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In 1989, Baran was transferred to Bridgewater Treatment Center, a safer but nonetheless difficult place committed to treating sex offenders. Once settled there, he continued to refuse confession to the crimes of which he was accused. Due to the Herculean efforts of Bob Chatelle and the Free Bernard Baran Committee, as well as attorney John Swomley, Baran was released on June 30, and is now free on bail awaiting a new trial. Michael Bronski and Catherine Tumber had the following conversation with him on July 5, at the Boston law offices of John Swomley.
CT: Congratualtions.
Thank you. Thank you very much.
MB: What have you been doing with your time?
Well, mostly just spending it with my family. My mom came down; she's spending a couple of weeks with me. Getting to know Boston and the area, learning how to do the subway and the train and the buses …
MB: So does the world seem really different?
Things were odd to me, like I'd never seen the ocean. When we left this office, I wanted to enjoy that moment. So I stopped and let everybody go ahead of me, and I stood there and just looked at the boats and the water. I was only 19 and I was just working to have a little pocket money, so I never got to do a lot of stuff. A friend sent me the Massachusetts registry book to study [to get a driver's license]. That's another thing that's changed a lot: there are more symbols now than there is writing [on signage]. It's kind of a time warp. Um, bathrooms — automatic hand-washing things, you know.
MB: When you came out, what did you think of how people dress now?
Yeah, it was different. It isn't as wild. (laughter) It's more basic. Everybody got away from the loud, crazy colors that were going on in the '80's (more laughter).
CT: The Boy George look.(laughter) Right.
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GOP picks new Fla. speaker designate for 2014-16
Published: Monday, November 12, 2012 at 5:01 p.m.
Last Modified: Monday, November 12, 2012 at 5:01 p.m.
TALLAHASSEE — Republicans have wasted no time replacing Rep. Chris Dorworth as their choice for Florida House speaker in 2014-16.
They announced that Rep. Steve Crisafulli will be the new speaker-designate on Monday, immediately after a hand recount confirmed Dorworth's defeat at the polls.
Democratic lawyer and retired firefighter Mike Clelland wound up 146 votes ahead of Dorworth. Both District 29 candidates are from Lake Mary in central Florida.
Clelland had a slim 37-vote lead when regular ballots were counted Tuesday. That expanded to 123 votes after provisional ballots were counted Thursday, and then to 140 after a machine recount Sunday.
Dorworth last week wrote a farewell letter to fellow House Republicans, saying he did not expect the recounts to change the results.
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Jackson Square is a short stroll from Astor Crowne Plaza New Orleans, and other popular attractions like Mercedes-Benz Superdome are within a mile (2 km). This 693-room, 4-star hotel has free in-room WiFi along with a health club and a rooftop terrace. Located in central New Orleans, the hotel is also near National World War II Museum and French Market.
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Bennett & Associates, Inc., a premium and incentive awards company, plans to introduce new executive glass gift items which can be personalized.This glass line has approximately 65 new items, including Business Card Caddy, 5" small Jade Clock, 8" Large Jade Round Clock, Mini Oval Jade Clock, and Round Mahogany Coaster w/ jade glass 4" insert.The anticipated release date is expected for late March 2012. Visit beyondawards.com for additional information.
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The 2011 Quality Licensee Awards (QLA) were recently presented to A-B Emblem, (4th year, QLA recipient), Advantage Emblem, Inc., (1st year, QLA recipient) ClassB®, (5th year, QLA recipient), and Sunshine Emblem & Decal, Inc., (3rd year, QLA recipient). Awards were presented in a closing ceremony at this year's 2012 BSA Licensee Summit to licensees who met or exceeded the requirements established for the Quality Licensee Award."To become a Quality Licensee required us to align our business policies and practices to correspond with the requirements of the award," said Myron Stevenson, Advantage Emblem, Inc. "We value the award and believe it sets us apart from other licensees."BSA Quality Licensees are those companies who go above and beyond in providing exceptional product quality, market innovation, and superior customer service. "Earning the Quality Licensee Award is a measure of success", offered Gregg Hilferding, ClassB®, "it gives us a set of goals each year that help us contribute back to Scouting." Scouting customers recognize that earning the Quality Licensee award represents that a licensee has gone above and beyond in serving Scouting. For some, it means going above and beyond customer expectations. "We recognize the value and importance of providing outstanding customer service" said Sam Lefkowitz, Sunshine Emblem & Decals, Inc. "Our customers frequently say that our high level of customer service is one of the ways sets us apart from the competition."Each of the award recipients said that they expect 2012 to be a big year. There will be more design ideas, increased use of social media, and more resources devoted for district and council events. "Put a Quality licensee together with a great product and you have a winning situation," said Sandy Parrott of A-B Emblem.
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UNDEAD Nicholas Hoult in Warm Bodies.
His breakout film, The Wackness (2008), is a coming-of-age story, yes. But it focuses on a young marijuana dealer (Josh Peck) trading weed for the counsel of a psychiatrist on the brink (Ben Kingsley). And while 50/50 (2011) is a bromance of sorts, it could just as easily be called a "cancer comedy."
For his latest project, the director is engaged in a bit of fusion — merging zombie flick and romantic comedy (zom-rom-com!) with Warm Bodies, based on the novel by Isaac Marion about a young, tortured undead who strikes up a friendship with the girlfriend of one of his victims.
Levine, who graduated from Brown University in 2000, will be back on campus January 27 for a 6 pm screening of Warm Bodies at the Granoff Center for the Creative Arts, followed by a discussion of the film.
I caught up with him by phone in Miami, one of several stops on a promotional tour. The interview is edited and condensed.
SO HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU UTTERED THE PHRASE "ZOM-ROM-COM" IN THE LAST FEW DAYS? You know, I don't really say it. We started testing the movie and people were kind of coining it themselves and I figured I would leave it to other people to feel like they discovered it. I don't like to put things in boxes — even if it's a box of three different things. It always feels reductive or whatever. But I'm glad they all rhyme. I hope it becomes a new genre. I'd love to see Kate Hudson start doing some work in the genre.
WHAT ZOMBIE RULES DID YOU ADHERE TO AND WHICH ONES DID YOU BREAK? We were very careful. I knew, no matter what, that getting inside the head of a zombie [for an interior monologue] and all that stuff was going to have zombie purists up in arms. And that's fine. I've steeled myself for that. But I'm a huge fan of zombie movies, I'm a huge fan of slasher films. In fact, at Brown, we did a group independent study about horror films. Basically it was an excuse for us to smoke weed and watch horror movies once a week.
I definitely wanted [my] respect [for the genre] to shine through. I wanted to adhere to as many rules as we could. So we definitely have [George] Romero-type slow-walking zombies [a la Night of the Living Dead], they eat brains, they can only be shot in the head. Most of it fits within the rules. But then, of course, what the book had done was kind of tweak those rules — push them in a new direction, a really interesting direction.
When our zombie eats brains, he's doing it to access the memories of the person he's killed. So it's this way for him to be alive again for a fleeting moment. It's almost like a drug.
YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT ZOMBIE AS METAPHOR. WHAT IS THE LARGER POINT YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE WITH THIS MOVIE? The best thing about Night of the Living Dead is it's about the group versus the individual, or it's about intolerance. Basically, zombies hold up a mirror to us as a society and hopefully let us see things that we could be doing better.
