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Answer: The great news is, there are so many ways for a household to save on produce to stretch their food budget.
First and foremost, you want to buy in season. It is important to know which produce items are in season, and to stock up then since they will be at their lowest price all year. For example, squash tends to be on sale during the fall, and strawberries and watermelon in the summer. When an item is in season, there is a plethora of it and growers are able to offer it for less. Do your research and know which month brings which produce and buy accordingly.
Next, stock up when your favorite produce is on sale. You can always freeze or can what you are unable to use before it goes bad! If you see a great price on bananas, grapes, apples, etc., then stock up and buy in bulk. There are plenty of ways to preserve them or use them in alternate recipes.
Always look for alternate sources such as local farmers markets and food co-ops. You will be able to find great deals on fresh and local food. Plus, the money stays in the pockets of local growers! You can also find discounts on produce they need to move quickly since they need to bring fresh stock each week. You can even opt to buy in bulk at warehouse stores such as Sam's Club and Costco. If you have a membership, why not price the produce out and see what sort of value you can get?
During peak seasons, why not pick your own? There are many u-pick farms that you and your family can visit and pick your own produce for pennies on the dollar. It is fun and inexpensive entertainment and a great way to get a stockpile of produce.
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Florida State University philosopher Michael Ruse has spent a career observing the ongoing cultural struggle between evolutionists and creationists. A prolific author and founder of the journal Biology and Philosophy, Ruse himself favors evolution but is quick to flag instances of hypocrisy and overzealousness in both positions.
In his latest book, The Evolution-Creation Struggle, Ruse calls for both sides to understand the assumptions underlying their arguments and to appreciate the intellectual history of their positions, to foster "a more informed and self-aware approach to the issues" in an increasingly fractious and impatient debate.
American Scientist Online managing editor Greg Ross interviewed Ruse by e-mail in August 2005.
You trace the worldviews connected with evolution and creationism to two different conceptions of the millennium in Christian eschatology. Can you sketch those briefly?
In my book, I trace the present conflict between evolutionists and creationists back to the Enlightenment. I argue that at the beginning of the 18th century there was something of a crisis of faith—could it be that God does not exist? (This is not my discovery, but a pretty standard position in history of Christianity studies.) There were two basic responses—back to God and faith, Providence, and forward with reason and human knowledge, Progress. Again, not my discovery. This explains on the one hand the rise of Methodism and Pietism, the First Great Awakening in America and so forth, and on the other hand the French philosophes like Voltaire and Diderot, as well as the British (often Scottish) thinkers like Adam Smith and David Hume. Evolution became part and parcel of the Progressivist movement, especially in people like Lamarck and Erasmus Darwin.
Both sides were obsessed about the future—the faith types about what God expects of us and what he promises (heaven or hell), the reason types with how much better we humans can make society and knowledge and so forth. Future obsessions like these are known as eschatological, especially when you put them in a theological/religious context. The point is—and, again, not my discovery—although the 18th-century debate was peculiar unto itself, the eschatology fit into already-existing categories. These revolve around the last book of the Bible, Revelation, where the talk is of a thousand-year period (the millennium)—a good period here on earth—followed by the Last Judgment.
Premillennialists think that Jesus is going to return before the millennium to lead his troops. At that point, the good are in luck and the bad are not. Hence, what we people now should do is prepare for this coming—get morally pure and so forth, and try to convert others. There is no human-driven future beyond this point, and, frankly, trying to put the world to rights now is impossible (due to original sin) and pointless. Postmillennialists think that Jesus will come only after the millennium, and hence we have the obligation now to try to prepare for the millennium—to make the ideal world a reality. Sitting around and waiting is not the way to go—rather, roll up your sleeves and use your God-given talents to make things better. When you have done this, then Jesus will come.
So evolution was in the thick of things from the beginning. Not so much because it went against the literal reading of the Bible, but because it was allied with one rather than another reading of the Bible. But then, as the years went by, and into the 19th century, ideas evolved and positions hardened. The premillennialists (especially in America) became more literalist. The postmillennialists (again, especially in America) became more metaphorical. Both sides continued as ardent eschatologists—that was not the issue. The question was about what the future was going to be like and what our obligations now are.
After the U.S. Civil War and the arrival of Darwin's On the Origin of Species, things really started to get set in stone, with evolution at some level at the center of things. But I argue that, in a way, evolution was more effect than cause—or, if you like, it is a litmus test. No one lies awake worrying about gaps in the fossil record. They do lie awake worrying whether "Jesus is going to choose me." And "What I should do to get on his right side?"
Also, an important part of my book is to distinguish between what I call evolution and what I call evolutionism. At one level, it is all kinds of evolution that are involved—today's creationists hate regular Darwinism as is done in the biology departments of the nation. But at another level, I distinguish the straight science from a kind of postmillennial world picture, where the supposed progressiveness of evolutionary change is put up front. Back in the 18th century I don't think there was too much difference between evolution and evolutionism, but later, thanks to Darwin, such a separation became possible. I argue that even today evolutionism flourishes, and a conclusion of my book is not that we should eschew evolutionism, but that we should distinguish it from straight evolutionary theorizing and not do the one when we claim to be doing the other.
Has this conflict turned evolutionary biology into a secular religion? You note that even Richard Dawkins calls himself a zealot now.
I don't think so. In a way, as you will have seen from my answer above, I think it has always been a secular religion, and one of the great achievements of professional evolutionists (like R. A. Fisher and Theodosius Dobzhansky) was to make it possible to have an evolutionary biology that was not a secular religion.
Actually, I want to be somewhat more nuanced than this. Someone like Diderot was an atheist, so for him evolution was always secular. Someone like Erasmus Darwin was a deist—God as unmoved mover—so for him evolution was part of this general picture. (It was not so much that evolution was a religion, but that evolution was part of his religion.) Then, as the 19th century grew older, we had people like Thomas Henry Huxley, keen agnostics, and for them evolutionary ideas gave a theoretical background to their world picture. But again, one often needs to separate individuals. Was evolution a secular religion for Huxley? Perhaps more so than not. Was evolution a secular religion for Herbert Spencer? I would say yes, definitely.
In the 20th century we have people like Julian Huxley and, today, Edward O. Wilson, who I would say treat evolution as a secular religion. Not just this—they were/are professional scientists—but at least in part they are secular humanists with evolution at the center of their theology. It gives a world picture, it gives moral directives, and so forth. Then we have Christians like Dobzhansky and Teilhard de Chardin, for whom evolution is part and parcel of their Christianity—today we have someone like Jack Haught, the theologian at Georgetown University.
Dawkins is an interesting case. If being deeply interested in and committed to these various issues counts as religious—as well as having strong moral feelings (especially about the wickedness of existing religion)—then I would say he is religious. He reminds me a bit of Calvin. More than this, he clearly thinks that his Darwinism is incompatible with Christianity, so it does have theological implications. On the other hand, he does not want to tie in the course of nature with morality—as did Julian Huxley and as does Ed Wilson—so I would be hesitant to call him a secular humanist or whatever, as I would them.
Don't forget that terms like religious are terms that can stretch and can support different usages. I grew up as a Quaker. I think of it as a religion, and I expect the IRS does too. But I am not sure what the Pope thinks of Quakerism—or the creationists, for that matter. No creed, no baptism, no Bible reading, no church buildings, no ministers, no communion. Can this really be Christianity?
Does this controversy arise in other major world religions? We hear a lot about Muslims, but what about Judaism or Hinduism?
I would say that the evolution-creation debate is fundamentally one of Science and Christianity. Evolution was developed in a Christian society and defines itself against Christianity—origins, place of humans, adaptation and so forth. The two systems ask the same questions, even though they give different answers (that is, different answers if you take a literalist position). So I don't really see this as an issue for Jews or others. Having said this, there is clearly overlap between Christianity and the other theistic religions—Judaism and Islam—so one expects there to find some of the same issues arising, and they do. Really orthodox Jews tend to be literalists and not to care for evolution. (I stress, many orthodox Jews happily accept evolution, as do many conservative Christians.)
