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Last Friday, I fell, and fell hard, for a Twitter hoax orchestrated by a former writer for The Fightins that had Zack Greinke going to the Phillies for, essentially, a bag of nickels and a case of beer. Before I realized that the report had been faked, I sent a link to the tweet in an email to several Phillies fans, including Paul Boye of this site, my father, and my younger brothers, along with the following:
"I'm sitting in the Temple computer lab right now. If this is true, I'm going to scream out the news, tear off my clothes, and run down the hall stark naked, urinating everywhere from sheer joy. Until then, I'll reserve judgment."
You can imagine my reaction when the news broke late last night that the Phillies had signed one Cliff Lee, the Anointed One, whose brief sojourn in red pinstripes in 2009 generated the kind of devotion among Phillies fans usually reserved for prepubescent Canadian pop stars. Whose departure, the cost of acquiring the best pitcher in baseball, led to a firestorm in this area the likes of which had not been seen since the Philadelphia police bombed the MOVE house in 1985.
On one hand, this move doesn't make much sense–the Phillies, far and away the oldest team in baseball with several holes to fill, gave the richest free agent contract in team history to pitcher in his 30s. After all, this team won the division in 2007 with Kyle Kendrick as its No. 2 starter and won a World Series with Cole Hamels and three other guys who got hot at the same time. This season, it wasn't the starting pitching that failed the team in the playoffs, it was the offense–an offense that saw its best performer in 2010 follow the money down I-95 when free agency hit. So why splurge on a fourth top-line starting pitcher?
It turns out, this move isn't really about rationality. This move is about parking the Death Star in orbit of Alderaan. It's about Lee, Roy Halladay, Cole Hamels, and Roy Oswalt showing up for Spring Training, looking at each other, and giggling and the sheer preposterousness of what has been wrought. This is about Ruben Amaro indulging his inner 14-year-old and putting together a rotation the likes of which are ordinarily only seen in video games. Perhaps most of all, this is about Cliff Lee, once again, doing what he wants, and to hell with everyone else's expectations.
A few quick bullet points about the Cliff Lee trade:
- The Phillies will field two Cy Young winners in the same rotation for the third time in team history (Steve Carlton and John Denny, 1984-1985 and Lee and Pedro Martinez, August-October 2009).
- Hamels, Halladay, Oswalt, and Lee are a combined 108-66 in a Phillies uniform, including the postseason.
- Cliff Lee is the first pitcher to leave the Phillies, make an all-star team, and come back to the team since Andy Ashby.
- Courtesy of Dave Cameron of FanGraphs: over the past three seasons, Halladay leads all starting pitchers in wins above replacement. Lee is second, Hamels 16th, and Oswalt 21st.
- Each of the Phillies' top four starting pitchers has led the league in WHIP at least once.
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I'm still never going to beLEEve this until I see it in person in April. No way. Nope.
Just a note, we had two Cy Young winners in the rotation before when it was Cliff Lee and Pedro Martinez in 2009.
And I said this on the other thread earlier…that Jayson Stark mentioned that these FOUR guys have a chance to EACH have 200Ks. That's never been done before in baseball history, four pitchers in the same rotation doing that in the same year.
Can you believe the potential wins for Hamels, now as the fourth starter, pitching against the other team's 3rd or 4th starter for a whole season? If Cole stays healthy, and Charlie learns how to substitute starting players when the main guys are slumping, so they actually score him some runs, he could win 20.
In poker you win with 3 aces 85% of the time. You win with 4 99% of the time only a straight flush beats you. This was not a need signing. But it had to be done. If someone is willing to take less and not goto the Yankees you have to sign him. I really dont like giving 32 year old starters 5 year deals but thats the MLB we live in. its a great deal and a great day to be a Phillies fan. But I am not as giddy as some. The pending moves will say alot about how the season plays out.
With injuries and rain outs and off days after the first 2 weeks of the season the 4 or 5 starter is just as likely to face the other teams ace.
I am glad to have Cliff Lee back because I love the guy. Had to be done? No. With so much need in other areas, focusing on making your strength now obscenely strong, really doesn't make a lot of sense. We spent a shitload of money and we may have, presumably, hamstrung ourselves financially. We need a big RH bat, too and we don't have money for one…or do we? Keeping a player away from a team thats not even in your own league is not a legit reason for breaking the bank to sign him From a pure baseball standpoint, a.k.a. allocating your resources most efficiently, it probably wasn't the best idea in the world. BUT! its uplifting, its cleansing, its epic, its historic and its real exciting. In short, its beauty and grandness of scale transcends any lack of baseball sense it may represent.
The Dipsy
It's hard to argue with bringing Lee back, except for the fact that the lineup remains as dysfunctional as ever (actually more so without Werth).
Keith Law:
"But even with the somewhat remarkable acquisition, there are some less promising realities to consider. Mostly on offense.
Given his contract situation, Philly could look to move Hamels for a right-handed hitter for the middle of its lineup, as losing Jayson Werth takes away most of the gain from reacquiring Lee and leaves the Phillies very left-handed. Ryan Howard, Jimmy Rollins, Chase Utley, Placido Polanco and Raul Ibanez are on the wrong side of 30 and more likely to decline and/or get hurt than to improve. Rollins often has been hurt in the midst of a four-year free fall, Utley has fought injuries, and Howard and Ibanez are just declining. Domonic Brown is an outstanding prospect but won't match Werth's production, and Brown is also left-handed. Ruben Amaro Jr. has put together an enviable rotation, to say the least. However, the Phils are oddly unbalanced now and it's strange (but not bad) to see them commit this money to Lee with an old, injury-prone lineup staring them in the face."
I'm Ted Bell.
Well said, Michael! Another good post from PN.. keep it up guys!
If they trade Hamels like that idi0t Keith Law is suggesting, I'll be FURIOUS. Hamels is a homegrown Phillie, who hasn't even hit his prime… no Cliff Lee could heal the wound of trading Cole away.
Nice post Michael! Having a hard time picturing Doc giggling.
May the force be with us all.
Dipsy that was a great post.
All day I've been wondering why RAJ would make this move when there are so many other needs to fill. I was completely against this, as many of you saw last night. But in fairness, I was under the impression that there was a self imposed hard cap. (clearly that is no longer the case)
For that reason, it made no sense to me to bolster the strongest part of the team at the expense of our weaknesses. My hope is that there really is a plan in place to address that, one that doesn't include trading Cole.
So after thinking it through today, I think the mindset now is to "roll with the tide" in a way. Maybe the Godfather, that sneaky GM of ours, decided that if the game has now turned into a pitching dominated sport, he should "roll with the tide", as opposed to fighting it and hoping that our offense will suddenly return to what it was in 08-09. Maybe he's decided that we don't need to hit like that anymore to win it all if we have the pitching and defense. And I guess when you look at the model set up by present World Champions, he's probably right. I'm not totally sold that this plan will work, but I am hopeful.
Welcome home Clifford Phifer Lee. It's so heartening to know you wanted to play here so much. I'm elated that you're back in red pinstripes. Go Phils!
Last night on twitter and facebook, I did ask a few times whether this was a grienke prank type thing…….but glad it wasnt…..a great day to be a philly phan .
I dont want to trade Hamels. I will say that right out front. He is the young home grown one of them.
But if one is going to be moved it has to be Hamels.
Oswalt is a one year deal and has the no trade. Etc etc
One thing I havent seen mentioned here is that Lee really likes the old man. And obviously the club house and the organization.
Hats off to the old man and the overall clubhouse.
Lefty, clearly there is no salary cap. None. Zero. Maybe the Phils have made so much money the last two years that now they can afford things they couldn't before, which would be great. If we were privy to the truth we would probably surmise that the only number that would really stop them now would be the one that triggers the luxury tax. And of course, signing Lee was Montgomery's "payroll exception". I love that. Thats some exception. Lets just find enough $ for a decent RH bat and I'll see ya in Clearwater. Is it true we're going with a four man bullpen this year?
The Dipsy
Keith Law is a jacka$$. Anything he says has no credibility whatsoever. Just forget it. Hamels isn't going anywhere.
And, AFW, the reason the Phillies signed Lee wasn't just because he didn't want to go to the Yankees. It's because he really wanted to come here.
The Yankees always have to pay more for players. Because in general players do not want to go into that media market and city.
The Phillies signed Lee because they could. If they could do it IMO they had to. And they could.
