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Need to Know: Why haven't the Redskins released RG3?
Feb 11, 2016, 5:14 AM EDT
Here is what you need to know on this Thursday, February 11, 13 days before the NFL Combine in Indianapolis.
Why have the Redskins released RG3?
—There isn't any indication out of Redskins Park as to why Robert Griffin III remains on the Redskins' roster. I suppose they had to go through a process where after the season ended they went through and make sure that all of the principles were on board with the decision to let him got. But that process should take about as long as the Hall of Fame committee debate over enshrining Bret Favre—a matter of seconds, not days.
—I suppose that they could be holding out hope that some team will try to trade for Griffin. As I noted here a couple of weeks ago, Griffin would have to agree to a new contract for such a deal to happen and he has no reason to do that and plenty of reasons not to do anything to facilitate a trade. Griffin will want to explore his options and use whatever leverage he has to make the deal that's best for him. A sign and trade scenario is the worst option possible for him. But apparently they are in a "never say never"
—One reason the Redskins are able to hang on to Griffin for now is that the $16 million in cap space he currently occupies isn't doing the team any harm or preventing them from doing anything they want to regarding signing players. NFL teams do not need to be in compliance with the salary cap until the league year starts at 4 p.m. on March 9.
—And being on the Redskins roster really doesn't damage Griffin to any appreciable extent. He'd probably like to get out there and talk to some teams and although he could sign somewhere if he was cut the CBA prohibits him from working out at the facility or even talking football with a coach. If he plays it smart he won't jump at the first offer that comes along anyway. It would serve him well to slow play things and see how situations unfold in placed like Los Angeles (yes, I almost typed St. Louis) where Nick Foles may or may not be back, Denver, where an untested Brock Osweiler is likely to need a backup, Houston, and several other places with quarterback uncertainty before joining a new team.
—The bottom line is that the Redskins will release Griffin on their own timetable. They won't do it at a particular time because fans want it to be done soon or because the members of the media (at least those who are married or otherwise attached) don't want it to happen on Valentine's Day. They will do it when it suits them best, no sooner and no later.
—The Redskins last played a game 32 days ago. It will be about 213 days until they play another one.
—About 168 days until centers and linebackers report to Richmond.
—Days until: NFL Combine 13; NFL free agency starts 27; 2016 NFL draft 77
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- colorofmyskinz - Feb 11, 2016 at 6:04 AM
It is to no advantage to us to allow other teams longer with him. I imagine they take it right up to the hour. Why allow him to sign and start studying another teams playbook, especially if they are in our division.
If there is an option for trade, you bet you hold out. I still can't understand why they did not attempt a contract change after executing the extension. They could have told him listen, there is no way you will touch the grass this year and you will ride pine at third string unless you reconsider a contract restructure. He may have been second string and had a chance at stealing his job back with a possible injury had he took a contract restructure. He could have had a chance for a midseason trade if he had taken a restructure. Instead he rode pine inactive all year which hurt his value. It was foolhardy of the redskins to not attempt it and for RGIII to not consider it.
It would have been better for him. He could have been traded to Cowboys midseason or to Denver midseason or even cinnci. But his contract kept all suitors away. Foolish on our part and RGIII for not developing a market value contract that would have been in the best interest of both parties.
The final mismanagement step of the front office with that pick in my opinion. Could have had a better salvage value plan.
- sidepull - Feb 11, 2016 at 6:28 AM
I think one aspect of Rg3's value increased. He is as healthy as he could be and that is a good starting place for the next team he goes to.
- Thetruthis - Feb 11, 2016 at 11:10 AM
Goobly gook hogwash! RG3 in no way under any circumstance should have renegotiated anything with Washington after the way they handled him. They had their chance and they blew it. So, what in their handling of him would make him want to place his trust in them???? No, RG3 did the exact right thing. Perfectly, given his situation. In no way should he have allowed himself to be traded to whomever by washington. Because it is far far better to find your own deal at the most opportune time. Which is after the season is over and teams are making their moves for the coming year-like draft time. Don't be fooled about value my friend, value is determined by the buyer. Just because Jay Gruden does not value Griffin, does not mean other far wiser people do not. Perceived stock value is not the same as true value. And there are a lot of smart teams that are just salivating over getting a mishandled RG3 from the likes of Washington. By giving him this year to get healthy and to show his true character is only going to bring his value up in my belief.
- bangkokben - Feb 11, 2016 at 11:51 AM
Of course he shouldn't. That is why reasonable people think it's not happening. Then again, who knows if Griffin would rather be traded then have the label: CUT or WAIVED by the Redskins attached to his resume.
- Pete Bowling - Feb 11, 2016 at 9:05 PM
What team wants an uncoachable loser ?
- William - Feb 12, 2016 at 11:00 AM
What team Wants Kirk Cousins weak-arm ass,the Man cant throw deep if his Life depended on it…….nor can He handle play-off pressure! Get us a Real QB n let Kirk go….we WILL NEVER go anywhere with him!!!!
- Young Den - Feb 11, 2016 at 11:11 PM
Remember he was deemed the starter last January. Also he was the FRANCHISE qb so the skins wanted to lock him in. At he end of the day Kurt is the guy and they will get young tough talent in the draft or free agency. Nobody trades with the redskins cuz if they did Kurt would have been traded last off season when the skins put him up for a trade with the Browns and they said no!! The skins had one good season with him. It shouldn't be a big deal but for some people love the Drama that comes with RG3
- howie70 - Feb 12, 2016 at 8:29 AM
Side note…its Kirk, no Kurt.
- colorofmyskinz - Feb 11, 2016 at 6:14 AM
Or quite simply they could have chose not to extend the contract and he would have been trade worthy all year. Could have got draft picks and all and they blew it because the head office Snyder was not in alignment with his coaching staff.
Total screw up in the front office in this one every way you look at it.
- colorofmyskinz - Feb 11, 2016 at 6:33 AM
You most definitely don't go from a QB competition, to a starting QB selection without practice, to a contract extension, to third string without complete misalignment in the front office.
- bangkokben - Feb 11, 2016 at 10:12 AM
All those decisions were and had to be made BEFORE actual football activities. Not even allowed to talk football with the coaches. The Redskins gambled and lost. Had Griffin had a season like Cousins, there would've been a bunch of back slapping and high fives. Instead we bought high and rode that stock to zero. It happens. Get over it. The fact that we couldn't get a nickle back is irrelevant.
- Scove - Feb 11, 2016 at 10:21 AM
Kinda to your point, nothing tells me that, given the weapons Kirk had this season, RGIII couldn't have done what Kirk did. How many games did Kirk win when he played under the conditions and personnel that RGIII played with? People will point to the preseason game in Detroit but will leave out the would be TD that RGIII threw to Garçon, while under duress, that was DROPPED. I challenge anyone to YouTube that game and try to blame RGIII for those sacks.
- bangkokben - Feb 11, 2016 at 11:47 AM
As much as fans would like to believe that it's just games including preseason games, it isn't. That is just what we as fans see. Coaches see OTAs, training camp, classroom, etc. In other words, a whole bunch of criteria we as fans don't see. Now I suspect that even if we did, there would still be a significant portion of fans that think that Griffin didn't get fair shot. To that, I say, it doesn't matter. We can't root for the team, take player's sides, or both. At the end of the day we have to move on.
- Thetruthis - Feb 11, 2016 at 11:13 AM
There was no screw up in the front office. There was an alignment with Jay Gruden and the skins putting their faith in him. Period. Me personally, I would have fired him year one and brought in someone who would have fulfilled his promise of developing my top pick RG3. Period.
- Rich G - Feb 16, 2016 at 9:27 AM
Exactly! People forget that Gruden was brought here to develop RG3, which he never really did, or tried to do to begin with.
I think they haven't cut RG3 because of Kirk. If he doesn't resign who do we go to? I think Scotty M. Does see talent in RG3, i dont think he believes in Gruden at all.
- fwhalstead1 - Feb 16, 2016 at 2:38 PM
Maybe just maybe Robert's development was hindered NOT by the Coach but maybe Robert himself? In essence dropping Robert to 3rd string was not some decision that was made in the dark by a coach because he HATED Robert, rather this decision was arrived at collectively by the owner, GM, and Coach. Now Gruden probably made the call of which of the 2 he was gonna start but I think it very clear that SOMETHING and SOMEONE other than Robert was gonna have to run THIS offense if the team was going to develop. So in short he (Gruden) may have been brought here to develop Robert (no one knows because we weren't in on the interview process) but you can believe that if the ENTIRE organization thought the coach was the problem well he'd be GONE! At some point Robert has to run SOME COACHES offense and based on my DAILY attendance at camp last year and especially during the scrimmages with Houston it was quite clear that Robert was unable at this point in time of his development to do anything other than tuck the ball and run when pressure was applied. He may well go on to have quite a bit of success in his next stop. No one will know until he plays again and it won't be based off of the 2012 season because that style of play and that ship have sailed. best of luck Robert!
- howie70 - Feb 17, 2016 at 9:29 AM
fwhalstead1….that may be the best and most logical comment I have read on here!
- Rich G - Feb 11, 2016 at 6:41 AM
They want to restructure his contract and keep him on the bench. They know he has talent, he just needs to learn to read defenses at a pro level, and the correct way to drop back.
Why draft a young QB when you have. Already on the roster?
- Rich Tandler - Feb 11, 2016 at 8:01 AM
They don't want to restructure his contract and even if they did there is no chance that Griffin will agree to a new deal to stay. There is a reason why he was the only one of about 70 players in the locker room to completely clear out his locker the day after the season ended.
- Just love football - Feb 11, 2016 at 3:06 PM
Is that a question that was ever actually asked? That seems like a tough question to ask another person given the situation, so I kinda wonder about it. Earlier in the year London Fletcher said something different.
- Mr.moneylover - Feb 11, 2016 at 8:39 AM
I don't think they tryna trade rg3…I think they wanna keep him around if they can…they look at the vet QBs who gonna be available in free agency and I think they see its not many good options on the market…colt McCoy most likely won't be back so its hard to see redskins drafting two rookie QBs in the late round jay gruden like to keep three QBs
- bangkokben - Feb 11, 2016 at 10:15 AM
Where is Colt going to go? Someone will want him over any of the re-treads or the rookies? I don't think so. Maybe Colt thinks so but I think the consensus is in on McCoy. Let's face it, McCoy is Gruden's Rex Grossman.
- Scove - Feb 11, 2016 at 7:24 AM
I'm not a Redskin fan but this whole RGIII situation shows that the Skins still have the dumbest organization in the NFL. Skins fans aren't much better. Let's review. You have a Heisman trophy winner that won Rookie of the Year and won them a division championship that they hadn't had in a million years….playing behind the league's worst O-line. Then they let him stay in the NFC Championship game hurt, after he had them up 14-0 on the Legion of Boom….we all know how that ended LOL. Then the geniuses let him rush back year 2 and play with a bulky knee brace, and wondered why he had no mobility and wasn't the same Smh. Then year 3 they play him in a brand new system ran by an unproven rookie head coach, again behind a terrible O-line, no receiving threat beyond Garçon and allow him to get hurt again. Then before year 4 gets started, they allow him to get destroyed in PRESEASON. After all this the brilliant Skins and their fans are screaming that this guy is a bum, doesn't belong in the NFL and are anxious to cut him….oh because Kirk Cousins, who won 9 games against losing teams, is the answer Bwahahahaha! Send RGIII over here and sign Kirk long term PLEASE so us Cowboys fans can look forward to dominating y'all again!
