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The Bigtree clan is a family in crisis. The mother, Hiola, has passed away and she was not only the main gator wrestler and star attraction at the Swamplandia theme park, but the glue that held the family together. Now on the verge of losing their beloved home, the Bigtrees find they are ill-prepared to deal with the real world into which they've been thrust. Each member of the family leaves their sheltered enclave convinced they can somehow turn things around. Yet do they leave Swamplandia more to save it or to escape it?
The narration duties here are divided in some very interesting ways. Actress/writer Arielle Sitrick plays the main character of young Ava in the chapters focusing mainly on Swamplandia. David Ackroyd takes on the role of Kiwi, the older teenage son, with his chapters being told mainly from a rival theme park, a place that's a bizarro alternative universe version of his previous home. The two narrators see things quite differently. Sitrick voices Ava as the winsome innocent and the mystic heart of a Swamplandia where anything is possible; however, did the nostalgic world she remembers ever really exist? Ackroyd plays Kiwi as the somewhat naive yet most practical member of the family. He has big plans and learns quickly, but finds things are not quite so easy out in the real world.
Karen Russell's Swamplandia is an amusing and well crafted piece that's a bit Florida gothic and a bit magical realism. Will Ava's rare red gator save the day? Maybe Kiwi with his big plans and Forrest Gump-like luck will come through after all? Will younger sister Osceola ever marry her long-dead ghost boyfriend? Then again, perhaps the various family pipe dreams are destined to fail, as perhaps is Swamplandia? In the end the characters and the listener have to question just what a happy ending for this quirky family would even look like. That's the journey that Russell takes you on with Swamplandia, and it's a colorful, original trip well worth taking. Cleo Creech
From the celebrated 29-year-old author of the everywhere-heralded short-story collection St. Lucy's Home for Girls Raised by Wolves ("How I wish these were my own words, instead of the breakneck demon writer Karen Russell's.... Run for your life. This girl is on fire," said the Los Angeles Times Book Review) comes a blazingly original debut novel that takes us back to the swamps of the Florida Everglades, and introduces us to Ava Bigtree, an unforgettable young heroine.
The Bigtree alligator-wrestling dynasty is in decline, and Swamplandia!, their island home and gator-wrestling theme park, formerly number-one in the region, is swiftly being encroached upon by a fearsome and sophisticated competitor called the World of Darkness. Ava's mother, the park's indomitable headliner, has just died; her sister, Ossie, has fallen in love with a spooky character known as the Dredgeman, who may or may not be an actual ghost; and her brilliant big brother, Kiwi, who dreams of becoming a scholar, has just defected to the World of Darkness in a last-ditch effort to keep their family business from going under. Ava's father, affectionately known as Chief Bigtree, is AWOL; and that leaves Ava, a resourceful but terrified thirteen, to manage 98 gators and the vast, inscrutable landscape of her own grief.
Against a backdrop of hauntingly fecund plant life animated by ancient lizards and lawless hungers, Karen Russell has written an utterly singular novel about a family's struggle to stay afloat in a world that is inexorably sinking. An arrestingly beautiful and inventive work from a vibrant new voice in fiction.
©2011 Karen Russell (P)2011 Random House
"[Russell] has thrown the whole circus of her heart onto the page, safety nets be damned. . . . Russell has deep and true talent." (San Francisco Chronicle)
"Vividly worded, exuberant in characterization, the novel is a wild ride. . . . This family, wrestling with their desires and demons . . . will lodge in the memories of anyone lucky enough to read Swamplandia!" (The New York Times Book Review)
"The bewitching Swamplandia! is a tremendous achievement."(Entertainment Weekly)
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"Sometimes Brilliant, Sometimes Disappointing"
I am wrestling with myself (not alligators) about how I feel after listening to this book. This book is listed in Stephen King's top ten books you MUST read so I took his advice. I had also read a rave review from Carl Hiaasen, my expectations were quite high. And yes, I do love the premise of this story.
Ms. Russell does a beautiful job of inviting us into the swamp, we feel the heat, see the waterways, smell the wild orchids. She makes the run down theme park Swamplandia! come alive and that entertains. Throughout Ms. Russell produces beautiful prose that makes this book special.
However, I just can't join in the praise for the Bigtree tribe. Mother Hilola (think Esther Williams swimming with gators) is the star performer , Father the Chief runs the show, son Kiwi and daughters Osceola and Ava (the main character, an alligator wrestler in training) are home schooled kids who's stories drive the plot.
In the first few chapters tragedy strikes, the old theme park looses it's star performer Hilola. The children each react in their own way, and from that point on nothing goes right in the world at Swamplandia!
Although there are so many things I loved about this book, I think the narrator Arielle Sitrick does this book a terrible disservice. Her tween voice would be fine if she had read this book with even a little passion and feeling. Her narration was flat and failed miserably. Even in the most interesting parts, this narrator made me too often not care what happened next. I can usually overlook a sub-par narrator, but this time, I was so confused, I kept trying to figure out if it was truly the narrator, the prose or me. I think narrator
There were moments I couldn't put the book down, and moments I wanted to just walk away from this book.
I also felt that Kiwi' s part of the story was weak, perhaps if this part had been stronger and more engaging maybe the bad narration (female reader) could have been mitigated.
Maybe reading this book in text is a better bet.
"Audible should not sell this book..."
I am a long-term Audible customer and have read many audible books I didn't like or even finish. Fair enough; caveat emptor. Most audible books are great and have given me hours of pleasure. However, the narration of Swamplandia is so dreadful, so amateurish, I couldn't get past the first hour. Does audible exercise any quality control regarding its selection of the audio versions it sells? How bad does a book have to be before Audible editors take it off the shelf? Did the publisher of Swamplandia set a bored 13-year-old at a table and force her to read this book, a book she obviously hated? (Sorry, Arielle, but your producer/director did you a disservice by not giving you the support you needed. Most bad narrations are really producer/director generated.) And...please...Audible...ask the publisher to try again. The book itself looks great.
"Not Interesting"
While I enjoyed the richness of this book's imagery and the fluidity and grace of the writing,I could not connect with the characters nor the setting.
There is the abundant quality of fantasy in this writing, and the story reminds me of the Rick Riordan Percy Jackson books. It has the feeling of a magical odyssey, with fantastical creatures and
phantasmagoric gauntlets which the young hero must overcome. And the writing is more about creating a scene, with vivid, nuanced description than about character development. The book actually does read like a theme park ride or video game, so if fantasy is your thing, then this book is for you.
I am not surprised that Stephen King likes this book. Carl Hiassen's endorsement does not surprise me either, given the book's environmental message clothed in a story about a failed Florida swampland theme park.
I agree with the opinions about the female narrator. Mispronounced words - eg. bromeliad sounded like "bromelade" as in "marmalade" - are forgivable, but for me, her flat delivery prevented any identification with this person.
I actually did prefer the parts of the narrative that dealt with the "Kiwi" character. The male narrator had the perfect voice and just the right tone, and I looked forward to the sections that returned to his story.
I am not sure I'll enjoy the south Florida islands and wetlands with quite the same gusto as I had prior to reading this book.
"Terrible Reader"
I'm halfway through the book and it is ok. Not great, not terrible - ok. However, the reader's constant mispronunciation of simple words is very distracting. Gherkin = jerkin to our reader and bromeliad = bro-mi-lad. And possibly the worst of this list, the book is set in Florida so I would hope the reader would at least be able to get the pronunciation of Florida cities correct. Nope. Ocala = Oh-cah-la. Ugh. This is very disappointing and very distracting.
Her pace and tone are fine. She is young, but this is a 13 year old girl's story so I'm ok with that.
I would assume these audiobooks are edited prior to publication. Shame on the editor. Sounds like someone took a nap when they should have been listening.
