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The city previously did not have a fee established for the inspection.
In another resolution the council also raised the prices for several other service items including raising fees for meter and tap instillation, gas fusion and sewage disposal.
The fees were raised because it was costing the city more to provide the services than they were making. With the higher fees the city will make a small profit.
The fees for the meter and tap instillation will very depending on the size of the line than is being put in.
The board also heard a presentation from LNV engineer, Eric Villareal, on the recent bid that was put out for street maintenance projects.
Villareal told the board that he had received three bids for the project with the lowest being from J. Carroll Weaver out of Sinton for more than $150,000 less than the other two bidders.
The total amount of the bid is $371,428.12 and includes work on Houston Street, Bowie Street, Frio Street, Burleson, Leona, Lamar, Zapata, Brazos and Ross. The work will vary by street with some of the more major repairs being one course surface treatment and level up.
"Does that raise a red flag to you guys?" Council member Chuck Pawelek asked the council about the price being so much less than the other bidders.
"The cost doesn't raise a red flag for me because I have worked with them before and they have done a good job," Villareal assured the board.
He also told the board with the money they saved they could hire an on site construction observer (inspector) to check the work of J. Carroll Weaver if that would ease their minds.
The board agreed that they wanted Villareal to get a quote for a full time inspector.
"Off the top of my head it would be about $6,000," Villareal said.
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City Manager Sandra Martinez said the mid-March to early April at the latest and will take no longer than 60 days.
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And again, if the bible is nothing more than thoughts, how can the scientific facts and prophecies in them stand up? Matter of fact, answer against these in a new post.
The very fact that the bible and all other religious texts have remained stagnant in superstition and stupidity is the reason why most people of faith have lower I.Q's.
Religion let's not forget..let's take the bible for example...states it is a sin to eat shellfish, the children should be stoned for cursing at their parents, that it is justifiable to kill someone who prays to a different GOD, that slaves should be submissive to their masters, wives to their husbands, rape is only a crime if shes not married, that she should be ostracized when she gets her period.
If I had to pick a book to give to a child about morality..your vile holy books I'd instruct them were toilet paper and give them something more nurturing.
But getting back to science. What makes science superior is because it does update, and is adaptable. Human knowledge increases with study, time, debate, experimentation, discovery, research, evidence. The fact that science can be wrong, and CORRECTED later on is it's power and beauty. Sure can be wrong, but it has to be tested, proven, confirmed, re-confirmed. And guess what...mistakes are corrected. Darwin was wrong about heredity because he couldn't have possibly had knowledge of genetics. Which we discovered.
You cant change one word, syllable, or paragraph in any holy book. Holy books are nothing more than the thoughts
of early primitive peoples, trying to explain concepts intellectually far beyond their capabilities.
The bible hasn't even been updated to state that the earth revolves around the sun..it still states the earth is the center of the universe. Still states the earth was created in 7 days...never mind the 4 plus billions years. Has no mention of Cain's wife I might add..still to this day.
Eventually it is my hope one day religion, is looked at no differently that a children's magic show.
And again, if the bible is nothing more than thoughts, how can the scientific facts and prophecies in them stand up? Matter of fact, answer against these in a new post.
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See the first answer for it? Fits what the bible says just fine. See the next answer? Fits what you say. So when I said the faith you speak of is blind faith, then that fits category 2. But the actual faith you live, is based on category 1.
- Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
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- Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
- often Faith Christianity. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
- The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.
- A set of principles or beliefs.
If the bible is only mans thoughts and a fairy tale, how can such sound reasonings such as these come about?
Reasons to Trust the Bible
1. Historical Soundness
It would be hard to trust a book that is found to contain inaccuracies. Imagine reading a modern history book that dated the second world war to the 1800s or that called the president of the United States a king. Would such inaccuracies not raise questions in your mind about the overall reliability of the book?
NO ONE has ever successfully challenged the historical accuracy of the Bible. It refers to real people and real events.
People. Bible critics questioned the existence of Pontius Pilate, the Roman governor of Judea who handed Jesus over to be impaled. (Matthew 27:1-26) Evidence that Pilate was once ruler of Judea is etched on a stone [1] discovered at the Mediterranean seaport city of Caesarea in 1961.
Before 1993, there was no proof outside the Bible to support the historicity of David, the brave young shepherd who later became king of Israel. That year, however, archaeologists uncovered in northern Israel a basalt stone [2], dated to the ninth century B.C.E., that experts say bears the words House of David and king of Israel.
Events. Until recently, many scholars doubted the accuracy of the Bibles account of the nation of Edom battling with Israel in the time of David. (2 Samuel 8:13, 14) Edom, they argued, was a simple pastoral society at the time and did not become sufficiently organized or have the might to threaten Israel until much later. However, recent excavations indicate that Edom was a complex society centuries earlier [than previously thought], as reflected in the Bible, states an article in the journal Biblical Archaeology Review.
Proper titles. There were many rulers on the world stage during the 16 centuries that the Bible was being written. When the Bible refers to a ruler, it always uses the proper title. For example, it correctly refers to Herod Antipas as district ruler and Gallio as proconsul. (Luke 3:1; Acts 18:12) Ezra 5:6 refers to Tattenai, the governor of the Persian province beyond the River, the Euphrates River. A coin produced in the fourth century B.C.E. contains a similar description, identifying the Persian governor Mazaeus as ruler of the province Beyond the River.
Accuracy in seemingly minor details is no small matter. If we can trust the Bible writers in even small details, should that not bolster our confidence in the other things they wrote?
Reasons to Trust the Bible
2. Candor and Honesty
Honesty provides the foundation for trust. A man who has a reputation for honesty may win your trust, but if he lies to you even once, he may lose it.
THE Bible writers were honest men who wrote with openness of heart. Their candor gives their writing the clear ring of truth.
Mistakes and shortcomings. The Bible writers openly admitted their own failures and weaknesses. Moses told of a mistake he made that cost him dearly. (Numbers 20:7-13) Asaph explained that for a time he found himself envying the prosperous life of the wicked. (Psalm 73:1-14) Jonah told of his disobedience and the bad attitude he initially had when God showed mercy to repentant sinners. (Jonah 1:1-3; 3:10; 4:1-3) Matthew freely related that he had abandoned Jesus on the night of Jesus arrest.Matthew 26:56.
The writers of the Hebrew Scriptures laid bare the repeated grumbling and rebellion of their own people. (2 Chronicles 36:15, 16) The writers spared no one, not even the rulers of their nation. (Ezekiel 34:1-10) With similar candor, the letters of the apostles reported the serious problems experienced by individual Christians, including responsible ones, as well as by some congregations in the first century C.E.1 Corinthians 1:10-13; 2 Timothy 2:16-18; 4:10.
Unflattering truth. The Bible writers did not try to gloss over what some might have viewed as embarrassing truth. The first-century Christians frankly acknowledged that they were not admired by the world around them but were looked upon as foolish and ignoble. (1 Corinthians 1:26-29) The writers noted that Jesus apostles were seen as unlettered and ordinary.Acts 4:13.
The Gospel writers did not color the facts in order to cast Jesus in a more favorable light. Rather, they reported honestly that he was born under humble circumstances into a working-class family, that he did not study at the prestigious schools of his day, and that the majority of his listeners rejected his message.Matthew 27:25; Luke 2:4-7; John 7:15.
Clearly, the Bible gives ample evidence that it is the product of honest writers. Does their honesty win your trust?
