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And what does mayoral candidate Ken Livingstone have to say about this. Seeing as he is so welcoming to genocidal islamist extremists?
I think we should be asking the police to deal with this issue – can you image the outcry if the EDL were to place a poster like this in an area? Strange I never see the students and all the other rent a mob out protesting when these hate posters appear, but heaven they would be if they were anti muslim.
We need to catch these people who are placing these poster up and find those responsible for printing them and charge them all.
and what charge them £100?
To be fair Jock, that wasnt a distributor or printer from the evidence offered to court (whether that is the reality or not – it is what the court considered)
Sorry Stu, I was being sarcastic.
Fair enough ….
Thats ok Stu, I mean it's not like me is it, ta!! :)
Oh and yes that was a joke! lol
If British people people have proven one thing throughout history, it's that we can and DO defy authority and rebel.
It's time to take a stand and do it again against these facist scum. Many people come from Shariah-dominated countries to the UK seeking a better quality of life away from this oppresive dogma: let's show these people why.
Like when? You let the Dutch walk in and take over your country. You have the lowest wages in Europe. You let the Chinese, Japanese and all determine your economy. Vera Lyn was as much as you ever did, sing about the impossible.
Has everyone really succumbed to the idea that 'Shariah' is some kind of evil dark force? Hearing 'Shariah is bad' is as dumb as hearing 'homosexuality is bad' – statements that usually come from people who have none or very little understanding of the subject at hand. This usually comes from irrational fear of something without any proper understanding.
Yes, elements of Shariah Law (the ones publicised heavily in media and television) are probably to many people unacceptable but but there are thousands of aspects of Sharah law that ar enot only beneficial but already similar or the same as laws we already have. Banging on about the Shariah law bogeyman is as idiotic and naive as hjating the whole of 'Western civilisation' or suggesting you love 'everything' about English law… tut-tut…
Have you visited a country under Sharia Law recently?
But in this country we have our seperate laws this means that while communities may choose to practice sharia law it is only when it doesn't violate one of our laws and its hundred percent voluntary …… what they do behind closed doors has nothing to do with me.
I want to wa#k on his prayer mat.
It was nice of you to toss that one in……..
good plan, try not to cock it up
I think there should be a mass debate on the subject.
See, this is the problem. Not only do you think you're offending his faith as a response (which would be dumb, insensitive and anti-Muslim) but that fact you're so onaware of Muslim practices that you actually think that would offend anyone is even worse.
For the record, Muslims can walk on prayer mats, they CAN pray without a mat, the mat has no real significance, they CAN pray with their shoes on and guess what, they can even handle pork, are not scared of pig's heads and pig's blood like some garlic for vampires and they can even eat pork and have dogs. Woot, it's amazing how intolerant you can be about people's practicies when you make them up based on misinformation…
Yeah Adam love, it's called having a sense of humour!!
Islamist hatred yet again. The Islamist Mafia.
I would have thought the hatred was coming from their direction.
Or am I being Islamist and racist to defend myself?
Islamist means in favor of Islamic theocracy. Which is who Ian seems to have called a Mafia.
Why are you agreeing with him so hostilely?
Do you really not understand that hatred gets a hostile response in a democracy?
Whether it's right or wrong it's perfectly understandable.
It is funny how people don't get into the fact the people behind his poster are a bunch of racists, why is that?
If this was white people doing it they would be no problem but why is it different when they aren't white?
Last I checked and actually saw, not just read 'somewhere', Anjem Choudary's group consists of a lot of black and white guys actually… so that can't carry any weight, sorry.
Sadly for you, yes it does but you just make excuses for it, which kinda makes you just as bad.
'Racist' = segregating against racial type.
'Sexist' = segregating against gender.
'Ageist =segregating on the basis of age.
'Islamist' = segregating someone on their choice of faith.
actually, no.
"islamist" = an advocate or supporter of Islamic, esp. orthodox Islamic, political rule.
less like your examples and more like
"dentist" = a dental surgeon
"pianist" = a person who plays the piano.
Off with their heads! Oh wait, is that Shariah law too?
When I first saw these, I assumed from the tediously stereotypical content that they might be a hoax or a Poe of some sort. But no. Some religiously infected quarter-wit has fessed up to them. Still, at least the rozzers know who to arrest – assuming they haven't all resigned by lunchtime.
It was immediately my thought too, a parody of fundamentalism but as you say it seems it's in earnest.
This is a disgrace.
It is time for this government and the Mayor to take a stand and remind people of This country's culture and values.
It includes multicultralism but it does not include taking over parts of the state and declaring it a dictatorship under Shariah law.
If people which to have Shariah law the they should be considered for moving to such a country they wish however to deliberately try to destroy this part of our Western culture is an insult.
Again the answer is clear, if you don't like this country and all it stands for don't be here, fvck off to a country that is willing to suit your needs.
Meanwhile let those innocent, whether Muslim, White, Black, Asian, Gay, Lesbian, Straight whoever, live their lifes in peace and freedom away from tyrants and criminals who wish our way of life harm.
They Can stick Shariah Law where the sun dont shine! They forget they're in the UK Not The middle East and Last time i checked UK Law applied in all Parts of London.
Ruddy Hooligans!!
Hi Gary,
I agree there is something of the "Hooligan" mentality in all of this, after all prohibition and permissiveness are opposite sides of the same coin.
"Sharia shouting" campaigns like this ill conceived attempt to intimidate the residents of East-London, is just a reverse form of thuggery from self appointed righteous, but ineffectual bullies!
We wouldn't accept it from the BNP or EDL these idiots need a reminder that this is Britain and we don't take that crap from foreigners. If they post that rubbish is where I live they'd get their asses kicked
I am in the USA. From what I hear of the BNP, they should be heeded. I see no problems with the EDL, FDL, GDL, etc. Here, there is a newly forming university student group explicitly promoting Western Civilization; I forget the exact name of it.
The BNP should be heeded? Really? Perhaps you haven't scrutinised their other far-right policies. The sharia groups and the BNP are just 2 sides of the same facist coin slugging it out for political domination.
The enemy of our enemy isn't always our friend.
Trouble is under Shariah Laws you have be, act, worship Muslim, no rights, no freedoms.
Under BNP we go to the other extreme which ends up the same, no rights and no freedoms.
Neither should be commended. Both do exactly the same harm to society.
Actually, under the BNP you have no rights and no freedoms AND under Islam4UK / Al Muhajiroun, you have no rights and no freedoms.
You can't really say the same for Shariah Law as it's not an organisation and differs from palce to place. It also has benefits and downsides, just like most systems of law.
Your just agreeing with me but making some issue out of it.
Hope it felt good.
Well stay in the USA then sweetie. We don't want you Plymouth Rock puritans here.
Do you like the tea party?
'Western Civilisation'? lol
Why would that need to be 'promoted' in America?
And just for the record: the BNP are mostly low-energy bigots who would happily go along with everything Hitler said rather than shop in a store selling rice, olive oil or garlic lol
Their reactionary stance comes from an EXTREMELY limited view of the world coupled with enormous and intense fear of that very same world.
They are not the voice of reasoned debate – just knee-jerk aggression and ill informed nonsense.
See! Typical American, cant even put together a short comment. When your nation behaves in a civilised way come back and talk and bring your brain with you.
We don't accept it from anyone.
Last I checked, the Home Office has officially banned at least two established groups founded and chaired by Anjem Choudary.
Last I checked, they've never banned the BNP and never banned the EDL and had them officially disband. Though certain coulds have banned their planned marches.
Food for thought…
If these are bona fide, then they are a own goal, as they will naturally elicit nothing but discomfort and abhorrence from most of the populace, and may well be the product of some rather troubled, unreasonable minds.
I would also consider the prospect that these are the possible works of agent provocateurs, looking to sow the seeds of disharmony within the community.
Either way they are deeply unhelpful.
Unhelpful is kind of an understatement, don't you think?
We are talking about Islamist thugs here, who go around beating up other muslims for smoking (blinding one guy last year in fact), terrorising a young female pharmacist assisteant for not 'covering up', nearly killing Gary Smith, the RE teacher, and vandalising advertisements.
And last week, July 18, hundreds of fanatics tirned up on Mile End Road for the annual Hizb ut Tahrir conferece. The hypocritical UAF, of course, were nowhere to be seen.
Walk around the Vallance Road area where social vermin regularly place graffti proclaiming a 'sharia' state. The police never make an attempt to remove it. Instead they tiptoe around the area, too afraid to stand up to these bullies and thugs for fear of 'upsetting community relations'.
It is time to stand up to this vermin. It's time for a gay pride through Whitechapel followed by a party afterwards.
On 20th June 2010 when EDL successfully stopped The Troxy from hosting yet another islamic hate conference in Tower Hamlets, the UAF went there and incited muslims to riot (EDL had gone elsewhere in London to protest against the re-located conference). I spoke to a Met officer a few weeks ago about the riot and the subsequent policing – he admitted that the Met had simply thrown a cordon round The City to protect it, and they allowed the muslims in Whitechapel to riot and attack any white people they wanted to. He said he was personally ashamed to be a police officer that day. When you give in to islamic bullies, they don't stop.
When are IMAAN going to organise an East End Gay Pride??
I think this has gone beyond any Gay pride now, this has to be a mass rally of all who wish to get the message across that these Extremists are not welcome.
Without the presence of the EDL and such like.
Well for your information on the 16th July the police arrested 80 EDL thugs, hardly tiptoing around the community. Like the rest of the East End we ignored them all and the only one who was interested was that nutter Peter Tatchell and four of his friends. Let the authorities do their job and keep all the nutters out, Islamists, Humanists and Nationalists, we dont need them.
