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Posted on 10/14/2011 12:50:47 PM PDT by casablanca
MANCHESTER, N.H. -- Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain has joined other candidates in boycotting the Nevada caucus unless the state moves its caucus date back to appease New Hampshire.
Cain's New Hampshire campaign co-chair Jack Kimball confirmed the decision Friday.
"Mr. Cain believes Nevada is making a bad problem worse, exacerbating a situation started by Florida moving it's primary into January," Kimball said.
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This is a mistake.
Either way, I'll be caucusing for Cain.
Not by Cain. He's joining almost all the others in the boycott. Romney's people are pushing the date up for his advantage. Time to put the foot down. Pretty soon, we'll be voting in primaries 2 years before the election if this crap keeps up
Lame. States can caucus or have a primary when they please. If Cain doesn't like it, don't compete in it.
Nevada caucus..sold to the highest bidder..fully rigged
The way it is done now is BS by allowing a handful of states to be the ones who pick our candidate. I say we have a national primary day and let the chips fall where they may.
The way it is done now is BS by allowing a handful of states to be the ones who pick our candidate. I say we have a national primary day and let the chips fall where they may.
You are correct, it is totally rigged. I have been involved with the Nevada caucus for over 12 years.
I quit the Republican Party last election here in Nevada when the powers that be inside it stabbed Angle in the back and gave their support to Harry Reid.
Now they are backing Romney. Suprise suprise suprise.
God Bless you.
"I say we have a national primary day and let the chips fall where they may."
I like that idea! Drop it in the GOP suggestion box—I'm sure they care.
Completely pathetic, wasn't it? Sheesh.
[ I say we have a national primary day and let the chips fall where they may. ]
Then after that day we have another primary day of the candidates taht are left over and they get picked as the Vice President Nominee.
We need to do this all at once to prevent the "sheep effect" that state primaries encourage. And make all primaries closed primaries as well.
We need to tout this as a true "The people of rht GOp Pick" and expose the hypocrisy of the whole "DNC Super-duper-lloper delegate" system.
The state organizations are part of a national organization. If they violate the rules of the national organization, then members who respect the national organization are correct in refusing patronage to the violating entity.
You don't think that the national organization is going to ignore the Nevada Caucus results, do you?
We'll have to see ... this is a Romney year and I find it doubtful Nevada, a Romney state, will be penalized.
You are correct, it is totally rigged. I have been involved with the Nevada caucus for over 12 years.
The leadership at the caucus (small town, conservative county) had no clue, or pretended to. The delegates were selected by volunteering. Basically who jumped up first. There as NO correlation between the caucuses' candidate preferences and who was selected. (Ron Paul's people jumped up fast).
I later contacted the party, squawked, and was told I could attend the next level convention as a delegate (again, not having been selected by my fellow citizens).
This time, I'm going to stand up, be a PITA, and ask "Who's in charge? How many delegates does this caucus elect? How are those delegates selected?" And I will vocally persist in an attempt to reach some kind of fairness and take it out of the hands of the party insiders.
Sounds like that's what Cain did. Since that is what you said he should do, why is it lame?
I wouldn't mind it. Put it in May and maybe you could stop the campaign season from starting so early. It's really the only way to give everyone an equal say. I'd try it with an instant-runoff ballot so nobody wins without a majority vote, this would shelve the role of the delegates in picking the nominee. Or you could award delegates proportionality and then let them battle it out at the convention, fun.
People can give you good reasons why it's a bad idea though.
>The way it is done now is BS by allowing a handful of states to be the ones who pick our candidate. I say we have a national primary day and let the chips fall where they may.<
It'll never happen. We're stuck letting a few states choose the candidate for the rest of us.
I wonder what the Founding Fathers would say about this incredibly biased method?
If all of the primaries were on the same day, I hope that we wouldn't have an instant runoff. Several candidates would win primaries, and no one would win a majority of the delegates. The convention would be more suspenseful and exciting, causing more people to watch and hear the great republican ideas. When the 1980 Republican National Convention started, four candidates had delegates, and no one had a majority of the delegates. In Nov., Reagan won about 40 states.
The biggest problem with a national primary day is tha tthe candidate with the most money would almost certainly win. It would be almost impossible for a candidate to have grass-roots efforts in all 50 states, and an insurgent wouldn't be able to, for example, win in Iowa or New Hampshire or South Carolina and then have enough time to raise funds and compete in other states. While it doesn't seem fair that IA and NH always go first, it would be far worse if all 50 states voted on the same day.
Having a national primary day (of course the "states rights" crowd will scream about that scenario unless all 50 states adapt the same day one by one), then awarding delegates based on percentage of the vote won in each state seems like the best scenario to me. Right now it's based on countries won or something, so McCain got 54 out of Illinois' 57 delegates, despite the fact he only won 48% of the popular vote in the primary. The breakdown in 2008 for the Illinois primary was like this:
John McCain 426,777 - 47.45% - 54 delegates
Mitt Romney 257,265 - 28.60% - 3 delegates
Mike Huckabee 148,053 - 16.46% - 0 delegates
Ron Paul 45,055 - 5.01% - 0 delegates
Rudy Giuliani* 11,837 - 1.32% - 0 delegates
Fred Thompson* 7,259 - 0.81% - 0 delegates
*Candidate withdrew prior to the primary
I suppose under the alternate plan, Ron Paul's 5% of the vote would entitle one or two of his nutty Illinois supporters to become delegates to the convention, but he still wouldn't get anywhere close to the nomination. Besides, if the GOP convention has 5% Paul loons advocating for him, that prevents them from doing what they did in 2008 and having their own convention since the GOP nominee was decided before the convention started.
There might be an occasional outcome like Rahm Emanuel's mayoral bid where some candidate gets over 50% of the delegates during the national primary and is thus assured of being the party nominee before the convention opens, but more likely than not you'd have 5 or 6 candidates going into the convention and you might see some wheeling and dealing during the convention where the third place guy throws his suppport to the second place guy so together their delegates outnumber the first place guy. That WOULD make conventions more exciting and harken back to the surprise picks of the 19th century, although a drawback would the guy with the biggest number of delegates going to the convention would complain he was robbed and his supporters would resent the process.