Frankly, I am not an expert on world religions, so really cannot say too much about Hinduism or the other religions of the East. But my sense is that this is really not their fight. I suppose that to the extent that they make claims about history that they think cannot be modified, then they are going to be against evolution. But if (as I think) you can be a Darwinian and a Christian, I don't see why you could not be a Darwinian and a Buddhist. Transmigration of souls is really not a natural phenomenon at all.
Why are these divisions so starkly drawn in the United States? America is a world leader in scientific research, but nearly half its citizens believe that God created humans within the last 10,000 years.
Well, this is precisely one of the questions I try to speak to in the book, although again I stress that in major part I am synthesizing and drawing on the work of others. Really one goes back to the founding of the nation in the 17th century and the vital role that religion—the Protestant reformed religion—played in the country. In a way, after the Revolution, one might have thought that religion would decline. Most of the founding fathers were deists or less—Jefferson, Franklin, even Washington did not take communion. But this was not to be so—the new country needed norms and guides, and the Protestant preachers stepped up to the plate. They and their strongly Bible-based religion filled the gaps that were there because the old structures and norms had been rejected.
The Civil War now becomes absolutely crucial. Basically, afterward, the North became the home of postmillennialism, and the South (and increasingly the rural West—not the far West) became the home of premillennialism. This fit with general attitudes and statuses. The North had won; it was industrial and forward-looking—so the aim was to create heaven here on earth. Science was important, and given the central status of evolutionary speculations (remember, as a litmus test), this was the way that people went. The South had lost, and so turned to the Bible for consolation—why God afflicts his favorites and so forth—and, missing out on the progress of the North, turned more and more to issues like personal behavior and so forth.
I argue that we are still living with this divide—America so successful scientifically and yet America so religious, and literally so. It is the red-versus-blue-state syndrome. There are various reasons, of course, why the divide continued through the 20th century, stemming from the success of certain dedicated individuals, through to external issues. There is no doubt that the Cold War and the Bomb made many think that the end was nigh. If you look at Billy Graham's preaching in the 1950s, this is his repeated theme. Now, of course, we have 9/11 and the threat of terrorism. These are scary times, and people look for comfort—comfort in stark and simple messages. That, I think, accounts in major part for the success of all of those End Times novels.
You were a state witness in a landmark 1981 test case in which a federal judge struck down an Arkansas state law that permitted the teaching of "creation science." How do you view the recent campaigns against teaching evolution, in Kansas and elsewhere?
Basically, I think that there are two levels to this. One is the ground fights going on in Kansas and Pennsylvania and elsewhere, fueled by disputes at school board levels, over teaching Intelligent Design and so forth in schools. I think that this will be an ongoing seesaw, with success often depending on who gets out the votes at election time. I suspect that beneath the surface a lot of schools are simply teaching creationism, and no one reports it because no one is unhappy with the situation. (Eugenie Scott at the National Center for Science Education puts the figure of those teaching ID or something like it at quite a high level—more than 10 percent, certainly, and perhaps much higher. Many, perhaps most, schools simply leave origins out of the equation altogether.)
The other level is the Supreme Court—if this gets more conservative, and this looks probable these days, then by, say, 2010 I see a majority agreeing to the teaching at least of ID. Already there are three votes (Rehnquist, Scalia and Thomas).
I am simply not sure what we can do explicitly about this, except elect a Democratic president and hope the damage has not yet become irreversible. (Note, incidentally, that the big issue over the present Supreme Court candidate [John Roberts] is where he stands on abortion. To my knowledge, no one has yet mentioned evolution. Again, this supports my hunch that evolution in a way is a bit of a side issue, except for those with real apocalyptic concerns—it is a litmus test for general attitudes. A Pew study I use in the book shows how one has a cluster of beliefs about one's religious position—rarely is it just one issue at a time.)
One thing that does worry me is the belief by many Darwinians, especially, that their position implies atheism. If it does, then I think the creationists have a good point—Darwinism is getting close to religion, or at least to implications about religion. In which case, does it not violate the constitutional separation of church and state? My personal response has been to write a book (Can a Darwinian Be a Christian?) arguing that Darwinism does not imply atheism—it does not imply God, either, but that is another matter.
I don't want people like Richard Dawkins to be banned from arguing that Darwinism implies atheism, but I do wish that people like him would bother to learn some Christian theology before they presume to pontificate. Dawkins would be rightly pissed off if someone criticized Darwinism without knowing anything about, say, selfish gene theory.
You've studied this controversy for years, and you openly side with the Darwinians. Why? Have you always held this view?
Well, first of all, I am English-born (lived most of my life in Canada), and I come from a Quaker background. For me, it was simply assumed that science and religion could coexist. The thought that Genesis might be true literally was—and is—nutty. I studied the physical sciences as a student—my undergraduate degree is in mathematics. So I really came somewhat late to biology and evolution, in my mid-20s—not that I was a creationist or anything, but I was not interested in or informed about biology. Then, when I did start looking at the issues—in main part because I was looking for a thesis topic—I found them conceptually fascinating. Also, this was the time (the 1960s) when Thomas Kuhn was telling philosophers of science that they must study the history of science. I loved looking into Darwin and all of that—I am a bit of a fanatic about Dickens and Anthony Trollope and so forth.
So I fit right into evolutionary thinking, and for me Darwinism was the only way to go. Is this because I am English? Perhaps. Certainly natural theology, which is very English, helped—I was used to looking at adaptations as marvels of organic engineering. Again in the 1970s, when the human sociobiology controversy blew up, I was inclined to go with the Darwinians like Ed Wilson. I had grown up with people like Julian Huxley on the telly, and it never occurred to them that one could not be a good socialist unless one repudiated the influence of the genes on human nature. So again, there I was, a hard-line Darwinian, and still am to this day. In 1981 I wrote a book called Darwinism Defended, and I have a new one to come out next year called Darwinism and Its Discontents. The discontents for me lie not in the theory but in its critics.
Does this make me a religious fanatic? I don't think so. I am not that keen on the notion of evolutionary progress, and I don't think you can get morality from the course of evolution. Also, I don't hate Christianity—I am a nonbeliever, but coming from a Christian background it is hard to hate Christianity.
In The Evolution-Creation Struggle I try to give the creationists' positions fairly and with historical sympathy. That, I think, is the obligation of the scholar. Also, I do suggest that my fellow evolutionists often exacerbate the problems and that they should be more careful in what they say and not so hostile to all those with whom they differ. I fully expect to be raked over the coals for this. Already, in this week's Science, there is a review that is less than favorable. My attitude is that I have earned the credit, and now I am spending it. What I have to say needs saying—I really am scared that ID will get legal endorsement for its teaching in schools—and I almost uniquely can say it. I have impeccable credentials as a creationism fighter and as a gung-ho Darwinian. So here I stand, I can do no other. (That is a nice quote—maybe I should patent it!)
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Redmond offers free online 'virtual school'
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REDMOND, Ore. - The Redmond School District has unveiled Redmond K-12 Online, a new program for the 2013-14 school year.
Redmond K-12 Online is the district's first virtual school that will be offered as a no-cost option. The online program will be available to kindergarten through grade 12 as a full-time option.
Students will have access to more than 600 courses, as well as a dedicated local mentor who will support them throughout the duration of the school year.
Those enrolled in the program will be connected to their assigned neighborhood school and will have the opportunity to participate in district activities, clubs and athletics.
