoria Cross. Promoted to lieutenant, he was to die with his men towards the end of the war in Borneo. "Diver" at least had a bridge named in his honour at Port Adelaide recently[4].
I could quote many other examples. It seems we don't want to remember the warriors, those that the country calls upon to do the bloody and dangerous business of closing with the enemy and killing them. I was staggered watching Chris Masters's final Four Corners program the evening before Remembrance Day to see an agitated youngish historian seemingly complain that the AIF in France were trained to be excellent killers[5]. Sorry, but that was why nations maintained field armies then, and indeed now, if they are to be useful tools of foreign policy.
But I suppose it's understandable in a way. No-one really wants to be reminded of the horrors of war, the loss, the hardship, the obscenity of it, the killing of people in the nation's name, and particularly of such things as what that famous Victorian warrior "Pompey" Elliott wrote in a letter to his wife soon after Lone Pine: "I cannot wear my tunic today because it is all soiled and stained with a poor boy's brains which were splashed all over it.[6]"
Pompey was a tragic figure, who saw his brigade cut to pieces in the ill-conceived tragedy that was Fromelles in 1916, and who played a prominent part in blunting the great German offensive around Villers-Bretonneux in 1918. He ended up disillusioned and embittered after the war, and committed suicide in 1931.
The interesting thing in all of this is that people such as Jacka were household names for a while on their return. Australians are not militaristic or martial people, but for many years they showed a high regard for their military heroes. I've mentioned Jacka and Elliott. General Sir John Monash drew a crowd in Melbourne streets estimated at 300,000 when he died in 1931. Later the funeral of Field Marshal Sir Thomas Blamey, Monash's chief of staff in the First World War and Australia's Second World War senior commander, drew a similar number, notwithstanding that he was a controversial figure[7].
Having said that, the valour, courage, and achievements of the men of the First AIF were much better known to the people of France and Belgium, who held them in the highest of esteem. Typical are stories from 1918 when in the Somme region civilians and military alike were fleeing in despair from the advancing Germans. A British major said the Australians he encountered moving to the front were the first cheerful, stubborn people he had met during the entire retreat. An Australian confidently said to a group of French people, "Fini retreat, Madame, beaucoup Australians, ici"[8] . They believed him and the Australians then lived up to that confident prediction, particularly around Villers-Bretonneux, where they made such an impression that to this day the school yard and classrooms carry the words (in French), "Never forget Australia".
As Les Carlyon said in his book The Great War, we – meaning Australians at the time – never saw them perform their great deeds [9] . They came home, in a sense, as strangers and kept their memories privately. To learn about the exploits of their fellow countrymen, Australians initially had to rely on war correspondents, one British, one Australian. Awareness of the Gallipoli campaign first came from British correspondent Ellis Ashmead-Bartlett's florid prose. Reporting by the sole Australian official correspondent, Charles Bean, was more measured. Bean, of course, later became the official historian to record Australia's involvement in the First World War.
Ashmead-Bartlett spoke of the Australians on Gallipoli as being "tried for the first time and not found wanting"[10] . They were said to be heroic figures, blessed with great courage. With such accounts, it's easy to understand how the men of Anzac soon acquired almost a mythical status.
Bean sought to invest in the soldiers the values he perceived in the men – the miners and those on the land – who inhabited the difficult country of Western New South Wales along the Darling River and of whom he had written before the war in his book On the wool track. Bean believed their bush values typified all the Australians who fought, particularly their value of mateship[11]. We know now that the bulk of the AIF came from the city and towns, but Bean continued with this approach in his writings, praising their achievements and recognising their individual courage. His books are not about strategy and tactics, but rather focused on the individual soldier. But what a wonderful uplifting story it is, something that has come to be the one great national narrative.
What had hit the population at home, and hit it hard, were the losses. Over half the eligible males had gone off to the Great War. Only 1 in 3 were to return physically untouched. We realise now that many of those that did return suffered mentally.
To recognise the great loss of 60,000 of their fellow countrymen, a spontaneous community commemorative movement sprang up, the first memorial being sited outside the post office in Newcastle in 1916[12] . This movement came to life even as the certificates from the sovereign acknowledging the sacrifice of the fallen and the bereaved mothers' badges were still being distributed. It was particularly driven by the realisation that the remains of loved ones would stay overseas. For in accordance with a policy that would remain in force, unbelievably, until 1965, if you died overseas, you were buried overseas in one of the massive war cemeteries that came part of the landscape where campaigns had been waged. There were only two exceptions to this rule.
