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Until recently, U.S. offerors and others had to make offerings of EB-5 project investments solely offshore in order to benefit from Regulation S, an exclusion from registration requirements. The offerors had to exclude foreign nationals who were resident in the United States from participation in the project because, under Regulation S, no directed selling efforts could occur in the United States. The separate exemptions that permitted offers to be made in the United States were extremely restrictive, only permitting the issuer, absent costly SEC registration, to make offers to investors that had a pre-existing relationship with the issuer or its placement agent.
New Rule 506(c) permits issuers to make general solicitations in the United States, subject to a number of requirements summarized below. Rule 506(c) states that an offering made pursuant thereto should not be subject to integration with a concurrent offering made pursuant to Regulation S. This means that while the limited partnership interests or other securities offered in the EB-5 transaction are being marketed offshore, those securities may be offered in the United States simultaneously in accordance with Rule 506(c) to those persons who wish to obtain permanent residency under the EB-5 program. As a result, at the same time the offshore solicitations are conducted in accordance with the requirements of Regulation S, a separate offering of the same securities may be made in the United States to prospective EB-5 investors in an offering meeting the requirements of Rule 506(c)
In general, Rule 506(c) permits an offering under Regulation D (a non-registered offering) to be made by means of advertising or general solicitation, including:
There are a number of requirements applicable to the Rule 506(c) offering that are not requirements of a compliant Regulation S offering. Appendix A provides a high level summary of the requirements of a Rule 506(c), three of which are newly promulgated:
The investors in an EB-5 offering will generally be natural persons who are not citizens or permanent residents of the United States. A natural person is an accredited investor if either:
In addition to the requirement that all investors whose subscriptions are accepted in the Rule 506(c) offering must be accredited investors, the issuer is also required to be able to document that it took "reasonable care under the circumstances" to verify that each investor in the Rule 506(c) offering whose subscription is accepted is an accredited investor.
The SEC has stated that the reasonableness of the steps taken to verify that a prospective investor is an accredited investor is affected by:
The SEC has provided certain non-exclusive, safe harbors to satisfy the requirement of reasonable steps to verify the accredited investor status of a natural person seeking to invest in a Rule 506(c) offering:
Generally, for EB-5 investors, U.S. tax returns will not be available, nor will U.S. consumer reporting agencies have information concerning the individual's liabilities. Therefore, either the investor will have to supply third party verification of the type mentioned, or the verification process will have to occur outside any safe harbor.
We anticipate that third party service providers will develop best practices to gather information concerning investors that are citizens of countries other than the United States to satisfy the "reasonable care under the circumstances" requirement. When making an EB-5 offering that has a Rule 506(c) component, it may be useful to retain a professional services firm to conduct the review process, prepare a report to the issuer setting forth the procedures used, to verify whether the prospective investors are all accredited investors, and to set forth the data obtained from each investor that is a verified accredited investor. Privacy laws apply to such data, and the issuer and service provider will need to have in effect, and comply with, an appropriate privacy policy.
The Dodd Frank Act mandated disqualification of offers from reliance on Rule 506 (including Rule 506(b) and Rule 506(c)) if any Covered Person had a Bad Act Event. The final rules provide that a Bad Act Event of a Covered Person prior to September 23, 2013 must be disclosed but otherwise is not a show-stopper, while the existence of a Bad Act Event of a Covered Person after September 22, 2013 makes Rule 506(c) inapplicable to the offering.
The burden is on the issuer to take "reasonable care under the circumstances" to determine who are its Covered Persons and whether any of the Covered Persons have a Bad Act Event, and when it occurred. Again, we anticipate that issuers may utilize a knowledgeable external service professional on the team to handle this issue, conduct interviews, collect questionnaires, perform record searches in the appropriate jurisdictions, and prepare a report to the issuer to satisfy the requirement.
Covered Persons include:
Bad Act Events include certain:
Nothing is required to be filed with the SEC in connection with the concurrent Regulation S offering, but the SEC has proposed expanded requirements for filing in connection with a 506(c) offering. According to the proposal, 15 days prior to the first use of any general solicitation, the issuer must file with the SEC a Form D that furnishes the SEC with copies of the general solicitation materials. The issuer must update the Form D filing at various times through the conclusion of the offering. You should confer with counsel to ensure all required filings are made as there are penalties for failure to comply.
In the case of both Rule 506(c) offerings, which by their terms are made to accredited investors only, and Regulation S, no particular form of prospectus is mandated, but the anti-fraud provisions of the U.S. securities laws apply to all U.S. issuers. Accordingly, the disclosure to both offshore investors and the accredited investors responding to directed selling efforts in the United States pursuant to Rule 506(c) should:
This guidance must be followed not only in preparing your offering circular, but also in your general solicitation materials and electronic media, including websites and social media.
Issuers of securities should provide investors with a written offering circular that states fairly the nature of the project that the issuer plans to develop, the risks of execution, and information concerning the securities offered. An offering circular should contain the major items found in a prospectus, provided that there are no requirements that properly presented financial statements be audited. Note the requirement to include disclosure of any Bad Act Events prior to September 23, 2013 by any Covered Persons.
Especially in connection with Regulation S offerings, where offshore selling agents and referral sources will assist in the distribution, it is important to state prominently in your offering circular that it is the only authorized disclosure document and that investors should not rely upon anything you did not provide directly. Also, the investor's subscription agreement should contain provisions confirming that investors have not relied on any statements not contained in the offering circular you provided to them.
Appendix A
SUMMARY OF REQUIREMENTS FOR RULE 506(c) OFFERING
ACCREDITED INVESTORS ONLY. All of the investors must be Accredited Investors.
REASONABLE STEPS TO VERIFY. You must not only achieve the result that all of the accepted subscribers in your Rule 506(c) offering are Accredited Investors, but also document how you took reasonable steps to determine all investors were Accredited Investors and retain the documentation following the offering. What steps are considered reasonable will depend on the facts and circumstances. In consultation with your counsel, you will need to decide what steps to take in your case.
In cases where entities wish to invest, verification will vary based on the nature of the entity.
Issuers are responsible for complying with privacy laws in holding and maintaining this information. If you want to use a third party to verify any information, you will need to take steps to make sure they are set up to handle confidential and private information and enter into an appropriate agreement before you supply them the private information.
NO INTEGRATION WITH OFFERINGS THAT HAVE NON-ACCREDITED INVESTORS. Generally, offerings completed more than six months prior to the first sale in the Rule 506(c) offering or more than six months after the last sale in the Rule 506(c) offering that included one or more non-accredited investors, will not taint the 506(c) offering. Also, sales to offshore investors in compliance with Regulation S will not taint the Rule 506(c) offering even if those offshore investors are not Accredited Investors.
INFORMATION REQUIREMENTS. You must not violate the anti-fraud rules by making misstatements or omissions. You will generally want to address the major items that would be included in a prospectus with the exception that your company financial statements need not be audited. You need to keep your website, social media, and other communications free of material misstatements or omissions. Consider limiting your spokespersons or administrators on all of these other outlets to persons who are also completely familiar with your offering materials and who understand disclosure requirements.
LIMITATIONS ON RESALE. The certificates for the securities issued in the offering must be legended and the communications to investors and subscription documents must state that the securities purchased in the Rule 506(c) offering may not be resold without compliance with some applicable exemption.
