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Philadelphia Phillies (1-0) at Los Angeles Dodgers (0-1)
Pedro Martinez, RHP vs. Vicente Padilla, RHP
Time: 4:07 p.m at Dodger Stadium
Weather: Sunny, 85
Twitter: Phillies Nation
A couple of old horses face off today in L.A. Just about 14 hours after the conclusion of Game 1, the Phillies and Dodgers will do battle once again with Pedro Martinez taking the hill against ex-Phil Vicente Padilla.
Pedro has not pitched since September 30 against Houston, so lets hope there isn't too much rust. He has tossed only seven innings since throwing 130 pitches against the New York Mets back on September 13. There is some pressure on Martinez to come out of the gate quickly, without incident, because he has a penchant for giving up early runs. Opponents hit three home runs in nine first-innings against Pedro this season with the Phillies. He's given up a total of six runs in those nine starts. After that, he normally calms down, as he has proven with his four runs allowed from the fourth to the sixth innings of his starts.
Vicente Padilla is a surprising start in Game 2 for the Dodgers. The guess here is that Joe Torre did not want Padilla pitching in Philly on a cold night with hostile fans berating him. Smart move. Padilla has been nothing short of brilliant since being picked up, going 4-0 through seven starts. However, he struggles mightily in the middle innings, something the Phillies offense will surely pick up on. The Phillies have scored 18 runs between the fourth and sixth innings in five playoff games in '09. Look for the trend to continue, although a few early on couldn't hurt either.
The Good: Brad Lidge coming in and nailing it down for yet another save. Is he back to his old ways? Also, Ryan Howard now has 8 RBI in five games this postseason. Look out, Reggie Jackson.
Tonight's Lineup: Rollins (SS), Victorino (CF), Utley (2B), Howard (1B), Werth (RF), Ibanez (LF), Feliz (3B), Ruiz (C), Hamels (P).
Your Gameday Beer – Dogfish Head 120 Minute IPA
While enjoying this afternoon game, grab some delicious Dogfish 120. It'll make you hop, for sure. It is continuously hopped with high-alpha American hops, then dry-hopped daily in the fermenter for a month & aged for another month on whole-leaf hops. The 20% ABV make this more like jungle juice than beer, but it should give you a nice dayload as the Phils look to take Game 2. Enjoy with some charred burgers and beans, but prepare for a rough Saturday morning. Hop to it. – By Pat
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I wish I could make it to Ventor this afternoon, but I have a 6:00 flight out of Reagan National 🙁
If there are any get-togethers for game 4 please make some sort of announcement! I'll do my best to get to the pre-determined watering hole for the Washington-based Phaithful.
dang Pat, that's a whole lot of hoppin' going on!
lets go phil
Is Hamels pinch hitting for Martinez already or should the lineup end with Martinez?
Let's go Fightins!!!
I think of all the games, this is the one that's most difficult to call. I have no idea what we're going to get from Pedro, and I don't think the Dodgers know what they are going to get with Padilla. That said, we're playing with house money today. I'll take the 1-1 split heading to Philly, but boy would a 2-0 lead be amazing.
I'm wearing clothes now bitch!
Lets get this started
Here's hopin' Pedro's got the stuff. But I'm bracing myself: the Phils can't seem to stand too much prosperity.
It's starting already…the TBS pre game is just an LA love fest…
I don't know what's going to happen today, but this game sure is "made for t.v."
I picked Phillies in 5 or six games tops… But if we win today with Pedro on the mound this will be a 4 game sweep!
Sweep LA! Sweep LA! Sweep LA!
Russell Martin is a straight up little b*tch…. Stop wasting your time arguing with him Victorino.
Go Phils! Beat that drunnk f*cktard Padilla…
I tell you this team plays so many goofy games we should change their name to the philadelphia goofies
Phillies' starting lineup career playoff OPS numbers:
Rollins .684
Victorino .850
Utley .830
Howard .912
Werth 1.029
Ibanez .724
Feliz .548
Ruiz .819
What's interesting is that all of their starters have played in at least 3 years of playoff series, with Ibanez, Werth, and Feliz having prior playoff experience with other teams.
The two figures that really jump out at you are Werth, who has one of the highest playoff OPS numbers of all time, and Rollins, who has been very poor and who has no business leading off, as he has just one walk versus 8 strikeouts in his last 10 playoff games.
Ruiz also has been mister clutch in the playoffs, and with Howard's surge this year, his playoff numbers are very close to his career regular season figures.
If we had home field advantage for this series we'd have 2 postponements already, the weather is suck, suck, sucking in SE Pa.
Go Phils!! And those TBS idiots – let's add to their depression with another win.
I guess Manny got the big box of roids for this series.
According to the announcers his homer was magical last night. It is also the only replay from last night I have seen so far.
ughh yes you are right, they're all busting a nut over the Dodgers
Who would you rather have a foul ball strike and injure?
a. Buck Martinez
b. Ron Darling
c. Chip Carey
I am really hoping pedro can come out and be sharp right away. even when he was pitching during the season he often let up some first inning runs. hopefully after 26 or 27 days off i forget which he can start sharp.
Hey! It looks like MLB's Postseason TV is working today. Maybe it's not a complete rip-off…. we'll see if it's still working when the game starts.
Jeez, where does that guy get his suits?
2 crappy ABs to start the game.
Fashion Bug….
All those empty seats…pathetic.
I guess we're not working the count today?
Figgins' o'fer against Boston is the only thing saving J-Roll from being the worst lead-off guy left standing( p-off stat wise) in the Final Four… J-Roll/Vic have to get on base often and early for this O to be consist. productive….
griffin he was looking for a pitch to drive, he got it, he missed it. He'll be up again unless you have him traded before his next ab
Ok guys, we got a game with the Dodgers today. And that only means one thing. Bad news for the Dodgers!
You got it coach
Is it just me, or is the TBS pitch track thing totally useless?
That pitch track thing is useless and inaccurate
wow, talk about an overreaction there Ray.
According to movies and TV, Pedro pitches a perfect game today.
Padilla is a true skell.
dont know if that is good or bad. normally the worst pitchers are best vs the phils.
I think Padilla will look fine one time through the lineup and then start to fall apart.
I was overreacting to your overreaction griffin
TBS needs to get some more commercials. It feels like it is the same 5 commercials. Also, can anybody explain the George Lopez "public option" joke? Or is it just not funny?
Padilla throws one pitch, a fastball. The Phils will have him timed next time around. Both pitchers are painting some corners so far.
The Marquee matchup
I dont want to hate Manny but TBS and these 3 morons make it impossible to not.
Go Pedro!!!!!!!!!!!!
the announcer said big night by ramirez last night. Maybe you could say a good night. he did have a 2 run homer, but didn't he go 1-5 and had two rbi situations where he made the last out of the inning? A big night would've been if he could've come through on at least another occasion, beings that they lost and all
How about pedro and his perfect game so far?
@Ron: Don't jinx it!!!
According to Love of the Game, not only will Pedro throw a perfect game, his wife will fall back in love with him, and he will win back the respect and admiration of his daughter.
@Morris: I like it!
Choochtober continues.
Manny is the premier "superstar" in the series so they need to promote him to draw attention to the series. Its business. I don't care if they start chanting "Phillies suck" in the booth along with the classless fans so long as the Phils win the game.
So he's more worried about changing the scouting report on chooch? Does he work for the dodgers? lol
I kind of hope Ruiz goes 0 for 150 at some point next year so I can come here and explain baseball to alot of you people.
Ruiz is team MVP every year if he hits .150. Never mind how clutch he is.
We contend because of Ruiz, Utley and Victorino and Rollins defense.
Not your mashers.
They could promote a guy named howard instead of a guy who cheated to get most of his stats.
Even Andrew doesn't give Howard respect
Chanting phillies suck is nothing compared to what eagles fans do to opposing teams and their fans at the linc..lol
Wow a strike zone bigger than a proton, how refreshing. Chooch you are many things but a basestealer you are not. Not a bad time to run though.
