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Roger Ailes
This article is part of the Tobacco portal on Sourcewatch funded from 2006 - 2009 by the American Legacy Foundation.
Roger Eugene Ailes is the chairman of Fox News Channel and is Chairman of Fox Television Stations.
- 1 Career In PR & Politics
- 2 Working For Big Tobacco
- 3 Articles and resources
Career In PR & Politics
Ailes began his career in television as a production assistant at Cleveland's KYW-TV, the station that launched the Mike Douglas Show, a popular daytime talk and variety show of the 1960s. At age 28, Ailes became the show's producer. He met Richard Nixon for the first time when Nixon appeared as a guest on the Douglas show, beginning the relationship that led to Ailes' hiring as a media consultant for Nixon's 1968 presidential campaign.[1]
Ailes founded Ailes Communications in New York which he owned between 1970 and 1992 which is described in his biographical note accompanying tesimony to the Energy and Commerce Committee as "a diversified communications consulting company whose clients included three U.S. Presidents, several senators and governors, as well as Fortune 500 CEO's". [1]
Ailes political work has included:
- working as a media adviser to Richard M. Nixon Presidential Campaign in 1967-68;
- working as a consultant in 1984 to Ronald Reagan; and
- working on George H. W. Bush's 1988 Presidential campaign;
Working For Big Tobacco
When a coalition of tobacco control groups, Coalition for a Healthy California promoted Proposition 99 which proposed a 25 cents a pack increase in tobacco tax, Ailes was called on in July 1988 to oversee what was to be a $20 million campaign for the tobacco industry.
Californians Against Unfair Tax Increases (CAUTI) was overwhelmingly underwritten by Philip Morris and R.J. Reynolds. [2]
The tobacco industry strategy was to promote its claims that the tax increase was unfair and unnecessary government interference, that rich doctors would be the beneficiaries and that high taxes would encourage increased smuggling and place additional demands on police.
Ailes Communications earned just over $1,000,000 in commission on the campaign. [3]
Despite Ailes' best efforts, the tobacco industry was defeated. "Although we were not successful, the CAUTI campaign moved an extremely large number of voters to our position. While some television spots were more persuasive than others, the campaign never appeared to make much headway with the large number of people who are extremely anti-smoking," Ailes Communications final report stated. [4]
In the aftermath of victories in California and other states, the following year politicians began unveiling proposals to further restrict tobacco industry promotion and costs. "The anti-smoking zealots tried first to throw water in everybody's face … now they're throwing legislation," Ailes told one reporter. [5]
Acoording to his biographical profile to the Energy and Commerce Committee "in 1992, Ailes retired completely from political and corporate consulting to return full-time to television". [6]
Internal Philip Morris documents, however, reveal Ailes advised the company until at least 1994. A memo from PM's Washington office to head office providing an outline of supplementary monthly budget expenditures on consultants, listed "Roger Ailes contract" with a figure of $15,000 under the heading "general media strategy". [7]
In May 1993, PM's Craig Fuller sent a memo, titled "Firing Line show on Sin Taxes", to his colleagues. "I think we should look into this. Roger Ailes and I have talked about running ads with a coalition we will form ... one name "Coalition for Fair Funding of Health Care." We might get the group … with whatever name … to help fund the show. It is definitely worth thinking about and looking at more closely". (PM is the 'we' referred to in the note). [8]
(See Americans for Tax Reform and Defeating Clinton's healthcare plan for more details on the PM campaign to defeat proposals to fund an expanded health care plan with an increase in the tobacco excise rate.)
A few weeks later ths Vice President of Philip Morris Corporate Affairs, Ellen Merlo, sent a letter to Ailes as Chairman of Ailes Communications informing him of the results of some market research on smoking. "Suffice it to say the percentages of those embarrassed about smoking and the militant antis are shifting very rapidly so that we are losing support," she glumly reported.[9]
Internal Philip Morris documents reveal that Ailes' work for Philip Morris continued until at least the end of June 1994. A June 1994 e-mail to Craig Fuller canvassing possible speakers for a meeting the following month, Thomas Collamore wrote "(some possibilities: Roger Ailes who we pay 5k a month to be available;" before suggesting other possibilities.[10]
Ailes role in the media industry includes:
- in 1991 persuading "a syndicator to bring Rush Limbaugh from radio to television and became executive producer of the late-night show";
- In 1993 was appointed President of NBC's cable channel CNBC;
- introduced NBC cable channel, America's Talking in 1994;
- in January 1996 was appointed as chief executive officer of Fox News and the FOX News Channel and, according to his biographical note, "also serves as a senior advisor to Rupert Murdoch, Chairman and CEO of the News Corporation Limited".
Articles and resources
- ↑ Museum of Broadcast Communications Roger Ailes, accessed October 23, 2009
Related SourceWatch articles
External resources
External articles
By Roger Ailes
- "Roger Ailes, Chairman and CEO, Fox News Network", February 14, 2001.
- Roger Ailes, "Radio and Television News Directors Foundation 1st Amendment Awards: Transcript Of Roger Ailes' Acceptance Speech", March 8, 2007.
Articles & Commentary about Ailes
2005 to present
- Tim Dickinson (2011-05-25). How Roger Ailes Built the Fox News Fear Factory. Rolling Stone. Retrieved on 2011-05-28.
- Howard Fineman, "Life of the Party," Newsweek, January 15, 2010.
- David Carr & Tim Arango, "A Fox Chief at the Pinnacle of Media and Politics," New York Times, January 9, 2010.
- Matt Stoller, "Roger Ailes Jokes About Obama as Terrorist," MyDD, March 9, 2007.
- Melinda Henneberger, "Dems Dump Fox: Obama Comments 'Went Too Far'," The Huffington Post, March 9, 2007.
Before 2005
- The Coors Connection, a list of Joseph Coors affiliations, namebase.org, 1990.
Documents from UCSF tobacco archives
- Vigo G. (Chip) Nielsen, "CAUTI budget and expenditures to date", Bates No 87700371, December 9, 1988.
- Nielsen Merksamer, "Californians Against Unfair Tax Increases No On Prop 99 cumulative cost vs budget report", Bates No 506628179, December 9, 1988.
- Ailes Communications Inc, "CAUTI Recap", Bates No TCAL0406991, late 1988 (estimated).
- Andy Plattner, "Big tobacco's toughest road: invigorated activists and lawmakers launch new attacks on smoking", Bates No TIMN 340086, April 17, 1989.
- J Boland/T Borelli, "Monthly budget supplement Re: ETS/OHSA Federal activities, Bates No 204659149, February 17, 1993, page 2.
- Craig Fuller, Firing line show on Sin Taxes, Bates No2073010067, May 11, 1993.
- Ellen Merlo, "letter to Roger Ailes", Bates No 2023962135, June 3, 1993.
- Thomas Collamore, e-mail to Craig Fuller, Bates No 2047915175A, June 29, 1994.
Wikipedia also has an article on Roger Ailes. This article may use content from the Wikipedia article under the terms of the GFDL.


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Wednesday, June 15, 2011
False EyeLashes Haul - Cheaper by the Dozen!
16 comments:
- faye lu said...
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- June 15, 2011 at 9:40 AM
- Makeup By Aisha said...
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- June 15, 2011 at 10:35 AM
- DarlingV said...
Ren I would really like your input.. I'm doing makeup for my friends wedding, it's in July and I wanted to ask what you thought would be some really good lashes something 'natural' looking you know not over the top something pretty and tasteful?
- June 15, 2011 at 11:55 AM
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- June 15, 2011 at 12:09 PM
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- June 15, 2011 at 12:30 PM
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- June 15, 2011 at 4:25 PM
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- June 15, 2011 at 4:41 PM
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- June 15, 2011 at 9:22 PM
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- June 16, 2011 at 5:43 AM
- MakeupByRenRen said...
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re: darlingV, i recommend either ardell 108, 109, or 110...all very natural, or you can do individuals
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- June 16, 2011 at 9:41 AM
- yummy411 said...
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- June 16, 2011 at 3:22 PM
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- June 18, 2011 at 5:03 AM
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'Win It' Wednesday: Urban Decay Makeup
Want to win a fresh spring makeover from PETA? We have three of Urban Decay's top-selling vegan eye shadow palettes to give away—each one includes Urban Decay's most popular neutral shades as well as spring-ready pops of color and the award-winning black eye pencil.
To enter, just tell us which celebrity you think could use a makeover of their views on animals and what fresh ideas they should listen to. The writers who give their celebrity's ideals the most persuasive spring cleaning will win.
The contest ends on March 16, 2011, and the winners will be chosen on March 18, 2011. Be sure to read our privacy policy and terms and conditions, as you're agreeing to both by commenting. Because of a mix-up with a supplier, the eye primer shown is not vegan, so it won't be included.
No purchase necessary. Void where prohibited by law.
Good luck!
Written by Michelle Sherrow
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http://www.buzzfeed.com/melismashable/celebrities-eating-mcdonalds As to the link here, i think all these celeberties (and others that eat mcdonalds) Should try to go vegetarian or vegan, or heck, just eat some meat that's abuse free ! It would help save the cute piggies and cows from being abused and eaten.
