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Skip to comments.Divorce Rate Comparisons Between Couples Using NFP & Artificial Birth Control
Posted on 07/23/2010 8:23:53 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
Divorce Rate Comparisons Between Couples Using Natural Family Planning & Artificial Birth Control
Posted By Megan Morris On July 19, 2010 @ 2:37 pm In News & Commentary | Comments Disabled
July 19, 2010 (momslikeme.com)
Everyone would agree that divorce is the greatest tragedy that can befall a family. Wouldnt it be providential if the practice of natural family planning proves to be the authentic means to a successful marriage? Family of the Americas Foundation has just received the completed data collection of a study correlating marital happiness with the practice of Natural Family Planning (NFP). Since the early seventies, [Family of the Americas Foundation] has been conducting programs for couples that provide knowledge on the fertile and infertile phases of a womans cycle
For years we have witnessed the benefits our programs have provided to families, not only in Christian countries, but also Moslem and even communist nations. Even though numerous scientific evaluations and statistical studies have confirmed its effectiveness, even superior to artificial birth control, we have never been able to validate the incredible benefits to the family that our teachers have been observing for many years.
Last year a scientific survey was conducted under the direction of a reputable independent statistician, Dr. Robert Lerner. He is a Sociologist from the University of Chicago with a degree in Economics. The protocol stipulated that he would not only evaluate the findings, but also compare them to two of the largest U.S. government funded surveys that asked similar questions of the respondents.
The results presented from the three surveys analyzed revealed that compared to other women in general and to Catholic women of similar age, NFP users:
The Natural Family Planning group studied consists of the typical middle class families of the United States of America, primarily Catholic, with small minority of Protestant and Evangelical. From this first study, however, (others need to be conducted to confirm our findings), we can ascertain that Natural Family Planning may become the major vindicator of respecting the natural laws. It promises to be the best safeguard for the family against divorce. Divorce fractures the family and creating conflict among its members the consequences of violating the natural laws through the use of artificial birth control, sterilization and abortion usually lead to promiscuity, cohabitation and ultimately divorce.
The report confirms the practice of a natural method of conception regulation (Natural Family Planning).
This study presents results from a survey of 505 couples that have been practicing Natural Family Planning, primarily the Ovulation Method, through the teachers of Family of the Americas Foundation. They are based on the first-ever survey of its kind. It examined the types of persons and the impact learning Natural Family Planning has made in their family life, as well as sexual and moral attitudes.
More studies are appearing from around the world regarding the estrogen pollution of waterways from chemical birth control, and its adverse effects, at least on various fish populations.
Most people oppose environmental pollution, but seldom think about the chemical pollution they inflict on their own bodies.
It is well documented that long-term exposure to estrogen may have a carcinogenic effect on the human body. The World Health Organization (WHO) lists most estrogens as carcinogenic substances.
Natural Family Planning (NFP) is an all-natural, body-friendly method of avoiding or causing pregnancy through a 98% effective 3-pronged plan of fertility awareness.
For many women, being aware of the power of their fertility is a very freeing sensation, as opposed to the bondage of chemical birth control methods that suppress normal body functions
Awesome site: http://www.physiciansforlife.org/content/view/193/36/ [1]
Correlation does not equal causation.
"Family planning" is a catholic thing. I would argue that any couple that goes to church and follows their church's instructions will divorce less. This study is slanted in favor of catholics.
Is there a legitimate alternative explanation for low divorce rate among practitioners of NFP?
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Excellent! Last time I checked, the data showed around a 4% divorce rate; this is even better. And if these same folks attend daily Mass together, now or when they're older, participate in Confession and Rosary-recitation frequently, their chances of divorce are almost nil.
This is not a scientific study for causation. All this attempts to generate is religious people have a lower divorce rate.
See the graphic in post #4. Data is from a non-Catholic source.
"All this attempts to generate is religious people have a lower divorce rate."
It shows that committed couples who communicate well about their intimacy and therefore communicate well about the rest of their lives, experience a lower divorce rate.
Ok. My last sentence is wrong then. But otherwise i am still correct. All this study really says is that the ones that try the hardest not to get pregnant are the ones most likely to divorce.
"You know what you call people who practice Natural Family Planning?"
(My mom, Catholic mother of a half-dozen, to my brother, at his wedding)
You know what you call people who practice Natural Family Planning? What? Parents.Maybe they had some whooops moments, because NFP -- when followed correctly! -- is 97-99% effective.
I think there is a selectivity issue here. Those who have stable marriage, more religious, and so on, are more likely to choose NFP compared to those who don't have stable marriage or being more religious. So, it may not mean that if you use artificial birth control, you'd experience divorce, unhappiness, etc. At least, that's not a conclusion that we can draw from this data.
Very interesting!
**have a dramatically low (0.2%) divorce rate;**
This is a huge "WOW!"
Oh, really, perhaps you need to take another look/study at this chart!
blah blah. quit with the fact nonsense. I'm not here to argue facts.
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No! Divorce is not the greatest tragedy. The death of a child is the greatest tragedy. Divorce can only get second place.
I wonder if the study factored in the fact that Catholics can also get annulments, which are not the same thing as divorces and would not be counted as such. No other denomination does annulments to my knowledge.
I think it depends on your point of view.
I believe from the parents' point of view I could see them go 50-50 on it. I think for men the breakup of their family may be worse. For the mother I think death of a child would probably be.
I think from an outsider, more societal point of view, the family breakup is worse.
Would it really have needed to? I daresay most Catholics who get annulments do so because they're already divorced and want to get married again in the Catholic Church.
**I think from an outsider, more societal point of view, the family breakup is worse.**
I tend to agree with you. My mom and my daughters have expienced miscarriages/death of a child. It is heart wrenching to say the least.
But the loss of a family is community/state/nation wrenching — children have no positive model on which to base their parenting skills when a divorce occurs (provided the divorce did not happen because of abuse to the children or spouse.)
