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I'm terribly amused by the USA-L News post suggesting Shawn Dale Barnett is the world's only famous deaf musician. What about Evelyn Glennie? Barnett's website claims that he is naturally-born 100 percent deaf, and Glennie lost her hearing by playing too much percussion, but they're both successful deaf musicians. It's impossible to tell if Barnett thinks of himself as Deaf (Glennie does not, she tries to hush away the fact that she's deaf) because his entire site IS WRITTEN IN CAPITAL LETTERS. Argh.
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I am also terribly surprised, but not at this article. What I am surprised at is the immatureness of the previous writer. In contrary to what he or she said the article states that "Shawn Dale Barnett is the only famous deaf musician to ever have a top ten
hit and to tour the world for over 21 years." This is outragous that one would take stuff out of context like this! Next the Bible will say to "comitt adultery!" ARGH yourself.
Thank you, Alex. I needed a good laugh tonight.
I may be immature, but at least I can spell. I can also commit adultery (I've even done so). I also don't give a rat's ass about the Bible. How the hell did you get to my site, anyway?
Sometimes I wonder about people.
My name is Stephanie Ellison. I didi a search for deaf musicians. I came across your web site, and I wanted to contribute my 2 cents in that I'm also a deaf musician. I lost my hearing, maybe in the first year of my life and diagnosed at 6 years old. I played drums (my primary instrument) and bass
guitar. I was in bands for about 9 years, and then it was time to buckle down for college. So, in the last 17 years, it's been off-on. During those 9 years, I toured western Europe twice as a musician. I now have my first electronic drumset I've ever bought (Dad bought the other drum set when I was a kid), which I got about a month ago. I'm back into playing and rebuilding my playing skills.
I also did the search because I'm looking for others like me. I have a hard time fitting into the deaf world because I'm usually considered by culturally deaf people to be a traitor, having sold them out to the hearing world. Yet, the hearing world isn't able to communicate with me very well, even though I talk and lip-read very well. Anyway, it would be very helpful if you could pass along information about reaching others like me. I'm in the Austin, TX area.
im a deaf rock singer based in Sheffield Uk. So please to see there are other deaf musicians around there need to be more of us and to get heard….. email me and let me know if you agree…
im 33 write lyrics play basics on acoustic and play keyboards. Any other rock musicians??
i think that he is brave for what he did
Deaf people are the coolest i just love them
To be honest I never gave it alot of thought intil I ran across this web site. I am not deaf. I was raised by deaf parents. I am a musician who has played the Electric Bass on and off for 25 years. And I am still learning. I am studying with one of the best instructors you can ask for.
I asked him his opinion on deaf musicians and he asked me a question that answered my question. His question to me was " When you read a book do you need to hear?". It all made sense to me coming from one of the best music site readers in the buisness.
Did you know Beethoven was deaf? Music is only as good as the composers written Standard Notation. Expressing music by feeling and then translating it to notation is not about hearing it requires real devotion.
Hello This is Declan Donnelly,37 Irish born living in Australia .Music has been my life.This site is very interesting .I never thought there s alot of deaf musicans around the world.Lucky am not the only one.Started playing the guitar at 7 years of age ,tin whistle at 12 and very experienced in the Irish Bodhran drum.Next to the guitar ,can play abit of the Mandolin.Every Sat afternoon i play my Bodhran in a pub with a group playing Irish,blues and bluesgrass.From the past two years i m falling in love with African drumming(Djembe and Sabar) and have been to senegal recently. You wouldnt believe that i met deaf senegalese african drummers and female dancers.They were fanastic.On the other hand of me there is a famous hugh Australia music festival held every year from Dec 27th to Jan 1st called the Woodford folk festival .It s a hour and half drive up north from Brisbane in Queensland.I have been performing there three times from the past six yearsand been in their local paper s front page.The atmosphere s great.Wondering if any of you deaf musicans are coming to Australia for the deaf olympic games held in melbourne 2005 ,It is worth to take a visit to Woodford.Also would like to chat email or meet any deaf musicans from all over the world.Am into Neil Young, Tim Buckley, Jeff Buckley, Pink Floyd , Cold play, Ben Harper, Jack Johnson stuff. Email me at firstname.lastname@example.com or sms me at (oo)+61404843785…Much love and peace to all you deafies …May the spirit of Beethoven ride on us ! DECLAN
The one and only female deaf rock singer in the UK Faith Marsden has produced an excellent demo which really rocks….. already faith has had numerous radio interviews and had airplay with the Radio Sheffield Live.
Still…. waiting to get signed on and find that special band if you are interested about the demo and have connections with the record industry email faith……on firstname.lastname@example.com
A Demo of the "rocking-faith" had been sent to the white house President Bush and to Prime Minister Tony Blair
" I felt that my song SOULMAN would get the message through and that the words really stand out,,,,, its very emotional the hairs stand out on your neck to all those that listens"
interview…………….with sheffieldlive
" I felt no one would take notice here so sent to the goverment!"
and im still awaiting the rocking report from the white house and parliament!!
It doesn't look like this site is frequented so I will take a chance and hope that someone reads and responds….I am taking an ASL class. The culture and signing is very interesting. Our Professor is very skilled and we are trying very hard to follow as she signs and quizzes. It is difficult at times but she is very patient with us. I am enjoying the fact that I have picked up some very valuable signs but more important is the fact that I am learning another culture and their language. I am writing a paper on teaching music to deaf children. If anyone reads this and can give me some information on my subject, I would be greatly appreciative. Thank you and have a very good day!!!! ceb
Hi iam a 16teen year old musician in a small town in tx iam also a student at marble falls high. Im writing a report for my ASL class about Deaf musicians but it looks like my only luck is with beethoven. If you are a Deaf musician out there plez make your slef known.
thanks for this great web site and thanks for being who yall are.
Help Me I Have a paper due and i cant find a thing on famous people with disabillities!!
Hey everyone, what shaking? the vibrations from my drumset. I'm 24 yrs old been playing drums for 15 years and continuing. I live in small state called New Jersey. I'm only deaf drummer in New Jersey I hope ha ha. I am searching for any deaf musicians to create the first deaf band if it possible. I can play electric guitar and bass too but mostly drums of course. I used to be in a band called Fate To Fly for 1 year and half but we broke up it a long story. If any deaf or hard of hearing people are interesting to talk to me about music please email me I would love to hear from you guys and hopefully we meet up and jam make music and be well known to the world as soon as possible. I believe it is once a lifetime opportunity. I have two friends are deaf who are intresting to learn how to play music which is why I am teaching both of them how to play bass and drums because that the only things that they can feel the vibration. Here is the newspaper article from Asbury Park Press in New Jersey about me. Doable: They march to a different drummer
Published in the Asbury Park Press 2/25/04
Rob Minervino, searching for a new drummer for his band, was intrigued when a friend of a friend online recommended Chris Wydock, who is deaf. "I thought they meant 'def,' as in really good," Minervino said.
