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Skip to comments.SUBMARINES: The Chinese Submarine Building Program
Posted on 05/24/2004 5:27:29 PM PDT by LibWhacker
May 24, 2004: The Peoples Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) regards its submarine force as its first line naval force. Not without reason. Only the submarine force has nuclear powered ships. More importantly, Chinese submarines pose the most significant threat to hostile naval forces, especially U.S. Navy carrier battle groups. The Chinese submarine force is undergoing rapid conversion to modern propulsion, sensor and weapons technologies. At the same time, serious measures have been taken to reduce noise levels and increase the effectiveness of the crews.
The elite portion of the submarine force is its nuclear powered ships. Submarines are officially "ships" in the PLAN, rather than "boats" as in other navies. The Chinese nuclear submarine force was long mainly a paper threat. The original half a dozen nuclear submarines (5 Han attack boats and a single Xia which is nominally a ballistic missile sub) were the most noisy nuclear submarines ever built. Worse, they had terrible problems with radiation leaks in the reactor coolant system. The first of these subs was completed in 1974, but not operational until the 1980s because so many design and construction flaws had to be corrected. During the 1990s, an extensive program was undertaken to rebuild them all. Rumored to have been re-engined with French reactors (replacing the original German ones). U.S. Navy intelligence believes that, instead, the entire reactor coolant system was rebuilt. The Chinese subs had their electronics and sonar systems replaced with French equipment, and three may have been fitted with C-801 Ynng Ji 8 (Eagle Strike) ASCM (submarine launched cruise missile). Interestingly, the single Xia class sub, although used for missile launch trials, has never deployed with operational ballistic missiles, and apparently has been added to the force as an attack submarine. Supporting this theory are reports indicating the JL-1 and JL-1A ballistic missile (designed for Xia) never entered mass production nor were warheads manufactured for them.
Meanwhile, the first of the new 093 class SSN is nearing completion this year. A second of the 093 class has already been launched and two or more additional units are eventually expected to be built. These submarines, built with Russian technical advice, are similar to the Russian Victor III class. They have been modified to use the new Chinese land attack cruise missile (HN-3). The 093s are considered to be very quiet. A new missile submarine (type 094) has also begun construction. It is reportedly designed to use a sea based version of a land based ICBM (known as JL-2 in naval form). This missile could reach US targets from Chinese waters.
Potentially more significant is the rapidly expanding conventional submarine force. Typical of PLAN programs, there are parallel domestic and foreign weapons systems. Most famous, perhaps, is the purchase of four Russian Kilo class submarines, including two of the more advanced Project 636 types. More ominously, China ordered an additional eight units of this class, for simultaneous delivery in 2006, and it appears all will be delivered by 2007. These are superb submarines, quieter than most of the worlds nuclear submarines (when not recharging batteries with their diesel engines), and outfitted with very good sensors and torpedoes.
Less well understood are the newer domestic submarine classes. The first of these, called Ming, has completed production. But one of these boats was used to test a form of AIP (Air Independent Propulsion), and the final series of six was built to use the best sonar and torpedoes available and also reportedly use AIP. With a workable AIP, these subs could stay underwater for weeks, and be quieter than American nuclear subs.
The other domestic class is the Song. Subject to protracted development, it required a substantial redesign, so that the first ships produced were considered a subclass, called Song I. There are now six Song II, all with AIP, and all fitted to fire the same ASCM as the later Han SSNs (YJ-8). Often reported to be fired from separate tubes, in fact these missiles are torpedo tube launched weapons.
Taken together, these modern submarines represent a very significant capability. They are as quiet as the US Los Angelus class, and those with AIP do not have to use noisy diesel engines to recharge their batteries for weeks. The Song class subs are still building at a rate of one a year.
Finally, the PLAN continues to operate significant (but declining) numbers of Romeo class submarines. Copied from a Russian design, those still in service have also had new French sonar equipment installed. There are about 36 of these ships, but only about 21 active duty crews to serve them. The PLAN does not associate a crew with a specific submarine. Crews live ashore and are assigned a sub for a given mission. The Romeo class submarines might be significant as minelayers, as bait for anti-SSN traps, and as threats to merchant shipping.
A final note about the PLAN submarine force. Long thought to use inferior Chinese designed torpedoes, it is entirely equipped with Russian torpedoes. The Yu-1 torpedo is the Russian Type 53-51, the Yu-3 is the SET-65E, the Yu-4 is the SET-60, the Yu-5 is the TEST-71/96 and the Yu-6 is the Type 53-65 (which has been compared to the Mark 48). Only the newer boats are fitted to use the Yu-5 and Yu-6.
Sheesh, I sure hope the Pentagon is further along in its ABM development and deployment plans than it appears.
Did Bill Clinton sell them the plans?
Ain't the results of onesided 'freetrade' grand! ;->
To hear the economists tell it, China doesn't need these subs. She's soooooo friendly with the U.S. A.H.s!
I wonder if we'll ever know how much that traitor sold us out to the Chicoms? The SOB.
The PLAN does not associate a crew with a specific submarine. Crews live ashore and are assigned a sub for a given mission.What brilliant PLANNING in the PLAN. Why allow a crew the time or training to become intimately knowledgeable of any one boat? A submarine is as unsophisticated and easy to operate as a pontoon raft--you just get in it and go ... if you want to die at some absurd depth because your hull breaches while being chased by self-propelled guided munitions ....
Tell the truth Jeff, you authored this article dincha'?
For those that don't know, our very own Jeff Head saw this some years ago and told about it in his Dragons Fury books.
Very scary, bro.
Just using the tech they bought from Boner Bill.
Has anyone heard anything about the "gas torpedo" that the ChiComs were supposedly developing? It would sure fit in with this story! The weapon was supposed to ride a cloud of bubbles, under water, at speeds around 200mph. The thrust of the report (maybe around 1998) was that a carrier group would be sitting ducks for such a weapon. I never heard another thing about it after the inital report.
Pitiful situation. When I was in grad school 20 years ago, it seemed like a third of all the grad students around me in engineering and the sciences were Chicom nationals, almost all the sons and daughters of China's political elite. Not only have rats handed them our technology on a silver platter, we've been training our enemies for a generation now how to take that technology and run with it, improve upon it, and discover who knows what? Makes me sick.
I got into a real good arguement with another on here a few weeks back who said that in NO WAY will the Red Chinese be able to attack the US. The fellow seemed to think that they could not sustain a two or three pronged attack aimed agianst us over the world.
Here is the plan as I would see it. They got at least 500 thousand so called advisors in East Africa..some reports that I have seen estimates over one million. So the use the help of the Muslims in the mid east to send off against the oil reserve nations cutting off oil supplies to us. Does anyone think that the Muslims wouldnt help them if it would come to killing American and Israel people?
They OWN both ends of the Panama canal. How many people they have down there is anybodys guess. I would not be shocked that the figure is around a half million or more. So they cut off the use of the canal. Then how many in Cuba. They have evidence that they are building bunkers in Cuba. What the "H" do they need bunkers in Cuba for? Then the island in the Carrib owned and run by the Lippo group as a "port" facility. Ya right. A port facility. And what is being stored amoungst the merch within some of those buildings?
Then comes North Korea. They need North Korea to settle down and shut up for now. Then when time is right look out. It isnt to far to run up the coast to the Bering Straights and across.
Point is. They can cut off our oil supply (one front), let North Korea start something on that peninsula (second front). Get it going around the Carib and South America and send em off through Mexico from Panama (third front). Think they need food? Nope. They eat everything. They'll simply use whats at hand leaving the locals to starve..as if they care. All they need is arms and the means to ship manpower over here..that is more manpower, as no doubt they'll have enough people salted within our boarders to disrupt the heck out of us.
This all takes time. And time they have had and will continue to have for a while. We are busy with the Iraq and Afganistan crisis. So they are busy doing what they need to do.
Can we sustain and fight a three front war?
About all we can do is spout off on it. Just like those who cursed those who financed Germany and Japan, you and I will get the boobie prize of knowing we told folks so. Our trade policies and agreements, our illegal immigration fiasco and even the terrible policies that see radical middle-eastern nation's people immigrate here in huge numbers, will take us down on their own. I'd step on a hell of a lot of toes if I went on. I do consider it traiterous, sedicious and subversive.
You forgot the chinese port facilities in california! They have military personnel and probably nuclear weapons inside our own borders.
-Whine- they aren't military - they are civilians, will cry the leftist stooges. Only the ignorant would believe that just like the did about the "civilian" onership of comapnies that just happen to make military and missile control systems - thanks to clintoons and company.
