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For the 16 percent of its gross domestic product that the United States spends on health care — double the median for industrialized nations — the U.S. gets some of the world´s best hospitals and most highly specialized physicians. Despite spending all that money, however, the U.S. remains the only industrialized country in the world that does not guarantee universal coverage. It is not a leader in the adoption of health information technology, and it achieves neither the best outcomes nor the best quality of care when compared to other nations. Wide variations within the United States in quality, access, and costs pull national averages down to well below benchmarks achieved by top-performing states, hospitals, or other providers.
So report Cathy Schoen and her colleagues at the Commonwealth Fund in a new article published today on the Health Affairs Web site. Schoen´s article describes the scores earned by the nation´s health care system on a new national scorecard developed by Commonwealth. The scorecard, "which was designed to assess and monitor all key dimensions of performance in relationship to benchmarks and over time, provides a unique whole-system view," the authors explain. Development of the scorecard, which will be issued annually, was spearheaded by the Commonwealth Fund Commission on a High Performance Health System, led by James Mongan, M.D., president and CEO of Partners Healthcare System in Boston.
"The overall picture that emerges from the scorecard is one of missed opportunities and room for improvement," say Schoen, a senior vice president for research and evaluation at Commonwealth, and coauthors. The United States´ total average score across all categories was 66 out of a possible 100, and "on multiple indicators, the United States would need to improve its performance by 50 percent or more" to reach the levels attained by top performers. In addition, within the U.S., the spread between top and bottom performers was often large. As a result, even moving below-average areas up to average would represent significant improvement.
The Commonwealth scorecard contains thirty-seven scored indicators, although many of these are composites. The indicators, a mix of existing and new measures, are grouped into five broad "domains": health outcomes, quality, access, efficiency, and equity. A score of 100 on a given indicator represents not perfection but rather benchmarks set by top-performing countries or the top 10 percent of U.S. states, hospitals, health plans, or other providers.
Some notable results from the scorecard include the following:
— Health Outcomes. (Total U.S. score: 69) On a measure of "deaths before age seventy-five from conditions that are at least partially preventable or modifiable with timely and effective health care," the United States ranked fifteenth out of nineteen countries in 1998.
— Quality. (Total U.S. score: 71) Barely half of adults receive all recommended clinical screening tests and preventive care according to guidelines. Only half of adults and just under 60 percent of children receive needed mental health care. In addition, almost one-third of adults and more than half of children do not have a primary care "medical home" — a physician "who is available and serves as a central source of primary care and referral."
— Access. (Total U.S. score: 67) Four out of ten U.S. adults reported that they went without care because of costs during 2004 — a rate four times higher than in the United Kingdom, the benchmark country.
— Efficiency. (Total U.S. score: 51) Rates of hospital readmission vary widely across geographic areas: Rates in the highest hospital regions were more than 50 percent higher than in the lowest 10 percent of regions. Additionally, in a six-nation survey, U.S. patients reported that records or test results were not available at the time of their appointment, and that doctors unnecessarily repeated tests, at rates two to three times higher than patients in the lowest-rate benchmark countries.
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United States District Court, N.D. Illinois, Eastern Division
August 14, 2014
GLOBAL TECHNOLOGY & TRADING, INC., an Illinois corporation, and MANOJ JAIN, Plaintiffs,v.SATYAM COMPUTER SERVICES LIMITED, Defendant.
WILLIAM T. HART, District Judge.
Manoj Jain and his company, Global Technology & Trading, Inc. ("GTTI"), filed this lawsuit to recover $600, 000 in commissions for helping defendant Satyam Computer Services Limited ("Satyam") buy an Illinois company called Bridge Strategy Group, LLC ("Bridge Strategy") in 2008. Plaintiffs allege that Satyam's former employee, Shailesh Shah, orally promised Plaintiffs that they would receive 3% of the sales price if the deal closed.
The lawsuit was initially filed in Illinois state court but removed to this Court based on diversity jurisdiction. At all relevant times and at the time of the filing of this lawsuit, Plaintiff GTTI was an Illinois corporation with its principal place of business in DuPage County, Illinois; Plaintiff Jain was an Illinois resident and citizen; and Defendant Satyam was a foreign corporation organized under the laws of the Republic of India, with its principal place of business in Hyderabad, India.
