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private room 1 private bath free wifi
Size35 m²
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- Family/child friendly
- Kitchen
- Washer/dryer
- Lockable room
- Internet/WiFi
Accommodation summary
|Valladolid, 08014 Barcelona, Spain
|Property type
|Private room
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|Response time
|A few hours
|Calendar updated
|4 days ago
Shared equipped kitchen with Frig, oven, microwave, washing machine with cost , free WIFI and etc.,
Rooms include clean bed sheets, pillow covers and blancket, comfortable acomodation for couples, tourists, students.
Ideally situated, just 5 minutes walk to main train station (Sants) direct train connection every 30 minutes to Airport BCN and just 3 minutes walk to two (2) metro lines Plaza De Sants Red line-1 and Blue line -5, the both lines connect city center hardly 15 minutes from metro and also 24h bus service available just 3 minutes walk from house and direct connection to Beach,, Las Ramblas, and center downtown.
Also convenient to get by walk to Placa España and the famous football stadium (Camp Nou).
If you coming from Barcelona airport then nearest Train Station is Sants and if you take taxi from airport so its charge normally 35€,
The area is rich and commercial with Internationally known brands, designer labels, restaurants from different part of the World, cafes, bars and famous night clubs close by.check out is at 10am to 11am
check in is at 1 pm till 9 pm if u have other timing u have to pay 5 euro more
The check in time will be discuss prior to your arrival making sure you are received, before all necessary keys are handed over.
The keys to access the Home, the room will be provided on arrival. There will be 24 hour access and exit allowed so no time restriction available as a condition.
The prices are kept affordable but the standard of living has been kept well!
Do not hesitate to negotiate on the cost for a group over 8 staying for longer than a week, for example!
Feel free to inquiry for further information.
KK Khan
Discount are avilable for group reservation. For further information and possible discounts for longer stays please contact: Khan
House rulesSmoking and Alcohol is strictly prohibited in House.
The Houseis in residencial area so plz after 22hrs must be calm. in case of complaints from neighbours ( i.e. streaming, parties in the night time) may the cause of cancelation of reservation.
At the check out time please return the keys by hand.
Deposite at the time of check in: 30€ cash
You will be responsible to maintain the standard of cleanliness and tidiness in the apartment especially in the Kitchen and the Bathroom.
The main door is to be closed at all times when one leaves and enters the Home..
The room has to be left in the same condition as it was initially found.
(Check out 10am)you may come any time but you have to inform us exact arrivel time,after informing us time if you have any change hour plz give us a call to avoid any inconvinience of wait for you or for us ,
check in 1pm
check out 10am
check in after 10pm is 10 euro
check in after 12.00 or before 10am is 15 euro
check out before 10 am cost 5 euro
refundable deposit 50 euro
but room access will be given at 1pm but you will have access to locker room bathroom kitchen ,i hope you will feel like home with all the fecilities
No lights are to be left switched on when not n
No lights are to be left switched on when not needed.
No one is allowed an access
|Price for > 2 guests
|$ 12 US per guest/night extra
|Check-in after
|Check-in before
|On arrangement
|Check-out before
|Cancellation Policy
Reviews of this property
The room was very nice and comfortable and the position is very nice for visit barcelona near the station metro 10 meters estacio sants and the women renter was very nice in service thank you very much see you anthor time in barcelona
I have been staying at this appartment with my girlfriend last week and we had a really nice and comfortable stay.
First of all the house is located at Placa de Sants, only 3 metro stops away from La Rambla (the main street of Barcelona).
The room is clean and big. The only downside was that the jacuzzi isn't working, but that was mentioned beforehand, so no surprise! Furthermore the bath is still perfect for use, only the bubbling system is down so for me it was actually not even a problem.
The owners Zai and his wife were really kind to us during our whole stay. They absolutely want you to enjoy your stay there and in Barcelona overall and when you come in they will always ask you if there is anything they can do for you.
Overall we had a good time at Valladolid 5 and I would definitely recommend the appartment to others.
Great place to stay, all were very kind and ready to help at anytime. Everything was clean and in its place. I really loved the rest time beginning at 11 pm!!!.
Definitely was a good choice.
Room in poor condition had nothing to do with what he had seen on the page, all dirty no towels and shower gel I think q is the minimum that should have and even up to leave at 6 am on the grounds of train and stuff charged me 5 euro ... definitely not go back there even if I pay, the guy who serves does not even speak Spanish ... at all recommended, the good thing is the location next to the station and sants camp Nou
La habitación en mal estado no tenia nada que ver con lo que había visto en la página, todo sucio sin toallas ni gel de ducha que creo q es lo mínimo que debería tener y aun encima por irme a las 6 de la mañana por motivos de tren y esas cosas me cobraron 5 eur... Definitivamente ahí no vuelvo aunque me paguen, el chico que atiende ni siquiera habla español...para nada recomendado, lo bueno que tiene es la ubicación al lado de la estación de sants y el camp nou
Our experience has been positive Zai. All the people you know you have been very kind and helpful. pity about the tub that did not work, but otherwise perfect.
La nostra esperienza da Zai è stata positiva. Tutte le persone conosciute si sono dimostrate molto gentili e disponibili. peccato per l'idromassaggio che non funzionava, ma per il resto tutto perfetto.
My opinion is the same than others.
I reserved the 'pink' room and they gave us the green one.
Pros :
-Very good jaccuzzi
-Large room
-5 metro stations from the center of Barcelone
-Clean room
-English spoken
Cons :
-Noisy neighborhood, and noisy bed
-Towels are 1€ extra charge
-No toilet paper
-No place to put stuff on
Globally, the room was really nice. 5 min from metro station, and 15 to the center.
We stayed here for a week and had a great time.
The room looked luxurious with marble tiles on the floor, a toilet and bidet and a working jacuzzi!
Every room had one shelf in a spacey fridge and use of the kitchen with washing machine. A dryer we found at the laundromat at walking distance. The neighborhood was residential rather than touristic so restaurant and supermarket prices were affordable. Metro, bus stop and train station were all within walking distance. Toilet paper was provided the first time but was available in the many small and bigger supermarkets in the vicinity. Large towels were provided for 1 Euro each and well worth the investment. Some words of advise: the room was rather dark en opposite the kitchen which meant that sometimes the smell of food would drift in and there was no sleeping in because people would have breakfast in front of the only window in the room. We were there early March and there was no heating system so we asked for an extra blanket which was provided at no extra cost. There was also no TV which was nice because the rooms were not sound prove so peace and quiet all around. Unless you're a sound sleeper don't expect to be able to sleep late because the sound of other guests in the hallway and kitchen will wake you up. All things considered we received good value for money.
we have been me and my boyfriend for a week, the room is in practice only bed and bathroom with jacuzzi working, no phono or soaps, you need to bring, only flaw .. there was only one chair, no furniture to put clothes, kitchen with fridge in common, which is not much but for what it should be okay to use the table to eat is located off the kitchen and has no roof (so they pass the smells of food), the room had a window that just threw on valladolid, neat little side street with trees on the right and the left, near a caixa, very close to the metro, many cafes and supermarkets nearby. morning c 'is a lady who speaks English and Spanish in the evening a guy who understands a bit of Italian, both friendly and helpful. it was really a nice holiday: D
siamo stati io e il mio fidanzato per una settimana, la stanza in pratica è solo letto e bagno, con jacuzzi funzionante, niente phono o saponi, che vi dovete portare, unica pecca..c'era solo una sedia, nessun mobile per metterci i vestiti,cucina con frigo in comune, che non è un granchè ma per quello che si deve usare va bene, il tavolino per mangiare è posto fuori la cucina e non ha il tetto(cosi passano gli odori di cibo), la stanza aveva una finestra che buttava proprio su valladolid, stradina molto carina con alberi a destra e sinistra, vicino una caixa, la metro molto vicina, molti localini e supermercati nelle vicinanze. di mattina c 'è una signora che parla inglese e spagnolo di sera un ragazzo che capisce un po di italiano, cordiali e disponibili entrambi. è stata proprio una bella vacanza :D
Good value for money! For 9 € a night, you can not expect more. However, lack of privacy as toilet, shower and bed are in a room. Looks a little like an hour hotel. Unfortunately jacuzzi did not work, just as Bath available. It was very musty, because there was only a small window to the courtyard. Kitchen also rather unhygienic! Recommend for not too demanding.
Gutes Preis-Leistungs-Verhältnis!! Für 9€ die Nacht, kann man nicht mehr erwarten. Allerdings mangelnde Privatsphäre, da Toilette, Dusche und Bett auf einem Zimmer sind. Wirkt ein wenig wie ein Stundenhotel. Jacuzzi funktionierte leider nicht, nur als Badewanne nutzbar. Es war sehr muffig, weil es nur ein kleines Fenster zum Innenhof gab. Küche auch eher unhygienisch!! Für nicht allzu hohe Ansprüche weiterzuempfehlen.
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Nothing fails like church!