- Let's See - Feb 11, 2016 at 8:24 AM
True that…..he is not the best QB out there, but when healthy (please give this man an o-line) he is as good as they get. Hey Falcons, I hope you are reading this….Mattie's alright….but he taking us to the promised land.
- shermanp79 - Feb 11, 2016 at 8:55 AM
So much of that was rg3 and his ego, then factor in the Snyder relationship, that's why things went that way a couple years ago. If Shanny had his way Cousins would of started the 2013 season. It was also DR Andrews who claimed he couldn't do anymore damage during the SEA game, so the ACL was either already torn or Andrews committed malpractice. The pressure of the player didn't help the situation, especially when he wasn't being truthful. RG3 was more concerned with being the hero and after Cousins had some success RG3 wanted no part of him stealing his thunder.
So, we have that straight, I'm not surprised a Cowboy Fan is here talking crap. Put down us so you can forget how your team SUCKED!! You talk about dysfunctional front offices….LOL Jones isn't exactly on top of the list. He hasn't built a team since Jimmy left, has been a joke among many analysts for years so I'm not so sure you should be throwing insults of our BLOG. Maybe go to yours and scream for a real GM, something Snyder figured out…FINALLY!! What makes it look even worse for Jones, you guys have had what most would consider a top of the league QB for years. You speak of Cousins, do you really want to take a look at what Romo has done, coming up lame how often?? Not sure your the one to rag on us when right now you seem to have a worse front office/owner.
- Troop - Feb 11, 2016 at 9:45 AM
I'm a Redskins fan and I completely agree with you 100 percent.
- renhoekk2 - Feb 11, 2016 at 9:56 AM
If anything you said was true then there would be stuff coming out from the other players to the media. There was not one player in the locker room grumbling or questioning the move to Cousins. With 24hr sports coverage and social media, the only reason for that is not one player on that team thought it was the wrong move. Why do you suppose that is?
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 11, 2016 at 10:10 AM
Nothing but insinuations on that opinion. You are trying to base your argument with no evidence. To hold a stance where you think just because you didn't read or hear any players against the move to switch QBs then it means they supported it.
- wvredskins - Feb 11, 2016 at 3:57 PM
No you are an RG fan. Big difference.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 11, 2016 at 4:41 PM
Apparently insinuations is all you can offer. Find me a player that supported replacing RG3 as a starter. Then we can discuss this like adults. Otherwise, thinking the worst about someone is providing nothing more than hate. It's a shame with a Cowboy fan has more to offer in a discussion than some of you Redskins fans..
- Scove - Feb 11, 2016 at 10:03 AM
You're really comparing Cousins to Romo?? Really?? Stop it lol. Listen, I'm not even in here trying to hype up my Boys because you're right….we currently suck! Absolutely. Now what? Does that change the fact that the Skins are FAMOUS for making stupid decisions? How do you know it was RGIIIs ego that was a problem? Because the media said so? Because Shanny said so? The same Mike Shanahan that can't get a coaching job now to save his life? Because Darren Woodson said RGIII was a jerk? The same Darren Woodson that said he'd intentionally try to hurt Cam Newton by "taking his knees" out? Consider the source, my friend. Your beloved Santana Moss said he never saw an ego with RGIII and, in fact, RGIII was one of the hardest working players he'd ever played with. Shouldn't you as a Skins fan believe SMoss before you believe the media?
More concerned with being a hero? What professional player wouldn't want to die on the field for their team before conceding injury?? Isn't that what you want in a QB? That's why your Head Coach is supposed to be an adult/leader and pull the injured player out regardless! You see how Panther's fan feel about Cam Newton choosing to protect his body rather than jump on that fumble don't you?
Trust me, I'd hate to see him stay with y'all BUT I'm a FOOTBALL fan first and that's why I say y'all are fools to be trading him before he has the benefit of a decent O-line, a QB coach and time under Gruden's system. By the way, my suckie Cowboys may not be good, but they've been better than y'all….12-10 over the last 22games. Fact.
- Chuck Ribeye - Feb 11, 2016 at 11:23 PM
Not sure why anyone with common sense would think the Cowjokes are a superior team in any way, even with Rome at the helm. Last time I checked, in the blast 15 years the Cowboys have been to the playoffs a total of 3 times and 1 win, which is the exact same record for the Skins over the same time period. Glad the Cowjokes are kings of regular season's .500 ball clubs. I digress…I am a fan of RG3, but I have seen former players and coaches break down RG3's last season with the Skins…a healthy RG3, and it was painfully clear he had no skills reading defenses and any throws beyond the first receiver. He holds the ball too long and gets himself hurt, because he can't even slide worth a flip. I wish him upon my Cowboys faithful, because he will be hurt or benched in his first season playing with you. You think this guy is the answer? Tell me this, when he was dangled as trade bait this past season, how many teams offered anything to take him? ZERO…that's right Cowchokes fans…he is a shadow of his former self and all the wishing in the world won't change the facts. HTTR
- colorofmyskinz - Feb 11, 2016 at 6:38 PM
I am diehard redskins fan and yes our front office had been flat out dysfunctional until they brought Scot in.
- skinsgame - Feb 11, 2016 at 11:04 PM
Including trading all of those for a gimmick QB who couldn't read a defense.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 11, 2016 at 9:12 AM
Many of your points are valid, factual, and have been part an endless debate with many fans critical of RG3. So nothing you provide hasn't already been discussed. Many Redskins fans share this viewpoint of how the organization has managed RG3. While many other fans won't accept those points as excuse enough for a player to struggle as a starter. There is also a similar divide across the board with all NFL fans.
I've never met a Cowboy Fan that even has a solid understanding of this game. So don't be so quick to pat yourself on your back and call out Redskins Fans. Also your organization has it's own issues. What sound organization lets the owner play GM? Yes, the Redskins are a severely flawed organization but the Cowboys are equally screwed up.
Worst O-line in the NFL? That's hyperbole since the O-line was good on run blocking. However a poor pass protecting O-line just the same. IMO, the organizations biggest mistake in helping RG3 to succeed here was signing Gruden as the HC. As a fan, there is nothing I can do about that so I have to move on by focusing on the roster and staff we have. I suggest you move on as well since you have plenty issues to discuss as a fan about your own crappy organization
- Scove - Feb 11, 2016 at 10:16 AM
No Cowboys fan ever had a solid understanding of the game?? LOL! Are we going to talk football or just say silly stuff to each other? I've been watching/playing organized/studying football for the past 37yrs. And again, YES my team has sucked.
It had been nationally known that during RGIIIs stretch as the starter, that the Skins O-line was horrible. Hence the reason they drafted a O-line in the first round. Hence the reason they hired our old O-line coach. So let's be honest about that fact….beyond Trent Williams, RGIII had no protection. Were some…Ill even give you MOST….of the sacks RGIIIs fault? Of course! But that where patience, teaching and far-sightedness should come into play. I wish Kirk luck because he did a pretty good job. RGIII might pan out to be a "bum"….but judging off what he did when healthy even with little or no help….I doubt it!
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 11, 2016 at 10:58 AM
Again, I agree with most your points. While RG3 has issues getting pass protection, RG3 did also have issues with holding onto the ball too long when in the pocket, moving out of the pocket when there was no breakdown, and creating unnecessary pressure by his pre-snap reads. Now I'm sure this led to further stress and frustration by the O-line already struggling to hold their own in pass protection. Did the Redskins have THE worst O-lines in pass protection during this time? No. RG3's issues IMO were due to a culmination of injuries and lack of in development during times when there was coaching turmoil that was followed by coaching changes that also include a West Coast system that is a bad fit for him.
I think you actually have a better grasp about RG3 than the Redskin Fans that are critics of him. You appear to be an exception to the rule for Cowboy fans I run across. The only Cowboy fans I know are from the DC area who are either family members, friends, or locals. All are not strong followers of the game and enjoy playing the role of antagonist in the area. When RG3 moves on I hope he plays well regardless of the team he place for. I think the best place for him now is in KC under Andy Reid but I do feel his hear desires signing with the Cowboys as a FA.
- Steven - Feb 11, 2016 at 9:12 AM
Lmao I agree with everything you said, except we lost wild card game against Seattle, not NFC championship
- Scove - Feb 11, 2016 at 9:49 AM
You're right lol. My bad.
- renhoekk2 - Feb 11, 2016 at 10:08 AM
Gotta love it when fans off a 4 win team talk smack. And that smack is thinking your 3rd string QB is the answer to all of their problems. Do you actually read what you type. You believe some other teams 3rd string QB is your answer and is going to lead you somewhere. Yes please take RGIII and start him immediately. Please. When he's not throwing to open receivers and instead is taking sacks remember all of this garbage you just spewed.
- Scove - Feb 11, 2016 at 10:30 AM
It's even more comical when a Skins fan puts all their hopes and dreams into a backup QB that "wins" the starting job and tears up the league…..by winning 9 games….all of which were against under .500 teams LOL. I'm willing to bet a paycheck that you were screaming your head off when that "3rd string QB" was throwing TD bombs all over my team. What has your so in love with Kirk? His completion percentage? What's his completion percentage beyond, say, 20yards? Look that up and holla back at me. It's not garbage Ren, it's facts. Don't be mad, bro
- wvredskins - Feb 11, 2016 at 4:21 PM
Come back to this site next year and see if your talking the same kinda talk. I would def hate to be in Dallas shoes with no QB for the future and a QB who can take a hit with out breaking his collarbone. Atleast we have a franchise qb for the future. BTW You act as if Dallas goes to the playoffs every year? Dallas goes ONE year in the past 5 years and they are suddenly superbowl favorites. They lose ONE player and cant win 4 games? Your a joke and Dallas is a joke!
- wvredskins - Feb 11, 2016 at 4:21 PM
- wvredskins - Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM
I agree. Fans, and people think RG was playing behind a horrible Oline when in fact he was just holding on to the ball to long. Put Kirk Cousins behind center and BAM we have a good oline now. Reason? Because he gets the ball out in time and knows when to take a 3 step drop back rather than taking a 5 step drop back. As harsh as Grudens criticisms were when he publicly humiliated RG on national TV, he gave us an understanding of how bad RG really is/was. Its crazy reading some of these post from fans who think RG was done wrong. He was giving AMPLE opportunity to prove himself. Not just games! OTA's, Training camp, and Pre Season, showed that RG is not yet ready to take over as a true drop back passer. Now if he goes to an offense where he is running the read option/ One Read type of offense, then he can possibly be successful. I am afraid RG is 1 hit away from another ACL/MCL injury that I doubt he would be able to come back from if he did go to that type of offense. One thing that I do know is that he is not yet a true drop back passer and may never be. Some people have it and some dont. Some feel the pressure and understands how to move in the pocket and by time and some are stiff and cant feel the pressure and takes a sack almost every time. This is my opinion. Kirk Cousins is the future and it is time to forget about RG.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 11, 2016 at 4:53 PM
It's your opinion and a poor one at that since you choose to ignore how much severe knee injuries, bulky braces, coaching changes, and new systems has on an impact for a young starting QB. Cousins was able work behind the scenes and craft his game while RG3 had to do so in the field of battle. You act as if Cousins developed under the same circumstances as RG3 which is BS. Let's see how Cousins could handle a blown ACL/MCL. Let's see how Cousins can handle playing with a stiff brace. I doubt anyone would wish such circumstances for Cousins. The point being the circumstances where quite different and you ignorance about this makes you the crazy one.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 11, 2016 at 4:56 PM
Cousins never missed an OTA, TC, or practice that I'm aware of so it was he who had AMPLE time to develop not RG3.