Personally, I'm tired of having no say in picking the candidate because the race is over by the time my state votes. Even when we had the insanely early Feb. 2nd primary so Illinois could be part of "super tuesday", half the candiates had dropped out before any Illinois citizen got to weigh-in on who the candidate should be.
All 50 states should get a chance to vote on every announced GOP primary at the start of the primary season. But Iowa and NH will scream bloody murder if anyone moves to stop them from deciding the GOP nominee for the rest of teh country.
The ruling class would say that it is doing is so that it can be a weeding out process so that the candidates won't have to raise enough money to run nationwide in a primary.
I can't recall if I mentioned it before, but I think there should be primaries held perhaps 5 at a time over a 10-week period. Divide the country up into 5 sections geographically with 10 states each (or by population, again divided into 5 groupings), with a lottery held to determine the order in which they participate from each section (with no more than 1 per section). No state should be "guaranteed" to have a first in the nation as New Hampshire does, it is unfair and absurd.
Cain's stand is "I will boycott NV but still hold events there." Makes as much sense as RNC rules or..9-9-9.
No, there is still pressure being put on to get states like Fla to move back their primaries and move the entire season back.
Romney pulled some strings to get as many primaries as possible to move up, because the believes it is to his advantage to hold the primaries before a concensus alternative to Romney emerges.
It is very much to Cain's advantage for the primaries to be moved back to their old schedule.
That wouldn't be as bad as a national primary, that's for sure. Of course, the hard part will be how to enforce it—NH would just hold their primary in January even if no delegates would be seated and the candidates would be too scared to ignore it (and the media would cover it).
"It's really the only way to give everyone an equal say."
Yes, I agree. There's really no reason IA and NH should hold so much "sway" over the rest of the nation.
On paper they will penalize them just like Florida. In the long run they will vote at the convention not to impose the penalty. In the short term it will blunt some of the immediate impact of the causcus. In the long run all it will do is extend the race if it is close.
Federal intervention may be the only way, and of course the validity of that would be challenged in court. Or perhaps the RNC could mandate a change on it's own somehow. (I don't give a crap about what the Dems do but didn't Hillary win the popular vote? ;d)
If all of the candidates ever got together and boycotted IA and NH........yeah like that would ever happen. ;p
>> States can caucus or have a primary when they please
Even if to advance a Romney agenda at the expense of further debates? Beware the establishment games.
"Or perhaps the RNC could mandate a change on its own somehow."
Yes, but they want Milt, so they aren't going to do squat.
It's a great idea though, as getting the Feds involved is a bad idea IMO.
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How heavy is the locker and contents? Guessing about 40 or 50 lbs? The coins alone would be almost 25lbs.
"Mmm, looks tasty." Mi'Dre comments as he emerges from the bedroom carrying the relocked lockbox-now with the canteen of whiskey added-to find Albina rummaging through the storage, examining some rather disgusting looking food. "Could you hand me some of that rope." he asks her, setting the box down long enough to sling the coil over his shoulder much like Albina had. "If you want some food I left some in the mess." he calls back to her before he heads into the hallway, and finds Grumblejack squeezing out into the hall.
"I'll tell ya what Grumblejack. If you hold onto this, and carry it out for me, then I'll let you have some of what's inside once we get away from this place." he tells the Ogre, holding out the lockbox to Grumblejack with a grin.
|DM - Voice of the Voiceless
|Shendalyn Shawn
"If we go, we leave the Warden alive. He can marshal the remaining guards and hound us quite quickly. It might make sense to at least assassinate him so that the remaining guards are left to stand around with no leadership," Albrecht says thoughtfully.
We can always just split the weight around and worry about proper division later. It's not like we have anywhere to run.
"Or rally at the death of their commander and hunt us down like dogs." Shendalyn muses. "I think we'd be better off sabotaging the ways off this island once we've secured a boat." Then Shendalyn glances at grumblejack and shrugs. "Or two. It keeps them from chasing us for quite a while. Still I'm not against the idea of revenge."
"Well, we've got plenty of fuel for some fires." Mi'Dre suggests with a grin. He was always happy to cause some mayhem and destruction. "I'm gunna go sneak around out there and see if there's anything else we can use first though."
Just waiting for a response from Grumblejack there to Mi'Dre's proposal.
|DM - Voice of the Voiceless
Grumblejack looks at the chest before shrugging and acceding to Mi'Dre's request "What so important in there?" Hefting the chest with a pained grunt. While he is an ogre, it is plain that he is still sickened by poison and wounded from the guard's ministrations and Blackerly's cut earlier.
You guys know that the prison sits high on an outcrop of rock which doesn't include any type of port. To get the mainland you'll need to cross a stone bridge that you wager is on the other side of the guardhouse Gurthock saw.
One on the mainland, your rendezvous with Albina's sister is across the moors.
|Black Jack
Black Jack retrieves the greatsword from the armory, 50ft of rope, a lantern that he fills with oil, the canteen with whiskey, 3 rations that he tries to select among the more edible ones and the adventure's outfit Mi'dri found. Civilian cloths, nice! Not finding a backpack he improvise a sack with one of the blankets from the barracks and picks an extra one just in case.. While in the kitchen he looks for drinkable water, if there is any Jack will empty the whiskey, after drinking some, and fill the canteen with it.
After getting ready he rejoins the rest of them in mid conversation.
While I would love to split that bastard's skull I am not sure how wise it would be for us to linger around hunting for him. It has been an eventful day. Jack says scratching one of his bruises.
Did shorty saw any horses or wagon?
Srry by the delay in posting DM VoV. I got swallowed by work this week. Updated my equipment.
|Albrecht d'Famion
|DM - Voice of the Voiceless
Jack - the kitchen is where the servant fled into and you then barred the door... so you don't have access to it. Do you still take a swig of whiskey from the flask?
