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Debates of Oct. 10th, 1996
House of Commons Hansard #85 of the 35th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was israel.
- Government Response To Petitions
- Co-Operatives
- Committees Of The House
- Royal Canadian Mounted Police Act
- Committees Of The House
- Petitions
- Committees Of The House
- Questions On The Order Paper
- Canada-Israel Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
- Bankruptcy And Insolvency Act
- Canadian Food Inspection Agency Act
- Fanshawe College
- The Municipality Of Laterrière
- Canadian Wheat Board
- Employment Benefits
- The Brome Lake Duck Festival
- Jeanette Dean
- Veterans Park
- Community Organizations
- The Debt
- Canada-Portugal Friendship Group
- Mental Illness Awareness Week
- World Mental Health Day
- Goods And Services Tax
- Liberal Members
- Ethanol
- The Deficit
- The Economy
- The Deficit
- Canadian Armed Forces
- Income Taxes
- Minister Of Intergovernmental Affairs
- Canada Post
- Ethics
- The Minister Of Indian Affairs
- Agriculture
- Banff National Park
- Canada Pension Plan
- Mr. Trân Trieû Quân
- Justice
- Presence In Gallery
- Business Of The House
- Canadian Food Inspection Agency Act
- Oceans Act
- The Manganese-Based Fuel Additives Act
- Hazardous Materials
Canadian Food Inspection Agency Act
Government Orders
1:55 p.m.
The Speaker
My colleague, I see that you are right in the middle of your speech. Rather than cut you off in about a minute and a half, I thought I would let you take up right after question period. You will have a full three minutes then.
It being 2 p.m., we will now proceed to Statements by Members.
Fanshawe College
Statements By Members
1:55 p.m.
Pat O'Brien London—Middlesex, ON
Mr. Speaker, Fanshawe College is an excellent community college located in my riding of London-Middlesex.
In September a team of their student chefs represented Canada at the 1996 International Culinary Olympics in Berlin. They competed against 30 teams from around the world and won a silver medal for Canada.
Congratulations to the six student chefs: Nicholas Burrell, Julie de Vroomen, Chris Haynes, Brad Hirtzel, Adrien Melillo and
Ashley Millis. Congratulations to their coaches, Peter Greuel and Steven Evetts and to the project manager, Kirk Patterson.
These young people are a credit to themselves, to Fanshawe College, to the city of London and to Canada. Well done. We are very proud of you and we look forward to sampling your cooking in the near future.
The Municipality Of Laterrière
Statements By Members
1:55 p.m.
André Caron Jonquière, QC
Mr. Speaker, the municipality of Laterrière has just celebrated the 150th anniversary of its founding.
This celebration provided a great opportunity to showcase its natural, cultural and historical assets. Designed as a series of historical vignettes set in various locations throughout the municipality, the original play "La tournée folle du grand brûlé" brought part of its history back to life.
The celebrations ended October 6 with the blessing of a statue in honour of Laterrière's founder, Father Jean-Baptiste Honorat.
The municipality of Laterrière was hard hit by the Saguenay floods. Remembering its history reassures us about this courageous community's ability to meet this new challenge.
Canadian Wheat Board
Statements By Members
1:55 p.m.
Jake Hoeppner Lisgar—Marquette, MB
Mr. Speaker, the agriculture minister has yet again demonstrated that he has absolutely no direction for western Canadian grain farmers.
On the one hand he demonstrates solid support for the single desk monopoly of the Canadian Wheat Board by closing loopholes in the Customs Act while on the other allowing it to self-destruct by its lack of accountability and transparency.
This minister has shown he is prepared to prosecute farmers in order to prevent them from accessing niche markets that the board will not service. At the same time he allows the board to circumvent its own act by directing selected farmers to end users who pay huge bonuses outside the pooling system.
In my opinion, if a violation of the Canadian Wheat Board Act is punishable by jail for farmers, then so should the same punishment apply to wheat board officials.
But then, we have a Liberal government that protects criminals while ignoring the rights of its victims.
Employment Benefits
Statements By Members
1:55 p.m.
Len Taylor The Battlefords—Meadow Lake, SK
Mr. Speaker, yesterday while appearing before the finance committee the finance minister announced that the deficit for 1995-96 is $4.1 billion below the government's target of $32.7 billion.
The reason given for this is that government spending and interest charges were lower than expected, but the figures the minister released for employment insurance show another reason the deficit is lower than expected.
While the government has cut benefits for unemployed workers by $1.3 billion in 1995-96, the government is collecting $9 billion more than it is paying out in benefits. Most of this surplus will go to reducing the deficit.
This is not the government's money. It rightfully belongs to the 13 million workers who contributed to it. At a time when the unemployed are having a difficult time trying to make ends meet with reduced benefits it is cruel and unfair to make the deficit numbers look better by gouging unemployed workers.
The Brome Lake Duck Festival
Statements By Members
1:55 p.m.
Denis Paradis Brome—Missisquoi, QC
Mr. Speaker, Tuesday marked the beginning of the first month-long Brome Lake duck festival in my riding of Brome-Missisquoi. Modelled after the great public fairs in southwestern France, this event attracts tourists at a traditionally quieter time of year.
This international gastronomic event, a local initiative, is a fine example of co-operation between France and Canada. It involves not only culinary exchanges between chefs from Gascony and Quebec, but also the promotion of Canada's excellent products overseas.
I wish to congratulate the festival president, Jacques Ouimette, for putting his heart and soul into creating an event of this magnitude around one of Brome-Missisquoi's main assets: its local products. I join with the people of Brome-Missisquoi in inviting Canadians to come to the Eastern Townships to attend the Brome Lake duck festival.
Jeanette Dean
Statements By Members
1:55 p.m.
Georgette Sheridan Saskatoon—Humboldt, SK
Mr. Speaker, Jeanette Dean of Saskatoon has been selected to receive the Canada Volunteer Award Certificate of Merit presented in
recognition of valuable voluntary contributions toward improving the health and social well-being of her fellow Canadians.
In 1987 Mrs. Dean retired from teaching at the Saskatoon School for the Deaf. She did not stop working, however. She joined the Saskatoon UNICEF chairing two committees. She was involved with no less than three Canadian Federation of University Women clubs, did volunteer teaching for the deaf, was national director of Educators of the Hearing Impaired, and helped set up the Saskatchewan hearing aid plan.
She now teaches speech reading in low cost housing projects, works with immigrants and children at the Saskatoon Open Door Society. She works with refugees and is involved with amateur theatre, seniors and the library.
What I wonder is what does this woman do with her spare time?
Veterans Park
Statements By Members
October 10th, 1996 / 1:55 p.m.
Ron Fewchuk Selkirk—Red River, MB
Mr. Speaker, on Sunday, October 6, I had the pleasure and the honour to be in West St. Paul, a rural municipality of my riding of Selkirk-Red River, to participate in the celebration of the 50th anniversary of Rivercrest.
Rivercrest is an area settled under the Veterans' Land Act. All of the original 56 residents were veterans of World War II and they were given the option to buy a home in Rivercrest with a small down payment and a government loan.
I would like to say a special thank you to the rural municipality of West St. Paul and the Rivercrest Community Club executive for recognizing our veterans by renaming Rivercrest Park to Veterans Park.
Community Organizations
Statements By Members
2:05 p.m.
Osvaldo Nunez Bourassa, QC
Mr. Speaker, community groups that provide assistance to the unemployed in my riding of Bourassa are upset at the funding cutbacks by the Department of Human Resources Development. In the greater Montreal area, the unemployment rate continues to climb.
The groups hardest hit are women, young people and immigrants. Growing numbers of clients and ever decreasing funding are forcing many organizations to close their doors, and leaving others in serious financial difficulty.
Organizations like Impulsion-Travail, Carrefour Jeunesse, Emploi Bourassa et Sauvé, L'Ouverture, a youth centre, and the Association des travailleurs haïtiens du Canada do some exceptional work.
