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Skip to comments.Must See Video Of Baldwin Park Rally
Posted on 05/17/2005 9:26:00 PM PDT by occutegirl
"I attended the Baldwin Park event as a news videographer for an independent program. The coverage we obtained was incredible, thanks to you folks. We were particularly impressed by the fellow screaming "Zarqawi! Yes! Yes!" and "Intifada!" and "Too bad Osama bin Laden did not have a nuclear bomb to drop on that dirty Jew shithole Manhattan!" That guy was a real charmer and it's all on tape. We got broad coverage of many of the obscenities, violence, cries of "Go back to Europe!" and "Our land!", good shots of the elderly lady who was struck in the head.
We plan to air this on local television in Santa Barbara on "What's Right with America" [ http://www.kirkbytv.com ]. I expect that, despite the major media presence, the more extreme stuff won't be aired by anyone else. We've got close to two hours of footage to choose from and we will put in all the juicy bits so the viewers will understand that Mecha/Aztlan is not just about helping Chicano students get educated. Yeah, we got good closeups of the Mecha banner and racist signs too.
After the event, a small group of nearly all white 'progressives' sat down to an after-action review meeting. In particular, one young lady complained of a breakdown of communication. Her statement was, "The progressive thing to do is to push into the police lines to raise the level of police response. But, there was so much confusion they did not catch our signals." It became clear that there was an orchestration by leftist agitators to push the event to the level of violence - just so they could claim police brutality, etc. While we did not get video of this meeting (they were VERY wary about outsiders) we do have a clear shot of this particular young lady in the Mecha mob. They also commented on gaining a new recruit or two - particular persons who displayed real energy and enthusiasm and anger who would be willing to use that in the 'progressive' cause.
It is clear that if the agitator organizers had their way, police would have been firing tear gas into a Latino crowd that included little children. Just think how this would have 'inflamed' the Latino community. That is their strategy.
From my perspective, you folks were the clear winners in this confrontation precisely because of the response your presence evoked. My question to you is whether you are willing to push hard to get this sort of footage on national media and whether you are willing to take more personal risks to defend this nation. There can be no doubt that you are up against a militant force that has alliances even with Islamists. The Aztlan web site, along with statements made at the event, have made this abundantly clear. I get the feeling that you may need to continue these sorts of events, perhaps even returning to Baldwin Park in greater numbers (with greater risk), and increase the effort to get national media attention.
If you would like to try to get mainstream airing of the footage, we can provide you with a copy of the tapes or even an edited segment. I suggest a massive email campaign to FOX news, the only station even remotely likely to air it. There was a FOX cameraman at the event but I am pretty sure he wasn't getting the juicy stuff.
It's time to get the word out."
Good work! There must be some way to get this video aired.
I personally woudn't know where to start but there must be a FReeper somewhere that knows. You be careful out there. You are dealing with a bunch of nutcases and there is no telling what they are capable of.
Make copies available to Rush, Hannity, and Hewitt. And for good measure, make copies and send them to Homeland Security and the FBI.
I bet Newsweek will air it!
In all seriousness... find a webhost for it. It will spread like wildfire. Forget the networks.
Keeping tabs on this for later.
The blogs will help, too, because the blogs are activating news coverage just as Drudge was finally able to do (after being dismissed for years).
F'n sad. I look forward to seeing more footage.
Border issues documentary PING!
Interesting post. The event sounds like an anti-ID rally held by militant Hispanics recently in a Maryland suburb of Wash, DC.
What was the event and where is Baldwin Park?
I see the text mentions possible televising in Santa Barbara so I'm assuming that Baldwin Park is somewhere in or near SB. Is that right?
Obviously many in attendence were Hispanic militants and the report mentioned one group, Mecha/Aztlan. Was that group the sole sponsor? Did some non-Hispanic leftist groups co-sponsor? Was there a specific reason for the event such as opposing some bill in the legislature?
Incredible footage.
The enemy within.
Why not agree to give LA back? These folks are doing us a favor.
check this out! grrrr!
FOX's weekend guy - Brian - has been asking for interesting video .. it's worth a try!
Good idea, if they'll (FBI, Homeland Security) pay attention, that is.
If not, let Rush, Sean, Hewitt...heck send it in to Savage too...let them bang their collective drums and expose these treasonous dirt-bags for what they are!
Baldwin Park is in Los Angeles...
The usual Leftist organizations were deeply involved with this.
See the keywords for earlier threads.
No, Baldwin Park is over 2 hours south east of Santa Barbara.
S.B. used to be known as "Reagan Country" once upon a time. Gorgeous little conservative, upscale, seaside town, at least once upon a time it used to be.
Probably much more liberal now than 20-30 years ago.
Ping to ya...
Jackson Heights , Patterson
keyword, I rounded up a few threads under that keyword....
This was also a big event out here:
Seems someone has decided to take L.A. back.....
American for Legal Immigration
See the thread Mexico Has Confirmed It.... Los Angeles, CA is now LOS ANGELES, MEXICO
For explanation.
BTTT! I'll send the link to everyone I can think of.
"Why not agree to give LA back?"
If they take back LA they have to take San Francisco to it MUST be a package deal!!!
Newsweek wouldn't air it since the producer isn't anonymous.
bookmark for later
their planning doesn't surprise me in the least. It's pretty spot on exactly what the leftists here do for their protests as well. I'm sure the anarchists, mechas, greenpeace, and the rest get their training and plans from the same masters.
Who funds those agitators is something to be looked at.
U.S.-Mexico Border 2012 Framework
Just FYI, when they speak of the BORDER REGION, if you go to the EPA website you find in the archives, the Border XXI REGION. The border between the U.S. and Mexico has been replaced by a shaded zone running between the two countries.
Tell me, how many people have heard of the BORDER REGION project and how it is tied to NAFTA and immigration policy??
In addition, they, along with his eminence, Mexican President Vicente Fox, believe they should be allowed to vote in our elections as well as Mexico's, even if they know less English than I know Greek
TxDOT eyes La Entradas potential (Trans-Texas Corridor) aka, Illegal Alien Highway
Quoting from CorridorWatch:
News Flash - March 11, 2005>
See HB-3363 Note Below - Updated March 20, 2005
Without advance public notice, and announced late on the last day for legislative bills to be filed without the Governor's approval, TxDOT Officials joined by Governor Perry and Federal Highway Administrator Mary Peters signed a 342-page agreement with Cintra Concesiones de Infraestructuras de Transporte SA (Madrid, Spain) to create a master plan to finance and build the TTC-35 Trans Texas Corridor generally parallel to IH-35 from the Valley to the Red River. Despite growing concerns over the TTC project, Governor Perry and state officials are charging ahead as quickly as possible to build the first 600-mile segment of the 4,000-mile Trans Texas Corridor. Portions of this agreement are being kept secret under the guise that they contain proprietary business information. CorridorWatch.org believes in open and transparent government.[snip]
And more....
La Entrada al Pacifico, or Gateway to the Pacific
From Presidio to the Pacific
In 2003, Mexico will complete a major section of a new trade corridor to Texas, the La Entrada al Pacifico, or Gateway to the Pacific. The new route is expected to increase trade between the U.S. and Mexico--particularly in Mexico's largest state, Chihuahua--by providing a highway from Chihuahua to Presidio, Texas.
Texas already has most of the necessary infrastructure in place to take advantage of trade opportunities as they develop in Chihuahua. While some projects are in the works to accommodate increased trade in Texas, the majority of the La Entrada effort is taking place
LULAC's apparent attempt to denigrate the meaning and value of U.S. citizenship extends to the franchise. In The 1998 LULAC Legislative Platform, the organization appears to condone, if not actually promote, the violation of this country's election laws. According to the section entitled ''Voter Registration and Citizenship'' ''LULAC actively encourages eligible Hispanics to fully participate in the democratic process and register to vote. We also encourage those who are eligible to become citizens'' (italics added). Since the law states one must be a U.S. citizen in order to be eligible to vote, the wording of this LULAC platform encourages voter fraud.