Howard shmoward.
I do think when discusing the majesty and greatness of MANroid they could bring up that he juiced for 98% of his career homers.
It was a great time for Chooch to run. It's just a shame they could not make them pay for making the error. Phillies should try to score some runs before the fans arrive.
Hmn… OK, no perfect game. Can I get a shutout?
I am surprising they did not declare the sac bunt as magical and majestic.
ray, google manny ramirez baseball and ryan howard baseball and you get many more Manny hits. He is the draw. Remember that chicks get more attention.
Andrew's just a kid with a dream, a silly, silly dream
What on earth is up with Chase's throws to 1st?
That is a great play by Pedro. He had plenty of time to get Martin at second. Did not feel comfy making that throw. I am just suprised that Blanton was our top starter and has not pitched in a post season start. Anybody else suprised??
If Ryan K went to La or NY these 3 announcers would be camped out in his colon also.
Look at all those empty seats in the lower level, that is so annoying.
Oh i agree with you joedad it's just annoying..lol…actually the announcers haven't really been bothering me, i just watch the game and don't really care what they say, i was just paying more attention because everyone else is complaining..lol
Jeff because blanton can come out of the pen and martinez can't. Although if they don't need blanton today he should get the game 4 start. That's just my thought anyways
Don't try that crap pitch against Pimp Caddy
He got something to drive there and he didn't miss that woo hooo
My new favorite player. Ryan Howard
Did somebody order a package?
Oh, and Joe, could you drop trou and bend over so we can kiss your butt a little easier?
Ryan> Manny anyday!
Manny showed Padilla up not going after that home run. What a twit.
I bet if there were some steroids or womans fertility drugs tied to that baseball Manny would have went after it.
ray, i heard the TBS calls on the Torealba double and the Howard double and was shocked at the difference in excitement levels so I believe you. I can't hear the announcers personally because my kids are loud today.
Andrew Says:
October 16th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
My new favorite player. Ryan Howard
Yeah but you know what joedad i usually don't pay attention to the announcers because when we are scoring I'm yelling anyways and don't hear them. But after hearing everyone complaining I tried to notice more. The difference between manny's homer call and howard's call today was enormous. You're right though, who gives a crap as long as they win.
Is it just me, or are Padilla and Pedro getting two different strike zones? I know, typical fan bitching, but it is starting to look a little fishy to me.
Ron Darling is explaining to us what a shut down inning is.
holy Crap I am wishing it was Chris Wheeler.
Andrew you have to put howard in there with those other guys you mentioned because sometimes he put this team on his shoulders and just carries them
that ball looked like it rolled up the mound like a ramp..lol
beautiful throw chooch
someone document how I have been on ruiz since day 1. And praised the Marosn deal. and got pissed at the talk of any oter catcher.
andrew i would never want an otter as a catcher..lol
Pete is dealing.
Howard is great. But most teams have a slugging 1b man.
Defence in the middle especially catchers wins.
Ruiz is better on his worst day than Piazza was on his best. Really 99.999% of fans will never get that. I wont argue that at this poiint anyway. To me my point is proven.
Ryan Howard is hitting .370 (20-for-54) with six doubles, four home runs and 17 RBIs in his last 14 playoff games
You're saying howard is a dime a dozen player. What are you smoking?
Andrew did you just actually say that most teams have a ryan howard? That's exactly what you said. WOW
Its not like hes Manny or something. Get a grip people.
I had to post that again so I could make sure you comprehend what you said….lol
The dodgers can get swept and MANroid could go hitless the rest of the way and Chip, Buck and Ron would still vote him MVP. Hes majestic.
wow took till 5 18 for Buck to mention Pedros dad.
Ok there are worse announcers tha Wheeler. I wusually say he is the worst in baseball. He may still be but this 3 man combo is the worst team.
Andrew aren't you listening to all of the compliments Pedro is getting?
they are giving pedro plenty of love that is true, but really they have no other choice..lol
Ok if pedro and the phils were getting lit up we would be getting posts left and right complaining, now they are playing really well and what have we got? Is there a jinx factor involved here or is it that nobody is happy unless they have something to bitch about?
Everybody hits. WooHoo
Let's support Pedro with a couple of runs in the 6th! Let's go Phils!
Ray its that way all year. When its good Its me and 1 other person.
Let the bullpen implode and you will have 500 hate posts. And not just ones of me having fun calling people Ryan K and Cole Chambles.
Mean ones lol
These announcers are light years better than the clowns who announced the Rockies series.
Well let's remember that things are going good now and no trolls, so if they get the oppurtunity to come in here(Please No), but if they do, just ignore them becasue they showed who they are. Things go good for the phils and they are nonexistant punks hiding
i am here when I watch from home. Most night games I goto my buddies to watch and am not on line. but I am here today. you are all so blessed 🙂
nonexistent….i'm my own spell checker….lol
What's this "its time for the Dodger bats to get busy" crap?? Could they be any more blatently Pro LA?
Look at the old man waving his depends behind the plate
Tommy Lasorda?
Who cares if the announcers are pro-Dodger? Let the babies have thier bottle. I'll just take a Phillies win.
he's a little to the right..waving the towel like it has a 25 pound weight on it
Wow, Pedro looks incredible. He could teach Cole Hamels a few things.
Pedro is dealing. The 3 morons really seem to want him out of the game.
The announcer got pretty excited when pedro forced that last pop out. I'm done with complaining about them, it's showing that our fans have some kind of inferiority complex
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Maybe next year the League will realize that the Phillies games have been the best games of the playoffs so far and put them on in better time slots.
Howad is completely out of his mind on fire right now
Howard that is
Werth is ready to do some damage for us here. He is due.
Charlie really should consider dropping Jimmy to 6th or 7th. This is painful.
I'd totally send Howard here 0-2, no one would see it, it will be a breaking ball for sure.
Trust in Charlie…..
Damn, looks like Werth brought his big bag of bed crap. And he just unloaded it there.
Well Werth's playing like crap today…
Very different game today than yesterday.This ump has a wide strike zone while yesterdays ump had a postage stamp size zone. Todays pitchers are on of just off the corners and not pitching over the plate. Hitters are a bit gassed after playing 4 hours last nigh and turning around to play the next afternoon in 90+ degree heat.
The dropping Jimmy to 6th or 7th post not me.
It put him 8th though.
I would like to see more of Man Pedro is pitching awesome today and less of so and so is playing like crap today..lol
The Phillies are giving away a lot of at-bats. So far this series they have played pretty poorly. But they won the first game, and have a 1-0 lead in the 7th. All the pressure is on the Dodgers. The Phillies are in a great position right now.
Feels like the phillies will blow this one late
ha again not me.
If its blown though it will be Madsen
I am so sick of the term walk-off. Drives me nuts. It makes Stuart Sacott too excited.
Madson threw a lot of pitches yesterday, the only way he would play today would be as a last option in a long extra inning game
What if MANroid got a hit here. Be a circle jerk in the booth.
Just think if the TBS broadcasters were here they could explain to you all what a circle jerk is.
7th inning the dodgers fans have been there for 3 innings so far and now it's time for the dodger faithful to start heading towards the exits
eighth inning that is
Hell of a game, Pedro
I dunno – I might leave old Pedro in. But I'm not going to start second-guessing Charlie here.
hrmmm Park in the 8th, ehh? I think I like it!
Anyone know the name of the song on the intro to last inning, went something like, they will not console us
If chan ho cruises in the eighth charlie might want to consider let him finish it out
Manny hit a few foul balls hard and the last out was hit hard, the first hard hit ablls in the game by the Dodgers. He totally dominated.
I would actually prefer stairs to try and get a bomb if ruiz makes an out
can't believe they are doing the wave
I would like to run my gingers through Mannys hair and give him a massage. Just to touch greatness.
