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While there's less stigma around mental illness than there used to be, many people remain unsure about whether to share information about their mental health at work.
Despite national campaigns to improve mental health at work, stigma is a still a problem for people who are working and also have a mental illness. In particular, many are conflicted over whether they should disclose their condition or not.
Figures suggest almost half of Australians with a mental health condition are withholding this information from their employers because they are worried it would put their job at risk.
However, experts say there can be benefits to speaking up about a mental health condition at work.
Catherine* is a university lecturer and has had depression and anxiety for more than 20 years.
"I have always told my managers about my depression at a point when they actually needed to know what was going on for me."
"I've selected very carefully the right people to tell, people who would understand. It's been very much a 'needs to know' basis. But I have never had a problem with someone who wasn't entirely sympathetic. I've never been treated badly."
In her experience, choosing to tell the right people can be helpful.
"There are benefits to having someone to problem solve with you regarding which aspect of work is causing you stress and help you put something in place to make sure it doesn't happen again," she says.
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Dr Caryl Barnes, consultant psychiatrist at the Black Dog Institute workplace programs and The Lawson Clinic, a specialist mood disorder clinic in Sydney says growing awareness about mental illness has lead to significant changes.
"There is change in public understanding of mental illness which has resulted in increased numbers of people being proactive in management of mental illness," Barnes said.
"There is a growing understanding that personality style, environment and triggers all contribute."
This is something Catherine has also noticed. As a university lecturer Catherine also needs to manage students who have a mental health condition. She says an increasing number of students are asking for special provisions for mental health conditions.
"People seem to be more upfront about mental illness and asking for what they need."
Despite this positive shift, Barnes says stigma is a continuing problem in our workplaces and it stops many of us from disclosing our condition at work.
"Many people don't seek help for mental illness. People would rather lose their job than seek help," Barnes says.
Yet if you have a mental health condition work is often very important, Barnes says in addition to providing income work can also give you:
Also hiding a mental health condition can create additional stress and anxiety if you are already struggling and it can prevent you seeking help during an episode and after you go back to work.
Veronica* had a history of bipolar disorder. She was in her early 30s and working as an HR manager when she had three deaths of family and close friends one after another. She stayed working despite growing inner turmoil until she started making mistakes. She felt so bad she disclosed her condition to her boss and tried to resign but her boss wouldn't let her.
Slowly when she was ready her boss invited her back to work on a graded work program over eight weeks.
When Veronica asked why he had done this he said Veronica was valued and loved by the team and had always done a great job. And now he wanted to support her. Veronica has stayed in the workforce for another 18 years.
Ingrid Ozols, a consumer advocate and managing director of MentalHealth@Work (a provider of workplace mental health education programs) says considering disclosing a mental health condition is a "double-edged sword".
She says benefits of disclosing include better understanding and two-way communication.
"Working together can help people reach their goals and develop themselves personally and professionally. But it's a toughie and we still have a lot of work to do," she said.
"Stigma in the workplace is still a sensitive and complex issue. Caution and intuition is recommended as many organisations still have cultures that don't address this well."
She says people may be fearful to share their circumstances due to concerns about the impact on career opportunities. Common concerns include:
"Employers may not even venture down the path of giving an employee with a known mental illness a promotion unless they are well established and have a positive track record."
This is mirrored in Catherine's experience.
"When I'm well I'm a high flyer. My managers know I am good value. So taking some time off is not a problem. They know I'll give back later at 150 per cent."
But Catherine acknowledges not everyone is a high flyer. "I don't know what their experience is."
There is no obligation to tell your employer about a mental health condition if it does not affect how well you do your job.
Ozols says if you do decide to be open about your mental health in the workplace, there are a number of aspects to consider.
She also says timing is important. Try to make an appointment with enough time for a lengthy conversation. Also make sure it is a good time for the person you are meeting with and they aren't distracted by other concerns.
Barnes says, "Disclosing comes down to how comfortable you are and the skills you have to have those conversations". However once a mental health condition is disclosed people can involve their doctor as a team member in developing a graded return to work plan.
She also said it's important to remember that once you have disclosed a mental health condition you are protected by antidiscrimination law.
*Names changed to protect privacy
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Published 11/08/2014
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11 Aug 2014 4:26:34pm
I have had an ongoing mental health problem (anxiety, depression and for workplaces it seems most difficult, I am inclined to cry easily)I had a migraine induced stroke in 1998. My work experience since has been that at the point I disclose, my job either becomes so difficult (workplace bullying) so I leave OR I am put on forced sick leave or offered redundancy. I have fought these via industrial commission, Equal Opportunity and Human Rights but after all these years of struggle I have given up and live on a disability pension despite being highly educated with strong work ethic and varied (and I would say valuable) work experience. One lawyer (EEO) said you should never disclose!
12 Aug 2014 2:23:11pm
I have always worked full time and even for myself on my days off, and when I became ill with depression all my employer wanted was for me to leave as they believed I needed a change and was with them long enough.
But in my state of mind I could not take care of myself and work things out and they pushed me out as too my manager due to dispute so maybe education for HR to feel comfortable with mental health issues.
11 Aug 2014 4:35:03pm
"She also said it's important to remember that once you have disclosed a mental health condition you are protected by antidiscrimination law."
This is very hard to prove.
Its better to speak as much as you can with medical professionals, wait until you feel 100% and then you will probably realise there is no need to tell.
12 Aug 2014 11:17:25pm
Unfortunately the average medical professional is not suitably trained to deal with issues of a non physical nature. A lot of work needs to be done in this particular area as they are the first point of call. It is not always necessary to be referred on. This sometimes is a bit of a pass the buck system.
13 Aug 2014 4:09:39pm
I am referring to Mental Health workers.
A lot of people "talk" to early simply because they want to talk to anyone about it. YOU DO NOT NEED TOO. Instead ring beyond blue and your GP and go from there with a referral.
If you dont talk to your Boss about your bad hip or blood pressure, why do you need to speak about Mental Health?
Particularly if it does not affect your ability to do your job. If its irrelevant then it can only invite discrimination.
