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As we focus increasingly on ourselves, who do we leave behind, abandon? Abraham Joshua Heschel's prescient words on aging and vanity from his essay "To Grow in Wisdom."
Rabbi Heschel marched alongside Martin Luther King Jr., famously reporting that he felt like his legs were praying. Heschel practiced what he called "radical amazement" in his work with religious others. "The opposite of good is not evil," he said, "it is indifference."
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Rabbi Heschel speaks at an event protesting the Vietnam War on March 10, 1969. The group Clergy and Laymen Concerned About Vietnam (CALCAV) convened at Union Theological Seminary in New York City, a Christian institution across the street from Jewish Theological Seminary where Heschel taught.
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Heschel is a person who I was unfamiliar with prior to this program.. Listening to his words and philosopy was inspirational. I want to learn more. So many great minds that we don't know about, who can help us understand what is truely important and meaningful in life. Thank you for the program and web information.
My sentiments exactly. This
My sentiments exactly. This show has pointed me to more education and understanding than I could have imagined.
In a series of speeches at Stanford University called "Who is Man" Heschel stated that a Man can say "I am commanded therefore I am." At one point in my life, this question of commandedness became critical to me and I explored its meaning, and frankly, have never stopped exploring it. After stumbling across that small book, I read all of Heschel that there was in English and worked at Torah Mi Sinai" in its Hebrew. Heschel's thoughts and actions have been and continue to be influential in my life and work as a Jewish educator, and as a human being in this world. He was one major chapter of my dissertation on educating for religious experience; he is my model in my own interreligious work, and he is a source of inspiration as I struggle to make my life and my corner of the world one in which wonder and amazement never gives in to despair.
Thank you for the program with Arnold Eisen, it woke me up today in a very special and important way.
The story on Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel was a wonderful reminder of what this extraordinary man did in the world. While his work with his clergy brother Dr. Martin Luther King is fairly well known, he and his other good works cannot be spoken of enough. I was happy to learn even more. I have no one moment of inspiration to attach to Rabbi Heschel, rather I see him as an evergreen beacon of moral authority,courage,humanity,and faith. He was that rare voice that is both fierce and loving,challenging and caring and speaks across religions and beliefs -- and does so through the rich traditions of Judaism. Current religious and world leaders -- and all of us -- still have much to learn from this great man.
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On the show today, Krista spoke about a discussion guide resource. I would love to purchase one or download it. I looooooved the show today and want to share the teaching of Rabbi Heschel with my congregation.
I was listening to "Speaking of Faith: Rabbi Heschel" and one thing that caught my attention was "Some are guilty but all are responsible." I think many, many of us are guilty. I have been opposed to the production of nuclear weapons, land mines, cluster bombs, military intervention into Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. but I always felt such a contradiction because my tax dollars paid for these weapons to be built. My tax dollars pay for our young to go to war. Though I did not build the weapons and I did not draft or send soldiers to foreign wars, I paid for it. I have marched and stood at vigils and periodically have gone to jail, but then I hand over the money. In fact, my life's work has been to confront poverty and try to alleviate the pain of hunger and yet participate in so many ways to keep Capitalism alive and well. It makes one feel split.
Barbara R. Mishler
My radio alarm clock goes off at 5 a.m. With eyes not open yet I sluggishly reach over with my right hand; my fingers groping to find the particular shape and feel of the snooze button to gain another nine minutes of this precious commodity called sleep. Ah, there I have found the button and am rewarded with a modicum of half asleep, half awake slumber that is mediocre at best. As I drift away from the shore of consciousness into a quasi ocean realm of bliss and restfulness, I am no sooner rudely awakened again by my radio alarm clock invading my disorderly jumble of scatterbrain thoughts, leaving vestiges of a mixed media radio program that will soon drown in a sea of forgetfulness. Nine minutes goes by fast, and I will reapeat this cycle over and over again several times until the monotonous repetition of snooze button scenarios transform themselves from a sought after pleasure release into an undesired, unwanted regimen of what seems like an undeserved relentless cycle of discipline and punishment. I can't take it anymore as my virtual snooze button movie comes to a grinding halt and I let my radio alarm clock play on, and on.
It is 6 a.m., Sunday morning now. My eyes are more open than closed and my focus of attention is attuned to the radio program I am half listening to on my radio alarm clock. I think I will get up and get ready to go to early morning worship service at Calvary Chapel. On second thought it is cold outside and there is probably 2 inches or more of wet snow on the ground as I reflect on my foreknowledge of the night befores' live WeatherBug alert that flashed on my computer screen. I remain motionless in bed and again attune my attention to the radio program. I am almost fully awake now and I hear the voice of one whom I have never heard before. As the words of Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel penetrate my brain and thoughts in a most compassionate and profoundly spirtually sacred way, I am moved to shedding soft tears filled with my own frailties, inadequacies, and sinfulness. I am 55 years of age now. What have I learned in life about myself, about others, about the world around me, about my own Christian spirituality, about GOD. I am a gentile who should have been born Jewish. My own paradoxical dichotomy is that I believe in the Messiah, Jesus the Christ, Yeshua Hamaschiach. I choose to beleve in Him and cannot give that up. This mornings' worship service for me will be right here in bed as I listen to the radio program, Speaking of Faith in its entirety. As I reflect on what this program means to me, I will have a rare moment of serendipity and realize that no one can put GOD in a box. The moment you do, you not only shortcircuit the very power and presence of GOD out of your life but you also come to a rude awakening that your journey on the spiritual path to discovering and experincing GOD on any level has or will come to a crashing halt and whatever faith you have may become shipwrecked. The end result will be that you will not only shortchange yourself but no one will want to learn or listen to anything you have to share with them about yourself, about others, about the world around you, about your own Christian spirituality but most importantly, about GOD. I will find in Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel a most trusted confidant, friend, and spiritual teacher who's words and wisdom will not only help humble me in a most contrite way in my own practices of prayer and acts of repentance but will also help me transcend my own spiritual learning experience as I come to truly open my heart and mind to continually discovering who GOD is not only from a reading of the sacred scriptures but also from my own existence as a human being by the creative hand of GOD.
Perhaps that book I spied on the bookshelf at work written by a Jew born in Poland back in 1907 is indeed a work written by the profound Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel. Can it be? A book that someone has thrown aside but one which sorely needs to be read. I humbly believe that I am that person who's hands must lay hold of that book tonite when I journey into work. As I finally get out of bed, I am not saddened that I missed worship service this morning because if I had gotten up and shut off my radio alarm clock, I may have never discovered Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel and would have been at a great loss because of my actions but now am the more humbler and and spiritually richer because I discovered him. I am at a loss for words to go on.
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Dear Krista, Listening yesterday to the quotes of Rabbi Heschel brought to mind an ongoing discussion that I have with my son Eric, who teaches Human Rights Law at the University of London. I agree with Heschel's comment..."words have meaning, the holocaust did not start with the bulding of crematoriums". Therefore, I have always felt that "words of hate" should be treated as a crime, because these words may well lead to an actual crime. My son disagrees. His argument is that an actual crime of violence must be commited before the law can act. He thinks it is important to hear hate speech, rather than suppress it. This way, one can be aware of the source and track it. Is there an answer here? D. Heinze
I sure enjoyed the discussion between Krista and Arnold Eisen! I found a missing link for people like me who admire Christopher Hitchens' and Sir Richard Dawkins' critique of mindless obedient belief in unbelievable rigid dogma but who also feel there's something spiritual in the world that needs to be acknowledged. Heschel's placing action, good action, righteous action, like that of Dr. Martin Luther King, as required even when certainty about the supernatural is absent, for me places religion where it belongs. Religion can't do what it said it could for millenia - explain the universe or heal the sick - which science can do - but it can teach human beings how to get along with one another, how to treat one another better. It seems that Heschel's work opens that door to those of us who can't take the dogma but want something.