MALDEF successfully lobbied for passage of the ''motor-voter'' bill of 1993 that allows voter registration at welfare offices or when applying for a drivers' license; mandates mail-in voter registration and discourages States from verifying the applicant's eligibility or citizenship.
"While I am saying this half serious and half joking, I think we are practicing la reconquista in California." ~ Jose Pescador Osuna, Mexican Consul General, Feb 2002.
"I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders and that Mexican migrants are an important - a very important - part of this." ~ Ernesto Zedillo, Former President of Mexico, speaking in Chicago, July 23, 1997.
"Mexico extends beyond its borders." ~ Vicente Fox, Current President of Mexico, speaking to a gathering in Milwaukee in July of 2001
"California is going to be a Hispanic State and anyone who doesn't like it should leave. They should go back to Europe." ~ Mario Obledo, President of the Californian Coalition of Hispanic Organisations, June 1998
"Our devil has pale skin and blue eyes..." "To the gringos in the audience, I have one final message to convey, 'Up yours, baby. You've had it, from now on.' " ~ Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas.
"We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population... I love it. They are sh!tting in their pants with fear. I love it.... We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him." ~ Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas.
"Remember 187 (proposition to deny taxpayer funds for services to non citizens) was the last gasp of white America in California."
~ Art Torres, Chairman of the California Democratic Party in front of 400 cheering Latinos at U.C. Riverside on January 14, 1995.
"We need to avoid a white backlash by using codes understood by Latinos... non-Latinos aren't watching, they aren't raising questions" ~ Fernando Guerra, professor, Loyola Marymount
"Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people. It is your duty to die. .. Through love of having children, we are going to take over." ~ Augustin Cebeda, of the 'Brown Berets', a militant Aztlan group at a violent rally in Los Angeles on July 4, 2000.
"Fair housing agencies report a surge in discrimination by immigrant landlords from many nations who refuse to rent outside their ethnic group." ~ Reported in Los Angeles Times, Nov. 21 2001.
"In an extraordinary political move, President Vicente Fox has announced the formation of a cabinet level agency to govern, protect and provide services to over 20 million Mexicans now living in Aztlan, a territory encompassing most of the southwest part of the USA. President Fox declared yesterday that he will personally lead the new agency he named "Consejo Nacional para las Comunidades Mexicanas en el Exterior" (National Council for Mexican Communities Abroad). The "Council" will consist of the president, most of the cabinet secretaries and a, as of yet unnamed, representative from Aztlan. This is a bold move that essentially extends the arm of the Mexican government into the territories it previously lost during the Mexican-American War of 1848." ~ Reported in "La Voz de Aztlan", August 7, 2002.
"We have Nicaragua, soon we will have El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Costa Rica, and Mexico. One day, tomorrow or five years or fifteen years from now, we're going to take 5 to 10 million Mexicans and they are going into Dallas, into El Paso, into Houston, into New Mexico, into San Diego, and each one will have embedded in his mind the idea of killing ten Americans." ~Thomas Borge, Nicaragua Interior Minister as quoted in the Washington Times, March 27, 1985
YW EAB ~ jj :)
Waste of time.
The only message that counts is the one we send in 2008.
If the One-Worlders are still in charge of the Republican Party, we must grit our teeth and do the right thing!
Of course, when PJB warns us of this very real peril the elitists from both parties rush out the wood, nails, and hammers.
We can not wait till 2006. By then, your voice may be silenced by alien and non-citizen votes. Fox is pushing this NOW. We have to secure the voice of the American citizen first.. No Amnesty.
So with the encouragement of the U.S. government and with the financial support of major U.S. corporations and foundations, LULAC, MALDEF, MEChA/MEXA, and La Raza, pillars of the radical ''Hispanic'' lobby, successfully and aggressively promote hatred of the history, identity, culture, language, and laws of the United States.
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"It's Time To Get The Word Out"!
Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!
Be Ever Vigilant!
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Thanks for the ping!
Amen! In the primary, forget beancounting reckonings of 'electability'---vote only for a pro-sovereignty candidate.
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About the Author: Adrienne Bory serves as the Public Affairs Officer for the State Department's Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor. She interviewed Deputy Assistant Secretary Jeffrey Krilla.MS. BORY: Deputy Assistant Secretary Krilla, you are finishing up your participation at the International Seminar on Business and Human Rights in Paris. Can you tell us what the conference was all about?
MR. KRILLA: Sure, the conference celebrates the 60th Anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. And since the Declaration was adopted by the UN General Assembly here in Paris sixty years ago, the Paris location was really a deliberate tribute to that groundbreaking moment in history.
The location was a tribute -- but the actual conference brought civil society, governments, business and trade unions together to discuss business and human rights. It is a key opportunity for the international community to review global progress on the relationship with business enterprise and human rights and to chart developments ahead.
MS. BORY: Was this all just lip service or did you find that governments and business are truly making a solid effort to promoting common good?
MR. KRILLA: The companies that are represented at this conference tend to be thought leaders in their industries -- and as such tend to be in tune with their impact on human rights in countries in which they operate, as well as more general corporate social responsibility. So they really have an interest in sitting down with other players. Likewise, governments have the responsibility of protecting the rights of their citizens -- whether they acknowledge that responsibility or not. Many companies are responsible for positive developments, in even repressive countries, so governments are a captive audience. And civil society, those NGOs and local organizations that closely follow these issues, act as a kind of glue to keep everyone honest. All the stakeholders have an interest in being here and getting down to business.
MS. BORY: Should companies really be held responsible?
MR. KRILLA: We believe it is the duty of governments to protect the rights of its citizens. Certainly we expect companies to respect the rights of its labor force, the human rights of the communities in which they operate, and it would be great if they, to whatever extent they can, use their influence to put pressure on governments to promote general good and Universal Human Rights -- but ultimately we look to governments to secure the protections of human rights.
Also, any business/human rights initiatives must also be voluntary. When we talk about international CSR (Corporate Social Responsibility) frameworks and human rights, we feel that any type of mandatory approach in the international arena dangerously shifts the focus of accountability for human rights violations away from governments.
Attempts to push the responsibility for protecting human rights away from governments and onto the private sector are a challenge that we face today. While the ultimate goal of protecting human rights is one I have spent most of my career working on, this approach can create the perception that governments have less of a responsibility to end human rights abuses for which they are ultimately responsible. The key to ending abuses by private sector companies or any other actor is for governments to promote, enforce, and respect the rule of law.
MS. BORY: What can these governments do when countries don't comply?
MR. KRILLA: The countries that are attending these events, the Swiss, the French, South Africa and others, are not exactly the "who's who" of human rights abusers. The challenge of those governments who respect human rights is to work together to press other governments to respect human rights -- to help governments put human rights laws on the books or respect the human rights standards laid out in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. And where they have good laws on their books, to make sure they are enforcing those laws.
When companies are operating in an environment where the government itself has difficulty enforcing -- or chooses not to enforce -- laws that provide for human rights of their citizens, it presents a significant challenge to the multinational businesses.
MS. BORY: Why?
MR. KRILLA: Their operations can run the risk of adding to the problem through ignoring the needs of the local communities or providing inadequate conditions to their labor work force. However, increasingly, companies are recognizing their responsibilities over their global supply chains.
Outsourcing their production does not mean they can outsource their responsibility.
MS. BORY: How is the U.S. Government working to promote human rights and business?
