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Jobs, Small Business, Candidates and Politicians
Original post made by Paul Losch, a resident of Palo Alto, on Mar 4, 2010
Tax credits? I'm not looking for tax credit. I am, as are many peers I talk with, trying to make sure that I am running a viable business. Tax credits are downstream, the business has to be viable before tax credits kick in. If I am making money, I am happy to pay taxes.
Here is what makes small businesses suffer, IMHO--all the *&%$# insurance costs--medical (as I choose to offer to employees and for my own benefit,) liability, property, workmans compensation--easily over 10% of company revenues. Cost of doing business, and excessive. Excessive rent when buildings near my company sit empty. Minimal order quantities from vendors when sales volume is from my customers is down.
"Too small to succeed" is the plight of small businesses. "Too big to fail" is what some of the assholes that attended Harvard Business School, as I did, managed to cajole tons of money out of W before he left office and Obama since he became President.
Neither party has a clue what small businesses are about. W talked about it while he was in office, with little to show for it. He never had a real job in which he succeded, business-wise, he was just using "Daddy." The Texas Rangers don't count.
Obama talks it up as well, and his time as a community organizer, a law professor and a politician also is showing litle understanding.
When it comes to the race for California Governor, only Steve Poizer comes close to understanding what a small business experiences. Meg Whitman, for all that she has accomplished in her business career, has been part of corporate environments from the time she started at Procer and Gamble and left EBay. Jerry Brown is hopeless when it comes to experience in this realm.
Smart or stupid, if you have not been there and done that, you can spout the platitudes, and not understand what it is to make a payroll and maintain a viable enterprise.
Let alone hire more employees thanks to a "tax credit."
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a resident of Midtown
on Mar 4, 2010 at 7:15 pm
If you were an advocate of limited government and free markets, I would have sympathy for you.
a resident of Meadow Park
on Mar 4, 2010 at 7:42 pm
Gotta agree, R Wray.
The expression "you made your bed, now you gotta lie in it" comes to mind.
The shadenfreude wears thin, though..because
Unfortunately, the rest of us have to lie in it also. And all our now-ex employees.
All the dems and half the repubs have to go..any one of them who supported the Community Reinvestment Act, which "cajoled" banks into giving the keys of houses to folks with no money down, no jobs, nothing..guaranteed failures, but at least diversity in home ownership was achieved!
Over the screams of a few conservatives who were just waking up, but called racists.
The Dem controlled congress, and most of the Repubs, voted for the "bailouts" over the screaming of conservatives.
And the votes for ever more debt, stealing from us and our children to prop up businesses that should have failed..all over ever growing screams from conservatives.
Insurances rise as more and more regulation requires silly stuff to be covered..like language translation ( I thought it was supposed to be MEDICAL insurance!!!) chiropractic, aromatherapy etc. C'mon..who you gonna blame in CA for these laws??? Remember what health insurance USED to cover, for a lot less? Who paid what legislators to "force" all insurances to cover silly things?
Liability insurance..join the club..what do you think health care workers/doctors have to pay and who do they pass the cost onto? Who do you think has made us such a litigious society we have to insure against absurd lawsuits?
Workmen's Comp...same problems as liability..
Property costs: limited housing, from what??? ( do I hear the din of silence from environmentalists limiting housing?)
Taxes..from which State govt, controlled fully by whom..have all these taxes come?
Other States have much better business climates in all these areas...why?
Gotta admire your willingness to post such an honest post...but for some of us, we learned these lessons long ago, and tried to stop us from going this far down the path..but were outvoted every time.
I suggest listening to McClintock more often. You will find you are agreeing with him more often now.
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Mar 4, 2010 at 7:53 pm
some of us are just tired of politicians and their talk...but I have to mention, I understand Obama was not a "law professor" but rather an adjunct instructor. SIf so, quite a difference. Someone want to confirm that?
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 4, 2010 at 8:58 pm
Well said, R Wray!
Now Paul: I thought the man with the nice voice explained that we need to spread the wealth around, and that the government needs to run all the important stuff like banks, cars, insurance, education and health care. Did you not get the memo? We are not supposed to worry our pretty little heads about this stuff. Remember, we are the change we've been waiting for. Or was it the hope we've hoping for? Whatever.
Eventually, you'll have to buy food insurance and fill out claim forms at the government supermarket.
a resident of Meadow Park
on Mar 4, 2010 at 9:00 pm
Correct, he taught some classes, he was not a professor.
W had an MBA..it showed in the business policies he supported, which, btw, led to a great and furious economic recovery from 9/11, so much so, I might add, that we had the most money, in real dollars, come into our Federal coffers....ever...you know, from those "dumb" eonomic policies from a guy who held on to the coattails of daddy.
right..please give me back "dumb" with results like that.
With the current policies in place then, we would have sunk long and deeply into a recession...depression? Don't know.
If we follow JFK, Reagan and Bush's policies toward economic stress, we would be business friendly, and our economy would blossom, again. Even Clinton got the call after the 1994 rage of the people, and allowed Repubs ( who were still conservative, before they were corrupted with their power and largesse) to put in place a few good things to return some to Reaganomics. Tada!! Economic turnaround. Still some bigger govt ideas snuck in, and started to recess us a bit by the end of term, but this was on the way to being returned to normal by 9/11.
But, I am thinking we still have to learn our lesson a little longer, with a Carter Squared POTUS, Senate and House in charge ... Nore and more folks are seeing the light, and the light is RED for STOP!!
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 5, 2010 at 7:14 am
Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.
About 15 years ago I replaced 3 employees with two computers.
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 5, 2010 at 6:12 pm
Wow, the W "revisionists" are out in full force on this one!
Careful folks, as we go down the rabbit hole!
a resident of Professorville
on Mar 6, 2010 at 9:29 am
I agree with R Wray's comment: "If you were an advocate of limited government and free markets, I would have sympathy for you."
Re Obama: he was an adjunct professor, and thus never subject to the review process that a professor on a tenure track would be.
Also, nothing in BHO's bio shows that he ever worked in a for-profit business in his life. It's all alien to him.
a resident of Mountain View
on Mar 6, 2010 at 2:46 pm
Most of these posts show that many Americans need badly to see the US as one country among many and not floating in splendid, shining isolation in outer space.
The current stimulus spending has only recently passed a single year's worth of US trade deficits through most of this decade. Where do people think that money went? It's not with all the missing socks.
Americans in the coming decade will have to take perhaps a one third cut in income either through simple reduction or inflation. During the Bush years the US took a dive in the economic wars and was defeated, as simple as that. The transfer of wealth and technology out of the US is historic in scope. But Bush still thinks Sun Tzu is a fancy dessert. Oil imports are not paid for with exports either.
With the bubbles and distortion of the import economy on the tab the labor market is distorted and not flexible enough partly due to the tie of jobs and medical insurance. That tie also helps to cause pervasive age discrimination in the labor market - there are millions of people who are unlikely to work again even if they get realistic and try to get jobs as floor sweepers and servants.
If currencies aren't free traded, nothing else is. The artificial low prices lulled the voters who assumed the government minded the store somewhat. The Bush government quietly borrowed it back to finance tax cuts and checks for the favored, wars, and an oddly ineffectual, bloated government. It also financed new heights in US arrogance and unilateralism often directed at the people lending the US the money to operate who are serious adversaries anyway. What brilliance. Republicans are now saying essentially that the world will continue to bankroll the US because we are so very nice and the pinnacle of human civilization. Clearly they drove real Conservatives out years ago. They have no use for them.
Little or nothing can be changed in Washington or Sacramento unless our pay-to-play system of financing politics is changed. It's called corruption everywhere but here and countries like Indonesia and Russia have cracked and been administered by the IMF because of it. We are not too big to fail but are too big to rescue. Unfortunately it's a Constitutional defect - there's no Jefferson's Wall between politics and money. The Supreme Court graciously reminded us of this a few months ago. By the way - if Bush killed off American Exceptionalism, the Court dug a hole and buried it. Fortunately the current President and Sec'y of State seem to have figured that out.
One of the serious effects of our pay-to-play system is that medical care and finance together will eat around 1/4 US GDP this year and growing. That's unsustainable and is stifling US development and recovery. That large banks make too much, and too risky,
money elsewhere to be bothered doing commercial banking in the US is stifling development and recovery. So is their 'carry trade' and shorting of the US dollar. Main Street and Wall Street have few common interests now. Stimulus payments are partly shipped offshore immediately by the import economy, probably back to where they were borrowed from leaving the principal and interest to be paid off. Another effect of pay-to-play is that tech companies around here have bought programs to help move themselves offshore at taxpayer's expense.
Anyway, we know that California needs to simplify and cut the expense of starting businesses. It needs a new Constitution. It needs to reset many of the Propositions. But without reforming pay-to-play it's all nearly futile. The unstable derivatives world can sink us at any time. Unfunded obligations from Washington are a hemorrhage. None of the great strengths of California are mentioned above. There's no space, but the point is that old formulas now, good or bad, have become almost nit-picking.
a resident of Mountain View
on Mar 6, 2010 at 3:25 pm
"When it comes to the race for California Governor, only Steve Poizer comes close to understanding what a small business experiences. Meg Whitman, for all that she has accomplished in her business career, has been part of corporate environments from the time she started at Procer and Gamble and left EBay. Jerry Brown is hopeless when it comes to experience in this realm."
Don't know enough about Poizner(sp?) at this point, but a solid part of Whitman's business plan must have been to move as much offshore as possible. That wouldn't help California much. Brown's recent experience as mayor of Oakland might well have given him different and more viable views about Main Street than ex-corporate executives would have. And Main Street is where jobs come from in California as well as Oakland. Most companies weren't started/funded by a Silicon Valley VC firm.
IMO, we need to listen to all of them and try to see through the advertising fog of the campaign process. The current office of Governor of California is not that strong though.
