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|2013-02-20, 14:59
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The third Hokage was said to be the strongest ever, and now its retconned as the first. Considering we haven't seen much from either of them, Hashirama being the strongest shinobi doesn't damage any elements of the story that I can think of, so whats the problem? I don't see the big deal here, I mean wasn't he a legendary Hokage anyway? I wonder if it was the fourth Hokage who was retconned as the strongest ever, would we be getting all these complaints?
|2013-02-20, 15:00
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Hidden Village of Sake
It seems that the Hashirama-Madara rivalry relationship is the opposite of the Naruto-Sasuke one: Hashirama being the genius type and Madara being annoyed by that
And most importantly now we know why was Madara bragging to the 5 kages that their fight was nowhere near the one that he had against Hashirama. And because of that it's becoming obvious that even if the completely exhausted alliance manages to win against Obito it will only lead to the fight against Madara which they cannot win. Madara's only concern is how to make Obito sacrifice himself to revive him, so i guess he doesn't really want to help Obito, rather he would like Obito to lose and then tell him that he can execute the plan if Obito revives him.
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|2013-02-20, 15:00
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Join Date: Aug 2010
I think its funny that certain people are complaining about legendary figures being "overpowered", yet the recent slew of ridiculous powerups and fanservice Naruto's been recieveing apparently caused no need for concern from these people. Apparently power-ups and fanservice are only valid if they're given to Naruto.
|2013-02-20, 16:01
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Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Germany
Oh, off-topic.
|2013-02-20, 16:31
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|2013-02-20, 18:55
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jeez we get it. The first steals madara's ice cream and he gets all emo and wants to destroy the village. We've seen this story told like 5 times now.
The fight was really cool seeing the armor kyubbi, bijuu bomb+susanno sword, and 1000 hands attack. Hopefully the flashback is only 1 more chapter before we get to see the current battlefield again.
|2013-02-20, 20:06
|Link #51
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: U.S
Honestly, I don't see the big deal with the power and strength that Mardara and Harishima has.
I was a little bit shaken when I first heard how strong Mardara was making Harishima to be (based on the first description of him when Oro summoned him) but I got over it.
Naruto is an action show...not in the philosophy/logic genre. I don't expect Kishimoto to never commit fallacies. To me, as long as the story is still ENJOYABLE, then I will still read it. That's the point of manga, right....to enjoy it.
I don't want to be a prick, but I'm just a little disheartened when people take the events so seriously when the main point is just to be entertained. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with not liking a particular angle that the story took..but in reality if you're that bothered by the manga or show, then why bother watching it.
In any case, I enjoyed this chapter a lot. I always thought that after Naruto, there would be a spin off series explaining the stories of Harishima and Mardara....but I get something even more instant, so I'm liking it. There power strengths are a beauty to watch...you can't tell me that it is not BOSS to see legendary fights of this nature.
I can't wait to see this animated.
Harishima would surely crush Naruto in a fight, in Naruto's current state, but I think that's a great thing. This shows that Naruto still has a long way to go. If he became Hokage now, wouldn't he be the youngest to do so?? I mean Naruto's strong, but he isn't a genius like his father and the other Hokages..I expect him to not break any records. So to show the true power of the most epic Hokage kinds of put Naruto's power into perspective. Also, this makes the notion of Kakashi ever becoming Hokage almost delusional...would he really be fit to be Hokage?, I don't even think he would agree with that. He would be the weakest Kage in the history of Kage lol
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|2013-02-20, 20:36
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|2013-02-20, 21:05
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Also, I'm unsure how Hashirama is telling this story. Did he actually describe the entire battle only to abruptly start talking about how he first met Madara
Anyways, there we were, Madara and I, charging towards each other in the climatic final attack in our duel to the death---wait, did I tell you how we first met? Ok, it started when we were boys skipping stones at the creek...
|2013-02-20, 21:07
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Why are ppl complaining about how strong hashirama is? It's been a well known fact for 2-300 chapters that him and madara are heads and shoulders above anyone who came before or after them (excluding so6p)
So how is it a retcon that they are so strong? When nearly half the manga has been about how godlike they were?
Besides is it even a retcon? Kakashi said the 3rd was the strongest hokage, he also said the sharingan came from the byakugan....Maybe ppl shouldn't believe everything that comes out of his mouth, he didn't even think the so6p was real.
Just because you don't know the whole history to a story, or the characters in it doesn't make it a retcon. It means the story is incomplete. Orochimaru used to be the baddest thing to ever walk the earth at one time....and you know what? We were like 100 or so chapters in.
So quit calling things a retcon because you didn't know the whole story of what is going to be a 700+ long manga after the first page of the first chapter.
You know...Jesus didn't come till the very end of the bible...I think God did a retcon.
|2013-02-20, 21:16
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Location: The Dark Side of The Moon
I don't see any retconning at all.
Aside from the fact that Hashirama didn't display this strength while fighting the 3rrd, honestly did he really need to?
First we have the fact that Orochimaru was controlling their actions, which left their skill upto his own knowledge of their abilities , and secondly there's the whole "skill of edo tensei determines how much power they are brought back with (this is a retcon, but not the current topic)
Hiruzen wouldn't say the first was underpowered, because regardless against the two of them he was already being severely overpowered. At hiruzen's age, combined with facing both tobirama and hashirama, why would Hashirama need to use even a fraction of his full power?
Also, concerning the comment about land changing monster techniques.... Since the naruto vs Sasuke fight it was said that the valley of the end was a fight so monstrous that it split the land in two
I don't see Hasihirama as being too overpowered because of the Gojuu Rashomon technique. Using it as a measuring stick, yes he's stronger than oro who only summoned 3, but it's not like he summoned 20.
Yes the thousand hands technique is hugeeee, and probably devastating, but not to an extent that retcons hashirama's strength, since he was also state to have built all of konoha with his mokuton. Size isn't everything, since the kyuubi0-susanoo probably destroys most of 1000 hands, despite the size
|2013-02-21, 00:22
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Join Date: Nov 2007
it was argued here a while back that Senju and senjutsu were not synonymous. is this still the case?
also i think whatever this deity is that hashirama has summoned, the juubi is kin to it
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|2013-02-21, 00:27
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Location is all relative.
You know, you could make the argument that back during Orochimaru's invasion, he was the one controlling the 2 Hokage. Thus their abilities were limited to what Orochimaru himself knew them to be capable of. Since their personalities are intact right now, it is entirely possible they obtained their full power. There are also translations of the previous chapter where Tobirama (Niidaime) claims Orochimaru improved on Edo Tensei since last time so there is that.
To be honest, this is starting to smell all too perfect for a set-up. Come on, you can't tell me that you don't see the Hokage breaking free, then joining the Alliance to go and wreck Madara's day.
Though, I am honestly not that impressed with how we're getting a flashback only to go to an even further flashback. Would it not have been better to start when they were kids and then slowly build up their fight? Eh, oh well. I suppose I can't complain if it keeps Sasuke's mouth from flapping for a while. And I don't mean that as an offense to any of his fans. I'd just have much rather seen the war end with the Alliance first and then lead into this new development. Have the Alliance all weak and weary, only to encounter another threat on their way home.
|2013-02-21, 08:50
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Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: NL
Any way Deidara taking down a Jinchuuriki can also be seen as using smart tactics. We've hardly seen any of the Jinchuuriki Akatsuki fights so we can only speculate. But besides that most people under Akatsuki are Kage level fighters, so them being that strong isn't that weird. Also their abilities were hardly documented making any surprise attack pretty devastating.