NOTICE FILING WITH SEC. Currently, the normal post-commencement Form D filing regime is in effect. Under the SEC proposed rule, Form D with information about the offering, and submission of general solicitations materials used in the offering, must be filed with the SEC 15 days prior to the first general solicitation and then at specified intervals thereafter. Under the SEC proposed rule, failure to comply carries a penalty prohibiting further 506(c) offering activity for 12 months.
STATE FILINGS. Various states have a requirement that a notice be filed and a fee paid prior to making offers to residents of that state. So either the offering will by its terms exclude residents of certain states, or the filings and payment of the fees will need to be timely made in those states. You should get a survey of the state requirements as to cost and timing of these filings before making your first general solicitation.
REGISTRATION AS A BROKER-DEALER. If any of your team, or a third party in the United States, is paid commission or compensation for the sale of securities (check and comply with offshore jurisdictions rules, as applicable), they must be registered as a Broker-Dealer. State laws vary on what activities require "issuer dealer" registration and must also be surveyed and considered with your counsel.
NO BAD ACTORS. If any of your officers, directors, 20 percent or more shareholders, promoters, placement agents, or brokers for the offering or certain others associated with your offerings have certain criminal convictions, injunctive orders, disciplinary orders, cease and desist orders, suspensions, bar orders, or stop orders, as set forth in the Rules, that occurred after September 23, 2013, you are not eligible to do a Rule 506(c) offering. You must make disclosures of any such Bad Act Events of Covered Persons that occurred prior to September 23, 2013. You must take reasonable steps (and document them) to make sure there are no "bad actors" associated with your company or the offering.
STRICT COMPLIANCE. Persons relying on Regulation D exemptions other than Rule 506(c) may have fallback exemptions under Section 4(2) or otherwise that will not be available with respect to an offering involving general solicitation. Therefore, it is very important that you ensure strict adherence and compliance with the satisfaction of every requirement.
Appendix B
Regulation S provides an exclusion from U.S. securities laws, of among other things, offerings made to a non-U.S. person in an offshore transaction.
A U.S. person cannot be a purchaser in a Regulation S offering. U.S. persons include:
(i) any natural person resident in the United States of America, its territories and possessions ("U.S.");
(ii) any partnership or corporation organized or incorporated under the laws of the United States;
(iii) any estate of which any executor or administrator is a U.S. person;
(iv) trust of which any trustee is a U.S. person;
(v) agency or branch of a foreign entity located in the United States;
(vi) non-discretionary account or similar account (other than an estate or trust) held by a dealer or other fiduciary for the benefit or account of a U.S. person;
(vii) any discretionary account or similar account (other than an estate or trust) held by a dealer or other fiduciary organized, incorporated, or (if an individual) resident of the United States; and
(viii) any partnership or corporation if (i) organized or incorporated under the laws of any foreign jurisdiction and (ii) formed by a U.S. person principally for the purpose of investing in securities not registered under the Securities Act, unless it is organized or incorporated, and owned, by accredited investors (as defined in Rule 501(a) of Regulation D promulgated under the Securities Act) who are not natural persons, estates or trusts.
Offers should be made outside the United States. No directed selling efforts can be made in the United States as part of the Regulation S offering. (Visits to inspect the project or meet the management team and professionals by an investor solicited through selling efforts offshore are permitted). Directed sales inside the United States would instead be made under the auspices of the concurrent Rule 506(c) offering and comply with the requirements of that Rule.
Generally, in the category of an EB-5 offering, investors understand that they must hold the investment for a long period of time. The Regulation S provides that the resale of securities issued by a domestic non-public issuer must be restricted from resale to U.S. persons for at least one year.
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DISCLAIMER: Because of the generality of this update, the information provided herein may not be applicable in all situations and should not be acted upon without specific legal advice based on particular situations.
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Tom Garrett 4 years, 5 months ago
We have a problem with Congress. Well, not will all of Congress, just with the GOP portion of the House.
Yesterday, Republicans and Democrats in the Senate agreed to extend the current tax rates for 98% of all Americans.
What that means is that the average family of four will pay about what it paid last year.
However, House Republicans have stalled the bill. Why? They want the wealthiest 2% of the nation to be included.
What will it cost you if the extension does not go through? It will cost the average family an extra $2,200. I don't know how much you make, but you can make a judgment based on that. One way or another, you WILL be paying more taxes than you have paid for the last ten years if the extension is not approved.
A fair question is where the cut-off line is. The answer is that House Republicans want to continue to give a tax cut to people who are being taxed on a quarter of a million dollars a year of "taxable" income. The trouble is, that's not the same as saying that they only pocketed a quarter of a million dollars. For one thing, investment income is exempt, as are many other forms of income. So you may only be reporting a quarter of a million in income, but you may be making a whole lot more.
My opinion?
The Senate is on the right track.
Why do I say that? Because I'm a flat tax guy, someone who says that if we just counted everything a person made as income, and taxed everyone at an equal rate, we'd do very well, but as long as the wealthiest 2% of Americans want to keep all their exemptions they have to expect the tax rate to be adjusted so that they are carrying a share of the load. The idea of billionaires paying $10,000 a year in taxes because of the over 180 tax loopholes is obscene.
The bottom line: Unless you, personally, want to pay more income tax, call your representative and tell him you want that extension approved.
No delays. No rhetoric. No posturing.
Just get the %$#@! job done.!!
Dan Haapala 4 years, 5 months ago
Tom, with all do respect, the wealthiest 2% of Americans are already paying more than 70% of the taxes. It's a fact. I agree a flat tax is the answer. The bottom feeders in America don't want to hear it because they currently don't pay tax. Having said that, I'll switch gears and say, this class warfare has to end.
It's easy to say...He has money and I don't. It's easy to say...I work hard but I don't see him working at all. When the "Unions" started telling us the fat cats were cheating and taking profits that belonged to us, "They LIED." The American system of profit has always been a bottom up system not a top down one.
When John agrees to go to work for a "lumber mill" for an agreed upon wage, he goes to work. He does his job so that the company can harvest the lumber and make a profit in order to stay in business. John says I'll work hard for $X an hour. The company says that will work. At the end of the week John gets a paycheck, he pays his bills and has a little left over. The company has made a profit that they can reinvest in the company, but it doesn't end there.
Dan Haapala 4 years, 5 months ago
John takes his paycheck to the bank and deposits it. He goes home and says we have money to pay the bills and buy groceries. John pays the rent, buys his family food, and spends some on clothes and other items. But it doesn't end there....When Johns check buys a can of beans, the grocer says great, I need to buy some more beans, so he calls the wharehouse and says " I need some more beans", the wharehouse says great and calls the supplier and says 'I sold all the beans and need some more' and supplier says great I'll get some more and they call the farmer and say I've sold all my beans you have to grow some more......I don't know why everyone doesn't understand this.
Somewhere in IOWA there is a farm that understands perfectly well what I'm saying. They can work their you know what off but until something is sold.....nothing happens. It doesn't matter whether or not there is a road or a bridge or a government grant or loan. Everything in the American Economy begins with a seller and a buyer and if you doubt that....see what happens if everyone stops buying because they have no money to spend, because they don't have a job and an income. The company that employed them can't afford to keep them employed because there is no profit and therefore no reason to stay in business, and .......The Government who believes they step in and fix it, doesn't have any money coming in because no one is working and paying taxes. Did I miss something?
Tom Garrett 4 years, 5 months ago
Those who want us to believe all you just said are very clever, but a few hours spent researching original sources, not political websites, shows a very different picture.