Trust me you have enough fights with parties which legally can discriminate(such as insurers) to worry about work.
14 May 2015 11:36:14am
Yep - I told by boss that I was suffering from depression, and after some extended harassment from him I ended up at Fair Work, where none of the things I disclosed to him happened, because they "weren't in writing". I broke down at FWA and was treated like an idiot by everyone, and almost ended up in an institution by the end of the day.
You're lucky in the public sector.
11 Aug 2014 5:01:42pm
Don't Tell. You cannot get income support insurance. You cannot borrow money.
18 Aug 2014 8:48:49pm
That's actually not true.
I have claimed (and received) income protection as a result of major depression, and I've also obtained housing finance whilst ill.
I find it rather odd that, in an article talking about disclosing mental illness, first names of people have been changed. Is there really a problem telling people your first name and that you suffer depression or some other mental illness?
01 Dec 2014 9:59:34am
Hey Cameron. I'm glad your experience of disclosure was not negative. The reason why the names are changed and people are making the claims you refute is because for many people they ARE discriminated against in all sorts of ways as a result of mental health. Particularly in the workplace.
11 Aug 2014 5:04:22pm
My advice? Never, ever tell. Anyone who competes, or wants your position will exploit the knowledge to your disadvantage.
11 Aug 2014 5:24:43pm
MY experience with family members is that they dont know they are having an "issue" or relapse and so the situation becomes fraught when this is suggested to them. Little wonder that Work collegues and Employers have reservations. Plus often one is inclined to blame the "illness" as the reason for normal negative interactions and differences of opinion.
12 Aug 2014 10:52:46am
I know where you're coming from! Some mental illnesses can be very hard on the family AND work colleagues of the person who has the illness. Bi-polar disorder comes to mind.
12 Aug 2014 3:11:51pm
What about hard on the person actually suffering from it? Do you suggest they say nothing because it might make things easier for everyone else?
11 Aug 2014 5:26:33pm
Strange article, strange contribution from the black dog institutes consulting psychiatrist. Sufferers have to very careful telling doctors about their troubles. Doctors mainly believe that the only way treat these issues is with neurological damaging medications that there is no science behind them.Many patients who take these unproven and dangerous medications find they are discriminated against heavily for the rest of lives by the medical profession. I would like to see the science that psychiatry says mental illness is a result of chemical imbalance(as they have claimed) and how their medications work before I see them criticizing anyone else for the stigma suffers receive.I would like to see psychiatry explain the bribes that they have been involved in, bribed from drug companies to find uses for their unproven and dangerous medications.
12 Aug 2014 12:41:39pm
Dear PAS.
The science is easy to find if you look hard and just like the rest of us, some psychiatrists are corrupt but most aren't.
I'm truly sorry you've had a bad experience but you don't represent most patients in your views.
11 Aug 2014 6:13:07pm
Few years back, I was hospitalised following an attempted suicide. When I returned to work (I don't work there anymore), my manager strongly suggested that if I had known about my depression at the time they hired me without disclosing it, they would have grounds to terminate my employment.
A few months prior, they terminated the receptionist two weeks after she disclosed to them she was pregnant.
11 Aug 2014 7:10:00pm
I work and have a chronic depression/psychosis condition for which I take daily medication and see a psychiatrist regularly. I have disclosed my condition when it came to medical checks to determine my fitness for work, but by and large do not tell the people I work with on a daily basis. For one thing, I want to leave my past behind at work and also, I don't think people need to know unless it's absolutely necessary.
I must say that the times when I have disclosed my condition, I have received quite a lot of support and encouragement.
12 Aug 2014 1:35:26pm
After reading the other posts, I'd just like to add that you do have to be very careful who you speak to at work about a mental illness. Also you have to be careful how you say it. Say as little as possible and say that it is all under control.
11 Aug 2014 9:31:57pm
Having made the mistake of disclosing this information once, I will never do it again.
I thought I could trust my manager at the time, but when I required stress leave after working/being on call 24/7 for 2 months, they wouldn't accept my workcover claim, as I had a "pre-existing condition".
Anti-discrimination laws are great as long as you don't have to rely on them. (How many people with a mental health condition are up to a legal battle with an employer?)
01 Dec 2014 10:03:24am
Hi KPax,
Your points are well made and spot on!
15 Jun 2015 8:26:17pm
Hi,just came across this site. MY DAUGHTER has a job in childcare, snd studying toward diploma. A parentof a child ( not in her group) tried to befriend her,and she innocently mentioned her small tattoo shows that she is strong snd overcame the psychosis shed suffered. now reported her and her i childcare centre are making her feel pressured snd shes been fine until that make approached her. Iam overseas and feel helpless. She is good at her job and wants yo get on with it but the ongoing meetings etc seem a ploy to get rid of her, any thoughts? Shes in qld
11 Aug 2014 10:31:15pm
Certainly a double-edged sword.
And mentioning to your employer about any mental-health issues should be approached with extreme caution (even in this day and age).
In my exact situation, I mentioned to my manager in passing about depression and that I was seeking professional treatment to "sort it out".
To my surprise, HR put me in a lower paying job (effectively halving my annual income) - as they were concerned about my welfare working alone. All throughout the process, HR said that "once I was right again, I would be reinstated to my original job" ... 9 months later and even after a psych doc writing a detailed letter, HR wouldn't reinstate me to my previous position.
Because of me speaking up ... I lost my position.
The upside of the story, roughly 12 months after my mental health issues, I moved to a different employer ... into a job that pays roughly $20,000/PA more than I was on prior + they have great employee support services (including that specific to mental health).
11 Aug 2014 11:10:44pm
Despite my workplace knowing I was discriminated against, I lodged a complaint about covert bulling and discrimination. The employee I complained counter complained. I was accused of something I didn't do, found guilty and sanctioned. My complaint was not substantiated despite a credible witness. I continue to marginalised by sections of the organisation despite the fact I perform really well. I'm really fed up of being labelled 'sensitive' and people's bad behaviours continue not being addressed. I work in the public health system. Long way to go yet.
