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Geologic History
Folds and faults are not abundant in Zion; however, fault locations are important because faults are zones of weakness where earthquakes and mass- movements tend to reoccur. The Hurricane fault, created by Tertiary- age (Miocene) Basin- and- Range faulting, coincides with part of the older Sevier thrust fault. This coincidence suggests. . . read more
Geologic Setting
Protected within the 593 square kilometers (229 square miles) of Zion National Park, the Kolob Arch is the world's largest arch with a span measuring 94.5 m (310 ft), a window height of 101 m (330 ft), and a thickness of 24 m (80 ft) (Biek et al. 2000). In other monuments and parks, this arch would be the centerpiece of a visitor's experience, but Zion is probably best known for. . . read more
Geologic Features & Processes
Biek et al. (2000) identified 24 outstanding geologic features in Zion. These features are summarized below and located. . . read more
Zion National Park is a showcase of geology. Geologic processes have played an important role in shaping Zion. The arid climate and sparse vegetation allow the exposure of large expanses of bare rock and reveal the park's geologic history.
Zion is located along the edge of a region called the Colorado Plateau. The rock layers have been uplifted, tilted, and eroded, forming a feature called the Grand Staircase, a series of colorful cliffs stretching between Bryce Canyon and the Grand Canyon. The bottom layer of rock at Bryce Canyon is the top layer at Zion, and the bottom layer at Zion is the top layer at the Grand Canyon.
Zion was a relatively flat basin near sea level 240 million years ago. As sands, gravels, and muds eroded from surrounding mountains, streams carried these materials into the basin and deposited them in layers. The sheer weight of these accumulated layers caused the basin to sink, so that the top surface always remained near sea level. As the land rose and fell and as the climate changed, the depositional environment fluctuated from shallow seas to coastal plains to a desert of massive windblown sand. This process of sedimentation continued until over 10,000 feet of material accumulated.
|Rock Layer
|Where To See
|Rock Type
|Dakota Formation
|top of Horse Ranch Mountain
|conglomerate and sandstone
|Carmel Formation
|Mt. Carmel Junction
|shallow sea and coastal desert
|limestone, sandstone and gypsum
|Temple Cap Formation
|top of West Temple
|Navajo Sandstone
|steep cliffs 1,600-2,200' thick
red lower layers are colored by iron oxides
|tall cliffs of Zion Canyon; highest exposure is West Temple and Checkerboard Mesa
believed to be the tallest sandstone cliffs in the world
|desert sand dunes covered 150,000 square miles
shifting winds during deposition created cross-bedding
|Kayenta Formation
|rocky slopes
|throughout canyon
|siltstone and sandstone
|Moenave Formation
|slopes and ledges
|lower red cliffs seen from Zion Canyon Visitor Center
|streams and ponds
|siltstone and sandstone
|Chinle Formation
|purpleish slopes
|above Rockville
|shale, loose clay and conglomerate
|Moenkopi Formation
|chocolate cliffs with white bands
|rocky slopes from Virgin to Rockville
|shallow sea
|shale, siltstone, sandstone, mudstone, and limestone
|Kaibab Formation
|escarpment of Hurrican Fault along I-15 near Kolob Canyons
|shallow sea
Mineral-laden waters slowly filtered through the compacted sediments. Iron oxide, calcium carbonate, and silica acted as cementing agents, and with pressure from overlying layers over long periods of time, transformed the deposits into stone. Ancient seabeds became limestone; mud and clay became mudstones and shale; and desert sand became sandstone. Each layer originated from a distinct source and so differs in thickness, mineral content, color, and eroded appearance.
In an area from Zion to the Rocky Mountains, forces deep within the earth started to push the surface up. This was not chaotic uplift, but very slow vertical hoisting of huge blocks of the crust. Zion's elevation rose from near sea level to as high as 10,000 feet above sea level.
Uplift is still occurring. In 1992, a magnitude 5.8 earthquake caused a landslide visible just outside the south entrance of the park in Springdale.
This uplift gave the streams greater cutting force in their descent to the sea. Zion's location on the western edge of this uplift caused the streams to tumble off the plateau, flowing rapidly down a steep gradient. A fast-moving stream carries more sediment and larger boulders than a slow-moving river. These streams began eroding and cutting into the rock layers, forming deep and narrow canyons. Since the uplift began, the North Fork of the Virgin River has carried away several thousand feet of rock that once lay above the highest layers visible today.
The Virgin River is still excavating. Upstream from the Temple of Sinawava the river cuts through Navajo Sandstone, creating a slot canyon. At the Temple, the river has reached the softer Kayenta Formation below. Water erodes the shale, undermining the overlaying sandstone and causing it to collapse, widening the canyon.
A landslide once dammed the Virgin River forming a lake. Sediments settled out of the quiet waters, covering the lake bottom. When the river breached the dam and the lake drained, it left behind a flat-bottomed valley. This change in the character of the canyon can be seen from the scenic drive south of the Zion Lodge near the Sentinel Slide. This slide was active again in 1995, damaging the road.
Flash floods occur when sudden thunderstorms dump water on exposed rock. With little soil to absorb the rain, water runs downhill, gathering volume as it goes. These floods often occur without warning and can increase water flow by over 100 times. In 1998 a flash flood increased the volume of the Virgin River from 200 cubic feet per second to 4,500 cubic feet per second, again damaging the scenic drive at the Sentinel Slide.
"There is an eloquence to their forms which stirs the imagination with a singular power and kindles in the mind ... a glowing response.... Nothing can exceed the wondrous beauty of Zion.... in the nobility and beauty of the sculptures there is no comparison."
When geologist Clarence E. Dutton wrote that description in 1880, southern Utah was a wild, rugged country of little-known canyons and plateaus. Slowly, scientific reports, magazine articles, and photographs spread the word that deep within this remote territory lay the scenic phenomenon of Zion. Some refused to believe such a place existed, just as others had scoffed at the first stories of Yellowstone. But the massive multi-colored vertical cliffs and deep canyons were real, and in 1909 this area was added to the National Park System. Take time and discover Zion on its roads, and beyond.
On the Road
The roads of Zion introduce you to the park's spectacular cliff-and-canyon landscape. You can drive, bicycle, or take a guided tram tour, depending on your time and interest. Zion Canyon Scenic Drive, the Zion-Mt. Carmel Highway, and the Kolob Canyons Road are open year-round. The Knob Terrace Road is usually closed by snow from late November to May.
