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,What's the best rifle for survival? This is a highly debated question and one that usually stirs up some pretty heated debate. While there's no "perfect" survival rifle, I think the .22 rifle is probably one of the best survival guns that you can own.
The perfect survival rifle is often the topic of heated conversations between survivalists; and while I'm sure I'm going to get some comments that totally disagree with what I'm about to say, there are a number of reasons that a .22 should be at the top of your list of guns.
- The .22LR Rifle is one of the most affordable weapons in the world. For me, it's all about getting the biggest bang for your buck; the .22 allows you to do just that. If you're on a strict budget, the ability to buy multiple rifles, instead of one that might fail with time, just makes more sense.
- The .22 Long Rifle ammo is the most common type of ammunition in the world. It's super cheap, widely available, and can be used in both rifles and pistols. If you're low on cash and need to stock up on ammo, this is a good type of rifle to start out with.
- It has a low recoil and can be fired by just about anyone.
- They are great for hunting small to mid-size game, and with the right shot you can take down just about anything. In fact, I have talked to a number of people who use a .22 bolt action rifle as their main hunting weapon. Many of them, because they have the skills to do so, routinely take down big game with it.
Which .22 Rifle Should you Buy?
There are a lot of really good rifles out there, but if I can only choose one, it should be the Ruger 10/22 and here's why:
- The Ruger 10/22 is probably the most popular rifle on the market. If the SHTF, having this gun could come in handy if you have to barter for parts. It's going to be a lot easier to find parts for guns that are popular.
- It's also an easy gun to work on. If your gun breaks, you not only want one that is easy to find parts for but one that will be easy to put back together.
- There Cheap. For under $200 you can buy a brand new Ruger. I suggest buying a couple, that way you can swap parts in an emergency.
- Because of their popularity, there's a huge aftermarket. It's very easy to find extra magazines, add-ons, and scopes specifically made for the Ruger. One Caveat here is that some of the aftermarket clips are complete garbage and made with crappy plastic parts so make sure you do your research.
128 Comments on The Best Survival Rifle – Ruger 10/22
The perfect survival rifle really depends on your situation. For the most part you are right. A .22 can get you a loooong way with practice. And ammo is ridiculously cheap. But for SHTF survival., I would still prefer something with a little more stopping power. I have SEEN .22's bounce off the bones sometimes. When you hunt with it and don't make the perfect shot, you lost dinner. And maybe let somebody in the area know where you where and perhaps wont be able to take a second shot. I gone through a few rifles and MY preference is the ar 15. I know theres alot of people who believe differently but again, MY preference. The ammo cost is decent. Recoil is manageable. Has the stopping power to take down decent size game. And contrary to popular belief, is very reliable. I own a Smith and Wesson M&P 15 (there is a .22 version of it as well). And not a single jam after about 1000 rounds (bulk order). And if it ever came to the point of getting in a fire fight with somebody (god forbid) i know they will stay down when they get hit. And There are so many parts and scopes and whatnot for it.
P.S. I tried so many of those home made/ improvised silencers and so far no luck on either .22 or AR
incase anybody was wondering.
10/22 gd choice. However less moving parts meabs less things to break. Single shot.like rossi youth model more reliable !
Absolutely agree. The Ruger 10/22 made my list of top 3 weapons every prepper needs a while back. The other two were a Remington 870 shotgun and a Marlin 30-30. With those three weapons you have a pretty diverse way to provide food on the table.
This of course doesn't really consider operational security. That's another topic altogether.
I was thinking about adding a Remington 870 Tactical to my gear…. probably going to look at them this week.
Good choice. BTW, love your articles
What about the Remington 887?
After SHTF I would not want human predators to hear me shooting.
re CCI 22 CB Longs
Survival Guns by Mel Tappan
page 177 quote " In a barrel of 22″ or longer the CB cap is almost totally silent. At a distance of 8 feet from the muzzle of my 24″ Anschutz, the sound level from firing was only 9 db, and at 15 feet was totally inaudible. Not only does this lack of noise make the CCI long CB caps desireable for indoor or backyard target practice, it makes them virtually a necessity for survival use should you ever need to do some shooting without attracting attention or alarming game in the neighborhood."
The Remington subsonic 22LR round has three times the impact, but is little louder than the CB.
The .22 Long Rifle: one of our oldest calibers continuously improves.
Guns Magazine, March, 2005 by Charles E. Petty
Tossing "Rocks" – Shooting Subsonic .22s
You make some good points. My choice of which .22 is a bit different than yours, however. My Marlin 39A Mountie is my choice for best .22 rifle for survival, barely edging out my Marlin 81 bolt action. The 81 with its 24″ barrel is substantially quieter with Remington and Aguila subsonic ammo, though. And unlike the 10/22 I used to have, it actually stabilizes the heavy-bullet Aguila SSS.
The 22LR is more effective than we realized.
If you're going to get an 870 …..hurry. Tactical shotguns are a pretty "hot" item at the moment. Everyone wants one. I tried getting a Mossberg 590 unsuccessfully a month ago. I did get one, not exactly the way I wanted it, but had to take what the distributor had in stock in order to get it. As for a survival rifle…whatever the person is comfortable with . I have a 10/22 that belonged to my father. I'm not comfortable with it and would use it only if I had to. I grew up with .22 bolt action rifles and used M 14's and M16's in the military, qualified several hundred hours on the .22 as a member of an NRA Rifle club as a teenager.Qualified on both the "14" and the "16" in the military, but nothing, but nothing equals the stopping power of a 7.62 to me. My opinion based on experience as a police officer, soldier, and hunter. Curious item: The Army once did a medical study, an Army pathologist once told me, on the damage an AK round will do to the human body. The study was based on actual battle wounds from Vietnam. It said the damage was awesome and gruesome. I guess the real issue is a definition of the word "survival weapon" . Only the individual can define what it means, then decide what is required for his or her own survival scenerio.
All too often, people over look the .22. I used to hunt with one all the time when I was younger. I couldn't find anywhere else on the site a mention of learning to shoot a bow. In a true SHTF situation, I would never fire a gun unless absolutely necessary because of the noise factor. With a bow, I can shoot at prey all day and noone would know where I was. While it's true that I'm limited to around 100 yards, I can inflict a LOT of damage with no indication of where I'm at. In addition to this, in most cases I can go pick up my arrow and reuse it countless times. Just something to think about :)
Nothing wrong with that thinking but if you knock your guy down with the fire arm first shot you can pump in a few more no matter how loud. Indian style would scare the poo out of the baddest of the bad boys ,can just see them around a camp fire an a swish out of no where rolls one into the hot coals with a shower of embers, oh what fun :)
This is a very valid point, one I have not considered b4, thank you
How does the noise of your bow releasing an arrow compare to a 22″ barrel rifle firing a CCI 22 CB Long?
Survival Guns by Mel Tappan
page 177 quote " In a barrel of 22″ or longer the CB cap is almost totally silent. At a distance of 8 feet from the muzzle of my 24″ Anschutz, the sound level from firing was only 9 db, and at 15 feet was totally inaudible.
PS Please see the fourth comment on this page re
22LR subsonic ammo.
Agreed with the Ruger 10/22. Here is a good article on survival accessories for the rifle http://survivalcache.com/10-22-accessories-ruger/
Actually if you are using a longbow or crossbow it is nearly inaudible. The difference between that and a subsonic .22 round is power. If you slow down a .22 bullet to the point of silence it has much less power than an arrow or bolt. If silence is key, go primitive. If what you want is faster shooting, go modern.
what up dude
For the sustainability factor, i think a bow would be the way to go. Personally i prefer a recurve but they all work pretty well. With a gun eventually your going to run out of ammo, even if you can make your own rounds. You can just whittle/resuse arrows, with limited range and rate of fire of course.
A gun would be useful in self defense and maybe hunting if you really cant bag anything with a bow. But in the case of hunting wouldnt you want a longer range, powerful rifle? Maybe a Remington SPS Tactical? .308 is fairly common and pretty accurate. And a handgun would be good for self defense. Just my thoughts.
For personal protection and most big game purposes, a good a 12-guage pump from a reputable manufacturer is the way to go. But for general purpose hunting of small game, and some big game, the 22 is the most useful tool you can have. 50 rounds fit into your pocket very easily and the cost factor is neglegible. As for me, my 22 of preference is a Henry lever action youth model. It will shoot whatever brand of 22 is available from CB cap to Stinger ammo. It can also be broken down for easy carry in a backpack and ready for use fairly quickly if needed. I agree that the 10/22 is a great 22 but it must be kept clean and it will only shoot CB caps or snake shot one at a time. As for a pistol, my Taurus 9-shot revolver will also shoot any ammo is also easily carried in a side pocket of the backpack or as a side arm. I feel good using either with confidence and accuracy.
LOVE the web site jus found it today! As for the bow vs the.22 both are tools and each serve a purpose. I think the bow has much more power then the.22 i.e. deer hunters don't use .22s. Both can be deadly and efficient when in the right hands. I think the most important thing with what ever weapon you decide to claim is your SHFT weapon is to: be extremely comfortable with it, be able to use it with great accuracy, and practice makes perfect.