The district will be hosting information sessions for parents and families interested in the program:
• Thursday, March 14, 10:30-11:30 a.m. at Ridgeview High School Skybox
• Thursday, March 14, 6:30-7:30 p.m. at Ridgeview High School Skybox
• Wednesday, March 20, 10:30-11:30 a.m. at Redmond School District Offices
• Thursday, March 21, 6:30-7:30 p.m. at Redmond School District Offices
"Students have many needs, and some require different learning environments," said Superintendent Mike McIntosh. "Redmond K-12 Online supports the needs of those who desire the virtual classroom but want to remain socially active in their assigned neighborhood school."
Those interested in participating are encouraged to enroll during the March 1 through April 1 open enrollment period. For questions or more information about Redmond K-12 Online, contact Mike Nye, Online School Coordinator, at 541-923-8928 or visit www.redmondk12online.org.
The Redmond School District serves more than 7,000 students from Redmond, Alfalfa, Crooked River Ranch, Eagle Crest, Terrebonne and Tumalo.
The district currently operates five K-5 elementary schools; two K-8 community schools, two middle schools, one charter school, one educational center and two comprehensive high schools.
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Last January, when America Online announced its plan to absorb the Time Warner media empire, The New York Times quoted one marveling observer as follows: "The nerds have won. This deal really validates the Internet." The comment left me thoroughly puzzled, because my own first reaction to the merger agreement had been exactly the opposite. For me the news inspired no visions of teeshirted nerds marching triumphantly through Hollywood or liberating Madison Avenue from the tyranny of suits; the nerds I imagined were gnashing their teeth at the prospect of more commercial clutter on the Web and more "portals" to the Internet that open only at the command of proprietary software. What the merger seemed to validate was the idea of the Net as virtual movie theater and shopping mall, which is not a notably nerdish vision.
Of course it all comes down to the question of who's a nerd. The commentator quoted by the Times was David Readerman, a San Francisco investment banker. From his point of view, the managers of America Online may well appear to be hard-core nerds. Compared with their counterparts at Time Warner, perhaps they are. America Online represents the "new media"—meaning the Internet and all its accoutrements—whereas Time Warner is (or was) a bastion of "old media"—television, film, ink-and-paper publishing.
From another point of view, however, America Online is the very antithesis of nerdishness. Veterans of the "real" Internet reserve their most withering contempt for America Online newbies, who are assumed to be technically inept as well as ignorant of all the customs and lore of the Net. In certain forums, an aol.com address brands you a "hopeless luser." (I am doubtless guilty of such snobbery myself, although I must also state for the record that I have an AOL account.) Given the company's online reputation as the last refuge of the clueless, it seems bizarre to send America Online marching forth as the standard-bearer of the nerds. When the merger plan was reported at the Slashdot Web site (whose slogan is "News for nerds"), there was certainly no victory celebration.
The rhetoric of warfare between nerds and suits can get comically overblown, as if this were some cosmic struggle between the defenders of civilization and the barbarian hordes (it's never clear which is which). In fact, if the conflict exists at all, the outcome will surely not be conquest by either side but cultural assimilation of both. America Online and the hundreds of other glittering new dot-com companies are not decimating the nerds; they're enriching them. At the same time, the influx of grad students with stock options has got to alter corporate culture. But whether the mechanism of change is war or intermarriage, the effect on the Internet is equally profound. Hence this seems to be a good occasion for reflecting on where computer networks have come from and where they might be taking us. Does the future of the Internet lie in mass entertainment and marketing, or can it also remain a medium for scholarly and scientific exchange? Is there life beyond the com domain?
Recently I submitted the phrase "Death of the Internet as we know it" to the Web search engine called Google. The top three hits were the main welcoming pages of the Netscape Corporation (now a division of America Online), of Microsoft and of Amazon.com. I have no idea what to make of this curious result. But I do know that the Internet-as-we-know-it has long been on the edge of apocalypse. "Imminent death of the Net predicted!" was already a running joke 20 years ago.
There was always a catastrophe on the horizon. The hardware infrastructure would overload and blow a fuse. The government (which paid the bills in the early days) would lose interest and pull the plug. Or else the government would take too close an interest and strangle the Net with regulations and fees. Or malefactors would bring it down with software viruses. But the hazard cited most frequently was death by boredom and exasperation. Every generation of Net newbies—even before America got Online—was accused of driving down the signal-to-noise ratio; when it reached zero, the prediction ran, everyone would finally log off and go to bed.
The fact that the Net has survived—and indeed now exhibits extraordinarily robust health —should give pause to doomsayers. Clearly we are dealing with a highly resilient structure. But if the Net has survived challenges, it has also been transformed by them. Nothing about it remains unchanged, save a few of the most deeply entrenched software protocols. And the changes to the social context of the Net have been just as thoroughgoing as those to its technological underpinnings.
It's worth remembering that the earliest ancestor of the Internet, called the ARPANET, was not intended as a medium of communication at all—at least not communication between people. When the first few nodes were wired together around 1970, the network's primary function was providing long-distance access to computer hardware. The first "killer app" was Telnet, which allowed a research worker in Cambridge or Salt Lake City to run programs on a machine in Los Angeles or Ann Arbor. After Telnet came the file transfer protocol (FTP), which made it easier to move data from one machine to another.
Person-to-person communication was an afterthought. The first crude facilities for electronic mail evolved out of FTP in 1972 and 1973. Mail didn't get a protocol of its own until a decade later. An early ARPANET report described e-mail as "unplanned, unanticipated, and mostly unsupported" (Frank Heart et al., cited in Janet Abbate's Inventing the Internet, page 109). E-mail caught on nonetheless, and for a time it made up the largest single category of network traffic. Software for managing mailing lists soon made mail more than a one-to-one medium. And starting in the early 1980s the Usenet news system provided another medium for online chit-chat. Eventually it became clear that the main value of the Net was not connecting people to machines but connecting people to people.
All this happened long before Tim Berners-Lee dreamed up the World Wide Web. The Internet and its institutional predecessors had already been running for two full decades, and had become the focus of a substantial community and culture, when the first Web site went on the air. That site was at the CERN physics laboratory in Geneva, where Berners-Lee had created the Web as a mechanism for sharing documents such as software user manuals. But the name he gave the project suggests that he had grander ambitions from the outset—and those ambitions have certainly been fulfilled. The Web has become truly world wide and is arguably the fastest-spreading technology in human history. At least three-fourths of all the traffic on the Internet is now Web traffic. (For many recent recruits to Net life, the Web is the Internet; they have never had occasion to initiate a Telnet or FTP session.)
At the beginning of 1970 the ARPANET was made up of just four nodes, or host machines. A decade later the number of hosts was still only about 200; a true Net weenie could know them all. But by 1990 the number of Internet hosts had grown to roughly 300,000, and in January of 2000 the host count reached 72 million. Meanwhile, in less than a decade and starting from nothing, the Web accumulated a billion documents.
If the Internet has come a long way in the past 10 years, so also has America Online. People who know the company only in its present imperial splendor may not realize just how modestly it began. AOL was launched in 1989 as a dial-up service directed exclusively to users of Apple Macintosh computers. (I was a charter subscriber.) The Macintosh community was an attractive niche at the time because other segments of the market were already occupied by better-established services such as CompuServe, The Source, Delphi, GEnie and Dialog.
America Online didn't stay in its niche for long. By carpet-bombing the country with free floppy disks (and later CD-ROMs) they signed up a million members by 1994 and added another million the next year. Their dominance of the dial-up market was unchallenged after 1998, when they acquired what was left of CompuServe, once the strongest of the rivals. The CompuServe name survives ignominiously as AOL's bargain brand.
A bigger question than how AOL overtook its competitors is how it has managed to survive—and thrive—in the era of the Web. Five years ago, if anyone had asked me to predict the fate of America Online, I would have answered with total confidence: Doom and oblivion. (So much for my business acumen. Look elsewhere for your stock tips.) It seemed obvious that none of the proprietary services could hold out against the momentum of the Internet, which opened up a garden of collective riches that no single organization could ever duplicate. America Online offered its subscribers an encyclopedia, but the Internet plugged you into all the world's universities and laboratories.
