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April 11, 2013, 12:34:51 AM »
Hi guys,
I m doing a due dilingence to prepare opening a pizza activity in China.
I will need a 3 deck electric oven. I found an incredible range of prices and I m not sure how to make my choice.
For example a good quality US oven like this:
is in the 15-20,000 Dollars range
While in China I can find things like this:
for just a bit more than 1000 dollars!
Of course there are also a lot of options in between...
I know that the quality of the oven makes a difference, but if a chinese oven can give me a reasonable quality I would save a huge amount of money...I could even buy 2 to have a backup in case of failures...
Hope to hear your comments!
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April 11, 2013, 05:48:37 PM »
Bosinuo, you're going to get a few different opinions on this.
Some members, some even from Asia, feel that Chinese ovens are too much of a risk.
I've never met anyone that had a Chinese oven that broke on them, but, at the same time, I have seen ovens that have cut corners on things like stones.
I, personally, don't think there's anything inherently wrong with Chinese ovens. While I'm not a big fan of the wattages, as far as I know, most of the countertop ovens sold in the U.S. are made in China and the build quality isn't breathtaking, but it's sufficient to the task. For all I know, the way U.S. manufacturers are cutting corners, the full size electric decks might be outsourced to China as well.
There's one thing that I would never do when purchasing an oven, and this is applies to any oven, is to purchase it sight unseen. Even an American oven needs to have the tires kicked. A good visual analysis will tell you a lot, such as weld/rivet quality, gauge of materials, and if they're willing to open the panel, you can check the wiring and insulation as well.
What style pizza are you planning on making?
For the $1K oven:
What are the internal dimension for each deck?
Does it have separate controls for the top and bottom elements on each deck?
What material is the hearth? How thick is the hearth?
I'm seeing a metal seam running down the middle of the hearth which doesn't instill a great deal of confidence. A good oven should have stones that are adjacent to each other. The metal seam, from the photo looks to be a bit twisted as well and isn't flush.
Are you handy and/or know someone that is? If something did turn out to be defective with the oven would you know a sheet metal worker or electrician that could fix it? I'm not saying you have to be handy, but it wouldn't hurt should you go with the lesser known oven.
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April 12, 2013, 01:13:43 AM »
Hi Scott,
thanks a lot for your comments!
I am planning to make squared Italian-style pizza-by-the-slice (i.e., "pizza al taglio"), like the one that is very popular in Rome.
Regarding the oven, I got some extra information by the supplier:
- the ovens are built to order and they can adjust the dimensions according to requirements. The standard, which should work well for me, is that each deck can fit two 60cmx40cm trays.
- The oven has independent controls for top and bottom heat pipes, for each deck
- The heart material (btw, what is the heart of the oven?) is S/S201. The heart thickness is 0.6 mm
I have to say I m not very handy, but here in China I ve no problem to find specialized workers of any kind.
I actually just learned about an interesting thing. The supplier can also produce a small 1-deck, 1-tray, 4kW oven with the same technology and materials. the price is super cheap, around 300$. I thought about buying it and keeping it in my house to check the quality of the machine and possibly make some pizza experiments. However, some guy advised me not to do it, as my home electrical system is 220V, 20A, i.e. 4.4kW and he told me that this oven could blow all my system up. Any opinion on this?
Best Wishes,
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April 12, 2013, 08:15:20 AM »
The hearth is the stone that the pizza bakes on. Stone = hearth = floor. Are you certain about that measurement? Those stones have to be thicker than .6mm. If they're .6cm, that's too thin also, imo. A commercial oven should have stones that are at least 3 cm.
I should have noticed this before, but I see that the heating elements extend outside the cooking chamber. I've never seen this in a pizza oven and I question both the safety and the longevity of this configuration. The cooking chamber is where the heat should be, with the outside of the chamber being well insulated- both to keep the outside of the unit from getting hot, but also to protect the wiring. You don't want a hot element anywhere near wiring, as the coating for wiring is only rated to a particular temperature. I'd have to see behind the side panels to know what's going on re; insulation and wiring, but the fact that the elements go through holes in the cooking chamber is a very bad sign. Perhaps proper element placement could be part of the built to order aspect.
What are the standard internal dimensions on the 3 deck and the smaller 1 deck? The height of the chamber is important as well.
I would speak to both an electrician and the manufacturer about installing this oven in a home. If it were in the U.S., I'd check and see if my electrical panel could handle the additional amps, and, if it could, I'd install a 220V 25A (or maybe 30A) circuit breaker and run the appropriate gauge wire to the oven. But that's the U.S. China could be a different story. Do you have fuses or circuit breakers? Do you know the service (total number of amps) coming into your home?
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April 12, 2013, 08:33:51 AM »
Hi again!
I m pretty sure the 0.6mm is the thickness of the external steel structure. I ll ask about the stone soon.
Regarding the heating elements and insulation, I got a picture of a semi-finished product that could help understand better. I attach it here.