There is double standards on who they arrest.
I agree with AdrianT in that the police are too busy tiptoeing around extremist Muslims but unequally favouring to arrest EDL members instead when they should be doing is imposing the law, UK law to all.
Just what have the humanists done to warrant the label 'nutters'?
Exactly AdrianT, people really do need to stand back and look properly before they make judgements on all Muslims here.
Unfortunately this is a small number of Muslims who are being hypocritical in using Western democracy to get everything they want whilst stating they hate everything western democracies stand for.
Sadly this means that a larger group of Muslims who have been here enjoying Western democracy are now subject from hatred from non-Muslims and extreme Muslims alike.
I do think those who don't agree though need to stand up and be counted alongside prehaps everyone opposed to hatred, without the presence of groups like the EDL.
I do hear of a protest coming up between the EDL and extremist Muslims, in Tower Hamlets, which I have no doubt anti facists groups will walk alongside Anjem Choudary.
What favours will that do us as a community as well as other peaceful people wanting to get on with our lives?
That's the first thing that I thought of as well. TH needs civil disobedience by gays and women. Flood the area with gay couples holding hands and smoking. How about a "Slut Walk", spontaneous dancing, and fundraiser for the One Law Campaign.
Thats funny on the 9th July the EDL descended on Halifax many were done for carrying weapons a few fights where going on, they vandalised train stations of all nearby towns and vandalised EDL slogans in Halifax they beat up a Calderdale Councillor for looking to muslim (he was actually an atheist), alcahol was not allowed to be served in Halifax till after the demo and the town centre was shut down.
The police never made an attempt to remove it. Instead they tiptoe around the area, too afraid to stand up to these bullies.
Ironic isn't it that you complain about the same things you all fall into as soon as you can.
If people genuinely want to live under shariah tyranny, why live in the UK? Why not move somewhere run by Islamists?
Exactly, where many have escaped from.
I think it more about changing us they want us to bow at their feet
'bow at their feet'……..>? where do you get this tripe from?
Its like you've suddenly gone completely reactionary:
My guess is something has happened to you recently
5 years working with some muslims and as a gaay man i can assur you ifthe bangladeshi and somalies have power they will kill us.
Sad but true.
The plan of these people are to force us all to be Muslim, no ifs, no buts, no choice, no freedom.
You sound very naive.
Muslims are very irrational people. just like their religion.
These comments just go to show how short sighted everyone is.
Of course there is an agenda by muslims, and Islam itself to take over all western nations and turn them into Islamic states. That is so obvious.
The future of western nations is looking very bleak now.
We will all become refugees in the future ourselves, driven from our countries by these extremist, fundamentalist muslims. The very people the west has helped by taking them in from their own countries. Every western country is having the same problem.
Muslims want to install sharia law for themselves. so they can govern themselves.
They are not going to accept western values or it's laws. And will continue to fight it.
If history has any thing to say about it. Then read about it. The West and East have been at war for centuries and that will not change any time soon.
Wake up everyone. Stop being so naive.
This has been the plan Gaddafi has been trying to get across to the Middle East in the Islamic states.
That they don't need wars, Just have Muslims breed and multiply in non Muslim countries until they take over.
Trouble is there is a massive flaw in that plan too, just like centuries of wars they will fail.
Well said , with the islamic breeding programme, it would seem inevitable that this country is heading to being an islamic theocracy.
"Muslims are very irrational people. just like their religion."
Wow! Is this a forum on an LGBT website, where individuals wouldn't tolerate comments like
"Gays are very irrational people. just like their sexuality."
I see what's going wrong with this country. It's people like the BNP, EDL, Islam4UK and some of the folk writing on these forums…
Shame. I guess democracy, tolerance, progression are not necessarily qualities people just happen to have because of their faith, country or background. It's an individual thing, you either choose to be the better person or you don't. All this allegiance crap is just an excuse. if you really want others to be a better citizen, LEAD BY EXAMPLE.
Exactly, what more can be said, apart from this will never by a "Sharia run" country.
One wonders why they even bother to indulge themselves such a medieval fantasy!
I think that someone who believes that Sharia law should apply in Britain should have their citizenship revoked and deported to a country which agrees with them.
If someone has zero respect for another person's human or civil rights; then they automatically lose the right to argue about their own civil rights.
But then we become just as authoritarian with that notion Steve.
Personally, I think it should be punished severely and I would like to see an overt stand being taken by a higher authority. It won't happen though.
Thing that makes me laugh is they worship dictatorship valves in a free western country that actually allows them to protest.
Yet so many pay with their lives protesting for Freedom in the country these morons what us to be like.
Why do people seriously think they can stick these stupid leaflets up and not have any repurcussions?
I particularly love the "no concerts or music" part. I can imagine the parties being mind-blowing!
Hit them where it will hurt the most !!!
In the pocket Mr Anjem Choudary has claimed responsibility for the campaign.
There are laws regarding illegal Fly posters and heavy fines Just the same for littering
It is just a thought and something to be going on with Until he really does something that will mean a long term jail sentence
If the Muslim community want to apply pressure among their own community to ban smoking, alcohol, music, drugs, prostitution and porn, then provided the pressure is peaceful and not importunate that is really their business. And some good may come of it. But if the pressure is importunate or if it seeks to make the entire locality conform, I would say that is going too far.
Trouble is Dan there are 3 sects of Muslims and this is one of them speaking for all which the other 2 sects and the community as a whole do not want.
The trouble is Jock, the other two sects stick their heads in the sand and ignore it. Then they complain we are all tarring them with the same brush. If these moderates don't want to be accused like the rest of them, they need to stand up and be counted and stop pretending it has nothing to do with them.
The majority of this is being pushed by the Saudis, but because of the fact they have so much clout because they happen to be floating on oil and could just turn the tap off at any time, our governments are walking on eggshells and won't say anything.
I have to agree with that. They do need to rise up and be counted to show they disagree with it.
Not doing so just makes it look like on the few that they may disagree but deep down they agree.
The problem I see with that Dan is that they are not just telling their own faithful from the pulpit, they are declaring areas as under Sharia Law and the implicit threat is that everyone is expected to comply no matter what their beliefs. It is one thing to say smoking is bad – it is quite another to say that you will be punished under Sharia Law if you smoke when you have not agreed to be bound by it. It is also a hop and a skip from this to Sharia Law family courts under which marital rape is not a crime and so would not be punished or reported to the police. Everyone in this country should be free under the one set of laws and be free from any pressure to live by someone else's beliefs. Jees we have to fight hard against our own christian fundies we shouldn't allow another lot to get a foothold in making their own laws.
Dan Filson, you racist moron.
So, if other muslims are terrorised by bullies and thugs, it's perfectly fine. But if it impinges on you, or your sort, then it's 'going too far'? Are the muslim community not British enough to deserve the same protections and freedoms as anyone else?
Who needs Lord Haw Haw with traitors like you?
You make me sick.
Islam is NOT a race. Islam is a religion and religion is a choice.
Not neccessarily. People can be born into and thus socially engineered into a religion. In that sense the concept of it being a choice would be debatable I think.
Religion is a choice. People may be born into it but they are not born it like Straight, Gay, Lesbian….
Religious lifestyle is taught, people choose to remain in it, they swap when they disagree with it.
Therefore Luke is right, religion IS a choice.
Jock: That is all very well for you to stand on the high moral ground and dismiss people for having a choice. Have you not heard of honour killings? Have you ever met a gay Muslim? Many people are born into the religion and are expected to conform. To deny it means at best ostracism from one's community, and at worst being killed for denying God. Having a faith may not be a genetic trait, but it sure as hell can be just as difficult to rid oneself of the trappings of religion as it is a sexuality.
Paint it up any way you want this child abuse of forcing is still choice.
Being Gay isn't, it doesn't matter if your Gay and Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jedi or none of the above.
I have religious friends Christian, Muslim and Gay. They have a choice over religion but they don't over who they are.
Jock: Read this and tell me it's always a choice.
Yes it is still a choice made by Humans.
In this case political power forces it but it is still a choice and clearly this woman has chosen to not to be part of Islam.
Being forced to doesn't change that because her wishing to not be is the proof we need to show it is choice.
I'm with you on that Adrian. The muslim fundamentalists (there is no such thing as an islamist) have driven gay people out of east London (as the maps comparing 1991 and 2011 show). They also attack non-muslim women and try to force them into veils. A muslim councillor in Tower Hamlets was threatened with murder (in Sylheti, proving it was a fellow Bangladeshi). It is not AND CANNOT be a question of "leave them to it". That means leaving every girl born into a muslim family to their sexist religion. It leaves every gay child to grow up among them in fear and self-hatred. I know muslim apostates in hiding because they argued with their family and told them they do not believe in islam any more.
There is a sense in which "leave them to it" is racist — it is what the feminists and left-wing have been doing. It assumes that because muslims are (mostly) brown-skinned, they are incapable of the same standards as white people. It is the racism of low expectations (Hirsi Ali).
I agree to a point AdrainT but no-one questions the racism used in these poster and those using them.
Empty vessels make the loudest noises and there are none so empty as the BNP, EDL and Islamist extremists. The quiet, determined and unremarked activities of those who are trying to build better community relations is far more effective than the screaming idiocies of these fanatics which only serve to create divisions and hatred. The influence of all these groups is exaggerated to the point of stupidity. Mass unemployment, gang culture among youth (not just muslim), the vicious attack on living standards, low expectations, war and slaughter, have all been sidlined. The fanatics are winning because we give them the oxygen of publicity over bigger issues of concern.
