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Updated: February 19, 2016, 11:25 am
KEY: wildlife, hunting, recreation, wildlife conservation
Date of Enactment or Last Substantive Amendment: March 16, 2015
Notice of Continuation: October 5, 2015
Authorizing, and Implemented or Interpreted law: 23-14-18
(1) Under the authority of Section 23-14-18, this rule provides the standards and requirements for qualified deer hunters to participate in the Dedicated Hunter Program by obtaining a certificate of registration.
(2) The Dedicated Hunter Program is a program that provides:
(a) expanded hunting opportunities
(b) opportunities to participate in projects that are beneficial to wildlife; and
(c) education in hunter ethics and wildlife management principles.
(1) Terms used in this rule are defined in Section 23-13-2.
(2) In addition:
(a) "Dedicated Hunter Permit" means a general buck deer permit issued to a participant in the Dedicated Hunter Program, which authorizes the participant to hunt deer during the general archery, general muzzleloader and general any weapon open seasons in the hunt area specified on the permit.
(b) "Hunt area" means an area prescribed by the Wildlife Board where general archery, general muzzleloader and general any weapon deer hunting is open to permit holders for taking deer.
(c) "Participant" means a person who has remitted the appropriate fee and has been issued a Dedicated Hunter certificate of registration.
(d) "Program" means the Dedicated Hunter Program
(e) "Program harvest" means using a Dedicated Hunter permit to tag a harvested deer or failing to return a Dedicated Hunter permit with attached kill tag, while enrolled in the program.
(f) "Wildlife conservation project" means any project that provides wildlife habitat protection or enhancement, improves hunting or fishing access, or directly benefits wildlife or the Division's current needs and is pre-authorized by the Division.
(1)(a) To become a participant in the program a person must apply for, obtain, and sign a Dedicated Hunter certificate of registration. A participant is not required to have the Dedicated Hunter certificate of registration on their person while hunting.
(b) Certificates of registration are issued by the Division through a drawing as prescribed in the guidebook of the Wildlife Board for taking big game and R657-62.
(c) Certificates of registration are valid for 3 consecutive years, except as provided by R657-38-(10), beginning on the date the big game drawing results are released and ending on the last day of the general season hunt for the 3rd year of enrollment.
(d) The number of Dedicated Hunter certificates of registration is limited to 15% of the total annual general season quota for each perspective hunt area.
(i) Certificates of registration remaining unissued from the Dedicated Hunter portion of the big game drawing shall be redistributed as general single-season permits for their respective hunt areas in the general buck deer drawing.
(2) The Division may deny, suspend, or revoke a Dedicated Hunter certificate of registration for any of the following reasons:
(a) The drawing application contains false information;
(b) The person, at the time of application, or during the program enrollment, is under a judicial or administrative order suspending any wildlife hunting or fishing privilege within Utah or elsewhere;
(c) The person has violated the terms of any certificate of registration issued by the Division or an associated agreement.
(3) A person under any wildlife suspension may not apply for a certificate of registration until their suspension period has ended.
(4) A certificate of registration authorizes the participant to use a Dedicated Hunter permit to hunt deer within the area listed on the permit, during the general archery, general muzzleloader and general any legal weapon buck deer hunts according to the dates and boundaries established by the Wildlife Board. When available, the certificate of registration may also authorize hunting within the general archery extended area during the extended season dates.
(5) The participant's hunt area, issued through the drawing, shall remain the same for the duration of that program enrollment period.
(6) Participants of the program shall be subject to any changes subsequently made in this rule during the term of enrollment, unless a variance is authorized by the Division.
(1) Application to obtain a Dedicated Hunter certificate of registration is pursuant to R657-62-16
(a) Applicants must meet all age requirements and proof of hunter education and license requirements pursuant to Sections 23-19-11, 23-19-22, 23-19-24, and 23-19-26.
(i ) Any person who is 12 years of age or older may apply for a Dedicated Hunter certificate of registration.
(ii ) A person 11 years of age may apply for or obtain a Dedicated Hunter certificate of registration if that person's 12th birthday falls in the calendar year the certificate is issued. A person may not hunt big game prior to their 12th birthday.
(1) Dedicated Hunter Preference points are issued pursuant to R657-62-10.
(1) Any person who is 17 years of age or younger on July 31st of the application year shall pay the youth participant fees.
(2) Any person who is 18 years of age or older on July 31st of the application year shall pay the adult participant fees.
(3) Lifetime License holders shall pay a reduced fee as authorized by the annual fee schedule.
(4) A participant who enters the program as a Utah resident and becomes a nonresident, shall be changed to a nonresident status and may be issued a nonresident permit at no additional charge for the remainder of the three-year enrollment period.
(5) A participant who enters the program as a nonresident and becomes a Utah resident, shall be changed to a resident status and may be issued a resident permit with no reimbursement of the higher nonresident fee for the remainder of the three-year enrollment period.
(1) A refund for the Dedicated Hunter certificate of registration may not be issued, except as provided in Section 23-19-38.2 and R657-42.
(2) Any eligible refund will be issued pro rata, based on the number of years in which any portion of a hunt was participated in during the enrollment period.
(3) Drawing application fees are nonrefundable.
(1) Prior to obtaining the first Dedicated Hunter permit of the program, a participant must complete the wildlife conservation and ethics course.
(2) The wildlife conservation and ethics course is available through the Division's Internet site.
(3) The Division shall keep a record of all participants who complete the wildlife conservation and ethics course.
(1a) Except as provided in R657-38-14, each participant in the program shall provide a minimum of 32 hours of service as a volunteer on Division approved wildlife conservation projects.
(i) A participant may obtain a permit in the 1st year of the program without having provided service hours.
(ii) A participant must have completed a minimum of 16 service hours prior to receiving a Dedicated Hunter permit in the 2nd year of the program.
(iii) A participant must have completed a minimum of 16 additional service hours prior to receiving a Dedicated Hunter permit in the 3rd year of the program.
(b) If the participant fails to have the minimum of 32 hours completed at the expiration of the 3rd year, the participant will be ineligible to apply for or obtain any permits until the remaining hours have been paid for or completed.
(i) After a certificate of registration has expired, incomplete service hours may be completed through Division approved wildlife conservation projects or by payment at the hour buyout rate.
(c) Residents may not purchase more than 24 of the 32 total required service hours. Nonresidents may purchase all of the 32 total required service hours.
(d) If a participant fails to fulfill the wildlife conservation project requirements in any year of participation, the participant shall not be issued a Dedicated Hunter permit for that year.
(2) Wildlife conservation projects may be designed by the Division, or any other individual or entity, but must be pre-approved by the Division.
(a) Goods or services provided to the Division for wildlife conservation projects by a participant may be, at the discretion of the Division, substituted for service hours based upon current market values for the goods or services, and using the approved hourly service buyout rate when applying the credit.
(i) Goods or material donations that are specifically requested and accepted by the Division may be considered as service project hours.
(b) The Division shall publicize the dates, times, locations and description of approved wildlife conservation projects and activities on the Division's Internet site.
(3) Service hours must be completed within the enrollment period.
(a) Service hours exceeding the 32 hour minimum shall not be applicable beyond the enrollment period and shall not be applied to subsequent certificate of registrations.
(4) Participants are required to perform their own service hours.
(a) Service hours are not transferrable to other participants or certificates of registration.
(1) The program service hour requirements may be waived on an annual basis if;
(a) The participant provides evidence of leaving the state for a minimum period of one year during the enrollment period for religious or educational purposes.
(i) If the participant requests that the program service hour requirements be waived, and the request is granted, the participant shall not receive a Dedicated Hunter permit for the year in which the program requirements were waived
(b) The participant is a member of the United States Armed Forces or public health or public safety organization and is mobilized or deployed on order in the interest of national defense or emergency
(2) A person who is a member of the United States Armed Forces or public safety organization that is mobilized or deployed may request;
(a) That the remainder of their program enrollment period be postponed until return from their period of mobilization or deployment;
(b) That the program requirements be postponed into a subsequent year of the enrollment
(c) That the program service hour requirements be waived if the participant is prevented from completing the requirements due to the mobilization or deployment.
(A) The participant must provide evidence of the mobilization or deployment period.
(B) The Division shall determine a pro rata schedule in which the service hour requirements waived correlate with the term length of the deployment or mobilization.