James T. Nickell, 23, Sandy Hook, Ky., given a choice of church or jail after being caught stealing guitars and amplifiers at First Baptist Church of Sandy Hook in December, chose church.
WSAZ reported the plea bargain option of a year in jail or attending Sunday services for six weeks. The church option included wearing a sign that said, "I stole from this church" before and after services.
Nickell chose church and started his sentence Jan. 13, but on Jan. 31 he was booked into jail on a charge of theft of under $500.
Kayla Lykins alleges he stole a tool from her relative's house. "Yeah he did, and he really doesn't need to be doing that stuff."
City of Onalaska, Wis., hasn't got a prayer!
A proposal to start common council meetings in Onalaska, Wis., with prayer got what the La Crosse Tribune dubbed "a chilly reception," when council member Jack Pogreba's pious suggestion was voted down 4-2 on Feb. 12.
FFRF Staff Attorney Patrick Elliott sent a strong letter of objection Jan. 12 on behalf of local complainants.
Seven people spoke against prayer and five spoke in favor. Pogreba made a motion after the vote to put the prayer matter before voters with a referendum. The motion was ruled out of order because it wasn't on the agenda.
Thanks to FFRF member Hank Zumach, members of the La Crosse Area Freethought Society and others who spoke against government prayer.
FFRF, ACLU sue over Ohio Jesus portrait
The Freedom From Religion Foundation and the American Civil Liberties Union of Ohio filed a federal lawsuit Feb. 6 on behalf of local plaintiffs to remove a portrait of Jesus from Jackson Middle School in Jackson. The Ohio community of 6,300 residents boasts 41 churches.
Immediately after the suit was filed, threats were posted on social media, one suggesting the plaintiffs ought to be shot, another that they ought to be beheaded. This evidence was brought to the attention of U.S. District Judge Algenon L. Marbley, a Clinton appointee. The judge acted swiftly, granting a motion for pseudonyms and protective order on Feb. 12.
FFRF Senior Staff Attorney Rebecca Markert sent an initial letter on behalf of a local complainant on Jan. 2 to Jackson City School District Superintendent Phil Howard. The superintendent stated publicly that "it would take a court order to remove the picture." Howard has since been named a defendant, as are the Jackson City Board of Education and the school district.
The suit was filed in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Ohio on behalf of a child who attends Jackson Middle School, and the parents of children who attend school in the district. The children already visit the school for the annual Christmas concert, and will eventually be enrolled at the middle school.
The portrait of Jesus Christ is prominently displayed high up on an entrance wall at the school, where it has been reportedly located since 1947.
Dan Barker, FFRF co-president and a former evangelical minister, is very familiar with the devotional painting, "The Head of Christ," having encountered it in countless Christian churches. "It should not require a court order to persuade a public school district to remove a devotional painting of Jesus — identical to millions hanging in churches and Sunday school classrooms around the country — from the entrance of a middle school."
The 6th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals (where the suit was filed) has previously ruled unconstitutional the display of this same painting in a Michi-gan public school.
A motion was filed with the legal complaint to maintain plaintiffs' anonymity, along with a protective motion barring disclosure of their personal information so that they aren't subject to potential adverse consequences, including harassment and personal threats. To read the memorandum for protective order chronicling some of the alarming history of harassment of Establishment Clause plaintiffs, turn to the center spread on pages 12-13.
Displaying the portrait violates the First Amendment's Establishment Clause, the 14th Amendment and Article I, Section 7 of the Ohio Constitution, the suit alleges. The defendants' actions "have no legitimate secular purpose, and are motivated by a desire to advance a religious purpose."
Plaintiffs seek removal of the portrait and a permanent injunction barring "any substantially similar display."
FFRF's Markert and ACLU of Ohio attorneys James L. Hardiman, Jennifer Martinez Atzberger and Michael Honohan are representing the plaintiffs.
Read legal complaint and documents at: ffrf.org/legal/challenges/ongoing-lawsuits
Faith-free clergy struggle to escape pulpit
This discussion, edited for print, was part of FFRF's 35th national convention in October 2012 in Portland, Ore.
DAN BARKER: Now we're going to be in church for a while. We've got ordained clergy — amen, brother! — on the panel, all of us taking advantage of the housing exclusion by the way, or we used to. We're going to talk about the Clergy Project.
When I was a minister, I used to preach "Give Christ a chance, give Jesus a chance, what do you have to lose?" How many of you have had people come up to you and say, "You know, if you would just try it, you would believe."
Well, on the stage are people who have given Christ more than a chance. They've given their entire lives to the propagation of the gospel. They were educated, they were ordained in the ministry, and they stood up and publicly proclaimed their faith in Jesus and the life-changing message in the gospel.
We have a good cross section from Pentecostal to more moderate to more liberal clergy. The Clergy Project, which Richard Dawkins alluded to briefly last night, is a brand new group that none of you can join.
Isn't that nice, a new group that you don't have to join, unless you are a former clergy or an active member of the clergy? The project exists to offer clergy who are in the ministry an escape strategy. They want some way to land on their feet.
When I was going through my transition, I wish there had been something like that. I wish I could have compared notes with somebody. I wish I could have sympathized or cried with somebody. I wish I could have said, "How did you do it? How did you get through it? How did you tell your family and all that?"
I was collecting stories of former clergy, many of them wrote articles for Freethought Today, and we sort of became a loose-knit club of friends. Daniel Dennett, the philosopher, and his researcher and investigator Linda LaScola, were working on a project on preachers who are not believers. They needed to find clergy who were still in the pulpit to interview.
Since my book Godless came out in 2008 and Losing Faith in Faith came out before, I hear from some of these people. Sometimes they email me with pseudonyms. "I'm still preaching in the pulpit, but I read your book and I agree with you and I need to get out." I was able to give Daniel Dennett some names.
For a number of years, Richard Dawkins had been talking about how we can help. In Copenhagen in 2010, he suggested starting a group that could offer scholarships to help get clergy out of the ministry. In March of 2011, the Clergy Project officially started with a very generous donation from the Richard Dawkins Foundation to set up the Web page (clergyproject.org/) that would be a private online forum where people's identities could stay private.
About a fourth of them are actively practicing, and three-fourths of us are out now. The Clergy Project started with about 50. We have some of the founding 50 here. Today there are about 380 members. We screen people very carefully to make sure they are the real thing. Adam in Tennessee for two years now has been itching to get out but can't find a way to. Adam is not his real name.
Today we are honored with five clergy. Ray, why don't you say hi? Ray is a former Lutheran.
RAY IDEUS: I was one of the 52 that Dan sometimes calls the forefathers. I simply struggled my way through it and waited until retirement and haven't gone to church since. Thank goodness for that. For a while, I was waiting for Christ to come again and decided that wasn't going to happen anyway, so I married my wife, who has been a big help to me.
I can't recommend that to everybody because it doesn't work that way. That's why I was rather fortunate in being able to get out of the ministry.
DAN: Ray is involved with the Spokane Freethinkers and has done some state-church activism there as well. We invited four former clergy, all of whom have been guests on Freethought Radio.
annalise fonza was a pastor for six United Methodist churches. Teresa MacBain spent 20 years in the ministry in the South. Jerry Dewitt is the first Clergy Project graduate. He came into the project as an anonymous active Pentecostal preacher in Louisiana. I was Pentecostal, too, so we speak the same heavenly language. Robert Parham is from Tacoma. Robert is currently the project's acting treasurer and was a Southern Baptist minister for 13 years. Why don't we start with annalise?
annalise fonza
You're giving a handheld mike to an ex-preacher? I might break out in song or something! I joined the Clergy Project in June. I've been "out" of the church since 2000, openly as one who rejected the central tenets of Christianity for more than a decade, from the United Methodist Church.
Several months ago I posted a blog on Freethoughtblogs [Black Skeptics], which is hosted and edited by Sikivu Hutchinson, a black woman, activist, atheist, feminist, a wonderful woman. At that time, I had already been with the Clergy Project and I had just interviewed on the radio with Dan and Annie Laurie.
So this has been a new pathway in my life, to be publicly invited to places, and to be very outspoken about the church and in critique of the church as well and the whole concept of religion. I think that's good because people have this assumption that black people are not atheists, and when I look out into this crowd, I'm like, well, there's something to this [laughter].
I also have my Ph.D. in regional planning. I was presenting at a conference this week and talking about a book idea with a publisher about black freethinkers and the publisher was like, "Why black atheists? Why is this important?"
I said it is important for a number of reasons. One of them is that there is this assumption that African Americans are not atheists, and that is very important that we make clear
that there are black atheists, and while there may not be as many, and there may be many reasons for that, that that [being black and atheist] be a part of the public discourse so that people don't believe that the discourse around atheism is simply coming from white males or white females, or what have you, that African Americans are contributing to the dialogue, [with] people as I mentioned, Sikivu Hutchinson, myself, Dr. Anthony Pinn at Rice, as well.
Groups are forming all over the country: Black Freethinkers of Chicago; I live in Atlanta [and] Black Nonbelievers of Atlanta is a group that I am active with; [and] Black Skeptics of L.A.. So black atheism is a movement in a movement, if you will.
