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Tead Off wrote:show us the leaves.
Chasm wrote:Tead, where did you get the Jun Chiyabari 'Himalayan Orange'?
I was just looking at Rishi's Jun Chiyabari selection, wondering which to try.
Teasource had a Jun Chiyabari black some time way back, and I had bought a stock of it and stored it well. It wound up being one of my best tools in the neverending battle against dehydration during a long and severe gastrointestinal illness last spring. Now, of course, I'm almost out. I've been hoarding the last bit for when I'm sick.
ethan wrote:Re: Nepalese black tea
I have very limited experience w/ Himalayan tea; nonetheless, I comment: I had a difficult time w/ what is famous tea, single-estate darjeelings. My first couple of cups of Nepalese also displeased me -- too strong, like medicine, etc.
NowI think that tea from Nepal is a great value & delicious. The first flush is packed w/ strong flavors. At first this overwhelmed me, but I started using less than a teaspoon per cup (8 ounces) & steeped for no more than 3 1/2 minutes. I also steep in the 3 - 3 1/2 minute range for the other flushes, but I use a full teaspoon of tea per cup. Second flush is the tamest, but the flavors are there, just muted. Autumn flush falls between the others in power.
All offer a cup that satisfies. I don't have multiple-infusions tea sessions w/ these. I have a big cup drunk slowly & am feeling the effects for quite a long time. It wakes me up in the head & belly. The aroma of the tea when hot is very alluring, but I try not to rush into drinking because it is best lukewarm. The 3 teas that I am drinking now range in price from $3.90 to $6.90 for 100 grams, but I cannot detect better quality by price (nor between hand-rolled or not).
So, I mainly want to say that Nepal seems to have quality that is affordable. Shipping is expensive for small orders; so, I ordered quite a bit (I got 800 grams in all). I don't think I'll regret it.
I forgot to mention the astringency: This tea dries the mouth.


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New year marks 150 years since Emancipation Proclamation
To the editor:
Lost in all the current excitement about the "fiscal cliff" at the new year is an extraordinary anniversary marking one of the major thresholds of our history – President Abraham Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation.
On Jan. 1, 1863, some 3 million people held as slaves in the Confederate states were declared to be "forever free." Of course, it wasn't that simple. Most of those 3 million people were still subjugated until the Union Army triumphed more than two years later. And slavery was not abolished in the entire United States until after the 13th Amendment to the Constitution passed in 1865.
But that date marked a major turning point. It turned the Civil War into an official war against slavery, the issue that had so corrupted the very founding of our nation and gave lie to those famous words in the Declaration of Independence, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal …"
Lincoln's act was rooted in wartime necessity, to be sure. Those 3 million people represented an important human resource, as did free black men and women in the North. Eventually, some 200,000 blacks served in the Union Army and Navy, and helped to give the North an upper hand in the war.
However, there is no question that Lincoln's act was the result of what we would call today a grassroots citizens' campaign against slavery, a campaign that was waged in small towns and meeting houses and churches all over this country. The idea that ending slavery was the right thing to do didn't come without a struggle.
The struggle was carried out in Plattsburgh and Peru and Keeseville, in Jay and Keene and North Elba, in countless communities throughout the North Country, where individual people took a stand against slavery. It wasn't only John Brown and his sponsor Gerrit Smith, important as they were, who fought to bring about this moral revolution.
Wendell Lansing, crusading publisher of the Essex County Republican, Stephen Keese Smith and Samuel Keese, Underground Railroad leaders in Keeseville and Peru, Noadiah Moore of Champlain, who helped escapees near the Canadian border, and countless other North Country citizens advanced the cause of abolition. Women circulated petitions to Congress advocating abolishing slavery in the nation's capital; congregations debated whether to cut loose from churches that refused to condemn slavery.
And many families now forgotten to history risked arrest and imprisonment by helping former slaves escape into freedom, along the Champlain Line of the Underground Railroad, to Canada and to safe havens in the North Country and in Vermont. Many of those stories are now being told at the North Star Underground Railroad Museum at AuSable Chasm.
This 150th anniversary of the Emancipation Proclamation connects directly to our own history right here and demonstrates how it was that many people played a vital role in the struggle for freedom.
Peter Slocum
Volunteer and board member with the North Country Underground Railroad Historical Association, based in AuSable Chasm

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Ms. Nielsen's message has survived an entire century.
In the last photo, you'll see a young lady's tag from October 1909. It is slightly obscured by a modern billboard. In a few weeks, the advertisement will have changed. But Ms. Nielsen's tag will live on. I wonder if she could have imagined that her spontaneous scrawl would survive an entire century? Or be blogbeamed around the world?
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Andrássy út (Andrassy Street) is Budapest's finest avenue, leading from the center of Pest to the magnificent Hero's Square and the city park at the other end. Of the street's many notable buildings, number 60 is also the most notorious.
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John Lennon & A Dalek photo
This guy on his website says:
"There's a picture of John Lennon posing with a Dalek prop."
Does anyone know if this photo does exist? I have never seen or heard of such a photo. Have any of you? If so, would one of you be most kind to please post it in so we could see it? Two of my favourite interests: The Beatles and Doctor Who.


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A recent piece in The Washington Post by Lori Montgomery reports that conservative U.S. Congressman Paul Ryan has been working on solutions to poverty with Robert Woodson, solutions rooted in face-to-face compassion, spiritual transformation and neighborhood enterprise. The Post seems to want to praise Ryan (R. Wis.) for his interest in the poor, but to do so it first has to frame that interest as something foreign to conservatism:
Paul Ryan is ready to move beyond last year's failed presidential campaign and the budget committee chairmanship that has defined him to embark on an ambitious new project: Steering Republicans away from the angry, nativist inclinations of the tea party movement and toward the more inclusive vision of his mentor, the late Jack Kemp.
The Post's tendentious description of the tea party movement is contradicted by data laid out in Arthur Brooks' Gross National Happiness, which shows that conservatives, on average, give a significantly higher percentage of their income to charitable causes than liberals do.
In its defense, the article does have a poster child for its misleading stereotype of conservatism — Paul Ryan's 2012 presidential election running mate Mitt Romney, the multimillionaire caught on film writing off the bottom 47% of American earners as unreachable freeloaders who don't pay any taxes. But what Romney has to do with your rank and file tea party conservative is never made clear in the article.


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September's New Books on CD and MP3
The importance of being seven (BOOKS ON CD) -- The residents of 44 Scotland Street grapple with problems both trivial and severe, but none so great as when six-year-old Bertie Pollock--who longs to be seven--mislays his mum and learns a valuable lesson about wish fulfillment.
What the nanny saw (BOOKS ON CD) -- From the author of Friends, lovers and other indiscretions' comes a keenly observed, often comical chronicle of the urban wealthy elite, of parents who are often too busy to notice what is going on under their own noses, of children left to their own devices, and of a young nanny thrown into a role she doesn't know how to play.
Happier at home : kiss more, jump more, abandon a project, read Samuel Johnson, and my other experiments in the practice of everyday life (BOOKS ON CD/158.1 R) -- One Sunday afternoon, as she unloaded the dishwasher, Gretchen Rubin felt hit by a wave of homesickness. Homesick—why? She was standing right in her own kitchen. She felt homesick, she realized, with love for home itself. "Of all the elements of a happy life," she thought, "my home is the most important." In a flash, she decided to undertake a new happiness project, and this time, to focus on home.
King of thorns (BOOKS ON CD) -- After wresting back control of his kingdom from those who murdered his family, Jorg Ancrath sees the land erupt with hundreds of battles fought by lords and petty kings. More daunting still, he faces an enemy many times his own strength. Jorg may not be able to win this battle in a fair fight, but he wields a rage and cunning that just might even the odds.
Triburbia (BOOKS ON CD) -- Triburbia draws the lives of Tribeca's various residents, uncovering the deep betrayals they've committed against themselves and each other. Thrown together by circumstance, a group of fathers meet each morning at a local coffee shop after walking their children to their exclusive school. Over the course of a single year, we learn about their dreams deferred, their secrets and mishaps, their passions and hopes, as they confront terrible truths about ambition, wealth, and sex.
Crowded grave (BOOKS ON CD) -- Chief of Police Bruno Courrèges is up to his ears in trouble after a local archaeological dig unearths a corpse with a bullet in its head. Further complicating matters are a meddlesome local magistrate, animal rights activists, and a missing professor--not to mention two lovely ladies vying for Bruno's affections.


