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Skip to comments.Pure Vanity: Why Things Have Changed With Blacks and Obama After Tonight
Posted on 10/27/2012 10:01:48 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
I just had to come on to FR tonight and post an experience I had this evening in downtown Dallas.
There was a celebration going on with a brand new 5.5 acre park that opened today downtown and there were live bands and fireworks and families and food and drinks...a really nice cold Fall night in Dallas. I would say there was easily 35,000 if not more in attendance.
So what makes tonight so different? Well...it was the communication between black and white families that was taking place. I would hear random conversations coming and going through the night amongst the crowd and we would engage in some of them and here was the fascinating thing that I discovered...blacks have had it with Obama.
I am not talking about what the MSNBC crowd would call "Uncle Tom/Sell Out Blacks" either. I am talking the straight up $10 to $12 an hour wage earners who are not making it at all.
One by one by one by one they either said they were not going to vote because Texas is going Romney anyway and that their families in Arkansas and Louisiana felt the same way. They are not only fiscally worse since Obama took office but they felt that Obama did NOTHING to improve the image of blacks in general.
Read that again.
They felt that Obama did NOTHING to improve the image of blacks in general.
That is pretty powerful stuff.
A large number of really good and hard working folks who were extremely offended by Obama embracing gay marriage, pissing on the military (so many folks have kids in the Army, Navy, and Air Force), and that when he got to the White House he didn't come visit inner cities, that he appointed people who didn't have anything in common with where he claimed he was coming from back in 2008.
My fellow Freepers, I wish you could have seen and heard what I heard tonight with my friends and family. They are staying home. They are not voting period. They were honest that they didn't believe in Romney and said if he does prove that he can turn the economy and jobs situation around and restores our foundation in God back to this country then they will reconsider in 4 years...but as of this year? Barack ain't got their vote and he does not have the vote of their families either.
Common words heard tonight were "He don't care", "He's OK but he ain't gettin' it done", "I am working harder than I ever have and never get to go out and do anything."
The saddest thing was a family of 10..10! Mom and Dad married for 25 years they voted for Reagan, Clinton twice, Gore, Bush, and Obama. They said they have 3 kids who have moved back home now and 2 are getting divorced and they have 2 kids each and that if you asked them 5 years ago if their family and lives would be this destroyed they would never have believed it.
The grandfather/Dad said to me that he owns a lawn/landscaping business and how many people he has had to lay off because people are doing their own lawns more and more now and landscaping is becoming a luxury item even for commercial accounts.
At the end of the day he said everything comes down to the security of having a job and a pay check and his faith and his rights protected and that voting for Obama was a "gesture vote" last time and he won't do it again.
I am just dying to know how many families these stories are being played out in across the nation tonight.
I can say with confidence that Barack Obama is going to lose at least 20 to 25% of the black vote he had last time which can do nothing but put the finishing touches on his epic collapse to come.
I hope you are correct.
I hope that you're right. And the TX economy is not that bad, so I can olly imagine how folks in some other states may feel.
I had a similar experience on a very small scale. I was out of town on business, and sat down with some people at the reception that was discussing politics.
A black lady about 70 or 75 years old was talking about Obama. She was saying well ok so he got to be elected, and I guess that nice for him, but these people are not entitled. They are not. She repeated this several times.
Then she looked at me and said, "you know what I mean-you grew up knowing you had to work, and that you are not entitled." She wasn't happy about the Romney 57% either.
It sounded like she planned to stay home.
Take this to the bank: blacks will vote well over 90% for Obama.
voting for Obama was a "gesture vote" last time and he won't do it again.
I suspect he is not alone.
Very encouraging experience you had!
Could have a real impact in Virginia. Maryland? New Jersey?
Here in Pennsylvania it could depress turnout in Philadelphia.
African-American jobless rate surges
By Emily Jane Fox @CNNMoney July 6, 2012
The unemployment rate for blacks rose to 14.4% from 13.6% in May, the Labor Department reported Friday. That's a sharp contrast to the white unemployment rate, which stayed put at 7.4%, and the Hispanic rate, which held at 11%.
You missed the point.
Black turnout will be lower this time around.
The percentage of blacks voting for the Marxist is NOT the point.
That is what I am hoping for. It is about time for them to wake up. Thank you for this GREAT uplifting report.
Sleep with one eye open? There is an OLD phrase...
In the land of the Blind the One Eyed is King
With all due respect, dear FReeper, I'd like to believe you're right but I just can't.
Blacks will come out in mobs for Obunghole because he's black.
I would like to see the black democrat vote drop to 60 or even 70%, because frankly, to know that they all vote exactly the same at 96%, creates a creepy feeling in non-blacks, it makes blacks seem remote, separate, unreachable, rigid in a racial way.
Just knowing that 30% of blacks vote non-democrat would change that completely, it would mean that you could not look at people in public and predict how they vote, that you couldn't already know their politics without ever even speaking to them.
I would like to see the black democrat vote drop to 60 or even 70%, because frankly, to know that they all vote exactly the same at 96%, creates a creepy feeling in non-blacks, it makes blacks seem remote, separate, unreachable, rigid in a racial way.
Just knowing that 30% of blacks vote non-democrat would change that completely, it would mean that you could not look at people in public and predict how they vote, that you couldn't already know their politics without ever even speaking to them.
MANY thanks for posting this, for a number of reasons.
The first of which is, it's uplifting.
I used to think I was bigoted against blacks.
But, I discovered I'm bigoted against "entitlement minded" blacks;
I discovered I'm bigoted against "entitlement minded" whites;
I discovered I'm bigoted against "entitlement minded" people.
(I really just don't like leftists, socialists, communists or lazy bastards.)
THINK SQUAD: Chicago blacks say Democrats are clueless about how mad theyve made black folk...."
But.. What percentage of blacks will vote? THAT is the question! This article is about apathy.
I think so too...also think the turnout from college kids is going to be much lower. I base that on conversations with nieces, nephews, friends who have college kids...the kids aren't feeling it this time. It's not the "cool thing" to be an Obama voter.
