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Thursday, February 4, 2010
Spoiler: "Bachelor" Jake Picks Vienna
What do you think about Jake picking Vienna? Good choice or bad? Leave a comment and share your thoughts!
111 comments:
Picking Vienna....he must have something wrong with him. First, she is too young. Secondly, she is spoiled and immature. Of the final four she is the least favorite. We should have known though, he has stated in People magazine he picks someone who will not be a fan favorite. Oh well, just another dissapointment on the Bachelor!!!
- January 16, 2010 at 8:30 PM
i like vienna, yeah she is young but she seems to have a lot of potential. I think that it is really messed up what the other girls are doing and saying about her to Jake. Ali was my favorite until tonight when I saw how she would slander someone like that.
- January 18, 2010 at 11:08 PM
wow. she's 8 years younger and a total flake. "my daddy buys me anything" good lord
- January 18, 2010 at 11:14 PM
- Loretta said...
Picking Vienna tells us more about him....come on there's not a lot of depth here. Seems like a good match to me.
- January 19, 2010 at 10:16 AM
If that's true, I am very disappointed in Jake's taste. The fact that all the other women had a problem with Vienna should have been a huge red flag? Ali seemed so right and real for him.
- January 19, 2010 at 2:50 PM
Everyone who thinks Vienna is a bad choice is freaking retarded. The girls in the house are jealous of her because she has a close relationship with Jake. They feel threatened by her. Vienna is honest with Jake and of course she is going to keep talking about her date with Jake because she doesnt have her friends there to talk about it with. Any other girl that goes on a date with himn is going to do the exact same. And EVERYONE fights on that show-not JUST Vienna. And the fact that she tried to apologize and they slapped her in the face and made pacts to trash her and eliminate any chance with Jake shows everyone that the rest of the stupid girls are the immature ones.
- January 19, 2010 at 3:13 PM
I think Vienna is a typical 23 year old spoiled girl. She may have issues, but what rich "Daddy's Girl" at 23 doesn't? He sees something special in her.... well then good for him to look past the immature side of her. Don't get me wrong..... she is my least favorite too.... I like Ella & Tenleigh... but he seems like a nice guy who maybe needs a "not so nice" girl!!! It's their lives, let learn from their mistakes.
- January 19, 2010 at 6:13 PM
you mean horse face wins???? oh my!
- January 24, 2010 at 5:27 PM
He should've picked Tenley but still think Vienna's a good girl tho... Want Michelle 2be the nxt Bachelorette lol!!!
- January 25, 2010 at 5:07 PM
I really think he picked the wrong girl, she is way to young. And by her actions she doesn't want to get married and have children right away. I hope this spoiler is so off. I like Ali and Tenley myself. He needs a woman, not a young spoiled brat.
- January 25, 2010 at 5:43 PM
I heard Ella goes tonight. Seems strange after such a good one on one date they had. I am surprised that he picks Vienna. I don't see them together at all. I don't think it will last. If Ali isn't picked, as rumored, she would make a good bachelorette!
- January 25, 2010 at 8:06 PM
Ali was the best she shouldnt have left. Vienna is a stupid bitch.
- January 25, 2010 at 10:07 PM
- Donna said...
Just because all the girls talk about her dont mean anything all those girls are jelous Dont you judge people for yourself or do you follow others? Really what did she do wrong? Talk about her date! maybe she didnt mean to do that on purpose it was just a reaction of having a good time and possibly falling in love!! Everyone hating her is just making me route for her. Ali is so jelous anyone that gets close to jake will be her victum
- January 25, 2010 at 10:14 PM
Vienna is such a bad choice. She may be fun for a while but hearing her talk about herself all the time will get old QUICK!...I personally like Ali and Tenly and can't choose between them. Either one of them would be a good choice for the next Bachelorette. There's still hope this one is wrong.
- January 25, 2010 at 10:28 PM
OMG, I have just lost faith in the entire show. I doubt I will be able to watch it again. Vienna? Come on. Ali should have won. Vienna wasn't serious.
- January 25, 2010 at 10:45 PM
I'm sick of the other harpies who can't seem to find anything better to do than rip on Vienna. At this point I'm rooting for her just because I hate the rest of them and their back-biting.
- January 25, 2010 at 11:04 PM
Since Reality Steve always knows what is going on and Vienna is such a BRAT...I think it has been rigged from the start....no decent man in his right mind would have kept her after the on girl said something tonight and he said he had noticed and "heard every word" that she said....completely crap
- January 25, 2010 at 11:15 PM
She's sooo dumb and ugly! I mean if he wants kids, she doesn't seem like the type who would want them in the first place...I really love Tenley!
- January 25, 2010 at 11:17 PM
All of the girls this season are horrible! The only one with any class was Ella, and now she's gone. Obviously Jake is not who I thought he was. If cross eyes really wins, don't think I can watch anymore seasons. Oh well, I guess all things must come to an end. There are probably other things I should be doing anyway!
- January 25, 2010 at 11:39 PM
Ali? Can anyone say BITCH! How could anyone like her. She's a little stuck up to think she's so much different from Vienna. You both went on a cheesy reality show!
- January 25, 2010 at 11:43 PM
I decided to come on bachelor spoilers b/c I don't care anymore. Ella was the only decent choice. Tenley is way too bubbly and annoying, Ali is a bitch, and Vienna is a shallow horseface crosseyed Paris Hilton wannabe. If that is who he picks, then he has to be gay like I've always thought!
- January 25, 2010 at 11:58 PM
pathetic pathetic choice is all i gotta say she point blank said she wants to trave the world with him and hes all up on a family n a life 60 years. i dont see where family will fit in to that plan. it seems the bachelor is becoming more of a pathetic drama than a show for love.
- January 26, 2010 at 12:36 AM
I really am a fan of Jake and hoped he would be on this show. In watching him I think I know why he is still a bachelor. He said he had few second dates and that appears to be because he makes unwise choices in women. My favorite of his selection is Vienna at this time. He seems to eliminate any woman that can carry on an intelligent conversation or that may be due to editing that I have formed that opinion. The group of women he had on the inital show demonstrated that he likes less mature women. My inital favorite was the National Guard pilot. She would have made a good choice but he eliminated her quickly. Then last night when he let Ella go I knew he does not seem to wish for someone mature and intelligent. I think Vienna will be a fine choice, however, there may have been others that would have been much better. Ella was beautiful and they seemed like a splendid couple. The other ladies that echo Ali in regards to Vienna are unkind. Ali, in particular waste much of her time complaining about Vienna and that really makes her unattractive and less desirable. I wish Jake the best. If Vienna is his choice then I do hope they have a loving life together. He should just end this season early by putting a video tape in the home where the women are staying, and he could judge better what they are really made of.
- January 26, 2010 at 12:04 PM
I never liked Vienna. People who play games to gain an edge is unauthentic. If Vienna sincerely believe in her "goods", go for it. No false pretense needed.
- January 30, 2010 at 6:30 PM
Love Gia. She got left out of the conversation here. We should be talking her up!!!!! Beautiful, graceful, and perfect. Where are Jake's eyes?!
- January 30, 2010 at 6:32 PM
If Vienna wins then they deserve one another; he is so naive and she knows what buttons to push, seems she's had plenty of experience already pushing 'daddy's' buttons LOL, may the best girl win....no doubt the show is one of the least interesting since its inception. All the remaining girls can and will do better - sorry Jake.
