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Town Square
Was Pat Tillman murdered? New information
Original post made by The Cohen Brother, Old Palo Alto, on Jul 27, 2007
But, according to the AP, medical examiners questioned the close proximity of three bullet holes in Tillman's forehead, fired from ten yards away. There are questions -- which will be difficult to hear, considering Tillman's heroism -- that Tillman was not well-liked within his unit. Other elements of the circumstances surrounding Tillman's death appear difficult to reconcile with the friendly-fire ruling -- which came after the Army announced that Tillman died in combat:
In his last words moments before he was killed, Tillman snapped at a panicky comrade under fire to shut up and stop "sniveling."
_ Army attorneys sent each other congratulatory e-mails for keeping criminal investigators at bay as the Army conducted an internal friendly-fire investigation that resulted in administrative, or non-criminal, punishments.
_ The three-star general who kept the truth about Tillman's death from his family and the public told investigators some 70 times that he had a bad memory and couldn't recall details of his actions.
No evidence at all of enemy fire was found at the scene _ no one was hit by enemy fire, nor was any government equipment struck.
Almost every aspect of Tillman's death has been surrounded by official obfuscation. The head of the Army's Training and Doctrine Command, General William Wallace, is in charge of issuing reprisals to Tillman's commanders. His recommendations, according to Julian Barnes of the Los Angeles Times, are for administrative punishments and not criminal ones. The general who told investigators 70 times of his faulty memory, now-retired Lieutenant General Philip R. Kensinger Jr., will be stripped of one of his stars and lose approximately $900 a month from his retirement package.
On Wednesday, House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (D-CA) will hold a hearing about what and when the Pentagon leadership knew about Tillman's death. Kensinger has been invited to testify, as has former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, former Central Command chief General John Abizaid, and former Joint Chiefs Chairman General Richard Myers. They're not likely to appear, but the AP's revelations will surely figure prominently in the committee's exploration of what exactly happened to a national hero.
Comments (69)
a resident of Los Altos
on Jul 27, 2007 at 1:35 pm
This is simply the most venal, criminal, mendacious, incompetent, anti-constitutional, larcenous, immoral administration in our history. I have serious doubts if the Republic will survive these bastards. My outrage has long since worn down. Oh. So they covered up the murder of a "hero". I'm shocked. Shocked.
How many people have these criminals killed? Not only in their illegal war, but by simple incompetence and greed. We will never know how many innocents died in the days after Katrina.
Way to go, Supremes. You appointed a brown shirt mafia to helm our nation.
Pray for an election, folks. Any election. These criminals are totally capable of faking a terrorist attack and imposing martial law.
a resident of Community Center
on Jul 27, 2007 at 1:36 pm
Tillman was very vocal about the foolishness of fighting in Iraq, when the real enemy was bin Laden in Afghanistan. He told people he was going to make this public when he got back to the USA on leave.
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jul 27, 2007 at 1:43 pm
As I read the alternating coverage today on the murder of Pat Tillman and the deliberate confusion Gonzales has created over TSP/"Project X," it occured to me that maybe we're not talking about two different subjects here.
What if Project X (or the unspoken aspect of TSP) is the actual murder of administration poster boys-turned-hugely-embarassing-critics like Pat Tillman?
What if the murder of Tillman and others is the extreme atrocity even Double-High RWA John Ashcroft couldn't stomach?
Isn't that far more likely than Ashcroft, Comey, Mueller and the entire top staff of DOJ threatening to quit over some technical glitches that were easily smoothed over in the course of two or three weeks?
I just can't get out of my head the image of a totalitarian freak like John Ashcroft encountering something so horrible it would literally raise him off his deathbed to defy the president Ashcroft fervently believed was anointed by God Almighty himself.
Tweaks just don't cut it. Premeditated, cold-blooded murder does.
a resident of Barron Park
on Jul 27, 2007 at 1:48 pm
I think Tillman, an outspoken critic of the war, stumbled into something that others were afraid he would talk about. The triple tap to the forehead and the burned body armor have a really bad stink to them, and the "fog of war" would have to be awfully thick to obscure his friendly status over a distance of only ten yards.
Additionally, if the administration refuses to release all the pertinent information about Tillman's death, it's only fair to blame them for it.
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 27, 2007 at 1:56 pm
Another possibility is that the forces were divided and lost awareness of the situation. I suppose it is also possible that Cheney, in the Roswell UFO, personally flew in and executed Tillman for re-registering democrat. I see nothing in the situation or in the reported discrepancies in statements that would paint this as anything other than that wonderful Army invention, the SNAFU. Of course, we haven't heard from Rosie O'Donald yet.
a resident of College Terrace
on Jul 27, 2007 at 2:01 pm
Tillman was murdered because he turned against the Regime. I've benn saying for years that the biggest mistake sane America has made in its perception of the Regime is to treat it and Al Qaeda as separate entities.
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Jul 27, 2007 at 2:04 pm
That is called murder, nothing else is remotely plausible. And they knew it all along. That's why the White House is claiming executive privilege on
those documents. And like everything else, they'll just run out the clock.
a resident of Southgate
on Jul 27, 2007 at 2:07 pm
I'm puzzled why this investigation has taken so long. Even last September 2006 an article in Sports Illustrated discussed the three bullet holes in Tillman's forehead:
Web Link
But what was she supposed to do when, Mary says, an Army coroner told her that he did not sign an initial casualty report that stated her son had been killed by enemy fire, because he knew the enemy at that distance wasn't skilled enough to send three bullets that close together through a man's forehead? How was she supposed to let go when so many lapses in judgment and standard procedure seemed to have occurred? How was she supposed to respond when she learned that the testimony of soldiers was changing, that culpability was vanishing, that Pat's uniform and body armor had been burned within three days of his death, that the initial investigator's report was buried and redone after he recommended that "certain leaders be investigated" for "gross negligence" in deciding to split the platoon and have it travel in daylight, and that two gunners be punished for gross negligence and loss of control. What was she supposed to think when she read one officer's conclusion that the Tillmans, "not being [Christian], I'm not really sure what they believe or how they can get their head around death. So, in my personal opinion, sir, that is why I don't think they'll ever be satisfied."
a resident of Los Altos Hills
on Jul 27, 2007 at 2:09 pm
I'm not surprised at all, unfortunately. I have believed after the first lie coming from the military via-avis the circumstances of his "accidental" death that Tillman was murdered. The military has and will lie about anything. Perpetual war is the goal here.
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Jul 27, 2007 at 2:15 pm
The three-star general who kept the truth about Tillman's death from his family and the public told investigators some 70 times that HE HAD A BAD MEMORY and couldn't recall details of his actions.
Spoken like a true Republican
a resident of Barron Park
on Jul 27, 2007 at 2:23 pm
The three holes are significant because the M16 has a three shot setting, so one American could have executed him at close range. With the information we now have, only an exceptionally irrational person or rabid partisan would still claim that Tillman's death could have been anything but deliberate mirder.
a resident of Southgate
on Jul 27, 2007 at 2:49 pm
More detail about Tillman's death from another article:
Web Link
The documents also shed new light on Tillman's last moments.
It has been widely reported by the AP and others that Spc. Bryan O'Neal, who was at Tillman's side as he was killed, told investigators that Tillman was waving his arms shouting "Cease fire, friendlies, I am Pat (expletive) Tillman, damn it!" again and again.
But the latest documents give a different account from a chaplain who debriefed the entire unit days after Tillman was killed.
The chaplain said that O'Neal told him he was hugging the ground at Tillman's side, "crying out to God, help us. And Tillman says to him, `Would you shut your (expletive) mouth? God's not going to help you; you need to do something for yourself, you sniveling ..."
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 27, 2007 at 3:47 pm
I have been very suspicious of this for some time and I wonder if all this is coming out just because he was famous. If he had been a nobody, this would never have come out.
However, I think that this cover up is nothing deeply political, just military covering up for itself. Too many personal arguments can be solved with a gun. If someone doesn't like someone else for any reason, from disagreement over an off duty soccer game (for want of a better sport) to a dispute over someone's property, a gun is too easy to solve a dispute. I know that killing someone is never the intention, but a bad day, a bad comment, a bad situation, who knows what goes through the mind of a bad tempered private.
