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On February 4, 2009, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs William Burns met with P-5+1 counterparts to discuss the approach that the international community will take toward Iran. When asked about Iran, Secretary Clinton said, "Iran has an opportunity to step up and become a productive member of the international community. As President Obama said, we are reaching out a hand, but the fist has to unclench."
How ought the international community engage national regimes to transform from pariahs to partners?
Klint in Washington writes:
3 things come to mind..
Handle them individually. Though I despise these bullies, painting them with just one brush can hurt long term attempts to remove these cancers of humanity. They still must be identified and the world reminded of them.
Do what can be done to identify and share with the world who their support locally and perhaps internationally are. These people probably don't work alone and exposing the actual infrastructure vs. aiming it at one person may provide some help in getting some progress made.
Consider offering training refugees/escapees of these problem nations in regards to infrastructure creation and maintenance, medical etc to help turn the stress on their host countries to a benefit. To help the transition perhaps have initial years doing public support work in parts of their host country as part of a pay/scholarship agreement program. This will have additional benefit of positive press for democratic change in regards to their originating country. And perhaps also offer training things in regards to warfare should that card of desperation have to be played as their language and familiarity would be an obvious benefit.
Eric in New Mexico writes:
Well folks, I think I have a practical answer to this and I do believe President Obama will appreciate the metaphorical and litteral approach presented here, since there's going to be a puppy in the Whitehouse.
It is the nature of puppies to make messes, some of which stink and are deemed socially unacceptable to humans.
So house-training the puppy becomes the first step towards its evolution as a man's best friend.
In order to do this effectively, one must speak the puppy's language.
It serves no useful purpose to talk in rational terms and try to explain things, nor plead with, or yell at the puppy to go against his nature, as puppies will do what puppies do regardless of any attempted human diplomacy.
Nor does it do any good to beat the puppy half to death in anger, you'll simply confuse him as he won't understand why you are doing so since he's simply being a puppy.
Now anyone who has observed the meeting of minds between canines will note that they wag tail on approach, stand head to tail side by side and sniff each other.
This is olfactory communication at it's most refined among the species.
So the practical method for housetraining the puppy involves the olfactory experience of your displeasure with the mess he's just made on your carpet by rubbing his nose in it and evicting him from the house on a case by case basis.
You can't cut the puppy any slack, and the method must be consistantly applied every time he makes a mess till he finally understands. In this process you can pretty well determine the puppy's general level of intelligence by how many times it takes till he gets the message and evolves out of his mess making phase into a proper and respectable dog.
Now maybe some folks reading this may be a little confused as to how this applies to pariahs among the family of nations, so I've included an interpretation for those having a failure of imagination.
The carpet is the fabric of civilized society, and the house holds the family of nations under under one roof in NYC. The messes consist of a miriad of crimes against humanity.
I remember when my dog Paco felt the irresistable urge to raid my neighbor's chicken coop, and my neighbor politely presented his now dead prize rooster, and informed my father that he would simply shoot my dog the next time he came on the property.
My Dad then tied the dead rooster around Paco's neck with bailing wire, and left it there till it rotted off. Needless to say Paco had no house privilages for a very long time. But he never, ever raided another chicken coop again as long as he lived.
I'll leave it to Undersecretary Burns and "the powers that be" in government as to how Paco's example may be best deemed applicable in regards to engaging the world's leading state sponsor of terror.
Brenda in Maryland writes:
The first step is to take the time to carefully listen to their concerns, understand and accept their culture and embrace our differences. The U.S.A. has for too long imposed our culture on other nations. We have to give up something to gain something.
Joe in Tennessee writes:
Iran is not like much of what we view as the Middle East. Even Russian diplomats make that well known. They have a strong and formal culture. They are regimented and organized with a history which has affected the entire world in productive manners and they realize this. They do not view themselves as anything other than perhaps the most civilized people in their part of the world and well they may be.
Please view the history: http://www.mideastweb.org/iranhistory.htm
Iran has been deluged with Russian, American and British intervention for over eight decades, as well as their own internal problems which may well have been instigated for foreign interest. No wonder they are unpredictable. Did anyone even think of this? How would you feel? God, the civil war is just ending here in America. It is the minority who is controlling the majority, and the majority has only the past to premise false fuel to put on our Diplomatic efforts. Combined with Russia who has been overtly antagonistic in all areas in which America has interest.
FREE TRADE with the International community is THE ANSWER or they will be subjugated to Russia. If the people want to be and Independent Nation, they must realize this or be made to understand it.
To be independent, which they have the ability to; they must integrate into the International community in a profitable manner. What is so hard about that? Are they so insecure they need a foreign power to be independent? Apparently they are caught up in believing so without due cause. They have natural resources a well educated population and a strong work force.
First know civilization by 500 years over Egypt; the first known empire; probably the inventors of free global trade; Insurance by Government; Weight, Money and Measurements were standardized in Persia; the first known bricks for construction; windmills; chess; one of the earliest Legal Codes in the world; the first Tax System; noodles were first invented in Persia;from housing to food to engineering, they have had a vast influence on all of us.
It is this proud history of productivity and invention which the world needs to extract again. They have created their own chains this time and must realize it is not the United States or Israel who is subjugating them.
Zharkov in U.S.A. writes:
Group therapy by the "international community" is best left for the U.N. Making friends out of enemies is always a one-on-one adventure for each national leader.
The Chinese are skilled in turning enemies into friends, bigotry into tolerance, and landscape into food, so I would follow their example, as did president Nixon, who went to China to make friends.
What China taught us seems to have been forgotten.
If you are a president, you go to a nation's leader and ask him, in a diplomatic way, what his problems are generally, and then specifically what is problem is with us, and why we can't be friends.
Once we are friends, we give friendly advice, such as, stop flooding the world with counterfeit currency, or stop borrowing so much money that can never be repaid, or stop stuffing our foreign aid into his personal Swiss bank accounts, stop using our weapons on the neighbors, etc.
He will, of course, ask us to stop funding opposition groups to overthrow him, stop propaganda against his government, stop assassinating his ministers, stop the embargo against his country, and stop the World Bank from destroying his nation's economy.
Naturally, there are some things even a politician won't do, and at that point the magic ends. A pariah without a conscience or ethics or common sense is not going to change merely because we ask. There has to be some sort of humanity remaining in the pariah government for diplomacy to work, and some pariahs just don't have it.
There will always be some places in the world that are better left alone. Iran was once such a place and we messed them up really well, so now instead of an anti-communist government, we face an anti-human government that beats women, executes children, and kidnaps tourists. Had we left them alone to begin with, they would not likely be on our list of pariah states today. Sometimes less engagement is better.
Aidara in New York writes:
First, congratulate the state on an issue that it has successfully tackled within its country or the local area. Second, segue into how the state can play a role in improving relations within the larger community. It must be stated who in the international community feels the need for the national regime to transform and why, perhaps reps from those countries should be there as well (this should be executed in a manner that is easily recognized in that country's culture as comfortable or friendly). The members should include neighboring states so that the target nation feels an immediate interest in fixing the issue. Third, it must be stated how this transformation will benefit the respective state and its relationship with its neighbors and the broader community. Fourth, it must be stated how the present condition of the state negatively affects or undermines the state's affairs with its neighbors and the broader community and the state's national interests. The focus should always be on the country and how it can improve its status in the broader community, in this way it will not feel as if someone is demeaning or bullying it. One must preface these suggestions with why an improved version of that state is meaningful to the rest of the community. By giving examples of how such a transformation has improved another state's political and economic relationships, one doesn't have to tell the state what will happen if it doesn't comply. We must keep the ball in the states court and approach the situation as an advocate, not as an expert who knows what is best for the state better than does the state, even if that is the truth. A more engaging and team oriented approach will less likely create a sudden enemy, than the self righteous or ultimatum approach, which should only be used as a last resort.
Eric in New Mexico writes:
Actually Joe, the Iranian regime behaves worse than animals towards its own people, and if you think I was refering to The People of Iran in my last post as "animals" then that is your problem of willfully misinterpreting the metaphor and as such, everything I've had to say on this subject to date including the history of Persia and Cyrus the Great.
Joe, I've been shot at by professionals, and you'll have to do a lot better than that. Suggest you review your own posts on this archived thread, since your opinions blow every which way the wind does while mine never change on this subject. Though I do present them with some colorful language from time to time...(chuckle)
Let's start with this.
Eric in New Mexico writes:
Right about now I'd say Amanutjob should take his 3-D rose colored glasses and see something besides a green glow emanating from his egotistical megalomaniacal fantasies.