Plaintiffs asserted a claim for breach of an oral contract, as well as alternative quasi-contract claims. The case was initially assigned to Judge Zagel who ruled on several motions to dismiss. On December 9, 2009, he granted Satyam's motion to dismiss all four counts in the original complaint and gave Plaintiffs leave to re-plead. Satyam filed a motion to dismiss the first amended complaint, which was granted without prejudice on April 6, 2010. Plaintiffs filed a second amended complaint. Satyam move to dismiss three of the four counts. On January 28, 2011, Judge Zagel granted the motion to dismiss the breach of contract claim with prejudice, finding that Plaintiffs had failed to allege definite and certain terms to establish an oral contract claim under Illinois law. Judge Zagel also dismissed the unjust enrichment claim without prejudice giving Plaintiffs leave to cure the deficiencies in that count. Plaintiffs did not move to file a third amended complaint, and Satyam filed its answer and affirmative defenses on March 9, 2011.
Discovery ensued. At a December 19, 2013 status hearing, Judge Zagel granted the parties leave to file cross-motions for summary judgment, on the issue of liability only, by February 14, 2014. Both sides filed motions for summary judgment, and a briefing schedule was set. On May 8, 2014, the case was reassigned to this court.
In their opening summary judgment briefs, each side asserted a number of arguments. Satyam raised these four: (1) Plaintiffs' claims are barred by the Illinois Business Brokers Act of 1995, 815 ILCS § 307/10-1, et seq., because Plaintiffs were required to register with the Illinois Secretary of State and were also required to obtain a signed written contract, neither of which they did; (2) Plaintiffs' claims fail because GTTI has already been paid $255, 000 by Bridge Strategy to perform the same services Plaintiffs seek to be compensated for in this lawsuit; (3) Plaintiffs' promissory estoppel claim fails because Jain was highly experienced and educated and could not reasonably rely on the alleged oral promise; and (4) Plaintiffs' quantum meruit claim fails because the services Plaintiffs provided to Satyam in the hope of later obtaining a contract are not compensable, and any subsequent services Plaintiffs provided which incidentally benefitted Satyam were services they were already obligated to perform on behalf of Bridge Strategy.
Of these four arguments, the first one under Brokers Act dominated the remaining briefs. Specifically, Plaintiffs argued that this defense had been waived because Satyam never raised it in its three motions to dismiss nor included it as an affirmative defense when it answered the second amended complaint. The defense was first raised in Satyam's opening summary judgment brief in February 2014. Plaintiffs complain that Satyam could have raised this defense years earlier and that Plaintiffs have been prejudiced by expending hundreds of hours of attorney time and spending thousands of dollars litigating this case.
As discussed below, the parties seem to agree that this defense, if not waived by Satyam, is dispositive regarding the two remaining counts in this lawsuit. Therefore, the central issue is whether the defense has been waived.
Satyam asserts four arguments against a finding of waiver. First, the Brokers Act argument is not an affirmative defense under Rule 8(c). Second, even if it is, Satyam asserted four affirmative defenses that effectively put Plaintiffs on notice of this defense. Third, Plaintiffs have not been prejudiced because they have had an opportunity, in their summary judgment briefs, to respond to this argument. Fourth, if this Court is not persuaded by the first three arguments, Satyam asks for leave to amend its answer.
The first two arguments are not persuasive, as the Brokers Act argument is akin to a statute of frauds, which is a classic affirmative defense, a point Satyam implicitly agrees with. Likewise, although Satyam did assert four affirmative defenses challenging the enforceability of any agreement, it never explicitly mentioned the Brokers Act.
However, the third argument is meritorious. The Seventh Circuit has held that, "[w]hile Fed.R.Civ.P. 8(c) directs parties to raise affirmative defenses in the pleadings, a delay in raising an affirmative defense only results in waiver if the other party is prejudiced as a result." Schmidt v. Eagle Waste & Recycling, Inc. , 599 F.3d 626, 632 (7th Cir. 2010). The Seventh Circuit has further held that "where the plaintiff has an opportunity to respond to a late affirmative defense, he cannot establish prejudice merely by showing that the case has progressed significantly since the defendants answered his complaint." Williams v. Lampe , 399 F.3d 867, 871 (7th Cir. 2005).