Why is Charlie taking Pedro out? WHY???
The offense has been flat and one pinch-hitter isn't going to change it. Greg Dobbs is going to get out and then we'll be praying for Madson and Lidge to somehow both be lights-out.
Because Pedro was great. and hes older and he deserves to leave with the lead.
alright Chan Ho. Make us proud.
Dave with a one run lead,you cant afford to wait and see when Pedro will run out of Gas. You have to anticipate, and trust your bullpen can get it done…
Cna't blame Cholly for taking him out there. He pitched great but was near 90 pitches after not pitching for about a month. Need to get 6 more outs.
all year every relief pitcher the first hitter faced gets on. I bet its an all time record and its mostly bad luck
Great pitching by both Pedro and Padilla. One run games and and our BP scare me though…..
With Pedro at fewer than 90 pitches and working on a shoutout through the 7th, versus our bullpen? I'd trust Pedro.
But then again, there is a reason I'm sitting at home on a computer and Charlie's managing the WFC
I hope Charlie calls our timeout from the dugout when the Dodgers are in mid strectch like last night.
Why does this always happen?
keep the faith people…that was absolutely awful but keep the faith.
breath in breath out
Buck is getting erect now
Why did Pedro come out?
We can never get a clean, consistent game. Always with the theatrics.
Why did they take pedro out?
Buck is giddy
I know if Chan Ho doesnt settle down and does lose this, he gets the Jeltz, but I would give it Charlie. WTF, under 90 pitches and take out Pedro. Im sure Pedro is PISSED
u guys sweating yet
A good game that has turned into this.
WTF is going on with utley?
Utley's throws have been awful this whole series. Twice today he almost pulled Howard off the bag. I knew he was going to air mail another one. I knew it. I was just hoping it wouldn't cost us.
that a boy chase no wfcs this year
Utley has not made a clean throw to 1st in either game, wtf is wrong with him?
Its been shaky was shaky last night too
i cant believe this
For christs sake
I'd rather sweat in October mets88 than have my season be over three weeks after it started…but thats just Phillies fan's I guess.
It would help if they managed to score more than one run off VIcente padilla..
Chase Utley, to be honest, looks like he got paid some extra money by someone…to throw the ball away yesterday and today. Im serious. It looked that bad.
also. Pedro Feliz – WITHOUT A DOUBT – should be released in the offseason and they should pursue Mark DeRosa or Chone Figgins. They also need a better utility player because of Chase Utleys blatant durability issues late in the season.
That said, Pedro Martinez was dazzling today and the Phillies are still going to win this game I think.
terrible managing taking pedro out and what wrong with utley?
Holy shitballs. WTF is wrong with him? Talk about bb balls…coming up really small Chutley. This one is on Chahley unfortunately. What the hell is he thinking with Pedro? Really a brutally bad decision. I'm sure we'll get one of his stellar explanations after this loss. Epic Fail.
Someone with a mets name posting too funny
Hey Mets 88, how are the Mets doing in their series? In Playstation 3. Moron, the Mets didnt even finish in 3rd place, and you are on here? LOL. DUH.
I can't believe this.
Jim, how can you do that to us?
jim thome ur my homie
Utley lost the series for us. There is NO excuse for that pathetic throw.
This is what happens when you dont score more than one run off Vicente Padilla, they deserve EVERY BIT of what is happening to them now. They need to fight for it now.
UTLEY CHOKES! UTLEY CHOKES! Where is the outrage??? HMMMMMMM…
Utley is so bad it looks intentional . furst thought was he bet these games.It looks that bad. I am in shock
lets go dodgers kill those phils
Calm down guys, they will still win the series.
It's friday night and I"m home obsessed with seeing the phillies lose and then posting on this site finally after the game is tied. Wow we could've really used pedro again this year and maybe we wouldn't have been as bad as the nationals.
Heres a great idea. you have a pitcher that has pretty much completely SHUT DOWN the Dodgers for 7 innings, barely showed signs of cracking, and had under 90 pitches, and you have a bad bullpen, lets take the starter out. DUH. Well Lets go back to Philly and win those 2.
They should have kept Pedro in the game.
Pedro should still be pitching. This would of been his last big game. Utley cant make a simple throw. Our bullpen is horrible. this is over. should of brough happ or blanton in.
why the hell did they take Park out…Charlie is a moron…
It's like the phillies were trying to lose the game. Absolute bullshit, the inning should be over already
Also, these TBS announcers are actually worse than Buck, if thats possible. These guys are total shills. The on field reporter, the one with the PINK blazer, has the worst suit on ever in history, lol.
With our pen you cant have errors
Utley is a the jeltz
I Says:
October 16th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Utley lost the series for us.
LMAO, talk about a twit
These Dodger fans are scum. They make me sick. They are the EPITOME of what is wrong with our country.
This game is on Charlie. Are they trying to lose?
You guys are too funny… If that was Ryan Howard you all would have a million more posts calling him every name in the book… Jimmy was called all kinds of names the other day on a mistake that wasn't even his fault…. Phillies Nation?? More like racists nation…. I'm done with this site!
MELTDOWN!!!! Phillies bullpen and defense a disaster. Should never have taken out Pedro.
No, PAL. Im calling for someone who can play second (De Rosa) to be signed because late in the season UTLEY wears down and gets worse. And PEDRO FELIZ is DONE and he should be let go in the offseason so they can go and get someone better.
he didn't catch that ball on purpose
That wouldnt have been 3 outs though even if Utley made the throw, the Run is still in.
Why does Joe Torre get 40 mins to make whatever move he wants?
the runner would have been on third, if Utley made that play.
Omg geoff is getting rid of Utley…LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO
i BLAME HIM 100%
Charlie is over-managing I think, he did it last night to but it happened to work out. Hope it works out agian.
ok i misread that you just want someone to take the load off
anyways, great job madson
Geoff is back to trade away the Phillies.
The joy of being a fan of a winning team is today offset by watching my team crap all over itself, like a child with the runs in a new Easter outfit.
I feel tremendous anxiety and anger, mostly at Charlie Manual for replacing Pedro Martinez. Then, Chase Utley's abysmal play at second base. We may have lost the momentum and our confidence is shaken. Our bullpen sucks and I need both a blood pressure pill and nerve pill. GO PHILS !!! It's only one game. What good are the thrills without the pain. These are gooooood nerve pills !!!
Alright guys if Happ can get Eithier out, we're still in this game…hopefully Utley will be out for some redemption
I did not say that chief. I said he slows down at this time of year so they need someone to spell him once in a while SO THAT he can be well rested for OCTOBER baseball. But they have NOONE good enough to step in and do that really, in terms of backup middle infielders. They need to address that this winter.
First off Pedro had a low pitch count. Second to start the inning pedro is guarding the line. I hate that. If he hits it down the line god bless him. That would of been an easy out. The chase. The rest is history.
If he wants to trade utley we gotta get trade geoff to the dodgers
Trade Howard, Rollins and Francisco for LaRouche, Eckstein and Holliday
there is a such thing as over managing. I wonder if Charlie knows that.
4 pitchers in this inning…could have stuck with Pedro, he could have done this and it would have only cost you one guy.
Anyone notice the 3 guys who went straight from Denver to Cali are playing pretty crappily? Did they get into some bad extra-curriculars or something?
Mrs huffnagle from st elsewhere? classic
And yet Geoff, Utley very possibly saved the World Series last season with his head up play on the field WITH an injured hip.
Kobe is a dodgers fan because he's been out there 14 years? How come he's an eagles fan? He should be a no nfl team fan because LA is a lousy place for a NFL franchise because their fans suck
we gave this game away
Let me guess…another pitcher?
Happ sucks. how do you walk a guy like that. just throw it over. utley and this offense, defense melt down. should be up 2-0
jesus happ
Shoot, they blew it now. The phillies DESERVED this because of how they played. Charlie Manuel has overmanaged his way out of a victory today perhaps. This bullpen is SHOT though, and it needs to be rebuild TOTALLY in the offseason. They can start by resigning Park.
