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A blog about my journey with Myalgic Encephalomyelitis and Immune Dysfunction Syndrome including HHV 6, EBV, C. Pneumonia, Bartonella, Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome, and Biotoxin Illness
Wednesday, March 31, 2010
Spoke Too Soon...And Stem Cells
I'm going to try Midodrine but I need to get a blood pressure cuff first so I can monitor my blood pressure as Midodrine can cause supine hypertension. Since high blood pressure runs prominently on both sides of my family and my blood pressure has been high at times my doctor said to monitor it while trying Midodrine.
I'm still in my relapse. It continues to be severe. It was nice to have a brief break and I think it was due to the Mestinon but my body can't tolerate it so I won't be continuing it.
I have worked everything out with my doctor. We were able to talk through all the problems and difficulties. I feel pleased with how we worked through this and that he took 100% responsibility for what happened. The administrative issues are being addressed and I'm confident they will be resolved. I also feel good in that I was direct about how I felt about what happened. So it's all good.
Now I have to find my way out of this relapse. I'm going to start some probiotics-the same ones that Dr. Cheney uses with his patients (Mutaflor from Germany).
I've been going back and forth between trying two treatments. Either Rituxamab or Stem Cells. After doing a lot of reading about Rituxamab I decided against that because of the potential for lethal side effects. I have an opportunity to try stem cells and have decided to go forward with that depending on the outcome of my SSDI case. I plan on using some of the back pay money for stem cell treatment.
I'm going to follow the protocol that Cheney uses to prepare patients to receive stem cells in the hopes that it will make the treatment successful.
I figure I have nothing to lose at this point by trying this treatment. I'm bedbound over 22 hours per day as it is. It's going on 5 months now and I'm beginning to worry this is my new normal. Sometimes I lay here in bed trying to figure out a word that would describe the profound fatigue that is occurring. I haven't come up with anything yet. Fatigue doesn't even come close to describing it. I have never experienced it at this level before though. I'm trying to let it happen rather than being afraid of it.
I'm going to be getting another brain scan because of the continuing decline of my cognitive abilities. This time it will be read by someone who knows about ME/CFS and hypoperfusion.
I'm occupying myself with watching a series called The Shield. I'm enjoying it. The Wire was also really good if anyone is looking for shows to watch. I have Netflix which is great.
Still no news regarding my XMRV results. I think its going to end up being applicable to a subset of ME/CFS patients but not everyone. I'm no longer researching it nor do I consider it to be THE cause of ME/CFS. I base this on certain facts that I'm not at liberty to share right now but will when I'm able to. I feel a certain responsibility to share this information because I posted info regarding testing (which I have removed from my blog) and posted that I thought this was the answer to ME/CFS. I have the utmost respect for the Whittemore Peterson Institute and will continue to donate to them because I do feel they are our best chance for some answers but XMRV isn't it.
If all goes as planned I will be starting stem cell treatments in mid-May.
24 comments:
- Laurel said...
So sorry to hear of your continued crash and the new med not working out. That's exciting about the possibility of receiving stem cell therapy, though!! I will keep my fingers crossed for you. I'm one with high hopes for XMRV panning out.. I guess because I'm positive. :) I'm curious to know what information you have... I guess time will tell for us all. I just hope the answers come soon. So glad you worked things out with your doctor. Hope the SSDI approval goes through soon so you can rest and focus on getting well. Hugs!
- March 31, 2010 at 3:08 PM
- cfswarrior said...
Hi Laurel-
I think for people who are XMRV positive (I'm sure I'm positive also) that there will be treatments. I think there is so much interest in XMRV that the people who test positive will be in a good position to put their disease into remission once they figure out what treatment is effective. So I think the news is still good but because a certain subset of patients will discover what is causing their disease to progress and at some point will have treatments.
It's going to be tough for the subset of patients who end up testing negative because there isn't any answers for them yet.
I'm excited about seeing what happens with stem cells. I'm interested in finding out how stem cells will help those of us with a severe case of ME/CFS.
I can't wait until this SSDI process is over. It's been a big stressor!
I'll keep you posted on what I find out. I may try to email you privately at some point....
- March 31, 2010 at 3:23 PM
- linda said...
i too am sorry to hear all this...i wish you would consider going gluten and casein free for a period of time, say 4-6 mths to start, to see if it doesn't help your symptoms....your body is being bombarded with such heavy doses of heavy meds, i don't know how you even stand up at this point...i know next to nothing about stem cells and cfs/me but will be interested to hear about it.
- March 31, 2010 at 5:14 PM
- Toni said...
Lots of news from you Terri! First, I'm so glad you worked things out with the doctor. That must take a big load off your mind. Not only does it sound like you have a doctor on your side now, but the SSDI can go forward.
I agree that it looks like XMRV will only apply to a subset of CFS patients. Much to my surprise, I tested negative. I have such a severe case of CFS -- like you am bed-bound much of the time -- that I assumed the test would be positive. But it wasn't.
You were looking for a word to describe your fatigue. The first place I saw the fatigue we experience being characterized "correctly" was on the CFIDS Association website. It describes our fatigue as "bone-crushing fatigue." When I use that term with people, most of them "get" that I'm not talkin' tired or any ordinary fatigue.
On the OI, I assume you've tried Florinef. Sue is the expert here and says it seems to help children more than adults. I tried it and it didn't help me, but I've read about people with CFS -- adults -- who have been helped. It's an alternative if the Midodrine causes your blood pressure to go up.
The stem cell treatment sounds exciting. I'm glad you have the opportunity to get try it. I didn't know it was available to people.
And, lastly, I haven't watched The Shield but, I agree that The Wire was excellent. Not easy to watch, but excellent. I also loved the HBO series Deadwood (warning: lots of profanity!).
I hope the relapse begins to subside soon.
- March 31, 2010 at 7:40 PM
- Alison said...
It was good to read this because I've been thinking about stem cells a lot lately. I was just talking about it with a friend yesterday who has Sjögren's, she was considering another round of rituxamab, I was thinking about the stem cells. I had no idea anyone was using rituxamab to treat CFS. I'm seeing Dr. Cheney for my second appointment in a few weeks, I'm sure he'll bring stem cells up, but I don't know if I'll be ready as soon as May. That seems so soon. I hope it will be a big help for you! And for me too, if I do it.
- March 31, 2010 at 7:42 PM
- Jo said...
I think it's amazing that you managed to work it out with the doc given all the problems you had with him/her and, also your current condition. You are an awesome woman.
- April 1, 2010 at 1:27 AM
- Lee Lee said...
It is so hard to know what to do!!! So many treatment options and non with proven results. The stem cell treatment does sound very interesting. I guess all we can really do at the moment is acknowledge that each up us is different and has this for different reasons. Eating gluten free is essential for me and I know that bacterial gut issues certainly plays into my CFS, but like I said, we are all different.
It's great you have resolved things with your Dr an dyou can now move forward with some confidence :)
- April 1, 2010 at 6:24 PM
- Pris said...
It's good to hear what's going on with you, but not the news itself. I agree with you about the retrovirus. Just too many negative results now to be considered all methodological errors or differences.
Good luck on the stem cell treatments!
- April 2, 2010 at 3:33 AM
- cfswarrior said...
Hi Linda,
I'll keep you posted about stem cells via here and email.
I'm off most meds except for sleep, thyroid, hydrocortisone, and pindolol.
I'm wanting to go gluten and casein free. Once I get my weight up I plan on going gluten free. I think its a good thing to do regardless.
Thanks for the reminder. I'll send you an email over the weekend...
- April 2, 2010 at 4:41 PM
- cfswarrior said...
Hi Toni-
I'm so relieved to have worked things out with my doctor. I wanted to work things out regardless of whether I continued with him or not and was glad for the opportunity and his receptiveness. He really got it.
I'm surprised you tested negative also. We seem to share similar reactions to treatments as well as symptoms so it may well be that I'll test negative also. My blood has been at WPI since early November. While I'm glad they are testing me I am getting frustrated with the length of time its taking. I'd like to know one way or another...
