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Debates of Dec. 14th, 2001
House of Commons Hansard #132 of the 37th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was waste.
- Nuclear Fuel Waste Act
- Women's Rights
- Bank of Montreal
- Volunteers
- Mining
- The Singing Christmas Tree
- House of Commons
- Bill C-7
- Soccer
- Bill C-15A
- Impaired Driving
- Holiday Greetings
- Parliamentary Poet Laureate
- Sima Samar
- Fisheries
- Homelessness
- Government of Canada
- Regulatory Standards
- Literary Works
- Guaranteed Income Supplement
- Persons with Disabilities
- Royal Canadian Mounted Police
- Employment Insurance
- Middle East
- The Budget
- National Security
- Agriculture
- International Trade
- Auberge Grand-Mère
- Research and Development
- Infrastructure Program
- Softwood Lumber
- Government Services
- Minister for International Cooperation
- Ethical Investing
- House of Commons
- Softwood Lumber
- Justice
- Coinage
- Committees of the House
- Petitions
- Questions on the Order Paper
Statements By Members
11 a.m.
Denis Paradis Brome—Missisquoi, QC
Mr. Speaker, this being the International Year of Volunteers, I recently had the opportunity to greet and thank the volunteers from Brome—Missisquoi who were chosen by their peers and who received a medal from the Government of Canada.
They are: Claude Allard, from Cowansville; Jean-Marie Beaupré, from Magog; Micheline Bissonnette, from Farnham; Alfred Boulet, from Cowansville; Pierre Désautels, from Magog; Denis Deschamps, from Bromont; Rolande Dubord, from Bromont; Madeleine Fortin, from Bedford; Gil Gilbert, from Bolton Centre; Mariette Jetté, from Farnham; Heather Keith-Ryan, from Mansonville; Gaston Lafontaine, from Lac Brome; André Landry, from Bedford; Marion Phelps, from Lac Brome; Lucille Pouliot, from Magog; Gary Richards, from South Stukely and Jean-Paul Sirois, from Cowansville.
I want to thank all of them for giving our world a human face. Pass the torch on to young people and happy holidays to all of you.
Statements By Members
11 a.m.
Guy St-Julien Abitibi—Baie-James—Nunavik, QC
Mr. Speaker, the McWatters mining company of Val-d'Or filed its official plan of arrangement to restructure and reorganize its debt, liabilities and capital.
This plan will allow the company to attain long term financial stability. All involved stakeholders will benefit from the plan's implementation.
The company's president, Claire Derome, stated that "For the region of Val-d'Or, this is an exceptional opportunity both for employees and for the community to allow McWatters to gradually recover its role as a major contributor to the local economy. In the coming years, the number of people employed by McWatters will rise from the current level of 157, to more than 320 employees in 2004".
After reading the plan, I am convinced that with its new partner Soquem, and financial assistance from the governments of Canada and Quebec, McWatters will receive a vote of confidence on January 23, 2002 to resume operations at the Sigma-Lamaque complex in 2002.
The Singing Christmas Tree
Statements By Members
11 a.m.
Canadian Alliance
Peter Goldring Edmonton Centre-East, AB
Mr. Speaker, this year is the 35th anniversary of an Edmonton event of such magnificence and spiritual delight that it truly is a spectacle to behold.
Forty-five feet tall with 6,000 lights on its evergreen boughs only begins to describe this wonderful extravaganza of sparkling colour and sound. One hundred and forty lend their costumed personages with voices raised in song, true human tree adornments in choral unison with the accompaniment of a full orchestra, a mesmerizing musical backdrop to an eclectic, ecclesiastical expression.
The Central Tabernacle and Pastor Bob Jones again this year present this delightful expression to the citizens of Edmonton. The Singing Christmas Tree has been an event, a spectacle and a spiritual message for 35 years. I congratulate all involved.
House of Commons
Statements By Members
11:05 a.m.
Mac Harb Ottawa Centre, ON
Mr. Speaker, I stand to pay tribute to the administration and staff of the House of Commons, clerks and researchers, Library of Parliament staff and their families, House security staff and their families, the RCMP officers who work tirelessly around the clock to keep this place safe along with House of Commons security and the translators in the booth who work tirelessly trying to keep up with us.
I also pay tribute to my colleagues in the House of Commons and their staff and families; to you, Mr. Speaker, as well as the table clerks who work tirelessly to make the House function very effectively. More than anything I pay tribute to the pages who put in a lot of hours to keep this place functioning and, above everything, all Canadians.
May 2002 be a year full of joy, peace and prosperity for all.
Bill C-7
Statements By Members
11:05 a.m.
Michel Bellehumeur Berthier—Montcalm, QC
Mr. Speaker, in testifying last month before the justice committee of the other House, the Minister of Justice told the senators clearly that they should not waste their time proposing changes to Bill C-7. The minister considers the role of senators to be figurative.
However, to be on the safe side no doubt, some of the Liberal senators sided with the opposition in passing amendments, albeit minor, that would send the bill back to the House of Commons.
Why have a twisted law that no one wants, a law cobbled together from all over in the course of a long examination, when we already have a law to deal with young offenders, which has proven its mettle and which works well, as Quebec has shown repeatedly?
The Minister of Justice must listen to reason at least once in her life and seize the opportunity given her with the return of the bill to the House to arrange to have it put on hold and move on to other things for the greater good of young people in trouble with the law.
Statements By Members
11:05 a.m.
Marcel Proulx Hull—Aylmer, QC
Mr. Speaker, I would like to draw the attention of the House to the signature of a declaration of intent by the Secretary of State for Amateur Sport and the President of FIFA, the Fédération Internationale de Football Association.
This is the first step toward a bilateral agreement on soccer. It will promote the development of elite soccer in Canada, the full participation of women in soccer, and the harmonization of antidoping policies between FIFA and the World Anti-Doping Agency.
More and more young Canadians are interested in soccer. For this reason, the Government of Canada has created the Canadian Soccer Foundation.
Our government is very much committed to promoting participation in soccer in this country. I sincerely hope that our efforts will culminate in a successful World Cup bid in the near future.
In closing, may I wish everyone a Merry Christmas and much happiness and health in 2002.
Bill C-15A
Statements By Members
11:05 a.m.
Canadian Alliance
Chuck Cadman Surrey North, BC
Mr. Speaker, here is one more reason parliament must show some leadership on the issue of home invasions. A woman who took part in an extremely violent home invasion in 1998 was given a conditional sentence of two years less a day for her part. As everyone knows by now, this means serving a sentence at home.
Sandra Rickovic and two others tied up and pistol whipped jeweller Jitendra Goldsmith and his wife. Their two young children were locked in a basement room at gunpoint while the grandmother escaped out a back door with a seven month old baby. Goldsmith, who operated a home business in Vancouver, lost nearly $400,000 in the robbery and was not insured.
Another of the home invaders, David Anthony Labadie, was convicted of break and enter, robbery, wearing a mask, using an imitation handgun, unlawful confinement and assault causing bodily harm. For his efforts he received a paltry seven years while the crown wanted fourteen.
In Bill C-15A parliament made home invasion an aggravating factor for sentencing. I supported that. If this is any indication of what we can expect from the courts there will be no alternative but to legislate mandatory minimum sentences for these vicious crimes.
Impaired Driving
Statements By Members
11:05 a.m.
Gurbax Malhi Bramalea—Gore—Malton—Springdale, ON
Mr. Speaker, during the holiday season it is important to remind people of the danger of drinking and driving. I recognize the Bank of Montreal which again this year gave $10,000 to Mothers Against Drunk Driving for its red ribbon campaign.
Each December over 1,000 branches of the Bank of Montreal display MADD's coin boxes, red ribbons and posters. Staff and customers are encouraged to pick up a red ribbon and make a donation to MADD Canada. Like the good work of the Bank of Montreal we must all do our part to discourage drinking and driving during the holiday season.
Holiday Greetings
Statements By Members
11:10 a.m.
Judy Wasylycia-Leis Winnipeg North Centre, MB
Mr. Speaker, the fall sitting of parliament ending today has been extraordinary. From the first day our thoughts and legislative agenda have been dominated by the tragic events of September 11. We have sent our armed forces into combat, have been asked to grant our security forces unprecedented powers and have tried to reach out to our southern neighbours without sacrificing our national integrity and sovereignty. We have struggled not to destroy the very values we are trying to secure.
At the same time we have tried to maintain the regular business of this place so as not to concede to the disorder that is the very goal of the perpetrators of terrorism. We have called for a budget that would stand shoulder to shoulder with Canadians and invest in our future by strengthening the bedrock of civil society: the health, social and environmental needs of this great nation. In the coming year, together with our leader, the NDP caucus will continue to challenge the government's agenda.
But for now, Mr. Speaker, we pause to wish you and all of our colleagues the best of the season. We wish for you what we wish for ourselves: a holiday of thoughtfulness and rest, of assessment and compassion, a time to look back on the unbelievable year just passed and a time to plan for a new year of work informed by respect for each person's worth and by love for one another.
Parliamentary Poet Laureate
Statements By Members
December 14th, 2001 / 11:10 a.m.
Antoine Dubé Lévis-Et-Chutes-De-La-Chaudière, QC
Mr. Speaker, once again, the session now drawing to a close has demonstrated the insensitivity and inconsistency of this government as far as the real needs of the population are concerned.