(1)(a) Except as provided in section R657-38-12, a program participant may take up to 2 deer within the enrollment period and only 1 deer may be harvested in a single year.
(b) The harvest of an antlerless deer using a Dedicated Hunter permit, when permissible in the extended archery areas and seasons established in the big game guidebook, shall be considered a program harvest.
(2) Upon issue of a Dedicated Hunter permit, the participant is credited with a program harvest.
(a) 2 program harvests are allowed within the enrollment
(b) If program harvests are accrued during the 1st year and 2nd year of the enrollment, a permit shall not be issued for the 3rd year.
(c) In order to remove a program harvest credit, the participant;
(i) must not have harvested a deer with the Dedicated Hunter permit, and (ii) must return the permit and attached tag, or a qualifying affidavit for duplication as proof of non-harvest to a Division office. A handling fee may be assessed for processing an affidavit.
(1) Pursuant to Sections 23-19-24 and 23-19-26 person must have a valid Utah hunting or combination license to be issued a big game permit.
(2) The participant must have a valid Dedicated Hunter permit in possession while hunting.
(3) Upon completion of the minimum annual requirements, a Dedicated Hunter permit may be issued. The method and dates in which the Division issues and distributes Dedicated Hunter permits shall be published on the Division's website or in the guidebook of the Wildlife Board for taking big game.
(4) The Division may exclude multiple season opportunities on specific management units due to extenuating circumstances on a portion or all of a hunt area.
(5)(a) The Division may issue a duplicate Dedicated Hunter permit pursuant to Section 23-19-10.
(b) If a participant's unused Dedicated Hunter permit and tag is destroyed, lost, or stolen prior to, or during the hunting season in which the permit is valid, a participant may obtain a duplicate. A handling fee may be assessed for the duplication.
(c) A duplicate Dedicated Hunter permit shall not be issued after the closing date of the general buck deer season.
(6)(a) A participant may surrender a Dedicated Hunter permit in accordance with Rule R657-42.
(b) A participant may not surrender a Dedicated Hunter permit once the general archery deer hunt has begun, unless the Division can verify that the permit was never in the participant's possession.
(7)(a) Lifetime license holders may participate in the program.
(b) The Lifetime license holder shall apply for a certificate of registration in the same manner as all other prospective participants.
(c) Upon joining and for the duration of enrollment in the program, the lifetime license holder agrees to temporarily forego any rights to receive a lifetime license buck deer permit as provided in Section 23-19-17.5.
(c) A refund or credit is not issued for a forgone lifetime license permit.
(1)Participants may not apply for or obtain any general season buck deer permit, including general landowner buck deer permits, or respective preference points issued by the Division through the big game drawing, license agents, over-the-counter sales, or the internet during an enrollment period in the program.
(a)Any general season deer permit obtained is invalid and must be surrendered prior to the beginning date of that permit. A refund may not be issued pursuant to Section 23-19-3.
(2)(a) Participants may apply for or obtain a limited entry season buck deer permit, including CWMU, limited entry landowner, conservation, expo, and poaching rewards permits
(i) The limited entry buck deer permit may be obtained without the completion of the annual program requirements, but does not exempt the participant from fulfilling the minimum requirements of the entire enrollment.
(ii) Obtaining a limited entry buck deer permit during the enrollment shall not extend the enrollment period, but shall take the place of one of the 3 possible permit years.
(iii)Harvest with a limited entry buck deer permit shall not be counted as a program harvest.
(b) If the participant obtains a limited entry buck deer permit and has been issued a Dedicated Hunter permit, that permit or the Dedicated Hunter permit must be surrendered as permissible by R657-38-11and R657-42. A refund may not be issued pursuant to Section 23-19-38.
(i) A participant who obtains a limited entry buck deer permit may only use that permit in the prescribed area and season listed on the permit. Dedicated Hunter privileges are not transferred to that permit.
(ii) The limited entry buck deer permit may not be obtained if the Dedicated Hunter permit has been in possession of the participant during any open portion of the general buck deer season.
(3)(a) Participants may apply for or obtain antlerless deer permits as provided in Rule R657-5 and the guidebook of the Wildlife Board for taking big game.
(b) Except as provided in R657-38-10, harvest of an antlerless deer with an antlerless deer permit shall not be considered a program harvest.
(1) A participant may surrender a Dedicated Hunter certificate of registration pursuant to R657-42-4 provided the participant has not been issued 2 Dedicated Hunter permits in which hunting may have occurred.
(a) if a participant has been issued the 1st permit, the participant must have completed a minimum of 10 service hours prior to an allowable surrender.
(i) if the participant surrendering is physically unable to complete the minimum of 10 service hours due to injury or illness, the Division may authorize another person to fulfill the requirement in the participant's behalf.
(b) a participant may not surrender a certificate of registration if the participant has met the program harvest limit.
(2) The Division may not issue a refund, except as provided in Section 23-19-38 and R657-42 and R657-38-7.
(3) If a Dedicated Hunter permit has been issued in which hunting may have occurred, the participant shall not be eligible for preference points to be reinstated upon surrender of the certificate of registration.
(1) The Division may suspend a Dedicated Hunter certificate of registration pursuant to Section 23-19-9 and R657-26.
(2) A certificate of registration may also be suspended if the participant:
(a) fraudulently submits a time sheet for service hours; or
(b) fraudulently completes any of the program requirements.
(c) is under suspension of any hunting or fishing privileges in any jurisdiction during the participant's enrollment in the program.
(3) A Dedicated Hunter permit is invalid if a participant's certificate of registration is suspended.
(4) The program enrollment period shall not be extended in correlation with any suspension.
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4 Things to Know When Your Mortgage Is Rejected
NEW YORK ( TheStreet) -- Home mortgage applications were down by 6.3% last week, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association , and mortgage refinancing applications were down even further, sliding by 8%.
"Following the Federal Reserve's taper announcement, mortgage application volume dropped again last week, with rates increasing and refinance application volume falling to its lowest levels since November 2008," says Mike Frantantoni, the MBA's vice-president of research."Purchase application volume were weak too, continuing to run more than 10% below last year's pace."
It could mean a bigger window of opportunity for homebuyers or homeowners looking to refinance.
But what if you apply for a new mortgage and get denied? After all, there is no guarantee you'll get approved your first trip to the plate.
The important thing? Just keep swinging, mortgage experts say.
"Different lenders have different standards," said Ray Brousseau, executive vice president with Carrington Mortgage Services , a Santa Ana, Calif., mortgage lender. "Where one lender looks at a loan file and sees a red flag, we might see green. For this reason, it's important not to take a loan rejection personally or consider it a black mark. Just regroup and speak with a replacement lender who can get the job done."
Brousseau offers some pointers for mortgage applicants coming out of a denial:
First, you're more ready than you think. Go ahead and jump right back into the mortgage market -- you have everything you need to try again.
"When you submitted your first loan application , it took some time to pull together the necessary documents and forms," Brousseau says. "Now you have those materials in hand, and you have a current and usable appraisal that a replacement lender can consider. The result is that you may be able to breeze through the underwriting process with a second lender a lot faster and with a lot less hassle than the first."
Ask about credit. If a low credit score is an issue, ask multiple lenders if they have special programs for low credit mortgage applicants. Many lenders (Carrington is one) have such programs in place.
It might not be about you, specifically. Loan requirements have lots of moving parts and change frequently. That means you can get rejected today and accepted next week based on changing loan requirements.
"Loan requirements change all the time," Brousseau says. "This happens because investors enter and leave the mortgage marketplace on a constant basis, so there are always new programs with new guidelines to consider. The result is that a borrower who does not qualify one day may well qualify the next."

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Mrs. Malory and a Death in the Family: A Sheila Malory Mystery
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- Brief Synopsis:
- When Mrs. Sheila Malory's distant cousin dies, Sheila suspects foul play and embarks on a quest to find out the truth.
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- Sheila Malory is less than thrilled when her loathsome cousin Bernard comes to Taviscombe looking for information to complete his family tree. After all, she's got better things to do than listen to Bernard's pompous genealogical lectures and watch him berate his mousy wife. But when Bernard dies suddenly in his rented cottage, it's more than family obligation that keeps Mrs. Malory on the case. Someone wanted Bernard out of the way, and with all the dirt he was digging up on the family, the killer could be more than kin. . . and less than kind.
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Eliot Cohen argues that the battles America fought along the corridor connecting New York with Canada shaped the way the U.S. has approached warfare down through the years. Check out his editorial in today's Wall Street Journal, a sample of the arguments in his forthcoming book.