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when you are on the toilet and you finally release a larger than normal lump of coagulated feses, and the resulting splash from the toilet bowl projects up and into your feses softened anal cavity, resulting in a jumping or startling motion and the flexing of muscle tissue in the arms and legs.
i was feeling really good because i was holding in this gigantic poop all day, then right as i shit i got a massive anal shock. i probably twitched for about a minute afterwards.
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A Study of the Life and Thought of the Tibetan Master Dolpopa Sherab GyaltsenThe Buddha from Dölpo is a revised and enlarged edition of the only book about the most controversial Buddhist master in the history of Tibet, Dölpopa Sherab Gyaltsen (1292–1361), who became perhaps the greatest Tibetan expert of the Kalacakra or Wheel of Time, a vast system of tantric teachings. Based largely on esoteric Buddhist knowledge from the legendary land of Shambhala, Dölpopa's insights have profoundly influenced the development of Tibetan… Read More
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Translated here for the first time into any language, Mountain Doctrine is a seminal fourteenth-century Tibetan text on the nature of reality. The author, Dol-bo-ba Shay-rap-gyel-tsen, was on of the most influential figures of that dynamic period of doctrinal formulation, and his text is a sustained argument about the buddha-nature, also called the matrix-of-one-gone-thus. Dol-bo-ba recognizes two important types of emptiness—self-emptiness and other-emptiness—and shows how other-emptiness is the actual… Read More
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At its event in Los Angeles today, Amazon announced five new Kindle models: an ultracheap E Ink Kindle; a new "paperwhite" Kindle with a touchscreen and LED light to compete with Barnes & Noble's Nook with Glowlight; an update of its 7-inch Kindle Fire with improved hardware and software; and two "HD" models, with 7-inch and 8.9-inch screen options. Amazon also announced that it would offer its own basic data plan (through AT&T) for its 4G Fire--a very disruptive move that puts pressure on OEMs and carriers to offer their own lower-price plans, and sets the stage for an expected Amazon smartphone launch next year.
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"Until recently, I have not found anything to equal that old delight. Now, at DeMil's (www.demilsonwhitney.com, 4133 Whitney Ave. in Hamden), they make as good a bread pudding as I have ever found in this area. If you can get this recipe, I would love to have it.
"The restaurant is fairly new, and the pudding is excellent, not to mention the serving is huge. Thanks for helping!"
Lorraine, you will be able to make this at home, thanks to owners Cheryl and Milton Savakis.
I asked about the name of the restaurant and learned that it is the combination of their children's middle names: Demetra and Milton. Other signature items on the menu include a "one-size-fits-one" pizza; Figgy Piggy, fig pancetta, bleu cheese, mozzarella and arugula; pulled pork mac 'n' cheese; shepherd's pie prepared with Guinness-marinated beef, carrots, corn and homemade red bliss mashed potatoes; and "G chips," fresh-made potato chips topped with warm Gorgonzola sauce, tomatoes, red onion, red jalapenos and crumbled Gorgonzola.
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-1 pound brioche loaf
-8 large eggs
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-4 cups light cream
-1 teaspoon vanilla extract
-╝ cup Frangelico
Break up brioche into small pieces and place in a greased, 2-quart casserole dish.
Whisk eggs and sugar together in a bowl, add cream and whisk, add vanilla extract and Frangelico and whisk again.
Let sit a few minutes to make sure sugar dissolves.
Pour mixture over brioche, and let sit for 30 minutes or so to allow the bread to soak up liquid.
Preheat oven to 350. Place the dish in a roasting pan, or other large pan, and fill the outer pan halfway with water. Bake for 45 minutes to an hour, until the pudding has a spring to it, is golden brown and a knife comes out clean. Garnish with whipped cream and powdered sugar if desired, and serve warm.
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Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by Emdee, Sep 29, 2012.
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Why are you sorry to say this, are you a huge Amelie fan?
I think it's a good thing that we have someone in the ladies field that can compete with the best in the world and can push the rest of the Canadian ladies - isn't that what we've wanted since Joannie stopped competing (in strictly amateur events)?
Hahah NO! I'm a sucker for girls who actually consistently land their jumps! Yes absolutely it's a fantastic thing I was sorry to say this because it's the harsh truth and perhaps some people won't agree with me (actually probably no one will disagree ) .
Osmonds marks are overhyped
That is quite the comment without any backup. Care to expand?
Never mind. momsk8 thinks Yuna is a novice level skater who can't jump
Any other skater complaints momsk8? Perhaps you'd like to criticize Mao's ever apparent lack of grace and fluidity too? Or Ashley's ridiculous non-existent consistency.
I feel kind of bad for Osmond. She's barely on the scene and is already getting lots of online hate. She's almost become a curse world on other forums I visit. Makes me glad I'm a lurker for the most part. I can be thrilled for her in secret. I became a fan after her SP at Nationals last year. It's so exciting to see another Canadian lady rise to the occasion so quickly after Joannie left. We normally have to wait years and years for the next competitive skater.
I hope Osmond continues to improve and just skate with that confidence and joy that sets her apart from many of the other Canadian ladies. Give the other promising juniors something to shoot for!
Skating with confidence and joy not only sets her apart from many other Canadian ladies but others as well. She is a joy to watch and I hope we will be seeing much of her in the next few years.
I used to watch her skating videos from her fathers Youtube channel a year before the breakthrough short program at nationals last year. I always liked watching her and always followed her skating....but I could have never imagined she'd get so good so fast. I figured she'd end up similar to my other secret favourite Canadian skater Kate Charbonneau. Love Kate's beautiful skating but she'll never make it as an international skater unfortunately . I'm thrilled Kaetlyn didn't suffer a similar fate.
I absolutely LOVE her skating. Her programs are the ones I've re-watched the most this season because, like Clarie pointed out, the JOY is so special to watch. Her skating makes me happy.
I really like this girl. I think she has the right stuff at the right time at the right age. I'm really surprised at the amount of venom she has drawn - ala Chan etc. Maybe Canadian skaters are just not seen as legitamate for some reason. She sure has ruffled some feathers. Maybe that's a good indication! There seems to be a great loyalty to people's favourite skaters out there and their minds are not open to letting anyone new into the competitive picture. Kaitlyn is doing the most difficult stuff and doing it well. You can't deny that! I think we are in for some great future competition with Osmond, Gold and the young Russian girl.
Seems like her dad has uploaded the videos from Challenge.
Very impressive. Better than Skate Canada GP. She definitely enjoys being out there.
Wow, now that was amazing! Can't wait for her being a fireball in Canadian Nats next month. With her keeping going like this, Canada has real chance in Team event and two tickets for Sochi.
I think that happens when a country has not had a star in a long time, and fans are hungry. Actually if Joannie returns to competition next year, Canada could have two strong ladies at the Olympics. I am sure Osmond will get better over time, and optimism is not always a bad thing.
That was amazing. Those toe pick jumps were almost too easy. Choreographically she was almost like a young Wagner - difficult but came off rushed and overly hectic. Easily the best talent since Rochette.
That was already top ten at Worlds, easily.
The thought about "almost too easy" came across my mind too, particularly in the short program, where everything just looked effortless.