It's not just the left that thinks china is our friend. A lot of people in the GOP love them to death.
As this happens we are considering cutting our attack sub force by as much as a third:
We had better be careful. I know that "Cold War weapons" are out of fashion, but they can come in handy when fighting superpower wanabees.
Yes, cavitating torpedoes. The Pentagon has a substantial and active program working on them. But so do a number of other countries, Russia mainly. I remember those articles well . . . But you're right, we don't hear much anymore.
Why can't you wake up and realize the Republicans sell us out just as bad as the rats? Who was president 20 years ago when you were in grad school? What has Bush done to correct this problem?
Lots of people with their heads in the sand, that's for sure! What gets me is when folks claim China can't catch up anytime soon. I believe they're catching up very quickly. Worse is when people say the Chinese historically aren't known to be innovators and so will never be a threat to us. Insane.
The technology you are referring to is known as super-cavitation. Basically, if an object travels within an encapsulated bubble of air, in water, it overcomes a lot of the inherent water resistance and thus allows it to achieve capabilities that would normally not be possible under the fluid dynamic conditions of water. In this case a torpedo is 'blanketed' with many small air bubbles, reducing drag, and allowing it to go at speeds far beyond what is 'normal.'
The Soviets (and thereafter the Russians) started this branch. They came up with a torpedo system called the Shkval (Squall), where the weapon could go in a straight line at speeds 5-6 times faster than the fastest we had. However the initial weapon had a fatal flaw ....it could only travel in a straight line. Hence, it was at best a weapon fired after a US sub had fired at the Ruskie sub. Hence, that would probably force the US sub to stop guidance, and hence save the Ruskie sub.
They were originally meant to be fitted with a nuclear warhead, hence going in a straight line was never the main issue ....speed was.I do know that the USN is also working on some super-cavitation weapons ....most of them directed towards 'shooting' underwater mines and incoming torpedos, and to some extent coming up with super-fast torpedoes of our own (although our doctrine is more toward stealth and quietness than torpedoes that think they are rockets).
Hope that answers your questions.
I thought that congress put a hault to those? I know that they were supposed to take over the Long Beach one but wasnt a stop put to the whole deal?
Nothin shocks me anymore. Dam polititions will sell their souls for a nickel.
like the supersonic Silkworm missiles - maybe the govt is going by the old saying "if you don't see it or hear it, it can't hurt you?"
with these new weapons, it can almost be true ... you won't feel a thing when you are in a billion particles.
Dubya can't do this on his own, not when half the Congress seems to hate the United States. He's not a dictator. In truth, Nixon opened the door to China, to cater to liberal historians and to assure his legacy . . . In other words, he caved to 'rat opinion. IMHO.
...and it is our money that is allowing them to fund this.
The Rising Sea Dragon in Asia.
This is one of the principle reasons I wrote the:
093s appear to be a highly destablizing factor on the face of it. Because aggreements such as the SALT series do not include the PRC as a signatory, they can pretty much bulk up to their heart's desire limited only by their spend and their will. Meanwhile, the US are disarming in terms of ICBMs. How can we call the PRC a "competitive partner" with a straight face when they are behaving the way the USSR was behaving round about the early 1960s?
We got a friend in Japan..I hope. The Japanese see right through the Reds and are starting to re-arm. The faster the better as far as I am concerned. They have and can handle the Chinese.
Then the Aussies. As far as Tiawan is concerned-they are toast.
How long did it take the Red Chinese to march through Viet Nam or that area after we left and they got into a tussle down there? What was it? Three weeks? And we didnt do it in how long?
Has President Bush given even ONE primetime speech about the threat that China poses?
And how were the Russians able to build such quiet submarines? Toshiba sold them computer controlled machine tools to fab their propellers. They were found guilty by an international court and sentenced to a meaningless fine. Click here
This single act has undoubtedly cost the taxpayers of this country billions in order to develop new methods of detecting Russian subs and could cost us our freedom in the future.
Boycott Toshiba forever!
It's a given: The enemy will come at us asymmetrically. It's all he can do. If we give up the weapons that won the Cold War for us, he'll come back at us from that angle again. And then it'll be all over for us. We must keep the old while adjusting to the new, imho!
"Hope that answers your questions."
Yes, thank you.
The article specifically spoke of the Chinese working to get this technology (on stratfore.com maybe?). It lit me up because I had always thought that if I were the Chicoms I would want to obviate the carrier groups that allow the US to project power the way we do.
I've been wondering ever since what the story was on the development. No mention was made about the torpedoes limitations as you have described. It sounded like one terrifying piece of ordinance.
Thanks but no thanks WalMart.
We weren't "allowed" to win in Korea or Vietnam.
China is modernizing and helping N. Korea. Both are selling weapons, incl. radiologicals, to Middle Eastern states (along with our good friends, the French) . . . We better get our heads out soon, or the 60s and 70s will seem like a picnic. :-(
If he gave such a speech, a very large percentage of the CEOs in the US, no matter what party they officially belong to, would immediately start to plan for his demise. My observation is as follows. It is an observation which comes from comparing the average CEO 100 years ago with ones today. 100 years ago, it was OK for a CEO to be a nationalist - an unashamed pro-USA, properly biggotted (in the good sense) nationalist. Today's CEO may not even be native born, let alone a citizen. And even if they are, they have to tow the globalist line in their circle of friends. They are punished in terms of career growth if they ever do or say anything that would come off as "old style conservative." This is Bush' dilemma. At a time in history where Clausewitzian geopolitics and anti globalism are needed, he has no freedom to act in the most geopolitically effective manner. He knows, and some of us know, that the politically incorrect direction is what is needed now more than ever. But the liberals, Leftists and the dispicable 3rd way amongst our own camp, will destroy Bush if he doesn't tow the utopian, suicidal, flacid line. In the twisted rule book of the anti Clausewitzians, it's OK to get all fired up about terrorists and rogue states. And indeed we should get fired up about them. But, in that twisted book, getting fired up about great powers simply flies in the face of Francis Fukuyama's Fractured Fairy Tales, and Thomas L. Freakman's Fast World of the Imagination. It implies the potential for great war and this simply cannot be faced.
10 Virginia-class subs of the US fleet could sink every other capital ship IN THE WORLD in just a few days.....with impunity. Not only that, our boats are at sea and we could put most of them at sea on VERY short notice. When you combine that with our integrated ASW system (airborne , shipborne and worldwide passive detection) it'd be little more than a turkey shoot.
Our domination of the seas will continue for at least a couple of decades even if no further systems are deployed. Any navy that dares challenges us will have a short, but exciting life.
Presumably the rest of the world knows this, so why are the Chinese spending billions on what would be "cannon fodder", according to you?
Just asking.
More of them stayed here than left. And if they hadn't stayed, the US wouldn't be where it is today. I'm friends with the children of those that stayed and they're as patriotic as anyone. Their parents are greater successes here than they possibly could've been in China and they know it. They are not just the kids of China's political elite. It would be better for the US to attract those bright students and get them to stay rather than keep them out or drive them out. They would just go elsewhere to get a similar education and then go back to China. Even today, there are over 400,000 European researchers in the US because it's the best place to conduct high level research.
At Pfizer La Jolla where my brother works, over a 1/3 of the researchers are from outside the US. Many are Chinese nationals on their way to becoming US citizens and plenty are kids of Chinese nationals who emigrated here in the 70's. (The largest contingent are Canadians but I'm guessing you don't have a problem with them.) The US has acted as a brain drain on the rest of the world for decades and continues to do so. Good thing too or the US wouldn't have its huge technological lead. If you want to stop immigration, there are two groups that I'd go after before grad students: Muslims and illegals.
A family friend's life and career was stalled because a white fellow co-worker falsely accused him of selling secrets to the Chinese in order to get a promotion both had been considered for. A year long FBI investigation cleared him but his career at Raytheon was finished. He started multi-million dollar semi-conductor fabicration plants in China, Taiwan and the US a few years later. It's this type of BS that is causing a higher percentage of grad students (Chinese included) to go back to their country of origin rather than stay (as the majority used to).
Every country has talent that can improve upon technology. China has a billion people people to draw from and I'm not so myopic as not to give them credit for their inventions, developments or improvements even if they used other's technology. No one country is responsible for all development. The US even used Nazi and Imperial Japan's research after WWII.
The Red Chinese have never marched through Viet Nam. They tried a little 8 day incursion after we left......and were soundly trounced.
The reason the Chinese want a navy is becuase India wants a navy......and the Russians already have one.