The remains of Major General Sir William Throsby Bridges, the commander on Gallipoli of Australia's 1st Division, were returned – as was his charger, Sandy, the only horse that was to have that good fortune. Sandy enjoyed retirement on the pastures surrounding the remount depot at Maribyrnong until he died. Sandy's head is preserved in the Memorial's collection in Canberra.
The other remains returned from the First World War were those of the Unknown Australian Soldier, but that was not until 1993.
In due course there was a scarcely a small town across Australian that did not have its war memorial. Quite a few were simple stone figures of a classless soldier without rank, of sombre expression, resting on his arms – reversed on a plinth. Usually a roll of honour provided a list of locals who had enlisted, with the names of those who died indicated by a asterisk or cross.
Many large businesses and state institutions installed their own honour rolls, often with gold lettering on polished timber panels. We also have a number of these, which otherwise would have been discarded, in the National Collection.
In larger towns the memorial devices were more ambitious, with prominent clock towers, memorial halls and institutes, commissioned sculptures, commemorative archways and tree plantings all being installed and dedicated. Of the latter, Ballarat's arch and avenue is an outstanding example.
In the capitals, major shrines were constructed. In Sydney, Bruce Delitt's art-deco creation, the Anzac Memorial, embodying Rayner Hoff's sculptures, sits impressively behind a pool of reflection in Hyde Park. Several sculptures came to be omitted after strong protests by clergyman and principally the Catholic Church[13]. In Melbourne, the outstanding classical revival Shrine of Remembrance dominates the sightline down Swanston St to St Kilda Road.
Most of these monuments made reference to the Glorious Dead who fell serving King and Country. If ever there were such glory in war (and Monash spoke of his hopes for a "glorious" victory before the battle of Amiens in 1918), it seems to be conspicuously absent from the commemorative vocabulary these days, and rightfully so to my mind. But at the time such language would have given comfort to the bereaved, suggesting there was some higher cause that justified the grievous loss of a father, husband, son, brother, nephew, or uncle. However, to quote "Pompey" Elliot again: "when anyone speaks to you of the glory of war, picture yourself a narrow line of trenches two and sometimes three deep with bodies (and think too of your best friends …) mangled and torn beyond recognition ... that is war and such is glory – whatever the novelist might say"[14] . However, "glorious" justifiably can live on in another commemorative sense. The late Major General Paul Cullen, a distinguished Second World War soldier, said this at the Australian War Memorial in 2005, not long before he died: "War is an obscenity, but bravery is glorious.[15] "
In contrast, after the Second World War, when a further 40,000 Australian men and women had to be added to Rolls of Honour and accorded respect and remembrance, commemoration took a different form. Structures were more practical and functional. There were things such as "Tobruk" swimming pools inspired by the stoic and determined performance of the "Rats" in North Africa, libraries, memorial halls and commemorative gates, most now forlornly no longer in use. The associated prose was less overblown.
Even before the end of the Great War, Bean had convinced the government of the day of the need to have a major war memorial in the young national capital, Canberra. The then British commander of the AIF, General Birdwood, whose name lives on in the small South Australian country town of Birdwood, wrote to all his commanders in 1917 urging them to start collecting relics for inclusion in the planned memorial's collection. Artists were commissioned, such as Will Dyson, Arthur Streeton, and George Lambert, along with the photographers Hubert Wilkins and Frank Hurley, to record and interpret the conditions under which the troops had served.
Bean hoped for an exquisite, solemn building that would serve a number of purposes. A central shrine would commemorate those who fell. A series of museum galleries would help visitors better understand the campaigns in which everyone had fought. Bean termed this approach "commemoration by understanding". He believed that only by faithfully recounting the stories of those that served, supported by a range of collection items, could those without military experience gain some insight and comprehension of what their fellow countrymen had endured on their behalf. There would also be a central repository, or archive, containing the records of war. Central to the vision was that it would be the deeds of the ordinary decent Australian soldier that would be recorded in this place. There would be no place for political statements and other such matters, aside from the necessity to give a visitor some context for the commitment.
Bean's vision took some time to realise. A design competition ended up with an amalgamation of two designs: one art-deco, the other classical and drawing on Middle East influences. It was not until Remembrance Day 1941 that this great national memorial to honour those who fought in the Great War was opened. By then Australia had been fighting the same enemy for two years in another world war, and the beginning of the Pacific War was only weeks away.