What I overlooked, of course, was the possibility that AOL could become the Internet. By simply linking its own private servers to the wider network, it offered subscribers both a familiar, protected environment and an opportunity to explore more widely—the encyclopedia plus the university. Nerds may sneer, but AOL has become the largest Internet service provider, with more than 20 million customers, an order of magnitude bigger than its nearest competitor. The merger with Time Warner (itself the product of several mergers) will make the new company a formidable organization by any standard. At the time of the merger announcement, AOL Time Warner was expected to become the fourth-largest corporation in the world, as measured by the total value of outstanding stock.
The idea that an upstart company such as AOL could come to overshadow all the stalwart industrial giants of a century ago—General Motors and AT&T and the remnants of Standard Oil—is disorienting. Seeing AOL become the pre-eminent Internet company gives me an even dizzier sensation of the world turned topsy turvy. I must reach for a literary analogy. In Marcel Proust's vast novel A La Recherche du Temps Perdu, the Verdurin family are introduced as tasteless nouveaux riches so ignorant of Parisian society that they don't even realize they are outcasts, snubbed by such luminaries as the Guermantes family. One of the novel's big jokes—you have to wait 3,000 pages for the punchline—is that Madame Verdurin winds up presiding over the capital's most exclusive salon; and, through the magic of remarriage, she is transformed into Princesse de Guermantes. AOL's trajectory is no less astonishing.
Having large corporations hold the deed to a major tract of cyberspace cannot help but change the nature of the Internet. But cultural change was already under way when America Online arrived.
Histories of the early Internet and Usenet describe a community suffused by a distinctive ethos—an improbable mixture of the Wild West and the Peace Corps. On the one hand, the people who built the Net were fiercely competitive; these were gunslinger programmers who wanted to notch up a reputation for writing the best code on the planet. At the same time, the whole enterprise depended on cooperation and a spirit of volunteerism. The supreme achievement, and the way to win your colleagues' admiration, was to build something that others found useful. The community was held together by shared goals and values; for example, network bandwidth was treated as a public trust to be conserved. And even though many of the ARPANET pioneers were subject to the Pentagon's chain of command, there was a powerful streak of antiauthoritarian sentiment. The group's governance was based on "rough consensus and working code." (It remains to be seen whether the same model of government will work for the larger, international bodies that now control parts of the Internet.)
Hacker culture is not extinct. Code-slingers still exist. No doubt some of them work for America Online. A good place to find them in large numbers is at meetings of the North American Network Operators Group, the only trade convention I know where the seats in the auditorium are wired for Ethernet, so that attendees can plug in their laptops and remain online throughout the proceedings. But this inner circle of Net intelligentsia is unknown and invisible to most of us. Far more conspicuous are the new barons of e-commerce, the dot-com billionaires.
Ironically, in the ancien régime of the Net, the one forbidden activity was free enterprise. Politics and sex were never much of a problem. Even though the wires belonged to the Pentagon, you could post antiwar rants and no one would murmur disapproval. Advertising a Tupperware party, on the other hand, would elicit a torrent of abuse. Ten years ago, my own Net access came with a stern warning that the network "shall not be used for commercial purposes.... Advertising of commercial offerings is forbidden." What a difference a decade makes! (The company imposing this policy was Advanced Network Systems, since acquired by America Online.)
That commerce has finally come to the Internet is no great surprise. Why should this one corner of modern life be any more fastidious than college athletics, electoral politics or public television? But the pace of the transformation has been breathtaking. As recently as 1994 the most populous domain of the Internet was still edu, the area reserved for universities and other institutions of higher education. Today com sites outnumber edu hosts by four to one. A survey of Web servers, conducted by the Inktomi Corporation and the NEC Research Center, shows an even stronger commercial presence. Almost 55 percent of all Web servers are in the com domain, with fewer than 7 percent in edu.
Yet even as business has come to dominate the Net, the Net has put its own curious twist on the practice of making money. "Information wants to be free" is a slogan that will not go away; in any case, information is something that few will pay for on the Internet. So entrepreneurs have embraced the idea of giving things away for nothing, and they've turned it into a business plan. Netscape was the leader here, when it decided not to charge for its Web-browser software. Other companies have taken the principle much further. They will give you free Internet access or free e-mail or even a free computer if you will agree to look at a stream of advertisements. Some of the ads may promote other products you can have for free if you're willing to look at still more ads. Where does it end? Where does actual money change hands? Perhaps in the stock market, where you can buy the shares of prosperous companies that have no source of revenue.
In sentimental moments, the commercialization of the Internet is something I'm inclined to lament, but the bottom-line truth is that I would not willingly return to the age of precommercial innocence. I am too much the beneficiary of all that private investment. It's the culture of buying and selling that has brought a critical mass of people to the Net and has paid for the expansion of bandwidth and the development of new hardware and software. Even if you never order a book from Amazon.com, the infrastructure built to support Net commerce helps bring you access to library catalogues and archives of e-prints. Scholarship, research, education, art and all those other economically marginal activities get a free ride on the Doubleclick highway.
So I do not foresee the imminent death of the Internet from an overdose of marketing. But a secondary effect does worry me. The most characteristic elements of the early Net—mailing lists and news groups—were participatory entertainments, like storytelling around the campfire. Although there were "lurkers" who listened in without contributing, self-expression was encouraged. Anyone could be a producer as well as a consumer of Net content. In principle, the Web also allows such symmetrical, many-to-many interactions, but I'm not sure the tradition can be sustained. To explain my concern, I would point to the fate of another communications technology: radio.
Like computing and networking, radio began as a subject of scientific research (by Maxwell and Hertz) and then entered a phase of intensive engineering (Marconi and others). In the early years of the 20th century it became a playground for hobbyists and tinkerers. Anyone with sufficient interest and the technical know-how could get on the air, both transmitting and receiving. There was no licensing or regulation, apart from the self-imposed protocols agreed to by the community of enthusiasts. Then commercial exploitation began, first in niche markets, such as ship-to-shore communication, and later reaching a broader audience. In the 1920s, radio finally burst upon the daily lives of the general public. With commercial sponsorship and advertising, it became big business. The resulting investment of professional engineering resources produced technological leaps: Within a few years you could buy a ready-made radio receiver much better than anything the hobbyists could have assembled, and at a much lower price. But the amateurs lost control of their playground; they were exiled to a few outlying regions of the spectrum, while the best spots were reserved for commercial broadcasters. In the broadcasting era, radio became a one-way medium: Anyone could listen, but only an elite few got to speak. When television came along, it inherited the same one-to-many architecture.
I am not the first to suggest a parallel between the early history of radio and the recent evolution of computing and the Internet. (Eszter Hargittai has written at length on the subject, and it was also mentioned in the Slashdot discussion of the AOL–Time Warner merger.) A counterargument objects that the analogy is defective and misleading. Radio had to be regulated, the argument goes, only because the electromagnetic spectrum is a scarce resource; on the Internet, in contrast, bandwidth is essentially unlimited. Also, the equipment needed to produce high-quality audio and video is expensive, but anyone with a PC can make a Web page. On the Internet, therefore, we will all be free to create as well as consume.
It's a reassuring thought, but I remain uneasy. I would note that cable and satellite distribution have expanded the bandwidth available to broadcasters, yet television programming is hardly more diverse. And video equipment is now within reach of the serious amateur, but that hasn't made much difference either. You can produce your own television program, and you can probably even get someone to show it (on a "public access" cable channel); what you can seldom do is get anyone to watch it. The large media companies dominate broadcasting not because they have a monopoly on the spectrum or on the means of production but because they control access to the audience. What they have is marketing power.