MR. KRILLA: This is where our multi-stakeholder approach on this issue has been most helpful -- bringing together companies with significant overseas supply chains, NGOs that understand these environments and ultimately, the governments themselves and their human rights obligations to their citizens. These issues are complex and often have not only social, but economic and governance implications. Without the participation of all stakeholders, it's difficult to effectively address these multiple facets.
Whether we are talking about trying to eradicate the worst forms of child labor in the cocoa fields of West Africa, or stop forced labor surrounding illegal logging in the Amazon, or provide adequate factory worker rights globally, each of these stakeholders brings important value to the discussion.
Of particular importance to improving success of business/human rights initiatives is the participation of governments whose countries host operations of multinational corporations. Given that the CSR movement sprang from the need to fill governance gaps in countries where multinational corporations have operations, including host governments is critical to developing truly viable solutions to these issues. For example, the Voluntary Principles on Security and Human Rights, or VPs, include guiding principles to which extractive companies commit with regards to their interactions with public security -- these can only be truly effective with the support of the host government.
SNP in Syria writes:
The private sector (Corporate interests) has been the primary supporter of Human right abusers world wide, from setting up Banana Republics to Aramco Sheiks. They in fact have violently overthrown dozens of progressive leaders worldwide and installed puppet juntas in place that are documented to be the most oppressive regimes ever, responsible for the most notoriously hideous crimes against humanity. In fact, Private Sector, acted violently against those that want to bring better government and human rights, just to protect own greedy personal and corporate business interests. In many instance, the Private Sector in so doing not only abused laws, corrupted officials and supported criminalities in foreign nations, but in fact undermined their own in the process and acted against own nation political and National security interests . Private, dedicated NGO's are the better flag bearer for this cause.
Ron in New York writes:
As globalization and privatization mature; the role of the private sector in Human Rights will grow larger. The UN Global Compact recognizes this important role and works closely with the private and NGO sectors to ensure that Universal Human Rights standards are adopted, maintained and upheld.
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@ Ron in NY said: The U.N. Global Compact recognizesãã The U.N. failed in its mission completely. For 40 years it stood by watching while members of the U.N. not only discarded the U.N. Charters they agreed and signed on to, but in fact committed atrocities against own populations and that of other member nations, all can be prosecuted under war crimes laws, but the U.N looked the other way while massacres raged for decade. It is now an obsolete Organization that has been reduced into a tool for colonials to justify illegal occupations. It must be disbanded and not relied upon by descent nations. This is not an Org that can be trusted with human Rights Issues. Non profit NGOs are far more responsive and active in dealing with right abuses.


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Posted on 06/21/2012 5:59:06 PM PDT by beachn4fun
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Here in New England where I live, baseball is a near-religious pursuit. Even if it were against the law to talk about the Boston Red Sox while at work, the fans couldnt stopthey love their team that much.
That raises a question in my mind for Christians: Are there times when a Christian shouldnt talk about God? I think so. In the face of insincere challenges to our faith, silence may often be the best response. In the hostile situation of Jesus exchange with Caiaphas, He chose silence at first (Matt. 26:63). He understood that Caiaphas wasnt interested in the truth (v.59). While we dont always know anothers heart, we must be sensitive to the leading of the Spirit in every situation that we may know how [we] ought to answer each one (Col. 4:6).
Also, if an answer to a question will move the discussion down a rabbit trail and away from Christ, we might want to stop the conversation and pick it up another day.
Are there other times when silence may be best? If talking about faith distracts us or co-workers from performing our job, we should stay focused on our work. Or if someone has shown a continual resistance, we might choose to stop pressing them. Remember, we can be a witness of Gods grace with our conduct as well (1 Peter 3:1-2).
Read: Matthew 26:57-64
Thank you for being fabulous Beachie & sweet dreams! *Hugs*
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Good evening, AZ....d:o)
How are you this fine evening? How was your commute? Any bunnies to impede your travels home? *HUGS*
God bless all our Canteen heroes....and yes, ALL the military heroes around the world!
That list keeps growing, Kathy! ((((hugs))))
And a very good evening to you Kathy!
Commute went well & went grocery shopping this evening...power shopping! LOL
Saved 39% or almost $90.00. w00t!
I've been teaching myself Adobe X Pro at work & converting all my documents to fillable Pdf. I think I'm making great headway but I seem to be missing patches of hair on my head...hummmmm! ROFL
And how was your day? Does your diverted path home take much more time?
Thank you Ma'am!
Thanks, AZ, for the red, white, and blue tribute.
Off for home...shutting down internet.
I'm home!! It's hot!!!!! Turning fans on.....
My red shirt is hanging on the doorknob...ready for morning.
A short day for me...I have a roofer coming to check out the attic insulation, any insulation that should be on the vents, see where the water is getting into the sun tunnel, etc, etc. Then I call a guy, at 8am, who was recommended to maybe redo the front stairs to the porch....they are in horrible shape. I'm hoping he can come, too, as I will already be home.
The handyman is coming Monday to disconnect the old dishwasher and get it out onto the deck. The new will be delivered Wednesday and be installed whenever our inspector can do it, between jobs he is already on.
Elmendorf is at the north end of Anchorage; Eielson is pretty close to Fairbanks, "the interior".
At 1920 it is in the 70s here.....HOT!!!
Hmmm...Nairobi? LOL!
Good morning, ML...((HUGS))...have a sunny and good Friday.
Nite, Conor! (((hugs)))
See ya in the morning! :)
Good morning, early bird...((HUGS))
Yes, our list of heroes gets longer. God Bless them all!
Have a wonderful Friday.
Excellent job, AZ!!
G'Day, Janey...((HUGS))...Inhale Freedom!!
Are you still doing ground school?
Thank you for doing your part to help keep all of us free and safe.
Thanks, unique, for the pastries.
Coffee is always on........
How about a donut?
Good night.
((HUGS))Good morning, Kathy. How's it going?
Friday Morning Coffee Bump.
Good morning, E...((HUGS))...Friday finally got here. I'm only going to work 1/2 day because a roofing guy and maybe a front porch stairs guy are coming to look at repairs.
You and Bo have a good day.
crap, what happened to my outside border? It was pink last night.
first things first
first things first
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apolon wrote:Chrl42: I think that the Zhuni pot is much older (late Qing/ early ROC), but who would know this things for sure?
auhckw wrote:Artist pot.. Duanni... Fully hand made... About 300ml...
Nice.. but the price tag is kind of... USD2,500... Nice, but this is not my level yet
TokyoB wrote:auhckw wrote:Artist pot.. Duanni... Fully hand made... About 300ml...
Nice.. but the price tag is kind of... USD2,500... Nice, but this is not my level yet
I have seen this type of pot before, and I know it is a famous style, but what is it supposed to be modeled after? What is the Chinese name again? I know chrl42 is familiar with this style.
Auhckw - I like how you said "yet".
TIM wrote:
The style It's call Welcome Spring pot. Suppose to be the first tea pot made in Ming dynasty by a young boy from a temple. It represents spring nature, but the original one lost the lid and every masters afterward tried to interpret the original lid design by themselves.
TokyoB wrote:TIM wrote:Thanks TIM! What is the Mandarin for "Welcome Spring" in this case?
debunix wrote:So the pot texture is supposed to represent the soft mud around the spring?
bagua7 wrote:auhckw wrote:
大茶树记 – 青灰泥 – 德钟壶
dà chá shù jì – qīng huī ní – dé zhōng hú
Qing Hui Ni is one of the sub category of Zini. Less common. As expensive/rare as modern Zhuni. This retains heat very very well. Brings out the flavor and smoothness. Good to brew aged tea.