The Department of Human Resources Development must provide adequate funding to these groups in order to end the continual uncertainty and promote their stability and viability.
The Debt
Statements By Members
2:05 p.m.
Werner Schmidt Okanagan Centre, BC
Mr. Speaker, yesterday the Minister of Finance told Canadians that the federal government will not be borrowing any new money in the markets and the process of restoring policy sovereignty to Canada has begun.
He failed to remind Canadians that the roll-over of the still massive existing public debt will require foreign investor participation. Neither did he recognize that Canadian investors will tend to use the same benchmarks as investors do in any sophisticated market to judge the risk and return on Canadian instruments relative to other markets. If these investors perceive that Canada's fiscal consolidation is missing the mark, they may well opt for foreign instruments, leading to higher borrowing costs in Canada.
The Minister of Finance has used illusion and carefully chosen words to bamboozle Canadians into thinking that Canada's debt is in great shape. It is not.
Canada-Portugal Friendship Group
Statements By Members
2:05 p.m.
Eleni Bakopanos Saint-Denis, QC
Mr. Speaker, as president of the Canada-Portugal Friendship Group I welcome to Canada the Secretary of State for Portuguese Communities, Mr. José Lello.
Portuguese explorers arrived in North America nearly 500 years ago. Since the establishment of their community, which numbers 500,000 today, Canadians of Portuguese origin have and continue to make a great contribution to the social, political and economic fabric of Canada's mosaic.
Our common membership in the United Nations, NATO, the OSCE and the OECD as well as recent commercial and technological links have strengthened Canada-Portugal relations.
This morning, with the member for Hull and the President of the Treasury Board, I attended the inauguration of a monument to all people of Portuguese origin in Hull. I will, if I may, cite the extract
from a poem by Jorge de Sena that is inscribed on the plaque. It reads: "I can only be from the land where I was born. Even though I belong to the world-".
I invite all my colleagues to come and meet the minister of state in the Commonwealth Room after Question Period this afternoon.
Benvidou ao Canada!
Mental Illness Awareness Week
Statements By Members
2:05 p.m.
Bonnie Hickey St. John's East, NL
Mr. Speaker, October 15 to 19 is Mental Illness Awareness Week in Canada. One out of five Canadians, six million people, will suffer from mental illness at some time in their lives.
In recognition of Mental Illness Awareness Week the Canadian Psychiatric Association and several other associations have joined together in an effort to remove stereotypes and misconceptions related to mental illness. They have initiated a national education campaign to help people identify the symptoms of mental illness and to better understand them.
The impact of mental illness extends beyond the sufferers, affecting friends, family members and society at large. Mental illness is the second leading cause of admissions to hospitals of those 20 to 44 years of age.
With proper care including medication, psychotherapy, self-help and support groups, most cases can be successfully treated. I ask that hon. members join me in supporting Mental Illness Awareness Week.
World Mental Health Day
Statements By Members
2:05 p.m.
Bernard Patry Parliamentary Secretary to Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development
Mr. Speaker, today, October 10, has been designated world mental health day. In Canada, the Canadian Mental Health Association has decided to dedicate this day to the prevention and detection of nervous breakdowns.
Fifty-four early detection centres and a 1-800 number have been set up in order to give those at risk or wishing to know more about this illness direct access to the services of professionals.
A recently published report by the World Health Organization predicts that, by 2020, nervous breakdowns will be the second largest health problem on the planet.
Given the extent of the anticipated phenomenon, it is fortunate that such initiatives are being taken to identify those already suffering from nervous breakdowns and to make us aware of the associated problems.
Goods And Services Tax
Statements By Members
2:10 p.m.
Daphne Jennings Mission—Coquitlam, BC
Mr. Speaker, this week is family week, and the government has forgotten families.
First, the government pays lip service to family concerns and throws money into short term job creation programs for youth to look good on paper. To make matters worse, that money is drawn on the country's battered credit, already at nearly $600 billion in taxpayer dollars.
Now, after saying there would be no GST on books in its election promises, the government is still going ahead with a new 15 per cent tax on reading materials which will take effect April 1 unless the Atlantic provinces are prepared to bite the bullet and swallow the 8 per cent additional tax as premier of Nova Scotia, John Savage, said he is prepared to do.
The Prime Minister wants credit for this? When is the government going to keep its word and remove the GST on reading materials? I remind the Prime Minister of his promise to remove GST on reading materials. I remind the Deputy Prime Minister, who said that books are a necessity.
This is family week. Remove the GST on books.
Goods And Services Tax
Statements By Members
2:10 p.m.
The Speaker
Colleagues, I remind you from time to time the microphones are on at the desk near the person who is speaking and sometimes inadvertently your words are heard by Hansard .


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Flivvers hold off Mountaineers
By RON DEUTER
Sports Editor
KINGSFORD – The Flivvers girls basketball team, forcing Iron Mountain into as many turnovers as points, nearly let a 16-point lead get away from them here Friday night.
Up 30-14 in the third quarter, Kingsford saw the Mountaineers close to within four points before sealing a 37-31 victory at the foul line in the final minute.
"Defensively they were in that zone, and you have to be able to make shots," Flivvers coach Mike Cross said. "In that first half we actually hit some shots. In the second half we just went cold, went really cold, and that's the difference."
Carlee Benzie's 17 points led all players. She poured in 11 of those in the first half, and finally iced the game for Kingsford with four free throws in the final 30 seconds.
But before those final freebies, the Flivvers had made just one fourth-quarter bucket after scoring only five points in the third quarter.
With the Flivvers struggling to score, Iron Mountain charged back on the strength of two fourth-quarter threes by Sarah Pirkola and another by Katelynn Johnson. Pirkola finished with eight points to lead Iron Mountain.
"We hung around," Mountaineers coach John Hogberg said. "We stayed in the game, and at the end I thought we gave ourselves a chance to win."
Pirkola canned her second trey with 41 seconds to play, making it 33-29. A Kingsford turnover in the backcourt gave the Mountaineers a chance, but they couldn't draw closer.
"I'm proud of the girls," Hogberg said. "Our defense was awesome tonight. I don't think they got a basket within in three feet in the hoop. They got a little hot and hit a few threes, but our interior defense was stellar."
Turnovers limited the Mountaineers chances, as the combination of unforced errors along with Kingsford's suffocating pressure had the Mountaineers into double digits in giveaways by the end of the first quarter.
Iron Mountain had 28 turnovers through three quarters but only added three more in the fourth.
"The turnovers hurt," Hogberg said. "Plus we don't have a lot of pure scorers. We do a lot of good things but we drop the ball and fumble it out of bounds. It's getting to be old, but it isn't due to a lack of effort.
"We are trying so hard out there. I'm proud of the girls. One of these days hopefully some good things happen."
Benzie, Courtney Qualley and Santina Bianco all flung in threes for Kingsford in the first half, as the Flivvers expanded their margin to 11 points by halftime.
Bianco's second triple of the game followed by a Qualley jumper pushed Kingsford to its 16-point lead early in the third quarter. But that was it for field goals for the Flivvers until Benzie drove in for two with 1:45 to play in the game.
"We just struggled offensively in the second half," Cross said. "But we were able to pull it out. Carlee did nice job of making some free throws at the end for us."
Iron Mountain was limited to chances at the foul line, missing both, while Kingsford converted 6-of-11.
"Defensively we did a nice job," Cross said. "They struggled with the pressure, but we've got to be able to make some shots. A win is a win though, and especially in an Iron Mountain-Kingsford game – it's just nice to come out with a win."
Kingsford added a 75-49 triumph in jayvee action, but the Mountaineers prevailed 50-23 in the freshmen game.
The Flivvers (6-2) host Escanaba Thursday. Iron Mountain (0-8) plays at Norway Tuesday.