The key factor in determining prejudice under Seventh Circuit case law is whether the plaintiff had an opportunity to respond to the argument by, for example, filing a summary judgment response brief. If the plaintiff had such an opportunity, courts typically have found no waiver. See, e.g., Garofalo v. Village of Hazel Crest , ___ F.3d ___, 2014 WL 2609895, *7 (7th Cir. June 12, 2014) (finding no waiver of affirmative defense first raised in summary judgment brief because defendants "had the opportunity to challenge this argument in their own summary judgment submissions"); Carter v. U.S. , 333 F.3d 791, 796 (7th Cir. 2003) (no waiver where government raised affirmative defense for the first time six weeks before trial); DeValk Lincoln Mercury, Inc. v. Ford Motor Co. , 811 F.2d 326, 334 (7th Cir. 1987) ("when parties argue an affirmative defense in the district court, technical failure to plead the defense is not fatal"); Manson v. City of Chicago , 795 F.Supp.2d 763, 770 (N.D. Ill. 2011) (affirmative defense first asserted during briefing on summary judgment was not waived because plaintiff had the opportunity to file an additional brief, although he declined to file one); West v. United States , 2010 WL 4781146, *3 (S.D. Ill. Oct. 25, 2010) (allowing assertion of affirmative defense, even though there is "some question about why the government has waited, " because the plaintiff cannot claim significant prejudice where he "had the opportunity to respond in writing to the government's motion to amend and motion for summary judgment" and where the defense "presents a straightforward question of law" under a statute of repose); Neuma Inc. v. Wells Fargo & Co. , 515 F.Supp.2d 825, 851 (N.D. Ill. 2006) ("because Neuma has not been prejudiced and has had ample opportunity to respond, the court concludes that Wells Fargo has not waived its statute of limitations defense by raising it for the first time in its motion for summary judgment rather than in its answer").
This Court allowed Plaintiffs the opportunity to file a sur-reply brief to further address the Brokers Act defense and the waiver issue. In asking for leave to file this sur-reply brief, Plaintiffs argued that it was appropriate because the waiver issue was "outcome-determinative." Id. In the sur-reply, Plaintiffs acknowledge that the Seventh Circuit has ruled repeatedly that no waiver should be found where the plaintiff had an opportunity to respond. Plaintiffs' only argument is that it would be better as a matter of policy to adopt a stricter approach on waiver of affirmative defenses in this type of situation.
Whatever the merits of these policy arguments may be, this Court will follow the prevailing Seventh Circuit rule. Applying this rule here, this Court finds that Satyam did not waive its Brokers Act defense because Plaintiffs have had an opportunity to respond to the defense. Satyam first raised the defense in its opening summary judgment brief. In their response brief, Plaintiffs argued strenuously that this defense had been waived, but they chose not to offer any additional arguments on the merits even though they were free to do so. Likewise, in their sur-reply brief, Plaintiffs again focused their entire argument on the waiver question, declining the opportunity to offer an alternative defense on the merits of the defense. Plaintiffs thus have had two opportunities to respond on the merits. Their failure to respond is an implicit acknowledgment that the defense bars their two claims, a conclusion consistent with Plaintiffs' characterization of the waiver issue as being outcome-determinative.
In its opening summary judgment brief, Satyam laid out step by step the reasons why Plaintiffs' promissory estoppel and quantum meruit claims are barred under the Brokers Act. The Act defines a "business broker" as (among other things) a person who "assists any person in procuring a business from any third person" and also a person who "assists or directs in the procuring of prospects intended to result in the purchase, sale, or exchange of a business." 815 ILCS § 307/10-5.10(1) & (5). The Act requires a business broker to register with the Secretary of State. 815 ILCS § 307/10-10. Any contract for the services of a business broker "shall be in writing and signed by all contracting parties." 815 ILCS § 307/10-35.
It is undisputed that Plaintiffs acted as brokers in connection with Satyam's purchase of Bridge Strategy. Plaintiffs have alleged in their Second Amended Complaint that they "supported and facilitated the merger discussions between Defendants and Bridge Strategy, " "provided brokering or consulting services to Defendant's Board of Directors and/or officers in connection with the possible acquisition of Bridge Strategy by Defendant, " and "assisted with the negotiation of a purchase price in connection with the anticipated transaction between Defendant and Bridge Strategy." Plaintiffs further allege that payment of any fees was contingent upon the transaction closing. All these actions fit squarely within the Act's definition of a "business broker."
It is also undisputed that Plaintiffs never registered with the Secretary of State nor obtained a signed written contract. Failing to meet these two requirements means that any contract for broker services is void. The Act applies "when the company or business sought to be sold has its principal place of business in this State." 815 IlCS § 307/10-105. Bridge Strategy was headquartered in Illinois.