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 7, 2010 at 12:26 am
Wray is Ayn Rand fan. Hopeless. Limited government? Free markets? Wray, you're living in tour head, a pure ideologue. Wray, tell us what we should have done with steel, auto, and financial sectors. What is your opinion of what should have been done? btw, Rand
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 7, 2010 at 9:22 am
Ideas are what separate us from animals.
There should be separation of economics and government just as there should be separation of church and state (and for the same reasons). We (the government) should have removed regulations and subsidies. We should not use government funds to bailout labor unions or anyone else. A free market would have corrected long ago.
a resident of Meadow Park
on Mar 7, 2010 at 3:04 pm
Yes. Millions of people voting with their wallets for which companies survive and which don't correct markets faster and with greater precision than a guy behind a desk making the decisions..who neither spends his own money on the products nor invests his own money on the companies being bailed out.
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 8, 2010 at 5:11 pm
"A free market would have corrected long ago."
It did, in 1929. Nobody's been brave(?) enough to let it do it again.
a resident of Mountain View
on Mar 8, 2010 at 9:30 pm
"Ideas are what separate us from animals."
If you don't say 'other animals' you have already stacked the deck in favor of the one-dimensional 'qua-man' model of people necessary to Rand's economics. Anyway, we also have more history than just the one passed by our genes. We have culture also, though other animals pass on learned behavior on a much smaller scale.
Our adventures with derivatives have shown yet again that Libertarianism is a failed idea; historically it appears to be a doppelganger for Communism another failure in its respective way. Rand's biography makes this plain enough. Why would anyone think that markets/Capitalism, a human activity for human purposes and motives, could be self correcting and governing? We don't have to believe that and not think that people would not corrupt their workings politically and otherwise.
In the late 1800's until the Depression was a time of booms, busts, crashes, bank runs, and so on. When we had the period of financial 'reforms' around when Glass-Steagall was eliminated, one act was called the Financial Modernization act. What was done was to not only do the needed updates but to discard the wisdom of the regulations directed to human behavior which doesn't change.
Now the resulting financial monsters can easily buy Congress thanks to our political pay-to-play system, an old problem from our beginnings. Bailing out the big banks without breaking them up means they can now play even riskier games effectively insured by us. The banks are becoming not too big to fail, just too big to rescue. Just like the United States.
Remember when Greenspan confessed to Congress that he didn't understand why the banks didn't take better care of themselves? He apparently confused the Corporate Person with a real one. Of course the real ones behind the corporate facade did very well indeed. Greenspan turned out to be a Rand fan; deregulation worked until it didn't, as always.
a resident of Meadow Park
on Mar 9, 2010 at 5:47 am
"deregulation worked until it didn't, as always."
witness Russia, China, Cuba, Venezuela,all NAZI ( National Socialist Party, recall) countries, and every other small and large socialist and communist country, and please recite after me
"regulation never works..as always"
You can point to one year here and there as "proof" of the failures of min regs, but if you connect the dots across history, you see that leaving slumps alone self-correct much faster and don't dive as much as when our "govt" tries to fix them.
Note the Great Depression of 1920 that nobody ever talks about, ..look it up! Why don't you know about it? Because we left it alone except to lower taxes and regs,..and we ended up with the roaring 20s. Why do we know so much about the 1929 crash? Because our knee jerk reaction, then as now, was to panic and beg Govt to step in..which made it worse,for longer.
Again, I trust the vote of millions of wallets to pick our winners and losers, over a few bureacrats with agendae.
Leave "the economy" alone, and it corrects itself with the wisdom of millions.
Please read the local SJ Merc News Editorial by SJ State Asst Prof of Econ if you are interested in a nicely written, short and easy to grasp lesson in econ
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I'll take them email me at davedellingerATyahooDOTcom
These are some oddball parts from my Yugo m92 kit. Before I trash them maybe someone here who is Legally allowed to use this stuff might want them . I see they are different than all the other ones I have trashed so it seems a shame to trash them, but if nobody here is interested They are going to the torch tommarrow. FREE, no strings attached just send me whatever address you would like them sent too. Just thought I could help out, but please let me know if this is stupid.
Disclaimer- Of course all NFA rules apply, for study or legal conversion yada yada yada you guys know the drill. No sending to CA or wherever prohibited.
I'll take them email me at davedellingerATyahooDOTcom
Dude you just threw out a front latch for a bulgarian side folder. Great find and for free!
the guy who sold me that M 92 is going to be pissed when he trys to put together the Bulgy Krink he had on the same table! He handed me the wrong parts bag... I tought they were secret squirrel M 92 parts this whole time Lol
Hopefully he was not really a friend.
No not a friend , a cash deal with nameless guy at a gunshow many moons ago. No way to track him down.
Gotta be parts from the Bulgy, as none of the M92's I have ever built have those parts included with the kit! I cut apart my last M92 Kit today & the rust, leftovers from drilling the holes thru the front trunion, was unbelievable as to how bad it was. No damage to the trunion, but still amazing as to see that much corroding going on in a brand new gun. The original receiver had lots of damage to it, not including the sawcut right behind the trunion in the magwell..
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Ugly is built downtown
Original post made by [removed], San Ramon Valley High School, on Aug 4, 2011
West Danville neighborhoods have been introduced to UGLY in the same manner as MVHS neighbors. SRVHS has its own solar power generation station under construction that offends neighbors and Iron Horse Trail users enough to add their angry voices against the SRVUSD board. And still there is no coverage or SRVUSD commentary to answer such anger.
"What if Trader Joe's wanted to build a solar carport?" noted Andrea, "Would Danville stand idly by and let it happen?" Clearly, Danville government would not likely let such an ugly indistrial structure be built elsewhere in the downtown so it forces the question of why SRVUSD was allowed to be so offensive?
It will be interesting news to see how such anger translates in the 2012 SRVUSD board elections and any further parcel tax measure.
a resident of Alamo
on Aug 4, 2011 at 9:18 am
finally, something you and i agree on. but let's start at the top with the fearless leader of the schools according to this morning cctimes he stated they were spending 23.something million on these fiascos.. but he stated they intend to save between 7 and ten million in the next 16 years..that means in 32 years they may have been paid for. whaty a great bargin for the taxpayer.. we'll invest this money at 0 percent int. for 32 years and sounds like they expect no maint. or upkeep anyhow i agree with you it's ugly but do'nt get used to me agreeing
a resident of Diablo
on Aug 4, 2011 at 9:48 am
Why does Hal hate sunshine?
You don't suppose... Who's his dentist, anyway?
a resident of another community
on Aug 4, 2011 at 10:06 am
Dear Editor,
When the choice is jumping to a conclusion or jumping off reality, it is more likely that I'd rather walk backwards to keep the wind out of my eyes. As members of ZANT alternative energy projects enjoy this exchange each technologist can laugh at the thought of hating sunshine. With exceptional, light-weight, high-efficiency solar panels now commercialized for roof top installation, ZANT associates, including Hal Bailey and CDSI members, can understand that sunshine is valuable when it is used economically and not in obsolete carports that industrialize SRVUSD campuses.
Of Ralph with a tear in his eye
a resident of Blackhawk
on Aug 4, 2011 at 10:46 am
Is it really costing 23+ million? I can't believe the school district is spending funds on this when they keep complaining about not having enough funds for the students and prey on parents to fund them. Guess I won't be brining my checkbook to registration anymore!
a resident of Danville
on Aug 4, 2011 at 10:59 am
Yes, Susan, it is actually being funded by 25 mill from QSCBs (Qualified School Construction Bonds) which is diguesting. That money is supposed to be used to bulid or renovate schools, not be put towards a project to give us kudos for being "green". It makes me sick to think of all of the older California schools who really need help with seismic retrofit and generally falling down buildings who need this kind of money. I, too will be leaving my checkbook at home!!! (Also, with CA in such bad shape, why was this program left in tact?)
a resident of Danville
on Aug 5, 2011 at 4:33 am
I would like the school district to share the savings from each school monthly with the public that is paying for this project. We have been told this will save the district a specific amount of money on electricity and they should list on their site or the local paper the past and present costs with projected and actual savings. Then they can use the savings to improve the schools which are in such bad shape.
a resident of San Ramon Valley High School
on Aug 5, 2011 at 6:36 am
The 25 mill is for all schhols and when are we finlly going to understand going green is the right thing to do
a resident of San Ramon Valley High School
on Aug 5, 2011 at 7:01 am
Dear Editor,
Solar power generation does not require the very industrial superstructure that is the ugliness of the MVHS and SRVHS massive solar power generation stations. Even Sunpower, the provider of the SRVUSD panels, is moving to light-weight roof top panel technology.
What is being installed by SRVUSD is 20th century technology that is rapidly becoming end-of-life. Going forward, maintenance and replacement panels will not be supported by solar manufacturers and the industrial superstructure will not be needed for efficient, light-weight, flexible panels that use elemental sunlight collection rather than industrial tracking systems.
a resident of Danville
on Aug 5, 2011 at 7:57 am
On the contrary, the high efficiency sunpower/tracker installations being done are far more cost-effective than the low efficiency thin-film roof top systems that are still emerging. The SunPower systems are about 20% efficient, and having them track to produce longer during the day produces more power. The typically 10% efficient thin film systems are twice as large for the same peak output, and in being so large are more expensive to mount, and therefore harder to track. Given so many square feet of well oriented available space, tracked/high efficiency systems produce much more power power for the same investment -- the bottom line on all solar power projects is dollars per produced kilowatt hour. Thin film might, in 5 or 10 years, produce watts cheaper, but not yet; in the meantime, people (and schools) are paying PG&E rates for power.
As I've said before, I don't think the structures over parking lots are particularly ugly, especially compared to the intrinsic ugliness of an impermeable paved parking lot, empty or filled with vehicles.
