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ARSC HPC Users' Newsletter 336, March 16, 2006
- X1 Cross-Compiler, Skagway, Open to all Klondike Users
- Using PAT Performance Analysis Tools on Skagway
- Klondike Default PrgEnv, Minor Upgrade to Synchronize with Skagway
- IDL training at ARSC
- Space still available: Distributed MATLAB Symposium, Next Week
- Quick Tip
X1 Cross-Compiler, Skagway, Open to all Klondike Users
All klondike users can now log onto skagway. Skagway is the previously announced 4-CPU Linux system configured as a cross-compiling system and front-end host for klondike.
We encourage all klondike users to at least experiment with shifting the bulk of their X1 interactive, or front-end, tasks to skagway. We expect you will find it a satisfying transition.
Here's most of what skagway offers:
Identical programming environment to the X1:
- "modules" command
- Cray compilers and libraries
- Cray man pages
- 10x faster compilation and linking of X1 codes.
- Faster code profiling and tracing using pat_build and pat_report.
- Faster Unix/Linux utilities such as tar and zip.
- Submission and monitoring of klondike PBS Batch jobs.
- Linux operating system and utilities
- Availability of open-source compilers and interpreters such as gcc and python. (gcc can't generate X1 executables, but might be useful for pre-processing of codes.)
- Availability of EMACS (!!!) and other editors.
- System availability for programming tasks, even when the X1 itself is down for upgrades or maintenance.
The "news" items on skagway as well as the following document will help you get started:
Using PAT Performance Analysis Tools on Skagway
Skagway not only speeds up compilation and linking, it speeds up pat_build and pat_report. On klondike, the processing of large profile and trace files (".xf" files) can be prohibitively slow. On skagway, we've observed a roughly 4x speedup from pat_report.The basic procedure is:
On skagway:
- make
- pat_build
- copy the instrumented binary and all data files, etc. to $WRKDIR
- set PAT environment variables
- run
- copy the .xf file back to skagway
- pat_report
In issues > 305 and > 311 we provided shell scripts which explain and simplify the use of CrayPAT. These scripts work on skagway or klondike. See: Running "patcalltreefunc -h" (from issue > 305 ), for instance, explains how to build and run a profiling experiment and dump a call tree:
KLONDIKE$ ./patcalltreefunc -h Syntax: patcalltreefunc [-h] <instrumented_exec_name> <name_of_xf_file> Preparation: 1. Instrument the executable: pat_build <executable_name> <instrumented_exec_name> 2. In the PBS script (or interactive environment): [ksh] export PAT_RT_EXPERIMENT=samp_cs_time [csh] setenv PAT_RT_EXPERIMENT samp_cs_time 3. Run the instrumented executable. E.g., mpirun -np 4 ./<instrumented_exec_name> 4. This produces the .xf file needed by this script
After performing the "Preparation" steps, you run "patcalltreefunc" script again (without -h) to produce the report. Alternatively, you can reference the man pages for pat, pat_build, pat_run, and pat_report and design profiling/tracing experiments to match your specific needs.
Sample skagway qsub script:
Assuming you've built the instrumented binary, here's a qsub script to automate the copying to and from klondike. Remember that the script runs on klondike, even though you submit it from skagway.
############## #PBS -q default #PBS -l mppe=1 #PBS -l walltime=30:00 #PBS -S /bin/ksh set -x # It is expected that this script exists on $XCHOME and is submitted # while logged onto skagway. When a batch script runs, it runs on # klondike regardless of where it was submitted. "PBS_O_WORKDIR" # is set to the path and directory from which it was submitted on # skagway. "PBS_O_HOST" is set to the host from which it was submitted. if [[ -z $PBS_O_WORKDIR ]]; then echo "Error: can't run this script interactively. Use qsub." return 1 fi if [[ $PBS_O_HOST != "skagway.arsc.edu" ]]; then echo "Error: this script was not submitted from skagway." return 1 fi # Grab the last directory name off path to directory (on skagway) # from which this script submitted. THISDIR=${PBS_O_WORKDIR##*/} # Get a unique name for the run directory. RUNDIR=$(date +%Y%m%d.%H%M) # Define the needed paths and create the klondike run directory. Uses: # $WRKDIR which is predefined for ARSC users as working directory, # $XCROOT which is predefined to point to the root of the skagway # home directory filesystem. KLONDIKE_RUNDIR="$WRKDIR/$THISDIR/$RUNDIR" SKAGWAY_WORKDIR="$XCROOT/$PBS_O_WORKDIR" mkdir -p $KLONDIKE_RUNDIR cd $KLONDIKE_RUNDIR # Copy everything from skagway to klondike needed for the run cp $SKAGWAY_WORKDIR/d.inst $KLONDIKE_RUNDIR/ # Define the PAT experiment and run the code on klondike export PAT_RT_EXPERIMENT=samp_cs_time aprun -n 1 ./d.inst # Copy the entire run directory back to skagway for processing # with pat_report cp -r -p $KLONDIKE_RUNDIR $SKAGWAY_WORKDIR/ ##############
After the job ends, you should have a copy of the .xf and all output back on skagway. In this simple example, you'd simply cd to the run directory and run pat_report (or patcalltreefunc) to produce the profile report.
Using this script, you wouldn't need to log onto klondike at all.
Klondike Default PrgEnv, Minor Upgrade to Synchronize with Skagway
Next Wednesday, April 22, we will upgrade the default programming environment on klondike from PE 220.127.116.11 to PE. 22.214.171.124. At that point it will match PrgEnv on the cross-compiling system.
PrgEnv.new is already synchronized between skagway and klondike. PrgEnv.old (PE 22.214.171.124) doesn't exist on skagway because a linux cross-compiler version didn't exist for it at the time of its release.
With this temporary exception of PrgEnv.old, it is ARSC's intention to keep our three primary programming environments,
- PrgEnv.old
- PrgEnv
- PrgEnv.new
equivalent on skagway and klondike.
IDL training at ARSC
ARSC is sponsoring IDL training:
Title: "Introduction to IDL" Dates: April 26-28, 8:30 - 5:00 every day Location: ARSC classroom (WRRB 009)
This course is prepared and presented by trainers from the IDL vendor, Research System Inc. (RSI), and is for new and beginner IDL users. This training is open to any ARSC users and other members of the UAF community.
Beginning with the basic concepts of variables and line plotting, the course takes students through file manipulation, programming methods, interactive data visualization and analysis techniques. Users are introduced to the IDL Development Environment (IDLDE) and IDL's advanced mathematical and image processing capabilities.For more information and to register, see:
Space still available: Distributed MATLAB Symposium, Next Week
Next week at ARSC! Distributed MATLAB Symposium.
Registration and info:
Quick-Tip Q & A
A:[[ On some systems, when I use vi/vim to open a file and scroll down to [[ a particular line and then exit, vi/vim remembers the position within [[ the file. The next time I open the file it returns me to that [[ position. [[ [[ I can't get this feature working everywhere. Do you know how one [[ enables this? [ Editor's Response ] When you exit from vim, it saves the last cursor position in a file called .viminfo which is located in your home directory. Some linux distributions include a customized system-wide vimrc (e.g. in /etc/vimrc) which puts the cursor to the most recent jumplist position listed in the .viminfo file when a file is opened. Below is an excerpt from the /etc/vimrc for SuSE linux, which places the cursor at the last known position within the file: if has("autocmd") " When editing a file, always jump to the last known cursor position. " Don't do it when the position is invalid or when inside an event handler " (happens when dropping a file on gvim). autocmd BufReadPost * \ if line("'\"") > 0 && line("'\"") <= line("$") \ exe "normal g`\"" \ endif endif " has("autocmd") If this section of code is added to your local ~/.vimrc file, vim should use the last jumplist position listed for the file. NOTE: vim must be compiled with jumplist enabled to use this functionality. Running "vim --version" will show which options were enabled at compile time. Q: I've got a misbehaving file with lots of hidden and wierd characters. Here's some sample output from "od -c" : % od -c file.txt 0000000 \r t h i s i s a l i t t l 0000020 e d e m o o f t h e 311 0000040 f e a t u r e s o f \r t h e 0000060 a u t o c o r e c t 311 f u n 0000100 c t i o n o f t h i s w o 0000120 r d p r o c e s s o r 252 , 0000140 h e r e . \r \r \n From the quick-tip in issue 287 I know how to get rid of these characters, but first I need to know what they are. There must be some pipeline of Unix utilities that would convert the "od -c" output into a simple list of the characters that appear in the file. Any help?
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Excuse me waitress, Could you get me another drink? This one doesn't have a strondom, and I practice safe drinking.
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Fishermen from coastal villages in southern India can now access information on weather conditions and the market in their own language via mobile phone. This has not only improved the standard of living for their entire communities, but it has also saved the lives of a number of fishermen who would have died at sea. This article from Global Information Society Watch 2009 – Advancing human rights and democracy looks at concrete examples of how access to information through mobile phones and technology is adding to the wallets of the poor. Photo: "Carl Parkes":http://www.flickr.com/people/friskodude/Ver artículo completo http://www.giswatch.org/gisw2009/thematic/InformationLivelihoods.html


