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10 Pumpkin Beers You're Seeing Before Labor Day and Why
Just after that, we got reports Shipyard Brewing in Portland, Maine, had been putting its pumpkin ales on shelves since late July. The person issuing the report was ecstatic.
By now, it should be an accepted fact that just as supermarkets will begin stocking Halloween candy in their seasonal aisles after Labor Day and department stores will begin hauling out their first Christmas items in mid-September, pumpkin ales will be an end-of-summer staple. It's still a bit jarring and raises the question of who'd want said beer during the summer, but the brewing calendar is becoming as normalized as the retail calendar for reasons driven by both business and human nature.
The fundamental truth behind it is that beer brewers, especially small brewers, operate extremely close to the margins and don't like to have beer laying around when nobody wants it. Jim Koch, founder of Boston Beer
It works the same in just about every season. Summer ales start cropping up in March and are off the shelves by July. Seasonal porters and stouts are a tough find after St. Patrick's Day. Brewers are starting to realize that their drinkers have a very specific window for these beers, and fatigue shuts that window abruptly when July vacations yield to back-to-school planning and Thanksgiving leftovers are cleared out before the winter holidays.
The other motive behind getting the jump on pumpkin brews stems from the fact that they're not exactly a novelty anymore -- all the bigger brewers are picking their own pumpkins. For instance, Samuel Adams now brews its own Pumpkin Ale and toyed with a pumpkin stout before releasing its 8.5% alcohol by volume Fat Jack imperial pumpkin ale in 2011. Demand for pumpkin ale has grown so much within the past decade that Anheuser-Busch InBev
That increased demand and extended brewing calendar is only bringing drinkers more pumpkin ales earlier. Shipyard Brewing cranked up production of its Pumpkinhead ale from 2,100 barrels in 2002 to 30,000 a decade later while extending Pumpkinhead season from August-through-October to late July-through-Thanksgiving to deal with peak demand around the fall holidays.
The number of brewers making pumpkin ale also crowds the patch a bit. There were only about 1,600 breweries in America back in 2009, but there are more than 2,500 now, according to the Beer Association craft beer industry group. If a brewer wants their beer to stand out and doesn't want to be stuck with cases of unconsumed product by Black Friday, a head start never hurts.
Just to give you an example of how prevalent this practice has become, here are just 10 examples of pumpkin beers that have been on shelves since before the umbrellas and coolers in seasonal aisles gave way to backpacks and notebooks:


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Topic: Help! Select Values/Labels not picked up in Edit record mode
I have a simple form for a servicerequest model (create / edit)When I create a a new SR, the proper VALUE is stored in the database just fine (value, not the display label), but when I try to retrieve it in the EDIT view, the select dropdown is NOT picking up the existing value/label and defaulting to the first one in the array.
(the priority is NOT a relationship to another model, all contained in a simple array for now).
What am I missing?
NEW & EDIT views (Both the same):
<%= f.label :priority %><br />
<%= f.select(:priority, [["Stat", "1"], ["Urgent", "2"], ["Regular", "3"], ["Safety", "4"]], { :prompt => "Choose"}) %>
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Over Ziggy per Tomlin press.
Over Ziggy per Tomlin press.
Nice, bout time.
1.25 CB Eli Apple-DB-tOSU
2.58 SS Vonn Bell-DB tOSU
3.89 DT Javon Hargrave-SC State
4.123 DE-Matt Judon-Grand Valley State
6.220 RB-Tyler Erwin-San Jose State
7.229 WR Geronimo Allison-Ilinois
7.246 QB-Cody Kessler-USC
Why not? I think Heyward deserves a chance to show what he can do as a starter. Maybe this move will serve to light a fire under some other underperforming butts.
Here's hoping that he makes the most of the opportunity...
He was a strong side DE in college...
He has pushed the pocket pretty well this season.
Even if Bill Belichick was getting an atomic wedgie, his face would look exactly the same.
I like the fact that he gets his hands up to block passes when he realizes that he won't get to QB.
Only took Tomlin 20 games to realize this...
While we're at it, can we bring Arnfelt up off the PS and get him some reps? And how bout some reps for Fangupo?


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The 2012 Trophy Series Concludes - Page 2
The Trophy Series races listed below have yet to send in complete results. If you are Trophy Series runner and have completed one or more of these events, we encourage you to contact the race directors directly regarding results.
Prickly Pear 10 Mile and 50K Trail Runs
Performance Jetty-2-Jetty Ultramarathon
XTERRA Earth Conservancy Trail Run
Allegheny Front Trail Run
The Legend
Haulin' Aspen Trail Runs
River Valley Run 10K Trail Run
Echo Summit Trail Challenge
Steamboat Stinger
Bergen Peak Trail Race
Bill Flodberg Mount Madonna Challenge
Qdoba DINO Trail Run - SouthWestway
Taos Ski Valley 10K Up And Over Trail Run
Dirt Inspires Womens Trail Half Marathon
Breck Crest
Run Woodstock
Lagoon Valley Trail Run
Dam Half & Dam Full
Timber Trail XT (did not get 5K)
Pajarito Trail Fest
Run for the Toad
Run Off The Grid
Run Crazy Horse
Birkie Trail Run and Trek
Heritage Trail Marathon


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World leaders have failed to deliver commitments made in 2002 to reduce the global rate of biodiversity loss by 2010, and have instead overseen alarming declines in biodiversity. Such were the findings published this month in the leading journal Science, in an article co-authored by Global Footprint Network Senior Scientist Dr. Alessandro Galli.
The report represents the first assessment of how the targets made through the 2002 United Nations Convention on Biological Diversity (CBD) have not been met. At that convention, the world's governments vowed to halt the rate of species declines by 2010.
"Our analysis shows that governments have failed to deliver on the commitments they made in 2002: biodiversity is still being lost as fast as ever, and we have made little headway in reducing the pressures on species, habitats and ecosystems" said Dr Stuart Butchart of the United Nations Environment Programme World Conservation Monitoring Centre and BirdLife International, the paper's lead author.
"Our data show that 2010 will not be the year that biodiversity loss was halted, but it needs to be the year in which we start taking the issue seriously and substantially increase our efforts to take care of what is left of our planet."
Compiling over 30 indicators – measuring different aspects of biodiversity, including changes in species' populations and risk of extinction, habitat extent and community composition – the study found no evidence for a significant reduction in the rate of decline of biodiversity, and found that the pressures facing biodiversity continue to increase.
The indicators included in the study were developed through the 2010 Biodiversity Indicators Partnership – a collaboration of over 40 international organisations and agencies developing the leading source of global biodiversity indicators.
Among these indicators was the Ecological Footprint, which measures the aggregate demand that human activities, through consumption of resources and emission of carbon dioxide, place on the regenerative capacity of our natural ecosystems.
"A better understanding of the connections between the Ecological Footprint and biodiversity loss is fundamental to slowing, halting and reversing the ongoing declines in these ecosystems and in populations of wild species," said Dr. Galli.
Among the drivers of threats to biodiversity are human demand for food, water, energy and materials, according to Galli. Such threats include climate change, pollution, habitat loss, as well as overexploitation of resources and species.
"Since 1970, we have reduced animal populations by 30%, the area of mangroves and sea grasses by 20% and the coverage of living corals by 40%" said the United Nations Environment Programme's Chief Scientist Prof Joseph Alcamo. "These losses are clearly unsustainable, since biodiversity makes a key contribution to human well-being and sustainable development, as recognised by the UN Millennium Development Goals."
Click here to read the report.