If you are driving, remember the roads are designed for sightseeing, not speed. They are narrow, winding, and sometimes steep. Obey posted speed limits. If you want to stop, use a roadside parking area. Be alert for hazards, particularly pedestrians, bicyclists, wildlife, fallen rocks, and other motorists. Bicycles must be carried through the long tunnel in a vehicle.
All buses and many recreational vehicles are too large to pass safely through the long tunnel in two-way traffic. A fee is charged for the escort required for large vehicles to use the tunnel. During the busier seasons large vehicles are restricted in where they may park in Zion Canyon.
Zion Canyon Scenic Drive
Sheer, vividly colored cliffs tower above as you follow this road along the floor of Zion Canyon. This narrow, deep canyon is the centerpiece of the park. It awed early visitors like Frederick Vining Fisher, a Methodist minister who named the Great White Throne, Angels Landing, and many other monoliths. Today the canyon continues to spark a sense of wonder and disbelief in those who come and stand beneath its 2,000- to 3,000-foot high walls.
Along the bottom of the canyon flows the Virgin River. It is a river with the looks of a creek and the muscle of the Colorado. This small river almost single-handedly carved the profound rock gorge of Zion Canyon. It began its downcutting more than 13 million years ago and continues its work today. You may witness the river's power during a flash flood, when it turns muddy and violent, carrying cottonwoods and boulders like twigs and pebbles.
On most days, though, the Virgin winds through the canyon peacefully. Fremont cottonwoods, willows, and velvet ashes along its banks provide shady spots for a picnic or a short walk. Muledeer and many birds, too, seek refuge from the extreme midday heat of summer beneath this canopy. Other wildlife, including ringtail cats, bobcats, foxes, rock squirrels, and cottontails, rest under rocky ledges. The best times to see animals along the road are early morning, evening, and at night, when they are most active. These are also ideal times to see the conspicuous white trumpet-shaped flowers of the sacred datura. This common roadside plant is also called moonlily because its blossoms open in the cooler hours of evening and wilt with the rising heat of the day.
Zion-Mt. Carmel Highway
Outstanding works of man and nature compete for attention along this route. The road, completed in 1930, was considered an "almost impossible project", an engineering marvel of its time. Built across rough up-and-down terrain, it connects lower Zion Canyon with the high plateaus to the east. Two narrow funnels, including one 1.1 miles long, were drilled and blasted through the cliffs to finish the construction job.
As you travel from one side of the long tunnel to the other, the landscape changes dramatically. On one side lies Zion Canyon with its massive cliff walls. The colossal size of the canyon is matched by one of the most striking attractions along this road - "the Great Arch of Zion", a "blind" arch carved high in a vertical cliff wall.
On the other side of the tunnel is slickrock country. Here rocks colored in white and pastels of orange and red have been eroded into hundreds of fantastic shapes, etched through time with odd patterns of cracks and grooves. The mountain of sandstone known as Checkerboard Mesa stands as the most prominent example of this naturally sculptured rock art.
Roads to the Kolob
Two roads lead into the northwestern corner of the park, where streams have carved spectacular canyons at the edge of the Kolob Terrace. The Kolob Canyons Road enters the park from I-15 at exit 40 and penetrates 5 miles into the red rock, perpendicular walled Finger Canyons, ending at a high viewpoint. The Kolob Terrace Road overlooks the white and salmon-colored cliffs of the Left and Right Forks of North Creek. Both routes climb into forests of pinyon and juniper; ponderosa pine, fir, and quaking aspen are found at Lava Point. In summer there is often a feel of mountain coolness to the air atop the Kolob's high country plateaus. And in the early spring the Kolob is buried under a thick snowpack. The sparkling white of the snow heightens the colors of this already colorful landscape. Interpretive road guides are for sale at the visitor centers.
Beyond the Road
The names of the trails in Zion - Emerald, Hidden Canyon, Gateway to the Narrows, Canyon Overlook - hint at some of what you can find beyond the road. There are surprises, too, a desert swamp, a petrified forest, springs and waterfalls, and the always unpredictable appearance of wildlife. You may be overwhelmed by the size and scale of the park as it surrounds you, or fascinated by the tiny details of a rock pattern or a cactus bloom.
Before you head out on your first hike, consult "Hiking Zion", a brief guide to the park's trails on the opposite side of this folder. Naturalists take guided trips along some of these trails from late March to November. They also lead off-trail hikes through canyons, up the Virgin River, and over slickrock country.
Concessioner-guided horseback trips are offered from March into November. Private horse back parties should check in at either visitor center. In the Zion Canyon portion of the park, only the Sandbench Trail to the Emerald Pools trailhead is open to horses. The large amount of pedestrian traffic throughout the park prevents more extensive use by horses.
Technical climbing is permitted in the park. A free backcountry permit is required for overnight climbs. Climbing alone is not recommended. Certain areas may be closed for public safety or resource management concerns; therefore, check routes at the visitor center before beginning your trip.
A Gallery of Sculpted Rock
A hiker stands dwarfed by the walls of Navajo sandstone in a Zion side canyon. Many visitors enjoy hiking in these places that give overwhelming testimony to the creative powers of erosion. There are many such displays of wind- and water-sculpted rock beyond the roads end. From trails on the plateau rim there are sweeping vistas of Zion Canyon and of other massive canyons to which access is much more difficult. Other trails lead through smaller, narrow side canyons with graceful curving walls as smooth as polished stone.
One observer called Zion "a singular display of nature's art mingled with nonsense." The hoodoos readily seen on the east side of the park reflect this idea well. These weird, iron capped rocks resemble enormous mushrooms, or king-sized footstools, or whatever your imagination fancies. A multitude of other interesting rock forms - from arches to alcoves to potholes - are scattered here, there, everywhere.
A Refuge for Wildlife
The name Zion suggests a place of peace and refuge. This is true not only for visitors but for wildlife as well. The park is a sanctuary for roadrunners and golden eagles, mule deer and mountain lions, cactus and cottonwood. Some of the best opportunities for encountering wildlife are along park trails. You may surprise lizards or Gambel's quail on a hike along a wooded wash on the deserts edge. Or hear echoes of the dear gushing song of the canyon wren in a pygmy forest of pinyon and juniper. Watch for tracks, they may be the closest you get to rarely seen species like the mountain lion or the nocturnal ringtailed cat.
Wildflowers are common throughout the park, particularly in spring and fall. Even where there is nothing more than a tiny pocket of soil in a rock crack, plants manage to take root and grow. Some cliffs, like those at Weeping Rock, are thick with golden and western columbine, scarlet monkeyflower, and maidenhair fern. Springwater seeping through the porous rock walls nourishes these lush hanging gardens.
