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15 best coffee bars in Rome
Romans like their coffee fast, strong and burning hot.
We gulp it down, on the run, sans sitting.
Drink and go: that's the philosophy. It's part of the lifestyle, a persistent aroma that envelopes people from morning till after dinner.
Many Romans drink five or more espressos per day.
Bars and cafés are our temples.
So it's hard to rate the best. The cafés we've chosen are all in the historic center.
We've judged each in the following categories:
1. Coffee: Taste, smell, temperature, how long it lingers in the mouth, showiness
2. Ambiance: Décor, colors, light, mood
3. Food: From simple croissants to appetizers and menus
4. Service: Staff competence, friendliness, "at-home" approach
5. Location: Views, proximity to historical monuments and famous places, shopping
Here's what we found.
Read our rankings then tell us about your own favorite coffee bars in the comments section.
15. Il Caffé Sant'Eustacchio
Coffee: 10
Ambiance: 6
Food: 7
Service: 6
Total: 36
Coffee of choice: Gran Caffé -- espresso with cream
This is the best example of the classical Roman bar: tiny, plain, familiar.
The owners regularly travel to Brazil to select the best coffee beans from Maya descendants, export the coffee to Rome and pack and sell it to the public.
Everything here is made and smells of coffee: cookies, chocolate bars, cakes, frappés and slushies.
Drinking an average of some 6,000 coffees a day, clients range from politicians to high school kids. Henry Kissinger and Mikhail Gorbaciov have had coffee here.
82 Piazza Sant-Eustacchio; +39 06 688 02048; www.santeustacchioilcaffe.it
14. The Cappuccino Bar
Coffee: 10
Ambiance: 6
Food: 7
Service: 7
Location: 7
Total: 37
Coffee of choice: Hand-decorated cappuccino or cold cappuccino served in a glass
Owner and barman Luigi Santoro makes the best cappuccino downtown: delicate, tasty and pleasant to look at.
He's a kind of coffee artist, sketching in the coffee flowers, apples and hearts. The café, small and snug, serves delicious pastrami pizzas with mozzarella and broccoli.
Serena Roberti, a university student, comes in the evenings. "This place totally relaxes you, the cappuccinos are so yummy," she says.
Perfect for a quick snack and walk, it's located in the popular Hebrew ghetto along the Tiber River.
50 Via Arenula; +39 06 688 0604
13. Recafé
Coffee: 10
Ambiance: 7
Food: 7
Service: 7
Location: 7
Total: 38
Coffee of choice: Espresso with hazelnut or white chocolate cream
A modern city café with great decor and a glossy atmosphere in the heart of Rome's shopping center. The glass window entrance faces Augustus' Mausoleum.
With wide dining rooms on two floors, it's a meeting point for young people and office workers.
The white chocolate cream espresso might not look good in your calorie diary, but it's a must.
Manager Rosario Berretta also serves authentic Neapolitan pizzas.
36 Piazza Augusto Imperatore; +39 06 681 34730; www.pizzare.it
12. Antigua Tazza D'Oro Coffee House
Coffee: 10
Ambiance: 7
Food: 7
Service: 7
Location: 8
Total: 39
Coffee of choice: "Biological" espresso
This café thrives on its location and ambiance. Located in front of the Pantheon, it roasts its own coffee and ships it across the world, even as far as Australia.
You can enjoy your coffee slush while taking a glance at the colorful boutique right behind the bar -- it sells coffee packages and blends.
The master mix is the Queen of Coffees, made from eight Arabica varieties. According to client Maria Rossi, "It's the best café in town because it simply tastes of home."
84 Via degli Orfani; +39 06 678 9792; www.tazzadorocoffeeshop.com
11. Giolitti
Coffee: 10
Ambiance: 8
Food: 7
Service: 8
Location: 7
Total: 40
Coffee of choice: Glass espresso (creamy espresso served in a glass, no sugar)
Owner Nazzareno Giolitti likes his espresso in a small, glass cup so he can feel the temperature in his hand, see the color and ensure the creamy layer is just the right depth.
Tourists from all over the world mingle with politicians -- the café has been nicknamed the "second parliament" -- and you might even bump into President Giorgio Napolitano.
During World War II it was a meeting point for American soldiers. Now it's beloeved by Michelle Obama and Sharon Stone.
The café is also globally renowned for its award-winning ice cream.
40 Via Uffici del Vicario; +39 06 699 1243; www.giolitti.it
10. Ciampini
Coffee: 10
Ambiance: 8
Food: 7
Service: 8
Location: 8
Total: 41
Coffee of choice: Espresso or cappuccino
If you're looking for a cozy place to relax, this is it.
Run by the same family for four generations, the owner Maura Ciampini works behind the register and is generous with his smiles.
Coffee is made with an artisan mix.
Specialties include croissants, homemade cakes and ice cream. The pistachio flavor is amazing. There's a great atmosphere inside and outside at the tables lining the piazza.
29 Piazza San Lorenzo in Lucina; +39 06 687 3620; www.caffeciampini.com
9. Canova Tadolini
Coffee: 10
Ambiance: 9
Food: 8
Service: 7
Location: 8
Total: 42
Coffee of choice: Espresso "marocchino" (chocolate cream, coffee, cocoa powder, cream topping)
How about a coffee in a former artist atelier, surrounded by bronze and marble sculptures?
Manager Antonio Pompa has a museum-bar with astonishing décor, packed with a casual arrangement of works by 19th-century sculptor Adamo Tadolini.
Chevaliers on horse, naked women, classical busts and fountains overlook leather chairs and white-clothed tables.
Pompa's clients often return for three or four coffees in a day, he says.
"I'm like their brain-awakener," jokes barman Bruno Calvitti.
Here an espresso is slurped amid 150 years of Italian sculpture. A good stop for art lovers.
150A/B Via del Babuino; +39 06 321 10702; www.canovatadolini.com
8. Sabatini
Coffee: 10
Ambiance: 9
Food: 9
Service: 7
Location: 8
Total: 43
Coffee of choice: Espresso
Forget the luxury boutiques and elegant streets near the Spanish Steps -- here you're at the heart of Trastevere, Rome's lively neighborhood popular for its nightlife.
Owner Saverio Ciccazzo sells coffee with an aroma that dwells on your taste buds for hours. You can sip-and-go at the shiny wooden bar with artisan floor tiles, or relax outside at the tables facing the area's most beautiful piazza.
Not too elegant, but real cool. It's also a chic "trattoria," a typical Roman restaurant where you eat like a local.
23 Vicolo Santa Maria in Trastevere; +39 06 581 2026; www.ristorantisabatini.com
7. Caffé Strega
Coffee: 10
Ambiance: 9
Food: 7
Service: 9
Location: 9
Total: 44
Coffee of choice: Cappuccino
Here you can enjoy a cup of coffee in chic straw chairs at tables along the tree-lined Via Veneto, where Italian actors and movie directors stroll along chased by paparazzi.
You get two in one: a superb location and great coffee.
The cappuccino is delicate and sweet, no need to add any sugar.
The food is gourmet: traditional Roman spaghetti dishes and fresh fish.
173 Via Vittorio Veneto; +39 06 474 0017; www.caffestrega.com
6. Domiziano
Coffee: 10
Ambiance: 9
Food: 8
Service: 8
Location: 10
Total: 45
Coffee of choice: Noisette coffee (espresso served with hazelnut ice cream, cocoa powder and cream)
An example of how fabulous scenery can enhance coffee.
Right in front of Bernini's majestic Four Rivers Fountain, this café enjoys a unique view on Rome's most showy and spectacular square: Piazza Navona, home to portrait artists and artisans.
