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Manny, it is better when the student is clever enough to change the tongue level to obtain the required result...but what do you do if he doesn't?
Manny, it is better when the student is clever enough to change the tongue level to obtain the required result...but what do you do if he doesn't?
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I think it is important to realize where the term "tongue level" came from. I believe that many many years ago in was believed that the "lips played the horn" In an effort to get students to get out of that thinking a prominent teacher invented the term tongue level exercise to get the thought off the lips and more on the air. The idea is that the tongue channels the air. It seems to me in seeing so many "discussions" on this topic over the years that this simple attempt at a paradigm shift has been quite blown out of proportion.
I think Manny said it best when he said, "when you whistle and change pitch your tongue moves...but to change the pitch you don't move your tongue, you just hear the pitch you want to go to." that is what happens when you play the trumpet. The real focus is on the air that is the whole original reason for inventing the term tongue level.... And even more important than that is focusing on the sound. air = sound.
Man, I must be bored this morning, sorry for the ramble...
Well, this is a delicate question because you're essentially asking about the difference between a talented student and one who is not. By talented I mean someone who naturally does what is necessary to produce the sounds on a trumpet. Now, talent producing a sound on a trumpet doesn't necessary mean great rhythm, intonation, phrasing sense... you see?
It is my very strong belief that a student with talent for the trumpet will do the tongue activities without being told how.
This does not mean that a talented student does not need refinement! We all do.
So today I gave "Manny's way" a shot, i.e. I used the "tOOh" syllable regardless of register. I really focused on that with the C trumpet...My experience has been almost exactly the same as yours and strangely enough starting to play a C with a good sound was also the catalyst. The key for me was in using 'TOH' as Manny has suggested and backing way off compared to the Bb.
The realisation for me, like you, was that physical strength has nothing to do with it. It's all about synchronisation and balance.
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The notes spoke a lot easier and with much more resonance. I almost had this sensation of just the very center of the lips vibrating inside the mpc with a very focused aperture. It took a little getting used to, but the sound on the C was finally there. Backing off also helped quite a bit.
Pictures Promenade on C that way sounded the best I've played it - much more in a singing style than I could manage before.
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Greetings! This is my first post on this site. As one of your former MYS trumpeters, I've heard you say this before about using Tooh in all registers and know that it works. Now, as a band director, I encounter far more students that struggle with sound production on the trumpet than those that are naturally talented. For those students that do need some kind direction for how to produce higher and lower notes, is there anything that you would say to them that would be effective but not encourage them to move their embouchures/lips/jaw, etc. (which is the problem I notice with many of my students - this is my first year in this school and there are lots of struggling trumpeters!). Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks!!
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Welcome aboard TM. I hope you enjoy it.
My experience tells me that when a student has trouble negotiating the upper register it rarely has anything to do with tongue level. It's generally a faulty embouchure or great tension caused by a preconceieved notion about what it takes to play trumpet.
If you have a kid that plays on the edge of one or both lips for no good reason, tongue level discussions will do no good. Teaching them to relax will do no good either. As I stated in this or another thread, if the embouchure is so corrupted as to inhibit any kind of decent vibrations, well, not much good will result.
I'm afraid you're in for some remedial work with the kids that don't have a proper embouchure. Withouht seeing the kids up close and personal I have little else to help you, I'm sorry to say. It would be pure guesswork on my part or anyone else's.
Good luck,
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Thanks Manny. I see what you're saying and understand the embouchure needs to be set up right for any of this to make sense.
I should have been more clear with my question - I mentioned too many different things. Originally I was thinking more about beginners. Is there anything that you would say to beginners to help get them started with finding the different partials? Thanks again!
Here is my take on it:
Having the correct resonance in the mouth and throat will help you pitch a note correctly first time. The only way to change the resonance is tongue position. Learning this made my playing much more reliable in the mid register.
BUT you can't do the tongue level thing if you are tongueing the notes. In factthe person who taught me also emphasised the use of the consonant "H" and attacking the note from the diaphragm mainly rather than the tongue.
You also have to be very careful not to overdo it or you strangle notes in the upper register.
I use it as an aid to hitting notes that might be a likely mispitch.
If you look at the first three notes of Verdi's "La Forza Del Destino" (its three solo F sharps on a Bb trumpet) I play that mainly fron the diaphragm and use the tongue to shape the end of the note.
If I get the tongue level right its unlikely I will be able to mispitch the note.
With all respect, Gordon, I would never approach teaching a beginner in that way and that's what, now, I understand Mr.G to be dealing with specifically.
Once again, upon looking at a beginner and seeing that the basic embouchure is relatively normal and uneccentric, I would use ear-based exercises to motivate the student to play. Lots of singing and use of the mouthpiece (playing familiar tunes, bugle calls) as the real instrument. The ear finds a way eventually and some students are a quicker than others. Then, there's the realization that some kids are simply more talented and muscal than others, Mr. G. Not everyone's cut out to be a trumpeter.
Let me also clear up some mischaracterization about body parts while I'm at it. The reference to the diaphragm as a part of any sound producing mechanism is a common mistake most people make because it's been done for such a long time. Singing teachers where the first to mischaracterize it and it's hard correct.
The diaphragm, like every other muscle, only works when it's contracting. It contracts as we take in air. In fact, that is its primary function, to serve as the basic music of inhalation not exhalation.
What you were reallt describing was the inner, secondary layer of abdominal muscles that contract as we expel air. Those are "invisible" to us but serve as the muscles that support tones whne we blow out. That's what you were describing rather than the diaphragm. When we blow, the diaphragm is in a state of relaxation and retunring gradually to it's state of non-contraction, readying itself for the next breath/contraction. It's during that, that the abdominal muscles are conrtracting, helping us get the air out.
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The Team GB squad looks in good shape to defend their European Maccabi Games Football Trophy in Spain this weekend.
Managed by UJS Norstar A's Phil Peters and his assistant Jamie Slavin, GB looked in top shape in two warm-up friendlies this week. Nicky Woolf was the star. The North London Raiders striker hit four against UJS Norstar and five against London Maccabi Lions B. Jeff Gotch, Mitch Lassman, Jerome Marks (2) and Laurence Judah, Joel Lassman and skipper Lewis Blitz also registered.
Although preparations for the trip have gone gone, the group were dealt a blow when keeper Ziggy Lichman and Jonny Kaye withdrew.
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Slavin commented: "We know the Spanish and Germans will be tough to beat but confidence is sky high and there's still more to come."
The EMFT is clearly the poor relation behind the Maccabiah Games, European Maccabi Games and Pan American Games, but I believe that it remains important as it gives an opportunity to boys who may not otherwise taste international Jewish football. It's also a great opportunity to test themselves against fellow Jews from around the continent.
