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'The Walking Dead' - 'Vatos': Gone fishin'
A review of tonight's "The Walking Dead" coming up just as soon as I stroll the streets of Atlanta with just my good intentions...
"Guess the world changed." -T-Dog
"No, it's the same as it ever was. The weak get taken." -G
"Vatos" was written by Robert Kirkman, who created this world and most of these characters in "The Walking Dead" comic book, and it wasn't quite what I expected - in a very good way.
I stopped reading the comic sometime around issue 30 for a couple of reasons, one small, one big. The small: Kirkman's dialogue bothered me with its wordiness, as the story was always grinding to a halt so Rick or someone else could give a big speech about who they are, where they came from, what the new world meant, etc. I'm not opposed to character development, big themes and all that; I just found Kirkman's execution of it to be clunky.
But I'd have kept reading if not for the big one: I found the series too monotonously bleak, not just in how frequently zombies would pop up to eat people, but in how so many of the strangers our heroes met turned out to be dangerous, self-interested sociopaths enjoying the new world (dis)order. That seemed both plausible and thematically appropriate for a zombie story - the genre tends to be about the danger we pose to each other, with the zombie apocalypse itself just there to put the survivors on edge and wipe out the social contract - but issue after issue of it began to feel like a wallow to me.
The comic's many fans obviously disagree, and good for them. But when I saw that this was the episode Kirkman had written, I was curious to see whether the things that ultimately drove me from the comic would be more obvious here than in previous episodes.
Instead, Kirkman turned in the strongest episode since the pilot.
I wasn't too worried about the dialogue. You simply can't have flesh-and-blood actors talk as much as his characters did on the page, not unless the entire series would be constructed as a series of post-apocalyptic walk-and-talks like "The West Wing," and even that would need some trims. And, indeed, Kirkman was following the less-is-more aesthetic that Frank Darabont established in the pilot. There's definitely exposition and backstory, but much of it was handled very well; I thought Amy and Andrea reminiscing about fishing trips with their dad, and then trying not to grieve too much for the parents they assume were killed by the walkers, was quite lovely.
And after bracing myself to see G and his vatos (who weren't in the comic, at least not when I was reading it) turn out to be sleazeballs taking advantage of the end of law-and-order, I was pleasantly surprised when it was revealed they were good guys who were just fierce in protecting their own.
Really, this was a whole episode of people being on their best behavior. G and Rick settle their differences peacefully, and looking back on Darryl's confrontation with the kid in the alley, you can see why the vatos might have mistrusted the new group. Darryl is a far more reasonable, even loyal, guy than either he or his brother seemed in the previous two episodes - a backwoods character rather than a backwoods caricature. Back at the camp, the sisters bring in a big haul of fish with Dale's gear, and Shane does an effective job of defusing the Jim situation without hurting anybody.
And that's what makes the episode's climactic zombie attack so effective(*): even when people are sticking together and holding to their better natures rather than their best interests, it doesn't matter, because the walkers are still out there, still coming, and no place is ever truly safe to hide.
(*) That, and the fact that director Johan Renck (another "Breaking Bad" alum) did such a good job of staging the chaos.
So we lose characters we like (Amy), ones we hate (Ed the wife-beater) and some random cannon fodder, and Rick's group comes to the rescue a little too late, and now what the hell happens? Is this beautiful haven by the quarry (which again looked gorgeous, particularly during the fishing trip) no longer safe to occupy? Did Merle, in fact, steal their truck? And assuming Rick seems done leaving his family for a while, how long before the Shane thing blows up on everyone?
I haven't loved every deviation Darabont and company have made from Kirkman's original stories (though, again, Darryl was much better-written this week than previously), but the obvious advantage is that I honestly don't know where things go from here. Some events from this episode track exactly from the comic (as I recall, Amy got attacked at the entrance to Dale's camper), while others are very different. And though I don't know if my stomach for this stuff will last indefinitely, after "Vatos," I find myself a lot more excited to see what's coming next than I was after the last few episodes. Nicely-done, people.
Some other thoughts:
• I like the recurring theme of the apocalypse elevating people far above their station, sometimes for good (Glenn the pizza delivery guy is a clever strategist, G the custodian now runs the nursing home and a large gang), sometimes for bad (Shane as judge and jury, though the sentence was far kinder this week). And then there's Rick, still wearing his uniform - even getting his hat back - and still trying very much to be a cop and nothing more.
• Frank Darabont has used Laurie Holden a number of times over the years - she was the female lead in "The Majestic," had a prominent role in "The Mist" and here plays Andrea - and here watching a horrified Andrea lean over her sister's dying, then dead, body demonstrated exactly why he likes her. She's quite a bit older than I recall Andrea being in the comic (and the opening scene was written to reflect that), but she's really good.
• And Jeffrey DeMunn's worked with Darabont even more often - add in "The Green Mile" and the Darabont-scripted "The Blob" remake to the stuff he did with Holden - and he got a nice little moment with Dale's wristwatch speech, a paraphrasing of a passage from "The Sound and the Fury."
• I have to say that the title sequence is really growing on me, thanks in large part to Bear McCreary's theme, and how the episodes often start playing it even before the opening credits begin.
We now have an explanation for why Merle didn't cut through the handcuffs (saw blade too dull) but not, as many of you noted, why he didn't just cut off his thumb. Still, I enjoyed Darryl and the others vicariously experiencing Merle's high degree of badassery, from the zombies he slew one-handed to evidence of how he cauterized the stump.
Finally, y'all were much better about the No Spoilers rule last week, but given the comic book issue, I'm going to keep closing each review for this series with the following reminders of how it works here on this blog:
1)No Spoilers.
2)This includes any discussion of the previews for the next episode.
3)This includes any discussion of storylines from the comic that haven't happened yet in the timeline of the TV show. (And, yes, the show has and will continue to deviate from the comic in some ways, but for the sake of those instances where they're going to be the same, I don't want people talking about something from issue 50 when we're watching episode 4.)
4)This includes anything you've seen or read elsewhere about anything that has not happened within the context of the episodes that have already aired.
Anything in violation of any of these points gets deleted. Nice and simple. Talk about what has already happened on the show, no more, no less.
What did everybody else think?
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alynchSo I guess "It's my birthday tomorrow" is the zombie apocalypse equivalent of "Check out this picture of my high school sweetheart"November 22, 2010 at 12:11AM ESTReply to Comment
sepinwallHeh. That, or the equivalent of "I've got two days until retirement."November 22, 2010 at 12:14AM EST
MelissaOr the soldier telling his buddies all about his girlfriend/wife back home.November 22, 2010 at 12:31AM EST
P1Stevenor teenager having sex...November 22, 2010 at 1:09PM EST
Watchmanor "I love you Little Joe" (Yes, I am old, why do you ask?)November 22, 2010 at 6:12PM EST
David Thiel (guest)Like you, I'm bugged by the number of douchebags populating this brave, new world. Yes, I know that to a certain extent the more live humans, the better, but really, is the extra firepower worth having such disruptive and potentially murderous people in your midst?
Also, it really pisses me off that everyone uses the term "walkers." It's very artificial. Even if everyone in this show has somehow never seen a zombie movie, who on earth would look at an animated corpse and think that its most significant descriptive trait is the walking? *Someone* (hell, probably most everyone) would call them zombies. Every time I hear "walkers," it reminds me that I'm watching a TV show.November 22, 2010 at 12:13AM ESTReply to Comment
collapsingsandcastlesI wonder if the douchebags are more likely to survive the zombie apocalypse, because they care about themselves first and foremost. I find that element of the show fairly realistic - at least, it's how I imagine a post-zombie-apocalypse world might look. Douchebags and cockroaches.
As for the rest of the episode, damn those last fifteen minutes were amazing. I liked how there was really no danger for Rick and the others from the walkers in the city, but all hell broke lose in the supposed safe haven campsite.November 22, 2010 at 12:22AM EST
SamIf an apocalypse ever does goes down, you are going to be amazed at the amount of douchebags that will pop up if you survive.November 22, 2010 at 12:28AM ESTLike (1)Latest Likes:1 Anonymous
Bryan RasmussenI guess one of the things we have to accept is that this is an alternate universe where there have never been any zombie movies.November 22, 2010 at 2:59AM EST
JosephTotally agree. Think about how many selfish douchebags you meet on a daily basis with the social contract still in place. Frankly if there ever is a zombie apocalypse I would be relieved if there were as many decent people left as there are in the series.November 22, 2010 at 1:17PM EST
David ThielNot saying that it's not realistic to have so many d-bags survive the early stages of the zombie apocalypse, rather that I don't see the argument for suffering them in your otherwise close-knit zombie survival society. Merle and his brother may have useful skills, but they are obviously going to be persistent sources of danger, whether it's by distracting/disrupting the group or by actually inflicting violence on its members.November 22, 2010 at 2:26PM EST
CassieActually most "zombie" movies never refer to the "zombies" as zombies. In Romero's movies the word "zombie" wasn't used until his recent movie and in Resident Evil they are the Infected. Here they are Walkers and Geeks.November 22, 2010 at 11:02PM EST
TruckYou never say the Z word in zombie fiction.November 23, 2010 at 5:22AM EST
cletus van dammeIn real life there would be an even higher douchebag to "normal" people ratio under the survivors. Guys like Merle who know how to use guns and have no problem with violence have of course a better chance of survival as Joe Average.
