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Discussion in 'THE OTHER TALK' started by heyslugger, Feb 13, 2012.
Anyone work for, collect stuff from, spray paint on, have tattoos of: Trains?
I guess I wanted to connect with anyone who has things they'd like to swap sell or post and show off haivng to do with trains. Let me know if there is a better thread or more established thread for this topic. thanks!
I mostly collected memories and a few photos of the NS 611 and the NS (C&0) 2716 as well as some EMD F units back when NS was doing their steam program. Went between Attalla and Chattanooga on a few excursions on the AGS. I would love to go out west and ride the UP 844 sometime! Thanks!!!
Love trains! Real ones...toy ones, photos.....anything! I've collected anything I can having to do with local RR history, a couple maps from the early 20th century, photos of old RR anything and have a decent amount of HO & N scale trains to play with. I could go on & on but I dont want to get a cramp..... :lol:
I've also got a bunch of Pre-War Lionel track, bridges, related items, 1 gondola and a bunch of overhead mount wall brackets for sale if anyone is into that.
i lay in bed listening to the trains going by every two hours.it is such a pleasant sound.
been known to hop a few.
I have a quite large Märklin H0 train collection from the 50s/60s/70s. Most of the stuff I inherited from my late grandfather, but I obtained numerous items to complement it over the decades.
I also have an almost complete Kitmaster collection.
Let me know if you would like me to post some pictures.
I'm just getting into it after 25 years. Just finished a simple HO layout with my 10-year old son. Loving it. I'm planning on doing an N-scale coffee table layout of the New Orleans St. Charles streetcar line. I live right next to a major junction for BNSF in Schriever, LA.
The layout:
I keep missing the chance to ride the 4449 out here in Portland. This year for sure.
Tattoo I got of the sound of driving across train tracks. Boom Boom is from a game I played with my dad as a kid. He made it up to make me aware of train tracks and trains after a cousin died at a crossing. Just above it you can see the bottom of my City of New Orleans tattoo. the last pic on here is what I used as reference for that one. I also have the train from the beginning of the film 3:10 to Yuma on that same arm.
Got a buddy n the inside who gets me UP & BNSF stuff. Thats a close up of my new helmet. I have a few now but this old sticker is the best.
Some Fred Eagle Smith posters I have designed. Fred loves a train.
I'd love to ssee more pics of HO/Scale stuff or ANY kind of train pics you like and want to share.
And KJV, I envy you. I can hear there from my house SOMETIMES when it's quite out but they are still 3 miles away. When I move to a house I am going to be looking for a spot not to far from the tracks. Here's some pics of a buddy of mine, Dave, hopping some trains. He just made the news for some non-train hopping stuff this last week. Google him. He can now afford to by every rat rod bike ever posted on this whole site...twice over! And still he's a train bum at heart. :shock:
I'm a train guy. Big ones and small. I model HO. I'm starting a new layout, I'm going to model the Chicago Great Western in my attic. Iowa in New york City !
My buddy worked for the CSX in Cumberland MD. I've done a bunch of train watching with him in Maryland,Pennsylvania and the midwest. He now works for the Metro North RR that serves from Grand Central station in NYC up the coast to Conn. and upstate NY.
I love finding old train yards and railroad ghosts from the past. I'll dig up and post some of my pics later.
Sounds good Spokes! Looking forward to seeing'em. Railroad Ghosts, I like it.
I love trains as well, my dad is now retired from working at Amtrak about two years ago and my grand parents in Jacksonville Fl had worked for The Atlantic Coast Line Railroad.
Back in the 80's we had a big train set with Amtrak & other trains but we moved once then lost it all.
This would be a neat thing to have the best of both worlds..... 8)
My Grandpa (passed away almost 20 years ago) worked at the Atchison Topeka Santa Fe Railyard, I have a few railroad items since I ended up with his collection of tie tacs, cuff links, misc stuff.
I know Ive seen a few "coins" and a few other small items, My mom has a coal bucket, and one of those four way lamps that has the red and green lenses, maybe used for a switch?
One interesting thing I did find was a Mechanix Illustrated Golden Hammer award, its like a tie tac, pretty cool. Im trying to find out what he did to earn it. Its probably one of those reader submission project things, wish I could find the issue it was in... that would be awesome!!
One of my favorite 'Train Stories" - Ratfink your lantern comment reminded me of it! Jerry Clower at his finest.
I'm sure I don't need to tell you all this but just in case... riding rails-to-trails can be a great way to connect with railroad history.
There's more to see than just cabooses (got a little carried away) Beautiful depots, trestles and tunnels. Signage and some trails even have markers explaining the railroad's history.
Mitch, my Grandpa worked here at a railyard also. I assume the same one. From what I understand the house they built used a lot of boxcar lumber.
Have to ask my Dad for details.
Here are a few relics I found. Most of these are slides( no digital camera yet!) from 1999.
Old 40' Pennsylvania box car laying long forgotten in the weeds south Croton/ Harmon Yard on the Metro North mainline ,Croton on Hudson ,NY.
You can barely see the old keystone logo...
Last of the EMD FL-9s in passenger service in the US. They were rolled out on a rip track to await their fate. A few ended up in rail museums, the rest met the torch. End of an era. South Croton/ Harmonyard.( Notice some rail fans stole all the number boards off of them)
A real gem from right here in Richmond Hill, Queens at the Long Island Railroad Morris Park shops. My buddy and I walked right in there and was asked by the yard boss to leave. He was a railfan and let us take some pics before he had to escort us out. This was the pre 9/11 days. Today its well protected behind fences and razor wire. No pics allowed anymore. Get caught and get arrested.
