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House of Commons Hansard #151 of the 38th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was trade.
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- Remembrance Day Train
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- Parliament of Canada
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- Immigration
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- Human Resources
- The Economy
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- Controlled Drugs and Substances Act
Oral Questions
3 p.m.
Joe Volpe Minister of Citizenship and Immigration
Mr. Speaker, the justice lies in the results. Many more refugees were welcomed here last year than in the previous year. That is justice. We voluntarily take in refugees and welcome them to this country.
Oral Questions
3 p.m.
John Cummins Delta—Richmond East, BC
Mr. Speaker, the leaky condo disaster is costing homeowners billions of dollars. The government has known for years that the national energy program caused the disaster and that the department of energy ordered a cover-up.
In 1981, CMHC told the deputy minister of energy that his department's energy conservation measures were the main cause of rotting walls in newly constructed homes. The deputy minister's response was to demand a cover-up.
Would the Minister of Natural Resources acknowledge that his department's demand for a cover-up is costing homeowners billions of dollars?
Oral Questions
3 p.m.
London North Centre
Joe Fontana Minister of Labour and Housing
Mr. Speaker, I believe you ruled on a response we provided to Question No. 151 as appropriate, and you did that yesterday. Therefore I am sure the hon. member in this House would not want me to comment on a matter that is before the British Columbia courts.
Human Resources
Oral Questions
November 16th, 2005 / 3 p.m.
Lynne Yelich Blackstrap, SK
Mr. Speaker, the compassionate care program was supposed to assist the thousands who perform the physically and emotionally draining task of caring for a terminally ill loved one. However the program is riddled with fundamental flaws and its administration costs far outstrip the benefits.
The minister knows that already, just as her predecessors in the portfolio did for over two years. She said, when asked weeks ago in this House, that changes were "coming very soon". When terminally ill, soon may not be soon enough.
As there is a failure to present any changes to cabinet, could the minister explain this failure to keep her word to caregivers?
Human Resources
Oral Questions
3 p.m.
Belinda Stronach Minister of Human Resources and Skills Development and Minister responsible for Democratic Renewal
Mr. Speaker, this is not a failure. This a new program that was designed with a greater potential uptake than was actually received at the end of the day. We are looking at the program to expand the definition and, quite frankly, if we do have an election, this is one of the programs that may be compromised.
The Economy
Oral Questions
3 p.m.
Anthony Rota Nipissing—Timiskaming, ON
Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Finance.
Some critics have erroneously claimed that Ontario will not benefit from the Liberal government's economic update. Our economic success is no accident. We have had over 200,000 jobs created this year and October's unemployment rate reached its lowest point in three decades. Housing affordability remains near its best level on record and corporate profits are at their highest level in over 20 years.
Could the Minister of Finance please explain further how Ontarians, like my constituents, will benefit from our government's plan for prosperity?
The Economy
Oral Questions
3:05 p.m.
Ralph Goodale Minister of Finance
Mr. Speaker, our plan for greater competitiveness, productivity and growth will be especially beneficial in Ontario. We will support Ontario's huge business sector with more aggressive trade policy, including further success on the Windsor gateway; more competitive taxes to keep jobs and investment on the Canadian side of the border; more middle and low income students will be able to go to Ontario's excellent universities; more brain power will be developed in this country and in this province; more workers will be able to gain skills; and, more top flight innovation and commercialization. Ontario will be a big winner.
Natural Resources
Oral Questions
3:05 p.m.
Andrew Scheer Regina—Qu'Appelle, SK
Mr. Speaker, yesterday, the Liberal finance minister again refused to provide a fair deal for Saskatchewan's oil and gas revenue. He thinks that fixing previous errors that his own department made is good enough. Well, it is not good enough for my province which sees almost 90% clawed back on our natural resource revenues.
Even with his band-aid fixes to previous mistakes, Saskatchewan still loses a billion dollars because of clawbacks.
Could the minister explain to people in Saskatchewan why we should not get the same fair deal as Newfoundland and Labrador, and Nova Scotia?
Natural Resources
Oral Questions
3:05 p.m.
Ralph Goodale Minister of Finance
Mr. Speaker, the hon. gentleman is just factually wrong. Since February 2004 there has been no such clawback. Saskatchewan has had the full benefit of its natural resources and its full equalization entitlement, which adds up to $799 million extra to the province of Saskatchewan than it otherwise would have received.
I am very happy that today's fiscal accounts in Saskatchewan have reported that the province this year has a surplus of $873 million more.
National Defence
Oral Questions
3:05 p.m.
Greg Thompson St. Croix—Belleisle, NB
Mr. Speaker, following the resignation of the agent orange coordinator, I made a number of recommendations to the government to improve the process, among other things, making the position independent of government with the power to make recommendations in regard to compensation.
Did today's announcement of Dr. Furlong's appointment to this position include any significant changes to address the deficiencies in the original plan?
National Defence
Oral Questions
3:05 p.m.
Toronto Centre
Bill Graham Minister of National Defence
Mr. Speaker, I am very pleased that the hon. member recognizes that the appointment of Dr. Dennis Furlong is an important step in the right direction about getting to an understanding of the agent orange issue.
This coordinator was selected based on his experience and credentials. He is a former health minister of the New Brunswick government. He knows how government works and how important this issue is to Canadians and people from the Gagetown area. I am very pleased that he is willing to take on this responsibility and we look forward to working with him to solve this important issue.
Employment Insurance
Oral Questions
3:05 p.m.
Yves Lessard Chambly—Borduas, QC
Mr. Speaker, the announcement of an 8¢ cut in EI premiums is very bad news for the unemployed. Instead of improving the system by implementing the recommendations of the Standing Committee on Human Resources, Skills Development, Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities—such as creating a 360-hour qualification requirement or calculating the best 12 weeks—the government has chosen to ignore the demands of contributors.
Is the minister aware that because of her action almost 500,000 unemployed individuals will be forced to continue to panhandle?
Employment Insurance
Oral Questions
3:05 p.m.
Belinda Stronach Minister of Human Resources and Skills Development and Minister responsible for Democratic Renewal
Mr. Speaker, I thank the hon. member for highlighting all the good work we have done with respect to evolving EI, in particular the establishment of a commission that sets the rate independently. It has lowered the rate to $1.87, which will allow both workers and business to be more competitive and reduce the costs.
Social Development
Oral Questions
3:05 p.m.
Jean-Claude D'Amours Madawaska—Restigouche, NB
Mr. Speaker, there have been reports in New Brunswick newspapers that the Premier of New Brunswick wants an early learning and child care agreement just like Quebec and that the federal government is simply playing politics with an early learning and child care agreement.
Would the Minister of Social Development please tell us about the deal with New Brunswick.
Social Development
Oral Questions
3:05 p.m.
York Centre
Ken Dryden Minister of Social Development
Mr. Speaker, when negotiations were conducted with officials of the eight provinces, all sides agreed and there was a deal. In one case, New Brunswick at the last minute pulled the plug and refused the deal.
In eight cases, eight provinces, also with significant rural populations, found the flexibility they wanted and needed in signed agreements. In one case, New Brunswick, said no.
In one case with Quebec, in 2003 the amount spent on child care was $1.2 billion. With New Brunswick, the apples to apples comparative number was $12.5 million. That is $1.2 billion versus $12.5 million, about 100 times different. The people of New Brunswick can--


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Friday, December 23, 2011
Coconut Macaroons
Another coconut cookie. I have so much of these dessicated coconut that I need to use it soon and as usual Champa's recipe came handy. When i was mixing the dough I realised that this was so similar to the coconut ladoos that I had made earlier, except for the addition of the flour and baking it!!!!!