There are so many celebrities that don't care and wear fur, which is WRONG Like: Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen, Sharon Stone, Rihanna, Paris Hilton, Kanye Wes, Jennifer Lopez Those celebrities have millions of fans all over the world who love them and look up to them and I think wearing fur and purchasing cruelty products would set a terrible example to the fans, because those fans adore them and if they are gonna see their idol use cruelty products pretty soon they're gonna wanna do the same And that would be terrible because the fur that they're going to wear was living, it was breathing, eating, moving, smiling, crying…..and who knows maybe it had a family.. kids that are now alone and need their parents while their parents are hanging in Mary Kate's closet
Someone needs to tell Paris Hilton that dogs are living creatures and NOT fashion accessories. It's so frustrating to see her and hundreds of others emulating her by carrying around tiny dogs as if they were inanimate trinkets instead of thinking, feeling animals. Dogs deserve attention, exercise, and care–NOT to be stuffed into designer handbags!
The make-up famous companies make, Look nice but have far more at stake, For they cost the lives of many, trapped in cages tortured by, "Scientists" paid by your penny, Make-up on animals is a crime, It's not worth any dime, So put your money to something good, PROTECT THE ANIMALS LIVELIHOOD.
I would say Lady Gaga , because she wore a whole dress made out of meat. She definetly needs a new make over. She needs to have new ideas about what to wear. (and what ton eat)
There are too many celebrities who need an attitude-toward-animals adjustment to choose one. Lady Gaga,Jennifer Lopez,Joan Rivers,Sarah Palin,that what's-his-name figure skater,the list goes on. I don't think there are any magic words to make them see the light.Nothing anyone has said has changed their minds.All compassionate people can do is live by example and hope the cold-hearts someday have an epiphany and warm up on their own.
Rihhana:The fur she wears is so unnecesary and crule and its a shame because her songs are really good and lots of people look up to her.She should wear faux fir and pleather insted.
I would say Britney Spears: she has been through so much and has such a psycho media image (shaving her hair off, loosing her kids, being held at a hospital for a mental breakdown) and now with her new album dropping it is time for this lovely lady to do something rational and get a complete cruelty free make over! She is so talented and so beautiful – she could influence the world. I love Britney I just hope she gives up the fur, the meat, and the animal tested products <3
Jennifer Lopez could definitely use a makeover on her views on animals. Fur is not for people to wear. There are plenty of clothing companies that make faux fur, and J. Lo being a designer herself, ought to know better. Let's pose as fur traders to get a meeting with J. Lo, and then present her with graphic videos of what really happens to the animals enlaved and tortured for their fur.
sarah palin.. she would wear a moose if she could..
Lady Gaga !
It should be the owner/s of Saga Furs company. I don't know his/her/their name/s but I think they are famous in the fashion world The company breeds animals which they later skin to get their fur. They should realize that people don't need real fur just to look fabulous.
It should be the owner/s of Saga Furs company. I don't know his/her/their name/s but I think they are famous in the fashion world The company breeds animals which they later skin to get their fur. They should realize that people don't need real fur just to look fabulous.
Johnny Weir. You don't believe in fake fur?? Like real fur that much? I bet the animals using it for survival love it even more.
In my opinion, Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen need a reality check on what they're really wearing. Between the sheared mink jackets and fox vests, i don't know which is worse. it might seem like glamour and fashion to them, but to me it seems like selfishness. I don't think animal cruelty comes to mind when they go out and buy the "latest fashion trends". it truely is a shame.
Eva Longoria: She is a vicious hunter that wears furs and other types of skins (leathers)and eats any type of animal. She glorifies killing animals and wearing them and eating them. She desperately needs a a heart.
While Lady Gaga's meat dress is impossible to not mention, I'm going to have to go with Jennifer Lopez on this one. She, or others, may claim a right to act as they chose on matters that we feel passionate about, however I believe when you so blatantly brand yourself as she has, it becomes even more profoundly important to act in a way which causes the least unecessary harm. This women not only gets constantly photographed draped in various forms of dead animals, but also has a history (I'm not sure if her clothing line still exists) of creating fur garments to sell to her often young fans, who may not yet be aware of the realities of the fur industry. It seems that in a time in which more people are banding together in order to stop injustices against animals and our planet, she seems intent on marketing the opposite of values. Not only as a mother, but also as someone who has been evident to hold clear compassion for those of human kind, I would hope that Ms. Lopez would prefer to market a more inclusive form of compassion to the generation looking up to her.
I think it should be Beyonce Knowles. She is a very talented artist and so many people look up to her. She is a beautiful woman inspiring curvy women to be proud of whom they are. But when she wears fur she is definitely sending out the wrong message. If she were to stop wearing fur (and making it for her clothes line) then many more women and teens will start to notice. Almost everyone loves Beyonce and her music; she seems like such a warm hearted person but when she wears fur she seems careless and cold hearted. Her music is inspiring and so can she, fur free.
I think it should be Beyonce Knowles. She is a very talented artist and so many people look up to her. She is a beautiful woman inspiring curvy women to be proud of whom they are. But when she wears fur she is definitely sending out the wrong message. If she were to stop wearing fur (and making it for her clothes line) then many more women and teens will start to notice. Almost everyone loves Beyonce and her music; she seems like such a warm hearted person but when she wears fur she seems careless and cold hearted. Her music is inspiring and so can she, fur free.
Obviously Miss Lopez the furderer, she should start listening to the horror stories that come out of the factories that skin the animals she wears. And really, she could just use the information to find an even better style, can anyone say faux-leather?
Rihanna. She's such an influential musical artist with tons of talent that people can look up to. She had the courage to stand up for herself after being beaten by her celebrity boyfriend. Yet, why would a girl with such a seemingly good head on her shoulders be ignorant to cruelties such as wearing fur?? Doesn't she know that violence breeds violence? A victim of violence such as Rihanna would be a perfect candidate to speak out against wearing fur and the violent nature behind it.
Jennifer Lopez. She even wears mink eyelashes. She would look even more beautiful and gain more fans by giving up all fur and going faux because we would see her having beauty from the inside out.
Lady Gaga. She is a hot new music star that promotes "Born this Way". Well, animals could be put in the mix. All animals were born to do certain behaviors, have feelings, and want to live, just like humans. Gaga could support the extinction of animal cruelty on factory farms, where animals are unable to do any behaviors that they were born to do!
So many celebrities are out of touch with the real world that they have lost all compassion for the animals we share the earth with. If I could pick anyone to have a makeover of their views on animals it would be the ever-so-famous Michael Vick. His ignorance, inhumane, and selfish acts against animals makes me sick. The lack of compassion that man has is unreal, and it is a shame to see him walk away with such a terrible thing. As a lover of animals, I cannot imagine finding enjoyment in seeing animals suffer, fight, bleed, and become vicous beasts. My mother always told me "You can find a good man by the way he treats animals", and frankly, it is quite obvious what kind of man Michael Vick is. Thank you.
Kate Moss. She is a supermodel and a trend setting icon, so it hurts to see her wear fur in almost all of her outfits. She should try her pal's Stella Mccartney's store, plus her fiance is, or was, a vegan so I'm sure he would be pleased with a fur free Kate.
UM KANYE WEST, PLEASEEEEEEE. i'm sick of seeing him wear fur as a sign of being fashionable. Yes I wear fur, but it is FAKE and still looks awesome.
Michael Vick for sure – not too long ago he said he is mad the courts wont let him have a dog for another 2 years! Are you kidding?! He should NEVER have another dog or any animal for that matter! Animals are not just convienences that can be mistreated or had just because you want one. Obviously someone learned nothing in jail!
Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen. They are ignoring pleas to stop wearing fur and using it in their fashion collection.Wearing dead animals isn't flattering, no matter how skinny you are. There is just no excuse for wearing fur as "fashion" anymore. I do not believe in killing innocent animals for the purpose of looking good, when faux fur is so easily available. We need to take them for a tour through the fur farms they get their precious fur from.
Kanye West. He wears fur all the time and thinks that it is okay because "He's a rockstar." Well that doesn't seem like a good enough reason for me. Someone needs to give him a makeover and show him what a real rockstar looks like, without wearing dead animals.
A lot of people are saying J. Lo needs to watch videos of how fur is obtained. She HAS watched these videos! Years ago PETA showed her the details and she sat to watch the videos. I read this. After she said she would continue to sell fur. (At the time she was selling clothes.) She is completely aware of what goes into fur. She severely lacks compassion.
I recently saw Oprah's friend Gayle wearing real fur when she was on TMZ. With Oprah's "spiritual" focus on her show it's quite odd her best friend supports animals being skinned alive just for a collar and cuffs on her coat. She needs to go cruelty-free.
KIM KARDASHIAN needs to stop wearing fur! She may be a bombshell on the outside but she's a wretched animal-killer on the inside that needs to STOP.
Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen. Both twins – if you can tell them apart – wear fur, carry fur bags and use fur in their fashion lines. Wearing a dead animal isn't flattering, no matter how skinny you are. There is just no excuse for wearing fur as "fashion" anymore. They ignored pleas to stop wearing fur and are still using it in their fashion collection. Celebrities are a major influence on fashion, they are basically telling people that killing and wearing dead animals is ok, it's not !