Reasons to Trust the Bible
3. Internal Harmony
Imagine asking 40 men from varied backgrounds to write a book, each writing a section. The writers live in a number of lands and do not all know one another. Some do not know what the others have written. Would you expect a book thus produced to be harmonious?
THE Bible is such a book. Written under even more unusual conditions than those described above, its internal harmony is nothing less than profound.
Unique circumstances. The Bible was written over a span of some 1,600 years, from 1513 B.C.E. to about 98 C.E. Many of the approximately 40 writers thus lived centuries apart. Their occupations were varied. Some were fishermen, others were shepherds or kings, and one was a physician.
A harmonious message. The Bible penmen developed one central theme: the vindication of Gods right to rule mankind and the fulfillment of his purpose by means of his heavenly Kingdom, a world government. That theme is introduced in Genesis, expanded on in the books that follow, and brought to a climax in Revelation.See What Is the Bible About? on page 19.
Agreement on details. The Bible writers agreed on even minute details, but often this harmony was clearly unintentional. Note an example. The Bible writer John tells us that when a large crowd came to hear Jesus, Jesus specifically asked Philip where to buy some loaves to feed the people. (John 6:1-5) In a parallel account, Luke says that this took place near the city of Bethsaida. Earlier in his book, John happened to have said that Philip was from Bethsaida. (Luke 9:10; John 1:44) So Jesus naturally addressed his question to one of the men who had lived nearby. The details agreebut with an obvious lack of intent to make them harmonious.
Reasonable differences. There are some differences between certain accounts, but should we not expect this? Suppose a group of people witnessed a crime. If each one mentioned the same details using the same words, would you not suspect collusion? Reasonably, the testimony of each would vary somewhat according to his particular angle of view. So it was with the Bible writers.
Consider an example. Did Jesus wear a purple garment on the day of his death, as Mark and John report? (Mark 15:17; John 19:2) Or was it scarlet, as Matthew says? (Matthew 27:28) Really, both can be correct. Purple has components of red in it. Depending on the observers angle of view, light reflection and background could have subdued certain hues, giving different casts to the garment.
The harmony of the Bible writers, including their unintentional consistency, further stamps their writings as trustworthy.
Reasons to Trust the Bible
4. Scientific Accuracy
Science has made great strides in modern times. As a result, old theories have given way to new ones. What was once accepted as fact may now be seen as myth. Science textbooks often need revision.
THE Bible is not a science textbook. Yet, when it comes to scientific matters, the Bible is noteworthy not only for what it says but also for what it does not say.
Free of unscientific views. Many mistaken beliefs gained wide acceptance in ancient times. Views about the earth ranged from the idea that it was flat to the notion that tangible substances or objects held it aloft. Long before science learned about the spread and prevention of disease, physicians employed some practices that were ineffective at best, lethal at worst. But not once in its more than 1,100 chapters does the Bible endorse any unscientific views or harmful practices.
Scientifically sound statements. Some 3,500 years ago, the Bible stated that the earth is hanging upon nothing. (Job 26:7) In the eighth century B.C.E., Isaiah clearly referred to the circle [or, sphere] of the earth. (Isaiah 40:22) A spherical earth held in empty space without any visible or physical means of supportdoes not that description sound remarkably modern?
Written about 1500 B.C.E., the Mosaic Law (found in the first five books of the Bible) contained sound laws regarding quarantining of the sick, treatment of dead bodies, and disposal of waste.Leviticus 13:1-5; Numbers 19:1-13; Deuteronomy 23:13, 14.
Partly as a result of turning powerful telescopes toward the heavens, scientists have concluded that the universe had a sudden birth. Not all scientists like the implications of this explanation. One professor noted: A universe that began seems to demand a first cause; for who could imagine such an effect without a sufficient cause? Yet, long before telescopes, the very first verse of the Bible plainly stated: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.Genesis 1:1.
Even though it is an ancient book and touches on many subjects, the Bible contains no scientific inaccuracies. Does not such a book merit, at the very least, our consideration?
Reasons to Trust the Bible
5. Fulfilled Prophecy
Imagine a weather forecaster who has a long record of being rightevery time. If he predicted rain, would you carry an umbrella?
THE Bible is filled with predictions, or prophecies. Its record, as documented by history, is clear. Bible prophecy is always right.
Distinguishing features. Bible prophecies are often specific and have been fulfilled down to the smallest of details. They usually involve matters of great importance and predict the opposite of what those living at the time of the writing might have been expecting.
An outstanding example. Strategically built astride the Euphrates River, ancient Babylon has been called the political, religious, and cultural centre of the ancient Orient. About 732 B.C.E., the prophet Isaiah penned an ominous prophecyBabylon would fall. Isaiah provided specifics: A leader named Cyrus would be the conqueror, the protective waters of the Euphrates would dry up, and the citys gates would not be shut. (Isaiah 44:2745:3) Some 200 years later, on October 5, 539 B.C.E., the prophecy was fulfilled in all its details. Greek historian Herodotus (fifth century B.C.E.) confirmed the manner of Babylons fall.
A bold detail. Isaiah made a further startling prediction regarding Babylon: She will never be inhabited. (Isaiah 13:19, 20) To predict permanent desolation for a sprawling city occupying a strategic location was bold indeed. You would normally expect that such a city would be rebuilt if ruined. Although Babylon lingered on for a while after its conquest, Isaiahs words eventually came true. Today the site of ancient Babylon is flat, hot, deserted and dusty, reports Smithsonian magazine.
It is awesome to contemplate the magnitude of Isaiahs prophecy. What he foretold would be the equivalent of predicting the exact manner in which a modern city, such as New York or London, would be destroyed 200 years from now and then emphatically stating that it would never again be inhabited. Of course, most remarkable is the fact that Isaiahs prophecy came true!
In this series of articles, we have considered some of the evidence that has convinced millions of people that the Bible is trustworthy. They therefore look to it as a reliable guide to direct their steps. Why not learn more about the Bible so that you can decide for yourself whether you too can trust it?
That's a lie, because there is ample proof that he does exist. And the bible being the main one.
Again, I have not seen you tackle any of the prophecies. Or disprove even one as not happening. How could these many different writers know this stuff would happen? Jesus existed. He also prophesied. How could those who listened to him have lived if not by paying attention to his words?
How could the bible have scientific fact that is 100 percent accurate? How would these people know this stuff? How come non of the facts in the bible have been proven wrong? What about historical soundness? How come no one can dispute that about the bible?
All I hear you say is lies, lies lies, yet all I am seeing in the bible is truth, truth , truth! And to make it worse, you cannot even dispute them! How can they be lies if the truths are indisputable?
Are you slow or just plain stupid? No one has proven the historical inaccuracies of the bible? The hell have you been..maybe if you read something other than that vile book of bull****, you would have learned something by now.
Historical soundness of the bible. I'm having a hard time beleiving your intellectually fit to be a functioning human being. I mean I havent heard of this kind of stupidity until I at great length had this discussion with a creationist. Then again I've heard a rant like this before...
Let's begin shall we; I'll even use your bible against itself. Just to prove what you don't know about it, I'll place the biblical phrases first.
"These are the birds you are to detest and not eat because they are detestable: the eagle, ... any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat (Leviticus 11:13-19)
You may eat any clean bird. But these you may not eat: the eagle, ... any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat. (Deuteronomy 14:11-17)"
A bat is not a bird. Note that this isn't just an arbitrary classification that the Western and European world has created. A bat is a bird as much as a ****er Spaniel is a cat.
The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; ... (Leviticus 11:6)
Rabbits do not chew their cud (bring up previously swallowed food to chew). They do eat their own dung.