However about the current Naruto being so grossly underpowered compared to Hashirama and Madara (flashback versions) is just retarded. Where do they get the chakra from? The chakra the beasts have was a supposed balancing thing with the rest of the world. Yet here's a kid who controls the strongest of those beasts (yes at half the power) outmatched by people who lived almost a hundred years ago without them.
The same kid that basically ended half of the 4th ninja war on his own with just his clones. That's a ridiculous power gap and I personally consider it a huge decrease in story telling. I still want to know how the story ends just because I've been following it for such a long time. It's just annoys me that these super OP characters are continuously being introduced which only leads to the main character having yet another huge power boost. An unneeded power boost since he can already solo the world on his own.
Besides Sasuke was supposed to be a threat.... the hell he can ever be 1 after all these ridiculous power jumps. There was zero point in him having the EMS since he has already been dwarfed by Madara before he get's to show it.
And I can enjoy a story with massive attacks using loads of power that decimates the surrounding, but Naruto used to be a smarter manga, mixing tactics and big attacks and making it a proper match. Yet all of this has been thrown away to just use DBZ's the strongest is the one with the bigger stick "story" telling.
I know this has been an ongoing trend in Naruto for the last 100 or so chapters but doesn't mean I have to like it or make excuses for the author for why he's downgrading his own work.
|2013-02-21, 10:10
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i don't really have a problem with a super-powered hashirama, that's to be expected since madara is ridiculously powerful. if he were less powerful then the supposed rivalry between them would be BS. besides, i've stopped thinking of them as humans a long time ago. the ninja in naruto are not really ninja but saiyans.
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August 29, 1970
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Man Pop Festival (Winnipeg Arena)
Setlists during this tour include: Immigrant Song, Heartbreaker, Dazed and Confused, Bring It On Home, That's Way, Bron-Yr-Aur, Since I've Been Loving You, Organ solo / Thank You, What Is and What Should Never Be, Moby Dick, Whole Lotta Love (medley), Communication Breakdown.
The venue is moved to the indoor Winnipeg Arena due to rain. Some of Zep's equipment does not arrive in Winnipeg and they use gear borrowed from other bands on the bill. The Guess Who's Randy Bachman loans Jimmy Page his Les Paul for the show, (the one used on "American Woman" according to Bachman).
PRESS REVIEW: It was well past midnight Sunday when Zeppelin took the stage. Despite the limitations of the PA system muddying their overall sound and a lack of suitable concert lighting for atmosphere, they played a loose, stoned set with extended guitar solos by Jimmy Page.
"It was obvious they were really enjoying themselves, and they played forever," recalls Bruce Rathbone (local promoter/journalist). "You could tell they were all loaded, but who wasn't?"
While not their finest moment musically, it was certainly among the band's best-received sets ever. One concertgoer insists singer Robert Plant altered the lyrics in Dazed and Confused from "Tried to love you baby/but you pushed me away" to "Saved all my money/gonna buy me a new PA." It had been a very long day, and some in the crowd fell asleep during the band's set.
Led Zeppelin finally walked off the stage at around 3 a.m., leaving the audience both exhausted and satisfied.
Interviewed shortly afterwards back at their hotel, Plant admitted, "It was hard to get into it because of the sound, and the building we were in wasn't too hot on the acoustics, wasit?" Added bass player John Paul Jones, "I think you lot did a pretty good job, what with all your groups pitching in with all their equipment on such short notice. I feel sorry for the cats that lost all their sound system out there in the rain. Their insurance company is going to have a fit when they find out what happened." [WFP / 8/2015]
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The first thing Jimmy Page did was to call for some tea. "Please send tea for 25" he told the voice on the other end of the phone, there were five of us in the room, and John Bonham said "Well you never know when friends might drop in" in a slightly too posh English accent which sent the rest of the group into guffaws of laughter. High flying, blonde and beautiful lead vocalist, Robert Plant commented on the night's performance; "We're not exactly happy about what went down tonight, it was hard to really get into it because of the sound. Our music demands a great deal of equipment for one thing and the building we were in wasn't too hot on the old acoustics was it?" I had to agree with him.
John Paul Jones said, "It was just an unfortunate set of circumstances, we don't blame anybody for it, I think you lot did a pretty good job, what with all the groups pitching in with their equipment and your local sound people, with such short notice. I feel sorry for the cats that lost all their sound system out there in the rain. Their insurance company is going to have a fit when they find out what happened!"
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Our group ran for shelter to the arena when the thunderstorm hit. We noticed a zepplin ballon in the arena and people scurring around to erect a stage. Chairs were being layed out on the floor, so we shot down and grabbed front row seats. It was a long wait but well worth it. The Younbloods came on first and were a little dull. The Ides of March came on and did their hit song Vehicle and really got the place rocking with people standing on their chairs and set it up for Iron Butterfly and Zepplin. Despite the late hour both groups put on great show


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I just read your blog(s) and see that you switched to Russians. Can you tell me when you made the switch? Also were your bottom deeps covered with snow most of the winter. Being in Hudsonville you got a lot of lake effect snow this year. I am wondering if the deeper snow also helped moderate the hive temp during those windy -20F nights we had. My hives sit on two layers of cement block and don't get covered with snow. Not a problem in the past, but am wondering if it was a contributing factor this winter.
I don't remember exactly when we got our first Russian hybrids, I think it's been around 5 years now. They build up slower in the Spring than the Italians, but generally winter quite well.
I've got my hives setting on 4x4s, so the bottoms of the hives were definitely covered in snow. In my experience the mites are the biggest factor in overwintering. If you have high mite counts in the Fall, the odds are not going to be good regardless of the temperatures.
Same with me also and I don't understand where the bees went. No swarm cells or supercedure cells and no bees left. Last year I lost a couple hives to starvation and plenty of dead bees on the sbb's. Hives still had plenty of stores which I have frozen now to use later. Is this mites?No bugs no goo, no mess what so ever


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|Siglap Rd, 454999 Singapore, Singapore
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The room can accommodate 2 adults & 2 children, 7 years and older. (For 4 adults please book 2 rooms) This spacious room is ideal for a family. Please tell us about yourselves before making a booking.
The check - in time is 2.00 pm and the check - out is by 12.00 noon. We keep to these times for the convenience of all guests.
Our home is located 10 minutes by taxi from Changi International Airport and bus, train and taxi services are within easy reach. We are also about 20 minutes walk from the beach and the fabulous East Coast Park. Other recreational facilities include shopping malls, cinemas and eateries of every description literally round every corner. You can get to the city centre within 15 minutes and 'happening' Orchard Road in 20. But our home itself is in a green haven of peace and quiet.
We have three rooms for homestay guests. They are very large, air-conditioned double rooms with en-suite bathrooms. Our room rate is Singapore Dollars 140 per room night and includes breakfast.Breakfast is your choice: western, vegetarian or local, home cooked or at the market where Singaporeans eat and shop and which tourists and visitors rarely get to experience.
We serve breakfast from 8.30am to 10.00am. However, if you wish to sleep in – there's coffee and tea available when you wake up.
Stay with us and enjoy the hospitality that has become our hallmark.
