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|"Beyond the Farthest Star"
|TAS, Episode 1x01
Production number: 22004
First aired: 8 September 1973
|4th of 22 produced in TAS
|1st of 22 released in TAS
|80th of 728 released in all
| Written By
Samuel A. Peeples
Directed By
Hal Sutherland
|5221.3 - 5221.8 (2269)
Kirk's crew come across an ancient derelict vessel, but something is still living inside it. (Series Premiere)
Summary Edit
- "Captain's log, stardate: 5221.3. On outward course beyond the fringe of our galaxy towards Questar M-17, a source of mysterious radio emissions. Mission: Star charting."
En route to investigate, the Enterprise suddenly experiences severe hypergravitational effects from Questar M-17's negative star mass. The starship gets pulled towards the remnants of the star, but manages to achieve a standard orbit.
The crew discover a huge damaged pod ship of unknown alien origin. It turns out this vessel is the source of the radio emissions. Kirk orders Sulu to put the Enterprise alongside the ancient starship, and then he asks Spock for readings on the ship. Spock reports that the temperature is absolute zero and that there is no energy in the ship to support life or send the radio messages. The only thing detected is a magnetic reading that could be normal for the metal used in the ship's construction. To Kirk's questions as to whether the metal or design can be identified, Spock answers, "Negative to both, Captain. Unknown alloy, harder and lighter than any registered metal. It is not a recorded galactic starship design. Retro analysis of the ship's spectrum dates it as having been in orbit here for slightly more than 300 million years."
Kirk decides to board the impressively-designed starship with Scotty and Dr. McCoy, so they strap on their life support belts and beam over. The ship appears to have been built by an insectoid race. Spock remarks, "The hexagonal shape of the windows suggests a similarity to natural insect designs of Earth, the honeycombs of bees; the individual cells are shaped precisely like this." Scotty marvels, "Would you look at this, now. This metal isn't cast or rolled; it was drawn into filaments and spun." Kirk is fascinated and adds, "Like a spider spins its web." Making a scientific observation, Spock says, "A lighter and stronger material than anything we have now." Kirk then notices something about the ship and remarks, "Look, every pod – they've all been burst open." Scotty agrees, "Aye, from the inside, from the looks of them." McCoy conjectures, "Must have been some accident to get almost every pod." Spock refutes this statement, "Accidents seldom have such system, Dr. McCoy. I believe we must consider the alternative possibility. That the crew of this ship destroyed her... themselves."
- "Captain's Log: We have beamed aboard the alien ship found orbiting a strange dead star. The Enterprise is recording all data for the log and a full report later."
Kirk contacts the Enterprise and reaches Lieutenant Uhura. Kirk asks her, "Lieutenant, are you still getting that radio signal from this ship?" She replies, "Negative, captain. It stopped transmitting when you beamed aboard." Kirk then requests she keep a transporter lock on them because he has decided to investigate the inside of the strange spaceship. Spock registers a slight energy reading on his tricorder. He tells Kirk that it seems the ship is receiving the energy being generated by the away team and that the craft is apparently storing up the energy. The whole ship was made for just that purpose.
When the Enterprise crew enter the control center of the ship, the door seals behind them and an interference field prevents communicators and phasers from operating. The source of this field turns out to be a device attached to the navigational console. Spock describes it as "not part of the normal equipment; it's like something they jury-rigged during an emergency." The field's purpose seems to have been to shield the control center from an intruder.
Further investigation is interrupted when something begins trying to break through the door of the control center. A log entry begins playing, explaining that the original crew chose to destroy their vessel to avoid carrying a malevolent entity to other worlds. As the door collapses and explosions begins to destroy the control center, the interference field fails and the landing party is beamed back aboard the Enterprise.
After materializing in the transporter room, they discover that the the malevolent entity has beamed aboard with them. It takes over control of the ship's systems, using the Enterprise's phasers to destroy the insectoid craft. The entity wants to use the Enterprise to take it away from the dead star. But Spock has placed the navigation console inside a static shield, so the entity cannot steer the ship. However, the entity has taken the crew hostage. Kirk acts as if he is obeying the entity, but actually plans to use the slingshot effect to break out of orbit. The entity, thinking Kirk is going to crash the Enterprise into the star, flees for its life while the Enterprise frees itself from Questar's gravitational pull, leaving the creature to orbit around the star forever, wailing in terrible, endless loneliness.
- "Captain's log, stardate: 5221.8, final entry. Resuming outward course beyond the farthest star of our galaxy. Mission: Star charting."
Memorable Quotes Edit
"Look, every pod, they've all been burst open."
"Aye, from the inside from the looks of them."
"Must have been some accident to get almost every pod."
"Accidents seldom have such system, Dr. McCoy. I believe we must consider the alternative possibility that the crew of this ship destroyed her... themselves."
- - Kirk, Scotty, McCoy, and Spock
"The whole ship is designed to receive and store energy."
- - Scotty
"A physiological symptom of latent primal superstition. The fear of primitive people confronting something unknown to them."
"Compared to the people who built this ship, we are primitives. Even you, Mr. Spock."
- - Spock and Kirk
"Danger! Danger! The dead star... we are being drawn to it! Rather than carry this malevolent life form to other worlds, we have decided to destroy our own ship! There is no other answer! If you understand this message, you are protected only for this moment in this room! This thing, it wants..."
- - Insectoid Captain
"Jim, you don't think that's going to help us. Whatever that thing is, it survived a millennia in a dead hulk. All it has to do here is outlast us and just take over."
"No. It must be held by the magnetic force of the dead star. And it needs a starship to break free and a crew to man it."
"You are correct, Captain James T. Kirk. And I have the starship I've waited for so long, so terribly long!"
- - McCoy, Kirk and Magnetic organism
"You will now remove the static shield from the navigation console, Captain James T. Kirk."
"You have shut down life support systems and endangered members of my crew. Restore those systems first!"
"All non-essential systems are extinguished. You will obey me."
"And if I refuse?"
"Obey me!"
- - Magnetic organism and Kirk - Listen to this quotefile info
"Stop! You'll hurt him!"
"Remove the static shield from the warp drive controls! Do it now!!"
"No, Captain!"
"I'll obey! Let him go!"
- - Kirk, Magnetic organism and Spock
"You will leave this orbit and plot course to galactic coordinates zero-three-six-point-two-three-one!"
"That's the heart of the galaxy, Captain!"
"Plot the course, Mr. Sulu."
"Captain, this symbiote can reproduce itself by mitosis and take over every starship we encounter. It can control computer centers...whole planets."
"I'm aware of that, Mr. Spock."
"Complete repairs! Obey me!"
- - Magnetic organism, Sulu, Kirk and Spock
"No! Accelerate! Do not destroy the ship! Obey! Obey!! OBEY!!!"
- - Magnetic organism
"Is it gone?"
"Affirmative. It fled the ship when it thought we would crash into the dead star."
"Don't leave me alone! Please! Please! So lonely...!"