Once you have seen the look on the face of a parent at their child's funeral, you would have to agree with me.
It is only those people who are disinclined to divorce in the first place who love enough to practice NFP.
I'm not doubting what you say, I also know many dads feel like they've lost their kids (and in a sense they sure have) via divorce. They aren't in your house anymore. They aren't around. It's very much like they are gone. On top of that their mom hates you and took half or more of your stuff.
The graph is very interesting, but it doesn't say anything about the causality between using divorce rates and NFP. As I mentioned in my previous post, those who have stable marriage (i.e., less likely to get divorce) are more likely to use NFP. They are highly correlated, I believe. However, it doesn't translate to 'use NFP and you'll be more likely to have stable marriage, etc.'
nice try
Yes, I would agree that sometimes divorce does cause a portion of the child to die sometimes. And then they never recover the part that was lost.
I would say that those who want to just pop a pill to solve any problem, instead of adjusting their lifestyles are the issue. Which, IMHO, is a shallow way of solving any problem. Which is probably why those who lives are based on faith in God and have examined themselves and truly discovered the true reason they take pills(for any reason) are therefore more content in their marriages. Reasons for taking pills: convenience, promiscuity, availability, culture, resistance to change lifestyle, easy answer, peer pressure, time pressures.... Many of our current health issues are 'solved' by popping pills instead of changing behaviors.
Those are two separate things, Secret Agent Man. Annulments, actually Certificates of Nullity, refer to the Catholic marriage, which is one of the seven Sacraments. A Certificate of Nullity is given when a diocesan Tribunal determines, for various reasons, that the conditions for the marriage being sacramental did not occur. This applies in the Church, does not change legal status outside the Church. Divorce/dissolution are changes in legal status, but not recognized as such within the Church without a judgement of the type I described above. And, not trying to be too picky, strictly speaking, the Catholic Church isn't a denomination("of the name"). You are correct that none of the denominations (i.e. protestants, et al) have marriage as a sacrament in the same way, as far as I humbly know.
R E Ryder
Department of Endocrinology, Dudley Road Hospital, Birmingham. During 20-22 September Manchester is to host the 1993 follow up to last year's "earth summit" in Rio de Janeiro. At that summit the threat posed by world overpopulation received considerable attention. Catholicism was perceived as opposed to birth control and therefore as a particular threat. This was based on the notion that the only method of birth control approved by the church--natural family planning--is unreliable, unacceptable, and ineffective. In the 20 years since E L Billings and colleagues first described the cervical mucus symptoms associated with ovulation natural family planning has incorporated these symptoms and advanced considerably. Ultrasonography shows that the symptoms identify ovulation precisely. According to the World Health Organisation, 93% of women everywhere can identify the symptoms, which distinguish adequately between the fertile and infertile phases of the menstrual cycle. Most pregnancies during trials of natural family planning occur after intercourse at times recognised by couples as fertile. Thus pregnancy rates have depended on the motivation of couples. Increasingly studies show that rates equivalent to those with other contraceptive methods are readily achieved in the developed and developing worlds. Indeed, a study of 19,843 poor women in India had a pregnancy rate approaching zero. Natural family planning is cheap, effective, without side effects, and may be particularly acceptable to the efficacious among people in areas of poverty.
Its a chicken-and-egg argument. In some cases, couples practice NFP because of a deep preexisting commitment to Christian principles.
In some cases, couples practice NFP because of baser motives (couples where the wife almost died from blood clots from the Pill, for instance.)
The deeply committed couples are drawn to NFP, but NFP itself does indeed build relationships and helps them grow deeper.
And last but not least, it is a sacrifice to practice NFP, and God provides Grace to those couples willing to make that sacrifice out of love for Him and His Natural Law.
That Grace builds and saves marriages.
We taught NFP for ten years, and used it briefly when we had grave reason for recourse to it (the only circumstances where NFP is morally licit, as the Church teaches.)
I can state unequivocally that the communication required to successfully practice NFP builds stronger marriages. I saw it in our own marriage, and witnessed it in the dozens of couples we taught over the years.
That will naturally help prevent divorce.
I posted my mom's humorous observation as an anecdotal 'first person' response to NFP. Granted her experience was 50 years ago.
But even in your reply, the quoted piece says, ' 93% of women everywhere can identify the symptoms', the implication is that 7% cannot identify symptoms. Allowing for errors (if we generously say 3%), that means a one-in-ten failure rate. Given the stakes (a human life) I think that that's a risky game to be playing.
But the bottom line is that it is open to Life, and therefore far more open to God's Will. Especially when compared to barrier and hormonal contraceptives!
In comparison, all barrier methods have a 5 to 15% failure rate and even the Pill is no better than NFP. The Pill and all other hormonal contraceptives are abortifacient, and therefore verboten to any committed Christian, and barrier methods are much less effective than NFP.
So where's the debate for a committed Christian?
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Oh, I missed that. "Her experience" likely refers to the rhythm method then, not NFP. No comparison.
Most pregnancies during trials of natural family planning occur after intercourse at times recognised by couples as fertile...Indeed, a study of 19,843 poor women in India had a pregnancy rate approaching zero.
If poor illiterate women in India can achieve a failure rate approaching zero, think what educated motivated Americans could do.
By the way, I don't like referring to pregnancy while using NFP as a "failure." I see it as God's Will for that couple at that time in their life.
I may be wrong but I believe in order to petition for an annulment in the Catholic Church one must already be civilly divorced.
I have 3 children, and cringe at the thought of losing any of them, naturally. I would think that it would definitely leave a deep wound and that a scar would remain on the family even after the wound healed. The loss of that child would always be felt, even if the pain is in the background.
However, divorce is the family killer! I have seen that within my own family. The repercussions are endless to all family members, including the extended family. It's worse than a rock being thrown in a pound that causes a ripple effect. I equate it to a fault line under the water that moves constantly causing tsunamis. Some of the tsunamis aren't major, but there is always a huge tsunami threatening on the horizon. The pain just does not end.