Right about now I'd say most of Iran wishes someday to not be considered the leading state sponsor of terrorism.
Save those that have the responsibility for being such, that is.
Right about now I wonder what changes be the result of a change in policy from "Behavior change" to that of "Regime Change," or more correctly: "Regime Replacement Therapy."?
Right about now I could see sanctions being part of either policy.
Right about now would probably be good , if the intent is to "isolate the regime ", to boot the regime strait out of the UN.
In revoking membership , the regime reaps the reward for having violated every aspect of the UN charter and Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the Convention on the Prevention of Genocide, as well as being in standing violation of SC resolutions on terrorism, Iraq, Lebanon, the "Quartet " agreements on a two-state solution, and the Conventions on Biological and Chemical weapons, in addition to the ones recently passed by the SC regarding the nuclear issues ...with another on the way.
Right about now I suggest we all put on 3-D glasses and look at the whole enchilada, because what hasn't been effective yet is due to the fact that a piecemeal approach has been taken up to this point.
This is not to say that the many issues have not been addressed by the U.S. government in concert with other nations. I mean to say that they are considered separately, and not as a holistic analysis as an approach to sanctions.
I am not impressed with the press' role in all of this, exhorting speculative strike scenarios, and spin offs of dire consequences.
Right about now folks might need a few ideas on how to make the international system work in Iran's case.
I'd start from a simple premise.
"Do right by the people. "
1. Implementation of full international economic and military sanctions on the Islamic Republic regime via UN security council resolution based on human rights, support for terrorism, and this to be tabled with or without IAEA board recommendation on the nuclear threat the theocracy poses.
These two issues alone should be viewed as circumstance the world cannot turn it's back upon, at risk of civilization itself.
2. Full diplomatic sanction and closing of Iranian embassies world-wide. Diplomatic sanction by the UN, and removal of representation from this international forum.
3. Freezing of any and all financial assets of the Islamic Republic regime, their current and former leadership, and corporate interests world-wide.
4. Repeated statements by world leaders publicly calling for the leadership of the Islamic Republic regime to step down peacefully, and to relinquish the government to the hands and will of the Iranian people.
If these basic things cannot be implemented in full, in totality without loopholes, being unanimously " seized of the matter " as an instrument of global political will enforced by the international use of force of arms if needed; Then the chances of realizing " behavior change " are slim indeed.
Whereas regime replacement therapy looks good to a lot of Iranians, and a few of those are convinced it can be done without U.S./Coalition bombs.
Right about now might be a good time to show a little solidarity, and not just with words, but diplomacy.
Lot of hard work to get folks on the same page as it was, over enrichment. Maybe what I've suggested is not possible to achive in the UN. Iran becomes a "test case" for UN reform in multiple ways.
Posted on Fri Feb 15, 2008
Eric in New Mexico writes:
@ Zharkov, think Tibet...it's not exactly a good example of "bigotry into tolerance" on any level. China's still a long way off, but we are rubbing off on them as ties improve.
I'm not sure I can properly articulate how strange an honor it is to have my usual opposition in debate use my own terminology ( "group therapy" ) in context with positions I've taken up in the past:
Mr. Assistant Secretary,
Folks compare dealing with issues in Congress like "herding cats" I've been told. In the UN's case, it seems to me to be like herding the entire zoo.
UN reform may still be riding on the back of a snail in terms of progress made overall, but you and the good folks as USUN have given it legs due in no small part to a certain Texan often accused of "Cowboy Diplomacy".
Well Brian, as anyone West of the Pecos will tell you, the job description entails the mending of fences and leading the herd to greener pastures, and is fully dependant on the strength and temperament of the horse ridden.
I've been watching the group therapy sessions for this dysfunctional family of nations that occures regularly in the Security Council and committee for the last 8 years, and I do believe the efforts are showing the promise of potential in that the UN can indeed prove to be greater than the sum of its parts.
Now if only state sponsors of terror in the UN were to be doing the "thorazene shuffle" out the door sans membership, the rest of humanity could dance a jig.
The ideological struggle with extremism is a tag team match in my opinion, and if I may be so bold to suggest this, a lot of folks have "tagged up" prior, and it's the same on the international stage....change is inevitable.....peacefull change is desirable.....and democracy R US, sayeth the people.
We've been fortunate as a nation to have a Commander in Chief with the presence of mind to understand that we don't want to give terrorists the war they want nor expect....on their terms. We give them the war they are neither prepared for nor able to fight...on our's.
A President with the guts to stand with both feet firmly on principal and with compassion for the human condition.
A word of thanks is due.
Godspeed and good luck in your next endeavor sir. Please pass my best regards on to Ambassadors and staff alike.
Posted on Fri Jan 16, 2009
--end archived post--
"cross pollination" at work I guess....(chuckle).
Wendy in California writes:
First, if we make our own country a shining example of tolerance; eradicating of poverty; funding and extension of superb education; minimizing our military budget in a smart way so we can rebuild our civic society; creating a smart universal health care system; building out concentrated solar thermal -- as examples -- then we will have more of a right to preach mildly to others. Thus preach to ourselves first. Preach to ourselves first, second, and third -- then maybe fourth say some thoughtful words to others.
With this unflinching awareness of the lumber in our own eye, simultaneously we can reach out in earnest collaboration to chip away mutually -- mutually! -- at these challenges with all other countries, many of whom see *us* as a pariah and bully, as a country which shamefully neglects its poorer citizens and our common-wealth responsibilities.
The world could have a Best Practices Conference and folks could bring to the table their cleverest solutions. This respect would bolster the whole world's efforts to become more wholesome for its citizens.
Terry in Connecticut writes:
We should talk to less than desirable rigimes on a secondary level for conditions then top level when real dialog can policy change come forward. I hope Pres. Obama and Sec. Clinton adopts this like they say they would.
Donald in Virginia writes:
7 Feb 09
I still remember the (444) Days Americans were held hostage in the country of Iran. It would be great if the new Administration was able to communicate and get the results needed. I hope our people never put ourselves in a situation like that ever again.
Let us also remember when one of their airlines was accidently shot down by the United States.
Since Iran started launching Satellites, it should send a signal to our Nation what their true intensions are in the field of intelligence gathering.
This should be of "grave concern" to our National Security that Iran now wants to spy on countries, and most likely the United States.
My gutt feeling is the real reason they want the Satellite coverage is because then they can start putting in the Lattitude and Longitude of future targets. Which also means the missile system they were working on must be in the Advance stages by now. We cannot under estimate what Iran might or might not do.
The real problem faced with President Obama is a combination of many elements that could go wrong. He's worried about the economy and global warming. His number one concern should be to protect the constitution of the United States first. Identify who are our enemies in the world today -- Who would betray the United States? Along with knowing what the Russians intensions are as well. Puton is not going to play a game of checkers with the President. He will no doubt play a game of chess. The stakes will be high.
We should be very concerned, or grave concerned about the intensions of Iran at this moment of time...also keep in mind the relationship Russia has with Iran. Let's also remember Mr. Chavez since he was all prepared to host the Russian war ships at his front door. When you tie in Russia, Iran and Venezuela. You also should include North Korea and any other rogue third world nations. When you talk about Global Warming or Climate Change, if things do not improve in Pakistan, always remember one thing, If Usama bin laden and his terrorist group does get a hold of those 60 plus nuclear warheads, you can count on plenty of ice caps melting if they use them. Along with millions of body bags...
Godbless and praying for Peace!!!
Eric in New Mexico writes:
VP Biden's Munich Security Conference Speech:
"When it comes to radical groups that use terror as a tool, radical states that harbor extremists, undermine peace and seek or spread weapons of mass destruction and regimes that systematically kill or ethnically cleanse their own people - we must stand united and use every means at our disposal to end the threat they pose."
-Joe Biden, US Vice President
I would urge folks to read the whole speech and keep in mind that this is the prepared version and that it should be checked with the delivery of his speech.
For those interested in everyone else's, here's the link:
I look forward to tommorrow's session.
T.J. in the United Kingdom writes:
Pariah Regime? Let us see first of all who is responsible for it's creation and why an escape route was not thought of and see if the colonial mindset overshadowed clear wisdom. We can think of ways to contain and subdue the Monster afterwards.
There was a time when Communism was THE major threat to Capitalism and the Western way of life. A number of " Rulers " were put into power in the logistically and commercially important countries to safeguard the Western interests with total disregard for the people of those countries.