● Two MSFL stalwarts have bid farewell to the league. Southgate Harmen midfielder and club captain Jonathan Hirshler has retired. A servant of the club for 17 years, Hirshler, 32, surprised many at the club by hanging up his boots following the 2-0 win over Oakwood. One of the founder members of the club, Hirshler has decided to spend more time with his two boys on Sunday mornings after helping to guide Harmen from Division Five to what they hope will be the top level of Jewish football next season.
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Can deny Akali in trades as she goes to last hit due to superior AD damage.
Can reveal her from her shroud with his E.
Can slow her to deny CS and to put pressure on her in lane.
He is not easy to gank if laning or counter-jungle if jungling.
His E will reveal Shaco if he knows one is lurking.
Has more damage in a straight up trade with Shaco unless caught by boxes.
Using kick can disrupt Wukong's team fight or lane pressure as his ultimate is left to waste.
When Wukong uses decieve Lee Sin can reveal him with E to make sure he cannot get away.
Has amazing sustain in the jungle so hard for Lee to go and bully him.
If Lee is caught in Trundle's jungle he can trap him with his pillar which slows Lee until Trundle's team mates respond.
Udyr is a gank heavy jungler so needs to be shut down.
Hard to shut down due to tanky shield and sustain in the jungle.
Rapid clear times so cannot steal buffs unless timed.
Has high early game damage and may play aggressively.
If Renekton goes aggro on your top laner pay attention and try to gank early.
His ultimate can shut down the execute on Lee Sin's Q.
Lee Sin is a champion who is strongest in the early game. He is a champion played mainly in lane, even if he is sometimes played in top and mid lane. Lee Sin is an extremely powerful champion in the ganks in the early game and has one of the best engages in the early game. If he hits someone with his Q combined with the red then it's a sure flash or even a kill.
Shyvana is a champion who clears the jungle extremely well, giving you a big advance over Lee Sin. However you will need a good vision of the map to prevent ganks because Shyvana isn't very good in the early game with ganks but can counter gank well. It is possible to kill him in 1v1 since he will probably be behind and Shyvana is one of the best champions in 1v1. Don't hesitate to counter jungle Lee Sin to have a vision of what he is doing and slow him in his jungle.
Like Shyvana, Udyr is a champion who farms the jungle extremely well (especially in Phoenix) and has an unusual speed. His shield will also allow you to tank some of Lee Sin's damage and to do short trades. Don't hesitate to counter jungle as much as possible to slow Lee Sin in his farming. It is best to concentrate on farming and holding the lane until mid game. Warn your allies to play safe and ward as much as possible to prevent a successful gank from Lee Sin.
Jarvan IV
Like Lee Sin, Jarvan IV is a champion who is extremely good at ganking. Jarvan IV is very mobile which allows him to gank a huge amount, just like Lee Sin. In 1v1 your passive and shield will make the difference when it comes to Lee Sin. I recommend you take some tanky items, allowing you to very easily protect your carry from Lee Sin and win in the long trades against him. Once in the late game Lee Sin will have less and less of an impact on the game!
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When Katelynne Delaney, 27, and Clarke Gilbert, 29, got engaged in April of 2012, they knew they'd need to start planning right away in order to make their dream of a spring wedding come true. "We really wanted to get married outdoors, so we had to find a venue right away!" Katelynne remembers. Thankfully, the bride already had her eye on The Horticulture Center—and their only available date in the spring of 2013 was the day the couple was hoping for, May 3rd!
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Katelynne knew she wanted to wear a lace dress to go along with her wedding's soft, romantic theme. She fell in love with a Monique Lhuillier design, and set out to find it in person. The bridal salon she visited didn't have it in their store, but they ordered it for her so she could try it on. "The sample was straight off the runway, so I had to squeeze into it," says Katelynne. "It was just as beautiful as I'd hoped!" She nixed the veil in favor of a few sparkling hair pins and a beaded belt.
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Katelynne carried a soft pastel bouquet of pink, white, and lavender hydrangeas, peonies, ranunculus, lavender, and amnesia roses. The stems were wrapped with a piece of lace from Katelynne's gown, as well as a gold locket holding a picture of the bride's late aunt.
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Clarke and Katelynne knew they wanted to host their late spring wedding outdoors, so they sought out a venue that had both indoor and outdoor spaces. The floral altar was set up at the end of a flagstone path leading to a reflecting fountain, flooded with sunlight.
The hydrangea, peony, and rose-covered arch perfectly framed the couple's traditional Christian ceremony, accompanied by an acoustic guitarist.
"The Horticulture Center was the first venue we looked at," says Katelynne. "It has everything we wanted, and there's nothing else like it in Philadelphia."
Indoors, beneath a glass roof and hanging plants, were rows of wooden tables. "We wanted the reception to feel like dinner in a family member's backyard—magical, natural, and comfortable," says Katelynne. Low centerpieces and family-style dining brought the couple's vision to life.
Centerpieces in wooden boxes, stone pots, and mercury glass were filled with cream, lavender, blush, and green hydrangeas, stock flowers, peonies, lilac, seeded eucalyptus, roses, and ranunculus. Pillar candles warmed up the room, lighting table numbers painted on ivory cards. Each guest's seat was marked with a tag tied to a sprig of lavender.
Katelynne and Clarke shared their first dance to Ray LaMontagne's "You Are the Best Thing." Katelynne let her hair down for the evening reception, but left in her hair pins for a touch of sparkle.
The family-style dinner featured roasted asparagus with truffle vinaigrette, beef tenderloin with spring mushrooms, and pan-seared scallops. "The menu was super important to us," says the bride. "We made sure to include something for everybody and give our guests a farm-to-table dining experience."
Guests looked on as the bride and groom shared dances with their parents. Katelynne and her father danced to "I Loved Her First" by Heartland, followed by Clarke and his mother, who danced to "Because You Loved Me" by Celine Dion.
Family-style desserts and a cake display replaced the traditional wedding cake. Guests were served macarons and fruit tarts in addition to dark chocolate and caramel mousse, milk chocolate and hazelnut, white chocolate and raspberry, and lemon mousse cakes.
"I'll never forget the moment as the sun set over the reception," says Katelynne," when I had a chance to take the whole thing in and thank my father for helping me make my wedding dreams come true. It was all I could hope for and more!"
Katelynne and Clarke honeymooned in St. Barths before returning home to Philadelphia. "The day was perfect," she says. "I'm so glad we put such an effort into making it the day we'd always dreamed of, and took the time to enjoy every moment!"
Ceremony & Reception Venue: The Horticulture Center || Bride's Wedding Dress: Monique Lhuillier, from The Wedding Shoppe || Shoes: Jimmy Choo || Hair: Holly Antonelli || Makeup: Samantha Barnett || Bridesmaids' Dresses: Amsale || Groom's Suit: Henry A. Davidsen || Groomsmen's Suits: Mr. T's Tuxedos || Wedding Rings: Milanj Diamonds || Florist: Fleur De Lis || Music: Ripcord || Catering: Stephen STARR Events || Rentals: Party Rental Ltd., Maggpie Vintage Rentals || Lighting & Sound: Eventions Productions || Videography: Be Films || Photography: JWstudio


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Christmas is over, and as 2014 draws to close we look forward to a New Year. It's that time of year when many people make New Year's resolutions.
