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January 13, 2013, 02:02:20 PM »
First post so go easy.
I'll tell you upfront I don't know much on the technical side in regards to ovens. I read a couple of post about BTU's etc. and all seems to make sense.
My hands on experience has been making pizza's on my grill. A 4/5 YO Kenmore Elite! They come out pretty well but it's time to go to the next level either for the back yard or a small mobile pizza business.
I am tossing around the idea of trying a mobile pizza truck type business and am looking for a more commercial type gas grill to make the pizzas on. I am also entertaining the WFO as well.
I'm looking for any recommendations, advice, links to basic oven theory, etc. for both WFO or gas burner.
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Re: Polack trying to make pizza's!!
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January 13, 2013, 06:00:25 PM »
There are 2 types of ovens:
Insulated chamber with heat applied to heat the air in the oven.
Insulated oven with heat applied to heat a thermal mass.
Both work for pizza, and commercial pizza ovens are generally a combination of the two.
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Re: Polack trying to make pizza's!!
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January 14, 2013, 01:44:44 AM »
PP, I'm reading between the lines a bit, both by scrutinizing your intro post and looking at your profile and making the assumption that you're interested in selling something New Haven/Coal/Neo-New York-ish on a mobile basis. If that's the case, believe it or not, that's relatively uncharted territory here.
We have members with grills, both using wood or gas, making Neapolitan pies, and we have a member with a van fitted with a full sized gas deck oven producing something Coal-ish,
but I can't seem to recall any member doing anything along the lines of modified grill coal style mobile or wood fired coal style mobile.
If you have the money, I don't think you can top Casey's setup for that kind of style. That's pretty ambitious, though, and I get the feeling that you're looking for something smaller scale.
Casey got his start with a little black egg (LBE) and, while most of the members using LBEs commercially have striven for Neapolitan, New Haven, with it's longer bake time, is a bit easier. It sounds like you want to be somewhere between an LBE and a truck fitted with a Marsal, but, honestly, I haven't seen any middle ground.
I guess, in theory, nothing's stopping you from buying or making an oversized gas grill and putting it on a trailer. Stainless steel would stand up nicely to the weather, while still not breaking the bank like a Marsal would. A grill would be exponentially lighter than a WFO, so you wouldn't have to go crazy about reinforcing the trailer for the extra weight. I would suggest seeking out an extraordinarily high BTU grill for this purpose, though.
Before you go full scale, I would definitely make sure you're existing 'small scale' grill pies are perfect so that you know what kind of modifications will be necessary for the large grill. Out of the box, there's no gas grill that can, with a stone, put out Pepe quality pies. I normally encourage home bakers to strive for better than commercial pizzeria results, but, since I had the chance to try Pepe's a couple months back, I think they are more than a worthy enough model to emulate. A typical gas grill, to produce Pepe quality bake times, will require some modifications, such as a lower roof, a less conductive stone and/or some kind of deflection under the stone. A gas grill, with the lower BTUs involved, has a lot less room for error than an LBE, but if you can dial in the all the elements, you should be able to see something Pepe-ish- if you haven't already.
What kind of BTUs are you working with now? What's the shortest bake time you've been able to achieve?
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Thanks for the replies guys.
Some answers and clarifications to your statements.
My initial idea was to go with some type of gas grill to make the pies as this is what I am used to and fairly successful at. Additionally most of the "trucks" are WFO so I wanted to do something different. That was before semi educating myself.
I've found very few (if any) gas grills that I could use in a commercial/small party setting that will pump out pizza's on a numbers basis. It takes me about 5-8 minutes plus to produce a pie on my current gas grill. That isn't going to cut it commercially unless I have lines of grills or one or two big ones.
I'm still open to any gas grill options but concerned now about the transporting of the gas vs. wood. I'm also starting to look at some smaller WFO options as well. Yup, all over the place! If I went WFO it would be a learning process but with time I can master it. This year is proof of concept for me, next year if this goes forward is show time.
I cooked some pies last night and for the first time was conscious of bake times, heat, etc. I listed bake times above. Heat went up to about 600 degree's with the lid closed. After I set the pizza up and cooked one side (I oil both sides, cook one, then flip the dough, add sauce, toppings, etc.) the temp went down to 200 degrees then back up to 500/600. I did notice some "soft spots" were the cheese did not completely melt which tells me I have uneven heat (I think!).
Not sure on BTU's. Can I get that from max heat or is that a product of the physical grill I have and a spec I can get from the owners manual?
I learned (on a beginner level) the importance of heat, dome size, bake times, etc. from reading this forum and others on the net. All this new to me.