The invasion of Afghanistan by the USSR led to the creation of the Islamic movement which consequently led to the 9/11 event.
The 9/11 event shows us that,the sleeping Monster maybe should not have been woken up. It was being weakened by the gradual cultural changes taking place in those countries.
All of a sudden there was a major reaction and those Governments which safeguarded the Western interests and Economy became the new Pariahs. Afghanistan and Iraq are the examples.
Do I agree with that course of action? Yes I do. Doing nothing is more costly.
Engaging the Iranian regime diplomatically can prove very costly. Iranian people should be engaged and supported instead while military action should not be disregarded. Iranian people accept the concept of a massive breakout from the jail that, they have been put in by their Government. Culturally, they easily accept that, there is a price to pay, which the innocent have paid throughout the history of Iran.
Economic sanctions alone are an insult to the Iranian people. It actually has increased their suffering.
Time is short as the point of " No return " is very near.
R.R. in the United Arab Emirates writes:
The best method to deal with unresponsive 'pariah' regimes is not to threaten them with military actions or to enforce sanctions on them. Although the latter option weakens their economic base, it empowers their domestic influence which in turn makes them more resilient and resistant to methods of isolation and containment.
Sanctions did not work on Iraq, North Korea, Cuba or any other nationalist 'pariah' state. The only result of these methods has been domestic hostility to the West, especially the U.S., fermented by the ruling caste, not to mention the perpetual suffering of the domestic population which in turn intensfies their hate and anger towards the West.
I agree that some form of sanctions should be used but not to the degree where the population is denied basic requirements of living, a fact abused by leadership to render the entire process counter-productive. Prior to the implementation of these methods there should be constructive efforts by international organizations and NGOs to provide the best services available to this population, through Western monetary, political and logistical support to esentially win the people over.
Sanctions have been part of the daily life of the Iranian regime for the better part of the past 30 years with no progress on the diplomatic and international front towards friendly or even amicable relations with the US and the West. On the contrary. Iran has emerged as an influential and powerful force in the region with a semi-self sufficient economy based on its own natural resources and enterprises, and although not having enough money to be considered a rich nation, can still manage to dole out hundreds of millions of dollars to its 'friends' around the world, aside from modernizing its military, space program as well as its nuclear capabilities.
So sanctions are clearly not working as they were supposed to and the military threat will further worsen relations and domestic opinion, especially in the light of two wars on Muslim countries in the past 8 years.
The ideal solution, despite the fact that its too late, was for the West to win the population over through USAID, education programs, health services, and developmental projects. But this option should have been exercised in the 80s and not now.
For now, I think President Obama is on the right track and should first begin with the removal of sanctions on non-military and non-defense imports, investment and aid. Once the Iranian people realize that their standard of living has improved in an environment of economic and social development, domestic opinion will start to move away from the regime that has caused them suffering since 1979 and they will come to see the West as a force for opportunity, development and freedom.
Only then can regime change be achieved, through the people and not F-16s.
Terry in Connecticut writes:
I am no doubt going to enjoy the next 4 and hopefully 8 years of great diplomacy by the way of Pres. Obama and Sec. Hillary Clinton. I believe next week Sec. Clinton with begin her first foreign visits overseas next week. I will be following her trips plus comment here on the State Dept blog. I am a huge admirer of Secretary Clinton and I am pleased that she will do fine. I just saw Vice President Biden's remarks in Munich. He is also a great asset to the new Obama Administration.
Catherine in the Philippines writes:
The U.S. Government had always been worrying with a lot of things but it seems like the government is forgetting one thing: The Product of the American-Filipino Alliance. Its the ABANDONED G.I. KIDS IN THE PHILIPPINES. Are we really have to be left out? Is the new president of America is also concern about us? Is he ready to give us back our fathers and help us mentally, financially, spiritually, and morally?
Eric in New Mexico writes:
@ Catherine in the Philippines,
Since President Arroyo just met w/ Sec. Clinton (DoS video), I would say that the U.S. is not forgetting.
Jane in the United Kingdom writes:
Maybe the U.S. government should reconsider its unconditional one-sided support for Israel. Not totally sever its ties with Israel but take into account the Palestinians' point of views...
Eric in New Mexico writes:
Since nobody has mentioned Libya yet, I'll just pose the thought that sanctions do work occasionally, and one might anticipate miracles vis a vis Iran if the suggestions included here (originally Posted on Fri Feb 15, 2008) are followed to the letter.
If the U.S. is going to refer to the Iranian regime as a pariah, it should be treated like one.
The Iranian economy is suffering 28-30% inflation not because of the sanctions now upon the regime, but because the regime itself is totally incompetent, and the state owned, and Rev. Guard owned economic model is not viable in a world that thrives on free markets.
So, if they are cut off by the EU, Russia and China to the point where nations accept no exports from Iran period without exception, and the only things the P5+1 exports to Iran is food and basic medical supplies, how long will it take till the regime goes belly up?
The problem has been for a long time now one of the p5+1 nation's economic sectors not being in line with its governments policies to illicit a change of behavior.
This inconsistancy must end for effective diplomacy to work.
There is no compromise to be had with the regime, no "grand bargain" to persue.
As long as the regime knows it it will be propped up by trade, it will continue to abuse its people, abuse international law, murder the innocent through military support for terrorist org's (including Al-Quaida and the Taleban as well as their regular proxi), and persue weapons of mass destruction.
In light of this fact, it would be criminally negligent for any law abiding nation to have any trade relations at all with a state sponsor of terror. Period. For any reason.
As well, how can this regime be called a pariah when it still enjoys the privilage (not an inherant right of a nation) of having by charter membership, a seat and a vote in the UN?
Will someone @ State please explain this long standing paradox to me?
"Law is Logic" but this makes no sense at all to many people inside and outside Iran trying to end their 30 year national nightmare.
Nuno R. in Portugal writes:
Actually this is the "question of the year". And one that doesn't have only one set of answers, or definite ones.
But the question itself already indicates an important political direction: the awareness that political conflict is not a metaphysical issue (at least not most of the times), but a state of tension that can be reduced, minized, eliminated or transformed.
Although "pariah" implies not only adversarial notions towards one country, but antagonism towards the whole humankind, international law or international society (vg piracy states, there could be some room for tension management:
*If "pariahs" are not monolyths (nothing in life really is), dialogue and confidence building with "unclenched fist" sectors of their society, intellectual, cultural, arts/sports, business and even political structures could be productive.
*If "pariahs" are ready to discard the most serious of their international violations (as supposed to all violations abhorrent to decent people), maybe there would be room for additional dialogue.
*If "pariahs" are giving some room to escape, that doesn't constitute amnesty of serious guilt, amnesia or a renounce to decency, but only technical ways of avoiding worst evils, maybe an internal process of reform (and, who knows, transfer of power, could start).
*If the dialogue with "pariahs" on "common values" is often impossible (besides lip service and double speak), the contact and discussion of "common objectives" or "common threats" (vg resources, environment, human security, etc) could produce some results.
*There are several "degress" of transforming a "pariah" in "partner": alleviation of local citizens or populations under a pariah's administration is only one.
*Transforming "pariah" into "partner" should not ignore the venial sin of naivete. Sometimes military and political pressure should never leave the table. At any rate, sound analysis and the need to select case by case is crucial.
Regards and thank you for the blog.
If a pariah state would have a blog, and if there could be ample access and debate, that would be good news.
Nuno R.
Ron in New York writes:
How to bring all Nations into the Global Community:
Stop using terms like "Paraiah"
How we speak sets us up for how we act.
Find a mutual goal and work toward it.
Iran has many needs;we can assist with.
A golden opportunity for cooperation was lost when Iran was faced with drug addiction and HIV/AIDS crisis in the late '80's and '90's.
Creat strong bridges between US Irani and Irani citizens.
Synergize our positive activities. Stay on the high road.
Resist the urge to define nations as "Axis of Evil" states.....The result was an "Axis of Oval".
5th and final:
If USG sets nuclear power as the gold standard; don't act shocked when other nations seek this power...Iran now has the Atomic symbol emblazoned on its currency!
Zharkov in U.S.A. writes:
@ Eric in New Mexico, think Vietnam and how we were sucked into that war on the basis of a bogus "Gulf of Tonkin" incident manufactured by LBJ. Think of Iraq, a war we never needed because the threat was never imminent but manufactured and exploited by exaggerated paranoia over 9/11.
The Iran offers the same "opportunity" if we make the same mistakes, and oddly enough, we find our government officials who were against that war now suggesting we ought to start another war like we did for the last two.