I agree that something like this is rare, but it has never happened????
a resident of Barron Park
on Jul 27, 2007 at 5:37 pm
Sounds like the "stop sniveling" comment was part of the original story and was left in as the story morphed. Like J Green said, it contradicts the rest of it. As for not being well-liked in the unit, that may be - but how often does that lead to fragging among troops who are supposed to be among the most highly trained in the world? If that is what happened did the shooter(s) not understand how much spotlight would be turned on them, killing the poster boy? I'm deeply suspicious of this incident, especially considering Generals were willing to risk their careers to cover it up. If Pat Tillman came back and started talking, he would have a big microphone and the ear of all those potential recruits.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jul 27, 2007 at 5:45 pm
It is clear that Pat Tillman was murdered. However, knowing how vile and criminal the Bush cabal is, I would be shocked if this was "only" a case of fragging a soldier who got on a fellow soldier's nerves. I think those criminal terrorists were deadly afraid that their poster boy would go stateside and start dissing the Iraq invasion. It wouldn't have been that difficult to find a general loyal to the "Cause" who would find a soldier willing to do the killing, knowing he would be protected from prosecution, which is exactly what happened.
a resident of College Terrace
on Jul 27, 2007 at 6:09 pm
Bush is again trying to invoke the "executive privilege" cop-out clause in the Pat Tillman scandal. He and his lapdogs, especially serial liar and perjurer Alberto Gonzales obviously believe than stonewalling is the only thing that will save them from total collapse and impeachment. This time I have the feeling it might not work, and coincidently, "executive privilege" is unconstitutional and nothing more than a ruse by the executive branch to perpetuate criminal activity and escape the consequences.
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 27, 2007 at 6:12 pm
I really thought that I was beyond being shocked by political events - not so much that he may have been murdered, which is pretty obvious by now, but the total and obvious cover-up and the fact that this is still not the leading story in today's news.
I cannot see one general covering something this big on his own initiative. What kept everyone in the unit silent? Who silenced the doctors? Who silenced those who investigated?
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 27, 2007 at 7:35 pm
I don't know the distance between the teams, but a 3 shot burst might not have too much spread at close in distances. I find it hard to believe that a unit under fire would take the time to set up an execution and even less likely that someone with Tillman's training would let someone get the frontal drop on him. What I believe happened after a regretable friendly fire accident was a well intentioned but wrong attempt to spare feelings and avoid blame. I consider it reprehensible that liberals make use of this incident to slander better men then they. When you drag everything through the BDS funnel, the outcome is unrecognizable.
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 27, 2007 at 7:39 pm
Tillman wasn't just any soldier, he was THE poster boy for recruiting - the All-American who gives up a comfortable life for his country. Also remember when it happened this administration had almost unchecked power - their fantasies of a multi-front war were becoming reality, but successfully occupying newly vanquished foes was going to require a huge inflow of new recruits. If your poster boy starts quoting Chomsky and talking about how illegal it all is, well, all those bright-eyed kids back in Oklahoma just might listen.
a resident of Menlo Park
on Jul 27, 2007 at 7:44 pm
A triple-tap to the forehead sounds like a coup de grace to me. Weren't Tillman's uniform and flak vest destroyed after his death? I've never understood why that was done, but this new information suggests a possible answer: if the uniform and vest showed evidence of multiple, non-penetrating hits to the body, including rounds embedded in the armor, such damage would strongly suggest that Tillman was first knocked to the ground by "friendly" fire. Strong though he was, he'd have been hard-pressed to get up again. Knocked down, and probably not more than thirty feet from the shooter(s), it would quickly have become clear that he was no longer a threat, if not obviously a friendly. But, once the shooter(s) realized that they'd fired upon one of their own - and a high-profile, nationally famous comrade at that - panic at their error, compounded by the adrenaline rush and confusion of the preceding firefight, coupled with personal enmity, might have led to an impulsive act of murder: a three round burst from close range. If that's at all close to what really happened, then the destruction of the uniform and body armor was meant to hide evidence that Tillman was already down, injured and not a threat when he received the three bullets to the forehead. It may not have been a pre-meditated act of fratricide, but it may well have been an opportunistic murder.
Someone in his unit needs to start telling the honorable truth, now.
a resident of Barron Park
on Jul 27, 2007 at 7:48 pm
Walter, I differ with you on a couple points. Better men - not sure who you refer to, but it does seem like some of the higher ups may have trouble defending their better-ness (just as in other pretty bad regimes). And I might substitute "self-serving" for "well-intentioned" and like your summary better - I truly doubt that the perpetrators of the cover-up, from inception to today, have been focused much on sparing the Tilman family's feelings. I am no authority on the details here, but it's a pretty stinky situation and I would say that no one has covered themselves with glory.
a resident of College Terrace
on Jul 27, 2007 at 7:48 pm
The contempt the apologists for Bush's terrorist regime have for Pat Tillman, and those of us who believe the truth about his death should be exposed, is breathtaking. Their attempted excuses says a lot about their lack of love for their country. Remember, a citizens loyalty is to the Constitution, not the Commander in Chief, who for the last 6.5 years also happend to have been a criminal and a terrorist.
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 27, 2007 at 8:01 pm
Bush firmly inserted himself in this mess by claiming exec. priv. This means that if the truth about this obvious murder comes out, his administration if finished, his top goons go to jail and he is impeached, because this would be so dramatic:covering up the murder of a celebrity poster boy for US militarism who turned out to be an anti-war free thinking atheist. Until now I believed that this regime was a crime syndicate that would be able to hold tight and run out the clock, but now I think that they'll end up like John Gotti.
a resident of Atherton
on Jul 27, 2007 at 8:16 pm
I am apolitical and non-partisan. I don't look at this matter from any political perspective. Having said that, the probability that this is a case of friendly fire, based on the latest revelations, are astronomically slim to none. What remains to be determined is whether this was a local case of fragging or if this murder was ordered from above. The first thing that must be done is a total end to the executive privilege nonsense. Following that we must have a special prosecutor with absolute subpoena power. This is a bloody disaster and we must get to the bottom of it.
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 28, 2007 at 7:12 am
The better men I refer to are Tillman's buddies whom you KOsites have converted from trained and dedicated warriors to amoral toadies. I still want to know how the death of Tillman would have been any less of a loss to the family had the initial story been specifically correct. I am disgusted that Tillman's bloody shirt has become a banner of yet another cohort of the enemy.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 28, 2007 at 8:12 am
Did you all know that we have about 17,000 murders per year in the US? No more than 2/3rds of them are ever solved. I am sure the ones that aren't solved are cover ups by Bush.
If this WAS a murder, then out of a million military people, it wouldn't surprise me. The murder rate in the military is much lower than in the general population, but they are still humans. Especially if one or more of them believe that the person murdered was putting the whole unit in danger. No clue if this is the case, but if this WAS a murder by his unit, that would be the reason. However, I doubt it. It would be a stupid thing to do, and most guys in a unit are not fools.
Not defending murder at all, before you BDS sufferers gets started on my being a "Bush apologist". Just keeping perspective here.
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Jul 28, 2007 at 9:28 am
As a Vietnam Veteran I can tell you that it was murder. I heard on the news today that some high ranking official said that an automatic burst can place rounds that close together.
Anyone who was in the military knows that a weapon fired on automatic means hold trigger and bullets fire until trigger released. They also know that 650 rounds per minute is the rate of fire. That means that in one second, ten rounds are discharged.
On automatic, the kick of each round moves the rifle
to the right if you are right handed. And to the left if you are left handed. If you are Arnold Schwarzenegger in peak condition. You might be able to have a stitch pattern of 6 inches or more.
Then there is the odds factor. 1 bullet to the head conceivable. 2 bullets to head, we got some sharp snipers out there. 3 bullets to head- we got a whole bunch of snipers out there, and they can time there shots to within a second of each other.
Now the idea that there was a firefight of at least 7 guys firing automatic weapons. Putting out 70 rounds per second. And no equipment was hit?
