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Nitpicking over nitpicking, over nitpicking. Are we done with Bioshock and Dishonored? Good, because we have also GTA, Witcher, RDR, Darkness, Mafia 2, and many other games included in her video and bazillion other that are not included to discuss and analyze frame by frame. Sarkeesian's latest video is understandable for moderately intelligent person. No one is forcing anyone to agree with her but at least show some intellectual honesty and said so upfront instead of building straw man and nitpicking/derailment argument. Her point is on the table: violence against women and sexual violence against women are extremely prevalent in video games but are used as a texture and/or flavor to make villain a villain or world looks gritty/realistic (grass is green, sky is blue, woman is beaten = realism, grass is dark, sky is dark, woman is raped = gritty realism). She also states that it is a bad thing and it should stop. Number of bullshit arguments that circulates in this thread is mind numbing: "if only her videos were shorter", "she might would have a point is she wouldn't included <insert game title I like here>", "it's too much academia", "not enough academia", "her voice is too monotonous", "what about censorship", "what about <insert another problem I found in video games I've just come up with>", "I'm not sure she is helping", "we might loose some great games if dev will listen to her", "she's a celebrity and/or scam", "I would to this differently", "there is ton of better critique elsewhere", "games will became rainbows and unicorns if devs will listen to her", " if she can't fix everything that is wrong with video games and world her points are invalid", " I doubt she played these games", "this game fragment I nitpick here invalidates all her video" and many, many more of the same bullshit nature.
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Number of bullshit arguments that circulates in this thread is mind numbing
I said one that "bullshit argument" about video lenght, because if she want her message to be heard by wider audience, making 30 minutes long video will not do. I just stated simple fact. It doesn't make the message of her videos better or worse. Stop implying that.
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The bible is a perfect example of the total opposite of what you claim. Christianity was spread throughout the world not because some one said to there neighbor "ooo ive read this great book its got all these cool stories and it kinda gives you a good way to live your life". It was spread through war and conquest. From the Romans bringing it to Europe, to the Conquistadors to Southern America, war and conflict. This is exactly the same as Islam, ect ect. The Bible, Christianity and the way it is followed also massively depends on the culture of the people who are practicing it, example the worship of Saints such as La Mort by some Catholics in Mexico, which probably wouldn't go down to well in the Vatican.
It is only when a media leaves the culture that it has been created in and is widely consumed by another culture that it can have an effect on changing cultures. Media very rarely leave the culture it was created in and when it does it is very rarely consumed in great numbers.
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I am a bit disappointed that the reaction to being shown flaws in her videos and application of theories is roughly (In my own words...yeah I know you will throw strawman at me):
"But her general premise is fine and that is what matters."
This is what we have been arguing and it is not all that matters if any of the following are true:
1. Her videos are meant as guides to developers.
2. She is trying to prove pervasiveness of tropes.
3. There is some point to us watching the next 9 videos.
Last edited by Misnomer; 29-08-2014 at 05:10 PM.
Culture spreads itself. Media is short for medium. It's just a vehicle the culture rides in. Culture spreads by a form of natural selection (or meme selection) and ideas can stick and spread if they're good at sticking and spreading. Parts of culture certainly spread from the area they were created and definitely get consumed in great numbers. I mean I had sushi in Texas yesterday, after selecting a restaurant from a huge list of exotic and foreign restaurants. I just finished reading 1Q84. I grew up playing Final Fantasy, Zelda and Mario, and at that time the rest of the world was obsessed with American jeans.
2. She is trying to prove pervasiveness of tropes.
3. There is some point to us watching the next 9 videos.
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My point was that if any of the 3 was true then it is worth nitpicking and critically breaking down her arguments (not her as a person as Sparkasaurusmex thinks I am doing. Have a computerized voice read those words without me knowing who wrote them and I would still have issues with the Bioshock 2 examples and I would still think it was intended for an academic audience.)
If developers are using her videos as guides, they should know which parts are flawed and that their context could matter.
If a trope is not pervasive outside of a single genre, then maybe focusing on that type of sexism instead of other issues is a waste of resources if you are not making a game in that genre.
If her examples actually prove her point, then we should see all of her examples in coming videos.
So we should nitpick and evaluate the videos specifically then. Thank you Matt_W.
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It seems to me the main difficulty people are having is teasing apart the relationship between the aggregate pattern (e.g. violence against women) and the examples used to demonstrate it, and how that relates to the obligations we have as developers, gamers, and writers. And again I think an example from outside the world of gaming can be useful, in that it bypasses reflexive responses drawn from the investment we have in games and gaming.