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Nutrition Facts
Serving Size 1/8 recipe
Calories 110
Calories from Fat 5
Total Fat 0 g
Saturated Fat 0 g
Cholesterol 0 mg
Sodium 130 mg
Total Carbohydrate 21 g
Dietary Fiber 6 g
Sugars 5 g
Proteins 6 g
Vitamin A 50% DV
Vitamin C 4% DV
Calcium 4% DV
Iron 10% DV
Percent Daily Values (DV) are based on a 2,000 calorie diet.
Servings and Times
Servings 8
Preparation Time 2 hours
Cups of Fruits and Vegetables Per Person: 1.0
Ingredients and Preparation
Ingredients Measures
Large dried lima beans 1 cup
Coarse pearl barley 3 tablespoon
Low-sodium vegetable broth 6 cups
Portabella mushrooms, sliced 2 cups
Onion, chopped 1 cup
Parsley, chopped 2 tablespoons
Celery, chopped ½ cup
Carrots, diced 1 cup
- Wash lima beans and barley separately in cold water. Drain, and transfer to a soup kettle.
- Add vegetable stock and remaining ingredients; cover and bring to a boil.
- Cook over low-medium heat until lima beans are soft, about 2 hours. Serve hot.


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2008 PARALYMPIC GAMES: U.S. Women's Goalball Team wins 2-0 Preliminaries against Denmark
The United States Women's Goalball Team wins their second preliminary game against Denmark with the score of 2-0.
The two goals were scored by Jennifer Armbruster, (Colorado Springs, Colo) the first goal was within the first 6 minutes of the first half of the game and the second goal was scored 17 minutes in the second half. The Us advances to play China 9 p.m. tomorrow.
"I am honored to be representing the U.S. and we hope to take home the gold medal, but all eight teams want to do the same thing," said Jennifer Armbruster (Colorado Springs, Colo), "our goal is to just take it one game at the time."
The 2008 Paralympic Women's Goalball competition still has preliminary games with Canada, China, Germany, and Sweden. So far, the silver medal 2004 U.S. Paralympic Women's Goalball Team has won both of their first two preliminary games. The top four teams after pool play advance to the semifinal and final rounds on Sept. 14.
For more information regarding the results:
The 2008 U.S. Paralympic Women's Goalball Team is stacked with veteran talent led by five-time Paralympian Jen Armbruster (Colorado Springs, Colo.). Three-time Paralympians Lisa Banta (Boonton, NJ) and Asya Miller (Lapeer, Mich.) will also add depth and experience to the team. Two time Paralympians Robin Theryoung (Colorado Springs, Colo.) and Jessica Lorenz (Berkley, Calif.) and first-time Paralympian Jackie Barnes (Wadsworth, Illinois) round out the group.
The coaching staff includes Ken Armbruster (Colorado Springs, Colo.) and Sharon Gunderman (Dubois, PA) with support staff including Gwyneth Short (Lakewood, Colo.) and Lou Tompson (Landrum, SC).
All games will be played at the Beijing Institute of Technology Gymnasium.
For more information or to arrange an athlete interview, please contact Amy Rohlfs at 13910754531 (if calling from the U.S., dial 011 86 plus the local number).


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Debates of Feb. 6th, 2013
House of Commons Hansard #205 of the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was pope.
- Question Period
- Tamil Heritage Month
- Chinese New Year
- Queen's Diamond Jubilee Medal
- Child Care
- School Closures
- Horseshoe Tavern
- Community Infrastructure
- Hockey Day in Canada
- Rehabilitation Residence
- Canada-India Trade
- Child Care
- Iran
- Child Care
- The Economy
- Employment Insurance
- Conservative Party of Canada
- Electoral Boundaries
- The Budget
- Electoral Boundaries
- International Trade
- The Environment
- Electoral Boundaries
- Ethics
- Electoral Boundaries
- International Trade
- Agriculture and Agri-Food
- Aboriginal Affairs
- Child Care
- Veterans
- Citizenship and Immigration
- Employment Insurance
- Canada Revenue Agency
- Employment Insurance
- Canadian Wheat Board
- Veterans Affairs
- Health
- International Co-operation
- Aboriginal Affairs
- Employment Insurance
- Agriculture and Agri-Food
- Points of Order
- Interparliamentary Delegations
- Petitions
- Questions on the Order Paper
- Motions for Papers
- Committees of the House
- Faster Removal of Foreign Criminals Act
- Business of Supply
- Pope John Paul II Day Act
- Canada Post Corporation
- Foreign Investment
- National Defence
Faster Removal of Foreign Criminals Act
Government Orders
3:55 p.m.
Jinny Sims Newton—North Delta, BC
Mr. Speaker, it is a pleasure to rise again to take part in this important debate.
As I mentioned at report stage, the New Democrats wanted to work across party lines to ensure the speedy removal of serious non-citizen criminals. To that end, I introduced nine reasonable amendments to the bill at committee to curb the excessive powers of the minister and restore some due process. However, they were all rejected by the Conservative majority.
I will give some examples because it would be instructive for the House to hear exactly what we dealt with.
With one amendment in particular, we proposed to do two very different things to limit the overly broad ministerial power to declare a foreign national inadmissible based on public policy considerations.
First, we suggested taking the minister's own guidelines, which he presented to the immigration committee, and codify them in the legislation word for word. When the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration visited us on October 24, he even suggested this approach when he said, "the committee may recommend that we codify these guidelines in the bill".
Second, and perhaps more important, the amendment introduced a new threshold for the exercise of this power. Specifically, the minister must have reason to believe that a foreign national would meet one of the listed requirements in the guidelines. Despite the minister suggesting this course of action, his Conservative MPs voted it down. We can see that they are not interested in working together to get a better result.
We also proposed as number of reasonable amendments to restore the ability of the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration to consider humanitarian and compassionate grounds. By rejecting these amendments, the best interests of children implicated in these cases will no longer be considered.
In its brief to the immigration committee, Amnesty International put its concerns this way:
Eliminating the possibility of humanitarian relief for these types of people runs afoul of international law. Denying individuals access to this process might result in them being sent to torture...or persecution.
The Canadian Council for Refugees pointed out that:
These inadmissibility sections...are extremely broad and catch people who have neither been charged with, nor convicted of, any crime, and who represent no security threat or danger to the public.
It is also worth pointing out that the TCRI, which represents 142 community organizations in Quebec that assist immigrants and refugees, submitted that:
—this complete exclusion of H and C considerations in these contexts is contrary to Canada's international obligations under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, which among other things provides protection of family rights and security of the person....it also violates Canada's obligations under the Convention on the Rights of the Child...
While we may agree that dangerous violent criminals should be removed from Canada as quickly as possible, we had hoped the Conservatives would also recognize that it was important to ensure the minister could still consider the protection of children in these cases. The amendments we moved would have helped dull one of the sharper and more mean-spirited edges of the bill.
The committee studying the bill heard a number of concerns about provisions in the bill that increased the penalty for inadmissibility for misrepresentation from two years to five years and precluded a foreign national from applying for permanent residency status in that period. In fact, many witnesses said that five years was overly punitive, especially when misrepresentation was made by inadvertent error.
In its submission, the Canadian Council for Refugees pointed out that a five-year inadmissibility was excessively harsh in cases of minor infractions when a person was acting under some form of duress. It offered two of many examples where this would be an unfair punishment: first, a woman who did not declare a husband or child because of social and family pressures, and sometimes fear; and second, an applicant who was not personally responsible for the misrepresentation because of an unscrupulous agent or even family member filling out the form for them.
It is the second case I find particularly troubling. I believe that we must make sure to punish those who are criminally misrepresenting themselves, not the victims of shady consultants.
While the CCR recommended that we simply delete this clause, once again, being the NDP, we proposed a moderate alternative. Our amendment created an exception for permanent residents and foreign nationals who are inadmissible for misrepresentation that is demonstrably unintentional. We thought that struck the right balance. Yet once again, there was no movement from the other side on this very reasonable change.
Much has been said in this House about the section in Bill C-43 that redefines serious criminality as a crime punishable by a term of imprisonment of at least six months, which has the effect of precluding access to an appeal. I want to make it very clear to my colleagues across the way that our major concern with these provisions is that they limit due process for permanent Canadian residents, many of whom have been here their whole lives and know nothing about the culture or language of the country to which they would be deported.
With all of this in mind, I moved an amendment at committee stage to mitigate some of the worst effects of this clause. The amendment did two things, which I will address separately.
First, I made a modest proposal that we exempt conditional sentences from the terms of imprisonment, thereby ensuring that convictions that are not as serious as more egregious crimes, as is the case with conditional sentencing, are not caught by the provision. This was a suggestion made by the Canadian Bar Association and others during their testimony to the immigration committee.