I'm going with Ozzy Osbourne. Although it was years ago, biting the head off of a bad is inhumane and repulsive. And to think he did it all for "show"…how unassumingly abusive and horrible.
Jennifer Lopez.She is so beatiful and amazing…..
Sarah Palin: This gun-toting charmer loves nothing better than mercilessly hunting down and shooting majestic wolves and moose. She also has no qualms about cracking a whip over the collective straining backs of a dog sled team, and teaches her children fishing for salmon and killing them is entertainment. She even decorates her house with a genuine bear skin rug! I believe she needs to understand the beautiful state of Alaska and all of its' bounties can be enjoyed without hunting, fishing, wearing/decorating with fur. She could be cajoled into believing that hunting animals for pure sport and using their fur for vain reasons is not politically correct any longer.
Arethra Franklin. She's been living, knowingly and proudly, in the dark ages her entire adult life. She has been pleaded with and reasoned with, to no avail. She won't change while she's alive, but this makeup would make her look decent in her coffin.
Definitely John Galliano! His use of fur in fashion shows and his anti-Semitic slurs make him a perfect candidate for a makeover of views. People and animals should all be treated with respect and dignity. We all share this world together and don't need the garbage talk and actions he has displayed. Mr. Galliano should take a page from cruelty-free designer Todd Oldham's life!
Kim Kardashian, she's always wearing nasty fur… sick… just because she's rich doesn't mean she has to wear real fur… she can have a heart and wear faux fur. I wonder how Khloe feels about it since she did that PETA ad…?
While I hate to catagorize this person as a celebrity, I nominate Sarah Palin. This gun-toting, lipstick-wearing charmer loves nothing better than mercilessly hunting down and shooting beautiful wolves and moose. Has no qualms about cracking a whip over the straining backs of a dog sled team, teaches her children fishes for salmon and killing them is a fun sport. She has also been known to wear for and owns an authentic bear skin rug, upon which her children romp and play, with no apparant thoughts regarding the once grand animal who died to provide said skin. Sarah and her children could benefit from understanding animals do not have to suffer in order for her to look beautiful, or to enjoy the gorgeous state of Alaska, or to decorate her home.
Lady Gaga needs a makeover for her Meat Dress that made me sad and sick at the same time. Lady Gaga is a smart business wo,an and very liberal and progressive with her views on other issues relating to people,and she just needs some enlightenment when it comes to all living things.
He's not much of a celebrity but Utah republican state rep. Curt Oda proposed a bill to weaken anti-cruelty laws in order to allow citizens to "humanely kill" feral animals. I'm not sure if the bill was ever passed but it would have allowed anyone to shoot, club or even decapitate loose animals at will. What world does this guy live in? It's bad enough that most animals in shelters will have to be euthanized but apparently some cruel people want to take it one step further.
Kat Von d. As much as I love her and her style, it makes me sad to see her wear so much leather. She has a new clothing line and I believe it has a lot of leather. As much as I would like to support her line, I just can't bring myself to do it.
Kim Kardashian should listen to her sister Kourtney who did a nude PETA campaign. Kim needs to drop the animals and look for aleternatives. Whats sad is many girls look to her for fashion yet she is wearing animals and this may encourage others to follow her. Kim needs a vegan makeover!
i think it would be Eva Longoria. shes proud to wear fur , wich is disgusting. and she also states, "I can skin a deer and a pig and a snake – and rabbits.". what more is there to say
Paris Hilton. Because she uses her puppys as acessories and uses fur clothing. Many young girls see her as a role model, and she needs to change her atittude and be an example for girls. Many celebreties do this, all of them need to change, for the well beeing of all animals and our youth.


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Skip to comments.Another life cut short by an unforgiving game [Junior Seau]
Posted on 05/03/2012 4:17:30 AM PDT by No One Special
Professional football should come with a warning label. Like cigarettes, football can be hazardous to your health ... and all too frequently lately it can be fatal.
If the sad truth of Junior Seaus tragic death yesterday is that it came by his own hand, as Oceanside, Calif., police believe was the case, he is only the latest example of the ravages of a sport whose concussive demands seem to be regularly destroying its own.
Only a week ago, Ray Easterling, a former defensive back with the Atlanta Falcons, took his life in similar fashion with a handgun that lay by his side when his wife found his body inside their home in Richmond, Va. Seau was found similarly in a bedroom overlooking the Pacific Ocean by his girlfriend yesterday morning.
Like ex-Chicago Bears safety Dave Duerson, who took his life a year ago, Seau apparently shot himself in the chest. In Duersons case a note he left made clear he had done so to preserve his brain for study by a Boston University medical team tying head trauma in sports to the presence of CTE (chronic traumatic encephalopathy), a protein buildup in the brain causing progressive degenerative deterioration.
The accumulation of tau protein kills certain parts of the brain related to impulse control and results in dementia, early onset Alzheimers, memory loss, aggression, confusion and depression. Often it leads to suicide.
Easterling was the lead plaintiff in the first of what has become an avalanche of lawsuits filed by more than 1,000 retired NFL players against the league, charging it with knowingly and willingly ignoring information tying concussions with long-term brain damage. According to the Easterling lawsuit filed last August, the NFL continuously and vehemently denied that it knew, should have known or believed that there is any relationship between NFL players suffering concussions while playing ... and long-term problems such as headaches, dizziness, dementia and/or Alzheimers disease that many retired players have experienced.
Easterling, 62, allegedly suffered bouts of depression, insomnia and other symptoms linked to repeated head trauma for 20 years before being diagnosed a year ago with dementia. Seau was 43 when he took his life, barely three years after the end of a 20-year NFL career in which he was a 12-time Pro Bowl selection and the definition of the often misused term first ballot Hall of Famer.
He felt like his brain was falling off, Easterlings wife, Mary Ann, told foxsports.com after his death. He was losing control.
Now we have Seau, a gentle bear of a man known in San Diego not only for his exemplary playing career but also for his charitable foundation begun 20 years ago and for a popular restaurant that bore his name. He had, it would seem, everything to live for, but ended up alone and despairing in his final minutes after having texted his ex-wife, Gina DeBoer, and their three children individually I love you the previous day.
None thought much of it beyond appreciating that expression, but late yesterday DeBoer responded to the tragedy on her Facebook page with one word: lost.
There is so much pain in that one word and in Seaus passing. Anyone who knew him quickly recognized his passion for football and life, a man easily approachable and openly kind, even to strangers.
Now he is gone in a haze very likely caused by the savagery of the game he loved. Pro football and the men who run it have much to think about this morning beyond grief. They have to think about where their game is headed.
The loss of this great athlete, and, by all accounts, exemplary human being is tragic - and doubly so since it gives ammunition to the "zero tolerance for risk", "wrap in cotton cradle-to-the-grave" proponents...
But trying to imply that football was responsible is total bs. The rate for teen suicide is higher than any other group, but using this guys logic implies that you just should't be a teen.
To compare apples to apples, how does the suicide rate among former NFL players compare to that of former major league baseball players? I don't know but would be interested in finding out.
To indicate my bias, I detest football, it's an ugly game in my view. And I think baseball is the finest sport ever conceived by the mind of man. But that's just me.
Nobody took more blows to the head than Muhammed Ali, He may be punchy , but he hasn't killed himself.
That is not accurate. According to NIMH, the highest rate (14.3 per 100,000) is for people 65 and older. The next highest is ages 20-24, followed by 15-19.
The author's logic is correct, as far as it goes. If men from age groups that are less likely to commit suicide are doing so in unexpected numbers, then perhaps they have a significant factor in common: a factor such as head trauma. This reasoning doesn't prove the causation, but the article says physical studies and other research are being done on the subject.
-—Seau was 43 when he took his life, barely three years after the end of a 20-year NFL career in which he was a 12-time Pro Bowl selection.——
My guess is post-retirement depression (which usually manifests itself in a new career of drug-dealing). His first suicide attempt came the year after he retired.
I heard Fred Smerlas talk about the phenomenon this morning.
If I were trying to ruin America...I'd blame the NFL for every former player's suicide.
How long ago was he divorced and what role does the divorce play in the suicide? Seems that would be a far more proximate cause than football.
(Please note that concussions do need to be watched out for, and I believe the NFL is doing a better job of that. I don't believe that concussions lead directly to suicide for these guys who have everything else going for them though)
I'm with you, OP. I LOVE baseball. Football, not so much.
Nobody took more blows to the head than Muhammed Ali,
A good response to this article. And something else could be related to the demise of some of these pro's.... all the wealth poured up-on these athletes should be considered. Not many can grasp or hold on to money. Often, many end in debt's (phy) they cannot repay.
And why did he love the game? And why was he so good at it? Yah, he was one tough SOB willing to give it as much as take it. Pro football is not for the faint of heart, but if they change it so that it is for the faint of heart in order to try and prevent CTE....well...guys like Seau probably won't want to play it, and a lot of fans won't want to watch it.
Ali didn't box weekend after weekend after weekend, year after year after year. Bad comparison.
I'm not one to tell people what to do with themselves, as long as their actions don't unduly affect others, but the human body wasn't made to endure football. Anyone who doesn't recognize that is in dreamland.