Northside Christian adds service
Due to increased attendance, Northside Christian Church in Vandalia will begin holding an additional Sunday morning service on Dec. 7.
The new service times are 8 a.m. and 10:30 a.m., with Sunday school at 9:30 a.m.
Northside Christian offers a blend of traditional and contemporary music in a casual atmosphere. For more information, call 283-1970.
Methodist Christmas cantata is Sunday
This year's Operation Christmas Child netted 2,322 shoe boxes of Christmas items. Last week, members of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes at Vandalia Community High School loaded the boxes into a trailer for transport.
First United Methodist Church in Vandalia served as the relay center of Fayette and Montgomery counties. Operation Christmas Child is a worldwide children's project of Samaritan's Purse that used gift-filled shoe boxes to let hurting boys and girls know that they are loved and not forgotten.
By Charlene M. Jett
It is the time of the year that we need to remember the reason for the season of celebration and history of Evergreen Outreach.
The foundation of Evergreen Outreach is based in the Bible (Mathew 25:40), which inspired Phyllis Rames (the founder) more than 45 years ago. It means that whatever you do to the least of these, you have done to me (Christ). It points to Christ's life of kindness and mercy, which we are to emulate.
By Charlene M. Jett
I hardly know where to start – our Veterans Day speakers were so inspirational!
But let me do some housekeeping first. Pastor James Fackler was our leader and Donna Smith our pianist. We sang our regular welcome and Outreach songs, and need to give special thanks to Donna for not complaining about our out-of-tune voices. We sang "Happy Birthday" to Tonya Stout and Hope Holffstatler. We welcomed a newcomer, Beulah Nichols, and were saddened to hear about Marvin Stall of FAYCO becoming ill.
First United Methodist Church in Vandalia is again hosting Operation Christmas Child for this year, with collections being accepted beginning on Monday.
The church, located at 127 N. Fouth St., is the Vandalia Relay Center for Operation Christmas Child, through which shoe boxes from both Fayette and Montgomery counties are accepted.
Operation Christmas Child is a worldwide children's project of Samaritan's Purse that used gift-filled shoe boxes to let hurting boys and girls know that they are loved and not forgotten.
By Charlene M. Jett
My vocabulary isn't large enough to describe the fantastic, awesome meeting we had today. It was really great! In case you didn't make the meeting, let me describe it for you.
Throughout 2014, I have been encouraging both of the churches I pastor to focus on discipleship. And I've been using the term "transformational discipleship." Let's take a look at what those two words mean.
New ministry for mothers, children
A new ministry for mothers with babies and young children is now offered at Parkview Free Methodist Church.
Called "22:6 Playgroup," the faith-based group will meet from 6-8 p.m. Its name is derived from Proverbs 22:6, which says: "Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it."
For more information, look up the group on Facebook or call the church at 283-0799.
Veterans' Outreach Center has moved
By Charlene M. Jett
The credit for our lovely piano music goes to Betty Stolte. Her fingers were on key and very limber, and moved like greased lightning, creating great music for our hearts. Beulah Brown was our leader today and led us in singing Happy Birthday to Mark Floyd, Lucy Brumfield, Henrietta Eggers, Gordon Schell, Chad Doll, Alacia LeSure and Brad Elmore. We sang in two styles – regular and according to Pastor Jim Fackler and Joan.
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Anderson Cooper missed out on a Teachable Moment
While perusing the hilarious Awesomely Luvvie's site, I came across a clip of Anderson Cooper fussing out the self-professed "Human Barbie" Sarah Burge on his show. Ms. Burge has had HALF A MILLION DOLLARS worth of plastic surgery to look like a Barbie doll. And she's now passing on her body image issues to her seven-year-old daughter by teaching the young girl to pole dance and buying the child a voucher for liposuction and breast implants to cash in at 18 years old. After Ms. Burge explained to Anderson that she allows her daughter to get forehead botox shots to prevent sweating in order to prevent the child from buying botox online and self-administering it, Anderson kindly asked Ms. Burge to have a seat. On someone else's couch. In someone else's studio. Cause he was done talking to her. Watch Anderson tell her that she aint got to go home, but:
SARAH BURGE: I would prefer to actually oversee my daughter's botox than actually have her going underground to a voodoo witchdoctor or in fact getting it off the internet and administering it herself.
ANDERSON COOPER: Right. Um. I honestly have nothing more to talk to you about, I've got to be honest. I've got to be honest. I've got to just stop. I'm sorry. I try to be really polite to all of my guests, I just think you're dreadful and I honestly don't want to talk to you anymore.
Sheesh! The old adage is "kill them with kindness," Coop, not "kill them kindly"! But on the one hand, I feel Lil Andy. There are very good reasons to be angry with Ms. Burge. While she is an adult and is free to mutilate her body how she chooses, passing those insecurities on to her impressionable child is absolutely "dreadful," as Anderson said and ought to fall under the legal definition of child abuse. But clearly this woman is ill. And Anderson seems like a perfectly nice (and dreamy!) man who is genuinely interested in helping people in need. So what went wrong in this interview? Here was a great opportunity for Anderson to try to get to the bottom of what's really good (or really bad) with Ms. Burge but he blew it. He claimed in his "explanation" video that he was frustrated with Ms. Burge because she wouldn't answer his questions truthfully and seemed to only be there for publicity. But it seemed like the normally calm Anderson came to this interview prepared for battle:
It's also very hard to open up to someone who is standing up on the stairs with a giant audience/mob, looking down on you. If he wanted to ask some tough questions while also letting her know she was in a safe place, that he cared about her and her daughter, he should've gone full Oprah:
Coming down to this woman's level — literally sitting next to her and WITH her — talking to her and not AT her could have changed the entire course of this interview. Instead of publicly humiliating this already hurting woman, Anderson could have started her out on a path to real healing that would've benefited both her and her daughter. Though things might not get any worse for Ms. Burge as a result of this interview, things were certainly not improved for her mental and emotional state. But while Anderson may have completely lost his opportunity to have a positive impact on her life, it's not too late for us to take advantage of this teachable moment*.
Think back: When was the last time you approached someone (loved one/friend/complete stranger) while they were doing something completely trifling? What was the result? Please note: when I ask what the result was, I do not mean "did the person change his/her behavior?" Whether the behavior is changed is between the person and God and the Holy Spirit who is the only one who can change a person's heart. No, the result to monitor is how the person felt when your conversation was finished. Did the person feel loved and like you truly cared for him/her, even if you disagree? Or did the person walk away like Ms. Burge, feeling dismissed and judged and embarrassed with your evil side-eye burning into her back? Remember: Christ's two commands of Christians are to "Love God and love your neighbor as yourself." Speaking to someone "in love" is a skill to be mastered — balancing both truth and gentleness that is packaged in such a way that the person will be open to receiving what you have to say.