The first observance of Anzac Day, the anniversary of the landing, took place in 1916, with the first Dawn Service taking place in 1927. In his History of Australia, Manning Clark summarised prevailing sentiments. When I first read it, I found it surprising there were dissenting opinions then, just as there are now, but that is what one would expect in a democracy. Newspapers speculated that the observance of Anzac Day was beginning to be the "one day of the year, the central event in an Australian secular religion for one section of society". A poet thought it was an occasion to "hear the trumpet call to a nobler life". Others thought it was "a day of inspiration" and that the Anzacs had created "a name and glory that will never die"[16].
There were, of course, quite different views. The "comfortable classes" were said to be filling a religious void by supporting Anzac and Remembrance Days and other symbols of imperialist ties. The Labor Party, Manning Clark recorded, did not share the vision of the "one day", were dubious about it, and saw the class wars as the central fact of life[17].
Initial observance of Anzac Day was for those who had served and therefore had a common bond, but there was a place for the bereaved. There were religious divides, and for some time Catholics could not attend a service presided over by a Protestant clergyman. There was at least one attempt to make religious capital out of distinguished service. The Archbishop of Melbourne, His Grace Dr Daniel Mannix, had led opposition to conscription during the war, describing the conflict as a "sordid trade war". As a result he had faced accusations of disloyalty. Seemingly to counter that, John Wren, a gambling and sporting identity, arranged on his behalf for 14 Victoria Cross winners to head up the St Patrick's Day Procession in 1920. They were theatrically mounted on white chargers. On the other side of the religious divide, General Sir Harry Chauvel, the first Australian to command a corps-sized force in battle, as a devout Anglican refrained from leading a march to the Shrine in Melbourne on Anzac Day because he believed the service had been "de-christianised" to accommodate Catholic sensibilities[19].
Throughout this time, however, one thing remained constant, irrespective of conflicting views. Anzac Day was a solemn occasion, at least in the morning: no sport, no trading, and no frivolity were acceptable.
In the 1960s, with community divisions caused by the war in Vietnam, the purpose and point of Anzac Day came under assault, it being perceived by some as a glorification of war and of decreasing relevance to the nation. Again, to quote from Manning Clark, "restraints on behaviour were thrown aside during this time". Nothing was sacred: certainly Anzac Day, its meaning and its rituals, was not exempt[20].
Alan Seymour's play The one day of the year, written in 1960 portrayed the challenge in terms of a clash between a veteran, his mate, and his offspring. It caused a great controversy at the time. Although he admits to having only read an extract of it, the central proposition struck a responsive chord with playwright Louis Nowra. Nowra recorded his anger at what he describes as "those drunken men who seemed oafish and braggarts". However, he softened his views when he realised that many were scarred by war and "possessed a complex and distressing interior life"[21] . With forthright honesty, Seymour in 1999 admitted that he had "got it wrong", and the veterans he had ridiculed concealed beneath their pride and cockiness "a residue of struggle, pain, loss, and endurance"[22].
Similarly, a young academic (now Dean of the Faculty of Arts at the Australian National University), Joan Beaumont, probably typified the activism of a section of students when she said "we confidently expected Anzac Day to sink into terminal decline ... Diggers were seen as boozy relics, and war service was painted as an atrocity." She went on to say that war "was not something to be recalled with pride"[23] .
Novelist and poet David Malouf wrote that he was divided between a humbling respect for the experience and for those who had endured it, and on the other hand impatience, sometimes rising to anger, at the institutionalised version and at what he thought was its shoddy rhetoric[24]. In the 1980s, many historians were predicting that interest would fade, and the Australian War Memorial would, of necessity, need to transform itself by becoming a peace memorial. The Memorial's Military History section, led the way by focusing on war and society, the social implications of war, rather than on the experience of men and woman in the various campaigns.
Without exception, none of these confident and self-assured commentators anticipated that within a decade Anzac Day would be spontaneously reinvigorated. They would have been bemused were they to know that in 2005 The Australian newspaper would nominate the Digger as the Australian of the year.