"They OWN both ends of the Panama canal. How many people they have down there is anybodys guess."
But Panama itself is actually very pro-American. Not just the government but also the vast majority of the people love the US. They even dollarized their currency, that is they use the US dollar as their official currency.
Other countries aren't suicidal. If they were to try a full on invasion, the US has enough nukes to blow everyone up. There's no advantage for anyone to occupy the US. Without the US as the customer of choice for the world economy, the world would go into a depression that would make the Great Depression look like a lark.
Yup. That's what I remember too.
You're jumping to conclusions, PA. I actually like Chinese people a lot. I'm married to a wonderful woman who is half-Chinese and we have a lot of Chinese friends, but unlike you, I can't say that I've noticed they are particularly patriotic, to say the least -- unless it's patriotic toward China -- just opportunistic (which, btw, I don't have a problem with). Many of them are thoroughly brainwashed and very touchy about any criticism of that dictatorship. They're here to make a buck and get an education at the best universities in the world and then go back and help their country. I've heard this reasoning from them over and over and over again. And let's not forget, China does require them to return after their education. We should be much more cautious in allowing foreigners to come here to study, imo (incl. Canadians).
Let's stand by and allow another totalitarian dictatorship to become a superpower, the last Cold War was so much fun!"
Oh, I don't think the Chinese are interested in a cold war.
China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation (CSIC)
People's Liberation Army Navy
Report to Congress Pursuant to the FY2000 National Defense Authorization Act
..............Doctrine of Preemption and Surprise.
Chinese doctrine continues to emphasize surprise, deception, and shock effect in the opening phase of a campaign.
In addition to development or procurement of Assassins Mace weapon systems to counter intervening U.S. forces, China is exploring coercive strategies designed to bring Taipei to terms quickly.
Military Budget. In
March 2002, China announced a 17.5 percent or $3 billion increase in spending, bringing the publicly reported total to $20 billion.
Estimates of total spending range from $45 billion to $65 billion; annual spending could increase in real terms three- to four-fold by 2020.
For the fourth year in a row, contracts for advanced weapons systems from Russia were $ 2 billion--double the average annual figure throughout the 1990s.
Its not worth a crap though. Might be fast but the range is extremely limited. We had this discussion long ago with someone who knows a lot more than me.
He was some engineer of weapons systems specifically for the navy I think.
His main point was "yeah they might haul ass but they can't go beyong XX range...we can just sit back more than that XX range and hit them every time...Kind of like boxing with someone with 5 feet long arms"
Whoa hold on a minute. Since when did the rats become a majority party in congress? Its not just a few RINOs who are blocking correction of our open borders and so called free trade policy, its more like 95% of the republican party. As I said both parties are equally responsible.
Yes, indeed. This adds a whole new dimension to the term "free traitor" doesn't it?
Ok. WHY would they want to attack the US now?
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In case Allen doesn't answer you, Ez_Mac, the answer is: YES.
…that is, if you don't count Cabrera and Verlander as having faces.
We will see how that Groundhog effects the Twins outdoor party in April. Winter baseball if fun, but it usually involves alcohol. That will be fun to see.
Curtis Granderson is also dead to me. He was dead to me last year for awhile then he cam back to life and now he's dead again.
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I had a boyfriend that loved Groundhog day and he used to give me a Groundhog card. He loved that fury ugly thing. To me it just means that we are closer to Pitchers and Catchers reporting to Spring Training!
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For the last few days, about 30 minutes after nursing and even after pumping, my left breast has sharp, shooting pains. It's worse if I touch or rub them. A few weeks ago, I had a milk blister but that seems to have cleared up. I don't feel any blocked ducts, the nipple is sensitive, but I don't notice anything strange looking about it. I have had thrush before (with my first baby) and I don't think that's what this is. But, man, it's killing me! It's a nerve pain that feels like daggers or needles going through my nipple deep into the breast tissue. Any thoughts on what it is and more importantly, how I can make it go away? Thanks mamas!
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Leo 5/15/07 (nursed 18 months)
Eliza 11/28/09 (just turned one yesterday. working full time and still exclusive bf)


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WVU's Austin again wins Hardman Award
WHEELING – West Virginia University football all-American Tavon Austin has repeated as winner of the Hardman Award as the state Amateur Athlete of the Year.
Austin, also the winner of the Hornung Award as the most versatile player in major college football, will be honored by the W. Va. Sports Writers Association at the 67th annual Victory Awards Dinner on Sunday, May 5 at the Village Square Conference Center in Clarksburg.
The 5-foot-9, 180-pound senior wide receiver-kick returner-running back from Baltimore, Md., is the 12th multiple honoree since 1934 of the oldest statewide award from the 81-year-old WVSWA.
Second in voting was Cabell Midland's world-ranked distance runner Jacob Burcham. Other top vote-getters included ex-WVU rifle shooter and Olympic gold and silver medalist Nicco Campriani; WVU All-America basketball player Kevin Jones; WVU record-setting football quarterback Geno Smith; Marshall U. quarterback and Conference USA Offensive Player of the Year Rakeem Cato; two-time Kennedy Award winner Ryan Switzer from George Washington; WVU record-setting pass receiver Stedman Bailey; and golfer Pat Carter, who won a 13th W. Va. Amateur title.
Austin earned All-America recognition from various outlets including the Associated Press, American Football Coaches Association, Football Writers Association of America, Sports Illustrated, and Pro Football Weekly.
He finished eighth in balloting for the Heisman Award. Austin earned first team All-Big 12 Conference both as a wide receiver and kick returner and was the Big 12's Co-Special Teams Player of the Year with kicker Quinn Sharp of Oklahoma State.
For the season, Austin compiled 2,910 all-purpose yards-an average of 223.8 yards per game, to rank second in the nation after ranking first as a junior. This season, he caught 114 passes for 1,289 yards and 12 touchdowns; ran for 643 yards on 72 carries with three scores; had 32 kick returns for 813 yards and a TD; and returned 15 punts for 165 yards and a score.
He was one of only two players in the nation with 500 yards in three different categories and one of three players with 110 or more pass receptions.
Against the University of Oklahoma, he recorded the second highest total all-purpose yards (572) in a single game in FBS history while setting WVU and Big 12 Conference records.
In the 50-49 shootout loss to the Sooners, Austin set WVU's single game rushing record with 344 yards and his two rushing touchdowns made him the first Mountaineer in history to score a TD four different ways (receiving, rushing, kick and punt return) in one season.
Burcham is the most honored boys distance runner in Mountain State history. Entering his final track season this spring, he has earned five Gatorade state Athlete of the Year awards in cross country and track.
This fall, he won a record third straight Class AAA cross country title with a course record time.
Last spring, he repeated as Class AAA 800, 1,600 and 3,200 meter track champion.


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quote Number6ofthe6Beast6do you live in japan man? because if not, then there is no online for nexus...*Wakes up from deep sleep*
Oh why helllloooo there friend. Welcome to the old AC Forum. Nice to meet you. Weve been out of business for about a month now.... but that core looks pretty dandy. IT seems like you have some skill. Do you play online, maybe u can battle me.
quote InSoMnIA XI wanted to give this one a try since i love the hover extension. I was amazed to find that the energy i spent boosting upwards was actually being replenished as i hovered. When you said it could hover "Indefinately" i assumed you were just embellishing to make it sound cooler, not that the damn thing could literally hover non-stop.FLYER
Tuning:10 ecm
Tuning:10 weight
Tuning:10 cooling
Tuning:10 max weight
Tuning:10 heat
Tuning:5 weight 5 capacity
Tuning:5 weight 5 usage drain
ARM UNIT R:WH02RS-WYRMorCR-WR88G2
ARM UNIT L:WH02RS-WYRMorCR-WL95G
Optional Parts
animo, 069es, 071ec, codon, marishi, kangi,
Core Summary
Ok this has to be the first AC that i have made EXACTLY the way i wanted it to be. I was messing around with the hovers, and by combining a bunch of low en drain parts, this ac can hover Indefinatly. So strategy is to hover around pounding yuor enemy with both arm weapons. The first combo is the dual grenades, and the other is twin snipers, this AC can do about any combonation of arm weapons.
