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Let me respond to some feedback that appeared in a different forum. I don't participate in the other forum, but the person who wrote this e-mailed it to me and invited me to respond. I'm posting my response here, because it might clear up some confusion other people have, too.
He writes,
That's simply untrue. It completely misrepresents how the stock market works. (See the links below.) Buying stock is an actual investment in a company. When stock value goes up, real jobs are created, company assets increase, and the potential for future profits is also increased. The increased wealth is not merely "on paper." He further says,
You are turning language on its head and unnecessarily clouding the whole issue. The suggestion that someone who invests in stock at a higher price has "lost" money is absurd. Apply that claim to the buying and selling of real estate and you'll see why it simply doesn't work. And the "winners" and "losers" in the stock market report are stocks whose value rose (winners) or fell (losers). What I said was not an "attempt to show that the stock market has NO losers." And nowhere did I say there are "no losers in stock trading." What I said was, "There are no losers when a stock gains value." The point is that in the stock market, the winners' gains do not come at the losers' expense. It's not really a complex point, but it is a significant one. In fact, it touches on the central point of my whole argument, so please don't let it get buried under a mass of unnecessary confusion. Anyone tempted to comment further in this vein ought to do a little reading about the stock market and how it works. Many fine articles are easily available on line that show why investing in stocks is not a form of "gambling." See for example:
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I'm afraid that we need to view gambling from a broader perspective, perhaps similar to the subject of idolatry.
In the case of stock market, a person is to do homework and be prudent putting his money there. Many do not even know what a stock market is and is going into it. I see people placing money on stocks that they do not know any thing about the stocks. You may call it "betting". This is gambling. There is element of greed and people can be addicted to it.
You can find other situations harmless but can be turned into gambling.
It is tough to explain what is not gambling. I believe one should know the charaters of gambling and what constitute gambling, and measure the situation against them. Of course, the line may not be clear sometimes and that is when we need to ask for wisdom from God.
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The question of creating personal wealth through stock market trading is definitely a curly one for a Christian and I think that in respect to being compared to gambling it pretty much comes down to ones experience as a trader. For me to decide to share trade would indeed be a gamble as I would have absolutely no idea what I was doing. For the anonymous people who run the retirement fund that the law here in Australia dictate that I must make at least a minimum contribution to, it is much much less so, as their performance indicates.
Given the focus on the issue of stock trading that has come from the previous blog on gambling, I would like to see a blog article examining the philosophy of stock market trading in the light of some of the other of our our Lord's requirements regarding the way we conduct our lives, particularly these three. That we live simply, do not store up riches on earth and do not create a stumbling block for others.
I am of the opinion that PERSONAL stock market trading stomps all over these three unambiguous tenets of biblical instruction; and by personal stock market trading I am not referring to the making of contributions of a humble nature to a superannuation or pension scheme during a working lifetime with the goal of being able to avoid being a burden on my family in my old age (or some scenario along those lines) I am referring to actively participating in the advancement of my personal wealth by either directly trading myself or the acquiring of a personal account with a trading company (or any other scenario that attaches me intimately with the deliberation required in advancing my wealth expediently by trading shares etc.)
The statement that stock market trading is complex, time consuming and driven by gossip and greed is, I believe, hard to argue with and equally hard to equate with the simple biblical requirement to live simply.
The statement by our Lord and Master that we do not store up riches on earth does, i believe, get regularly and deliberately misunderstood. I do not conduct my financial life with the expectation of abject poverty, but I focus on my Master's requirement that I store not riches on earth by making very sure that I do not have complete control over my wealth. I stay at least "third party" remote from it and participate in a way that minimises the risk of being enticed by the potential of my own fallen nature. How, and to what extent I enjoy a standard of living is at the pleasure of my Master Jesus Christ and not the stock market. I am blessed enough to be born as a citizen of a wealthy first world nation.
Not creating a stumbling block for others is the requirement that completely puts paid to personal stock market trading for me. The central tenet of stock market trading is to buy stock that is underpriced (necessarily from people who may not realise that fact) and hang on to it till any exponential rate of increase has all but expired before selling... to other people.
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I didn't read your links but I would like to say I have many shares of Bank of America stock that I bought with an average price of $38 dollars a share. During the crash of 2008 it dropped to $3 dollars a share and is now around $12 a share. I lost several hundred thousand dollars. You can't tell me there are no winners and losers on the stock market.
Thanks Phil for everything, It has been interesting to get the general Christian perspective supported by your clear premise above.
In summary: all Stock investing, even day-trading is Not Sin, and ALL gambling, even bingo/bunko is sin.) It doesn't get any clearer than that.
At the end of all this, and i say with great Faith,NO AMOUNT OF BLOGGING, can change what my heavenly Father has shown me (gambling and stock market investing is a gray area where wine drinkers and smokers coexist), To which then leads me to follow His advice of Matthew 7:1-5.
god Bless, Ron
Sorry but I can't see the whole point of it. Is this about materialism?
Phil I am so thankfull for Grace Church John Macarthur and his and I came from a Church to which you lost your salvation by spitting on the side walk, so to speak, My opinion here for what its worth is Christians... please relax and beath fresh Christian freedom air, do your investments wisely and use common sence and Gods word to guide you their is noting wrong with abtaining wealth, and long as you do it wisely...for example:
Proverbs 28:20 says "a faithful man will be richly blessed, but one eager to get rich will not go unpunished." This speaks against the "get-rich-quick" mentality. Looking at investment as a long-term plan for the future is good planning, but trying to make a fortune overnight is not....you will most likely be trusting you riches and not the Lord...this was the rich young rulers problem.
The word "Faithful" means he is holding through the long tearm!
Money is a beautiful thing to have ..as ong as you can bless another with it..but if it is used to gain selfish recognition...it can distroy you...these truths are very simple to follow.
Much of the Bible's teaching about wealth is a warning against putting trust in wealth rather than the Lord (i.e. 1 Timothy 6:17-18) or to the detriment of those who depend on us (i.e. Ecclesiastes 5:13-14). As long as we honor our commitments to God and our families with our money, and maintain a spirit of generosity and thankfulness, investing is an excellent option Christians can consider.
Stocks are a fractional ownership in a business.
In buying a stock, you may also be entitled to dividend payments.
If you own one share of stock, you are entitled to vote on things such as who gets to be on the board of directors. And if you own more a majority shareholding of a company, you essentially control the company.
When you own stock, you are legally an owner of the business. You have a fractional ownership interest in every piece of real estate the company owns, every piece of manufacturing equipment, every one of their computers, and even their trademarks and patents.
When you own stock in a technology company, there are engineers and R&D people who are working every day to improve products and invent new owns so that you, the stockholder, can earn more money.
Some real estate companies structure themselves as Real Estate Investment Trusts so that their shares can be publicly traded. When you own a share of these companies, you are a partial owner of every piece of real estate they own.
Stocks are not inanimate pieces of paper, but rather a legal structure allowing a business to take in investors.