It turned out not to be a misspelling; Wydock is deaf and, as Minervino discovered, also def. "At first I was a little iffy about it, until I heard him play. He was so much better than any drummer who could hear."
Wydock joined Fate To Fly a year ago, and the group of area musicians, all in their 20s, have been playing popular Shore venues. So far this year they've been booked at the Beachcomber in Seaside Heights, Chubby's in Red Bank and The Saint in Asbury Park. On March 14 they'll perform at the Stone Pony in Asbury.
Guitarist Minervino and bassist Mike Archibald, both from Lacey, formed the band in 2001. When their drummer and vocalist left for college, they recruited Wydock, of Toms River, and Neptune resident Travis Johnson, who writes the songs. Their music is "heavy rock," Minervino said, and mostly originals.
"We 'cover' one song, Rage Against the Machine's 'Killing in the Name' because Chris already knew it." Wydock memorizes the music and Minervino cues him in to changes or pauses with a "look." Another onstage accommodation is sign language; Wydock taught the others how to sign the names of the songs.
His lip-reading skills also help. But the music, says Wydock, who hears only low frequencies and is profoundly deaf to high-pitch sounds, is all about the vibrations.
"I can feel it through me, and my feet, too. On a solid floor it is hard to feel; only when I am onstage or in a house with wood floors can I feel it right off the bat."
Bacterial meningitis left him deaf soon after his first birthday; he began drumming when he was 10.
"It all started when I banged on those plastic upside-down buckets and garbage cans with heavy plastic dog toy bones as my drum sticks. I hit something that I could feel because the impact was so great that it sent some sound waves to me."
When a drummer played at a party in his father's house, "I felt those drum beats and I was hooked ever since. I like to feel music because I am missing a lot of the fun in hearing nature's music."
His garbage can and bucket repertoire resembled the off-Broadway show "Stomp," and his grandmother, annoyed by the constant banging and clanking in her garage, bought him a set of drums.
Fate To Fly is a rock band, but Wydock's range of musical styles includes blues, jazz, heavy metal and even marching band tunes. He also enjoys native American and Jamaican rhythms, which he calls "very cooperative."
"I love listening to Ozzy Osbourne music; it has a lot of drumming," he said, and was influenced by Nirvana, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Radiohead and Stone Temple Pilot. But his personal role model is Shawn Dale Barnett, who Wydock met during Great Adventure's Deaf Awareness Day in 2002. Barnett died last year. "If there are no other deaf drummers taking his place, I would love to follow his footsteps."
Meanwhile, Fate To Fly band mates are learning more than sign language from Wydock. According to the group's Web site, the dedicated drummer is fueling their fire to perform and record.
Last week they completed a CD, "Watching The World Spin," on an independent label.
Wydock's goal is "to let people know that deaf people can do anything they can do."
Linda Walls is a parent and grandparent of people with disabilities ranging from deafness and Tourette's syndrome to cerebral palsy and epilepsy. Her column appears in Wednesday's Jersey life Accent on Food section. Write to her at the Asbury Park Press, 3601 Highway 66, Neptune, NJ 07754, or e-mail email@example.com or call her at (732) 449-0696.
I just wanted to mention that the Deaf Drummer I played with
Shawn Dale Barnett, who played with Alice in Chains,
died today at 8:08 this morning.
I've been crying for awhle now since Shawn and I became great buddies
touring and on the road.
Shawn was very sick, as some of you may know. He had brain cancer,stomach cancer,liver cancer and bone cancer. It was ravaging his body…
He had tumors on his face, and a tumor in his shoulder that actually broke his collar bone.
Face it, he was in serious pain.
They had him on 1″ morphine patches, and gradually the patches had to be increased in size. Shawn died with his folks at his side in his home in Leavenworth,Kansas.
The last time he came to Orlando to play at the Lost and Found he was really in serious pain but didn't let anyone know,just me.
As some of you know besides playing with Alice in Chains briefly and
living with Layne Staley, he opened for Guns and Roses,Poison,Reo Speedwagon,Warrant,Faster Pussycat,Morris Day and the Time,Jimmy Page with The Black Crowes…and I don't know who else…
He had a rough life, Shawn did…
Being beaten up by L.A. gang members,stabbed in the neck, and even shot in the leg, all because he waS deaf and wanted to play Rock and Roll.Thank goodnes I was able to record a 3 song demo CD with Shawn at Ben Shader's CRUSH studios before he passed away.His girlfriend is sending me the cover she made for the CD soon.I don't know what else to say except I'll miss you Shawn,my brother, and thanks for allowing me to play guitar with you…
I'll never forget you,man!
The Alien Blues Dude http://cazzylove.hippy.com/
(If you want to send a message for Shawn's family
just email me at:
This is a from a website a fan had created for Shawn Dale Barnett…
While attending Kansas School for the Deaf, he was told that being deaf would keep him from success in the music business. There he was beaten regularly by older classmates who didn't believe his claim that he was able to play the drums. He eventually proved them wrong and won $20 in the bargain. After he graduated from K.S.D., he pursued his dream, was one of the first professional deaf drummers, and eventually became the first deaf man to have a top hit on MTV.
He has also done much to communicate his sounds directly to hearing-impaired fans. His one-man show presents his "deaf music" that features a new type of rhythm, drum vibrations, speeds of time and visual effects like flashing lights, fog machines, and balloons. A lot of listeners, including other deaf people, find it hard to believe he plays and writes so well. The way he puts it is: "I go by just feeling the vibrations in one way or another."
Today Shawn Dale Barnett participates in deaf-related events and he teaches music in various schools for the deaf, helping the students understand vibrations and rhythm. He talks with them about his career experiences, his family and lifestyle, and learning to live in a hearing world. He continues to provide an appreciation of music to the deaf community.
Barnett was born totally deaf in 1963 and spent his early years in Leavenworth, Kansas. At the age of six months, several tumors were removed from his left arm. Part of the damage was permanent, so the arm retained some weakness. It did not, however, hinder his ability to grasp a drumstick. Very early in Barnett's life, it became obvious that he could sense musical sounds. When he was five, he started to play a drum. His family was amazed at his ability to "keep time." As he put it, "I had a natural rhythm."
One of Barnett's friends was a future musical idol: Melissa Etheridge. The two of them frequently talked about their destiny in show business and how they "dreamed of making it big."