As Mi'Dre attempts to slip through the door unseen... he picks a time when a pair of guards are circling the top of the fort wall to the North East past the dog cage. One of them reacts as the dogs back and sees Mi'Dre as he exits the door, his hand going to the signal horn at his side as he yells "Feck, they got past the Sergeant"
The pair are on top of a wall, so you wouldn't be able to get at them in melee. They have longbows with them, though if you desired to move quickly you could surge forward to the fountain to take cover.
|Black Jack
If that's the whiskey with the floral scent from the bedroom Mi'Dre had already put that into the lockbox that Grumblejack has
Mi'Dre curses loudly at the poor timing, and does indeed rush forwards to take cover, before mentally calling back to Albina "<expletive> guards were waitin' when I came out!"
|Albina Mariposa
|Black Jack
|DM - Voice of the Voiceless
I'm not entirely sure whether to flip to combat yet... will pend on a few of the following actions.
At present - Mi'Dre is outside taking cover behind the fountain. Two guards are roughly 60ft away from him on top of the perimeter wall. The only access that you can see to the top of the wall is via the guardhouse before you (closed door).
Everyone else is still presently inside.
The guard that spotted Mi'Dre puts the signal horn to his lips and blows a clear sound into the night. The second squints his eyes into the gloom and says "Where? I don't see a thing"
How do you react? - do those inside come out? and what is Mi'Dre's next move?
|Black Jack
|Black Jack
|DM - Voice of the Voiceless
|DM - Voice of the Voiceless
|Shendalyn Shawn
Damn internets troubles! Should all be fixed now hopefully so no more disappearing from me.
Mi'Dre winces as the signal horn sounds; it seemed they'd been lucky the first time, the exterior guards assuming the internal ones would deal with them, but he doubted they'd have such luck this time. As the others burst through the door behind him he crouches, waiting for his opportunity, before barreling forwards again, heading straight for the guard house door about as fast as his small legs can carry him, not looking like he's going to stop unless something changes.
|DM - Voice of the Voiceless
Seems we are missing Albrecht and Albina? They'll tag along... for now
As the group lunges for the cover of the fountain, Grumblejack emerges from the prison and triggers another wave of epithets from the wall.
Signalman looses another blast of the horn before dropping it and stringing his longbow. The other guard now has visual proof of hostiles as well and gets to readying his own ranged weapon.
Mi'Dre rushes forwards and throws open the double doors to the main gatehouse revealing a room 80ft x 50ft and with a set of double doors on the other side of the room.
The dogs continue yapping within their cage, but cannot free themselves.
For ease, I'll keep it in us vs them initiative for a little while longer - until I'm sure where the combat will occur.
Mi'Dre - at doors to gatehouse
Albina / Shendalyn + Fleshmincer / Albrecht / Black Jack - taking cover behind the fountain roughly 30ft from the gatehouse
Grumblejack - standing near to the fountain and not in cover.
Two guards - on the Eastern wall roughly 80ft from the fountain.
Perception: 1d20 + 8 ⇒ (3) + 8 = 11
*facepalms and sighs*
So there's only the double doors then, no other exits?
Mi'Dre once again curses under his breath, spinning around and leaning out of the door ever so slightly, trying to catch sight of some other method of gaining the wall. They could just try and flee, but he'd feel better not having Archers shooting arrows into their butts, even if the prison staff had been fairly mediocre so far for something with as fierce a reputation as Branderscar.
|DM - Voice of the Voiceless
Slight facepalm for me too...
To the left of the doubledoors by 40 odd feet (within the prison grounds) is a second single door that enters the gatehouse. Mi'Dre wagers it would get you inside the gatehouse to the West of the Western arrow slits.
For clarity:
Two exits into the guardhouse from the prison grounds.
The double doors - which lead into a rectangular room with only one exit.
The single door to the West - which should lead to a space behind the arrowslits in the West wall.
|Albina Mariposa
Perception 1d20 + 2 ⇒ (20) + 2 = 22
Despite being first out the door (after Mi'Dre, anyway), Albina attempts to keep herself in the middle of the pack, unwilling to stick out and make a target of herself.
She points to the East wall and whispers, "I hear guards through those arrow slits, we can't stay here in the courtyard..."
|Black Jack
|DM - Voice of the Voiceless
|Albrecht d'Famion
|Shendalyn Shawn
1d20 + 0 ⇒ (12) + 0 = 12 Perception
1d20 + 4 ⇒ (17) + 4 = 21 Perception Gurthock
The little devil nods in agreement with Albina and Shendalyn shakes his head. "Stuck in the middle of a courtyard with pointy death awaiting on all sides. Any ideas for a daring escape?"
|DM - Voice of the Voiceless
The two guards have now strung their longbows and each take a shot at the approaching ogre, forsaking the smaller targets for the larger...
Longbow: 1d20 + 2 ⇒ (14) + 2 = 16 for 1d8 ⇒ 2
Longbow: 1d20 + 2 ⇒ (13) + 2 = 15 for 1d8 ⇒ 1
...the arrows thunking into his flesh solidly, but despite all his wounds he still lives on - though barely.
Grumblejack roars in pain and rumbles up next to the wall, using the chest Mi'Dre gave him to hold as a makeshift morningstar...
Big heavy Chest: 1d20 + 6 ⇒ (5) + 6 = 11 for 2d6 + 4 ⇒ (1, 1) + 4 = 6
...though his desperate flail does not meet flesh.
The western door is flung open and you are greeted with an empty room that bears a ladder in the centre leading upwards.
