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Religion is one thing you can't teach someone or convince someone about. give up.
- No offense guys but Atheist can't really argue against the Bible because Atheist lack the ability to interpret the Bible. This is why Atheist usually just say that the Bible is not historically accurate and that it should be disregarded. Atheist point towards Science for almost every argument but ignore the mathematical odds that support the Bible in amazing fashion.
"True Christians" would not mis-interpret the Bible so much as you have, my friend. I clearly exposed your lack of interpretation in other threads which ended in you just repeating yourself over and over again and ignoring the versus I showed you to back up my claims.
LJ is right that I should debate you on this post, understandable coming from a JW who thinks he is right, but the evidence of mis-interpretation on your part will be shown when I debate you, again.
And please don't go off topic like you did constantly when we debated in the past.
Pick a topic, stick to it, and we will discuss...if you don't pick a topic than I will gladly choose one for you.
-I ask that LJ and OG or whoever is not a Christian to sit back and watch without interrupting this debate.
-After the debate is finished, I will answer questions from non-Christians so you can get answers from a Christian point of view with correct interpretation.
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Is it out of thin air? No.
Most Christians and religious people in general are raised to have their beliefs by their family, so they actually are taught and convinced to believe in their relgion by their family.
A lot of people become religious from reading works from different people that ended up teaching them and convincing them to also have a belief.
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My mom and my brother both believe that there is a white man with a giant beard living in the sky. I don't but we have stopped argue about it. Either you believe or you don't. None of us can prove the other one wrong so why bother. Halle****ingluja and amen...
The difficult part is getting people to give up something that makes them feel special. That tells them there is a special place they go to after they die. That is a paradise in which they will stay forever and ever and ever for all eternity. Haha! If that doesn't sound made up, I don't know what does. Lol.
Then tack on the superstition that if you don't believe in that stuff you will be punished. Geez. No wonder religion is still around. Educate yourself people! None of it exists!!
The facts leave you 3 choices about God:
1.) He is all-knowing, all-seeing and all-powerful but he doesn't care
2.) He cares but is not all-powerful
3.) He doesn't exist
So which is it?
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What Would Jesus Not Do?
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You clearly don't know what you are talking about. Hunter/gathers were not a typr of human...it was our first society. It is how early humans organized themselves and went about their daily lives. Their society was built on hunting and gathering food for the community.Hunter gatherer's did not exist. Adam was the first man. And he was a lot smarter than a hunter gatherer.
That fine...I guess Satan was smarter than you give him credit for. Humans do not need a supreme dictator to know what is right or wrong. I thought you believed in free will? Why do you look down on humans and yourself? You don't need the threat of eternal damnation to know not to still your neighbors possessions.And what you just said, is what Satan basically implied to Eve, man does not need God. Thousands of years later, man without God has been an epic fail. All humans do is live in strife and turmoil, with a few good moments, then you die. Great stuff. No form of Government, or leadership has helped. But you're right, man is good, and do not need God's guidance. Because the track record of the goodness of man is so outstanding!
I ask you to examine the track record of religion. It has started more wars and justified more killings then any other thing. Power, treasures and land have nothing on religion when it comes to war. Further all religion was created by humans, implemented by humans and evolved through humans. This track record you speak of is the track record of religion.
Anyone can write something vague enough with an open ended means of interpretation and given enough time you can apply that to many real life events. Look at Nostradamus...many of his quatrains have been said to have come true. Do you believe he is a prophet?I have said, repeatedly, Biblical prophecy is the main reason I believe the Bible is the word of God. There is no way the writers could have maneuvered in any way shape or form the future events it speaks of. Impossible. Therefore, someone with intimate knowledge of future events must be behind the inspired writers words. Correct! Man is infallible, which what makes prophecy so outstanding! It cannot come from any infallible man.
Please give me some concrete examples along with the text on these prophecies you claim have come true.
Man recorded the story of Moses, not god. Did he exists? Yes. Is there proof of anything supernatural? No. He was a hero to many and stories were told about him. Over time the stories became more fantastical because that is human nature. You can see examples of exaggeration when you see a movie "based on real life". The story may be rooted in truth but to make it entertaining one must embellish.No, But it has been proven he existed, led God's people through the wilderness and continued on. So since the events took place that God said would take place, why would I doubt that he spoke to Moses through a burning bush? You ever met George Washington? Nah, but you know he existed, and things took place to shape this country, therefore you have no doubts that what history says happened, did so.
This means nothing and is a dodge. I can say for certainty that King James compiled many stories and gospels into a single book. JW's decided to change that book. Now you have two different interpretations of the same stores. If that is not proof enough that the book should not be considered absolute truth than I don't know what is.Funny you should say this. tell me, which of the Bible writers takes credit for being the author of the Bible? I'll wait.
The bible goes into specifics of the time when it talks about currency, specific locations and specific actions. (just to name a few) Murder is different than total inhalation or mass killings. Further the bible makes distinctions about different types of acts such as murder and execution. This tells us that the bible and the people who wrote it weren't simply speaking in moral genralities but were actually talking about specific acts. The fact that it does not make specific mention about things beyond their time cannot be ignored.The Bible does not need to mention WMD, or electricity to be timeless. His principles are timeless. If we loved our neighbor more than ourselves, would we even think to create WMD? Highly doubtful.
No it's not. You cannot say that a clump of cells that cannot sustain itself without feeding off of the mother is alive. Every time you scratch you arm you kill millions of cells that contain your DNA and could with the proper scientific knowledge be grown into a fully formed human being. Remeber under your definition that everytime you do so you are committing genocide.Abortion is murder
Yet you believe we were created in his image by him hence it is his fault. BTW, what arrogance us humans have...as if there were a supreme and all powerful being that he would resemble us in anyway.Man's fault, not Jehovah's.
Like what?But I can prophecy! If the book says A) will happen in our time, and I look around and see it taking place, has the prophecy not then come true?
No, you clearly don't understand my point. If god is all knowing and responsible for our creation than we need not walk the path...he already knows before we even exist what all our actions are going to be. It's already written so there is no free will...there is only a path we must walk to satisfy a supreme puppet master pulling all our strings.You clearly are misguided on what free will actually is. Free will means that even though God wants us to love him, he gives us the choice to do otherwise, by letting it play out.