Madson has been waaaaay off this postseason
Happ is AWESOME in the regular season, but even yesterday he didnt look great. Post Season is not kind to Happ.
4 pitchers used. They all blew it and they all SUCK. THANKS UTLEY
Brian, aren't you the one who said you won't give Cole a pass just for being MVP last year? I apologize in advance if it wasn't you.
And for the record, I totally blame Utley for this loss, if we lose….
give me that lead
Chase Utley intentionally threw those balls away, what do you think about that pal?
Thank you fav ex-Tiggy….let's get the lead back!!!
He did it so nonchalantly that it couldnt have been a good faith effort, and niether one looked like a good faith effort. It looked like he got paid some extra money to tank it..
Ok top of the order, good job by durbin, we have a chance, if not we go back to philly tied 1-1, there's no reason to cry and whine
These Dodger fans are scum. They make me sick. They are the EPITOME of what is wrong with our country.
because they are cheering for their team?
Time for a comeback fellas
If anyone but utley gets the Jeltz
Ill not return here.
And the Phillies STILL could win this game when Jonathan Broxton CHOKES and reecords a blown save.
truly pathetic
I am also getting frustrated with Rollins.
Funny thing is i'm mets88 but in 1988 the dodgers whipped my mets in the playoffs to go to the world series. Wow I'm an idiot
That's how s 2nd baseman should throw a ball. F Utley!!!!!!!
Yes, and I stand by that comment Georgie (by the way, yesteday Cole pitched effectively enough for that win, yesterday being close is also on Utley) but look through my comments in the past and today, have I EVER called to get rid of Cole Hamels? If you are going to use my comments against me, I hope you know them.
why is rollins leading off? I still cant belie utley. soomeone check the betting patterns. It is like Neil Odonnell in the super bowl throwing to where non of his players are.
1 more out boys shutdown these morons
Also Georgie, did I say I was giving Utley a free pass? I admit I am at work and have to watch it on MLB.com, so if Utley made the throw and no one would have scored, than its on him. I didnt see it, it didnt seem like it mattered with how I had to watch it. Unlike you, I can call out a player for playing poorly, and STILL not want to get rid of him.
I think those guys were out partying in LA while the rest of the team went home, they all know they're burnt out, that's why Cole looked at them like that, and why Pedro shot that look out to Vic when that ball sort of dropped in front of him. Bad team karma now, crap.
that's cool come back to philly and wrap it up in the cold weather
mets88, seriously, I am curious why you are on Phillies Nation posting idiotic comments as a band wagon Dodgers fan if the Mets were as HORRIBLE as they were? They were probably the 2nd WORST team in the NL. Are at least darn close, and you cant even talk about Injuries.
thata baby phillies suck
What a difficult lost. Should have won the game if Charlie stayed with Pedro or Chase made that play.
God damn it. Goddamn you Utley.
2 games in a row
2. you see 8 men out? The guys put a star by suspicious plays.
I see 2 and there was otehr weird plays and iffy thorws yesterday
GD i am so pissed
oh yeah..no reason..pitching great, didnt give up a walk, two hits, low pitch count, not tired..but charlie takes him out..yup, makes sense
Yeah, LA cant play in the cold, we do know that from last year. We WILL win this series in 5 games. In every series, the Phillies have a tanker game like this. Its ok. Yes, it was BS that LA won this game. Its just maddening like Game 2 against Colorado was…BUT the Phillies will win the next three games and win this series because DESPITE the flaws they have, they ARE a better team.
Brian, now you're putting words in my mouth, when did I say to get rid of Utley (pot calling kettle black)?
The error last night my friend says to me he hasnt done that 1 time all year.
now this. you score 1 run though truly pathetic.
OK, tough loss but the series is tied 1-1. Next 3 are in Philly. Phils are in the driver's seat.
yea dont talk about injuries lol when your leadoff man and shorstop your cleanup hitter 2 starters center fielder all star all star setup man miss basically the whole year. yea forget about the injuries you dont deserve to call yourself a fan if you no that little about baseball to think that u dumb ass
Just so we are clear, the Dodgers didn't beat us, we beat us. We will get them on Sunday behind Clifton Phiefer Lee.
what do you want me to do? I never get laid so I may as well come in here. By the way, did you guys see me here yesterday when the phillies were winning? Or today when the phillies were winning? NO of course not, i was hiding under my rock licking the dirt and eating the worms
Charlie for the Jeltz, no doubt. He totally shit the bed on this game. This team does not look good at all but ultimately, Charlie blew this one. Did I actually just see him laughing in the dugout with Werth (less) as the Phils were down to their last out? I couldn't have seen that, could I? What a joke. This is the type of loss that causes teams to lose series.
Well first and foremost, Charlie should have left Pedro in there, Chase may never have had to make that throw, 2nd, Chase should have made that throw. Since Chase was put in that situation, he can blame only himself for that throw.
awww he's crying about injuries. It shows how much your team is a bunch of p*ssies…by the way it's "know" not no. You can't call someone a dumbass if you don't know the difference.
"yea forget about the injuries you dont deserve to call yourself a fan if you no that little about baseball to think that u dumb ass" Ya dumbass, even when some of those "awesome players" came back, the Mets continued to lose! See Phillies fans are blaming poor play instead of blaming injuries. Phillies have a hodge podge bullpen overall BECAUSE of injury, and yet WE are blaming POOR PLAY. If you are a REAL baseball fan instead of an ignorant moron you would realize Injuries happen. DUH.
this is very very bad
this is the kind of game that makes teams implode.
Still in complete shock this si all on utley 100% not the old man
Just wanted to come by and thank you guys for wasting a beautiful gem by Pedro. Vincente Padilla and crew just dealt a 1 to "the most powerful lineup in baseball". If you want to blame anyone BTW, blame Chuck Manuel for pulling Pedro…we couldn't touch him all day. We got us a series now folks!
Brian of CO-Leaving Pedro in wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game. Park did his job and Utley lost the game. And not to bitch but these announcers are pathetic. Someone let me know when they get the Dodgers' d***s out of thier mouths.
if chase made that play, 2 outs runner on 3rd and i almost guarantee we would have gotten out of that inning with the lead still
the double play that chase got today was 10x EASIER than the other one last night..a little ridiculous
I am REALLY curious to hear what kind of explanation Chase gives.
He bet the dodgers?
Ed R, just like yesterday, the Dodgers didnt keep themselves in the game, the Phillies kept them in the game. The team is not playing well. They held on yesterday, regardless of Utley's throw, but giving up two lead off singles in the 8th doesnt help either.
yea reyes and delgado came back right. lol just shut up if you dont know the facts idiot.
was this game there? yes… utley makes a bad throw..
maybe pedro should stay in
did you think this series was gonna be easy?
It is pretty sad that we have to use 5 pitchers to get 3 outs. Our BP is awful. You just know it won't be clean whoever comes in the game. For the last 4 games bad stuff have happen late in the game. It is not a good sign. You also have to address the offense. Howard and Carlos are the only ones that are seeing the ball. Rollins is back to his old self, Werth just looks terrible and then there is Pedro, who hasn't had a hit since last week. What is going on with this team.
Matt M, After seeing the play, true I blame Utley, but its still hard to say Park did his job by giving up 2 singles. The tying run is completely on Chase, but I still find it difficult to say Park did his job by giving up 2 straight singles, and by the way I said "Chase MAY never have had to make that throw". How can you definativaly say "Leaving Pedro in wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game." Is that really possible to say?
terri SHUT THE F. UP
werth had a bad game..he also HIT OVER .300 IN THE NLDS
I would have been totally happy with a split in LA, but after seeing Martinez do so well today I really got greedy for getting both games. This loss is 100% on Chase Utley's shoulders. I don't know what the heck's gotten into him. I have every confidence we'll take two of the three (at least) in Philly, especially Game 3 with Lee pitching. But I want this series to end in 6 games because I have to be traveling next Saturday and won't be able to see Game 7.