While he was attending Kansas School for the Deaf at Olathe, Barnett was discouraged from pursuing his dreams in music. When he tried to tell classmates about his drumming, he was ridiculed and physically beaten. Just before his graduation in 1981, he was able to convince them. At a local bar called "Clown," Barnett bet some K.S.D. students $20 that he could play the drums with the house band. The leader agreed to let Barnett "sit in," and he "rocked the house!" He walked away with $20 and the strong belief that he could make a living playing the drums. From that time on, he considered himself a "professional."
Having been rejected by his peers, Barnett entered the hearing world never mentioning his deafness unless asked directly. His life has had its ups and downs, its triumphs and its tragedies. Barnett puts it this way: "Being a deaf man in the rock music industry isn't easy." However, he proceeded to " …shatter myths about deaf musicians …"
Shortly after his K.S.D. graduation, Barnett lost his one-year-old daughter from S.I.D. (Sudden Infant Death) Syndrome. This incident was later the inspiration for "My Baby, My Child," one of the songs he has written. (He composes lyrics.)
A trip to Hollywood in 1983 with his band (including his brother Steven Todd Barnett) began a six-month period of "living on the streets" and "growing up fast." Then he "hooked up" with the band that evolved into "Alice-in-Chains" and went on tour,living with the late Layne Staley and opening for such groups as "REO Speedwagon," "Skid Row," "Warrant," "White Lion," "Poison," "Guns and Roses,"Jimmy Page with The Black Crowes," "Faster Pussycat," and "L A Guns."
In 1987 Barnett wrote a song, "Leave the Light On," which was recorded by Belinda Carlisle. It eventually climbed to the Number 7 spot on "Billboard's Top Ten" list.
Barnett returned to Kansas and established his own business: S.D.B. Entertainment. This year he released his first five-song EP: "Silents in Black N' White (Music from the Soul of A Deaf Man)." His brother took part also, playing guitar and providing vocals. Contained in this EP were three drum solos plus the following songs written by Barnett "Bury Me in the Sand" (about Barnett's loneliness at school); and "Rosemary's Garden" (about Rosemary Kennedy, the mentally retarded sister of President John Kennedy).
According to Barnett, he wrote the latter song after reading an article about the "forgotten" Kennedy. Trying to imagine her in the White House Rose Garden, he pictured her mentally as " .. a lonely figure roaming … in a white dress …" Barnett felt a connection to Miss Kennedy because " … there is … a stigma that being deaf is like being retarded …" This song was also released as a single and sold 25,000 copies on the Internet.
Barnett has performed in all 50 states and in five foreign countries.
At one time or another, Barnett has played various kinds of music: rock; country; pop; blues; classical; rap; alternative. He has developed sounds that have been labeled "deaf music." This is performed with drums only, along with visual effects.
Over the past four years Barnett has concentrated on his own culture, " … reconnecting with the deaf community … " Last year he presented his one-man show to more than 200,000 people, was featured in newspaper stories, and appeared on television programs for the deaf and hearing-impaired.
Barnett is available to perform at events to attended by deaf music fans where he plays and provides free balloons, loudspeakers, smoke, flashing lights, and "pyros" (flash pots and firecrackers)
The depth of Barnett's feeling about his music is reflected in these personal statements: "The drummer is the keeper of the rhythm of society's hearts!" As encouragement to young deaf performers, he said: "We can't hear what the critics are saying, anyway!"
Shawn recently had begun playing with Orlando guitarist, Cazzy Love / The Alien Blues Dude and they recorded a three song demo CD at CRUSH STUDIOS in Orlando, Shawn's last recorded project,a month before he died.
NOTE: Sadly, Shawn Dale Barnett passed away on February 23rd,2003 after a painful battle with cancer.
You can visit Shawn Dale Barnett's web site at: http://shawndalebarnett.50megs.com/
(CazzyNote: Don't be too amused by Shawn's fame…he was an amazing guy!)
The Alien Blues Dude
(Former guitar player
with the late Shawn Dale Barnett)
Hey, This is for Stephanie, click on my web link, and e-mail me, I am in Ottawa, Canada, I am totally deaf and play guitar, People say I am quite good at it actually, Tonight for the first time ever i decided to see what was on the internet about deaf musicians, thought I was the only one on earth, LOL, guess not, would love to talk to you through e-mail….Take care to all,
hey, thanks for having a useful site up. i'm not deaf, or a musician (anymore; i do want to get back into it though). actually, i was hurt at work and missed a lot of class because of the muscle relaxant they had me on. i'm only taking sign language as part of my general education, but i really enjoy it. i needed the class to be eligible to wrestle. the teacher is really cool, and is having me write a 5-7 page essay on my choice of a deaf topic. music is my favorite thing in the world, so naturally i researched this. my site has nothing to do with deafness, just videos and pictures from my camera. just wanted to say thanks once again for helping with my research. i doubt anyone will look this over and get back to me within the next 2 days, but if you do, i'm looking for more sites on deaf musicians of any kind to help with my paper. thanks a lot- aaron
i'm hella dumb, i mispelled my site. this is the real thing.
I am doing research for a book I am writing on a deaf musician. If anyone has any iformation I might be able to use, please contact me.
O.K. now,people…
Cazzy here checking out all the comments about the late Shawn Dale Barnett, the deaf drummer I played guitar with.
Now about the CAPITAL LETTERS…
Other people made the website for Shawn so the capitals and all that are entirely none of his doing. I know it sounds like Shawn was writing it but actually others did the website for him.
And about the famous part…
I would say that if you played drums with Alice in Chains, and wrote a song for Belinda Carlilse of the Go-Go's,which became the only top ten hit ever on MTV by a deaf person, I would say that's pretty well known.
Now leave Shawn alone, will ya?
He's dead!
(P.S. The song he wrote for Belinda was "Leave the Light On" which is on the Runaway Horses album.)Please don't be mad.
Thank You,
The Alien Blues Dude
Shawn's last guitarist…
Hello everyone, I am a hard of hearing musician, bordering on the deaf side. I feel like Stephanie – the Deaf culture thinks of me as a traitor and I have some difficulty with the hearing. It's so nice to see that there are others like me doing the same thing, I would love to hear from any of you deaf musicians. Please visit my website and also email me. I would LOVE to hear from you.
Take care,
Just wanted to tell everyone that my old website…on hippy.com is no longer…
Check the myspace page now…
If you can hear…
then check out the music…
If you cannot….you can still check out some of the pics I have of Shawn Dale Barnett,,,and you can also crank up the three songs that i did with him and check out the vibrations just like Shawn used to always do when we played gigs…
(Three songs I did with SDB are:
1. Drifting Like Smoke
2. Blues jam of The Hardened Heart
3. Deaf Music
They are in the Soundclick player a little bit down the page.
