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Skip to comments.Genesis and the Religion of Primitive Man (Was monotheism the original religion of primitive man?)
Posted on 12/13/2009 7:33:11 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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Well, the difference of 14 days that I'm talking about is that there is a difference of 14 days between Sukkot and the Feast of Trumpets (give or take a day... :-) ...)
Now, although I think it's very clear that from what the Bible explains that Jesus was not born on December 25th (whatever day that was bak then, which I don't even know...) — the exact day is not really clear.
The appeal with this sort of thing is that one would like to make some things "of significance" by fitting into certain holy days given in the Bible, but I don't see where this has to be the case. It would be nice and it would "tidy things up" — but it's not something that is mandated.
At this point it's speculative, although a lot of people would prefer to believe that certain events in Jesus' history falls on certain holy days.
Even when referring to Elizabeth, it's noted in the Bible that Mary visited in her "sixth month" — and that's a bit of a spread of time, not pinning it down to when Mary was pregnant (i.e, had conceived).
We know that she had not conceived at the time of the angel talking to Mary, but we do know that she had conceived by the time she makes the trip to see Elizabeth. However, it looks (to me) to be a possible "spread in time" of maybe 1/2 a month or more variance (being that it's described as "in the sixth month")...
I have found letting the YHvH lead me by metaphor works best. shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
NAU John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. Dwelt <4637> skhno,w skenoo
Meaning: to have ones tent, dwell
Origin: from 4633
Usage: dwell(3), dwelt(1), spread His tabernacle(1).
Notes: (1) Or tabernacled; i.e. lived temporarily (2)
Or unique, only one of His kind (a) Rev 19:13 (b) Rom 1:3; Gal 4:4; Phi 2:7f; 1Ti 3:16; Heb 2:14; 1Jo 1:1f; 1Jo 4:2; 2Jo 1:7 (c) Rev 21:3 (d) Luk 9:32; Joh 2:11; Joh 17:22, Joh 17:24; 2Pe 1:16f; 1Jo 1:1 (e) Joh 1:17; Rom 5:21; Rom 6:14 (f) Joh 8:32; Joh 14:6; Joh 18:37
Never heard of that. Sounds like the first woman was a bulldyke that hated men. Then god made eve, a nice girl.
I do understand that and that's one way that a person can understand it. I was just pointing out that there's no definitive and explicit way to do it, other than the way you say.
I mean some things in the Bible are delineated very precisely and clearly in such a way that there can be no misunderstanding of it. But, other things are not so precise.
So..., it does seem clear in the Bible that Jesus was not born in (what is our month of) December. I think that's pretty clear. What is not exactly clear is "exactly" when He was born.
And one more thing... do you have a "day-count" of how many days from a possible date of conception (for Jesus) to the supposed date of birth? And also, wouldn't that count of days be also dependent upon what year it was?
We are not certain of the year of birth. Some think 2 or 3 BCE. The eight days of Chanukah, Sukkot and circumcision are intriguing. Since science has found that vitamin K is highest eight days after birth.
That would be difficult with varying number of days shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
from 25th of Kislev and the 15th of Tishri.
We are not certain of the year of birth.
Some think 2 or 3 BCE.
The eight days of Chanukah, Sukkot and circumcision are intriguing.
Since science has found that vitamin K is highest eight days after birth.
Well, one day we will know for sure... :-)
Amen ! Brother. shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Music Video by Jonathan Settelshalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
May this Bless you and yours.
Yeah, and?
Josephus tells us the Tetragrammaton is four VOWELS (Wars of the Jews 5.5.7), not four consonants. Thus IEUE. All it then needs is its missing "s".
Al'lah = Illah = Elah, various forms of El or Elohim in Arabic, Hebrew, Aramaic, etc. Allah is the word used by Arabic speaking Christians for the name of God when translating Elohim since before the time of Mohammad.
Allah is NOT the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac and Israel.shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Josephus War of the Jews book 5 chapter 5 section 7 concerns priestly requirements.
I have no clue who carlos enrique is and what are his credentials on any topic.
I recommend the book Eternity in their Hearts by Don Richardson to anyone wanting to see that monotheism is the baseline religion for all people groups. Extremely interesting stories and a very easy read. Christmas blessings to all.
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Fine. What is the appropriate translation of Elohim in Arabic?
Fine. What is the appropriate translation of Elohim in Arabic?
Allah seems to have all of the attributes of Satan. The phrase Allu akbar means Allah is GREATER. The question to ask is Allah is Greater than whom ?
Don't you think is is disingenuous at best to use Allah, shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
when that is the name of Mohammed's g-d.
Allah seems to have all of the attributes of Satan.
The phrase Allu akbar means Allah is GREATER.
The question to ask is Allah is Greater than whom ?
Why? Arabs were Christians for centuries before Mohammad showed up. Why should they apologize for his use of the name of God in Arabic? Whatever distortions the false prophet created are his to answer for. Arab Christians can go on praying to and baptizing in the name of Allāh al-'Ab, Allāh al-ibn, and Allāh al-rūḥ al-quds (God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost) without worrying a bit about that.
Al'lah (=Al Ilah = ho Theos = the God) is the word for God in Arabic. Period. Its a cognate of Elah (Aramaic), Eloh (Hebrew), Alla (Maltese).
Allah seems to have all of the attributes of Satan.
In the Mohammedan heresy, that may very well be true.
The phrase Allu akbar means Allah is GREATER. The question to ask is Allah is Greater than whom?
Allahu akhbar = God is the Greatest. The answer is the greatest of all beings that exist.
Reading it now. Wonderful book!
Where do you get that Arabs were "Christians" before they were Muslims?
Most of the Middle East was Orthodox before Islam arrived and conquered it.
Here, try reading through the "Indentity" and "History" sections of this article.
Arab Christians (and here I will restrict the word Arab to only true Arabs speaking Arabic before Mohammad thus excluding the Lebanese, Syrians, and Mesopotamians of Iraq) before the time of Mohammad lived in Jordan, Yemen, Oman and scattered through the Arabian Desert. Most famous are the Nabateans and Ghassanids, who you can google to your heart's content to find information on elsewhere if you really don't believe Wikipedia. You;ll find things like the book "The Arab Christian"
Also see in Wikipedia's "Lileth" reference to her appearences in the Talmud....
Happy Chanuka & Merry Christmas!
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Blueberry/Orange Muffins
Paulette Cannon
I have so many blueberries each year and was looking for something different. I ran across this recipe in a magazine and decided to give it a try. I used to make them and take them to the sweetest little elderly lady from our church and she loved them. She is no longer with us but I will share this recipe and dedicate them to Ms. Elvie.
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- 1 c
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- 1 c
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- 1 tsp
- grated orange zest
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- blueberries
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- eggs, beaten
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1this is for the topping for the muffins: 1/2 cup finely chopped nuts, 3 Tablespoons sugar, and 1/4 teaspoon cinnamon
2Mix oats,orange juice, and zest; blend oil,and eggs and set aside. Stir together flour,sugar,baking powder,salt,and baking soda. Add oat mixture;mix lightly. Fold in blueberries. Spoon batter into paper lined muffin tins, filling 2/3 full. Combine topping ingredients;sprinkle over batter. Bake at 400 degrees for about 15 to 18 minutes or until lightly browned.