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text: What the hell is wrong with people? A 24 year old guy runs into a school and kills a bunch of children! They said there were 2 shooters, They said that one killed himself. I would love to have 30 seconds with either or both of them at the same time, no weapons needed, just 30 seconds. No matter what is going on in your life what kind of reasoning says "Let's go shoot a bunch of innocent kids"? I really had to control myself in this post, had a hard time getting my point across without vulgarity. I don't push religion but, I pray for the families and kids impacted by these two sorry excuses for human beings http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/12/live-updates-newtown-ct-school-shooting/


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st: psmatch2 with the if condition
"Dr. Roberto Mura" <email@example.com>
st: psmatch2 with the if condition
Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:53:56 +0000
Dear all, I have a cross sections of companies, some listed some private.
I am trying to find a matching private (undiversified) firm for each
listed one, on the basis of company size. Also, since my dataset is
cross country, I am trying to control for country and sic code as
well. To this end, I have created a condition, called condition1 to
divide the sample into a set of clusters: catenate condition1 = country sic2
Now, once a match is found, I need Stata to report some accounting
data for the matched private firm on the same row as the listed firm.
I have tried to create a "self-fulfilling" nested loop so that I
don't need to specify beforehand the total number of clusters
(condition1) and also because the total number of firms changes with
different clusters (Ncondition1 below). The problem that I am facing
is that psmatch2 does not seem to understand the "if" condition.
I have uploaded the dataset (for version 11 and for version 9 of
Stata) and the do file in my website under
www.robertomura.com/psmatch2/ if you want to take a look.
Here is what I do:
use "D:\AAA.dta", clear
catenate condition1 = country sic2
gen quotedcondition1=1 if quotedcompany==1
replace quotedcondition1=0 if quotedcompany==0 & diversification_orig==1
gen quotednumerator=.
gen quoteddenomenator=.
gen privatenumerator=.
gen privatedenominator=.
egen g=group(condition1)
bysort condition1: gen Ncondition1=_N
local j=1
while `j' <=g {
psmatch2 quotedcondition1 if g==`j', pscore(size) noreplacement
replace quotednumerator=fnetincome if _nn==1
replace quoteddenomenator=shareholdersfundsnew if _nn==1
replace privatenumerator=fnetincome if _n1==_id
replace privatedenominator=shareholdersfundsnew if _n1==_id
local i=1
while `i' <Ncondition1 {
replace privatenumerator=fnetincome[_n+`i'] if _n1==_id[_n+`i']
replace privatedenominator=shareholdersfundsnew[_n+`i'] if _n1==_id[_n+`i']
replace privatenumerator=fnetincome[_n-`i'] if _n1==_id[_n-`i']
replace privatedenominator=shareholdersfundsnew[_n-`i'] if _n1==_id[_n-`i']
local i = `i' + 1
local j = `j' + 1
The problem seems to lie in
psmatch2 quotedcondition1 if g==`j', pscore(size) noreplacement
What seems to be happening is that the matching is done only for the
first 3 firms of the first cluster and then Stata is mis-assigning
the _id since the numbers do not follow the clustering but rather,
Stata is applying the psmatch2 considering the sample as a whole. If,
for instance, I change the if condition into:
psmatch2 quotedcondition1 if g==1, pscore(size) noreplacement
then Stata is not matching inside the cluster (condition1) but again
it is treating the sample as a whole. In other words the "if"
condition does not appear to be used at all by Stata.
Thank you all for your kind attention
Kind regards
Dr. Roberto Mura, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Finance
Program Director for MSc in Finance and Economics
Program Director for MSc in Finance and Business Economics
The Manchester Accounting & Finance Group
Manchester Business School
home page: www.robertomura.com
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Bend police seek 2 suspects in New Year's stabbing
Officers mum on many details amid investigation
BEND, Ore. - A Bend man and woman are recovering from wounds in a stabbing at a northeast Bend apartment early New Year's Day, police said late Friday as they asked the public for any tips to help find two suspects.
However, police also are remaining tight-lipped about several aspects of the case, in order not to jeopardize the investigation, said Sgt. Nick Parker.
Police were called to the Reserves at Pilot Butte about 4:30 a.m. Tuesday on a reported stabbing at No. 204 at the complex at 21312 Hwy. 20, Parker said.
Officers found a woman with injuries to her arm and a man injured on the back of his head, both "consistent with being caused by a knife," Parker said.
The two were taken by ambulance to St. Charles-Bend with non-life-threatening injuries, the sergeant said, adding that both have since been released from the hospital.
The victims gave investigators descriptions of the two suspects, who reportedly fled in a vehicle. The suspects were not known to the victims, Parker added, declining to release the descriptions of them or their vehicle.
"We want to protect the victims until the suspects are arrested," Parker said. "Anything more released we believe would be detrimental to the case."
The investigation is continuing, and there have been no arrests at this time, Parker said. Anyone with information about the incident was asked to contact Bend police at (541) 693-6911.