In answer to the question about whether Trader Joes's could put such things over their lot, they'd have a problem with the street visibility for the other stores in the complex, making it tricky for that site independent of what review Danville may be able to impose. However, not that Federal law prohibits arbitrary limitations on solar projects, as part of a policy to encourage renewable energy supply.
I bother to post here to suggest that not everyone in the neighborhood thinks all changes are bad.
a resident of Danville
on Aug 5, 2011 at 8:10 am
Where was everyone when the school board was having meetings about these solar panels being installed? That was the time to vent and present dissenting views.
a resident of Danville
on Aug 5, 2011 at 8:19 am
so dbrower, this is a tracker carport? never heard of that...
a resident of Danville
on Aug 5, 2011 at 9:20 am
Hey folks, don't knock it. It was all done with FREE GOVERNMENT MONEY!
a resident of Danville
on Aug 5, 2011 at 9:37 am
Why on earth would anyone say that the design of the solar carports is any more obtrusive or ugly than seeing a parking lot black top!
Get a life!
a resident of Alamo
on Aug 5, 2011 at 10:17 am
This entire BS about Solar Power is a total waste of taxpayers money. It is only warm and fuzzy to the folks that believe the sun will serve our energy needs now and long into the future. Your are living in fantasy land folks.
You will all realize but I'm sure none of you will ever admit that we the people are getting screwed by the brain dead folks that control your little life.
In time, but only after you are milked...You'll see what I talking about.
Thanks, Julia Pardini from Alamo
a resident of Diablo
on Aug 5, 2011 at 10:55 am
Time for a new school board and superintendent?
a resident of Alamo
on Aug 5, 2011 at 11:59 am
Duffy, Gaby, Cathy, Susan, JJJ-
Qualified School Construction bonds are from the American Reinvestment and Recovery Act. Remember that whole recession and people out of work thing? These bonds were initiated to put skilled people to work. Financial analysts reviewed this project for over a year, it took several highly skilled and trained PV-engineers to design, hundreds of skilled construction workers and contractors will be building this project.
Think of it like the New Deal from the depression… that took government money too, and is still paying dividends (in fact, many of those FILTHY powerplants you all seem to love, were built with this kind of money). But of course, its not built in your backyard, but someone much less wealthy than you. The panels are manufactured in Milpitas keeping the jobs at home and not outsourcing the manufacturing abroad. Decreasing trade deficits one project at a time. Try buying American more often!
Schools that needed the money were allocated it first Oakland, Sacramento, Stockton, Compton, LA, Long beach got this money over 2 years ago already. If the money does not get allocated by the district within the year it is distributed, it gets returned to the California Department of Education… use it or lose it. The money is backed by bonds which were released to investors who believe in safe, long term investments. Considering MVHS and SRV have rebuilt almost every building on their campus since 2000, they have decided to use the money to generate INCOME over the next 40 years.
Hal, and others- Sunpower tilt-axis systems are not antiquated. They are some of the most efficient systems the world has. Billions of dollars are being spent on systems like this because they are 1) consistent 2) cheaper than traditional methods of generating power 3) are proven. The cost of a manufacturing facility for panels like this is over $2BN, do you realize how DIFFICULT it would be to change a $2BN facility to produce a completely different type of panel? These types of panels will be supported for a long time and come with a 25 year warranty- the manufacturers have this taken care of.
Think of it like this- Energy consuming devices change rapidly (your Flat screen TV, computer, etc). Energy PRODUCING devices stay the same with time. Power is power. Coal, oil, hydro, solar, wind. Have been around for decades and the technology REALLY hasnt changed.
Sunpower is a premier commercial solar intergrator in the world. They are very high quality, have integrated thousands of large projects worldwide with governments, schools, and commercial buildings.
They are using the high efficiency panels for $2 million in savings a year to the school. MINIMUM expected lifespan of the system is 25 years, realistically 40 because their panels degrade at .8%/yr.
Thin film, or light-weight roof applications that someone suggested degrade rapidly. They're cheap cheap cheap, and produce almost no power after year 7 and contains VERY TOXIC chemicals.
Dare I say, the people who research the financials/construction on SunPower projects have more expertise than anyone complaining on this forum.
Julia Pardini- energy must be solved comprehensively. Coal and oil will only get us so far. Same with solar. Solar, wind, and hydropower are solutions we NEED to use TOGETHER for a growing popoulation and aging energy grid. Did you know that almost 10% of energy is LOST when transported from huge powerplants to your home. What waste! That said, your large powerplants will still be here for years to come, so dont fret. Keep buying power from PGE which increases in price at 7% a year. Ill keep my solar which I will buy once, and use for the rest of my life at 1/3 of the cost of what you are doing.
I'd like to think that I have time to speak with each one of you openly about solar, but I know that you have already made up your minds, mostly with outdated, inaccurate information.
I find myself feeling obligated to correct you with facts.
I expected a better more educated response from such a 'respectable' community.
Now, back to work.
a resident of Danville
on Aug 5, 2011 at 12:19 pm
R M and the all "greens" out there
It is thoughts like yours who have created the finanacial mess both at the CA state level and Federal level. Again, this money should be used to build and renovate school buildings, not build projects that we won't see "cost-savings" from for 20+ years.
Our students need this money invested in them NOW, not years from now. MVHS has not rebulit everything on their campus and really does need money for updating. There are still many portable classrooms on the campus and don't get me started on technology issues.
I am not against solar for those who are willing to wait for the return on their investment. I am just against the school district, who doesn't have the money, putting the idea of getting their kudos for being green above the current students who need that money NOW to fix current problems. It really is an oxymoron when 25 mill was spent on this project, yet we parents will still be asked for our "donation" per student because the school doesn't have enough money!
a resident of Diablo
on Aug 5, 2011 at 12:45 pm
The Know-Nothings -- Often in error, but Never in doubt.
Thanks, RM, that was refreshingly factual, and rational. Take notes please, KNs!
a resident of Danville
on Aug 5, 2011 at 12:45 pm
I'm sure there was some argument of logic put out there that this project will PAY FOR ITSELF (probably because of Government subsidies and artificial supporting/supplementing of this "green" business).
And probably also the argument that, if we don't take up on these Governmental subsidies or tax breaks now, then those millions of dollars will be gone.....so it would be irresponsible to not take those funds now for our local usage.
It's the same old Government tricks and tactics that have been luring our Cities and School Districts into over-spending and poor principals in political thinking and controlled alteration of our decision-making and behaviors according to other's powerful agendas.
But at least some company/industry is making a lot of money (should we call it graft) and some jobs are "created".
a resident of another community
on Aug 5, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Dear Editor,
This is good exchange of information, positions and points of view and I would hope it would serve as a model for continued dialogue and reader's research.
Crystalline Solar PV panels have been the most efficient when compared to the initial thin film technologies. Moving forward, your readers are going to need to look at newly commercializing technologies that afford efficiencies in light-weight plug-n-play flexible panels suitable to roof top installations and >160 degrees of light gathering without industrial tracking superstructures.
It is appropriate to disclose that CDSI member technologists have been commercializing such new technologies with exceptional cost-effective, competitive-efficiency and operable life results. In order to understand the immediate future of solar PV, readers should review First Solar, Solarworld, Total/Sunpower and many other major producers. Also, National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL.gov) provides in-depth presentation of Solar PV, Solar Thermal, Thermal-Active, and other renewable power technologies including the realities of performance for such technologies.
What is reality in a rapidly accelerating alternative energy marketplace is technologies beyond the 20th century technologies of the massive solar power generation stations now in place on SRVUSD campuses. Such industrial installations are quite suited to open space environments but detract from neighborhoods in urban/suburban settings.
The reality of the massive solar power generation stations versus the presentations of solar carports by SRVUSD during public review are exceptionally different. Neighbors were not provided real perspectives for the massive, imposing nature of such industrialization in their neighborhoods. The simply reality is there is no continuing technical justification for such industrialization of our communities and neighborhoods.
a resident of Danville
on Aug 5, 2011 at 1:38 pm
Calling the use of stimulus funds "graft" is like calling your comment "sedition." Both are ridiculous to the point of absurdity.
In some contrast to the Wall Street bailout, at least the stimulus funds -- like for these panels and those used to repave 680 -- will have some enduring infrastructure value. And they will also help create demand from actual people who do the jobs underwritten thereby. When taxpayers bailed out the banks, the money disappeared into their very deep pockets, never to be lent again.
Can't you express an honest policy disagreement without accusing innocent people of criminal conduct?
a resident of Danville
on Aug 5, 2011 at 2:18 pm
I think solar and green initiatives are great. But I have to say that when a school board official says that they will be getting a savings of $7 to $10 million over 16 years on an investment of approx $25M, many of us think they are complete buffoons.
At that rate, they are saving about $500K per year. That would be equivalent to a 2% return on thier $25M. Leave it in the bank for peet's sake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
a resident of Alamo
on Aug 5, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Just to retort, again with facts.
I am a true fiscal conservative. I am "green" for investments that have proven, long term, financial benefit. Are you thinking short term that you think that the English building, language building gym, pool, etc that have all been rebuilt in the past 10 years should be rebuilt again?!? What is the financial return on the pool that MVHS rarely uses? Or are you irked that in order to support a school that has PHENOMENAL test scores and sends their graduates to WORLD CLASS universities asks for a donation of $100 for lab fees at the start of the year? If the school is losing money, seems like a pretty good idea for them to start investing in something that generates income. Private institutions like Athenian School are well ahead of that.
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Forget the environment, Im arguing for greenback bills into the govt sector so that we can get rid of this financial mess!
I encourage PSmacintosh to view that solar energy actually pays for itself in shorter time (coal powerplants take 40 years to recoup investments, while receiving 54% of subsidies). Solar only 3%. Solar is at grid parity in 16 years commercially [and 6-8 years residentially)... pretty impressive and a 3-4x better investment than continuing to buy old school fuel.