If I were to invest in the restaurant down the street in exchange for 10% of the business, you would not say I was gambling. If this restaurant then expanded into a chain and went public, am I suddenly gambling if I decide I want to buy more stock in them?
I rather live a simple life than be rich. I rather be a doorkeeper in God's house.
When I became a professional day trader, I was shocked at how misunderstood my profession was. I grew tired of explaining how it worked and that it was not gambling. More absurd were the comments that trading was bad and investing was good. If we talk only about share price, whether trading or investing, we are "betting" on movement. If we buy we want it to go up.
As a trader, I wanted to take as many trades as I could, of course. More movement meant more opportunity. Some days I had many trades and others I did not. I studied price movement and developed a system or method of trading whereby I did not take trades where the odds were against me. A gambler, on the other hand, trades or bets without the odds.
So what is the difference between investing and trading? In the price context, it is largely time between trades and preparation. The investor's method requires him to study the company's and the industry's prospects. When satisfied he has the odds, he places his bet and waits for it to go up. The trader has studied market movement, develops his method and places trades during the day every time his method dictates a trade. (That is the only way to maintain the positive expectancy of the method.)
I was a terrible "investor" because I just could not digest all the information and come to proper decisions. I could understand price movement, however. It made sense to me and I became a trader.
I never once thought I was gambling. God blessed me with an ability and I thanked him for it. I never took a trade against my method except by mistake.
Finally, the markets are not for amateurs. You are in there with the big boys, the guys who make the markets move: pension funds, insurance companies, etc. If you get on the wrong side of their trade you get squashed. Simple as that. So any method of trading or investing is an attempt to get on their coattails. If you do all your homework and come to an "intelligent" decision,or rely on a professionals advice, etc., you are really just hoping that your conclusions are the same ones the fund managers have arrived at. (If you are a big boy yourself, then you have your own rules. There is nothing you need to hear from me.)
The real benefit of day trading was that I could get out quickly as soon as I realized I was wrong. No matter what I thought the price (big boy) should be doing, if the trade was going against me, I would get out and cut losses. If it turned out that my original assessment was correct, I would get back in. I was not gambling. Not even close. I was doing my job. (By the way, if I found myself praying in the middle of a trade, I took that as a sign that I was really wrong. :)) Also, I never held a position overnight. I would not have slept if I had. Some very bad things in the market happen over night. Remember that foreign markets are open while you sleep. I never wanted to wake up to a disaster.
Anyway, that's what I think.
God bless you all.
personally i don't see the need to gain money apart from the job the Lord gave me. but i cannot condemn the stock market in its essence. in my almost total ignorance, i understand that buying stocks is to partnership with a company, investing in a future growth. as in every field, speculation and greediness took over and nowadays there are many things that happen and little investors often lose their savings and the big fish get them all.
my final thought is, i prefer to invest in heavenly things :)
God bless
I write this with the utmost respect, patience, and love for everyone. I wish to attempt to shed some light if I am able on this subject. So here goes, to quote Phil from his response, "'There are no losers when a stock gains value.' The point is that in the stock market, the winners' gains do not come at the losers' expense." It is not really a complex point, but if it is central to his (Phil's) whole argument, then I believe it would do him well, and any who agree with him on that point to read a little about what short selling, or selling short a stock means. Investors in the stock market do it everyday. (Due to website rules I am not allowed to post links providing further information, but you can google it for a quick explanation.) But to sum it up, bottom line there are losers when a stock gains value, Phil is wrong on that point. If Phil decides to short a stock that is valued at $10 per share, with the money in his IRA, and the stock rises to $20 per share, he will have lost money invested in that stock, while those that decided not to sell short, but instead go long the stock will have made money on the investment, while Phil was simultaneously losing his money. And visa versa, if the stock decreases in value to $5 per share, Phil will be making money while others are losing theirs. When Phil invests in the stock market through his IRA, he can either bet that it will go up, or that it will go down, and that is the difference between going long or going short a stock. Whether he goes long or goes short a stock, he is still gambling or betting that the investment will go his way and not the other guy's. I know people who make money on stocks while the price is crashing, simply because they were shorting the stock. Those same people also make money on stocks by going long while the price is soaring, and others are simultaneously losing wealth because they are shorting the soaring stock. It's a gamble, one way or the other. If gambling is sin, don't put your money in the stock market.
This is the confusion that comes when we try to make absolute points about morality apart from clear Scriptural truth. Again this is not to say that Phil didn't bring up some good points. Some of his scholarship is very compelling. In my humble opinion, it may have been better to start with the biblical principle (eg. stealing) then include gambling as a possible application instead of beginning with an activity then trying to prove your own personal convictions.
#7John Donovan - Excellent comment and perspective.
#9 John Del Gaudio- Great insight from one who knows by profession. Really helpful points.
Thanks to you both.
Can't help but notice on here that there are too many that speak with authority about which they have not near enough knowledge.I put a band-aid once on my paper cut. Because of that, do you really want to take medical advice from me?
I don't have a study to support this but I do wonder how many use income that was acquired from wages earned by doing an honest day's work, doing a God honoring job to invest in the stock market vs how many invest in the stock market with money that was acquired by gambling online, in a casino, slot machine, lottery? I'm sure both is done. Just curious about the ratio?
Phil, just one nuance to your comment "When stock value goes up, real jobs are created, company assets increase, and the potential for future profits is also increased." The only time selling stock affects the actual asset value of a company is when the company issues stock initially (IPO). In the simplest form, after the IPO, any sale of stock affects only the investors directly (buyers and sellers). Yes, I understand, if a stock price changes dramatically, the reputation of the company may change causing further impacts to the company. Real jobs are created, company assets increase, and the potential for future profits is also increased when the company generates operating revenue that requires growing the business. I hope this helps in the discussion.
The true value of stocks is often based on "hot air", marketing gimmics and false expectations. Sin sneaks its way in to that area too.
One major thing that I think distinguishes a gambler from a professional is that the pro is first and foremost a risk manager. His method of trading or investing must be based on an ability to manage risk. If not, he won't be around long. By the way, that's why you really don't see gamblers in the markets--they just get wiped out pretty quick.
Did you ever consider that casinos are really not gamblers even though they are in the gambling business? Recall that the pro never risks his money against the odds and the gambler does. The casino knows all the odds and expectancies of the games through study and experience. Over time the casino always comes out ahead because it just works its plan day after day. Now say a plan has a 65% positive expectancy, meaning that you win 65% of the time and lose 35% of the time. Pretty sweet but remember that the wins are randomly distributed so they can all come at one time, wiping out the casino (or pro trader) The casino manages this risk by having enough capital to survive a long losing streak and by limiting the amount the customers can bet so that a series of large bets don't "break the bank." All the casino has to do is stay in the game long enough to realize the positive expectancy.
Contrast this with the gambling customers: they just throw in the money hoping to experience the thrill of winning. (I never, ever understood that dynamic.)
Just because the casino goes about its business in a professional manner, it is still in the business of providing sinful opportunities. I wish they would just all close up.