- February 1, 2010 at 11:37 PM
this has to be a joke! i cant stand to watch tenley get hurt. and she cannot be the next bachelorette she is too sweet. i dont see it happening.
- February 2, 2010 at 2:33 AM
Remember how Jake came back to warn Jillian about Wes???? Well, is he an idiot because he is not taking the warnings from all the other girls in the house about Vienna? He has to realize, like he did. . . that that maybe these girls see more than he does since they are living together. I realize there is a lot of editing and we don't see everything but. . . He's DUMB!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- February 2, 2010 at 11:11 AM
Picking Vienna is a good choice! She does not let the other girls spoil her moment or let them put her down, and she is there to be with Jake and that is all that matters! :)
- February 2, 2010 at 11:51 AM
I think Jake will have a world of hurt with that one. They will never Marry!!!!!!!!!!!
- February 2, 2010 at 3:36 PM
- February 2, 2010 at 8:39 PM
I think Vienna is a great choice. She's able to handle herself gracefully even after all the bitchiness from the other girls. Ali is white trash with a huge chip on her shoulder.
- February 3, 2010 at 9:51 AM
Anyone see him throw the football?????
Seriously, this is just a tv show so we should just go along for the ride. Its fun to watch... the couple never stays together. Gillian and Ed announced their breakup RIGHT AFTER THEY WERE ON THIS SEASON! Poor Trista and Ryan have to be sick of being dragged on to the show since they are the ONLY couple to stay together. Just have fun with it! Jake is handsome, but I'm not sure he is too bright. Nice though.
- February 3, 2010 at 10:29 PM
Jake says he is looking for a strong woman. He obviously THINKS he knows what he is looking for in a wife-sending four women home in one night! He says V is strong in being afraid herself but was there for him in the bungie jump. She is also strong to take all that rejection from the other girls and stay focused on Jake. Come on. I would so have my feelings hurt by the other girls' hatred and treatment of me and I would soooo be telling Jake how mean they have been to me but V has chosen not to go that route. J and V have chemistry and have fun together. I doubt it will last, though, because I don't think Jake REALLY knows what he needs/wants in a wife. He will get cold feet.
- February 4, 2010 at 4:22 PM
Do I think they'll stay together? Nah! Do they belong together, absolutely. The stereotype about pilots is they are very egotistical. Vienna bolsters his ego and he hers. She is pursuing him much stronger than the other girls and that makes his head swim.
- February 4, 2010 at 9:16 PM
Cant stand Vienna! Everything about her is fake! Spoiled rotten and extremely immature! What a huge disappointment if he chooses her!Will never last! Everything said about her has been bad. Could so many people be wrong. Dont think so. Its all about Vienna and nobody else.
- February 5, 2010 at 3:58 PM
Hasn't anyone read the article in US Magazine about Vienna? She was married before to a young Marine that while he was away in Iraq, she took all of his savings and spent it on her boob job... Then she reportedly hid all of the poor guys belongings in a storage unit and wouldn't tell anyone where it was... but hey, don't believe me..go to the US Magazine site and read it for yourself or go to realitysteve.com.
- February 6, 2010 at 12:06 AM
It's true - he is looking for a strong woman. Jillian was a strong career woman, and he was totally smitten with her. In that way Ali is very much like Jillian, and I think if she stayed she'd have had a very good chance. Next to Ali, Vienna seems to be the second strongest. He truly does like a take charge woman, and Vienna is that if nothing else. Likewise, even though Tenley is obviously the best match for him, she's not very take charge, so unfortunately doesn't have a chance.
Poor Jake is blinded by love and I'm positive that he and Vienna will have broken up by the airing of the final episode, and we'll all be swearing never to watch The Bachelor again (but will anyway - lol).
- February 7, 2010 at 9:46 PM
:( ugh how can he not pick tenley!!! They are disgustingly cute together.
- February 8, 2010 at 10:17 PM
If that's the case I think that this show is ruined for me. I can't stand Vienna. She is such a spoiled little brat who craves attention. I think it is just one big game/contest for her. I don't think she is really in it for love. If Jake can't see that-I feel really sorry for him. There is no way that that many woman can feel so strongly about one woman and that would be brushed off as them being jealous. There is something wrong with that chick!
- February 8, 2010 at 11:16 PM
I'm glad Ali left because if she cant commit to staying on the show, how will she commit to Jake and marriage? It is good she is committed to her job, but what happens when she starts a family? Can she commit to putting her family before her job?
- February 9, 2010 at 1:11 AM
Whoever wrote negative things about Vienna, YOU need to get your heads check. Before you even open your mouth, why don't you go and do your research on how the entertainment industry works! Whenever you apply yourself onto those kind of shows, you signed your rights to whatever rules they want you to abide by. So in those contracts, the show itself can present any image they want to the audience about any contestants on the show. For example, let's take some nice girl on the show and cut out all the nice clips and footage we've recorded and turn her into a mean individual by only showing the viewers all the clips when she's angry and such. Seriously, do your research before you open your mouths.
- February 9, 2010 at 1:26 AM
I happen to like Vienna. I've liked her from the very beginning. So what if she is "spoiled" a lot of women are, does that mean they do not deserve love? But I must say, if this is true, I'm a little disappointed because I was rooting for Gia also. But I'm glad Ali went home.. I didn't like her at all!
- February 9, 2010 at 1:44 AM
I am beyond disappointed that he would choose someone so immature and catty. She comes across as insecure and needy on the show and her lack of experience in life comes thru. What can one possibly learn by draining an ex husband's bank account for plastic surgery, having daddy hand you the set of keys to a new car every time you wreck one and wearing cheap looking extensions? Looks like someone is a master at manipulation, but given the track record of success on the relationships from the show, Bachelor fans will soon be happy when the 2 announce their split. Until then, just hope that Jake has managed to hide his financial info from her.
- February 9, 2010 at 10:56 AM
- Private said...
Tinley is a mess. Who could live with that baby voice for the rest of their lives. Plus the whole dancing for Jake last night was a disaster. I was yelling at the TV don't do it! Really...come on she was dresses like a 6 year old. The only dancing a grown straight man wants to see is on a stripper pole. Tinley isn't over her 1st husband. Plus she has a lot of growing up to do herself.
- February 9, 2010 at 3:27 PM
First of all, there is something definately wrong with Jake or he wouldn't be on the show. For a pilot he could meet tons of ladies. If he picked Vienna it shows exactly what is wrong with his decision. He sure doesn't know how to pick the right lady. He deserves to be single and miserable. Ali should have won. I don't blame her for leaving. He needs his head examined.
- February 9, 2010 at 4:12 PM
like everyone says vienna is really spoiled but i think her an jake are a relly good match for each other.
- February 9, 2010 at 10:33 PM
ugh not to be shallow but not only is vienna UGLY (at least compared to Gia, Ali & Tenley) but shes also a total bitch. honestly, jake always seemed a little fake to me.
My bet is that Ali's going to be the next Bachelorette.
- February 9, 2010 at 10:50 PM
- Losangelious said...
Seriously, there was a hand full of great women. I must say Ali, Jessie, Ella, Elizabeth from Nebraska should have been the potential four. He doesn't give a chance to smart and lovely women, who in hand may have there own problems. He chooses a person who has not come to understand and love herself, how do does one expect them to carry a relationship. It goes to show that the man has no taste.
- February 10, 2010 at 3:05 AM
Vienna looks like a horse, Gia sounds like a goat when she laughs, Tenntly talks like a 4 year old and about her ex-husband way to much (boring) and Ali I hate because she has a pig nose. Please, he could find someone normal and nice instead of these ugly girls.
