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Sep 13, 2013 at 10:28 am #1307607
John S.BPL Member
Seems like the case is closed on what incapacitated him. The immediate cause of death being starvation probably won't change though.Sep 13, 2013 at 11:25 am #2024557
Tim ZenSpectator
@asdzxc57Locale: MI
Thanks for post.Sep 13, 2013 at 2:38 pm #2024606
eric chanBPL Member
Eighteen-year-old Johnathan Croom was found dead not far from his abandoned car, and his parents believe some responsibility belongs to tales told of Chris McCandless, a young man who starved to death in a derelict bus near Healy, Alaska, while seeking wilderness solitude.
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The lure of a famous bus, abandoned in the woods near Healy, Alaska, and Denali National Park, has claimed another victim. On June 25, a military helicopter plucked a 25-year-old Floridian from the area around the bus made famous by a book and movie detailing the life of Christopher McCandless, a wanderer who starved to death at the bus in 1992. The group told rescuers that they had run out of food two days prior to signaling a passing aircraft.
more at links ….Sep 13, 2013 at 3:36 pm #2024625
David ThomasBPL Member
@davidinkenaiLocale: North Woods. Far North.
>"his parents believe some responsibility belongs to tales told of Chris McCandless"
The relative responsibility of Parents/Child/Book could range from 79-20-1% to 19-80-1%.
Parents blaming a book for a tragic outcome instead of looking inward, suggests the former ratio.
My teenager has read the Odyssey, Harry Potter, Winnie the Pooh, and Ender's Game.
He has, perhaps as a result, studied Latin (it just seemed cooler than Greek), played quidditch at our house and Pooh Sticks in the Hundred Acres Wood (in Southern England). He hasn't sailed into a giant whirlpool, attempted to fly on a broom, gather honey from a bee hive or fight to the death in zero-g.
And yet, copycat suicides are real. Some work has been done in how media coverage of suicides can increase or decrease the number of copycats. Emphasizing the romantic aspects encourages others. Detailing gruesome aspects of the pain, suffering and corpse decrease copycat incidents.Sep 16, 2013 at 11:17 am #2025166
Dena KelleyBPL Member
@eagleriverdeeLocale: Eagle River, Alaska
Here's an Alaska writer's rebuttal to Krakauer's "proof" that McCandless died from "wild potato seed" poisoning. Frankly I think this makes a lot more sense than what Krakauer is claiming.
The explanation for how a now infamous young man named Chris McCandless came to die in the Alaska wilderness more than 20 years ago has apparently been found at last behind Door No. 3 by celebrity author Jon Krakauer.
Krakauer, of course, built his reputation on the book "Into the Wild," which made McCandless into a modern-day hero wandering the West in the search of the meaning of life. The book was actually as much about Krakauer wandering the world searching for the meaning of life as about McCandless, but the dead wanderer ended up as the big star.
As a character, Krakauer himself became more of a bit player like Friar Laurence in Shakespeare's "Romeo and Juliet." Krakauer is the thinner, all-knowing character in this tale of a tragic love affair between our hero and the alluring Alaska wilderness.
"Two years he walks the Earth. No phone, no pool, no pets, no cigarettes. Ultimate freedom," McCandless scratched into a sheet of plywood attached to his last home in a dirty, old abandoned bus along the Stampede Trail not far off the George Parks Highway east of the coal-mining community of Healy. "An extremist. An aesthetic voyager whose home is the road. Escape from Atlanta. Thou shalt not return, 'cause 'the West is the best.' And now after two rambling years comes the final and greatest adventure. The climactic battle to kill the false being within and victoriously conclude the spiritual revolution. Ten days and nights of freight trains and hitchhiking bring him to the great white north. No longer to be poisoned by civilization he flees, and walks alone upon the land to become lost in the wild."
This actually was among McCandless' most cogent observations on life. Krakauer fixated on the "aesthetic voyager" part and started shaping a book around it. McCandless was transformed from a foolish, dead cheechako into a heroic figure who died tragically, as heroes must.
What kind of book would Krakauer have if McCandless merely wandered off into the wilderness and starved to death like some sort of ignorant city kid unprepared? That's not tragic. That's merely sad. No best seller there.
Let's make (up) a deal!
And obviously McCandless starved to death. That's what the autopsy concluded, but Krakauer in the original version of "Into the Wild" found a tragic reason for the starvation — the killer seeds behind Door No. 1.
These were the seeds of the "wild potato plant" that poisoned McCandless in the first printing of "Into the Wild." Dr. Thomas Clausen at the University of Alaska Fairbanks quickly ruled out the seeds as poisonous.
Enter the moldy seeds behind Door No. 2. Mold on the seeds became Krakauer's poison of the moment when his book was called into question as fictional in 2007.
"It turned out — I've learned, since writing the book, those seeds were moldy," he told none other than Oprah Winfrey while out promoting the movie "Into the Wild." "And this mold created a poison that doesn't actually kill you outright, it keeps you from digesting food. So even though he was still eating food, he couldn't make use of it. And that — so he starved to death because he ate these moldy seeds."
The mold has also since been debunked. For those who are interested in the minutiae, Ron Lamonthe, a professor at Lesley University and a documentary filmmaker discusses all of this in great detail.
Which brings this to what is behind Door No. 3: ODAP, the poison du jour, full name Oxalyldiaminopropionic acid.
It's all laid out by "The New Yorker" in a piece titled simply, "How Chris McCandless Died." This is written, unsurprisingly, by Krakauer. He starts off by pimping his book, conceding his first little mistake with the deadly seeds, skips over the mold, and finally gets to the point:
The debate over why McCandless perished, and the related question of whether he is worthy of admiration, has been smoldering, and occasionally flaring, for more than two decades now. But last December, a writer named Ronald Hamilton posted a paper on the Internet that brings fascinating new facts to the discussion. Hamilton, it turns out, has discovered hitherto unknown evidence that appears to close the book on the cause of McCandless's death. To appreciate the brilliance of Hamilton's investigative work, some backstory is helpful.
The diary and photographs recovered with McCandless's body indicated that, beginning on June 24, 1992, the roots of the Hedysarum alpinum plant became a staple of his daily diet.