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January 14, 2013, 07:31:23 AM »
PP, you are baking the pizzas on a stone, correct?
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January 14, 2013, 07:44:36 AM »
Believe it or not no. Right on the grill top, low flame. Never knew there was an option for a stone. I assume it creates a level heating plane?
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January 14, 2013, 08:12:36 AM »
Yes, there are certain stones that can be purchased that go right on the grill.
So, when you talk about 'making pizzas on the grill,' you're 'making pizzas ON the grill'
Okay, I know Mario Batali rakes in some good money making a version of grilled pizza, and I'm also aware that grilled pizza has it's fans, but, I have to admit, this forum doesn't usually see too many- or if there are, they don't seem to talk about it much.
For me, grilled pizza is par-baked pizza. When you pre-bake a skin you drive a great deal of moisture away, this moisture is vital for carrying heat up to the cheese and melting it properly. Once the moisture is gone, the cheese doesn't bubble. Rather than bubbling and giving off it's buttery richness, it has a tendency to brown from above. While I spend a great deal of my time perfecting my dough, I spend countless hours getting my cheese to bubble, so, for me, par-baking is the enemy.
But then extra thick Sicilian style is also my arch nemesis, and there are plenty of people that do back flips over that. Just because it's not my bag doesn't mean that it can't be profitable for you. Personally, I think something Pepe-ish coming from a grill/wfo would be more profitable, but if grilled pizzas are your forte, a mobile grilled pizza business might be viable.
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January 14, 2013, 08:00:35 PM »
I'm not married to the grill by any means. Let's take that off the table and assume if do use a grill for this startup venture it would have a stone.
Reality is I'm probably going to go for a WFO for the venture. That being said, where do I go from here? I'm looking to start small but reasonable (WFO Options) I'm actually excited about getting a WFO so I can better mimic the "sallys type pizza"....From my research I see some important things to look for when buying a WFO is bake time, number of pizza's that can be cooked at one time, dome heigh, oven shape, refractory (??), etc. Am I on the right track here?
For the record I was never trying to replicate the sallys pizza via my pizza on the grill...it was just a way my friend showed me how to make pizza his way and I took it from there.
BTW, what is the definition of par baked?
Also, is there a best book, class, ebook that goes over in detail the dough, sauce, cheese selection process or is this to much of an opinion type answer?
Thanks for all the advice to date, it is appreciated.
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January 15, 2013, 01:25:20 AM »
Par baked means that you bake the dough first, then add the sauce and cheese and bake it again.
The questions of books came up recently
As of right now, there's isn't a book I'd recommend. Your best bet is the search function on this forum.
Here's a recent discussion on small WFOs
The topic can get a bit contentious, but... the contentiousness revolves primarily around ideal thermodynamics for Neapolitan pizzas. If you're shooting for NH coal and don't expect to ever get the Neapolitan bug, then that might give you a little more flexibility when shopping.
One potentially large issue with a coal style in a small WFO is that small WFOs can't generally do more than one pie at a time, so if you're doing 3-5 minute coal style pies, that's not a lot of output. This is probably a pretty big reason why you generally don't see anyone doing longer baked mobile pies.
There's also the size of the pies to take into consideration. Neapolitan pies are traditionally 14 inches or slightly less, but a proper coal style pie really should be 16 minimum, and, if possible, 18. For a small 27"-30" WFO, you might not able to squeeze an 18" pie in there with a fire.
Check your grill manual and see if you can come up with BTUs, along with considering tricking it out for Sally's type pies. With a little creativity and DIY willingness (a stone, a ceiling and something lightweight to support the ceiling), you should be able to get a Sally pie out of your grill. Once you conquer that milestone, that will put you in a far better position for mobile business planning.
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Sounds like a plan. Thanks for the feedback.
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January 15, 2013, 02:27:27 PM »
Can you give me a quick (RDV) of the different types of pies - major ones?
So from our thread and others I have read:
1. Neapolitan - thin crust, 14" or less
2. Par baked - pre cooked crust, then add toppings
3. Deep dish - heavy "pie" type
5. Coal style - 18'+ thin crust
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January 15, 2013, 07:34:10 PM »
PP, this is a good introduction to the various regional styles:
and here's a good introduction to Neapolitan:
What to Expect at a Neapolitan Pizzeria
The photos are okay representations of Neapolitan pizza, but I think this photo here shows the characteristic charring (called leoparding):
You can see that I'm pushing you towards gaining a better understanding of Neapolitan pizza as your feelings about it will be integral to any WFO purchase. Also, even if you don't sell Neapolitan on a mobile basis, you will want to understand your mobile competitors, and there's an excellent chance someone will be sellling Neo pies in your area from a mobile WFO.