Dan, your's is probably thye most sensible comment I'fe read on this whole thread. thank you.
Re; Dan, I forgot to add that his comment is rational and sane compared to all the other mindless rants.
Thats the whole point that people aren't understanding about Shariah Law in the UK is its voluntary and has to be within our own already standing laws
I wonder what the council's offensive graffitti policy is? This couyld be an effective way of enusring these messages do not remain on display for long. If they, like other councils have a hotline where residents can call in and report offensive graffitti which is then removed within 24 hours, these posters can fall into that category.
I note from the image the poster seems to have obliterated what looks to be a mandatory safety sign, so an offense may have been committted, especially it this is on railway property.
Anyone found taking part in 'vigilante' style enforcement of this fake law can be stopped / searched /arrested if carrying offensive weapons or causing a breach of the peace.
What we need is the full force of existing laws applied to neutralise this threat. Stooping to the same level by name calling, racism and bigotry won't make it go away.
It's been said to you before, so it bears repeating, since you have not got the following into your thick little skull: ISLAM IS NOT A RACE. IT IS A RELIGION. YOU CAN DROP THE 'RACISM' BULL**** NOW.
It's been said to you before, so it bears repeating, since you have not got the following into your thick little skull: ISLAM IS NOT A RACE. IT IS A RELIGION. You can drop the 'racism' bull now, thank you very much.
This sickens me and makes me extremely angry. The liberal country we want to produce is being eroded in many parts of London.
More of this to come if Ken becomes mayor.
I can't believe this nonsense.
Who told you this?
(They lied)
BTW, just where is Unite Against Facism?
They don't campaign against Muslim Facists only white British ones… don't know why.
Mind you they do protest with Anjem Choudary so what does that say?
It says they are hypocritical b@astards. They are the real threat to the UK. They are the real fascists and they prove it by ignoring the extremism going on in the East End. BNP and UAF have a lot in common, socialist and fascism.
Jack S Strap, the term is Islamist, not 'Muslim'. An important difference, and to understand it in full I strongly recomment Ed Husain's excellent book, 'The Islamist', which you will certainly find in Waterstone's off Gower Street. .
Cheers AdrainT for the correction.
As for the book I really couldn't think of anything worse to read.
If that guy hates the west so much, why the hell doesn't he just move back east? He has his cultures and he have ours too. Does he not see the irony of trying to force us to change to his way of thinking?
Indeed, they don't see the irony of using our culture, which apparently he hates so much, to force their own opinions on others.
For exactly the same reason that Christian missionaries have gone, and continue to go, to traditionally non-Christian parts of the world. To convert people to their way of thinking.
"If that guy hates the west so much, why the hell doesn't he just move back east?"
What, back to Welling?
Ban Sharia law. There is only one law of the land, British law. If they can't accept that, then boot them out of the country. They contribute nothing but hate and incite violence by their extremism. To those native born sharia fans, go live in the middle east if you hate it here so much.
Here! Here!
Why not do to these the same we did to Guy Fawkes… extremists should be treated as terrorists and both should be executed under British law. The scum are more than likely on the dole if they have time to do this and in social housing, the parasites should be removed or become greatful for all this great nation has provided!
Sorry, but those who do not like it here, should simply be evicted to Saudi or Iran where the rules they likd so much ard strictly enforced!
However, somehow I have the idea these wackjobs will not be welcome there…
Good for them!
ok, i will respect sharia law when i'm in Pakistan, so should these TWATS go back to their country, this is London, Europe, officials should really take a stand against these disrespectful assholes !!!
Why don't people in those areas hold peaceful protests about the fliers? I think the best way to go about doing it would be to arrange bi-weekly pub meets in those areas and walk up and down the streets with mp3 players blaring at full blast. :D
Because approx 75% of the gay people in Tower Hamlets have left the borough in the last 20 years. http://4freedoms.ning.com/group/gay/forum/topics/gay-free-zone-the-ethnic
We are all waiting for the gay muslim group IMAAN to organise a politically-correct East End Gay Pride. Anyone else who does it will be called a racist. Either that, or we need to accept that for gay people, the east end is now a no-go area.
So start organisaing gay pride events there, and tell IMAAN to go and swing off a rope.
EDL Fascist we have talked about this just because gay pubs close down does not prove that 75% of the gay population have moved out there are no gay pubs in Halifax does that mean there's no gay people there …. no of course not.
Do you know what's worse about this? Most people won't even be able to tell the difference between these muslims and the muslims who are integrated/born into british society. All these extremists are doing are making us hate islam, and that's not healthy either.
Islam is there to be hated. It is the cross-eyed bastard brainchild of an illiterate desert paedophile. I can't get through the week without my Koranic toilet paper.
ooh the irony…..
spending lots of money on The Koran then are we? lol
"yeah – that'll teach em"
you doughnut!
Well I'm proud of myself. This 'novelty' item is very absorbtive, and all proceeds go to the German businessman who first invented it.
….I'm sure you are…..
It saddens me that this is happening, and that there are those who are trying to bait our communities into a fight with each other.
If Anjem Chourdary has taken responsibility for the campaign then the council should take action against him and his organisation – and prosecute him for fly posting.
I believe the maximum fine is £1000 per poster so if Tower Hamlets took action they could bankrupt him and his organisation.
I'm guessing any fine, if he was charged and sentenced, it would be still be paid by the taxpayer.
I'm all for freedom of speech, but if I stuck up posters which said "Sharia Free Zone", I'd be arrested within a few hours and labelled "islamophobic", whatever that means. Even if the police aren't too busy looking the other way, you can bet it will only be a foot soldier and not a true islamofacist leader. With the wimps we have in parliament still operating an open door policy to these death cultists, I can see us going the same route as the French with their officially declared 700 no go areas which are operated by death cultist and drug baron partnerships. Ho Hum
Oh dear, Mr Camaron, you have real problems to deal with now and it just might be a rather a good idea to move it and get it sorted before the Islam terrorists living in Britain get a real hold on the country. The Islamic cancer is spreading fast. Be warned Sir, you are sitting on a time bomb!!!!
All this in a area where they are having deep cuts of £70 million, slashing 500 jobs and their dodgy Mayor feels the need spend £115,000 to triple the size of his office AND chooses to lease a £30,000 silver-grey E-class Mercedes saloon costing £360 a weekeven though he already has a car.
Plus a chauffeur to drive it.
The same homophobic mayor supported by the IFE who Ken Livingstone broke rangs with Labour to canvass and support for…
Will we hear from Ken, condemning this Mayor and this action with the Posters in his area on his watch?
I doubt it.
I will say though if Boris and Ken can use public transport and bikes why not him? What makes him so special?
Oh my Ken livingstone broke ranks with…
Who is really extremists is homosexual activists. They shall be challenged in the same way. Perverts shall be opposed everywhere!
Not where I live you. What you don't understand is that the world has moved on and you are now the weirdo who we will cross the street to aviod. And being called a pervet by you is a compliment
Makes me laugh that the person calling others a pervert is the one that can't stop thinking about others having sex.
Especially gay sex, Jock. Rich seems to have a love/hate relationship with it!
I agree, it does appear that our resident Troll has some sort of love-hate relationship with Man on Man hot action, so to speak.
Presumable because he wants it, and cannot have it.
How the Puritians like to torture themselves!
Projecting much?
Projection that would make any cinema envious!
You are such an arse
(and a very smelly arse at that)
oh yeah – and by the way – I've also reported your arse…
You CENSORED. Why don't you CENSORED you piece of CENSORED CENSORED!
Couldn't agree more Rick…
It actually looks like a joke. It looks like some kind of art project – if I saw it I'd think it was some kind of anti-muslim thing, warning us of what we'd lose if sharia was imposed…
The English Defence League is a non-racist, non-fascist organisation whose sole aim is to unequivocally oppose the imposition of Sharia law in England. It stands firmly opposed to violence and hatred from extreme Islam directed against the LGBT community, women, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs etc.
Do not believe the extravagant and untruthful statements made by the BBC et al. We are not racists or fascists. We do, however, oppose extreme hatred and violence and severe curtailment to freedom and liberty that the imposition of Sharia law entails.
Check out our website. Read our mission statement. We are not thugs. We are people such as yourselves who value freedom and diversity and who demand the right to live our lives as we choose – without fear of oppression and violence .
Please, put aside any misconceptions you may have about us, come and take a look at our website http://www.englishdefenceleague.org. See what we really stand for and you will find we feel the same as you.
Funny how you people talk the talk but only seem to show when certain stories arise!
It's hard to square your claims that the EDL is non-racist and non-violent with the reality of an EDL march. You can sit there with your fingers in your ears pretending it's a nice peaceful organisation which just opposes Sharia law and Islamic extremism – a view you'd be hard pressed to find much opposition to – but the vast majority of the EDL's membership consists of football hooligans and other assorted thugs who simply aim to intimidate Muslims (and trust me, most of them draw no distinction between extremist and moderate Muslims, or often even between Muslims and non-Muslim Asians).
You seem like a reasonably intelligent person but if you believe the EDL is exactly what it says on its website you're either deluded or a liar.
2hats, don't be such a nasty boy. Just because I wouldn't let you play with my bits! As I told you, you're a lovely person but your just not my type.
Send every Islamist extremist back to die in the deserts where they belong. In fact, why not add in the extremist Christians? F88king bunch of parasites and hypocrites the whole lot of them. If they don't like it here, then they can p off. And if they haven't got a job, just what are they doing here? If they're 'students', then cap their visas and charge them a fortune to study here. As soon as they finish their degrees, put them on the nearest flight, preferably one with a suicide bomber on it.