Feedback welcome. Also i ran into something interesting when making this core, I was switching around boosters for lower energy drain, and found that the booster effects the speed of the hover boosters, so with the booster this AC uses, you dont get the energy drain, but the AC can move at about 300kph while hovering.
quote innesNo mobility, but extremely powerful firepower. Nice.[ i'm not good with names, so yeah... ]
silver wolf
head: [ same as jack-o/foxeye ]
core: [ heavyweight eo core w/ 16 option slots ]
arms: [ heavy, but with energy def second to none ]
legs: [ best biped load capacity ]
booster: [ built for prolonged battles ]
fcs: [ any, depends on your prefs ]
gen: [ heaviest gen ]
rad: [ heaviest rad ]
inside: [ missile decoys ]
ext: [ 180deg. turn boosters ]
back: [ dual vertical ms ]
right arm: [ r/karasawa ]
left arm: [ l/karasawa ]
hanger[s]: [ none ]
optional parts: [ all energy weapon enhancements, gen and def enhancements ]
obviously overweight. no mobility. but there's no need for mobility. use v/ms for long range battles[ works well with a long range fcs ], and dual karasawas with the cannon eos from mid to close range[ good with hz/fcs, arms+karasawa implement good accuracy ]. always advance backward. keep away from the enemy. if target flanks, use extension and backward maneuvering. superior firepower. drop weapons when out of ammo[ ex: v/ms ]. it'll increase your speed.
tested acs
iron-LOW[ something ]
2 custom acs from my friends
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quote Eye of the TigerMobility ACs are pretty rad. And Jissen Kenbu is called circle strafing in Armored Core terminology.Water
head: antenna
core: solid mg eo
arms: lightest arm
legs: mak (float 633 mov abi)
fcs: hz 10 locks 481 range
generator: 48000 max ep
radiator: ???
extension: side shield 50 coverage no energy drain
back unit: 60% ammo
right arm: 800 ammo 124 damage mg
left arm: lightweight left arm mg
notes: It can beat any arena opponent by strafing with little need for flying. Inspired by Aoshi from Ruruoni Kenshin when he did the Jissen Kenbu
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We are Korean Moms in training dedicated to psycho-analyzing our moms, reliving horrible memories of embarrassment and dread for the benefit of the public...all the while laughing like a wheezy grandpa. Someone needs to pay for our therapy...
Friday, July 4, 2008
I want to keep track of them...and I know you want to see them on this site! :)
What are some other 'Stuff Korean Moms Like'?
Make sure to post your name along with your idea so I can credit you when it posts!
Love to your Korean Mom,
82 comments:
- dreams2ashes said...
anything that's steaming hot(soup, tea, bathroom water etc)... to the point where it's unbearable.
-christine oh
- July 4, 2008 at 11:07 PM
- dreams2ashes said...
also, today my korean mom got annoyed b/c I hadn't heard of any of the classical music composers on her CD (in the car)
then she proceeded to raise the volume REALLY loud and open all of the windows in a crowded parking lot of the mall.
- July 5, 2008 at 10:37 PM
it might be too similar to Corningware, but what 'bout Tupperware?
exercise in the middle of the day-- you know all Ys are filled with Korean ahjumma at, like, 2PM.
golf: they started playing it to be with their husbands, but you know they just want to be out of the house too. and wear matching outfits.
- July 6, 2008 at 3:50 AM
trying to scare you with tales of death as a consequence. i.e. sleeping with the fan on, eating too much ramen, and various other activities they do not like that ends up in death.
another on would be drinking hot liquids or eating boiling hot soup when its like 100 degrees outside. They claim the sweat cools you off.
- July 8, 2008 at 1:35 PM
rock on. love your postings.
how about korean mom's becoming gangsta when they play yoot-no-ri? You know, the game with the 5 wooden sticks?
Another one: The GIANT visors korean mom's wear while driving - the black ones that cover the entire face. Oh, and the white driving gloves.
My mom is very skilled at blocking all sunrays from her face while driving, using a 5x7 post card. Talent? I think so.
On the same note, Korean mom's at the golf course. 100 degrees, no wind; wearing long pants, long sleeve shirt with collar popped up, gloves on both hands (not for extra grip, just so the right hand isn't a different color from the left hand), giant visor, and about 5 lbs of sunscreen/makeup on the face.
- July 8, 2008 at 5:29 PM
My Korean father married a Caucasian so I don't have a Korean mom with all the accompanying emotional baggage. My sister and I were also denied the usual Korean mother-in-law/inadequate daughter-in-law fireworks because our family lived in NY while my grandparents remained in Korea. But having said that, my sister commented that our mother does have some of the "Korean mom" idiosyncrasies, which have perhaps been absorbed by osmosis.
So I have only "Korean aunt" stories gleaned from summer visits to LA and Seoul.
One of my aunts had a very deep hatred of worn paper money. As soon as we returned from buying junk in Itaewon, she would take the tattered dollar bills or Korean won that we had gotten back as change to another part of her apartment and return with new crisp bills. I don't know how she did it! It was like she had one of those machines that used to be advertised in the back of comic books (right next to the x-ray glasses), the tiny roller thing that would turn a blank piece of paper into a dollar bill. Oh and by the way, the x-ray glasses did not allow you to see thru women's clothes! Never got the money-producing machine for some reason. Must not have had enough bubblegum wrappers or something. But I digress.
And that Korean aunt was a champion bargainer. I learned the only Korean phrase that I know from her, "Ajishi, al-mai-yo?", which, after hearing her say it to every shopkeeper at the Namdaemun Market, I deduced meant something along the lines of "Mister, how much?" And sorry for probably massacring the Korean language but that's what it sounded like to me.
- July 8, 2008 at 10:05 PM
- Bora said...
Anything to help avoid the sun. This goes way beyond sunblock, whitening cream, wide brimmed hats.
This mask, the first time I saw my mom wear it, I almost passed out from fear because it was so creepy! http://image.zeromarket.com/item_files/49/0002149495itemImage2.jpg
Oh, and how can you forget your neck! In the 90s my mom used to safety pin her blouse up to her neck but now she has this!
Then, she has these gloves:
(Well actually, these are pretty, my mom has more hideous ones and then they have holes on the inside so help you arm "breathe")
And of course, the "sunbrella"!
God bless her heart. She works so hard but she's still tanned, haha!
- July 9, 2008 at 6:42 PM
- Ed said...
reminding me to saving money, incessant need to apply sunblock.. everywhere, finding random things around the house to hit you with e.g. ruler, backscratcher, montgomery ward (used to be, now target), always calculating the monetary equiv (in a restaurant) of the dinner she made, worrying
just to name a few... =)
- July 10, 2008 at 12:34 PM
How about ice drinks?
- July 10, 2008 at 6:13 PM
Saving kimchee byungs (jars) to store sewing yarn, halloween candy, coins, you name it...oh, and a few to return to the store to get a discount on future kimchee purchases (with lots of negotiating/bargaining, of course).
Not sitting anywhere cold or exposing any part of your "nether" region to the cold because you will never have kids. Even if you're wearing a skirt in the dead heat of summer, you must wear stockings...bc you don't want to "get cold" and jeopardize childbearing opportunities.
The only success that any Korean mom's daughter can have is that of being married AND a mother, in that order. Forget that you're a brain surgeon, rocket scientist or that you've climbed Mount Everest -- if you haven't given her a grandchild, none of that even warrants a mention.
- CK (great blog! literally made me tear up from laughing!)
- July 11, 2008 at 7:09 PM
things my korean mom likes:
1.no one loves jesus more than korean moms except maybe Black moms. and kee-doh-ha is the answer to everything--no doctors necessary.
2. plastic plants! they should at least cover 50% of the house.
3. anti-aging face cream. my mom started me on a skin care regiment when when i was 2.
4. to think that the koreans invented everything. miso soup--invented by the koreans but stolen by those evil japanese.
5. creating additional homework for your kids because 2 hours worth of homework is not nearly enough.
6. doesn't believe in throwing anything away. clothes that don't fit you now or are out of style might still be good 10 years from now.
7. all furniture must be placed against the wall.
8. matching is overrated. i.e. clothes, furniture, dishes etc.
8. Anything Toyota but most especially the Camry.
- July 12, 2008 at 12:15 PM
1) Reusing containers as "tupperware." e.g. margarine containers to hold ban chan, pickle jars to hold jang jo reem, etc.
2) Forbidding their children to sleep with the fan on for fear of "fan death."
3) Vitamins.
4) Italian products. Things made in "Italy" = things that are of high quality.
- July 12, 2008 at 2:09 PM
this might be cliche but my mom eats EVERYTHING with chopsticks. i mean, everything... like pizza, bread, birthday cake.
and she can always eat kimchee with anything, including the above.
also, it might just be my weird parents... but water purifiers? we must have about 3 of them now. each claiming to be better tasting water with more minerals... which they found off of korean satellite infomercials.