Well, maybe they should quit thinking about how things help "blacks" and worry more about what the commie in chief is doing to Americans.
I think so too...also think the turnout from college kids is going to be much lower. I base that on conversations with nieces, nephews, friends who have college kids...the kids aren't feeling it this time. It's not the "cool thing" to be an Obama voter.
We will have to agree to disagree. I expect the black vote to be close to 08. As a matter of fact it's being reported that blacks are voting in very large numbers in Florida this weekend. I expect Mitt to win, but not because black folks are sitting at home by the millions. Not going to happen.
I'm guessing just about the same number of blacks are going to come out in 12 for Obama as they did in 08. I don't see any great movment away from Obama by black voters.
Maybe more black and less Commie would have helped the one.
I blame his white half.
And uplifting it was.
I find this entirely plausible. People have a sense of their own importance. Ohio, Iowa, everywhere, people want to believe that they count. And in the case of this Marxist mulatto, blacks everywhere are likely to lay their claim to having 'made' him by now withholding their support and taking him down.
I feel sorry for those who are suffering but they have to man up and admit their mistakes. Obama represented what they wanted and believed in, bigger government, now they will have to admit that it does not work or they will just repeat it with another demagogue.
90% of THOSE WHO VOTE. The totals may not be that high.
If black voter turnout is suppressed, it bodes well for Romney. 90% of less is less.
I'm white and my bro-in-law is black. He is a great guy and someone I can trust my sister (and nephew) with totally.
He voted Obama last time. I understand why he did so. I'm not going to demean him for it, even though we all knew what Obama meant. He is not voting for him this time. I think Obama lost about a 1/4 of black votes to Romney and 1/4 of black turn out.
I have a black (she is African) woman who is observing my class as she trains to become a teacher. She asked me if I was voting Obama. I said "No way." She said, "Why? Obama will help you as a teacher." I said "I have 2 or 3 skill sets that would make me twice what I make now. All I want is for Obama not to tell me what to teach, like he is trying to do with Common Core and Race to the Top." She said, "So you like Romney?" I said "No, he's pretty mediocre, but I'll vote for him to slow the use of money that should be going into my family's mouth that's being used for other purposes. It's not all 'free money'." She took a pause.
I drive around Chicago all the time for work. It is very odd. There are no obama signs, I mean none. I know they think they have no reason to be concerned in IL, but usually they put them up anyway. I think the turnout may be very, very, low. It would not surprise me if they are caught sleeping in IL.
Thanks for posting your experience.
I prepare taxes and as part of that we have to ask if people want to allocate $3 to the pres. election fund. I thought with Obama many black people would say Yes! but that was wrong. Most people still say No. Most say no, what have they done for me, some say Hell NO! some do say OK, but nobody, black or white or spanish or anything else says YES!
I'm sure Obama will do as well as most Dems do with Black voters, but I don't think he'll get the super, super majority he got last time.
(He also may be well screwed with the Jews, I hope he is, he deserves to be.)
But to me the unique failure of Obama, in terms of the black americans has been how he did NOTHING, NOTHING! to at least try and use the bully pulpit to pull the black family off the edge of the abyss.
All Obama ever does with black americans is try to appeal to the lowest element, the whole: trayvon looks like my son stuff. Yet he has never encouraged black men to be like him, to marry their women and be faithful to them, to be good at home fathers to their children.
There are so, so, so many problems in the black community and Obama has made it pretty clear that he couldn't care less about them.
This post might be a little garbled, but I hope I got my points across.
I sure hope the college age kids aren't going to vote in the numbers similar to '08. He's given them no reason to vote for him, and you're right, he's not cool and it's not cool to vote for a complete failure.
They were all in for Obama in 2008.
"I am hearing that in Southern California, too"
L.A. blacks IMHO will vote for Odumbo but begrudgingly. Oh, how many times I've been on La Brea and Highland and overhear the bruthas' bitching about the "they ain't give him some time, man!". Good thing I have a meeting with development people at "one of the big studios" on November 7 just to see them cry and look miserable.
at the food court at the mall several tables of women were eatin and this lady in the center said....I actually believed Obama was finally gonna get me my 40 acres and a mule......he did too.
then I found out he wanted me to PAY for it.....RETAIL
BS on that and what I want a mule for anyway
the whole gaggle exploded laughin out loud
Maybe 90% of yhe blacks that come out to vote.. But the point is he will not get the huge turnout he did in 2008.
I don't want them to cry. They've been manipulated by the Dems for too long. We need to get them out of government dependency but that means we'll actually have to talk to them instead of ignoring them.
Roffle = ROTFL.
Yer kiddin me, right?
Your post is fine. I agree with what you said.
I typed it as if I had a tape recorder on
I come from a very large family of black Democrats. What you saw and heard tonight from black people you talked to, has been going on with my family for the last two years.
Me being the sole conservative Republican in the clan, they won't come right out and tell me how disillusioned they are with Obama, but the last time I was back home in California, all traces of their love affair with The One had vanished.
When the subject of politics inevitably came up, they all sat and quietly listened to me expound upon my conservative views, without interruption. In times past, they would have all ganged up on me, and shouted me down, but something had dramatically changed with them.
To be honest, it was actually unnerving. I've never seen them this way before.
I have a few extended family members who are degenerate liberals and have decided to sit this one out. I suspect that's how most of them are. They know Zero is crap, they can't bring themselves to vote for Romney, so they'll either vote for Ralph Nader or stay home.
LOL. Well, your tape recorder is a hoot! Leave it on "record"!
My niece's husband is black. They voted Obama in '08. Not this year. They're angry about his immigration policies that will wind up with illegals taking jobs from (black) Americans. There was one other strong reason, but I can't recall it now (gay marriage, IIRC). Anyhow, they'll be voting Romney.
Where I live people are defacing cars parked near Romney signs.
Yep..I don't think it's going to happen for the kids this time. They don't seem to be feeling it. I think that's why we saw the "sexy Obama political ad" come out...they know the college kids aren't feeling it this time.