It is quite striking when you read what some authors, playwrights, and academics have said about their understanding of, and regard for, Anzac Day. It's almost as if they were disappointed that the day has emerged as central to Australia life, and that it's still cherished. They find it hard to accept that its central core relates to ordinary, decent Australians doing their duty in accordance with their values and inherent character. Some seek to derive more profound and deeper meaning. They erect various strawmen, such as that nationalism underpins the day; that patriotic fervour is encouraged by Anzac Day observances; that the day lacks integrity, allegedly because Australians only have fought in other peoples' wars; and that it's become a focus for philistinism and cultural and racial chauvinism[25]. These strawmen are then demolished, and the event is denigrated to the obvious satisfaction and gratification of these critics. In doing so, they do not seem to be particularly sensitive to the aspirations and values of ordinary, decent Australians, let alone concerned about past issues of countering fascism and aggression or concepts of national interest.
Since 1990 attendances at Anzac Day ceremonies at the Australian War Memorial have increased dramatically, and I believe this has been reflected around the nation[26] . For the marches, be they in the capitals or in the country, there's something moving about seeing the ranks of be-medalled silvery-haired men and women marching behind their unit and corps banners, which literally represent their home, their identity, and their family when on active service.
The Dawn Service is something uniquely Australian. People gather in the darkness. Often it is chilly. Whatever, everyone has made a personal effort to get out of a warm bed to attend. It is an egalitarian occasion: no tickets, no reserved seats nor special enclosures, no military pomp. People are not sure with whom they are standing. There is a minor religious component to most Dawn Services, unlike the main ceremonies, which tend to be secular. I am inclined to believe attendees do not want to have an overtly religious ceremony, with exhortations about good overcoming evil. Religious absolutism does not seem to have much appeal in the cold of an April morning. The most effective sermon I ever heard was by a female NZ Navy chaplain, who engaged attendees by contrasting the slight sacrifice they had made to attend in the early morning with what befell the original Anzacs all those years ago.
I think attendees are not motivated by anything other than the desire to be part of a genuinely Australian ceremony, something which in many cases is given more personal meaning through a connection with a family member: perhaps a vaguely remembered grandfather or great uncle, someone they feel they would like to know more about. Often the next step is an online search for more information on our website or at the National Archives of Australia.
It's probable that attendees also want better insight into just what motivated those people to serve their country under such arduous and dangerous circumstances, something that is incomprehensible to some now.
As our Prime Minister has said several times this year, there is no higher calling than to serve in the country's uniform. Anzac Day is firstly about remembering those who served, but also about the legacy they have left to family and friends, and to the broader community. On balance, the bedrock Anzac values of mateship, rough-hewn high spirited humour, courage, endurance, and a sense of giving everyone a "fair-go" in life seem to appeal well enough to many contemporary Australians. I readily concede they do not represent the pinnacle of intellectual aspirations that some hope Australians might aspire to. They perhaps relate more easily to sporting and outdoor pursuits than to the arts and literature. But nor are such cultural endeavours, the very basis of a civilised society, specifically excluded either.
Nor do I believe that mentioning values implicit in the Anzac legend is part of an underlying attempt, either subtle nor overt, to glorify Anzac Day and deliberately make it part of nation-building. War is far too destructive and wasteful an activity to relate to glory, notwithstanding such sentiments 90 years ago.
Over the years there have been claims made there is an institutionalised version of Anzac Day, as if there were an agreed script that is relentlessly pushed by "them". It was only last month that cartoonist Michael Leunig railed in The Sydney Morning Herald against alleged "manipulation [of Anzac Day] for political advantage"; he also asserted that Anzac Day "must now be done with bluster, hoopla and media hypnotism"[27]. That's all very colourful and sweeping, possibly amusing, but really quite lacking in insight. Just like the men of the First and Second AIF – volunteers all – people attend Anzac Day of their own volition. It's an interesting proposition to think crowds can be manipulated with Leunig's supposed hoopla and bluster to attend a ceremony on a public holiday at 5 am. If large crowds attend an event, of course the media will be interested. As for politicians becoming involved, which some people seem to resent, they have been so for many years, and as our democratically elected leaders that should to be both natural and something to be welcomed.
There have always been differences and debate since the very origin of Anzac Day over just what it represents. Former Prime Minister Paul Keating's recent comments were just a continuation of that. His reported remarks that it was "utter and complete nonsense that Australia was redeemed" on the slopes of Gallipoli might really be seen as nothing more than the long-held views of elements withing the Labor movement dating back to the First World War period, to which I alluded earlier[28] . I must say, however, that I have never heard the term "redeemed" applied to Gallipoli. But I've certainly heard then Prime Minister Billy Hughes's view that Australia as a nation was born on the shores of Gallipoli, with the event being much more important than Federation. Mr Keating went on to say he had attempted to redress and rebalance Australian's wartime history by stressing the importance of Kokoda in the battle for Australia. That's an interesting proposition, with yet another set of different beliefs and suppositions. Suffice to say, there can be no one universally endorsed view.