I answered "a call" in 1992, I was a student, a law school student in Texas, that was my dream.
I was very excited about being in law school and it was my colleagues, my friends who were the ones who pointed to me and they said there is "a call" on your life, and I was like, "Yeah, God wants me to be an attorney. . . I don't know what you think, but this is what God wants me to be" [laughter], but then I shifted, I spent a lot of time praying and with a very large church in Houston, Texas, Windsor Village United Methodist Church.
Windsor Village had a downtown church that served primarily people who lived on the street and I was very active with them. As time went by, however, and as I got in to the ministry: I answered that call, I went to seminary, I [obtained] the M.Div., I [learned] biblical Hebrew and Greek, and all those things, and, I ended up teaching as well as pastoring.
I started teaching religion in a community college in Illinois, and I finally came to the realization, while I was in my second-to-last appointment, that I did not believe in the atonement theory. I did not believe that, number one, that there is a such thing as original sin, and that Jesus died for the sins of all. And so when I came to that realization, I began to mull that over, and that was about 2000. I took a leave of absence for one year intentionally and the second year by default because the conference folk didn't do the paperwork properly, and I stayed in contemplation for the next year.
At that time I was also moving into another phase of my education, getting a Ph.D., so when I went to the University of Massachusetts-Amherst, I came out of the leave, went back into local church ministry and in that year, while I was practicing, I realized again that that was not the place for me.
I notified my district superintendent, I wrote a letter to the bishop and it was a done deal. I submitted my credential for return, and they, on request, returned it to me stamped "This is to hereby certify that Annalise Fonza is permanently withdrawn from the United Methodist Church." And that was done in June of 2003 [applause].
Ever since then I've been on a journey of continuing to emancipate myself from any other ideology or thinking or behavior that is oppressive. I think Christianity is oppressive, I think the idea of God is oppressive as well as the doctrine of original sin which led me to that point [to leave].
One other thing that was important to me while I was serving under appointment in Illinois was that I was active with a group that was meeting call A-B-C, [or] Alternative Bible Study, a gathering of lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans folk, community people who were coming to the church for bible study, basically.
I started attending these bible studies, and primarily to just learn and to undo my own heterosexism. In the course of being there, I really learned to embrace not only same-sex couples, same-sex loving, bisexuality as a valid and legitimate form of self-expression, but then that helped me to embrace my own expression as a heterosexual woman.
So that really was a big thing in my development, this cross-talking of people with differences really helped me, so I just gradually made my way out, and here I am.
It has been a very difficult ride at times. It's not been easy, financially I have struggled since I have left the church, primarily with work. Also, since I'm so public with my nonbelief or disbelief. It is not hard, if I apply for a job, that people will Google me and see something come up [that I am atheist] and perhaps decide, oh this isn't the person we want, especially living in Atlanta, Georgia, if you know what that is like living the bible belt.
So it has been difficult. My family and I, we don't really talk about it a whole lot. It's not a conversation we have. I was born and raised Catholic, but I come from a family that would be considered very typically African American and religious.
My mother was actually a Franciscan nun, and before she decided to take her final vows, she said, "I don't want to do that." I try to remind her every now and then we are a lot alike, but then I say maybe not, not so much [laughter].
Another influence that helped me to move into a very open rejection of the idea of God and the concept of religion was Alice Walker. Alice Walker wrote a piece once called, "The Only Reason You Want To Go To Heaven is That You've Been Driven Out of Your Mind." [laughter]
Hopefully, you know who Alice Walker is; she is a phenomenal writer, but she is also very vocal against organized religion and Christianity in particular, again as a tool of oppression. She has had a huge influence on my life and I went online because I originally heard her talk about this on the radio, I once had my own radio program in Massachusetts, and she this, "It is fatal to love a god who does not love you."
That is so important. I meet lots of people who ask me questions. This decision has affected my life on so many levels, including dating, social interactions, you name it.
One story is that, you know, I have former colleagues who are preachers obviously, and one guy was really ambitious and he found me on Facebook and he requested that I be his friend, and so on and so forth, which we did.
But then day he posted something on his Facebook page and it said, "In times of crisis, Jesus is the first responder." And I couldn't help myself that day, so I wrote back in the comments and said, "Well, if that's the case, then Jesus sucks on the job, next!" [laughter]. The next thing he did was unfriend me within minutes, literally, within minutes.
I thank FFRF for making it possible for me to be here and share in what's happening here. This is a place and also an organization that many should think about joining, so I will definitely talk with the many that I know about coming and joining and being a part of this, so thank you very much.
Teresa MacBain
I've had opportunities to share what has happened to me in my journey, coming out months ago, six months ago [after about 10 years as a Methodist pastor]. In 10 years I'm going to come back and share how it's been for the last decade.
I grew up in Alabama, the daughter of a Baptist pastor. What do you think of when you think of a preacher's kid? They go wild. Not me. I was the good girl. I carried a bible around with me in elementary and middle school.
If I knew you didn't go to church, I was trying to witness you and trying to convert you. I was so far and so deep into it, that that was my entire life. I never questioned it up until about middle school, when I started seeing things that didn't really match up in the scriptures. I asked my dad, who said, "God's ways and thoughts are higher than our thoughts. You need to pray that you have stronger faith."
The message I took away at 12 years old was "doubt equals lack of faith equals sin." You want to know how someone can get trapped for decades — that's it, right there. We're all nasty, rotten, wretched sinners and we have to come to Jesus for salvation.
I felt from the time I was young that I was called to be in the ministry. I had one little problem. In the Baptist Church, what are women allowed to do? Nursery, cook, clean the tables, sing in the choir, play the piano.
Eventually, I came upon a woman going through the process of becoming a Methodist pastor. We became fast friends. I followed through with Methodist doctrine and was studying and reading and taking classes. I came across this quote attributed to John Wesley [documented as the work of a Lutheran theologian]: "In essentials, unity; in nonessentials, liberty; in all things, charity.
That was the beginning of the end for me because what it meant was as long as I hold to the core teachings of the church, which is basically the Apostles' Creed, then I had the freedom to think and figure out all these things I had been ignoring in my mind for so many years.
Several years passed as I dealt with all those issues. One day I found myself on the Internet — not looking at what you think I was looking at — typing in a Google search "pastors who feel like they've lost their faith." Wouldn't you know, Dan Barker's name came up.
I downloaded his book Godless and read it in record time. There was contact info at the end for FFRF, and within a very short amount of time, Dan contacted me back. I shared my story and he shared his story. I felt like I had died and gone to heaven [smiles] because there was somebody out there like me.
A little over a year ago, he told me about the Clergy Project and sent me all the information — he taught me the secret handshake, everything. I logged on with my fake name. I was active in the pulpit still. I found about 60 other people who were struggling like me.
The Clergy Project and my friends there have been and continue to be the absolute source of life for me. I came out six months ago during the American Atheists convention in Bethesda, Md., not knowing what atheists were like. I knew what the Clergy Project's folks were like, which was OK, because that was the kind of life that I understood,
I stood before them and started to share my story and was just overcome by the thought that for so many years I had hated people who were not believers. The only thing I could do in that moment was to apologize for those things I had said and the way I had lived my life.
I spoke for about 10 minutes as part of a clergy panel like this. Afterward, I was embraced by the atheist freethought community and it hasn't stopped. It's unbelievable how the freethought community has come to our aid.
None of us knew what was going to happen when we stood up and were honest with the world about what we didn't believe. But I can say for a fact that the response has been one of love, compassion and understanding. So I'll end with a huge thanks and all my love back to you for what you've given me.
Jerry DeWitt
How many of you have already heard my story? I've got a couple of things I can do here in the next 10 minutes. I can tell the story once again. We can go that route, or with your permission, I can preach the story. There will be times when you will have to participate. Just know that for 25 years I said, "Can I get an amen?" What we'll do this afternoon is, I'll say, "Can I get a Darwin?" [DARWIN!] Now you know your part. When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you. Haven't you ever been to church?
Brothers and sisters, it's truly a privilege. From the very beginning at the earliest stage that I can remember, I was surrounded by religion, and not just any religion, mind you, but the religion that I am obviously enjoying at this moment, good old heartfelt, Southern-fried, barbecued all the way to the bone, Pentecostal religion. Can I get a Darwin? [DARWIN!]
One of my earliest memories was to lay my head on my grandmother's lap and hear her praying in other tongues for my earache. Some of the first words I heard were unintelligible. You may ask yourself how it is that a person can come this far, that maybe he once stood in a Pentecostal pulpit and preached what he believed to be the gospel, but now he's here, somehow celebrating the notion that the future one day may be free of religion. Can I get a Darwin? [DARWIN!]
For 25 years I traveled down that path. I wanted the creator of heaven and earth to move in my life and relieve in any way possible the sufferings I was experiencing, that I saw so many of my loved ones experiencing, because I love humanity and I love truth. Can I get another Darwin? [DARWIN!].