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Term for a closet gay male who tries to hide his homosexuality by overly emphasizing he is not gay. Will not attend a movie with another male friend out of fear of being perceived as gay. Can't be seen walking next to or within arm's lenght of another male for the same reason. All conversations with said person include the phrase, "You are so gay!", or "That is gay!". Rohniqua is belived to be derived from marrying the terms "erroneous" and "queen" or "queer", with a certain flair.
1.)Aaron is a rohniqua. He will not go and see Talledega Nights with me.
2.) What a rohniqua. He said that if I liked football, I was gay.
2.) What a rohniqua. He said that if I liked football, I was gay.
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It is really not an issue. I add water to mine maybe once a year at the most. Check it in the fall and top it off if needed, that's it.
It is really not an issue. I add water to mine maybe once a year at the most. Check it in the fall and top it off if needed, that's it.
>>>>Solenoid valve on the cold water line. Good for many years.<<<<
Dang redneck, just wants to argue, that's all.
They work fine as they are.
Well dadgum it iddee, you didn't say they only gotta be filled once a year!!
Asides, you asked me where my redneck guts was anyhow!
Ya know though, that's what I do for a living. Make stuff work by itself, put it on your puter screen so you can see it work and override the control if that's what tickles your fancy. Sorry, I get it honest. Just ain't figured out how to make them stinking hives run themselves, harvest and extract whilst I watch the picture tube.
"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." Winston Churchill
I was leaning toward geo-thermal before this thread was started, but now I think I'm even more interested in it. These boiler systems seem to be a fair amount of maintenance not to mention the work and worry of finding and paying for wood. May be different if I had the land and wood. It's not readily available around here, not free anyway.
I do have the room to put in the lines for a geo-thermal unit(s) without the cost of drilling. In the short term it would save me on power consumption because of the temperatures here. Winters are just cold enough that my heat pumps can't maintain the temperatures and need to be assisted by heat strips that cause the power meter to spin like a top. It would also make the move to solar panels even more attractive as they become more efficient and would be able to better able to handle the loads without the need to drive heat strips. And not to mention the maintenance and work that wouldn't come close to that of the boiler systems.
"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." Winston Churchill
Well, I do have the land and the wood, but what I am running out of is my youth.
It is not an attractive thought to be cutting, hauling, etc. all the wood to keep an outdoor boiler running during the winter. I am almost 52 now, do I really want to do this in 20 years? Sure, the exercise is good....but....
I started this thread, but it seems like geo-thermal would be the best route. I was leaning that way anyway. However, I really don't know what it would cost to run here in the central IL winters.....guess I need to ask more questions.
Geothermal is hard to beat, operation cost-wise. Think of it more like transferring Btus from the home to the earth during summer and retrieving them during cold months. A side benefit is 'free' hot water during the air conditioning months. This is from a simple device called a desuperheater that many geo systems come with from the factory. Vertical well application or trench if you have the room are used, with roughly 500 ft. of soil contact per ton needed. The vertical loops (wells) are nice, in that a number of them can be installed in a relativly small space. Installation costs of the loops is the one major hurdle to overcome. Once they loop field is installed, it lasts a long time, probably longer than the building itself does. The equpment typically lasts longer than standard heat pumps or A-C systems also.
Again, don't forget thermal shell improvements. Make the structure so that it needs fewer Btu's. Make sure the right improvements are being done, so good money isn't being tossed at a solution with poor economics. An evaluation of the building needs to be done first, to establish what improvements are necessary. The improvements need to be done prior to installing any HVAC, because the heating/cooling loads are reduced. The result is often that the home needs smaller HVAC equipment, with an obviously lower installed cost. Then, reduceed operating costs are an on-going bonus following thermal improvements.
We promote geo whenever possible for a number of the right reasons. You just can't get much 'greener' than when using the earth as your Btu bank.
lots to learn out there:}:}
"Life without God is like an unsharpened pencil - it has no point."
[quote=Bizzybee;367047]I was leaning toward geo-thermal before this thread was started, but now I think I'm even more interested in it. quote]
In your area I would think that an "air to air" heat pump would
be more than efficient enough. It is a lot less spendy than
a ground source heat pump (geo thermal).
Mine heat great even up here in the tundra down to about 25F
and then the outlet air is "chilly". But at 30F and above the
air is great. At 40F to 50F it is downright hot.
If you already have central air switching to a heat pump
is simple, and cheap.
True geo thermal systems go way deeper than most
home systems, at a very high cost. Home systems
are going to be into 50F to 60F earth year round. In
the south that makes them not a heck of a lot better
than an air to air.
Closing in on retirement.......
They aren't as efficient as you may think here. Maybe from about Macon south they would be a lot better. But here in the foothills the temps from about now through February at nite are below 40 to 45 soon to be at, near or below freezing. The heat strips are going to start coming on below 40 and run very often at or below freezing. My power bill will run above $325 a month for the next 3 months and begin dropping in February or March. To a rate of about $125 a month until the temps are again above about 85 certainly above 90. Then the heat pumps will run continuously to cool the house again taking my bill back to around $300 a month. I'm running (2) 2-1/2 ton heat pumps, all electric service handling air for something between 2500-2800 sq ft.
Having 50-60 degree water running through the pumps during the winter would prevent the strips from powering up and also reduce the runtime through spring and summer temps. By my estimates, I could reduce my cost by about $1200 a year in power just for heating and cooling. Any gain in heated hot water for inside use would just be icing on the top.
I can easily install the field lines myself reducing the initial installation cost significantly. I have mucho plenty of experience in underground construction.
Besides, I would like to build a nice big fishy pond while I have a backhoe on site.
"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." Winston Churchill
bill (heat, hot water, hot tub, and lights) is about $85. Running
only the air to air heat pump.
In the cold stuff, -30F to 25F I run off peak electric baseboard
heat and my highest electric bill last year was $145/month.
But as to the fish pond,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, can't argue there.
Closing in on retirement.......
May be that Georgia Power is piping our power down here from your place and they are charging us for the pipe??
Heck, I was happy to see the bill I got now after moving down here from Asheville!! I was paying that on Carolina Power & Light and we heated with oil up there.
"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." Winston Churchill
Heat pumps (ground or air) are super efficient and
cheap to heat with.
Closing in on retirement.......
I have a Central Boiler outdoor woodstove and love it. It cost $6500 installed, but paid for itself in four years(propane savings). Smoke isn't a big deal, and only when the draft is open. I use slab wood, so cost is less than $600 per year, including the electric to run it.
"I reject your reality, and substitute my own." Adam Savage