Even if I thought it was fun to watch, I wouldn't. I consider it to much like the roman gladiator games. I wont amuse myself that way.
"..guys like Seau probably won't want to play it, and a lot of fans won't want to watch it. "
It's almost unwatchable now, with a rule book that rivals the US Tax Code for convolution and complexity, compounded by Instant Replay — and, increasingly, the involvement of lawyers in the minutae of the game...
Ali didn't wear a helmet either.
You and I, both. And the denial here shown by some is disturbing.
That said, I'd be at least as worried about the effect of playing football on the developing brain.
First — it's very sad to hear of his death. He seemed like a good guy.
Second — who thinks they can repeatedly hit their head on something(s) and come out ok afterward? Esp. when it happens for weeks on end, year after year. It does not take 'studies' to figure out that, gee, multiple concussions can't be good for brain matter.
So, on the one hand: lots of money, fame, etc. On the other, brain damage. I think NFL players picked their poison.
George Chuvalo (The Rock) certainly did, and many of them at the hands of Ali, whom he fought twice. Despite that, George's speech and thought is still as clear as a bell.
There are other sports that have similar issues.
The problem with football is that there is to much padding. As Dikta said, take away the face masks and they will stop leading with their heads.
I have seen other people who left sports suffer from depression. It is actually very common. Did the head trauma have an effect? It may. But leaving the game they love and have dedicated their life to is very upsetting.
I could be wrong but I think Ali is at the point where he is incapable of taking his own life even if he wanted to.
Last I heard, soccer was almost as safety as shuffle board. All sports activities have some physical risks, but football is by far the worst. Especially with the competition for an NFL position.
Do what your want, but I wouldn't allowed a child of mine to play football, and would discourage them from watching. Football is a pure blood sport that is as vicious as gladatorial games in rome.
And Ali has endured a debilitating, neurological illness
Football isn't the worst for injuries, but it is the most popular. Boxing and MMA takes a much harder tole on people.
So, on the one hand: lots of money, fame, etc. On the other, brain damage. I think NFL players picked their poison.
What about soccer, which features the "head shot," in which the player uses his head to hit the ball? And don't forget baseball. Tony Conigliaro's death at the age of 45 was probably due, at least in part, to having been hit in the head by a bean ball.
I agree. Football players nowadays use their bodies as missiles and too often lead with their heads. That's not the way the game used to be played. It's the product of up-armoring the players.
Football has always been a rough game, but I'd bet that if one could find reliable comparative statistics from 1930 through the 1960's or so, one would not find nearly the modern incidence of brain injury. A comparison with rugby players would also be instructive.
...should read 'clocked by a bat once or twice'. Could be that brain damage kicking in early. ;-)
And no more face masking penalties. However, a lot more broken noses, black eyes etc. Better those though than concussions. My father played four years of college ball in the days when you played both defense and offense (center and linebacker)....all with a leather helmet. His only injury was a broken leg while coaching.
My guess is that "ost-retirement depression" is caused by a forced life style change imposed by lack of money. These guys during their playing years invariably live a life style as though it will go on forever. Then, when the music stops and hence the money stops they can't deal with it. Result, suicide....
Injuries in baseball are usually minor compared to football, and they don't get hit in the head very often. in football, they make physical contact in almost every play. And by physical contact, I mean someone gets body slammed each time.
I'd agreed that hitting a ball with your head in soccer isn't too bright, it isn't the same as getting hit by a 200+ lb. man coming at you in full charge, with five more right behind him.
What is MMA?
However, KOOKS has been opposed by Big Soccer, which includes corporate giants such as Addidas which have a financial stake in the sport.
This is a joke, right? I can't see rush ever involved in something like that.
Then there's the well-known sad case of relief pitcher Donnie Moore's suicide a few months after his baseball career ended.
Considering the way the NFL establishment has treated him over the years, Limbaugh might ought to think about favoring soccer football over American gridiron football.
Mixed Martial Arts.
Boxing using more than your hands. Very brutal
And your free market/social darwinism outlook is one I might have shared even just a couple of years ago. No longer. Any person suffering from depression would gladly trade any material riches they have to be rid of it. Sadly, though, the damage was likely done to these individuals before they had ability to understand its ramifications.
Without an audience, without the promise of riches and fame, football would be consigned to the same area in our culture as fight clubs.
you have "bad" info. Studies, as far back as the 1960's, have shown that Soccer causes more head injuries and later in life "punch drunkenness"than either boxing or football. They not only use the head on the ball but constantly bang heads going for a ball,without head gear. A note- leather balls, after getting wet(grass, rain, dew,etc), are extremely dense
you have "bad" info. Studies, as far back as the 1960's, have shown that Soccer causes more head injuries and later in life "punch drunkenness"than either boxing or football. They not only use the head on the ball but constantly bang heads going for a ball,without head gear. A note- leather balls, after getting wet(grass, rain, dew,etc), are extremely dense
Flag football ... is that where this is going?
I've been a NFL season ticket holder for 35 years ... it's a rough game & players that make it to the NFL are handsomely rewarded. Some players walk away disabled ... that's the risk they take going in ... and given the opportunity to start their football career over again most would follow that same path.
Give me a break. He had been divorced TEN YEARS.
Some of the folks on this thread, insisting football can't possibly have been a factor because They Believe, willfully ignore the physical brain studies.
I've seen what brain injury can do to a person and can understand why these players would take their lives before they full lost control and became unrecognizable as themselves.
Some of the folks on this thread, insisting football can't possibly have been a factor because They Believe, willfully ignore the physical brain studies.
I've seen what brain injury can do to a person and can understand why these players would take their lives before they full lost control and became unrecognizable as themselves.
I have no clue if his suicide was related to his years of playing football or not, but I do know playing that video of his mother over & over again is unnecessary and cruel. I can understand airing it once, maybe twice. Other than that, over the top.
May he rest in peace. By all accounts he was a good man who helped others, but could not reach out for his own help.
When you play rugby, you have to be very careful where you put your head when tackling people. There is another caution about dirty play in rugby. You are on the field for 80 minutes. That is a long time for your opponents and their mates to get even!
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If you're looking for a serene spot free of modern day stressors, where kids can just be kids again, take this as your cue to head to Heritage Park. Families find it easy to dial it down at this historical village, while creating lasting memories. Here are five memorable ways to reconnect.
1. Learn to be a Voyageur
Do you have what it takes to become a voyageur? Find out at the Hudson Bay Company Fir Trading Fort during a fun training session where families practice precise paddling and belt out voyageur diddies.
2. Sugarcoat your Stay
Baking from scratch has become something of a lost art, so consider it your parental duty to visit the bakery. Will you tuck into freshly baked cheese buns or gooey butter tarts still warm from the oven? Just don't forget to hit up the Candy Store, where brown paper bags can be filled with an assortment of brightly coloured penny candies to savour throughout the day.
3. Take the Road Less Travelled
Take your treats on a relaxing ride as you explore new areas of the park, either on a horse-drawn wagon ride or century-old steam train, as it winds its way past three stations (much to the delight of Thomas the Tank fans!). Should petite pioneers get pooped out, revive them with a rest on the paddle wheel boat, as it completes a leisurely circle in the Glenmore Reservoir.
4. Explore the First Nations Encampment
First Nations interpreters lead hands-on activities based on centuries old traditions. Kids feel like they've accomplished something after helping raise a tipi, learning to shoot a bow and arrow and trying their hand at tradition First Nations games.
5. Conquer the Midway
Step back into an old fashioned carnival setting, as the scent of popcorn wafts past antique midway rides. Stunning views of both the mountains and city scape are found on the ferris wheel, or steal a kiss on the Caterpillar, just as they did in the Edwardian era. There's even rides for the very wee-ones and plenty of retro games to try your luck at.
Location: 1900 Heritage Drive, SW
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BMW 750Li
One piece of eggshell can spoil the enjoyment of a whole omelet, and that's how it was with my evaluation of the all-new BMW 750Li. While the car I tested had only 3,000 miles on the odometer, they had been accrued at the hands, and perhaps the leaden pedal feet, of the press corps in the American West. By the time the car had been trucked across the continent for press duty in the Northeast, something was out of kilter in the front end-a gimpy strut, perhaps, or maybe an injured bushing or ball joint. The car felt OK at a good clip on decent roads, but at residential-area speeds it lacked the poise one expects of the "ultimate driving machine" and the flagship of Bavarian luxury.
On the last day of the test, the local BMW dealer let me drive a 750i demonstrator with the same sport package that the test car featured. After its tires had warmed and softened the stiffness of a cool night, the dealer's car felt poised and solid. BMW still builds a good car, the sun will still rise and, as the saying goes, all is well in the land. (Actually, of course, all is far from well in the land, but among car manufacturers BMW is doing less badly than most, thanks to some prudent planning and cutbacks last year.)
With my test-long mutterings about shakes, rattles and slipping standards eliminated, the new 750 turns out to be better than good. When it's in fine fettle, it combines in one package something for every occupant-stupendous brainpower (much of it reminiscent of aerospace technology), horsepower (a twin-turbocharged 407 of them), agility and great comfort. The intelligence of the car is mind-blowing, bristling as it is with sensors to monitor an Al Qaeda-scale array of imminent threats.