Last Tuesday, after more than five hours of debate, the Liberal government finally passed a bill creating the position of parliamentary poet laureate, whereas a week before that, this same government did not have more than five minutes to spend in the House on the anti-terrorism bill.
Instead of allowing members to debate matters as vital as rights and freedoms, the government imposed a gag order totally out of keeping with the fundamental values so dear to Quebecers.
While the Minister of Finance's budget totally ignores the demands of workers, youth, seniors and businesses, the government can find the necessary funds to sustain this new position. Let us hope there will not be any "Heritage poetry minutes".
Sima Samar
Statements By Members
11:10 a.m.
Paddy Torsney Burlington, ON
Mr. Speaker, it is a real honour for me to rise today to congratulate Dr. Sima Samar, this year's recipient of the John Humphrey Freedom Award.
On December 10, International Human Rights Day, Dr. Samar was honoured for her efforts to end the oppression of Afghan women and children. Putting herself at risk to fight for the rights of women to education, employment, mobility and medical care, for over a decade Dr. Samar has operated schools for girls and health clinics in Afghanistan and the refugee camps of northern Pakistan.
Dr. Samar has long advocated for women's involvement in public life. Now, as deputy prime minister in the Afghan transitional government, she will have a strong voice in the decision making of her country.
As Dr. Samar said "I will continue my work so that women's rights in Afghanistan will be counted as human rights and that girls will no longer be punished for having a notebook and pen in hand".
Colleagues in the House warmly welcomed Dr. Samar earlier this week and I am confident that she understood in the thunderous and prolonged applause she received that she has our hopes and prayers, that we have her in our minds and that we wish her and the Afghan people the best of luck.
Statements By Members
11:10 a.m.
Progressive Conservative
Loyola Hearn St. John's West, NL
Mr. Speaker, the groundfish stocks, especially various varieties of flounder, show signs of rebuilding on the Newfoundland Grand Banks. However, constant overfishing by foreigners on the nose and tail is playing havoc with those stocks.
Allowing foreigners to fish shrimp on the Flemish Cap gives them the opportunity to flood the European markets with cooked and peeled shrimp while our producers face a 20% tariff on product going into the same market.
The nose and tail of the Grand Banks and the Flemish Cap are extensions of Canada's continental shelf. It is time for Canada to extend management control over the nose and tail of the Grand Banks and the Flemish Cap to protect our resources, our jobs and our people's interests. Let us show some leadership for a change.
Mr. Speaker, may I wish you and my colleagues a very happy Christmas and a happy and productive New Year.
Statements By Members
11:10 a.m.
Hélène Scherrer Louis-Hébert, QC
Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Labour is in Quebec today announcing the funding of several projects for the homeless.
As part of the community action partnerships initiative, $56.7 million are allocated to Quebec. Last February, the Government of Canada signed an agreement with the government of Quebec for the purpose of providing communities with access to programs, services and measures to support their endeavours.
Homelessness is a problem that is cause for concern and must be dealt with urgently. I therefore salute the Government of Canada's commitment to supporting organizations that are involved in the daily struggle to help the homeless. Their contribution is indispensable to our society.
This initiative is one more example of the Government of Canada's desire to fight poverty in this country.
I would also like to take this opportunity to wish all Canadians health, happiness and, most importantly, peace, in the coming year.
Government of Canada
Statements By Members
11:15 a.m.
Canadian Alliance
Gerry Ritz Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK
Mr. Speaker, the travel wisdom of the Dakota Indians, passed on from generation to generation, says that when we discover we are riding a dead horse the best strategy is to dismount.
However, with this Liberal government a whole range of far more advanced strategies is often employed, such as: appointing a committee to study the dead horse; arranging a visit to other countries to see how other cultures ride dead horses; lowering the standards so that dead horses can be included; reclassifying the dead horse as living impaired, which is politically correct; harnessing several dead horses together to increase speed; providing additional funding aimed at increasing the dead horse's performance; doing a productivity study to see if a lighter rider would improve the dead horse's performance; declaring that as the dead horse does not have to be fed it is less costly, carries lower overhead and therefore contributes substantially more to the bottom line of the economy; lowering the expected performance requirements for all horses so that dead horses are included; and finally and most important, promoting the dead horse to a Liberal cabinet position.
Regulatory Standards
Statements By Members
11:15 a.m.
Charles Caccia Davenport, ON
Mr. Speaker, in February the then auditor general, Denis Desautels, noted that there are major regulatory shortcomings in risk identification and management. He pointed to several problems: increased government reliance on industries to regulate themselves, adoption of safety standards set by other governments, increased public skepticism caused by the slashing of in house government scientific labs and reliance on researchers with links to industry.
In addition, the fact that regulators consider economic consequences to business when they enforce safety regulations does create a potential conflict of interest. A typical case study of the shortcomings of risk assessment is the regulatory process for approving genetically modified foods. This was exposed in a report by the Royal Society. I urge the government to implement the society's recommendations to fix the regulatory system.


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Here's how RW members rated this race (154 votes).
In short: Finish seems a long way from the car park!Date of review: March 15, 2005
In short: Well organised. Interesting course, great value.In full: Easy to park. Changing & toilets (no showers). No check in for bags but village hall was manned at all times. Great course. Very well organised and great value including a quality T shirt. Refreshments - I had tea, ham roll and fruit cake all for £1.30, fantastic!!! Great event would def do it again. Was very sore after but that's not their fault! ;-)Date of review: March 9, 2005
In short: Nice route, good organisation.Date of review: March 9, 2005
In short: No hassle 20 miles, low key but well organised. A clock at the finish would be good for those of us who don't have fancy watches!Date of review: March 8, 2005
In short: Good organisation throughout. Fantastic course. Great timing for a spring marathon. Sparse support on a rural course by what there was was first class (especially the guy who kept turning up here, there and everywhere!).Date of review: March 7, 2005
In short: Seamless organisation. Good course (except for odd idiot driver ignoring race warning signs)In full: Enjoyed walk to HQ from race finish for warming down. Scenic course with enough bends and undulations to make the route interesting. Friendly and helpful marshalls.Date of review: March 7, 2005
In short: All aspects fully organised. ExcellentIn full: Post-race, the tea queue took a little while, and traffic seemed a little stressful for early leavers. Prize giver could use a microphone.These being the only minor niggles, it was a lovely occasion.Date of review: March 7, 2005
In short: Nice rural and mostly flat couse.In full: Excellent all round. The only gripe being the distance from the finish line back to race HQ. Did the 10 earlier in the year over the same(ish) course and will do both again. Well done Gloucester ACDate of review: March 7, 2005
In short: Excellent FLM tester, scenic course, great organisationIn full: Really enjoyable event - thanks Gloucester ACDate of review: March 7, 2005
In short: OW!Date of review: March 7, 2005
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Mid June to mid August?
NBA is finished up, college football is still 6-7 weeks away, pro ball 8-9 away and arguably the worst part is we're stuck with really only the boring dogs days of MLB and its nausea. You might say only the U.S. Open and the British Open come close to a relief until the first kickoff.


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First, listen to this 5-minute clip:
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Here's the topic for today's discussion:
Prosperity preachers have exploited inherent weaknesses in charismatic theology, and many people—Christian and non-Christian alike—are left poor and disillusioned in their wake.
Before Christ, what responsibilities do Christians and Christian organizations have with regard to the Prosperity/Word of Faith Movement?
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I´m right this moment in a situation where I try to make people understand that the Bible is all and all got to be tested with it. So I´m thankfull for this audioblog.
Bless your heart.
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It's very interesting that this kind of thing still exists. I have tried to explain many of times to other believers what the dangers are. Experience cannot supercede scripture. Thank you JMAC
As Pastor MacArthur said, we have the responsability to evangelize people involved in these cults/heresies, always in love, with kindness and meakness.
I am almost done listening to the series below, it has been a great blessing for me:
You know, sometimes I feel very alone. I pray that God leads me, within my church, to people who have the same passion for the Word of God that I have. I am in this church since September, so I don't really know a lot of the people, but whenever I talk to someone I ask questions about their beliefs, and a lot of what they believe surprises me.
It is tough. And it doesn't get better. My own husband told me I must be on drugs.
May our Lord Jesus Christ bless each one of you,
God bless you both Lisa and Elaine. I understand the feeling of being alone with our beliefs. It's hard to believe what many believe. John and GTY has been a constant source of strength for me as well. What a blessing. A church home though is so important for many reasons. May I suggest you go to The Master's Seminary web site, www.tms.org and click Alumni. You may find a church near you with a Pastor(s) from TMS. I did! What a blessing! God bless you all. Discernment has never been more important has it?! John, thank you again for being that lone voice crying out from the wilderness. Praise Jesus! Thank you so much for loving us Lord. You truly deserve all the glory!
I left the Church because of the same error spoken about here. But after spending so much time away from the church I long to be back in the fellowship of true believers. its said to say they are far and few between. I try to inlighten some of my misguided bretherin, but they reject the truth like its from the devil himself. My own church turned against me because I dared to challenge my pastor on truths he claim to believe in himself. After much prayer I have decided to Pastor, and disciple those who seek after true Christianty. Right now I am giving myself a reboot through the study of Gods Word. Keep me in prayer, and God bless John Macarthur.
Wow! I'm glad to see John MacArthur give Pastor Chuck Smith some credit on his stand against the charismania that exists in the Pentecostal/Charismatic Church. I always wondered what MacArthur thought about Calvary Chapel? Does anyone know whay his stand is with Calvary Chapel?