In fact, the national president of the Canadian Somali Congress told the committee that we should definitely make an exception for a conditional sentence versus jail. In its current form, the bill does not do that. There could be a situation where a permanent resident, facing jail time, may be sentenced by a judge, in the community's interest, to a conditional sentence due to the fact that the person is gainfully employed. Because of the nature of conditional sentences, conditional sentences take longer to fulfill. Ironically, that would actually lead to the capture of this person with this legislation, because it would exceed six months.
The second thing this amendment was intended to do was restore access to appeal for those convicted of crimes outside of Canada or for those who have committed acts outside Canada. I believe it is the Immigration Appeal Division that is the appropriate body to properly evaluate these cases.
We know that in many countries, simply being a member of the opposition party can get an individual charged and convicted of a serious crime. Due process to evaluate these cases is essential in a free and democratic country like Canada, another moderate NDP proposal struck down by the Conservatives.
The go-it-alone, ignore-all-experts approach of this government was on full display as the Conservatives voted down all the official opposition's very reasonable amendments. New Democrats wanted to work across party lines to ensure the speedy removal of serious, non-citizen criminals. However, the Conservatives did not want it to work that way, and they did not work with us to make this legislation better.
Canadians want this Parliament to work together, and they want us to work together in the public interest. Unfortunately, Conservatives refused an opportunity to do just that.
Once again, before I hear speeches about how much my colleagues and I love criminals, love people who are engaged in all kinds of crime and want to protect the criminals, let me make it very clear. We were clear at committee and have been every time we have spoken in this House: We are committed to expediting the process of deportation of serious criminals who put Canada and Canadians at risk. However, we cannot stand by while due process is missing, while so much power is enshrined in the hands of a minister and while we stand in contravention of not only the UN but possibly of our own charter as well.
Faster Removal of Foreign Criminals Act
Government Orders
4:05 p.m.
Calgary Southeast
Jason Kenney Minister of Citizenship
Mr. Speaker, I find the last point hilarious, because the member criticizes me all the time for not using discretionary powers more often. I am constantly lobbied. Do people see the MPs who gather around me every day after question period? They are asking me to exercise ministerial discretion, positive discretion. They want positive discretion used by the minister for folks they would like to see enter the country, but they do not want me to use negative discretion to ensure that, for example, anti-Semites and people who provoke violent homophobia cannot enter the country if they are otherwise admissible. We are just looking for a balance between ministerial discretion positively and negatively exercised.
The member once again raises this canard about limiting access to the humanitarian and compassionate applications, but she never mentions for whom. We are talking about people who are inadmissible for human or international rights violations, under section 35, for serious criminality, under section 36, and for organized criminality, under section 37.
I have a point-blank question for the member for Surrey. Does she believe that members of the Mafia should be able to apply to stay in Canada on humanitarian grounds? Does she believe that people like Léon Mugesera, who was responsible for inciting the Rwanda genocide, should get special humanitarian consideration, yes or no?
Faster Removal of Foreign Criminals Act
Government Orders
4:10 p.m.
Jinny Sims Newton—North Delta, BC
Mr. Speaker, the minister does have discretion, especially when we are looking at visa applications and things. Many of us go to him because we cannot understand the reason for rejection, in many cases, so we go to him for clarification.
What we are looking at in this piece of legislation is a concentration of power whereby the minister can deny entry to visit Canada to anybody based on public policy. Public policy pretty much captures the whole universe.
My respect for the minister rose when he came to committee, put out some principles, and said that he could live with them. He urged the committee to examine them and put them in at committee. Unfortunately, his colleagues did not even support him in that.
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Government Orders
4:10 p.m.
Kevin Lamoureux Winnipeg North, MB
Mr. Speaker, when the minister started off his opening remarks, he talked about the families having an option. If a family member breaks the law, the whole family can leave the country. That is what he is implying.
The minister might want to think about what it is I am saying. Imagine a family of three or four that immigrates from country X to Canada. They have been living in Canada for 15 or more years. A child who was three years old at the time is now 19 or 20. That individual commits a serious crime and ultimately has to serve seven months in jail. That individual is going to be deported if he or she did not receive citizenship. The minister's answer seems to be that the family can still stick together. All they have to do, all of them, is move back to the country of origin as a family unit.
Do you think this is an appropriate answer coming from a minister? Do you feel that this legislation would lead to families being broken apart?
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4:10 p.m.
The Acting Speaker Barry Devolin
I presume that the hon. member for Winnipeg North is not asking the Chair that question. I would remind all hon. members to refer to one another by riding names.
The hon. member for Newton--North Delta.
Faster Removal of Foreign Criminals Act
Government Orders
4:10 p.m.
Jinny Sims Newton—North Delta, BC
Mr. Speaker, a serious concern we have with this legislation is the fact that right now, anybody who gets a sentence of even six months can be deported, even today, under the current legislation. However, that person has a right to appeal. Before they did not have the right to appeal after two years. Now the threshold has been dropped to six months. What is being taken away by the bill is the right to appeal for those who receive a sentence of six months to up to two years. We have serious concerns around that and the lack of due process.
Punishing the whole family does not seem like natural justice to me. We have to look at the impact on the whole family. Sometimes the family may not even be aware of some of the crimes being committed by the individual.
Faster Removal of Foreign Criminals Act
Government Orders
4:10 p.m.
The Acting Speaker Barry Devolin
Before we resume debate, it is my duty, pursuant to Standing Order 38, to inform the House that the questions to be raised tonight at the time of adjournment are as follows: the hon. member for Nanaimo—Cowichan, the Canada Post Corporation; the hon. member for Vancouver Kingsway, Foreign Investment; and the hon. member for Abitibi—Témiscamingue, National Defence.
Faster Removal of Foreign Criminals Act
Government Orders
4:10 p.m.
Sadia Groguhé Saint-Lambert, QC
Mr. Speaker, thank you for giving me time to speak to this bill.
Last week, after introducing a bill notable for its repressive and primitive ideology, supporting its position with rare exceptions and rejecting the official opposition's amendments, the government imposed a time allocation motion to cut off debate on Bill C-43. This behaviour is unacceptable. Clearly, the government wanted to muzzle MPs who would have liked to talk about this bill.
I believe that it is our duty to condemn the government's attitude at all stages of the legislative process for Bill C-43. The government has been narrow-minded, its arguments demagogic, its ideology backward and its approach undemocratic.
Rather than listen to criticisms put forward by the official opposition, groups advocating for the rights of refugees, and immigration lawyers, the government chose to impose its will unilaterally at the expense of genuine democratic debate. The Conservatives are flouting the humanitarian tradition that has distinguished Canada for decades, choosing instead to undermine the principle of basic human rights.
We agree that non-citizens who commit serious crimes in Canada must be dealt with quickly. However, we are concerned about the fact that this bill gives the minister vast discretionary power without appropriate checks and balances.
This approach is all the more regrettable given that Bill C-43 will soon have serious negative consequences on many fronts. First, the number of deportations will rise sharply, and some of those deportations will be outrageous. The most striking example of this is the measure stating that offenders' family members may be affected by deportation policies. Many individuals will be deported to countries where they have no ties just because the government refuses to recognize that the proposed measures are excessive and will short-circuit the usual legal process.
It is also important to note that Bill C-43 substantially broadens the notion of serious criminality, now characterized as crime punishable by a sentence of six months or more, conditional or otherwise, regardless of whether the crime was violent. For example, a first offence punishable by a six-month conditional sentence—the offender will not actually spend time in jail—will still result in the deportation of the offender.
The minister will bring in a double punishment, accompanied by removal and no chance for appeal regarding the deportation, which goes against our judicial principles.
Furthermore, as Alex Neve from Amnesty International Canada said, the lack of relief mechanisms means that the circumstances will not be taken into account. This type of situation shows that Bill C-43 makes no sense.
Amy Casipullai, the senior policy and public education coordinator for the Ontario Council of Agencies Serving Immigrants, said that the restrictions could affect more visible minorities because of the racial profiling certain police forces engage in. Not only will visible minorities be more likely to be arrested, but now, they and their families could also be removed without appeal, without any recourse. But the Conservatives chose to ignore this reality and instead accuse the witness of siding with criminals.
Similarly, a number of experts, including lawyer Jean Lash, have said that people with mental illnesses sometimes commit crimes as a result of their illness. Michael Bossin, a refugee lawyer, also argues that people with mental illnesses would face undue hardship if they were deported to a country where mental illness is often stigmatized.
