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Posted on 04/24/2002 6:30:34 PM PDT by longshadow
By Paul Recer
AP Science Writer
Wednesday, April 24, 2002; 4:21 PM
WASHINGTON The universe is about 13 billion years old, slightly younger than previously believed, according to a study that measured the cooling of the embers in ancient dying stars.
Experts said the finding gives "very comparable results" to an earlier study that used a different method to conclude that the universe burst into existence with the theoretical "Big Bang" between 13 and 14 billion years ago.
Harvey B. Richer, an astronomer at the University of British Columbia, said the Hubble Space Telescope gathered images of the faintest dying stars it could find in M4, a star cluster some 7,000 light years away.
Richer said the fading stars, called white dwarfs, are actually burnt out coals of stars that were once up to eight times the size of the sun. After they exhausted their fuel, the stars collapsed into Earth-sized spheres of cooling embers that eventually will turn cold and wink out of sight.
Earlier studies had established the rate of cooling for these stars, said Richer. By looking at the very faintest and oldest white dwarfs possible, astronomers can use this cooling rate to estimate the age of the universe.
Speaking at a news conference Wednesday, Richer said the dimmest of the white dwarfs are about 12.7 billion years old, plus or minus about half a billion years.
Richer said it is estimated that star formation did not begin until about a billion years after the Big Bang. He said this means his best estimate for age of the universe is "about 13 billion years."
Three years ago, astronomers using another method estimated the age at 13 to 14 billion years. That was based on precise measurements of the rate at which galaxies are moving apart, an expansion that started with the Big Bang. They then back-calculated like running a movie backward to arrive at the age estimate.
"Our results are in very good agreement" with Richer's estimate, said Wendy L. Freedman, an astronomer at the Carnegie Observatories in Pasadena, Calif., and a leader of the group performing the universe age calculations three years ago.
Bruce Margon, an astronomer at the Space Telescope Science Institute, said both conclusions are based on "a lot of assumptions" but the fact that two independent methods arrived within 10 percent of the same answer is important.
"To find an independent way to measure the age and then get essentially the same answer is a fantastic advance," said Margon. It may not be the final answer for the universe's age, he said, but is "very, very, very close."
To get the new age estimate, the Hubble Space Telescope collected light from M4 for eight days over a 67-day period. Only then did the very faintest of the white dwarfs become visible.
"These are the coolest white dwarf stars that we know about in the universe," said Richer. "These stars get cooler and cooler and less luminous as they age."
He added: "We think we have seen the faintest ones. If we haven't, then we'll have to rethink" the conclusions.
The faintest of the white dwarfs are less than one-billionth the apparent brightness of the dimmest stars visible to the naked eye.
M4 is a globular cluster, thought to be the first group of stars that formed in the Milky Way galaxy, the home galaxy for the sun, early in the history of the universe. There are about 150 globular clusters in the Milky Way; M4 was selected because it is closest to Earth.
The new age estimate for the universe is the latest in a long series of attempts to measure the passage of time since the Big Bang. Edwin Hubble, the famed astronomer who first proved that the universe is uniformly expanding, estimated in 1928 that the universe was two billion years old.
Later studies, using the very expansion that Hubble discovered, arrived at an estimate of about nine billion years for the universe age. This created a paradox for astronomers because some stars were known to be more ancient and it is impossible for stellar bodies to be older than the universe where they formed.
Freedman and others then determined, using proven values for the brightness and distance of certain stars, that the universe throughout its history has not expanded at a constant rate. Instead, the separation of galaxies is actually accelerating, pushed by a poorly understood force known as "dark energy." By adding in calculations for this mysterious force, the Freedman group arrived at the estimate of 13 to 14 billion years.
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NASA: http://www.nasa.gov
The independence lies in the methodology used to obtain and analyze the data; they are based on completely different physical processes. If they were "cheating the data" their peers would point it out, and wouldn't be able to duplicate their results.
Because they stand on the shoulders of giants.