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Just wondering if there was any body using top-bar hives,and maybe their experiences with them?I have two of them and three lang-style hives.Thanks JOHN
Just wondering if there was any body using top-bar hives,and maybe their experiences with them?I have two of them and three lang-style hives.Thanks JOHN
John, Noticed you are from Ala. I'm in P'cola and just finishing a top bar hive for swarm introduction this spring. Have you seen the hive in use by Peter Springhall, at www.kentbee.com/bromley ? I am in the process of completing a hive similar to his and plan to introduce the bees onto 4.9mm foundation. Will cut full sheets to fit the hive body.
Made my hive with slight modifications: put in a screened botton with a slide in winter wind blocker; have had good reports on the use of screened bottom board for mite control. The topbar hive will be a new experience for me. Have had bees in the past in standard hives; in fact, I have just completed four hive bodies, screened bottom boards and one shallow super. Will most likely not need even a second hive body since I will have the hives in town.
Read that there are bee keepers in N.Y. City and if they can produce honey thought that I might also
Trying to figure out a simple way to make 4.9mm foundation. Thinking along the lines of two fiberglass pads laid up from each side of a sheet of foundation. Would require some type of spacer and then simple clamping to impress the foundation form onto a sheet of wax. May begin on that project soon. R.M.M.
> Trying to figure out a simple way to make 4.9mm foundation. Thinking along the
> lines of two fiberglass pads laid up from each side of a sheet of foundation.
I have tried them in the past. I usually make the top bars an even 1 1/2 because I can rip up scrap 2 bys for top bars. My first experiments were in about 1976. I used sloped sides because of references I found to baskets used by the Greeks. This worked well. You have to be more gentle with the combs. You can't go flipping them around like you do frames and you can't extract them.
The tricky part is getting the bees to build on the bars. I've done several things that worked. One is a starter strip. You just cut a groove and put a narrow strip of foundation in the groove. I use a "wax tube" from Walter T. Kelly to wax it in. Another method is to cut the bar so it angles to the middle. This is only about 3 degrees or so, but it makes a ridge in the middle. The tricky part of this is the woodworking is more complex. you have to cut the slope and you have to come back and cut a notch in the slope for the ends to be flat again. I rub the ridge with bees wax. This seems to work. I have heard of people dipping string in wax and laying it on the bars in a straight line down the middle. I have NOT tried this, but it might work. I don't run the wax to the edge because you want them to stop before they get there.
I have just built a trough hive of Langstroth width, so I can use frames and top bars. I'm not sure if they will connect the sides. It is a pain working with solid top bars (as in no gap between the tops) because if they cross comb anything you can't tell until you broken it all up. Mostly you have to be more gentle, but that's a step in a good direction anyway.
I have kept bees in a sloped sided top bar hive. I tried several things for the bars (which I think it the hard step). I tried making them sloped to the middle (which isn't too bad if you have a plane, but is a little difficult) and rubbing the peak with beeswas, I tried grooving them and putting in a starter strip of foundation. Both of these worked well. If you don't do something to get the bees to build in the middle it won't work too well. I made my bars 1 1/2" wide beacuse it was easy to make them from scrap 2 bys. As long as you have something down the middle for the bees to start on this spacing works fine, although most people reccomend 1 3/8". I'm sure 1 3/8" works fine too.
I'm going to try them in a straight sided trough hive built to Lanstroth diminsions so I can mix the top bars with regular frames. I'm hoping I can do my brood and extracted honey in frames and my comb honey on top bars. I've read from people who are using them that the straight sided ones work as well as the sloped ones.
Here are some sties on top bar hives:
http://nanaimo.ark.com/~cberube/ktbh.htm http://outdoorplace.org/beekeeping/kenya.htm http://nanaimo.ark.com/~cberube/images/ktbhplan.gif http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm http://www.kentbee.com/bromley/teaching.htm http://nanaimo.ark.com/~cberube/5.htm
I like not having to buy foundation and it's intersting to watch what the bees build without much of my intervention.
I'm a novice beekeeper and just have two hives (until next year). One of them is a Lang, the other is a top bar hive that I converted from an old Lang body (I cut top bars to go across the narrower width so the entrance would be aligned parallel with the bars). The more interesting hive to observe is the top bar, imo, eventhough the frame hive is supposed to be more productive. I won't really know until next year because I won't start harvesting any honey until then. I used 1x2's to make the top bars, and secured a one inch strip of foundation along the top of each which seems to work very well.
Michael- have you been able to find any good info on building a honey press? Did you build yours? The only info I have found is not descriptive enough for me to use in construction, and the photos were too poor to really see how it works. Thanks for any info.
I already raise a lot of comb honey and I have frame hives, so I was just going to use the top bars for comb and the frames for extracted honey. But, if it was me, I'd just buy an uncapping tank (the small hobbiest ones) or make one out of wood. Put a layer of wire screen door screen on top of the queen excluder (that is usually used for these) and just mash the combs with your hands. Squeeze them into a ball in your fist. I did this for years before I bought an extractor. You put the squished combs (squeeze as much honey out as you can first) on the screen and let them drain. The comercial uncapping rigs like this have a honey gate on them for bottling, so you just run it out into the bottles. You may think it's messy, but you get honey all over your hands no matter what anyway.
I've never used a press, but they might be better, and they might not.
Instead of running the bars width ways, I would have run the bars the length of the lang and built a bottom board going the other way. That way you could use frames anytime you feel like it. All of my lang bottom boards already go long ways.
The main reason I built the bars to go across the shorter width was (actually a couple of reasons)... anyway, I wanted the entrance to be across the shorter distance for ease of handling the combs. I am under the impression that they build the brood area near the entrance with honey storage at the back, and this gives them more depth. I also didn't want to close the entrance I already have and cut out a new one or build a new bottom board. Primary reason- I got the bees late in the season and wanted to give them a minimal space to fill, hoping they will be able to winter over adequately until I can place them in a larger hive with standard size bars next spring. Made sense to me, but then I am new at this. LOL
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I do like the bars running paralell to the entrance, which is why I build and buy bottom boards that way. (yes you can buy them from www.beeworks.com with the ventilation kit for a langstroth). I'm sure it will work fine for you. I've just found that sticking with standardization keep so many more options open.
Hi Michael and Everyone,
Any new thoughts on topbar hive design since building one earlier this year?
Are the frames truely interchangeable or do the bees prefer to put different types of comb/cells in different locations?
I think the only way for me to see what the bees do naturally is to build a top bar hive. Besides I have been interested in them since the mid 70's and love building neat bee stuff.
I am really interested in the overwintering aspects. Talking with others with some experience with top bar hives, they indicated the bees may have some problem relocating the winter cluster horizontally.
Best Wishes
Dennis- Here in Texas, I will be surprised if over-wintering in TBH's will be a problem, but since I'm new to this, I could very well be wrong. In your area, it would be a much different story. You could probably come up with an insulating system that would really help them out. As far as the frames being interchangeable in the hive I recently built, it will be interchangeable, but requires a small modification in construction because of the 3/4 inch thickness of the front and back hive body boards, so there ends up being a small gap if you want to use a standard hive body as compared to one you measure and cut to your needs. To be frank, speaking from an amature viewpoint, I am much more impressed with the TBH in the speed with which the bees build their own comb from scratch as compared to drawing out foundation. Maybe I just have an exceptionally industrious group of workers on my hands, but they have far surpassed my expectations in the short time I have had them.
>Any new thoughts on topbar hive design since building one earlier this year?
I'm going with a mixture of top bars and frames. They are pretty interchangable. Mostly I'm using frames. I'm trying to get the bees regressed and I want to be able to extract any 4.9mm or eve 5.1mm frames of honey and use them for brood.
>Are the frames truely interchangeable or do the bees prefer to put different types of comb/cells in different locations?
They tend to put the brood toward the front and the honey fills out toward the back, but you can move things where you think you want them. You do have to watch them connecting the sides. They won't fill them in solid (if your starter doesn't run all the way to the edge) but they will connect them here and there and they combs are more fragile so you have to cut the brace comb on the sides loose before doing to much. You just have to pay more attention to what you're doing.
>I think the only way for me to see what the bees do naturally is to build a top bar hive. Besides I have been interested in them since the mid 70's and love building neat bee stuff.
You can also put starter strips in frames and see what they build. If you really want to just see what they do naturally, build a box the size of a langstroth deep with one wall made of plexiglass. I use 2x2's to build a frame to hold the plexiglass on. Now take a scrap of plywood and cut it to fit over the frame or in the hole where the plexiglass is so you can shut the "shutters" on the window. Put a bunch of 2x2's or 1x2's on the top like a top bar hive, but don't put in any starter strips. That way they can build anywhere they want. You can watch through the window. You can set the box up on it's side to cut out comb honey. If you cut carefully you can get where you can take a 1x2 off the top to get access there. It's a fun experiment. It's a mess, but not as bad as you might think.
>I am really interested in the overwintering aspects. Talking with others with some experience with top bar hives, they indicated the bees may have some problem relocating the winter cluster horizontally.
I haven't overwintered a horizontal hive yet. The top bar boxes I've built in the past I used as a super or I moved the bees to a regular hive. I'm not sure I'll have a hive built up enough to overwinter in a horizontal box this winter. I may have to move the bars/frames into a regular langstroth deep and stack them on top of a healthy hive with a double screen wire. Hopefully I'll have a good strong one next winter to see. I am worried a bit about how they will do. But wild bees seem to survive in worse situations all the time.
Hello Dragonfly and Michael
Thanks for the ideas and insight. I often run an observation hive and a hive with a plexiglass inner cover at my home. The modified super will be easy to build and a usefull addition. Must also build that TBH next year too. Now, I'm really going to have some fun. :> )
My small cell experience shows how important the comb is and cell size is only one aspect. You TBH guys are in a great position to contribute much to the understanding of its effects on bee behavior. Maybe I've been running on plastic foundation and lots of assumption much to the detriment of the bees.
As the bees put most of the brood toward the front of the hive, is most of the smaller cell comb found there with larger cell comb toward the rear? Or do the bees construct each comb similiar with a central area of smaller cells surrounded by drone and larger cells?
If combs toward the rear of the hive are primary larger cell,what happens when the hive expands in size? Is the comb toward the rear of the hive reworked to provide more worker size cells?
I have also read elsewhere that the bees seem to draw out the comb faster in TBHs than in regular hives. I wonder what is frustrating them in the standard hive?
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In process of building our first tbh, making it with straight sides,large enough to hold 30 tb's and using standard hive dimensions so that regular frames will work in tbh. Just purchased a book by Roger A. Morse titled ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture. It states that top bar bee hives are "a bad idea in hive construction that appears repeatedly in the beekeeping press". Any tbh users agree with this statement?
There are advantages and disadvantages. One big plus is the cost. You can build top bars easily. Frames are much more difficult to make. If you use scrap lumber to build the hives and bars you could have a hive for just the labor. if you use a sheet of masonite soaked in water, dipped in wax to make blank wax starter strips you don't have to buy foundation. In a top bar hive you still have the advantages of comb manipulation as opposed to just having bees in a box and combs every which way. If you want cut comb honey or you want a lot of wax, then top bars work pretty well.
TBH Pros:
Cheap. If you put it in a trough hive at waist level (which most TBH's are but you could do with frames also) then you don't have to bend over or lift so high.
Easy to build.
More natural. The whole 4.9mm vs 5.4mm cell size is more of a Lanstroth frame hive issue. Most TBH users only do starter strips and the bees build what they want.
TBH Cons:
The frames are easier to break loose if they are burred or cross combed. If you are not careful with a TBH you'll beake the comb loose from the top.
The frames are easier to manipulate than TBH's. You can't flip a TBH comb sidways or it will break off from the top. You have to be more careful.
You can't extract easily. The combs are, as already mentioned, much more fragile because they are not reinforced with wire, they are not reinforced by a frame around them and therfore they break easily. You can't spin them in an extractor. It is a big advantage to have some drawn comb around when a brood nest gets honey bound or you're trying to start a new hive.
The old timers who write ABC XYZ of bee culture and the other old books, were trying to get people to stop using what they percieved as "old fashioned" practices. They believed that beekeeping should progress into the 20th century. Extraction, frames, standardization, modularization were the future. This is their perception.
My opinion is that frames are easier to work with. Frames are more advanced technology. You have to be more careful with a comb on a top bar, but I like the self sufficiency of being able to make my own. If you like simplicity and self sufficiency top bar hives make sense.
There is nothing wrong with a top bar hive. I assume you've seen Satterfields web site. http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm
There are a lot of good links here also.
I have done something similar to what you are doing. I built a long box of Lanstroth dimensions so I can put frames or top bars in it. Mine is as long as two Lanstroth boxes (21 frames or bars) and put it on a table that acts as a bottom board and I use deep boxes behind it as supers. The bottom board is 19 7/8" wide so the boxes go sideways from what a Lanstroth usually is.
I have also built one long hive the size of four Lanstroths, but haven't put any bees in it yet.
Hello Everyone,
Roger Morse besided being a professor was also a small commercial beekeeper dealing with extracted honey and his priorities such as maximum flexibility and resale value reflect that focus.
Hobbiest like myself have a whole different set of priorities.
If you like to build stuff and want to learn about the bees then a long hive or tbh is a good choice. I will build a couple of them this winter myself.
Another thought, build it at least 26 frames long. That way the standard deep frame could be oriented either perpendicular or paralled to the narrow end of the hive. Is it important? I don't know.
Best Wishes
Acutally I forgot one other disadvantage. It's difficult to move a top bar hive. If you get enough people to lift it (it's usually long and heavy) then you have the problem of the fragile combs breaking as you drive down bumpy roads.
I want to build a tbh myself. I think it is just another aspect to explore. After removing the swarms from odd places, like walls, comb construction fascinates me. I think it really shows the housel positioning as well. Much can be learned. I do know one thing though, the drone cells were alot larger in the "wild" than what I am used too. Think it will be interesting to see.
Dale Richards
Dal-Col Apiaries
Drums, PA
Yeah, I was surprised at how large the drone cells are too. At one point, I was convinced that I had a laying worker because the drone comb section was larger than I am used to, but it all turned out okay. The queen was doing just fine. The top bar hives are infinitely more interesting to me, but they are a little more difficult to work because you have to be meticulous when removing the top bars and make sure they are not connected heavily to the sides of the hive. My favorite size of the ones I have built is the size of two deep supers with the bars parallel to the entrance. Next spring, I will add another same size hive on top of this one for harvesting. I have seen photos of top bars with a curved board basically turning it into a frame of sorts that would make manipulation simpler. It looks like an archer's bow, but I need to find thin strips of wood that I can soften and curve the size I need. Any ideas?
>I have seen photos of top bars with a curved board basically turning it into a frame of sorts that would make manipulation simpler. It looks like an archer's bow, but I need to find thin strips of wood that I can soften and curve the size I need. Any ideas?
If it was me the two things I'd try are to just take a sapling or small tree branch and leave it round and bend it for the bow. Or take one a little bigger around and split it down the middle with a pocket knife. It takes a bit of practice to do, but if you work the knife with the handle at right angles you can go one way or the other and make the split follow the center of the branch. If you leave them round you can just drill a round hole at both ends of the bar to insert the bow in. I'd use something about 1/4" to 3/8" in diameter. If you do this, it's tempting to also make the hive with sloping sides or a half round bottom. Although it's not necessary. If the bees build some on the bottom of the bow it won't lessen it's reinforcement properties.
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actually fwd had been around long before the 60s.
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actually, i dont see the point of FWD back then. if gas was 30 cents or so, i just dont see why they made it, except for lower production costs, but they brag about it so that can't be it.
Lower production costs, less drivetrain compoents to fail..better traction. THey didn't have fancy LSDs or trac control..weight distribution was real bad too..
FWD cars are easier to drive in bad weather and with no drive shaft in the middle you have more floor space inside.
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I really liked the Aurora. Midsize car with a small V8.
I liked the aurora.
the 1st gen aurora looked nice, but i wasn't crazy about the 2nd. oh yeah and i would also rather have RWD.
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But, my All time Favs would have to Be Both Alexei & Michelles.
Great topic! I'm anxious to see the top U.S. Ladies, Fumie Suguri, and Yoshie Onda. Also Shen and Zhou and Shizuka Arakawa (I didn't get to see much of them last season)
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I'm really looking forward to everyones's new program especially Michelle's, Fumie's and S/Z. I hope their SP costumes won't be as awful as last season.
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If you've made out with a woman earlier in the night but you feel her attraction drifting away, it's natural to try to bring things back to the way they were before by kissing her again. But that doesn't work and comes off as desperate. Kiss her at an emotional high point — when you're laughing together or sharing something you have in common. (The same rules apply on the first date.) A kiss reinforces a situation that is going well but won't save one that is going downhill.
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One thing I often say when talking about female psychology is that women react to social awkwardness the way that most people react to a live hand grenade. (Understanding this, and the million ways it plays out, is a big part of succeeding with beautiful women). Some women won't mind making out in public, but others will feel really embarrassed, and some will do it only if their friends can't see. At the end of the day, your goal probably isn't the kiss itself but what it does to put you on the road to a date or going home with her that night. So if you get some resistance in public, don't sweat it — try again when you're somewhere more private.
And on that note…
Get the basics right.
Most guys know these, but just in case, here are a few standard things every guy should know. First is your breath — if it's been more than half an hour since your last stick of gum or toothbrushing, or if you've eaten or drunk anything other than water since then, your breath stinks. Someone standing a few feet away won't notice, but the woman kissing you will. Don't slobber or drool or force your tongue down her throat. Close your eyes. And so on.
Nick Savoy is the President of Love Systems, the worldwide pickup artist and dating coaching school for men. Through books, DVDs and live training in bars, nightclubs, malls and parks, Love Systems has successfully trained tens of thousands of men to succeed with beautiful women since 2004.