What does your fruit look like when you come across people who are doing trifling things? The "fruits of the Spirit" — evidence that the Holy Spirit is alive in you — are "love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control." Was there peace after your conversation was over –on both sides — or was there turmoil and hurt feelings?
Even in the midst of our own triflingness, God is patient with us. The evidence of this is that we're STILL ALIVE when He could've easily not woken us up this morning or spared us from whatever evil was coming up against us that we weren't even aware of. Just as God is patient with us, let's practice patience with each other, praying for others instead of dismissing them as lost causes. Just as God did the impossible — changed us and broke us of our harmful and destructive ways — He can do the same for others!
How Do You Deal With Trifling Folk?
*Rest In Peace, Dr. Freddye Davy! She Is The Woman Who Taught Me What a Teachable Moment Was And Took Every Opportunity to Point Them Out To Me!


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The Mease campaign reached out to Cranford teens through Facebook and Twitter, offering to guide first time voters through the registration process. Because many of the teens in attendance will be headed to college soon, they had questions and concerns about the Vote by Mail process. Mease clarified the steps that need to be taken for the new voters to have their vote count in November.
The most important message that Mease had for his young audience was to learn about the issues; make an informed choice; and cast a vote for the candidate who would best serve the community. He further explained that these same principles could be applied to every election; from the local to the national level and that every vote counts.
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HUNTSVILLE, Alabama - A national election law expert says it should be easy for four Alabama counties to prove that having more registered voters than Census-counted residents isn't their fault.
Hans von Spakovsky, a former U.S. Justice Department elections attorney, member of the Federal Election Commission and senior legal fellow at the Heritage Foundation, spoke in a Tuesday interview about reports four Alabama counties have more registered voters than residents counted in the latest Census. Von Spakovsky grew up in Huntsville and was visiting family in the city this week.
"They can lay out what they've done" to follow federal election law, Von Spakovsky told AL.Com. "When is the last time they sent out the U.S. Postal Service mailing?"
Von Spakovsky referred to a requirement that election officials periodically send a mailout to every registered voter. The Post Office returns all that can't be delivered because, for example, the person no longer lives at that address. Checking the returned mail against the voter list is one clear way to clean up the list, Von Spakovsky said.
Von Spakovsky agreed with Alabama Secretary of State Jim Bennett that the discrepancies create "the opportunity to commit fraud." It doesn't necessarily mean there has been fraud, he said, but the opportunity would be there.
That fraud chance gets less this year when voters have to provide I.D. at the polling place beginning with the June 3 primaries. Alabama's new voter I.D. law takes effect this year.
Updated at 3:30 p.m. to note that Von Spakovsky was in Huntsville to visit family.


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CASCADE TOWNSHIP -- Former astronaut Mark Kelly told students at West Michigan Aviation Academy Wednesday morning that their education is giving them what it takes to be tomorrow's leaders in aviation.
Kelly, who drew national recognition after an assassination attempt was made on his wife, former U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, recalled how at age 22 he was just learning how to operate aircraft and said many of the academy's students already are ahead of where he was at their age.
"When I was your age, I didn't know anything about aviation," Kelly said. "It's great to be around a bunch of smart kids who have a specific interest in airplanes."
Kelly's appearance came on the same day the Gerald R. Ford International Airport Board approved a $4 million to $5 million expansion of the academy, located at the airport at 5363 44th St.
Founded by businessman Dick DeVos, the school began with 80 freshmen and now has about 145 students. It needs more space for next year's junior class and future seniors. The expansion will allow the school to accommodate 600 students.
During his discussion, Kelly spoke about how practice and perseverance helped him become a pilot, what it's like to fly in space, his experience flying combat missions in the Gulf War, and the future of the space program.
He said that while NASA may not be building shuttles to send astronauts into space anytime soon, there is a future in space exploration, especially in private industry.
"I made a goal to be the first man to walk on Mars," Kelly joked. "I didn't make it. Maybe you guys can."
DeVos thanked Kelly for coming to the school and said his emphasis on determination and practice was an inspiration to students.
"We can overcome our challenges, we can overcome what's put before us with perseverance," DeVos said.
He said Kelly's appearance was an excellent addition to what is already a big day for the academy.
Administrators are planning on connecting the current 25,000-square-foot building to a new, two-story, 46,000-square-foot building that would include a gym, additional classrooms and a commons area.
What was important about Kelly's speech was his ability to "show students what their true potential is in this world," DeVos said.
After his speech, Kelly took questions from students. Many asked him what it was like to throttle through the atmosphere aboard the space shuttle.
"It's like you're on a runaway train going 1,000 miles per hour," he said.
Kelly is also the keynote speaker at Wednesday's Fifth Third Bank's annual Business Leadership Forum luncheon.


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Pinching is removing the stem tips of a young plant to promote branching. Doing this avoids the need for more severe pruning later on.
Thinning involves removing whole branches back to the trunk. This may be done to open up the interior of a plant to let more light in and to increase air circulation that can cut down on plant disease. The best way to begin thinning is to begin by removing dead or diseased wood.
Shearing is leveling the surface of a shrub using hand or electric shears. This is done to maintain the desired shape of a hedge or topiary.
Rejuvenating is removal of old branches or the overall reduction of the size of a shrub to restore its original form and size. It is recommended that you do not remove more than one third of a plant at a time. Remember to remove branches from the inside of the plant as well as the outside. When rejuvenating plants with canes, such as nandina, cut back canes at various heights so that plant will have a more natural look. Conditions : Full Sun Full Sun is defined as exposure to more than 6 hours of continuous, direct sun per day.
Pruning deciduous shrubs can be divided into 4 groups: Those that
require minimal pruning (take out only dead, diseased, damaged, or
crossed branches, can be done in early spring.); spring pruning
(encourages vigorous, new growth which produces summer flowers - in other words,
flowers appear on new wood); summer pruning after flower (after
flowering, cut back shoots, and take out some of the old growth, down to the
ground); suckering habit pruning (flowers appear on wood from previous
year. Cut back flowered stems by 1/2, to strong growing new shoots and remove
1/2 of the flowered stems a couple of inches from the ground) Always remove dead, damaged or diseased wood first, no matter what type of pruning you are doing.
Examples: Minimal: Amelanchier, Aronia, Chimonanthus, Clethra, Cornus alternifolia, Daphne, Fothergilla, Hamamelis, Poncirus, Viburnum. Spring: Abelia, Buddleia, Datura, Fuchsia, Hibiscus, Hypericum, Perovskia, Spirea douglasii/japonica, Tamarix. Summer after flower: Buddleia alternifolia, Calycanthus, Chaenomeles, Corylus, Cotoneaster, Deutzia, Forsythia, Magnolia x soulangeana/stellata, Philadelphus, Rhododendron sp., Ribes, Spirea x arguta/prunifolia/thunbergii, Syringa, Weigela. Suckering: Kerria How-to : Planting Shrubs Dig a hole twice the size of the root ball and deep enough to plant at the
same level the shrub was in the container. If soil is poor, dig hole even wider
and fill with a mixture half original soil and half compost or soil
Carefully remove shrub from container and gently separate roots. Position in center of hole, best side facing forward. Fill in with original soil or an amended mixture if needed as described above. For larger shrubs, build a water well. Finish by mulching and watering well.