All purpose flour 1/3 cup
Condensed milk 1/2 tin(nearly 1/2 cup)
Dessicated coconut 2 1/4 cup
Salt a pinch
Vanilla 1 tsp
Preheat the oven to 175C
Mix flour, dessicated coconut and salt in a bowl.
Add condensed milk and vanilla to it. Knead well.Keep in refrigerator for 20 minutes
Make small balls , flatten a little and arrange them on a greased baking tray.
Bake them for 15 to 18 minutes,
Cool on a wire rack
Serve them with coffee/tea
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September 30, 2004
First lady Laura Bush addresses the crowd at the '04 Victory Rally Wednesday at the Curry County Fairgrounds in Clovis. (Staff photo: Eric Kluth)e
Against the backdrop of a hay-filled truck with a "Viva Bush" sign in the window, first lady Laura Bush told scores of eastern New Mexicans about her husband's dedication to education, the economy and quelling the tide of terrorism.
During a 20-minute speech at the Curry County Fairgrounds on Wednesday, Bush said her husband's "character and conviction" will continue in the White House four more years, and provided a laundry list of reasons to support her predictions.
A recent rise in the country's employment rate, success of the No Child Left Behind Act, the progress of open government in Iraq and civil rights for women in Afghanistan were among claims trumpeted in the first lady's speech.
A West Texas native and former public school teacher in Dallas and Houston, Bush also told the estimated 2,000 in attendance how exciting it was to be back on the High Plains.
"It's great to be in Clovis, Curry County and eastern New Mexico. It's so close to where George and I grew up. I feel like I'm home," Bush said.
The first lady was born in Midland, Texas, the town her husband called home as a youngster.
The first lady urged voters to reach out to Democrats and independents who may be undecided in this year's presidential race, a point paralleled by Clovis City Manager Ray Mondragon in a brief speech before Bush's arrival.
Mondragon told the audience he was a Democrat, waited for the boos to subside, then added: " ... I'm proud to support George W. Bush for president."
Portales resident Lea Fuller is also a Bush supporter, who described the first lady's speech as "beautiful."
"I'm 100 percent behind her," Fuller said. "She was so great. I appreciate George Bush. If he would lose I would be heartbroken."
Local Republicans didn't know specific reasons why the first lady targeted Clovis as a campaign stop, but noted that New Mexico — with its five electoral votes — is considered a swing state in the presidential election.
In 2000, the president lost the state by 366 votes to former Vice President Al Gore.
Sen. Clint Harden, R-Clovis, said the conservative nature of eastern New Mexicans could have prompted the visit.
"The president had a lot of support over here four years ago," Harden said. "We're conservative in this part of the state whether you're a Republican or Democrat."
For the first time in history, Curry County this year has more registered Republican voters than Democrat.
Harden said he was impressed with meeting Bush for the first time.
"I thought her speech was dynamic, pretty full of what the president's done — she hit all the highlights. She did a real good job speaking on his behalf," Harden said.
The event had little resistance from protesting Democrats, although there were four Eastern New Mexico University students at the entrance gate with signs supporting Sen. John Kerry for president.
Kerry will debate President Bush tonight in Miami.
"We're just here voicing our opinion ... that George Bush has made some mistakes and deserves to be out of office," said ENMU sophomore Scott Swagerty, holding a sign that read, "Teresa: Our Next First lady."
Roy Richardson of Pleasant Hill said he's been a Republican for four years, and while he doesn't agree with everything the president does, he appreciates his character.
He was most impressed by "the fact that Mrs. Bush is not ashamed of opening the meeting with a prayer and that character counts" in an election.
Portales resident and Valencia Elementary Principal Todd Morris brought his family to the speech. He said he met George Bush in a coffee shop in Austin, Texas, in 1995.
Morris was one of the many waiting in a line the length of two football fields before the event began.
"It was amazing the first lady coming to eastern New Mexico, where basically the (Bush's) roots are," Morris said. "It was great for my family and everybody to come out and experience."


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Old buddy,,S. Porter,dropped by yesterday---he is about 80--began f-fishing as a child--well educated--taught physics at UNC-a great small stream fisherman--uses only cane rods--has more roll casts than a bi-sexual has friends--has caught many trout in his time--knows East Tenn,NC,Penn,New York state and vermont streams like the back of his hand--growing up,Porter was your classic geek--a physics,math head--too intellectual,too stuck-up for kids his age.his talk is sophisticated,proper,almost Calvinist and fun to listen to in this the age of slang,adulterated language.
Like I said Porter dropped by my store--parked himself in my office with some coffee and last year's xmas cookies---told me about this years good fall fishing had around his favorite Tellico places--finished his coffee--took me to his car to"show me something"---his car--a 1968 Porsche 912--is in such god-awful shape,his grandkids are ashamed to ride in it--inside--the floors are rusted through-it is piled high with stuff(cans(soda,beer,pork and beans,etc)magazines,mail,most unopened,clothes,more clothes,boots,f-fishing stuff,a bird cage(thats right a bird cage)(Tweety ??a suicide??)---outside dents and rust,cracked windsheild---4th engine--what a classic---reaches to a place that could be the back seat--pulls a little blond cane rod not 5 ft long---hands it to me---has a slowwww action---I said"THIS THING'S OKAY PORTER--BUT IT IS SLOW AND TOO SHORT--WHAT GOOD IS IT?Porter looked at me with a dark--death look--a look that could kill--and replied--"IT IS FOR ONLY THE MOST TECHNICAL PRESENTATIONS"---am i wrong---but you've got to like this guy!!!!!
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ps--porter lives in NC---has family here in Ky--visits 3-4 times a year
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Great post! Porter sounds like a classic...and I agree, you definately can't help but like the guy.
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He sounds like a true gem! I was introduced to fly tying and fishing small mountain streams by a guy that sounds very similar. He stood maybe 5' and no more than 150# soaking wet but had a deep, gruff voice. He grew up in rural Arkansas during the depression, became a hobo and traveled most of the Mountain West via boxcar, flew P-38s out of the jungles of New Guinea during WWII, then got an English degree and taught high school English for 30 years. He drove a 1969 Ford Bronco that still had the original shocks and muffler, hammer marks inside the roof from beating it back out after rolling it once, and no power steering or brakes. He wrote articles for local and state hunting/fishing magazines, helped start our TU chapter, and tied flies commercially for a while. Never saw the need for anything more than a Pflueger Medalist reel and rarely wore waders. Characters like him are what made our sport so rich for all these years.
I miss him alot now.
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dawgvet--these guys are a lost tribe--you like them so much--you don't want to end up like them--or--maybe you would like to end up like them--they have a pretty cool vehicle--they have done well in their life--their children and grandchildren love them--they will miss him he is gone(you cannott ask for more than that)---and he fishes--he comes to see you --to show you a new rod--another cane rod--he has many--he likes the streams--he is not afraid of death--he dreads it--because he won't be able to like the streams anymore---
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Ah, the sounds of the season...cough and cold season that is. I'm seeing a lot of runny noses and hearing raspy coughs right now. Many parents are confused about which cough or cold medication they can give their kids. The Consumer Healthcare Products Association has changed the labels on over the counter cold products. These products now say "do not use in children under 4 years of age". The Food and Drug Administration warns "do not use in children under 2 years". And The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends not using OTC cough and cold medicine in children under 6. Now you know why there is so much confusion! Dr. Karen McClard nows this all too well. "I know people swear by over the counter medicines but research shows they are not very effective in treating cough & cold symptoms in adults. So why would they work in children?" And when it comes to children, the research shows that parents are making mistakes and giving their children the wrong dose which can lead to accidental poisoning. So what can you do? Get back to the basics! Start with your grandmother's advice...plenty of rest, drinks lots of fluids, have a bowl of chicken noodle soup and turn on a vaporizer or humidifier in your child's room at night. Dr. McClard advises "if a cough last more than five to seven days or is accompanied by other symptoms like a fever or rash, you may want to bring your child in to see the pediatrician." Something that does work? Honey! Recent studies have shown that honey can be an effective treatment. Keep in mind it is not safe for children under age 1. This winter, I'm not recommending any cold and cough medicines to my patients. Plenty of fluids, rest and time will have your child feeling better in a few days. I'm Dr. Sue with The Kid's Doctor helping parents take charge.