12 Aug 2014 10:02:38am
It's very concerning that the Human Service Industry has probably the worst record when it comes to the appropriate management, support and response of employees with mental health issues. I believe that disclosure in the Mental Health Industry is extremely low, that says it all really.
12 May 2015 9:39:03pm
I worked in an clinical mental health service. In a large rural hospital. No policy on mental health in the work place. I was there for ten years, got employee of the month a few times and had a lot of carrer success and when I went to hospital for depression no one contacted me....when I came bake to work...from my manager to most staff would past me as if I wasn't there. Worst place ever to disclose is a clinical mental health service.
13 May 2015 9:26:40am
YES to this! I disclosed a mental health issue to my manager. We were an organisation whose job was to support those living with mental health issues. Her reply to me was "Your no good to us if that's going to be an issue". I wasn't fired but I did quit within 2 months of starting the job - the support for staff there was attrociously bad.
To say I was flabbergasted is an understatement. I'll never disclose again.
12 Aug 2014 11:28:25pm
I totally agree with Helen. I'd also like to add that I think mental health challenges have probably reached epidemic proportions due to the toxicity of the modern workplace which is still stuck in the industrial age. If work places were healthy and functional these conditions would not be triggered in the first place. I think we need to slow down and pace our work so people don't burn out in large numbers. Employers need to look after their staff and appreciate their efforts. It is also their responsibility to provide healthy conditions. Employees in turn need to respect employers who do the right thing and not abuse the rights they are granted.
23 Sep 2014 12:20:53pm
I have to agree with you Helen, I do not have a mental health issue however my family member does. He has been dismissed for performance issues when he as raised concerns about staff members harassing and bullying. Discrimination amongst people with mental health issues is common and the stigma of this will continue as is unless managers have specific training and understanding in the area. definitely a long way to go.
03 Nov 2015 1:24:34pm
"I'm really fed up of being labelled 'sensitive' and people's bad behaviours continue not being addressed"
I completely agree! Not only have I been in a situation almost identical to yours, I am currently being harassed about taking time off after having 2 work related mental breakdowns. Everyone tries to make you feel like you are the problem and we are the ones forced to work on our 'resilience' but why can't other people be forced to work on their compassion and general human decency?
12 Aug 2014 12:46:31am
I suffer from depression which was diagnosed about 7 years ago. My friends tell me that I have exhibited symptoms for some years prior to my diagnosis.
I was very open with my employer (a maritime training organisation)about it and with my students.
We have seen too many issues, too many suicides, too many relationship breakdowns, etc over the years.
Those persons employed in FIFO and the maritime industry appear to be more prevalent to the effects, probably due to the amount (and length) of time spent away from home and family, and the long hours.
A vessel crew is a team. Any issues affect the whole team and as a team member, you look after oneanother.
I encourage people to look after each other and if someone doesn't appear to be travelling too well, do something about it. Be there for them, encourage them to seek help, talk to the skipper if you are really concerned.
If you have a problem, seek help.
It's hard to admit you have a problem (particularly for males). It's hard to ask for help. Trying to tough it out doesn't work. Big boys CAN cry. You are almost certainly not the only one aboard - 20% appears to be the approximate rate at any given time.
A surprising number of students have thanked me privately out of class for being upfront about it.
I am on tablets, attend counselling fortnightly and have great support from my wife.
12 Aug 2014 1:47:56am
----While there's less stigma around mental illness
There is less prejudice and discrimination. You err to call your prejudice my "stigma."
12 Aug 2014 4:14:01am
Lucky for me I was sacked. Mental illness issues resolved!
12 Aug 2014 11:34:55am
I can relate. Got laid off from my job. Best thing that ever happened in my career.
12 Aug 2014 1:53:14pm
Agreed. While the author of the article is correct that working can give people with mental illness a sense of purpose, routine and social interaction, if you're in a high stress and pressure job it can be the cause (or at least a contributing or aggravating factor) of your illness.
12 Aug 2014 8:44:23am
Having disclosed my mental illness in an industry that deals with the issue, and one you would expect to respond appropriately, I was appalled to be told not to bother applying for a promotion because I was considered too vulnerable. This is despite my colleagues wanting me to have the promotion and having been 'used' in the position for some time without any extra remuneration. As the article indicates, you must treat each workplace and your own circumstances individually to determine whether to disclose or not.
12 Aug 2014 8:54:59am
I am the sole carer of a partner with mental illness. I have learned not to tell my work superiors that this is the case (you are deemed unreliable). Now, when I have to look after my partner, I simply call in sick. Ironically, my own workload is often higher covering off other colleagues who simply at the drop of the hat can leave work to look after sick children. Naturally this is fine and should be so, but it is not afforded to me. (Australian Federal Public Service)
13 Aug 2014 6:57:02pm
I have an adult daughter with bi-polar. Approx 6 years ago I was forced to resign from my job of 8 years as the company would not give me any time off to look after my daughter. Had she been in an accident it would most likely have been a different story.
Descrimination against people with a mental illness us very much alive in 2014.
12 Aug 2014 9:29:14am
I had terrible post-natal depression with my first child and talked to my manager about it who really didn't know what to say. When I went back to work I fully disclosed it to management and about my lack of support from work and went on to make policy recommendations about how to contact people on maternity leave and managing employees back into the workplace. I was revisited by PND with my second child and my work were incredibly supportive, understanding and helpful. Build trust and leave a legacy of trust. We all learned so much from my experience.
31 Jul 2015 10:11:56am
Caroline, your situation is slightly different to entrenched mental illness. Most women readily understand post-natal depression, many experience it. It's transient and resolves, not the same as on-going life long illness.
12 Aug 2014 9:47:31am
As per other contributors, I also feel that anti-discrimination laws are useless. We are simply useless at accommodating people with mental illness in our workplaces and it is very much to our detriment. This must change.
12 Aug 2014 10:04:45am
Using a pseudonym, that tells you a lot!
I disclosed at work once--once--and it never felt right again. My boss didn't say any of the right things and gave me the sense this wasn't "really" a health issue. Despite being a high performing team member I began to be marginalised. Shortly thereafter I left.