Take the 2% thing.
It is clever way of lumping together small business people and the ultra rich. There is no way that should be done. There is no reason why some hard working businessman making--say--$250,000 in actual taxable income should be lumped in at the same tax rate with the one tenth of one percent of all working Americans who swallow up two thirds of every dollar made in this nation.
Consider these real, verifiable numbers (just go to the federal government files to see them).
As a nation we make about $15 trillion a year, a verifiable number.
Out of that $15 trillion a year, $10 trillion goes to just 1 million earners, a verifiable number.
The other $5 trillion is shared by all 143 million other earners, a verifiable number.
What that means is that one tenth of one percent of all earning people in this nation pocket two out of every three dollars we make, and the other 99.9% of us have to do with the other dollar.
That is obvious wrong, but the ultra rich try to hide that fact by lumping their one tenth of one percent in with the hard working honest business people who make over $250,000 a year. That's smoke and mirrors. How is it right that some guy who owns a business here in Payson, who works day and night sweating over the numbers, and employs people who make a decent wage working for him...how is is right that he be lumped in with some CEO who is taking in $143,000,000 a year from the corporation he is looting?
Dan, that is wrong. We need to separate out the honest, hard working wage earner, and the equally honest, hard working small businessman, from the blood sucking leaches who are turning our corporations into their private cash cows.
One tenth of one percent of all earners taking in two out of every three dollar made in this nation? How can that possibly be right?
The only way we are going to beat that is to force Congress to separate out those who are bleeding this nation dry from those who are making a fair wage or a fair amount from their businesses. Once we let Congress know we are NOT going to allow the extension of the tax cuts for the upper 2% they will have to come back and put some reality into our tax system.
The goal, if we can't get a flat tax, it to tax the pants off anyone who thinks he can sit in an office and loot the corporation he works for. What we have to do is keep a fair and reasonable tax rate for those who earn a reasonable living. And bash those who are destroying America by looting the major corporations which employ so many of our people.
We start by refusing to allow Congress to extend the tax break for the upper 2%.
Then we separate out the people who deserve that tax break (the small businessmen) and give it only to them, but not to the corporate leeches.
Ed Smith 4 years, 5 months ago
Unfortunately, I have to challenge the initial assumption of the need for an income tax. John and the lumber mill owner agree on a contract. John provides labor in return for a wage from the owner. This wage is the fruit of John's effort. The government decides it wants a bite of that fruit. It uses the only tool in its arsenal to secure that pound of flesh...force. If you or I took the fruit of another's labor by use of force it would be called robbery. When the government does it, it's called income taxation. How did the government secure funding before the passage of the 16th Amendment in 1913?
Dan Haapala 4 years, 5 months ago
Okay, let's say we are not going to be about class warfare. The Incomes of americans vary and it depends on what they have invested in their abilitiy to produce. Is that a wrong statement? awaiting a response.
Regardless of the response, It is my belief that our founding fathers expected that citizens would be willing to pay for the services that a 'collective government' could provide, as long as everyone contributed. Is this a wrong assumption?
A Government 'of,by and for' the people' would expect everyone to contribute, wouldn't it?
Now, understand this, the day the Federal government decided to use the treasury to help a citizen in need!!!!!!! was the day our Republic died. It happened in Congress before the battle of the Alamo, It happened under the watch of an American hero Davy Crockett. Read the book, 'the life and times of Davy Crockett'
Here is my challenge to the risk of the believers of a political party.
Show me one example where the party of your faith, did one thing to promote the general welfare (for everyone) without spending your tax dollars, and never spending their own.
Tom Garrett 4 years, 5 months ago
I like the way you put things, but I feel that income tax--done fairly--is the only tax we should have. Other taxes trouble me. Property tax, for example, which seems like a punishment for being frugal and not spending every nickel you get. I believe that things like property taxes derive from the day when we taxed the lords and ladies because they were the only ones with money. And a tax on tobacco to force people who want to do something that is not good for them to become saints? Or a sales tax on gasoline that continues the inflationary spiral decade after decade? I think of it this way; what could possibly be wrong with each of us paying into the pot according to what this great land of ours has enabled him to earn? No other taxes. Just that.
"The Incomes of americans vary and it depends on what they have invested in their abilitiy to produce. Is that a wrong statement? awaiting a response."
As long as there is no collusion between government and business, I would agree--with one tiny caveat. It doesn't change the basic idea, but people are also limited in what they can earn by what they were born with. You and I have been lucky, but we didn't earn the ability to think and work; they were inherited in our genes. Doesn't change the basic idea, but we have to keep that in mind at times (your friend at Safeway; see what I am saying?.
"Regardless of the response, It is my belief that our founding fathers expected that citizens would be willing to pay for the services that a 'collective government' could provide, as long as everyone contributed. Is this a wrong assumption?"
"A Government 'of,by and for' the people' would expect everyone to contribute, wouldn't it?"
"Now, understand this...."
There is where we part company, Dan. If we assume that the people is "us," then we have a God given right to aid those who need our help. The only question becomes of one simple human justice: Did the person we are helping earn our help? If the answer is yes, then we may, if we wish, help.
What is wrong is when political parties use welfare as a tool for reelections. It is then that the system gets twisted into something beyond what is fair and proper.
You know something, Dan? I think I have finally come to hate political parties. I hate nothing else; I seem to be unable to hate. But when I see what the parties have done to this nation it breaks my heart. They have stolen it away from us.
Hate. That's a hard thought. Maybe not hate. I cannot find it in my heart not to forgive anyone. But--help me out someone--there must be a word for what I feel about what has become of our Great Experiment. Surely the experiment isn't a failure? How could it be? The rule of law instead of the rule of privilege just seems so right.
Ah, well, You tell me.
Dan Haapala 4 years, 5 months ago
Exasperation! Tom, those who would control us are doing all they can to divide us. The party of " we have heart and want to help" uses the money of " we work hard and want to contribute" and the end result is our government has created a dependency upon the government. I give where I can to help those who need. I believe most Americans do as well. The difference between the two major parties has become very clear to me. One says, 'I see a wrong and I want it right. I want everyone to agree so I'm going to make it a law so that everyone must do right." The other party says, ' I see where some want things to be the way they want them to be but a lot of people don't agree, so I'm not going to agree that a law should make them behave.'
The governed are us. Those that govern are given the right by us. The government doesn't tell us how to live, we tell the governors what we want. Is that a clear enough statement of America?
Tom Garrett 4 years, 5 months ago
When the governed and the governors are one and the same, things will once again be right.
"Tom, those who would control us are doing all they can to divide us."
And our response has to be to divide ourselves, but not from each other, from those who would divide us.
It's not that we have "allowed" ourselves to be controlled, but that those who want to control us have forced control upon us--bit by bit. We have now reached the point where the system is rigged to keep things as they are, one party offering us a small part of what we have earned and paid in as taxes as a reward, and the other party screaming that we should have kept our money in the first place, but taking it away by looting us through high interest rates and charges, high prices, and depressed wages. And so the people in both parties live off our hard work, enjoying the fruits of our labor and telling us not just what we should be, and should do, but how we should think about being robbed, either by high taxes or by high prices.
The enemy is the parties. They must go. It is the only solution.
Think of an America like this:
A man or woman wants to be in office. He or she gathers as many signatures as needed to be on the ballot. As many people as can do that run for any given office. Candidates talk to us about what they want to do and what they believe, but they speak as individuals, not as part of any group. We listen to what they say and choose among them.