"Be Warned: Terrible Reader"
The female (read: 13 year old girl) reader here is terrible. Nothing against the girl, but she's not a professional, and It's an awful fit for the text. I've listened to hundreds of audiobooks, and only had problems with two readers, this being one of them. Unlistenable.
The you woman who narrates this book is just a terrible reader. I feel like I'm listening to a high school student who has no idea how to read out loud. The narration is so amateurish that I can't say if the novel has any merit or not. Very disappointed.
Train dreams
Absolutely not
Anger, disappointment.
Please make sure professionals are narrating these books. It's a waste of money to buy a book that is so poorly performed.
"Amateur Hour"
I should have heeded all the "terrible reader" reviews. The female narrator has an annoying habit of putting the emPHAsis on the wrong sylLABle, making the text momentarily incomprehensible. It's hard enough to stay interested in the story without the distraction of having to translate the reader's mispronunciations. The male reader is better, but I almost gave up on the book before he appeared in chapter 6. The characters are even less interesting than the story. And who would name a family amusement park the World of Darkness? Talk about your heavy-handed symbolism. From the amusement park name to the female narrator, Swamplandia is amateur hour for far too many of its 13 hours.
"Murky and Slow Moving"
Originating from a 2006 short story found in St.Lucy's Home for Girls Raised by Wolves, Swaplandia! is Karen Russell's debut novel and will probably be remembered for its sheer oddity and Russell's poetic and unconventional use of language. You have quotes like, "Something lunged in me then. receded. A giggle or a sob. A noise. I thought you look very stupid dad" and "Like any hatchling gator, her snout tapered into a look of flutey suspicion". Such lush descriptions and grammatical acrobatics due demand attention (as does the exclamation point in the title), but they do little to help our plucky narrator Ava who has been abandoned by her entire family at their alligator wrestling park in the Florida swamplands. At its best pace Swamplandia! ebbs along. A secondary sub plot involving Ava's brother Kiwi who runs away to work at a rival amusement park, goes nowhere. When the action begins, somewhere in the middle of the story—Ava sets out to save her older sister who has run away to marry her ghost lover--it's a welcome relief which then gives way to terror as we realize the dangerous situation Ava has naively put herself in.
In case you're unaware, Swamplandia! received a starred review from Booklist, Library Journal, and Publisher's weekly, an A- from EW, a rave in ELLE, a plug from Stephen King amongst other glowing accounts. These accolades frankly left me stumped. I had to start the story over almost a dozen times because I kept losing interest. Yes, it is imaginative and uniquely voiced, but instead of coloring Ava's story, these devices bog it down.
The audio book is read by a young narrator, Arielle Sitrick, and since Ava is a pre-teen, this makes sense. But the alternating chapters are voiced by David Ackroyd who is clearly a middle age man, not the tonnage Kiwi one expects. So it makes the gimmick of using Arielle pointless. Disappointed.
"Hopes Dashed"
I had high hopes for this book as I am very familiar and fascinated with Southwest Florida and its mystic islands. I tried hard to like it, but the book goes nowhere. The female reader is also very hard to listen to and should not read books for a living.
"Do not allow Arielle Sitrick to narrate your book!"
There could be no better example of how the wrong narrator can ruin a book than this. While I imagine I would have had problems with Swamplandia in any case, Ms. Sitrick reads in a flat monotone, which is hardly what the book requires. She mispronounces words, she puts emphasis on the wrong syllables, she's generally a disaster, and it's extremely difficult to listen to her. Not so her co-narrator, David Ackroyd, who unfortunately reads only a small portion of the book. This was, alas, an infuriating experience.
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So we are DONE!!!!!
showcasing my baby!!! I think she looks marvelous!!!!
So we are DONE!!!!!
showcasing my baby!!! I think she looks marvelous!!!!
Very nice!
Wow! Way to go, JD!!
Congratulations!!! Looks great - looking forward to seeing it in person at DC!!!! You made it with only a little over a week to spare!
thanks guys...Jamie will be happy to know you like it...It's a bit different than what everyone is used to seeing as we used the dressing the galaxy and VD for color references...we shot those in direct sunlight outside with no flash so the colors are pretty close to what your eye sees...
maulmaus....you are not kidding....down to the wire for sure...having to do the gauntlets ourselves kind of threw us off pace but we managed to get them done...the only thing im still hoping for is the new rifle upgrades in time...we'll see
Make sure she wears it for a couple of hours before wearing it to D*C, just to find out what works and what doesn't ....But I think you already know that!
ya...for sure...we already found a couple things we need to fix up...one of her boots are scraping her ankle and we need to dremel out the left gauntlet a bit more as it is a little tight inside...
Looks great
Wow! Looks fabulous!
Lookin' forward to meeting you both at DCon!
Wow! Way to go. Looks good!
Looks good!
Wow Looks great! Zam's costume has always amazed me
Phew that was close
Congratulaions! It's a Zam!
Loving what you did with the end of the rifle. I'll have to pick your brains on that again.
Enjoy DC
Glad to have Jamie as a part of the NEG! Our first ever Zam here in New England. SWEET!
for those zammers who dont know...Jamie won best bounty hunter and best of show in the star wars contest at D*Con!!!! yaaaayyyyyy! pictures will be posted later in the sarlac pit thread i posted!
Congrats again on the D*Con MOTF contest win.
I posted photos from the contest in my Image Event account. Feel free to take a look or grab whatever you'd like (original res is available there).
those are great....
I was too busy mpg-in to get any good photos so im glad you got those! I will be grabbing the high res ones in the morning as im at work right now but this is just about how she looked the rest of the day!
great shots!
o.k. folks....i know i'm super lame for not posting on here...so for that i sincerley apologize, I've been meaning too ever since I got back from D*con, and just havent had the time ( i started nursing school! ugghh)
with that said, I wanted to take a moment and thank everyone here for all the input and advice, recomendations and also support, that jdfett and I received from everyone. The advice was priceless!! thank you thank you thank you... 2 all...
Kay_Dee, your pics are fantastic!! (pm sent btw)...thank you for sharing those!
It was great to meet some of y'all at D*con, it's nice being able to put a face to the name!! ...all in all, D*con was awesome, although, I have to admit, when I got the chance to meet fellow zammers at the parade, I was NOT well, therefore, I was not myself! so..sorry if i wasnt more outgoing, but i really did enjoy meeting y'all!! I enjoyed scoping out everyone else's zam! (c'mon everyone does it!) and i thought "man...we look pretty good! heres to representin the female bounty hunter!!" I thought everyone's costume was amazing!
so thanks again everyone...hope we meet again somewhere else down the line!
I was pretty THRILLED to be able to give you one of those awards, Jamie! Congrats!
Congratulations Jamie on the awards!! You made us TDH'ers Proud and especially us Zammers! Way to Go!! You and JD made a fantastic costume! And thanks to Kay_Dee for sharing those pics!
It was also great to be able to meet you and JD at DC - looking forward to next time. Good luck in nursing school.. considering how sick some of us have been since DC, I think we need a nurse!
I tell ya, that MOTF contest was something i've never experienced before. I was so nervouse standing up in front of people, not to mention, I only had one contact in...(my left one was working out, so jd had to take it out for me backstage)...so my vision was more than skewed!! all i kept telling myself, please dont fall....and to breathe....did i mention how nervouse i was? looking back on it, i feel pretty silly now! and you wouldnt believe how shocked i was when i heard my name and number called for best in show...it took me a minute to realize that i had heard what i heard! It was great to meet you, both in costume, and out, i wish we had gotten more time to chat! theres is always next year....
and thank you maul maus for the good wishes, nursing school isnt easy..actually, i think the words nursing school + easy are polar opposites! so any wishes, and luck sent my way is greatly needed and appreciatted! this is my first week, so im really overwhelmed, severly stressed out, i dont know if im coming or going or been there! i feel like im in boot camp all over again, only im not doing push ups this time! lol...
i Know what you mean about the d*con bug, my chest and throat still arent right..i guess thats what happens though when you have that many people in one place! it's been a little over a week now...should be getting better soon!