Its the last LIRR FL-9 and Alco FA on the ancient steam era round table. Both locos were retired within months of this picture. Never to be seen around here again.
LOCOJOE & Spokes - This stuff is great!! The yellow UP 'Pulling for you' is a nice thing to see preserved like that.
locojoe--you bring up a good point. Rails to Trails and like efforts is an excellent way to support both the biking hobby and your local railroad history. Joining and supporting any local group is a great way to help out and/or showing support for both!
I am a signalman for BNSF. Could send you some pics, videos, possibly some calendars or whatever. Installing new equip in Ft. Madison Iowa currently.
Home of the oldest and largest double decker swing span bridge. cars on top. 2 main lines on bottom. there are some videos on youtube (not mine)
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Town Square
Tight school board race sparks lively discussion
Original post made on Oct 5, 2012
About the candidates:
• [Web Link Melissa Baten Caswell]
• [Web Link Ken Dauber]
• [Web Link Heidi Emberling]
• [Web Link Camille Townsend]
==B Related material:==
• [Web Link Watch Palo Alto school board candidate interviews]
• [Web Link Guest Opinion: What to look for in a school board candidate]
• [Web Link ELECTION 2012: Stories, editorials, videos and resources]
Read the full story here Web Link posted Friday, October 5, 2012, 8:29 AM
Comments (50)
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Oct 5, 2012 at 8:53 am
Thank you for this very informative article about the school board candidates. It is very helpful to know where they all stand on some of the important topics.
I think it is important to note that the calendar change is only a two year pilot and we haven't even finished a semester yet, so it will be hard to evaluate that change before the election. There is no reason to think that this pilot scheme will automatically continue without plenty more discussion.
It would be interesting to show the community what schoology is to those who have not experienced it first hand. For me as a parent, I find that since I have experience with facebook and it is setup so similar to facebook that it is easy for someone who knows facebook to learn, that special training is not a big deal for teachers. It is much simpler to use than InClass and has a different purpose than Infinite Campus. For these reasons, the implementation of this at all our middle and high schools is not as difficult a procedure as some may expect it to be.
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Oct 5, 2012 at 9:05 am
I was very disappointed at the League of Women Voters forum, specifically Ms Emberling refused to answer how she would vote on the calendar issue. This is critical, as it is slated to come up again in 2 years. Instead, we got a 3 minute lecture on the process, and a complete dodge of the question.
Can we get a little less politician response to question. How about giving us an answer?
a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 5, 2012 at 9:10 am
The answer was "that we need more data" before making the decision. It is the correct response to an unknown.
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Oct 5, 2012 at 9:12 am
Disappointed, thank you for your comment.
You are confirming my suspicion that although Emberling is a very bright individual and her experience with preschoolers and elementary school is valuable for school board candidacy, her experience with our high schools is very limited in part due to the age of her children. I think we need parental experience at all levels of PAUSD for a well rounded school board member.
The calendar issue for elementary families is very different for those with a high schooler. I fear that she realises this and is reluctant to comment, but she will need to vote on this if she is elected so her views are extremely interesting but her vote is more important.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 5, 2012 at 9:13 am
> specifically Ms Emberling refused to answer how she
> would vote on the calendar issue.
It's a candidate's right to refuse to answer any question during a campaign, and it's a voter's right to refuse to vote for such a candidate.
That's what elections are all about. Frustrating at times, yes--but that's the way it is.
a resident of Gunn High School
on Oct 5, 2012 at 11:15 am
Perusing the online town square forums under "kids and schools" I found a newly posted guest opinion by Barbara Klausner called "What to Look for in a School Board Candidate". It can be accessed here Web Link I am sorry to see Barbara Klausner go but believe that she sheds lots of light on what should be important to parents and all voters in this election. I know who I am voting for based on what I witnessed at the forum. Barbara does not specifically endorse any candidate in her opinion but based on reading the websites of the candidates and my forum attendance it is clear who may be getting her vote. It is time for our PAUSD to implement best practices in all of our schools. I don't want any Gunn students to have to wait for years for the wheels to spin into action. We have best practices that have been demonstrated over many years to use as models. Thanks to Ken for his willingness to step up and call for changes that can't help but improve the well being of ALL our students in PAUSD. I was happy to hear that Ken and Dr. Skelly have met at Starbucks to discuss data that you have researched (revealed by Ken as part of a forum answer at LWV forum). I know that he must value your expertise in this area!
a resident of Charleston Meadows
on Oct 5, 2012 at 11:31 am
I too have been concerned about Ms. Emberling's vague answers. But between re-electing someone without the good sense to bow out gracefully after 9 years, and someone who will grow on the job, I'll take the newbie. I'm not sure I can take another four years listening to Camille prattle on without saying anything. We have plenty of experience on the board - it's time to thank Camille for her service and retire her.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 5, 2012 at 11:48 am
I have to take issue with Parent over their comment that parental experience at all school levels is required for a rounded board member. Particularly when it came to discussions around the calendar issue, it felt that, because the existing board members all had more recent high school experience, the views and particular issues relating to elementary school parents were discounted or overlooked. I for one would welcome a board member who would ensure that the opinions of nearly half of the PAUSD school community are fully considered at the school board level.
a resident of Gunn High School
on Oct 5, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Just to clarify my last comment, candidate Ken Dauber mentioned that Dr. Skelly requested a Starbucks meeting with him to discuss data Ken had researched and analyzed.
a resident of Walter Hays School
on Oct 5, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Dauber says we should be "requiring" our schools to implement tools or certain policies.