The example I want to use is Willow/Tara from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. The relationship between Willow and Tara was one of the first lesbian relationships depicted on television and as such was followed closely. Tara's death and the events surrounding it led to an internet shitstorm of epic proportions (by 2001 standards). There were several elements to the controversy, among which was the claim that Tara's death, and the 'Dark Willow' arc that followed it, reinforced a long-running cliche of lesbian relationships in fiction ending with one of the partners either dead, or evil, or in the Willow/Tara case, both. This trope was objectionable not only because it was tiresome and predictable, but because it implicitly supported the idea that lesbianism was unnatural and therefore doomed to some spectacular and unhappy end.
I was a fan of the show, and a fan of Willow/Tara in particular, but I was never able to engage with this and other arguments presented by aggrieved Willow/Tara fans. My response to the Dead/Evil Lesbian Cliche would be familiar to defenders of Bioshock 2 and other games highlighted in Sarkeesian's videos: "look at the context!" I said. And in fact, I still say that. I think Tara's death worked in the context of the show -- it was utterly heartwrenching, as it was meant to be -- and provided the impetus for the awesome Dark Willow arc. These things matter.
And yet, it doesn't really address the problem, does it? Let's grant that Tara's death 'worked' in the context of BtVS (some people disagree, although in my experience they tend to be the kinds of folks who had little to no interest in the show outside of Willow/Tara). Maybe the fates of lesbian characters even 'work' in the context of most of the books/movies/etc. that are cited under the Evil/Dead Lesbian Cliche. Be that as it may, it doesn't change the fact that when we step back from these individual works, the overall pattern is pretty Fucked Up, and does indeed contain some ugly assumptions and messages about the nature of lesbian relationships. It's reasonable to be concerned about that too. To be pissed off about it, even.
So what's the take home message, both in this case and with Sarkeesian et al? I think it's a message for both developers and gamers: to be aware of these systematic patterns of depiction which have shaped our own ways of thinking, to be conscious of the ways they can be problematic, and to therefore ask if we really need to contribute yet another instance of e.g. brothels as a way to titillate the gamer and add grit just because it "seems to fit". Simply put, the invitation is to be more conscious producers, consumers, and commentators of culture. In this respect, I think Sarkeesian's videos are a valuable contribution, and if they are an unwelcome one, I suspect that is in part because we can no longer proclaim the innocence born of ignorance.
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As a basic logical argumentation point. The video argues about a trend, nit picking an individual point as an outlier doesn't actually disqualify the trend itself. Which is what the nit picking is.
There are plenty of these things where if they disappeared, we wouldn't miss them, and if we went back to them after X amount of time we'd think "Jesus, what were we doing?" People get angry when you suggest something like that because they attach far too much importance to videogames, everything about videogames, being a part of who they are: they like to think they're fully in control of who they are, what they do, say, or think, and they take the implication that some things about videogames are warped and harmful and should be done away with as a personal attack.
So it's perfectly relevant to talk about this stuff, because a great deal of this INTERNET RAAAEEEEG stems from certain people not wanting to accept that yes, the way they act has been shaped by the culture they've consumed, and how the vast, vast majority of regular folks don't think those people are cool and special and awesome because of it, they think they're kind of scary and disturbing and gross, and maybe they should stop being that way. They don't want to think they've ever done anything that could be considered "wrong", because this is the internet, man, just deal with it, man, this is the place where I can be myself, where I have agency the real world just doesn't allow me, and if I have to accept there might be something wrong with all this then where does that leave me?
And as the evidence keeps on mounting up that an increasing number of them are really kind of not quite right, they just keep getting madder and madder.
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The logical leap in there bothers me. This is one of the first depictions, the depiction may have applied a trope, therefore the depiction shows a problem in the television industry's understanding of gay couples. While each step may be true, a larger inference from it is certainly unwarranted.
I would say that in response to Zephro too, nit picking a point makes a big difference when you can't verify otherwise for yourself.
Out of the games I played:
Assassin's Creed 2 - I agree, seemed fair.
Bioshock 2- I disagree, seemed unfair
Far Cry 3- Mostly disagree, but it may be fair still.
No conclusive trend from that sample.
So then I move into games I haven't played where I have to trust her and out of those the Hitman example has been shown to be blatantly misleading and mischaracterized.
Honestly, I don't want to go play all those open world crime games. Am I supposed to take her word for it that there is a trend? Is it just a trend in open world crime games?
