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You are mostly correct about the dangers posed by a guy who isn't capable. What Gene has to say about this is also correct. And yes, this worries me also.
But, you have mis-characterized what was actually said in Nunn, & what SCOTUS had to say about Nunn. The Georgia Supreme Curt said nothing at all about "if open carry is available." What they said was:
Clearly, the court isn't saying anything conditional here. Carrying openly is what the GA & US Constitutions intend to protect as the Right when it comes to "and Bear."
Also, from Heller:
And if that's not enough for you, SCOTUS went on to quote State v. Chandler:
I'm not making stuff up here. I'm not seeing anything about "either-or" here. What I'm seeing is SCOTUS quoting cases that make it VERY clear that Open Carry is what "and bear" really means to them. So, I'm also seeing nothing to support the idea that carrying concealed enjoys any Constitutional protection. There's a reason the District & Appellate Courts keep agreeing with the Bradys & denying the suits trying to force Constitutional protection for Concealed Carry. Its because Heller & McDonald DON'T provide any support for the idea.
Now, if someone can show me where "either/or" appear in Heller or McDonald, or in the cases they quote so approvingly, or show me where that appears anywhere else in "court cases, founding documents, or contemporaneous writings" (to quote dantodd), I'll be more than happy to change my thinking.
But not until then.
I don't think the 2A should or will be be held to a higher standard than the 1A. I don't think slappomatt thinks so either. They key word in your reply is "certain." I.E. While SOME exercises of the 1A can require a permit, permits cannot be required for ALL exercises of the 1A. If a permit, even a Shall-Issue permit, becomes the Minimal Constitutional Standard for "and bear,", then the 2A would enjoy substantially less protection than the 1A. Less than ANY other provision of the BofR, in fact. As I look at what is actually in Heller, I'm seeing zero support for the idea that SCOTUS intends to do any such thing.
Agree entirely. Step One must come before Step Two.
Yes, Heller did cost a lot. That's not to say that follow on suits HAVE to cost as much. A large part of that cost was the fact that Heller was indeed so very new & precedent setting.
Yes, the Federal GFSZ was modified. I don't of anyone who thinks that the mod really matters. I.E. That it will withstand a serious challenge. This would be even more true when/if "and bear" is re-established as an Enumerated Right.
Yes, level of scrutiny will matter. The dissent in Heller II is right on the money. Still, I'm not seeing a big chance that "state interest" will carry the day. Even intermediate scrutiny requires the presentation of FACTS to justify infringements. The same ol' "THE SKY WILL FALL IF WE DON'T LIMIT GUNS IN THIS <fill in the blank> WAY" isn't going to cut it anymore. Chicago is trying this kind of nonsense in Ezell. The Distinct Court is playing along. They're both been slapped down by the 7th. Circuit. They're both going to going to be slapped down again. Since the facts don't support infringements, we'll win. If not at the lower levels, then at SCOTUS.
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Heller ruled that the right to keep and to bear arms as described in the Second Amendment is an individual and personal right independent of service in a militia. Heller thus put to rest the collective right theory. Then McDonald applied the Second Amendment to the States through the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. But neither case ruled on the scope of governmental restrictions of the right to keep or the right to bear arms -- except for the particular restrictions before the Court in each case.
So the questions of what governmental restrictions on the right to keep and the right to bear arms will pass constitutional muster remain open. Based on established principles of constitutional law, we can reasonably expect that a discretionary "may issue" LTC system must eventually fall. We should also be able to expect that no complete ban on carrying a gun in public can be sustained. But beyond that, there will be a great deal of hashing out to be done.
Will current "shall issue" LTC systems be sustained as constitutional? I'd say there is a good chance. Will the prohibition of open carry in States with a constitutional "shall issue" concealed carry permit system survive constitutional challenge? I'm not going to bet against it. Could the Supreme Court find the Second Amendment right to bear arms satisfied if one could carry openly but not concealed, or concealed but not openly, or either openly or concealed, but in any case only with a "shall issue" license to carry? That's another possibility.
In any case, charging forwarded in the belief that ultimately unregulated, unrestricted open carry is a foregone conclusion is an excellent way to crash.
I've reviewed a lot of legal bills in my day and have a pretty good idea of what litigation, especially appellate litigation, costs.
"It is long been a principle of ours that one is no more armed because he has possession of a firearm than he is a musician because he owns a piano. There is no point in having a gun if you are not capable of using it skillfully." -- Jeff Cooper
Well, I have the actual quotes from SCOTUS. In contrast, what you have (at least, all you have presented) is nothing. The actual words of SCOTUS just don't mean what they clearly say just because you say they don't. You have no citations. No articles. No anything.