Jamie is looking so fantastic proffesional.
I think with a photoshop guy on hand you could turn this photo in something very special
HA-no kidding huh? i love photoshop...havnt thought about using that shot..
here is a cool shot from Dcon last year during the Star Wars costume contest! she was super pumped to win both best bounty hunter and best in show! a very cool day for the zammer community!
Awesome! Thanks for sharing the picture... er.. only 8 months late JD!
You're as bad as I am in posting pictures!


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- Four Poems for Robin by Gary Snyder
Writing Ideas
- Think about Snyder's italicized stanza headings: are they captions to sections? Try writing a poem that similarly uses italics to "frame" what follows. Like Snyder, use both time and place markers.
- "Four Poems for Robin" is already spare, generating effects from minimal lines that seem to be always about to dissolve. Can you make it even sparer? Try doing an "erasure" of Snyder's poem, erasing as many words as you can while still retaining the poem's mood, structure, and "story." Think about which words are most suggestive, what the repetition of key words can achieve, and how white space can be evocative.
Discussion Questions
- As Troy Jollimore notes in his poem guide, "Four Poems for Robin" is "structured loosely around places and seasons, which tend to suggest emotions that are often not explicitly stated." How does the poem "suggest emotions"? What is the mood or atmosphere of this poem and of each part of this poem? How does Snyder achieve those moods? Think about word choice, spacing, and sound patterning.
- Where in time and space is the poet? How does the poem present memory at a "double remove"? Try drawing a map of the poem: does visually representing the times and spaces Synder is traversing help you understand his poem in new ways?
- Pay close attention to Snyder's use of line in the poem. How does he use the line as a unit of information, sense, or sound? There is only one instance of enjambment in the poem—what effect does this generate for you as a reader? Why might Snyder have enjambed the line he does?
Teaching Tips
- The title to Jollimore's poem guide suggests another poet concerned with the workings of place and memory: William Wordsworth, who famously wrote that poetry "takes its origin from emotion recollected in tranquility." Have students consider how Snyder's poem deals with three of Wordsworth's tenets: emotion, recollection, and tranquility. How does the poem generate effects like tranquility? Can your students detect recollection as an activity in the poem? How does the poem demonstrate the mind remembering? Perhaps have your students read the pertinent section from Wordsworth's "Observations Prefixed to Lyrical Ballads" (the paragraph beginning "I have said that poetry is the spontaneous overflow of powerful feelings"). Lead a brief discussion on Wordsworth's claims for poets composing poetry and readers reading it. Then, ask them to either write their own poem demonstrating "emotion recollected in tranquility" or their own poetics statement asserting what they believe the "origin" of their poetry to be.
- Snyder is often grouped with the Beats, a movement that also included poets such as Allen Ginsberg, Jack Kerouac, and Gregory Corso. Have your students research the Beat poets and in particular Snyder's role in the group. What are some of their most famous poems? Scandals? What documents, videos (a famous video is "Pull My Daisy," directed by Robert Frank and available online), sound clips, and art can your students find from the movement and its poets? Ask students to research the Beat generation, perhaps forming groups to investigate key figures, events, or publications. Once they've researched and presented their findings to the class, reconsider "Four Poems for Robin." Now that they have some context for Snyder, does their understanding of the poem change? How does Snyder's work differ from, say, Allen Ginsberg's? Or Lawrence Ferlinghetti's? Have students choose a Beat poet or poem to write an imitation of; then stage a Beat-style reading or "happening" for students to share.
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Gary Snyder: "Four Poems for Robin"
Poem Guide
Gary Snyder was one of the first contemporary poets I read seriously, and he helped shape my conception of what a poet ought to be. He seemed to occupy many worlds: an environmentalist long before "environment" was a household word, Snyder's politics were not only expressed in his writing but embodied in his life. Yet he was also cosmopolitan, interested in the Far East and sophisticated enough to move among the Beat poets who were his close friends. His work straddled both East and West, reconciling reason with instinct, encompassing both the unsettled and unspoiled "backcountry" and the great literary cities of our civilization. When I read him as a teenager, Snyder seemed poised to capture and express the diverse possibilities of life in the latter half of the 20th century.
These days I am a different reader, and Snyder seems to me a different poet. The poems present a man pulled in conflicting directions, one who never stops wanting to disappear into the wilderness—in Japan, India, the Far East, and the forests of North America—but who is also constantly beckoned by civilization, by the company of people, and in particular by the society of women. Between Snyder the Beat poet and Snyder the nature poet, there stands a third figure: Snyder the love poet. And this brings us to "Four Poems for Robin," one of his most beautiful love poems.
It is also one of the saddest. "We were the youngest lovers," he writes. "When we broke up we were still nineteen." Spoken from the perspective of an older and wiser poet, "Four Poems for Robin" contemplates and commemorates what his younger self and his lover chose to walk away from. It is a poem that uses memory to explore love, but it is also a poem that uses shifts in time and location to explore memory, and to probe the nature of choice and regret.
The entire poem is structured loosely around places and seasons, which tend to suggest emotions that are often not explicitly stated. The first lines of section one describe the poet's situation, "[s]iwashing it out once in Siuslaw Forest": he is alone, sleeping outdoors (siwashing) and alone, and is so cold that he can barely sleep at all. Then, in line seven, his memory takes the reader into a different time frame, one that contrasts in nearly every way with the previous. Rather than sleeping alone, outdoors, in a foreign country, in the cold, we now have the image of the poet in his adolescence, "[s]leeping together" with his lover "in a big warm bed." Throughout the section, the poet is placed in a "present" moment that is not quite present: the word "once" in the subtitle makes it clear that the moment of remembering is itself in the past, so that when the memory itself comes, it does so at a double remove.
The emotional arc of this first section reflects the temporal distancing. Who wouldn't prefer the "big warm bed" to the cold "sheet of cardboard"? And yet Snyder refrains from evaluating until the end, and what he says there suggests a certain level of equanimity, even neutrality:
I don't mind living this way
Green hills the long blue beach
But sometimes sleeping in the open
I think back when I had you
The contentment hinted at is almost immediately undermined: "I don't mind. . . . But . . ." While conceding only that he sometimes thinks about Robin—as if total happiness would have consisted of forgetting her entirely—the first section nonetheless ends on a note of clear, if muted, regret.
The second section introduces a new pairing of present and past. As in the previous fragment, the instance of remembering takes place at night; the section's subtitle locates it in spring, and it is a spring night, too, that is being remembered. The double framing of memory—the fact that it is a memory that is being remembered—reminds us that this is a poem about memory and regret, the record of a contemplative and attentive mind engaged in the act of exploring itself and its relation to its own remembered past.
Section two gives us a new take on the lovers' relationship. The speaker now suggests that Robin is the only part of that former life that he remembers: "All that I wanted then / Is forgotten now, but you." Also ending in a memory, section two leaves the lovers outside. Instead of a "big warm bed," we see Robin's body "cool" and "[n]aked under a summer cotton dress." On a spring night, that summer dress—like the young lovers' romance—seems to have arrived too soon, and is perhaps inadequate to the situation.
The speaker's emotions are obscured in the first two sections. They happen deep within the double frames of memory. The third section, by contrast, brings those emotions startlingly to the fore. "Bitter memory," Snyder rails, "like vomit." Robin, who appears in a dream, is also depicted for the first time in emotional terms: "[w]ild, cold, and accusing." Snyder, after waking from this unpleasant dream, also finds himself in the world of strong emotion. He is "shamed and angry" and rues "[t]he pointless wars of the heart." This section's drama is a far cry from the calm and restraint of the first two.