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Weird how a sample set of 16-20 just turned into 3. Convenient one might say. Also that part 1 of the trope exists with more.
Absolution is sleazy direct-to-video B-movie nonsense where women exist to look sexy for the enjoyment of men, and/or get shot. None of the semantic quibbling anyone has brought up about how you're meant to play it changes any of that. No-one's saying developers should be legally barred from making games like it, or any such thing, but in a better, more balanced industry, people would look at it and laugh derisively, same as they do for most sleazy, nonsensical B-movies that go straight to video. EDIT: Or they'd play one of the other murder simulators that would exist, ones that gave more options to women than standing around in their underwear or being murdered.
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The Bible, Christianity and the way it is followed also massively depends on the culture of the people who are practicing it, example the worship of Saints such as La Mort by some Catholics in Mexico, which probably wouldn't go down to well in the Vatican.
* Off-topic: it's astonishing how many atheists/secularists don't understand this, and want to wall religion off in some kind of special box, subjecting it and its adherents to all kinds of restrictions that they'd never think of applying to Alice in Wonderland or to adherents of the Church of the Wall Street Journal. Of course it makes perfect sense to divide the world into 'the word of God' and 'everything else' ... if you're an adherent of the religion in question.
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Hello. If you've clicked this, you have shown no mercy. Joffrey is DEAD. Sorry spoiler. For those who haven't read the books - we now have the joy of our first proper murder mystery. (As let's face it, none of the other deaths have exactly been subtle) As such, we should only celebrate with an intense look at the last final 5 minutes and speculate whodunnit. So many suspicious glances…
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12. However, anyone can pick up a flagon of wine that someone else poisoned. And the wine originally came from here.
13. So Charles Dance has quite a naturally untrustworthy facial structure - but this is a particularly murderous glance we're sure we all agree.
Tywin also had a lot of incentive for killing his odious grandson, with the Lannisters finally in control of the Iron Throne: just the worst one of the bunch sitting on it. He does look like he is enjoying that cake quite a lot in Joffrey's final moments… Cake of victory?!
14. Then look at Margaery…
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15. And what's the best way to distract everyone from the fact they've just poisoned the king?
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16. Lady Olenna. And here's what she looked like as Joffrey grasped the cup.
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17. Then look at the shared exchange between Tyrion and long-suffering Sansa when he delivers the fatal vino.
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18. And what about THIS GUY?
The Fool (who has been under Joffrey's constant ridicule) conveniently crops up at the right moment to whisk not-so-comic Sans away from the action…
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You can think what you like but Madonna is a long, long way off from wanting to take the proverbial step back and hand on the sceptre of the Queen of Pop to some record label-manufactured newbie. And the video for her new song, Give Me All Your Luvin, out today, is the clearest of proof. Without going in for subtle exegesis, there are two themes that emerge from Ms Ciccone's latest appearance:
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If you're not from the US, it's hard to appreciate what the SuperBowl represents for Americans. It's like having your country in the World Cup final, only with ten times the number of viewers tuned in. And since the event is massive, half-time usually sees appropriately massive shows. To give you an idea, in 12 minutes in 2001 Ben Stiller, Adam Sandler, Chris Rock, Aerosmith, 'N Sync, Britney Spears, Mary J. Blige and Nelly all made appearances. The fact that Madonna is monopolising this year's half-time show (there are a lot of guest stars, but they're ONLY guest stars) demonstrates once again that she is simply the best. And she, rightly enough, underlines it with her video and a dance troupe transformed into beefy American football players at her complete and total service. In other words, tomorrow night Americans will tune in to watch her concert. And then there'll be the football.
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Nicki Minaj and M.I.A. appear in the video dressed as cheerleaders busy keeping the singers "pro-Madonna". Madonna herself bursts onto the scene armed with dark glasses, a trench coat and a pram, breaking – literally – through a door. Now, I don't know about you, but to me the message looks crystal clear and less than accommodating. No one makes a secret of the fact, her least of all, that Madonna is from a different generation, but today's young people have a long way to go before they can rival her. The message gets clearer still in the second part of the video: Madonna returns in the guise of Marilyn in Material Girl (wearing a pair of silver Sergio Rossi shoes), plus Nicki Minaj and M.I.A, to emphasise once again that "I did things at your age that you're here to learn now." He who has ears, let him hear… But you'd be wrong if you think that this is the old lioness' last roar: Madonna looks in amazing shape, wearing outfits that could have come straight from the videos from her 2000 album Music. It's impressive, to say the least.