Traders are a very good thing because they provide liquidity to the markets. When you go to sell your shares you put in your order with your broker who executes your trade---with whom? Well, somebody has to take your stock or you are stuck with it. That's where the trader comes in. If there is a lot of activity in your stock, then you can get a price close to your order, probably. If there were not active trading then the spread between the price bid and offer would be pretty big and who knows what price you will get. Active trading means liquidity, efficient pricing.
There are plenty of greedy traders, to be sure. Just like there are greedy lawyers, doctors, accountants, pastors--you get the idea. (I am a practicing lawyer, by the way.) The markets are just neutral. They exist so people can buy securities. (Note I just say buy because somebody necessarily has to sell so you can buy. If nobody wanted to buy anything, there would be no markets at all.) How people go about using the markets can be sinful or godly--like most things.
Bless you all.
I can't believe the excuses used to say people who lose money on the stock market are greedy day traders or speculators for greed. Most people are not. Me included. I have a company that manages my accounts. They do all my buying and selling. Referencing my first post they purchased Bank of America which was the most secure bank at the time. None of the stock has been ever been sold. I lost money so there are winners and losers that are not greedy just investing but that is still a gamble. No guarantees. I think it is a sin to gamble your money away hoping to strike it rich but I don't think it is a sin to do it as entertainment. It seems some here just can't grasp there are degrees of gambling just like drinking etc that can become sin but other wise is not. Spending too much money on golf or ballgames is just as much a sin as greedy gambling.
To quote my favorite Pastor and great man of God (as well as my mentor) J Vernon McGee of Thru The Bible Radio (Macarthur being second) on answering the question of gray areas (in his time it was about whether women could wear lipstick): "I can not be dogmatic where the Bible is not."
I love that. I too cannot be dogmatic when the Word of God is not.
I can be dogmatic in areas where the Bible is dogmatic, e.g., adultery, fornication, drunkeness, homosexuality, etc.
But gambling,stocks,drinking a glass of wine,smoking (J Vernon smoked most of his life),and wearing lipstick,...who amongst us can be dogmatic and tell us their sin is a sin for all of us?
When it came to the gray areas,Paul was right when he wrote 1Corinthians 8:9-13. To this truth, i choose to be bound...and dogmatic.
In His Love, Ron
If buying stocks and selling when the value goes up is wrong, then it is equally wrong for a christian to buy a house and sell it when the value goes up, perhaps the christian selling his house should sell it at the value it had when he bought it, not the increased current value. My bank account/IRA increases in value over what I personally put into it, perhaps it is wrong for a christian to accept this money. Investment and gain is not wrong, unless of course it's something illegal.
After reading the initial posts and the responding posts as well, dependent upon a persons motivation, there doesn't seem to me to be much of a difference in playing the stock market as there is playing the Lotto, or playing Texas Hold-em, or even "investing" in real estate for that matter. With selfish motives it's all a gamble taken for personal enhancement of wealth.
We all rationalize what we do to make ourselves feel better about it. However, unless we are truly investing in a company through stock purchases for the sole purpose of ensuring it's growth in order to allow the people who rely in that growth to prosper, provide for their families and care for their communities, then it's just gambling. Even the most savvy stock market investors couldn't possibly know everything and are also unable to predict future curve balls thrown in a company's direction.
And no one knows for sure the trends of future housing markets. Buying a home for personal use isn't any different then buying a car for personal use. We don't buy a car, use it daily, and expect a return on investment. If we purchase a home with the intention of a return it's a gamble. That said, if we have the funds available to purchase additional housing and allow others who wouldn't otherwise be able to afford it use it for modest compensation or nothing at all until they're back on their feet then we're investing in what God wants us to - His people.
No matter what we say or how we attempt to justify anything God is vastly more than capable of determining our true motivation for everything we do. If we gamble His financial resources for our entertainment or for our personal wealth it's a waste of what He's allowed us. If we invest in His people He has guaranteed us an eternal and limitless return on investment.
Thank you Phil for making it so clear.
I read an article by Jerry Bergman with the title "Darwin's critical influence on the ruthless extremes of capitalism". Sometimes it helps to have a look behind the curtain.
I wonder if we can find another defense other than "life is a risk"? I mean, buying a house, buying a car,falling in love, walking across the street, going to your mailbox......yes, all these risks are just like gambling and the stock market. Come on now. This is starting to affect my self-esteem....like some here think I'm dumb enough to fall for that.
How many dads on here have advised their teenage son or daughter of choices that were too risky? You tell your son about drinking and the risks and how when he's tipsy, he's a target for somebody jumping him and robbing him. And of course, he tells old dad something he's never heard before...that nothing is going to happen and besides, everything in life is a risk.So now you're so comforted by your son's wisdom, that all left to do is pray for traveling mercies as he's drive to the bad side of town.
Is it possible to come up with even more creative loop holes to sin than what I've read here?
Let's talk about the charge of legalism. Jesus hated it. Let's see what Jesus had to say in Matthew 12:9-14. Jesus says, He went on from there and entered their synagogue. And a man was there with a withered hand. And they asked him,"Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?"— so that they might accuse him. He said to them, "Which one of you who has a sheep,if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not take hold of it and lift it out? Of how much more value is a man than a sheep! So it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath." Then he said to the man, "Stretch out your hand." And the man stretched it out, and it was restored, healthy like the other. But the Pharisees went out and conspired against him, how to destroy him.
The LAW was clearly spelled out and Jesus, the God Man violated it in order to show it was fulfilled, it obsolete. Now what? We can do whatever we want. No more law, no more law. We decide what we think is the right thing to do outside of the law.
But wait, what about this? "You have heard that it was said,'You shall not commit adultery.' But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart." Matthew 5:27&28. What a contrast. Before all I had to fear was getting caught and punished. Now I have to worry about what's in my heart the fact that Jesus knows what's in it? Jesus just closed my loop hole.
Seems to me....Jesus gave me the foundation. And seems to me He expects me to think and make decisions based on that foundation EVEN if the subject was not specifically mentioned by name (like the Trinity). Seems to me that Jesus expects me to understand references made without having to be slapped on the back of my head!
I think those defending gambling should stand on a tree stump like Billy Graham did to practice preaching. Stand on a stump, put the biggest cross in front of you that you can find and practice your defense.
Phil, what about short selling or reverse trading?
Phil, are you trying the justify the stock market? Clearly the readers, that understand the market, know the stock market is a gamble. They proved it in their responses and showed how basic your knowledge is in this area. The stock market is very complex but main goal is to make money...the more the better. It represents man love of money.
The difficult question is how a God fearing man should use the stock market. Especially when it comes to saving for retirement and your child's education.
Someone needs to better moderate this tread. This tread is not very spiritual and for the average reader who may not understand most of this discussion...they may perceive you/GTY is giving them a "green light" to use the stock market and all its lustful nature.
Right trough marrow and bone Rebecca. I think it was Phil who once said that we must fight against those who claim the Bible is unclear.
Not all Jesus said is written down, but we have sufficient. Sorry, but I can't imagine Jesus in a casino. Only to preach there.