The contrast between domestic, inside space and natural, outdoor space forms an important part of the poem's structure. The third section still finds the speaker outside, though he has moved closer to domesticity, sleeping "[o]n mats on the porch," he is still unable or unwilling to actually enter the house. And just as the speaker's location becomes an important thread connecting the sections, so too do certain images. The falling rhododendron blossoms of section one, which reappeared as hanging cherry blossoms in section two, now become the Pleiades, "thick autumn stars" hanging in the sky. The stars' remoteness reflects the new distance between the poet and Robin. At first they are snuggled in bed, and then walking together in Oregon, but by the third section there is no hint of the pair touching. And Robin herself has gone from warm (in the "big warm bed") to cool ("your cool body") to "cold" ("[w]ild, cold, and accusing").
Each of the first two sections refers back to a concrete memory of the past: the big warm bed, the Oregon orchard. In section three the memory is replaced by a dream: the "[w]ild, cold, and accusing" Robin who appears here is a product of the poet's imagination, and is thus both more immediate and, in a sense, less real. Section four contains both dream and memory. The first memory recounted is the decisive October in which Robin "chose to be free." The second is an "[a]fter college" encounter, apparently the last time the two saw each other:
You said, that October,
In the tall dry grass by the orchard
When you chose to be free,
"Again someday, maybe ten years."
After college I saw you
One time. You were strange.
And I was obsessed with a plan.
This seems starkly impersonal, especially when compared to the earlier memories: did words pass between them at all? They seem to have been passing by each other without, perhaps, any real contact at all. The word "strange" means weird, odd, but also, of course, foreign: a stranger is an estranged person, a foreigner. By remaining where she was, Robin has become alien to Snyder, though he is the one who traveled.
Breakups bring responsibility. The discovery that it is Robin, not Snyder, who "chose to be free" is perhaps a bit surprising—up to this point the onus has been placed mostly on Snyder, who left to travel the world "obsessed with a plan." Section four makes it clear, though, that it was closer to mutual. Robin could have waited it out, but she did not. And Snyder, when he returned from his travels through the East, could have returned to her—but did not either:
Now ten years and more have
Gone by: I've always known
where you were—
I might have gone to you
Hoping to win your love back.
You still are single.
I didn't.
I thought I must make it alone. I
Have done that.
The emotional turmoil of section three comes into sharper focus here. Each, it seems, has chosen to be alone: Snyder by wandering and not returning, Robin by choosing not to wait. It is no wonder that whatever anger each might feel at the other doubles back and presents itself also as shame.
Like its emotional landscape, the poem's temporal schema is more complex than its apparently straightforward surface might suggest. It is worth looking closer at the crucial word "now." It appears in each of the first two sections as a signal that we are in the poetic present, and it also appears twice in the fourth section. "Now ten years and more have / Gone by," and this time "now" really seems to mean now. Sections one and two gave us a "now" that was itself being spoken in a recalled past time, but section four seems to be occurring in the present, as if time had finally caught up with itself.
The second occurrence of "now" in this section makes the sense of now-ness, of the poem's happening in our present, even stronger:
I feel ancient, as though I had
Lived many lives.
And may never now know
If I am a fool
Or have done what my
karma demands.
This "now" is grammatically odd: "may never now know" initially seems an awkward and congested thought; "never" and "now" strain against each other. It takes a moment to mentally reorder the words into the more straightforward "and now I may never know"—Snyder feels he may have passed up the opportunity to know with confidence whether he made the right choice. But the ghost reading of "never now know" persists, even after we have done the mental reordering. The original order suggests that there will never be a moment, a present, a now, in which Snyder is granted the full apprehension of the rightness (or wrongness) of the decision he has made; not only this present now, but every now that lies ahead, will be deeply riven with uncertainty and emotional ambivalence.
Even more than the longing for Robin, it is the longing for a quasi-mystical moment of certain apprehension that animates this poem and gives it its power. Snyder's final stanzas, describing the love he and Robin shared, are both sad and charmingly naïve. At 19, everyone thinks of their love as possessing a "grave, awed intensity." All lovers, at that age, feel that they have "what the others / All crave and seek for." That is what first love feels like. And because first love ends, it is possible to fool oneself into thinking that it was perfect, that if it had been allowed to continue it would have lasted, as it were, forever.
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In addition to being an invaluable resource while adjusting to life in New York, OGS connects international students with each other as well as other members of the NYU community. There are a number of programs and events hosted throughout the year aimed to ease the transition into NYU living and to encourage socialization and networking. From orientation programs to annual International Education Week activities, there are a number of ways for international students to integrate into the greater NYU community while building a network of their own. For more information, visit the Office of Global Services website.


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Group Date: Boat racing date.
2-on-1: John and Nate. The three of them go cliff diving. Nate is eliminated.
Rose Ceremony Eliminations: Michael and Charlie. Nate was already eliminated on the 2-on-1.
Group Date: Eight guys rehearse a scene from "Romeo & Juliet". At the after party Emily blows up on Kalon and tells him to "Get the f*** out!" and he's eliminated.
1-on-1: Jef. He gets a rose.
Rose Ceremony Elimination: Alejandro. Kalon sent home on the group date.
Group Date: Six guys and Emily watch an advance screening of "Brave" a new Pixar movie.
1-on-1: Ryan. Here's what's interesting: Only six guys made it to the next city of Prague and those are the six guys on the group date. So the two guys who got 1-on-1 dates, Travis and Ryan, are eliminated. Yet we know that on 1-on-1 dates, you either get a rose and you're safe or you're sent home. If they're both sent home on their dates, that means there would've been no rose ceremony in Croatia. However, on April 8th (when they were in Croatia) Mike Fleiss tweeted "Emily Maynard just delivered another Bachelorette first!" Then 5 minutes later tweeted "Turns out a rose is not always a rose." Could be that either Ryan or Travis got a rose on their 1-on-1 date, then when it came time for the rose ceremony, Emily took it back. In summary, Ryan and Travis were both sent home.
1-on-1: John. He didn't get a rose, but wasn't eliminated.
3-on-1: Doug, Sean and Chris. Doug is eliminated.
1-on-1: Jef. He gets a rose.
Rose Ceremony Elimination: John. Doug was already eliminated on the 3-on-1 date.
-Jef St. George, Utah. They had dinner at his ranch. His parents were not there, just married siblings. His parents are mission presidents for the Mormon Church and live in Columbia, SC.
-Arie Scottsdale, AZ He took her to his cart shop and took her on a test drive of his go kart.
-Sean Dallas, TX Had a family dinner with his niece and nephew in attendance.
Rose Ceremony Elimination: Chris.
Arie, Sean and Jef are the final three. Either Arie or Sean goes home after the overnight dates and the other is in the final two. Regardless, Emily ends up choosing Jef and they are now engaged. Are you happy with her decision? Would you have picked somebody else? Comment below & share your thoughts!


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MOMentum is a new moms group in Crosslake for mothers of school-aged children.
MOMentum offers a trusting, social environment for moms to discuss a variety of parenting and relational issues. Its purpose is to connect and encourage mothers of school-aged children.
MOMentum uses biblical truths as a foundation for mothering and welcomes all mothers of school-aged children. MOMentum offers mothers of school-aged children tools and resources to help nurture children, manage families, serve the community and build a personal relationship with Christ.
MOMentum meets from 6:30-8 p.m. the first and third Sundays of the month throughout the school year at The Log Church and will start Sept. 15.