Interesting comparison with Wagner. I hadn't thought about it, but you're right - the long program in particular is very reminscent of Wagner's Polovetsian Dances and Spartacus programs. Hopefully she will follow in Wagner's footsteps and gain that additional polish in time. Since Kaetlyn's still only 17, I think she's got lots of time to do so (especially if she keeps improving at the same rate as the past two seasons). In the meantime, I love that she can handle such difficult choreography and still land the jumps.
Top ten!? That was a top six skate for sure. Kaetlyn is fantastic. I'd watch for her to play spoiler in her home country at Worlds this year.
She's the most exciting new talent for me in senior ladies this year. She's full of energy, athletic, and I like both her programs. Looks a bit hurried, but they are full of interesting choreography. She will get better in controlling tempo with more polish, given time. I expect she will do well at Worlds.
ITA. Her joy and musicality really set her apart from the other wonder babies. She reminds me of Suzuki in that way, and I LOVE how she uses her upper body - such effortlessness and freedom but keeping a good posture at the same time. I'm also glad that she's no wimp when it comes to skating pretty packed programs. If you can do that at 16, it'll only get better. My interest in ladies skating has slowly been dying in the past decade and Osmond could really be that lifeline for me Don't really agree with the comparison to Wagner. I think she's a much better and more natural skater than Wager was at 16. I see a further trajectory in her development.
I also do not understand why there are so many negative comments re: Kaetlyn Osmond. Yes she is a little rough around the edges but she is fearless! Her Challenge programs were great and you can tell there has been improvement over SC. She won SC fair and square; she was the most consistent of the event! While some things looked easy in her Challenge skate, others were a bit of a struggle, so she hasn't peaked yet!
It all comes down to the day and how she will handle the pressure. All eyes will be on her next month as she goes after her first National title and best of luck to her!
Kaetlyn punched her ticket for London following Skate Canada. The challenge, Nats and 4CC are all practice comps for her. She only needs to finish in the top 18 at Nationals to make London for the most part.
As for the treatment of her on here, I quote a good friend: "you KNOW Kaetlyn's good; FSU is bashing her"
She's made the big time!
Let's all keep in mind that she will have a bad competition or two eventually. Hopefully the boards won't explode when that happens.
Welcome Kaetlyn to skating forums!
You wish! There'll be .... like she's done or proof that judges were bribed in Skate Canada.
I also think she would have put in a good showing at NHK had she been invited to go, and might have even made it to the GPfinal.........maybe next year. She's only 16, so there's plenty of time, and I don't think we have to worry about the puberty monster with her as she has a woman's body now has put that phase behind her. She looks much more mature than her age, but her tweets indicate she's every bit a teenager . I'm still hoping that she inspires some of the other young Canadian Women to achieve what she is doing thus far. It's certainly going to make Women's skating a tad more interesting here in Canada. She has that star quality and I hope she can handle it and stay grounded. I'm thinking that Ravi has done a wonderful job with her so far. Go Kaetlyn and team!!!!!!
Yeah. The consensus was that the Ladies final flight at the Regina challenge was much more compelling to watch than the Mens.
Kaetlyn will be headlining the Ice Palace Christmas show this Saturday, 1:00 pm at West Edmonton Mall:
After watching this year's Challenge videos, I went back and watched Kaetlyn at last year's Challenge - the improvement in one year is unbelievable. Actually, I would even say that the improvement between last year's Challenge and Canadians was pretty incredible. Kaetlyn attempted the triple toe-triple toe at last year's Challenge, but fell on it (and the double axel) in the short program, and went on to land 4 triples in the long (two toes, one sal, and one flip). Since that time, she's gotten consistent on the triple-triple, added the double axel-triple toe and triple lutz to the long program, and gained a lot of speed, transitions, and performance ability.
I should also point out that the ladies field as whole showed big improvement over last year's Challenge, where the top 5 all outscored Kaetlyn's winning total score from last year. And last year's winning SP score would have been 9th this year. Hope that we see more of the same at Canadians in January!
I can't believe I'm actually excited about the ladies event at Canadians this year.
But we have only one ladies spot - I presume they will send the Canadian champion?
Though Osmond is certainly going to be a favourite over Lacoste. This Nationals is hers to lose.
Really? If both have a clean short, Osmond is almost certain to have at least a 5 point lead over Lacoste. And Lacoste isn't even consistent on the harder triples. I think it's a pretty done deal.


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SuckLead: Ma'am; stating the obvious first: you have dis-similar products.
Wood being the softer, filler the harder.
Two different ways: 1. sanding sealer 2. blending
Should you use the 1. sanding sealer; it will raise the grain and you will have to sand it smooth; maybe 2 coats. [no condescending statements from me]
just follow along.
Sanding sealer will fill all the grain; will dry relatively quickly; re' sand; recoat
re' sand. The wood will now be slick as all get out. Hard flexible product this 'sanding sealer' The 'blonde' coloring will now commence. Oil stain or water color? Oil will get you started better i.e. toward your goal; color, and preservation.
Staining will be entirely different compared to bare wood. wipe, sponge, rag, what-ever to get the stain on wood. Allow stain to sit approx. 3-5 minutes; wipe to coloring subjectivity. Doesn't suite you. Recolor after 8-12 hours. Blending with a rag. allow 24-48 hours to dry; use urethane to top coat. Coat lightly; allow a tackie surface; re-coat. Spray bomb will be fine.
Allow 24 hrs. and maybe recoat.
2. Blending; make surface wet with stain; allow 3-5 minuets sitting; use soft stroke ragging; end to end. use deliberate strokes. you should be able to find the pressure angle that you need. Maybe several coatings. Re-coat with urethane spray. Several coats. Hard and durable flexible.
Personally: I'd use the sanding sealer method
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Thanks for the explanation of reverse transcriptase and retrotransposon, after 10 pages of reading on this thread I finally learned something.
Keep up the good work WLC, way to think outside of the box.
Thanks for the explanation of reverse transcriptase and retrotransposon, after 10 pages of reading on this thread I finally learned something.
Keep up the good work WLC, way to think outside of the box.
...We can't just assume that any old bit if viral code will have the desired effect. (In fact quite how a bit of viral code has the effect of supplying a resistance to the bee is not explained either.) So we also have to assign a probablity to the transposed viral code being a useful piece (and never mind the mechanics of just it works). Whatever that probability is now has to be multiplied by 10,000 (the probability of insertion happening at the right place).
That, I would guess, would bring us into the same sorts of realms as good old mutation by background radiation - one in lots and lots and lots cubed lots of times.
This rather makes a mockery of WLC's analysis of his 1 in 10 hives experiment. His is a very far from impartial 'analysis' of a very badly conducted 'experiment' on a very inadequate sample. It is, lets recall, a 'theory' supplied by several posters over the course of a week or so - WLC being unable to explain it himself.
To take another easy pot: if bees were able to gain resistance every 10 matings in 'challenged' circumstances, it follows that viral problems would be fixed before they had even arisen!
I'm all for thinking outside the box, but this box has more holes than swiss cheese.
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The race isn't always to the swift, nor the fight to the strong, but that's the way to bet
Let us also remember that much of our own DNA and that of virtually all animals was originally viral code. It's one of the mechanisms of evolution.
That's not the same thing at all as incorporating it as a way of gaining resistance to the doner virus.