The owners have sexed up their cappuccinos and coffees with different ingredients, including a drop of alcohol.
The Coffee Twist is a mix of coffee, cream, chocolate and egg liqueur Vov. It'll give you energy for the whole day.
"What else could you possibly want in life: a great coffee and Bernini!" says fan Lucia Del Piave.
88/89 Piazza Navona; +39 06 6880 6845; www.domiziano.it
5. Canova
Coffee: 10
Ambiance: 9
Food: 9
Service: 8
Location: 10
Total: 46
Coffee of choice: "Espressino doc" (a special espresso mixed with cocoa powder and whipped cream)
Outdoor tables face one of Rome's most scenic and impressive squares: Piazza del Popolo.
Inside, it's glamorous, with sparkling, refurbished interiors, a piano bar and internal garden.
We love the "espressino doc."
"People from all over the world come here every day because we guarantee top quality. Our coffee machines are checked every day and we make sure the pressure levels are OK," says director Adriano De Santis.
16/17 Piazza del Popolo;; +39 06 361 2231, +39 06 361 2227; www.canovapiazzadelpopolo.it
4. Caffé Greco
Coffee: 10
Ambiance: 10
Food: 9
Service: 9
Location: 9
Total: 47
Coffee of choice: Espresso
One of Europe's oldest cafés, you can sit at the same table where artists and intellectuals such as Goethe, Gogol and Andersen met to exchange ideas.
There's a Belle époque, dreamy atmosphere, inspired by classical paintings.
The head waiter dresses in a frock coat. You're right in front of the Spanish Steps and inside the designer boutiques' hub.
While sipping your dark, strong coffee you may run into Stellario Baccellieri, the café's painter famous for his frescoes.
"I have four espresso here every day, the staff is wonderful," he says.
86 Via Condotti; +39 06 679 1700; www.anticocaffegreco.eu
3. Bramante's Cloister Café Bistrot
Coffee: 10
Ambiance: 10
Food: 8
Service: 10
Location: 10
Total: 48
Coffee of choice: Bramante Coffee (cocktail of coffee, chocolate cream and powder, cream topping)
This is the only place you'll be served espresso in a cocktail stem glass.
The Bramante Coffee matches this refined artistic bistro, which enjoys an enviable location: inside the cloister designed by Renaissance artist Bramante.
If sipping your coffee in the lounge, through the window you'll see Raffaello's fresco of "The Four Sibyls" in the attached church.
Tough choice where to sit: the bar is modern and electric, but the outside tables lined under the arcade overlooking the cloister offer a sensory experience.
"What people find here is artistic tranquility," says manager Eugenia.
5 Arco della Pace; +39 06 6880 9035; www.chiostrodelbramante.it
2. The Stravinskij Bar at the Hotel de Russie
Coffee: 10
Ambiance: 10
Food: 9
Service: 10
Location: 10
Total: 49
Coffee of choice: Espresso served with candied walnuts
This is the place "to see and be seen" in Rome: an exclusive classic-contemporary meeting point in one of the city's best five-star hotels, dating to the 1800s and stylishly renovated.
Brad Pitt has visited, savoring a coffee in the open-air garden, with wrought iron tables and chairs, and at the elegant bar-lounge featuring purple velvet sofas and tall, luminous windows.
Assistant bar manager Sergio Trisolino recommends the espresso without sugar.
"You can feel the initial, strong taste, then delicate as it lingers on the tongue," he says.
9 Via del Babuino; +39 06 3288 8874; www.hotelderussie.it
1. Rosati
Coffee: 10
Ambiance: 10
Food: 10
Service: 10
Location: 10
Total: 50
Coffee of choice: Espresso.
Tradition, location and treatment make this café the best coffee bar in Rome.
It enjoys the best view of Piazza del Popolo with the Pincian Gardens above.
The espresso is bliss in a cup.
The wrought iron tables outside and sophisticated coffee room with old wooden décor and marble floors of the 1920s create a warm ambiance.
There's a colorful pastry area with some of the best tiramisu in town.
The owners are always there to greet you. It's right in front of Canova, but many coffee addicts claim this serves a far better cup.
4/5a Piazza del Popolo; +39 06 322 7378, +39 06 322 5859; www.barrosati.com
Do you agree? Tell us about your own favorite coffee bars in the comments section.


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Town Square
More questions on Car Dwelling Ban
Original post made by pavoter, Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on Nov 24, 2012
The headline makes is sound like the majority of Palo Altans feel strongly that people living in their cars can park in front of our houses, but when you read closely -- it was only three city council committee members who feel this way. Really, they should offer their street parking in front of their houses to see how well this works out.
The article calls this a "deeply divisive proposal" but also mentions that all our surrounding cities have such a ban. How could it be so deeply divisive here but not in Menlo Park or Mountain View, etc.? Sounds more like a few people have an agenda and are pushing it through by trying to make Palo Altans feel guilty if they object to someone living in their car in front of their residence.
Figuring out some alternative area where car dwellers can park is OK. But it is not ok that someone can just start living right in front of your residence.
Comments (43)
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Nov 24, 2012 at 3:49 pm
The title should really be "City Council does not support car dwelling in Palo Alto". It is obvious that most Palo Alto residents want a resolution on not only Car Dwelling but parking issues in general. We would like neighborhood parking to be used by neighborhood residents and their guests, business parking to be provided by businesses, and RV's parked in RV parks.
a resident of College Terrace
on Nov 24, 2012 at 4:22 pm
> Does this mean that anyone who wants to live in their car/rv can park in front of my house and the city will do nothing to prevent this?
a resident of Crescent Park
on Nov 24, 2012 at 8:13 pm
That can't be right. When we refinished our hardwood floors last year, we parked our usually stored RV in front of our house for ONE DAY and the cops paid us a visit. They told us it was illegal to park an RV on the street, period, no matter the reason, no matter who owns it. We had to check into ahotel for four days as a result.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Nov 25, 2012 at 1:44 am
I would like to know for whom this is really a problem?
Again, if there is someone parking in front of your house,
have you asked them to move? Have you called the police?
What is the real problem, is this a real problem, or is it just
some rant on the part of a few people who want to make a
federal case out of something that is not that much of a bother?
What is the actual problem and for whom?
As the saying goes, do not fix things that are not broken,
tell me how this is broken and to what extent before you
do demanding the city to spend legal resources on a law that
might backfire and cost a lot of money.
Who is being hurt and to what extent? I admit, this is not a
problem for me, though there are so many cars on the street
that anyone would find it hard to park. I think its a bigger
more important problem that Palo Alto homes are no so bit
with inadequate parking, but there is even a less straightforward
fix for that.
Really, be pragmatic, ignore it unless it is a major problem.
I am not ignoring anyones experiences here, just asking those
who are complaining to be specific and provide examples and
Please refrain from suggesting that anyone who does not agree
with you should allow this in front of their house, because the
idea is ridiculous and irrelevant and impossible anyway. Like
saying if you agree with the war in Afghanistan you must be
there fighting it yourself, let us stick to the realistic level
a resident of Crescent Park
on Nov 25, 2012 at 1:49 am
> They told us it was illegal to park an RV on the street, period,
Thats interesting ... why?
Is that any street, because I do see RVs around the city. Does that mean it is illegal to drive an RV in Palo Alto at all, or just to stop? What if they want to go to the grocery store? I think I have seen them on El Camino. Seems like a good place for them.
I wonder was that law sponsored by the hotel industry? And why is not one thinking about all the excess cars that are parked in Palo Alto, all the time?
a resident of College Terrace
on Nov 25, 2012 at 7:20 am
I have had car campers park in front of my house. I have asked them to move it on, but they ignored me. I had small children in one case, and called the cops, and an officer came over. He said he understood my concerns, but could do nothing.