Since refugees from war-torn countries are more likely to suffer from post-traumatic stress, it makes sense that people are concerned about how Bill C-43 will affect them. However, the Conservatives are stubbornly ignoring the reality on the ground and would rather disregard this aspect.
Other restrictions imposed by Bill C-43 make absolutely no sense. If people are prohibited from being accompanied to an interview with the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, they are prevented from receiving advice and support throughout the process. This can clearly be a hardship for them.
Bill C-43 would also indiscriminately standardize the consequences of a misrepresentation. Whether or not a misrepresentation is deliberate, it results in a five-year inadmissibility.
All of the new discretionary powers granted to the minister, without any checks and balances, will create the potential for abuse.
We proposed an amendment to require the minister to be accountable and transparent regarding these discretionary powers. Unfortunately the Conservatives rejected this suggestion.
Based on public policy considerations, a concept that is not defined in the act, the minister will be able to label someone as a threat without any justification, without having to explain his decisions and, most importantly, without any checks and balances.
That is what happens with a bill that ignores criticisms, suggestions from the official opposition and comments from outside witnesses.
Bill C-43 will have disastrous results because of the significant flaws in the bill. It restricts the right of appeal without regard for the repercussions, curtails refugees' rights without consideration of our legal principles, expands the minister's discretionary power without any checks and balances and establishes a policy of mass deportation without consideration of the circumstances.
Instead of tackling the problems of serious criminality, the government is imposing a set of measures that will cause significant harm to individuals who do not deserve this type of treatment.
The Conservatives' determination to go it alone, to decide unilaterally and to avoid debate and discussion will have consequences. The first of these will be a defective policy whose flaws will surface quickly.
Bill C-43 is another stain on the Conservatives' immigration record.
The government's message is the following: the Conservatives will consider anyone who is not a bona fide Canadian to be a foreigner who cannot make a mistake. Even worse, not only can foreigners not make a mistake, but they will also be deported and, with this bill, their family can be booted out as well.
Canada has traditionally considered itself a country that welcomes immigrants and a leader in the protection of basic human rights.
The Conservatives are betraying this tradition by introducing a bill rooted in rhetoric that turns back the clock and makes unwarranted changes that will have serious consequences.
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Calgary Southeast
Jason Kenney Minister of Citizenship
Mr. Speaker, when I hear this kind of speech, I have to wonder whether it was written by one of the NDP's young staff members who are part of the Québec solidaire party. That speech had an appallingly demagogic tone.
It is completely ridiculous to insinuate that this bill is regressive and that it goes against basic human rights.
Does the hon. member really believe that a war criminal, someone who has no respect for human rights, should be able to stay in Canada on humanitarian and compassionate grounds?
Did she speak about the victims of war criminals? Did she speak about the victims of the Rwandan genocide who complained to me that it took 21 years to deport Léon Mugesera, who was responsible for inciting it? Does she think it was reasonable for Mugesera, the person responsible for inciting the Rwandan genocide, to be able to submit two applications to stay in Canada on humanitarian and compassionate grounds?
I do not want a general answer. I think that the hon. member should provide a direct response.
Should Mr. Mugesera, who was responsible for inciting the Rwandan genocide, be able to invoke humanitarian and compassionate grounds?
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Sadia Groguhé Saint-Lambert, QC
Mr. Speaker, in my opinion, the minister should look into the meaning of demagogic. I think it applies more to him than to my speech.
Our democracies have evolved in terms of basic rights. In the absence of proof to the contrary, real democracies have always sought to ensure that everyone's basic human rights are respected.
Bill C-43 does not respect the basic human rights of individuals.
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Kevin Lamoureux Winnipeg North, MB
Mr. Speaker, from the numbers being provided by the minister and the parliamentary secretary over the last number weeks, we understand there are approximately 800 offences, serious crimes, being committed by permanent residents on average in any given year.
Does the member agree that there would be great deal of benefit if the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration got a report on those crimes by category? I ask because what we often hear is the extreme element. We do not necessarily know the proper context of those 800 crimes being committed. Does the member see any value in the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration looking into that?
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Sadia Groguhé Saint-Lambert, QC
Mr. Speaker, the government likes the headline effect. It exaggerates the significance of examples that are obviously exceptions. Bill C-43 is clearly the perfect way for the Conservatives to impose their ideology.
My colleague is absolutely right. Let us talk about facts, about solid evidence. It would be a good idea to analyze all of these different crimes and categorize them. That would provide more conclusive data on which to base an objective decision to implement this kind of bill.
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Kevin Lamoureux Winnipeg North, MB
Mr. Speaker, it is a pleasure to address Bill C-43 this afternoon and to put on record what I believe is an important perspective.
First and foremost, if the minister genuinely wanted to get rid of foreign criminals or permanent residents who were committing all these crimes, I believe there is a lot more the minister could have done other than just bring in the legislation. We in the Liberal Party do believe that permanent residents who commit serious crimes should be deported, and it should be done in a timely fashion. We do believe that. We are not, to quote some government members, supporting criminals staying in Canada indefinitely. At the end of the day, we believe that there needs to be consequences. It is not too much to ask people who are coming to Canada to behave in a good fashion. A vast majority of permanent residents have done that.
The Liberal Party, in its time in government, generously opened the doors to immigrants from around the world and advocated for responsible behaviour in Canada, and we will continue to do so.
The bill goes back to June of last year in the dying days of the session. The Minister of Immigration had a big press conference and he had all sorts of PowerPoint slides. The minister spared no cost on this. He wanted to make a powerful statement, which all Canadians needed to know, that the government is committed to the faster removal of foreign criminals. He loved the headline and he wanted every media outlet to report that fact.
Many experts, many different stakeholders have said the bill is so far-reaching that the minister has gone overboard. In reality, that is really what has happened. He has gone a little overboard. If the minister really wanted to do Canadians and all residents a favour, maybe he should invest a little more in our border services and in resources for immigration.
I asked him how many foreign nationals do we have in Canada today who are not here legally who are committing crimes. I applaud the Minister of Immigration. He gave a somewhat honest answer. He recognized that he did not know. He has been the minister for six years and he does not know. Crime is a really important agenda item for the government, apparently. Yet he has no idea how many foreign nationals are in Canada today, let alone the fact that he does not even know how many of those foreign nationals are committing crimes. Why? Because he is more focused on the bigger picture, the big headline.
That might be good possibly for future leadership bids, but in terms of serving Canadians, I would suggest that there is a lot more that the Minister of Immigration could have done to deal with this issue, which is important to Canadians and all residents who live here and call Canada their home. The minister could have adequately resourced our services so that the people who commit these hideous and serious crimes could be deported in a more timely fashion. That is what we expected from the Minister of Immigration.
We have a number of concerns about Bill C-43. One of them is using public policy to deny entry. The minister said, "It is okay. Trust me. I can determine what refugees are irregular arrivals". Members will remember that piece of legislation. The minister wanted that power. This is the minister who said, "It is okay. I can determine what country in the world is a safe country", even though we had other legislation that passed that said it should be dealt with by an advisory board made up of professionals, people who have expertise in a wide variety of issues such as human rights.
Now we have the minister, once again, wanting more power. He wants to be able to, through public policy, decide who should not be able to come to the country. One could say maybe that is just the Liberal Party talking and being critical of the minister but, no, all we have to do is look at what was said in the citizenship and immigration committee.
In committee Barb Jackman, a constitutional lawyer, said:
I have no doubt that the public policy grounds will lead to denying people admission on the basis of speech.
There were other individuals. This is a quote from the testimony of Michael Greene from the Canadian Bar Association on the same topic:
We believe this power is unlimited, unaccountable, un-Canadian, and unnecessary. It doesn't have a place in a free and democratic society that cherishes civil liberties and fundamental freedoms.
This is not the Liberal Party saying this, and contrary to what the minister likes to say, which is that these lawyers are all lefties, social activists and so forth, these are people who are committed enough to share their ideas and their thoughts when they recognize that the government has gone overboard and who take the time to come and make a presentation to our committee. We should appreciate that.
There are other issues. Misrepresentation is now increased, from two years to five years, in terms of when a person would actually be able to reapply for immigration purposes to come to Canada. Again, the minister says that if people are filling out the application, by God, they should be honest, and if they are honest, they do not have a problem. Therefore, why would someone oppose increasing the time penalty from two years to five years when someone has been dishonest?
I am sure that the minister is aware of things such as unintentional or innocent misrepresentation. I am sure the minister is aware of bad immigration lawyers and employment agencies that provide misinformation. It is not always the applicant who might be at fault.