The military legacies of our conflicts with Canada
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When it comes to modernizing the nation's vast electrical grid, the discussion often centers around hardware and technology: How much can "smart meters" save us? What problems can a common communications platform prevent? How do we integrate wind and solar options?
But one of the most basic challenges has little to do with technology and a lot to do with the process used to upgrade. A case in point is Phoenix's SRP power district, which recently integrated a substation's collection of intelligent electronic devices (IEDs). Results there suggest that successful grid modernization depends in part on modernizing the processes used to identify project requirements. And, thanks to concepts promoted by the Electric Power Research Institute (EPRI) IntelliGrid program, companies like SRP are learning a new way to establish requirements by implementing a strategy developed for other industries: use cases. This new approach initially takes more time and money but in the long run may reduce costs as much as 20%.


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Getting more restrictive
Yes, economy, Environmental Protection Agency, jobs and health are all related.
The EPA was one of the best agencies we ever started. I was working for Amoco Chemicals at Joliet, Ill., on the Des Plains River at the time. We were very happy with their regulations and soon met their pollution reduction. They are getting more restrictive and sending more and more manufacturing out of our country.
Take electrical production from coal generators. In Marquette we have or could be losing 40 jobs because of the generators don't quite meet the restrictions. The sad part of this is the countries that buy these coal generators and leave all of the pollution control.
Also, our power costs will probably be increased about 10 percent. In cases like this, I would suggest we allow the operation to continue if 60 percent of the people in the affected area approve the operation.
In the coal industry alone, this would increase our jobs by thousands and tax revenue by billions. I am sure this would be true in many other situations.
Another place we're spending billions is spraying U.S.A., Canada, and the Pacific Ocean to prevent global warming thousands of years from now. This has probably helped cause the Midwest rain drought that caused the disaster last year and our varied weather pattern changes.
Let's stop global warming spraying at least until we balance our budget. The worst part of our strict regulations is countries to our south and west have little or no pollution control.
All of their pollution goes north through Alaska and east through U.S.A. and Canada. Again, this is probably causing our change in weather patterns.
We cannot do a whole lot about other countries atmospheric pollution but I would suggest at least a 10 percent tariff on all goods coming into the U.S. from any country that does not have pollution control.
Half of the money should go to Social Security fund and the other half to reduction of the national debt.
As a sideline to this issue, I would like to comment on gun control. Let's make it easy, 10 years in prison on first offense, death by firing squad for second offense and illegal to own machine guns or any rifle with over eight bullets.
All of our existing proposals are so complicated that they will cost billions to attempt to control and those that use them illegally will not turn them in.
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Best Way to End the Week
A sunset, a clambake and thou: Four Seasons' newest dining experience.
If it's Friday night, you should be feeling right, as the song (sort of) goes. If you ask us, there's no better place to watch the sun set on the work or school week than the deck of the Atlantic Bar and Grill at the Four Seasons. For the longest time, and to our infinite disappointment, that gem of a surfside dining venue was closed at night. Then a light bulb went off and the Four Seasons management decided to open it up on Friday nights for—insert drum roll here—clam bakes by the beach. Genius!
Now we can savor the sighs of the ocean waves as twinkling lights illuminate the sand dunes and island music plays in the background. The menu's not so bad, either: New England clam chowder to start; a clam bake with the requisite lobster, bivalves and all the trimmings; and dessert in a mason jar. There's only one seating a week, so reserve now for November.
On Friday nights, the Atlantic Bar and Grill, the Four Seasons' surfside restaurant, serves up three-course clambakes, island sounds and twinkling lights en plein air.
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SLR Question
Hello, I am interested in getting a digital slr camera and was wondering what advice some of y'all had that are more knowledgeable on these things. I know Daniel is the photography expert around here but i'm pretty sure there are quite a few more with slr's.
I have a pentax optio w20 that works good for fishing pics right now, but i am wanting an slr for the other half so she can take high quality pictures when we go hiking and of me fishing as well. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
Craig Lancaster
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I am actually in the process of purchasing my first DSLR right now. After much research and talking with many users, it was recommended that I start off with a Nikon D40. Not too expensive but still has lots of features for a beginner. It is 6.1 MP, but that is plenty for what I plan on doing with my photos. Ritz Camera currently has a deal on where you can buy the camera, the 18-55 mm lens, 55-200 mm lens (a $200 value), and a bag for $599. That is a pretty good deal. Since I don't take very many distance photos, I am going to go with the D40 with the 18-55mm kit lens and purchase a 50mm f1.8 fixed focal lens for portrait photos of the baby and wife.
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I guess it all depend on how much you want to spend, course there are so many models now to fit anyones price range. Then theres the Nikon vs Canon debate, but the truth is you can't go wrong with either one in the price range thats best for you. I'm a Canon man myself just because I've always shot 'em even with film (well there was that one Nikon FM - loved it) and since I already had the lenses and flashes, it was more cost effective to stay with the brand - I currently use a Canon 40D and its a great shooter though I'd rather have the full frame sensor of a 5D - I didn't pay near the price either...any of the Canon Rebel line up is a great way to break into dslr with
Something to consider too is the Pentax k10d which some selling points there is the dust seals and weather resistance...stuff you find on higher end gear, though I'm not too familier I think Olympus dslr's carry that even on thier baseline models as well - being outdoorspeople that should be something to think about when we drag thousand dollar equipment into the mountains...
Lots of good deals out there - careful of some of the internet pricing scams - if you find a camera you are intersested in check a reputable site like B&H Photo for a baseline price and go from there and a great resource for used gear is KEH out of Atlanta.. Theres a ton of good base packages and kits, aftermarket lenses,tripods,lighting and so on...careful though, if you though flyfishing was and expensive hobby - wait till the shutterbug bites!
May you find a rise in every puddle... - WATERBORN
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Thanks for all of the advice so far, it's alot to take in all at once. I want to get something that is pretty nice simply because we have ambitions of bigger projects down the road, so i don't really want to have to buy another one in the near future. I looked at the canon website a bit and learned some stuff that i think will help me out. I saw the canon xti and it seemed nice but not too expensive either. We don't intend to be taking any pictures for a photography book or anything, but we would like to have a camera that's capable of producing proffesional looking photos to the untrained eye. Thanks again for all of your help.
Craig Lancaster
A comment above gave me a thought -- would the lenses I have for my Pentax 35mm camera work on a DSLR?
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My wife and I have the Canon Rebel XTi. It works great. It is 10.1 mega pixels, shoots fast, and does everything we have needed it to do so far. The lesser priced DSLRs like the Rebels just don't have as heavy duty of body frame or bulked up shutters as the more expensive professional bodies do. In my thinking..by the time I wear the Rebel out or bust up the body, it is going to be so outdated that it won't matter.
You can't go wrong with either a Canon or Nikon. Both are great quality. I go with Canon because like Waterborn I've always shot with Canon so I had some lenses and accessories that I could still use.
The lenses that you buy are more important to the final image than the camera body is. Whichever brand you go with...get the name brand lenses.
Thanks for the advice. After looking around for awhile i'm thinking that the canon xti would be a good fit for us. We thought about getting that and one lense to start out with. I did a little reading on lenses to learn about them as well, but which one do you find yourself using the most when out in the woods for snapping pictures of far away wildlife, etc.? I don't really know which lense to get because you never know how far away your subject will be out in the wild. I guess i'm looking for a happy medium.
Craig Lancaster
i use a 12.1 megapixel sony dslr with a 100-300 and a 6.1 konica-minolta dslr with a 70/210.....i have a sony 10.2 dslr with a 100-300 also, but i carry a 35-105 for all for for use with closer stuff...i like the 70-210 for general use, but the 100-300 for bears and elk...
I started with nothing, and I have most of it left.
Hey Steve,
I think that there is a possibility that you manual pentax lenses could fit on some of thier dslr though I think most of their line has dedicated lenses, but i read on thier site
Lens Mount:
- PENTAX KAF2 bayonet stainless steel mount compatible with PENTAX KAF2, KAF AND KA mount lenses
- Power zoom function, SDM function
- K-mount lenses usable with restrictions
- S-mount lenses usable with adapter and with restrictions
- 67/645 lenses usable with adapter and with restrictions
most likely if your mount will fit, you won't have any integrated TTL functions/connection but with good ol' manual aperature settings with the lens f/stops and then make adjustments in the exposure with the digital preview, sure you can make it work - I did it with a friends Nikon D70 and some old manual nikon lenses I had - worked great, hard to beat that good glass of yeasteryear...