- July 14, 2008 at 10:29 PM
calling non-Koreans (primarily Caucasians) waegookin, migookin, or migooksaram: it doesn't make sense to call white people "foreigners" or "Americans" when many of them are, in fact, Americans as well, but I hear it all the time.
- July 15, 2008 at 3:57 AM
Korean moms love to pay for dinner when they're out with guests. I've seen my mom and my aunts have a full on brawl in the middle of the restaurant trying to wrestle the check from each other which included an intense body tackle. They ripped it in half! Korean kids and Korean dads just sit as still as possible and hope there's no bloodshed.
- July 16, 2008 at 2:36 PM
- ki fun said...
korean moms love to tell their daughters how much weight they have gained or how fat they are... before even saying hi.
- July 16, 2008 at 3:12 PM
Korean mom's love:
- all forms of canned meat - Spam is just the start. How about vienna sausages.
- forging for food along the side of the road - wild mushrooms, ginko nuts, leafy greens, wondering whether the road kill is fresh
- not believing in allergies - my mother swears it won't kill me if I only eat a little
- hanging pictures of jesus and church calendars all over the house
- ugly leather couches
- cubic zarconium and other forms of ugly fake jewelry
- July 16, 2008 at 4:10 PM
- Irene said...
i love my korean mom, she's the best, its going to be my korean mom's birthday this thursday!! woo hoo!!
-washes plastic utensils, and freezer bags for reuse. loves to use them during those times where if she lost them, she won't get upset, but she'll refuse to throw them away and save them for a picnic or something.
-eat fruit for dessert
-when she drinks soup thats super hot on a hot day, she says "shee won ha dah".
-toyota/lexus family of cars. mainly camry = 'kem-ni'
-never use ovens for cooking = extra storage space, just like the dish washer
-sesame seed. dude my mom puts sesame seeds like crazy, in everything.
-beans/peas in rice, purple rice, b/c its good for you!
-costco, korean moms love costco
-marshalls, ross, tj-maxx, nordstrom rack, outlets. korean moms are all over discount shopping. anything "maker"
-korean mom's love chinese boys: if a korean mom has a daughter, and she marries a chinese man (GOOD, chinese men are known for being good to their wives) if she has a korean son and he marries a chinese girl (BAD, VERY BAD, chinese girls are lazy, b/c the chinese men do everything for them)
-they love to eat corn or peanuts when watching korean dramas
-cash (to receive as a present)
-celine dion
- July 16, 2008 at 5:03 PM
as a korean man, i must say that my wife has already become a korean mom at the ripe old age of 33. She criticizes/makes fun of her mom and my mom for being korean moms, but she is already making our 4 year old play the piano, is a total korean drama addict (like crack) and is a wiz at collecting wrapping paper. laugh now, but many of you will be like your moms, trust me.
btw, i admit that i'm a korean dad. For some reason, wearing black socks with white shorts and white tennis shoes is very comfortable (with a sleeveless t-shirt).
thanks for your website. quite funny.
- July 17, 2008 at 9:18 AM
- bokumbop said...
O.M.G. I am so 'chae-mi-suh-so'ing your blog. Somebody tipped me off at Kimchi Mamas.
Still laughing/wheezing at #11, "Telling people they are fat". Picturing the ajummah moonwalking back to your office just to tell you you're doonk-doonk.
You can bet your home-made ggak-du-gi I'll be back.
- July 17, 2008 at 4:19 PM
- the Korean said...
- Benz. (Lately replaced by Lexus).
- Packing food everywhere.
- (Related) Cooking in the hotel with a hot plate
- Talking about her friends' son or daughter, especially successful ones, as if she knows them.
- July 18, 2008 at 5:56 PM
Not specific to Korean moms, but how about love of kimchi and how it can cure/prevent disease.
- July 19, 2008 at 9:46 PM
- bokumbop said...
Just thought of something ... eating out of the bulk bins and produce section (like grapes, etc.) without paying. And asking for samples of everything. I was at the grocery with my mom once, and before I knew it she had a slice of pizza in her hand. I was like, "where did you get that??" And she's like "it'sh sam-ple". Uh huh. Sample my ass.
- July 19, 2008 at 11:46 PM
what about korean napkin nazi moms - rationing of napkins (esp. korean moms that work at korean restaurants), cutting paper towels in half, etc.
- July 21, 2008 at 4:10 PM
what about korean napkin nazi moms - rationing of napkins (esp. korean moms that work at korean restaurants), cutting paper towels in half, etc.
- July 21, 2008 at 4:10 PM
- dreams2ashes said...
yeah covering the sun definitly
- July 21, 2008 at 6:43 PM
- jiji11 said...
Don't forget to mention 'MYONG PUM bag' such as LV, Channel, Prada, etc. If you don't own one, you are not even a human. If you have a fake one and get busted for it, you are less than a human.
Also, if you do not go to church, you are automatically a bad person and her kids are forbidden to hang out with you.
How about the virginity... Just because they could not get to 'test drive', it does not mean her daugter can't! If they have found out that her daughter has slept with a man, that's the end of the world and her daughter is a whore.
The worst part? They tell you not to have sex but they have no idea about birth control.
I will come back if I come up with more.
- July 22, 2008 at 2:29 AM
- e the cat said...
1) Sucking their teeth after eating (gross)
2) Keeping tissues in every room, on every table, and in every corner of the house (I swear I'm always looking around for tissue boxes in other people's houses!)
3) Tea (ginseng in particular)
4) SCREAMING your name across the house (to answer the phone, to eat dinner, to take the garbage out, etc)
5) Giving you more food than you can possibly eat to take home with you when you visit, which usually ends up going bad.
6) cutting up fruit for dessert. none of this cake or cookie nonsense.
Love your site!
- July 23, 2008 at 2:11 PM
Things my mom and aunts do (which I love them for):
- holistic/natural/medieval remedies: My mom thinks that everything can be cured by salt and pee. Gargling salt, washing my face with pee, brushing my teeth with salt, putting pee on my pimples. My aunt is an accupuncturist, so they are into drinking really weird black drinks made of deer horns and roots (Han-Yak), and another that smells like rotten fish water. Blood-letting in any way is natch part of the equation.
- Line dances/ballroom dance lessons: My family forced me to teach them the electric slide, which now they are the masters of at all weddings. They also proceeded to teach all the German tourists on our cruise down the Nile.
And speaking of weddings:
- Going to weddings for their friends when they don't know their children, and expecting their children to invite all sorts of strangers to their own wedding.
- I definitely have to agree with the foraging for food on the side of highways.
- Telling all their daughters that they are "too old to not be married" at the age of 24.
There are so many more, but most of the other ones i can think of are covered by the other posters.
- July 24, 2008 at 4:42 PM
I hope my Korean mom isn't the only one who does this, but cleaning the floor with old men's underwear!
- July 24, 2008 at 5:20 PM
- Stacy said...
Ignoring the expiration date on food and other perishables and then insisting the date is just a suggestion when you protest against congealed milk.
- July 24, 2008 at 10:42 PM
- Stephanie said...
Hm... this will be paper focused!
She will religiously cleaned the floor on her hands and knees with some hapless little paper towel. She will saved reused paper towels for 'later' and throw it in sink in a tiny ball. EWWWW. She would give me "stank eye" if I used a paper towel once. Never did that again in her presence. She would sigh stating "because you American you don't understand! Waste!"
Brawny/Bounty should have an ad showing a Korean mom and her resourcefulness and absolute refusal to use the damn paper towel just once!
But than please explain why should would need 2 18 rolls of Bounty from Costco/Sam's Club like every other month!?
Tissue boxes in every bathroom and bedroom.
Tissue in their purses or pockets.
Because you never know when the public bathroom will run out of TP or you need to use it to open the bathroom door or use it as a napkin (emergency use only)!
- July 25, 2008 at 10:39 PM
Boiling underwear on the stove in a giant pot of soapy water, to get it really clean.
Slurping loudly while they have noodles, soup, tea, and even non-liquid foods like chicken, fish, etc.
Maybe this was already covered somewhere, but adding -yah to the end of your name when they scream your name at the top of their lungs, even at a public place.
- July 25, 2008 at 10:54 PM
The Korean Mom's solution if you're ever constipated: stick a chopstick up your butt.
I second the use of old men's underwear to clean the floor. My Korean Mom and Aunt did that when I was little. And it wasn't limited to briefs, they also used Y-shasuh and the like.