Phil said he would show gambling is sin. Give the man a 'chance'.
Lawrence # 27 said:
This thread is not very spiritual.
Tell us exactly what constitutes a spiritual thread, Lawrence. Did you have any criteria in mind?
Two ways and one is harder.
Don't look behind the plow. Jesus said to his disciples not to take extra things like coat, sandals, and money even on their journey.
Remember Solomon, He grew rich with livestock, money, servants, and etc. He asked for wisdom also. He failed the test.
In scriptures say it's harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
Storing riches on earth would get moths and robbers to steal. Look for treasure in heaven that would not be ruin.
To Edward in #3
I can sympathize with you on the subject of losing money. My grandfather, in his old age before he died, made some investments that in hind sight were not good and it placed my father and me in a very difficult situation since he basically lost our entire inheritance. Slightly different than your situation, but in hind sight I could have mailed you a check for about $200k and been better off because you would have at least liked me for it.
However, for the sake of clarity I think you need to read Phil's post again. You replied and stated "You can't tell me there are no winners and losers on the stock market." If you carefully read Phil's post you'll see that he actually says the following:
"... nowhere did I say there are 'no losers in stock trading.' What I said was, 'There are no losers when a stock gains value.'"
I really do feel your pain corresponding to an investment going bad in a way that is beyond your control, but for the sake of clarity we need to see that Phil's point is not that you cannot lose money in the stock market, but that the financial principals behind the stock market make it distinct from gambling. I hope this helps.
God bless,
I'll just say this. It seems to me that being a wise syeward of the resources entrusted to you is a way we how thanks to God for what He has provided. The tthe and offering are mandatory (in my opinion) and investment in His Kingdom with time, money, and your attention should always trump anything the world has to offer.
What about Proverbs that states "a good man leaves an inheritance to his childrwn's children"? Or the woman in Proverbs 31 that considers a field and buys it? Is it so wrong to consider owning part o a company as well?
One thing I'll say about personal stock investing is I believe a Christian should consider what a company does prior to investing their resources with them. For instance, there's one company out there that is all the rave right now with earnings, growth forecast, and has all the right ratios. Financial folks on here will know who I'm talking about (they shall remain nameless). I would not invest one cent with them, you know why? Because one of their primary and largest revenue streams is from selling yoga equipment and supplies. As a Christian, I cannot in good conscience support that industry with my money. Same thing with other industries whose primary earnings stem from vices that entrap people (alcohol, gaming, etc).
I know there are very few truly Christian Companies out there, so I'm not advocating blocking out any & all companies that dont have a born-again CEO. My personal opinion is to have strong values in what one does choose to financially take part ownership of.
On a further note, another market that pretty much everyone makes money at is the labor market (jobs, small business, etc). I do not entirely think its fair to cry foul about "losing" in the stock market when there are good, honest Christians that lose joba via layoffs, closings, reductions, outsourcing, whatever, and that is their ONLY source of income. Are they "gambling" too? Maybe where they went to work was a good place at the time (like BAC stock was), but for various reasons, and factors it is now going under. I would think to the Christian, the promises of Matthew 6:25-34 should be as solid a place to stand as any in regards tp guiding what (or rather Who) we really trust in.
If we can't invest in the stock market, which at its basic level is buying ownership in companies, then we must also not purchase houses. Why can we buy a house but not a company? Yes of course there is abuse in the stock market, but there is a abuse in every area of life since the fall. Do we not participate in something because it can be sinful? Everything God has created can be twisted in some way.
Purchasing shares of a company is simply having partial ownership of that company. So if that is not allowed, then every christian reading this that owns a business must sell it immediately. If I can't have a 5% ownership of a company then why is it okay to have a 100% ownership of a company?
Taking risks is not necessarily gambling. Everything in life is risky; anybody driven a car lately? But when I purchase shares in a company, I am investing my money into a company and they are in turn taking that money and using it to further the company. If the company does well, then the shares I have in the company are worth more because the money I invested was used to create more wealth. Everybody should read Jesus' words when he tells the parable of the talents. The righteous servants were the ones that took what was given to them and invested it, because investing creates more of what was given. Its just a basic principle of a life. Every time you spend a dollar, you are making an investment. Whether it is on a house, a car, food, or even a company. The question is, what is the return on the investment. Well for food the obvious return is continued life. For a house the return is a more comfortable living arrangement as well as a hard asset that can be sold or traded. And of course hard assets are better to have because dollars are just paper. They have no value in and of themselves where as a house has value no matter what the currency. How about a car? Well the investment provides a negative return financially. Cars always depreciate. However, that car gets you from your home to your job, so the return is positive because it enables you to get to a job that pays you money. So all of these are good investments in their own way. How about buying stocks in a company? The first question to ask is, what is the return going to be like? You can research the company and see what services they provide. You can see what their plans are for the future and what they plan on doing with the capital you provide. And if you believe the investment to be worth the return then you go for it. There is nothing wrong with it at all. Now gambling on the other hand is different. Like Phil said, in gambling there is no wealth created. There is simply a transfer of wealth. The winner takes from the losers. Money put in is not used to create more wealth.
Everybody must remember that money is not the root of all evil, but the love of money is. I invest my money to the glory of God, and I pray that he would use everything He has given me to further his kingdom
To #29 Posted by Tommy Clayton,
What I meant as "spiritual" is a thread that focuses on honoring and glorifying God. The original blog "Is Gambling OK? Don't Bet on It" was a great discussion on gambling. This current thread appears to try to vindicate the stock market as an acceptable form of making money. The stock market is only a "tool"
What concerns me is there are some "advanced" investors/day traders etc. asking some tough questions... I don't think anyone at GTY can read where their heart lies. You need to pray to God for the Holy spirit for guidance. ( that applies to all aspects of your life )
The more you pray and read the Word of God, if God chooses to reveal himself to you, the answers to the questions come a lot quicker.
For the most part, I am very 'proud' if you will, with most of these responses. I commend all of you who think through the complex issues, as Phil does, to arrive at God-honoring responses. To God be praise for maturity and sound thinking.
There may be other responses who create more confusion however, and it might be due to the fact that we live in a fallen world. I was impressed with the comments of #25 and #33 - Phil's points are also good because they are sound, in light of living in a broken world. If "risk" was always bad, then no one would walk out the door!!!
The truth that there are losers when stocks gain in value might be due to the reality that our world is terribly inconsistent, unpredicatble at times, and beyond our control. So Phil is trying to be like the Proverbs, where general principles apply to a world that is fraught with exceptions.
If you or I disagree with Phil, that's fine! The point is to do the best thinking with the available information, and glorify God as best we can in a broken world.
I just gag when I see people buy lottery tickets, because there's no thought, no planning, no study, just the blind leading the blind on an invisible hope. My heart breaks for those who get lost in gambling on a hopeless idea.
So, we continue to learn, and pray that God will help us, right?!
Phil - "Investing" in the market is a GAMBLE no matter how you slice and dice it. Different from "day trading", which their are winners and losers and is done for sordid gain.