Stop right there. This is a classic Krakauerism and the fundamental problem with the book "Into the Wild." The author is prone to wild conjecture. There is little evidence McCandless was eating roots, let along making them "a staple of his daily diet." When Chip Brown reported the original story in 1993 for the New Yorker (ironically enough), his only observation of roots was this: "…The fact that he (McCandless) may have been eating seeds and not roots is itself a sign of his desperate hunger." Brown notes that McCandless's sparse journal, if the document can be even called that, and the comments McCandless made in the margins of some books found in the bus put squirrels, gold birds, ducks, moose, wolves, berries and seeds onto the table, but not roots.
There are photographs of some roots in photos from film recovered after McCandless's death, but there is no evidence whatsoever to support Krakauer's flying leap to the conclusion that the roots of what most Alaskans know as sweetvetch became "a staple" of McCandless's diet. The fact is, nobody knows exactly what McCandless was eating.
'Fault of potato seed'
As to his consumption of seeds, there is also little known. The journal says this: "78: Missed wolf. Ate potato seeds and many berries coming. 89: Many mushrooms. Dream. 94: Woodpecker. Fog. Extremely weak. Fault of potato seed. Much trouble just to stand up."
Day 89 is now strangely missing from the journal as reported on the Chris McCandless website set up to promote Krakauer's book and the Sean Penn movie of the same name. The site does, however, contain some actual photos of portions of the journal. They are worth viewing just to see the scant evidence on which Krakauer, and even Brown, based some of their reporting.
The days are numbers with a circle around them. Day 3 says "Denali Day," from which Brown deduced that "past the river, the trail gained a couple of hundred feet of elevation, and it afforded Chris a glimpse of the roof of North America – his 'Denali Day.'"
Brown's conclusions based on shards of evidence pale compared to those of Krakauer. From the tiny amount of evidence available, including a photo of a bag of seeds found on film among McCandless's personal effects, Krakauer deduces that McCandless ate enough seeds to poison himself, and then somehow correctly diagnosed this poisoning, though McCandless had no information on which to base a reasonable conclusion that any sickness was the "fault of potato seed."
McCandless did have an Alaska plant book describing how the Athabascan Indians have harvested and eaten sweetvetch roots for centuries. There is no mention of anyone eating the seeds, which would lead to the obvious conclusion they are not very tasty. Because if they were tasty enough to tempt someone to eat enough to poison himself, that fact would surely be noted in Athabascan oral history.
An intelligent reader familiar with life in the wild might here also pause to ponder why McCandless would even be chowing down on seeds when tasty berries were appearing on the scene, but let's ignore that and move on to more of Krakauer's Hamilton-fueled speculation.
Hamilton has a theory about the seeds based on what he says is a historic account of efforts by the Nazis to poison Jews in Romania. As Krakauer writes:
In 1942, as a macabre experiment, an officer at Vapniarca started feeding the Jewish inmates bread made from seeds of the grass pea, Lathyrus sativus, a common legume that has been known since the time of Hippocrates to be toxic.
"Very quickly," Hamilton writes in "The Silent Fire," a Jewish doctor and inmate at the camp, Dr. Arthur Kessler, understood what this implied, particularly when within months, hundreds of the young male inmates of the camp began limping, and had begun to use sticks as crutches to propel themselves about.
Let's stop right there again, and let's ignore the fact that Clausen, the chemist who debunked Krakauer's earlier poisoning theories, says that he is equally skeptical of this one. Let's just put our noses to work.
Debilitation theory
The Nazis, who were intentionally trying to poison Jews, found this poison disabled them "within months," and yet it felled McCandless in just 16 days? Does this even pass the most basic smell test?
No one has any evidence McCandless was at the bus eating the seeds before he got sick, though Krakauer tries to suggest the young man — who some want to believe was a modern-day Thoreau — was in the bus chowing down on seeds for more than two weeks.
"When I visited the bus in July, 1993, wild potato plants were growing everywhere I looked in the surrounding taiga," Krakauer writes. "I filled a one-gallon bag with more than a pound of seeds in less than thirty minutes."
Sadly, he doesn't mention tasting any. This would be useful information since Krakauer himself observes McCandless was at this time surviving "on a marginal diet of squirrels, porcupines, small birds, mushrooms, roots, and berries." I've personally eaten "squirrels, porcupines, small birds, mushrooms and berries," and all of them were tastier than any grasses or seeds I've tried chewing on. Although I do admit I've never tried Hedysarum alpinum.
Is it possible McCandless was gobbling these seeds like popcorn? Yes, maybe. Is it possible he simply tried a handful of seeds again before Day 94 and got as sick as the Richardson expedition reportedly did from the tubers in the early 1800s? Possibly.
And what about those mushrooms? There are plenty of poisonous mushrooms in Alaska. Could he have eaten those and become weak? Again, it's possibile.
Now ask yourself this: Would it make more sense for someone to tie their illness to something they've been eating daily for more than two weeks, or to something new that had been eaten in the last 24 or 48 hours? I don't know about you, but if I believe I'm sick from something I've eaten, I tend to blame the recent and unusual and not the everyday.
Is it possible McCandless gathered some seeds on Day 78, left them stored in a plastic bag, and then decided to try them on a food-short Day 93 only to get sick on Day 94? Certainly it's possible.
But all that is really known for sure is that on Day 94 McCandless reported "Woodpecker. Fog. Extremely weak. Fault of potato seed. Much trouble just to stand up. Starving. Great jeopardy."
Good-luck deciphering that. The worst Sarah Palin text message is clear by comparison.
Indoor hunting?
Still, there is evidence McCandless did later stand up, if his journal is to be believed. It reports: "104: Missed bear! 105: Five squirrel. Caribou. 107: Beautiful berries."
He might have recorded five squirrels inside the bus, but definitely not a caribou. He had to go out in the surrounding forest to spot it. Brown wrote that "on Day 105, (McCandless) killed five squirrels and saw a caribou.'' I admit to almost making the same mistake. It is a reasonable presumption, but a presumption nonetheless.
The McCandless stories has been written in presumptions. It is so easy to read so much into so little. Krakauer is a master at it. What jumps out now, though, is what is not in the journal. There is no mention of McCandless limping or needing to use a stick as a crutch to get around, as was the case for the poor victims at Vapniarca.