It not only is a real problem, but it is also potentially a bigger problem. No residence or business is safe. If someone buys a $1.2M home in Palo Alto, and then a car camper sets up house outside their home, or even in the neighborhood, the value of that home will immediately be decreased. The effect of vehicle dwelling on property values must be considered.
If Santa Barbara can ban car camping (and even Venice is headed in that direction), then Palo Alto can do it, too.
To stand back and tell others that they should not be bothered, because I am not being bothered in Crescent Park or on Seale Ave., is a very selfish view of the situation.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Nov 25, 2012 at 9:24 am
Do these vehicles stay beyond 72 hours? If they do then it is illegal already. Do these vehicles move every day? Then why not put one of your own vehicles in the space outside your house so that they cannot come back to that spot each evening. Do these vehicles have current tax, insurance and are the drivers licensed? If not, then surely it is illegal already.
There must be other ways of getting around this problem. Fortunately I do not have them outside my home, but I can understand the distaste for someone who does. However, I would look for other means to get rid of them than just expecting this ban at some stage in the future. I would want them gone today.
a resident of College Terrace
on Nov 25, 2012 at 9:39 am
Vehicles are allowed a 72 hour period to park, but it does not stop the car campers, since they simply move the car a certain distance, then come back to nearly the same spot.
Fortunately, College Terrace has a residential parking permit program (RPPP)that suppresses car campers. It appears to be effective, except for those streets that do not participate.
Until car camping is criminalized, as it is in many other California cities, the problem will only get worse. Palo Alto is a magnet for vehicle dwellers.
a resident of Meadow Park
on Nov 25, 2012 at 10:15 am
How about all the vehicle dwellers at the Cubberley Community Center parking lot. Are they permitted to stay there forever? Come on, each day there are more and more and the City doesn't do anything about it.
Why are there no similar parking lots for homeless vehicle dwellers in North Palo Alto?
Larry Klein says he doesn't see a problem, that's because Larry Klein lives in North Palo Alto and doesn't go to College Terrace and see the street car campers; let alone come down to South Palo Alto to see them at the Cubberley's parking lot, throwing their trash onto the parking lot. These people are messy, so much for self-policing.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Nov 25, 2012 at 10:25 am
What's wrong with it:
The parking spaces in front of most peoples' homes is limited, we have only two. Of course it is public and other people can use those spaces. As a courtesy, neighbors park in front of their own homes unless they cannot for whatever reason. But that is temporary. We need those spaces for friends, relatives, and others to be available when needed. A car dweller parked overnight would make it inconvenient, but there are far more serious concerns than that:
Safety and health issues matter. Is this car dweller a threat? Are they checking out the neighborhood to see who is home and who is not? Even if they do not commit a crime, they could convey such information to someone else. What are they using for restrooms? That alone is enough to make it a very uncomfortable situation for surrounding neighbors. Or, maybe they are just trying to avoid hotel bills. Or, maybe stake out some of the more famous people residing here.
Neighbors have a right to privacy, and a car dweller invades that sense of privacy. A car dweller is watching neighbors coming and going all day and all night. While the street is a public place, the parking spaces in residential neighborhoods were never intended to serve as mini-residences. Home owners have to abide by numerous codes, and that is to insure the safety and health conditions for the residence as well as for the neighborhood. Car dwellers are not so restricted, don't pay the taxes, are not invested in the neighborhood, and that is why it should be banned on residential streets.
a resident of Downtown North
on Nov 25, 2012 at 11:46 am
Thanks to wide Bay Area print media and TV coverage of this, the 'word is out'. "Ya'all come- make yerself at home". How about printing the city mgr's. address as well as the entire council. Maybe they'd make breakfast too. Called "Bed and Breakfast"
a resident of College Terrace
on Nov 25, 2012 at 12:11 pm
> How about printing the city mgr's. address as well as the entire council. Maybe they'd make breakfast too. Called "Bed and Breakfast"
Kate, I have thought about doing just that. Their addresses are public record. I have resisted from doing it, in order to allow them to wake up to the problem. If they do not, I will try to get people of all stripes to park their junk vehicles in front of their homes. Note: Remember to move your car every three days! Such a political theatre act could be called "Occupy Seale", in honor of Larry Klein, where he lives. Since Larry claims that he doesn't bother to read public blogs, it should be a big surprise to come home and see his neighborhood congested with legally parked junkers.
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Nov 25, 2012 at 9:25 pm
What may happen is that the situation gets so bad that even the bleeding heart liberals will beg for an ordinance. Then, the City Council will feel the support. A shame that we will have to wait for that situation, but doesn't government always wait until there is a crisis before they look into a solution?
a resident of Crescent Park
on Nov 25, 2012 at 10:46 pm
> The effect of vehicle dwelling on property values must be considered
What do you suppose that is ... I think it is nothing. I think you should go down to the Police station and ask someone to do something. I believe the officer who told you there is nothing he can do is kicking the can, of course there is even if it to go over the car with a fine tooth comb to find an excuse to write ticket.
What would happen if someone let the air out of all the tires?
I sympathize with you actually, I can imagine it is a pain, but that does not mean it is a big issue for everyone else or even should be. I did not tell you you should not be bothered, but lots of things bother me and you are letting it get to you way too much.
I don't say it is not a problem, but a lot of things are problems on the level of not being enough of a problem or the solution is to complex to try to turn into a citywide protest again poor unfortunates. If you could look past your ... seemingly in the past issue ... and maybe think about what your story would look like when viewed in a Bibilical perspective ... and no I am not religious, but I am just trying to get you see this is something you can easily bear and ignore for the most part.
Let's compare this with my constant complaints about the airport and airplanes flying over Palo Alto. We know there is danger, we know it is annoying, in fact when you look at it healthwise its more than annoying. Again, we all have a lot invested in our homes, so which is a bigger annoyance to more people, the random annoying car camper who might appear and stay a week, or the constant flight over our community of airplanes. When planes fly over at night researchers say our blood pressure goes up, people wake up from a deep sleep, but by the time they do the plane is gone and they go back to sleep never realizing they have been ripped off of a really good night's sleep. Palo Alto back in the 70's used to be dead quiet at night. You could walk around at night and hear nothing but birds and crickets.
Just curious if you have any complaints about airplane noise and how it compares in your opinion to the car camper issue?
a resident of Mountain View
on Nov 26, 2012 at 10:27 am
Edgarpoet is a registered user.
Craig L,
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Palo Alto real estate has INCREASED in value regardless of what happens on the public street. Property values have increased almost
30% in the last 3 years.
You have the right to visit your city council meeting and speak up!
Why don't you?
a resident of Mountain View
on Nov 26, 2012 at 10:35 am
Edgarpoet is a registered user.
The litter that you are refering to is the result of the people using the soccerfields, NOT the car dwellers, who actually clean up trash left behind by those using the soccer fields. Please get your facts straight. The people staying at Cubberly are working at jobs in Palo Alto area. Many are on waiting lists for low income apartments. The are not criminals, they are working people holding down jobs that YOU would probably not do. Why not come over and say hello?
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Nov 26, 2012 at 11:19 am
Edgarpoet: Perhaps somehow you didn't notice the expanding mess that is spreading from that yellow van that's parked next to the new soccer field 24X7? It now looks like a dump around there. There is cardboard, shopping carts, loose paper and the ubiquitous sea of blue tarps there to raise our property values. Go take a peek.