- - Kirk, Spock and Magnetic organism
Background Information Edit
Title, Story and Script Edit
- This episode's title was inspired by a book of the same name, one of Edgar Rice Burroughs' lesser-known science fiction novels. (Star Trek Concordance, Citadel ed., p. 78) There is also a similarly-named episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, entitled "Far Beyond the Stars".
- This episode was penned by Samuel A. Peeples, who previously wrote the second Star Trek pilot, "Where No Man Has Gone Before". He remembered, "[Dorothy Fontana] called and said, 'Gene suggested that since you had done the pilot for the original Star Trek, maybe you'd like to do the pilot for the animated Star Trek.' And that's what I did [....] As far as the inspiration for the story, I don't have the vaguest idea. It seems to me that I was trying to say that it would be interesting if there was a space ship which was actually a living creature. It's alive, but it is used to going from one planet to another." (Captains' Logs: The Unauthorized Complete Trek Voyages, pp. 98-99)
- A revised draft of the episode's script was submitted on 17 April 1973, though certain pages were revised on 10 May 1973.
Cast and Audio Edit
- Lieutenant Kyle reappears from the original series here, though with a moustache, brown hair, and voiced by James Doohan, replacing John Winston. This is the only TAS episode in which Kyle has any dialogue.
- The dialogue from this episode's script was recorded with the full regular cast in attendance (the first time they had reunited since filming of the original series ended in January 1969). This recording session was at Filmation's studios in Reseda, California, in June 1973 (on or prior to the fourth of that month), and also included recording of the vocals for "Yesteryear" and "More Tribbles, More Troubles". (Star Trek: Communicator issue 119, p. 32; The Star Trek Compendium, 4th ed., p. 143)
- When the cutter beams cut the hinge of the core hatch trapped on Scotty, the sound effect it makes when it hits the floor is a common sound effect from The Flintstones (a loud clang noise). (citation needed • edit)
Production Edit
- Gene Roddenberry once related that the medium of animation made it easy to depict a massive starship such as the one featured here. "If we want an exotic space ship fifty miles across," he said, "it's as easy to draw that as it is to do one the size of the Enterprise." [1]
- The cutting beam in this episode emanates from an instrument that looks almost exactly like the hand-held spectrum analyzer used by Spock in the TOS episode "The Naked Time".
- In a production inconsistency, Scotty is shown wearing – for a brief moment, when he is pinned beneath the engineering casing – the insignia of a captain.
Continuity Edit
- The fact that Lieutenant Kyle is seen to have grown a mustache by this point foreshadows the character sporting a goatee in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.
- This episode marks the first and only use of the "Automatic Bridge Defense System". The device was never seen again in any subsequent series.
- A number of sources, beginning with the Star Trek Concordance by Bjo Trimble, incorrectly list the stardate of this episode as 5521.3.
Original Airing and Reception Edit
- On 4 June 1973, NBC made the announcement that Star Trek's regular cast had reunited to record the script for this installment (as well as the teleplays for an additional two episodes). (Star Trek: Communicator issue 119, p. 32)
- At one point during the first week of September 1973, this episode was shown at a private NBC screening, at which Los Angeles Times critic Cecil Smith was overheard remarking, "This is definitely not a kid's program." Smith's positive impression of the episode influenced a review (entitled "Star Trek Bows in Animated Form") that was written by him and was published in the 10 September 1973 edition of the Los Angeles Times. (The Making of Star Trek: The Motion Picture, pp. 19 & iv)
- Although this episode's original air date was 8 September 1973 (or seven years to the day from the 1966 premiere of TOS), its first broadcast in Los Angeles was on 22 December of that year, due to George Takei's run for City Council and "equal time" issues. (Star Trek Concordance, Citadel ed., p. 78)
- As the first episode of Star Trek: The Animated Series to air, this was also the first episode of the franchise to be broadcast in the 1970s.
- D.C. Fontana has repeatedly cited this as one of her favorite installments of the animated Star Trek (along with "Yesteryear", "More Tribbles, More Troubles", "Bem" and "The Magicks of Megas-Tu"). ([2]; Star Trek Magazine issue 128, p. 46) In a 2003 video interview for StarTrek.com, Fontana also remarked that she thought this outing "was very good." [3]
- In the magazine Variety, this episode received a review that Samuel A. Peeples thought was both "absolutely incredible" and "incredibly positive." (Captains' Logs: The Unauthorized Complete Trek Voyages, p. 99; Starlog issue #124, p. 37)
- The editors of Trek magazine collectively scored this episode 1 out of 5 stars (a rating that they termed "poor"). (The Best of Trek #1, p. 111)
- In the unofficial reference book Trek Navigator: The Ultimate Guide to the Entire Trek Saga (p. 21), co-writer Mark A. Altman rates this episode 2 out of 4 stars (defined as "mediocre") while fellow co-writer Edward Gross ranks the episode 2 and a half out of 4 stars (defined as "average"). Altman describes the episode as "an unspectacular entry" with an "unremarkable" story and, despite recognizing "some nice touches" (counting the life-support belts among them), he laments a lack of "new" elements in the installment, finding that aliens hijacking the Enterprise has been done too much and that the episode's only innovative aspect is the design of the pod ship. Altman concludes, "It's enough to leave one longing for Sybok and Star Trek V: The Final Frontier." Gross agrees that much about the episode has been seen before but also comments, "Samuel Peeples [...] has taken the animated format and attempted to concoct a script whose sheer scale is unlike anything that could have been accomplished in the live-action show back in the 1960s." Gross also describes the alien's loneliness-fearing pleas at the end of the episode to be "a bit touching" but ultimately, considering the entity's other actions, "too little too late."
Additional Information Edit
- This episode was adapted for a novelization, written by Alan Dean Foster, published in Ballantine Books' Star Trek Log 1 (along with "Yesteryear" and "One of Our Planets Is Missing").
- A limited-edition collector's animation cel inspired by this episode was once available from Filmation. (A Trekker's Guide to Collectibles, p. 46) The cel was number "ST-16" and illustrated the Enterprise drifting in between the massive pod ship. [4]
- A Daren Dochterman illustration of the pod ship is featured in the Ships of the Line book (pp. 70-71), a publication that is made up of images from the related calendars.
Video and DVD releases Edit
- UK VHS release (CIC Video): Volume 1, catalog number VHR 2535, 6 December 1991
- As part of the The Animated Series LaserDisc collection.
- As part of the The Animated Series DVD collection.