Decided to dedicate for: Raw Pu-erh (15 years above)
I thought QHN was greyish; in fact, qing hui means graphite colour. I also read somewhere that nowadays this clay is made by adding other clay to duan ni clay, in order to reach the desired effect since real QHN pots are worth thousands. Another clay that has been mined out in the existing mines.
Your pot looks to me a common Qing Shui Ni.


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Rio Tinto Says 'Tough' Energy, Aluminum Units Need Cost Cutting
Rio Tinto Group (RIO) needs to cut costs to remain competitive amid 'very tough times' for its aluminum, coal and uranium businesses, Chief Executive Officer Sam Walsh said.
China's economy dipped in the first three months of the year and the world economy remains volatile, the head of the London-based company said today in an interview with Nine Entertainment Co. television.
Waning global demand for commodities is prompting Rio and rival miners of commodities from gold to coal to trim assets and staff as they are squeezed by unfavorable foreign exchange rates, falling prices and rising costs. Iron ore, which accounts for 91 percent of Rio Tinto's net income, fell 4.5 percent last week to its lowest level this year.
Cost cutting "is not easy, this is a process that is very, very tough, but we need to get on top of it because we need to have a business that will be competitive," Walsh said. "When I look at both our energy and our aluminum business, they're going through very tough times."
The company is cutting 217 jobs at its London head office as part of $5 billion in planned cost reductions, and will trim 2013 capital spending to $13 billion from $17 billion last year.
In February Rio Tinto announced its first full-year loss after taking a $14 billion writedown on the value of its aluminum and coal assets, including a $38 billion cash deal for Alcan Inc. in 2007 that made it the world's second-largest producer of aluminum.
The price of copper, seen as a bellwether commodity due to its range of industrial uses, gyrated last week as downbeat industrial data from China contrasted with better-than-expected U.S. job growth. Copper for delivery in three months at the London Metal Exchange hit an 18-month low May 1 before recording its biggest one-day jump over a similar period May 3.
"We're in for more volatile times," Walsh said today. "The world is an uncertain place."
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Debates of Nov. 17th, 2009
House of Commons Hansard #111 of the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was colombian.
- Question Period
- Privacy Commissioner
- Financial Transactions and Reports Analysis Centre
- Canada-Jordan Free Trade Act
- Interparliamentary Delegations
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- Radiocommunication Act
- Petitions
- Questions Passed as Orders for Returns
- Canada-Colombia Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
- National Association of Friendship Centres
- Birthday Congratulations
- Aboriginal Friendship Centres
- Osteoporosis Month
- Fraser River Sockeye
- Canadian Navy Members
- Charity Hockey Games
- Grenville Canal
- Canada-Jordan Free Trade
- National Association of Friendship Centres
- Aboriginal Affairs
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- International Trade
- Election of a New Member in the Riding of Hochelaga
- Aboriginal Affairs
- Government Policies
- The Environment
- Health
- Nuclear Energy
- The Environment
- Nuclear Energy
- Political Party Financing
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- Poverty
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- Presence in Gallery
- Economic Recovery Act (stimulus)
- Points of Order
- Canada-Colombia Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
- Business of the House
- Canada-Colombia Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
- Criminal Code
- Committees of the House
Criminal Code
Private Members' Business
5:35 p.m.
Geoff Regan Halifax West, NS
Mr. Speaker, I am very pleased to take part in the debate on Bill S-205. Since this is a bill that starts with "S", it means that it began in the Senate and has arrived in this place. It was introduced in the Senate by a Liberal senator. He can be very proud of his work in the field this bill deals with, which is terrorism and justice.
Senator Grafstein introduced this bill in the other place. I understand that he will be retiring in December. I think he will be recognized for this legislation, for all the great work he has done over years and for his service to Canada. Senator Grafstein is well known by all members of this House.
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Private Members' Business
5:35 p.m.
John Baird Ottawa West—Nepean, ON
A very good member.
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Private Members' Business
5:35 p.m.
Geoff Regan Halifax West, NS
Mr. Speaker, he is a very good member, as my colleague, the Minister of Transport said. I am sure the senator would appreciate that.
Senator Grafstein is also well known in this House for the fact that over the years he has worked very hard to maintain strong relations with our neighbour to the south, our strongest and greatest trading partner, the United States. Not only has he done that, but he has also advocated very strongly and vehemently over the years on behalf of Canada with his many colleagues and friends in the American Congress and Senate. He has very good contacts there and has advocated on Canada's behalf. He has tried to influence things positively and has often done so over the years.
For instance, he pointed out to our American friends that when 9/11 occurred, none of the terrorists who took part in those actions came from Canada. This is an important point that some of our American friends unfortunately did not understand at the time.
Since they are supporting this legislation, it is clear that the NDP, the Bloc and even the Conservatives share that sentiment and recognize the value of our senators and their contributions. It is a positive sign. The fact is all parties in this House have shown their support for Bill S-205 which passed the Senate on June 10 of this year.
The Senate adopted the bill to ensure greater clarity in relation to particular measures. The Liberal Party fully supports this initiative and we support this bill. Of course, it being a private member's bill, these matters are free votes for our party, but I can say confidently that my colleagues will be supporting it.
It is a very short bill. It essentially has one key paragraph that I would like to read:
Section 83.01 of the Criminal Code is amended by adding the following after subsection (1.1):
(1.2) For greater certainty, a suicide bombing comes within paragraphs (a) and (b) of the definition "terrorist activity" in subsection (1).
Canadians probably believe that suicide bombings are already illegal under our Criminal Code, and they are right. Someone listening may ask how we would penalize a suicide bomber. If the person is successful, obviously there is no penalty that can be applied. However, suicide bombers are not always successful. What we are talking about, in part, is someone who attempts to commit a suicide bombing, or perhaps people who might try to assist or prepare that person for that event, to supply the person with materials for example. These are all relevant parts of that activity.
It is simple common sense that a suicide bombing would be considered a terrorist activity. I had a look at the definition in section 83.01 of the Criminal Code, and it is a fairly long and complicated definition of what terrorist activity is. I think it is reasonably clear, but it would not hurt at all and it is probably wise to make this absolute clarification for greater certainty.
I endorse what Senator Grafstein has done in this regard. It is no wonder that all parties in the House are supporting this bill.
My understanding is that we will be the first country in the world to take this step to clarify this matter, and it is a positive step. I look forward to the bill going to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights and to its eventual passage.
Suicide bombings are horrendous, terrible acts. Who can forget watching the television on the morning of September 11, 2001?
I remember sitting in my office in Nova Scotia. The night before, I had been at a reception at what we call the World Trade and Convention Centre in Halifax. My assistant came into the room and said, "Turn on the TV. I just got a call saying that a plane has flown into the World Trade Center". I thought my assistant meant the one in Halifax. That was my first reaction since I had just been there the night before and had it in my mind. I turned the TV on and saw that it was not that at all, that it was the World Trade Center. Moments later, maybe a minute or two after turning on the television, I saw the second plane fly into the other tower.
With the first plane I thought maybe it was an accident, that it was possible there was some bizarre situation with the pilot, a mechanical problem, a problem with navigation and somehow the plane ended up flying into the building. But with the second one, everyone knew. It did not take long to dawn on me that there was only one possible explanation, the horrible explanation that it was, and we all saw the terrible result. Even while watching the flames it did not occur to me; maybe there were structural engineers watching who recognized what would happen next, but I do not think most of us could imagine that those buildings would collapse in the horrible way they did with the tremendous loss of life that resulted.
That type of activity has never happened here. We have been fortunate in Canada. We have been spared that sort of terrorist attack, which was a successful attack certainly, but we have seen the devastation that it has caused abroad. Thousands of innocent people have died and even more have been injured.