This is really such an important issue. I have often thought recently that the Word of Faith movement is one of the greatest threats to "real" Christianity today. Their message seems "Christian" enough to new and young believers. It definitely sounds good in a world obsessed with prosperity. It looks good for people who want to be wealthy, healthy and happy.
I used to attend a Word of Faith church in my home state of Washington. Something happened in the last few years. The senior pastor came down with a vocal problem and wasn't able to speak for some time and now when he does speak... it's hard to sit and listen to him. What happened? This church teaches us that God wants us to have TOTAL victory. In our finances, relationships and our health! And that if we name it and claim it... we will have all of these things. Then why isn't he healthy? Why are people losing their jobs? They aren't prosperous right now in their finances. They're struggling and can't make ends meet. And if you belong to this camp... something happens before too long. You say to yourself... God let me down. God didn't fulfill his end of the bargain. And this is what makes this message so dangerous. John Piper is right in saying that the prosperity gospel is ----. Because that's exactly what it is. Thanks J-Mac for bringing this to the forefront.
Those of blessed to know of this sound doctrine and better than that to understand and agree have a responsibility, as John challenged us, to be in the firght for the Church. I, too, have felt alone and resisted committing to a church with even the most sound doctrine I could find. One of the reasons these errors flourish is because of our absence. I am recently reconnected and trusting God to provide the opportunity and the wisdom to help snatch some out of the fire.
This is a difficult charge. Maybe even more difficult than evangelizing heathen.
# 8 - Steve,
I have mentioned before, I come from another country and only recently have been exposed to the truth about the Gospel (although I've been a "Christian" since 1993). That's to say that I had never heard (at least that I remember of) about the Calvary Chapel. So I did what I always do, I googled it so I could learn more about what they teach, etc. A lot of times I learn about an organization or person by watching whom they associate with. I feel that any kind of relantionship between organizations or peoples mean they must share something in common.
I read some information and visited their website (read their "what we believe page", should give you some interesting insights - http://www.calvarychapel.com/what_we_believe.cfm). I also read excerpts of some of Chuck Smith's books (interesting info on how his church was formed and evolved - he believes that the church needs to be relevant with the culture), I found out that he had some kind of association with Lonnie Frisbee (whom I also didn't know until now). This is of course no news to you, but Lonnie was gay.
The following is from a video at Frisbee's memorial service (why am I not surprised to learn that it was held at the Crystal Cathedral?) "At his funeral, Calvary Chapel's Chuck Smith eulogized Frisbee as a Samson-like figure; that being a man through whom God did many great works, but was the victim of his own struggles and temptations." (quoted from wikipedia on Frisbee, link to the video can be found on the same page).
Interesting to note that John Wimber (one of the founders of the Vineyard Movement) was also Chuck Smith's friend.
Pastor MacArthur quotes a couple of Calvary Chapel's pastors in one of his sermons about the doctrine of election. Here's my quote:"A Calvary Chapel pastor writes, "Five-point Calvinism," which of course would include the doctrine of election, "makes God a monster who eternally tortures innocent children. It removes the hope of consolation from the gospel. It limits the atoning work of Christ. It resists evangelism. It stirs up argumentation and division and promotes a small angry judgmental God rather than the large-hearted God of the Bible." Another says, "To say that God sovereignly chooses who will be saved is the most twisted thing I have ever read that makes God a monster, no better than a pagan idol."
I see that you have mentioned Chuck Smith in one of your replies on this blog (more specifically the "Prosperity Potpourri), and that you find Chuck Smith to be an excellent preacher. If that's your opinion, it must mean that you've listened to a lot of his sermons. If you have any biblical foundation (sound doctrine) you'll find the errors.
(note: sorry I had to delete the first reply, I typed my reply on notepad and somehow after pasting it here it lost all its format, so I had to manually re-do it.)
Christians and Christian organizations have a God given responsibility to expose these false teachers for who they are and to stand firm in the faith Jude 3;Ephesians 6:11;I Corinthians 16:13.And we are not to do it half-heartedly but earnestly.I'm just thankful that there are a few like John MacArthur out there doing just that.
Would be interested in your statement, "John Piper is right in saying that the prosperity gospel is ----." And by the way, love reading the comments and stand with all of you in being so grateful to Dr. MacArthur for Truth.
If you go over to YouTube.com and search "John Piper Prosperity Gospel", there is a three minute video from where I took the quote from. It's a very good video and very powerful.
Thanks Jeremy...I will do that.
My dearest Christian sister is from the Pentecostal movement..I am discovering we are worlds apart in our thoughts and ideas...I praise God for my eyes being opened to the truth by John MacArthur, John Piper and my NEW home Pastor.
Justin Peters also does a thorough job biblically exposing false teachers. He presented a seminar at Grace in the LOGOS class entitled "A Call for Discernment." He also gave an abbreviated version at TMS chapel. You can see a short overview of the seminar at his web site on the media page - www.justinpeters.org - As well as being a gifted theologian, Justin has cerebral palsy and comes from an interesting perspective... Blessings!
I just want to add to the comment of Lisa R and Elaine above, yes sometimes if not most times I encounter myself alone as if I was the only person that believes the Bible is the very word of God and ought to be treated as the very God talking and we ought to listen to his whole counsel.
There is this one person I love like my own brother-sister that has been bombarded by these Purpose Driven Fallacies, me-centered Gospel, declare it, call it, claim it, etc. views. Not to mention the mystical-ism and metaphysical reaching that is going on at the place he says he worships Jesus. It is heart breaking seeing this king of teaching going on, but we must press on, continually in the love of Jesus, with compassion, boldness, and plenty of discernment, fighting with the Word and praying for these people whom are being led astray, that the Holy Spirit of God would open their eyes.
TEACHING THE TRUTH. thank you very much grace to you i learn my english with you !
I personally agree with the majority of John MacArthur's teaching and perspectives concerning biblical doctrines. Concerning the "Word Of Faith" movement that appeals to the greed of a large portion of society, it is no wonder that it is so rampant. I believe it would be safe to say that it could be compared to the JW's in respect that they too take the scriptures of God's Holy Word out of context, twisting and perverting the "Truth" to accomplish their agenda. I would like to mention that Jimmy Swaggart has for a long time taken a stand against the "Word Of Faith" movement and as well been doing his best to expose it for what it truly is. I know that just the mention of his name stirs up alot of "emotions" for a majority of people, but remember this: Jimmy Swaggart is a human being the same as the rest of us, and is capable of sin the same as the rest of us as well. We cannot, nor should we expect God to forgive us if we cannot forgive others. I personally believe God is and has been raising JSM back up as an example to the world and because they preach Christ and Him crucified as the apostle Paul did. There are several God fearing men, whom I believe are sincere in their desire to preach the Gospel Truth as accurately and truthfully as possible. John MacArthur, Charles Stanley, Jimmy Swaggart, John Hagee, etc.; HOWEVER no two people will ever agree 100 percent of the time on every biblical doctrine, truth, or teaching. As long as they can see eye to eye on the doctrines that are pertinent to upholding the "Truth" of God's Word and those issues relevant to the salvation of man's soul, then ultimately that is what matters. Don't misunderstand me, I am not excusing the preaching and teaching of false doctrine, those who do such will be held accountable!
God converted me in a pentecostal church back in Brazil, but over time became clear to me that several of the doctrines didn't match with what God reveals in the Bible to us. I hope that other brothers in Christ who have the same path come to recognize this sooner than later. I believed in many things before converted, that focused a lot on exceptional experiences, knowledge, hard work so it was easier to me to identify those doctrines, they look the same. Basically everything that takes the power from God's Word and puts it in other places, makes your beliefs weak and ever changing. The enemy has many agendas but the main one comes with many facets: Trying to keep us from knowing and worshipping the only real God and make us worship something else (money, ourselves, a club, friends, some of them even "look" legitmate, anything else, doesn't matter) and trust me our flesh tends towards this and enjoys. I thought one time how amazing would be if God sent an angel to tell me what He wants from me and thought that I would never forget, but then realized that the Bible is not only God Himself sending the message to me, but over a 1500 year period...All Glory to our Lord...God bless...
Lol! It seems like alot of people in this blog received Christ in a Pentecostal Church. Praise the Lord for the discernment he gave us to see what is biblical and not biblical. My take on Calvary Chapel is that they are a sound church. When I have attended they have not expressed any of the craziness i have seen at other Charismatic churches. They preach nothing but the Word and don't practice divisiveness and do point out the false teachings of 7th Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormonism, Christian Science and type of cultic churches.
At my home church, First Baptist Church of Downey, I was very encouraged by the missionary report from Kenya. This is a Reformed Baptist Church so there is no craziness here either. They did report how the Lord used them in Kiisi, Kenya where a deaf mute villager received Christ and was able to hear and receive the message preached. The Holy Spirit is still active and uses whoever He will to bring God all the glory and praise.
To God all the glory and praise,
What a great blessing you are to me Pastor and to so many . I often share your books and other materials with others. Thank you for being valiant for The truth. The Study Bible is wonderful! God bless you I pray daily for you and grace to you. My son asks for your books and resources for his upcoming birthday. I praise and thank God for you, you have been the cause of us being revived and delivered from erroneous teachings. Thank you so much for being a clear voice for Truth. May God bless you and gty very much. Agape, Ann
I just wanted to add one more thing about how twisted some of these churches have the truth. No more than a year ago, a very prominent Pentecostal Church in Irving Texas was sponsoring an event without precedence. The event was a re-encounter with Ted Haggard celebrating his coming back with new energies to "preach the Gospel." In reality I do not care what he does with his life or whatever.