That it puts a little poke in the Yankees eye is just a little fun. When it comes to signing free agents it really is everyone else in the league vs the Yankees. Although the Red sox are starting to get into the yanees league.
Hamels is also the one who would get you the most back (out of him and Roy jr).
But I am wanting to see a year with all 4 together to just see what happens.
i think more moves are possibly coming our line up needs tweaking and with Jay the Beard gone even more so
Cholly must think he's in heaven, or Iowa
I think good pitchers love to play for him because he lets them pitch and doesn't overmanage them. Certainly better than Larussa,Torre etc.
If you think about it Lee's salary can pay for itself if we get to the WS. I haven't done the math, but it seems to me that all those extra home games at post season prices conceivably could equal what they're paying per year.
And (assuming we have all four) no more debates about short rest in the postseason! They're all aces.
Also finally maybe the media will realize CBP is not a bandbox. I know 2 years ago it played exactly even. I know it is a hitters park but its not like Coors in its heyday like the media always try to play it.
The moves coming up are the ones that really interest me.
this is Madsons last year of his deal. I am hoping for a bgi year. And maybe some saves for him.
They could….or better yet….FIGURED OUT how they could.
But the bottom line is…
Cliff Lee really WANTED to be here. In Philadelphia.
THAT'S ultimately why the Phillies went for it.
I just looked it up. 2010 CBP played 16th or right in the middle again.
OK I know the 3 aces helped with it but still its not a bandbox. Period.
I love the way they reportedly structured the last two years of Lee's deal. Pitch the innings in both, which shows your still worth it, and you get the extra year! Don't and we get to buy it out. What could be more fair than that.
That's creative and great work by the FO.
Andrew, good research- we've had this discussion before, because we both get many games with the other teams announcers, the banbox thing is really annoying!
yes and in 5 years who knows
I remember when Winfield signed his 10 year 23 million contract. (even though i was only 9)
The world was a gasp. The sky was falling.
By the end of the contract he was one of the best bargains in the game.
Id really like to know what the phillies can spend. All these sell outs and beers and hot dogs people are spending money on are being put into players you can see on the field
Darling and the Mets guys are relentless on it.
Like its thier only talking point.
Braves guys too.
Not to mention every national fox, espn or TBS game
I am in total shock that the Phillies signed Lee. I thought the Yankees had deal wrapped up and the Lee in the bag. All I can say is, I am as happy as hell!!! 🙂
Pitching is the most important part of baseball. Four aces is wonderful and the return of Cliff Lee is a coup and great for the Phils. We are getting old, but this points in my mind to the importance of a solid and well-used bench. Players over age 30 need to rest sometimes. Those over 35 need to rest more. Nothing wrong with platoons for players as old as Ibanez and as young as Dom Brown. There are solid bench players out there. Players like Lastings Millidge at age 26 may be the perfect platoon partner for Ibanez. He may mature under the tutelge of the Phils players and Manuel. Felipe Lopez is only 31 and has played every infield position. He is a switch hitter who has hit in the past and is coming off a bad year. He may come cheap and would and could provide respite for Polanco, Rollins and Utley. Let's not forget about Wilson Valdez, Ben Francisco, Ross Gload. All deserve to make the team. And play more. There are a lot of options for the Phils in 2011.
Also, we could bundle a pitcher and a couple of good prospects (Rizzoli) for a young stud outfielder like Andrew McCutchen or an Adam Jones or an Upton for Arizona. These possibilities do indeed exist. Blanton and Kendrick would help a number of teams lacking pitching.
The bullpen may not get the use it did in 2010 because our four aces likely will go deeper into the games. More quality starts. Overall, I am so optimistic that I scare myself. It is great to be scared. Great time to be a Phillies Fanatic !!!!
I was just looking around for a top tier utility guy that the Phils might be able to land for Blanton.
Rangers have some highly ranked SS prospects in the lower levels and with their starting SS just 22 years old Phils might be able to get one in our system.
If you can get someone to take the 17 million owed Blanton you are happy. I am thinking the Phils will have to eat some of that.
Anything of merit as far as a player in return? No chance.
I am hearing Blanton to red sox is dead. thats good for Joe. The other team in SD. Thats a good fit for him and I wish him the best.
Maybe the Mets? that would be amusing
Question becomes how much (if any) of the 17 million do the Phils have to cover.
Maybe the Phils start the season with Blantan as their #5 and hope he come out blazing to increase his trade value. Crazier things have happened. I like that RAJ is in no hurry with Joe. Something may break, you never know.
Is "four man bullpen" a joke, Dipsy? They already have Lidge, Madson, Contreras, Baez, Reyes, and Bastardo penciled in, which is six, and another one or two could show up in ST, and the loser for the fifth starter position could also be worked out of the pen.
Bull Pen has to be were the Phils start to get younger. The have the arms.
Is Felipe Lopez an FA? I'd sign him to a one year deal.
Blanton will be gone in a few weeks.
His agent is aware of this. The phils are gonna move him to the team that takes the most of the contract.
The pen is where the movement will be coming and I am still not sold on lidge. Especially long term. This is Lidges last year under contract too though. So be nice for Madson to have a big ear or get some big arms.
Maybe Lidge will have a big year?
Yep, I think this is Ledge's last season as a Phil. They'll pay the $1.5 buyout and move on. Shame is that Lidge is finally learning how to pitch with his diminished tools.
I'm hoping that by years end 2 of Schwimmer, Mathiason and Defratus or on the big club.
I thnk Madson could be a dominate closer
If he can wrap his head around it.
If you can be that dominant in the 8th you should be able to be in the 9th.
Thats really my hope.
Let Lidge eat some of the saves this year so we dont have to pay Madson top closer money in 2012 🙂
Lee left $30 million behind (Yankees). Indeed it's not all about the money for some players; even Jeter took a hefty paycut. Unlike "Show me the money" Werth who grabbed the highest offer from a last place club and ran with it to the bank (chuckles). What's that saying? Greed knows no boundaries. 😉
We don't need no stinkin' bullpen.
We're going for 162 complete games.
phillies website sub header:
"Addition of Lee makes Phillies' pitching staff solid"
what a joke. hamels with halladay made it very solid. oswalt made it epic. lee makes its unprecedented.
Well, it's nice to see you all smiling and upbeat and congratulatory toward both Lee and Amaro, after how you all reacted to Jason Werth's move to DC. After watching this place become a pretty happy forum for the last few years, I was worried that the Phillies fans of old had returned.
I for one am ecstatic with the Lee pickup, even though it clearly was not necessary. It's a rare thing in sports to see a "message move," and that's exactly what this was. It announced to the rest of the league that the Phllies are for real for the long haul. And it was a message to the fans that, given their (our?) support over the last several years, they were listening to all the bitching and moaning about letting Lee go, and wanted to make the fans happy (while, incedentally, picking up one of the most dominant pitchers in the game.)
It is indeed a good time to be a Phillie fan.
A right handed power bat may have made more sense for 2011, but two things to keep in mind – Oswalt has an option for 2012, and Hamels is a free agent after 2011. While he'll be a big part of 2011, Lee also stabilizes the pitching for 2012 and beyond. If moving either Hamels or Oswalt this year was in the plans, it would be done already (just look at last year).
I also get a kick out of how some of the media state Lee has an easily attainable option for the 6 year. He ONLY has to pitch 400 innings in 2014 and 2015. 27 pitchers did that in 2009-2010 (out of 79 starters) – all were under 35 (most were under 30). Not quite the Halladay deal in terms of team friendly, but a very fair contract.
Bruce – Jeter took a paycut? Who else was going to give a terrible fielding, 0.270 hitting singles hitter 3yr/$51M? On the market, he would have been lucky to get $30M, and it probably would have been to play 2nd, 3rd, or left.
Lee is taking less guaranteed money in the life of his contract to be a Phil, but is making more per year, If he stays healthy, he has another potential contract out there. Plus, Lee doesn't have a ring….yet.
Werth is in a completely different situation – the contract he got from the Nats is $70M more than anything else on the table, and the Nats have very good talent in the pipeline. If he maintains his tools, he'll be on a very competitive Nats team in 2013 or 2014. He would have been an idiot to turn that contract down.
Yes, of course the four man pen is a joke. He, but I tell ya, we could conceivable go with a six man pen and carry an extra bench guy. I am convinced that this Lee thing had been in the works. You just don't ask management for $150m at the last minute. And I'm sure it takes more than David Montgomery to approve it. I would think that something like that would go directly to the owners. In any event, if this team is gonna be choked for money, it will only be for a year in light of the salary that comes off next year. I still don't understand the need for four aces and if it were any other pitcher I wouldn't be anywhere close to as happy. But since I hsave total man crush on Cliff its OK.