In every other role I've had since diagnosis I've been very highly regarded by colleagues and employers. I won't disclose again: I'll see my supports outside work. I have identified myself in the HR database as "disabled" (since I meet the definition in case I need future accommodation), but haven't given any details and have indicated that currently my disability doesn't impact my ability to do my job.
12 Aug 2014 10:21:23am
I started a job not long after experiencing a psychotic break down following years of bullying, involving a long hospital stay and a continuing process of recovery. I was excited about this job because it was in the mental health sector and involved working very closely with mental health consumer advocates and others with lived experience of mental illness. This I believed was the opening I needed, get out of the closet and share my experiences, perhaps even contribute to changing a dysfunctional and abusive mental health system. So I disclosed my mental illness experience to those I thought would be most understanding, but I was deeply disappointed and hurt by the response I received. I was warned on more than one occasion that disclosing my experience, not only to people in my work place, but to those who call them selves mental health consumer advocates because of the reaction I might get. I have learned that mental health consumer advocates are themselves perpetuating bullying, mostly among them selves, and I know this first hand. This is a disincentive to new kids on the block disclosing their mental health status, and this might be because you simply may not have what those who have been mental health consumer advocates for a long time believe to be the right kind of mental illness. On top of this my work place has discouraged any kind of disclosure through some pretty questionable behaviour of their own. So, I have decided that the safest thing for me is to pack my mental health baggage back into the closet and that is where it will stay. No one will know unless I tell them.
12 May 2015 9:43:58pm
How horrid for you! Not all of us who work as mental health peer workers treat others like that. But I do know what u r talking about. How shameful that you were treated that way.
12 Aug 2014 10:26:07am
So many awful accounts of injustice. Good organisations have sound social justice strategies and policies. However, do they have KPIs and/or other mechanisms that show that management is walking the walk?
13 Aug 2014 1:15:24pm
What KPIs would you suggest?
27 Oct 2014 7:00:06pm
A decent score in an annual anonymised 3rd party engagement survey would be a good start.
One place I was at did these brilliantly and when backed up with a comprehensive bevioural management program it really straighted out those TypeA dinosaur managers who needed to learn that teamwork was not a dominance exercise. :-)
Performance AND behaviors where required to get the annual bonus. One without the other didn't score.
Mind you doesn't help if catbert still runs the HR department.....
12 Aug 2014 10:51:49am
My husband was forced to resign from his job due to harrassment when he had to seek treatment for mental illness. This was despite the principle of the business he worked for being a doctor. The doctor demanded a second opinion (though my husband was being treated by an eminent person in the field of mental illness) but later backed down.
12 Aug 2014 10:59:55am
After years of standing by an alcoholic husband, years of having several life threatening illness while bringing up 3 children with no real family support, I was fired for doing what I was told. I put up with workplace bullying but when I reported it I was told that I did not have the right to say anything about it. I was working as a carer but some around thought that I was doing it to perve on other peoples bodies. I have several disabilities and understand how awkward it is to cope when the disabilities become too bad. I could sympthise with my clients but had to work with people who used the job to ridicule others. I want to work but am told unless I can work 24/7 without a break for years on end then I am no good to anyone.
12 Aug 2014 11:20:02am
Our son has a mental illness and has disclosed this to several prospective employers. It is only since he gained a job with a union that this issue has not been taken into account by his employer as a reason not to employ him. I'd suggest the stigma surrounding mental illness is still so strong that I would advise people not to tell anyone.
12 Aug 2014 11:40:13am
First of all thanks to the many contributors of posts to this story and sharing your issues and experiences. I have PTSD (sometimes quite acute), anxiety and depression. I've only disclosed my condition once and I'm not sure I would do it ever again. I just think it's too dangerous and could be used against you. If there is a restructure/redundancies who do you think they would like to get rid of first? I know I'd be in the firing line even though I have been reasonably successful in my working life. So no I wouldn't disclose ever again.
12 Aug 2014 2:05:55pm
I was at a large firm making 1/3rd redundant. As they knew my condition I was not made redundant, I was told if I was not in by 9am and had not called I would be "performance managed". Next day I was 10 minutes late - got written warning, ended up in mental health ward that night - was unable to call until 9:30am (as I was non-voluntary patient) - they sacked me and saved on a substantial redundancy payout. Don't trust employers....happy ending - I've worked for the opposition for 8 years now!
12 Aug 2014 12:56:52pm
Told my employee a month ago that I suffer from anxiety and depression. A week later I was made redundant. Never tell anyone.
12 Aug 2014 2:56:16pm
I work for a large government organisation, which on the face of it have progressive rules relating to diversity and mental health. They say all the right things. Unfortunately they don't do them. They failed to intervene when I was bullied, despite a formal complaint from me, which led to a brreakdown and suicide attempt. Since I retunrned to work I have been treated as a pariah. I am denied opportunities available to others.
It's a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. A mental illness will inevitably affect your working life. Despite all the policies in the world, there is nothing to compel even government organisations to do the right thing.
12 Aug 2014 4:22:49pm
I told work I had a mental health issue, I was told I would be moved to a better job in the business, turned up for work, was told there was no position for me. Unless you are more than sure don't tell. If they tell you there is plenty of assistance or help for you its a lie. Im only still here because I am a lucky one with a strong family for support.
12 Aug 2014 4:58:54pm
Disclosure to an employer is rarely a good idea. My view is informed by my own experience, medical advice and observation of others.
The common concerns about disclosure listed toward the end of this piece are very real and tend to be what actually happens in the average workplace. Unfortunately, the advice and scenarios described above in favour of disclosure seem to apply in an ideal world; a world none of us inhabits.
12 Aug 2014 5:02:13pm
I would have to say 'don't disclose'.
There is an awful lot of prejudice out there. When I joined my local CFA brigade I disclosed that I was on medication. Later, I found out that the person in charge of that information was in the habit of revealing personal details of members. I can't trust him and I wish I had lied about it. He is a vindictive person who would be happy to use such information against people.