However, in the legislation, the minister does not care about that. He is prepared to ignore that issue completely and say that it doesn't matter. He doesn't care why it might have appeared on the form. That person will have to wait five years because of something that they might not have even been aware of and, for all intents and purposes, they thought they were being completely honest and straightforward on the application. However, there is no extra consideration whatsoever being given to that. It is a mindset. This is something where the Conservatives and the Liberals really differ.
Liberals believe in immigration in the true sense of the word. We believe that immigration is what has helped build our country to what it is today. We do not believe that if people land in Canada they have to become citizens or they are not good citizens of our land. The current government believes that if people land in Canada and have been here for three years, they had better be getting their citizenship or they plant a seed of doubt in terms of why they would not be getting their citizenship, that they are not as good as the rest of us for not getting their citizenship. If we listen to the rhetoric and the many comments that come from the minister, one can easily draw that sort of a conclusion.
I raised the issue in terms of children and the issue of family breakup. I must have hit a chord because the minister began his comments with it. We have families that immigrate to Canada every day, families of three, four, five and larger. I found the minister's response amazing. He said that if one member of a family commits a crime, it is not a problem. Their family does not have to stay in Canada. They can all leave Canada because that one person has to leave.
There is no evaluation or true sense of compassion in terms of what the circumstances behind the crime or the action were. Truth be known, it is not as black and white as many would like to think it is. I sat on a justice committee. That is why I said before that I believe in consequences for all crimes, period, whether they are committed by Canadians or permanent residents. I believe there needs to be consequences for crime, and I believe also that all my caucus colleagues support that.
Where the Liberals differ is that we are a little more sympathetic to the understanding of situations. That is why, for example, we believe it is appropriate to let judges have some judicial discretion. That is something in which we have a little more faith, the importance of an independent judicial system. However, the government does not recognize that at all. It is straightforward.
This was interesting. I cited three examples and the hon. member only made reference to two of the examples when we talked about youth crime. One of the crimes I mentioned was a 20-year-old with six pots of marijuana. On occasions I have explained in the House that, yes, those are for trafficking purposes. That is nothing new. The hon. member's comment was that the bill only relates to trafficking. Fine. I have acknowledged that in the past.
Does the minister not think there are 18-year-olds trafficking marijuana in high schools? Do I have news for the minister. It is there. It is real. It is happening today, not only by people who immigrated when they were two-year-olds but by people who were born in Canada. I will tell the hon. member something else. At times young people make some stupid decisions. If a person were in Canada since they were a one-year-old and they are now 20 years old and they get caught doing something stupid, is that justification for deporting that person in all cases? I would argue that it is not, not in all cases. The minister would ultimately argue, yes.
By my saying what I just said, the minister will say the Liberal Party supports people who sexually molest seniors, and I believe he tried to imply it. That is absolute rubbish, but that is one example the minister gave. The reality is that the minister is prepared to see a 20-year-old deported to a country he or she has never known, even though that person was a one-year-old when they came to Canada, because they had six pots of marijuana growing and attempted to sell it to some buddies.
Before one starts throwing stones, one needs to reflect on their own human behaviour.
At the end of the day the other example the minister gave was about using false identification. As opposed to hearing it from me, let me read exactly what was said in committee. I would ask the minister to really listen to this. I quote:
Using a false or fraudulent document is an offence under section 368 of the Criminal Code and carries a maximum potential penalty of 10 years. A 20-year-old permanent resident who is convicted of using fake identification to get into a bar while visiting the United States is inadmissible under IRPA because of a foreign conviction.
It doesn't matter that the U.S. court punished him with only a $200 fine. Paragraph 36(1)(b) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act does not require any particular sentence, only a foreign conviction.
This is coming from someone who represented the Canadian Bar, dealing with immigration work in the past, a presenter to the committee. The minister says that we have to do our homework. Part of the homework is listening to what people have to say when they come to the committee. I am just repeating something said before committee, and if one follows that example through, I think it would surprise a lot of people.
I brought up three issues. The one that the minister did not make reference to was a 20-year old taking his camera or cellphone into a movie theatre, recording some cool show he has just seen and then showing it in any way. Well, he is out of luck if he does not have his citizenship, even though he may have been here since he was one or two years old.
The point is that the government, in bringing forward this legislation, has gone too far and over-reached. We in the Liberal Party recognize the need to ensure that permanent residents who commit serious crimes should be deported. We believe that it should be done relatively quickly. There are ways that the government could be far more effective, if it genuinely wants to make our communities safer places to be. I cited that point at the very beginning, and I think it is an appropriate way to close.
If the government wants to prevent crimes from taking place in the first place, if it wants to deport those who are here illegally and who should not have been here in the first place, not because they committed a crime but because they have over-stayed, and if it wants to deport permanent residents who have committed serious crimes, the best thing it could do would be to invest in immigration services that facilitate that. The government could invest in our border services. If the government were prepared to do that, then it would be far more effective in making our communities safer places.
There are many other things that people should be reflecting on before this bill comes to a vote. I would suggest that the government did not listen to the types of amendment that we brought forward, some serious amendments, at committee.
I appreciate the fact that one of those amendments was modified by the government, where the minister uses his ability to deny access and would be obligated to submit that in a yearly report. At the very least, the House would then know when and how often the minister used that ability. We were hoping that the amendment would pass the way we suggested it, but I am glad that the government did recognize that particular Liberal amendment and made some modifications. However, for the most part, with that one exception, many other amendments that could really have improved the legislation were not passed.
As a final thought, I do believe that we need to look at a country like France that recognizes children who immigrate there as being more a part of their society, because of their age when they immigrated. Here I could give the example of someone in a tragic situation who had immigrated as a child and through a horrific accident became a foster child, which, no doubt, has happened in the past.
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St. Catharines
Rick Dykstra Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration
Mr. Speaker, I know that we are discussing Bill C-43, but I was fascinated to hear the member speak about the fact that the minister should understand that the trafficking of marijuana is taking place in high schools all over the country, despite the fact he is from a party that believes we should spend a lot of time legalizing marijuana.
I am not quite sure where he was going with that, but subject to that, he does continue to recite three or four examples while never providing a concrete example of a situation he is suggesting could happen and has actually happened. He has never come forward. He ties together everything that he thinks will work into some sort of proposal without actually coming up with any evidence.
However, the member mentioned having spent time listening to witnesses who presented at committee. I thought it would be good to ask him what he thought of what one of the witnesses at committee, Sharon Rosenfeldt, the chair of Victims of Violence, said:
As an organization that works with victims of violent crimes and their families, we applaud this proposed change. We feel that streamlining the deportation of convicted criminals from Canada will make our country safer. Limiting access to the Immigration and Refugee Board's Immigration Appeal Division, and thus reducing the amount of time that convicted criminals may spend in Canada, is an important proactive step in ensuring the safety of all Canadians.
We were all at committee and heard that witness. The member for Winnipeg North is saying that we should be listening. What does he think of the comments by Ms. Rosenfeldt?
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Kevin Lamoureux Winnipeg North, MB
Mr. Speaker, I would like to think I am exceptionally sensitive to victims of crime. It does not matter whether the person is an immigrant, a permanent resident or a Canadian citizen, when a crime is committed there needs to be a consequence.
To get a better appreciation of that, I would encourage all members of Parliament to talk with victims of crime. Doing that helps all us to better appreciate what it is to be a victim. That is one of the reasons I say that we should be preventing some of these crimes from happening.
One of the things we can do with Citizenship and Immigration to do just that is to start looking at the number of people here in Canada who do not have legal status. Here we are not talking about hundreds of people, but thousands. A percentage of those people are, no doubt, committing crimes, but this is something that the government has done absolutely nothing about. I suspect there are many victims' advocates who would say to the Government of Canada: "Shame on you for not dealing with that particular issue". We should be dealing with it and the best way to do that is by dealing with resource issue in regard to border controls and immigration services.


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How glow.mozilla.org gets its data
March 22nd, 2011 by deinspanjer
I'm sure you've heard by now, Firefox 4 is officially released. The Metrics team has done our part by working with webdev to release a new real-time download visualization:
The basic backend flow is like this:
- The various load balancing clusters that host download.mozilla.org are configured to log download requests to a remote syslog server.
- The remote server is running rsyslog and has a config that specifically filters those remote syslog events into a dedicated file that rolls over hourly
- SQLStream is installed on that server and it is tailing those log files as they appear.