Treacherous, evil and a blight on civilised society everywhere. This is Islam. And the average Muslim makes a KKK member seem like a moderate.
I advocate this idea also. Cover these posters with pictures of Allah or pigs, not that you could tell the difference.
You're right Sean. (Well, the difference for me personally is that I don't like to see pigs slaughtered.)
By the way, Amazon sells pig stickers. It's cute little Pepa, but when placed on top of these posters, these beautiful symbols will send out a clear and defiant message to the unwashed.
Dear James!,
I offer my compassion. Being gay is good, normal and nothing to be ashamed or a reason to hate one's self.
My comrades at the EDL, which includes a huge LGBT contingent remain vigilant and committed to ensuring you and I may pursue our lives free from violence and intimidation.
Regardless of the vile contents of the Qu'ran, we at the English Defence League will never allow any of our LGBT brothers and sisters to be :
2. BURNED ALIVE or
Like it, (or us) or not – we will protect you and fight to enable all of us to love whomever we are meant to love.
I shall look you up later. Thank you.
"Dear James!" its like "Dear Degenerate!" :)
Its the bangladesh and somalies muslimms we need to watch out for but edl are not the answer. I sugggest boycotting your local muslim shop and insisting that your are not served halal food. We neeed to fight now before it too late. And rich ive left skidmarks deeeper than you
@ Rich (unoriginal)
it's people like you Rich from a backward culture and failing mentation that are truly degenerate.
You display every sign of being in decline mentally and morally and I can only imagine your physical deterioration would match.
Jupiterray 16 hours ago Report Reply
Dear James!,
I offer my compassion. Being gay is good, normal and nothing to be ashamed or a reason to hate one's self.
Well thanks for clearing that up. When England lost the Euro cup in 1998 hoolignans ran through Soho beating up gay people and broke my mates jaw. EDL is full of these thugs and are only thinking my enemys enemy is my friend.
No thanks
However there are alot of homophobic thugs in the EDL, just because you have a few gay people stupid enough to believe that they will be respected if they fight with you does not make you gay friendly … hell even the BNP have gay supporters!!
Kick the lot of the dirty dole scum out of thud county
Dear Jock S Trap,
Sweetheart, don't be snide it is most unbecoming and unworthy of you.
Some issues are more important to me than others hence I respond to certain issues which cause me particular offense or distress when I encounter them.
For example, I am vegan and the incessant violence meted out to non-human animals causes me anguish and provokes me to comment where I feel it is necessary.
As a gay man who, like so many of us, has had to endure hatred, violence and contempt from others throughout our lives, threats to the existence of myself and my community also provokes me to respond.
I will go to any lengths or take any action to defend and protect myself and any other LGBT person from the violence and danger we face from extreme Islam and Sharia law.
Jock,I respect your numerous and worthy contributions to these pages. I contribute when I feel it necessary. Failing to be omnipresent is not a ground for criticism.
Peace and love, Jupiterray
PS. Hugs and kisses to Enoch
Back at you, Jupiterray. I'm a vegetarian, and admire your more sincere and practical vegan stance. I shall definitely look your organisation up later. (I'm at work. At least my boss thinks I am.) x
He is degenerate anyway…., and, therefore, why "dear"?
We must say no in a clear and robust manner to Shariah law having any teeth in the UK whatsoever. It should not be seen as accepted in UK society. Whilst those who attend mosques should be free (within the limits of civil law) to set their own regulations for within these settings, that does not in any way provide a right to make areas shariah ghettos. This must be condemned by all politicians, leaders, police etc
Here here !!!
No to Sharia
Yes to Western values, and the promotion of Civil Society
Here here !!!
No to Sharia
Yes to Western values, and the promotion of Civil Society
Spot on, Stu.
One day or another, gay-degenerates will be errased from the face of Earth….
Playing with yourself again Rich? Tut, you'll go blind ya know.
But not today Rich, today we are forcing powerless morons like you to rant in gay sites like lunatics as your only recourse…. and I love it.
@Rich (Orginal)
Carrying on your Islamophobic and homophobic Rants, so all UK Muslims and LGBT people can see your moronic mindless muppetry
If you think they are crazy the Christians are pretending to be gay on web sites like Adam 4 Adam and OK Cupid just so they can harass and gay bash gays if they don't stop being gay. The Christians are trying to take over the internet for God, the Christians are also members of ANONYMOUS, why else do you thing they want to take over the net and government.
I've never heard of these allegations before. However for some years (since the west deposed Saddam Hussein) muslim militias in Iraq have been using gay chat rooms to find gay men, then sending around torture squads to kill them as painfully and slowly as possible — usually by feeding them laxatives after super-glueing the victim's anus. Savage, disgusting, barbarous monsters.
Rich (original)…"Perverts shall be opposed everywhere!"
Well then, that means islam. Mohammed was a paedophile, had sex with a 9 year old girl who later became one of his wives. Oh yes, islam also practices that other perversion, polygamy.
Rich (Original) is famous on PN for his cinematic-dramatics
Projection, projection, projection
Why do you say that polygamy is a 'perversion'…?
And I deeply suspect that marrying pre-pubescent girls was commonplace throughout much of the world at that point in history.
The notion of an 'age of consent' is a fairly modern western notion (no more than a hundred years or so old). There was a very interesting documentary about this some time ago.
I don't know enough about Mohammed's life story to comment but it seems to me kinda odd to be relying so heavily on this aspect of his life story to somehow discredit the whole of Islam given, as I said, it was (unfortunately) common practice amongst many people at that point in history.
"And I deeply suspect that marrying pre-pubescent girls was commonplace throughout much of the world at that point in history."
What primary or secondary evidence do have to suport this theory?
Okay. Try this. Mohammad, like his contemporaries, was an old paedo. And the religious document he produced is a load of shyte. I think that gives Islam and its founder their due perspective.
Staircase2, its true that "the notion of an 'age of consent' is a fairly modern western notion (no more than a hundred years or so old)". Such concept created modern idiots who has no understanding of sexuality of human being. Every child has capability for consent from very early age. Every parent know that. However, some jurists on the West decided to control human sexual activities with judicial instruments, laws, and created concept of "age of consent". They are the killers of human free will, and they terrorizing children's life from very day of birth until even the end of 17th year of their lives…. What a terrible society Western politicians created on Earth, and falsely calling such terrorising society as "humanist". Gays in the Western world are idiots who have no intelligence to comprehend the terrible unjustice which is imposed on all Western children – hundreds millions of innocent beings – and depriving them of sexul freedom of choice….. That's pity.
Oh, what a surprise, Rich favours sex with children. Sick on many levels.
@Rich (Original)
Why are you inciting hatred of ordinary law abiding UK Muslims, by suggesting that all UK Muslims are Paedophiles?
You are an idiot, Robert….. Islam is a religion. Mohammed is a founder. In Islam any marriage is a contract, made by parents with a bride or his parents on behalf of young female from any age (even one year old female could be married to any man. Sex is different from marriage, and if it practiced within marriage, the husband finds appropiate time for it, with the humane consideration for the physical development of his wife. There no cruelty permitted in Ilsam toward wife. There no evidence that Prophet was a paedophile. You only places yourself into a group of idiots and slanderers by your false accusation without any basis whatsoever in the world. Shame on you!
The proof that Mohammed had sex with a child is to be found in the laws found from Saudi Arabia, to Yemen, to Iran, to Malaysia etc. ALL OF WHICH make a marriage to a girl as young as 10 possible. Manuals of sharia law (approved by the highest islamic authorities) explicitly state that a man may even marry a pre-pubescent child (which is why there is no age limit in Saudi Arabia). Muslim "marriage experts" can be found talking on Lebanese TV shows in recent years advising that the husband "should wait until the girl is 9 years old before having sex with her" in order that the muslim man may better model himself on the example of Mohammed. http://www.thevoicemagazine.com/blog/worldnews/child-sex-ok-at-9-says-islamic-saudi-cleric/ The islamic jurists are far superior experts on islam than you or I.
"Mohammed is a founder."
Mohammed is a paedophile.
Mohammed is a piece of desert dung.
Anybody who doesn't like here whether they are Islamic Extremists, IRA supporters, Brit-haters, they should leave!!! There is no bullet in the back of you neck if you chose to leave the UK (unlike North Korea). Let's free up some room for LGBT refugees from Africa and the Middle East who may actually appreciate this country. Anyway, how would people react if I opened up a gay bar in Tehran?
Why would LGBT Arabs or Africans want to come here, the weather is terrible a bit like the people, cold wet and uninviting. No give us the sands of the Sahara or the shores of some beautiful african lake. I have been in several gay bars in Tehran and believe you me they are a lot more friendlier than what you have in Soho.
There are NO gay bars in Tehran, there might cafe's where some gay people meet in secret but that is it. Iran executes homosexuals or forces them to undergo sex changes. The police routinely 'look for' homosexual people.
You can't have gleaned much from your forays into Tehran's nightlife if you imagine that Iranians would appreciate being mistaken for Arabs (or, worse, Africans!).
Hey feel free to leave if you want Michael. Have fun when you get hung in Tehran simply for being yourself
Anjem Choudary is boring troll
But sort of hilarious. We should treat him like they treat Westboro in America
Westboro's believers talking the truth. People shall hear them and reform America and whole world then! Inshallah!
Oh, how dearly I would love to see how the Westboro lunatics would deal with you, Rich (original)!