12 Aug 2014 5:47:59pm
I was recently going through a major depressive episode. I spoke about it to my boss and her response was to aggressively pick at my work over the next couple of weeks (which was on track, despite how bad I was feeling) and she eventually bullied me into resigning. You're hardly in a position to fight back when you can barely comb your hair in the morning, are you? Workplaces could care less how you feel, they just want their dollars-worth at the end of the day. If this is remotely threatened, you are history. And if you end up mentally collapsing, your workplace will step over your body and hire somebody new. If you want a job, don't speak up.
12 Aug 2014 6:54:02pm
I finally came out and disclosed my mental health problem to work. Thinking the stigma had gone.
I never got another pay rise. In the end lost the job.
Gone from high flyer to alone, isolated, jobless. No family and friend. No money.
Can't be insured, cant get a job, on verge of being homeless.
The stigma is stronger than ever. Maybe the strongest it has ever been.
From my experience you have to keep it hidden and just hope that you can cope.
12 Aug 2014 7:41:13pm
Gosh..such heart-wrenching stories; thanks for sharing.
I have had 2 sets of great managers who have understood and let me manage my way through my depression/anxiety/bi-polar. I knew I was lucky but reading the responses makes me realise how much.
Interesting all managers concerned had experience with a family member/friend with a mental illness. I'm guessing that may have made a huge difference.
12 Aug 2014 11:14:38pm
Yeh right! I guess in this era of new "enlightend workplaces, we should disclose our mental health issues at the interview.
13 Aug 2014 7:00:19am
I wouldn't disclose any medical information at all in the workplace if I could avoid it. You need to keep those barriers up between your personal and professional lives.
13 Aug 2014 10:29:18am
While the author may be correct - theoretically, the practice isn't that simple.
From my own horrible experience, mental health isn't so much a concern about what the employer or fellow employees might think rather it is all about the total uncertainty of what is happening to you. I clearly remember sitting at my desk quite literally scared stiff I was going mad. My circumstances were such that I did not know why I was suffering anxiety. Yes there had been a recent dramatic change in circumstances surrounding me but they were in fact reasonable, quite logical and were a perfectly normal and correct response to a situation so I had dismissed them as the cause – and to be perfectly frank I still don't know whether they were the cause or just a contributor. So in my own mind there was no reason to be anxious about them but the 'other' part of my brain couldn't accept that. I knew I was being unreasonable in my anxiety, but I couldn't control it. And because of that paradox, I quite literally thought I was going mad. Quite frankly, the last thing on my mind was talking to others and that wasn't because I was afraid of what their reaction might be; it was all to do with the sacredness I felt because I didn't know what was going on. And I might add, calling a 'help line' was also the very last thing on my mind; I was too busy trying to work out what was going on and that only caused further issues. Fortunately, drugs has helped me to get it under control and while I am no longer taking drugs, the anxiety is still happily boiling away under the surface but I now recognise the signs of an 'attack' and take measures to change what I'm doing at the time.
Having said all of that, finding a fellow sufferer at work the two of us became quite close and found great solace in each other simply by talking.
05 Oct 2014 11:57:58pm
The same thing has been happening to me at work, I can't control my anxiety. I'm looking for people suffering same condition so we can support one another. Will you be interested? I'm really really keen. Please let me know. Thank you
13 Aug 2014 10:31:26am
I suffer from PTSD. A few years ago, while working in a medical centre, I told one of the doctors about my condition. The doctor totally betrayed my confidence by telling the other staff in the centre that I had a psychotic condition (which I didn't). He and the receptionists in the centre abused me until I left. It took some time to recover from the episode and I would never again tell anybody I work with about me condition.
13 Aug 2014 11:40:42am
Interesting article, but I think society has a way to go in understanding and properly responding to mental health issues being raised - as demonstrated by many of these comments, which makes me sad. I have disclosed rarely, as I don't see that it is necessary as it doesn't affect my work. Other people take sick leave as they need to, as do I - I may suggest I've had a migraine rather than stating the real reason, that my anxiety has the better of me. One of the challenges in having supportive managers is them sometimes insisting you don't work or reduce your workload because they are worried about its impact upon your health. My response is that I manage my health perfectly well and will discuss my workload with them if I need to. I think it is a mixture of concern as well as potential liability if things go downhill.
13 Aug 2014 2:01:39pm
1. Never, ever tell them at work that you have a mental health issue and CERTAINLY not if it's work related. In spite of all the warm and fuzzy words at induction week, any supervisor, when confronted with an employee's mental health condition, will be concerned with two things and two things only: What are the legal/financial implications to the company, and can this person be relied upon to perform their duties adequately.
2. If you anticipate being called in for that little talk(be it KPIs, or whatever)get the paperwork ready. A covering letter from a therapist will buy you some time to consider your next move. Confronted with paperwork, they have to play it by the rules.
3. If the above sounds a bit underhand, it's not. Work places aren't fair. They were never meant to be. They work on a simple principle: raw materials + labour = products + profit.
4. If your GP thinks you need anti-depressant medication, you probably do. Guess what's the next most frequent complaint after coughs and colds? If your serotonin levels are low, the synapses don't conduct as well as they normally do and it manifests as anxiety or depression. It's no big deal. It's also nobody's business what medication you take.
4. Contrary to what others are saying around the barbecue, you're NOT your bank balance and you're NOT your job.
If your GP thinks you need to be on antidepressant medication,
13 Aug 2014 3:07:25pm
Well its easy treat people in the way you wish to be treated. It sounds to me in the comments that we have a lot of managers that can manage numbers but not people. Any decent person will look out for another in the time of need unless that person is not willing to help themselves.
01 Dec 2014 10:31:11am
Sadly a lot of employers prefer number crunching to people skills when hiring managers.
I'm not sure how to take your "Any decent person will look out for another in the time of need unless that person is not willing to help themselves" comment. Are you saying that many managers aren't "decent" people or that people with MI are unwilling to help themselves?