A Wilderness Preserved
Protected within Zion's 229 square miles is a wilderness full of the unexpected. It included what may be the world's largest arch -Kolob Arch spanning 310 feet -and simpler natural wonders, such as small waterfalls and clear backcountry pools. The fundamental qualities of wild America - quiet and solitude - are here, too.
Anasazi and Paiute Indians may have lived in Zion Canyon year-round. Mormon settlers once did. They were here in summer, when dramatic thunderstorms send dozens of waterfalls large and small, cascading off the cliffs; in autumn, when the green canyon trees turn gold; in winter, when light snow dusts the rocks and in spring, when wildflowers fed by melting snows bloom. You may want to sample a different season on your next visit to Zion Canyon. You can be sure that whenever you return, and no matter how often Zion Canyon will always repay you generously for the time you spend here.
Full Report
Geologic Resource Evaluation Report – A detailed geologic report is available that provides an introduction to the geologic history of the park and its geologic formations, identifies geologic features and processes that are important to park ecosystems, describes key resource management challenges and possible solutions, and lists geologic research and monitoring needs.
The General park map handed out at the visitor center is available on the park's map webpage.
View the park's map to create your own personal maps and images right here.For information about topographic maps, geologic maps, and geologic data sets, please see the geologic maps page.
A general photo album for this park can be found here. For information on other photo collections featuring National Park geology, please see the Image Sources page.
Currently, we do not have a listing for a park-specific geoscience book. The park's geology may be described in regional or state geology texts.
Please visit the Geology Books and Media webpage for additional sources such as text books, theme books, CD ROMs, and technical reports.
Parks and Plates: The Geology of Our National Parks, Monuments & Seashores.
Lillie, Robert J., 2005.
W.W. Norton and Company.
9" x 10.75", paperback, 550 pages, full color throughout
The spectacular geology in our national parks provides the answers to many questions about the Earth. The answers can be appreciated through plate tectonics, an exciting way to understand the ongoing natural processes that sculpt our landscape. Parks and Plates is a visual and scientific voyage of discovery!
Ordering from your National Park Cooperative Associations' bookstores helps to support programs in the parks. Please visit the bookstore locator for park books and much more.
Information about the park's research program is available on the park's research webpage.
For information about permits that are required for conducting geologic research activities in National Parks, see the Permits Information page.
The NPS maintains a searchable data base of research needs that have been identified by parks.
A bibliography of geologic references is being prepared for each park through the Geologic Resources Evaluation Program (GRE). Please see the GRE website for more information and contacts.
NPS Geology and Soils PartnersAssociation of American State Geologists
Geological Society of America
Natural Resource Conservation Service - Soils
U.S. Geological Survey
General information about the park's education and intrepretive programs is available on the park's education webpage.For resources and information on teaching geology using National Park examples, see the Students & Teachers pages.


text: You know what would make me happy? Jerry Jones holding a press conference where he makes it clear that he's behind Garrett 100% and fully committed to him for the long term. Jones and Garrett putting every player on notice, from Romo on down, that the last few seasons of mediocrity have been unacceptable and that it falls on them to get better. An honest and brutal evaluation of every player on the roster and a significant roster shake up headed into 2013. Competition at almost every position. In short, a total end to the country club atmosphere that's destroyed this franchise. But hey, I guess when Jerry said it was going to be "uncomfortable", he meant uncomfortable for the coaches, not the players. You know, God forbid we put any pressure on the same core that's underachieved for three different coaches so far (and soon to be four if things don't drastically get better)

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Rock County Sheriff's Deputies Collide While On Emergency Call
JANESVILLE--Tough day at the office for Rock County Sheriff's Deputies.
"Obviously we have accidents involving our squads," said Capt. Jude Maurer, an 18-year veteran in Rock County. "But it's not ordinary for us to see two squads colliding."
Wednesday night around 11pm two deputies were responding to an emergency call by a passerby of a motorcyclist down on Highway 26 and County Road N just north of Milton, but the location was incorrect.
"The actual location of where they came upon the motorcyclist was actually a mile and a half south of where the actual intersection was."The surprised deputies hit the brakes and swerved to avoid hitting the motorcyclist that suddenly appeared.
"In the process of making those abrupt lane changes, the vehicle collided in a side swipe collison."
One vehicle went into the ditch and that officer had to be cut out of the car due to the fact that his door wouldn't open. The squad car suffered major damage, but the officer did not. The other vehicle suffered damage to the passenger side, but that officer also avoided serious injuries.
Both deputies went to the hospital complaining of head and back injuries, but Maurer described the injuries as minor. As for the motorcyclist, he wasn't injured only resting.
"It's part of the job," Maurer said. "Do we want to get into an accident? No. Do we want the media to come ask us questions about how this accident occured? Not really."
Maurer says that every two years deputies receive evasive driving trainin, but he adds that there's nothing like real life experience
"You have to train in the worst case scenario. Can we take some things out of this and maybe we can apply it in the future so that we can avoid the worst case scenario again? I hope so."
Wisconsin State Patrol is still investigating the accident.
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Miners to Host Last Outdoor Home Meet of 2014
April 10, 2014
El Paso - The UTEP track and field program is set to host the UTEP Invitational on Saturday starting at 10 a.m. with the women's hammer throw and running events at 2 p.m. at Kidd Field.
The meet will include opponents La Tech, North Texas, Rice, NM State, North Illinois University (Women's), Grand Canyon University and New Mexico Junior College.
Also looking to set high marks at the UTEP Invitational are professional athletes from around the world including 2012 Olympic Champion Kirani James, Mexican record holder and Olympian Carlos Herrera, and Nike Pro-French athletes Yoann Rapinier, N'diss Kaba Badji, Guy Anouman, Pierre Chalus, Gautier Dautremer and former Miner Mickael Hanany.
"I am extremely excited about returning to El Paso to compete," Olympian Kirani James said. "The last time I competed there I set a personal best and a national record. I look forward to challenging that record at this year's Invitational."
In conjunction with UTEP's open house this weekend, the meet will be free to the public.
On the field, the high jump will feature both collegiate and professional athletes. Olympian Mickael Hanany will be looking to improve his personal-best mark registered at the Miners' last home meet. The 2008 NCAA Champion broke France's high jump record as he delivered a jump of 2.34m (7-08.00). Representing the Orange and Blue will be Carlos Hernandez. The El Paso native claimed bronze at the UTEP Springtime with a leap of 2.10m (6-10.75).