But divorce is itself a grave violation of Natural Law. The temporal consequences of gravely violating Natural Law will always be more damaging to the family unit.
I do wish that people would take the Sacrament of Marriage more seriously. Failure is not an option. It is a "permanent" commitment. It is just not looked at that way. That is the root of the problem!
I am glad to here about the "positive" results of NFP, but I do not think that I understand the concept. Is the goal to not have a child? I have read through some of the posts in this thread and it appears that a child is equated to a failure, this does not appear to line up with "children are an heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the womb is his reward". Why work against God's reward?
Like I said, I may not understand the concept...My wife and I were told we would not have children by three different doctors and after leaving it in God's hands we now have seven, and will accept more if it is God's will.
I agree, see my post # 38. I stated,
By the way, I don't like referring to pregnancy while using NFP as a "failure." I see it as God's Will for that couple at that time in their life.
Thank you for your reply. I think I have a better understanding of NFP now and would agree with what you have described. I myself have never even considered "timing" things to even know when my wife would be fertile...but then again the doctors tell me she is not fertile...except for the seven children...
God bless
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Richard Nye
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Username: Yeasty_boy
Post Number: 349
Registered: 01-2004
Posted on Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 02:55 pm:
I read with interest Bill Pierce's recent article in BYO on yeast storage. Bill very clearly wrote about two methods to store yeast. The first in on agar plates stored in the refrigerator for a few months, and the second is frozen in a glycerin solution for a year or more. Each method has it's pros and cons the way I see it.
During my holiday time off I want to get my yeast in order, and set up many strains for long term storage. Bill's article reminded me of a method I read about in "First Steps in Yeast Culture" by Pierre Rajotte.
Pierre talks about a method we brewers can use to store yeast for the rest of our lives in the basement!!
Basically you make a 10% sterile sucrose solution and pour 10ml into test tubes with screw on caps. You take an inoculation loop full of actively fermenting wort and put it in the test tube sucrose solution and cap it tight.
When you're ready to make a starter, scrape some of the yeast cells off the wall of the test tube and add a loop full of sucrose/yeast solution to 10ml of wort. Then grow your starter up like normal.
Pierre said the drawback to this method is you must keep the test tubes vertical, and the 10ml starters can take 4 days the get active.
Does anybody use this method? I've been storing my yeast on slants, but I'd like a longer term storage solution.
Richard Nye
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Username: Yeasty_boy
Post Number: 354
Registered: 01-2004
Posted on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 02:00 pm:
I want to bring this thread (if you call one post a thread) up to the top again. What do you all think of this yeast storage method? Do you think it will work (Fredrik?)? Apparently it's used in Europe by commercial brewers more than the US.
Bill Pierce
Username: Billpierce
Post Number: 1434
Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 02:24 pm:
I don't have any experience with that particular method. However, I don't see any reason not to try it if it interests you.
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Username: Fredrik
Post Number: 1837
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 03:53 pm:
I have just started my yeast storage testing myself so can't offer much sensible input...
But I suspect though that enough cells can survive for a really long time with a range of different storage methods, probably longer than one may think! But the fewer viable cells you have, the harder is it to revive it, and the greater chance of reviving bacterial contaminations too. My frozen yeast got going after a few days, which got me gladly suprised. I had prepared myself to wait much longer if necessary. Even after moderate storage the viability may suck as compared to what we are used to but that is not an issue as long as we have a few cells that survives.
I am not sure what the method you mention suggests, cap tubes tight while the yeast is fermenting and add sucrose?? Anyway, my guess is that you can do it in many ways more than a year. I think some good things except for beeing anal about sterilization, is to make sure the yeast is in top shape before storing it, add yeast nutritions, and make sure it's not exhausted just cominig from a long fermentation and take precautions to not expose the yeast to oxygen during storage or prior to storage without in the presence of wort. It clearly doesn't make much sense to store yeast that's already crappy at the point of entering storage. They need all the health they can get to stay alive for years without food.
I hope to some more fridge tests eventuelly and then I would make sure to have no headspace, or at least make sure there is no oxygen in the headspace. Also I would prepare the yeast in a very low gravity culture, with extra additions of nutritions, to make sure it's stuffed with everything good before entering long term storage.
About which method is "best" I don't even have any speculations at this point. I think there are many methods that are probably "good enough", all you want is to be able to revive the population and stay away from bacteria, wether the viability is 10% or 0.01% hardly matters from a functional point of view, except it may be more or less difficult to revive it and any bacteria contaminations may become relatively more important.
If you try it report the results.
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Username: Fredrik
Post Number: 1838
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 04:20 pm:
I think there may be different strategies depending on the target storage time and how you intend to store it. If you can slowly feed the yeast during the storage, it will no run out of energy which is good (it will keep the viability up longer), on the other hand, deeply dormant cells are supposed to be more resistant to various shocks, an actively fermenting cell may more easily die from a heat shock as compare to a dormant cell. Dormant cells are more "rugged". I don't know what the preferrable tradeoff is, more testing may be needed.
Richard Nye
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Username: Yeasty_boy
Post Number: 355
Registered: 01-2004
Posted on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 05:18 pm:
I will be trying this method because it seems simple and yeast can be stored under various storage conditions for decades. I'll report my results in a few months. Keeping the solution sterile is probably the biggest difficulty.
Wouldn't it be great to have a bank of 15 or 20 strains of yeast that will last decades? WOW!
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Username: Davidw
Post Number: 771
Registered: 03-2001
Posted on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 05:41 pm:
Richard: I purchased Rajotte's book several years ago and have used this method of storing yeast sucessfully.
That said I don't find myself doing it much anymore. What I found was that the time it takes to build up a population of yeast from such a small sample added to the cost of DME to make the starter really doesn't make it any more economical than simply purchasing a pitchable tube or smack pack and pitching either of those into a half a gallon starter. A couple days later I've got a good, viable, pitchable quantity of yeast. That verses a week to ten days building up a population from a small number of cells, making a 10 ml starter, then a pint, a quart, then half gallon. Again, it's a considerable amount of time and money spent.