I wouldn't be here wasting your valuable time if I had found what I was looking for. I know just like many of you, I was told that without faith you would never have happiness. But what I found in the faith of my family was that there was no stopping point. You could never be content, because you could never be good enough. I'm here to tell you that I'm living proof that there is happiness after faith. Now that's when the ushers would know to make their move. There's still room in these pockets for you!
But I'm here to tell you that I've gotten more optimism now than I've ever had. It's because of conventions like this, and because of groups made up of old and young, black and white, every single aspect of the whole broad spectrum of humanity is now represented in a secular movement. Can I get a Darwin? [DARWIN!]
This is hope after faith, which is the name of my book, so I want you to remember that! The greatest damage that religion has done to humanity is teaching us that it's OK to be passive — that we can somehow clear our conscience and not truly be our brother's keeper by simply bowing a knee. It's taught us that there's something larger than us, that this whole ball of wax is completely out of control and there's nothing we can do about it except pray.
I come to you to say there is hope after faith. This hope has made me persevere through the worst year of my life. Last May I reached out and my own personal Jesus, Dan Barker, reached back. He told me every time I say that I owe him tithes.
By coming out publicly, I've lost friends, I've lost family — including my marriage — I've lost finances. I have a hearing next week about my bankruptcy case. I'll admit to you that with the help of friends, the Clergy Project, Dan Barker, and with the help of so many beautiful people like you, I've found strength I didn't know I possessed.
We're told in this country, in the 21st century, of all times, that without God you can't be good. What I've found is just the opposite. In hope, "e" stands for empathy. Religion gives you a different "e" — it gives you an ego. It makes you feel special and gives you an excuse to overlook the sufferings of so many other people because it's not your fault if you're more privileged than the next person.
I don't know if the [collection] plates are full, but what I will tell you, and it's what I say to you doubters hiding behind the pulpit: It's not easy, it may be worse than you can imagine, but I can assure you that if this little Southern-fried preacher from the backwaters of Louisiana can do it, then for everyone everywhere there is hope after faith.
Can I get a Darwin? [DARWIN!]
Robert Parham
I'm a former Southern Baptist minister. I grew up in Charlotte, N.C. It's been a series of really interesting coincidences over the last few years. Teresa and I grew up 30 minutes from each other and both went to Stanford University.
We have a member of the Clergy Project, and when I saw his profile, I noticed a few things that looked familiar, particularly the location. So I messaged him a welcome, and it turned out he was our pastor.
I feel very fortunate. I grew up a Southern Baptist. By the time I was 18, I was licensed by my church as a minister and was already serving in my first church as a senior in high school. In my senior year, a good friend and I started a prayer group that met in the auditorium every week. It's still going today, one of the many regrets from my past.
As an undergrad, I was president of the Baptist Student Union. It later became Baptist Campus Ministries. I continued to serve churches part time and full time for 13 years.
What changed for me was going to graduate school and being challenged by issues around diversity — comparing specifically what I learned in this process of graduate school to be true about people who were different, in particular about people who were gay. It flew in the face of everything I had believed and had been taught from the bible. Once I decided that the bible was clearly wrong on that one issue, I questioned what else was wrong.
That's how it all started. My process was a 10-year process, and for most of those years I lived in denial. Many Clergy Project members will tell you that there was a period of depression they went through. Letting go of something that is the foundation of your life is a very difficult thing to do. We have many members who have many stories that are just like Jerry's. That's why I'm a part of this.
I've heard so many heartbreaking stories as a screener the last year and a half. We want to be able to make a real, practical difference for them, for those active clergy who are struggling to get out or who have gotten out only to find there are many, many challenges that they didn't anticipate.
The Clergy Project wants to be able to do more. We want to be able to give scholarships for reeducation and vocational training programs. We want to be able to give hardship grants. As a member of the board, the acting board as we approach incorporation, I feel so honored to be here because this organization as well as the Richard Dawkins Foundation has very graciously agreed to be a conduit for us.
It is through the Freedom From Religion Foundation that we have already received some donations that have been designated for the Clergy Project. We have a long way to go. I'm sitting here today feeling extra happy because we have wanted to go ahead and be able to help people if we could, and it's only because of FFRF that we can.
I am going to officially, on behalf of the Clergy Project and the Freedom From Religion Foundation, give the first hardship grant to Jerry DeWitt.
Because I made a smooth transition into a secular career, I truly am blessed. Sorry — old habits. I thank Dan, I thank Richard, I thank Daniel Dennett, I thank Linda and I thank you for making the Clergy Project a reality and for allowing me to be a part of it.
Dan Barker
Elizabeth Cornwall with the Dawkins Foundation has also been intimately involved with the project, along with Linda LaScola, the screeners and the board members, in slowly bringing the group up to where we can make a real difference.
I wanted to ask you all if you have an opinion about the percentage of clergy today who are sincere? I was sincere, but I know there were a bunch of phonies. Do any of you have any comments about what you think is the level of hypocrisy among ministers?
Teresa MacBain
I was very sincere. If you watch "American Idol," Randy always says, "In it to win it." That was me, not to win it but to win you.
But since I've come out, I've had so many pastors — male and female — ministers of music, missionaries, people who may or may not have gone into the Clergy Project send me messages.
I've also had children of ministers contact me and say, "I'm an agnostic, help me. I'm an atheist, help me, I'm struggling." I've even had a handful of pastors' wives contact me, I think because I'm a woman, and say, "My husband is a pastor. He is so on fire and if he knew this, it would be over for us and I would be devastated. What do I do?"
I know that there are plenty. Does that make them hypocrits? I guess technically, based on the definition of the word, but they are struggling with it.
annalise fonza
Umm, I would say the word "sincere" is probably causing me a little hesitation, simply because in the African-American tradition, the idea of God, the church, what have you, is seen as intimately connected with the struggle and the progress of black people. So, I actually think a lot of the colleagues, former colleagues and friends that I have are actually believers. They would not begin to question or reject the idea, and as you know those who do are seen kind of as race traitors.
Particularly it is more difficult for black women when they have come out in this regard, because in terms of society black women are penalized more so when they, or women they've been penalized more so, when they reject faith, the idea of faith, the idea of God, differently because of the normative gender roles, identities that women have had to play in time and history.
So, I would say that many of the people that I know and went to seminary with are believers, I wouldn't say that there's a big percentage of people that are in and want to come out. Hence, I remember when I came in [to the Clergy Project] I asked Robert how many black women or black folk in general are part of it, and he was kind of like, "Umm, ahh, eee," [laughter] it was like, "I'm not really sure."
But, that kind of was an indication to me that perhaps there are not that many and there is a reason for that, you know, class, race, gender, sexuality are all tied into one's social location and ability to either have faith or not. So it's really a complicated question for me to answer.
Dan Barker
Well, Robert wouldn't know because only one or two people know all the people. We don't ask skin color.
Adam has been administrator for the forum, doing all the grunt work, and it's been two years now. Adam, who's in Tennessee, can't leave because his wife is disabled and it's a preexisting condition. They need the health care; he can't just leave the ministry.
He's tried this and he's tried that and he can't. He actually told his son, who was happy to hear it. He hasn't told his wife or daughter yet. He gets up and preaches on Sunday morning, then emails us, "You won't believe the crap I had to say this morning. And I wish I could find a way out."
Adam is just one example.
I was a Lutheran pastor for 30 years. In Spokane everybody knows I'm an atheist because of an interview on CNN and because I took the police department to court.
I really don't want to be preaching about the goodness of the church, but I think that the Lutheran Church has always been very honest about recent biblical research and criticism, and we were very open to talking about that in seminary and later. I was frequently accused of "psychologizing" the scriptures in sermons.
I don't know of one person who has come to me and said "I've lost my faith." They all know I'm an atheist and they pretty much leave me alone. Not always.
Jerry Dewitt
In the South, Southern Baptist churches are like Starbucks — there's one on every corner. I only have one person from my background who I know does not believe in God any longer. They were honest with me about that and with some other people, but remain in the ministry for their own reasons, philosophical reasons.
I think what happens for a lot of ministers is they start out in a more conservative denomination and as their thinking evolves, they just move to a less conservative denomination.
If I'm not mistaken, the best definition of a hypocrite is an actor, I think that's the root, that's where we derive our cultural connotation from. My answer would be every minister I've ever known is a sincere hypocrite.
He's sincere and is forcing himself to act in ways for the benefit of the congregation or because — here's the loophole — in the modern-day evangelical theology it really doesn't matter what you believe, what matters is what you proclaim — because faith is what adults call pretending.
You don't really have to believe. You just have to live it, you have to proclaim it. A minister can go to bed at night with great confusion and great concern and maybe feel somewhat hypocritical if he is introspective enough.
But at the same time, because of his love for the community and all of these other relationships, he may feel it's the better thing to keep pushing forward and to keep making those declarations. There's an underlying of "fake it until you make it." I think that's what creates the conflict of terminologies.