This is truly a despicable act and we must recognize that. I hope we never experience it here, but we must recognize that there is the danger of experiencing it here. It clearly is a distorted action of depraved and distorted minds, people who are misguided and who perhaps have been brainwashed in various ways.
Let us think about the number of suicide bombings that have been carried out around the globe in the last number of years. We were all shocked by 9/11, as I mentioned. We remember the one in Madrid, which was not that long ago. In 2007 there were the London subway attacks. In 2008 there were the attacks in Mumbai, which are being recognized this week with the Prime Minister's visit there.
This bill serves to illustrate the fact that suicide bombings happen elsewhere, that they are horrible and that they could, sadly, happen here. The statistics are shocking. From 2000 to 2004, 472 known suicide bombings took place in 22 different countries. Wow. They resulted in more than 7,000 people killed and tens of thousands wounded, the horror of those actions on innocent people.
Going beyond this bill, we need to address the root causes of terrorism. I am not saying we could ever eradicate all people who might commit a terrorist act, but it is important that we work for peace to flourish, that we work to reduce the possibility, that we work to remove the fertile ground on which terror may flourish. We need to ask why it happens and what we can do to stop it.
The changes to the Criminal Code with this bill help set the stage for that kind of discussion. Senator Grafstein has done a tremendous service with this bill, as he has so often done throughout his career. It is appropriate to acknowledge his hard work for initiating this bill many years ago. It has been a while getting to this point. Because of his commitment, we are able to send a clear message to the world that this country stands firmly against terrorism.
Let me conclude with a quote from Senator Grafstein. He said in February:
Suicide bombing has become an all too frequent practice in many countries throughout the world. Thousands of civilians are killed and maimed to advance a cause based on falsely implanted expectations of glory and martyrdom. We say no cause can justify suicide bombing.
Criminal Code
Private Members' Business
5:45 p.m.
Joe Comartin Windsor—Tecumseh, ON
Mr. Speaker, I rise, as I think everybody else has so far, to support this bill. The bill, and I have said this to my caucus, in its technical basis may not be necessary. In fact, one could argue strongly is it not necessary. However, that is not the reason we would support it. We support it because of the message it would send. I think that is clear from, again, some of the speeches I have heard from all parties, that we understand this.
In that regard, to be a bit technical, this is an amendment to a section of the Criminal Code that is part of the anti-terrorism sections in the code. There is a specific provision now in the code that speaks of violent acts as being a terrorist activity, depending on what the intent is of the conduct. We are amending that to say suicide bombing would be a specific example of this type of violence. Again, as a lawyer, it is probably not necessary to do this.
However, in terms of the role we also play in this legislature, and in any democratically-elected legislature, we also have to provide leadership and examples to the country. Part of that leadership and the examples we provide are on those occasions when we need to speak a strong voice of denunciation, and we must do that. This is one of those times it is necessary to do that.
One could argue that there are all sorts of other times where we may do it and not have any particular impact and so we probably should not. However, in this case the message we would send to our citizenry and to rest of the world is this is a particularly abhorrent type of murder, one that has become, unfortunately, for the peace and safety of the world, all too common.
In preparation for this, I did some background reading. One could argue that this type of murder, this type of violent, abhorrent criminal activity, is a fairly new concept, and there is a great deal of truth to that. I think most observers internationally recognize that the first modern suicide bomber came out of the conflict in Sri Lanka, in the late 1960s through to the mid-1970s, and was used very often, again, unfortunately for the peace and safety of the citizenry of that country.
Unfortunately, it also provided a message to other terrorist groups and groups bent on the use of violence to achieve their ends, a methodology that could be used, and it has spread to any number of countries in the world. Our response to that must be this act of denunciation on our part, to simply say this is not acceptable.
Again, there are strong arguments that we can go back and look at the use of people committing a criminal act, killing other people and, at the same time, taking their own lives. It existed long before the incidents in Sri Lanka made this so prominent a tool for those who had a significant absence of sanity in their conduct.
It is impossible to imagine anyone encouraging other people to strap explosives to their bodies, conceal them on their bodies, move into a highly travelled area where there are a number of other human beings and set off those explosives, taking their own lives and those of any number of innocent bystanders. It is the act of someone who is insane.
I do not have any doubt in my mind that by supporting and passing the bill, it will change the minds of those people who are that lacking in mental health. However, there is a broader audience to which we need to speak, the audience of those individuals who would consider doing this and allow themselves to be talked into it. They need to hear that democratic societies do not function on the basis of force and violence. We need to repudiate that at every opportunity.
Since we are being given that in this case, it is appropriate and very important that the House as a whole, when this comes up for a vote, which I believe will be tomorrow evening, give this unanimous support. I know it simply means it will go to committee and we will study it more there. I cannot imagine there will be any amendments. It will then come back here and, again, it is extremely important that it receives unanimous support for the purposes of expressing denunciation and sending this very clear message. If one is going to consider using violence to achieve one's ends, whether they be political, religious or any number of other ideological goals, a particular violence that is as abhorrent as this is, we are going to denounce that as the representatives of our country, both to our citizenry and to the rest of the world.
Criminal Code
Private Members' Business
5:55 p.m.
Ed Fast Abbotsford, BC
Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the opportunity to speak in favour of Bill S-205. The bill introduces greater certainty into the Criminal Code by specifically including the term "suicide bombing" under the definition of terrorist activity.
Some may ask why I, as a member for Parliament for Abbotsford on the west coast, would take such an interest in the subject of suicide bombings. Abbotsford has not yet experienced terrorism first hand, although drug and gang related violence remains a very serious challenge to our city and to our region. However, the residents of Abbotsford do understand that terrorism, in all of its forms, does in fact threaten our way of life and the values we hold so dear, values such as freedom, democracy, human rights and the rule of law. We understand how pervasive the threat of terrorism is and how difficult it is to fight this scourge within our global community.
The most important responsibility that governments have is to protect their citizens. It is a public trust, a sacred trust that is imposed upon us as parliamentarians to protect Canadians. That is why our Conservative government has been so focused on addressing some of the holes in our criminal justice system.
Let me provide the House with at least three reasons why I am supporting Bill S-205.
First, this year I had the opportunity to travel with our Minister of Citizenship, Immigration and Multiculturalism to India. Abbotsford has a large number of residents who identify themselves as Indian and maintain strong relationships with the world's largest democracy. Among other things, the minister and I travelled to the city of Mumbai where we visited the Taj Hotel and Chabad House. Those familiar with the events of November of last year know that these two facilities were among the buildings that were attacked by terrorists, resulting in the loss of many innocent lives, including the lives of two Canadians.
Chabad House was a hostel and a trading centre for the Jewish diaspora. Essentially it was a place of respite for travellers and others seeking spiritual guidance. The terrorists who attacked the centre tortured and then ultimately executed a number of the residents of that facility, including a rabbi and his wife. Similar scenes of horror played out in other parts of Mumbai, and the reason for these horrific acts, a complete absence of respect for the dignity and value of human life.
I am very pleased that yesterday our Prime Minister visited Mumbai to pay his respects to the Canadians and others who lost their lives in the Mumbai terrorist attack. As always, Canada stands in solidarity with India and the other nations of the world that defend freedom, democracy and the rule of law.
In May of this year I also had the opportunity to visit Israel and to meet with Israeli parliamentarians in their Knesset. Israelis are deeply appreciative of Canada's outstanding leadership in consistently speaking out and acting against anti-Semitism. Sadly, many around the world still have not learned the lessons of history and continue to advocate hatred and genocide against others.
The Israeli MPs we met with also expressed their profound concern over the very real and ongoing threat that terrorism, including suicide bombings, represented to their country and to Jews and other minority groups around the world.