All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you. There are, however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that you may eat: ... Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket, or grasshopper. (Leviticus 11:20-22)
Insects, as part of their definition, have six legs. (Spiders are arachnids, not insects.)
So the Lord God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, ... You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust..." (Genesis 3:14)
Snakes don't eat dirt.
There are some that only chew the cud or only have a split hoof, but you must not eat them. The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you. (Leviticus 11:4)
However, of those that chew the cud or that have a split hoof completely divided you may not eat the camel, the rabbit or the coney. [1] Although they chew the cud, they do not have a split hoof; they are ceremonially unclean for you. (Deuteronomy 14:7)
Camels have split hooves.
The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (Psalms 93:1)
The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (1 Chronicles 16:30)
He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (Psalms 104:5)
Joshua said to the LORD in the presence of Israel: "O sun, stand still over Gibeon, O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon. (Joshua 10:12)
The earth isn't stationary!
He will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth. (Isaiah 11:12)
After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, ... (Revelation 7:1)
Oh Lord, ... to you the nations will come from the ends of the earth... (Jeremiah 16:19)
And there before me stood a tree in the middle of the land. Its height was enormous. The tree grew large and strong and its top touched the sky; it was visible to the ends of the earth. (Daniel 4:10-11)
The earth is not flat, as once thought. It has no corners at all, and "ends of the earth" is not typically interpreted as from outer space. (Besides, what would be the ends? Why should the magnetic poles be "ends" as opposed to the axis of rotation?) And yes that's exactly how the idea got started that the EARTH was flat...from religion and it's masses of idiots.
A mute could talk after having the demon driven out (Matthew 9:32).
A "demon-possessed" man who was blind and mute is cured by Jesus (Matthew 12:22).
A demon caused seizures (epilepsy) in a boy (Matthew 17:14-18).
A group of spirits caused a man to be insane (Mark 5:1-13).
A spirit crippled a woman (Luke 13:11).
Diseases are not caused by demons, less now you want to dismiss psychology and biology as well.
Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up... (James 5:14-15).
Prayer does not cure sickness, or we would have no need for doctors.
By the way...
While not received very well by critics or the general public upon its initial release, the Bible has slowly developed a cult following over the years and is currently #13,582 on the Amazon.com bestseller list!
Keep using bible quotes and stories to prove nothing factual....take you and your fairy tales to Disney..they are into worlds that don't exist and imaginary friends.
But just cuz I can, I will briefly explain what you have missed concerning James 5:14,15.
That prayer was not speaking of actual physical healing, it speaks of spiritual healing. People can become spiritually sick, and begin to lack faith and such. So no, it does not concern physical healing at all. But I could see why you'd try to jump on that, because with your obvious lack of understanding, this would appear to tilt the debate your way. But no. Wrong again.
I ask you though, how is it that the book of Daniel can prophesy about Alexander the great and his four general who eventually took over his army after he died, BEFORE he was born? You care to discuss that? How about 66-70 ce in Jerusalem? Care to discuss why all those that fled in 66 ce fled in the first place? How did they know what sign to look for? What about Cyrus the persian? Nah, don't wanna dispute that eh?
I dont think you realized that some things you said were actually agreeing with me but ill get on to that later.
1) You started out going against the scientist saying that they have religion, but i said that they were Atheist and Agnostic..having the same views of you in most ways and not being religious scientist. So whatever their conclusion came out to be is a researched Atheist conclusion, you can't beat around it...these men are more knowledable then me and you and they have looked into the matter so much that there conclusion came to be a Creator. Now you also say that it doesnt mean they are saying "God" did it, one of the men i named sayed in a quote if you read it said "This traces that every living thing has been found from a product of forces they cannot discover, that there are or what i call, Supernatural forces at work which is a scientifically proven fact. And that the Biblical view seems to be the right view.". And i did name some names those are higly regarded Astromoers and Scientist so to deny their claims is basically a biased action. That quote you read was from Agnostic Astronomer Rober Jastrow. So that quote goes against your argument that they didnt say God did it...because the Biblical view means God did it. Also Robert Geisure who i quoted said "Every beginning must have had a Beginner" this goes against Evolution and every other Athiest claim and "Beginner" means a supernatural force or God. Even Einstein proved the Beginning of the Universe with his Theory of Relativity. We have names right there Robert Jastrow, Robert Geisure and even Einstein and later i talk about Atheist Anthony Kenny's statement.
2)Then you argued against the reversal of time. I said it traces back to Nothing, you said a point of inifite density. Ok what was in that point? Nothing was when you trace everything back the Atheist view is that matter came from Nothing by Nothing just like Atheist Anthony Kenny said. Now as i said simply that the Athiest view: is that No one created something out of nothing, and the Theist view: is that Someone created something out of nothing. Which sounds more likely to have made the universe and earth? No one or Someone? when you trace it back, something was created and the answer is who, because jsut like Atheist Rober Geisure said "every beginning has a beginner."
3) You then argued the 2nd law of thermodynamics, you wound up agreeing with me that matter will likely end in chaos because thats what the 2nd law states. You do know that the Biblical view has the world ending in chaos. You also said that this Law defies what we see on Earth becoming more organized. Nothing is becoming organized it's the exact opposite! You can see gobal warming destroying glatiers in the Artic...scientist say that these will cause the end of the world eventually in millions of years...i dont beleive it will be that long but it still has the world ending in chaos. Hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, tsunamis, every natural disaster is becoming more frequent every year. Scientist have made many claims of the disorder of the energy of the universe using the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Think about it, if the universe is billions of years old how would all that energy still be here and not in 100% disorder with the universe being destroyed right now? This is were Atheist views dont agree with the law of Thermodynamics. Because if there was NO Beginning...we wouldnt be here discussing this because the universe would have ended a long time ago. The universe is an example of a dying flashlight. It has only a finite amount of energy this means there is an ending to the universe which proves there is a begining and that an Inifinte is impossilbe because the 2nd Law goes against that claim.
4) Your "whipping wind in a warehosue making a jet" example goes against the Atheist View not the Theistic view. The Atheist view is that a Big Bang "just happened". The Atheist view is that all of a sudden Nothing became something. And the odds of that happening are as if a whipping wind blew around jet parts to make a perfect boeing 747. The Theistic view is there was a Beginner and then he created the Heavens and the Earth,then water then land etc...then created the Human from the Earth. This is not a random event such as the Big Bang and the Atheist view going from Nothing to all of a sudden something, you just contradicted yourself.
5) Infinfite time is impossible...as i said there was a beginning because if there wasnt a beginning then today would never be here. Your saying that the Universe started with as an infinite??? How does that make sense? And there is NO INIFINITE TIME becuase scientist go against that claim because the 2nd law of thermodyanmics goes against the inifinte time possibility. If the universe is in chaos, it will end, if it can end, it must of began, thus proving the Universe has a beginning. Think about it.
From there we can beleive that there must have been a Beginner and that the quotes from the Atheists and Agnostics i mentioned support that claim.
One new things i wanted to throw in Knickfan4realz:
1)You did not answer my question from my previous post...If there is no God why is their something rather than nothing at all?
Note: if you say that something has always been here, then the 5 reasons for the Universe having a Beginning disproves that.
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Alright, Knicksfan4lyfe I'll indulge you since you like to keep brining up the issue with Alexander the Great. Let's examine that...and I'm just going to use biblical scripture to prove my point about it being false prophecy which seems to be where the conversation has taken us too at the moment. Fair enough I hope.