You can all bundle into the western room and out of LoS for now - though you'll need to forsake Grumblejack to his probably inevitable doom...
|Albina Mariposa
|Albrecht d'Famion
Heal: 1d20 + 2 ⇒ (14) + 2 = 16
Mi'Dre glances back with a frown as Grumblejack roars in pain. He would have liked to keep the infernal brute, sure that some use could be made of him, but he couldn't do anything from down here anyway. He turns away, moving into the room and heading for the ladder with as much speed as he can manage.
|Black Jack
|DM - Voice of the Voiceless
Assuming that Shendalyn and co follow you in
As you rush for the relative safety provided by the side room in the guardtower you see the guards dodge to the side and return fire on Grumblejack...
Longbow: 1d20 + 3 ⇒ (10) + 3 = 13 for 1d8 ⇒ 5
Longbow: 1d20 + 3 ⇒ (3) + 3 = 6 for 1d8 ⇒ 3
...one shot going wide, but the other lodging in the ogre's belly and sending him to the ground clutching at the almost disappeared shaft. He twitches on the ground showing he lives yet, but Grumblejack is out of the fight for now.
Within the room that you have taken refuge, the only exit is the central ladder - which you wager would get you to the same level within the guard house as the top of the perimeter wall that the two guards stand upon.
Up the ladder - or another direction?
|Shendalyn Shawn
Mmm, I would have liked to. We'll see what happens.
"Assuming we can get out of the gatehouse up there..." Mi'Dre agrees with Shendalyn, and if nobody beats him to it he starts to climb the ladder, peering onto the next floor.
General Perception check: 1d20 + 8 ⇒ (20) + 8 = 28
|Albina Mariposa
|DM - Voice of the Voiceless
Reading back over the thread it would seem that I inadequately described the room that you entered through the double doors... You entered on the south side, and on the north side were a second set of heavy double doors. Apologies it that was lost in my addled description.
Grumblejack is currently down - not dead yet. So he can still be salvaged later if you would like.
Moving through the room and up the ladder you find yourself in a large chamber that spans the width of the gatehouse. A door is on the Western wall, and there is a ladder against the North wall that leads to the roof of the gatehouse.
In the central area you see the murderhole that looks down upon the central chamber.
The East bears a single door that you wager leads to where the guards from outside on the wall will soon be entering. You also see a trapdoor that would gain access to the ground level in the eastern side of the tower. There is also another ladder leading upwards.
The Northern wall is lined with arrow slits.
Mi'Dre can hear noises coming from the East - sounds of chairs falling over and indistinct voices of men.
|Black Jack
Yeah, Mi'Dre wasn't interested in getting away just at the moment (which is where he assumes the other gate will lead). He wants to take out the archers first.
Mi'Dre steps away from the ladder, looking around the room at their options. It seems they could exit onto the wall from here which had been his goal, so the demon preceeds Jack to the Eastern door and presses his ear to it, readying himself should it open suddenly.
|Albrecht d'Famion
|Shendalyn Shawn
|DM - Voice of the Voiceless
Black Jack and Mi'Dre rush to the East to face the guards expected to emerge from the wall and Shendalyn and Albrecht follow close behind. However after Jack and the devil get close you are interrupted by the trapdoor in the floor clattering open. A waft of cheap whiskey flows from the trapdoor and the head of a guard pops up between you.
Hopefully map tonight if my computer agrees with me, but here is the layout:
Mi'Dre and Black Jack 10ft East of the trapdoor; and the door to the wall another 20ft from them.
Albrecht and Shendalyn / Fleshmincer 10ft West of the trapdoor.
Albina is ~15-20ft West of the trapdoor.
Black Jack: 1d20 + 2 ⇒ (9) + 2 = 11
Mi'Dre: 1d20 + 4 ⇒ (4) + 4 = 8
Albrecht: 1d20 + 2 ⇒ (15) + 2 = 17
Shendalyn + Gurthock: 1d20 + 1 ⇒ (18) + 1 = 19
Guards: 1d20 + 0 ⇒ (6) + 0 = 6
Round 1: Shendalyn and Gurthock, Albrecht, Albina, Black Jack, Mi'Dre, Guards
|Albina Mariposa
|Albrecht d'Famion
|Shendalyn Shawn
"Evening sir!" Shendalyn says manically as he brins his own sword down on the man. "Might you point out the way to the midden heap?"
This will likely provide flanking to Midre or Blackjack
Move: Move next to guard.
Swift: Arcane Strike
1d20 + 4 ⇒ (18) + 4 = 22
1d8 + 7 ⇒ (3) + 7 = 10
Gurthock will mutter and move next to shendalyn but otherwise not act.
|DM - Voice of the Voiceless
Argh! The initiative roller hates meeee!
Mi'Dre pauses momentarily as the hatch opens behind him, not terribly surprised that there were guards somewhere within the gatehouse. He was slightly confused as to how to get into that room from below, but they hadn't exactly had a lot of time to explore...
Regardless with the others quickly dispatching the guard who poked his head up, Mi'Dre continues with his original goal, moving quietly to the door and listening for how far away the guards on the wall are, ready for the door to open.
Stealth & Perception:
1d20 + 12 ⇒ (5) + 12 = 171d20 + 8 ⇒ (7) + 8 = 15
Mi'Dre is readying a Noxious Breath for whoever opens the eastern door.


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Due to exceptionally high power consumption of the latest GeForce GTX 480 graphics chip, Nvidia Corp. itself did not date to create a dual-chip solution on its base. But Asustek Computer has developed a graphics board featuring two GeForce GTX 480 processors and is now evaluating possibilities and feasibility to release it commercially.
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Nintendo, the company that sold most of current-generation game consoles, is rumoured to release its next-generation video game system already next year. The rumour is not a new one since a game publisher exec said last month that Nintendo's new console may be due "by 2011". What is interesting is that the next-gen Wii will support high-definition gaming, hence, will be considerably more powerful.
French-language web-site Logic Sunrise claims citing industry sources that the new Nintendo game console will feature high-definition video output (for 720p or 1080p) as well as support for Blu-ray disc in order to limit piracy. The new system will be designed in order to inspire owners of current-generation Wii owners to migrate to the new console and will likely offer better-quality casual games.