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Innocence Perceived investigates a culture clash that began in America in the 1950s revolving around sexual identity, media's influence on society, and a divide between traditional and progressive values. While mainstream media painted a picture of domesticated female roles and polite innocence, an alternative movement was gaining steam. Innocence Perceived peeks behind the veil of innocence perpetuated in mid-century advertising and propaganda.


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Anybody see the anti-PETA ads on Fox-News ?
No...what does it say?
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dsnito wrote:Thanks, right you are Steve... As for the animals cause I AM against the HUNTING as a HOBBY, that´s really a CRUEL thing to do with the animals, mainly those that are in extintion... The wild predators kill their preies just for SURVIVAL not for hobby but some stupid humans DO it...nothing good to the ecosystem...
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Skip to comments.Unraveling Jesus' mystery years in Egypt
Posted on 07/31/2005 5:38:30 AM PDT by NYer
|"Behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him." - MATTHEW 2:13
How much do we really know about Jesus?
Not as much as we might think, according to a new film documentary focusing on the little-known childhood of Christianity's savior.
Titled "Jesus in Egypt," the film is based on a book of the same name by author Paul Perry, widely known for his work on near-death experiences.
Like Perry's book, the film focuses on the flight of Jesus' family to Egypt from Israel after King Herod threatened to "destroy" the boy Jesus, as St. Matthew wrote in the New Testament.
The film was prepared by a team led by Perry that includes Florida archaeologist John de Bry, 61. De Bry is a veteran of many projects, including a quest for the ships of the pirate Capt. William Kidd off Madagascar in 2000.
The film, providing information little known outside Egypt, takes viewers on a long trek through the nation's ruins and dusty desert towns, looking at the predominantly Muslim country's Christian past.
It also talks about the boy Jesus toppling idols and maturing quickly into a spiritual leader as his family traveled through Egypt.
For centuries, Christians in the northeastern African nation have kept records and documents about the family's journey there, but the Bible, with the exception of a few verses, concentrates primarily on the last three years of Jesus' life.
Because of that, the majority of the world's Christians know little about Jesus in Egypt, the 54-year-old Perry said from his home in Paradise Valley, Ariz.
While Egypt is a predominantly Muslim country, it also is home to several million Coptic Christians and the group's headquarters.
Perry, for his part, says he decided to write the book after learning how vital the story of Jesus' family is to Christians living in Egypt.
He made two journeys to scores of places the family is said to have stopped in the country, according to Coptic tradition. The first journey was for the book in 2001, and the second for the documentary, which took seven weeks to film in early 2004.
Because of concern about possible Muslim threats, the Egyptian government in 2004 gave the filmmakers plenty of security, as they had for Perry during his first trip in 2001. No incidents occurred either time.
The film shows many scenes and images, all of which are based on the centuries-old oral traditions and documents gathered by the Coptic Church but not on any new archaeological or documentary evidence.
Even without new evidence, de Bry, before leaving for Cairo in June, said, "We can no longer deny that there is a certain degree of truth to the tradition of the Holy Family in Egypt, a tradition based on a collective memory of historical events. The burden of proof is not on those who believe in the tradition but those who do not."
Of his latest venture, de Bry added, ''I'm not a born-again Christian, but this experience has changed me spiritually. It's been enlightening.''
I'm glad someone out there took this project. There really isn't much outside of Egypt on the topic and it would be interesting to know more.
Very interesting. We really don't know much about our Lord's childhood.
It would be interesting for the Coptics to provide more information about their tradition.
Here's a link to an icon showing the flight into Egypt. Note that St. James the Brother of the Lord takes up the rear:
I'm sure that by the time the revisionist "History" Channel gets a hold of the story, they'll add the missing chapters of Jesus' adolescence years in present day Utah.
"... missing chapters of Jesus' adolescence years in present day Utah."
More likely Cornwall.
Good stuff there!
Isis influence has largely been purged from Christianity except in southern France.
"Isis influence has largely been purged from Christianity except in southern France."
. . . and maybe Bosnia, if you're thinking of Albigensian dualism. It was called Bogomilism in Bosnia, "the Bosnian religion".
Study into the doctrines of regeneration, salvation, and discernment between body, soul and spirit indicate that the significant aspect of Christianity is being born again, regenerated, in the spirit. Until that action by the Holy Spirit, we remain dead to God in the spirit. For this reason, the phrase, "this experience changed me spiritually" without being born again, if truthful, might mean the person's soul has been possessed by a fallen angel or that the person confuses soulish emotionalism with the spirit.
Interestingly, the author uses buzzwords also associated with those who study the occult such as 'enlightenment'.
"Interestingly, the author uses buzzwords also associated with those who study the occult such as 'enlightenment'."
In Orthodox Christianity, the newly baptized are said to be enlightened. So the concept of enlightenment is not owned by devotees of the occult.
Interesting note. I haven't studied Eastern Orthodox belief as much as simply Scripture. I don't find the word "enlightenment" or "enlightened" in Strong's Concordance, but simple searches regarding the word associated with spirit lead to New Age and numerous other belief systems outside of Christianity. I find issues such as spiritual baptism and new birth or rebirth or regeneration to be Scripturally based, but in the author's context, it appears he avoids that association in favor of an alternate religious belief.
"Interesting note. I haven't studied Eastern Orthodox belief as much as simply Scripture."
After the baptism, the newly baptized receives Holy Communion as the deacon or priest says, "The newly enlightened N. receives the Body and Blood of Christ."
Brian. The babe they called 'Brian',
He grew,... grew, grew, and grew--
Grew up to be-- grew up to be
A boy called 'Brian'--
A boy called 'Brian'.
He had arms... and legs... and hands... and feet,
This boy... whose name was 'Brian',
And he grew,... grew, grew, and grew--
Grew up to be--
Yes, he grew up to be
A teenager called 'Brian'--
A teenager called 'Brian',
And his face became spotty.
Yes, his face became spotty,
And his voice dropped down low
And things started to grow
On young Brian and show
He was certainly no--
No girl named 'Brian',
Not a girl named 'Brian'.
And he started to shave
And have one off the wrist
And want to see girls
And go out and get pissed,
A man called 'Brian'--
This man called 'Brian'--
The man they called 'Brian'--
This man called 'Brian'!
"..every man did that which was right in his own eyes". Judges 21:25
Note that the verse mentions that men were doing that which was 'right' in their own eyes. While not following the Law to the 't', still, they were probably trying to do some things in a religious/moral fashion.
That's the way so much of 'Christianity' has been: following scripture to an extent, but allowing unspiritual leaders to lead.
Is an 'enlightening' experience a conversion (born again)?
What saith the Word?
Paul was blinded and heard a voice claiming to be Jesus. That was enlightening, but not a conversion. Acts 9:1-19; 22:4-16
The Samaritans were glad and joyful when told the gospel (sounds like some sort of enlightenment), but were not born again yet. Acts 8:5-17
The vision from the Lord that Cornelius had was 'enlightening', but he wasn't born again yet. Acts 10.
The Lord was smart in not putting into the inspired word the month or day of his fleshly birth or his baptism. Regardless, people have made a commercial bonanza out of his birth. If his baptism had been recorded by date, multitudes would put off baptism until the aniversary of that day, causing busy baptistries one day out of the year.
Small wonder he didn't inspire writers to record his life while in Egypt. I'm sure he could see the commercialism that would have come to pass. Imagine: "Come to Nile to see where 5 yr old Jesus learned how to swim", "Hike the same trail 6 yr old Jesus did to go fishing". And on and on it would go.
His emphasis is the Gospel of the kingdom of God. At best, everything else is a distant second place.
Thank you very much for that edifying post. Good notes for my study and by His spiritual metabolization in my thinking processes.
"The Lord was smart in not putting into the inspired word the month or day of his fleshly birth..."
Based on the Tradition (including, of course, the Holy Scriptures), the Church has determiend that our Lord was born on December 25, A.D. 1 (Julian). You did not know this?
Are you familiar with the Holy Thorn of Glastonbury?
If not, click on http://hocna.org/defense/thorn.htm
Your welcome; freely receive, freely give!