What makes you think that? The topic of the post is the conclusions the scientists are drawing with regards to the age of the universe. I certainly hope if taxpayer money is being used to fund these projects they're spending the bulk of their time on events closer to home, like our solar system. We need to be awake to whatever dangers are out there. And exploring Mars for possible colonization in the future should be high on the priority list as well.
Why does it exist?
Inflation allows for recession speeds greater than lightspeed.
You: Inflation allows for recession speeds greater than lightspeed.
Yes, but the inflationary period ended early, before the formation of galaxies began. I was asked if we could see a galaxy 100 billion light years away from us. It's light wouldn't have had time to get here.
This from the same group of minds which cannot predict a major earthquake 5 minutes before it happens, even though most animals can.
I recall that post, but I don't know ... it needs some clarification. I've read that the most distant objects are receding from us at about 70% of lightspeed, judging by their redshifts. (Perhaps those estimates are higher now, it's been a while since I read that.) But let's go with 70%, which means that if you look in the opposite direction and see another such object, those two objects are separating from one another at 140% of lightspeed. So the universe is expanding faster than c, but nothing seems to be receding from us at that speed. At least that's my understanding. I'm sure that if I've got it wrong -- as I often do -- a tactful correction will appear in due course.
Is this the Clinton or Bush recession...;-) Sorry, as an economist/financial analyst, this is the only way I can contribute to this discussion...
Let's hope not...As the economist joke (applied to this situation) goes, "Assume a ball of matter with infinite mass...."
Also, the current recession was caused by deflation, not inflation. If that applies to the universe, I guess we're screwed...
Actually they are both. But my point was that a scientist of old (Pascal) trembled before the God who made the "infinite spaces" and found them terrible apart from God. For Pascal there was no contemplation of the creation apart from contemplation of the One who created.
THIS is what seems missing from so much science today: not an "it", but a "He".
Ah; so THAT'S what that smell is that permeates everything!
The Creator isn't a scientific topic, strictly speaking, as He can't be observed or tested. Pascal would have been combining science and theology, which is okay at a personal level, but it's not the way science is done.
Last time I checked, Astrophysicists and Cosmologists weren't in the business of studying earthquakes, let alone predicting them.
I could just as well ask you how many animals are able to build telescopes, rockets, and satellites.
Lastly, no one can accurately predict the weather more than a week in advance. Does that imply that scientists CAN'T measure the age of the Universe? Not for a minute. It merely is a reflection of the reality that some phenomona are dynamical and inherently sensitive to initial conditions; hence they are unpredictable beyond the short term, which has nothing to do with the article posted here.
Hmmmm...then why is it that, every so often (yearly or more, it seems), the processes yielding "similar results" change by a few billion years?
In my under 40 lifetime, the state-of-the-art guesses of the universe's age have varied by several fold.
As it is to be expected. The distance at which the recessional velocity (caused by the expansion of space-time) is equal to "c" defines the boundary of an imaginary sphere around the point of observation, within which it is possible to observe objects. Objects beyond the boundary (if they exist?) would not be observeable to someone at the center of the sphere defined above, though they would still be part of the Universe, and would be observable from points located less than the previously defined boundary distance away from such objects.
I think "Physicist" referred to this distance as the "light horizon." It defines in a very practical way the limits of the observeable Universe, from a particular point of observation.
That was probably as clear as mud....
Because the lay journalists don't bother to explain the error associated with the estimates of the age of the Universe, and because our ability to makes such measurements gets better with time.
20 years ago, the best estimate of the age of the Universe was about 10-20 billion years, or 15 +/- 5 billion. They weren't able to be more precise than that.
Today, we have a result that pegs the minimum age of the Universe at 13.7 +/- 0.5 billion years. Not only is it much more precise, it lies entirely within the range estimated 20 years ago.
In other words, the current age estimate is entirely consistent with that from 20 years ago.
I'm not getting that at all. The age of the universe is greater than the age of the luminous objects within it. So the oldest and most distant of luminous objects have had, as it were, all the time in the world to send their light to us. (The only exception I can think of would be a recently formed objects at a great distance.)