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This paper argues that Mormon cosmology plus the Mormon view of the origin of human persons results in an undercutting defeater for Mormonism. The approach is modeled after Plantinga's evolutionary argument against naturalism. The first step is to show that Mormon cosmology is relevantly like naturalism. The second step is to show that the origin of human persons ins relevantly similar to naturalistic evolution so that it faces the same kind of defeaters as the conjunction of naturalism and naturalistic evolution.
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"The Eternal Progression Argument against Mormonism,"
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Graham loves natural photos and nothing in our pictures was staged or posed. This is just me, Lisa Harkin and Charlie spending a Sunday together at Roe Valley Country Park.
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**** it don't matter to me.
I've got a non sunroof headliner i just took out to get redone...can trace it if i find paper big enough
18th? Let's hit up a coffe spot lol
How's everyone hanging? Any big winter projects commenced?
That's this weekend? :eek:
I may be attending both events.
i couldn't post anything last night my apologies to those who did show up.
Next friday is the very last Ratchet Friday, anyone interested in cruising down there? Maybe a food run afterwards?
First page has been updated guys/gals :thumbup:
Let's try to promote the next gtg a bit more locally since the pure forum attendance has decreased.
See everyone tonight.
yes indeed, hoodie weather is among us.
thanks man, stroll by someday. its great to see members of the core group chime in :thumbup:
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Journey 2: The Mysterious Island Reviews
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September 17, 2012
"Journey 2: The Mysterious Island" is light, airy family entertainment that actually ends up being too light and airy.
Full Review | Original Score: 2.5/4
William Bibbiani
August 22, 2012
The only defense for this movie is to say that it's not actually 'trying' to be good ... Are we supposed to applaud just because they set the bar low and barely reached it?
Full Review | Original Score: 3/10
Sherwyn Spencer
Little White Lies
Little White Lies
February 3, 2012
Enough already with these uninspiring jaunts - especially if no effort is going to be made to stimulate our curiosity and imagination in a way that would truly honour Verne's enchanting writings.
Full Review | Original Score: 1/5
Liam Maguren
January 30, 2012
It's the hamburger meat of American family adventure films.
Joshua Starnes
February 13, 2012
A lack of inspiration permeates every foot of Journey 2: The Mysterious Island's frame.
Full Review | Original Score: 5/10
Siobhan Synnot
January 29, 2012
3D adventure and slapstick comedy ensues. The fun remains marooned.
Matt Neal
The Standard
The Standard
January 18, 2012
It's difficult to side with anyone or care much - one character dislocates his ankle and you'll merely shrug and say 'meh'.
Daniel Hubschman
February 2, 2012
[the film] runs its course quickly without ever leaving a moment to reflect on how ridiculous it is.
Roger Moore
Tribune News Service
Tribune News Service
March 23, 2012
Amusingly childish...
Full Review | Original Score: 2/4
Sam Bathe
Fan The Fire
Fan The Fire
February 2, 2012
Most of the talent look embarrassed to be on screen
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Roger Ebert
Chicago Sun-Times
Chicago Sun-Times
February 9, 2012
It isn't a "good" movie in the usual sense (or most senses), but it is jolly and good-natured, and Michael Caine and Dwayne Johnson are among the most likable of actors.
Full Review | Original Score: 2.5/4
Top Critic
Michael Phillips
Chicago Tribune
Chicago Tribune
February 9, 2012
It's only disguised as fun.
Full Review | Original Score: 1.5/4
Drew McWeeny
February 9, 2012
... if you can't even just sit back and enjoy the spectacle, then what point is there to a film like this?
Full Review | Original Score: C-
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Amy Biancolli
San Francisco Chronicle
San Francisco Chronicle
February 9, 2012
A brainless 3-D sequel to 2008's brainless 3-D "Journey to the Center of the Earth."
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Alison Willmore
February 9, 2012
Johnson's disarming commitment to the doodle of a character he's playing isn't enough to inject life into the rest of the film, which is an anemic retread of beats and elements from its predecessor...
Full Review | Original Score: 5/10
Nick Schager
Slant Magazine
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February 8, 2012
Rarely has a big-studio feature integrated real-world figures into artificial landscapes with this little grace.
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Eric D. Snider
February 11, 2012
A big ol' shrug of the shoulders, that's what it gets from me.
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Jeff Bayer
The Scorecard Review
The Scorecard Review
February 10, 2012
Any sign of cutting-edge 3D effects are gone in this sequel. Now we just have Dwayne Johnson pec popping, and squabbling with Michael Caine in this forgettable adventure.
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Gary Wolcott
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February 10, 2012
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September 4, 2013
VINCENZO COCUZZA, Plaintiff-Respondent,v.DOMENICO RENNA, Defendant-Appellant.
Argued May 15, 2013.
On appeal from the Superior Court of New Jersey, Law Division, Burlington County, Docket No. L-3020-08.
Nicola G. Suglia argued the cause for appellant (Fleischer, Fleischer & Suglia, attorneys; Ms. Suglia, on the briefs).
Joseph M. Pinto argued the cause for respondent (Polino and Pinto, P.C., attorneys; Mr. Pinto, on the brief).
Before Judges Parrillo, Sabatino and Maven.
Plaintiff Vincent Cocuzza filed a complaint against defendant Domenico Renna alleging fraud, equitable fraud, unjust enrichment, and breach of contract related to the sale of a pizzeria business to plaintiff. Plaintiff sought rescission, compensatory and punitive damages, the return of all monies paid to defendant, and costs, interest, and counsel fees. Defendant's answer included counterclaims for breach of the promissory note, breach of a lease, conversion, and quantum meruit.
After a five-day bench trial, the Honorable Marc M. Baldwin, J.S.C., found that defendant had committed an act of equitable fraud, ordered that the contract be rescinded, and awarded plaintiff $122, 585.60 in damages. On appeal, defendant argues that plaintiff's claim of equitable fraud should fail because plaintiff's reliance on defendant's representations was not reasonable. Defendant also argues that the trial judge incorrectly measured gross revenues at trial, and that the judge improperly awarded rescission damages. We have considered the arguments raised in light of the record and the applicable legal standards. We affirm.
A. In approximately 1994 or 1995, defendant purchased property in Bordentown and opened a pizzeria business. Defendant decided to sell the pizzeria and, on March 3, 2007, placed an advertisement for the sale of the business in an Italian-language newspaper, "America Oggi." The advertisement represented that weekly income from the pizzeria was between $11, 000 and $12, 000.
Plaintiff's son, Alexander Cocuzza, contacted defendant regarding the advertisement, and the two arranged a meeting for roughly two days later at the pizzeria. Plaintiff, his wife, and his sons, Alexander and Christopher, attended the meeting with defendant. At the meeting, defendant told plaintiff that the restaurant generated between $11, 000 and $12, 000 in gross sales per week. Defendant also said that, in certain weeks, the weekly gross would reach $14, 000.[1] Defendant also told plaintiff at this meeting that he was selling the pizzeria because he was ill with cancer and his children were pursuing careers elsewhere.
According to Alexander, he asked defendant at the meeting "if there was a way that we could see how that pizzeria really would have made [$11, 000] to $12, 000 [each week]." Alexander said that defendant replied that they would have to "trust him." Alexander testified that defendant "refused [to show] us records and proof of whatever he was making." Alexander said that defendant also refused their request to allow them to observe the pizzeria's operations for two weeks. Alexander further testified that defendant showed them around the pizzeria, but did not show them the cash register system.