If the plant is balled-and-burlapped, remove fasteners and fold back the top of natural burlap, tucking it down into hole, after you've positioned shrub. Make sure that all burlap is buried so that it won't wick water away from rootball during hot, dry periods. If synthetic burlap, remove if possible. If not possible, cut away or make slits to allow for roots to develop into the new soil. For larger shrubs, build a water well.
Finish by mulching and watering well.
If shrub is bare-root, look for a discoloration somewhere near the base; this mark is likely where the soil line was. If soil is too sandy or too clayey, add organic matter. This will help with both drainage and water holding capacity. Fill soil, firming just enough to support shrub. Finish by mulching and watering well.
Prevention and Control: Plant resistant varieties and provide maximum air circulation. Clean up all debris, especially around plants that have had a problem. Do not water from overhead and water only during the day so that plants will have enough time to dry before night. Apply a fungicide labeled for rust on your plant. Pest : Scale Insects Scales are insects, related to mealy bugs, that can be a problem on a wide variety of plants - indoor and outdoor. Young scales crawl until they find a good feeding site. The adult females then lose their legs and remain on a spot protected by its hard shell layer. They appear as bumps, often on the lower sides of leaves. They have piercing mouth parts that suck the sap out of plant tissue. Scales can weaken a plant leading to yellow foliage and leaf drop. They also produce a sweet substance called honeydew (coveted by ants) which can lead to an unattractive black surface fungal growth called sooty mold.
Prevention and Control: Once established they are hard to control. Isolate infested plants away from those that are not infested. Consult your local garden center professional or Cooperative Extension office in your county for a legal recommendation regarding their control. Encourage natural enemies such as parasitic wasps in the garden.
Although many people believe that cooler temperatures are responsible for the color change, the weather has nothing to do with it at all. As the days grow shorter and the nights longer, a chemical clock inside the trees starts up, releasing a hormone which restricts the flow of sap to each leaf. As fall progresses, the sap flow slows and chlorophyll, the chemical that gives the leaves their green color in the spring and summer, disappears. The residual sap becomes more concentrated as it dries, creating the colors of fall. Glossary : Low Maintenance Low maintenance does not mean no maintenance. It does mean that once a plant is established, very little needs to be done in the way of water, fertilizing, pruning, or treatment in order for the plant to remain healthy and attractive. A well-designed garden, which takes your lifestyle into consideration, can greatly reduce maintenance. Glossary : Sandy Loam Sandy Loam refers to a soil that drains well, with excellent air space, and evenly crumbled texture when squeezed in the hand. A good workable garden soil that benefits from added fertilizer and proper watering. Dark gray to gray-brown in color. Glossary : Deciduous Deciduous refers to those plants that lose their leaves or needles at the end of the growing season. Glossary : Evergreen Evergreen refers to plants that hold onto their leaves or needles for more than one growing season, shedding them over time. Some plants such as live oaks are evergreen, but commonly shed the majority of their older leaves around the end of January. Glossary : Perennial Perennial: traditionally a non-woody plant that lives for two or more growing seasons. Glossary : Seed Start Seed Start: easily propagated from seed. Glossary : Flower Characteristics Flower characteristics can vary greatly and may help you decide on a ""look or
feel"" for your garden. If you're looking for fragrance or large, showy flowers,
click these boxes and possibilities that fit your cultural conditions will be
shown. If you have no preference, leave boxes unchecked to return a greater
number of possibilities. Glossary : Foliage Characteristics By searching foliage characteristics, you will have the opportunity to look
for foliage with distinguishable features such as variegated leaves, aromatic
foliage, or unusual texture, color or shape. This field will be most helpful to you if
you are looking for accent plants. If you have no preference, leave this
field blank to return a larger selection of plants. Glossary : Landscape Uses By searching Landscape Uses, you will be able to pinpoint plants that are best suited for particular uses such as trellises, border plantings, or foundations. Glossary : Viruses Viruses, which are smaller than bacteria, are not living and do not replicate on their own. They must rely on the cellular mechanisms of their hosts to replicate. Because this greatly disrupts the cell's functionality, outward signs of a viral infection result in a plant disease with symptoms such as abnormal or stunted growth, damaged fruit, discolorations or spots.
Prevention and Control: Keep virus carriers such as aphids, leafhoppers, and thrips under control. These plant feeding insects spread viruses. Viruses can also be introduced by infected pollen or through plant openings (as when pruning). Begin by keeping the pathogen out of your garden. New plants should be checked, as well as tools and existing plants. Use only certified seed that is deemed disease-free. Plant only resistant varieties and create a discouraging environment by rotating crops, not planting closely related plants in the same area every year. Glossary : Fertilize Fertilize just before new growth begins with a complete fertilizer.


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Top Five Reasons to Stop Animal Testing
Poisoning, shocking, burning, and killing animals is all in a day's work for vivisectors. If these atrocious acts were committed outside laboratories, they would be felonies. But animals suffer and die every day in laboratories with little or no protection from cruelty. Here are the top five reasons why it needs to stop:
1. It's unethical to sentence 100 million thinking, feeling animals to life in a laboratory cage and intentionally cause them pain, loneliness, and fear.
2. It's bad science. The Food and Drug Administration reports that 92 out of every 100 drugs that pass animal tests fail in humans.
3. It's wasteful. Animal experiments prolong the suffering of people waiting for effective cures by misleading experimenters and squandering precious money, time, and resources that could have been spent on human-relevant research.
4. It's archaic. Forward-thinking scientists have developed humane, modern, and effective non-animal research methods, including human-based microdosing, in vitro technology, human-patient simulators, and sophisticated computer modeling, that are cheaper, faster, and more accurate than animal tests.
5. The world doesn't need another eyeliner, hand soap, food ingredient, drug for erectile dysfunction, or pesticide so badly that it should come at the expense of animals' lives.
For everyday ways to keep animals out of cruel experiments, see PETA's list of surprising ways to help animals in laboratories.
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I would never work in a lab like that and this is not the way how we can benefit human species
Cruel act. Heartless human.
animal researcher, I truly hope Karma comes back to get you big time. How do you sleep at night with innocent blood on your hands?
Human Volunteers. There are people who need the money and would test for the right price. Then, atleast, we'll know it does or doesnt work on us. These animals feel. They can't say what hurts anyway, not the way a person can. If you wouldn't want it done to you, don't do it to animals!