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Nov 26, 2012 at 12:22 pm
It sounds like even though this issue doesn't effect all of the PA voters 24/7 it's important enough to see where future politicians stand on the issue. It's a hot potato issue so it'd be interesting to hear their answers.
a resident of Meadow Park
on Nov 26, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Palo Parent and Edgarpost: the vehicle dweller in the old yellow van who throws cardboard and other trash onto the parking lot has been around for a long time. He has been removed from the Cubberley parking lot on previous occasions by the Police who are well aware he is there.
Unfortunately, the City's Manager at Cubberley asked the Police not to come back after a recent vehicle removal. He has basically been allowed to remain indefinitely along with several other vehicle dwellers who violated the 72 hour parking ban. This is unfair to the Cubberley tenants and neighbors who want Cubberley cleaned up and upgraded.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Nov 26, 2012 at 1:09 pm
There are very good reasons to ban car dwellers in front of residences. The city seems to think that it is more important to "not criminalize the poor" and to pass such a ban would do so.
That's a straw argument.
To pass such a ban is not criminalizing the poor any more than it is "criminalizing homeowners" by restricting homeowners from cementing their entire front lawn area and making it into a mini-parking lot. Homeowners are bound by numerous restrictions/laws/codes . Even our public county parks don't allow overnight parking and this is where car dwellers would not be disturbing/crowding/worrying neighbors, and the parks often have toilet facilities. No one has said this policy is "criminalizing the poor" because there are good reasons why the parks have such restrictions.
a resident of College Terrace
on Nov 26, 2012 at 1:22 pm
>What do you suppose that is ... I think it is nothing (re property devaluations)
Larry Klein has stated that he has spoken to local realtors, who have told him that parking restrictions heavily increase property values. I have a couple of realtor friends in PA, and they tell me that car campers are a real drag, when it comes to selling a house...many people simply move on to another neighborhood that is currently free of car campers.
So no, is is NOT nothing. It is money taken from the homeowners, and it is significant.
a resident of College Terrace
on Nov 26, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Here is my solution:
1. Criminalize car campers, like so many other CA cities already do. Without criminalization, there is no enforcement.
2. Take the ten acres in Baylands, recently undedicated, and divide into two 5 acre parts:
a. A car camper park, based on the Santa Barbara model.
b. Five acres for a plasma arc plant, in lieu of the anaerobic digestion (AD) fiasco that has been proposed.
This solution not only solves the environmental problem of solid wastes, but it also cleans up our streets from car campers, and the car campers will have a safe place to camp. We will also save a bunch of money, because we will not waste it on AD.
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Nov 26, 2012 at 2:40 pm
If car camping is not currently criminalized, then why is simply temporarily parking an RV on the street you live on punishable by a fine?
A few years ago, a neighbor of ours parked a large RV infront of our house. I had no problem with it, but another neighbor came across the street and informed me that it was muy "duty" to report this vehicle to the police because it was parked in front of my house. I told this lady I had no problem with the vehicle being there, let it be.
Well, she or another neighbor, I never found out who, complained to the police about the RV parked in front of my house, and the next day there was a ticket attached to the windshield. The police never knocked on my door to ask me if it bothered me, they just ticketed it.
Well, of course the owner was enraged and assumed that because her RV was in front of my house, I must have been the snitch. Took me years to convince her otherwise, still not sure she believes it. In the meantime, I endured stolen mail, and then a vandalized mailbox, and then a vandalized car (which she eventually paid for). All because the fine was quite high, and a threat of being towed and impounded included. The RV was there less than 48 hours.
So why was that criminal, andhow is it that car camping is not???
a resident of Palo Alto Hills
on Nov 26, 2012 at 3:46 pm
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a resident of Crescent Park
on Nov 27, 2012 at 11:30 am
> Larry Klein has stated that he has spoken to local realtors, who have told him that parking restrictions heavily increase property values.
Parking restrictions do not overlap with car camping or whatever you want to call it hardly at all. Most cars parked on the streets are because there are too many people living in too small a property. Go drive through East Palo Alto, East Menlo Park, etc and see how the streets are so lined with cars that neighborhood security and life is affected very negatively, but that is very much not car camping at all. That is what is associated with and affects property values.
> I have a couple of realtor friends in PA, and they tell me that car campers are a real drag,
Of course a car camper in sight of an open house is not going to be a good thing. No offense to our realtor community, but realtors are all about being people persons, and they will tell you whatever they think you want to hear. Also, what realtors think and what is statistically true are not necessarily the same, even if it has to do with real estate.
A good example is how realtors will tell people some funny things when it is time to sell their house, like what superficial improvements they should make, right down to what color of flowers to avoid, staging your house, etc. Healthy skepticism in the face of some of these costly useless ideas is very helpful. In hundreds or thousands of houses the risk that someone will car camp in from of your house for a day or two is not going to dissuade many who want to buy a house, nearly as much as driving to an open house and having a hard time to find a parking space because cars line the streets.
Craig you really seem to overstate your case. I get your points and I even agree with you about much of it when there is a specific problem, but your previous solutions only take into account getting the car out of the way with no concern about solving the problem for homeless people. Taking people with a car as their home and making them homeless and adding to their problems just does not seem right to me. It's not that I agree that we should have large numbers of homeless people in Palo Alto streets in cars or not, but that the problem is a small one.
For example there is an old homeless lady that seems to have colonized a nook of a building's front door on University that I find annoying to walk by. It seriously makes me gasp every time I walk by this area. This is the lady I mentioned before that hangs out in the Apple Store sometimes. She is in obvious need of help, and she is a nuisance, but criminalizing her when there is no way to help her is not a good solution. Something should be done. I don't know that there is a good solution, but until it becomes a significant problem either in magnitude or numbers I am for just living with it, albeit uneasily. Same with the panhandlers outside Whole Foods. I find them annoying but trying to find the right size legal solution to the problem is more trouble than its world compared to live and live ... assuming that it is the occasional one or two people.
I don't expect you to agree or define the magnitude of the current problem the same as I, but I really wonder if you see my point. I like the idea of setting aside a place for this out at the Baylands somewhere. There is inadequate parking in the Baylands as well as facilities anyway. Put some facilities for RVs as well. I do think there should be places for RVs to park in the city, maybe in the industrial section if that is not already the case.
Parking laws should be posted or easy to determine as well for people who are just looking for a place to stop. What are people in RVs visiting the area supposed to do if they want to go to the grocery store or shopping? I have to wonder about the reasons for these laws and if it has something to do with the motel industry?
a resident of College Terrace
on Nov 27, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Anon, There are some possible partial solutions, but none of them will work, until car camping is criminalized. The criminalization must occur first. Look at Santa Barbara.
Regarding the homeless, that should also be criminalized, ala Giuliani in NYC. It is inhumane to allow the homeless to sleep on the streets of our cities. There is a truly pathetic woman who sleeps on California Ave. I ask myself, "How can liberal Palo Alto condone this?" As far as I can tell, it is a combination of buying into the 'don't criminalize the homeless' nonsense, as well as the 'as long as she doesn't sleep in my neighborhood'. Sound familiar, Anon.?
a resident of Crescent Park
on Nov 27, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Sorry, but I'm not buying the "criminalizing the poor" defense. Speaking only for myself, I find those type of extreme and baseless reactive statements as pandering at best. I'm not making a personal comment on those in this thread who have used the term - just stating that the term is over-used and has become hollow for me.
We're talking about car camping on city streets; for the most part in residential neighborhoods. The act of camping in front of someone's home is the concern, not necessarily who is doing the camping.