Links and references Edit
Starring Edit
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Also starring Edit
- George Takei as Hikaru Sulu
- Nichelle Nichols as Uhura
- James Doohan as:
Background charactersEdit
300 million years ago; absolute zero; artificial gravity; automatic bridge defense system; bee; brain; cargo hold; cutter beam; core hatch; corpuscle; Earth; Earth normal; engineering core; flank speed; force field; G1 star; galactic plane; galactic coordinate; gravimetric slingshot; honeycomb; hypergravity; insect; insectoid; insectoid ship; life support belt; life support system; log entry; logic; magnetic organism; memory bank; Milky Way Galaxy;mitosis; mutual override; navigation console; negative mass; neutron star; primate; probability; Questar M-17; radio; red alert; self-destruct device; slingshot effect; spectra analysis; spider; star chart; static shield; symbiotic lifeform; warp drive
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The Phils look to make it four in a row today. After two abysmal games against the Mets earlier in the week, they've been playing much better ball in their last few, especially in this Atlanta series, where they've looked like the team we've grown accustom to seeing in recent seasons. So far, they've had a late inning comeback anchored by a couple of dingers, which, coupled with shutdown relief pitching, resulted in a win on Friday.
Yesterday, they received a brilliant outing from Cliff Lee, and the bullpen once again dominated the Braves hitters to finish it off. It's a formula that has worked well for the Phillies in the past, and one they'll surely try to stick with going forward. At eight games back from the second wild card spot, chances are slim for the playoffs. But if they can continue to play the way they have so far against Atlanta, they'll make it much easier on themselves.
On the bump is ace left-hander Cole Hamels, who is making the start after missing his last outing with a stomach bug. Hamels has fared pretty well against Atlanta so far this season, going 1-1 with a 2.25 ERA in three starts. He did have, however, have what was probably his worst start of the season in Atlanta last month, allowing five runs–three earned–over five innings and walking a career-high six. He has since thrown a shutout against the Bravos and should be his usual self today.
LINEUP: Rollins SS, Pierre LF, Utley 2B, Howard 1B, Mayberry CF, Nix RF, Frandsen 3B Kratz C, Lee P
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Man it will suck if the wildcard came down to one game. Mini Mart batting 2 outs bases loaded 9th inning. Stuff nightmares are made off.
Walk off HBP, if we're lucky.
I know Charlie makes some funny decisions sometimes, but I'm pretty sure he'd bring in a pinch hitter for that….
So many things and games you could look back on, but this start today REALLY just sickens you about those 2 losses to the mets this week. I mean it was a HUGE longshot anyway, but, you know.
meanwhile, this Milwaukee club, like the Phils has done a nice job of hanging around the wildcard fringes. What's 1 more club to pass when you're having fun.
To heck with Mario Mendoza, it's time to establish a new "Martinez Line".
Im not gonna jinx it. But I'm looking forward to a s—-! Plus, a win today, coupled with a Pirates and Cardinals loss, will leave us 7 out of the 2nd WC?! Go Phils!
I don't care what argument there is for Mini-Mart, but he needs to go…immediately. Bring up Ruf. Give him a shot. I hope Frandsen didn't tweak his ankle, guy is doing great. Go away Mini-Mart.
I was talking to some stat geek about a month ago. He claimed that 75 at-bats is the criteria for qualifying for worst batting average of all time. Anybody know about that? Mini-mart has a good shot at it.
I don't know where they got that qualifier from, but I just did a web search for things like worst batting average ever, and came up empty. So if it's 75 AB's, it's news to me.
What I came up with is like a foreign language to the question, the worst 50 seasons full-time (Mini won't qualify), and if you glance at the individual numbers, you'll see how distantly poor his numbers are to these abominations.
Every page I see, says that it is the same as the qualification for the batting crown, which is 502. I believe it is Rob Deer that has the worst batting average for a season in the modern era using that criteria.
Either way, Mini Mart has the worst batting average of any non-pitcher that I can remember.
Sorry for the unbridled rant where I upbraided Mini-Mart, he just get under my skin like a splinter laced with battery acid. ; )
I have no problem with Mini-Mart himself. He tries his best. He just should not be in the Major Leagues. Fans should get 1/9th of their ticket price back whenever he appears in a game.
I mean, really….is MiniMart THAT much more of an advantage batting right than Laynce Nix batting left?? So I Iooked it up…
Nix against lefties for his career: .184
MiniMart batting right against lefties for his career: .169
Not that much of a difference but still….. I just don't get it.
Mini Mart offers very little offense. I really miss Hector Luna. He had something special and now he will shine for someone else.
What "something special" did Hector Luna have as a member of the Phillies???
chuck A that something special you're asking about? could it be that he's a much better ballplayer?
Moments like this really make me hate Tom McCarthy.
And Papelbom.
morris someone could fart two blocks away from me and that would make me hate McCarthy! it wouldn't take much at all my friend.
I can only say that every red sox fan I know was thrilled to lose Paplebomb
theres always tomorrow
WTF!!!!! Papelbum!!!!!!!!!! I'm beyond furious. We had the game locked with a four run lead and could have made up a game in the wild card. I gotta take a walk.
Big guy personally i think cholly should have started a different pitcher in the ninth. horst finished the seventh, pitched a strong eight. and that should have been it! he's done this all stinkin year and it burns us every time! i will say though that paps had bourn struck out on that check swing! the replay showed his bat crossed the plate. i said to my boys when i saw that . we're gonna lose on a chipper homer you watch.
"I said to my boys when i saw that . we're gonna lose on a Chipper homer you watch."
My man, Ryne Duren first in line for "Goat of the Game" honors.
You gotta be Brave to confess to that to a madder than hell readership.
And I thought it was Papelbon's fault.
Terrible loss today. Unbelievable!! What are the odds of losing a 4 run lead with 2 outs in the 9th inning? Maybe he should have brought Papelbon to face Janish but Papelbon really hasn't been that good this year. He is has been an average closer at best. You can't even say that he has been overworked. He didn't pitch yesterday.
Odds of losing a 4 run lead with 2 outs in the 9th and men on 1st and 2nd?
After Heyward's flyout to start the inning the chance of losing was 0.5%
He blew a game with the playoffs on the line for the Red Sox last year. HE is the one player they should have put on waivers and walked away. He is a head case who still thinks he can blow away quality major league hitters with an average fastball. He's a disgrace. P.S. To anyone that thought Frandsen could play third base as a starter- rewatch this nightmare.
Venting is understandable, but "disgrace" is a bit strong. He's having a pretty good year. (not $12 mil good).
It's never wise to throw logic at someone when they're pissed, but Papelbon (at least from what I remember) was pretty shot by that last Oriole game last year from overuse, which wasn't overuse, because it was kinda sorta necessary, or panic induced. But, that's history.
What's not history is his future. The guy essentially throws 2 pitches, a 4 seamer, and a 2 seamer. He's "babied," for lack of another word to protect his shoulder. But as he gets older, and the seamers slow down, in a home run park, hold your stamina because there's plenty of bitching to come.
I may wind up wrong, but they missed the boat on this guy.
Ken (not picking on you, it's a common perception), CBP is really not much of a home run park.
Over the last 5 years, there have been about as many home runs in the Phillies home games as in their away games in the other parks.
He pitches like he did in 2007- believe me I watch a lot of NESN. Only he doesn't possess a 97mph fastball anymore and doesn't appear at all to have the guile to realize it and develop another pitch.