Hell, even now the world is full of whiney negative douchebags. Just look at the completley over the top negative comments about this amazing episode. ;) This show is so much better than the good but overrated Rubicon it isn't even funny even more. It's not only entertaining, atmospheric and intense as hell, it also has a lot to say about the human condition without beeing pretentious. Only Boardwalk Empire can compete with Walking Dead for the title of the best show of the year.November 23, 2010 at 12:23PM EST
qrterOne thing I find myself wondering is whether this is a world where zombies as fiction never existed, or never broke into the mainstream.
That's the only real explanation why people wouldn't refer to them as zombies, or at least wonder out loud how incredibly prophetic and on the nose all those zombie movies were.
(This isn't a problem for me, btw, just something I was thinking about.)November 23, 2010 at 12:30PM EST
cletus van dammeTalking about Zombie moveis woud be too much like satire or breakin the fourth wall for the bleak and realistic approach of Walking Dead. That would be like if the Father in The Road told his son stories about Mad Max.
It's a world where zombie fiction never existed.November 23, 2010 at 12:43PM EST
Actually in the comic they do call them zombies from time to time. I don't understand why writers think this will "break the fourth wall" because if this actually happened, we'd all be calling them zombies. And geeks and walkers too thanks to the show lawls.November 27, 2010 at 5:29PM EST
(guest)Like you, Alan, I swore off the comic somewhere around the mid-30s, for very much the same reason you did. Then went back and swore off again in the mid-50s. Then again. And once more, when the show re-ignited my interest.
What I'd say is, it might be worth checking back in, as every time I go back, I'm glad I did, at least until the bleakness gets to me again.
I agree, btw... best episode since the pilot. The pilot still stands head and shoulders above the rest of the series to date, but this was a pretty solid episode.November 22, 2010 at 12:18AM ESTReply to Comment
qrterI really liked this episode. I was pretty close to giving up on the series, this pulled me back in.
A lot less of the usual pompous dialogue (although I thought Jim's whole thing was still pretty poorly written - I hardly know the character, no real build to him breaking, etc.).November 23, 2010 at 12:35PM EST
Jackie (guest)Really good episode. Very curious as to what happened to Merle. If he does come back to camp in a rage hopefully his brother will try to pacify him.
The attack scene at the end was really well done; I'm still not completely strait on who all bit the dust since I think some of the characters we saw die were never really focused on except for Amy and the wife beating husband.November 22, 2010 at 12:23AM ESTReply to Comment
JaymeI thought the attack scene was Merle coming back. Early on in the episode, his brother mentioned that he'd be out for some sort of major revenge. The van disappears, and then there's this huge attack at camp, far greater than we'd seen previously. The expedition then gets back (on foot) while the attack is going on, but Merle, who has the van, still isn't back yet?
I must say, though, that I don't care much whether it is or isn't Merle. Either way, it was an excellent scene and I'm looking forward to what happens when Merle does show up.November 22, 2010 at 12:00PM EST
MarkAgreed. I saw at least two other people swinging away but getting bitten from behind. Not sure who all got taken out. It seemed that the mechanic guy (blue coveralls) got bitten but seemed okay at the end.November 22, 2010 at 12:12PM EST
Opinion (guest)For people who have read the comic:
The comic is bleak and dark, but I think there are more good nature moments than Alan lets on.
I agree with the dialogue criticism though.November 22, 2010 at 12:24AM ESTReply to Comment
OPINION*People haven't read the comic
Oops.November 22, 2010 at 12:25AM EST
Jaroslav Haseki never saw the dialog as being a big deal. maybe too much at times but it never bothered me. i guess maybe 1) i blitzed thru first 48 issues in a massive collected compendium vol 1 and 2) a zomvie comic with no dialog would take like 5 minutes to read. that doesnt mean it would be bad or that you couldnt spend more time studying the art but extra words in a comic at least add some extra "value" for your buck.November 22, 2010 at 3:59AM EST
OPINIONKirkman's dialogue doesn't bother me too often. Or at least not as much as Alan and the other critics of it. I enjoy the comic and the dialogue does hit home sometimes (some of Carl's lines come to mind).
However, I can see understand why the criticism is made. Sometimes Rick's speeches are a little much and I read issues with tons of exposition in speech bubbles. However, I've read worse dialogue in a ton of other comics, even ones that get praise like Y: The Last Man.November 22, 2010 at 4:21AM EST
ronmexico (guest)Loved the twist on the nursing home situation. I was expecting a typical guns-blazing confrontation or maybe a sneaky breakout, but instead, this was totally unexpected! You're right about concerns about unrelenting bleakness, and I was really glad the way this subplot turned out...November 22, 2010 at 12:30AM ESTReply to Comment
MechTimberI agree great episode, mainly because the beginning and the ending were so strong. And the intro is growing on me as well mainly because of the theme music.November 22, 2010 at 12:31AM ESTReply to Comment
Rollie (guest)I don't think Merle not cutting off his thumb is as big a plot hole as you make it out to be. I honestly didn't even think of that until you brought it up. I think it's entirely conceivable that when brought to such a circumstance as Merle that you wouldn't think to cut off just your thumb.November 22, 2010 at 12:36AM ESTReply to Comment
DougMacI would think in that situation, you would try and do everything but cut your hand off first. I like this show a lot, but the dialogue tonight was way too on the nose. We got why dad changed knots, that Merle is still a badass with one hand, etc without having it completely spelled out.November 22, 2010 at 12:45AM EST
JimAbbott'sRightHandManIf I had to guess, the explanation for cutting off the hand instead of just the thumb is some mix of a few things. Maybe he wasn't thinking that clearly after being baked in the sun on that roof. Or maybe the zombies were pounding on that door, hurrying him -- and he didn't want to risk cutting off part of the thumb only to find he still couldn't squeeze out of the cuffs. If you've got limited time, I understand just starting with the wrist because you know that will get you out of the cuffs. Though the tradeoff in time (cutting through a whole wrist vs. just a single digit) seems worth trying the thumb first.
As for whether the dialogue was too on-the-nose, I disagree with DOUGMAC. I understand the brother bragging about how bad-ass his brother is (if only to talk himself into thinking he has reason to hope his brother made it out alive). And, frankly, I needed them to spell out the knot thing on the boat to me, because I had no idea what they were talking about until they hit me over the head with it. I don't know anything about fishing or knots.November 22, 2010 at 1:22AM EST
DougMacI can see your point with the brother, but the point of the ladies talking wasnt a fishing lesson, it was that Dad did it because he loved us and we're so different.November 22, 2010 at 9:51AM EST
GullyYou wouldn't be able to apply an effective tourniquet if you just cut off the thumb and thus you would bleed to death. A tourniquet effectively "kills" everything down stream from it and it would be the only way to not bleed to death. Applying the tourniquet first would have also killed the pain of hacking off the hand.
I can still remember the first aid course I took and the guy saying that when you use a tourniquet your effectively telling the person they are going to lose the limb.November 22, 2010 at 3:52PM EST
PotatoSolutionIs it really that much easier to cut through bone than to cut through a thin handcuff chain?November 23, 2010 at 12:18PM EST
hexwrenchReply to comment...November 24, 2010 at 12:21AM EST
Brendan (guest)I thought the dialogue in this one was atrocious. That scene in the boat was well-acted by Holden and Bell, but hearing two people who have known each other for their entire lives spontaneously start delivering speeches about their relationships with Daddy, I don't know, no thanks. Same thing where the one guy goes crazy in the sun, gets beat up, tackled and handcuffed and THEN delivers a long monologue about watching his family die. And of course the fifteen people including small children stand there quietly until he's finished to continue on about their day. At least in DeMunn's scene somebody ASKED him about why he had the watch, and then the group listened to what he had to say.
Couple other points: I liked everything about the city storyline and how it played out, except for the guy who played Guillermo. See, a guy with steely eyes of Lincoln or the ass-kicking abilities of the guy who plays Shane, I can understand why they attract followers and command respect. The guy who played G didn't have that quality. He was to slight, to young and wimpy. He totally overplayed the gangbanger half of the character, which might have been intentional, but then during the reverse sequences I just couldn't buy that he would be the guy who ran this show.
POINT 2: I really, really, really, really, really, really hope none of the camp characters try to take risk to task for leaving the camp. The zombies killed the vast majority of people all at once before anybody had any idea what was happening. There was nothing anybody could have done to save Wife Beater and Kid Sister. If they spend half the episode chewing Rick out my eyes are going to roll into the back of my head.
All those words written, this was a good episode and I'm still digging the show. It's a tribute to how incredibly well produced this show is that it's still incredibly effective and entertaining despite my problems with it. Hope these last two can stick the landing and go out with a bang.November 22, 2010 at 12:42AM ESTReply to Comment
DThe dialogue on this show is pathetic. All the writers should be canned. Somebody press the reset button ASAP.November 22, 2010 at 4:58AM EST
If I'm correct, the two sisters didn't actually know each other *that* well. Andrea being 12 years older, she would've been long gone from their home when their dad taught Amy how to fish. And I'm assuming when Andrea got out of college she went straight to working somewhere else and didn't come back to live at home.November 22, 2010 at 5:02AM EST
JakeThat knowledge doesn't make the scene any more believable to me.November 22, 2010 at 10:44AM EST
ErikIt's a TV show. Dialogue isn't going to be 100% realistic. Listen to real people talk. No one wants to hear that in entertainment.
The sisters in the boat gave emotional speeches about their father so there would be more of a punch when the younger one dies later in the episode. Everyone stood around listening to shovel man's monologue because it would've had a lot less of an impact if people got bored halfway through and walked away.