- babyteal1 - Feb 11, 2016 at 4:57 PM
Tell them idiots!!!
- Bahaa - Feb 11, 2016 at 6:09 PM
lol we have a franchise QB? Who cousins/ Cassel/foles a franchise QB really….. We have a mediocre game manager that runs grudens dink and dunk system well against bad teams and is below average against decent teams….cousins a franchise QB now that's a fan for you ….. Don't really know much about football there bud do you
- colorofmyskinz - Feb 11, 2016 at 7:57 PM
So let me tell you something. Yes the injuries a big problem. So don't be w hero and say I can be the starter when you are not ready to be the starter. That is where it all went wrong. "All in for game one" and going over the head of the coaching staff, using the owner to get what you want. Simple. Take your time and recover and not at the expense of your team. Nuff said!
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 11, 2016 at 9:43 PM
Color half of you said doesn't put blame on RG3. The coach decides who starts on the field not the QB, RG3, or the owner. You're speculation and blame game about RG3 isn't going to absolve the organization from mismanaging the QB. He was 22 years old then and needed guidance. You act as if RG3 has say in starting game. What a joke of an excuse for blaming RG3.
- Bahaa - Feb 11, 2016 at 10:23 PM
Wow you guys just hate rg3…..!!!! Is the o line cousins played behind the same line rg3 played behind????? Are the right guard and right tackle in danger of being cut this year ???? I don't think so …. Yes cousins is a dink and dunk QB do he lets go if the ball faster but he's also playing behind a much improved line….. Hey I have an exercise for you…. Sorry to strain your fan brain but go back and see in the games with Desean back when they had longer developing plays and they played a decent defense how many times did cousins get sacked or hit…… I'm sorry things are a little more complex than simplistic fans think just use stats to feed your bias
- Thetruthis - Feb 11, 2016 at 11:16 AM
Finally, someone with a brain!!
- howie70 - Feb 11, 2016 at 2:51 PM
Unlike many others, it would not bother me in the least if Robert goes to Dallas. The think that confuses me is why would Dallas and its fans want an injury prone QB as a back-up to (what seems to becoming) a starting injury prone QB?
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 11, 2016 at 5:04 PM
Tom Brady missed most a season with a knee injury, Peyton Manning more than a whole season due to injury. RG3 has never missed a season due to injury. Todd Gurly had multiple knee injuries as a running back yet was still drafted in the first round. The point is the list of players with no injury history is small. If a team can get a QB with the talent like RG3 on the cheap to see if he can be groomed into a perennial top tier QB then why not give him shot?
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 11, 2016 at 5:13 PM
Ankle injury for Brady
- howie70 - Feb 12, 2016 at 8:42 AM
Surely you're not comparing Robert to Brady & Manning. I laugh when I hear about all this "talent" that Robert has. Being a superb track athlete does not equate to "talent" at QB. Michael Vick was an outstanding athlete but an average QB. He had one year that he completed more than 60% of his passes.
If Robert goes somewhere else and does great I will be the first to admit I'm wrong. If he gets another coach or two fired while stumbling along the Robert jock sniffers cult will continue to make excuses for him.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 12, 2016 at 11:01 AM
Surely I'm not and providing the reality that even severely injured QB in the past are able to recover and continue on with their careers.
I laugh when RG3 is called talented that some assume we are talking about his track speed instead of a strong and highly accurate arm. When you compare Vick to RG3 you are not comparing skills, you are comparing the shades of skin color or their speed. You need to think above the waist since Vick was never an accurate throwing QB.
- howie70 - Feb 12, 2016 at 11:52 AM
"you are comparing the shades of skin color or their speed"
Really? You're going to go there on the skin color?
What I was comparing is exactly what I said, the athletic ability. You could also add the fanatic cult following that thinks neither can do wrong.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 12, 2016 at 3:04 PM
I don't think you have the ability understand nor the credentials to know he won't ever be the same. I'm not talking about him being the same as 2012. I'm talking about RG3 can be better than he was in 2012. His legs are fully recovered. His arm is fresh while it will be a bit rusty wasting away on this team. He can move on and hopefully to a superior fan base than what exist here Washington.
Losing Shanahan's tutelage actually hurt RG3. He did a great job infusing his skill sets into the offense in 2012. The organization lost RG3 by hiring Gruden who isn't capable of developing QBs and can only execute one system. I don't blame Gruden for that but the organization which made such a poor choice in a coach for developing RG3 that its mind-numbing. The should have hired Darrell Bevell who not only help Russell Wilson succeed but was QB coach for Brett Farve.
To compare RG3 to Vick is naive. You lost credibility right there. VIck and RG3 weren't even the same athletic type. VIck was a true running QB with cutback ability where RG3 has never been. Vick couldn't only outrun a player, he could cause them to miss him in open field. RG3 never had the wiggle to run as a running back. What he did was use good instincts with sprinter speed to get him a huge chunk of yards in a very short period of time.
- Bahaa - Feb 12, 2016 at 12:12 PM
…. They are both fast and they are both black that's where the comparison ends …… Rg3 is an extremely accurate passer particularly deep…. He has a cannon for an arm has an extremely fast release compared with dam marinos release …..has an amazing work ethic extremely smart…., the only rookie QB voted to the probowl as a rookie not an alternate…..you don't like rg3 that's fine is he too upidy???? He's gone it's over he'll be winning games elsewhere ……. No need to try and crap on him excusing the stupid decision that was made….. Cousins will be benched in two years for the QB we are going to draft this year and Gruden will be fired at the end of next season after a 5-6 win season
- howie70 - Feb 12, 2016 at 1:00 PM
What do gays have to do with this?
And no, being fast and black (another person bringing race into this) is not where the comparison ends. Vick also had a cannon for an arm. His fanatic cult following also thought he could do no wrong.
Roberts rookie season is over. It was 3 years ago. He has not produced the same kind of numbers since. The jock-sniffers cult blamed Shanahan. He was fired. Now the cult blames Gruden.
Cousins very well may be benched and Gruden may be fired, but Robert will never be what he once was.
- wvredskins - Feb 11, 2016 at 3:55 PM
Yeah coming from a fan from a team that won how many games? You are a douche bag!
- Bahaa - Feb 11, 2016 at 5:46 PM
Absolutely right…… I hate to agree with a cowgirls fan but you're absolutely right….. Look at how Carolina handled cam….. He had a terrible year his second yeah and wasn't injured …. He also had an ego and still does. But they adjusted to system to his strength stuck with his immaturity his ego and look at them now….. We allow an amateur arena legue coach that's in love with his system to bench him for a mediocre game manager because he fits his quick dump system a system that neutralizes a talented QB ….. Well now we have to live with it …. Cousins is Matt Cassell he's foles and will probably be cut in a couple years while rg3 will be in probowls for another team
- skinsgame - Feb 11, 2016 at 11:09 PM
Lol!!! Griffin stunk so bad he couldn't beat out the guy you think was so awful. Faked an injury to get out of a preseason game where he was embarrassing himself again. Good riddance. Go with Griffin to wherever he ends up until he gets cut there too.
- Bahaa - Feb 11, 2016 at 11:35 PM
You're an idiot that doesn't understand football…. Griffin would beat cousins out with any professional coach …… Unfortunately he had a coach that was too in love with his system …. And would rather have a limited game manager that can dump off the ball quickly than modify a system to the strengths of his most talented player like the panthers did….. Cousins will be cut in a couple years and the Rookie QB they draft this year will be the starter……. I'm a Redskins fan I'm not going anywhere can't wait till Gruden is fired after his 5-11 season next year
- Darren - Feb 11, 2016 at 5:49 PM
You are so stupid. All you o line people who say they were terrible, learn how to watch TAPE, stupid stupid.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 11, 2016 at 6:22 PM
The only tape you use starts with Masking. Aren't you the one that can't tell the difference between a 3-4 and 4-3 defense?
- james - Feb 11, 2016 at 6:30 PM
How many people think Robert can survive behind the Colts or Pats o lines.
- skinsgame - Feb 11, 2016 at 10:53 PM
I'm a Redskins fan and you're an imbecile. Anyone that types a sentence, "…the dumbest organization in the NFL" hasn't finished middle school.
- Boo Wiley - Feb 12, 2016 at 11:37 AM
An yeah you right.If the redskins sign Kirk Cousins will be the biggest mistake they ever made.If Rg3 was to have play this year probably would have had even better numbers than kirk with the o line protection.
- skinsgame - Feb 12, 2016 at 11:15 PM
- hail74 - Feb 11, 2016 at 8:16 AM
There was a report after the Super Bowl that the Broncos could be willing to let osweiler walk. They know their going to spend a lot on Von Miller. The report also stated they wanted to sign Tyrod Taylor last year. So after initially hoping rob went to KC to be groomed by Reid, now I wouldn't mind seeing him go to Denver either. They're a team that doesn't need a qb to carry them, which would be perfect for him. What ever happens I wish rob the best but I am ready to move on from him.
- Mr.moneylover - Feb 11, 2016 at 8:44 AM
They not gonna let Brock osweiler walk…they can franchise tag Brock osweiler if they don't get a long term deal done or they can franchise tag von miller….I think von miller will get the long term deal and they will franchise tag Brock osweiler when its all said and done…the broncos know they don't wanna start all over at QB
- bangkokben - Feb 11, 2016 at 11:58 AM
There not franchising Osweiler. They'll have to use that on Miller. Why would Osweiler want to go anywhere else? Any QB – that doesn't mind being ordinary – would want that defense.
- bangkokben - Feb 11, 2016 at 12:00 PM
I think Denver would be a good place for him as well and if I remember correctly it was Griff's childhood team that he rooted for. Shout out to Tim for suggesting it during the season. Rarely, did I agree with him.
- Boo Wiley - Feb 12, 2016 at 11:39 AM
Wrong rg3 will win championships and MVP'S soon!!!
- howie70 - Feb 12, 2016 at 11:53 AM
Boo….you shouldn't be drinking before noon.
- Chris N. - Feb 11, 2016 at 8:18 AM
Why would they release RG3 if Cousins isn't under contract yet? It would be very irresponsible to release RG3 with the assumption you can sign Cousins to a long-term deal and then end up losing both QBs to free agency. Despite what you think of RG3's skills or talents, I think it does help the Redskins' negotiation position (if he is kept on the roster) in dealing with Cousins' agent. You always can re-negotiate RG3's contract if they aren't able to re-sign Cousins. They are just keep all their options open. It just makes common sense.