Regarding my home, I have 220V 20A that should make 4.4kW. The oven is 4, so it should be enough if i turn everything else off. However I heard that when I turn on the oven i could have a discharge higher than 20A that could break the system. Is it true?
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April 12, 2013, 09:21:07 AM »
I need to see where the heating rods end along with the insulation (and it's relation to the wiring) to know for certain.
From what I've read, you want to stay below 80% load on an electrical circuit. This is to allow surges, such as when you turn the oven on. That means that if the oven is drawing 4 kw (from the literature, I think it's actually 4.4 kw), then you'd want a 5 kw circuit. Like I said, that's 25A. If your panel can handle it, installing a 25A breaker and running the appropriate wiring, depending on where you want the oven in your home, shouldn't be that big of a job. Talk to an electrician.
It's been a while since I purchased copper wire, so I may be wrong on this, but, if you put this oven on the same floor/in relatively close proximity to your electrical panel and you're not running a huge amount of wire, and, as you said, you have access to an inexpensive electrician, you might be able to wire this for less than $100. If that is the case, we'd still need more information about wiring, insulation and stone thickness, but, if that pans out, this is definitely worth $400 to play around with.
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April 12, 2013, 09:25:48 AM »
got it! Thanks a lot Scott!
I ll try to find the missing information and make my decision soon!
All the Best,
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April 12, 2013, 10:18:16 AM »
I have an oven and mixer from China.
I bought them sight unseen and they work fine.
My mixer has been used every day for a year without any trouble.
The control unit for the top burner of one oven needed to be replaced. It cost me $7.
You just have to accept that the mechanical finish is not going to be very good. After installation, you should probably spend a day grinding burrs and tightening screws and bolts.
Importing an American oven into China is out of the question. It can't be done.
The company you are looking at on Alibaba is not the manufacturer, they are a trading company. Almost all kitchen equipment is OEM and it's best to deal directly with the manufacturer. I would recommend you use a company with at least 3 years of history with Alibaba. Having contacts and/or acquaintances on the ground in China helps you avoid expensive pitfalls.
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April 14, 2013, 11:05:46 PM »
Thanks for your suggestion La sera! It makes a lot of sense.
I found a machinery market in Beijing and I ll go visit it soon. It will probably be more expensive but at least I can touch the oven with my hands.
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Just wanted to sayThank You for your webcam. We Love Cozumel and miss it so much. It is nice to be able to look at the webcam every day and see what is happening and the beautiful water. Your website has also been very helpful when planning our trips. Keep up the good work.
amy ~ southern Utah
What a great Experience!!! We booked our excursions through this website with a slight bit of apprehension. We figured it would be safer to book through our cruise ship since this was our first time going to Cozumel. Boy am I so thankful we didn't. Our cruise ship (which we thoroughly enjoyed) had many excursions organized with tons of people in each excursion. By booking through INSIDER we were definitely given smaller groups to be with. We did the Atlantis Submarine excursion and we saved almost 100 dollars right there!!! We also booked a Resort Scuba with Eagle Ray Divers. We had 1-on-1 attention with Antonio (the owner), our own boat to go out on, and got personalized attention with the lesson/dive. I know if we had booked on the cruise ship there probably would've been many other people ...
Also, we originally booked a car rental for that Saturday morning. Jacqueline @ Cozumel Insider, called us at home prior to our cruise to inform us of some minor scheduling changes. She then suggested that the rental car may not be neccessary due to our number of excursions and our limited time. Due to her advice we cancelled our car rental which was the wise thing to do. This shows that this company has a lot of integrity and is not out there just to make a buck on the unsuspecting tourist. Next year we will definitely book through Cozumel Insider, we will recommend this company to all our friends, and we plan on booking with Antonio for more scuba next time!!!!
M Carson ~ Tullahoma, Tennesseee
I just wanted to say that I am happy that you featured Rentadora ISiS in this edition. Every time we go to Cozumel we ALWAYS rent from Margarita. Her cars are kept in good condition and her prices destroy all other rental agencies. We will be renting from her again and again. She is a joy to work with. If you ever have someone that needs a testimony from a fellow American, give them my email address!
D. Huber (December 2015) ~ USA
Had a great time liberating baby turtles ~ Will be back to do it again!
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Just wanted to thank COZUMELINSIDER for getting us booked for our activities while we were in Cozumel. The dolphin swim was fantastic! I'd do it again in a minute. We didn't get to do the SNUBA diving ..... we ended up doing the Helmet dive instead for the same price. We plan on visiting Cozumel again possibly next year and will be contacting you to book some excursions prior to our vacation. We saved a significant amount of money booking the excursions through COZUMELINSIDER instead of the cruise line. Thanks again!
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edit: wgp nightkast is pending to drewav if this sells then I'm closing this so thanks for looking and offering!