Along the lines of how Korean Moms think they are psychic through their dreams, they also think they can tell someone's fortune and know all about what kind of person they are by looking at their physical features, usually the face. For example, a woman with bulgy eyes will always remain single according to the Korean Mom.
Another one is talking about a non-Korean right in front of them, in Korean, and while looking at them disapprovingly. It usually begins with "aigoh" or "uhmanah" and then goes into how that person is too fat, too thin, too short, wears too much makeup, will be unlucky, etc. etc. When my Korean Mom met my brother-in-law's girlfriend, she looked right at her and out came "uhmanah", followed by a monologue about how she looked like an embalmed corpse because of all the makeup she had on, and why did he pick her, etc. I tried to shush her but of course she didn't listen.
If our Korean Moms ever read this blog, they would say we were all mot dat suh and would probably throw themselves on the ground and carry on flailing their arms and legs because they can be oh so dramatic sometimes. But we love them and wouldn't trade them for any other!
- July 27, 2008 at 12:13 AM
- Marz said...
I am a daughter in law of a Korean mom, but just the same, I know a lot of these! Oh the plastic bag one what good!
1- hitting you hard on the back when greeting you or saying "good job"- ouch!! :)
2- yes yes! telling you you're fat!
3- indoor slippers
4- nude nylon socks, esp. with sandals
5- making their sons & grandsons cut their hair
6- coming to your house and telling you everything u r doing wrong, need to fix
7- repeating their advice over & over even if you already said why you're not going to do it, no acknowledgement of what you said
8- interrupting you when you're trying to say something, often changing subject as if you weren't already talking
9- loving people who love kim chi- makes white people legit in their eyes
10- neck scarves as presents
thanks 4 this site! this one & kimchi mamas helps me see past my KMIL's quirks so i can appreciate her. she really means well!
p.s. that "they come from royalty" one is classic! I had no idea so many people say that! "We are the GOOD Kims, not the bad Kim line...." ha ha!
- July 28, 2008 at 7:51 PM
Mil continuing to bathe as if she is back in the old days in korea with only a bucket of water.
Obsession with vinegar pills. Fil told us that vinegar pills magically make his farts smell like nothing. My DH was so intrigued with this idea that he decided to try it out himself and well, my DH's farts still stink! MIL and FIL though are convinced that vinegar pills are the best thing ever.
Mil's obsession with everyone else's bowel movements. I swear she puts her ear up against the door when you are in the bathroom trying to take a shit. When you open the door, there she is, and she will say, "What wrong, you sick, why it take so long to go?" Her motto is, "diarrhea good!"
Mil and fil not understanding the concept of calling more than one hr in advance (sometimes they call us en route) before showing up for a visit.
Mil's obsession with socks. If you don't wear socks, you will end up with sore joints for the rest of your life!
MIL refusing to tip at restaurants. Her opinion on this is that nobody tips her for her job, so why should she tip anyone else. It's really embarrassing, we end up trying to leave a tip behind her back. When we take her out to eat, she will start going off on us when she sees us leaving a tip!
Mil thinking that she is the one entitled to pick out our house, because we are too stupid to pick a, "good" house on our own. Both bil/sil and DH and I have been berated by mil every time we buy a house, because it is not what she would have picked.
- July 29, 2008 at 2:25 AM
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- July 29, 2008 at 10:15 AM
- Mina said...
Sorry if this was already posted, since I was too lazy to read through all the comments.
I think this suggestion goes hand in hand with the No Pets one, since it's about cleanliness.
Korean mom are obsessed with keeping the house clean. Order must be maintained!
My mom laments her fate for having a daughter like me, since I shed hair a lot. Of course now it's a funny joke, but she'll still whip out the Heavy-Duty-Highest-Suction-Force-on-the-Market vacuum if she finds a stray hair on the floor.
Her best friends are the Lysol sanitizing wipes, since they kill germs. Everything goes in the laundry, even if the garment hasn't been worn and is only on the floor because I was too lazy to fold it and put it back. My mom does the laundry like two times a week and she'll do the extra rinse cycle a couple of times to REALLY make sure the clothes are clean. I guess she doesn't care about water conservation, as long as her whites are white!
- July 29, 2008 at 10:23 AM
Ah, my KMIL...what to say about her...
~She never believes ANYONE when they say they're sick. For instance, I had a c-section (but had a grandson, so all was good there), but my incision site became infected and I had to go to the doctor. She said "[my sister-in-law] also having c-sheckshun and she not having infection*stank eye*" HOWEVER my KMIL DOES come stocked with conventional medicine. She's the queen of doctor's prescription samples!
My son has bad allergies, but she's convinced that since her children never had a problem, my son also doesn't have a problem. She says "you don't listening to doctor, you have maternal instincts!"
~Ah, and adding -ing to all verbs.
~And I'm so glad to know it's all Korean Moms and KMILS that tells you you're fat, but still want you to eat your weight in food and prepare so much that there's no possible way an army of soldiers could make a dent in it.
~We don't do anything right in our household. I am a very outspoken person, but I have learned to hold my tongue and just blow things off, because if there's one thing you can say about Korean Mom's children-- they're extremely protective of their Korean Moms, even when they're being mean. You'll never win an argument with a Korean Mom, so there is no point in arguing. And you'll never get an apology from them when they have something mean and horrible to say about you, so there's no point in waiting around for one.
~I agree with whoever said matching was overrated! I find it cute, though.
~my KMIL is nearly 60 now, but she still gets in the floor, squatted, to do things like scrub the kitchen, play with the grandkids, fold laundry, etc.
I know my Korean Mother-in-Law means well. I believe she's a very caring, loving person. It's just sometimes hard to see that through her first layer. lol
- July 29, 2008 at 11:54 AM
If a Korean Mom gets it in her mind that she's going to buy you something, even if it's something you don't need or want at all, you might as well clear a place for it in your house because you're getting it!
- July 29, 2008 at 11:56 AM
- oldSkool said...
1. disposal plastic gloves.
2. the extra-small ziploc bags.
3. metal Thermos with the built-in sippy straw.
4. LV diaper bag...kinda pricey.
5. Nintendo DSL (just kidding but kind of serious).
Toodles: http://www.xanga.com/oldSkool_nyc
- July 29, 2008 at 1:24 PM
- Hannah said...
God, I almost peed in my pants when you said Korean mothers love to talk about when they're going to die. Here's my list of stuff Korean mothers love,
1. filial piety which is also manifested or combined with mother guilt and religious guilt
2. Jesus Christ (Yehsoo Christo)
3. stealing plant clippings....My mother: Oh, I rike that plant, I will take a piece and grow it in my kitchen. Me: MOM, get out of that bush (we were at a parking lot at McDonalds)
4. If they're over 65, they love the senior citizen discount, especially at McDonalds
5. Making fun of their children's piss-poor Korean.
6. repeating, "O-righ, o-righ-o-righ" when you put the car in reverse
7. Lancome face cream, or whatever high price cream they use
8. Passive-Agressiveness (Accentuate the aggressiveness)
9. Tiger Balm
10. Really hard mattresses. In fact, literally wooden boards for mattresses.
God I love my mother. She's a riot!
- July 30, 2008 at 11:45 AM
- Hannah said...
God, I almost peed in my pants when you said Korean mothers love to talk about when they're going to die. Here's my list of stuff Korean mothers love,
1. filial piety which is also manifested or combined with mother guilt and religious guilt
2. Jesus Christ (Yehsoo Christo)
3. stealing plant clippings....My mother: Oh, I rike that plant, I will take a piece and grow it in my kitchen. Me: MOM, get out of that bush (we were at a parking lot at McDonalds)
4. If they're over 65, they love the senior citizen discount, especially at McDonalds
5. Making fun of their children's piss-poor Korean.
6. repeating, "O-righ, o-righ-o-righ" when you put the car in reverse
7. Lancome face cream, or whatever high price cream they use
8. Passive-Agressiveness (Accentuate the aggressiveness)
9. Tiger Balm
10. Really hard mattresses. In fact, literally wooden boards for mattresses.
God I love my mother. She's a riot!
- July 30, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Purses. Korean moms, particularly mine, love proper, lady-like purses. Not messenger-type bags or totes or anything that may actually fit into my not-fancy lifestyle. My mom firmly believes that all women over the age of 17 must carry a nice leather purse with handles (this has to go with a proper wardrobe, of course, but that's a longer post). She's always horrified by my "ratty sacks" and has bought me countless impractical purses that I wish I could sell on eBay but would never dare.
Oh, and handkerchiefs.
Great blog!