And then, of course, there is the sad, second-to-last note McCandless wrote, when he once again became a man of more than a few words:
He mentions being "near death" and weak, as a normally starving man would be. He mentions being "too weak to hike out of here," which suggests he is capable of hiking, but just doesn't think he can go the 20-mile distance to the Parks Highway. He mentions being "injured," but not sick.
And, of course, he has to be ambulatory to go "out collecting berries," all of which seems glaringly at odds with the description of Vapniarca victims provided by Hamilton:
…Once the (poisoning) effects had begun, there was simply no way to reverse them…. The disease is called, simply, neurolathyrism, or more commonly, "lathyrism." … (Dr.) Kessler, who … initially recognized the sinister experiment that had been undertaken at Vapniarca, was one of those who escaped death during those terrible times. He retired to Israel once the war had ended and there established a clinic to care for, study, and attempt to treat the numerous victims of lathyrism from Vapniarca, many of whom had also relocated in Israel.
So, years after the war the victims of Vapniarca were still suffering from the irreversible effects of ODAP poisoning, yet any mention of such symptoms disappears from McCandless' journal after Day 94?
Not once over the course of the next 19 days does McCandless report he is disabled. He does write that he is "too weak to walk out," but not too weak to walk. There is no further mention of difficulties standing up or limping or of making a crutch to help himself get around. And in the last of the many photographs he took of himself, he stands fully upright holding his very last note.
"I HAVE HAD A HAPPY LIFE AND THANK THE LORD," it says. "GOODBYE AND GOD BLESS ALL!"
Don't you think he would have wanted to warn the world if he'd been poisoned to death by those seeds? Or did he somehow sense Krakauer would come along to do that?
"Hamilton's discovery that McCandless perished because he ate toxic seeds is unlikely to persuade many Alaskans to regard McCandless in a more sympathetic light, but it may prevent other backcountry foragers from accidentally poisoning themselves," the author nobly observes in the last paragraph of his latest tome.Sep 16, 2013 at 3:30 pm #2025217
Jennifer MitolBPL Member
@jenmitolLocale: In my dreams....
Wow that writer has some feelings about Krakauer, eh?Sep 17, 2013 at 1:12 pm #2025506
Buck NelsonBPL Member
@colterLocale: Alaska
Yes, he's not a fan of Krakauer but I'd have to say the gist of his opinion is supported by most Alaskans. That doesn't make him, or Alaskans, right of course.
I'm a big fan of the saying "we see things not as they are, but as we are." Krakauer obviously identifies with McCandless and wants to see his death not as incompetence, but the inevitable result of an unforeseeable situation: poisonous seeds, moldy seeds or what have you.
Alaskans for the most part see it as a much simpler situation: McCandless was in over his head and died of starvation. Some would argue, rightfully, that most Alaskans would never get in such a situation because very few of them ever set off on such a bold and/or foolhardy adventure.
It think the new paper does shed new light on the situation, but Craig Medred, in turn, sheds light on how Krakauer continues to reach definitive conclusions on less than perfect evidence.Sep 17, 2013 at 4:30 pm #2025557
Jennifer MitolBPL Member
@jenmitolLocale: In my dreams....
FYI, as a non-Alaskan who read the book, then much later saw the movie, I actually came away from the book with the impression that he was NOT a hero, just a tortured, narcissistic soul. I thought the movie romanticized his "adventure," but not at all the book.
Perhaps that is a function of the bias people have when approaching the book – that it would be a romanticized adventure of a wandering youth that ended tragically. Frankly I thought he was a selfish, spoiled little brat and I did NOT like that the movie version made him seem so much more sympathetic (although the sound track really is awesome).
I have no opinion of Krakauer himself, but from a journalistic point of view he obviously nailed a good story. We're still talking about it, aren't we?Sep 17, 2013 at 5:52 pm #2025587
"Frankly I thought he was a selfish, spoiled little brat" Two things jumped out at me from the story
1. He never contacted his family. Big red flag there. Might have been family problem. Or maybe the family was fine, and Chris was just "off" emotionally, mentally or whatever.
2. The kid didn't know how to take help or advice, MAJOR problem. I'm still fairly young but I have never understood the arrogance of some kids who think they know it all and any advice from anyone older is just an attempt to keep them down.
I personally feel that if McCandless had survived Alaska he would have gotten in real trouble sooner or later somewhere else (unless he wised up). He just didn't know how to learn from other people.Sep 18, 2013 at 5:55 pm #2025979
Will ElliottBPL Member
@elliott-willLocale: Juneau, AK
There is another book of note here, Sheila nickerson's "disappearance: a map — life and death in the northern latitudes." something like that. its a journal kept by the author of all the disappearances in Alaska that year: hikers, boaters, fishermen, pilots, hunters, kids. And mccandless is in there. What makes him special is not his heroism, or folly, or background, or place or manner of death– all these are dizzyingly unremarkable alongside the fate of so many others that year (the book shows). What sets mccandless apart is that when his body was found, nobody could figure who he was, and so the papers were reporting not on a death but a mystery, not a person but a blank canvas for readers– and later, artists like krakauer and penn –to fill in. Had the paper reported "the body of Christopher mccandless, a backpacker from …" we we would not remember him.Sep 22, 2013 at 11:17 pm #2027210
Steven DavisMember
@stevendavisphotoLocale: SF Bay Area
I LOVED the movie. It's one of my all-time favorites. Any stories about adventure like that and "leaving it all behind" are very enticing to me. I can watch it over and over. It's one of the most life-changing movies for me.Sep 23, 2013 at 6:42 am #2027248
the McCandless movie is life changing and you're going to go solo backpacking
hopefully we won't read about you in the news : )Sep 23, 2013 at 1:17 pm #2027380
David KMember
I just saw the movie recently and although I did think it was a good movie, i also thought that what McCandless did was foolish and his death could have been prevented.Sep 23, 2013 at 3:42 pm #2027437
Misfit MysticMember
@cooldripLocale: "Grand Canyon of the East"
I'm not sure what finally killed McCandless, but this I know: Jon Krakauer is a shameless self-promoter. I've met him a few times, heard him speak, and heard folks in the climbing community discussing him; let's just say none of these episodes left a favorable impression of him. IMO he's a lot of mouth and opinion, without the humility his experience should have given him. I'm curious if he was as contrite as Conrad Anker over the "poop bag" incident on Denali…Sep 23, 2013 at 4:20 pm #2027445
So if Krakauer is a "Shameless self promoter" does that put another spin on "Three Cups of Deceit"? Just curious.Sep 23, 2013 at 4:46 pm #2027460
That's pretty funny Luke.