As a Veteran who was in many firefights, not all of them involving the enemy, I know this Government is blowing smoke up everybody's you know what. And it happened in Vietnam. Remember My Lai?
a resident of Los Altos
on Jul 28, 2007 at 9:34 am
When Pat Tillman was killed, Sports Illustrated ran a lengthy article about him, his career, and his service. I'm a 61-year-old grandmother with an ever-deepening antipathy to pro sports, but I found myself reading the article with a growing sense that this man was fragged and that it was done to shut him up. He was a smart, dedicated citizen who hoped to someday go into public service. He also was becoming increasingly vociferous about his opinion that the war, especially in Iraq, was a huge mistake and, in his words, highly illegal. Someone of his stature could be expected to sway a lot of people. At this state of affairs vis-a-vis this administration's handling of (name anything), can we any longer profess shock at the idea that a) Pat Tillman was murdered to shut him up and use his death as a recruiting/sales ploy and that b) a long line of characters participated in the cover-up?
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 28, 2007 at 9:36 am
AND Bush has already "executive privilege" when asked for White House information about Pat Tillman. It doesn't matter if you are a Democratic, Republican or Independent. It doesn't matter if you support the invasion of Iraq or not. Despite our differences, as an American, the Constitution has stood for over two centuries as the defining document of our government, the final source to determine – in the end – if something is legal or right. Every federal official – including the President – who takes an oath of office swears to "uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States." WE MUST IMPEACH.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jul 28, 2007 at 9:49 am
Pat Tillman, the poster boy for the Bush/Neocon imperial militarism was going to complete his tour, return to the US and speak against the Iraq war. He is killed under highly suspicious circumstances in what is labeled "friendly fire". It turns out that evidence is burnet, witnesses change their version, a general lies and the official version makes no sense and keeps changing. Now Bush invokes executive privileg, aka 'I'm hiding the truth that if revealed would destroy me so you are never going to get it'. Only the real fanatical true believers who refuse to think don't realize that Tillman was murdered by this terrorist administration. Time to impeach, remove, convict, jail and send to the gas chamber. If we don't, our Republic won't survive.
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 28, 2007 at 1:17 pm
If you were the type to assassinate enemies, you wouldn't have to go to a battlefield to find suitables.
As or the burning of "evidence", is it not standard practice now to dispose of bloodsoaked material to prevent the spread of blood borne diseases?
I never fired a saw, not in existence in my time, so I have no idea whether the standard 3 shot burst had any spread, but I do know I never cared for the lighter peanut load, being a 30-06 fan. I will check with my grandson who did carry a saw about its capability.
a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
on Jul 28, 2007 at 5:07 pm
Yes, I think you are all right. Bush did kill Pat Tillman. Of course a few years ago, we discovered that Clinton killed Vince Foster.
Now excuse me while I adjust my tin foil hat.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 28, 2007 at 5:28 pm
I am a Republican and yet always thought that whole Vince murder thing was absurd. It is still going around that, since Clinton had the most number of "accidental" deaths of people who worked for him and of friends that the vast Clinton power executed people. Cracked me up then, just like your comment, Carney, cracks me up now.
If Bush were going to murder every anti-war Iraq war vet, we would have an amazing number of newly dead military!
Come on guys!
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Jul 28, 2007 at 6:46 pm
Pat Tillman wasn't an ordinary anti Iraq invasion vet. He was THE poster boy for the Bush/Cheney militarism. What the regime hadn't realized, was that the man was anything but a conservative. he was a bright, indpendent, well read atheist who was fiercely against the Iraq illegal war and was going to become a very local critic of that war once his tour was up. Add that to the massive cover-up, frequent lies and changing stories of those involved in his death, the new information that he was shot from close range and you'd have to be extremely naive or a Bush/Cheney true believer to oppose a special prosecutor. The Tillman family demands that Bush stop using the imaginary "executive privilege" to stall the truth from coming out. The truth regarding the real circumstances of his death don't belong to the felonious Bush/Cheney regime, they belong to the American people and we will not allow those criminals get away with hiding it.
a resident of Barron Park
on Jul 28, 2007 at 7:06 pm
LMAO, I tend to agree, it seems pretty far-fetched. On the other hand, the whole notion of CREEP, the Plumbers, the Rosemary Woods tape, John Mitchell, and Nixon's coverup seems almost incomprehensible even almost 40 years later (esp since they were going to win in a landslide anyway).
The Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld outfit has been a pretty extreme bunch (more like the Nixon administration than, say, Bush I). So did Bush order a hit on Tillman? Seems unlikely, anymore than Nixon ordering Watergate. Could somebody in the administration have set something in motion that resulted in Tillman's death, followed by a wide-scale coverup? Again, I'd say the odds are against it, but, per the above example, at least as strange things have happened within our lifetimes.
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 28, 2007 at 7:18 pm
I anticipate your mention of another attempt of Bush/Cheney/Rove to silence, or even answer back to critics.
If there is one flaw in the Bush administration it has been their reluctance to respond to criticism, even to the detriment of troop morale.
I must admit to astonishment to the Troother contributors to this forum. I expect better from a university town.
a resident of Barron Park
on Jul 28, 2007 at 7:24 pm
Walter, you seem to me to have a little of a blind spot on this one - "if there is one flaw in the Bush administration" - if?? I'm not sure how history will judge them, but I expect that they will have some serious flaws.
a resident of College Terrace
on Jul 28, 2007 at 9:30 pm
The odds are not against someone in the Bush/Cheney crime syndicate setting in motion a hit on Pat Tillman. The odds are very great that any other scenario is very unlikely. One of the main basic faults of the US public is that it's extremely naive pliable. It is easily fooled and has an intrinsic belief that a person who was elected president is incapable of committing evil murderous acts. For all the talk of the American public mistrust of government, most actually have blind faith in the presidency. That blind faith has allowed Bush/Cheney/neocons to get away with shameless and horrific crimes and with the dismantling of our democracy. The fact that Bush has invoked executive privilege on so many occasions, including the Tillman death, should signal something to even the most ignorant, naive and pliable among us.
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 28, 2007 at 9:45 pm
Tillman's mother, Mary Tillman, who has long suggested that her son was deliberately killed by his comrades, said she is still looking for answers and looks forward to the congressional hearings next week.
"Nothing is going to bring Pat back. It's about justice for Pat and justice for other soldiers. The nation has been deceived," she said.
The documents show that a doctor who autopsied Tillman's body was suspicious of the three gunshot wounds to the forehead. The doctor said he took the unusual step of calling the Army's Human Resources Command and was rebuffed. He then asked an official at the Army's Criminal Investigation Division if the CID would consider opening a criminal case.
"He said he talked to his higher headquarters and they had said no," the doctor testified.
Also according to the documents, investigators pressed officers and soldiers on a question Mrs. Tillman has been asking all along.
"Have you, at any time since this incident occurred back on April 22, 2004, have you ever received any information even rumor that Cpl. Tillman was killed by anybody within his own unit intentionally?" an investigator asked then-Capt. Richard Scott.
Scott, and others who were asked, said they were certain the shooting was accidental.
Investigators also asked soldiers and commanders whether Tillman was disliked, whether anyone was jealous of his celebrity, or if he was considered arrogant. They said Tillman was respected, admired and well-liked.
The documents also shed new light on Tillman's last moments.
It has been widely reported by the AP and others that Spc. Bryan O'Neal, who was at Tillman's side as he was killed, told investigators that Tillman was waving his arms shouting "Cease fire, friendlies, I am Pat (expletive) Tillman, damn it!" again and again.
But the latest documents give a different account from a chaplain who debriefed the entire unit days after Tillman was killed.
The chaplain said that O'Neal told him he was hugging the ground at Tillman's side, "crying out to God, help us. And Tillman says to him, `Would you shut your (expletive) mouth? God's not going to help you; you need to do something for yourself, you sniveling ..."
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 29, 2007 at 6:16 am
There must be an antithesis to Ocam's razor to describe the Daily KOs/Troother attitude that discards all but the most unlikely explanations until they hit on something that reinforces their monomaniac Bushatred.
Having been in a fire fight or so I am not surprised that the descriptions given over time vary in detail. At those times your mind is elsewhere, wonderfully concentrated on survival..