Musically speaking, the new single is neither a really good nor a really bad example of the mainstream pop of recent years. It's hugely catchy, fun, genetically predisposed to getting massive amounts of airtime, carefree and pretty un-challenging. We're unfortunately (though some might think it a blessing) a long way from the days of Frozen.
So, here's the take-home summary, Give Me All Your Luvin is the clearest of messages to the whole world. To anyone anxiously waiting to find a "new Madonna", she's saying: "You don't need one: you've got the original here, and she's all you need. Let's move on." Believe us, she's right.
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Killian Charles, an analyst with Industrial Alliance in Montreal, isn't too concerned if the gold price hits $1,300 an ounce or even $1,000. He's more concerned with the gold breaking point. How low can the gold price go without breaking a project? Investors will be surprised to know that a wealth of junior miners are lean and mean enough to survive a pint-sized gold price. Charles talks with The Gold Report about which companies have re-sized and redesigned their projects to make it in this unforgiving market.
The Gold Report: Killian, what are the main causes of the disconnect between commodity prices and the share prices of mining companies?
Killian Charles: It's the fundamental difference between the commodity itself and mining companies.
There's an unspoken belief that, when you invest in a junior mining company, you're essentially buying a portion of the deposit. Investors are looking to diversify by having gold as a commodity in their portfolios and they look to gold junior companies. Yet the exit strategy from those gold junior companies results in cash, so they're left tangibly playing the gold space, but not having what initially brought them in.
That is why a lot of companies are considering gold dividends. At least that way investors playing the gold space are actually being paid in the commodity that interested them at the start.
TGR: Do you think that's going to gain traction?
KC: The smaller producers are having a lot of difficulty getting good traction in this market. A lot of them are going to explore some of these alternative routes. Just as we've had alternative routes for financing, we're going to start seeing alternative routes to increase shareholder value.
TGR: The fall in precious metal values has shaken a lot of investors. What is Industrial Alliance's forecast for gold?
KC: We are less worried about noise surrounding the price of gold. We're focused on the breaking point of the projects we cover. Even if the gold price may be $1,300/ounce [$1,300/oz] at the end of the year, we are more concerned if the project may survive at $900/oz.
The gold price is important to companies that have producing assets, however. Into 2014 and out to 2020, we typically take a conservative approach and go well below $1,300/oz. Beyond 2020, we forecast roughly $1,100/oz because a lot of companies should not be getting excessive value for production that is too far down the pipeline.
TGR: What would you be doing to gain traction in this market if you were in the shoes of a junior precious metals company?
KC: Instead of showing how well a project works at $2,000/oz, I would show the market how well a project works in any environment. All gold projects have decent leverage to higher gold prices. What's more important is showing that there is a smaller sensitivity to the downside, showing how they can still stay relevant on a downturn. Quite a few companies out there would survive and make money in almost any scenario.
TGR: Many of the companies you cover are working on mining projects in the Canadian provinces of Ontario and Québec. Is the safety of those jurisdictions a considerable factor?
KC:. Yes, you can't split it any other way. When people here think about royalties, they're haggling at the details. By and large, there's never really going to be any threat of nationalization. There are no military coups happening in the U.S., Canada, U.K., Sweden or Norway, etc. I find that is very important because work will keep going and I do not have to be afraid that an election might change that suddenly. I can plan for royalties and taxes. I cannot plan for a government getting kicked out of a country and losing my property.
TGR: Some industry insiders are saying that only the better projects will get financed in the current tight market. How do you define "better" projects?
KC: For us, better projects are those that are difficult to kill off. We are big believers in finding the project's "gold internal rate of return." What gold price gives us a net present value [NPV] of zero? We try to find that gold price breaking point for different projects. The lower the gold price breaking point, the more interested we are in the project, and the stronger we feel a project could be.
This allows us to have an agnostic approach to what a better project may be. We find that projects with slightly lower capital expenditures but offset by higher operating expenditures end up being stronger and that's not very surprising. It's much more important to get the mine into production through almost any means necessary. Even though it might be a little smaller and might not immediately benefit from economy of scale, expansion could come at a later point. Projects that may not be initially strong could, through a simple redesign, turn out much healthier in this market simply because they scale everything down to a scope that is manageable.
TGR: Some development-stage gold and silver projects are getting financing by forward selling a portion of their production to banks or royalty companies, while others have arranged credit facilities backed by board members. Some even manage equity financings despite record low share prices. What's your preference among those options?