Now you are making stuff up to fill the logical holes I am punching in your script. The bible is clear that god is ALL KNOWING. If you are to believe that you cannot make up that he somehow uses his own powers to hide his own omniscient knowledge. Nice try though...The being who could create Galaxies with a thought, cannot choose to not know what a person will or won't do? You buy that? I don't.
Specific examples are required. Since I know this to be completely false it will be easy to poke holes in any vague prophecy you may repeat.Again, tough to argue with men who did not even speak our language, or have the resources we have now, thousands of years ago, can pen events that have taken place in future times, long after they died, even down to our day. Utterly impossible for it to be staged. Their is no assumption. The Bible is the only book with such things, because God is the only one who is the future. Period.
An all knowing being knows what you would pray, think and what is in your heart therefore does not need you to pray. You pray to fulfill your own needs, not gods. BTW, when you pray...does god answer? Not metaphorically either. Do you actually hear a response?Jehovah used to speak to Adam, personally each day before sin. Since we are now sinners, that path has been blocked by God, until mankind is brought back to it's original state. But, he has given the provision of prayer for us to speak with him about anything we wish.
So when you see the following chart do you chalk it up to a trick the devil plays on us? I guess all those fossil records and DNA are all bogus too.Don't forget to throw in half monkey, half man, human ancestors!
Yet both are written and books by people who thought they were gods. How can you pick and chose what to believe? Zeus and Hercules predate Jesus by many years. The father of Western civilization, the Greeks believed it to be true. It allowed them to form the first Democracy, study philosophy, study mathematics and lay the ground word for all we take for granted.Jesus existed, Zeus and Hercules, not so much.
Oh, that's right, we're men. Imperfect, all knowing book says so. so it must be. (I'll take science and verifiable data over mans fairytales from thousands of years ago any day)Oh, that's right, we're men. Imperfect, all knowing, human science says so. so it must be.
Yes. If you understood science and properties of randomness then you would know. Our universe is so large that all we see is just the roll of a near infinite sided dice. One action leading to another and then another and so on. A massive explosion spread matter though out our know universe and was so wide and varied that it had no other choice but to settle over enough time into some type of order. This can be observed on a smaller scale here on earth. Weather patterns and DNA come to mind.Yet, I am to believe that out of the chaos called by science "The Big Bang theory", somehow order came of it? That's not a fail, but because there are no explained answers by science why stars die, or galaxies don't form, means God failed? That's knee slap funny.
Further, science does explain why galaxies and don't form and why stars die. The fact that you are ignorant to these truths only highlights that you are arguing against science without understanding it. Now that is knee slap sad...
Science has proven that life did not always exist on earth nor was the climate able to sustain higher organisms like humans. Humans have walked the earth for a tiny part of the earths existence. The earth will be here long after we are gone.There are many living organisms on earth. No life found anywhere else. Why can't it just be that maybe the earth was prepared for life? I mean... IT"S OBVIOUS!!!!! Why does it have to be an anomaly? Stroke of luck? Why can't it be that, maybe God decided to start making life on the planets with earth? Why can't it be that he will put life on other planets? There is a such thing as a "start", correct? Why can't we be just that?
It is not an anomaly...we are not alone. The universe is vast and varrying and the sheer size would lead one to conclude there is other life out there. It has yet to be proven but one can safely bet there is life on other planets.
The bible implies it.From the man who told me I don't know how God is doing, how do you know he simultaneously experiences everything at once?
You know nothing but what another flawed man told you who in turn heard it from yet another flawed human. so on and so one...again, remember the game operator?Simply put, what I speak of knowing, does not originate with me, but with he who IS knowing. Therefore it is truth, not based on my merits, but his.
LOL. So if I start a group called the "Seer's of Light" or the "Brothers of Adam" then I can claim my people existed during creation or were around during the time of Adam? It's nonsense! The founder of your sect picked out the word "witness" from the bible and started a group. Nothing more. You cannot pick out the word witness from the bible and claim you predate anyone.1 So, then, because we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also put off every weight and the sin that easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,
Who are those people witnesses of? JEHOVAH, GOD!!! Therefore, that will make them, Jehovah's witnesses! By the way, even Jesus Christ said he was a Jehovah's witness! (Jn 17:6) The bible even calls him, the FAITHFUL AND TRUE WITNESS! Jesus is the truest Jehovah's witness in existence. And Jesus was around before any planet, galaxy, or star you can name.
Ahh I see. So you believe homosexuality in people is a sin yet animals incapable of sin manifesting homosexuality is to be ignored. How convenient!I don't know why there is homosexuality in some animals. I don't pretend to touch subjects I'm clueless about. Only thing I will say is Jehovah knows. And though that does not work for you, suits me just fine. Simple for this reason. Animals cannot read. Jehovah sent his son to recover what Adam lost for humanity, not homosexual animals.
I think the watchtower society is going to ban witnesses from witnessing the material on this thread.
Quick question...If the bible is timeless than why did JW change it?
Funny a religious person opens a thread about religion and calls others fake.
Shouldn't you be busy trying to rush into those very few selective ****s trying to make it to the promised eternity?
And bring your sister knocking on my door to convince me to join the saved ones couse i'll wait her on my boxers.
And yes, you are absolutely right, religion has been the cause of all deaths ever recorded. FALSE RELIGION. Jehovah God himself blames false religion for all the deaths in human history, according to the Bible. False religion started when the devil was able to convince Adam and Eve to stray from the only true God. In turn, when they listened to Satan, they then started following a false God. Now is the creation of FALSE RELIGION. And the God of false religion has clouded the minds of unbelievers to the point they wish not even find the truth, which will set them free.
I'm gonna say this, Jehovah's witnesses have been preaching the death of false religion for decades now. We are so close to the day when religion itself will be killed.The governments worldwide are so sick of religion, they will kill it. The Bible prophecies about this impending day, and there is nothing anyone can do about it. When this happens, everyone will know there is a Jehovah.
Isa2:2 And it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it all the nations must stream. 3 And many peoples will certainly go and say: Come, YOU people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths. For out of Zion law will go forth, and the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. 4 And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore.
The only people adhering to this prophecy in our time are Jehovah's witnesses. Why? Because it's the only group of people on the earth that fit the description. Only people on earth who worship Jehovah according to his will, made up of many peoples and nationalities, that will not engage in warfare, which in turn promotes peace. If you are an objective person, before you rebuttle this, honestly ask yourself of another faith that can fit this bill. HONESTLY.