Iron Mountain 6 8 4 13 – 31
Kingsford 15 10 5 7 – 37
IRON MOUNTAIN: Pirkola 8, Bujold 6, McCole 4, Gerhard 4, Herman 4, Johnson 3, Girard 2. FT: 0-2. F: 14.
KINGSFORD: Benzie 17, Qualley 7, Bianco 6, Larson 3, Roell 2, Fleming 2. FT: 6-11. F: 15.
FG shooting – IM: 14-38 (3-pt: 3-13); K: 13-48 (3-pt: 5-19). 3-pt FGs – IM: Pirkola (2), Johnson; K: Benzie (2), Bianco (2), Qualley. Rebounding – IM: 37 (Gerhard 9); K: 27 (Roell 7).

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Arctic Biodiversity Assessment – Arctic Biodiversity Trends 2010: Selected indicators of change report
Unique Arctic habitats for flora and fauna, including sea ice, tundra, lakes, and peatlands have been disappearing over recent decades, and some characteristic Arctic species have shown a decline. The changes in Arctic Biodiversity have global repercussions and are further creating challenges for people living in the Arctic.
The above statements are examples on the key findings describing changes in Arctic biodiversity that is presented in 'The Arctic Biodiversity Trends – 2010: Selected Indicators of Change', a new report recently launched synthesizing scientific findings on the status and trends for selected biodiversity in the Arctic issued by the Conservation of Arctic Flora and Fauna (CAFF) Working Group under the Arctic Council.
This report was recently launched at the Arctic Council Deputy Ministers' meeting in Copenhagen on May 27. GRID-Arendal contributed to the report through editing, graphic design and the production of all cartographics.
Available at http://www.arcticbiodiversity.is
All the graphics in this report, such as the above depicting the status of polar bear sub-populations in the Arctic, are freely available to download. Please visit the GRID-Arendal maps and graphics at http://maps.grida.no/


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Debates of March 3rd, 2011
House of Commons Hansard #138 of the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was senators.
- Question Period
- Freezing Assets of Corrupt Regimes Act
- Committees of the House
- Business of Supply
- Petitions
- Questions on the Order Paper
- Business of Supply
- Wind Storage Project
- Nordic World Ski Championships
- Relay for Life
- Fruit Growing Industry
- Volunteer Firefighters
- People with Disabilities
- Forest Sector Champion Award
- Tax Havens
- The Economy
- Main Estimates
- Freezing Assets of Corrupt Regimes Act
- Jim Travers
- Soccer
- Quebec Athletes
- Jim Travers
- Political Financing
- Cinar
- Tax Havens
- Political Financing
- Quebec City Arena
- International Cooperation
- Former Public Sertor Integrity Commissioner
- Veterans
- Pensions
- Forestry Industry
- Fisheries and Oceans
- Housing
- Status of Women
- Government Spending
- Aboriginal Affairs
- Taxation
- Points of Order
- Business of the House
- Points of Order
- Privilege
- Points of Order
- Business of Supply
- Patent Act
- Business of Supply
- Freezing Assets of Corrupt Regimes Act
- Patent Act
Opposition Motion--Representation in Parliament
Business of Supply
Government Orders
1:45 p.m.
The Acting Speaker Denise Savoie
On a point of order, the hon. member for Selkirk—Interlake.
Opposition Motion--Representation in Parliament
Business of Supply
Government Orders
1:45 p.m.
James Bezan Selkirk—Interlake, MB
Madam Speaker, earlier today the Speaker ruled that there should not be any disparaging comments made about members in the other place. We are constantly trying to improve decorum in the chamber. When we are talking about senators from the other place, we should treat them with the respect that we treat each other here. I ask that those allegations be retracted from his comments and that he does a proper job of improving decorum in the chamber.
Opposition Motion--Representation in Parliament
Business of Supply
Government Orders
1:45 p.m.
The Acting Speaker Denise Savoie
I thank the hon. member for his comments. I am sure the member for Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe will take that into consideration. However, from what I heard, I think he was stating some facts. I did not hear any overly disparaging comment, but I would ask him to be mindful of that. In fact, his time has run out. I would ask for questions and comments and he can perhaps conclude his remarks.
The hon. member for St. John's East.
Opposition Motion--Representation in Parliament
Business of Supply
Government Orders
1:45 p.m.
Jack Harris St. John's East, NL
Madam Speaker, perhaps the member could elaborate on his views.
I heard his very enthusiastic and vigorous speech. One thing I did not hear, though, is whether or not he supports the idea of Canadians getting to decide whether they want to get rid of the Senate or not. This is what the motion is about with respect to the Senate. Are the people of Canada sick and tired of this notion of an undemocratic Senate, with the kind of concerns that he raised? Having the powers it has under our Constitution, should people not be given an opportunity to express their view? And if they want to get rid of the Senate, then it is up to us as political leaders to find a way of doing that.
Could he tell us whether the Liberals support the idea of Canadians having a say, or at least find out what their opinion is as to whether or not we should rid ourselves of this relic?
Opposition Motion--Representation in Parliament
Business of Supply
Government Orders
1:50 p.m.
Brian Murphy Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB
Madam Speaker, first, I want to apologize for saying anything other than that Senator Gerstein and Senator Finley have been charged under section 140 of the Canada Elections Act. I am sorry if I said anything else.
The other aspect of the member's question is a good one, whether the provinces and the territories had been consulted.
Would the member, who I know to be a very strong, vigilant, diligent and vigorous member, have, in the day, said to former Premier Danny Williams that we are going to do this and not consult him at all on something that is integral to the founding of our nation. It may be a difference of opinion, but the idea of a referendum across this country has been tried before. Obviously people are not against the idea. But to not even have consultations, as the government has avoided for six years, with provincial and territorial stakeholders is a shame, is unacceptable and is a prerequisite for Senate reform.
Opposition Motion--Representation in Parliament
Business of Supply
Government Orders
1:50 p.m.
Mauril Bélanger Ottawa—Vanier, ON
Madam Speaker, I am very pleased to be able to speak to this matter. First, I want to congratulate the hon. member for Hamilton Centre for sponsoring this motion. I followed his speech with much enthusiasm and I want to tell him from the outset, in order not to create false expectations, that I will not be supporting the resolution. Out of respect for him and for others who have spoken to this issue today, I will explain why I cannot support his resolution. The main reason has to do with the part about the Senate.
I believe ours is a system of checks and balances between the executive and the legislative branches, between the government and opposition, and between the two Houses. Having a bicameral parliament is part and parcel of the system of checks and balances.
As opposed to abolishing the other chamber, I believe we might want to improve it. Therefore, I cannot and will not support the motion because of the portion of it that deals with the Senate. I do not think it is appropriate to propose an abolition.
Some of us may remember than in the previous parliament, the 39th parliament, Bill C-10 was a bit of omnibus legislation that contained an element that we all missed in this House. Perhaps the government should have been more forthcoming in explaining the elements of the bill. Nonetheless, the Senate caught something that we should have caught in this House, which would basically have given the Minister of Heritage some powers equivalent to censorship in the making of films. After strenuous debate, that portion of the bill was abandoned. Thus I think the Senate saved the day there.
Furthermore, in some instances, the Senate initiates very thorough studies. I remember the one that was tabled by the Senator Kirby on mental health, which has had a significant impact to the benefit of all of us in this country. There are other studies of that nature on poverty and security. I think there is certainly a great deal of work that is done by the Senate that is quite good and that is why I support the Senate.
Perhaps amending the Senate might be something we should consider. For that, I think we need to look at another mechanism rather than just striking a House committee. Perhaps the way to go could be a royal commission or a mechanism involving provincial authorities when looking at possible reform of the Senate. If such reform is impossible, then at some point down the road perhaps there will be outright abolition. However, at this point I think that would be premature.
I did listen quite closely to comments by my colleague from Nanaimo—Cowichan.