The relevant question is it sin or is it not. For example, if you invest in a company that you know supports abortion through donations to planned parenthood or the AFL-CIO, known to take advantage of people, or anything that is ungodly, then is it right in God's sight to have anything to do with that company unless you absolutely have no choice, much less gain from such a company? What politicians are receiving donations that are anti-God???
To try to simplify this to just "investing in a company" understates and minimizes the issue in my opinion.
If you invest in a mutual fund that has stock in many companies; is it your DUTY, as a Christian, to investigate the company to see if it meets godly standards or okay to be the proverbial Ostrich with it head in the sand?
I would venture to say you will not find a single mutual fund that invests in 10 or more companies (the vast majority) which God would look at and see as godly in it's practices and has much integrity in it's leadership.
I am just playing the devil's advocate to raise, what I believe are legitimate questions, that Phil will have a tough time defending without just plain dismissing them. Why? Because the truth always stands in the face of deception. I'm not speaking of Phil being deceptive; he is my brother and a son of God, but the point is that if you were to scrutinize each company you will find, in almost all cases, deceptive and ungodly practices. Pharmaceutical companies are perfect examples or what about investing in a company that owns casinos or a Philip Morris who also owns food companies - do you see the point?
What is the solution? I have none, but wish I did. I wish there was a mutual fund of godly companies in all respects, but that is a "pipe-dream". Although a company in and of itself is not a person; it is the leadership & employees of the companies that make up the company.
We are living in a godless world for the most part and we are forced to buy from companies that, if the truth be known, we would be sickened by them, but we must eat and we must drive to work etc, but do we take those earnings and "Invest" in such? If you are a worker for a company and are asked to do something against God's will; would you do it knowingly - NO! What if it cost you your job or a promotion? So why would it then be okay to invest in such a company, which would be the majority on the market.
As I stated earlier I am only playing "devils advocate" to stimulate some thought - hopefully.
God bless all of you.
One possible solution would be to invest in something tangible, such as gold or silver coins, but even that you must look at who is running the companies and what are their political affiliations. The other alternative is to put into a "local bank" and gain little to no interest.
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HOUGHTON – Dorothy Love, 89, passed away on Thursday, March 14, 2013 at Omega House in Houghton.
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Graduating from Washington, D.C.'s Central High School in 1941, she also attended George Washington University before working at Look Magazine's offices on both coasts.
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"Nice equipment, but..."
By BobO
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The item is well constructed and easily assembled. There is no provision for adding resistance. The ergonomics are OK, but not well suited for someone who has some joint liabilites in legs or hips.
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Amazing! Mega butt lift!
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This machine work your whole thigh and butt, especially right under the butt; which is working wonders! Love it!!!! So worth the price! I am a 35 mother of 3 toddlers. This machine is fabulous. I see major results in a week! I love doing leg circles while I watch tv or have a moment. Also its totally silent, so I use it a lot while my husband is asleep only a 10 feet away. It has never woken him!
Bottom Line Yes, I would recommend this to a friend
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This exercise equipment was easy to set up and to move. It came with detailed directions for an exercise plan and using the device as part of that. Since I have not yet had time to read the directions and plan, I have only used it for five minutes and it was quiet and easy to use as a basic glider and I think will be ideal for exercising while watching tv. I need to spend some time before I can say more.
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Product is exactly what I had hoped for....takes very little room and can be stored away when not in use. Initial order had an issue and when calling into the company, I was told it has a life time company guarantee!!! My issues were corrected immediately. I have ordered other products from this company in the past and they all are excellent products, perform as advertised and the customer service exceeds expectations. Thank you!
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I will use the machine for cardio workout. I found, though, that the strides are a bit short, and I'm only 5"8" tall. But the lateral motion is awesome. I have had multiple surgeries on my knee and this seems to be the best way to get a cardio work out.
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I actually purchased this for myself to get some exercise during our very cold winter. Turns out my husband and son are also using it to keep fit. We all love it. Easy to fold up and move.
I definitely would buy this product over and over again.
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We love it, love it, love it!!!! It's easy, it's fun, and it's amazingly effective. I'm truly glad that I made this choice.
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Finally something thats easy to move and can easily do while watching a program. will be far more inclined to use a lot. Was relatively easy to put together also. Love the life time guaranty also. Did a complete workout using the program included and found it to be a good all around workout. Time will tell.
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My kids love this machine also. You can fold it up and put away. Its quiet too. Was shipped quickly. A bit complicated to build but other than that, a great little machine that makes you work hard.
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NBC's latest sprawling sci-fi drama, "Revolution" is tough to pin down after the pilot. There's an interesting premise — for a mysterious reason all electronics stop working suddenly — created by J.J. Abrams ("Lost") and Eric Kripke ("Supernatural"), but flaws hold it back.
"Revolution" kicks off with the tense moments before and during the worldwide power outage — seen through the Matheson family's eyes — then jumps forward 15 years later. The Mathesons have an unknown connection to the power outage, and when the reigning militia led by Captain Tom Neville (Giancarlo Esposito) comes looking for answers, things go badly. That leads Carrie Matheson (Tracy Spiridakos) on a mission to find her uncle Miles (Billy Burke) for help.
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Centreville, Mich. — A proud moment in the annals of Centreville Public Schools took place Saturday, as Superintendent Bill Miller directed a ceremony dedicating the high school's new baseball and softball fields. A crowd of about 100 people — including athletes who played in an eight-team softball tournament and four-team baseball tournament after the program — listened and watched as Miller recognized several volunteers who made the new athletic complex possible. Near the top of the list were Al and Trudy Murk, former owners of the Centreville Village Market; and Matt Thornton, a 1995 Centreville High School graduate and pitcher for the Chicago White Sox. Thornton was represented by his parents, Jack and Sheila Thornton. The Murks and Thornton, in conjunction with Major League Baseball and its "Baseball For Tomorrow" grant, combined to cover nearly half of the estimated $440,000 to develop the baseball field and two softball fields. …
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I remember seven or eight years ago before I started baking bread and pizza at home I thought commercial chain pizza was fairly good. My favorite was Papa John's, and I thought Dominoes and Pizza Hut was alright. Recently I had some PJ pizza at a work function and I thought it was downright lousy. About two years I lost my appetite for Pizza Hut. I wouldn't call myself a master chef, but I've refined my home pizza recipe to the point where family members rave about it. When I travel I tend to seek out real Italian restaurants and try different types of pizzas and have more of an appreciation for styles and ingredients.I'm curious of the opinions here: was commercial chain pizza always this bad or has a bit of experience and knowledge really changed my tastes?
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Five questions with Crew forward/midfielder Dominic Oduro.
(Note: interview took place prior to Saturday's tie with Philadelphia.)
1. If you weren't playing soccer, what would you be doing with your life?
"Coaching. Coaching soccer."