Many people (managers included) are both ignorant of and totally denigratory of mental health issues (especially if never directly experiencing them, and even then sometimes). Whilst it may seem that someone with a mental illness "isn't willing to help themselves" if you haven't walked in their shoes it's impossible to tell how much they are doing to help or what they are carrying.
What is needed is more compassion and effective help. I highly recommend this article http://stopabusecampaign.com/feature/trauma-informed
13 Aug 2014 4:46:11pm
So sad to read about people's experiences. Clearly, there is a long way to go before people can comfortably disclose.
13 Aug 2014 5:50:39pm
I disclosed to my Queensland Govt employer. I was sent off for a second opinion. Then my psych report was put on the public server for all my colleagues to see. Then I was overlooked for a promotion despite scoring highest in the selection process. Finally I left. They won. NEVER EVER DISCLOSE.
14 Aug 2014 3:16:30pm
There's a huge gap between the ethical and the practical. Every case is different, but when I told a contractor I had subbed to in the past, that I was treated for depression and had difficulty, to be fair he did give me another chance when I was well, but he paired me on a job with a proper bastard who bullied me out. Fortunately I've never had to go back - and my lovely partner has strongly supported me - better to be unemployed than work for an arsehole.
15 Aug 2014 10:35:12am
To all the people that say "do not disclose your mental health status", Bravo, I've lost 2 jobs because of my depression, Big business wants "yes" men. You need to protect yourself from burnout, or you will be targeted by the predator manager that wants a "tight" team (code for I'm working the weekend for free again). Unions are very good for protection, internal HR will only trivialize your problems into a "plan" that can be fixed with a long weekend. If you are struggling in your work, get help but not from your work place.
18 Aug 2014 8:24:28am
I would have liked to have the choice on disclosing, but the gossip spread before I could decide. The bullying continued for 10 years, so I changed jobs, the rumors followed, so did the bullying, so I changed Careers. Now over 15 years later, my medical records were accessed inappropriately, and it's all started again. My experience suggests you should not disclose anything to anyone, especially psychiatrists, who will only want to drug you for the rest of your life with soul destroying medications that have major negative health implications over the long term, and they will never make a connection between your symptoms and difficult life events, and their care plan does not include you getting better, it's just intended to keep you in a docile stupor. Once people suspect you have a mental illness, forget being taken seriously or being able to argue a point ever again, forget being able to complain about anything, forget being able to have an opinion that differs with others, all these are just more symptoms of your illness. Having the stigma of mental illness is worse than being labelled a terrorist, a lot of people feel sympathy for the Jihadist cries of injustice, but never if they think you're mad..
18 Aug 2014 10:32:30am
Oh, I forgot to mention, the original provisional diagnosis of BiPolar, was overturned a decade later by a medical review board, and reclassified as PTSD - now resolved - but try getting anyone to believe you when you tell them that....There is no escape once you are targeted for consumption by the mental health system...
08 Feb 2015 11:11:16am
very well said "not telling" I whole heartidly agree and have very similar experience to you
02 Oct 2014 3:36:44pm
I have anxiety and depression and had a job as senior manager. When I had my first bout of depression I made the mistake of telling my boss and would you believe the first thing he said was "are you dangerous?". Although in my state it was difficult, I had to carefully explain what depression actually was - didn't make much difference though as I lost my job and my entire career. I retrained, got another degree, but too old by that time to get a new career going...
02 Oct 2014 4:42:42pm
Social, cultural and environmental factors are rarely discussed as source problems in the medical model understanding of "mental health" or "mental illness". Just read the commentary in this discussion and you will start to appreciate some of the broader societal issues causing this prevalence of depression. During the Kennett era of government Victoria was more privatised than the whole of the UK under Margaret Thatcher (who claimed 'there was no such thing as society'). There is a very ugly, dark undercurrent at play in the Australian psyche that projects into areas of vulnerability that de-humanise people in a number of ways. Who decided the definition of "mental illness" and "mental health"? Some cultures don't have such terms in their lexicon ... they have a deep and enduring acceptance for the human condition that doesn't name, shame, pilliary or stigmatise difference or 'otherness'. Let's look closely at our policies and institutional modes of social control (legal medical,religious) to open up the conversation honestly and not just tinker around the edges. As Leunig said: "the great depression" is here ... let's listen to what it's really trying to teach us! While we continue to diminish, humiliate and hurt each other and ourselves (and the planet)we will enculturate the "great depression" more and more. It's not a laughing matter and "resilience" doesn't cut it either. Let's get real about the true causes ... and then do something about it. I am!
01 Dec 2014 10:35:26am
Hey, Good for you! I agree.
06 Oct 2014 8:50:48pm
I made the mistake of disclosing my bi-polar disorder once. All of a sudden I was moved into a different job and never given senior assignments again.
One of the problems with this debate is that some of the advice is based on what should be true rather than what you are actually likely to experience from real living and breathing people.
When I later discovered that the boss is a born again Christian who believes mental illness is the work of the devil no amount of anti-discrimination law was going to make any difference if he was clever as to how he blocked my every opportunity for promotion.
07 Oct 2014 12:53:42pm
I have to disagree with most of the above comments, however it does depend on an individual's situation.
After only having worked in my new job for about 2 weeks, I began having panic attacks at work. My boss was great, was always an open person to talk to and suggested I take some leave to be able to recover and come back to work fresh, however also respecting that I needed to keep working and keep a structure. Things improved for a few months after that, however have gone down hill again, and the only person who I felt comfortable telling that I was having thoughts of suicide was my boss.
I could not have asked for a more supportive response. I now don't panic that I feel as though I need to chuck a sicky when my day is that bad that I can't get out of bed, I don't have to hide what is happening, my workplace totally has my back.
I'm sure not every workplace is like this, but it's a relief for me.
26 Oct 2014 8:04:19pm
Very few workplaces are like this and from the outside you can't tell which is which.
I'm very happy you have a understanding boss.
I've recently had to disclose PTSD to my current employer after the tv news played footage of the fatal accident of a fellow employee unexpectedly, well after the incident, one evening and I didn't have a plausible reason to chuck a sickie for the next couple of days to get to a weekend haven. Uncontrollably crying isn't an appropriate workplace behaviour.