***Do drop us a message via the Wimdu messaging system to tell us more about yourself before making a booking so that we can consider your needs. Unfortunately we do not accept children under 7 years as our house is designed with lots of stairs making it unsafe for young children. However please talk to us if you need accommodation for your children.
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Judith and Donald were very hospitable and welcoming. We arrived at 5.00am due to flight delay. They were up to greet us and gave us a warm welcome. The loveliest people. We had a short sleep and then we were presented with a hearty breakfast. Just friendly and homely.
Thanks Judith and Donald.
We stayed in Judith' and Donalds homestay for four nights and we were absolutely stunned by their amazing hospitality. They live in a big house in the middle of a safe and quiet area in Singapore. Our room was really spacious and clean. Also the breakfast every morning was great and they always provided a wide selection of different food. We also shared interesting conversations with Donald & Judith and both of them know a lot about Singapore. Thanks to them and their recommendations we could make great use of our four days in the city. To achieve the center of the city, you have to take the bus which leaves just opposite their house and the metro. It takes you about 20-25 minutes and public transport in Singapore is really easy to use. We can absolutely recommend this amazing homestay in this great city and Judith and Donalds affectionate hospitality! During a next trip to Singapore, we would always come back. Thank you a lot for this nice experience, Judith and Donald!
First of all thanks to Judith and Donald for those amazing days at their home. The house is just wow. The Siglap area is wonderful. The self made breakfast everyday was delicious and the tips where to go were perfect. We had the chance to discover Singapore from a whole new side.
Judith and Donald are really warm-hearted, caring and friendly people. We enjoyed sitting together in the evening talking. We really felt like home. When we come back to Singapore they will be our first choice.
The homestay at Judith and Donalds lovely house was an great experience.
The rooms are big, with aircon and fan and they are bright. The district is in a green belt of singapore and really easy accessible. Bus station 100 m away (bus every ten minutes till 12 pm) But the best of all are the hosts : Judith and Donald give us a very warm welcome. We got every morning a personally breakfast, always with fresh fruit. We asked for a typical rice soup and we got it : yummy ... What we liked very much was the way of their talking. Their speak is so warm, slow and gentle ! In comparison with them my wife and me felt, we are loudspeakers. We want try, to speak more slow and gentle like J&D, because its much more relaxing and gives us a good vibe !
We liked this homestay really very much and can recommend it 100%
All the best for you, Judith and Donald !
Judith and Donald were very considerate with our arriving and departure time - we could check in earlier and check out late. Our overall stay was very pleasant due to their cosy house and hospitality. With the help of their home maid, we were served a rich breakfast including fresh fruits which varied everyday. Judith and Donald are very helpful with tips for day trips and how to get around. We enjoyed their company at breakfast. They even invited us to their family Easter lunch, which we declined as we did not want to disturb an annual family get-together. Our room and bathroom was cleaned and tidied everyday. Towels and bed sheets were changed frequently. Going by public transport is convenient (bus stop a few steps outside the house). We would recommend this B&B to anyone who is looking for a great place to stay which is also more affordable than most hotels in Singapore, and feels like home. We wish them all the best and would love to come again!
At the end of our travel through Malaysia we returned to Singapore to stay at the Homestay. Ever again there was plenty of information and advice and tip's and tricks and all that stuff! You can't have it better! Just like friends at the other side of the world! Thanks a lot, Judith & Donald!
We arrived in Singapore on a hot day and received a hearty welcome with a cool drink. Judith and Donald are ever pleasant and tried everything to make it a real homestay to us! Thank you so much, Judith and Donald!
Beautiful house in a quit neighborhood. Bus stop almost in front of the house. Donald and Judy are very helpful with planning your trips. They give good tips. Breakfast every morning is a surprise. We had a very big room with comfy beds. Thank you so much for your hospitality.
We really enjoyed our stay at Judith and Donald.They are very lovely and helpful people - familiar atmosphere in Singapore. It was perfect to know locals with good insider-knowlegde. Furthermore, it was an absolutely great place to stay - really one of the best B & B, which we have known: Large rooms, comfortable beds and a very nice common room located in quite neighbourhood. But there are very good connection to the MRT (10 min. with bus). We'll be back!
We have just returned from four wonderful days with Judith and Donald. We loved hearing their tips and interesting insights about life in Singapore. They were extremely helpful and even took us out to a local market for breakfast and shopping! The other three mornings we were served a beautiful home-cooked breakfast. Judith and Donald's home is lovely, situated in a lovely neighbourhood close to great public transport. All in all, impossible to fault and we hope to be back very soon!
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Sk8fan4life - I actually was confirming what you said in dumb roundabout way. John Curry a VIP in the annals of Figure Skating.
Sk8fan4life - I actually was confirming what you said in dumb roundabout way. John Curry a VIP in the annals of Figure Skating.
Absolutely, Joe. John Curry was a VIP of the first order in the history of figure skating.
I've seen film clips of Peggy Fleming's 1966 World Championships long program - the year she won the first of her three World titles.
In my opinion, that long program was brilliant - a strong medley of technical skills and artistry. Peggy performed a move that no other woman was doing at that time - a spread eagle into a double axel into another spread eagle. It looks impossibly hard to do, but she pulled it off as if it was the easiest move in the world. Peggy was outstanding, and she established herself as the best woman skater in the world - a distinction she held for three glorious years.
I agree with what lots of folks have said: for me, a 'brilliant' program transcends the technique ~ it happens when the skater is so clearly taken over by the program that you just know you're watching something exquisite.
I'm a huge Kwan fan, so I'll just get this out of the way. I tried pick only a couple - I couldn't whittle it down to just one though.
MK: '98 Nats (both SP & LP), 2001 Worlds Qualifying round through LP!!, Nationals 2003 (both SP & LP). I have a very fond memory of Worlds 2003 for MK, but watching Nats and Worlds side-by-side, she was way better in Jan.
Rudy Galindo - Nats 1996 - whole thing, but esp LP
Chen Lu - Oly 1998 LP. At the end she cried - we did too!
Tanja Sczewzenko (I know I have mangled her name) - GP Final 1997-98 season. Her jumps were so amazingly high!
Tara Lipinski - Oly FP 1998. This is begrudging, as I ordinarily don't care for her skating, but she managed to beat MK, not just technically, but with her expression, at the most important time. I'm kinda surprised no one else has mentioned her!
Sarah Hughes - Oly FP 2002. Another skater who put it together at the right time, albeit it a very different way. Sarah was truly transformed on the ice that night. I don't think she would have won, even with the 2 3/3s, if it weren't for her being 'in the zone'.
Drobiasku & Vanegas {the Lithuanians, whose names I've also mangled} - Worlds 2001, Oly 2002 FD. I'm not a huge Ice Dance fan, and perhaps these were very flawed programs, as they didn't even medal either time, but I found both of these programs to be passionate without being over-the-top.
Sk8fan4life - Peggy had that flow over the ice which I'm always insisting on for all skaters. She took the style of Tenley Albright's balletic style and enhanced it further. Her tricks, as you described, were just part of the performance. She didn't shout them at the judges because she was too involved with the music. A truly great and memorable skater!
I agree. Case in Point. Alexei at the Hallmark event this past season. Injured & behind Micheael Weiss going into the LP. He skated to Overcome Like I haven't Seen before. He could not do his quads in the SP. Hence, his 2nd place going into the LP. Talk about intense & powerful. He was able to hold on & do a few triples. But, It was his SOUL that was out there.Originally posted by windspirit
Panther, I think you hit the nail on the head with this one.