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Most solar companies make thin margins. Fortunately for you PS Mactintosh Sunpower is publicly traded. I encourage you to take a look at the profits and other ratios of these companies and compare side by side. This money was not dumped into some profit machine... like say PGE, shell, or chevron- which has signifcantly more govt financial support.
As for massive, imposing structures, I sure as heck remember driving past whitegate when there were horse pastures there. I remember there being a horse pasture where the houses BEHIND the parking lot are. I also remember burning my rear-end getting into my car because the MVHS blacktop heats up so much after a day at school.
**This is a long term financial win for the school- bonds were raised, paid for by investors, and ARRA funds are independent of contributions you will be asked for at the start of the school year (Web Link). ARRA funds cannot be used to pay for your kids art or science lab fees.
**Theres no such thing as a short term financial win in the public sector because that involves risk.
**This is an environmental win.
**This is an aesthetic neutral- yes, those who purchased newly built homes placed on previously quaint ranch properties in the early 90s will look at a covered parking structure instead of the previously barren blacktop (which was also previously a horseback riding school. Your kids vehicle paint will last longer and they wont burn their butts sitting down.
Hal- I agree.
Thin film will again be a part of a comprehensive energy solution in the world of energy, but integrators like my company and Sunpower have not found a way to sell/design/install/WARRANTY it as efficiently as crystalline.
BUT ARRA funds would be gone by the end of the year if they didnt use them?
Thin-film will continue to emerge, with BIPV in residential and commercial sector, but crystalline will always play a part too.
Personally, I wish the forum had been this long when MVHS Principal Becky Smith decided to get a personal golf cart for campus.
a resident of Danville
on Aug 5, 2011 at 2:27 pm
The reality is that the SRVUSD is not getting some future benefit, it is getting a $2million/yr reduction in its operating budget immediately on installing these systems. This is why it makes sense to do it sooner rather than later, even if the technology available later would be more cost effective. The $2 million is money that is available for other uses, immediately.
$25M returning $2M cash a year is a 7.6% return; that's a good investment for the SRVUSD.
As to the looks, I like solar panels just fine, which is why I'm spending my own money to get them on my own roof. I'd do trackers too, but they don't work as well economically at the small scale of a home installation. The school installations are tracking dozens of panels with single actuators, which is much more cost-effective.
a resident of Danville
on Aug 5, 2011 at 4:30 pm
Speaking of facts, RM
Obviously you are a person who doesn't completely read what is written and don't have actual FACTS about what money is asked for by the schools. I don't know when or if you ever had children at MVHS, but you mention completely different structures than what I referred to and the pool is very heavily used, so therefore you are the unknowledgeable one.
I know this money can't be used for labs fees, but it sure can be used to replace portable with buildings and seismically retrofit unsafe ones and update technology!!! Obviously, you don't understand sarcasm, but I wouldn't expect you to when someone goes after your "pet" project.
Also, how much have the windmills helped in the pass near Livermore? All this "green" technology advancement needs to be put on hold until this country can fix the budget. Solar is not yet efficient enough to be worth the cost to a school district! Also, where are we supposed to put our used CFLs with the mercury that will damage our water supply. People aren't going to drive to Martinez to get rid of them, they will just throw them in the trash. You "green people" need to think it through completely, BEFORE precious monies are spent.
I am sure you won't read this completely through either, so enjoy your glass house!
a resident of Danville
on Aug 5, 2011 at 5:06 pm
lets all smoke some weed and calm down...
a resident of Alamo
on Aug 6, 2011 at 8:48 am
well said cathy
a resident of Danville
on Aug 6, 2011 at 11:27 am
All the GREENIE LOVERS in this posting need to ask one question.....Why does Al Gore...the daddy of Green everything...still fly around in his PRIVATE jet from one mansion to another lecturing the unwashed (us) on how to be green? The hypocracy is unbelievable. And the Obamas tell us to eat tofu while they splurge on lobster, ribs, etc etc? Hey better put that younger daughter on weight watchers, Michelle! The whole go green thing is a scam.And the $ spend by the school district is NOT free gov money....check your tax billS!!!
a resident of Alamo
on Aug 6, 2011 at 12:06 pm
I was a student at MVHS when the english, language, gym, etc were being built... poorly. The pool is empty most of the day. Im not sure what economic or educational benefit earthquake retrofitting fairly new buildings would have.
I also earned my eagle project working on watershed/creek restoration.
The altamont pass wind farm produces 1.1TWh a year (thats a lot) and is one of the largest wind farms in the US. It was built in response to the energy crisis of the 70s and is still operations.
Harumph. Well I guess renewables can have long term benefits.
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Again, Im not a green thumb. I just have spent the past 6 years researching green finance and it produces more power, cheaper, than traditional methods, with less governement help- sorry for trying to give you facts.
You can think otherwise, but the numbers show you are wrong.
a resident of Alamo
on Aug 6, 2011 at 12:08 pm
And to anyone who is really FIRED UP about anit-renewable energy in the private or government sector, please continue those sentiments.
It's coming regardless.
a resident of Danville
on Aug 6, 2011 at 12:18 pm
@ Cathy (and 4j, I guess): that is the most petulant, juvenile entry I've ever read on this board (not that it lacks competition for the prize, but you win!). Do you recognize that there's a difference between your angry tone and RM's helpful information? Was your tongue sticking out when you wrote it? Are you being treated for that apoplexy?
@ Travis: I talked with my friend Al Gore, and you really nailed him! He promised to walk, barefoot, to all future engagements (each arranged by carrier pigeon), and wear only sackcloth and ashes. He also asked me to inquire why you seem to think that whatever Anyone else does gives you a free pass to live like a jerk?
And finally, I walked, barefoot, past SRVHS this morning, and characterizing the solar shades as in any way "industrial" is nonsense. It's a Parking Lot, not a nature sanctuary. Industrial is any of the local refineries. Welcome to spin city.
a resident of Danville
on Aug 6, 2011 at 1:25 pm
Again, you lack reading skills. Apparently you were not very involved at MVHS to not know the pool is used for all of the water sports at school and all summer by the Town of Danville. Also, if you were there about 10 years ago, you are young and apparently very naive and still have a lot of research to do with regard to "green" power. The wind farms have been considered a failure and solar will end up with the same grade. If you have a PhD in this area feel free to spout off, but a Boy Scouts "green" Eagle project doesn't cut it. Sorry and obviously you are not one to waste time on!
@ Citizen Paine
Apparently you like the economic situation we have currently at the school district, state and federal level, so just keep on spouting...
Obviously anyone who is for the huge expenditure either doesn't have kids or has money to burn!
a resident of another community
on Aug 6, 2011 at 1:37 pm
Dear Editor,
Let's add some research to this discussion: Web Link.
Of note is this comment from Total, the French Parent of Sunpower: "SunPower has the technology," Mr. Boisseau (President of Total Gas & Power) added. "We already have some of the technology, but we've also got the market and the finance. It's a full industrial combination." In reading the scope of justification for the acquisition of Sunpower, Sunpower installations are recognized as industrial generation stations whether placed on residential, commercial or industrial roofs, over walkways/parking lots or on power plant superstructures. "This is exactly what SunPower needed to compete with the Chinese manufacturers that are getting so much support from their government," Kevin Landis, portfolio manager as Sivest Group, said in an interview. "It also allows SunPower to double down on the technology improvements they'll need to compete in the long run." Total's acquisition strategy includes currently commercial technologies that advance Sunpower products into light-weight, high efficiency, long life plug-n-play panels. While not being installed in USAmerica due to our lack of significant commercialization and installation funding, it will be Total and other global source capital that will allow USAmerican firms to achieve the level of installations being seen throughout the world.
Clearly to assume that solar power generation is not mature and an exceptional addition to our power grid is to ignore the reality of the technology. To assume that we can only have solar power generation stations as industrial superstructures installed in our neighborhoods is to ignore the current diversity of commercial panels and their methods of installation most often on ROOFS, refer to "Macys": Web Link.
Hal, Web Link
a resident of Danville
on Aug 6, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Again, "industrial" is a crock of hyperbolic hooey. Here is a pic of a parking lot with solar panels: Web Link Parental advisory -- shield your children and pets from the spectacle!
There's an ulterior motive working here; I dunno what it is, but the level of hysteria purportedly over aesthetics is nonsense, so it's something else. Did somebody's company lose out on the bid for the project?
a resident of Alamo
on Aug 6, 2011 at 2:51 pm
Dear Editor,
The photo in the previous posting is not of the MVHS or SRVHS superstructure or solar panels. The superstructure shown is a fixed presentation without tracking technology and much smaller than the MVHS installation.
a resident of Danville
on Aug 6, 2011 at 3:28 pm
This just keeps getting sillier.
This is industrial: Web Link
This is A BIG parking lot with solar panels: Web Link It's at AMD, right here in the Bay Area. Ghastly, ain't it?
And Cathy -- many things that are "obvious" to you are neither obvious, nor subtle, nor even true. Time for a valium?
a resident of Danville
on Aug 6, 2011 at 3:53 pm
@ Citizen Paine
OBVIOUSLY, you need to go back and take some good old-fashioned ecomonics classes. Money is not free and doesn't grow on trees! As people like you keep having this, "oh, the government is handing out free money" so let's use it on a project will we owe on for 20+ years. Apparently, like RM, you don't like your "pet" projects being questioned, so you would prefer those of us who disagree with you to take drugs? Nice attitude!!
a resident of Alamo
on Aug 6, 2011 at 3:58 pm
Dear Editor,
This discussion has presented the scope of eanest commentary and rational explanation of current technologies. The key issue is "does an industrial structure, as a solar power generation station, belong in a neighborhood that is not zoned for such industrialization in any other location within the neighborhood? Does SRVUSD, as state managed district, have the right to ignore their good neighbor obligation and build a industrial solar power generation station in violation of the surrounding zoning? And obviously, does a solar power generation station built at Advanced Micro Devices in Santa Clara/Sunnvale industrial park provide any justification of such construction in a suburban neighborhood?