I'm waiting nervously to see if my moment of weakness in telling the truth is going to hurt this position and I'm kicking myself for not having the presence of mind to say some English aunt had died :-(
25 Oct 2014 8:34:32pm
Mental health and the work place
do not mix.
That's the cold hard truth.
Like others unless I find a way of working for my self. I have little hope for a " normal " life
01 Dec 2014 10:52:39am
It's pretty clear from reading the comments here that safety in disclosing at work is a very long way from reality. Most comments say don't and give cogent reasons why. A few lucky ones have been blessed with supportive management.
One of the best points made is that even if you care covered by anti-discrimination law few who have a mental health condition are in a psychological or financial condition to take on such a case. It is also not unusual to find the justice system is abusive of those with mental health concerns.
Personally I've had both good and bad experiences with work, having had HR use my anxiety against me, and also having a supportive boss who shielded me and moved me sideways/gave me leave when I was at breaking point. However all this was well before I had a PTSD diagnosis. I haven't been able to work since having children. I've tried but however well I am when I start I end up severely suicidal within 3 months.
Financially I'm a lot worse off, but we survive and I am able to manage my health in ways that work effectively for me. My job is to stay out of hospital and keep my kids out of care - thereby preventing extremely costly interventions. This and raising healthy resilient kids is my contribution now.
10 Mar 2015 7:54:16pm
I was sacked due to a work place accident when I couldn't return to doing what I use to do.,I could do all other tasks except this one thing and I developed depression, anxiety, PTSD due to the accident. I was sacked 3 days before Christmas 2014. I had asked to be put somewhere else after disclosing my psychological issues due to the accident. So I would be very hesitant in disclosing anything .
28 Mar 2015 11:30:32am
When applying for a job, there has always been a question about it, so I have always disclosed, however I would prefer not to. Having said that, my current work environment is very supportive and perfect for me (I have bipolar, last severe episode in 2013 - very stable since then). But my previous employers and fellow work mates exacerbated my illness (really, verbally attacking people when you are stressed is not conducive to their health - yes, the 'normal people' do that, if you too are in one of those environments, I suggest you get a new job).
What bothers me more is the fact that if you tick the box when renewing your drivers licence, according to law in WA this then gives them the power to force you to have a medical examination, whenever they want to, in order to be declared fit to drive! So now, I have to be assessed by my GP at least every 2 years and have a list of instructions on my drivers licence to "take medication as prescribed by doctor"! Please! Anyway, apparently, if I don't tick this box, and then I have an accident - then the shit really hits the fan. My insurance wouldn't cover me, and depending on what happens in the accident I could end up being charged. However, I find this highly discriminatory, and it causes anxiety and stress, and the reality is, there are so many 'normal' people out there driving - who seriously need to be assessed more urgently than little old me. I seriously think that the authorities have latched onto the "mental health" population as if they are the cause of all the problems, however in my experiences it is the "supposedly normal" population group that need to be investigated and targeted more.
04 Apr 2015 3:04:24pm
I've had mixed experiences, one of my executives had a sister with bipolar and was one of the first people to suggest I was going through a psychotic episode. He was very understanding and did help me try and assimilate back into the company many years later, which didn't work out anyway.
Generally speaking to reveal a mental illness in the workplace is to, 90% of the time; allow people to question your judgment, reasoning and capabilities. All that this dangerous article seems to be trying to do is inspire people to change the culture within workplaces about mental illness by making an example of themselves to their own detriment. I highly advise, along with the majority of this thread, against this articles recommendations.
Let experiences in people's social circles be the mode of shifting discriminatory ideas around mental illness rather than encourage the public to offer themselves up like a lamb for slaughter. The only thing one will be sacrificing is their reputation and ability to earn. The workplace may be slightly tolerant of depression but if you have a diagnosis of schizophrenia, bipolar or a personality disorder - don't disclose - it scares most people and is viewed as a liability to the business. The authors of this article should know better! As a psych ward nurse told me - "don't tell anyone about this and just say you went on a holiday."
05 May 2015 6:07:43pm
What a silly and foolish article. Never, ever disclose except in the form of a medical certificate or edited report from a specialist, and even then, only if its absolutely necessary. Most managers in this country lack basic people management skills and are examples of rank ignorance in this area, and a number of other areas besides, even including fiscal responsibility and corporate governance!
11 May 2015 5:49:31pm
I have a mental issue a few years ago where I was suffering from severe anxiety to the pint where I was physically ill at work. It got to the point where I could not even go in to the building where our office was located.
My immediate Manager was no support whatsoever when I told him and it just seemed to make matters worse.
I had to go on extended leave for 11 months at which time I was sacked.
I would definitely think twice before disclosing again
12 May 2015 9:30:19am
I have depression and I will never share that information with an employer again. It was used against me when I tried to bring a bullying claim against a former manager, I've also been refused insurance on several occasions. In hindsight, I would not have even told my GP as it is now on my medical record and can never go away. My depression has never affected the quality or productivity of my work, in fact I've always been one of the best performers, and on good days, I pat myself on the back for being successful in spite of this horrible illness. But in bad times, it's really tough, because when you are depressed, you want understanding but the stigma is too strong.
12 May 2015 10:25:48am
It is not only mental illness,a hearing impairment was to me a stigmatised condition in my career. I kept my hearing and communication
difficulties hidden in my workplace.
I simply felt too embarrassed to disclose,there was no forum and no formal means of support.
So I took early retirement. Later I found our about Employment Assistance Fund, Job Access, Jobs in Jeopardy which provides assistive devices and work modifications to applicants.
I am devastated about my ignorance that I was entitled to have assistive listening devices at work.Now I have gained a new qualification in another field,I am a mature age jobseeker.
To date I have had no success to even receiving a reply to my job applications.Lost income, lost productivity,less super, a diminished life are the consequences I live with.