text: I don't know if any of you heard about this, but yesterday this story came across my facebook feed. I've pasted the article as I believe it's worth the read. When Debbie and John Hooper took their Camaro ZL1 to a Georgetown car dealer, they were expecting a minor paint job.What they got is a nightmare. "Instead of a newly painted car, we ended up looking at it in a lot of pieces," Debbie Hooper said. Hooper said she understood her car was ready for pick-up Dec. 13, but she and her husband were busy and planned to get their car after the weekend. On Dec. 16, she said, the dealership called to tell them an employee had taken the Camaro out for spin Dec. 15 and crashed it on Zoar Road near Georgetown. "He went out for a joyride and crashed the car," Hooper said. Delaware State Police charged Eric Peterson, 42, of Georgetown with careless driving and failure to have insurance identification in possession. First State Chevrolet owner Bob Hansen said Peterson no longer works at the dealership. "I've never had anything like this happen before," he said. Now, Hooper said she's worried that the 2012 Camaro ZL1 that she and her husband paid $60,000 for – and had only 10,000 miles on – will be totaled by insurance adjusters, and the couple will not receive the full value of what they paid for the vehicle. "It was an extremely fast car and more expensive than most Camaros because of limited production," Hooper said. Hansen said the car was locked inside the car dealership, and Peterson took it out without permission. Hooper said she heard the employee told management he needed to get into the shop to get a phone charger, but Hooper said she does not believe there was ever any phone charger. "I think when you drop the car to have work done to it, the dealer has a responsibility to take care of it," she said. Hansen said he did not know anything about a phone charger, but his main concern is taking care of the Hoopers. "Our No. 1 concern is with our customers, the Hoopers," he said. Delaware State Police Cpl. John Day said police continue to investigate the accident. He did not have further details on events leading up to the accident. Criminal charges have not been filed, he said. Following the accident, Hooper said, she was told the employee told police that he had permission to drive the Camaro. She said the officer gave the employee a citation for reckless driving and no proof of insurance. "When the guy couldn't produce registration or insurance, the cop didn't question it," she said. Now, the Long Neck couple feel they are out a car, $60,000 and are at the mercy of the insurance adjusters who recently determined the car was totaled. She said the adjuster and his boss both looked at the vehicle and said they are not going to repair it. "It has been deemed a total loss," she said. "We're the innocent party, and we're really being hung out to dry." As of now the owner of First State Chevrolet has tried to please the owner with two different used, low mileage ZL1's, but the owner (like me) only wants a brand new one as he sold his 2011 Camaro 2SS and his 1969 Camaro SS to purchase his baby. What do you all think?