As I mentioned before, the administration has weathered criticisms before with less response than I would have prefered, so any suggestion that they would order a hit just to eliminate one potential opposition when they go out of their way to ingratiate with their political enemies is fatuous.
a resident of Barron Park
on Jul 29, 2007 at 8:16 am
What about the idea that a soon-to-be Attorney General would supervise the break-in to the political opposition HQ (during the leadup to a landslide) and then the President would participate in a large-scale cover-up, including erasing subpeona'ed evidence? Fatuous? I'd agree if it hadn't happened. I wouldn't go too far out on a limb for these guys, Walter. Absolute power does corrupt, unfortunately.
a resident of Professorville
on Jul 29, 2007 at 8:34 am
It's clear that the Clintons had Vince Foster killed. I don't care about the investigations that were done. Bill and Hillary are quite capable of obtaining the services of a professional assasin, one that would make it look like suicide. The Juanita Broaddrick scandal was about to break wide open, and Foster had all the dirt. He couldn't be left alive, in case he decided to spill the beans that Bill Clinton was a rpaist.
A similar type of assasin could have entered the army, volunteered for the Rangers, got himself assigned with Tillman (through Bush connections), then, when the opportunity presented itself, used the fog of war to make the hit.
People who reject conspiracies out of hand, will get clobbered by reality.
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 29, 2007 at 8:39 am
When you check Watergate, check Dick Tuck.
Routine foolaround was, for one moment, depicted as the end of the world as we know it.
Nixon's failure to tell the congress to stick it on the tapes was a big mistake. There is a real reason for executive privelege.
If Judge Sirica is your idea of justice no wonder you disagree with me - Sirica was a judicial Nifong.
At any rate, if Bush wanted someone dead for political reasons do you lack the wit to imagine a whole lot more folk more likely than Tillman? Ocam needs a shave.
a resident of Barron Park
on Jul 29, 2007 at 8:55 am
Walter, sorry to trot out Watergate again, but Nixon sure didn't need the break-in or the Plumbers to win the election, but Mitchell (the future "law-and-order" Attorney General) did it anyway. People do irrational things, especially when convinced their ends are right.
As I said before, the scenario isn't Bush ordering a hit; it is an over-zealous functionary somewhere down the chain (hard to imagine?) getting carried away, and then of course the cover-up. I agree it is not likely, but I would not rule it out, esp with a group that has tended to think that it has a mission to achieve (including the wars).
FWIW, I would not agree Nixon's biggest mistake was handing over the tapes. I hope you are not defending Nixon, he is sadly a dark blot on the history of the US Presidency and, despite some good, did much to weaken a nation.
a resident of Stanford
on Jul 29, 2007 at 9:23 am
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a resident of College Terrace
on Jul 29, 2007 at 10:08 am
I will said again:the most tragic mistake decent and sane Americans have committed was in perceiving the Bush/Cheney regime and Al Qaeda as separate entities.
a resident of College Terrace
on Jul 29, 2007 at 11:35 am
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a resident of Stanford
on Jul 29, 2007 at 12:03 pm
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a resident of Stanford
on Jul 29, 2007 at 1:12 pm
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a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 29, 2007 at 4:04 pm
So, what are all you people doing to ensure that we have a fair election this time around? If you believe at all that Pat Tillman's death had any political element to it, then stop arguing about it and do something -- make sure we never let any more self-serving, vindictive frat boy chicken hawks thwart democracy and take over the country again with hardly a peep from the meek masses.
a resident of College Terrace
on Jul 29, 2007 at 4:09 pm
Generally I find the mentality of fing conspiracy behind just about any event to be idiotic as well as paranoid. Having said that, the more information trickles out about 9/11, the more puzzled I become.The vehement refusal of Bush/Cheney/Rice to even listen to their anti-terror professionals. The numerous clues that something of that nature was about to take place, ignored by everybody in the political chain of command. It seems like the hijackers had been practically broadcasting their plans, yet no one in the political chain of command seemed interested at the least. The rush to get the Bin-Laden family members out of the country on a charter on 9/12,the only plane allowed to fly on that day while refusing to allow the FBI any access to them. Having Bin-Laden trapped and cornered in Tora Bora, with the CIA field agent begging for 400 rangers to finish off the job. The reply from the Pentagon:no US troops to help capture him, don't ask for them again. ???
a resident of College Terrace
on Jul 29, 2007 at 4:09 pm
I don't think that Tillman's death had a political component to it. After his death, it was, indeed, a political event, as your post proves. Thus, I don't need to take your challenge. Why do you insist that his actual death, in the field, was political?
a resident of College Terrace
on Jul 29, 2007 at 4:17 pm
Clinton had some chances to kill Bin-Laden. He refused. That fact doesn't tell me anything. I do not believe that Clinton wanted Al-Queda to attack the USA. Clinton was weak, in terms of military power, but he was pro-USA.
Your argument makes no sense.
We got sucker punched on 9/11. Bush was as weak as Cllinton, initially, but he reponded and got it mostly right.
Deko, there are rational answers to all your questions, regarding 9/11. Use Google...you will find them. This is all too tiresome.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 29, 2007 at 5:02 pm
Pat Tillman's death somehow prompted by those who didn't want him to publicize what was going on over there? Come on.
Next you'll be claiming that higher ups in the administration jeopardized an important and expensive intelligence operation in the Middle East by outing a CIA operative, also putting the CIA operative and other intelligence personnel in danger, merely to intimidate the operative's spouse for pubicly criticizing the war. Oh brother, who would believe that?
a resident of College Terrace
on Jul 29, 2007 at 5:15 pm
"Next you'll be claiming that higher ups in the administration jeopardized an important and expensive intelligence operation in the Middle East by outing a CIA operative, also putting the CIA operative and other intelligence personnel in danger"
Wasn't that Richard Armitage, a holdover from the Clinton administration?
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 29, 2007 at 5:51 pm
Fred, I am not sticking up for Nixon, I am sticking up for justice. Nixon got a hosing that would not have been possible except for a hanging judge who under the canons should have recused himself and joined the prosecution.
Doctor Froggy, all of your questions have been answered by experts in the respective fields to the satisfaction of anyone not blinded by hatred. As a journeyman combat infantryman and a professional engineer I know enough about those two fields to know your criticism in those areas are not just baseless, but ludicrous. For the rest, I assume that your ignorance in those fields where I posess expertise is probably equal in the fields where I do not.
I would advise everyone to save this set, because monday morning it may all go down the memory hole.
a resident of College Terrace
on Jul 29, 2007 at 5:51 pm
"Use Google, you'll find them"? the typical answer by the pliable, naive American, dumbed down by the meainstream media who just cannot believe that his government is capable of being evil. Actually, no Google search would bring answers to those questions. I haven't found even one answer to the questions I raised which would satisfy a 3 year old. There's no proof at all that Bush/Cheney didn't know about the attack, but there's plenty of irrefutable proof that they didn't want to hear about it before 9/11. There's no acceptable explanation to the failure to capture Bin-Laden in Tora Bora or to the mad rush to get his family out of the country on 9/12. Tillman was murdered, no doubt about it, the only question is whether the hit was ordered from above or not. And the next idiot who will again bring Clinton into this- the permanent and perpetual excuse for all the right wing's crime and corruption-Clinton did this and Clinton didn't do that, will be strangled by me personally.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 29, 2007 at 6:05 pm
""Next you'll be claiming that higher ups in the administration jeopardized an important and expensive intelligence operation in the Middle East by outing a CIA operative, also putting the CIA operative and other intelligence personnel in danger"
Wasn't that Richard Armitage, a holdover from the Clinton administration?"
That's the question of the moment, isn't it, who ordered the outing? Or perhaps not the question, since we don't hold this administration accountable for anything.