Hello techpb I have for sale today my wgp nightkast pump. I've had no problems with it except putting the bolt in upside down I've lubed it and cleaned it after every day of play and recently sweet spotted it. I'd like at least $200 because I bought it for $250 and it's barely used. I don't have much to add though. I value trades higher than money so offer up! Thanks for looking
Marker: WGP Nightkast
Condition: 9.752/10 (used 2 times, no visible wear)
Color: red and black
Upgrades: none
Known Problems: none, sweet-spotted it the other day
Asking Price:
Shipping Options: Will discuss
Trades of interest: offer
Location of item: 95618
What is Included: gun, app 50 rd hopper, modded dye 50 rd pod, barrel
next up is my phantom, just got this from erg993 (a moderator) and now I'm selling it! hehe I'm not in a huge hurry to sell, if my other gun sells then I'm taking this one down so offer up! I also have absolutely no money to add so don't even offer, also don't offer any low-ends. I may consider another pump but as you can see I'm trying to sell 2 so unless it's highly in my favor (s6.5) don't offer please, other than that feel free to offer! Also I'll take more pics upon request
Marker: cci phantom
Condition: 8/10
Color: purple and black acid wash
Upgrades: 12 gram changer and l-stock
Known Problems: some scratches
Asking Price: 260 obo
Shipping Options: Will discuss
Trades of interest: offer
Location of item: 95618
What is Included: everything pictured
thanks for looking!
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Here's how RW members rated this race in the past (134 votes).
In short: Brilliant race, fast course, superbly marshalled, great organisation, friendly atmosphere, Date of review: November 30, 2008
In short: Great, well organised and friendly raceDate of review: November 30, 2008
In short: Slightly dull two lap race, but well organised and good PB potentialDate of review: November 30, 2008
In short: Well organized but a bit wetIn full: And, of course, the organizers can't do anything about the weather. Other than that: very well organized, great support from the marshalls - THANK YOU to them for braving the weather. The course is not particularly scenic, and today it was rather slippy in places, but apart from one short incline really quite fast. Lovely tea and cake at the finish - and I always like a T-shirt!Date of review: November 30, 2008
In short: Good race, well-organised and all the important things done well.In full: I don't know why but I find this course never brings out the best in me. Perhaps too many twists and turns and not quite as flat as you expect. The spectators looked miserable in the cold and the rain. Well done to the marshalls and officials for being out in that!Date of review: November 30, 2008
In short: Shame about the weather! In full: Freezing cold, wet and muddy - but made up for by cheery and good marshalling. Difficult to PB as I couldn't overtake on the narrow footpaths (and was worried about slipping on the muddy grass!) but didn't do too badly considering. Array of cakes at the end made it all worthwhile!Date of review: November 30, 2008
In short: Nice rice, not sure about the stretch along the A4 though!In full: I did enjoy it in parts but didn't enjoy going around again, that was a bit boring. Also the stretch along the A4 wasn't very nice. However, the marshals were nice and the atmospher was quite good and it was well organised.Date of review: January 17, 2008
In short: My first 10k and I really enjoyed it. Well organised and friendly - I'll be back next year.Date of review: December 3, 2007
In short: A good well organised race, always nice to have a shower afterwardDate of review: November 30, 2007
In short: Well organised and friendlyIn full: Well organised, started on time, very friendly. Plenty of space to change in the school and efficient bag storage. 2 flat laps around the village, although overtaking tricky in places on narrow paths.Would definitely do it again.Date of review: November 29, 2007
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Teachers' unions are on the defensive, writes New York Times columnist Frank Bruni. Hollywood's upcoming Won't Back Down — heroic mother teams with idealistic teacher to take over a low-performing school — shows how negatively teachers unions are viewed, he writes.
"When did Norma Rae get to be the bad guy?" asks a union leader (Holly Hunter) in the movie. I don't know, but that's indeed the state of play when it comes to teachers' unions, and it's a dangerous one.
The parents Bruni knows are draining their bank accounts to pay private school tuition, but most families can't afford it. Ninety percent of children attend public schools.
The teachers' unions are unhappy with President Obama's education secretary, Arne Duncan, writes Bruni. They don't like the policies promoted by Race to the Top. At the local level, top Democrats are bucking the unions.
In Chicago, Philadelphia, Los Angeles and other cities, Democratic mayors have feuded bitterly with teachers' unions and at times come to see them as enemies. And at a meeting of the United States Conference of Mayors in June, Democratic mayors joined Republican ones in a unanimous endorsement of so-called parent trigger legislation, about which unions have serious reservations. These laws, recently passed in only a few states but being considered in more, abet parent takeovers of underperforming schools, which may then be replaced with charter schools run by private entities.
Teachers' unions have hurt their reputations by defending teachers' tenure and seniority rights without regard to the welfare of their students, writes Bruni. "We were focused — as unions are — on fairness and not as much on quality," American Federation of Teachers chief Randi Weingarten conceded in a phone interview.
The unions have also run afoul of the grim economic times. "In the private sector, nobody's got any security about anything," said Charles Taylor Kerchner, a professor of education at Claremont Graduate University. So the unions' fights over pay raises and pensions, he said, made previously routine negotiations "look like pigs at the trough."
When Hollywood steps in, it means the intellectual debate is over, writes Jay Greene.