I like reading Krakauer books. Into the Wild, Into the Void, Three Cups of Deceit.
Maybe if you're not a shamless promoter, then no one will know about you.Sep 23, 2013 at 4:51 pm #2027463
"Maybe if you aren't a shameless self promoter no one will know about you"
Good point Jerry, there' a line between promoting yourself, even if you're obnoxious and being dishonest. Has Krakauer crossed that line? Sounds like the guy from "Three Cups of Tea" did, I don't think Krakauer was the only one who questioned his honesty. But if we're taking another look at Krakauer who knows?Sep 23, 2013 at 4:52 pm #2027466
Bob GrossMember
@b-g-2-2Locale: Silicon Valley
"But if we're taking another look at Krakauer who knows?"
If you are taking another look at Krakauer, you might be into thin air.
–B.G.–Sep 23, 2013 at 5:01 pm #2027470
Good one Bob!Sep 23, 2013 at 5:16 pm #2027478
The Three Cups of Tea guy made up a bunch of stuff, asked people to donate money but didn't spend it on what he said.
Although I think he was well intentioned and over-all did some good things. And he confessed to his sins and has tried to make good.
Another good Krakauer story.Nov 11, 2014 at 11:27 am #2148363
Tim ZenSpectator
@asdzxc57Locale: MI
And now "The Wild Truth" by Carine McCandless and Jon Krakauer.
Unlike Chris (who can rest in peace) the story continues on…
Reviewed on http://www.npr.orgNov 11, 2014 at 11:56 am #2148368
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Danville's Bob Pack has spent the last four years working on a project that would help put a stop to "doctor shoppers" - drug abusers posing as patients who hop from doctor to doctor to get their hands on addictive narcotics.
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What an excellent project! The Pack Foundation is an awesome foundation and does a lot to help others in a way that they were affected.
I think this is a great idea and for them to donate to the state is another jump and the budget crisis won't be an excuse of why they won't do it.

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I just stumbled across this site today. I'm pretty excited about it and wanted to say hi. I discovered I have an almost consuming desire to learn the ins and outs of hardening information systems so curious minds like my own can't have access to them. They say knowledge is power....effective leverage of that knowledge is really the key in my opinion.
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"People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe."- Andy Rooney
The human construct 'Nature' was devised to make this distinction (by the ancient Greeks), and I think that's the best way to use it. (Acts of Gods are also ruled out of Nature BTW. That leaves 'physica' as a mechanical sphere in which matter simply rubs against, and moves matter - and that makes it possible to look for 'laws' of nature. With all else ruled out you can make the assumption that identical causes will have identical effects - and the rest is the history of science.)
Of course, we come from nature, and are part of nature - but if you think that way its very hard to have conversations about what is 'natural'.
The race isn't always to the swift, nor the fight to the strong, but that's the way to bet
I see. Thank you. If I understand correctly we have to seperate ourselves from Nature, the Natural World, in order to have perspective. Is that correct?
Mark Berninghausen
Its not perfect, but its a useful way of working. We can say: 'bees naturally mate competitively', without having to then think about how we remove humans from the picture. We can talk about natural 'selection' as opposed to human selection (of parents).
The race isn't always to the swift, nor the fight to the strong, but that's the way to bet
Okay, then I have to ask, humans don't mate competitively?
Mark Berninghausen
Best wishes,
Within the various uses of the word today, "nature" often refers to geology and wildlife. Nature may refer to the general realm of various types of living plants and animals, and in some cases to the processes associated with inanimate objects – the way that particular types of things exist and change of their own accord, such as the weather and geology of the Earth, and the matter and energy of which all these things are composed. It is often taken to mean the "natural environment" or wilderness–wild animals, rocks, forest, beaches, and in general those things that have not been substantially altered by human intervention, or which persist despite human intervention. For example, manufactured objects and human interaction generally are not considered part of nature, unless qualified as, for example, "human nature" or "the whole of nature". This more traditional concept of natural things which can still be found today implies a distinction between the natural and the artificial, with the artificial being understood as that which has been brought into being by a human consciousness or a human mind. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature
The race isn't always to the swift, nor the fight to the strong, but that's the way to bet
Okay, thank you.
Mark Berninghausen
I'm not so sure about that. Doesn't natural selection tend to narrow diversity until a 'race' emerges? The best strain would then be that which does best any particular place at any particular time. Breeders of other kinds of livestock seem to go out of their way to exclude all but those showing desired characteristics, and aim to 'fix' desired traits by inbreeding. Of course if over-inbreeding can become a problem, and new blood is generally required from time to time - but there is no general aim for ever broader mongrelization.
That would seem to be a good thing - although it could also mean you're getting better at targeting and using other tricks rather than raising mite-management skills through breeding. Would you be prepared to talk about that?Add to that the fact that we have been able to dramatically decrease our mite treatments in recent years and the logic becomes even more clear.
Do you think they should have to? I'll be happy to offer a defence of my treatment-free beekeeping. I don't suppose the forum rules allow us to ask treaters to defend their point of view? But then, perhaps its rather obvious; they want to keep their bees alive, and (sometimes) to preserve and enhance their livelihoods, and they don't see an easy path to doing that without treating. Often they don't believe it is possible. Both positions are understandable. But I think non-treaters are entitled to complain, on grounds that treaters downgrade and endanger both wild bees (and the genetic diversity that belongs to future generations) and their own (i.e. my) bees. It effectively amounts to mass slaughter by genetic poisoning.Ummmmm that is about all I believe I can really say (perhaps i have already said too much) as the unique forum rules here say that those who choose to be treatment free need not have to defend their point of view.
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Your DNA testing.
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In my own case I have experienced that not treating is not a viable option. For me. Not yet. How to keep bees in largeish numbers w/out antivarroa mite treatments is not something I can afford or have not figured out how to establish in my business.