A thought: Before Cliff, our rotation had absolutely no personality. Halladay is a robot, Roy is…whatever, Cole is in his Nuke Laloosh-trying to do and say all the right things mode. Cliff is a breath of fresh air. Cliff 'A River Runs Through It" Lee. That boyish charm. Did I mention that I have a man crush?
The Dipsy
bfo – Hamels is NOT a free agent after 2011. His current deal expires, but he's still under team control through the end of 2012 (either through arbitration or another contract). He may become a free agent after the 2012 season.
I'm Ted Bell.
"A force in Phillies ownership above and beyond the normal ability and mandate of president David Montgomery and RAJ (Stoky thinks that is short for "Ruben Are Jenius") made the numbers work. The numbers are now at a staggering $170 million. They speak to the power of the sellout after sellout after sellout. And the virtual certainty the deliriously happy faithful will cause the SRO sign to be displayed 81 more times and counting. It also guarantees the Phillies will continue to supplant the Braves and Mets as the National League's No. 1 road draw. This is epic, folks, unthought of in my lifetime covering a team that drew 708,247 in 1970, the final season in Connie Mack Stadium. That's two 10-game homestands for this team.
I believe that force to be John Middleton, the man deepest in the shadows of Phillies ownership. I say that because I have heard from several of his classmates at Amherst, admirers who refused to be identified because Middleton knows them well. Both mentioned his love of wrestling while at Amherst and his dislike of any limelight shined on him. But years after his graduation, Middleton who is now a billionaire, rescued a varsity wrestling program that had been scrapped in a cost-cutting purge.
He is known to be the most committed and victory-driven member of the shadow group I dubbed the Teflonics years ago for their total silence on ballclub matters. (That's why limited partners are called "silent partners.")
I don't believe for a minute that John Middleton said, "Here, David, I'm writing a check to make this happen." That is not how wealthy people run their affairs. But I believe that with the approval of the other entities, he communicated a willingness to be there if the good times stop rolling, if there is a sudden cash crunch due to unforeseen circumstances. A losing season could whiplash the sellouts.
Just know that this organization always has had a fallback plan. The Phillies will never be on the block because of a messy divorce like the one involving the glorified parking-lot attendant who thought he was big enough to own the Los Angeles Dodgers. And they won't be left naked in the middle of free-agent season without a fallback plan, which is what just happened to Yankees GM Brian Cashman. No Lee, then who, Brian?"
I'm Ted Bell.
Nice story ted,very nice……
My mistake – I knew Cole was signed through 11. A big year for Cole.
15-18 wins for Cole. Bank on it.
Mitch Williams, on MLB, had it right. It really came down to Texas and the Phils. If you remember, Mrs. Lee was spit on by Yankee fans during the playoffs last season. She didn't want to go to NY! As Mitch said, if the wife isn't happy, You aren't happy.
Lee was shocked when he was traded last year. He wanted to stay in Philly. According to sources, he had his agent contact the Phils to see if something could be worked out.
It would be a huge mistake to trade Cole, and I don't see RAJ doing it. Especially after the flack he took for trading Lee.
Charley will be platooning in LF and RF. Felipe Lopez would be a good fit. He is 30 and a switch hitter. Another backup at 2b and 3b. Keep Valdez for SS and defense.
The Phillies should trade Placido Polanco, Joe Blanton, Rizotti, and cash to the Brewers for Corey Hart. Then quite literally give away Raul Ibanez to anyone who will take him. The phillies could then sign adrian beltre to a 2 year 20 million dollar deal. This would give the phillies good right handed bats in the lineup without sacrificing that much.
I just want to clarify a few things —
Keith Law is not suggesting the Phillies trade Hamels, he's saying that they might choose to (I think they definitely won't, of course).
And the lineup is not really in some terrible state that some of you guys seem to think, I find that a pretty bizarre notion. The handedness thing is the most overrated thing in recent memory, and besides that, there is no "big right-handed bat" out there anymore, unless you count Magglio, who probably wants $10 million per anyway, and that's just not a very good allocation right now. The Phillies were set to have a pretty quiet offseason, and rightfully so, because there weren't many moves they needed to make. Lee is a huge bonus. Enjoy it.
Also, a run saved is as good (if not better) as a run earned, so to speak. Adding Lee softens the impact of whatever offensive decline may or may not happen.
Sorry I am late to the party here,
I have to disagree with the following. "I am glad to have Cliff Lee back because I love the guy. Had to be done? No. With so much need in other areas "
The Cliff Lee solidifies, your rotation and makes it not necessary to focus so much on the pen.
We do not need another RH bat, it would be nice. I think the lineup is done at this point, unless RAJ decides to be out of the box again.
Like I said last night….Keith Law is a jackass. Saying that the Phillies MIGHT choose to trade Hamels is just drumming up a story for the sake of drumming up a story. Totally irresponsible reporting in my opinion.
He's not trying to drum up a story, his articles are published under ESPN insider. Most people can't even see them. His job is to speculate on how teams will handle their personnel, and, more importantly, to inventory the character and quality of their minor league assets. He was formerly a scout and front office special assistant with the Blue Jays, is extremely knowledgeable, and it's absolutely ridiculous how much certain Phillies fans deride him because he didn't like the Howard contract.
I'm not really worried about the regular season – they should win the division in spite of their offensive problems. The pitching staff is just too good.
But, they were shutout thirteen times last season (including the NLCS game). Who can forget the trip to NY and not scoring a run in the entire series? They also scored three runs or less in almost 50% of their games. People point to injuries, but that wasn't the only problem.
Taking away Jayson Werth with no proven replacement makes the offense even more worrisome.
Pitching will get them through those struggles in the regular season, but the post season is much different. In most cases, they'll be facing very good starting pitching.
In their last three postseason series (2009 WS, 2010 NLDS, 2010 NLCS) the offense has been shutdown. The big hitters have been pitched to rather easily and situational hitting has been totally absent. That will be the problem.
I'm Ted Bell.
Keith Law simply said that the starter who will bring the highest return in a trade is Cole Hamels. He's 100% correct. Hamel's age, skills, and contract dictate that.
Keith Law never said it was going to happen, or that it even should happen. He was only presenting a scenario in which the Phillies could use a surplus to correct a problem area.
I'm Ted Bell.
It is a good time in Philly now and think that instead of a big time bat I really think the defense ability for cheap is more importent for an OF need, and maybe a good bench bat, but unless I am missing something Valdez can be the guy to rest the infield, and as bad as some of you think he was at the plate the guys batting average was not that bad after the seventh inning, and he did have some clutch hits. He is not going to bat 280 or 290 and I do not think he would be a good rh pinch hitter when he played in the field he was not a horrible hitter, little pop yes, and was a decent base runner, not speedy by any streach of the imgination, but smart. that is your guy who can spell poly, chase, and JRoll with out hurting the defense, and that is going to be of the most importance with this rotation
Yeah, Phylan, maybe so. But he's "speculating" wrongly. And, I'm sorry, but to even mention it at all is to create a story and see if it has legs.
As far as the offense am I the only one that the Phillies core of Ryan, Chase, JRoll, Vic and Poly are know what their weaknesses are at the plate and will be working overtime this off season to fix that. And injuries did contribute to that, it is not just time spend off the field but coming back sooner then they should, with Ryan's power struggle I think the ankle was a huge factor in that because his power was picking up right before that. Poly had a bone chip floating around his elbow. Chase and Vic really just struggled almost all year, some of Vic problems I think may steam from moving him around in the line up, I think if going into ST Charlie sits JRoll and Vic down and says A is going to be my lead off guy and B is going to be in the five hole all year. Because in my mind I really think their approach may be better if they have their roll. And also think JRoll will accept the five hole role, saying that I think Vic can become comfortable in the five spot also. But in my head I think it will be a line up
Ben Fran
Oh man oh man oh man….I haven't posted on here in awhile and felt the need to come back and post. I feel like I'm dreaming and that someone will soon pinch me and I'll wake up from this beeyoootiful dream. I won't beLEEve it until the spring.
I heard the news, screamed, went running to tell my dad, tripping up the stairs in the process. Everywhere I went yesterday, from the gym, to starbucks, the mall….everyone was high fiving everyone else. It was that type of day. Ahhhhh can't believe it. Best rotation ever ever ever ever.