Competing in the long jump for the first time this season is 2014 NCAA silver medalist Mark Jackson. Last year, the All-American posted a season-best leap of 7.46m (24-05.75) at the 2013 Conference USA Outdoor Meet, qualifying him for the NCAA West Preliminary. The senior went on to advanace to the 2013 NCAA Championships. Also representing the Miners in the men's long jump are Andres Estrada, Brandon Jones, Brandon Moss and Zachary Newman. The jumpers are set to compete at 2:30 p.m. (MT).
The long jump and triple jump will feature a group of Nike jumpers including Yoann Rapinier, N'diss Kaba Badiji and Guy Dautremer.
Abiola Onakoya will represent the Miners in the 200m dash. Last year, the senior registered a season-best of 20.90 at the 2013 UTEP Invitational ranking him 58th in the nation. The sprinter went on to claim a bronze-medal finish at the 2013 C-USA Outdoor Championships.
Also contesting for the top time in the 200m dash are Nike sprinters Pierre Chalus and Gautier Dautremer and Mexican Olympian Carlos Herrera. Herrera is the Mexican National Record holder in the 200m dash with a time of 20.36. His time is currently the third fastest in the world.
El Paso native Daniel Tarango will be taking the track in the 800m for the third time this season. The sophomore garnered bronze with a time of 1:52.82 at the Texas Tech Open. His time currently ranks him fifth in Conference USA. Also competing for the Orange and Blue in the 800m run is Cosmas Boit. The distance runner opened his outdoor season with a first place finish in the event at the UTEP Springtime meet. The freshman registered a time of 1:52.48, ranking him sixth in C-USA. Tarango and Boit will compete at 4:10 p.m.
Two-time National Champion Anthony Rotich is set to participate in the 1,500m run at 2:20 p.m. The All-American conquered the 3,000m steeplechase at Texas Relays with a first place finish of 8:38.68. The C-USA Champion's performance garnered him the No.1 spot on the Track and Field Results Reporting list.
On the women's side the 100m hurdles will feature five Miners. Leading the squad is All-American Janice Jackson, who opened the season clocking in a time of 13.05 (+ 2.1w) to finish fifth at the highly competitive Texas Relays. The C-USA Champion's performance ranks her first in conference and sixth nationally. Greta Kerekes, Bria Love, Aeisha McDavid and Brianna McGhee will join Jackson in the event set to start at 2:35 p.m.
Last season, Brianna McGhee proved to be a dominating force in the 100m hurdles as a freshman. The hurdler crossed the finish line third at her first C-USA Championship with a personal best of 13.33. Her time ranked 30th nationally qualifying her for the NCAA West Preliminary.
Jackson will also add strength to the Miner sprint squad as she joins Florence Uwakwe in the 200m dash. This will be the sprinters' first time competing in the 200m dash this season. The event is set to begin at 4:50 p.m.
El Paso natives Laura Delgado and Sandra Walker will lead the distance force as they compete in the 1,500m run at 2:10 p.m.
Taking the field for the women's team will be Nickevea Wilson in the triple jump. The All-American took the track for the first time at the Texas Relays where she delivered a leap of 12.65m (41-6) in the women's triple jump. The junior currently ranks fourth in league action.
El Paso native, Monica Lopez will also take to the field for the triple jump. The junior opened the season with a first-place finish at the UTEP Springtime where she posted a mark of 11.97m (39-03.25). The event will kick off at approximately 5:00 p.m.
In the women's high jump the Miners will be represented by Jallycia Pearson. The El Paso native registered a personal-best jump of 1.66m (5-05.25) in women's heptathlon at Texas Relays.
UTEP will feature two of the top-five Conference USA student-athletes in the women's discus throw. Ranked second in the league, Taylor Gunn will be competing in the event for the third time this season. The thrower recorded a toss of 49.18m (161-4) at the Texas Tech Open. Teammate Samantha Hall holds the No. 4 spot in C-USA after registering a toss of 48.88m (160-4) last weekend. Also competing for the Miners will be Adebola Akomolafe, Fayon Gonzales and Aisha Lee. The group is scheduled to take the field at 2 p.m.
Live results will be available at http://www.spato.us/cresults/2014/utepinvite/.
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I hope he's improved from 2012.
When Locklear went down, they decided to go with David Diehl, playing on an injured MCL, rather than go with Brewer.
At 6-6 and 330, maybe it was an issue of getting his technique down.....maybe he was just not yet ready for the pro game as a rookie.
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"I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells
"Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese
He'll get plenty of chances in preseason to win us over. And if he isn't up to snuff, he won't be on the roster come late August.
Do not feed the trolls.
At this point in his career, I think he is more likely to make the roster as a guard then a tackle. Last preseason he did look like he had serious balance issues. Who knows, maybe he will pull a Corey Webster and turn into a good player in his 3rd year.
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No one remembers who came in second.
The problem is that he isn't a power player. He isn't strong at all. You see it in his technique in that he uses his size to lean into his defender hoping to wall him off instead of actually trying to hold or push him back. I understand he was a project lineman, but his technique looks as if it had not improved since college.


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Wayacoyote has asked me to talk about my results. I have a couple of pictures of combs (and pictures of my TBHs) on my site:
He asked about brace comb ect.
The KTBH did well. It did swarm once long before it was full and I think I should have managed it a bit more to keep the brood chamber opened up. Brace was not a problem. I already had two different sized bars, 1 1/4" and 1 1/2" wide. I started with the 1 1/2" wide when the bees started making thicker honey storage comb. No combs collapsed. This one is in partial (mostly) shade.
The long Medium hive is standard Lanstroth width and medium depth (7 1/2" deep from the top to the Screen on the bottom which is ropughly the same as a 6 5/8" box on a 3/4" bottom board). It is in full sun, except for whatever shade the hive to the south of it gives. One comb collapsed but did not take any other combs with it. I worked it quite a bit. Brace comb was almost non existant. Certainly not a problem. I had 1 1/4" bars, 1 3/8" bars and 1 1/2" bars. I also put in a 1/2" wide piece once where the comb was wide and I wanted to get back in the center of the next bar.
Both the KTBH and the TTBH did well and I'll probably start another of the long medium depth (TTBH) ones next spring.
I'm still trying to work out how best to manage them to prevent swarming and maximize their use of the whole hive.