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I just ordered an M1A. It should be here Wednesday. I'm excited. I plan on putting it my Martin 000-15S.
I just ordered an M1A. It should be here Wednesday. I'm excited. I plan on putting it my Martin 000-15S.
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"He Who Sings, Prays Twice."
Awesome! Let us know how you like it or if you have questions when it arrives.
Bryan, Having a problem fitting it the soundhole. Suggestions? The diameter of the soundhole is 3 13/16'. It is a Martin 000-15S.
"He Who Sings, Prays Twice."
Hi MikeW,
The clamps that slide up and down in their tracks require some clearance. For soundholes under a certain diameter, and it sounds like yours is in this category, it will be necessary to remove one of the clamps from its slide-track so the pickup can be rested in place. Once set in the hole, the clamp can be slid back into its track, threaded to the screw and tightened up as normal.
Please reply if that isn't clear.
Thanks Bryan, I'll give it a try.
"He Who Sings, Prays Twice."
That did the trick. Sucessfully installed. Could not get the clips on the wire. My hands are to big. What a really great sound. I replaced an I beam passive which sounded a little thin in this guitar.
One more question. If I want just a touch more volume on the lower E string, how much should I turn the pole piece? This is more my style of playing than the pickup.
"He Who Sings, Prays Twice."
Hi Mike,
It depends on how close the exposed pole pieces are to your strings. Guitar setups can vary considerably from player to player. If they are close enough, it may limit how much you can raise the low E pole before the string touches it while vibrating. If you're close to that, you may need to lower the other five in order to increase the one. Adjust to taste.
I think I will lower the other 5. I thinking about 1/8 of a turn to start.
"He Who Sings, Prays Twice."


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Buying and owning your flat
If you have bought the leasehold interest in a flat either through your Right To Buy or on the open market, it simply means you have bought the lease, and you have the right to live in your home for a long period of time, usually up to 125 years. As a leaseholder you are responsible for certain repairs and maintenance, usually to the interior of your home.
Ashfield District Council, as the freeholder, owns the building that you live in and is responsible for looking after the structure and communal areas of the block. Ashfield Homes carries out such repairs and maintenance on behalf of the Council.
If you spot a repair or maintenance problem that is the Council's responsibility, please report a repair to Ashfield Homes Repairs Call Handling Centre.
Leaseholders have a responsibility to pay a Service Charge for your share of the costs of maintaining the block and providing services such as heating and lighting of shared areas, door entry systems and buildings insurance. Full details of the services your building receives are detailed in your Service Charge breakdown, which we will send to you by September of each year.
You may also have to pay your share of the costs of any major works to the block of flats.
As with any house purchase, you also need to consider both immediate costs such as legal fees, stamp duty and a survey, as well as ongoing expenses like the mortgage, Service Charge, utility bills, and repairs to your home.
Services for leaseholders
Services for leaseholders are delivered not only by Ashfield Homes, but by other organisations too, such as Ashfield District Council. It has often been difficult for leaseholders to obtain all the information they may need from one source.
Our Leaseholder Handbook is a direct response to our customers needs. The Handbook is packed with information about all of the services that may affect you. **Please note that the Handbook is currently under review. Should you require any information or assistance please contact our Head Office on 01623 608888.
The Leaseholders Service Standard tells you all about how we will deliver services to you.
Gas Safety
Your gas appliances – get them checked, keep them safe!
For important information from the Health and Safety Executive (HSE), please read their information leaflets.
In partnership with Tomlinsons, our specialist Gas Servicing partner, Ashfield Homes are pleased to offer leaseholders preferential rates for gas appliance servicing and associated property health and safety checks. For further details please contact your Repairs Call Handling Centre on
Tel - 0800 457 4999 or 01623 457999.
Leaseholder Survey
Ashfield Homes carries out an annual Leaseholders Survey of all leaseholders of Ashfield District Council. Your feedback is very important to us, and all responses are used to help us further improve the services we provide to you.
Where can I find out more?
Free advice on all aspects of the leasehold system may be obtained from:
LEASE (The Leasehold Advisory Service)
Tel: 0845 345 1993 or 020 7374 5380
Fax: 020 7374 5373
Email: email@example.com
Website: www.lease-advice.org
LEASE are an independent agency funded by government grant.
Communities and Local Government
Free literature
PO Box NO.236
Tel: 0870 1226 236
Fax: 0870 1207 405
Email: firstname.lastname@example.com
Website: www.communities.gov.uk
Links to:
Leaseholder Service Standard
HSE Gas Safety Leaflet (http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/gasindex.htm)
Communities and Local Government information booklet: Residential Long Leaseholders – A Guide to your Rights and Responsibilities (http://www.communities.gov.uk/publications/housing/booklet)
For housing advice
(01623) 608888
To make an appointment with your Housing Advisor
(01623) 608999
Ashfield District Council Anti-social behaviour
0800 183 84 84 (freephone) or 01623 450000
(line is open 24 hours)
0800 479 4999 (freephone) or 01623 457999
First4Support call centre
(line is open 24 hours)
(01623) 608990
Ashfield District Council after hours emergency line
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Wells Fargo Investor Payoff Requires Warren Buffett-Like Patience
NEW YORK ( TheStreet) -- Wells Fargo's (WFC) largest shareholder -- Warren Buffett -- has seen his investment in the bank recover to pre-crisis levels on steady gains posted by the nation's top mortgage lender.
Investors should take note of that fact in the wake of the bank's record fourth-quarter profit , which raised some near-term earnings questions.
Generally, today's earnings show why Wells Fargo remains a best-in-class bank that has earned Buffett's long term investing imprimatur. All three of Wells Fargo's businesses, community banking, wholesale banking and wealth management grew profits from quarter-ago and year-ago levels.
Those looking for a short-term trade, however, might have been disappointed. Expect Wells Fargo's fundamental growth to be at the head of the banking sector in 2013, even if near-term headwinds prove a concern to some.
Wells Fargo reported better than expected revenue of $21.9 billion and profitability of $5.1 billion, signaling that the bank's steady share performance remains on track heading into 2013.
Meanwhile, the bank's 20% 2012 earnings per share growth reflected impressive momentum and a strengthening position in the recovering U.S. housing market. Wells Fargo is also increasingly returning capital to investors, boosting buybacks by a total of 48 million shares. An increase of Tier 1 capital to 10.12% of risk assets augurs well for Wells Fargo, as it prepares for Federal Reserve mandated stress tests.
On an earnings call with analysts, Wells Fargo chief financial officer Tim Sloan said the bank submitted a capital plan to the Fed that potentially increases its quarterly dividend.
Still, worse than expected interest-based earnings margins and the prospect a refinancing boom wears off cloud Wells Fargo's short-term share performance in the New Year.
Wells Fargo reported its net interest margin -- the difference between what it earns on loans and what it pays to fund them -- fell a greater than expected 10 basis points. The bank's mortgage pipeline, meanwhile, fell 16% to $81 billion in the quarter, while home loan origination and applications fell from quarter-ago levels, signaling some slowing in the housing market.
On the positive side, core loans grew $47.7 billion and the bank's improving loan quality drove a $250 million reserve release.
Jefferies analyst Ken Usdin wrote in a note to clients that the mortgage banking declines came in less than forecast, while steady loan and deposit growth were strong points to Wells Fargo's earnings.
Marty Mosby, a large-cap banking analyst with Guggenheim Partners, said in an interview prior to earnings that any reported net interest margin decline of less than five basis points and loan growth sequentially from the third quarter would be taken positively by investors.
Wells Fargo impressed on one of those fronts, while a greater than expected NIM decline meant overall interest-earnings for the bank fell $249 million to $10.6 billion.


text: Seven firms are preparing to bid for spectrum that will enable them to provide fourth-generation wireless services. Among the suitors, according to regulator Ofcom, are Vodafone Group Plc, Telefonica SA, mobile-phone operators Hutchison Whampoa Ltd. Everything Everywhere, and France Telecom SA. Also bidding will be BT Group Plc, MLL Telecom Ltd., a network service supplier, and HKT, a Hong Kong phone company. The auction, scheduled for next month, will reportedly increase the amount of available airwave for mobile devices by more than 75 percent. Licenses should be granted by Ofcom by March 2013 with services expected to launch in May and June. (Businessweek)(BBC)(Ofcom)


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Ender's Game, the recent film based on the best-selling science fiction novel, offers compelling insight into the idea of human capital, among many other compelling insights (e.g. this one and this one).
In Centesimus Annus, Pope John Paul II wrote, "besides the earth, man's principal resource is man himself." He goes on to emphasize the importance of human knowledge, intelligence, and virtue for human flourishing. In economic terms this idea is known as human capital. While affirming this truth, Ender's Game challenges viewers to consider precisely what they might mean, demonstrating in the characters of Colonel Graff (Harrison Ford) and Ender Wiggen (Asa Butterfield) that the specifics of one's definition makes all the difference. (more…)


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I get:
Johnny Damon
He gets:
Brian Roberts
This is a AL only league with 12 players. Its a very deep league. Right now i'm in 1st place. But i'm thinking about this trade.
I have Erick Aybar who could move to 2nd base for me. If i picked up Johnny i would be dropping Ben Francisco.
What you guys think?