Is Polly so banged up that he can't even play a few innings at 3rd late in the game?
I heard that he can only pinch hit because of his back.
That was a painful loss. Not just pap's fault. We can score 5 in one inning and coast out the rest?!
His guile with pitching fast balls on the zone has cost us at least 2 games.
See below.
True, but not what you really wanted to hear in the post game…
Papelbon refused to overstate the impact of one loss.
"I wouldn't say it's a crushing loss," Papelbon said. "We've had a lot of losses this year. We've had a lot of chances to sweep teams."
I wonder what you describe a loss where you lead 7-1 in the third as if not crushing, almost no matter where your season is. Oh, well. The Phils are gonna get crushed tomorrow, so what the hey.
In addition to being overrated as a closer he is also an idiot, additional proof given by his post-game remarks. No tears were shed in Boston when he walked and I have been decrying this signing for months now. RAJ has got to to find a way to shed this contract this winter.
Whether an NFL regular or replacement official read what I'm about to say, they'd flag this as piling on, and I'd plead guilty as hell, but ask me if I care. But to paraphrase Papelbon's statement, it's not a crushing "story," or opinion that prevents me from being objective about the guy.
In spring training, some of the players were in the locker room, and Papelbon was messing with Cliff Lee's kid, whom I think is 10, maybe 11. He challenged him to do something, like throw a ball through a ring, or something kinda like that. Junior Lee, or Jaxson, if you're scoring by accuracy, succeeded at the task, and Papelbon fulfilled his promise to the kid and laid a crisp 100 dollar bill in his young hand.
I guess soemwhere in this favored land, a kid that age could accomplish some task that even in inflationary times was worth a C Note. But, admittedly not knowing the exact challenge, I may be out of line, but it rubbed me the wrong way that Papelbon was laying an excessive amount of cash in a young kid's hand, and creating a delusion about the value of a c note. I know there are a million ways to blow that thinking apart, including that perhaps with the money Cliff makes, maybe that's a pittance (I kinda doubt it based on Cliff's public personna, but that's a guess), but that just rubbed me the wrong way. Same as asking for the extra 58 bucks on his contract to match his uni number. I don't hate the guy, but he's not terribly easy for me to root for.
Those guys just live in a different world, I guess.
I don't believe any athlete ever wants to describe a loss as "crushing". They're trained their entire careers to mantain a positive attitude, visualize success, etc. Their focus needs to be the next game, and negative thoughts and dwelling on a loss like that are not going to be very helplful.
And as long as they are successful in putting it behind them, it's also true — it's just one loss.
I literally just found out the Phillies lost… had to run to the grocery store in the 8th inning, checked my phone – the Fangraphs App – Phillies had a 99% chance of winning with two outs in the 9th. I didn't check again… got busy doing some other things and then I honestly didn't believe what I read on the ESPN Crawl… thought I might have been watching an ESPN Classic or something where they were showing old crawl stories… I feel like I've been punched in the gut. To say that I'm shocked is a huge understatement. What the hell happened? I mean… what the hell happened? That's not even excusable. No offense, CS but it is Pap's fault. The Braves have the best bullpen in baseball – that is their strength and one of the primary reasons why they're where they are in the standings. We tagged the starting pitcher for 7 runs and that should be enough when you have Cole Hamels on the mound. I was actually thinking that Charlie could make a statement by running Papelbon out there to start the 9th… you would do that if this was a one-game playoff. You wouldn't risk going with someone else when you have Papelbon's arm ready. Regardless, Papelbon has to shut it down. There's no other way around it. This is a devastating loss – the ink was nearly dry on the local news reports – probably more than a few starting to get the buzz going about the possibility of this team making a run and instead, the reports will be that this game is the one that effectively ended the forgetful 2012 season.
I can't believe that after 17 years of watching Chipper f'n Jones murder this team that anyone would be surprised at what happened, or place blame on any Phils player. Are you gonna blame every single managerial move, and every single pitcher over a time span of 17 years?
Why can't people -just for once- just accept that this guy is really good, and he beats our asses over and over and over.
Isn't remotely possible that he is just THAT good, and it wouldn't matter if we had Casey Stengel managing and Cy Young on the hill? Thank god the SOB will be retired soon. Tough beat tonight, they have to get off the mat, and get ready to play a day game tomorrow.
I agree that Jones is a great player. And great players often make pitchers paid for their mistake with a pitch they wish they could take back. We know Jones has that reputation of taking aggressive swings on fastballs. On hindsight, Papelbon probably wished he threw one of his rare breaking ball (and does showed that in relief) to Jones.
Prior to his at bat, we saw the saw the situation unfold alarmingly when Frandsen (where is Polanco?) let the ball played him when he backed up on a grounder and it went by him for a two run double. Had he field it cleanly would Jones have that opportunity to be a hero (again)?
Lefty, I 100000000% agree. Gotta give Chipper props here.
No question you have to give Chipper a lot of credit for the upteenth time.
But asking people to look at it solely from that angle is asking a lot.
Normally, in a ballgame, you can look back on a multitude of events, like runners left, failure to execute a fundamental, and attribute the loss to that, no matter how early in the game it was, as opposed to thee play of the game.
But the fact of the matter is that the came down to the last at bat, and where the percentages favor the pitcher at somewhere between 6 to 8 out of 10, Papelbon not only failed to keep him in the park to do no worse than allow the Braves to tie, he located the ball to where Larry hit it out. The guy now has 6 losses and 4 blown saves, and will work about 80 innings max for the year. Heath Bell might kill for a year like that, but even if you start blaming the defense, or the offense not being able to bail him out in last at bats, that's not very good.
I can't tell you when it's appropriate to look at prior parts of the game and allow those to be the ones to piss you off. Nor can I precisely tell you when to give the opponent credit. I've focussed those ways many, many times. It just "feels" more appropriate in this instance to bypass everything that happened when the last batter stood in. He had a chance to deliver.
To save Frandsen, to counter things like failing to score more after Hamels 2 rib double.
He failed. I'd say that outweighs Larry winning the game.
Larry used to be an innocent enough name. This guy has changed all that.
KenB, It may be asking a lot, but for a historian type like yourself it should be easy to understand how many of these stories there are:
On July 10th 1995 the Baltimore Orioles released a 32 year old pitcher whose best days were clearly behind him, he'd gone 0-4 with a 7.39 ERA for them. Since you seem to like real first names, we'll call him Charles Sidney Fernandez. (El Sid) . After suffering a knee injury in 1993, he simply was not the same pitcher he had once been for the New York Mets. But three days after his release, he was picked up by the Phillies and ended up pitching very well for the rest of that season going 6-1 with a 3.34 ERA, which brings us to that one loss.