Ted had been lying to God, his church, family, need I go on, for a long period of time. As the Great Apostle Paul puts it on his second letter to Timothy 2:14-19, there are qualifications for the man of God. Ted is disqualified. But this church was encouraging people to go because, listen, "he had repented in the show of Oprah Winfrey." For those of you that do not know, Oprah founded her own religion just because she could not accept that God is a jealous God. This is all over U-Tube. Ted at this moment and for many years to come won't know right from wrong, he is unbalanced emotionally and spiritually. It seems he is on the saddle again.
Stay biblical, beg God for discernment, and knowledge. I did, and found J Mac about five years ago. At first there were things I did not agree; now I find no disagreement. God bless you, and J Mac and the whole staff of GTY and Grace Community Church. Amen.
# 23 Steve,
yes, the Holy Spirit is still active, did anyone say the contrary? You seem to be confused about what cessationism really means. No one in their right mind would say that the Holy Spirit is not active anymore or that God doesn't heal anyone. I read a very good reply that Gabriel (on another post of this blog) gave, mabye you should go back and read it or research cessationism.
# 21 Glen,
I have no idea who Charles Stanley is, can't comment on him, won't comment on J. Swaggart. Will comment a little about John Hagee. I believe he preaches another gospel. When the Gospel is not preached in its entirely, it is another gospel. JH proclaims that Jewish people don't need to accept Jesus as their Saviour to be saved, because they are still under the covenant with God. Further more, he says that Jesus is the one who is to be blamed for the Jewish people rejecting Him, after all He was not who they were waiting for. JH is keeping people away from being saved. Jesus is THE only way. Would God had sent His only Son to die for us if there could be another way to save His people?
"But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction". (2 Peter 2:1)
For the sake of our argument, the word that stands out on the verse above is "secretly".
# 22 Regis,
I am also Brazilian. =)
One point that I've been wanting to make. I listened to the audio posted several times. It seems to me that Pastor MacArthur, after mentioning the fact that Chuck Smith clearly stands agains WoF (and how many other evangelicals/charismatics/pentecostals do the same), calls the listeners to pay attention, and I will quote:
"I don't want for any moment for people to think that I don't believe there are such people in that Pentecostal tradition because in fact there are. But listen carefully; I also believe that the seeds of these errors that they wish to fight are sometimes inherent in the very doctrines that they believe."
If anyone wants to read/listen to the sermon in its entirely, it's here:
I sometimes worry about all the people who believe in erroneous doctrines, all the people in cults and heresies. I worry even more about people who are in churches where no false doctrine is preached, but at the same time nothing is really preached/teached. They don't talk about sin, about repenting. They talk about grace and love. They smile a lot. I heard a pastor say that Jesus was a very happy person, and immediately I thought about Isaiah 53:3. My heart grieves for all these people.
In Christ,
This is in response to Glen Rounds comments.
Glen, in the love for the word of God and the love of Jesus, very respectfully disagree with you. I am convinced that what I stated on my past blog in reference to 2 Timothy 2:14-19, it really disqualifies Jimmy Swagart. I do strongly agree with you, in the love of Jesus, we must attempt to love those whom have fallen, but to restore them to leadership to feed the flock of God, hum?; it could be against the very Word of God. Sincerity had no place in this issue, repentance and submission do. If there is presence of the last two in the life of those fallen, God is merciful and will forgive them, and the body of Christ must embrace, coach, mentor those individuals because they still have something to bring for the Kingdom of God.
Do I make sense? God bless…
To number 23, adding to Elaine.
The Holy Spirit is still very active. Even J MacArthur has a wouderful testimony about his own life. But the one that I impressed me the most was when his wife Patricia had a serious accident, and you can see how the work of God, through Faith, and prayers she came out well. This was a tremendous testimony to the Holy Spirit.
Thank you, God bless...
I just want to clarify my comments: I was converted in a pentecostal church but completely agree with Pastor MacArthur. We too are having a hard time finding a church and are considering moving to where we can find one. Listening Pastor MacArthur has been a blessing for our family too, like others mentioned here. I believe God can save in the pentecostal church too, I am a living example, but I don't think that if you are really saved, you would stay there.
I sad for the ones that are in the world but greatly sad for the ones who think are saved but will have a big surprise when the judgment come.
#26 Elaine -- Oi!!!
God bless...
God bless all of you my brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus.
Here are some words of wisdom and encouragement to all of us from our God and Savior.
Psalms 32:7-11 7 You are my hiding place; You preserve me from trouble; You surround me with songs of deliverance. Selah. 8 I will instruct you and teach you in the way which you should go; I will counsel you with My eye upon you. 9 Do not be as the horse or as the mule which have no understanding, Whose trappings include bit and bridle to hold them in check, {Otherwise} they will not come near to you. 10 Many are the sorrows of the wicked, But he who trusts in the LORD, lovingkindness shall surround him. 11 Be glad in the LORD and rejoice, you righteous ones; And shout for joy, all you who are upright in heart."
My family and I are also searching for a new church home; as I confronted the pastor (a Masters graduate) on character issues and a lack of feeding the flock dispite his teaching; the result was that God put it on his heart to leave and some have scorned me; others supported, the ones that had already left for many of the same reasons. I have no resorted to looking and looking, knowing there is no "perfect church", but considering the sheer amount of churches in this area; it has been difficult to find one.
I almost just assume support GTY and other christian charities, but I also need my 5 & 9 years olds see how mom and dad worship the Lord in a church setting; so any suggestions and prayers toward this goal would be welcome, we need some encouagement as I see others do as well.I thank God for His truth and for the priveledge to be apart of GTY through financial support; knowing that we are building treasures in heaven. I do have an outreach ministry, where I use John's sermon "True Belief" and Tony Capaccio (BibleBb.com) "Sinners in the hands of an Angry God" and include GTY's tract titled "Stop - Who do you think I am". I have distributed between 1500-2000 CD-R's to about 750 homes in the area and try to keep some in the car. I also buy "cheap" umbrellas when I find them and when you see that person broken down on the road and it is raining; you should see the look on the face when you toss them an umbrella.My physical limitations hinder me from going door-to-door like I use to, but the Lord will use these messages as He pleases as I pass them out at the mailboxes and in parking lots; so pray for success on this and be a part ; God is waiting to hear from his children at all times.Thank you Lord for allowing us to have pastor-teachers and all the resources in staff, facilities and talent at GTY and according to your will; let all of join in and built up treasures in Heaven..amen
I was also saved in a Word of Faith Church. My background was Catholic. I left catholicism when I started reading the Bible and realized all the errors I had been teaching the children when I taught cathecism. I stayed 6 years in the Charismatic church, but always with doubts and there were things I couldn't agree and I thought I was being rebelious, but the more I wanted to submit to their teachings the more my spirit rejected it. Then I started praying for the Lord to give me discernment and understanding specially on the subject of toungues... which it was difficult for me to accept. I normally woke up in the morning with my radio alarm clock tuned to "Radio Pulpit" and that day when the alarm went off, John MacArthur was preaching about toungues! God does not work in coincidences and John was preaching to me that day and he answered all my questions. Shortly after this, I had a personal problem and when I wanted to apply the scriptures correctly they twisted it and wanted me to behave their way to which I refused. I left the church and I started to send for John's tapes (I have a huge collection of them) and I fed myself with them for one and a half years (Not going to any church at all). There was not many alternatives as churches were concern, but eventually a friend took me to a church where the Bible was preached correctly (except for the baptism ) and because I had nowhere to go I stayed there till I left to Europe where I stayed for 9 years.
When I came back to South Africa, I phoned the GTY offices and asked for a recomendation of a church where a pastor would had come from The Master Seminar because I did not want to run from church to church to look for sound doctrine. Blessed be the Lord Jesus that send me and my husband to a wonderful church where the young pastor preaches the Word and have a disciplined church where everything is run in order and the Lord is glorified.
Thank you John for your wonderful work for the Kingdom of God. Bless you. Nowadays I do not send for your tapes anymore, because I download your sermons. My hear goes to those still in the Charismatic movement that are deceived. The prosperity message iludes them and I saw people giving values they owned expecting to receive 100 fold back. It was a sort of a formula to which God had to respond...if they applied the formula. It is very sad. I have given some studies with the scriptures, to people in that movement, to open their eyes, but the response is that they cut me off of their lives! But... the seed is there.
I wish you will recover fully from your back operation very quickly.
You are right on, Pastor MacArthur. I struggled for many years working through teachings I was raised on in the Pentecostal movement, particularly the issue of Baptism of the Spirit as an experience separate from salvation. The fact that I was spiritually ignorant since nothing was taught from the pulpit except the need to be saved, again, and speaking in tongues, added to the difficulty.
Through the help of the Holy Spirit, and studying the Word of God, my sincere inquiries finally led me to understand that I was, in fact, saved but it was difficult to find a source of good teaching until I came across Grace To You. Thank God for one who preaches the truth, exposes error and is willing to take on those who are so critical to that truth. It is still difficult to find a church that preaches the whole counsel of God but I know now how to study for myself and supplement the lack of sound doctrinal teaching from the pulpits of churches available to me.