I really enjoyed the SOF broadcast on Abraham Joshua Herschel. I really learned a lot of his life and legacy as a Jewish Rabbi and a philosopher. He seemed to have devoted his life to speaking out against the suffering of people weather it was race, war or any other kind of human suffering.
I was intrigued by several of his famous quotes, including "The cure for the sole begins at embarrassment", "Some are guilty but all are responsible", and "Words create worlds". These quotes were all but inspiring to me and they all made perfect sense to me, as soon as I hurd them.
Before listening to this interview I had never herd of Abraham Herschel. I am glad to have finally learned of his philosophy and insights of God. I also thought how he joined forces with other religious groups including Martin Luther King Jr. and Pope Paul the second was a very inspiring. I think it was great that he could break down the barriers of religion and find common ground, so that they could all work towards achieving goals like, ending war and the civil rights movement.
I think we are better off because of his works and teachings.
Thanks for putting on his story
I have to be honest… before listening to this program I had never heard of Abraham Joshua Heschel. From listening to your broadcast I discovered how important and thought provoking Heschel's teachings were personally and historically. I am wondering why Martin Luther King Jr.'s teachings and story was so adamant throughout all of my schooling but his colleague and friend, Heschel, is discussed as a historical/religious figure much less. Many of the quotes and points from Heschel, quoted by Arnold Eisen, were extremely relevant to my own life and I am certain the lives of others. "Some people are guilty but all are responsible," is a great mantra to live with. There is always going to be something more you can do to help the world. I was also quite fond of the piece concerning the irrelevancy of age in matters of opinions and having something to say. Being an adequately young person myself (20) I found profound meaning in Heschel's statement. Great broadcast and I can't wait to learn more from each segment!
Thank you for sharing the thoughts and ideas of Rabbi Heschel. I recall hearing his name mentioned when I was a college student as a great religious and philosphical thinker of the 20th Century. A few years ago I received a prayer card when I went on a retreat. It gave a quote from Rabbi Heschel that continues to speak to me. The quote says "All things have a home: the bee has a hive, the bird a nest. For the soul, the home is where prayer is, and a soul without prayer is a soul without a home.
Continuity, permanence, intimacy, authenticity and earnestness are its attributes.
I enter this home as a supplicant and emerge as a witness, I enter as a stranger and emerge as next of kin. I may enter spiritually shapeless inwardly disfigured and emerge wholly changed."
I look forward to listening to the program again and exploring the other resources available on the show website to explore the thought and ideas of this fascinating figure.
First of all I would like to thank Krista and the SOF team for sharing Joshua Abraham Heschel life with me on the program that aired December 3rd. I was so moved by the story of his life. In only 53 minutes, the duration on your program, you were able to convey that this was a man that had a personal relationship with God. His relationship was not limited by the confines of "religon," which was so refreshing to hear from a conservative Rabbi from Poland. I was really shocked to witness how moved I was while listening about his life and his life's work. I felt a true sadness that he is gone and wished that I could have know him personally. It was so interesting to me that he understood his purpose in life by reading about the prophets in the bible/Torah. He learned what we should all learn; we are somehow like a relection of God. We all share an individual responsibility to design our lives to be truly meaningful. Heshel was courageous to step up and truly live his life as a God centered person and to work with others to eliminate pain and suffering. Imagine if we could all have this same courage and connect with our spiritual essence, we could design really beauitful lives. Thank you again for such menaingful pregramming. Bobbi de Winter
On the prophets quote, "Some
On the prophets quote, "Some are guilty all are responsible..." (or something along that line) brought out some old struggles that are still with me...
When we place on the mythical others all of our guilt
we have a shaky floor upon which our morals are built
Responsibility is shared, said an old modern day prophet,
by all of the national and local community lest we forget
Forty-three years and a day ago I waked in a combat zone
with hundreds of others to strive for 364 more of our days
Without much identity formed, of a sudden we were grown
and quickly many forgot how to be joyful and how to play
We and we alone were responsible, us crazy Vietnam vets,
we didn't need protection by NRA, Uncle Sam issued us a gun
Who is responsible for all that death and for us coming undone?
God has stepped up and holds us in a holy hand without any regret
It's at the point where
It's at the point where pluralism and hate interface that we'll find the true nature of Heschel's beliefs. Was he, at his core, a Jewish heretic, or was there something more authentically Jewish?
In her interview Krista highlighted Heschel's pluralism. What I'd like to hear is how Heschel dealt with the haters, specifically those who rejected the right for the State of Israel to exist, and who worked feverishly to exterminate it and all its Jewish citizens.
Eisen notes that at the Passover seder Jews open their doors to invite the world in. What he left out is that at the very same time Jews ask God to totally wipe out the haters.
Eisen's Conservative movement has strongly moved away from a Judaism based on a God-given Torah towards the Reform's world that's devoid of God's law. What would Heschel have thought about that?
I heard a show on Rabbi
I heard a show on Rabbi Heschel maybe two or three years ago and I was so inspired, and now once again ... thank you onbeing.org.
I rarely get to listen to "on
I rarely get to listen to "on Being," but happen to catch this week's radio show on Heschel twice. I believe in free will and all that good stuff, yet I also believe that things happen for a reason and that every moment in our lives has a purpose. This is not more true in my coming to know and my relationship with The Rt. Rev. Mariann Edgar Budde, D.Min.Bishop of Washington, who was formerly the rector at St. John's Episcopal Church in Minneapolis. I found many parallels between Heschel's philosophy and commitments and those of Mariann Budde, Mariann will talk about her own humanity, her doubts, etc. Mariann is a champion of social justice, not only in her talk, but in her walk as well. Mariann has spoken about our collective responsibility as a community. I don't want to mischaracterize or misquote Mariann, so if you like Heschel, and have the chance to hear Mariann in public or read her writings, I encourage you to do so.
Abraham Heschel was a truly
Abraham Heschel was a truly great man; his feet always on the ground and his gaze firmly set on the stars.
Many thanks for the great audio program!
Arnold Eisen and Krista
Arnold Eisen and Krista Tippett do a great job in portraying the teachings of Abraham Joshua Heschel in this podcast, and I find the words of Heschel quite compelling to say the least. Being I am a young adult in the current generation, I admire what Heschel said about the youth, and the part that we play in this world. He says that we do make a difference, and at times we are confronted with many forms of restriction from authority. I feel like the current generation has some sort of responsibility; an obligation to change the status quo. We have been blessed with the privilege to access internet to spread our word, and to gain a following with our ideas, and our insight, so I believe it is our duty to make something happen, whether it be big or small.
Heschel was right, we do have many restrictions, and previous generations have felt the need to stay inside the lines, and not to stray too far away from the 'norm,' but I see us kids taking a different route than what was once handed to us. I see this generation taking the power from the top, and moving the power in the hands of those who desire it, the ones who deserve it. Not the ones who can purchase it. Heschel could see how other people had the same dedication to their spirituality as himself, and we can too do the same with any aspect in life. We just need to understand that the only way to come together is to be open with one another, and then we can finally work all as a team, and once a team has been put together we can succeed with whatever human affair we find necessary to speak about. And that is what I feel Heschel meant by his quote "Treat your life like a work of art." Art takes time, it is a process filled with different parts, different colors, and different techniques. In the end we do not see the process, only the artwork itself. Therefore, it is not where you are, but more so where we will end up.