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A Special Meeting of the Finance Committee was held at the Clarence D. Rappleyea Building, White Plains, New York, at approximately 9:00 a.m.
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CHRISTINA LAKE, British Columbia — Police who uncovered two marijuana fields near the U.S.-Canada border had to tread carefully: 13 black bears were wandering around the crops.
The fields of about 2,300 plants were found near Christina Lake, just a few miles (kilometers) from the border.
Royal Candian Mounted Police Cpl. Dan Moskaluk says that when police arrived in the area two weeks ago, they discovered the bears and cautiously went about making the seizure.
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The property's two owners were arrested on charges of production and possession of a controlled substance.
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Hornet Football 2009 Outlook
Posted: September 28, 2009
August 28, 2009
Coming off the team's first losing season since 2004, the Delaware State Hornets look to regain the championship swagger the team had just two years ago. A belief in sports is that a team can sometimes learn more from a loss than a win. Last season, the Hornets suffered three losses of six points or less (two in Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference play) and will look to use those experiences to move to the top of the MEAC once again.
The Al Lavan era continues at DSU, entering its sixth season. Lavan (36-23 overall, 34-22 MEAC) returns 38 lettermen from a team that finished tied for second in the 2008 MEAC Standings. Lavan and the DSU coaching staff will have some key holes to fill, including the team's leading passer, leading rusher, leading receiver and four of the squad's top five leading tacklers from a year ago.
Overall, 11 starters (6 offense, 5 defense) return for Delaware State, including four of the team's five starting offensive linemen and five members of a defense unit that finished ranked No. 13 in the nation in total defense (288.36 ypg).
The Hornets will look to replace a four-year starter in Vashon Winton, who compiled a 33-14 record (25-6 MEAC) as DSU's quarterback. Anthony Glaud (6-3, 215, r-Jr) and Nick Elko (6-2, 200, r-Fr) will battle for the starting quarterback position.
Glaud has the most experience in the DSU huddle among the two quarterbacks, completing 47-of-75 pass attempts for 523 yards and two touchdowns last season. The Sicklerville, N.J., native compiled a 122.0 efficiency rating during his first season with the Hornets. Glaud had a solid spring, throwing for 120 yards on 8-of-11 passing, including one touchdown during the first half of the annual Red/White Spring Game. Elko, a highly-touted quarterback out of the state of Maryland, redshirted during the 2008 season and will use the knowledge gained last season towards making a major push to become the DSU starting signal caller. The Odenton, Md., product completed 8-of-18 passing for 66 yards in the spring.
Micah Brown (6-2, 200, Jr.) was returned to quarterback this summer after competing at linebacker in 2008.
Wide Receivers
The 2009 receiving corps returns three starters from last season, including Larrone Moore (6-0, 185, Jr) and Erick Jones (6-3, 200, r-Sr). Moore grabbed 32 passes for 319 yards and one touchdown. The team's fastest player, Moore averaged 29.0 yards-per-game and 10.0 yards-per-catch. For his career, Moore has tallied 471 yards on 45 receptions and one touchdown. Jones made 13 catches for 167 yards and a team-high four touchdowns. The Washington, D.C., native averaged 15.2 yards-per-game and 12.8 yards-per-catch. Moore has 17 catches for 202 yards and four touchdowns during his three seasons at DSU. Jones registered 84 receiving yards on four catches, including a touchdown during 2009 Spring Game. Zacharri Charles (5-11, 185, Sr) started the first eight games of the 2008 season before suffering an injury. The Winter Haven, Fla., native registered 13 catches for 122 yards, averaging 15.2 yards-per-game and 8.4 yards-per-catch.
Sophomore Darius Jackson (5-10, 185) will look to be in the mix this season. The Quincy, Fla., native recorded 18 catches for 300 yards and one touchdown during his first season at Delaware State. Jackson recorded a game-high six catches (63 yards) in the spring. Donnell Dixon (5-10, 175, r-Fr), Travis Tarpley (5-7, 170, r-Fr) and Justin Wilson (6-1, 160, r-Fr) will compete for playing time.
Tight Ends
The Hornets will look to replace tight end Jahmel Bashir (7 rec., 49 yds., 1 TD) with Barrington Tolliver (6-2, 230, r-Sr.) and newcomers Kristian Johnson (6-3, 255, Fr) and Ryan Langdon (6-4, 235, Fr). Tolliver was a wide receiver and special teams standout in 2008. Johnson and Langdon are products of Philadelphia, Pa., and are expected to make an immediate impact on the DSU passing game. Johnson joined the Delaware State roster as a mid-year signee and took part in the team's annual Red/White Spring Game. Langdon caught 14 passes for 272 yards during his senior year at Father Judge High School, earning Philadelphia All-Catholic League First Team selection and All-City Honorable Mention honors in 2008.
Running Backs
Delaware State will also be looking to fill the void left by the graduation of running backs Chris Strother (577 yards) and Kareem Jones (407 yards). Redshirt sophomore Jaashawn Jones (6-1, 225, r-So) and Jason Randall (5-11, 195, Jr) are poised to take over the role as starting tailback. Jones proved to be a key short-yardage back, scoring three touchdowns on 18 carries for 31 yards in 2008. Jones scored the go-ahead touchdown during the Hornet's 34-28 comeback victory over Norfolk State (Nov. 15, 2008). Randall appeared in four games last season as a reserve running back. The Bowie, Md., native averaged 4.2 yards-per-carry during this year's Red/White Spring Game.
The Hornets added Tahree McQueen (5-10, 200, r-So – transfer from Cincinnati) to bring more depth to the running back position. McQueen did not see action with the Bearcats, but comes to DSU as an offensive threat. McQueen was an AP all-state quarterback at Eastside HS in Paterson, N.J.
Newcomers Nick Williams (fr.) and James Rosseau (fr.) will also battle for playing time this season.
Offensive Line
The Hornets return three starters to the offensive line. Kellen Kemp (6-3, 315, Sr), Nick Richmond (6-3, 300, r-Sr) and Mike Maloney (6-6, 290, Sr) combined for 44 starts last season. The 2008 DSU offensive line guided Delaware State to 1,501 yards on the ground. The Hornets will be looking to replace 2008 Second Team All-MEAC selection Adrian Brown.
Seniors Steven Steinbacher (6-5, 295), Marcus Ponder (6-3, 330), junior Brandon Purnsley (6-3, 300) along with sophomores Thomas Threadgill (6-5, 275) and Nail Muradymov (6-7, 330) give Delaware State an extremely deep offensive line. The Hornets will have newcomers Aaron Boyd (6-5, 325, Fr) and Darryl Hicks (6-4, 300, Jr) in the mix.