I find his words hitting hard during this anti-bullying month of October. The definition of a bully: v. to hurt, intimidate, or persecute (a weaker or smaller person), esp to make him do something
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a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Oct 5, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Cathy, Thank you for your comments. I tend to think that there are two ways of looking at this experience. I would be just as concerned about a candidate who moved into the disctrict with kids who were secondary school age and had never experienced PA elementary schools. I think that the sum total of experience at all 3 levels (and even preschool levels) make a well rounded candidate. I also don't think there should be any divide on elementary v high school when it comes to important issues. After all, all high school parents have had elementary age children and all elementary parents will become high school parents in due course. There are of course also a large number of families that will experience 2 if not all 3 levels of schools at the same time.
As far as site based decision making, the examples given have been connected with high school issues, technology based (schoology) and guidance. I would like to mention an elementary example of this.
Palo Verde has for many, many years, through several principals, practised a two tier start and dismissal for grades 1 thru 3 for four days each week. This is known in the school community as early readers and late readers as it historically was designed to help teachers to give them smaller groups in the classroom both at the start of the day and the end of the day. The late readers typically start their day approximately 50 minutes later than the early readers and end approximately 50 minuters later than the earlies. It means that the 1 - 3 grade teachers are in the classroom the same length of time as the 4 - 5 grade teachers, but the students still have less time. This system probably helps with traffic, but must be a good system for some families and a bad system with others as they have to adjust kids' schedules, childcare, etc. accordingly. However since the practice has been going on for a long time, it is probably deemed worthwhile.
As far as I know, no other PAUSD elementary school has decided to copy this system. At the same time, no other school seems to criticize this as being a bad system. I have no idea if some or all of the present board members or even all the candidates are aware this exists. It never seems to be brought up in any discussion comparing elementary schools that I have been aware of.
This creative idea shows that there are positives to school based decision making. I think we have to be careful about how much we should prevent this happening. Obviously there are differences between having 2 high schools where we expect similar results, and many elementary schools where the differences are not so striking (not taking into account the choice programs).
I am not completely sure who I think will make the best candidates, I am still weighing the pros and cons of all. But this discussion is helpful.
a resident of Walter Hays School
on Oct 5, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Parent - what are your views on candidates who have (or have had) children in private schools along the way?
a resident of Charleston Meadows
on Oct 5, 2012 at 12:40 pm
@Hays mom - by your definition, every boss who tells their employee to do something is a bully. Every law is by definition a bullying law because it requires us to do something. [Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.] It's the board's job to direct and require when necessary. It's called policy-making.
a resident of Nixon School
on Oct 5, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Can't you please stick to the issues without calling someone a bully? You know exactly how loaded that term is and frankly it is just pathetic that you can't go five minutes without making some ridiculous charge. Because Ken has the totally sane proposal to reexamine site based control he's a bully? Maybe people who post anonymous insults are the bullies? Ya think? According to you Barb Klausner is a bully because she says the exact same thing. Just stick to the issues. Whenever people like you start posting the editor shuts down the forum. I want the forum! Please shut up and go away before we all lose the benefit of the discussion.
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Oct 5, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Site based control can also be viewed as an equity issue. For example, Gunn has an Engineering program and Paly does not. Paly has a great Journalism program, Gunn's is much less extensive. Middle schools teach writing pretty much any way the teacher wants (but that is being worked on). Elementary science programs vary from school to school from the Ohlone Farm to some schools having the Junior Museum host programs to a dedicated science teacher (and classroom) at Escondido.
While some site-based decision making is appropriate - especially at the elementary level where the school population and ESL needs for example can vary greatly) we need to ensure that all of the students are receiving an equal education. Sharing best practices more consistently and more decision making at the District not the school level.
a resident of Gunn High School
on Oct 5, 2012 at 1:22 pm
I agree that site based control is a fairness issue. Dauber is right that "We've emphasized site-based control at the expense of the idea that every child has a right to equal access to services," and so is Barbara Klausner when she's saying the same thing. It's no shock to me that both have had kids at Gunn. I didn't even know that Paly has a different guidance system than Gunn until I read about it in the paper this year, and I have a sophomore at Gunn and a 7th grader at Terman. My son has is first appointment with a counselor next week, since he's been in high school!
While at Paly students are meeting with their TAs many times a year, and getting information about signing up for classes, getting ready for college, etc. Why is my son not getting any of that because we live in Barron Park? He needs it just as much and I pay the same taxes. It's fine with me to leave it up to the school to decide when to schedule the assembly, but if you're going to give me something a lot worse I'm not OK with that. I want someone on the school board who is going to fix this. I think this is an equity issue, and I don't really understand why this is even an issue.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 5, 2012 at 1:48 pm
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a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 5, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Site-based vs. PAUSD Policy:
The purpose of site-based decision making is to allow a reasonable amount of innovation and variety at the local level. It's not a mechanism for allowing a site to veto proven, sane solutions. And it shouldn't be simply to give people time to find the right decision themselves. Doctors have to observe standards because certain treatments have been shown to be better than others. This doesn't mean that we don't value doctors. But they need to be responsible and follow best practices (using sterilized needles). Teachers should have to do the same. So Schoology and Teacher Advisory should be mandated by the Board. That's leadership.
Maybe that in this respect, we should get off our high horses and emulate the less affluent school districts.