I am sorry about the inclusion of the elements of the Senate in this motion, because I really rather agree with where the rest of the motion is going.
I was at one point the minister for democratic renewal, and I remember the discussions I had with Ed Broadbent, who was the member for Ottawa Centre at the time. I said that I personally agreed that there may be a use in our system for an element of proportionality. I tried to define that element.
I recall an op-ed in the Globe and Mail a few years ago calling for a "12-per-cent solution", which apportioned a reduced number of seats on a proportional basis, but regionally. The reasoning then was that if we had greater regional representation within caucuses, for instance if the Liberals had more voices from Alberta and the Conservatives more voices from Quebec and the NDP more voices from other provinces, in other words, if we had more provincial voices speaking in the respective parties' national caucuses, the national perspective might win the day more often.
I think that would be healthy for our country. Therefore, I do support, notionally, an element of proportional representation.
I understand there are concerns and that proportional representation is a complex system. We had B.C., Ontario and P.E.I., where the people spoke on this. We had mixed messages. In B.C., a majority but not quite a sufficient number of people supported at one time having a single transferable vote, which is indeed a complex method. I think the problem there was that there was too great of a fixation on that particular method of altering the way of voting. We also had Quebec and New Brunswick, if I recall, that took a very serious look at elements of proportional representation and yet have failed to enact anything.
It is a complex situation, and I think the nature of our country, the federation, will help us evolve because, at some point, one of the provinces, if not the Government of Canada, will find a way to perhaps try some elements of proportionality. We will then see how that evolves.
The other concern of course is that some people say that if we go that way, we will always have a minority Parliament. That may be so. Some of my colleagues do not like the prospect of forever having minority parliaments, because it is quite difficult for members of Parliament if they are on constant electoral alert. However, I believe that is what Canadians may want; Canadians may want to have a little shorter leash on their representatives.
It behooves us all to learn to work together, not just to say we want to work together and pretend that we want to work together, but actually to find mechanisms to work together and make Parliament work. That is well within our grasp and capacity, and if the Canadian public decide that is what they want of us, then somewhere down the road, somehow, we will have to find a way to do that.
If we ever do go down the road of having an element of proportional representation within our electoral system, then we had better find a way to work together, whether by reconstructing committees or the way the House works or way we deal with legislation. In any event, that is well within our grasp.
All of that is to say that despite all of the concerns with the concept of proportional representation, an element of that, not a majority or perhaps not even as high as 50% or even 25%, but an element of that, might help our democracy. I say this because the other concerns about where we are going are equally valid. Here I refer to the concerns about lack of participation and declining participation, especially among young people. We have to be concerned about that. It is a concern that we cannot ignore, one that we ignore at the peril of our democracy and the well-being of our very nation.
When we weigh all of this together, perhaps the way to go would be to create a committee of the House of Commons and to give it a mandate, perhaps a little clearer than what we see before us today and with a little more authority, to go out and sound this out in a rational, responsible, realistic manner and come back to Parliament with its conclusions. Then Parliament should take them up in debate and see where they would lead us.
If we were to do that, and we will not do so today, I gather, from the indications of where the votes are, and to debate a motion that did not deal with the Senate, I would certainly be willing to support it and would encourage my colleagues to support it and to see where it takes us. I am sorry the Senate was included in the motion today, because I think we could otherwise have seen a little progress today.
Opposition Motion--Representation in Parliament
Business of Supply
Government Orders
1:55 p.m.
The Acting Speaker Denise Savoie
The hon. member will have five minutes for questions and comments after oral question period.
Wind Storage Project
Statements By Members
2 p.m.
Ed Komarnicki Souris—Moose Mountain, SK
Madam Speaker, as part of the government's economic action plan, $795 million under the clean energy fund was allocated over five years to research, development and demonstration projects to advance Canadian leadership in clean energy technologies.
On February 26, I had the opportunity to announce an investment of $2.79 million from the clean energy fund in the Cowessess First Nation's wind storage demonstration project. A wind turbine and a battery storage system will be installed on Cowessess First Nation land to demonstrate how intermittent wind power can be harnessed and stored to provide constant and continuous energy. This single turbine system is capable of heating and lighting approximately 30 homes and can be replicated a good number of times.
I would like to congratulate Chief Grady Lerat, the Cowessess First Nation, and members of their council and economic development team for pursuing this project and seeing it through to fruition. I wish them good success into the future. It may be a small beginning, but it is a big step in the right direction.
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Justin Trudeau Papineau, QC
Madam Speaker, this is akin to the United States winning soccer's World Cup in Brazil or Switzerland winning the gold medal in hockey at the Vancouver Winter Games. Yesterday, in Oslo, Norway, the birthplace of cross-country skiing, Canadian skiers Alex Harvey and Devon Kershaw won the gold medal in the classic sprint relay at the Nordic World Ski Championships. They beat the Norwegians on their home turf. The torch has definitely been passed from the hands of Pierre Harvey to his son. Alex Harvey's legend will go down in history, just like that of his father, who made us so proud for so many years.
All of Sudbury must also be brimming with pride having seen its native son, Devon Kershaw, with gold hanging from his neck in Oslo. We join our voices with theirs in congratulating the two skiers for their epic victory.
Congratulations Alex Harvey and Devon Kershaw.
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March 3rd, 2011 / 2 p.m.
Jean-Yves Laforest Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC
Madam Speaker, the first winter Relay for Life took place on February 26 in Hérouxville, which is in my riding. The cold weather did not prevent 300 walkers from participating in this relay organized to support cancer research. This is a first in Quebec and in Canada.
Emotions were running high during the traditional survivors' victory lap, which started off the relay. I was very impressed by the organized way the community, the municipality and the hundred or so volunteers were mobilized to look after the walkers all night long.
The organizing committee managed to collect $56,638, or more than double its initial goal of $26,000. I am very proud that this very first winter Relay for Life took place in my riding. It was an honour to attend and encourage these dedicated and hope-filled people.
Spurred by this great success, the organizing committee is already making plans for next year. I will be there and I invite all my colleagues to come along.
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2 p.m.
Alex Atamanenko British Columbia Southern Interior, BC
Madam Speaker, our fruit growing industry is in deep in trouble. B.C. apple growers are making a return of 12¢ a pound while their cost of production is 22¢ per pound. Current farm support programs are too complicated even for accountants to understand and are not paying out. Many farmers have yet to receive program payments they applied for in 2008.
Our trade policies are taking a toll on our fruit growers. Cheap subsidized apples coming in from Washington State are undercutting prices for our farmers. The president of the B.C. Fruit Growers' Association is appalled that the CFIA has approved an import permit from yet another Chinese province. We simply cannot sustain any more apple imports from countries with low production costs, especially those whose standards do not exactly conform with ours.
I call upon the federal government to put Canadian farmers first and to ensure that any current or future trade agreements do not interfere with their ability to earn a decent living and to supply us with good quality food.
Volunteer Firefighters
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2 p.m.
Daryl Kramp Prince Edward—Hastings, ON
Madam Speaker, author Kurt Vonnegut once said:
I can think of no more stirring symbol of man's humanity to man than a fire engine.
Today, I wish to thank the brave emergency service volunteers, especially the firefighters from Prince Edward County, Deseronto, Belleville, Thurlow, Madoc, Marmora, Tweed, Stirling, Bancroft, Maynooth and all points in between, all of whom play a vital role in our communities.
Their tireless dedication is an inspiration to all mankind.
Over two-thirds of rural Canadian fire departments are staffed by volunteer firefighters who put their lives in danger while saving lives and property every day in our communities.
In return, it is essential that we support their training programs and offer adequate tax relief that encourages recruitment and retention of volunteers.
It is for these reasons that I believe, and have believed, that we must continue to be a strong advocate for our first responders.
People with Disabilities
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2:05 p.m.
Ujjal Dosanjh Vancouver South, BC
Mr. Speaker, 25 years ago, Rick Hansen embarked on a world tour to make the world more accessible and inclusive and to find a cure for spinal cord injury.