- Rich Tandler - Feb 11, 2016 at 9:35 AM
They are going to franchise Cousins if they can't sign him. The notion that Griffin is some sort of a Plan B just has no credibility in the real world.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 11, 2016 at 9:44 AM
It has far more credibility in the real world than assuming there is still trade option out there for him. A trade option is no real option at all.
- Rich Tandler - Feb 11, 2016 at 9:48 AM
No, it doesn't. There is very little credibility to a trade option but it's something I've heard as a reason why nothing has been done. There is simply zero chance Griffin is a backup plan for Cousins leaving if only because Cousins isn't leaving.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 11, 2016 at 9:59 AM
Okay, the only logic that is undeniable in this case is that it changes nothing for this organization to keep him up to the March 9th time period. So for this reason alone, I feel it's a smart move by the organization regardless as to deeper underlining reason as to why they continue to do so.
- Bahaa - Feb 11, 2016 at 7:52 PM
Rich is correct they will franchise cousins if he doesn't agree to a contract that what bad teams do…. Denver on the other hand a successful franchise will not franchise Os ….. No successful franchise would franchise an unproven QB and give him top 5 QB money 19 million garanteed….. He will either sign a team friendly contract or he will be let go……… Despite the fact that they really like him
- Mr.moneylover - Feb 11, 2016 at 10:04 AM
Redskins are not tryna rg3… That's a false report whoever got that info…they already know they won't have any buyers because other teams know they can get him for free if redskins release him…what I can tell you is that if they gonna release rg3 they wanna make sure they have a better option and I think currently they see they don't especially on the free agent market with the vet QBs…
- Thetruthis - Feb 11, 2016 at 11:24 AM
RG3 will never agree to play for Jay Gruden and it would not be smart if he did. Cousins knows that, too. Colt McCoy could fill in for cousins any day of the week. If Gruden were not so desperate he would have positioned the skins better by playing both McCoy and Cousins last season and given them both equal chance to show if they have a future GRUDEN QB, not QB because they had one in Griffin. Griffin was just not a Gruden QB. But, instead Gruden put the skins in a very bad place to bet the farm on a hugely unproven QB which is not a smart move. With Colt and Cousins playing they could have gotten a very good rookie type prove yourself long term deal from one of them. I mean really there are play maker QB's like Cam and there are manager type QB's like Kirk. Kirk HAS TO HAVE BIG PLAYMAKERS AROUND HIM TO WIN at this point. And yet it seems the skins are already poised to bet the farm when Colt could have done as well. Who cares if cousins walks, where is he going to walk to and get the same support he has in DC?
- Scove - Feb 11, 2016 at 12:19 PM
- babyteal1 - Feb 11, 2016 at 5:00 PM
Take him Dallas boy….please!!!!!
- John - Feb 12, 2016 at 12:45 AM
Not exactly. Colt was in the same unspoken competition as Kirk and RG3. What did Colt do last year? He threw one pass to Garcon who did all the work on the TD against TN. The defense did the work against Dallas.
Colt is a backup, nothing more. He does not have the arm. If he was all that, he would not have been replaced by Weeden in Cleveland, who was replaced by McCown and Manziel.
- Boo Wiley - Feb 12, 2016 at 11:44 AM
Kirk will throw 29 int's before he throws 29td's and we can bet the farm on that.
- howie70 - Feb 12, 2016 at 11:54 AM
You would have already lost your farm Boo.
- Mr.moneylover - Feb 11, 2016 at 8:33 AM
I told everybody scot m. Is his own man…he will not fold to the media all because the media wants him gone faster then ever…with the lack of talented QBs coming out the draft its actually benefits RG3…redskins will have to go after QBs like cardale Jones or Vernon Adams in the late round if they want backup QB for kirk cousins… I wouldn't be surprise if they some how keep him…scot m. Will not be spending a lot of money in free agency…redskins should take a page out of Denver broncos book and keep the QB you groom…I personally got a feeling that they already talk about it and scot m. Probably thinking if he want to do it or not because scot m. Loves rg3 and still thinks he can play at a high level…they probably looking at the vet QBs who gonna be on the market and probably thinking what I'm thinking Theres not a better option out there on the market who can backup kirk cousins…its gonna be a long process to see if a better backup will come available…I personally like the rookie QB Vernon Adams but hes a year project and somebody else will probably get him before the redskins do in the late round…
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 11, 2016 at 8:49 AM
Good points Money about the quality of backup QBs. However, I'd expect if they really wanted a backup then they can stick with last season by working to resign Colt McCoy. Maybe he is not interested in the team or maybe the team is just not interested in him. That I can't know. However, the challenge in keeping RG3 as a backup is that would be a big hit on the salary cap. Retaining both RG3 and Cousins could be very expensive. I just can't imagine RG3 having any interest in being a backup so I have to assume the organization would have to absorb the full 16 million in order to keep in on. Include a Cousins signing of between 15 and 20 million then it could be as high as a 36 million dollar salary cap hit for next year. The team can't put both on the same field so that seems like a very expensive option when only one of those players will actually play.
- Mr.moneylover - Feb 11, 2016 at 9:12 AM
It won't hurt whatever moves redskins will do in free agency by keeping rg3 on the roster Scot m. Is not gonna pay the big bucks in free agency… If rg3 contract was a issue they would've cut him before the nov3. When they had the deadline
- Thetruthis - Feb 11, 2016 at 11:29 AM
Why cut him to pay him to play against you. The skins were already on the take to pay Griffin this year and also for the cap hit for the most part. And no one knew what kirk was going to ultimately do.
- Mr.moneylover - Feb 11, 2016 at 9:07 AM
Colt McCoy don't want to sign with the redskins unless he get a chance to start… And Scot m. Not willing to resign the 31 year old… So colt McCoy is out the picture
- Bahaa - Feb 11, 2016 at 7:57 PM
No dude RG3 is gone….. He's going to be a star elsewhere ….. It's the best thing for RG3 to move on and the redskins aren't going to pay 16 million for a backup….. No way in hell he renegotiates his contract he is gone and whatever less talented QB they draft this year will be the starter in two years when the reality of cousins is made clear and it will sooner rather than later…. Ask Cassel and foles about that
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 11, 2016 at 8:39 AM
I commented on this before the Superbowl.
RG3 is the only QB on the roster with a contract. What NFL teams are willing to work a trade when they have not seen RG3 play in over a season? Most, if not all, teams interested in him would want to see RG3 work out for them before giving any consideration about signing him. Why would RG3 even agree to a trade deal when he can use the leverage of the FA market later to bolster his salary?
Good organizations and smart businesses never leave themselves vulnerable. Releasing RG3 now would do just that since it would leave them without a quarterback on the roster. I fully understand that a Cousins deal is probably inevitable. However, until it official that a contract deal is done, or about to be done, then what do the Redskins gain in releasing RG3 now instead of waiting until March 9th? Like it or not but RG3 on the roster gives the organization maybe the only piece of leverage in a contract negotiation with Cousins. If RG3 is released then there is no leverage, none.
Finally, a company should never not expect the unexpected. In a business, have you ever heard of the old adage "What happens if you are hit by a bus?". That adage applies to Cousins when considering releasing RG3 now. In the chance of some unforeseen accident or incident that results in Cousins being injured or worst, having RG3 provides insurance in such a case.
- Mr.moneylover - Feb 11, 2016 at 8:57 AM
The last part makes a lot of sense…if kirk cousins don't play well next year and the whole team take a hit I wanna see the same ppl Faces who tryna run rg3 out of town…having a rookie QB as the backup won't help this team next year…
- kenlinkins - Feb 11, 2016 at 8:56 AM
Rich, Like most things RG3, him still being on the roster at this point makes no sense. There is no solid reason not to go ahead and cut him that I can see. And there is the concern, what is it that I do not know? Has McCoy said no the Redskins already and is looking for a new team (leaving the door open for RG3 as back up QB to Cousins)? Has the Cousins deal hit a area / cost that has the Redskins concerned? (I did just read that Andrew Luck will get a contract with over $125 million guaranteed, maybe keeping RG3 as cheap insurance is not a bad idea). I am not buying the whole "Redskins are just being a Dick to RG3 again" as the reason. After the Presidents remarks last week about RG3 does this delay make any sense to you? If the Redskins have a timetable for his release, I have to wonder what reasons when into the making of it. Nothing has leaked from the RG3 camp so I have to assume that RG3 knows / understands what is going on with the delay. Could it be as simple as the Redskins and RG3 already agreed to a time and date for his release and are just waiting for that day? IMO that is the only thing that makes sense to me.
- Mr.moneylover - Feb 11, 2016 at 9:05 AM
I think the redskins know that they not gonna get nothing for rg3 when other teams know they can get rg3 for free…I agree with you on the hold up they might want find a way to keep him because I don't see why wait unless they want to keep him around
- Thetruthis - Feb 11, 2016 at 11:35 AM
The "president" is the reason the skins are in this mess in the first place. For him to pick Jay Gruden to develop a QB like RG3 was just ridiculous. What made Bruce even think that Jay had it in him given the fact he could not even win a playoff game with his style QB in Cinnci. Jay came in here and tried to jam RG3 a square into a round hole and just would not back off and rethink his approach. Jay just went head strong towards one of the most severe WC offensive style play with no read option mixed in until he saw Kirk becoming a sitting duck in it. then they had to mix it up a bit. But Jay was still in love with the "quick release" short yardage that Kirk is so good at. An RG3 offense would look more like a Cam Newton style offense or Russell Wilson style. But, Jay NEVER TRIED TO modify his offense to fit the star player.
- Mr.moneylover - Feb 11, 2016 at 1:13 PM
That's true
- kenlinkins - Feb 11, 2016 at 11:00 PM
Your statement assumes that the only reason Jay Gruden was hired as head coach was to train / coach RG3 and I do not believe that. While the RG3 project was high on the new head coach's to do list, he could have done that as the Redskins OC (a job that was open at the time). I didn't see anything in Jay Gruden's past that showed he could take a moble QB and make him a pocket passer. Gruden was hired due to A. the job he did as Cincinnati's O.C. or B. him having worked with Allen before in Tampa Bay or C. Both of the above. IMO Gruden was hired to be the Head Coach with Job One being winning games, not being RG3's personal QB coach. He is 13-20 right now. If he is as bad as you think he will not be here too much longer, but if he continues to improve at this year rate, he will be here for some time.
- Mr.moneylover - Feb 11, 2016 at 9:19 AM
Scot m. Said if they gonna release a player they wanna make sure they have a great backup plan…if they don't cut rg3 in the next two weeks I think the plan is to try keep rg3 around
- Thetruthis - Feb 11, 2016 at 11:43 AM
That will not happen! RG3 does not trust Washington (Jay Gruden). So, as long as Jay Gruden is there, RG3 will never agree to anything they have to offer unless there were no other offers. I mean none. Either Jay Gruden has to go or RG3 has to go and the skins have chosen JAY GRUDEN.