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Eileen Ferrari
CROSBY — Eileen Carol (Maloney McCormick) Ferrari, age 71, of Crosby died on Jan. 4, 2013, at the St. Cloud Hospital. She was born on July 13, 1941, in St. Paul, Minn., the sixth of seven children born to Daniel and Ella (Oertlepp) Maloney. Eileen's mother passed away suddenly in January of 1944. Her father was unable to keep the family together and the younger children were placed in St. Joseph's Orphanage and then foster care. Eileen and her younger sister Patricia were adopted by Ronald and Norma McCormick after WWII. In 1984, Eileen reunited with her birth family and enjoyed a loving relationship with her brothers and sisters. Eileen was a 1959 graduate of Our Lady of Peace High School and a proud 1962 graduated of the St. Cloud Hospital School of Nursing where she earned an RN. She later earned her Public Health Nurse and School Nursing certificate. She worked at Miller Hospital in St. Paul, the VA Medical Center, St. Cloud and the St. Cloud Hospital. She then became the city of St. Cloud's Public Health Nurse providing health care to the community and the numerous parochial schools in the area. In 1987, she became the school nurse for the Crosby-Ironton Schools where she worked until retirement in 2001.
Eileen married Bob Ferrari, Sr. on Feb. 16, 1963, at Holy Spirit Catholic Church in St. Paul, Minn. To this union were born four children, Lisa (Dale) Sova of Crosby, Bob Jr. of Crosby, Matt (Ann) of Two Harbors and Gina (Tim) McKanna of Crosby. Eileen was the proud grandmother of eight: Abby, Nate and Zach Sova; Buddy, Giorgi and Dominic Ferrari; and Kate and Kim Ferrari. She is also survived by brother, Dan Maloney of Little Canada; sisters, Shirley (Garret) Meyers of Eagan and Patricia (Frank) Slater of Forest Lake and many other relatives. She was preceded in death by her parents and brothers, Don, Ed and Jim Maloney.
A memorial mass will 10 a.m. on Saturday, Jan. 12, 2013, at St. Joseph's Catholic Church in Crosby. Burial will be at the Lakewood Cemetery in Crosby. Friends call at the Koop Funeral Home in Crosby on Friday from 4 to 8 with a rosary at 7 p.m. Memorials are being designated to establish The Eileen Ferrari Scholarship of Nursing Education.


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We need corners, LB's, and O-Line help. Safety will not be upgraded, I see a potential DE from the draft or FA as well. Shefter reported this morning that he's heard the Giants will be making drastic changes to the Defense this off season. Rotoworld reported if Webster and Diehl do not take MASSIVE paycuts this offseason, they will be cut.
We have a lot of players coming off our books this offseason, Phillips and Blackburn met with Reese on Monday and both sound as if they won't be coming back. Our defense is OLD and needs to speed up. One of the few bright spots this year was Will Hill. I disagree with Kruuunch's assesment on him. The kid is going to be a stud in this league and we locked him down for 3 years with a $1.44 million deal. Reese knows what he's doing, and I believe our D will look alot different next year. But safety is the last thing we need an upgrade on for D, even with a potential Phillips departure.
What is Rotoworld? and why should anyone care what they have to say?
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California Inland Empire schools Fight to end chocolate Milk
09:49 PM PDT on Tuesday, September 7, 2010
By MICHELLE L. KLAMPE and DAYNA STRAEHLEY
The Press-Enterprise
In school cafeterias across the Inland Empire, students face an important decision every day: White or chocolate milk?
Most choose chocolate. Kids say it tastes better.
"It has chocolate in it," Danny Calzaca, a second-grader at Alta Murrieta Elementary School, said recently after slurping up the contents of his 8-ounce chocolate milk pouch.
It may be kids' first choice, but some critics say chocolate milk has too much sugar. And, given the childhood obesity epidemic facing the country, they say it shouldn't be offered in schools at all.
Research has shown that adding chocolate or other flavoring may be the best way to get kids to drink more milk, according to available studies.
Almost one of every three students was overweight or obese in fifth, seventh and ninth grades in Riverside County public schools, according to 2009 physical fitness data analyzed by the county Department of Public Health.
The Florida State Board of Education considered banning chocolate milk from schools in that state earlier this year because of such concerns. A vote was delayed, but the board is expected to take it up again this month, spokeswoman Deborah Higgins said in an e-mail.
Temecula parent Amy Quinn, a nutrition coach who works with families to improve their diets, said she would support such an idea. Quinn, the mother of a 6-year-old who attends Abby Reinke Elementary School, packs water in her daughter's lunch.
"Removing chocolate milk, I think that would be wonderful," she said. "It's just contributing to the sugar that is so heavy in the diets of kids and adults these days."
Inland child nutrition directors say questions about chocolate milk's role in school lunches are arising more often, but so far none has stopped serving it.
Food service officials say they don't mind that about 80 percent of Inland students choose sugar-sweetened chocolate milk over white milk in school cafeterias because at least they are drinking milk.
"Above and beyond anything else, it's about getting the calcium into these kids," said Jill Lancaster, director of nutrition services for the Murrieta Valley Unified School District. "If it takes a little bit of chocolate to make the medicine go down, so be it."
Schools in California can't sell soda. In addition to milk, Riverside schools offer three kinds of 100 percent juice or water, said Rodney Taylor, director of Nutrition Services for Riverside Unified School District.
Riverside schools serve typical milk offerings of nonfat chocolate milk and 2 percent white milk, both with 130 calories per 8-ounce carton. The chocolate milk has 23 grams of sugar, compared to white milk's 13 grams.
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Food service workers at Alta Murrieta Elementary know what students like.
During a lunch last week, the cafeteria beverage cooler was well stocked with chocolate milk pouches, which statistics show are preferred by 88 percent of the school's students who drink milk. A tiny section of the cooler held regular milk pouches.
Some students said they would choose juice, not white milk, if chocolate were no longer offered.
"I wouldn't really care because there would still be juice," fifth-grader Megan Addonizio said.
That's one of the major arguments for keeping chocolate milk. Taylor is among those who worry fewer students would drink any milk at all if chocolate weren't offered.
Taylor said more comprehensive studies are needed about whether students really would drink plain milk if it were the only choice. Limited studies and pilot projects across the country suggest that students would not only drink less milk, they would buy fewer school lunches, Taylor said.
Betsey Adams, director of child nutrition for the Corona-Norco Unified School District, said the School Nutrition Association recently participated in a webinar with the Milk Processor Education Program.
In the dairy industry's studies, overall milk consumption dropped 35 percent when 58 schools nationwide stopped offering chocolate milk. Milk consumption didn't rebound in the second year at schools in the second year of that study.