In the early years, the Internet and the Web were a mass-media vacuum, filled with signals that would never have survived in competition with Time Warner. When I first wrote about the Web for this magazine, in 1994, there were fewer than 10,000 Web servers worldwide, and even amateurish productions attracted notice. I gleefully reported the discovery of Internet-accessible Coke machines and a Web site listing the daily contents of a certain graduate student's brown-bag lunch. Those sites are not likely to be featured selections at Yahoo or Netcenter today. The era of cheap thrills is over. From now on, if you really want the world to know what's in your lunch bag, you're going to have to promote it, preferably with halftime ads during the Superbowl.
Yet I do have hope for the survival of participatory Internet culture, not so much because of the boundless bandwidth of the Net but because a computer is not a television set. The word "programming" is used in both contexts, but with radically different meanings. A computer offers options beyond merely choosing which channel to watch. In front of the tube we may sit passively, but at the computer keyboard we are accustomed to creating, participating, making, fiddling, adjusting, changing, even deleting. If we can preserve that sense of the computer screen as a canvas everyone gets to paint on, then maybe the nerds will win one yet.
© Brian Hayes
You can find this online at http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/num2/2000/5/the-nerds-have-won/1
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PRUNEDALE - Monterey County sheriff's deputies arrested a Watsonville woman early Monday morning with a cache of weapons in her car.
Deputies stopped Eileen Vel Holland, 31, in the area of Moro amd Tustin roads in Prunedale after she was spotted driving erratically in a black and purple Chevrolet pickup. Holland had an open container of beer and an open gallon of rum in the truck, and deputies believed she was under the influence of drugs and alcohol.
California Highway Patrol officers were contacted for a DUI investigation.
A search of the truck turned up marijuana, tear gas, a dagger, a police-style baton and two concealed, loaded, unregistered pistols, according to Sgt. Brian Pickens.
Holland was determined to be on probation.
She was arrested on suspicion of violating her probation as well as drug and weapons charges, and booked into Monterey County Jail.


text: I have an extra queen. My wife does not want to get ride of it. I have2 hives both have a queen we bought a nuke and join them with one of the hives so they would be strong through the winter. It is in a mini nuke right now. Would like to know if I could leave in the queen cage and add it to one of the hives so the otherbotherness will feed it throughout the winter and then do a split come spring. One of the hives is relay strong. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I am located in central Cal. I am a nube at this and just trying to find out what would be the best way to go would be. I hope this is the right place to post this.


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Central Flat with Sunny Terrace
Size70 m²
Floor No.(with elevator)
- Family/child friendly
- Internet/WiFi
- Kitchen
- Air conditioning
- Washer/dryer
- Elevator in building
- Balcony/terrace
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|Cisneros, 46003 Valencia, Spain
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The flat consists of two bedrooms, one with a double bed (1.60 x 2.00 m) and one with two single beds, a living room, a bathroom and a kitchen. The sofa in the living room can be transformed into another double bed. Furthermore, we can provide a small cot for babies. Both bedrooms have a ventilator in the ceiling.
The kitchen is well equipped with all basics, a Nespresso coffee maker, toaster, water-cooker and all big electrical devices. The flat has a good WIFI connection and air-conditioning. Towels and bedclothes are available.
The location of the flat is very comfortable, all main sites are within walking distance. There are many great restaurants within a radius of 10 minutes walking (I provide a small booklet with the best restaurants in the sourroundings). The party area is also right around the corner. The central market is only 10 minutes walking and the big park of Valencia, the dry Turia river, is only 5 minutes away.
One of the main conecting street lies very close and taxis to the airport can easily reach the flat. The train station is also easily reached in 20 minutes walk or 7 minutes in Taxi.
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|Monthly rate for up to 2 guests
|Price for > 2 guests
|$ 12 US per guest/night extra
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Reviews of this property
The appartment is on a good quiet place in the middle of the city. With everything nearby.
We did sleep very well with open windows.
In the appartment was everything we needed. Perfect!
The balcony also was very good, we could sit in the sun outside.
Sadly enough we had to leave just after arrival because of family circumstances. But even in the few hours we stayed in the appartment, we appreciate the hospitality of Meike. She was very helpfull while we were arranging our flight back and nothing was to much for her.
The appartment itself is really nice. It's in the centre of Valencia and has all you need for a short or longer stay. Even a washingmachine!
We can really advice this appartment to everyone who wants to visit Valencia.
The appartment is located in the heart of the old centre of Valencia. The terrace is facing South, so very sunny. Meike is very kind and does everything she can to make your stay extra pleasant. We hope to come back here again.
Dear Meike,
thank you very much for the perfect hospitality, in a perfect apartment with terrace .... For a perfect holiday in a perfect city .... Thank you ....
Maybe see you soon .....
Greetings from Oliver and Markus
Liebe Meike,
danke vielmals für die perfekte Gastfreundschaft, in einer perfekten Wohnung mit Terrasse.... Für einen perfekten Urlaub, in einer perfekten Stadt.... Danke schön....
Vielleicht bis bald.....
Liebe Grüße vom Oliver und Markus
Meike, is a charming, left us a lot of useful information, the apartment is in a quiet area, well connected, the terrace is perfect. The super comfortable beds. A perfect stay.
Meike, es un encanto, nos dejo mucha información útil, el apartamento esta en una zona muy tranquila, bien comunicado, la terraza es perfecta. Las camas supercómodas. Una estancia perfecta.
We very much enjoyed our stay in Valencia thanks to this beautiful apartment, situated on a beautiful, quiet square in the middle of the El Carmen district. The apartment was great for staying with our grandson, we missed nothing. A lovely balcony overlooking the old town. And a very friendly hostess who could give us tips about the city. We will definitely return.
We hebben erg genoten van ons verblijf in Valencia mede dankzij dit mooie apartement, gelegen aan een prachtig, rustig pleintje midden in de wijk El Carmen. Het apartement was zeer geschikt voor verblijf met onze kleinzoon, we misten niets. Een heerlijk balkon met uitzicht over de oude stad. En een zeer vriendelijke gastvrouw die ons goede tips kon geven over de stad. We komen hier zeker terug.
great apartment in a convenient place. Reception was very friendly about. Got a lot of information about the city. Certainly the balcony had much more value. Well equipped kitchen and great beds.
prima appartement op een gunstige plek. Ontvangst was aller vriendelijks. Kregen veel informatie over de stad. Zeker het balkon had veel meer waarde. Goed uitgeruste keuken en zalige bedden.
We really enjoyed our stay in Valencia! This thanks to the nice located appartment, the good tips from Meike and the excellent service.
The appartment is piccobello! Clean, cooled, lovely terrace and everything you need is available...
Special thanks to Meike who made our stay comfortable, relaxed and interesting with a lot of info on the city.
I surely recommend the appartment!
We had a great time in Valencia. I can recomment this nice appartement with a balcon in a nice and quiet area of the old city. Friendly kind owners, very helpfull with good restaurant advices. Good caffee.
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Difference with Friedan
Difference with Friedan
More From Alice
Pulitzer Prize Winning Author
Calling Women "Guys"
Overalls & Lipstick
My Feminist Men
Our Real American History
Difference with Friedan
Pervasive Misogyny
The Voices of Ms.
"The Color Purple" Muses
A Dangerous Marriage
Going to Africa
Time in the Civil Rights Movement
Dad's 180
Keeping a Healthy Soul
Discarded Books
When Injustice Was the Norm
Resourceful Beauty
A Sharecropper's Political Courage
Enforcement by Lynching
Parents in Love
Alice's Biography
Three Words to Describe Herself: Thoughtful, solitary, and amazed
First Paying Job: Picking daffodils for 5 cents a bunch.
Most Meaningful Advice: "To be myself, and that was completely ample."
Advice for Young Women: "Happiness is important… One of the sad realities is how people get locked into the dream or the job or the career or whatever it is and it's not them at all. It's not what the soul is trying to find."