As this exchange declines into the usual defamation, prejudice and ignorance of fact, your fellow news people suggest you close the discussion.
a resident of Danville
on Aug 8, 2011 at 7:14 am
The finances of the project are described in a readily available document from the SRVUSD at Web Link
They asked for local input during the planning stages of the project in 2009, documented in this still available page: Web Link
Given the small properly aligned roof space available, thin film systems wouldn't produce as much power as cheaply as a small number of well aligned, high efficiency systems with trackers. NREL's PVwatts would confirm that.


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While I am probably the most anti-Eagle person on these boards, it's still mostly aimed at their fanbase. No player actually deserves that...
I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite team in the NFL.
out for the yearUpdating a previous item, Jeremy Maclin tore his right ACL in Saturday's training camp practice and will miss the entire 2013 season.
It's a crushing blow. Entering a contract year, Maclin was genuinely excited about his new role in coach Chip Kelly's offense. The Eagles lack a quality backup; Riley Cooper will likely be thrust into the lineup. Kelly's offense was always going to be extremely run heavy, but DeSean Jackson should now emerge as the clear-cut focus of Kelly's passing attack. The Eagles may also take a gander at free agents Brandon Lloyd and Laurent Robinson.
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tough break. wish him the best in his recovery.
Tough break . . . the guy is an excellent player.
Nice to see all of the classy comments in this thread. No matter what the rivalry, no one wants to see a player go down with an injury like that, regardless of what team he's on . . . .
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Lol tough break
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|"The Beast of War"
Rage 3/18
The ancient Shoanti spirit roars in victory as his foes crumble around him. He eagerly presses his attack on the dark folk that remain.
1d20 + 16 + 1 ⇒ (1) + 16 + 1 = 18
1d6 + 21 ⇒ (6) + 21 = 27
1d20 + 11 + 1 ⇒ (8) + 11 + 1 = 20
1d6 + 21 ⇒ (4) + 21 = 25
Hasted Hammer
1d20 + 16 + 1 ⇒ (17) + 16 + 1 = 34
1d6 + 21 ⇒ (4) + 21 = 25
1d20 + 9 + 1 ⇒ (6) + 9 + 1 = 16
1d4 + 8 + 1d6 ⇒ (3) + 8 + (2) = 13
1d20 + 9 + 1 ⇒ (16) + 9 + 1 = 26
1d4 + 8 + 1d6 ⇒ (3) + 8 + (5) = 16
1d20 + 9 + 1 ⇒ (19) + 9 + 1 = 29
1d6 + 8 + 1d6 ⇒ (6) + 8 + (6) = 20
Attacking stalker #3 after creeper #12 goes down.
|DM Are
Two swings from Appario's sword takes down one creeper in a combustion of light, while his third swing goes deep into another, although without bringing it down.
Fortitude (Derek): 1d20 + 4 ⇒ (1) + 4 = 5
Fortitude (Creeper #9): 1d20 + 5 ⇒ (16) + 5 = 21
(plus Appario's first roll)
Duration: 1d6 ⇒ 2 (minimum 1 round for the creeper)
The light blinds Derek for 2 rounds, and also blinds the remaining creeper, although Appario withstands the blinding effect.
Three hammer strikes, whereof the first misses wildly, decimates the chain-blinded creeper. As usual, a combustion of bright light follows.
Fortitude (The Beast): 1d20 + 15 ⇒ (11) + 15 = 26
(plus Appario's second roll)
Duration: 1d6 ⇒ 5
Misfortune reroll (Appario): 1d20 + 7 ⇒ (14) + 7 = 21
Both Appario and The Beast avoid succumbing to blindness.
After a shift of its feet, The Beast's hooves and horns gouge deeply into the nearest stalker. Despite the mauling, it remains standing.
Up next: Derek, Yahirma, Semenya.
|Derek Keegan
|DM Are
Her illusion largely unappreciated for all of her targets being blind, Yahirma quickly ties off the magical weave and hopes that it might stay viable long enough to remain threatening. Stops concentrating, leaving the illusory serpent-creature only 2 rounds of duration It continues to gnash and hiss, perhaps keeping the dark folk concerned.
Taking advantage of the confusion sewn among her enemies, Yahirma ducks under the magical chain as it lashes out once more at Creeper #12. She skids to a halt after dashing to H12 with haste-impelled steps, and there she conjures a second chain of force (K13) that whips around the commander's feet before yanking sharply.
Chain 1 blinds Creeper #12 (5/7 rounds) 1d20 + 12 ⇒ (3) + 12 = 15
Chain 2 trips Commander (1/7 rounds), includes +2 to hit a blind target and might target "flat-footed" CMD 1d20 + 14 ⇒ (7) + 14 = 21
Minor Image makes noise (1/2 rounds)
|DM Are
I'll just point out that Creeper #12 is no longer among the living. The only two enemies left standing near the chain are Stalker #2 and Stalker #3. However, a 15 is a miss regardless of which of these targets is chosen (it would be a hit against a blind creeper, but reaching one of those that remain requires the chain to move).
I'm already counting the -2 AC for blinded targets (as well as losing Dex to AC), so the additional +2 to hit would be a double penalty :)
Both of Yahirma's chains fail to hit their chosen targets, but the whipping noises near the commander's feet still stops him in his tracks.
Even as the chain returns to Yahirma's side after Derek's move leaves it in the supernatural darkness and thus out of her sight, the commander drops to one knee. He sets his axes down on the ground beside him, then lifts his arms above his head.
"I can't defend myself. I surrender to your mercy."
Semenya sends another pair of firey magic missiles into each of two more creepers.
Fire damage (Creeper #9): 2d4 + 10 ⇒ (4, 1) + 10 = 15
Fire damage (Creeper #10): 2d4 + 10 ⇒ (2, 1) + 10 = 13
One dies, combusting into bright light, while the other appears to be on the verge of death.
Fortitude (Appario): 1d20 + 7 ⇒ (15) + 7 = 22
Once again, Appario's eyes withstand the intensity of the light.
One stalker reopens its eyes, no longer blinded. It picks up one of the weapons it dropped while stunned earlier, and sees the serpentine creature before it. The stalker steps closer and attacks.
Will disbelief: 1d20 + 2 ⇒ (18) + 2 = 20
Upon seeing his sword pass straight through the creature with no effect, the stalker hisses in anger at having been fooled by a mere illusion.
The remaining (all blind) stalkers and creepers remain unmoving, simply attempting to keep some sort of active defense.
Up next: The PCs.
|Appario Lind
Round 6, Init 20
Appario shields his face from the multiple explosions, trying to keep his eyes from bleaching in the blasts.
Hearing the Commander's words, Appario races to accept honorable surrender in combat.
Appario will Spring Attack Stalker#1 (who asked for no quarter) on his way to the Commander ending up in J12, blocking Yahirma's path to the Commander.
1d20 + 12 + 1 ⇒ (16) + 12 + 1 = 29 to hit;
1d10 + 1d6 + 5 ⇒ (3) + (3) + 5 = 11 damage.
"Drop your axe, on your knees. I will accept your surrender. What is your name?" Appario will address the Commander, while nodding to Yahirma.
"Watch my back, Yahirma. This one has asked for quarter."
|"The Beast of War"
Rage 4/18
Shaking the shreds of filthy rag and bits of gore from his horns, the bestial spirit advances on his remaining foes.
1d20 + 16 + 1 ⇒ (7) + 16 + 1 = 24
1d6 + 21 ⇒ (3) + 21 = 24
1d20 + 11 + 1 ⇒ (19) + 11 + 1 = 31
1d6 + 21 ⇒ (2) + 21 = 23
Hasted Hammer
1d20 + 16 + 1 ⇒ (10) + 16 + 1 = 27
1d6 + 21 ⇒ (5) + 21 = 26
1d20 + 9 + 1 ⇒ (2) + 9 + 1 = 12
1d4 + 8 + 1d6 ⇒ (1) + 8 + (4) = 13
1d20 + 9 + 1 ⇒ (9) + 9 + 1 = 19
1d4 + 8 + 1d6 ⇒ (4) + 8 + (4) = 16
1d20 + 9 + 1 ⇒ (17) + 9 + 1 = 27
1d6 + 8 + 1d6 ⇒ (1) + 8 + (4) = 13
Advancing into D7 after the first stalker goes down. If the second on goes down too, any remaining attacks will go on the illusion. He doesn't know any better.
|DM Are
The first stalker is crushed by the first hit of The Beast's hammer, exploding in an expanding ball of white-hot flame.
Reflex (The Beast): 1d20 + 8 ⇒ (5) + 8 = 13
Reflex (Stalker #2): 1d20 + 13 ⇒ (19) + 13 = 32
Misfortune reroll (The Beast): 1d20 + 8 ⇒ (16) + 8 = 24
Both The Beast and the stalker escape the flames unscathed, although the stalker can't escape the bestial spirit's wrath as The Beast steps closer and lays into it with hammer, hooves, and horns. The stalker still stands following the onslaught, but only barely.
Those misfortunes continue keeping the party out of a great deal of potential trouble :)
Appario's passing strike creates a fine gash in the stalker's leg, blood beginning to trickle down as the knight continues running towards his true errand.
The commander turns towards Appario's voice, his unseeing eyes not quite able to find the right spot as he stares into the distance. Following orders, he answers the question.
"My name is Stiglor."
Up next: Derek (still blind one more round), Yahirma, and Semenya.
The leader capitulates. Appario seems to be managing these rituals...
Yahirma turns from the blinded commander, steps to G11, and brings her arms together. Following her upspoken commands, both chains converge on Stalker #2.