Before you reply anyone can fit this vague description, you should ask yourself, why only one group of people fit it. If you are being honest, It should make you ponder why no other people on earth are adhering to such a vague, open ended biblical verse.
However, without that, then you will get differences in every Bible, even other trinitarian based bibles. The laughable thing about this is the thought that Jehovah's witnesses have changed the bible. This is simply not true. In fact it is the only Bible on earth that is translated from the original Hebrew and Greek languages. THE ONLY ONE. Every other translation stems from mostly the spanish vulgate. And even with that being said, this is not a Knock on other translations, more than a big up for the NWT. ALL BIBLES IN EXISTENCE ARE GOD"S WORD. The goal of the NWT was to make a translation in modern english that accurately reflects the theme of the Bible, while Glorifying Jehovah the author, by reinstating the name of God some 7k times where it should appear in every other bible, but weirdly does not.
Question? If The name Jehovah appears 7k times in the Torah, which is the equivalent to the old testament in all modern bibles, Why is it that only one Bible on earth puts Jehovah's name where it applies in the original texts? Why remove the name of the God you worship from his book? Should it not be there? Especially since it's in the original language? But the people who wish to uphold God's standards and his name are the ones accused of changing God's word? Satan is clever.
If we wanna get into semantics, I can say without oxygen non of us can sustain life. But since it's here, we can all live. Yes the fetus needs the mom to survive, so what? That means it's less of a being because it depends on another to sustain life temporarily? Word? It's murder. Point blank.
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]; [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]) Details were given to show just how this would happen. Invading armies would dry up Babylons river and march into the city without a battle. That is not all. Isaiahs prophecy even named the king who would conquer BabylonCyrus.[Only registered and activated users can see links. ][Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. The Bible writer Isaiah foretold the fall of Babylon
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Some 200 years lateron the night of October 5/6, 539 B.C.E.an army encamped near Babylon. Who was its commander? A Persian king named Cyrus. The stage was thus set for the fulfillment of an amazing prophecy. But would the army of Cyrus invade Babylon without a battle, as foretold?
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] The Babylonians were holding a festival that night and felt secure behind their massive city walls. Meanwhile, Cyrus cleverly diverted the water of the river that flowed through the city. Soon the water was shallow enough for his men to cross the riverbed and approach the walls of the city. But how would Cyrus army get past Babylons walls? For some reason, on that night the doors to the city were carelessly left open!
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Regarding Babylon, it was foretold: She will never be inhabited, nor will she reside for generation after generation. And there the Arab will not pitch his tent, and no shepherds will let their flocks lie down there. ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]) This prophecy did more than predict a citys fall. It showed that Babylon would be desolated permanently. You can see evidence of the fulfillment of these words. The uninhabited site of ancient Babylonabout 50 miles south of Baghdad, Iraqis proof that what Jehovah spoke through Isaiah has been fulfilled: I will sweep her with the broom of annihilation.[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].%
Why would a being who sees all things regret anything, unless he allowed things to play itself out at times? Does not make sense that he would choose to see the future of man before he makes them and makes them anyway, in light of him seeing he himself will regret making man at one point.
Bottom line is, having an ability and exercising it are two different things. If we can choose to use or not use an ability, what stops Jehovah? The bible says Jehovah is all powerful, yet he still has not used his power to cleanse the earth of wickedness..... YET! If he can curb his anger, if he can curb his power, why can he not curb his ability to foresee the future? Ahh... Because you say so? Nice try.
And again, Prayer is a direct line to Jehovah. If he is listening, if he answers, clearly he is affected by it as well. He does not have to say a word for me to know a prayer has been answered.
By the way, do not scoff at the power of the devil. When he fooled Adam and Eve he did this by hiding behind a snake, while not revealing himself. All he cared about was them straying from God He does not care to receive the credit. In fact, it's better if he does not exist at all, so that man can think they've got it all figured out on their own! So if you think having humans think they came from monkey's is not on the list of lies....
And for all the things the Greek society stood for, it's dead today. And so are their beliefs. Why? Because Zeus and Hercules never happened, while Jesus is the greatest man BY FAR to ever live. Which is why the Greeks adopted Christianity... Because it was REAL.
Are you willing to stand here and say that the answers that science gives you today for why stars die and galaxies don't form will be the same 500 years from now? If you say anything but yes to this question, then I have to wonder why you believe the answers given now.
Jehovah is the one who decides who his witnesses are. Which is why the bible calls Jesus "THE FAITHFUL AND TRUE WITNESS". Witness of who is Jesus? Jesus said he was around before the worlds were made. So that means if he is THE FAITHFUL AND TRUE WITNESS, he's been that, long before the worlds were made.Therefore, Jehovah's witnesses were around long before they appeared on earth. I mean, that's just good ole common sense.
and from blood Blood transfusions would apply here I would think
So it's not a contradiction. You just want it to be to win a couple cool points. Anyone can see it's two fold. Abstain from things sacrificed to idols A) and, meaning also, From blood. I would venture to say that having blood pumped through your veins does not qualify as abstaining from blood.
And it must be different in some way from eating a properly bled animal, as Jehovah has given the ok to do so, so long as it's properly bled. You're wrong. Deal. I'm sure it's not the first time.
And no. If you're looking for these words " Jesus will rule invisibly starting in 1914" You will never find those words in any bible. But the explanation given more than satisfies the answer to how the Bible gets to that conclussion. On you to accept or reject.
I think religion is stupid (christian) because God did way more messed up stuff to people just to keep people humble than Satan ever did to anyone.
If you wanna worship an ******* god like that go ahead.
Personally i do believe in God, in a scientific sense...we have no explanation for the Big Bang still. We have theories of why it occured, but no explanation for the big ass mass of energy that was required to start a universe. In fact in theoretical physics it is called the God Particle. I think that whatever started the universe probably doesn't care for you or I or sentient/non sentient beings....It just expands and that is it.
In my opinion when you die that's it....so enjoy your times here, but hey you are free to live how ever you want.


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There were fireworks aplenty Tuesday when the County Board voted, 18-6, against the recommendation of the Public Health and Human Services Committee to appoint former McHenry County College trustee Scott Summers to the open seat. And Hill raised more than a few eyebrows – and some tempers to match – when she invoked her right under County Board rules to bring forth a nominee of her own for the County Board to approve at its next meeting.