Ezekiel Chapter 13 verse 6
Ezekiel Chapter 14 verse 9
Ezekiel Chapter 26 verse 3
Ezekiel Chapter 29 verse 10
Ezekiel Chapter 29 verse 17
Ezekiel Chapter 30 verse 4
Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verse 20
All of that what you say about Alexander the Great was a false prophecy. Nebuchadnezzar laid siege to Tyre from 585-573 B.C.E. but was unable to take the city. Tyre was conquered in 332 B.C.E. by Alexander but at no time was the city destroyed. It exists to this day. According to the false prophecy found in Ezekiel, Nebuchadnezzar was supposed to completely destroy Tyre, it was never to be rebuilt again, but to remain an eternal ruin, and the King was supposed to get much wealth and loot from the city, making it worth his while.
Another false prophecy follows in Ezekiel. Nebuchadnezzar did not conquer Tyre, the prophet admits, and neither did he make a thin dime from the attempt.
Therefore, the prophet proceeds to make another false prophecy, this time proclaiming destruction of Egypt at the King's hands, as a sort of consolation prize for not looting Tyre as was prophesied previously. This looting of Egypt at the hands of Nebuchadnezzar never happened either. The prophet stated that the King would make such a ruin of Egypt that no one would live there for forty years'. This never happened. It is another false prophesy attributed to the prophet after the prophet had just previously made a false prophecy (one false prophecy after another).
What actually happened...AND THIS IS IMPORTANT... is that Nebuchadnezzar attacked Egypt twice, once in 588 and again in 568 and was luckless both times.
The prophet THEN admits that Nebuchadnezzar was luckless in his campaign against Tyre, and contrary to what was prophesied, did not loot Tyre. He then promised the ruin of Egypt and all its treasures, and this did not happen either.
All of the above is just a long false prophecy, in that none of these things happened.
The Babylonians did not destroy Egypt, the Nile never dried up, there was never a time when Egypt was desolate for forty years, no exile and return of the Egyptians, and no time when there was not a prince over Egypt, among the other things mentioned.
By editing these false prophecies into the manuscript the scribes effectively discredited the prophet Ezekiel. After making even his first false prophecy Ezekiel was through as a prophet in Israel, according to Deuteronomy. By pressing on and making a second false prophecy things were only made worse.
What looks even worse than this statement from Deuteronomy is the following statement, from the book of Ezekiel itself. According to Deuteronomy, Ezekiel should have been killed after making that false prophecy about Tyre, and, ironically, Ezekiel concurs.
So then, according to the book of Ezekiel, if a prophet makes a false prophecy then not only should the prophet be killed, but the person who listens to that prophet as well. Given that the book of Ezekiel is in the canon, and many people insist that the Bible is 'infallible' this would mean that we would have to kill hundreds of millions of church goers, as well as stoning Ezekiel to death.
Furthermore, according to Ezekiel, God was planning to destroy Ezekiel and that is why Ezekiel made that false prophecy about Tyre. Yahweh just wanted to get rid of that Ezekiel, once and for all, and thus deliberately deceived Ezekiel into making that first false prophecy.
Once again the prophet Ezekiel is damned by his own mouth for saying 'lying divinations' and then 'expecting God to fulfill the prophecy.' Even worse was then trying to 'daub the wall with whitewash' and cover over the crack. Making excuses about that false prophecy later, and trying to slap a coat of whitewash over the crack (the false prophecy concerning the looting and destruction of Tyre) by then offering Egypt to the Babylonians, for example, is condemned by Ezekiel's own mouth.
That excuse making and whitewashing of false prophecy makes God especially mad, according to Ezekiel. God would destroy the whitewashing prophets by making that cracked and crumbling wall of false prophecy come down on their heads, write them off, refuse to let them into the land, and utterly destroy them.
So when you consider the whole messy affair, here you can see the prophet Ezekiel being hoisted high on his own sword and judged by his own judgments. If it really was true that one single individual was responsible for this book, and it is not composed of variant sources, then it truly is the case that the book of Ezekiel is one of the sorriest excuses for a book of prophecy in the entire Bible.
Other false prophecies are as follows:
God says that if Adam eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then the day that he does so, he will die. But later Adam eats the forbidden fruit (3:6) and yet lives for another 930 years (5:5). 2:17...
God promises Abram and his descendants all of the land of Canaan. But both history and the bible (Acts 7:5 and Heb.11:13) show that God's promise to Abram was not fulfilled. 13:15, 15:18, 17:8, 28:13-14
"In the fourth generation they [Abraham's descendants] shall come hither again." But, if we count Abraham, then their return occurred after seven generations: Abraham, Isaac (Gen.21:1-3), Jacob (Gen.25:19-26), Levi (Gen.35:22-23), Kohath (Ex.6:16), Amramn (Ex.6:18), and Moses (Ex.6:20). 15:16
God says that the Israelites will destroy all of the peoples they encounter. But according to Joshua ( 15:63, 16:10, 17:12-13) and Judges (1:21, 27-36, 3:1-5) there were some people they just couldn't kill. 7:24
Now let's throw in some from the NT...
Matthew quotes Jeremiah 31:15, claiming that it was a prophecy of King Herod's alleged slaughter of the children in and around Bethlehem after the birth of Jesus. But this verse refers to the Babylonian captivity, as is clear by reading the next two verses (16 and 17), and, thus, has nothing to do with Herod's massacre. 2:17-18
Jesus says the gospel will be preached to all nations "and then shall the end come. Well according to Paul the gospel has been preached to everyone (Rom.10:18) yet the end hasn't come. 24:14
Jesus is a false prophet, since he predicts that the end of the world will come within the lifetimes of his disciples. The world of course didn't end then, and according to Ec.1:4 it never will end. 24:34
Jesus falsely prophesies that the high priest would see his second coming. 26:64
Mark claims that John the Baptist fulfilled the prophecy given in Malachi (3:1, 4:1, 5). But the Malachi prophecy says that God will send Elijah before "the great and dreadful day of the LORD" in which the world will be consumed by fire. Yet John the Baptist flatly denied that he was Elijah (Elias) in John 1:21 and the earth was not destroyed after John's appearance. 1:2
Verse 33 says that during Jesus' crucifixion, the soldiers didn't break his legs because he was already dead. Verse 36 claims that this fulfilled a prophecy: "Not a bone of him shall be broken." But there is no such prophecy. It is sometimes said that the prophecy appears in Ex.12:46, Num. 9:12 and Ps.34:20. This is not correct. Exodus 12:46 and Num.9:12 are not prophecies, they are commandments.
The Israelites are told not to break the bones of the Passover lamb, and this is all it is about. And Psalm 34:20 seems to refer to righteous people in general (see verse 19, where a plural is used), not to make a prophecy about a specific person. 19:33, 36
John believed that the things that he wrote about would happen soon, within his own lifetime. After nearly 2000 years, believers still believe that "the time is at hand" and that the events described in Revelation will "shortly come to pass." 1:1, 3
Do you really want keep going with me on this?
You also brought up the Book of Daniel specifically...let's talk about that moron.
The book of Daniel has become important to Christian theology because the gospel of Mark made constant reference to the book, calling Christ the son of man, and because Mark wrote an apocalypse borrowing the image of the Beast of Daniel's prophecy, which would appear again later in the Christian Apocalypse, the Book of Revelations.
In chapter 7 of the book, as in chapters 10 and 11, history is described up to the time of Maccabees. History is fine in Daniel until you reach the time of 2nd century, when suddenly the prophecies fall to pieces and become false (which is a pretty good indication of when the book was written). For example, in chapter 11, the historical description is accurate up to about 167 B.C.E.