KC: I'd rather see a company do a royalty or gold streaming when it is in a position of power, but that's rarely the case. At the end of the day, I find that most 3-5% royalties don't affect the final NPV greatly and still provide an injection of much-needed cash.
We've seen some companies manage to do equity financings. A lot of companies that our group previously approached to do a financing initially told us they were waiting for better times. As an example, company A's stock was trading at $1/share and went down to $0.50/share. Instead of thinking about the present, it is stuck looking in the rearview mirror at the $1/share. Sure enough, a few months go by and now the company is really hurting for cash. Its share price is possibly even lower and now it has no choice but to raise cash. Importantly, the market opportunity that presented itself previously may not be there anymore.
Convertible debt never really works out. These companies have no real way of servicing the debt so it almost always ends up being converted into shares down the road or renegotiated repeatedly to push back the payment schedule.
TGR: The great thing about royalty streaming is that royalty companies have such efficient and effective people vetting those projects. If a royalty company is willing to give a junior money up front, you know that it's going to go into production and generate cash flow.
KC: That is very true. A lot of streaming or royalty companies do more due diligence than large funds that might take a large position in an equity raise.
TGR: Some Québec-based mining companies can draw on Québec government-owned funds and the expertise of SOQUEM, the province's mining and exploration company. How much of an advantage is that in today's finance market for junior mining companies?
KC: SOQUEM is more of an advantage in a bull market. It operates as a government-owned project-generating company that will flip or joint venture early-stage projects out to other companies. It does help.
What's much more interesting is the Québec government-owned funds. They move a lot slower, but what I find interesting with these funds is that there's no secret game being played; there are no backhanded maneuvers. Once they believe in your asset, they'll be stable. They're not going to try to short run your stock before an issue. That said, if your share price is stuck middling in the $0.10 range, they're not going to help you drive it up to $0.30/share either.
TGR: Have any of the companies that you cover taken advantage of those funds or do any of those funds own a position in any of the companies you cover?
KC: Nearly every company that runs through Québec will have some interaction with them. Metanor Resources Inc. (OTCPK:MEAOF) is a good example; it relied on Investissement Québec to provide some necessary financing.
TGR: Sandstorm Gold Ltd. (NYSEMKT:SAND) has agreed to purchase about 20% of gold produced from Metanor's Bachelor Lake mine, which is now up and running. Is everything going as planned at Bachelor Lake?
KC: I think so, but I'm still waiting to see last quarter's numbers. Metanor did have issues last year advancing the underground development as fast as it wanted to. It simply didn't have enough miners. Next quarter will be key to it demonstrating to the market that it's not just another company promising to produce thousands of ounces per year and is one that actually produces.
TGR: What is the production guidance for 2013?
KC: It hasn't put out any large guidance number yet. It should be able to hit anywhere from 30,000-40,000 oz [30-40 Koz] if everything moves along nicely.
TGR: What's your rating on Metanor?
KC: I have a Speculative Buy and a $1 target. It's at about $0.13/share. However, I'm waiting to see quarterly numbers so that I can revalue it.
TGR: I'd like to hear about some other interesting companies that you have under coverage.
KC: I'm a fan of Moneta Porcupine Mines Inc. (OTCPK:MPUCF). The company's asset is about 100 kilometers east of the town of Timmins, Ontario. We're going to see some projects that are in a more agreeable location come in favor. Moneta Porcupine has, by and large, that potential. The project is right along the highway. It has power and there are mines nearby.
Moneta has a sizeable resource of about 4 million ounces [4 Moz] of Indicated and Inferred. It put out a very positive preliminary economic assessment [PEA] late last year.
The company's story is changing. It used to be a simple open-pit and now it wants to look into an underground component. There's a lot of work being done. It will be interesting to see if Moneta is able to leverage its experience to expand the bulk target tonnage and develop the asset.
TGR: Do you have any parting thoughts for us today, Killian?
KC: I think that investors are over-worried about the gold market. Projects are still coming true and companies are still working on interesting things. There is a lot of nervousness out there, but I'm still pleased to see that companies are rethinking and re-imagining developing assets. It's going to make strong projects. To be sure, companies are going to die, but it's going to make a fair amount of projects and companies much more robust. If the market does turn, these projects are going to have a very good chance of being the next group of lower mid-tier gold producing companies.
TGR: Thanks, Killian.
This interview was conducted by Brian Sylvester of The Gold Report.