"just shut up if you dont know the facts idiot." I guess I would pissed and embarrassed if my favorite team was that bad.
I don't see why everyone thinks it's charlies fault. The phillies beat themselves on a couple unearned runs. He took out Pedro because Pedro hasn't pitched a game in a month and he is getting old. If he kept Pedro in and he gave up a run then you would all be singing the same tune. If the players Charlie choosed actually executed how they were supposed to, then we would have won the game, but chase gave up a costly error and will still be a hall of famet and happ gave up a walked in run and is still in the running for rookie of the year. So chalk it up as some some sloppy fielding and let's
get them on Sunday! GO PHILS!!!
Like I said, they can't stand prosperity. If I didn't know any better, I'd say Chase was taking a dive, to miss that throw twice in as many days.
by the way charlie didnt screw this game up. here's why:
He put Park in and the first hit was a play feliz always makes
They also had a sure double play in that inning that was botched.
Everyone forgets the reason why the first guy was on base?
Charlie over managing? It's the friggin playoffs you throw everything you got out there and get your best match ups with pitcher against hitter. Two infield mistakes cost us the game. Although feliz wasn't technically a mistake it's a play he should make
Joe leaves Kershaw in too long.
Charlie takes Pedro out too early.
Both teams mashers crap the bed (except for Howard).
Series tied 1-1.
Ain't baseball great?
I do not blame all the players who didnt hit. I do not blame charlie. I do not blame madson for walking in the go ahead run.
Its all on chase. all of it. and its 2 games in a row. Been any 2 game stretch ever he let in back to back like that?
I think constantly switching pitchers to play the righty/lefty odds is the most overrated tactic in baseball. A good pitcher can get a batter out no matter how well the batter can see the ball. Utley took a gem of a game and flushed it down the toilet. I think we can recover; this team is resiliant, and we are coming home to a nice cold ballpark.
yeah..utley was throwing the game
you ppl are pathetic..
i'm done with this blog because you ppl are unreal
it's 1-1 and the phillies have their REAL ACE going in game 3…and 3 straight home games..
"I would have been totally happy with a split in LA, but after seeing Martinez do so well today I really got greedy for getting both games."
exactly, but they're not gonna win many games scoring one run.
I was just kidding about Utley. Jeez!
To Goosebumps: "CHOOSED"?!
I'm with you, Marty. Good lord, people are acting like we lost the series. RELAX. The Dodgers were gonna win a game. We're leaving with the split, which is excellent. I think we're gonna sweep at home.We could argue all night where the game was lost and whose fault it was. We lost – the series is tied. Let's get them back at the bank. We are very much in control. You guys should have WAY, WAY more faith in this team and what they can and will do.
MOAB the dodgers aren't going to win many games scoring just two runs and having to depend on more utley errors
Only one person here noticed the heads up play that Werth made.
This type of loss haunts a team
Re: first round Cardinals vs dodgers = see matt holliday
Like I said above, the result MIGHT have been different, but Utley still SHOULD have made that throw. It is possible to blame a player, get pissed, and STILL be a fan. It is possible to not see everything as rosie after after two mediocre games overall defensively (today offensively as well) and not be happy, but still hopeful that they can take the next 3. NEITHER team is playing well. The Phillies CAN beat this team, and HAS, but they still arent playing well overall, however even the worst play yesterday was Utley. Even in the 9th inning, his throw to Howard was high, and not that good. I dont know whats up with Utley, but to say he sucks or needs to be replaced as some people have said is insanity. He has had a few bad games. Doesnt mean get rid of him.
Pedro didn't get hit hard AT ALL until the 7th inning. He ran out of gas. No problem taking him out there. It was the right move. Of course if he came back, the same people bitching about Pedro being replaced would have bitched about Pedro being left in. The 8th was a weird inning, plain and simple. Feliz just misses a ground ball. Park and howard miss a bunt. Utley's error. A couple of walks including one with the bases loaded.
Momentum is only as good as the next day's starting pitcher. Phils got Lee. Dodgers have Koroda. Who has the momentum?
Marty, the onle FLIPPING out the most honestly is you! People are upset, Big freakin deal. The Phillies lost, oh well, the Series is Tied. Looks like YOU also need to chill.
Im outta hereeeeeeeeeeee it's friday night.
The phils are tied 1-1, we have lee and blanton the next two games in our ballpark, it's october we're still playing, we are defending world champions, we don't have to troll on other teams blogs because our team sucks, life is pretty good.
Have a good night all and remember: We're bringing it back to philly!!!!!!!
Anyway, all you bitches out there, what TIME IS THE BRAVES PLAYOFF GAME???
Did Pedro ask to come out of the game? As I recall there were no baserunners for LA in the 7th – Why in the hell did Charlie all of a sudden think he had to manage? Pedro should have started the 8th with Chan Ho warming up. He probably would have continued with a 1-2-3 inning and probably a complete game shut-out. But Nooooooooooo – Charlie had to go F–k with Pedro's karma. If you've got enough confidence to start the guy why can't you leave him alone until he allows a base runner or two?? For some of you guys all-over Chase's ass the tie run would have scored on Thome's single even with the double play. Once this game was tied it was over! Give Charlie the Jeltz of the Year Award for this one. OK I feel better now!
If I would allow myself to believe that Chase purposely did that, I couldn't watch baseball anymore, that would ruin everything I love about this team. But I don't think it's beyond reason that he is not prepared properly for this series, and I think the rest of team knows why.
Phils gave this one to the Dodgers, L.A heading into Philly with some momentum as anything short of a shutout from Lee = massive anxiety. A shaky bullpen is a scary proposition.
I dont think he did it intentionaly either. BUT it looks so damn bad. And rest assured there have been rigged big time sporting events in this country. Its foolish to think there hasnt been. Besides 1918 sox I mean.
whatever the deal is I have my eye on him. He is a goat to me now
By the way Neil O donnell in that Super Bowl when he just threw passes to that larry brown guy/scrub. That was intentional.
Thats kind of known the NFL keeps thier crap secret. Like NBA and all thier players on roids. Its jsut swept aside like Jordans phony "suspension"
"Thome's single even with the double play."
Eyre gave that one up, not Park. Who's to say what Park could have mustered after a properly turned double play? It's baffling. Utley is too good to lapse like that twice.
Georgie — elaborate!
Utley is done as the 2nd basemen chuck knoblock. Head case in the making
One good thing: a game like this makes all players better. It was a great game. a thriller. Thank heavens we are not the Mets. or the Cardinals, or the Brewers. We are still World Champs and should enjoy it. It has been a great year and continues to be so. These nerve pills are wonderful except they leave my bowels a little loose. Oh well. GO PHILS
I wish Jimmy Rollins would learn to bunt. He misses 20-30 hits a year by not bunting. It brings the infield in. It gets him on base. His batting average and on-base-percentage climb. The guy shits as a leadoff hitter. Simply ineffective. Brett Butler — not as fast as Rollins — got about 30 hits a year by bunting.
Scott, you said a mouthful there-"Utley is too good to lapse like that twice." That's why I think there's more to it than "lapsing", but last season when I said he might be taking painkillers to get through an injury people jumped all over me, so I'd better not elaborate any more than I already have, but if you read my posts you'll get the drift.
"Utley is done as the 2nd basemen"? LOL. He screwed up, he gets the Jeltx, but thats insanity!
lol @ Gertie's loose bowels…
Georgie, you are astute. I hope you are wrong, but you do have a point.