Defensive Line
Despite the loss of Alimayo Wilder, Ronn Spinner, Jr., and Akiel Russell, the Delaware State defensive line has no shortage of talent and experience. Andre Caroll (6-2, 260, r-Jr), Fabian Dunn (6-4, 275, r-Sr), Tyron Hurst (6-2, 295, Sr) and Joe Mendes (5-11, 220, Sr) return for the Hornets. Caroll appeared in all 11 games (eight starts) last season, registering 43 total tackles (12 unassisted), including two tackles for loss. Dunn tallied 23 total tackles (13 unassisted) with 1.5 tackles for loss and one quarterback hurry in 11 contests. Hurst played in eight games (missing three due to injury), notching 10 total tackles (four unassisted) with four tackles for loss. Mendes led all Hornets with 3.5 sacks, recording 21 total tackles (11 unassisted) with three quarterback hurries.
Braheim Haywood (6-2, 250, r-Jr) and David Izebere (6-5, 285, r-Fr), along with newcomer George Bansah (6-1, 265, Fr) will join the fold.
The Hornets return starter Mike Gable (6-2, 210, r-Sr) to the linebacking corps this season. Gable, a converted defensive back, registered 40 total tackles (15 unassisted) with 6.5 tackles for loss. The Bel Air, Md., native also was credited with one forced fumble, his first-career interception and two quarterback hurries in 2008. DSU will look to fill the void left by the departure of middle linebacker Kevin Conner and Josh Pope. Conner led the Hornets with 95 total tackles, three fumble recoveries, one sack and four and one-half tackles for loss. Pope finished the 2008 season with 32 total tackles (15 unassisted) with two sacks and one forced fumble.
A group of talented linebackers will continue to provide depth, led by junior Quentin Ferguson (5-11, 190), senior Ahmad Harris (6-0, 230) and redshirt senior Eric Sewell (5-11, 245).
The Hornet coaching staff is hoping for contributions from Keith Hunt (6-0, 220, So.), Salahuddin Gadson (5-11, 225, r-So), John Sutton (6-1, 250, Jr), Marquis Spann (6-2, 200, So) and Aaron Richardson (6-1, 220, Fr).
Three of the four starting defensive backs return for the Hornets. Senior Avery Grant (6-0, 180) returns as the team's leading tackler and anchors a defensive backfield that ranked No. 5 in the nation in pass defense (143.18 ypg). Grant started at strong safety in 10 games last season, registering 68 total tackles (34 unassisted) with 8.5 tackles for loss. The Brooklyn, N.Y., native recorded two sacks along with one forced fumble and three pass breakups. Joining Grant in the defensive backfield will be free safety Jerome Strums (6-0, 190, r-Sr). Strums started every game for the Hornets in 2008, tallying 40 total tackles (20 unassisted). The Windsor, Conn., native picked off a team-high three passes last season, including the game-winning interception in overtime versus Florida A&M (Sept. 4, 2008). Also returning to the Delaware State defensive backfield will be cornerback Francis Adjei (6-2, 175, r-Jr). Adjei also picked off three passes with the second-best pass breakup total on the team last season (8). The Silver Spring, Md., product registered 40 total tackles (32 unassisted).
Gerald Bouknight (5-11, 190, Jr) and Greg Ligon (5-9, 180, r-Sr) are expected to battle for the final starting spot in this year's secondary. Bouknight appeared in nine games last season, registering three tackles and one pass breakup. Ligon did not see action in 2008 but has been a member of the Hornets since 2005.
B.J. Conely (5-8, 175, r-Sr), Calvin Miner (5-11, 185, So) and Tavis Tabb (6-2, 190, r-So) will battle for playing time this season.
Kicking Game
Redshirt senior Riley Flickinger (5-9, 240) returns for the second-straight season as the Hornets' place kicker. The Gresham, Ore., native converted 10-of-20 field goal attempts and averaged 56.0 yards-per-kickoff last year. Flickinger's 10 field goals were the fifth-most in a single season at Delaware State. The 5-foot-9 senior also converted 24-of-25 extra point attempts in 2008.
Senior Nick Lochner (6-1, 160) enters his second season as DSU's punter. One of the top punters in the MEAC, Lochner averaged 39.2 yards-per-punt. The Webster, N.Y., native registered 54 punts for 2,118 yards with 22 punts placed inside the 20-yard line. With 12 50(+)-yard punts, Lochner finished the 2008 season with the fourth-best punting average at DSU in a single season (39.2).
Kick/Punt Returns
DSU returns its top two return men from last season. Larrone Moore and Zacharri Charles led all Hornets in kick returns as Moore averaged 21.8 yards-per-return and Charles averaged 20.8 yards-per-return. Moore returned six kicks for 131 yards and a long of 60 yards. Charles made a team-best 16 kick returns for 332 yards and a long of 40 yards. Entering the fray will be Darius Jackson, who will look to give the Hornets a variety of options in the return game.
Charles will also be looked upon to be the main punt returner in 2009. Charles returned three punts last season for 20 yards and will look to fill the hole left by the departure of Brandon Hudson (13 returns for 112 yards).
The Schedule
The Hornets began the 2009 season with a Sept. 5 trip to Tallahassee, Fla., where they lost 21-12 to the Florida A&M Rattlers. In the first MEAC opening season in the DSU career of Head Coach Al Lavan, the Hornets were competitive but were plagued by costly mental errors throughout the game. There were, however, several positives -- including DSU quarterback Anthony Glaud's completion of 17 of 32 passes for 188 yards and one 30-yard touch down pass to Sacharri Charles.
Following an open date, the Hornets will then travel to Newark, Del., for an historic regular-season battle on Sept. 19 with the University of Delaware Blue Hens. DSU will host a Hornets Fan Center from 9:30 to 11:30 a.m. on the practice field adjacent to the UD Stadium.
The Week Three game will be the first-ever, regular-season meeting between the state's two Division I schools. DSU and UD met for the first time in 2007, facing each other in the first round of the FCS Playoffs (Nov. 23, 2007). The Blue Hens finished last season with a 4-8 record (2-6 CAA).
DSU continues its three-game road swing to start the season with a Sept. 26 game at Hampton. The Hornets will be looking to avenge a 17-14 loss to the Pirates last season (Oct. 4, 2008) at Alumni Stadium. Hampton (6-5, 5-3 MEAC last year) will host Delaware State in the 35th-meeting all-time between the two schools and the first-ever with new HU Head Coach Donovan Rose.
Delaware State's home opener will take place on Oct. 10 as the Hornets host the Bethune-Cookman Wildcats. Coming off a 26-20 win in Daytona Beach, Fla., last season (Oct. 11, 2008), the Hornets own a 20-13 advantage in the all-time series history with B-CU. DSU has won four-straight against Bethune-Cookman. B-CU finished 8-3 (5-3 MEAC) last year.
DSU hits the road the following week, traveling to Ann Arbor, Mich., in the team's first-ever meeting with the Michigan Wolverines (Oct. 17). With a capacity of 106,201 Michigan Stadium will be the site of the largest crowd to ever witness a Delaware State football game. Michigan is coming off a 3-9 record (2-6 Big Ten) in 2008. The game will mark DSU's first-ever game with a member of the Big Ten Conference.
Morgan State is Delaware State's opponent for Homecoming 2009. The Hornets host the Bears on Oct. 24 and will look to rebound from a 20-3 loss at Morgan State last year (Oct. 25, 2008). MSU holds a 28-22 edge in the series history with Delaware State winning three of the last four meetings.