Your best bet, at this moment, is to track down a good Neapolitan pizzeria in your area so you can experience it firsthand. New Haven isn't renowned for it's Neapolitan pizzerias, but there has to be at least one good one. You might want to start a new thread and ask people in the area for their opinions.
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January 15, 2013, 07:47:36 PM »
Thanks Scott.
Also, I took some other time today on the site and I see there are entire forums on each individual style which I need to spend some time on. Should have looked further before asking this question. I have a lot to learn and I need to spend some time learning before I can even start to crawl. I'm a pretty reasonable guy. Like everyone else (maybe) I just want to buy an oven and start cooking pies. I see that is not the case and respect that. Upward and onward.
I'm going to research on this site a decent pizza stone setup for my grill and make the transition from the par baked to a more traditional style pie for starters.
Thanks again.
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January 15, 2013, 09:13:25 PM »
You're welcome
Btw, depending on the specs of your home oven, it might be easier to use that to achieve a Sally's type pie, rather than a grill.
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January 16, 2013, 07:41:33 AM »
Those links you gave me were awesome. Knowledge base is growing by the day.
I'm going to spend some time on finding key characteristics (dome height, thermal mass, etc.) of a WFO for making NH and Neapolitan style pies next.
In the meantime I will look into either retrofitting grill with the various products out there such as Brick Oven box, etc. for my current grill and look at my current inhouse oven.
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John MacArthurThe world of 1993 was another time in many significant ways. That was a unique year, strikingly different from the rest of the 20th century—but also nothing at all like the Internet era, which was just about to begin.
History will no doubt always remember the early 1990s as a pivotal time in human history. In 1992, conservative op-ed commentator George Will published a compilation of his newspaper columns written over the prior three years. He titled the anthology Suddenly, which perfectly captured the spirit of the day. Suddenly, confusingly, everything was in flux. Worldly fads and philosophies were changing faster than ever. The changes were global and profound, affecting everything from art to zoology. Ideological changes, societal changes, political changes, and moral changes were the order of the day. The shifting of so many opinions and boundaries all at once was both drastic and disorienting.
No wonder. Every important worldview built on "modern" thought was now utterly discredited. Some of the most basic presuppositions modern secular society had staked out as true and certain were left totally in tatters.
A major turning point had occurred on November 9, 1989, when the Berlin wall fell literally overnight, signaling the failure of European Communism. The end of Lenin's legacy came very quickly—and so did other monumental changes, all with stunning speed. Gorbachev, Glasnost, and the Gulf War dominated the news at the start of the 90s, but the Gulf War ended in early 1991 and the Soviet Union collapsed in August of that same year. Boris Yeltsin boldly defied an attempted coup, took the reins of Russian power, and began the formal dissolution of the Soviet empire.
By 1993, the world was emphatically renouncing the values of the Cold War. We were watching our parents' concept of "modernity" quickly fade in the rear-view mirror. The word postmodernism was just starting to be used here and there in popular discourse—but the set of ideas it stands for were already evident everywhere. Before most people even realized we had witnessed the end of the modern era, postmodern values had completely altered the way the world thinks and talks about truth.
There was, of course, a positive side to the end of modernity. For one thing, many modern presuppositions needed to be debunked—starting with the notion that science and human reason are reliable arbiters of truth and falsehood. Modernity, nicknamed "The Age of Reason" by its earliest advocates, more or less began with a rejection of Scripture's authority and the elevation of the human mind in its place. The fall of every major modern ideology exposed the hubris of that way of thinking, and that was unequivocally a good development.
Besides that, the worldwide remapping of political alliances opened wonderful new opportunities for ministry. I was privileged to make numerous trips to the former Soviet Union, teaching groups of pastors and preaching in Russian and Ukrainian churches. I went at the behest of Soviet Baptists and formed relationships with them that endure strongly to this day. During my earliest visits to that part of the world, I was absolutely amazed to see the strength and vitality of evangelical churches there. Their worship services were the very picture of austere simplicity—just the preaching of the Word and the celebration of the ordinances, totally devoid of the flash and entertainment being touted as essential tools for the times by all the "experts" back home. That got me thinking more deeply than ever about how the Lord builds His church and what it means to be a wise master builder (1 Corinthians 3:10-15).