- February 10, 2010 at 8:04 PM
- Nana and Papa Dannels said...
Please say it ain't so Vienna, Jake wanted to find love come on. Their were a lot more classy women. I do agree though that it is Jake's choice and He is the one that will have to live with and thankfully not me.
- February 10, 2010 at 8:15 PM
Vienna had to live in that house with Ali who was spreading bad things about her. She showed class by not telling Jake, exactly what was done to her. The jealousy was there from the others girls, especially Ali. She was a nasty, self centered person who didn t give a crap about Vienna s feelings. I hope he chooses Vienna. I liked her from the beginning. People shouldn t come on and comment nasty things about her appearance. Look in the mirror yourselfs. It is what is inside of her and what Jake sees in her that is important. Good luck Vienna and Jake
- February 14, 2010 at 8:36 PM
ugh vienna makes me sick. so far everything the spoilers have said have been true and this sucks so much b/c tenley is my favorite! she doesn't deserved to be thrown away over a nasty manipulating bitch like vienna. jake is going to find out in the end she is not the one for him just like jason did. i love jake but if he really does pick vienna then he gets what he deserves when she hurts him b/c tenley is really there for him and would be an amazing wife.
- February 15, 2010 at 8:12 PM
I hope Jake has a huge bank account because he's going to need it to take care of Vienna's nastified hair!
- February 15, 2010 at 10:02 PM
I think vienna is a good match for him. I met my husband when I was 18 and he was 26 so 8 must be a good age difference. Been together 19 years. So, I don't think age matters. I like vienna and I think Jake LIKES her. It's his life. Tenley is nice, but I just don't see them together. But whoever he choose will be the best for him. Good Luck Jake!
- February 15, 2010 at 10:14 PM
How could you marry an ugly ho who you can't even make eye contact with. I will definitely be drinking a 12 pack if he picks Vienna.
- February 15, 2010 at 10:32 PM
Vienna is cross eyed, unattractive and a skank. She drained her ex husband's bank account to pay for her knockers. I really thought jake was sincere and had a good head on his shoulders, but the more I watch this....the more I wonder what the hell is he doing??? Unfortunately Reality Steve is correct and that his is final choice. Her family are hill billies, her mother is an ex stripper, and her father is unintelligent. Need I say more? The apple does not fall far from the tree...... Good for you Jillian for sending him home! Ali, I love her....she made the right decision.
- February 15, 2010 at 10:43 PM
I agree with the comments above especially the skank part. This little ho ended up with him in a bedroom any chance she could even on the home town visit when all the rest sat with him in full family view she takes him into her room to swap spit and god only know what other bodily fluids. This imbecile marries her he marries the father to. Good choice Ali.
- February 15, 2010 at 11:22 PM
They are all actors. Even the bachelor. I hate to break it to you but corporate pilots make very little. Most are trying to gain time to go on to the majors like United, Delta, etc. They start at roughly $38K, so if these girls think he is going to be showing them the world.....lol! they may be thinking they will be living a life of a big house and a personal Chef...try Chef-boy-r-dee! All of these girls are shallow and looking to make a name, and probably the bachelor too since he "was" an actor wannabe. Who he picks doesn't matter. There is no reality to this show at all. FYI, girls if you are going to show tears, spend 1 minute on Google and learn that REAL tears come out of the corners of the eyes, and dumping saline comes down the center of your eyes!! So far all I have seen are fake fake fake.
- February 15, 2010 at 11:31 PM
If they say "OPPISITES ATTRACT" then I guess Vienna and Jake are perfect for eachother. In my oppinion, she should've been gone the first night. I wanted Ali or Tenleigh.
- February 16, 2010 at 12:03 AM
Vienna just seems like she is in it to win and manipulate, and apparently she's good at that to have fooled jake. Her whole attitude is disturbing, she doesn't care about anyone else just getting her way.
- February 16, 2010 at 1:04 AM
Well no wonder he was single and couldnt find "the right one".
Look at his decisions! Vienna of all the girls he had to choose from.He went with lust than luv. She's immature,scandalous and really, knowing her past..... Her track record shows what type of morals & values she has.
I won't be surprised when their break up makes the news.
- February 16, 2010 at 1:33 AM
All I can say is UGGO!!! She truly is a scanky, nasty biotch! How can people be so blind? Any of the final four would have been better than her. Yikes.
- February 16, 2010 at 4:06 PM
vienna is stupid ugly and i have no idea what was going on through jakes mind at that time but deinitley something scray she soo shouldnt of won she is sooo ugly shes fake!!!!!!!!!~(:
- February 16, 2010 at 6:34 PM
Vienna is a skank and she is very stuck up. She looks like a brabie and is fake. Tenley would have been the better pick because she is down to earth and very bubbly. I am hopin that Jake pulls a Jason on Vienna! He has obviously made the wrong choice once this is all over her will see the real Vienna....I AM SO DISSAPOINTED!!!!
- February 16, 2010 at 6:55 PM
Jake is not thinking about his life with Vienna long term. He is thinking "hey I was dateless Jake in high school and I never would be able to get a Jezebel like Vienna sausage in the real world" He is a straight laced middle class professional, and Vienna is a white trash river rat. Can you see family reunions with her family, everyone will be drinking and fighting and spitting chaw in a can. Unfortunately, he will find out too late that he should have picked Tenley once he realizes he can't take Miss Low Rent anywhere in public without being embarrassed. What an idiot!
- February 16, 2010 at 7:17 PM
jake... really vienna ?? good luck sugar daddy will be his new name. he wanted a kid and he got one..
- February 16, 2010 at 10:07 PM
I disagree with this!! I think it will all end differently. At least I hope so. Vienna isnt the one for him and he will soon find out if he did pick her. The claws will come out eventually. Tenley on the other hand is a sweet girl but I dont think she is ready for a serious relationship yet. She is still dealing with her ex husband even if she says she is over it she talks about it ALL the time. The wound is still fresh. Ali is the one for him and I have thought that from day 1. I hope she comes back and wins his heart! Now that would be the best Bachelor shocking ending ever!!! :)
- February 17, 2010 at 12:52 PM
I am very dissappointed that Jake picks Vienna although if history repeats itself, they won't stay together anyhow. Only one true couple has become of this reality show and that would be Trista and Ryan. I also think most of this show is set up and fake even though I would love to think otherwise.
- February 17, 2010 at 3:28 PM
I think there are reasons why the majority of the bachelors are bachelors....and why they remain so. Jake is always saying he is seeking inner beauty......sorry, I think in this type of situation where it is all about fantasy situations and quick paced dates....the men are going to naturally be swept away by sex appeal....it is just their nature and they really aren't given much of a chance to do other wise
- February 18, 2010 at 1:15 AM
I dont think Vienna is the right choice for him. Vienna is such a daddys girl I think it is timer to cut the strings from her daddy before she get a husband or a relationship. When she said my daddy buys me this and that well Jake isnt daddy. I still feel Ali should be with Jake they are so good together.
- February 18, 2010 at 11:46 AM
I've watch every week and am so disappointed. He looked like he had some class, apparently not! She has no class and is cheap looking. The other women had more to offer, like intelligence!
Oh well, what a waste of time this has been!