This is what we still have at the local level. It is not perfect, but it is probably as perfect as a democratic republic will ever get. It works. The people we elect are answerable to the people, and if they break they promises they are either removed or not reelected. Discussion of changes are more or less made in the open, not behind the closed doors of committees. The rules guiding meetings are simple and obvious. By and large, unless the state or the federal government interferes, we are reasonably satisfied with our form of local government.
Contrast that--very quickly--with what we have in Washington:
Every thought, every word spoken or written, every law passed, every amendment to every law, is scanned up and down according to party wishes. The question of whether or not something will be done is not a question of whether or not the people want it, or need it, or approve of it, but whether it will help to either (D) control the people by making them dependents of the state or will (R) control them by appearing to fight for their rights while actually ignoring them and looting the nation.
Now, take away the parties. Which of those two situations is more likely to exist? What we have in local government or what we have in Washington?
Get rid of political parties. Make each legislator a party of one.
Pat Randall 4 years, 5 months ago
What is so great about our local govt??
Ed Smith 4 years, 5 months ago
Dan, Two points you posit are right on the money, if I understand you correctly. First, redistribution of wealth to the needy has no place in our Republic. Whether the needy be the poor or corporations, the wealth is extracted by force from one party and given to another deemed fit by those wielding government's gun. Robbery plain and simple. Secondly, the Democrats and Republicans are opposite wings on the same bird of prey. The prey is us. Divide and conquer is the most effective strategy to rule over a populace. Ever wonder why we are constantly told a vote for a third party candidate is a wasted vote? It would ruin the two-party monopoly on power.
Tom, I agree. Property tax, gas tax, sin tax, and all the other myriad taxes do not belong in a free society. Perhaps your proposed single tax idea would come in the form of a bill with a base fee to cover common defense and the court system and then check boxes for other things you wish to support such as food stamps or other programs for the less fortunate. My feeling, though, is that these programs would run much more efficiently and effectively on private, local level.
Dan and Tom, Before ratification of the 16th Amendment, income tax was unconstitutional and, therefore, illegal because it is a direct tax. Direct taxation was one of the reasons the Founding Fathers fought the Revolutionary War in the first place. By the way, a heavy and progressive income tax is the 2nd plank of the Communist Manifesto.
Voluntary participation in helping others is the only way.
Morality cannot be legislated.
Tom Garrett 4 years, 5 months ago
"What is so great about our local govt??"
It is directly responsive to the people.
"By the way, a heavy and progressive income tax is the 2nd plank of the Communist Manifesto."
I've always wondered how many people knew that.
As to direct taxation, the fear in the early days was that the burden of running the state would be shifted from the wealthy, where it was at that time, to the working class (there was no "middle class, per se). There was a fear, which I find interesting, that if people were taxed directly--that is as individuals instead of on the property they held--it would lead to direct democracy. In other words that people would say, "Hey! I'm paying for this mess, so I'm going to run it."
It's odd, isn't it? Seeing our forebears as being just a bit undemocratic in that they feared to allow the "common people" to vote is hard to think about. If you read some of the writings of those days, our forebears come across as snobs (in 21st century thinking).
None of what I just said is meant as a criticism; just as a comment on the way thinking changes over time. We would, for example, go nuts if it were declared that only property owners could vote, but in those days nothing was thought of it. It was the way things were. One person to look at closely in the Madison notes is Gouverneur Morris; you'd hate the guy (he was a PA delegate).
Pat Randall 4 years, 5 months ago
Tom, In answer to my question, "what is so great about our local govt.?" you said, "it is directly responsive to the people." What people?
Have you seen the library in Payson? It was voted against by the people in Payson. Built anyway. That is not the only thing the people voted against and the town went right ahead with thier plans.
Ed Smith 4 years, 5 months ago
Indeed, Tom. It sometimes makes me cringe when I hear the 'Founding Fathers' used as if they were some monolithic entity that all shared the same view on how the laws should be written. Quite the contrary, in fact. Most don't know that Washington was actually the 15th 'President' following our independence. There were huge disagreements amongst our founding fathers regarding the form of government we should have. Hamilton wanted Washington to be king, for instance. As far as democracy goes, it's two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner. A fancy name for mob rules. In a constutional republic, the sheep has a gun. Addressing your despair regarding the state of our Great Experiment...sun goes up, sun goes down, empires rise and fall, all things have a cycle. Unfortunately, I believe we are witness to the decline of an empire. Can't say we weren't warned by people like Jefferson, Franklin and more recently Eisenhower with his mention of an industrial-military complex. Is that Nero I hear fiddling off in the distance?
Tom Garrett 4 years, 5 months ago
Right, Ed. Some of the anti-federalist papers I've read sound like letters to the editor that someone wrote last week.
There will always be disagreements among people. As long as they involve how to get something done that we all want done, that's fine. When it comes to deciding right and wrong according to the latest sound bite, we are in trouble. I'll never understand why people don't just look at the equity, honesty, and logic of issues.
Almost always, there are three questions that can asked that will tell you where to stand on an issue:
- Is it broken?
- Is it something that we should fix?
- Can we afford to fix it?
Let's take a couple of issues and see how that works.
Illegal aliens:
- Is the system of controlling immigration broken? Yes.
- Is it something that we should fix? Yes. If we have a system, it stands to reason that it should be one that works. Otherwise why have it?
- Can we afford to fix it? We can't afford NOT to fix it. If we sent the deserving majority of illegals home we would have full employment within two years, 20% of all crime would disappear, we could empty 1/5 of our prisons, the cost of education and medical care would plummet, and we could at last begin to make our Latino citizens feel as welcome as they are.
Tom Garrett 4 years, 5 months ago
- Is it broken? Yes. We are spending far too much money on safety measures that were not necessary in the past.
- Is it something that we should fix? Yes. We need to find the proximate cause of Muslim extremism and remove it. Islam is a religion of peace, with some of the same roots as Judaism and Christianity. We are far more alike than we are different. We should learn to benefit from our differences.
- Can we afford to fix it? Yes. The cause of the problem is twofold, and both can be "fixed." One cause we can remove very quickly and efficiently, and the other cause is plainly due to unjust beliefs which have been fostered as a means of eliminating the first cause. The first cause, the primary cause, is the continued occupation of Palestinian lands by Israel. The U. N. resolution that created Israel also created a Palestinian state, but that part of the resolution has been ignored, a result of the Cold War. We should withdraw all support from Israel, or at last let Israel know it will happen, until the Israeli government sits down, negotiates a fair and equitable solution, and puts it in place. The second part of the problem is an Arab extremist viewpoint and has nothing to do with Islam; it says that Israel does not have a right to exist because it lies in lands that were once Arab lands. That is a mistruth. The Middle East has always been a mix of ethnic and religious groups. The Palestinians themselves are 10% Christian. Iran is not an Arab land (aryan). Turkey is not an Arab land (a mix, a very proud people). Egypt is not an Arab land (a mix, still mostly descendants of pharaonic times) . We have to be very firm, letting everyone know that we will, if needed, fight for the right of Israel to exist, but telling Israel at the same time that we will cast them loose right now if they do not quit lying and dragging their feet while they occupy and build on more and more land that is not theirs. The solution will require each side to give up unreasonable demands, and to lose a little here and there, but we should make it clear that we are through fighting the same shadow war we have been fighting by remote control for 64 years.