Also, those college kids aren't all dummies. They are seeing mom and dad struggling. Some of them may become Republicans at 30 instead of 40 :)
Try not to think of black voters as such a monolithic generality. Believe it or not, there are great differences in the opinions and personal considerations of blacks, just as there are among any other group of Americans.
The anecdotal stories you're reading about some blacks' disappointments with Obama, are real, and should not be discounted. The truth is, that sentiment is widespread, and not confined to blacks who are unemployed, or who don't think Obama's done enough to rip off Whitey.
My siblings are all professional people with careers, homes, 401Ks, investment portfolios, college kids, grandkids, etc. They're also black Democrats who voted for Obama in 2008, and every one of them quit singing Obama's praises two years ago. Even during this hotly contested election, they haven't uttered a single word about him.
I half expect most of them to stay home on election day. Of those blacks who do get to the polls, perhaps 9 in 10 will vote for Obama, but their numbers will be greatly decreased from the turnout of four years ago.
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U.S.S. Alabama VS Italian Battelship Roma, Littorio class BB
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Автор TheAmerican Admiral ( назад)
whats the name of this game????
Автор jeff rice ( назад)
I don't care how detailed U make Alabama r how crude U make the Littorio's
I'm having trouble finding alabama listed n the top ten fighting ships? N I
don't care about poor italian gunnery, that's 2 many guns against 1 ship.
Автор Nathan Durrence ( назад)
Looks more like an Alsace class but the triple 15 inch guns instead of the
quad 15 in guns
Автор Aleo Fale ( назад)
actually i don't like the game
try battlestation's pacific or battlestation's midway is much more better
that game is like you're wasting memory of you're computer or laptop..
Автор 311nonono ( назад)
Iowa's 18 inch armor of turrets and tower was homogeneous armor which is
MUCH WEAKER than face hardened cemented armor. Littorio's Terni cemented
armor was the BEST armor of WWII. Littorio's guns had 4 miles MORE RANGE
than Iowa and more range than Yamato. And also with MORE PENETRATION than
both Iowa and Yamato (Yamato above 25k yards). Will penetrate Iowa's belt
to vitals out to 28k yards. Iowa to Littorio 14k yards. It armor belt was
only rivaled was Yamato's. Also had 32k yard radar by 42'.
Автор Nick 0utd00rs ( назад)
Iowa would smoke'em 18 inch armor best radar by wars end 16 inch guns
almost as good as 18 inch Japanese shells from Yamamoto wich iowa.Roma only
had 15 inch guns and 14 inch armor and probly also lose to biskmark
Автор Cw Tbird ( назад)
I have decided you are gay
Автор 311nonono ( назад)
Now we would not like it if someone took a comment, like the one you just
made, and substituted the USS Arizona instead of the Roma. You are the UGLY
American. You embarrass me, and most Americans who feel that objectivity is
of some importance.
Автор 311nonono ( назад)
To be clear, the reference in the prior comment was to IOWA's turret faces.
Автор 311nonono ( назад)
Ridiculous that you would want to compare the Savannah to the Roma. Compare
it to the Italian Zara cruiser class and you will find that the Savannah
would look like an embarrassment to the US Navy. And let's not even talk
about comparing Terni armor to US grade A armor with it severe spalding
effects, so serious that they used weaker homogenous armor on the turret
faces instead Grade A armor.
Автор 311nonono ( назад)
And do not forget the Roma and one of her sister ship Littorio were both
hit by Fritz-x previous to to the Roma being hit with a second Fritz-x that
set off the magazine. Both ships after being hit by the first Fritz-x where
under steam taking evasive maneuvers. The Littorio continued on to Malta
under her own power. It was thanks to excellent hull integrity mainly due
to it's Terni armor that the Roma stayed afloat for over six minutes. You
do know that it's Terni armor was the best of WWII ?
Автор 311nonono ( назад)
You do not realize that by you constant reference to this item you show
your total ignorance in this subject matter. I will put this in a way you
can maybe understand. The Savannah is like a wooden boat compared to the
Roma. In addition if the Iowa, or any other battleship with "maybe" the
exception of Yamato, was hit in the same location they would have suffered
the same fate. The difference is they would have sunk in a minute or less
and not stay afloat for over six minutes as the Roma did.
Автор 311nonono ( назад)
I had a long conversation, 8 months ago, with woofdogmeow on youtube video
"Clash RN Littorio vs USS Iowa", you may find it interesting. The ship he
is talking about is the USS Savannah, it did NOT get hit in the magazine,
but the turret powder handling room a big, huge difference. What people
don't understand is that the Roma stayed afloat for more than six minutes
after a magazine explosion. That is an unmatched record when most ship
succumbed in less than a minute if not seconds.
Автор tchirn ( назад)
To Woofdog pussy--- Would you be so kind as to name the American light
crruiser which had a bomb explode in its magazine and "lived and fought
through the war" as you so emphatically state? If it did it would have had
to have had an empty magazine but even with that, I don't think so. Now if
only the Hood, Prince of Wales, Repulse, Arizona and others had had the
structural integrity of your mystery ship which for some strange reason you
do not name, maybe its because there is no no name
Автор tchirn ( назад)
To--- Woofdogpussy Would you be so kind as to name the American light
cruiser which had a bomb explode in its magazine and "lived and fought
through the war as you so emphatically state"? If it did it would have had
to have had an empty magazine but even with that, I don't think so. Now if
only the Hood, the Prince of Wales , Repulse, the Arizona and others had
had the structural integrity of your mystery ship which for some stange
reason you don't name, maybe its because there is no name.
Автор tchirn ( назад)
They "ran" because they had no AIR COVER and the British were accompanied
by aircraft carriers which carry airplanes, do you capisci? The Brits
should have destroyed more as I believe a plane can catch a ship but they
did not, I guess just being kind. There were times when the Brits broke off
the engagement and "ran" but you won't see that in the old Victory at Sea
series or any of those post WW2 b/s.There are many books by by non Italian
authors which dispel the WW2 propaganda. Read them
Автор 311nonono ( назад)
@woofdogmeow Be specific ! What specifically is the bilge ? And who is this
directed too ?