On August 1st the Phillies faced the Braves and Sid was going along just fine until he got into trouble in the bottom of the 5th. Now I don't know how many pitches Sid had thrown to that point, but clearly after allowing two walks squeezed between a sac bunt and a strikeout in that inning before "Larry" came up, he was gassed. That day we argued about Fregosi letting him pitch to the young upstart "Larry" just as we do today. While there wasn't a first base open to argue about, they could have pitched around him to try their luck with McGriff or Justice but that made no sense either. So Chipper did what Chipper has done so many times thereafter, he hit it out of the Vet to tie the game at 3. And we were very upset with Fregosi.
The Phils did not lose that day as they used 7 relievers in the last 4 innings to hold off the Braves 4-3 but it was the first of the "who to blame for letting Larry almost/ or just plain ruin our day" stories. There are hundreds more, and they all end the same, "that damn Chipper got us again" My point is that there comes a time after all these years when you just have to say, it wasn't so much about how or why we lost, but more about how the best man won.
EDIT: I should have proofread before hitting the button, my bad-
It wasn't a loss for Sid, and it was at Atlanta, not home.
When Martin Prado's grounder skipped past third baseman Kevin Frandsen who backed up on it and let the ball played him for a two-run double, giving Jones the opportunity for his walkoff HR, I wondered to myself this thought: why the manager didn't put in the gold glover, Polanco for late inning defensive replacement before the last inning?
We have seen Frandsen made some misplays with his throws and his glove in the past. Unless Polanco is hurting (then he should stay on the DL), Manuel should know better than to leave Frandsen in the game. After all, no lead is safe in CBP.
"After all, no lead is safe in CBP." There aren't any more runs scored in the Phillies' home games than in the away games in other parks. CBP is one of the most neutral parks in baseball in terms of being hitter-friendly or pitcher-friendly.
Bourne was struck out plain and simple. Umpire missed that last pitch big time.
Lefty, Chuck A., et al,
Jones is definitely, based on games I have watched over the years, the number one killer versus the Phillies. I might be wrong because I don't have stats handy, but from what is etched in my hops-filled brain, he's done the best job of sticking the dagger in and turning it. This was a comment on ESPN last night:
"Chipper Jones produced an .872 WPA on the game-winning home run, which is probably the highest WPA play I've ever seen. To compare, Brooks Conrad's grand slam against the Reds in 2010 was worth .803. It nearly doubles Chipper's previous high WPA play going back to when FanGraphs starts recording the data in 2002."
That being said, Frandsen's error, while costly, did not essentially lose the game. There were still two outs, and it was still 7-5, with Psycho-Tron on the mound. Without looking at a scouting report, but relying on common baseball knowledge amongst players that the man comin up to hit is the leading switch hitter in homeruns and had crushed ones early in countless situations, at this point I'd be thinking, I'm giving this deadly, proven clutch hitter nothing to hit, or if I'm challenging him like a psycho, then I'm blowing perfect heat by him, makin it a point to not leave the ball elevated. Paps may have thirty-some saves, but this one and the previous one versus the Mets have done more than lost a game, they have killed any groove(since apparently momentum doesn't exist in baseball) the team was getting locked into. I think he is an average to above average closer, but not worth his ridiculous contract. Maybe it's his stupid CincoOcho personality that bothers me. I can see blowing a save in a tight game- it happens to the best of closers, but this guys unravels at the worst times. Ok, I feel better now that I vented. Let's sweep the Reds and pull a streak like they did in Oakland.
P.S. is Schwimmer still AWOL? Did Papelbum ever pay Thome for his bailing him out?
"Psycho-Tron" I'm literally laughing out loud. I feel the same way you do about him, Cinco-Ocho = certifiable.
Oh, and that stat you are wondering about. Maybe Shmenkman can help us but, Chipper's lifetime stats vs each team can be accessed on BBRef career splits. His OPS v. the Phillies is an astounding 1.041, while his career is .933, but if you take games against the Phils out, then that number goes down. So yes he elevates his game when playing Philadelphia. And in my mind is the all time Phillie Killer, with everyone on the Big Red Machine a close second.
This is the page you're talking about.
In reply to both this from Ed, and Lefty's El Cid story….
The game was NOT worth using to read Lefty's pictures, descriptions and accounts of the 1993 game versus the Braves. But it came close.
There would have been 1 additional edit needed even if the game had been played at the Vet. I don't think anyone ever hit a ball out of there. Picky, picky, but those multi purpose stadia didn't allow for that. Least i don't think so.
The back of Larry's baseball card is blistering. He clearly has demolished both the Phils and Mets, a more tempered blistering against both the Dodgers and Nats (Spos). Funny thing about the Dodger "control", is when you think Dodgers, because of their history, it impulsively makes sense, but when you realize the LA club during Larry's career has been pretty routine for the most part, there's irony in them " controlling" him. Larry has an equal OPS V the Rocks, comped to the Phils, but a BA of like 20 less points, for whatever BA is worth. The bottom line is if you look at his baseballreference.com splits casually, the 2 clubs that he's dmaged the most are the Phils and Mets. So there's a lot of validity to Lefty's point (which I didn't deny anyway), but Papelbon still gets some wrath.
As for Big Ed, I hope you learned your lesson. Last night, you jinxed by saying you weren't going to create a jinx with the s word. Don't you know how jinxes work? When Larry Jones is on the field, don't even breathe any consonants or vowels in the s word.
As for your sweep the Reds encouragement, that'd be nice. Just because I feel like sharing my impulse, the way i look at it, Cueto, who of course is very good to begin with, pitched to good results at the Bank recently on a wet, uncomfortable mound. This will be the best lineup Cloyd has ever faced. It wouldn't be the first time a mismatch of the century didn't work out as planned, but it's one of these pretty rare games where I give the underdog like zero chance. I'm not naive enough to think they lose because of the way they lost last night, they bounced back from that 15-13 sham with one of their better games of the year when Stellar Joe shut ATL out, 4-0 in a day after day game. Who knows, but I'm pretty sure today's an L. Keep an eye on Zack Cosart at short. Jimmy's prolly not going anywhere at this point, but he's got some extent of replacement potential since full extent doesn't exsist in this market.
Signing Papelbon was a mistake. IMO you never give a closer a 4 year deal. With rare exceptions, their seasons run hot cold. Plus, if you start the season with with a closer and he doesn't pan out, you can always trade for a hot one at the deadline.
The Dipsy
Laughter's the best medicine, and, in the end, that is all we can do! I hope Cloyd throws a gem tonight, and we can get some runs across against Cueto and make this scramble for the second WC fun.
Holy crap. Woke up and saw we blew this game. It's a microcosm of the season. Ugh.
I'll repeat my earlier post on this thread …"Had he (Frandsen) field it cleanly would Jones have that opportunity to be a hero (again)?" Of course not. And Papelbon would not be vilified by posters here except for a few with a certain mindset against him.
it's becoming apparent (at least to me) that Frandsen is not an everyday player that Manuel is looking for unless Polanco stays with the team for next season. We missed the steady and reliable, if not spectacular fielding of Gold glover, Polanco. While his offensive output may be be diminished (injuries played a part here), Polanco provides that protection at the hot corner that a starting pitcher and team greatly appreciates regardless what the offense minded fans may think. Bring Polanco back!