I've read your page time and time again it's the bomb. Any time you can learn something it's worth it.. Everyone talks about this gun that rifle the dependability of a fire arm. Knowing that all thing that move will wear out. Leaving out conflict or fire fight with the human spices.For this i would prefer my colt 1911 or my rem.700 bolt action My 30 some odd years of hunting and survival in general.the one fire if I had to depend on would be my hawken's 50 cal. I've fired it off thousands of time and with a little smithing knowledge I have manufacture my own springs clip screws I can produce my own projectiles flint or chert not hard to come by if you know where to look .As with powder it's easily made from your surroundings BUT as the little old man that thought me how stated DON'T make it in large amounts it's dangerous.No need to barter for parts or ammo ..Being total self sufficient is what survival is all about THE MORE YOU KNOW THE LESS YOU HAVE TO CARRY…
bow vs 22? i would vote for bow because of its versatility.most modern bows can change the draw weight this mean that you can hunt everything from squirrel to bear with relative ease
I have to shake my head everytime this type of discussion comes up. My credentials speak for themselves in this case: Engineer, former factory trained gunsmith for multiple manufacturers (including Ruger), highly trained and practicing survivalist, just to name a few. I am constantly seeing people comment that this or that make and model firearm is the ideal survival arm. Well there simply is no such thing. As each specific set of circumstances are different, so are the firearms that will best fill them. The .22LR has one advantage large volumeof rounds in minimal weight and thats it. NO rimfire is 100% ideal and absolutely NO semi auto is a best choice. A break action single shot or a bolt action single shot are the best choices action wise due to absolute simplicity and minimal parts count. A break action single shot.22 can be made in as few as 12 parts: 2 springs,firing pin, a trigger,hammer, extractor, barrel, receiver, buttstock and 3 screws. With the exception of the barrel, every part can be made by hand, without power tools INCLUDING the receiver. Granted the receiver wont be easy but it can be done (and was in the past by manufacturers). This is a lot less complicated than any semiauto out there, so to say that parts availability makes a good point in a survival firearm, is like saying a baboon makes a good watch dog… it CAN but it just isnt the best choice. Next a single shot is startling so you choose your shots and make them count. Taking more than one is where you will draw attention or scare game away. IF defense is an issue no .22 rimfire is an option and plays into tne next reason why not to choose a rimfire to begin with. You do not know what game you will be taking so do not risk an under powered round, go center fire. BUT dont go overboard,,, stick with the main reasons you would for choosing the .22lr to begin with Large volume of rounds minimal space. Best choice allowing for small game up to medium size game (deer)? The .22 Hornet. Just slightly larger than a .22 magnum but substantially better performance. Greater reliability in ignition, better bullets than the .22lr… and available in the same actions as the best choices for a .22lr survival rifle. Prior to the electronic lcation era for military aircraft this was the round chosen by the US military for their survival firearms in their aircraft (an o/u .410/.22hornet) Springfield Armory made a civillian version for a while and if you can get a hold of one, THAT is your best bet as the closest thing to an IDEAL survival firearm.
I agree. A semi-automatic is the worst weapon for survival. Too many things can go wrong. Nothing beats a rock solid bolt action like a CZ452 or 455 or a single shot. 22LR wins hands down. It may not be the Rambo man stopper but what people fail to consider is mass of the ammo, price and the fact that it has no recoil. i.e. a 22lr rifle can be extremely accurate in a survival situation. Also without medical facilities who is going to risk getting shot with one. The bullet has a nasty habit of bouncing around inside you. i.e. the attacker will die. I don't think any survival list is complete without a good air rifle. Can store huge amounts of ammo and you definitely won't go hungry. You not going to be out in the woods all day shooting deer every time you hungry. The most pletiful game is small game and air rifles excel in this dept and make no noise and of course you can buy thousands of rounds for few Dollars. As for bartering 10/22 parts, OMG!! the first person you walk up to to barter is going to ram your 10/22 where the sun doesn't shine. LOL. Final point. Stay away from telescopic sights. Stick with open iron or a good williams peep.
Scott, I totally agree with you about the Springfield, it is a wonderful and handy gun to have in one's collection. I got lucky three years ago, when the grandfather of a close friend gave me a lovingly cared for Springfield M6 Scout .22 Hornet/410GA, as a present for my 50th birthday (he had three). I quickly familiarized myself with this treasure, at the range and on hunting/camping trips with my sons (21, 18 & 11yrs). But in the case of a SHTF situation, I also have two Henry's, a .45/70 Lever Action Rifle, and an AR-7 .22LR Rifle, a Mossberg 3 in 1 Pump Action 12 GA500 12M/28MC/18CB, one pair each of Glock Game Warden Model 22 .49 S&W Semi-Auto Pistols, and S&W .50 500SW Mag's, and my "piece de resistance", a Barrett M82A1 .50BMG Semi-Auto Sniper 50 Rifle, plus day/night scopes for all of them. If that is not enough, I have three dogs, a German Shepherd/Alaskan Husky mix, a Pitbull/Boxer mix, and a Chocolate Labrador Retriever. I have had them since they were about two months old, and though they are friendly around people, they are trained hunting/ guard dogs, and they have and will protected my family and I. On hunts, they work together like a wolf pack. Though it's been hard, over the years I have stocked up on spare parts for my weapons, along with ammo and gun maintenance gear, and taken the time to learn how to repair them. I have also taken the time to teach my sons the same, along with proper gun etiquette, and they have used all the weapons in the field, and at the gun range, except for my youngest, who is not ready to handle the Barrett and the Henry .45/70. I always store my ammo in their appropriate cans, after I have vacuum sealed them along with silica packets. This method of has not ever failed me, and my guns are only removed from their individual cases, when I use them or for maintenance, and they are always, always locked in a gun safe.
i like 22lr i own a bolt action rimfire i could not ask for more,and the bullets are affordable too.but a bow i like them but i wold lose arrows real fast they are hard to find if you do a long shot.
I bought a crossbow. Modern Bows/Crossbows are the WORST thing you can buy. Not sure where to begin. Crossbows are simply to heavy, too unwieldy, the arrows are very expensive and unless you hit a nice big fat juicy target you can write them off. If you injured or weak forget about cocking a crossbow or firing a decent bow. Compound bows are even worse!! Unless you are a bowyer and can recite all 4 volumes of the bowyers bible (i.e you can make one from scrath with pocket knife) forget about bows. Wasted $600 thinking a crossbow was the perfect survival weapon!
what the best survival shotgun?
pump 20 gauge and slugs…………
To mean SHTF means just that. No super markets, no gas, no running water and your next door neighbour is deciding if you should be in a stew or on the BBQ. On that definition asking about shotgun is really friiging dumb. I just purchased 5000 rounds or Federal 22LR Game shok. The box weighed in at around 20 Kgs (40 pounds). I could carry about 300 22Lr on me without too much trouble. (the rest to be vacuum packed and hidden) How many shotgun shells can you carry? How much noise will you make firing one? You would be shot dead with a 22LR well outside your effective range.
Agreed. : ) Just hoping I will only need my .22 for wabbit's ! ; )
Bolt action all the way. Simplicity, reliability under all weather conditions, accuracy.
Remington Model 7. Fixed 2.5x scope. 7mm-08.
Take down any bad guy (urban shtf) or game (wilderness shtf) up to black bear in a NY minute. Utterly reliable.
And give me a collapsible fishing rod. F*** squirrels and rabbits and the Ruger 10/22.
I agree with everything you have said. If i were to hunt small game, all I need is a freezer, a stick and a pond full of frogs, and start clubbing them dead! I do not know why any one would choose any thing smaller than a .223. The .223 itself is a tiny piece of ****. So is the .22, and the 5.56. As for the Bow and Arrow, always an option if your target is stationary, or you want to get mauled. Go for a 12 gauge that can switch barrels from a slug gun to modified choke, and a rifle at least .30 cal or larger. **** the .22 and every one who has made it popular.
P.S. I know someone who was drunk, crashed in a ditch and clubbed frogs to survive, and cooked them over a fire he started with McDonald's wrappers! He did this without much effort. It all depends on where you are. The .22 is a waste of time. It has tons of ammo, it is extremely reliable, But in my opinion it is the least versatile firearm in the history of mankind. A ****ing nailgun can do more damage than a .22. so can you're bare hands, a stick, a knife, a sword, a pen, a pencil, or anything that can stab, or claw at you. The .22 is the biggest waste of time that any firearms manufacturer has ever participated in making. I every ounce of sweat, and brass, and powder, and lead, and copper, etc. was use to make 7.62's and even .223's and scopes, We would be able to buy high caliber rifles cheap, high quality scopes cheap, and even ammo for said guns cheap. If you think the opposite of me you are a sap and think that .22 can take down an elephant. The .22 sucks diddly squat and should be all of them in existence should be melted down to make guns that actually make a clean, humane, manly kill like a gun should. .22's are the most inhumane firearms in the world. For every big game animal or person you shoot with a .22, they will suffer 5 or more bullets bouncing around grinding their insides before they are even close to dieing. If you want to give anything a slow and painful death, choose a .22 you cruel savage, but if you have balls, guts, or anything good in you're heart don't let even robbers suffer that way, and choose a gun that kills fast and accurately. If you think that just a bunch of bull, go ahead, everyone of you with a .22 that has shot anyone with a .22 is not a man. No one should suffer a .22 I'd rather get shot by a tank than a ***ch **s .22. And I would be happy. the .22 is not a people killer in any half **sed sense of that phrase. Don't buy .22's in any manner as self defense, or small game, a stick, a freezer, a pond full of frogs, or a cheap air rifle, are all you need for small game.