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Executive Director's Report- Week of March 1
Executive Director's Report - Week of March 1, 2010
By Steve Locke
It is a big weekend ahead for USA Field Hockey. The National Indoor Tournament is being held in Virginia Beach, VA, on March 5, 6, and 7 and the turnout is expected to be in record range. KC Collins, USA Field Hockey's Director of Event Logistics, is in charge and reports 172 teams will be competing with a healthy number of college coaches scouting. Simon Hoskins, USA Field Hockey Marketing Director, reports the NIT will have 19 vendors compared to 17 in 2009. A small increase, but still noteworthy.
A new element of this year's NIT will be Town Hall meetings hosted by USA Field Hockey. The idea is to reach out to the various constituencies within the organization to get a point of view. Perspectives, expectations, and hopes for the future vary from person to person/constituency to constituency. Through this method, and others such as surveys, the USA Field Hockey Board of Directors will be better able to determine the direction the majority of the membership would like to pursue over the long-term. Below is the information being circulated regarding the Town Hall meetings at the NIT:
Saturday, March 6, 2010
USA Field Hockey and its Board of Directors have begun the process of developing a long-range Strategic Plan. In an effort to reach out to all constituents, we are hopeful you will take time to participate in the USA Field Hockey Town Meeting at the National Indoor Tournament in Virginia Beach.
USA Field Hockey CEO/Executive Director Steve Locke will conduct the meeting. Candid, thoughtful dialogue will be appreciated.
6 Core Questions
1. What are the critical issues of USA FH?
2. What are (or should be) the focus areas of the strategic plan?
3. Where do you envision USA FH in 10 years?
a. What goals do you have for USA FH?
4. What has USA FH done well in the past?
5. Where can USA FH improve in the future?
6. What is the value of a membership to USA FH?
a. How can we enhance the value of a USA FH membership
***Any other questions are welcome, too!
Those who want to submit questions anonymously may do so by dropping their questions off at the USA Field Hockey booth inside the convention center by 8:00AM on Saturday, March 6.
Come join us at the Virginia Beach Convention Center in Meeting Room 4C on the second floor during the following times:
Team Contacts / Coaches
Team Contacts / Coaches
Everyone, including Parents and Friends of Field Hockey, are invited and welcome to attend any of the sessions.
USA Field Hockey Board of Directors thanks you for your participation, your honesty and your ideas.
The AtaHolding FIH World Cup Qualifier is right around the corner (March 26 through April 3, 2010). The AtaHolding FIH World Cup Qualifier will be held in San Diego's Olympic Training Center in Chula Vista. Laura Darling, USA Field Hockey's Director of Strategic Partnerships, is in charge of the USA Field Hockey portion of event production. As the event is international in scope, it contains many elements not found in domestic events. For instance, a considerable amount of energy is focused on protocol and hospitality. Both of these components are critical, as it is important from a stature standpoint that the United States be viewed as wanting to be a player within the FIH (Federation Internationale de Hockey)and be well-respected by the way international event presentation is made. To do this, efforts must be made to honor legitimately those within the hierarchy of our international federation. We are a microcosm of what the macrocosm of the USOC and the International Olympic Committee (IOC) are. To not be a part of the movement can have serious repercussions. Witness Chicago's last place showing in the selection of the Olympic city for the 2016 Olympic Games. Because of Chicago's loss, the USOC is currently involved in a major international relations effort to buoy support within the IOC. This event, along with any other FIH event, is of a high importance to our global position in the sport.
There is another aspect of this event that is of great import to our High Performance efforts. To have an event on domestic soil provides a leg up for the home team (well, unless you are Canada and are hosting the Winter Olympics. Just kidding, eh!). Teams from Canada, Mexico, Belgium, France and Korea will be competing to win a slot for the upcoming FIH Women's World Cup to be staged in Rosario, Argentina, August 29 through September 11, 2010. This is a critical stepping-stone for our Olympic aspirations for the 2012 London Olympic Games. There is only one slot to be won at Chula Vista for the 2010 FIH Women's World Cup. There will be two other Qualifiers found globally for this event. The key to being eligible to compete in the Olympic Games is to be ranked in the Top Twelve in the world. This same process will take place for the 2012 Olympics in London. The winner of the 2011 Pan American Games is an automatic qualifier as a Top Nine country to qualify for the London Olympics . As it sits at present, we will need to win that tournament to qualify definitely for London. However a very high placing at this year's World Cup may provide the USA Women's Team with enough World Ranking Points to move into contention for an Olympic berth without having to go through any qualification process should we not win the 2011 Pan Am Games.
BDO FIH World Cup, women 2010 Rosario (ARG), 29 August - 11 September 2010 Participants:
- Argentina
- China
- England
- Germany
- India
- Netherlands
- New Zealand
- South Africa
- Spain
- Winner World Cup Qualifier I
- Winner World Cup Qualifier II
- Winner World Cup Qualifier III
From a Late Show with David Letterman last week: "You're watching CBS, home of the 1998 Winter Olympics."
And, finally, now that the Winter Olympics are over, from Jimmy Kimmel Live! "I have learned a lot from the Olympics. Mostly that I miss football."


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MD Appoints G&G as Italian Sales Rep
Source: G&G Aviation
G&G Aviation is now the Italian sales representative for MD Helicopters' range of single and twin engine helicopters. The product line includes the MD 500E, MD 530F, MD 20N, MD 600N and the MD Explorer, with N models featuring the NOTAR system which allows the anti-torque and directional control through a low pressure air system on the tail boom thus eliminating the tail rotor.
MD Explorer. Photo courtesy MD Helicopters
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Jon Peddie Research (JPR), a leading research and consulting firm, claims that the stereoscopic 3D market is poised for rapid growth in the immediate future. In particular, close to one million dedicated stereo-3D (S3D) PCs will ship in 2010. That number will grow to 75 million by 2014 as stereo-3D becomes ubiquitous, especially for video games.
"Gaming will be the vehicle for kick-starting the stereo-3D PC market. The gaming segment has the largest inventory of content and the most vocal enthusiasts [who] will ignite the imagination of the non-gamers. However, our forecast is that the S3D market will soar within the next three years based on the expectation that good quality content will be produced, and the incremental cost for stereo-3D will diminish, if not disappear. Otherwise history will repeat itself and it will be reduced to a small volume novelty market," said Jon Peddie, the head of JPR.
Although most PCs will be stereo-3D capable due to the GPUs that are in them, not all PCs will be S3D PCs because they need a special monitor, glasses, and appropriate content. However, stereo-3D PCs will be very attractive to several important market segments. JPR expects to see S3D PCs achieve a much higher growth rate than their more traditional counterparts and, of course, they will have a higher average selling price.
As a result, the stereo-3D PC market will be very attractive to PC manufacturers and content suppliers. Jon Peddie Research forecasts that the total available market for stereo-3D PCs, peripherals and content will be $34 billion by 2014.
Even though JPR seems to be very optimistic about stereo 3D gaming and S3D technology in general, it should be noted that stereo-3D will represent a fraction of the whole consumer electronics and video games market. Even by 2014 far not everyone will have S3D HDTVs and therefore only a fraction of video games will be designed for stereoscopic 3D output. Moreover, if by 2014 there is no new generation of video game consoles, then there will hardly be a lot of stereo-3D games designed for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, consequently, there will be only a number of S3D games on the PC.
Tags: Stereo 3D, JPR, Nvidia, ATI, AMD, , Intel, Geforce, Radeon