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Many warned it would happen and it did. Archaeologists confirm they have found the first human remains in the construction of the Honolulu rail transit project.
The sealed trench sits at the corner of Cooke Street and Halekauwila Street.
It was here that a single bone fragment, a few inches long, was found.
Just the day before, archaeologists sifted through layers of dirt beneath the sidewalk -- the find of what some believe could be part of a leg bone and other cultural artifacts that drew added scrutiny to the work underway.
"This is one indicator that there is more potentially to be discovered. We don't know yet what the soil will find," said Oahu Burial Council Chair Hinaleimoana Wong-Kalu.
Wong-Kalu says the council hopes to act as a go-between for the Hawaiian community and state and city officials. She was called to the site Thursday to see just what was found and where.
"I did appreciate seeing that they were going very carefully with the shovels. They were down there doing hand excavation and that was a plus on their behalf," said Wong-Kalu.
The discovery came on the same day that the contracted archaeological firm told the council that nothing of significance had been found along the work being done from Kapolei to the urban core.
"No particular finds as of this date. We found a lot of field deposits which we expected to find, but so far, there have been no outstanding archeological discoveries," said Cultural Surveys Project Manager Matt McDermott.
That changed by Wednesday afternoon, when the state and the city were notified by email that a site visit might be needed on Thursday.
Crews finished filling a second trench late Thursday with a type of temporary slurry seal.
Workers were expected to be digging additional trenches in an area on Dillingham Avenue Friday.
The State Historic Preservation Office said the bone fragment was kept in place. Archaeologists will continue to excavate the area to get more information about what else might be found in order to best plan.
It's believe the rail design for this area has yet to be done, and the support columns could go in other places other than where the trenching is underway.
The plan was to dig four trenches along Halekauwila Street. As of late Thursday, they have done two. Crews aren't expected in this area on Friday. We will see what happens on Monday.


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A Salem man was arrested early Sunday morning for allegedly shooting a rifle from a moving car at the occupants of another vehicle.
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Five family members were arrested early Friday morning, in connection to a September 2002 stabbing death in Chaparral.
Doña Ana County Geographical Information System Specialist Keith Odenheim will conduct a class on computerized mapping research for the Las Cruces Realtors' Association.
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Parking Expansion DTF
Parking Expansion DTF
Parking Expansion Disappearing Task Force
November 17, 1999
1:00 - 3:00 p.m. Meeting Notes
Attending: Jill Cordner, Thad Curtz, Wendy Freeman, Michel George, Susan Graham (SCA Engineering), Steve Huntsberry, Linda Kahan, Mark Lacina, Trevor Lytle, Timothy Quinn, Sherry Parsons, Perry Shea (SCA Engineering), Masao Sugiyama, Bill Zaugg, John Carmichael
1. Announcements
Sherry distributed information about parking and commute trip reduction programs at other colleges and universities in the state.
John created a web site for the DTF where meeting minutes and other information can be posted: www.evergreen.edu/user/parkingdtf99.
Thad created a listserv for the DTF and subscribed all the DTF members who supplied e-mail addresses. Interested community members can subscribe as well. Instructions for subscribing are posted on the website. John will distribute minutes via the listserv. To send e-mail to all subscribers, address the message to firstname.lastname@example.com.
Bill distributed some financial scenarios to supplement those distributed at the previous meeting. The new scenarios show the effect of phasing in rate increases more gradually.
2. Questions for SCA
Susan Graham and Perry Shea from SCA Engineering joined the meeting to answer questions regarding the Needs Analysis and Feasibility Study. They distributed written answers to the questions the DTF previously submitted. The discussion included the following points:
What is the smallest number of parking stalls the college must add? Susan Graham noted that if the college were built today, current parking would not meet county code requirements. Although the county will not require the college to come up to code for pre-existing buildings, the county will require the college to add parking spaces for any new construction. The county will require 380 new parking spaces for Seminar II, which is scheduled to open in fall 2003. It is very unlikely that the county would accept fewer than 380 new parking spaces. In addition, the college plans to increase enrollment to 5,000 FTE students by 2010. Based on current patterns of parking, this enrollment growth will create a need for another 140 parking spaces. These 140 spaces would not be needed all at once, but as the growth occurs. If parking patterns change (for instance, as a result of new commute trip reduction programs), the number of parking spaces needed to accommodate new growth might be fewer than 140. Michel noted that the number of new spaces required by enrollment growth will depend on whether the new students will be concentrated in Olympia or Tacoma, taking day or evening classes, etc. It would be helpful to have a more detailed plan for enrollment growth.
Mark said that Housing may expand. What would the county require for parking associated with this new construction? Perry said that he would need to look closely at the county code to provide a definite answer. The code is somewhat ambiguous about the definition of a housing unit. It might be possible to use historical data to determine the number of spaces required.
The SCA options show fairly wide landscaping strips in the lots. Are these spaces required? If the college must choose between building new parking lots and eliminating or drastically narrowing the green strips in current lots, do we have the option of taking out the green strips? Susan Graham said that the code does require a certain amount of green space, but not as much as is shown in the proposals. Michel George noted that the SCA options generally follow the Campus Master Plan's guidelines for parking lot density.
Michel noted that some reconfiguration of the parking lots may be required regardless of parking expansion. New storm water regulations may require some redesign of the lots. The college recently received a grant to explore the feasibility of using pervious paving materials. SCA will be helping Michel to explore options and costs. Reconfiguring the lots to accommodate more spaces may provide an opportunity to begin using pervious surfaces.
Why did SCA regard as unfeasible the proposal for closing part of the parkway and using it for parking? Perry said that, in addition to the effect on local traffic, the option would create a remote and isolated lot. How would people get from the lot to campus? Would they be safe?
The DTF agreed to funnel any further questions for SCA through Michel.
3. Process check
Wendy asked each member of the DTF to speak briefly about what the DTF had accomplished so far and what remained to be done. Most members of the DTF said that they expected that the DTF would recommend the reconfiguration of existing parking lots to accommodate at least 380 new spaces, but that more work remained to be done, including:
More work on strategies to reduce demand for parking.
Consideration of financial aspects.
Decisions about which lots should be reconfigured and how. Which options are preferable for safety, the environment, or aesthetics? Do some of the new spaces need to be near Housing?
Operation and maintenance of the lots.
More consultation with students and other members of the community.
4. Survey plans
Mark said that he intended to develop a survey on parking to send to Housing residents. Michel suggested that the survey be sent to everyone. Thad said that before designing a survey, the DTF should decide what questions it seeks to answer from the survey results. If the survey includes very specific questions and options, the feedback will be more valuable. Linda suggested that the survey be used to collect information about the issues that people would like to see the DTF consider in narrowing the options. Wendy suggested that the DTF conduct a fairly general survey soon, use the results to select three or four options, and collect a "second wave" of feedback on those options. Mark will bring a draft of the survey to the next meeting.
5. Next meeting
The group agreed to meet on Wednesday, December 1 from 1:00-3:00 in Library 1507. The meeting will be a work session devoted to developing a survey.
- Return to the Parking Expansion DTF Home Page.
- This page last updated on December 1, 1999.


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After graduating from North Central with a major in psychology, Patton took a job with the FBI where she worked for 20 years. Even though her post-FBI activities include attending FBI conventions, she still finds community service immensely satisfying. She prepares meals for Meals on Wheels, volunteers at a shelter for mentally challenged women and children, and volunteers at the Altenheim Nursing Home. She remains involved with the American Association of University Women, serves as deaconess at Parma South Presbyterian Church in Parma Heights, Ohio, and serves on the boards of Meals on Wheels and Allenheim Nursing Home. She also chairs the Cleveland chapter of the Society of FBI Alumni.