What is indisputable, however, is that at Gallipoli and at Kokoda, and at battlefields elsewhere around the world, those Australians who served displayed mateship, courage, and sacrifice. If only because of that, they should be remembered with fondness, compassion, and admiration. They certainly loved their country, with all its strengths and weaknesses. Having said that we shouldn't attempt to hang too much meaning onto their actions that even the participants would not have subscribed to, such as they fought, amongst other things, for the freedom of speech. One hears that claim occasionally from publicity-seeking people attempting to justify their controversial views and actions. I cannot say I've ever heard a soldier say he was risking himself other than for family, home, his mates, and his way of life, and I'd never expect to.
I will conclude by returning to the essence of what I believe we are commemorating and remembering. It's the ordinary decent individual Australian man and woman, whom we all can recognise, and the values they displayed when serving the nation in its time of need. These values have endured, are easily related to, and are uplifting. And that's probably why they find wide appeal with many Australians.
It is a great honour to have had this opportunity to present the Sir Albert Coates's Oration for 2008.
- ^ I am indebted to Memorial historian Dr Karl James for providing me with this background information from a variety of sources
- ^ C.E.W. Bean, The story of Anzac, Volume 1 of the Official History, p. 544. Bean later wrote he was killed by shrapnel (Bean, Anzac to Amiens, 1946, p. 136). Historian Peter Cochrane said Simpson was "never so busy as in his afterlife". The Reverend Benson sanctified him in a eulogising account in his Man with the donkey: the Good Samaritan of Gallipoli (1965).
- ^ Philip Salom, "ANZAC and why I wrote" in War: Australia's creative response, Anna Rutherford and James Weiland (Eds.), 1997, p. 339
- ^ Bob Sampson "Tom and Mary Port bridges in use" in Catchpoint, 87, September 2008, p. 8. The naming was undertaken by SA Premier Mike Rann after representations by the Semaphore and Port Adelaide RSL sub-branch to overturn an earlier decision to name the bridge after the local AFL team
- ^ Interview of Lt Dr Garth Pratten, Lecturer in Military History at RMA Sandhurst, on ABC Four Corners program, 10 November 2008.
- ^ The quote comes from Ross McMullin's biography of H.E. "Pompey" Elliot and is an extract of a letter dated 8 August 1915 to his wife, Kate, and quoted in Wartime, 11, p. 46.
- ^ John Hetherington Blamey, Controversial soldier, Australian War Memorial and Australian Government Printing Service, 1973, p. 339.
- ^ C.E.W. Bean, The AIF in France, Volume 5 of the Official History, p. 172.
- ^ Les Carlyon, The Great War, Macmillan (2006), p. 777.
- ^ Ashmead-Bartlett's quote in David Kent "Bean's 'ANZAC' and the making of the ANZAC legend", War: Australia's creative response, p. 29.
- ^ C.E.W. Bean, On the wool track, 1910, and his book a year later, Dreadnought of the Darling, are an endeavour to picture the romance of outback life in Australia. Political journalist Michelle Gratton revisited the area and gave an account in Back on the wool track, Vintage Books, 2004.
- ^ K.S. Inglis, Sacred places: Memorials in the Australian landscape, Melbourne University Press, 1998, p 110. This gives an excellent account of commemoration in Australia.
- ^ Inglis, Sacred places, p. 110.
- ^ Ross McMullin, "Such is glory … 7th Battalion at Lone Pine", Wartime, 11, p. 47.
- ^ Remarks made by the late Major General Paul Cullen AC DSO* at a plaque dedication ceremony at the Australian War Memorial for the 2/2nd Battalion, AIF.
- ^ C.M.H. Clark, A history of Australia, Volume VI, Melbourne University Press, 1987, pp. 120,182.
- ^ Clark, A history of Australia, Volume VI, pp. 120, 136.
- ^ A composite photograph (P01383.017) made by Johnstone, O'Shannessy and Company with the Archbishop surrounded by ten Roman Catholic and four Protestant VC winners was part of the Memorial's travelling exhibition Forging the nation, Federation - the first 20 years, which was displayed at the Melbourne Museum in 2001.
- ^ K.S. Inglis, Sacred places, p. 465.