Decades ago these sensors would have been called "electric eyes," and the 750Li has at least 15 of them. The big one scanning forward from beneath the bumper gives the active cruise control insight into what lies ahead; once it has been engaged and a cruise speed selected, the system reacts by maintaining whichever of four distance separations the driver selects between the 750Li and the traffic ahead. If the car ahead slows, the 750Li follows suit, even braking to a full stop if necessary, narrowing the separation as speed decays.
Once traffic starts to move again, the 750Li driver simply pushes lightly on the accelerator or taps the resume button on the steering wheel-while keeping his feet flat on the floor for as long as his nerve holds. Mindful of the need to return the car undamaged, I kept my foot hovering over the pedals throughout all this autopiloted motoring. Only once did my courage crack; I stomped on the brake just to be sure the stopped-dead car ahead wouldn't get nudged. It probably wouldn't have happened but powerful instinct is hard to override.
This is a clever system, not easily startled by cars that cut in front: in that case, the BMW reacts with a judicious but minor and temporary easing off of power, recognizing almost immediately that the threat is receding. As the sudden lane intruder continues to pull ahead, the BMW settles back to its selected cruise speed and stays there until it espies something else to watch and react to.
Presumably so the car doesn't screech to a halt at every sizeable solid object, BMW's automatic braking system does not prevent you from running into the back of a parked vehicle. For example: I was following a car up a hill at about 30 mph, with the system keeping me a safe distance behind. The car ahead moved out to the left to steer around a parked U.S. Mail van, and rather than follow the car I stayed on the right, putting the van dead ahead and the fear of God into my four passengers because the BMW made no attempt to stop. I had read about this limitation in the owner's manual and brought down my poised foot on the brake pedal to stop the car myself. Otherwise we would have rear-ended the van at 30 mph.
The other eye in the face feeds an infrared night-vision image to the nav/info screen in the center of the car's fascia and warnings to the head-up display. Pedestrian-recognition technology activates above 25 mph and paints the walker (or bicyclist or stroller-pusher) with a yellow tint if the computer calculates that a collision is imminent. A third eye in the top center of the windscreen monitors the position of lane markings or blacktop seams in the road below and (in the absence of the driver's selecting a turn signal) shakes the steering wheel if the car drifts; the aerospace equivalent would be the "stick shaker" that rattles and finally pushes on the control column as an airplane approaches a perilously high angle of attack and low airspeed. The BMW does not automatically herd the drifting car back into its lane, but it sends a message to the nut behind the wheel.
More eyes in the front and rear bumpers monitor the proximity of objects during parking. Yet more eyes, scanning from the car's rear bumper, monitor for vehicles lurking in the driver's blind spot; as long as the driver selects a turn signal before changing lanes, the system buzzes the steering wheel if a side collision is waiting to happen. Every time a vehicle moves into the blind spot a white warning triangle in the stem of the BMW's side mirror lights up; with application of a turn signal it turns red to accompany the steering-wheel buzzing. And yet more eyes look sideways from the snout for easing into a road at 90 degrees, just as they do in a Rolls-Royce Phantom.
The 750Li has 5.5 inches more length overall than the 750i, and it all goes into rear-seat legroom, which is copious. Rounding off the aerospace gadgetry is the head-up display (reflections of its sunlit framework in the windscreen are a bit distracting) and four-wheel steering (as on the B-52 bomber), the latter a boon for negotiating sharp 90-degree turns or U turns without the K.
The 750Li might well be the "ultimate thinking machine," but how does it drive? With healthy shocks and bushings all round, it drives the way a BMW should, exhibiting sure-footed turn-in, little body roll (even less with the sport package), and good grip and suspension damping, all of which connect the driver to the road surface and the driving experience just dandily. Those are prominent among the BMW traits that enthusiasts love. Uncle Hank, retired from his lucrative consultancy, will be happy to throw his Callaway Big Berthas in the trunk once he's pushed the button that opens the lid, select normal or comfort suspension mode and trundle off to the country club. He probably doesn't care about such youthful pursuits, but he might even draw some contentment from knowing that, if he wanted to, he could trounce the majority of cars when the light turns green.
BMW 750Li Stats
Engine: twin-turbo V8, 4.4 liters, 32 valves
Engine output: 407 hp @ 5500-6400 rpm, 443 lb-ft @ 1750-4500 rpm
Transmission: six-speed automatic
Weight: curb, 4,644 lb
Power loading: 11.4 lb/hp
Drag Cd: 0.31
Top speed (governed): 155 mph
Zero to 60 mph: 5.2 sec
Fuel capacity: 21.6 U.S. gal
City/highway (EPA): 14/22 mpg
Test average: 18.1 mpg
Test tires: Goodyear Excellence, Front: 245/45R19, Rear: 275/40R19
Standard retail price: $84,200
Price as tested: $110,170
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Last Monday night Cogswell hosted a visit by Lucasfilm Recruiters. They showed some of the pioneering work the done by the various divisions of Lucasfilm, and even showed some work in production. They spoke about some of the changes in the industry and how graduating students can prepare for a career- in particular, the Jedi Academy Internship.
One of the most interesting points was that there are a few rare entry level positions with these companies. They are looking for strong Riggers at the moment, and they are always looking for entry level Technical Directors. The Recruiter from Lucasfilm Animation stressed that your chances of landing an entry level job increase exponentially if you are an animator but you have some programming and scripting under your belt.
This visit highlights the importance of always keeping a reel in progress. If you were prepared on Monday night, there was a good chance you could have picked up a rigging gig at LucasArts! Just another example of why it is better to prepare than to plan. Many times students hear about openings and start to prepare a reel, but by the time they are ready the opportunity has long passed. Be diligent and always have your best work ready to show to recruiters.
I want to mention that we are running Rigging 1 right now, and we will offer Rigging 2 next semester. You probably already know that we updated our Scripting for CG class that we are running now, and if there is interest, we can run again next term. One other course to note is the new Game Level Design 2 on the schedule next semester. The Spring 2010 class schedule will be released next week.
Keep your eyes open for the next industry visit, and keep that reel up to date!
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Anyone happen to catch the latest edition of Tee It Up Ohio on STO?
They were out at a new place, in Canton, called "The Quarry". Carved out of an actual quarry. Best outside deck I've ever seen. Hold like 200 people, outdoor bar, overlooks 18 ... which is an amazing hole.
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Laboratory Dog Breeder Shut Down
|In laboratories like this one operated by Iams and the breeding facilities that supply them, beagles are abused in ways that would warrant cruelty charges if the dogs lived with a family.
U.K.-based Harlan Hillcrest Farm—a facility that bred thousands of beagles in deplorable conditions before selling them to be abused and killed in cruel experiments—is closing after being besieged by advocates for animals.
During their time at Harlan, dogs were confined to tiny wire mesh cages that were spray-washed just once a month. They were only allowed out of the cages for 20 minutes a week. A former animal technician at Harlan reported that workers wrote curse words on the beagles' faces, shaved pictures into their fur, and punched and kicked the dogs.
And the problems for Harlan don't end there: Last week, the company also announced that it was laying off more than 100 people at one of its Swiss facilities—which breeds and conducts cruel tests on mice, rats, rabbits, hamsters, dogs, and pigs—because business is hurting.
Bad news for Harlan is great news for animals.
While PETA and other animal organizations work to shut down laboratories and their animal suppliers one by one, you can help by buying cruelty-free products and letting companies that experiment on animals and that do business with companies like Harlan know why you won't be a customer.
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Truly i wish for each person who tortures an animal to suffer the same fate.
why not attack that labors? WHY NOT?
I cant get the images out of my head. How rotten are we to our animal friends. There has to be a better future starting immediately.
I think "Annie bode" is a right. I totally agree with his comment.
Thank God. It's closed.
I am really pleased Hillcrest is closed down. I am so sick of reading about animals being abused by humans. STOP TESTING ON ANIMALS NOW.
I cannot believe how such crimes can happend. Dogs would not allow other dogs to suffer in such a way why don't We learn compasion from them.
i was at many of these demonstrations, was very rewarding and im SOOO glad that its now closed, we are now working on the other Harlan site in Huntingdon 🙂 xxx
Is this the same American Company that asked for planning permission to build in the UK? Planning permission was turned down due to the efforts of PETA UK and the British public outrage. We will not accept this kind of abuse here.
Doing vivisection/animal testing and such for no reason, or product testing is stupid and cruel. I think that tests should ONLY be done for medical research(take for example the discovery of insulin), but also in a non-cruel method
It's horrible to do such things to animal. I didn't know when i bought my dog (7 years ago) but she was coming from a pet shop, which bought all their dogs in CZECH REPUBLIC, and i'm sure it was from that kind of laboratory… When she was young, she was scarred of everything, not strange when you know such things. But now sh's really cute 🙂
Hope to see them all end in the near future, that means now!
100 less people abusing animals for profit! Every little bit helps animals. Shame on those people! Glad this horrid company/group of people got "punched and kicked" out of their jobs! Hopefully more peole will be laid off!
exactly, we have enough technology to avoid this. plus if these people would hurt animals, imagine how much closer they are than the rest of us to hurt humans? in doing some research, i believe military bases out there in the global world are experimenting on caged, kidnapped humans 🙁 …i wanna b a scientist, but i wud refuse to hurt a live animal. there's no justification for it even in the medical field.