What's more, when students took white milk, they drank less and wasted more of it in that study, which can be seen at www.milkdelivers.org.
Lisa Harris, director of child nutrition services for Alvord Unified School District, which includes parts of Riverside and Corona, said her experience bears out the study's findings.
"Years ago in a different district, when we introduced chocolate milk, we did see milk consumption go up," Harris said. "It was more than double the amount."
San Bernardino City Unified School District spokeswoman Linda Bardere said students there also choose nonfat chocolate milk about 80 percent of the time, although they drink more white milk at breakfast than lunch.
Schools are required to offer milk with breakfast and lunch by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the National School Lunch Program. But schools have the flexibility to decide what type of milk is offered, spokeswoman Jean Daniel said. The department is considering a recommendation to allow flavored milk only if it were low-fat.
"We do know children are not consuming enough milk," she said.
**** and teenage girls are developing the beginnings of osteoporosis and weakening of bones because they don't consume enough calcium, Daniel said.
Three of the five nutrients that most often fall short in children's diets are delivered by milk, said Julie Maniord, public health nutritionist and registered dietitian with the San Bernardino County Department of Public Health Nutrition Program.
Chocolate milk is "better than not drinking milk, and it's certainly better than other sugar-sweetened beverages that are more the culprits in childhood obesity," Maniord said.
Chocolate has three or four teaspoons more sugar than white milk with the same fat content, a 48 to 64 calorie difference, said Debbie Suess, registered dietitian with the Riverside County Department of Public Health.
Most Inland districts offer nonfat chocolate milk and low-fat white milk.
The white versus chocolate milk debate is only a piece of the healthy eating issue. Most children and adults don't eat enough leafy greens and orange vegetables, Daniel said.
"Only 3 percent of us nationwide meet all dietary guidelines," she said. "We're not eating enough whole grains, and we're eating too many calories and not exercising enough."
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Re: California Inland Empire schools Fight to end chocolate Milk
Welcome to the forum lovz2sun
As your post simply contains the newspaper article and no comments, I am unsure if you are in favor or not of chocolate milk being removed from the schools.
When I was a child in school in the UK , we had plain white milk..nothing added..just milk.
When my children were at school they had plain white milk..nothing added..just milk.
And at school today ( I am classroom help ) I saw the children being given plain white milk..nothing added..just milk.
The article above that you have posted mentions this...
""We do know children are not consuming enough milk," she said.
**** and teenage girls are developing the beginnings of osteoporosis and weakening of bones because they don't consume enough calcium, Daniel said."
This , and the sugar content of the chocolate milk should in my mind be enough to get the milk removed from the schools.
I read the article and checked out the link, the link has a diagram with the milk values for both non fat chocolate milk and 2% milk next to each other.
I note that the non fat chocolate milk (obviously) has less fat than the 2% milk ...no surprise here as its written on the product !
The non fat chocolate milk has 10% LESS calcium in it than the 2% milk
The non fat chocolate milk has significantly MORE SUGAR and contains 23 grams whilst the 2% milk contains 13 grams.
Chocolate milk also contains LESS protein ,8 grams ,whilst the 2% milk contains 10 grams.
Calorific value is it seems the same with both milks having 130 calories.
So...chocolate milk...same calories , less fat , more sugar, less calcium , less protein.
The children , it seems have the chocolate milk offered to them twice a day.
I can see why Mr Oliver bought a wheelbarrow full of sugar cubes onto the stage and tipped it out , during his TED speech.
At the end of the day, children will drink what they are used to.
If they have only ever been given 'white milk' at school ,or ,water they would expect no different.
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I think that we should give our kids what they need not what they want. If they only drink plain milk they will like it. My daughter loves plain milk or when I make her chocolate milk I only add a drop of chocolate to add color to it, she doesn't know the difference and I only make it for her for special dinners. My daughter is very picky and has a syndrome that makes it so she doesn't gain weight so at times it is so hard to tell her no to the sweets. But even though she will never have to fight the weight gain I think that what is giong in her body is imporante even though she will never see any fat on her. She hates veggies but I puree them and hide them in the foods she likes. The fatty foods she likes I try to find better ways to make them so they are healthier. It makes me healthy too. I would love to see the schools be more proactive on the health of our children. If they learn early enough on how to eat healthy that is about 90% of the battle.
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Re: California Inland Empire schools Fight to end chocolate Milk
Got to agree, kids will eat what they're used to. A friend's 3-year-old daughter has just finished growing out of a temporary dairy allergy, however she refuses dairy milk, butter, cheese etc as she's used to the taste of the soya-based alternatives. They're fortified with extra calcium so they're certainly not doing her any harm.
As a child I was only ever given unflavoured milk by my parents. At a friend's birthday party, given strawberry milk for the first time, I was horrified and nearly threw up! Why would anyone do that to perfectly good milk? If I'd wanted something sweet, I would've asked for ice cream. I've never touched flavoured milk since: that one experience was vile enough to put me off forever. Maybe this is coincidence, but I can't stand sugary tea either.
Also I know many people who will not eat haggis but I was introduced to it when I was little and I always knew what the ingredients were, and it was never a problem because I loved the taste so much! I still do.
Eating habits established in childhood can last a lifetime, whether they're good or bad, so I don't understand why so many schools don't care about food. I thought they were all about educating us for the future - instead, many schools (though not all) seem to be sabotaging our efforts to ensure our children eat a healthy and varied diet.
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Re: California Inland Empire schools Fight to end chocolate Milk
When I was in school we had white milk. Nothing else. If you had a milk allergy, you had to supply a note to the nurse and then you could get orange drink. That was it. No discussion, no choice.
I am in agreement with remove chocolate milk and get that juice the hell out of there too. My kids get one glass of juice a day. They know it and accept it. Kids are getting juice boxes and chocolate milk everywhere they turn. It's time to reduce the availability.
Another thing that gets my goat is that they offer water...but it's crazy expensive. Now, I know and you know that if you buy water in bulk, it doesn't cost anywhere near $1.00 or $1.50 a bottle. It's a product the school doesn't have to process or handle in any way besides stocking it so why is the mark-up so high that it makes it even less desirable to the kids????