I pray that God gives you many, many more years to expound the whole truth.
John MaccArthur God bless you for your teaching on Christian giving .I got your C-D on Giving years ago ( Gods plan for Giving Part 1 & 2 ) (lesson 1302&1303)..My wife and I had 4 children we worked 2 jobs (all of us at times even our 4 daughters at times ) struggling hard for about a decade..We did this for years, tithing many years, at times being chatised from the pulpit for failure to do so, sometimes several times in a couple months..My wife and I had many and varied long term marriage problems.Over titheing and money..From giving 10% no matter what ..Then I heard your teaching Pastor MacArthur! Praise God. I also heard DR.J Vernon McGee teach on the radio about when he pastored churches during the depression and how he did not teach them to tithe no matter what because the Bible does not teach New Testament tithing. (The old testament has several different tithes under the law not just one like is taught today.)And we are under grace and give from a heart of love not the law. Also Thanks to Donald Cole the Moody Bible "Answer man" He gave me much help on Christian giving also He is a great Christian teacher.Charles Ryrie of the Ryrie study Bible is another teacher that teaches the Bible correctly I believe. Thanks to you all and God's Grace abound to you....PS. I rejoice to be able to give what I can to Jesus Christ who deserves it all.And pray and look forward to be able to do more by His Grace!
Thanks for the link. Which article were you referring to because one of the links is by Don Brown Ministries and his teachings were addressed as suspect on Todd Friel's TV Show Wretched! Check his website. it was a program aired in the beginning of January. It addresses alot of the Pentecostal craziness and lukewarm Christians. Not sure if you have seen it. John MacArthur has come out on his program several times so I think he is legit. God Bless You. :)
I'm in total agreement with John Piper as he stated "He hates the prosperity gospel". My husband and I spend 12 years in a church where this was taught. The only person in the church that got richer was the pastor. The only thing taught week after week, month after month, year after year was that if you give, give, give you will be blessed. We gave, gave, gave (thousands) and never got the kind of "blessed" that was taught. It was also so 'cultish' in that we were taught if you talked about the pastor behind his back, he couldn't be responsible for what might happen to you, (hint, hint). I saw people get sick and die several times because he taught from the pulpit that 'he never went to the doctor, he just believed, he lived right and because of that he never got sick'. People that left got talked about from the pulpit. Once it was even said that someone had left the church and later died. At one point in time my husband and I were so scared because we had been reading our bible and had come to the point of not believing in what was being taught and felt like we needed to leave. We saw so much sin in the leadership of that church it was sickening. We were just told to turn our heads. God doesn't need our help in judging. We finally left and guess what, we didn't die. The only problem is that after trying a few more churches we were just fed up. Now we don't go to church. We love the Lord with all our heart, soul and strength. We study the Word, listen to John M every chance we get and pray. After getting over severe anger towards my previous pastor my heart is really burdened with sadness for all the other people that are there and for the pastor himself. I hope how soon Jesus comes back!!!
This is my first post here, and I'm so thankful to God for GTY ministries and their commitment to the truth.
I too was saved from the a WF, chrismatic , emotion-driven church background. Think of all the bad you see in it -- and you will see me. I helped lead the singing. I taught class. I believed it all!! I've spoke in tongues, been slain in the spirit, "experienced" healing. I've seen people dance. And I've even saw people begging God for a spirit baptism as proof of their salvation. Thank God I'm not there anymore. But, I know plenty of people who are. In fact , I'm related to many who still are.
Let me tell you all something-- they're all in deep trouble! They are just as decieved as I was!
The question at the top was what should our responce be to people who believe these lies? The only way to confront lies is with the truth. We need to arm ourselves with God's Word- I mean really arm ourselves. Know what It says- why It says what It says, and what our responce before God should be to It. Thes people have a twisted idea of what it means to be a Christian. That's why their message is so twisted. They have no idea what Christian freedom means, so they throw restraint out the door- it's anything goes in some of these services. These are decieved people, decieved by tradition, by false teaching, by Satan himself.
Brothers and Sisters in Christ- we need to pray that God would raise up people - harvesters to go into this wide open field an take them the truth. The Truth that IS the gospel. Pray for me- I see it out there but, sometimes it's just overwhelming. I've had a couple of confrontations already, and God was faithful. But, I have to work on my love a little. It's so easy to be drawn into a fight with error. God help me to hate the sin but love the decieved sinner!!
I am a witness to this movement. A teaching straight from the pit of hell. May God continue to raise up those who would be vessels that He will use to live faithfully to Him and Love Him even unto to death if that be His will. "Nothing to the cross I bring". Please continue Grace to You to be faith to Him who is forever faithful to His Word. May He find us faithful
The prosperity crowd or name-it and claim-it bunch equate material wealth with the amount of faith you have. Hmm. by that logic the Son of God would have had very little faith. He had no home of His own. He never had more than a couple of coins on Him at any time. He died broke on a cross. And poor Paul had a thorn in the flesh and died broke in prison. Seems to fly in the face doesn't it?
True and faithful Christian organizations must continue the process of teaching the Word of God and reveal the false doctrines not only of the health and wealth prosperity movements but also of the other heretics.As individuals we ought to:- continuously pray for the gift of discernment- pray for the unsaved who are being deceived by these movements- evangelizeFinally, I would add, we have the obligation to go to church, to be part of the church. It saddens me that a few people here refuse to go to church just because they had dodgy experiences.Just pray, seek, knock and the Lord will make you find a church, a serious one.Ask GTY, they probably know some church in your area where the Bible is taugt verse by verse and not selectively.Check the Calvary Chapel list of churches in your area but remember: always pray for discernment.
In Christ
In the book "Think Biblically!", the sufficiency and veracity of scripture has stood the test of time. However, those who pick and choose certain scriptures to verify their personal belief and not a biblical belief is in on dangerous ground. The prosperity cult doesn't care to approach scripture as sufficient for the glory of God. If they did, this blog wouldn't have to take place. I hear a dangerous message that is heard and read between the spoken and written word of these "Christians" that the Almighty God is obligated to give us our "desires" simply because we ask for them. If we are all to be rich and wealthy, then why did Jesus, in the Parable of the Sower, give three examples of blessed soils. If not, Jesus would have stated and all soil will yield 30, 60, or 90. Their claims are self-refutive and are built on a foundation of sand. Each of those soils represents the heart that receives the word and the Lord will use and bless them as He sees fit for His glory! So, the prosperity crowd never searches scripture to define scripture. Sola Scriptura!!! Pastor MacArthur states before every GTY programming, "I am determined to know nothing among you, other than, Jesus Christ and Him crucified." I pray these deceivers be set free and come to the truth.
You are right. We are in a fight against the spiritual realm. Let's tuck in the loose ends, roll-up our sleaves, put on our armor, and yield to the Holy Spirit.
To: Caneparo,
All of us that have had a difficult time finding a good church home and some have "given up"; at least on a temporary basis. Who do you think is saddened more? You or them? You said "just because they had dodgy experiences" is a little demeaning to say the least and is not very encouraging; although I can see this was not your intent.
I can only speak for myself only, but would surmise many others have a similar experience(s). It is not always just a one to three time visit to discern who is building a particular church, Christ or men.
I have been to at least 10-15 different churches within a 15 mile radious, most are Southern Baptist, but what you run into is at times shocking. After spending months and months and yes, checking the Masters alumni, which is the last church we were at for nearly two years just for that reason. But as John has stated before that he had some cocerns about some of the graduates; which in this case turned out to be true without going into great details, but to say when several good Christians were leaving for the same reasons; I decided to address this head on applying 1 Timothy 5 and the result was I was osterisized, yet the Pastor left within two weeks because rather than walking away and just because no other elders were willing to step up; I felt convicted that if I walked away without some accountability, which was the easiest thing to do, I would bring reproach upon God, myself and those who were and would be affected. I stayed away to discern if it was my issue or a leadership issue. I prayed and studied and sought out unbias Godly counsel and spoke to some of the former members and found a pattern of behavior that was disturbing. I listened to countless sermons on the qualifications and the responsibility of the sheep to the shepard et al. With I Tim. 5 as a guide, but no one to agree to come before the congregation; I was in a real corner; so I wrote a detailed letter explaining the problems and applied Scripture to them. It took over a month and at least 10-15 revisions and a lot of sound boarding and input from other Christians I know and trusted. I finally sent the letter and for accountability purposes I sent it to all the elsers to hold myself and the pastor accountable. Two weeks later he resigned to persue his real interests and mentioned nothing concerning the letter, yet I was then blamed for his leaving although he gave other reasons; accused of fabricating lies, but in the end I am at peace because my heart was with God, with the pastor and his family, with the other effected members and with all those that were and are affected. Three months later and am at peace and have no regrets and i know that "God causes ALL things to work together for good to those that love God" and that applies to me and to those that are hurting because of his departure. He is no longer preaching except as a military reserve chaplin. This is a pastor that wrote a book that John has his endorsement on and is fairly well known especially among the military.
He is writing another book, which was our Wednesday prayer meeting that turned into a new book reading and preparation. I rebuked him for consitently, although infrequently, putting down Grace Community Church, John and even Phil Johnson was mentioned. This is just one example of many strange things. I pray to God that he repents or at least has the integrity not to request an endorsement from John.