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Hi. I'm Teri Tsang Barrett, the Food Editor here at Every Day with Rachael Ray Magazine. And today, I'm going to show you everything you need to know about getting your turkey ready for pretty much any Thanksgiving turkey recipe. Here, we've got a defrosted turkey. In our Test Kitchen, we use two different methods. One is to actually to frost the bird. You need about a day for every 3 to 4 pounds. This bird weighs about 12 pounds. You need roughly 4 days. So, we like to give another day just for good measure, just to make sure it's defrosted entirely. The other method we'd use is something you can do if you've forgotten to defrost the bird and you can do it either the day before or the day of, that's definitely pushing it. And there you'd wanna soak the bird in a tub full of [unk] is a good option. Leave it in the plastic wrap and you'll defrost it for roughly 30 minutes for every 3 to 4 pounds. So, for this bird, you need probably about 6 hours and you'd need 12 different changes of water. And again, this bird is defrosted. So, we're gonna start by cutting up in the package. I got my kitchen shoes handy. And you're gonna wanna throw the wrapper away. And here you can see, this is a pop up thermometer. We're not big fans of this. It's not all that dependable. So, I'm just gonna pull it out and we're gonna remove this plastic bit up here. You can suddenly just pull it out or you can actually just cut it out. Let me show you guys. And it usually just slides right out and you can see other bits in here that you wanna snip away to release it. So, we're going to remove the neck of the turkey and then the giblets which are usually in a plastic bag and these are basically the offal of the turkey which include like the heart, the gizzard and the liver. Just kind of run your hands to the cavity to make sure it's empty and this guy is all good. So, the next thing we're gonna do is actually rinse the turkey. And you take it to the sink and now I'm going to rinse the bird. The easiest thing to do is, start with cold running water and hold it by the cavity, and rinse the bird. Be sure to get under all the joints and most importantly, remember to rinse out the cavity. I like to just run it under the water beginning at the end of the bird and just kinda flip it through and there we go, that's all there is to it. Now that we've rinsed the bird, we're gonna pat it dry and you wanna be sure to get it extremely dry 'cause that is actually the secret to really crisp brown skin. Let's start with the top. And just kind of lightly press, you can feel it kinda soak up a little bit like a sponge. Get under all the joints, making sure to squeeze up all the excess water. And don't forget the cavity too, it's just where a lot of the water ends up getting trapped. So now that we've patted the bird dry, I'm going to actually transfer it to the roasting pan. Just again lift it to the cavity, set that aside and I'm gonna show you how to truss the bird and you know what, trussing is essentially, is a step that-- method that we use to keep the bird's shape intact so that it bakes, roasts evenly in the oven. All right. And for this, it will need you some kitchen twine or you can also use unwaxed dental floss to be sure that you're not using cinnamon or mint flavored or even wax dental floss 'cause that will get all over your bird. If you have someone to help you, you can easily just kinda hold it together and have someone tie a bow around it. Otherwise, a trick I have is to actually tie one of the legs, cross it over and you really kinda got like a lasso grip on it. Cross the legs, wrap it underneath and you can wrap both legs together, and sort of just tuck it underneath one of the loops and you're all set. And the last part is, if you're using an oven meat thermometer, you're gonna wanna stick it in the thigh part of the bird pointing towards the body. So, right here, we're going to job it in. You wanna make sure you're avoiding the bone and also remember the physician thermometer or the dials that you can see it from the oven. So, I'm gonna actually slide it into the oven like this. And so, I want it exposed and we're set right there. If you're stuffing the bird, you also need to check the thermometer at the end of cooking. You can use an instant read thermometer for that and you'll need it to reach 165 degrees and all you need to do is basically check it through the cavity of the bird, make sure not touching bone again. Just slide it right through, wait for it to hit 165 or through the neck, same with the-- checking the temperature of the bird. If you want, it needs to reach 180 for it to be U.S.A approved and you can also, you can also, same thing with an instant read thermometer, just stick it in to the thigh and be sure you do not touch the bone. And that's it. After that, you're ready to go season the bird up and pop it in the oven and just be sure to wash your hands. Thanks for watching.


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Look down on the majestic Rocky Mountains on a Fair Winds Hot Air Balloon Flight in Boulder. View mountain peaks, valleys and wildlife as far as the eye can see. Champagne, sparking cider and a continental breakfast are included with every flight. Only early-morning flights are available daily and seasonal specials are available.
Red Rocks Amphitheater in Denver is an astonishing natural amphitheater that offers guided tours, a performer's hall of fame and best-of concert footage. It is open year-round but the majority of concerts are in the spring and summer. Enjoy the incredible views or go biking or hiking along the many trails. Be sure to bring water and take things slowly as the altitude can be a bit of shock compared to Denver proper.
Ski at Cooper Mountain in Leadville and enjoy less crowded slopes. Considered Colorado's leading family ski spot, skiers, snowboarders and cross-country skiers can enjoy the terrain at San Isabel National Forest. Backcountry ski tours are also available. Advanced and expert skiers and snowboards can take a Snowcat as high as 12,600 feet and enjoy the vertical drops on the way down.
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There is much to do at Glenwood Caverns Adventure Park in Glenwood Springs. Explore underground caves, hit the climbing wall, or try the bungee trampoline or mechanical bull. Experience amazing views from the Iron Mountain Tramway, dig for fossils or pan for gemstones. This adventure park has it all.
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WASHINGTON, Aug. 8, 2012—Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack today announced that USDA will target nearly $16 million in financial and technical assistance to help eligible crop and livestock producers in 21 states cope with adverse impacts of the historic drought gripping the nation. States will have the option to hold special signups for producers interested in applying conservation practices that will alleviate the drought's impacts, and improve soil health and productivity.
"President Obama and I continue to work across the federal government to provide relief for those farmers and ranchers who are affected by the severe drought conditions impacting many states across our nation," Vilsack said. "This additional assistance builds on a number of steps USDA has taken over the past few weeks to provide resources and flexibility in our existing programs to help producers endure these serious hardships."
USDA's Natural Resources Conservation Service (NRCS) will use $16 million in existing funds from its Wildlife Habitat Incentive Program (WHIP) and Environmental Quality Incentives Program (EQIP) to target states experiencing exceptional and extreme drought. The states with exceptional, or the most severe, drought are Arkansas, Colorado, Georgia, Kansas, Kentucky and Nebraska. States experiencing extreme drought are Alabama, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, New Mexico, Nevada, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah and Wisconsin. Learn more about the NRCS drought assistance that each state has received.
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Canada lynx have been spotted in Vermonts Northeast Kingdom over the last 10 years after centuries with few confirmed sightings.
BRUNSWICK Sightings of Canada lynx are on the rise in the Northeast Kingdom of Vermont. The Fish and Wildlife Department plans to do surveys to determine the extent and distribution of the animals in the state.
Between the late 1700s and the early 2000s, there were just four confirmed sightings of the carnivorous feline species in Vermont, but sightings have increased every year since 2003, the department said Tuesday.
Lynx, which are listed as threatened under the federal endangered species act and endangered in Vermont, are rarely seen because they are nocturnal and secretive.
The most confirmed sightings have been on publicly owned lands in the Nulhegan Basin at Silvio O. Conte National Fish and Wildlife Refuge in Essex County, according to Chris Bernier, a state biologist.
These large, unbroken tracts of mixed-conifer forest are perfect for this species and their primary prey, the snowshoe hare, he said. We were all very excited when lynx sightings started popping up again in Vermont.MORE IN Vermont NewsMONTPELIER Rep. Peter Welch, D-Vt. Full StoryVermont Attorney General Bill Sorrell plans to join the U.S. Full StoryAs Rutland prepares to welcome Syrian refugees to its community, some are continuing to voice... Full Story
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Social workers coming forward to tell stories
It isnt often that Shannon Morton talks shop outside the confines of her state offices in Burlington. But as a 10-year social worker at the Department for Children and Families, Morton offers precisely the perspective lawmakers are suddenly looking for.
As you can imagine, not many folks want or should have to hear about my work days, so I thank you for the opportunity to share, Morton told legislators this week.
The deaths of two Vermont infants this year prompted a legislative probe into the DCF. And frontline social workers are now coming forward to help lawmakers improve child protection services.
We have been struggling behind closed doors for a long time about the challenges that we face as social workers, as an agency and as humans in this field, Morton said,
Morton and other social workers told legislators that staffing shortages, lack of communication between state agencies, and what they said are sometimes unrealistic evidentiary thresholds needed to remove kids from dangerous homes.
They said these problems, and others, are leading to the types of situations that might have led to the deaths of infants in Winooski and Poultney.
The volume and pace currently we are doing is relentless and unrealistic, said Neysha Stuart, a social services supervisor in the Barre DCF office.
Stuart said average caseload numbers supplied by the department dont accurately reflect the strain on most workers. She said constant turnover means an abundance of fresh faces.
And since the new employees cant safely take on a full caseload, veterans are forced to pick up the slack.
Understaffing was among the more common critiques from social workers. And Doug Racine, the former Agency of Human Services secretary, this week corroborated their assessment.
Racine, who was fired by Gov. Peter Shumlin earlier this week, said he urged these social workers to tell their story. In an interview after his dismissal, Racine said, They need more people. There is no question about it.