You are a fool…you want ot get shot in the face with a worthless .22? I do very well with a nicely set up Ruger 10-22. I am also guessing you have no clue what you are doing. Nice to have a larger caliber?…you bet…problem is you don't have any idea about survival…deer? Who cares! This isn't the old west mountain era. If we have to survive today with no power, what are you going to do with a whole deer…barter for smaller pieces? I'll barter with ya…shoot ya with a .22 i the face and take what I need and leave the rest…a 22 and a shotgun will be best when shtf in an urban area…will I need a larger caliber…yeah…but with my .22 I 'll just take that away from the incompetent fool that thinks he wins because his gun is bigger…oh…bring on your bare hands tough guy…I could put plenty of holes in those with my wimpy .22
hahaha he told you , i agree i just got into the 10-22 game , and have a big history of shooting and have 15 different firearms ( i collect ) but if shtf your going to want to be on the move , anyone static in a house is asking to be runover and belive me i have 5,000 rounds of different AMMO in my house from .22 -9mm-.40sw-.45acp – 12gauge at some point somone will try and run you over and take your shit so being on the move is key , i personaly would take my .40 xd my .22 10-22 , and my shotgun , all can fit in one backpack case with ammo and would do everything i need i would carry my pistol for immediate deffence , shotgun also and hunt with my .22 because without a refrigerator i wouldnt want anything as big as a deer , and with my family all carrying there weight in packs n ammo we would survive .22 ammo equals lots of ammo equals long time usage and food every night , and i promise u if needed my friend a .22 would kill a human , not first choice but if i shot you in the throat with 1 or 10 .22 rounds , you would no longer be a threat , and i could do it from 100 yards plus before you knew i was there
A 22 rifle will help you obtain food and may prevent you from being eliminated.There are many military survival manuals out there for 5$ or less that can that can describe in detail best possible survival scenarios to keep you alive.Never engage an adversary unless you know your life is in absolute jeapordy.My belief is that a 22 rifle is the most portable and resonably silent weapon you can have with you.Always keep in mind the most effective weapon you have is setting right on your shoulders.
hey professional hit men use .22 please go find one thanks and tell him that
damn right they do…. when i think 'tactical' im thinking 10/22. take out a light giving your cover away, shoot that dog that wont shut up when your hiding from whatever. i can put each one of those ten rounds under your fingernails for you. that, to me, is dangerous. best weapons in my opinion….10/22 for every day and tactical use, my sr40 for close quarter self defense… and my 7.62×39 sks for when shit really hits the fan and i need a haymaker. i always thought a bow would be the way to go but i actually had an internet revelation reading above on the impracticalities of them. and if youre to the point of having to use your shotgun…in my mind your already dead. why do people even own them?
A book I read awhile back (true story) said even the MOSSAD used silenced 22 pistols.
Luke you are an idiot and a fool.you should really do some research before you open your mouth and rant like the dumbass you are.
good god was an ignorant rant….I would definitely keep a couple of .22's in the inventory despite what this blowhard spews…lol
Dear Mr… Luke,
Thank you for your excellent endorsement of .22 firearms. When you wrote, ".22′s are the most inhumane firearms in the world. For every big game animal or person you shoot with a .22, they will suffer 5 or more bullets bouncing around grinding their insides before they are even close to dieing. If you want to give anything a slow and painful death, choose a .22 you cruel savage", it struck a deep and primal chord in me.
It's good to know that even a person who firmly believes BIGGER is better recognizes the dangerous potential of a tiny little gun. If you would also kindly recognize that, without antibiotics, doctors, or at least somebody else to hunt, protect, and carry away your turds for you while you recover from infection (a slow and painful process I can assure you from personal experience), you are as good as dead from even a single decent shot in the scenario discussed in these comments.
Once you recognize that fact, you may also make the leap to the conclusion that anybody cruel and savage enough to own a .22 does so precisely because he or she can afford to use five rounds to your one, and afford enough guns to arm his or her family for the price of one of yours. What cruel, cruel, pragmatic savages these people be.
So, your comment has given me hope that even somebody who loves big guns will turn the other way when he or she hears the pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, of a .22. And my very first firearm purchase will be a .22 rifle.
Thanks so much.
I have numerous guns but if forced to choose three would go for a .22. Compact as possible to fit in a back pack. Taurus tracker. 22 with 6″" heavy barrel so as to shoot shorts, long rifle etc with a sturdy 2x scope. Or a Henry survival or Marlin Papoose rifle with takedown capability. A pump action 12ga shotgun. These can be had cheaply and are versatile. Lastly a 30/30 lever gun. I'm partial to the stainless ones offered by Marlin and Rossi. This being said I recommend the addition of two combat designated magazine fed arms. A glock pistol in 9mm(or. 40SW second) and a combat rifle in .308 or. 223. Heavily used police and military calibers. This can provide an edge above survival guns into the combat zone to meet the firepower of potential marauders.
Personally I'd have a sks cheap rugged reliable with the stopping power of a 7.62 screw a ar15
I agree with part of your description of the sks.It is cheap and rugged,and with out a doubt reliable as long as your using the factory magazine.After market 10-20-30 round mags will not enhance the effectiveness of the gun,it will create a very unsatisfactory stuation for you.Oh,and by the way.This is not a 308! Buy a survival manual.
If/When SHTF does occur in our area (Midwest) there are some "who will the intruders be?" considerations. There are an incresing number of SOTB (South Of The Border) people in our area. I have some "lesser" (but with awareness)concern for my neighbors but realize that roving bands of the SOTBs is MORE of a possibility. The more middle or affluent neighborhoods will be first hit by looters looking for food, supplies, etc. The SOTBs have no affiliation with the families and homes that will be victimized. We are not "anti-SOTB" but are cognizant of such probablity.
Do not try to hold down a fortress.You are better off on the move.You should be aware thet you should have your gear and supplies with you and and you should be gone before the lootong and skirmishes begin.Your home will be your coffin if you don't leave it,so educate youself on survival methods of obtaining food and shelter.Fortify your mind if you really want to live.
Part of survival is having allies in your own neighborhood. People who will work together and defend each other against attacks. This takes planning and agreement w/o causing paranoia and suspicion. Just how to do this is a big step.
22 or bow? As an experienced hunter using both, both have advantages and problems.
At close range, in the hands of someone who knows what he's doing, a 22 can take down a full grown bear. (notice that I said someone who knows what he's doing) The same is true with a bow.
22s use bullets, bows use arrows. the advantage of a bow is that you can learn to make arrows from tree branches, reeds, etc.
I've never seen a reloaded 22. since they are rim fire and the primer is inside the casing, I'm not sure how one would reload a 22 cartridge.
As for bows, arrows break and get lost so you should learn how to make arrows if you go the bow route. Learning to make bowstrings could come in handy too.
22s make a lot of noise. Not as mush as the big calibers do but they do attract attention. A single shot rifle would be my choice if only because the reload and fire time is long enough to encourage better aiming and conserves ammo.
I grew up with a single shot 22 and could hit a rabbit at well over a hundred yards with open sights. with that rifle, one rarely got a second shot.
I guess for hunting, either would be adequate, assuming a certain level of competency. For pure survival, I'll take my HK USP Expert in .45 ACP or a 12 gauge pump shotgun.
I seen an ad from inside track its a fly rod and a 22. I grew up in the mountains. Fly fishing is easy 22 will kill some big with a shot to the head as well as small game. Not a bad deal since it fits in my bob. With any weapon I use gun or bow deadly eith both acurracy and comfortabili and familiarity with them are important.
I just want to prepare myself for the worst. To buy a gun, that you take with you and hope if you run out of bullets someone will have the same kind.
In a survival situation for hunting small game for dinner a .22 is essential. I agree that a semi auto is NOT the way to go. If you need to eat use it! I have an older Marlin 82 bolt action that will shoot 22s, long or shorts for silence. If someone wants what you have, and they will, a 22 will not have the penetrating power you need for protection. In this case I prefer to carry a very known reliable higher caliber pistol such as a Sig,Smith, etc..at least a 9mm. Personally I have a Sig .40. Believe it or not if you can't protect yourself, your family or belongings why bother? That is why I also have a Colt AR carbine in 5.56/.223. To Kaw liga6064 you are crazy. The 7.62 is too heavy to carry if you need to really supply yourself. Also, I'd put my AR up against your European or Chinese SKS STAMPED receiver any day. It has been proven over and over again that my AR is waaaay more accurate than the SKS any day. You might have a little more stopping power but I will hit a man size target at 300yds any day of the week. God forbid if I have to but if its you or any of us it's gonna be you. Think I'm crazy…but I will have all 3 guns with about 500 rounds of .22, 100 rounds of .40 and 200 rounds of .223, plus all the gear WE need to survive for as long as it takes. If there are more than one of you, which there usually are, you can split up the rifle carring duties…ammo also. SKS…NO WAY. Protection and fire making are the two best parts of bugging out. of course if you have the foresight to prepair, you will have several packs with many other types of survival gear.
One more thing about your comment york…if you think it is a survival situation desperate people will shoot you and take your gun before they give you any ammo! Take enough for yourself. If you had a choice to take ONLY one gun take the .22 in a bolt action…not single(to long to reload) not semi(too complicated and harder to fix if jams). A thousand rounds will fit into a sandwich bag! So get yourself a good ammo pouch and put 1-2000 rounds in it. If you want to be prepaired…find several good friends/family members and REALLY prepair…and hope you prepaired for nothing!
Survival Weapon – does that mean hunting for game in a rural area or defending a home against a mob in a suburban one?
In either case, a 10/22 is a great tool. A light, accurate, reliable weapon that fires cheap, light ammo. A 22 will keep heads down in a firefight and one shot of .22 will drop a person if well aimed – no question. But I wouldn't want to be in a firefight with a single shot .22 – with that caliber a semi is essential.
As for a bow – yeah – knowing how to make bows and arrows after you run out of ammo would be useful – better have a good knife so you can do that.