I would recommend that people give weight to my conclusions because they are based on the actual words of SCOTUS. That might just be me, however.
My opinion on the GFSZs is shared by Gene. Actually, I formed my optimistic view of their (imminent?) demise from Gene's words.
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The mere citation of a case in an opinion does not reflect the Court (or any court) embracing the all holdings of the cited case. The citation may refer to a single holding, or it may be cited for other purposes (i.e. historical more so than legal), as fiddletown noted.
It is the context of the Nunn and Chandler citations within Heller that matters, not the fact that the Court cited them. The Court looked to Nunn and Chandler to support the individual rights model of the 2nd Amendment.
That said, it is not unlikely (but also not guaranteed) that in a future case re: carry outside the home, that the court wouldn't go back to one or both in support of outside-the-home-carry.
Before your interpretation and understanding may carry any force of law on the Federal level, the proper courts first need to be presented with the relevant questions and then a supportive opinion must issue from that court or those courts. Those questions have not yet been presented for adjudication, though they are well on the way.
More regimes have been brought, piecemeal, to their knees by what was once called Irish Democracythe silent, dogged resistance, withdrawal, and truculence of millions of ordinary peoplethan by revolutionary vanguards or rioting mobs.
You have the words of the Supreme Court of Georgia in Nunn (1846) and the words of the Supreme Court of Louisiana in Chandler (1850) being quoted by SCOTUS in Heller. And those decisions were quoted not in the context of adopting the result, i. e., the state court in each case voiding laws barring the open carrying of firearms. They were quoted by SCOTUS in the context of demonstrating that historically the Second Amendment has been understood as describing an individual right.
[2] And I don't need citations or articles to show that on the face of things you have misread the citations of SCOTUS to Nunn and Chandler.
The question of the whether open carry is constitutionally protected was not before SCOTUS in Heller. However, the question of whether the Second Amendment describes an individual right was. The language of the respective state courts in Nunn and Chandler was supportive of the conclusion of SCOTUS in Heller that the Second Amendment indeed describes an individual right. But the open carry issues addressed by the respective state courts in Nunn and Chandler had nothing to do with any issue actually in front of SCOTUS in Heller.
[3] In any case, I have over 30 years experience practicing law, reading court decisions and applying those decisions to real matters in real life to effectively further the interests of my clients.
"It is long been a principle of ours that one is no more armed because he has possession of a firearm than he is a musician because he owns a piano. There is no point in having a gun if you are not capable of using it skillfully." -- Jeff Cooper
If CalGuns established a You Tube Channel and made some You Tube videos, straight forward FACTS about gun ownership, self defense, the 2A, the RKBA, truthful "Good Cause,", the folly of 626.9 and 12031, UOC and everything else, and you put them up on You Tube, you would very effectively reach the public as people "Like" your channel and "Share" your message, and the mainstream media would be left sitting with their thumbs up their posteriors.
Awaken the California population to the fact that they should be able to LOC/LCC in a "Shall Issue" state just like the 42 others, and they'll begin to wonder why they CAN'T defend themselves. Point out in clear, easy-to-understand short videos how the "wild West Shootouts" LIE has never materialized in ANY state where the citizens are trusted to carry personal defense weapons.
Geez! I don't have to tell you what to put into your You Tube videos. The entire message can be found in the threads on this board!
Does CalGuns have a Facebook page? Heck! I made a few simple videos, put them up on You Tube, and I can't tell you how many responses I have received in support of them. I don't even have a "cause." I just made them because I'm so damned glad to be living in Free America now!
One of the biggest mistakes a lot of large, powerful companies are making, is ignoring the social networking sites that are SO POWERFUL at swaying opinions. Look at what happened to Olive Garden Restaurant. ONE brain dead manager told a Kiwanis Club member that she couldn't display the American Flag in the restaurant during a meeting, and the WHOLE COUNTRY knew about it in about four hours. It was so effective, the management of Olive Garden issued a public statement testifying to their devotion to America and their company policy which (they say) does NOT forbid the display of the American flag in any restaurant.
Folks, I admire your efforts and Gene and you guys ... you're real troopers for your tireless efforts to sway the minds of socialists in positions of power, but if you want Californians and Americans behind, you, F**K the media! go to Facebook and You Tube, and make your case!
Last edited by JoeJinKY; 11-02-2011 at 6:47 PM..
'Casting seed upon barren ground' comes to mind.