This is sort of what you eluded to above. And I don't write it in defence as much as to agree w/ your point.
I'm finding this discussion interesting. I look forward to reading more.
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Well, my main experience w/ not treating for varroa waas either the same year as CCD was identified or the year before. I had 732 hives in May 2006(?) or was it 2005(?) and had not treated them that Spring. By Fall, when it was time to transport them South for the Winter I was down to 432 and did not treat them then either. By March of the next year I was down to 100 colonies. I have not yet recovered back to the original number or up to the 800 I have pallets for, for a number of reasons.
I did not consider continuing not treating or even raising queens from the survivors. I am not that organized or that good at grafting. So I borrowed colonies to cover my pollination contracts. I bought honey to cover my obligations to my customers, stores. I bought queens to use in splits, every Spring. I used mite treatments which successful beekeeping friends used.
Since then I have not had really big loss. I have had some years of 33% loss, but this last year losses were more like 10 or 15%. The best in years. Attributable to what exactly I can't really say. Don't really know. Coulds have been the mild Winter. But my hives Winter in SC where harshly cold weather is usually not much of a factor. Bees can be worked almost during any week of the Winter in SC.
What else can I tell you? Thanks for asking.
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Hi Mark, When you wrote earlier: "In my own case I have experienced that not treating is not a viable option. For me. Not yet. How to keep bees in largeish numbers w/out antivarroa mite treatments is not something I can afford or have not figured out how to establish in my business."
...I had imagined that you'd looked into given treatment-free beekeeping, come to understand the principles, tried it, and failed. (Had you rebuilt from your survivors I think you'd likely have made it!)
A lot has been learned about raising mite resistant bees in recent years. If you undertook to study the principles and form a structured breeding program to that end, I'm pretty sure you'd be able to do it. There might be some cost to productivity for a while.
I can't offer any more than that - I've never kept bees on that scale, and am in the early stages of a much more modest breeding program. But everything I learn shows that the increasing number of people who think that treatments are addictive and a major part of the problem, are right. The paper I linked to is just one of a number of sources that can help us understand the underlying nature of the problem - a useful first stage I think in forming a plan to overcome it. There are more from my link page at the website below my signature.
Best wishes,
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BEES4U - As far as DNA testing is concerned - to answer the question... I use the county extension office. It is free. I believe they send it out to the ARS Tucson Bee Lab.
You could very well be correct Mike. But life circumstances will quite often direct actions. I am sure you understand that. Had I another source of income, a job other than what I supplied myself, perhaps developing a business based on nontreatment could possibly been doable. On the other hand I have only heard of a small handful of commercial operations smaller than mine here in the US. So, it seems that indicates that goinbg treatmenty free on a commercial basis is not practical, yet.
Commercials do seem to be going towards softer, more natural, miticides like formic acid and thymol based materials. Perhaps in time this will lead to less or even no treatment. Time will tell. Then we will look back and wonder why we didn't do things differently from the start.
ps: thanks for your patience and willingness to naddress this issue with me.
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I have observed there seems to be a size cut-off for being able to go totally treatment free. I cannot tell if it is because of the ability to provide more oversight of the hives or if it is the "too many rats in tha cage" effect. The larger you get, the harder it becomes to stay totally treatment free. It seems to be that way with many animals.
Sadly 'softer' treatments are just as bad, in genetic terms as the harshest chemicals! The rule is: the better it works (at killing varroa), the worse it is in terms of reducing mite-tolerance in the next generation!
The only good treatment, from the perspective of the feral bee population or the non-treater, is one that doesn't work at all. This also applies to mechanical tricks, sugar dusting and artificial swarming.
Similarly, treating 'only those that need it' is a self-defeating strategy! They are the very first you want dead!
Best wishes,
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Six area communities will host the Prelude Series this season as a welcome preview to this year's Lakes Area Music Festival.
While the 2013 festival features seven concerts in one location — Tornstrom Auditorium, Brainerd — the Prelude Series is a single concert staged in multiple locations. This year's program will feature wind, string and vocal selections by Bach, Mozart, Schubert and more.
All events are free and open to the public. Dates and locations for the six Prelude Series concerts are:
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• Brainerd: 3 p.m. Sunday, July 14, Trinity Lutheran Church, 1420 S. Sixth St.
• Pequot Lakes: 7 p.m. Sunday, July 14, Our Savior's Lutheran Church, 30985 Front St.
• Crosslake: 7 p.m. Friday, July 19, Crosslake Lutheran Church, 35960 County Road 66.
• Deerwood: 3 p.m. Sunday, July 21, Salem Lutheran Church, 21276 Archibald Road.
• Nisswa: 7 p.m. Sunday, July 21, Lutheran Church of the Cross, 5064 County Road 13.
The Lakes Area Music Festival's fifth season will take place July 28-Aug. 18 featuring some of the country's leading orchestral and vocal talent. Performances of an eclectic blend of chamber, orchestral and vocal masterpieces will take place at Tornstrom Auditorium, 804 Oak St. in Brainerd.
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"By partnering with Wausau Homes and opening our new Design Center, we're able to give customers a stress-free building experience different than anything out there today," said Larry.
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I mean seriously, respect your opinion and everything, but please tell me if you or I essentially murdered one of our co-workers and were out on bail awaiting trial if we would be welcomed back at work just hanging out on Monday.
The thread is stupid, I agree. But even if OP is reaching here he does have a point at how ridiculous this is.
However, that's not what I said to you was it?
Please address my actual statement that you quoted if you are going to respond to me at all.
I responded to the fact that you are frequenting a rival teams forums and telling them to worry about their own team. Seriously, it doesn't get more hypocritical and ironic then that.


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As Arizona Cardinals head into their Week 14 matchup with the Seattle Seahawks, they will do so for the ninth straight game without the services of quarterback Kevin Kolb.
Nearly every week since Kolb suffered chest and rib injuries in the fourth quarter of the Cardinals' overtime loss to the Buffalo Bills on October 14, he's had a positive outlook on the situation — often stating that he expects to play again at some point in 2012.
But that was not the case after the team's practice on Wednesday when asked about a possible return this season.
"I can't answer that for you," Kolb said. "Again, I just got to keep pushing. I got to do it for myself, my sanity, you know just one day at a time. And do what I can, that's all I can take care of."