I for one, value a Realtor's take on a neighborhood or street. I want to know if the street is a known car/van campground. I also want to know if the street is besieged by downtown workers who choose to park on the street rather than pay for parking. I would want to know if commuters cut through the street to avoid University Avenue in the evenings or the Dumbarton back up. Also would want to know about HSR and it how it may affect the neighborhood.
All of these things affect the saleability of a multi-million dollar home.
Even the 3 most ultra-liberal cities in the Bay Area prohibit car camping --- SF, Santa Cruz, Berkeley. Should they be considered non-caring, homeless hating cities? I don't think so.
So learn from those cities and make the change.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Nov 27, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Crescent Park Dad -- well put. I agree and don't want to "criminalize the homeless" but allowing them to park in front of residences is not a solution. This catchy phrase is an emotional appeal designed to make proponents for the ban feel guilty. The ordinance to ban car dwelling is seen as "criminalizing the homeless", so therefore Palo Alto is on higher moral ground to go without the banning ordinance. The argument is a straw argument -- our streets may start to serve as temporary lodging for those who don't want to pay a hotel bill or just prefer camping in their car. They may not be poor or homeless or it may be a choice lifestyle. Are the police going to check to make sure only the homeless can be car dwellers?
Might as well call most of our ordinances as "criminalizing our citizens" or "criminalizing homeowners".
How come our city leaders don't object to county parks forbidding car dwellers in the parks overnight?
a resident of College Terrace
on Dec 1, 2012 at 10:04 am
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a resident of College Terrace
on Dec 1, 2012 at 11:02 am
Since my post got axed due to copyright concenrns, let me put it this way. Look at the link:
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It appears that many sexual predators are transients,living in homeless camps, including Palo Alto. I wonder how many of them are over at Cubberley?
Palo Alto is a magnet for the transients.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Dec 5, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Abhor criminal behavior of course. Ditto parking on residential streets.
There are many decent people forced to live in their cars. They aren't drug addicts, alcoholics, car camping is their sole option. last resort.
As a third generation local, I remember back in the day, citizens reached out to assist those in need due to no fault of their own.
Many have disabilities - cancer survivors, people hit by cars etc - total SSI income of $800 +/- leaves no options. Many volunteer daily for local outreach programs, respect the area where parked. Palo Alto ignores maintenance in certain areas - these people clean up after other 'non-car campers mess. Sweep sidewalks and streets city ignores.
There are no alternatives for this group. Shelters are full of unsavory folks - not an option
for people with character and integrity. Reality is affordable housing has 2 year waiting lists - alternatives don't exist - NIMBYism prevails.
Many would love to get out of Palo Alto but can't afford fuel to do so.
There is an abundance of top-notch university and private research supporting my statements. Read Roy Baumeister's 'The Need to Belong: Desire for Interpersonal Attachments as Fundamental Motivation; MIT's Us and them: Intergroup failures of empathy - free downloads online.
For an intellectual community like Palo Alto, failure to recognize. take action is incomprehensible. Presumption others are throwaways is callous and cold. Unavoidable
disasters happen daily. Palo Alto residents are not immune.
Doubt if anyone needing a transplant would refuse a car-campers organ donation.
Create innovative solutions lending a helping hand as a community.
a resident of College Terrace
on Dec 5, 2012 at 10:48 pm
>Abhor criminal behavior of course. Ditto parking on residential streets.
Oh, now that is a little movement! Used to be that the cops said they could do nothing about car campers in residential neighborhoods. Since I live in College Terrace, and we now have the RPPP, things have improved a lot. Additional parking restrictions have been promised to get rid of that absurd situation around JJ&F. Are you saying that neighborhoods not protected by their own RPPP should just take it on the chin?
I am not interested in your 'cry me a river' baloney. I want to know how Palo Alto will protect its property owners, including residential and business owners.
Those who insist that the car campers should be tolerated should open up their own homes to them. Note: Don't hold your breath...so many hypocrites out there.
It is long past time for the city council to put this issue to a vote of the Palo Alto citizens.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Dec 13, 2012 at 11:26 pm
CL you do go on ... and on .... and on.
Of the time you have lived in Palo Alto, how much of it have you had to bother with homeless people, car campers, or whatever ... lump it all together and I wager it is not even close to 1%.
a resident of College Terrace
on Dec 16, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Given that the crazies are creating mayhem, including the CT whacko and the Newport Beach car camper, (A shooting has been reported in the parking lot of Fashion Island in Newport Beach.
Police said "at least 60 rounds" were fired outside the Macy's.
The suspect was identified as 42-year-old Marcus Gurrola. Police said the man lives in his car." Unhappy with life, apparently.)
Don't forget that some of these creeps are sex predators, close to our schools.
We need to clean these unbalanced people off our streets, as well as our neighbohoods.
For the bleeding hearts, who objcect, they can offer their own homes to them. They won't, of course, because they are phonies, like a member, or two, of our city council.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Dec 19, 2012 at 12:55 am
LOL .... you do go on ...
Making the most of coincidence.
Of all the shooting everywhere, how many were done by car campers?
You're not really understanding the statistical perspective ... again ...
Of the time you have lived in Palo Alto, how much of it have you had to bother with homeless people, car campers, or whatever ... lump it all together and I wager it is not even close to 1%.
a resident of College Terrace
on Dec 19, 2012 at 7:34 am
>Of the time you have lived in Palo Alto, how much of it have you had to bother with homeless people, car campers, or whatever ... lump it all together and I wager it is not even close to 1%.
I live in College Terrace and shop at JJ&F every day. The streets there are packed with car campers and/or vans all the time. Therefore, I am impacted by it 100% of the days that I live here. Of course, in Crescent Park you don't have the problem, do you? Perhaps that is why you so easily dismiss the problem, eh?
a resident of Downtown North
on Dec 19, 2012 at 7:45 am
Here we go again, more gross exaggerations in this forum. Note it is " streets are packed with car campers" and " my life is impacted all the time". You realize that people do not take you seriously when you utter these Wild claims.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Dec 19, 2012 at 9:19 am
Craig, I don't dismiss the problem. I just want information. I do dismiss much of your particular rhetoric, even if I do see a bit of a point there. I think it is hard and expensive and time consuming to create a law that does what should be done here.
a resident of College Terrace
on Dec 19, 2012 at 9:47 am
If Santa is good to me (and much of College Terrace)he will require the City to put up restricted parking times around JJ&F. He will also require the city to provide information to the van owners about streets that do not have restricted parking times...then all those junker vans may move over into those neighborhoods...and this may cause those neighborhoods to develop their own parking restrictions. Note: I suggest Crescent Park and Seale Ave.
At that point, we can discuss what is truth and facts vs. rhetoric.
a resident of Downtown North
on Dec 19, 2012 at 10:21 am
re Craig Laughton's comments--they can not be taken seriously because
1) his constant insistence that if you do not take homeless people into your home you are a "hypocrite" if you express concern for them. No need to expand on the ridiculous nature of that kind of stance on the issue (and to be sure--he will argue again and agin this point)
2) claims that car campers are everywhere in College Terrace, day and night,all the time. No need to expand on that either
3) claims that these car campers (that seem to be only in College Terrace in Craig's mind) need to move to other parts of the city that he has designated
4) claims that other parts of the city are not concerned about the issue and therefore should have car campers moved to their area.
While this issue needs to be addressed, Craig should be left out of the debate
a resident of College Terrace
on Dec 19, 2012 at 12:42 pm
I will take the naysayers comments seriously, when they volunteer their own driveways for the car campers, or when they get the problem in their own neighborhoods. Until then, they are just hypocrites.
Car campers (or at least their junk vans) are everywhere, near JJ&F (Oxford, to be specific), every day/night, without exception, 100% of the time. There used to be a problem throughout CT, until we got our RPPP. Facts are a hard thing to refute.