Verses 40 to 45 are prophetic, and rather than referring to past events (accurately) the author takes a plunge into future prophecy. According to the prophecy Ptolemy, the ruler of Egypt at the time, would provoke a war and suffer heavy losses, at which time Antiochus would conquer Libya and Ethiopia and then die by the sea shore with no one to save him.
Immediately follows the scripture describing the furious rise of Michael the enraged Archangel, who is obviously the one responsible for doing in Antiochus (it is suggested by the juxtaposition of this verse against the verse describing the destruction of Antiochus, and in earlier passage where it is hinted that 'the beast' will die, but not by human hands).
Ptolemy did not begin another war with Antiochus, Antiochus did not proceed to conquer Libya or Ethiopia. Neither did he promptly drop dead at the sea shore, and, as is obvious, neither did the archangel Michael become so provoked by Antiochus defilement of the Jerusalem temple that the end of the world took place. Because the author was accurately describing history up to about 167 B.C.E. and then became a dismal failure from that point on we can be fairly certain that the author wrote the composition around 167.
Daniel Chapter 11 opens by describing Alexander the Great and the breakup and division of his empire after his death between his four generals. Verses 5 and 6 refer to Ptolemy and Selecus (who is the plotter behind the scenes). The passages then describe the alliance between Ptolemy II (the King of the South - Egypt) and Antiochus II (the King of the North - the Selucid Greeks). Ptolemy gave his daughter Bernice in marriage to Antiochus but they were all brought to ruin by the plotting of Laodice, the mother of Selecus II. Verses 7 and 8 describe the victorious war of Ptolemy III, as power continued to see saw between the two warring empires. In verse 9 , Selecus II, brought to power with the help of his scheming mother, attempted to pay back Egypt in 242 B.C.E. but suffered defeat.
The sons described in verse 10 are Selecus III and Antiochus III. Verses 11 to 13 describe Antiochus' defeat at the hands of Ptolemy IV at Raphia and the subsequent triumph of Antiochus over the Egyptians at Banias. (It seems these two countries were always taking turns crushing each other on the battlefield.) Revolt in Egypt against Ptolemy V are then related in verse 14 , and then the next Egyptian campaign of Antiochus III is described, culminating in a peace treaty once again sealed by the marriage of Antiochus' daughter to Ptolemy.
In verses 18 and 19 Antiochus is foiled by the Romans who thwart his plans to capture Asia Minor, and instead Antiochus was forced back, plundering as he went, and he died at Elymais. Selecus IV, his successor sent a tax man into Palestine to sack the treasury of the temple, without success (verse 20).
And finally starting at verses 21 through 45 we arrive at the time of the Maccabees, and also the time of the notorious 'beast' of prophecy in Daniel, the notorious temple desecrator, the sacrilegious and insulting Antiochus IV . Verses 22 to 24 describe his conniving over the appointment to the office of high priest (and his toppling of Onias III, the high priest) and his campaign of plundering that followed. Verses 25 to 28 describe his campaign of 169 B.C.E. in which he invaded Egypt, and then on his return home to deal with intrigues brewing there, he stopped long enough to sack Jerusalem and plunder the treasury of the temple (a little like robbing the collection plate at a church - it wasn't for nothing that they started calling this guy 'the beast.').
Verses 29 to 31 describe his next campaign against Egypt and his forced withdrawal by intervention of ships from 'Kittim' (Cyprus). In a fury he attacked Jerusalem again in 167 B.C.E. (apparently being that type of sullen, bad tempered bully who kicks the dog when things don't turn out right. I suppose Jerusalem was easier to sack a second time than taking on those ships from Cyprus.) It was at this time that he set up 'the abomination that causes desolation' in the Jerusalem temple (an altar to heathen gods).
This act so enraged the Jewish people that it led directly to the Maccabean revolt (the references to persecution and resistance in verses 32 to 35 refer to this movement). Verses 36 to 45 describe his coming doom, for being so downright miserable and godless in all his ways. We can thus date this section of the book pretty accurately to sometime around 167 B.C.E. (it was written during the resistance movement to inspire the resistance fighters).
Let us do some math. There are a number of possible dates we could work with here. Let us try them all. Cyrus allowed the Jewish people to return in 538 B.C.E. Let us total up the 7 weeks and the 62 weeks, which gives us 483 years. This would bring us up to 55 B.C.E. So if Christ was born in 55 B.C.E. (which would make all the gospel accounts wrong) then at least we have something we can work with in Daniel. Let us try another date. Zerubabbel led the people starting in 521 B.C.E. This brings us to 38 B.C.E. No good.
Zerubabbel continued to lead until 485. If we use 485, that brings us to 2 B.C.E. That's better. Getting warm. How about we try this one out on Ezra-Nehemiah. (You should note that textual problems with these two manuscripts make dating the periods covered very problematic. For example we are first led to believe that Ezra preceded Nehemiah, and that they were separated by at least two decades, and thus were not contemporaries, while an alternate solution to the textual problems actually places Ezra after Nehemiah, which is a significant difference.)
One possible date for Nehemiah's rebuilding of the walls is 445 B.C.E. This brings us to 38 C.E. (if we just ignore the division of weeks and total everything up). That's interesting. Another possible date for Nehemiah's work - 404 B.C.E. Even worse. Now we are up to 79 C.E. That can't be right.
2 peter 3:8 However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.
This gives instant credibility to the creative days, and also the time line in which Adam died. This means that the creative days happened NOT in a 24 hr period each day, but thousands of actual human years between the days. And I mean, it should be common sense to people since in the fourth day God makes a division between night and day and seasons. That would mark the time that the 24 hr days actually came into existence. So therefore, Gods creative days could not logically have been 24 hrs since in day 4 that had just began. DUH!
Now back to Adam. If the 2nd peter 3:8 verse is applied, as it should be since its in the bible, so clearly God wants us to know that, then that is NOT a false Prophecy at all! Adam died in year 930 after sinning, that is 70 years short of a day to Jehovah. So therefore, to GOD, ADAM DID DIE WITHIN THAT SAME DAY.
While he was sitting upon the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: "Tell us, When will these things be, AND WHAT WILL BE THE SIGN OF YOUR PRESENCE and of the conclusion of the system of things?"
Jesus then runs off what the SIGN will be IN VERSES 4-14. Note that even though he says many diff things, they are all consistent with ONE SIGN, not many SIGNS. So when all of those things happen at one time, that would signal the ONE SIGN of his presence as King. Now, even though the preaching work would begin with him and the apostles and disciples, Jesus said when he died, men would give in to false teachings and reasonings. So clearly, the end would not come at that time of the falling away. PLUS!
Here is Paul speaking on Jesus actual presence. 1st thess 4:. 15 For this is what we tell YOU by Jehovah's word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord shall in no way precede those who have fallen asleep [in death]; 16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel's voice and with God's trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. 17 Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord.
This here speaks of a long period of time, since some are said to be dead and have to be raised, while some are alive during Jesus presence as King. That process started Immediately after his death, on down to our very day. Now when his actual presence started is another story. But you did not ask for that. Also further evidence.
Paul here in Corinthians, speaking of the order of resurrections.
1st corinthians 15:23 But each one in his own rank: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the Christ DURING HIS PRESENCE. 24 NEXT, THE END when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet. 26 As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing.
So the resurrection of the Holy ones would happen during Jesus actual presence, which was clearly not during Paul's actual time of living, according to his words.