Logic. You see? Telling the truth. Thinking it through. It works.
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... And if you do not like me so, To hell, my love, with you!
Dorothy Parker in her own words. Audio clips of Ms. Parker reading her own work in 1964, near the end of her life.
Newspaper Blackout Poems
Newspaper Blackout Poems "So much thrives on facsimile that when you see the real deal, it has none of the passion and feels like a desperate pose."
His gift survived it all
Today is the centenary of W.H. Auden, one of the greatest poets of the twentieth century. Why not commemorate it by attending one of the many events honoring the man and marking the day? Auden wrote about anything and everything; his poems addressed such topics as the advent of World War II ("September 1, 1939", which gained new resonance after 9/11), grief ("Funeral Blues", used to great effect in Four Weddings and a Funeral), physics ("After Reading a Child's Guide to Modern Physics"), commencement addresses ("Under Which Lyre: A Reactionary Tract for the Times") unrequited love ("The More Loving One"), and the way life goes on ("Musée des Beaux Arts"). [more inside]
This, no ballad of innocence
Carla Bruni puts poems by Emily Dickinson, W.B. Yeats, Dorothy Parker, Walter de la Mare, W.H. Auden, and Christina Rossetti to music. Listen. (via)
Pinsky sings songs of love
For each of the last three years, Robert Pinsky has collected a small set of Valentine's Day poems (and insightful analysis) around a particular theme - poems about love, poems against love, and poems about lust.
Roses are not always red
Asininity? Not just for poets, asininepoetry.com, just in time for St. Valentine's Day. A great place to waste a lot of time. You may want to wax poetic yourownself.
City Poems
On walls and pavements in cities around the world you may encounter poetry.
small poems in small booklets
POEMS-FOR-ALL "Small poems in small booklets half the size of a business card. A project of the 24th street irregular press, which cranks them out to be taken by the handful and scattered like seeds by those who want to see poetry grow in a barren cultural landscape." (via Ward 6)
The Ten Word Review
The Ten Word Review Review anything you like, but in ten words or less. For example:
A Scanner Darkly: Rotoscoping gives Keanu a soul. Shame he opens his mouth.
A Scanner Darkly: Rotoscoping gives Keanu a soul. Shame he opens his mouth.
"Run, you pigeons! It's Robert Frost!"
Dark Darker Darkest is an essay in this week's New Republic by Christopher Benfey on the newly published Notebooks of Robert Frost (here's a more conventional book review by Mark Ford in The Financial Times). Glyn Maxwell, a couple of years ago in the same publication, wrote a short article, Beautiful as He Did It, about Edward Thomas and his relationship with Frost. Should you want more direct contact with the famous poet, you can read Richard Poirier's 1960 interview with Frost that appeared in The Paris Review (pdf) or listen to him recite a few of his better known poems.
William Carlos Williams audio
William Carlos Williams audio 1 GB / 19 hours of the poet's lectures, interviews, poetry readings (mp3). Quite a resource at Pennsound.
Here, Bullet
Gorgeous means six bars on your cellphone, always.
Auf Der Walz.
Since the Middle Ages, German craftsmen have gone 'auf der Walz' (taken to the road) as part of a kind of working-pilgrimage that artisans make after completing an apprenticeship with a master craftsman. These travels are meant to teach them about work and life and takes precisely three years and one day; they are not allowed to return home before this time. The trip can take these young craftsmen and women (all must be under the age of 30) halfway around the world (and often does) and they are allowed only a small rucksack. Other than that, they can bring along their uniform (a simple black and white affair that almost defies description), their tools, undergarments, a sleeping bag, a book and their trademark walking stick.
Although today this is a dying tradition, and is often more traditionally known as being a Journeyman today, it still exists and has inspired some to write about the strage travellers they see on the road. Indeed, perhaps the most famous work this tradition inspired is Australian poet Banjo Patterson, whose work Walzing Matilda is believed to have been inspired by this fascinating yet waning custom.
Although today this is a dying tradition, and is often more traditionally known as being a Journeyman today, it still exists and has inspired some to write about the strage travellers they see on the road. Indeed, perhaps the most famous work this tradition inspired is Australian poet Banjo Patterson, whose work Walzing Matilda is believed to have been inspired by this fascinating yet waning custom.
Bill Moyers speech at West Point
Bill Moyers speech at West Point on "The Meaning of Freedom." I repeat: These are not palatable topics for soldiers about to go to war; I would like to speak of sweeter things. But freedom means we must face reality: "You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free." Free enough, surely, to think for yourselves about these breaches of contract that crudely undercut the traditions of an army of free men and women who have bound themselves voluntarily to serve the nation even unto death. Previously on MetaFilter: after 9/11, inequality, religion and democracy, the environment, right-wing media, public broadcasting. Wikipedia.
Let virtue be our soul's food.
121 years ago today Louis Riel was hanged. A lost poem he wrote for his jailer has a new home at the University of Saskatchewan.
You can also sing them to the "Gilligan's Island" theme song!
Interested in some explications of Emily Dickinson poems? Check this out. Biographical information on the Belle of Amherst.
Emily Dickinson Writing A Poem
One of only ten poems published during Emily Dickinson's lifetime, the poem beginning "Safe in their Alabaster Chambers" continues to be reproduced in conflicting versions. Emily Dickinson Writing a Poem lets us leaf through images of Dickinson's original manuscripts and correspondences concerning the poem. According to the site, this documents surrounding this poem offer "the only example of Emily Dickinson responding directly to another reader's advice." At one point, Dickinson apparently struggled to decide between at least three alternatives of the much-contested second verse. Also included is a history of the poem's early printings, providing an opportunity to note how many publications have ignored Dickinson's idiosyncratic punctuation.
Hook, Line, and Sestina
Fisher Poets You've heard of cowboy poetry, sure, but how about the verse of modern-day fishermen and women? Taking the Cowboy Poetry Gathering as their model, fisher poets have plunged into the celebration of occupational culture with their own annual festival in Astoria, Oregon. Get a glimpse into this difficult, dangerous, and unpredictable way of making a living through the work of Erin Frestad, Geno Leech, Toby Sullivan, and others. Listen to the sounds of the gathering on this piece from PRI's Here & Now, too.
Lord Byron, Seen Through the Eyes of a Friend
The Diary of John Cam Hobhouse. Hobhouse (Wiki) (1786-1869) was a close friend of George Gordon Byron, 6th Baron Byron, and "Hobby-O's" diary contains a vivid account of Hobhouse's friendship and travels with Byron. As editor Peter Cochran writes: "Educated at Westminster and Trinity College Cambridge, [Hobhouse] travelled east with Byron in 1809, was Best Man at Byron's wedding in 1815, travelled across Switzerland in Byron's company in 1816 after the separation, around Rome with Byron in 1817, and lived with Byron in Venice in the same year. He met Byron at Pisa again in 1822, after Byron's facetious poem on his imprisonment in Newgate, My Boy Hobby-O, had almost terminated their friendship. As a member of the London Greek Committee he encouraged Byron on his last journey in 1823; and had he insisted, Byron's memoirs would almost certainly not have been destroyed in 1824." (Memoirs which, in hindsight, are considered a "missing masterpiece.") Also read Hobhouse's account of Byron's funeral.