The social workers said lack of communication between DCF and other state departments including the Department of Corrections and the Division of Economic Services has prevented them from gaining key information about the safety of their clients home environment.
The number of days I am baffled by what I do not know about the families that I am working with are innumerable, Morton said.
Workers say evidentiary hurdles also result in children being sent back to abusive caregivers.
Kerrie Johnson, a former social worker in Morrisville who left the department recently to go to law school, said shes been frustrated by the inability to admit hearsay into family court hearings. When children tell doctors, for instance, that their injuries were inflicted by a care giver, that information cant be admitted in court.
And she said abusive parents can easily convince children to change their testimony before a judge.
And I just very recently was called to testify at a hearing in which we lost, and the child went home in a very serious physical abuse case, because we could not introduce this childs statements, Johnson said.
Rep. Ann Pugh, D-South Burlington, a member of the newly formed Committee on Child Protection, said it has become clear to lawmakers that some kind of legislative action is in order.
I think there are some things that we can do what it looks like, I think, is still up in the air, and will in fact be up in the air until the requisite committees begin to look at it, Pugh said.
When it does come time to develop a proposal, Racine said he hopes the package will reflect the concerns of the social workers.
Im glad they testified, he said. And I hope the Legislature is listening.
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text: By Jim Brodrick, lighting program manager The world's largest light emitting diode (LED) conversion project to date is under way in Los Angeles, California. In the project's first phase alone, the city retrofitted over 141,000 streetlights, reducing energy use by 63% and saving the city $7 million a year in electricity costs. The project is expected to reduce carbon emissions by 47,583 metric tons annually, which is equivalent to removing about 10,000 cars from Los Angeles roadways per year. Lessons learned from this project were discussed during the Energy Department's Municipal Solid-State Street Lighting Consortium (MSSLC) webinar in September. More than 560 attendees gained insight from Ed Ebrahimian, director of Los Angeles' Bureau of Street Lighting. To date, more than 370 municipalities, utilities, and government agencies have signed on as primary members of MSSLC. For the complete story, see the EERE Blog.


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To: District Superintendents, ROEs, Directors of Special Education
Subject: Weekly Message - from State Superintendent Robert Schiller -
Importance: High
Good afternoon. I have just a few items this week.
Assessment/Accountability Task Force discussions are frank, productive
ACT results from April 2002 PSAE being shipped to districts
20-Minute State Board Packet for October
meeting in
ISU gets grant to expand NBPTS pool
I want to briefly highlight two topics. First, thank you to those districts that have sent me information on how the budget crisis is affecting programs and services for students. We are beginning to create a very compelling picture of the local sacrifices that students and their schools must be made when funding is inadequate to meet their needs. If you have not already sent me such a message, I would appreciate hearing from you. The case we build will be even stronger if we can tell stories from all district types, sizes and locations. Just drop me a note, nothing formal is necessary, at email@example.com.
Second, is simply a reminder that we have
officially opened the application period for several management vacancies at
ISBE. Job descriptions, salary
ranges and an application form to download, complete and send to our Human
Resources office are all available at
http://www.isbe.net/isbesites/isbevacancy/VL02-03.pdf. The deadline for applying is
Assessment/Accountability Task Force discussions are frank, productive
The Task Force on Assessment and
Accountability met for the second time on Tuesday, October 8. Throughout the discussion, we identified
several "themes" that describe educators' concerns about ISAT (e.g., the
We also identified some potential improvements in the testing system that warrant further study and discussion, including expanding the test item banks, improving the quantity and quality of data returned to schools and reducing the turnaround time for test results.
The Task Force will meet again on October 23 in
You can now find information about the Task Force's meeting schedule, agendas as they become available, a list of members and background materials use to provide them with a context for discussion at http://www.isbe.net/aatf/default.htm, or just go to ISBE.net and click on Assessment and Accountability Task Force.
ACT results from April 2002 PSAE being shipped to unit, high school districts
ACT has begun shipping its results from the 2002 PSAE administration last spring to all public high schools. Districts should begin receiving them as early as today, Friday, October 11, and throughout next week. Late next week, ISBE will be distributing a news release that addresses statewide results only, not local high school results. We will send you a copy of the release when we send it to the media.
In a nutshell, ACT scores for
The mean ACT Composite score for 2002 juniors increased to 19.5
compared to 19.4 for juniors in 2001.
This is the second year that virtually all high school juniors in
20-Minute State Board Packet for October meeting
The State Board of Education sometimes conducts
its monthly meeting in communities other than
Education Policy/Planning Issues
East St. Louis District #189
Background and Issues
Last month, the State Board initiated a series
of discussions with local school district personnel. This month's guests will represent the
This district has made progress in student achievement at the elementary level but continues to face many challenges and barriers in relation to school improvement.
What will happen at the Board meeting
Representatives from the
Next Steps
Because the November Board meeting is a one-day meeting, it may not be possible to schedule a dialogue with a local school district. However, barring other conflicts, a similar session with a school district will occur at the December meeting.
Financial Oversight Panel- Annual Report
Action Item for October 17
Background and Issues
Each September 1st the Financial Oversight Panel is required to file its Annual Report with the State Board.
Chairman Mark's presentation and dialogue with
the board members will allow all to understand the importance of continued
financial accountability for the
What will happen at the Board meeting
Mr. Richard Mark, Chairman of the East St. Louis Financial Oversight Panel, will make a presentation on the Panel's accomplishments for the past year.
His comments will go into detail on the
progress the panel has made to ensure the financial stability of the
The State Board of Education will have an opportunity to understand in greater detail the specific concerns and recommendations as presented in this Annual Report
The Superintendent and agency staff will:
o recommend to the Board to accept the Annual Report, and to recognize the State Board's support for the tireless efforts of the East St. Louis Financial Oversight Panel members. The panel members are Richard Mark, Vice President, Ameren UE, Saundra Hudson, CEO, Madison County Urban League and Ann Duncan, Retired Carlyle Superintendent.
The Board will be asked to accept the East St. Louis Financial Oversight Panel Annual Report.
Next Steps
The Board will review the financial and educational issues that remain and consider alternatives to the ten-year statutory sunset of the East St. Louis Financial Oversight Panel.
NCATE/State Partnership Agreement & Protocol (Draft)
Discussion Item
Background and Issues
NCATE is scheduled to review the content of its State Protocol form, and some revisions are anticipated. Because the ISBE/NCATE Partnership Agreement and Protocol are due on January 1, 2003, NCATE has provided State Board staff with the most recent draft of its documents. While NCATE anticipates few changes in this version, the final agreement and protocol submitted to the Board in December may differ slightly from the version under consideration in October.
Approval of the final Partnership Agreement
and Protocol will allow the State to continue its relationship with the
National Council for Accreditation of Teacher Education, and
Failure to approve the final version will mean
What will happen at the Board meeting
The Superintendent and agency staff will:
o provide the Board with a draft of the NCATE/State Partnership Agreement and Protocol;
o explain the terms of the proposed agreement and protocol; and
o solicit comments and reactions from Board members.
The Board will be asked to:
o provide staff with comments and direction on the proposed agreement and protocol; and
o direct staff to develop a revised version of the agreement and protocol for submission to the Board at its November meeting.
Next Steps
Upon direction, staff will incorporate feedback from the State Board into a second draft. The revisions will be shared with the Illinois Association of Colleges of Teacher Education (IACTE), the Partnership Committee, and the State Teacher Certification Board. Reactions from these entities will be reported to the State Board in November.
Middle Level Certification: Survey Results & Next Steps
Action Item for October 17
Background and Issues
At its August 21 meeting, the State Board accepted the findings of a survey on middle level certification distributed by staff in July. The purpose of the questionnaire was to define critical issues that seemed to be causing concern or confusion regarding the proposed certificate.
Flexibility in assigning teachers, educator supply, capacity to meet anticipated demand, and job mobility were among the concerns cited most frequently by stakeholders who responded to the survey.
To increase the level of participation in the questionnaire, the Board directed staff to re-open the survey on August 26 and to make it available for comment through the middle of September. The purpose of this action was to allow education personnel who were away from their positions in July to respond to the survey items.