Bone crushing fatigue-that's a great description and apt.
Thanks for the tip about Florinef. I haven't tried it yet but I will if the Midodrine doesn't help (now all I have to do is get the blood pressure monitor).
I'll have to check out Deadwood! The Wire was hard to watch at times. The Shield has some dark intense themes going on also but its so good!
I hope the relapse subsides soon also. It's feeling eternal at this point...
It's always good to hear from you!
- April 2, 2010 at 4:48 PM
- cfswarrior said...
Hi Alison-
How did your friend do on Rituxan? I'm curious about knowing people's experience with it aside from reading about it.
You're lucky to be seeing Dr. Cheney! He seems like he's pretty brilliant.
The May date isn't with Dr. Cheney's group. I don't know when his next group heads down.
Keep me posted on what you decide. I'd like to start a group for patients doing stem cell treatments.
- April 2, 2010 at 4:54 PM
- cfswarrior said...
Hi Jo-
Thank you. That means a lot. In spite of the problems I've had I like my doctor and it felt important to be direct with him regardless of what I decided to do in terms of continuing to work with him.
Even if it hadn't worked out it was worth the effort.
- April 2, 2010 at 4:57 PM
- cfswarrior said...
Hi Lee-
One thing I've learned over these past few years is that the disease manifests itself differently but similarly in all of us so what works for one may not work for another.
I plan on doing a post describing every treatment I've tried over the past almost 3 years.
Going gluten free is something I need to try though.
- April 2, 2010 at 4:59 PM
- cfswarrior said...
Hi Pris-
I agree with you. I'm not pleased with the news either.
I agree with you also about xmrv -there are too many negative results for it to be simply methodological error. While that has been going on in other countries I don't think that's the case here.
We'll see what happens with stem cells. Since I seem to be getting worse rather than better I have nothing to lose...
- April 2, 2010 at 5:03 PM
- cfswarrior said...
Hi Ginger-
I don't use that email address anymore. I'll see if I can still access it to get your email address.
I'll send you an email over the weekend. It will be good to reconnect!
- April 2, 2010 at 6:28 PM
- Alison said...
I know it was hard for her at first on the Rituxan. I remember she had a lot of fevers and felt worse for awhile, but lately she has made a significant improvement, her joint pain has kept her in a wheelchair and she's been able to walk and stand for a half hour to an hour. She's not sure, but she might do another treatment. Thinks it might be worth it. Her blog is at novelpatient.com if you want to ask her anything.
A group for stem cell patients is a good idea. I'll definitely keep in touch about what I decide to do. I think Cheney will probably talk me into it, he is pretty brilliant, which can be persuasive.
- April 2, 2010 at 7:28 PM
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- April 2, 2010 at 8:23 PM
- Janis said...
Hi Terri,
I'm also considering stem cells. The thread on Phoenix Rising is most informative. Copy me any info you collect from patients with ME/CFS who've tried it.
Glad you have reduced meds. I found over my long haul (23 years) with this illness that taking meds usually ends up making me more toxic. My doc now has me off all benzos and I am actually sleeping.
Your friends are right about going gluten free. Test your genetics at enterolab.com. If you are one of the 66% with the allele that attacks gluten, you'll gain more weight when you get off, but it takes 1-2 years for the gut to fully heal.
- April 3, 2010 at 6:22 PM
- mojojojo said...
Hey Terri,
Such exciting news. Like Janis and Alison, I'm also considering stem cells if NT with homeopathy doesn't lead to full recovery. And I am XMRV positive via culture.
I look forward to see how you do. Mid-May is so soon!! You're brave to consider this, but at the same time, there's really not much to lose in our position, and certainly even less so when you're bedbound 22 hrs a day.
Thanks for keeping us posted!
- April 4, 2010 at 7:44 PM
So sorry to hear you crashed, cfswarrior. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for you re SSDI. Curious, where will you be going for the stem cell?
I second the Florinef. It helped me at least get my low BP under control. I could stand without dizziness. A huge win. Digoxen and Atenolol helped with the high HR/Heart palps. But the crushing fatigue and weakness, no magic bullets yet...
Thank you for keeping us informed of your experiences. It does help so much to read them!
Take care!
- April 6, 2010 at 11:41 PM
- Annie said...
I'm so sorry to hear of your crash too! I'm going through one as well and I'm crossing my fingers that you get the best treatment possible :)
- April 8, 2010 at 7:18 AM
- Nicky Reiss said...
Please forgive this less than personal comment - am trying to get the word out on this important issue for the ME/CFS community.
I've just sent this letter to a few doctors, psychiatrists, and psychologists whom I know personally. I urge you all to do the same. Thanks.
Dear Dr XXX
I know how busy you must be, however I feel this situation is an urgent one for hundreds of thousands of people across the UK and the world, and your specific contribution can help save many ME/CFS sufferers from the dangers of being falsely labelled as psychiatric cases and thus denied more appropriate medical care.
I urge you to write a comment advising against the proposed new category "Complex Somatic Symptom Disorder" in the DSM-5. Comments coming from medical professionals will hold far more weight than comments from others.
The proposed revisions are discussed here:
Their cautious wording sounds benign, but the end result for patients with a serious medical (not psychiatric) condition is far from benign. The most extreme case in the UK involved the death of Sophia Mizra who died of ME after being institutionalized in a psychiatric ward (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_Mirza and also: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5112050.stm and: http://www.investinme.org/Article-050%20Sophia%20Mirza%2001.htm)
Please also read the letter from the International Association for CFS/ME commenting on the DSM-5:
and especially the letter from Mary Schweitzer, which can be found here, the last item on this page:
Dr. Schweitzer's eloquence speaks for many hundreds of thousands of people suffering from ME. I do hope this will persuade you of the importance of also writing on our behalf. The deadline for comments is 20 April 2010. Please write now! The instructions for how to do this can be found here: http://dsm5watch.wordpress.com/dsm-5-proposals/dsm-5-proposals-sub-page-3/ under the item labelled: Important Alert to the CFS/ME Community
Please feel free to pass this message on to other health professionals.
Thank you very much indeed.
- April 8, 2010 at 12:29 PM
Hey I am bedridden almost 24 hours a day as well. I have been for 1 year and my mother has been for over 20 yrs, unable to do anything. I will follow this blog, please keep up all updated with your progress in Stem Cells and any other treatment. I am considering Stem cell as well. Praying for us all!
- April 16, 2010 at 6:12 PM
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- May 7, 2010 at 8:58 AM


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Technology: It's In The Genes
One hundred years old, that's how old my dad would have been this month. That infernal internal combustion machine, called the automobile, chugged and clamored through his childhood. In 1918 his older brother, Ralph, gave his summer earnings to their folks to buy their first car. My dad at seven years old, and his eight year old brother Clive, took to the automobile like ducks to water. Tinkering with the car provided much more excitement and interest than feeding the horses and cows, or cutting ice or wood. Watching their older brother Ralph, remove the radiator in the below zero weather and place it behind the kitchen wood stove so it wouldn't freeze made tinkering with cars and their parts an okay sort of activity and even a necessary one.
By the time the family made their first trip out to California from Minnesota, the two young brothers were only 10 and 11 years old. Even though they were just little boys, whenever Ralph had to work on the car, Harold and Clive were eager helpers. With just a few tools, screw driver, knife, couple of wrenches, and hammer, the three would dismantle and put the car back together. By the time, the family arrived in Calipatria, the boys were on their way to being good mechanics.
They just wanted to know how this new-fangled machine worked and no one was around to tell them that they were too young, didn't have the right tools, didn't know how it worked. They just figured it out. Even though dad had less than an eighth grade education, he spent the rest of his rather short life looking at things, figuring out how they worked, and then doing it. Never asked anyone if he could design and build his own equipment, take apart airplanes and then rebuild and fly the planes, or take a dream and make it real -- he just did it.