Now the preaching work in mathew 24:14 is a specific one. It is of the Good news of the Kingdom of God, spoken of in Dan 2:44 and when Jesus said it will be preached in all the inhabited earth. That specific preaching work is being done as Jesus foretold through out the world, and the end of this system is very, very near.
How can they then be one generation you ask,then? Well a generation is a group of people that live to see events take place at the same time. People all don't have to be born within a time frame to be part of a generation. Ages can vary. For instance, if you were around when RUN DMC were big, no matter the age, you were part of the generation that seen rap turn mainstream. whether you were 9 or 90. Im sure you get my drift there, smart guy and all.
So the fact that Jesus says his disciples wont pass until all the sign of his presence happens simply means as Paul brought out, those who died in union with him will be raised up during his presence, and those who are still alive will witness the sign while alive, and during death, they wont sleep at all, simply be instantly changed in the heavenly arrangement, to all be in union. Read 1 thess 4:15-17 again to get an apt understanding again. If this holds true, if this is done, then Jesus in fact did not false prophesy. Because all of his disciples(generation) will have witnessed the same event,( the sign of his presence ) whether in heaven or earth.
Now as far as ECC 1:4, glad you brought that up. Remember Mathew 24:3 spoke of an end to the SYSTEM of things. A system is how things are ran. It does not mean the end of the earth itself, but an ending of a system of things within the earth. Just as with the flood in Noahs day. God did not destroy the earth, but he destroyed a vessel within the earth, or system of things.
God's purpose is for righteous people to live forever on earth. Has always been that way. (psl 37:29) In order to have that take place, he would need to rid the earth of wicked people, and the influences behind them. Why? Because they stand in the way of him fulfilling his purpose for those who do his will.
So when Ecl 1:4 says that, it is correct. The earth will stand forever. That is the only way righteous people can live forever on it! But the way things are currently within the earth will not. God knows how to destroy the wicked but preserve the righteous. As evidenced by Noah and the 7 souls saved, while the rest of the wicked world was deluged.
Rev 17:
Well, on catching sight of her I wondered with great wonderment. 7 And so the angel said to me: "Why is it you wondered? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the wild beast that is carrying her and that has the seven heads and the ten horns: 8 The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction. And when they see how the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present, those who dwell on the earth will wonder admiringly, but their names have not been written upon the scroll of life from the founding of the world.
9 "Here is where the intelligence that has wisdom comes in: The seven heads mean seven mountains, where the woman sits on top. 10 And there are seven kings: five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet arrived, but when he does arrive he must remain a short while.
John would clearly have had access to the book of Daniel, and would understand the wild beast in Daniel to mean world powers. (Dan 7:1-6, 17) Also (Dan 8:3-8, 20-22) Also, mountains in the bible have referred to world powers or governments. (Jeremiah 51:24, 25; Dan 2:34, 35, 44, 45) With that Knowledge, when the angel tells him its 7 mountains, and 7 Kings, it would logically mean 7 world powers to him.
Angel says 5 powers have come (biblically), 1 is, and the other has yet to arrive. The 5 biblical world powers that had fallen were
Medo persia
Each of these are mentioned in the bible and in one way or another, have oppressed God's people. The one that is, meaning still in power during Johns time was Rome. Rome was still very much in power when John died, and by the time he got that vision in revelation it was 98 ce. John was near the end of his life, and had no logical hope at all at living when that next world power would appear. As the angel says, One is yet to come (meaning having not come during his lifetime)
So again, it appears you have overstated your knowledge of what the bible means. If you don't understand the basics of it, then you will never understand it's prophecies the correct way.
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Knickfan4realz, read my response to your comeback about the Cosmological Argument...answer the last question at the bottom....then explain to me how man knows right from wrong..and how you seperate good and evil. If there is no God then Hitler would be just as all of us. So just do what i ask, answer the last post question and explain to me those things in your own words.
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However, aside from this fact, you saying that Hitler wasn't one of us? He was. He justified his actions. Do we agree with them? No. But to him it was the right thing to do just as you and your fellow bible thumper continue on to preach your religion to us because you believe its right to do so, that you are indeed saving us, or perhaps even defending your deity. However, it does not make you right, as there is no universal concept of a right action.
Lyfe, the bible is not evidence for he last god damn time. Saying "I showed it to you when I quoted the bible" means jack. Its not a credible source. Sorry. Universities don't consider it a source of ethos, thus I cannot look at it as such. Nothing is proven. You're forgetting. You cannot prove anything from the bible. You were no there, you do not have physical evidence, and even if you had been there and had evidence, can we be so certain that you are not mistaken?
Faith is everything and yet it is nothing. There are no right or wrong answers. Everything is justifiable to someone and there is never a way to 100% prove something. You may have evidence or something that supports it, but for you to claim that you have proof or that something is indeed so, is an extremely arrogant and ignorant statement.
In conclusion, while I do enjoy to debate my own personal feelings with others about religion and make valid arguments, I find it rather hard to do so when whatever I say is simply either ignored or thought of as ludicrous. The main problem with your sides of the argument is that your views are overly arrogant and become situations of talking down to Realz and myself as though we are children. You look at us as fools or something along that line when I do think the opposite has clearly been proven. Or atleast, we can think it has, but you cannot really measure intelligence, or even define it really. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you should not take something as fact and deny everything against it, the truth is that an open mind, one of understanding and the yearning to learn more is better suited for seeing the world than one that is closed, even though it is certainly much safer and comforting. As men, we are forever left to question everything, and not doing so is denying our own existence.
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Mr. Jaramillo was born Oct. 23, 1939, in Woodsboro to Geromino and Francisca Jaramillo.
Survivors include his wife, Catarina Jaramillo of Woodsboro; sons, Crespin Jaramillo Jr. of Refugio, Ruben Jaramillo, David Jaramillo and Geromino Jaramillo, all of Woodsboro; daughter, Delia Jaramillo of Woodsboro; sister, Petraonila Alamos of Waco; eight grandchildren and one great-grandchild.
The rosary was recited at 7 p.m. Wednesday, July 30, at Moore Funeral Home Chapel.
The funeral Mass will be celebrated at 10 a.m. today (Thursday, July 31) at St. Therese Catholic Church. Burial to follow at St. Bernard Cemetery.


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POULTNEY Gloria T. LaBate, 86, died Tuesday, Feb. 12, 2013, at Rutland Regional Medical Center after a long illness.
She was born Nov. 29, 1926, in Poultney, the daughter of Angelio and Donata (Dimichele) LaBate.
She graduated from Poultney High School.
Miss LaBate worked for over 32 years as a home product salesperson in the Poultney area.
She was a member of St. Raphael the Archangel Catholic Church.
She enjoyed reading and taking walks.
Survivors include a sister, Grace Fox of South Hadley, Mass., several nieces, nephews, and numerous cousins.
Miss LaBate was predeceased by eight siblings, Jane Laramie, Francis, Guy, John, Angelio Jr., Antonio, Ernest Peter and Michael.
The funeral Mass will be celebrated at 11 a.m. Saturday, Feb. 16, at St. Raphael Catholic Church. The Rev. Daniel Jordan will be the celebrant.
Calling hours will be from 5 to 7 p.m. Friday, Feb. 15, at the Roberts-Aubin Funeral Home, 266 Allen Ave., Poultney.
Memorial contributions may be made to St. Raphael Catholic Church, 21 East Main St., Poultney, VT 05764.
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Let's play a game. It's called "What Does the Internet Think of You?"