Economics aside, if your goal is to simply have a variety of yeast strains on hand in storage then this is a good option vs. messing with slants or glycerin.
When I started doing this I desired having several strains on hand. I'd get a new strain, make a starter, then using this method would innoculate 3 or 4 tubes and put them in the fridge. I built up quite the collection. But as mentioned above I found that it was much easier to simply purchase new yeast and go from there. I actually still have a couple vials of Wyeast 1028 in the fridge that must be (at least) 3 years old. I keep telling myself when I find the time I need to pull one out and see if it is still viable.
Again, it goes back to if you're interested in doing it, go for it. You don't really save yourself any money or time for your effort. But it is fun to have a large number of strains available.
Craig Johnson
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Username: Californiacraig
Post Number: 294
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 08:31 pm:
I use the sucrose solution for my yeast. It works very well for me. I twill take a week and a half to get a proper starter going. The biggest problem is that on occasion I have streaked a plate and nothing grew and I had to restreak and wait another weekfor results.
Vance Barnes
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Username: Vancebarnes
Post Number: 1250
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 08:44 pm:
David pretty much nailed my thoughts. I used to use nothing but yeast slants from the YCK in Michigan. Seemed the natural thing to do after years of working in labs during college and after. Then things got busy and WL came out with their so-called "pitchable tubes" and I've never brewed from a slant since. Seems like I can never plan my brewing schedule 2 weeks out. If I can get to the LHBS by Wed and get a starter going for a Fri or Sat brewday I'm doing good.
Denny Conn
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Username: Denny
Post Number: 3933
Registered: 01-2001
Posted on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 08:49 pm:
SAme here...I used to have a really large yeast ranch. Now, the only thing on slant is CL50, because that's the only way I can get it. If I run across other strains I like that are slant only, I'll do the same with them. But anything I can buy in a tube, I will.
LIfe begins at 60...1.060, that is.
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Username: Danno
Post Number: 573
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 09:39 pm:
After trying a number of methods, my preference is for the Rajotte method but with wort. I'm left with about 3ml of spent wort with a thin film of yeast on the bottom. I shake up the yeast, use a pipette to remove most of it and then add back fresh, oxygenated, wort.
Richard Nye
Intermediate Member
Username: Yeasty_boy
Post Number: 357
Registered: 01-2004
Posted on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 11:14 pm:
danno, how long with the yeast last that way? Also, do you leave the cap on loose? What size container is the 3ml of wort in?
My LHBS doen't stock that much yeast so many times I'll have to order it from him in advance. I also find yeast from a slant gives me faster starts than from a smack pack given the same size starter.
Craig Johnson
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Username: Californiacraig
Post Number: 295
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 06:49 am:
If I go from a fresh slant I can step up pretty quickly and have a decent starter (1.5 liter) in three days.
A few times when I have been delayed a week or two I crash cooled my starter. On brew day I decant the liquid off of the starter and replace with fresh wort. By the time I am ready to pitch, my starter is already very active. My lag times are generaly under six hours.
Advanced Member
Username: Danno
Post Number: 574
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 01:58 pm:
I haven't tested the longevity beyond 6 months. ABout every 6 months, I drain the spent wort and refill each with fresh, oxygenated wort. I let them sit out at 65F for about three days with the cap screwed tight. I burp them (loosen the caap to relieve the pressure) and them put the m back in the fridge for another 6 months.
I have used the snap on caps but the pressures blows that seal too often. I've been using a plastic vial with screw on caps.
Vance Barnes
Senior Member
Username: Vancebarnes
Post Number: 1254
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 04:25 pm:
danno, when you drain the spent wort, the fresh wort just gets inoculated from the yeast left in the vial?
Rob Farrell
Username: Robf
Post Number: 200
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 06:44 pm:
Fredrik, this one's for you:
Any scientific types will appreciate this presentation of data on yeast aging and longevity. Google Scholar is pretty cool for us geeky types. Based on this article I will consider harvesting yeast from the secondary rather than the primary. As I read it, the last to settle are the youngest, with more life cycles left in them.
Senior Member
Username: Fredrik
Post Number: 1854
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 06:52 am:
Rob, that's a very good article
I've seen that before. I don't remember if it is in that article but though there is a kind of rough genetic limit how many cell divitions a single cell can live through, in a beer fermentation there is so much stress that the cells typically doesn't get near this limit. If you want to see a cell live as long or near this limit I suspect you probably have to set up a controlled low stress fermentation in some lab setup.
In brewing I think they die from stress and irreparale cell damage rather than hitting the age limit as such.
Apart from possibly getting rid of some trub and junk, I'd personally prefer a mixed sample with a representative age distribution.
At any point the nature of the age distribution means that if you take a typical representative mixed sample 90% of all cells are either virgins, or have budded at most 2 times. These are young. The really old cells are very small % of the population anyway, and I think there are greater risks than benefits with selecting the yeast in a certain ways. I would be worried about for example flocculation selection if I repeatadle selected secondary yeast.
As I understand, due to the nature of age distribution in yeast, there is a relation between typical actual maximum lifetime and viability of a continous culture ay any time. Once can conclude that if the yeast lived even near the theoretical maximum limit, the viability would be 99.99% or something like that @ EOF. I am quite sure this is not the case. I measured the viability once and though I can't give you decimals I'd say even accounting for my errors the viability was absolutely not higher than say 99% (it was less! though >95%). This directly sets the single cell average lifetime before death to around 5-6 generations, whil the theoretical limit is expected to be maybe around 30.
Rob Farrell
Username: Robf
Post Number: 202
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 02:07 pm:
Good point. When reading these type of articles one has to keep in mind that these studies are done in ideal laboratory conditions, while our brewing in certainly less than ideal. If the yeast are not surviving past 5 cycles in my basement, harvesting for youth is not as compelling. I've never harvested from the secondary because I'm a bottler and flocculation is important to me. Are the yeast in the secondary less flocculent or just the offspring of yeast that were younger and smaller (and thus suspended) at the time of racking?