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Sometimes I forget: anything I post relative to CA law is in the light of current law, as of the date of the post.
Ask CA law questions in the How CA Laws Apply to/Affect Me Forum
- most questions that start 'Is it legal ...' go there.
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and the REASON for that is right in front of you!
What would you do if you opened a chain of hamburger stores and found that The print and broadcast media in those areas are uniformly vegetarian, to the point that they REFUSE paid pro-hamburger information/advertising. Close your doors?
ETA: What can help is educating people one at a time. In the last ten years, as an instructor, I've introduced hundreds of people to shooting and guns. If each of us actively works to be a good ambassador for shooters and shooting, and introduce non-shooters to shooting, I believe that we can have an important, positive effect on the wafflers and fence sitters.
"It is long been a principle of ours that one is no more armed because he has possession of a firearm than he is a musician because he owns a piano. There is no point in having a gun if you are not capable of using it skillfully." -- Jeff Cooper
Last edited by fiddletown; 11-02-2011 at 7:00 PM..
Joej, as librarian said, this is a worldview problem. The need to use force against a bad guy doesn't exist in many Californian's worldviews. In this context, guns must be bad, because if they aren't bad, that means that the misguided person must reconsider their entire worldview. It's a difficult thing to do. I did it. Born and bred Calfornian here, as was my dad, and his parents did the Grapes of Wrath thing. California used to be different... anyways, my point is I used to be moderately anti-gun, and now I think felony-prohibition is unconstitutional and that there wouldn't be a problem with deregulating machine guns.
That being said, I think a CGF youtube channel would be awesome. Low priority (being volunteer and non profit and all that), but awesome.
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Deer Hunting Rifles? "Let's get rid of those too" - Adam Keigwin, Chief of Staff for Senator Leland Yee
Guess what ...
Right now, our message is subject to attack from the anti-civil rights crowd; what we would like to say is fact is seldom so clear.
We NEED the court decisions to point out the falsehoods proposed by the anti-gun writers. However the message gets delivered, it has to be unimpeachably right - and we're about 2 Supreme Court opinions away from that position.
You need to remember that most people just don't care about guns; ordinarily, guns have nothing to do with keeping a job or raising a family. I see a connection; you appear to see a connection; you and I and people like us are quite a minority.
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Sometimes I forget: anything I post relative to CA law is in the light of current law, as of the date of the post.
Ask CA law questions in the How CA Laws Apply to/Affect Me Forum
- most questions that start 'Is it legal ...' go there.
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Last edited by Librarian; 11-02-2011 at 7:30 PM..
Its why we as gun owners have no problem taking people out one by one. Ask Justice Kagen.
I hope you are correct and SCOTUS chooses to adopt the views of GA and LA Supreme Courts in the carry case they eventually accept. However; this is far from being assured at this juncture. I would very much like to get "carry" guaranteed as a standard and then fight about what form afterward.
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In 49 states the Open Carry movement has had no ill effect. Here it ended the open carry of all firearms, loaded or not.
What works in Kentucky does not work here. Gun owners are a minority here.
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"It is long been a principle of ours that one is no more armed because he has possession of a firearm than he is a musician because he owns a piano. There is no point in having a gun if you are not capable of using it skillfully." -- Jeff Cooper
Since I brought up 'market research', here's a quick and dirty post on voters, costs, and 'new media'.
CA voter registration
Let's look at this to start. (Numbers rounded, may not add up)
There are ~23 million eligible voters in the state; only about 73% are actually registered.
ETA - note that "D" or "R" proclivities are not definitive markers for anti- or pro- gun opinions, for individuals; they are, however, pretty good markers for the group attitudes.
Statewide we have ~44% Democrat, 31% Republican, and ~20% 'no party preference'. The other roughly 5% are not really negligible, but they're not a 'block' that can be marketed to.
Use Alameda, Contra Costa, Marin, San Mateo, Santa Clara and San Francisco counties as the SF Bay Area. That's about 4 million registered voters, ~53% D, 19% R, 24% NPP.
Use Los Angeles, Orange and Ventura counties as 'LA area'. That's about 8.3 million registered voters, 41% D, 34% R, 20% NPP
In the 2010 election, 10 million of 17 million registered voters actually participated. About half voted by mail. For the major state offices - Governor, Lieutenant Governor, Secretary of State, the D candidates received about 5 million votes to 4 million for R candidates. (54% to 41%)
In the 2008 Presidential election, about 14 million of 17 million registered actually voted, about 42% by mail. About 8 million, 61%, cast votes for Obama, 5 million, 37%, for McCain
Spending money
The Nation has an article about financing the 2010 election, on line at http://www.thenation.com/article/156...ection-complex
It says "Political advertising has become an enormous cash cow for it—roughly two-thirds of the campaign spending this year flowed into the coffers of TV stations; the final figure is likely to be well above $2 billion."