Brilliant to me would be when a skater's "in the zone". That means, they're very good technically and artistically, of course, but there's something special about their performance that just lift you up from your seat, and takes your breath a-w-a-y. And for a moment you feel genuinely, blissfully happy. And it seems like they're happy like that, too -- and that comes from within them, but it's clear they also feed off the powerful energy of the audience.
Just two examples: Alexei's SP at 2001 Worlds and Michelle's LP at 2003 Nationals.
That Weekend He Did alot of skating ( 3 Pro/Am Events) In Canada(Not Skate Canada) But again, He Poured his heart out when trying to skate. He really cut back on the jumps but Put more into his performance part of it. If that is at all possible for him to do. & Everyone there loved him all the more for it.
I'd like to add a few competitive performances from the World Professional Championships.....
Janet Lynn -- "The Sound of Music". Granted, this music has been skated to a gazillion times, but with Janet, it's as if we're seeing a program performed to this music for the first time. She was stunning! Great flow, carriage, terrific jumps, and that magical quality that is/was hers alone. You can't teach the kind of quality that Janet Lynn had when she competed - it's a gift, and how fortunate we were to have seen her skate!
Robin Cousins -- "Satan Takes a Holiday". A superb program, full of high-flying jumps, spins, and outstanding toe-tap dancing. How Robin managed to jump up and click his two heels together and immediately proceed with the lightning-quick steps is beyond me. What talent! What energy! Bravo!
Dorothy Hamill - "One Rock 'n Roll Too Many". An energetic, very creative and entertaining program filled with stong jumps and innovative choregraphy. Dorothy wore a costume that, for her, was perhaps a little daring, but she looked gorgeous, and she skated like the great champion she is. Bravo, Dorothy!
I saw a highlight tape of the men's long programs from the 1956 Winter Olympics -- Hayes Jenkins skated a magnificent long program. Long, lean lines, very elegant, great jumps. Of course, his moves looked pretty simple compared with the triples and quads that the men are performing today - but Hayes was a skater's skater - neat and classic.
By the way, Hayes is the husband of 1960 Olympic champion Carol Heiss.
This isn't a competitive program but it is the only Rodnina and Zaitsev program I have seen.
Rodnina and Zaitsev: Kalinka. OMG lighting fast. their foot work sequence just zoomed down that ice. They were so fast and powerful.
Berezhnaya and Sikharulidze: Medi. One of all my all time favorites, and in my opinion one of the greatest figure skating pieces ever created. It has speed, difficult choreogaphy, it is just perfect.
Mishkutenok and Dmitriev: Rachmanioff Piano Concerto. THE program that made me go from just liking figure skating to Loving it. The spins were innovative and wonderful. The footwork at the end. It was filled with intricate choreography and so much emotion.
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I really liked Elaine Zayak's 1994 Nationals short and long programs. Granted, they did not feature the most difficult triples, and Elaine did not skate with the speed of the younger skaters.
But she landed her triples, and she proved that a 28-year-old woman can still be competitive against the teenagers.
Elaine finished fourth. Bravo!
You go, girl!! :D


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Original post made by Tom Cushing, Danville, on Jan 16, 2013
But there's this semi-solid we've stepped-in, again, and once it's on your shoe, it demands attention.
The now-familiar pungency of the debt-ceiling mess has returned in earnest. To review, Congress votes to authorize payment of Past government spending, when those invoices take the total national debt above a set threshold. That threshold has been raised 74 times since 1962, including 18 times under President Reagan.
The first 73 of those times were completely uncontroversial -- for better or worse, We-the-People had incurred those debts; all that this vote meant was that we, via the federal government -- would continue to be good for them. To personalize the situation, remember that stupid boat you bought, or the time-share you never used? You still had to pay for them, even as you resolved to spend smarter in the future. Well, it's a lot like that here: invading that country might not have been the best idea, in retrospect, but when the trillion-dollar bills for it come due, they must be paid. Past bills you pay; future bills you may choose to avoid. To renounce those past bills would not make us Greece, but far worse: the Greeks, at least, are not dead-beat debtors.
The 74th ceiling increase authorization was in 2011, you may recall, and it was astonishing in its absurdist theatre. The House, led by Tea Party insurgents, demanded Future spending cuts in return for their acquiescence in paying our Past obligations, many of which, of course, they themselves had voted-for. Intrinsically meaningless, the "crisis" set the stage for the "fiscal cliff" calamity just witnessed, it cost $2 Billion in higher near-term borrowing costs (a non-partisan GAO number) and is projected to cost $20B by the time its effects work their way entirely through the system. All that unnecessary expense -- in the name of lowering the cost burden of the federal government? Congrats, gents and ladies.
So, since even flatworms learn from pain, surely we won't repeat such tomfoolery. Except that we are back, precisely where we were, with the GOP curiously demanding Future spending cuts in return for their agreement to allow us to pay our Past bills. They are again holding the full faith and credit of the United States hostage to their demands -- which is tantamount to holding a gun to their own heads. (Trigger, please?)
The President has said, sensibly, that the decision of whether to pay our Past bills is distinct from what we will choose to spend Next Year, and the outcome ought to be clear -- of course we should pay our bills. Everybody in Congress voted for something in the Past spending now due. Further, he has chosen the tack of attempting to shame The Shameless, saying this week that he will not ransom the nation's credit rating; rather that he expects the Congress to do the right thing, or face the wrath of We-the-People in 2014.
I think there's risk in that tack, as the Congressional districts have been gerrymandered to the point of being remarkably safe for incumbents, regardless of their sanity (Cf. Bachmann, Michele). Much of the heartland is as red as the coasts are blue, and it's not clear to me that there will be a tide in 2014 that sweeps out the recalcitrants. Expecting statesperson-like behavior from a group that has never so much as won a seat at the adult table is to court severe disappointment, and another gridlock. I fear this tack leads to the falls.
Put a kinder, gentler way, I think the Tea'd-up Republicans believe they were sent to Congress to upset the status quo; to borrow a phrase from strange bedfellow Malcolm X: "by any means necessary." If those means include taking every advantage, and making every element of the nation's economic life more austere, while holding center stage on its dog-with-a-bone issue, then those are good things that will eventually wean us away from the deficit-spending habit. If their heels are dug-in, we may be headed for another credit downgrade, and even a government shut-down before somebody blinks.
That means that social security checks, veterans' benefits, unemployment comp and food relief for the 20 million Americans who remain without work, and everything else the feds spend money on will be delayed. Millions of our fellow citizens will suffer in colder, hungrier circumstances. Will any of them think that's worth it, to make a point? If it comes to a government shutdown, I know precisely whose paychecks I want held-up first.
Of course, on a macro scale, a protracted stand-off also portends problems for the fragile recovery that so far continues a-shaky-pace. It is funded, in part, by government spending that makes-up for tepid private sector demand. If, indeed, the feds have to hold back or cancel spending for want of authority to undertake it, lay-offs will resume, and the ship of state will slide back toward recession. Will that be worth it, to make a point?