2. What was your first time eating Papa John's pizza?
"I don't remember it, but I think I was in college and it was amazing. That was my first time eating pizza after coming to the States. I remember the flavor and the smell of it and just falling in love with it. I had double cheese and from then on, that's one of my favorite foods."
3. What was your best subject in school?
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4. Are you much of a music guy?
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5. You haven't been here long, but what's your favorite part of Columbus?
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Will Your Animal Companions Be Protected in a Disaster?
What would happen to your beloved animal companions if a hurricane, a fire, a tornado, an earthquake, a flood, or another natural or human-made disaster were to strike tomorrow?
Review these tips to keep all your family members safe!
Before an Emergency Strikes
- Have an animal emergency kit readily available. The kit should include a harness and leash or a carrier as well as bottled water, food and water bowls, dry and canned food, and a copy of your animal companions' medical records. If you have a cat, have litter and a small litter tray ready to go.
- Make sure that all your animals have collars or harnesses with identification. Keep a current photo of your animal companion for identification purposes, just as you would for a child.
- Place PETA's emergency window stickers near your front and back doors and on side windows in case a weather emergency or fire strikes when you are not home. These stickers will alert rescuers to animals in your home who need help.
During an Emergency
- If you are being evacuated, never leave animals behind. There is no way of knowing what may happen to your home while you are away, and you may not be able to return for days or even weeks. Animal companions left behind may become malnourished or dehydrated or be crushed by collapsing walls. They may drown or escape in panic and become lost.
- Know your destination ahead of time. Not all emergency shelters accept animals, but many hotels take animals (most suspend "no pet" policies during disasters, thankfully).
- Place small animals in secure carriers. Dogs should be leashed and wearing harnesses. Be sure to take the animal emergency kit that you've prepared.
If Authorities Force You to Leave Your Animals Behind
- Never turn animals loose outdoors—they can't survive "on instinct." Domesticated animals rely on their human companions for many things and are totally helpless and vulnerable outside, especially in bad weather. Instead, leave them in a secure area inside your home with access to the upper floors so that they can escape rising floodwaters.
- Leave out at least a 10-day supply of water. Fill every bowl, pan, and Tupperware container that you have with water, then set them on the floor or on counters, as just one container may spill. Fill sinks, too. If your toilet bowl is free of chemical disinfectants, leave the toilet seat up to provide animals with one more source of water, but do not make that the only source.
- Leave out at least a 10-day supply of dry food. Canned food will go bad quickly.
- If you can't get to your home, contact a reliable neighbor or friend to check on the animals and get them out, if possible. Provide specific instructions on care.
By planning now, you can make sure that all your loved ones can weather any storm. Remember: The question isn't whether a disaster will strike—it's when.
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Would they really force us to leave our animals?! Also I worry about floods…I have 2 cats and 2 dogs how do I keep them above the water!
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Bravo. This is really good information for pet owners. We sell an emergency survival kit that is specifically designed for pets and it is shocking to us how many pet owners are prepared to weather a storm, but are not prepared to provide for their pets in an emergency…
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This seems like quite a good idea for every pet owner. You never know when things can happen. All pet stores should carry this type of pet products. I will be making a kit for our dog Oscar
I've always been terrified of what would happen if there was a fire or something in my apartment how I could get my cat out safe ever since I was a small child. My answer to the question "If there was a fire in the house and you had time to grab one thing what would it be?" is always my cat. He's like my furry little brother and I would never leave him behind, even if authorities made me leave him I wouldn't. I would refuse to leave without him. Once I get a job (which is hopefully soon) I'll start preparing and get some emergency kits for my cat (my mom thinks me wanting to do stuff like this is me just being overly paranoid and unnecessary) thanks for the article!
It breaks my heart that people leave animals behind in the event of a disaster but having lived through hurricane Katrina (I'm from New Orleans and lived about 8 blocks from the 17th street canal levee breech) I can see how sometimes there is no other option. Do I think people should plan ahead and include pets in their plan? Absolutely. Unfortunately it doesn't always happen. When Katrina hit most people, including the state government did not have a plan in effect because such a huge disaster had not been anticipated. I was lucky enough to have a reliable vehicle and money to pay for a hotel and later an apartment as well as the pet fees for my 4 cats that went along them. For some people public transportation is the only option. When it comes down to filling a bus with people or pets, I understand why the decision was made to go with people.
i love that video of the helicopter throwing the lady out hahah love it,,maybe it will teach people what its like for an animal,,haha we need more stuff like that,,i think thats the key,,get humans to feel there pain,,i loveeee it
This is a great post!
My family has always had dogs, and in a restrictively outdoors regimen (we have a nice backyard and doghouses for shelter). Also here in Portugal noticeable earthquakes and wild weather are very rare, so I never really thought of this until I got my cat. She is mostly an indoor cat (I live in an apartment now), cats don't just follow you on a leash and plus she is the jumpy kind. I really worry how I can keep her safe in a emergency situation. Even with a kit at hand I don't know how she would react, if she would let me put her in a carrier in the middle of an earthquake for instance, or if she would even have the instinct to hide under a table or couch during the worse part (kind of like we are told to do) or if she would just panic and run around the house being hit by whatever junk would be falling from the shelves, ceiling, windows…
Still, it is very helpful to read this and feel like I have a plan, to know just how much food and water is recommended we take and the likes.
I'd never leave my dog. If a shelter or hotel wasn't an option, we'd just live in my pickup truck or go crash with relatives. Hell, I'd put up a lean-to and camp out with my dog before I'd leave her behind. I don't have an emergency kit per se, but come to think of it I have chlorine for treating water, a tarp for rigging shelter, some food, and a leash sitting in my truckbox right now. Guess I just need to add copies of my dog's medical records and I'm good to go.
If worst comes to worst, though, I disagree with the advice not to turn animals loose outside. My dog is bright enough to use her nose to find food and water. Animals are not as stupid as we think they are. I think a dog or cat stands a better chance if they're free to go in search of food, water, higher ground, etc than if they're locked up in a possibly flooded or burning house.
This is helpful for people with cats, dogs, and other largish animals, but I just don't know what I'd do if i was forced to leave my three rats. I'll just have to be stubborn and refuse to leave without them. It's tough out there for rats!
This breaks my heart.The fact of people leaving animal companions behind. I cry reading this ! I have cockatiels( bird), I would never in a million years ABANDON THEM. I would choose to stay with them no matter what if there was no where to go with them. thankfully i am in an area that is not affected with floods. and other such destructable weather extremes.
I would never leave my dogs no way always be with me!! Is not right people leave without dogs and cats is wrong!!! NEVER! NOT NICE!
I would never, ever leave Kush, my companion dog behind, no matter what the circumstances. He is my family. Leaving him behind to possibly starve, drown, become lost and terrified is simply not an option.
If anyone has an older dog that is good with famlies,we are willing to host them till times get better.
I think its its total BS that someone would leave their pet just because of a storm.I was raised in texas-never left a pet. Now I live in Iowa with tornado's. I have been shut out of a number of shelters because I wouldn't abandon my dog.If your not gonna make the long term commitment don't get a pet. I would rather we die together than alone.