- February 18, 2010 at 7:41 PM
VIENNA IS A FLAKE!!! SHE'S A BIG DADDY'S GIRL, AND JAKE IS STUPID NOT TO PICK TENLEY, SHE WOULD BE AN AWESOME WIFE TO HIM. JAKE SHOULD LISTEN TO ALL THE GIRLS SAYING VIENNA IS BAD BECAUSE HE WAS THE ONE TO TELL JILLIAN ABOUT THE GUY HAVING A GIRLFRIEND LAST SEASON...AND HE WAS RIGHT..he needs to realize the other girls saw the REAL side of VIENNA...AND BESIDES SHE IS THE MOST UGLY CROSSEYED NASTY I'VE EVER SEEN. I CAN'T STAND LOOKING AT HER ON TV, SHE IS SO GROSS!
- February 18, 2010 at 10:36 PM
I liked Gia the best and I hope her or in the very least Ali make a come back. I thought Gia and him had the most compatibility/chemistry. I was surprised to see her go and think she was very classy in her departing words. Vienna is 23 come on and so tackily aggressive - she will drop him in a NY minute. Tenley was too much like him in that dorky way and we all know you can't marry your twin.
- February 18, 2010 at 11:29 PM
Vienna pretended to be a "little rich girl" but it was clear she came from a "trailer trash" background.....I guess in her mind she came from wealth....a pontoon boat and a beat up old picnic pavillion for dinner at her parents....come on.....and Tenley...well I am afraid that girl would have a heart attack if someone said BOO......Gia, no personality and sounded very monatone,,,,,,,,absolutely NO personality, she truly needs to "find herself" and quit being a victim because she was HURT so many times by guys.....the best choice would have been Allie...but she was the smart one that got the hell out of there.......
- February 21, 2010 at 8:45 PM
Vienna's hair looks like a G
eorge Washington Wig when she had her dress-up dinner date....was she wearing a george washington wig? And boy, does she have some wide ass hips.....good baby bearing hips.....big fat hillbilly lady in ten years.....
- February 21, 2010 at 8:52 PM
Leave Georgia Washington alone.....she has those big baby bearing hips from hunting and eating possum........poor thing...looks like it affected the shine and movement of her hair.....that is why she had to wear a George Washington wig......just let her go back to "Beverly Hillbillys"....
- February 21, 2010 at 8:56 PM
How did Gia end up with the "Jokers" smile.....must be all the injectables........
- February 21, 2010 at 8:58 PM
Hes an idiot!!
- February 22, 2010 at 12:59 PM
Jake is a GUY! A GUY people! Vienna showed more flesh.. Guys like that.. Other women should have been more naughty, it would have been more difficult to choose then!!
- February 22, 2010 at 8:37 PM
Wonder if Jake likes guys? Since he chose Vienna.. Her name must remind him of 'Sausages'!
- February 22, 2010 at 8:39 PM
I am very happy for Jake and Vienna They are a nice couple and have so much fun together. All of you jealous haters....Get a life!
- February 22, 2010 at 10:16 PM
Woo Hoo Happy tp hear about Jake and Vienna They are so cute together - All the jealous haters....blah blah blah get over your hatred and get a life!
- February 22, 2010 at 10:17 PM
Damn I was hoping Tenley would win since she's such a sweetheart and very beautiful but unfortinately it looks like Jake picked Vienna even though she ok but i like Ali & Tenley more & Gia's a sweetheart too - hope them girls end up with a guy that will treat them right. Well I believe that the time her & Jake jumped off the bridge together and were both terrified of heights was a lot of what I believed helped them build such a strong relationship along with the fact she showed Jake she was there for him is what I believe would be the biggest reason why he would choose Vienna.
- February 23, 2010 at 2:53 AM
I know some girls were alerting Jake about Vienna. I don't understand why Jake could not see something in what the girls were telling him. When Jake was on the Bachelorette, he re-entered the picture after not being given a rose. He came back into the picture to alert Jillian about Wes. So he had something credible to say to Jillian. Could the girls'(plural)comments about Vienna to Jake have any truth to it? I believe it did. If Jake's decision is Vienna; WOW. Surprising choice and I wouldn't want any of my brothers or my son to have such bad taste. Good luck to Jake and his family.
- February 23, 2010 at 3:13 AM
Vienna is "rich" trailer trash. Yes, she is young--but there is nothing classy about her. She is cross eyed; why go on tv looking like that. Young and still immature. Her ex-husband is one lucky guy now to be free to find another gal. Good luck to you Jake; it certainly is your choice.
- February 23, 2010 at 3:23 AM
While on the Bachelorette, it is interesting that Jake and Jason fared as favorites to be the Bachelor. Jason had his season and Jake's season is coming to an end. BOTH turn out to be pretty much flakes. Jake's choice of two girls is ... you got to be kidding me. I would like to see if this relationship lasts. Good luck to Jake. Good luck to Jason and his upcoming wedding. What a show. Fun to watch and then I discover what a waste of my precious time.
- February 23, 2010 at 3:34 AM
Of course he will pick Vienna!! NO DOUBT. See? Vienna is the quintessential bimbo, she's a young skinny blonde who has been doing everything in her power to bang Jake. She might as well be a stripper (pardon me, nothing against strippers...) Jake is a straight american male and he's blown away by his testosterone. Given the sexual tension (and he has admitted to it, remember the date with Vienna and Gia?) she's the logical choice. When a guy has to pick between logic and sex, sex will ALWAYS win. Will it last? Of course not! How many couples have lasted? Be real, people!
- February 23, 2010 at 8:31 AM
The ultimate ending to this season would be for Jake to pick neither Vienna nor Tenly and fly a banner where Ali is picking her. I agree Vienna is immature & too young to really know alot about relationships, through experience any way. And Tenly just seems like a goody to shoes. I believe Ali would be perfect
- February 23, 2010 at 10:52 AM
- Kathleen said...
Whether he picks Vienna or Tenley, he will be disappointed, and I guarantee they will not last.
He and Ali had a lot in common and made a great couple. He really messed up.
- February 23, 2010 at 6:50 PM
NOOOOOOO!!!!... How could he pick vienna over tenley...dat is wrong on so many levels...he n tenley had a connection tho...his family doesntt even like vienna...wat the hell was he thinkin...damn!!! this better be a lie!!!
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- February 24, 2010 at 3:48 AM
This is Matt and Shayne all over again. We all saw how well that turned out.
- February 24, 2010 at 5:31 PM
I work in TV so I can tell you not to believe how anyone is portrayed as it's all for drama. I wouldn't be surprised if the producers push the bachelors/bachelorettes to keep certain people in the mix just to keep it all lively.
That said - it's obviously working as you all seem very addicted. I couldn't even tell you the names of the contestants. I refuse to work on reality programming as it's only lowering the bar of our already marginally intelligent country.
That said - I would just like to add I wish there was an Iphone app for slapping these girls. They all over dress for the most part and look like barbie dolls with too much jewelry, come f me shoes and make up. And what's up with the annoying Veronica Lake look that Gia and Tenly don. If you're on TV to be discovered - it helps if half your face isn't always covered. The only attractive, intelligent and together girl was eliminating the first night - the Navy pilot. She also had the best dress. Very classy. Everyone else looked like your usual LA hooker trash.
BTW I only watch this crap once in a while as I have to know what's on the air - good or bad.
- February 24, 2010 at 7:45 PM
I think he's not gonna pick either one. I prefer Tenley over Vienna though! I vote Gia as the next Bachelorette!!
- February 25, 2010 at 7:46 PM
- Ashley said...