The parties thereafter held a second meeting with plaintiff's family in attendance, at which they discussed the purchase price and other terms. Defendant told plaintiff at that meeting of his intention that plaintiff would buy the business, but that defendant would keep the building and lease it to plaintiff under a five-year lease at $3800 per month. According to Alexander, defendant said at this meeting that his income tax forms substantiating his claim as to the pizzeria's income were "personal" and that he did not wish to produce them. Alexander said that "[w]hen you buy a business, the first thing you want to see [is] how much money you [will be] generating, " and that claims on tax forms were a good indicator of that number. He added that defendant did, however, agree to allow them to observe the pizzeria for a week.
Defendant alleged that at the end of the meeting, plaintiff indicated that he wished to purchase the business, but wanted to observe the pizzeria to ensure that defendant's representations about its income were accurate. According to defendant, plaintiff was not interested in seeing defendant's sales records despite his offer to that effect, and instead said that he had to "be in the place and check the business for myself."
Defendant testified at trial that he would have allowed plaintiff to see computer records from the cash register and a handwritten record book[2] to substantiate his claim that the pizzeria grossed between $11, 000 and $12, 000 each week, but defendant also stated that he would not have shown plaintiff his tax returns because they would not have reflected that the business grossed that amount. Plaintiff said at trial that to understand a business's earnings, he would "at minimum" have to spend a month there observing its operations. In addition, records, including tax records, would have to be examined.
On March 12, 2007, plaintiff issued a check of $5000 to defendant as a deposit for the purchase of the pizzeria. Defendant's attorney confirmed the receipt of the check in a letter to plaintiff dated March 14, 2007.
Plaintiff's two sons thereafter spent one week observing the pizzeria by "stay[ing] morning to night inside the shop[.]" Alexander said that he wanted to observe the pizzeria so that he could confirm defendant's representations as to the pizzeria's gross income. Alexander stated in particular that during this time he watched defendant order supplies and balance the register. He said that he also watched defendant count money from the cash register each day, but he himself did not count the money with defendant. He stated that defendant also accepted credit card payments from customers, but defendant did not show him the receipts.
Alexander testified that defendant showed him the daily gross revenues each day, and that at the end of the week the total was "close" to $11, 000. He added that the week he observed the pizzeria's operations was "one of the busy weeks" in the year. During this time, Alexander also reviewed the pizzeria's bills for items such as supplies, gas, electricity, water, garbage pickup, and insurance, and estimated the operation costs. He testified that defendant did not show him all of the pizzeria's expenses, but indicated that an estimate could nevertheless be made from what was shown.
Alexander testified that defendant refused to allow him to observe for a second week. Defendant again refused to allow plaintiff's family to review his records, allegedly repeating his assertion that they should "trust" him. Alexander said that he and his family were "hoping that the pizzeria was making really that money." He said that they would not be able successfully operate the pizzeria if it was not making the advertised amount. Alexander stated that he did not believe at that time that the pizzeria was generating $12, 000 per week, and he informed plaintiff of this belief. According to Alexander, plaintiff asked defendant for assurances that the pizzeria was, in fact, grossing that amount. The family determined that they "could rely on [defendant]" and "trust him."
Plaintiff admitted in his testimony that he had "faith" in defendant. He acknowledged that he did not have the necessary information to be certain whether the pizzeria would actually gross $11, 000 to $12, 000 each week, but he said that defendant assured him to "stay calm" and that defendant said he would see that the pizzeria did make that amount. Plaintiff said, through his interpreter at trial:
I became convinced over time going to his house when I was bringing him the [deposit installment] money, that he would indicate he couldn't work any longer because of his health status and that his children could not work at the pizzeria any longer. So I became convinced that he wouldn't have a motive to not tell the truth based on that.
Plaintiff added that he had repeatedly mentioned to defendant the discrepancy between defendant's assertions and the pizzeria's income calculations, and that defendant reassured him that he should not worry. Plaintiff said that these reassurances convinced him to move forward with the purchase.[3]
Plaintiff said that on approximately April 6, 2007, the parties held what was intended to be the closing. At that meeting, defendant's lawyer read the contract to plaintiff in English, and asked for a $90, 000 deposit. Plaintiff said that defendant read portions of the contract to him in Italian, but plaintiff said he was not concerned with its contents because "I assumed that that would be the same contract . . ., because I had already taken it to my lawyer." Defendant and his attorney then spoke privately, and informed plaintiff that they would have to rewrite the contract "to fix a few little things."
Approximately ten days later, defendant called plaintiff and informed him that the new contract was ready, and the two arranged to meet at the office of defendant's lawyer. Plaintiff did not have an attorney present at closing. Defendant admitted that no one at the closing translated the changes in the signed version of the agreement to plaintiff. Plaintiff testified that defendant and his attorney informed him that the new contract was the same as before but with adjustments. He said he "felt comfortable" signing the documents presented to him at closing because he thought they were the same as those shown to him previously. He believed that the only change in the new contract was the $75, 000 alteration of the lump-sum amount from $85, 000 to $10, 000. On that day, April 16, 2007, the parties signed a document titled "Agreement of Sale." An earlier, unsigned version of that document is contained in the record. The two documents are not identical.
Pursuant to the signed version of the agreement, plaintiff agreed to buy defendant's assets in relation to the business, excluding cash on hand, bank accounts, accounts receivable, vehicles, and the real property itself. The Agreement of Sale also contemplated that a lease between the parties would be executed at closing. The purchase price under the agreement was $265, 000, consisting of a non-refundable deposit of $5000, a lump sum payment of $10, 000 payable at closing, and the remaining $250, 000 was to be paid in equal monthly installments to defendant pursuant to a promissory note.[4]
Defendant testified at trial that plaintiff gave him $90, 000 in cash as part of the agreement. The $90, 000 was paid at defendant's request in installments of less than $10, 000 each. Defendant said that the total purchase price, including the cash payments, was $340, 000, and the parties agreed not to put the entire sale price into the final written agreement.[5] Defendant further said that his attorney, who prepared the agreement, was not aware of the undocumented cash payments.
Another significant difference between the first and second versions of the agreement is found in the section titled, "Due Diligence, Access and Information." In the earlier, unsigned version of the agreement, the relevant paragraph reads:
[Defendant] makes no representations or warranties with respect to the state of the assets and business being sold hereunder and are being sold AS IS. Without limitation, SELLER MAKES NO REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPPOSE. For a period of fourteen (14) days from execution of this Agreement by all parties, [defendant] shall give [plaintiff] full access, during normal business hours, to [defendant's] books and records, contracts and commitments and [plaintiff] shall be entitled during such period to make reasonable examination of the [b]usiness'[s] premises and the fixtures, furniture and equipment purchased and sold hereunder.
[(Emphasis added).]
The modified, signed agreement reads:
[Defendant] makes no representations or warranties with respect to the state of the assets and business being sold hereunder and are being sold AS IS. Without limitation, SELLER MAKES NO REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPPOSE. [Plaintiff] hereby acknowledges that [defendant] has given [plaintiff] full access to [defendant's] books and records, contracts and commitments and that [plaintiff] has had an adequate opportunity to make reasonable examination of the [b]usiness'[s] premises and the fixtures, furniture and equipment purchased and sold hereunder and that [plaintiff] is satisfied with the same.