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The AC compressor may fail causing the AC system to blow warm air, smoke may also appear from the engine. A failed AC compressor will require replacement. Mazda has extended the warranty on these compressors to 5 year or 60K mikes. If these conditions are noted our technicians recommend to turn the AC system off and have it inspected as soon as possible.
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Dog found, returned safely home after SUV stolen
TRAVELERS REST, S.C. (WCIV) -- One South Carolina dog owner is starting the year off on the right note.
Two weeks after police say an SUV was taken with a dog inside, a tip led them to a discovery and a happy reunion.
"Through the help of the community and my friends and my friends online in the online community, we got the dog back," said Jason Tharp, the dog's owner.
Tharp was one determined pet owner. He took out ads to get his dog and his car back.
He said he was at the Travelers Rest Walmart on Dec. 14 getting camping supplies when the theft happened.
What followed was an unexpected response.
He posted an appeal to get his dog back and friends and complete strangers pitched in. Eventually, one of those tips made their way to Travelers Rest police.
"The truck was at a location, possibly at a location, and the Greenville County Sheriff's Office began to work that information," said Capt. John Gardner with the Travelers Rest Police Department.
Police are not saying much because the investigation is still going on, but they did say they found the SUV and the dog in one location. Police said the fact that the dog was found at all is a rarity.
"The longer a case goes without a resolution, the less likely that it will be a good resolution. So two weeks is a long time for a dog to be missing and to come back to an owner. So again, that makes it real special and very sweet for them," Gardner said.
Tharp and his girlfriend Kim Rudolf said they are still missing some of their stuff, but they said the most important thing that was taken is now back home.
"That's your child, that's your family and it's your love. You look forward to waking up and seeing him," Rudolf said. "Christmas came a little late this year, but it came."


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Beautiful quilts and love the sock. You have been busy and thanks for your kind words about the butterfly quilt.
Welcome to the Quilting Board!
Beautiful quilts and love the sock. You have been busy and thanks for your kind words about the butterfly quilt.
I meant to behave......but there were too many other options
Monica, great quilts and runner. I also like the sock. I make knitted socks too. It is nice to do something different once in a while! I like to use those socks to run around in when I am in Strip Club or somewhere sewing with my shoe off!
Thanks! I have made socks from the top down, but never a sock from the toe up. I like the toe up method!
Once I get my latest quilt done, I'll post that. I won a bag of ties at one of Cathy's TOGAs. Hopefully after the first of the year I can get to making them into a quilt. I found a pretty tie quilt on a google search that I will be copying.
Here is my latest Strip Quilt finished. I have 2 or 3 more tops to get quilted before I am caught up with the Strip Quilts we made this year! This is called Smokey River using Stonehedge fabrics. The quilt was pieced using either my 301 or a featherweight in class and my 319w in treadle at home. I put the binding on with my 1222e Pfaff. It measures 99x106 after quilting!
WOW!! Nancy that is a handsome quilt! I love the blues with the shades of browns and hints of greens. This must of been a fun quilt to make. That's a huge quilt. Stunning quilt!!
Nancy that is very stunning quilt
NEVER let a sewing machine know you are in a hurry.
good mothers let you lick the beaters - great mothers turn it off first
Nancy what a wonderful quilt. I love the colors. You do such nice work
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Beautiful, Nancy!
Curator of an 1889 Singer model 27 Fiddlebase Treadle, a 1951 Singer Centennial Featherweight, a 1956 Singer 401A, and a 1982 Bernina 830 Record.
Nancy; That is simply gorgeous!! Love the color combination. Yo do fabulous work.
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Thank you all - Chris, Miriam, Cindy, Monica, and Skip!
Monica, no that quilt was a pain to make! One of the hardest strip quilts I have made because that stonehedge fabric is very stretchy and it frays really bad! There were several of us who did that quilt, but I don't think anyone else finished it because of the distortion from the fabric stretching and fraying down to the seam! I used a lot of Fray Check on my seams, which I have never had to do before while piecing a top, and I stay stitched an 1/8" around the entire quilt top before quilting it. DH really likes it and wants me to keep it! After all the trouble it caused me - I think I will keep this one!
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Thanks everyone, I love to see everyones blocks each week, how different they all look, great work, yes we are all getting better at these darn Y seams, and more to come
Welcome to the Quilting Board!
Thanks everyone, I love to see everyones blocks each week, how different they all look, great work, yes we are all getting better at these darn Y seams, and more to come
JanRN...you have mastered all those things you would have avoided 6 months ago. Really well done, beautiful blocks.
QNSue...I've modified where I can have fewer seams too. With the FC, I liked the checkered look but I did it by sewing strips of the alternating colors together, pressing well and cutting into the correct width.
Thanks all for your kind comments. You are all so very encouraging
Sew many ideas ... just sew little time!!
What beautiful blocks all.
anael, what great cowboy fabric. Nice job of FC.
QuiltingNinaSue, again your creativity shines. Flying clouds looks amazing! Love all the different fabrics in FS, especially the girl with pigtails. Great job on both!
mirabelle, oh such beautiful blocks and such nice work!
QuiltE, your FC makes me feel like I'm up in the sky. FS is just so cute! Great job on both. Love the blue sashing.
JeanieG, very pretty shades of blue you used in FC. I really like your FS. I can still see the star AND the block looks so different. Amazing how that happens. Nice job on both!
Gardnergal970, your FS reminds me of a beautiful field of wild flowers. FC looks just great, very pretty. I too had to keep my eye on which fabric went where.
JanRN, love the blue and white you used in FC, one of my favorite color combos, and great fussy cutting. The stars really are beaming in FS. Great job on both. I don't blame you about those dang Y seams.
My flying clouds is done and hope to have friendship star done today. Will post then.
here they are
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so many babies.. sew little quilts
DD love your blue colors.
Thanks Termi, for your kind words.
DDamsel ... another great pair!! Well done on the check within the tiny blocks. The beige in the FS print adds nicely to the mix and oh how that navy/white barbed wire pops the star out!
Termi ... they were fun to do. I'll be looking forward to seeing your pair when you are ready!
Sew many ideas ... just sew little time!!
Deranged Damsel - those blocks turned out beautiful. Especially like the dark blue in FS, wish my "star" had stood out in mine!
deranged_damsel, wow, beautiful blocks, nice job!
ok, I'm ready to leave these two blocks behind and go on to the next two.
Nicely done Termi!! ... Corners look all pointy and squared.
And look at those Lil Cowpokes and Indians a'singing and a'playin' along! A fun fabric for sure!!!
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Movie Review: Battle: Los Angeles
Movie Review: Battle Los Angeles
Director: Jonathan Liebesman Rating: PG-13 Studio: Sony Pictures Home Entertainment
Battle: Los Angeles is so loud, moronic and soulless that it almost makes Independence Day look better and better in retrospect. Yet another alien invasion movie set on the extraterrestrial-decimated streets of the City of Angels, this shooter video game disguised as a movie is all relentless shaky cam, faux Hurt Locker-esque "documentary" footage, groan-inducing dialogue, goofy performances and run-it-up-the-flag clichés the likes of which we haven't seen since the days when the king of the gung ho action flicks was John Wayne, that hyper patriotic chest-thumper who was a war hero only on film.
Directed by Jonathan Liebesman (The Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning) as if he were in the throes of a grand mal seizure, the plot has aggressive, unsightly aliens landing off the coasts of major international cities in search of water. With no cliché left unexploited, we have lantern-jawed Aaron Eckhart (who deserves way better) as the veteran Marine sergeant With A Past, Ramon Rodriguez as The Raw Recruit and Michelle Rodriguez as The Hardass the Air Force sent to rescue civilians stranded in a police station in what remains of Santa Monica. But, hey, they're only avatars as the flick lurches slowly and dully from one game level—oops, we mean action sequence—to another.