My experiences in both India and Israel have reinforced my commitment to speak out against extremism and intolerance of all kinds, and I do strongly support the bill.
The second reason I support the bill is the ongoing threat that terrorism and suicide bombings represent to the safety and security of the brave men and women of our armed forces. Canada has lost over 130 Canadian soldiers to the conflict in Afghanistan. Some were lost to combat. Some were actually lost to accidental events. Many of the deaths were the result of cowardly roadside bombings. On top of that, 11 soldiers and one Canadian diplomat lost their lives to suicide bombers in Afghanistan.
Suicide bombers represent a daily threat to our soldiers as the latter do their part to improve safety, security and human rights in Afghanistan. The voices of our fallen Canadians call out for us to do everything in our power to ensure that other Canadians, both here in Canada and abroad, do not meet a similar fate. Bill S-205 responds to that call.
The third and final reason for my interest in this bill is the impact that terrorism has had on Canada. Sadly, Canada is not immune to the ideology, extremism and hatred that motivates terrorists. We kid ourselves if we believe that terrorists are not interested in Canada. It would be a mistake to forget that 24 innocent Canadian lives were lost during the tragic events of 9/11.
Canadians also remember and continue to mourn the tragic loss of hundreds of lives in the Air India bombing, a terrorist act spawned right here in our own country. Moreover, not long ago, 18 alleged terrorists were arrested in Canada. Their plan was to attack political and other high-profile targets in our country, including our Prime Minister. A number of the accused have already been convicted or have pleaded guilty to conspiring to commit terrorist acts and have been sentenced to prison terms.
Does Canada face an ongoing threat from terrorism? It most certainly does. That is why any legislation, including this bill, which improves the clarity and severity of the criminal sanctions against terrorism deserves our support.
There are those who state that the current definition of terrorist activity contained in the Criminal Code already implicitly includes suicide bombing when it is committed in the context of terrorism.
That may be so. A closer look at the definition of terrorist activity in the Criminal Code appears to incorporate criminal conduct as envisaged by the United Nations counterterrorism conventions. The second part of the definition includes terrorist activity that intentionally causes death or serious bodily harm, or that endangers a person's life.
The bill before us simply clarifies, for greater certainty, that suicide bombing is indeed a terrorist activity. There is also one added benefit to this bill that has already been articulated by others in the House. By specifically including the term "suicide bombing" in our Criminal Code, Canadians will demonstrate international leadership by specifically denouncing such bombings as a form of terrorist activity.
There is significant support in Canada for this bill. I am pleased that all four parties in the House have indicated that they plan to endorse this bill. There is also a group in Canada called Canadians Against Suicide Bombing, a Toronto-based group led by a former judge. It has been a leader in developing support for this Senate bill. Indeed, this organization has been successful in circulating an online petition that is generating much additional support. Many other Canadians have also signed an open letter of support.
The terrorists who commit these heinous acts will use women and children. Apparently, they are now even using mentally disabled children to conduct their heinous acts of carrying out suicide bombings. Suicide bombers strike all over the world. They strike at Canadians, Israelis, Iranians, Pakistanis, Indians and Sri Lankans. They strike at any target in order to advance their destructive agenda.
I strongly endorse Bill S-205. Once again, Canada has an opportunity to demonstrate its strong international leadership in defending free and democratic nations around the world who abide by the rule of law. Denouncing suicide bombings is simply the right thing to do. It goes without saying that I encourage all members of the House to support this bill.
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Private Members' Business
6:05 p.m.
The Acting Speaker Barry Devolin
The hon. member for Saskatoon—Rosetown—Biggar, with her five-minute right of reply.
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Private Members' Business
6:05 p.m.
Kelly Block Saskatoon—Rosetown—Biggar, SK
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to sponsor Bill S-205 and to close off our discussions today during this second hour of debate before, I trust, it is sent to the justice committee.
I want to summarize my opening comments and those expressed during the debate. However, before I do so, I would like to recognize and thank Senator Grafstein for his dedication and hard work in bringing this bill to the House.
The bill, as amended, is not overly broad or vague but still fulfills its intended purpose. The proposed amendment is designed to provide for maximum precision regarding what forms of suicide bombing are included in the definition of terrorist activity, and makes certain that suicide bombings unrelated to terrorist activity are not caught by the definition.
The definition of terrorist activity in section 83.01 of the Criminal Code has two components. The first incorporates a series of offences enacted to implement international legal instruments against terrorism.
The second, more general, stand-alone component states that a terrorist activity is "an act or omission" undertaken "in whole or in part for a political, religious or ideological purpose, objective or cause" intended to intimidate the public or compel a person, government or organization "to do or to refrain from doing any act", if the act or omission intentionally causes a specified serious harm.
Specified harms include causing death or serious bodily harm, endangering life, causing a serious risk to health or safety, causing substantial property damage where it would also cause one of the above listed harms and, in certain circumstances, causing serious interference or disruption of an essential service, facility or system, whether public or private.
Suicide attacks are intended to kill and maim innocent people and to inflict extensive property damage. Attackers are prepared to die in the process. Anyone who reads a newspaper, listens to the radio or watches television knows that suicide bombings occur on an alarmingly regular basis.
We all remember the attacks of September 11, 2001 that killed nearly 3,000 people in the World Trade Center in New York City. We also remember the July 7, 2007 London bombings and, as was mentioned, the 2008 attacks in Mumbai, India.
Bill S-205 is crafted to ensure the utmost precision about what forms of suicide bombing are included in the definition of terrorist activity.
No other country is known to refer specifically to suicide bombing in its definition of terrorism and terrorist activity, so Canada would be the first to signal its abhorrence of these cowardly acts by adopting such a reference in its legislative definition of terrorist activity.
Members of the House have a unique opportunity to be an example to the world. By passing Bill S-205, a made-in-Canada initiative to cover suicide bombing explicitly and to ensure that anyone who organizes, teaches or sponsors suicide bombing is criminally liable in Canada, you would be promoting a worthy aim.
Accordingly, I wish all hon. members in this chamber the fortitude to do the right thing and to pass this bill.
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Private Members' Business
6:10 p.m.
The Acting Speaker Barry Devolin
The question is on the motion. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?
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Private Members' Business
6:10 p.m.
Some hon. members
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Private Members' Business
6:10 p.m.
The Acting Speaker Barry Devolin
I declare the motion carried.
Accordingly the bill stands referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.
(Motion agreed to, bill read the second time and referred to a committee)
(On the Order: Concurrence in Committee Report:)
November 2, 2009—That the Seventh Report of the Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology (recommendation not to proceed further with Bill C-273, An Act to amend the Competition Act and the Canadian Environmental Protection Act, 1999 (right to repair)), presented on Monday, November 2, 2009, be concurred in—Mr. Chong
Industry, Science and Technology
Committees of the House
Routine Proceedings
6:10 p.m.
The Deputy Speaker Andrew Scheer
Pursuant to Standing Order 97.1(2) the motion to concur in the seventh report of the Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology (recommendation not to proceed further with Bill C-273, An Act to amend the Competition Act and the Canadian Environmental Protection Act, 1999 (right to repair)) presented on Monday, November 2, 2009 is deemed to be proposed.
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Committees of the House
Routine Proceedings
6:10 p.m.
Michael Chong Wellington—Halton Hills, ON
Mr. Speaker, it is an honour for me to address Bill C-273.
I am pleased to speak to the motion regarding the recommendation not to proceed with Bill C-273, the right to repair bill, which was proposed by my NDP colleague the member for Windsor West.
I want to commend the member for Windsor West for having proposed the bill. It is not easy for members of the House to successfully propose legislative changes that will better the lives of Canadians and Canada. It is rare for a private member's bill to be adopted by the House and even rarer for that bill to be adopted by the Senate and to receive royal assent. In effect, that is what has happened here.