It is thus clear that the Act bars any claim based on a contract. As noted above, Judge Zagel previously dismissed this claim with prejudice. The two claims remaining are for promissory estoppel and quantum meruit. Satyam argues that these counts are also barred under the Act because it is "axiomatic that the law will not allow a party to do indirectly that which he is precluded from doing directly." Greiner v. Dominick's Finer Foods, Inc. , 652 N.E.2d 1162, 1167 (Ill.App. Ct. 1995). In Sandra F. Monroe & Co. v. Nat'l Equip. Servs., Inc., 2000 WL 420746 (N.D. Ill. Apr. 12, 2000), the court granted a motion to dismiss the plaintiff's breach of an oral contract claim under the Brokers Act and rejected the plaintiff's request to pursue a quantum meruit claim because such a claim would "circumvent the purpose of the statute." Id . at *5; see also Thomas v. Daubs, 684 N.E.2d 1011, 1015 (Ill.App. Ct. 1997) (affirming dismissal of plaintiffs' oral contract, promissory estoppel, and quantum meruit claims, arising out of the brokering of a sale of a landfill business, because plaintiffs were not registered under the Real Estate License Act or Business Brokers Act and because the contract was not in writing). Based on these cases, this Court finds that Plaintiffs' quasi-contract claims are also barred under the Act. Having concluded that Plaintiffs' only two remaining claims are barred, this Court need not address Satyam's other arguments for summary judgment.
IT IS THEREFORE ORDERED that Defendant's cross-motion for summary judgment [75] is granted, and Plaintiffs' cross-motion for partial summary judgment [79] is denied. The Clerk of Court is directed to enter judgment in favor of Defendant and against Plaintiffs dismissing Plaintiffs' causes of action with prejudice and awarding Defendant the costs of suit.
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|This template was considered for deletion on 2007 April 19. The result of the discussion was "keep".
If you are here then you noticed the template. This is based off of the template {{Sep11}} and is intended to group articles related to this topic. --StuffOfInterest 14:03, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- I was ;pplong at this page to look for the names of the Va. tech victims.
- I am so sorry that every website I have seen has the shooters name listed as a victim.
- I also note that there is MORE information oon "the shooter" than any victim.
- I am doing research on the media's acknow;edhement of chool shooters as the highlited person of any incident.
- They even portray them as "heroes."
- But yje victims are only mentioned after, the killers life history is featured. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 03:09, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
'Notable' victims?[edit]
Why do some victims get more attention than the others? I see the three notable victims are professors, but what about the students? The fair thing would be either to list all of the victims or none. That's just my two cents of course. I agree. I think this very 'notoriety' is probably what set Cho off in the first place. contribs).
- If you look at the AfD entries for the student articles, they will likely all be deleted very soon. It is only the notable entries, such as those who meet WP:PROF, which are likely to last. --StuffOfInterest 14:27, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- I like the box and think it is fine as is, but could somebody link to similar tragedy boxes to better illustrate that this a more standard sort of thing? MCalamari 14:31, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- I don't think this box will be ultimately be necessary, once the main page matures and gets better laid out, but we'll see Epson291 15:09, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- I like the box and think it is fine as is, but could somebody link to similar tragedy boxes to better illustrate that this a more standard sort of thing? MCalamari 14:31, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Though I support retaining the template itself, I question the inclusion of this section of the template no matter what you call it, or the template's inclusion in this or any of the other bio articles of otherwise notable people who died in the shootings. Within the bio articles, it is unbalancing, placing far too much emphasis on the manner of their deaths, as if the rest of their lives was a mere footnote to their deaths -- very tasteless, too. The fact that they died in the shootings is already included in those articles, & Wikipedia users interested in the bios of otherwise notable victims can find these articles by way of the List of victims article, where they are all wikilinked. --Yksin 18:06, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- The victims part needs to go. There were 32 victims. Listing only those deemed notable by Wikipedia is inherently POV and misleading. --Elliskev 12:54, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Map image[edit]
I'd like to propose dropping the map image out of this template. It just takes up more space than justified. --StuffOfInterest 16:15, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- Il' support that, if more articles are added. For now, removing it will make the temp rather tiny --TheFEARgod (Ч) 16:35, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- see also: Template:Katrina, Template:2004 tsunami--TheFEARgod (Ч) 16:38, 19 April 2007 (UTC), so the size doesn't matter --TheFEARgod (Ч) 16:38, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- I can see it either way. My concern right now is that the image takes up almost as much vertical space as all the text content. Also, that particular graphic was one of the complaint items at TfD. Guess we'll see what develops. --StuffOfInterest 16:41, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I will try not to turn this into a revert war, but i don't think her link she but kept. Given that the template itself is already under question... adding links to articles who are probable for deletion seems foolish. -- Jimmi Hugh 19:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- That was my reasoning for not putting her in in the first place, but someone else chose to. When the link goes red, it will only take a second to drop back out so I'm not concerned either way. --StuffOfInterest 19:55, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- But the link won't go red. It will be redirected and stay blue... The correct action, which has already been done, is to take out the victim names altogether. With redirects, you could have them all there, but that would be misleading as some would redirect to anchors back in the parent article, rather than separate articles. Just the main articles should appear on the template, as in this version. Carcharoth 16:31, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
"Media Inaccuracy"[edit]
In my opinion, that link should be changed from "Media Inaccuracy" to "Inaccurate Reports". At first glance, the term "Media Inaccuracy" suggests that the media as a whole has been inaccurate, whereas the article itself is more of a review of inaccurate reports. --Bletch 12:26, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
- Slight tweak should have dealt with that - it now reads "Media inacuracies". Carcharoth 14:07, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure why this irks so many people, but I do think that it needs to be reformatted.