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The time available for the photons to get here can't exceed the age of the Universe, so if an object is Age of the Universe + 10 lightyears away, assuming we have a big enough telescope, we wouldn't even be able to detect it for another ten years.
But if the distance is so far away that the recessional velocity due to the expansion of space is greater than "c", we can't see it at all. It is outside our "light horizon" or observeable Universe. And it can't see us, for exactly the same reason.
Your argument hurts your case. With weather forecasts, we can evaluate predictions against actual results, and thus gain an understanding of the limitations of meteorological sciences. The ability to observe the actual establishes the limitations of predictive technology, thus giving an objective measure of reliability.
If a particular scientific endeavor lacks predictive reliability, then it would seem an inefficient allocation of scarce educational resources and a waste of brain power. We should defund such pursuits at universities and send the $ to economically productive areas such as mechanical or electrical engineering. In fact, I'd just as soon fund wymyn's studies as quantum physics.
Because they are neither infinite nor "silent".
A better analogy is that no one can accurately measure what the weather was a week ago, or tell when the last hailstorm was, solely by looking at today's weather. Sure there are indicators which give a pretty good idea, but not to the accuracy claimed about the age & origin of the universe.
And yes I know that cosmologists don't really study earthquakes - but they DO use practically the same scientific methods and few ounces of grey matter.
Then I'd say that the anti-intellectual left has achieved its purpose.
Which is exactly what the Astronomers have done here:
First, several groups of astronomers developed methodologies based on the Hubble expansion to estimate the age of the Universe. There value was about 14 billion years, plus or minus a billion or so.
This is then used as the basis of a prediction: the prediction is that a completely different methodology (one that does NOT rely on measuring the expansion of the Universe, or things related thereto) for measuring the age of the Universe should give the same result.
The experiment conducted by the Canadian scientists (when they weren't busy at "curling practice" at the local ice arena) was to see if this prediction is correct.
The result: it IS correct!
[snip] In fact, I'd just as soon fund wymyn's studies as quantum physics.
Who's stopping you?
If you have a beef with the claimed accuracy of the measurements regarding the age of the Universe, by all means post the evidence. This thread is over 150 post long, and not a single naysayer has provided a scintilla of evidence that the methods used by the scientists were defective.
The skepticism would be much more useful if the skeptics could specify which of the observations of astronomy and cosmology they dispute, and state the specific reasons for the dispute. If you accept the observed data but doubt the conclusions, it would be very interesting if you would provide us with an alternative model which better accommodates the data. That's how the game is played.
First of all, weather prediction, cancer, AIDS and the common cold are all very hard problems compared to measuring the age of the universe. The latter is simply a matter of undergraduate math and a sufficiently powerful telescope. Second of all, the scientists who work on one problem are not the same people who work on any other. What you've said is rather like upbraiding a dentist for the slow pace of research into treating pancreatic cancer.
I certainly hope they are willing to accept skepticism of their claims.
Certainly, as long as it's backed by substantive thought.
Forsooth, the Church forbade them from thinking otherwise.
As a practical matter, there really weren't any scientists around before Copernicus. Stargazers, yes; mathematicians, yes; but not scientists -- as we use the term. Not too many were around after Galileo either, certainly not in the lands ruled by the Inquisition, as they all fled to the north. Science is a relatively new human endevour.
[to which you replied] Who's stopping you?
Actually, I already pay for both. So do you, if you're a taxpayer.
Through coercive taxation and overflowing government grants, I am forced to fund both wymyn's studies and quantum physics. All education should be privatized.
In my view, both departments--wymyn's studies and quantum physics--produce drivel of similar uselessness. Both contribute equally (i.e., nil) to the betterment of man.
[to which you replied] Then I'd say that the anti-intellectual left has achieved its purpose.
Hmmm...I must disagree. Is it not well established that most major universities are replete with leftist professors?