Here are some of the quotes, facts and interviews that I could not shoehorn into my 30-inch story on Tuesday's unprecedented moves.
• DUELING NOMINEES? Public Health and Human Services Committee Chairwoman Donna Kurtz has called a special meeting Friday morning to discuss what the committee should do next.
The committee nominated Summers last month on a narrow 4-3 split. The next move, Kurtz told me Tuesday afternoon, could be reopening interviews and bringing forth a nominee independent of Hill.
Kurtz, a longtime critic of the Mental Health Board's size and how it spends its money, has been on a mission since being appointed committee chairwoman in January to clean house on the nine-member board.
"The objective is to take a situation that has now gotten murky and tainted, and reassessing that whole process, and I think what we're going to end up doing is reopening the process again," Kurtz said.
Can the committee do this? The short answer is yes. But it would not at all be easy.
The committee would have a matter of days to hold a meeting, conduct interviews and vote on a nominee. County Board rules mandate that board members be notified of recommended appointees to boards and commissions no sooner than five days before the meeting at which a vote will be taken.
So if the committee decides to give it a whirl, they would have until Thursday to finish the process prior to the May 21 meeting at which Hill said she would submit her own nominee.
Exceptions to this rule can be granted ... by the chairwoman. So suffice it to say, the deadline is Thursday.
On top of this, the rules also appear to give the chairman some leeway when it comes to a committee choice even making it to the agenda – board rules state that all appointments subject to County Board approval "will be presented to the County Board by the Chairman." Hill, the way I read the rule, could decide not to allow any decision the committee makes from even coming to a vote.
• I (DON'T) GOT THE POWER: An angry Michael Walkup told Hill after she announced her decision that he would do his best to strip the chairman's seat of the power to directly bring its own nominees for boards and commissions directly to the County Board floor.
Walkup, a public health committee member who backed Summers, is also a member of the Management Services Committee that is putting the finishing touches on the review of County Board rules that is done after every November election.
The threat has weight. Public health committee member John Hammerand, R-Wonder Lake, is vice-chairman of Management Services, and he, too, voted for Summers and expressed disappointment in Hill's decision. Kurtz also has a Management Services seat, as does Ersel Schuster, who said she was similarly outraged.
That's four votes on a seven-member committee, meaning a majority vote for changing the rules to take the appointment power away from Hill.
Can it be done? Again, the answer is yes, but it may not be easy.
While state law allows the county board chairman to bring forth nominees to mental health boards, that authority can be tempered by county board rules. Assistant State's Attorney Jana Blake Dickson told me Tuesday that the rules could be changed to require any such nominee Hill chooses to go through committee first.
And as I wrote in my story today, the County Board almost always scales back the scope of rule changes that Management Services brings forth every two years. But the very fact that Hill invoked her authority in this case – which I cannot remember ever happening in the five years I've covered county government – could concern enough board members to make the difference.
• QUOTES FROM TUESDAY'S MEETNG: As I wrote, the 18 board members who opposed Summers' nomination didn't say a word before and immediately after the vote. But Summers supporters made up for it.
"Not one County Board member reached out to me asking me about this process, and 18 of them voted no." – Sandra Fay Salgado, R-McHenry.
"If you [Chairwoman Hill] are willing to take such a political step, I think ... you should give that a second thought." – John Hammerand, R-Wonder Lake.
"For us to stoop this low at the county, this just tears my heart out." – Ersel Schuster, R-Woodstock.
"This points to an undercurrent of political activity of which I was completely unaware." – Nick Chirikos, D-Algonquin.
• PUBLIC COMMENT: Seven speakers signed up to address the County Board on the Mental Health Board issue, citing ongoing coverage of the issues it is facing and allegations that money that could be spent on services is being spent on administration and overhead.
All seven argued that reform and change are needed. Three of them cited Summers by name and urged approval of his appointment.
• NO CONFIDENCE: Hammerand suggested to Hill that she consider changing the membership of the Public Health and Human Services Committee, alleging that her decision amounted to a "vote of no confidence."
• SCORECARD: For those of you keeping track at home, five of the nine seats on the Mental Health Board have changed hands since January.
The County Board in March approved filling three four-year seats with newcomers Robert Routzahn, Carrie Smith and Heather Murgatroyd. They ousted Ellis, who sought reappointment, denied a four-year term to incumbent Connee Meschini, and filled a third vacancy of a member who did not seek reappointment.
The county instead gave Meschini the one-year unexpired term left by Rev. James Swarthout, who stepped down to take a job with Rosecrance Health Network, which receives Mental Health Board funding. The move was a compromise between her supporters on the public health committee, who felt she asks tough questions, and her opponents, who alleged her words and her deeds – and her votes – did not match.
County Board member Paula Yensen, D-Lake in the Hills, now holds the County Board's voting seat on the Mental Health Board. The previous member, Mary Donner, lost her 2012 re-election bid. Yensen, who has earned a reputation as a fiscal hawk, has actively questioned Mental Health Board expenses, especially the bills paid to the board attorney.
This latest vacancy was left by former member Sam Tenuto, who stepped down shortly after Ellis' ouster to take a job with Pioneer Center for Human Services, which accepts Mental Health Board funding.
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The Top 10 Economic Indicators: What to Watch and Why
Economic reports and indicators are those often-voluminous statistics put out by government agencies, non-profit organizations and even private companies. They provide measurements for evaluating the health of our economy, the latest business cycles and how consumers are spending and generally faring. Various economic indicators are released daily, weekly, monthly and/or quarterly.
While it is important to keep a pulse on the economy, few analysts or economists wade through all of these massive volumes of data.
Which reports are worth it—and why?
Here's a primer on 10 of the most common and vital economic indicators. Even if you don't follow these reports yourself, it is helpful to know where the "experts" are drawing their opinions from. If you do peruse these reports, remember that data can change rapidly, and that broad trends are not judged by one isolated economic data point.
1. Real GDP (Gross Domestic Product)
Why is it important?
The Federal Reserve uses data such as the real GDP and other related economic indicators to adjust its monetary policy.
Where does the data come from?
The U.S. Department of Commerce's Bureau of Economic Analysis releases the data quarterly, including any revisions, within the last week to 10 days of each month following the end of the quarter. Data are spelled out as being "advance estimates," "preliminary estimates," and "final" numbers. Each data release includes an explanation of why the GDP increased or decreased from the previous quarter (quarterly data are also annualized).