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Michael Kelly and Michael Kelly Commons
UTSA Library dedicates Michael Kelly Commons
By Kris Rodriguez
Public Affairs Specialist
(March 4, 2009)--The UTSA community is invited to attend a dedication ceremony for the newly renovated Michael Kelly Commons staff area at 4 p.m., Thursday, March 5 on the second floor of the John Peace Library Building on the UTSA 1604 Campus.
Today's headlines
- La Prensa Foundation is newest member of UTSA Lone Star Society
- UTSA alumna Jordan Kaufmann wins $50K for new stent-graft start-up
- UTSA begins new way-finding sign installation this summer at Main Campus
- USA Today: UTSA long jumper Tyler Williamson rescues three-year-old boy
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Michael Kelly, who joined UTSA in the early 70s, was the first director and dean of the UTSA libraries, serving under four presidents during his tenure. While at UTSA, he chaired the Council of Research and Academic Libraries in San Antonio and the UT System Librarians Organization from 1990 to 2002. Kelly died May 17, 2006.
Kelly's additional responsibilities included serving as the interim director of the UTSA Division of Music in the 1980s, interim director of the Division of Architecture and Interior Design in 2000 and as parliamentarian of the Faculty Senate and Graduate Council.
David Johnson, UTSA vice provost for academic and faculty support and former interim dean of the UTSA Library, worked with Kelly for several years and credits him with building the library's initial collections under budget constraints which required great patience and administrative skill. Kelly also was credited with instituting a student library resource fee that has enabled the UTSA Library to add to collections and staffing levels to support the growing university.
"Prior to his death, Mike asked that his friends make contributions to a staff development fund," said Johnson. "That money has been used to fund staff who are seeking to enhance their skills by earning college and professional degrees."
Kelly earned a Ph.D. degree in English literature and Shakespeare studies from the University of Tennessee, Knoxville, and a master's degree in library science from the University of Kentucky. In 1972, while teaching in the UK College of Library Science, he was recruited to UTSA by President Arleigh Templeton.
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Hello guys!
Here are some more facts I found while doing some research about Robert! And I happen to find what kind of house Robert lives in. His house is super cool and awesome. What a majestic house! Look at the image below!
This photo is taken from the site called Lonny. They have a slide show to show every feature of his house. Looks like a castle to me. And the news is actually about him selling away the house. So, I'm not sure why he wants to sell. But it is definitely gorgeous. If only i had the money to purchase just 10% of this house.
Anyway, if you hadn't know, my parents are considering to make a move to Singapore for quite a long term stay. They are business people, and they said Singapore is one of the best places for business. I'm not sure why they chose Singapore, but I guess their business must have expanded over there.
I'm quite hesitant to move over there. I know the country is awesome, but I'm gonna miss my friends over here. But they give me the privilege to choose an apartment for them. They know I was checking out Robert Pats house, but I don't think I can find similar ones over in Singapore. Most people in Singapore stay in high rise apartments. My old house is also an apartment. Anyway, I've got to stop dreaming about living in Robert Pat's type of house.
So I did a search for the latest condo launches in Singapore, and I came across this project which is called North Park Residences. It is located at Yishun. Anyone knows where Yishun is, and what is it good for? From what I read, it is near the north of Singapore, and is quite accessible to many other business areas there. Anyway, I know Singapore is really small, and it is convenient to go many places. For me, I just want to stay in a happy area with good neighbours!
This is what the condominium will look like when it is built. Looks city-life though. Kind of excited for the buzzing location!
I'm not sure what is the price for North Park Condo, but I think it must be nearer to 1 million dollars? I know Singapore property is not cheap because of its small land area. This is always why, I can stop dreaming about staying in such a big house like Robert Pats.
The house he is selling may be worth 10X more if the house is in Singapore? I think so. Guys, if anyone has time, do help me take a look at the condo at their website: http://northparkcondo.com.sg/ . I will let my parents know about it.
That's all about this short post today. I'm not sure if Robert Pats have a new home already. But I will include his new house into my post on little facts of Robert Pattinson.
Stay tuned to my blog!


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Sunny Beautiful Attic close to City Centre
Спальные места4
Ванные комнаты1
Площадь45 м²
Этаж №4
- Возможность проживания семьи/детей
- Кухня
- Стиральная машина/сушилка
- Интернет
- Полотенца
- Можно с домашними животными
- Детская кроватка
Краткое описание жилья
|Kotlarska, 30-001 Krakow, Польша
|Тип жилья
|ID жилья
|Процент подтвержденных запросов брони
|Время ответа
|Несколько часов
|Календарь обновлен
The apartment consists of 1 bedroom, living room with comfortable lounge (pull-out sofa bed), fully equipped kitchen with a dining area and bathroom with a shower. There is a queen size bed in the bedroom.
The apartment sleeps up to 4 people.
Правила Проживания
|Цена за неделю (вплоть до 4 гостей)
|19935 руб.
|Заезд после
|По договоренности
|Заселение до
|По договоренности
|Отъезд до
|По договоренности
|Политика Отмены Брони
This apartment was perfect for a few days in Krakow. It is well-connected to the main square, the train station, etc. by tram, and is within walking distance of just about anywhere you would want to go in Krakow (so long as you are okay walking 30 minutes or so). The apartment itself was bright and comfortable, with all the amenities you could need. I appreciated the free wifi, as well as the multiple electric heaters provided to chase out the September chill. I would definitely stay here again!
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Definitely the best choice!
The apartment was immaculate when we arrived. It is very beautiful and new, and has everything we need. It is five minutes from the Market Square and close to good cafes and restaurants. We also had a supermarket next door which made our stay very easy. We could not meet Natazsa but his son Jacek was a great host, who offered his help to solve any doubts. In short, it was a great experience that we will repeat if we return to Krakow!
Beautiful appartment nearbij the old city. We like the sepperat bathrooms ,in the morning we have enjoyed our breakfest into the sun on the balkony.
IT was a walk of 10 minuten to the jewesh area where we have a great time in the evenings. Many restaurants and cafés.You get no regrets for booking the appartment.We are telling it further to all our friends. Krakau is beautifull.
6 adults stayed in this lovely apartment, it was very clean and had everything that we needed.
The beds were very comfortable, & there are actually 2 bathroom not 1 as stated. 9 people would be a bit of a squeeze but 7 would be perfect.
An ideal location to both the Jewish quarters & the main square, plenty of restaurants nearby.
A bit noisy due to being on a main road, but if the windows are closed it is not a problem
Very cheap to eat in the area so no need to take loads of money.
I would highly recommend staying here, & wouldn't hesitate to go back.
We were really satisfied with the quality and the clearness of the apartment,which was absolutely not far from the centre of the city. In the apartment were lots of maps,information so it was good to help us navigate in the city.We can absolutely recommend for everybody.
Fam.Ács from Hungary
We stayed here for 3 days with our family of nine persons. The apartment was great and the location was perfect! We will recommend this apartment to our friends.
We had a very good time in Snow White! It´s perfectly situated: very close to the river - for everyone who likes to have a nice walk - in footwalk´s distance to the heart of Kasimierz, which gives you lots of opportunities for shopping, eating, drinking etc. and quite close to the city´s centre (15 to 20 minutes walk, 10 minutes by cablecar). The appartment is light, tidy and has everything it should have. Beds are very good (at least for two persons), kitchen well equipped, bath and shower and heating good. We didn´t meet the landlord, but he must be a very kind person. Everything was well prepared and she reacted immediately when we had to reorganize a certain issue. Big big recommendation. Anke and Uwe
Nice, modern renovated apartment in fine condition. Well located near the old town. Small balcony above the rooftops. Good place to stay in Krakow for two people.
We had a wonderful time staying in Nicolas Studio. The pictures are representative of the quality of the apartment, it's very clean and equipted with everything you need. This is a very good place to stay as a couple or friends. The apartment is also nicely located - just about one minute walk from the market square. The communication with Natasza worked very well and everything (getting the key etc.) was perfectly organized.
Wonderful apartment. Easy check-in and check-out. No problems at all.
- Гарантировать качество жилья
- Проверить каждого принимающиего Вас хозяина по телефону
- Обеспечить безопасную оплату через шифрование на базе SSL