Inspired by a deep-seated belief that anything is possible, Rick's dream took shape in the form of the Man in Motion World Tour. I was there in Vancouver when he launched his tour. For 26 months, he and his team wheeled more than 40,000 kilometres through 34 countries raising awareness of the potential of people with disabilities.
The government must introduce a national disability act to promote reasonable access to medical care, medical equipment, education, employment, transportation and housing for Canadians with disabilities.
Rick's tour was a testament to his tenacity and his deep-seated belief that anything is possible when one is determined to live a dream. Rick has inspired and continues to inspire Canadians and people all over the world to live their dreams.
Forest Sector Champion Award
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2:05 p.m.
Cheryl Gallant Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON
Mr. Speaker, the Upper Ottawa Valley continues to have a proud history in forestry, with local foresters like Grant Gulick, Leo Hall, Chris Heideman, Ray Pastway, Raymond Bell, Dana Shaw, Earl Bochert, Bob McRae, Dean Felhaber and the Dombroskie brothers carrying on a tradition started by pioneers like Peter White, Thomas McKay, J.R. Booth, John Egan, and the Buchanan and the McLaughlin brothers, to name a few.
It gives me great pleasure to congratulate the county of Renfrew for its selection as 2011 forest sector champion by the Ontario Forest Industries Association, the OFIA. The award was made to the county at a special ceremony during the 68th annual meeting of the OFIA.
As good stewards of the earth, it is important for us to acknowledge that our forests are growing.
Canada's record of forest management and regeneration is unsurpassed with a rate of deforestation that is virtually zero, a record we should all be proud of in this United Nations International Year of Forests.
Tax Havens
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2:05 p.m.
Robert Carrier Alfred-Pellan, QC
Mr. Speaker, during the latest World Social Forum in Dakar, Eva Joly, a European MP, stated that tax havens are weapons of mass destruction against the development of poor countries. According to Joly, the detrimental role of tax havens has been known for 10 or 15 years. If we are unable to combat them, it is because they are the crux of strong, converging interests.
Governments are quietly subsidizing multinationals by allowing them to avoid paying taxes. Leaders of poor countries are amassing a fortune through corruption. Political parties are obtaining their funding illegally.
Eight non-governmental organizations on various continents have launched the international campaign "End Tax Haven Secrecy". The purpose of this campaign is to demand that the G20 leaders introduce concrete measures to put an end to this lack of financial transparency.
The Bloc Québécois welcomes this initiative.


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Day 7: Kuwait to Muscat, OmanSaturday, August 31st, 2013
It's a beautiful morning in Kuwait, and already hot as we load and preflight the airplane. Our departure time was moved 30 minutes later by our handling company, BaseOps, to meet a landing slot restriction at our destination of Muscat, Oman. Mike Laver contracted with BaseOps for flight-planning services on this trip; sometimes this results in a contracted fuel price lower than the posted local price. BaseOps and similar companies also offer handlers in many countries–a person on the ground who meets you when you arrive, knows the local people and procedures, and helps you navigate "the system"–which is different in every country. We have used handlers at every stop since arriving in Salzburg.
Edmund, our handler in Kuwait, is great–he has us through customs, immigration, and security in less than 15 minutes. Pilots can theoretically take care of this themselves, but in foreign countries–especially in this part of the world–having a handler is priceless. Well, it's not priceless–there is, after all, a fee for this service. But he guided us through the process very quickly; left to our own devices, and with neither of us speaking the local language, we figure the process would have taken us at least a couple of hours…and maybe much longer.
Once in the airplane with the cabin door closed, the cooling breeze is gone, and I'm dripping with sweat before we can get engines started and the air conditioning on. Yes, if I lived in this part of the world, I would consider air conditioning a worthwhile option for an airplane. Today's schedule has only one leg, planned for 706 nautical miles and two hours, 30 minutes, to Muscat, Oman.
By the time we cross into the Persian Gulf, we're at 6,000 feet and already Kuwait is fading into a brown haze–I don't know how much is traditional haze and how much is blowing sand, but the cleaning cloth I used to wipe the windshield before we took off was pretty brown when I was done. Keep in mind, our stay was less than 15 hours. We finally top the haze layer at 18,000 feet, as we climb to our cruising altitude of FL250 (about 25,000 feet). It's hot at altitude, as well. The temperature at our cruising altitude is minus 17 degrees Celsius; a normal temperature (or ISA, for International Standard Atmosphere, representative atmospheric pressure, temperature, and other conditions pilots use to plan aircraft performance) would be minus 35 degrees Celsius. That makes the temperature at our altitude ISA +18, which has an effect on aircraft performance; fuel flows are reduced because the warmer air is less dense, but it also reduces our cruise speed. Because of the higher temperatures, the exhaust gas temperatures for our two Garrett turbine engines are higher than I've seen them on this trip–about 520 degrees, slightly into the yellow arc on the gauges but not really a problem.
Kuwait Control is handling more flights in Arabic than English, which is different from our experiences of the past several days. I'm more interested in the route of our flight, however. We're angling south-southeastward down the length of the Persian Gulf, flying on one of several designated airways (see above). Our aircraft is following an airway–the purple line shows that it's our designated flight plan, but several other airways appear in green just to the right. To the left is a blue line that represents the edge of Iran's airspace. Mike estimates that we're no more than five miles from Iranian airspace. For you nonpilots reading: An airway is like a highway in the sky, comprised of waypoints (which could be radio beacons on the ground, an intersection of signals from two radio beacons, or simply a named latitude and longitude in a GPS database). Controllers route flights along various airways, at assigned altitudes, to keep everything moving along safely. In the United States, a chart would show airways moving in many directions, and usually farther apart, as well. Here traffic is forced into a narrow corridor to avoid Iran's airspace, and the effect is remarkably similar to the lanes of an interstate highway going through a large city.
Fully electronic navigation is relatively new for many pilots, and a lot of us still carry paper charts as well. To give you an idea of the difference, here's the paper chart showing the same portion of the Gulf. This is oriented a bit differently but otherwise presents the same information. Our assigned airway is highlighted in yellow; all those other airways are below it, and Iran's airspace is just above.
We exit the Persian Gulf almost directly over Dubai, United Arab Emerates. We're talking for a time with UAE Control, and the controllers pronounce the "UAE" as a word (rhymes with Louie or Huey). It's hard to see much through the haze from our altitude, and I've given this photo about as much help as possible. But even from this altitude–wow, are those some tall buildings!
Hydration is always a concern when you're flying, especially on long flights in an aircraft without a restroom. Our strategy has been to limit ourselves to one cup of coffee in the morning, and drink only a minimal amount of water until we're within a hour or so of a stop. We do have options on board for obtaining relief should an urgent need develop, but these have not yet been necessary. The MU-2's seat rails, just below the pilot seats, make a great place to park a bottle of water–the metal channels conduct cold air through the fuselage, keeping the water nice and cool. When I open a bottle today, the water's lukewarm.
Passing Dubai, the tan of the desert occasionally is interrupted by oases and irrigated areas, small shapes visible in an ocean of sand. The ILS approach to Runway 8 Right is essentially straight in from our direction, and soon we're skimming over a massive area of new construction. I guess it's not just in the United States that builders want to build things on an airport's approach path. Just to the left, and visible in the center of the circular green area in the photo, is a gorgeous mosque–their domes and minarets are seemingly everywhere. And it's a little cooler in Muscat, which has mountains on at least two sides; it's 31 degrees Celsius (88 degrees Fahrenheit) when we touch down, and the forecast high is only 95. Now it's dinner and early to bed, because both of the next two days are scheduled as long, two-leg days as we head for Australia. If we stay on schedule we'll land there Wednesday.


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Why have I never heard of Imo's pizza? Is it not that good?