My van was equipped with everything my 3 cats and Black Lab Pup would need if I had to evacuate. It took 2 days to prepare but was soo worth it. We were very fortunate we didn't even loose power.
It's heartbreaking to think that people would actually leave their animal family behind. How Awful!!
I am appalled that people R asked to leave their pets behind in an evacution to most people they R just as much a part of the family as their children U R not asked to leave childrn behind so why should U have to leave your pets, it is very very sad , I feel for these people lets just pray that I never have to encounter this situation
Thanks for the info. I have never really had to think about it thankfully, so far there is of course a first time for everything. I would NEVER leave home without my 2 cats and one bunny rabbit. Love them as much as I love my husband and daughter and I would certainly never leave in the event of a disaster without them. They are all family!
I can't even imagine living without my dog Tucky. She has been with me ever since she was a baby and I was smaller. She turns 7 today August 28. Knowing that I've had her so long means that she is much more than a companion to me, she is more of my little sister. I would cry for so long if I ever lost her or if something happened to her.
The image still haunts me of the women getting on a bus and leaving her little dog by the side of the road. They would not allow animals on the bus. That was hurricane Katrina's. Sorry I would not have boarded the bus. My animals mean the world to me.
This is a very good article. I wish everyone felt the way we do about our companions. They are as much family as kids are. I don't have pets right now, but I would never leave one to fend for itself during an emergency.PETA does good things.
I would never ever leave one of my pets, i got 2 horses, 1 dog, 3 cats. I´d rather ride a 100 miles and take my loved ones with me than take care of any material things!!!!
My husband just brought in a Hurricane stray 🙁 He has a rabies tag. Wasn't real wet – must have just escaped??? Hampton Animal Control is unavailable – said call tomorrow. I called the emergency vet – they said call the vet that issued the tag – Monday. Can anyone match this poor pup's tag to his mommy 🙁
Thank you PETA for this great information! I'll make sure to share it with my co-workers and everybody I know. I would not leave never without my dogs, I know God will take care of us.
There is no way I would leave without my animals!They are a part of my family.
I would not leave my pets behind, and my dog is my best friend, and my cat and rabbit are too precious
The only thing I can say is, Authorities are stupid!
And that I would not leave my pets (9 cats, 5 dogs, ginne pig, 5 chickens) not for anything in the world, they mean the world to me, and I'd rather stay and protect them, or die trying.
Does anyone have any tips about what to do with a dog that absolutely refuses to pee indoors during a hurricane? My neighbors and I are "walking" our dogs in the basement of our building during the hurricane because it's not safe to go outside with flying debris and all that (and don't worry we put wee wee pads down all over the basement floor). My dog is the only one who refuses to go inside and its been hours! We tried encouraging her (she knows "go pee pee") and she saw all the other dogs do it and not get in trouble for it. I don't know what to do.
Jeff, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I would NEVER leave my cat behind. I would also hit the road together with my cat and sleep on the streets if I had to just to be with her. Thank you PETA for all you do!
I prepare for my animals.. Ihave four dogs and one cat.. I keep them close to me.. with window closed.. I don't want anything happen to them…
The "authorities" would have knock me unconscious & drag me away before I would leave my four legged children.
There is no such "authority" that can force me to go without my furry children unless they kill me first, in which case there would be no need to force me to go anywhere!
I have two cats and if anything were to happen if I cannot take my cats I will gladly die with them If they don't go I DON'T GO and that's final. Because I will not be able to live with myself if something were to happen to them. I wound NEVER, EVER LEAVE THEM BEHIND. They are like my children and I will stay with them till the end.
There is no way in hell that anyone could make me leave my 4 precious dogs alone while I go to a shelter. Thats not even an option! They should open seperate shelters for people with animals. I also have birds and fish. I live in NY and I have been thinking about my fish. How do you leave when you have fish that you cannot take? I know they have vacation feeders. Maybe shelters for animals should be a good project for PETA.
Im also concerned about pet stores. No one will be working during the hurricane and I have a petland near me, actually I have a few petstores, one holding puppies and kittens. How does a person like me ensure their safety? Im worried sick about them being locked up alone.
I rescue feral cats and have 3 in my house that are unapproachable. i would NEVER take my other pets and leave them behind. Police couldn't make me if they tried. several years ago a wildfire came within a block and a half but i would not leave. will not leave today during Irene and, except for a falling tree, believe my pets and I will be okay.
I would never leave my cats or turtle behind. I have 3 cats and I have some strays and they are all loved and cared for. I'm ready to take everyone of them with me if it comes to that, and they all know where the cat door is so they can all come in and be safe. Any place that does not welcome pets is not a place for me. I'll just drive west.
I think we should be allowed to take pets to emergancy shelters, I love my dog as if she was family and I couldnt leave her behind.
In these situations I always worry about what happens to all the feral cats and dogs that usually do not trust anyone to even help them get to safety.
My animals mean everything in the world to me and always come first. I have no family except them and I will fight to the death to protect them and keep them safe. If they are in danger of dying, I will stay with them until the end for all of us.
My animals mean everything in the world to me and always come first. I have no family except them and I will fight to the death to protect them and keep them safe. If they are in danger of dying, I will stay with them until the end for all of us.


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Hurry up on the Anthem for nylon (only kidding) I'm looking forward to when you do. I'm having the iMix C installed
next weekend on my DeVoe Flamenco Blanca.
Hi Just wanted to share my experience so far with the LR Baggs Anthem SL Classical pickup. Its the best pickup I have ever used to date on nylon strings. I installed the pickup on a Lester DeVoe Flamenco Blanca guitar and its just wonderful. I've been getting great feedback on the pickup as well by others. If you want to hear a test of before and after how the guitar sounds as well as when the pick up was installed you can go to http://soundcloud.com/v2or/lr-baggs-anthem-sl-classical I am still blown away by how loud I can go with out feedback. Also the mic is very adjustable to your own taste. I run the output to a Apogee One, then into Pro Tools 9 and use the Waves SSL channel strip and a UA compressor, then just a bit of reverb using the Lexicon Hall setting to two QSC K8 speakers and its just great warm natural sound.
Victor Tarassov
Lester DeVoe Blanca & Negra, Zofia Cedar Blanca w Lyric Classicial , Córdoba 45FP with Lyric Classicial, Venue. Bose L1Sw Tone Match Mixer.
How did you justify increasing the size of the end pin hole with and elderly instrument?
I just put in the Anthems SL Classical on my nylon and it sound fantastic. Played with the mic mix adjustment to get it right to my ears and Im also using the PARA DI to adjust a bit of the tone.
Victor Tarassov
Lester DeVoe Blanca & Negra, Zofia Cedar Blanca w Lyric Classicial , Córdoba 45FP with Lyric Classicial, Venue. Bose L1Sw Tone Match Mixer.
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Many people will not want to modify vintage instruments at all. For those situations we recommend the M1 passive. If you're willing to wait the M80 will be coming out in the spring. It has a passive/active switch which allows you to pop it in and out easily with no modification. http://www.lrbaggs.com/m80/ <-check it out!