Sometimes things are going to happen just because they're dramatic. The two moments you're complaining about were my favorite two moments in the episode and both felt completely believable to me within the confines of a work of fiction.November 22, 2010 at 1:50PM EST
JakeMy problem wasn't about realism. The West Wing isn't exactly a model of realism, but it has some of my favorite dialogue in television. One of my problems with the fishing conversation was that it was a contrivance by which they tell the audience how they are different, rather than show it through their behavior. Two sisters having a shared discovery about the attentiveness of the father they lost is a good scenario, with an inherent power. The conversation itself, though, was weakly built, whereby you can almost see the seams in its construction. It didn't even seem to make an attempt at dressing up the old "no crying rule" cliché.November 22, 2010 at 4:43PM EST
qrterBad dialogue doesn't equate "not naturalistic", it basically means you're hearing the writer talk to you, the viewer, instead of the characters talking to eachother and you sort of overhearing it.November 23, 2010 at 12:40PM EST
KarenI agree that the dialogue in this episode seemed very contrived. I'm hoping that this was only because they are trying to pack a regular season storyline into 6 episodes. I understand why they added the intro scene with the sisters. My problem is the way the did it. I hate when shows have to spell things out for you so literally ("I guess it's because we're 12 years apart"). Again, I'm hoping that this is only because this is a short season, and if we had more episodes, they would have layered these nuggets of information throughout different episodes so that it isn't so obvious that they are trying to set something up for the audience. In the end, I could care less that the younger sister died. Walking Dead - I really liked our last 3 flings. I hope you are better next time.November 23, 2010 at 1:26PM EST
blame gamehow about the sound of the shovel? anyone notice they had 3 stock sounds for shovel and kept repeating them? it drove me crazy.November 30, 2010 at 3:09PM EST
marcus (guest)I liked the deflection in that last scene at camp. It was set up like Merle was going to "wreak havoc" with the band of survivors and during the beginning of the zombie invasion, I figured that was him going to recruit Johnny Wifebeater to join forces with him to bust up the gang. Instead, it was much, much worseNovember 22, 2010 at 12:47AM ESTReply to Comment
KellyKI haven't read the comic so I screamed blue murder when Amy was bitten. I was flipping out the entire last 7 minutes, yelling at my favourite characters to get away from the walkers and generally freaking out. Also, was I the only one who after Amy died, kept hollering "I know it's hard but you have to shoot her in the head now. SHOOT HER IN THE HEAD!!"November 22, 2010 at 12:52AM ESTReply to Comment
ShopeIVI was saying the same thingNovember 22, 2010 at 4:40AM EST
LisaThis is the thing I am wondering about, too. She will come back as a walker, right? And what about her sister? She has the infected blood all over her hands and face.November 22, 2010 at 2:25PM EST
KellyKIt's exactly what's going to happen if they don't shoot the dead in their noggins. Sad but true. I think Andrea is fine because one - the infection hasn't set in yet and two - she can only be infected if she has cuts and scratches on her hands, which is highly likely considering the life she's living, but I'm more inclined to believe the infection hasn't set in yet. In all the zombie shows I've seen, either they become zombies immediately after they die or it takes a few hours to set in. Since Amy didn't die and then immediately open her eyes and try to snack on her sister I'm expecting the show is going the "few hours" route. I, being fully prepared for a zombie attack, turned to my husband and said "If I die from a zombie attack, the first thing you do is shoot me in the head. Are we clear?" He agreed to it - good man that he is.November 22, 2010 at 4:08PM EST
Jenna (guest)I'm liking this show - even tho zombies aren't really my thing - but I have to wonder if this storyline is going to get old, fast. Week after week of our heros making small gains, only once again face death with the walkers, is gonna get mighty depressing after awhile.November 22, 2010 at 12:59AM ESTReply to Comment
ronmexico (guest)Anyone know why zombies haven't descended en masse upon the Vatos hideout / nursing home?November 22, 2010 at 1:01AM ESTReply to Comment
Cool Lester Smoothi know that it was completely irrelevant to the plot, but what was rick's plan when he entered the vatos compound with the guns before the old woman came out? he acted before like he had some great plan, but ended up just pulling out his guns and getting in a standoff that could have ended very badly.
regardless, very good episode. was completely on the edge of my seat during the zombie attack at the end. hadn't read the comics and haven't figured out who all is in the main cast, so i was pretty shocked when amy got killed. looking forward to the last two of the season.November 22, 2010 at 1:11AM ESTReply to Comment
STOLTMANReply to comment...November 22, 2010 at 1:15AM EST
STOLTMANI think the entire plan was the sniper on the roof. Unfortunately, their best strategist was the guy they were trying to rescue.November 22, 2010 at 1:19AM EST
We All DieGRENADE....let god sort them outNovember 22, 2010 at 1:28AM EST
JeffStill waiting to find out what the 'nade will be used for!November 22, 2010 at 1:33AM EST
JimAbbott'sRightHandManI think his plan was to just show up and out-gun them if they didn't back down. He probably figured they'd likely only have a small handful of handguns (likely without a ton of ammo left, and likely being used by people who weren't exactly marskmen). Even outnumbered, having bigger and better weapons with more plentiful ammo has to count for something. Not to mention the cop and the crossbow hunter dude likely both being pretty handy with weapons.November 22, 2010 at 1:40AM EST
QuimbosI assumed Rick was banking on the fact that no matter who they were they would be reluctant to start a massive gunfight as it would draw a lot of unwanted attention to their hideout from the nearby zombies. We saw what happened the last time someone fired a weapon in Atlanta.November 22, 2010 at 3:52AM EST
MarkPlan? Plan?
We don't need no stinking plan!
blam, blam, blam.November 22, 2010 at 8:23PM EST
wykstradYeah, I think his plan was basically "in a small, enclosed space, shotguns beat handguns."November 22, 2010 at 11:22PM EST
joelHe told G flat out that he was prepared and expecting to open fire. I'm guessing (being a cop with a lot of experience) that gangbangers are typically horrible shots and will shoot wildly in a fire fight. He probably expected them to scatter once 4-5 of them were to blown to smithereens by the shotguns. This probably explains the kid's line "This is crazy."
It would still be a bad plan, however.November 23, 2010 at 5:05PM EST
Jeff (guest)I love this show, however, this episode was probably my least favorite. Although, I still enjoyed it; I just found "the vatos" subplot to be a bit hokey. Either way, I am still hooked on the show.
Also, I was bummed out to see that one guy (Hispanic dude, forget his name) get bit! He was the one that was going to town on the zombies with the baseball bat. Although, it was just a small bite on the arm, that would be enough to infect him....unless they amputate his arm( two amputations in one season!)November 22, 2010 at 1:30AM ESTReply to Comment
DangerBoy (guest)I'm not a zombie fan or a comic fan, so I just judge this show on its dramatic merits, and I have to say that those first five minutes -- the scene with the sisters in the fishing boat -- were just about the most poorly written dialogue I've ever witnessed on my television box. I have honestly seen scenes from Full House that offered more nuance and depth. It was just awful, awful, awful. It pretty much turned me off completely to the rest of the episode.
Up to now I've accepted cardboard characters and on-the-nose dialogue as stuff that just goes with the territory, but that scene crossed the line. Bravo, I suppose, to the actors, who managed to do what they could with the dialogue as written, but still I would think almost any actor that wasn't on the verge of starvation would burn their SAG card before performing such horrible, horrible dreck.
Sorry, but that truly sucked.November 22, 2010 at 1:49AM ESTReply to Comment
ChickBoth those actresses should just hand in their SAG cards. Embarrassing.November 22, 2010 at 4:54AM EST
DougMacI thought the actors did a good job, they didn't write the stuff, they are just working with what they're givenNovember 22, 2010 at 9:49AM EST
Shanereminded me of the begining of the pilot, but as an avid outdoorsman it just struck me as a really lame.November 22, 2010 at 5:44PM EST
Girly (guest)When I saw the abuela, my bro and I started laughing out loud...we expected to see her start slapping heads and tweeking ears!November 22, 2010 at 2:45AM ESTReply to Comment
Bob (guest)Yes, strongest episode since the pilot. I was incredulous over the entire evil gang being minorities, until the very satisfying reveal. Still not plausible and kind of insulting really if you stop to think that the shorthand for criminal is Mexican. Upending what some might call a stereotype is not groundbreaking if only the racists--and not most of us--thing the steroetype that minorities are gang-bangers. I guess they did it that way to make us shamed over our instantaneous prejudices, but I just thought the produers were being racists.
Question: I'm a zombie tyro so forgive me, but how do people become the undead? Vampires choose to make people their own by forcing victims to drink their own blood, but what's the rule with zombies? Yes, bitten, but wouldn't a braindead animal just keep eating until there was no one left? I could look it up on Wikipedia, but it's more fun and community like if someone could help. Thanks.November 22, 2010 at 3:17AM ESTReply to Comment
BobExcuse the spelling mistakes. I'm posting this on the West Coast, right after the episode finished, so a bit tired. I also liked how they checkmarked the horror genre trope of the prophet and made what's usually the old black woman into a middle aged guy. (Him seeing his family eaten was really good enough reason for me on digging the holes. I also was reminded of Damian Lewis' Zen, obsessed cop in the great, short lived Life, who dug holes to calm down). Jim is going to have more and bloodier visions. Though I guess, Nick-the blind or deaf guy from The Stand--was also a prophet of sorts, if I remember correctly (years since I read the novel).November 22, 2010 at 3:28AM EST
Tom GallowayIn general, zombies infect others by breaking their skin with either a bite or scratch. As noted when they didn't try to salvage the partially eaten by a zombie deer, it may be the case that somehow ingesting or inhaling some part of a zombie can turn a normal (i.e. blood splatter or the like).