Now the church we have been looking at has a preacher that knows the word of God very well and will preach 45 inutes to an hour with a lot of pratical application. I am a little confounded at this point because I can tell the congregation as a whole is under a heavy burden coming from the leadership. It seems like a guilt trip concerning giving and serving is being constantly pressed onto these people and you can feel it and some of it is blatent, but much is subtle.
It is a shame because they appear to be good people and they are very generous in their giving, but is it because of pressure or from a cheerful heart and this is where discernment comes to play and it is important. Consider there are about 150-200 members and there are 55 open positions for serving; something is wrong here. Yet you fill out the "guest card" and no one even calls, which seems to me that perhaps this church has lost its first love; i hope not but each week I go iam seeing the same thing and I am now taveling 30 minutes each way, which is not a real big deal but considering how many churches are within a 15-20 minute drive; it is rather sad and at times you just want to through your hands in the air. I do not plan to give up and I do know there is no perfect church, but Christ must be the one bulding the church and this is what we are seeking. I hope this gives a little insight to the difficulties some of us are or may be experiencing.
You are absolutely correct in praying for discernment and I would add wisdom because God promises to freely give to those who seek it with sincerity and He does keep His promises.
God bless all of you that face the same issues and pray for us as well.
Dear Glen Rounds,
I just have to say something about your comment. It made me very upset. I can't believe you put John Macarthur in the same category as Swggert and Hagee, and ETC. I am not for one moment putting John Macarthur on a pedestal but you have to look at the evidence and John Macarthur is worthy of double honor. He is the real deal! And for someone to say they agree with some of what John Macarthur teaches or most of what he teaches is just a cop-out. He is not infallable but he is as close as you can get. If you truly walked with the Lord then you would see that he is right-on. I am not trying to be unloving but we need to wake up and realize who is really teaching the Word of God and who isn't. Please interpret the bible the way it should be interpreted. If you lack wisdom please ask of God like James says.
This is to michael's comment.
It is so true what you said and this proves that their authority is not the Word of God but their own thoughts and understanding. They could care less about truth and doctrine, they just care about the MONEY. Remember what Paul said in 1 Cor. He said if you are spiritual then you will know that I speak from God and that this is God's Word. You have to be willingly ignorant to agree with anything about the falsehood in the Charismatic movement. and likewise to not agree with John Macarthur.
One more comment:
If people are being delivered from this movement than their must be something wrong with it. Also if we believe what we believe then everybody else has the capacity to believe the truth also. We aren't wrong to believe what we believe even if we are in the minority.
We're responsible to expose false teachers. An acquaintance I know sent me some information on Joyce Meyer Ministries yesterday. You don't know how loopy her theology is regarding Jesus Christ. Her errors are so subtle.
The other part of the problem is that it seems she definitely likes the "prosperity gospel" and the benefits it brings her financially. Her home is the size of a university.
Also, she is a woman "preacher" and believes in the charismatic movement's heresies. All of her teachings cater to the flesh/felt needs and how much God wants to do for you. You never see followers of prosperity preachers prospering!
Thomas, being in the minority when it comes to truth is usually the best place to be! Scripture teaches that the road to eternal life is "narrow". Matthew 7:13-14.
What I also meant by my comment was that people think that because there are so few of us who really believe the truth like we do that we really aren't right or we have limited knowledge. The fact that the charismatic movement is so far reaching and broad and has many followers gives people the deception that it has to be right and of God. They judge it by the majority and because it has so many followers. So because we are so few in number we can't be right is the conclusion the world and other so-called Christians come to.
I understand more clearly what you meant. Thanks for explaining. I think also that because the charismatic movement is so "far reaching and broad" as you said is a greater indictment that it's not the true gospel, because it appeals to so many people.
Once, when I was defending the Bible against the "it's just a book written by men" argument, I said that, "What person in ther right mind, trying to 'get a religion going', as you argue, is going to write a book that instantly condemns everyone born to eternal punishment, gives no compliment or benefit for being 'a good person', and generally condemns EVERYTHING that most people would naturally find self-fulfilling and satisfying?"
No one said anything at that point, so I added, "I think that those facts alone prove the Bible IS God's word." Anything from God would naturally be alien to us, wouldn't it? I mean, apart from His enablement we're opposed to everything God stands for. So something that is so appealing to the majority yet leaves you unchanged at your core, well...how can that be of God?
re: comment #43
Mark, I apologize to you and anybody else for being too concise and for choosing the word "dodgy", please read "disarming experiences".I totally agree with you, however you and your family are proactively searching, and the Lord will surely provide.I will be praying for you and all the other brethren who are in your very same situation.
To all:
It has been spiritually uplifting to read through the recent comments posted on this GTY blog as I agree with those experiences expressed, having myself come out of the charismatic movement and having also experiencing an inability to find a truth-based church with committed, true Christians in attendance, (let alone a pastor truly called of God).
I am literally starving in my truth-deprived community. Lots of churches around but major problems with sound doctrine and deficiencies in biblical principles abounding. One can't feed on the Word in most modern churches, that's true. I have been so in need of spiritual fellowship and desiring to hear the truth preached from the pulpit, that I recently drove from my home in AZ to attend Grace Church for the first time, on a Sunday this month. I loved it! I plan on going back for the week of the Shepherd's conference, March 3-7 and soak it all in.
Contemporary worship where I live, ala Calvary Chapel, abounds. In 1993 I backslid out of a Calvary Chapel church. I consider CC to be worldly with no standards, boundaries, or perimeters taught. Remember, we don't want to offend anyone! Today I now find it difficult worshiping amid persons in tee shirts and jeans, spaghetti staps and cleavage, singing 7-11 worship songs, with a bent toward rock music, projected onto a screen over fields of flowers or other distractions. An attendee has to wonder if they are at a barnyard hoedown rather than at a church gathered to worship the holy God of the universe.
In the endless landscape of churches in my community, a new one has flourished, more laid back than CC, this one endeavors to make church attendance a breeze. It is a place where needless inconveniences have been eliminated, things such as Bibles and hymn books, and the gospel truth, are absent. The one service that I attended was a multi-media show with pictures and movies on huge overhead screens. The song service was like a high school spirit rally repleat with two lovely "cheerleaders" on each corner of the stage leading us in repetitious song. The "sermon message" contained one single sentence from Scripture that was forgotten by this attendee midway through the extravaganza. I couldn't leave fast enough when the show ended!
The Baptist churches around me seem to admire the likes of Rick Warren and James Dobson and require their congregations to be perpetually involved in their latest programs or those of like contemporaries. Many churches once claiming to be conservative are now seeker-friendly with the offering of contemporary worship services that inevitably spill into the traditional ones. And then there are the Baptist hold-outs where the pastor and congregants smugly believe that they are the last remnent of the original church of Acts, and so elevate tradition and each other and distrust anything or anyone that doesn't worship the King James Bible version and their interpretation of it. Trying to find the right church has been exasperating!
There are many others that I have attended, too numerous to name, that basically offer false and misleading interpretations of the Bible attractive to people who have never read the Bible and/or have never taken the time to study it on their own to learn its truths. So there, as I once was, the ignorant and misguided continue to gather together, wallowing in misinformation, half-truths and total falsehoods, never fully spiritually satisfied, always questioning their relationship with God and inevitably headed for a spiritual cliff. Following that path, I did succumb to major sin, hit rock bottom, finally repented (on a hospital bed with cancer), cllimbed out of that black hole, and now I know when I hear the truth, especially from such reliable teacher/pastors as John MacArthur and the other pastors at Grace Church, Don Green and Phil Johnson. God bless them!
After becoming familiar with the teaching of John MacArthur first on radio, then through his books and CDs and now through the internet, by the grace of God, I believe that God has finally placed me, along with so many others, on the right path to Him. The discernment that I lacked for so many years prior has been graciously gifted to me by His Spirit and through the knowlege of His Word. I am now walking in His wonderful light! I thank God for the blessing of knowing Him and His truth! I am thankful for the dedication to the teaching of the truth found through the Grace to You ministry and John MacArthur.
May God bless each of you as you pursue the Lord and solid biblical teaching. I am ready to move to L.A. and join Grace Church, if only my husband would go along with the idea! Praying that it is God's will! Glory to His name! Bless you all! Love in Christ, -Holly
I am praying that your dream of moving to Los Angeles to attend Grace Community Church becomes a reality. I have attended Calvary Chapel of Downey periodically and while it is not as conservative as a traditional Baptist Church, I do feel that they preach the Word. It does have that hippie/surfer feel to it, but I'll let the Lord be the judge as to whether they are doing God's Will through their worship style. I belong to a Reformed Baptist Church in Downey which has both type of services (traditional & contemporary) and while the music might be contemporary the Word of God is still preached. CC Downey preaches expositionally and I do appreciate that they preach both the Old & the New Testament which is something I miss at traditional Baptist Churches because they either preach topically or the New Testament only mixed with some Scriptures from the Old Testament. I like the fact Calvary preachers the Word Sundays & Wednesdays which I feel the Baptist Churches would benefit from. What I like about Baptist Churches is that they have Sunday & Wednesday classes that help you with different aspects of life (marriage, finances, etc.) which makes the Bible relevant to everyday life. What I also like about Baptist preaching is they don't hold back and are bold enough to call out false teachers & doctrines. There is no perfect church unfortunately until the Lord comes. :) God Bless You! :)
I am a new Christian and the Holy Spirit did a 180 on my life within the past year. LAst year, when my husband and I were having marital issues we sought help from a pastor who lived across the street. We had known that he was a Christian pastor but we didn't attend church then, nor did we attend his church when invited. Upon speaking to him about our marital issues, he gave us great words of encouragement. My husband and I then decided to check out his Sunday service. After attending a few Christian services my husband decided to take the step of baptism. That day without warning, I decide to make a public confession of my faith as well and was baptized. To make a long story short I think they are a charismatic church, even though they say they are non-denominational. They believe that the infilling of the Holy Ghost and the spiritual gift of speaking in tongues is a "necessity," as evidence of salvation. Although I am a new Christian, I did my research and my Bible reading and felt that this is not sound doctrine. My husband confronted our beloved friend/Pastor with some JM sermon transcripts, and he defended the speaking of tongues, as evidence. I think we will just have to agree to disagree. I believe though that they are truly evangelical Christians, but I am just not agreeing with the tongues thing. I love him and his family for helping my husband in I in rough times, but I cannot attend their church because of their belief in tongues. Besides he has been a Christian longer than I, who am I to argue. Has anyone had a similar experience?