Chain 1 (6/7 rounds) trips the Stalker 1d20 + 12 ⇒ (14) + 12 = 26
Chain 2 (2/7 rounds) entangles the Stalker 1d20 + 16 ⇒ (6) + 16 = 22
|DM Are
Through some agile evasive maneuvers, the now-seeing stalker is able to keep both chains from fulfilling their tasks, jumping one (which still grazes the soles of his boots) while ducking the other.
It helps to get the full benefits of a 27 CMD as opposed to the 18 it gets while blind!
Semenya continues her tactics, dropping yet more firey missiles into the still-standing foes near her.
Fire damage (Creeper #9): 2d4 + 10 ⇒ (2, 1) + 10 = 13
Fire damage (Stalker #1): 2d4 + 10 ⇒ (3, 3) + 10 = 16
The creeper combusts into a final burst of light, while the stalker adds a patch of burnt skin to the gash Appario made.
Fortitude (Semenya): 1d20 + 6 ⇒ (5) + 6 = 11
Duration: 1d6 ⇒ 5
The intense light from the creeper's explosion leave Semenya blinded for no less than 5 rounds.
I'm guessing Derek won't do too much while he's blind, so I'm moving on to the enemy actions.
Seeing their commander surrendering to Appario's mercy, the wounded stalker near The Beast shouts something in its native tongue, then withdraws into the forest to the north (ending 35 ft north of The Beast).
The remaining, still-blind stalker turns towards the voice, then it too begins moving.
Direction: 1d8 ⇒ 3 (1 is straight north, then clockwise)
First stumbling into the tent, the stalker changes course.
Direction: 1d5 ⇒ 2 (as before, except without the three eastern directions)
Moving south, the stalker's move ends at the edge of the forest.
The supernatural darkness clears, revealing a blinded creeper edging its way into the forest to the south, while the few remaining combatants are embraced by the Morrowfall's bright daylight.
Up next: The PCs. Derek can see again, while Semenya is blind.
|Appario Lind
|DM Are
|"The Beast of War"
Rage 5/18
With all of his lesser foes vanquished, the Shoanti spirit turns his attention to the giant serpentine monstrosity before him and unleashes the whole of his fury.
The Beast growls his frustration after his attacks meet little resistance. Eager for more bloodshed he surveys the other nearby battles.
Unless somebody entices him to not do so, the Beast is going to go join one of the other fights. What's going on in the adjacent battles?
|DM Are
Madjaw and his band of redcaps look battered, but in control of their corner of the battlefield. About twice as many foes lie dead as redcaps, and now that the chain of command has been broken the remaining foes are either dying or fleeing.
The beetle lies defeated in the midst of a mound of torn-off pieces of flesh and bone. Only a pair of giants and a scattered group of humans have emerged from that battle alive, most with acid-burns on their bodies. The humans have retreated towards the eastern-most reserve camp, while the giants appeared to have been on their way towards the command camp when they noticed Stiglor surrendering and the dark folk retreating, and have instead turned towards the forest.
The Beast could catch up to these giants with a charge.
The two reserve forces set to guard the unassaulted camps are in the process of leaving as well, as they too have noticed the surrender of their leadership.
The Beast could reach the nearest of these reserve guards before they're ready to leave.
|"The Beast of War"
|DM Are
#1: 1d25 ⇒ 14
#2: 1d25 ⇒ 23
The Beast's hammer crushes into one giant's back, leading to a cry of surprised pain.
The struck giant turns to face its new foe, raising its greatclub to attack. The other giant also turns, returning to aid its friend.
Greatclub attack #1 (Giant #1): 1d20 + 14 ⇒ (2) + 14 = 16
Greatclub attack #2 (Giant #1): 1d20 + 9 ⇒ (15) + 9 = 24
Greatclub attack #3 (Giant #2): 1d20 + 14 ⇒ (11) + 14 = 25
Greatclub damage #1: 2d8 + 10 ⇒ (5, 3) + 10 = 18
Greatclub damage #2: 2d8 + 10 ⇒ (2, 5) + 10 = 17
Greatclub damage #3: 2d8 + 10 ⇒ (1, 4) + 10 = 15
All of their attacks miss.
Up next: The Beast. The giants are currently adjacent both to eachother and to The Beast.
Note: Derek and Yahirma can still affect the retreat of the dark folk; The Beast is the only one who has moved into the "future" as of yet (see this post for map.
|"The Beast of War"
Bah, copy/paste fails.
The Beast bristles with energy as his new foes turn to face him. As their blows recoil off of his magical protections and the spirit-stuff composing his thick hide, he fires back with his hammer and natural weapons.
1d20 + 16 + 1 ⇒ (3) + 16 + 1 = 20
1d6 + 21 ⇒ (5) + 21 = 26
1d20 + 11 + 1 ⇒ (12) + 11 + 1 = 24
1d6 + 21 ⇒ (6) + 21 = 27
Hasted Hammer (which isn't valid)
1d20 + 16 + 1 ⇒ (5) + 16 + 1 = 22
1d6 + 21 ⇒ (6) + 21 = 27
1d20 + 9 + 1 ⇒ (3) + 9 + 1 = 13
1d4 + 8 + 1d6 ⇒ (1) + 8 + (5) = 14
1d20 + 9 + 1 ⇒ (1) + 9 + 1 = 11
1d4 + 8 + 1d6 ⇒ (4) + 8 + (6) = 18
1d20 + 9 + 1 ⇒ (15) + 9 + 1 = 25
1d6 + 8 + 1d6 ⇒ (4) + 8 + (2) = 14
|DM Are
The duration of haste expired following the charge, so The Beast doesn't get its benefits during that attack routine.
The Beast's hammer and horns lay waste to the first giant, while the other roars in defiance and attempts to draw blood from this beast that stands before it in solitary arrogance.
Greatclub attack #1: 1d20 + 14 ⇒ (9) + 14 = 23
Greatclub attack #2: 1d20 + 9 ⇒ (5) + 9 = 14
Greatclub damage #1: 2d8 + 10 ⇒ (5, 8) + 10 = 23
Greatclub damage #2: 2d8 + 10 ⇒ (2, 2) + 10 = 14
Again the club bounces off The Beast's protective spells and armored hide.
Up next: The Beast.
|"The Beast of War"
You're right, my mistake.
Rage 8/18
The hulking spirit is pleased at finally finding a foe that will stand his ground. Responding with a warcry of his own, he lashes out again.
1d20 + 16 ⇒ (16) + 16 = 32
1d6 + 21 ⇒ (3) + 21 = 24
1d20 + 11 ⇒ (20) + 11 = 31
1d6 + 21 ⇒ (2) + 21 = 23
1d20 + 9 ⇒ (11) + 9 = 20
1d4 + 8 + 1d6 ⇒ (2) + 8 + (5) = 15
1d20 + 9 ⇒ (6) + 9 = 15
1d4 + 8 + 1d6 ⇒ (3) + 8 + (4) = 15
1d20 + 9 + 1 ⇒ (4) + 9 + 1 = 14
1d6 + 8 + 1d6 ⇒ (5) + 8 + (3) = 16
Hammer Confirming Crit
1d20 + 11 ⇒ (13) + 11 = 24
1d6 + 21 ⇒ (1) + 21 = 22 extra damage
|Derek Keegan
|DM Are
The Beast's new foe doesn't get the chance to stand its ground for very long, as two devastating blows with the hammer leave the Hill Giant in a crumpled heap before the Shoanti spirit's hooves.
At seeing this display of power from the warrior spirit, the remains of the former army waste no time in getting out of the clearing as they scatter in all directions seemingly with no common goal beyond survival.
Under Dog's Tongue's guidance, the redcaps begin demolishing the toxic fires surrounding the Maggot Tree, while a battered and bloody Madjaw walks towards Yahirma with determined steps and a wide grin on his face.
"Woman! Madjaw is ready for his reward!"
If Derek packs the Morrowfall back in his pocket, he finds himself almost unwilling to relinquish his grip on the artifact, and becomes increasingly sorrowful at not holding it over the next few days.
|"The Beast of War"
|Derek Keegan
Ugh...knowing Satyrs I have a fair idea what kind of "reward" he is hoping for.
It occurs to Derek that the mother would have monitored the battle, as she was looking for a rescue, perhaps there might be a way to avoid it?
Taking a few steps away from the others, Derek begins to whisper under his breath.
"Oh mother, I ask for your ear. We have broken the siege and driven your enemies away.
I ask, if you could grant a small personal boon besides helping my brothers love...
Please, reign in your amorous underling, I do not wish my friend Yahirma to be forced to kiss (or more) a being that reminds me of the fur carpets that is common in some Cheliaxans ladies chambers."
|Appario Lind
Appario looks at Derek.
Carpets? What about the drapes?
Appario speaks to Stiglor.
"Stiglor, you are my prisoner, and I'd like to keep it that way. Why are you here? Why are you besieging this blasted tree with giants and all sorts of fell minions?"
Appario Detects Evil on Stiglor.
Yahirma struggles to regain her non-Infernal linguistic capacity. Putting on a brave face to veil what might otherwise betray a nervous tick, she gives Madjaw a smile as he approaches. "You speak the truth - and beautifully you fought - but recall that the horned champion and his woman-to-be made a pact to stand before the one who could enable their union," she reminds Madjaw with a meaningful look towards the enormous tree. "The two must entreat her blessing first lest they instead invoke her curse."
Diplomacy check just to slow Madjaw's libido before Yahirma is subject to its Greater Overrun attempt 1d20 + 10 ⇒ (12) + 10 = 22
Taking small steps to put Shu-Ak'eh-Di in Madjaw's line of sight, Yahirma quickly scans the clearing's perimeter for signs of Vahnwynne.
Let's see how little trouble I can get us into, she thinks as one after another the glowing chains of force wink out of existence. I wouldn't want him to get any ideas.
|"The Beast of War"
The hulking spirit catches up with the party, the thick slabs of muscle covering his frame still bristling with barely restrained energy. Within his shadowy form a sheen of sweat cover's the winded Maddok.