What will happen at the Board meeting
The Superintendent and agency staff will:
o inform the Board of the final results of the Middle Level Certification Survey
o advise the Board of information received from colleges and universities concerning potential capacity for middle level certification programming;
The Superintendent will recommend to:
o propose the enhancement of the present middle level endorsement as an alternative to middle level certification by potentially redefining the present endorsement in terms of selected standards and performance indicators. Preparation predicated upon these standards will significantly advance qualifications of middle level teachers in working with middle grade learners
The Board will be requested to:
o accept the Middle Level Certification Results and approve next steps; and
o direct staff to collaborate with the middle level advisory panel and other stakeholders in the re-design of the present middle grade endorsement.
Next Steps
Upon direction by the Board, Staff will meet with the leadership of the middle level advisory panel for the purpose of reconvening interested members of the group to recommend a standards and performance-based endorsement. Moreover, staff may be asked to solicit representation from other partners (e.g., administrators, regional superintendents, etc.) to engage them in the process. A report to the State Board on the progress of the initiative will be available in the spring.
Action Item for October 17
Background and Issues
The Illinois State Board of Education is responsible for policy implementation and jurisdictional administration of the GED Testing Program establishing fees (ISBE was granted the authority to set GED fees under Section 3-15.12 of the School Code (105 ILCS 5/3-3.37)), and supervision of all testing centers within Illinois.
Funds to operate the program are received from
GED candidates in the form of application, retest, duplicate certificate, and
transcript fees, with excess costs absorbed by the Regional Offices of
Education. Except for the funding
provided to ISBE by the General Assembly for per person fees and completion of
its GED responsibilities as the Chicago ROE in
The GED Testing Service (GEDTS) introduced a
new series of tests on
Additional costs of the 2002 Series GED Tests include an increase in leasing fees for test batteries, an increase in the per person fee assessed to jurisdictions for first-time examinees, and the establishment of a statewide electronic scoring system.
In response to the increases, in July 2001,
ISBE convened a GED 2002 Fee Committee to review
What will happen at the Board meeting
The Superintendent and staff will:
o ask the Board to consider the recommendation of the GED 2002 Fee Committee and approve the proposed GED application fee increase
The Board:
o will review and potentially approve the recommendation of the GED 2002 Fee Committee (representing the State Board of Education, Community College Board, Department of Corrections, Regional Offices of Education, adult education service centers, and adult education programs) to increase the GED application fee from $30 to $35 effective January 1, 2003.
Next Steps
There will be a need to review the fiscal
structure of the Illinois GED Testing Program again in FY05. The recent fee increases instituted by GEDTS
will remain constant through calendar year 2006, at which time GEDTS in
Rules for Initial Review- Part 25 (Certification)
Action Item for October 17
Background and Issues
The amendments contained in this set of rules arise from three recent pieces of legislation, as well as from the staff's experience with approving the providers of continuing professional development for purposes of the renewal of teaching certificates.
The amendments contained in this set of rules arise from several recent pieces of legislation, as well as from the staff's experience with approving the providers of continuing professional development for purposes of the renewal of teaching certificates.
New Section 25.444 implements the Illinois Teaching Excellence Program as amended this year by P.A. 92-796 (HB 1436).
The revisions found in Subpart J (Sections 25.800 through 25.875) of the rules reflect several changes in the certificate renewal requirements enacted as part of P.A. 92-796. Changes have also been made in Subpart J regarding requirements for speech language pathologists, reflecting legislative changes enacted in 2001 via P.A. 92-510.
A new Section 25.872 has been added to deal specifically with providers of continuing professional development activities that are electronically mediated.
The revisions to Section 25.728 reflect changes made this year by P.A. 92-734 regarding institutions' use of test results.
What will happen at the Board meeting
The Superintendent and agency staff will:
o present the proposed amendments for initial review and secure the Board's authorization to distribute them for public comment.
The Board will be requested to:
o authorize solicitation of Public Comment on Rules: Part 25 (Certification)
Next Steps
With the Board's authorization, staff will submit the proposed amendments to the Administrative Code Division for publication in the Illinois Register to elicit public comment. Additional means such as the Superintendent's Bulletin and the agency website will also be used to inform interested parties of the opportunity to comment on this rulemaking.
Finance and Audit Issues
Finance, Audit and Agency Operations
Action Item for October 17
Background and Issues
In June 2002, the State Board adopted bylaws outlining a new committee structure under which fiscal, audit and operations issues will be handled by the Fiscal and Audit Committee. Superintendent Schiller requested that the agency organize and standardize the financial and headcount data provided to the Board for their future policy work and decision-making. Currently the following Reports are provided or are being developed:
1. Budget / Annual Report (Annually in January)
3. Board Goals (Annually in November)
4. Appropriation and Expenditure (Monthly)
5. Financial Status Report - Contract/Grant Detail (Monthly)
6. Business Plans at the Director Level (Quarterly)
7. Headcount Reports (Monthly)
Personnel Transactions
Staff Detail by Division
Monthly Headcount Graph
What will happen at the Board meeting
The Superintendent and agency staff will:
o provide the Board standard reports with key information on fiscal and administrative activities of the state agency.
The Board will be asked to:
o accept and approve the Standard Monthly Reports: Finance, Audit, Agency Operations Status Reports
Next Steps
The Superintendent and agency staff will continue to provide these reports pursuant to the schedule provided above.
School District Financial Profile
Discussion Item
Background and Issues
In March, 2002, staff met with the Board to release the final Financial Watch, Financially Certified, and Financial Oversight Panel lists under the FAAS measure and process. At that time, the Board encouraged staff to finalize a new designation system and report progress by mid-year.
The proposed School District Financial Profile is ready for use as an internal management tool and will be demonstrated to the Board for discussion during the October meeting.
What will happen at the Board meeting
The Superintendent and agency staff will:
o update the State Board on the development and implementation of the proposed School District Financial Profile which replaces the Financial Assurance and Accountability System (FAAS).
o explain the overall framework and benefits of the School District Financial Profile.
The Board will:
o understand the expanded capacity of the School District Financial Profile to profile data in a variety of financial and graphic contexts and how it will be used as a financial designation system.
o understand the intervention services to be provided through the regional-based finance consultants.
Next Steps
Agency staff will proceed to implement the School District Financial Profile with FY02 AFR data for use in the new designations in the early spring of 2003.
The Board will be asked to approve the designations and criteria indicators at the November meeting.
Hazel Crest School District 152 ½
Petition for Financial Oversight Panel
Action Item for October 17
Background and Issues
The State Board of Education recognizes that Hazel Crest School District 152 ½ is experiencing serious financial problems which have resulted in requests for assistance including a petition from their district for a Financial Oversight Panel. Staff have worked closely with the superintendent and attended a September 30 board meeting where a resolution to petition the State Board of Education for immediate appointment of a Financial Oversight Panel was considered.
An Article 1B petition for a Financial Oversight Panel requires a school district to be certified as being in "financial difficulty" under Section 1A-8 and sets forth specific criteria for this designation.
Because of the speed with which Hazel Crest School District 152 ½ found itself in this situation, it is essentially bypassing the normal progression of financial designation and instead is petitioning the State Board to act immediately to appoint a three-member Financial Oversight Panel.
If approved, the Panel will be able to provide immediate oversight and approval for additional borrowing by the district as well as development of an "emergency financial assistance and recovery plan."
What will happen at the Board meeting
The Superintendent and agency staff will:
o provide the Board with an understanding of the severe financial difficulties confronting Hazel Crest School District 152 ½. Hazel Crest is an elementary school district with an enrollment of 1,200 students located in South Cook County within the villages of Hazel Crest and East Hazel Crest and the cities of Harvey and Markham. Hazel Crest School District 152 ½ petitioned the State Board of Education on October 7, 2002, for immediate certification under Section 1A-8, the accelerated appointment of a Financial Oversight Panel under Section 1B, and continued technical assistance from the agency.
o provide the Board details of the school district's precarious financial position and the potential for it to exhaust all available cash reserves prior to the completion of the 2002-2003 school year.
The Board will be requested to:
o evaluate the possible legal basis for certifying the district pursuant to the Section 1A-8 criteria. The district has $1.65 M in outstanding Tax Anticipation Notes and $2.3 M in Revenue Anticipation Notes secured by most of this year's General State Aid entitlement.
o accept the petition requesting an Emergency Financial Oversight Pane for Hazel Crest School District 152 ½, certify the district in financial difficulty, and authorize the Superintendent to appoint the Financial Oversight Panel
Next Steps
Upon approval Board approval, Hazel Crest School District 152 ½ will be certified as being in financial difficulty under Section 1A-8 and the Superintendent will appoint a Financial Oversight Panel for the district so that a comprehensive assessment could potentially be made by the General Assembly during the fall veto session.