(He amped his drums thru 2,000 Watts!)
Of course I told him….
"If you're drumming thru 2,000 watts…then i want my guitar to be 2,000 watts too!
He agreed…
Of course he couldn't hear me but he would read my lips…
{ o}=====>
The Alien Bluez Dude
Hoping to reach Stephanie or "Feel the Groove" or the contributor who is teaching his deaf friends bass…
I'm hearing and teaching drumming, rhythm and finger cymbals to deaf students.
One of the students expressed interest in the guitar and I was able to acquire an electric bass for the student, but I don't know how to play it myself.
Will you please tell me how to help this student learn to play the bass?
Also, I'm hoping that by mid- or end of the year that this student will be able to play with us as we drum.
THANK YOU for sharing and reading.
born 60-70% deaf, i love music and play the bass guitar.
please turn your hearing aids up and have a listen at http://www.myspace.com/brettnulty
and tell me what you think.
Hello, I am looking who desire to be rock deaf band. I am hard of hearing perosn. I did play the lead and bass guitar for a long time as 30 years or so. I was realized that some deaf musician have already been to play band together since. I just research about the deaf musician and their information. That what called computer tech people, lol, Well, let help us to proven them that we can do it as hearing band do. I will try to help you to work it out together and be success someday. my email is firstname.lastname@example.com Thank you, hard rock…forever.
i find it amazing how ppl with disabilities are have the most wonderful abilities. yup
I am loosing my hearing and use a hearing aid. I am a musician/artist I cant stop playing and never will. I dont care if im famous. I care about humanity. about romance. about living dreams and dreaming live. It sucks going deaf when your used to hearing all your life but there is no stopping passion what ever it may be for. Keeping the faith in ones self is all important. firstname.lastname@example.com
God always gifts great talents to people with some disabilities.
I had the opportunity to spend part of a summer with Shawn. I was doing live stunts with a group of notable other stuntmen in 2000 and since Shawn was a fan of stunts, he came by and befriended everyone. He got a kick out of being close to the stunts and we soon became fans of his after watching him perform.
We hung out at Bob Peets house after doing our shows, most notably Doug Danger's motorcycle jump over an L-1011, wingtip to wingtip in May of 2000. I had several opportunites just to sit and talk to Shawn about everything under the sun. Not once did he complain about his life nor did he lead on about his cancer. I don't know if he had it then but again, he never complained about anything regarding his personal life. He did have a few things to say about the entertainment industry but it was no different than what any of us had to say.
Shawn could be a handful when he drank (that boy was huge) and he liked to have fun. If you were looking at him from the outside you would never figure he was deaf – that never slowed him down. He could read lips as fast as you could talk and he did a good job of communicating in our hearing world. We used to harass him by covering our mouths when we talked and he would respond by grabbing the nearest one of us and threaten him with bodily harm, jokingly of course.
When that part of the day comes that you are feeling sorry for yourself, consider Shawn's life and what he accomplished in spite of the cards he was dealt. Shawn was an inspiration.
Thank you Joe….
i'm sure that Shawn would have been very pleased to hear those kind words…
Yes, Shawn was a big bear, which is also why he could play those drums so damn loud….
I really dug touring and being on the road with him…
and I was proud that he asked me to be his guitarist. I never thought I would be his last guitarist.
Peace alwayz…and stay in the muzic!
The Alien Bluez Dude
What a great thread — please add me and my trumpet to the Deaf-musician list! Thing is, my ears are opposite to most hearing loss because I hear higher sounds well, but not low ones. So, you won't see me playing a tuba anytime soon.
One correction — Dame Glennie had hearing loss *before* she became a percussionist! She played woodwinds first, then changed to drums later on.
Wish I could have known Shawn, sounds like he was quite a guy. How many fans of "Beethoven's Nightmare" here, by the way?
And yes, ASL is a great language. Why? Read my "met Deaf wow" novel to find out! (A Handful of Spells at Amazon & goodreads & savvypress)


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12 Nov 2009
Drivers in First Capital Connect have this week, without encouragement from the union, chosen to exercise their right not to work on their rest days. Many have been incensed by the company offering no pay increase this year, something that will be the subject of an industrial relations vote later this month. Meanwhile the general secretary has defended these train drivers from ludicrous attacks by politicians who have nothing better to do with their time than fill in expense accounts.
Keith was especially annoyed with the comments of transport minister Chris Mole in the House of Commons this morning. He laid into these train drivers as being irresponsible, which is exactly what youd expect from a Conservative spokesperson. But hes supposed to be Labour.
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Keith said he regretted the way that, encouraged by the media, large sections of the public decided that in every industrial dispute, working people are always to blame.
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Today the majority of us live in an established society where homosexuality along with others are accepted. However, many countries still prosecute, imprison, and hold laws against these individuals because of their sexual orientations. This is an act of discrimination against Human Rights.
Thereupon, if an individual is violated from his or her rights, he or she should be fully able to seek asylum. Adhering to the "The 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees" by the UN Refugee Agency, a refugee is a person who "owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality, and is unable to or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country…". Therefore homosexuals can seek asylum due to their circumstances.
Homosexuals form a "particular social group" which exists all over the globe. Its Legality has been accepted in most countries; however 80 countries criminalize consensual homosexual acts. Within these 80 countries 37 of them are African countries. Statistics state that 2 to 15.4% of the population are either homosexuals or bisexuals. According to research, most African countries consider homosexuality as 'immoral', a 'curse' etcetera. Recently, Burundis' president Pierre Nkurunziza has confirmed a law criminalizing homosexual conduct and threatening to exacerbate the deplorable treatment of gays and lesbians. These people are persecuted, threatened by police, outcasted by family and friends and most importantly violated from human
rights. Consequently, sexual orientation should be considered grounds for asylum, and thus the motion stands.
In recent times, homosexuality has been considered legal in a number of countries but the truth still stands that majority of countries do not recognize homosexuality by law. For the sake of reference, Wikipedia define sexual orientation as 'a pattern of emotional, romantic, or sexual attraction to men, women, both genders, neither gender, nor another gender' [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orientation]]. Among the three categories of sexual orientation, homosexuality is given much importance than the others.
We in the opposition say that homosexuality (gay or lesbian) as a sexual orientation should not be considered grounds for asylum. It will interest the proposition to know that in countries where homosexuality is frowned upon by law; is practice just as practices of corruption is regard illegal and criminal. Moreover, an individual who practices it in these respective countries who are being prosecuted or imprisoned is not tantamount to discrimination or against the human rights of the people. Human rights of a person is emphatically guaranteed and safeguarded in the respective county. Laws contain rules and regulations as to how a country should be governed. It will interest the proposition to know that in forming a law of a country, the culture and life style of the people is taken into consideration. Any activity that is considered 'foreign' against the laws of the land by which the people are governed is rather seen illegal and to an extend criminal.