- berniebernard666 - Feb 11, 2016 at 9:22 AM
Hello Rich, I don't know if you read all of the responses but I have a question that maybe you can answer. The Redskins can release Griffin and his 16 million dollars and if they let Hatchers Knees go as well, the Skins will have about 35 million dollars in cap space for free agency. In fact they could redo Goldsons contract and release Andre Roberts and get somewhere over 40 millions bucks in Cap Space….but….
What good does it do to finally be the league leader in Cap Space if Scott M has decided that free agency is not his cup of tea? Is this really just a way of making the owner happy and saving him some money?
- Rich Tandler - Feb 11, 2016 at 9:53 AM
Regardless of how much money you have, you don't want to pay more for something than you have to. Whether you have a dollar of cap space or $50 million, it's not worth $8 million to pay Dashon Goldson at his level of play.
And the other, more important point is that cap space rolls over. So that $4 million saved with Goldson can be used in 2017, when they might need it to re-sign Jordan Reed or extend Breeland or Morgan Moses. So even if they go into the season and still have, say, $20 million in cap space it's not wasted, it's rolled over.
- Jeffrey - Feb 11, 2016 at 9:32 AM
I think there also afraid if Alfred goes, that he may go with RG3, them two were really good together.
- Mr.moneylover - Feb 11, 2016 at 9:57 AM
They not afraid of letting Alfred morris walk…they gonna let Alfred morris test free agency
- shawnbridy31 - Feb 11, 2016 at 12:17 PM
Yes they was very good together.
- celeoinc - Feb 11, 2016 at 10:03 AM
I'm happy with Kirk Cousins, but RG3 will star in this league. I have no doubt about it. Too much talent and this year off was the best thing that could have happened to him.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 11, 2016 at 10:17 AM
I tend to agree if he was able to work as a QB in practice with other players.
- skinsgame - Feb 11, 2016 at 10:56 PM
There is no evidence Griffin can successfully run a pro-style offense. Zero.
- GEORGE CLIFTON PARKER - Feb 11, 2016 at 10:55 AM
Well, should it matter or not the NFL is about business and that is final no matter how you look at it. RG III should correct himself as a person if he wants to survive in the league of men . No place for young children in a child's game that pays large sums of money to individuals that are able and should be thankful.
- astroalice - Feb 11, 2016 at 11:11 AM
RG is irreparably damaged, both physically and in the head (probably fear of injury) – which probably explains the weak market –
not many in the sports world understand the physiology of fear – it significantly degrades the quality of decision making –
bottom line – no free lunch
by the way, did you notice the impact an aggressive defense had on Cam's execution
that's the impact of fear
- Thetruthis - Feb 11, 2016 at 11:39 AM
You seem to be surviving with your irreparable head damage. What elementary school does these type comments come from? You have nothing to support your arguments in a grown mans world.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 11, 2016 at 11:50 AM
It's not only fear; and fear can be a very small part of it. it's the impact of not getting the time needed to set and allow the WRs to finish their routes. Also few QBs can play well when playing behind. There was also some bad calls like that completion down the middle ruled incomplete. Instead of it being first down near mid-field, it was 3rd down back near his own goal line. This led to a sack and touchdown. There were also numerous late hits that would have been called on many other QBs not named Cam. Lastly, how many fumbles were there that killed drives and momentum for the offense? Fear? I don't buy it. There were many elements of the game that gave Denver and advantage where the game was closer than many realize.
- Jeff - Feb 11, 2016 at 11:13 AM
RGIII is way better on his worse day than Cousins is on his best..If the idiots at the top would surround this man with a O line and a few weapons he would be a top 5 QB, but since the Redskins office don't know their butts from a hole in the ground he was pushed to hard and made to play hurt.
- fwhalstead1 - Feb 11, 2016 at 12:07 PM
Well I would agree that he is more athletic but I think you may be stretching things a bit to suggest that Robert has shown any ability to run Gruden's offense and there is absolutely NO DOUBT that he could or should go back to running Kyle Shannahan's old style either…so no Robert is NOT BETTER at running THIS offense and he showed that in all of the training camp that I was at last year when he was under pressure and especially when Houston scrimmaged them…his 1st instinct was to pull the ball down and take off running never ONCE looking up field…
- james - Feb 11, 2016 at 6:38 PM
RGlll had the same weapons as Kirk. (Morris, Reed, Djax, Roberts, and Garcon) Kirk is far better in the pocket. Nothing against RGlll but Kirk is a better fit period!!! Time to move on my fellow skin fans. #HTTR
- Bahaa - Feb 11, 2016 at 7:01 PM
Cousins is a mediocre game manager perfect fit for grudens dink and dunk system that doesn't require a talented QB…. It actually neutralizes a talented QB ….. Rg3 is an extremely talented playmaker not at all a fit for grudens game manager system..,, you cannot compare the two one is a potential superstar with the right coach and the right system the other is Matt Cassel nothing special ….. For gruden it was more important to have a QB that fits his dink and dunk system than developing a system to the strengths of your most talented by far QB …..,
- skinsgame - Feb 11, 2016 at 10:58 PM
HA! RGME is done. His last hurrah in Washington was a preseason game where he faked a concussion because he was getting embarrassed again.
- John - Feb 12, 2016 at 1:05 AM
Top 5,. Shuh, and monkeys could fly out of my butt.
RG3 had the benefit if a running game in 2012. Kirk had nothing resembling a running game this year.
Robert looked completely lost out there the last 2 years. Enough blaming the line. They both played behind the same line last year and in 2013 and Kirk was sacked fewer times per attempt. Why? Kirk gets the ball out quicker, slides to help his blockers, etc. Robert makes one read, then bolts, often running into linemen. Kirk is also reading through progressions and throwing to spots. The same cannot be said about Robert.
Oh but Robert is somehow going to go to another team and be up among the likes of Brady, Rodgers, Palmer, Can. Not likely…
- Bahaa - Feb 12, 2016 at 3:49 PM
Kirk dumped ball quick last year that's why he was sacked less he also went 0-5 I can't believe you bring up last year to make a point…. Thus year the line is vastly improved don't think we'll be cutting our RT and RG like last year …in longer developing plays he gets sacked just as much…. Not on dump offs…. Pretty simple no?
- Thetruthis - Feb 11, 2016 at 11:49 AM
I think RG3 would be best served by going to work under Bruce Arians of the Arizona Cardinals as a first choice. Bruce is the ultimate QB whisperer and he has integrity. He is going to be honest with you and not pull some mess like Jay Gruden pulled this season by naming RG3 as the starter and then pulling the rug out from under him and then going on to not just start Cousins, but naming him the starter for the rest of the year. And not even letting at least Colt or Robert know that they were competing for the starting job. Once something like that happens to you, you cannot go to a second coach that lacks integrity like Jay Gruden does. Plus, the Cardinals are Super Bowl contenders already. It is always better to win, its funner to win, even if you have to play back up for a year or two while you aggressively learn a new system and develop to thrive in that system. Dallas may work out well for RG3, but Jason Garrett has not shown me he is a real winner of a coach and for that reason, Dallas- as much as I would like to see RG3 in a Dallas uniform, Arizona may be better for his career.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 11, 2016 at 12:00 PM
Those are some very good points, I like your suggestion of playing at Arizona. Me, I prefer KC just a tad more developing under Andy Reid; Both are a better option than signing here or onto the Cowboys.,
- John - Feb 11, 2016 at 6:50 PM
KC. Nope! Not going to replace Alex Smith. Besides Reed runs a west coast system as well. Another acorn off the Walsh, Holmgren tree.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 11, 2016 at 7:08 PM
You're right about the west coast offense not being an ideal fit for RG3 but Andy Reid runs this offense with a lot of misdirection that RG3 has thrived in. It's actually a college variation of the west coast. Also I believe Reid is one of the best developers of quarterbacks in the league. Alex Smith will be 32 when the season starts so he's no spring chicken and certainly is not elite. Giving RG3 a season under Reid as a backup could do him wonders.
Below is an excerpt of what I'm talking about…
"With the increased popularity of the zone-read, more NFL teams are using the threat of quarterback runs and bubble screens to open up lanes between the tackles. The Chiefs frequently employ backfield deception to create holes for Charles at the point of attack. One of their favorite plays is a traditional power, with the backside guard pulling through the B-gap. Reid instructs the quarterback and slot receiver to carry out the zone-read fake, but the play is designed to give the ball to the running back, regardless of the defense's reaction. "
- Mr.moneylover - Feb 11, 2016 at 1:17 PM
Carson Palmer is the starter…rg3 gonna want to go somewhere were the best chance he can start again
- Thetruthis - Feb 11, 2016 at 11:55 AM
I'm going to pray for RG3 to land in Arizona with the great mind and character of Bruce Arians. How about some of you RG3 supports join me in this endeavor. RG3 has been subjected to enough of this nonsense and we all have seen it and some of us have abhorred it. It wasn't the fact that RG3 was benched it was HOW it was done. smh. When you cannot trust your head coach it is time to go.
- howie70 - Feb 11, 2016 at 3:12 PM
Players get benched all the time for not performing. Why is so bad that it happened to Robert? I'm hoping he goes somewhere else where he can start right away. I think that is the only way his giant ego will be happy. Then I will sit and wait to hear the excuses that his cult following comes up with for his lack of success again.
- fwhalstead1 - Feb 11, 2016 at 12:02 PM
Here's a thought. If a now HEALTHY Robert is perceived to have more athletic ability and upside than Kirk and your building a team that needs MAJOR work anyway (seriously this years playoff run was nice but it was more a product of a weak division than any dominance the Skins had) what would prevent the Skins from saying goodbye to Kirk if his demands are too high and playing Robert on a 1 year 16.2 million dollar prove it contract? It would be cheaper than the franchise tag you'd have to place on Kirk and it does not tie the team to a long term deal. It's just a thought folks and I happen to believe that Kirk is a serviceable QB who has proven that he can run Gruden's offense but at this point I would not rule out anything with this organization and I'm not so sure anyone else can either…and I would also not rule out that this could work….
- bangkokben - Feb 11, 2016 at 12:21 PM
Ignoring the likelihood of such a situation (Chris Cristie re-entering the election and winning it), Cousins' cap hit could very well be less than the $16.2 million this year.
- fwhalstead1 - Feb 11, 2016 at 12:39 PM
That may very well be true but there is a reason he's still on the roster…there are some who believe his upside is bigger than Kirk's and if Kirk gets too crazy with his demands there's nothing stopping the Skins from renegotiating a deal with Robert that guarantees him money and longevity and at this point who would be cheaper – Robert or Kirk ? I'm just laying it out there and playing devil's advocate….Lord knows as a 48 year Redskins fan I've seen dumber stuff than what I've laid out here :)
- bangkokben - Feb 11, 2016 at 12:56 PM
Sure, we've seen plenty of crazy stuff. The reason he is still on the roster is because he can be without costing the team. As soon as the team needs that money cleared, they'll clear it. I think a more likely justification for him being on the roster – although only slightly more likely – is that they are trying to work out a "save face" for both Griffin and the team. I think Robert's ego would rather be traded than cut but working out a deal would require the team to find a place he approves and negotiating a contract.