We gain resistance to viruses through the workings of our own immune system, by exposure mostly. But resistence is also passed down through colostrum - the first part of mother's milk. This is necessary because viruses constantly mutate - you need an up to date 'patch' as it were.
Any virus incorporated into our own code in the manner WLC suggests would be out of date within a generation or two.
Its worth reading this piece at wiki - particularly the part relating to animal husbandry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colostrum
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The race isn't always to the swift, nor the fight to the strong, but that's the way to bet
I wouldn't say we took it. But it got in there.
In bacteria, viruses insert themselves into the code (remember a virus is not a living thing, essentially only a section of RNA) and then may live on as part of the bacteria and its offspring indefinitely. At some point in the future, even many generations later, it can reemerge.
My breeding program takes advantage of the natural winnowing, natural exposure, and traditional breeding up of resulting performing stock.
Funny thing, back when the treatment-free thing was in its infancy, you'd hear things like 'you can't breed wolf resistant sheep.' But you can. Nobody does, but you can. You may get sheep with long legs that run fast, or that are well camouflaged, or that eat wolves, or who knows what. Once you have them though, you're going to have to work on breeding back in the traits for wool and meat production. All things considered, bees have ended up being much easier than that.
Introns help make diversity but viral code added to animal cells is different than plant and with meta-genetics and the importance of mythelation in both expression and deactivation of areas of introns because they are unfit... well its a great area of science but thinking you can split a viral infected hive and in your lifetime create a new gene from viral code is a joke the idea it will be a helpful gene is sad. dna has many repair mechanisms. the best we can hope for in our lifetime is micro-evolution as in changing the ratio or combination of genes for a better (or synergistic) effect to combat viruses and parasites.
granted in plants it may be different
This is a great field but what you learned in school is rather useless in five years and from several of the above statements I'd say careful listening to one person or book... though I dont remember even in school being told viral dna(?) could create a intron that would make a new gene for a protein that would benifit the host... wow
behavior, so it is hard to imagine that it was at most a guess
and a hope only 17 years ago when Kefuss began to
experiment with the idea. His respected doctoral mentor,
Ruttner, opined that bees could not be bred against mites,
saying, Sheep cant be bred against wolves.
From 1999 to 2005, Ralph
Buchler tested 13 lines of bees from different areas in Europe on the island of Unije in Croatia for resistance to
Varroa without treatment. Kefuss bees from Toulouse were the last to die out. Ruttner told me that it turns out
that sheep can be bred against wolves.
Sheep were pretty wolf resistant from the start. Their main defence was probably their exquisite climbing ability. There's a wonderful example of the extraordinary climbing of - in this case - goats, here:
The race isn't always to the swift, nor the fight to the strong, but that's the way to bet
Well there you go. If I could just come up with these things before everybody else does, maybe I could get my name on something beside my own website!
In reference to the article that is the basis for this thread, my reading suggests that the Varroa mites had suppressed reproduction in the Gotland colonies and these same mites were tested in other control colonies and their reproductive success was notably improved to a statistically significant degree. This answers a criticism I have seen in other venues (and possibly this thread, I don't remember) that the "obvious" explanation for the reduced reproductive success was essentially entirely on the basis of the selection of a less fecund mite population.
That's not it.
The original 'Bond' studies claimed that the bees had adapted rather than the mites. However, they still can't provide specific evidence for the mechanism.
My own view is that they haven't demonstrated 'co-evolution' between mites and bees.
However, Maori et al. (2007) provided specific examples of co-evolution between IAPV and Honeybees. They found IAPV fragments in the Honeybee genome (providing resistance), and Honeybee sequences in IAPV!
That's co-evolution.
It does seem obvious to me that where bees are targetting large mite families and leaving smaller ones alone, the result will be the emergence of mite strains that have smaller families. The 'coevolution' is the result of bees effectively breeding less fecund mites.
If, as you say, the mites were tested in other colonies and found to tend to return to larger families, that would tend to confirm the hypothessis that the first (VHS) bees were responsible. (An extract would be handy)
The mechanism responsible would be the VHS bees' tendency to uncap and destroy larger mite families, but to leave small families alone. There appears to be evidence (see below) that the bees even leave alone and recap small mite families - at least I think that is what is being inferred - the writing isn't explicit.
That's how I make sense of it.
In this case I think its safe to say (against WLC's view) that co-evolution is what is being observed. We should note that this 'evolution' can switch back rapidly - there's nothing fixed about it.
BTW: We need to acknowledge the multi-layered nature of the term 'mechanism'. 'Mechanisms' are known to be tricky things to talk about. I've speculated about a 'mechanism' above, and it seems like a plausible explanation to me for how VSH 'works'. But it doesn't say anything about the lower level 'mechanism' responsible for the bees' behaviour in the first place. This is known to be genetic - because it is heritable - but the exact gene locations responsible are undiscovered as yet. So WLC, who is interested in the molecular level - is quite right in saying 'the mechanism' is unknown - at that level. It is also right to to say that part of the second-level mechanism - of how bees detect varroa in closed cells in the first place - is unclear. (The best guess as far as I know is by odour.)
Saying 'the mechanism is unknown' is true therefore in some respects, but not in others. And we must be careful not to elide - to infer unknowns from one area are unknowns in others - where things are better, even if imperfectly, understood.
Its worth bearing in mind too, none of this need concern beekeepers at all. As long as you follow the method of propagating from best - boosted if necessary by more intense breeding measures - all will be well. You don't need to know any more than how to apply to bees the dictum 'put best to best'.
Bees with the trait were initially bred by the USDA Honey Bee Breeding, Genetics and Physiology Laboratory in Baton Rouge, LA from colonies in which mite populations grew only slowly.[1]
The factor causing slow mite population growth was found to be heritable[2]. The rate of mite population growth was found to be correlated with the reproductive rates of mites[1], resulting in naming the factor "suppressed mite reproduction" (SMR)[3]. It was subsequently discovered that the factor is founded on hygienic activity of adult bees[4][5], so SMR was renamed VSH.[6]
VSH activity results in (1) an abnormally low proportion of mites that produce offspring within the population that remains in capped brood and (2) reduction of the brood infestation rate by greater than 70%. The specifics of how hygienic bees detect mite infested brood currently are unknown.
Extension.org: Selecting for Varroa Sensitive Reproduction
Select on mite infertility
The most reliable method is to select for a high infertility rate in the mite population (Fig. 2). We are not certain how it happens, but somehow VSH increases mite infertility. Generally, 15-25% of mites in non-resistant colonies do not lay eggs. Infertility increases to 80-100% in colonies with pure VSH queens. Mite populations eventually decline in these colonies because so few mites lay eggs.
Removal of mite-infested brood is probably triggered by unusual odors that penetrate the cell cap to the outside where hygienic bees patrol the comb surface. We have observed that VSH bees respond vigorously to highly infested brood (e.g. 15–25 mites per 100 capped cells) that is transferred into the colony (Fig. 4). They uncap and remove many mite-infested pupae quickly. They respond with much less intensity to brood with low infestation rates (1–5 mites per 100 capped cells), probably because the chemical signals that trigger removal are less concentrated and harder to detect.
Another characteristic of VSH bees is a reduced fertility of mites, when compared to non-VSH bees. In a colony, mite fertility is reduced several weeks after introduction of VSH queens into non-selected colonies.