- The SQLStream pipeline does the following for each request:
- filtering out anything other than valid download requests
- uses MaxMind GeoIP to get a geographic location from the IP address
- uses a streaming group by to aggregate the number of downloads by product, location, and timestamp
- every 10 seconds, sends a stream of counter increments to HBase for the timestamp row with the column qualifiers being each distinct location that had downloads in that time interval
- The glow backend is a python app that pulls the data out of HBase using the Python Thrift interface and writes a file containing a JSON representation of the data every minute.
- That JSON file can be cached on the front-end forever since each minute of data has a distinct filename
- The glow website pulls down that data and plays back the downloads or allows you to browse the geographic totals in the arc chart view
Some links for people interested in the code:
- Original project page describing the HBase schema (unfortunately a bit out of date right now)
- Glow back-end python app
- Glow front-end web app
- SQLStream should be sharing the code that they use to interface with HBase using the Java client API soon.
28 Responses to "How glow.mozilla.org gets its data"
How much time did it take you to build that?
on 22 Mar 2011 at 11:51 am deinspanjer
The website parts were pretty quick because our webdevs rock. Some of the finer points of the backend took a long time, mostly just working out weird little kinks and getting systems to talk to each other.
If we had a dedicated backend engineer, it could have been done in probably two or three weeks tops? Building on the framework we've done so far though, it would be possible to stand something like this up very quickly.
Great job guys! Congrats!
on 22 Mar 2011 at 11:54 am SQLstream and Mozilla Firefox 4.0 « Stream Computing
[…] Mozilla's Daniel Einspanjer has also blogged about their new real-time download vizualization …. The blog explains the overall architecture of the real-time application using SQLstream, and the SQLstream integration with HBase. […]
on 22 Mar 2011 at 11:58 am John Patrick
Great job guys – it's strangely addictive watching the downloads spread across the globe like this in real time.
on 22 Mar 2011 at 1:49 pm expert
Interesting data visualization!
Can't wait for FF4 being pushed to public update.
on 22 Mar 2011 at 3:04 pm I'm also addicted to analytics… | deepcode blog
[…] not coding) looking at Mozilla's Glow visualization (Firefox 4 downloads), and reading about how it works. I'm feeling particularly inspired by this and have a great idea for a project to give me […]
on 22 Mar 2011 at 3:38 pm Eric Hauser
Before choosing SQLStream, did you evaluate alternatives – open source or otherwise? I believe SQLStream is pretty pricey and you guys are very much an open source shop, so I'm interested as to why you choose it.
on 22 Mar 2011 at 3:46 pm deinspanjer
There are some decent alternatives and also many more ways we could roll our own now. Back in 2009, that wasn't quite the case.
We engaged them back then on the project of real time download visualization and it has continued to work well so far.
I definitely agree that price and closed source are issues that keep hobbyists and small companies from being able to easily follow in our footsteps here and that doesn't make me happy.
I just ran across this very interesting github project that is related to this conversation: https://github.com/stagas/maptail
Will you release the source code of this tremendous website as Open Source?
on 23 Mar 2011 at 6:00 am deinspanjer
Check the content of this article again. It includes links to the open source repositories.
Just a comment… looking now on the glow globe: Japan's internet is working really well although they had this earthquake. They are downloading alot of Firefoxes :-)
on 23 Mar 2011 at 1:16 am glow.mozilla.org: smoke and mirrors, and RESTful design « bertrand's brain grep
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http://glow.mozilla.org/ work faster on chrome than FF4 !!
Try it please ? (Ubuntu 10.10 on IBM Thinkpad )
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A cool visualization! I like it.
on 24 Mar 2011 at 12:32 am Firefox 4的24小时下载量是IE9的二倍以上 « 每日IT新闻,最新IT资讯,聚合多站点消息,保证你与世界同步
[…] IE9的24小时下载量约为235万。根据Mozilla提供的下载地图,Firefox 4发布24小时还没到,下载量已经突破了564万,是IE9的二倍以上。Firefox 3的24小时下载量曾创下800万次的记录,但那次是Mozilla大力推广"下载日"的结果。 Mozilla官方博客的介绍下载地图工作原理:多个托管download.mozilla.org的负载均衡服务器集群,设置将下载请求日志发送到一台远程syslog服务器,这台服务器通过SQLStream过滤出非有效下载请求,用MaxMind GeoIP对IP地址进行定位,聚合下载次数,地址和时间戳等。 […]
Thanks for the good work,
But not to show the download statistics from a country (in this case Iran) is not even politically correct. I believe it is completely against Mozilla Foundation spirit which is openness to everybody.
Please reconsider your glow map statistics and add those 7 countries to your map. here is not the stupid politicians battle field.
on 24 Mar 2011 at 4:37 am firefox4下载量统计系统的实现
[…] Mozilla官方博客的介绍下 载地图工作原理:多个托管download.mozilla.org的负载均衡服务器集群,设置将下载请求日志发送到一台远程syslog服务器,这台服 务器通过SQLStream过滤出非有效下载请求,用MaxMind GeoIP对IP地址进行定位,聚合下载次数,地址和时间戳等。 […]
on 24 Mar 2011 at 10:41 pm State of Data Last Week -#41 « Dr Data's Blog
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on 25 Mar 2011 at 9:23 am News – Firefox 4 – Glow – Almost Realtime Download Stat Tracking | Me Like Dev
[…] A technological breakdown is here: http://blog.mozilla.org/data/2011/03/22/how-glow-mozilla-org-gets-its-data/ […]
on 29 Mar 2011 at 12:53 pm firefox 4 download stats « akamaras blog
[…] quick explanation of how it is working can been seen at http://blog.mozilla.org/data/2011/03/22/how-glow-mozilla-org-gets-its-data/ Filed under: news, Uncategorized Leave a comment Comments (0) Trackbacks (0) ( subscribe to […]
on 29 Mar 2011 at 7:36 pm What are the different ways to build a real time download counter just like the one in mozilla's download website (glow.mozilla.org ) using SQL-Stream or any other?...
What are the different ways to build a real time download counter just like the one in mozilla's download website (glow.mozilla.org ) using SQL-Stream or any other?…
Blog about how the architecture works: http://blog.mozilla.org/data/2011/03/22/how-glow-mozilla-org-gets-its-data/ The code for glow: https://github.com/jbalogh/glow…
on 05 Apr 2011 at 1:23 am HBase支持的 Firefox4 下载统计页 | IT News
[…] 英文原文:How glow.mozilla.org gets its data […]
on 05 Apr 2011 at 8:32 pm HBase支持的 Firefox4 下载统计页 | laura's site
[…] 英文原文:How glow.mozilla.org gets its data […]
on 08 Apr 2011 at 12:01 am Links: Googles Python Anfängerkurs, Firefox 4 Visualisierungen, Data Science Toolkit, RSS Tuning, McLuhan – tobiaskut.de - Open Source | Content Management | Redaktion
[…] Firefox hat zum Launch von Firefox 4 eine sehr beeindruckende Visualisierung ins Netz gestellt. Unter http://glow.mozilla.org lassen sich die Downloads in Echtzeit verfolgen. Jeder Punkt steht für einen Download, am unteren Bildschirmrand zeigt ein Balkendiagramm die Downloads im Minutentakt und wer es ganz genau wissen will hat über das Kreisdiagramm unten links die Möglichkeit die Daten von Kontinenten auf Stadtebene runterzubrechen. Das ist Datenvisualisierung! Details zur technischen Umsetzung stehen im übrigen hier: How glow.mozilla.org gets its data […]
on 02 Jul 2011 at 5:10 am HBase 的应用案例 | 我要去桂林_田春峰的互联网生活
[…] The first version of Glow used several technologies including SQLStream and HBase to process download request logs in real time and make them available for the site to display. If you are interested in learning the technical details behind Glow read this article from the Mozilla Metrics team, which has links to the code repositories: http://blog.mozilla.org/data/2011/03/22/how-glow-mozilla-org-gets-its-data/ […]
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Road commission faces a bumpy road for funding, repairs
ALPENA – County road commissions around the state will be paying close attention to what Gov. Rick Snyder has to say during his State of the State address on Wednesday. The governor is expected to shed some light on how he intends to improve the condition of roads and where the money will come to do it.
Currently a portion of county road commission funds received from the state come via the gas tax, which trickles its way to the counties after going through a complicated formula that determines how the money will be divided. According to Alpena County Road Commission Managing Director Larry Orcutt, the governor has indicated the formula is obsolete and needs to revamped.