Well, I suppose the Jeliz Award will go to either Utley or Chan Ho in this game but many of the posters are right. It would not be fair to criticize anyone player on the team for this loss. It was a team loss. The pitching did a good job holding the Dodgers to only two runs in their home ballpark. Had the Phillies offense scored only two more runs, what all happened in the 8th inning would not have mattered. The Dodgers were lucky with Blake's hit off of Feliz's glove and Martin's bunt which eluded Park and Howard. Happ did not get the calls on Ethier's walk. With another umpire, maybe Happ gets the calls and Ethier gets called out on strikes. You get games like this once in a while; some you are lucky enough to win and some you aren't. I am more concerned with the Phillies hitting, especially Rollins, Victorino and Werth, who the Dodgers have been holding down so far. Hopefully these guys will get going at home.
Looked to be more psychological than physiological, if you ask me. Rollins's toss last night was a little off-time, so at least he had somewhat of an excuse then. But today — it was all between his ears…
It IS possible to have a few bad weeks. This IS a VERY long season. It IS possible to play like crap for a few weeks, or longer and still be good. It is possible to call a player out, and still think they are quality. Chase Utley has not been playing well, but dont lose site of what he CAN and HAS done, and PROBABLY will do again.
Chase is going to risk $100 million to help someone make a few thousand bucks betting on a baseball game??? That suggestion is so impossibily idiotic it makes me fear for the future of humanity.
There really have only been two "impossibily idiotic" comments tonight. 1, Chase intentionally losing the game. and 2. "Utley is done as the 2nd basemen"
I agree with you Scott. Last night Rollin's throw caused Utley to land in an awkward position in regards to where he landed with his feet after he caught it and he had to throw to first from that off-balance position. Today it was a tailor made double play and Utley just blew it. Kind of wonder if that cold and wet weather in Colorado has caused Utley some trouble with that surgically repaired hip and it is giving him trouble on the pivot when he throws trying to make the DP.
Again so no NFL NBA or MLB game has ever been fixed? Is you say no thats idiotic. I dont think its intentional. I do see the steve howe head case thing there was another play thursday night.
Something is off here.
"DODGERS AVERT SWEEP"-should be tomorrow's headline, cause that's all that happened here today…
No one is saying No Professionaly sports game wasnt fixed, but in the NLCS? I HIGHLY doubt that ANY player especially Utley would tank something like that on purpose. Hes sucking right now. PERIOD.
The people on this site that call themselves fans are getting absolutely ridiculous & pathetic.
"DODGERS AVERT SWEEP"-should be tomorrow's headline, cause that's all that happened here today…
One of the best quotes of the day.
A as always just having fun.
Utley strikes me as a Rose type who wouldnt throw a game. But
If he was throwing the hames wouldnt it look just like what happened tonight?
I will never understand why people get mad at other people on line. Its a crappy opinion. Who cares. Its BS. Having some fun after a crappy bad loss that was solely in my opinion on Chase Utley.
At least I cant be called racist. Unless I am black lol
If I see somebody suggest that Bruntlett should replace Utley at second for the rest of the series then I will know that there no longer is any hope for the world.
NO Free Pass, No other explanation IMO, he is simply playing like crap. Still doesnt mean we should get rid of him, still doesnt mean he will play like that the rest of the season. Either way, we are complaining about this in OCTOBER. We are only 1 of 2 teams left in the NL left to complain, is it really THAT bad? NO. We are ALL spoiled rotten now because of last year, and we all want a repeat, but repeat or not, we had had ALOT of great things to "argue" about. I would take a 1-1 series in the NLCS ANY DAY compared to maybe 2000, when the Phillies were 65-97 (looked the the Mets or 2009) and 30 games back, not to mention 126 days in First Place this season!
Wow Chase Utley absolutely blew this one… no excuses.
We could all be mets fans then life would really suck
I wont be around sunday to post . But I will be putting stars in my score sheet for all suspicious plays! I am also suspecting J roll has been gotten too! Possibly madson. I am on the look out. Take care phillies fans.
As awesome as it would've been to take both from LA, this was somewhat of an expected result. This is going to be a hard fought series, one I would not be terribly surprised to go 7 games. Whats most frustrating to me is Rollins play. He needs to start getting on base somehow, as we all know how important he is. But Brian of CO is dead on, to be cheering for a team that is a DEFENDING CHAMPION is brand new to me. Bill Simmons once said that once your team wins a championship, you give them a 5 year leeway where you don't complain about anything. Some of the people on here would be wise to take that advice.
I cannot believe people are actually suggesting that Chase is intentionally throwing these games or should be replaced. This is the same Chase who threw out the go ahead run at home plate in the WS game 5 with amazing defense. The same Chase that stopped the Dodger's momentum in game 4 of the 2008 NLCS with an amazing unassisted diving double play. The guy who won game 3 of the NLDS for us this year by hustling to first base and who helped tie game 4 by working out a walk and running like a fiend to score from first on the Howard double.
He was completely off today and deserves blame for the loss (or at least creating the tie), but to say he threw it on purpose is RIDICULOUS.
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- Radical strategic change in high technology new ventures: a natural event?
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- Benjamin, Eyal; Gimmon, Eli; Katzenstein, Liora
- Abstract
- New venture strategy strongly affects its performance and is subject to many changes following the high levels of uncertainty as well as changes in business environment. In some cases incremental changes do not generate anticipated performance, and radical change in strategy occur. These quantum leaps, a phenomenon described in botany as punctuated equilibrium, contradict common incremental Darwinian model of new venture strategy formation. Punctuated Equilibrium was recognized in organizational behavior as well. Yet its mechanisms are still unclear. Inspired by recent explorations in botany, we explore the relationships and mechanisms initiating radical strategic change in high technology new ventures.
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- Conference paper
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- Proceedings of Regional Frontiers of Entrepreneurship Research 2009: 6th International Australian Graduate School of Entrepreneurship (AGSE) Entrepreneurship Research Exchange, Adelaide, South Australia, Australia, 03-06 February 2009 / L. Murray Gillin (ed.), pp. 1189-1203
- Publication year
- 2009
- FOR Code(s)
- 150304 Entrepreneurship
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Because news doesn't stop for parades:
The Daily News' Paul Hagen is reporting Pat Burrell rejected a two-year, $22 million deal proposed by the Phillies. Burrell led the parade convoy this afternoon, supposedly late, but eerily separating himself from the club as if he was on his way out.
It sure looks that way.
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The Phillies offered him a fair deal, he rejected, time to move on and take a stab at…. hmmmm….. boy there's not exactly a lot of great options out there that could actually handle playing in Philly.
hmm, how much does he want?
The Rockies are trying to trade away Matt Holliday… would the Phils give away half the farm for him?
30 HRs and 90RBI is quite a lot of production to let walk away for a million or two.
that was a lowball offer, if their going to offer him a 2 year deal the money will need to be right and that's below what market value would be. The rumor is a he's looking for a 4 year deal but the Phils don't want to go past 2, either way if this rumor is true it's a clear indication the Phils aren't serious about bringing him.
Great shame, it's likely he'll sign with a team that will only net the minimum type A compensation. Do you really want Holliday for a few months with little hope of re-signing him?
I personally like pat but its time to move on. Twelve million a year is more than fair for a guy who can't run or play good defense. I critizied the phillies more than most, but if it true then they are right. They can get bradley for less than burrell and he is good, if charlie can control him,how many teams want to lose two first round choices to sign him. He is thirty one and has made close to 70 million in his career, how much do these guys need. I hope someday the baseball owners stop the guaranteed contracts. It is ruining the game make a mistake and if you aren't the yankess or boston, or chicago you suffer, if you sign a player and he doen't care to play you are dead for the life of the contract. I would like to see the player have to make team to get there money.
sorry meant eleven million.
Didn't we offer him a contract like this a couple months ago and he turned it down?I think we should offer him 3 years on the contract and he'd prolly accept it.
Yeah that was a low offer. were going to need that money to lock up Victorino/Hamels.
If you offer him third year option okay not guanteed. All the love pat has for the city . Why wouldn't he take 2 years with a third year option if he love us so much.