To be completely honest, anything that has to be tested on anything, whether it passes or not, should never be consumed by anything. I am a firm believer of consuming whole organically raised foods and drinking lots of fresh clean water. And most importantly stop consuming sugar. If you follow this lifestyle, you should live a pretty decent healthy life without the need for medicine.
Animal testing is so sickening. We get so many diseases from eating meat and the hormones that factory farms feet to animals, and then we test animals to try to find a cure when the cure is already at the end of our forks. What kind of people are we?
Enrichment? Really? What planet are you living on animal researcher? Why don't you use prisoners and violent criminals for your research and leave the innocent, helpless and defenseless animals alone!
It amazes me how many cruel two legged animals there are in this world. Makes me sick…..
#4 doesn't make a case against animal research either. In vitro methods are often extremely fallible. The majority of in vitro research actually requires harvesting cells from animals. There are cases where in vitro research has replaced or been validated as better indicators for very specific things though than old animal methods. If there were an accurate in vitro model for everything, then there would be no need for animal research–but that's just not the case. IMHO animal research actually provides us with the knowledge we need to develop accurate in vitro models. Computer modeling is almost totally useless. Even in electrical engineering things which are designed in simulation software fails to operate as predicted. Also, in life sciences, models are based on known phenomenon and can only be used to study exactly what they are meant to model. If something new is detected as the result of running a simulation, then it needs to be tested in an empirical experiment to see if the result is real or simply the result of a model that is either inaccurate or too simple.
#3 is also misleading. Animal research is not the only research that produces results that squander "precious time, money, and resources". I'd estimate that in vitro experiments that produce results that contradict each other have been published in the thousands. To make matters worse the bulk of these studies often fail to produce the expected results in the organism of interest. I've seen no shortage of papers where the observed results end up being the exact opposite of what actually ends up happening in a living creature. Going from in vitro to the host animal is no less a predictive mess than going from an animal to a human.
#2 is not an entirely true statement. The true part is that during the years of that were analyzed (which aren't current, btw) 92% of drugs that went to clinical trials were not approved. The false part is that not all of these drugs were developed in animal models–many of them were deemed effective based on their performance in "high-tech/humane" in vitro (dish) models. Some were considered effective enough to try out simply because they were chemically similar to drugs that were already known to be effective. So put in layman's terms–every model in use contributed to this failure–not animal models primarily. And the conclusion of the report where this quote came from? We needed to invest the time and money to validate better models that were already being used in academic research (many of which just happened to be animal models). This report even went as far as to point out specific animal models that had contributed to much better outcomes in the years just prior to the publication of the document. This quote is not used even remotely in its proper context, nor with its proper meaning.
In the words of the great Mark Twain: I believe I am not interested to know whether Vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't. To know that the results are profitable to the race would not remove my hostility to it. The pains which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity towards it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. It is so distinctly a matter of feeling with me, and is so strong and so deeply-rooted in my make and constitution, that I am sure I could not even see a vivisector vivisected with anything more than a sort of qualified satisfaction. I do not say I should not go and look on; I only mean that I should almost surely fail to get out of it the degree of contentment which it ought, of course, to be expected to furnish. – Letter to London Anti-Vivisection Society, May 26, 1899
I do not see any reason for this. Why can't an end just be made for laboratory animal research.
I with that I won't even buy cosmetic that don't say "Not test on animals" and I don't buy cosmetics that often since I don't use them that much and I can't stand to use them if they've been tested on animals. My sister works for doctors so she knows how often something passes the animals test but then doesn't work on humans the reason why they were tested in the first place. Most products are test once on difference non human living creatures then humans get them. They suffer going through that test and the Humans suffer by getting a product that might not work on them and having to wait for that test to finish for it to even go to a clinical test on humans
1. Animal Welfare laws dictate that laboratory animals from social species be housed socially, unless there is a danger of disease. Most labs also provide enrichment for animals (toys, exercise materials) as well as pain management treatment. These animals are from laboratory strains and most are not viable for life in the wild (e.g., albino mice). These animals aren't sentenced – they are born in captivity. 2. of course many drugs that pass animal testing fail in humans. that's why we also have human trials. if we didn't have animal trials, we could potentially be putting experimental medications in human patients that would kill animals. Animal trials ensure that human patients signing up for experimental treatments at least have some assurance that what they are taking won't kill them outright. Would you take medicine that hadn't been tested at all? probably not. 3. yes. testing medications before you put them on the market is a huge waste of time. What would you rather have us do? if you know a large population of human patients willing to let me remove and examine their organs, please let me know and i'll get right in touch with them. 4. non-animal research methods can only take you so far. if i want to know what a certain type of cell looks like, how do you propose i find that out without looking at the cell itself? human based microdosing works for some types of medicine, but is extremely dangerous to the human. in vitro methods use animal tissue, bio 101 please. simulators and computer models are based on data acquired from animal testing in the first place, otherwise they wouldn't be reliable simulators, and a simulator can't show you anything *new*, only what's programmed into the simulator. 5. the world does not need those things, true. but does the world need cancer treatments, HIV treatments, insulin, cures for malaria, understanding the causes and mechanisms of parkinson's, alzheimers, MS, lupus, and glaucoma? does the world need a way to regenerate dead brain and spinal tissue? You may not think so, but when you or a loved one has one of these diseases, you'll come running to a scientist or a doctor in a matter of minutes.
For the tests to be really effective, we need an animal model that is as close as possible to you and me, having a near identical digestive-system, nervous-system, skeleton etc. If it is a small creature, easily handled in the laboratory, so much the better. Of course, it must not be in a position to sue us or have any means of deterring us in our tasks, which we realise are sort of nasty but which MUST be performed for the good of mankind and to satisfy laws etc. Actually, there is a vast population of suitable candidates, pretty well renewable and in excessive abundance. They can probably be shipped in by the thousand if we can strike a deal with the right people in the right countries. Yes, applying the same criteria as in use today by vivisectionists, they should any moment be placing an order for 100s of… of… babies.
@Carla. you say there are simulators more accurate than using animals or animal tissue? please direct me to these simulators, because whoever made them didn't do a good job of announcing to the scientific community how he or she managed to make a model that was more accurate than the real thing, achieving a logical impossibility as well as a massive cost reduction technique. I'll interpret any lack of sending of such simulators as admitting that you are completely uninformed about scientific research using animals.
@Cat Whether it's in a laboratory for cosmetic testing or scientific research, animal testing is animal testing.
@Cat: I agree that the comments regarding cosmetics testing don't quite fit with an article about animal testing done in the name of medical research. That doesn't, however, make the facts provided in the article false. Animal testing, even in medical research, is unnecessary when there are viable other testing options.
BRAVO TO PETA !! STOP ANIMAL TESTING: If only these heartless animal abusers/murderers were given the ability to feel the pain of their 100 million innocent victims, maybe they would be shocked into decent, ethical, common sense, putting an end to these atrocities once and for all.