I am one of the few people in the world that actually likes Vienna it seems. Everyone else picked on her so much I felt like I HAD to side with her. I have not seen anything really bad being done by her to anyone else. She is blunt, but so what? Girls are just so fake that they can't handle it so they all talk crap about her. She says what she means to say and doesn't think twice about it. Yeah she can be a little immature, but I totally prefer her to Tenley, who is totally blah. I don't care if Vienna is young...there is NOT an age limit on love for all you people out there who judge her on her age. If Jake loves Vienna, then who are we to judge?
- March 1, 2010 at 12:18 AM
- March 1, 2010 at 8:42 PM
- BrendaK said...
Lordy - Vienna is an entitled brat and Tenleigh (sp?) is a mealy-mouthed mouse.
On the other hand, I don't believe for one moment that anyone is actually getting married from this so Vienna is probably the better choice. She's too shallow to be anything other than insulted when the inevitable end to her 'romance' slaps her in the face.
Look for all three of them at third-tier red carpet events soon.
- March 1, 2010 at 9:40 PM
VIENNA ??? What an idiot he is. I'm done....I'll never watch this stupid show again.
- March 1, 2010 at 10:01 PM
- Karen said...
This show is so ridiculous! Even though he picked disgusting Vienna, they definitely won't last. I've lost any respect I had for bachelor Jake.
- March 1, 2010 at 10:15 PM
I did not watch the show tonight. The spoilers have been on target so I did not want to see Jake come off as a complete idiot! Jake, you are an idiot! I thought you were a classy guy in the beginning. Alli was the best pick for you! Tenley was too good for you! Vienna is a spoiled brat! Good Luck! You are going to need it. No happy ending here!!
- March 1, 2010 at 10:47 PM
What Jake and Vienna have is purely Physical (Hint Hint) he is obviously under her spell for the moment, but I dont think this will last for long, I dont want to call the girl ugly, but umm yea.... any who... Tenley is Gorgeous and obviously didn't do the things to jake... oops I mean for jake, that Vienna did!
- March 1, 2010 at 10:51 PM
here's my take, Jake was thinking with the wrong head...it's all about physical...that is why he chose Vienna...emotionally he and she are not on an even keel...they will have great sex and that's about it. she made him feel like a kid again...if he and tenley or any of the other ladies goofed around as much as he did with her, he wouldn't have chosen her...I think he's going through his mid life crisis, she makes him feel young again...he lusts after vienna...didn't have that lust for tenly...one more guy thinking with the wrong head...
- March 1, 2010 at 11:00 PM
I'm so incredibly disappointed with Jake's decision. From the beginning of the show, he made it evident that high morals and values were the qualities he was looking for in his wife. Repeatedly the show has made reference to Jake's faith and stated he is a religious man, yet the one girl who embodies the very opposite of what Jake has stated he values and desires in his spouse is the one chosen. I really feel he has an inner battle going on between what is right and what feels good. It's so sad to see how truly weak he is. What a horrible compromise he has made.
- March 1, 2010 at 11:57 PM
I don't agree with the fact that she sat there and said her dad buys her everything, to me she is not a hard worker and I think Jake needs that. Vienna has her pros and cons. She does make Jake smile a lot, which is a good thiing, but like I said before, she wrecked 5 cars or something and her dad bought her a new one everytime? Is this now going to be Jake's problem?
There where a lot of girls in the house that talked smack, it happens, girls do that. Can't deny it, plus they where trying to win over Jake's heart. I just hope in the long run Vienna can grow up, get her life together, work hard and keep Jake.
- March 2, 2010 at 12:41 AM
Well if you watch the last dates and even the last couple dates you can clearly see why he picked Vienna. He had a bigger connection with her and he said himself that he was himself around her. Thats exactly what a relationship should be. It shouldnt be forced, which was how it was with Tinely. I completely agree with his decision.
- March 2, 2010 at 8:19 AM
- tiff said...
i liked vienna :) she may have had a rough start but she kept hanging in there even though things got hard but she didnt give up and the others girls didnt like her oh well and it doesnt matter what other people say if you love and care about that person be with that person do it beacuse you want to and dont let other people tell you different it's what makes that person happy in the end if vienna and jake are happy thats all that matters :)
- March 2, 2010 at 10:41 AM
- Krystal said...
I don't think Jake was fair to tenly he never really explained about the physical connection with her he should have told her how he likes to play ruff since he grew up with brothers yeah he had that with vienna but he never tried to play ruff with tenly so he wasnt fair he should have done something about it...i believe that his relationship with vienna will not last i just know it...i like tenly shes awesome she should be the next bacheloret...
- March 3, 2010 at 12:59 AM
I can't believe how many people actually talk about this stuff as if it were real. That is not real love, not real personalities, not real connections, and really not normal circumstances in any way to actually find true love. Even that scene with vienna and jake at those springs on their last date or so, those are not the faces and bodies of real people in love. Those are not very good actors trying to act real not doing anything real. and just cause they're forced to or choose to kiss a lot always in the same position does not mean that there's passion and chemistry. please...
- March 3, 2010 at 6:45 AM
dont be haters its just a show plus they did edit some of the words,and clips. go vienna
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One of the harshest attacks on this new study came from Catholic priest/sociologist Andrew Greeley, who called it "a sloppy piece of work," according to Christian Century. But Gerald Marwell, the review editor who decided to publish the study, said he was not surprised by Greeley's reaction: "To some extent he [Greeley] was one of the people who is argued against in the research." Marwell pointed out that the ASR study was reviewed before publication by a panel of noted sociologists.
"To generalize from a county in Ohio to all of Protestant America is irresponsible," said Greeley. Marwell responded that the burden of proof is on the critics to demonstrate how the county in this study is out of line with the rest of the nation.
Jay Demerath, professor of sociology at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, responded to the survey's conclusion that Americans have been inßating church attendance. He said: "I think the study needs to be taken very seriously indeed. . . . Gallup and other pollsters are aware of this. It's kind of a dirty little secret."
The implications are obvious. If church attendance reports are unreliable, what about other "facts" of American religiosity? What about belief in God?
Badgers Asked To "Sack" Chaplain
The Freedom From Religion Foundation has asked University of Wisconsin football coach Barry Alvarez to end his team's "chaplain" arrangement with a Catholic priest. The Foundation has asked that Rev. Michael Burke no longer be allowed to accompany the football team as its "chaplain," ofÞcial or de facto.
Burke is referred to by athletic department employees as the team's chaplain and ßew with the team to the Rose Bowl, also accompanying them to a celebration after their Rose Bowl victory in Milwaukee with Vice-President Al Gore. A recent Wisconsin State Journal article identiÞed Burke as the team's chaplain, and staff members at the Athletic Department and the football division conÞrmed that he is "the Badger chaplain."
"The University of Wisconsin-Madison is a secular institution," said Anne Nicol Gaylor, Foundation president. "This is not Notre Dame!" Alvarez, a Catholic, was recruited several years ago from a position at Notre Dame.
Following a similar Foundation complaint in 1985, the Wisconsin's Attorney General at the time, Bronson LaFollette, issued a formal opinion in May, 1986, ending an unconstitutional practice by former football coach David McClain of telling players to kneel, and leading them in pre-game prayers.
"Now we apparently have a football team chaplain, surreptitiously anointed," Gaylor said. The Foundation has requested information from the University's accounting department, yet to be answered as of publication time, including:
The Foundation has asked University of Wisconsin Chancellor David Ward for an investigation, and to sever the inappropriate arrangement.