Defendant admitted that the changes to the due diligence portion of the agreement were not in the version that plaintiff's attorney reviewed prior to closing. However, defendant said that he himself did not know that changes were made to the agreement.
Also on April 16, 2007, plaintiff executed the promissory note, promising to pay defendant a total of $250, 000 in eighty-four monthly installments of $3, 303.33. As collateral for that note, plaintiff gave defendant a security interest in all of plaintiff's accounts receivable. Moreover, the parties executed the related lease on the same day, whereby plaintiff agreed to pay $3800 per month to rent the property on which the pizzeria is located.
After the closing, plaintiff's family began operating the pizzeria. Alexander testified that after a few months, they realized that the business was grossing an average of $8000 each week. This was not a profitable amount. Plaintiff said that the weekly gross reached $11, 000 "[m]aybe once" and it never reached $12, 000, and that if the pizzeria had made between $12, 000 and $14, 000 per week, he would have "ma[de] a decent living." Alexander stated that plaintiff contacted defendant with concerns that the pizzeria did not make as much money as defendant had said it would, and he tried to negotiate a lower monthly rent or a decreased purchase price, but defendant was uncooperative. Plaintiff testified that with a lowered purchase price and decreased rental payments, the pizzeria "perhaps" could have survived if it grossed roughly $9000 or $10, 000 per week. Plaintiff said that the pizzeria never made the amount of money that defendant said it would.
Plaintiff defaulted on his obligations to defendant in May 2008. The family closed the pizzeria on October 21, 2008. Between the time the family ceased operations, Alexander estimated that the family had invested "around" $50, 000 of its own money.
The court reviewed reports of annual sales for the years preceding the sale and the year of plaintiff's operation. A yearly period summary report of the pizzeria's sales in 2004, while still operated by plaintiff, states that the pizzeria grossed $365, 290.27 that year and received an additional $20, 978.10 from customers for sales tax. A similar report for 2005 shows that the pizzeria grossed $442, 462.74 and received $25, 257.31 for sales tax. The 2006 report states that the pizzeria grossed $524, 279.88 plus $31, 547.62 for sales tax.[6] The 2007 summary report states that the pizzeria grossed $485, 866.45 and received an additional $32, 031.05 for sales tax.
Defendant could not confirm at trial whether the numbers reflected in the yearly summary reports were accurate. Alexander said that he printed these summaries from the business computer acquired from defendant in the sale in June and July 2008. He said that he did not initially know that the computer could be used to access past sales information.
When confronted by plaintiff's family with the past sales information, defendant claimed that the numbers were not reliable because they could be changed.
Defendant's trial attorney, who was also defendant's transactional attorney in this matter, testified at trial without apparent objection. The attorney denied specific knowledge of many aspects of the transaction.
At the conclusion of trial, Judge Baldwin issued an oral decision. The judge found that, based on the sales records from the pizzeria computer, the weekly gross income in 2006 averaged $10, 083.30. The judge observed that after the sale of the pizzeria, the weekly average gross dropped to approximately $9000. The judge found that in 2008, the pizzeria had a weekly gross average of $8556.43 until it was closed. Judge Baldwin found that the critical measure of these numbers was the gross income without sales tax because "the parties can't spend the sales tax." The judge noted further that even if the revenues from sales taxes collected were included, the weekly average gross income was still less than $11, 000 per week.
Judge Baldwin found that the assertion that the pizzeria grossed between $11, 000 and $12, 000 per week was "a material misrepresentation" because the weekly average was below that amount prior to the sale. The judge, however, did not believe that defendant's misrepresentations were intentional, because he found that defendant "wasn't real analytic[al] in his numbers" and he lacked an apparent motive to lie. For this reason, Judge Baldwin determined that only the claim for equitable fraud remained viable, as that claim did not require scienter.
Judge Baldwin found that equitable fraud had been proven by clear and convincing evidence based on the disparity between the represented weekly income and the weekly income generated stated in the summary reports, and plaintiff's reliance on the representations. The judge reviewed the extent of plaintiff's investigation before the purchase. The judge stated:
[F]rom the plaintiff's point of view, [he was] relegated to one week of observation, not being able to look at the computer, not being able to see the tax returns, [and] not being able to see the book. Only being able to see a one[-]sheet compilation.
[T]he only reasonable reliance aspect is . . . the one week observation. But I do believe that . . . the hiding of potentially relevant information goes into the mix . . . as to the buyers, as to whether the buyers reasonably relied on the representations in the face of hidden information and the face of being prevented from seeing the property more than one week.
The judge found that following the limited investigation, plaintiff did not have enough information to know that defendant misrepresented the income of the pizzeria, and therefore he reasonably relied on those representations to his detriment.
Judge Baldwin rescinded the contract, and ordered defendant to pay, as rescission damages, $122, 585.60, which represented monies plaintiff paid pursuant to the agreement, namely, the $90, 000 deposit and lump sum payments, and $32, 585.60 in principal on the promissory note. The judge denied defendant's ensuing motion for reconsideration.
This appeal followed, in which defendant argues that plaintiff's claim of equitable fraud should fail because plaintiff's reliance on defendant's representations was not reasonable. Defendant also argues that the trial judge incorrectly measured gross revenues at trial, and that the judge improperly awarded rescission damages. For the reasons that follow, we reject these contentions.
A claim of equitable fraud requires proof that: (1) the defendant made a material misrepresentation of fact; (2) the defendant intended that the plaintiff would rely on that misrepresentation; and (3) the plaintiff relied on the misrepresentation to his detriment. Jewish Ctr. of Sussex Cty. v. Whale, 86 N.J. 619, 624 (1981); Liebling v. Garden State Indem., 337 N.J.Super. 447, 453 (App. Div.), certif. denied, 169 N.J. 606 (2001). The plaintiff's reliance must also be reasonable. Daibo v. Kirsch, 316 N.J.Super. 580, 588 (App. Div. 1998). These elements must be proven by clear and convincing evidence. Ibid. Unlike legal fraud, equitable fraud does not require proof that the defendant knew of the falsity of his representation. Jewish Ctr., supra, 86 N.J. at 625.
The precise definition of what is "reasonable" has been examined previously by our courts. Reliance on a misrepresentation is not reasonable or justifiable if the recipient "knows that it is false or its falsity is obvious to him." Restatement (Second) of Torts § 541 (1977); see also Walid v. Yolanda for Irene Couture, 425 N.J.Super. 171, 182 (App. Div. 2012) ("The principles set forth in the Restatement accurately reflect the law in New Jersey."). Thus, a recipient of a misrepresentation is justified in relying on that misrepresentation even though an investigation might have revealed its falsity. Restatement, supra, at § 540; Walid, supra, 425 N.J.Super. at 181. "One who engages in fraud . . . may not urge that one's victim should have been more circumspect or astute." Jewish Ctr., supra, 86 N.J. at 626 n.1. However, "if a mere cursory glance would have disclosed the falsity of the representation, " the falsity of the representation will be deemed obvious, and reliance upon it therefore not reasonable. Restatement, supra, at § 540, comment a.