Just a couple of thoughts: Do you bring back a player who likely will not spend most of his time on the DL? Polanco, even when playing, just isn't much offensively anymore, and with a bad back, his range and agility can only get worse.
And this one for the Dipsy: Please list the names of all those "hot" closers who have been traded mid-season. I'm sure there are a few, but saying you can always do it borders on the ridiculous. Plus, even if you can do it, a good closer will always cost a boatload of prospects. Please note, however, that none of that means I think Papelbon should have been signed for so long or for so much. Papelbon has been pretty good, but he was never worth what he'll be getting. My reaction at the time was basically "WTF?" Of course, my reaction to the rumored contract offer to Madson was precisely the same.
Your point about the Fransden play didn't fall on blind eyes. My personal take is they still had a lead, and control, but one teammate couldn't pick another up. Oh, well. Yesterday's news.
On Polly, bringing him back isn't so simple. He has a 5.5 mil mutual option. Say they want to decline it, and bring him back cheaper. That could excite him, but he's got a lot of friends and respect around the game, and could land a lot of places as a utility guy, including former employers St. Lou and Detroit. Maybe he wants to stay here, I don't know. He's such a health risk, but part of this would be '13 roster is too, for the same reason, age. prolly didn't tell ya anything ya aren't aware of.
Mindset? Forgive me if I hate it when my closer serves up a fastball right down the middle of the plate to a Hall of Fame hitter who proceeds to hit a walk off homer to win the game. I am prejudiced against that. Closer that get paid like Papelbon shut down the game even when career minor league guys playing out of position are making errors behind them. No excuses when you get paid that much.
The Dipsy
This I can certainly agree with. It wasn't just the home run, but Papelbon also walked a batter before giving up that "hit" that scored the first two. He plain stunk last night.
Papelbon's biggest problem to me is not his stuff, it's his lack of baseball acumen. You don't throw just fastballs to a hitter like Jones.
I agree with both of you. I can forgive an athletic error, (no matter how much someone is paid, because that's the payee's fault in my way of thinking) but there is no excuse for throwing that pitch on that count to that batter. Cinco-Ocho plays more with his machismo than his brain.
And now the little sally boy can't close the game today. I guess "why should he"? We're not playing for anything. Another thing about Papelbon – if your personality is as grating as his is – as he seems as if he believes that he's god's gift to closing – then you don't have games like yesterday. Rivera, Eck, Hoffman, Smith – those guys didn't ave games like Papsmear did yesterday.
The Dipsy
I didn't comment earlier for fear of jinxing us again today, but how about Cloyd? : ) Lol. Awesome stuff. Go Phils!
Frandsen went 2-4 today. I'll take his torrid hitting right now over an error, even if that error cost a run or two.
Cloyd was indeed outstanding. His first win and Aumont's first save in the same game. Might lighten some of the fan base up. I won't name names to protect myself. Club's won 11 of 16 now. You always have would have should have could haves mixed in, and they will most certainly keep on 'keepin' on, but through rose colored glasses, they aren't far from about 13-3 as they move toward the part of the schedule David mentioned. I'd mentioned that 13 game stretch recently and that it was combined with I think 13 games against "better" clubs, against whom they are now 3-1.
Regarding Smith, I assume you mean Lee Arthur Smith who pitched for the Cardinals and the Cubs. I was there in 1993 when Mariano Duncan hit a grand slam off of Smith to win a game 6-5. It happens.
Great win by Cloyd today. I don't think Papelbon has been demoted. I just think that Charlie decided that he needed the day off. He has to test DeFratus and Aumont and see how they respond to game situations. Today, they did the job.. He n eeds to give them more tests.
It's not likely the Phillies are playing for playoffs. It's tough being behind 7½ games behind two teams and 5½ games behind Pittsburgh. However, it's not over till it's over. This weekend, the Phillies start a 13 game stretch against teams with losing records starting with 3 against the Rockies and 4 against the Astros.
I dont want Polly back. I did at start of the season. I still have respect and admiration and still think Polly was a great player. At the same token i have no idea or suggestions to fill that 3B hole. Stuff like yesterday misplay can happen even to a gold glove 3baseman less likely but it can happen. People immediately fell in love with Frandsden and already had him penciled in as next year starter. I held reservations until i saw more of him. I think he might be a decent bench player, but in no way was i ready to ink him as a starter next year. Not just after a few games. Same way i think people think Cloyd is going to be next Glavine just after 2 games.
Would totally take Polly back as insurance at 2B 3B. Buy him out and sign him back for 1.5m? Would totally do that.
The Dipsy


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Skip to comments.The untold and unused power of Governors
Posted on 04/01/2011 11:39:37 AM PDT by OneWingedShark
Governors are more powerful than you might think; they could, today, radically change the political landscape for the country.
I will now show just one way a governor could do so.
Being that I live in New Mexico I will use that state in my examples; most states should have similar language in their Constitutions.
First, declare a state of invasion; the New Mexico State Constitution gives the Governor such authority:
|Art V, Sec. 4 - [Governors executive power; commander of militia.]
|The supreme executive power of the state shall be vested in the governor, who shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed. He shall be commander in chief of the military forces of the state, except when they are called in to the service of the United States. He shall have power to call out the militia to preserve the public peace, execute the laws, suppress insurrection and repel invasion.
Second, call upon the militia, both organized and unorganized [in the case of New Mexico], to enforce our southern borders security with lethal force.
|Art XVIII, Sec. 1 - [Composition, name and commander in chief of militia.]
|The militia of this state shall consist of all able-bodied male citizens between the ages of eighteen and forty-five, except such as are exempt by laws of the United States or of this state. The organized militia shall be called the national guard of New Mexico, of which the governor shall be the commander in chief.
Third, apply to the Federal government demanding that they send assistance in the form of protection from the foreign invaders just as the United States Constitution requires:
|Article 4, Section 4 - US Constitution
|The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
So, in conclusion, this course of action is very-much a win-win situation for us: we would be legally forcing the correct action of the government OR causing it to prove that it has no intention of upholding "its end of the deal," thereby forcing it to divest any pretense for the legitimacy of its authority. While the spin in the national media will likely be horrible, any governor that actually did something as daring as this would likely become an instant folk-hero.
For instance, the WI State Constitution says:
Article IV, Section 14. -- Filling vacancies.
The governor shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies as may occur in either house of the legislature.
meaning that the Governor could have said "the 'missing' Legislator's seats are obviously vacant, as they have left the state, so I will issue these writs of election."
The most sure-fire way to eviscerate our opposition is to follow the plain language of the Constitutions of both the Nation and the State we live in.
Governors have a lot more power than they think.
—as a generality, I would prefer that governors "powers" be limited to subjects such as the positioning of rolls of T. P in the restrooms in the capitol and the color thereof-——
>as a generality, I would prefer that governors powers be limited to subjects such as the positioning of rolls of T. P in the restrooms in the capitol and the color thereof-
Why the hell would you want *THAT*?