It's frequently the case that zombies won't eat other zombies. So the usual infection route is that a normal gets bitten or scratched but gets away before significantly consumed. Shortly later, the infection kicks in and they're no longer on the dinner menu.
In some zombie stories, dying of any cause continues to lead to zombiehood after the initial outbreak, in others you have to be infected prior to "death" to come back. This can depend on the cause of the initial outbreak. For example, an escaped experimental virus wouldn't necessarily cause such (unless it's spread into the general atmosphere in a diluted form or the like), but a radiation emitting meteorite or mystical cause could.November 22, 2010 at 4:07AM EST
Bob@Tom: A comprehensive answer. Thank you.November 22, 2010 at 4:18AM EST
blob"I was incredulous over the entire evil gang being minorities, until the very satisfying reveal."
Your attitude is everything that was wrong with the episode. Most gangs are made up entirely of one racial group or the other, whether it's white people, black people, hispanics, asians, russians, italians, irish, etc. You are far more likely to run into a gang made up of one ethnic group than some multiracial gang. And you're far more likely to run into a gang that is "evil" than a gang that takes care of old people at a retirement home. Because gangs don't take care of old people at retirement homes. I'm not sure why that would change during a zombie apocalypse... that is not a "stereotype", that is reality. And "upending" it was just silly.November 22, 2010 at 4:52AM EST
KarenXI admit in advance that maybe I missed the one sentence of dialogue that proves me completely wrong.
I don't think Los Vatos were a pre-established criminal gang that took on this noble responsibility, so that these guys were using their powers for good instead of thuggery didn't seem unlikely to me. Felipe and Guillermo were working there--one ethnic nurse and one ethnic custodian. As things went bad, guys started trickling in to check on their relatives and stayed, or F&G's relatives knew where they were and holed up with them. That friends and relatives who dropped by to F&G's compound were all the same ethnicity doesn't faze me; that only the Latino relatives of old people came in to check on them is where I wonder if that becomes a silly story. I dunno. I did see a black man in the crowd during the standoff, and I think I saw a middle-aged white woman helping an older person. I also don't know much about the demographics of urban nursing homes, but the patients seemed pretty mixed racially.November 22, 2010 at 1:34PM EST
GloriaAlso, just a point, I wouldn't be surprised if a nursing home had a predominant ethnicity (which might explain why most of the "gang" was a particular ethnicity). Lots of families want familiarity and comfort for their elderly, and putting them in a home where language and food issues are more easily accommodated can be a priority.November 23, 2010 at 4:46PM EST
joelSince we're on the subject of race, isn't Atlanta supposedly one of the most predominantly black cities in America? Maybe that's more a statement of affluence than population, but I'm a little shocked by how white the cast is, especially the hordes of undead.November 23, 2010 at 5:14PM EST
T21024Isnt this the heart of the series though? Who is going to survive; the douchebags working against everyone and stabbing everyone in the back or legitimately good people like Rick who want to help each other.The douchbags have already lost their humanity, and that makes people like Rick an endangered species. But it also makes them stronger in the end. Not leaving a trail of bad blood with people like the Vatos or the man and his son from the pilot will only help RIck survive. Even if those people dont pay him back, being a good man will allow him to maintain his humanity and get others to follow him.November 22, 2010 at 3:18AM ESTReply to Comment
Tom Galloway (guest)"not unless the entire series would be constructed as a series of post-apocalyptic walk-and-talks like "The West Wing,""
Now you've got me picturing a West Wing renamed "The Walking and Talking Dead", featuring CJ, Toby, and Josh stumbling through the hallways at a relatively rapid pace, similarly quickly saying "Braaains braaaains braaaaaains".November 22, 2010 at 4:14AM ESTReply to Comment
bs (guest)Jesus, this is getting more unbearable with each episode... I guess just being on the same TV station as Breaking Bad is no guarantee that a show will be worth watching. Surprise.
The boat scene with the reminiscing about family and crying, you knew one or the other would die. A scene that fucking awful doesn't exist otherwise.
Also, the scenes with her being eaten, dying, and her older sister crying over her body were embarrassingly bad. "I story requires me to die now so I'm just going to let this zombie walk up and start munching on me."
The old man giving the speech about winding his watch, how cliche. I'm pretty sure there's a similar scene in every post-apocalyptic tale. "We're all going to die but I still do X to maintain normalcy."
The guy who beats his wife gets killed, big surprise.
The hispanic gang that's all hard looking... but is really protecting an old folk's home... LOL LOL
They're fixing up some cars to take the old people... where exactly? Away from the retirement home that is secured and has some level of medical facilities?
The young gang type dudes come by to check up on their old relatives and end up staying? Really? Who are these gangster looking young males who during a zombie infection decide to check up on grandma at the retirement home?
Did anyone think for a second that they were really going to be the bad guys? They would have to be white or at least multiracial for that... whereas this was apparently a hispanic-only retirement home for some reason. There should have been a sign out front "Shady Acres Retirement Home: Must have gangster-looking hispanic grandson to live here"
I'm just wondering if Michael Rooker will be back... I still can't believe they wasted him on an overtly racist redneck character who for some reason the others decided to take on their important scavenging mission... even though he refuses to take orders, is unpredictable, constantly makes racist comments, and attacks other members of their group. What could have possibly gone wrong there?
Zombies are awesome, but that can't be enough to keep a show going... can it?November 22, 2010 at 4:44AM ESTReply to Comment
JamesI agree, this show has really gone downhill since the pilot.November 22, 2010 at 5:03AM EST
DougMacI guessing Rooker will be back because he is too good to waste on what he's done so far. My guess is that he filled the van with zombies and unleashed them on the camp.November 22, 2010 at 9:54AM EST
JimAbbott'sRightHandManRooker can't have much of a shelf life. How hard is it to have a character be missing a hand when the actor has both of his hands? Does a cable TV series like this have the budget to CGI that stuff? Or would it wind up similar to movies like "Happy Gilmore" where it's laughably obvious the actor has more hands than his character is supposed to have? OR do you have to just get really cute by just never showing angles where you can see that arm (or both arms at the same time to compare the length of the two)?November 22, 2010 at 1:34PM EST
Jim, this is one show I wouldn't worry about having the money for CGINovember 22, 2010 at 2:01PM EST
JimAbbott'sRightHandManI guess I'm not sure if it's money or time, come to think of it. Because I've noticed pretty awful CGI work on network shows that I'd assume have much more resources ("No Ordinary Family" has pretty terrible CGI stuff going on each episode). Might not be a money problem, it might just be tough doing these things right in the confines of a TV show's schedule.November 22, 2010 at 2:51PM EST
KellyKBS if you hate the show this much why torture yourself by continuing to watch it? It seems like a pretty simple concept to me. *shrugs* I thought I would love Ordinary Family - watched two episodes, realized the annoying teenage girl and annoying "family" crap wasn't for me and simply changed the channel. I was disappointed that a show I had high hopes for turned out to be a dud in my eyes but I'm not foaming at the mouth like you seem to be by watching every episode knowing full well I'm going to hate it.November 22, 2010 at 4:18PM EST
joelHalf your complaints were answered in the dialogue. Maybe you should actually watch the show and listen to it?
You think gang members are just like they're portrayed in TV and movies, don't you? Of course they wouldn't care about their families, or helping their relatives. Because why exactly?November 23, 2010 at 5:20PM EST
Chris (guest)I agree about the title sequence and theme. The music kicking in at the end of the opening scene is really cool.November 22, 2010 at 5:34AM ESTReply to Comment
PParker (guest)Why couldn't the rescue team smear themselves with zombie guts again to go after the guns? It was a sunny day, with no chance of rain again.November 22, 2010 at 5:54AM ESTReply to Comment
EdBecause the writers are clearly idiots based on everything we have seen so far, therefore they expect the audience to be full of idiots.November 22, 2010 at 6:03AM EST
JosephWell, obviously they didn't have to, since Glenn was able to get the guns without much of a problem. It was a completely different situation than the last time they were in Atlanta, stuck in a building and surrounded by zombies who knew they were there.
While I think the show is far from perfect, it's solid entertainment and I find it interesting to now see the negative comments. I guess it was inevitable that there would be backlash with a show as critically and commercially successful as this, although I thought it wouldn't really happen until season 2.November 22, 2010 at 1:30PM EST
(guest)The last 15 minutes were great, and I agree that this was the best episode since the pilot. I like the older sister actress...she's really good.
I love some of the zombie kills...an arrow through the forehead or a point of view behind the zombie as the zombie gets its head blown off...quality kills!
The campfire scene was good, but I am curious as to why they chose for the character to paraphrase a Faulkner passage. Faulkner isn't easy to read...he's kind of like Cormac McCarthy in that the words on the page don't necessarily translate to dialogue. I didn't think the "watch" speech worked very well, but the zombie attack after what was a peaceful and reflective moment was a nice surprise.November 22, 2010 at 9:04AM ESTReply to Comment
dubarry (guest)The "I was the janitor" reveal was pretty excellent.November 22, 2010 at 9:28AM ESTReply to Comment
eon (guest)I love how the older sister makes a big deal about her little sister's birthday being only two days away and then later that same day tell the camper guy that it's useless to keep track of time.November 22, 2010 at 9:28AM ESTReply to Comment
sepinwallShe does that because he's asking her to support him in a public setting, in a way that she fears will give away her birthday surprise to her sister.November 22, 2010 at 10:04AM EST
eonhmm. I didn't pick up on that but I was half asleep by that time. I'll have to watch it again.November 22, 2010 at 10:46AM EST
KmarkoI thought this was terrific. Having no knowledge at all of the graphic novel, the ending surprised me--didn't think several characters would check out so quickly.