The Iranian people are not praying for an Israeli or U.S. bombing run to set them free.
Iranians see themselves capable of governing themselves, and as they have proven with the Shah, they have the capacity to throw off any government they find oppressive or uncaring. The Shah's own son strongly advised against attacking Iran. Most Iranians agree with him. If Iranians reach a consensus that they dislike or distrust their own government, they will change it as they have done in the past, either with or without our help.
Paranoia can be a good thing, but our government has reached the point where airline passengers risk being labelled "a terrorist" if they reject a genital search, or question a stewardess about food quality, or ask for too many blankets, or spank their child.
If you are on the "no-fly list", you will not be celebrating your safety as you are led away for questioning. If you are locked away for 3 months without any opportunity for a court hearing or a lawyer, as was the mother who spanked her child on a flight, you will not be thanking anyone in the government for that.
Wendy in California gave good advice -- first we must be an example worthy of the pariah nation to envy.
So far, we have succeeded in making pariah leaders envy our nuclear arsenal and imitating us. Now if we could get them to envy our sanity, honesty, and trustworthyness, we might get somewhere in talking to them.
Taliah writes:
In order to transform from pariahs to partners, one must show respect and dipomacy. That is the only way to go personally. Violence will get no one anywhere.
Chris in the United Kingdom writes:
First of all, treat all countries as equal.
That does not mean giving them equal treatment. That means that the standards by which treatment is decided are the same for everybody.
The U.S. cannot expect to have any legitimacy to talk about pariah states and international politics, when it continues to financially sponsor racist and terrorist state (you know what I'm talking about). It also cannot be seen as anything else than a hypocrite when it keeps promoting historical revisionism and historical lies about the international world. Again you know what I'm talking about.
There are many international hotspots in the world, many better, many worse, but as long as the U.S. not only fails to criticize one of the most racist and oppresive states in the world, carrying our the longest standing attrocity of the modern world, but also presents that state as the 'victim', and grants it massive benefits no other state in the world enjoys, it can never truly convince the world that it cares at all about 'pariahs' and 'non-partners'.
Emman in Illinois writes:
It has been over 60 years of pure hell for Palestinians since the founding of the state of israel. Gerald Kaufman, a son of Holocaust survivors and himself a Jew stated that 'Israel was founded under terrorism". Israel has terrorized Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza strip since 1967 by demolishing their homes, confiscating their lands, installing pointless checkpoints, the apartheid wall, illegal detentions for people thrown into prisons with no charges. When activists attempt to show the world what israel is doing, they are murdered like Rachel Corrie was. Our government continues to support israel, blindly, and frankly many people are starting to realise this and know that this unwavering policy is wrong. It must stop. The racism, the humiliation, the mass murder of children in Gaza using phosphorous and other chemical weapons is illegal. When we stand by israel we are dimished in the world community. Justice has to be served and as Americans we must boycott, divest, and sanction israel like we did with South Africa.
Eric in New Mexico writes:
@ T.J. in the United Kingdom,
Your post made me think of Admiral Yamamoto's statement shortly after his forces had attacked Pearl Harbor:
"I fear we have awoken the sleeping giant."
Bin laden should have studied a little more history in my opinion, as we tend to oblige our enemies with total and devatstating defeat, unconditionally.
And we all know how that war ended.
I'm a little unclear on your "sleeping Monster" reference, but I don't think you're refering to the U.S. in this regard.
As for post-colonial cold war hangovers, I was once told by an Iranian that underneath every Mullah's beard is tatooed, "Made in UK."
Perhaps this is the mindset you are refering to, so I thought I'd ask.
Both you and Nuno R. in Portugal spoke of an "escape rout" for Pariahs...OK
What if the international community gave the leadership of Iran 48 hours to go back to their Mosques and never participate in politics again to avoid inevitable "serious concequences" as a last ditch diplomatic effort before the last option left on the table is used?
Would that satisfy your criteria for "escape"?
@ Ron in New York
When the U.S. government call things as it sees it, it definately should act on it.
If it calls it Genocide, or Terrorism, or a Crime against Humanity...or a nation a "pariah"... We cannot afford to sin by silence and inaction.
That's how pariahs are allowed to become such in the first place.
Sharon in California writes:
WE need to change our language toward those who don't agree with us. For instance "pariahs" -- this is bound to elicit negative reaction. Is this what we want? How about "non-partners to partners." This is just a start to the changes that need to be made to elicit different reactions from these non-cooperative people.
WE need to become world-centric rather than U.S.-centric in our approach to other nations -- they have histories, cultures and ways of conducting their lives very different from ours. We can't set world standards regardless of how much we would like to. The boomarang will come back to haunt us again and again if we don't cease these behaviors.
Nuno R. in Portugal writes:
To the moderator: sorry. My previous entry was totally incomprehensible and unusable (never write on a rented wireless with a faulty keyboard and a jammed mouse, on a bumpy road, while doing other things)
A revised version:
Actually this is the "question of the year", and one that doesn't have only one set of answers, or definitive ones.
But the question itself already indicates an important direction: the awareness that political conflict is not a metaphysical issue (at least not most of the times), but a state of tension that can be reduced, minimized, eliminated or transformed.
Although the word "pariah" implies not only adversarial notions towards one country, but antagonism towards the whole humankind, international law or international society (v.g. piracy states), there could be some room for tension management:
*If "pariahs" are not monoliths (nothing in life really is), dialogue and confidence-building interface with "unclenched fist" sectors of their society, with intellectual, cultural, arts/sports, business and even political structures, with individuals rather than with institutions could be very productive.
*If "pariahs" are ready to discard the most serious of their international violations (as opposed to all violations abhorrent to decent people), maybe there would be room for additional dialogue.
*If "pariahs" are given some room to escape, that in itself doesn't constitute amnesty of serious guilt, amnesia or a renunciation of decency, but only amounts to a technical way of avoiding worst evils, maybe an internal process of reform (and, who knows, transfer of power), could start. Carrot and stick, I suppose...
*If the dialogue with "pariahs" on "common values" is often impossible (besides lip service and double speak), and a contradiction, the contact and discussion of "common objectives" or "common threats" (v.g. resources, environment, human security, etc) could produce some results.
*If there could be "prizes" to be achieved by "pariah" states ready to reform themselves (either prizes tested on other reformed regimes, or new ones), internal processes could accelerate.
*There are several "degrees" of transforming a "pariah" into "partner": alleviation of grievances of local citizens or populations under a pariah's administration is only one. Others, for example, can evolve persuasion, political debate, propaganda, etc. Where is the USIA when we need one?
*Transforming "pariah" into "partner" should not ignore the venial sin of naivete. Sometimes military and political pressure, hard and soft power, among other state tools, should never leave the table. At any rate, sound analysis and the need to select in a case by case basis is crucial. Don't treat as equal what is different. Don't treat as different something that is equal. Always analyse and determine similarities and differences in national case studies.
*At the end of the day, some pariah states are irreformable, or impossible to transform into more than opportunistic, unreliable partners. This is the case of "ideological" or "fundamental" pariahs, as opposed to ones driven into pariah condition by accident, need, hostility or error of others, etc.
Regards and thanks for this blog.
P.S. -- If a pariah state would ever have a blog, and if there could be ample access and debate to it, that would be good news.
Nuno R.
Ann in Colorado writes:
First and foremost by showing all countries respect, as President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton have started to do. I believe that economic sanctions are a total waste and only hurt the common people. Look at Cuba and Iran for example; sanctions have not changed the governments one iota. Instead of threats and asking the governments to change their approaches before we'll talk with them (like Iran. I heard that the Obama administration is still requiring Iran to stop its development of nuclear power and energy before talks will begin. That's a one-way street to repeating the failures of the last 8 years!!), we should be talking and incentivizing to the max. So stop demanding pre-conditions and start talking and start offering incentives and above all, show these countries and their governments and people respect.
Eric in New Mexico writes:
@ Nuno R., Indeed comprehention can be conditions based, but you came in loud and clear. Thanks for your perspective!
( A coffee inundated keyboard, and a feline saboteur who thinks my mouse is the real thing is not exactly helpful either, so you have my sympathies ....chuckle.)
Here, try this:
Best of luck......