The VSH bees shown in Fig. 7 have about 30% reproductive mites (a normal family capable of producing a mature daughter). About 55% are infertile or non-laying mites (blue slice), and there are mites that die without producing offspring (red slice). There are also mites that produce a family, but their daughters do not mature before the bee emerges (yellow slice). These are fertile because they laid some eggs, but they are also considered non-reproductive because they will not produce even 1 mature daughter.
Sometimes, uncapped cells are recapped. VSH bees will exhibit this recapping more then non-hygienic bees, as seen in the following data (Villa et al 2010)
•Recapped cells (%)
•VSH: 38 ± 0.3 a
•Hybrid: 19 ± 0.8 ab
•Control: 17 ± 0.3 b
It is possible that uncapping and recapping interferes with mite reproduction.
Last edited by Solomon Parker; 09-28-2012 at 07:22 AM. Reason: Refer to users by their user name
The race isn't always to the swift, nor the fight to the strong, but that's the way to bet
Was it like your 'I made ten splits and one didn't show symptoms, so that one has become resistant.'?
Could you provide extracts of the descriptions of their tests?
The race isn't always to the swift, nor the fight to the strong, but that's the way to bet
The name is WLC.
Not Bill.
It wasn't 10 splits, it was 8. We won't know if anything 'jumped' for a while.
Maori, Tanne, and Sela used Southern, Northern, and Western blot analysis, DNA sequencing, and Primer walking, to prove both co-evolution and virus resistance. You really should at least read the abstract. If you want to read the paper, you'll need institutional access. No, I won't send it to you for free.
In addition, both they and U.S. scientistis demonstrated that the IAPV fragment could be fed to bees as dsRNA to make them resistant to IAPV via RNAi.
Their work is rock solid.
The only place I can really see cooevolution in the Locke paper is the title.
Last edited by Solomon Parker; 09-28-2012 at 07:19 AM. Reason: Off Topic
Its soooo easy to express an opinion; its much harder to substantiate it. But you have to to be convincing. Unless you're winning the argument with better positions than mine you're - or just by showing how mine is flawed - you're losing it. Swim or sink.
Show us _why_ you think my position - and the authors' - is wrong.
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The race isn't always to the swift, nor the fight to the strong, but that's the way to bet
If you want to know how Maori and the Beeologics team did it, I can only recommend that you get hold of the papers yourself.
While we might be able to do the 'jumping gene' detection and preliminary RNA based evidence for resistance, we can't do the key proof.
We can't feed jumping genes back to bees.
Anyway, I'd settle for the detection alone. It's more than enough to find something at that site in the Honeybee. No one else is looking.
Hygienic behavior was described as a possible mechanism in the Avignon hive, but not in the Gotland hive.
So, hygienic behavior is a 'possible' but not a 'definite' at Avignon.
That still leaves us with a need for a 'deeper understanding' of what is occurring at Avignon and Gotland.
I still don't see any proof for coevolution.
Just the usual conclusion: it needs more study.
WLC you're not responding to proper criticisms of your positions, nor addressing direct questions that have been put to you. (I could list them, and they probably come to 20 or 30 by now) You've barely acknowledged any of the points made by others.
This is very telling. It is natural for us to understand that trying to meet these challenges would reveal yet more weaknesses. It speaks of deep bluffing. Its also very un-academic and unscientific. You are not engaged in a discussion with us, aiming to elucidate the facts of your case. You're avoiding difficulties and simply re-stating your beliefs.
That alone wouldn't matter - although its tiresome - and greatly irritating to those whose conversations you're obstructing. But it gets worse.
You are recommending to beekeepers, under cover of scientifically dominstrated fact, an untested GM method of raising resistant bees. The method flies in the face of tested breeding husbandry - anyone following it could expect rapid stock collapse.
It may be a legitimate and valid system - if you're into GM - but -even if if works, and that appears to be unknown, its utterly unsuited to practical bee raising.
Do you understand many people have a great attachment to their stock? Many are dependent on their stock for part of their livelihood, some for their entire livelihood?
Anyway, I'd settle for the detection alone. It's more than enough to find something at that site in the Honeybee. No one else is looking.[/queen]
More than enough for what? To be able to reinforce your message to beekeepers - 'breed from 'challenged' bees and your problems will be over?
The bees and mites at Avignon and Gotland have clearly changed in response to the pressure put upon the bees by the mites. The bee-mite pairing has 'bred' bees capable of living together. The result is a bee-mite pairing that can survive and thrive. Each has changed in response to the other. And that is called 'co-evolution.'
As to the need for further study: WLC there is pretty much always a 'need for a deeper understanding'. And it is normal practice in any academic/scientific paper to supply directions for further research in the conclusion. It doesn't indicate a confession of failure of any sort in the study being presented.
Do you not know this? In what field are your 'advanced degrees'?
Last edited by mike bispham; 09-29-2012 at 02:07 AM.
The race isn't always to the swift, nor the fight to the strong, but that's the way to bet
The race isn't always to the swift, nor the fight to the strong, but that's the way to bet
I tend to answer questions selectively. You know, I avoid questions like, "Do you still kick your dog?"
Biology and Administration.
It's OK for me to test hypotheses.
I'm saying that bees are naturally transgenic. They can become resistant instantly and naturally.
I've presented it as 'evidence' for why treatment-free beekeeping can work.
I've also made the case for why Maori's work is still the strongest evidence to date for coevolution between bees and pathogens.
Now, if someone could do something similar for bees, varroa, and other pests/patohgens vis-a-vis treatment-free beekeeping, then we'd have a complete coevolution package.
The 'Bond' bees of Avignon and Gotland are well documented study hives. However, the evidence for coevolution is always presented as 'conditional' statements in the studies done.
They think that it's coevolution, but they're still studying it.
Barbara Locke has her work cut out for her.
Hygienic bees, in my opinion, are artificially selected stock bred by different programs/operations.
So, even though I bought VSH bees and didn't use standard treatment practices, I have no delusions that my bees represent a 'natural population' of bees.
They're livestock.
So, I hope that you understand my own 'informed' assessment of the state of coevolution research in bees.
The Bond bees and hygienic bees aren't the best existing evidence for it.
Maori et al. still have the best evidence of coevolution between Honeybees and a pathogen to date.
You do know that they've found a bunch of transposable elements in the genomic survey of Varroa destructor? Right?
I hope that you can see that I'm advocating for a line of inquiry.
Since you have a ba (minimum) in Biology you must know what I mean?
Unless the probabilities can be shortened from (my) current estimates dramatically [understatement alert], the effect of following your recommendations will be to negate (actually reverse) the well tested methods of finding health through selection for strongest - since you advocate propagating out of weakness (vulnerability to the target virus).
This, as I've pointed out to you, will have the effect of rapidly undermining apiary health. Do you wish to challenge that statement? Or does that fall the wrong side of your response-selection process for some reason?
Furthermore there is already a fulsome account of why treatment-free beekeeping works. I'm not saying its complete, but the understanding of raising beneficial and required alleles in a population a la natural selection via artificial selection supplies what is widely accepted to be an adequate explanation.
This understanding is supported a large and growing body of evidence, and has ample scientific underpinning.
You reserve the term 'evolution' for such changes that are reflected in additions to the genome.