As for bigger caliber – definitely an advantage but heavy. At short range nothing beats a 12 gauge. For carry, anything over 9mm is fine. For long range I'll take a 308 – but given weight of weapon and ammo, noise, and what you are likely to encounter – a 9mm pistol with a 10/22 or 9mm carbine seems a reasonable combo – light, easy to carry, simple, and functional. An AR can be accurate out to 500 yards too so also useful.
totally agree. if your carrying a heavy pack, food clothes, tools, and plan on being mobile a big cartridge is too heavy you will never carry enough ammo to last long. Also, its not likely that big game like deer are going to be running around everywhere. more likely are birds dogs cats rabbits etc.
Thank you Jim and Tune you both make valid points. Looks I need to make note what I need to do to survive. Making a bow, I will need to learn how to do well. I just don't want to buy something that in the long run I can't fix or have enough money to buy bullets. I want something that the bullets can fit in other weapons i.e. a bow or this posible. Do I need to make my own ?
I've taken care of people shot with a .22, and to say it is not a defensive option is stupid. By far, there are better choices, but you can put holes in people as fast with a 10/22 as you can with an AR or other semi auto. I would also add the sectional density of a .22 solid is relatively high, and it will penetrate quite adequately from a rifle. It will of course not cause cavitary wounding or expand reliably.
Big game? Shoot it over and over, it's not the best choice but it will do.
Small game? A bigger gun will destroy it, and small outnumbers the large game by far.
I would prefer the 10/22 to any bolt and to any single shot. The ability to shoot again just makes it more versatile.
I agree with the OP. it is not perfect, but if I only had one choice, this would be it.
Add BX 25 magazines, a few spare parts and a bore snake, add a supressor or tech sights.
For the ultimate compact version, a ruger charger dropped into a folding stock (nfa) would be a pretty handy variant.
The good news is we don't have to settle on just one rifle if we prepare now.
I have hunted all my life.. If there was one gun I had to have would be a 10 22 Ruger…second choice a bolt action 22. Carry enough bullets in a suitcase to shoot for years…only choice 22LR
I have been thinking about this for over a year. I am 50, not a kid. And after much thought and a few dollars decided on the following for my Bug out situation and would like all of your thoughts. My long gun of choice is a RRA 6.8 coyote. Big enough, yet small enough for 2 leg or 4 leg situation. Ammo is expensive as hell. So only used for specific needs in the field. My Kimber procarry as main defense. And my Ruger mark 3 bull barrel 22 for every thing else. With this decision, the mark3 can take all small game (maybe larger) is light weight with lots of rounds. Dependable as all get out. And can be used as a defense gun if needed to back up the 45acp. The 6.8 will take care of anything else long range. And have enough knock down for any size game with good placement. And the 45 is what it is. The best short range gun of choice. If they all break, I will have or make a bow. Conclusion: One long gun, two pistols that can do everything needed in a pinch. All of your thoughts please.
I like it. This makes the most sense. Any long range dependable rifle. I would choose 308 bolt action, a 22 and 45 hand gun and you are pretty set.
I'll take my old Mossberg 20 gauge slugster, Ruger 10/22 and Kimber TLE II into the apocalypse any day. I can shoot a Zombie in the head at 75 yards, kill what i need to eat, and defend what I have with all three of those choices…and all of you goombahs who poo-poo the .22 as a defensive weapon are morons.
Reminton 870, .40 SA XD, Ruger10/22. I got 'em. Its's the only way to go. (300 mix 00 buck, BBB—800 .40 cal—3000 22lr.)
Reminton 870, .40 SA XD, Ruger10/22. I got 'em. Its's the only way to go. (300 mix 00 buck, BBB—800 .40 cal—3000 22lr.) In September–an AR 15!
FYI anyone considering using a bow, while a good idea, keep in mind that unless u have the ability to make metal arrows, and modern bow will shatter home made wooden arrows because of the power of the draw strings.
Well really i would think you would have to consider what type of bow your using, a compound bow obviously, if it has a high draw weight. But if your using a homemade bow made of PVC pipe i would think not so much. As for the cheaper/less complicated bows, like a straight up long/short bow or a recurve, im not to sure. I think that, depending on the draw weight, you could use wooden arrows. Just my thoughts though.
A recurve or long bow at 55 lbs will shoot homemade arrows all day, go find some cane poles or make some from hickory limbs or walk into a store and take some dowl rods etc.
Plenty of morons on this one.
The silent kill BS, .22 shorts CBs are useless, no penetration at all so what if they are quiet so is a wrist rocket with a .30 cal steel ball and prolly the same damage.
22lr is a completely different story, get a box of CCI stinger jhp and find an old truck. Cap as many as you want thru the cab, 9 out of 10 are coming out the back side. That folks is penetration.
36 gr jacketed hollow point at 1500+ fps is plenty of fire power.
As for hunting an idiot who has been around the woods in hunting season knows you here large calibers for miles where as Ive shot my 22lr in the back yard and people in the house not heard it over the tv. In a pinch tape a 2lt bottle over the barrel and people in the next room might not hear it.
As for the 10/22 it will be one of the most common after SHTF and happens to be a very easy gun to work on. Which in most cases won't be a concern because it is also one of the most reliable semi autos ever built any where.
Then there is this aspect which surprisingly no one has mentioned http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udqDe_QfOF0
and http://www.modernsurvivalonline.com/Files/weapons/fullauto/Ruger%2010-22%20Select%20Fire%20Full%20Auto%20Conversion.pdf
An other note about a previous comment, .22lr often don't break bones, yeah that is true, the don't stop on it either the bounce and cause some seriously nasty wounds. Something a true survivalist should consider is using this to their advantage. Body armor, Go for the Head shot? No hit them in the pelvis with some semi auto .22lr and most times the bullet will turn north and end up in the chest if it doesn't exit near the neck.
Repairs, if your a prepper you can buy 12 of these for the price of an AR15 so its not unreasonable to expect you to have some spare parts.
For those that treat survival like everything else and it has to be the biggest baddest don't be surprised when a smart mother F with a 10/22 eats your dinner and enjoys your $1500 AR.
too funny, wish i could post a pick of my lower half jaw that was blasted off by a 22…13 surgeries in, yeah,i just brushed that pea shooter off like nothing.
A 10/22 is a great weapon and I also own one, but I also own an Ar-15, M1A and other survival weapons with plenty of Ammo. If all you have is a 10/22, after my year of stored food runs out, I will take your 10/22 away from you and anything else I want!
Actually, you probably won't. After a year, I am sure someone else would get there first.
If the person with the 10/22 see's you first the M1A/Ar-15 doesn't matter. Lets get real here, a buddy of mine shot a dog with a .177 pellet rifle to get it out of his shed, the dog bled to death in under 15 seconds. He was shocked he never thought that could of happened in a million years. Bullet placement is always gonna be more important than power. If someone shoots you from a 100 yards standing back in their top floor bedroom your never going in that house, Period. I don't care if you're Jon Rambo. Plus even if you did live from the shot more than a couple minutes good luck surviving more than a couple days in a real SHTF situation with no doctors to fix what the bullet tore up/fight infection.
What I have is:
Mossberg 590 / Glock 9mm / 30/30 / Couple of 22's.
But really, all I need is the 590 and a bottle of ketchup. The game will run out fast so the ketchup will help with the next meal ya get with the 590. "Hello neighbor!"
Everyone needs a modern air rifle for small game,practice ect.1000fps or more..
Agreed, but make that either nitro piston or variable pump. Spring piston can lose strength after a while and co2 could be a pain to find. Make it a .22 cal with atleast 600 fps, if .177 go 900 fps or more basically atleast 12 lbs or more and you should be fine with small game out to 30 yards and more if more powerful.
The military has worked throught this issue over the years and has apparently come to the conclusion that lighter weight ammo is important because solders can carry more of it. Also if cost is an issue you can get a savage bolt action .223 from wally world for $300 and 500 rounds of ammo from sportsman's guide for $120.
I shoot a .308, 870, and .22. I also hunt with a recurve. Know the limitations of whatever tools you have and become proficient in their use. Everything has its pros and cons.
Wow. Such hate for the .22LR around here, yet none of the haters are willing to stand at the business end of the gun and take a round.
Need help! I am a mom of 3. My husband recently passed and I want my boys to learn how to handle a gun. I am looking for an easy rifle to teach my boys (8 and 6) how to shoot. My daughter shoots occasionally but she would benefit from practice. My entire family owns guns but I have never felt the desire. I shot with my brother, for my first time this weekend, and actually enjoyed it. I'm not looking to take down any game or survival just learning. I shot a .22, .410, and some kind of Rueger pistol. I liked all 3 as they had barely and recoil. Would these (minus pistol) be a good firearm to teach kids? I don't want a bruise the next day from a .12 gauge! Thanks!
Sorry for your lose. Look at the various Ruger 10/22 rifles. Your kids will love shooting them, as will you. Take care.
KC:what's your location. I live in Utah and am a qualified instructor. If you were interested, when I take the wife and kids out to shoot: you and yours are more than welcome to tag along and learn the basics. We shoot AR15s, various handguns, shotguns, .22 rifles and bows. The more the merrier!
As tragic as is was didn't hinkley use a 22 and cause a lot of damage in the attempt on pres. Reagan?
I own a Ruger 10/22 Compact. I seem to have misplaced the original 10 round clip. But was wondering, will this rifle fire BOTH .22 & .22LR ammo? I have not fired it since I was a kid and have forgotten. thanks
I recently purchased a 10/22 and I had the same question regarding which ammo was acceptable. I contacted Sturm-Ruger and was told to use ONLY .22LR ammo in it. Enjoy good shooting with it!