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By attorney Shane A. McClelland, Special to THELAW.TV
It's inevitable that you will eventually get a call from a debt collector. I hear about it all the time, from friends, family, colleagues, even my barber. Sometimes it's about a bill they've forgotten to pay, a bill they didn't realize they had, or they have simply fallen behind on payments. No matter what the situation, you still have rights when dealing with debt collectors and deserve to be treated with respect. Below you'll find a brief explanation of the law that protects you, as well as a list of what debt collectors cannot do when they call you.
The Fair Debt Collection Practices Act
The Fair Debt Collection Practices Act (FDCPA) is a federal law that applies to every state. Many states also have additional protections for consumers that may afford you additional rights under the law. But for a general idea, we'll just use the FDCPA.
The FDCPA was passed in 1978 and was designed to eliminate the abusive practices of debt collectors and to provide consumers an avenue for fighting back against these unfair and abusive practices. The FDCPA created a laundry list of rights for consumers and guidelines that debt collectors must follow.
The law covers debt collection for household, personal, and family debts (things like mortgages and car loans), as well as credit card debt, past-due utility bills, past-due student loans, medical bills, insurance bills, etc. Basically, any debt that you owe can be subject to this, with one key caveat: it only applies to third-party debt collectors. Meaning if the person calling you works for the company you owe the debt to, the FDCPA does not apply. However, this is typically where some states have beefed up their laws. If you are experiencing harassment from a debt collector not covered by the FDCPA, call your state's attorney general and ask if you have any additional protections. Or call an attorney experienced with consumer law and the FDCPA.
If a debt collector does not follow these guidelines, they are subject to penalties and remedies under the FDCPA. What does that mean for you? Well, it's actually all good news! If you are unfortunate enough to become the victim of an abusive debt collector, you could be entitled to money damages up to $1,000, as well as your attorney's fees and costs. That's right, you could receive $1,000 AND your attorney is paid for by the debt collector. It's an unfortunate and annoying situation, but that's a pretty good deal for consumers.
Unfortunately, not many people know about the FDCPA. I'm not just talking about consumers. Just yesterday, my law partner was talking to a fellow bankruptcy attorney. The other attorney had never heard of the FDCPA, and even said, "I bet a lot of my clients have claims under this." Based on the situation her clients are in (bankruptcy), I bet a lot of them have several $1,000 claims under the FDCPA. That's why it's important to educate yourself and, if necessary, work with an attorney who is knowledgeable about consumer laws.
Educate yourself
The FDCPA is not a long law. I believe it's 21 pages total. However, there's a massive list of things debt collectors can't do and can't say. The list of what they can't say or insinuate is fairly long, so I'll hit the high points and the most common mistakes they make. You'll probably notice a theme running through all of them (coercion). For some collection companies and debt collectors, they ignore law and try to go for the easy and fast consumer buck. That's why I like to think of the debt collector's telephone as a crowbar -- with such a device it is possible to pry one's mouth open wide enough to allow the insertion of at least one foot, typically two. But that works out for you!
The list
This is not a comprehensive list. If you think you have experienced a violation of the FDCPA by a debt collector, you should contact an experienced consumer lawyer, specifically one that has experience with the FDCPA. In this list, I'm also going to include a few other violations that debt collectors commonly make over the phone. These won't necessarily involve you or be things they specifically said.
1. They can't call you from a fake or "stolen" number. This is called "line spoofing." Often times they'll do this to deceive you. It'll be a local number or the number of a government office -- like the police department.
2. Similar to the above, they can't say that they are law enforcement -- the police, sheriff, etc.
3. They also can't threaten to have you arrested. They also can't issue a warrant for your arrest. You can't be arrested for debt.
4. They can't threaten you with physical harm. It sounds kind of crazy, but there have been plenty of cases of this. It typically happens to the elderly or women. The debt collector will threaten to show up at their house, or hunt them down and "beat them up."
5. In general, they can't threaten you. But that includes things outside of physical harm. Things like:
- Threatening to sue you, if they have not done so, or have no intent of actually doing so.
- They can't threaten to garnish your wages. Again, if they have not done so, or if they have no intent of actually garnishing your wages.
- They also can't threaten to put a lien on your property, or repossess your property, if they don't intend to do so.
- They can't threaten to report you to the credit bureau, if they haven't done so, or do not intend to.
- They can't threaten to ruin your reputation.
6. In a similar category to threats, debt collectors also can't use profane language toward you or scream at you. This goes back to you deserving to be treated with dignity and respect.
7. They also can't say they are a lawyer, if they aren't. This one typically comes in conjunction with the threat to sue you.
Other things they can't do
1. Disclose your debt to another person. As a result, they must verify with whom they are speaking on the phone.
2. Similarly to No. 1, they can't disclose your debt to family, friends, or neighbors. They typically do this to embarrass you into paying them.
3. Call you before 8 a.m. or after 9 p.m.
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Santa Fe– The New Mexico State Police will team up with law enforcement agencies in seven other states in the "Get Your 'Clicks' on Route 66" seat belt crackdown on Friday, February 1, 2013.
The quarterly mobilization began in August, 2010 with a handful of law enforcement agencies in central Oklahoma, but now has expanded to include Highway Patrol Troopers, State Police Officers and other agencies in eight states along the famed "Mother Road."
The crackdown will run for 24 hours on Friday, from midnight to midnight.
"We're really excited to be taking part in this important project," said New Mexico State Police Chief Robert Shilling. "Fastening your seat belt and making sure your kids are properly buckled up is such an easy thing to do, and it's the best way to protect yourself in the event of a crash."
According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, about 13,000 lives are saved every year by seat belts and child restraints, and motorists are 75 percent less likely to be killed in rollover crashes if they are buckled up.
"It's great to see agencies all along Route 66 working together to enforce the law in their respective states," Chief Shilling said.
The "Get your 'Clicks' on Route 66" mobilization is coordinated by Oklahoma Highway Patrol Lt. Ben Crockett. States taking part in the Friday crackdown include Illinois, Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California.


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Following the service, everyone is invited to an All-American Celebration, including hot dogs, hamburgers and apple pie. Those attending are invited to wear red, white, and blue comfortable clothing that Sunday as the event will be outdoors.
Activities will include designing cards for military service men and women, both retired and active. Youth and adults will participate in creating cards and notes to show appreciation to those who have served our country in the armed forces. Also included will be games for all of the young ones and the young-at-heart.
Plans are underway to obtain names from the community of service personnel who might enjoy receiving a note from the church.
Those who know of someone who might be interested can submit their names and addresses to the church office at firstname.lastname@example.com or by mail to St. Peter's Lutheran Church, 1545 E. FM 1961, Goliad, TX 77963-3414.
"God's work, our hands" Sunday is an opportunity for congregations to celebrate who they are as the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America: one church, freed in Christ to serve and love their neighbor. On Sunday, Sept. 7, the nearly 10,000 congregations of this church gather to serve communities in ways that share the love of God with all of God's people.


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- Cook Time: 17 min
- Ready Time: 0 min
- Yield: 4 dozen (1 3/4-inch) cookies
- Crisco® Original No-Stick Cooking Spray
- 1/2 cup firmly packed light brown sugar
- 1 Crisco® Baking Sticks Butter Flavor All-Vegetable Shortening, cut into slices
- OR 1 cup Crisco® Butter Flavor All-Vegetable Shortening
- 3 large eggs, separated
- 2 tablespoons water
- 1 1/2 teaspoons vanilla extract
- 1/4 teaspoon salt
- 1 3/4 cups Pillsbury BEST™ All Purpose Flour
- 1/4 cup unsweetened cocoa powder
- 2 cups finely chopped pecans
- 1/2 cup Smucker's® Caramel Flavored Topping
Preparation Directions
- HEAT oven to 350°F. Adjust rack to middle position. Coat two baking sheets lightly with no-stick cooking spray.
- BEAT brown sugar and shortening in medium bowl with an electric mixer at medium speed for 2 minutes or until fluffy. Scrape down sides of bowl. Add egg yolks, water, vanilla and salt. Beat until well combined. Add flour and cocoa on low speed until well blended.
- BEAT egg whites in a shallow bowl until foamy. Place pecans in a separate shallow bowl. Measure about 2 teaspoons dough for each cookie. Form into balls. Dip each dough ball into egg whites, then roll into pecans. Place on prepared baking sheet. Using the back of teaspoon or your thumb, make a rounded indentation in the top of each cookie.
- BAKE 10 minutes. Remove from oven. Make indentation in cookie again. Place 1/2 teaspoon caramel topping into indentation of each cookie. Bake an additional 5 to 7 minutes or until lightly browned. Remove from oven. Allow cookies to cool on baking sheet for several minutes. Remove to cooling rack to cool completely.