Question: how soon after getting bitten does one zombie-fy? I was thinking the sister might rear up & get her, maybe it takes away.
Surprised by those who didn't care for the dialogue, which I thought was quite nice. Could be the built-in audience for this type of show is looking for something different.November 22, 2010 at 10:09AM ESTReply to Comment
SareetaThis was the worst episode in my opinion. At this point, the only characters I care about are Rick, Glenn, TBone (?), and believe it or not, Darryl (he may be a hillbilly, but he has shown he can be reasonable and he his crossbow comes in very handy). The other campers just seem like whiny people who I can't imagine would stick together for this long. Knowing there are "walkers" out there, I don't understand why they are just hanging out leaving themselves open to the zombie attack at the end. The little things the characters worry about (the need to wrap a birthday present) are so unimportant in the grand scheme of things and wasted scenes.
Also, while I enjoyed Rick and the guys following Merle's tracks, I thought the run-in with the nursing home people was just another waste of time. Yes, I get it. The living can be bigger pains in the asses than the zombies; do we need to be reminded week after week? Wouldn't it have been easier to say up front that they were just trying to protect the old people and that's why they needed the guns? I would like the story to move a little faster and not just be "what jerks are the main character going to encounter this week?"
Also, I felt nothing after the zombie attack at the end. Not scared, not sad, nothing. It's odd that such a violent scene would have no effect on me; I guess it's because I don't care about the characters who got killed.
I am disappointed a quality show like Rubicon got killed while The Walking Dead was picked up simply because people crave gore and violence over character and story.November 22, 2010 at 10:58AM ESTReply to Comment
abcdivaI agree with a lot of what you are saying. Since the second episode, I have been really wondering why they all think that it's fine to set up a camp in flimsy tents during a zombie apocolypse. GET IN A HOUSE. WITH WALLS. Sheesh.
I love the group of guys that you favor as well, with the addition of Dale, the quirky old man. I wasn't too upset or scared (more annoyed) by the attack on camp, except I was REALLY worried Dale would get bitten.
Also, SERIOUSLY all of a sudden downtown Atlanta is jogging distance from camp?November 22, 2010 at 3:57PM EST
MarkWhen mechanic guy was digging the holes, you could see the skyline from the hill he was on. So yeah, you could hike back from there in the given time frame. My problem is why set up camp that close to the city? They've been there a month and done nothing to secure their perimeter.November 22, 2010 at 8:37PM EST
LameI can't believe people are still whining about Rubicon as if The Walking Dead caused its cancellation.November 24, 2010 at 1:10AM EST
Suzombie (guest)I enjoyed this epsoide. Considering the lack of alternatives right now, this is entertaining. It's something my 16 year old son and I watch together, and we ohh and ahh and squirm at the same time.
One question - are we to believe the the Walkers are cognizant enough to wait till the cloak of darkness and all attack at the same time? That they think and plan?November 22, 2010 at 11:07AM ESTReply to Comment
MikeI was thinking the same thing. Not that it was a well thought out plan, but how convenient that they all attacked at the same time.November 22, 2010 at 11:51AM EST
KmarkoMy (completely uninformed) thought is that they just happened to arrive at night. They attacked at the same time because they seem to lumber around in packs...I suppose picking up the scent of the living at the same time.
You would think the camp folk would be a bit more cautious walking around though...November 22, 2010 at 12:11PM EST
DougMacI think Merle brought them from the city in the van and unleashed them late at night when it would be hardest to mount a defenseNovember 22, 2010 at 12:22PM EST
KmarkoThat's a joke, right, Doug?November 22, 2010 at 1:03PM EST
I don't think it's that outlandish of a theory... Throw a carcass in the back, let the zombies jump in, shut the door and drive somewhere close enough to camp that the zombies catch a whiff of living-meat. Open the door and drive off like a madman. Would certainly match up with Merle's personality and scale of vengeance. The only real question would be whether Merle would do that without knowing if his brother was at camp or not. Maybe he spied first?
It seems more plausible than a dozen+ zombies randomly wandering into camp in the middle of nowhere and none others showing up when about a hundred shots are fired.November 22, 2010 at 2:10PM EST
KmarkoI guess I'm not remembering their vehicle well--wasn't it just a van? Wouldn't he have to be in the vehicle with the zombies? Or did they have a trailer or something.
That's why I thought it was a joke. But if it was possible for Merle to do, it seems unlikely--for all he knows, his brother is still at the campl, right? Don't think he'd want to sic the zombies on them.November 22, 2010 at 2:26PM EST
StackAll that nice smelling fish being cooked on the big fire probably brought every Zombie for miles.November 22, 2010 at 2:34PM EST
SusanI think it's possible the walkers were attracted by the light and/or smell of the fire and/or the smell of the fish fry.November 22, 2010 at 2:40PM EST
JaymeDoug - I thought the same thing. My guess, however, is that he just drove slowly while they followed him, because, as Kmarko says, he would have had to be in the vehicle with the zombies. If he just gets them close enough to the camp, then takes off, it leaves them to find the camp on their own.
Why else would it have taken him longer than his rescue expedition to get back to camp, when he was the one with the truck?November 22, 2010 at 3:38PM EST
MarkWhen hiking in bear country, one of the things they tell you is "no cooking of odiferous foods". Fish would fit in that category.November 22, 2010 at 8:42PM EST
I immediately thought the same thing about Merle taking the zombies to the camp in the truck. Then later, I pondered how Merle would've exactly done that. Herding zombies would be way worse than herding cats.November 23, 2010 at 4:29PM EST
Elevation (guest)Maybe this is just me, but I feel like if I just came out of a coma and there was a zombie infestation at some point I would have a conversation with the others asking such questions as:
When did this start?
Do we know why there are zombies currently populating Georgia?
What was the news saying about the zombie apocalypse?
Could we go to another state to escape the zombies?
How about to another country?November 22, 2010 at 1:02PM ESTReply to Comment
JosephAnd how exactly would that make for a compelling TV show? "On tonight's episode - Rick finds out what the TV news was saying about the zombie apocalypse!" They are only four episodes into the series, I am sure they will get more into the how/why as the series progresses.November 22, 2010 at 1:35PM EST
ElevationThank you Captain Smartass.
Why would Rick having a 2 minute conversation with somebody to try and get a few answers make the show any less compelling?
We have five minute conversations about fishing, pretty sure we could find time for Rick to ask his wife "how the hell did this start?"November 22, 2010 at 2:43PM EST
KmarkoAbsolutely fair point, and you're right, it wouldn't have to be a particularly long scene. But a couple of questions would be logical.November 22, 2010 at 2:52PM EST
JosephWell, firstly I guess I just don't understand how a two minute conversation about the origins and current state of the zombie apocalypse would be satisfying. In zombie movies, the origin is usually either irrelevant or explained during the opening credits. Given the fact the series is only four hours into what I am sure the creators are expecting will be a lenghty run (as opposed to a 90 minute movie) there is no need to get into those questions right from the get-go. Also, I believe they did lightly touch on some of those issues in the pilot, during the conversations with the man and his son.
Secondly, I would think if you woke up from a coma into a zombie apocalypse that wondering exactly how it started, and whether or not the whole world were affected, would be the last thing on your mind. Rick has only been awake for, what, a week (?), it's only been a day or so since he found his family, and he has barely had a quiet moment to think about anything beyond immediate survival. I don't think it's unreasonable that he is not yet concerned with the hows and whys.November 22, 2010 at 3:35PM EST
ElevationWell, I just hope they answer a few things at some point this year.
I just feel like if I was living in a zombie apocalypse, I would want to see if anybody knew why said zombie apocalypse is happening.
Could be worth asking if other parts of the country are getting attacked too, in case there is somewhere else to take the fam.November 22, 2010 at 3:42PM EST
SarahElevation, I'm with you 100%. I just don't understand why Rick hasn't asked these questions.
People keep pulling the Darlton "it's all about the characters" excuse, but that doesn't cut it for me. If the characters new the source of the outbreak, perhaps they could start forming long-term goals, which, in my opinion, is what the show needs.
Watching Rick & Co. go in and out of Atlanta each week will get dull. These guys need something to strive for. It's no longer Rick finding his family, so maybe it could finding the cause of the outbreak or getting to a place that isn't so zombie infested...November 22, 2010 at 5:44PM EST
JosephYes, watching them go in and out of Atlanta every week would undoubtedly get dull. But the show has only had four episodes! I'm not saying they should never ever leave the current setting and/or delve into the details behind the zombie epidemic but can't we give the show a chance to develop before we start demanding answers? I really think "long term goals" would not be formed the first week following an event like this - you would be focused on the short term goal of survival, first and foremost.November 22, 2010 at 6:09PM EST
ElevationYou can have the characters have a conversation asking "how did this happen?" and "is it like this everywhere?" in the first season without it feeling out of place.
Right now it just feels like this giant elephant in the room. It just seems unnatural to deal with a zombie apocalypse so nonchalantly.November 22, 2010 at 7:22PM EST
Bryan RasmussenWell from what I remember from the first episode the middle aged black guy said something about
"When did this start?"
he didn't give an exact date IIRC but then I didn't really care at the time.