The1951 Convention Relating to the status of a refugee by UN Refugee Agency which the proposition quoted only qualifies for political asylum. This is due the fact that the legality or illegality of the sexual orientation emphatically homosexuality is a sovereign decision by that respective countries. Considering asylum for homosexuals from countries where they are considered as illegal is not an ideal one.
Sexual orientation is valid as a type of social group
According to the Article 1 of "The 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees" by the UN Refugee Agency, a refugee is a person who "owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality, and is unable to or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country…".[[ ]] Thus, sexual orientation should be considered grounds for asylum as homosexuality exists and homosexuals form a "particular social group". There are millions of homosexuals all around the world and many surveys have been conducted to estimate the number of homosexuals in particular areas. For example, Cornell University published that according to their research of young Americans around 14.4% of the females and 5.6% of males were either homosexuals or bisexuals. Also, in Rio de Janeiro, 15.4% percent of the population - 94,234 people –has identified themselves as either homosexuals or bisexuals.[2]
Furthermore, there are many organizations and communities representing homosexuals and fighting for homosexuals' rights including InterPride and International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission, which has began collaborating with the United Nations recently.[3]
We wonder on what basis the proposition consider homosexuals as a social group. Homosexuals form part of a social class not a social group. A social groups can be defined as, ' two or more people who interact with one another and who recognize themselves as a distinct social unit [[http://www.sociologyguide.com/basic-concepts/Social-Groups.php]], the definition goes on to give examples of a social group and a further explanation as 'a family, a village, a political party a trade union is all social groups.
The figures given by the proposition does not reflect the larger picture on the group. The figures only represent a minute of a country's population. Aside challenges to determine the population in the world, results shows that the general population is 'within a range of 0.6 to 5.4 percent. These studies include Bell-Weinberg, 1970 (2 percent); Billy-Battelle, 1993 (1.1 percent); Cameron-Ross, 1975-78 (3 percent); Catania-NABS, 1992 (2 percent); FRI, 1983 (5.4 percent); MacDonald, 1988 (2 percent); NCHS, 1988-91 (3.5 percent); Schmidt, 1987 (0.6 percent); and Trocki, 1988-89 (3 percent)' [[http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_percent_of_the_world_is_gay[]. Ideally, the population of homosexuals in legalized countries are far less than is between the range of 1-2%[[http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/two.php]].
The government is incapable or unwilling to stop or prevent discrimination against LGBTs
Many homosexuals are subject to violent, boorish hate crimes. Though many governments approve of any sexual orientation, sometimes LGBT's face many dangers regardless of their government's actions. Even in countries where homosexuality is tolerated, hate crimes are rampant. Brazil has the most famous gay pride parade with over 3.2 million attendees, yet also has the highest rate of hate crimes against LGBT people. In 2008 alone, over 190 LGBT murders were reported( exactly how many is unknown, as these crimes go mostly unreported). Police repeatedly fails to investigate hate crimes against LGBT individuals. Augusto Pereira de Souza, a Brazilian, was repeatedly attacked, beat and threatened by skinheads and even cops. In 2008, the President of Sao Paulo's Gay Pride Association was beaten and in 2007, a 19 year old gay teenager was brutally murdered.http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6830.html Although Brazil has anti-discrimination laws, LGBT individuals are still in danger.A Malawi gay couple, Monjeza and Chimilanaga, was sentenced to 14 years of hard labour just because they expressed their love for one another. The couple was accused of "gross indecency" and "unnatural acts". Although, they were freed 5 months later by the president after international outcry, the couple split because of public hostility. Monjeza's 'furious' villagers warned Chimilanaga that he will be 'dealt with' if he comes. This couple hasn't harmed anyone, yet they were subjected to ugly discrimination. [[http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/30/malwi-gay-couple-freed-villages]] Burundi outlawed homosexuality in 2009. Homosexual acts are punished by penalties of 3 months to 2 years of imprisonment.[[http://www.365gay.com/news/burundi-criminalizes-homosexuality/]]
Since sexual orientation is not chosen and unchangeable, we believe that countries where the government is unwilling or incapable of stopping or preventing discrimination against LGBTs, seeking as
We ask the proposition this simple question, if the life of homosexuals can not be guaranteed in their respective countries where that type sexual orientation is legalized what guarantees their life in another country where it not legalized?
Governments are incapable because the laws of the land do allow them to protect the lives of homosexuals.
Homosexuals are persecuted
In 1948, the General
Assembly of the United Nations stated in the Universal Declaration of Human
Rights that "everyone has the right to
life, liberty and security of person". However, in many countries around the
world, people are being persecuted on the basis of their sexual orientations.
Just because they are homosexuals, many people are suffering from series of
tortures from being publicly condemned and verbally abused to being physically
attacked to severe degrees that they sometimes have no choice but to flee from their
countries of birth or even commit suicides.
Regardless of the fact that individuals have no control over their sexual orientations, history is littered
with shocking abuses against homosexuals including beating
to death with baseball bats and pool cues,firing with
automatic rifle fire upon going into a gay youth club, stabbing and chopping 70 times with a machete and even bombing a gay bar and thus injuring more
than 70 people.
Even people from
countries where homosexuality isn't censured attack homosexuals. For example,
in Brazil where homosexual acts were legal since 1830, activists say that a
staggering number of 2680 gay people were murdered in the last two decades. To
make matters even worse, police and the government who should be protecting
homosexuals' rights turn against them. In Kosovo, Gramoz Prestreshi was almost
beat to death by thugs, but police merely laughed at him and the emergency room
workers forced to him to mop up his own blood.
The Proposition believes that human beings should not be subject to such injustice just because they are homosexuals and that they ought to seek asylum.
Indeed homosexuals just like every person has the right to life, liberty ans security. Yet, these rights and freedoms are exercised in conformity with the laws of the state. By this we do not ascribe to brutalities of homosexuals. What we are saying is that, going against the laws of the state is illegal.
Aside the illegality of their sexual orientations in countries that do not recognize them, report shows that homosexuals also commit grave crimes. A Chief Magistrate of the New York City Criminal Court, Judge John Martaugh said, "Homosexuals account for half the murders in large cities" and again Captain William Riddle of the Los Angeles Police says, "30,000 sexually abused children in Los Angeles were victims of homosexuals".