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What is it? The real GDP is the market value of all goods and services produced in a nation during a specific time period. Real GDP measures a society's wealth by indicating how fast profits may grow and the expected return on capital. It is labeled "real" because each year's data is adjusted to account for changes in year-to-year prices. The real GDP is a comprehensive way to gauge the health and well-being of an economy.
It does not include institutional money fund assets, large denominated (more than $100,000) time deposits, or any special reserves banks are required to maintain.
Why is it important?
The Federal Reserve uses this data to assess current economic and financial conditions, and to help alter its monetary policy, which includes raising and lowering interest rates. The Fed's actions are aimed at bolstering or reducing the money supply.
Economists and others also use M2 data to predict cyclical economic recessions and recoveries and expected changes in stock prices—not to mention expected changes in the Fed's monetary policy.
Some economists believe that M2's relevancy has waned over the past 20 years. For many years this monetary measurement had closely paralleled the growth or contraction of the U.S. economy and overall changes in prices. But over the past two decades, a bevy of changes—such as the introduction of new depository products, the movement of consumer funds from bank deposits to investment accounts and the internationalization of the economy—has caused the money supply data to fall out of sync with other economic indicators.
Nevertheless, the Fed and some economists and analysts pay attention to the longer-term trends in growth or reduction of the money supply, particularly the six-month figures. And the Fed retains its power to increase the money supply by lowering interest rates as a way to counter a sluggish economy, and to reduce the money supply by raising interest rates if the economy gets overheated.
Where does the data come from?
The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System releases the data both weekly (on Thursdays) and monthly, during either the second or third week of the month. Monthly data goes back to January 1959; weekly information has been available since January 1975.
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What is it? M2 money supply represents the aggregate total of all money a country has in circulation. It takes into account all physical currency such as bills and coins; demand deposit savings and checking accounts; traveler's checks; assets in retail money market accounts and small money market mutual funds, (i.e., less than $100,000); individual time deposits and savings deposits, such as certificates of deposits; in addition to some repurchase agreements and Eurodollar holdings.
The CPI does not include every item an individual may buy, but instead takes a sampling of several hundred goods and services across 200 item categories. Data is collected through phone calls and personal visits in 87 urban areas across the country.
The CPI does not include income, Social Security taxes, or investments in stocks, bonds or life insurance. But it does include all sales taxes associated with the purchases of those goods and services.
Why is it important?
This statistic is the best indicator of inflation that we have to rely on. It is particularly closely scrutinized by financial economists now since it shows inflation to be at a 16-year low. Changes in inflation can spur the Fed to take action to change its monetary policy.
Where does the data come from?
The U.S. Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics releases the national CPI-an average of all areas sampled, monthly, during the second or third week after the end of the measured month. CPIs for three specific metropolitan areas are also published monthly, while CPIs for other specific metropolitan regions are published every other month. Data releases include details about very specific products.
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What is it? The CPI measures changes in the prices paid for goods and services by urban consumers for the specified month. The CPI is essentially a measure of individuals' cost of living changes and provides a gauge of the inflation rate related to purchasing those goods and services.
The PPI tracks price changes in virtually all goods-producing sectors, including agriculture, forestry, fisheries, mining and manufacturing. The PPI also tracks price changes for a growing portion of the non-goods-producing sectors of the economy as new PPIs are introduced. Prices from 25,000 establishments are tracked monthly.
This report measures prices for goods at three stages of production: finished goods, intermediate goods and crude goods.
This was called the Wholesale Price Index from 1902 until 1978.
Why is it important?
This index is timely because it is the first inflation measure available in the month. In addition, by watching crude prices, which are first in the chain of production trends, one can sometimes spot inflation in the pipeline, before it shows up in the CPI.
Where does the data come from?
The U.S. Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics releases the data monthly, during the second full week of the month following the reporting month.
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What is it? The PPI is a group of indexes that measures the changes in the selling price of goods and services received by U.S. producers over a period of time. Think of it as the business-side equivalent to the CPI that measures changes in prices paid by consumers: The PPI captures price movements at the wholesale level, before price changes have bubbled up to the retail level.
Five questions are asked of a random sampling of 5,000 individuals, of whom about 3,500 respond. The survey asks their thoughts and feelings about business conditions, the labor market, consumer spending and economic growth, and their financial and employment expectations six months into the future. Each question can be assigned three opinions: positive, negative and neutral.
Why is it important?
This statistic is a leading indicator of consumer spending-consumers are more inclined to spend money when they are feeling confident about their financial and employment prospects.
Where does the data come from?
The Conference Board's Consumer Research Center releases the data monthly on the last Tuesday of each month.
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What is it? A gauge of the public's confidence about the health of the U.S. economy that reflects the public's optimism/pessimism and the nation's mood.
6. Current Employment Statistics (CES)
Employment data is based on a survey of 300,000 establishments across 600 industries, which account for approximately one-third of all payroll employees. Industries include retail trade, manufacturing and construction. CES provides details on numbers of hours worked and earnings of all surveyed across the nation.
The "employed" are defined as all full- and part-time workers and temporary and intermittent employees who received pay for the cited period. It includes those on paid vacation or sick leave, and excludes business proprietors, self-employed, unpaid family members and volunteers.
Why is it important?
This is the earliest indicator of economic trends released each month. Employment rates indicate the well-being of the economy and labor force. Changes in wages point to earnings trends and related labor costs. Economists focus on the monthly change in total non-farm payrolls and in which sectors jobs were gained or lost.
Interesting trends can also be derived from the payroll data, such as the average number of hours per week worked and the average hourly earnings. This data gives an indication of how tight the labor market is—tight labor markets can translate into wage inflation.
Where does the data come from?
The U.S. Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics releases the data monthly, usually on the first Friday following the reference month, but always within the first 10 days after month-end.
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What is it? CES provides comprehensive data on national employment, unemployment and wages and earnings data across all non-agriculture industries, including all civilian government workers. Information is disseminated in many different ways-for example, employment/unemployment rates among men and women, varied ethnic groups and teens.
7. Retail Trade Sales and Food Services Sales
The data is based on a random sampling of 5,000 retail and food service firms. Figures are broken out to both include and exclude sales of automobiles. Sales are weighted and benchmarked to represent the nation's three million retail and food services firms.