My dad would have liked to have known my son. He would have understood his grandson who looked at computers, and asked, "How does that work?" My dad would have nodded approvingly, as my son, barely out of his teens, blithely chatted away as I watched in dismay, while he disassembled my first computer (a 1981 Osborne) at the kitchen bar. He would have understood that young man's desire to not only understand the "nuts and bolts" of its hardware, but delve into the abstraction of software to design complex possibilities which in turn become a reality – from designing and programming "fuzz-busters" for combat aircraft to machines that assure food quality and safety.
I wonder just how this desire to delve into the new cutting edge technology will play out in future generations – I do believe it's in the genes.


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Extreme Prototyping is an architectural process for developing applications, especially web applications, in terms of increasingly functional prototypes. At a high level, it breaks down web development into three distinct phases. The first phase is the static prototype, consisting of HTML pages and possibly a logical data model supporting those pages. The second phase is a coding process in your chosen web framework whereby the screens are fully functional using a simulated services layer. The third phase is where the services are implemented. The process is called Extreme Prototyping to draw attention to the second phase of the process, where a fully-functional UI is developed with very little regard to the services other than their contract. This deliverable, much like the static HTML prototype, can be considered a prototype, albeit a dynamic one.
By using Extreme Prototyping, you will be able to substantially shorten the requirement cycle and also the development cycle. Extreme Prototyping will allow you to consistently estimate and deliver your projects faster, cheaper, and better. Extreme Prototyping achieves these results primarily by breaking down the dependencies between multiple teams and thereby allowing parallel development. Extreme Prototyping continues to put extra emphasis on executable deliverables.
If you imagine system development as a set of concrete deliverables, you can imagine an "Extreme Prototype" to consist of three bricks, as depicted in Figure 1.
Figure 1. The three bricks of Extreme Prototyping
The first brick is the Static Prototype. Based on this prototype, the UI brick and the Service brick can be developed fairly independently and brought together toward the end of the project for an integration alignment. The service contracts (or blades) should allow for a perfect alignment in any typed language.
Iterative approaches such as Extreme Programming recommend building and delivering your working programs in small steps and doing so often, especially in terms of executable code that is delivered daily and weekly. Nevertheless, there are assumptions for this to work well. The team has to be small enough to handle the continuous feedback. If projects have a tendency to be cancelled, the partially-baked project is another reason to take that step; Extreme Programming works best when all the teams are fully committed to carry out the project to the end.
Extreme Prototyping with its three phase approach is orthogonal yet symbiotic to the iterative process. The static prototyping phase ensures project commitment from the business. The dynamic prototyping phase ensures speedy delivery without depending on a service layer implementation. Delivery and demo of the dynamic prototype to the users will provide feedback on a midpoint of the project. The service implementation phase, which can start in parallel with the dynamic prototype, has a clear service contract to fulfill. Iterations are can be employed within each phase as appropriate.
Many IT projects start with a requirement phase that delivers use-cases. Business users are expected to understand these use-cases and sign off. What happens more frequently in the field instead is that the business team gets lost in sticky figures, activity diagrams, and so on. So much time is spent elaborating on these use-cases that in the end, all the allocated budget (and more) is spent before writing a single line of code. The key is to wrap up the use-cases very quickly and use them to derive an HTML prototype that is as complete as possible. It is easier for business teams to validate and agree on a prototype. The clarity of prototypes will work as a catalyst to complete the use-cases and act as an antidote to the analysis paralysis.
Extreme Prototyping via static prototypes can also aid in budgeting and planning. Very often a business seeks an estimate for a project based on just a vision document. The estimate would include all the phases of a project including build and delivery. Estimates based on this document are subjective and will have a lot of variability. The anticipated cost may close the project down. Instead of putting an request for proposal (RFP) for the whole project scope, the business team could put together an RFP just for the Static Prototype. This will yield an estimate that has a mostly fixed cost, and the deliverable is readily reused in an eventual estimate. Subsequent phases can then be budgeted and planned.
Here is an outline of an Extreme Prototyping process:
Extreme Prototyping starts out like any other well-planned project with a Static Prototype, but distinguishes itself in the coding phase of the UI. Extreme Prototyping strives to see the UI deliverable as another prototype with a thoroughly spec'ed service layer. In this sense, the UI layer is defining an API for the service implementers. This is similar to how various JSRs are developed. One body defines the standard and the API, and number of companies implement that standard using the common API. The UI implementation will then be followed by the service implementation.
The Static Prototype starts with a vision first. From the vision you recognize and write down a series of users that would be using the system. You write down goals for the system. The analysis can take the form of actors and use-cases, or a word-processing document outlining each need. The key to Extreme Prototyping is to minimize the details in these documents so that most of the requirements are captured primarily in the prototype.
One of the early resources that needs to be engaged is the prototyper. You want to hire a prototyper that can grasp your vision for the project after a few sittings with the users and can lead them to a final solution ably and quickly. The key for the prototyper is to understand the system well enough, either by talking to the users or reading documents, whichever is faster and more efficient. You want this prototyper to have the following skills:
I expect web-based tools to emerge rapidly in the next few years to aid in Static Prototyping. I am especially fond of project portals where a project is started in a company by allocating a website to it. Everything that happens to the project is captured with ease on the project web site. I have used this very effectively for a couple of projects, as described in How to Publish Multiple Websites Using a Single Tomcat Web Application. All project-related communication and assets are portrayed via web presence. For instance, users can enter their wishlists for the system as a series of documents online with out any additional tools. Discussions and elaborations can take place for each posted item. The items can be classified into modules and searched if required. The prototyper can take notes on the project website while in meetings and capture the tacit knowledge. All emails related to the project can be tagged and made available as conversations on the website. This early knowledge aggregation will help the developers downstream to quickly decide what needs to be done on a particular screen or in a given situation.
Prototypers typically use Dreamweaver, FrontPage, or just plain HTML-enabled editors for developing the actual prototype. Whichever tool you choose, the following support will be useful:
I expect online web tools to emerge in this space as well. Recently, I have been experimenting with knowledgefolders to do the following:
The conclusion of this phase will be a clickable website that will reproduce the user experience as close to the real thing as possible. Usually the following would have gone into this effort:
A Static Prototype that is fairly complete has hidden assets that can be mined. The primary one is the logical data model that is necessary to support the prototype. Screens, much like use-cases, will make evident the main topics or logical entities or tables in a database. The summary and detail screens will reveal the relationships between tables. Various form elements and display elements will clarify field-level attributes of a table. In short, it is possible to derive the logical data model from the screens. The logical data model can further be converted into a physical data model. At the end of this, it is possible to produce a database ready for development by the developers. I call this Static Prototype, when accompanied with an instantiated database, is an Extended Static Prototype. The Extended Static Prototype is a logical unit that can play a role in division of duties.
Companies often evaluate to see if certain software is best developed outside due to expertise or time and resource constraints. The main drawback to outsourced development is how the delivered software will fit into the internal architectures and resources, not to mention to the coding standards and the rigor expected internally. An Extended Static Prototype can solve this problem. A company can choose to outsource an Extended Static Prototype and the variability of an Extended Static Prototype is small. This means there are very few places that the outsourcing company can go wrong. The technologies are known and what is delivered is conceptual. On the other hand, the source code for a website has a substantial variability. So by outsourcing elements of least variability you will come out more satisfied. Under this scheme, an outsourced company that specializes in websites and can give a working prototype along with the logical data model to the in-house development team. The development team can then develop the concept using any of the chosen frameworks. It is like a tag team, ready to run from the start.
Another asset that can be directly derived from the prototype is the set of test cases for each screen. Together the additional deliverables of an Extended Prototype can be summarized as:
The primary goal of a dynamic prototype, abstractly speaking, is to separate the known and unknown so that progress can be made in the known space. UI programmers, on the receipt of a Static Prototype, will proceed to create a UI layer that is completely functional. UI layer will talk to the service implementation through one or more of service interfaces. It is possible to complete this working UI layer without ever implementing a single line of the real implementation. The finished UI layer will be complete in the following respects:
Despite the seemingly hard exterior of typed languages, they provide the basics needed to successfully execute a dynamic prototype. The key is enforcing the contracts in terms of well-defined objects and the service API.