All this is happening by stealth as communities become increasingly muslim, they effectively become ghettos where the muslim community hold sway and where no non-muslim wants to live, nor are they welcome to live. As muslim communities grow, so too will this call for sharia law and the local council will not resist since it will be comprised of many supporters… slowly but surely pockets of the uk will be colonised in this way which is exactly what they want. The so-called moderates wont be moderate for long and will never take the side of a non-muslim against a brother. simple as. It is imperative that this is nipped in the bud. Now.
The religion of "peace" at work again i see…nice to see teh rise of facism in europe once more….
'Islamic rules enforced'
Er, 'enforced' how exactly? I wonder if they explained this to the tabloids.
Muslims are the most discriminated religious minority in the U.K.because they cannot marry girls 6 or 9 years of age. British jurisprudence stands against Islam on British Isles and violates freedom of practice of anscient Religion of Islam. Logically, Muslim citizens of Britain are subjugated by Christian people and deprived their religious right to marry young girls of their choice.
Oh, I get it. You're actually working against Islam, and posting here in the way that you do in order to highlight its many depravities. Well done!
@Rich (Original)
You appear some what proud of providing the seeds which incite Islamophobia
Why is that?
There is an interesting point in relation to marriage of Muslim to young girl of his choice in Arab world, for example in Saudi Arabia…. If Muslim married young girl at her age of 6 or 7 years, the parents of the girl relinquishes their authority over the girl when she is married to such Muslim man, and he governing her life in his family's home. If he decided to travel to U.K with his young wife, aged 6, for tourist purposes, theoretically he can obtain the visa for his visit the U.K. But here is an interesting question: does it ever happens in the history of U.K.? Does the age of concent applicable for Muslim marriages in which wives are aged at 6 or 7 or 8 or more? OK, U.K.'s brave human rights activists – your turn to talk now! I am listening!
My, my, my, what a wonderful improvement in English, practically overnight….. again.
As you for you listening – I'm reminded of that Spanish proverb "A wise man changes his mind, a fool never"
Is this preacher insane?
NO! Wisdom is the matter!
"This will mean this is an area where the Muslim community will not tolerate drugs, alcohol, pornography, gambling, usury, free mixing between the sexes – the fruits if you like of Western civilisation."
If this guy hates Western civilization so much, why is he living in a Western country? He doesn't want to live in a mosaic of cultures that respect on another. What he's doing is attempting to mount a cultural invasion and impose another culture's legal system on British citizens. That's got to be some kind of illegal!
Hypocrites are ususally the most vocal. They are jealous that we can do what they dream of. The opposite to love is not hate its indifference. These people want to be us but they're too scared
Oh the joys of multiculturalism: black, white, brown and yellow living side by side and popping to each others' houses for cups of sugar… The true face of multiculturalism, of course, are ghettos of various races who, through strength in numbers, start demanding that home-grown laws be changed to suit their ways and who start trumping the rights of the indigenous population. Don't blame the Moslems – it is only human nature to want to live among those of your own creed. No, blame New Labour in all its guises for perniciously allowing this state of affairs to happen in its effort to dilute Britain's cultural identity, to the extent that gays are now afraid to set foot within a two mile radius of Islam, sorry, Bethnal Green. And blame the by and large gentle and peace-loving Moslem populace for not keeping its fringe radical element in check.
It should also be noted that Tower Hamlets is one of the most deprived parts of the country with the highest concentration of social housing and youth unemployment. How has the influx of Moslems actually benefited or enhanced our culture over the past few decades? Er…24 hour convenience shops? Radicalised Moslems have no right to impose their intolerance on our way of life when they contribute virtually zilch to our way of life yet grab all they can from the welfare state. If they wanted to make a difference they would fish out the grubby parasite who is plastering these posters and impose their Sharia justice on him, but of course they are more likely to hide and protect him…
I think this might be a golden opportunity for us to be seen to make a stand for equal human rights for everyone – we are often accused of being selfish and concerned only with our own community or playing victim cards. That turns people off supporting us. If we come out vocally opposed to this kind of anti-freedom lunacy we may actually gain some respect from those who are ordinarily exempt from being targetted, like Christians, women, ordinary British people, anyone with a belief in justice and democracy.
Did it occur to anyone that these posters may not have been put up by Muslims (why pay to promote something but make no mention of your organisation?) but by anti-Muslims out to stoke the flame?
Worth considering…
Sorry to rip a hole in your rainbow-coloured tent, but impotent dole-sponge Anjem Choudary announced that his organisation was paying for and distributing the posters about a month before these appeared.
@Kismet Hardy
I can see that you have not been following previous stories connected with the East end of London!!!
Are you new to this site?
This is unbelievable. England is a mainly Christian country and also very tolerant – tolerant enough to allow other religions and beliefs within her land yet there are those who come along and decide they're going to basically plant a flag and say 'Well this is such and such's land and this is what we will do…" And the poisonous Western beliefs and values? If people don't like them, why live in the country? Here in this country we follow English Law, not Sharia Law. And before I am attacked for being racist or intolerant – I am Mixed Race, I have a Muslim Uncle and cousin, and for the record, he too believes that if you choose to live in another country, you integrate into their social norms and laws. If you don't want to, go to a country where your beliefs are also shared, but DON'T force your beliefs onto others!
Nice rant but who's it for? Anjem Choudhary's not reading this. is it for the author or editor of the article? Is it against all Muslims because of the actions of one idiot?
"…yet there are those who come along and decide they're going to basically plant a flag"
Who are "those"? If people don't wish to be generalised by the likes of Anjem Choudary, they shouldn't generalise Muslims, really.
Also, for the record, 'Muslims' are not a race.
Which is why I specifically didn't say ALL Muslims. I simply said those who are programmed to view the world with extremist views.
And why I also said I'm not racist OR intolerant. I would say if you have a problem with a religion, that's an INTOLERANCE.
So kindly don't correct my Grammar. Moron.
this makes me literally sick to my stomach
The Pink states 'Islamic preacher Anjem Choudary, who said in 2008 that gays should be stoned to death, has claimed responsibility for the campaign.' So if he has claimed responsibility then the law can be applied directly to him! So why has the MET not arrested or charged him ?????
And why do media outlets like the Pink Paper refer to Anjem as an 'Islamic preacher'? Why give the guy an ego boost and tell all those young impressionable Muslims reading stuff like this that he's a preacher. Why make them feel like you're attacking one of 'theirs'?
The guy's not a religious or 'Islamic' anything, he's just another guy with daft ideas. He's no more an Islamic preacer than Nick Griffin is a Christian preacher for going on about this being a Christian country etc. etc.
Call him what ghe is, just another confused guy with more journslists around him than supporters. To think somewhere in this country this sujmmer is a massive Muslim mcommunity event, maybe more, where individualss are promoting peace, yet the pres coverage for the whole country to summarise the muslim community will be reports about some crappy posters photocopied at Staples and stuck on a few lampposts and bus stops… sucks :(
Why does the media, including the Pink Paper, report on anything Anjem Choudhary does?
He's a one-man army. So he put a poster up? Take it down, report it to the police. Job done.
Just because he states something on a poster, doesn't mean anyone is out to get the community, or that there's a major offensive.
This is like having an article over a bit of vandalism or because someone rants their bigoted views on a blog.
Then you wonder why the mainstream LGBT and Muslim community end up with tension between them. because you let Choudhary stir the pot of hostility.
Find them and just send them back to there homeland. I don't understand why we even let these haters in the UK.
I say we should round these people up and dunk them in a warm bubbling solution of alcohol, weed, nicotine, old lottery tickets, porn mags and prostitutes' old condoms, whilst blaring Beethoven's 5th Symphony 1st movement. We could even throw in some bacon, and add a few naked gay guys to dry them off.
Trouble is there wouldn't be enough wet-wipes for the few naked gay duys afterwards.
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text: Sarah Jessica Parker gathered nearly 30 of her family members for a 75th-birthday celebration for her mother, Barbara, a teacher and actress, Wednesday night. Parker, husband Matthew Broderick, son James and twin daughters Marion and Tabitha were spotted at a lengthy dinner at French eatery Le Charlot on the Upper East Side. The large birthday gathering was described as "festive" and "full of joy." Eight of Barbara's 11 grandchildren — ranging in age from 12 years to 2 weeks old — were there, and spies saw the kids shuttling from the table to the street outside to take in the night air and hang out together in between courses.

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It hasn't happened yet, but the process to increase the rates for water customers of the city of Dunkirk moved another step closer to being official during Tuesday's Common Council meeting. With water rates set under local law, council moved to table Resolution 83-2012 for a public hearing Nov. 5 at 5:20 p.m., just prior to council's next regular meeting.
There was discussion about the increase, and the city budget, prior to the vote.
Expressing concern about the impact to residents, First Ward Councilman Michael Michalski asked Development Director Steve Neratko for an update on the proposed Chadwick Bay Water District.
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Common Council members Michael Michalski (left) and William Rivera talk about water rate hikes at Tuesday's meeting.
Neratko said an implementation plan for regional water is the next step and the group has hired a consultant. Presentations on possibilities to various local governing bodies are planned.
"What is the potential for regional water in the area and basically, what is the route that will be best taken right now? They're looking at numerous options, there's a lot on the table," Neratko explained.
"Basically, it can be anywhere from the city just selling water to municipalities, pretty much expanding on the opportunities we already have, to having a completely new water authority or water agency in the region."
Neratko said the group recently had a kickoff meeting on the implementation plan and heard from state officials on possible funding and others who had completed similar projects.
"What I really got out of the meeting was it's going to take some time, but there are steps we can take up until that point; and really the biggest thing is to work with municipalities that surround us. When opportunities present themselves to those municipalities for grant opportunities, that we step up and we act as a partner. They're going to have to take the lead on it but we do need to realize that we need to be a partner. We may be able to get funding for some of the activities that we need to address as well."