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Facebook 'Subscribe Button', An Entirely New Way to Connect:
Facebook rolled out a feature that introduced an entirely new relationship category to the social networking site.
Until now, users could only be friends with one another on Facebook. Starting today, they'll also be able to "subscribe" to each other thanks to a new setting that allows individual profiles to behave more like Facebook fan pages.
A user will have the option of adding a "subscribe" button to her profile to enable people who are not her friends to see her public updates in their News Feeds, rather than having to visit her profile page directly. She will receive a notification when someone has signed up to see her updates, and will have the option of controlling who can comment on and "like" her posts.
Before 'Subscription' there were only two types of relationships one could have on Facebook: symmetrical friendship where both users confirmed they wanted to see each other's content in the news feed, and Liking of Pages where one user chose to see updates in the news feed from a public entity such as a business. Many thought Facebook would have already launched such a feature. However, the company appears to finally be ready to expand its scope after implementing an increase in the transparency and ease of publishing to specific audiences including the public.
Some people who post publicly have a public presence and want to interact with people beyond their friends, ~Naomi Gleit
Director of product at Facebook, told The Huffington Post,"This allows them to reach people beyond their friends."
In a blog post, Facebook suggested that "journalists, artists and political figures" might take advantage of the new tool. If you see a Subscribe button on your favorite blogger's profile, this means you can subscribe. Just click the button to get their public updates right in your News Feed," Facebook wrote.
Though it remains to be seen how — and if — users will take to this feature, the subscribe button appears to have the potential to shift the social dynamic on Facebook by changing how people connect and how they communicate.
Asymmetrical Following Through the Subscribe Button
Now, users will have the ability to opt in allowing subscribers. This places a Subscribe button on their profile which non-friends can click to begin viewing the updates they publish with the privacy setting of public. The user being subscribed to doesn't have to confirm each connection, and won't see content of their subscribers in the news feed.
Technically, the Subscribe button just makes consumption of public updates more convenient and its opt in, so there aren't any serious privacy concerns. Someone could already visit the profile of a non-friend and see their public updates, but now they'll be sent them through the news feed. Those opting into subscriptions can select to allow or disallow comments by subscribers, and activate notifications about gaining new subscribers.
Asymmetrical following will create a middle ground between personal profiles for private updating and Facebook Pages that are totally public. If a user has opted in to allowing subscriptions and they reject a friend request from someone, that person will automatically become a subscriber. The option should be especially helpful to self-promoters who've hit Facebook's 5,000 friend limit. If users amass a subscriber base and later want to become a Page with update targeting, applications, and analytics, Facebook has confirmed that they'll be able to convert their subscribers into Likes.
The Subscribe button puts Facebook in direct competition with Twitter, as well as Google+, which are both built around assymetrical following. Journalists, thought leaders, celebrities, or anyone who chooses to publish publicly will be able to amass a subscriber base, gain more impressions for their posted content, and engage with strangers by tapping into Facebook's enormous user base and familiar discussion tools. Facebook's Director of Product Naomi Gleit tells us, "We want you to be able to broaden your conversations, comment and interact with people who are outside of your friend circle."
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Hello everyone, it has been a very long time since I posted here. I thank you all for coming around to check on me and leaving such wonderful comments. (Except all the spam there seems to be.)
I am doing fine, and finally have started blogging again. However I am now on WordPress. You can find Me at Wandering Gypsy Spirit . I will leave my blogs up here on blogger, perhaps to revisit at some point.
I do need to get around and visit everyone, bear with me, I will get there sooner later.


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Marine Accused of Attempted Murder Against His Unborn Child Back in Court
REDDING, Calif. - A woman and two Marines accused of attacking a pregnant woman on the Sacramento River Trail were back in court.
Redding Police say the baby's father, Lance Swann, his cousin Erica Swann and fellow Marine, Jeffrey Walton kicked, punched and choked 18 year old Nicole Vultaggio on the Sacramento River Trail in June. Vulttagio was eight months pregnant at the time with Lance Swann's baby.
Investigators say Swann plotted the attack against the baby because he didn't want to take responsibility for him.
All three suspects were supposed to enter their pleas in a Shasta County courtroom Wednesday morning, but their attorneys asked the judge to push it back.
Lance Swann's attorney, Adam Ryan, told us there are still a lot of reports that they need to go through before any of the suspects feel confident enough to give a formal plea. The judge granted their request and pushed the case back.
Outside of the courtroom, we caught up with Erica Swann's mom, Janine Swann, who also raised Lance. She told us she visited Erica Swann in jail over the weekend. She said Erica did not look herself and seemed tired and uncomfortable.
Janine Swann told us it's still so surreal to see her kids in custody. "I'm so glad they found who did this to Nicole. It's just shocking it's my family and again, as I have chills to see my daughter in there and to see my nephew in there is still unbelievable to me and I haven't gotten their side of the story yet. After the Public Defender gets all their evidence together then I'll understand a little more. Right now, I don't understand any of this," she tells us.
Janine Swann said she didn't know anything about her 20 year old nephew's relationship with Nicole or about the baby until the incident, but she hopes that one day they will be able to have a positive relationship with baby Edan. She said this entire situation feels like a nightmare and that right now, all she can do is pray for a miracle.
All three suspects are being charged with attempted murder, conspiracy and robbery. They are scheduled to be back in court August 10th.


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Certification Courses/boot camps
hoping one of you experienced people can allay a fear I've got for taking security (or any other) courses.
As I've stated in a couple of threads I intended to study for and hopefully gain my first security cert sometime this year (still not sure which one despite all the advice I've had so far, sorry guys). However I'm concerned about attending a training course and getting left for dead behind a lab full of more experienced people.
From courses you have attended what is the common ability/experience level and spread?
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2015.10.07 – Karate-Fiveon 2015/10/07 at 9:15 am
I'M BACK, BABY!!! And I have news… that lady up there… Bethany Duke, whom you might remember from this comic… is my fiancée!!! Things fizzled with Amanda shortly after that last comic on December 5 last year. Bethany and I met up on New Year's Eve, thoroughly hit it off, and I proposed over the summer after flying over to Guinea to visit her.
I've decided to start drawing these comics, probably as a monthly installment along with my newsletter as I attend GIAL.


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In one of the hives the comb is beautiful and straight and runs the entire width of the hive perpendicular to all the top bars. I put another super on with some old drawn comb as a guide and they drew one perfect straight comb and then two more at a "K" shape running off in two directions. Should I try to cut and re-tie between drawn frames? I didn't want to undo all their work as the queen needs somewhere to lay and get started.
In another hive there is one giant comb almost filling all dimensions of the super like a roller coaster in all directions. I'd really have to mess this one up to straighten it out in pieces. Should I just accept that this is their crib and the comb will be what the comb will be?
BTW in my warre hive the package girls have drawn two boxes perfectly, and in my KTBH which I bought already started they have drawn 8 more perfect combs.


text: FYI, I'm watching a Math video on YouTube that's about perfect games and perfect scores, and one of the examples they egregiously left out was figure skating (BOOOO! ). So it got me wondering...has any person or team ever gotten the full 18 6.0s for one program? Did Jayne and Chris ever succeed in doing this? Even once?


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Toyota is reportedly recalling 533,000 trucks and SUVs because of bad ball joints in the front suspension. It seems that the old quality leader seems to be in the news a lot lately for recalls and other issues. Toyota really needs to get these issues dealt with.
Agreed. Being the number one manufacturer in the world is meaningless if you aren't producing quality vehicles.
The ball joints probably came from an American plant.I'm not happy about saying that either.This is a part that should not fail if drivern properly for two hundred thousand miles.Toyota insources parts from all over America.