To Thomas Kennedy's post of Jan 27th:
Mat 7:13 Go in through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many there are who go in through it.
There will only be a few going through the narrow way. The more the followers of the way to destruction can only be the broad way. Hence the charismatic way(faith, healing, more money etc)(in my opinion, which studying the Bible brought me to that conclusion). I went to a Bennie Hinn 'whatever' about 7 years ago when I was in that broad way. The HUGE auditorium Birminham (alabama) Jefferson Civic Center was filled to overflowing. The place was packed out with probably over 10,000 people there. I never saw one healing or felt the Holy Spirit at all. That was one of the first times I said to myself, either something is wrong with me or this is a crock. After much studying it was a crock!
I've decided I like that narrow way. However not many people like me for it. No one wants to take the Word and use it as a mirror!!! Very painful :)
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Left: Lambert Doomer (Dutch, 1624–1700), Salt Flats at Le Croisic, ca. 1671–1673. Brown ink and brown and gray washes on ledger paper mounted on cream laid paper. L12.7. Right: Rembrandt Harmensz van Rijn (Dutch, 1606–1669), Self-Portrait Drawing at a Window, 1648. Etching, drypoint and burin. 1959.40.19
Rembrandt's Century
Drawing largely from the world-renowned collection of works on paper in the Fine Arts Museums' Achenbach Foundation for Graphic Arts, this exhibition examines a wide range of artworks from the 17th century. Complementing the upcoming Girl with a Pearl Earring at the de Young, opening in January 2013, Rembrandt's Century sheds light on a fascinating roster of artistic personalities, both famous and forgotten, of the late Mannerist and Baroque eras. At its core is a generous selection of etchings by Rembrandt van Rijn—arguably his generation's most influential artist.
The exhibition explores Rembrandt's predecessors and his impact on followers both in Holland and internationally as it explores the rich print culture of the era, focusing on representations of artists and their world, portraiture, natural history, scenes of daily life, landscape and subjects drawn from mythology and religion.
Works by painter-printmakers such as Adriaen van Ostade, Giovanni Benedetto Castiglione and Jusepe de Ribera are balanced against contributions by specialized graphic artists such as Jacques Callot, Wenceslaus Hollar and Lambert Doomer. Virtuosic engravings, ambient etchings, exquisite ink drawing, fanciful watercolors and more illustrate the enormous range and appeal of printmaking and drawing techniques in the time of Rembrandt.
The catalogue is published with the assistance of the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation Endowment for Publications.


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The Armored Group and PI Innovo Introduce a New Active Ride Control System (ARCS)
The Armored Group (TAG) and Pi Innovo have jointly developed a new active ride control system for use on armored civilian, commercial and government vehicles to include Armored Non Standard Commercial Vehicles (ANSCV).
The TAG/Pi Innovo Active Ride Control System (ARCS) replaces a vehicle's standard passive shock absorbers with an automatically controlled active damping system, which improves vehicle stability and ride comfort over a wide range of terrains and vehicle speeds. Much of the standard vehicle suspension system is retained, providing optimized ride comfort and range of operation.
Unlike traditional passive suspensions, the ARCS package provides excellent ride control under both high and low-speed conditions. Handling characteristics are not compromised on rough or loose surfaces improving vehicle safety under normal and emergency driving conditions. The ARCS package consists of an Electronic Control Unit (ECU), electronically-controlled dampers, accelerometers, and the associated wiring harness to connect with the vehicle for power and CAN bus communications. The dampers used in the system are commercially-available parts and meet all appropriate durability requirements for passenger vehicles.
An armored Chevrolet Suburban demonstrator vehicle is available for ride and handling evaluations and has been used and evaluated for several months by organizations providing driver training to civilian and military organizations. Testimonials about the new ARCS system have been extremely positive.
Luke Hayward, a former member of the U.S. Army Special Forces and now CEO of Kinetic Options LLC, provided driver training for active Special Forces operators. "The Armored Group's Chevrolet Suburban features an advanced suspension system and is by far the best armored Non-Tactical Vehicle I have ever driven," said Hayward. "During driver training maneuvers, many operators commented that the armored Suburban from The Armored Group was the best handling armored vehicle they had ever driven."
Kurt Delia, former SWAT Team leader and now President of Delia Tactical International, also conducted driver training using The Armor Group's Suburban with Pi Innovo's suspension system, he commented, "I was extremely impressed with the quality and performance of the vehicle, the suspension system is second to none and far exceeded our driving instructor's expectations."
"The TAG/Pi Innovo ARCS package enables us to offer our customers the level of safety and protection they expect from a TAG vehicle, along with the exceptional ride quality and handling available from standard passenger vehicles," said Robert Pazderka, President of The Armored Group. "It enhances passenger comfort, reduces the workload on the driver and provides an overall level of refinement and safety not previously available on armored vehicles. We feel the advantages of the ARCS package increase TAG's competitive advantage in the armored vehicle market."
Walter Lucking, Owner and CEO of Pi Innovo LLC added "Working with a well-established and respected partner like The Armored Group provides us with an opportunity to showcase our expertise in the development of electronics systems and helps provide a competitive advantage in the arena of commercial armored passenger vehicles. With the development of the ARCS package Pi Innovo has demonstrated once again that we are experts in providing innovative electronics systems to vehicle and other related industries."
Currently the ARCS system is available as an installed option on TAG-built armored Chevrolet Suburban and Tahoe, the GMC Yukon and Cadillac Escalade. Several other similar vehicle types have ARCS packages currently in development. Systems for larger heavy-duty Military and Law Enforcement vehicles are also planned.
About The Armored Group
The Amored Group (TAG) has over 20 years of experience engineering, manufacturing and modifying armored vehicles for use by government and military agencies, private business and individual citizens around the world. TAG will engineer, design, build or modify tactical armored vehicles for any terrain and any environment. They specialize in three categories of armored vehicles: Armored personnel carriers, personal protection vehicles and cash-in-transit vehicles.
TAG provides the highest quality armored vehicles available and sets the standard for customization, reliability and protection. To ensure that all TAG vehicles meet the highest standards of safety, they undergo extreme ballistics testing and have received VPAM-BVR 2009/VR7 Ballistic/ERV 2010 Blast Certification for their Toyota Land Cruiser and Toyota Hilux armoring solutions. They achieved this high level of certification by passing a rigorous test performed by independent ballistic testing laboratories by Beschussamt located in Ulm, Germany.
The company has three manufacturing plants located in Canada, Dubai and their newest state-of-the art facility in Detroit, Michigan. All facilities are ISO 9001 certified and managed by fully qualified and experienced professionals who serve customers around the world.
TAG is a full-line commercial armored vehicles builder and has provided customized engineering, design and building solutions to a vast array of clients including Brinks, Loomis, Dunbar Armored, KBR, Lockheed Martin, DynCorp, U.S. Army and Air Force, U.S. and foreign governments and agencies such as the DOD, DOS and United Nations.
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Pi Innovo is an expert partner for the design and development of innovative electronics systems to the automotive, defense, and allied industries. Uniquely adaptable business engagements, based on Pi Team services and OpenECU™ products, enjoy a strong reputation for delivering results of the highest quality, providing outstanding value for our customers.
Pi Innovo confirms its high quality software development capabilities with the achievement of Maturity Level Three in the CMMI for Development v1.3 (CMMI-DEV v1.3 ML3).
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Who provides customer service?
My definition of customer service: if you're interacting with other humans in any significant way, you're providing customer service. If the way you treat your customers or guests influences their decision to come back or not, you're providing customer service.
Even though I have experience in retail, I'm not one to say that the customer is always right, or without fault. BUT I'm well aware of the fact that many employees can be (and are) very rude, disrespectful or disinterested in your problems – no matter how sincere you may be. Recently I've had at least two experiences where the employees felt that because it wasn't in their job description, providing compassionate and patient customer service wasn't necessary. A woman told me it wasn't in her job description to do a [simple] task, and another man criticized me over the phone while his manager co-signed his statements, saying that because they're not customer service, the standards are different.
Perhaps they long to be mere flies on the wall, who just answer the phone or are only polite to people who don't give them a hard time. Or more specifically, if your job security isn't depended on how nice you are to someone, you're more likely to take liberties with patrons. Additionally, if the management is more lax about your behavior toward guests, then you're more likely to have an attitude problem. Or finally, you have people who really don't care and feel justified in how they treat you. Or a combination of all three.