Michalski noted it was important for the city to stay involved with the proposed water district now that costs are hitting city residents.
"Hopefully, some of these costs will be either spread out among the area municipalities or we generate more revenue," he stated.
Second Ward Councilman William Rivera said city residents were going to feel the pinch for things that have been put off.
"Things that should have been taken care of that weren't," he continued. "Our backs have kind of been put against the wall to get these things taken care of now. ... I just want to let city residents know there is more to come."
Prior to the vote to table, Rivera said he had figured out how the increase would affect his water bill.
"I really found myself saying to myself, this really wasn't all that bad," he reported.
Fourth Ward Councilwoman Stacy Szukala asked Mayor Anthony J. Dolce if he had met with "any of the top industries or plan to in the near future so they are prepared?'
"Most definitely," he replied. "And I'm sure they've heard me talk about this over the last five, six months. So yes."
After the meeting Dolce was asked if the increase was to cover borrowing for the 2009 consent order the city is under to upgrade its water system.
"That is correct. Any new monies, if you will, that come in will go directly toward paying down our debt service," he replied.
In his 2013 budget proposal Dolce listed $250,000 from each of Fund II and Fund III as Fund I revenues as administrative expenses. He was asked if the city's outside auditors were consulted on the move.
"That came through in discussions with (City Treasurer) Mark Woods and Mark Woods had discussions with Johnson, Mackowiak," he replied, "and it was done for quite a number of years and last done in 2003."
As to whether the $250,000 from each fund covers the actual expenses for administering those funds, Dolce said it could be looked at in a couple different ways.
"If you were to have a separate water district or a separate wastewater district, you would have administrative costs. It's safe to say the administrative costs run at least 10 percent in either operation. Our numbers, our $250,000 admin fee from each fund, is lower, one significantly lower, than the 10 percent administration fee," he explained. "So we're very conservative. If you look back to the 2003 budget you'll see one fund, the water fund, contributed $300,000; and the wastewater fund contributed $200,000. So in 10 years we didn't account for any inflation, so we played it very conservative with those numbers."
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Good grief I leave for a couple of weeks and the place goes to hell in a hand basket... I think I'll keep my private spot a blank canvas thanks.... But my board hummm I can be a lil girly girl at times.... Shhh don't tell my buds
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Feb 8, 2013, 06:09 PM #12
Blank canvas huh..... Sorry!! LOL Oh god, please don't start the trend of bedazzling your board! HA HA HA
Feb 8, 2013, 06:57 PM #13
LMAO!! Probably should have thought about that a little before I posted that.... DOH!!
Disco Stu doesn't advertise....
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I almost forgot, I can hook up your board or sell you one of my already hooked up boards for like $93,000.00
I like to keep the pricing competitive.
$85,000.00 and you got yourself a deal!
Feb 9, 2013, 12:39 AM #17
Would bedazzling include a dead roach? When I was a kid, I remember browsing a used board aisle and passing over a longboard that had a small hole cut into the deck. Inside the hole was a dead roach that was glassed over. I will always credit the original owner for starting the "roach" no matter what. I wish we had camera phones back then.
Feb 9, 2013, 04:00 AM #18
no but i do surf in a bedazzled ladies one piece from time to time...
Feb 9, 2013, 11:51 AM #19
Lee, I thought saw u rocking those blinged out speedos. The sun reflection was killing me. LOL


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Well, not HuffPo per se, obviously. But they offer the surest vision of a CPM/CPC-driven New Media future (in caps, natch!). Let's peruse the so-called Huffington Post "Sports" page and tease out the two soccer-related headlines to get a sense of this rosy future where journalists get half of what they used to get to write stories one third of the length but at a minimum of 15 times a week.
WATCH: Women's Soccer Players Fight (Fake Sigi bait if there ever was any).
And quite a bit further down,
Cops: We Busted Soccer Coach While Drunk (This one refers to the Wizards' Peter Vermes' DUI. No I'm not going to provide links.)
First, let's mention the obvious: the Huffington Post is a ridiculous website. While its US legislative coverage is thorough and they're adept at hoovering up readable ex-Washington Post writers, this is the place for loud headlines about drunk starlets and videos of dogs wrestling with giraffes giant, accompanied by all-caps, hortative calls to WATCH.
But under the current model of web advertising-driven on-line revenue, this is all the mainstream public is going to know about American soccer: cheap titillation and scandal. And before you start pointing to quality on-line soccer journalism elsewhere on the web, keep in mind all the big boys are losing piles of money a day (like the Guardian), or are driven by independent interests without the resources to get the really cool stories.
Sorry but this sucks. And apologies again for my inability to stay away from this topic.


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A man was shot tonight around 7 p.m. in the area of Randolph Avenue and Harmon Street in Jersey City, police at the scene said.
The man was rushed to Jersey City Medical Center, but authorities have not confirmed the man's medical condition.
A local resident said he heard several shots, followed by many people running away from the scene.
Details on the shooting were not immediately available and calls to police officials were not immediately returned.


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STATEN ISLAND, N.Y. -- For most homeowners, spring can't arrive soon enough. This winter's prolonged deep freeze has put a strain on roofs, gutters, driveways and sidewalks. While a thaw is welcome, it may reveal problems that need immediate attention.
Experts will be on hand with solutions to winter woes at the Staten Island Home Improvement Contractors & Remodelers Showcase, taking place Saturday from 10 a.m. to 9 p.m. and Sunday from 11 a.m. to 6 p.m. at the Staten Island Mall, New Springville.
Marking its third year at the Mall, the event offers an opportunity for homeowners to talk with some of the area's most knowledgeable and respected experts in the home-improvement contracting and remodeling industries.
The 25 vendors to be featured at the two-day exhibition are members of the National Association of the Remodeling Industry-Staten Island Home Improvement Contractors Association (NARI-HIC), which fosters high standards of honesty, integrity, responsibility, quality workmanship and customer satisfaction.
NAR-HIC members are government licensed and insured in their respective trades, screened prior to acceptance into the organization and continually monitored for performance.
"Our vendors are looking forward to greeting the public at this year's showcase," said Lana Ruggiero Seidman, president of NAR-HIC of Staten Island.
A raffle will offer the chance to win a $500 gift certificate from participating vendors.
Visitors can meet with top professionals specializing in heating and air conditioning; concrete and pavers; plumbing; flooring; security systems and monitoring; kitchen and bath renovations; roofing and siding; windows and doors; insulation; screen rooms; fencing; chimney sweep, lawn sprinklers; swimming pool design, installation and maintenance and decor.
Steve Coppola is event chair.


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Deeplinks Blog posts about Patent Trolls
Yesterday, EFF filed an amicus brief at the Federal Circuit urging it to confirm that U.S. Patent No. 6,585,516 improperly claims ineligible abstract ideas. In the brief, we argue that the patent on using picture menus stored in a database to create meals should never have been granted in the first place. But more importantly, EFF argues that the Federal Circuit should confirm that quick, early decisions as to patent eligibility are vital to clearing our system of bad patents.
On September 9, 2009, a patent troll called Ultramercial sued a bunch of Internet companies alleging infringement of U.S. Patent 7,346,545. This patent claims a method for allowing Internet users to view copyrighted material free of charge in exchange for watching certain advertisements. Yes, you read that correctly. Ultramercial believed that it owned the idea of showing an ad before content on the Internet.
Update December 8, 2014: Today EFF, together with Engine Advocacy, filed public comments regarding the FTC's proposed consent agreement with MPHJ. We commend the FTC for taking action against this troll's deceptive conduct. At the same time, we urge the FTC to seek real penalties, such as disgorgement of licensing revenues secured through deception. We also request that the FTC take action against similar trolls such as the Innovatio IP Ventures, which sent thousands of deceptive letters to hotels and cafes demanding payment for using off-the-shelf Wi-Fi routers.
Update (Oct. 29, 2014): Yesterday, the Court granted [PDF] Capstone's Motion for Judgment on the pleadings, finding that all claims were invalid for claiming unpatentable subject matter, applying Alice v. CLS Bank. We're glad Capstone fought against these patents and achieved a total victory, despite the significant costs associated with doing so. We're also happy that the court decided this issue early, sparing the parties and the Court additional needless time and expense. We hope this decision motivates others to challenge stupid patents early.
Lumen View is a typical patent troll. Armed with a vague patent on "facilitating bilateral and multilateral decision-making," it sent out aggressive letters demanding payment. It refused to explain how its targets actually infringed its patent. Instead, it made shakedown offers it knew would be less than the cost of defending a lawsuit. When startup FindTheBest spoke up about Lumen View's tactics, the troll asked for a gag order.
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text: Sherman educator named bilingual teacher of year Luz Roth, who has taught at Sherman's Washington Elementary School for 20 years, was formally named Texas' 2016 Bilingual Education Teacher of the Year over the weekend. Awarded the title by the Texas Association for Bilingual Education, Roth was named the top teacher out of the more than 1,300 other nominees from across the state. Roth accepted her award in Galveston Saturday before the TABE Executive Board and selection committee. Washington Elementary Principal Amy Pesina said Roth is an outstanding educator and one who betters the performance of students and teachers alike... Oct 24 at 4:40 PM


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By Carl Kanefsky 1:11pm, May 2, 2014 - Updated 1:13pm, May 2, 2014
Darius WigginsDover Police arrest a man after finding him with 130 bags of heroin.