The one question that begs to be asked is: if you're going this far, why not implement both layers together? The primary reason is to break down the dependencies between the service implementation team and the UI team so that both teams can be productive simultaneously. It is very common for the UI team to sit paralyzed until a database instance, domain objects, or a service layer is in place. How can they code unless they know all these details? The goal of dynamic prototyping is to answer this question with simulated APIs and allow UI to proceed without service implementations. By having conceptual domain models for screens and screen-level objects it is possible to envision the system in terms of these objects and then let the service layer contracts translate these objects into proper implementations. By taking this approach both UI and services teams can start their work simultaneously.
While following this process UI programmers often question about what goes into the UI layer and what goes into the services layer. How far should they go in the UI layer? How do you draw the boundaries? Some of this is clear enough where data access, storage, and business logic that is devoid of screen influence is relegated to the service layers. Sometimes another way of looking at this can help you. If you know how to execute or perform a certain function clearly with the information you have in the UI layer, then do so. The moment you run into a roadblock where you can not proceed in the UI without knowing some piece of information, make that unknown a service and simulate it, like everything else, allowing you to postpone that unknown while you proceed with the rest of the UI. In this sense the interfaces are treated like the boundaries between known and unknown.
If you examine closely the dynamic prototype that is being suggested here you will see that it is advantageous to represent an HTML page as a
Page object in memory. This
Page object parallels the physical HTML page: it will have data on it, it will have actions on it, etc. Consider the following code:
public class MyWebPage
//Concentrate your data in one place
//ui controls
//Population etc
//Actions on the page
public class MyWebPageData
//data only
All the data on a web page is encapsulated into a page object. This approach has the following benefits:
Consider the following architecture in Figure 2, where an action on a web page is directly accessing the DAO objects and manipulating them for a certain business purpose.
Figure 2. Actions directly using DAOs
In this scenario, the
Action class is responsible for two things. On one side, it interacts with the UI of which it is part of. On the other side, it interacts with business logic. There is a distinct advantage in separating these two concerns. If the action class can postpone the business concern through a stub or a service, then the UI can be built independently of the business service. This will allow division of labor and hence quick deliverables by throwing more people at it.
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Figure 3. Actions using services
The key features of this design are:
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Figure 4. Actions using services via a static wrapper
IServiceInterface will define services. There may be a couple of these interfaces in the whole project.
The key concept in dynamic prototyping is to build the system (as much as possible) as if there is a services layer implementation from the start fulfilling the contract. Initially, the implementation is going to be using some mechanism to simulate the contract. The static wrapper or an equivalent scheme can nicely package the interfaces into some sort of a distributor, where multiple implementations can co-exist. The article Server-Side Typed Event Distributors further explores these ideas and points to an architecture where each method of an interface can be gradually refined for a final implementation. Under this architecture, the static wrapper will look more like Figure 5:
Figure 5. Design of static distributor of services
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In this phase or layer you will accomplish the following:
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Once the logical data model is in place it makes sense to describe the relationships of tables in an annotated document called an annotated logical data model. Each page will have four or five tables and describe how they are related. This is in contrast to a single logical diagram that spans a wall in an office.
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Extreme Prototyping allows you to make a steady progress while postponing the lesser known issues to the rear which gets worked when their turn comes instead of tackling the entire problem once. In the process, it offers the following benefit:
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|Aleister Marlowe
|DM Beckett
As Han snatches a vial (of Alch Fire) from the Goblins hand, the Goblin begins to cry nfrustration, and bites Hans wrist (1 nonlethal) in, what to the Goblins is an epic grapple. The other vial drops to the ground, and the other 4 Goblins literally dogpile over it, each trying to have the fire. Shouts in both Common and Goblin can be heard, "Mine!", "No, it mine!", "Uh, uh, I saw it first. I leader, it mine!", . . .
The last goblin, also drops his vial, and falls over on his face. Still breathing, he convulses a few times.
This is mostly RP, not really combat. For the most part, you can auto succeed in most actions against the Goblin Prisoners, as everyone is pretty much crammed into the small room.
|Desgryn VolStaad
Perception: 1d20 + 4 ⇒ (17) + 4 = 21
Seeing that the chest has been looted Desgryn turns his attention to the prisoners.
"As we've said, if you want to make it to where you are going with breath it will be best to drop everything. Someone get the armor off of them and tie them back up please."
At that Desgryn begins to channel energy to heal the wounded.
Channel Positive energy: 1d6 ⇒ 3
|Han Van Thao
"Stop fighting or no one get it." Han picks up the vials amidst the brawl and threatens to break them unless they calm down.
|Grundle Farbon PFS
The flail makes a thud as it drops to the ground. Grundle walks slowly over to the goblin convulsing on the floor.
He reaches down and grabs the goblin by the hair it has and places his other hand on the bottom of its jaw.
|DM Beckett
"Stop fighting or no one get it." Han picks up the vials amidst the brawl and threatens to break them unless they calm down.
This leads to even more chaos as the Goblin's unanimously start to shout "BREAK THEM.!.!.! BREAK THEM!.!.! Over here, No over here, No, here,. . . Throw it at Skullgobble. No you. No you!" in a cacophony of Goblin's shouting directions.
All of a sudden, all of the Goblins start to pile onto Han, one literally putting a foot in his stomach and holding his forearms to get up to eye level, another trying fervently to pry a vial from his hand, and another riding piggy-back, and possible unaware of what it's actually trying to do. Under the sudden influx of weight, Han disappears in a pile of Goblins.
As Desgryn calls upon the healing rain, the gentle divine powers that sooth both body and soul, one of the other Goblins waks up. As it begins to stand, two of the Goblin Prisoners leap off of Han, and begin beating it to a pulp until it again falls over, not quite dead, but likely wishing it where when it wakes back up.
|Han Van Thao
|Desgryn VolStaad
Coming up to the goblin pile he starts trying to pull goblins off of Han. He ties knots of goblin hands and feet whenever he can get his hands on him with the hemp rope from his pack.
|Grundle Farbon PFS
Grundle cries in anger and twists sharply on the goblin's jaw and head in reverse directions.
Coup de Grace 1d20 + 4 ⇒ (13) + 4 = 17
Damage (fort save or die DC if damage doesn't kill) 1d8 + 3 ⇒ (1) + 3 = 4
|DM Beckett
Sorry, I just got back from the field and am exausted. Which Goblin, Grundle?
|Grundle Farbon PFS
|DM Beckett
Ok, just wanted to make sure it wasn't one of the other goblins that had stood back up (and dropped again).
Seeing their goblin tribesman's lifeless body after Grundle picks it up and with an audible "SNAP", drops it to the floor dead, the other goblins stop in their tracks, all eyes on Grundle.
They begin to back away from Grundle (and Han) into a corner, not sure what to make of the situation now. The one Goblin drops the other vial, which lands softly in the thin layer of snow, whil ethe other Goblin, who seemingly eat a vial, still lies on the ground in pain.
Also, there is a new Boon out on the Paizo Blog. I'm going to grant that boon (now) and work it into the story a bit. A heads up though, after yu get a copy at the end, make sure to back it up. They tend to take down the links after the time period. Also note that for the Boon, you only have to recieve it in that time period, not actually use it. :)
|Grundle Farbon PFS
Grundle glares at the goblins, and looks at the rest of the group. "Sorry if that ruins anything, but these pig faced turds only respect violence."