Our jurisprudence in cases of equitable fraud has evolved in recent years. In Trautwein v. Bozzo, 35 N.J.Super. 270, 272 (Ch. Div. 1955), aff'd o.b., 39 N.J.Super. 267 (App. Div. 1956), the plaintiff sought rescission of his purchase of a hotel because, he alleged, the defendant misrepresented the weekly gross of the bar within the hotel. In particular, the seller represented in an advertisement that the weekly gross was $1100. Id. at 273. The plaintiff said that prior to the sale, he saw a notebook containing records of daily bar receipts for each week indicating that receipts were "far less than" the advertised amount. Id. at 278. For those reasons, the judge concluded in that case that the plaintiff "was not in fact deceived" and that the plaintiff entered into the agreement for other reasons. Id. at 279. The court therefore refused to order rescission of the sale. Ibid.
In Byrne v. Weichert Realtors, 290 N.J.Super. 126, 130 (App. Div.), certif. denied, 147 N.J. 259 (1996), a home with a significant termite infestation was listed for sale. The defendants told the plaintiffs, who were interested in purchasing the home, that the infestation was "very minimal" and "fixable." Id. at 131. An inspection of only the visible areas was conducted at the request of the plaintiffs' attorney, and the inspector concluded that limited repairs were needed in the garage, a bedroom closet, and a door frame in the furnace area. Id. at 132. After the sale was finalized, the plaintiffs discovered the true extent of the damage and sued for fraud. Id. at 132-33. Summary judgment was granted in favor of the defendants on that claim. Id. at 130.
On appeal, we observed that when a party "undertakes an independent investigation and relies on it, there can be no reliance." Id. at 137. We reversed the grant of summary judgment upon recognizing that it was unclear to what extent the plaintiffs in that case relied on their inspection as opposed to the defendants' assurances that the damage was minimal. Id. at 130, 137.
More recently in Walid, supra, 425 N.J.Super. at 174-75, we examined a fraud claim arising from a purchase of a bridal shop. The seller in that case provided the purchasers with bank deposit summaries, tax returns, pending purchase orders, profit and loss statements, and a "fact sheet" listing annual sales and operating profit. Id. at 175-76. Against the advice of their attorney, the purchasers decided not to engage an accountant to examine these documents, and opted instead to review the documents themselves. Ibid. After the sale, the business failed and the purchasers filed suit. Id. at 176. The plaintiffs alleged, and the judge subsequently found, that the seller had misrepresented the business's gross incomes. Id. at 177.
This court first noted in Walid that the plaintiffs were not experts in examining business documents, and so the documents provided by the seller would not have been obviously fraudulent to the plaintiffs. Id. at 184. Moreover, the plaintiffs did not conduct any additional investigation beyond reviewing the documents, and so they would not have had any other way of knowing that a fraud was being perpetrated upon them. Ibid. The court therefore concluded that the plaintiffs were justified in their reliance upon the seller's representations of the business's profitability. Id. at 184-86.
Against this legal backdrop, we turn to the case at bar and consider whether the factual determinations made by the judge support his legal conclusion that plaintiff reasonably relied on defendant's misrepresentations. Initially, we reject defendant's claim that he was prejudiced because the judge omitted sales tax revenues when calculating the business's weekly gross income. Defendant asserts now, as he did at trial, that by including the sales tax revenue, the pizzeria's actual revenues "generally fall within the scope of the alleged representations, " and so there was no detriment to plaintiff. As the judge found at trial, this claim is mathematically false. According to the evidence adduced at trial, in the pizzeria's best year of record, 2006, its product sales were $524, 279.88, and it collected an additional $31, 547.62 for sales tax. After averaging the combined total of $555, 827.50 for the year, the weekly average gross income, inclusive of sales tax revenues, is $10, 688.99. Even this amount falls short of the claimed $11, 000 minimum, as recognized by Judge Baldwin. Therefore, because the pizzeria's best year falls short of defendant's claims of gross revenue under either measure, and because no other pre-sale year of record even approaches the advertised minimum, defendant's claim of harmful error from an alleged miscalculation is unavailing.
Next, we reject defendant's argument that plaintiff "knew precisely what the state of the restaurant was and the volume of business it typically generated." In his opinion, the judge found that plaintiff was permitted only limited access to pivotal information about the business operations and its finances. The record reflects that plaintiff's sons were permitted to observe the business operations for one week. Defendant denied their request for additional time in the restaurant, and failed or refused to disclose all of the business records, including the computerized reports. The judge reasonably found that defendant hid potentially relevant information thereby depriving plaintiff of the ability to conduct a more in-depth investigation.
Here, as in Jewish Center, supra, defendant cannot shield himself from a claim of fraud by arguing that plaintiff "should have been more circumspect or astute." 86 N.J. at 626 n.1. Defendant not only misrepresented the gross income of the pizzeria, but also prevented plaintiff and his family from fully verifying his repeated assurances that the pizzeria would generate the represented sum. The withheld information that would have revealed the true state of financial affairs was exclusively and peculiarly within defendant's control, as was access to the physical facility. Although some similarly situated buyers would have undoubtedly shied away from the deal, under these particular circumstances where plaintiff was not only thwarted in his due diligence investigation, but furnished with misinformation, defendant should not be allowed to undermine plaintiff's legitimate claim of reasonable reliance on the misrepresentations. We therefore conclude that plaintiff's reliance was sufficiently reasonable to warrant the relief that the judge equitably granted.
We are bound to defer to the trial court's factual findings as long as they are supported by adequate, substantial and credible evidence. Rova Farms Resort, Inc. v. Investors Ins. Co., 65 N.J. 474, 483-84 (1974) (noting that a trial judge's findings of fact are not disturbed on appeal unless "they are so manifestly unsupported by or inconsistent with the competent, relevant and reasonably credible evidence as to offend the interests of justice"). "[T]he scope of appellate review is expanded when the alleged error on appeal focuses on the trial judge's evaluations of fact, rather than his or her findings of credibility." Walid, supra, 425 N.J.Super. at 179 (citation omitted).
We are also bound to defer to the trial judge's findings that are "substantially influenced by his opportunity to hear and see the witnesses and to have the 'feel' of the case, which a reviewing court cannot enjoy." State v. Locurto, 157 N.J. 463, 471 (1999) (quoting State v. Johnson, 42 N.J. 146, 161-62 (1964)). However, we do not owe any deference to the legal conclusions reached by the trial court, because our review of the law is de novo. Borough of Harvey Cedars v. Karan, ___ N.J. ___, ___ (2013) (slip op. at 33) (citing Manalapan Realty v. Manalapan Twp. Comm., 140 N.J. 366, 378 (1995)); see also Little v. KIA Motors America, Inc., 425 N.J.Super. 82, 90 (App. Div. 2012).
We are satisfied that Judge Baldwin's extensive recitation of his factual findings with respect to defendant's representations regarding the income of the pizzeria business, defendant's conduct during the negotiations, and plaintiff's independent investigation, are supported by competent evidence and are consistent with our own comprehensive review of the record. We conclude that the trial judge correctly found that plaintiff's reliance on defendant's representations was reasonable and that equitable fraud had been proven.
Lastly, we address the damages award and defendant's contention that the trial judge improperly granted rescission, or alternatively, that the damages award should have been offset by monies plaintiff paid out to his sons, or the diminution of the value of the business. These claims lack merit.