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Middle East, however. For a band that is seemingly so wrapped up in their own image and perception, how can it not.As
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Oasis had basically become a parody thanks to infighting and cocaine. Instead of straight ripping off their sound, they bastardized
it, but in a good way, maintaining the jangly pop stylings while
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marketing genius is palpable in their live show as well. Last night,
they dropped incongruous hip-hop ad libs throughout their set, incited
frenzy by throwing water at the crowd, and singer Ellery James Roberts
even tried to trick us into believing that his scathing yelp is how he
sounds outside of song, dawning his best Tom Waits impersonation for
between banter.But
as I said, the hype is understandable, and deserved as well. The video for
"Spitting Blood" is a pretty indicative of the energy they maintained
for the show's duration. Whether they'll be able to keep the ball
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Original post made by Paul Losch, Community Center, on Jun 20, 2013
PALY has lost a principal of three years due to unfortunate personal circumstances. Terman is getting a new one due to the incumbent moving to the District office. That's the news this year. So far.
I was on the shuttle the Toyota dealership provides to pick up my car after routine service. The other passenger, a dad with kids in PAUSD schools and I got to talking, and we both more or less fell into the observation that turnover in PAUSD principals seems to be quite high.
My now grown kids went to Jordan, and I cannot remember how many times there was a new principal there during my kids' time at the middle school, at least 4. At least 3 at PALY over the time they were Vikings.
I have no idea what or why such a high churn rate in principals occurs. Obvious explanations, as in the current instances of career or health reasons, are understandable. Still, the job seems to be one in which people do not last very long, for whatever reason.
I worked for 8 years at a company earlier in my business life, and had 5 CEO's during my time there. A major reason for my leaving was that lacking a solid leader at the top, with some continuity, resulted in a dysfunctional organization.
Principals are CEO's. They should take on that mantle assuming and expecting that they are going to be on the job for at least several years. Positive impact only happens after being in such a position for a while. Negative impact, by contrast, can happen immediately, even when it may be for the right reasons longer term.
I hope those doing the hiring think long term about bringing in new principals, people committed to being on the job for a number of years, not viewing it as a career move to the next big thing.
Comments (19)
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jun 20, 2013 at 3:01 pm
It is a sickening thought that Kevin Skelly, probably the poorest judge of people, would actually PROMOTE the man at the very center of the Terman Middle School /OCR scandal! The thought of this guy being rewarded for being a lousy principal is stomach churning to say the least.
I hope at least he is being promoted to a place where he can't do too much more harm. He certainly never did any good where he was!
a resident of another community
on Jun 20, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Pleasanton lost six of its 15 principals for the coming school year due to retirement and new challenges--one who had been in the job one year. Some of it could be that high performing districts with active and vocal parents make leadership roles arduous. That is not to say it's wrong for parents to be involved; it's just an acknowledgement that it can be overwhelming after a few years. Also, leaders from high performing districts are actively recruited by other districts hoping to see growth for their students. I suppose some small percent are cases where people are quietly encouraged to look elsewhere or are not selected when applying for moves within the district. Long way of saying it's a mixed bag just like any job.
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Jun 20, 2013 at 4:10 pm
I agree that we seem to lose principals as often as my kids lose stuff at school.
I would like to see more promotion from within PAUSD for replacement principals as at least these individuals understand our district. I would love to see Chuck Merritt, former vp at Paly and now at El Carmelo, back at Paly as principal.
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Jun 20, 2013 at 5:33 pm
We have parents like the first poster on this thread. How long would you last? Humans tend to remember the negative minority even when they are doing everything right. And yes, PAUSD on the resume leads to promotions.
Part of the problem is that we have students attending our schools who need extra help. It's not so easy to help students who don't want to help themselves and whose families don't care. Most of the students in Palo Alto have families who put education as a priority. People seem to think PAUSD should hire tutors for these failing students when it's the families who should help them or the students who should ask for extra help but they don't.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jun 20, 2013 at 6:07 pm
Since you can't fire teachers, the Principal is the one in the middle - trying to serve students, parents. Just like you have some good teachers at Paly , you also have some BAD teachers with which the Principal can do very little.
The bad teachers will complain about the bad parents, but complain as they might, mostly good kids attend school and some are extremely good students.
The site based system combined with high Admin turnover is the way you end up with a haven for bad teachers, and actually a haven for bad leadership at the district level.
It's a risky game to play.
a resident of another community
on Jun 20, 2013 at 6:12 pm
God's people the blessed work behind the doors. Art is evolving, Beauty of it all. Nothin been lost: there are timed one needs to rest! Good move all I can say personally.
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Jun 20, 2013 at 7:36 pm
We have high turnover of administrators for the same reason that we have so few people running for School Board.
We are a VERY demanding District and we speak loudly and sometimes with very little facts (such as @Perish The Thought who complained that Dr. Skelly "would actually PROMOTE the man" from Terman.) The Terman principal is a woman...
We are probably a prime District to recruit from - I assume having Palo Alto on your resume gets you promoted more quickly.
a resident of Charleston Meadows
on Jun 20, 2013 at 10:05 pm
it's common that a principal only last 2-4 years. This is true for 90% of principals out there in every district anywhere.
Non issue.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jun 20, 2013 at 10:37 pm
If combined with site based control, is it a wonder few get it right?
Your stat sounds like something a perennial would throw around. Yep.
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Jun 21, 2013 at 7:35 am
I did a quick google search for the average tenure of school principals. Seems that 3-5 years pops up in a lot of results. This seems like a good thing to me. Organizations need turnover, particularly at the top--in order for meaningful review of organizational practices, and correction of problems to take effect.
I would like to see all Principlas/Directors, and above, rotated every five years, or so.
As to the PAUSD, is there a list of school principals, superintendents that is kept up-to-date that we can reference, to see how frequently rotation goes on in the PAUSD, for management-level employees?
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Jun 21, 2013 at 8:41 am
I think differently: I think that if there is a very good leader, like Sandra Pearson, then such person should be held onto as long as possible. There have been too frequent and sometimes jarring changes in principals/other administrators, and some of these people have been clearly abrasive, or clearly had certain priorities that didn't mesh with most of us. The principal is really, really important. Parents (and their students) have really different experiences (as recounted on these threads) depending on what era they are speaking of, and I often think this relates to who was/is principal at the time at the particular school being discussed. Get someone good and retain them as long as possible.
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Jun 21, 2013 at 9:41 am
> hold on to someone "special" as long as possible.
This is a commonly held belief, particularly in the public/education sector. But what makes these sorts of people "special", or "good"? One poster offers examples of "abrasive" as an example of what a "bad" principal might be like, however. How about providing details that makes this person "special"?
At issue here is really whether there is any management from the Top (Superintendent/Board), or are the schools simply in the hands of the employees (teachers, Administrators, Staff), who treat the buildings, children, parents, and the public in general, as "passive customers" of whatever they are selling?