Also, just because you don't like someone's view, doesn't mean you get away with calling them a bully. Stick to the issues and debate them, rather than resorting to desperate tactics like petty name-calling.
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Oct 5, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Hays Mom, good question I had to think about a bit.
As to whether a candidate has had a child or children spend part of their time in private school, I tend to think that as long as they have had at least one child in each level it helps to make them more rounded. If they have decided to take one of several children out and put them into private schools it probably adds to the roundedness. My thinking on this is twofold. Firstly, there had to be a good reason for doing this and that means that they understand the school and the suitability of that particular school for that particular child. Additionally, it gives them a different perspective as they have experience of the private schools and can see which of the benefits of private school could be adapted for public school.
My thoughts are that all experience is beneficial to making any of us more rounded individuals. I also think we should be looking on making sure that the board itself is well rounded and that we have many different types of individuals to add to the sum total of the board, although I like the idea of the generalization of having experienced at least once all levels of PAUSD schools.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 5, 2012 at 1:52 pm
You state:
The answer was "that we need more data" before making the decision. It is the correct response to an unknown.
The question is whether that should have been known to someone running for School Board.
a resident of Walter Hays School
on Oct 5, 2012 at 2:05 pm
If I thought everyone was a bully who shared a different view than my own then I probably wouldn't have many friends. My reason for the post is not based on our views differing. It's on his behavior and actions to this point. I hope that if he is elected, that will change.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 5, 2012 at 2:07 pm
We attended the Walter Hays forum and were struck by how little Ken Dauber had to say on specific elementary school issues. His focus seems to be entirely on the high school experience and because of this he has lost our vote. The argument that we, as elementary school parents, will feel differently once our kids reach middle and high school is totally irrelevant and frankly patronizing. Yes, our kids will be in high school at some point but at the moment our issues concern where our kids are today. For example, whoever determined that the school year should start on a thursday was not thinking of its impact on elementary school families, particularly working families. The calendar issue is of huge importance to the elementary school community and many of us feel betrayed by a board that so completely disregarded our opinions.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 5, 2012 at 2:35 pm
David, in the forum I was at Heidi stated that she wanted to see additional survey results on the current change. That felt like a totally reasonable response. "We've made the change, let's measure the effectiveness. If it's improving things, continue with it. If it's not working, change it".
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That was a weird removal. I guess obliqueness get's removed.
The schools are different. Parents move to north or south Palo Alto because they prefer what each school offers, as well as the make up and culture of the school.
Equality doesn't mean the same. In this case it simply means having the same value. In the case of counselling at Gunn, this is what the board has requested.
Forcing every school to do exactly the same thing is a huge step backwards.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 5, 2012 at 3:08 pm
"Dauber says we should be "requiring" our schools to implement tools or certain policies."
Unfortunately, I am not surprised by this statement. I regret having to say so, but Mr. Dauber, who has been very vocal regarding school issues for a few years now, does not strike me as a consensus builder. When his group wants something, they tend to come and ask for it, and if they don't get it, they try and try again, sometimes very noisily. Nothing illegal with this, but, in my opinion, they have just been wearing the school board members down until the school board finally gives in on the issue at hand and gives that group what they ask for, in spite of opposition by other parents. This may be perfectly legal, and some people may like this style of behavior. I know I don't. I like people who are able to build consensus, who are able to compromise and who can accept that things won't necessarily always go their way. I will vote for someone who fits this bill.
a resident of Charleston Meadows
on Oct 5, 2012 at 4:06 pm
@anonymous - You should check with the members of the Homework Advisory Committee before deciding about Dauber's ability to build a consensus. That committee came together to offer unanimous recommendations to the board despite starting in different places. Members have praised Dauber for his role in helping build that consensus. People's actual experiences should weigh more heavily than supposition when coming to conclusions about important decisions like this one.
a resident of Gunn High School
on Oct 5, 2012 at 4:22 pm
@anonymous: Sometimes it is necessary to continue to advocate for something because it is just plain "right" even though it may not seem "fair". I for one don't like the fact that Gunn students are forced to have counselors that have such a heavy load that they can't see their students at reasonable intervals. When it comes to any area where improving our student's social/emotional health, we need to make sure that our students have those improvements (in this case the teacher advisory system). I am glad that there is a parent committee out there who refuses to roll over and say, "Okay, let's just continue with the same old same old" and forget about all the evidence out there that TA works in fact, excels in promoting positive outcomes for the students.. Sometimes persistence is necessary. I believe that the changes that have been suggested or are being suggested are all in the best interests of our kids. I am glad that my student can have a stress free winter break and while I can sympathize with those parents who are up in arms about the calendar change all I can say is, "Get over it!" It is time for us to use all of the tools at our disposal in alleviating pressure on our kids. I think that the majority of the school board voted to implement the calendar change because they were willing to agree that maybe, just maybe, improving the quality of our students down time is critical to their overall health and well being. Is this about inconvenience for parents or better all around outcomes for our precious students? Come on now, don't we all want the best outcomes for all of our students? I am grateful that there is a parent group out there that had the desire to do the hard work involved in coming up with better solutions based on solid data. Hey, if we could get over the site-based-control-or-else thing we could benefit by having the Paly TA system or something similar but with a Gunn twist very soon. This would be such great news for our studens. Our kids have waited long enough and they deserve more. I am looking forward to hearing what the Gunn staff will be presenting to the board very soon.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 5, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Amazing, this insistence, that TA is the only solution for Gunn.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 5, 2012 at 5:17 pm
> But Dauber [said] greater sophistication with data could
> have yielded more certainty about enrollment projections
Lapkoff & Gobalet Demographic Research, Inc. has been the District's demographer for a long time. Is Ken Dauber saying that their work is shoddy? Is he saying that he would see that another demographer should be engaged by the District? What kinds of "sophistication" is Dauber taking about. Does he plan to provide a series of white papers that provide a clear analysis of the problems of this vendor's work, with a precise plan that will provide much better enrollment projects than the District is getting now?