Why is it important?
The numbers measure consumers' personal consumption across retail industries and track growth or deceleration of personal consumption spending, which makes up approximately two-thirds of the annual U.S. GDP. Analysts use the data to help track consumer spending trends and forecast the direction and magnitude of future spending. Automobile sales are separated from the data because of their volatility, which can sometimes obscure the underlying pattern of spending.
Where does it come from?
The U.S. Department of Commerce's U.S. Census Bureau releases the data monthly, during the second week of each month.
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What is it? This data tracks monthly U.S. retail and food service sales, details changes from previous periods, and identifies in which sectors sales increased and/or decreased.
8. Housing Starts (Formally Known as "New Residential Construction")
Why is it important?
Housing starts are highly sensitive to changes in mortgage rates, which are affected by changes in interest rates. Although this indicator is highly volatile, it represents about 4% of annual GDP, and can signal changes in the economy and the effects of current financial conditions. Analysts and economists know to watch for longer-term trends in housing starts.
Where does the data come from?
The U.S. Department of Commerce's U.S. Census Bureau releases the data monthly, within two to three weeks after the end of the reporting month.
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What is it? An approximation of the number of housing units on which some construction was performed during the month. Data is provided for single-family homes and multiple unit buildings. The data indicates how many homes were issued building permits, how many housing construction projects were initiated and how many home construction projects were completed.
9. Manufacturing and Trade Inventories and Sales
Why is it important?
This data set is the primary source of information on the state of business inventories and business sales. Inventory rates often provide clues about the growth or contraction of the economy. A growth in business inventories may mean sales are slow and the economy's rate of growth is also slowing. If sales are slowing, businesses may be forced to cut production of goods, and that can eventually translate into inventory reductions.
Where does the data come from?
The U.S. Department of Commerce's U.S. Census Bureau releases the data monthly, approximately six weeks after the end of the subject month.
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What is it? This data represents the combined value of trade sales and shipments by manufacturers in a specific month, as well as the combined values of inventories in the wholesale and retail business sectors and manufacturing. The current and most recent past month's inventory/sales ratios are also provided. Information is provided across 17,000 manufacturing, retail and wholesale companies within 160 industries.
10. S&P 500 Stock Index (the S&P 500)
The S&P Index Committee chooses the indexed stocks based upon market size, liquidity and industry group representation. Component companies are periodically replaced. Companies are most often removed because of a merger with another company, financial operating failure or restructuring. Prospective companies are placed in an index "replacement pool" and vacancies are filled from that pool.
Why is it important?
The index is designed to measure changes in the stock prices of component companies. It is used as a measure of the nation's stock of capital, as well as a gauge of future business and consumer confidence levels. Growth of the S&P 500 index can translate into growth of business investment. It can also be a clue to higher future consumer spending. A declining S&P 500 index can signal a tightening of belts for both businesses and consumers.
Economists tend to look for long-term trends rather than short-term fluctuations in the S&P 500 index. The S&P 500's 10-year total return, for example, has become a common indicator of longer-term trends.
Where does the data come from?
Standard & Poor's is solely responsible for compilation of the S&P 500 index. However, real-time information on the index is available daily from financial news organizations and publications, as well as from Standard & Poor's.
Where to find on-line:
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What is it? The Standard & Poor's 500 is a market-value-weighted index of 500 publicly owned stocks that are combined into one equity basket. This basket of stocks has become the industry standard and benchmark for the overall performance of the U.S. equity markets.
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- Quantifying the bimodal color-magnitude distribution of galaxies
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- Baldry, Ivan K.; Glazebrook, Karl; Brinkmann, Jon; Ivezic, Zeljko; Lupton, Robert H.; Nichol, Robert C.; Szalay, Alexander S.
- Abstract
- We analyze the bivariate distribution, in color versus absolute magnitude (u-r vs. Mr), of a low-redshift sample of galaxies from the Sloan Digital Sky Survey (2400 deg2, 0.004 < z < 0.08, -23.5 < Mr < -15.5). We trace the bimodality of the distribution from luminous to faint galaxies by fitting double Gaussians to the color functions separated in absolute magnitude bins. Color-magnitude (CM) relations are obtained for red and blue distributions (early- and late-type, predominantly field, galaxies) without using any cut in morphology. Instead, the analysis is based on the assumption of normal Gaussian distributions in color. We find that the CM relations are well fitted by a straight line plus a tanh function. Both relations can be described by a shallow CM trend (slopes of about -0.04, -0.05) plus a steeper transition in the average galaxy properties over about 2 mag. The midpoints of the transitions (Mr = -19.8 and -20.8 for the red and blue distributions, respectively) occur around 2 × 1010 M⊙ after converting luminosities to stellar mass. Separate luminosity functions are obtained for the two distributions. The red distribution has a more luminous characteristic magnitude and a shallower faint-end slope (M* = -21.5, α -0.8) compared to the blue distribution (α ≈ -1.3, depending on the parameterization). These are approximately converted to galaxy stellar mass functions. The red distribution galaxies have a higher number density per magnitude for masses greater than about 3 × 1010 M⊙. Using a simple merger model, we show that the differences between the two functions are consistent with the red distribution being formed from major galaxy mergers.
- Publication type
- Journal article
- Source
- Astrophysical Journal, Vol. 600, no. 2 (Jan 2004), pp. 681-694
- Publication year
- 2004
- Keyword(s)
- Cluster; Digital sky survey; Elliptic galaxies; Evolution; Function; Fundamental parameters; Galaxies; Initial mass function; Luminosity function; Mass luminosity function; Photometry; Precision photometry; Spiral galaxies; Star-formation; Stellar mass; Survey photometric system
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- University of Chicago
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- Copyright © 2004 The American Astronomical Society. All rights reserved.
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I am running tren e and sust 250. My Bp was 140/110 today resting. This is fairly high for me. An advice to get my pressure down??
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Did you just start this cycle or have you been on for weeks? Sometimes just starting out your body needs tog et use to the doage so maybe try backing off the dose a little. Donating blood is a good idea if you have been on for a while. HCTZ also is cheap as dirt and can help with BP issues. Also you might take a look at your diet if you are eating high sodium foods and even chicken sotre bought can contain very high levels of sodium.
Thx 1hunglo. I will try the Hawthorn.