Leslie Scalapino, poet
"[M]y writing's not making a distinction between physical/muscular action and mind action or between events of history and minute events between people." -- Leslie Scalapino. Leslie Scalapino is an American poet associated with the language poetry movement. -- How2 Special Feature on Scalapino. -- Excerpt from The Forest is in the Euphrates River. -- Audio links to Scalapino reading from and discussing her work. -- Another audio link, to Scalapino reading from her book The Pearl. -- Excerpts from The Tango. -- Scalapino's Nov. 11 2006 reading at The Poetry Project in NYC. -- Scalapino is the daughter of controversial Berkeley scholar Robert Scalapino, who founded Berkeley's Institute for Asian Studies. -- Scalapino defends her father. -- Scalapino co-edited a volume of poets against the U.S. interventions in Afghanistan and Iraq. -- Scalapino's discussion of "relation of writing to events" with Judith Goldman.
Babbling Bobster Beatnik Poetry
His fog, his amphetamines and his pearls
Lofi shot off the monitor at the recent EMP exhibit, the entire footage of an Eat The Document outtake recently edited by Martin Scorcese for No Direction Home.
I don't entirely get the Chaplinesque--To paraphrase crunchland, Hey, Skeezix--it's a talkie...
Lofi shot off the monitor at the recent EMP exhibit, the entire footage of an Eat The Document outtake recently edited by Martin Scorcese for No Direction Home.
I don't entirely get the Chaplinesque--To paraphrase crunchland, Hey, Skeezix--it's a talkie...
New online archive of contemporary British poetry
"Welcome to the Archive of the Now. The Archive of the Now is an online and print repository of recordings, printed texts and manuscripts, focussing on innovative contemporary poetry being written or performed in Britain. It is part of the Brunel Centre for Contemporary Writing, at Brunel University in west London, UK. At present, the Archive consists of readings by 65 UK-based poets. This number will continue to grow, and includes newly commissioned, recently acquired and historical recordings."
Notes On Construction
Notes On Construction starts out simply-- as an editorial description of the binding process for spork magazine. Like many editorial columns, however, it tends to wander. Meanwhile, the meat of the mag, the fiction, the poetry, can be perused via the author index.
Text Etc. - the craft and theory of poetry
Text Etc. is a sprawling, highly engaging, nearly obsessive look at the craft and theory of poetry, including sound patterning, fractal criticism, poetry heresies, brief, clear intros to theorists like Bakhtin, Lacan and Foucault, writing instruction and much more.
Every wandering bark
Shakespeare's Sonnet 116: read firmly by Eleanor, skimmed through somewhat hurriedly by Megan, recited from memory by the cowboy hatted Bill, and delivered with a vaguely cockney accent by Will. There are others, as well.
From Albanian to Wayuunaiki, Arabic to Welsh
Lyrikline: A German site showcasing more than 300 international poets reading their work in 39 different languages.
Writing Mesostics Does Not Takes a Great OULIPO Faith
Mesostics. John Cage invented this form of inclusion/acrostic poetry. Some examples by John Cage: Raphael Mostel, Mark Tobey, Marcel Duchamp, and Erik Satie. You can create your own through an automated mesostomatic process. Even cabbies have gotten in on the act.
Free Poetry MP3s that don't suck!
In the late Seventies and Early Eighties, Dial-a-Poem put out recordings of William S. Burroughs, John Giorno, Sonic Youth, Cabaret Voltaire, Coil, Diamanda Galas, Anne Walderman, Charles Bukowski, Amiri Baraka, Gregory Corso, Phillip Glass, Patti Smith, and many many more. Apparently, the incredibly awesome Ubuweb has streaming mp3s of all twelve Dial-A-Poem releases here. Yay!
Romanes Eunt Domus.
After the Romans left Britain was divided into a number of Celtic kingdoms that fought with each other and, increasingly, with the Germanic invaders we know as "Anglo-Saxons." The most famous alleged defender of Celtic Britain, of course, is King Arthur, but he's more myth than history. What catches my imagination is The Gododdin (Welsh original, by Aneurin), an epic lament for the band of men who gathered at Eiddyn (Edinburgh, main town of Gododdin) around the year 600 and headed south for a last-ditch battle against the Saxons at Catraeth (probably Catterick in northern Yorkshire), where they were wiped out. One contingent was from Elmet (Elfed in the poem), a kingdom that had been holding the line against the invaders in what's now Yorkshire; once Elmet was conquered, there was no stopping them. And all of this history was basic to the poetry of David Jones, one of the best unknown poets of the previous century, and important to one of the best known, Ted Hughes (book with photos). "Men went to Catraeth, familiar with laughter. The old, the young, the strong, the weak."
If any question why we died/ Tell them, because our fathers lied
My Boy Jack. A heart wrenching story: "For Rudyard Kipling, the most famous author of the age, the carnage at Loos on the Western Front in September 1915 plunged him into inner darkness. His only son, John, for whom he had written his best-loved poem, If, had been killed in the action just six weeks after his 18th birthday." [more inside]
a cockroach who had been a free-verse poet in a previous life
Archy and mehitabel. Written by Don Marquis, illustrated by George Herriman. Aside from being a cockroach, Archy was also the reincarnation of a vers libre (free verse) poet. He made himself known to Marquis by jumping up and down on the keyboard all night, so the columnist would find his work the following morning. Once portrayed by Carol Channing. Recently annotated.
AN Wilson Is A Shit
Loathe as I am to add to the centennial ubiquity of the late laureate, I can't help but wonder: who is the Betjemaniac prankster Mme de Harben? And why does she think that biographer AN Wilson is a shit?
Orwell Redux
George Orwell né Eric Arthur Blair is probably best known to readers for his eerily prescient novels 1984 and Animal Farm. This comprehensive Orwell site betrays an erudite, complex, fascinating personality who wrote about a variety of subjects, from an exposition on British class relations affecting the art and practice of murder, to the complex moral compromises of Gandhi's practice of non-violent resistance, to the doublespeak-laden corruption of the English language as a telling reflection of a corrupt, brutal, post-WWII culture — and much, much more. This site also includes Russian translations of much of Orwell's work.
How do you solve a problem like Gerard Manley Hopkins?
The poetry of Gerard Manley Hopkins set to music. Demo list here. It's a pity they haven't adapted my favourite poem, Spring and Fall, although it's pretty exciting to hear Hopkins's poetry which I studied at school, presented in this format, especially since he was already trying to create a kind of music using the rhythms of the words. On a random note, featuring the vocal talents of Belinda Evans who was recently voted off the BBC's Saturday night tv extravaganza, How Do You Solve A Problem Like Maria?. Her blog is here. [via]
Are you a Winning Writer? Although the site is largely geared toward entering writing contests, there's quite a bit of po ems and short stories that have won various contests. You can also have your poetry critiqued or visit one of the websites for poets and writers. Some services, such as the poetry critique, are only available if you subscribe to their free newsletter.
It must be abstract. It must change. It must give pleasure.
Call the roller of big cigars,
The muscular one, and bid him whip
In kitchen cups concupiscent curds.
Let the wenches dawdle in such dress
As they are used to wear, and let the boys
Bring flowers in last month's newspapers.
Let be be finale of seem.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.
Take from the dresser of deal,
Lacking the three glass knobs, that sheet
On which she embroidered fantails once
And spread it so as to cover her face.
If her horny feet protrude, they come
To show how cold she is, and dumb.
Let the lamp affix its beam.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.
The muscular one, and bid him whip
In kitchen cups concupiscent curds.
Let the wenches dawdle in such dress
As they are used to wear, and let the boys
Bring flowers in last month's newspapers.