Not one moment since Gods
Not one moment since Gods call on my life have i been able to articulate what happened. i try and it never does justice, my words jumbled and meaningless in comparison. i left my career without fully being to explain why. We started a nonprofit based more on heart and hard work than an ultra-articulate mission statement....yet its been a success...somehow people "get it."
Now, with Heschel, i realize God may purposely make some experiences ineffable. And thats ok.
This presentation warmed my
This presentation warmed my heart and soul today, just prior to Passover 2013. Thank you so much for the wonderful montage of the past, and indeed the future. The spirit of Abraham Joshua Heschel looms large in our individual growth and that of our temples and synagogues today, and his example can and should inspire us all in our world today, since it has deteriorated in so many ways. Makes me wonder what Heschel would be saying if he were still writing and speaking now. Personally, it's as though I feel a sense of personal responsibility and even pressure to speak up as my tikkun olam. This presentation really inspired me.
I am moved by the teachings
I am moved by the teachings and the life of Abraham Joshua Heschel. I would love to be his student even though he is nolonger with us. I love this show it is good for the soul
Stay blessed. I would love to learn more about Heschel's philosophy and teaching
As I started listening to
As I started listening to Heschel's words, I am reminded so much of Buber, and my own belief in compassionate communication that can make worlds and change people's lives. I love the way he invents words that have affect and inspire people to be radically amazed at how things are and can be ..... great creative resource for all humanity.
I'm looking to replace a book
I'm looking to replace a book by Rabbi Heschel that I haven't been able to find through Internet sources. It's a commentary on the Psalms. It was used for a course on the Psalms at a local Catholic church. I would appreciate any lead so I can get it again. It was a small paperback. Thanks in advance.


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Truman enrollment drops
TRUMAN – Enrollment at Truman Public Schools shows a 19 percent decrease since last school year, a trend attributed to families moving, open enrollment, and fewer kindergarteners than graduating seniors.
As of Sept. 10, 199 students were enrolled, down from 245 last year.
"It is lower than we anticipated," said Superintendent Tom Ames. "We face a significant challenge."
Fourteen students moved out of the area; eight open enrolled to surrounding public school districts; four to private school districts; and four students returned to their home district. The district graduated 35 students last year.
Meanwhile, 15 students open enrolled from other districts, and 16 students entered the district in the kindergarten class.
With enrollment closely tied to funding at Minnesota schools, student loss equals funding loss.
While the district will generate fewer dollars through enrollment, it is still going before voters with a capital projects levy request Nov. 5.
The referendum asks for $125,000 per year for 10 years for a variety of projects, including upgrading playground equipment; replacing sidewalks; technology upgrades; gym ventilation; tuckpointing; roof and ceiling replacements; and maintaining mechanical systems.
If the referendum passes, the money it generates will be earmarked for the upgrades.
"We need to keep the money in the classroom and use dedicated money to fix the buildings," said school board president Mike Pfeil.
Ames agreed, noting the buildings need to be maintained no matter how enrollment fluctuates.
"The money to keep this building up is not tied to enrollment," he said. "We need that."
Ames told the school board Monday he is collecting examples from around the state on how other schools have handled declining enrollment.?He said he will report back to the board with his findings.
"You are at a point where all options are on the table for next year," Ames said.
In other business the board proposed raising it local property tax levy by 3.1 percent, the maximum allowed by the state. The amount can be lowered before the final levy is approved in December.

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They Burned My FlagPosted Thursday, March 3, 2011, at 12:42 AM
I had the occasion to return to Southeast Missouri where I am originally from several weeks ago and visit with my family and my new granddaughter. I was greeted by the giant American flag flying at the sports complex as I drove into town. I was proud to see the reminder of what America stands for soaring as it flew atop the hundred foot flag pole. The flag itself is about fifty feet by twenty-five feet in size.
While I was visiting at my daughters house a neighbor who stopped by to visit told us that some men were standing on the corner of the street uptown passing out bulletins asking people to join them for the burning of the American flag that was to take place that night. There was nothing wrong with the flag that I could see as I drove into town. A Little later I drove uptown to find out what was going on.
When I arrived at the site of the gathering I say eight men standing on the sidewalk and walking out into the street at the stop sign handing out literature about the planned event. I saw something that I hadn't seen in twenty five years.
There they were, the modern day representatives of Nathan Bedford Forrest recruiting members for the local klavern resurrecting the American Third Reich of the Knights of the Invisible Empire better know and the Ku Klux Klan.
The Klansmen were the center of attention of the local newspaper, the big city television stations and elated that their message would be broadcast to the world generating renewed interest in the group. Of course local representative of our national intelligence organizations were also in attendance observing the Klan exercising the First Amendment right of freedom of speech. The local bystanders were mixed in their interest and reactions to the Klansmen. Some in agreement, some angry enough and threatening to resort to violence to stop what they perceive as the epitome of Anti-American values.
I thought that I had seen the last of the Klan rallies in 1986 when a preacher of the local Pentecost church in Foley Alabama led the push to stop the Klan from burning three crosses each year in the city park at Christmas. Rev. Paul Wiley did literally risk his life as he spoke at the "Christmas Festival" planning group telling them that the three crosses that they were planning to burn in the park were icons of the Christian religion that represented Grace, Sacrifice and Forgiveness and "Will Not be turned into a public statement of shame as long as he was alive." His words "as long as he was alive" was the relevant statement that the Klan was in agreement with.
There are many problems with organizations like the Ku Klux Klan some of them I feel necessary to mention. One, there is no one KKK. The Klan has fragmented into more than 40 separate factions of varying sizes across the nation. Without a unified leadership some factions commit acts that should bring condemnation but when claimed it was necessary in fulfilling Klan constitutions, bylaws or Imperial commands the other factions unite in their defense of the actions committed in it's name. In order to become a Klansman a person is required to take an oath swearing absolute allegiance to the Klan and it's leadership. It binds men to obey unconditionally laws they know nothing about and laws that might be enacted in the future. The Klan member places allegiance to the Ku Klux Klan ahead of allegiance to the government of the United States. The Klan acknowledges mob rule and the use of methods carrying out it's view contrary to the laws of the land. Also, the five tenets of the oath of the Ku Klux Klan sound like many of the oaths and pledges of a lot of fraternal organizations except the local college fraternity usually doesn't participate in burning, bombing, hangings and other varied forms of murder preceding of after the local homecoming
I've seen it and it is a frightening thought that the largest terrorist-hate group in America is rising again to create change in America thorough extra ordinary means. Of all the enemies of this country I can say without hesitation that the Ku Klux Klan is a perfect example mentioned in the oath of office of the President of the United States to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies Foreign and Domestic.
Not only does the Ku Klux Klan spew hatred of African Americans, Catholics and Jews one of their original espoused hatred of immigrants defiling their concept of 'One Hundred Percent American" is now being embraced by people who in the past largely ignored them.
I think the most troublesome thing that really bothered me was the small child dressed up like his daddy. Yet another generation to carry on the old family tradition.
I'm John Q.
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It has been, at times, particularly in the deep south, but not only there, that the greater grievance has been the failure of the justice system to do their duty to punish those who crossed the boundary from free speech to criminal activity.
Transgressions by the Klan, and other such entities, would have been sharply curtailed had not the legal system been in league with them.
John Q. I have great respect for you, and the interesting topics you bring to your blog. Not that it really matters, but any disagreements I have with you are usually focused on nuance, as opposed to disagreeing with your basic position.