Why spend 2/3 of 2 billion dollars on 'traditional' media?
They also say "As ads become the primary source of political information, we create a politics based on lies or, at best, decontextualized quarter-truths. Campaign ads are unregulated for truthfulness, unlike commercial advertising. Three decades ago Ogilvy and Mather executive Robert Spero determined that if political ads had to meet the same Federal Trade Commission criteria as commercial ads, all of them would be rejected as fraudulent. The regulation of commercial ads may be more lax today, but we doubt that any study of political ads in 2010 would regard them more favorably than Spero did."
Let's look at 'new media'.
says about 30% of Facebook users are 35+; the core users are 18-24
Public Policy Institute of California says -- www.ppic.org/main/publication.asp?i=262 --
"AGE GAP STILL APPARENT IN REGISTRATION RATES, LIKELIHOOD OF VOTING. Although the 2008 presidential campaign has sparked enthusiasm among young adults, this group is still registering to vote at a much lower rate than older adults. Compared to Californians age 65 and older, a stunningly lower number of 18 to 24 year olds are registered (92% vs. 56%). Likely voter rates reveal an even greater disparity: A mere 24% of adults ages 18 to 24 are considered likely voters, while 78% of adults age 65 and older are likely to participate in elections."
That group of core users of 'social media' isn't a good fit for political messages - and if they don't vote, they can't change the legislators and Sheriffs and State officials - at least, not before we think we'll get the court decisions we expect.
That doesn't mean that additional avenues should not be tried; some kind of access to younger people ought to have an influence on them when they are older. But it's not a near-term solution to reversing years of negatively biased media and educational portrayals of guns and gun owners.
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Sometimes I forget: anything I post relative to CA law is in the light of current law, as of the date of the post.
Ask CA law questions in the How CA Laws Apply to/Affect Me Forum
- most questions that start 'Is it legal ...' go there.
Not a lawyer, just Some Guy On The Interwebs.
Last edited by Librarian; 11-02-2011 at 9:30 PM..
Tell you what, let's put an NRA Certified Instructor who's a trainer for one of the counties for carry licenses, and have him spout off about an "armed citizen is a polite citizen", and mention that he won't train in classes Muslims, Arabs, or gays. That'll get a lot of attention right? The wrong kind of attention.
Keep in this mind, sonny, 26 percent of the US supports the ability for a government to ban handgun possession in the home. That's about 78 million or so people. Guess where many of those people are concentrated?
Back to the case at hand, IF he were to win the bradys would lose their minds, here they just get AB144 passed and they get stuck with LOC. and what would they do? spend money to overturn it, all the way to the supreme court. we could get LOC and shall issue and all thanks to the bradys. as I tell me kids, shoot for the moon you'll hit something.
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Much is at stake for us here, and we should not be making important strategic decisions on the basis of wishful thinking.
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The key word being "may." To claim that the references to Nunn, etc are for their "individual rights model"value, & just that is (IMHO) a bit of a reach. Were there no other cases that show the 'individual rights' aspect? Nothing that addresses that, but not the 'carry' aspect. That SCOTUS picked those three cases is (again, IMHO) indicative.
And of course, lets not forget the fact that the Court cited those cases twice. Yes, it may have done so just to show the "individual rights" aspect of the Right. Or, they may have been wanted to give a rather strong hint as to their view of "and bear" & chose this way to do so since "and bear" wasn't an issue directly before them.
Which adds to my guess about their meaning. "And bear" didn't have to be addressed at all. Yet, it was. Now, that may have been just as a sop to Kennedy. Or, it may have been as I guessed it is.
All of this is quite true. You've no doubt seen that "guaranteed" was in no way a part of anything actually said by me. Neither was "foregone conclusion" (not your error, I know). Guessing what SCOTUS will do isn't quite as hard as interpreting the Oracle at Delphi, but it isn't a lot easier either!
So, feel free to regard my predictions as guesses. But, I do have actual words backing up those guesses. I am not just making a claim with nothing to back up my thinking. Could I be wrong? Absolutely. I just don't think so. And until I see something substantial in contradiction, something that really shows that Nunn & the others were cited just to show the 'individual rights' aspect, I'm going to keep thinking so.
Up until SCOTUS puts us all in our place!