Christians mount public school stealth attack - Katherine Stewart
Katherine Stewart gave this speech at FFRF's 35th national convention in October in Portland, Ore. View her speech online at ffrf.org/outreach/convention and click on the 2012 convention recap.
I'm going to talk to you today about a range of initiatives, many of them under the radar, taken by the Religious Right to infiltrate and undermine our public schools. Although these religious programs aim at all age groups, a surprising number are directed at the youngest school children.
In my research I was surprised to see, over and over again, that one of the distinguishing features of these religious programs designed for public schools, and one of the reasons they don't attract the attention they should, is that they rely on deceit.
Simply put: Many of these so-called bible study clubs and other religious initiatives are not what they say they are. They have an agenda far more sweeping, and potentially threatening to public education, than they let on. The biggest factor driving this insertion of religion into public schools is judicial activism from the right.
I know these are bold claims. Some people will say they're alarmist. I have learned firsthand that they aren't.
Three years ago, when my family was living in Santa Barbara, Calif., I learned that an after-school group calling itself "The Good News Club" was coming to our daughter's public school.
The program describes itself as "bible study" from a "nondenominational" perspective. My first thought was that this just wasn't a big deal. The group required parental permission to join, so I figured let the kids whose parents want them to learn about the bible sign them up.
Let me make clear that I'm a strong supporter of free speech, and I am also comfortable with the idea of teaching the bible in public schools from a nonsectarian perspective, as literature, history or anthropology.
But then I started hearing stories from parents around town whose kids went to schools where Good News Clubs had recently been established. I began to realize that Good News Clubs are less concerned with studying the bible than with turning kids into faith-based bullies.
Let me tell you about Zoe, who was on the playground at recess when a 6-year-old classmate, whom I'll call Ashley, said to her, "You can't go to heaven because you don't believe in Jesus."
Zoe objected, saying, "That's not true." The children's teacher, overhearing the exchange, decided to use this as a teachable moment. Different religions, she told the class, have different perspectives on different issues.
Zoe was fine with this, but Ashley was devastated and burst into tears "How can that be? I know it must be true because I learned it in school, and they don't teach things in school that aren't true. How can they lie to us in school?"
That story gets to the heart of the trouble with the Good News Club. I don't have a problem with children expressing their faith at school, having religious discussions or even proselytizing. But I do have a problem with Ashley believing that her particular religious beliefs are coming from the school. That perception on Ashley's part was no accident.
'One way' to heaven
It soon became obvious to me that the main purpose of the Good News Club is to deceive children into believing that a particular religious creed is sanctioned by and has the support of their public school. The Good News Club wants kids to think that its mission is approved by the school and by the state.
Here's why I think that. When the Good News Club announced it was coming to our school, a number of concerned parents offered the group free and better space in this stunningly beautiful evangelical church located literally next door to the school. Club leaders declined, saying the school was where they wanted to be.
Good News Clubs at other schools make a point of showing up before the bell rings, trailing balloons and laying out spreads of candy and cupcakes in places where the children are sure to see them. They know very well that 5- and 6-year-olds can't make a distinction between what takes place in a school and what is sponsored by the school.
Another layer of deceit is their effort to present themselves as being broadly Christian by using nonthreatening labels like "nondenominational" or "interdenominational." In fact, most activists I met who work with the Child Evangelism Fellowship believe that most people who call themselves Christian really aren't, including most U.S. Episcopalians, United Methodists, Roman Catholics, liberal Congregationalists — the list goes on.
Of course, they categorically reject the legitimacy of all other faiths. Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Muslims, and freethinkers of all stripes — all these are merely "the harvest" who need to be converted. In many cases, Good News Clubs aim to convert children, who come to the club with parental permission, away from the very same religion of their parents.
While they claim to offer bible study, they are less about study than proselytizing and indoctrination.
It was no accident that Ashley decided to proselytize on the playground. It was the main thing that her Good News Club, or what she thought was the school, taught her to do.
The real purpose of the club is not to teach the students who are enrolled from the beginning by their parents. Many, if not most of those children are already affiliated with churches that are ideologically aligned with the Good News Clubs.
Instead, the purpose of the Club is to pressure those kids to try to recruit their nonparticipating peers. At every Child Evangelism Fellowship training I attended, kids were told to tell their friends that there is only "one way" to get to heaven, and were often given points or prizes for recruiting their peers to the club.
Steeped in fundamentalism
Who's behind Good News Clubs? I decided to investigate and spent three years traveling across the U.S., attending clubs in different public schools and talking to their leadership. I participated in several club trainings, joined a mission project in Boston and attended the CEF's national convention in Talladega, Ala.
What did I find out? The group that sponsors the clubs, the Child Evangelism Fellowship, has a very specific and deeply fundamentalist agenda. They are represented at their national conventions by extremists who rail against the so-called "homosexual agenda," support creationism in public schools and condemn interfaith marriage, referred to as "interracial marriage."
I'm here to tell you that the impending arrival of a Good News Club at our school was not good news for our community at all. Neighbors argued bitterly. Some were attacked for their faith and ethnicity. A father from a country torn apart by religious wars wrote poignant letters to the principal, expressing his shock and dismay that the same kind of thing could be happening here in America.
Several families decided to pull their kids out of public schools and send them to private schools instead. Large numbers of parents, dismayed by the arrival of the club, told me they feared that if they expressed their feelings, their family businesses would suffer.
I was surprised to learn that there are over 3,200 Good News Clubs in public elementary schools around the U.S. Their presence in public schools has grown 728% in the last 10 years. Their numbers double about every three years. If they continue to grow at this rate, they'll reach their goal of placing a club in every public elementary school in America within just two decades.
I soon learned that religious initiatives in public schools are not just limited to the Good News Club. The issue is much broader and deeper.
A year and a half ago, my husband and I moved to New York City and enrolled our children in a public school across the street. One Sunday, just after the school year began, I looked out my kitchen window and saw a group of people gathered in front of the schoolhouse door. They had a table, brochures, a tray of lollipops and a 4-foot-tall sign. It turned out that they were part of an evangelical ministry and that our school was their church.
Just pay the janitors
I decided to attend the service at the "church" at our school.
"Notice the names of the children on pieces of paper," the pastor advised his flock. I looked around and saw the posters my children's schoolmates had made. "Pray for them!" the pastor continued. "Pray that the families of this school will come to know Jesus and say, 'This is a House of God!' "
After the service, I chatted with the pastor and asked how much it cost to rent the school. "Oh no," he said. "We don't pay rent! New York is way too expensive! We just pay the custodians' fee."
I learned that the church was using the school not just on Sunday mornings and evenings, but also on some Wednesday and Friday nights, and that it paid a pittance for the privilege. They didn't pay for heat, electricity, air conditioning or wear and tear on the furniture. They had no lease and were paying no rent.
Ours was just one of 160 New York City schools that have doubled as rent-free houses of worship — the vast majority of them evangelical Christian churches — in their off-hours. Thanks to a 2001 Supreme Court decision, churches were now able to plant themselves in public schools across New York City, bypassing preexisting laws that barred partisan political groups as well as worship services from using public schools. I attended services at dozens of these "churches."
In public school classrooms, I learned about creationism and was taught that all children who do not believe in Jesus will go to hell. At a public school in Greenwich Village, I heard a congregant praise the anti-gay ministry that is affiliated with the church planted at that school. From my seat in a public school library, I was instructed to pray for the glorious day that America's systems of government, law, finance, media and education would be overtaken by Christian control.
All of this happened at taxpayer-funded public schools.
In many instances, the churches in question were not spontaneous expressions of faith created by members of the local community. They were part of national groups that realized they could use a state subsidy to open up a branch office. National and international "church-planting" organizations, determined to save New York from its alleged Godlessness, rushed to establish taxpayer-subsidized houses of worship throughout New York City in each neighborhood's best piece of real estate — the public schools, where the kids are! Your tax dollars at work.
'Just' speech?
What happened to separation of church and state? Why is this happening now? It's the direct result of a 2001 U.S. Supreme Court decision, Good News Club v. Milford Central School, in which the court appeared to suggest that keeping religious groups out of schools was a violation of their free speech.
The court held that religion is nothing more than speech from a certain point of view, and therefore all these religious activities are protected by the First Amendment.
Is religion nothing more than speech from a certain point of view? I don't think so, and our founders didn't think so either. That is why they inserted two clauses in the First Amendment, the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause, that treat religion as something distinct from speech.
Our tax code doesn't treat religion as "just" speech either, which is why religions enjoy significant tax privileges. Our legal code doesn't treat religion as nothing more than speech, which is why religions don't have to adhere to the same antidiscrimination laws, for instance, that other for-profit and nonprofit groups must abide by.
More to the point, religions are free to promote the kinds of docterines — the idea that same-sex activity is an abomination, for instance — for which they are rightly excluded from government institutions. But in this case, the court overlooked all of that, and initiatives that force an inappropriate entanglement between church and school, such as Good News Clubs, are the direct result.