- ^ Clark, A history of Australia, Volume VI, p. 500.
- ^ Louis Nowra, "ANZAC and why I wrote", in War: Australia's creative response, pp. 343–44.
- ^ Alan Seymour, "Hollow chauvinism gives way to day fit for heroes", The Weekend Australian, 24–25 April 1999.
- ^ Joan Beaumont, "Cricket, craters and the death of heroes", in a memorial edition of The Sydney Morning Herald (The Last ANZAC), 17 May 2002, p. 4.
- ^ David Malouf, "ANZAC and why I wrote", in War: Australia's creative response, p. 332.
- ^ For example, see Livio and Pat Dobrez, "Old myths and new delusions", in War, Australia's creative response, for assertions about "pseudo-nationalism and not fighting for an Australian cause", pp. 215–27 (originally published in 1982): in the same book, John Remeril (p. 335) claiming commemorations are "a propaganda exercise", and elsewhere David Kent postulates that "ANZAC has less to do with sacrifice but more to do with unquestioning nationalism and aggressive masculine virtues", p. 37.
- ^ The 2008 Dawn Service at the Australian War Memorial drew 30,000 attendees.
- ^ Michael Leunig in an opinion piece in The Sydney Morning Herald, Weekend Edition, 25–26 October 2008, p. 13.
- ^ "Keating rejects Gallipoli identity", The Australian, 31 October 2008, p. 2, and "What you get for having a shot at Keating", The Sydney Morning Herald, Weekend Edition, 1–2 November 2008, p. 35.


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Hans is very nice and open, we felt very welcome. The apartment has a good location, so that we could often walk into town (weather pending, of course :)) the room is like in the pictures, the furniture is older but comfortable and everything is very clean! This is true with the smell of cat pee in the hallway, but the room is really remembers nothing more of it. Dear Hans:
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Hans ist sehr nett und offen, wir haben uns sehr willkommen gefühlt. Die Wohnung hat eine gute Lage, so dass wir oft in die Stadt laufen konnten (wetteranhängig natürlich :) ) das Zimmer ist so wie auf den Bildern , die Möbel sind älter aber komfortabel und alles ist sehr sauber ! Das mit dem Geruch nach Katzenurin im Hausflur stimmt zwar , aber im Zimmer merkt man wirklich nichts mehr davon. Lieber Hans:
Viele Grüße von Simon, Mona und Panos!
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Sweet... I was going to do this on my own but now I have some great pics. Thanks coils!
I don't want to upset anyone that did the work so I'm posting links to Saiga12.com.
After it was discussed in another thread about the Russian style side folder I did some searching and found some good info.
It appears the standard AK100 rear trunion can be used with minor mods, clearance for the bolt carrier, and the front locking hook can be made but still looking for dimensions of that.
This thread shows good detail of the conversion, he used mostly Russian parts but you'll find great info and pics, also shows what mods are needed to the AK100 rear trunion (post# 53).
sKott's Saiga 12-C Conversion - forum.Saiga-12.com
This one was done with an ak100 triangle side folder and a home made front latch made from aluminum.
My S12 write-up - forum.Saiga-12.com
I'll post more info when I find it.
Sweet... I was going to do this on my own but now I have some great pics. Thanks coils!
or you could check with scott at DPH. i think his guy is making them for sagia's now.
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You welcome PatJ, I got the stock & rear trunnion assembly already, just need the front hook thing that hold the stock in the folded position.
I don't think Scott is doing anything for the 12C style side folder, the main thing I need to find is info on the front hook (by the trunnion), they are impossible to find and it seems like no one wants to give up any info about it.
Tagged. A lot of great info on the 1st page of the 1st link.
Want to buy: Tantal Left and Right side selector parts.
I'm no sheep!
Well I just spent a few hours looking again and found two more threads at The AK Forum.
The one has a good pic of the front latch assembly. But still no dimensions.
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Coils... I finally dug into my stuff today and it appears the front latch that I have is not the same as the one in your links. the one oleg sent me is the same as a standard bulgarian one.
I can still get pics if you like.
I already have one of the standard AK style front latch thing, so we're still in the same boat.
Thanks for the offer though
No problem... you don't happen to know where I can get the latching mechanism for a bulgarian side folder? looking for this...


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I think some Giants fans on these boards need to help out opposing defensive coordinators with their game plans. I mean shucks, some people on these boards could point out gilbrides offensive much better then these professional defensive coordinators. That includes the immortal spags lmao.