. . . the teacher unions are finally being treated as the special interest group they are rather than as credible players in the discussion over the merits of various education policies. When Campbell Brown takes on the unions the game is over.
The unions are still quite powerful and policy battles will continue to rage, Greene writes. But a big political and cultural shift has occurred.
Norma Rae is the bad guy.


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In the past few years devices that combine the technologies of GPS and satellite communication have become popular, with increasing use in the aviation community as an alternate way to either track your flight, or call for help. A little over a year ago AOPA and the Alaska Airmen's Association started working with the Alaska Flight Service Program, to explore the possibility of integrating devices such as SPOT and Spidertracks into the flight plans we file. The idea that a distress call, including your current location, could go straight to Flight Service, and be forwarded to search and rescue, seemed like an improvement on today's procedure of waiting for a flight plan to become overdue, especially if your ELT failed to function during the landing.
The idea was well received by the FAA who then started working on the many details needed to develop procedures. Initially Adam White, President of the Airmen's Association, and I, along with a couple of Flight Service staff members who own one of these devices, generated some "alert" messages, to evaluate the system. Now, after a season of testing and refinement, the Alaska FSS is to the point of needing a few more pilots to participate in the "beta-testing" phase of this system. To be clear, Flight Service does not track any aircraft, but has the ability to receive an alert or help message when activated by the pilot. Upon receipt of a help message, FSS will validate it against a flight plan, and forward the necessary information, including your location, to search and rescue authorities.
Currently, we are looking for about a dozen pilots who:
- have either a SPOT or Spidertracks unit
- are willing to establish (or update) a Master Flight Plan with their home Flight Service Station and,
- would be willing to participate in controlled tests to help Flight Service exercise the system.
We hope to find a few people in each of the three AFSS regions of the state (served by the Juneau, Kenai and Fairbanks Flight Service, or one of the satellite facilities in other locations).
If you are willing to be involved in the program, please contact Tom George ([email protected]) or Adam White ([email protected]) for more details. We hope this testing will go quickly, and allow Flight Service to offer this new service to all interested pilots across Alaska!


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Release date: 11/22/2013
Raleigh: Grants totaling $1.8 million will go to improve water quality, protect North Carolina's waterways and wildlife habitat, and help farmers with environmental management, Attorney General Roy Cooper announced today.
"North Carolina is fortunate to be home to many natural treasures," Cooper said. "These grants will help preserve and protect these areas so they can be enjoyed by future generations for decades to come."
The grants are the eleventh in a series awarded to environmental projects under a settlement reached in 2000 between the Attorney General's Office and Smithfield Foods, the world's largest pork producer. Under the agreement, Smithfield agreed to provide $50 million over 25 years to improve the environment and $15 million to North Carolina State University to fund development of new technologies for the processing and treatment of hog waste.
Since the Environmental Enhancement Grant Program began, Cooper has awarded more than $21 million to 84 projects. Projects supported by the grants have resulted in the closure of 213 animal waste lagoons, restoration or conservation of more than 20,000 acres of natural areas and wildlife habitat, and the funding of environmental education and research initiatives.
The following projects were selected to receive grants this year to help enhance North Carolina's environment:
The Wildlife Resources Commission has been awarded $400,000 to create, enhance, or maintain 2,000 acres of priority wildlife habitats on North Carolina farms. With the cooperation of poultry and livestock producers, the Wildlife Resources Commission will educate landowners and resource professionals about installing and maintaining early successional vegetative buffers to enhance water quality and biodiversity.
The Nature Conservancy has been awarded $300,000 to acquire and protect forested buffers in the Black River Basin. This grant will help acquire 380 acres of bottomland hardwood forest including a grove of 1,700 year-old cypress trees along the Black River and its tributaries in Sampson and Pender counties.
The North Carolina Coastal Land Trust will receive $300,000 to enhance water quality, conserve and restore wetlands, and protect wildlife habitat in Columbus County. The Coastal Land Trust will acquire 300 acres of bottomland hardwood and cypress gum swamp along the Waccamaw River, a portion of which will be transferred to the North Carolina Division of Parks and Recreation for inclusion in the Lake Waccamaw State Park, pending State approval.
The NC Foundation of Soil & Water Conservation won a grant of $300,000 to close inactive animal waste lagoons. The Foundation plans to close at least 10 inactive lagoons and provide training on implementation standards and closure plan development to 75 soil and water conservation district employees.
The NC Coastal Federation has been awarded $210,419 to restore three acres of tidal marsh and floodplain along Ward Creek in Carteret County. By reducing agricultural runoff, the Coastal Federation hopes to restore prime shellfish growing waters and reopen portions of the White Oak River Basin currently closed to shellfish harvesting.
The Tar River Land Conservancy will receive $155,000 to protect water quality and wildlife habitat in Franklin County. The Land Conservancy will permanently protect 84 acres on Fishing Creek, Wolfpen Branch and the Tar River, which supply drinking water for Warrenton, Enfield, Louisburg, Rocky Mount and Tarboro.