Thursday, October 17, 2002
9:00 a.m.
Governmental Affairs Issues
State Legislative Status Reports
Discussion Item
Background and Issues
The Board's Governmental Affairs Committee has met to discuss legislative issues associated with the fall and spring sessions.
The Superintendent and members of the Governmental Affairs Committee have been meeting with constituent groups, and several more such meetings are scheduled for the coming month.
Agency staff prepared roughly 25 legislative proposals specific to their areas of responsibility to meet the October 1st deadline.
The schedule for development of the Board's legislative proposals calls for completion of that process in December.
The bulk of activity is geared for the Spring 2003 session; however, there may be a need to take legislative action in regard to Hazel Crest 152 ½ and the Fall Waiver Report during the legislative session.
What will happen at the Board meeting
The Superintendent and agency staff will discuss the process in developing legislative priorities and proposals to support the Board's goals and the needs of school districts in Illinois.
Next Steps
The Governmental Affairs Committee, the Superintendent and staff will continue to work with stakeholders toward development of a legislative proposal for FY04.
Federal Legislative Status Reports
Background and Issues
Governmental Affairs staff continues to monitor activity in Congress regarding the FY2003 Labor/HHS/Education Appropriations bill through almost daily discussions with agency federal liaisons based in Washington.
Agency staff called each of the 15 entities (school districts and the Springfield Boys and Girls Club) that are receiving earmark funds secured for them by ISBE to ask them to contact the member of congress who supported our request on their behalf to thank the member for that support and to invite them to visit their school district to see for themselves how these funds are supporting teaching and learning.
Agency staff also wrote letters to each member of the Illinois delegation that has indicated their support for projects in the FY2003 Labor/HHS/Education Appropriations bill thanking them for their on-going support of students and school programs in Illinois.
What will happen at the Board meeting
The Board will discuss the federal legislative report and its implications for Illinois.
Next Steps
The Superintendent and agency staff will take action consistent with the results of this discussion.
Additional Agenda Items and Meeting Activities
Illinois Institute of Technology (IIT) – The Board will discuss and consider IIT's notice of objection to the Certification Board's recommendations concerning provisional unit accreditation and program during the Plenary Session on Thursday, October 17, 2002.
Reports and announcements by Board members and the State Superintendent
Closed sessions
The Board, Superintendent, and the Illinois Association of Regional Superintendents of Schools are hosting an "Education Leadership Forum" for southern Illinois Regional Superintendents, local superintendents and board members on Wednesday, from 4:00 p.m. to 5:30 p.m.
The Board and Superintendent were invited to meet with local administrators and board members at the Edwardsville High School at 7:30 a.m. on Thursday, October 17, 2002.
The Board will be hosting a Budget Hearing at 1:00 p.m. on Thursday, October 17, 2002, at the Collinsville Holiday Inn.
ISU gets grant to expand NBPTS pool
Illinois State University has been awarded a grant by the State Board of Education to expand the number of elementary and secondary teachers who have national certification through the National Board for Professional Teaching Standards.
With the $181,900 grant, ISU will focus its activities on increasing the number of National Board certified teachers (NBCTs) outside of Chicago, and designing and implementing a regional model for the recruitment, preparation, and professional development of teachers. It will also use the grant funds, in partnership with ISBE, to help secure additional funding for the project from NBPTS.
ISU, which currently works with Chicago NBPTS candidates, is one of five National Board Resource Centers in the country and has creatively designed opportunities to help prepare their NBPTS applications. Under the terms of the grant, the University will identify and train National Board certified teachers in six regions of the State, consistent with the regions established for the Regional Offices of Education. The NBCTs will deliver pre-candidacy courses, make recruitment presentations, and serve as mentors to candidates. The activities will also assure the delivery of professional development opportunities to National Board candidates, National Board certified teachers, and classroom teachers across the six regions.
The recruitment efforts also will seek to attract
candidates from school districts and regions of the State that have not
historically participated in the National Board program, including rural
districts in central and southern
Robert Schiller
State Superintendent of Education


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Margreet de Heer, who sometimes uses the pseudonym Senoeni, is a Dutch comic artist who has gained international recognition through her informative comic books. She was born in Leiden and grew up in the North of Holland into a family of two reverends in the Dutch Reformed Church. In 1990, she moved to Amsterdam, where she studied Theology at the University of Amsterdam. From 1994 until 1996, she was an exchange student in Edinburgh, Scotland. Upon her return to Holland, she started to take her hobby of drawing comics more seriously and joined Maaike Hartjes' comic studio De Zwarte Handel.
Her first self-published comic, 'Misc. I', appeared in 1999, soon followed by 'How To Get Over Your Ex?'. Around the same time, Margreet graduated as a theologist. Not feeling that she had a "calling" in the church, however, she decided to look for a job around comics and found one at the comic store Lambiek in Amsterdam, where she worked for five years as a web-designer. Margreet edited the Comiclopedia on this website together with Bas Schuddeboom, and also set up the Dutch section about the history comics in the Netherlands; all under the watchful eye of Lambiek's founder Kees Kousemaker. Together with Kousemaker she also compiled 'De Wereld van de Nederlandse Strip', a richly illustrated book about Dutch comics, that was published in 2005.
Margreet with the Lambiek webteam in August 2004
During her period with Lambiek, Margreet steadily continued to work on her comics oeuvre. In autumn 2002, she started the self-published comic book series 'Kinderleed Komix', about her experiences as a stepmother. In the following year, she founded Senoeni Comics Productions, through which she published her own comics, but also those of children who show a talent and interest in comics. In later years, between 2008 and 2011, she continued to coach young talent through the Daily Danger website.
In addition, Margreet's work found its way to magazines. Sanoma's weekly magazine for girls Yes published her strip 'Isa' between 2004 and 2008, while her strip 'Stella' ran on the back pages of Flo' magazine by Malmberg in the period 2005-2008. Her longest running comic has been 'Mijntje', that was published in the lesbian magazine Zij aan Zij since the Spring of 2004.
Other shorterlived series were 'Robin & Julie' for the Belgian magazine Farfelu (2006-2008), 'Rens & Gevoelens' for Margreet Dolman's magazine Mens & Gevoelens (2006) and 'Babytalk' for VivaMama (2007-2008). She was also hired as a scriptwriter for magazines Jippo ('Nino & Nena' with Floris de Smedt), Okki and National Geographic Junior, and served as a cartoonist at conventions and board meetings.
Part of Margreet's comical take on the "War On Terror"
By 2006 she also ventured into the field of newspaper comics with the autobiographical series 'Echt', which she made in alternation with five other artists for NRC.Next. But it were the monthly comic reports on philosophical subjects that she made for newspaper Trouw between 2007 and 2010 that paved the way for her groundbreaking series of "Discoveries in Comics".
Part of Margreet's philosophical comic dealing with the death of Kees Kousemaker in 2010.
The first of this series, called 'Filosofie in Beeld', dealt with western philosophy was published by Meinema and presented in Galerie Lambiek in March 2010. The follow-up, 'Religie in Beeld', took a look at the five world religions and was presented in Lambiek on 25 February 2011. 'Wetenschappen in Beeld', the third installment, dealt with science and was published in October 2012. 'Wereldheerschappij in Beeld', the fourth installment, dealing with world domination, was published in 2015.
Philosophy: a Discovery in Comics
The books are widely praised for the playful and readable way they deal with difficult subject matter. The author treats the sometimes sensitive subjects from several points of view, thus avoiding partiality, and interweaves the informative parts with doubts and personal thoughts through representations of herself and her husband. Her book about philosophy was the first to translated to English. It was published as 'Philosophy: a Discovery in Comics' by the US publisher NBM in August 2012. 'Science: a Discovery in Comics' followed in September 2013.
Since 2008, Margreet has worked in close collaboration with her husband, comic artist, painter and poet Yiri T. Kohl, who acts as her sounding board and colorist. Margreet and Yiri also participate in theatrical activities, such as the Terra:Extremitas art event with the theatre company FoolishPeople in 2008, and in the annual Summer courses at Oxford University. Events that are afterwards regularly chronicled in online comic reports. In 2013 Margreet made an informative comic book about the history of Dutch comics in commission of the Meermanno Museum in The Hague. She also has a regular page in Predikant & Samenleving, the magazine for pastors in Holland, and makes the historical strip 'Zo Zat Dat' in Wetenschap in Beeld.
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