True, it is not assured. Again, I could easily be less than right.
But, there is value in doing things in the right way & the right order. Presuming I'm right, & that Nunn & those other cases were quoted for a reason, then going for LOC first has great value.
It would be the easier path to take. This isn't guesswork. Look at all the failures we've had so far. Look at how the Bradys have quoted Nunn & all those other cases against us. Look at how the Bradys have quoted SCOTUS in their efforts to show that CCW is not Constitutionally protected. Look at how the courts have accepted that claim. Judges & justices try to divine meaning from SCOTUS Rulings also. So far, they've all come to the same conclusion I have:
There just ain't any Constitutional protection for carrying concealed.
But there is protection for carrying openly. Or such is the hint from SCOTUS. That being the case, then isn't the obvious path to follow the one SCOTUS wants us to follow?
And, would it really be such a bad thing if CCW wasn't Constitutionally protected? As I said before in another thread, LOC first has the virtue of have the sequence correct. It doesn't mean LOC only. History shows us that when LOC is locked in, reasonable CCW regs follow.
The reverse cannot be said about CCW first. That could easily lead to a license being the Minimum Constitutional Standard. Which would weaken the Right tremendously. Making the 2A different from everything else in the BofR. Which could also (easily?) lead to UNreasonable regs. I see no value in giving the antis even a small lever to wield against our efforts to strengthen the 2A.
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NOTE: For the purposes of the following analysis I've used this text available as a PDF file on the SCOTUSblog. Page number references are to the page number appearing on each page of the majority opinion (not the Adobe page counter).
Meaning of the Second Amendment
On page 2 of the majority opinion (the Opinion of the Court), the Court begins a lengthy discussion of the meaning of the Second Amendment. Beginning on page 7, the Court discusses the meaning of the phrase, "keep and bear arms" in the Second Amendment.
Following some discussion of "keep", the Court turns to the question of what "bear arms" means. In the course of that discussion the Court writes (pp 11 -12):
Historical Interpretations
Following the extensive discussion of the meaning of the Second Amendment, the Court looks at the way the Second Amendment has been interpreted historically, beginning thus (pg 32):
Limitations on the Rights Described by the Second Amendment
The Court notes (pg 54):
Finally, the Court cites Nunn one more time (pg 57):
The Court in Heller cited both Nunn and Chandler, in each case together with other cases, three times: first for the proposition that the reference in the Second Amendment to a right to bear arms was understood to be a right to carry arms that was unconnected with service in a militia; second, to show that historically courts have understood the rights described by the Second Amendment to be individual rights independent of service in a militia; and third, that courts have sustained limitations on the rights described by the Second Amendment and state constitutional analogs.
The Court first cited Nunn and Chandler in a footnote with several other cases to demonstrate that the bearing of arms was understood to be an individual, personal matter and not limited to service in a militia. This of course is part and parcel of demonstrating that the Second Amendment describes individual and not collective rights.
The second citation to both cases, with some others, demonstrated that courts understood the Second Amendment to describe individual rights.
The third citation to both cases, with some others, demonstrated that the courts at that time believed that the rights described by the Second Amendment or similar state constitutional provisions could be subject to limitations.
"It is long been a principle of ours that one is no more armed because he has possession of a firearm than he is a musician because he owns a piano. There is no point in having a gun if you are not capable of using it skillfully." -- Jeff Cooper
Last edited by fiddletown; 11-03-2011 at 1:21 PM..
The Second Amendment is the one right that is so fundamental that the inability to exercise it, should the need arise, would render all other rights null and void. Dead people have no rights.
Magna est veritas et praevalebit
It's not a question of a right to carry concealed being protected, nor is it a question of a right to carry openly being protected. Heller in effect says that the right to bear arms is an individual right unconnected with service in a militia. Therefore, the individual's right to carry a gun for self defense is protected, but not necessarily to carry it conceal or to carry it openly. And Heller clearly recognizes that rights described by the Second Amendment may be subject to some limitations.
The availability of some carry option very well may satisfy, in a court's view, the Second Amendment. And thus a court might find that the Second Amendment is satisfied by a right to carry openly but not concealed, or to carry concealed but not openly, or to carry either openly or concealed; and it's possible that a court would conclude that any or all available carry options could be subject to a "shall issue" license to carry requirement?
Considering the range of results possible our strategy needs to well thought out. And I submit that a result that allows only open carry is undesirable.
In many ways, from a simple life style perspective, concealed carry has a number of desirable attributes that open carry lacks. For example, in inclement weather it will be more convenient to carry one's gun under a coat or in a pocket than openly and exposed to the weather.