The Pamlico-Tar River Foundation will receive $101,485 to implement the Greens Mill Run Local Watershed Plan, reducing stormwater volume and nutrient contributions from East Carolina University's main campus. The project will serve as an educational demonstration of proper management techniques for urban stormwater runoff.
The Attorney General's Office is currently accepting applications for the next round of Environmental Enhancement Grants. Letters of intent from those planning to apply for a grant are due by 5:00 PM on Monday, December 2 and proposals are due by 11:00 AM on Friday, January 17, 2014. To learn more or apply for a grant, visit www.ncdoj.gov/EEG.aspx.
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Alaska memories: NomePosted Sunday, January 27, 2008, at 5:15 PM
I took this photo of a dead walrus on the beach at Nome, Alaska back in the early 70's. That's my cousin Barbie standing beside him, in order to give a perspective of his size. The tide had gone out for the first time in 20 years, so Barbie and I were collecting beach glass that day. The Eskimo children had been using the walrus as a trampoline earlier in the week.
I'm bad about taking a photo out of an album and carrying it off to show it to someone. Obviously, I did that with the dead walrus picture, because that spot in the album has been empty for years. I found the photo while I was looking for something else (as usual).
The photo shows my cousin Barbie Toombs standing beside the carcass of the dead walrus. I don't know how he died; in fact, I don't know if anybody knew why he died, but someone had cut out his tusks (quite valuable, even back in the early 70's), and they had also taken that long bone called (if I remember right) an oosik. I don't intend to tell you what part of the walrus that is, since I'm sure I'd get in trouble with the boss for that racey piece of information.
Alaskans - particularly the Eskimos and the Indians - are an "earthy" bunch, who aren't easily embarrassed by anything in nature. I remember watching Johnny Carson ask one of them about the oosik he was holding on his show one night. Johnny was quite serious, when he asked if the bone was a "tusk." His expression was priceless, when he heard the answer - I do believe he turned several shades of red (which were most becoming on Johnny, as was everything else. Sweet man!)
Anyway - on to my story.
My husband and I were in that Bering Sea town so he could inspect the new high school that Toombs & Co. was building for the State. (This was the beginning of a push to use the oil money to build new schools in the bush villages.) My cousins Bob and Barb spent the summer in Nome, supervising the construction of the school, which (by the way) was a million dollar building, built for 8 high school students. Needless to say, the whole community was going to use it for a multitude of purposes.
While we were there, the big news was the fact that the tide had gone out for the first time in 20 years. Barb and I went down to the beach to look for whatever treasures hadn't already been gleaned by the locals. In addition to the beach glass - shards of colored glass polished by the sand - we found old doorknobs and mysterious items which we speculated had fallen from the ships that dared passage in those cold northern waters.
Then there was the dead walrus, significantly bloated into balloon form. Barbie said that the local newspaper had a photo of the school children using the walrus as a trampoline! See what I mean? "Earthy!"
In fact, it was perfectly legal for one of the locals to take the tusks and oosik, as long as they were Native Alaskans. If a white man took them, that would be illegal, though I have no idea what the punishment was for this offense. Only natives were allowed to own raw ivory and other such natural items. Non-natives could buy the items, only after native artisans had done the delicate scrimshaw etchings on them - or carved them into little polar bears, seals, and other such touristy designs.
The buildings in Nome were a mad collection of multi-colored bits and pieces, mostly old, with no care taken as to how anything looked. It was all strictly utilitarian. The grocery store sold the usual items, with the addition of a most interesting meat section. I'm pretty sure I took a photo of that, if I can find it. The most uniquely Alaskan item was muktuk, pieces of whale skin and blubber, a delicacy which was eaten raw and chopped up in a number of recipes, in addition to being eaten like candy. Muktuk was very high in vitamin C, so it was an important part of a wintertime diet.
I had a student who once gave a speech on how to make Eskimo Ice Cream, which consisted of muktuk and native blueberries. Not sure if it had sugar in it, but if it did, that had to be a later addition.
Other interesting items of local color: We watched some natives working with a reindeer herd on the wide, sweeping slopes outside Nome. We were surprised to learn that the "fences" were nothing but some sort of lightweight material, suspended from very tall poles. The fences were incredibly tall but completely insubstantial: The whole point was to keep the reindeer from jumping over the fence. They obviously would not test it to see if they could break through it.
As I sit here at my computer, looking out at the white fog of a Southeast Missouri Sunday morning, these Alaskan memories seem no more than a distant dream...
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My goodness. I had to get out my Atlas to look up Nome. My Jack London memories had it on the western coast, but it's further north than I thought. Brrrrrr.
It still amazes me that there are so many places in Alaska that can't be reached by roads. What adventures you had. One of my dear friend's husband was the chief of police in Barrow, Alaska for a while. He loved it, she hated it. (Must be a man thing - see your earlier blog.)
I'll have to enjoy Alaska from the pages of a book, or via DVD. Someday, I do hope to take a cruise of the inside passage. That would hardly be very earthy, however.