Orcutt said if this occurs, it could lead to more money from the state, or less. He said many county roads are in poor shape and road commissions are struggling to improve them because of a lack of money. Orcutt said currently road commissions get only 39 percent of the road funds. He said he fears a change to the formula, which has been in place since the 1950s, could have a negative impact on the money the state provides.
"We need, and are looking for, some help which would allow us to do a reasonably good job of meeting the public's expectations for the roads," Orcutt said. "Right now there is just not enough funding for us to do that. What concerns us is the distribution formula of the transportation funds. There are ideas to change it out. Concern is it may cause the amount of dollars to go down and not up."
Orcutt said if it is determined in Lansing less money will be allocated to the counties, other means of increasing revenue will be examined, including local millages or higher registration costs. Currently in Alpena County only Long Rapids Township has a millage in place for road improvements.
"Ultimately we would have to ask the residents to fund the level of transportation they desire," Orcutt said. "A millage is one option and there are other alternate ways to fund our road projects. Another option would be to raise the fees for vehicle registration."
Currently none of the sales tax is designated toward road and bridge improvements. Orcutt said there are some whispers in Lansing that a percentage of it or a larger percentage of the gas tax could be put into the transportation fund and distributed to the counties.
"One thing I hope they do is consider minimising the off-the-top diversion from the funds," Orcutt. "Right now there is a considerable amount which comes off the top and given to other state agencies. The Secretary of State gets some, the attorney general gets some. That wouldn't be a big fix, but it would be more money."
Orcutt said Act 51, which addressed the allocation of the money from the transportation fund, has been working fine and when there were issues with it minor amendments to it have been made. He said Snyder believes it is outdated and fears a change to the formula could cause more harm to the county road commissions than good.
"Act 51 has been amended like 65 times and the formula has been changed to stay consistent with times," Orcutt said. "It is not a formula which is simple, but it doesn't seem to be obsolete. If the formula is changed we could lose money. If that happens we will have no choice but to come up with other ways to increased revenue. Our roads are in very poor shape and we have certain obligations to meet by law and each year the roads are not done it becomes more expensive to do them."
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Peoria Chiefs Add Concepcion to Roster
Gerardo Concepcion officially signed with the Cubs back in March, you can read about that here, he will now make his Organizational debut tomorrow for the Peoria Chiefs, where he will be starting. We will keep you posted on his progress for sure.
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I've been dipping into your blog, it's fascinating stuff but then I'm a history junkie.ReplyDeleteReplies
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I've had my photo taken on that very spot!ReplyDeleteReplies
Do you have a copy? I'm learning so much about my own state with this challenge.Delete
I'd love to see that for myself someday.ReplyDeleteReplies
Hope you can. We have an amazing state.Delete
Hi, Rita: So great to meet you in the A to Z challenge! I've spent a lot of time in all four of the states on the Four Corners, especially Colorado and New Mexico -- I've lived in both states. I drive through Utah and Arizona often when we go to California. Hubby was stationed there in Tucson for a while. We live in Wyoming now. Cheers!ReplyDeleteReplies
Hello. I was in Wyoming many years ago. Beautiful. I have family in Colorado and have also visited New Mexico and drive through Utah every year to visit my daughter in Washington State. We are so lucky to live in the West.Delete
I've been there. There were many vendors--Navajos I presume--selling jewelry and other things. I bought a fry bread taco and it was delicious. This is a fascinating part of the great United States.ReplyDelete
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We visited four corners several years ago and took all the usual pictures :-) Boy, it is out in the middle of nowhere, isn't it?ReplyDelete


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With summer break approaching, the gang decides to use their cell phones to keep in touch. Sena decides to get the same model as Kodaka's - a choice which drives Yozora totally insane.
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As species disappear, they lose relevance to a society and a constituency to champion their revival.feedback loop that spirals toward this breakdown: As species disappear, they lose both relevance to a society and the constituency to champion their revival, further hastening their decline. A vivid example of this was highlighted in a recent study in Conservation Biology, in which researchers found that younger residents along China's Yangtze River knew little or nothing of the river dolphin, the bajii — now believed to be extinct — and the threatened paddlefish.
To end the steady degradation of ecosystems, we need to rewind important historical connections.fine-tuned life histories of natural runs to their home rivers became quashed by mass-produced specimens that were less fit, but that nonetheless competed with any remaining wild individuals, reducing their fitness, too, as they interbred. Responsibility for the continuity of the runs shifted away from maintaining ecological integrity of fish runs and rivers to what amounted to a cosmetic patch via outsourcing. Abundant research has shown that a fish is not a fish is not a fish.
The striped bass had a vocal constituency of fishermen calling for its revival.1999, an action that allowed sturgeons, shad, and striped bass to swim and spawn in a 17-mile stretch of the river that was blocked for a century. Similar efforts are underway in Maine's Penobscot River, and these include novel compromises that will maintain hydroelectric power generation levels while eventually reopening hundreds of miles of main-stem river and tributaries.
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Golijov Showcases in Buenos Aires and Bogotá(February 2012)
Argentine Premiere of La Pasión Según San Marcos in Buenos Aires in March; Colombian Premiere of Ainadamar in Bogotá in July
Two of Argentine composer Osvaldo Golijov's most soulful and celebrated works, his large-scale oratorio La Pasión Según San Marcos and opera Ainadamar, will be presented in their regional premieres in South American theaters in 2012.
Buenos Aires's Teatro Colón opens their 2012 season with La Pasión Según San Marcos (2000), Golijov's retelling of St. Mark's Passion, vibrantly re-imagined with Latin American folk music, African drumming, flamenco melodies and Spanish poetry. María Guinand leads the Schola Cantorum de Venezuela, Orquesta La Pasión, mezzo-soprano Luciana Souza and others in this production (March 14, 15, 17 and 18) which marks the debut performances of Golijov's oratorio in his home country of Argentina.
Critics have cheered this large-scale oratorio since its premiere more than 10 years ago. The Independent (UK) stated: "It's easy to understand why Osvaldo Golijov's La Pasión Según San Marcos received a 30-minute ovation at its 2000 Stuttgart premiere: a transferral of the Easter story to Latin America, it's a vibrant, sonically colorful experience in which the native South American strains of samba, tango and salsa contribute as much as the orchestral and choral elements…the result is an engaging tapestry in which demotic forms and religious chorale combine with piquant, astringent energy." La Pasión Según San Marcos will be staged at New York's Carnegie Hall in March 2013, featured as part of Golijov's tenure as the venue's Debs Composer Chair during the 2012-13 season.
Ainadamar (2003), Golijov's opera based on the life of the famous Spanish poet Federico García Lorca, receives its Colombian premiere (July 13 and 14, 2012) by the Ópera del Teatro Argentino de la Plata at the Teatro Mayor Julio Mario Santo Domingo in Bogotá. This evocative yet heartbreaking opera filled with colorful music features a hybrid of musical styles, including flamenco, jazz, klezmer and salsa, along with a libretto by the playwright David Henry Hwang. Ainadamar was most recently staged at a festival in Granada, Spain, the city in which Lorca tragically died. Ideal de Granada noted the work as "…a scenic wonder that will remain etched in the record books… an opera of bold music with a suggestive, evocative text…" Ainadamar will be staged in Long Beach, California, May 19 and 26 by the Long Beach Opera, followed by ten performances in July at Madrid's Teatro Real, directed by Peter Sellars.
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On monarchs, their disappearance and a festival to celebrate them
Monarch Butterflies are one of the most recognized and least seen butterflies of the year. Their population is at the lowest it has been since scientists found their overwintering grounds in 1976. That has made it an especially tough challenge for the naturalists and volunteers at Audubon to find Monarch Butterfly eggs and caterpillars to raise for this year's Monarch Butterfly Festival on August 31.
The Monarch Butterfly Festival began in a year when Monarch Butterflies were incredibly easy to find. This year, staff and volunteers worked hard to find Monarch Butterflies. Sightings have been few and far between.
It has been funny, in a not so funny way, to watch the reaction to a Monarch Butterfly being seen. One sighting led to a day camp group re-routing their afternoon hike and finding 30 monarch eggs to raise on a patch of milkweed far off the beaten path.
On another day, a random report of Monarch Butterfly sightings led to an hour long journey around Akeley and Scandia, Pennsylvania. There was much stopping and searching of milkweed plants along the way, and much odd staring from passing cars, but no monarch eggs were found.
It's important to find the eggs and little caterpillars as soon as possible. Eighty-six out of every 100 Monarch Butterflies die before they become adults. The eggs are eaten by spiders and ants, bugs and beetles. Caterpillars are devoured by the same things.