Lock, myself and others allow that the term 'evolution' can be used to describe the processes by which shifts in population genetics occur.
We allow that the raising of alleles within a population supplying resistance to varroa due to natural selection are examples of an evoltionary process. Similarly changes in (mite) fecundity might be explained by nothing more than the concentration in the mite population of alleles coding for low fertility. We describe that as evolution - referring primarily to the _process_ .
You deny that. You want to see a stronger degree of permanance to any changes before you'll allow the description 'evolution'.
Have I got that right? We're arguing at cross purposes, due to differences in what we regard as proper use of the key term?
Do you mean home-made GM?
Or do you mean natural/semi natural (beekeeper aided) transgenesis? In which case we must return to:
a) the long odds question,
and (not 'or', _and_)
b) the difficulties inherent in selecting for health while selecting from diseased stock!
I hope you're beginning to understand the nature of the constraints of evidence and the difficulties in application of your ideas.
Last edited by mike bispham; 09-30-2012 at 05:21 AM.
The race isn't always to the swift, nor the fight to the strong, but that's the way to bet
It means that I know how to formulate and test hypotheses.
Responding to some of what folks write simply goes too far afield from the main thrust of my argument or the thread.
I've previously tested these bees for insertions at the site of interest and have detected many, and sequenced a few. They're already there. I've used and studied transposable elements before, and have even developed methodologies to get them to insert into sites preferentially.
Why use bees with an overt DWV infection to look for DWV insertions and even resistance? Viruses can overwhelm the bees molecularl immunity (RNAi) to such an extent, that transposable elements are no longer suppressed (my interpretation of the Johnson, 2009, paper). They start jumping. Transposable elements are known to 'jump' when sperm and eggs are being formed.
So, if you want to select for DWV resistant bees, you need to have plenty of DWV, and then you need to make new queens. You can find that evidence by taking Maori's and Hunter's approach (general structural gene insertions, or you can can use my approach (site specific). For beekeepers, it's just another Artificial selection method, but it has a solid theoretical foundation.
You don't need to be treatment-free for the above methodology to work. Sorry.
The coevolution hypothesis in the Locke paper is supported by conjectural evidence. But, they're still looking. I've endeavored to show you what evidence actually looks like.
I was describing finding jumping genes in bees, varroa and viruses that prove both recombination and resistance (coevolution).
The problem with proving coevolution in hygienice bees is that they still can't identify the genes involved. In fact, they can't even get candidate genes for hygienic traits from different studies to match. They don't have any solid evidence, yet.
Mike, since you clearly don't understand what you're reading in a scientific paper, I'll keep my own counsel on what I should be doing.


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so I'm trying to pick 2D quads. I read this paper (http://www.dyn-lab.c...-selection.html), and I fully understand the theory behind it, however I have a little problem.
All the 2D quads I render start from a quad that is defined like this:
-1, 1..........1, 1
this quad gets translated rotated and scaled, so that it appers on screen where and how I want it. Now the problem is that in the paper, it says that I should do the picking in object space. Now in object space all of the quads are the same right? Because I essentially render the same quad over and over again. So my question is, do I have to transform all the quads into normalized device coordinates, so that I can do picking?
Or is it unnecessary?
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I woke up this morning, and what did I see?
"The Breakfast Club" was on my TV.
– Fogs
I promise, I won't expose you to my poetry often, it's just that sometimes I have something really insightful that I feel will benefit or illuminate everyone, as in the case above.
True story though, pulled up the tv tray, pouring me some cereal and there it was. "The Breakfast Club". On a premium channel no less, so no commercials. Are you gonna NOT switch to that?? Of course you're gonna. Plus – I'm eating breakfast, how ironic! So I'm watching it, it's a little way in, and I guess my newfound perspective as a blogger has me watching it a little more closely than usual.
And you know what? It's great. I mean, that movie is just great. So so awesome. I felt like I was watching it with fresh eyes, and the greatness of it really just struck me hard.
I know, I know. NEWSFLASH! Right? But, you know, there are people out there who haven't seen these things, folks! I spent a lot of time this weekend checking out other people's blogs and… it's a younger generation out there. There was one kid who said "Jaws" was boring. Man, these movies are getting OLD now. We have to protect these flicks, keep them alive, in the discussion. That's up to us!
So. Seeing as I was looking for excuses to write-up older movies anyways, I decided I would write this series about Movies That Everyone Should See. If you want to call yourself a film fan, and you haven't seen one of these flicks, my opinion of you loses points. If you're a casual viewer and you haven't watched them, what the hell are you waiting for. These will be the no brainer, mortal lock, absolute shoo-in, first ballot hall of fame type movies that there's absolutely no excuse for not having seen.
Let's start here. The Breakfast Club.


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Volunteers continue to cleanup three weeks after floods
FOUNTAIN, Colo. - A dozen volunteers got their hands dirty Sunday in an effort to clean up a regional park filled with debris after it flooded several weeks ago.
Volunteers meet at Cottonwood Meadows at Fountain Creek Regional Park Sunday morning to sift the muddy wetlands for debris carried into the area by flooding three weeks earlier.
Debris was carried down Fountain Creek and it settled in the regional park in Fountain.
"It provides habitat for a variety of animals so it needs to be cleaned of debris so it can return to its natural state," said Susan Davies, executive director with Trails and Open Space Coalition.
Heavy rain pushed Fountain Creek over its banks in the regional park. The water subsided, but it left behind a muddy mess of debris.
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My name is Michiel, I'm 20 years old, and I'm from The Netherlands.
This is my first year as a beekeeper, and I'm addicted allready, I can't wait till the next inspection
I also have a Boa Constrictor, Turtles, Dog, Cats, Chickens, and what not . I love to take hikes and search for (and photograph) reptiles and other wildlife.
I'll post pics whenever I feel like it
Here are some pics I took last week.
My Hive (I'll have two by the end of this year)
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A Revenger's Tragedy is the final mission in the game if the player choses the "Deal storyline. It follows the mission Mr and Mrs Bellic and is triggered by a phone call Niko receives from Little Jacob.
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Get to Jacob in a car in Koresh Square. Get inside. Jacob point to a mysterious car nearby; they're Dimitri Rascalov's men. Make a U-Turn. It looks like a U-Turn is impossible, but Dimitri's men will shoot the car's tires up a bit to make this U-Turn easier. Chase after Rascalov's goons. He will mainly follow the highway, and swerve in and out of both lanes. Watch out for other car heading the other direction. After a few minutes, the chase will finish in Northern Alderney near Leftwood. Be careful not to send the car into flames by then or you'll fail.
The target vehicle drives to an abandoned casino, Dimitri's apparent hideout. A cutscene shows Niko's car sliding to the side and stopping. Niko and Jacob get out, take out their weapons and gain cover behind the car. Niko tells Jacob to go home and stay there until Niko really needs his help. Jacob runs away as fast as he can and leave Niko to clean up Dimitri Rascalov.
Get cover behind the trunk of the car and take out the men on the casino roof. After that, run closer to the casino and use one of the crates of salt as cover. Finish off as many goons as you can. Remember that grenades and a rocket launcher will help to get the last of them. Make sure there are no goons left standing, and then walk to the door at the front of the casino. Get cover on the right side of the door.