The bill has been successful because of the adoption of the Canadian Automotive Service Industry Standard by automotive stakeholders. It is precisely because the purpose of the bill has been effected that the bill will not go any further in the parliamentary process. For that I want to commend the member for Windsor West.
In proposing the bill last spring, the member for Windsor West really forced auto sector stakeholders to recognize that they had to change. Those auto sector stakeholders realized that if they could not come together voluntarily to improve access to information and technologies that would allow independent repair shops to fix late model vehicles, then they would be forced to legislatively.
As a result of this realization, the stakeholders worked through the summer to resolve their differences and at the end of the summer they arrived at a voluntary agreement that was satisfactory to all parties involved. This voluntary agreement would not have happened had this private member's bill not been tabled in the House and had it not gone to committee.
The agreement, which is called the Canadian Automotive Service Industry Standard, or CASIS, is a voluntary agreement that was negotiated by vehicle manufacturers along with other stakeholders. It will make information and tools for the repair of vehicles available to independent repair shops on the same basis that brand name auto dealers have had for some time now.
Before I talk about the specifics of this voluntary agreement, let me first talk about the important role that the auto sector plays in the Canadian economy.
In 2008 there were 14 large scale passenger and commercial vehicle assembly plants which assembled more than two million vehicles in Canada. To put that in a North American context, this year North Americans are expected to purchase somewhere in the range of 10 million vehicles or so. Clearly, we have a significant portion of vehicle assembly in North America, close to 20%.
These 14 plants, which assembled these two million vehicles, represented 12% of our overall manufacturing output and 18% of our manufactured exports.
The sector directly employs 140,000 Canadians and another 230,000 Canadians are employed in the aftermarket sector. In addition, 30,000 Canadians are employed in the service and repair industry.
In 2008 the average life of a vehicle on the road was eight years. It is estimated that over the course of an average vehicle's life, $14,000 in repairs and service would be required. By 2010, it is estimated that this overall market in Canada will be $19.2 billion. That is a big market.
Because the aftermarket repairs and service is such an important part of the Canadian economy, the government is pleased to see that the automotive sector, that is the automakers on the one hand and the aftermarket repair and service sector on the other hand, come together to sign on to CASIS.
Before CASIS was agreed to some independent automotive service and repair shops expressed concern that they were not always able to provide service to their customers because they lacked the information, the tools, the software and training required to accurately perform the diagnostic and repair services so often required on today's computer controlled vehicles.
Under this voluntary agreement, all repair and service shops will be able to access repair and service information provided they do two things: first, they commit to the provisions of CASIS; and second, they make the necessary investments in equipment, tools and training.
This voluntary agreement is consistent with the spirit and intent of the instructions that were provided by the Minister of Industry when he wrote to officials in the automotive sector on April 14 of this year. In that letter he expressed a desire to resolve the right to repair issue and stated the government's support for an industry-led voluntary solution, fashioned after the U.S. agreement, which would satisfy the needs of Canadian automotive auto repair companies.
In the United States, vehicle manufacturers in the aftermarket industry worked together to develop a national automotive service task force, a voluntary agreement that has been in place for more than a decade. The benefits of the Canadian agreement is that it will foster greater competition by giving automotive consumers greater choice on where they get their vehicles repaired.
While we have supported the intent of my colleague's private member's bill, Bill C-273, we believe that a voluntary agreement negotiated by the private sector is superior to government regulation and are pleased that the committee and the member has agreed to this as well.
Let me finish by thanking all the people who worked so hard to get this agreement in place, the people at the National Automotive Trades Association, the people at the Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers' Association, the people at the Association of International Automobile Manufacturers of Canada, and all their member companies. I also want to recognize the Automotive Industries Association, AIA, for its persistence in bringing this matter to the attention of parliamentarians. I want to recognize the Minister of Industry for using this private member's bill to convince all the stakeholders involved to come to a voluntary agreement.
Finally, I want to recognize and thank the member for Windsor West who recognized the significance of this issue, introduced a bill that brought the issue to the forefront, and resolved the issue in the industry. Without him, none of this would have happened.
Competition is essential to the functioning of the marketplace. The Canadian automotive service industry standard agreement enhances competition by providing automotive consumers with a greater degree of choice about where they fix their vehicles. That is why I will support this voluntary agreement and that is why I support this motion not to proceed any further with Bill C-273.
Industry, Science and Technology
Committees of the House
Routine Proceedings
6:15 p.m.
Robert Bouchard Chicoutimi—Le Fjord, QC
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to address Bill C-273 on behalf of the Bloc Québécois.
Before I begin, I want to thank the hon. member for Windsor West for presenting this legislation, which seeks to promote competition in the automobile maintenance sector, so that Quebeckers and Canadians can enjoy affordable, accessible and quality services.
When a member tables a private member's bill and invests time and efforts in it, it is always nice to see that things can be changed. In this case, some actions were taken. The parties involved came to agreement, which means that this bill is no longer necessary.
In recent months, many if not all members of Parliament have received emails and letters asking them to either support Bill C-273, or oppose it. Personally, I received numerous representations from independent repair shops, dealers, associations and officials representing the various stakeholders.
On September 29, an agreement was reached on the maintenance of motor vehicles between the Association of International Automobile Manufacturers of Canada, the Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers' Association and the Canadian auto repair and maintenance industry. This agreement means, for all intents and purposes, the death of Bill C-273. I am using the word "death", but we could also talk about a "happy event", since an agreement was reached between the parties involved.
Even though Bill C-273 did not go further in the changes that it proposed, it was still a step in the right direction.
This is why, during its review by the Standing Committee on Industry, the main witnesses were pleased to see that the agreement essentially put an end to Bill C-273.
I am convinced that the pressure resulting from the introduction of Bill C-273 and its review in committee helped negotiate a quick solution. Since a similar voluntary program has been in place in the United States for the past few years, it was probably just a matter of time before an agreement would be reached here.
During my speech at second reading, I explained why the Bloc Québécois supported this legislation. I am going to quickly explain our position on this issue.
More and more, vehicles require electronic diagnostic tools. As a result, independent repair shops in more remote regions do not have access to the information needed for proper maintenance and repairs to vehicles. People who live in rural areas must travel great distances to have their vehicles serviced and repaired.
The bill would allow repair facilities in the regions to service vehicles for Quebeckers and Canadians in the very communities where they live. It would also allow consumers to go to the repair shop of their choice.
Neighbourhood garages in all regions of Quebec and Canada are important. Two of the largest replacement parts distributors, NAPA and Uni-Select, are located in Quebec. Together, they employ hundreds of Quebeckers in a Montreal plant, and they rely on neighbourhood and rural garages.
We think that the agreement and the forthcoming discussions among the parties will help protect jobs.
It is clear that this agreement among the parties will give consumers more flexibility in choosing the businesses they want to maintain and repair their vehicles. Auto makers want consumers to keep doing business with them. The Bloc Québécois believes that vehicle owners should have the right to choose their own mechanic.
During my previous speech on the subject, I asked why the solution we are talking about today had not already been implemented. For several years now, the United States has been considering legislation that would establish a policy similar to what we are debating today. They implemented a voluntary system that enables anyone to access the information for a fee.
In closing, I would like to thank all of the groups and stakeholders who appeared before the Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology for sharing their point of view with us.
Providing vehicle maintenance and repair technicians with access to the information and tools they need will improve the vehicle repair and maintenance market. Businesses will benefit from healthy competition and consumers in Quebec and Canada will benefit too.
I will close by saying that we support this motion. Once again, we are pleased to see that the parties to these talks have reached an agreement that will be good for consumers.