Growing up in the South prior to and during the Civil Rights Movement, had a major impact on the life and career of novelist, poet, and activist, Alice Walker. The eighth child of Georgia sharecroppers, Walker began writing, very privately, when she was eight years old. She went on to become valedictorian of her local school and to attend Spelman College and then Sarah Lawrence College on scholarships, graduating in 1965.
Penning her first book of poetry her senior year of college, Walker is a prolific writer of poetry, children's books, essays, short stories, and novels, most notably 1983's "The Color Purple" for which she won the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction — the first African American woman to receive the award. The book also won the National Book Award, was made into Steven Spielberg's 1985 Oscar-nominated film, and was adapted for the stage, opening on Broadway in 2005, and capturing a Tony Award for best leading actress in a musical in 2006.
Walker was active in the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s, and continues today to be an involved activist. She has spoken for the women's movement, the anti-apartheid movement, the anti-nuclear movement, and against female genital mutilation. Through her own publishing company, Wild Trees Press, and her work with Ms. magazine, Walker has introduced and championed the voices of numerous feminist and women of color authors. Her own work has been translated into more than two dozen languages, and her books have sold more than fifteen million copies.


text: Recently I have noticed that when I have been running the heater, after I turn the temp control knob from all the way hot to all the way cold, my air stays hot. Most of the time I have to turn off the truck completely off and restart it with the temp knob set to cold. Anyone else have this problem before? Is it a problem with just the A/C control knobs or something more difficult to get to? Thanks!


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Discussion in 'KS - Kansas Chevy Truck Group' started by InMyChevyVan, Jul 27, 2009.
let's see how many members besides me are from Kansas
Im from Ark City, born and raised there. I live in Dallas now though...
Hey, I live in wichita. Been here for around 10yrs.
I have lived in Wichita for the last 4yrs. I was born and raised in Okla.
i live about 40 minutes south of wichita
ark city ks here
I am in derby I just moved the big 5 miles from wichita.
I live in Cottonwood Falls.
Salina for me
Pratt, KS here
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text: I'm getting bees and hive this year and I like the idea of a top entrance for all the reasons Michael Bush gives, do I have to use a screened bottom board with the top entrance to ensure proper ventilation or can I use a solid board. If yes, do you leave the screened board in for the winter also??


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Here's the code I'm working with:
glEnableVertexAttribArray(0); //vertices glEnableVertexAttribArray(1); //normals glBindAttribLocation(prog, 0, "v_position"); //bind this var to 0 glBindAttribLocation(prog, 1, "v_normal"); //bind this var to 1 //generate buffers GLuint vbuf_id[2],ibuf_id[2]; glGenBuffers(2, vbuf_id); //vertex buffers glGenBuffers(2, ibuf_id); //index buffers //create and bind buffer for vertices glBindBuffer(GL_ARRAY_BUFFER, vbuf_id[0]); //vertex buffer glBufferData(GL_ARRAY_BUFFER, sizeof(vertices), vertices, GL_STATIC_DRAW); glVertexAttribPointer(0, 3, GL_FLOAT, GL_FALSE, 0, (void*)0); glBindBuffer(GL_ARRAY_BUFFER,0); //unbind //create and bind another buffer for normals glBindBuffer(GL_ARRAY_BUFFER, vbuf_id[1]); //normal buffer glBufferData(GL_ARRAY_BUFFER, sizeof(normals), normals, GL_STATIC_DRAW); glVertexAttribPointer(1, 3, GL_FLOAT, GL_FALSE, 0, (void*)0); glBindBuffer(GL_ARRAY_BUFFER,0); //unbind //create IBO (index buffer) glBindBuffer(GL_ELEMENT_ARRAY_BUFFER, ibuf_id[0]); glBufferData(GL_ELEMENT_ARRAY_BUFFER, sizeof(index), index, GL_STATIC_DRAW);
Which works great for vertices, using the supplied index. However, since the index only references the vertices, how do I include the normals? I have a list of normals from a COLLADA file, but I can't seem to get the vertex shader to process them correctly. I also had to remove the normals entries from the index because OpenGL wouldn't work if I included them. Apparently, the GL_ELEMENT_ARRAY_BUFFER wants packed entries for vertices ONLY.
What am I doing wrong? I'm happy to supply any additional information that may help.


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Marissa Waterman
My name is Marissa Waterman and I am 12 years old. I first got into playing guitar when I was 8, and my dad bought me my first guitar. I have been taking lessons at Rossi music for about 2 years and taught myself how to play piano. Some things I enjoy are playing soccer, softball and, of course, playing music. I go to Canandaigua Middle School and currently in 7th grade going into 8th. Since I have started playing guitar, I have received 3 more guitars for Christmas, and birthdays. The most recent guitar I received was from Rossi and I will be playing it at the concert. I have performed in the CA Idol competition and have won second place soloist two years in a row. For the first time, I will be playing my keyboard in front of an audience. I have a great love for music and I hope everyone loves my performance as much as I will love performing for them.


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Binghamton University announces 2002 public service awards
Barbara Oldwine, community activist, and Sharon Chesna, executive director of Mothers & Babies Perinatal Network of South Central New York, Inc., were awarded the second annual Public Service Awards by the Masters in Public Administration Program (MPA) at Binghamton University, during a recent dinner in their honor.
Each year, the MPA program honors individuals whose work in public service has made an exemplary impact in their communities.
Barbara Oldwine received the Sigma Award for outstanding career in public service. Oldwine was a member of the community development advisory committee appointed by Mayor Richard Bucci. This committee coordinated all citizen input regarding the community development block grant programs and projects. She served as lecturer at Broome Community College and Binghamton University and as writer for the Press & Sun-Bulletin.
Oldwine was vice chair of the Broome County American Cancer Unit and chair of public education for Broome County. She also served on the board of the Broome County Office of the Aging and was involved in the Urban League, and the Roberson Museum of Arts and Science. In 1976, Oldwine was named Bicentennial Woman of the Year for the city of Binghamton.
Sharon Chesna was awarded the Delta Award for outstanding contribution by an alumnus in public service. She graduated from the MPA program in 1998 and through her leadership, the Mothers & Babies Perinatal Network of South Central New York, Inc. (M & BPN) has grown from a single grant agency to a multi-program organization. In addition, under Chesna's guidance, M & BPN has evolved from an informal coalition to a formal multi-county not-for profit organization.


text: iPhone 4's retina display and Factime are probably the two best reasons to upgrade your device. Apple's "one more thing" during WWDC 2010 turned out to be a demo for a Facetime video call between Steve Jobs and Jonathan Ive. The success of facetime video calling largely depends on the number of people who can use the service. During the … Read More


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Three videos show why ObamaCare is in trouble
posted at 10:55 am on August 3, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
If anyone questioned why Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi wanted to get a health-care reform bill passed before the August recess, the following videos will explain it clearly. In three town-hall meetings with Democratic denizens of Capitol Hill, crowds reacted angrily to a government takeover of health care. In the first, Rep. Keith Ellison moves through the crowd in his very liberal district taking comments — but not answering any of his constituents' questions (via Janet at SCSU Scholars):
The reaction in this clip is almost universally negative, and downright hostile. When one man reads a prepared question asking Ellison whether he'd put forego his "Cadillac plan" as a Congressman and put his family on ObamaCare, Ellison plays emcee rather than answer it — and another constituent loudly demands his response.
Rep. Lloyd Doggett's crowd was even more hostile in his Blue Dog district of Texas (via Power Line and John Lott):
Back in Central Texas while Congress is on a month-long recess, U.S. Rep. Lloyd Doggett faced an angry audience at a town hall meeting at an Austin Randalls grocery store Saturday.