There is simply no excuse for an "abrasive" school principal. Education is a publicly-funded activity—so everyone on the payroll works for the public. Public sector employment does not provide any excuse for the avoidance of courtesy, common sense, or any of the other social norms that the rest of us live by.
Principals should be subject to yearly reviews—which should include comments from the teaching staff, the classified staff, the Administration, the Board, and the public. Principals should be hired on a provisional basis, and offered no more than a five-year contract.
All Management level employees should be required to attend a course on topics such as: Public School Finance, The California EdCode, History of the school districts in the County, Facilities Management, Technology Available To Schools, etc. Some sort of test should be required to complete this training. Failure to complete the training would be a cause to terminate the individual's contract.
Moving schools from sort of "family-oriented", special interest-oriented activity, to one that is rooted in proven management techniques should be seen as one of the necessary steps to making American Education worth the money we pay for it.
Principals generally are promoted from the teaching ranks, and teachers are not the best prepared people to teach, much lest to manage other teachers and school sites:
Rookie US Teachers Woefully Unprepared:
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The problem is not keeping "good people" as much as a failure to create "good people" within the education system, nationwide. Anyone know if the PAUSD has any management training programs to groom future principals, or Administrators?
a resident of another community
on Jun 21, 2013 at 10:43 am
Principals are reviewed yearly. They have, essentially, one-year contracts. There are training programs PAUSD uses, most notably one at Harvard. Web Link There are coaching programs for new and aspiring administrators.
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Jun 21, 2013 at 11:15 am
The information posted by the previous poster is good to know. Perhaps this sort of information is conveyed to the public via the weekly packets given to the Board before each meeting, but the PAUSD web-site would be a better place to convey the program-level information for public consumption.
I suspect that yearly reviews of Admins/Principals are not available for public consumption--so the value of the reviews would be rather "private". Is that fair to say, or are there ways that the public can gain access to these reviews.
Anyone know if any PAUSD Principals have been booted because of a review? It would be interesting to compile a list of Principals, and see how long most have stayed in their jobs. Every once in a while there seems to be some "problem" with a principal, but the details of what happened to resolve the "problem" never seems to make it into the public domain.
The Harvard Professional Education series probably doesn't do much to prepare a person for being a principal in the California Education System. None the less, it's probably fair to say that there is no "bad" preparation for this sort of job.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jun 21, 2013 at 11:58 am
Turnover can be healthy in a centrally managed system, but in a district where decisions are mostly site based, and there is a teacher's union basically running everything, the incentive is probably to "ride" out a Principal or vice-versa. Administering and leadership are two different things. Winston was a leader, and that's why he gained respect.
The Superintendent position which actually should have more turnover seems like a life appointment in PAUSD and makes for a slow awkward annoying system. Real improvements are on the margin, power players or squeaky wheels get attention, and huge amounts of time are dedicated to propping up the Superintendent, including now hiring a $150,000 Communications secretary fro him. Happy is when a massive bond is approved, a million dollar donation is received, and success is measured by how the top students are doing. When real problems have to be solved, like special-ed issues or the achievement gap, it's considered a "disruption" to this happy camp.
I've heard of dozens of special needs students being farmed out to special schools because PAUSD cannot handle them in the regular system. Some of them have Attention Deficit Disorders, but that's such a "disruption" to our classrooms right? Instead of paying so much money to farm these kids out (add up the money over the years) why couldn't PAUSD invest and creatively serve these students better. Not everyone is Harvard bound here. As a matter of fact, there many more Paly students heading to gap years than to Harvard.
We can't fire bad teachers, which Paly by the way boasts plenty, but we are ok with turnover at the Admin level. This is not like a CEO situation, because a good CEO could fire the worst and hire the best.
And we can't seem to have a healthy turnover at the real top.
We need to elect board members who can see this for what it is, and to propose changes.
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Jun 21, 2013 at 1:48 pm
I'm sure it is difficult to "know" the good apples from the bad apples. But there is no mistaking that the tone and atmosphere at a school is indeed set from the top - the principal is crucial. I avoided getting into specific examples, but at PALY there have been a bunch of wildly different principals and student/parent experiences are commensurately wildly different. I will make one minor mention: there was a PALY principal who prioritized football over the arts (did not attend music events) whereas his successor impressed me by being visible supporting the latter. We all have things that are important to us, and the "Visible" type principal is probably important to more of us...some do not put in appearances around campus. I know nothing about the current (just resigned) PALY principal except he seems much milder than past ones (I could cite one I cited favorably above as a contrast because she conflicted with a set of parents - not us - not all that long ago and had a short tenure at PALY)-
So some things will be good for some people, and other things good for other people, but a clear emphasis on pleasant, efficient, accessible leadership on campus with all constituencies is most important IMO.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jun 22, 2013 at 9:22 pm
There are stats available to show average stay of superintendent is only a few years and average stay for a principal in California is shirking as well, but Kevin Skelly's third year did result in a transition that was not regular. He often blames it on retirement, but keep in mind people will retire often in troubled times, and 2009-2010 was one of those times. This is a difficult time right now for principals. Skelly has pushed out or transferred the principals or assistant principals that he could during his six years, he cannot afford to lose their support in his own troubled time. The Terman principal move to the district office is suspect. She was under a lot of scrutiny as this was done. That is now a pattern with Skelly. he moves people when the heat is applied to him. The timing of the Palo Alto High principal's reassignment, though voluntary, is a bit questionable. All principals and superintendents must endure a high amount of stress and it is unfortunately common for many to have serious illnesses in their career, and continue working. Working as a teacher, if we use the postings of teachers on this forum, is extremely difficult and rewarding, but it, too, is very stressful. A very few parents in Palo Alto behave out of bounds, but do not forget the negative power of the very few teachers who misuse a union's power on some of these principals as well. I've checked on the Harvard summer seminars that the principals attend and I'm told they are no different than the ones available all over California. Skelly did go to Harvard, he certainly would not have been hired without that brand, and he does his alma mater a service when he authorizes some $40-50 thousand for what looks like a week of vacation. If this Harvard institute is so good, why is there so much turnover in the principal ranks? Life-work balance is management 101.
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Jun 22, 2013 at 11:01 pm
Palo Alto High's nickname is Paly, not PALY, which is an acronym. The name, "Paly" should not be all capital letters.
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Jun 22, 2013 at 11:24 pm
I'm so sad that Mr. Winston resigned. What will we do now? He helped our school so much.
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