> and that shortage of good data means the district has
> failed to "engage in a full partnership
> with the city over Cubberley."
And just what data is Dauber talking about here? Enrollment projection data, or some other kinds of data. For someone who seems critical of the District's lack of "sophistication", should Dauber be very precise in his claims—from here on out?
Just pointing a finger isn't good enough, time to put up or shut up.
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Oct 5, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Heidi may or may not have high school kids. I don't care. What I care about is that the school board candidates take a few minutes to LEARN THE ISSUES.
This is not a past issue that is behind us. This is not some irrelevant philosophical issues for pondering. This is an issue right in front of us, that has high community involvement, and will be voted on again soon. It is not unreasonable to expect a candidate to tell us her opinion.
It is not like this issue is secret, or there is not sufficient data - for god sakes, read a paper, look at the school board meetings. If she has no opinion, she is either uninformed, or unwilling to express it. Either is unacceptable.
Her complete unwillingness to offer how she would have voted when the question was: "how would you vote?" seems like a dodge.
I get to vote, so I will. Heidi get's a "NO" until she can study an issue and form an opinion.
We don't need any more slippery politicians.
a resident of Gunn High School
on Oct 5, 2012 at 5:23 pm
@determinant: If you have a better solution and can bring that to the Board and Gunn (don't know if you are a parent in the district), more power to you! I don't see any point in reinventing wheels but maybe there is something better out there that you can bring to the table. I am all ears as I am very anxious for all of our students to benefit from your ideas. Please........over to you. I have found that many of the people who object haven't even looked at other counseling system in depth. If you have, please the results of your research! :-)
a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 5, 2012 at 5:51 pm
I have serious concerns about the behavior of Ken Dauber over the past few years. [Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.] When he was losing the debate in his attempt to water down the high school graduation requirements, he brought up the fact that the Tinsley kids weren't performing as well, and that the board should be ashamed. That was a subtle attempt to make it seem as if the board were discriminating based on race. The board didn't want to be accused of that, and agreed to create a separate set of graduation requirements for kids who couldn't meet the stronger standards the board wanted.
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I realize the Weekly likes Ken because he favors the idea of reducing stress by watering down academics, but Ken's behavior disqualifies him for consideration for school board.
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Oct 5, 2012 at 6:40 pm
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a resident of Gunn High School
on Oct 5, 2012 at 6:55 pm
@Lies and the lying liars who tell them: I did notice that the Weekly cut the horns off the top of Ken's head on the banner ad (probably so that nobody could substantiate the rumors). I am really concerned with the last comment that Bailey made because that is not at all like the Ken I have witnessed. Please do not lie about Ken. Too many of us who have witnessed him in action and know what he stands for can call you on all of this. Thank you. It doesn't pay to put a pack of lies up in this forum or anywhere else (let Romney do that!).
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Oct 5, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Stick to the issues and the truth.
a resident of Palo Verde
on Oct 5, 2012 at 9:52 pm
frustrated mom is a registered user.
We have good candidates, but at this time, I believe that Ken is the candidate to vote for. He has so much experiences in both private and public school. Just like I do. There are many ideas that can be taken from private and put into action on the public school. One example of this is the school lunches are so tasteless and unhealthy. Go to private schools and see how they serve food that it is prepared right there in the cafeteria. With Ken changes like food improvement will happen, and may others in the benefit of our students. if he does win, we will continue with the same old story, and our children will keep stressing out, having unequal quality of counseling at the high schools. Also Ken has been a parent who has had different kinds of experiences as a parent as every child is unique, and that experience can be very helpful to take school decisions on behalf or district students and parents. I wish you would get to really know him who he is both as a parent, husband and as a volunteer. He has so much to offer. It is time to make a change. People we have to move forward to improve our schools. We lost too many kids already, and others are suffering in silence or in hospitals due to stress and bullying. Yes, Ken might come strong at times, but I think that will be a quality that will help him when taking decisions that will benefit our kids. Give him a chance. Our kids deserve it.
a resident of Gunn High School
on Oct 6, 2012 at 9:52 am
Rajiv Bhateja is a registered user.
>> "Amazing, this insistence, that TA is the only solution for Gunn."
Not the only solution but the best for which we have data.
FAR more amazing IMHO: the ludicrous resistance to TA!
a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 6, 2012 at 1:10 pm
determinant is a registered user.
Rajiv, the best data says that Paly Students consider Advisory to be a complete waste of time. The best data says that Paly Students wouldn't recommend going to a TA if they were struggling with a personal issue. The best data says that Paly Students themselves wouldn't go to a TA with a personal issue.
More concerning, the besta data that says the most serious problems Paly and Gunn students are facing is the pressure the students feel from parents, peers and to get into a "good" college.
Now...tell me again, why the focus on TA? This is a classic case of focusing on the solution instead of the problem.
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I will be casting my vote for Heidi Emberling. I am encouraging others to do the same!
I have never in my life expressed a public opinion about any political election. I have never put a sign on my lawn. I have never hosted any fundraising or candidate promoting events. This year, I am doing ALL OF THESE THINGS.