Instead of the extant design, I think it needs to be a non-intrustive navbox at the bottom, such as:
The sidebar style is usually reserved for huge topics, like Quantum mechanics or Esperanto. I think a navbox that lies low, like the Beethoven one above, would attract fewer deletionist agendas. ALTON .ıl 03:06, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- I tend to like this design. I've never been overly sure the template needs a map included. Something like this would take up about the least amount of vertical scroll space. --StuffOfInterest 11:17, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- As one with both a deletionist agenda and a horrifying, secret love for crufty navboxes, I can tell you exactly why the Virginia Tech massacre navbox irks people. There is a feeling that, once the excitement of the chase wears thin and Wikipedians start treating this subject like encyclopediasts rather than scoop-hungry journalists, the "story" will collapse into two articles: one on the perpetrator, one on the act perpetrated (see Marc Lépine and the École Polytechnique massacre for a foreshadowing of the eventual intellectual fate of Seung-Hui Cho and the last, desperate act of his terminal frustration with his fellow human beings).
- Two articles, plus a link to the institution where the dastardly act occurred (Lépine merits one whole sentence at the end of the article for the École Polytechnique de Montréal) would hardly justify a navigational template. It would simply be seen as a self-indulgent and unjustifiable waste of space whose function could have been easily handled by in-article links, and that assessment would probably be right.
- The present form of the navbox is not really the problem. A map plus categories of links is not necessarily inappropriate in all contexts if it's done right. Here is a navbox I put together for University of California-related articles a week or two ago:
- Note the use of a map and several categories of links. However, all of the links have some sort of permanence as to their Wikipedian notability that one honestly can't say is possessed by a lot of the satellite articles that spin wildly about the Virginia Tech massacre. Also, the map in the UC navbox is actually useful in figuring out where a lot of the links' widely-distributed subjects are physically located. The VT-massacre template's map, on the other hand, points out one precise location (if you can really call a big, red dot covering 150 square miles or so of Virginian countryside "precise") that most news junkies already know by heart and which, if a reader is unfamiliar with Virginian geography, is just one click away in the Blacksburg, Virginia, article.
- If you truly want to put together a navbox with lasting significance and which won't be continually rubbished by self-righteous deletionists, I would not bother with one specifically dedicated to the VT massacre. Instead, I would put together a box on school shootings, shooting sprees, or some other categorized topic that really does have enough stable articles to justify creating a navbox and can sustain demand for one. My 2¢, plus a quarter or two. --Dynaflow 04:18, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I hope none of those comments were made with any cutting sarcasm. I certainly meant no offense on your behalf, and I apologize if you received my comment in that manner. Furthermore, I am neither endorsing nor expunging this template (see struck comment). But as it were, there is no consensus either way, and it will most likely stay. If it survives, I think it would serve a great function for this event only because it is a hot event that many readers looking for centralized content would want to know about. I, personally, don't consider this a critical issue, but you definitely should reiterate that argument on a more visible page.
On a brief digression, I solicit your excellent template skills for determining whether {{UCLA}} should be redone. It seems to me slightly larger and less picturesque than the others, which are solely your creations. ALTON .ıl 04:44, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- No sarcasm was meant; I am entirely serious on why I dislike the very idea of a VT-massacre template. See my comment towards the bottom of UCLA's Talk page for why I haven't redone that one yet. --Dynaflow 04:50, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Victim article redux[edit]
Now that the TfD has ended, how about readressing the inclusion of victim articles? It seems pretty much a conclusion that any student articles will go, but several of the professor articles have already survived AfD. The biggeset debate ongoing right now seems to be over non-professor teachers. If we can find an appropriate title to use, such as "Victims (with articles)", should these article links be included in the template? --StuffOfInterest 11:21, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Nikki Giovanni and Lucinda Roy[edit]
I'm very confused as to the implication of these individuals' involvement in the massacre. Both Giovanni and Roy taught Cho, the perpetrator, and Giovanni spoke at the ceremony. Both are highly regarded English faculty members at VT. However, they are neither victims nor perpetrators. Categorizing them under "people" amongst victims and the individual who committed the crime seems highly out of place; it implies that they had a larger part to play other than doing their jobs, speaking to the media after the incident, and giving a speech. I suggest they be removed from the template, or be classified under a different section. "People" is far too broad. María (habla conmigo) 01:29, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- Hi, your comment was left in the wrong place. The template you are commenting on is actually Template talk:Virginia Tech massacre 1. Unfortunately, that template was pointing to this talk page for a while. --StuffOfInterest 12:29, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Rekindle of 'Notable' Victims Discussion[edit]
I state this not as a member of the VT community, as I am not, nor did I personally know any of the victims, though I do know people who did know victims.