Nutritional Information Per Serving
Serving Size (1 cookie), Calories 120 (Calories from Fat 70), Total Fat 8g (Saturated Fat 1.5g, Trans Fat 0g), Cholesterol 15mg, Sodium 35mg, Total Carbohydrate 12g (Dietary Fiber 1g, Sugars 6g), Protein 2g; Percent Daily Value*: Vitamin A 2%, Vitamin C 0%, Calcium 2%, Iron 2%.
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He's Winning and He's Talking: Tony Stewart's "Dead Weight"?
Well Well Well look who's got NASCAR talking about him again and not foucsing soo much on the chase. And now it's monday and you havent heard A thing. From watching Stewart nearly all of my life, I can tell you one thing. He doesn't make his personal life public. And that's A good thing. What's the dead weight comment? Could be Stewart-Haas personal...that was already covered. So is it Jessica? Could very well be and that arises some hefty questions. Where's she been while Stewart was in victory lane the last 2 weeks? You would think if they had been together this much, she'd be there for him once he finally won. Which brings up the issue of facebook. He got "de-friended" and all the questions/comments regarding the issue(including mine and my friend's and my dad's and my mom's) on her fb page were removed by Monday. Why do we love Stewart? He's a down to earth guy. And what do down to earth guy's mean by dead weight and/or changes in your life? Lifestyle, health, EX GIRLFRIEND, etc.... While Nothing is for sure until he just comes out and say's it...we'll just have to sit and wait, Otherwise let's let them would be chasers know that their titles hopes are OVER IN DOVER!!!!!


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Rugby Grille in Birmingham Visit one of Michigan's premier restaurants on Thanksgiving for dishes like White truffle infused polenta, roasted butternut squash soup, smoked duck breast with maple creme fraiche, and traditional roast turkey with chestnut and brioche stuffing, cranberry compote, potato puree, and fresh vegetables. Desserts include pumpkin cheesecake with Oreo crust poached pear. Space is limited so call early for reservations.
Gino's Surf Gino's Thanksgiving Day buffet is open noon to 6 p.m. on the big day. The price is $20.95 for adults/$10.95 for kids 4-10 years old for a spread that would make anyone envious. The buffet includes: roasted Tom turkey, homemade stuffing, roast sirloin of beef, pasta with meat sauce, steamed mussels, candied yams, mashed potatoes, vegetable medley, redskin potatoes, chicken strips, cranberry sauce, and a large salad table. For dessert, there is pumpkin and apple pie, and from noon to 2 p.m. there are also breakfast items, including an omelet station. Reservations are required.
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Lily's Seafood This Thanksgiving Day buffet includes southern style deep-fried turkey with oyster cornbread stuffing, honey cured ham, hickory smoked salmon, salad, garlic mashed potatoes, seasoned autumn vegetables, wild mushroom gravy, homemade cranberry sauce, and desserts. It's $22.99 per person, 10.99 for children under 12, and free for 5 and under.
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J Baldwin's J. Baldwin's offers Thanksgiving cooking classes for do-it-yourselfers, as well as a traditional turkey feast to go for eight to 10 people for $185.
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Boston Market Throughout metro Detroit, Boston Market offers heat-and-serve Thanksgiving packages from $54.99 for one that serves six to $89.99 for one that serves 12. Package choices include whole turkey, spiral-sliced ham or boneless breast of turkey, as well as various side options and dessert.
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Springfield - Corrie Heck of Galesburg High School and Pete Mockaitis of Danville High School will serve as co-chairs for the 2001-2002 Student Advisory Council (SAC) to the Illinois State Board of Education. The two seniors were elected by the 2000-2001 members at the SAC's May meeting held in Springfield.
The SAC is currently a group of approximately 30 high school students from across Illinois. The SAC was originally formed in 1975 to bring student concerns to the attention of ISBE. The students who comprise the SAC are very diverse. They come from different geographic locations, ethnic backgrounds, and types of schools (public, private, parochial, etc.). However, they possess similar qualities, which include a strong work ethic, thinking "out-of-the-box", the willingness to set aside time from their busy schedules for SAC work, and the skill of working well in groups. Corrie and Pete exemplify these qualities.
Corrie is the daughter of John and DeAnn Heck of Galesburg and is very involved in both school and community. Corrie currently serves as Student Body President and French National Honor Society President. She is also an active member of Knox County Teen Court, National Honor Society, French Club, Art Club, and Fellowship of Christian Athletes. Her services in the community of Galesburg include the Galesburg Public Library Improvement Committee, Knox County Juvenile Justice Council and the Knox-Warren County Chrysalis. This will be Corrie's third year on the state council.
Pete is the son of Jan Mockaitis and the late John Mockaitis. Pete is active in marching band, SADD, chess team, scholastic bowl, DHS players, Future Problem Solvers, Student Advisory Board, Student Ambassadors, Key Club, Maroon and White, National Honor Society, and speech club. He has also served on the homecoming court and is president of the local Student Advisory Board. This will be Pete's second year on the state council.
The Student Advisory Council will meet approximately four times during the 2001-2002 school year and then present their work to the State Board of Education at their meeting in May, 2002.
Coordinators of the Student Advisory Council are Marilyn Holt and Michael Kotner, Illinois State Board of Education, 618/244-8383.


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Now, I have realized that the name www.existingdomain.org is not so good, so want to change the name say like www.newdomain.org (just a domain name only without hosting plan) and require that when search for www.newdomain.org, it should get redirected to www.exisitngdomain.org.
1) I wanted to know, if I can achieve the domain redirection by purchasing www.newdomain.org with say some other domain registrar (different from my www.existingdomain.org) for example godaddy.com as a parked domain without any hosting and then following the steps for forwarding/redirecting this to www.existingdomain.org? Please, clarify.
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Indulge me one last time…
Due to popular demand, I've created a photo album for my Mets Pitchers as Star Wars characters. Yoda Glavine says "Enjoy you will."🙂
Will thinks that for the Phillies series, I should start a new trend and photoshop the Mets pitchers as '80s pop icons.
What d'ya think, yes or no?
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that, or like, mets pitchers in total revenge mode.
pedro as uma thurman in kill bill! etc. kill phils. i'm tired.
I love the 80's!!!


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What Your Favorite '80s Movie Says About You
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Back to School1 of 9
By Shannan Rouss
With back-to-school season here, we're feeling nostalgic for some of the most influential high-school flicks from the '80s. Take a stroll down memory lane and find out what your personal favorite reveals about your teen self—based on our totally subjective and partially biased opinions and experiences.
Pack Mentality2 of 9
You weren't quite sure who you were—or would be—in high school: a prom queen, a basketcase, a geek, a rebel? In some way, you were maybe a little bit of each. The one thing you were certain of was that you didn't much care for the authority figures in your life, and assistant principals like the one in The Breakfast Club represented the worst kind of authority.
I Can See the Man in Motion3 of 9
While St. Elmo's Fire isn't actually a high school movie (the characters have all just graduated college), you loved it because you hated high school—or middle school—and couldn't wait to be older. No matter how complicated and messed up the crew from St. Elmo's may have been, their lives still looked better than yours. Plus, Kevin (played by Andrew McCarthy) was the kind of sensitive, struggling-writer type that you longed to be with.
Popularity Contest4 of 9
You related more to Can't Buy Me Love's Ronald Miller (a pre-McDreamy Patrick Dempsey) than Cindy Mancini, though you would have done anything to have her hair and VW Rabbit convertible. You knew how to do the African anteater dance and considered "Dancing With Myself" your own personal anthem.
Cool Rider5 of 9
You liked the first Grease, but you loved the second one. You were nostalgic for a time you never actually lived in. You had a slight chip on your shoulder, but you still believed in fairy tales and happy endings, preferably one that involved a guy with a British accent in a leather jacket.
Twist & Shout6 of 9
We all remember Ferris Bueller fondly, but if the movie is all-time tops in your book, then chances are you were the life of the party in your day. You actually look back on your time in high school with fondness, and keep in touch with most of your former classmates on Facebook.
Care to Dance?7 of 9
You moved your feet through Footloose's opening credits and fast-forwarded to the scenes where there was more dancing. You knew you were stuck in a one-horse town back then, but you had high hopes for getting out and making it in the big city. You thought the song was "Dancing in the Streets," and only later in life learned that it was "Dancing in the Sheets."