There are even these bizarre little flies called Tachinid Flies that lay their eggs on the caterpillars. The fly larva hatch out and eat through the caterpillar's flesh while the caterpillar lives. The flies don't emerge and kill the caterpillar until the caterpillar is almost ready to transform itself.
In addition, there are a variety of viruses and other diseases that can infect and kill caterpillars.
This is why it is important to gather Monarch Butterfly eggs. The eggs are disease and pest free. Every egg that is raised guarantees a higher survivorship on the butterflies. In a time when the number of Monarch Butterflies is so low, every one that can be raised to adulthood can be significant.
The Monarch Butterfly Festival at Audubon will celebrate all things Monarch. There will be live butterflies flying around a room filled with wildflowers. There will be Mexican food served to celebrate the Monarch Butterfly's amazing migration to Mexico. One woman will be tagging the butterflies with stickers to help scientists track the Monarch Butterflies migration.
Caterpillars of all sizes will be present, and you can hold the largest ones. Kids and adults can have their photos taken as a Monarch Butterfly or as a caterpillar. There will be also be crafts, a nature T-shirt sale to raise money for Audubon, and more.
Milkweed seeds and milkweed plants, the only food for Monarch Butterfly caterpillars, will be on sale to help provide more habitat throughout the area for Monarch Butterflies to lay their eggs. There will also be plants for sale that Monarch Butterflies prefer to feed from, such as Joe Pye Weed and Ironweed. These plants can provide an important food supply for migrating Monarch Butterflies.
Aerial insect nets can be borrowed at the festival to catch butterflies, grasshoppers and dragonflies. Entomologists (insect scientists) will be on hand to help identify the insects that are caught.
Of course, Audubon's everyday beauty will also be available. The arboretum of native trees will be available to all. The butterfly and pollinator gardens will also be available for viewing as examples of how to plant for butterflies and other pollinators. Audubon's live Bald Eagle, Liberty, will be available for viewing as well.
Monarchs may be having troubles across the country this year, but the Monarch Butterfly Festival will go on. This is due to dedicated group of staff and volunteers who are working hard to find and raise the Monarch Butterflies and release them back into the wild. It is helpful humans that are working hard to keep the Monarch Butterfly a part of our local natural heritage.
The Monarch Butterfly Festival will take place on Saturday, Aug. 31, from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. Admission is $7 for adults and $5 for children and Friends of the Nature Center. The Monarch Butterfly Festival is sponsored by Phoenix Metal, United Refining Company, Herbs R 4 U, King's Heating and Sheet Metal and Lena's Pizza. If you are interested in sponsoring, please call Jeff Tome.
Jeff Tome is Senior Naturalist at Audubon and chief Monarch Wrangler on staff.
Audubon is located at 1600 Riverside Rd., just off Route 62 between Warren and Jamestown. The center is open daily from 10 a.m. until 4:30 p.m. except Sunday when we open at 1 p.m. The trails are open from 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. Please note this time change and look for details as to why on our website, jamestownaudubon.org, or call (716) 569-2345.


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David Akers (1975/88): Although not as rare as the 1866-S No Motto, the 1866-S Motto still ranks as one of the rarest S-Mint issues, on a par overall with the 1860-S, 1861-S, 1862-S, 1864-S, 1867-S and 1868-S. With respect to condition rarity, the 1866-S Motto is in the top 10% of the entire Double Eagle series. Compared to all 204 $20 issues and not just those from the San Francisco Mint, the 1866-S Motto still fares well in terms of overall rarity ranking in the top fifth of the series. Almost all known examples of this date are in the VF and EF grades and a full AU is definitely rare. I have seen two uncirculated examples, the finest being the coin from the Harry Bass collection.
Ron Guth:
The Saddle Ridge Hoard of gold coins, discovered in northern California in 2013, contained several examples of the 1866-S With Motto $20, most of which were not ungradeable due to cleaning. However, the nicest coin, a PCGS MS62+, ranks as the finest example known of this date.
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WTF guys, where the setlists for the Athens and Belgrade shows? :bouville:
I found this on Last.fm, I didn't write this review but it's got the setlist.
Iron Maiden in Athens - 11 March 2007
12. Mär. 2007, 20:04, von mimine101
Here goes, this is my first review ever and I'm really not good with these things but I'll do my best.
Iron Maiden were playing at the Hellinikon Indoor Basketball Arena. The venue had changed from another quite smaller former Olympic games stadium and judging by how full Hellinikon ended up being I'd say they could have easily moved it somewhere even bigger. Hellinikon Basketball Arena has the capacity of about 14,500 spectators and that's seated. sure, the seats behind the stage weren't used but everywhere else you looked there were people, standing on the "mosh pit" which looked crowded to the point of asphynxiation, sitting on the stairs, standing behind the rows of seats... they were everywhere. I'd guess around 20.000 people but it's completely arbitrary, no idea how many tickets were sold but sold out seems like an understatement for what was going on in there.
The boyfriend and I got there a little after the gates opened at 18:30 and half the stadium was already filled by the time we managed to get in. It was very cold and windy and I must say, I admire those kids who must have been there 2-3 hours earlier to be in the front of the line.
Around 20:00 the support act started. All I can say is that nepotism sucks and so does Lauren Harris. She's easy on the eyes, though, I'll give you that.
It seemed like ages before Iron Maiden came out (around 21:00, I believe). They started right away with Iron Maiden – Different World and continued with Iron Maiden – These Colours Don't Run and Iron Maiden – Brighter Than A Thousand Suns. I was getting ready mentally and I think everybody else in the stadium to listen to Iron Maiden - A Matter Of Life And Death from beginning to end. But Bruce told us that they wouldn't be playing the entire album (that got a huge cheer) then quickly added, almost apologetically that they would play some more songs from AMOLAD just some old songs too... And then he said that the next song was from 1980 (I think), actually way older than many of the kids in the audience and right away Iron Maiden – Wrathchild started. People went completely crazy! They had been singing along to the AMOLAD songs too but the oldie brought the house down!
According to last fm user creepdeath who kindly messaged me what i also think was the setlist, they continued with Iron Maiden – The Trooper and then Iron Maiden – The Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg (not exactly one of my faves from AMOLAD, would have preferred the Pilgrim), Iron Maiden – For The Greater Good of God (simply amazing), and then Iron Maiden – The Number of the Beast, Iron Maiden – Fear of the Dark, Iron Maiden – Run to the Hills and they finished with Iron Maiden – Iron Maiden.
Of course this wasn't the end. People were chanting "Maiden, Maiden" and out they came for the encore where they played Iron Maiden – 2 Minutes to Midnight, Iron Maiden – The Evil That Men Do and Iron Maiden – Hallowed Be Thy Name.
And then it was over at around 2 hours. It felt really awesome and like even longer than it was, to me at least. I heard some people outside complaining about the sound quality but I can't say I noticed anything, maybe one or two times but it definitely didn't take anything out for me.
Bruce's rapport with the audience was awesome and he got us to sing happy birthday to Steve Harris who I think was turning 49. He also started saying the words to Iron Maiden – Alexander the Great to give a more Greek feel to the whole thing, I guess but the audience wasn't too good at singing along and he said "Ha, you've forgotten it".
I loved the Eddies, the one who came out of a tank and the huge one who showed up later. I knew about the tank Eddie but the other one was a surprise.
So, can't think of anything else... I hope you people reading get a chance to see them in this tour, it is for a great album and they are in excellent form.
so based on what this chick said, here's the setlist for Athens
Iron Maiden
Iron Maiden – Different World
Iron Maiden – These Colours Don't Run
Iron Maiden – Brighter Than A Thousand Suns
Iron Maiden – Wrathchild
Iron Maiden – The Trooper
Iron Maiden – The Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg
Iron Maiden – For The Greater Good of God
Iron Maiden – The Number of the Beast
Iron Maiden – Fear of the Dark
Iron Maiden – Run to the Hills
Iron Maiden – Iron Maiden
Iron Maiden – 2 Minutes to Midnight
Iron Maiden – The Evil That Men Do
Iron Maiden – Hallowed Be Thy Name
Iron Maiden – Alexander the Great (sorta)
We always appreciate information ( :) ) but try to put set lists in the main forum and link to it.


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I'm having some problems with my create methods in controllers, as each new record I create has the updated_at column set with the same value as created_at, the column is :default => nil so that shouldnt be the problem.
Is the updated_at column supposed to be set for new records also, or am I right in thinking it should remain as nil until update_attributes is called on the record? I'm just wondering if its an error somewhere in my app or if this is working correctly, as I'm wondering how to best display the updated_at time for only updated records in a view.