- July 30, 2008 at 12:33 PM
- Sandra said...
when you were an adolescent, if you told your Korean mom that you were going out to hang out with friends, you could only do so after she knew each and every one of your friends' name, age, ethnicity, address, telephone number, GPA, their siblings' GPA, height, weight, occupations of their parents, what sort of cars they drove, social security number, blood type, favorite foods, etc.
i think somebody already mentioned this but my mother never let me sleep with the fan on at night because the fan would suck away my breath and i would die in my sleep. she also had a big thing about warning me if i were to fall asleep in my car ever to roll down the window because i would suffocate. i could be awake and sit in my car with the windows rolled up, no sweat. but don't EVER fall asleep!! Loll down windoh!!
- July 31, 2008 at 9:58 AM
- nikisma said...
2 things:
1. Meticulously peeled and cut fruit
2. Tiny fancy forks to eat it with
- July 31, 2008 at 6:25 PM
- aisukohi said...
- showing with portions of their hands the measurements of things. e.g. i only ate *this much rice* (holds left hand out and uses right hand to hold/cover 80% of left hand, showing that she ate two fingers worth of rice.... if only i had a picture, you would knoooow.)
- never apologizing ever. never. maybe the occasional *uupps* (oops) when it's their fault.
- washing floors by hand. (swiffer is huge a waste of money.)
- re-using ziploc bags and hanging paper towels out to dry for re-use. these are not disposable.
- August 1, 2008 at 10:10 AM
1. Polyester clothing and sheets. The gaudier, the better.
2. Hard, cheap mattresses.
3. Nice dining room tables that are never used, but preserved for display purposes only.
4. Dislike for dogs, unless they are for bbq'ing.
5. Dislike for children unless they eat all their food.
6. Big on telling anyone, when in their home to do as they say. Pushing their beliefs on everyone.
7. Dominating the dinner conversation.
8. Jealous of anyone that their son's like or spend time with.
9. Saving kimchi jars.
10. Generally rude, domineering house guests.
11. Asking lots of personal questions like how much money you/your spouse makes or grilling others as to how much money you make.
12. Snooping through your personal files when you aren't home.
13. Using anything in your house without asking first.
I, myself, would not wish the fate of getting Korean mother-in-law on anyone. It only gets worse with time.
- August 4, 2008 at 12:57 AM
- annalog said...
Stuff my Korean mom (and eemos) like:
- Go Stop. They only play for cold hard cash.
- Lifetime Television for Women and Court TV. My mom is always afraid I'm going to get murdered in the Mainland.
- Coffee. I don't think that my mother will EVER switch to decaf.
- Speed walking. She thinks she's getting her exercise on, but she's really just take an extended walk to get a cup of coffee.
- Getting driven. I think the main reason why she looks forward to my annual visits is because she has a personal chauffeur for a week. Plus, I can fill out any delinquent forms from the U.S. gov't.
- Bill Clinton (or any other figure representing the rags to riches story).
- St. John. You know that on your wedding day, they are going to bust out that powder blue St. John suit. Even if you're getting married in the desert.
-Slowly dialing the cell phone with their pointer finger.
- Getting an expensive cell phone that they don't know how to use.
I can't wait to be a Korean mom!
- August 4, 2008 at 8:02 AM
- MYC said...
I just found this site and love it. What about putting plastic wrap between the lid of the jar/container to "seal it better" and then it ends up leaking anyways? (In the plastic bag?)
- August 4, 2008 at 9:34 AM
instant coffee. i was in college before i actually had a cup of brewed coffee. we were a taster's choice family and coffeemate family and were required to bring pounds of the stuff to korea when we went to visit. for a while i used my coffee press, but i've succumbed to my roots and now drink taster's choice and coffeemate at home.
maybe it was just me, but i was shocked at how coarse my korean mom's language was. in college i busted out words like "inimun-seki" and was surprised to find that it was more like a swear word than a colorful descriptive. but on the flip side, it was nice that i could swear in english until the cows came home and she would have no idea what i was saying.
the extra fridge/freezer in the garage. 'nuff said.
american names. i gave myself one when i was 12 and had it legally changed. my mom still refuses to refer to me by it. "name i give you no good?!" c'mon, mom! it's been 14 years! some of my korean friends have american names that their korean moms can't pronounce. my brother charles is "chals". my girlfriend leslie is "resrie". my friend elizabeth is "erijabet".
i'm a total korean mom and proud of it. i married the whitest korean boy on the planet (first korean guy i'd ever dated!) and have two korean sons. when we showed the boys to their great-hal-mon-ie, the first thing she did was strip off the diaper and check out their cho-ggi's. but my kmil still doesn't like me!
- August 5, 2008 at 10:11 AM
my MIL loves two things== Her korean dramas and the GAME SHOW NETWORK!I've never seen her watch anything else!!
I love it when someone gives a stupid answer on Match Game and she curses them out in Korean (at least I think that's what she's doing, because she rolls her eyes while she's saying it...lol)
- August 5, 2008 at 8:55 PM
Oh god. I work at a Korean-student heavy tutor/SAT prep place part-time, and the Korean moms there love to enroll their kids into study sessions during the summer--most of the korean kids there have clocked in 300-something hours already and are so bored to death of pseudo-studying they barely stay awake. God forbid though if one Korean mom finds out that their Korean neighbors/friends are sending their kids to study at XYZ center, they run to do the same during lunch break. I once had a Korean mom wait for me in the office while I was getting off work, track me to my car, and enthusiastically talk to me about how her son needs harder vocabulary homework.
- August 6, 2008 at 12:48 AM
- Sue said...
Driving gigantic American cars like the Lincoln Mark V, Cadillac El Dorado, or anything that will require a stack of phone books on the driver's seat.
- August 6, 2008 at 5:12 PM
- Sue said...
Bragging to the world that you're a lawyer. When you are not.
- August 6, 2008 at 5:33 PM
- Sue said...
Buying you sweaters with ducks and bunnies embroidered on the collars. For your 40th Birthday.
- August 6, 2008 at 5:34 PM
- Sue said...
Old toothbrushes. For "cleaning."
- August 6, 2008 at 5:50 PM
Korean moms love the name Grace. Your blog was forwarded to me by another Grace and everyone cc'd on it, along with myself, carry this name. Need more proof? Check out The Grace Lee Project documentary www.gracelee.net
- August 7, 2008 at 1:40 AM
- Seoul Brother said...
OldMom is semper psycho for lots of aspects of Asian culture, but only if it is her Asian culture. She loves the movie "Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter, and Spring," but there's no way in Hell she'd sit through "The Host," "D-War," "Natural City," or "OldBoy."
I tried to recommend that she read a book about the Kuan Yin Buddha, and of course it wasn't good enough that I liked it. She had to ask a high-fallutin' friend of hers about it, and I'm sure that since her friend said that the author was a pompous ass, she's not going to think as much of the book as I did. Her loss.
- August 7, 2008 at 9:59 PM
- Seoul Brother said...
And isn't it funny that there's a lot of "anonymous" posts? It's almost as if there's a lot of fear that there's gonna be a torrent of Stank Eye once a bunch of moms read this. At least my mom is enough of a luddite and curmudgeon that she doesn't even have broadband or cable yet. And my mom lives in Mon-gommmery County too.
- August 7, 2008 at 10:02 PM
- Sue said...
"Seoul Brother said...
OldMom is semper psycho for lots of aspects of Asian culture, but only if it is her Asian culture."
I gave my Mom a copy of Margaret Cho's book, "I'm the One That I Want" where all Cho does is talk about her crazy Korean mom. My mom read it and said, "that girl has uh bad self-uh-steem-uh."
- August 8, 2008 at 4:01 PM
seoul brother, of course most people on here are commenting anonymously! As glody said, we anonymous commenters have moms who would threaten suicide if they knew that we were even READING this blog, let alone TALKING about them on it! We don't want that on our consciences.
- August 12, 2008 at 1:43 PM
"katelyn said...
i'm a total korean mom and proud of it. i married the whitest korean boy on the planet (first korean guy i'd ever dated!) and have two korean sons. when we showed the boys to their great-hal-mon-ie, the first thing she did was strip off the diaper and check out their cho-ggi's. but my kmil still doesn't like me!"
I almost peed my pants when I read this!!!
- August 12, 2008 at 4:38 PM
A few topic ideas:
My mom insists on cleaning the floor on her hands and knees. Mops are dirty!
All Korean food is "good for you. No fat, all 'bej-table'." Apparently a crap load of salt in your food is not bad for you at all!