**Based on the Tradition**
Sometimes I see that there are 'Traditionists' that gladly use science to try to prove a scriptural or 'Traditional' theology.
So, using science, I believe it has been proven that during Dec. thru mid-March the pastures in the high elevations (say, a 20 mile radius around Bethlehem) would have been dormant, even 2,000 yrs ago. Science and historical records have proven that the climate has changed very little over that span. Shepherds would no longer have been in the fields watching the flocks by night. The flocks would be in pens and fed forage, and the shepherds in their homes when the angels sang.
Note how cool it must have been in late March-early April when Peter tried to warm himself by a fire, and the cock was crowing.
I borrowed a book on this very subject years ago, but I will have to research the name.
You don't believe the Church and what she teaches? How sad. It's your funeral.
Well, someone named Graves probably knows a thing or two about funerals. :)
Your church does not believe the conversion commanded by the Lord in John 3:3-8 "..thou hearest the sound...so is EVERYONE that is born of the spirit"; Peter (you know, the man some call the first 'pope') in Acts 2:38,39; 10:44-48; and Paul's own conversion in Acts 9:17,18; 22:16. If your church believed it, they would command water and Spirit baptism (I think your church believes in repentance).
I debated others of your persuasion on this forum before. Feel free to read those 'swordfights'.
You say, "How sad. It's your funeral."
Interesting. Oh great almighty mr. Graves, how many have you judged and can confirm are in hell (or heaven)?
He was an interesting rabbi.
LOL !!! But how did you slip in from an Art Bell thread?
It was raining. It was cold
West Bethlehem was no place for a twelve year old
So he packed his bags and he headed out
To find out what the world's about
He went to France. He went to Spain
He found love. He found pain.
He found stores so he started to shop
But he had no money so he got in trouble with a cop
Kids in trouble with the cops
From Israel didn't have no home
So he cut his hair and moved to Rome
It was there he met his Irish bride
And they rented a flat on the lower east side of Rome... Italy that is
Music publishers, book binders, Bible belters, Money Changers,
Spoon Benders and lots of pretty Italian chicks.
Charley bought some popcorn
Billy bought a car
Someone almost bought the farm
But they didn't go that far
Things shut down at midnight
At least around here they do
Cause we all reside down the block
Inside at....23 Skidoo.
Wine was flowing so were beers
So Jesus found his missing years
So He went to a dance and said "This don't move me"
He hiked up his pants and he went to a movie
On his thirteenth birthday he saw "Rebel without a Cause"
He went straight on home and invented Santa Claus
Who gave him a gift and he responded in kind
He gave the gift of love and went out of his mind
You see him and the wife wasn't getting along
So he took out his guitar and he wrote a song
Called "The Dove of Love Fell Off the Perch"
But he couldn't get divorced in the Catholic Church <
P>At least not back then anyhow
Jesus was a good guy he didn't need this shit
So he took a pill with a bag of peanuts and
A Coca-Cola and he swallowed it.
He discovered the Beatles
And he recorded with the Stones
Once He even opened up a three-way package
In Southern California for old George Jones
The years went by like sweet little days
With babies crying pork chops and beaujolais
When he woke up he was seventeen
The world was angry. The world was mean.
Why the man down the street and the kid on the stoop
All agreed that life stank. All the world smelled like poop
Baby poop that is..the worst kind
So he grew his hair long and threw away his comb
And headed back to Jerusalem to find Mom, Dad and home
But when he got there the cupboard was bare
Except for an old black man with a fishing rod
He said "Whatcha gonna be when you grow up?" <
P>Jesus said "God"
Oh my God, what have I gotten myself into?
I'm a human corkscrew and all my wine is blood
They're gonna kill me Mama. They don't like me Bud. <
P>So Jesus went to Heaven and he went there awful quick
All them people killed him and he wasn't even sick
So come and gather around me my contemporary peers
And I'll tell you all the story of
Jesus...The Missing Years
"I debated others of your persuasion on this forum before."
I have found nobody of my "persuasion" in any debate with you about anything.
Did you even bother to read the short article about the Holy Thorn at the link I provided you?
Or are you a "know it all"?
You think someone can be condemned if they don't believe Jesus was born December 25th, in spite of the strong scriptural evidence that Jesus was in fact NOT born in December?
You don't seem to be making sure of the more important things. When I examine the scriptures with regard to what you are saying, I find:
"One man judges one day as above another; another man judges one day as all others; let each man be fully convinced in his own mind." Romans 13:5
"You are scrupulously observing days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that somehow I have toiled to no purpose respecting you." Galatians 4:10,11
Quite frankly, it isn't important what day Jesus was born. What is important is that he died, and rose and reigns as King.
The early Christians did not maintain December 25th as the "birthday" of Jesus. Early church fathers like Clement of Alexandria thought Jesus was born in November, other documents indicate maybe March.
December 25th was eventually chosen by the Church because that corresponded with the Roman festival of Saturnalia. It's clearly pagan in origin. As are the Christmas trees, the mistletoe, the "yule log", and other traditions associated with Christmas. They're all pagan in origin.
We should be wary about mixing light with dark, Christ with Belial. But if you insist on celebrating Christmas anyway, you have no standing to judge those who are honest about it.
Well, I can see you are full of opinions.
"Quite frankly, it isn't important what day Jesus was born"
Come back after you've dumped all your opinions and want to discuss questions intelligently.
I'm not really trying to learn from you. I was correcting you. If you are a Christian, you should be mindful of correction. You were judging someone because they don't believe Jesus was born on the 25th. This is not a worthy subject to judge someone, as there are no indications from Scripture that Christians must believe Jesus was born on the 25th or on ANY particular date.
"Titled "Jesus in Egypt," the film is based on a book of the same name by author Paul Perry, widely known for his work on near-death experiences."
Paul Perry is first going to have to explain HOW Jesus spent any YEARS Egypt.
A simple reading of Scripture says that Jesus' parents presented him to at the Temple in Jerusalem, and his
was received by a former High Priest and a Prophetess.
The High Priest pronounced a fulfill prophecy that he
would see the Messiah before he died.
First Century Judaism required, in fulfillment of Scripture, that children had to be presented at the Temple when "the days of her [Miryam's--Mary's] purification according to the Laws of Moses were accomplished." This period was 40 days. Herod died within that same 40 days. [The Scripture is Luke 2:22.}
If Jesus had not been presented that soon, his Messiahship would have been tainted by the violation of Scripture. How could the Jews or anyone else believe in a Messiah who violated his own Word--the Tenakh?
Jesus came to fulfill Scripture, not to supercede it. "Well, I want all of the Jewish children to be presented at the Tempe within 40 days except me?" I really think not.
So where did Joseph and Mary take Jesus when they were warned to flee into Egypt. Probably to Egypt for 40 days Because Herod died, and then they could return.
Then what? They turned around and went BACK to Egypt when everything was then okay, and they could stay at home because Herod had perish? Again, that doesn't make any sense.
Perry's thesis falls apart in view of Scripture.
"Perry's thesis falls apart in view of Scripture."
Has anyone bothered to do the obvious, study the patristic Tradition on the subject?
***March 25th or April 6th. If you add nine months to both of those dates, you get December 25th (Christmas) or January 6th (Epiphany). ***
There is another way of counting.
John the Baptist's father worked in the temple in the course of ABIA which occured about 12-18 Sivan, or June 13-19.
Give him time to get home and his wife conceive John, then 6 months later the Holy Spirit comes upon him. This means Mary would have conceived Jesus about Dec. 25 and his birth would have been about Sept 29.
Conception of John..23 Sivan or June 23-24.
Birth of John...7 Nisan or March 28-29.
Christ begatting... 1 Tebeth or Dec 25.
Nativity...15 Tisri or Sept 29.
All based on when John's father worked in the temple in the course of ABIA.
This has gotten a little off the thread, but maybe I caused that.
The Levite duties were divided in twenty-fourths. If they were divided evenly through twelve months (Ancient Hebrew Calendar), each term was slightly over two weeks.
My studies show that the first month (Nisan) was about the same as our April. Zacharias was appointed to 'the course of Abia', which was the eighth 'course' (1 Chron. 24:10). That would be the last half of our July (Tammuz).
Here's where the dates are harder to pinpoint. How quickly did Elizabeth conceive? I don't think the Lord would have procrastinated the opening her womb, and I doubt Zacharias would have delayed getting together with his wife after his journey home (whatever distance that was). So I'll be helpful to the 12/25 crowd and say Elizabeth conceived in late August (Ab).