If Battle: Los Angeles, or last year's awfully similar Skyline, can't kill the endless wave of aliens-are-among-us movies then surely it must finally be crowned as The Genre That Would Not Die.
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Playboy Contributing Editor Stephen Rebello has written many Playboy Interview and 20 Questions features. He is the author of such books as the notorious Bad Movies We Love (with Edward Margulies) and Alfred Hitchcock and the Making of Psycho, the latter of which has inspired a dramatic feature film set for production in 2012. His most recent Playboy Interviews include Josh Brolin and Cameron Diaz.


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Emerging Markets Evening Roundup: Global Manufacturing Strength Boost EM
Good real-economy news come out of China, U.S. and Euro zone today. China August Manufacturing PMI came out stronger-than-expected. Activity in the U.S. factory sector rose to a five-month high. Euro zone manufacturing PMI is 26-month high.
iShares MSCI Emerging Makrets ETF (EEM) rose 1.6% mid-day.
Retail investors led the sell-offs in emerging markets. Wall Street Journal reports:
Since the start of June, retail investors have pulled $18.1 billion from emerging-market bond funds, about one-third of the amount they had put in since the financial crisis, according to fund tracker EPFR Global. By comparison, institutional investors have pulled $9.3 billion, or about 10% of their postcrisis inflows. The same pattern can be seen in the stock market
Turkey central bank unveiled new confusing measures to shore up lira. It involves four interest rates that shift funding costs daily and the bank will brief the public every morning. Economists say a plain vanilla policy works better.
Emerging Europe is looking like a winner, not having their currencies sold off.
Mexico's inflation rose more than expected in early August.


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I am often told that one of the things to look for before doing things like splits or installing Queen excluders is to have two full brood boxes. I have always wondered what exactly that term means. In a meeting last night I was told that it is more appropriate to say "two full boxes of bees".
My question is that since bees come and go depending on time of day and weather, how many frames of brood are required to meet the "two full brood boxes" criteria? I know a worker needs 21 days from the time the egg is layed to when she leave the brood cell so maybe the question is also ask as "how many frames does a great, good or inferior Queen lay in 21 days"?


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Only the support hand, if you roll the firing hand you have issues regarding trigger finger placement and natural point of aim....with the exception of "free pistols" which are all totally different than what Enos and Letham are shooting
In the combat grip pioneered by Brian Enos and Rob Leatham do both wrists roll or cant forward in pistol shooting or is it only the supporting wrist?
Are you using the double squeeze with this hold?I thought it was Jerry Barnett that invented it at a match he and Leatham were at,and he showed it to Rob the next day.He discovered it searching for a better hold,put his thumb on top of the safety and noticed how much room opened up on the grip.Rolling his support wrist gave more purchase on the grip to take advantage of it,he squeezed his strong hand front to back and the support hand into the grip panels.It works quite well.
I think I misspoke there ,I bet it was Todd and not Jerry,thanks for the post.It's been a long time since I've been in the scene and read the article about it.
Make Ready with Paul Howe: Tac Pistol Operator
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It sounds like he cants forward the firing hand wrist.
What you say makes sense, but a senior member of my pistol club keeps telling me to cant both wrists.
Take you gun, empty it and get the high firm pistol grip and then cam your wrist and watch what it does to your muzzle.
Here's an article on it: The Combat Handgun Grip - Handguns"I started experimenting with my right-hand grip by only pulling front to rear with my fingers and just letting my right thumb rest on top of the thumb safety with no downward pressure. Then I noticed how resting my right thumb on top of the thumb safety opened up the entire side of the left grip panel, and I wondered, 'What if I just put my left hand there?' I rotated my wrist forward and pointed my thumb straight ahead, and that got my left thumb off the side of the gun. With the support hand I just squeezed left to right. So I wound up with front-to-rear pressure with the right hand and side-to-side pressure with the left hand, and that gave me very consistent, even pressure all the way around the gun.
Read more: The Combat Handgun Grip - Handguns
and in "Practical Shooting - Beyond Fundamentals" you won't read anything about canting the firing hand. Watch any video of Enos, Letham, Jarrett, etc. and you won't see a cammed firing hand.
Right @ 6:43 of the Howe video you can see his firing hand is not canted. Ditto @ 15:43
Here's some picturea of Letham
No canted firing hand.
Again, no canted firing hand.
You'll see some mild variation of wrist to arm angle, and you'll have that depending on the grip angle of the firearm and in the case of pictures we don't have the advantage of knowing what exactly is being aimed at.
Again, take your gun, make sure it's unloaded and grip it and experiment on your own, you should see what I'm talking about pretty instantly. If you try to cam the firing hand in simlar fashion to the support hand, your natural point of aim is going to be at the floor a couple of feet in front of you.
Not the best photo in the world, but it's larger and I all ready have it....
Yours truly, no cammed firing hand. **Note, muzzle appears low as my "target" while sighting in was below normal line of sight**
Thanks very much VAMarine!
In relation to wrist locking a moderator on Brian Enos forum posted this:
Don't lock any joint when shooting. Any locked joint just transfers recoil to the next one, so instead of all your joints working together to absorb the recoil, you focus it into one place. It also tends to increase overall tension, usually if you lock your wrists, your elbows will be rigid too, now all the recoil goes to the shoulder where it is slower to recover from.
Keep in mind that while less flip is desirable, really the goal of recoil control is to precisely return the gun to point of aim....regardless of how high it lifted. In other words, recoil control is bidirectional, most see it as one direction; holding the gun down, when they should be working on a grip and stance that allows the gun to return on its own. When I shoot my best Bill drills for example, the gun really seems to move a lot, but always returns to point of aim with no perceived effort. It just drives back to the PoA.
I've found that serious competitive shooters/instructors favor the not locked wrist (keep in mind that new shooters with low experience may need to focus on "locking" the wrist to prevent limp wristing the gun) / not locked...in other words slighly bent elbows to help better control/mitigate recoil. This does work and when shooting a lot of major power factor loads is easier on the body.
It's also easier to run a gun in this fashion with some of the lighter competition loads. But you've got to develop the skills and ability to to ensure you've got the right mix of control to keep the gun functioning while not being too rigid.
Tactical shooters/instructors will still go with the locked out elbows/wrists for a couple of reasons.
1: If you limp wrist in a competition, you end up blowing a couple of seconds and end up in lower place...in a shoot out if you limp wrist, you end up dead.
2: While in a shootout, your going to be pushing that gun out as far as you can (provided its even possible to reach full extension) and your elbows are going to lock.
3: When searching around corners the slightly bent elbows are bad as they will "lead" you around the corner and announce your presence.
So if you're going to be shooting a lot of competition only stuff the loosey goosey stuff is good but if your're looking to shoot from a defensive/tactical standpoint you're going to want to be a little more rigid, unless you're shooting/training enough to to alter techniqes on demand and not revert to the wrong one by default.
That makes a lot of sense thanks again for all the information.


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Of course, you're probably here because the Surface 2, despite its myriad improvements, isn't a "real PC." Unlike that model's compromised Windows RT operating system, the Surface Pro 2 reviewed here runs the real-deal Windows 8.1, which includes full backwards compatibility with older Windows programs, not just the ones available in the Windows Store.
In addition to having the operating system edge on its non-Pro sibling, the Surface Pro 2 also packs some internal improvements compared to the first-generation Surface Pro. A new Intel fourth-generation Core i5 processor -- along with some internal system tweaking by Microsoft -- has delivered notably improved battery life. The Pro 2 lasted nearly 7 hours in our admittedly tough battery test, versus just 4.5 on the original. Still not MacBook Air territory, but it's a worthwhile leap. Sweetening the deal is the Surface's ingenious detachable keyboard cover (available in flat Touch and real-key Type versions, both now with a handy backlight), which remains miles ahead of anything else available for slate computing.