-- Posted by Ducky on Mon, Jan 28, 2008, at 12:56 PM
I just did a little internet research on oosiks and it turns out that it's a Southern tradition for women to carry a raccoon oosik in their purse! One website says, "It makes a great toothpick." Yuck!! Double Yuck!! I think I'll stick with wooden toothpicks, thanks, and let the raccoon keep his... ahem... oosik.
-- Posted by Youngest Child on Mon, Jan 28, 2008, at 4:09 PM
I saw that episode of Johnny Carson! After he regained his composure, and the audience stopped laughing, he rapped the oosik on the desk once, and said, "Is it always that hard? ...Lucky devil!"
-- Posted by goat lady on Mon, Jan 28, 2008, at 5:15 PM
Ducky, there are a number of interesting towns/cities in Alaska that are not accessible to the outside world by by a year-around road. About 50 miles directly south of Nome on the Bering Sea is Hooper Bay. The closest inland city to Hooper Bay (and Nome) is Bethel, about 150 miles away, and which is only accessible by air. In spite of its isolation, Hooper Bay has been described as the most civilized city in the United States. Why? Because it is the only city in the US that by law prohibits its police force from carrying firearms. The firearm prohibition necessitates the police to diffuse domestic arguments, bar fights, etc., by using non-violent dispute resolution techniques -- instead of having the option of threatening to shoot a person. There is of course, no prohibition on citizens from having firearms, which many people use to hunt for food. In England and other countries many police officers don't carry firearms, so Hooper Bay's gun prohibition isn't as radical as it seems. It works for them, and it has for decades.
-- Posted by FJGuy on Tue, Jan 29, 2008, at 6:55 PM
FJGuy, I think most everything about Alaska is interesting. Even their weather - I just don't want to experience it.
I have relatives in Fairbanks, Sitka and a charming sounding town called Clam Gulch, which is on the Kenai Penninsula. One cousin's wife had to shoot a nuisance bear (it was REALLY being a persistent nuisance and she had small children). Another cousin's wife has trouble keeping the moose spit off one of their downstairs windows that apparently holds some fascination for a neighboring moose. Another relative had an old native gent try to take her by the arm and lead her away from her husband. Still another's snow mobile left a strip of clear water the width of the tracks in the ice when he was crossing a frozen river just a little bit too late in the spring - he had to drive over 200 miles out of his way to avoid having to cross back on his way home.
The stories I've read and heard are totally fascinating. That must be the draw that lures people from the lower 48 to make that leap of faith to move there. More power to them. They're much stronger spirits than I. As one of my Aussie friends would say "Good on ya," Ms Madeline.
-- Posted by Ducky on Wed, Jan 30, 2008, at 12:28 PM
That no firearm thing wouldn't work very well in most major cities in the continental United States.
When I retire, someday I am going to take my snow shovel on my back head South. When someone asks me what it is; that is where I am going to retire.
-- Posted by I.B. Le Truth on Wed, Jan 30, 2008, at 6:30 PM
Oops, I.B., you may end up in Mexico!! Haha! I can't see that happening!!
However, my family used to live in Abilene, Texas, and we rarely ever saw the mud puddles freeze, much less see snow!
-- Posted by goat lady on Thu, Jan 31, 2008, at 8:32 AM
I was just a kid when we lived there, and I liked it very much. Even back then, they seemed to have had good schools (or at least good teachers). My early years in education left me with good reading skills, especially.
I didn't even mind the sand storms, but Mom didn't feel the same about it. She hated trying to keep the floors clean, as I recall...
I also didn't mind the sticker burr yard we had, except that it ruined the tires of my bicycle!
My favorite part was the horned toads that ran everywhere. My brothers, cousins and I used to catch them and have races. My cousins even took a shoebox full of the little critters back to Missouri on the train with them. My Aunt Nell reported finding one the next year!! How it lived through a Missouri winter is beyond me!
-- Posted by goat lady on Thu, Jan 31, 2008, at 1:25 PM
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As Dead Animals Pile Up, BP Tries to Wipe Up Oil Slick With Paper Towels
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Dead sea creatures are washing ashore, including endangered sea turtles and dolphins. This is one of the dolphin corpses that washed ashore.
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Meanwhile, offshore, live dolphins are getting dangerous close to beaching themselves in an effort to escape the toxic spill.
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BP is trying to clean up the spill by dumping "paper towels" -- special oil absorbant paper-based pads -- on the beach. BP and government officials are reportedly banning the media from unauthorized visits to coastal parks.
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Dolphins, sea turtles, and sea birds are dying from the spill; as are local businesses
Marine scientists following wildlife in The Gulf of Mexico say they are witnessing a bizarre and perhaps unprecedented
exodus of wildlife
. The creatures are fleeing the thick layers of oil and dispersants that are washing ashore from the wreck of BP's
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Dolphins and whales, who can suffer organ damage, brain damage, fertility issues, and even death from exposure to the toxic vapors, are swimming into shallow waters, putting themselves in danger of being beached. Meanwhile, m
, crabs, rays, small fish, and oil-drenched sea birds are fleeing into the swamps surrounding the Gulf Coast.