Further, wasn't one of physics' icons, the late Carl Sagan (currently a resident of Hades, in my estimation), an avowed anti-Reagan leftist?
Isn't Steven Hawking a bit of a Clintonista?
Sorry, no one of that name is or was an icon of physics.
I doubt we will ever find out.......
That's probably because they aren't. I personally don't doubt the intelligence of these people and what they're doing. My only argument that hasn't been refuted either is that they're only measuring what they can see. If there are galaxies or other objects in space farther out than what we can now detect, objects whose light is too faint, or hasn't reached us yet, that would throw their whole discoveries out of whack, because that would mean the universe is older than what they're saying. That's why I'm skeptical of stories like this.
I say wait 20 or 30 more years when technology advances with even better telescopes. You'll be hearing the universe is at least a 100 billion years older or more.
On this, I am in full agreement with you.
In my view, both departments--wymyn's studies and quantum physics--produce drivel of similar uselessness. Both contribute equally (i.e., nil) to the betterment of man.
Well, one out of two isn't bad. I agree that "wymyn's studies" and other PC claptrap is essentially useless garbage.
But QM on the other hand is extremely useful. Do you think we would have personal computers, the internet, and a myriad of other electronic devices and technologies if we did NOT study and understand QM?
How so? IF there were objects further away that we can't see, how does that make the Universe older that what has been measured?
I say wait 20 or 30 more years when technology advances with even better telescopes. You'll be hearing the universe is at least a 100 billion years older or more.
I dare say that would be extraordinarily unlikely, as I'm quite sure there are observational data that place an UPPER bound on the possible age of the Universe, and that bound is much lower than 100 billion years. I wish I could remember the exact observational data that tell us this, but at the moment I can't recall what it is. Perhaps "Physicist" knows.....
Yeah and when he made his discovery they all probably thought he was a nut case who should be committed to a mental hospital.
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You've heard the headlines about Cutler and the new (their should be an emphasis on NEW because the kid is only 32 years old) Bronco head coach Josh McDaniels but here are the condensed cliff notes.
When Shanny was fired, Jay was shocked and dismayed and wasn't answering his phone after numerous attempts were made by McDaniels and Bronco Owner Pat Bowlen tried his cell phone.
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QB is unsure he'll attend workouts Monday after a call team officials contend was positive.
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...Cutler said the meeting didn't go as hoped..
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It seems Bronco nation is unraveling and has turned on Cutler. Browns fans and journalists have turned on Cleveland players but I've never seen a local reporter referring to a Brown's player as an "arrogant little punk" and a "little bitch".
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Denver TV analyst Scott Hastings joined Dan to discuss the Nuggets playoff run, the Broncos and other Denver news.
-Jay Cutler lost Hastings' respect when he claimed his arm is stronger than John Elway's. This was just a stupid thing to say because Elway is a legend in Denver so saying something like that just angers the fanbase. He calls Cutler an "arrogant little punk" and should wake up to the reality that he's the QB of an NFL football team and should act like a leader. He also referred to Cutler as a "little bitch."
-When Josh McDaniel was introduced as head coach, Cutler didn't even appear at the press conference. Hastings thinks that as the team leader, Cutler should've done everything in his power to appear there to support the new coach. He is, after all, the team leader.
-Dan asks Hastings if he'd rather have Brandon Marshall or Cutler. Hastings says he'd rather have Marshall, calling him a great guy.
So you got a taste of how nasty it has gotten here so their is an opportunity to get Cutler.
I won't go into his stats because he was a rookie and had a diabetic condition that went untreated for his first year as a starter where he lost 35lbs over the course of the season and that effected his by-line but last year he tore it up after he got full treatment and held up all season. I've seen more of this kid than I could possibly want to and their isn't any question in my mind that he is a true friggen' stud and his best days are ahead of him. But some goober who hasn't seen nearly as much of him will say isn't that good according to his W/L record and then they will dig up the point that in 37 starts Jay has a below .500 winning percentage of 17-20 so lets just clear that out of the way.