The Beast regards the bloodied Madjaw with a snort and a nod, looks to Yahrima, and then back to the Satyr before bellowing his approval.
|Derek Keegan
|DM Are
Appario detects a faint evil aura emanating from Stiglor.
Stiglor continues to stare unseeing in the general direction of Appario's voice during their conversation.
"Those were my orders from the Council of Thieves. They wish the witch dead."
Madjaw gives a great hearty laugh.
"You play hard to get, woman! Madjaw enjoys a challenge! Very well, I shall wait, but not for too long."
He glances briefly at The Beast between them, but focuses his attention on Yahirma.
Once Derek puts the Morrowfall and its daylight safely away, it doesn't take long before Vahnwynne emerges from the forest. She searches the clearing for her Maddok, until her gaze finally finds his motionless form within The Beast.
She gasps, her hands venturing towards her weapons.
"What has happened to my love?!" she shouts at noone in particular as she speeds towards The Beast.
|"The Beast of War"
The bestial spirit studies the Satyr a moment and then looks Yahirma over closely. He rumbles something while motioning to Appario, himself, and Madjaw.
As Vahnwynne exits the forest and comes running towards the assembly the Beast growls and paws the earth.
Sense Motive for lack of language skills 1d20 + 8 ⇒ (5) + 8 = 13
Borrow Fortune! 1d20 + 8 ⇒ (12) + 8 = 20
Phew! The invaders are held at the palisade for a few minutes more, I think, and Vahnwynne has returned to...wait a moment...
Yahirma springs into action with alacrity that has escaped her up until now in combat, jumping between ectoplasmic minotaur and the accursed hunter to prevent a tragically violent reunion founded on misunderstandings. "Slow down, Vahnwynne!" she calls out, endeavoring to be heard but soothe simultaneously.
Diplomacy (Borrowed Fortune cool-down) 1d20 + 10 ⇒ (2) + 10 = 12 <- This one
Diplomacy (Borrowed Fortune cool-down) 1d20 + 10 ⇒ (4) + 10 = 14
Yahirma stumbles verbally, expressing, "Maddok is alive within and alright because he ceded control to - well, it's a pact made when he doesn't want to fight or, see, the creature you see does want to fight."
This would be so much clearer in Infernal.
Exasperated, she calls out for Derek's assistance, points to Shu-Ak'eh-Di while making a few "calm him down" motions, and tries to reassure Vahnwynne by saying "I think we're all just a little excited. Let's calm down, and I'll try again to explain everything."
|Appario Lind
"Those were my orders from the Council of Thieves. They wish the witch dead."
"Why Stiglor? Who cares about a hag and her tree? And who is this Council of Thieves? I can't wait to get out of this forest, not sure why'd you want to be in it."
1d20 + 8 ⇒ (17) + 8 = 25 Diplomacy
Appario digs for truth.
|DM Are
Vahnwynne slows down at Yahirma's frantic words, although she still keeps her hands near her weapons, ready to draw at a moment's notice. Her eyes show a great deal of confusion as she looks from Yahirma to Maddok's form within the Shoanti spirit.
"What are you saying? A pact? Ceded control? Like a.." She struggles to find comparisons matching this concept. "Like a man who becomes a wolf at the full moon? Or like a devil taking possession of a child?"
Stiglor laughs, but there's no humor in it, only bitterness.
"I live among the elements, not by choice but by necessity. There's no longer a place for me in the city. Only death awaits me should I return there."
"The Council of Thieves is an ancient organization, running and overseeing the organized crime that takes place in Westcrown. Their leadership is largely Westcrown nobility. I don't know why they're interested in this hag."
|Appario Lind
Appario nods in sympathy.
"A few more questions, please. We are both men of honor and it's nice to talk to someone who understand such." Appario ponders.
1d20 + 8 ⇒ (20) + 8 = 28 Diplomacy
"How did they gather this army? What did they promise giants for their aid? And these dark ones? What of them? Did you recruit them? How so? And what are they paid?"
I just told an emotionally fragile vampire that her lover becomes possessed by a bestial spirit several times a month. That was foolish...
"The force that surrounds him is his totem spirit, a bonded entity that typically guides him and offers advice. Where Maddok is guided by kindness and seeks to create a greater future by the forge's flames, the spirit known as Shu-Ak'eh-Di is aroused by the pounding of blood in one's temples and the hot slick of sweat that shivers, barely evaporating in the heat of battle. Some years ago one found the other, and from the union sprang Maddok's knack for conjuration - including calling the Shoanti animus to empower himself in combat."
Yahirma glances back at the Beast before continuing. "The creature knows loyalty to comrades in arms, but it understands you to be more a threat than an ally for rushing from the woods. For now let us keep a bit of distance until Maddok emerges once again or until Derek can introduce the two of you." She steps next to her vampiric friend and gives the other's arm a reassuring squeeze.
She briefly betrays her vocational background as she confides, "It shows considerable devotion - both to you and to his craft - for him to manifest such a symbiont. At this moment he sees with a different pair of eyes, but within it is still the same man you know. He shall be able to explain the tradition better than I in due time.
"For now, the Mother awaits."
Oh, Appario Lind - you can negotiate unhindered amidst the most turbulent developments.
|"The Beast of War"
Yahirma your posts are awesome as always but I'm going to move this along.
The bull snorts again in anger sending thick gusts of steam into the night air.
The bestial spirit takes two more aggressive steps towards the huntress before until it suddenly halts and then, without a sound, the shadowy essence composing its hulking form shatters like glass. The dark fragments quickly melt away and dissipate into the air as if they were nothing more than smoke. Maddok's half-waking form collapses in its midst.
Maddok quickly climbs to his feat and rushes to Vahnwynne's side.
"When he is in control my senses are dull and distant but I felt him want to hurt you. Forgive me. His will is strong and he does not understand our struggle."
As if seeing him for the first time, the big Shoanti regards Madjaw with a nod. "It pleases me to see that you survived the battle", he offers while taking Vahnwynne's hand.
|Derek Keegan
"It is at times like this I wish I was the type of bard that carried a harp to strum, because this is all worthy of a song Derek quips.
"Alas all I have is a lute."
Either way, he digs out his finely crafted lute and begins to strum a soft melody as he begins to hum and compose a song under his breath.
"Now what rhymes with "lovers reunited...?"
"His tongue is made of silver, for he worships a god of cold.
A man of fiery passion, but in battle his temper is cold.
He seeks the greatest profits; he has a merchant's heart.
If he possessed all the worlds' wealth, it would make a satisfying start."
"His strength is that of a giant, no mountain will stand in his way.
To me he is a brother, and will remain so come what may.
He is the lover of Vahnwynne, and for her he will fight on.
No matter what happens, his hope is never gone."
"Yahirma is a woman jungle bred,
And from her home she quickly fled.
Our luck is great that she was here this day,
her native wisdom chase the shadows away."
"Small and fierce like a badger, he is one to watch.
Insult him at your peril, he will cleave you head to crotch.
When you see him smile at you, you will surely faint,
I bid you not sweet friend of mine, or you will become his paint."
"And who am I, your narrator?
Why I am a man of no concern.
My name is Derek Keegan,
and I will never learn."
Perform Stringed: 1d20 + 10 ⇒ (8) + 10 = 18
Perform Sing: 1d20 + 8 ⇒ (12) + 8 = 20
Need more verses...
|Appario Lind
|Derek Keegan
|DM Are
"The giants were promised they could keep Hagwood as their domain once the witch no longer ruled the forest, as I understand it. I know little of the motivations of the dark ones. They're allies of a Council advisor; I know him only as the Lord of Shadows."
Stiglor touches his face near his eyes, hands close to trembling.
"I have answered your questions. My blindness. Can you cure it?"
Vahnwynne listens intently to Yahirma's explanation while looking with worry at Maddok's form within The Beast. Worry turns to alarm when The Beast begins its aggressive approach. She involuntarily gasps as the fragments dissipate around Maddok.
When he comes to her side, she still looks back at the spot where The Beast was last manifested. She looks at Maddok.
"Will that happen again? Will .. he? .. try to hurt me again?"
While these various conversations take place, the redcaps have efficiently and quickly taken care of the smoky fires, extinguishing their flames and scattering the wood. As the final remnants of the smoke clears, the branches of the huge Maggot Tree come alive as the thousands of flies and spiders inhabiting it wake from their stupor.
Soon after, an old woman appears as if from nowhere next to the dead body of the giant beetle. The woman stands there a moment, then begins walking towards the assembled group, leaning heavily on a gnarled staff. With every laboring step, the layer of flies covering her body take flight, landing again moments later.
As she comes closer, her hideousness is revealed. Her face is a grayish-green mass of wrinkles, warts, and scars beneath a mop of coarse, bark-like hair. Her eyes are dark and sagging, but lack color; they're flat, black orbs. She wears filthy rags and dozens of bone and stone fetishes. In addition to the flies, hundreds of maggots also cover her body.
She cackles with glee as she approaches.
"I'm the Mother of Flies. I thank you for your aid with this .. unpleasant matter!"
Due to Yahirma's and Maddok's earlier research, it's immediately clear that this woman is a Green Hag. All Bestiary information about Green Hags is also known.
|Appario Lind
"I have answered your questions. My blindness. Can you cure it?"
Appario turns away from the hag to answer Stiglor.
"I cannot here and now. Keep quiet if you want to live...something ubernatural approaches. If we survive and you'll walk back near the walls of Westcrown, I'll see if I can buy a cure inside." Appario whispers to Stiglor. "Besides, we are not done with the questions, Stiglor."
Appario turns back to the Green Hag, Detecting Evil.
Maddok holds Vahnwynne close to him. Although shaken by what almost happened he tries to not let it show.
"I won't let him hurt you", he whispers to the huntress.