A year or so ago, after someone started a thread asking everyone how they navigate the boards, you reported that you read all new posts, from every section. Now that you say you've never heard of Imo's, I'm beginning to question your integrity, man.
@Scott123 I'm actually not certain if it *is* the grandfather of them all. I'm a little shaky in the STL pizza history department -- there may have been someone before Imo. But it is THE ONE that everyone seems to know and reference.


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Skip to comments.Strategy to Fight Back Against Voter Fraud
Posted on 11/09/2012 7:24:56 PM PST by LTC.Ret
This was not originally my idea --- it was something FRiend "struggle" suggested I do. It was a GREAT idea!!!
I called Gov. Perrys Office as well as his campaign office. I suggested that Gov. Perry publicly challenge the governors of Colorado, Ohio, Florida, etc., to investigate and clean up their voter fraud because Texas citizens are tired of bearing the consequences of malfeasance in other states.
There seemed to be some interest in the idea, and I was asked to send any documentation that I thought might be helpful. I sent the following: http://colorado.mediatrackers.org/2012/09/04/colorado-counties-have-more-voters-than-people/ http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/what-luck-obama-won-dozens-of-cleveland.html http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/good-news-obama-won-county-in-ohio-with.html http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/2012/11/fun-fact-obama-lost-in-every-state-with.html http://www.humanevents.com/2012/09/17/vote-fraud-alert-one-out-of-five-registered-ohio-voters-is-bogus/#.UJsjsmjNq5x.twitter http://www.duffelblog.com/2012/11/military-absentee-ballots-delivered-one-day-late-would-have-swung-election-for-romney/#ixzz2BkNjhn8p
Of course, there are even more that can be included now: http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/in-florida-obama-got-over-99-in-broward.html http://www.slcelections.com/Pdf%20Docs/2012%20General/GEMS%20SOVC%20REPORT.pdf
I am asking all TEXANS and other Freepers who live in Red States to contact your Governors both at the state house and through their campaign offices and ask them to challenge the Governors in fraud-ridden states to investigate, prosecute, and restore the integrity of our VOTE.
If we can get enough voices to be heard, and bring enough pressure to bear, we could get movement on this issue. We SERIOUSLY need it!!!
This is an OPPORTUNITY for some Governor9s0 to step up as a LEADER in an area that has no real down side, especially NOT on the Republican side of the fence. We WANT honest elections --- let's push the issue!!!
Contact info for Gov. Rick Perry is:
Gov. Rick Perry Office of the Governor P.O. Box 12428 Austin, Texas 78711-2428 Information and Referral Hotline [for Texas callers] : (800) 843-5789 Information and Referral and Opinion Hotline [for Austin, Texas and out-of-state callers] : (512) 463-1782 Office of the Governor Main Switchboard [office hours are 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. CST] : (512) 463-2000
Contact the Campaign Texans for Rick Perry 815-A Brazos Street, PMB 217 Austin, TX 78701 Phone: 512-478-3276 Fax: 512-478-4734 firstname.lastname@example.com
What a MESS -— SORRY. Don't know why it all ran together like that, it's NOT how I typed it in. Hopefully you can get the message from it anyway.
Regarding the recent Florida election
Official Florida Elections website ^ | 11/09/2012 | sarasmom
Posted on Friday, November 09, 2012 9:40:41 PM by sarasmom
Link to official St Lucie County FL 2012 results http://www.slcelections.com/Pdf%20Docs/2012%20General/GEMS%20SOVC%20REPORT.pdf
SOVC For Jurisdiction Wide, All Counters, All Races UNOFFICIAL RESULTS WITHOUT PROVISIONALS
Only one precinct had less than 113% turnout. 154 registered voters 107 votes 69.48%
The Unofficial vote count? 175,554 registered voters 247,713 vote cards cast (141.10% )
Again please note these numbers supposedly do NOT include Provisional ballots.
Oh yeah people, Allen West is entirely justified in asking for a lockdown on the ballot boxes and machines, and he might even need a few good men and women to ride on down there and help him make them count the actual votes!
One of your examples is from a parody website.
Republican governors should call an emergency meeting and DEAL with this. Period.
There is so much fraud in ALL the states, the corruption is so overwhelming, that NOT to deal with it is treason.
I wish it was easier to spot these, or that they were marked. With as bad as the voter fraud was this election, even the satire looks real.
Which one was the ringer??? THANKS!!!
Would it be possible to do a class action suit?
Inclusion of the Duffelbag story is going to hurt your credibility with the Governors. You need to vet the sources properly before assuming they are reliable.
You should also visit Truethe Vote.com to see how your efforts can be coordinated with them and other organizatioons with common interests.
the duffle one. military ballots one day later.
I remember gore conceding the election to bush, then changing his tune before the big chad fiasco. Do you?
Hanging chads became the democrat call that bush stole the election.
Therefore, no republican wants to do the same thing. We know that bush didn't steal the election, we know that gore called too soon because the powers that be didn't let him in on it.
So, when real fraud occurs, none of us wants to identify with sore losing democrats by calling fraud.
But , this loss WAS FRAUD.
I don't care how people view me because of my stance. I'm not gonna be PC'd in to silence. Not on this forum anyway.
No. The courts will rule the plaintiffs lack standing and thee courts lack subject jurisdiction.
"Which one was the ringer???"
The one about the military vote, except that for the most part, it is actually true. The military vote has been maximim screwed with.
You're right, they would rule voters don't have standing and the DOJ would slay it anyway. I feel like filing one myself in Federal Court, if I had the extra money.
The one about the military votes arriving late was from a satirical website, but it sounded real enough to fool me.
The fraud will be 10x worse next time when they repeal the term limits for Presidents
We need to quit accepting 50/50 splits, when we know it is far from the truth and tell it like it really is. 50/50 splits has gotten the Left very far because they know it sounds plausible. It doesn't especially when it has been used by both Left and Right more times than I can count. Those odds just don't happen unless, of course, one is cheating.
We also need to stop thinking courts are the final answer.
Thanks for letting me know!!! I followed back links from what I viewed as a reliable source to the blog article. It is truly bad when the integrity of the vote is so compromised that satire seems plausible. I have notified my contacts about the incorrect information. Thanks again!!!
Obamacare was the largest fraud ever implemented between our elected officials, the WH and our court system.
What I would like to see is being able to get my entire ballot shown online by just entering the stub number of my ballot-—no name. I would trust the system more.
That is a good idea -— if a lowly cash register can spit out receipts all day, surely a high tech voting machine could do it as well. Like you said, no names, just a code number. I'm nearly 100% sure there are folks on this list that could make that happen.
Today I wrote to RNC Chmn Priebus, urging that he and the Committee undertake a campaign to publicize and demand an end to fraudulent voting, noting that unless this is accomplished there will be no hope of ever electing a Republican president. I told the Chmn that absent such a clean-up I saw little reason to continue voting in national elections, being tired of being taken for a fool.
A steady stream of such a request MIGHT get results.
Good idea. Thanks.
Snope.com is panning the Duffelbag satire. It's an old Communist disinformation tactic. They take a true story and falsify certain aspects of it. They proceed to disseminate it as rumor or news among their enemies. The unsuspecting enemies of the Communists fail to recognize the strawman and poison pill as they adopt the wrong information amongst many true reports. Then the Communists tear down their own strawman to damage the credibility of their enemies who mistakenly trusted the strawman. The Communists then use the mistake to ridicule their enemies and anyone else who dares to speak out about any of the trues reports in the manner Saul Alinsky championed.Such was the purpose of the McCarthy anti-Communist activities. Promote the misperception of error and mean intent to hide the real crimes. The same technique was used to demoralize opposition to the Bolsheviks and Communists in Imperial Russia a century ago.
This an opportunity to teach a valuable lesson to American voters ignorant of how they are being manipulated by the Democrats and the Communists who have joined the leasership of the Democrats.