Killian Charles joined Industrial Alliance Securities Inc. in February 2011 and covers small- and mid-cap exploration and producing companies. He graduated from McGill University with a Bachelor of Science degree in earth and planetary sciences. His technical training is an asset in the evaluation of companies in a sector that is changing rapidly. He previously worked with FNX Mining and QuadraFNX before joining the IAS team.
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These shoes were make for walkin... for 8 months
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Biking in the rain
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Skip to comments.News to Note, October 17, 2009 (see especially STEM CELL STORY...FASCINATING!)
Posted on 10/18/2009 2:13:40 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
News to Note, October 17, 2009: A weekly feature examining news from the biblical viewpoint
(fascinating STEM CELL piece in story #5!)...
(Excerpt) Read more at answersingenesis.org ...
Remember this story? "Man Regrows Fingertip Using Powdered Pig Bladder"
Evidently much of the self healing potential of the human body doesn't function as it could.
If Adam were to live forever he would need some way to keep his body parts repaired unless we are to assume he would never have a serious injury.
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147 posts tagged with slow.
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Why is the wireless part of my wireless router so slow?
Do I need to buy a new router? (boring details of really slow wireless performance below the fold) [more inside]
beachball in january no good
New Year's edition of "my macbook pro is suddenly slow"... [more inside]
Help me speed up my SSD in my MBP!
I installed an SSD into my early-2011 13" MacBook Pro. It's working great, but the benchmark tests don't come close to advertised speeds... [more inside]
i want to wander around and loot properly please.
Please help with my woefully performing installation of Skyrim. Several problems and my Noob-ular cluelessness inside. [more inside]
Why does the pharmacist take so god damn long?
Why does the pharmacist take so god damn long? [more inside]
This is why no one ever lets me pick the movie
I love boring movies. Recommend me your favorites. [more inside]
Slow cooking : science me please!
Can I reuse cooking sauce from last time when slow cooking? [more inside]
You're still not done??
In some way, I'm too slow. It takes me a really long time to do things, especially if they're not interesting. This doesn't apply to all things though. I can move fast, and walk fast, and talk fast. [more inside]
How to fix flaky/slow connection on Windows 7 PC
The wireless internet connection on my PC has been incredibly slow and drops out frequently, even with two totally different adapters. What's going on? [more inside]
My internet connection has slowed to a crawl. Help!
My internet is all wacky: I can torrent at full speed (Around 1.1 mb/s), but both direct downloads and regular http:// web requests are crawling at around 10 to 20 kpbs, even when I'm not torrenting. I've robooted and reconfigured. I suspect Port 80, but I have almost 0 experience in diagnosing and solving network issues. Thoughts?
I have a pound of ground beef and a slow cooker... give me your best chili recipes! [more inside]
Why, when brought out of sleep, are our Macs unusably slow when Safari was left running before they went into sleep mode?
Why, when brought out of sleep, are our Macs unusably slow when Safari was left running before they went into sleep mode? [more inside]
Zombie Political Science
Once upon a time on the Blue, I remember reading an article that went into great analytical detail about the social significance of slow versus fast zombies, even citing philosophers like Hume to make its point. However, I can't find the article for the life of me! Help me, MeFites!
YouTube? Sucks?
Why does YouTube suck so much? [more inside]
rustrating super-slow music folder on an external hard drive.
Frustrating super-slow music folder on an external hard drive. [more inside]
Slow songs are great and all, but not if they're supposed to be fast songs.
Some songs on my iPod and through iTunes seem to be running slow - just enough to be noticeable and to drive me crazy. Songs that I've downloaded recently seem fine until I play them enough, and then it's almost like they wear out - what gives? [more inside]
How to copy and paste quickly in Excel 2011 for Mac.
In Excel 2011 for Mac, everything slows to a crawl if I cut or copy a large number of cells. Is there any way to fix this? If not, is there a different spreadsheet program that could do this quickly? [more inside]
Help me fix a slow Mac!
How do I fix a slow iMac? [more inside]
Apache went boom. Diagnosis?
What the heck just happened to my Apache server? [more inside]
speeding up facebook
Are there any tools for blocking out useless & slow "features" on facebook? I'm unsure the last time I actually appreciated any facebook popup. In particular, I've no need for facebook's toolbar because Adium and my N900 log into facebook's chat directly. Bonus if it'll work under MicroB on a Nokia N900. [more inside]
Keyboard Input Suddenly Slow
Why is my laptop's keyboard input suddenly extremely slow? [more inside]
Laggy Volume Control
Volume control on my computer is laggy and slow and crashy. To the point where it's unusable. This has happened on every Windows computer I have ever owned. Is my volume control program allergic to me or is this a common problem? [more inside]
Broadband shmroadband -- how do I track how slow my laptop runs?