Heidi is running for the school board because she can make a difference for the families in our district, for the students in our district, and for the teachers in our district. We must all support each other as we grow our kids into educated, engaged, life-long learners. We want our kids to become the next generation of leaders, great thinkers, and innovators. She feels that for those for whom the word "barrier" is an exciting challenge, it is not a closed door.
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on Oct 8, 2012 at 8:17 pm
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All teenagers likely regard any type of counseling as a waste of time. They probably regard conversations with their parents the same way. So I do not associate any value with that position.
Also, regarding your statement:
"More concerning, the besta [sic] data that says the most serious problems Paly and Gunn students are facing is the pressure the students feel from parents, peers and to get into a "good" college."
Is this just another opinion or is there support for it?
Here's hard data:
In gross terms, there are 125 measures on which Gunn and Paly can be directly compared. For 95 of these measures (76%), Paly students are 5 or more percentage points more satisfied than Gunn students. For 6 of these measures (5%), Gunn students are 5 or more percentage points more satisfied than Paly students.
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on Oct 8, 2012 at 8:30 pm
determinant is a registered user.
Or you could just look at the survey results instead of taking someone's word fit it: Web Link
I've always wanted to know - Why is the 5% points statistically significant? No one seems to be able to answer it.
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on Oct 9, 2012 at 8:06 pm
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That this passes for a qualified discussion amazes me. Please, keep gossiping about my education like twelve-year-olds, adults of Palo Alto.
a resident of Professorville
on Oct 10, 2012 at 8:47 pm
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I am a Paly senior, and I disagree. Advisory, especially by junior and senior year, is helpful in organizing information the school year as well as the college process. That being said, most Paly students would not go to a TA with a personal problem (but definitely would go to guidance counselors). However, in advisory, we talk a lot about hotlines and resources to consult for personal problems, so while the TA themselves aren't the fixers of problems, they provide help. Personally, I wouldn't go to my TA with a personal issue, but if I were referred to mine, I would have no problem talking to my TA about personal issues.
On your final point, about being accepted to a "good" college. I would not be anywhere near as confident as I currently am about the college process without my TA and the advisory system. We've been given countless helpful information sheets, had deadlines and the entire process explained to us clearly and helpfully and been given copious amounts of support. I agree, 99% of my stress comes from college pressure. But School Board candidates won't change the fact that we live in Silicon Valley and are surrounded by highly successful people and an environment that going to Stanford/Harvard/Northwestern is necessary to succeed. However, they can provide more help to students to make the college process as stress free as possible. The TA system is the way to go.
I'm currently writing this from tonight's School Board Forum, and I will say that Ken Dauber is the only candidate that has impressed me. He's the only one serious about quitting dilly-dallying and getting down to business to solve issues. On the subject of Schoology, the mandate is the only way to change things. I'm one of the editor-in-chief of Paly's newspaper, and personally wrote an editorial critiquing the district's failure to fix the underlying issues of online softwares. However, I also believe that Schoology is a vast improvement to old systems, and there's no way it would have been implemented without the district wide mandate. I've talked to several of my teacher's who have stated that it was not very difficult to change to the new system, and having all teachers on one site is a big help to students. The mandate is the way to go.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 11, 2012 at 2:41 pm
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Individual experiences are all well and good. That's the point of open-ended questions at the end of surveys.
Now let's look at the actual data. The #1 problem raised by Paly Students in the recent survey was "I feel anxiety about getting into the colleges that I want to go to". To put numbers to this, out of 1348 responses:
Strongly Agree (428)
Agree (524)
Neither Agree nor Disagree (253)
Disagree (109)
Strongly Disagree (34).
I guess you must be one of the 34 Paly students who don't have anxiety about getting into a good college. That's great for you but you're in a very exclusive minority out of 1348 responses.
The bottom line is that TA is failing Paly students with their #1 issue. TA, if implemented at Gunn, will also fail Gunn students with their #1 issue.
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on Oct 11, 2012 at 4:27 pm
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We need fresh blood - "You should check with the members of the Homework Advisory Committee before deciding about Dauber's ability to build a consensus. That committee came together to offer unanimous recommendations to the board despite starting in different places. Members have praised Dauber for his role in helping build that consensus. People's actual experiences should weigh more heavily than supposition when coming to conclusions about important decisions like this one."
I must say that I was a member of the Homework Advisory Committee and I completely disagree with your statement saying Dauber built consensus. While Dauber certainly presented interesting views, some of which I agreed with, the recommendations from the committee were not unanimous. The entire process was constructive and enlightening for all participants due to excellent leadership by Charles Young. It would be great to continue the conversation to ensure buy-in from all the stakeholders so that improvements are made. However, there were some significant additions to the regulations that were strong-armed in by Dauber and his group during the last few meetings (which were not regularly scheduled meetings and did not have 100% attendance as a result) that did not have unanimous support among teachers OR parents.
a resident of Professorville
on Oct 11, 2012 at 5:55 pm
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I would actually place myself in the "strongly agree" category. And the TA system has helped me and my peers an incredible amount in the process, minimizing a lot of the stress around the college process. The TA's are focused mainly on the college process and are incredibly helpful to students. The system isn't failing students, it's undoubtedly a success.