Unfortunately the overcrowding may result in the creatures dying anyways from lack of oxygen or being picked off by hungry predators. But the animals have little choice. States Larry Crowder, a Duke University marine biologist, "A parallel would be: Why are the wildlife running to the edge of a forest on fire? There will be a lot of fish, sharks, turtles trying to get out of this water they detect is not suitable."
So far 783 birds, 353 turtles and 41 mammals (dolphins and whales) have died as a result of the spill. There have been conflicting reports on the death tolls; some estimates from wildlife officials this week (such as a Monday morning interview aired on National Public Radio) claim much higher totals of dead sea birds -- as many as 2,000.
The deaths are tragic, but still have yet to approach the loss of life that resulted when the
Exxon Valdez
spilled its cargo of oil off the coast of Alaska in 1989. That spill killed an estimated 250,000 birds and 2,800 otters.
Wildlife aren't the only thing dying in the region. Scores of local businesses that rely on tourism, seafood, or boating are also also collapsing or close to collapse.
Under pressure from President Obama
, BP has set up a compensation fund to pay off those who lost business, but it is not clear yet how fully or quickly claims are being filled.
Meanwhile an interesting twist has come in the cleanup attempts. As BP waits for the completion of a lengthy relief well drilling operation, it has reportedly resorted to dropping oil absorbant paper-based pads on the shore that its workers refer to as "paper towels".
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get pictures
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Some (such as the anchors on NPR's Friday "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me") have criticized the fact that BP is cutting down trees to clean up the marine disaster. Perhaps the use of "paper towels" shouldn't come as a surprise, though -- in the past BP has compared plugging the leaking well to
plugging up a toilet
Another point raised by McClelland is that BP contractors and government officials with state Department(s) of Wildlife and Fisheries have cordoned off the sea shore at wildlife shores and manned it with security guards to try to prevent reporters from unauthorized exploration the scene. According to NPR radio, when contacted the officials claimed that they were indeed allowing reporters to check out the shore, but you merely had to apply for permits. They say that unauthorized access could endanger the cleanup. McClelland obviously gained access by other means, though -- his kayak.
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After a dramatic arrest on Tuesday, Kawailani Makaena was in court on Thursday.
Police had been after Makaena on suspicion of car theft. He has a long history of mostly traffic offenses, including driving under the influence and was previously convicted of car theft. Makaena is being held on contempt charges from previous arrests and they are the reason he was in court Thursday.
Witness Demont Conner said Tuesday was an afternoon he won't forget.
A highway crash, a frantic chase, then a community coming together to take down a suspect.
Conner said he was driving in the right lane of Farrington Highway, Waianae bound, and just before Lualualei Navel Road, he noticed in his rear-view mirror, a white vehicle approaching fast. Shortly after, he said that vehicle quickly swerved into the left lane and eventually into oncoming, town-bound traffic.
"He just smashed right into the car and kind of bounce(d) back and right there, the doors open, couple guys came out," Conner said.
He said he immediately thought accident and told his wife to call 911 while he pulled over to assist.
"And as I got out, I heard a girl saying, 'Eh, catch 'em, catch 'em. They trying to run away. They trying to run away.'"
Conner said the vehicle's passenger took off, but that the driver was boxed in by several witnesses, including him.
"Everybody just came together like a community and we just came and surrounded the guy and he got taken to the ground."
A few moments later, Conner said a man in a yellow shirt rushed to the scene and identified himself as an undercover officer. As for the passenger, he ssaid police eventually caught up with him and both were arrested shortly after.
From what he could see, Conner said no one was seriously hurt in Tuesday's wild scene in Nanakuli.


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My son (3yrs) just started going to a mother's day out program one day per week. They have the kids lay down for a nap at 1:00, and turn on a video at 1:30 for the kids who didn't fall asleep. The movie plays until pick-up time at 2:30, and they are expected to stay on their mat and remain quiet for the whole 90 minutes. My son is the only one in the class right now who just can't do it. He gave up naps ages ago, and just truly isn't interested in television (I've actually tried to get him to sit through a show, but he just doesn't care for tv). So, he wandered around the room the first two times, and they will not allow him to do that anymore. I have him in the program (which is a really good one - I just love the director and his teachers) so that 1. he has an opportunity to play with other kids and 2. so I get a break. I'm thinking about just picking him up at 1:00 - it's not like I'm busy or he's missing out on any learning or even any play time - but I'm not sure if I will be sending the "rules are for everyone else and if I don't like it, Mommy will rescue me" message, or if it's the right thing to do because it will avoid problems at his school. Any thoughts???
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- Mar 2008
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dedra---leader, api of stark co., ohio
MomMom and devoted wife to 3 creatures of delight
using the t.v. to keep kids quiet does not seem like quality education to me. if your kid's not a napper, he's just not and it seems to me like they don't respect that quality in him (and probably other kids, too). have you talked to them about a compromise? can he read books? can he do some other quiet activity? is there another room where kids who don't nap can go?
i don't see anything wrong w/being your child's advocate. i believe the message you're sending him is that you respect his needs and are working on ways to solve problems together.