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Topic: folder listing
i'd like to be able to list the contents of a folder, recursively or not it doesn't matter at this point, and have all *.jpgs be listed in a drop down combobox.
any hints?
i read somewhere about a find.rb helper i could use, but when I tried a find2.rb helper file i still couldn't really figure it out.
any suggestions, samples, anyone can point me to that make use of the file find.rb.
what goes where might be helpful, such as what goes in my controller, what goes in my view, etc.
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Topic: installing Ruby and getting errors
I have OSX Snow Leopard and am trying to install Ruby on my computer for Rails. I have already created a repository at Git and installed RVM. While trying to install Ruby it comes up with errors and I found that I have to download the most recent version of Xcode to possibly fix this issue. The only version available online is for Lion so I can't use it, and I don't want to have to pay 100 dollars for the developer account, is there anything else I can do? I'm using Ruby on Rails 3 by Hartl as my guide to set up btw. Thanks for any help.


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Email scammers naming names
Last week, I received an email from a long-lost uncle in the United Kingdom who was in desperate need of my assistance.
You see, he entered me into the local lottery and I won! Now he just needed to get money out of the country, and since I was the winner, I needed to reply ASAP.
All he needed was my bank account number, my full name and my social security number. I was going to be rich. At least that's what he told me.
In reality, as you probably have guessed by now, this was an email scam, more commonly referred to as a phishing attempt. One that's played out on a daily basis. You probably have a similar email sitting in your inbox or junk folder right now.
These types of scams are pretty easy to identify by now.
But what's scary are the email phishing attempts that are targeted directly to you. The new type of attacks, called spear phishing, will use names and fake email addresses of your friends and family members to try to get you to turn over your personal info.
If you ever receive an email, be it from a stranger or someone you know, and it just doesn't look right, don't click on any links. Instead of looking at just the sender's name, look at the actual email address the message was sent from. If it's different from the email address you have saved for that person, call or contact them via another method to see if they sent the message.
Another red flag is when you receive an email with nothing more than a link in the body, and that link has more than one .COM or .NET in it. One link I recently received, which promised I'd have my dream job if I just would click on it, was "foxnews.com/facebook.net/messages/money.com." In the end, the link led to a phishing site. Or so I assume, as I didn't click on it.
Remember, if there's any doubt about an email, it's better to not click on a link and contact the person directly than it is to get a virus or compromise your personal info.
If it's someone reporting to be from a business, try contacting the Better Business Bureau or the local district attorney's office to research any complaints. Or file a complaint yourself.


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This week, urgently needed food -- 33,700 tons of sorghum from American farmers -- will depart the United States for West Africa, as a part of the U.S. government's response to the drought in the Sahel.
Due to poor harvests, high food prices, and a number of conflicts in the region, a dire humanitarian situation is looming for chronically vulnerable populations across the Sahel region of western Africa.
The food we are shipping this week should arrive by late April, just four to five weeks from now. USAID's speedy contribution complements efforts of the UN World Food Program and other agencies to procure food for the hungry regionally. Because markets in the Sahel are currently stretched to meet the demand for food, internationally sourced assistance is vital to ensure that food prices don't rise even higher. With 7 to 12 million people in need of assistance, time is of the essence, particularly with the next rainy season to begin in June, when roads will be impassable and populations will be difficult to reach.
This sorghum is destined to feed individuals in two areas of Chad: children and moderately malnourished mothers affected by the drought in the western and central Sahelian regions of Chad, and in eastern Chad Sudanese refugees -- mainly pregnant and nursing women and malnourished children -- as well as internally displaced people, returnees, and school children in eastern Chad. USAID is providing additional food aid and emergency cash resources to support both UN agencies and other organizations working across the Sahel to combat the effects of drought and high food prices.
Food aid is just one aspect of the overall USAID response to the crisis in the Sahel. USAID is also focusing on improving nutrition, increasing agricultural production, linking individuals to local markets through voucher programs, rehabilitating public infrastructure through cash-for-work schemes, and mitigating conflict, among other activities. In addition to providing life-saving assistance, these efforts aim to alleviate poverty and build community resilience to withstand future shocks. With an announcement yesterday of an additional $120 million in emergency assistance, the U.S. government is providing nearly $200 million in humanitarian assistance this fiscal year to the Sahel region.
Editor's Note: This entry first appeared on USAID's Impact Blog.
John in the U.S.A. writes:
What is the nutritional value of sorghum? And is it being delivered in the form of meal packs with some nutritional suppliments added?
Vimal M. in India writes:
USA fighting for social security in SAHEL & flanking areas. I salute USA.
J.P. writes:
Great job!


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Here's how RW members rated this race in the past (36 votes).
In full: If you like your races tough, then this is the one for you. Hard, hilly, technical and all off road, this race is fantastic. There are glorious views of the Surrey countryside, and very steep ascents and descents. It definitely 'hurts,' but it's definitely worth it!Date of review: July 7, 2012
In short: It can be hilly darn sarfIn full: About as tough as it gets in the south, I guess. Very well organised and I like these early Saturday starts - a whole weekend to recover/feel good about having done it. But what sort of races do you people doing the ratings normally enter?! This is showing 31% PB potential at the moment. The only PB you're going to get on this course is for this course!Date of review: July 7, 2012
In short: Excellent race, somevery tough ascents and trail running experience is beneficial. The clue is in the name...Date of review: July 7, 2012
In short: Great run on a scenic courseIn full: Well-organised, friendly atmosphere, encouraging marshalls, superb course and great views from the high points. Great fun - will definitely do it again. Let's have an autumn one!Date of review: July 11, 2011
In short: you might suprise your selfDate of review: July 11, 2011
In short: great raceDate of review: July 11, 2011
In short: A great way to start the weekendIn full: An excellent race - well organised, well marshalled (friendly and lots of encouragement too), a friendly bunch of participants and a beautiful woodland route with some stunning views along the way. Well done all involved.Date of review: July 11, 2011
In short: Meets the requirement of the trade description act! Fliipping tough and it did hurt.In full: Great race again from allabout triathlon. As usual, beautiful scenery over the North Downs, supportive marshals and well sign posted. T-shirt included as part of price. A friendly crowd so, while tough course for beginners, it is very welcoming. Will definitely do again.Date of review: July 10, 2011
In short: Really, Really Good funIn full: Ran with dog, Excellent mix of forest tracks. Very well marked and marshalled. Great atmosphere and allround cracking friendly athletes. Well done to AAT, looking forward to doing it again next year. by Canicross Trailrunner Date of review: July 10, 2011
In short: An AAT Classic - almost vertical climb less than 150m into the race!In full: If you've run the G3 where you go up the back trail of St Martha's, you'll have a good idea of what's in store...A great race, superb views from the top (if you can see through the sweat in your eyes) and several monster hills - the last one at 9k - nice!Superb organisation and marshalling - well done to all at aat.Date of review: July 10, 2011
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