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on Oct 11, 2012 at 8:00 pm
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@ another parent
I served on the homework advisory committee and attended the last meeting where the vote was 100% thumbs up for the new Homework Board Policy. Dr. Young did an exemplary job chairing the meetings; insuring that the discussions were respectful and that ALL voices were heard. I did not see any evidence of strong arming and also don't know who you refer to in your statement about "Dauber and his group". I agreed with Dauber so I guess I am part of his group along with everyone else who attended the last meeting and voted in favor of the new policy.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 12, 2012 at 8:59 am
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In the space of two posts you've managed to contradict yourself.
Now, lets analyze your comment on advisory. You say that "Advisory, especially by junior and senior year, is helpful in organizing information the school year as well as the college process". So, lets take a look at the data.
"Advisory is a valuable use of my times" comes in at #9 in the list of issues. Putting numbers to this, out of 1389 responses only 34% would agree with you. TAs are doing much better here than on the previous question where only 10% would agree with you.
Simply looking at the data and your answers, you are certainly in a minority that considers TA to be working at Gunn.
a resident of Professorville
on Oct 13, 2012 at 11:35 am
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I think you are mistaken as to what "contradict" means. In both posts I supported the TA system.
I think that data isn't as specific as it should be. As a freshmen or sophomore, I would have considered advisory a waste too. But by second semester of junior year, advisory became a valuable asset. Advisory has been great in the college process, however, a lot of the school has yet to go through that process, and hence hasn't felt the great effects of advisory. If that poll were recalibrated to just juniors and seniors, I would be surprised if students felt the same way.
Now, this brings up two points. First, advisory is a big waste of time for underclassmen, right? Only a little bit. Freshman year, a lot of advisory is devoted to acclimating students to high school. It's boring, but helps. Both freshmen and sophomore year, advisory talks a lot about mental health. Once again, most students are bored by the topic and feel it doesn't apply to them, but it does help students in need. Advisory is unpopular with underclassmen, but serves a purpose that is critical. I bet "math class is a valuable use of my times" would poll way under 34%, but it's not the place of education to teach what is popular, but to teach what is necessary.
Secondly, according to the data you cited, isn't the college process what most students are stressed about? And if the main positive point of the TA system is that it helps students be less overwhelmed by the college process, isn't it a good thing that the #1 source of stress for students is being treated as the #1 most important issue in advisory?
a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 16, 2012 at 10:53 am
determinant is a registered user.
This is a necro thread so don't expect any response.
Try reading your posts again. Your support of TAs in the face of contradictory responses is indicative of your bias.
"If that poll were recalibrated to just juniors and seniors, I would be surprised if students felt the same way."
Ok, let's look at the data breakdown as you suggest:
9th: 32%
10th: 37%
11th: 38%
12th: 32%
So, surprised yet? Again the data doesn't back up your assumptions. Across the board, Advisory is considered a waste of time.
It's unfortunate that you're so blindly supporting a system that is failing the majority of its students. You should make your decisions based on the actual data and not on how well you get on with your particular TA before attempting to thrust it on another school.
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Thank you for the replies. The nitrites are 0.25 probably because of too many WC's to fast. Nitrates are just not there yet it seems.
As far as ferts for plants, I "think" that a little goes a loooong way here. In our efforts to follow the "book" and do things really correct, do also think we are shooting ourselves in the foot at times. The flair-up of diatoms just might be a normal thing and part of the overall cycling process. The flair-ups just might even be somewhat random and only affect tanks were there is a "perfect storm" of conditions.
The one thing I "think" I'm certain that started the diatoms were disturbing the substrate too much with adding and removing plants and just stirring up the gravel. There was extra ditritus flying all around the tank then. Couple that with a dirty filter and low circulation, and then,... that could have been too much for the bacteria to deal with. I'm starting to think that when diatoms appear, they are sort of like a "third" good bacteria invading the tank, only they're not so good. Then the tank settles down again after a bit of house cleaning. Time will tell.
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About 2.5 months ago, i really suffered from diatoms. This was not the first initial diatom bloom that almost all tanks get. It came back. And it came back hard. So the reason why it came back was cuz I decided i wanted to lower my substrate near the front, but i did not want to remove my aquasoil that i had capping my flourite. So i decided, lets move the aquasoil to the sides, scoop up the flourite, then cover back with the aquasoil. Well, it worked, but at a huge cost. I am not sure if I did a WC after that but i think even if I did, I had already mucked up my substrate way too much. Diatoms came about 1 week later. It remained for 2 months. During these 2 months, i thought about ragequitting this hobby since I couldn't figure out what was going on. I kept arguing "its not diatoms! I see that the glass is pretty clean and browning only happens around the edges of some plants, but it does not wipe off". I found out i was overdosing EI, so perhaps it was overdose of ferts, and i reduced my dosing. I also had gotten a new light, the Kessil LED. Perhaps it was too much light. I also changed to a canister filter, maybe i wasnt cycled anymore. But here's the thing. Overdosing ferts has been proven to not be the cause of algae blooms by the majority. Kessil LED's PAR placed me around low to medium light. Filter shoudlve built up the bacteria pretty quickly as it also lives in the tank and can colonize the media quite rapidly. The only reason left was the substrate swapping I did.
So I increased my CO2 as much as I could and dosed regular EI. I started getting hair algae, cyano, staghorn, and BBA all along with these stupid diatoms. My tank was a mess. It got to the point where my plants were too unhealthy to continue. They were surviving, but it would take a long time for them to recover. I decided to finally do a blackout. 3 days, 0 light. I did not care about the plants since i figured if they die, they die, i cant do much about it, they arent going to live much longer anyways.