12 May 2015 10:54:40am
I told my management of depression due to the working environment and from then on I found they just wanted to get rid of me. I feel their ignorance of the situation made them afraid. Despite the company having procedures to deal with these type of issues they ignored the procedures and then just encouraged me to leave through harassment and bullying.
Having now left the organisation I still have issues but I feel safe in that they cannot hurt me emotionally or mentally any more. Fortunately the support is out there if you can muster the strength to seek it.
I say don't let the bastards win.
12 May 2015 2:49:29pm
Simple answer to this one-No!
31 Jul 2015 10:00:47am
Absolutely spot on, it is neither wise nor necessary to disclose mental illness. If you are taking the appropriate medication why should anyone know, it's only your own business. If you fall ill, take time off work, a doctor is not obliged to disclose the nature of your illness to your employer.
13 May 2015 9:58:48am
Mental illness is horrible and is incredibly misunderstood. Whatever you decide or do then I wish you the best of luck. It will be a tough ride.
31 Jul 2015 10:16:42am
Mental illness cannot be accommodated within many small businesses where the profit margin is small, so it's essential that if you take a job you make sure you are able to be there and do it consistently. Say nothing, take your medication, take time off if necessary, but do not complain if the boss says we need someone who is able to do this job to keep the business afloat. It's not being hard, a job is a job, and nothing else.


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- 1 bunch green onion, chopped
- 1⁄2 cup flat leaf parsley, chopped
- 3 tablespoons flour
- 1 pint half-and-half cream
- 3 tablespoons dry sherry
- 1 tablespoon garlic, minced
- salt, to taste
- black pepper, to taste
- cracked red peppercorns, to taste
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i have a BB 8520 v126.96.36.1992 (platform 184.108.40.206). my phone was working perfectly until it got really wet in my pocket when i was out in torrential rain for a few hours, a week ago. i managed to dry it out and it now works ok, if not a bit slower than before. however there are 3 issues with it now, i was wondering if someone could help me with please?
1. the camera doesn't work. if i try to open the camera, the screen goes black for 5 seconds and then the following message appears - "could not start the camera. close other applications and try opening the camera again". i don't think i have any other applications open so not sure why that comes up - an ideas? i'm not too fussed that the camera doesn't work as it's rubbish anyway but anyone had this problem before?
2. whenever i do a battery pull, the message "uncaught exception: index 46 >= 46" comes up. if i just click 'ok' then the phone works as usual. i also sometimes get a message saying "uncaught exception: application net_rim_bb_messaging_app (258) is not responding; process terminated" but that only comes up when i am trying to get into my SMS inbox, not BBM. it also only happens infrequently.i'm not too fussed about these error messages either s it's just annoying more than anything, but any ideas how to fix it?
3. the thing which is bothering me the most is the emails - or lack of it! i used to have my hotmail emails sent to my phone but since the phone got waterlogged, the email inbox button on my menu screen has disappeared, but the messages must still be coming through as i keep getting the envelope icon and red star and the number of emails next to it on my home screen. i have tried a battery pull, many times, and that temporarily does remove the icon but the emails soon start building up again but with nowhere to view them on my phone. on the 'messages' icon, a red star is constantly there, indicating there are unopened messages, but when i click on it, there are no messages there!
please forgive how badly i have described this but i'm not very technical! i have searched for days for answers to these questions but no one else seems to have the exact same problem. i cannot 're-register' my email address on my BB because all it says under 'email setup' is "i want to use a work email address with a blackberry enterprise server". this has always been the case it only saying that, so i have no idea how i originally set up my hotmail account on my BB, i can't remember!
please help and thank you in anticipation.
Hi and Welcome to the Community!
First things first...since I cannot tell exactly what you did when it got wet, I recommend...
Run, don't walk, to this FAQ:
Do everything it says, including waiting the maximum recommended time. Applying power to your BB between it getting wet and doing this process reduces the chances of success. Further, the only thing predictable about moisture intrusion into a BB (indeed, any electronic device) is that the results will be unpredictable. I've seen some come back up right away and be fine. I've seen others never work at all. I've seen still others run for a bit, and then die later. And every thing in between.
Next (and this will be at least 5 days from now!!), I suggest the following steps, in order, even if they seem redundant to what you have already tried (steps 1 and 2 each should result in a message coming to your BB...please wait for that before proceeding to the next step):
1) Register HRT
2) Delete and Resend Service Books
3) Batt Pull Reboot
Hopefully that will get things going again for you! If not, then you should try deleting and re-adding your BIS configuration for the affected email accounts. Otherwise, you should contact your mobile service provider for formal support, but given your water damage situation, I wouldn't hold out much hope.
Good luck!
thank you so much for your detailed help, it is most appreciated.
i have followed all the steps, but i do not receive 'activation' message for the KB02830 section. every other step seems to have worked. you also mention, if that doesn't work, to try deleting and re-adding your BIS configuration for the affected email accounts. sorry to be thick, but i don't know how to do that!!
thanks for all your help, i really appreciate it.
You are most welcome...but...
zildjian09 wrote:
i have followed all the steps
Since it is now Monday and your original report was on Friday, you did not actually do so...the FAQ states to wait 3-5 days and I said to wait the maximum, yet it's been only at most 4 days so far. Then again, if you had previously waited the full 5 days, then perhaps you had already fully completed those steps. But, from your words, I cannot tell.
zildjian09 wrote:
but i do not receive 'activation' message for the KB02830 section. every other step seems to have worked.
Actually, since I had stated to wait for that Activation message to arrive BEFORE proceeding to any more of those steps, then doing so (proceeding) is pointless. What you should now do is contact your mobile service provider for formal support...your BB is unable, for some reason, to communicate properly with their data network...but only they have access to the "behind the scenes" systems to check for problems.
Then again, as I also said concerning a wet BB, it is completely possible that your BB may never work properly, even if you had properly followed all of the steps in the relevant FAQ. But, that's impossible to diagnose at an internet-distance...only a qualified hardware technician, with the device in their hands, can give you a proper determination.
Be prepared as you seek formal support to be refused...a BB that gets wet voids all warranty provisions.
Good luck!


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