Elizabeth hid herself five months. We would be at late Jan. The Angel appears to Mary 'in the sixth month'. Let's be kind once more to the 12/25ers and say that Mary conceived in the last few days of that sixth month, Feb (Shebat).
Nine months later we find ourselves at late Nov (Bul). So now we can see the real meaning of 'Thanksgiving Day'.
I helped the 12/25 folks and still came up a month short.
Personally, I think that the birth was probably earlier than that, maybe as much as a month. Who knows.
That's why I follow the Lord and his apostles lead, and emphasize the kingdom of God and being born again.
seamole, I can't speak for the shepherds in the holy land 2000 yrs ago. I was an active beef producer for over 30yrs, and therefore know a little about animal husbandry. But here's some facts about raising sheep from my sheep producer neighbor.
When all there is available is primitive shelter, shepherds are not going to allow breeding to cause winter lambing. The wet newborns can die from exposure. 40F or below is not good.
Winter lambs and their mothers (ewes) require 3 or 4 times the care of ewes alone. This causes greater stores of resourses such as hay, grain, straw, etc. (which cut into bottom line).
Early spring lambs get to start in a warmer climate, the pasture is cleaner than a cramped stall, and the grass is easier to their little mouths to chew and digest than dried forage.
So I remain skeptical about hebrew shepherds in 1 A.D. lambing in Dec or Jan. Therefore, I believe the Word, that the shepherds were in the fields (probably mid-fall) watching their flocks by night when the angels sang (WOW, just try and picture being there!).
Added thoughts are of course welcome.
What's to know?
We know from scripture that Jesus was with his family in Egypt until shortly after Herod's death, when an angel then commanded them to return to Israel. Since Herod died in 4 AD, we can assume that Jesus had not learned much of anything from anyone in Egypt in those 4 years. And since he was in fact the Lord incarnate, the idea that he would have to learn anything from anyone about spiriual matters is quite laughable. Much is made about the "missing 18 years' from 12 to 30 as well, but since Jesus was already teaching Levites and religious leaders in the temple when he was 12, this idea that he 'went to India to learn from the Hindus' or variations of that theme are equally ridiculous.
"The Tradition of the Church somewhere comes back to an arbitrary decision..."
If that's what Tradition is, I have no desire for it.
Me neither, in light of this:
Mark 7:5 The Pharisees and the scribes asked Him, "Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat their bread with impure hands?" 6 And He said to them, "Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: `THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME. 7 `BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.' 8 "Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men." 9 He was also saying to them, "You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition."
"...you hold to the tradition of men."
That is not the only place where tradition is mentioned in Holy Scripture.
Quite obviously, when I refer to the Tradition, "the tradition of men" is not the Tradition to which I refer.
Therefore, I would think you would have scoped out that I was referring to some other tradition.
That other tradition, THE Tradition, is referred to in Jude 3 and also in II Thes 2:15.
Well, I agree, not all tradition is bad. Some is quite edifying. However, the church in general, both Catholic and protestant, is filled with things that are placed on people that the Lord never mandated through scripture, for no other reason that "it's always been this way." Frankly, it has NOT always been this way . This is simply an undeniable fact.
Of course, I'll be the first to admit, I don't know everything! In fact, not much, probably.
1Co 13:12 - For now we see indistinctly, as in a mirror, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I will know fully, as I am fully known.
If you ain't born again, you ain't a Christian.
John 3:3.
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Prep football capsules
August 31, 2012
New Mexico School for Deaf 56, CCS 0
• Records: NMSD 1-0, Clovis Christian 0-1
• Difference: The Roadrunners dominated from the start, opening a 49-0 halftime lead and scoring on their first possession of the second half to end the game on the 50-point lead rule.
• Quotable: "We made a lot of mental mistakes. We've just got to keep learning and working and try to put things together next week." — CCS coach Corey Robinson.
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Terral Watson blocks Springer's Thomas Casper as Floyd quarterback W.T. Whitecotton gets off a pass Friday afternoon during the Floyd Broncos game against the Springer Red Devils in Floyd.
Floyd/Elida 28, Springer/Maxwell 20
• Records: Springer/Maxwell 0-1, Floyd/Elida 1-0
• Difference: The Broncos' Jonathan Diaz recorded a pass interception in the end zone with 1:25 left to preserve the win. Floyd/Elida opened a 20-6 halftime lead with scoring drives on its first three possessions after the Red Devils returned the opening kickoff for a score.
• Difference-makers: Wyatt Chandler ran for 185 yards and two touchdowns for the Broncos, while W.T. Whitecotton completed 7-of-11 passes for 73 yards and run for another score.
• Of note: Colby Rogers led the Floyd/Elida defense with eight trackles, while Terral Watson, Tucker Morgan and Joe Bannister were in on seven apiece.
• Quotable: "Turnovers hurt us, but the defense stepped up and displayed some mental toughness." — Broncos coach Steve Foust.
Texico 19, Dexter 0
• Records: Dexter 0-1, Texico 1-0
• Difference: Texico's defense kept the Demons off the board even though it didn't force any turnovers. Meantime, the Wolverines survived four turnovers of their own, piling up 349 yards rushing and 419 total yards.
• Difference-makers: Senior Shay Harrison scored twice for Texico, including a 56-yard run in the first quarter. He finished with 218 yards on 20 carries. Mitchell Pinnell ran for 63 yards on eight carries, while J.J. Tuls added 59 yards and a TD on nine totes.
• Quotable: "The defense played really well, but we have to get better. It's kind of comforting to play the way we did and still come out with a win. We can play better." — Wolverines coach Ryan Autrey.
Santa Rosa 47, Fort Sumner 12
• Records: Santa Rosa 1-0, Fort Sumner 0-1
• Difference: The Lions erupted for five touchdowns in the first half — four by Zeke Sena — to take control.
• Difference-makers: Sena finished with 165 yards rushing on 14 carries, while Marcus Lopez added 124 yards on 25 attempts. The Lions' defense limited the Foxes to 38 yards rushing. Fort Sumner's Garrett Hisel threw a pair of touchdown passes, including a 67-yarder to Shilo Boyle in the second quarter.
Dimmitt 25, Farwell 19
• Records: Dimmitt 1-0, Farwell 0-1
• Difference: Bobcats quarterback Ismael Ontiveros scored on a 4-yard run with 12 seconds left to break a 19-19 tie. Ontiveros went 14-of-23 through the air for 153 yards and two touchdowns, with one interception, and rushed for 69 yards on 14 attempts. For the Steers, Kolten Morris carried 13 times for 114 yards, while QB Collin Christian ran for two TDs and threw a 15-yard scoring pass to Curtis Langford.
• Differnce-makers: "It's just growing pains. We have a lot of young kids, and we're asking them to step up for us." — first-year Farwell coach Taylor Read.
Shallowater 56, Muleshoe 40
• Records: Muleshoe 0-1, Shallowater 1-0
• Difference-makers: Jarek Black rushed for 311 yards and seven touchdowns on 18 carries for the Mustangs. His scoring runs covered 21, 37, 50, 69, 3, 20 and 52 yards. For the Mules, Caleb Wood threw for 315 yards and three touchdowns and ran for a pair of scores, Junior Baca carried 21 times for 132 yards and Austin Ross caught five passes for 125 yards.
• Quotable: "We've got a lot to work on. They're an extremely good football team, and they exploited our defense tonight." — Mules coach David Wood.


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Veal Meatball and Broccoli Rabe Stoup
Recipe courtesy of Rachael Ray
- 30 Minute Meals
"Stoup" is thicker than soup and thinner than stew.
- 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 pounds broccoli rabe, 1 large bunch, trimmed and cut into large bite-sized pieces
- Salt
- Extra-virgin olive oil
- 4 cloves garlic, 1 minced, 3 chopped
- 1 carrot, peeled and chopped
- 1 medium onion, chopped
- 1 can white beans, cannellini
- Black pepper
- 1 quart chicken stock
- 2 cups beef or vegetable stock
- 1/3 pound orecchiette, little ear shaped pasta, or ditalini
- 1 pound ground veal
- 1 egg
- 1/2 cup bread crumbs, a couple of handfuls
- 1/4 cup grated Parmigiano or Romano, a generous handful, plus some to pass at table
- 2 to 3 fresh sage leaves, finely chopped
- Crusty bread, for mopping
Bring a couple of inches of water to a boil in a medium skillet. Add salt to boiling water and the broccoli rabe and cook 7 to 8 minutes. Drain rabe and reserve.