College Terrace is not the only neighbohood impacted, and I fully support the efforts of other impacted neighborhoods to insist on parking restrictions. The hypocrites could care less, apparently.They will wake up, when their nighborhoods start to feel the impact.
Perhaps we could have some non-impacted neighborhood leaders invite the car campers over to their 'hood. Larry Klein would be a good one to lead the effort, since he claims that it is not a problem. It would also be good to see Crescent Park volunter, too.
a resident of Downtown North
on Dec 19, 2012 at 1:11 pm
"I will take the naysayers comments seriously, when they volunteer their own driveways for the car campers, or when they get the problem in their own neighborhoods. Until then, they are just hypocrites."
See what did I tell you?? To label all those that for various reasons cannot accomadate the homeless as being hypocrites disqualifies you from the discussion on this matter.
Anyway, wether or not you take us seriously is of no concern to us.
We know where you stand on this matter and your use of ridiculous rhetoric means that you are alone in this matter. Enjoy being with your one member fan club
a resident of College Terrace
on Dec 19, 2012 at 2:04 pm
>Anyway, wether or not you take us seriously is of no concern to us.
I am sure it is not. However, if you want a serious discussion, then you need to be serious. Thus far, the deniers and naysayers have not been serious. They could demonstrate their seriousness by volunteering their own neighborhoods to take over the load.
Just curious: Which neighborhoods are willing to bear the burden? I think CT and Cubberly and Ventura have paid their dues...time for Seale Ave. and Crescent Park to step up to the plate.
Where is Larry Klein?
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I don't have a hatred for modern technology — it's more of a strong dislike.
Really smart people have learned how to clone sheep. Stem-cell research may allow us to live forever. Soon we'll be going to the optometrist to have Google installed in our retinas.
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Though you think you're using the most accurate water-test kit available, it still may read incorrectly or differently than expected. To save yourself confusion, time and money, you need to understand the test equipment you're using and what causes it to sometimes report false readings.
Here's a look at the top causes of inaccurate readings for liquid kits, test strips and electronic devices.
Liquid kits
Most liquid test kits use a chemical indicator called DPD to measure free chlorine. However, high levels of combined chlorine (chloramines) can cause false positives with these kits.
Low to moderate levels of combined chlorine are neutralized in most DPD kits. But combined chlorine occasionally will build up to such a point that it seems to indicate a level of free chlorine is present when, in fact, there may be none.
A strong chloramine odor may confirm that there's a high level of combined chlorine present. Otherwise, pay close attention to the chlorine reaction when adding the DPD indicator (usually DPD No. 2). Free chlorine reacts immediately with DPD to turn pink, while combined chlorine generally takes longer to produce a result. Therefore, if color develops within a few seconds or minutes, you are likely seeing combined chlorine reacting with the DPD indicator.
Elevated sanitizer levels can cause problems for liquid test kits, too. First, high levels of chlorine (greater than 15 ppm) or bromine (greater than 20 ppm) can cause the pH indicator to turn purple, which does not match the pH color scale. This is similar to the high pH colors, 8.0 to 8.4 ppm, so be careful not to mistake it for a high reading and then add acid when it's not necessary.
If chlorine or bromine levels appear to be on the high side and the pH is reading purple, the best thing to do is wait for the sanitizer level to drop and test again. If you're pressed for time, you could add a drop of sodium thiosulfate to neutralize the chlorine. This is a less than ideal practice because thiosulfate solutions have a high pH. Thus, you are increasing the pH of the sample and again getting potentially high results.
Another problem caused by high sanitizer levels is when the DPD indicator is "bleached out." A flash of color occurs when the indicator is added and then quickly becomes colorless. If you see this happening, dilute the sample and retest. For example, you may use half sample water from the pool and half fresh water — ideally, distilled water because it contains no chlorine, and little or no chlorine demand.
You can then run the test again using the same procedure. This will provide you with a result that is half the actual value, so you will need to multiply it by 2 to get the correct reading. Higher sanitizer levels may require greater dilution to get an accurate reading.
Tablet test kits
Tablet test kits are another method of testing pool and spa water. These kits are similar to liquid kits, and many of the chemical reactions are the same. Therefore, you can expect to get inaccuracies similar to what is reported in the liquid section.
Additionally, you can usually determine if a tablet is unusable by inspecting the tablet before using it. If a tablet appears to be more powder than tablet, or if it is discolored, it usually indicates that the reagent within the tablet has been contaminated and is no longer usable.
Test strips
Similar to DPD kits, elevated sanitizer levels also can cause problems for test strips. Because test strips and liquids use the same pH indicator — phenol red — high levels of chlorine (greater than 15 ppm) or bromine (greater than 20 ppm) can cause the pH indicator to turn purple, which does not match the pH color scale. This problem tends to be more obvious with test strips, forming a shade of purple that does not closely resemble the 8.4 or other high-end color blocks.
Total alkalinity may be affected as well. Like the pH reading, elevated sanitizer levels can cause a color that does not match anything on the scale, in this case, a royal blue. Generally, the royal blue alkalinity accompanies the purple pH, making it easier to determine when this problem is occurring. The best thing to do is wait for the sanitizer to drop to an acceptable level and test again.
Another common issue for test strips is faded or "washed out" results. You can identify this situation when test strips react to form colors that appear to be in the same family as the ones on the chart, but are significantly lighter or less intense. This happens most commonly when test strips have been contaminated, generally by heat or humidity.
Test strips should be stored at room temperature, and use dry fingers when handling them to prevent moisture from entering the bottle. Seal the bottle immediately after use.
Electronic devices
Electronic devices don't provide the same kind of indicators as liquid kits and test strips to let you know when you're getting inaccurate readings. When using them, you need to be aware when false readings occur.
There are two things to consider with most electronic devices: First, are they calibrated correctly? Most units require a single-point calibration. This means you have a single solution of a known concentration by which to set your meter, thus ensuring it is reading accurately. Some devices require a multiple-point calibration with two or three solutions. If you're getting questionable readings with your meter, calibrate it to be sure. Some units are factory calibrated and don't require periodic adjustments.
Second, determine if the device and its accessories are clean. For example, test tubes or vials used with a handheld colorimeter might become discolored or faded over time. Recalibrating can help, but it may not prevent this from causing false high and/or low readings.
Faded or discolored vials or tubes should be replaced, especially if the coloration is not uniform across the entire surface. Cleaning the device can help, but be sure to follow manufacturer's recommendations. If not done properly, it can damage the device. Regardless of which type of water-test kit you're using, you can still rely on a proven method to verify the accuracy of a questionable result. Double-check the readings you're getting against another type of test to confirm that they are in the same general ballpark. If one method tells you the chlorine is low while the other shows that it's acceptable, one of them is not reading accurately.


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Discussion in 'TV ALERTS' started by skaterdelight, May 1, 2012.
Did anyone ever get a response from Universal Sports for not showing worlds? Any explanations?
I watched Worlds on US.
I don't understand - I saw Worlds on Universal Sports. They had good coverage.
I believe the complaints were about the online coverage on universalsports.com, specifically the missing(?) men's and ladies' free skates: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=83138
Oh. That wasn't clear from the original post.
I didn't watch it online, so on that, I can't comment.
I'm thinking this thread should either be moved to the TV forum, or linked up with the old one you linked to.
The camera coverage was quite good. The voice over commentators were awful.
True, true. At this point, though, I'm so used to the bad commentators that I don't bother commenting about that! Except via grumbling asides to my husband as we watch.
But they provided a decent amount of coverage, for which I remain grateful.
Sorry, I was referring to the online service and not showing women's and mens.