Are you suggesting that anyone who can't tell the difference between GWB and Clinton is somehow must have instigated this treasonous vendetta of his own accord? Or that perhaps the Bush Administration never applies political litmus tests or makes hiring and firing decisions for political reasons, thus a treasonous holdover in the ranks?
a resident of Barron Park
on Jul 29, 2007 at 6:14 pm
Walter, I am glad you are not sticking up for Nixon. I am not in a great position to judge Sirica, but I would not say that Nixon got a hosing. I'm sure the process wasn't perfect - most political/judicial processes aren't - but on the scales of justice, I would say America got the hosing and Nixon got off somewhat easy. He was a bad egg.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jul 29, 2007 at 7:20 pm
The same folks who are just so absolutely certain that Bush/Cheney had nothing to do with 9/11 or that Pat Tillman wasn't murdered were absolutely certain that Iraq had WMD and that we just had to invade Iraq because the next cloud over NYC will be a mushroom cloud. They just have blind faith in the government, even when that government turns out to be evil and utterly corrupt like the present administration. I have no doubt that Bush didn't plan it(too stupid and incompetent), but I wouldn't be shocked if CVheney figured it out and thought it would be a great excuse to create the imperial unitary presidency he so desired. The goofball we watched sitting frozen in that Florida classroom for 8 minutes, having no clue what to say or do is the Shrub we all know:clueless and lost without his daddy or one of his lackey sociopaths holding his hand and telling him what to do.
a resident of Barron Park
on Jul 29, 2007 at 8:42 pm
Walter, I tend to agree that perversions of justice are not good. Though I don't recall many at the time having feeling as you do about Sirica, though he was an undistinguished judge prior to Watergate. Of course, Nixon, Agnew, Haldeman, Erlichman, Mitchell (the list goes on) were all in fact criminals, so I'm not sure that focusing on Sirica actually gets to the main point of what happened.
a resident of Barron Park
on Jul 29, 2007 at 10:33 pm
FBI site for OBL:
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a resident of Midtown
on Jul 29, 2007 at 11:21 pm
Here's a good one:
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a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 31, 2007 at 5:16 pm
Back on topic, Rumsfield has refused to testify to Waxman's committee about the Tillman case and Fielding has invoked executive privilege to avoid providing documents to the committee. No coverup?
Web Link
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 31, 2007 at 9:36 pm
Anyone an file criminal comlaint. If you are certain someone executed Tillman, file charges. If in return you get your pants scorched, what the heck.
a resident of another community
on Aug 1, 2007 at 1:56 pm
Testimony does not always equal truth. Didn't somebody once testify "I did not have sex with that woman"?
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 1, 2007 at 9:46 pm
Let's see the email and other documents. Or maybe it was part of the 150,000+ email messages "lost" by the RNC.
Waxman was unable to server the subpoena on the designated fall guy, Lt. General Kensinger. If there is nothing to hide, then there shouldn't be any problem releasing the documents and producing General Kensinger.
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 2, 2007 at 3:17 pm
The RNC E-Mails were by law seperate from government business. When a republican staffer was inadvertantly allowed access to the democrat political E-Mail the fit hit the shan. I don't believe there was any more of a legal requirement that party communications be saved than a requirement that all phone calls by all republicans be recorded and handed to democrats.
Remarkable the lust to protect the sececy of Al Qaida communications but deny secrecy to republican party deliberations.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 2, 2007 at 8:39 pm
If the RNC email were ONLY non-government business, it wouldn't be an issue. The Hatch Act, remember it, prohibits using gov't property for political purposes. However, the RNC email servers were used to avoid archiving Official Records. You knew exactly what 150,000+ email messages I meant yet you sought to obscure the issue.
Let DoD and the White House produce the official documents pertaining to the Tillman case. They have them and unless they directly affect the president, they do not involve executive privilege. The Congressional committee has already determined that General Myers knew of the investigation of friendly fire a full month before the information was disclosed but did not mention it at the funeral.
If there is nothing to hide, why withhold the records.
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Lucca Apartment with Bicycles
Size50 m²
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- Air conditioning
- Washer/dryer
- Parking available
- Suitable for events
- Towels
- Family/child friendly
Accommodation summary
|Via Quarquonia, 55100 Lucca, Italy
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The FLAT consists of 50 square meters with large living room, with a kitchenette and dining area, a bedroom, a small studio with bed for adult or two children, and a bathroom with shower, nice finish, luminossissimo with views on three sides, with air conditioning and everything you need to use it.
This free WIFI connection to w.eb network with traffic limited to 100 MB or 750 MB daily weekly
Car parking at 50 meters, covered and not, free discovered 300 mt.
The price includes consumption, use of air conditioner, linen, and final cleaning for daily rentals with a minimum of 3 days. It remains excluded the use of heating if used, which together will check the consumption for the cost of 1 € for MC of gas consumed.
Included in the price, on request, I put two free loan bicycles to get around the city and surroundings.
The apartment is in a building in the historic center on the third floor, with views on the roofs of neighboring houses. The scale of access, although short ca. 35 steps with three landings interposed, has a slope supported.
House rulesA €100 security deposit is required.
And 'it required by the city of Lucca tourist tax of € 1.50 days to be paid on departure.
DISCOUNT!!! on requests for stays of 7 nights or greater, to be requested in advance by email.
|Price for > 2 guests
|$ 24 CA per guest/night extra
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Reviews of this property
Roberto's apartment was beautiful. The decor was warm and inviting, with many special touches.
The bicycles he loaned us were also a great treat, allowing us to ride around on the city walls during our stay--which was not only very enjoyable but also provided us with some welcome exercise.
And Roberto was very kind and helpful. In fact, the morning we left Lucca, he drove us to the railroad station. He has great respect and affection for his city and was happy to spend time answering our questions. For those who read English, his apartment has a wonderful book that discusses the rich history of the town. We'll remember the time we spent in Lucca very fondly.
Thank you, Roberto.
The apartment was very nice and comfortable for our one week stay. The apartment is in a quiet location with a short walk to the center and just steps from the wall. Our host couldn't have been more accommodating with a welcome basket in the apartment and a ride to the train station during a wild thunderstorm.
We will definitely return to Lucca and even try to stay in this apartment again. Even with the long steep staircase.
The only downside to this great apartment is the lack of wifi but that is the only thing we would change. It still gets 5 stars.
5 fantastic days in Lucca in a nice modern apartment with just the right location within the wall at the quiet end of town, but close to it all
Highly recommended
The host Roberto was very helpful
Paul and Louise
Kerteminde DK
5 fantastiske dage i Lucca i en lækker moderne lejlighed med den helt rigtige beliggenhed inden for muren i den stille ende af byen,men dog tæt på det hele
Kan varmt anbefales
Værten Roberto var meget hjælpsom
Poul og Louise
Kerteminde DK
It is a dream apartment in the heart of Lucca. Very tastefully and lovingly decorated, a place to relax. Although situated in the city, it is very quiet around the apartment. With the bikes that you can borrow at Roberto, you can explore the whole town very well. But other attractions in the area such as Florence or Pisa can achieve very good of Lucca by car. Roberto is a very nice and obliging host who even kept ready a small gift for us. We will come back!
Es ist eine Traumwohnung im Herzen von Lucca. Sehr geschmackvoll und liebevoll eingerichtet, ein Ort zum Wohlfühlen. Obwohl mitten in der Stadt gelegen, ist es um die Wohnung herum sehr ruhig. Mit den Fahrrädern, die man bei Roberto leihen kann, kann man das ganze Städtchen sehr gut erkunden. Aber auch andere Ausflugsziele in der Umgebung wie z.B. Florenz oder Pisa können von Lucca aus sehr gut mit dem Auto erreichen.
Roberto ist ein sehr netter und zuvorkommender Gastgeber, der für uns sogar ein kleines Gastgeschenk bereit hielt. Wir kommen gerne wieder!
We stayed for 5 nights late July to beginning of August 2013 and enjoyed our stay very much. The apartment is located in a nice area with no, or only little, noise. It is nicely furnished with all basic equipment, but most important it was clean clean and cool due to the aircondition. All in all the apartment is good value for money. Roberto is an excellent host - very helpful, kind and honest. We can certainly recommend this apartment.
Siamo due danesi dovevamo andare ad un concerto con Neil Young a Lucca. Abbiamo trascorso 5 giorni in appartamento di Roberto situato in posizione centrale. L'appartamento è bellissimo, con bei mobili e belle cose da guardare. C'è tutto quello che serve per esempio anche shampoo, carta igienica, ecc
C'è una lavanderia nelle vicinanze, così siamo andati a casa con i vestiti puliti in valigia.
Ci sono ristoranti nelle vicinanze.
Abbiamo anche affittato due biciclette di Roberto. E 'bello bicicletta intorno al muro e poi andare in città in luoghi diversi. C'è molto da vedere che si ottiene una panoramica della bicicletta in giro. Ci sono 10 minuti dalla stazione degli autobus ea 10 minuti dalla stazione, da dove si può andare in altre città.
Roberto e molto piacevole.
Il concerto di Neil Young è stato fantastico.