You guys kind of protect animals but you guys invited Kim kardashyan to be promos u guys and she still wear mink of poor animal coat what's rung whith u guys protect animal but holly wood still. Buying the mink and the wearing it
STOP THIS HOLOCAUST, this is not human.
Please Stop IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cat, How about backing up your assertions and giving a few examples of info and facts you find untrue or misleading?
Cat, unfortunately this information is quite correct. This is to do with human safety before it is about animal cruelty – animal testing IS dangerous for humans, and there is a long list of reasons why the scientific community fosters animal research, two above all: it eliminates the risk of being taken to court if things go wrong (and they do go wrong); and each individual "project" is funded, can bring more money to the institutions and prestige to the researchers. I would suggest, if you are interested and would like to see where PETA have taken those figures, that you read one of many interesting books on the subject, possibly VIVISECTION OR SCIENCE? by Pietro Croce. It contains quite a few chilling notions. It will hopefully make you re-evaluate your position? Or at least see that the statements above are not lies. At your service, Sam
CAT: Animal testing is animal testing regardless if it's for scientific research or products or not.
I am on the fence about animal testing. The thing that concerns me is, if it were to be stopped, how do we test these drugs created for the well being of the human race? Are there alternative and effective ways to do so. This is the kind of information that needs to be put out there.
Cat, what exactly isn't "true info and facts?"
i think, it is a big shame that we do with innocent animals.and nobody will care of these words, until it wont be ended by something, maybe an apocalipse.i feel a deep shame that i am a human, like you all, and you have courage to abuse the weaker creature.everyhting will be given back, but for now my words does not need for anyhting.please, try to feel how they feel..every living being want to live without suffering.every single living being.we dont need to kill, to use these products, it is known that it is not nesseceray.
There are simulators that are more accurate then using live animals that have a completely different gene pool then we humans do!! Shame on those vivisectors that are only using the word "research" to carry out their sadistic ways and getting away with it… ON OUR TAX PAYING DOLLARS!! SHUT THEM DOWN!!
This is disgusting and barbaric. STOP IT!!
@Cat – it's not misleading, the title says "stop animal testing". Make up, as well as drugs, is tested on animals.
Cat…you dont think that makeup is tested on animals? it is…and alot of animal by products are used in makeup as well. these facts are true.
Cat, are you saying there's some kind of conflation? Is one, say animal testing in the name of drug invention, justified; testing for make-up wasteful? BOTH cases run together in that, from the number of animals tortured and killed, the results are the same. Are you, perhaps, being inconsistent?
I truly believe that vivesectors are just children in grown up's bodies that never grew up mentally. I was first introduced to vivesection in a mall where i grew up as a child, i believe i was about 16 and the posters showed one surgery that actually had a cat's head sewn onto a dog's head to see how long the both of them would live ????? WHAT KIND OF RESEARCH WAS THIS PROVING ??? Tell me what came of this ??? It is disgusting to say the least. If the proven facts are 92 out of every 100 products that are tested on animals FAIL ON HUMANS THEN WHAT ARE WE DOING PEOPLE ? WHAT ARE WE DOING this is 2011 for god's sakes, GROW UP . Why don't we do the RIGHT THING and do our testing on murderers in prison on death's row, they are scum of the earth, but not innocent animals that cannot speak or help themselves, you are all just HUGE COWARDS
@Cat-How is this misleading? Obviously you are misinformed. If you are against animal abuse than you should be against animal testing. There are other ways to test, including using live cells which is more effective than putting helpless animals in torturous living conditions. Stop perpetuating that this is necessary or even ideologically correct behavior.
#'s 2-4 above should have Peta fund groups like http://www.curedisease.com who focus on Science ONLY. Why is Peta not funding Dr. Ray Greek(world's top expert) to speak around the country??? This makes no sense at all. Answers anyone?
Hey Cat. What is misleading about pointing out that cosmetics are tested on animals? What science can you point to that shows unequivocally that animal testing saves human lives? I have one word for you – thalidomide!
I am against animal cruelty and believe that other methods available should be used. Animals should not suffer in this way.
dit moet stoppen
I feel so sick and sad about that….all the world shut his eyes because Humans are the only ones who have the right to live…and all the world must be dedicated to this postulat….I DO NOT AGREE and I think that humans are so pretentious and dishonest to rule the world from their interests…. I'm often ashamed….and I feel so helpless ….
This information is misleading. I am against animal cruelty, but I wish you would use true info and facts rather than confusing scientific research and makeup testing.
Animal Testing is murder!!
Cat, what is misleading about this? Just wondering, i'm not disagreeing with you at all.
I am against animal cruelty, but I wish you would use true info and facts rather than confusing scientific research and makeup testing.
If people thinks animal don't have right, is bicoz your forgut you are the animal, we are the animal's too…If you have right, they have right…
This information is misleading. I am against animal cruelty, but I wish you would use true info and facts rather than confusing scientific research and makeup testing.


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Homemade Rice Milk
I'm a big fan of life's little pleasures. I try and take note of all the small, positive things that happen and keep them in mind, the day -to- day treats that are worth remembering and without which life would be a much more unfriendly place. One of my 'small things' is a cup of tea. It might sound a little lame, and I can think of sexier simple pleasures, but seriously, I couldn't function without tea in my life. I like a big cup of tea in the morning, topped with rice milk and drunk while sat in bed; it's a ten minute lull before the day really begins where I can think ahead and pull myself together. I'd go as far as to say that tea is therapy – warming, comforting, the mechanics of making the tea are a meditative process in themselves, especially if you make it with proper leaves, in a proper pot, like a proper person should do. Yes, tea with rice milk is, for me, a simple, celebratory pleasure. Black tea, on the other hand, makes me want to cry, which is why it's very, very important that you always have some rice milk to hand. That's where this brilliant and revolutionary recipe comes in.
I got the concept from this excellent little video. I know there are various suggested 'best' methods of making your own rice milk but I thought this actually seemed the most logical and is by far the easiest and quickest process. I have varied the proportions and equipment a little but only in order to make the most of such a fortuitous find. Apart from being wonderfully easy to make, it is also infinitely cheaper than buying a carton of rice milk. Most importantly, it gives you a choice and that's something that can make all the difference when living with food intolerances and allergies. It will keep for a few days in the fridge and will need a good stir, shake or quick blitz in the blender before pouring, just to mix it up a bit again.
You will need a good blender or food processor, fine mesh sieve and large square of muslin for this recipe, but other than that, it's a breeze. You can find muslin squares in Lakeland Plastics and most kitchen shops.
175g white basmati rice
1 litre water
2 - 3 tbsp agave syrup
A very small pinch of sea salt
Place the rice and water in a bowl or jug, cover and leave to stand for 8 – 24 hours. You don't need to refrigerate it but you can if you wish. Pour the rice and water into your food processor or blender. Add the salt and agave syrup and then blitz continuously for 3 whole minutes – you will have a lovely, frothy white milk but it will have lots of small granules of rice in it, this is how it's meant to be.