Part of the reason this really grinds my gears is because at its core, customer service is essentially an act of service; providing for another in a way that they can't provide for themselves. In this way, we're of service to one another via blogging, books, films, Twitter/Facebook, in the streets, working in businesses both big and small. The list goes on.
Did you hold the door open for someone today? Did you pay a friend a compliment or give them a hug? Were you polite and patient to the hurried barista as the line led out the door? Did you think twice before snapping at someone who irritated you today?
To be of service is to acknowledge another person. For example: I often take the bus to get where I need to go, and will often say, "Thank you" to the bus driver on the way out. This created a chain of events in which everyone said "thank you". He got us to where we needed to be safely and efficiently. To empower someone is to acknowledge them. To acknowledge someone is to empower them.
When you criticize someone unnecessarily, or feel the need to put them down, or be cruel to another person – you're dis-empowering them.
Customer service, at its core, is about giving another person the tools they need to go about the world. Sometimes that means being nice to someone, sometimes it means listening. At its core, it's about helping people realize that there's good in the world, that people care, and that they're not alone.
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Check out this video. Awesome. The term cerebral is now officially overused when describing smart athletes, so I won't use it. But I will say that Rodgers may be one of the smartest athletes to come around in a long time. And you can judge that not just from videos like this or factually – the impressive decisions he makes on the field. But also by how he manages himself off the field. Again, we're lucky to have this guy as the leader of our team.
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Schaefer Says:
December 13, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
that's cool…and not thrown off by the wrap it up clap…not that one would ever think he would be


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The teams of Jenny Kropp-Whitney Pavlik and John Hyden-Sean Scott capped successful seasons Sunday by winning the Jose Cuervo Pro Beach Volleyball Series National Championships in Huntington Beach, Calif.
Kropp-Pavlik won their sixth series event this season, beating Lauren Fendrick-Rachel Scott 21-14, 21-18 in the final.
April Ross and Jen Kessy, the Olympic silver medalists in London, withdrew Friday afternoon, reportedly because Kessy suffered a shoulder injury.
Meanwhile, Hyden-Scott won their fifth event by beating two-time U.S. Olympians Jake Gibb and Sean Rosenthal in the final. It was Gibb-Rosenthal's final match together.
"I have a lot of respect for that team," Scott said of the Olympians after the 21-15, 21-12 victory. "I'm so glad we got to play them in their last match together."
While Hyden-Scott are done for the season, Kropp-Pavlik still plan to compete in an FIVB World Tour event in Thailand Oct. 23-28
Leah Keiser and Jason Brown gave the United States a sweep of the singles gold medals at the ISU Junior Grand Prix in Istanbul, Turkey.
Keiser was third after the short program, but produced the highest free skate score to win in her Junior Grand Prix debut. Brown, who won the Junior Grand Prix Final last season, earned his second medal of the season. Fellow American Shotaro Omori finished fourth.
Americans Lorraine McNamara and Quinn Carpenter were fourth in ice dancing, one spot ahead of Kaitlin Hawayek and Jean-Luc Baker.
Amber Neben finished fourth in the elite women's race Saturday at the UCI Road World Championships in Valkenburg, Netherlands. Neben, a 2012 Olympian, finished the 128.8-kilometer race in 3:15:02, just 15 seconds from a medal.
Evelyn Stevens, a silver medalist in the elite women's time trail Tuesday, finished 16th. Larry Warbasse was 18th in the men's U-23 road race.
Elsewhere, Marian University won the Division I team omnium title Saturday at the Collegiate Track National Championships in Frisco, Texas. Massachusetts Institute of Technology won the Division II team title.
Colton Barrett of Marian and Colleen Hayduk of Kutztown University won individual omniums.
Robin Caruso and David Kyle won paraduathlon titles at the ITU Duathlon World Championships Saturday in Nancy, France.
Caruso won the women's TRI-4 category while Kyle won the men's TRI-3 category. Caruso finished in 1:13:24 and Kyle in 1:05:52 on the 5-kilometer run, 20-kilometer bike, 2.5-kilometer run course. Michael Johnston was second in men's TRI-5 in 1:02:23.
D'Ann Arthur was 16th in the women's elite race on a 10-kilometer run, 40-kilometer bike and 5-kilometer run course. Dan Hedgecock led the U.S. men in 26th.
Elsewhere, Dave Slavinski and Elizabeth Waterstraat won overall titles at the USA Triathlon Long Course National Championship Saturday in Oklahoma City. Slavinski, the runner-up last year, finished the 1.2-mile swim, 56-mile bike and 13.1-mile run in 4:07:20 to win by 16 minutes.
The Club National Championship was held at the same site Sunday. Tri OKC won the Division I title for clubs with 250 or more members.
Other club titles went to Rufus Racing, Kansas River Valley Triathlon Club, Wichita Triathlon Team and Team 3xFast.
All four U.S. bowlers earned first-round byes by completing qualifying in the top eight at the World Tenpin Bowling Association World Singles Championships in Limassol, Cyprus. The top 24 men and 24 women advance to the best-of-five bracket matches.
Kelly Kulick led women's qualifying with a 237.7 average for 12 games. Shannon O'Keefe qualified fourth. Tommy Jones qualified second and Chris Barnes fifth among the men.
The tournament continues through Tuesday.
WRESTLING: Veronica Carlson earned a silver medal in women's freestyle at 67 kg/147.5 pounds Saturday at the Heydar Aliyev Golden Grand Prix Finals in Baku, Azerbaijan. Les Sigman won his final bout for a men's freestyle bronze medal at 96 kg/211.5 pounds Friday.
Elsewhere, five-time champion Brad Swartz claimed a silver medal in the Division D (51-55 years old) 76 kg weight class for the best U.S. finish at the Veterans World Championships Saturday in Budapest, Hungary.
SOCCER: Jane Campbell made 12 saves Saturday, allowing the United States to escape with a scoreless tie against France in its first Group B game at the FIFA U-17 Women's World Cup in Lankaran, Azerbaijan. The United States, which is 13-0-2 in international play this year, plays Gambia Tuesday at 8 a.m. ET.
FIELD HOCKEY: Nikki Parsley scored both goals when the U.S. women defeated Chile 2-1 Saturday to take the bronze medal at the Pan American Junior Championship in Guadalajara, Mexico. The third-place finish qualified the United States for the Junior World Cup. Chile beat the U.S. men, 3-2, in overtime for the bronze medal Sunday.
TRACK AND FIELD: Max King defended his title at the USA 50-Kilometer Trail Championships at home in Bend, Ore. King won in 3:33:10. Erica Larson won the women's title and was seventh overall in 4:11:28.
SQUASH: Olivia Fiechter won all three of her matches in the U.S. Women's Team Trials in Stamford, Conn., to claim the final spot on the roster for the Women's World Team Championships to be held Nov. 12-17 in Nimes, France. The 17-year-old joins Natalie Grainger, Sabrina Sobhy and Kristen Lange on the roster.
WEIGHTLIFTING: Marissa Klingseis finished sixth in the 69+ kg division at the IWF Youth Weightlifting Championship in Kosice, Slovakia. Tayler Jakubsen was seventh in the Youth 94 kg B session.
MODERN PENTATHLON: Natalie Bowman was 41st for the top U.S. finish at the UIPM Youth World Championships in Tata, Hungary.
Story courtesy Red Line Editorial, Inc. Tom Robinson is a freelance contributor for TeamUSA.org. Material from various news services and press releases from National Governing Bodies was used to compile this report. This story was not subject to the approval of any National Governing Bodies.


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Man arrested in Iron River on assault, drug charges
Christine Scott Kallal
IRON MOUNTAIN – Christine Scott Kallal, 63, of Iron Mountain, passed away on Aug. 1, 2013 at her home.
Chris was born on Nov. 21, 1949 in Springfield, Ill., to Robert Scott and Margaret Scott Anderson. She graduated from Springfield High School in 1967 and attended Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa.
She married Thomas Kallal in 1970 and the couple recently celebrated their 43rd anniversary. They moved to Iron Mountain in 1978. Chris worked at Bay Title & Abstract for nearly 30 years, during which time she completed her education and earned a Bachelor of Arts in history and business administration from Northern Michigan University. She was a longtime member and served as a deacon of the First Presbyterian Church. She loved quilting, gardening, cooking, traveling with her family and visiting her children.
Chris is survived by her mother, Margaret of Miami, Fla.; husband, Tom of Iron Mountain; three daughters, Amy Kallal (Gregory Keyes) of New York, Lara Kallal of Hoboken, N.J., and Kate Kallal (Brian Rudd) of Ithaca, N.Y.; a sister, Madeline (Dwayne) Beatty of Miami; one grandson, Elliot David Rudd; many nieces, nephews and friends, including special friend Linnea Marchetti.
The funeral will be held on Saturday, Aug. 24 at First Presbyterian Church in Kingsford, with Reverend Michael March officiating. Visitation will be from 10 a.m. to 12 p.m., with a memorial service at 12 p.m., and a luncheon to follow.
In lieu of flowers, donations may be made to OSF Home Care Services, Escanaba.
Condolences may be expressed to the family of Christine Kallal online at www.ernashfuneralhomes.com.
The family has entrusted the Erickson-Rochon & Nash Funeral Home of Iron Mountain with the arrangements.