Governors with _real_ power are one check against a corrupt Federal Government.
I thought you guys might like to read this, or to know who would.
1. Lorianne - Makes perfect sense. Therefore, it doesn't stand a chance of happening.
2. OWS - Conflict among and between the various branches and levels of government were built into the Constitution as part of the separation of powers.
>2. OWS - Conflict among and between the various branches and levels of government were built into the Constitution as part of the separation of powers.
See my post 5.
"Call on the UN to feed" which means we'll be required to shuffle up about 1/4 to 1/2 of the total costs. We're doing that already, aren't we?
I've wondered about some of these exact questions. Thanks for the ping.
There is only one thing I would call on the UN to do.....
Get the heck out of the United States!
Thanks. If you develop a ping list for the consideration of these important issues, please include me anytime .
oops I meant lawlessness, not lack of lawlessness ... let me try this again.
Declare that the Mexican government is creating a climate of fear,and violence and lawlessness which is creating a refugee problem along their borders. Call on the UN to feed and house these refugess (ON THE MEXICAN SIDE OF THE BORDER)until such time as Mexico can get its government and law enforcement in order so that it can protect its own citizens.
Yes, that too.
But my point is to shame MEXICO by pointing out to the international community that they (MEXICO) are the ones causing a refugee problem on our border.
We are not causing the problem, MEXCICO IS, by not treating their citizens well
True, but we could make that point that we've already chipped in more than our share ... time for the rest of the world to deal with this refugee problem that MEXICO is creating.
Considering that 50 percent of our government is embracing socialism, demanding that we pay the bills for everyone else, I don't think it stands much of a chance.
Pehaps we are too far gone. I don't know.
But it's worth a try.
I refer to 'undocumented immigrants' from Mexico in our coutnry as REFUGEES. That puts the blame on Mexico, where it should be, for creating a situation where so many people feel they need to leave their homes, their families, their culture etc. If Mexico was a decent place to live, they wouldn't be here.
Plus I'm tired of Mexico blaming us for their own shortcomings. They should be shamed before the entire international community for the conditions inside their own bloody country.
How NM could change politics across the nation ping.
You'll need a governor with a real set of stones to call up the "unorganized" militia, but just calling them up would instill instant national folk-hero status.
Imagine ... the governor calls for all able-bodied citizens, ages 18-45, to report to the state capitol building by noon on Saturday. Every responding militia member must bring a serviceable centerfire rifle greater than .22 caliber with at least 200 rounds of ammunition for same. Sidearms may be brought as well but only rifles will be counted for militia duty. If the governor wants to be super cautious, the call-up could be limited to military veterans only, to weed out undesireables.
Additional call-up requirements could include camping gear (to include campers or Winnebagos), a knife or "well-scoured hatchet" (sorry, that was one of the old Minuteman requirements), food & water, ATVs, etc.
Even if the governor simply took names then disbanded them, just the sight of so many armed citizens ready to defend their state would make a potent statement!
The ramifications would be enormous! DO IT!
>>If Mexico was a decent place to live, they wouldnt be here.<<
I'm sure parts of Mexico are a decent place to live, the problem is that our Democrats ie. Socialists want them here because they'll vote for Democrats.
Look at our country and you'll see we have Democrats running the top offices in just about every major city. They write social programs that any poor person would be foolish not to sign up for. Food, housing, medical care, job training, college classes, abortions, you name it. There is hardly any enforcement against fraud at the local level, state or federal until it gets into the millions of dollars per month and demands justice. If you were a poor Mexican wouldn't you run for our border?
Then there's the money hungry drug cartels. A bunch of greedy, cold blooded, vicious killers using uneducated peons to do their dirty work. For who? For American drug addicts. Charlie Sheen is one example of the rot in America. The slob who lives in the ghetto is at the other end of the rot scale. Every school in America has teenagers who are drug dealers. The MS-13 gang runs drugs in just about every state in America. Why? Because Americans are stupid and get themselves addicted to using drugs. The pot heads who say they aren't addicted are idiots. Stop smoking pot for 90 days and I'll believe you aren't an addict.
Most of the problems we have in America are of our own doing. The firestorm over the budget deficit are our own doing. They are threatening to shut the government down on whether we should use a cup or a two gallon bucket to put the fire out. We expect them to use 8" fire hoses but that's never going to happen. We're in doo-doo up to our chins and yet we refuse to stand on the ladder to get our arms free.
End of rant/ Stop here
While I agree this should be done, we must acknowledge that New Mexico has limited road access to the border and thus limited opportunity to facilitate the invasion unlike Texas or Arizona.
We must also acknowledge that while the Governor can do theses things it will cost we the Tax payer money. Money that we had been paying Federal Taxes for the Federal goverment to do.
That is so funny...you have no idea...I am not making fun of you but trust me it is not possible to shame Mexico into doing anything. You have to look at this from Mexico's point of view- Mexico is exporting drugs to us, which benefits not only their economy but with all the necessary bribes individual politicians and many others make tons of money from drug payoffs. Mexico also exports their poor people to us in the form of illegals- make no mistake about it they actively encourage their people to leave and even assist them. Exporting the poor people to us saves them tons of money. Think about it- if something is not only making you a lot of money but is also saving you a lot of money would you be eager to stop it? If you want to talk shame, the wealthy people in Mexico make fun of how stupid we are to support most of their poor people, and give them so many rights. We are the ones that should be ashamed to be used like we allow our country to be used.
This is true, and it only adds to the shame that would be incurred by the federal government if they fight against their own obligations, or even stalling, rather than doing what they should.
""We must also acknowledge that while the Governor can do theses things it will cost we the Tax payer money. Money that we had been paying Federal Taxes for the Federal goverment to do."
This is true, and it only adds to the shame that would be incurred by the federal government if they fight against their own obligations, or even stalling, rather than doing what they should."
It is a matter of no insignificance the fraud of a "Federal goverment" that has developed in Washington D.C. over the last few hundred years.
Compared to a seemingly endless stream of other usurpation ranging from right to work, to roe v. wade the border failure seems almost a minor conservancy.
From Washington we pay out the gazoon for things we never consented to, while those which we did consent to and demand as their core responsibility go ignored.
In the trillions of dollars they take form us each year you would think they would find money to do more of their basic constitutionally enumerated jobs. Rather then squandering most of it on unauthorized usurpation of our rights, and the rights we have ceded only to our State Governments.
The courts no longer uphold the constitutions of the States nor the Federal constitution. The elite (oligarchy) "do as they wilt." The serfs have no rights.
>It is right and good what you propose but it depends on a missing element - the judicial branch.
Actually it doesn't; the judicial branch cannot rule that an explosion of illegal immigrants are not conduction an invasion (per dictionary definition) without giving aid to those very illegal immigrants which is the Constitution's definition of treason.