The next-generation game console is claimed to be released sometime in 2010, on the same day all around the world. It is interesting to note that usually, information about hardware development contracts for future game systems emerges years earlier than the console arrives to the market, hence, it is a surprise that this time "Wii 2" is a complete mystery: it is completely unclear which technology companies helped Nintendo to create its next-generation game console.
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I would much rather like to see Prigs starting but i can live with Shump sliding down at the 2 and Cope getting starter minutes.
All indications are that Prigs will miss some time because of that ankle sprain and TC said he feels great and the bulging disc was a blessing in disguise because his legs feel fresh from the rest. So it looks like Copeland may start in place of Prigs.
All year Woody has played with improvised lineups that have worked but starting Shump at SG and Copeland at SF may be the best combo he's put on the floor to date. Copeland has been impressive playing starters minutes in the last two games and while Woody is non-committal on Cope starting I think it's a ploy not to tip his hand to the Celts. How can he ignore Cope's performance? He may be a rookie not used to playoff pressure but I think you have to use him.
Starting Lineup
PG Raymond Felton
SG Iman Shumpert
SF Chris Copeland
PF Carmelo Anthony
C Tyson Chandler
I would much rather like to see Prigs starting but i can live with Shump sliding down at the 2 and Cope getting starter minutes.
I like that lineup but I hope Prig an be back by game 2
"I'm not going nowhere"
"That is one of the reasons why I wanted to come here to New York, just so I could take on those pressures and those challenges." -Carmelo Anthony
I kinda like the lineup but hate making a drastic move like this for Game 1...but Cope will space the floor for Melo as well as providing driving room for Raymond on penetrations with his ability to hit open J's. I like Shump at the 2 more than the 3
But I did like Copeland simply being a spark along with JR to create fits for the 2nd unit which is where we will pull away from Boston.
"I'd Rather Melo shoot with 3 men on him than Jefferies shotting wide open"
-Jeff Van Gundy
If Prig is not available, here is my starting lineup:
I am not impressed with Shumperts offense at all. His defense is not as good as it was last year due to lack of lateral movement after that surgery i think.
On the other hand, JR is as good defensively right now, and his offense is about 100 times better. This is my reason to take Shump out from the starting lineup. Its time to start JR.
Very impeessed with Copelanss offense, he can shoot from any distance, he can drive, he can dunk, he can do pretty much everything offensively and is getting better on D. Sometimes he looks unstoppable, lol.
I really think he is our second best offensive weapon. Yes, better than JR.
If you can play your best players from the getgo, then you do that.
This way we dont fall behind on the scoreboard from the beginning.
Also, if JR takes ill advised shots, or his shot is off, take him out, bring KMart. This way you improve your D, and still have enough offensive firepower.
Woody is pretty stubborn about having JR come off the bench but maybe he changes his mind or plays KMart at the 4 instead of Melo. Highly doubt it though, if Cope doesn't rate the start I think Kidd starts in place of Prigs.
If i have to guess, Woodson will start Kidd in place of Prig, which would be a big mistake IMO
I am 100% fine with JR coming off the bench.....I would like to see how a lineup would do with Kmart at the 4, Melo 3 and Shump 2 but doubt it happens unless Woodson has no other choice.
As long as we're relatively healthy we're kickin the sht outta the Celtics regardless of who starts IMO anyways. I don't underestimate the Celtics, it's just others underestimate the Knicks IMO.
I think Cope is getting better each game. Don't mind him starting or JR with either as 6th man...Can you believe we still get no respect. Bleacher report has this series going 7 games
JR has to come from bench, like Terry did 2 years ago.
I cant wait man, Celtics @ Knicks 1st playoff game I hope we set the tone


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U.S. committing economic suicide
We Americans often are accused of not keeping up with more "progressive" folks in slashing our use of coal. We're supposed to feel inferior, somehow, because we haven't stopped using the most economical means of generating electricity.
Don't believe it. A few weeks ago, I was among a group of newspaper people listening to an energy policy analyst. She asked us if we knew what country imports the most U.S. coal.
China, you think?
Wrong. It's Germany. Yes, Germany, home to one of the most militant "green" movements in Europe.
While we Americans are shutting down coal-fired power plants right and left, the Germans are building new ones. Twenty-four are under construction right now, the analyst told us.
In fact, Germany is increasing the percentage of its electricity generated at coal-fired power plants. In 2012 the number was 44 percent. Last year it was 45.5 percent.
Numbers ringing a bell in your head? They should: Germany now gets more electricity from coal than we do (at about 43 percent).
Among the most populous countries, coal is by far the most-favored fuel for electricity generation.
China gets 81 percent of its power from coal (and, the last time I heard, was opening a new coal-fired plant every week). India's percentage is 68.
In other words, it doesn't really matter what the U.S. does about coal-fired electricity. We already are becoming a minor player in CO2 emissions (China is the world leader).
And in coal production, we're way behind the Chinese. In 2012, the U.S. mined 935 million tons of coal – slightly more than one-fourth of the Chinese total.
Now, here's the thing: Radical environmentalists from all over the world demand that we Americans stop burning coal. If we do, our electricity costs will skyrocket.
Meanwhile, the rest of the world – including some countries about which the "greens" brag – will be using more coal.
Their power costs will be stable, perhaps even decreasing.
And their economies will have an enormous competitive edge over ours.
Beginning to get the picture? We're being asked to commit economic suicide – and, incredible as it seems, we're doing it.
No wonder many people in the rest of the world have so little regard for us.
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By Karl Terry: PNT Managing Editor
For Kimberly Novak's parents, who will travel to New Mexico from their home in Arkansas for the murder trial of her husband, the investigation into their daughter's death has been a long, slow, excruciating process.
Edward Novak II was charged in March 2006 with the Oct. 28, 2004, slaying of his 20-year-old wife, and with child neglect involving the couple's daughter following Kimberly Novak's death. The daughter was younger than 2 at that time.
Novak is a former Cannon Air Force Base airman.