They're already talking 2016 on Fox as of this morning. There is going to be someone out there who has unspoken aspirations that needs some way to step out of the crowd and get noticed.
Taking on this vote fraud issue could be just the ticket, especially since there is so much information to be had now that it is almost impossible to deny any longer. Someone like a Governor who is not involved in a contested election, so that it can't be called sour grapes or poor loser, could garner a LOT of earned credit and publicity for this.
I'm not sure what the exact numbers are, but a significant percentage of American voters support Voter ID and other efforts to protect the vote. These people would likely rally to the person who led the charge to clean up voter fraud.
Scott Walker as of now is the only one I would even be slightly excited about. No retreads!
That would make to much sense. But it would not prevent a million dead people from holding otherwise apparently legitimate stub numbers.
Anywhere that 184% of your registered voters actually cast a ballot in an election -— someone's got some 'splainin to do, as Lucy said.
look at St. Lucie County, Fl ALMOST ALL THE PRECINCTS WELL INTO THE 130-160% TURNOUT
Reg Cards % turnout
4815 6550 136.03%
1849 2352 127.20%
1996 2566 128.56%
2694 3929 145.84%
2756 4378 158.85%
590 719 121.86%
2000 2804 140.20%
4460 6215 139.35%
2871 3663 127.59%
2948 4081 138.43%
3665 5609 153.04%
3181 4670 146.81%
3202 4119 128.64%
1835 2219 120.93%
2556 2909 113.81%
1024 1443 140.92%
2737 3631 132.66%
3840 5395 140.49%
3447 4475 129.82%
1832 2513 137.17%
3555 4847 136.34%
4122 5557 134.81%
1796 2568 142.98%
561 785 139.93%
1704 2748 161.27%
379 557 146.97%
1757 2313 131.64%
1720 2301 133.78%
Some of us have spent decades trying to think of ways to prevent vote fraud, but it is not very easy when there are too many corrupt people invovled in the process. As any accounting auditor can tell you, cash register receipts can be usedd to commit massive financial frauds which are sometimes difficult to detect, especially when the leasership of the organization is a co-conspirator in the fraud. It's much worse with voting due to the secret ballot and compromised voter registration procedures.
While it is not immune to corruption, one of the best ways to severely restrict the opportunity for fraud is to return to limiting voter precincts to no more than the number of voters who can know, recognize, and observe their vote as if they are in a townhall meeting. At every step of the way the vote tallies are then escorted by auditable paper trails to successively higher authorities, so any attempt can be immediately detected and immediately stopped on the spot. Election officials caught red-handed wuld be subject to trial and punishment under laws mandating permanent loss of the right to vote or hold any public office of trust, imprisonment for not less than one or more decadees, or punishment including capital punishment for the leaders orchestrating large scale vote fraud.
Furthermore, none of the above will do one whit of good so long as the public cannot convene its own grand jury without the approval of the public prosecutor or district attorney. Only then can the corrupt judiciary and corrupt legislators be held accountable for corruption in their offices.
Are you serious?
Taxes without representation are not moral or legal. We the People...the very payingest taxpayers in this country...were just royally and bipartisanly
disenfranchised of our vote in this election.
Direct disenfranchisement refers to actions that explicitly prevent people from voting or having their votes counted, as opposed to indirect techniques, which attempt to prevent peoples votes from having an impact on political outcomes (e.g., gerrymandering, ballot box stuffing, stripping elected officials of their powers).
And by not challenging it, fighting it..and getting in their faces about it...we grant permission for it to continue....and even worse...increase the probability of needing to resort to the cartridge box for resolution.
We have no further moral or legal obligation Federal Taxation at this point until this is corrected....and the vote is legitimate and non-corrupt.
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As I said on another thread, we have mostly Republican governors across the country. WE can organize around forcing our governors to at least pay attention to this. ORGANIZE and follow through. PA's governor is a pubbie. FLA's governor is a pubbie. Go to it starting first thing Monday morning. Burn up their phone lines and fax machines and don't let up.
I know this is a HUGE task, and that many things have been tried before. I also know we can either do SOMETHING, or we can complain to ourselves and nothing changes -— and it gets even WORSE next time.
Maybe contacting our Red State and Republican Governors won't do anything -— but what if it starts the ball rolling in the right direction.
These Democrats/progressives/liberals/statists want to win/cheat, but they really DON'T want to get caught at it and face paying for their crimes. Bringing these unbelievable numbers out into the light of day is going to cause questions to be asked that could lead to uncomfortable answers.
And contacting Governors is EASY -— something each and every one of us can do with just a few minutes time. So why not???
Imagine the surprise on a Governor's face when he is told that 1,000-2,000-3,000 calls/faxes/emails came in today from constituents asking him to publicly challenge the Governors in the fraud-ridden states of Colorado, Ohio, Florida, etc., to investigate, prosecute, and restore the integrity of our VOTE.
Don't forget to contact the Governors' campaigns as well. These guys want to get re-elected, and a campaign can certainly amplify a good idea if it looks like it has legs. Hearing it from us AND their campaigns cranks up the decibels.
Why don't you post this thread on the Texas message board?
Thank you for taking action to stop fraud. I believe the ony way to eliminate it is to completely purge voter rolls in every state and require ID to vote.
For those who think it's a bogus issue, remember what damage ACORN did and that was one outlet.
I'm not sure how -— instructions???
Click on the Texas flag on your profile page. It will take you to the Texas message board and there is a post box there. I posted it to the PA message noard as well, but only you lucky guys flying the Texas flag can post to the Texas board, (unless I change my location.)
Thanks for posting that. Very informative.
Which one is the parody?
It's being found in all the swing states or nearly all.
You've got to be kidding me. Isn't that right in Limbaugh's back yard and not a peep from him about it.
See post 51 for a possible explanation (post by snowislander)
Each voter received two ballot cards Florida had a large number of constitutional amendments proposed, and it required two ballots to cover all of the races and amendments.
The first two pages of the "Statement of Votes Cast" report are somewhat misleading when they show "cards cast" as exceeding 100%, and do not indicate blatant fraud. You should divide "cards cast" by two to get the number of voters participating.
It seems like states could just start over rather than purging voter rolls. Make constant public announcements telling people that NOBODY is now registered to vote and everybody should get registered in the next two years and bring your ID when you register. If you do not have a DL, bring your birth certificate and that will get you a DMV Photo ID card when you register. Now the issue of showing ID when you vote is solved because ALL registered voters would have a photo ID.
this is funny, but kind of sad too. the elections head said the following (from an nbc affiliate)
you all are going to laugh at this, but this IS the quote for the elections head for the county (real msm story, NBC affiliate)Ballots also "left" in a library.
Gertrude Walker, Supervisor of Elections for St. Lucie County, said she is not sure why the Election Summary Report lists "Cards Cast" as 141%. "They may have had something like that in Palm Beach County, but we've never seen that here," she said.
Read more: http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/region_st_lucie_county/st-lucie-county-election-results-posted-after-hours-of-delay#ixzz2BnaZZjja
Published on Jul 6, 2012 Clinton Eugene Curtis testified under oath, before the Ohio State legislature, that he wrote a program to rig elections. This program would flip the total vote from the real winner to the candidate who had been pre-selected to win by the electronic vote counting machines.
Excellent. Thank you. If we could out together a list of links and hard info to present in this thread, we could make hard copies to present a good case.
I called my governor's office yesterday. I'm in Pennsylvania. We almost had a voter ID law, but it was as good as struck down several weeks before the election. You would be asked to show your ID, but could still vote if you didn't have one. Yeah, stupid, I know! I told the lady in the gov's office that I was sick of my vote being wasted every election and was sick of the voter fraud in Philly and I want a stronger ID law. She said it's on Gov. Corbett's agenda.
Yeah. Right.
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Here's how RW members rated this race in the past (326 votes).