When I went to pick him up Wed., there were only 2-3 kiddos awake - 6-7 still asleep, so I think they are trying to please the majority and not disturb the sleepers. I bet if they had a larger staff and more rooms (this is a very very small program) they would take the non-nappers out.
I thought about putting him in an actual preschool where they are there to teach a specific curriculum, but decided to go with the place that gave me a warm fuzzy feeling instead - it really is a great MDO program. (and they use non-punative discipline - Sam would totally freak if he had to go to "time-out", he has no concept of this)
I think I will go and get him early and maybe talk to the director about working out an alternative in the future. It could be that they have a larger staff in the fall and scale down for the summer, who knows????
I worry about the "rules are for others" message because I have a sister who does this to her kids. They are older (10, 12, 15, 16) and have never had to take responsibility for anything themselves - it's not good, and I don't want my kids to be as ill-prepared for the world as my neices/nephews seem to be (except 16 - she's typical oldest). I know - there is a world of difference between 3 and 10.
OK - I feel good about not making him do something he's not truly able to do. =)
Personally, I would encourage him to obey the rules. When he goes to school, he will have rules that there aren't exceptions for. IF I felt that he is really incapable of following the rules, I would start small. Pick him up at 1:30 so that he has to obey for 30 minutes, and see if you can lengthen the time. This way it isn't 90 minutes straight that he has to sit there, but only 30. This is a good opportunity to explain that everywhere you go has rules, and sometimes, even if we don't like them, we have to obey them.
I think the main concerns in this situation are:
a) Are their rest time rules acceptable to you? ie. do you think it's okay that he must lay and watch TV for an hour? (Or, if they're willing to modify them, are their modified rules acceptable to you?)
b) Is your son ABLE to comply with their requests?
As far as your concern that he will think "rules are for others" I would personally not be overly worried about that scenario because he is quite young and he has and will have many opportunities to learn how to follow rules in his life. For instance do you have rules that you follow at home, at the store, at grandma's house? I don't think this one situation will outweigh the many times he will have to follow the rules. You mention that your niece and nephew NEVER have to take responsiblilty. I think that it is the "NEVER" part that is the problem.
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Naomi- Leader API of Frederick MD
Mother to O (4yrs) and E (1.5)
Hi, I am speaking to this as a former child care provider also,
I think it is unacceptable that the other children cannot get up and do quiet things on the other side of the room (reading books, coloring etc.) I would almost understand if there was only one person but you mention there is three! The TV rest period has been used usually by places where there is ONE childcare provider and that time is for her rest. If there is three they should trade breaks!
I think if you want, pick him up at 1 and bring him home. You are not 'saving him' from not following the rules. You are in a postion of being able to remove him from substandard care (at that momment, the rest of the time you like you said). Please exercise your power! Most people do not understand a child who is not hypnotized by the TV so they may not be able to conceptualize HOW this is happening either. They should have an option for children not resting. What is the child to staff ratio? What are the ages of other children? When my son was 3 he no longer napped....what is the age appropriate outlet for non-nappers? With 3 staff I think that is awful...not just TV but that there is no other thing to do!
There are 2 teachers in the room and I think there are 10 enrolled in the class. They are 3 and 4yrs. I think I will use a combo approach and speak with his teachers this week, but also come and get him early. Maybe 1:30 as Petie suggested. I'm not sure what was meant by "not allowed to wander during quiet time". I should get that clarified - they don't punish kids, so maybe they would call and have the parent come and get a child who was horribly disruptive or destructive (which he's just not by nature) which is what I'm thinking about anyways, just not for that reason. It will work out, as all things do. THanks for the input!


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On July 19, 2010, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton held a bilateral meeting with Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi in Islamabad, Pakistan. The meeting was a continuation of the U.S.-Pakistan Strategic Dialogue. Secretary Clinton and Foreign Minister Qureshi addressed the following sectors and programs:
The United States will provide $120 million dollars to four organizations for humanitarian and post conflict assistance.
The New Communications and Historic Preservation Initiative will strengthen cooperation between new technologies, enhance mutual understanding among our diplomats, and support the preservation of Pakistan's national heritage.
Secretary Clinton announced $21 million in USAID-supported projects to boost Pakistan's agricultural productivity and to open new market opportunities.
Pakistan's private sector will receive assistance to promote broad-based and private sector-led economic growth and job creation for Pakistani people.
Phase II of the Signature Energy Program will provide an additional $60 million for seven projects to be implemented by USAID, the U.S. Trade & Development Agency (USTDA), the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), and the U.S. Department of Commerce.
The Signature Health Program is a three-year, $28 million health program for Pakistan.
The Signature Water Program seeks to improve Pakistan's ability to increase efficient management and use of its scarce water resources and improve water distribution.
The U.S.-Pakistan Gender Equity Program is a five-year, $40 million Gender Equity Program to be funded by USAID aimed at advancing women's rights and empowerment in Pakistan.
Read the Secretary's remarks and follow her travels here.