But a keyboard cover isn't included in the purchase price, even though it's frankly crazy to buy a Surface without one. That $120-$130 add-on makes the Surface Pro 2's $899 starting price feel illusory. Further, that $899 is only for a 64GB solid-state drive (SSD) version, less storage than you'll find in most similarly priced ultrabooks. For a more reasonable 128GB SSD version, it's $999, and when you add in a Type Cover, you're looking at an investment of over $1,100 just to get started with the Surface Pro 2.
The Surface Pro 2 is also entering a crowded market of Windows 8.1 PCs in all shapes and sizes that are either out now or coming soon. Among the closest competitor is Sony's comparably priced Sony Vaio Tap 11, which outshines the Surface Pro 2 in many ways -- it's thinner and lighter, despite having a slightly larger screen, and its included keyboard cover has a more traditional keyboard layout and a larger touch pad (that said, I like the magnetic clasp and wide kickstand of the Surface Pro 2 better).
In comparison, the still-chunky Surface Pro 2 is left feeling more like a Surface Pro 1.5, at least in terms of design. And yet, that may not be such a bad thing for Microsoft. The Surface Pro was intended from the beginning to show the way for PC makers to design and build better tablets, and it looks like that's actually starting to happen.
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The body of the Surface Pro 2 looks and feels almost exactly like the original version, and its measurements are the same. The body does have a couple of subtle changes, however. The logo branding on the back panel is different, reading "Surface" rather than "Microsoft," and the built-in kickstand now adjusts to two different angles, making the screen easier to see from different positions. The original one-size-fits-all kickstand made the screen hard to see and interact with unless you happened to be sitting at precisely the optimal angle.
At the same time as the Surface Pro 2, Microsoft is introducing another new product, the Surface 2. This is the updated Windows RT version of the original Microsoft Surface, and it features a slightly slimmer body, an updated Nvidia processor, and a higher-resolution screen than the original RT version of the Surface. The Surface 2 and Surface Pro 2 share the same screen now, and it's been color-tuned for greater accuracy. While the Surface Pro 2 still comes in a slatelike "dark titanium" color, the Windows RT Surface 2 is now a lighter, silver color called magnesium. Overall, while I think the Surface Pro 2 is the more useful product, I wish it had gotten the same design love as the RT version.
The best part of the original Surface line was its optional snap-on keyboards, and both have been updated. The Touch Cover has flat keys that work, but they offer less tactile feedback than serious typists need, while the Type Cover has island-style keys that are shallow, but still very usable.
The $119.99 Touch Cover 2 is about one-third thinner than the original version, but at the same time, more rigid for easier typing. The old system of one sensor under each key has been replaced with a full array of sensors, allowing partial keystrokes to be counted more easily and accurately, and supporting a handful of gestures.
The $129.99 Type Cover 2, with its full separate-key keyboard, is thinner as well, and remains one of the things people like best about the Surface. Its magnetic connection is powerful enough that you don't have to worry about it coming loose, and, while the closely packed keys take a little getting used to, it's comfortable and accurate for long-form typing. The touch pad is small, but responsive -- and you're clearly meant to use the touch screen for much of your navigation.
Microsoft has also shown off a second kind of Type Cover that includes an integrated battery. Only slightly thicker than the standard Type Cover, this would allow the systems to run even longer by combining the internal battery and the secondary keyboard battery, an idea already used in a handful of Windows 8 laptop-tablet hybrids. A $59 Bluetooth adapter for the keyboard covers (yes, it's an accessory for an accessory) will snap onto the top of the keyboard and allow you to use it remotely as a Bluetooth keyboard. In the not-sold-separately department, as with the original Surface Pro, you also get an active-stylus Surface Pen that magnetically attaches to the power connector for transport.
Again, both the Touch Cover 2 and Type Cover 2 are backlit. Especially for a system intended for frequent travel, as a tablet is presumed to be, a backlit keyboard is practically required, as you can easily end up in a dimly lit coffee shop, airplane, or meeting room.
The only real regret here is that the keyboard covers are not included with the $899-and-up Surface Pro 2, and remain an expensive add-on.


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Man survived avalanche, works to make sure others do the same
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - A Colorado Springs man who survived an avalanche now works to make sure others do the same.
Colorado Avalanche Information Center issued avalanche warnings Sunday for most of the central and northern mountains. It said slides may be very large and destructive.
Avalanches have taken to lives in Colorado this season. Skee Hipszky is one of the first to respond if someone is caught in an avalanche in El Paso County.
"You need to get to an avalanche victim within 20 minutes of initial burial to have a 50 percent survivability rate. That goes down exponentially the longer you are buried," said Hipszky.
Hipszky has volunteered with El Paso County Search and Rescue for more than 40 years. He was one of the first to respond to a deadly avalanche on Pikes Peak in 1995.
"We had four extreme skiers in April come off the summit of the peak on the east side, create an avalanche. One of them was killed out right, the other three survived," said Hipszky.
He knows what it's like to be caught in mother nature's path.
"We had come over the top of a cornice and then the third or fourth person over the top triggered the avalanche," said Hipszky. "It was like sand running all over you and it just kind of flowed over you. I was buried about halfway through."
Variations in temperature and snow consistency can lead to avalanches. As temperatures flucuate and wind picks up, powder snow can be caught between hard layers of snow. Hipszky described it as sand caught between two pieces of glass.
"It creates depth hoar, which is very lose, it's snow without the flake-part so it's become very unstable, it's like sand," said Hipszky.
Stormtracker 13 meteorologist Jay Polk explained reasons behind this recent set of avalanche warnings across the state.
"Avalanche warnings will come in when you have a heavy snowpack and you have high winds and that's the case this time," said Polk.
Hipszky said back country bound snowmobilers, snowshoers, skiers and snowboarders need to check snow conditions before heading out the door.
Colorado Avalanche Information Center provides daily updates on snow conditions on its website.
Colorado Springs REI is offering a free avalanche awareness workshop on Feb. 20 from 6 pm to 8 pm.


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Unbeaten MI-Buhl edges Patriots 72-71
The Pequot Lakes girls' basketball team was edged 72-71 by the visiting Mountain Iron-Buhl Rangers, unbeaten and the No. 2 ranked team in Class A, in a non-conference game Thursday, Dec. 20.
The Patriots, 6-2 overall, are scheduled to face Sebeka in the first game of the Walker-Hackensack-Akeley Wolfpack tournament at 4:15 p.m. Thursday, Dec. 27.
"It was a great game, and we have nothing to hang our heads about," said Pequot Lakes coach Jon Dale. "I'm proud the way the girls rose to the occasion after we were down 24-11, and then we went on a 14-0 run to eventually lead 36-28 at the half."
The Patriots were playing without one of their top scorers in Katie White, who suffered an ankle fracture in a victory over Pine River-Backus on Tuesday, Dec. 18.
"We played our hearts out with Katie (White) on the bench," Dale said. "And we had a chance to win it."
Dale added that Hailey Wiebolt and Brittny Bzdok each had increased playing time because of the injury.
"I didn't like it," White said about watching from the bench. "Sitting on the bench is way too intense, but our girls did a great job."
Because of White's injury, the Patriots joined MI-B with young lineups. Pequot Lakes started two freshmen while the Rangers started two eighth graders.
"We're both young teams, and should have some great battles in the years to come," said MI-B head coach Jeff Buffeta.
The second half was close almost the entire way. The Rangers did take a 72-70 lead with 10 seconds remaining. Jessica Kreitz was then fouled with 4/10ths of a second remaining. She missed the first free throw, but made the second attempt to make it a one-point final score.