The Hornets return to the road for a two-game swing away from Alumni Stadium, starting with an Oct. 31 outing at South Carolina State (10-3, 8-0 MEAC in 2008). The defending MEAC Champions downed DSU last season (23-17 on Nov. 1) and hold a 23-15 advantage in the series history. A week later, Delaware State will travel to Winston-Salem, N.C., to take on Winston-Salem State (Nov. 7). The Hornets own a 4-3-1 record versus the Rams, following last season's 27-26 loss on Nov. 8, 2008. The last meetings two between DSU and WSSU have been decided by a combined four points.
Two-straight home games close out the 2009 season. On Nov. 14, the Norfolk State Spartans come to Dover. DSU has won six-straight games versus NSU, including last season's 34-28 comeback victory at Dick Price Stadium (Nov. 15, 2008). The Hornets trailed by 21-points late in the first half before rallying for a six-point win over the Spartans. The Hornets close out the year with their traditional meeting with the Howard Bison on Nov. 21. Last season, DSU defeated Howard, 10-6, on Nov. 22, 2008. During the game, DSU forced a season-high six turnovers en route to the team's fifth conference win of the year. The Hornets have faced the Bison more than any other MEAC school (DSU leads 35-30-1).


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The poet Christian Wiman was on our list for many moons, but his interview with Bill Moyers prompted us to schedule him for this show. A must-watch.
The poet Christian Wiman is giving voice to the hunger for faith — and the challenges of faith — for people living now. After a Texas upbringing soaked in a history of violence and a charismatic Christian culture, he was agnostic until he became actively religious again in his late 30s. Then he was diagnosed with a rare form of incurable blood cancer. He's bearing witness to something new happening in himself and in the world.
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is a poet and editor of Poetry magazine. He's the author of several volumes of poetry including Every Riven Thing.
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Read and listen to all the poems recited by Christian Wiman during Krista's interview — and few of them not included in the show. Enjoy, then share them with others:
» And I Said To My Soul, Be Loud
» Every Riven Thing
» For D.
» From a Window
» Hammer Is the Prayer
» It Takes Particular Clicks
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» This Mind of Dying
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To be alive spiritually is to feel the ultimate anxiety of existence within the trivial anxieties of everyday life.
An essay to wake you up. Wiman tells the tense story of growing up in West Texas and his friend's hunting accident, which might've been his own. He writes about about faith with an intellectual edge and dry tone that is anything but dull.
In this moving personal essay, Mr. Wiman traces three events in his life — "each shattering in his own way" — how his Christian faith and existential anxiety have shaped his imagination.
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A young man keeps his head above water as he looks on at the shoreline and trees.
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Poetry as powerful as urinary proteins asserting "I AM/WAS HERE!" If only I could preach with such soul!
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Fantastic show. I've listened to the podcast 4 times already. I completely resonate with the sentiments expressed here by Christian Wiman and Krista. I grew up in a very conservative Christian culture and attended a Christian Bible College. I have found that the Christian culture I grew up with is not very realistic or helpful. I even tried being an atheist for 30 days and found that just as religious as the Christian culture I was trying to dismiss. I too am working on re-defining what being a Christian means for me today. On Being is a source of inspiration and hope.
It's been a long hard day, and a long hard week, and so it was a blessing to just sit with my dog, my cats, and my cup of tea and listen to your show with Christian Wiman. How lovely. So much beauty. And his reading of his poem "Every Riven Thing" at the end was truly glorious. thank you.
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I loved the interview with poet, essayist and editor-- Christian Wiman. I had a similar spiritual childhood. I am Episcopalian now instead of Southern Baptist. I am a painter and a poet also. Let Christian know that I hung on every word of that he and Krista spoke. I am a subscriber to "Poetry" magazine and have read all of Christian's essays and I love his poetry as well. Krista, keep inspiring and shining! The world needs your inner light. Here is one of my poems and I have also attached one of my paintings. Peace be always with you! Sincerely yours, Gari Hatch
"Who Brushes Here"
The soul, it travels slanted ways,
where spates of light descend the days.
Between the space that opens clear,
it shutters on the tables veneer.
Stodgy, stilted, a seizure provoked,
then all at once, moving smooth and cloaked.
Sputtering spirit spilling surprise,
hallow, haloed, with a beams disguise.
Abrupt, erupt, a rabid fling,
then soothing as grace in heavens sling.
Entities spanning the particle rays,
who brushes here, who are these strays?
Gari Hatch
Wiman creates a vivid imagery that describes the differences between the main stream notion of faith and religion and his understanding of a more subtle and less complex experience. I empathized with his comment about missing the intensity of religion that he used to experience before his revived faith later in his life. The shattering of his former ideas of faith create a personal experience of what breaking religious myth looks like after we challenge what we thought we knew.
I can't help but wonder what Wiman believes happens at the time of death. He mentions that he does not share the common belief in heaven. Other On Being guests have asserted similar ideas. Could the heaven that people wait for, be the heaven that are participating in currently as suggested in the bible and other religious texts. Poetry may be one of the few ways to convey the abstract and ungraspable messages that are solidified in religion and faith. I enjoyed the interview and the ideas that Wiman shared.
Wiman creates a vivid imagery that describes the differences between the main stream notion of faith and religion and his understanding of a more subtle and less complex experience. I empathized with his comment about missing the intensity of religion that he used to experience before his revived faith later in his life. The shattering of his former ideas of faith create a personal experience of what breaking religious myth looks like after we challenge what we thought we knew.
I cant help but wonder what Wiman believes happens at the time of death. He mentions that he does not share the common belief in heaven. Other On Being guests have asserted similar ideas. Could the heaven that people wait for, be the heaven that are participating in currently as suggested in the bible and other religious texts. Poetry may be one of the few ways to convey the abstract and ungraspable messages that are solidified in religion and faith. I enjoyed the interview and the ideas that Wiman shared.
I found many this podcast of "Remembering God" with Christian Wiman quite interesting. It was interesting when Wiman was defining his meaning of faith and beliefs. "The way I've defined it to myself is I think of belief as having objects. Faith doesn't have objects. Faith is an orientation of your life or it's an energy of your life or however you want to define it. But I think it is objectless." The way Wiman puts it, I would agree and understand why because like he mentioned, faith is by actions and I would say with trust. As for beliefs it is as having objects, such as having something to hope for. I really liked his take on it.
Another thing I liked that Christian Wiman said was, "I am convinced that the same God that might call me to sing of God at one time might call me at another to sing of godlessness. Sometimes when I think of all this energy that's going on, all of these different people trying to find some way of naming and sharing their belief — I think it may be the case that God calls some people to unbelief in order that faith can take new forms." I felt that this does speak to me. What I'm getting from that quote is that God calls everyone differently and in different ways even if it's unbelief. Whichever one it is, the way I see it is that either way, our faith will take new forms since faith is of having actions and trust. However, it's not always going to be of actions since there is doubt. With that being said I think that, faith comes and go and when it does it takes a new form.
I truly enjoyed listening to the broadcast, "Remembering God" with the poet Christian Wiman concerning faith and its involvement in his own life. Many things were discussed that sparked my interest including the connectedness of faith and love, the difference between belief and faith, and the modern day idea of faith.
Wiman and Krista Tippett talked about how true love increases our awareness of transcendence and mystery. Not just romantic love, but love for our family and friends as well. The overwhelming feeling of love demands to be expressed beyond our means of expressing it, transforming into excess energy that is in fact the essence of God. With this increased awareness our spirituality can flourish, inviting faith into our lives. Religion is what we make of these intense times of spirituality. While belonging to a certain religion does not necessarily mean agreeing with everything that particular religion says, it rather means acknowledging incredible moments in your life of joy or suffering and demanding action to express it and share it with others. As in love, the intense feeling is not always present with faith, yet its constant presence is not necessary (or realistic) in spiritual growth.