Such reports of crime commuted against homosexuals as the proposition puts it, is only blowing the issues out of proportion. In all aspects of life homosexuals access all social, economic and political opportunities available to any other man. Homosexuals aren't discriminated against in employment, education or health. The average yearly income of a homosexual is $55,430.00 (most of which is disposable because no children to take care of!) and that of the average of blacks is $12,166.00 . 59.6% of homosexuals are college graduates and 18.0% of the general population are college graduates and 49.0% of these homosexuals hold professional/managerial positions.
In January 1980 there were 5 openly gay or lesbian elected officials in the USA and in subsequently in January 1994 there were 133 openly gay or lesbian elected officials in the USA.
Of all these statistics what do the proposition call discrimination?
The laws and practices of the originating country of asylum-seekers is irrelevant
The question concerning whether asylum should be granted for citizens of countries in which homosexuality has been declared to be illegal arose from the response of the team opposition to our first point.
The Proposition believes that laws and practices of the originating country of an asylum-seeker is irrelevant to another country's offering an asylum to that person.
Suppose a man named Bo from Bondoloi is being persecuted by a Bondoloin law that states that all people named Bo must be whipped thirty times every morning. He is also discriminated by his fellow Bondoloins and have once even been flogged. Another country, however, can (and probably should as it is very immoral to leave Bo being persecuted just because of his name!) offer him asylum because of this persecution. It doesn't matter whether if every other Bondoloins think whipping Bo is perfectly okay.
The statement made by the opposition which states 'the Proposition believes that laws and practices of the originating country of an asylum-seeker is irrelevant to another country's offering an asylum to that person' clearly demonstrate the ignorance of the proposition of the mechanism of international laws or immunity or probably the mechanism that goes into consideration for seeking asylum.
First, the UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR) defines citizenship, or nationality (both terms are used interchangeably), as
"a legal bond between a state and that country's laws and an individual. It encompasses political, economic, social and other rights as well as the responsibilities of both government and citizen"[[http://www.actnow.com.au/Issues/Asylum_seekers_refugees__more_definitions.aspx]]. What this simply means is that people seeking asylum or having a refugee status does not lose his /her citizenship or nationality from their originating countries. In simple fact, originating country of an asylum seeker plays a significant role in the asylum seeking process.
We in the opposition wonder significance of the story of a man named Bo from Bondoloi as metaphorically narrated by the proposition comes to bear here. There have not been any substantial evidence as to how homosexuals are mistreated or discriminated simply because of their sexual orientation that should warrant an asylum. Reports shows clearly that gay/lesbian hold political positions and public offices with most regarded as celebrities. For instance in Texas, despite the oppositions anti-gay rhetoric against lesbian Annise Parker, she was elected Mayor of Houston, Texas a country with a population of 2.2 million, the largest city in the country to elect an openly gay mayor[[http://gaygenderissues.suite101.com/article.cfm/influential_lgbt_politicians]]. Homosexuals like Billy Porter
Jonathan Groff, Chris Colfer and Bill T. Jones among many are celebrities with large followings and admirers.
Imagine a world where no one is bound to a society which violates them from their own rights. Imagine a world where one can reveal their "real" sexual orientations without fears of being prosecuted, discriminated and threatened to be murdered. Imagine a world where everyone is accepted for who they are.
Side proposition believes it is feasible for homosexuals to seek asylum based on the foreboding issues they are withheld in. This will give numerous individuals the hope of living at liberty, the route to a brighter future and the hope of finding peace. We find a compelling story in Burundi that advocates this motion.
In the article 'Forbidden', several homosexuals from Burundi reveal their sexual orientations in hope of being released from their anguish and of their government accepting them for who they are. In 2009, Burundi officially passed the law criminalizing homosexuality. 22 year old Pascal stated "I feel like I'm in a prison. I need to be free." Explicitly we can infer that they are motivated, seeking a route to the future , hoping to be accepted in a society and wishing to not be undermined from human rights. This clearly articulates that if we bestow homosexuals the right to seek asylum then the more advantageous it is to several factors. First, evidently the homosexuals will be given a chance to live without harassment. Second, the country that outlawed homosexuality will not have to take actions against homosexuals and instead give them an option, comprehensive to both sides, to seek asylum. We won't say that there are definite benefits to receiving refugees, but does it have to be based on it's benefits? Can't giving hope and freedom to unjustly persecuted homosexual asylum seekers be an act out of compassion?
http://www.hrw.org/en/features/forbidden-gays-and-lesbians-burundi http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/a-13-2009-08-03-voa31-68659452.html
The opposition imagines the world the proposition is proposing but our imagination always carry us to the simple fact that homosexuals just like any other person has the rights and freedoms guaranteed. What is seen as an affront is their activity.
The world has developed to understand and has chosen heterosexuality because that is what has been handed down to us by our ancestors. Homosexuality which is greatly rejected by 90% of countries in the world has not reached that understanding. Homosexuals have undertaken initiatives that has resulted in the legalization of their sex preferences in some countries what prevents others from other countries where their activity is criminalized from educating and undertaken moves to demonstrate why the society in which they live should accept their activity? If it is the case of murder or molestation, what about heterosexuals that receive similar treatment. Can we conveniently say they receive those treatment because of their sexual orientation or the circumstance in which they find themselves?
We believe we all as humans have developed in a stage where we can reason as one. Definably, there are those that will oppose what you believe in or like but the onus lies on them (homosexuals) to reason with others about what they and why society should accept them as one. Seeking asylum will not solve the problem but even widen it. What if the country in which they sort asylum revoke their claim or do not accept their claim? They will have to come back to that very country and society only to meet the problem they were avoiding. We in the opposition believe that in one nut, the 1951 Convention on refugee solves this issues by first regarding us humans and one can only seek asylum base on politics or war claims.
Summary (Mongolia)
The following paragraphs cover the five major clashes, considering the Opposition has already admitted that homosexuals are inhumanly persecuted and that they DO form a social group, of this debate and why side Proposition is correct.
Most importantly, the Proposition has made it clear that homosexuality exists and is natural. The Opposition gave emphasis on the fact that homosexuality is rejected by 98% of the world population which is far from the truth. But, they have fully contradicted their own statement, without our help, by later giving examples of many homosexuals with "large followings and admirers".
The Proposition has made it clear that governments are unwilling and incapable to prevent discrimination against homosexuals. In some countries, homosexual acts are punished severely. However, the Opposition further believes that asylum shouldn't be granted to homosexuals from countries where homosexuality is illegal which seems absurd. Laws of the originating country are irrelevant to another country's granting asylum.