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Taking the CPTE course .......
I'm sure this is going to be challenging. Looks like Wayne Burke (Technical Director) will be teaching the course.
If all else fails, I'll probably be taking the 8/06 session.
Specific discussions on preparing for and taking the CPTC exam by Mile2.
ChrisG wrote:looking forward to a review of the course, please let us know how it goes.
don wrote:Was there too much info to cover and thus unrealistic for the instructor to cover it all? Did the instructor waste time? Should this be a 2 week program instead of 1? Did the other students hold the class back from progressing on schedule? Did the instructor seem to know their stuff and just ran out of time or was he incompetent?
Maybe you should do that exhaustive review. I'm sure a lot of us have questions. Unless you just want to answer them as they come up and not waste your time of a full article.
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|Rue de Marseille, 75010 Paris, 法国
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A very bright little love nest in the heart of the authentic Paris, on the 6th and last floor of a Haussmann block of flats situated in a very quiet street (rue de Marseille). From the balcony of the studio flat you will be able to see the sparkling lights of the Eiffel Tower at night, the Sacré Coeur on top of Montmartre Hill, and the romanesque Paris roofs. Just outside the building, Saint Martin's Canal and its waterfront, its picturesque bridges and sluice gates, and the Hôtel du Nord that won eternal fame thanks to Marcel Carné's film, may tempt you to a leisurely stroll. The nearby shops and restaurants cater for all needs.
The nearest métro stations, République (the junction of lines 3, 5, 8, 9 and 11) and Bonsergent (line 5) give fast and easy access to all Paris monuments. If you'd rather go by bike, there is a Velib station, where you can get self-service bicycles for 1 euro per day. Also close by, Gare du Nord and Gare de l'Est will enable you to travel farther to London, Brussels, Amsterdam or Berlin.
The bed is located on a mezzanine to provide more living space, but if you don't like sleeping so close to the ceiling, there's enough space to place the mattress on the floor at night.
In the bohemian neighbourhood, referred to as the hypercentre of trendiness by the daily newspaper Libération, you'll live with the Parisians and away from the tourists. You can easily walk to the Bastille area, to Belleville, Pigalle, to the Marais area, Hôtel de Ville, Saint-Michel, the Latin Quarter, Beaubourg and Les Halles.
We wish you a very pleasant journey with us.
住宿规定No smoking.
No pets.
A €30 fee is required for check-in and check-out between 9pm and 8am.
A fee is required for check-in and check-out on Christmas Day, New Years and Easter.
A €500 security deposit is required via cash or credit card.
Please note that the building does not have an elevator (and the apartment is located on the 6th floor).
|Weekly rate for up to 2 guests
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Excellent location!!! The apartment is in a great supurb surrounded by some of the cities best cafes. Only downsides were it was on rthe 6th floor with no elevater and the hot water does not last long. Other then that, the apartment is well equiped and i would definately rwcommend a stay here
Super nice place to stay in Paris. Great view from the balcony (you can see Sacre Coeur & the Eiffel Tower from there), kitchen and bathroom are tidy and well equiped! Also Romain is a nice guy, he gave us lots of information on the neighbourhood, where to go out, etc...
Only disadvantage is the bed which is pretty close to the ceiling, but you can take the matress off there and lay it on the ground which is also pretty good, because you can then enjoy the view out of the window when lying there. :)
Would absolutely recommend it to anyone who wants to have a central and yet cheap flat in Paris, would come back there at any time!
We had a great time at the apartment in Paris! It's small but very nice! The only extra exercise is to get there (6th floor) with a heavy suitcase and no lift! ;)
Great location close to Canal St. Martin, metro stations, and the vivid Marais. Everything was well functioning in the apartment and we had no problems what so ever. Only troubles might be that it is located on the 6th floor (no elevator) and it is a rather small apartment. It didn't bother us though.
The place is small, but it has everything you need in a fantastic location! If you're claustrophobic, the bed probably won't work for you... but otherwise it is great!
We left on the day we checked in. Just like the host said this is what u get if you want to pay cheap. We told me on the same day we moved to another accomodation and windu did not give our money back.
cozy little studio located in the 10. arrondissement. It's a nice neigbourhood, perfect to explore the city. It's very small but for a few nights it's perfect.
+: Great value considering the average rent amount; good location also for those who like to walk instead of using public transportation (about 30min walk from Notre Dame Cathedral); microwave oven and washer-dryer gives you lots of flexibility and money savings.
-: Cleanness not up to expectations, bed size pretty small compared to standards in Italy,
Eine schöne und zentral gelegene Wohnung mit Aussicht auf den Eifelturm und der Sacre Coeur. Sehr klein, daher ein Stern abzug. Sonst war alles super :)
Super schönes Zimmer. Zwar sehr klein, aber alles was man braucht ist vorhanden. Man hat einen traumhaften Blick vom Balkon auf den Eifelturm. Was aber besonders erwähnt werden sollte, ist die Umgebung. Die Wohnung liegt in dem schönsten Stadtteil Paris. Allein wegen der Umgebung, würde ich jedesmal wieder kommen. Vielen Dank!
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Hi everyone! I've just finished my stormtrooper armor ( but the tweaking never ends) and will be applying to the 501st. I currently belong to a group based in upstate NY, Saratoga region, called the Adirondack Outpost. We combine 501st, Rebel Legion, and R2 Builder's Club members. We share out passion for the SW universe through various projects. After finishing my TK, I was going to wait quite a while before starting another costume, but I just can't wait! I've been trying to figure out what to do next, and I keep coming back to the Mandalorian Armor. So, I'm beginning my research here much as I did when I started my TK armor.
Thanks to all of you who came before me for your amazing research and know- how. I look forward to many future communications with you.


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"The Administration" already knows what guns I have. I'd be more concerned with thieves.
This may have been covered before, and if so - forgive me.
I'm just wondering how many of you feel. As I've been perusing (drooling) over some of the photos, I can't help but wonder if I would want that information on the internet - given the fears surrounding the coming administration. Personally, I have a few hand guns and a shotgun, so no big deal. If I had a large collection, especially including some potential ban weapons I don't think I would want to make that information public.
What do y'all think?
"The Administration" already knows what guns I have. I'd be more concerned with thieves.
That possibility is certainly an area of concern. I don't have any to show though so it is not a problem for me.
My black rifle was bought though an internet dealer and then picked up at a FFL, so there's already a paper trail. If there is a ban, and that ban includes confiscation and does not grandfather in guns already owned, then the "gun collectors" will be able to track me down, pictures or not.
I'm not too concerned with thieves trolling the internet looking for targets. I'm just a first name on an internet forum and my house and firearms are pretty secure. And if the guns did get stolen, oh well, they're just replaceable material objects and it's not like they are family heirlooms. We have insurance, I'd get more.
Personally, I'm not worried about it getting to the pont of confiscation. Either way, all of my guns have a paper trail anyways.
Good thoughts, all.
I'll be posting a photo of my collection, once I have more of a collection...<G> I think I'll only include those with a paper trail. Ya just never know!!
Man...You're making me make a coffee mess all over my desk and monitor. Paranoid much? It's the Oh God they're going to ban everything frame of mind that has prices so high that you can't afford anything and God help you if you're at a gun show.
Power shifted today and I didn't hear of any bans while he walked over to the White House. Even if the dems wanted a ban it would take a while and no one is going to do anything with a slumped economy.
Being people sell guns person to person all the time if the gov. wanted to round up everything it's pretty easy to say too late G man. I sold them all at a flea market
AS to thieves..Good luck. There's always someone in this house and they are not going to carry a gun safe out if they could find it unoccupied. Come in when anyone's home and that can be dealt with then.
So..go on..Show em all!
psst.You can see a couple of those "black rifles" of mine in the photo gallery on this site. I think I still have my 1911's posted too. so not you owe me some gun pics.
Thieves? If they've seen the same pictures I have here, they would be absolutly insane to try to break in. I'd see it more as a "theft protection system"
Yeah most guns have paper trails anyway, but I think we may be ok. I lost all mine in a lake.
Guns? I thought this was a GUM forum! (I like spearmint myself...) ;$


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