-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Mar 15, 2011, at 10:59 AM
OKR, what I know about the KLAN by living in communities where they existed is that it doesn't take long after a free speech comment or suggestion is made that some of them will take it to heart and act. I applaud your steadfast stand for freedom of speech as I agree with your position. It's just a tragedy that that Constitutional right is sometimes abused in conspiracies to commit horrendous crimes.
-- Posted by John Q. on Tue, Mar 15, 2011, at 10:30 AM
Assault, battery, libel, and slander are crimes distinguishable from free speech, and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
J. Q. once those that you describe as "lawless" are just that, but only when they step beyond free speech.
I don't think anyone here is failing to attempt to distinguish free speech from criminal behavior.
Folks may wear white robes, and burn crosses at a private venue where they are not trespassing. Folks may not engage in the same behavior on someone's lawn in the dark of the night.
-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Mar 14, 2011, at 11:59 PM
MrXray, Where does free speech end and trying to incite a riot begin? Too many times that is term that would be made during the destruction of homes and businesses by a lawless group. Those who would participate in such acts could be described as animals. No more and no less are those who walk around in robes with pointy hats and are will to kill or maim people and destroy lives all in the name of 100% Americanism.
-- Posted by John Q. on Mon, Mar 14, 2011, at 3:37 PM
Good to see your libertarian colors flying X-ray. I concur with your expression regarding limitations on freedom of speech.
-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Mar 13, 2011, at 1:04 PM
A little background. I served in the active duty Army, my father and Uncles served in WWII and Korean war eras, some in combat, some between years of war. My son just returned from Afghanistan. I hate the Westboro Church and its actions simply because their distortion of what they refer to as religion. I think that people belonging to the KKK or other organizations such as the New Black Panters are ALL wrong because they do NOT stand up for realistic values and are mostly HATE groups based on ideals that fall outside common sense and outside of reality.
I think that we have to have the ability to exercise our freedom of speech, even for wacked out groups that 99% of our population disagree with and hate and find apalling. IF we take the first step to accept an infringement on this right then each subsequent step at limiting speech will be easier and have less resistance until we are left with Government mandated definitions of what speech is acceptable and what speech is not. Do we want a nation where the government can shut down the internet our our internet access simply because the politicians in power do not like what I am saying?
-- Posted by mrxray on Sat, Mar 12, 2011, at 3:31 PM
I hear you. I think the reason we arent screaming from the core of our beings is that we are continually shocked by the fact that we actually need to tell a grown adult that they are going to have to get along with people who may disagree with them or have different cultural values that may rub against theirs.
it blows my mind that people actually think that we can have divisions on the basis of religion, color, political views, or region of origin.
Pick up any objective record of history that spans more than 100 years and see how seperation works as a policy. is anybody here old enough to rememnber Birmingham Alabama?
-- Posted by BigFatGuy on Fri, Mar 11, 2011, at 9:36 AM
Today hate speech is promoted in mainstream media by folks like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and most at Fox News. Its usually tied into some political issue to give it creedence and to promote this divisiveness along political lines.
Here in Missouri the voters voted in Roy Blunt who has ties to a group CCC in which part of their motto is to keep the races from mixing. So even though most of us speak out against this type of behavior we dont speak LOUD ENOUGH!
-- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Mar 8, 2011, at 11:06 AM
how come only the most ridiculous and outlandish garbage, spewed forth by the biggest idiots is the stuff that makes news?
does the old anicdote:"if it bleeds it leads" really hold true? I would like to think otherwise but I dont hold out much hope.
-- Posted by BigFatGuy on Mon, Mar 7, 2011, at 3:18 PM
our major concern shouldn`t be that it is legal to mock a fallen soldier at his own funeral, in front of the people who love(d)him most, with some of the most Vile and disgusting sentiments and chants available in the English language.
our concern should be that he is dead on the orders of a government that honors the soldier at home and treats him with the upmost respect with one hand and with the other disgraces him by sending him to kill or be killed in the name of oil, or political might, or most revolting of all FLAT OUT LIES!
-- Posted by BigFatGuy on Mon, Mar 7, 2011, at 3:14 PM
If I confronted those sick, perverted wretches that make up the Westboro Baptist Church, I would roar at the top of my lungs that they should drop to their knees, and immediately thank their God for the opportunity to live in a country where they are free to say whatever they wish instead of illogically condemning the United States of America that gives them the very freedom to speak what they believe. Where else are they going to find that?
It does surprise me that Baptists do not show up by the thousands at their every appearance, to show the nation that these creatures are not Baptists, and that Baptists condemn their position. The lack of such demonstration could be construed as silent approval. I wonder if Baptists would not respond, under their banner, in greater numbers if some small sect calling themselves Baptist, with a Baptist banner, was publically, vociferously, and graphically advocating homosexual relations?
-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Mar 7, 2011, at 1:03 AM
Cheetah it's all good.
I probably go a little more radical on free speech issues than most folks on the left or the right.
It is to me our most precious freedom, and I choose to look at all other remedies long, and hard, (especially counter free speech) before taking that right from anyone, even those who stand on a soap box, glorify Hitler, and avow that the holocaust never happened, even those worse than that. To me unimpeded hate speech is the most positive proof that we have genuine free speech.
The problem to me is that if someone, or some group has the power to decide what portion of our free speech is to remain, and what is to be curtailed, how can we be certain that there will not be mistakes made by the deciders bending to the force of powerful social currents, in certain circumstances? I believe enforcement of laws as they exist afford us adequate legal remedy, especially when combined with the use of social remedy available to an engaged, and informed citizenry.
-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Mar 7, 2011, at 12:34 AM
Yes Cathy the group eventually ended their demonstration and proceeded to some private property belonging to one of the Klan members and burned both an American flag and a cross at a night gathering. The demonstration was the result of complaints raised because one of the Klansmen flies the Stars and Bars on his property. The large flag at the sports complex was not molested. It can only be raised and lowered by a mechanical device to keep it secure and out of reach.
-- Posted by John Q. on Sat, Mar 5, 2011, at 7:50 AM
SC you said "These men and women (justices), took an oath with their hand on a bible. That bible clearly states in several places that the actions and attitudes of these groups are wrong on every level."
I just wanted to make clear that the Bible is used by the Justices only as a symbolic tool to affirm the veracity of their pledge. They do not swear to uphold the content of the bible, just the content of the Constitution. The Justices can not, or at least, should not, use anything other than the Constitution, its appendages, and precedent of settled law, to determine the limits of free speech. So, happily in my opinion, what the bible says in regard to ugly speech is irrelevant to any legal decision they make as to the limits of speech. In my opinion such separation is an intended result caused by the framers of our Constitution.
Again, this is no more than my opinion, but I believe the ultimate remedy to these bizarre hate mongers is muffling their message with very loud counter free speech, and the age old remedy of shunning. Whether by the roar of Harleys, fervently sung hymns, or the caterwauling of an angry mob, it is all legal, and will surely mute their relatively weak voice.
We do not have to wait for a court to bar their activity. We as citizens too often sit back, and wait for an ultimate decree as it slowly winds its way through the court system. Then if disatisfied with the result, we carp, ignoring our own earlier opportunity for more expedient action. We should consider our failure to proactively use our own freedom of speech. Should we reconsider, and act, it would be a shining moment for the American citizenry.
-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Mar 4, 2011, at 11:52 PM
John, you didn't say if the flag was actually burned - just that it was the plan. Did the people you saw talking about really do it?
-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Mar 4, 2011, at 9:20 PM
I agree with your feelings toward Phelps, the KKK, and other hate groups but for a different reason.
Everyone seems to have gotten the impression somehow that since we have the first ammendment to the constitution, that means anything goes.