Why do they not stop testing on animals and give deathrow and life prisoners the chance for some show of remorse and also do testing on those that do these evil barbaric things when caught ?? Its so torturous.
Stop it
so cruel..,i cant find right words to describe this unhumanity!
Selling animals to be abused and killed in cruel experiments an absolute horendous action. Beagles are such a gentle dog, it is a crime to do such a thing as breed them just to sell them to Labs for testing experiments. All animal tested products have been removed from my list of purchases, and I only purchase cruelty free products. These Labs should be shut down, there is no need to use animals with all the technology we have now.


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Some I'm kind of new to the game and could use some guidance here.
I have had several Taiwanese oolongs from a local tea shop that really piqued my interest, but the truth is that I have no idea what actual teas they were (each was simply described as "High Mountain Oolong", with slightly different levels of oxidation).
Everything from the fragrance, the taste, the mouth feel, and the evolution of these characteristics during different infusions has me hooked.
So now I'm at the point where I want to branch out and see what else is out there. Could you guys recommend some good Taiwanese oolongs for me to try out? I want something that's at least decent and representative of each tea, but at the same time I obviously don't want to drop big time money while I'm in the exploratory stages.
If it helps, I intend to keep brewing with my small porcelain gaiwan, and I usually tend to gravitate more toward the greener side of oolongs.
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The Trail Runner UROC is the brain child of the accomplished trail runners Gill, 44, and his wife, Francesca Conte, 39, who own the Charlottesville Running Company shop and Bad to the Bone Endurance Sports, a production company that puts on a slew of races in the Charlottesville area. Gill and Conte know running. Conte, ruddy-faced with dark curly hair often held back by a headband and a ready warm smile, originally hails from Italy and retains a slight accent. She has amassed a long list of top ultra finishes, including a course-record win at this year's Headlands Hundred 100-miler in California. Likewise, Gill's resume is stacked, with strong finishes in races from 5K to 100 miles, including Colorado's Leadville Trail 100-miler.
Gill and Conte's audacious goal is to establish a true ultrarunning championship race, attracting the best runners in the world.
"All sports have their day, whether it's the Super Bowl or the Stanley Cup, where the best of the best battle it out to determine who's the best at that sport that particular year," says Gill. "That is UROC's goal for ultrarunning, and we designed the course to be on mixed surfaces to test a wide array of abilities."
For a first-year event, UROC attained a relatively large field high-caliber athletes. Gill and Conte offered three tiers of athlete support, the top level proffering local transportation, meals and lodging expenses and an appearance fee. The event offered a cash purse of $10,000, which would be evenly split between the men and women's fields (1st: $2500, 2nd: $1000, 3rd: $750, 4th: $500, 5th: $250). Although puny by road standards, the potential payoff apparently convinced some runners to attend.
"My wife gave me a hall pass because of the prize money," said Dave Mackey, 41, of Marin, California, another pre-race favorite.
And why 100 kilometers? "First, the 100-kilometer distance is internationally recognized as the ultrarunning distance," says Conte. "In fact, it is currently being considered for an Olympic distance. Second, with our primary goal to create the Super Bowl of Ultrarunning, we wanted to encourage elite runners of varied strengths to participate. With speed versus endurance as a constant dichotomy, the 100K distance, combined with the mixed course, favors neither." (Offering options to a wide variety of tastes, UROC featured two other events the same day—the Uber Rock 50K and the Cruxy Half Marathon, which shared many of the same sections of the 100K race. In total, there were 366 starters for the three events combined.)
Says Geoff Roes, 35, of Nederland, Colorado, 2009 and 2010 Ultrarunner of the Year, and winner of California's 2010 Western States 100-Mile Endurance Run, whom Gill and Conte had recruited as Elite Athlete Coordinator. "Overall I think we were able to get more top runners to run UROC than most first-year races, simply by reaching out and letting runners know about the race and that we would like to have them run it."


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Skip to comments.Illinois clergy endorse gay marriage bill
Posted on 12/28/2012 5:11:18 AM PST by 1010RDEdited on 12/28/2012 5:14:39 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
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Normal is defined as: 1.usual: conforming to the usual standard, type, or custom 2.healthy: physically, mentally, and emotionally healthy 3.occurring naturally: maintained or occurring in a natural state
We know that homosexuality occurs naturally. There is no homosexual gene, but epigenetic changes affecting hormones and a child's environment seem to be the cause of homosexuality. It occurs in some animal species, but is an evolutionary dead end.
Is it usual? No, homosexuality is rare and unusual. Heterosexuality is common and usual. There are no successful civilizations built on homosexuality. The history of humankind is heterosexual. So in this case homosexuality is abnormal.
Is it healthy? No, homosexuality is not healthy from a physical standpoint and homosexuals suffer from a variety of diseases directly related to their sexual practices. Homosexuality is not mentally healthy. See the DSM prior to 1972. Also see WBEZ's This American Life for Ira Glass' excellent episode on how the APA changed homosexuality from a mental illness listed in the DSM based not on any science, but on emotion and politics: http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/204/81-words
It is also not emotionally healthy as seen in the suicide rate, drug and alcohol abuse rate and physical abuse rate in the homosexual community. Keep in mind that homosexuals are a very small subset of the human population, but a very large subset of the above groups. Even the term "gay" is an intentional misnomer created by those with same-gender attraction to describe their misery.
Given the above we should not be indulging those with same-sex attractions or encouraging more of it, but lovingly treating those with same-gender attraction. It remains a mental illness despite the politics and emotion surrounding the issue and is treatable as those who have left the lifestyle will attest.
Also note that the bill endorses "gender identity" so that the mental illness of transvestitism or transexuality are also "normalized".
Can you imagine the Pandora's Box of problems that come with nomalizing a person who thinks they're the wrong sex?
BS! It is not a mental illness - you bought the lie! It is pure evil!
Sorry, had to ACCURATELY correct the header!
Glad you pointed that out....how many of the established church leaders follow this concept....zero.
I disagree with your assertion of homosexuality occurring "naturally!"
Hormones swings of high concentrations do not change your sex. They do not "cause" you to become homosexual, that is a choice. It may even be that "feelings" or "motivations" are strong. You may be "aroused" by seeing nakedness of the same sex and not of the opposite sex...it does NOT make you homosexual. It is an out of balance condition that when balanced changes everything you "feel." Whether or not you act on it, when you go in that direction against what you later established firmly as abnormal then says you are homosexual or not. It is a choice, notwithstanding the feelings...you must act.
It's a CHOICE. JMHO.
We are near to having technology available to correct DNA problems ~ in fact, glucophage and glipizide appear to work by rewriting DNA in the cell nucleus ~ and they've been around a good 20 years.
When the CURE appears on the market in pill form we'll still have folks wandering about telling us that it's a choice ~ and they'll refuse to take their pills.
We will have to make the cure mandatory.
and they in turn are misleading their congregations, too, so there will be a special place in hell for them.
God does reign supreme, and He will hold them accountable!
I'll wager this endorsement list will be the most interesting since Santa's 2012 Christmas list.
I'll also bet that the list is loaded with non-denominationals, radical and "progressive" main stream churches, college campus "churches", ministers who are Obama's old buddies and supporters in his old community-organizer neighborhood, and some just plain independently weird congregations scattered here and there around Illinois.
If any Freeper comes across the entire list and cares to post it here, I'd sure appreciate it and I'm sure others would, too....just to be "checkin' it twice" to get the feel of the pro-gay movement among the "religious" pastors, ministers, priests and rabbis in the state.
When will we see published an anti-gay marriage list of clergy endorsers by the liberal leading Chicago newspapers, hmmm?
Whenever you see public officials endorse homosexual marriage, you will always find a wealthy homosexual benefactor hiding in the background. Just like Glen Beck and Newt Gingrich suddenly endorsing queer marriage. They were bought off. There is an Obama troglodyte (Rahm Emmanuel) hiding somewhere in all this. You can bank on it.
This country sure is obsessed with homosexuality. Everything is about homosexuality these days. We've become a nation of sexual deviants.
Any words of support from NOI leader Louis Farrakhan yet?
I say this because there are a lot of things that are normal (by some a simple one-part definition: i.e. does it occur in nature) and are also very damaging to human flourishing. You sort of covered this by asserting a complex 3-part definition of "normal" --- I get that --- but most people wouldthink of "normal" meaning "within a standard range of variations," and conclude that hoimosexuality is normal just like left-handedness is normal.
I would argue that the heart of the question does not require an evaluation of homosexuality as a trait (a tendency or personality variation) but does demand an evaluation of marriage.
Namely, in a world with a huge number of friendship and relationship possibilities, how is marriage uniquely suited only for a male and a female?
Most forms of friendship between adults occur without any external ceremonies, licensing, or regulations. It is assumed that two adults (or three, or any number of adults) will regulate their quilting circle, their bowling team, their fitness-walking-buddyhood, their joint foodie explorations, their gabfests, their romances and amours, or whatever, according to their own preferenes and without public recognition or oversight.