Vanessa Lane led scoring with 23 points while Kayla Miller had 22 and Bzdok 12.
MI-Buhl 28 44 — 72
Pequot Lakes 36 35 — 71
Allie Knuti 20, Kathy Ostman 10, Laura Ostman 11, Chelsea Mason 9, Sarah Overbye 7, Mya Buffetta 15. FG 24-64 (37 percent), FT 19-23 (82 percent).
Hayley Wiebolt 7, Brittny Bzdok 12, Vanessa Lane 23, Kayla Miller 22, Jessica Kreitz 7. FG 29-57 (51 percent), FT 13-23 (56 percent).
Patriots 59, PR-Backus 38
Miller topped all scorers with 17 points to lead Pequot Lakes to a non-conference win over rival Pine River-Backus on Tuesday, Dec. 18.
It's the ninth-straight victory over the Patriots over the Tigers. The last time the Tigers defeated Pequot Lakes was Feb. 3, 2007.
The Patriots broke the game open with an 11-0 run late in the first half to assume a 25-18 advantage.
"(PR-B) played us tough at the start," Dale said, "but we had a nice run to end the first half, and we pulled away with a strong second half. We really played well defensively, and our girls picked it up off the bench."
The Tigers, who entered the game with just one loss, jumped to an 8-2 lead. The Patriots eventually tied it 12-12 on Katie White's 3-point basket. PR-B regained an 18-14 lead on layups by Megan Felthous and Journee Howard, but the Tigers would then go scoreless for the final five minutes of the half. Meanwhile, Pequot Lakes built a lead highlighted by a layup by Vanessa Lane, a 3-point shot by White and a basket by Jessica Kreitz.
The Patriots led 29-23 four minutes into the second half. But that's when the hosts went on a 25-1 run to open a 54-24 advantage with 6:24 remaining. Kayla Miller had eight points during that run, including scoring on an impressive assist by Wiebolt.
Pequot Lakes maintained the lead through the final minutes as reserves from both teams took the court. One of the late highlights was Kelsey Hart scoring her first points as she swished a long jumper. One other key development in the second half was a severe sprained ankle suffered by White.
Speaking of injuries, PR-B's all-time scoring leader Tatum Sheeley didn't play against the Patriots. She has been out all season with a knee injury, and is expected back soon.
"We hope to have Tatum back right after Christmas when we host Barnum (Dec. 29)," said PR-B coach Randy Schwegel.
White added 11 points and Kreitz 10 for the Patriots. Brittany Kelley led the Tigers, 4-2 overall, with 11 points.
The Pequot Lakes junior varsity girls improved to 7-0 overall with a 40-23 victory over PR-B. Kelsey Hart and Catie Ryan each had 13 points while Haley Wiebolt had six, Morgan Lohmiller four and Emilee Buell and Laura Squires each with two. Ashley Anderson led the Tigers with eight. The Patriots led 26-7 at the half.
The Pequot Lakes seventh- and eighth-grade teams also triumphed against PR-B to improve to 4-0 overall. The seventh-grade led 25-4 at intermission and won 45-17 behind Karli Skog's 19 points, 11 by Maggie Miska and eight by Brianna Sewall.
The eighth graders led 30-7 at the break on way to a 52-17 win behind 16 points from Sam Littman 12 by Corina Rudd and eight by Elsa Headlee.
Pine River-Backus 18 20 — 38
Pequot Lakes 25 34 — 59
Kendra Brasel 2, Brooke Richards 2, Megan Porta 1, Brittany Kelley 11, Megan Felthous 8, Journee Howard 6, Autumn Ackerman 8. FG 15-35 (43 percent), FT 8-12 (67 percent).
Hayley Wiebolt 2, Brittny Bzdok 4, Kelsey Hart 2, Vanessa Lane 9, Emilee Buell 4,Katie White 11, Kayla Miller 17, Jessica Kreitz 10. FG 26-49 (53 percent), FT 4-10 (40 percent).


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Very nice and cheerful!
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Really pretty--using a jelly roll really gives a coordinated quilt color-wise. thanks for sharing.
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I love this and it gives me an idea of what to do with some dotted fat quarters I have!
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Arcos da Lapa view for 3 people
Maksimum Konuk Sayısı3
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Boyut30 metrekare
Floor No.11(with elevator)
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Accommodation summary
|Av Gomes Freire, 20231015 Rio de Janeiro, Brezilya
|Mülkiyet türü
|Referans kodu
|Acceptance rate
|Response time
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|Calendar updated
Ev kuralları-No smoking in the apartment.
-We must respect the rules of the building.
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|TRY 58 misafir başına/ekstra gece
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A good appartment for a good price. Not very big, but everything you need is included and from a perfect quality. The Lapa district is not very dangerous, however it is always recommendable to only walk in crowded places.
There are a lot of beautiful sites to see near this appartment. But also there is a busstop almost in front of the appartment and the subway is on a good walking distance.
Appartment in Rio Lapa ist für 2 Personen geeignet. Aussicht wunderbar über Lapa. Einrichtung der Wohnung heruntergekommen, Fenster defekt. Jedoch jetzt während der WM total überteuert. Dafür hätten wir im benachbarten Hotel 2 Einzelzimmer mit Frühstück bekommen. Am Eingang lagen die Penner vor der Türe.
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A very nice appartment situated close to the Metro. The appartment is clean and well functioning.
We enjoyed our stay in Rio and felt well and safe in the appartement.
Everything was as described in the announcement. The room was clean and tidy; WiFi, power, gas and water were running (well, maybe the water was a little bit cold, but we don't care). Check-in/-out made no problems and all people from "Andrea's team" were very friendly and helpful.
We are satisfied with our decision to chose this appartement and would book again in the future!
Thanks for all, greetings from Germany!
Really enjoyed our stay in Andreas studio in Lapa. Very convenient for exploring historic places, excellent food and music venues nearby. Great view from window. Collection of key easy from friendly helpful door person always there. The apartment is roomy, good TV, very basic fittings, very small shower and bathroom, bed ok. Excellent wifi.
Studio apartment that could remind you more of a hotel room than an apartment. Great location, 7 minutes walk to Arcos da Lapa, 10 minutes walk to Cinelandia Metro Station. The beds could have been better and there is no pressure in the shower. In my mind it's a bit overpriced. I reckon you will get cheaper options elsewhere.
A nice, cozy and clean apartment in amazing Lapa. We had no problem whatsoever and we enjoyed a lot our stay. Thank you!
great location, police station just next door
I recommed highly this apartent to everyone!
Andrea is a very good host! My flight arrived 5am to Rio de Janeiro but no problem, she had arranged keys to the door man, so I got some sleep straight away! Same with the check out; it was no problem to stay a bit longer! :)
The studio itself is small, but very functional: you have all you need to have a comfortable stay! A wifi that works all the time, kitchenette and a huge fridge for your daily dosage of beer! ;)
It is also nicely situated in Lapa; Rua dos Invalidos isn't too busy and you have markets and bars all very close! Arcos da Lapa is some six minutes away by walking and Centro is also close! Buses to Copacabana and Ipanema are 150 metres away on Rua Riachuelo!
All together this is a very nice and preferable option to any hotel with many advantages!
I hope you enjoy your stay too!
after staying in rio week befour i found out lapa is dangerous place to be haveing seen another safer location advertised by the same host i asked host could i swap apartment and location based on i found out lapa was unsafe area the host told me it wasnt possible as it was already taken yet the next say it was still advertised - when i pointed this out to host i didnt get a reply ! so i decided to book hotel - i felt host didnt care about my safety and even paying the differance in price with apartment wasnt enough for host no refund was even offered to me -
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