It was just before 5:00 Monday afternoon when officers were called to the area of McKee Road and College Road for a drug investigation.
When they arrived, they talked to 44 year old Darius Wiggins, and found him with the drugs.
Wiggins was arrested, and locked up at the Vaughn Correctional Center on lack of bail.
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Our community and our world are full of good things which you can do.
Isn't it great when doing good things turns out to be fun, entertaining and delicious, as well?
On April 26, beginning at 5:30 p.m., our local Audubon Center and Sanctuary invites you to spend an evening of wonderful food and good entertainment at Roberto's Restaurant, at the Ironstone, at 516 West Fourth St., in downtown Jamestown.
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In addition to fun and food, you get a chance to bid, in a combination of regular and silent auctions, on a large list of works of art, plus items of what seems like every kind under the sun.
Let me give you the details of the dinner, and then I'll tell you more about the Audubon Society.
It's usually wise to start with the facts.
I've already given the date, address and time. Let's look at buffet-style dinner which will be served:
I spoke with Kathleen Johnson, who is in charge of the food. ''The restaurant will be closed to all other parties, on April 26, so diners will have the place to ourselves,'' she told me.
''The doors will open at 5:30 p.m. That will be an opportunity to look over the items and experiences which are available for the silent auction,'' she said. ''Wine is included in the price of the dinner, but there will be a cash bar, for those who want something to drink other than wine.''
Ms. Johnson promises mouth-watering hors d'oeuvres while you're greeting your fellow diners and looking over the tempting items in the silent auction.
From 6 to 7 p.m. the main event of the evening's gustatory pleasures will take place. There will be a splendid buffet dinner prepared by the restaurant's chef.
''Expect to see roast duck as the main course, surrounded by rice pilaf, assorted vegetables, various pastas, green salad and bread,'' the food chairman reported.
Serving the wine which accompanies the dinner will be some very special waiters. Members of the Chautauqua Chamber Singers will be pouring the wine, while occasionally crooning for your entertainment.
''For dessert, we're planning to offer petit fours, those too-delicious little elaborate cakes,'' she ended. ''I think that there will be plenty to delight appetites of all types and sizes.''
We'll get to the auction in a moment. First, let me tell you that the tariff for all of this is $45 per person, although you can get a $5 discount if you pay by April 10.
Couples pay $85 for admission, with the same early-purchase discount.
Tables for six can be purchased for $240, with a $10 discount by the early purchase date.
Those who value the fine work of the Audubon Center are welcome to make donations of any amount, with special recognition at the $75 patron level, the $125 supporter level, and the $250 sponsor level.
Individuals or businesses which make these additional contributions will be recognized in the evening's printed program, which lets the entire community know that you're a supporter of culture, the arts, and the preservation of nature, and those are very good things for which to be known. Reservations must be made by April 19 so that reasonable planning may take place, so you still have some time to plan, but some advance thinking will be necessary.
Because we have to meet an early deadline, items and services are still pouring in to be auctioned at the gala. I met with the Audubon Center's president, Ruth Lundin, and she gave me an overview of the many things which have been donated at the time of this writing.
''Last summer, we sponsored an 'Art in the Woods' event,'' she told me. ''We asked the artists who showed their artwork at last summer's events if they would donate one example of their work for us to use as a fundraiser. So far, we have 45 original art works, including photographs, paintings, drawings, sculptures, collages, and other kinds of art, nearly all of which are focused upon nature.
''We understand, though, that not everyone wants to buy art and many people already have filled their homes with art and cannot add something without replacing something they already have,'' she continued.
Other items which will be sold range from nights or weekends at various bed and breakfast homes, a hunting trip with a skilled guide, and a professional chef who will come to your home and prepare a gourmet meal for a party of your friends. Among the night or weekend possibilities is a stay at the beautiful ''The Oaks,'' on West Second Street and at the Sheldon House, the mansion on the north side of town which belongs to Jamestown Community College.
''A woman in the area who is famous for gourmet pizzas will agree to prepare one of her masterpieces per month for a year, if you're the lucky bidder,'' Lundin offered. ''A local pilot who owns his own plane will take the high bidder on a flight to view our region at the height of the autumn leaf color.''
Other items available for purchase will include season gate passes to Chautauqua Institution, a beautifully-crafted writing desk, a spectacular rug and a window-sized stained glass panel which can be installed in your home, not just displayed on a table top.
Various baskets will be offered, including one which contains a variety of bottled spirits, and another which includes massage, Tai Chi, and various things and events oriented toward good health.
''There are smaller items, as well,'' the president continued. ''For example, a lighting store has donated a nightlight in the shape of a turtle, which is sure to be a hit with a child or a grandchild.''
The auctioneer for the live part of the auction will be Dave Johnson, who is famed not only for skill as an auctioneer, but for making it funny and entertaining while he's at it. And, his lovely wife plays ''Vanna,'' showing off all the wonderful things he's about to sell.
The items to be auctioned are expected to be up on the Audubon Center's web site by the time you're reading this. Check it all out at www.jamestownaudubon.org. Obviously, the restaurant is only so big, so seating at the gala is limited.
You may already have received a printed invitation in the mail. If so, fill in the RSVP card and return it to Audubon Center & Sanctuary, 1600 Riverside Road, Jamestown, NY, 14701.
If you haven't received an invitation and you want to attend, please phone the center at 569-2345 and they'll be glad to take your reservations.
It sounds to me as though you get a lovely meal, a variety of entertainments, a chance to bid of some wonderful things and opportunities, and a chance to spend the evening with some of our area's most interesting people. An event such as that is a work of art, in itself.
''On top of everything else,'' Lundin told me, ''Everyone will leave at the end of the evening with a gift. We promise, they'll be going out with a bang.'' Now, there's something to think about.
Naturally, all of these wonderful opportunities are designed to help out a very good cause. Here's a bit of history about the man named Audubon:
The Audubon Center takes its name from a man named Jean-Jacques Fougere Audubon. He was a French citizen, born in the French colony of Santa Domingue, which is today called Haiti, just a few years after the signing of the U.S. Constitution.
Audubon's father was an officer in the French navy, who had fought in the American Revolution on behalf of our country's independence from England, and had been captured and imprisoned by the British during the war.
At age three, Audubon emigrated from Haiti to France. However, 16 years later, when Napoleon Bonaparte made himself Emperor of France and set off to conquer the world, the 19-year-old Audubon moved to the United States, settling first in New York City, then moving to a farm near Philadelphia, which his father bought with the money gained by selling his sugar plantations in Haiti.
The new citizen learned to speak English at a Quaker school, at which he learned antique forms of English, such as using ''thee,'' and ''thou,'' instead of ''you,'' which he did on occasion, for the rest of his life. He Anglicized his name to John James Audubon, and began to extensively study nature and animal life, with a particular interest in birds.
The future naturalist met Lucy Bakewell, the daughter of his nearest neighbor in Pennsylvania, and desired to marry her, but if he did so without his father's permission, he risked being disinherited from his father's wealth.
Two years after leaving France, he returned, to get that permission, and to discuss his role in the family business. While he was in France, he met a famous naturalist and physician named Charles-Marie D'Orbigny, who taught him taxidermy and encouraged him to develop more scientific methods of research.
Returning to the U.S., Audubon sold most of his family's farm and used the money to open a store in Kentucky, which was just beginning to be settled by Europeans. Officially a shopkeeper, though, he spent much of his time collecting feathers, birds' nests, and other elements of his beloved nature study, and making elaborate collections of paintings and drawings of elements of nature, especially birds.
Life was hard for the young family in this period. On at least one occasion, he found that vermin had destroyed every nature painting he had made, though he stubbornly started over and built an even larger collection. His store and a connected import-export business declared bankruptcy in 1819. For a while, he earned his living drawing portraits of people on their death beds, as momentos for their descendants. There were periods in which the young family had nothing whatsoever to eat, beyond what he could catch by hunting and fishing.
Facing poverty, his wife advertised her talents as a teacher and eventually won a position in Louisiana, which included room and board for her and the family's children, which meant that they had to live separately for a while.
Audubon eventually moved to England, where he won support from wealthy Englishmen who were interested in his paintings and drawings of animal and bird life from America, which were largely unfamiliar to them. Among his supporters was King George IV.
Eventually, he was able to arrange for the publication of his best-known book, ''Birds of America.'' Sadly, because he insisted on the highest quality of printing and coloring, while the book earned more than $2 million in contemporary dollars, he spent nearly all of it on printing expenses.
After his death, his widow would sell many of his original copper plates to be melted down for scrap metal, to support herself and her children.
During his English days, his publisher suggested that if he would pose for a portrait, wearing frontier clothes, it would be a useful tool in attracting buyers and audiences for his lectures and demonstrations. The resulting painting, by John Syme, became well known, and today hangs in the White House.
Eventually, Audubon published two more books, from which he earned enough to buy a small farm near the Hudson River and to reunite with his wife and the two survivors of their four children. Unfortunately, he died soon after, at the age of 65.
Audubon's work has survived his death. He was quoted three times by name in Charles Darwin's ''Origins of the Species.'' His surviving paintings and drawings are found in some of the world's finest museums, and both the U.S. and Europe are dotted with parks, museums, wildlife refuges, streets, bridges, and other public works which are named for him.
He is considered a major contributor to the understanding of wildlife and anatomy, especially of birds.


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Medicare staff get health care discount the rest of us dream of
- From: News Corp Australia Network
- February 24, 2013
BUREAUCRATS running the public healthcare system have had their private health insurance subsidised by up to 30 per cent, while the best you're likely to get is 4 per cent off.