By the early '90s American evangelicalism was shamelessly imitating virtually every worldly fad. Church leaders and church-growth strategists openly described the gospel as a commodity to be sold at market, and the predictable result was a frantic attempt to make the gospel into the kind of product most buyers wanted. The conventional wisdom was that sophisticated marketing strategies were far more effective than gospel proclamation for reaching the "unchurched" multitudes. No one, it seemed, wanted to challenge that notion, which was buttressed with countless opinion polls. And who could argue with the obvious "success" of several entertainment-oriented megachurches?
Western evangelicals had been gradually losing interest in biblical preaching and doctrinal instruction for decades. The church in America had become weak, worldly, and man-centered. Evangelical ears were itching for something more hip and entertaining than biblical preaching (cf. 2 Timothy 4:3), and business-savvy evangelical pundits declared that it was foolish not to give people what they demanded. Without pragmatic methodologies numerical growth would be virtually impossible, they insisted—even though such pragmatism was manifestly detrimental to spiritual growth.
Churches were starving spiritually while overdosing on entertainment. A few prosperous megachurches masked the tragedy with incredibly large attendance figures, but anyone who took time to examine the trajectory could see that Western evangelicalism was in serious trouble.
By contrast, the beleaguered Iron-Curtain churches were hungry for biblical teaching, steadily gaining spiritual strength, and growing numerically on the strength of bold gospel ministry. After years of communist oppression, they were finally free to preach Christ openly, and that is precisely what they did. They were flourishing as a result.
Most Russian pastors had no formal training, so they sought help from the West in the areas of hermeneutics and doctrine. (That's how I got involved with them.) The most mature and discerning leaders in the Iron-Curtain churches were wary of influences from the West. Frankly, I shared their concern and appreciated their caution. I was convinced that even the weakest of their churches could teach evangelicals in America a lot about the biblical approach to church growth. They understood that no legitimate church-growth strategy should ever fail to recognize the truth of John 15:19-20: "If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you, 'A slave is not greater than his master.' If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they kept My word, they will keep yours also."
When the Iron Curtain fell, however, "missionaries" from the West flooded the former Soviet Union, not so much with gospel-oriented resources and Bible-study tools, but with highly questionable evangelistic strategies—and with the same poisonous philosophy of church growth that had made Western evangelicalism so superficial and worldly. Russian church leaders were appalled that so many tawdry trends came into their culture from the West under the pretense of evangelism. I was offended, too—and embarrassed.I remember watching glitzy American televangelists with comically big hair peddling their health-and-wealth message and other false gospels on Russian television during my earliest trips to Moscow. They probably had little effect on healthy Russian churches, but they injected a seriously false gospel into the public perception, totally confusing millions. Soviet people had been indoctrinated with atheism and shielded from the truth of Scripture. They therefore had no means of distinguishing truth from falsehood in religion. So much false Christianity on television no doubt inoculated multitudes against the real gospel.
I also remember seeing a parade of "student missionaries" from America putting on a variety show in a public square in Kiev, using every circus trick from jugglers to clowns, and every wordless type of entertainment from mimes to interpretive dance, all claiming to communicate "the gospel"—or something spiritual-sounding—across the language barrier. I frankly could not be certain what the actual message was supposed to be. I have a fairly good grasp of the gospel as Scripture presents it, and that was not the message being pantomimed in Independence Square. Again, I was embarrassed for the church in the West.
Back in America, these performances were being reported as serious evangelistic work. Judging from the numbers of supposed converts claimed, we might have expected churches in the Iron-Curtain countries to be doubling and quadrupling on a monthly basis.
Russian and Ukrainian Churches were indeed growing, but the evangelistic buskers and street artists from the West had nothing to do with that. Those churches grew because Russian Christians, now free to proclaim the gospel openly, preached repentance from sin and faith in Christ to their neighbors. The response was remarkable. I sat in many Russian worship services for hours at a time, hearing convert after convert publicly repent—renouncing former sins and declaring faith in Christ to the gathered church, always in standing-room-only crowds. It was the polar opposite of what American church-growth gurus insisted was absolutely necessary. But it was just like watching the book of Acts unfold in real life.
As a matter of fact, most of the Westerners who rushed to the former Soviet Union when communism collapsed missed the real signs of church growth in those years because they completely ignored the churches that were already there. They started parachurch organizations, opted for pure media ministry, sponsored Punch-and-Judy shows in the public square, or tried to start new churches modeled on Western worldly styles. Most of the visible results of that sort of "evangelistic" and church-planting activity proved to be blessedly short-lived.
What did last was by no means all good. Americans injected into that culture a style of worldly evangelicalism that is now gaining traction and causing confusion within the Russian-speaking churches. Those churches that had weathered decades of government harassment and public ridicule now have to contend with something much subtler but a thousand times worse: trendy methods from American evangelicals—gimmicks and novelties that diminish practically everything truly important in favor of things that appeal to people's baser instincts.