>The courts no longer uphold the constitutions of the States nor the Federal constitution.
Which is why strict pursuit of Justice and a hope that it will satisfy The Creator and Destroyer of Nations is what we as-a-nation must do.
>The elite (oligarchy) do as they wilt. The serfs have no rights.
This is why they ridicule and disparage things like jury nullification and citizen-formed Grand juries.
A Grand Jury using its investigative & presentment powers is a powerful check against officially sanctioned criminal conduct.
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"Governors have a lot more power than they think."
Let's hope when they find out how much power they have, they have the courage to implement it.
Calling to the capitol would be difficult for many. The militia requirement is that citizens have weapons, not cars.
The old statutes generally required people to know their mustering point, and militia leaders in advance, a practice that has fallen into disrepair.
Some states still have militia districts on their maps, but it is doubtful that anyone knows theirs, or where the mustering point would be, and there is no procedure in place for electing captains, etc.
A good substitute would be to order all members to report to their local fire station, as most would know where that was. OTOH, this could result in smaller groups of disorganized people who could then be targeted before they became effective.
Still, I think you have a point.
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The state of Idaho is pretty much one, big militia.
Even worse 50% of our voters seem to like it too.
Not one single incumbent congress person has been defeated, and the approval for congress is around 11%.
Well then we should just eat our peas.
Well then we should just eat our peas.
I'll admit, that is a burr under my saddle. We need term limits!
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An Israeli woman talks on the phone after collecting gas masks for her family in a shopping mall in Jerusalem in this Aug. 22 photo.
TEL AVIV – Did you know:
- If a bomb explodes near you with a little bang, that's a sign it is carrying chemical or biological weapons? A loud bang means a conventional warhead.
- If an attack is chemical, you will know right away? But if it's biological you'll only find out after a few days.
- If it is nuclear, you should lie down and cover your head? And don't get up when the first blast wave passes over you because it will be followed by a second wave.
Useful, eh?
All these facts are good to know if you are in Israel and war with Iran, and its proxies Hezbollah and Hamas, were to break out around you.
Report: Iran mulls 'pre-emptive attack' against Israel; commander warns of 'World War III'
Or if something happened with Syria, Iran's ally, which has large stockpiles of biological and conventional weapons.
With the latest opinion polls showing that half of Israelis fear for the continued existence of their state if war breaks out with Iran, and with more than half rating the chance of such a war within a year as "medium" or "high," the more you know about what the war would entail, the better.
Here are some more facts:
- If you suck a bead made of castor oil, it could kill you. It contains ricin, a lethal poison.
- After Chernobyl, it took 25 years before Welsh sheep could be eaten because the nuclear radiation settled over Wales as it drifted most of the way round the world.
- And cigarettes contain polonium 210, the poison used to murder the Soviet ex-spy Alexander Litvinenko.
Probably no country in the world is as prepared as Israel for such an attack, with every home built in the last 21 years possessing a mandatory bomb shelter. City centers have vast public shelters with special rooms set up for non-conventional attacks. And citizens are instructed in how to protect their bomb shelters against chemical and biological warfare.
Mistakes happen
But mistakes can happen, as I can personally attest.
One evening in the winter of 1991 during the first Gulf War, with Iraqi Scud missiles rocketing over Jordan toward Israel, the bomb alarm sounded. My family quickly locked themselves in our bomb shelter, and I raced through the dark, silent streets to broadcast from our NBC News studio.
Israel's Netanyahu: Draw 'clear red line' to stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons
This had become routine. I spent all night in the studio, responding to the many alarms, and went home around 5a.m. I didn't check on the family because I knew where the Scuds had fallen and none were near my home.
This one time, however, with 30 minutes to go before my next live broadcast hit, I had a sense that something was wrong. For the first time after an attack, I called home to see how my wife and my three sons, all aged below six, were faring.
In an attempt to convey what he sees as a threat to Israel's existence, Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu used a cartoon to illustrate how close he says Iran is to developing a nuclear weapon. In a speech at the United Nations General Assembly he asked the world to help stop them. NBC's Andrea Mitchell reports.
No answer. I called again. No answer. Twenty-five minutes to go before my next "live hit" on TV with Tom Brokaw. I felt sick with worry. What could have happened?
I ran downstairs, jumped into my car and raced home. I figured a 10-minute drive, five minutes at home and 10 minutes back, I'd be in the studio with seconds to spare.
Life-saving decision
Ends up, because of that calculation, I saved my family's lives.
When the all-clear sounded, my wife, our three sons, my sister-in-law and the dog, a schnauzer called Tofi, couldn't get out of the shelter.
The heavy steel lock would not budge. They hung on it and pulled and tried and tried but could not open the door. When I arrived home, about two hours after they had entered the bomb shelter, I heard faint cries of "help, help."
Instead of pushing the handle up, they had been pulling it down, locking it instead of opening it.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu tells the UN general assembly Thursday that sanctions are not stopping Iran's nuclear program.
I was able to open the door from the outside and all was well.
But if I had stuck to my usual routine and not called home and just returned at 5 a.m., after leaving them at 8 p.m. the night before, they would have been dead.
It's simple math: An adult breathes about one cubic meter of air per hour, children more. Five people in a small room of about nine cubic meters would begin to lose air after two hours. Seven hours? They'd have all been dead.
A miracle? Sixth sense? Whatever, it's a warning of what can go wrong in times of stress. And however prepared Israelis are for what awaits them, accidents happen. When Iraq attacked Israel in 1991, far more people died of heart attacks than Scud rockets.
Country on edge
Since that time, every apartment built in Israel must have a blast-proof room that protects citizens from conventional blasts and also, with plastic and tape, can protect against chemical and biological weapons too. Walls and doors are approximately 8-12 inches thick and doors and windows are airtight.
Every citizen has, in theory, a gas mask. In practice, there aren't enough to go around.
Everybody asks, do you think there will be war with Iran? Nobody knows, and if you see Israel's crowded cafes, the bustling streets, the crammed beaches, you may think that nobody cares.
Yet Israel is a country on edge. Most seem to have bought Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's line that the price to pay to stop Iran from building a nuclear bomb is much lower than the price to be paid if Iran has the bomb.
Fueling those thoughts are memories of what happened when the Nazis killed 6 million Jews. Today, there are approximately 6 million Jews in Israel. Few Israelis can argue against Netanyahu's insistence of: Never again.
And yet, I don't know anyone here who has prepared their bomb shelter. They're all a mess, used to store boxes, suitcases, footballs and wine. They are used as computer rooms, bicycle storage, play rooms. The attitude is, for the most part, we'll worry about it when the time comes.
Until then, live life.
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A Texas court has banned sales of Microsoft Word and copies of Microsoft Office containing word until a final decision is reached in a copyright infringement trial. Microsoft has 60 days to cease sales.
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Microsoft also faces more damages over willful infringement
Microsoft's Office 2003 and 2007 wove XML into Word, with the introduction of .docx, otherwise known as
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