Kolb knew when the injury first occurred that the rehabilitation process was going to be very slow due to the nature of the injury. And he made sure to remind reporters of that after Wednesday's practice during his explanation of why his recovery has become such a tedious process.
"Whenever the cartilage broke, the ribs are laying underneath my sternum now, so that's how they're trying to heal," said Kolb. "Rather than healing where they're butted up straight against it like a normal cracked rib or cracked cartilage when they're flush with each other, mine are laying underneath there. So that's what kind of extends the process."
On Wednesday, Kolb was listed as limited in practice and has made progress each week, but he also admitted that he's been hampered a bit in his recovery.
"When I really try to push it in the weight room and really try to push the ball down the field, that's when I'm really kind of hitting that wall," said Kolb. "I think a lot of it is going back to the injury itself. It's not the way that my ribs were broken, ya' know they're not completely healed."
Kolb continues his weekly visits with team doctors, and they're constantly reviewing MRIs. The most recent set of tests still showed some swelling, and he said it seems to be more about function and less about pain tolerance as he tries to return to the field at full speed.
Another thought on Kolb's slow return to action could be the fact that the Cardinals have lost eight straight and are unlikely to make the playoffs at this point. Could the team's poor play and lack of success contribute to Kolb's slow return?
"As a player I always have a lot to prove myself, and these guys are warriors in here and I want to be a warrior for them too," said Kolb. "I'm very tight with a bunch of people in here and if I get the chance, I'm going to go out there and battle with them."
Kolb's outlook for his return for the rest of 2012 doesn't seem quite as positive and upbeat as it did immediately following the injury.
"Again, if I let it creep in…just like before, all the questions we've answered in the past about the ups and downs…if you let it creep in, it's going to take control of you."
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Gannon Raguse is an aspiring psychologist who loves to dabble in photography.
He lives just south of Nisswa and is a junior at Brainerd High School. This year Raguse had the option of taking post-secondary classes instead of normal 11th-grade classes, but he decided he wanted the full high school experience. Even so, his classes this year will include Advanced Placement classes in psychology, human geography and language and composition.
Raguse collects vintage cameras and he's already had four different jobs. He plays saxophone in the school band and is an active member of the Lutheran Church of the Cross in Nisswa youth group. He particularly enjoys involvement in mission work, outreach and soup kitchens through his youth group.
Raguse is a normal kid. He has a lot of goals set out for himself. Helping to find a cure for diabetes is one of them, since he was diagnosed with type one diabetes at age 7.
"I was in kindergarten and my teacher noticed I was going to the bathroom all the time and I was always drinking water," Raguse said. "She alerted my mom."
Raguse, the son of Bryan and Karen Raguse, was attending Nisswa Elementary School, and he was the only student there with diabetes. Many of his schoolmates were curious and confused. Among other things, they learned from Raguse that diabetes is not contagious.
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Hurry up, though: it said on Twitter it was lasting for an hour. This was around 12:50, but you can probably conclude it'll round it off to 2pm. The price, £21.97, applies to the PS3 and 360 versions only, though. Get it here. It's out on Friday.
Driver: San Francisco gets movie director trailer ahead of Friday's release
Ubisoft's sent out a brand new video of Driver: San Francisco, as the Reflections reboot prepares to launch in the UK this week. The clip featured the movie director mode, something which has become a normal standard feature in most Driver games since the series began. Get the video below the break. Driver: San Francisco […]
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Brace yourself – it's a biggie. But mainly because I stuck two videos at the bottom.
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Driver: San Francisco's unusual mechanics and "it was all a dream" plot were inspired in part by Google Earth.
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Ubisoft has gone gamesom crazy, releasing some delightful images for Assassin's Creed: Revelations, Ghost Recon: Future Soldier, and approximately half a metric shit ton for Driver: San Francisco, showing off some new vehicles.
Ubisoft changes Driver: San Francisco's DRM policy
The voice of the internet, it can change things for the better, sometimes.
Driver: San Francisco PC delayed
The PC release of Driver: San Francisco has been pushed back a few weeks, while a Mac version has gone more seriously AWOL.
Driver: San Francisco promo talks up demo
To celebrate the release of Driver: San Francisco's single player demo – which you can get right now – Ubisoft has released a short promo trailer reminding you why you'd quite like to play it, even though it's bereft of the 'quite chaotic and like the Matrix' multiplayer modes. Check it out through the break. […]
PSA: Madden 12 and Driver demos out today in US
Just a friendly reminder that demos for Madden NFL 12 and Driver: San Francisco are out today on XBL and PSN in the US. UK folks will get the demos on Xbox 360 and PS3 tomorrow with the usual updates.
Ubisoft confirms gamecom line-up
Ubisoft has announced its lineup of games which gamescom attendees can play before the official releases by visiting the company's booths at the convention.
Driver: San Francisco video details multiplayer
Ubisoft has released a new video for Driver: San Francisco, as the Reflections reboot prepares to launch a month tomorrow. Stace had a look at the multiplay recently, as well as had a chat with Reflections creative director Martin Edmondson. You can get all of that here. Video's below the break. Driver: San Francisco launches […]
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Ubisoft working on Anno and Driver connection issues after server hosting switch
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Self-Styled with Elliot: Chinos
Our stylist breaks down everything you need to know about chinos.
If you are young, a rebel, in incredible shape and in possession of rare long-legged genes then you should a rock a pair of beautifully tailored shorts that hit just a few inches above your knees. For everyone else, you need to get yourself some summer-ready pants of the non-jean variety. Something that breathes, steers clear of middle management Chili's Triple Dipper territory and creates the illusion that you are a nice person to be around.
The post-WASPy colored khakis that all them bro fashion mavens been urging you to wear are cool and all, but to me they communicate that you are trying too hard. In two years they will be out of style and you will be left holding the bag, wondering why you ever thought looking like a fire-engine nosebleed was a good idea.
Instead, I'd dial it back a few notches. Anything two doors down from plain-ass khaki (like the honey brown joints listed here, or anything in light cream/eggshell) will give you that extra pop of swagger and uniqueness that summer demands. Something like these Uniqlo Vintage Chino Flat Front Pants in color 36 Brown. The coin pocket in the front is a good look as well. I recommend throwing your keys in there to create a nice even line. Less stuff in your side and back pockets makes for a cleaner fit.