He picks his flail back up, crosses his arms, and waits for the prisoners to be tied up again.
|Han Van Thao
|DM Beckett
@ Grundle, I'll be honest, even if you fail the overall mission, this is bloody priceless. :)
On another note, for the remainder of the day and night, the Goblins do not act up (much), though they are well known to have very short memories. Does anyone wish to do anything more here before we move on?
|Han Van Thao
|Aleister Marlowe
|DM Beckett
I forgot if I designated a time of day previously, but I'm going to say that you have a good 4+ hours of travelling daylight with time to set up a camp.
|Aleister Marlowe
"We have a few hours until nightfall. The rate at which these goblins move we might not make much progress at all. These towers might make good shelter if we want to bunk down early, or we could simply press on."
|Aleister Marlowe
|Han Van Thao
Yea, that's a thought. Though I'm good to go with 4. Less people to wait on.
"Good idea. Do not know if we can find another spot to camp."
|DM Beckett
I was concidering that, honestly, but wanted to give a little bit more time. I know that Arush left, but I haven't heard from Betoruga, and there is a chance he is without power, so I didn't want to replace him without hearing unless it keeps going on. So, do you feel that you would need another player? I am good either way, honestly, though I do like to offer new players a chance to play as much as I can.
|Han Van Thao
I don't think we need anymore. We're not missing any role or anything. If you had someone in mind, sure. But I don't think we need to put the mod on hold to recruit a replacement.
|DM Beckett
I wasn't going to put it on hold. I'm basically leaving it to a vote.
So far 1 against.
|Desgryn VolStaad
I'm ok either way
What are hp counts at currently? Judging by the tags under the name plates Han looks to be the only one bellow full but I just want to make sure
"If you feel it would be wiser to remain here so be it but I would hate to waste the daylight. We are working on limited time. As for our..er.. Passengers. It seems that Grundle motivates them just fine."
|Grundle Farbon PFS
Grundle gives a toothy grin at Desgryn's observation. The muscles on his face twitch at first with the unfamiliar expression, and then he remembers how to smile. And then remembers where he is and with what, and promptly scowls again.
"I'm tired. We should stay here for the night. Let's see if we can barricade what's left of this door, too. I'll take the first watch." With a sharp glance at the huddled goblins he says, "An' I'm tired o' hearin' these wretches for one day and night. Somebody gag them so we can at least get some good sleep when we're not on watch."
Thanks DM Beckett, this is my first time playing a character with this violent of a backstory and this much hatred for Goblins (or any race). Thanks for giving me the leeway to RP it!! Also, I vote we stay here :) And continue on, if you want to extend an invitation to some of the people who originally applied, I wouldn't be against them joining. As far as Betorouga, I'd assume he's without power. Maybe his char is just silent for now.
|DM Beckett
Deciding to post up here, the characters begin to set up camp and make some rudimentary defences.
Within an hour, it become very clear that the weather will turn. It's getting colder, and while there is still light, clouds begin to cover the sky, foretelling a rather miserabl night, even indoors. The Goblin Prisoners, even whie prompted with threats of Grundle's temper, refuse to help. When forced, again, they seem to go out of their way to complicate things, doing things wrong on purpose, pretending to not understand, and soon are constantly wanting food. And fire.
The Goblin that swallowed the vial earlier, eventually gets up, and crawls to a corner, still clutching it's stomach, which can be heard making all sorts of fluidy sounds.
I need some survival checks, (and to know if everyone is going to try it or if one character will lead and other will Aid Another on it).
Also, will you take shifts throughout the night, all sleep, or what.
If Shifts, I need an order please.
|Han Van Thao
Well Aleister needs his 8 hours to regain his spells, so unless we sleep for 12 hours, it isn't feasible for him to take a shift. That said, if no one has any better ideas, how bout Han - 1st, Desgryn -2nd, and Grundle -3rd.
|DM Beckett
I do have an old friend that may be wanting to join us. He hasn't been able to play anything in a long time due to work, and I offered to let him in, as I do not think Betoruga is coming back by this point, (though he is welcome if he does). Assuming Betoruga is still with the party, he can also take a "shift", and possibly the new player, too, who I think is a Fighter, so for a 9 hour period, that gives 5 or 6 bodies to take a shift, allowing everyone a good 8 hours rest and and hour to regain spells (1 and a half hour shifts).
Just a quick suggestion, though feel free to change it up however you need or like.
1st Shift - Betoruga <0 - 1.5> (essentually filling space at this
point, so nothing will happen on this shift)
2nd Shift - <1.5 - 3>
3rd Shift - <4 - 4.5>
4th Shift - <4.5 - 6>
5th Shift - Desgryn <6 - 7.5> (assuming he prays for spells at sunrise)
6th Shift - Aleister <7.5 - 9> (Last Hour can be regaining spells)
After this point, unless there is something similar later, Betoruga is jut going ot fall into the background, still there in case I hear from him, but not going to do anything, maybe carry things or the like, but no actions. If by the end of the Thanksgiving break I haven't gotten any word, I'll go ahead and remove him from play completely
|Han Van Thao
|Grundle Farbon PFS
|Aleister Marlowe
|Han Van Thao
|DM Beckett
Han (1)
Grundle (2)
Desgryn (3)
Aleister (4)
I'm still waiting on word from the other player, and if so, I'll just say he is 5 for a random roll.
I do need a Survival check from Desgryn (a DC 10 Aid Another check will do it), and to see if he was going to heal any more.
Aftr that, I'll go ahead and close this scene and move on to the next. :)
|DM Beckett
The night goes mostly uneventful, though throughout the night, a Goblin is constantly groaning in agony, which wakes you up from time to time. The Goblins do not seem too affected by the cold, but outside the walls, a severe storm can be heard. On each of your watches, looking outside reveals that the storm is completely obscuring all vision and far below freezing, it woulf be lethal in minutes if unprotected.
In the latest hours of the night, the ambient cold and wind grows so severe, it extinguishes all fire non-magical light. It only lass an hour, but in that time, the cold really begins to bite
Please give me another set of Fort Saves (as before).
|DM Beckett
+1 for Cold Weather, and +2 for a new Survival check, with a high roll helping others. Possibly other modifiers, too, if within reason.
|Aleister Marlowe
|Aleister Marlowe
|Han Van Thao
Fortitude: 1d20 + 4 ⇒ (16) + 4 = 20
Survival: 1d20 + 1 ⇒ (20) + 1 = 21
Han steps out and picks up some of the blossoms before rushing back inside.
|Desgryn VolStaad
Still not sure where everyone stands with hp
Desgryn channels one last time before slipping off to sleep before his watch
Channel: 1d6 ⇒ 3
Survival Aid: 1d20 + 3 ⇒ (7) + 3 = 10
fort: 1d20 + 4 ⇒ (10) + 4 = 14
2nd survival roll: 1d20 + 3 ⇒ (13) + 3 = 16
|DM Beckett
Nice, the DC was 16 this time, (and is going to get worse. . .), but Desgryn's second Survival gives him the +2 he needs, this time.
Everyone heals up that extra 3, and whatever they naturally heal for a rest. The night otherwise goes by uneventful, though the rest, even for a field rest, was not comfortable or even particularlly restful at all. The Goblin Prisoners, all slept just fine, dogpiled and spread across each other like beasts.
End of Scene
|DM Beckett
Act 3: Last Night's Campsite
The following morning goes well. Everyone is able to regain their strength and rekindle their powers in reporation for the following days travel. A few more ays to go, and this will all be over. As usual, the Goblins demand their breakfast almost as soon as their eyes open, and continuusly insist that they are still hungry.
Also note if you are switching out any spells or casting anything early on.
As you have begun to travel, a thick snow has caused pretty much every step to be Difficult Terrain. An overflow of snow blocks the path you needed to travel so as you divert a bit, going up a small hill to go around, . . .
Some Init, Stealth, and Perception rolls, please. . . Dun, Dun, Dun
|DM Beckett
I've also learned a new DM trick, and the Link to the Map is right after me DM name, near the Avatar. Check to see if it works, please and let me know.
Keep in mind, that all scuares on the map are difficult terrain, essntually costing double movement. This also means no Charge, no Run, no 5ft Step, and no Withdraw actions.