Wisconsin Director of Athletics Pat Richter, on January 27, issued a "clariÞcation on Burke's role." Although his Department had identiÞed Burke as the Badger chaplain in a phone inquiry from Freethought Today on January 25, in this release Richter wrote:
"Burke's role with the football players and staff is that of supporter and friend. Under no circumstances can his relationship be characterized as a 'chaplain for the team.' "
Richter revealed that the priest "has volunteered to be available for personal guidance and counseling for the past 17 years."
He added: "At the request of the last Þve head football coaches at the UW, Burke has accompanied the Wisconsin football team on road trips." He said the priest's expenses are covered by the Mendota Gridiron Club, which he described as "the school's football fundraising organization."
To other media, Richter pledged that "Burke will continue to be invited to be part of the football program in his informal role as counselor and supporter."
No figures or documentation of the UW's claims were available at press-time.
"Prayers were unheard of at sporting events in Wisconsin until the last couple decades. It seems incredible that a secular University would countenance them in any form, but especially ludicrous in connection with football games!" Gaylor said.
An inkling of the caliber of Burke's "counseling" to football players may be gleaned from a report of his prayers by the Wisconsin State Journal on January 23. Pat Simms reported that Burke was invited to pray at a recent fundraising birthday party for Republican Congressman Scott Klug, and intoned: "God, you said to ask You if we ever need anything. Help all of us to re-elect Scott Klug to Congress. Amen."
The Incredible Nondiscovery Of Noah's Ark
We thought Freethought Today readers would enjoy the "inside scoop" about the initial claims made by Sun Productions in defending "The Incredible Discovery of Noah's Ark," which aired on CBS in February, 1993.
The following is excerpted from the ofÞcial news release sent out by Sun Productions last summer, following a leak by TIME Magazine that "The Incredible Discovery of Noah's Ark" featured a phony story of the Ark's "discovery" by George Jammal. Since then, Jammal, a Foundation member, has gone public to expose CBS and the series.
Following his speech at the 15th annual Freedom From Religion Foundation convention last October, The Los Angeles Times publicized Jammal's revelations, resulting in cancellation by CBS of future religious programming by Sun Productions. (See Freethought Today, November 1993).
The following is our research staff's response to the article in the July 5th issue of Time magazine, and to a similar story released by Associated Press on June 29th. Both articles asserted that George Jammal, one of our 50 expert interviewees used in The Incredible Discovery of Noah's Ark, fabricated his eyewitness account of seeing Noah's Ark on Mt. Ararat.
In examining the controversy generated by these articles, four issues must be addressed. First, who is making the claim that Mr. Jammal fabricated his Noah's Ark account? Secondly, did Sun perform due diligence in its research to determine whether Mr. Jammal's account was reliable? Thirdly, was the alleged Ark wood shown at the end of Mr. Jammal's interview authentic or a piece of doctored California pine? And fourth, is Mr. Jammal's expedition account of seeing the Ark still factual?
Who is making the claim that Mr. Jammal fabricated his Noah's Ark account?
Dr. Gerald Larue, professor emeritus of biblical history and archaeology at the University of Southern California says in Time that he "coached George Jammal, an acquaintance, to perpetrate the hoax, intended to expose the shoddy research of Sun International."
It seems from this statement that Dr. Larue is probably conducting some type of a vindictive campaign against Sun. This may be the result of his appearance as a skeptic in our show, "Ancient Secrets of the Bible I" which aired on May 15, 1992. According to Time magazine, Dr. Larue felt he was "set up as a straw man."
Dr. Larue, despite having taught both biblical history and biblical studies at USC, is a very outspoken individual on a number of controversial issues including being a frequent Bible critic. . . .
Did Sun perform due diligence in its research to determine whether Mr. Jammal's account was reliable?
One news interviewer went so far as to say we pulled Mr. Jammal off the street swallowing his tale without investigating the account for reliability. This is certainly not true as we investigated all of our Noah's Ark eyewitness accounts with due diligence before using them in the show. This is the investigative procedure followed in the Jammal eyewitness account:
1. We examined his Þrst and only known interview account given on June 10, 1986, to geologist and Ararat explorer Dr. John Morris. We then made our own extensive search to locate Mr. Jammal for a research interview. . . .
2. After locating Mr. Jammal in Long Beach, California, we conducted our own two-hour, audio taped, interrogative interview. We asked him a wide range of questions looking for ßaws and inconsistencies in his account.
3. We compared Mr. Jammal's 1986 and 1992 interviews and found excellent consistency between the two accounts, although the interviews were given six years apart.
4. We then gave Mr. Jammal's interview tapes to Dr. Paul Meier, a well-known California psychiatrist, co-founder of the 28 Minirth-Meier clinics across America, and author of 40 books on human behavior. Dr. Meier, who also served as the Þeld physician on Astronaut James Irwin's Noah's Ark expedition to Mt. Ararat, was asked to provide a psychiatric and content analysis of Mr. Jammal's account.
Here are Dr. Meier's comments from a July 10, 1992 letter addressed to Sun's Chief Researcher, David W. Balsiger:
"I have listened to the tapes you sent of the interviews you did with Ed [Davis] and George [Jammal]. I Þnd both of their accounts totally believable; and having been there myself, I know that their descriptions of the customs of the people and of the precise locations are all extremely accurate.
"Ed and George deÞnitely have different personality types and yet are very credible. Given George's personality type, I Þnd it logical that he would keep his discovery of Noah's Ark a secret after the death of his guide and after his disillusionment with God for allowing that to happen. . . ."
Dr. Meier also gave us the following on-camera interview regarding Mr. Jammal's account which ended up not being used due to show time restraints:
". . . So, he craves attention and when he and his friend Vladimir found the Ark, they were absolutely delighted. They felt special--special to God. George's childhood dream of being acceptable and deserving his father's attention was fulÞlled because God chose him to Þnd the Ark.
"They were delighted and they took pictures of each other. George took pictures of his friend Vladimir and then Vladimir took both cameras and moved back as far away from the Ark as he could to get a full view of the landscape so that if there was avalanche, they could still Þnd it and get back to the Ark.
"They made plans to secretly go down the mountain and not tell anyone until they got a Þlm crew because they wanted credit for Þnding it -- which you and I would too. Let's be honest! But, while Vladimir was taking a picture after backing up, he slipped and there was a rock slide and I know this is accurate. George wept while he was talking about it--and this was eight years later. Losing his friend Vladimir was devastating for him.
"Vladimir was crushed by a rock slide and fell into a crevasse and George was able to avoid [falling in] even though he was hit by some of the rocks. He lost his friend. I believe that on an unconscious level, George then, decided, 'I was right the Þrst time. I don't deserve my father's attention. I don't deserve to be a chosen one. Why me? Why did God choose me to Þnd the Ark? Maybe God doesn't want me to tell anyone it's here.'
"He became bitter and depressed. He developed anxiety and withdrew into himself for years. Then, he went to a debate a number of years later where he saw people arguing about whether or not the Bible was true and he thought: 'This is bigger than me. I need to get out and let people know that I saw the Ark and not just be withdrawn into myself any longer.'
"I Þnd this to be extremely credible. He felt ecstatic, special and overwhelmed with joy when he found the Ark. Then, when Vladimir died, he felt depressed for years afterwards.