We have the money to keep Burrell and address our restricted FA's if we're conservative in the open market, remember this year were finally free of the Thome deal plus the contracts for Helms and Gordon and anything we were paying towards Abreu.
I'd go 3 years 39 million for the guy, but nothing more. It's a shame, these guys are always saying that "I'd really like to stay in Philly", but when it comes down to it, they just want the extra million like everyone else. Really Pat? You'd like to go to the Yankees for an extra 2 a year, or stay here for a chance for another Parade? I just don't get these guys.
He might take a 2 year plus options with decent buy-out deal but would you take the offer he's reporteddly just had? I hope the article was referring to the offer earlier in the year.
He'd take 3/39 in a heartbeat if it's on the table.
I wonder if there's going to be back and forth between the Phils and Burrell this offseason, or if it's just going to be a one and done offer type scenario.
I will say that as much as I hate Burrell's overall inconsistancy and his lack of speed/defense, he does seem to command a lot of respect around the club. That's worth 2 million or so in itself, so maybe 13-14 a year isn't totally out of the question. Although giving him that much may hamper their ability to lock up other players. Should be an interesting offseason – hope they don't blow it, because I really do think we can go back to the series next year.
burrell is not worth more than chase or jimmy .13 milliom is too much foa a streaker hitter who can't play defense or run.
Burrell will end up on the Dodgers when they don't resign Manny.
I didn't see it, but from where my Dad was standing during the parade, he said fans were chanting at Burrell, "2 more years, 2 more years….". Burrell smiled, and raised 3 fingers in response.
Maybe I am just drunk on this whole team right now, but I agree with the earlier Matt. 3 years, 39 million-ish sounds right.
Never have really cared for Pat.So if he leaves the Phillies no biggie.I always thought Pat was more about himself than anything else.
I love Pat and all. I mean it with all my heart. But that deal is pretty good, in my opinion. I thought he would've taken this deal…. ugh
I have to agree with Matt here…..Pat Burrell is putting his nose up at an offer that is probably more than what he's worth. He has been really inconsistent especially during the post season. At times he seems like the black sheep of the team, only because he puts himself in that position. He tends to isolate himself from the team at times if anyone takes notice and observes these things at all. He seems a little full of himself. Give the $$$ to Rollins, Victorino, Utley, Hamels, or get Manny on our team. Now there's a good lookin' dream team that knows how to play ball good and do it w/teamwork!!
My hubby has actually met Cole Hamels personally at his Modell's store where he works. He said Hamels is a real nice, down- to-earth kind of guy. Kinda like a "Cole the Plumber" if you may. (LOL) On the other hand, I've had other people that I know say that Pat Burrell seems kind of stuck up when it comes to the fans. The fans are your biggest support system, esp. the Philly [area] fans!!! So if he doesn't like us or the money that they're offering him, then go….you are not irreplaceable!
I have a hunch Pat will end up taking the offer or the Phils will up it to 3 years…Pats not going to get much better in the free agent market.
I cant believe there's actually people here who use the word "teamwork" when talking about Manny…
On the other hand, this "MONICA S" sounds like someone who has a grudge against Pat just because he turned down her sloshy advances at the Irish Pub.
What do you guys think will happen to Adam Eaton,seriouslly?You think anyone will take him if we offer to pay half his salary?
If Pat rejects – so be it. I personally think the money is better spent on Cole Hamels and the others. I think Goldson (I think that is his name, he wears #40) will be good if he can get hitting. That guy is fast and young. They should work on developing him and see how he does in Spring Training. The only flaw I see on him so far is that he was swinging kind of early – but again – he is young… Just a thought. It would bring up talent and give us money to pay our Champs or as Chase says our world ******* champs; that is still funny.
That's a below market offer for Pat, but I think it reflects the Phillies interest. If they can get him at a discoun, great. If not, they'll look elsewhere.
Also, it's funny that fans booed him for being overpaid when he was making a little over 8 million per year and now he'll be making 12. I wish him the best though.
After Brett Myers I am hesitant to "write someone off" but unlike Myers, Eaton fought going to the minor leagues. In addition, Eaton posted poor numbers there, so I would consider releasing him. Again, I think we have a winning formula, so we should stick with what we have, and let Burrell go if he chooses… Just my worthless opinion
Just a few points –
1. Golson isn't ready, and I'm not sure he'll ever be the type of player that can be an every day player. Although he's young, Golson has played A LOT of baseball for the Phils organization. He strikes out a ton, but doesn't have much power. While he's still young enough to develop some more, I'm not expecting a lot. He looks like he's destined to become a #4 / #5 OF in the majors. He still has pretty good value, and I wouldn't hesitate to move him. In fact, Slaydon would be a better player for the Phils next year than Golson.
2. Like some people have mentioned before, I think Milton Bradley could be had for cheap, and would actually be a better player than Burrell. The whole key to him would be to keep him focused, which I think he will be if he plays for a winning team.
3. I can't see Adam Eaton every pitching in a Phils uniform, at any level, ever again. They are speaking values when they don't include him in any of the festivities. Hell, they even gave Andy Tracy a ride around the park yesterday. I think they'll end up moving him in a Wes Helms "we'll pay 80% of your salary" type move.
If Pat really wants to play in Philly so bad, *and* if he has the capacity to be honest with himself, he should be a mensch and take the deal. He's 32, his fielding and running are iffy, so really what it amounts to is they're willing to pay him for his hitting and because a lot of people want him to stay.
I like Pat and would wish him to stay, but IMO he's already overpaid. So if he's going to get greedy, then I think we should–however reluctantly–let him walk.
I am a huge fan of Burrell. I've followed him from his early years through today! From the lowest of lows to producing the hit that would be driven in to win the World Series! I think it is only fair that he test the waters to see how much he is worth. If he remains a Phillie, I will be thrilled. Should he end up on another team, I shall simply thank him, as I have already for showing up for this city and representing the team so well. I will always be a Burrell fan. He helped get this city a championship!
I don't know how some people are saying that Pat is stuck up. I've heard so many stories of people that have said they met him at bars and he'd buy them a beer if they approached him and said you're Pat Burrell. He has really become a Philadelphian in my opinion, but like most baseball players it is about money. The Phillies should offer him 3 years. Don't low ball him on this.
Milton Bradley coming on the cheap was a funny joke there Matt… He'll be wise to re-sign with Texas and when it comes down to it his a bad make-up player who can hit but he's not a team guy and he's looking to cash in.
When it comes down to it Burrell's likely to be our best option, if he signs with a bottom 15 team we're likely to be going to long way round to get a same for same guy for the similar terms and loosing a first round pick without one coming back in from Burrell. I really think it's important to focus on identity in the off-season, the teams that have re-tooled after championships have seemed to really struggle for the next couple of years.
It'll be a miracle to Eaton who has absolutely no value to anyone past a minor league deal unless someone is really willing to take a reach but they know he'll be free agent come roster cuts.
If both sides are equally honest when they say they want to be back then a three year deal would probably get it done considering its the middle ground. Pat seems to be so popular in the club house that I would hate for that chemistry to be disrupted even if we could get a trade done for Holliday.
Sound like a fair deal to me.. It is less that his previous deal, but then again he wasn't worth what he got in his previous deal. I wouldn't give a guy who shows up for 1/3 of a season any more than 2-3 years, especially when he has never been able to run.
Burrell is a defensive liability, he's consistently inconsistent, slow, and he still strikes out a lot. We can't just give him a big deal because he was there when we won a world series, we cannot let our emotions decide what we should do here.
Have to look at the alternatives here which is pretty much Pat, Dunn, Ibanez and Garret Anderson as we should probably rule out Manny and Giles who look to be the only unrestricted corner outfielders.