Senior Member
Username: Fredrik
Post Number: 1857
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 02:55 pm:
> Are the yeast in the secondary less flocculent
> or just the offspring of yeast that were
> younger and smaller (and thus suspended) at the
> time of racking?
I would think that in general it may be both, depending on when you rack, and the strain etc. Also I suspect that some of that very last settlers are also some dead cells. Dead cells are bound to have a disfunct flocc mechanism. I read a test when clearing time is related to viability. More dead cells require slightly longer clearingtime as they dead cells doesn't flocc properly. I am not sure exactly what is happening but the potential hazard for selecting less flocculant strans if you consistent resuse only secondary yeast is I think clear. I think the age profile is good enough as is, and there is not much point in trying to manipulated it. The only point I see is removing trub and junk.
Rob Farrell
Username: Robf
Post Number: 203
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 05:57 pm:
So it seems that racking early, such as just upon the kreuzen falling, would separate the trub and junk while capturing flocculent cells. I'll aim for that next brew, although I'll have to break my habit of doing all my brewing tasks on weekends.
Chris Bodley
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Username: Cincichris
Post Number: 6
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Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 06:14 pm:
Pardon my ignorance but I don't understand why one couldn't merely have a number of yeast starters that you would keep in a cool / dark place. I usually use the same strain at least a few times. I take the yeast from the secondary and introduce it to a small amt of sterile wort - put it in a beaker w/ an airlock. I've had great success so far & I've done this for a few years. However, I've never used the same strain more than 5 or so times.
My experiences have resulted in good beer - do you think this is a bad practice?
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Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 06:22 pm:
Anything that results in good beer is good practice. Practices can be improved, leading to geeky discussions about an article in a microbiology journal. For some, brewing good beer is enough, others have to delve into science and engineering.
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Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 04:14 pm:
Chris, not a bad practice and similar to what many here do. I don't always do the same thing when re-using yeast. Sometimes I pitch on a yeast cake, sometimes collect the yeast to a sanitized jar and put in the fridge, sometimes pitch that directly, or if its more than 2 weeks old make a starter or sometimes 2 starters if it's a 10 gal batch.
All of that would be considered short term storage though. Slants or the method discussed here with the tubes would be considered long term storage. > a month and up to a year or more.
Useing the yeast no more than 5 times should be fine unless a brew is high gravity which stresses the yeasties.

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2 Bone-in skin-on chicken breasts patted dry with paper towels
1 large or 2 med sweet potatoes peeled and cut into chunks
2 Tab. cooking oil (I use coconut oil)
1 Tab. Butter
Sea Salt and Pepper
Heat oven to 375 degrees
(I brine the chicken in a bowl with salt, garlic powder and apple cider vinegar for about an hour. You don't have to do that but I really love how juicy the chicken comes out when I do this)
In a heavy skillet (I used an enamel covered cast iron. But any skillet that can go in the oven will do) heat the oil and the skillet to medium heat.
Season chicken with salt and pepper.
Place chicken in skillet skin side down and add the butter, brown till the skin is desired color
(About 8-10 min)
Once brown put chicken on a plate and set aside.
Toss sweet potatoes in oil, butter and chicken drippings till well coated add more salt and pepper.
Cook for about 5 minutes till a little brown.
Arrange in bottom of skillet and add chicken back to skillet, skin side up. and place in oven for about 30 to 40 minutes till chicken is desired doneness.
Toss the sweet potatoes in a tablespoon of brown sugar if you like before serving.
***Another variation of this recipe is to use carrots and yukon gold potatoes instead of sweet potatoes.
Serve with a salad and call it delicious!
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|Thursday, February 7th Daily Discussion
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|Feb 7 2013, 01:20 PM Post #21
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|I'm not sure what's going on in the writers' room, but the day-to-day breakdowns for these most recent episodes are fabulous. Everything just seems to flow together in ways that are far less jarring than they used to be. It wasn't so long ago that you'd have 1 story 1 day, another story the next day, and NO ONE or NO story managed to bleed over from episode to episode. Lately, however, it seems those episode transitions are seamless (which is at it should be). IMO, it makes for a much more engaging show.
|BJ Deveraux
|Feb 7 2013, 01:20 PM Post #22
Is it bad that I like when Dannifer is on so I can make fun of them? That shade of yellow is horrendous on her and I have seen better make up on a corpse. The hair, no comment needed. Comments are saved for the rare occasions when her hair looks good.
Sami, you DO know more about paternity tests than anyone. This is one time when mother knows best!
Chloe and Lucas look so pretty together. But Chloe looks pretty with anyone...
Edited by BJ Deveraux, Feb 7 2013, 01:22 PM.
|Feb 7 2013, 01:21 PM Post #23
|it only bad time we see now jennifer
|Feb 7 2013, 01:24 PM Post #24
|Why is Dan treating Jennifer like she's a virgin? Hasn't she slept with 5 men?
|Feb 7 2013, 01:24 PM Post #25
|ruin their date chloe already
|Feb 7 2013, 01:26 PM Post #26
|spy nick
|Feb 7 2013, 01:26 PM Post #27
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|hahaha. Will to EJ: "I understand what you're saying... well, I understand most of it..."
|Feb 7 2013, 01:26 PM Post #28
Ooh, Ericole tension.
Daniel, Parker can't hear his heart because I'm pretty sure he's a puppet, not a real boy.
I like they are driving the continued theme that Rafe loved a version of Sami that doesn't really exist.
And another reference to Gabi's crimes. I like how they keep this thread alive. CM is doing great with this material today.