The idea that faith and belief are words that mean completely different things was also discussed. Wiman has written "Faith is not a state of mind but an action in the world, a movement towards the world." He expresses the idea that belief is having objects while faith is an orientation of your life, an energy of your life that is object less. Many people need religious elements in their life such as church attendance to project their spiritual energy outward. In his opinion, the way we know our spiritual inclinations are valid is because they lead out of ourselves.
Wiman expressed multiple ideas in relation to faith in the present day and its impact on our lives. Many people today are given the opportunity to choose their own spiritual and religious path, inviting them to actively seek a way to find God with others. Traditional religious language is evolving to include many religions and practices creating new forms of expression. As a culture, we are looking to grasp a sense of religion and spirituality that encompasses clarity as well as openness to engage the parts of us that are beyond our understanding. The intriguing question was brought up, "How do we reach for God in the midst of this life when we are constantly being overwhelmed by life?" Wiman believes the inability to have a close connection with God is a result of us being too involved with ourselves as a person and not with our soul. In terms of doubt in relation to faith, Wiman believes it is not separate from but actually a part of faith. He asserts that God calls some people to unbelief so that faith can take on new forms.
Overall, this was a very powerful and thought-provoking broadcast that invites the listener to question how faith fits into their own life.
With the statement, "its God in us, trying to get back to its source" I was intrigued. If we and everything else in existence was created by God, could this all be constructed by God itself? Would it not make sense that the part of God in us wants to be directly connected to the rest of this being? When he says that statement, he is implying that we have a natural inclination to search for God, but he does not restrict how we can conduct this search. He has friends that find it through the Bible, and he says some find it through speaking with others, but none of it is wrong. This is a respectable way to look at it.
He also speaks about God being something we cannot come to understand on our own, but rather needs an outside source. If I understand his statements correctly, love can be this outside source, or connection. This is very interesting as love is a powerful and inexplicable emotion, and nearly anything can come from a reaction to it.
This was a very interesting show, and I enjoyed it very much. I really like how he does not limit what God could be, or how we could interact with it. Keeping an open mind while trying to understand something that is beyond understanding would seem to be a requirement.
I found it interesting how Christian Wiman describes that he believes that God turns people into unbelievers so the faith of God can come in a new form. I think it is important not to look at faith or religion forcefully; it should come naturally in time. Also, it seems to be a different world now with religion and Christianity where there are so many non-believers. The solitude and wholeness of Christianity seems to be fading. When people look back on their childhood, religion isn't such a big part of one's memory. The aspects of everyday lives were surrounded by having faith and staying strong. As Christian Wilman describes about how poetry faded for him because he had false expectations, this reminded me of religion and what people search for within a religion. Spirituality doesn't have absolute clarity; a person must have faith simply in faith. Faith is more of a part of you and, as Christian Wilman describes, it is an energy that is with you. More people seem to be lost with religion and left with so many questions and now there is a new language and form being created. The aspects of how religions and religious aspects are categorized into such define concepts are being blurred into a bigger picture. Furthermore, I liked how Christian Wilman describes that Christ comes alive in communion between people and how just communication of religion and life can stabilize you in the unstable world. Moreover, I really enjoyed relating faith with the feeling of love and how it can be so fierce and absolute in the beginning and sometimes slowly fades until you realize there is no more faith or love anymore. One must cycle through the process to truly realize. Also, Christian Wiman describes that life is full of the past and ideas of the future and present isn't really there. I do think that the past defines us. Moreover, the idea of heaven tends to planted in our minds that it is hard not to think of heaven in our afterlife. Although, it is so planted in everyone, I do think that the concept of heaven varies greatly with our imagination as Christian Wiman describes. Overall, Chrisitian Wiman dedicated his life to poetry and faith with God while finding love with the ones he cared dearly for. Amber Lyrek
Remembering God
I found it interesting how Christian Wiman describes that he believes that God turns people into unbelievers so the faith of God can come in a new form. I think it is important not to look at faith or religion forcefully; it should come naturally in time. Also, it seems to be a different world now with religion and Christianity where there are so many non-believers. The solitude and wholeness of Christianity seems to be fading. When people look back on their childhood, religion isn't such a big part of one's memory. The aspects of everyday lives were surrounded by having faith and staying strong. As Christian Wilman describes about how poetry faded for him because he had false expectations, this reminded me of religion and what people search for within a religion. Spirituality doesn't have absolute clarity; a person must have faith simply in faith. Faith is more of a part of you and, as Christian Wilman describes, it is an energy that is with you. More people seem to be lost with religion and left with so many questions and now there is a new language and form being created. The aspects of how religions and religious aspects are categorized into such define concepts are being blurred into a bigger picture.
Furthermore, I liked how Christian Wilman describes that Christ comes alive in communion between people and how just communication of religion and life can stabilize you in the unstable world. Moreover, I really enjoyed relating faith with the feeling of love and how it can be so fierce and absolute in the beginning and sometimes slowly fades until you realize there is no more faith or love anymore. One must cycle through the process to truly realize. Also, Christian Wiman describes that life is full of the past and ideas of the future and present isn't really there. I do think that the past defines us. Moreover, the idea of heaven tends to planted in our minds that it is hard not to think of heaven in our afterlife. Although, it is so planted in everyone, I do think that the concept of heaven varies greatly with our imagination as Christian Wiman describes. Overall, Chrisitian Wiman dedicated his life to poetry and faith with God while finding love with the ones he cared dearly for.
Amber Lyrek
I so appreciate your words in
I so appreciate your words in the Journal Star today. The oienpng up of yourself and your faith for all the world (well, all of Lincoln) to see. I think I find myself unwavering in some areas and wrestling in others. It used to bother me...the wrestling. And then I would remember that story about Jacob and how he would not back down against GOD (of all people) until he got what he wanted. And in the end, Jacob came away with a new name and (quite literally) a new way of walking. And so I just keep limping along on my journey of unwavering faith in a God who welcomes my wrestling and questioning mind.
In this week's episome Wiman said something about someone (Hamer, I think) who said something about how today the self has taken the place of the soul. Who was he referencing? Are there any books or articles you could steer me towards?
Love you show--thank you for doing what yall do!
Take care
Jon Little
Hi Jon, I checked with
Hi Jon, I checked with Christian Wiman, and the poet he was referencing is named Fanny Howe - here's her profile at the Poetry Foundation's website, including a bibliography: http://www.poetryfoundation.org/bio/fanny-howe
I find it profoundly sad
I find it profoundly sad whenever I hear of someone who broke free of established religion as a young person and resolved to think independently, only to fall back into the same old prescribed patterns later in life. Sometimes the proximal cause is getting married or having children and caving to the social or family expectations for baptism, church ceremonies, etc. Other times it is the approach of death, and the fear of it, that prompt a return to superstition/religion. Then the intellectual independence goes out the window. That is why I find the philosopher David Hume so inspiring - his religious friends converged on his deathbed to gloat over his death-bed conversion - but it didn't come, and he had the last laugh.
Can you have a show about maintaining spiritual and intellectual independence from religion later in life, in the face of social pressures and the proximity of death? That would be truly inspiring and of great relevance to the growing number of young people who are staking out their independence from religion and might be tempted by backsliding in a few years time? Thank you.
I agree with you 100%. During
I agree with you 100%. During the piece I felt that Christian Wilman was backing into atheism but could never admit to it, even though his searching did appear to be heartfelt. He focused on missing the intensity of religious very much, but also talk a lot about being honest about reality. He doesn't believe in the Christian idea of heaven, but astutely avoided talking about a belief, or lack of belief in God. Interesting but ultimately unsatisfying.