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Cornerstone of justice system must be honored
Innocent until proven guilty. That simple sentence is essentially the cornerstone of the American jurisprudence system.
In our country, by law, guilt is not assumed. Innocence is. The burden of proof of guilt, in criminal cases, must be met by the prosecution and then decided on by a jury of citizens.
The accused is afforded with rights. Among them the right to defend themselves against their accusers. Most of us know this. Anyone who has sat through a "Law and Order" marathon, or any parts thereof, has had this pointed out in 60-minute increments.
Innocent until proven guilty. While it is a concept we all know, it may be hard to accept sometimes.
As a media outlet, we are well aware of this concept and must do everything we can to preserve it.
The death last month of Sanaz Nezami, of Dollar Bay, illustrates this. Nezami, who had only been in the Copper Country a matter of months before her death, had planned to start Michigan Technological University this week to eventually earn a PhD.
She died of injuries she sustained in what police, at the time called, "a domestic assault."
Her husband, Nima Nasiri, has been charged with her death. The Daily Mining Gazette has received requests, by some to be more aggressive in our reporting of this incident, and in particular, Mr. Nasiri.
However, as things stand, Nima Nasiri, currently lodged in lieu of a $5 million bond, is an innocent man. He is innocent until a court proves otherwise.
Any reference to the incident in question must include words such as "alleged."
The Daily Mining Gazette takes our role as an important news source in the Copper Country very seriously. We will not jeopardize any legal proceedings, nor will be pronounce guilt or innocence until it is decided in court.
Innocent until proven guilty is one of the cornerstones upon which the founders laid this great nation. And it is a concept upon which we will not waiver.


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The following provide details of disabled accessibility and special needs facilities:
Our employees are trained to assist our passengers with disabilities and we offer a wide variety of special assistance. To help us provide you with the services you require, please let us know how we can best assist you.
You can obtain information in advance regarding assistance we can offer either through this web site or by contacting our local Reservations office. Please be aware that there might be unpredictable circumstances such as weather or mechanical problems that may call for a last minute aircraft switch, but we will do our best to accommodate your needs.
Onboard our aircraft, passengers with disabilities will be provided:
* We are unable to provide passengers with any assistance for personal care needs inflight such as eating/drinking, administration of medications, elimination functions including assistance inside the lavatory, or other personal care needs. If you require assistance with any of these, we recommend that you travel with a personal care attendant or make alternative arrangements.


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For some, jailbreaking is an essential part of the iOS experience. For others it's unknown and dangerous. Thankfully, for those old and new to jailbreaking there is now a pretty simple way to do it. Using Pangu, jailbreaking is not only faster than ever, but also easier. Whether you're a hardened veteran of jailbreaking, or this is your first time trying it, this guide will help you jailbreak your iPhone, iPod, or iPad.
What is jailbreaking?
First and foremost, let's take a moment to remember this guide is not a guarantee that you will successfully jailbreak your iPhone, iPod, or iPad. When dealing with something like a jailbreak, there is always a small chance something could go wrong with your phone, and we cannot be responsible for this. However, jailbreaking, especially with Pangu is extremely easy and you should be perfectly fine.
Related: 100 awesome iPhone apps for 2016
To 'jailbreak' your iPhone means you are freeing it from the limitations imposed by Apple. Freeing a device means that it can install applications from outside Apple's iTunes App Store and you can fiddle with previously restricted aspects of an iOS device. Jailbreaking can also help you unlock your iPhone to make it available on other carriers.
To jailbreak your device, you'll need a computer, your iOS, and your iOS cable. This jailbreak is compatible with any device capable of receiving the iOS 9.3.4 or iOS 9.3.5 update, so if Apple has prompted you to update, then you can go ahead and follow this guide.
Backing up your precious data
When it comes to jailbreaking a device, it's always best to backup while you can. iTunes should automatically backup your device every time you plug it in. Be sure to run a backup of your device before beginning the jailbreak process so that all your precious music, apps, movies, and everything in between are successfully stored on your computer. That way, once you complete the jailbreak process, you can run a restore and get everything back. Just make sure you've plugged into iTunes recently and synced your device. Running a sync will backup your device by default.
Start the Jailbreak process
In order to actually start the jailbreak process, you need to first update your device to the latest version of iOS. In this case, it'll be either iOS 9.3.4 for a full Jailbreak, or iOS 9.3.5 for a semi jailbreak (in which you get partial access to jailbreak features). You can use iTunes to manage your update, or use the more convenient OTA (0ver-the-air) update your device offers you (Settings > General > Software Update).
Once you plug in your device to iTunes, it'll prompt you to download and run the iOS 9.3.5 update for your device. If you want the full jailbreak for iOS 9.3.4, however, don't update. Furthermore, if you haven't already updated to the latest version of iTunes, then you should do that as well. If your device is not jailbroken, then you will update to iOS 9.3.5 without any problems. If your device is jailbroken, iOS will fail to complete the update and force into recovery mode. Don't Panic! Simply let iTunes run a recovery with the latest version of iOS 9.3.5. Once completed, the device will have been reset to factory settings with iOS 9.3.5. In either case, do not sync your device just yet. Instead, quickly set up your device with Wi-Fi, your Apple ID, and everything else it prompts you with. You can also skip these for now and get back to them later. Make sure you get to the home screen before continuing.


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has anyone got any views
i sent this as a subject to the forest speaks and people just replied about what is 4rest? i think we should adress the real questions. perhaps the macheney is right to underestimate the 4rest as "just a bunch of people in a room"