How do I track how slow my laptop really is going? [more inside]
Why does my Hard drive spin for ages at startup?
XP Hard-Drive Filter: When I turn my computer on, after it being off overnight, it starts up fine but the hard disk light is on for several minutes. Start-up time is normal, and desktop loads and computer is usable, can click on icons and open folders/start programs but they take ages to load/open - hard drive stays on at this point. When I use FF it slows it waaaay down. What could be causing this and how can I stop it please? [more inside]
Make my next Mac fast!
Why is my MacBook Pro so laggy, and how can I keep my new MacBook Pro from being the same way? [more inside]
Flash? More like Strobe.
Help me play YouTube and Hulu videos on my PowerBook. [more inside]
Brand new computer slower than older one?
Brand new 13" MacBook Pro feeling sluggish and occasionally freezing. What's going on? [more inside]
It's not the will but the ability
How do I go from 65 miles an hour to 10? Until I was recently hospitalized with multiple pulmonary embolisms I was a very active person at 46: ran and cycled a lot, raising two very young kids, cooking, gardening, splitting wood, I love domesticity and productivity. But the clots have left me a shell of what I was. How do I do less? It's making me crazy and more than a little depressed. [more inside]
Nothing "Karmic"al about my slow computer
Ubuntu 9.10 is running INCREDIBLY slow after a recent reboot. Any suggestions? [more inside]
Trying not to make rotten Apple puns
Internet browsing(wifi) painfully slow on a refurbished Macbook Pro. Similar refurbished Macbook Pro(same specs) seems to work just fine. [more inside]
SBOA (Spinning Beachball of Annoyance)
My Mac just got very sluggish. Common actions like typing, scrolling, clicking app controls, etc. cause the beachball to appear for 5-10 seconds. This happens across applications. Please help me figure out what's wrong. [more inside]
wireless router SLOW
I just put in a new router (cisco wireless n broadband router wrt160N) and it is totally fast when the ethernet cable is plugged into my computer. When I try to use it wirelessly, it works but is VERY slow. any ideas? thanks!!!!!
Slow typing in Excel 2008 and unexplained network traffic
Why would Excel 2008 cause a lot of network traffic while typing in a cell? [more inside]
How to deal with "I can't be in a relationship right now"?
How to deal with "I can't be in a relationship right now"? [more inside]
Can I use a rice cooker as a slow cooker?
Slow cooker/rice cooker question. I have a standard Cuisinart rice cooker and I've heard it said that you can cook other things in it as well, so my question is, can I use it as a slow cooker, in other words, will any slow cooker recipes turn out just as well in a rice cooker? If so, please share them with me! [more inside]
Slow & Steady
Why is my website loading slowly, and how can I fix it? [more inside]
upgraded to snow leopard, or should that be slow leopard?
Help! I upgraded to snow leopard and now my internet is painfully slow. A quick google search shows i'm not the only one, but the only fix I can find (to do with the firewall) doesn't help me as I don't have firewall on. There seems to be no difference between Safari and Firefox. I'm seriously considering using time machine to get back to Leopard days. As an example, pre snow leopard, a speed test measured at 1.83mb/s download, 0.16mb/s upload and 41ms latency, speed test just now says 0.46mb/s, 0.24mb/s upload and 51ms latency. Therefore it looks like my upload speed has improved by my download has taken a dial up style kicking. As I don't upload anything very often, I don't care about any improvement in this area. Can anyone assist? I'm running a January 2009 macbook if that helps.
Computer slowing for no reason!
Why did my laptop (Vista) started slowing down dramatically for no reason? This is after I rebooted (many times), and turned off half the startup programs, ran anti-virus programs and AdAware. [more inside]
The stuff Dreamweaver's are made of
Dreamweaver CS3 on Vista slows to a halt when typing or adding text. [more inside]
What is for Dinner?
I have read conflicting reviews about cooking boneless skinless chicken breast in a slow cooker. I will be making apricot chicken in the crock pot tomorrow. The recipe calls for a chicken cut into serving size pieces. I am using boneless skinless chicken breast instead. How long do you usually cook it on low? The recipe says 3-8 hours. Pretty wide berth there. Any tips?