I would choose an AR-7, because it's a .22 (obviously), it can be dissassembled and stored in the stock (so you can store it in a backpack or duffel bag), it weighs 2.5 lbs., and it floats in water (so if you drop it in a river by accident, you won't lose it underwater), unlike other rifles which can sink in water. When I go hunting, I plan on using an AR-7 (or AR-7 varient) rifle.
i agree the ruger 10/22 is a great gun but the 17 hmr is better in my opinion
I am an old man and have enjoyed reading the reasoning that has gone into your decisions for the choices you have made. In my situation, I have come to the conclusion my best course of action is to escape and evade. My choice of weapons consists of a Ruger 10/22 takedown model I recently purchased after trading my cz 452 because of its limited firepower,,,,a Ruger GP100 stainless 357 magnum and a SW 2213 stainless 22 as a backup. Many think a 357 is not enough gun for bear etc. but my ammunition selection is Heavy loaded Cor Bon, and Extreme Shock Fangface. If you are not familiar with the Extreme Shock ammunition it might be worth your time to look up their site. You will see examples of 450 lb Russian boars shot with a 32 sw,,,one shot kills with a 9 mm, 38 spl. etc. It is a very wicked round that will take out a nervous system very effectively. On their site you will see also a sub sonic 308 that opens an entry channel into gelatin 7 inches in diameter. On the 22, I have a Nikon SBC bullet compensating scope and it makes a 22 with that scope a 300 yd gun instead of a 50-100 yd. I hit 12 inch target at 300 yds every night that I practice. Nikon has software indicating the sight point at different yardages that is right on the money. Its free, Spot On technology. I figured if you had to set a course and walk a thousand miles without being detected, how much ammunition can you carry. I can't carry 500 rds of 223,,,can carry 4000 rds though of 22. As far as knives go, I use a Glock and will be getting the best, a Bussee. Although I have had some training in survival in the military,,,, My biggest problem, is crossing streams and rivers. Came to the conclusion a small company out of Alaska,,,Alpaca rafts would be the best, one model 4.5 lbs. Sure enjoyed reading all the posts and the thinking that went into them…best of luck to all of you….I'm not asking anyone to agree with my selection, its what I use and I respect what you use.
In my state, Arizona, we have some of the loosest gun laws in the country, but you are FORBIDDEN to hunt any game bigger than waterfowl with a 22lr. It is excellent for small game, but as considered by many including our state game department, inappopriate to use on a larger animal for a number of reasons.
Umm we are talking survival and you are worried about state gun laws? You can easily take most game with a 22LR if you are a reasonable shot. Thats all you need to know. The reason for that law was because idiots were taking pot shots with their 22 at everything that moves and wounding animals.
Any feedback on the Henry 22survival rifle?
Barrel is somewhat fragile.It floats loaded and also floats when parts in buttstock.Only seen 7 round mags.It is LIGHT weight!Great if going to hang around water.Otherwise I would get sturdier 10/22 or marlin.
for survival hunting situation, .22 lr is the most versatile i think for me. You can carry a lot of ammo with you without much weight.you can take even big games butyou just have to use more ammo for a humane kill.then you will get to live longer because you have a lot of ammunition with you to hunt with when moving and evading. But in a survival scenario there will always be bad people with guns ready to attck and take what you have and this is where the big back up guns come in.
Wow. So many people are not going to survive! As for bows. Don't make me laugh. Modern bows are more technical than guns. You can't simply fashion an arrow and shoot it in a modern crossbow or compound bow. Crossbows are extremely bulky and quite heavy and it takes forever to load and shoot. (I have an Excalibur recurve) How you going to shoot a bow if you are injured or weak? If you miss and hit the dirt or a rock you might as well throw the arrow away. Bows are medium to large game weapons. The most plentiful game is small game. So is your survival situation a weekend or months maybe years? Semi automatic and lever action? LOL Both complicated and therefore prone to breakage. Nope. Single or bolt is the only option. Finally ammo. If you had to choose only one it's 22LR. It's really a no brainer. You can easily carry hundreds of rounds quite capable of killing most prey. Try that with a shotgun or a 308! Also 22LR is fairly quiet and light and can be easily silenced if need be. (I would urge you to get a proper silencer) If you thinking survival; you have to consider there are no stores, no electricity, no gun smiths and that the most plentiful game on the planet is small game. Now if you have a family I would recommend you consider a good light compact rifle (bolt action) maybe 223. This is not the survival weapon. It's the give to your wife or son weapon when you go out hunting. The general idea with this weapon is you don't carry anywhere near as much ammo as the survival weapon and if it's 223 it's highly likely you can scavenge military ammo along the way.(modern bolts can safely fire nato 223). It should be a compact rifle. You may need long range backup when you make contact with other "humans".
I partly agree with your comment. But lets get really super real. Bring any 22 you want bolt/semi/lever/single shot because if your using that as your primary source of food getting you're in trouble. My advice learn to trap and snare, how much time you think you will have to go hunting for food? A snare/trap you can trap small to large game fish etc etc. Indian fish traps work great in low rivers. Also learn what plants are edible/medicinal for the area you are in. I personally have a large family, 4 kids and a wife so if I went and shot 2 squirrels they would still be hungry. But if I shot 2 squirrels my trap/snare netted me a rabbit and my wife and kids picked some edible plants we could have a meal.
I like my Sig522
I agree the 22LR is all you need for your survival needs and for a hand gun a 9mm or 38 are two ammo that will be easier to find.
Yes the Ruger 10/22 can be a very useful weapon for survival, against mob attacks, I would use the CCI stinger ammo with this weapon, if I were looking for a wilderness survival weapon, I would like the Rossi matched pair, .22LR and .410 shotgun, or if I could find one a Savage over and under .22LR over .410 or 20 gauge !Another good survival weapon that is relatively cheap is the Hipoint carbine, 9MM, .40 or .45ACP, an excellent self-defence weapon especially for individuals who live in areas where owning a handgun is rather difficult because of local laws, and a weapon that shoots a bullet larger than a .22 is more disired !
Well, where to start.. I have a large family 6 all together. So I figured everyone will carry a gun if SHTF, So I have elected a .22lr Savage bolt, .22lr henry lever, 10/22 (so many lr's just incase one goes down and easy to shot and easy to carry ammo), a Benjamin .22 model variable pump pellet rifle (I have killed so many squirrel/rabbit/dove with this gun and can fit enough ammo in a dip can to live for yrs.), 270 bolt action (incase there are any large game still around), a Winchester 12g Model 1300 speedpump for gettin out of dodge/protection, takedown recurve bow with different tips from blunt for small game to 125 grain fixed broad head for larger game. 3 kids will hold the 3 22's with 550 rounds each, 1 kid will hold the .22 pellet with 2 dip can sized holders holding over 1500 rounds. wife with the 270 and 100 round in pack, me with 12 guage shotty and 50 round of buckshot, and take down recurve in pack with 20 arrows. Also will have most importantly a fixed blade knife for each member, snare wire/piano string, fire strikers (5), 2 bottles of antibiotics and aspirin, conibear traps,6 wool blankets rolled up, axes, rat traps, first aid kits, book of edible/medicinal plants of north america (with good pictures), 6 canteens w/stainless steel cups on bottom and water filters and sharpening stones. Split up between 6 people that makes for 40 lb packs (including guns/ammo). Light enough to be carried for miles in the Smokey mountains.
That is some decent prep, kudos to you for being so well thought out. Having a family to protect (as I do) is daunting but imperative. Prepare the best you can and do the best with what you prepared with.
Well I saw this and decided too add my 2 cents, the 22 in any set up can be a effective weapon but just like with any other weapon practice is the key. Where it be a 556 a 9 or a 50if you miss then u are in deep dodo. Personally in my bug out kit is a mp5a5 for medium targets a armalite are 30 to reach out and say hello and a river charger for small game and usp 45 for short ranged defence but I'm a large gentleman so I understand a lot of people don't carry that mutch weight so just go with what u are comfortable with that way u can take care of itself and your familyand remember the only difference between a idea and accomplishment is discipline
Interesting that some many diverse opinions arrive at some of the same guns…
I have Ruger 10/22, a Springfield XD in SW.40, and Remington 700 in 30-06. All have their uses for hunting and defense. In open terrain a 10/22 is not useful for defense, neither is a shotgun. And against bigger game a larger cartridge is needed. This is my opinion. Some would substitute a good battle rifle instead. But I like the 10/22 for hunting small game.
People,If I had to pick a gun to get me out of town then it would be an AK,They do not care whether you drag the thru, swamps,forrest,deserts,mountains, or simply batter the piss out of them,I have a son in the 101st Airborne,many M-4's are malfunctioning in the sand piles.BUT once I get to where I need to go,Screw the AK,To live off the land a .22 is needed,If not you are hosed,remember ounces equal pounds and pounds equal pain, I can carry more .22 ammo that anyone else can carry assualt weapon ammo,The .22 round killed more people in the United states than any other round, FBI crime statistics,
Lot's of good stuff, good prep work cost money though, and unless you are really able to spend a bunch of cash right now you need to work within your means and buy the stuff you really need. Every person on your team/family needs to have the same pack out.
Ruger 10-22's, Browning Buckmark .22's for side arm, and at least 1000 rounds per person, more if you can carry it. (3) combat proven knives per person. But the most important things I have not seen posted are the things you will really need…..seeds,fishing line and circle hooks (not just for fishin'),550 cord,vac-pac tuna, meds, water sources (you'll die if you fail here)and maps of the area's you will be in. Topos,and sealed/waterproofed, proper foot gear and clothes for your AO, waterproof bags in your rucks make great floats too, at least three 120's and beeners,and you must know and teach everyone how to make fire, snares, fish traps, and limb lines (Which means you must be near water, and near means near not on or beside it.