This, of course, is not true. Freedom of speech does not mean you are free to slander, or commit libel, against another. You are not free to incite riots or induce others to commit crimes with your speech. You are not free to create dangerous situations with your 'free speech' (no shouting fire in a crowded theater). There are also many precidents set against hate crimes, including hate speech against race, creed, or color.
So in my view, we have many good examples of where totally 'free speech' does more harm than good. I can not see where spewing hate speech and calling for the death of others who do not agree with you does not fall in the category of harmful speech. I am baffled by the Phelps ruling, and that he, or the Klan for that matter, are free to continue down their hateful, dangerous paths.
Where do these justices think the incentive for the nut-job in Arizona to kill what he thought were his enimies came from? How many idiots are going to mouth off about shooting Obama before somebody decides it's ok to go ahead?
Sad times in America are here in my opinion. My generation seems to have lost sight of logic and reason. "Truthiness" reigns supreme.
It is the age of "the constitution doesn't say I can't say 'God Hates Fags' so it's all ok" and other such drivel. Or, one of my favorites, "you can't prove I'm lying so I must be telling the truth."
The constitution also doesn't say that rich dudes can't buy politicians, so that must be ok too. After all, it's thier right to 'free speech' that was the basis for that decision.
What a bunch of idiots we, meaning all Americans on either side of any issue, have become. Loophole logic has created an environment where everything is decided based on the exception, or the fringe, not the greater good.
We boomers have always been really good at streching the rules and finding the exception. We have always thought we were a clever bunch, but now our chickens are coming home to roost, I fear.
-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Mar 4, 2011, at 5:18 PM
Unforunatly our consitution gives everyone the freedom to say pretty much what is on their mind, we as a civial and I use that term loosly socity need to determine for our selves whether or not their B.S. is worth listening to or not. If it isn't then go on your merry little way and let them talk to the wind.
-- Posted by midniterebel on Fri, Mar 4, 2011, at 3:10 PM
there alot more power with the educated and openminded people of the world because they have the ability (not always exercised) to see things as they are not as they have been presented.
as the ignorant and hateful rise and spew their bile we have to banish this darkness not with violence but truth and education/information.
nobody with accurate info and a knowlege of world economics can see a functional future where hate is common place.
-- Posted by BigFatGuy on Fri, Mar 4, 2011, at 9:43 AM
Another sign of the apocalypse brewing in America.
So, apparently if you are in a town hall meeting hosted by a Republican congressman in Georgia, you can make threatening remarks against the president and the result is laughter, not arrest, not even emmbarassment.
I reckon we going to sit back and consider this free speech also? Especially in light of the shooting of Representative Giffords.
-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Mar 3, 2011, at 4:39 PM
Jeeez! I hate to aggree with John Q and Smart dog at the same time but fellas..... you guys hit the nail on the head, squarely, and plenty hard.
good work.
-- Posted by BigFatGuy on Thu, Mar 3, 2011, at 3:03 PM
Smart Dog you said "I see the decline of America happening, but it sure ain't porn and teenage sex that is bringing us down. It is the divisiveness of modern politics and the promotion of hate that will be our undoing." To that I will say AMEN.
-- Posted by John Q. on Thu, Mar 3, 2011, at 12:35 PM
When, exactly, did our judicial system in America loose the ability to tell right from wrong?
This story of the KKK, and thier apparent "right to exist" reminds me of Phelps and his Westboro Baptist Church's "right to free speech." Hogwash.
Hate speech, whether against gays or blacks or immigrants, has no place in our society. I think most reasonable folks can see this so why can't our judges and legislators?
I am all for questioning authority, and allowing for dissenting opinions in our democracy, but we seem to be promoting hate, and in some cases violence, in our country against anyone who does not share our particular views on what constitutes life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Let's face it, just about anybody who is honest will tell you that they have heard at least one person make some sort of racist or even more threatening remark about our current president.
When did our supposed "moral compass" become so misdirected that people who call themselves "family values christians" allow thier friends and neighbors a pass on support for the KKK or a call to assasinate our nations first black president?
I see the decline of America happening, but it sure ain't porn and teenage sex that is bringing us down. It is the divisiveness of modern politics and the promotion of hate that will be our undoing.
-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Mar 3, 2011, at 10:15 AM
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Comments: Just received the Vapor 9 Tours today. Overall, I'm extremely impressed. High quality. Low center of
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From: Zivko, 6/13
Comments: Super comfortable and low to the ground feel. They are light and flexible which is great for all day
comfort. They have a very low arch support and the treads wear out faster than any other shoe I have worn. This is my 4th pair
and each lasts me about 2 months before I wear a hole through the soles. The most comfortable shoe ever but extremely
expensive for the amount of durability you get with these shoes.
From: SK, 6/13
Comments: It's the obvious choice if you want performance and comfort. I've used both the Ballistics and the
Vapors. Ballistics are great for everything, training, tournaments, you name it. I would use the Vapors for training but they don't
last very long (and weren't designed to last long). It performs well for a light, stable, fast and comfortable court shoe. The footbox
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From: Ryan, 5/13
Comments: Best tennis shoe I have ever owned!
From: Randy, 5/13
Comments: Very good shoes. For one, they're aesthetically pleasing -- the cosmetics are well-designed and nice on
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Awesome shoes!
From: Brian, 5/13
Comments: By far most comfortable shoe on the market. But they wear out pretty fast, so if you can afford to bay
new pair every two weeks. They crack at the upper part after two weeks of use. I was disappointed and bought another pair. Still a
great performing shoe, but unfortunately, the same happened again after two weeks.
From: Ivan, 5/13
Comments: I go through shoes within a month of tennis and I have to admit these are by far the best pair I have
owned. They fit nice and light. I would recommend these to those who slide even on hard courts. Although I've only had them for
a couple of weeks the soles remain intact.
From: Reks, 4/13
Comments: Great shoes, however, I'm disappointed as I saw cracks on both sides of the top of the shoes (outer side
around little toe) after 4 months. I play 3 hours a day, twice a week. The sole remains fine. Tennis Warehouse advised to return
them for inspection.
From: Mihir, 4/13
Comments: I love this shoe -- great fit and very light. The shoe feels like an extension of my foot. That being said,
I'm curious if anyone has found the newest color way (navy/green) to be wider in the toe box?
From: Mark, 4/13
Comments: These are honestly the best tennis shoes that I have ever worn. The lacing system is so convenient.
When playing a match, I can adjust the shoe if I want to play an intense match or an easy going match by easily tightening or
loosing the laces. The shoe is quite stable in my opinion. Honestly, I kind of dislike the color scheme of the shoes. However, I
believe that not all Vapors are the same. My first pair of Vapor 9s (black/grey/volt) were quite difficult to move around for some
reason, but the black and pink ones are much more smoother. The durability also seems to be a lot better than my previous
Vapors. So to all those who dislike the shoe, I believe you just bought a poorly made version of the shoe and I just got lucky. Give
these shoes a try. Also, I have a wide foot and I use a different insole for more comfort.
From: Davis, 4/13
Comments: The most comfortable shoe I have ever owned. I went through many shoes, naming them the
quintessential tennis shoe (Barricade 5 and 6, CB 3.3 and 4.3, Zoom 2K12s were all of my former picks) but this was a definite
standout. I found this shoe to be like pillows on my feet. Surprisingly, I'm not having any durability issues and that's expected
from a player who plays 8 hours plus for high school. My only gripe would be the slippage I get. I found myself slipping probably
from that plastic in the middle (somebody else mentioned this as well) but all in all this shoe is a keeper. I'm also getting a lot of
compliments as well!