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What Pans are Recommended?
November 05, 2007, 02:06:01 PM »
I would like to get started making Chicago Style pizzas. I did a search, but I am still confused. A couple of questions.
What is the best pan size to get? I have seen references for 10" pans and 14.5" pans.
What should the pan be made of? I have seen hard anondized aluminum, professional with RESIST non tick coatings, aluminum etc.
Do I need to season the pan and if so how do I do it?
Is there a good mail order source for deep dish pans?
Does a grill work for making deep dish pizza's?
I am sure that these questions have been asked many times. If these have been addressed elsewhere, a link would be helpful.
Thank you.
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November 05, 2007, 02:40:31 PM »
Hi there Dough Diver,
Since nobody has answered yet, here is some info to get you started.
Do a search for " PSTK " , you can see more info on this special coating that PizzaTools puts on their pizza pans.
There is a good thread I remember, where somebody was talking about this coating.
see here for info on these pans:
This website has 2 different types of pizza pans available, deep dish nesting pans,
and deep dish "stacking" pans. Look carefully at what you want, some of the pans stack, some don't,
and there are special lids available for one of the types of pans.
Now to add to that, you then have the choice between this special coating they apply to the pans,
which is called "PSTK" . I have often looked at these pans but they are too expensive, they are basically
double the price. There are many guys here that say the special coating
gives amazing results.
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November 05, 2007, 05:26:54 PM »
Dough Diver,
There are many types and sizes of deep-dish pans. Which you decide to select will to a large degree depend on how you plan to use the pans, how often, and your pocketbook.
I have several of the PSTK products from pizzatools.com (
) and they are my favorites because the dark, anodized finish is a baked-in finish that doesnt chip, scratch or peel. And the pans do not require seasoning before using. Canadianbacon (Mark) is right that the PSTK products are expensive, but if you plan on using them often and over a long period of time, say, several years, the initial upfront investment is worth it in my opinion. pizzatools.com sells mostly to the pizza trade but they will also sell direct to individuals. All of their products are made in the U.S., so their prices will reflect that.
Although I havent tried them, both American Metalcraft and Chicago Metallic also carry deep-dish pans. Both sell mainly through restaurant supply companies, many of which are online and can be found through simple Google searches. For the pans carried by American Metalcraft, you should look at those under the Series 5000, 8000 and 9000 designations, at
. Go to the bottom of the pages to see the dark pans. You will usually be able to buy the AM products at about 15-20% lower than the prices noted at the AM website.
You can see an example of the Chicago Metallic deep-dish pans with the Bakalon anodized finish at
. At one time, Chicago Metallic sold pans with nonstick coatings under the Bakalon brand (and they may still do), so you may want to keep that in mind so that you dont confuse the two types of pans.
Not long ago, one of our members asked me about steel deep-dish pans coated with tin. These pans are generally less expensive than the anodized pans discussed above, but they require seasoning before use. Often there is an initial seasoning followed by actual use that contributes additional seasoning over a long period of time. Most home pizza makers are unlikely to make enough pizzas to get that seasoning so that is something to keep in mind. If this type of pan is of interest to you, you can get additional details at the first two posts at this thread:
There are also pans with traditional nonstick coatings that are frequently used for baking cakes but can also be used to bake deep-dish pizzas. Some of them are springform pans, which can be a big help in releasing the deep-dish pizzas from the pans. I have a few pans with the nonstick coatings, including a springform version, but I try not to use them at very high oven temperatures that might cause the coatings to break down and possibly emit noxious fumes. Most deep-dish pies are baked below 500 degrees F, so I think they are OK for using them to make deep-dish pies. I would look for pans that have coatings that are the most recent technologically since they are most likely to be the best coatings with the best features. You can find the nonstick pans just about everywhere, both online and at traditional stores that sell kitchenware products.
I personally try to avoid the shiny aluminum deep-dish pans. They reflect heat rather than absorb it (you can end up with light-colored crusts), and they require seasoning, both initial seasoning and seasoning that comes from prolonged use. Their only advantage that I can see is that they are the cheapest pans.
The size of the pan you select is mainly a personal decision based on how much deep-dish you need or can handle. If the deep-dish pizzas are only for you, you will not want to get a 16 pan. Maybe a 10 pan would be better. If you plan to feed a crowd, maybe the 16 pan will be suitable for your purposes. I would say that 12 and 14 pans are perhaps the most popular among the members. Pans with depths of 1.5-2" are also quite common. Some like the straight-sided pans, while other prefer the sloping-sided pans, maybe because of greater ease of removal of the pies from the pans, or for easier stacking.
I dont have an answer for you about using a grill to make the deep-dish style. Maybe one of our members who has used a grill for that purpose will be able to provide an answer.
I think that that pretty much covers the deep-dish pan landscape. Good luck.
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November 05, 2007, 06:03:22 PM »
I love my American Metalcraft Hard Coat Anodized pans. I have a 10", 12", and a 14" with the 14" getting the most use. As Pete mentioned, you can pick these up at restaurant supply houses at a pretty good price and usually you won't have to pay shipping that way, they just tack your pan on to their usual order. Mine is 2" straight side 8000 series. Here's a pick of mine about to go into action
Also, as Pete said, stay away from the shiny pans. Shiny = poor results.
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November 05, 2007, 06:03:58 PM »
Hi Peter,
Wow, some really good info there you posted. Thanks for taking the time to do so,
and I appreciate it, even though I'm not the original poster.
One thing that I remember reading on the pizzatools.com website is that the 14" pizza trays
may be the largest that
fit in a regular sized oven.
I remember at one time measuring from the back of my oven to the front, and I couldn't believe just how
large 14" actually was ! - wow. I don't think anything larger than that will fit in my oven, so if anyone is
thinking of ordering pans, just make sure you measure beforehand.
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January 31, 2008, 03:05:37 PM »
I wish I had thought through the pan issue a bit more before I started looking for pans. This thread would have been a great place to start. By now I have placed my 3rd order for pans.
I first bought two of the dark (non-stick) Chicago Metallic 14" x 1 1/2" deep pans at Amazon.com. These are very nice pans, but I suppose I'd only need two such big pans if I had a party and almost everyone liked one of the two combinations of toppings. I suppose I could make four half-pizza combos with the two pans, so I'll probably do that some day.
Then I tried finding some 10" pans I could use instead. All I could find readily available online were the 9" x 2" deep American Metalcraft Anodized pans. They are nesting but have a pretty good slope to their sides, so the bottom diameter is really only 8". These seem too small,, and maybe better better suited for individual pizzas for big eaters or maybe to share among two kids. I bought four of these, so maybe I could use these to freeze some extra pies after I cook them. I froze some leftover pie last time and it was pretty decent a week or so later. I guess freezing unbaked pies woudn't work so well though from what I've read in here somewhere.
So now after reading this thread, I am awaiting two of the PSTK 10" x 2" deep stacking pans that I ordered from Pizzatools. I think I will like the straight sides as that's what I remember from the restaurants in Chicago. Can't wait til they get here. I'm gonna bake one spinach pie for wifey and me, and a combo with 1/2 sausage and 1/2 pepperoni for the kids. With all these pans now, I should be ready for anything. I just hope my next pizza comes out better than the last two!
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January 31, 2008, 03:33:15 PM »
Vertical sided pans can be a problem to depan until you get the knack of tossing and plopping. The spring-form pan is hard to beat in depanning and the second best is a deep dish pans that the sides slope. I use the 10" spring pan for the two of us and use the 14" sloping pan for guest. Non of mine or authenic so listen to the other guys for having the right pan.
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January 31, 2008, 04:57:47 PM »
I thought about that, and you're right - the slope-sided pans sure seem to help there. My 1st deep dish pie was a 14" with slope-sides, and I was able to get it out w/o wrecking it, so I was happy. But I saw the Giordano's video here on this site, and I will watch it ten more times before I try to flop my pies out. It definitely showed the proper technique. I even bought one of those cast aluminum pan grippers just so I can try to toss it upwards while I slide the spatula underneath. Wish me luck!
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January 31, 2008, 06:54:20 PM »
Ya got it. I'm no expert at the depanning but even if you do a dump it will make for a great story and a good laugh.
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These Deep dish pans/stones work great.
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August 07, 2009, 10:15:39 PM »
With all respect to the results you may have had, TZekos, with the stone pan, it is far inferior to a metal pan. It just doesn't come up to temp quickly enough in the oven like a dark colored pan will. Many of us give a flat stone up to an hour in the oven at full blast to get that to temp for thin crust or NY style pies. Having tried one of these ages ago, it just didn't get the bottom as crisp as I want it.