Tanti saluti John e Henriette
Hello Roberto
Thank you very much for a nice holiday in your beautiful apartment in Lucca. In addition, many thanks for your willingness and friendlyness.
Have a very nice summer;o)
Greetings from John and Henriette
We are two Danes who were going to a concert with Neil Young in Lucca. We spent 5 days in Robertos centrally located apartment . The apartment is beautiful, with nice furniture and nice things to look at. There is everything you need for example also shampoo, toilet paper, etc.
There is a laundry nearby, so we went home with clean clothes in your suitcase.
There are restaurants nearby.
We also rented two bicycles of Roberto. It 'nice to cycle around the wall and then go to the city in different places. There is much to see that you get an overview of the bike around. We are 10 minutes from the bus station and 10 minutes from the station, from where you can go to other cities.
Roberto is very pleasant and very helpfull. It was a big pleasure meeting with him.
The Neil Young concert was fantastic.
Greetings John and Henriette
Fantastic! Roberto is very courteous, kind and helpful. The apartment is delightful on the top floor of the building overlooking the stunning rooftops of lucca. It had everything we needed. Bikes are a must and Roberto,s offer on bikes is great value for money. If ever I return I will definitely stay here again.
For some reason the site wouldn't let me punch in 5 stars but I definitely give it 5
Roberto, the owner, is a very helpful, welcoming and helpful with any requests or queries. Apartment very comfortable, well furnished and highly equipped. Extremely suitable to enjoy the holiday with family and is situated in an ideal location with respect to the walls and from the center. Five stars for the availability of the owner, for the location and the decor, I strongly recommend
Roberto,il proprietario,è una persona molto disponibile,accogliente e servizievole per qualsiasi richiesta e informazione. Appartamento molto confortevole,ben arredato e fortemente attrezzato. Estremamente adatto per godersi la vacanza in coppia e si trova in una posizione ideale sia rispetto alle mura sia rispetto al centro. Cinque stelle per la disponibilità del proprietario,per la posizione e per l'arredamento,lo consigliamo fortemente
The apartment and its location are unquestionably five stars. The apartment is quite spacious (compared to an average hotel room) nicely furnished and comfortable, with a dining area, fully-equiped kitchen and laundry facilities,. It's just inside the city walls which means you are only a few minutes walk away from the centre of beautiful Lucca and on the other side of the wall, from free parking. (Roberto has maps showing all this.) It's an excellent base from which to set out around Tuscany on day trips too. And all at an affordable price.
I can't give it five stars, however, because of the failure to mention that the apartment sits atop a flight of 40 very steep, very narrow stairs. Additionally, the check-out time of 8-9am was a tad too early but then turned out to be unnecessary: clarify with Roberto the difference between when you need to meet him to return the keys and get your €100 deposit back, and when you actually need to depart the place. He lives outside of town so you'll need to arrange your arrival time in advance (which we failed to do - sorry again, Roberto.)Be advised too that when you arrive, you need to sign a temporary rental contract. Those caveats aside, the place is great.
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text: Artists Inspiration:Andras Balogh is a furniture designer who has devised an eco-friendly cardboard furniture system, which is now patented worldwide. The patent, a storage system with high level of freedom, refers to the technology of folding and assembling the cardboard into durable lightweight furniture for multiple functions. He started his career as a cabinet maker, then went on to get a degree in philosophy and sociology. Out of his interest in social issues and love for his craft sprung the idea of a cardboard furniture system that combines the contemporary beauty of recyclable material with the evergreen charm of individual creativity. The Kartonart Archeo furniture were inspired by ancient clay pots restored with new clay distinguished from the original old fragments. The once glorious old furniture that are beyond repair find new life by being completed with cardboard. Each Archeo piece is unique. These furniture evoke the atmosphere of good old times, yet give the feel of contemporary eco-design to make you comfortable in the passage between past and future.


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text: I am a fairly new beek 6 hive so far this year. I have read several books, but am more of a visual learner. From the forum I have gained consideral theory about processes that would acomplish my goals but lack the knowledge to perform tasks with confidence. I would like to propose a new section maybe even a pictorial section on "how to" perform tasks. For example the combining new hives with newspaper. Sounds simple and maybe I'm reading too much in it but do the top bees have an outlet to the outside, how many sheets of newspaper, which goes on top weak or strong colony. Even the proper way to split a hive. There are many things on youtube but there is no one to correct or disspute the information. This section could be a referal for people that know what needs to be done but don't know how to do it. I'm sure with the talent of the people here someone will take the ball and run with it. Thankyou Doeboy


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It's coming up sevens weekend in Wellington, which can mean only one thing: time to get inebriated and enjoy the abbreviated form of the national game.
The giant alcohol-fuelled costume party that is the Wellington sevens seems to be a rite of passage for every young New Zealander.
But there is the sense over the past couple of years that it has moved beyond the point of people just having a good time. The tournament has become an ugly advertisement for everything that is wrong with New Zealand's drinking culture.
Anyone who has been to the Wellington tournament will have stories of highly intoxicated men and women passed out in and around the stadium, the concourse awash with vomit, the drunken louts who attempt to demonstrate that they can tackle harder than the players on the field. I have a friend who tells a story of going to the toilet only to find Donald Duck getting amorous with Daisy Duck. It's certainly not an atmosphere you'd want to bring young Huey, Dewey and Louie into.
The IRB is said to have been highly unimpressed with the behaviour of the crowd last year, with media stories of arrests, alcohol-related injuries, and upset patrons overshadowing action on the field.
Given the tournament, with sell-out crowds every year, does a good job of lining the IRB's coffers, there's no danger of Wellington losing it at this point, but organisers are under pressure to shift the emphasis from the party in the stands back to the rugby.
It comes at a time when there is a big push within rugby for sevens to be viewed as a serious sport in itself, and not just an exhibition game.
Its inclusion in the Olympic programme for Rio de Janeiro has elevated the sport to one of premier standing. Suddenly countries are piling big money into their sevens programmes - for both men and women - and many of the teams taking the field in Wellington will be made up of fulltime professional athletes, training in specialised Olympic facilities.
Sevens rugby has become a career path in itself, not just a stepping stone to a professional contract, or a consolation prize if you miss out on one.
The problem is the sevens tournament has long been marketed as a weekend-long party, rather than a highly competitive sporting event. While the players have been quick to adjust to the new environment as they begin their campaign for gold in 2016, it will take longer for the fans to catch on.
The sevens should be a fun and festive occasion - indeed that was part of the appeal when the IOC included it in the Games - and there is nothing wrong with having a few (note few) drinks to add to the party atmosphere. But the time has come to turn the focus back on the athletes on the field rather than the sideshow in the stands.
No one is trying to play the fun police here - come to think of it, that would be a cracker idea for a costume though.


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Ok, this is a long story but I felt compelled to share so that others don't make my same mistakes. Now, I've read enough, and I think learned enough to know all that went wrong, but as is typical, did a lot of it anyway, either because I was hurried, or stubborn, or both.
So first things first: I started off grafting queens. The first round of grafts didn't take at all, not one. Upon review I found that my screen box below the starter colony had a few leaks, and since it was right next door to the mother colony, they just abandoned the grafts. The starter box wasn't completely empty and the bees had started pulling a few emergency cells on the brood comb I had placed in there with them. So I fixed the box, and grafted again two days later. But not before I rolled my German grafting tool up in the newspaper from the first attempt and threw it away! I hammered out a copper wire to make my own grafting tool which actually worked pretty well, and this time I got about 30% take on the queen cells. I noted that there were clusters of cells that took, and then long gaps in the frame. I also noted a lot of dead bees in the bottom of the screen box. I suspect the box got too hot which killed some bees, which led to a lack of coverage so large areas of cells didn't get built.
Now with the grafts growing, I looked to set up my queenless splits for mating nucs. I didn't have time to build enough nuc boxes, so I defaulted to a bunch of corrugated plastic nuc boxes (Jester Bee). These things aren't exactly designed for repetitive use and several of them had holes or seams that were tearing out.
On setting up the mating nucs, I placed a frame of capped brood, a frame of honey, a frame of honey/pollen/brood, and an empty frame with foundation to keep them occupied. Lastly I put in a frame feeder and of course a caged queen cell. Then I shook in several more frames of bees to get good coverage. Now, with the mating nucs sealed up (but with good ventilation) I moved them 100' across the yard and into the shady area so they wouldn't get overheated while sealed up for 24 hours. This was two days before the queens were slated to hatch (Friday, and due on Sunday).