Throughout the debate, the Opposition kept saying that it is better for homosexuals to stay in their respective countries and educate others regardless of the draconian laws and mistreatment in those countries. The process of convincing the society is ongoing, but the lives of the homosexuals who protest are in danger. Many innocent people could die trying to change the minds of people who are inherently biased that homosexual acts are immoral. We should also take into note that, as stated before, many governments are unwilling, let alone incapable, to stop these discrimination. So, instead of putting their lives on stake, homosexuals should seek asylum from countries where they can start a whole new life.
The Opposition has made two major points that are worth being discussed in the summary so far. Firstly, to the Opposition's point that there is no guarantee to homosexuals' lives in the world where the majority of the population are against them, the Proposition has successfully refuted that the majority of the world is NOT against homosexuals and that it's still better to live in a country where they are safe, secure and generally accepted than to suffer under continuous threats and abuses in a country where homosexual acts are considered illegal. The second argument the Opposition has made was that upon granting refuge to homosexuals, the spread of HIV and STDs will widen. However, the team Proposition has found out from studies that prevention and treatment amongst homosexuals are rare. They are often ignored and denied treatment just because, again, of their sexual orientations. So, a part of the spread of HIV is caused by persecution of homosexuals rather than by homosexuals themselves.
Thus, the Proposition firmly believes that sexual orientation should be considered grounds for asylum. Should this motion fail, homosexuals will continue to be violated, murdered and deprived of their human rights.
Widen the spreed of STDs and HIV
Globally the fight of HIV/AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases have become a source of worry for every one. We in the opposition believe that granting refugee base on homosexuality will widen the increase that spreed of HIV/AIDS and other Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STIs) and the fight against this worries will be overhauled.
Homosexuals are said to be responsible for spreading AIDS and in in the United States account for well over 50% of the AIDS cases, and 78% of homosexuals are affected by STDs [[Rueda, E. "The Homosexual Network." Old Greenwich, Conn., The Devin Adair Company, 1982, p. 53 and San Francisco AIDS Foundation, "Can We Talk]]. This is a very large number considering the fact that they represent 1-2% of the population.
Considering this sexual orientation for asylum will only put innocent individuals such as children, women and teenagers at risk base on the well known life style of homosexuals. A Psychological Reports published in 1986, showed that homosexuals commit more than 33% of all reported child molestations in the United States and also 73% of all homosexuals have had sex with boys under 19 years of age [[Jay and Young. The Gay Report. Summit Books, 1979, p. 275]].
Regarding homosexuality and promiscuity, in 2004 the Baptist Press reported the following: "A new study by a group of University of Chicago researchers reveals a high level of promiscuity and unhealthy behavior among that city's homosexual male population. According to the researchers, 42.9 percent of homosexual men in Chicago's Shoreland area have had more than 60 sexual partners, while an additional 18.4 percent have had between 31 and 60 partners...As a result, 55.1 percent of homosexual males in Shoreland -- known as Chicago's "gay center" -- have at least one sexually transmitted disease, researchers said. [[http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexuality_Statistics]].
This activities trustfully will add up to the worries of respective countries.
It is true that homosexuals are in more danger of being affected by HIV/AIDs than any other social group. But, it is also true that prevention and treatment amongst homosexuals are, unfortunately, very rare. Studies show that:
-Gays who come forward with their diagnosis are usually denied treatment.
-Only 9 percent of gays were reached with HIV prevention services.
-Funding for HIV treatment for gays is not proportional to amount of gays with HIV. [[http://bit.ly/cB6J70]]
(Also, 79 countries failed to report on HIV prevalence among gays. [[http://bit.ly/cClPak]] Such scarcity of data is at times interpreted as justification for few HIV(AID/STD) services. It also makes gays' dilemma less known to HIV/AIDs services.)
Data says, in contrast to what the opposition is trying to say, 90% of child abuse is committed by heterosexual men and from a study of 269 cases of child sexual abuse, only 2 were by homosexuals. [[http://bit.ly/1Ye1e6]]
Furthermore, we have found out that The Gay Report - the second reference used by the opposition - gave away approximately 400000 questionnaires to be answered, but only 4000 were returned. Since the respondents were selected themselves, it is wrong to think the study's founding as a representation of the homosexual community as a whole. The outcome of this questionnaire with 1% return rate cannot possibly be a full description of the gay community.
Lives of homosexuals are still not guaranteed
The fact still remains that most countries and majority of the population have not come to understand and accept homosexuals as they are. Most religion that the world's population adheres to its teachings do not recognized these individuals. It will be difficult for homosexuals to live comfortably in such environment.
A compilation made by staff librarian Linda Scheimann suggest that most religious denominations such as Assemblies of God, Baptist General Conference, Catholic, Jewish (Orthodox), Lutheran (Missouri Synod), Lutheran (Wisconsin Evangelical Synod), Methodist, Muslim and the Presbyterian have their Worshipers vehemently opposing homosexuality and the gay lifestyle recognized as sin, ministers who practice this are not allowed and same-sex unions greatly opposed. In the case of Muslims, any act such as this is punishable by death. How then can a homosexual seek refugee in a world where 98% of the population opposes their activity?
The ideal thing is for these individuals to stay in their respective countries and educate their people in understanding them rather than moving to countries their lives are not guaranteed.
The proposition can not understand how 98% of the total world population oppose homosexual acts when, according to the data given by the opposition themselves, 3.5% of the world are homosexuals (we have chosen their most recent but also long-lasting study - the study by National Center for Health Statistics). We should also take into note the number of bisexuals and people who are reluctant to admit themselves as homosexuals on these studies.
Furthermore, automatically inferring that almost half of the world who do not follow Abrahamic religions (religions mentioned by the opposition) are all against homosexual acts is just absurd. Even the "supposed" homophobes who follow Abrahamic religions have started to change. For example, the number of Christian churches that are open to the ordination of people who are homosexuals is increasing. [[http://ow.ly/2sZ84 ]]
As the proposition stated, it is indeed true that in some Muslim countries and in other African countries with draconian laws homosexuals can be under the penalty of life sentence and this is why sexual orientation should be considered grounds for asylum. If homosexuals were given the choice either to stay in their country and suffer through insurmountable tortures caused by both neighbors and the government or to go to a country where they are secure, safe, accepted and evaluated not on the basis of their sexual orientations but on their characters which are likely to further bloom, it is clear that the latter will be chosen.
So, the proposition believes that asylum should be granted to homosexuals who were so inhumanly tortured that they had no choice but to flee just because of their sexual orientations and who are so eager to start whole new lives in countries where even same-sex marriage is accepted such as Netherlands, Canada, Belgium, Spain and Argentina. [[http://ow.ly/2sZn0]]
Recent asylum claims granted do not promise hope
It is very interesting to know that homosexuals that seek asylum in Britain for example is not the best of options. In that asylum claim is what is termed as "discretion test" which educates gay or lesbian asylum seekers from countries including Iran, Cameroon and other African nations to go home and keep their sexuality secret to avoid repercussions. No if the solution is to keep quite why can't they in their respective country? Is this not the same reason for which they sort asylum?