Here is how many points the Denver defense gave up with the W/L record to show the culprit of those losses, hint it wasn't a lack of offense:
Pts ------ Record
0-22 ---- 12-1
23-29 --- 2-6
30-34 --- 2-6
35-39 --- 1-2
40+ ----- 0-5
Total --- 17-20
Of the 37 starts, the Bronco defense allowed 30 points or more in 16 games. The record of the team when giving up 30 or more points? 3-13.
McDaniels has been getting offers up the yang for Cutler but he can't trade him without a replacement and the only team in the league with two young QBs who already have starts under their belt is Cleveland and Josh knows that Quinn knows the Wies/Patriot offense since BQ ran that offense under Wies very effectively. Cutler isn't a good fit for that offense but BQ is taylor made for it and he already knows the system and he would be a perfect replacement if the Cutler situation heads further south.
The Broncos willing to exchange Cutler for Cassell so a BQ for Cutler deal is in the realm of possibilities and if you think that this is idiocy then check out what our new HC and GM said a few weeks back when commenting on our QB situation.
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Skip to comments.Syria crisis: Russia and China step up warning over strike
Posted on 08/27/2013 4:57:26 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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The fact is that the executive branch is weak.....but insistent on backing the worst party in any option......
But the media worshipers NEVER point this out.
I remember the media and Nancy Pelosi DAILY attacking George W Bush for foreign and domestic problems.....
Today, the GOP is silent..........and of course so is the press.
Without foreign news sources, we would have no idea what is going on. Probably like the USSR in the 50's.
al Qaeda murdered 3000 Americans per hour on 911,
and has continued to murder Americans.
So why is the undocumented Tyrant and the US Congress
expanding their support of al Qaeda???
(as if MANPADS, SAMS, and open borders for al Qaeda
were not enough)
And what will Zero do if US ships are targeted and we start losing American lives?
As soon as obama enters syria the chicoms will attack Taiwan or start something with Japan... I can just feel it.
Surrender like rats always have done.
David Cameron
David Cameron: Speaker agrees request to recall Parliament on Thursday. There will be a clear Government motion and vote on response to chemical weapons attacks. #Syria
I think we all know where this is heading..........
Praying Vladimir Putin gets it through zer0's nappy-headed skull how the consequences will be too great for America to endure should it attack Syria and to stand down.
Syrian Sunni Rebels used the Chemical Weapons (not Assad)
Because CONgress, Bathhouse Barry, and Al-CIA-duh all work for the same bosses - the Globalist Banksters. In Syria they are implementing the "Arc of Crisis" policy masterminded by Zbigniew Brzezinski. He was the one that created Al-CIA-duh.
As for 9/11, well, Uncle Scam now openly arms and finances Al-CIA-duh to slaughter Christians and the American people got suckered into fighting more Globalist wars and begging for the DHS/TSA/Patriot Act/NDAA boot on our neck. You put two and two together.
Any lives lost? Obama will be blame: Bush, Republicans, the Tea Party, ATMs, sequestration, and racism.
The GOP (with rare exception) are cowardly eunuchs.
We are going to be attacking the last refuge of Chrisitans in the Middle East.
I think we all know where this is heading..........
The stronger Putin's message to 'leave well enough alone', the more the petulant boy-king will push an attack. Typical narcissism from the WH under the boy-king.
As I just said on another thread, we do NOT need Peter King, John McQueeg, Bill Kristol, etc, etc., constantly needling zero with "Hey, what about that red line??? Huh??? Huh?? What about it???"
This is a rare case in which the country would be better served if we let zero save face and back away from his ill-advised comment.
So I would ask that the GOP stay silent, unless to insist upon a declaration of war by Congress before a single launch button is pushed.
Britain recalls Parliament to discuss Syria
More likely, this is all about O's muslim background and the Petrodollar issue.
Saudi money goes a long way.
Forward to WWIII.
Zero lost face when Putin decided to shelter Snowden.