If the President is to succeed with his "let's be adults and do the nation's business" strategy, he will have to stay Way out in-front on this issue, maintaining its framing as above, and not allowing Messrs. McConnell and Boehner to conflate Past spending we owe and Future spending we don't owe in the public perception as they are busily trying to do. If it again descends into a mud bath, well, as my Mama used to say, "Son, never get in a fight with a pig. You'll both get equally dirty, and the pig is having fun."
I hate to write this, but I think we're in for a stupidly bumpy ride...again. If the flatworms ever organize a political party, I'm in.
a resident of Alamo
on Jan 17, 2013 at 7:11 am
Carp -- the DX syntax doesn't like "number signs," apparently, as it deleted them from paragraph one, along with the number of each EO referred-to.
In case anyone is keeping score at home, No. 8802 desegregated the defense plants, No. 9066 authorized internment and No. 10340 nationalized the steel industry, very temporarily, as it turned-out (the case of Youngstown Sheet & Tube v. Sawyer overturned it in short-order).
a resident of Danville
on Jan 17, 2013 at 11:36 am
It's worth repeating (or recalling) that in the vast majority of cases, proposed spending cuts by Republicans (even the most "draconian" ones) aren't even true spending cuts. Instead they are reductions in budgeted spending increases. If we merely froze discretionary spending (ignoring for the moment social security and medicare), we could grow ourselves into lower annual deficits over time. But this is apparently too radical of an idea.
Obviously it is impossible to ignore social security and medicare, but the solutions to those programs are more complex than a simple spending freeze. (And also more subject to reasoned debate.)
Many libs are fond of pointing out that previous Republican presidents have had large annual deficits during their terms (especially the dreaded Ronald Reagan and even-more dreaded George W. Bush). But even in the fantasy world of politics, annual deficits that exceed $1 trillion ($1,000 billion), such as has happened in each of the past four years, are demonstrably worse than $500 million annual deficits, which was about as bad as it got under Bush (roughly speaking, twice as bad....).
The CA situation in the wake of the Prop 30 tax increase is illuminating. If the optimistic projections for increased tax revenue prove true, yes, we will come close to having a balanced budget over the next two years. (Jerry Brown says we actually WILL have a balanced budget next year, but has pulled some accounting tricks and deferred some things to make this "happen".) But what doesn't get much mention is that state spending is projected to increase by 22% over the next two years!
Basically, when tax revenues are down, we incur large debts. When tax revenues are up, we decide that this will continue forever, and spend every penny. Then we wonder "what happened?" when the next drop of revenue occurs (not just due to the next economic downturn, but due to the fact that the Prop 30 tax increases go away after 4 years). Under what dream-world rationale are we deciding to spend 22% more in 2014, than we spent in 2012? And this is before a super-majority of Dems in the state legislature, with no restraints, decides to go after a bunch of new pet projects and programs....
Reducing spending (which is really just limiting the increases) IS essential (at both the federal and state level). And to the extent that the debt ceiling provides a bit of leverage to achieve federal spending cuts, I applaud the effort. For ALL of our sakes, especially for the sake of our children and their children, who don't deserve to be saddled with the massive debt that the current generation of politicians is peddling.
a resident of Danville
on Jan 17, 2013 at 11:49 am
Added comment on my post above. Yes, I know I was mixing CA state-level issues with the federal debt ceiling. It was just as an example of a lack of fiscal responsibility, that seems relevant.
At the federal level, one of the points I was trying to make is that merely freezing discretionary spending would accomplish a significant amount of deficit reduction, independent of doing anything with respect to Social Security and Medicare.
If I were president (or "king"), I'd go deeper than that, and my "starting point" for negotiations would be across-the-board cuts of 1% annually in discretionary spending. Spending more than this slowly-declining discretionary budget level in any particular area would require an offsetting additional cut in another area. This would include the military. THEN we can have the debate about what's more important.
Does anyone really think that a 1% cut (2013 versus 2012) in real spending would be "the end of the world as we know it"? You could find this much waste in ANY federal government function just by throwing darts. BTW - this was the gist of the Connie Mack "penny plan".
But even the most aggressive spending "cuts" that are currently being proposed don't even come close to cutting as much. That's how bogus the "we can't cut that!" claims are.
a resident of Danville
on Jan 17, 2013 at 11:03 pm
Stop entitlements! Now we have large numbers of people coming in on "refugee" status. They can even bring in relatives with special needs who are given a gov check! Then the parent of the special needs kid gets another gov check to "take care" of the relative!!! I know of such a family from Eastern Europe who are now buying a house! Ah....free money...ain't it wonderful? Wake up people!!!
a resident of Alamo
on Jan 19, 2013 at 8:08 am
Hi CRM: thanks for commenting.
On your deficits comment, I would separate the Reagan and Bush deficits completely. The former, driven by dramatically increased defense spending, helped pull the country out of a nagging, if mild recession (by today's standards). It also contributed to the USSR's throwing-in the towel on the Cold War -- pretty good return on that investment!
Bush2's deficits, however, were of the kind you deplore in your second-to-last paragraph -- they were incurred in good economic times and made no sense, especially when you are fighting, but not paying-for, one or two $1T/year foreign wars. Those deficits were both over-spending and tax-cut-based, and doubled the national debt from its previous level.
Obama's deficits Have been twice as big, but, like Reagan's, they are designed, intended, and widely credited with supplying both relief and demand that is pulling the economy out of the catastrophic recession he inherited. A "Hoover Solution" applied in 2008 would, in my view, have tipped the world economy into a severe Depression, and you and I might've been in those soup-lines.
I agree with you that the problem with Keynesian solutions is Not that they don't work on the downside -- they do -- but that we forget to pull money back out on the upside to pay-off those deficits -- every time. We can't let that happen this time -- and still I'd argue that it's too soon to dial back. I'd like to see another year of recovery to be certain that it has truly taken root -- AND most importantly, put some of our 20-million fellow citizens who are still out-of-work back into gainful, prideful, contributing employment.
I'll be accused of only lip-service concern for The Debt, but I think it's a problem -- a big problem that should color everything we do, but only a problem. Jobs remains the number one concern and it remains a crisis, in my view. I think we're insulated from it here in our valley and region, and that's one more blessing we ought to count on a daily basis.
The "1% solution" idea has a certain charm, but it's a frustrated substitute for judgment, because it's based on the proposition that all departments are managed equally well -- or badly. I'm guessing you've run enough commerce to know that that's just never the case -- some managers add value and others squander it. House-clean, by all means -- but isn't it better to KAATN where they ought to be kicked?
a resident of Danville
on Jan 22, 2013 at 1:32 pm
Tom -
You mention Bush's spending on two wars as driving the deficit budgets during his time in office (and, I would argue, still contributing to current deficits through increase carrying costs of debt incurred then, and through care for our veterans, which will continue for years). True.
But, we can't overlook the huge contribution to the budget deficits in those years from the Bush tax cuts, which largely benefited the wealthy and which represented a massive transfer of wealth from the poor and middle class to the wealthy.
a resident of Danville
on Jan 22, 2013 at 4:40 pm
A tax cut for the rich is not a "transfer of wealth" from the poor to the rich.
Money belongs to the people who earn it.