From: Andy, 4/13
Comments: Spectacular shoe. Nike does a great job again in developing a lightweight shoe that provides support
and is incredibly good looking. The only problems I encountered are in the arch and durability. I have a high arch and had to use
insoles for these shoes, so if you have a high arch, only buy these shoes if you plan on putting insoles in. And the second problem
is the durability. As great and amazing as these shoes are, I wore them down in 3 weeks. And I am only playing 4-5 days a week,
2 hours a day usually. But if I could, I would keep buying these shoes and keep wearing them. Highly recommend.
From: Dimitri, 4/13
Comments: Although this shoe provides great comfort, good support and many other good characteristics, the
shoe is very disappointing when it comes down to wear. After just a couple of weeks, both shoes started to show cracks at the top
front of the shoes. My feet are quite wide but didn't expect these shoes would tear down so fast!
From: Toon, 4/13
Comments: This shoe is the best in terms of comfort, feel, and maneuverability. This is my favorite court shoe by
far. Only down side to this shoe is it doesn't last as long as the Courtballistics. I'm still willing to buy these though because they
feel and play so great.
From: Scott, 4/13
Comments: This shoe needs a 6 month sole durability refund because the outsole is to thin for it to last like the
Courtballistec. Only reason why I won't buy them.
From: Roger, 3/13
Comments: This is the single greatest tennis shoe I have ever had on my feet! And I have worn a lot of tennis shoes
in my day. I have tried almost all the high end shoes out there, and this one really takes the cake. I have long been a fan of the
Vapor series, but the Vapor 9 is clearly the best one Nike has produced. I have only 2 complaints. Sole durability could be better,
as I blow through a pair of these in a month. Mind you, I play a lot of tennis. Lastly, why make the greatest tennis shoe ever, and
then offer it in the worst color combinations conjured up by mankind? Pink/black? Bright tennis ball yellow? Orange/white? You
can't be serious?
From: Kevin, 3/13
Comments: These felt like a cross between a basketball shoe and a low-to-the ground training shoe, except the
sole has the XDR rubber which makes it a little stiffer albeit more durable. I think this is as good as it gets when it comes to tennis
shoes. The only improvements I would suggest would be putting the XDR in only specific spots rather than in 2 big patches for
improved flex, but I suppose that would increase costs, and may not work for every one. Lately the color ways seem to be a little
silly looking though.
From: Anon, 3/13
Comments: Very light and fast. No need to brake them in.
From: Jose, 3/13
Comments: These shoes feel great and are very bright which in my book is always a great thing, however they do
not tend to last very long. After about 2 or 3 weeks the wear is very noticeable, but all in all these shoes are fantastic
From: Daniel, 3/13
Comments: These shoes are a pretty good mix between performance and support. I like their weight and the "low
to ground" profile. I can move pretty well in this shoe. The breathability is good. I have had a couple of Nike pairs and this one is
the best so far in term of ventilation. Fitting is very good for me. I have narrow feet and this shoe fits nicely but is not too tight not
too roomy. However, the cushion is somewhat a little too thin. They have to compromise things between performance and
protection. It is understandable. I agree with one reviewer about it being "too grippy." I almost rolled overed once. I don't know
about durability since I don't care much about it unless they are really below par. Bottom line, it is a good pair. Nike did a good
job on this one. However, it still cannot beat the Asics Gel 2.
From: Joe, 3/13
Comments: I have read the reviews and decided to give the Vapor 9 a try as I dont play as often as I used to, so
shoe wear was not really an issue for me. The shoe feels great, very light and stable. I normally wear a size 9.5 and that is what I
purchased and found them to be a little big. My toe seems to be swimming a good 1/4-1/2 inch at the end of the shoe. My next
pair will be a size 9.
From: Peter, 2/13
Comments: I love these shoes as I have been playing with the Vapor series now for over a year, but they don't seem
to last. I buy a new pair every 4 to 6 weeks as the soles are simply gone and the under-soles are coming out. Maybe the 20 hrs
of play per week doesn't help.
From: Reto, 2/13
Comments: As with most Nikes, durability is way below avearage. After one hour of play, I can already see the wear
in the toe areas. It is comfortable to put on, but the lateral support (coming from Barricade 7s) is average. It's better suited for
soft courts or the artificial turf. For hard courts, go for the B7s.
From: Mark, 1/13
Comments: Best shoe ever. If you drag your toe at all or drag your foot at all on your serve or anything, don't buy
these. I would recommend the new Breathe Cage's, as they're amazing! They have the durability of the Ballistecs but the flexibility
and comfort of the Vapors!
From: Will, 1/13
Comments: They wear through quick but they are very comfortable, especially if you have wide feet. They ran a
little small as I had to get size 11 when I usually wear 10.5. Great lateral support and very light. I'm a big guy and the shoes
never feel flimsy. Great shoe overall.
From: Ed, 1/13
Comments: I bought these shoes about 3 months ago and really love the feel. They are light and extremely
comfortable, almost like a sock. The thing is however that I have seriously twisted my ankle twice in 3 weeks wearing these shoes,
so I wonder if this is because of the shoes. I am rather heavily built but run a lot on the court. I don't know if there are other
people who had the same problem with these shoes. If so, I might have to go back to the traditional and more heavy sturdy shoes.
From: Kurt, 1/13
Comments: All I have to say is that I love these shoes. I play tennis 5 days a week on average and these shoes keep
my feet from hurting and are just great all around. The light weight of these shoes is great. I know all the other comments say the
shoes wear out too quickly. I do agree with that statement, however it is difficult to make a shoe this light and have it still be
durable. I think it's worth the money since I bought my pair on sale.
From: Anthony, 1/13
Comments: I am 50. I wear a size 13 and have a slightly narrow foot. I am a bit over 6'3" and weigh around 215
lbs. I play a combination of singles and doubles for about 8 hours a week. These are easily the most comfortable tennis shoes
that I have worn. However, for $130, the soles wear much too quickly. I consider this a design defect that Nike will need to
address before I consider buying this shoe again.
From: Frank, 1/13
Comments: Awesome shoes, very comfortable and form fitting. The first thing that I noticed when I first tried on
the Nike Zoom was how it hugged my feet, and how strong and comfortable it really is. Out on the court it allowed me to move
effortlessly, and gave me a very secure feel. I am a 4.5 player and play several times per week, and at the end of a match or
sparring session my feet and toes feels great. I am liking them a lot.
From: Maximilian, 1/13
Comments: I purchased these for my son. It's a comfortable shoe but he wore them for 5 weeks, approximately 20
hours and the shoe developed a hole in the toe. I sent them back to Nike and they said since it wasn't a workmanship flaw, they
would not give a refund or replace them. I would not recommend.
From: Sandy, 12/12
Comments: The fit on these shoes is comfortable, but the soles wear out very quickly. Mine are almost to the point
were I can't wear them, and I haven't even owned them for three months.
From: Kris, 12/12
Comments: I'm returning to tennis after a 10 year hiatus, as I started playing again in late 2008. I have worn Roger
Federer's shoes religiously starting with the Vapor 4 shoes. I have owned and played in every version since and would have to say
this is the best Vapor shoe I have ever worn on court. The only downside is that the soles wear out quickly. My only wish would be
for a 6 month outsole warranty.
From: Ralph, 12/12
Comments: First off, I like to say thank you Nike for an awesome shoe in the Nike Vapor 9. It's low to the ground,
giving the shoe great ground control. It improves your speed due to the running shoe last, and it being lightweight. The support
is excellent. The upper is light and well designed, as Chris from TW said, it custom fits to your feet. Awesome. The downside is
the durability of the outer sole is not great. And the plastic that connects the forefoot and heel outer sole causes slippage. You
can watch on YouTube of Berdych and Federer, two of the players with arguably the best footwork, slip and fall in transition. But
for the rest of us mere mortals, the club players, and weekend warriors, this shoe is four stars if not five.