Clearly you boys don't know a reverse jinx thread when you see it! ha ha
I forgot to account for the fact that while Spags might know Gilbride's MO, Eli is very well acquainted with what Spags used to do and other than a threw poor throws, pretty much sliced and diced the Saints GOD AWFUL secondary to pieces.
And thank god we've HOPEFULLY found our RB of the future! Of course, the Saints D is pretty freaking terrible and has been all season, I'll be very interested to see if Mr. Wilson can keep up the ground attack against a much better but still susceptible Falcons defense next week. One thing is for sure, we've absolutely found our Kick Returner of the future, something this team has needed for a VERY long time.
And no, you don't HAVE to thank me for the reverse jinx when I started this thread after the Eli pick 6..........all in a day's work gentleman!
haha, another idiot that simply can not understand the basic concept that players decide these games ... our worst play of the game had way more to do with Cruz be out of the game and Jernigan running a bad route and, yes, Eli making a bad decision ... absolutely 100% nothing to do with KG or Spags and 52 points later hopefully now everyone gets it, but im not holding my breath
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Spagnolo has not done well since he left the Giants. Yes he does not have the same personnel but, the Saints look awful defensively.
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#1 Fri 27 Apr 07 3:01pm
Making "links"
Hope someone can tell me how to make links @ Jamie's using a BlackBerry.
The (whatever) number does not appear on my screen.
#2 Fri 27 Apr 07 4:44pm
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just copy and paste the link all you do is right click the mouse over the link then clickcopy then go to where ever then right click again then click paste , sorry but i dont have a blackberry
#3 Fri 27 Apr 07 4:52pm
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Hi young mum. Problem with the BlackBerry is it doesn't have a mouse, just a trackwheel, so I can't right-click.
Thanks for your response. Will mess around over the weekend and see how I go. Get back to you.
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Re: Making "links"
You can copy by pressing ctrl and c after marking, too. And paste by pressing ctrl and v after setting the cursor to where you want to paste.
Hope that helps...
#5 Sun 29 Apr 07 11:25am
Re: Making "links"
Hi, thanks for your responses. I don't have control C but I do have select, copy, paste but "am having a dumb old mum moment". Please excuse.
What I don't get is, say I want to make a link from another post to a new one is where do I get the link to copy and paste? I don't receive a number (or whatever) for each post.
Sorry for being so dumb! And for your patience, thank you!
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hey maree.iam leaving a message here to.
hope you are well.
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|Avenida de Alemana, 35100 Playa del Ingles, İspanya
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The Apartment can be found right next to the famous sand dunes of
Playa del Inglés and Maspalomas, and at the other side of the dunes there's a stretch of 6km white sand beach.
You can see the dunes and the sea right from your accommodation.
All this is located in the South of Gran Canaria, famous for its "Best Climate of the World".
However, if you walk out at the other side of the complex, you're entering the busy "Playa del Inglés" where you will be able to find whatever you could possibly wish for in a tourist resort: shopping centers, nightlife for every taste, easy public transport, restaurants from typical Canarian to normal European, to Indian and South American: it's all to be found at as tone throw away.
Even though one of the biggest shopping centers (C.C. CITA) is less then a five minute stroll away, but your Apar´tment is located in the quiet area of Playa del Inglés.
No noises of nearby clubs here or heavy traffic.
We will wellcome your personally at your arrival from the airport at the aparments. (The transfer from the airport can be done on several ways: the bus from the airport stops right next to our accomodation and costs approx.. €4,50 per person, but you can also come with a rental car or a taxi. A rental car is recommended, if you want also to explore the wonderful island)
We're looking forward to your visit, a visit, you won't easily forget. And once you've been to Laila Apartamentos / Bungalows, we're sure you'll be back, as have been all the others before you!
Ev kurallarıPlease respect the other guests!
3 times per week cleaning included!!
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We had a lovely stay here as we were having a full refurbishment done in our apartment.
Our host Evelyn meet us and introduced us to the bungalow which was well equipped for everyday cooking needs etc. Evelyn even set us up with an internet dongle for our laptop and lent us a hard drive full of movies to watch through the tv.
We would recommend to stay here especially medium to longer stays.
Hi, Just back to the cold and storms in Ireland which has made my stay in Mas Palomas seem all the better. I availed of Eve's offer of collection on arrival from airport. This was very reasonable and gave us a chance to get to know her. Annie was in charge of the complex and could not have been nicer. The bungalow was very suitable for long to medium term letting. We had to change bungalow after 4 nights to get the more suitable one. Overall a very enjoyable experience.