And some people, in various social or professional situations need to conform their manner of dress to certain accepted norms, e. g., wearing a coat and tie. People in such circumstances could not realistically openly carry a gun and would be effectively disarmed and deprived of the ability to most effectively defend themselves if open carry were the only option.
"It is long been a principle of ours that one is no more armed because he has possession of a firearm than he is a musician because he owns a piano. There is no point in having a gun if you are not capable of using it skillfully." -- Jeff Cooper
Last edited by fiddletown; 11-03-2011 at 1:14 PM..
Yes, I think some right to carry outside the home is protected.
"It is long been a principle of ours that one is no more armed because he has possession of a firearm than he is a musician because he owns a piano. There is no point in having a gun if you are not capable of using it skillfully." -- Jeff Cooper
Actually, what you've done is repeat, albeit more elaborately, your claim as to why the Court cited and quoted Nunn, etc. The first quote (the second cite by your way of counting) did indeed describe an individual Right. The Right being described was the to "bear" arms. Note that after Nunn was quoted (using a paragraph that didn't mention carrying openly) they said:
Note they start with the word "likewise." The paragraph from Nunn didn't address the method of "and bear," just that the 2A was an individual Right. The quote from Chandler does address "and bear" however. What's the "likewise" connecting the two if not the Right to carry openly?
The Court's second quote (third cite by your counting) does indeed address limitations. The limitations being discussed being manner of "and bear." That being the case, the several references to how open carry is protected are a pretty big hint from the Court that limitations on concealed carry, even to the point of banning the practice, are going to be OK with the Court. But that limitations on carrying openly are not.
Your guess is contrary. You could be right. But your ability to follow what people say is a bit flawed.
From your other post:
All that you said about the situations that would require carrying concealed is correct.
But, I never said anything about open carry being the only option allowed. If you had correctly followed my words, you would have noticed that my belief is that open carry is the method of carry that is Constitutionally protected. Nothing in my analysis lead, or should have lead, you to think anything else. Your analysis is completely, horribly flawed. So, let me re-phrase in the hopes that you'll follow along this time.
If my analysis is correct & LOC becomes the protected Right (again), then, yes, CCW could be outlawed. I simply don't think that will happen. Could the completely unfair way the privilege is now granted in some places remain? Unlikely. My reading of the various suits in re CCW leads me to think that while they won't make CCW Constitutionally protected, they will impose fairness. I.E., We'll go from May-Issue to Shall-Issue.
Which will allow people in suits & ties to pack heat discreetly.
Is that clear enough for you?
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In any case, I've stated and supported my view of the matter, and others can decide for themselves.
"It is long been a principle of ours that one is no more armed because he has possession of a firearm than he is a musician because he owns a piano. There is no point in having a gun if you are not capable of using it skillfully." -- Jeff Cooper
Given the nearly definitive case citations in Heller which support open carry, combined with the announcement that concealed carry laws are probably constitutional, I tend to favor with Mulay's view here. But at a minimum there is plenty of room for discussion sans ad hominems.
The Second Amendment is the one right that is so fundamental that the inability to exercise it, should the need arise, would render all other rights null and void. Dead people have no rights.
Magna est veritas et praevalebit
Our position needs to be that carrying of arms for personal protection outside the home is constitutionally protected (not that only open carry is protected). And the general proposition that carry outside the home is constitutionally protected is directly supported by the language of Heller.
Any support for open carry in Nunn or Chandler may be historically interesting, but has little precedential value. Both are state court cases applicable only in their respective States. Both refer to the Secondary Amendment, but both were decided (in 1846 and 1850, respectively) after the U. S. Supreme Court had already ruled that the Bill of Rights did not apply to the States (Barron v. Baltimore, 32 U.S. (7 Pet.) 243 (1833)).
And as clearly apparent from the direct and explicit language of the Court in Heller, neither was ever cited to show adoption of a position by the Court supporting open carry. Rather those cases, with others, were cited explicitly to show (1) that the right to bear arms was understood to be an individual right unconnected with service in a militia; (2) that the rights described in the Second Amendment were understood to be individual rights; and (3) that the rights described in the Second Amendment were understood to be subject to limitations.
And as edwardm pointed out in post 129:
And as for ad hominems, I also take offense at being told:
"It is long been a principle of ours that one is no more armed because he has possession of a firearm than he is a musician because he owns a piano. There is no point in having a gun if you are not capable of using it skillfully." -- Jeff Cooper
We're going to be waiting a very long time for any of those once we get shall-issue LTC for concealed carry here.