One other note, I DM different games, so I will likely in the future add other map links. Please do not click on or mess with them. I don't mind you taking a look.
|Desgryn VolStaad
|Han Van Thao
|Aleister Marlowe
|Grundle Farbon PFS
Init 1d20 + 3 ⇒ (15) + 3 = 18
Perception 1d20 + 2 ⇒ (14) + 2 = 16
Grundle doesn't roll stealth, he's moving at the back of the pack behind the Goblins where he can keep an eye on them. And he's clanky.
|DM Beckett
Wolf Init: 1d20 + 4 ⇒ (1) + 4 = 5
Wolf 1 Perception: 1d20 + 8 ⇒ (18) + 8 = 26
Wolf 2 Perception: 1d20 + 8 ⇒ (10) + 8 = 18
Wolf 3 Perception: 1d20 + 8 ⇒ (18) + 8 = 26
Goblin Init: 1d20 + 6 ⇒ (13) + 6 = 19
|DM Beckett
Goblin Prisoners
Wolf 1
Wolf 2
Wolf 3
Rounding a natural corner trying to make your way to the top of the hill, you spot three young wolves heading your way. You seem to spot each other at the same time, though it is possible they had caught wind of the prisoner's stench before now. All look to be hungry, and look at you savagely as a blessed rare meal in these cold wastes.
The Goblins seem to regain some of their morale as they notice the predators, and
|Aleister Marlowe


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These days, when the flurries turn to inches (or feet) my reaction is somewhat different. Oh sure, the first real snow is magical. A gorgeous blanket silently sweeps over the Upper Delaware Valley and everything slows down for a bit. Putting on the gloves, coat, hat and scarf isn't an inconvenience (yet) and the dog's excitement is infectious, causing me to laugh and take pictures of the pup's enthusiasm, as I delight in her exuberance and admire the sparkly wonder that will soon be frozen ice balls embedded in her fur. Sigh.
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Since it didn't "show any signs of stopping" and I heard my joints a popping, I slumped into a chair and picked up my New Year's resolutions list from 2012 to check off all of my wonderful accomplishments over the last 12 months. Sigh. "If at first you don't succeed," I wheezed, taking note that all but one on the list were still in need of resolve. Oh sure, last January was fraught with problems and most of those are (thankfully) behind me, but still... Time to put on my big boy (snow) pants, I suppose, and wipe the slate clean. Scribbling away, I scratched out a new list, keeping some old, adding some new and reminiscing about the good old days (I mean last week).
Unwilling (unable?) to remember much of what had transpired in 2012, I let my mind wander to the last few hours, and recalled that I had run into some interesting folks before the storm hit. Sullivan West (www.swcsd.org [2]) students Raina Bowers and Jessica Ellsworth were in Callicoon (www.cafedevine.com [3]) last Saturday, displaying what they described as "Abandoned Art," which piqued my interest. "All of these pieces were left behind by students," Bowers explained, "and our teacher, Mr. Layman, had this idea. I just took the ball and ran with it." Drawings, paintings, sketches and the like were spread on a table and the "suggested donations" collected support the Parent Teacher Student Organization (PTSO) at the school. "We don't have a website for the project yet," Raina said, "but hope to soon," so I will be sure to follow up on their worthwhile endeavor.
Hearing live music, I turned my attention to another duo-in the form of "Campfire" Jones and Drew Kelly, who were also in the place, entertaining the art lovers with their bluegrass pickin' and winning smiles.
Handing me their card, (570/877-3085) the boys informed me that they will be "opening up the New Year's eve party at Mel's (www.melsplacepa.webs.com [4]) in Greeley, PA" and suggested that I check it out. Right. New Year's. Sigh. Turning their card over in my hand, reverie shaken (not stirred), I surveyed the landscape and shook my head. Momentarily present, I buttoned up the overcoat and grabbed Dharma's leash. "When we finally kiss goodnight," I whimpered, "I'll hate going out in the storm." She cocked her head and scampered off before hearing my final, pathetic (yet lyrical) proclamation: "But if you'll hold me really tight," I sighed, "all the way home, I'll be warm."


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I'd like to see some of the MDA fans rationalize how they're so sure MDA will deliver us a championship when they agree that defense wins championships and agree that MDA isn't a defensive coach.
Look Musketeer; your a hell of a basketball poster, your a true NYK fan. I enjoy your insight. Can also tell you love your NYK team like a true New Yorker. Trust me, I respect you for that .
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagee. We're two different fans. One is no better than the other. We're all NY fans who want the best for this proud franchise. I'm willing to give this man a chance to W in NY. 1st & foremost; I feel he deserves the chance to compete during this years playoff run along with an offseason to gel with our 3 stars. After 10 years of hard times...I actually like the sounds of two Western Conf Finals in 4 years, 4 consecutive trips to the playoffs with 54+ wins. Two with 60+ wins. Game 7 against a Dynasty Spurs team, 4 top 5 offensive attacks, winning % of .650 after 4 years, winning record during the playoffs, 5 out of 8 playoff series won, coach of the year honors, coached with team USA, won championships all over Italian & Europe leagues, Star players are willing to play for him, etc.
I'd like to see some of the MDA fans rationalize how they're so sure MDA will deliver us a championship when they agree that defense wins championships and agree that MDA isn't a defensive coach.
I'm just thankful for this team. I believe & feel it could be much worse for us.
If Phil doesn't retire; whats the chances of Jackson leaving a proven team & franchise, For NY; when LA could land Howard until Kobe retires & have one of the NBA's best front lines of all time?
Whats the chances of Riley leaving for NY during the next 3 years; without Riley 1st coaching a more experienced team; with an improved PG, C &-Or Bench?
Whats the chances the CHI coach leaving the Bulls? MVP Rose, All-Stars in Noah & Boozer with a team thats 2 & 3 deep @ plenty positions?
JVG is not the answer. I loved JFG, but he led us to 1 Finals during the weak years of the East, after CHI fell off & got killed by a power-house Spurs team. Ewing was hurt, but still, we put up no fight.
Doc Rivers? No thanks. KG, Pierce, Allen...Rondo, Perkins, Big Baby...Shaq. I see 3 superstars, 2 or 3 stars & 4 BIG's who can D, rebound, contest shots & put up points. Who would be Doc's 4 BIG's for a top 10 D? Amare, JJ, Turiaf & Shelden?
Those are just some of the names I've seen MDA doubters throw out there.
I've also seen little talk of Sloan. We all know Sloan is a great winning head coach, but he also had a very deep Utah team this year, led by one of the top 3, if not the best overall PG in the league in D-Will. Sloan still didn't have Utah in position to compete or even stick with SA, LA or even the Thunder. How many years did Sloan coach Utah? Over 17-20 years right? How many trips to the Finals? How many years did Sloan have one of the two greatest PG's of all-time in Stockton along with one of the top 5 PF's that ever lived to play the game in Malone? Has to rank as one of... If not the greatest PG+PF duo's of all-time no?. How many rings do Sloan, Stockton & Malone combine for?
I just see too much winning success in MDA during only 4 years with PHX. Finals & Championships or not; he's only been here for not even 3 years. 2 of those years were with pre-MDA-predicted disaster cap hell rosters. This has only been his 1st NY chance..
Those teams in the OP didn't win bc of defense, holmes. Any more than a wealthy hedge fund is wealthy because it's employees are good with numbers. Yes, they are, but it's so besides the point, and arbitrary/secondary, insofar as the causality and point you're trying to make; especially when the most legit and impactfull of causes...shred the causality trying to be made.
OP's teams won bc they,
Have some of, if not the, greatest collection of NBA talent and winners in the history of the game, and legendary dynasties. Period.
A top to bottom juggernaut team of depth and defense (DET, which, btw, was a team that few of the masses said could win a chip, either...)