The next day I went around and opened all the entrances. Right away I could tell which nucs were the strongest by how the bees either came out or didn't. I waited another 24 hours (so now Sunday) and then went back and check in on the nucs to see who had hatched and who hadn't. I had two queen already out, and all the cells that hadn't hatched yet, I went ahead and removed them from the cage so they could hatch out freely. At this point I already had a few that were low on population and starting to get slimed by SHB. I removed all slimy frames on these hives and left them with only a bare foundation frame and a frame feeder full of sugar water. These feeders BTW are not my favorite! They were almost all full of dead bees, despite the textured sides that are supposed to let bees crawl out.
Two days later now (Tuesday) I made the rounds again. Every queen cell had hatched which is great! But 6/8 of the mating nucs I set up were slimed out, and I didn't spot the virgin queen in any of them. I also discovered another small hive that was a swarm I caught a month or so ago, that was doing great a week ago, and now it was absconded and also slimed! What's odd, is that the two mating nucs that appeared the strongest to begin, stayed the strongest, even though one of them had all sorts of holes in the box and could have easily went back to it's donor colony but didn't. They were also sitting side by side, and facing north, if anyone is superstitious. The ones that got slimed were facing east, south, and west respectively.
So, heartbroke and a little T'd off, especially after finding the collateral damage (the swarm slimed out) I went to check and see what queens I had left. I had 5 queen cells in cages that had been left in the finisher colony. All had hatched. 4/5 were dead in the cage. The last time I grafted, which was back in June, I had about a dozen cage queen cells that I left in the starter colony to hatch out. They all survived in the cages for nearly two weeks before I took them out and offed them just because I couldn't find enough bees to make splits for them. At the time I was grafting just to learn the art, shame I wasted all those queens.
Now I'm scrambling, wondering if I have enough time and drones to graft once more, and wondering if I even have enough bees in any of my hives to make more splits. I don't know just yet how many of the bees went back to their donor colonies and how many of them are drowned in the feeders. All in all it was a disaster, and a truly humbling experience. I hope some others can learn from this story, and hope I never, never, NEVER, have to deal with this again! I won't sleep well tonight, this sort of stuff gives me bad dreams!


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Lots of police at Stanford Mall today, anyone know why?
Original post made by palo alto parent, Embarcadero Oaks/Leland, on Apr 27, 2013
Palo Alto Police, Stanford Sheriff and the mall security were all gathered in a parking lot near El Camino, there were 6 or 7 squad cars, any idea what happened?
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I remember reading something about Palo Alto police and Menlo Park police getting together to do TV movies about gang activity. My concern is that to do documentaries for TV show, police department maybe instigating vulnerable people to snap off? Something is not right here. Why doesn't the police department speak up? What is going on?


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just wondered what you do after the Almond (gold rush) ? do you travel to other areas to pollinate or is the almonds enough to do you for the year?
just wondered what you do after the Almond (gold rush) ? do you travel to other areas to pollinate or is the almonds enough to do you for the year?
If you live in CA, you go to a honey flow. If you are from out of state, I wish that you go back home.
JJG I'll second that
Try to make a living
From almonds we go back to Florida for Orange9if we get back soon enough)then Tupelo and from there back home to Ky for honey. 400 colonies go from florida to wisconsin for cranberries then honey followed by coming back to Ky for fall crop. All are returned to Florida around Dec 1 to start all over again!
According to these people, I'm a commercial beekeeper, just barely.
Some do make a little bit of honey in CA, but it's not easy. And there are some other interesting facts about beekeeping in the US
Not all the out of staters go on to other pollination. Some, like us, do the almond thing then back to the home state for honey production. There are some that leave California then go to Texas to do their splits and make queens then up north, (Dakotas, MN, WI) for honey, then take their colonies back to TX in the fall to stage for CA. Some go right out to CA early winter.
We send ours out to CA in the Fall before (hopefully) the weather gets bad; like to have them outta here by November 1, and then ship them back between April 15 & May 1.
Gregg Stewart
Yep...what Gregg said.
We pull out and head to other pollination in the northwest with part of the operation. Some come back home and we start making splits and requeening.
We try to be out of CA by the first of april. It can get pretty ugly down there after the bloom with lots of bees and very little forage.


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Hi Folks,
I finally got around to removing the intake today with the intention of re-sealing the rear china wall with Ultra Black RTV (as suggested on this site.)
The first surprise was seening crud in the thermo housing, on the thermo, and gelled antifreeze under the thermo on the floor of the water passage inside the manifold.
It got worse when the (RPM Air Gap) manifold came off. The driver's side rear water passage was nearly plugged with technicolor goo. (Yuck)
I plan to fix this situation by refilling with tap water and GUNK rad flush ... and then refilling with 50/50 premix. It just had to be a chemical reaction with tap water, right?
Block was dipped, the rad is brand new ... everything is (was) brand new, with only hours -- not years -- of run time. Yes, the engine has sat idle for a couple of years now. I discovered that the t'stat housing was actually corroded to the point of perforation, but then again it's made from genuine Taiwanisium. Any recommendations for a GOOD new one?
I have reordered a FelPro Performance Intake Gasket Set (#1210) also at the advice of the membership here. The gaskets pictured in my journal are Felpro MS90240-2 which would have been stock on this engine.
Now on to the subject of this thread:
Some of you may recall that I have experienced the scrubbed cam lobe on the initial startup on the original cam. We're now on cam #2, and I MAY be paranoid ... but I don't like the look of the lobes considering this NEW cam has just break-in and occasional "show and tell" sessions on it.
More pics and story in my latest journal entries. (#73, 74, 75)
Looks good.....
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Since there is only a pencil-point of contact between the lobe and the lifter, the width of the wear marks shows you how far back and forth the cam moves in the block.
From what is shown, it looks like normal wear patterns to me. If the wear on the lifters looks circular and NOT a line across the face, then the lifters are rotating and all should be OK.
The crud in the water passages could be from the water pump being over lubricated (is it grease?) or from something being left in the block, but I have never seen a reaction between potable tap water and antifreeze look like that!
I'm not a fan of antifreeze diluted with water. But if you must follow instructions than use either distilled or de-ionized water. All tap water carries dissolved chemicals picked up from the soil and rock it passed through and/or added for taste, anti-bacterial or dental health by the water district. This stuff can be very corrosive depending on these previous conditions. Plus different types of anti-freeze are not compatible with other types and this situation has become extremely complex in recent years. Given that there are all these strange brews out there, I just cringe when I see words on Prestone containers that say its compatible with all other anti-freezes. The company I used to implicitly trust is now telling me "one size fits all"; I don't think so!
Living on the west coast where the weather is gentler in winter so I don't need to be concerned about the antics of pure old fashion ethylene glycol Prestone at sub zero temperatures and subjected to very hard water if it isn't distilled or de-ionized, I long ago switched to a waterless solution of 100% Prestone. While I fiddle now and then with the chemistry of mixing ethylene and propylene glycols, I mostly just use Evans waterless any more, it makes the problems of chemical reactions inside the cooling system, corrosion of the parts, worrying about nucleate boiling and such concerns just go away. The peace of mind is more than worth the extra money.
I won't argue that you've had luck with waterless coolant, but your approach has to be the most bassackwards approach to coolant selection I have ever heard of, most people seek good heat transfer first and then worry about corrosion and localized boiling.
Your approach is much more stable, not denying that, but its also a MUCH less effective coolant.
As for the water- I always use tap water, either from city supply or a well- and never had any problems. I see people going out of there way to buy distilled water and I just shake my head and laugh, then again I worked in water supply for a few years and still do a lot of work with water and pumping and know how silly worrying about the insignificant difference between tap and distilled water is for this application.
FWIW, almost all commercial and industrial cooling towers/supplies use plain old tap water that is often stored in ponds or exposed towers.
BTW, fluoride and chlorine are in the 2ppm range each in urban water supplies, in a 15L cooling system that equates to a few HUNDREDTHS of a gram total, there's not a single part in your car that is measured to hundredths of a gram.
Pull a couple of lifters and check the bottoms.