Автор prowler878 ( назад)
@311nonono One more thing: Littorio's main belt wasnt 13.8" Terni, it's
11.02", an inch less than Iowa's 12.1" Class A armor. If you will insist on
the 13.8", you should have at least mentioned the additional 2.76" PO
plate, which is very much different from face-hardened Terni armor. It
would then be unjust not to add Iowa's 1.5" STS plate to 12.1" Class A
plate, for a total of 13.6" for Iowa.
Автор prowler878 ( назад)
And what's with that huge miscalculation about an 8,000-yard difference
bet. Iowa and Littorio? Even with weaker Mark 1-5 shells, it's up to 4000
yards only - and that's just the South Dakota. Besides, that's the vertical
armor you wrote. US guns are meant to hit horizontal/deck armors, as
Pacific warfare dictates. SoDak's decks are immune against Littorio up to
8000 yards more than vice versa, the Iowas moreso, at whch point US shells
penetrate twice the deck armor than Italians can.
Автор prowler878 ( назад)
@311nonono 31kn was Iowa's average speed, 35kn max. Same with Iowa, both
Littorio (31.3kn) and Vittorio Veneto (31.4kn) achieved their max speeds
during trials only with lighter loads, but their average speed's at 28kn
only. That's not even counting reliability problem - this one from
Navweaps. Same as with what led to Littorio's ammunition accuracy problem,
the contractors were paid premiums for every knot above contract speed-
limits could've been forced at the expense of standards
Автор 311nonono ( назад)
@HAL9000Intelligence The only battleship that was talked about as achieving
35 knots was the Iowa. BUT.... Iowa could not have got near 35kn was unless
in stripped down weight with the engines running 20% past their rated
redline. In post WWII speed trials the Iowas were never able to exceed
32kn. Littorio maximum speed was 31.5kn. Most ships, including Littorio &
Iowas, were able to run their engines past their redlines when emergencies
warranted possible engine damage or short engine life.
Автор 311nonono ( назад)
When all is taken into account with Littorio's three additional plates
after the main belt. Littorio will penetrates Iowa's belt to vitals, out to
23,000 yards. However Iowa penetrates Littorio's belt to vitals, only out
to 15,000 yards. A huge difference! And the Alabama need to be within
13,000 yards. Fantasy?….that's putting it mildly !
Автор 311nonono ( назад)
Besides the most powerful guns of any battleship before and since. The
Littorio class also had the toughest armor of all. It's Terni armor was 17%
tougher than US armor and 22% tougher than Japanese armor. That means
Littorio's 13.8" belt was more penetration resistant than Yamato's 16.2"
belt and far surpassed Iowa's 12.1 belt in penetration protection.
Автор deino117 ( назад)
@RodentSaurus I guess by definition a "fantasy" doesn't have to be
accurate! Regardless, thanks for the info on the Italian guns. The Italians
got such a bad rap in WWII and it's nice to correct it whenever possible.
Good stuff.
Автор carsmasher ( назад)
@311nonono I have always thought that the Italian BB's were underated. I
read one time that after they were surrended to the allies in 1943 that
consederation was made to use them in the Pacific, but the navy decided
against it becase of lack of spare parts. I also remember some where
reading that in the case of the 16 Mk.6 a gear was made slighty too long in
the analog fire control computers throwing the range off and not discovered
until after the war.
Автор 311nonono ( назад)
@carsmasher But ...AA protection sucked ! (90mm DP AA was very good, not
enough) And with Mussolini refusing to built aircraft carriers. A big
problem for these ships.
Автор 311nonono ( назад)
@carsmasher This ship was overly underestimated by a very long shot ! It
had more hitting power than both Iowa and Yamato and as fast(-1knt) as
Iowa. When you look at the armor penetration tables and consider the
conversion from Italian Terni armor to Japanese armor. The Littorio's 13.8"
armor belt surpassed the Yamato's 16.1" belt in penetration protection, and
far-exceeded Iowa's belt protection. If you stop and think about this, it's
incredible. A light, powerful, fast, well protected ship.
Автор 311nonono ( назад)
@carsmasher Absolutely correct. But they wanted to exceed the power of
larger guns, without the weight penalty. Their solution to wear was to
design guns with, on ship 24hr replacement liners. The British(and others)
after 300+ shots would require the replacement of the entire gun. This
alternative was both very costly and time consuming, the 24hr liners also
avoided with this. The heavier guns, if they went that way, would have also
meant a heavier ship with a large power plant or a slow ship.
Автор carsmasher ( назад)
@311nonono Yes, they were, but at a price. the liners were wore out after
less than 100 rounds. To achieve the ballastics needed a price had to be
Автор giulene ( назад)
@RodentSaurus Yes, on an English techno-scientific site about Navy guns in
II WW, they said that the guns of main battleships of Italian Regia Marina
(381/50) were among most powerful guns in the world and a range exceeded
all others (they shot an 885 kg shell much over 45,000 yards) and even if
not hitting the targets would anyway create trouble for the opponent ships.
Автор 311nonono ( назад)
@RodentSaurus Littorio's guns had the longest range of any gun ever mounted
on a battleship. They had more penetrating power than the Japanese 18"
(except at point blank range). THEREFORE, It be unambiguously and clearly
stated that; The Littorio's guns were the most powerful guns ever put on a
battleship. Period.
Автор 311nonono ( назад)
@RodentSaurus "there is no doubt that the Iowas would have defeated...." I
disagree, I think they were about equal it could go either way. The
Littorio's guns were definitely better. The speed was about the same with
the edge towards Iowa. Littorio had better armor in the more critical
areas. Ha...and food poisoning, well...it can doom a ship!
Автор 311nonono ( назад)
@f3hdemon Sorry to bring you into reality.....but the Alabama would have
been just another Hood. Try the Iowa and with luck it may... maybe(a big
maybe)...work your way.