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I think those quotes are her original statements from January. The latest I could find was
Again, I hope it all ends well, one good effect of this is that I bet many skating fans who were comlpetely unaware of aboriginal culture (like me) now at least now a little bit about it. (Not from D/S dance though, but because of all the debates on this. And speaking of debates, I don't want to rehash them, I know I brought up this topic too, so now I'll stop.)http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news...0209-nnlb.html
Manton said the decision to drop the costumes is a victory for common sense but the skaters also need to consider reworking the music in their routine.
"It's good that the skaters have recognised the offence the costumes caused to many Aboriginal people and the importance of not exploiting our culture," Manton said.
I preferred Davis and White to Virtue and Moir, although part of that may be because their music and program is unique, whereas V&M's program is more ordinary.
Tracy Wilson said what V&M did was risky though, so I guess that is what was rewarded.
Now as I said this kind of blank slate is a good thing but what irked me more than any of that black face issue etc is that they as world class figure skaters ended up looking totally detached from the rest of the world - they didn't bother to research just a tad and they didn't bother to contact someone with first hand knowledge in it. It is partially understandable in the sense I mentioned, they did seem completely naive about the whole issue but again, it irks me that in the 21st century it is suddenly that hard to google on the internet a bit and just find more about a topic or just ask. Not just DomShabs, their coaches etc too. Total lack of basic skills and simple logic in this day and age.
I am from Moldova and I can assure you - music, costumes, moves - very authentic, you can see them in any Moldavian (Romanian) dance!
It's just shoddy and shows a lack of respect although, personally, I'm not sure I'd go as far as to say it was offensive. I'm sure there's people in all cultures that would take exception to any given interpretation of their culture in the OD. Fortunately no-one decided to do an English folk dance so I didn't have to get upset at the sterotype of waving hankies and bells in a Morris Dance (given that there's at least five different types of Morris Dance!)
Last edited by Cadiva; 02-22-2010 at 07:38 PM.
Tesla, I have to concur that there may just have been an itty bitty, teeny tiny Canadian boost for V/M, whose OD, I thought, did not interpret the flamenco piece that impressively, particularly in the percussive sections...*runs and hides*
(full disclosure: I've never been the biggest fan of flamenco, preferring the original Arabic rhythms from which it has heavily borrowed, and this might well color my perception of any skate to flamenco. That said, D/W's disarmingly charming and well-researched Bollywood number played to both my musical and skating movement preferences)
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I finally got to watch the OD from the other day...... flamenco by V/M...... flamenco???? hardly...... have they ever even watched any real flamenco???
Sorry everyone but it's a pet peeve of mine - I hate that ice dancers and pair skaters always want to do flamenco numbers because they are supposed to be sensual and passionate regarding the man and woman....... flamenco is 98% individual! And aside from the Lambiel flamenco number I would have to say that it should never be attempted....... ever again..... by any couple.... ice dance or pair.......
it looked more like a samba than flamenco...... the costumes weren't even up to snuff! she looked like she was about to do an international style latin number!
Go Bollywood!
ok a little late here but i watch OD , hate davis and white bollywood , what is that?????? Under what folk/country category, not actually Indian folk dancing, not that authentic, oh goodness and skate so slow......boring put me to sleep
And before you go on, read what both of us have written first. You cannot expect countries who have not had issues with this kind of thing to automatically feel the same burdens that the Americans, Canadians and Australians feel. There just isn't any 'feeling' at all of this kind there.
I know because I don't have it myself. I sympathise on an visceral level, I can intellectually understand what went on, I can comprehend the complex situation now but I do not have any feelings whatsoever in regards to the 'guilt' or whatever towards the native peoples nor do I treat them any differently than anyone else. This has brought on trouble several times due to the burdens they themselves now carry - they could not understand the blasé attitude I had towards race, that was out of their experience so automatically it was labeled fake and insulting.
Now what I do blame them for I've already said; I put even more blame on the people around them, as not only DomShabs are involved there. But also you all have got to understand that there are other attitudes and other histories and people who have not had the sort of issues you've had. I do not expect you to, apart from a basic general knowledge, to understand the problems of the Caucasus (and no, I am not Russian but as a Euro these issues affect us all), it would not be normal for you to be aware of it.
Your, hypothetical, mistake would be the same as their's is now - lack of research when going into a venture such as this one and lack of basic skills that are familiar to most people when researching something of this sort. Or, if they had just asked someone directly there, they would have been made aware of the sensitivity of the issue - even now.
It is most likely they encountered the history but without talking to someone involved they did not extrapolate this to possible feelings that still exist today which would have been conveyed to them by someone on that side.
Nothing is ever black and white and it is easy to just condemn without bothering to realize that though they are in the wrong, there are reasons underneath it all that do not justify but at least explain some of it.
There was no malicious intent, which I think is very important to understand as it's quite different to mess up royally because you're a bit of a dunce and to intentionally insult someone on this level.
Last edited by Alatariel; 02-23-2010 at 06:30 AM.
The problem with relativizing the degree of offense, in my view, is that while all peoples have had experiences that most of the rest of the world is unaware of, and that's normal, as you say, Alatariel, the specific history of many colonized peoples, long derided as 'peoples without history' in the West, makes such instances of cross-cultural borrowing potentially more sensitive and fraught than they would otherwise be. Incidentally, I happened upon a documentary the other day about Aboriginal Australians in the Kimberley region who, in the early 20th century, when the pseudoscience of eugenics held sway, became the targets of a Swedish expedition whose members, looking for empirical evidence of their belief that the Aboriginals were the 'missing link', stole the bones of some one or two dozen of their ancestors and given the importance of burial of their elders in their belief system, was experienced as a particularly traumatic intrusion.
So while I understand that in theory, we can all get upset at how someone else misrepresents our culture, it is not unreasonable to suggest, as I did, that some groups, given their collective experiences, might be more offended than others. That you may understand this intellectually, Alatariel, but not viscerally, is perfectly normal, but it does not negate what I tried and perhaps failed to express in my original post. Cadiva, I can understand that you did not find the OD offensive, but all I have been trying to say is that this case goes beyond the usual degree to which people might be upset, and it does so for specific historical reasons.


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Estimates vary, but it's safe to say that restaurants, institutions (such as colleges or hospitals), and municipalities waste tons of food every year; last September, a group of students at the College of the Atlantic in Bar Harbor noticed that such waste was happening all around them. To the tune of $90 per ton, Bar Harbor's food waste was regularly being trucked off Mount Desert Island to be incinerated on the mainland — a missed opportunity that COA senior Nick Harris and three of his classmates decided to address in their social entrepreneurship class.
The result is Gourmet Butanol — an initiative to redirect waste and transform it into usable energy, in the form of an environmentally sustainable fuel. It's been less than a year since the initiative sprung out of that class project, but the idea has accelerated rapidly. Gourmet Butanol is now a team of five that has attracted $12,000 in research and development money, is a part of the college's business incubator, and is working with the school to replace all COA heating oil and gasoline with butanol over the next few years.
The science is relatively simple: Biomass (food waste and other organic materials) is pulverized, and the carbohydrates are extracted (the remaining nitrogen, phosphorous, calcium, and other nutrients are composted). Bacterial microbes consume the carbohydrates, which leads to fermentation and the production of butanol (alcohol), which can be used as an energy-efficient fuel.
Butanol's energy content and octane rating (how much the fuel can be compressed before it ignites) are similar to that of gasoline; unlike ethanol (the former darling of biofuels), butanol is non-corrosive to metals — which is why it can be used in existing engines without significant engine-modification, and can be safely shipped along fuel pipelines nationwide. And, while the yeast used to produce ethanol can only digest simple sugars (and therefore only subsidized crops like corn and sugar beets), the bacteria that produces butanol can handle complex carbohydrates (which encompasses not just food waste, but also lawn clippings, paper products, and lobster shells).