"Do we know why there are zombies currently populating Georgia?"
No, he didn't seem to know WHY.
"What was the news saying about the zombie apocalypse?"
The government was relocating people to cities.
"Could we go to another state to escape the zombies?"
I believe he implied it was nationwide but if I travelled from my little hometown infested with zombies through Zombie infested countryside to Atlanta, a pretty big city that is completely taken over by Zombies I'm not gonna be like, hmm I bet if I just get down to florida things will be great!November 22, 2010 at 9:41PM EST
wykstradIt's the "people aren't idiots" reason. If someone had just come out of a coma and asked me if there was another state or country where there weren't any zombies, my reply would be something along the lines of, "motherfucker, do you think I would be sticking around here if there was a known zombie-free zone?"November 22, 2010 at 11:27PM EST


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A young clergyman who lost his life in endeavouring to rescue a stranger from drowning at Putney.
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Postman's Park is a small green memorial garden in the City of London. It is located between King Edward Street, Little Britain and Angel Street. It was created in 1880 from the churchyards of St Leonard, Foster Lane and St Botolph-without-Aldersgate together with the graveyard of Christ Church Greyfriars. St Leonard's had been a ruin since the Great Fire and was probably demolished at the time of the creation of the park. St Botolph's is still open and stands at the north east corner of the park. Christ Church was detached from its graveyard and is now a ruin on the other side of King Edward Street.
The park was the idea of the painter George Frederick Watts who wanted to celebrate people who may otherwise have been forgotten. Its name celebrates the postmen who work in the principal London post office and the former sorting office in King Edward Street.
A wall in the park has 34 hand-painted tiles paying tribute to everyday people who sacrificed their lives helping others. The hand-lettered tiles were made by Royal Doulton.
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Scattered and total transmittance in the 360–870 nm wavelength range is compared for standard bronze and anomalous blue VO2 thin films. Optical measurements using an integrating sphere were made on five samples which include one standard bronze VO2 thin film and four anomalous VO2 films prepared by different techniques. The microstructures of these films are compared and optical constants are computed at 0.632, 0.694, 1.15, and 3.4 μm.
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After four years of planning and construction, Cooper's Hawk Winery & Restaurant opened in 2005 in Orland Park, a south suburb of Chicago. The concept was unique. We would create a signature menu with a selection of dishes designed to pair perfectly with our own Cooper's Hawk wines, made in our own private winery. With sophisticated food and exceptional wines, our concept was born. The Cooper's Hawk concept includes four distinct components: an upscale casual dining restaurant, full-service bar, private barrel-aging room, and Napa-style tasting room and retail gift store…all under one roof. Each Cooper's Hawk location is distinctive in layout and décor, but carries the same warmth and elegance that guests have come to expect.
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Ciazza features American fare and a mix of Mediterranean favorites paired with wine and cocktails. A relaxing environment welcomes guests and diners.
CITY:Burr Ridge
Relax and unwind at Kohler Waters Spa at Burr Ridge – recently named the #1 Day Spa in Chicago by Chicago magazine.
CITY:Burr Ridge
91 Rooms, 40+ television channels, within 15 minutes of downtown Chicago. Located at the last lodging exit before downtown.
CITY:Calumet Park
85 luxurious rooms- meeting space for 75 - complimentary continental breakfast - pool and spa - 15 minutes to downtown Chicago and major attractions. E-Z expressway access and rapid transit to downtown. Last lodging exit to Downtown Chicago.
CITY:Calumet Park
Very accessible to downtown Chicago. Located immediately on Interstate 57. Fast food restaurant and auto service adjacent to hotel. Quiet and fireproof brick hotel.
CITY:Calumet Park
Holiday Inn Hotel & Suites Carol Stream
194 rooms with pillowtop mattresses(44 upgraded two-room suites), complimentary high speed wireless internet, indoor pool, fitness room & business center. Banquets for up to 400. Alberto's Restaurant offers breakfast, lunch & dinner with an Italian theme.
CITY:Carol Stream
Stay active! This award-winning parks & recreation agency offers over 400 acres of parks, 5 miles of paved trails, 3 recreation centers, free special events & hundreds of recreation, dance, gymnastics, summer camp, sports & fitness & active adult programs.
CITY:Carol Stream
Change can be a good thing! Enjoy our entirely upgraded hotel in 2012 featuring new guest rooms with internet ready flat screen TVs, new Perfect Mix lobby/breakfast area, and more. Nearby are a variety of shopping and dining options.
CITY:Carol Stream
Holiday Inn & Suites Carol Stream
DuPage County, Chicago's Western Suburbs - 193 rooms with pillowtop mattresses (44 upgraded two-room suites), complimentary high speed wireless internet, indoor pool, fitness room & business center. Banquets for up to 400. The Italian themed Alberto's Restaurant offers breakfast, lunch & dinner.
CITY:Carol Stream
Dive into this beach-themed water park with 2 tall tube slides, drop-slide, diving well, walk-in swimming pool, splash 'n spray playground, sand play area and café. Locker rooms, showers & family restrooms. Available for group rentals for 50-1500 people.
CITY:Carol Stream
Alberto's Italian Restaurant & Fitzgerald's Tavern
Located adjacent to the Holiday Inn Hotel & Suites in Carol Stream, Illinois, we offer some of the finest Italian cuisine in the western suburbs. Rise and shine, and join us for our bountiful breakfast buffet! Enjoy one of our delicious breakfast entrees, or have our chef prepare you an omelet cooked to order.
CITY:Carol Stream
Fitzgerald's Tavern, Holiday Inn Hotel & Suites
Fitzgerald's Tavern offers a relaxing atmosphere after a day's work. We feature karaoke, and offer variaties of live performances along with several TVs to watch all your favorite teams.
CITY:Carol Stream
Brunswick Zone offers bowling, billiards, Laser Tag, an arcade/game room plus meeting space for corporate parties, team-building and special events.
CITY:Carol Stream
Heritage Bluffs- The Grille Room
Daily specials, casual atmosphere in the Grille Room Restaurant at the Heritage Bluffs Golf Course. Patio area, meeting room available and banquets. Lunch from 11 - 2.
The I&M Canal Trail offers 61 miles of picturesque hiking and biking trails that follow the historic route of the I&M Canal from Channahon to LaSalle. The Trail also boasts Illinois' longest continuous snowmobile trail, and is a favored route for cross-country skiers.
Heritage Bluffs Public Golf Club has been one of Chicagoland's highest rated golf courses since it opened in 1993. It offers a challenge for the serious player and fun for the more casual player across its rolling acres that offer scenic beauty unlike most Chicago-area courses. Everyone can find a length to suit their game from our four tee boxes that stretch the course from 5000 to over 7100 yards.
Free High speed wireless internet. Free HBO and Showtime. Jacuzzi rooms available. Spacious rooms and guest laundry.
Open 7 days a week at 6:00 AM serving breakfast, lunch & dinner. Family restaurant with cocktail lounge. Serving homemade food and chef's specials. Excellent food, friendly service, great prices. Serving our area for more than Thirty years.
October brings pumpkins, hayrides, corn maze, train rides, farm animals, and fun. Also come see our Civil war reenactment the third weekend in October. Warrior Dash Midwest in June. On site gift shop.
Located on the main campus of Prairie State College, the Christopher Art Gallery hosts six to eight shows annually, featuring local, regional and national artists, as well as student works. Programming varies by media, theme, and artists represented.
CITY:Chicago Heights
Union Street Gallery & Art Studios
Union Street Gallery hosts 10 art exhibits per year, classes and workshops. There are 16 artists' studios to compliment the experience. Free Admission, free tours and field trips available. First floor galleries and studios are handicapped accessible.
CITY:Chicago Heights
This 27-room property offers budget lodging conveniently located near many restaurants, a laundry center, gas stations, grocery stores and a wide variety of shops. Free parking is offered during your stay.
CITY:Chicago Heights
Bringing drama to the South Suburbs since 1931, The Drama Group is one of the oldest volunteer community theatres in the country. This drama group is a not-for-profit community theater.
CITY:Chicago Heights
Great shopping at three department stores: Carson Pirie Scott, Kohl's and Sears, plus a full line-up of more than 140 fabulous shops,including H&M, Pandora & More! Food court and AMC Theatre Chicago Ridge 6.
CITY:Chicago Ridge
The original 1893 schoolhouse displays hundreds of original artifacts depicting immigrant turn-of-the-century life of families, businesses, and coal mines. Original items include the jailhouse iron doors, soccer trophies and bocce balls, coal mining tools, furniture and household items, old store supplies, Illinois coal reports, maps and plats, and plenty of family memories; there is something to interest everyone.
CITY:Coal City
Country Club Hills Amphitheater Theater
Our beautiful new Country Club Hills Amphitheater Theater is an intimate, 2000-seat venue that combines stylish, modern architecture and state-of-the-art audio and video technology with the same kind of rustic, community charm that our city is famous for.
CITY:Country Club Hills
William Tell has been a landmark for legendary fine dining since 1952. Our elegant dining room embodies old world charm, while our menu reflects a distinct European style. Located on the Historic Route 66.
EagleRider Motorcycle Rentals and Tours
EagleRider is the largest motorcycle rental and tour company in the world. Rent a Harley Davidson for a day or a week and experience the open road!