From: Anon, 12/12
Comments: For the over 55 year old tennis players, this may not be the men's shoe for you. As I have aged my
arches on my feet have flattened out, requiring me buy a wider fitting shoe (it happens to us all eventually). Still, I bought these
shoes in my normal size but could not wear them as there was no give in the width of the shoe. They are neat looking shoes but I
believe the toe box is too narrow for older players, unless you have narrow feet to begin with. So, I have purchased from Tennis
Warehouse the Asics Gel Game 3 men's shoes in the recommended one half size larger and they fit my widening and aging feet
perfectly. As a side note, the personal recommendations by the Tennis Warehouse staff are, to me, usually spot on. Indeed, if they
recommend a size smaller or larger in a shoe you should listen to their opinion.
From: Jack, 12/12
Comments: This shoe is so awesome! I like it way more than the Court Ballistec 4.3.
From: Zackary,12/12
Comments: Hey, let's make a $130.00 shoe, not include a 6 month warranty, and make the soles of these shoes as
least durable as possible. This shoe is the most comfortable tennis shoe I have ever played in. However, the durability of the
outsole is lacking. If you're a baller and can afford new kicks every few weeks (granted you're an actual tennis player and hit 2+
hours a day), then this is your shoe of choice. If you're ballin' on a budget, give Adidas a try.
From: T, 12/12
Comments: I have been a Nike Vapor user for several years and have to say that this "complete redesign" is a
disappointment. One of the main reasons I like the Vapor is because I have a narrow foot and was able to get a snug fit in the toe
box. The new design has a much wider toe box, and if your foot is narrow, you will find it difficult to avoid having unwanted
"sliding room" in the front of your foot. In addition, the mesh material used in the upper shoe is not very durable, and I have
succeeded in tearing both shoes in about 3 months. With Nike's high price point, the shoe is not a good value. This is all a
downer as the old design was really perfect from my standpoint. Apparently, they can never leave well enough alone. I will be
looking at other brands for my next pair.
From: Roger, 10/12
Comments: I just bought a pair of the black/fluorescent (model from a few months ago) and am very happy. Looks
real cool. Right out of the box comfort. Good support but light enough to be nimble. The toe box is wide and very unlike usual
(I have been a loyal Barricade 5 and 7 fan. Skippped the 6 as toe box too narrow). I don't expect it to last like the B7s, which is a
typical Nike drawback, but I got it at 50% discount and thus won't complain even if it doesn't last.
From: Marv, 10/12
Comments: These are great shoes that are very durable, breathable, and lightweight. I highly recommend these
They are great for any surface.
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Skip to comments.Maine's Republican Chairman Accuses Blacks of Voter Fraud
Posted on 11/15/2012 7:48:52 AM PST by tonyome
Maine Republican Party Chairman Charlie Webster is once again alleging possible voting irregularities, this time claiming that groups of unknown black people showed up in some rural towns to vote on Election Day.
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Can you imagine the courage this takes? Go, buddy, go! Yeah, there are hardly any blacks in Maine at all.
I believe my precinct has two black voters but they're conservatives.
12% of the population and they have all the power now. Lots of stupid whites on the dole voted for the organizer of community illiterates. Corruption, deceit, theft and the like sell very well to libs, progs, and parasites.
Were there enough black vote fraud to affect the presidential or senatorial races in Maine? I was under the impression that it was a safe Zero state (for whatever reason), so why would they be wasting their time doing this?
Col West has opened the door.
We must fight election fraud.
It falls on We the People.
Silence is consent
Theres overwhelming evidence of fraud.- Here
SARAH PALIN speaks out on Twitter about massive Obama machine voter fraud:
>Sarah Palin News @SarahPalinLinks Between suppression of the military vote and voter fraud, Obama stole another election. http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/46302 DEMAND A RECOUNT! #VoterFraud
>Sarah Palin News @SarahPalinLinks People need to stop pointing fingers within the GOP and investigate the Dems' massive voter fraud and suppression of the military vote.
>MITT ROMNEY in 2012! @PlanetRomney #tcot The Competent Conservative: Elections Have Not Yet Been Certified, Heres What You Can Do:
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These elections are NOT certified yet. The only way to get this investigated, much less recounted or overturned, is through the Secretary of State of each of the five key states: Florida, Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. EVEN IF YOU ARE IN ANOTHER STATE you can help. But it wont do any good to dilute our effort to challenge California or Michigan or other states. Until a major group gets involved to do more, here is the plan: Contact the Secretary of State of the state in question. See contact information below...
Read the rest- Here
The website,'Barack Obama Vote Fraud 2012' is keeping a running account of cases of voter fraud and what to do about it:
(Astonishing!) > Visit the site- Here
Sign this petition- Here
Another website:
Is There Enough Evidence of Voter Fraud To Merit a Recount? If you wish to add your voice, click here and sign the petition for a recount Here-
< Hannity and Col Allan West slam voter fraud Nov 12- Here
Photo of SOMALIANS brought to Ohio voting stations by the busload, 95% of whom did not speak English, and told to vote for Obama, straight Dem ticket- Here
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We can not wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned distruction of America. That's what people fail to understand.
We must act NOW.
Start with the election. If we let the Rats get away with this massive voter fraud, we're no better than a bananna republic.
We must keep digging and pounding him every day, in every way we can- phony birth certificate, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, his hidden life, records....
We are FReepers. We must fight!
Those who shrug and accept this atrocity without a fight are not worthy to be called Freepers!
Join us!! See thread, 'BARACK OBAMA FRAUD 2012- (MUST READ- MUST GO VIRAL!)' thread- Here
As long as anyone allows the charge of racism to affect them we are going to get pounded no matter what we do.
Whatcha gonna do? The agenda is to get revenge at the voting booth. They could care less about your accusations, and with a complicit media, they will be able to turn the table on you with the Race Card.
We need to learn to play the game better than they do. It's time to take off the gloves and go bareknuckle. It's no use to try to elevate a corrupt opponent to honorable status.
Jesse and Al booking their flights to Marine as you read this
It should be easy to verify from voter rolls. Voter fraud is out of control. People need to go to jail in mass.
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Obama's victory will always be tainted. What happened in Philadelphia and other urban districts was a statistical impossibility. Even if the fraud was not enough to change the outcome, (and it is by no means certain it was not) every elected public official who took an oath to uphold and defend should be clamoring for a thorough investigation. Otherwise rational people will conclude that voting is a useless exercise.
Would repubs PLEASE quit playing into the "conservatives are racists" meme so freakin' often!?
You just make it way to easy for the left sometimes.
When asked what towns this occurred in, the GOP Chairman couldn't name any.
If he doesn't have any facts, he should shut up. Maine doesn't need an Aiken.
"When Carrigan pressed Webster on where it happened, Webster provided no specifics or proof of his claims, but said the party would investigate further.
Its just a simple fact of life that the vast majority of rural towns are virtually all white. It doesn't indicate racism it just means that people gravitate to where they like to be.
There are exceptions but the simple fact is that blacks tend to gravitate to the cities. For that matter, white folks in the cities tend to think far less of me than I do of blacks.
12% of the population, but what percentage of the vote did they have? 36%?
This was done largely in Maine's 2nd District. Maine splits their electoral votes, and for a while Romney was leading in that district. Obama only won the 2nd distrit by 4 or 5 % as it was. This is why they would send it illegal voters to throw it.