HCTZ? I don't know what that is. I will look into it. Been on cycle for just over 2 weeks. Thx for the advice. Staying around 400-500 mg of tren e/week and 500-625 mg of sust 250/week. Should I drop down?
A good steam always helps me feel better. Maybe lay of the caffeine
No caffeine or pre-workout. Celery Seed Extract made an immediate difference/improvement in my BP. Lots and lots of water. Donating blood for instant results. Avoid too much sodium if your BP is high as well
Yeah bro back of the dosage if your only two weeks in your body is trying to adjust and not to metion Tren is a fucking wicked steroid. Also back off your test dosage becuase you are not going to get the full effect of Tren runninig your Sust higher than the Tren dose. Low Sust, back off Tren a bit and then work your way back up once you feel better.
Thx for the feedback. @ stretch. So what do u recommend for a dose to back down too?
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low dose viagra will help your BP go down as well.
I was always told to run test a little higher to not get tren dick. Is that wrong? I have gained 10lbs in 2 weeks. Also running adex eod at .5 mg. Should I bumped this up?
No need to bump up the Adex for no reason. If you feel that your estrogen is out of whack, get blood work. That will tell you if you need to up the Adex.
Yeah bro adjust your adex to control the bloat cause that will cause higher BP but also get some Aromasin and if you can I would also get some caber. I would say run the Sust around 300-350 and keep the Tren at the same dosage and if high BP persist back off the Tren dosage. Also HCTZ
You can purchase online for cheap or get your doc to write a script it works great to keep water weight down and help with BP.
Honestly I think it is becuase your running the Sust so high. Remember that Tren is 5X more anabolic than test and 5X more androgenic than Test so you want the Test as a base and let the Tren take you up.
Thx fellas. U guys rock with all the advice and fast response.
water pill (diuretic) worked for me... also a bit of tada helps the lil fellow too...
@stretch. Only because I'm not sure, if tren is 5x more andro then wouldn't you use less?
Why would you want to take less of the most adrogenic and anobolic compound known to us? Tren is really unlike any compound out there so it is more powerful than test but should not be compared to it. Run that baby at your current dose and back of that Sust and you are going to see some big gains off of Tren. And like Mac10 said above Tren should have your libido through the roof and wanting to nail everything you see to the wall. Just run your AI's as needed and I had a friend who had the same problem it was a high Test dose during the first few weeks and he was taking in a lot of sodium in his diet so that might be somthing to think of too.
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Fair week
August 23, 2012 —
It is fair week again. It feels like the summer has whirled away like the interchanging swings of the midway's merry mixer. It has brought us to this moment.
We have spent the week at the Delaware County Fair in Walton, NY. Yesterday I watched my kids and their fellow 4-Hers give their public presentation speeches for fairgoers on subjects as varied as Arcadia National Park, remote control trucks, banana cream pie and my son Sam's topic: the life and writing of Stephen King.
We ate Italian ices. And my daughter rode the swings, joining the swarm of kids as they pick through the pile of flip flops flung off for the ride.
Each year I look for the new heights in deep frying—this year I noticed deep fried peanut butter and jelly sandwiches have joined the ranks with the standard offerings of fries and bloomin' onions and the not-so-standard deep-fried twinkies and deep-fried Milky Way bars (at which I have always drawn the line).
This year I was struck by the specific sameness of the fair. Each year we set up our displays, eat funnel cakes and look at the exhibits of zucchini and table settings. We visit the commercial tent for bags of licorice and examine the handbags and shell necklaces. It is great for a day, but a little wearing for a whole week.
Still, I can never grow tired of the people. I like to sit and rest my feet and watch the people stroll by. It is like a prayer to see the kids with ice cream or the baby squealing with delight over the spongy feel of a sheep's woolly back. We will make of ourselves the most glorious exhibit of all.
This year my son also helped fellow 4-H club members with their sheep. For him, it was a new experience and a crash course in sheep showmanship and care, which he greatly enjoyed. Although, when asked if he'd like a sheep of his own, he said, "only at fair time." It is a statement that at least recognizes the enormous work and time that goes into raising and readying animals for the fair.
But it was fun to see him studying diagrams of sheep anatomy and helping to wash and comb the animals in preparation for the show. They clipped the animals and applied foot blacking. In certain circumstances, exhibitors use a shop-vac to clean their animals—an amusing sight. I also learned that there are people planted in the show crowd who are ready to jump on a wild and running sheep should such circumstances arise. It is a kind of like a sheep secret service. One exhibiter almost needed their assistance, but she hung on for dear life as her animal attempted to bolt from the show ring. She took it well—as a matter of course.


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Homecoming events coming to Valley Head
The Valley Head community will host its annual Homecoming May 24 to 26.
Coronation of the 2013 Valley Head Homecoming Queen will be 7 p.m. May 24 in the Valley Head Elementary School gym. The 2012 Homecoming Queen, Courtney Jones, a junior at Tygarts Valley High School, is the daughter of Bill and Shannon Jones. She will crown this year's queen.
There are seven area girls in the Homecoming Queen contest.
Brianna Beverage, a sophomore at TVHS, is the daughter of Brian and Amanda Beverage.
Megan Crumm, a sophomore at TVHS, is the daughter of Hank and Kathy Crumm.
Crystal Mallow, a sophomore at TVHS, is the daughter of Frank and Bernadette Mallow.
Leila Matthew, a sophomore at TVHS, is the daughter of Kip and Nicole Matthew.
Tara Michele Sharp, a freshman at TVHS, is the daughter of Kevin and Michele Sharp.
Victoria Vandevender, a freshman at TVHS, is the daughter of Jimmy and Shaina Vandevender.
Falicity Wallace, a sophomore at TVHS, is the daughter of Christel Goody.
Escorts for the girls will include John Beale, son of Mike and Bonnie Fike; Steven Demyan, son of Frank and Debbie Demyan; Nathan Haney, son of Mark and Roxann Haney; Brandon Pritt, son of Jeff and Cheryl Pritt; and Matthew Samples, son of Mike and Cheryl Samples.
The Crown Bearer this year will be Aden Plymale, a student at Valley Head Elementary School. The Flower Girl for the coronation will be Chloe Tolson, a student at Valley Head Elementary School.
The Homecoming Opening Ceremony will be at 7 p.m. May 24. Winners of the annual art and essay contests will be announced. Prizes will be awarded at the ceremony. The 2013 Valley Head Homecoming Junior Miss Valley Head, Little Miss Valley Head and Tiny Miss Valley Head will be announced.