Until I at last see your
Until I at last see your comment, which it make me glad to find island of reason in ocean of empty talk, it was also sad to read all other comments. Just like the lady who make interview with the man in the program they are not interested in what is true and reality. They just want the feeling of "love" and "meaning" that they think "faith" illusion give them. Also we see how strong is poison of religion propaganda on the dear children and Stockholm syndrom effect: The man go back to religion of childhood that hold him like a hostage in a violent life. It is like wife go back to husband who beat her.
What was the most important for David Hume? Truth and the reality! It is sign of the true greatest thinker like also Nietzsche, Marx, Bertrand Russell, Albert Einstein and Richard Feynman. Thanks these great intellects people in avanced countries like Sweden, and peoples in eastern Europe especially thanks Marx, are free from opium of religion! Today we have Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris and Stephen Hawking. They are great intellects who can be on one show you wish "about maintaining spiritual and intellectual independence from religion" not only later in life but any time in life!
I join you to wish to have this one show. Will it ever happen? Doubt is very strong but we must also have "Faith"! ;-)
I think intellectual
I think intellectual independence (if there is such a thing) would drive a consistent, honest atheist or agnostic to despair. That may be why this isn't a show about maintaining spiritual and intellectual independence from religion in the face of social pressures and approaching death. Feeling oneself independent of what some think of as coping mechanisms is a cheap thrill in the face of meaninglessness, don't you think? I don't know what Hume had to laugh about.
Isnpiring. My perpetual
Isnpiring. My perpetual inner doubter responds with outstretched arms. My inner believer responds with outstretched mind. We grapple and grasp; the struggle for our own inner peace.Wonderful!
all one
the past and future infinite
the present nothing
So much to ponder! it was a
So much to ponder! it was a soulful show. Who is Fanny Howard? I think there was a great truth in confusing self with soul.
Christian Wiman took me to places that were once alive but forgotten. Thank you.
This show is my weekly
This show is my weekly "spiritual facial" or cleansing. After a full week of feeling brutalized by popular culture, the consistent human disappointments at work and out in the World at large, the societal duldrums and constant feelings of "is this it??" or "what is this anyway?", this show always resets my internal clock somehow making me feel grounded/connected again, if only temporarily.
I do not pretend to
I do not pretend to understand such wondrous things, but the likelihood that man created God explains things far better than how I was taught in my Baptist church as a child. This of course in no way should imply that God isn't real because he does live, he lives within my heart.
I therefore now explain my soul as my Self. Or more to the point, the story I have created for myself. That my story includes God, faith and prayer is something I would wish for everyone but preach to no one. This level of consciousness is Reality. Even if it is mine alone.
I love the way your mind
I love the way your mind weaves, in and out, picking up stitches, dropping others, bread crumbs along your path, creating something beautiful, a bowl to hold other's understanding or others forming one's own weaving. Perhaps at one point ever so long ago we shared the same parents. My mother told me her grandmother's name was Vroman here in Southern California in the late 1800s.
Great subject of choice,
Great subject of choice, reaching out to topics once thought of as taboo, are now
The talk of scholars as well as the open minded laymen Thank you very much.
Translated by B.Z. Bokser
Translated by B.Z. Bokser from the Hebrew essay "The Pangs of Cleansing" by R. Abraham Isaac Kook (early 1900's)
The tendency of unrefined people to see the divine essence as embodied only in words and in letters(scripture) is a source of embarrassment to humanity, and atheism arises as a pained outcry to liberate man from this narrow and alien pit, to raise him from the darkness of focusing on letters and expressions, to the light of thought and feeling, finally to place his primary focus on the realm of morals... in the ruins wrought by atheism will the higher knowledge of God erect her Temple. In place of the presumptuous and vain preoccupation with divine essence the human heart will be oriented to concern itself with pure morality and the heroism for higher things...Whoever recognizes the essence of atheism from this perspective embraces the positive element in it and traces it back to its origins in holiness. ( please forgive any clumsy paraphrasing) Paulist Press 1978
God calls people to disbelief
God calls people to disbelief so that faith can take a new form"
James Joyce called this the "monomyth," Christians death and resurrection, Adonis, Persephone…what am I missing here? I suppose Jung would call it an archetype.
Picasso said:
Every act of creation is preceded by an act of destruction.
This, to me, is the beginning of all wisdom. It is the starting point!
Christian's friend Meister Eckhart also said:
Man's greatest leave taking is to leave God to find god.
Christian speaks highly of the solace of a group, a community, a church, a practice.
Schopenhauer said:
If something is repeated time and again without contradiction, it becomes truth be it true or not.
We become what we practice. Every organized religion knows and implements this axiom.
Christian, I, too, have been close to death twice in my life, once thirty years ago in a car wreck (6 weeks in intensive care). And 4 years ago I survived the "widow maker." In both incidents I was proclaimed officially dead. That given, I don't think Wallace Stephens is full of crap. Quite frankly death for me was just "the next thing." I came out of the experiences loving life more and fearing death less.
John Donne said it well:
Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind;
and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
it tolls for thee.
And so, after seeing life through the "lens of death," twice, it has changed the way I see the world. And since we share a love of poetry, I will leave you with some verse that has guided me:
The Layers
Stanley Kunitz
I have walked through many lives,
some of them my own,
and I am not who I was,
though some principle of being
abides, from which I struggle not to stray.
When I look behind,
as I am compelled to look
before I can gather strength
to proceed on my journey,
I see the milestones dwindling
toward the horizon
and the slow fires trailing
from the abandoned camp-sites,
over which scavenger angels
wheel on heavy wings.
Oh, I have made myself a tribe
out of my true affections,
and my tribe is scattered!
How shall the heart be reconciled
to its feast of losses?
In a rising wind
the manic dust of my friends,
those who fell along the way,
bitterly stings my face.
yet I turn, I turn,
exulting somewhat,
with my will intact to go
wherever I need to go,
and every stone on the road
precious to me.
In my darkest night,
when the moon was covered
and I roamed through wreckage,
a nimbus-clouded voice
directed me:
"Live in the layers,
not on the litter."
Though I lack the art
to decipher it,
no doubt the next chapter
in my book of transformations
is already written,
I am not done with my changes.
This next one is by a poet/singer/songwriter named Bill Morrissey:
This ain't Hollywood
it never really gets that good
Call it love if you think you should
no need to explain
Tonight it's just you and me
a furnished room, black & white TV
the late movie runs till 3
and it's just you & me again
with no work just a lot of talk
I quit drinking now I watch the clock
I count the minutes in the stars
till the sun crowns up again
and you won't leave soon because I know
you're just like me with no place to go
and there's a love still hear & nothings died
it just got hurt and buried deep inside
Now this ain't Hollywood
it ain't Venice or Malibu
nothing like I promised you
when we set off years ago
you're waiting tables from one till nine
I fill out forms and stand in line
no work just a waste of time
and every day's the same
you're home later each night I see
I fix dinner while you talk to me
and then we wait for the late movie
to take us away again
and you won't leave soon because I know
you're just like me with no place to go
no place to go it's just a matter of time
to find somewhere it's just a matter of time
Now this ain't Hollywood
it never really gets that good
call it love if you think you should
no need to explain
~Bill Morrissey
Some will surely find this song sad. You seem to like the word reality. This verse to me is about reality and how we deal with it. It is about love…real love.
A freind shared this site w
A friend shared this site w/me as I tackle almost daily struggles due to health issues. TY for the thoughtful prose presnted here.