- shawnbridy31 - Feb 11, 2016 at 12:38 PM
I'm so tired of hearing about this crap with my QB RG3, point blank if yall don't want him release him if yall want him keep him it's that simple, all this cat an mouse crap if this if that. They already screwed with his head already what more do they need to do. All I'm saying he is 100% healthy now, if they let him go they will regret this for rest of their lives. Mccoy don't wanna stay so they have to get 2 qb. Cousins is definitely not the answer but he did ok in Gruden slimy offense. No run game at all an everyone is happy about that IDIOT FANS. I wasn't even happy that we made it to the playoffs caus our division was so crappy an all the bad teams we played. The real test starts in September wen the real teams come an play us since we won the division an yall gonna be asking for Cousins an Gruden head. MARK MY WORDS…..REMEMBER ME
- howie70 - Feb 11, 2016 at 3:16 PM
Exactly how did anyone mess your boy's Roberts head?
The one thing you are correct about is that if Cousins stinks next year most will want him gone. Its the nature of the beast. Win and you're in. Lose and you're gone. Hence the reason Robert is on the way out.
- hail74 - Feb 11, 2016 at 4:18 PM
I must think more highly of RG3 than you do because I think he views this as an attempt to play mind games or anything nefarious at all, rather just nfl business as usual. He knows he's gone and I'll bet he's already prepared for the next stage in his career. He seems like the level headed type so I'm not worried about him. It's his backers who see evil in everything they don't agree with that's confusing to me. The team and Scot in particular know far more about everyone on the roster this year than any of us, yet people come on here as if they know what's best.
- bangkokben - Feb 11, 2016 at 7:08 PM
Spot on here. "It's his backers who see evil in everything they don't agree with that's confusing to me."
Because of this irrationality there is some push back from fans who genuinely want success for Griffin toward Griff. I still want Robert to succeed elsewhere but part of me wishes that those that have deified the young man never get a taste of retribution. I want Robert to be great but WITHOUT the byproduct of his cult bemoaning his release from it's inevitability until kingdom come. At the same time, if Robert doesn't succeed – because of the NOISE from his disciples – there will be the occasional yahoo poking the bear and needling the faithful because greatness hasn't happened.
- hail74 - Feb 11, 2016 at 7:16 PM
I hear what your saying. Robert could put up 3/4ths of cousins stats and wins next year and some will come on here claiming the skins made a mistake in letting him go. They will reason that the Redskins are better than whatever team he went to and therefore would've done more here. These same people think that Rob elevated garçon,Djax, and Reed and then call them playmakers that cousins needed. Or they make claims like Tim did earlier in this season when he said our defensive personnel was every bit as good as the Patriots and panthers. All of that does make you, in the back of your mind, kinda just want rob to fall flat on his face so they just quietly move on to whatever the next egregious act they will claim Gruden made.
- hail74 - Feb 11, 2016 at 4:24 PM
Also our winning the division only means we play two different games than the rest of our division. Your right tho about the run game, it's the reason we couldn't beat tougher teams.
- sidepull - Feb 11, 2016 at 1:07 PM
Its just crazy all the speculation and what if's. Rg3 is done in D.C. Good, bad, or indifferent, no matter your opinion of his QB abilities, hes moving on. Its going to happen all in good time. Redskins fans are going to have a choice, root for Cousins and the Redskins to succeed while wishing RG3 the best or become a fan of the team Rg3 winds up playing for. There is no turning back. If you are a Redskins fan, and Scot has decided they can win with Kirk at the helm then that's it. Root for the Redskins or don't. Nobody will miss you in the fan base for long before your opinion, mine or whoever is long forgotten. If your holding out to say I told you so thats weak. The "Gruden system" is what it is. He doesn't appear to adapt to a players strengths but rather wants them to conform to his system. We will see how it goes. Alf will rock elsewhere, DY has been missing forever and is on a milk carton somewhere and we have seen the book on RG3 closed here in D.C.
- colmac69 - Feb 11, 2016 at 4:33 PM
Finally someone with a dose of reality….
Been said many times cousins is the man the skins are going with…..as sidepull has put in his post what we think as fans regarding cousins…rgiii whoever doesn't MATTER…our points of view are irrelevant….only gd for a discussion on forums like this one
U either get behind decision to go with cousins and the team or go support someone else…
That's the reality of the situation
- bahaa - Feb 11, 2016 at 7:15 PM
There is one more option …. Yes rg3 is gone that's over we rush him well as long as he doesn't stay in the division then we hope he loses every game he plays….. If you believe like I believe that with grudens system and his mediocre QB our ceiling is mediocracy then you can hope he's fired next year…. And Scott hires a new coach someone like the coaches he had at his previous two stops….. This system and thus QB fails against decent teams particularly good tackling teams. This system is too dependent on YAK
- smotion55 - Feb 11, 2016 at 4:28 PM
This B-LL SH-t is just that. Rich you can't find anything better to brIng up to talk about then this. You always stur up the BUCKET of POOP with this . LEAVE IT ALONE DAMN THIS . PUT THE STICK BACK IN THE BUCKET AND LEAVE IT ALONE. WHEN HE GETS CUT IT ALL STARTS AGAIN…….. YOU SHOULD HAVE LEFT IT ALONE UNTIL THEN . GO TAKE A VACATION OR SOMETHING
- Rich Tandler - Feb 11, 2016 at 4:49 PM
Nope, no vacation until May. When I'm getting asked a particular question in the comments here and on Twitter and Facebook I figure that's something that needs to be fleshed out so I write a post about it.
So if you want to stand in the corner with your fingers in your ears and yell that you don't want to hear it, fine. But I'll still write it. And you're welcome to not click on it.
Oh, and cut with the ALL CAPS. It will get you banned.
- John - Feb 11, 2016 at 5:06 PM
Well said Rich. Write whatever you want regarding the Skins. Its up to the reader to decide if he wants to read which article. Its called freedom of speech.
Now somebody get Smotion55 a box of tissues.
- hail74 - Feb 11, 2016 at 7:21 PM
Do you not find it rather amusing that you posted this rant four hours after rich had already posted the next topic of discussion?
- John - Feb 11, 2016 at 4:35 PM
Why would anyone trade for RG3 when:
1. He's got big contract for a guy who will more than likely be a backup.
2. Has shown a propensity for injury (knees, concussions – college & pros).
3. He's going to be released.
For him to be successful from day one he'll need to be in a watered down college style offense with minimal reads (Ala 2012). He won't play the athlete part in that offense. If he does, he'll get clobbered again.
Ask yourself this. Which is better a guy you draft (out of a pro style system) and develop starting on day one or get a guy who has been injured a couple times all ready and is not a great fit in a pro style system. Are you willing to change everything for one guy? Will the team around him bs willing to regress?
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 11, 2016 at 6:16 PM
"Ask yourself this. Which is better a guy you draft (out of a pro style system) and develop starting on day one or get a guy who has been injured a couple times all ready and is not a great fit in a pro style system. Are you willing to change everything for one guy? Will the team around him bs willing to regress?"
You always seem to over simplify your comments with poor assumptions. If a team follows your approach on drafting QBs then teams would have selected Christian Ponder over Cam Newton in 2011, Garrett Grayson over Marcus Marriota in 2014. Both Cam and Marriota, started year one just like RG3 without the assumption of having to change "everything" for one guy or regressing. Your approach is no recipe for success.
Pro set NFL QBs have a failure rate of over 50% and yes spread QBs are higher right now with a rate between 60% and 70%. So yeah the rate of failure is higher but most of the best QBs coming out lately are spread QBs. Another issue with your approach is that in college, spread offense is growing so the tend indicates the pool of QBs to draft will continue to grow higher. if team goes by your method then the nest of QBs to draft will continue to shrink with inferior talent to choose from.
NFL teams will need to learn how to better develop spread QBs in order to get them on the field faster. However, there is nothing wrong with waiting a few seasons. It worked out pretty well for Aaron Rogers. Your idea that RG3 will just get hurt or cannot be a starter elsewhere is foolish, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning moved on to continue great careers after severe injuries.
- John - Feb 11, 2016 at 7:08 PM
1. Brady and Manning came out of pro style systems in college and have been in the same systems for most of their careers.
2. A rookie starts from scratch as opposed to Robert who comes in partially developed with a significant injury history starting his 5th season and having to learn a new offense, terminology, etc.
3. We're talking in the here and now, not 10 – 20 years from now. Despite the proliferation of spread offenses in college. The pro game picks college talent and adapts the player to the pro game.
4. Ponder and Grayson vs. Cam and Marcus. Talk about Apples and Oranges. The first 2 are where? Ponder was drafted in the first round and like many first round qbs is a bust. Having a physique and coming out of a big time program is no assurance of NFL success. They still need drive, intellect, humility, self awareness, a desire to learn and learn from mistakes and grow.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 11, 2016 at 7:53 PM
What is true about the NOW is that spread formations and read options have slowly been implemented in the pros. So while players drafted have to adapt to the pro style, there are many schemes under the pro style that have strategic elements that come from college. There is a reason why most defenses run last season were nickel formations. So stop with broad brushing comments that assume RG3 can't run a pro style offense. There are many pro style schemes out there that he could be very capable of running. The key is proper development which he has not received here. RG3 has been healthy for a long time now. There is not a QB in the draft coming that posses the talent and potential RG3 has. Also, RG3 will not be a big contract signing where ever he goes. I expect the team that signs him will get him on a cheap contract since he hasn't played in over a year.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 11, 2016 at 8:05 PM
"Ask yourself this. Which is better a guy you draft (out of a pro style system) and develop starting on day one"
"Ponder and Grayson vs. Cam and Marcus. Talk about Apples and Oranges. The first 2 are where? Ponder was drafted in the first round and like many first round qbs is a bust. Having a physique and coming out of a big time program is no assurance of NFL success. They still need drive, intellect, humility, self awareness, a desire to learn and learn from mistakes and grow."
I was commenting about your assumption it's a best to draft a guy out of a pro style system. Cam played a spread offense while Ponder drafted the same year played a pro-style offense. Marcus played a spread while Grayson drafted the same year played in a pro-style offense.
- John - Feb 12, 2016 at 12:03 AM
You yourself rattled off some stats regarding failure rates between Pro Style vs. Spread qbs coming out of college with the spread guys having a taller hill to climb.
My point is regardless, coming out of style system does provide an edge, however the guy still has to have a good head on his shoulders in addition to having talent.
Just because a guy is drafted high, does not mean he will end up as all that and a bag of chips. For every Manning, there's a Tim Couch, a Akili Smith, a Ryan Leaf, a Heath Shuler and so on.
A better comparison would be Jamison Winston vs. Marcus Mariotta. The book is still out on Mariota as its hard to say which way things will go with coaching changes etc. I doubt things will change greatly for Jamison despite coaching changes.
- John - Feb 11, 2016 at 4:40 PM
There are QBs at Stanford and USC that would be good mid to late round picks for developmental QBs for the Skins in the draft
- Bahaa - Feb 11, 2016 at 5:37 PM
Unfortunately we are letting a potential superstar go for the next coming of foles or Cassell or kolb…. We've seen the before…. At the end of the day it's about talent not a game manager unless you have a championship defense ….. The only difference between cousins and Cassel and kolb is that cousins played a softer schedule only 3 winning teams and lost by double digits to all…. Than any if those qbs ….. But time will tell…..