Kimberly Novak's parents say they're ready for closure.
"This happened in 2004, and it's taken the military all this time just to file charges and strengthen the case against (Edward Novak)," said Donald Bollman, Kimberly's father. "Now he's finally seeing trial. Now we need to see him found guilty."
Edward Novak's defense attorney Maj. Shawn Vandenburg agreed on a need for closure.
"I think it's safe to say that everybody in this case is ready for this to go forward," Vandenburg said.
The Bollmans did not return calls to Freedom New Mexico this week, but in a story on Little Rock, Ark., television station KHTV, they said their daughter was a newlywed at the time of her death and was planning to leave Cannon and the Air Force to be a full-time mother. They said she was within her last 120 days of service.
Edward Novak called police the night of his wife's death and told emergency responders that when he returned to the couple's base housing unit at Cannon, after being gone 30 to 40 minutes, he found his wife slumped over a toilet with her head inside the bowl and both the lid and seat down on the back of her neck. A television was on top of the lid.
Investigators say Novak died from blunt force trauma to the back of the head and neck.
Edward Novak has been incarcerated, serving a 15-month prison sentence, since he pleaded guilty to child abuse charges last March. He was dishonorably discharged from the Air Force following that sentence.
In testimony at a hearing last March, military officials testified that Novak's daughter was found alone, in her crib in the military housing unit assigned to her father. She was in unsanitary conditions and malnourished, according to testimony.
In testimony during two separate Article 32 hearings in the case, military prosecutors charged that the couple had experienced financial difficulties and one possible motive for the killing could have been for $300,000 in life insurance Edward Novak might have collected following his wife's death.
Defense attorneys argued the investigation into the death was botched by investigators, and the evidence was largely circumstantial because Edward Novak was not home when his wife died but had left to return a borrowed car.
During those hearings the defense also raised the possibility that Novak's death could have been the case of mistaken identity.
They said a witness in an unrelated homicide, which occurred in Clovis, had been threatened to the point that the Air Force put the witness and his military spouse in the Air Force's Threatened Airman program. Attorneys argued that couple, who lived on the same street as the Novaks, could have been the intended target.
Since Edward Novak was charged, the couple's daughter has been in the custody of social services. The Bollmans said in the KHTV story that they are seeking to adopt their granddaughter.
Vandenburg refused comment on what the defense strategy in the case would be or whether the mistaken identity angle would be pursued further.
The trial before military jury is expected to take up to three weeks. If convicted, Edward Novak could be sentenced to life in prison.
The trial begins Monday at the Cannon courthouse.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.


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Controlling Hawaii's pigeon population has traditionally involved shooting, trapping or poisoning them. But a company from California is selling a new way to greatly reduce pigeon populations without killing the birds.
Pigeons are all over Ala Moana Beach Park and throughout Waikiki. They walk the beach. They hang out on statues. They hover above and inside open-air restaurants and bars, hoping to steal some food.
"They're here because people are here and people are feeding them and they don't have any natural predators," said Inga Gibson, Hawaii state director of The Humane Society of the United States.
A representative of Innolytics, a company based in Rancho Santa Fe, Calif., is in Honolulu promoting the product that he calls ?birth control for birds.? Innolytics sells an automatic feeder that drops bait laced with OvoControl, which prevents pigeons from producing viable eggs.
"You effectively have an egg that's unfertilized," said Erick Wolf, CEO of Innolytics. "Instead of taking a birth control pill, it's mixed into a little kibble. It looks like little cat food kibbles."
Right now, if people want to exterminate pigeons in Hawaii, they need to get a wildlife control permit from the state Department of Land and Natural Resources. But the company said no such permit is needed with their method since they don't kill any birds.
"You get roughly a 50 percent decline in population in a year. So that compounds, of course. The following year you get another 50 percent, so on and so forth," Wolf said.
He said he already has a few clients in Hawaii, and the Humane Society of the United States hopes more follow.
"We are here to encourage the community, policy makers, council members, to embrace humane, effective, non-lethal technology to control some of these bird populations," said Gibson.
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Following his commanding performance during President Obama's historic 2013 visit to the SFJAZZ Center and receiving a Kennedy Center honor, jazz's greatest pianist and composer returns to Miner Auditorium accompanied by a truly dizzying band of all-stars. A trailblazing artist whose inimitable touch and telepathic musical intuition has been at the heart of every major musical advance since the early 1960s, Herbie Hancock has always been the art's most relentless searcher. As a star pianist for Blue Note Records, he recorded with a who's-who of jazz icons and led a string of essential sessions, penning the standards "Dolphin Dance," "Cantaloupe Island," "Watermelon Man" and countless other classics. He turned the jazz world upside down as part of Miles Davis' epochal '60s quintet and freely embraced the electronic revolution, ushering in the birth of the jazz/rock hybrid called fusion and the subsequent development of hip hop. He was named an NEA Jazz Master in 2004.
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Sasuke wins. Amaterasu FTW.
People are forgetting Samehada as well. I'm pretty sure it would render Susanoo useless by absorbing the chakra, if it can absorb tailed beast chakra I'm sure it can absorb Susanoo's chakra too. Killer in V2 mode will cause a lot of problems for Sasuke and dodge most of Sasuke's attacks in this form. In full 8 tails mode although his tailed beast bomb would fodderise Susanoo, he's too big. This makes him an easy target for Amaterasu.
I wonder in Samehada can absorb the black flames????
It's too close to call for me. If Sahmehada can absorb Susanoo then Killer Bee will win because his taijutsu and speed is superior to Sasuke's. Amaterasu won't work on him again either.
If Samehada is usless against Susanoo then Sasuke will overwhelm Killer Bee and win. Although tailed beast ball will do lots of damage I'm guessing Amaterasu can be used faster than bee can unleash tailed beast bomb. And full 8 tails ain't avoiding that. Killer Bee's best bet is to not go full 8 tails, V2 max in order to maintain high speeds. While Sasuke's best bet is to utilize flame control to the best of his abilities to prevent Killer Bee touching him.