By far the most subtle and dangerous Western influences came in through church-growth experts, missiologists, and professional pollsters. Unlike the televangelists and street performers, these academicians managed to gain a platform within Russian-speaking churches. They were trusted because they were writers, career missionaries, seminary professors with credentials, and even pastors. They brought loads of books and ideas, virtually all of them advocating a highly pragmatic approach to ministry that was foreign in every sense to a church that had lived under communist persecution for the better part of a century.
One struggles to imagine anything more grossly inappropriate than the fad-chasing pragmatism that was deliberately injected into Russian and eastern European churches by Westerners tinkering with theories about contextualization. But the influx of shallow evangelicalism into Russia in the early '90s was barely the tip of the iceberg. Thanks to various means of instant, inexpensive mass communications, the stultifying influence of dysfunctional American religion soon inundated the entire world. The Internet in particular suddenly opened the floodgates so that it became impossible to contain and control such nonsense. Within just a few years, evangelical gimmickry became the most visible and influential expression of Western "spirituality" worldwide.
The poison of religious pragmatism is now an enormous global problem.
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I can remember hearing television ministers taking credit for the fall of the Berlin wall. And then , as they still are now, clammering for your money because God needs it to spread the gospel into these new ripe fields. I recall one ministry claiming results where they saw 3 million people saved in just one meeting. However knowing their methods of evangelism, I have a degree of sceptism as to their genuine salvation which I believe to be Biblicaly justified.
This kind of weak presentation of the gospel- it's demands and seriousness is really dangerious in light of scriptures such as - Matt 18:6-7.
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" (Those trends were exactly what prompted me to write this book in the first place.)"
Does anyone know what book this refers to? I assume it is Ashamed of the Gospel, but I can't be sure.
Dr. MacArthur's remarks are right on the mark. I thank God everyday for this man and his willingness to stand up for Truth and to share his incredible knowledge with us. Above all, we must take a stand for Truth!
Upon reading this post, I couldn't help but thinking that the way that John MacArthur is describing America's influence on the world sounds strangely similar to the influence that Mystery Babylon the Great has on the world. Will America meet the same fate that that great city met when it was destroyed in one hour?
Thanks for speaking the Truth! We're missing the main factor in the American church: The Holy Spirit. Does anybody remember him? Hopefully, we'll dump the shows, the marketing plans, and the consultants and re-open our Bibles to once again discover how church is conducted.
God richly bless you Pastor John. I recently found myself excommunicated from a church on the basis that i preach "heresies". Honestly it was a hard time but i have had to keep reminding myself of Christs encouragement in Mt 5 that we are blessed when people persecute us because of Christ and great is our reward.
Now i am looking and praying for a Pure bible teaching church and if anyone can recommend one in london, UK, i would be very appreciative.
I have also lost most of my friends in Christ as they all believe in these BIG churches and all the messages that tingle their ears. The closest i have to friends now are the people who uphold The Word of Christ in these blogs so God bless you and continue to give all who stand for sound doctrine in these days grace, mercy, peace, joy and strength.
It is a global problem,
I live in Indonesia. And I hardly find pure churches here. The pastors become a motivator, the churches testimonies is about how they were blassed. The churches adopt all western book that pleased them (I only find just 1 of John's book here). Please pray for us here. Thanks.
Thank you for these words. Sadly the mass majority of churches have become much like casinos. We put some money in and expect to win big. So-called preachers prey on the hopes and ingnorance of their congregations. Name and claim, health and wealth, they are all the same. They have rotted the church to such a point that the world and the church are now the same. It is sad that the countries where there is severe presecution, almost always have the strongest doctrine. As in the case of Russia as soon as there was some kind of freedom, the church starts to rot. While we will choose to suffer with Christ, we will not choose Christ over our economic freedoms. God help us all.
Dear Pastor MacArthur
Thank you for speaking so honestly. While America has many good things to offer to the rest of the world, on the spiritual realm, other than you and a few other preachers, many of the rest are a negative influence. The influence of many of the health and wealth tele-evangelists are so powerful that if you look at Asia you will find thousands of churches mindlessly following the antics of these wolves in sheep's clothing. Similarly members of their churches are quite happy to surrender their minds to such unsound doctrine leading to disastrous consequences. To the many who are suffering, these preachers offer neither healing nor comfort but despair and hopelessness.
Thank you for speaking the truth and pointing Christians to the narrow gate and narrow path that leads to salvation.
Yes, Ashamed of the Gospel.
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