Where is Nick shopping - SpiesRUs?
|Feb 7 2013, 01:27 PM Post #29
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|I love how they keep reminding us that while a LOT of people know that Gabi is guilty of something major, not a whole lot of people know what that actually is.
|Feb 7 2013, 01:27 PM Post #30
|I actually own a pen kind of like Nick's, LOL. I used it to take notes in college. Score one for Days' realism...surprisingly.
|Feb 7 2013, 01:27 PM Post #31
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|Why is Parker still at home & not in 5th period pre-Calc at Salem High with the rest of the boys his size?
|Feb 7 2013, 01:29 PM Post #32
Today's breakdown is FLAWLESS. The episode is perfectly cohesive and stories are crossing over constantly.
|Feb 7 2013, 01:29 PM Post #33
i wish i knew where to find this kind of pen when i was in school
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|Feb 7 2013, 01:33 PM Post #34
|no nicole do not do this
|Miss Rhi
|Feb 7 2013, 01:34 PM Post #35
|Jen emotionally blackmailing Nicole.... :sarclap:
|Feb 7 2013, 01:34 PM Post #36
LOL at Chloe. Apparently Parker's connection to Dan is so flimsy that he may have to totally rebuild it if he's gone for one day, but yet Parker misses him so much when he's gone. Alrighty then, Chloe.
So Nicole has to betray her friend Chloe because she owes Jen? Um, that's just weird, Jen.
|Feb 7 2013, 01:38 PM Post #37
|Sorry Jen. Nicole doesn't have to do a damn thing you say.
|Feb 7 2013, 01:39 PM Post #38
Ugh Jen really?? You expect Nicole to throw Chloe under the bus for you?? Jeez what a princess.
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|Feb 7 2013, 01:39 PM Post #39
|lucas and eric
|Feb 7 2013, 01:41 PM Post #40
OMG now Lucas and Eric?!!! Awesome! =) And some Lucas and Nicole history referenced - nice!
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Gaining Weight by eating junk food
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If you aren't gaining weight by eating healthy, I would just increase the amount of healthy calories you eat every day.
Here is some information I found on About.com:nutrition..
What to Eat to Gain Weight Increasing your intake of junk foods and greasy foods is not a good way to gain weight. Junk foods usually contain unhealthy trans fats or saturated fats. Even though you need to increase your calorie consumption to gain weight, those calories should come from foods that are good for you. Healthy fats include omega-3 essential fatty acids sources like tuna, salmon, flax, and walnuts. Good sources of protein include lean meats, fish, poultry, nuts, seeds and legumes. Healthy carbohydrate sources include fruits, vegetables and whole grains. It may be easier to eat five or six smaller balanced meals per day rather than eating three large meals, especially if you are not used to eating much at one sitting. Protein powders and nutritional supplement drinks such as Ensure can be added as in-between meal snacks if you still need more calories. Some protein powders are flavored and only need added water and some others can be blended with your choice of juice or milk to improve the taste. It would be a healthy idea to add a small amount of flax seed oil and some psyllium powder to add some omega-3 essential fatty acids and extra fiber.
Dietary Supplements and Gaining Weight A good quality multivitamin and mineral supplement is a good idea to make sure you are getting all of the vitamins and minerals you need. Some people find that their muscle mass increases with protein supplements that contain certain blends of amino acids such as creatine and glutamine. Some people who are very ill may need liquid nutritional preparations that are available through their doctors. Resistive Exercise to Gain Weight Exercise is also important. Resistance training like lifting weights will help to increase muscle mass and may be a better choice rather than aerobic training, which is better suited to fat loss. Resistance training can be done at a health club, gym or at home with the proper equipment.
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ok,ok, dont scare yourself back into the hole (the 'hole of death' as i call it) my cardologist, gp and mother (who is studying to be a doctor) all say yeah eat healthy meals but if eating sweets a) reconnects you to food b) you enjoy it and c)gives you calories and weight gain then why not? my cardio (mum and i call him mr.'all-fat-good-fat') told me to eat anything and everything, he stressed carbs, protien and fats(telling me ALL fats even those labelled 'bad' are deprived of in an anorexic's body and are GOOD-and tasty :P). The only real problem with unhealthier stuff is lack of nutrients which you probably lack yourself, so nutritious foods are important, to support and feed your bodies needs. but (in my opinion remembering im only 14) if you eat a diet of a normal healthy person - healthy breakfast,lunch and dinner - your snacks should be allowed to be 'junk'; your getting the nutrients for a body to function plus adding weight. i was 88 now 95 eating 3000cals, a bit more junk than i think i should be, my mums only problem with that is not enough veggies and i feel too guilty all the time. my only concern is i will develop bad habbits, if you ave enough will-power to maintain a healthy diet your fine, if not learn to ONCE youhave gained weight, the longer you wait the more damage done.
my doc said no exercise until 100lb, once i have strength so if urs says so ignore me, how much do you weigh? even if your a little underweight there are no unwanted fats, foods or nutrients you body NEEDS it, every person ive met in recovery says dont limit or even think about saturated fats, or any food for that matter.
if your wondering "wheres the catch" well, too much sodium (salt) makes your body hold onto water a bit more, so you'll bloat and gain water weight easy, which subsides easily over time and can be stopped by drinking lotsa water, nothing to worry about though.
if your still on the fence about recovery please message me.
Hello there!
First of all, well done on looking to gain weight for your health, for whatever purpose - whether recovery from an eating disorder, a fast metabolism, or just wanting to put a little on. The dangers of being underweight are numerous and so I congratulate you on wanting to get healthier. Now, I remember when I began recovery, and all I could think was: "Goodness, I'm going to have to eat so much cake" because I honestly couldn't think of good foods to eat to get my calories up! Fast forward to the future, and I am having to average about 3000-4000 calories a day - while still eating 90% clean.
Eating good foods to gain weight isn't as tricky as it sounds. Your new friends will be in high-calorie, low-density foods. These are exactly as the name states: food smaller in size compared to their calorie content. Kaym22 listed some very good examples, but to reiterate:
(The items underlined are veggie friendly (although not neccessarily vegan friendly!))