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About the Author: Dr. Jun Bando serves as the Maritime Security Coordinator and U.S. Africa Command Liaison for the U.S. Department of State's Bureau of African Affairs.
Since I last wrote about piracy in October, the situation has continued to escalate. More than 30 additional attacks have been reported in waters off the coast of Somalia, including the Gulf of Aden. Elements of the shipping industry have announced plans to reroute some vessels around South Africa to avoid the Gulf of Aden, and a supertanker carrying millions of barrels of oil has been hijacked several hundred miles from shore—two scenarios that only weeks ago were thought by many to be implausible. The escalation of risk at sea mirrors conditions on land in Somalia, where the eroding security situation necessitates the urgent deployment of additional peacekeeping forces.
In recent weeks, U.S. Government efforts on Somali piracy have intensified. Piracy has the attention of the highest levels of our government. Our senior diplomats are taking a leading role in coordinating the international response and reaching out to key participating countries to identify the resources—diplomatic, political, military, judicial—each country can contribute to this effort.
Military engagement must be coordinated—and not just deconflicted—among participating countries. As in efforts to fight other forms of organized criminal activity, an essential part of the fight will be ensuring that hijackers and their accomplices are brought to justice.
What are the United States and the international community already doing to address piracy in the Horn of Africa?
Several countries have deployed naval vessels and aircraft to the region. Since September, the U.S. and coalition partners have maintained a Maritime Security Patrol Area in the Gulf of Aden. The U.S. and others have contributed to North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and Combined Task Force-150 counterpiracy operations. NATO, Canada, and European Union member States have provided escorts for vessels delivering United Nations World Food Program emergency assistance to Somalia.
Although naval vessels have successfully prevented a number of attacks, pirate acts have nonetheless continued to increase, along with the greed of hijackers. The supertanker seized on November 15 belongs to Saudi Arabia and the pirates are reportedly demanding millions of dollars in ransom.
The U.S. is leading efforts in the United Nations Security Council to renew the authorities in Resolution 1816, which provides countries cooperating with the Transitional Federal Government of Somalia with the authorization to enter Somali territorial waters and use all necessary means to repress piracy and armed robbery at sea.
We're seeing greater involvement by the African Union and its member States in fighting piracy. Two weeks ago, Kenya agreed to prosecute eight piracy suspects captured by British naval forces near Somalia. (In 2006, Kenya also prosecuted piracy suspects captured by the U.S. Navy.)
Despite these and other efforts, including significant activity by the European Union to initiate its own counterpiracy mission, the continued increase in piracy clearly signals that international efforts against piracy in the Horn of Africa must be strengthened. On Tuesday I'll travel with a delegation to Paris to support discussions with the French on strengthening counter-piracy cooperation. Stay tuned for further developments.
Donald in Virginia writes:
2 December 08
I had a few days to think about this situation.
A few good tips that might help resolve this situation.
The known tactics they are using is common as rope and a graple hook in getting onboard.
Cargo ships should start including a Guard Rail that would deflect a graple hook and add one more neat device to the rail. Have portable grinders and saws for the crew to cut the lines before the pirates get on the ship.
One other cool thing to add - Have a 8 foot electrical fence that goes around the skin of the ship. This might give the pirates a little buzz when trying to get onboard! It might knock them right off the ship! Add the razor sharp wires to the fence as well.
Look out watches - Cargo ships should have look out watches manned day and night. When the pirate boats get close the look outs should have a visual on the pirates before they can act.
Add sensors and cameras around the vessel so they know when the pirates are trying to get aboard! The bridge of any ship should have a complete picture as to whats happening around the entire vessel at all times. That way even the Captain knows whats happening in real time!
Most ships have the ability to fight damage control. A 2" 1/2 water hose and pump certainly could deflect any Pirates trying to get onboard as well. Plus it could sink the Pirates craft before they have a chance to board the ship.
Crew members should be trained on weapons. A small response action team should do the trick. Each and all crew members mandatory having rifle and handgun training atleast once a year qualifcation at a certified range. Each ship should have a small amory to protect the crew and cargo.
Surface Radar - Make sure the vessel has the best radar that can pickup these crafts before they become a threat!
Last part of my ideas - Set Zebra Condition and prevent the pirates from gaining access to the Bridge or any other part of the ship entry points. Completely lock them out from gaining access to them! Until help arrives!
I believe the United Navy should consider putting a Air Craft Carrier at the Horn of Africa near where all the piracy has been taken place, then just do fly operations and buzz the pirates at sea with our fighter jets! Then maybe they will get the hint!
God Bless!
Kirk in Kentucky writes:
I have a three word solution to piracy:
.50 caliber machineguns.
Place them in protected turrets and forget those dinky sonic guns. While governments generally frown on civilan possession of heavy hardware, I say use the right tool for the right job.
While there may be an escalation of arms used because of this, making piracy a potentially lethal encounter will deter most. The reason piracy so prevelent is because it's so easy. There is virtally no risk. Faced with automatic rifles and grenade launchers, most ships don't even put up a fight.
Water turrets may be an acceptable alternative to machine guns as anyone hit wit a fire hose can attest.
(Of course, resolving the strife that causes piracy in the first place probably wouldn't hurt either)
John in Greece writes:
@ Donald in VA -- Very interesting suggestions! However, we should also work a little bit on the theoretical "treatment" of the issue.
What I mean is that you "fight" the problem on a "field base", providing really sharp and inspired suggestions, but unfortunately this way we follow the pirates' game. It's like accepting the fact that piracy will keep on exciting in the area and we just defend ourselves the best way we can.
Our western world's priority, concerning this issue, should be to enforce the law, arrest pirates and give a permanent lesson to all "future pirates". We have to make sure to them that they cannot act this way without ending to a local or international prison. Of course diplomacy, politics and synergies are the vital tools toward this perspective.
Nevertheless, I think that many of your ideas should be adopted by Cargo ships. I have not worked in a ship and therefore I do not know how much practical they are, but I found them excellent suggestions.
Zharkov in U.S.A. writes:
So while Secretary Rice is playing piano for the Queen of Britain, pirates are seizing our ships and sailors?
American officials are not British subjects and should not be serving British royalty in ANY capacity, including playing piano for the Queen, guarding British shipping channels, or financing the British economic collapse.
If Secretary Rice wants to perform for the Queen after the Secretary leaves public office, that is fine, but as long as American taxpayers pay her salary, she play piano for us.
What this piano episode makes clear is that Ms. Rice either has no sense of American history with Britain, or else wishes to insult her fellow Americans. The people who wrote the US Constitution were strongly against American officials becoming subservient to Britain and Ms. Rice should learn more about that. Americans are not British slaves anymore.
Susan in Florida writes:
With all the extremely dangerous situations our diplomats are dealing with around the world....terrorism in India, murder/genocide in the Congo, chaos in Thailand, it does seem a bit frivolous to be playing the piano in Great Britain. It was probably "requested" and since the British are our strong allies, it would have been difficult to refuse. Now a general question.... what are we doing about the pirates? Wouldn't a very large warship be able to make a difference??!
John in Greece writes:
Right Susan! What the piano has to do with piracy? Except, if Z is attempting again to "piracy" a real Global hero!
Only Z can comprehend this relevance... Piracy and piano? (LOL) But as long as he wants an answer: His point has to do with "last year". History is old, Future is everything -- We live RIGHT NOW Z, not in a historical nightmare utopia!
I also agree with you Susan that Great Britain is one of U.S.A.'s -- and the rest of the Western world's -- strongest allies and I feel like saying that Secretary Rice does not have to prove via Z's question, whether she "knows how to play the diplomatic piano" or not, BECAUSE SHE HAS ALREADY PROVED THAT SHE CAN. She is a pure, talented PATRIOT! A REAL BRAIN!
Otherwise, let's fetch Z to "play the piano". Do you play the piano Z?
Zharkov in U.S.A. writes:
Unfortunately, the official "Somali pirate zone" is so large that a single warship could not catch a pirate in the act of piracy. Pirates probably use ship's radar and scanners to plot their next attack at a location where the navy is absent.
No government intervention is necessary. As one of the prior posts suggests, each ship's captain must be certain to carry sufficient numbers of guns to allow the crew to repel any pirate attack. We must make it more dangerous for pirates than for shipping. When we start shooting at pirates, they will disappear.
Donald in Virginia writes:
3 December 08
@ John in Greece -- Thank-You again!!!