Subsequent federal rulings effectively forced the city to let churches in. In 2002, there was one church operating out of a public school in New York City. By 2011, the number had grown to over 100.
After a long legal battle culminating in a decision by the 2nd Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals, the religious groups were told to vacate the schools. But this is only a local victory, and the issue is far from settled. Legal advocacy groups of the Religious Right have vowed to continue the fight to overturn the 2nd Circuit's decision.
Evangelism by peers
In the course of researching my book, I discovered that church-planting and Good News Clubs were not the only religious initiatives in public schools.
I became aware that there are enormous resources being devoted to something called "peer evangelism" — getting kids to be more visibly religious on campus in order to create a sense of a religious or "in-group" and thus convert their peers.
To reiterate, I support the right of kids to talk about their religion with their friends at school. But many of the peer evangelism efforts I witnessed can't be really defined as "student-led."
For instance, last fall I participated in an annual prayer event that takes place on thousands of America's public school campuses called "See You at the Pole." It's well-established that students are allowed to pray in school, and the legal understanding is that as long as they lead the prayers themselves it's perfectly acceptable.
But it turns out that even though the prayers themselves were led by students, the event simply wouldn't have been the spectacle that it was without adults.
Churches order materials including signs, booklets and T-shirts from See You at the Pole's central offices near Fort Worth, Texas, allowing adults to organize the event on behalf of their youth groups. At the See You at the Pole I attended, pastors in the area produced a slick video telling kids to participate and put it on YouTube.
Many of those same pastors showed up and participated at the event. The vast majority of the kids who attended the See You at the Pole event on school grounds also attended a party afterward at a local megachurch. The church event was staffed by adults wearing "See You at the Pole" T-shirts.
The event was "student-led" in the same way that a peewee soccer league is. It may be the kids kicking the ball, but it wouldn't happen without adults on the sidelines telling them what to do, cheering them on and funding and promoting the whole event.
The idea that "it's OK as long as the kids do it" is now so pervasive among those who view the public schools as missionary fields that leaders of religious advocacy groups are publishing books with titles like Reclaim Your School: 10 Ways to Legally Evangelize Your School. Their ideas include organizing on-campus "revival rallies" and turning oral reports into opportunities for kids to "witness" to their peers.
'God-given loophole'
The Life Book Movement is a pro-ject of Gideons International, which attempts to distribute bibles onto public school campuses, with mixed success. But they've hit the jackpot with the peer evangelism exception. The Life Book Movement gets kids to distribute "Life Books," or evangelical books written with teens in mind, to other kids in school.
Using kids to do what grownups are not allowed to do is "a God-given loophole," in the words of a movement leader. It "brilliantly threads a separation of church and state loophole." In just three years, the Life Book Movement claims to have distributed nearly 3 million of these books on public school campuses.
Student athletics also provides the Religious Right with opportunities for peer evangelism. I don't have a problem if, at the high school level, Christian athletes or Jewish athletes or Muslim athletes want to get together after school, perform acts of worship and talk about their religion. The problem is that many of these groups make their prayers part of the normal school day, forcing all kids to take a stand.
The largest of these athletic programs is the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, which instructs children on how to pray before, during and after school sports activities. The FCA seeks to present an open face of tolerance, thereby drawing in Christians of all types, but its leadership and support are hardline evangelical. Over the past 20 years, the FCA has grown from having 100,000 students involved to reaching nearly 1.8 million children.
Fellowship of Christian Athletes claims to use athletic fields to develop "character." Of course, membership in such clubs is technically optional.
But other evangelizing groups bring "character education" inside the school, and all children are required to participate.
There are hundreds of groups that use "character education" as a cover for religious proselytizing. Team Impact, Commandos! USA, the Power Team, Answering the Cries, Go to Tell Ministries, the Todd Becker Foundation and the Strength Team are just a few of the faith-based groups that come into the public schools with programs on drug addiction, drunk driving and other important topics and aim to leave with a collection of young religious converts.
Judicial activism
What do all these initiatives have in common? They have strong backing and support from Christian legal advocacy groups like the Alliance Defending Freedom, Liberty Counsel, the American Center for Law and Justice and the Pacific Justice Institute. You may not have heard of them, but they have combined budgets of over $100 million per year. These groups are determined to turn America into a so-called Christian nation, and they have public schools in their sights.
This brings me to one of my main points: judicial activism from the right. The pivotal moment was the 2001 Supreme Court decision Good News Club v. Milford Central School. In that decision, the court pushed free speech so far that the Establishment Clause, which prohibits government endorsement or funding of religion, has been eviscerated.
They've used the distinction between school-sponsored speech and student speech as a kind of loophole. The Supreme Court opened the doors to let programs like the Good News Club turn public schools into mission fields.
In conclusion, there isn't much doubt that the separation of church and state is being undermined. These multiple initiatives are breaches of the spirit of constitutional law, if not the letter. But much more important than these individual breaches is the ongoing and largely successful project of undermining public education.
All of these religious initiatives in the schools, aggressively pursued, will chip away at the credibility and standing of the public school system. The work of the Good News Club and its friends creates precisely those ills against which the separation of church and state was intended to defend. That separation is not just a luxury of our system of government. It is the foundation of it.
Sometimes we deceive ourselves about the nature of the problems we face. We suppose for legal purposes that a school building is just a building, when it is not. We suppose that education is just another transaction, when it is much more than that.
We have grown so used to the idea that collective action is never more than an infringement on individual rights that we easily overlook one of the most successful collective efforts in our history: the public schools.
We may well find, in a future world, where the rich have their schools, the religious have theirs, the poor don't get educated at all and everyone is schooled in contempt for those who are different, that we have kept all of our rights, yet lost everything but the pretense of democracy.
Investigative journalist and author Katherine Stewart's latest book is The Good News Club: The Christian Right's Stealth Assault on America's Children. She's written for the Village Voice, Newsweek, Rolling Stone, Marie Claire, New York Times, Daily Beast, Bloomberg View, Religion Dispatches and The Guardian. She lives with her family in New York City.


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The Lawrence Tech chapter of the National Society of Black Engineers is hosting its annual 3-on-3 basketball tournament Saturday, April 21, 11 a.m. to 3 p.m. at Lawrence Tech's Ridler Field House. The entry fee is $30 per team.
The double-elimination tournament is open to players of all ages. Non-marking soles are required.
The champions will win half of the pot. This is a fund-raiser for "A Walk for Education," a grassroots program that increases the awareness of opportunities through education, particularly in science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) programs.
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As a symbol of a person's spirit or soul, fish are prevalent in Yolngu painting and the Ancestral Catfish features as an important part of the Djalumbu [hollow log] ceremony.
Manbiri (the catfish) also came from the east, from Gapuwiyak. While Murayana danced, people ate the Catfish and placed the bones inside the hollow log.
The darter feeds upon catfish and the action of descending to snatch the catfish from underwater is a metaphor for the transition from life to death.
The bones of the catfish which symbolise the bones and soul of the deceased person are expressed as a parallel-line or herringbone pattern in bark paintings as well as on hollow log coffins. Yirritja artist Jimmy Wululu, Malangi's nephew, who has rights to paint Yathalamarra stories, is best known for his barks and hollow logs decorated with the bone design, as featured in The Aboriginal Memorial in the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander gallery on the entrance level of the National Gallery of Australia.[1]
[1] Excerpt from Margie West, 'Yathalamara — land of the waterlily' in the exhibition catalogue No ordinary place: the art of David Malangi, Canberra: National Gallery of Australia, 2004, p. 42–50.
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Red flags in the European Union press freedom debate
The European Union enjoys waving the banner of press freedom overseas. However, it is sometimes at a loss when it has to define its approach to press freedom among its own member states.
Last year, the EU tried and failed to convince the Hungarian government to radically amend its highly controversial media law. The conservative Prime Minister Viktor Orban deflected the pressure by playing on the vagueness of EU treaties and on the fear of Brussels' intervention in the member states' "internal affairs."


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I think "maybe" Robert Pattinson's Stardom is going to his head. Ditching Kristen to sneak off and be with "Just" Katy Perry! He is starting to make me nauseated, a bit disgusting! I thought Katy Perry was Kristen's friend too? OBVIOUSLY not! Katy Perry and Robert Pattinson Just Used Kristen Stewart so they could get together! I personally will NEVER watch another Pattinson Movie OR listen to Katy Perry's music AGAIN! They are both just plain STUCK UP, CRUEL, celebrities that feel they can do WHATEVER they want. #1. Katy do you really need everybody's man? #2. Robert, do you ever REMEMBER where you would be today if Kristen HADN'T picked you to be in Twighlight???? Robert Pattinson and Katy Perry (together) is SICKENING to even THINK of! YUCK! I don't care what ANYBODY did, NO ONE deserves what those two are up to against Kristen!! All she "technically" did was kiss a guy (sorry, but I do not consider that cheating?) R.P. & K.P are openly, publicly, FLAUNTING it! Pretty obvious what they are up to! Considering Robert P. declined to take photo with fan! Of coarse he doesn't allow it anymore! He is just too FAMOUS now (at least he thinks…….too bad he can't ACT worth a crap). HOPE he falls flat on his face if he does this, after all he has allowed Kristen Stewart to do for HIM! To make amends, and he gives her "A PEN" (From R) as a gift! Oh Wasn't That Just Loving!!! Why did he even bother? He won't do or go "happily" anywhere for Kristen anymore! Seriously, am I the only one that SEES this? Ever girl's dreamboat, right? HA! His FAMILY thinks he's SO great!