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We haven't seen any/enough of Sasuke's EMS capabilities to come to a firm decesion, however with Sasuke does have much better control over his Sharingan, so i say Sasuke med-high difficulty
Bee isn't getting past Susanoo if he doesn't go full hachibi. Then he's a giant target for blaze magatamas, arrows, or amaterasu. Samehada could barely absorb a fireball, so it won't absorb amaterasu.
Sasuke mid/high diff
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I made the thread and right now i think Bee would win so Many good comments and i decided that Bee is the winner!
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I made the thread and right now i think Bee would win so Many good comments and i decided that Bee is the winner!
Sasuke that Fought bee had the perfect arsenal to defeat bee. This Still beeing MS Sasuke.
While it is true that Killer bee's Swordplay and Taijutsu outclass sasuke's. The Susanoo Ribcage with Amaterasu Covering nullifies these Talents that Killer Bee Possess. With this Amazing combination of Blaze Release and Susanoo Attacks such as these:
Killer Bee Battle against the weakest Sasuke ever seen in the shippuden series and this is supported by the fact that he was Still no fully healed from his battle with Itachi:
Sasuke's Snake powers and Curse mark was sealed and was now battling with literally no knowledge of his own powers. His Lighting style was counter by the fact that Killer bee was also Lighting style.
Killer Bee has no attacks that would Break Blaze Release Susanoo so his Taijutsu and Sword play as stated before would be useless.
To Your Arguement about Killer Bee being distracted by Suigetsu when Sasuke used the Amaterasu, this is what Suigetsu looked like before Sasuke used the Amaterasu:
True this does catch the eye:D, but I think Killer B was finished with Suigetsu.
Killer B has no hope, fighting from a range leaves Sasuke the victory because Amaterasu, Susanoo Arrow and TBB All have the fact in common that they are 1 Hit Kill Moves. Sadly, TBB Lacks the speed feats to match up with Amaterasu and Susanoo Arrow. Leaving Killer B Destroyed.
Killer B Now Possesses the Sameheda
Sameheda has shown to have 2 things that make me feel as if it would on be helpful temporarily. The fact that Sameheda has a Limit and a strong dislike for Katon ninjutsu.
The limit that Sameheda has was shown in the battle against Killer B:
As shown in this Page the Sameheda can not Absorb alot of Chakra at once, it was shown that when touching B. It was said B at 7 tailed Cloak but once Touched by Sameheda he was only reduce to 1 tail instead of having the entire cloaked removed. This limit was shown again when Killer B went for the Lariat:
Sameheda touched B and he reverted back into Hachibi Version 1.
Therefore Sameheda can not absorb a Large amount of Chakra at once.
Sameheda has shown it's dislike for heat related Ninjutsu when Killer B used it to absorb up a portion of Itachi's Katon Release: Grand Fireball:
Sameheda showed it's disgust and disapproval of absorbing Ninjutsu with Fire involved and Killer B helps the reader to further understand this by said "Can't Take the Heat."
Where am i going with these Sameheda flaws is that with Susanoo needing a Great deal of Chakra, being compared to Bijuu and Amaterasu being the highest Level of Fire Ninjutsu, the combination of both these two at the time time would be to much for Sameheda to absorb all in 1 Serving. Sasuke having the ability to hold both Simultaneously I do believe Sameheda will not be able to Absorb Blaze Release: Susanoo in one serving and with Sameheda being need for Bee to counter Sasuke Amaterasu, Sasuke having the ability to Spam it now makes Sameheda unable to handle it. Sameheda having a personality may just end up refusing to even absorb sasuke chakra with it being so Sinister probably giving it a bad "Flavor" and him being an Katon and Enton user:
There is no way Sameheda will Absorb Susanoo Covered in Enton and still absorb a Spam of the the Exact "Flavor" it dislikes.
Yes Sameheda can eat would it does not like to but to much of it would cause it to refuse to eat anymore. Example:
IF a Child thinks eating Spinach and Broccoli is nasty can't stand the "Flavor" he can probably still force down some Spinach, but having to each Spinach and Broccoli at the same time and then having to eat another plate of Spinach and another Plate the child will eventually act out and refuse to eat anymore.
Killer B's Eight Tails Whirl Wind:
Another known skill of Killer B is this attack:
]Many people supporting Sasuke's case have been speechless to this attack but Sasuke has shown a Strategy to us already of how he would deal with this. Sasuke could use the Susanoo arms to clench the ground and then shoot a fireball into these massive winds.
Wind makes fire stronger and that is alot of wind to power up any of Sasuke's fire element jutsu and looking at how much wind that Killer B created adding Sasuke's fire nature in to boost damage would do serious damage to any oppoenent including killer B. Who's to say with Sasuke adding Enton to this Enormous fuel that this would not be an instant prep for Kirin? Kirin Requires the air to be hot and Amaterasu which is a Jutsu that is based upon the Enton flames being a possible source to fuel Kirin:
This attack could just very will create the end for Killer B.
Here is the strategy put to action against Danzo:
While the sucking attack is based on "pulling" Susanno clenching the ground kept Susanoo from being pulled in even with Danzo attacking with a "Pushing" wind attack from the backside. Danzo even states that his wind attacks power was increased do to the suction of the baku. All these combos were supposed to move Susanoo out of it's place but even with the Pulling winds from the front and the increased wind power pushing from the backside Susanoo doesn't move. Then shooting the fireball during the wind causing the power of Sasuke's fireball to increase and with the size of the winds Killer B made along with the fire boost that would do serious damage to anyone.This combo killer the Baku but on a smaller scale.
This combination should in fact be enough to withstand and counter attack Killer B's attack. While some trees with unrooted some trees were still in their place. Susanoo's grip in theory would hold Sasuke in place.