And a BOS team headed by a chopping block coach defiled by his fan base and analysts more than D'ant ever has been, and ever will be; headlined by a defensive turnaround,
Because several elite players were brought in, including a bonefied Defensive MVP type, who, as a player, changed their entire team culture.
This OP and thread is another logical fallacy wrapped up by the logical fallacy that MDA as a coach cannot coach a good defensive team, and that we cannot win a title with him.
Sensationalized, and generalized, speculations that might be true, sure. But very poor ones, that likely aren't. Possible, just not probable.
Which team won the title without having its roster complete and having no pre season training ?
Yeah that stat probably doesn't matter though.
I'm not saying that you MAY not be right about MDA but you can post a million stats as to why but you're pissing in the wind like the rest of us until he's given the chance to succeed or fail.
Some of us on the forum tend to overplay the player aspect, while others overplay coaching and strategy. But one thing is certain, (pay attention) no defensive coach, or defensive strategy can overcome having bad defensive players.
What puts you in the best position to win w a solid, consistent team defense is if your best players are also capable, or even great defenders. This makes a coach's job so much easier because you DON'T HAVE TO SCHEME AROUND BAD DEFENSIVE PLAYERS THAT YOU ALSO HAVE TO GIVE BIG MINUTES TOO. This is such a basic, fundamental point that people don't understand. Guys like Jordan, Kobe, Duncan, Pippen, Isiah Thomas, Magic, Kareem, Shaq, Wade, Garnett, Pierce were all great two-way players. U need them to win it all. If you have bad defenders you have to give minutes to because you need them on offense your screwed.
Another thing about Mike D's old teams that kept them from being better defensively is you had Nash on the perimeter, who ideally you'd like to have just funnel guys to a shot blocker. But Mike D had no shot blocker. Amare sucked at blocking shots back then and Diaw was no shot swatter by any means. They tried to bring in Shaq but he caused the Ssol offense to sputter and never quite meshed w Nash and Amare, especially Amare who often found the paint clogged as he looked to go into his faceup move.
The type of center Mike D needs is one that can shoot it some from the outside for when Amare gets doubled, who doesn't need to establish his game in the paint where Amare needs lanes. He needs to be able to run and block shots or take charges on D. If that kind of player was available when Mike D was coaching in Phoenix, I think they could have -again- been better defensively.
1 team that won a championship in recent years that didn't have legendary players on their roster was 1 of the best defensive teams in recent memory, the Detroit Pistons, so the theory that it takes legendary players to win a chip has already been disproven.
But let's compare the present day Knicks with the Lakers team that had a 21 out of 29 defensive ranking, they still had role players step up their defensive effort in the playoffs like Robert Horry, Rick Fox, Derek Harper, Brian Shaw & Horace Grant. I think the Knicks' supporting cast players we currently have can fill those roles in the postseason just as well, guys like Toney Douglas, Ronnie Turiaf, Shawne Williams, Jared Jeffries, Roger Mason, Anthony Carter & Shelden Williams have all shown an ability to play defense, the only question for me is will this coach be able to get those guys on the same page by the time the postseason rolls around or is his system fundamentally flawed in that aspect of basketball for it to happen? Judging from MDA's past teams' ability to make it to the WCF I believe we are close, but it will take a higher awareness & dedication to playing defense & controlling the pace of the game if this team is ever going to be a serious championship contender IMHO.
That Muskateer's research, legit? Most definitely. The facts? True and honest. The effort and presentation? Terrific and commendable.
Their conclusion -- that a good to very good defensive team is a likely requirement to have the best shot at winning chips? (obviously) True.
His conclusion -- that this reflects directly on D'anton in some major or obvious wayi; that it any way reflects that those coaches are superior to D'antoni (though most are); that the statistics have most to do coaching wizardy and defensive genius, and the ensuing tethering to a D'antoni Fatal Flaw,
Stated facts, which are true, and have true causalities and conclusions tied to them (which you detailed in your post above), and that bear signficence to a discussion on the Knicks's winning a title and what the Knicks need,
instead warped, and desperately tethered to a separate speculation, and attempt to justify an arbitrary conclusion, creating a logical fallacy.
Another logical fallacy -- 1STAT's post, which I too agree with at the end of the day. But, mentioning that one team out of this all-powerful list won a chip, without "legendary players"....Totally true,
But doesn't disprove you "need "legendary players. First, I never said that, and if i messed up and said "you need legendary players" i was wrong, and didn't intend to state that as an absolute.
*But*, just like Muskateer is trying to say you generally need a good defensive team to win a title (true, of course), and that outliers; freakish occurrences; and that which is *unlikely* shouldn't be relied on to best win a championship. Ergo, MDA should go ASAP because the bottom-line is that he represents the course of most resistant, and *the least likely* way we can ever win a chip.
The Piston team you mentioned is just that -- an unlikely, rare occurrence. Based on the exceptionally rare depth/quantity of sick defensive players. Even here, we are talking about players -- and elite players. In this case, elite players regarding defense/team defense.
This still opposed to the most likely necessary, and important of things -- "legendary players". Which let's simplify to say Really Good Players.
And for the purpose of this discussion, that you need (good) players above all else. And the examples Muskateer provided, and detailed, show that it is the players -- above all else -- that dictate the championships,
Including dictating the defense a team needs to win them. Which, I'll give total credit, Muskateer perfectly and totally elucidated and described. And did so in really ****ing good presentation.
The buffer for all this, is that regardless of speculations (mine included) about MDA on defense...on offense...how his past can be interpret, how it can be used to forecast our future,
The most undeniable metrics for a team's success and the subsequent evaluation of it's coach....are undeniably in MDA's favor with the Knick's at this point.
When MDA actually begins to truly underwhelm (the playoffs, and at the latest early next season seems like it'd be a valid time to re-evaluate his job with our latest roster)....but when our team and our team's players....underperform to the expectations of Knick fans and analysts at large, the massive influx of anti-MDA threads and talk wouldn't just be expected...but for me, would be most appropriate.
Just like Doc Rivers was a donkey about to be fired who couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag. His team wins, and you forget about everything except the performance of players, their expectations, and if they are ultimately winning.
Isyah please explain...
The most undeniable metrics for a team's success and the subsequent evaluation of it's coach....are undeniably in MDA's favor with the Knick's at this point.
Pretty much every single one of them has been met, or exceeded. Granted, maybe we really tank rest of season -- even with Melo -- and, or, get roasted in the playoffs. That will change things, but to date at least....
Actually, the biggest MDA skeptics, haters, whatever...had the lowest expectations as a whole, and have had them met the most.
They don't post as regularly anymore -- not slagging them for that, they just aren't as visible (abcd, eg).
MDA was supposed to NOT let this team be able to make the playoffs, have a quality record, develop *any* young talent. So those things then became the main metric for him to be judged.
Our win/loss, making making playoffs, and the general perception of "could they really }^*% those fools up?" type of ability to score an upset. Plus, just overall evaluations of players (including AR, which is a neg...but also, Fields/Chandler/Gallo/Douglas, and even STAT who quite a few didn't think would be able to put up *these* numbers)
edit -- perhaps there is a method to his madness, and not just a madness to his method.
IMO comments like this ruin a thread where people are presenting well thought out opinions & backing them up with solid reasoning. Whether you agree with them or not, if you can back up your logic with facts the way the OP has so done then it makes for a great thread. Minimizing everyone's opinions with snitty comments does nothing to add to the overall thread. & I don't say that to get on your case I think you're an awesome poster dude, but doesn't everyone deserve a chance to voice their opinions too as long as it's not done in such a way to incite childish negative commentary?


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A Smokin Week
Can't imagine what is was like to live in "Tony's World" this week between the success at Eldora and then today's race at Indy. Way to go Ryan for winning and kudos to Smoke for 4th place. That was some wicked driving on the restarts Tony! I can see you back in the top 10 after Pocono!


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Visit source here: http://www.wholesomebabyfood.com/veg...ave%20nitratesCan I safely make carrots or other vegetables that have nitrates?