Loved hearing Christian read
Loved hearing Christian read his poems (and quote memorized poetry by others...a disappearing art!). I'd read some of his poems before, soon after his book came out, and I admit didn't quite connect with them then...probably because I didn't spend enough time with them and was hearing them (and him) wrong. Then again, while there's plenty of poetry that feels more like itself when read in silence and in the space of your mind/heart, some poetry just comes to life--almost like a shock--when read aloud. I found Every Riven Thing to be an almost completely different poem when I heard it. It was resounding. Thanks for putting this show together...I so appreciated Christian's authenticity, thoughtfulness, and lack of self-importance. I regret that he's no longer the editor of Poetry as I think the world of poetry, which has been so crammed into an academic ghetto (granted, it's the only place that seems to have the power to 'protect' it...maybe...) truly needs more people like him shaping it.
I listened to a podcast with
I listened to a podcast with poet Christian Wimam, who is currently teaching at Yale divinity School, and suffering for an incurable blood cancer. During the interview Krista and Christian discussed their spiritual / religious upbring. Christian who grew up in West Texas in a deeply religious baptist , but violent family( He's mother watched her father shoot and kill her mother and then he shot himself.) discusses he's overall view on faith in todays society.
Christian starts out talking about faith and how it has taken on new forms. His thoughts are that some people need to unbelieve, and find their own religious path. This is what happened to him. "Doubt is part of faith can't be separated to sing of God, might sing of Godlessness." Christian went off to college and become agnostic, but in his later years he turned back to God which remained latent since childhood. He's return to faith was because of finding and falling in love. "Love can open up the world in different ways." Christian resided a poem: "The more he love me, the more I love the world." With finding true love he said he found God again. "God is in us trying to return to the source/faith. Christian goes on to talk about how in todays society we deflected the questions of the souls into the questions of ourselves. We created a society / culture for others, not ourselves. (facebook, twitter) We tend to work on structuring ourselves on the top, rather than the foundation of who we are.
Now with faced with his own mortality , and the notion that knowing your time is coming to an end makes your life more beautiful, is a load of crap. He talks about how still it's hard to imagine his own death, and is still unsure of the afterlife. He believes that there is a new faith coming. We are discovering a new language of faith and the forms we are expressing this through is becoming more about openness then following rules. Christian hopes for a middle ground religion with elements of spirituality, art, and understanding.
I really connected with Christians view that we are overwhelmed by our lives that we don't have time to focus on the purpose of our lives. This for me is the greatest paradox of all!
Christian wiman the writer of
Christian wiman the writer of my bright abyss , Christians mother at the age of 14 watched her mother get shot by her father who then turned the gun on himself, and had to raise him. he was diagnosed with cancer in his 30's and I can really relate to him in this sence, I have a rare autoimmune disease that can turn into lucimia and when he is talking about being not poetic but afraid and he also talks about praying and meditating and falling into dispare and I can really relate, I have had a long life of problems that could lead any man to doubt his faith , but I have found my faith gets stronger as I fall into medical issues and it sounds like wiman does aswell. and I am not a poet but I read the story. and his story is a truly inspiring symbolof faith even though he did doubt.
when you really think about
when you really think about it, this guy had it extremely rough and still managed to make a success out of his life. I mean he has lost both of hi parents and not only did he lose his parents but they were both killed by his father, wow and then from there he gets lucimia. but he still becomes a poet (writting about very depressing things) but still this guy did the best with the hand that he was dealt, and the fact that his faith was not completely deminished by this is asstounding
wow this guy has had a hard
wow this guy has had a hard life, with a lot of disasters and trials i mean lucimia, man that sucks take it from me that really sucks, but still this guy pours out his emotion onto paper. like a true poet and his emotion does still include his doubt but still he does the best with what he was given and that is inspirational, especially to me. Really I am surprised that he didnt doubt more. I have gone through chemo therapy myself and i
i tell you it sucks, the tiredness the achey feeling the weakness, its not fun. but thats the point being a servant of god is supposed to be hard and painful sometimes thats why we need faith. good job christian you are truelly inspirational.
one thing iI was always told
one thing iI was always told growing up is "no matter how bad you have it someone else still has it worse". now how on earth is that supposed to make me feel better?, seriously i mean its not a competition that i want to win exactly, and how exactly is someone elses suffering supposed to make me feel better? really? wow. but now whenever i see someone who has clearly had it rough I do respect them more and l see it more like a test of faith than a problem now. so keep it up
let me tell you something as
let me tell you something as long as everything is going our way it is easy to say its because of god but when things go bad we tend to blame god. but why? what good can come of it seriously. when things dont go our way we reject the creator.who is the only one who can do anything about it, that doesnt make scence , i can tell you from experience when you have nothing else , its amazing how much faith you can have, and i think that christian is an example of that
I concur wholeheartedly.
I concur wholeheartedly. There is a sense of bitterness that I believe is human nature for us to fall into, whenever something seemingly negative happens in our lives. However I know, that God can use these trials and tribulations for God, to teach us numerous lessons in our lives. When our faith wavers it is important to remind ourselves of the hope that is given to us by a God who loved us so much that he sent his Son to Earth so that we, who are cleansed by the blood, might live with him eternally
Having been raised in a
Having been raised in a Christian atmosphere, being a pastor's child, the ideas that these individuals struggled with resonated with me immensely. Wiman speaks of his experiences and tough things that he went through, which cause him to doubt. He described this in such a way pertaining to joy and sorrow and how he is moved to feel. I believe that this is strongly correlated with his own doubts and thoughts about God. He speaks of how he has/does feel moments of godlessness, but does not believe that that is a bad thing. As Christians, Christian and Krista discuss the idea of having those doubts making clear that that lacking of faith is part of the Christian journey.
This really spoke to me in terms of my own walk with God. I find myself time and time again struggling with the idea of my faith, doubting God wondering if he will ever intercede on my behalf. When I heard these two adults who are seemingly mature in their walks with God and understandings of theology speak of their own struggles, I was comforted. Here are these two individuals who are discussing that doubting is even part of mature faith. Faith is not something that can be entirely mastered and that was made clear by Christian and Krista. In my own journey, this is something that I found unbelievably important to become aware of.
so many
upon my tongue
A call to certainty and
A call to certainty and questioning the whole of history!
The first wholly new interpretation for two thousand years of the moral teachings of Christ has been published. Radically different from anything else we know of from theology or history, this new teaching is predicated upon the 'promise' of a precise, predefined, predictable and repeatable experience of transcendent omnipotence and called 'the first Resurrection' in the sense that the Resurrection of Jesus was intended to demonstrate Gods' willingness to reveal Himself and intervene directly into the natural world for those obedient to His Command, paving the way for access to the power of divine Will and ultimate proof as the justification of faith.
Thus 'faith' becomes an act of trust in action, the search along a defined path of strict self discipline, [a test of the human heart] to discover His 'Word' of a direct individual intervention into the natural world by omnipotent power that confirms divine will, law, command and covenant, which at the same time, realigns our mortal moral compass with the Divine, "correcting human nature by a change in natural law, altering biology, consciousness and human ethical perception beyond all natural evolutionary boundaries." Thus is a man 'created' in the image and likeness of his Creator.
So like it or no, and many won't, a new religious teaching, a wisdom not of human intellectual origin, empirical, transcendent, determinist, testable by faith, meeting all Enlightenment criteria of evidence based causation and definitive proof now exists. Nothing short of an intellectual, moral and religious/spiritual revolution is getting under way. To test or not to test, that is the question? More info at