Industry, Science and Technology
Committees of the House
Routine Proceedings
6:25 p.m.
Brian Masse Windsor West, ON
Mr. Speaker, I am very pleased to speak today in support of this motion.
I want to begin by thanking the member for Wellington—Halton Hills, the chair of the industry committee. It is important for people to know that our committee, not only on this bill, is an example of the parliamentary process for a number of different reasons. The first and foremost reason is that the chair provides a fair and balanced approach, which is appreciated for many other pieces of legislation, as well as this one.
I would also like to thank the member for Saint John who just spoke. It is important to recognize that when this bill went through its first vote in the House of Commons, it passed with a margin of 248 in favour. I thank all those members who considered the importance of this bill, and that is critical.
I would also like to thank the parliamentary secretary, the member for Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, because this has been very much a challenging issue. I have spent three years on this bill trying to get a result, hopefully, for Canadians. If it had not been for working through problems, I do not think we would actually see a solution, which is now the CASIS agreement. As noted earlier, this is a provision that is new to Canada, which is something important to recognize. It has been available in the United States. The Americans actually have a different system. They have a system that is a national automotive service task force but it is backstopped by legislation.
I believe, though, that this bill is no longer necessary because there has been an agreement reached by all parties involved and I believe there will be enough public pressure on that.
I also would recognize that the current Minister of Industry and the previous minister of industry took interest in this, and I thank them both for doing so, to ensure Canadian consumers are protected.
I do want to impress upon people the importance of this bill in terms of what it means. It is important not just in terms of competition but it means a cleaner environment and it means public safety.
What was happening in our country is that we were literally being treated as a colony in many respects. We were being treated differently from the United States, Europe and other jurisdictions where new technology relating to onboard diagnostics, computerization literally of the automobile, was not being successfully passed on to the aftermarket industry. The end result was that Canadians could not get the best service or the most competitive prices.
What it meant for many of these aftermarket garages, many of which I visited across the country over a number of years, is that we would see technicians in Canada, who were better trained than those in the United States, who could not successfully repair vehicles because they could not download a program, for example, which is a real quick and easy thing to do. They wanted to pay for it and wanted to ensure it was done within the law but at the same time they were not provided it.
Meanwhile, the people in Windsor, Ontario, where I am from, could drive their cars over to Detroit, Michigan and get the same type of service from somebody less trained because the information was being provided by that company. Quite frankly, there were some companies that were better than others. General Motors is better, in general, about providing this information. Ford has recently released more of its information to comply with the spirit of the agreement which comes into effect later on, but will roll out, I hope, a very successful program. I believe the minister in this Parliament will have a due diligence to ensure that Canadians are treated fairly past the date of this bill.
When we look at the aftermarket, it is important to recognize its significance. This concerns over 200,000 jobs in Canada. I come from the auto sector. In terms of the auto industry, and Windsor being the auto capital of Canada, a bill like this would be seen with some type of curiosity. People may wonder why the member who represents the area of the auto market would bring in a bill that some of the auto companies were very opposed to. The reason is that after we sat down and started talking to some of these small shop owners and to the consumers, we saw what was going to take place. We were going to lose some very successful businesses across this country and we were going to see people even in the rural areas having to drive hundreds of kilometres further to get their vehicles serviced because of unfair competition, in my perspective, with the unavailability of codes, training and diagnostic equipment that was being provided in other nations across the globe, and particularly the United States, our neighbour.
That is why I introduced the bill and I would like to thank my family for putting up with travelling across the country to promote this.
I think of the people who have been part of this, and first and foremost are Nancy and Roger Suranyi of Namao Automotive who live just outside of Edmonton. I had a chance to really see the spirit of what was happening. They could not provide the same services they once did. Their facility was as clean as a whistle and their technicians were very well trained. It had been a family business for many years but they were slowly losing business related to the aftermarket. They could not get the same codes and equipment that were available before. In looking around the facility, not only did we see vehicles that needed repair but we also saw other vehicles, like a school bus, an ambulance and other types of service vehicles. I saw them in Windsor as well when I went to visit John Sawatsky of MSJ Automotive. We would have our Windsor police cruisers and ambulances in there.
The loss of this other business puts these businesses at risk and, subsequently, the service of other types of fleets of vehicles that we need a strong aftermarket for because they are not serviced through the normal dealership associations that are available.
That is why I introduced a bill in the previous Parliament which, at that time, was Bill C-425 and now it is Bill C-273 in this Parliament. It was fortunate enough to be selected high on the order paper.
It has been a great experience because I have learned more about Canadian business and the spirit of competition through this process than I ever thought I would. I would like to thank my staff who put up with this as well: Mohammed Pierre, Melanie Namespetra, Darlene Dunn Mahler, Karen Boise and Kieren MacKenzie, and all the volunteers we have because we really worked with a team. This took a lot of extra resources. Without their constant support, I would not have been able to go across the country.
I think about people I met, like Art Wilderman from the Canadian Independent Automotive Association, Bento from Toronto, John Strickey of Midas Auto Service in Halifax, Ron Jones of Mid-Island Automotive in Nanaimo and Mario Schuchardt of Canadian Tire in Burnaby. Those people often represented people who did not have a voice in the previous process. The aftermarket association had been advocating for a change for many years and, in my opinion, there had not been the respect paid to the industry that was necessary. Hence, the legislation was seen as the alternative because they could not go any further.
I also would like to thank a number of people from AIA: John Cochrane, Larry Goudge, Marc Brazeau, Deborah Moynes-Keshen, Mireille Schippers, Patty Kettles, Christine Farquharson and Scott Smith who I particularly want to recognize because he worked diligently on this bill and spent a lot of time away from his family. Also from the association were John Watt, Brad Morris and Mauro Cifelli.
It was an interesting group to work with because we saw medium and small businesses that banded together to bring forth an issue.
What we get with this agreement, the Canadian automotive service information standard, is a voluntary agreement that I am hoping the minister will keep a strong eye on. I am sure it will come to fruition. There will now be a process in place for the disbursement of the information, the codes, the technical information for the equipment, as well as the training capability.
It is very important that we recognize that none of this is to be provided for free. What they are asking for is the right to compete and that is why the bill has come forward. There is now a process in place to regulate the actual advancement of the codes, the training and the technology. There is also a dispute mechanism if there is a problem with regard to the releasing of that.
It is also important to note that it will no longer be a dog's breakfast in terms of which company will provide information and when. There would be a process in place for fair competition for all Canadians, which is good for public safety, for the environment and for consumers to choose the right to repair.


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I got this e-mail last week, I think the idea is awsome. So here you go:
I was hoping that there might be space in your front of house arty corner bit for my Lost Glove Project.
I started this project last year when living in down in Bristol... i started collecting abandoned gloves with the plan of displaying them in a progressive sculpture where people could come and claim lost gloves or drop off found gloves. Unfortunately the sculpture never happened as I moved up to Edinburgh and it was all a bit too hectic. BUT I did get a huge response from everyone and have a facebook group of more than 350 members and about the same number of gloves sitting in a bin bag waiting to be found and reloved.
Instead of creating a sculpture I was thinking of something easier and less time consuming, just a washing line (or several) displaying the gloves with spare pegs to add more. People could come to the forest and drop gloves off and claim a new one if theirs have run away..
Have a look at 'The Lost Glove Project' on facebook.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/gro ... 722&v=info
Hope to hear from you soon!
Rowena x'
The timing is perfect--->winter . I was thinking about to install it in the library corner, taking of the actual one with the parachutes, which I love though... Does anybody know to name and contact of the artist who made it?
The other option is making in somewhere else in the front room (hanging the gloves down from the ceiling, but it would be less interactive then).
What do you think?
x Kata