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I was wondering if I was the only one who thought that! No man flies across the country to hang out with his buddies and Katy Perry "just happened" to be there — B***S***! Somethings going on there for sure. Everywhere Rob goes Katy Perry shows up. Katy was Kristens friend,wheres Katys loyalty? For Rob to never want to hold Kristens hand anymore when they're out, and now not showing up at the Met and walking with her like the other couples,Kristen should dump him. Did he even see her at the after party?? Something tells me hes no angel either, and Kristen is getting a bad wrap!! Open your eyes Kristen!! Katy Perry is TRASH and I'm getting where I'm sick of ROB too! Act like a man that loves his woman and be with Kristen,we all know ur together — start acting like it!
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Artist Spotlight: Michelle Fleck
Paintings by San Francisco-based artist Michelle Fleck. More images below.
Paintings by San Francisco-based artist Michelle Fleck. More images below.
An otherworldly audio-visual phenomenon by South Korean artists Kimchi and Chips (aka Mimi Son and Elliot Woods). Constructing an elaborate apparatus out of hundreds of projectors, mirrors and speakers the duo experiment with the materialization of objects from beams of light. Check out more images and video below!
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Photographer Camilo José Vergara has committed more than four decades of his life to his photographic archive project "Tracking Time". Year after year he has returned to poor, minority communities around the United States to re-photograph them from the same vantage points. In 2013, Vergara was awarded the National Humanities Medal by President Barack Obama, and was the first photographer ever to receive this honour.
See more images of his incredible project below.
Lovely work by Korean artist Miwon Yoon. See more images below.
Artist Paula Crown creates 150 ceramic replicas of those iconically cheap disposable red cups for her latest sculptural installation, inviting us to consider the complexity of the mundane and the temporality of togetherness. See more images from "Solo Together" below or on display at 10 Hanover gallery in London until June 8.


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Suspecting Pulmonary Hypertension (PH) in the Dyspneic Patient: Who, When and How
Pulmonary hypertension (elevated right ventricular systolic pressure) is common, often caused by left heart disease but also associated with various lung diseases or idiopathic in origin. A less common but deadly form, PAH is usually undiagnosed or misdiagnosed until it has progressed to an advanced stage. This case-based lecture, designed for primary care clinicians, identifies clinical clues for the presence of PH in dyspneic patients; presents keys to differentiating PAH from other more common forms of PH; and offers a practical paradigm for collaborative diagnosis and optimal long-term management of PAH.
Screening, Diagnosis and Treatment of PAH: An Overview
Appropriate for front-line cardiovascular, pulmonary, rheumatology, and primary care clinicians, this comprehensive overview identifies key epidemiologic and pathophysiologic features of PAH; presents the current diagnostic algorithm, highlighting important tests and techniques; summarizes the clinical trial evidence base for approved therapies targeting 3 critical disease pathways; and offers state-of-the-art risk assessment and disease management strategies.
Screening, Diagnosis and Treatment of PAH: The Allied Health Professional Perspective
Allied health professionals play important roles in comprehensive screening, diagnosis and long-term management of PAH. This lecture identifies specific points of care where nurses, pharmacists and respiratory therapists contribute, elucidates how current PAH guidelines apply, and offers strategies that allow allied health professionals to optimize collaborative clinical care of patients with PAH.
Integrating Guidelines and Clinical Trial Evidence Into Optimal Collaborative Care for Patients With PAH
Designed for clinicians who screen for or help manage the long-term care of patients with PAH, this presentation highlights key features of the diagnostic and therapeutic decision trees in the initial and long-term evaluation and management of PAH, identifying pivotal tests and assessing the clinical trial evidence base, as well as best practices for optimal collaborative care involving health care professionals on the front line and those at PAH referral centers.
Current Approaches to PH: Clinical Cases Across Categories
Pulmonary hypertension is broadly classified into 5 groups that share similar pathological and hemodynamic characteristics and therapeutic approaches: PAH, PH due to LHD, PH due to lung diseases and/or hypoxia, CTEPH, and PH with unclear multifactorial mechanisms. This lecture uses a case-based approach to explore current paradigms and clinical pearls in the diagnosis and management of PH across classifications.
Pulmonary Hypertension in Patients With Connective Tissue Disease
Of particular value for clinicians who screen or care for patients with or at risk for connective tissue diseases (CTDs), this presentation outlines the epidemiology and prognostic significance of PH in common CTDs, with a focus on systemic sclerosis; presents evidence supporting the urgent need for effective screening and early diagnosis of pulmonary complications in these patients; and offers practical strategies for comprehensive diagnosis and treatment of PAH in patients with CTDs.
Chronic Thromboembolic PH (CTEPH): An Overview
Occurring as a result of non-resolved acute pulmonary embolism, the diagnosis of CTEPH is often missed or delayed. This lecture reviews the pathophysiology of CTEPH, describes appropriate workup and screening, instructs on optimal preoperative evaluation and postoperative care associated with thromboendarterectomy, and identifies specific measures that can be taken to optimize outcomes over the long-term.
Cases in Cardiac Imaging: Focus on PH
Designed for cardiovascular and pulmonary specialists, this case-based presentation reviews the current diagnostic workup for PAH; assesses the benefits and limitations of standard imaging tools such as echocardiography, as well as newer modalities such as magnetic resonance imaging; demonstrates the core value of right heart catheterization (including vasodilator testing) as the diagnostic gold standard; and summarizes the benefits and limitations of cardiac imaging tools in assessing the effects of PAH treatments acutely and over the long term.
Under Pressure: The Right Ventricle in PAH
Right ventricular (RV) function is closely associated with symptoms and survival in PAH. This lecture, most appropriate for clinicians with some working knowledge of PAH, is designed to enhance understanding of the role of the right ventricle in disease progression, determine appropriate methods for its imaging and functional assessment, assess prognostic implications of declining RV function and impact of PAH therapies, and implement appropriate management of RV failure in patients with PAH.
New Concepts and Clinical Controversies in PAH
Designed for cardiopulmonary specialists with extensive PAH experience, this presentation explores newer concepts and clinical controversies in the diagnosis and management of PAH, such as the role of various biomarkers and imaging techniques, the benefits and limitations of combination versus sequential therapy, the relative merits of early diagnosis and more aggressive management versus a more gradual approach, and the strengths and limitations of specific end points in clinical trials and practice.
Highlights of the 5th World Symposium on PH
Clinicians already familiar with the basic epidemiologic, pathophysiologic, diagnostic, and clinical management cornerstones of PH will benefit from this lecture highlighting the latest concepts and clinical paradigms 129 global experts put forth in their task-force findings and recommendations at the most recent world symposium on PH in Nice.
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April 15, 1977
St. Louis, MO US
Arena (St. Louis)
The Song Remains The Same, (The Rover intro) Sick Again, Nobody's Fault But Mine, In My Time of Dying, Since I've Been Loving You, No Quarter, Ten Years Gone, Battle of Evermore, Going to California, Black Country Woman, Bron-Y-Aur Stomp, White Summer ~ Black Mountainside, Kashmir, (Out On the Tiles intro) Moby Dick, Jimmy Page solo, Achilles Last Stand, Stairway to Heaven. (no encore)
Click here to view the US '77 Tour Programme (flipbook)
Press Review: St Louis: "we aren't going to mess around – we're just going to play," a serious Robert Plant promised the capacity house who'd gathered in the 20,000 seat arena to witness the phoenix-like return of Led Zeppelin to the stage from what Plant euphemized as their "physical interlude" – the forced hiatus that resulted from the critical injuries he suffered in an auto accident during the summer of 1975.
It was obvious from his comment, made two songs into the programme, that Zeppelin weren't interested in tea and sympathy, but rather in defending their supergroup status which, as they well knew, was sorely in need of it in St Louis after their sorry past performances in this city.
Indeed, while they had been, as usual, nearly an hour late in starting, the openers, The Song Remains the Same and a tough, angry version of Sick Again, had offered considerable proof that they meant to keep their lead singer's word. And as if to further confirm it, there already a broken string hanging down from Jimmy Page's tortured double-neck.
But it was not until they were successfully done with the metallic blues of their next song, Nobody's Fault But Mine, that Plant himself (whose stint on harmonica had been Fault's special treat) seemed fully satisfied they would live up to his commitment.