Plaintiffs claiming equitable fraud are entitled only to seek equitable remedies, such as rescission or reformation. Daibo, supra, 316 N.J.Super. at 591-92; Enright v. Lubow, 202 N.J.Super. 58, 72 (App. Div. 1985), certif. denied, 104 N.J. 376 (1986). The purpose of rescission as a remedy is to "restore the parties to the status quo ante and prevent the party who is responsible for the misrepresentation from gaining a benefit." Rutgers Cas. Ins. Co. v. LaCroix, 194 N.J. 515, 527 (2008) (alteration in original) (quoting Bonco Petrol, Inc. v. Epstein, 115 N.J. 599, 612 (1989)).
In this case, the trial judge recognized that no evidence had been presented on loss of value to the business, and refused to extend discovery after trial to allow defendant to pursue such evidence at that late stage. Furthermore, inasmuch as money damages are not permitted in an action for equitable fraud, see Daibo, supra, 316 N.J.Super. at 591-92, the judge's order rescinding the contract and returning to plaintiff monies he paid to defendant was a reasonable and equitable remedy to this dispute. We discern no abuse of discretion or legal error in the award of damages.
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I want to make it clear that I've written this little article in pieces starting back in October of 2010 when I got the console and continuing on today. I wrote most of this article when I was in the midst of setting up my Toft ATB32 console, (4) 96-point patchbay setup and added my thoughts over time. The plan is to follow it up with my current thoughts on owning a semi-large console.
The Dream
For years I've dreamed of having a big ass Neve or SSL. Once I recorded my first band, I had this gut feeling that I was going to max this stupid thing out. (That "stupid thing" being this craft of recording and not necessarily the band.:D). No one really told me that the hardest way to build a big fancy studio is to start with a small one. That's another topic, but it reminds me of that joke about the fastest way to become a millionaire is to start out as a billionaire and start an airline.
Regardless, I had high hopes of getting to "the top". I'm certainly not anywhere near the end of my journey, but over a year ago I made huge progress towards this elusive goal.
The Reality
Much like some movie where you find that the love of the game of football is nothing but a big business with Al Pacino's boss basically forcing people to play doped up so his stock goes up or something, the "bigger studio" has it's drawbacks.
First off, I didn't go all out…..at least not yet. I had eyeballed various consoles ranging from totally impractical to mostly impractical and finally landed on the fairly impractical Toft ATB32.
What's not practical about a Toft ATB32?
Even though I had to take the screen door off in order to get the box in the house, I bought a $160 dolly just to make sure this thing didn't take a dive when getting it into the house, and I had to invite a buddy over just to lift it onto my table thing, my non-audio brother sees it and says, "I thought it would be bigger". Oh well. :rolleyes:
The screen door was easy. That took four minutes of my time and probably only four four-letter words to complete. No problem.
I paid an additional $500 for big ol' batch of cables, 2 96-point TT patchbays, and a bunch of headaches. My entire living room looked like the Indiana Jones snake pit. It hurts to even think about it. So what was I doing for the first three weeks? Soldering! What else? Nothing. Just soldiering.
Another story, which I'll get into later, is in order to install the meter bridge, I had to turn the console upside down. Of course, I had to make arrangements for my brother to come over just so we could flip the console and toss it on the couch. I asked him to pull out of all the ¼" jacks in the back. I went off and looked for a blanket to pad the console in its inverted state. Five minutes later I came back and he was STILL pulling out jacks. I'm not using all the possible inputs on the console (it has multiple inputs per channel), but I got bored counting after 140.
Lots Of Jacks
What are all these jacks? Each of the 32 channels and 8 subgroups has an TRS line input, a TRS insert, and a TRS direct out. (I'm not using the XLR ins.) That's 120 jacks. When you factor in 6 aux sends, 8 FX returns, 2-bus outs, 2-bus inserts, and whatever else I'm forgetting it doesn't take long to see why this is such a damn mess!
Pretty much every one of those 140 1/4" jacks was soldiered by myself or one of my buddies who helped. Considering I can get through about 12 of these jacks per hour, that puts this thing into a bit of scope. Each of those jacks costs $1.33 new at Redco. So there's a good $200 in 1/4" jacks. That, too, also puts this console mess in scope. Don't forget that most of these are balanced so every jack has 3 wires to soldier.
That doesn't account for the stripping, tinning, and soldering the other three wires at the patchbay end. It doesn't account for the design of the patchbay either.
Designing A Patchbay
Design? Yes, DESIGN! You do have to DESIGN a patchbay. A Comprehensive Guide To Patchbays
You can't just sort of start soldiering and hope you didn't screw up. You have to plan the thing WELL. This is the kind of planning like figuring out what you want to be when you grow up. You can't halfway start until you halfway THINK you know where you will end up.
I had planned for 3 patchbays and sort of forgot about inserts. Whoops. I hopped on the Redco website. I picked up a new patchbay, some bulk cable, and a variety of connectors. That only killed me for another $760! The puts the cable bill up to $1276. Bla!
It turned out that I needed more snakes, another patchbay (for FX Returns and such), and more connectors. That bill was $470. So that brings us to $1746. Bla! Bla!
Again, let me recap.
Things I Didn't Expect To Deal With When "Commissioning" A Console
- Taking screen door off
- Buying an expensive dolly
- Dealing with half the purchased cables being screwed up and needing re-solder
- Dumping additional $760 on wiring paraphernalia
- Dumping another $470 patchbays, jacks, and wiring
When The Console Falls Over
Of course, I already knew I had a hell of a soldering gig anyway. I planned for that. I had not planned for lateral movement in my console table design. Yup, I was sliding the console out of the way to get to the rear and the damn leg broke off. I knew my design (yes DESIGN…again) was very strong in the downforce department, but wouldn't take much from the side. Oops. So add, "Lesson in lateral table strength" to the list. (This is unacceptable for me as I've watched numerous construction documentaries on the triangle this past year.)
The good news is I was the one sliding it when she lost her leg and the console started to go. My ancestors fought off saber-tooth cheetahs so I could have that kind of in-the-clutch reflex. I managed to catch it and rig it so it wouldn't hold over while I rethought my design….again.
Note: Keep in mind that this console does not need to be "commissioned". It's a plug in and go kind of console….not too far up the food chain from a Mackie at least in terms of ease-of-installation. A console with manuals the size of a set of encyclopedias actually needs to be "commissioned". They use this term because "install" is what the guy does for your rent-to-own DVD player. Commissioning sounds more like switching Poland over to capitalism, executing the D-Day Invasion, or maybe building a damn in which at least 20 people die.
D-Day and economic switchovers are practical if you have every resource on Earth. For example, I believe it's quite common for studios with big ol' consoles to also have double doors. Not only do they have interns that COULD help, they just hire ex-linebackers and therefore don't need them. Us home recording guys, who are used to doing everything ourselves, are at a serious disadvantage with this console stuff. The jury is still out as to whether the Pyramids were built by slaves. All I know is if you want to hook up even a "practical" console, stay sane, and not ignore your website for 3 weeks, it's highly recommended that you kidnap someone from the nearby tribe and force them to do your work. Just be sure to be politically correct and exploit all races equally. SMILEY
5 Days Later
It's been five days and I'm still soldering. I did the unthinkable and blew a small fortune on Apogee converters (One Apogee AD-16x and Two Apogee DA-16x's) which require the use of db25 connectors* as opposed to the standard 1/4" and XLR cables I had made about a year ago. These look like printer cables from the old days, but allow you to send 8 balanced signals through one little jack. I could see this being helpful on some kind of live recording rig where you needed to hook 8 racks together in 12 seconds. For my much-more-set-in-stone setup it's a bit tedious. Then again, tedious has been my way of life here lately.