I uncovered the tank. All the browning went away. Clado was hit hard, so was hair algae, but it was still there. But the diatoms were gone!. It took me about 2 months to decide to do the blackout. Over the next few weeks, i got new plants in, used my old wisteria i kept alive in a bucket to help the tank recover, removed as much algae as I could and tossed plants that were too badly infested. Kept dosing EI, CO2, etc. Still had hair algae, spiro, and clado, but algaefix worked wonders.
To this day, the only algae I am battling with is BBA and I know why. Plants are doing very well and growing fast. I still dose EI and even double my phosphates and micros. No diatoms, no algae other than BBA. I learned from this experience to focus on growing healthy plants, not killing algae or controlling it. The plants when doing well will cover that for me. But first you need to get healthy plants in or have enough.
For the diatoms, try to be patient. Don't expect them to go away even in a months time. Keepup with good filter cleaning, maintenance, stable CO2 and water levels, add more plants, and Water changes. Blackout if you cant stand it, the plants should handle it no problem. I even had UG blackout. No problems, just a bit of it turned white. Eventually, you will see them go away. I want to suggest just black it out, then add in tons of fast growing plants to help stabilize the tank. But I also believe time is very important to defeating diatoms.
|If your nitrates are zero and nitrites are .25....the tank hasn't finished cycling. Did you flip they by accident?
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Yea, Knew I left out some details. The 37 gal tank has been running for 42 days but the brown dusty diatoms have been noticed for the past 2 weeks. Pulled out the crypt and was able to brush the "brown dust" off the leaves, so I'm sure it's not algae per se, but diatoms. I only stopped the ferts today, so it could have been that.
I am using Flourite over Flora-Max substrate in the 37 and only Flourite in one of the "tens". Both these tanks are cycled and have brown algae "dust". The "ten" has been going for 54 days now and the crypt is growing great, but a few leaves are showing brown dust on them like the 37. So, there is a common thing happening here. I have since clipped the few leaves with the dust off with scissors and have increased the aeration some to create water movement and add O2, but I could still be using too much light on both tanks.
Do think the light is on too much thou, I agree, but diatoms grow with or without light I hear, perhaps this is wrong. Nitrites are 0.25 and ammonia is 0, nitrates are 0 also. The tank had zero nitrite at day 30, so it is cycled quite well. Don't as yet have a phosphate test kit. They're hard to locate in Florida. I'm ordering some stuff from the net soon and making up a list right now.
I do think this problem will just "cycle" itself away, from what I've read so far. I am optomistic about it. Years ago, I had all kinds of real algae and possibly even these diatom things too without even realizing it, and it never worried me. The tanks I had always cleared themselves, albeit with a little scrapping of the glass! Now, I have learned to do water changes and that may have stirred up the substrate some, causing or aggrivating the problem.
I will try to update this thread and see if I can pin down the offending "variable" to the diatoms.
Thank you for your help too!
The balance between nitrates and phosphate is important. So post the readings.
You have done a lot right. Often the learning involves taking one step at a time. Buy some new plants and restart trying things out.
I too have a diatom problem. My tank has been set up for 8 months. I figured out my tank gets dirrect sunlight for about half an hour on sunny days. Since I can't move the tank I bought a bristle nose pleco. They eat algae and stay small - 6 inches. That solved my problem. A pleco may not solve your root problem, but your tank will be spotless and the pleco will have a never ending supply of food.
Another idea -maybe you need some fast growing plants and dose more regularly with ferts and especially API booster. I dose everyday with booster (I have low tech tank) and found it helped my plants and slowly has gotten rid of all my algae issues.
Lighting- how deep is your tank?
Phosphates don't cause algae... nutrient imbalances and too long of a photo period do. Stopping your ferts may have done more harm than good.
While your light fixture may not be too much for your tank, leaving it on for 11 hours a day might be.
More info is definitely helpful... such as test results (ammonia, nitrite, and nitrates) and how long the tank has been running.
|How old is the tank. What are your nitrate/phosphate readings? Is it just dusty brown or is it hairy brown algae. I'm afflicted with the same brown diatom algae so I really can't give you any pointers. Some say ottos/nerite snails it it. I really can't say if they do or not, since mine isn't getting eaten.
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Hi All, This is my first post and am sad to say it's about the diatom "brown algae" that has all but destroyed the plants in my 37 gal tank. It has also started to show up in one of my 10 gal tanks too and also on the same two types of plants, Anubias & Crypt's.
After following many threads here about diatoms have made some changes already to the tank. I have since added a power head to increase water flow and added a pouch of API Phos-Zorb to the Fluval 50 filter. Carbon was removed. The Anubias and Cryptocoryne wendtii were really going brown. I had been using API Leaf Zone and Seachem Flourish alternately weekly. I have stopped this, but do continue to add some API CO2 Booster each morning.
The T5 Dual tube lights add up to 36 watts and is on 11 hours a day, aprox. The amount of light does seem bright enough, but may not be seeing it's only 1 watt / gal. Should I add a stronger light system?
I cleaned the filter and it was all brown inside, the tubes as well. Also, have trashed the plants. Now know I could have brushed the diatoms off and saved them. Ugh!
I have an airstone, but should I run it all the time or just at night now?
The 10 Tiger Barbs seem very happy and the water is very clear. It's funny thou, the two Bacopa carolinia plants left in the tank are unaffected by the diatoms, no brown spots at all and are growing!
I added the API Phos-Zorb on a hunch that my tap water has some phosphate in it, but don't yet have the test kit to test it for sure.
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