Harris believes that these advantages will propel butanol forward, and with it, a renewed perception of what counts as a natural resource.
"The goal is to be able to provide a model for the rest of the world," Harris says in a phone interview. "I don't think there's any such thing as waste. I think we need to look at that as a valuable resource."
In the short term, Harris and the rest of the Gourmet Butanol team would like to "close the loop on Mount Desert Island," meaning: no waste off the island, and no fuel (heating oil or gasoline) on. When Harris graduates (he has one semester left), he'll stay in Maine to help get this business off the ground.
Gourmet Butanol joins a pack of at least a dozen other ventures around the world devoted to mass production and commercialization of biobutanol (so called, occasionally, to distinguish it from butanol that derives from a petrochemical process). For example, BP and the American chemical company DuPont have teamed up to develop biobutanol; they hope to have a commercial quantity available by next year or 2013.
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A number of players and managers have crossed the north
London divide between Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur over the years.
As we approach another North London derby, Arsenal.com takes a
walk down memory lane to look at some of those who have made the
Four played for Arsenal before moving to Tottenham:
Jimmy Brain
Arsenal 1924-32 (Apps 232, Goals 139)
Tottenham 1931-35 (Apps 34, Goals 10)
Brain was a prolific striker who lies joint-fifth in the all-time Arsenal goalscorers list.
Laurie Brown
Arsenal 1961-64 (Apps 109, Goals 2)
Tottenham 1964-66 (Apps 65, Goals 3)
Brown was a central defender who signed for Arsenal from Northampton Town and immediately became a first-team regular.
David Jenkins
Arsenal 1966-68 (Apps 25, Goals 9)
Tottenham 1968-70 (Apps 17, Goals 2)
Jenkins was a teenage podigy who came up through the ranks at Highbury as a highly-promising striker before moving to Spurs in exchange for Jimmy Robertson.
Rohan Ricketts
Arsenal 2001-02 (Apps 1, Goals 0)
Tottenham 2002-05 (Apps 36, Goals 2)
Ricketts came up through the youth ranks at Highbury, winning the FA Youth Cup with the Gunners in 2000 and 2001 before moving to White Hart Lane after failing to secure a regular starting berth at Arsenal.
Nine played for Tottenham before moving to Arsenal:
George Hunt
Tottenham 1930-37 (Apps 198, Goals 137)
Arsenal 1937-38 (Apps 21, Goals 3)
Hunt was a ball-playing centre-forward whose exciting solo runs made him a popular player but also attracted rough treatment from opposing defenders.
Freddie Cox
Tottenham 1938-49 (Apps 105, Goals 18)
Arsenal 1949-53 (Apps 94, Goals 16)
Cox was a tricky right-winger who particularly excelled for the Gunners in the FA Cup, scoring the winner against Chelsea in the 1949 Semi Final replay.
Vic Groves
Tottenham 1952-53 (Apps 4, Goals 3)
Arsenal 1955-64 (Apps 201, Goals 37)
Vic joined Arsenal as an inside-forward before switching to the position of wing-half. His career at Highbury was plagued by injury but he was made captain and formed a good attacking partnership with David Herd.
Jimmy Robertson
Tottenham 1964-68 (Apps 181, Goals 31)
Arsenal 1968-70 (Apps 59, Goals 8)
Robertson was a leggy Scottish winger who could operate on both flanks and moved to Highbury in a swap deal with David Jenkins in 1968.
Steve Walford
Tottenham 1975-77 (Apps 1, Goals 1)
Arsenal 1977-81 (Apps 98, Goals 4)
A former England youth international, Walford was a tall central defender who pocketed an FA Cup Winners' medal in 1979.
Willie Young
Tottenham 1975-77 (Apps 64, Goals 4)
Arsenal 1977-81 (Apps 237, Goals 19)
Willie was a strong, uncompromising defender who played in three consecutive FA Cup Finals for Arsenal from 1978.
Pat Jennings
Tottenham 1964-77 (Apps 590, Goals 0)
Arsenal 1977-85 (Apps 327, Goals 0)
A former Football Writers' Association and PFA Player of the Year, Jennings is widely regarded as one of the finest goalkeepers of all time. He played in three consecutive FA Cup Finals for Arsenal from 1978.
Kevin Stead
Tottenham 1976-78 (Apps 14, Goals 0)
Arsenal 1978-79 (Apps 2, Goals 0)
West Ham-born defender Stead, made the fewest number of appearances for the two North London clubs of all those who have made the switch - just 16 in total.
Sol Campbell
Tottenham 1992-2001 (Apps 315, Goals 15)
Arsenal 2001- 2006 (Apps 197, Goals 11)
Campbell came up through the ranks at White Hart Lane before moving to Arsenal in 2001 and won two Premiership titles and two FA Cups in his time at Highbury.
...and four played for and/or managed both Arsenal and Tottenham:
Herbert Chapman
Tottenham amateur player 1905-1907
Arsenal manager 1925-1934
Chapman ended his playing career as an amateur player at Spurs before later establishing himself as one the game's most successful and celebrated mangers of all time at Arsenal.
Joe Hulme
Arsenal player 1926-1938 (Apps 374, Goals 125)
Tottenham manager 1945-1949
Hulme was a pacy right-winger during his playing career and lies joint-eighth in the Gunners' all-time scoring list. He went on to manage Spurs following his retirement from playing, laying the foundations for their Championship-winning side of 1951.
Terry Neill
Tottenham manager 1974-1976
Arsenal manager 1976-1983
Neill managed Spurs before replacing Bertie Mee as manager at Highbury in 1976 to become the youngest manager in the club's history.
George Graham
Arsenal manager 1986-1994
Tottenham manager 1998-2001
Graham is one of Arsenal's most successful mangers of all time, winning two League titles, two League Cups, an FA Cup and the 1994 European Cup Winners' Cup before later moving to Spurs after a spell in charge of Leeds United.
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On May 25th, two days after an illuminating and informative True Cost of Chevron Teach-in, people will travel from around the world to descend on San Ramon, CA to confront Chevron at its annual shareholder meeting. They will all have two things in common: they all come from communities that have suffered the dire impacts of Chevron's reckless pursuit of profits, and they're all fighting back.
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Deputies: Charges possible in locker room incident involving Onslow Co. students
WILMINGTON, NEW HANOVER COUNTY - An Onslow County high school student has been suspended for an alleged incident inside a Wilmington school locker room, and deputies said charges may soon be filed.
According to the New Hanover Sheriff's Office, the incident happened inside a locker room at Wilmington Christian Academy Tuesday night. The incident involved students from Dixon High School, located near Holly Ridge in Onslow County, said deputies. One of those Dixon High School students has been suspended.
Sheriff's Office spokesman Sgt. Jerry Brewer said the incident involved juveniles, but did not release details on what happened inside the locker room. Brewer said charges may be filed next week.
Dixon was at Wilmington Christian Academy Tuesday night to play in a basketball game.
Onslow County Schools spokeswoman Suzie Ulbrich released the following statement:
"We are aware of an incident that took place in the locker room at Wilmington Christian Academy in New Hanover County Tuesday evening prior to a basketball game. We are cooperating fully with law enforcement. A Dixon High School student allegedly involved in the incident is currently on summary suspension pending the outcome of a thorough investigation by the school and by the New Hanover County Sheriff's Department in cooperation with the Onslow County Sheriff's Department."