"Professionally, the impact of Vladimir's death on George Jammal Þts a post-traumatic stress disorder and with therapy, he could work his way out of this. But he still has a lot of buried emotions which showed in his weeping during the interview and his very honest grief over the loss of his friend.
"Some of his descriptions were especially remarkable. His description of the Ark Þts exactly what I know to be true about the Ark from the secret government reconnaissance photos.
"I found Jammal's account to be very detailed, very accurate and very humble. He was vulnerable. He was honest and said he wanted the fame and yet he feels like he's wasted his life searching for fame.
"I just Þnd his story extremely credible and of the four accounts I analyzed, I believe his to be the most credible. His descriptions of the customs of the people, of the Ark itself and its location, are very accurate. These are things he could not have known from outside sources. He had no access to the reconnaissance photos and prior to that year, this information was not well-known. So, I totally believe George Jammal's account."
5. We also had Mr. Jammal's hand drawn map of his three Ararat expedition routes studied by Ararat/Ark expeditioneers and climbers. They conÞrmed the accuracy of it, and assured us that it could not have been drawn by anyone who did not have experience with the mountain.
Regarding Mr. Jammal's account of his eyewitness encounter with Noah's Ark, we as a production company did far more investigative research than normally undertaken by "reality shows" or most news shows. Based on the outcome of our investigative research on Jammal account, we included it in the show. For the record, we also did the same type of background research on the other eyewitness accounts before including them in the TV show.
Was the alleged Ark wood shown at the end of Mr. Jammal's interview authentic or a piece of doctored California pine?
Frankly, we do not know the answer to this question as Mr. Jammal's show segment had to do with his visit to the Ark and not whether the wood was authentic.
It has not been the practice of Sun or other production companies to spend money or time testing and documenting artifacts shown on the air by interviewees. If Sun undertook to test every artifact shown by our various experts we would be out of the entertainment business and stepping into the news side of TV broadcasting. This was not the direction or directive for this television network special.
Dr. Larue somehow believes it should have been our obligation to run carbon-14 tests on the wood apparently expecting us to "create news" instead of entertaining viewers by telling them what people have to say about this ancient mystery. Besides the carbon-14 test would not necessarily have proven that the wood was a forgery or anything else as the sample according to the Time article was contaminated by baking and juices. This would have prevented obtaining accurate carbon-14 dating results.
Is Mr. Jammal's expedition account of seeing the Ark still factual?
We still stand by Mr. Jammal's expedition account as being accurate based on the due diligence research we have conducted. . . .
We also take objection to the characterization by the news media that our entire Noah's Ark TV Special was a hoax. Mr. Jammal was only one of 50 experts that provided authoritative interviews on a wide range of subjects relating to the Noah's Ark mystery. Additionally, the TV Special told the Noah's Ark story as recorded in the Bible along with the presentation of historical data, scientiÞc experiments, and Ararat explorer accounts.
Furthermore, Mr. Jammal was only one of four Þlmed eyewitnesses who claimed to have had on-the-ground encounter with the Ark. Similar due diligence research was done on these other three Ark eyewitness accounts before including them into the show. No one has come forward with evidence that any of these remaining eyewitness accounts are perpetrated hoaxes on Sun International. We also stated at the end of the eyewitness accounts that it was up to the audience to decide whether their accounts were believable or not!
FFRF school complaint uncovers creationist Okla. superintendent
The Freedom From Religion Foundation, which has been corresponding with Wynnewood Public Schools, Okla., over inappropriate actions by a teacher promoting religion in the classroom, is releasing its correspondence with Superintendent Raymond Cole, in which he preached at FFRF and indicated he rejects evolution.
FFRF Staff Attorney Andrew Seidel sent a Feb. 28 letter to Cole on behalf of parent complainants about a 6th grade teacher displaying posters with bible quotes and promoting Christianity to students at Wynne Middle School. The social studies teacher attacked evolution and misinformed students that the U.S. Constitution, an entirely secular and godless document, derives directly from the bible. A parent had complained to the principal, who is married to the offending teacher. The principal removed the posters but insisted it was the teacher's "First Amendment right" to talk about her personal religious views with her students.
Seidel's letter cited numerous Supreme Court cases showing that public schools cannot advance or promote religion. He cited case law that puts an affirmative duty on schools to make certain that "subsidized teachers do not inculcate religion." He added that "the First Amendment is not a license for uncontrolled expression at variance with established curricular content" and that courts have upheld the termination of teachers who violate the Establishment Clause.
This week, Seidel received an official email from Cole. Cole more or less conceded that the teacher should not have placed posters with bible verses in her classroom and has instructed her to "stay strictly with the information presented in the book." But he volunteered that student-led prayer is constitutional. Although he has a degree in science, he argued against evolution. Cole not only asked Seidel whether he is a believer, but sermonized: "What happens when you die, if you"re [sic] wrong? If I'm wrong, when I die I just die, but if you're wrong, when you die. . . ." He also said "the further we separate God from our schools the nearer we bring violence and evil."
Read Cole's full email here (pdf).
Seidel responded that "evolution is as much a fact as gravity," and called it "disturbing" that a superintendent does not "believe in" evolution. Seidel replied in part:
"Please understand that my personal beliefs have no bearing on the illegality of the Carters' actions. But since you asked, I believe in the First Amendment. I believe in protecting minorities from the tyranny of the majority. I believe that religion is the single most divisive force on this planet and that it has no place in our public schools. I believe that ideas should be subjected to reason, debate, and inquiry, not blindly accepted." Seidel also added, "I believe in love, in family, and in making the most of this life because it's the only one we have. In short, I am an atheist."
After calling Cole's assertion that secularism causes school shootings "appalling," Seidel noted:
"Murder rates are actually lower in more secular nations and higher in more religious nations where belief in God is deep and widespread. And within America, the states with the highest murder rates tend to be highly religious, such as Louisiana and Alabama, but the states with the lowest murder rates tend to be among the least religious in the country, such as Vermont and Oregon.'"
He also cited Supreme Court precedent against student-led prayer in public schools.
Read Seidel's entire March 6 reply here.
Incidentally, the school district's mascot is the "Savages."
Oppose Congressional storm aid for religious institutions
Please contact your U.S. Senator today and tell him or her to vote against the Senate version of House Resolution 592.
The federal government is perilously close to using your tax dollars to directly fund the building, maintenance and repair of "houses of worship," including churches, synagogues, mosques and temples. H.R. 592, the so-called Federal Disaster Assistance Nonprofit Fairness Act of 2013, passed the U.S. House in early February by a lopsided 354 to 72 vote — after strong lobbying by Roman Catholic and even Jewish groups.
Congress has appropriated $60 billion to finance recovery efforts after Hurricane Sandy. The House has voted to use your tax dollars to fund the repair or rebuilding of churches without regard to their exclusive use as houses of worship. That would mean less money for individuals who lost their homes. Funds would go to untaxed entities that never report or divulge any of their financial assets to the public or the federal government. Congress would be sending your tax dollars down a religious black hole, when people are in dire need.
Hurricane Sandy (ironically a so-called "Act of God" which did not spare houses of worship) must not be used to justify creating horrific legal precedent. Sandy's devastation is not a reason to suspend the Constitution. We cannot allow Congress to ignore the protections of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. The Supreme Court has specifically stated that our government may not erect religious buildings, Tilton v. Richardson, 403 U.S. 672, 683 (1971), and "[i]f the State may not erect buildings in which religious activities are to take place, it may not maintain such buildings or renovate them when they fall into disrepair." Comm. For Pub. Ed. & Religious Liberty v. Nyquist, 413 U.S. 756, 777 (1973).