XP Pro x64 SP2 non-responsive on the domain
Windows XP Pro x64 SP2 on hp dv4-1430us loads and run's slow on the domain but not when I log on locally. [more inside]
Can someone please explain random internet slowings which can only be fixed by unplugging router...
What is causing my Qwest DSL internet connection to get slow several times a day. Unplugging the router fixes the problem temporarily. [more inside]
How can I fix slow network speeds?
What is making the connection between my two computers so slow? [more inside]
My 5 year old dell laptop (8600) has suddenly lost processor speed.
My 5 year old dell laptop (8600) has suddenly lost processor speed. Techy details after the break... [more inside]
How to investigate a slow startup process on Windows XP computers on a medium business domain
Is there software or some automated method to audit the entire startup process of a Windows XP computer to find why startup is slow? [more inside]
wirless connection slow down
Can anyone suggest a remedy for a slowed up wireless connection? [more inside]
DVD Shrink rips slower on my new Vista laptop! HALP!
Speeding up DVD Shrink ripping on my laptop? [more inside]
Best slow cooker kicking?
What's the best slow cooker out there? [more inside]
Digital videocam capable of slow-motion video?
Can you suggest a video camera for recording slow-motion video? [more inside]
Slow Down Ricky Bobby!
I go too fast at work. How do I slow down? [more inside]


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David Guth, a University of Kansas journalism professor, tweeted this on Monday:
Why do some who claim to want a world devoid of violence and hate sound so violent and hateful?
He did not walk it back:
Naturally Guth received a lot of criticism, among them, this tweeter asking for a classroom debate:
Full exposure to and understanding of both sides of the story isn't relevant to journalism studies? That sounds about right these days, unfortunately.
Some people just want to pick and choose which parts of the Constitution should apply:
Here's the money shot:
The NRA has called for Guth's firing, but the University of Kansas tweeted today that their professor doesn't speak for the university and those were his own personal opinions:
Guth doesn't speak for them, except when he's in the classroom more than likely filling minds with that kind of garbage.
Newsbusters has an analysis of Guth's blog here. It's pretty much what you'd expect.


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Posted in thread: Biab fwh on 01-16-2014 at 02:46 AM
Lol.. For the reasons you two pointed out I'm done with these forums and off too the aha. If
you have a difference of opinion with the wrong person our always turns into a downward spiral.
The communi...
Posted in thread: MrMalty. I don't really like him. on 01-16-2014 at 02:43 AM
I'm starting to realize that's how the bulk of the community is here. If you have the opposite
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Posted in thread: Looking for bubblegum flavors in hefe. on 01-16-2014 at 12:55 AM
You know, now that I think about it.. Aren't Centennial hops sometimes perceived as bubblegum
or fruit loops?
Posted in thread: MrMalty. I don't really like him. on 01-15-2014 at 11:41 PM
The comments towards Arclight aren't your concern. He's going after me in another post and
followed me here, so it's a culmination of two issues..Secondly, I didn't misphrase or misquote
anything you ...
Posted in thread: MrMalty. I don't really like him. on 01-15-2014 at 11:02 PM
You didn't say anything about the ibus being off, i did..I meant exactly what I said. You
should work on your reading comprehension. So far, in two different threads, you've tried to
attack me. Before...
Posted in thread: Biab fwh on 01-15-2014 at 08:35 PM
The longer hops boil, the more bitterness is extracted. That is pretty universally accepted.
Daniels references that fact in Figure 9.4 of chapter 9 in Designing Great Beers. Logically
speaking, to ca...
Posted in thread: Biab fwh on 01-15-2014 at 08:27 PM
You are the one who started arguing with me and you have provided no quotes. I provided a link
to the article you spoke about. I think you're the one misunderstanding what you read.. You
don't have an...
Posted in thread: MrMalty. I don't really like him. on 01-15-2014 at 07:40 PM
The fact that the IBU's are off in that book is well known Arc. But, once again, you will get
proved wrong...Google 'IBU's off on brewing classic styles'. It's widely reported. In the
beginning, they ...
Posted in thread: Biab fwh on 01-15-2014 at 07:17 PM
You should re read what Ray Daniels wrote, because you didn't retain it.It's funny you
challenge me to do an experiment that you haven't done, assuming I haven't tasted beers that
are very similar wit...
Posted in thread: Biab fwh on 01-15-2014 at 02:27 PM
>> FWH don't add flavor or aroma. They add bittering. That's not correct. They wont add aroma
because the volatile aromatic compounds will be boiled off, but they certainly add flavor since
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