Holiday Inn William Tell Hotel Chicago SW Countryside Banquets and Conference Center
Located just minutes from downtown Chicago and both Midway and O'Hare airports, the Holiday Inn & William Tell Chicago SW Countryside Banquets and Conference Center is the premier destination for business and leisure travel. We feature 176 comfortable Countryside, IL hotel rooms appointed with modern amenities, over 25,000 square feet of flexible meeting space, onsite dining and easy access to area businesses and sightseeing. While here, guests can enjoy a 25-yard lap pool, sauna, steam room and jacuzzi tub, making us a top choice for families. Our Countryside, Illinois hotel is also pleased to offer complimentary Wi-Fi and a free shuttle within a 5-mile radius upon request. When it's time to explore, venture out to a plethora of nearby attractions and activities, including the Brookfield Zoo, Max McCook, Toyota Park and much more.
Best Western PLUS Chicagoland - Countryside
The Best Western hotel offers the best in amenities, customer service, and accommodations at an affordable rate. Located about 20 miles from Chicago and located on Old Route 66. Convenient access to I-55 brings them to the favorite Chicago area attractions. Hot breakfast buffet is complimentary along with High-Speed WiFi.
Prairie Bluff Public Golf Club
Prairie Bluff is located on 237 acres of rolling terrain and is framed with prairie grass, which adds to the golf course's overall challenge and beauty for those who play here. With four sets of tees, 10 lakes and more than 40 bunkers, golfers of all skill levels will find a good challenge. At Prairie Bluff, you will enjoy our beautiful 10,000 square foot clubhouse that features a pro shop, banquet hall & bar. Beyond serving as a fabulous golf facility, Prairie Bluff is an ideal location for breakfast, lunch, dinner or cocktails. Prairie bluff's learning center offers a 10- acre driving range, short game area with bunker, putting green, private and group lessons. Let Prairie Bluff host your next golf outing!
CITY:Crest Hill
Giovan's Restaurant & Pizzeria
The complete Italian family dining experience. Family owned and operated.
CITY:Crest Hill
Siegel's Cottonwood farm is a fourth generation working farm established in 1909. In the spring and early summer, the farm is open with a garden center featuring flowers, shrubs, and plants. From June 1st thru October, the farm is available for company picnics, group outings, corporate events and fundraisers. In the summer when the crop is ready its extra sweet corn. In the fall its Pumpkinfest time on the farm with playlands, cornfield mazes, new fun attractions, climbing wall, gem mining and much more. And then there is the award winning haunted prison, "Statesville."
CITY:Crest Hill
Illinois' largest quilting fabrics store. 7,000 bolts of cotton fabric, classes, sewing, quilting. Sales of Pfaff and Viking brand and industrial machines. Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat 9:30 AM - 5:30 PM, Tues & Thurs 9:30 AM - 7:00 PM. Repair all sewing machines handled on-site.
CITY:Crest Hill
Bring the family to Merichka's Restaurant in Crest Hill, and try a signature menu item that area residents have loved for many years – the famous Poorboy steak sandwich, smothered in garlic butter on French bread. Stories abound of fans who move away, and upon returning to the area for a visit, head straight to Merichka's for a poorboy! Owned and operated by the Zdralevich family since 1933, the restaurant continues to serve its customers on traditional red-and-white-checked tablecloths in a casual setting. The affordable menu offers tasty onion rings and fried mushrooms, jumbo hamburgers, veggie burgers, steaks, chops and surf-and turf; fried chicken, crabmeat-stuffed shrimp, Canadian walleye pike, Atlantic wild salmon and much more. Top off your meal with a bottle of domestic or imported beer, wine by the glass, a soft drink, coffee or tea – and save room for one of Merichka's tasty desserts.
CITY:Crest Hill
Come to DNA Athletics to get outfitted in comfortable, durable shoes and accessories so you can focus on your fitness, not your gear. Whether you're a casual sportsman or a serious athlete, our knowledgeable staff will help you find just the item you're looking for. Drop by our store to try on our clothing or test our shoes on our in-store treadmill. If you lead an active lifestyle, you depend on your shoes and gear to perform under pressure. Our shoes, clothing and accessories are top of the line – made to last by the world's leading manufacturers.
CITY:Crest Hill
This family entertainment center features two miniature golf courses, a large game room, a restaurant and Fangalangus Island, a children's interactive playland.
The Holiday Inn Express, Crestwood, is conveniently located just south of Interstate 294 and surrounded by a variety of restaurants & shopping. We are located only a few miles from Midway Airport & close to downtown Chicago.
The Windy City ThunderBolts baseball brings affordable family entertainment all summer long at Standard Bank Stadium. 2007 & 2008 Frontier League Champions! Call to reserve groups or parties today!
Hollywood Park Family Fun Center
Hollywood Speedway go-kart track, arcade games, indoor bumper cars, indoor laser maze, rock wall, Hollywood Memorabilia and Cafe-Pizzeria. Hollywood Fun Park specializes in parties and group outings and is open year round.
The Windy City ThunderBolts baseball brings affordable family entertainment all summer long at Standard Bank Stadium. 2007 & 2008 Frontier League Champions! Call to reserve groups or parties today!
Carmelite Campus National Shrine of St. Therese
The National Shrine of St. Therese is a Roman Catholic shrine, chapel, and museum dedicated to St. Therese of Lisieux. The Shrine is home to the most wonderful collection of relics, personal effects and memorabilia of Therese outside of France. The Shrine chapel celebrates Mass every weekday at 11:30 am. Tours are available for groups of 20 or more, including a private tour of an exact replica of St. Therese's monastery cell in France. The shrine sits peacefully on a 50-acre estate owned and operated by the Carmelites of the Most Pure Heart of Mary. Adjacent to the Shrine is the Carmelite Spiritual Center, offering meeting room rental, lodging, meals and spiritual retreats as well as organized Shrine tours.
Whether it be for your wedding reception, a round of golf, fine dining, quick lunch or Sunday brunch, Carriage Greens Country Club is one of the finest entertainment and banquet facilities in the Chicago area. Boasting an ever expanding wine list, paired with any of the delicious menu items, and great service makes The Sandtrap Grill a unique dinning experience in Darien, Westmont, Lemont and the surrounding western suburbs.
120-rooms. Complimentary Continental Breakfast. Complimentary hi speed wired or wireless internet access. Newly renovated rooms, Coffee maker, iron/ironing board, dataports, hair dryer. Complimentary shuttle.
CITY:Downers Grove
DoubleTree Suites by Hilton Downers Grove
IACC Approved state-of-the-art conference center offering over 30,000 square feet of conference and hotel space to accommodate groups up to 600 people. Located adjacent to the hotel is Esplanade Lakes by DoubleTree, our exclusive banquet facility.
CITY:Downers Grove
Holiday Inn Express Chicago-Downers Grove Oak Brook
With 121 sleeping rooms and meeting space available, this hotel is conveniently located at Butterfield & Finley Roads. Enjoy access to local health club, continental breakfast, local shuttle, and more.
CITY:Downers Grove
Distinctive boutique-like setting with 254 suites, each featuring two unique living areas. With over 3,300 square feet of meeting space and a convenient location at I-88 and I-355, this hotel offers the perfect setting for both business and pleasure.
CITY:Downers Grove
This is a newly renovated location with all new rooms, contemporary furniture, new bathrooms with granite countertops, a comfortable easy chair and more.
CITY:Downers Grove
DuPage County, Chicago's Western Suburbs - Current movies at bargain prices in a beautifully restored French Renaissance 1920s movie theater. Over 1,000 seats with 4K Digital Projection and Sound with Digital 3-D, Wurlitzer pipe organ player Friday, Saturday nights and special events. Theatre is available for meetings with DVD, power point, wi-fi capabilities.
CITY:Downers Grove
Allie's American Grille & Lounge (Marriott Suites)
American cuisine. Casual dress code. Serving breakfast, lunch & dinner. Average cost per meal: $12-15. Lobby lounge serves dinner and is open daily until 11pm.
CITY:Downers Grove
Ashyana Banquets is the premier venue for groups of 50 to 1,000 people and also features a private dining restaurant. Easy access from major highways and airports. Conveniently located close to shopping and attractions.
CITY:Downers Grove
DuPage County, Chicago's Western Suburbs - One of the Chicago area's most celebrated culinary entities offering both casual dining in the lounge and unique dining in the Italian Garden. On-site banquet facilities accommodate 15-300 guests.
CITY:Downers Grove
Esplanade Restaurant & Lounge, Doubletree Suites
Casual dress code. Serving breakfast, lunch & dinner. Average cost per meal: breakfast under $10, lunch/dinner $10-20.
CITY:Downers Grove
Experience the unique culture and taste of Southern Brazil at Chama Gaúcha, where servers will tempt you with skewers of succulent seasoned meats, slow roasted over a charcoal fire and hand-carved tableside.
CITY:Downers Grove
Contemporary, upscale dining, using only the freshest fish and seasonal ingredients available, served by our professional staff. Private banquet rooms for up to 100, for any occasion.
CITY:Downers Grove
Barbakoa is a fun, eclectic restaurant serving delicious Latin cuisine infused with passion, love and an unrivaled quality of service. This modern Latin bistro brings casual fine dining with an urban vibe to the Western suburbs. The restaurant is a lively and upbeat, featuring modern interpretations of Latin cuisine with roots in Central and South America, the Spanish Caribbean, and enriched by European influences.
CITY:Downers Grove
Emmett's Brewing Company - Downers Grove
Emmett's uses only traditional ingredients - water, malt, hops and yeast. When you try a German Pilsener or an English Pale Ale at Emmett's, your pint will be as close to the original as you can get (without actually getting on a plane and flying across the pond). Brewery tours are available.