"It looks like it's going to be a good one, he righty, if cautiously surmised, and they quickly moved ahead to In My Time of Dying – It's challenging breaks, and Page's bottleneck leads and Plant's woeful wails all most impressively executed. But should there happen to have been any yet-remaining doubts in anyone's mind as to Zeppelin's fitness, the soul wrenching dealt by Since I've Been Loving You could not help but have dispelled them completely.
Plant's purgative, bleeding cries – so reminiscent of Janis Joplin – and the taunting, almost brutal exchange between his voice and the instruments brought the concert to its first of several climaxes. That there had been a deep-down change in this group was now impossible not to recognize; one could only presume the vicarious effects of Plant's ordeal had served to turn Led Zeppelin inside out. More than making statements, their music was asking questions, to such an extent that most of the songs sounded as if they were ended on the interrogative (as opposed to carelessly open ended).
There was absolutely nothing to deny their purposefulness – no smugness, no sloppiness, and no more holding back. Just an apparent all-out effort on the part of each man to make Led Zeppelin the best and most significant rock band in the world. (MM/ P. Dewing | April 1977)


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I like the show and all the girls from series two have some psychological problems.oh pardon.. please please don't let Jennelle alone with Jase. ( Jase Grand-ma is the start , I was raised by my grand mother , so he is in good hands) and katlein what is your problem? you have to relax. your father son has the same right as you.
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What a kookier way to begin HSRT's summer of love than with The 39 Steps! Combine a Hitchcock masterpiece with a juicy spy novel, throw in a dash of Monty Python and you have The 39 Steps, a fast-paced whodunit for anyone who loves the magic of theatre!
This 2-time Tony® and Drama Desk Award-winning treat is packed with non-stop laughs, over 150 zany characters (played by a ridiculously talented cast of four), and some good old-fashioned romance! Adapted by Patrick Barlow, from the novel by John Buchan and from the movie of Alfred Hitchcock,
The 39 Steps runs for a limited engagement at the Knickbocker Theatre (86 East 8th Street) on June 14, 15, 19, 20, 26, 27, 29, and July 6 at 8:00 p.m.
Richard Hannay's mysterious new acquaintance, Annabella Schmidt, brings more than just company to his quiet English home; she brings with her a secret vital to the safety of the country itself. Before she can reveal her secrets to Hannay, she is murdered, leaving him without any answers. With only a few clues to guide him, it is now up to Hannay to find the 39 steps, which she spoke of, prove his innocence, and saveEngland.
Playing the role of Richard Hannay is Russell Jonas (Dallas,Texas), who made his HSRT debut last season in Pride and Prejudice and An Inspector Calls, as Charles Bingley and Gerald Croft respectively. Kate Thomsen (Holland,Mich.), who will take on the role of Annabella Schmidt, is returning for her second season as well; last season playing Mrs. Gardiner in Pride and Prejudice. Newcomers to HSRT, Glen Forbes (Ada, Mich.), originally from Dublin, Ireland joins the cast in The 39 Steps as Clown 1 and Joshua Kumler (Jupiter, Fla.), a senior at Southern Methodist University, will be Clown 2.
The 39 Steps is directed by longtimeHopeCollegefaculty member and founder of HSRT, John Tammi. The production team for The 39 Steps is: Stage Manager Rebekah Carriere, Scenic Designer Micah Maatman, Lighting Designer Erik Alberg, Costume Designer Jodi Ozimek, Sound Designer Amanda Were, Props Master Wyatt Tilke, Charge Artist Aaron O'Neill, Master Electrician Krystal Martinez, and Costume Shop Manager Jessica Leslie.
Prices range from $12 - $21 for The 39 Steps.
Individual tickets are now on sale at the DeWitt Ticket Office (141 E. 12th Street) from Monday through Friday 10 a.m. – 5 p.m. and Saturdays from Noon– Intermission. Our new 8th Street Ticket Office (100 E. 8th Street– Main Level) is open Monday through Friday 10 a.m. – 5 p.m. Patrons can purchase individual tickets online or by calling 616-395-7890.


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Opened in 1984, Robert K. Kraft Field at Lawrence A. Wien Stadium at Baker Athletics Complex is now in its third decade as the official Lions' Den. A 17,000-seat facility, it is home to Columbia's football and lacrosse teams.
A new artificial playing surface was installed at Wien Stadium in 2005. The Lions now practice and compete on FieldTurf, the same infill system used by many NFL teams.
In October 2007, Columbia announced that the playing field at Lawrence A. Wien Stadium will be named Robert K. Kraft Field in honor of Robert Kraft '63CC, owner of the New England Patriots and Chairman and CEO of the Kraft Group.
In addition to providing a modern facility for Columbia's student-athletes, Lawrence A. Wien Stadium acts as a modern athletics arena in a traditional setting which provides for the needs of fans, alumni, and the media. The Columbia press box, located on the east side of the field, stands at the top of a three-level structure that also houses the Maniatty-Remmer Lounge, home to numerous alumni gatherings. The home stands, below the press and lounge areas, hold 10,500 spectators in armchair, contour and bench seats. In 1986 the west stands were dedicated. The construction of the 6,500-seat west bleachers increased stadium capacity to the current 17,000.
Beyond the west stands is a panoramic view of Spuyten Duyvil, the confluence of the Harlem and Hudson rivers, and the New Jersey Palisades. The view is one reason that Wien Stadium was featured in Sports Illustrated as one of the most beautiful places in the country to watch a football game.
Wien Stadium also boasts a 400-meter, all-weather, eight-lane track, making it one of the finest track & field facilities in the area. Since its installation, it has been the site for the New York Track & Field Games, the Heptagonal Championships and the Metropolitan Championships. The stadium also features a video scoreboard at the north end of the stadium, one of the first of its kind in the Ivy League.
(Note - Parking for Football games in and around Baker Athletics Complex is extremely limited. Fans are encouraged to use mass transit when possible.)
BY AUTOMOBILE: From WEST SIDE HIGHWAY/HENRY HUDSON PARKWAY: Exit Dyckman Street, and proceed east to Broadway. Make a left on Broadway and proceed 20 blocks north to 218th Street.
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*From MAJOR DEEGAN EXPRESSWAY (I-87): Exit 230th Street. Proceed on 230th Street westbound (from north – make right at light; from south make left at light). Continue on 230th Street to Broadway. Make left on Broadway and proceed 12 blocks to 218th Street.
From WEST: Take George Washington Bridge and follow signs for Henry Hudson Parkway North or Major Deegan Expressway North (follow directions above).
From NORTH: Take Cross-Westchester Expressway (I-287) or Cross-County Parkway west to Saw Mill River Parkway south. Take the Saw Mill to the Henry Hudson Parkway South or Major Deegan Expressway South (follow directions above).
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By MTA NEW YORK CITY SUBWAY: Broadway-Seventh Avenue IRT Local ("1" train) north or south to 215th Street, then walk two blocks north and cross Broadway at W. 218th Street. OR 8th Avenue IND Express ("A" train) north to 207th Street, then proceed north to 218th Street.
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February 27, 1972
Sydney, AU
Immigrant Song, Heartbreaker, Black Dog, Since I've Been Loving You, Celebration Day, Stairway to Heaven, Going to California, That's the Way, Tangerine, Bron-Y-Aur Stomp, Dazed and Confused, What Is and What Should Never Be, Moby Dick, Rock and Roll, Whole Lotta Love (medley incl. Let That Boy Boogie, Hello Mary Lou, Let's Have a Party, Lawdy Miss Clawdy, Going Down Slow), Communication Breakdown, Organ solo ~ Thank You.
While in town, the band attends a press party and conducts interviews for radio and television. Footage from this concert and the press party is featured on the official dvd, released in 2003.
Click here to view the 1972 Australian tour programme
Sound System:
Showco Sound System
Jands (Additional) System
2 x RCA W Bin c/w 2 x JBL K140
2 x JBL 4550 c/w 2 x JBL K130
2 x JBL 2350 Horn + 2480 Driver
2 x JBL 2355 Horn + 2440 Driver
2 x JBL 2356 Horn + 2480 Driver
8 x JBL 2402
12 x Jands 150w Power Amplifiers
Press Report: The Led Zeppelin concert at the showgrounds last Sunday must rate as one of the best ever held in Sydney - but, if the crowd had not stormed the fences, it could have been the worst.
The official attendence figure was 27,000 but senior police officers at the concert estimated the crowd at "at least 30,000". According to showground officials the three stands used last Sunday have a maximum capacity of 25,000 - so whatever way you look at it the ground was dangerously overcrowded.
Despite the fact that there were no seats left at mid-day and no standing room by 1.30pm., people were still coming through the gates at 2.30pm. The overcrowding that existed before the fences were stormed must never be allowed to occur again because next time someone could be killed in the crush. Once capacity is reached the gates should be closed. David D. Bryant The Sun-Herald, 5 March 1972, p. 109.
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Sydney Concert Setlist
This was the first concert I ever attended and from what I've read on the web and magazine articlesit was one of their most memorable.
One song that is always omitted from the setlist is Celebration Day.
The band also played part of The Rover during Dazed and Confused.