In short: Wow - wear wellies for this hard race. Fantastic marshalls and organisation so thx to Pewsey Running club.Date of review: March 1, 2007
In short: The organiser's logo says "mud, sweat and hills" - that about sums it up.In full: Second time running this one. Much, much muddier this year, hence almost 5 mins slower. That may also have been down to the larger field (1000 rather than 400) and quite a few 'single file' sections. Nevertheless, a really enjoyable mudlark for a sunday morning. Very tough, very muddy - I'll be back.Date of review: February 28, 2007
In short: A tough but great race full of mud and water where the marshalls are unbelievable!In full: Despite it raining heavily the night before - the marshalls were standing in thick mud at many points on the course just to point us in the right direction and give out drinks! A great race, loved it - my legs have stopped aching lets do it again.Date of review: February 28, 2007
In short: Mud, Hills, More Mud, More Hills - FantasticIn full: Great organisation, fantastic course, guess the wet weather made it even tougher. Good camaraderie. Will do it again next year, but will remember to save some energy for the river crossing at the end, so at least stay on my feet!Date of review: February 28, 2007
In short: thick mud, gloopey mud, liquid mud, sticky mud, etc etc etcIn full: forth time in a row and first time not frozen hard ! mud was the order of the day which isn't a problem for me, but even i was slipping around in my trailfox's. Did more or less same time as last year but much better position !! still beaten by two (very fast) ladies - must try harder next yearI will be back !!!Date of review: February 27, 2007
In short: A Great Break from Marathon Training! Asta la vista. I'll be back!!In full: Great atmosphere (apart from grumpy old man in gully moaning 'cause someone was walking a few paces!), well organised and well supported. I actually enjoyed the hills!!A Great Break from Marathon Training! Asta la vista. I'll be back!!Date of review: February 27, 2007
In short: Cracking race........or was it cracking shin bones ?In full: Well done organisers , great job , great marshalling and great cakes . Did I mention it was great ? Probably the muddiest and wettest slog around the country I've done for a long time . This is what running is all about . Pavement plodders must try this .Date of review: February 26, 2007
In short: The mud made it for me, it's a great levellerIn full: Still can't decide whether it's tougher than R'n'T, thogh I have 2 tight hamstrings and a painful knee today. I think that the R'n'T seems to have a better atmosphere but I can't decide why, I shall just have to do them both again next year!Date of review: February 26, 2007
In short: the runners made this race,everyone just wanted to complete it,thankyou to pewsey vale running clubDate of review: February 26, 2007
In short: A real challenging that easily lived up to it's intimidating name.Date of review: February 26, 2007
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I was so excited to see the comments when I got online! Thanks you guys, you all make my day! Eagle Eye, you are right....on school house road...next picture will tell the story.
Thanks for playing my game!
-- Posted by jessiemiller on Thu, Sep 10, 2009, at 8:12 AM
I'd say EE is right. We used to hunt up there in the early 70's.
-- Posted by skeeter on Thu, Sep 10, 2009, at 6:03 AM
I know where it is at now, its very near to Hill City on School house road, hows that Jessie. LOL
-- Posted by Eagle_eye on Wed, Sep 9, 2009, at 9:19 PM
I attended a small schoolhouse in Hall, Montana during my childhood, where my aunt and my grandmother were two of the teachers. What a great time!
-- Posted by DaveThompson on Wed, Sep 9, 2009, at 7:07 PM
I'm have no idea where it is, but it sure makes me appreciate the American West and it's wide open spaces!
-- Posted by DaveThompson on Wed, Sep 9, 2009, at 7:04 PM
Jessie, maybe closer to Hill City off the main drag, I not looking toward Soldier Mtn but could be wrong there also.
-- Posted by Eagle_eye on Wed, Sep 9, 2009, at 4:03 PM
Before you actually get into fairfield? Is there a corner gas station or store near the intersection?
-- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, Sep 9, 2009, at 4:02 PM
Eagle Eye, you are very close to where it is when you say..."Up the Fairfield area...."
-- Posted by jessiemiller on Wed, Sep 9, 2009, at 3:07 PM
Jessie, you got me where it is at, I have never seen it in all my travel's around the area even on snowmobiles. I did see it looks like it has a fairly new metal roof and there is a Mountain Range in the back ground which I think maybe it is up the Fairfield area but I don't know, it sure will be interesting to find out where it is located.
-- Posted by Eagle_eye on Wed, Sep 9, 2009, at 3:05 PM
No, never moved. It is in it's original location. About an hour from Mtn. Home. It is on a corner, with a road in front, and a road beside. I am standing on the corner/intersection while taking the picture.
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The French geologist connects Dorothy Day, seismic activity, empathy, and the ability of the heart to continue to learn.
The writers Flannery O'Connor and Walker Percy, social activist Dorothy Day, and the Trappist monk Thomas Merton — all four shared a complex Catholic faith. Paul Elie takes us on a kind of literary pilgrimage through a Catholic imagination that still resonates in our time.
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I saw this today and wondered
I saw this today and wondered if the On Being family would be touched, too.
Thank you for all your good work! You guys are making a difference!
the very interesting guest
the very interesting guest speaks of the apartness of his subjects. the question is "apart from what?"
being on panels, lecturing, etc reminds me of wittgenstein who said words are a "public activity" something social. like panels, lecturing. one can't help but see merton as not quite able to relinquish public activity much of what amounts to somethng buddhists understand to be self-dramatization. i would also submit that dorothy day's soup kitchens were not the thing that is "apart" but the rest is.
I think the apartness being
I think the apartness being discussed in Elie's biography is about that aspect in each of these writers as writers and as Catholics. This apartness is something I very much recognize both in the practice of my faith and in my attempts to write. It's a place of solitude we find in a world so often demanding of us that we engage, plug in, network. In a recent On Being they were talking to Ann Hamilton about being "alone together" —she tries to offer this experience through her art. I think these artists found some aspect of the same in their faith, their writing, and in what they hoped the reader would experience "with" them.
In the "Faith Fired by
In the "Faith Fired by Literature" program there were references to writers who were "born Catholic." How can anyone be born Catholic, or Muslim, or any other denomination? "Raised Catholic" would be more accurate. If anything, we are all born atheist (born not believing in the gods imagined by some of the people around us). Happily, some of us live to adulthood without having any religion forced upon us.
The usage and promotion of
The usage and promotion of the term Pilgrimage as espoused by Paul Elie is in the context of the American perspective once again a denial of Truth and a setting aside of the Truth of the continuance of modern form of genocide of indigenous cultures and their beliefs in the Creator we all share. Mr.Elie presents a continuance of the illusion that connection with the Truth Christ reveals is to undertake a pilgrimage of whatever manifestation of the term pilgrim is the flavor of the day. While those Mr. Elie cites were gifted people with their own beautiful connection to the message Christ brings, the journey Christ engages us in is one toward the Light of forgiveness.
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Your sadness covers all.
The mangled corpses
Of a never ending Genocide,
Are removed from the depths,
Of darkness and despair,
As You pass over and within.
The souls of those worldwide,
Who by circumstance of location,
Of birthplace predetermined,
Have been judged,
By despotic minds,
Preying on the innocent.
You alone decide,
The place and time of vengeance,
Today You are Risen,
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Brings healing and forgiveness.
Respectfully, I believe you
Respectfully, I believe you are perverting the term as Elie intends it, burdening it with your particular (and peculiar) historical and political connotation.
Mr Elie should know that he
Mr Elie should know that he most certainly succeeded in his pilgrimage, in that journey to others made one's own. His book is probably one of the most personally important I ever read. It opened a path for my own pilgrimage and faith. I don't know if I can call myself a writer, but I know I write. The examples Elie found and shared in Day, Merton, Percy and O'Connor helped me to understand why.
Still digesting it all..
Still digesting it all...beautiful show. Thank you for introducing me to Elie and his conception of these figures as a modern catholic mystical quartet. already devouring some readings!