Автор JuergenGDB ( назад)
@RodentSaurus No worries mate.. sometimes I jump the gun on Nationalism..
LOL Yeah you are right.. when the Iowa class was created.. Nothing could
defend against her. I know there has been lots of debate over this.. but
with her radar, and awesome belt line, etc... she was the best battleship
afloat. cheers!
Автор JuergenGDB ( назад)
@RodentSaurus WTF does being American have to do with anything? Knowing
History... is knowing history regardless of where on planet earth you come
from. For one thing and Im not aiming this at you Rodent... but everyone
should be proud of whatever nation they come from period... American or
Автор hoplite1766 ( назад)
@RodentSaurus That answer also does not tale 'weight of shot' into
consideration, nor the US advantage of superior fire control and radar. The
American range computers and fire control being the best of any navy during
WW2 hands down (No I'm not American)
Автор hoplite1766 ( назад)
@RodentSaurus Unfortunately though they often could only use three of them
at any one time since invariably they were being stern chased back to port
Автор hoplite1766 ( назад)
@RodentSaurus Dude, KnightOfChrist1 is right, I went to navweaps and found
the ballistics info on the Italian Ansalado and OTO produced guns and ammo,
The italians suffered wide and irregular dispersion patterns from
inconsisteency and quality control issues with their 15" ammunition so your
claims are erroneous as I thought.
Автор hoplite1766 ( назад)
@RodentSaurus Right about the armour but italian cemented armour was based
on British principles, the best in the world at thicknesses over 10", the
correct abbreviation for this armour being CA, so the italian armour was
likely of good or better quality. However not all your posts are accurate.
The longest recorded hits on moving ships at sea were the Scharnhorst on
HMS glorious at 26,646 yards and Warspite on Guilio Cesare at 26,000 yards.
So were is your source for the 32,000 yard claim??
Автор hoplite1766 ( назад)
@RodentSaurus Again you don't know what you're talking about. Vittorio
Veneto's shooting at Matapan was poor and unaccurate. Go to navweaps and
look up Nathan Okun's gunnery and ballistics information, the Italian 15"
ammo from Ansalado and OTO suffered from consistency problems throughout
the war..LOOK IT UP.
Автор JuergenGDB ( назад)
@RodentSaurus True.... The British BB's in the Med in the early stages of
the war were Lumbering relics of sorts.... Why Italy did not at least
manuever to engage still boggles my mind, I know fuel was an issue, as well
as the the thought of losing a Capital ship, but look what happened at
Taranto. If I was one of their Admirals, I would say, its better to go down
fighting, then being sunk running away or at Port.
Автор JuergenGDB ( назад)
@RodentSaurus no worries.. Hearts of Iron III, by paradox. Its a WWII
Sim-Strategic game where you can be either Allied or Axis. check out the
site. Its pretty fun... will take up lots of your time... LOL
Автор JuergenGDB ( назад)
Cant they remake this game but better.. Dear god.... its about time a great
Naval battle game came back to the Market.
Автор JuergenGDB ( назад)
@RodentSaurus True I was just reading about this.. Playing HOI3 as the
Italians and thought I would do some research.. LOL WOW.. the Italian guns
designed in I guess 1934 are indeed Kick ass. The Bismarck had slightly
longer barrels, but the penetration, and distance was in the Italian
advantage.. if their data is accurate??? I do agree the Alabama class would
have been man handled, and their crew decimated within the first 4 salvo's.
Автор JuergenGDB ( назад)
@RodentSaurus True the Italian guns were supurb.. and had a tad more range
26mi vs 22miles for Bismarck. However it would be interesting to see them
at ends with each other.... I would still give Bismarck the advantage...
thats just me, but I would have loved to see the Italian ships decimate the
French fleet in the Med. Why the Italians did not ambush with Aerial attack
(great Planes) and then pummel them at range with their Navy will always
boggle my mind. Also their fast attack boats????
Автор Silmacar ( назад)
@wallaka iirc the Regia Marina had no fc computers
Автор ToonandBBfan ( назад)
@RodentSaurus I agree with you. Many people seem to think that the 16inch
gunned American battleships were unbeatable but they werent. The Littrorio
class were tremendous Battlewagons and if properly used would have given
ANY ship a run for its money one on one. Thanks
Автор wallaka ( назад)
@RodentSaurus Interesting. The wiki says that the guns on the
Littorio-class fired at 1.3 rpm, while the Mark VI on the Alabama fired at
2 rpm. Did the Italians have fire control computers?
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You SUCK!
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Автор Fdelphinus ( назад)
As you can probably see, we kept the tradition alive and healthy about
buffoons! That was an off topic but i couldn't resist. hehe.
Автор smsteve888 ( назад)
huh, thats interesting. I'm pretty sure I have the original
Автор 7omnia7 ( назад)
Too bad you don't live next to me: I have a couple of friends that keep
playing it. In the last edition you get to play Italy and the one who plays
the US, controls China wich is a minor power by itself (without factories
Автор smsteve888 ( назад)
yes, Once again the Italians prove to be the Italian's worst enemy.
Honestly, if they just let Rommel do what he wanted, who knows what would
have happened. Maybe Germany would get a good hold on North African fuel
supplies, perhaps not altering the outcome of the war, but causing the
allies thousands of servicemen (especially from the Luftwaffe, who did not
have any fuel left towards the end) plus those lost taking back those
Egyptian oil fields.
Автор smsteve888 ( назад)
I am a fan of it, but I do not have anyone to play it with most of the time
Автор 7omnia7 ( назад)
Btw, you should play the last edition of "Axis and Allies", you'd have fun!
(maybe you're already a fan of that game?)
Автор 7omnia7 ( назад)
Well, about the N. African campaign, Rommel was pissed when he ordered the
bombing of Tobruk (I guess it was Tobruk, not sure) captured by the Brits
before the Germans arrival cause the Italian high officers stopped him
since they had property in the city and didn't want it to be damaged! They
simply had no fucking idea of what war meant to be.