How dare he tell the truth. Local media isn't interested in the truth; they just want to hear Praise for Obamugabe.
Events like this drive a greater wedge between whites and negroes than even Bronco Bama!
I am perplexed on how amnesty for illegals drove Hispanics to vote for Obama.
If Hispanics are voting then they must be US citizens right? After all only US citizens can vote! If they want amnesty for themselves, then they cannot be US citizens and they could not have voted!
It is clearly that millions of illegal Hispanic migrants voted in this election, clearly states like Florida which have Republicans secretary of state should have done a better job of enforcing the election rules.
Lets see how this plays out
Huh, and oddly enough no specific town or voting location has been offered by Webster so his claims can't be verified.
sounds legit.
Those who shrug and accept this atrocity without a fight are not worthy to be called Freepers!
I was doing my best to vote against socialism long before i even heard of freepers.
We have a large mass of unskilled semiliterate people refusing to do the only work they qualify for.
I live in the 2nd district in Maine and went to vote on Tuesday, November 6. Before I was issued a ballot, I was asked where I lived and after I gave them my name, it was recorded on the sheet with names and address that I voted.
So busloads of blacks coming into the district and voting
is somewhat unlikely. Also, Maine has voter registration.
It is very possible that there was some voter fraud, there is a large Somalian population in Lewiston/Aburn which is part of the CD-2, but enough to change the outcome in any race, doubtful.
My little town has one black family. The oldest son got over that "Not a white man's slave" syndrome pretty quickly when the only friends he had were all white farmboys. He works full time on the farm down the lake from me.
The kid is getting some real skills in everything from planting and harvesting to welding and construction.
anyone in maine have a camera or pictures? a location at least? check same day registrations
Same-day registration is lunacy.
+ 56 other states
Well if all these 100s of people voted who he claims by sight couldnt actually live in those towns then there is such a thing as voter registration. I guess he is saying all these blacks knew who was registered and if they were going to vote and all used different names of those people.
If different people were using the same name to vote in these towns, or the real person voted too, then he could prove that fast.
Is the best Republicans have to offer?
So complaining about crimes committed by privileged minorities is now called "racism."
No doubt voter fraud is rampant. To most of the males, being a criminal is a cool way of life. Look around the world and in cities where affies rule.
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No doubt. I was referring to national demographics.
And if all these blacks turned up to vote in these all white districts then where are the pictures of it happening? Hell most people carry a camera phone.
I want to see the pictures of these black mobs lining up to vote in these all white districts. Who reported seeing this? Charlie himself?
I read a book with that very premise in it.
Some mods don't like the name of the book mentioned, though.
And, no, it's not "the Bell Curve".
That's my question as well. Surely these small townspeople know who lives where -- whether white, black or gray. Why didn't someone say something at the time, take pictures, get license numbers. Surely these people would stand out as would their votes and signatures.
"..Otherwise rational people will conclude that voting is a useless exercise..."
Until Governor Corbett launches a full investigation, and until he refuses to allow the vote total to be certified until there is absolute proof of zero fraud - and until every other damned Republican governor in swing states does the same damn thing if even the REMOTEST HINT of fraud is alleged, well,then, it IS a useless exercise.
In Philly PA, it's abundantly clear that the Dems stole the election through fraudulent votes. If they got away with in Philly, it's highly probable it happened in ALL the so-called swing states as well.
And our side does....NOTHING...not a peep, no a platoon of screaming lawyers, nothing. Romney didn't fight back, Ryan didn't fight back. Just whining.
The only one who IS fighting is Allen West, he's a combat vet, and he knows who these dirtbags really are. And the GOP establishment seems to be letting him swing in the wind.
No wonder the democoms laugh at us - they get away with sh*t this with impunity.
When you back down from a bully every time, there's a REASON he'll think you're a p*ssy every time he sees you.
That's the GOP to me right now. P*ssified RINOs afraid of their own shadows. Afraid to call this guy and his worthless commie party exactly what they are.
Maine splits electoral votes, so maybe they wanted to make sure Romney didn't sneak away with 1 or 2.
The pics are out there. They're just not on this thread.
According to this website, there are at least 45000 Somalis living in Ohio, 40% of them are US citizens, and 25% speak English well enough to get a job.
Speaking English and arriving in a car are not requirements for voter eligibility. As long as they are citizens and properly registered, the fact that these people are voting is not voter fraud.
And this is actually a photo of AMERICANS.
Just use the census and voter rolls. Then call a select number of voters as a sample. Match the up by precinct. Voter fraud is easy to prove statistically.
Now, can you prosecute, convict and reverse?
Sounds like a nice place to retire to.
As an official, you have the power to do something about all the voter fraud.
Freeze the present voter rolls. They are so contaminated, they are useless.
All voters must re-register with a photo ID & proof tht they are a citizen and legally allowed to vote.
Stop all motor voter laws.
Stop provisional ballots.
Stop absentee ballots being used in cases where the voter is possible mentally unable to vote & staff members at the retirement home are actually doing the voting.
Stop students from voting in person at a campus location & voting absentee from the family home location.
Stop the New Black Panthers from intimidating voters.
Stop the use of electronic machines which no one believes are accurate.
Punish voter fraud much more severely. The 400,000 fraudulent registration cards that ACORN was caught with in the 2008 election in Clark County, Nevada, took 2 years to 'prosecute' and the fine was $5000. That equals a penny and a half per card. That is NOT a deterrant.
Anyone who does fraudulent voting should be fined a minimum of $5000 and forbidden from voting for the rest of their lives.
No death certificates should be issueed to settle an estate until every state has bveen notified by the coroner of the death of John Doe, etc. Then states must purge John Doe from their voter rolls, also.
Until the voters rolls are started over, Republicans can depend on future voting fraud to increase more and more. The democrats will lie, cheat & steal to own an election. They did it this time and next time will be worse.
Every Secretary of State in every state should demand a new set of voters rolls.
they're still finding bags of votes stuffed in the corner of buildings here and yes all the fraud and resutls not adding up happened in Dem areas.
Obama never won and I guarantee that Col West won this state too and I guarantee that WI, VA, OH went our way but sadly we do not have enough who ca speak out or even send mail and make calls becaused the poor dears don;t want to be called a name off the media and the left.
Imagine those who are invlved in this scam and then seeing how our side won;t speak up, they must be laughing their heads off at us and now are planning to do another corrupt electio in two eyars and again we;ll hear the GOP, RNC and many in talk radio just say "move on, we lost but we pick ourselves up"
Check those votes in WI, FL, OH, VA the states where the results do not add up at all and then cross ref them with the voter registration rolls
I guarantee that we won those states but alas nothing will be done and in two eyars we;l have the same corrupt election with the same idiots on our side who will say move on we dod not get enough votes we have to reach out.
Trust me I;ve spoken to many who have also said the same but sadly we do not have enough with a public voice in talk radio, GOP , RNC etc who has any balls
just sent to all of them a message how they need to stand up and let our votes be counted and check those who voted and cross ref with voter registration rolls.
This election should nto have been called until those votes have been checked and to hell with the lefts attack dogs called the media
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Throughout the 50's, while the public and the industry were still fully immersed in the idealized realism of the "Cooper look", one artist was forging a unique path of stylized illustration - and getting more than enough work from both advertising and editorial clients: Jan Balet. Part cartoonist, part whimsical storybook illustrator, part fine artist, Balet was the darling of many a magazine art director - especially of women's magazines. Only a handful of illustrators, people like Aurelius Battaglia, Jane Oliver and Thomas Vromann, were producing uniquely stylized work for the mainstream magazines of the 50's, and none of them had as much of a presence on the page as Jan Balet.
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