Perhaps you're confusing America with another country where everyone owns wealth collectively.
a resident of Danville
on Jan 23, 2013 at 12:54 pm
Shifting the burden of who pays the taxes required to operate our government (including the costs of ill-advised wars) is the same as a transfer of wealth from one group of people to another. Some people get to keep more of their earnings; others keep less. Basic economics, spcwt. I'm sure you studied a little economics before pursuing your law studies and tax law practice.
a resident of Danville
on Jan 23, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Your argument might make sense if there had been a dramatic rise in taxes paid by the poor and middle class. But taxes on the poor and middle class are the lowest they've been in decades. Web Link
Meanwhile, the poor and middle class continue to receive way more financial benefits than they pay into the system. For example, the average retiree today collects more than $100,000 in Medicare benefits than they pay into the system. Web Link
It's the poor and middle class who enjoy the great transfer of wealth. They're getting a free lunch, complements of taxes paid by the rich and federal borrowing. They're not paying near enough taxes to account for all the financial benefits they receive.
And the rich are paying a lot of taxes. As an example, you saw Phil Mickelson, the golfer, say this week that he's paying a 63% combined federal & state tax rate on his golf earnings. Web Link
And why do you keep bringing up those stupid wars? You know I was against those.
a resident of Alamo
on Jan 24, 2013 at 4:41 pm
It should always be remembered that ol' S-P makes his living making impossible arguments seem plausible, and he uses this forum to keep his mental skills sharp.
There is simply no doubt that since the 1980s, American worker productivity has continued to rise steadily, and yet median family income has fallen-off that steady slope and stagnated. Check-out this graph: Web Link
So, where did all the pay-off for all that increased productivity go?
According to the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities, in 2007, the share of after-tax income going to the top 1 percent hit its highest level (17.1 percent) since 1979, while the share going to the middle one-fifth of Americans shrank to its lowest level during this period (14.1 percent).
Between 1979 and 2007, average after-tax incomes for the top 1 percent rose by 281 percent after adjusting for inflation — an increase in income of $973,100 per household — compared to increases of 25 percent ($11,200 per household) for the middle fifth of households and 16 percent ($2,400 per household) for the bottom fifth.
Two-hundred and eighty-one percent. Inflation adjusted. Versus 25% over that same 27 years.
As Mark Twain said: "Figures don't lie ..."
The real problem with this is, of course, that it's not sustainable -- unless the MC regains some of its former buying power, it just won't be able to buy all that Chevron gasoline, and everything else. Of course, the 1% will still have that accumulated wealth back on which to fall, and taxed at an average of 17% of into the indefinite future.
a resident of Danville
on Jan 25, 2013 at 8:48 am
Aren't you conflating increased productivity with the creation of wealth?
Shouldn't you instead look at how U.S. GDP is divided up?
Isn't the dramatic increase in wealth of the 1% largely due to their participation in GDP growth of foreign countries rather than the 1% claiming a larger slice U.S. GDP?
Why should American workers deserve a slice of the wealth generated from products made overseas, sold in foreign markets to foreign customers, protected by foreign laws, delivered to market by foreign infrastructure?
Since 1980, haven't U.S. wages largely kept pace with U.S. GDP?
a resident of Alamo
on Jan 25, 2013 at 10:26 am
Looks to me like it fell from a high of 54% in 1970 to 43% now -- that's a pretty big drop and far from staying even ... Web Link.
Anyway, I want credit for making the GOP back-off, at least a little, and decide to use the debt limit much less suicidally. Your capital gains income should thank me. ;-)
a resident of Danville
on Jan 25, 2013 at 3:46 pm
Yes, good thing the GOP listened to you. See how important your blog is to the fate of humanity?!!
Your chart shows that from the end of the recession of 1980 until the recession of 2007, wages as a percentage of GDP remained around 46% - 47%. So, basically, for the past 30 years, the amount of U.S. GDP allocated to labor has remained constant. Rich people aren't taking money from the poor Americans! They're creating wealth by expanding into foreign markets, helping create wealth there, new customers, selling to hundreds of millions of new middle class folks in China, India, and Brazil, etc.
Obviously, that's not good enough. We need better paying jobs here and a better educated workforce. There is a lot of work to do. But we can't wish globalization away or pretend it's still 1950 when the U.S. labor force was young and was the only major economy unscathed by war. Those were blessed times, unique in world history.
Also, according to the OECD, one of the main reasons average household income isn't higher is due to the dramatic rise in single family households. People are choosing to divorce or never to marry. Those choices result in increased poverty. That's something people can fix by altering their personal choices and lifestyles.


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you're both nuts
we need young beast O-Linemen (Tackle and Guard for the left side) and a Corner to replace Webster and/ or possibly TT...
then a LB, Powerback and maybe a TE if we see Bennett walk, which would be incredibly dumb if it happened.
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as a former Tailback/ I-Back all I can say is you ain't **** without a O-Line.
I believe in them, they are the backbone, same with the D-Line...as much as we love sexy, skill-position Picks or Acqusitions, we all know that we need big nasty Bart Oates, Bob Kratch, Jumbo Elliot, Shaun O'Hara, Diehl, Kareem in their hey-day-type Linemen.
Break your face. eat your puppies type linemen...
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What is an "instructional coach?" and why is PUSD funding instructional coaches rather than real teachers?
Original post made by Boondoggle, Another Pleasanton neighborhood, on Feb 14, 2013
It used to be that every time a buddy of a superintendent or administrator "retired," the "retired" person somehow magically ended up on the PUSD payroll as an "instructional coach" or as an independent contractor somehow affiliated with the PUSD Tri-Valley Teacher Induction Program Web Link without even the knowledge of the school board.
This is also where ex assistant superintendents wind up. Basically they show up in finance reports under Object 5880 or 5881 as Consultants in the General Fund.
Why doesn't PUSD hire people qualified for administrative positions? Why do they need "coaches?" Does PUSD just hire people based on who they know and not what they know?
Retired administrators end up as a "coach" for principals and assistant principals.
Retired teachers end up as a "coach" for teachers.
It would be nice if the Pleasanton Weekly would do some digging on this, and publish information on it. The Board is probably in the dark about this.
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a resident of Vintage Hills
on Feb 14, 2013 at 10:58 pm
I used my current favorite search engine (Bing), and found:
Web Link
It seems that the new superintendent is using the coaches to teach teachers to teach lower performing students and non-English speakers. It seems to me that the new superintendent is focusing on these students at the expense of all the rest. Does anyone else agree? I'm surprised people aren't saying more about this, given the general hostility toward the district that I read on these forums.
a resident of Carlton Oaks
on Feb 15, 2013 at 7:47 am
As part of No Child Left Behind, the district is required to bring low-performing groups up to proficiency.
See: Web Link
Since teachers are the ones that need to get their students to proficiency, it makes sense to me that training/coaching/professional development for teachers would be beneficial. Of course, the training has to be good and not just perpetuate what's already not working.
a resident of another community
on Feb 15, 2013 at 8:52 am
The website that I was taking too was for the Tri Valley Teacher Induction Program. All newly credentialed teachers in the state of California have to go through this program (BTSA- Beginning Teacher Support and Assessment Program). This use to be a college program until SB 2042 came into play, which basically embeds certain aspects of teaching into their credential. I.E. they are qualified to teach ESL students. The coaches that teachers get isn't up to their control. They are usually placed, and sometimes can request a coach if they know someone.
I have been through it, and let me say this- it is boring and a waste of time. At the end of a regular credential program, students have to complete projects, or tasks. These tasks are then graded by the CTC, and all have to do with ESL students, students that are exceptional (the term they use for special ed students etc.) The BTSA program is good for building a network of connections, but other than that, it's like a teaching credential program 2.0.