This is the digital age, after all, where every speck of information about us is scanned and uploaded to humanity's attic, where those embarrassing pictures of your "hip-hop phase" are hopefully dropped into an obscure box behind a Nordic Track and some Pogs, never to be seen again. But hey, at least you know enough to be ashamed of that stuff: There's a wealth of associated information out there painting a terrible picture of you right now, and you may have no idea. So let's take a poke around at the sites we use daily and find out what they really have to say about us.
The game is simple: Take any online service that you use frequently -- suggested products, custom ad services, mail filters, bank accounts, whatever -- and mentally subtract the context that only you would know. What would a total stranger, looking at those same results, assume about the person they're based on?
That's what the Internet thinks of you.
This is probably not going to be pretty.
4Google Image Search Thinks I'm a Sexual Predator
Let's start off with an easy one: Head on over to Google Image Search and look up your name in quotes. If you've got an unusual moniker, like "Llarold Blarney" or "Slapdick McRunfast," you're probably going to find a lot of pictures of yourself and not much else, so feel free to remove those quote marks.
Now, what do you see right there at the top of the page? My results are pretty intuitive:
There's a photo of my mustache mastering fire, the cover of my first book and Van Damme exploding a crotch. Pretty good! If I had only three images to explain the mystery that is Brockway to new friends and potential marks, I would probably choose the same pictures.
But wait, what's that picture, just a few results from the left? The one where the question mark is now (our lawyers said I couldn't show the actual image, but you'll know when you see him. He'll live forever in the space where your childhood dreams used to be). Who the fuck is that? Dude looks like he raped his way through a van full of other, lesser rapists. And there he is, just slipped right in, immediately following a string of pictures of my shining visage. Why?
There's context, of course: This is just some poor schmuck's mugshot from a DUI arrest in my hometown of Portland, Oregon. But his inclusion here really screws me. Listen, I have a lot of facial accessories -- the beard, the glasses, sometimes a hat -- for a reason: I want to be hard to identify in a lineup. It's a brilliant social strategy most days, but now it's biting me in the ass. Because, man, that guy could almost be me, couldn't he? If you didn't know me personally, you see "haggard white guy, facial hair and glasses" and you mentally fill in the blanks to build yourself a Brockway. So if somebody goes searching my name, they see: profile picture of me, profile picture of me, profile picture of me, then a mugshot of what appears to be the victor of the great biannual Survival of the Rapest Competition.
I'm not upset that somebody might think that I'm a criminal -- these columns are viewable by the public, after all; I've pretty well superglued that shit to the zeitgeist. I guess I'm just distressed because it implies that I can be caught.
Ah, but the game's not over. The top results are easy. Now scroll to the bottom of that page, and find out what the Internet really associates with the idea of you. The bottom of a GIS page is like the Internet's Rorschach test, where it shouts out obscenities based on the little human inkblots it sees up top. What did you end up with? Because I'll tell you: Mine's some bullshit.
I've got a lot of goth imagery, a couple of Twilight screen caps and a movie called Little Ashes, which IMDb tells me is about Salvador Dali exploring forbidden man-love in college.
I'm not sure, but I think the abstract concept of the Internet just called me a "fag."
3Netflix Thinks I Should Stop Repressing My Homosexuality
Oh hey! All right. This isn't too bad. Those are all shows I enjoy and endorse. Good job, Netflix, you're making me look like a veritable connoisseur of nerdery. OK, let's just scroll down a little bit to the "based on your search" section:
That's a hell of a narrative unfolding in just a few movie posters. It looks like I spent Saturday night indulging my "sensitive" side a little with a viewing of She's All That, then grew wildly insecure about it and overcompensated by watching a bunch of manly sports movies and Captain America. Then, emboldened by a renewed confidence in my own sexuality and stirred by the rippling pecs of Chris Evans, I went HARD GAY and watched every single homosexual-themed flick available trying to find the closest thing to dudes humpin' that Netflix had to offer.
Again, it doesn't matter that I know the context and have a perfectly reasonable explanation: The sports movies are in response to me adding a motorcycle documentary (On Any Sunday is not a sports movie, guys), and I share a queue with my wife, who, like all women, finds transvestites irresistible, and fanatically devoured every episode of RuPaul's Drag Race and something called Paris Is Burning, so that's what all the gay porn is doi-
Shit, even I don't believe me.


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Wayne County will be spending a little more in 2014, but property owners' county tax bills will not increase.
Budget manager John Haggerty unveiled and the commissioners approved a $29.97 million proposed 2014 county budget at a special meeting on November 27.
The commissioners plan a vote to finalize adoption of the budget on December 19. Until then the plan is available for review online at www.co.wayne.pa.us [2] and at the commissioners' office.
Haggerty stated there would be no tax increase despite a planned spending increase of $175,000 and "funding reductions in several state and federal programs," administered by the county.
Commissioners' chair Brian Smith said the spending increase and unchanged tax rate was made possible by a combination of revenues and savings.
While overall state aid has been reduced, state revenues for the housing of state prisoners at the county correctional facility have increased, he said.
The cost reduction came from a general improvement in the national economy, commissioner Wendell Kay said.
To keep a commitment to county employees that contributions to the retirement program will be kept stable during the economic downturn, the commissioners had supplemented program contributions for the past three years. With the economy expected to continue to improve, those contributions supplementing investment income have been dropped in the new budget. Investments have recovered to a "very positive position," Kay said.
Some help should also be on the way for Wayne's financially stressed libraries. Smith said aid to the libraries is increased 20 to 25%, some $50,000 in the new budget.
The budget does not provide funding for the Wayne-Pike Literacy Program (WPLP), which like the libraries, lost funding with Pennsylvania's new block grant funding program.
Smith said the WPLP never came to the commissioners for help.
Unrelated to the budget presentation, the commissioners last Wednesday also certified financial reporting on county human services block-grant spending.
Wayne was one of some 10 counties selected as pilots for the block-grant funding. County officials say the block grants have allowed them more flexibility in funding, since specialized line-item eligibility for funding has been dropped. Portions of line-item funding not meeting eligibility issues had to be returned to the state in past.
However, the new flexibility came with an overall 10% reduction of so-called "C-Cap" state funding. While he supports the block grants, Kay admitted, "The cuts did hurt, but we complied and rung out everything we could. C-Cap funding restoration will help."
The commissioners also announced that Pennsylvania Rep. Mike Peifer has notified Wayne that its application for grant funding for a baseline water quality study has been approved. Peifer did not include the amount that the grant would fund.
The commissioners expressed surprise at the interest in their bid request for the installation of a package sewage grinder at the county correctional facility. Ten bids, ranging from $82,000 to $168,000, were received and referred to staff for engineering review and recommendations.


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This is a Digitized Sky Survey image of the oldest star with a well-determined age in our galaxy. The aging star, cataloged as HD 140283, lies 190.1 light-years away. Hubble Space Telescope was used to narrow the measurement uncertainty on the star's distance, and this helped refine the calculation of a more precise age of 14.5 billion years (plus or minus 800 million years).
The star is rapidly passing through our local stellar neighborhood. The star's orbit carries it through the plane of our galaxy from the galactic halo that has a population of ancient stars. The Anglo-Australian Observatory (AAO) UK Schmidt telescope photographed the star in blue light.
Object Name: HD 140283
Image Type: Astronomical
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Whats the name of the original track Dilla samples for "Verbal Clap", "L.A. to Detroit" and "Stepson of the Clapper"
I know it nags' people when fools are askin' for original samples but I'm tryin' to do somethin' with that shit.
not just tryin' to know it just to know.