Example Sources of EFAs, or essential fatty acids:
Oily fish - eg salmon, pilchard, mackerel
Seeds - eg sunflower, flax, pumpkin
Nuts - eg walnuts, almonds
Nut butters - eg peanut, cashew, almond
Oils - eg extra virgin olive oil, flaxseed oil, rapeseed (canola) oil - there is a massive list of EFAs in oils here. http://efaeducation.nih.gov/sig/esstable1.htm l
Example Sources of Proteins:
Oily fish - eg salmon, pilchard, mackerel
Red meats - eg beef, lamb
White meats - eg chicken, turkey
Legumes, pulses - eg chickpeas, beans of all types, lentils
Seeds - eg sunflower, flax, pumpkin
Nuts - eg walnuts, almonds
Nut butters - eg peanut, cashew, almond
Certain grains - eg quinoa, oats
Soy - eg tofu, soy beans, soy derived products
Dairy - (when gaining, opt for whole fat) eg cheese, milk, ice cream
Example Sources of Healthy Carbohydrate:
Wholegrains - eg oats, whole grain bread, brown rice, quinoa, corn (to name just a few!)
Starchy vegetables - eg sweet potato (or yam), other variations of potato, radishes
Fruits - eg bananas, apples, pears, berries, plums, peaches, pineapple
Dried fruits - (particularly useful for gainers) eg figs, dates, prunes, apricots, raisins and sultanas
Other natural sugar sources - eg honey
You also want to make sure you are getting plenty of fibre, though this is usually easily done by eating a well balanced diet. I would suggest staying away from gainer formulas as they are NOT neccessary - it is much easier and generally better to make your own smoothies! And, while you really ought to not worry so much about numbers as you will be getting more of eat food group with a higher intake, do still monitor your salt if you can.
To aid in your gaining, try weight lifting and resistance exercises. This will help you build muscle and is much more productive than cardiovascular exercise, which can actually be counter-productive. Yoga and pilates may also be beneficial, though they can be more of a personal choice. For advice on routines and general help with fitness try the Fitness forum.
But remember! Moderation is key. Remember to let yourself have treats once in a while during your gaining route as, just as eating all junk can be bad, so can eating entirely clean and not indulging a little once in a while! You can have your cake and eat it too. ;]
I hope this is helpful. If you have any more questions, please ask! :D Good luck!
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Daily spoilers
Monday, June 15th
Rafe tells Arianna that Grace is Sami's biological daughter; Arianna and Brady run into each other at the Kiriakis mansion; Nicole panics; Philip asks Stephanie to lie to Hope and Bo.
Tuesday, June 16th
The DiMera family and the Kiriakis family decide to call a truce; Stephanie has a vision about Owen; Melanie gets an offer from Max; Brady lays into Nicole.
Wednesday, June 17th
Kate looks into Daniel's ex-wife's death; Chloe has a fantasy about Daniel; Stephanie makes a discovery; Melanie makes a new acquaintance.
Thursday, June 18th
Will turns his back on Sami; Nicole feels guilty; Hope and Bo reminisce about Zack; Maggie introduces her grandson to Melanie.
Friday, June 19th
E.J. tries to get temporary full custody of Johnny; Bo lays into Rafe; Mia is tormented by Kinsey; Melanie tells Max that she wants to stay in Salem.
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EJ plans revenge.
Steph is asked to lie.
Max requests that Melanie go with him.
Kate digs into Daniel's ex.
Weekly Summary
DAYS OF OUR LIVES: With the DiMeras ready to end the feud, Stephanie agreed to Philip's request and didn't tell the police about EJ's role in her abduction. Stephanie later found a note Philip was hiding and learned what he's keeping from her. A panicked Nicole acted surprised when EJ revealed that he's Grace's father. EJ served Sami with papers that gave him temporary custody of Johnny. Max offered Melanie the chance to move to London but she declined after being smitten with Maggie's grandson, Nathan, a med school graduate working at the hospital. Mia freaked when she saw Chad. Kate's thirst for revenge led her to examine information about the death of Daniel's ex-wife Rebecca.
Coming: Chad's not about to let Mia forget him.
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Rafe tells Arianna surprising news; Will reacts to the twist of events; Victor tells Philip that the DiMeras are ready to end the feud.
The Kiriakis and DiMera families call a truce; Stephanie has a startling vision; Max offers Melanie a chance to move to London.
Kate plots revenge against Daniel and Chloe; Chloe makes a confession to Father Matt; Stephanie finds out Philip is hiding from her.
Will turns his back on a friend; Kinsey tells Mia of an old friend from Salem West; Maggie introduces Melanie to her grandson.
EJ serves Sami with papers; Bo gives Rafe an earful; Mia returns to work.
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The Week of June 15:
Max says bye to Stephanie and warns her about Philip. Will she listen?
EJ serves Sami with papers granting him full custody of Johnny.
In anger, Will tells Sami he's moving in with his grandma, Caroline.
Rafe tells Arianna about Sami being Grace's biological mom.
Wednesday June 17:
Nathan Horton, Melissa and Pete's son and Maggie's grandson comes to Salem and University Hospital as an intern. We'll see him paired with Melanie.
Thursday June 18:
Fans will see a Boston Red Sox player in the background of Java Cafe today. See comings and goings for more on that.
Stefano reminds Nicole why she must keep her secret.
Friday June 19:
Mia comes face to face with her past when Chad, Mia's ex-beau arrives to Salem. He doesn't know Mia had a baby!
- EJ plans his revenge against Sami.
- Stephanie is asked to lie to Bo and Hope.
- Kate learns about Daniel's ex-wife Rebecca.
- Philip asks Steph to lie to Bo and Hope.
- The Kiriakis and DiMera families call a truce.
- Kate digs up information on Daniel's ex-wife.
- Chloe makes a confession to Father Matt.
- Melanie is intrigued by Nathan, the new intern.
- An angry Will tells Sami he's moving out.
Tuesday, June 16th: Max says goodbye to Steph and warns her about Philip.