O I think I forgot above. If a new teacher doesn't go through this program within 5 years, they Preliminary Credential can expire and they therefore can't teach anymore (unless if he/she tries to renew their preliminary credential.) After completion of the BTSA program, the credential becomes "clear".
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 15, 2013 at 9:12 am
So what type of instructional 'coaching' did Clem Donaldson do for the many years he was on the payroll as a consultant after he 'retired?'
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Feb 15, 2013 at 9:15 am
Clem Donaldson was the biggest waste of PUSD money EVER!!! He was hired as Casey's friend with no value to the district.
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Feb 15, 2013 at 9:45 am
Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.
Diana, I didn't work with Clem, but he wasn't the biggest waste. The next name you mention, however . . . . we are still living with the damage he caused, in people and money.
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 15, 2013 at 10:51 am
Kathleen, hard as it may seem, Clem was worse. Actually he was not a waste but his mission was to screw the taxpayers out of as much as possible for himself and his friends. After he had the plan, the superintendent approved it because they were great friends and they both benefited. He learned out how to spike salaries for retirement and after his retirement, the superintendent hired him as a consultant to teach other district administrators in how to take advantage of the system. If you looked at Clem's last year of employment, he had $25,745 in "Other" income to spike his pension. After retirement he was hired by the superintendent to teach other administrators in how to do the same thing. Just look at the CalSTRS $100K club and you can see who all the graduates of his program were.
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 15, 2013 at 10:59 am
Ahmadi is adopting the Clem Donaldson "instructional coach" farce that Donaldson himself created.
Here is the gag worthy Pleasanton Weekly article on Donaldson's supposed 'departure.' Web Link
Note the quote: "He also brought to us the idea of coaching, so that new teachers and administrators have a coach to work with during their first two years."
Donaldson actually never retired. He was hired immediately as an independent consultant, along with all his buddies who were also "retiring", to supposedly "coach" people.
Except the "coaching" was not about the kids, but it was about how to max out pensions.
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Feb 15, 2013 at 11:29 am
Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.
Coaching is used in other districts; I have seen the value. That said, you have to have the money for it, and PUSD does not.
Sorry, but the commitments under which you will find Casey included the bond refinancings, the unsustainable raises to the salary schedule for three years straight, the signing of three-year contracts for administrators, borrowing from every fund in sight, and locking the new superintendent's hands. There is likely much more, and we and students will pay for many years to come.
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Feb 15, 2013 at 11:29 am
Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.
Oh, and two very arrogant law suits the district lost to Signature.
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 15, 2013 at 2:49 pm
On the lawsuits, one of the board members during that whole time was Pat Kernan. He is an attorney and also got us in that problem by guaranteeing they had an air-tight case against Signature and belittling anybody at the city that tried to question any part of their agreement. Not sure if the public knows this but the current superintendent has hired Pat Kernan to be a lawyer for the district. He is currently doing legal work for the district. When will the district ever learn?
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Feb 15, 2013 at 2:51 pm
I will concede that Casey wins if we are taking about most destructive to Pleasanton. But if the bar is biggest waste I still say Donaldson wins.
If we are going to talk about Signature and arrogance that is a different game. Signature still has not paid school fees for 28 homes because of a back-room deal made by Buster McCurtain. The public was told there was a letter of explanation that would not be released but is locked in the safe. If there was justice they would have lost the law suit but they had better lawyers
Did we ever hear about the outcome of suing the lawyers for malpractice? I may have heard that PUSD won a settlement that only paid for the lawyers. I would like to know the details of that one.
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Feb 15, 2013 at 4:11 pm
I'd like to suggest coaches be hired to teach district employees that their value is a function of their contribution to the district rather than their pockets.
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 15, 2013 at 8:03 pm
I second Mike's idea!
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 18, 2013 at 9:51 am
You let third-world immigrants flock into the country, you eventually become a third-world country. Calfornia is leading the way. Comparing California in in the 2010's to California in the 1960's makes me want to puke. We used to be the most robust state in the nation, now we are the laughing stock of the nation. However, they won't be laughing to long, as the nation is whole nation is headed toward bankruptcy in our journey to third-world status.
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Feb 19, 2013 at 9:57 pm
And I would like to suggest that the district hire parent coaches because some in Pleasanton are whack jobs.
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Feb 20, 2013 at 7:54 am
Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.
Parent coaches are not necessary; all you need are staff/administrators who will listen and act on the concerns being raised. Even an unreasonable of parents is looking for a solution for their child. There is usually at least one grain of truth in the concern/complaint. If it gets addressed, you create an advocate.
a resident of Amador Estates
on Feb 21, 2013 at 8:49 pm
Kathleen, you are incredibly wrong and have obviously not spend quality time in our schools. For the most part, parents want their child to sucede. BUT the few parents who do not care tend to raise children who are the problem. And this is the difficulty of the education system - they can only do so much and if the parents won't buy in, that's it. Game over.
My son was harassed by another boy in 1st grade. The school did an amazing job and took care of the situation. When the parents were told their child needed therapy, they declined and said it was because he was a boy. Parents failed, not the school.
There is not one grain of truth in every concern/complaint has a grain of truth. Have you ever sat in on a meeting with a parent who is drunk and claims their child is the victim of bad teachers? Have you ever sat in on a meeting where the parent smiles while they are told by the teachers that their student is depressed and needs therapy? Have you ever sat in a meeting where the parents are divorced, yell in front of their child what incredibly losers the other is, and then blame the teachers because the child is failing? No, you have not. Hence, you have no clue what you are talking about.
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 21, 2013 at 9:45 pm
Whoever is "Kathleen, you do not know" - sounds like you are an attendee at interesting meetings at PUSD. Also the word is "succeed," not "sucede."
If teachers at PUSD are telling parents their child needs therapy and are depressed, they are completely out of line. Or if you are a parent telling another parent their 1st grader needs 'therapy,' then you are out of line. Teachers are not mental health professionals, nor are they capable of diagnosing mental health issues, nor are they qualified to determine who should or should not receive various types of 'therapy.'
But back to the original thread...
I don't understand why PUSD is re-implementing the Clem Donaldson created 'revolving door' approach for so-called coaches.
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Feb 21, 2013 at 10:03 pm
Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.
"Wrong," I didn't say there aren't great teachers and administrators who resolve issues quickly and with great care. And now you are an advocate, and that's wonderful. I didn't say there aren't parents who don't follow sound advice; and that's unfortunate. But there are parents I know personally who are not having the same experience you did. And I talked to many parents over the years who called the superintendent's office completely frustrated at their inability to get issues resolved at the site level.
I've worked with many amazing, talented, and dedicated people; and thankfully, they are in the majority. But the less positive stories fall on both sides of the line.
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 21, 2013 at 10:25 pm
Nice post, Kathleen. Have you notice that whenever there are threads critical of the PUSD, there seem to be posts calling parents names and saying they are drunk and saying the parents are the failures?
Of course, the parents aren't the ones that stole $8 or $9 million of taxpayer money on cash - out refunding and won't tell the public what happened to it.