In the Pink8 of 9
You were a dreamer and a romantic. You shopped at vintage stores, watched black-and-white movies, and thought about making your own prom dress one day (just like Andie in Pretty in Pink), but never actually did.
Mean Girls9 of 9
Probably the darkest high school movie of the '80s, Heathers was your favorite if you went to a high school where slambooks were circulated and fitting in meant everything. You loved to hate the queen bees of the high school hierarchy, but deep down may have craved their acceptance—even though you'd never admit it.
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Aside from the Oscar holdovers in early January, this month's film releases typically are a sad lot. You may want to account for low expectations, but the crime drama "Broken City" turns out to be much better -- and funnier and more suspenseful -- than both trailer and release date portend.
Director Allen Hughes, who usually works with his twin brother, Albert, on such movies as "Dead Presidents" and "Menace II Society," may be flying solo, but he brings all the intensity of his past features.
Mark Wahlberg plays Billy Taggart, a New York cop forced to hand in his badge and gun after being involved in the shooting death of a teenager. The mayor (Russell Crowe) tells Billy his actions were heroic. But the city's residents are outraged over the violence, and Billy's law enforcement career must end. Seven years after his resignation, the former police officer makes a living tailing and photographing cheating spouses. It's not much, but it pays the bills, at least when Billy's clients remember to pay, which isn't often.
So $50,000 for an easy job might seem like a god-sent windfall. Just before Election Day, Mayor Hostetler -- running neck and neck with his opponent, Jack Valliant -- contacts Billy. It appears that the mayor's wife (Catherine Zeta-Jones) is cheating on him, and he wants pictures and information (including some unsavory details) about the man who's cuckolding him.
The job, of course, is not quite as straightforward as it seems; it's a mere thread in a web of political corruption revolving around the campaign and the sale of a public housing complex linked to Billy's mysterious past. Billy could just walk away, $50,000 richer, but that would be a lot less thrilling than taking on the creepy, orange-faced, misogynistic and homophobic mayor.
This villain, not to mention the crooked story trajectory, could come across as over-the-top, but a few elements help ground the film, not the least of which is humor.
As Wahlberg demonstrated in "The Departed," the man can deliver a solid punch line. Even when his character seems to take himself too seriously, the movie generally doesn't, going so far as winking at the audience when Billy becomes fed up with the confusion of neverending plot twists.
Thankfully, most of those sharp turns develop organically, adding intrigue without outlandishness. One of the twists revolves around Billy's nature. Is he a protagonist worth pulling for? The full picture of Billy's intentions and actions the night of the career-ending shooting are revealed slowly over the course of the film, and that mystery serves as an effective hook.
The cast across the board feels expertly chosen. Crowe proves he's an especially effective villain when singing isn't involved, and Wahlberg lands his zingers with a nice deadpan. But the ancillary characters really stand out, buoyed by such actors as Jeffrey Wright as the standoffish, all-business police commissioner and Barry Pepper as Jack Valliant, the floppy-haired, Harvard-educated mayoral contender.
The film gets bogged down with unnecessary complications in Billy's love life and intimations of a budding relationship with his spitfire assistant. And there are a few too-convenient plot developments -- a nefarious corporation should know to shred its documents. But overall, this is an entertaining diversion, and not just compared with other first-month releases.


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To help commemorate Martin Luther King Jr. Day, Ohio Northern University will hold an essay contest open to Ohio Northern undergraduates and graduates.
The graduate and undergraduate student essays will be judged, and cash prizes will be awarded to the top three entries. For undergraduates, the first-place winner will receive $500, the second-place winner will receive $250, and third place will get $100. In the graduate student division, the first-place winner will receive $750, second place $500, and third place $250. The deadline to submit entries is Jan. 7. Essay presentations and prizes will be awarded at the campus Martin Luther King Jr. Day observance on Jan. 21.
The undergraduate topic is: On Jan. 11, 1968, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. visited Ohio Northern University. Consider his remarks during this visit and the changes on ONU's campus since that time. How have race relations here changed?
The graduate topic is: Consider Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have A Dream" speech on Aug. 28, 1963, as it relates to social justice issues other than integration and what progress has been made on these issues since the speech. What can we do, or are we doing, as a nation to address these issues?"
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By Carl Wilson, Colorado State University Cooperative Extension agent, horticulture, Denver County
Anyone who has seen the massive size of a six-pointed amaryllis bloom will not soon forget it. The 8-to-10-inch blooms can be yours to enjoy by the Holidays if you start your bulb between Nov 1 and 15.
Botanically called Hippeastrum, meaning "horse star," an amaryllis is easy to grow. Its bulbs are nearly the size of grapefruit and the larger the bulbs, the larger the flowers. Bulbs are sold pre-planted in starter kits. They come in a loose planting mix in pots only slightly larger than the bulb itself. The bulb is positioned halfway out of the soil.
To start, water thoroughly, allow to drain and don't water again until growth begins. The first sign of growth will be the flower bud itself as the foliage won't develop until the flowers are opening.
Once bud growth is visible, put plants on a routine. Keep soil moist, provide at least half day of bright light, and fertilize once a month. Stems grow rapidly to 12-24 inches and will produce a sequence of blooms that last about a month.
Amaryllis are a long-term investment. With a little year-round care, they will produce mid-to-late winter blooms for years. After flowering, water the plant as a houseplant for the remainder of the winter. Set plants outside after all danger of frost is past; you can bury pots in a partially shaded location. Lift pots in early September, bring indoors and gradually cut back water. To ripen foliage, plants should receive no water from october 1 until it is time to re-trigger growth.
Cut foliage once it has dried and let the bulb rest for at least a month before starting the bloom cycle. Trigger growth by washing an inch or two of the old surface soil away, then replenish with fresh soil and water. Bulbs need complete repotting after three or four years.
Amaryllis won't replace poinsettias as the Christmas plant but they do make a spectacular holiday decoration. Two of the best standard red varieties are "Fire Dance" and "Scarlet Admiral," and a good white is "White Giant." Look for newer improved varieties from Holland that include "Oscar," a sculptured dark red; "Vlammenspel," a red with white stripes; "Clown," a white finely striped with red; and "Christmas Gift," a new white. Or, try a miniature called "Scarlet Baby" that has smaller blooms, but more of them.
Bulbs identified only by color are seed propagated and likely won't produce the superior flowers of the bulbs or potted plants sold under a variety name.
If you buy plants or start bulbs for bloom later in the winter, you may want to try other colors that include pink, orange, peach, wine red and salmon.
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Dear members,
Thank you, NarutoBase Staff
i can prove it
Originally Posted by shodaime
i can prove it
okay do it
acctually is my cousin i was there when he was doing this thread he did it
those guys from naruto forum copied it:p
Yeah this Two Shodaime and shinbu are at home all day i bet
thts intrsting but i still think that minato isnt really dead
i can understand it but how he channeled the death god through naruto instead of himself is unknown (i think the extra symbols to the seal are explained by jiraiya [when comparing pictures between sarutobi's & naruto, naruto has more spirals])
i'd like to know more about the sealing of the other bijuus though even though most are extracted now. like gaara's was sealed as a baby but how did they get it?
hmm any1 else think that im still alive in the manga
nope but u can hope and prove us wrong...
the 3rd coffin got stopped summoning in orichimaru's fight with sarutobi ... that was supposed to be the 4th i think. anyway you wouldnt be the 1st if u got resurrected lol :D.
Originally Posted by shodaime
the 4th was the best as u can see is the only kage who would do that for is village sacrifie itself and put a kyuubi inside is son.guess what sarutobi the 3rd was ther he didnt even do no shit . sorry for my language
actually it wasnt his job to something about it was the 4ths .........he was in charge ..
Originally Posted by leonmccash
Going back to what the 3rd said, "You are truly strong only if you fight to protect what you care for the most."
With the Yin and Yang chakaras (blue and red), being in harmony require equal amounts of both... correct? If the nine-tails chakara is enormous, Naruto's chakara needs to be at an even level with it, for there to be a balance. Thus, the 3 Year training for the giant rasengan, and the "Kakashi training method" to increase Naruto's own chakara level. Fear of hurting Sakura again motivates him to control the fox. Yamato is present because when Naruto goes all out, he has no chakara to hold back the fox's. I look at the Naruto's 5-tails stage as being his limit at mixing his own chakara with the fox's.
What if Naruto's chakara level was higher than and able to over power the nine-tails' chakara??? Would he in a sense be able to domesticate the fox?