- John - Feb 12, 2016 at 12:17 AM
Funny, Kolb and Cassel never have performed up to the level that Kirk did this year. Cassel benefitted from having superior coaching in New England and a better team in KC. Other than that he is not looked upon as a starter in this league. Kolb was captain check down in Philadelphia and never accomplished anything in Phoenix and Buffalo except get knocked around and retire from cincussions.
Cousins prior to this season was up and down like a yo yo but showed flashes of his potential. This year, he started slow but made strides (game winning, multi play drives and comeback wins ex: Philly and Tampa) and later in the season started hitting big plays (once Jackson returned) and cut back on the picks and threw multiple touchdowns while breaking several team records without a running game and for much of the season a porous defense, but I digress.
- Bahaa - Feb 12, 2016 at 12:30 AM
Cassell and kolb and Flynn and foles ect the list goes on ….. Didn't okay against a historacally soft schedule 13 games against non winning teams only 3 games against winning teams….. Cassell kolb foles Flynn all beat winning teams ….. Cousins folded against every decent defensive team he played got blown out by the few winning teams he played this year and has never beaten a team that's above 500….. Cousins has slightly better stats against a much easier schedule than any of those other flash in the Ian mediocre qbs had
- D Listener - Feb 11, 2016 at 5:47 PM
Man got a life. They kept Morris because of the zone read? Then why not RGIII ? Now they looking for a young talented back? The best back from 3 years ago preseason was Lache Seastrunk and they released him to make room for S. Redd. Hmm sound like coaching problems to me. We all know the skins won the division because someone had too.
- Rich Tandler - Feb 11, 2016 at 6:40 PM
No, not the zone read. Zone blocking rushing game. There is a difference.
- bangkokben - Feb 11, 2016 at 7:13 PM
Yep. Lache Seastrunk is tearing up the league. Such a shame we let him go.
- wncskinsfan - Feb 11, 2016 at 6:03 PM
The more I think about it, the more I would love to see Dallas grab RGIII. I don't see much to fear with that, and it would be great to see the Boys implode in that manner. I think I might thoroughly enjoy that. He could start a new social media campaign– "all in for Romos backup!" Hail!
- skinsgame - Feb 11, 2016 at 11:01 PM
I'm praying that one of our divisional rivals snatches him up and signs him to a huge deal so they eat up their own cap space on a player that will struggle to crack the 53.
- Bahaa - Feb 12, 2016 at 12:22 AM
You guys don't get it….. You don't pick up a talent like rg3 unless you are planning on putting a system in place that plays to his strength you don't put him in a Gruden style dink and dunk system ….. You put him in a spread shotgun system heavy play action yes a little zone read ….. If a team in our division picks him up it will be a disaster …… We won't be seeing division titles for a while ….. Rg3 failure in DC is the organizations failure…..not the 23 year old a failure ….. He will thrive with a team that develops him and develops a game plan for him….. I just hope it's outside our division …… You haters are delusional
- bangkokben - Feb 12, 2016 at 7:40 AM
26-years old today
- howie70 - Feb 12, 2016 at 9:06 AM
talent talent talent….All the Robert cult followers keep talking about all his talent. I can't figure out what y'all are seeing that coaches & a GM are not seeing.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 12, 2016 at 11:08 AM
"I can't figure out what y'all are seeing that coaches & a GM are not seeing."
He was the second pick in the draft and highly sought after by many GMs. They see it you just don't.
- howie70 - Feb 12, 2016 at 11:26 AM
"He was the second pick in the draft and highly sought after by many GMs. They see it you just don't."
That was 4 years, another mcl tear, and dislocated ankle ago.
- Bahaa - Feb 11, 2016 at 6:31 PM
Injury prone that all I hear…. Rg3 has missed less games due to injury than Luck less games than romo less games than desean less games than Reed less games less games than garçon less games Payton manning …. Rg3 missed a grand total of 7 games due to injury
- bangkokben - Feb 11, 2016 at 7:22 PM
Sure if you're not counting the 16 he lost due to getting a concussion. Suppose Cousins goes into to Baltimore and stinks up the joint. Do you think Griffin still loses his job?
- Bahaa - Feb 11, 2016 at 7:30 PM
Gruden wanted cousins…. Cousins was not going to stink it up he was going to put in a cousins friendly game plan and protect him…. Quick read quick dump off…..If he wanted to put in a game plan to protect rg3 and play to his strengths he would have him in shotgun roll him our play action all things that rg3 excels in…. He doesn't excell in quick read quick dump off game plans…. Nor do most play makers.
- John - Feb 14, 2016 at 9:36 AM
Gruden went with the guy who felt gave the team the best chance to win. When George Allen was the head coach, he had Sonny, one of the best pure passers the game had seen however Sonny would take unnecessary risks. He also had Billy Kilmer who did not have Sonny's talent but while not flashy did not turn the balk over and give up field position. More often than not, he went with Billy and his wobbly passes because he would not lose games.
- hail74 - Feb 11, 2016 at 7:28 PM
Yet all his backers claim the last two years of terrible play are because of recovering from injury, wearing a brace because of his injury, no OTAs because of injury and so on. Can't have it both ways. Manning had his neck fused. Brady had his knee torn to bits as well. How'd the injury effect them for the next two years?
- Bahaa - Feb 11, 2016 at 7:33 PM
Rg3 ran the 9thranked offense in the NFL coming off of ACL surgery despite not being surrounded by talent…. We lost in 2013 due to the 31st ranked defense in points allowed and a historacally bad special teams….. Not because of the offense…..
- hail74 - Feb 11, 2016 at 7:44 PM
9th in yards but 23rd in points and 16th in passing. Compared to being 17th in yds but 10th in scoring and 11th in passing. The difference between the two as far as talented players is that in 13′ we had a run game and in 15′ we had Djax for 9 games. But your right, other factors DO attribute to wins and loses, however they do that for every QB in the league, not just rob. Yet another argument of hypocrisy to favor rob.
- Bahaa - Feb 11, 2016 at 8:25 PM
Hail this year we had a much improved defense and special teams much better line much better play makers…. Have the highest fumble recovery rate in the NFL with the worst points off of turnover rate in the NFL by a mile…. I don't blame you. Your an average fan and you're in the tank for cousins …. If your not just a sheep and look into the stats you see the difference ….. Total team difference…..
- Bahaa - Feb 11, 2016 at 8:29 PM
Hail let's also not forget the historacally soft scheduled we played this year…. Only 3 winning teams and they all blew us out….. Look inside the stats my friend don't be a fantasy football stat geek….. Ask Vegas about our chances next year ….. Lol
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 11, 2016 at 11:49 PM
Simple question – What would Cousins had done without Reed?
- hail74 - Feb 12, 2016 at 7:23 AM
Haha I understand plenty about football. I also understand plenty about fan mentality. You try to make stat arguments for rob and then say it's not just about him and these things effect his stats. How can one possibly have a coherent conversation with a hypocrit? If you couldn't see that cousins carried this team, you simply weren't watching. No run game what so ever and a porous defense at best. In three years rob beat 4 of your vaunted winning teams. All of them at home. In every game we ran the ball successfully and scored all but one TD by the RB. None of those teams were of the caliber of NE or Carolina. Perhaps we beat the jets if the D didn't let Fitzpatrick have his way all day. Perhaps we beat NE if not for all the drops. Maybe the Carolina game is different if the ref makes a call a different way. To many variables but the one constant was no run game. At all. Look deeper into stats and honestly compare the two, don't just pick things a la cart to prop up a weak argument with revised history. And Name, you can ask smarter questions than what would Kirk do without his best player. What would rob do with no run game because we had a third string guard playing center? Ridiculous.
- Bahaa - Feb 12, 2016 at 8:04 AM
Again you don't understand football no run game because of the dink and dunk system the system is designed to replace runs with little dinks and dunks…. Teams crowd the line there is no respect for passes down the field …. Cousins carried the team lol ….. The 9 wins are the result of the historacally soft schedule every decent team they played beat them by double digits…. I know your a fan and to you cousins is a franchise QB fans are irrational reality will set in next year and we will be 5-11 and Gruden will be fired…. Don't listen to local media they are in the bag fir Gruden cousins thier lively hood depends on inside information from the coaches and staff they regurgitate what the staff thinks…. Listen to national media and national analysts…… Listen to rational voices without anything to gain
- Rich Tandler - Feb 12, 2016 at 8:12 AM
Can we stop with the "you don't understand football" and "you don't get it" stuff? Just make your point. If it's that smart and clever, your football brilliance and the cluelessness of the other poster will be obvious to all.
And, no, my livelihood does not depend on inside information from the coaches. I am free to write what I want.
No need to come in here and be combative right off the bat. That can come later. :)
Thanks in advance.
- Bahaa - Feb 12, 2016 at 8:19 AM
Again a hypocrite that's trying to manipulate stats to make cousins season against a historacally soft schedule look better….. How about the playoff at home on a 4 game win streak confidence high playing against a team limping into the playoffs and the result is the same as every other game against a decent defense …….in 2012 you were a Redskins fan weren't you? In 2012 the redskins played against 9 teams 500 or above….Rg3 had arguably the best rookie QB season in NFL history …. You talk about the running game ….. Do you think maybe there is a correlation between how good the running game is when RG 3 is in there despite being behind a worse o line ? Fans what can you say can't really argue will irrational fans…… To irrational fans cousins a mediocre game manager is now a franchise QB of the future….. Cinderella ???? Hahaha
- Bahaa - Feb 12, 2016 at 8:23 AM
You just don't know football ….. I guess fans just have to be snaked in the face with reality …. It's coming just ask foles Cassell kolb Flynn
Ect ect
- Rich Tandler - Feb 12, 2016 at 9:26 AM
Here's another warning on the "don't know football" stuff. And it's your last one.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 12, 2016 at 11:17 AM
The system is a direct result of a poor running game. When you have a short passing game with a QB in a system that rarely throws downfield this allows defense to play up tight and better enables stopping the run. What makes it worst is that the staff tried to replace some the rushing game with more bubble screens and quick outs. Cousins carrier the offense only as far as Reed could help him. The point is if you took out Reed then Cousins may not be able to handle the load. It's not Cousins faught since I think he is working with what he is given by the coaches. However, this offense won't have much success next year if it doesn't revamp the scheme. Better defenses will continue to dominate them if the don't stretch the field more.
- kenlinkins - Feb 11, 2016 at 7:32 PM
Throwing out the Trash? IMO The Redskins will cut RG3 this Friday afternoon. In the PR world, this is known as "throwing out the trash". Doing this on Friday afternoons allows the fans the whole weekend to "burn out" on talk shows and blogging while the Redskins business office is closed for the week end. This makes more sense to me then anything else I have read. My guess is that the Redskins and RG3 have already set this date back at the exit interview. Anyone else want to go out on a limb trying to guess the RG3 cut date?
- Bahaa - Feb 11, 2016 at 8:14 PM
Hail you don't understand football if you have a historacally bad special teams and next to last defense in football guess what you have terrible field pisition hence the 9th most yards in the NFL and only the 23td most post…. You have a lot more field …..