That's not to say that going for shall-issue LTC isn't the best course of action, because it may be the only course of action that's likely to succeed. But that action will have consequences, and it will foreclose all those other options to us for decades (if not for all time).
And I'm willing to make a $1000 donation to CGF if I'm proven wrong.
The Constitution is not "the Supreme Law of the Land, except in the face of contradicting law which has not yet been overturned by the courts". It is THE SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND, PERIOD. Your oath to uphold the Constitution is a joke unless you refuse to enforce unadjudicated laws you believe are Unconstitutional.
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I hope I end up having to donate another $1000 to CGF... However, this $500 is one I hope to not have to donate...
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Is there an easy way to do that?
In fact the deeper problem is that I want to put a damn onchange trigger on partner_id in stock.picking. I realized there is already an onchange on stock.view_picking_form (on_change="onchange_picking_type(picking_type_id,partner_id)"). And this on_change mute the v8 @api.onchange unfortunately. So now I will override the onchange_picking_type method but I don't want to rewrite all my code in v7. Any way to do that?
You can just call the override method with super(), This could work for you:
class my_picking_extension(models.Model):
_name = 'stock.picking'
def onchange_picking_type(self, cr, uid, ids, picking_type_id, partner_id, context=None):
values = super(my_picking_extension).onchange_picking_type(cr, uid, ids, picking_type_id, partner_id, context=context):
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values['value']['field_x'] = 'change value'
return values
I use the same code as you, but I need to call another function from another model that I coded in v8. I don't want to recode it in v7 :( That function is fairly complex and I don't want to have to maintain 2 versions of the same code... one for v7 and one for v8.
what function?
I put the code down there, for better formatting...
Here is the function I want to call. It is part of another model.
def get_domain_for_onchange_partner_id(self, sale_or_picking_id):
domain = {'carrier_id': [],
'delivery_service_id': []}
if sale_or_picking_id.partner_id.id or sale_or_picking_id.carrier_id.id:
result = self.get_delivery_option_default(sale_or_picking_id.carrier_id, sale_or_picking_id.partner_id)
if result and result["level"]:
default = result['delivery_option_default']
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if result["level"] != "carrier":
sale_or_picking_id.carrier_id = default.delivery_carrier_id
domain['carrier_id'].append(('id', 'in', default.allowed_carrier_ids.ids))
domain['delivery_service_id'].append(('id', 'in', default.allowed_service_ids.ids))
self.set_default_options(sale_or_picking_id, default)
if sale_or_picking_id.carrier_id.id:
domain['delivery_service_id'].append(('carrier_id', '=', sale_or_picking_id.carrier_id.id))
return domain
I don't get why you couldn't call it? always that you have the value of sale_or_picking_id argument you could simply do it, like:
Ohhhhhh I tried to call with self.env[""].function_name I think! I'll try monday. Thanks.
Ok I must have forget ", self" in the call to the super function. Now the function get_domain_for_onchange_partner_id gets called. But the dot notation doesn't work since the sale_or_picking_id was loaded as the old API. I need to make a copy of this function to work on V7... Very annoying to be in version 9 and still have to code in V7 :(
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I tried to use cdrdao under Linux(Fdeora Core 3) to back up an old music cd (lots of scratches) using
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I was in denial too @lilyloubelle. Took three scans in three days and still in denial. I felt so pregnant 😥
I was in denial too @lilyloubelle. Took three scans in three days and still in denial. I felt so pregnant 😥
My scan is booked for the 16th, I'll be 7w1d. So you're due about 2 weeks ahead of me. But I'll have a CS so our bubs will be born around the same time. Wouldn't it be funny if they shared a birthday too?
I'm feeling very pregnant. I have no appetite at all, but I feel constantly bloated. I feel like my tummy is full of cement, it just feel so heavy and uncomfortable. I'm completely exhausted all the time, which isn't very convenient during the school holidays.
We've got the in-laws down at the moment, and it's hard to hide how crap I feel. Luckily we had gastro through the house last week so I don't think they're suspicious.
Otherwise nothing else to report, I'm just waiting around for my scan. We're going camping next week so hopefully that will help the time pass a bit quicker
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Our scans are the same day sms
Mines just to check on bubs growth. Ill also have one at 36 weeks.
There's no issues with bub. its just precautionary because of my high bmi... they won't use fundal height as they know it will be unreliable/out.
I'm glad...it will give me a rough guide of what size to expect bub. I'm expecting 9-10lbs. my son was 9lbs. No gestational diabetes ...i just grow decent sized bubs!!