If the adults' relationship involves money, or property, or goods or services, that's what private contracts are all about: again, the adults are assumed capable of contracting to their own mutual satisfaction.
In sum: adults don't need oversight to regulate their relations with colleagues, friends, or lovers.
How is marriage between a woman and a man different from this? Because their sexual union (formalized in marriage) is the only kind of sexual union which can bring forth dependent offspring. And there needs to be an institution which keeps the man and the woman together with any children they bear.
In other words, marriage is not essentially about the intimate relations of adults. Theyu can manage that as they like. Marriage is essentially a bond between a potentially procreating couple, and the children who result from the bond.
If it were not for the possibility of begetting, the state would have no legitimate interest in the relationships of adults per se. There is no PUBLIC interest in regulating romances and love affairs. The PUBLIC interest is in securing the rights of dependent children by recognizing and defending their bond with their natural father and mother.
250 Leaders of congregations bowing to the father of lies, satan, endorse gay marriage.
Just had to bring a tad bit more clarity to the situation.
I guess that supersedes fostering adherence to the very clear Biblical stances against homosexuality.
250 Leaders of congregations bowing to the father of lies, satan, endorse gay marriage.
Just had to bring a tad bit more clarity to the situation.
Double tap....lol
Also: "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters , nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality" 1 Corinthians 6:9
Nothing about Iillinois surprises me anymore. I have met many horrible and pathetic excuses for human beings from that state and this is not just a few here or there. Every last one of em I've met seems to be liberal and foul-mouthed with a nasty deposition. And just about every one of them were alcoholics and/or drug users. Need I say I don't care fr that state or it's people though there may be a few exceptions but I'm willing to bet they're transplants.
Nothing about Iillinois surprises me anymore. I have met many horrible and pathetic excuses for human beings from that state and this is not just a few here or there. Every last one of em I've met seems to be liberal and foul-mouthed with a nasty disposition. And just about every one of them were alcoholics and/or drug users. Need I say I don't care fr that state or it's people though there may be a few exceptions but I'm willing to bet they're transplants.
Well, that and facilitating the insertion of certain body parts into body parts they weren't designed for.
"At the heart of this is the question - is homosexuality normal or abnormal?"
Not at all. The heart of this is the question: How does God define marriage, and thus who, exactly, can a person who represents Him perform a marriage ceremony for?
The easy answer was given by the Founder of the Christian Religion, none other than Jesus:
Matthew 19:4-6
(4) And He answered and said to them, Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning "made them male and female",
(5) and said, For this cause a man shall leave father and mother and shall cling to his wife, and the two of them shall be one flesh?
(6) Therefore they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.
Jesus also dictated the Book of Revelation to the Apostle John. At the very end, when Jesus states who will be granted eternal life, he excludes people who are sexually immoral. See Revelation chapter 22:15.
Homosexuality may be a normal human temptation but no more or less than the temptation to lie, steal or murder. Just because it is a feeling or desire does not make it moral. People who want homosexuality to be moral are just as confused as when they think that open marriage or taking a five finger discount at Walmart is moral.
And what they think is moral does not change what God tells us is moral in His sight, by which He will judge us, for every person will be judged according to their works.
Revelation 20:12-15
(12) And I saw the dead, the small and the great, stand before God. And books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
(13) And the sea gave up the dead in it. And death and hell delivered up the dead in them. And each one of them was judged according to their works.
(14) And death and hell were cast into the Lake of Fire. This is the second death.
(15) And if anyone was not found having been written in the Book of Life, he was cast into the Lake of Fire.
People who hold themselves out as a representative the author of these words (that is Jesus Himself) are shown to be disqualified when they opposed their meaning so plainly and openly.
Totally disagree.
I worked with a number of homosexual men, all of whom were free when it came to talking about their pasts and their sex lives. They all were victims of sexual abuse--by males-- in their childhood.
I had a hairstylist, a homosexual male, for years. He had been sexually abused by his stepbrother as a child, and he admitted it was probably the reason he was homosexual. Also, he had an absent, removed father, and an overbearing, over-protective mother.
There is nothing natural about homosexuality. It is a highly unnatural perversion, and those who give in to it are making a choice to do so.
Here is a link with some info, not a complete list, however.
He wasn't endorsing it. He was saying what may be inevitable and used who he knows who are queer. He spoke of the GOP.
Since we know the GOP supported a candidate, mitt, who personally married perverts and under his admin, his state was the first in the union to approve same sex marriage; IMO, he was giving a heads up of what to expect from the GOP. If you read it with some sort of animosity towards Newt, you will come away believing like you do.
>> a declaration supporting equality for same-sex couples.
A declaration that forces homosexual behavior on those that want no part of it. RIH, "clergy".
Here is a gay friendly list but this list is linked to the gay marriage article.
the headline decieves.
Fringe pro-homosexual "churches" endorse sexual recreation hedonism.
Why not have these same churches endorse recreational sex with farm animals...
so these must be back of rolling stone magazine get out of serving in military mail in degree clergy. (also for tax purposes)
I agree. It's like saying hormones cause sexual immorality. The occurence of a man and woman having sexual relations outside of marriage is a choice resulting of a weakened moral character, not simple hormonal urges. All those who are faithful and hold fast to their moral fiber will remain chaste no matter their hormone level.
That should be NOT linked to the 250 clergy list.
WRONG. All are NOT God's children. His children hear and obey His Word.
The others are His creations. And he doesn't create in them what HE condemns, either. Tindell, you are, merely, a creation and you are not in His family. Your master is satan.
so these must be back of rolling stone magazine get out of serving in military mail in degree clergy. (also for tax purposes)
Good post. I'll use this argument. The homo crowd are quick to bring up the fact that the elderly get married and that they usually have no potential for offspring.
No surprise that hussein's old Trinity church is on the gay church list.
Thanks, I was trying to figure out how to fix the title. It's not accurate at all.
I was delighted (and not at all surprised) to note that there was NOT ONE Lutheran church, Missouri Synod (LCMS - my synod) included in the list of hereticals and apostates.
I'm still interested if anyone finds the list of those clergy who signed the endorsement with their approval of the gay marriage legislation.
Follow the money to Soros?
Neither Beck nor Gingrich is of the mindset and circumstance to endorse gays.
Both are married and deidcated to their respective religions, Beck — Mormon (but a former Catholic) and Gingrich — a convert to Catholicism.
Follow the money to Soros?
Neither Beck nor Gingrich are of the mindset and/or circumstances to endorse gays.
Both are married and deidcated to their respective religions, Beck — Mormon (but a former Catholic) and Gingrich — a convert to Catholicism.
Follow the money to Soros?
Neither Beck nor Gingrich are of the mindset and/or circumstances to endorse gays.
Both are married and deidcated to their respective religions, Beck — Mormon (but a former Catholic) and Gingrich — a convert to Catholicism.
After Oregon voted to ban gay marriage in its constitution, the Dimocrats pushed through a bill to grant domestic partnerships. I watched the hearings. When the Ctholic church testified, they asked for a couple of language tweaks (for church protection). But when referencing the bill as a whole, the lobbyist said, "The Catholic Church is not in the business of discrimination, therefore we take no position on the bill." It sailed through.
I wonder which god they serve?
Paul and Moses were pretty clear on homosexuality.
The legal standard is not "How likely is it that pregnancy will occur?" but "Can they perform the procreative (marital) act?"
The likelihood of pregnancy could only be determined by ongoing physiological testing and surveillance, which is clearly way, WAY outside of the competence of the government. Plus, people who think they can't conceive, often do; and people who think they will conceive, often don't.
I read that in the USA there's about 180-200 births per year reported among mothers over age 50, with a third of them being over 55.
And of course, some young and ostensibly healthy couples have natural, normal (i.e. uncontracepted) intercourse for years without successfully achieving pregnancy.
So the only non-privacy-invading criterion the state can properly act upon, is "Can they do the procreative act?" Which is "Are they a male and a female capable of intercourse?"
The procreative act is "the marital act," the only act which can "consummate" marriage; to be precise, an act which deposits the semen of the male in the genital tract of the female. If you can't or won't do that, then even in civil law as I understand it, the marriage is considered as not having been consummated, and so can be annuled. It never "happened."
Two men or two women can't perform the marital act. Trannies can't either (there's either a trans-"male" with no sperm, or a trans-"woman" with no genital tract.) They can't consummate a marriage.
What about the... "We can always adopt kids"... angle?
When you say "it" do you mean same-sex attraction or the person suffering from same-sex attraction?
You actually agree. It is a choice, a naturally occurring event like heterosexuality. We choose to act on it. Right now the best evidence is that it is a mental illness caused by epigenetic activity in the womb or by a child's environment.
My exact point and it also may be correctable even if it is caused by environment. There are plenty of people who've "changed". It's why they want to outlaw the therapy.
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The global downturn of economy seems to be getting easier and the demand towards high-performance computer components is finally picking up. However, since makers of chips have refocused parts of their manufacturing capacities onto devices that will sell in a tough environment, there is a danger than in the coming months there will be shortages of advanced chips. However, it is not evident on the market of DRAM and SSD, according to OCZ.