Homecoming T-shirts, featuring this year's design, will be on sale at the gym during the coronation ceremony. Door prizes will be given away.
Saturday events will include a pancake and sausage breakfast at the Valley Head Fire House from 7 a.m. until 11 a.m.; craft and bake sales; live music; pictures on display at Newt Wood's Store windows; horse shoe pitch (doubles only) and hawk and knife throw (details available at the hot dog stand on Newt Wood's Store Porch); baking contest at Nancy Riggleman's garage starting at 9 a.m.; a yard judging contest; Memorial Wall pictures will be on display around 11 a.m. at the corner of Newt Wood's Store Porch; hot dog sale; easy pick game; homecoming grand feature parade at 1 p.m.; balloon launch at the Post Office porch immediately after the parade; auction of the baking contest winning cakes and pies on Newt Wood's Store Porch after the balloon launch; a Celebrating Home bingo at the Valley Head Firehouse at 3 p.m.; and a gospel sing at the Valley Head Methodist Church at 6:30 p.m. Area fire departments and the Tygarts Valley High School Bulldog Marching Band will take part in the parade.
Sunday events will include pictures on display at the Valley Head Elementary School playground until early evening. The 2013 Homecoming will close with a memorial service and awards ceremony at the Valley Head School Gym at 3 p.m. This service will honor area residents who have passed away during the previous year.


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Playing Massena in Watertown, the Cyclones ran up 10 points before Massena was able to score. The final: Watertown 18, Massena 4.
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Fair Haven adopts credit policyBy Darren Marcy
Staff Writer | January 13,2014FAIR HAVEN The town of Fair Haven is getting a handle on its charging habit.
There have been no issues related to town credit cards, charge cards or charge accounts, said Town Manager Herbert Durfee, but an audit of the towns finances identified the lack of a policy as an issue that should be improved.
The Fair Haven Select Board approved the new policies and procedures document Durfee prepared that he said would tighten the towns controls on those charge cards and accounts.
The draft was introduced to the Select Board, and revised once to include charge accounts after it initially addressed only charge cards and credit cards.
A second version was passed by the board last week.
Durfee said an auditor found there were charge cards in the town office, some with the names of old town managers on them, and others that only said Town of Fair Haven.
The auditor identified it as an issue that should be rectified.
Our typical practice in town is not to have these cards but over the years weve accumulated a few of them, Durfee said. Its just something the auditor picked up on. They suggested having a policy about it.
Durfee said the town believes the systems it has in place will handle the need to charge items.
The overriding policy says: In general, it is the policy of the Town of Fair Haven to not have or issue credit/charge cards to any of its employees or elected/appointed officials. Also, it is the Towns policy that maintaining existing and establishing new charge accounts with area business is more the exception than the rule. The Town believes its current Purchase Order and expense reimbursement systems can accommodate most, if not all, forms of payments for expenses.
The document also details rules for use of charge cards, credit cards and charge accounts when they are needed.
First, the cards must be authorized by the town treasurer and copied to the town manager and a list of employees authorized to use them will be maintained.
The document also restricts what the cards can be used for and lists specifically that cards cannot be used for purchases of more than $200, are not be used for regular bills, travel expenses, personal or private expenditures, or cash advances.
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The Tale of the Pirate's Pen
Last night's loss was tough to swallow. It was a comeback wasted after Milwaukee destroyed the Buc's bullpen torching the staff for 5 runs. Jeff Karstens began the game and lobbed 3 homerun balls to Ryan Braun, Rickie Weeks and Mike Cameron respectively. Jesse Chavez first relieved Karstens in the 6th and did a quality job. Chavez looked demanding and controlling getting batts to pop up. At the beginning of the year I questioned the move to make him a go-to-guy out of the pen, but he has since proved me wrong. Tyler Yates on the other hand has proved me right. I've never been a fan of the guy and he has given me no real reason to support him.
Yates has a record of 0- on the young season, the loss coming in last night's game, and a dismal era of 9.95. In only 6.1 innings pitched he has walked 4 batters, given up 7 earned runs and has successfully made me cringe and sweat upon his appearances on the mound.
John Grabow was a surprise failure in yesterday's game. Grabow was able to just retire one batter as he was just all over the place walking 2 batters and earning two runs.
The only key reliever was Evan Meek, throwing a full inning Meek struck out two batters. Meek deserves more of a tip of the cap from our organization. After beginning the year in Indy Meek has stepped in and done an unfathomable good job. Not allowing a run in two appearances and giving me confidence whenever he steps on the mound. It would pay great dividends to keep him up here, even when Craig Hansen returns from the DL. Yates should be the one sent down.
The bullpen of the Nationals has also been abysmal. Thats right it's time for another installment of WELL'S WATCH.
It was a tight game between the Nats and Philies last night, a 13-11 slugfest that was ultimately won by the Phils. With the score close and the Nats within striking distance Kipper was called on to keep Philly in check. Which he did masterfully. Wells went one strong inning and struck out two batters.
So far on the year Kip has appeared in four games and has only suffered one earned run. Three strikeouts in only 4 innings pitched, two hits in only four innings pitched and no homeruns in only 4 innings pitched. Hey in my book, thats solid. He's been solid without a doubt and looks like he's really coming around. The bullpen is definately the spot for him. Looks like we should have utilized him out of the pen, instead of throwing him in the starting role like a chicken with his head cut off.
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The Pirates have been looking good so far. How have the crowds been at your park? The Reds had good weekend crowds, but only 12,000+ last night.Russhttp://wight4256.mlblogs.com
I heard about that Nationals/Phillies score. It made me sad. I hate bad bullpens. I don't even want to think about bullpens right now.
Tough game, I still have a feeling the Brewers aren't getting out of this series at home that easy like in past years. Pitt is tough this year and I'm pulling for them to get over .500, unlike the Cubs.
Love the Wells Watch! Great idea. Congrats on being the featured blog; I have never followed the Pirates too closely so now I have a source of Pirates news…plus, I'm going to a game at PNC this summer and I want to know some more about the team!
Your the featured blog!! Congratulations! You know what that means, it's time to post a link to my blog in your next entry! haha
Congrats on being the featured blog. And I know what it's like to have a back and forth bullpen. I'm a Yankee fan.
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