Автор smsteve888 ( назад)
I do agree fully though, the command was the main reason the Italians fared
so poorly
Автор smsteve888 ( назад)
LOL about 2 out of 3 books I own are about WWII. However, singularly,
Italians did very brave things, but were thoroughly unprepared and poorly
equipped with just about everything (especially their tanks) I guess in one
sense, you could say the Italian army was a joke. Y'now, Italy basically
ruined the North Africa campaign for Rommel, by not allowing too many of
their transport ships to cross the Mediterranean to supply him. That's the
real reason Rommel lost in that theater.
Автор smsteve888 ( назад)
However, they went way out of their way to rescue as many as possible. They
were able to establish contact and explain the situation going on. They
stopped the air raids and the British broadcast the locations of the
survivors and allowed an (ITALIAN!) hospital ship to pick up the rest. They
potentially willingly let maybe even a thousand Italian sailors back to
Italy where they would be able to fight again! If that's not chivalrous
what is?
Автор smsteve888 ( назад)
One other thing I think you should consider before calling the British
"cowards." not only are they not (ex. battle of Britain, North Africa,
Arnhem, etc) but they are also very chivalrous. In the very same battle
that you refer to, they were picking up as many Italian survivors as they
could. While they were doing so air raids forced them to stop.
Автор smsteve888 ( назад)
Well I can see that your main beef is with the British. Well, with their
entire country at stake, why would they not use radar controlled guns if it
gives them such an advantage. With the forces their up against, and all
that is at stake for them, I would never think that is at all cowardly.
Автор 7omnia7 ( назад)
You do like WWII History! But your wrong on one point: the Italian army
wasn't "respectable" because it was incredibly unprepared. Mussolini knew
it (that's why Italy officially got itself into the war a year later, after
the Germans had the upper hand in France). The faults: the Italian high
officers who didn't even know what the word war means (Rommel). On the
other hand the Italian soldiers were brave beyond standards. A true waist
of human lives! FUCK nowadays Italian fascists!
Автор smsteve888 ( назад)
I'm sorry, but the total ignorance that you expressed is very frustrating.
That is one of my pet peeves, is people talking about something they don't
know about. I would like to once again make things clear. I am by no means
mocking the poor souls that died in the Italian army, no less any army
ever. Well, for the most part. But when you lie like that I cant stand it.
It is absolutely disgusting your prejudice against non Italian nations.
Автор smsteve888 ( назад)
I would also like to comment on your anti Americanism. Let me make things
clear. I'm not conservative. I'm very liberal and believe strongly in
socialism, and I'm unhappy with our country right now. But my interest in
world war two is a result of looking back on a time when I would have been
proud of my country. the reason we lost in Vietnam is basic. the
unpopularity back home (I cant say I was proud of us then), and poor
tactics on our part.
Автор smsteve888 ( назад)
now a word about the attack on the "Italian boats during the night like the
cowards with the radar." I presume that you are talking about the raid on
Taranto. You are absolutely 100 percent wrong on that one. The fairey
swordfish torpedo bombers were very ancient machines, outclassed in its
time (biplanes, metal frame and fabric etc. I point out that the first
swordfish variant that had radar came out in 1943, a good 2 1/2 years after
the raid. Learn your flippin history!
Автор smsteve888 ( назад)
it was about then that Mussolini invaded Greece (once again, to impress
Hitler through defeating a vastly inferior force). Not only did poorly
equipped Greek soldiers hold the line, but attacked and held southern
Albania. this happened in late 1940 and early the next year, a massive
counterattack failed. guess who bailed out Mussolini? German forces who
were sent to help managed a swift victory. even then, the allies managed to
evacuate 50000 troops.
Автор smsteve888 ( назад)
they worked well enough when the Italian tenth army invaded parts of Egypt,
not encountering organized resistance, but when the British counterattacked
(operation compass), it was a massacre. Crews of tanks attempted to
increase armor protection by putting sandbags on the fronts of their
vehicles, but to no avail. Hundreds of thousands of prisoners were taken by
inferior British forces (36,000 to 200000). Rommel then came in to bail
them out, to simply hold the line.
Автор smsteve888 ( назад)
Mussolini was a buffoon. Pure and simple. The Italian army was respectable,
but preformed terribly in combat. Mussolini, being a toady to Hitler,
wanted to impress him by sending a squadron of Italian heavy bombers to
participate in the battle of Britain. Guess what? All of them were shot
down but a few (2?). Italian tanks were worn out in world war one, and were
called "self propelled coffins" by their own crews.
Автор smsteve888 ( назад)
Congratulations! you have just succeeded in convincing yourself of what you
want to believe! You have some fucking nerve talking about overwhelming
forces! you just finish talking about Britain being "destroyed" and then
talk about them being superior in number. The US when it entered the war,
its army ranked somewhere in the 20 somethings in the size of its army
compared to all developed nations of the world. we faced incredibly
superior forces at the beginning of the war.
Автор hoplite1766 ( назад)
You're an idiot, Britain wasnt' invaded was it. You Italians were useless
in WW2, ask any German. LOLOLOLOL
Автор hoplite1766 ( назад)
They won the battle of Britain didn't they, they fought against you and the
Germans alone for two and a half years. Look fuckwit, the Italians were an
embarrasment to the Germans, you always lost or ran away, or like Abbysinia
were you surrendered in the thousands, Your record in the war is a shame
Автор hoplite1766 ( назад)
You had one adversary in the Med, yes the British, fighting you at your own
back door and kicking your asses, there where no other navies present. Yes
you ran from the fight or at best were defeated repeatedly, without the
Germans Italy was a nobody...Look at your record during the war. How about
Abbysinia were the Italian army surrendered in droves to smaller, sometimes
much smaller British units, at least until the Germans reinforcements
arrived to save you from being totally destroyed.
Автор hoplite1766 ( назад)
This confrontation couldn't happen because the Italians would have run
away, Shit, the British chased them all over the mediterranean using old
WW1 battleships in the italians back yard. Mussolini's 'mare nostrum' was
all talk, the Italian navy was an embarassment.