I don't have any issue with the box linking to victims who have Wiki pages. Nor do I think every victim meets the requirements of having his/her own article. However, I strongly believe that using the term 'Notable Victims' is wrong. To those of us who frequent Wikipedia, it makes perfect sense. 'Notable' is a term commonly used within the community to describe something as being article-worthy. However, take a step outside of the Wikipedia community, and read it as an individual without any familiarity to the project's policies & terms may read it. To only state that "These 5 people are the notable victims" comes off as saying "These 5 people who died meant something, these others were not really noteworthy". Yes, if you read the entire article, you know that no one of the lives lost was any less tragic than another.
Is Emily Hilsher not notable?
Did Ryan Clark not ever make a difference in someones life?
How about Matt La Porte?
Or Erin Peterson?
What did Leslie Sherman not do to make her loss of less note than anyone else?
What makes those 5 randomly selected names "Not Notable"? No, they don't have the notability for their own Wikipedia Article. But in this template, 5 individuals are prominently elevated as being "Notable".
The box is useful, and the 5 links should remain. However, I simply urge for a simple change in title to something that would not be found offensive to someone who isn't familiar with Wikipedia's terminology, because I guarantee you there's plenty of people connected to these "Non-notable" victims that feel they are every bit as notable as any of the others.Coastalsteve984 (talk) 22:47, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
- Do you have an alternative proposal besides just "Victims", which makes it sound like every single victim should be listed? --Cybercobra (talk) 23:08, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
- I made one suggestion which was reverted, "Victims with Wikipedia Articles" - I recognize this is a bit long, but it didn't widen the box too much. Perhaps do a "Victims with [br] Wikipedia Articles"... I'm open to suggestions as well. Coastalsteve984 (talk) 17:14, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
- Suggestion: User:Coastalsteve984/VTTest Possible solution? Coastalsteve984 (talk) 17:23, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
- I find that unacceptable per Wikipedia:Avoid self-references. --Cybercobra (talk) 19:45, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
- OK, fair enough. Can't say I agree with the rule in this case but there's alot of rules I don't agree with, hah! How about a suggestion? Do you disagree with my reasoning or just don't care enough to offer something up? I'm thinking something maybe involving the word "Selected" ... or maybe trying to find a way to put all 32 names in, with these ones with articles being larger with links and the rest being smaller and not linked. Or how about just "Individual Victim Articles" ... I'm trying to think of something but suggestions would be welcome and appreciated. Coastalsteve984 (talk) 02:23, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
- I just don't care enough. "Selected" would work IMO. --Cybercobra (talk) 02:43, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
- "Selected" will make the reader wonder what selection criteria were applied. --Lambiam 01:45, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
- I just don't care enough. "Selected" would work IMO. --Cybercobra (talk) 02:43, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
- OK, fair enough. Can't say I agree with the rule in this case but there's alot of rules I don't agree with, hah! How about a suggestion? Do you disagree with my reasoning or just don't care enough to offer something up? I'm thinking something maybe involving the word "Selected" ... or maybe trying to find a way to put all 32 names in, with these ones with articles being larger with links and the rest being smaller and not linked. Or how about just "Individual Victim Articles" ... I'm trying to think of something but suggestions would be welcome and appreciated. Coastalsteve984 (talk) 02:23, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
- I made one suggestion which was reverted, "Victims with Wikipedia Articles" - I recognize this is a bit long, but it didn't widen the box too much. Perhaps do a "Victims with [br] Wikipedia Articles"... I'm open to suggestions as well. Coastalsteve984 (talk) 17:14, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
What about Instructors Killed? The people on the list are precisely the victims who were instructors (most of whom, by the way, are not notable by dint of WP:PROF, unlike what is suggested above). --Lambiam 01:46, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
I have removed the "victims" links citing WP:NOTAMEMORIAL as well as WP:UNDUE. While the shooting is a tragedy in every sense, Wikipedia is not the place to memorialize any one person or group of people. I do not believe that this template should exist, but will not contest it if its used as an informational/academic device to point Readers at other related articles. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 16:08, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
- And I will revert you again. The template's usefulness is lessened by your removals; its primary purpose is to provide links to other, related articles. WP:NOTAMEMORIAL specifically prohibits creating memorials that don't have related articles; these are links to related articles, not a list of victims. Removing the links to the articles about the victims that have them is counterproductive, at best. You've reduced the template to three links, hardly useful. The discussion above isn't ambiguous about having the links, only what to name them. You are proposing a controversial edit; the onus is on you to get consensus to make it. The template has already survived one deletion attempt, by the way.—D'Ranged 1 VTalk 17:11, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