Send me a Private Message atleast.
ps. if this offends anybody or whatevs, im sorry, but you know..?
People are gonna think i'm a kook for this shit..
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Posted 08 November 2006 - 02:25 PM
you talking about the long red sample by mountain?
Posted 08 November 2006 - 02:28 PM
you talking about the long red sample by mountain?
i reckon he is.... those drums are only on the live version though - no break on the lp version. what are you gonna do with them??? theyve been rinsed to high heaven by everyone already...
Posted 08 November 2006 - 02:39 PM
what are you gonna do with them???
I was sittin' in class today and I was listenin' to "Verbal Clap" and I was scopin' out the little claps before the beat actually drops and I just started piecin' a beat together in my head.
Figured I might aswell give it a go because what I had goin' in my head sounded somewhat different from the rest.
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I was wondering if anyone has gone through something similar. About a month ago my DD had a bout of diarrhea (a huge, but really HUGE, amount of green, mucousy poop). The doctor said it was a virus and it would run its course in 2-3 weeks.
Fast forward to more than 4 weeks later... Although the giant green poops didn't return, her poops have become more watery. When the poop comes out, there is the pasty part, the seedy part, and then transparent yellow water around it. Worse: sometimes, she farts and only squirts of the transparent yellow water come out. And also, she poops 6-8 times a day, and there always seems to be a little bit of poop in between the larger poops. Sometimes she spends one hour pooping, in between larger and smaller amounts of poop (this often happens when I'm changing her).
From time to time she has green or brown poops, and also mucus.
Plus she is SUPER GASSY (like, scary gassy), often has discomfort when pooping, and often gets a little reflux-y.
The doctor said it could be an allergy and I have eliminated dairy, wheat, soy, nuts, and onions for ten days already. I haven't noticed any difference.
In the meantime they are running a stool sample to see if she has giardia.
She was a little over one month when the diarrhea started, and now she is 10 weeks. Her weight gain is excellent (she went from 7lb 10oz at one month to 10lb 6oz at two months) so the doctor wasn't that concerned.
From everything I've read and heard, I thought this was the time when the poops would get fewer. Instead, she's pooping round the clock, and the watery squirts are very disconcerting. I wanted to know if anyone else has ever experienced something similar, and if so, what the cause and the outcome were.
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On Tuesday, they met again, picking at the details of a budget months in the works.
Part of their concern was that this budget, as presented, contained funding elements that they thought might get them into financial trouble in the future.
Trustee Gabriel Hinojosa said, "What about next year?
"What about two years from now?
"We have all these band instruments, teacher raises and insurance... We may have money this year... but two or three years from now, are we going to be laying teachers off just to give them a raise for one year?
"It sounds good for one year, but in two years, what are we going to do when we don't have the money...? We cannot raise taxes because we already went up to $1.17."
The proposed budget is based on a tax rate of $1.17 per $100 property valuation for operations of the district and $0.30189 to repay debt. This is an overall decrease from last year of eight cents.
Question of the note
Trustee James Bennett was also concerned about the purchase of the note.
"If we borrow this $2.5 million to pay back over 10 years, and we spend the bulk of it – maybe not all of it but a lot of it the first year, what do we do for buses, teacher pay raises and et cetera in the coming years?"
Trustee Edward Polasek added, "We have no room to grow after voting to get the $1.17."
Carole Estes, district business manager, reminded trustees that it is difficult to know what additional funding sources will come along next year or what funds will come from the state. She said they base their budget on this year's information.
Seven cents of the $1.17 proposed tax rate would go towards repaying the note at about $250,000 per year. She also calculated that every penny above $1.10 generates $38,526 for the district.
Superintendent Dr. Brett Belmarez added that next year, the district could see more money coming from the state if the district's enrollment continues to climb.
"With each enrollment, those numbers go up," he said. "That is about the only way you get new money.
"Fortunately, we have been able to keep doing that."
Unfunded positions
Then there is the question posed by Trustee Troy Hughes about a recent hire to the district.
"The band assistant director — is that position funded?" he asked.
"It is funded at the paraprofessional level, and this year's hire is a professional," said Belmarez.
Hughes said, "It was my understanding that we have hired a band assistant director. So, is that a proposed item in the future or has that already been budgeted for?
"Because I am not sure why we hired an individual when we have not approved this tax rate, and it is not in the upcoming budget."
Estes explained that they have to have employees in place by the beginning of school.
"We do have to plan for school to start, so we do use our proposed budgeted numbers to plan for the next year," she said. "You have to have a place to start."
Hughes said, "My concern is we have hired this individual, and the budget has not been approved, and now we have to possibly go to this individual and tell him he may not be an employee of this district."
Hughes said that this is the position into which the administration placed the board.
"But, yet, it is the board's fault this individual is going to have to step down."
Budget will determine salaries
Belmarez said that all of the salaries, for every teacher and staff employee, is based upon the assumption that the board is going to approve the budget.
"We assume that a budget is going to be approved," he said. "We have 120 (employees) who all kind of have promises right now, and we assume a budget is going to be approved.
"We are making everybody a promise that we are not sure of right now until a budget is approved."
Hughes countered, saying, "But you are also making a threat as well... You are also casting information to the newspaper that we may have to terminate staff as well."
Is $1.10 an option?
Trustees continued to question the budget, asking whether it was wise to go to the $1.17 rate or go lower and adopt a $1.10.
Hughes even questioned if it was possible to go to the $1.17 rate but not purchase the $2.5 million note.
"Can we not take the maintenance and operation portion up to the $1.17 without entering into a maintenance tax note and forgo repaying $2.5 million over 10 years?" he asked.
Belmarez responded, "What you would forgo is $2.5 million."
He added that the administration was recommending purchasing the note because of the low interest rates right now. Under questioning, Belmarez confirmed that this could be done next year, but there was no guarantee that the rates would remain at this historic low.
The trustees will need to make a decision on the budget by the end of the month.
Only one budget
Several trustees also questioned whether the district had a balanced budget at the lower $1.10 rate that would not include the seven cents for the note.
Belmarez said they did not because for the past seven board budget meetings they have been working under the assumption that the trustees were agreeable to the $1.17 amount.
Tuesday was the second time the board has met with approving the budget and tax rate on its agenda. Last week, the board met but also failed to get the votes necessary to pass the budget and tax rate.
Hughes even offered the proposal of a tax rate midway between the two amounts discussed. His $1.13 proposal received no second — so no vote was taken on it.
This past week, residents were given a chance to speak to the board because this was considered a hearing on the proposed budget.
Feelings were mixed in the audience about what the board should do.
But one man, an employee of the district, expressed concern about how all of this was being handled.
Public perception
Steve Batchelor, district transportation director, said that he grew up in the district and has children going there.
"Over my years, I have worked with every kind of mix and match imaginable of school board people," he said during the public comment portion of the meeting.
"They all come for different reasons.
"I think when the trustees get here and take that seat, their basic and most important responsibility is to make sure our kids get a good education — the best we can give them.
"All of this fussing and fighting... for people like me on the outside, this looks like a big gaggle.
"I grew up with most of you guys. I know what kind of men you are.
"It bothers the people that love this district and work here and are trying to do the same thing y'all are trying to do.
"I don't care if y'all like Dr. (Belmarez).
"I don't care about personal agendas.
"What we want from you is the truth.
"I want to know why the board motioned to approve this tax rate and budget a few weeks ago and a few days later changed their mind with no reason or explanation."
Jason Collins is the editor at the Bee-Picayune and can be reached at 358-2550, ext. 121, or at firstname.lastname@example.com.


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