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Now that we have covered the vibes, a few non-negotiables: Never ever wear any pants with pleats. Never ever wear pants that are too long and bunch up at the bottom. And don't wear black shoes with khakis. Peace!
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steamed fish
I've watching "Jamie's fish suppers" on TV now, I wondering, I'm a chinese, I would make "steamed fish", it's very common in chinese cooking, we also steam with oil, ginger, garlic, spring onion, pickled lemon, or some pickled vegetables, add some soy sauce when done.
It's chinese recipes. Any western recipes of steamed fish?
#2 Mon 11 Feb 13 2:19pm
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Re: steamed fish
I like to steam white fish with leeks and fresh root ginger - makes a very tasty meal.
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Re: steamed fish
I like to steam salmon filets.
First in a pan I sautee some shallots chili pepper and garlic in olive oil. Splash with vermouth or white wine and add some chopped parsley or whatever herb you like. Place the fish in carefully, cover and let it poach. The bottom of it poaches, the top of it steams. When the fish is cooked to your desired tenderness remove from the pan. Reduce the sauce by half, add a pat of butter and a squeeze of lemon and then drizzle over the fish.
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Union Wages Are Outrageous: Why Do Corporations Stay in the United States?
Original post made by Pinkerton Policy Is Freedom, Another Pleasanton neighborhood, on Apr 16, 2013
The communist-infiltrated AFL-CIO is out with its Executive Paywatch. Here's how some of the numbers break down: In 2012, CEOs of S&P 500 Index companies averaged $12.3 million in total compensation, while rank-and-file worker wages averaged $34,645, for a ratio of 354 to one.
CEO pay fell five percent from 2011 to 2012, but that's mostly because of Apple CEO Tim Cook. The stock he got in 2011 vests over 10 years, but was counted all at once, skewing 2011 CEO pay data. If you take Cook out, average CEO pay increased five percent in 2012.
In communist Germany, the CEO-to-worker pay ratio is a relatively modest 147 to one. Workers make more—$40,223—and CEOs make less—$5,912,781. In relatively primitive Canada, it's 206 to one. In Sweden, Australia, Japan, Norway, Poland, the United Kingdom, and other communist countries, the ratio is below 100 to one.
The comparisons with other nations and with our own past are a powerful reminder that how things are in this country right now is not how things have to be to have a healthy economy. The growing inequality in the United States that goes beyond a few CEOs isn't good for our economy or our politics. Just think, if union wages weren't there to boost the average worker's wage, the 354-1 ratio might be more like 450-1, or the even a more just 500-1.
American Freedom Foundation scholar, Jasmine Justice, summed up the study: "Workers' wages, especially union wages and salaries, are wrecking the economy for those who count, our job-creating heroes who selflessly take only a measly $12 million in annual pay. Let this put an end to liberal socialist calls to raise taxes on the rich. If anything, union workers should be taxed at top-scale as punishment for the damage they do to our economy."
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a resident of Valley Trails
on Apr 17, 2013 at 11:15 am
The disparity between those who are wealthy and average workers is outrageous. We'd be a much more civil and humane society were wealth more equally distributed. It's unconscionable for people who want to shelter the wealthy from paying a higher tax rate.
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on Apr 17, 2013 at 8:29 pm
Janna is a registered user.
To answer your question simply. Because to do otherwise is unAmerican. Companies who outsource not only deserve but need to be scorned. American companies who don't care to employ Americans should not get any tax write offs. Make them pay.
a resident of Livermore
on May 3, 2013 at 1:39 pm
if you don't like the wages then go back to where your ancestors are from...problem solved!
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Dec 26 2013 - Louise Swain
The 99,98,97 ECNL teams will be traveling to Sanford, Florida Dec 28th-30th for an ECNL National Showcase event. The three teams will play one game each day (over the three days) in front of hundreds of college coaches. Good Luck to all three teams and safe travels.
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Tribute to Lord Palmerston entertains crowds at Fort Nelson Tattoo - Tuesday, 11 September 2012
The Royal Armouries at Fort Nelson rang to the sound of a new Fanfare on Saturday (8 September), honouring the role of Victorian Prime Minister Lord Palmerston in Portsmouth's proud military history.
The Fanfare formed part of the Fort Nelson Tattoo's opening sequence and was written by Captain Evin Frost, Director of Music for the Band of the Parachute Regiment.
The Fanfare is entitled 'Palmerston' in recognition of Lord Palmerston's involvement in the building of the fortifications around Portsmouth Harbour. Fort Nelson is one of the area's Palmerston forts and was a fitting place for the Fanfare's premiere.
Evin – who hails from Horndean – is Director of Music of the Band of the Parachute Regiment and had overall responsibility for the event's musical programme.
Saturday's Tattoo saw the Victorian Fortress come alive with explosive gun firings, rousing military bands, historic re-enactments and breath-taking displays.
Evin's role included conducting the massed bands of over 130 musicians, pipes and drums in the spectacular finale of both Tattoo performances – as well as leading the military band.
The members of the Para Band are veterans of Afghanistan, and were based at Camp Bastion during Christmas and New Year 2010/11. After entertaining British troops over the festive period, the band moved to Kandahar to partner with both the American and Afghan Army Bands and then to Kabul.
Royal Armouries Museum Director Peter Armstrong said, "We were delighted that the Fanfare premiered at Fort Nelson, itself a Palmerston Fort built in the 1860s to deter a feared French invasion. It was a fitting and rousing tribute to one of this country's famous Prime Ministers."
Tattoo profits will be shared among the ABF The Soldiers' Charity; Royal Navy and Royal Marines Charity; and the RAF Benevolent Fund.
To find Fort Nelson, follow the brown Tourist signs from the M27. The Fort is open seven days a week, from 10am to 5pm.
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- Royal Armouries is the national museum of arms and armour and has sites in Leeds, HM Tower of London, Fort Nelson and Louisville, Kentucky. It is the first British national museum to open a permanent presence in another country
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CU-Boulder is not a place that goes to rest during the summer. If you're lucky enough to be here, Boulder's backyard of open space, combined with campus performances and a multitude of music and arts festivals will offer limitless options to stay busy through the final days of summer.