Автор ToonandBBfan ( назад)
The Italian Littorios were very good battleships and are always
underestimated by people who dont really understand battleships. Littorio
was far better than Bismarck
Автор Hattusilis74 ( назад)
che cazzta di animazione!
Автор pran2006 ( назад)
undi arzer levergutte tenb bitten dregostilberg!
Автор Sartori (1795 лет назад)
Hit harder than the 16" with American super-heavy shells? Are you fucking
Автор Sartori ( назад)
Roma was only armed with 15" guns. Alabama was armed with 16" and had radar
directed fire control.
Автор AmericanThunder ( назад)
Alabama(BB-60) is the last of the South Dakota class battleships, and as
such, has fairly similar armor protection as the more modern and much
larger Iowa class. They have proven to be a very durable class. And of
course, the USS Alabama is still afloat today, as a museum ship.
Автор Logan Seal ( назад)
Need to do some death matches. Show us what a sinking ship is like. Oh and
I concur with RodentSaurus, the Littorio should have won this fight. I
noticed that the secondary guns on the Alabama seemed to fire faster that
the Roma. Wonder if that had anything to do with the outcome?
Автор silvan500 ( назад)
This video is very orrible. Greetings with brunstad org
Автор frarevo ( назад)
This video is a beautiful fantasy: the battleship Roma was heavier than
Alabama and the global armament of Roma was heavier than Alabama.
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what game is this
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Wanted: Ethane Cracker
The natural gas industry will take center stage in Charleston this week for the second annual "Marcellus 2 Manufacturing" conference at the Charleston Civic Center.
Scheduled conference speakers include West Virginia Secretary of Commerce Keith Burdette, American Chemistry Council Chief Executive Officer Cal Dooley, Executive Vice President of the American Petroleum Institute Marty Durbin, as well as numerous natural gas and oil industry leaders including Appalachian Resins Chief Executive Officer James Cutler. The conference is set for Wednesday and Thursday.
Appalachian Resins reportedly is planning a plastics plant/ethane cracker in Marshall County. The project, if constructed, could bring 125 permanent chemical jobs to the area.
Joe Eddy serves as chairman of the West Virginia Manufacturers Association, which is the chief sponsor of the M2M conference.
He also is president and chief executive officer of Eagle Manufacturing in Wellsburg.
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Global oil giant Shell announced plans last year to construct its ethane cracker at a site in Monaca, Pa. The company has yet to acquire the needed land for the facility.
Registration for the Charleston conference begins at 8 a.m. Wednesday and Thursday. The event is free for general attendance. There are more than 400 exhibitors signed up for the gathering.
The liquids-rich natural gas being extracted from the Marcellus and Utica shale formations in northern West Virginia and eastern Ohio makes the Upper Ohio Valley a prime location for an ethane cracker, according to industry officials. In addition to ethane, other natural gas liquids found in the Marcellus and Utica shale include propane, butane and pentane.
All of these elements must be stripped away from the dry methane natural gas at processing plants so the methane can be sold by utility companies. Because there is no ethane cracker in the Utica and Marcellus regions, some companies are now shipping the product for cracking at facilities in Canada or along the Gulf Coast. Others are simply burning it off via flaring.
Eddy said most of what would come out of the ethane cracker would be ethylene, the basis for the plastics industry.
This ethylene would then need to go to another plant that would further process it before this product could go to plastic companies.
This means that new plants and jobs would be created all along the way. He said the process could call for the following:
- Companies such as Chesapeake Energy, Chevron or others would drill for and capture the natural gas and ethane.
- Firms such as Williams Partners, Dominion and MarkWest Energy would separate the natural gas liquids from the methane and fractionate the ethane from the other liquids.
- The ethane would then be sent to a cracker where it would be transformed into ethylene.
- Those same companies that build the cracker – or other firms – could operate the plants to further process the ethylene into polyethylene.
- Companies such as Eddy's Eagle Manufacturing would take the polyethylene and turn it into plastic pipe, plastic containers, toys or other items.
"All of this can happen here if we get this cracker," said Eddy.
If built in Marshall County, the ethane cracker would likely be somewhere along the Ohio River, as the petrochemical plant would then have easy access to the river, the CSX railroad lines and W.Va. 2 – as well as the steady supply of ethane coming from local Marcellus and Utica shale natural gas operations.
"The newfound abundance of natural gas in the Marcellus Shale is reinvigorating manufacturing. Significant progress has been made over the past year, and we now want to take it to the next level," Eddy added.


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The Architrenius made its first appearance in manuscript form c. 1184. It was copied by hand until its first publication in 1517 by the printer Jodocus Badius Ascencius (Paris). Later editions of the Latin text were found in Jacques-Paul Migne's Patrologia Latina (1844-1855) and Thomas Wright's Satirical Poets of the Twelfth Century (London, Rolls Series, No. 59 1872). A critical edition in German was published in 1974 (München, Wilhelm Fink) with a prelude and comments by Paul Gerhard Schmidt.
The apparent first translation into English was the prose translation of Nicholas P. Carlucci, in his 1977 Ph.D. dissertation,[2] under the guidance of John W. Clark. This was based on Wright's edition, several medieval copies, and partly on the Schmidt edition. A more recent Architrenius was translated and edited by Winthrop Wetherbee of Cornell University,[3] based on the Schmidt text, apparently unaware of the Carlucci translation. These two translations helped motivate a lengthy article in German by Bernd Roling.[4]
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According to C.S. Lewis, this poem involves "the story of the 'Arch-mourner', the youthful Architrenius, who, in mere despair at the wickedness within him and about him, sets out to seek his mother Nature and be healed. His journeys lead him through many places, including the university of Paris and the island of Thule, thus offering the author the opportunity for lavish satiric description, before the wanderer finally meets Nature. The account of the university is said to be of great interest to the social historian (see reference to Gibbon below), but... gives us an early example of the allegory in the form of a journey—that is, in its best form."[5] Lewis continues: "A universal longing is expressed and, but for the language, the lines might have been written in any age:
This must I do— go exil'd through the world
And seek for Nature till far hence I find
Her secret dwelling-place; there drag to light
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Quid faciam, novi: profugo Natura per orbem
Est querenda mihi. Veniam quacumque remotos
Abscondat secreta lares, odiique latentes
Eliciam causas et rupti forsan amoris
Restituam nodos.