* Denotes foreshadowing music for next week's article.
Forgetting Everything!
Last night I fired up Cubase for the first time in two weeks. I had forgotten the shortcut key for snapping to the next bar (J). It's clear that soldiering fries the brain. Either that or a person will quickly forget their own name if they don't use it. That was a hair demoralizing. I've never went more than a week without opening Cubase. Yuck!
10 Days Later
Soldiering is finished (so I think!). I'm now in the testing phase. I installed the 2 main patchbays for the console to function and so far I've not had one bad cable. I would NOT have predicted that. The only goof up so far is 3 of the aux sends (from the console) used wires that were too short. Oops.
My meter bridge came in today. Since I have the "Pilot" version of the ATB32 (not the 2.1), it turns out I have to flip the console over. That means I have to unhook all my wiring and invite a buddy over for a while. There was a cool video on installing the ATB32 meter bridge on Youtube.
I did play around with the EQ a bit on a mix I had done a while back. Wow! I can see why Fletcher from Mercenary called this EQ "panty wetting". I can see that this console and I are going to get along just fine when I get the damn thing set up.
Not Even Necessary
The funny thing about the console is I don't NEED it. In fact, you may have read my section in Killer Home Recording: Setting Up entitled "Why You Don't NEED A Console".
The truth is, the only new, functional thing I get from the console (which I couldn't do before) other than ergonomic and aesthetic benefits is the ability to sum signals on the way in. That and I have EQ on every channel on the way in. That's it. I'm excited by this notion, but in and of itself this feature probably isn't worth all that much to most of you. Other than that, I could do pretty much everything digitally using my RME HDSP5296, Cubase 5, and a few good plugins. This includes everything from monitor sends / headphone mixes to custom volumes for each of my studio monitors (when my ruckus unit is jamming).
Update: While I could TECHNICALLY do quite a bit of this using just my RME's software, it would not be NEARLY this functional in a real situation.
Update2: Not long after the console I decided to pursue hardware synths. Those WOULD NOT be anywhere near practical without the console.
Update 3: I had no idea just how badass it really could be to sum multiple guitar mics to a single channel, EQ it, compress it, and record it to a single track. Wow!!
I want to make it clear that most of my motivation for wanting a console was convenience. I'm not expecting any life changing impact on sound quality. I'm certainly not expecting to listen back to my work in four or five years and be able to point out if a song was a pre-console mix or a post-console mix. We'll see.
2 Months Later
Drum Tracking
I love the console. I tracked the best drums of my life (in my tiny little room). Being able to EQ on the way in was outstanding. I'm not sure what it is, but for every GOOD decision you make earlier in the process, it seems to give exponential benefits later on. Adding some top end to the hi-hat is a no-brainer. I may as well get it out of the way now. I've made my views on analog EQ known.
I have to admit that I had to be very careful with the EQ choices I was making. The isolation between my control room and live room would rate dismal on the strokability scale. However, even in this totally unideal situation, I'm 100% positive the EQ made life better for me.
The full-blown patchbay setup was a mega pain, but now it takes me 10 seconds to patch in a compressor. Just for fun (and the fact I had the extra time due to the efficient setup) I tossed my Royer R121 in front of the kit at about 4′ high and crushed it to death with the Distressor. It wasn't quite like running a room mic through a Marshall Plexi, but not too far away. This ended up being the driving force of the entire session. It led to us overdubbing the cymbals, which will lead to some ultra fun mixing options. Without the console, I'm positive we would not have ended up in such a happy place. You don't need a console to record drums with no cymbals, but in this case we did. It's one of those interesting hands that life sometimes deals you.
I've not attempted to do any full-blown analog mixing. It gets crazy when you have about 1/3 the stuff you need for full-blown analog mixing and trying to do all kinda of hybrid crap with plugins here, hardware there.
I just finished mixing a project in which I summed with the console. The project was tracked about a year ago. This was the first project I had mixed using the console and UAD plugins, all in a new mixing position. Basically so much changed that it's impossible to say what the impact of the console was. All I know is it turned out fantastic. Even though this was a sludgy rock project (some of the time), it had a clarity and 3Dness to it that I haven't heard in my mixes. We got it very loud without sounding smashed and boring.
So I can't say which tools contributed to this, but I'm not giving any of them back.
Vocal tracking
The singers love zero latency. I don't think I covered it intensely enough here: Latency As Vocal Producing Obstacle Part 2. Having the hardware reverb permanently on FX Return #2 has been ultra-time saving. Direct monitoring as a default way of working can not be beat.
Fast Forward To Feb 2012
All of this was written 16 months ago. What are my thoughts on the console now? Was it worth the cash and extreme investment in time, cables, etc? Do my mixes sound w a r m and "analog"?
Tune in to this same bat channel next week.
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Stan_Halen – 02-14-2012, 01:21 AM
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Quite the Saga. I can't wait for the outcome …
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bayouland – 02-14-2012, 08:54 AM
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You are correct with you're opening statement, "Consoles are like marriage." Just like a good wife, after a while they suck less.
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vikascorleone – 02-14-2012, 09:00 AM
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Quite a write-up! This is worse than the ending of Kill Bill Vol.1. Can't wait for Vol.2!
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paul999 – 02-14-2012, 11:07 AM
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It is awesome to read another persons experience with this console insanity. In my experience I've rewired my console every 6 months to a year because I learn what I didn't like about the last set up. I'm pretty happy where I am but we'll see how long that lasts. Patch bay planning is crucial. I've spent days planning my patch bays and constantly adjust things to my "next" plan.
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m24p – 02-14-2012, 11:13 AM
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Consoles are like marriage in that everyone thinks they want one, but most aren't willing to go through the cost, effort, and emotional energy to get one working? Some of them, once you get them working, go incredibly smoothly, and others are finicky the whole time. And they help you make awesome babies/mixes. Or something.
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ritchie – 02-14-2012, 12:50 PM
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Personally, I love having lots of desks.
I have; Roland VM3100 pro w\fx , Tascan Dpm 4000, 2 x tascam dpm 8000 desks, multiple yamaha dmp 7 desks (about 6) the dmp series rack modules , the dedicated yamaha hardware controller for the dmp 7 series….
I have a yamaha desk for live gigs, (and I can also use the little digital Roland desk desk , an excellent analogue soundcraft spirit 32 x 8 x 2. which will live in the controll room along with the 2 x big tascam 8000 's.. (Yes, I know, I have enough gear for 8 x control rooms … But let me defend this terrible case of 'gear aquisition syndrome
I love real desk meters and channel solo lights and illuminated mutes and sends and channel strips that light up at night, and especially, I really love having lots of big tactile fader 'real-estate.'
Each way of working has it's uses and it's disadvantages , but personally I hate mousing around all day and additionally being forced to stare into a laptop or into multiple video monitors all day to do so on a mouse which has no 'feel at all'.
I have a laptop and an Echo firewire with mic in's and out's so if I want I can record anything anywhere with a few decent mics , but if I add a small desk and I can quickly add many mics and in my opinion much more intuitively get a 'working sound',
It is not fun for me to drag or rotate knobs on a screen on my laptop or on multiple monitors. .