Zero is such a child that we may go to WW3 because he can't stand to be denied.
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Isn't that the objective?
I don't like being the world's Bad Guys. I haven't liked it since Bosnia.
This is what he wants. He'll use nukes and hope there's something left for him to rule.
The white hut won't have a defense against Putin's missiles because liberals don't want a missile defense. There's always a silver lining.
91% of the American people oppose action in Syria. But I'd bet at least half of those still love Obama.
It's sickening. So put me in the Rootin' Putin group.
Remember this. Obama can't do a damned thing without the entire military command and congress being with him.
"As for 9/11, well, Uncle Scam now openly arms and finances Al-CIA-duh to slaughter Christians and the American people got suckered into fighting more Globalist wars and begging for the DHS/TSA/Patriot Act/NDAA boot on our neck. You put two and two together."
Why are Christians the only ethnic religious group that the globalist elites and their media love to trash? It is accepted bigotry.
Looks like he's got us in a pickle now.
"Remember this. Obama cant do a damned thing without the entire military command and congress being with him. "
I don't hear any Republican saying fix the USA and no more wars for our non-interests! They are hedging because they are puppets too, just as they are puppets to amnesty for illegals. They are establishment. The establishment wants war and amnesty and next they want to disarm Americans.
Very concerned about this. One, because I know the community agitator is in charge, and two.........well, the community agitator is in charge.
I believe they want to disarm....out town just notified us that they can't process permits anymore because they don't have the administration resources to do it.
I say we should stablished a deterrence against the use of gas warfare.....no deterrence means encouragement of terrorist gas attacks here and elsewhere......if some bombs happen to fall on Russian and Chinese embassy......send our deepest condolences
Not a "proxy " war against Russia this time. This is lose los and damned stupid, re: evil
However, the winds are turning in a direction not favoring the muslims.....
If Syria's modern anti-ship weapons are operational then we are going to lose a warship or two. If they are not operational then expect Russian force to hit anti-Assad forces in retaliation for our strike(s).
(Of course ground to air just might take out our missiles in which case the administration is just embarrassed and not much more happens)
Next step would be for Iran and Syria to launch an attack on Israel. Both claim they intend to do exactly that so maybe they will. What then? Will Israel simply "take it" or will Israel respond? Should Israel respond then Russian will be forced to respond to that and us to defend Israel and there you have it folks WW3 is on once Russia hits US forces in the med or Turkey.
So the questions are, can Syria hit our ships? Can Iran hit Israel? What assets does Russia have in the region? Does Russia think Obama will back down if he is starring nuclear war in the face? China may want in on the action too, but I think it more likely they will play it smart and sit this one out.
China, for one, is interested in Asia and in Africa. Is trhe US a paper tiger? Does the US panic when a single ship is sunk? The Chinese will definitely take note of how we behave. And the Iranian nuclear program, and North Korea, and others.
Global Power is in flux. The WWI analogy has been done to death, but there is good reason to think that great nations will make some bad choices and then it will all go smash.
True but that does not make it wrong. Russia has been looking for an opportunity to embarrass/bloody the USA. Seems Syria is that opportunity. We have no business in Syria and it is insane to get involved as allies of the Christian killing Al Quada. I think everyone in DC has lost their minds.
Concur. Putin sees this as a opportunity and he is not wrong. And I can see a lot of countries coming into the play as this unravels. I think the WWI analogy is quite apt, but I think some folks dismiss it as an empty cliche. For me, it is not empty.
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Youtube with Biden warning GW not to start military action against Iran without approval from Congress. If GW did, Biden promised to start impeachment proceedings.
One might ask Joe, Why not now Joe if your Obozoliar bombs Syria?
Biden's "warning" was all about politics and hot air - Democrats looking down on Republicans.
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The Digital Skeptic: Annual Reports Show Year to Forget for Info-Age Giants
American equities are wondering in an unfamiliar hill. A real -- if slight -- rally is afoot, based as much as anything on optimistic annual sales and earnings from the three companies, each of which posted double-digit revenue growth for the full year. Shell-shocked investors then poked their noses out of their Groundhog Day holes and realized the Dow might actually be comfortable with 14,000.