While rabe cooks, heat a medium soup pot over medium to medium high heat with 2 tablespoons extra-virgin olive oil. Add 3 cloves chopped garlic, carrots and onions. Cook 5 to 6 minutes, add white beans and heat through, a minute. Season veggies and beans with salt and pepper. Add drained rabe and the stocks and cover pot to bring to a quick boil. Add orecchiette and stir. Reduce heat and simmer soup to a low-roll, uncovered.
Mix veal with egg, remaining clove minced garlic, bread crumbs, cheese, sage and salt and pepper. Roll into 1-inch balls and drop into stoup. Cook 5 minutes. Adjust seasonings and serve stoup in shallow bowls with crusty bread.
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Topic: missing unicorn.sock
Hi all,
I'm a bit new in Rails and I'm trying to deploy a RoR application using capistrano/nginx/unicorn.
For this I dupplicated an existing configuration.
Nginx seems to work perfectly but strangly, I'm not able to start unicorn with the following command :
unicorn_rails -c config/unicorn.rb -E production -D
I get : master failed to start, check stderr log for details
And looking to the logs, it seems that unicorn.sock is missing
-> No such file or directory - "......./shared/sockets/unicorn.sock" (Errno::ENOENT)
Indeed, I can't find unicorn.sock anywhere in the server...
Do you have any clue about the issue, ar do you don't how I could track the problem ?
Thanks a lot for your help.
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by Anton Shilov
Nvidia Corp. may be preparing a massive assault on the high-end graphics cards market with its new high-end graphics processor made using thinner process technology. The offence may be accompanied by substantial price-slash, which should increase popularity of Nvidia GeForce GTX 200-series and steal market share from ATI, graphics product group of Advanced Micro Devices.
According to a picture of Nvidia G200 chip (which was published by Expreview web-site) produced using 55nm process technology (which is also known as G200b, GT200b, GT206, G200 revision B, etc), the company has been producing the chips since mid-August, 2008, for over three months now. Nevertheless, the Nvidia still has not announced the new chip formally, even though it did said at the most recent conference call with financial analysts that the new high-end chips were "ramping".
Since three months is a long time, it is highly-likely that Nvidia already has a massive number of the new graphics boards based on the 55nm G200b/GT206 chip in stock and once they hit the market, their pricing is likely to be substantially lower than that of existing GeForce GTX 200-series boards, partly because of lower manufacturing cost, partly due to high volume of the novelties.
The original GeForce GTX 260 and GTX 280 graphics adapters were released commercially approximately one and a half months after the first chips were produced at Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corp. using 65nm fabrication process.
Thinner process technologies reduce manufacturing cost, improve yields, lower power consumption or enable higher clock-speeds.
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I must admit Tranman that I like pizza from the oven better than the Primo Oval. So far that's one of few things in the last 3 years I have had my OvalXL that I prefer the oven cook. My pies still don't look that good but I am learning.
But like you, I've seen it occur in 2 days fermentations as well.
Would you mind posting the dough recipe you used to get the blisters after only two days, and the general method you used to make and manage the dough?Thanks.Peter
Peter, I use the same method and recipe as posted in my thread at: http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,10192.0.htmlAdmittedly, I believe I use a lot more yeast than most.
The first pie had a very neopolitan texture and look to it with less rise while the 2nd pie had a very NY look and texture to it. I'm planning on intentionally redoing this proofing experiment to see if I can replicate the results. Do you guys have any ideas on why this is?
Tranman, Your pie with the bubbles looks great. Looks like you really pimped your pie! The subject of pimples interests me, also. I havent been making pizza that long and have been trying to figure out what might cause the pimples. I have never gotten them at home in my oven, even if I use the same dough I used at market, but then I usually use the dough after a short warm-up. The times I can remember getting the pimples is when my dough was either cold fermenting for a long while or if my dough was frozen and then unfrozen and left for a longer period to warm-up. If I took the unfrozen dough and let it only warm-up for a short while, I never got pimples. Just last week I did get some pimples or small blisters on some unfrozen dough. This dough was left out to warm-up for three hours. I dont really have a theory about what is happening, but just keep watching.Wish someone could figure this out,Norma
Tranman,Thanks for saying the pies look good and also the pimples. You are right about me getting some pies with pimples and some with no pimples. All the pies with pimples were from the same dough, with the same cold ferment times. I used the one batch of dough which was a 15 lb. batch of dough for the pies. Same oven temperature and same time in the oven. Some had pimples and some didnt. That is why I said this still has me puzzled. I will keep watching to see what happens from week to week.Great to see your results. Your pies look great! Hope your experiments will tell what happens to make pimples.Norma


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SKANDIA, Mich. – Janis Hollowell, beloved wife of Douglas, both of Skandia, passed from this earth and entered heaven to be with her Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ on December 27, 2012.
Janis was mother to four: Lane Hollowell of Portland, OR; Lori (Scott) Gilbertson of Sault Ste. Marie, MI; Bonnie (Mark) Haglund of Ishpeming; and Regan (Peter) Olson of Des Plaines, IL. She was also a grandmother to five: Steven (Kristine) and Benjamin Kivela, Adam and Matthew Gilbertson, and Tia Haglund. Additionally, she was a devoted interim parent to foster children.
Janis grew-up in Tinley Park, IL. where her parents Leah and Fred Rossow instilled the fundamentals of being a Christian within her. She married Doug in Crete, IL. and soon after they lived briefly in Winnipeg and Dieppe Canada as well as Syracuse, NY, while Doug worked for a railroad company. They then returned to Tinley Park where they bought their first house before moving to Rochester, MI. The family settled in the Marquette area in 1976. Janis worked for years as resident manager at the Parkway Motel in Harvey and then as front desk receptionist at The Landmark Inn in Marquette. She was a member of St. Paul's Lutheran church in Green Garden for over 30 years.
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Just months after confirming negotiations with Globalfoundries, semiconductor joint-venture between Advanced Micro Devices and Advanced Technology Investment Company, chief executive officer of Nvidia said that the company had no plans to outsource part of its manufacturing to the contract maker of chips.
"Globalfoundries is an AMD fab, right? Globalfoundries is AMD's fab. Our strategy is TSMC," said Jen-Hsun Huang, chief exec of Nvidia, in an interview with Cnet News web-site.
Earlier this year Mr. Huang said that Globalfoundries was a leading silicon foundry with "advanced and outstanding process technology" and Nvidia was "seriously evaluating and discussing" the possibilities of working with them.
Globalfoundries belongs to the so-called IBM's bulk alliance and uses different process technologies that Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC). Nvidia already had negative experience with IBM's production capabilities back in 2004, when IBM could not make enough NV40 chips for the company. On the one hand, IBM's bulk fabrication processes may be somewhat problematic, but on the other hand, Globalfoundries at present has only three customers, AMD, ARM and STMicroelectronics, hence Nvidia's demands could be satisfied. Moreover, Nvidia should at least eye companies beyond TSMC as the company, for example, experiences huge issues with TSMC's 40nm process technology and its yields.
At present Nvidia manufactures 90% of its chips at Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) and 10% of products at United Microelectronics Corp. (UMC), according to Mr. Huang. Howevever, Nvidia's annual report also claims that Nvidia utilizes capacities of Chartered Semiconductor Manufacturing, Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation (SMIC) and Austria Micro Systems (AMS).
Separately, Jen-Hsun Huang again said that Nvidia had no plans to develop its own microprocessor.
"Nvidia's strategy is very, very clear. I'm very straightforward about it. Right now, more than ever, we have to focus on visual and parallel computing. Our strategy is to proliferate the GPU into all kinds of platforms for growth. GPUs in servers for parallel computing, for supercomputing – and cloud computing with our GPU is a fabulous growth opportunity – and streaming video," said Mr. Huang.


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More:U.S.-China Relations | Remarks by President Obama and Vice President Xi
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and Vice President Joseph Biden hosted a lunch in honor of Chinese Vice President Xi Jinping at the Department of State in Washington, D.C. on February 14, 2012.
Secretary Clinton said, "Today, cooperation between the United States and China is imperative to address the many vexing challenges we face, from countering proliferation, to addressing climate change, to promoting global economic security. Now, developing the habits of cooperation is not easy. We have a lot of work to do. But we are both committed to building a lasting framework of trust that will support a cooperative partnership for the next 40 years and beyond."