- Update: I've changed the template to emphasize its function as a link to related articles. Only articles containing the template are listed, just as in other navboxes. No "identifiers"—such as "Victims", or "Perpetrator"—are included. I kept the piped versions of the article names for the Media Coverage and Timeline, as the actual article names are so long they would require two lines or widen the box unnecessarily. As an aside, I went through the articles yesterday that were using the box and removed it from those where it didn't belong, notably Lucinda Roy and Charles Steger.—D'Ranged 1 VTalk 17:34, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
The Navbox lists main articles and also links to the Category for the main article, its hardly non-useful. The Sept 11 vertical template that it was copied from was deleted in favor of a horizontal template, so perhaps we should follow suit. Obviously there are people who wish added emphasis be placed on this event, but Wikipedia is not the place to do it or memorialize the victims. Please do not add back the links for individuals, these people are already mentioned in the main article. Any additional emphasis is WP:UNDUE and violates WP:NOTAMEMORIAL. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 16:36, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
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Scalhotrod Contrary to your edit summary for your most recent reversion, any contested edit requires discussion and/or consensus (see WP:Consensus). My position is that your interpretation of the policy is incorrect, therefore, the edit is incorrect. That makes it controversial, requiring discussion and consensus. Your edits have reverted previous consensus to include links to the articles in an attempt to create a new consensus to delete those links. It is, therefore, your responsibility to seek consensus. Please stop deleting the links. There is very little point in having the template if it can't function as the navbox it was designed to be. Please seek consensus (perhaps even an WP:RFC) before making any further changes. Thank you.—D'Ranged 1 VTalk 16:45, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
- Please think about this for a moment: What Wikipedia policy would prohibit including links to existing articles in a navbox? WP:Undue is primarily concerned with article text; a mere link to an existing article hardly qualifies.—D'Ranged 1 VTalk 16:56, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
- Your interpretation of policy makes nothing controversial, its your personal interpretation of the content and subject matter that does that. Whether its agreed upon by other neutral parties remains to be seen. As for its function, are you claiming that it has some purpose other than to be informational when you say "function as the navbox it was designed to be"? As for an RfC, I welcome it. You seem to lack detachment from this subject and would appreciate additional neutral comment. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 16:57, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
- Additionally, WP:Memorial is concerned with creating articles for non-notable people who have died. Since the articles exist, they do not violate WP:Memorial, nor do links to them. As I have said numerous times, if you feel more consensus is needed, it is up to you to obtain it.—D'Ranged 1 VTalk 17:01, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
- My comment about functioning as the "navbox it was designed to be" was to emphasize that navboxes function as a collection of links to related articles. My objection is to your removing valid links to related articles. I don't see the template as having any other function. As for detachment, I'm trying to rescue a valid template from being rendered less useful; it has nothing to do with the topic or any other aspect of the template.—D'Ranged 1 VTalk 17:10, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Picking apart my comments make them no less poignant. You are asserting that these people should be included in a Navbox that is to highlight a "series of articles on the Virginia Tech massacre" because they are notable, but your logic conflicts with itself. They are notable in their own right and thus have their own articles, that makes their relation to the shooting coincidental unless you are asserting that the creation of their articles (and Notability) was because they are shooting victims? Which is it? The only logical way they should be included in the Navbox is if the intention behind their articles was to further explain or note some aspect of the incident, but none of the articles do that. Their Wikilinks in the body of the article should suffice, but you choose to highlight these people in a special template, why? --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 19:46, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
- I think you have a different definition of "poignant" than I do. You also are interpreting WP:Undue in a new and different way; that requires consensus. (You again used it as a reason for your removal of the links to specific articles at Virginia Tech massacre; however, what you replaced the links with was an improvement. Having the links there didn't violate WP:Undue.) The logic behind including the articles in the navbox is that the massacre was an event; the listed articles all are connected to the event. The articles for people are for victims of, or participants in, the event itself. There's nothing contradictory about my logic.(Update for most recent edit.) I have added Goddard's article to the list of links; he is an injured survivor, therefore, a participant. Again, the logic I'm employing doesn't warrant including Lucinda Roy or Charles Steger in the links, nor should this template be on their article pages. (It isn't currently.) Thanks!—D'Ranged 1 VTalk 19:20, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
- First, here is how I understand WP:UNDUE
- "Undue weight can be given in several ways, including, but not limited to, depth of detail, quantity of text, prominence of placement, and juxtaposition of statements." If you think this do not apply to Navboxes, then I'm ready to make a formal accusation of you trying to WP:GAMING game the system and subvert the intention of WP:NOTAMEMORIAL.