There is also the option of attacking during Killer B's Prep of this move with Susanoo Arrow or Amaterasu:
Susanoo arrow being able to interrupt Danzo's hand seals and being faster than Kakashi's body can react shows that it should have the speed feats to attack Killer B before the move:
I will talk about each of your points in order to make it easily to see and understand which point at which part of my post I am making a rebuttal to.
Starting with Killer B and his newly found knowledge of the Sharingan.
Yes Killer B has shown that he has known to attempt attacking a Sharingan user while they are closing their eye to use Amaterasu:
Sadly, Killer B did not learn enough from his fight from Sasuke to realize attacking in the style he did against Itachi would never work on an Uchiha using Amaterasu and here is why..
When using Amaterasu it is shown that the user must close his eye. Closing 1 eye does not leave an Uchiha open, they still have 1 eye open. If Killer B attempts to attack Sasuke in that same fashion as he has shown he will fail to land his attack do to the Sharingans base power of reading linear attacks. Killer B throws the sword in a linear fashion which can not be helped but this would cause Sasuke or any Sharingan user to see the attack coming and avoid it like any other linear attack no matter the speed:
Any Lighting enhanced sword or range attack that Killer B would attempt while using the Amaterasu would be counter by the 1 eye still open.
Killer B's Linear Attack:
Also something about Sasuke that people do not note often is that his speed feats with Amaterasu transcend Itachi's. Therefore using Itachis attacks in any argument against Sasuke is illegitimate.
Itachi's Amaterasu speed feats:
Sasuke's Amaterasu Speed feats:
We barely ever see Sasuke having to close his eye before like Itachi. Sasuke uses Amaterasu one a much quicker scale than Itachi.
Now yes your absolutely correct about the Jinchiriki defenses and that the nine tails was able to within stand an attack from the Kusangi blade.This sword most likely received it's name from attacking non-chakra boosted defenses. Since I have no proof of this I won't rely on this in my argument but do you believe that based of this hype of this blade that it could cut through a Susanoo? doubtful. Or think about Kishimoto's entry on the databook for Sasuke. Do you think Sasuke literally has the speed of a God? If he did Naruto's speed would not be as much of a problem as it is for Sasuke. Try not to depend so much on the hype of the weapon.
Now to address your approach on the Susanoo arrow. You must realize that the Susanoo arrow has never been blocked. Susanoo Arrow has pierce everything and anything it has come into contact with including that pillar you posted a picture of. Can you tell me where the point of that arrow is? Did you continue to read through the manga after seeing this picture? The very next panel shows that the Susanoo Arrow pierced clean through the pillar:
If you look at the top left panel you can see Susanoo from a front view and the Snakes and Pillar from a back view. You see the point of the Susanoo Arrow showing on the other side of the Pillar.
Many people attempt to down grade Susanoo arrows worth using this picture but this only adds to it's feats that it has always pierced through what it hits:
Hashirama's wood Style:
The Susanoo Arrow is a technique that is ment for "Pierce" not destroying. Everyone trys to say that because the Susanoo Arrow did not destroy the pillar that it is weak but the point of a "Pierce" is ment to penetrate a defense and not to blow it up. Chidori is also a Pierce which is why it penetrates and not explodes like a Rasengan. The best example of the difference between Pierce and Explosion is this:
Chidori penetrated/Pierced while Rasengan blew up the back:
Susanoo has always Pierced what it has made contact with. As of now Susanoo Arrow has never been Blocked. It always Penetrates as designed.
Now my rebuttal towards Kabuto using water style and hitting Sasuke. I really do not know how to explain why this happened. Maybe it was the fact that a Sage mode boost the power of Ninijutsu attacks and that Kabuto has exceeded even those of Perfect Sages using Juugo's cells, but I can defend Sasuke by Saying 1 that was only the Susanoo ribcage and two we have seen his Ribcage block attacks on a Much Larger Scale:
Now about Killer B's Destructive power, yes Killer B has shown that he can break ground down a bit:
But do you truly feel that the Raikage in which Sasuke's already blocked attacks from could not do an attack of such Destruction?
I think your exaggerating the power of Killer B to try and equal his destructible power on the scale of Susanoo's Defense. Killer B is not break through Susanoo with just Taijutsu and with that single attack on Susanoo covered in Amaterasu Killer B would be engulf in the Enton flames and burn to death. Killer B attacks with his Body:
Would mean attempting to cut limbs off would not work because their is to much of his body to cut for him to live. Sasuke Amaterasu also shows to engulf the entire body unlike Itachi's:
Making Contact once would have Killer B Dead.
Sending Chakra arms underground has been shown to leave the user stationary making him an easy target for Susanoo Arrow or Amaterasu.
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One piper's exploration of the music of the Scottish Lowlands, its history and its performance. It's a diary of discovery, not a series of essays. You're invited to make your own contributions using the comments option on most pages.
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The following is a quote from the 'entry in the Encyclopedia Perthensis' published in Perth, Scotland, between 1796 and 1806, under 'Bagpipes'
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The question of ornamentation in Lowland music is probably the most confusing for pipers. Most come from a background of highland piping and have put a great deal of effort and time into acquiring the necessary repertoire of gracings that form the distinctive character of highland pipe music. They are also familiar with the inclusion of these gracings in any notated source. However, when it comes to lowland music, whilst indications of ornamentation do appear in some sources, they are uncommon, and where they do appear we have no direct information about how they are to be interpreted.
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The question of tempo is crucial in arriving at an appropriate dird for many of these tunes. Pipers with a background in playing for dancing may well understand how certain tunes seem to lay down their own tempo. For those without this background, and for those tunes in the repertoire which do not conform to the more familiar rhythms, we need some other guide.
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Tunes in compound times are far less common in lowland sources than those in simples time - for instance, of the 48 tunes in Daviid Young's Collection of Coutnry Dances from 1740, 9 are in 6/8 and 4 in 9/8; the other 36 are in 'cut-time'. Nevertheless, amongst these and those from other sources there seems to be a variety of 'dirds' and in some cases more than one of these dirds can be applied to the same tune.
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