Doggett, D-Austin, spoke at the store at Brodie and Slaughter lanes. A video of the event on YouTube shows that many in the crowd had signs denouncing President Barack Obama's proposed health care plan.
Witnesses said that when Doggett was asked whether he would support the plan even if he found that his constituents opposed it, Doggett said he would. People then began chanting "just say no" and overwhelmed the congressman as he moved through the crowd and into the parking lot.
Meanwhile, back in Pennsylvania, newly-minted Democrat Arlen Specter finds out that Pennsylvanians don't much care for the rush to have government pass bills that their representatives don't read. HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius doesn't help much when she tries to defend the honor of people like John Conyers (via Michelle):
The administration knew that supporters of ObamaCare would encounter not just opposition, but outright anger once they returned to face their constituents. They wanted to ram ObamaCare through Congress before constituents had a chance to have their say. Specter and Doggett would have expected to hear resistance among their constituents, but Ellison perhaps was the most surprised. MN-05 is as safely Democratic and liberal as any seat in Congress (which is why Ellison, an acolyte of Louis Farrakhan, won the seat in the first place). If a Democrat gets a hostile reception in MN-05, it's just about akin to Nancy Pelosi getting booed in San Francisco.
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I'm building a '79 4x4 dually with a turbo 400 transmission and I'm putting a '89 454 in it, the truck is just gonna be used for towing a couple vehicles at a time, I'm wanting to get all the horsepower and torque out of this engine that is possible and still drive on the road with no problem, I plan on stroking it but I just don't no what size to go with so my questions are
which is best to stroke it to 496 or 511?
what are the best heads cam and intake I can get to give me the most towing power?
and finally what kind of horsepower and torque do you think the set up will make
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more cubic inches is always better, pretty much no matter the intent
personally I would build the 489 or 496 since you can buy a 4.250" cast steel crank instead of having to fork out the money for a forged crank.
a decent "claimer" style rotating assy with a cast crank, forged rods and hyper pistons with do fine for what you are trying to accomplish. If what you are trying to do is towing then you want your power to kick in down low so that your tq band and peak is lower in the rpm range. For this you will probably end up needing to go with around 9.0-9.4:1 compression, since you shouldn't be turning a bunch of rpm you wont need a large runner head. I would say a head with a runner volume in the area of 270cc-295cc would do just fine. Then as far as an intake goes, my personal favorite is the performer rpm intake. then I would go with a carb like the Holley 770 vac sec on up to the holley 870 vac sec carb. As for a cam I would look at a hyd roller cam (flat tappets are next to obsolite now a days) with around 225-235° @ .050, a cam with this kind of duration in a 489-496 should start it's power band around 1400-1500rpm, it wont want to be reved up past around 5400rpm and it will make goobs of tq around 2500rpm.
I would estimate a set up like this in a 489-496 to make around 450-500hp but with around 600-625tq
I would use the oval port heads from GM.My 454 was a 360 HP LS-5,I put 2.19/1.88 valves,a used performer intake,before I took the car to the track I had a BB quadrajet and headers..For towing,if you want a roller cam,something like
120235-12 CL120235-12 266 274 213 221 .510 .538 112 108 Hyd. Hyd. 1,2
1400-4600 Good idle, Off-Road & Street Performance. 9.0:1 CR advised.
your gonna tow, so I'd think torque and service,
I'd build a 489 as it's only a 30 overbore.. the 496 is 60 over and with towing heat , you don't want the cyl walls thinner that you have to..
oval heads , depending on gearing.. dare I say a peanut port top end. with a hyd roller for low to mid range torque.. forget hp.. you'll mostlikely never see north of 3500rpm..
if building with p port heads scares you. I'd use g.m. oval port heads, and shoot for 8.8 to 1.
remember you'll be towing, and building tons of heat..
I'd even think of adding a water/meth injection for every punch over hills..
engine oil cooler
I found a factory engine oil cooler in the bone yard on a Uhaul type moving truck, I will replace the hoses when I install it. but it all looked to be in good shape. $ 20 so I had to have it.
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I'm sorry but I just can't bring my self to advise the OP to use factory GM heads that were designed over 40yrs ago. There are so technologically outdated by todays standards it's not funny. Head technology has taken leaps and bounds over the past 20yrs. In my opinion pretty much any of the heads used in the 60's-70's are now obsolite. The only facotry head I would suggest to anyone now is the 906/062 vortecs, and even those should only be used when there is a serious budget issue.
The GM oval port heads had large runners but didn't have very good flow charactaristics. these issues acutally hinder making good hp/tq from begining to end of the power band. The whole idea of trying to buy heads is to buy the smallest runner heads that gives the best flow possible. typically if you can find a 290cc head that will flow nearly the same at .600" as a 325cc head then the 290cc head will make for a much broader power curve and make more usable tq since it creates more velocity at a lower lift and rpm.
take a look at these numbers:
all these gm oval port heads- 781,772,702,290, and even the 390's are all similar in there flow numbers. They range around 210-220cfm@ .300" and 255-275cfm@ .600". Now that is without any work being done to them, as they were cast.
yet you take a pair of aftermarket heads in the 270-300cc range and they are producing numbers in this area 220-235cfm@.300 and 325-350cfm@ .600"
they ones I would suggest are the Brodix 294's they flow out of the box 226cfm@ .300" and 337cfm@ .600". ****all of these flow numbers came from an independant site, not from the manufactures****
Then I can't bring my self to advise the OP to go with a cam that would be a "torquey" cam in a 396-427. The more cubic inches you have the more duration you need from the cam in order for it to react the same as a smaller cubic inch motor. A 210-215° @ .050 cam in a 396-427 will have a power band of around 1500-4500 but in a 489-496 it would have a power band of closer to 800-3800. Let me ask you guys this; if you wanted to build a mild "torquey" 383, would you use a 210-215° @ .050 cam that would be perfect for a mild "torquey" 327. No, you would use something with around 10-15° to achive the same kind of result (power band) since you have more cubic inchs. for you to have a power band in the 1500-4500 range, you will need to use a hyd roller cam with around 220-230° @ .050 in a 489-496.
I would estimate that if you used a set of GM oval port heads and a 210-215° cam that you will make around 380-400hp and 500-525tq. whereas if you use what I suggested you will be in the 475-500hp/ and 600-625tq range. simple as that, and it would still be very streetable.
I'm gonna have to take a page from F-Bird'88's playbook and recommend a low compression 454 with cheapo peanut port heads and a small blower. Makes more sense to me than juggling naturally-aspirated components.
he'll gain nothing at the rpm he'll use his engine at.. other than a thinner wallet and LESS low end torque
"did you miss the part about TOWING AND DUALLY..
he'll gain nothing at the rpm he'll use his engine at.. other than a thinner wallet and LESS low end torque "
I've built a fair share of engine and I have a pretty decent understanding about the math involed in acutally building and engine and not just assembling one!
Are you seriously going to try and tell me that a pair of larger oval port heads that are flowing 210cfm@ .300" and 265cfm@ .600" are going to out perform a set of aftermarket heads that have the same to smaller runner volume but yet are flowing 230cfm@ .300" and 340cfm@ .600". All the while the aftermarket heads will produce much better velocity across all lift ranges, there for creating better charge going into the cylinder on every intake stroke. A set of decent aftermarket heads and 220-230° cam will produce more tq in a 489-496 from 1500-5000rpm all day long than one assembled with a set of 40+yr old gm castings with almost any cam that you put in there. An engine is an air pump, the more air you can cram in there the more power it will make. If a set of heads can produce far better flow and velocity at all lifts than another set of heads than the better flowing heads will produce more power at every rpm level, not just higher rpm. last time i checked, those valves open a full lift (from .000-.600" or what ever your max lift is) each and every time that cam makes a full rotation, it doesn't matter whether you are turning 600rpm or 6000rpm.
let me ask you as far as small blocks go, if you were trying to make as much tq as possible in the 2500-3500rpm range, do you think it would be better to use a set of 40+yr old double humps (that flow like crap, much like the factory oval ports compaired to todays standards) or a set of DART, EQ, RHS, Brodix, Canfield...180cc heasds which are going to produce better flow and better velocity from .100-.500"
I'm not telling this guy to go out and buy a set of 325-365cc intake runner heads here, I'm telling him to go with a modest 270-300cc intake runner head that has been designed in the past 10-15years.