- Here's how I am applying WP:UNDUE
- First off, you've placed the links to individuals above the links to informational articles, Media and the Timeline. In fact you switched the placement giving the victim names more prominence over the original version [1].
- Second, the "victims" label has been taken away so that the perpetrator is listed equally with the victims. I had changed the linked to read a generic "perpetrator", but you have switched it back to specifically his name without explanation or context in the Navbox.
- Third, the sheer existence of this template gives "extra quantity of text" and "prominence of placement" for specific victims and the perpetrator in the article.
- The logic I am applying does not include ANY names because they are already linked in the body of the article and mentioned in their proper context. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 21:13, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
- I took the "victims" label away to reduce the links to articles about people and articles about the event overall—I felt that was a more balanced approach, in keeping with WP:NPOV.
- The links are in alphabetical order; the articles about people happened to fall before the Media coverage and Timeline articles. I don't particularly care if the order is reversed, with the articles about individuals coming after the other two; I think alphabetical order for the articles about people is the best way to list them.
- If you feel that the template needs subheadings to separate the articles, I could see using "Killed", "Injured", and "Perpetrator" as subheads, with perhaps "Additional information" for the other two articles.
- I think that having a link that says "Perpetrator" flies in the face of proper encyclopedic usage; he has a name; he is not solely a perpetrator of a horrendous crime, just as the other people listed are not solely survivors or victims.
- I still think you're applying WP:Undue differently than it is intended to be applied. It is specifically speaking about article text in terms of quantity of text, etc., so, yes, I don't feel it's appropriate to apply it to navboxes in general. If it were a different kind of navbox that needed to include links to articles with opposing points of view, then WP:Undue would apply. (A navbox linking articles dealing with opposite sides of an issue such as gun control/gun rights, for example.) It's not that kind of navbox; there aren't opposing points of view being explained in the linked articles.
- Further, I'm not at all clear as to how providing links to related articles gives anything undue weight. What, exactly, is being disproportionately mentioned? Articles link to related articles all the time in Wikipedia; in fact, it's encouraged, and without links to other articles, the articles are considered "orphans". What is it about these links that upsets you so? You seem to be fine with the links being in the article text (or maybe even a "See also" section); why does a navbox create such a problem? What point of view, exactly, is given "undue weight" by use of the navbox? That is the crux of WP:Undue—giving one point of view more weight than another, opposite point of view. We're not dealing with opposing points of view here; the policy isn't applicable.
- Omitting the articles about people and only including the two informational articles rather defeats the purpose of having a navbox to provide quick access to related articles. Yes, they could be linked in the text. Yes, they could be listed in the "See also" section of each article. Having a navbox makes it much easier to ensure that all the relevant links are in all the related articles, instead of editing nine different articles and adding eight or nine articles to a "See also" section in each.
- As for your "formal accusation", I'm not gaming anything; I still don't see how WP:Memorial applies. Again, that policy is written with regard to article text and creating articles about non-notable people who have died.
- I think you should initiate an RFC for further comments from other sources; I think we've both said about as much as we can say.—D'Ranged 1 VTalk 12:13, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
- First, here is how I understand WP:UNDUE
Fair enough, based on what you stated above, it seems that a new deletion discussion should be started. And if you believe that the Navbox solves a potential orphan issue with the targeted articles, then perhaps a deletion discussion needs to be revisited for those articles as well. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 18:08, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
- I wasn't referring to the linked articles when I spoke of orphans; it was a general comment. I also think a deletion discussion is premature; there's a big difference between a deletion discussion and an RFC. Please visit RFC and follow the instructions to create an RFC for the template. Thanks!—D'Ranged 1 VTalk 09:50, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Virginia Tech massacre → Template:Virginia Tech shooting – The article has been renamed; this template, the navbar, and the category should also be renamed 126.96.36.199 (talk) 08:17, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
- Support per the consensus found at the parent article.--Yaksar (let's chat) 22:51, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
- Support I see no reason why the article and the template should be at different titles and since there was a recent consensus at the article talkpage to use shooting over massacre it should be the template moved to match the article.--22.214.171.124 (talk) 21:34, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
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