Pat may not be the best of the bunch but Dunn will get his long-term deal somewhere and Ibanez will net a decent deal at the age of 36, Anderson wouldn't likely fit the profile so we're back at Burrell for somewhere around the $12-14m mark depending on years. It's a tough call but is Werth in left and Jenkins in right what we want, if we think Golson's our everyday centrefielder with Vic in right then I look to the Cubs and Pie and feel uneasy.
Barring a deal I don't see a better solution than at least seeing if an over market value 2 or fair 3 year deal could be done.
I'm probably in the minority, but I'm very uneasy with Werth as an everyday player. I would like to see him in a soft platoon against tough righties.
Does anyone here think Dobbs could possibly play LF on a regular basis? I realize that it would have to be some sort of platoon. This option though is only viable if they spend the money that they save on Burrell by locking up some of their key guys (Hamels, Victorino, etc)
Dobbs only had 9 ABs vs. LHP all year. So he's a bench player and spot starter for Feliz at 3B. It'll be interesting to see where the Phils go for a LF this offseason.
Matt you were making sense until you brought up a double a twenty seven year old. Non prospect named slayden. bradley under charlie is a great replacement . He gives you defense and offense with speed. but can charlie control him is the question. if he can this guy plus a another starter like sheets or a third basemen makes us stronger.
Matt you are not alone, Werth scares me he doesn't hit right hand pitchers. and jenkins gives you bad arm, no speed and low offense numbers. Michael Taylor is two years away so we might need to play werth and jenkins
MikeMike –
My only point that I was trying to make is between Golson and Slaydon, I would rather have Slaydon on the big club next year. Truth is, neither one of them is ready.
Misspelled Slayden's name in my last post, but to continue my point, I think Slayden could be another Jason Michaels – a 5th OF in the major leagues.
Just checking in on this issue with Burrell…….IMO……. 3 yrs/35-40 mil…….he rejects that, then let him walk . We can't get caught up in some money game with the guy. Plain and simple.
Pat Burrell is the best, and only option here in left, yeah he is slow and can't run, but if it wasn't raining the on Monday night BJ Upton doesn't score, Pat can play the field, how many errors did he have all year, I remember two, one in the regular season and one in the post season, and if Pat wasn't hitting before the All- Star Break, when Howard was in a slump, the Phils wouldn't be the World Series champs, we would have been looking up at the Mets, Marlins and Braves.
Adam Dunn, is more of a defesive liabilty then Pat.
Milton Bradely, is a bigger head case, as bigger anger problems and more egotistically then Pat.
Manny is more immature then Pat, he beats up 64 year old Travel Secs. because he couldn't get him any more tickets more his boys to watch his acting job for Boston.
Greg Golson, TJ Bohn, Chris Snelling none of these three are ready for the Majors.
Matt Holliday , the Rockies would want Carrassco, Marson, Donald, Golson, hell maybe either the whole Lehigh Valley, and Reading teams for him.
Pat should get a fair deal, 3 yrs about 36 million from the Phillies Front Office, and they have the money to spend I noticed no one mentioned two seasons of three million plus through the gates at the Bank plus concession and plus all of the Post-Season money, they have the money to spend David Montgomery needs to get the other owners to blow the dust off of their safes.
I see your points, but I respectfully PARTIALLY disagree on Golson (I spelled it wrong before). I do agree he is not ready. No argument there. I do believe though he has a lot of potential if he can make contact better. I think power is not needed (it only helps) for this ball club; but if he can make contact, with his speed he really can get on base. You may be right, he may never get to this point, and I am speaking IF he gets to this point.
We agree on Milton Bradley. I have seen him play; it comes down to asking price. We also agree on Eaton.
I also disagree about Werth. I think he is a good everyday player, but I will admit he is inconsistent. When he is hot though, he can hit lefties or righties. I think the lineup worked best with Victorino in the 2-spot. Werth just seemed to do better in the 7-hole.
I also think they need to lock up Hamels, Victorino, Howard (I forget when his contract expires), and yes – Kendrick. I may be in the minority here as well, but I think that trades and free agency actually hurts teams. I am all for locking players into teams – as it builds growth. Look at the 1980 team – they started building the core in 1972; and acquired as needed. Just my opinion… That will never happen.
I am not close-minded on this, I can be convinced differently if I am missing a point.
Point of Information for everyone, I just did some math not inculding what Matt Stairs will make next season, and what they add with Castro in Toronto now.
With the Thome money freed up, Helms money freed and subtracting Gordon and Tagachi and Kris Benson's money. I figured roughly around 15,725,000 dollars free, off the books for next season.
Did some research on Cot's minus a million from that total the Phillies have 14,725,000 of freed up money from books, plus profits from this past season.
I just read on Phillies.com that Burrell DOES want to return, not sure how accurate this is
Phillies Phan SC –
You make great points. Maybe Werth just needs a season of being the starter under his belt. Let's see what improvements he can make in the offseason.
It sounds great to bring back the team completely as is, but the reality is that it is just not possible if we intend on keeping this core (Utley, Howard, Hamels, Lidge, Madsen, Rollins, Victorino, Romero, Myers, and even Kendrick and Happ) together for a substantial length of time.
Burrell's numbers won't be a breeze to replace, but he is essentially a 7-inning feast or famine player who, if he's not on a tear, can actually be a liability at the plate for long stretches. My opinion is that he's had his time here and now it's time to move forward. The $11-13 million it would cost to keep him can be spent much more wisely.
I agree with Phillies Fan SC – keep building from within. Take a lesson from the '90's Yankees – they won with a homegrown core, then spent crazy money on big players and haven't won a thing since.
Matt – that is good; I didn't even think about that part – that being his first season as a starter. It could be some "adjustments". He was streaky like Burrell – actually in retrospect the whole team was streaky.
Do you think Junior will re-sign Jamie Moyer though? All I hear is rumor…
mjkvol –
I hate doing things the Yankees do, LOL but I am all about using home grown talent. The Rays did it and it worked, the Yanks did it and it worked. The Mets spent all this money on people and you see where it got them – as did the Yankees in the 2000s. So I am all for building the team from within.
Heck, even if these guys move on, start building for a WS Championship in 2012-2013 so we have a contingency plan, like the Red Sox in 2004 and 2007.
The homegrown thing would be to hold onto Burrell, there is no heir apparent on the farm.
If we can't get a good young OF then look at the minor league prospects and start grooming. Is Nick Markakis locked up with Orioles long term? Down here in Richmond, Va we get a lot of Orioles games and Markakis is a top notch every day player. Doesn't cry about being hurt like a JD Drew. I also think Atlanta's Francouer has a lot of potential but he's a hometown Atlanta boy.
I'd rather see the Phils not go for an older guy who may not have much left. We might as well stay with Burrell. Make Burrell a fair offer and see how it plays out.
Someone else we should keep an eye on is Moyer. This season/post season has definitely and obviously proved to be a milestone in his career, but does that also mean he might spontaneously decide to leave out on top sometime in the near future? Or will he stick around for a little while, disregarding that he's getting up in his age for this sport?
Miss P. Moyer is sticking around. He said he wants to pitch till he's 50. He said he wants to win another World Series with this team. He will be back and will continue to pitch until he doesn't think his body can take it anymore.
Besides Moyer has the Pitching Rubber *LOL*
You have to remember while Burrell was streaky his RBI totals would have been much better. When he carried the team in the beginning of the season, Rollins was hurt and Howard was in a major slump while Pat batted behind him. The Phils should offer him a fair deal even if it means giving him an extra year. Some people say he stays to himself but every game I seen he was standing near the railing cheering his team on and he was the first to congratulate a team mate when they returned to the dugout.
This talk about Manny and Bradley, please. They would blow up any team they are on, we won because of a team concept. Manny is all about himself and there's a reason Bradley has been with about 10 teams! Bring back Pat!!


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A slow economic recovery and budget challenges have dominated the discussion in the Statehouse, distracting lawmakers from other issues, including environmental protections, Shupe said.
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