Come on now, its basic math comprehension here.
I bought a brand new GMC 1 ton dually in December 88.It was rated at 230 hp,it is injected.It drove well and would spin the rear wheels about 10 to 15 feet. I dont think it would tow 2 cars all that great,but it would do it. an upgrade is not a bad idea.
yup it's basic math.. the smaller ports heads will make more power where he'll be use'n the engine..
your head choice will loose power from idle to 3000 rpm..
you know the rpm he'll be in 95% of the time..
"yup it's basic math.. the smaller ports heads will make more power where he'll be use'n the engine..
your head choice will loose power from idle to 3000 rpm..
you know the rpm he'll be in 95% of the time.."
Considering that factory GM Oval port heads have runner volumes from 265cc-up, most are around 270cc-290cc I find your point invalid. Like I said before, it's not like I'm telling this guy to get a set of 325-365cc intake runner heads here. I'm suggesting that he look into a set of heads with runner volumes from 270-300cc. Which just so happens to be the exact same size range that you will find GM oval port heads. The big difference is the fact that the aftermarket heads have far flow characteristics, they create better velocity at all lift ranges and all RPM ranges.
putting a set of crappy flowing, small 265cc oval port heads on a 489-496 is about the same as putting a set of 434 non HO 305 heads on a 383. Sure will it run, yes, will it make tq, yes, would they be out performed by a pair of aftermarket 180-200cc intake runner heads at absolutely every RPM level, YES!!!
The set up that I have suggested here; Brodix 294's with a dual plane intake, moderate 750-850 vac sec carb, 220° cam, will run just fine with a factory stall, the power band will be about 1500-5000. I would estimate it's max tq would be made right at 3500rpm. I would hope that he is running atleast a 4.10 rear gear for a tow vehicle, with around 30" tires put him running 3000-3200rpm at highway speeds.
The GM casting heads with the cam someone suggested (213°) will make around 380hp/525tq MAX!, (that is likely generous) it will make its max tq around 3000rpm, so there for it will be making about 525ftlb of tq at 3000. Where as the set up I have given him would make around 485hp/625tq, as i already said it would make its max tq around 3500rpm so there for at 3500rpm it would be making 625tq, I would say that it will be safe to say that from 2000-3000rpm my set up will make more tq than the set up you are recomending. You know, the RPM he'll be in 95% of the time!
Please if you can't give good advice, dont give any advice
A cam similar to this would work well:
Howards Cams Retrofit Hydraulic Roller Camshafts 123515-10 - SummitRacing.com
You have to keep in mind that the manufactures rpm range estimation is made for a 427-454BBC, if you are going to stroke it to 489-496 that is a fair bit more cid, therefor you will need a bit more duration to achive the same rpm band.
seriously ? you would tell a guy with a tow truck to order aluminum square port heads?@ 2 grand
tow trucks idle for hours in the winter or during rescue (perhaps high idle while on a hand throttle or operating hydraulics/pto) If you said buy severe duty valves for reliability,that makes sense,,,
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Wildlife advocate Bindi Irwin, 12, is working on a new book series, Bindi Wildlife Adventures, based on true stories from her life. The second book, Rescue, is out now. She hopes the stories motivate kids to get involved in conservation. TFK Kid Reporter Sahil Abbi spoke to the young conservationist about her new book series and what it's like to follow in the footsteps of her late father, Steve Irwin, also known as the Crocodile Hunter.
When did you decide that you wanted to become a conservationist?
I think from the day I was first hatched, pretty much. I've always wanted to be a conservationist. My mom and dad have both been conservationists for as long as they can remember as well. Many people think of conservation as protecting little woodland creatures. But ultimately conservation is about us. It's about people. Every time we lose an animal species, it's like losing a brick from the house. Pretty soon, the house just falls down. I think it's important to spread that message.
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They first founded Wildlife Warriors in 2002 to help all sorts of animal projects that we have started all over the world. For instance, in Africa, we have a project with the cheetahs. What's happening with the cheetahs is that they will come in and eat some of the farmer's livestock. This upsets farmers who then try to kill cheetahs. It's really sad. It's not good for either side. So we came up with a program in which we breed big dogs called Anatolian Shepherds. These dogs protect the livestock from cheetahs. That costs about $5,000 a dog. We also put tracking devices around cheetahs' necks so that we know where they are. This way, we can alert farmers if a cheetah is getting too close to their livestock.
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I want to share with kids the many fun adventures that we get to do. I also want to encourage kids to have their own adventures.
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I'm the co-creator. That means my mom and I come up with ideas for the books and then work with the authors on the storylines. All of the books, as I said before, are based on our real life. So the first book, Trouble at the Zoo, is about my birthday at the zoo. In real life, I do have my birthdays at the zoo. It's a lot of fun. We bring a truckload of shaved ice into Australia Zoo and all the kids want to come and see it because it doesn't snow in Australia. It's a fun day when kids come and enjoy the zoo for free. I'm lucky that I get to share my birthday with them.
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The Pontiac Solstice. Fine. The Saturn Sky. Great! The Opel GT. Wonderful. But a Daewoo built on the Kappa architecture? Huh? That's going too far with rebadging.
Wow... that's a lot of a virtually identical car under different names. Weirdness.
I don't think so...the Solstice and Sky aren't rebadged cars, they have unique bodywork, and the rebadged versions of the Sky are all sold in different places so its not like you'll see them together. The Opel GT is Europe only, the Daewoo will sold in Asia, and there will be a possible Holden version for Australia. They can't sell it as a Saturn because that company doesn't exist in those places. I think its a good idea for GM.
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Not really. Domestic vehicles in Korea(i.e. Korean ones) make up a rediculously high percentage of sales there. Considering all they have to do is make a few new badges and stick onto a Sky/OpelGT then maybe do some testing for the market, the costs are low and it looks like a very lucritive endeavour(i assume koreans love roadsters and will love the Sky as much as everyone else). Plus it won't even be sold in any markets already saturated with Kappa cars.
I never thaught i would see a cool Daewoo.
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But a Daewoo? That'd be like making a Saturn sports car...oh that's right. They did. I guess with GM's brand identity issues, anything is possible. They turned the "Excitement Divison" into a sleeper, and a junk brand into one of the best of GM.
not cool...
Which is the sleeper devision?though Daewoo isn't avaliable here. i think this one will seel in Japan China and Korea only. just as opal only sells in europe.
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he was referring to pontiac.
I agree with you, as long as Daewoo's version stays over in Asia it's good news to me. Especially like somone I think said daewoo and other korean cars do really well in korea, so it would make sense to rebadge it under daewoo to sell it to the Koreans. I know this guy who doesn't feel right buying a vette because it's a chevy, he thinks it's reliable enough and crazy fast, but he's like, it's a chevy, if it was under a japanese name I'd buy it, lol.
GM doesn't really have a japanese company does it? Daewoo's the clossest.and Izuzu isn't GM anymore.
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they sold off Isuzu too? I thought they had still had part of their trucks. Like the small Isuzu pick up is just a Canyon/Colorado, and the W4500/W5500 cabs are designed by Isuzu and use GM drive trains? Both I thought came in Chevy/Isuzu badging, only the Isuzu is more expensive cuz it's "import" lol. So retarded, lol.
i dont see why this is such a bad thing, daewoo isn't in the US. they only have two in the US so that's not so bad.


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