Enjoyed our stay, the bungalow is very well equipped, and set in an ideal position close to shops and public transport links.
Es war ein sehr schöner Aufenthalt. Im Haus war alles, was man für einen schönen Urlaub braucht. Lediglich ein Radio hat gefehlt. Aber ansonsten von Mikrowelle bis Toaster alles vorhanden. Auch die Anlage ist sehr gepflegt. Der Gärtner kommt jeden Tag und gießt und pflegt die Anlage. Sehr schöne Blütenhecken. Auch die persönliche Betreuung war sehr gut.
Wir hatten eine sehr angenehme Zeit und haben es sehr genossen. Alles war perfekt organisiert und ausgestattet. Evelyn ist eine sehr hilfsbereite und gastfreundliche Vermieterin.
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In complying with federal legislation requirements regarding Title II, Section 207(a) of the 2008 amended Higher Education Act, all Indiana teacher preparation institutions are required to submit to the Indiana Department of Education (IDOE) an annual report on those candidates who complete their teacher preparation programs. The U.S. Department of Education requires that the IDOE identify programs as "low performing" or "at risk" on the basis of pre-established criteria. The IDOE will review institutional annual reports and make recommendations based on the following six criteria:
- The teacher preparation program will have a unit assessment system (UAS) in accordance with NCATE Standard 2 and will submit an annual report addressing all areas of improvement cited in the standing Board of Examiners (BOE) accreditation report.
- Accreditation Status – The institution must have state accreditation status without conditions based on their last on-site visit and BOE report.
- Program Review Status – All eligible content area programs must be approved or approved on condition by an NCATE SPA or be approved without condition if the program is reviewed by the state. Final program review status will be determined at the time of the institution's on-site visit.
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According to the criminal complaint, Sides sold an undercover Cass County deputy $100 worth of methamphetamine on or around March 15 and she was arrested March 27.
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Good Samaritan Ministries giving extra for Thanksgiving
JOHNSON CITY, Tenn. - For days now, Thanksgiving boxes have been going out the doors of Good Samaritan Ministries, and they're not done yet as the holiday approaches.
Volunteers at Good Samaritan Ministries in Johnson City have been preparing Thanksgiving boxes for those in need for weeks now. Now those boxes are headed out the back door just in time for the holiday meal. "So far it's 394 families that have actually got their boxes, got their turkeys and they're excited about that. Then we've got more coming today, all day long, and of course we're concerned about the weather tomorrow on the big day," director Sarah Wells says.
A close look into those boxes reveals there's more in there than just enough for a Thanksgiving meal. "We make sure that they have a lot more, and this year our boxes are 75 pounds. They're getting a lot more. They're getting soups, spaghetti, all of those things that can last longer. That food box is going to last quite a bit longer," she said.
So it doesn't take long to deplete the ministry's pantry, but with the help of sponsors they'll be doing even more for Thanksgiving by giving out meals. "These are fully-cooked meals from Food City. They've got the turkey and all the trimmings, and everything that they have need for their family. It's very large," the director said.
Wells tells us the cuts in the SNAP food assistance program at the first of the month has made the need much greater this year. "About two weeks prior, people were lined up here. My offices were full. They were outside waiting to get in trying to get food because their fear was how much was going to be cut. They just knew to be afraid," she said.
That fear turns into more demands on those trying to help.
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Discussion in 'Photo & Video Gallery' started by ChevyFan, Sep 5, 2008.
Stop motion across the country. Pretty cool.
That's too cool. Wonder if he taped the entire thing? Some of the bits missing must be battery changing time or something.
My favourite part is the car not starting and the trip to the shop. LOL
Good post!
no bugs on the windshield?... lol
i like when the moon glides across the top when the car is parked on one of those shots... pretty sweet video
Did they wash it with the top down?:lol:
Makes me want to go on a road trip! :glasses:
I have essentally driven across the country, just never in one trip like that. I should get my folks to do that in their RV the next time they do a major cross-country trip.
Last year we drove (with our 4 kids) from Vancouver, Canada to Washington, DC and back. We had six weeks so we took our time and had a blast. We made it as far east as Ocean City, MD so we could swim in the "other" ocean. I'm looking forward to our first road trip in the Yukon after child #5 arrives .
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