Your Med bag must be capable of minor surgical,antibiotics and pain meds, fail here and again you will die. Fighting skills both unarmed and knife sets are worth the time and energy to start now, not later. Knowledge of shelter, camo, concealment, evasion, must be taught and shared with everyone. Once you are where you are going, ditch the vehicle,conceal if possible and then become what you are ….an Infantryman…..a walking soldier…..if you plan on lasting through it, it ain't just about your guns,its about attitude and preparedness. Can your eleven year old make it without you, if not you are failing already. Training can be fun, but everyone needs the skill sets required, not just Papa. Like your site…..ya'll get to your training!
Most of the small game I take is with a Benjamin 392, 22 cal. pellet rifle, and I don't even have to leave my back yard. I live in a developement, so the Benji is perfect, cause it's quiet! The pellets they make for these air rifles is incredible, as they now make them much more useful for dispatching small game. Don't get me wrong! I love my rimfires, centerfires, shotguns, and bows, but that little multi-pump airgun has done more to feed my family than any other tool I own. If I didn't have the pellet gun, I would use the bow, but this is for survival purposes only. The shotgun is used for home protection, and the handgun for self protection.
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Some interesting comments. There is no perfect solution or perfect gun combo since we really do not know what will occur. My current thoughts are to go with the Browning Semi-auto 22LR (SA22), Browning Buckmark Camper pistol (.22LR) as back-up should the SA22 fail, and a Ruger SP101 4″ barrel DA/SA revolver chambered for 357/38.
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I would choose an AR-7, because it's a .22 (obviously), it can be dissassembled and stored in the stock (so you can store it in a backpack or duffel bag), it weighs 2.5 lbs., and it floats in water (so if you drop it in a river by accident, you won't lose it underwater), unlike other rifles which can sink in water. When I go hunting, I plan on using an AR-7 (or AR-7 varient) rifle.
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22lr is good allow around gun.Small game getter.SemiAuto sure.My 10/22 will also fire single round.Noise ?the subsonic fired from derringer was noisy.Noy as bad in 10/22 but in bolt action only heard impact in 10/22 heard some from ejecting round.snares are good.Harbor freight has squirrel traps like $6. BB good for paper targets unable to kill squirrel/rat/or quail with one.Pellet diffrent story!Bow and arrow take LONG practice.Native Americans adopted cartridgge arms as soon as they could.Those small crossbows will shoot godd distance but have buried many abolt underground an d the prong/crossarms tend to bend out of shape quickly.Get a 22lr first then anyother gun you can afford.
Hhhmmn! Lot of comments with a lot of opinion without a lot of facts. If your opinion is different, so be it. But to justify your OPINION without any fact based information to cite and back up what you say, and just declare that you are right suggests a lack of critical thinking skills and/or any exposure to other/new information and experience. There is also a lot of conjecture as to why something is a good choice and something else isn't based on either outdated information, wives tales or just plain ignorance. That leaves a lot of places to begin and many paths to go down. So here goes.
Not to put words in the OP's mouth but I think, and he can certainly correct me here if need be, but perhaps a better way of looking at what his point is, would be "if you could have only ONE rifle" what would it be? THAT question should be able to be answered without any significant angst if one considers logic and the maximum amount of utility from the least amount of resources in one object. Also while the OP didn't say so it was sort of implied that you would be in a defined geological location, particularly if there was some place to barter. In any event that is the premise I am using, that you are in your BOL area. If you are the romantic, lone, determined survivor and going to live off the land as you go…good luck with that. (Not saying u can't do that but it is not an ideal sit. and certainly not for extended periods, and most people that think that are under 40, even 30). One of the first premises that is just wrong is that semi-automatics are too complicated for survival use. Funny, the survival rifle for the fly boys of (insert favorite service branch here), that need them, is the AR-7,and it has been since the 60's. First, the 10/22 is THE semi-automatic gold standard for .22 rimfire…period. Any one that shoots on any of the circuits that use .22LR rifles in competition use 10/22s. Have never see ANY other brand, must be a reason. The lifespan of a semi-auto is measured in 10s of thousands of rounds through the action and you will never shoot out the barrel. Bolt actions, pups and break opens have a life span measured in thousands of rounds at best as the cycling of the bolt, pump or break open action "loosens and wears" with each cycle…ever open an old break open anything (pistol, shotgun or rifle) and notice how loose they were? How many rounds do you think went through it. Those weapons aren't made for 100K rounds and the mfgers know that people won't use them that way. Semi-autos are made for the traffic and designed appropriately. Why 10/22 and not others? Well you can certainly find cheaper semi-auto rifles. Marlin, Savage etc. The first rule of gunfighting is have a gun. It isn't so much that I'm knocking the other guns but extolling the virtues of how much better the 10/22 is for the defined mission. All things being equal, and there was ONLY one 10/22 and of each of the other brands, it doesn't matter. But that isn't the case. Some companies will not sell certain repair parts to people that aren't gunsmiths certified to repair their guns. You can buy everything for the 10/22 except the receiver and everything is user repairable without the need of a gunsmith. The trigger group is modular, the iron sights are upgradable and replaceable, the barrel can be replaced with a screw driver, the bolt is replaceable. These can all be replaced by the end user. Try that with Marlin or Savage. I own them, but only as barter items. There are more after market items made for the 10/22 than all the other .22 rifles combined! More to come.
So, what good is a 10/22 when you can have something bigger/better(?)? Just carry a .22 pistol and a "real" rifle. Well, just sticking to ONE gun, the 10/22 is VERY accurate, allows plenty of rapid fire and gives you a real 100 yd standoff range, whereas a pistol (of any NOMINAL caliber) is not a 100 yd weapon. A pistol is for fighting your way to a rifle, just sayin'. You can really carry a thousand rounds of .22LR. Try that with center fire ammo!!! Big difference. I can shoot a dime sized group at 25 METERS (83 ft) on the Appleseed course of fire with the Tech Sights iron sights (M-16ish sights for the 10/22). A squirrel head at 50 yds is more than doable and a body shot should be a slam dunk IF you know how to shoot properly. The .22LR has taken ALL game animals on the N. American continent. Now that doesn't mean is should be tried, particularly for brown (grizzly) bears. If you have to shoot a large animal you shoot from
"eye to opposite ear" or vice versa. Shoot an elk through the left eye and imagine you are trying to hit just behind the right ear. Ear to eye will work but is not as sure of a shot. I personally wouldn't shoot a brown bear unless I was going to die in the next day or two from starvation. IMHO! I spent the better part of 4 decades in the military and I can't envision carrying three long guns or two long guns and a pistol, WITH AMMO, and all the other crap in a BOB. Scopes. If you are over 45, I don't have to explain it. For the rest of you, first, the scope gives you an advantage, even at 100yds, over someone with iron sights. Yeah, they break…buy two. For the rest of us we NEED the scope to optimize our utility of the rifle. Can I hunt without a scope, yes but it might mean the diff between 4 rabbits or 2. If you aren't 45, IT'S COMING and you'll understand. I have a number of ARs. Pulled them out and was looking iron sights and when I got to the 16 inchers…couldn't see the front sights. Sent them (uppers) to my sons and bought either full length uppers or Dissipator uppers (Google)and I can see the iron front sights, but will still use an optic. More to come.
Last random thoughts. Is the 10/22 THE perfect gun? No. If you could have only one, is it perfect then? As far as the most amount of utility, with the least amount of complications I think the OP is dead on and it is THE "preferred" ONE rifle, IMHO. My only caveat to this is if I were in a vast tundra/savannah environment with 300 yd shots and even then I would have to think about it. There were some thoughtful people here. Bows, air rifles and other thoughts are certainly thinking outside the box. I have a cross bow as well as a German .22 air rifle, and they have their place. I am in my BOL, so I don't have to carry them around. For ammo, I would use standard velocity 40gr .22LR ammo. Good penetration with the least amount of noise. Also, if you have the budget for it, you can buy a suppressor (silencer, if your state allows them)and use a scope to hunt with and standard velocity ammo. It will run about $600-700 including the tax stamp. Some states even allow them for hunting now. You have to use std velocity for it to work properly. You will not hear it more than 50-75 yds away (not really like the movies). While I wouldn't tell you to not get high capacity magazines as you might need some, you get what you pay for, don't be cheap. The standard 10 round Ruger mags are NO FAIL. Think about having a long mag sticking out of the bottom of your 10/22 and falling down and snapping it off inside your rifle!!!!! If you have a bolt, a trigger group, spare sights/scope, small bolt parts and plenty of ammo and mags you are good to go for a VERY LONG while. I suggest at least 10 mags for EACH mag fed firearm and 5-10K rounds of .22LR, though my storage requirements are somewhat higher! Also with practice and experience any malfunction you have that ISN'T a broken gun can be cleared quickly with practice and attention to detail. Hope I wasn't too overbearing, as the name of the game is quality, no BS, information. God has blessed me with a very "interesting" life and I do think it is my "duty" to share what I've seen and done, if it will help someone. Done more than I can remember sometimes. I look forward to the NEXT 62 years. Be well.
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Just get something you're satisfied with… I like the 22lr and have an AR-7 and an H&R nine shot revolver that will leave lots of room for rounds and other gear in a moderate sized backpack. Hey, I'm getting old and don't want to carry a lot of crap.