I'm glad someone is paying attention to new ideas or suggestions that might help resolve the situations. I use a combination of my skills of having been on ships at sea and my security background to think these things up.
Defending your ship is a great thing!
Decades of time has gone by and cargo ships really deploy with little or no ability to fight back. The more defense abilities the cargo ship has the less likely the Pirates will even bother trying to steal or overtake the vessel. It's almost like that saying about having your porch light on and the thief goes to the next home.
"Old football saying" A great defense is one awesome Offense!" meaning these ships, and crew need to up the security level in that part of the world and not take it lightly. A well defended ship means they will survive the attacks.
I believe the Carrier was mentioned as well on my listing of ideas. I would like to see Africa start patrolling its own waters and rooting out these pirates. They should have a Coast Guard Units just like we do in the States.
John in Greece writes:
@ Donald in VA, Kirk in KY & Zharkov in U.S.A. -- I will concentrate a little bit more on the "amory & guns" suggestion. There are 2 basic problems with this perspective we all focused on.
Please guys correct me if I am wrong.
1. Today, the International Law of the Sea does not allow the crew members of a ship to have guns. Only the captain is allowed to do so -- and according to my views he MUST have one for sure -- as long as the gun is legally purchased and registered.
So guys, I imagine that you suggest that we should proceed toward a new International Sea legislation -- a new amendment-concerning the issue?
However the 2nd parameter is the most difficult:
2. The practical application! First we have to deal with a very difficult component that is the gun training of all these ship-crew members all around the world and second, which is even more important, these crews (50%) are not any "better" boys than the pirates. If you give them guns you may end up with "internal" pirates in many cases. Moreover, they will kill each other during gambling or drug overdose? Have you heard of the "Philippine code"? The only way for a captain to keep his ship safe is to have good relations with the "Godfather" of the "crew mafia". When you are referring to Cargo ships keep in mind that they are not "Love boats".
And here is the worst and most dangerous thought among the above:
What if we stop piracy, but then we have to deal with illegal gun emporium? During terrorism times, the only thing that terrifies me is the idea that hundred thousands of guns "take a cruise" in the open seas. Ex.: you want to get an illegal, unregistered pistol? You can buy it from a Cargo ship crew member. Then, he declares that it felt in the open sea and you proceed doing your "bad" job like having a walk in the "sea" park.
All the above do not mean that I am against this "amory & guns" suggestion. I just felt to contribute some more debatable parameters. I look forward to read your views guys.
John in Greece writes:
@ Donald in VA, Kirk in KY & Zharkov in U.S.A. -- Thomas Jefferson's note: "The style of the demand admitted but one answer. I sent a small squadron of frigates into the Mediterranean".
If you want my final opinion.
Zharkov in U.S.A. writes:
Under the legal doctrine of necessity, a ship's captain has the inherent, fundamental right law to arm his crew despite all contrary written laws, treaties, and executive orders. This doctrine has been recognized in all British common law nations. A variant of this doctrine appears in our constitution in the "Letters of Marque and Reprisal" clause.
A ship's captain has the choice, as they always have, to keep all guns locked in the ship's armory, distribute the guns to the crew only when entering the pirate zone, and collect the guns when the ship is safely leaving the area.
The National Guard does exactly the same thing - all weapons are kept locked in the armory until some event occurs that requires arming the soldiers. No armed mutiny has occurred from this practice in modern times.
Tyrannical governments do not trust their citizens with guns, obviously. An armed citizenry is a big discouragement to potential tyrants. This is the main reason why most governments prefer their citizens to be defenseless. An exception to this practice is in time of war, when governments have, from necessity, no choice but to arm the citizens or lose the war. In piracy, we are at war on the high seas, and an armed crew can win that war if the ship's captain allows them that option.
Donald (U.S. Navy Veteran) in Virginia writes:
4 Dec 08
1. I don't think the entire crew should be dealing with weapons. It should be limited to a security element added to the ship. The Captain and Security Teams onboard should ONLY be allowed to carry weapons on any Vessel.
2. The Captain should have Certified Security Officers on the Vessel under Direct Orders from the Captain when dealing with security issues.
3. Each Vessel should carry law enforcement equipment example: Handcuffs, Communication equipment like hand held radios, Restraints, Mace Cans, Bull Horns, Small Armory ONLY the Captain has the key.
4. Under which the ship or vessel is being approached by suspected Pirates, the Captain should issue orders to the Security Staff. This should include opening the small armory and outfitting the Security Staff with weapons and ideally protecting the ship, the crew and the Captain.
5. The Security Staff must be in a position on the ship to have the best line of sight of the targets. A future thought is maybe a gun tower can be added to the highest deck on the cargo ship!
6. Rules of Engagement: Verbal orders given by the Cargo Ship Security Staff telling them to halt or leave! If they persist on moving towards the ship, a warning shot is fired in the air or in the sea. If they continue advancing towards the ship then the Security Staff should take the Approach of "Shoot to Stop" and prevent them from coming onboard!
7. The Security Staff should be qualified and certified to handle weapons,trained in law enforcement, trained in Defense Tactics, security issues and provide two officer shake down capability looking for illegal drugs and or illegal weapons on the ship.
Best Regards,
Zharkov in U.S.A. writes:
It certainly doesn't take much of a security team to stop a hijacking at sea. One guy with a flamethrower could keep a pirate boat away from the ship. The problem of cost enters the picture if a specially trained security team must accompany every ship, while it is much less expensive to simply arm the crew when necessary, or at least arm the most trustworthy members of the crew.
John in Greece writes:
@ Donald in VA -- I think that you put the finishing touches to this great security proposal you created. I hope that decision makers (legislators, ship owners, captains, brokers etc.) will adopt all, or some of your sharp ideas and they will finalize this first draft.
Besides guns, your ideas about:
-- Guard Rail
-- 8 foot electrical fence + the razor sharp wires
-- Look out watches
-- Sensors and cameras
-- A 2' water hose and pump
-- Modern surface radars
-- Setting of Zebra Condition
are also extremely interesting!!!
(please see Donald's post on Tue Dec 02,2008 for more details)
And the most important is that these ideas are really cost affordable, especially compared to the HUGE cost of the ships and cargos (ex.: Saudi supertanker "Sirius Star" costs more than $100 million).
Anyway, DipNote once again proved that when we work as a thinking "team", our brain storming can create real good ideas and suggestions which can help the world.
In other words: The best weapon is our brain!
Best Regards Sir.
Eric in New Mexico writes:
@ Dr. Bando -- One wonders when maritime efforts will conclude in taking on the pirates on land. Where they live.
As a failed state, Somalia now can reasonably be seen as a result of past interventions that have left no stability behind, failing to achive objectives for lack of political will, and resourcing.
Though its recognized leader is anti piracy and welcomes international efforts, they have no real ability to affect things on the ground in a state of virtual anarchy.
When will the world community choose to turn Somalia into a UN protectorate, and take direct preventive action?
There are worse options that have already been tried. We're all now witness to the results.
Donald in Virginia writes:
Thank you John in Greece.
The only thing I would add to my list is items like the following:
1. NON-Lethal Weapons including (CS) Tear Gas and Eletric Tazors.
2. Bullet Proof Armor Vests and Helmets for the sailors
3. Night Vision
"All Shipping companies around the world that deliver goods by ocean vessels should adopt a Master Plan of Security for all the ships they operate for the Captain and crew. This Master Security plan should be tested and implemented and approved by the the countries Maritime Leadership and by International Law. Adding that element of Security would make a difference."
Zharkov in U.S.A. writes:
For those who don't understand my piano comment, you might read this article:
"Condi Plays Piano While Islam Destroys Western Civilization",
Piracy at sea received the death penalty at common law for similar reasons for which we outlaw airline hijacks -- the potential for loss of life and property was simply too great to allow the pirate to live, not to mention that his Majesty's ships were expensive to replace, so pirates were routinely subject to hanging in England if they got that far, or simply hung from the mast of a British warship if they didn't.
The non-lethal weapons we might use against old ladies who argue with TSA employees at the airport are not adequate to stop piracy. We should want to discourage pirates from their trade, not entertain them with our weak defenses.
There may be a theory that nobody commits piracy while laughing, therefore a team of comedians should accompany every shipment, but this would be more reward than punishment for serious people looking to destroy the West.
Donald in Virginia writes:
7 December 08
@Zharkov in U.S.A
Reason why law enforcement uses non-lethal weapons is gives the pirates a chance to surrender, or end the attack before it becomes violent. Tear gas would cause disruption to your movement.
I had included a rules of engagement in one of my blogs. Once again, NON-Lethal weapons can be used first to get the pirates attention and realize they are dealing with a smarter security force, they might just evade the fight and leave. Anyone that has been through CS Tear gas knows what it can physically cause the body. It's not as funny as you mentioned Zharkov. Have you ever been in a situation with tear gas? Personally, I have been through it four times with tear gas in training and it's never fun.