They start small...
ds was 4 days behind at 8 weeks.
2 days behind at 12wks
1 week ahead at 20 weeks...
about 4 weeks ahead (3kgs estimated) at 36 weeks!!!
He came 38+6 at just over 4kgs...or 9lbs.
this bub was 5 days behind at 8 weeks...
2 days ahead at 12 weeks...
11 days ahead at 20 weeks.
it will be interesting to see how much he has grown since then. I'm guessing he will be about 18-20 days ahead... i don't have gd.. just bake them well lol
@Sally1981 I'm glad it's not just me!! I went straight from my scan that told me bubs wasn't growing and had no heartbeat straight to the bottle shop to go and get some wine! Made me feel better at the time.
Especially knowing now what I saw a week odd before my scan that time, I would have known for sure...the scan was friggen empty.... Just a big Ol empty sack
I told my old boss today about belly baby, she was so happy for me.
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@lilyloubelle I think it takes a lot of courage to wait it out like that. I couldn't do it. I had the d&c the day after I found out. I'd seen the hb twice by then so seeing it there with none was more than I could handle.
Admittedly when I actually passed the sac, I probs should have gone to the hospital.... There was a lot more than I thought there would be. ... Ok ...enough sad talk....the contractions though seriously will be interesting to know if it's what I'm to expect when an actual baby comes out (obviously a lot bigger baby lol)
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Do Now: Your Communication Style Answer the following questions to reflect upon your communication style. List all the ways you communicate with others (e.g., text, phone call, face to face, etc.). What is your preferred way to communicate with friends? What is your preferred way to communicate with family? What is your preferred way to communicate with other adults (e.g. teacher, coach, employer)? Were any of those questions difficult to answer? If so, why? What factors do you consider when deciding which form of communication to use?
Professional Communication With a partner, discuss: In what ways do you currently communication with professionals and in what ways will you communicate in the future? What aspects of professional communication are you most comfortable with? Least comfortable with?
Professional Critique Read over the on the following slide. This was sent by a real high school student to a real college professor who had agreed to mentor the student. After you read the , write in any edits to grammar and spelling directly on the . Then jot down ways the could be improved in the box below.
Professional Critique From: Student To: Mentor Date: 9/1/15 Subject: Hi Dear Mentor, Hello, My name is XXXXXXXX. I know you have a busy schedule, but this is just to let you know I'm excited with working with you. I am excited to be working with you. I know there might be some difficulties but I am here to let you know I will work my hardest. Thank you for taking time to read this. I am very excited.! Have a nice day. Regards, XXXXXXXX
Professional Critique
Etiquette While there are many forms of communication, is easily the most common in many of today's workplaces. Writing multiple professional s is an essential everyday task in many jobs. Yet an can make a lasting first impression or change the impression others already have of you, in ways that can be either good or bad. Read on for some etiquette tips. Then you will partner up to come up with your own additional tips to add to the list!
Etiquette 1. Be concise. If the warrants a long response, consider calling the person or talking face to face instead. Avoid wordiness and use bullets or numbered lists when appropriate. 2. Be clear. Get directly to your point as soon as possible. Don't leave the reader confused or guessing about anything. 3. Use appropriate language. Consider your audience. Use language that conveys a professional tone. 4. Be cordial and polite. Use manners the way you would in real conversation. Say please and thank you. Be cheerful. 5. Respond to s in a timely fashion. Replying the same or the next day is a standard in many workplaces. Waiting up to two business days is sometimes okay. But if you know you need longer than that, send a quick update and acknowledgement to the sender explaining when you will be able to send your reply. 6. State expectations clearly. If there is a deadline or required follow-up involved, state it directly. Summarize any action items you or the recipient will take. 7. Include a specific subject line. Use 3-5 words that describe the content or main focus of the clearly, with enough detail to help the recipient have a sense of the content before they even open the up. 8. Watch spelling and grammar. Re-read your once before you send it to check for these mistakes. If you edit your wording, re-read the again, because oftentimes errors occur when a part of the writing is adjusted without re-reading it.
Other Best Practices in Communication With a partner, brainstorm at least 3 other possible rules, words of wisdom, or norms for etiquette and style related to professional communication. Add your idea to the table below:
Homework: A Professional Conduct informal research (using the Internet and/or your own personal contacts!) to find a person who works in a career field you are interested in. Then compose a professional to this person in which you ask questions about the field or even ask to shadow or have a face-to-face or phone conversation with them, if they are available.
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