Naruto could then use his energy to attack, and let the fox heal him consistently during battle. (when fighting sharringan) I believe that Naruto will lose every time he fights the sharringan, unless he can fight without using the fox... at all...
and i believe that to .........sasuke can alreaddy supress narutos fox chakra but thats wen naruto gonna go toad on him
If 4th is really alive. It's very interesting. I waiting naruto with frog talk about all secret his father and j.man
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hi every1
Originally Posted by YondaimeHokage
hmm any1 else think that im still alive in the manga
youre dead but youre still here
Originally Posted by YondaimeHokage
thts intrsting but i still think that minato isnt really dead
You used a sealing jutsus wich took your life..
So you're dead..
Originally Posted by shodaime
The Truth About Minato's Shiki Fuujin No Jutsu and the Kyuubi's Yin and Yang Chakra
We all know that although the seals that were made by the Shinigami variation that Sarutobi used, and the Shinigami variation that Minato used.. are still the SAME jutsu.. they involve the same process... but DIFFERENT ways on how it was performed by Minato and Sarutobi, respectively. In a sense, the jutsu is a Kami Fuujin Jutsu [God Sealing Jutsu] a level of Fuujin jutsu so powerful, that it requires a GOD to perform and a sacrifice. I am pretty sure its clearly stated, that Sarutobi just about uses the same jutsu. Take a look into the scenarios... I will start with Sarutobi's...
Sarutobi Faced off against an opposition he cannot defeat, and wanting to end the idea of having Nidaime and Shodaime ever hurt Konoha again along with Orochimaru. He uses the ultimate sealing jutsu that he knows. This jutsu, causes the user to go into the belly of the Death God and any other souls that are ingested in the process. The Nidaime and Shodaime souls were pulled out, and placed into Kage Bunshin. That being apart of his chakra now, they were both eaten in the process along with Orochimaru's arms. Sarutobi died, and had a new seal upon his body that was similar to Naruto's.
Faced off against an opponent, nobody could ever dream of defeating he figured of using the most powerful Fuuin jutsu he could harness. A jutsu that was developed in case this kind of scenario would happen. Instead of, the Shinigami reaching through a clone of Minato... it reached through Naruto. But, for this sealing it was a variation of the first seal. The combination of seals... the Double 4-Symbol Sealing Technique seals the Kyuubi into Naruto's system and prevents it to escape. The seal forms the 8-Trigram Hakke Sealing Style allows Naruto to tap into the Kyuubi Chakra making Naruto's body an ultimate chakra machine. However, there is a weakness with this seal as it can be weakened eventually. Its a possibility that the Kyuubi could break the seal over time, and manage to find his way back into the world.
The Final Sealing:
Minato used the SAME jutsu that the 3rd used against Oro, the Dead Demon Consuming Seal. The 3rd himself CONFIRMS it.
The Kyuubi is to be killed ONE WAY, by sealing it in a newborn and that jinchuuriki (human sacrifice) dying. Now, when we say the SAME jutsu it doesnt necessarily mean that Minato and Sarutobi did the same STYLE of sealing. So the question is, HOW did the Kyuubi ended up being sealed INSIDE Naruto instead of being consumed by the Death God?
How did Minato do it? What exactly happened ?
Minato's Shiki Fuujin No Jutsu and the Kyuubi's Yin and Yang
Here's how Minato did it:
1. He summons the Death God invoking it's power
2. The arm of the Death God reaches through Naruto's body
3. Death God pulls the Kyuubi towards Naruto's body.
4. Minato divides the chakra into Yin and Yang, sealing the Yin chakra inside the Death God, and the Yang chakra inside Naruto. He uses the Double 4-Symbol sealing jutsu to seal the Kyuubi inside Naruto, forming the 8-trigram Hakke sealing style, allowing some of the Kyuubi's chakra to mix with the kid's chakra.
Minato splitted the Kyuubi chakra into Yin and Yang so that the Death God would have the 'shadow' (Yin), and Naruto would have the 'light' (Yang). He did this for two reasons: (1) to seal the Yin chakra of the Kyuubi inside the Death God's belly, leaving the Yang chakra to be sealed inside Naruto, AND (2) to leave his son and his village a powerful weapon. Minato's "that" jutsu follows the principles of Yin and Yang; since the jutsu cannot be done with both the Yin and Yang chakra of the Kyuubi sealed inside Naruto, he sealed half of it inside the Death God (Yin) and sealed the other half inside Naruto (Yang), to serve as a potential weapon.
5. Death God pulls his arm out of Naruto, leaving a spiral symbol on Naruto's stomach, which looks exactly the same as the spiral which appeared on the Third's stomach after performing the technique
6. Since the jutsu requires the soul of the user, the Death God consumes Minato's soul in the process. Minato's soul and the Kyuubi's yin chakra is sealed inside the belly of death, battling each other for eternity.
7. Kyuubi is sealed and Minato dies.
The Mystery of Minato's Death: What Really Happened
This is the mystery surrounding Minato's death. We all know how Sarutobi did it, but didn't saw Minato do it. Since Sarutobi says Minato used the SAME technique in sealing the Kyuubi, i have came up with this detailed explanation on how he performed the Shiki Fuujin no jutsu.
Simply said, Minato probably was FIGHTING MADARA and Naruto was being born when Kyuubi attacked. Konoha ninjas tried desperately to stand their ground, until Minato comes.
Namikaze Minato DEFEATED Uchiha Madara
Minato defeats Madara but Madara escaped. Minato heads out to Kyuubi, summons Gamabunta, and takes his chakra-filled ass for a ride. Now, knowing his son was soon to be born, and knowing he had no time and that he had to seal Kyuubi in a child that was just born or not born yet, he has Gamabunta or some one else take his child. He puts Kyuubi in his kid just after the cord was cut, and then places the Double 4-Symbol seal forming the 8-Trigram Hakke seal on him with the last of his life and chakra. He dies after sealing the Kyuubi, as did the woman who died through grief of her loss and the stress all at once. The baby has no name, but a swirl on his stomach. Naruto, if im not wrong, means spiral, or swirl. And theres also an ingredient in Ramen named that? Jiraiya's main character in his book is named Naruto, and before the child was born his parents agreed to name him after Jiraiya's main character in his novel. Maybe Minato liked Ramen a lot too, and in honor of Minato's will, and the things Minato loved, they named him Naruto.
Minato's Power and His Legacy
Now, people may get iffy about... how did Minato have that much chakra to spare... as Sarutobi didn't. Minato, we dunno how much chakra he had. However, at this point the only thing he knew with that battle is... he summoned Gamabunta. That does take an enormous amount of chakra, but that is a lot more chakra than Sarutobi had during his point he used his jutsu. I mean, Sarutobi had been battling and using up his chakra against Oro [Shuriken Kage Bunshin, Katon: Karyuu Endan (Fire Dragon Napalm), Doton: Doryuu-Heki (Mudslide Barrier), Ninpou: Kuchiyose No Jutsu] And after all that, he split his chakra into thirds. Him, and his two kage bunshin each having a third of his current chakra. And that was enough of a sacrifice, to get the souls of the Shodaime and Nidaime out with no problem.. but he did not have the power to subdue Orochimaru entirely... now, if one third of Sarutobi's chakra after all of that was enough to seal Two Kage Level individuals whom have a great deal of chakra.. and the arms of a Sannin... Think how much chakra would be needed to extract the Kyuubi? Minato himself could.. hold back the Kyuubi's power, thats a great wealth of power in itself.
The Shiki Fuujin Jutsu, the one that both Sarutobi and Minato used is a God Sealing Jutsu. Just like how there are individuals whom have specific jutsu relating to their summons. We have seen jutsus that are involve with the summons already, I dont see why it would be far fetched to have a jutsu that is pretty much already explained. Dealing with the Shinigami extracting a soul, and sealing the soul, at the cost of the users life. How do they knew it will work? Cause they can summon that creature, they have a pact with that creature. When you have a pact with that creature, you most likely have some form of communication with them at some point whether it be spiritually or physically. Like selling your soul to the devil to get the one thing you desire, this thing being.. the sealing of the Kyuubi to create a potential tool that will be Konoha's greatest asset.
I know my limits... That's why I'm breaking them!!!
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it would be a good idea if you put down the source of all that you write in your posts. I know you didn't post that, you just took it from someone else. Stop taking other peoples posts, and if you do give them credit for it. Seriously thats all you do, is take someone else's post and copy it. Tricking people into thinking that you came up with all this by your self. You do that shit all the time; if your going copy other people's posts give them credit or don't post at all!!!!!
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