If enacted, this Congressional bill would allow funds to go to the Roman Catholic Church — which owns almost $3.5 billion worth of property in New York City, according to one estimate. About 200 parishes were affected by the storm, and Archbishop of New York Timothy Dolan has been pushing particularly hard to get the bill passed. This bill sets the precedent to allow funds to go to all religious groups, including, as has been observed, to the most hateful bigots, such as the Westboro Baptist Church.
As the American Constitution Society for Law and Policy notes:
"FEMA's policy not only ensures that FEMA grants are used to rebuild facilities that provide the most critical services to the entire community, but also reflects an important constitutional principle. Religious liberty is one of our nation's most fundamental values and it starts from the precept that religion and religious institutions thrive when both religion and government are safeguarded from the undue influences of the other."
You and we must stop this bill before it becomes a law, before the funds are dispersed. Make sure your senators hear from you on this issue.
Phone and email your two U.S. senators today!
Find contact information for your two senators here (listed by state):
Your voice is magnified by speaking out early. Be sure to identify yourself as a constituent, and leave your name and address. If you have time, both phoning and emailing is most effective, including your Senator's home and DC offices. Phone calls are immediate and take up staff time; the more (civil) calls they receive, the better.
Phone 202-224-3121 and ask an operator at the Capitol switchboard to connect you to your senator.
See above, use your own words, or feel free to cut and paste any of this brief statement into an email:
I strongly oppose H.R. 592 and urge you to defeat it in the Senate. This bill would send tax dollars down a religious black hole, and create precedent endangering tax dollars and the Establishment Clause.
James Madison, the primary architect of our godless Constitution, famously opposed even "threepence" of taxpayer money going for religious purposes. Thomas Jefferson, author of the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, pointed out that no citizen should "be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever." These are core principles safeguarding religious liberty and personal conscience, upon which our secular nation was founded.
FEMA does not "discriminate" against churches or other nonprofits when it properly declares them ineligible to receive direct grants for disaster relief. Nonprofits, churches and businesses are eligible to apply for major low-interest, government-secured loans for losses not fully covered by insurance. Where public money goes, public accountability must follow. Yet tax-exempt churches, no matter how wealthy, are uniquely exempted from federal requirements to report on their finances to the government and U.S. taxpayers. Churches exist for the purpose of worship. Any incidental disaster relief they engage in is voluntary, and not equivalent to providing "essential services of a governmental nature to the general public," as FEMA regulations require.
H.R. 592 would grant tax dollars to tax-exempt churches with no strings attached, "without regard to the religious character of the facility or the primary religious use of the facility." Tax dollars should not go to repair or build space for worship, much less repair stained-glass windows, arks of the convenant, prayer books and decorative religious icons! Defeat this proposal!
Further influence public opinion by writing letters to the editor to our local news dailies, using social media and leaving messages at reader comment sections at online news websites. Borrow any language you like from this action alert!
Text of bill (pdf)
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See listing of statements against H.R. 592
FFRF sues IRS for preferential treatment of churches, which are exempt from filing fees, filing Form 990
Lisa Strand
LISA STRAND is director of operations of FFRF. Previously, she was the Executive Director of the Wisconsin Library Association. She has 25 years of experience in nonprofit organizations, both as a staff member and volunteer leader, including having served as board president of the Wisconsin Society of Association Executives and the Community Action Coalition of South Central Wisconsin. She has a B.A. from the University of Minnesota. Lisa is married with a daughter, as well as three cats, a guinea pig and an untended garden that will someday be beautiful.
Urge South Carolina education board to drop prayer
The Freedom From Religion Foundation is asking for your help in persuading the School District of Pickens County Board of Trustees, S.C., to drop prayers to begin its monthly meetings.
FFRF Staff Attorney Patrick Elliott sent a letter to the District on Nov. 26, 2012, protesting the school board's egregious practice of opening meetings with prayer led by students, which included sectarian references to the "Holy Spirit" and "Jesus."
(Our letter sent the religious community into a tizzy. Scroll to the end for links to TV news and other media coverage!)
At its Feb. 25, 2013 meeting, the Pickens County school board voted preliminarily to begin meetings with "nonsectarian" prayers by adults from the district. Elliott points out this new policy would still violate the rights of conscience of students and parents who are nonreligious or religious minorities.
Federal courts of appeals examining the issue of school board prayer have found such prayer — even nonsectarian — to be unconstitutional. As part of the public school system, school boards must set an example of respect and conform to law protecting children from the coercion of school-sponsored religion.
The Pickens County school board should get in line with the U.S. Constitution and stop alienating the 19 percent of American adults who have no religious affiliation. One in three young people today identify as nonreligious and one in five adults (Pew Forum on Religion in Public Life, October 2012).
"Calling upon board members, as well as parents and students of the school, to pray is coercive, embarrassing, and beyond the scope of our secular school system," Elliott said.
The Pickens County Board of Trustees will meet next on Monday, March 25, 2013, to vote to finalize its policy of beginning each meeting with prayer.
Urge the board to follow the Constitution, and remove the divisive prayers from their meetings. (see Talking Points below)
Chairperson Judy Edwards
Pickens County Board Of Education
1348 Griffin Mill Road
Easley, SC 29640
Phone: (864) 397-1000
Fax: 864-855-8159
(Feel free to cc other members, below)
Vice Chairman Ben Trotter
Email a Letter to the Editor (via a comment box):
Feel free to use your own words or use or incorporate the statement below:
To avoid the constitutional concerns and the divisiveness school board prayers create, the solution is simple: discontinue them.
Nonsectarian prayer sends an inappropriate proselytizing message to all students, and excludes the nonreligious — the second-largest segment today in America by religious identification.
Calling upon school board members, students, parents and residents to pray is coercive, embarrassing and beyond the scope of your secular public school district. Board of Education members are free to worship on their own time in their own way. Nonbelieving students and religious minorities should not be made to feel like political outsiders by their own school district. Nor should any school district send a message to students that they ought to believe in a deity or show obeisance to one.
I support a secular public school system.
Prayer issue packs Pickens co. school board meeting
(Watch this TV video to see an unbelievable "amen corner")
Attorney: non-sectarian prayer does not go far enough
Powdersville Post
School board may vote on controversial prayer issue Monday


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Dear Solomon:
Please let me clarify. Usually there are obvious guards at the entries. I have blocked no entries, as you said earlier to err on the side of too much ventilation. Good advice, because the weather is moving into the 80s here again.
What I meant about the observation window is that the bees were flying in so quickly from the entrance side that they were slamming into the BACK side. (This is a top-bar hive.) No guards, or at least not a strong enough force to monitor the entrances. I have never seen this hive without guards.
I do think they recently swarmed. It used to be a spooky-strong hive only a few weeks ago. I saw two empty queen cups, and my hive recently went from having bees crawling all over the inside of the hive, to being down in numbers, lethargic and unmotivated-looking.
I will take your advice and stop the feeding. They do have capped stores. I'm thinking I need to make sure this hive is queen-right. I see no eggs, and just a marginal amount of capped brood.
(P.S.: The only reason I use a Boardman is because I can actually place it INSIDE the top bar hive, not out in the open like it's designed to do for a Lang.)
I think the hive may be weakened due to a swarm, and I set them up the other day for serious robbing, even though the feeder was hidden inside the TBH.
What do you think???


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