The story is also summarized by Bartleby's Cambridge History of English and American Literature in 18 Volumes (1907–21). Volume I. From the Beginnings to the Cycles of Romance. Chapter X:
"The pilgrim of that satire pays a visit to Paris, and describes the hardships of the students and the fruitlessness of their studies; he afterwards arrives at the hill of Presumption, which is the haunt of all manner of monks and ecclesiastics, as well as the great scholastic doctors and professors."
Other references to the Architrenius[edit]
Edward Gibbon quotes Architrenius in chapter 22 (Vol I, p. 731 in the Modern Library edition) of his (1776) Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. To a scene in which Julian is declared Emperor of Rome by the Gallic legions, massed around a Parisian palace (which has become a museum in 2005), he adds this footnote: "the palace of the baths (Thermarum), of which a solid and lofty hall still subsists in the rue de la Harpe. The buildings covered a considerable space of the modern quarter of the university; and the gardens, under the Merovingian kings, communicated with the abbey of St. Germain des Prés. By the injuries of time and the Normans this ancient palace was reduced in the twelfth century to a maze of ruins, whose dark recesses were the scene of licentious love.
|Explicat aula sinus montemque amplectitur alis
Multiplici latebra scelerum tersura ruborem.
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and embraces the mountain with its wings.
Apt for wiping away the blush from crimes by means of its many lurking-places...
...ready to hide the shame of oft-perishing modesty
Yet such intrigues (here Gibbon refers to the furtis) might be less pernicious to mankind than the theological disputes of the Sorbonne, which have been since agitated on the same ground.[7]
- ^ Catholic Encyclopaedia: "John of Hauteville". Archived from the original on 26 November 2005. Retrieved 2005-12-07..
- ^ Carlucci, Nicholas Peter (1977). "The Architrenius of Johannes De Hauvilla: a Translation with Introduction and Notes". University of Minnesota.
- ^ Johannes de Hauvilla (1994). Architrenius. Cambridge medieval classics. 3. Winthrop Wetherbee (ed.), Winthrop Wetherbee (trans.). Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0521405432.
- ^ Roling, Bernd (2008). "Das Moderancia-Konzept des Johannes de Hauvilla". Frühmittelalterliche Studien. 37: 167–258. doi:10.1515/9783110179149.167. ISSN 1613-0812.
- ^ Lewis, C.S. (1936). The allegory of love: a study in medieval tradition. Oxford: Clarendon Press. pp. 109–110.
- ^ Carlucci, p. 123-124
- ^ Pierre Nicolas Bonamy, Mém. de l'Académie, tom. xv. p. 678-682
External links[edit]
- Detailed outline of contents in the Latin Vicipaedia
- The Latin Text of Architrenius.


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- ABOUT IMBOLC | RITUAL | FOODS ABOUT IMBOLC Imbolg/Imbolc is pronounced EM-Bowl-ig or ic, it also known as Midwinter, Candlemass, Oimelc, Lupercus, Lupecal, Disting, Brigatia (Brigid's Day), Lady Day and Groundhog Day. Imbolg translates, according to McCoy, to...
Holidays >> Imbolg
- Survivalists' Guide for the New Millennium: Chapter 6
- AS THE WORM TURNS Health and well being are part of the natural birthright of the human being. With all of its organs intact, the right diet, exercise and mental focus, a human body can overcome any disease. Even so, the effects of living in this...
Philosophy >> Survivalists Guide for the New Millennium
- Yule, the Winter Solstice
- ABOUT YULE | RITUAL | FOODS | REFERENCES ABOUT YULE Yule, pronounced "you all", or jol is the Winter Solstice, the shortest day and the longest night of the year. Yule, in Old Norse means, Wheel. As the Wheel of the Year is significant in pagan...
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- Alumina (Aluminum)
- Aluminum is a very light and easy transformable metal, associated with the planet Neptune and the sign Pisces. In astrology Neptune has to do with fading away, dissolving, excarnation, anonymity. This excarnation can work out in a positive way (mysticism,...
Remedies >> Remedies A
- Calcium carbonicum (Oyster Shell)
- This remedy is made of the shell of the oyster. Let's have a look at an oyster: Inside a thick hard calcium-made shell lies a soft and quite formless animal. When the oyster feels at ease it opens its shell and passively lets through the sea water and...
Remedies >> Remedies C
- Beltane - The Lover's Holiday
- ABOUT BELTANE | RITUAL | FOODS | REFERENCES ABOUT BELTANE Beltane is celebrated on May 1st and is one of the original Celtic festivals, Samhain being the other one. Beltane or May Day is also known as the Lover's holiday. Beltane is pronounced bel-tene, "...
Holidays >> Beltaine
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- Pass the Potatoes: 7 Tested and Perfected Spud Recipes
- Baked, fried, puréed or mashed, everyone loves potatoes. From Maple-Mashed Sweet Potatoes to Potatoes Leek Soup, here are seven simple and delicious ways to make them. 1.
- "Potato Drop"
- Rockford and local areas will receive free potatoes thanks to United Methodist Men. Their 30-year program helps make sure families are fed and local food pantries stocked.
- Let's eat: Spring Salad with Egg, Bacon and Fingerling Potatoes
- This easy flavorful salad, which features fried potatoes and bacon on a bed of tender spring greens, is suitable for lunch or dinner or even breakfast. If you're not crazy about sunny-side-up eggs, go ahead and make them over-easy.
- How are Irish Potatoes made?
- PHILADELPHIA (WTXF) - Shamrocks, green shirts, and leprechauns are key parts of Saint Patrick's Day for many people. But, that list would not be complete without Irish potatoes! So how do you make them?
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