But Lord Hope, suggest that this asylum clause is discriminatory that any other thing by stating "to compel a homosexual person to pretend that his sexuality does not exist or suppress the behavior by which to manifest itself is to deny him the fundamental right to be who he is". Is this the sort of treatment homosexuals want to put themselves into?
If the answer obviously is no, then what needs to be done is a program that will afford individual society to understand and treat them alike for who they are. An illustration given by justanotherworkerbee commenting on this same very topic says much as he puts it 'I really feel like hopping on a plane to, say, Tasmania and saying that I fear for my children safety walking the streets of the UK and that I am being persecuted by my government. I may kill myself if they put me back on the plane home. Whats my chances?[[http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_gay_and_lesbian_asylum.html]]' Another comment by James Hardaker on that same platform says 'the fact that a foreign citizen has to keep their sexuality a secret back home is not our problem. It is also not grounds for allowing an asylum seeker entry into this country, because we are then interfering in other cultures, which let's not forget is what has earned us such a bad reputation overseas already'.
The opposition asks whether the discretion test is the sort of treatment homosexuals would want themselves put into. The answer is, of course, no. But there's no need to answer or ask that question as the discretion test no longer exists.
On July 7th 2010, the UK Supreme Court brought an end to the policy which made immigration authorities ask asylum seekers whether they can tolerate conditions in their native country if they make some adjustments. Lord Rodger wrote in the ruling that"[To] reject his application on the ground that he could avoid the persecution by living discreetly would be to defeat the very right which the [Refugee] Convention exists to protect - his right to live freely and openly as a gay man without fear of persecution."
This decision will help make a new standard for determining asylum status which doesn't contradict international human rights guidelines. [[http://colorlines.com/archives/2010/07/gay_asylum_in_united_kingdom.html]]
Also, justanotherworkerbee, in the very same comment the opposition cited, said "Why dont we just send out planes daily to every country in the world, let anyone on with a problem and bring them back here to this vast Island that we live on? People never seem to go the the nearest "safe country" do they?" [[http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_gay_and_lesbian_asylum.html]] Now, his comment seems to be criticizing the amount of asylum seekers to the UK, rather than asylum seeking itself. But then again, James Hardaker and justanotherworkerbee could be and probably are viewers from the sidelines. Their comments don't change the fact that homosexuals are persecuted because of their sexual orientation and are being denied from their human rights.
Consensus building is key
Granting asylum seekers base on sexual orientation will produce a more complex and more difficult society to manage. Aside the fact that those who commit crimes could hide behind the sake of 'homosexuality' or any other sexual orientation just to escape prosecution and vase effects is, more and more groups that believe they have a right under the asylum seeking, hiding behind falsehood will want to push their way through just to leave the place of abode. let us not forget, there are children and women who are been molested and not granted asylum in other country. Hunger is killing a lot more innocent souls out there, will they also have a right to seek asylum because they live is in danger and being persecuted by hunger? Obviously no.
We in the opposition believes nature have distinctively separated us and there is no need for we humans to draws differences among us. Granting asylum base on sexual orientation will not only discriminant against those seeking it but also but unnecessary cause division among us. The United Kingdom did not stand up one day to accept homosexuals into their society but was involved in gradual process that sort the understanding of the fact that as humans we have several preferences. This same move can equally be taken in countries where homosexuality is not legalized. It is up to them to convince the society, pull resources together and join hands in making the society and that nation as a whole accept them as they are.
The truth is one can not stay in asylum for the rest of your life. One day you will return to your country and when you do will you want to return to the troubles you were once upon a time avoiding since unlike wars that end some way some how, cultures take a very long time to ullter.? The opposition believe building consensus is a vital tool that can be used in solving the problems so mentioned.
According to side opposition, bestowing the right to seek asylum for homosexuals because they are persecuted will become a cover for criminals to escape from their country and abode their current situation. This is an absurd argument. It attenuates (a) the government that allows the criminal to counterfeit for asylum without their awareness, (b) the government that the con artist seeks asylum to; for their argument proposes that the government will allow immigration without further investigation of the personnel.
Moreover, side opposition is oblivious of the fact that countries have laws to protect molested women and children, however for persecuted homosexuals; (in over 80 countries) there are no laws to protect them at all from being molested. Thus persecuted homosexuals should be bestowed the right to seek asylum. Clearly, being persecuted by hunger and being persecuted because of one's sexual orientation are two parallel proposals. Hunger is a factor that can be altered whereas homosexuality is not.
We on side proposition believe that consensus building for countries that have illegalized homosexuality is infeasible. Consider the following proposals. First, the government of these countries are shrewd in their homophobic opinion and do not wish hinder their laws to protect them[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia#Efforts_to_combat_homophobia]]. Second, as the opposition mentioned, the culture and tradition of these countries neither wish to tolerate nor accept them unless they change[[http://www.hrw.org/en/features/forbidden-gays-and-lesbians-burundi]]. Therefore why not make it advantageous for both involving factors and bestow homosexuals the right to seek asylum?
Ghana Summery
We in the opposition strongly stand against the motion that sexual orientation should be considered grounds for asylum. First and foremost, homosexuals, bisexuals, heterosexuality and many others are humans and posses the same rights and freedoms just like any other person. Granting asylum based on sexual orientation will mean that one section of the society is treated special and different from others. This is inequality and discrimination in the highest level. The illegality of homosexuals in their activity and their rejection by society has been as a result of the fact that in those countries it is against their culture and in some instances, laws.
Granting asylum based on sexual orientation will turn countries against countries in a culture war that will result in habbly adoption and recognition. This will be deadly in the country since it can break at any time resulting into more crime than ever.
Another thing that needs to be considered is the fact that sexual orientation of a person can only be measured by personal attestation. This will provide avenue for individuals to fake their sexual orientation to leave their countries for 'greener pastures' and also for criminals to avoid prosecution. Unlike wars where the level of persecution,threat of life and danger to peoples lives base on race,ethnicity,colour and political views can be measured and ascertained,sexual orientation is unascertainable and far fetched
For these reasons, we believe that granting asylum based on sexual orientation will widen the spreed of HIV/AIDS,discriminate against a section of the society,break cultures and create an avenue where criminals will use sexual orientation as bases to avoid prosecution, therefore opposition says sexual orientation should not be considered grounds for asylum.
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