Use an assault rifle to take out most of the men. If there are any goons hiding, use a Rocket Launcher to finish them off. Once most, if not all of them are dead, run inside and get the first aid kit on the left wall if you need it. Kill the last of the men and go to the big hole at the back left of the casino.
Dimitri will yell something to Niko and run up some stairs. Then he leaps out of the sky door. Chase him up the stairs and out onto the roof. Don't shoot Dimitri - he has infinite health at this point so you're wasting bullets. Focus only on killing the goons - some of them have a nice, bloody death.
Climb onto the roof and ambush all of the men. Once they are dead, a cutscene shows Niko jumping onto Rascalov's helicopter. An unknown worker of Dimitri's stomps on Niko's feet and he falls next to a speedboat.
Take control of the boat and carefully chase Rascalov's helicopter until you see Jacob's Annihilator fly into the scene. Chase Jacob's helicopter and get under it to climb on.
Work your way onto the helicopter and take the steering. Fly after Rascalov's helicopter but don't use the mounted miniguns like the game prompts. This is just wasting time since Rascalov's helicopter has infinite health and it's also a bad idea because you'll risk geting hit by the rocket launcher's missile.
One of Rascalov's men shoots after you with an Rocket Launcher and jacob shoots after them with an carbine after some time jacob damages the helicopter, but they also hits you with an missile that can't be dogded. Both choppers crash-lands on Happiness Island with Niko, Jacob, Dimitri, and Rascalov's goons narrowly surviving.
Chase Dimitri Rascalov around the island and kill his goons. He will stop at the back of the Statue of Happiness where you have a clear shot to kill him. He has Body Armor so take your AK or Carbine Rifle and finish off Rascalov.
Dimitri slowly dies at the side of the Statue while muttering a few things about Niko's disloyalty before his death. Jacob notifies Niko of his death and tells Niko to "stay safe" while he is on his way home.
Then tou have completed the main story of 'GTA IV .The credits roll and end with Niko saying "So this is what the dream feels like, this is the victory we longed for". If you're playing the PS3 version, you get a Trophy, You Won. If you're playing the Xbox 360 or PC you get an Achievement, 60GS You Won.
Tip: Right after Niko falls from the helicopter, swim under the dock first, as the rocket Dimitri's henchmen fires may kill you, usually with one shot. Once the rocket has been fired, proceed to the boat and continue with the mission. If you are finding it difficult to reach Jacob's chopper during the boat chase then follow these instructions. Get in the boat as quickly as you can (perhaps even ignoring the first tip completely) and once you do go full throttle all the way. If you even slowdown for a second you may fail the mission. Also, avoid making sharp turns as this slows down your speed. Contrary to popular belief DO NOT move the joystick forward it does not increase your speed. Once Jacob appears, align your boat exactly to the marker to ensure the cutscene triggers.
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At the end, notice that Niko says to Dimitri "You killed your best friend" and "You killed my cousin" Niko is wrong, Niko killed Faustin and a assassin killed Roman


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1 Qing PANG / Jian TONG (CHN) 71.41
2 Paige LAWRENCE / Rudi SWIEGERS (CAN) 59.98
3 Meagan DUHAMEL / Eric RADFORD (CAN) 59.92
4 Caitlin YANKOWSKAS / John COUGHLIN (USA) 55.25
5 Kirsten MOORE-TOWERS / Dylan MOSCOVITCH (CAN) 54.41
6 Amanda EVORA / Mark LADWIG (USA) 52.23
7 Yue ZHANG / Lei WANG (CHN) 50.61
8 Narumi TAKAHASHI / Mervin TRAN (JPN) 50.25
9 Huibo DONG / Yiming WU (CHN) 46.41
10 Mary Beth MARLEY / Rockne BRUBAKER (USA) 45.60
MT-M... you can lasso the whole group (except P/T, of course). Go out and skate a great long program!
2-8 could conceivably shift a whole lot. And two Canadian teams on the podium would be very cool.
Heh. I make no guarantees.
I have a feeling if Y/C had skated this cleanly, they'd be in 2nd place behind P/T. This is a beautiful program.
Hmmm, now I know who it is she reminds me of ~ Nicole Bobek!
Seems like they took it easy, after the step-out of the throw 3jump from her, then they opted for double side-by-side jumps instead of triple.
Announcer says they are 4th place. (:^)
Back to my analysis, as I still haven't watched any of the pairs programs from Nationals except Donland & Speroff, Marley & Brubaker, and a couple of junior & novice teams as well. I might've watched some more but I honestly don't remember nor do I think so. :D
Anyhow, she really has very very excellent lines, posture, arms, hands, fingers (actually she resembles one of my all-time favs Oksana Baiul as well; same body, et al). And he reminds me of Rockne Brubaker when it comes to physique, both built for pairs. Easy to see they are an excellent pair couple, but it takes something extra special to make me a fan, which D&S and M&B have. Nevertheless, I wish all American Pairs to do well.
Pang/Tong were great. Everyone else, not so much. Actually Lawrence/Swiegers appeared to do well, but I missed their skate. I am relieved for Mark Ladwig that they were able to repair his skate and that he could continue on with the program. Yankowskas/Coughlin were off today... I don't think they've made a SP error all season until today.
Dream on if you think any of the American Pairs will make it in the big time, and I honestly don't care, that's not why I'm a fan of D&S and M&B. They just have that extra something special I look for in a pair, namely two shall skate as one, accompanied with good looks (yes, I'm shallow, but it's the truth). :D
Anyhow, as I said earlier I don't expect much from American Pairs on the world stage, they'll be extremely lucky to pick up a medal on the GP, or here for that matter. And a World or an Olympic Medal will never happen, at least not for a decade imho, if not longer. But that's why it's so special to watch US Nationals, to see whose the best in the country, top 10!
Honestly, the last time a favorite of mine came from America was Tai Babilonia and Randy Gardner in the late 1970's. Ah, the memories, love looking at old footage of them from the old days. Paired up when they were children, just special throughout, a gorgeous pair. I remember I cried when they came back to professional competition in the mid-90's, never losing a thing, honestly better than ever! It's just too bad Randy's gay, you can tell Tai has had it big for him since she was 8, lol. :D Seriously, I think that's why her relationships never work out, but Randy's always there, always has been.
This has made me nostalgic, I'm off to youtube to watch an old video of them.
I don't think of "two shall skate as one" when I watch either of those pairs, but we're all entitled to our opinions. As for US teams being lucky to medal on the GP, well, it doesn't happen often, but it certainly has happened.
Anyway, I hope someone has captured video of today's action and puts it on Youtube because I did miss a couple skates here and there. But I'm not holding my breath.
Guess you missed when Amanda & Mark and Caitlyn & John both picked up bronze medals on the GP circuit this past fall. It's a little too early to declare that US pairs are never going to win another World or Olympic medal especially since we don't have a clue what's even going to happen next season yet. :sheesh:Anyhow, as I said earlier I don't expect much from American Pairs on the world stage, they'll be extremely lucky to pick up a medal on the GP, or here for that matter. And a World or an Olympic Medal will never happen, at least not for a decade imho, if not longer. But that's why it's so special to watch US Nationals, to see whose the best in the country, top 10!