What does the AAP really say? The AAP recommmends NOT preparing these foods <carrots et al> for a baby who is younger than 3 (three) months old!*
For spinach, its nitrate levels may actually increase with improper storage, they recommend 8 months old!
"Because the intake of naturally occurring nitrates from foods such as green beans, carrots, squash, spinach, and beets can be as high as or higher than that from well water, these foods should be avoided before 3 months of age, although there is no nutritional indication to add complementary foods to the diet of the healthy term infant before 6 months of age"
and "Preventive strategy would be not to introduce home preparations of these vegetables to infants before 3 months of age, although there is no nutritional indication to add complementary foods to the diet of the healthy term infant before 4 to 6 months of age.23 Infants fed commercially prepared infant foods after 3 months of age generally are not at risk of nitrate poisoning, although the containers should be refrigerated after first use and discarded within 24 hours of opening. " American Academy of Pediatrics - Nitrate Statement
"Because vegetables, including green beans, carrots, squash, spinach and beets, can have nitrate levels as high or higher than that of well water, infants should not eat these foods until after age 3 months."
Second, and second-most - jarred commercial baby food carrots (and other jarred commercial baby food vegetables) have nitrates too! Nitrates are naturally occurring and thus cannot be removed! Even jarred organic carrot baby foods have nitrates.
Green and root vegetables contain the most nitrates; spinach, lettuce, broccoli, cabbage, celery, radish, and beetroot, carrots, cauliflower, French beans, parsnips, peas and potatoes.Still, we are at the most risk of nitrates through our drinking water supply.
Infants over the age of three months usually begin to have an increase in the amount of acids in their stomach. These acids kill most of the bacteria that convert nitrate to nitrite. By the time a baby is six months old, the digestive system should be fully developed with none of the nitrate-converting bacteria remaining. When cooking vegetables that may contain nitrates, you might want to puree with water other than which the spinach/carrot/broccoli etc. was cooked in.


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Phillies Season Over Too Soon
The Phillies lost Game 6 of the NLCS to the Giants last night, prematurely ending their season. The Giants will go on to face the Texas Rangers in the World Series while the Phils sit at home and watch. Having made it to the World Series two straight years, this loss was tough to take.
The game ended, perhaps fittingly, on a Ryan Howard strike out with 2 men on base. Howard struck out 12 times in 22 at-bats and had zero RBI the entire series. This performance was a microcosm of entire Phillies playoff run where the big producers did very little. Chase Utley hit .182 with only 1 RBI; Shane Victorino batted .208 with only 2 RBI; Carlos Ruiz hit .167 with only 1 RBI…you get the picture.
In last night's game, the Phils had plenty of chances to turn things around and force a Game 7; they simply did not do it. Roy Oswalt pitched a great game while Jonathan Sanchez did not.
The Phillies took advantage of Sanchez early in the 1st inning; after a walk and a wild pitch, Utley doubled, Howard singled and Jayson Werth hit a sac fly. Two runs scored and it looked like the Phils were in control.
It started out similar in the bottom of the 3rd inning too; Sanchez walked Placido Polanco and then hit Utley in the upper back. As Utley ran to first, the ball bounced to him; he caught it and underhanded it to Sanchez who then started spewing cuss words at Utley. If you read his lips, Utley said, "What? What's bulls*it?" And then the benches cleared…
Here are some photos I took and I have marked where a few interesting things are going on in the group. You can see Carlos Ruiz getting pretty angry; Utley running in while Polanco tries to restrain a Giants player; Pat Burrell right in the middle of the argument having words with his old friends; JC Romero trying to hold back Sanchez:
Utley and Sanchez have a history; Sanchez threw at his head on 7/30/09, to which Utley said nothing. Later, Utley called time out during his at-bat and Sanchez got mad about when he called it. Utley then took him deep for a homer to right. Apparently, Sanchez has issues with Utley.
Anyway, after the near-brawl on the field, Sanchez was pulled; the Phillies had two free base runners with NO outs and still failed to score. That may have been the moment that changed the entire season for the Phillies. Because in the top of the inning, everything had gone wrong for the Phils defensively. Getting a run after that may have made the difference.
The 3rd started with a hit by the pitcher Sanchez which Utley should have fielded and did not. A single and a sac bunt were followed by this missed fly ball to Victorino:
On the very same play, Victorino threw home and Ruiz made the tag to save a run:
The Phils could have escaped with just the one run scored but Polanco got a ground ball and was charged with a throwing error as Howard did not make the catch at first. Frankly, it looked like a ball he should have caught. Another run scored on the error to tie the game 2-2.
It was a virtual stalemate after that for a while. The Phillies had chances to score, like in the 5th when Howard doubled but the 3rd base coach held Jimmy Rollins at third. With two outs and little offense working, he should have been sent home.
In the 6th, Raul Ibanez doubled and Ruiz moved him to third with a bunt. But pinch hitter Ben Francisco went down on strikes instead of hitting a much needed sac fly. No scoring…again. In all, the Phillies left 11 men on base and went 2 for 11 with runners in scoring position. It was a lackluster effort, just like most of this series was for the Phillies.
Werth did make a heroic catch in foul territory, which was one of the few highlights:
But in the 8th, forced to pitch his 2nd inning of the night, Ryan Madson gave up a solo homer to Juan Uribe which broke the tie. The Phillies could not manage a rally, down by only one run and with many base runners. They lost 3-2 and sent the Giants to the World Series.
I would like to congratulate the Giants and their fans for the victory. They are a great team who fought hard and earned it. The Phillies did not play like the team we all know and that is the most disappointing part. But to have made it this far is still an accomplishment as 26 other teams did not.
In the coming days, I will be analyzing the aftermath and looking ahead to what next season might bring. For today, I will quietly mourn the end of the 2010 Phillies season and try to look on the bright side later.
Here is the full Photo Album from the game. It includes game shots, pre-game, Darren Daulton tossing the 1st pitch, Kane Kalas singing God Bless America and more…
Photos by Jenn Zambri Photography
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Jenn, so sorry it didn't work out for your Phillies last night. I know the feeling, obviously. It will get better!
Jenn: I'm rooting for the Giants…sorry. I can't root for the RANGERS, now could I? But I wanted the Phillies to win only so the ratings on TV would be a little better. That's not going to happen…without the Yanks OR the Phils, the ratings are going to SUCK!
Oh, and I can relate to how you feel. Losing is really no fun😦
Wild how in both LCS last contests the team being defeated best power option got to take the last swings.
That made it possible for the unthinkable to happen until the last yelp of the Home Plate Umpire. I would rather have it end with a great hitter swinging and missing then a short dribbler to the second baseman.
The illusion and the hopes of a win got to last to the last ounce of energy by both Howard and A Rod.
I am sorry for your seasoin to be over, but in no way has 2010 been a failure or disaster.
Fighting to the last swing is what makes teams like the Phillies the odds on favorites every pre-season.
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It was a game the Phils should have won. It was the second game in a row they should have won. And that is the difficulty of it all. If they'd just been outplayed, well then…..but Cody Ross is NOT 'the great Cody Ross' as the Fox broadcaster said. yuck.
Well…now we adjust to life without the Phillies. It is never easy – but that final strike out will taunt us for a long time, I'm afraid.
This was a week I needed a win from the Eagles!
The Phillies put up a great fight. Not sorry they lost, but sorry you're not happy about it, if that makes any sense.
Carol… He may not be 'the great Cody Ross' (yet) but he sure was great in these last two series, you have to give him that. While the final strike might taunt you, it was all of those other at bats by 'the great Ryan Howard' that should be focused upon.
The Phillies are laced with talented arms and powerful bats and it was a HUGE accomplishment for any team to beat them in a 7 game series.
Jenn, I know all too well how tough it is to watch every pitch over 162 games, only to fall short (for the Giants, WAY short these last few years) of anything great.
Best of luck next year! (See you on July 26th)


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