As the Mother of Flies makes her appearance Maddok is instantly taken aback. He would never have guessed that the matron of the Hagwood was such a foul creature, but why not? The wise-men of his people often had their own deformities and eccentricities that might appear monstrous to outsiders.
Without releasing Vahnwynne's grasp, he returns the hag's greeting.
"Greetings Mother of the Hagwood. It was a battle that will not be soon forgotten", he answers. "I am Maddok Shiikirri-Quah, and this is Yahirma spirit-talker of the distant Mwangi, Appario Lind holy warrior of Abadar, my little brother Derek Keegan of the Keegan acting company, and this...", his says while looking into Vahnwynne's eyes again, "is Vahnwynne Malkistra the Moon of my Life."
|Derek Keegan
Hah! Unpleasant? This "mother" of ours has a real gift for understatements, and lacks my skilful poetic touch. If I was me, I would have called it HIGHLY unpleasant."
Say, doesn't hags like to mate with and then devour handsome men?
My how ugly I look today! Why compared to these other men here I am surely not palatable at all.
|DM Are
Appario detects a moderate evil aura surrounding the hag.
Vahnwynne lets herself be embraced, but Maddok senses that she's not entirely convinced by his whispers of comfort. She keeps close to him as the hag approaches.
Madjaw interjects himself in the proceedings, quickly coming before the Mother.
"Mother. I come before you asking for your blessing, as I would have union with the woman Yahirma!"
The satyr grins excitedly towards Yahirma. The hag briefly follows his look before returning her gaze to him.
"Such rush! Where was this rush when your Mother was in need of your aid, hmm? Did you not lay snoring in your shelter only a few hours hence, with no intention of coming here?"
The old crone cackles loudly.
"Perhaps this union can wait as long as I waited! There are other matters to attend to before the sun wakes to scare away the night."
Madjaw dejectedly moves out of her way, glancing quickly to gauge Yahirma's reaction.
The Mother of Flies closes in on Maddok and Vahnwynne, stretching one gnarled finger towards Vahnwynne's chin. She lifts her head and studies it, then strokes her cheek before pulling back.
"So. You wish the curse on this one lifted. It's not an easy task, hmm? Not many know the secret to turning nightwalkers into daywalkers once more!"
She cackles again.
"But this old hag can help you, yes! For a price, of course!"
The hag looks expectantly at the assembled group.
|Appario Lind
|Appario Lind
|DM Are
The hag cackles as Appario voices his concerns.
"Abadar's faith runs strong in this one! But I think someone has been forgetful! No deal was yet made. I said I couldn't perform the ritual while under siege, and we would talk more once there was peace around the Maggot Tree. Your warrior friend promised to set my mind at ease."
She cackles again.
"So here we are! I suspect my price will not be met with objections. In fact, it's very possible you would pay it even if you had never come here!"
Another cackle, longer and louder than the last.
She speaks the truth, by the way; see this post :)
|Appario Lind
She speaks the truth, by the way; see this post :)
Well, Appario wasn't at the that meeting so this post is much more appropriate to Appario's viewpoint.
Appario looks at Maddok, uncertain.
"Is this true? We raised an army to help her and she asks us for more? What was the deal, Maddok?"


text:
This is interesting on a couple levels.
First off, the Titans... are not even a rival team of the Giants. I can expect jealousy and anger coming from Dallas, Philly, Washington... even SF, GB, or ATL (since they were in the playoffs and were knocked off by us on the way to Indy). But Titans?
Here's my take on it. First off, BobbyD is probably 11 years old. In his mind, perhaps, the Giants and Titans are rivals because of the names of our teams. You know, the kind of rivalry you'd expect in a comic book - except its in the NFL.
They both describe the same kind of phenomenon - large hulking beings.
Bobby, the Giants have had reasonable Super Bowl success and have been in the league since forever. We had one of the most exciting runs to the Super Bowl less than 5 years ago as we dethroned an "unbeatable" Patriots team.
You will probably say "IT WAS ALL LUCK", but hey, like Thomas Jefferson said - "The harder I work, the luckier I get."
The Titans have nothing. You may have beaten us a couple times in the past - but it doesn't really matter when your team isn't even a playoff contender. The Redskins beat us twice this year, badly. Does it mean they are a better team?
So, sorry about your team's hardships - being a fan of a team most consider to be an "afterthought" must be difficult.
Good night Bobby.


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Patient Marketing Report: From A1C to Z
Novo Nordisk's Bob Muha, Amy West and Martin Jernigan
Three health activists (below, from left, Scott Benner, Sysy Morales and Kate Cornell) were assembled by Wego Health to represent the patient perspective, and asked for their opinions of Cornerstones4Care and other diabetes education efforts.Click here to see what the panelists have to say about the abundance of diabetes education online, and here to get the their specific feedback on the Cornerstones4Care program
With an overabundance of online health information competing for patients' attention, it can be hard to break through and be heard, especially in a crowded category like diabetes.
Why is it that a pharma company can spend a ton promoting its website, only to see a blog gain more web traffic? "It tends to be ignored if it's direct from pharma to us," says Sysy Morales, a patient with type 1 diabetes who blogs at thegirlsguidetodiabetes.com.
Panelists say their preferred avenues for diabetes education start with blogs, followed by mainstream social media, online patient hubs and forums, pharma-backed product or disease-information sites, and lastly websites of non-profit health centers or organizations.
"Nobody's diabetes is the same, so getting direction about it is almost impossible," says Scott Benner, who cares for a daughter with type 1 diabetes and speaks to other parents via the blog ardensday.com. "But when you hear somebody who starts telling a story that sounds similar to yours, you feel a connection…and then that person seems like a viable option to learn from."
To be sure, blogs, Twitter and Facebook represent someone's opinions or ideas. Individuals should research a topic themselves, bounce information off a healthcare provider, and look at a variety of sources to glean what works best for them, panel members say.
Adds Kate Cornell, who has type 2 diabetes and blogs at kates-sweet-success.blogspot.com, sometimes "support" is the best form of education. She mentions the "You Can Do This" project, an online initiative run by diabetes advocates that gives people a chance to tell their stories by posting videos. "I learn most from reading other people's blogs," she says.
Not that bloggers are the pinnacles of altruism; many can be self-promotional. But an opportunity is there "to feel comfortable enough to at least find out more about it," says Benner. "When it comes directly from the corporate side, there's an anticipation that it's being done for business reasons."
When they do get involved, how can industry appear sincere? "Once [individuals] start something on their own and find a connection with pharma… it's easier to trust it," says Benner.
Consider grassroots project the Diabetes Hands Foundation, which was founded by Manny Hernandez, himself a person living with diabetes, who has gone on to partner with such pharma companies as Roche and Sanofi, to deliver education and support.
That model is one way to garner legitimacy in the community. "[Companies are] going to have to brand backwards if they want a piece of this," says Benner.
Another approach is the industry-funded program that's led by patients. Morales volunteers for an unbranded educational effort called A1C Champions, a Sanofi-backed initiative in which people living with diabetes lead informational workshops for groups of sufferers.
To be successful, educational campaigns must also reach more people than those with a Twitter handle or Facebook page. They "have to find a way to get past this virtual wall and get out to the people who really need the help," says Benner. "Those of us that are this tech savvy could go find the information on their own. I have the opportunity to speak to people who aren't connected like this, and they struggle...They're fighting against basic concepts, because nobody has the right information for them."
Adds Cornell, "Sometimes those of us who are online a lot kind of live in a bubble and tend to forget there are thousands and thousands of people out there who are not online and, based on my experience when I was diagnosed, I got nothing. There's a complete lack of educational information on the ground. For a program to be successful, it needs to be available in a variety of different places and in a variety of different ways."
Ironically, one of the places where patients complain of a lack of education is right in the endocrinologist's office. "Pharma companies have such an easy pipeline through their sales reps to make these kinds of things more visible to people, but…no one has ever once mentioned anything that I've seen online to me in my doctor's office, and my daughter goes to one of the more prestigious children's hospitals on the East Coast," says Benner.
Walmart, where people often go to save on diabetes supplies, would be a good conduit to reach people who, say, need information on access programs. "You have to go find them; they're not going to be able to find you," Benner says.
Since diabetes manifests uniquely from patient to patient, an educational site that tries to cater to a wide swath of patients and caregivers is an ambitious undertaking. But that's what Novo Nordisk's online support site CornerStones4Care tries to do. Billed as a one-stop source, it offers information about diabetes and Novo treatment options and delivery systems, as well as a program of tailored dialogue for enrollees.
Cornell, the only one of the three who had seen it, thinks the site succeeds in that regard. "I like the way it lets you target what you're looking for based on what type of diabetes you have, or whether you're newly diagnosed or have been at it for a while," she says. "As someone who was diagnosed seven years ago, I don't want to wade through all of the basics. I want to go straight to something I'm looking for."
This aspect resonates with Morales as well. In her experience as a health coach, "the number-one thing people think they'll enjoy getting is someone meeting them…wherever they are in their journey. It's a lot more appealing for people to have some type of customization."
Indications are that the program is helping people: it's garnered open rates as high as 60%. The site has seen more than half a million visitors, and two million page views, with patients spending an average of nine minutes perusing the material.
There are some pitfalls to trying to speak to both the type 1 and type 2 audiences, though. "On the type 1 side," says Benner, "there's a lot of disappointment throughout the community that there's not a better understanding between the two different diseases."
With type 2 making up about 90% of the cases globally, "If you're trying to service people when they're coming in, you might not want them coming in from the type 1 side feeling like this is a website that's really focused toward the greater number of people."
Patients also suggested that the site's plethora of white space, preference for models vs. real patients, and de-identified format (as opposed to the blog approach of reading someone's personal daily experience), could stand some improvement. Morales suggests throwing some real people with diabetes into the mix. "Our presence might make it a more friendly kind of atmosphere."