Vice President Xi first came to the United States over 25 years ago on an exchange program to Iowa. During his visit to the United States this week, Vice President Xi will return to Iowa, where he will reconnect with old friends. Secretary Clinton said, "That visit illustrates how important the bonds between our people are. That's why we support programs like 100,000 Strong to send more American students to study in China, and many more people-to-people exchanges."
You can read Secretary Clinton's full remarks here, and learn more about the 100,000 Strong Initiative here. You can view Vice President Biden remarks at the lunch here as well as his remarks to U.S. and China CEOs here.
While in Washington, Chinese Vice President Xi also met with Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta and those remarks can be read here.
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An unseeming relationship
The question is beginning to surface as to what would possess China or Russia or in this case both to embrace a relationship with the likes of pathetic scum like Assad and Ahmadinejad?
The evil and insanity is supernatural ...and with today's technology, in the face of Humanity unlike ever before.
With vastly differing cultures, other than that the region has strategic military value and resources neither China or Russia see eye to eye on anything. Neither have interest in the cultures and beliefs of Israel or Islam, nor humanitarian concern for what happens within their borders unless for strategic or economic gain.
Except for mutual benefit, China and Russia care even less for each other.
Baiting the hook - Perception Deception
The following may seem like over simplification by a worldview with conventional wisdom but people are coming around to realize conventional wisdom isn't working.
Either Russia or China would prefer to be left to mind their own business ...but with recent economic emergence and increasing demand for oil, plus ...a little Spiritual nudge through a couple of clowns ...China has no intention of letting anyone else interrupt progress nor (other than China) have control (should anything be up for grabs as could easily happen in the Middle East-Persian Gulf) ...including Russia.
The last place either nation wants to be is where they are ...and in bed with each other. The problem is (as they individually perceive it) the prize in front of them is too great for either to lose. Therefore like a cheap movie plot of Satanic proportion, keeping one eye on each other and the other on the prize of spoils and control ...killing together until time to kill each other.
Some of the article below may be old news to strategic Middle East and geo-political buffs, but given recent events in Syria and Iran, reading back through information in context with relevant current events is critical.
David H. in Maryland writes:
I am very proud of being a citizen and very pround of talking about human rights of U.S. to friends of other contries. And always have debates with some people who are doubt of human rights of U.S.
But recently I've been feeling very embarrassed when I think about how good of the human rights in U.S.
My father ( also a citizen) got a stroke and has been very sick, whole left body is paralyzed. Couple of times, he is on the edge of leaving the world. My older sister tried couple of times to apply visa from U.S. embassy branch office in China, but being rejected. Even she came states about 2005. The reason from those officers in Visa office is "you should immigrate to U.S. Because you have lots of relatives are U.S. citizen. For this reason, you are not qualified to get a visa".
We are afraid that my sister could not visit my very illed father. She could not come here even one day he leaves the world.
How sad I am! U.S.
Bob in the U.S.A. writes:
A few Americans - the ones in Washington, DC - have absolutely no idea what is going on in America, and when they find out the truth it can come as quite a shock to learn what "cooperation with China" has accomplished.
Many of you will not believe some of the things Americans are doing just to survive.
Some families are living in sewers and drain tunnels, some families are living in tents, some families are living in their cars, some families will make ketchup soup for dinner tonight and some families are even eating rats.
Some homeless shelters in America are so overloaded that they are actually sending people out to live in the woods.
As you read this, there are close to 50 million Americans that are living below the poverty line, and that number rises a little bit more every single day.
America was once known as the greatest nation on earth, but now there is decay and economic despair almost everywhere you look. Yes, money certainly cannot buy happiness, but the lack of it sure can bring a lot of pain. As the economy continues to decline, the suffering that we see all around us is going to get a lot worse, and that is a very frightening thing to think about.
There are hundreds of communities all over the country where third world conditions are setting in. For example, the following is how one blogger describes what life is like in a decaying suburb of Phoenix called Maryville….
"Crime and gangs are widespread. Most houses have either fallen into disrepair, or been remade with outside walls sporting spikes and ironwork. Many of the front lawns are now just dirt (or worse, gravel), the pools green and lethal."
Well, when you are making 8 bucks an hour it can be incredibly tough to make it from month to month.
Just look at how much it costs to buy the basic things that we need.
Without gasoline, most of us would not even be able to get to our jobs. The price of gasoline has increased 83 percent since Barack Obama first took office, and it is poised to soar even higher. Right now, the average price of a gallon of gasoline in the United States is $3.51. Never before has the average price of gas gone above $3.50 so early in the year. Many believe that we could set a new all-time record this summer.
But last year was bad enough. In 2011, the average American family spent over $4,000 on gasoline.
So when you are making just a few hundred dollars per week, it can be a massive struggle just to put gas in your car and food on the table.
If you want an idea of what is coming, just look at what is happening in Greece. 25 percent of the businesses have shut down, one-third of all money has been pulled out of Greek bank accounts and unemployment and poverty are absolutely rampant.
For years, a lot of prominent voices out there were screaming and yelling about the dangers posed by our loss of factories, our soaring taxes, massive trade deficits and our soaring budget deficits.
But American leaders did not listen. They just kept telling the same lies in Washington D.C. over and over, only to get a broken economy and impoverished nation.
As a result, soon millions of Americans will find themselves doing things that they never dreamed that they would do just to survive.
Ashim C. in India writes:
When VP Biden mentioned value of Chinese currency, IPR related issues and Secretary Clinton mentioned difficulties in developing habits of cooperation, and VP Jinping mentioned "strategic trust" twice in his speech, the massage that came across was there were many thorny issues between the two countries. But they are so intimately entangled with each other economically as two largest economies of world and given the instability and omnipresent signs of fragility in recovery in USA, which Bob has touched upon in his comments, and continued very substantial export dependence of China, it is not difficult to imagine that US and China has no choice but cooperate as they compete as they set their houses in order.
Consolidating recovery necessarily implies for USA substituting imports by manufacturing at home and for China it means extending it's markets in Asia and Africa to compensate for loss of exports to USA and Europe till finally it is able to orient it's economic activities for domestic consumption.
In this situation it is important to note that the real issues on table between the two are a schedule or a time frame and method they have to adopt to change without disruption and dislocation.
But then politics is a game of impossible possibilities and international relations is no different. Imagine USA and Europe takes a political decision to source it's Chinese imports from other developing countries, which are technologically more or less at level with China, it will have grave implication for China. It's growth will slow down which in turn will affect the ability of Communist Party to legitimise it's authoritarianism with it's many ugly manifestations, which US is seen to be compromising by international community. China can retort by stopping imports from developing countries at the worst and by not deciding to helping US with it's debt crisis every now and then. But then there are financial ways of dealing with such problems. Who knows even the structure of authoritarianism may crumble like Soviet Russia crumbled under its own weight.
But the positives of the political decision would be that there will be probably unprecedented growth in a large number of developing countries in Asia Africa and Latin America. There will be surge in their buying capacity and developed economies would be able to trade back their technologies and goods with many benign effects on US economy. In this if US Corporation decide not to overly value their technology and technology driven goods and make the price widely acceptable to take advantage of economies of scale as much as possible.
What China does to international trade by undervaluing it's currency to other developing countries, developing countries do by over valuing their new technology.
A few special mention related to energy security through spread of renewable energy technologies like solar energy. But here also one hears that US has the technology but China sells solar panels to even USA. Instead USA should be selling alternate renewable energy technologies everywhere in the world to enable world economy to shift away from fossil fuel, reduce oil bills and create favourable balance of trade in large number of developing countries and that saving can again be used for imports from developed countries. China will stand to benefit from this too.
US leadership must realise that persuasion is not always the best and most effective way of bargaining in economic matters. Their choice is to take short term hits for gains in midterm and realisation of a stable world economic order in which many aberrations have been created by China.
China too has it's options. It can give up it's funny territorial claims in countries in it's neighbourhood normalise it's relations and go on a path of cooperation and collaboration. Technological needs of third world countries are similar and are either available or can be developed by a large number of third world countries by their own intellectual and material resources. Third world countries are demographically better positioned to shape their destiny too. They don't exist to create demands for over production in their systems and other shall one say comfort and esteem needs of their people.


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