I was stunned.
You should know, 10-K annual report data is what us investor geezers live for. Aside from full-year performance being what matters, there's none of the 10-Q quarterly earnings bogosity. Instead, the 519-year-old financial liturgy of presenting results in comparable tabular form is continued so, as Father Luca Pacioli first did in 1494, investors can soberly compare the balance sheets -- the income statements; statements of cash flow came much later -- for any company.
That gives a sense if those numbers match the larger story the company is trying to tell.
So huddle up and let's take a throwback walking tour of the annual income statements for our "Big Information Three."
Google gone wild
It's Google's economy right? So let's start with this Mountain View, Calif., Web services giant. The company was not shy in bragging about revenues gone wild for a stunning 36% increase in sales -- to a world-beating $50.1 billion .
"Not a bad achievement in just a decade and a half," was CEO's Larry Page's scrubbed, investor relations-ready line.
Even more remarkable for an information age company, there was more real earnings, rather than less, in 2012. Bottom-line net income rose a healthy 10.3%, to $10.7 billion for the 2012 period. Investors ignored the 43% increase in total costs and expenses for the year and off the stock went for say an 8 percentish bull ride.
Digital-age mission accomplished, right?
Well, except when you compare that with the annual income statement story told by the other members of our information-age trio.
Facebook books a four-bagger of expenses
Young Mr. Mark Zuckerberg, during the same 2012 period, saw his company grow revenues by a Google-esque roughly 37.1%, to $5.1 billion . But net income -- you know, the money left after you're done spending what's needed to make that net income -- could not keep up the information age party. It collapsed from an even $1 billion in 2011 to just $53 million. That's something like 94% drop. The culprit? Operating expenses that exploded by 132% for the year.
Investors -- at least for awhile; one never knows with this stock -- again overlooked these issues, mostly due to improved subscriber numbers and better-than-expected mobile ad rates. And Facebook stock saw fresh life.


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Maybe Drew Pomeranz and Alex White are different. Perhaps the velocity Pomeranz lost late last year as a junior at Ole Miss was an aberration and he'll throw 10 healthy seasons. It's possible the middle-finger injury that has kept White on the disabled list since May is nothing more than a fluke at which he'll laugh when the Rockies are celebrating another World Series that came from the Jimenez trade. Luck could well be on their side.
As Indians fans we're worried Colorado is passing off damaged goods. We never think that perhaps the Indians are selling on two guys that send up red flags physically,though. If you're the Rockies, you're just praying White's finger is okay and Pomeranz doesn't need TJ next year.
You can't live in fear of pitchers getting injured, because most of the time it's going to happen no matter how diligent a physical you give. Pitchers get hurt. That's what they do. You're just trying to ride them long enough to get to wherever you're going and then find some more. You don't build your team around the longevity of guys hurling a ball 95 mph unnaturally 30 times a year.
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furls wrote:Gotta say that the Bengals got a steal with Fragel in the 7th round. Kid is just figuring out how to play tackle. My guess is that he is a solid pro for about a decade at RT. The rest of OSU's class in this year's draft is really weak.
Hankins could be good, but could be a bust.
Simon cannot be an NFL LB and is barely fast enough to be an NCAA DE, let alone NFL
Fragel was the real gem. 6-8" 310, 37 bench reps TE athleticism.... kid will be a player in the NFL and I was hoping the Browns would grab him in the 6th or 7th round.
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It's a terrible time of year if you run a dealership and have to figure out what to do with undesirable misfit vehicles rolling to the end of their last model year when you have a lot's worth of new stock driving in. It's a far better season for bargain seekers looking to cash in on some poor car line's demise.
"If you're the pragmatic type whose decisions aren't driven by fashion, this is your chance to score a new set of wheels at a low price," says Philip Reed, senior consumer advice editor for the auto website Edmunds.com.