If your trying to compare an AK/47 to Tear Gas well we all know that an assault weapon is greater. You can't use that weapon if your senses are not able to fire it. Which means the use of Tear Gas is still a good choice for NON-Lethal weapons.
Hence, its better the pirates surrender or give up then having a big gun battle onboard the ship. Making the NON-Lethal weapons a smart choice for the Ship Captains and crew! Atleast it would only be another item in the list of things Cargo Ships and crewmembers security can use before something major happens.
John in Greece writes:
... "what are we doing about the pirates" Z? The piano again? Please don't change the subject AGAIN.
What I mean is , today, the date is 2008. Forget the piano and the Englishmen and the history and your nightmares...
I do not understand your question. Do you mean that Dr. Rice should be in the Gulf of Aden "shooting" the pirates? She is not a SEAL, although I believe SHE IS indeed! However, she has a different official role: Secretary of State. Why you make it so complicated?
Donald in VA contributed some great ideas. And he did it "on the issue"! And I think that he made great effort "on the issue".
So, if we really care, let's contribute on THIS topic.
P.S. Respect -- The fact that Dr. Rice will not be within the SD for some years, does not mean that she did not service the best way she could. Respect!
Donald in Virginia writes:
7 December 08
THANKS AGAIN @ John in Greece -- I work in law enforcement and have experience onboard US Naval ships. I was actually trying to come up with items that would enhance the security onboard cargo ships. The simple solution is ensure they have a Plan, equipment and the Authority to Defend the ship! International Law should be changed to include adding a Security element to the ships. This would of been equally security smart with airplanes and trains around the world. Having Airmarshals is great, since it's a Federal funded program, I just don't see it going far enough when it comes to security. The Country that has the cargo should be responsible and accountable for that shipment leaving its port and arriving to it's destination safely. Having well trained Security Officers would make the difference needed to defend the cargo and crew. I actually suggested SEA Marshals and never heard anything from it. Considering the problems they have on cruise ships, seemed like it would of been smarter to have Sea Marshals as well!
How many countries around the world DO NOT even practice security drills onboard cargo ships? How many might not even have a security plan? Have the experience to deal with pirates to begin with?
Think that is why I came up with the list to help people on this topic. If it can do some good, great!
Best Regards,
Donald Ex (SW)
Zharkov in U.S.A. writes:
Shipping companies can take measures to defend their ships if they wish to remain profitable, or not, that is between them and their insurance companies. A smart insurer will offer lower rates to companies which arm their crews to repel pirate attacks.
What I am concerned about are the currently-unarmed cruise ships filled with thousands of tourists from western nations. At the moment, piracy is occurring off Somalia but as with terrorism, it has happened elsewhere and unarmed cruise ships are very soft targets.
The minimal legal responsibility of the ship's captain is to maintain sufficient arms to defend the ship with deadly force if necessary. A ship company and their insurers who fail to arm their ships deserves the mass casualty litigation they will receive and the subsequent bankruptcy.
From what I've read, any resistance against a pirate attack automatically results in a gun battle with them. One doesn't go to a gunfight armed with tear gas.
All your suggestions are fine but if you want to make the pirates sick, CS gas them, and they will leave and be back in a few days for another ship attack. If we capture them, we will spend a few million dollars on the way to the US Supreme Court deciding whether they are unarmed combatants or pirates. Shooting them is far more effective.
And yes, I have tried US military CN tear gas and find it wears off in a hour or so and you won't even notice it with a decent gas mask. Pirates may be desperate but they aren't stupid.
Donald in Virginia writes:
8 December 08
Thank-You @ Zharkov in U.S.A.
You have made my point very well. In one hour don't you think the time it takes to subdue someone when they can't react to the situation. Meaning while they are rubbing the eyes and trying to get the cs tear gas out of them, they are being held up with weapons and put into handcuffs along with restraints. They become "Arrested" and busted.
Then they get to be taken into custody and serve a very long time in prison for their actions. This all can be done without firing one shot from any weapon. I only mentioned one form of NON-Lethal weapons,there are others.
I know what you tried to imply, don't show up to a gunfight with a knife. "Yes we all know that old saying."
The bigger point is to try and capture the pirates without the loss of life and injury to the crew or even to the pirates. If they can be taken into custody without weapons being fired, it's a good day for shipping companies, brokers, sailors and all those who sail the seas!
Zharkov in U.S.A. writes:
Self-help works. If tear gassing the pirates works, then do it. Pirates have no rules. Tear gas is a lot less expensive than sending a fleet of battleships that never quite catch up with the bad guys. But if they opened small weapons fire on my ship, I would shoot them to finally settle the question.
Donald in Virginia writes:
8 December 08
This is my last comment on the matter unless a Ship Captain, Crew, Brokers, or countries would like more ideas on how to protect their cargo and crew! They can always write the State Department for my email address. Piracy will only continue long as people allow them too. They should be captured, brought to Justice and spend years behind prison walls for the consequences of their actions. It's a very serious situation and needs to be resolved SAFELY! Not people just trying to create gun battles because then the shooters can still end up in court one day defending their position why they fired a fire arm! You would always be accountable for where that round goes.
Godspeed all!!!
Kirk in Kentucky writes:
While the general theme of this thread, namely- arm yourself to the teeth, has been entertaining, it seems that this will be a subject that only a multi-angled approach can tackle.
In times past, when piracy was much more rampant, there were several things that nations tried to varying degrees of success. The most frequent was to bribe the home base of particular "clans" of pirates. As today's solution, that is right out.
A naval presence in the area is required. While we once had a powerful navy, we are around something like 180 ships or so. Since piracy is a global issue, perhaps the UN or other regional security groups could collaborate to create an anti-piracy fleet and, like UN peace keeping missions, have ships and equipment procured from donor nations.
A some point something will have to be done about the area from which piracy is based. In some ways, crime is like water, trying to grasp it in the fist will only cause it to stream between the fingers, but at least dispersing the concentration of perpetrators to more remote areas will ease the strain. Somalia is a failed state, now that their problems are leaking out onto the world stage, action must be taken. We need to assist Somalia to take control of it's ports and wrest them from the grip of criminals. Since piracy fuels a lot of villages' economy, we must find a way to replace one source of income with another, otherwise the population will not embrace the changes.
Though the area is too vast for a small fleet to patrol, what about the hundreds of reconnaissance, remote sensing, weather, and search and rescue satellites? Within allied nations we need to coordinate our intelligence activities to track and eliminate piracy safe havens or at least intercept their attacks.
None of these have to be permanent, once piracy is down and the region has stabilized a bit, we can disperse the concentration and move on to other things.
Zharkov in U.S.A. writes:
Piracy is a high growth industry off the coast of Mexico, the Caribbean, Southeast Asia, and Africa. Less than half of all pirate attacks are documented because the ship owners don't want their insurance rates raised. In one case, a ship had a two man security team that shot one pirate, causing others to flee, and saved the ship.
Countries which prohibit the private ownership of guns must change their laws to make an exception for guns kept aboard ship. All private yachts should carry firearms for self-defense, as they are a common target of pirates. Our news media seldom mentions the frequent seizures of private yachts at sea, just as they never mentioned that two cruise ships were attacked by pirates last week alone.
All it takes to quickly stop this growth industry is for other nations to change their laws to encourage ships to arm their crews or security teams and immunize them from arrest for small arms storage on board while visiting foreign ports.
If all governments won't even do that little to help the situation, they lose the right to cry about their ships being taken for ransom.
Donald in Virginia writes:
13 December 08
I know nobody has come up with this idea, it might also be useful in removing the piracy threat. If the Pirates have no boats...they certainly cannot be involved in Piracy on the open seas...
Like I said before, "Place one of our Nimitz Class Aircraft Carriers at the Horn of Africa and run flight operations. Our pilots and crew should be able to identify these small craft way before they can attempt piracy on any Merchant Vessel. I agree with the Admiral, "Full Speed Ahead, Pull up any means that would allow the pirates to gain access to the ship""All the more reason the United States should reconsider my theory about the "Harrier Jet" if it can be modified to carry troops, and utilized in a ground strike aircraft, we would be way ahead of the game in fighting these problems in future. Just imagine a ground fighter with the ability to carry a special team to it's destination at very fast speeds!"


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