News Limited can reveal that about 1700 government-employed Medicare staff have been receiving a discount of 8.3 per cent from government-owned Medibank Private - plus a 21 per cent kicker.
Information on a members' page of the Community and Public Sector Union (CPSU) website says: "Prior to 2012, Medicare staff received two types of discount on private health insurance. All Medicare staff were eligible for a discount for a 8.3 per cent discount on Medibank Private insurance. Long-term employees, who worked when Medibank was part of Medicare (about 1700 staff), received an additional subsidy of about 21 per cent for Medibank Private insurance."
What is The Big Switch Campaign? Read more here
Last year a federal Department of Human Services (DHS) enterprise agreement "phased out the subsidy in favour of a new discount for all employees", the CPSU site continues.
"When the new Agreement came into effect, Medicare staff received a guarantee they would keep receiving their discount until the new discount scheme started, and for those 1700 long term employees, a one-off cash payment equal to 2 years (sic) worth of their individual subsidy, effectively continuing the subsidy until July 2014."
Commonwealth law prohibits private health insurance discounts of more than 12 per cent, but a DHS spokesman said the deal covering the 1700 Medicare workers was not in breach because the 21 per cent subsidy came from the employer.
Staff at big banks and universities also benefit from special deals not open to the rest of the community, as do members of unions and motoring groups.
Workers at Westpac are eligible for a discount of 12 per cent with HCF and 10 per cent with NIB.
Flinders University staff can get 10 per cent off from HBA, likewise ANU employees with BUPA. Curtin University staff have access to 8.3 per cent cheaper cover with Medibank.
The CPSU has arranged an 8.3 discount for employees at Centrelink, Child Support - as well as the DHS and Medicare. National Tertiary Education Union members are eligible for special rates with the Teachers Health Fund.
NRMA and RACQ members save 10 per cent with Australian Unity.
Yet the best an individual can hope for is about 4 per cent off - and that's only if they pay their whole premium a year in advance, or set up a direct-debit.
The Big Health Insurance Switch aims to win discounts on-par with those available to people connected to banks, universities, unions and motoring groups.
What is The Big Switch Campaign? Read more here
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Peter Posted at 2:11 PM February 24, 2013
Nice infomercial for one big switch. It amazes me how much they can get the media to write articles to make it seem like they're doing this out of the goodness of their own hearts and not for profit. Imagine if they did it for the good of the community, I wonder how much less we'd get an offer if the company making the offer didn't have to pay a commission? Do they choose an offer that gives them the highest commission?
Good Grief Posted at 1:40 PM February 24, 2013
Fair enough - Coles employees get discounts also
Rudolph Pitman Posted at 1:32 PM February 24, 2013
This makes no sense. Is the idea to force businesses to all have the same discount? Or to make the government give the same subsidies to all of its employees? If the former, then it's Medicare subsidized by business, which is just another redistribution tax, no thank you very much, and if the latter, well, all hell would break loose because it would be another redistribution tax, but paid only to public employees, and some businesses would continue to offer larger discounts...


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It was a scene of tragedy Tuesday night in Lower Mifflen, but also of compassion and friendship as area fire crews cleared the scene of a house fire on Shed Road.
Neighbors rushed to help the displaced couple of 515 Shed Road, offering them storage space for their possessions and condolences as firefighters began to clear the scene toward
"We've got some great neighbors," said a shell-shocked Aaron Hikes, 27, who lives in the house with his wife. "We'll be staying with [my wife's] family."
The fire started sometime before 10:36 p.m. when Hikes was sleeping, he said. His wife woke him up and he quickly took in the scene.
"The smoke alarm was going off and the power was out, so I ran into the garage and we saw the fire," he said. "I emptied two fire extinguishers into it then turned the hose on it; it gets pretty hazy after that."
Knowing the fire was quickly growing out of control, the couple grabbed their cat and fled the house, Hikes said. Brandie Batchelder, who lives next door, had already called 911.
"I actually saw them running out the back of the house when I was calling," she said. "I kept thinking, 'At least they're safe.'"
Hikes was not sure what started the fire, but he believes it began outside the garage. The blaze quickly engulfed the garage and was beginning to move into the house when the first firefighters arrived minutes later, said Newville Fire Company 47 Chief Joel Griffie.
"Half the house was on fire when we showed up," Griffie said. "It looks like it started in the garage, but we're not sure why. A state police fire marshal will probably be leading the investigation."
The garage and most of the roof on the garage side of the house appeared to have been burned away by the time crews had contained the fire. Smoke was still billowing up from the garage as firefighters swept the house and pulled away siding to secure the scene.
Brian Batchelder and his son helped Hikes carry armfuls of the couple's possessions and things spared by the fire into Batchelder's garage.
Wayne Wiser, Hikes' father-in-law, showed up around 11:30 p.m. and rushed up to Griffie, his eyes full of concern.
"I'm the father," he shouted over the rumble of the fire engines. "I'm looking for my daughter."
"Everybody's alright," Griffie said, pointing Wiser toward his daughter. "She's right over there."
Wiser quickly joined the Batchelders and Hikes in clearing the yard of possessions.
"The most important thing is they're alright," he said, lifting another box and starting toward Batchelder's house.


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Chicago Vocational High School
Chicago Vocational High School (CVS) is located on the far southeast side of Chicago in a middle-class residential neighborhood. The 99.9 percent African-American population of 2,384 come from all areas of the city. We offer the kind of personalized education the "one size fits all" approach of many American high schools cannot accommodate. We have redesigned our school into eight "mini-schools" to continually address the educational needs of our student populace. We are committed to creating a school culture which fosters intellectual inquiry, academic/vocational/technical excellence, as well as the spirit, will and preparation for continued learning.
The MacArthur Foundation has taken a keen interest in the extensive restructuring that Chicago Vocational has conducted over the past seven years. The foundation has been very supportive as Chicago Vocational High School stakeholders collaborated to implement a variety of reforms to improve teaching and learning. Through a MacArthur Challenge Grant, Chicago Vocational High School has been able to offer an on-going staff development program designed to improve the pedagogical skills of teachers so that the curriculum can be delivered in new and innovative ways. With the MacArthur funds, teachers have received monthly training in authentic instruction and assessment. As a result, students are presently enjoying a variety of inquiry-based projects that extend learning beyond the classroom.
The School Change and Inquiry Program is assisting Chicago Vocational High School in Tell Its Own Story via a digital portfolio. Chicago Vocational High School is conducting a self-analysis in the areas of teaching and learning practices at the school, student learning, progress and achievement, and Chicago Vocational High School as a learning community. Some specific topics our digital portfolio will include: Student Work...Student as a Worker...Peer Coaching...Interdisciplinary Units...Vocational Majors...Senior Final Exhibitions...Utilization of the Nine Common Principles of the Coalition of Essential Schools...Local School Council...Mini-Schools...Freshman Academies...Block Scheduling...Special Education Programs...Teacher as Coach...Awards & Accolades...Sports Programs and Community & Business Partnerships.
For more information, please contact:
Dr. Betty Despenza-Green, Principal
Chicago Vocational High School
2100 E. 87th St.
Chicago, IL 60617
773-535-6099 (Tel)
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Twenty years ago, James Franklin was considered one of the top dual-threat quarterbacks in Division II.
But Franklin, Penn State's first-year head coach, acknowledged the college game was significantly different when he starred at East Stroudsburg.
The Lions' offense in 2014 is expected to be diverse under Franklin and offensive coordinator John Donovan. PSU is deep at the running back (Zach Zwinak, Bill Belton, Akeel Lynch) and tight end (Jesse James, Kyle Carter, Adam Breneman) positions but much of the team's success will be tied sophomore quarterback Christian Hackenberg's right arm. Hackenberg, the 2013 Big Ten Freshman of the year, threw for 2,955 yards and 20 touchdowns a year ago.
Two decades earlier, Franklin passed for 2,586 yards and ran for another 500 while throwing 19 touchdown passes. He was a two-time All-Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference East selection.
"I think it's become a lot more multiple,'' Franklin said last week during a stop in Lancaster, asked to compare today's offensive football with the game he played at ESU.
"I look back and I would have loved to have been able to play in some of the offenses now. I was considered a dual-threat quarterback but dual-threat quarterbacks, very rarely were you ever designed a run (where) it was going to be a quarterback run.
"You dropped back and if you got pressure, you scrambled and you took off.
"Now, you know, people are using quarterbacks as another weapon in the running game. I just think things are so much more multiple than they have been in the past. Defenses are more multiple in how they're trying to attack you in different fronts and coverages and pressures and things like that. And offenses are trying to do the same thing.''
Even with Hackenberg under center, we could see some changes at the QB position, depending on the down and distance. The Lions tinkered with the wildcat offense in the spring, with Hackenberg lining up as a receiver and a runner (Belton) taking a direct snap.
Belton is one of two players on the Lions' offense who have some quarterback experience. The other is wideout Eugene Lewis, a Wyoming Valley West standout who threw a touchdown pass to wideout Matt Zanellato in the Blue-White game.
"Everybody's trying to kinda stay one step ahead of the game,'' Franklin said.
"That's where you see the wildcat offense. ... That's one of the things we're excited about.
"You have guys like (wideout) Geno Lewis, who was a high school quarterback (at Wyoming Valley West), which that showed up in the spring game and he was able to throw a touchdown pass.
"You got (running back) Bill Belton, who was a high school quarterback. I think one of the things with those wildcat offenses is, if those guys don't pose any threat to throw the ball at all, then you become a little bit predictable.
"And having those guys back there that have thrown the ball in game situations, you know, really causes stress on the defense.''