The alchemy behind the savings is simple: When carmakers introduce a model redesign, the prior model depreciates more quickly and reselling it might be more difficult. That takes folks who turn over their car every two to three years out of the equation, but if you plan on running a vehicle into the ground, resale value really isn't going to matter.
We took a spin around the fall dealer sales and, with help from Edmunds, came up with 10 models that won't make it out of 2012 in their current form, but will make it easy on this year's car buyers:
2012 Mazda CX-7
Is it a minivan? Is it a crossover? Buyers never quite knew, but now won't have to answer that question as Mazda puts this in-betweener out to pasture to make room for its more beloved CX-5.
Mazda doesn't even advertise the CX-7 anymore and the 2012 has been scrubbed from the automaker's U.S. website. Buyers lucky enough to find one get a standard 2.5-liter, 161-horsepower engine, a center storage compartment big enough for a laptop or purse and about 30 cubic feet of cargo capacity or 58.6 cubic feet with the rear seats down. The CX-7's acceleration isn't great and its mileage is nothing worth noting either, but its space and versatility is worth a lot more than a buyer will likely pay for it this fall.
2012 Hyundai Santa Fe
Crossovers are starting to evolve at this stage in their existence, and Hyundai's quickly learning that the crossover crowd will sacrifice engine size for interior space and efficiency every time.
The Santa Fe was always big for a midsized crossover, but Hyundai is lengthening the wheel base a bit for some of its 2013 models and adding an extra row of seats that increases rider capacity to six or seven. They're also doing away with an available V6 engine to go with a strictly four-cylinder lineup. The 2012 still has all its room, higher-output engines and tech toys such as satellite radio and Bluetooth and is still a bargain for buyers who aren't seeking extra space or additional cornering control.


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As painful as this is for me to admit, I went to bed at the end of the 6th inning last night. I was worn out from the exhausting game on Saturday, and I didn't want to be a zombie at work today (somebody has to change the world). The Reds' 4-0 lead, and Bronson Arroyo's one-hitter obviously made my decision a little easier. However, I did wake up without prompting at the top of the 9th inning, so I ended up watching the final inning unfold on my phone.
I'm still completely against a team with a better record playing the first two games of a five game series on the road, but until Bud Selig follows Chris Sabo's Goggles on Facebook, I'm afraid I'll never be able to get my point across to him. But that's all a moot point now, isn't it? All I hoped for was a split in San Francisco. I never dreamed the Reds would be heading back to Cincinnati, up 2-0 after facing Matt Cain and Madison Bumgarner. Yet here we are.
After enduring two (relatively) late games over the weekend, Reds fans now get to rearrange their schedules so they can accommodate at least one game that starts at the annoying time of 5:37 PM EST (4:37 PM my time). So, not only do I have to hope to be at my desk for the last hour or so of work, I'll also need to pray for good cellphone reception on the train on my way home to watch the rest of the game. Yes, I realize that World Series games used to be played in the middle of the day–during the week–but you're really cramping my style, Bud.
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Enterprises have been leveraging big data tools and technologies to analyze everything from consumer buying patterns to competitors' product strategies. It was only a matter of time before the security industry took notice at the effectiveness of big data for analyzing complex and varied types of data inputs and sought a way to make it work for today's security problems. And now, it's nearly impossible to hear about a new security product without mention of big data.
Security vendors are promising that big data will pick up where security information and event management has failed to meet enterprise needs in keeping up with the overwhelming amount of data and new sources of information that need to be analyzed. The difficulty from a consumer perspective is that it's nearly impossible to cut through the vendor hype and understand what is meant by big data. And does a vendor's definition of big data fit with what big data really is?
In this Dark Reading report, we will cover what big data is so you can weed through the buzzword-ridden marketing, clearly see the areas in which traditional SIEM and log management systems are failing, and determine how big data tools and technologies can help turn many disparate sources of information into actionable intelligence. (S7110613)
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