It might be wise to look into a roller cam conversion at this point. Before my time but, the boat yard I worked at had issues with BBC flat tappet cams going flat. I know next to nothing about BB Chev, but it seems like they have some oiling issues. Add in suspect cam cores and renegade lifters with todays aggressive lobe profiles and stiff springs. If a roller cam isn't in your future, PLEASE talk to someone about getting a cam that's been nitrided or whatever proprietary process that Comp is using (parkerizing?). Yeah, the core may still be too soft, but its better than nothing. What are your valvetrain specs?
Sorry to see you're having problems like this
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I haven't pulled any lifters yet ... will try to do that in an evening or next weekend. I may even ask my ex-boss (and former NAPA machine shop owner)to come over and get his opinion.
But yes ... IF this cam is going to have to get pulled out, there will be a roller cam going back in. I know thats sort of what I said the first time ... but darn it, the price difference! (I know ... it's all relative.)
This engine, and entire project ... is starting to feel like a "money pit". I'm tired of the "re-do's" (on brand new parts) ... and this thing hasn't even turned a wheel yet!
I'm about ready to tie a chain around this thing and throw it overboard.
I don't know the history of your block and heads, but could this be an issue with the cam tunnel / lifter bores exacerbating an already marginal problem?
Maybe it's my eyes, but that's the driest engine I've ever seen. Can't be good on start up.
Anyway, this past week I ordered and received "Engine Cooling Systems by Ray Bohacz "-I received it last Saturday-it is a little boring in places, but there is a lot of good information there-he is a big Evans guy too, and for many good reasons, such as Boiling Point (375 degreees on Evans vs. 265 for water), the fact that it is very resistant to "vaporizing or boiling", it doesn't have "silicate fallout", won't corrode because there is no water in it and many other valid reasons-
I am gathering info on this stuff (I know it's been out for a long time), but, so far, I can't find really bad stuff on this-do you have info on it?
I was a little bit shocked, and, I am gathering info on Evans products as I am very concerned about keeping my combo cool-
Check the lifter bore clearances.It a issue with the aftermarket blocks and we went through a problem with OEM blocks yrs ago,Yepper 5 engines in the frame rails in 4 wks with BBC's,all rollers,all valve train problems.Got us to set out for 2ys.
IF these lifters pass inspection, they will be getting the lifter lube treatment, fresh oil and NAPA Gold filter, and the oil pump will be primed again to the point of oil returning to the intake valley before this thing gets fired up again.
As to the coolant issue, I plan to fill it with water and warm it up ... then add a can of rad flush ... run it some more. Flush it with a flush tee and garden hose until it comes out clear, then drain and refill with fresh 50/50 premixed antifreeze.
In other words ... spare no expense and err on the side of caution!
I talked to my ex-boss this morning and he has agreed to come have a look.
Like I said earlier, I'll inspect them for "abnormal-looking" wear ... and ensure that they get returned to their respctive bores. (I know that you don't want to mix them up)
The bores DO look like they were honed when the engine was rebuilt and assmbled by the machine shop in 2005.
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The Beesource.com website and bulletin board will have to turn a new corner this coming year. Since its inception, I have chosen to make the site totally free, spending enormous amounts of my own time and money to make this happen. As long as I was able to do so, I was grateful to do it. This was one way I could help the beekeeping community. However, I can no longer do this for various reasons. I have refrained from going the ad route to generate funds, as I hate them. I would like to think that the people using the site could donate enough to keep it up and running. If not, some hard decisions will have to be made.
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It's been a year since Bella Swan (Stewart) and Edward Cullen (Pattinson) got married, went on honeymoon and had a baby in Part 1 of the final Twilight story, based on the young adult novel series by Stephanie Meyer.
Part 2 hardly skips a beat in picking up where we left off, with Bella now a fully-fledged member of the vampire fraternity, relishing her new life and extraordinary powers, and slowly getting her bloodthirsty urges under control. With Edward and their half-human/half vampire daughter Renesmee (who is growing almost a year a month) they have moved into their own cottage not far from the Cullen family home in the woods around Forks in Washington State.
Life is good, with Bella and Edward finally together and enjoying modest and artfully-shot vampire sex. It's not long, though, before Edward's sister Alice has a vision revealing that the Volturi, the coven that enforce vampire laws, are on their way to kill Renesmee, believing she was born human and turned into a dangerous immortal child in breech of vampire rules.
Edward's family ask their allies from around the world to come to Forks to witness that Renesmee is not an immortal child, and to stand with them against the Volturi. It's not long before the United Nations of vampires have gathered at the Cullens for a final showdown.
Part 2 is more tolerable than the long and drawn out Part 1. The characters have matured, the melodramatic overacting has been toned down, and more of the action plays out during daylight hours so we can actually see what's going on. It also seems that having a child to think about, rather than just themselves, has made Edward, Bella and Jacob (Lautner), who is Renesmee's guardian, much more likeable.
Bella is no longer a sullen teenager, and with her new vampire power and physical strength she joins in the action rather than just standing, fretting, on the sidelines.
Lautner is still required remove his shirt but his character is more bearable now he has moved on from his teenage infatuation with Bella.
Some things remain the same, there is little improvement in the script, with the cheesy dialogue still a feature, and director Bill Condon (the only director who's done more than one Twilight film) once again fails to hit the dramatic high points with any emotional punch, urgency or tension.
I'm still not convinced this final is better for being in two parts rather than a single exhilarating film. We see the best of the story in an action-packed climax, if only there was more of this kind of entertaining action throughout. Though, somehow, I don't think the fans will mind a bit.
Stars: 3/5
Cast: Kristen Stewart, Robert Pattinson, Taylor Lautner
Director: Bill Condon
Running Time: 115 mins
Rating: M (Fantasy violence)
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Genotypic resistance assay
This blood test looks at the genetic makeup of a strain of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.
If you are infected with HIV, this test may be done before you start taking antiviral medication. It can help your doctor figure out the best treatment to use. This is beneficial because drug-resistant HIV strains continue to evolve.
The test can also help figure out if a medicine you are taking works for your type of HIV and whether your virus has mutated, or changed, in an effort to survive treatments.
This test is fairly new, but it's available in many large laboratories.
You may need this test if your doctor suspects that the amount of HIV in your body is steadily increasing. This could happen even though you're taking antiviral medicines if you have a type of HIV that's resistant to treatment.
You may also have this test before starting HIV treatment. You might also be given this test if you are pregnant and need HIV medicines.
No other tests are usually done along with this one.
Many things may affect your lab test results. These include the method each lab uses to do the test. Even if your test results are different from the normal value, you may not have a problem. To learn what the results mean for you, talk with your health care provider.
Test results include a combination of numbers and letters – for instance, K103N. Not all mutations of HIV resist drug treatment, but some are commonly found in HIV.
To get the best test results, you typically need to have at least 1,000 copies of the virus per milliliter of blood. The test may not be useful if you don't have enough copies of the virus in your blood.
This test may not detect mutations that infect less than 20 percent of the virus population.
The test requires a blood sample, which is drawn through a needle from a vein in your arm.
Taking a blood sample with a needle carries risks that include bleeding, infection, bruising, or feeling dizzy. When the needle pricks your arm, you may feel a slight stinging sensation or pain. Afterward, the site may be slightly sore.
Not taking your HIV medicines as prescribed can cause a false-positive result.
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[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]Draft is the most important thing[/quote]
No it's not adaptability is the most important thing.
[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]When would it not make sense to grab 3 RBs if u only have 2 WRs to start?[/quote]

When the WR you could grab is better then Any RB that's currently available? It's almost as though you see flex as Automatic RB start...RB's and WR's score pretty much the same amount of fantasy points now, there is no reason to start a RB over a WR in the Flex....(and vica versa) you should just start(and draft) the one who is the best value.
[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]You said it yourself that NFL is a passing game so plug and playing 2 WRs wpould be the easiest thing to do.[/quote]

And adding a 3rd one into the Flex instead of a RB also makes sense!


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I have two hives that I started in August and October respectfully. After they had filled the single deep I put another deep at the bottom. I did this knowing that they tend to put the brood closer to the entrance. Now it's spring and they are producing honey down here in South Florida, and the bottom boxes aren't even drawn out yet. Should I remove the bottom box, put it on top or???
Any help is appreciated.