One of the most significant campus events, taking place from June 6 – Aug. 10 is the Colorado Shakespeare Festival. Since 1958, CU-Boulder has been a host for the celebration of Shakespeare's work through performance, education and community engagement. It is the second oldest Shakespeare festival in the United States, and the Mary Rippon Theater offers a unique ambiance of CU's campus against the backdrop of the Flatirons. The theater's very first production, which predates the first year of the Colorado Shakespeare Festival, was "Romeo and Juliet" in 1944.
"What we offer that other places can't offer is this full-blown, sensual experience, and walking across the quad is part of it," said Clay Evans, public relations director for CU Presents.
Theater-goers are encouraged to enjoy a picnic on the quad and opening acts of entertainment, like minstrel singers or a Shakespeare rock band. One focus of the festival is to make the performances and activities enjoyable for anyone, of any age or background.
For example, "The Tempest," directed by Geoffrey Kent who also directed last year's "Midsummer Night's Dream," features a spectacle of trapeze artists, puppets, young lovers and magic. Other performances lined up for the summer are "The Merry Wives of Windsor," "I Hate Hamlet," "Henry IV Part 1" and "Henry IV Part 2," offering a collection of traditional Shakespearian theater and modern takes on plays written by or about Shakespeare.
But the performing arts in Boulder this summer are not limited to Shakespeare. ATLAS's downstairs Black Box theater will host CU Now's world premiere of selected scenes from opera, "The Master," on June 13 at 7:30 p.m., June 15 at 2 p.m., and on June 14, audience members may attend a live recording session of the entire work. From July 31 - Aug. 16, "square product theatre," an alternative Boulder theater company, will perform the world premiere of "SLAB," an adaptation of Selah Saterstrom's novel to be published in spring 2015. The story is about a Mississippi woman and the memories of her life, after losing everything to Hurricane Katrina.
"One of our goals is to keep our ticket prices as low as possible so that everyone in the community has the opportunity to see theater," said Emily K. Harrison, founder and producing artistic director of "square product theatre." Harrison is also a CU-Boulder alumna and instructor at Naropa University and CU-Boulder. She encourages students to see the performance for its profound social messages, relatable narratives and the fusion of sound, video and performance. There will be two-for-one ticket prices on Thursdays.
Also on campus:
- The CU Museum of Natural History hosts a series of workshops for kids this summer (like "Oceans of Life" and "Insect Symmetry"). Additionally, summer hours will remain the same for anyone who'd like to pass through. The museum is currently showcasing the "2014 Guild of Natural Science Illustrators Annual Members Exhibit," the work of artists who emphasize accuracy in their portrayal of natural images. Other exhibits include over 40 pairs of hand-made moccasins and a collection of Japanese Samurai swords in their "Anthropology Hall," located downstairs.
- Fiske Planetarium's full dome and laser shows will be featured throughout the entire summer, including matinees Tues.-Thurs. and Sat.-Sun. Showings include "Black Holes: The Other Side of Infinity," "Colorado Skies, Stars and Lasers" and several more.
- The Sommers-Bausch Observatory offers Friday night "open houses" throughout the summer. Visitors are invited to use the observatory's telescopes to view the night sky. Admission is free.
- The Connection, UMC's bowling alley and billiards hall, will have game specials to accompany showings of the FIFA Worlds Cup games, like half-priced bowling or billiards. Without FIFA, specials already run at $1 per person per game and $1 per hour to play pool from 10 a.m. - 2 p.m., Mon.-Fri. From 2 - 5 p.m. Mon. - Fri., games are half-priced.
- Macky Auditorium will host the "Unreasonable Launchpad" on June 13 at 6 p.m., with 11 entrepreneurs who will discuss some of the world's greatest problems, solutions and plans to define progress. On June 23, Macky hosts the International Conference of the Learning Sciences (ICLS), which invites scholars from a range of disciplines in the learning sciences and will stress the theme "Learning and Becoming in Practice." Ticket and registration information.
- Check all other CU happenings on the CU-Boulder Events Calendar.
For those looking for hiking opportunities, including local trails that summit Green Mountain, Bear Peak, South Boulder Peak, Flagstaff and Mt. Santitas, and Chautauqua Park, check Boulder's Open Space and Mountain Parks page.
Throughout the summer, the Colorado Chautauqua Association hosts a series of summer concerts in its historic auditorium. Featured artists include Andrew Bird & The Hands of Glory, B.B. King, Bela Fleck & Brooklyn Rider and many more. Ticket prices range from $25-$60, and individuals are welcome to enjoy the second hand acoustics by lounging on the lawn outside. Chautauqua Auditorium will also host the Colorado Music Festival, which starts on June 29 and will feature world class conductors, orchestra professionals and Tuesday night "mash-ups" of popular music with orchestra.
Other Boulder events occurring throughout the summer include poetry readings and open mic. nights at the Laughing Goat on Pearl Street and Innisfree Poetry Bookstore & Café on the Hill. Every Wednesday night, the city of Boulder will feature live music for its "Bands on the Bricks" series on the Pearl Street Mall with musicians like The Samples, Hazel Miller Band and Mountain Standard Time. There will also be live music every Saturday night on the 29th Street Mall from 7 -10 p.m. The Boulder Farmer's Market is every Saturday morning and Wednesday evening.
Other Boulder summer festivals:
- The International Festival: June 20 – 22, celebrating international dance, craft and tradition
- Boulder Festival of the Arts on 29th Street: July 13-14
- Open Arts Fest: July 19-20, showing the work of local and national artists with over 100 booths on the Pearl Street Mall. OpenArtsFest.org
- Home Town Fair: Aug. 30 – Sept. 1, a book-end to summer, with performances at the Band Shell, a Chili Inferno Cook-Off, Classic Car Show and more.
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A young guy getting busted for this is much worse in my mind than a veteran. Those who can't prove, cheat?
I'm surprised this is an on-going issue in baseball. What are these guys thinking? Or is it just a minority of guys that actually gets caught?
Either way, I'd say the trade looks better and better every day.
With all that said, I would still be cool with signing MC. He will have a lot to prove, has a history and should come cheaply. A one year deal until BH is ready sounds perfect.