For me, each mixer sounds very different and each has different uses. The mic pre-s on all ae different, as are the line and summing amps in the respective channels.) ;
The Big Tascams;
I love the summing algorithms on the tascam 8K desks.
People have said that they are better than Euphonics, and I agree. It is very easy to recall any snare room for example. Very intuitive to do 'hands on' mixdowns with real hands on multiple faders.. II can also record and automate fader events in Nuendo, and in parallel, do sample editing and mixdowns and mastering in Cool Edit pro or Sonar or Cubase SX, or whatever software I'm running. .
Having worked with jackfieds from the post office days , I would not use multiple jackfields at all. , I do not consider jackfiels useful for anything except as exhibits in museums.
Each desk has different mic and line input characteristics, each has different headrooms…
The soundcraft spirit is excellent desk for analoge mastering as well as for recording, and I love the 'musicallity' of the eq.
I have never found that mastering sound in any software (and i have a lot of software)
I do like the look of Roland Sonar X1 pro though
For me, channels should be 'played' as musical instruments maybe …
I never have that 'I'm performing a mix and I have to do it right ' feeling, with a mouse or a joystick.
I love well designed desks (be it analogue or digital desks with real knobs and faders, and of course I have decent software I, so easily have the best of both worlds. With desk/s, or minus desk and with the simplest and cleanest of front ends .. Each have their strong and weak points in signal capture and treatment.
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brandondrury – 02-14-2012, 01:12 PM
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Consoles are like marriage in that everyone thinks they want one, but most aren't willing to go through the cost, effort, and emotional energy to get one working? Some of them, once you get them working, go incredibly smoothly, and others are finicky the whole time.
…and ultimately life isn't all that different from the 8 years you lived with a girlfriend before you tied the not. This is probably the biggest issue.
, I do not consider jackfiels useful for anything except as exhibits in museums.
What's a "jackfied? That sounds like one of those UK words that us less-polite folks ditched for something more vulgar.
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rocksure – 02-14-2012, 03:00 PM
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Nice article. Look forward to reading the next installment. One slightly off the track question though. Have you ever used/heard a Trident 80 series console? I like the sound of those old Tridents, and I am wondering how the Toft compares to those. Similar or Way different? Same league or poor cousin?
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Vic Demise – 02-14-2012, 06:45 PM
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I just love the way you write about this stuff.
I feel like I lived the whole experience myself.
The fact that you just put it out there, the good and bad, the smart moves and the short-sighted decisions (live and learn stuff) really gives your articles credibility.
Face it, most people want to come off like they're totally cool and competent in everything they do, which is sort of understandable, but less than sincere.
The fact that you refuse to lie to yourself, or your readers is why I keep coming back!
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Ken J – 02-14-2012, 09:26 PM
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Since you are now somewhat experienced, I got a little solder job for you.
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Stan_Halen – 02-14-2012, 09:50 PM
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That job will take like 30 minutes, tops? (kidding)
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Alix Azoff – 02-15-2012, 02:17 AM
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Sweet ! I want an SSL and 10 years of tinkering
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Alix Azoff – 02-15-2012, 02:20 AM
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Heres the pay off
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LazyE – 02-15-2012, 02:22 AM
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Quote Originally Posted by bayouland View Post
You are correct with you're opening statement, "Consoles are like marriage." Just like a good wife, after a while they suck less.
i`d aggree with that
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Ken J – 02-15-2012, 05:24 AM
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Sweet ! I want an SSL and 10 years of tinkering
Just keep dreaming sweetly because if you get one, it could turn into a nightmare.
I posted the pictures as a joke for Brandon because of the soldering but in reality configuring any large console is a real pain in the ass. Things start out nicely but when you get into it, you find more and more things needed to be take care of.
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brandondrury – 02-16-2012, 02:30 PM
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Have you ever used/heard a Trident 80 series console? I like the sound of those old Tridents, and I am wondering how the Toft compares to those. Similar or Way different? Same league or poor cousin?
Yes, I've heard the Trident 80b on probably half the records I own….maybe 1/3. 2 of my favorite rock records (Offspring Smash and G n R Appetite) were tracked on an 80b.
I guess I really do need to give the preamps in the Toft a shot to see if they do anything interesting. As is I have 16 channels of outboard and didn't wire my setup to even use the built in pres.
As is, well you'll see in the next article. I'm absolutely POSITIVE that the Toft ATB32 is NOT anywhere close to the 80b in terms of vibe or character because the ATB32 doesn't do a whole lot. I may be doing something wrong.
Since you are now somewhat experienced, I got a little solder job for you.
Give me 15 minutes and a pound of meth and it'll be done. (Can you even buy meth by the pound? I thought it was a liquid. Maybe not.)
For some reason I was actually expecting more total hell in the back of the SSL. I guess since it's spread out over 40ft (or however long it is) it doesn't look so horrendous of a job from that angle. I'm sure if all your patchbays went to a single rack it would get CRAZYYYY in a hurry.
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Ken J – 02-17-2012, 06:32 PM
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Actually the hell begins when the logic in Solid State Logic takes a dump and isn't logical any more. Then all hell breaks loose with the programming and you don't know what you are going to get. LOL!
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Pete55 – 02-21-2012, 03:23 PM
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Quote Originally Posted by brandondrury View Post
…and ultimately life isn't all that different from the 8 years you lived with a girlfriend before you tied the not. This is probably the biggest issue.
What's a "jackfied? That sounds like one of those UK words that us less-polite folks ditched for something more vulgar.
It's what you call patchbay
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Sungoddess Studios – 02-22-2012, 11:35 AM
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There are many Items tat you can use to speed your journey along.
self centering drill bits.
screw gun bits in various shapes and sizes. 0,1,2,3, philips, various slotted, hex allen, and security
All are compatible with standard battery drills.
PS, magnets are not recommended around electronics.
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glenlata – 02-23-2012, 06:25 PM
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so um yeah, I don't think I want a console anymore, I mean I never did, but yeap now its a bet.
raqim666 – 09-19-2012, 07:50 AM
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I guess you need a console if you need some preamps… if you don't, that s just too expensive for just summing or monitoring etc…
I have 4 better pres than the ones in my trident 8t,which is like the atb I ve heard, so I use 12 preamps from the console. For 2600e 2nd hand, that s 200e per pres… good for me!
I ve compared the pres of the 8t/atb to a bunch of outboard pres:
they are as good as tlaudio white pres, spl goldmike 2
less good than ua610 or telefunken 676(of course)
they are very usable pres, with 60db of gain, and great eqs!
after I use the board to do some summing, outboard compression and eq on stems.Dont know for sure if that s improving my mixes in itself, but the workflow suits me well. Very different work from ITB.


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To adopt go to www.helptheanimalsinc.com and submit an application. Batman and his brother Robin are waiting for a place to call home. He is around 2 years old and very sweet. His adoption fee is $50. If you would like to adopt him and his brother it is still only $50 for both. This includes his neuter, vaccinations, worming and flea treatment.
To adopt one of our animals, please visit our shelter, open Tuesday-Saturday from Noon-5pm. You may also submit an application online from our website at http://www.HelpTheAnimalsINC.com or our Facebook page at http://www.facebook.com/HelpTheAnimalsInc