Let be be finale of seem.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.
Take from the dresser of deal,
Lacking the three glass knobs, that sheet
On which she embroidered fantails once
And spread it so as to cover her face.
If her horny feet protrude, they come
To show how cold she is, and dumb.
Let the lamp affix its beam.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.
"The idiots I work with all think I'm in love with someone, because I'm grinning, and because I drew hearts all over the backs of the order bags..."
Meet Gary Tivoli, Staples' Storage Media Aisle Specialist. "It's strange -- this morning, when I get up, I'm on the floor, halfway stuck underneath the bed, on the wall, with the mattress stacked over me. I don't even know where I am for a minute..." Providence, RI musician/producer Gavin Castleton and poet Cyrus Leddy recorded Tivoli's ramblings and then transformed them into a narrative album, backing his erratic but engaging storytelling with plush beats. Think "A Grand Don't Come For Free", except compelling and with much better music. (Via NPR's Open Mic)
How Deadly Was My Parsley
Holding up sprigs of parsley, Trujillo's men queried their prospective victims: What is this thing called? The terrified victim's fate lay in his pronunciation of the answer. Dominican dictator Rafael Trujillo spearheaded an anti-Haitian massacre in which armed thugs killed every Creole speaker who couldn't pronounce the trilled R in the Spanish word for parsley. (Using pronunciation to make ethnic distinctions is called a shibboleth, a tactic often used in wars.) The murders inspired Edwige Danticat's The Farming of Bones and Mario Vargas Llosa's Feast of the Goat, as well as a poem recited for Bill Clinton by poet laureate Rita Dove. Ironically, Trujillo's desire to "whiten" Hispaniola not only led him to order the 1937 massacre, but to lobby in 1938 for the settlement of Jews fleeing Hitler.
Saul Williams on Camera
Saul Williams on camera: Black Stacey [.ram, .asx, or YouTube], List of Demands [.ram, .asx, or original version at YouTube], Coded Language with DJ Krust [.asx or YouTube], and a formidable 16-minute spoken word clinic [Google video]. [NSFW language.]
Leonard Cohen reads his poetry on the Online NewsHour.
D.C. Afghan Cabdrivers' Poetry Conflict
There aren't many places in the United States that can count poetry societies run by Afghan cab drivers. Washington has two. And they don't like each other.
Think poetry slam, but speedwriting with instant playback and web doodads
QuickMuse is a cutting contest, a linguistic jam session, a series of on-the-fly compositions in which some great poets riff away on a randomly picked subject. via
God rains his love down on us every day
Red Boldface. The blog of world renowned aristocrat rebel Mike Topp, author of whimsical little ditties, disjointed lists (is there a better sort) and (sometimes) absurd poetry.
More Buk
Bukowski. Complementary to previous Hank.
It is my heart that's late, / it is my song that's flown.
A song has flown. Former Poet Laureate of the United States Stanley Kunitz has died at the age of 100. Through his work as a founding member of the Provincetown Fine Arts Work Center, a former judge for the Yale Series of Younger Poets, and through his own delicate words, he has left an indelible mark on the world of poetry.
Two dead boys got up to fight
"One Fine Day in the Middle of the Night" An example of nonsense?
Claudia Emerson wins pulitzer for poetry
Claudia Emerson, a Virginian poet and English professor, has won the 2006 Pulitzer prize for poetry for her book The Late Wife. Here is an interview from 2002, and here is a podcast of Professor Emerson reading from The Late Wife in 2005. Some of her poems: "Bone," "The Bat," more.
"All the untidy activity continues, / awful but cheerful."
A new book collecting unpublished poems of Elizabeth Bishop offers us unpolished views of work in progress, by one of the 20th century's greatest literary perfectionists. But in doing so, it raises again "An issue as old as the printed word: Is work that a writer chose not to publish during her lifetime fair game after she dies?" [more inside]


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Re: Unable to get 5.1 audio from Chromecast
I'm pretty sure there is something a bit buggy going on. I've had DD+ working on my receiver via Netflix & Chromecast and then the next day not working...then back to working again. I don't know if this is a Netflix bug or a Chromecast bug but something can cause this issue. For example, in the past few days my wife and I were watching Orange is the New Black. For two days, it only allowed me to select stereo audio and then yesterday it was suddenly working in DD+. Oddly, the DD+ Spanish language feed was available all along. Breaking Bad was working, then it wasn't, then it was again...all within a few days. I changed nothing about my setup or my casting device. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the people reporting problems are genuinely experiencing something buggy. What I'm unsure about is where the fault lies.
Generally speaking, it has worked nicely for me; although, the mix often feels like the center channel output volume is a tish on the low side. I use a cheap Denon AVR-1312.
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1. Start "The hunger games" with AVR off and confirmed that Netflix would stream fine but only provide stereo.This was expected since my TV doesn't do anything but stereo and is old.2. I then turned on the AVR so that it could take over with decoding and provide audio out. I still only got stereo audio.I really wasn't sure what to expect. but I kind of expected this.3. I stopped the move and restarted it. Still stereo audio onlyThis actually surprised me a bit. I would of expected a new stream to trigger the device a discovery of sort and get the 5.1 stream4. Stopped the movie, disconnected from the Chromecast, made sure Netflix was shut down on my Nexus 10, restarted Netflix, connected to the CC and started streaming again. Still only stereo audioThis was quite puzzling because everything was restarted except for the CC. The only thing of note is that the CC still had the netflix display on the TV.5. Open up Play Music and connected to the CC and streamed a few songs. This at least got the CC to stop whatever netflix had running. Once a song played I clicked on the cast icon in Play Music and selected "Disconnect." Now the CC was back to the "Ready to Cast" screen. I opened up Netflix set it to cast to my CC and selected Hunger games and ta da, back to DD+.Honestly this is just simply what I hopped would happen.
I repeated this a few times in slightly different manors and all of the results presented in the same manor
So clearly the CC can be tripped up putting out DD+ if something triggers stereo audio first while the Netflix piece is up. By chance do you have that pass-through functionality or something else going on. Either way next time that happens can you try casting from Play music for a few moments then disconnect and switch back. It seems to me that something in the Netflix piece on the CC may be the root of all this. Casting Netflix clearly triggers some app on the CC to load because the screen flashes a Netflix display on the TV and then changes to something else until you start streaming content.It also never went away until I would trigger another app to cast. Not even when disconnecting. So that could easily create a situation where it just keeps it hung on stereo for a long time with no reason.
The thing with the Spanish DD+ stream is just strange, and that would make me seriously look at Netflix because I am pretty sure the CC doesn't have anything to do with that.
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2. What devices are involved(model numbers if possible for research if needed)
3. What have you used to test casting ( what apps have you tried)
4. Is audio turned up on all devices including the tab or phone if that is what you are using to cast (i know it is basic, but i have so many times it is something simple that is missed that gets us)
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Some people who experienced similar problems resolved them by changing which HDMI port the chrome cast was plugged into. Try all the HDMI ports on your television
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I was unable to get any surround sound from Netflix a couple weeks ago when I tested it, but today I had surround on Ghost Protocol. I tried Dark of the Moon first which did not have surround. I have not tried any others yet toady. The strange thing is that I played around with this a couple weeks ago and played Ghost Protocol, but did not get surround. Any possibility that before I was limited based on the free month trial and today I just activated the 3 free months (after I joined with 1 free month) and there is something different about the subscription level?