For those of you thinking of a bow. Best wishes. I've shot long bows, recurves and compounds. The only bow you can fashion a fresh, accurate arrow for in the wild is either a long bow (presumably you'll be making the bow also…) at about 25-30 [lb] draw weight. Then fletchings and some sort of an arrowhead to promote bleed out…. just too much!
Learn to shoot well, take two bricks of 22lr's and you can eat to your heart's content in the wild for at least 3-5 years. Even at today's ridiculous prices of $.10 a round in a brick of 500, two bricks will set you back $100. Shit, my liquor bill per month is more than that…. drink half portions for two months and get a couple of bricks and good gun. Heck, I'd take my old Winchester single shot if need be, it's light and I have regularly taken squirrels at 75-100 [yd] /w iron sights. Well, there's my dime on the matter. Used to be two cents, but inflation gets everything!
Sorry about the semi-automatic haters… go back in time, and take a look at the Remington Nylon 66. Check out the reliability, operating conditions, 14-shot internal capacity and weight. Perhaps the old saw, "they don't make them like they used to" is correct.
Note how many were sold… and they are still available. I have an AR-15, AK-47, et. al. If I had to run out in the middle of the night with a weapon, I would take the Nylon 66 and a box of 500 .22 LR cartridges in my jacket pocket.
Just my choice, but I have been there…Korea, Viet Nam and places we were not even supposed to be.
Ok so I have a ruger 10/22. I don't know if its a ruger 10/22 magnum…does anyone know how to tell them apart?
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I go with .22. I also have a single shot 20ga with slugs and shot. I'm going cheap. I think some guys fantasize about the shtf scenario and think they'll be Rambo vs. The world. If it's that way, it doesn't matter what you have you're going down. I think walking a round toting a military style weapon would make you a target for those afraid as well as opportunists. You will have more power if you have a large community of people than a large personal arsenal. I'm not saying you shouldn't have automatics, etc., just that they aren't going to be as important as some think. It won't play out like movies. Besides, what are you going to achieve running around? At best, you'll last a few years starving and miserable. Best bet is an organized community. Always has been since the beginning of time. So if you're planning on shtf, maybe it's more important to get your community(whatever your definition of that is) together with an action plan than have a backpack full of ammo and three weapons.
A 22 would be a decent choice IF I had My LRB m25 7.62 Nato, My Glock 9mm and Plenty of ammo for all 3!… If i HAD to chose 1 then my m25 is it. 1 shot, 1 kill .. 300 yards away? no problem.. 500 yards away and your still in a heap of trouble.. anything past that and ill run away..
For me the best survival cartridge is 22LR because, as others noted, little critters are far more numerous than big'ns. I have seen many 22LR's bounce off the skulls of cows in survival school, but bigger rounds will destroy a squirrel. And I want people to find me in a survival situation. For SHTF my choice is oriented toward self defense: a lever carbine and a revolver, both in .357 Magnum. The food is already in the backpack.
While the 10/22 is a great 22 it has lost its place as the #1 utility/survival rifle. The S@w 15/22 is the new king. More dependable far far far easier to clean and maintain in the field, just as accurate in the standard configuration. The only place the 10/22 may still have the edge is as a tricked out pure target gun.
I disagree that a single shot or bolt action .22 should be chosen over a semi-automatic solely on the reasoning that there are fewer parts to break on a single shot or bolt action. A quality made semi-automatic will be more reliable than a cheaply made single shot or bolt action. I would take a Ruger 10-22 over any single shot or bolt action made, regardless of the quality of the single shot or bolt action. The Ruger 10-22 has demonstrated sufficient reliability through millions of rounds being fired since it's inception. The ability to fire rapid shots in a defensive situation trumps a single shot or bolt action any day of the week. For the record, almost every small or large game animal I have killed have been one shot kills. So for hunting I have never needed a semi-automatic. I would want a semi-automatic .22 solely for the purpose of defense, whether as a primary or back-up weapon. If never needed for defense, I could easily suffice on a single shot or bolt action. I would never choose any .22 strictly for defense, but if it's all I had it would be Ruger 10-22.
I live in the UK and am restricted in terms of firearms. However I do own a 10/22 with a sound moderator and would regard it as ideal for use where noise was a problem – I often shoot crows at distances of 100yds and people 20yds in the other direction hear nothing. As a former soldier I have seen moderated 22 calibre weapons used in the field but it would not be my first choice, unless noise was an issue. My Mossberg 500 (7+1) would be my choice for close action, my 357 Marlin for intermediate and my 303 Enfield for distance. Guess what I am trying to say is there is no ideal weapon and that is reflected in the range of calibres and action types available. If I could only have one and just the ammo I could grab, it probably would be my moderated 10/22.
I own two 10-22's, one of them being a take-down. But I would never choose a 10-22 or any other .22 as my only choice if I had another choice. Here's why: I live in the Northern Adirondacks and have hunted both small game (squirrels, snowshoe hares, grouse) and large game (whitetail deer). From my small game hunting experience, hunting small game in a survival situation here is not worth the time, effort and in particular, caloric expenditure. Hunting small game here is great for recreation, but they're far too elusive, hard to find, and small in numbers to be worth the effort. I wouldn't waste my time hunting small game. I'd be fishing instead. So as far as hunting small game, any .22 is of minimal value to me. As far as whitetail, you could jacklight effectively with a .22. But there are many other hunters here. In a short time, the easy does and spikes will be shot off and the remaining will become so skittish and change their patterns so as not to be worth the effort. In short, I wouldn't choose any firearm on it's basis to hunt with. The ability to carry thousands of rounds is meaningless to me because I would have no chance of ever using them all. My goal in a SHTF situation would be to never have to fire a shot at anyone and have no one fire a shot at me. I would run, hide and use deception to the maximum extent possible. But if I was cornered, I would not want to put my life at risk with a marginal defensive round. I would also not plan on bartering anything with anyone. If I do, I'm letting someone know that I have something they want and they may just decide to take it by force. But let's say I have a high value item and plenty of it to barter with. What I would do is use deception and try to barter something else have for the item I already have. Plan here is to give the impression that I don't have a high value item someone wants. In my case, the advantages a .22 does have is not worth giving up a reasonable defense capability. Everything is a trade-off. There is no one firearm that is ideal for all situations. But in SHTF, defensive capability is the most important factor for me.
If I did go with a 10-22, it would be the take-down. I have both the conventional and the take-down. The conventional has a Williams 5D mounted far back on the receiver. A gunsmith had to drill and tap the mounting holes. He told me he broke two carbide drills in the process. The conventional 10-22 is a tack-driver. I haven't shot the take-down enough to directly compare it's accuracy to the conventional but the accuracy is good enough. I have Tech Sights on the take-down which appear to be robust with protective dog ears on the front and wings on the rear. I also like the choice of two apertures but leave it on the larger aperture. I've always hunted small game with iron sights. The do the job. One thing I would never do is put a permanently mounted scope on any SHTF rifle. It's a good way to get myself killed in a hurry. Can't pick up anyone close who's bobbing, weaving, ducking, etc. I'll be dead before I can get the cross hairs on, if at all. Good peripheral vision with iron sights. I'm told reflex sights (Aimpoint or EOtec) are faster than irons for close range but I've got astigmatism and see a blurred dot with both. Reason for the take-down over the conventional is that there may be a need for concealment or ease of carry in certain cases. Otherwise, there would be no need for the take-down for me.


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HSBC BANK USA, N.A.v.MIGUEL H. LOPEZ, SR ET AL
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On February 22, 2012, Plaintiff HSBC Bank, N.A. brought this action in Los Angeles Superior Court against Miguel H. Lopez, Sr.; Dolores R. Lopez; Maria Lopez; Juan Alberto Lopez; Sandra Lopez; and all persons claiming any legal or equitable right, title, estate lien or interest in the property at 457 Benrud Street, Duarte, California 91010 (the "Property"). (Docket No. 1, Not., Ex. 1 [Compl.].) On June 25, Defendant Miguel H. Lopez, Sr. removed the action to this Court, alleging subject matter jurisdiction under 28 U.S.C. §§ 1331 and 1332. (Not. ¶¶ 3, 8--14.) However, for the reasons set forth below, the Court cannot presently determine that subject matter jurisdiction exists on either basis. In addition, the Court is unable to determine whether all properly served Defendants have consented to removal under 28 U.S.C. § 1446(b)(2)(A). Accordingly, Defendant is ORDERED TO SHOW CAUSE as to why this case should not be dismissed for lack of subject matter jurisdiction, and as to whether the procedural requirements of 28 U.S.C. § 1446(b)(2)(A) has been satisfied.
Under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 12(h)(3), "[i]f the court determines at any time that it lacks subject-matter jurisdiction, the court must dismiss the action." Fed. R. Civ. P. 12(h)(3). "[A] court may raise the question of subject matter jurisdiction, sua sponte, at any time during the pendency of the action . . . ." Snell v. Cleveland, Inc., 316 F.3d 822, 826 (9th Cir. 2002); see also United Investors Life Ins. Co. v. Waddell & Reed, Inc., 360 F.3d 960, 966 (9th Cir. 2004) ("Here the district court had a duty to establish subject matter jurisdiction over the removed action sua sponte, whether the parties raised the issue or not.").
The Ninth Circuit has held that courts must "strictly construe the removal statute against removal jurisdiction" and reject federal jurisdiction "if there is any doubt as to the right of removal in the first instance." Gaus v. Miles, Inc., 980 F.2d 564, 566 (9th Cir. 1992) (citation omitted). "The strong presumption against removal jurisdiction means that the defendant always has the burden of establishing that removal is proper." Id. (quotations and citations omitted).