"While we are not currently experiencing any supply issues we are constantly planning to avoid them at the same time," said Alex Mei, vice president of marketing at OCZ.
Recently it transpired that Intel Corp. cannot supply enough 32nm code-named Arrandale processors for mobile applications due to high demand towards certain models and the fact that Intel still has not initiated 32nm production at certain fabs. In addition, Advanced Micro Devices, apparently, cannot ship enough of its latest chipsets and even certain higher-end microprocessors to fulfill the demand. It is also not a secret that ATI, graphics business unit of AMD, and Nvidia Corp. ran into supply issues with 40nm-based products due to problems at Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company since the latter had implemented aggressive cost-cutting measures, which, among other things, slowed down the ramp up of 40nm node.
There are reports that companies like Winbond had decided to refocus from dynamic random access memory (DRAM) to NOR flash in order to boost profitability; besides, the demand towards DRAM in general has consistently left behind supply in the recent months, which caused uptick of prices. Nonetheless, at least OCZ Technology, a leading supplier of premium DRAM modules and solid-state drives (SSDs) does not experience any issues with shortages of high-end chips.
"We currently build so many DRAM modules and SSDs that it is critical that we have a solid supply channel in place; we have been setting this up for years and are able to maintain a steady supply to meet our customer demand," said Mr. Mei.
In order to further avoid supply-related issues, OCZ has implemented certain measures. For example, mainstream products are developed with the aim to have multiple components suppliers.
"We engineer our consumer products so we are not dependent on a single NAND type and for our enterprise clients we work closely with them so we have plenty of stock in place to meet their forecasted demand," explained the high-ranking executive.
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Sharing hospice concerns
To the editor:
In the evening in the spring of 1983 I was called to our Marshall nursing home to see a patient about a medical condition. While there I was asked if I had time to visit with the then director of the nursing home, Cathy Bond, and Sue Jackson (one of our hospital nurses who was asked to help out that evening at the nursing home). My father had died of cancer under my care in 1980. The three of us decided to try to organize a hospice program for Marshall. The following excerpt was taken from my book, "History of Medical Care in Lyon County," which was published last winter.
"In July 1984 the Prairie Home hospice, which was organized the previous year to provide professional and volunteer services in coordination by hospice for terminally ill patients, hired it first coordinator, Lydia Wulff-Palmer. Lydia, formerly of Graceville, graduated from Moorhead State University with a B.S. in nursing with a public health nurse credential. She had a 17-year interest in hospice nursing, beginning with her father's brain cancer. He was cared for in the family farm home.
Her place was taken by Deb Schoenlaub, M.S.W. as program coordinator and Monica Stanton, R.N., as patient care coordinator. Dr. Wayne Taintor, one of the organizers, became the first hospice board president.
Training of volunteers began with Lydia, and by 1986 52 volunteers were available in parts of Lyon County. This organization was expanded to include the rest of Lyon County and Lincoln, Pipestone and Murray counties.
This organization had its growing pains, but is doing well in providing care for area cancer patients. Medicare certification was accomplished as well. By 1977 efforts were made nationally to standardize both hospital and office records in their organization. All doctors were to attend classes in this effort and taught by trained nurses. Following its required standardization, it became easier for governmental people to review records regarding their perception of quality of medical care. Finally by 2005 we even had a Hospice House in Marshall."
It makes me feel sad that our local hospital has now declared that unless they take over the hospice program totally, they intend to stop allowing patients to be cared for in our local nursing home.
They have brought in an organization called Compassionate Care that has become or will become established in some hospitals in 16 states, including Minnesota.
From what I have been able to ascertain, there will not be any greater benefit to this community. They claim that they may be able to provide help to the extent of 15 hours a week for patients. This means two hours a day. When a worker is assigned 10 patients at a time it does not allow much additional help. Further, it appears that costs for patient care with this new program will become increased. We have high costs now.
It appears that the only way that our local hospice organization can decently continue would be to fund another hospice house to care for the patients that need that care. The late Dr. Kenneth Peterson's widow, Stella, who died last year, was one of those who benefited from hospice.
Wayne Taintor, MD, FACS


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Here's how RW members rated this race in the past (200 votes).
In short: Fantastic atmosphereIn full: Thanks so much to the marshalls and organisers. A unique race and without doubt the best marathon I have taken part in.Marshalls were amazing.Date of review: June 24, 2012
In short: The most brutal run ive ever doneIn full: Firstly to everyone who completed the picnic you are legends....this was my 1st ultra and i failed :( after reaching the cut off point 6 mins to late it was all over for me, 1st i knew even if i a few mins quicker i would have been finishing in the dark 2nd i knew in my heart i couldnt do another 14 miles.despite this i enjoyed it so much the atmosphere, the friendly runners who encouraged me time and time again as we past each other, the superb marshals and most of all dr.rob for the faultless organisation of the race.As always a excellent t-shirt, medal and cap complete drinks and food at the finish.Today i dont know what hurts more the legs or the feeling of failure ?? i will be back on the hill for the knacker cracker.Date of review: June 24, 2012
In short: The OlymPicnic - harder than anything you could do in the actual Olympics!In full: Savage and sadistic, brutal and heartbreaking!!I feel so proud of myself for completing such an epic run - and fast walk!I've done the Langdales, the Beachy Heads, Snowdonias, White Peaks - but this was tougher than all them lumped together.The hills were Himalayan.But it was the giant steps that got me every time.I hated them - and don't want to see another bloody step until 2013...The last set in the last mile almost did for me - they were just evilly cruel.But so many positives to draw from this race and this whole experience.Dr Rob - a living long distance legend.My fellow runners - magnificent.I've never known such camaraderie as I experienced yesterday.Runners high-fiving each other out on the trail, shaking hands, urging everyone else on - truly heartwarming stuff.The marshalls - fantastic....incredibly supportive, always cheerful, relentlessly upbeat.I thanked each and every one of them on the course and I'll thank them again now for going above and beyond during many many hours out on the trail.You were all truly brilliant.This was a heart-stirring inspirational test of mental and physical strength for all true runners.The OlymPicnic battered me to the limit and beyond - thank God I made it.I'll treasure my beautiful medal and iconic T-shirt until the day I die!Date of review: June 24, 2012
In short: If Carlsberg did races.......In full: What an absolute belter. If only all races were like this... National Anthem at the start, amazing atmosphere, amazing scenery, a cheeky run, numerous and friendly marshalls, fantastic snacks on the feed stations (kettle chips get me every time) and a decent bit bling at the end and a really good t-shirt. Date of review: June 24, 2012
In short: If you haven't found the race that pushes your mental limits.. This is it!!In full: This race is one of a kind. When people have been asking me what it's like I have invariably paused and looked at them.. it is like no other. When you hear ironmen and multiday trail runners saying its the hardest challenge they've ever done you know it was something special. My rating for beginner friendliness is based on the friendliness and comraderie of Marshalls and Runners and NOT the course!! Marshalls and runners were fantastic and I don't think I could have got around without their support and encouragement (and the crisps haribo lucozade etc). Overall a fantastic race, 30 miles of sweat and pain followed by a lifetime badge of honour you will never forget. Cheers Dr Rob and all that made it possible!Date of review: June 24, 2012
In short: A box ticker event, and at times I felt i could end up in a box. A great day , total destroyed physically . I'm from Lincolnshire and we don't do steps which are more a kin to mountain goats.Date of review: June 24, 2012
In short: The PICNICIn full: There isn't a lot more you need to say. If you don't know what you are letting yourself in for do yourself a favour and stick to the Munro :-)Date of review: June 24, 2012
In short: Spectacularly Gruesome for hard-as-nails-ego-lunatics or daft peopleIn full: Hard to express just how very tough this event is. It certainly had me quivering in my shoes for a few days pre-race, worrying about a 16 mile cut-off of 3.5hours! It does state on entry that I 'can't be run', and it can't. Lower your expectations and enjoy a very special event.Date of review: June 24, 2012
In short: Absolutely epic - a 'race' seriously like no other!!!In full: I've been fortunate to do some extreme challenges, though this is undoubtedly up there as one of the hardest things I have ever done (not enough hill training probably didn't help!). Getting to the turn, and knowing what you had to go through again, is probably one of the hardest and most mentally challenging things you can go through as a runner. Absolutely brutal, utterly relentess, and purely a battle with yourself for self preservation. The marshalls were absolutely fantastic....always helpful, incredibly cheery and were out there longer than most runners. They seriously help make it the race it is and I can't thank them enough. I will treasure my t-shirt and superb medal forever as I don't intend to rush back in a hurry to do this (?).....at the moment though I can say I successfully competed the Olympicnic, and I say that with a huge amount of pride. Well done to everyone who took part, and through gritted teeth, a massive thanks to Dr Rob.....that was one hell of an event!!Date of review: June 24, 2012
In short: Excellent 'fun' and really enjoyed it. In full: Rating on beginner friendliness is only to reflect that fact that the course is tough; everyone, marshals and other runners are super friendly and made completing the race possible. I think the extra miles and change at the start were an improvement on the usual route as by the time you hit the first set of steps the field had spread out so we weren't all falling over each other. Final thank you to all the marshals and support - you were great :)Date of review: June 24, 2012
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