My setup is Chromecast with extender plugged into this Amazon.com : ViewHD Premium HDMI to HDMI + Audio (sPDIF + RAC L/R) Audio Extractor | Converter (New 2013 Model) : Electronics and then my Onkyo TX-NR515 which supports Dolby Digital Plus. I need the analog audio breakout to provide analog input for zone 2 because most receivers do not support digital decoding for zone 2. I tried Chromecast with and without the adapter and either way it worked for surround in Ghost Protocol. The adapter is set to pass through the audio as opposed to forcing stereo or 5.1. My HTPC doesn't work for Netflix surround because it does not support Dolby Digital Plus. I power the Chromecast with the USB port on the receiver.
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I have been trying to get 5.1 audio from Chromecast for a week now since it showed up at my door. Until tonight when I noticed that I wasn't getting DTS or DD from my Sony Google TV either, I had dealt with this issue before so I knew exactly what to look at and sure enough under the HDMI menu on my Sony STR-DH800 Audio out was set to AMP+TV, in this mode it will only do PCM audio, something to do with HDCP. Anyway I switched the audio out back to AMP only, and I tried a 5.1 Title from Netflix. Low and behold the screen displays Dolby D + instead of PCM this time.
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I just watched a Netflix movie tonight via Chromecast in 5.1 Dolby. In the top right hand corner of the Netflix screen on my N7, there was the sound, closed captioning and subtitles choices. I simply
selected 5.1 Dolby and viola. Picture was quite amazing as well.
Chromecast is plugged into my a/v receiver.
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Re: Unable to get 5.1 audio from Chromecast
OK, so I'm having the same issue as everyone else. I have my Chromecast into my TV which does coax DD out to my Onkyo HT-R570. My Onkyo receiver is a little older and I think I remember that it won't decode Dolby through HDMI. With nothing casting (just the CC landscapes splash screen) my receiver says it sees Dolby D. As soon as I play Netflix or Plex, it immediately disappears and switches to virtual surround. This means it has to be getting a DD signal at some point right? I've played with all kinds of settings both on the TV and the receiver. Under the audio settings in Netflix it only shows stereo. With the CC plugged directly into the AVR, it never shows DD, even at the CC splash screen.
Just noticed that the receiver starts with the DD displaying from the TV even with the CC not plugged in :-/
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Your AVR has to support dolby Digital +. If it doesn't your best is going to be stereo or multi-channel LPCM. I have never seen the CC do plain old Dolby digital.
If your reciever can't do DD through HDMI that is a bad sign.
One thing that might save you is if the tv can decode the Dolby Digital + stream. That is generally on smart TV's though. If it can it can down covert to DD for your reciever.
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Re: Unable to get 5.1 audio from Chromecast
THINK problem has something to do with netflix/netflix app url/audio track selection logic.
Here are some steps and observations on my road to SUCCESS
1. connect chromecast properly to and fix settings on Dolby Digital+ capably output device (for me connected chromecast to Onkyo receiver set to "Direct" listening mode)
2. cast movie through Netflix app from Android phone. app audio options nor receiver display DD option. sounds normal
3.load Netflix in Chrome browser and cast. receiver switches over and now indicates DD+ audio
4. open Netflix app on Android device and reconnect it to currently casting movie. 5.1 audio is now selection (and active) in app.
5. test other streams and app now indicates (and defaults to) DD+ option when available
Re: Unable to get 5.1 audio from ChromecastI have been trying to get 5.1 audio from Chromecast for a week now since it showed up at my door. Until tonight when I noticed that I wasn't getting DTS or DD from my Sony Google TV either, I had dealt with this issue before so I knew exactly what to look at and sure enough under the HDMI menu on my Sony STR-DH800 Audio out was set to AMP+TV, in this mode it will only do PCM audio, something to do with HDCP. Anyway I switched the audio out back to AMP only, and I tried a 5.1 Title from Netflix. Low and behold the screen displays Dolby D + instead of PCM this time.
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Hi All,
Just a quick one, I'm also having issues with the whole Netflix and 5.1 issue. I have a Sony STR-DA2400ES Amp that supports DD+, however I've noticed that it only supports it through Optical not HDMI. My TV is old and defiantly doesn't support it. Can anyone recommend a way for the amp to see DD+ over HDMI or is there a spilitter type box I can buy to split HDMI in to HDMI Video out and Optical Audio out?
Re: Unable to get 5.1 audio from Chromecast
Hi, I had similar problems i.e no DD 5.1 (Let alone DD+) from my Chrome Cast. Solution was to plug directly into AMP instead of a HDMI port on TV. TV was outputting DD 5.1 audio fine to the AMP/Receiver using the optical cable when watching TV but it obviously couldn't passthrough the DD signal. All is good now tested Hunger Games and my Onkyo TX-SR805 is now displaying Dolby Digital + on the screen!!
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Going through the TV is certainly not optimal.
I got a new UHD TV that supports ARC that won't pass through of DD+. I was suprised because technically it has everything needed to support it. The best it will do is dolby digital 5.1. The sad part is it clearly can decode DD+, it just won't send it over the HDMI ARC connection. I was really disappointed to find this out.
I had to change how my HTPC is connected so I could continue to get HD Audio.
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I am also not getting any 5.1 from my chromecast
I have my CC plugged into my Denon s500bt. This reciever does support dd+. Most of the content I am playing is through plex, and I am certain it has either DTS or DD encoded surround sound. I have not had any luck getting this to work.
Reciever says it's a pcm signal with 48k something. It also will not let me put the reciever in a DD or DTS sound mode.
Any help would be greatly appreciated
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We have proposed an initial list of safeguards for the personnel system at the Department of Defense based on our extensive body of work looking at the performance management practices used by leading public sector organizations both in the United States and in other countries, as well as our own experiences at GAO in implementing a modern performance management system. These safeguards include: (1) assuring that the agency's performance management systems link to the agency's strategic plan, related goals, and desired outcomes, and result in meaningful distinctions in individual employee performance; (2) involving employees, their representatives, and other stakeholders in the design of the system, including having employees directly involved in validating any related competencies, as appropriate; (3) assuring that certain predecisional internal safeguards exist to help achieve the consistency, equity, nondiscrimination, and nonpoliticization of the performance management process; and (4) assuring reasonable transparency and appropriate accountability mechanisms in connection with the results of the performance management process. Leading organizations involve employees and unions in major changes such as redesigning work processes, changing work rules, or developing new job descriptions. Such involvement can avoid misunderstandings, speed implementation, and more expeditiously resolve problems that occur. We noted that DHS employees suggested having informal mechanisms in place to resolve issues before escalating them to the formal process. However we do not have a specific percentage to recommend for this provision. We have found that a key practice for successful transformations is to set implementation goals and establish a timeline to build momentum and show progress from day one. A transformation, such as the one being undertaken by DHS, is a substantial commitment that could take years before it is completed, and therefore must be carefully and closely managed. As a result, it is essential to establish and track implementation goals and establish a timeline to pinpoint performance shortfalls and gaps so that midcourse corrections can be made. We raised independence concerns about a separate panel to be created to hear appeals for mandatory removal offenses. Members of that panel are appointed by the DHS Secretary for three-year terms and may be removed by the Secretary "only for inefficiency, neglect of duty, or malfeasance." These appointment and removal procedures are identical to the appointment and removal provisions for the members of the proposed DHS Labor Relations Board.
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