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Monday, June 15th
Rafe tells Arianna about Sami being Grace's biological mom; EJ tells Nicole some news about Grace; Victor informs Philip the DiMeras are ready to end the feud; Philip asks Stephanie to lie to Bo and Hope.
Tuesday, June 16th
Max tells Stephanie good-bye and warns her about Philip; the Kiriakis and the DiMeras call a truce; Stephanie has a vision of Owen; Nicole runs into Brady at the Java Café and he lays into her.
Wednesday, June 17th
At the hospital, Melanie runs into a new intern named Nathan; Kate plots her revenge against Chloe and Daniel; Chloe makes a confession to Father Matt; Stephanie finds out what Philip is hiding from her.
Thursday, June 18th
Stefano reminds Nicole why she must keep her secret; in anger, Will tells Sami he's moving in with Grandma Caroline; Bo and Hope take some time to remember Zack; Kinsey tells Mia she ran into an old friend from Salem West.
Friday, June 19th
Mia comes face-to-face with her past; EJ serves Sami with papers granting him full custody of Johnny; Melanie tells Max what she's decided; Stephanie gives EJ a piece of her mind.
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'Arrow' Review: Oliver Faces Major Threat In 'The Scientist'
Mid-season finales are a recent trend that I don't really like. Executives should trust that its audience members are smart enough to know a winter hiatus will end in January. Episodic television has delivered finale-type episodes since before 'mid-season finale' became a buzzword. The writers ensured fans would want more in the New Year. A series that did nothing for nine episodes will deliver a cliff-hanger in the tenth episode just in time for the holidays. "The Scientist" is part one in a two part episode that's probably best reviewing as a whole, but I write weekly reviews so that's out.
"The Scientist" builds to a climax that puts Oliver in peril, which is usually the design of the first part of a two-parter. Did Buffy or Angel ever win the day at the end of the first episode of a two-parter? No. Did Dawson and Joey have sex at the end of a first part? Well, yes, they actually did, and then Joey dealt with the fallout of sending an e-mail to her entire school, or something. This episode throws so much into the narrative and at the audience. Moira threatens Malcom with Ra's Al-Ghul after he threatens her should she decline telling Thea the identity of her true personal Daddy. Oliver deals with the newest threat that's an unstoppable force because of an Ivo serum and loses, ending up poisoned by it. Barry Allen comes to town! Brother Blood continues to mess people's nonsense up. On the island Oliver, Shadow and Sara race to save Slade's life but end up killing him (or so it seems—there's no way he's actually dead).
I like the episodes when Oliver's facing a major threat while juggling familial and professional obligations. Yeah, Oliver basically does that on a weekly basis, but it's rarely as grand and epic as the first episode suggests the two-parter will be. The investigation into the super-powered behemoth that can punch through titanium and carry large blocks of concrete leads to Oliver telling Diggle and Felicity more about his time on the island to which Felicity remarks, at the story's conclusion, "I wish you were marooned in Aruba." Oliver knows what he's dealing with but is still powerless. One suspects Slade is involved in the super-powered behemoth thing. The affects of the serum without a sedative were unknown. Roy and Sin found their friend's corpse. Police concluded he died. Oliver sees a photo and says, "Keep away from him." Initially, the line seems to suggest that one can get infected from the blood from the victim's eyes, but I think Oliver means blood from the eyes means a transition is happening and Roy and Sin will want to keep away before their friend snaps their necks.
Oliver's reluctant to tell Diggle and Felicity what he knows. The last time he withheld information was when Sara returned to Starling City. Whenever the island comes to him in Starling City he tries to handle it himself. Oliver, though, has grown as a friend and hero. Diggle and Felicity can help without being put in danger and anyone within 50 feet of that beast is in danger. Earlier this season, Sara asked Oliver what happened to Slade. Yes, Slade's very much alive, and what's going on seemingly involves him. We learn from Oiver's story that Ivo's dead and all those who took the serum are dead, which then eliminates Slade. Arrow brings every character back, though. I'm waiting for Tommy to rise up and tell all astonished parties, "I got better." Brother Blood is pushing the serum around town, I know, but he's a character with little definition. Christopher Nolan's Scarecrow was not frightening because of the mask. Blood Brother only has the mask at this point.


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By Anthony Crupi on Jun. 7, 2013 - 8:35 AM EDT
As FX Networks prepares to launch a new standalone comedy channel, CEO John Landgraf has elevated three of his lieutenants to the rank of president. FX veterans Nick Grad and Eric…
Chris Bosh Has a Media Plan
Better than yours
By Emma Bazilian on Apr. 25, 2013 - 11:24 PM EDT
Age 29 Accomplishments Power forward-center for the Miami Heat, currently the defending NBA champions (currently in the first round of the playoffs); eight-time NBA All-Star; gold medalist at the 2008 Summer…
The Americans Bows to 3.2 Million Viewers
Cold War espionage thriller latest win for FX
By Anthony Crupi on Jan. 31, 2013 - 7:01 PM EST
FX is breaking out the водка and икра—that's "vodka" and "caviar" to you, Yankee Imperialist Dog—as the series premiere of its Cold War espionage thriller The Americans drew big numbers…
Information Diet: Guy Fieri
Diners host savors Cook's Illustrated and Rachael Ray's magazine
By Emma Bazilian on Jan. 18, 2013 - 5:18 AM EST
Specs Age 44 Accomplishments Host of Food Network series Rachael vs. Guy: Celebrity Cook-Off (Season 2 premiered Jan. 6), Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives, and Guy's Big Bite; restaurateur (his latest venture is…
The Most Time-Shifted TV Shows of 2012 [Spoiler Alert]
DVR-friendly series replete with murder, self-mutilation and ... awww, romance
By Anthony Crupi on Jan. 2, 2013 - 6:32 AM EST
Time-shifting is playing an increasingly disruptive role in American viewing habits, as evidenced by the significant lift in program deliveries in 2012. While broadcasters have howled for a ratings currency…