CITY:Downers Grove
Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery
This cemetery was named after the 16th president of the United States, and was designed to serve approximately one million Chicago metropolitan area veterans. Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery has a memorial walk that commemorates soldiers of 20th century wars on 15 memorials.
Small campground located in a country setting near Chicagoland Speedway, Historic Route 66 and a 25 mile hiking/bike trail. Business hours are 8:00am - 1:00pm.
For your shopping needs, including stores such as Carson Pirie Scott and Circuit City.
CITY:Evergreen Park
Evergreen Park Farmers' Market
The Village of Evergreen Park Farmers Market is in full swing now until October. It's the Season of Evergreen Park Farmers' Market, 25 Vendors, every Thursday, May 12 - October 27. Bright blooming flowers lined the entrance of the parking lot. The village's warm welcome to summertime! Th 7AM-1PM.
CITY:Evergreen Park
The Flossmoor Sculpture Gardens is an outdoor arts program that places sculptures in the village square, along charming residental streets and in the Flossmoor Sculpture and Garden Park.
Upscale but casual restaurant with an interesting blend of Creole, Jamaican, Italian and gourmet cuisine. Topped off with live Jazz every Thursday at 7pm.
Flossmoor Station Restaurant & Brewery
Produced entirely on-site, Flossmoor Station Brewing Company's beers are handcrafted from the finest ingredients available, brewed in small batches with close attention to detail, and transferred to storage tanks in Flossmoor Station's beer cellar until its flavor is at its peak. Eight different beers round out the selection of "The Great Eight House Beers" which are offered on a regular basis at Flossmoor Station. In addition, beer enthusiasts look forward to the "Brewmaster's Specials" which are offered in limited batches, including some seasonal favorites. Many of the brewery's awards have gone to these more unique concoctions that have stood up to the best beers in the world at international competitions.
Fresh Starts Restaurant, Catering & Wine Shop
Our small, intimate restaurant seats up to 60 people for gourmet lunch, or an exquisite dinner. We have a full-service, off-premise catering service featuring enticing, unusual foods and skilled, professional staff. Fresh Starts has garnered award after award for its fabulous recipes prepared with skill and creativity. Savor a meal at Fresh Starts and you'll understand why we draw diners from the entire region.
Owned and operated by the Homewood-Flossmoor Park District, Coyote Run Golf Course is a public 18 hole, par 71 course; it measures 6,478 yards that test the skill level of all golfers. Located 40 minutes from downtown Chicago, Coyote Run has three tee boxes on each hole with bent-grass fairways, tees and greens. Featuring different looks from all tees, water hazards come into play on 11 of Coyote Run's 18 holes.
This neighborhood lesbian bar, with a relaxing North Woods tavern vibe, is a great place to catch the latest game, play pool or enjoy the outdoor beer garden. The grill menu includes the popular Large Marge Volcano Burger, oozing with cheese.
CITY:Forest View
Alsip Home & Nursery Super Store
Ranked among the nations top 100 garden centers by Nursery Retailer Magazine. Top quality nursery plants, garden supplies, Home décor, patio furniture, pool & spa accessories, garden décor, ponds, silk floral, seasonal holiday, and pets & supplies.
KidsWork Children's Museum is a cultural institution that brings children, families and the community together to engage in fun, hands-on interactive play.
Lincoln-Way North Performing Arts Center
Now in its 35th season, the Illinois Philharmonic Orchestra (IPO) is the largest performing arts organization in Chicago's Southland - providing professional orchestral music of beauty and excellence to the region. The IPO's repertoire ranges from Baroque and Classical masterpieces, to world premieres and modern favorites.
The Pickwick Society Tea Room, Gifts & Antiques
Loosely based on Louisa May Alcott's novel, Little Women, with menu items named for characters. Specialties include homemade bakery items, adult tea parties and showers. Check website for special events.
Toys, Treats, Accessories, Natural Foods, Holistic Supplements. They carry everything you need for a healthy happy dog and/or cat.
KidsWork is an interactive educational experience for ages 0-8. Two floors of exhibits including a theater, art room, tot spot, pet vet, dino dig and more! Visit the KidsWork website for events, programming and new exhibits!
Frankfort Historic Business Association
Whatever the season, there's a reason to shop historic Frankfort. Visit our web site for a list of our charming stores, eclectic boutiques and relaxing restaurants, plus monthly special events.
White Street Cafe is a family owned business located in charming Frankfort, IL. We offer delicious food that features high quality ingredients and reasonable prices.
Frankfort Area Historical Society
Small museum with unique display areas and photographs of Frankfort memorabilia.
Committed to producing the finest small batch hand crafted spirits in the Midwest, using premium locally sourced ingredients, tried and true processes, superior equipment, and the collective knowledge and skill of dedicated entrepreneurs.
Open year round, SPG Green Garden Country Club is located in Frankfort Illinois, just a 45-minute drive southwest from downtown Chicago. Our proximity to the Greater Chicagoland area makes SPG Green Garden Country Club ideal for both general play and outings of all kinds. The attraction of rolling terrain, a tranquil setting, and clean country fresh air will make your next round of golf with us a most pleasurable experience.
College of DuPage McAninch Arts Center
The McAninch Arts Center is home to five resident professional ensembles: Buffalo Theatre Ensemble, DuPage Opera Theatre, Arts Center Jazz Ensemble, New Classic Singers and New Philharmonic.
CITY:Glen Ellyn
McAninch Arts Center at College of DuPage
DuPage County, Chicago's Western Suburbs - College of DuPage's McAninch Center is home to several resident professional ensembles, student productions and world-class touring attractions plus the Gahlberg Gallery for visual arts.
CITY:Glen Ellyn
DuPage's premier wildlife rehabilitation and educational facility. Over 90 species of injured native wild animals are on exhibit. Open daily. Donations encouraged.
CITY:Glen Ellyn
Crowne Plaza Lombard Downers Grove
Our Crowne Plaza brand promise: "A better meetings experience for meeting planners and a better night sleep for meeting attendees & all guests," coupled with the Crowne Plaza Sleep Advantage program, will ensure your stay is unforgettable.
CITY:Glen Ellyn


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"a good friend is a connection to life- a tie to the past,a road to the future,the key to sanity in a totally insane world"
"The secret of health for both mind and body is not to mourn for the past, worry about the future, or anticipate troubles, but to live in the present moment wisely and earnestly."
"Man... cannot learn to forget, but hangs on the past: however far or fast he runs, that chain runs with him."
"It's not what's happening to you now or what has happened in your past that determines who you become. Rather, it's your decisions about what to focus on, what things mean to you, and what you're going to do about them that will determine your ultimate destiny."
"The past is behind, learn from it.
The future is ahead, prepare for it.
The present is here, live it."
"All the king's horses and all the king's men can't put the past together again. So let's remember: Don't try to saw sawdust."


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Antique Prisoner of War Carved Articulated Crocodile Toy Boer War Circa 1900
Antique Prisoner of War Carved Articulated Crocodile Toy Boer War Circa 1900
Recently we were fortunate to purchase some very unusual antiques from a large English country house. This was just one of those rare and unusual items that is full of history. It was found in a small 1920's photographic supplies box with the other Snake (sold separately), the box marked "made during the Boer War by prisoners".
This 13.25" (34 cm) long crocodile was hand carved by a South African soldier who was captured by the British during the Boer War (Afrikaans: Freedom War), he could have even been a civilian that was interned by the British. The second Boer War of 1899-1902 aimed to convert Boer republics in to British colonies. Throughout this lengthy process many thousands of Boer prisoners were transported to POW camps in Bermuda, Ceylon and India. Whilst prisoner they whiled away their time creating hand crafted items (similar to the French prisoners during the Napoleonic wars). The standard of articles that were produced was so high that it soon turned into a commercial type pastime that allowed the prisoners to supplement their poor conditions with a little earned money.
This carved Croc is beautifully crafted; having 14 articulated ball joint parts inter connected via cord. The carved skin is very intricate and lifelike and his face is absolutely stunning. The large white teeth, red wooden tongue and beautiful glass eyes all add to the charm and appeal of this creature. He stands proud on four feet that are detailed even on their underside!! Because of his many swivel parts he can be so realistically displayed in many different poses.
Condition is excellent and original, we have not waxed this exotic wood. There are some age related natural markings to this wood that all add to the crocodile like skin surface. There is one white wooden tooth missing where this boy has bitten off more than he can chew!! This is certainly not detrimental.
If you love wood carvings or military history this is a fine addition to your collection. We 100% guarantee that you will adore him.
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Tempting you with Antique European needlework, costume, engravings, paintings and porcelain. Welcome
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To develop and implement programs to assist the lodges in becoming more visible and active in the communities and to promote Friendship, Morality and Brotherly Love throughout the state. To facilitate the charitable outreach of the Grand Lodge of Virginia. To promote Honor, Integrity and Truth to all men.
Youth Foundation, Blood/Organ Donors, Foundation for Children, Masonic Education, Library & Museum, Freemason Magazine, Masonic Videos, Circulating Library, Masonic Villages & Academy.
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Donner Pass
Release Date: January 1st, 2012
R|1 hr. 30 min.
Plot Summary
At a remote mountain cabin, seven teenagers find that a gruesome legend may be true when one of their number is found half-eaten.
Cast: Desiree Hall, Erik Stocklin, John Kassir, Eric Pierpoint, Colley Bailey, Adelaide Kane, Russ Russo, Kevin P. Kearns
Director: Elise Robertson