- hail74 - Feb 12, 2016 at 7:25 AM
Thats my point exactly, you don't understand your own argument. He can get yards because of opportunity but can't get points.
- Bahaa - Feb 12, 2016 at 7:55 AM
You don't get it at all …. He had the worst field position in the NFL in 2013….. That's why he didn't score as much ….. Produced the 8th most yard in the NFL but not as many point because of field position he had to go further than any other QB in the NFL to score….. I don't know a more simplistic way to explain it to you …… They didn't score because of poor special teams and defense….. In any other team that many yards would have produced much more point get it??????
- Al - Feb 11, 2016 at 8:37 PM
I still believe the Redskins messed up Robert ' s tenure with them. When they brought in Gruden they should have put in a system designed for their quarterback. Now they have a mediocre talent that the NFL will figure out how to defend. He will soon enough revert back to his old just throw up a prayer ball.
- skinsgame - Feb 11, 2016 at 11:12 PM
Griffin sealed his own fate when he faked an injury in the preseason against Detroit. Everyone knew it and he could never recover. He's a head case and won't be a starter in the league unless whoever he's backing up gets hurt. Just doesn't have it.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 11, 2016 at 11:54 PM
My money is on you being the head case. Why even comment if all you going to do is make stuff up as you go.
- John - Feb 12, 2016 at 12:37 AM
You ask what Cousins have done without Reed. Hard to say, when considering Reed was the one guy who was uncoverable. Garcon was invisible in several games. Thompson was in and out of the lineup, Crowder was slowlycoming on and Jackson was out for a bunch of games. I've said all along, while the Skins have a decent group of receivers, they are all interdependent.
Jackson – phenomenal deep threat but would not get singled up if Reed were not the short to midrange threat. Jackson. Jackson can't catch in traffic 8-10 times a game or post up. He'd get killed.
Garcon and Crowder – Posession receivers. Garcon a step slower and overruns routes. Crowder, short to midrange lots of choice routes.
Thompson – nice receiver out of the backfield but no Joe Washington. Always a potential injury risk.
Reed – who can cover the guy? Best route running TE in the league.
They still lack a receiver who demands double teams. Someone who can stand alone and make catches without the others (a Jones, Green, Bryant).
- skinsgame - Feb 12, 2016 at 11:23 PM
Actually, [edited]. And your boy Griffin faked a head injury on his final play for the team. How is that made up? Watch the replay for yourself.
- Rich Tandler - Feb 13, 2016 at 11:38 AM
OK, one and only warning on this. Deleted comment on someone's mother. I'm not sure if you are 12 but if you act like it again, you're gone.
For clarity, directed at skinsgame.
Edit: No, just read further down. Sorry, skinsgame, you're gone for making crude personal insults. bye.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 13, 2016 at 11:33 AM
Mom's really? After making bogus claims about over and over you now want to attack moms. What playground can I find you so that I can bust that head case of yours?
- Jay - Feb 12, 2016 at 12:42 AM
You need to check out what Qb who has have the highest Qb rating and you will see it was the Qb who ran the same style as rg3 and Wilson and cam ran the ball this year more than rg3 in his rookie year but I guess they said the read option doesn't work even with cousin great season his Qb rating isn't higher than Rg rookie season
- howie70 - Feb 12, 2016 at 9:11 AM
That giant run on sentence makes no sense at all. Punctuation is your friend.
- John - Feb 13, 2016 at 11:22 PM
It should be noted that Cam Newton has a body that can withstand the blows. Robert does not. Even so, Cam was wilting under the pressure of the Broncos pass rush. Also Robert does not want to play the athletic role to make that system work. While the Panthers use it a lot, its not a prominent feature for most teams. They use it as a wrinkle but not as their base offense.
- colmac69 - Feb 12, 2016 at 3:50 AM
Does every article about rgiii and his past/present/future have to descend into a completely pointless debate about who is better qb involving him and cousins?..
It's all irrelevant regarding way forward for washington….the hierarchy have made the choice so either live with it our go support another team…..let's talk bout some relevant stuff for a change
- Bahaa - Feb 12, 2016 at 8:37 AM
Colman if the article is about free agents or the draft or the upcoming season the debate would be about that …. The article is about the release of RG3 naturally we would debate the release of a QB we traded 3 first round picks for no????
- omeimontis - Feb 12, 2016 at 9:28 AM
Peyton Manning may return and try for a repeat Super Bowl title .This will be the second time in his career that he can try for a repeat Brock Osweiler is a free agent, and he may not re-sign with the Broncos. You are correct that Osweiler is unproven. Because of that Denver will lose a golden opportunity to repeat as champs if they cut Peyton Manning. They may have to pay $15 million or more per year to re-sign Osweiler, without any assurance that he can even take the Broncos to the playoffs as a starter. If Elway can convince Osweiler that he is not yet ready to be a starter, he may be able to re-sign him for a lot less money as a backup. If they release Elway, they will have no alternative but to match any potentially outlandish offer Osweiler may receive from another team. I defense is really the reason why Denver won the Super Bowl, they can probably sign RGIII, Johnny Manziel (if in fact Cleveland cuts him), Sam Bradford or even Nick Foles and win another one.
- tara m hornsmith - Feb 12, 2016 at 4:53 PM
Dallas Cowboys need a back up quarterback and when Tony does retire sooner than the Dallas Cowboys know he will not be around much longer we need a quarterback that will be able to carry us for a long time and that person is rg3 he will liked and he will be able to carry the cowboys like Romo did we also need back damarco Murray back Des said it Murray did a lot better when he was with Dallas why did we let him go
- skinsgame - Feb 12, 2016 at 11:25 PM
Crossing my fingers the Cowgals saddle themselves with a huge contract for the hype machine.
- wncskinsfan - Feb 13, 2016 at 12:18 AM
me too! Really, I would look forward to those games even more than I have for decades now.
- John - Feb 13, 2016 at 7:09 AM
The west coast is a short passing game which helps offset runs with passes. Bill Walsh put it together to protect Montana and supplement the running game. The 1981 49ers had Larry, Curley and Moe in the backfield and never got much on the ground. The idea is to hit receivers in stride on short passes for yards after the catch. As it stands its used by a lot more teams these days. Very few teams use the Air Coryell approach.
In regards to opening it up and going down field, they did that a lot more once Jackson returned to the lineup. The only other guy on the roster with speed is Ross and he is no Desean.
Most passing plays have short, intermediate and deep routes. It just depends on the coverage and personnel available. You take what the defense gives you. If the deep ball is there you throw it. If they take away the deep stuff, you run and throw underneath.
- redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 13, 2016 at 1:50 PM
John, I'm aware of the history of the West Coast and how it emphasizes more passing than it does a running game. Growing up; I was a devoted Redskins fan but there was no player I enjoyed watching more than Joe Montana executing that very offense. He ran the offense with surgical precision. Also, Roger Craig had great success both running and catching out of the backfield. However, the Bill Walsh version has been revised in many ways and specifically with how Gruden runs it here; I just don't like it.
— It's taking away opportunities from establishing a run game. A running game is not normally something that kicks in high gear off the first snap. You also need to pound the defense with the run to help alleviate the pressure and wear down front line. We don't do that with Gruden's West Coast Offense. There is too much finesse in this scheme. Now many fans here will quickly blame every aspect of a lack of run performance on everything but the scheme. I'm not able to watch practices but I bet that there is much less emphasis refining and practicing running plays since Gruden has arrived. The offense as a whole just looks ill prepared to establish a running game after the Giants game. It's not any one component. D-line run through gaps unabated meeting running backs in the back field, runners miss holes, and the QB doesn't disguise the run like the previous starter used to. You can call out RG3 all you won't but his ability to disguise a run was a significant factor in aiding it's success. It wasn't just in the read option.
— So now the offense scheme has made a shift to replace running the ball with more passes. However, putting the ball in the air too often begs for trouble. It results in many quick outs on offense, less time of possession, or turning the ball over more in the air. Now, IMO the scheme still centered on mitigating putting Cousins at risk with an abnormal amount of short passes. The West Coast doesn't have to be so predictable as I view it was in 2015 and IMO as good defenses demonstrated it's predictability by having little issues in shutting it down. Brett Favre ran a West Coast offense I loved to watch at Green Bay. However, many would never know that's the offense he ran because he stretched the field by exploiting defenses with big pass plays. You don't have to be a victim of the short pass playing the West Coast Offense.
- John - Feb 13, 2016 at 11:13 PM
Regarding the running game, they emphasized more power this year as opposed to zone. While the TEs would blow it at times, Alfred and Matt were just as much to blame.
Not sure if you've followed Cooley's film breakdown but Alf was often times totally lost. The Tampa game had a perfect example, everything blocked with nice doubles and at least 2 good holes to one side. Alf heads to the wrong one, then switches direction, changes his mind, turns back and in the process knocks Leribus off his block and kills the play that would have made 10 or more yards. Totally indecisive. Alf was way off the mark this year. Jones was on and off perhaps from not toting the rock so much in college but also being nicked at times. It remains to be seen how he works out.
At least they showed more willingness to stick with the run but switching up the backs so often probably hurt them some. Some were complaining that they ran to often on 1st down. I could see that as their strength is in the passing game when all the pieces were there. I can also see that they needed to at least run enough so the defense bites on play action and bootlegs.
Regarding throwing deep, if Desean is not around, there is no deep game. Ross just does not scare anyone. Roberts drops to many passes and Garcon and Crowder don't have the speed. This is why I say they need to get a tall, fast stud at receiver by hook or by crook. Perhaps they can develop someone like Ricardo Louis coming out of Auburn. He's got decent size and speed and can return kicks.
Regarding the short passing game and long drives, I think they had that in the cards to eat clock. They seemed to be pretty good at it and it took the will out of a number of their opponents (both Eagles games, Buffalo, Tampa, etc.). Several games where they ran 10-15 plays and ate a bunch of clock. They needed to do that, to keep the MIA defense off the field. As soon as the defense got tired, they were in trouble. The offense is a little rough around the edges but its the defense that has going holes.
Regarding Farve tossing it down field, he had a pretty good group of receivers to work with, much like Rodgers. The group Rodgers had in the Super Bowl a few years back was pretty strong (Nelson, Driver, Jennings, etc.). It should be noted that Favre tossed a bunch of picks at inappropriate times (this when he was at a point when he should have known better).
Regarding Kirk, to many nitpick his game. Hard to throw deep without a real deep threat or if the defense plays to take away the deep threat. He improved greatly as the season progressed. To many remember the NY game from 2014 and overlook the games against Jacksonville, Philly and even Seattle that year or the fact that he was not all that bad at the end of 2013, despite QBing a team that probably had given up. 2014 he probably lost his confidence as he saw his big opportunity slipping away.
Next year hopefully the defense and running game will make a bigger difference…
- Charles - Feb 13, 2016 at 3:47 PM
Difficult to make a decision that has the potential to embarrass our franchise for the next 5 years. Keep him as an over paid back up. He will redeem himself. I know it's a difficult call. These are sections that great leaders make in the face of public opinion.
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