Maybe this is just my mom, but she can tear up the all you eat asian buffet, ESPECIALLY if there are crab legs.
Thanks for this blog, it's awesome!
- August 15, 2008 at 1:38 PM
Dude, KMs love Burberry! When I was younger, I wondered why my KM and all her friends had clothes and accessories w/ the same plaid print on them. Coincidence? It was only when I was older (and became aware of name brands) that I realized the KM obsession with that damn novacheck pattern. And it has to be the standard beige novacheck, not those pink or blue lines.
- August 20, 2008 at 4:30 PM
Meeting new people when I'm with my mom:
"She my do-ter. She loh-yah."
I have no name. I'm just a lawyer.
- August 20, 2008 at 4:37 PM
-Acupressure devices
-Juicers (then they proceed to juice the nastiest green concoctions ever)
-Old school country western music
-Elvis Presley (my mom thought that was just his first name Elvispresley)
-Clothing with mesh inserts (particularly for golfing)
-SPF 5000 sunscreen
-Making you scrub their back on mo-gyuk Thursdays
Ahhh I could go on forever....
- August 21, 2008 at 11:27 AM
- Su Won said...
1. Lamenting about how you've brought shame to the family name for bring home a B+ in any subject and describing just how ashamed your ancestors are because of you.
2. Getting the best price on anything, especially designer, whether it's haggling, a sale, discount shop, or an outright lie.
3. The promises of health, wealth and beauty if you eat your kong namul, soo len tang, or miyuk gook.
4. Disparaging any other culture, if it's not Korean, it's crap. Unless it's Hyundai - that's only bought out of ultra-nationalism
5. Weekend Korean School. Because it's just not enough that you go to school Monday through Friday and those Saturday morning cartoons only hamper your chances at getting into something Ivy League. And what better avenue outside of family to compare and contrast you against other Korean kids?
6. Suzuki method for piano/violin lessons.
When will Stuff Korean Dads Like make a special guest appearance? Oh man, the list I can make:
Golf shirts
Golf dates with other Korean Dads
Skipping out on Sunday Church service to go out golfing
black socks
fancy pens
Peace and Quiet(AKA, pretend the kids aren't there)
Every significant advancement of mankind originating in Korea, but Korea never got the credit
Cryptic remarks about why math(or whatever subject you hate) is important and deserves your attention
News/Sports radio
Making crazy food combinations when Mom isn't around to cook(peanut butter and bologna sandwiches convinced me my Dad was trying to kill me with ineptness. The man cannot operate a microwave.)
Answering you with "Oh really?" with each syllable ascending in pitch and volume.
Bad handwriting(although, this could also be due to my dad being a former doctor)
Critiquing you on the technical aspects of piano/violin playing, even if it's "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star"
Chain smoking
- August 22, 2008 at 1:59 AM
- John Kneeland said...
Harvard, and making you go there. If you don't get into Harvard, going to another Ivy League school is acceptable as long as you go to Harvard for grad school....
- August 22, 2008 at 3:40 AM
- Janet said...
Olympics! "KOREEYANS, VERY TOP FOR O LEEP PEECS. ARR CHU REE, TABLE TENNIS, BAD MEEN TON..." hahahaha... And yes, golf. But not running! No! too much sun!!
- August 22, 2008 at 11:12 AM
- Janet said...
OMG so true about the Dads! My father made my son take TKD since he was three. MADE HIM. Ditto on the smoking, crazy food combinations, .. my dad is from busan so he's everything you just wrote times 10! He has to mention that all korean presidents are from kyoung sang do, that the way our family speaks is the right way, seoul people are a bunch of snobs with no taste for good spicy food, cannot understand why a house full of children cannot be totally silent, being drunk with his college buddies singing loudly on a school night in our living room. I love my parents!
- August 22, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Here's something my Korean mom really likes--looking through high school or college graduation programs to see how many Koreans are listed, and grilling you about who they are so she can compare you to them (even if you have no friggin' clue who she is talking about). She invariably seeks out their moms for more comparing fun.
She also likes looking for Koreans in the phone book in every new city I live in. One time, she wanted to know where to buy Asian groceries in Charlottesville, VA, so she looked up random Kims in the phone book and called to ask! I was so mortified when I found out, but my mom acted like this was a perfectly normal thing to do. Next time, Mom, use Google!!!
- August 23, 2008 at 1:05 AM
- Crystal said...
Here are some post ideas:
-Not talking about sex. The topic of sex is forbidden. Besides, you've probably signed a True Love Waits covenant at your church at the tender age of 11, promising to remain a virgin until your wedding day. My "sex talk" with my mom went something like this:
"You know that bad thing?"
"Don't do it."
- August 26, 2008 at 10:09 PM
- hooners said...
침 (Cheem).
Both the saliva type and the acupuncture needles type.
and her hand. it can be used both to hurt and to heal. my mom would always say "umma sohn, yahk sohn" and but her hand on my stomach whenever i had a stomachache when i was little. sadly, she still tries to do this now, even tho i'm fully grown and know that antacids are all that's needed.
haha. you can credit JP if you choose to post!
- August 27, 2008 at 1:08 PM
Mayonaise! My mom LOVES mayo! I still wonder how potato salad became a mainstay at Korean restaurants!
- August 28, 2008 at 12:57 PM
- lilpandapaw said...
I must not have the only parents that do this: Wrapping things or leaving the plastic covering on various items, such as sofas, remote controls, lamps, decorative items, etc, so that they don't collect dust. Ironically, it just serves to collect more dust instead...
My mom also feels the never ending need to comment about every single piece of food and it's beneficial health properties: "almond-suh are good for you because they are full of cal-shium." "Mi-yuk is also high in cal-shium." This is the formula: "(insert food) is good for your health because it is full/high of/in (insert vitamin/nutritional supplement)" It takes a lot of fun out of eating.
- September 22, 2008 at 5:34 PM
Hmm how do you spell this out out? Phoenetically it's "ddeh-mi-roh". Since we were kids, my Korean mum used to give us a session of intense scrubbing in the bathtub once a week, using that rough cloth all Koreans seem to have (green or red with a couple of black stripes across the ends). You scrub until dirt rolls off much like when you use an eraser on paper. It hurt like hell! But I attribute my current supple smooth skin to this weekly ritual :)
- November 12, 2008 at 8:39 PM
I got a grandma or Hamina who does most things on the list
How about
- every time you fidget your foot or leg it means your going lose your fortune or luck
- Conserving every means of energy possible like lights, tv, music
- Too much tuppleware to have for two whole families but thats not good enough so she keeps the Chinese food take out plastic containers.
-cant whistle in the room or snakes will come out and get you?!
-weird methods of massage that smells awful like pausses( you know those sticker like bengay crap) My grandma keeps this comb like devise used to basically repeaptly bang her back and also using her fist to bang her aches
-drinking tea like ginger tea and green tea and some other teas believing it will cure ....something
- Gardening with HARD dignity over korean cumcumbers, korean peppers and that Leaf (koreans eat) (Taking care meticulously everyday to water them and prune them)
- February 9, 2009 at 10:04 AM
- Grace said...
My wonderful Korean mom...
Well, let me put it this way. I woke up from having general anesthesia in the hospital to someone patting something on my face.
In all of my grogginess, I woke up, realized I was in the hospital as my mother's face came into focus.
What was she patting on my face?
Because there were people in the hospital, she thought it best I look good (and trust me, that didn't really help) even amidst have had my insides torn out.
Go, MOM!
- June 30, 2009 at 5:48 PM
- kaleidoscope of colors said...
wearing your old clothes. seriously i threw out half my closet before moving into a college dorm and 3/4 boxes ended up in her closet. yes she wears the old worn out clothes. she says that if they don't have holes in them they are worth wearing.
- July 8, 2009 at 9:48 AM
instant coffee for sure!
also, what about going to any church or korean get together (picnic, bazaar, whatever) and anytime you win a "prize" you open up the wrapping paper to find that you've won toothpaste or boxes of tissues or soap.
also the towels with the church name printed on them.
and last of all corn. in potato salad (you know...the sweet kind). in pasta sauce. creamed corn. canned corn. korean style weird chewy corn that you can easily remove individual kernels of. corn on the cob. my mother LOVES corn
- October 14, 2009 at 12:05 PM
Thanks for sharing this link, but unfortunately it seems to be down... Does anybody have a mirror or another source? Please reply to my post if you do!
I would appreciate if a staff member here at stuffkoreanmomslike.blogspot.com could post it.
- September 8, 2010 at 11:26 PM