By the way, someone pointed out to me today an article called "Bad Superintendent" about a scandal in New York with $8 million missing that was featured in New York Magazine. Here is the article Web Link
This sure sounds familiar:
' "You're not going to find many superintendents who live like Frank, because we're afraid to," another Long Island school superintendent says. "You don't want to appear overpaid. He lived the opposite way. He acted as if he was entitled to it—to the car, to the clothes, to the money."
During working lunches, Tassone would go on about how the school district should act like any private corporation with an $80 million budget. "He thought the salaries of administrators should be as high as possible," says Piemonte. "That these jobs had a great deal of subtlety and required education. He'd say, 'Look at the CEO of IBM—they're making zillions and we're making $200,000.' " '
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 21, 2013 at 10:54 pm
"Parent coaches are not necessary; all you need are staff/administrators who will listen and act on the concerns being raised. Even an unreasonable of parents is looking for a solution for their child. There is usually at least one grain of truth in the concern/complaint. If it gets addressed, you create an advocate."
And because of that single grain, and its exactly equal on both sides, I don't want more of my tax dollars being spent. Truly. I mean really, truly.
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Feb 21, 2013 at 11:33 pm
Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.
Christine, you really have to find something else to talk about. My position on how I would support a local parcel tax is clear and doesn't need to be rewritten every time you decide to post. Everyone is paying more via Prop 30--money that most likely won't reach Pleasanton. You would need to write the Governor about that.
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Central Flat with Sunny Terrace
Número máximo de hóspedes6
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|Cisneros, 46003 Valencia, Espanha
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The flat consists of two bedrooms, one with a double bed (1.60 x 2.00 m) and one with two single beds, a living room, a bathroom and a kitchen. The sofa in the living room can be transformed into another double bed. Furthermore, we can provide a small cot for babies. Both bedrooms have a ventilator in the ceiling.
The kitchen is well equipped with all basics, a Nespresso coffee maker, toaster, water-cooker and all big electrical devices. The flat has a good WIFI connection and air-conditioning. Towels and bedclothes are available.
The location of the flat is very comfortable, all main sites are within walking distance. There are many great restaurants within a radius of 10 minutes walking (I provide a small booklet with the best restaurants in the sourroundings). The party area is also right around the corner. The central market is only 10 minutes walking and the big park of Valencia, the dry Turia river, is only 5 minutes away.
One of the main conecting street lies very close and taxis to the airport can easily reach the flat. The train station is also easily reached in 20 minutes walk or 7 minutes in Taxi.
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The appartment is on a good quiet place in the middle of the city. With everything nearby.
We did sleep very well with open windows.
In the appartment was everything we needed. Perfect!
The balcony also was very good, we could sit in the sun outside.
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The appartment itself is really nice. It's in the centre of Valencia and has all you need for a short or longer stay. Even a washingmachine!
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Dovessimo tornare (probabile....) a Valencia sicuramente prenoteremo nuovamente da Meike!!!
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Researchers at The University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston (UTHealth) have found that up to 30 percent of minority youths reported sending or receiving "sexts," which are sexually explicit messages sent through technology including photos, videos and text-only messages.
"Although sexting is relatively common among youth and there has been a lot of attention about sexting in the media, there hasn't been much about sexting among ethnic minority youth," said lead investigator Melissa Fleschler Peskin, Ph.D., assistant professor of behavioral science and epidemiology at The University of Texas School of Public Health, part of UTHealth.
The study was published in a recent online issue of Cyberpsychology, Behavior, and Social Networking. Peskin and colleagues analyzed information collected from more than 1,000 tenth graders from a large, urban school district in southeast Texas who took self-interview surveys on computers.
According to the report, more than 20 percent of students reported sending nude or semi-nude pictures or videos or sexually explicit text messages. More than 30 percent of participants reported receiving a sext. Half of the students who participated in sexting behaviors reported sending and receiving sexually suggestive text-only messages and nude or semi-nude photos. Researchers believe this overlap in sexting behavior has not been previously reported.
Black males and females were more likely than Hispanic males to participate in some sexting behaviors. Hispanic females reported the lowest rates of sexting.
Additionally, almost 10 percent of participants said they had sent a sext to an unintended recipient, and 20 percent reported having a sext shared with them.
"The first step we try to do with any new trend when there is a potential issue or health concern is to understand the extent and prevalence of the issue so we can understand whether a population, in this case one that has not previously been studied, is also engaging in the behavior," Peskin said. "Now that we understand more about the extent of the issue, we can then go to the next step, which is to determine what potential negative, or positive, outcomes are associated with the behavior."
Peskin believes more studies are needed to determine if sexting impacts other behaviors and health outcomes among youth.
Senior author was Susan Tortolero, Ph.D., director of the Center for Health Promotion & Prevention Research at the UT School of Public Health. Other UTHealth authors included Christine Markham, Ph.D., Robert Addy, Ph.D., Ross Shegog, Ph.D. and Melanie Thiel, M.P.H. The study was funded by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) (5U48DP000057) and Adolescent Family Life (90XF0036).
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Baby's Alleged Father Facing Attempted Murder Charges After Attacking Pregnant Woman at Redding River Trail
REDDING, Calif. - Three suspects, including the baby's alleged father, are facing attempted murder charges after attacking a pregnant woman in June.
It happened on the Sacramento River Trail near the Sundial Bridge in Redding.
29 year old Erica Swann claimed she was one of victims in the attack against two women. Officers now say she was involved in the plot to rob 18 year old Nicole Vultaggio, who was 8 months pregnant at the time.
The baby's father, 20 year old Lance Swann has also been arrested. He is an Anderson High School graduate and Erica's cousin.
The third suspect is 20 year old Jeffery Thomas Walton of Ventura. Walton and Lance Swann are both serving in the United States Marine Corps.
We caught up with Vultaggio Friday afternoon to see how she felt about the arrests. She told us she was going to a community college in the San Diego area while she was dating Lance Swann.
When she found out she was pregnant, he told her he didn't want to keep the baby.
Vultaggio says when she told him she was going to, he told her he didn't want anything to do with them. That's when they decided to go their separate ways and she decided to move back to the Northstate.
It was months before she heard from Lance Swann again. "I expected to never hear from him again, but he told me that his family wanted to be involved and Erica played it off like she wanted to be involved in Edan's life, so I was like you know, I can't take that away from Edan. Obviously, it was in a different way. They wanted to be involved to hurt him, not to actually care about him," she told us.
Vultaggio says the night of the attack, Erica Swann reached out to her and took her to a movie. She told us she thought it was a genuine gesture, but it turns out, Erica Swann was actually assisted in plotting the attack by sending text messages signalling when they were on the trail.
Investigators say Lance Swann and Jeffrey Walton punched her in the face, choked her, kicked her in the stomach and then took off with her purse.
Vultaggio told us she never expected things to turn out this way, but that she is just happy that everything is okay with baby Edan and that the suspects are being held responsible.
Redding Police held a news conference Friday afternoon.
At first, investigators thought the purpose of the attack was to steal her purse. Now they believe Lance Swann's intentions were to hurt Vultaggio and her baby and that the robbery was just "an afterthought."
They revealed that cell phone records confirmed Erica Swann had been texting just seconds before the assault. She was arrested Thursday and is being held at Shasta County Jail and will be arraigned early next week.
Lance Swann and Jeffrey Walton were arrested by Naval Criminal Investigative Services. They will be brought back to Shasta County early next week.
All three suspects are facing charges of attempted murder, conspiracy and robbery.