Under 28 U.S.C. § 1441, a defendant may remove to federal court any state court action arising under the Constitution, treaties, or laws of the United States. 28 U.S.C. § 1441(b); see 28 U.S.C. § 1331. "Under the longstanding well-pleaded complaint rule, . . . a suit 'arises under' federal law 'only when the plaintiff's statement of his own cause of action shows that it is based upon federal law.'" Vaden v. Discover Bank, 129 S. Ct. 1262, 1272 (2009) (quoting Louisville & Nashville R.R. Co. v. Mottley, 211 U.S. 149, 152 (1908)) (alteration omitted). Thus, "[a] federal law defense to a state-law claim does not confer jurisdiction on a federal court." Valles v. Ivy Hill Corp., 410 F.3d 1071, 1075 (9th Cir. 2005) (citing Franchise Tax Bd. of California v. Constr. Laborers Vacation Trust for S. Cal., 463 U.S. 1, 14 (1983)). Rather, a case may "arise under" federal law only where the "well-pleaded complaint establishes either [1] that federal law creates the cause of action or [2] that the plaintiff's right to relief necessarily depends on resolution of a substantial question of federal law." Franchise Tax Bd., 463 U.S. at 28-29. Nevertheless, "a plaintiff may not defeat removal by omitting to plead necessary federal questions." Rivet v. Regions Bank of La., 522 U.S. 470, 475 (1998) (citation omitted). "If a court concludes that a plaintiff has "artfully pleaded" claims in this fashion, it may uphold removal even though no federal question appears on the face of the plaintiff's complaint." Id.
Defendant appears to imply that federal question jurisdiction is proper under 28 U.S.C. §§ 157(b)(2) and 1334, and the Fourth Amendment, and because he intended to assert various federal defenses. (Not. ¶¶ 8--14.) It is undisputed, however, that Plaintiff's complaint does not explicitly plead any federal cause of action. Defendant fails to provide any basis for finding that either [1] Plaintiff's claims are created by federal law or [2] that Plaintiff's "right to relief necessarily depends on the resolution of a substantial question of federal law." Franchise Tax, 463 U.S. at 28-29. Nor is there any basis for finding that Plaintiff engaged in artful pleading to defeat removal of a legitimate federal claim by attempting to disguise its claim as one arising under state law. See Federated Dep't Stores, Inc. v. Moitie, 452 U.S. 394, 397 n.2 (1981). Therefore, removal jurisdiction is lacking, even if Defendant intends to assert defenses based exclusively on federal law. See Valles, 410 F.3d at 1075 ("A federal law defense to a state-law claim does not confer jurisdiction on a federal court.").
Accordingly, Defendant has not adequately alleged that the Court has federal question jurisdiction under 28 U.S.C. § 1331.
Federal courts have jurisdiction on the basis of diversity of citizenship if the amount in controversy exceeds $75,000 and if the matter is between citizens of different states. 28 U.S.C. § 1332(a). "Diversity jurisdiction under 28 U.S.C. § 1332 requires complete diversity, i.e. every plaintiff must be diverse from every defendant." Osborn v. Metropolitan Life Ins. Co., 341 F. Supp. 2d 1123, 1126 (E.D. Cal. 2004).
Defendant also invokes this Court's diversity jurisdiction under 28 U.S.C. § 1332(a). (Id. ¶ 3.) However, the Court cannot presently determine (1) the citizenship of the co-defendants, or
(2) the citizenship of Plaintiff, a national banking association. Absent allegations of citizenship as to all parties, the Court cannot determine whether it has diversity jurisdiction over this case.
First, Defendant alleges that he is a citizen of California, but he has not alleged the citizenship of any if his co-defendants. (Not. ¶ 5.) Second, Defendant has alleged only that HSBC Bank, N.A. "is not a citizen of California" but has failed to allege what Plaintiff's citizenship is. (Id. ¶ 4.) 28 U.S.C. § 1348 states that "[a]ll national banking associations shall . . . be deemed citizens of the State in which they are respectively located." A national banking association is deemed to be located for the purposes of citizenship in the state in which its main office, as set forth in its articles of incorporation, is located. Wachovia Bank, N.A. v. Schmidt, 546 U.S. 303, 307 (2006).
The Court is thus unable to conclude that complete diversity exists in this case and, therefore, whether it has subject matter jurisdiction under 28 U.S.C. § 1332(a).
Finally, Defendant has not alleged whether any properly served co-defendants have joined in the removal. "When a civil action is removed solely under section 1441(a), all defendants who have been properly joined and served must join in or consent to the removal of the action." 28 U.S.C. § 1446(b)(2)(A); see United Computer Sys., Inc. v. A.T.&T. Corp., 298 F.3d 756, 762 (9th Cir. 2002) ("[T]he usual rule is that all defendants in an action in a state court must join in a petition for removal."). A notice filed by fewer than all defendants can still be "effective without individual consent documents on behalf of each defendant," so long as the notice contains a sworn statement, signed by an attorney of record, that the other defendants consent. Proctor v. Vishay Intertechnology, Inc., 584 F.3d 1208, 1225 (9th Cir. 2009).
Here, Defendant's notice of removal does not indicate whether any co-defendants have been properly served, and if so, whether they have consented to removal. Accordingly, the Court is unable to determine whether the procedural requirements of 28 U.S.C. § 1446(b)(2)(A) has been satisfied.
For the reasons set forth above, Defendant is ORDERED TO SHOW CAUSE no later than Friday, July 27, 2012, as to why the Court should not dismiss this case for lack of subject matter jurisdiction, and whether 28 U.S.C. § 1446(b)(2)(A) has been satisfied. Failure to respond by this deadline will be deemed consent to dismissal of the action.
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Clydesdale's are noble, majestic animals and have become very famous. They are also known as the 'Budweiser' horse, and are featured in commercials, parades, and other events.
In order to be considered for the team, the horse must be even tempered and strong, be at least 4 years old, stand at least 18 hands, weigh between 1800-2300 pounds, must have a reddish-brown coat with black mane and tail, blaze of white on face, and four white stocking feet. They also have long hair around their ankles, which is thought to have developed to keep them warm.
In the beginning the teams were shipped by train. In 1940 they began to be hauled by trucks, and travel about ten months of the year. It takes three 50 foot semi trucks to haul the horses, wagon, harnesses, and other equipment. They have appeared in parades for two U.S. presidents, Harry Truman and Bill Clinton. Groomers and handlers travel on the road with the horses. It takes five people about 4 hours to groom eight horses and costs around $6,000 a day. They stop each night at local stables so the horses can rest. The horses are also famous for their appearance in super bowl ads, and appear in many parades and rodeos. They travel thousands of miles each year. There are 10 horses on each team, with 8 driven at one time and the other 2 for backup when needed.
Some commercials they have appeared in required training. For one commercial, the horses needed to stop at a certain point on the football field. In order to train them to stop, the trainer laid two by four planks across the pasture and placed grain on the boards. The horses began to associate the line with food, and would stop at that line even if there was no food. This year's superbowl ad was titled 'Return of the King', which featured the horses delivering a case of beer to a prohibition town. 18 horses were used, and two months were spent on training. Other commercials include a 2006 ad showing older clydesdales giving a youngster a gentle push, a snowball fight between the horses, or Hank who wasn't chosen as a hitch horse and gets 'Rocky Balboa' training from the dalmation. Superbowl fans look forward to the Budweiser commercials featuring the horses each year. One year the company's scheduled commercial was not going to have the horses in it, but were later added after thousands of fan requests.
The harnesses for the Clydesdale's are large and heavy. Each harness weighs about 130 lbs, and made from brass and leather. Harnesses will fit any of the horses, but the collars must be made to fit each individual horse. A set of eight is worth over $70,000. Their horseshoes are a little over 20 inches and weigh around five lbs. The pair of horses immediately in front of the wagon tend to be the strongest because they have to be able to start the wagon's movement and slow it down. The second and third pair of horses are chosen due to agility and the ability to turn the wagon. The front pair of horses must also be agile and be the fastest. Originally the horses were trained in Fort Collins, but were recently moved to Merrimack, New Hampshire.
The hitch drivers must also go through training to learn how to drive and maneuver the 12 tons of horses and wagon. They hold 40 pounds of line plus the tension from the horses, which creates a weight of over 75 pounds. The horses are given short and simple names like 'Bud' to make it easier for the drivers to remember.
The wagons are styled after the old Studebaker that were converted in the early 1900's to deliver beer. The wagon features two brakes, one hydraulic to slow it down for turns and downhill slopes, and one foot brake to lock the wagon in place when stopped. Dalmations were used to protect the horses and guard the beer while the driver made deliveries.
Clydesdale's are capable of pulling a 1 ton load at 5 miles per hour, and were developed for farm work. Each horse eats 20 - 25 quarts of grain, 50 to 60 lbs of hay, and 30 gallons of water per day! They were first brought to America in the mid 1800's. Clydesdale's were used as a draft horse, and were also in the war. They are mostly used today in shows or for breeding. The horses are bred on a farm outside of St. Louis on Warm springs ranch. The birth of more than 30 foals are expected this year, between the months of February through June. The ranch just opened up for public tours where visitors can interact with the horses. They typically retire around 14 to 15 years. In 1975 the breed became nearly extinct with only about 80 horses, but today is back up to over 5,000.
Some of the clydesdale farms are open to visitors. These are one of the most beautiful animals I have ever seen. Pictures are no comparison to standing next to these lovely creatures. Be sure to check Anheuser Busch's website to see when they will be coming near you.