I'm happy A&M were able to hold their composure so well during the boot incident (that was scary, I thought he was hurt) and it was just reported on Twitter from both Universal Sports and Skate Canada that Rudi Sweigers gave his boots to Mark so that he and Amanda could finish their program today. That is pure class right there. I hope Mark can get his boot fixed before the LP and that both teams skate awesome LPs.
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"I just felt he would do it for me," Swiegers said. "The least I could do is offer."


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Their eldest son, Carter (Adam Scott), may not be able to Make the madness stop. His oft-married dad is still a serial philanderer, and Mom is still the harpy who never lets him forget it. But Carter manages them as only an A.C.O.D. can.
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Hello, thinking about getting a puppy! I want a german shepherd and wife wants a Swiss mountain dog. We have a 1 year old puggle now that needs a playmate, very active and energetic. We have a 4 month old daughter now, abd will prob have 3 kids total in the future. We like walks and running and hiking. With our schedule someone will be home most of the day at all times, with your expertise, which do you recommend? in terms of training, loyalty, and socially?
What does everyone spend on food a month and what brand? and how much on heartworm/flea and tick? its a big difference from my 25 lb puggle who eats blue buffalo Freedom, would you recommend that for GSD? Thank you.
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Food cost is nothing compared to the time investment with a GSD. And honestly, I spend way more on training and equipment and vetting than I do on food. If you have to budget food costs, don't get any dog, much less a GSD.
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We feed our GSD pup blue buffalo large puppy breed. People think we're crazy for how much we spend on our food but her health is super important to us. It does get expensive between food (since she goes through it so fast!) and the training cost have definitely added up. But I would say if you don't plan to put your GSD in training classes or anything.... Probably go with a different breed. Or getting a GSD **COULD** be a very bad experience. That's just my personal opinion. Good luck finding the right breed for you. :)
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The cost of the food is totally depends upon food brand. And training cost is also vary according to the trainer. So if you love your GSD then forget about the money. But don't forget Best Tips to Clean Pet Stains.
I have a breed profile book. For Swiss Mountain dog it referred me to the Bernese Mountain dog. "potential for extreme shyness can lead to a fear-based aggression this is difficult to modify." "it is trainable, but patience and precision are crucial", "we do not recommend this breed for families with children because of the potential for aggression".
Gsd from same book, ""makes a great family pet when properly trained, and it will love and protect your children almost to a fault. It can be suspicious of your children's friends, which could lead to a biting incident if the child shows fear or flight". "Children are okay provided no roughhousing or chase games are permitted".
I think it is great you are considering whether a GSD is the right dog for you before you actually get one, hopefully you will be able to make an informed decision and not be disappointed in the future.
In terms of food, training, loyalty, and socially for a GSD, my experience is that they are not great eaters, an adult male can be on about 2 cups (220grams) and 1 to 1 1/2 cups for a female a day. Training - they are generally a breeze to train, very intelligent dogs that usually want to please you and really enjoy doing a job such as obedience exercises. Loyality - when I think of this word I immediately think of a GSD, they will be loyal, your friend and protect you always. Socially - now here is where you will experience different opinions, mainly based on the GSDs temperament, but my experience is that they are social with other dogs and people as puppies, however from about 1yo they can and do develop fears, insecurities and don't necessarily enjoy the company of other dogs - they only want to be with you. So if you are a person that would like to frequent dog parks and expect your dog to behave and run around playing with other dogs, a GSD may not be the right one for you.
With the Swiss Mountain dog, I assume you mean the Bernese Mountain dog, I have never owned one, but I used to see one at an all breads obedience training group and he was a lovely almost goofy type of a dog, not easy to train compared to a GSD, was as though he just didn't have the same intelligence but was every dogs friend and very playful, not to mention very good looking.
I can't believe I'm being this much of a stickler, but the Greater Swiss Mountain Dog is a different breed than a Bernese. ;)
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OP, I'm just curious, what is it that is drawing you guys to the two breeds? You're looking at some pretty different temperaments, there. You're getting a lot of info on GSDs, so I'll just throw in a little about the GSMD. They're a livestock guardian breed, which means they were bred to have a natural protective instinct. I don't think they're as bad as some of the more hard-core working livestock dogs out there, but you have to be VERY aware of what that protectiveness entails. Where a GSD is protective but bred to focus very much on a handler, livestock dogs are bred to literally live out with their flock. They ARE bred to be very gentle with whoever they are raised with, but not bred to focus on a handler. They are meant to make their own decisions on when to be protective because a predator can attack in the middle of the night and they need to follow instinct without waiting for commands.
What this means for pet owners is that the dog needs RIDICULOUS amounts of socialization. It takes a little more effort for training because the dogs aren't as naturally in tune with people. They will be super wonderful and loving with the family they're normally around, but can really easily develop guarding problems over "their" property. This can be as harmless as barking at people who walk past the house, or as dangerous as getting protective over your children while they're playing with friends. You really need to be diligent about not only taking the dog out of your property regularly for socialization and training, you want to actively work on training this type of dog to accept strange people in your house.
Like I said, I think this breed doesn't have as many issues as other livestock dogs, but you still need to be aware of the potential. They might look sweet like a lab or a golden, but they are definitely different dogs.
With a 4 month old baby at home (which is an awful lot of work!) you really want to objectively look at your situation, the time you want and can realistically invest into training, and the traits you're looking for in a dog. With your current dog, you might have a stubborn trainer on your hands (beagles and pugs are not really known for their smarts! haha), but neither dog is going to be naturally protective or aggressive. Now you're looking at two breeds that both have the potential to go pretty poorly unless you're really diligent with training. It's a really great idea to make a list of the things that are MOST important to you in another dog, then start picking out breeds that fit in that list. :) Not saying either breed necessarily ISN'T a good fit for you, either, since I don't know about your history with dogs or how much you want to invest in training! Just that it's good to think of all these things.
Also, don't forget that adopting an adult can be really great! You'll already have an idea about the temperament of the dog, so it's possible to find a dog that has the potential to be more difficult, but that will fit in well with your family. Good luck on your search!
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There are 4 different Sennenhunds, or Swiss Mountain dogs. The Bernese is the most popular in the states. I have trained a few and have yet to meet one that displays the common traits of a LGD (Kuvasz, Ovtcharka, Anatolian...) but they all came from pet breeders. None of them would ever become OB superstars, but they were great family dogs.
My personal favorite Swiss Mountain breed is the Entlebucher. Nice, versatile breed for someone looking for a smaller dog.
Some information on the 4 breeds.
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Rated 4 out of 5�by 3 reviewers.
Rated 5 out of 5�by barbieann71 mindy lace valance I love these curtains. they wash nice and I bought several pairs. April 12, 2014
Rated 5 out of 5�by Raysville I was completely satisfied with my purchase. I purchased one swag valance and one straight valance both in white to be used together and it looks great....the price was reasonable and the quality is good. I am happy with my purchase and the look accents my room. October 19, 2013
Rated 2 out of 5�by irishangel Soft Blue not the same as on screen. I love this valance, the quality, the shape, its beautiful, I loved the color of soft blue online. however when I got it, it does not look like the screen. its so light, it is almost white, other times when the light hits it, it almost looks like a light purple. its not at all like the screen, so I just wanted people to know what to expect. July 21, 2013
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Face:100% Polyester Lace
Care Instruction:
Machine Wash/Line Dry