Place a fine mesh sieve over a large bowl and line the sieve with the muslin cloth. Pour in the rice milk, granules and all, and let it soak through the cloth and sieve into the bowl – the muslin is necessary as it is this that will strain out any very fine granules of rice so that you end up with a nice, smooth rice milk without any chalkiness. Squeeze the remaining liquid through the muslin and sieve and then serve.
Store the rice milk in a kilner jar or lidded jug in the fridge, giving it a good shake or stir before pouring. If stored like this it will keep for up to 4 days.


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Halloween is finally here! And if you're scrambling to find a local trick-or-treating spot for your kids, you're in luck, because The Oregonian's Amy Wang recently compiled an extensive list of Portland-area locations sure to be flowing with candy on Halloween.
Here are the Beaverton-area locations from her list, plus one more:
Trick or Treat at the Library: Pose for a picture with costumed staff, enjoy Halloween crafts, play with a dress-up trunk and get stickers. 9:30 a.m.-8 p.m. Thu, Oct. 31. West Slope Community Library, 3678 S.W. 78th Ave.; free; 503-292-6416
Trick or Treat at the Library: Grab some treats, show off your costume and check out a book or movie. 2-8 p.m. Thu, Oct. 31. Aloha Community Library, 17683 S.W. Farmington Rd., Aloha; free; 503-746-6918
Trick or Treat in the Village: At participating Bethany Village merchants, with costume contest. 3:30-5:30 p.m. Thu, Oct. 31. Bethany Village Centre, Northwest Bethany Boulevard and Northwest Central Parkway, Portland; free.
Halloween Interactive Movie: Watch a classic Halloween cartoon with an interactive twist. 4-5 p.m. Thu, Oct. 31. Beaverton City Library, 12375 S.W. Fifth St.; free; 503-350-3600.
Mall-o-Ween: Trick-or-treat at stores with bright orange signs. 5:30-7 p.m. Thu, Oct. 31. Cedar Hills Crossing, 3205 S.W. Cedar Hills Blvd., Beaverton; free; 503-643-7117-- Anna Marum


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UAB is three outs away from winning a non-conference baseball game against Alabama at Regions Park. The Blazers carry a 4-3 lead into the bottom of the eighth inning.
The Blazers first two runs came on solo home runs by Luke Stewart and Ryan Ussery in the second inning. It was Stewart's ninth home run of the year and Ussery's first in a UAB uniform.
UAB took a 4-1 lead into the seventh inning, Alabama has chipped away with a run in the seventh and another in the eighth inning. Alabama left the bases loaded in the eighth inning but Nick Graffeo ended the inning by striking out Brandt Hendricks.


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This is everything you love about breakfast in one skillet. It has eggs, sausage, cheese and tomatoes plus biscuits. This recipe can be adapted to your family's preferences. I think this would be good with some mushrooms, peppers, and onions. This took about 15 minutes to prep and into the oven it went. The house smelled great while this was baking. We had this for dinner, but it is also great for breakfast or brunch. We had enough for leftovers the next day, and it tasted great. If you want to freeze this dish, bake it first and then place in freezer. The biscuits won't rise as well if you freeze them uncooked.
Cheesy Southwestern Breakfast Skillet
serves 6-8
16 oz breakfast sausage
8 eggs
2/3 cup milk
1/4 tsp garlic salt
1/4 tsp onion powder
1 cup pepper jack cheese, shredded
1 cup cheddar cheese, shredded
1 can Mexican Rotel diced tomatoes, undrained
1 can (16.3oz) Pillsbury Grands Flaky Layers biscuits
Preheat oven to 375.
In a 12-inch ovenproof skillet, cook sausage over medium-high heat, until sausage is no longer pink. Drain fat.
In a large bowl, beat eggs and milk. Stir in 1/2 cup of cheddar cheese, 1/2 cup pepper jack cheese, Rotel tomatoes, garlic salt and onion powder. Separate biscuits and cut each biscuit into 6 pieces.
Place biscuit pieces in skillet with sausage. Pour egg mixture over biscuits. Top with remaining cheese.
Bake 25-30 minutes or until egg mixture is set.


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KEWAUNEE, Wis, (WFRV) The owner of the Kewaunee nuclear power plant has a plan to speed up the removal of spent nuclear fuel: one that hopefully meets the concerns of the local community.
The nuclear power plant has been out of service over a year. Yet inside the facility in large storage pools - sit radioactive fuel rods - cooling until ready for removal and long-term storage.
That process involves removing the fuel from the pool and placing it in concrete casks. Initially that task was to be accomplished by 2020. However since shutting down local residents have been urging the owner, Dominion Resources, to do what it can to speed up the 60 year decommissioning process.
Now Dominion says it has hired a company, which will remove and encase the spent fuel by the end of 2016.
"This is something the community has been encouraging us to take a look at - so we want them to know we are hearing them," said Dominion spokesman, Mark Kanz. "We want to try to do what we can. This is just one step in that direction and also opens the door to potentially do it for other pieces of the project as well."
The spent fuel will be encased in concrete casks, which will be placed in storage on the facility grounds.
They will remain there until the federal government develops a long-term plan for disposing of the spent fuel.
Kewaunee County officials want the plant's shutdown accelerated, saying the longer it takes - it more it hurts economic redevelopment of the area.
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HUNTSVILLE, AL -- UAH President David Williams said in an e-mail today he would look into concerns about delayed text message and e-mail alerts that a shooting had occurred on campus.
Some students said e-mails and text messages alerting students of the incident weren't sent until nearly an hour after a UAH biology professor allegedly shot and killed three colleagues Friday afternoon. (Click here to see a screen shot of a student's e-mail inbox)
Williams said the university will look into using its text message system more effectively.
"The communication delay didn't endanger anyone on campus in this instance," Williams said in an open letter to students, faculty and staff. "The tragic incident was over quickly and contained to a single building. But we will learn from this situation and be better for it should we need to use this system in a future crisis."
Read Williams' full letter, sent just before 9 a.m. today, below:
TO: UAHuntsville Faculty, Staff and Students,
Since Friday, I've spoken to many of you around campus as our university community tries to make sense of the terrible tragedy that occurred here. I have seen so many examples of emotional strength at a time when so much seems impossible to explain.
As we try to cope with this shock and our loss, we must continue to lean on each other for help. Yesterday's prayer service was a great example of the entire community coming together.
For those of you who may need help, counseling services remain available at the University Center or can be arranged by calling Charger Central at 256-824-7777. Plans are coming together for a memorial service on Friday at Spragins Hall. As the time and other details are decided upon, I'll share those with you. After we take time to mourn and heal this week, classes are scheduled to resume next Monday.
As we have come together to cope and mourn, I have also heard one concern repeated.
Our campus
police responded within minutes to the
As any institution would do after an incident like this, our university will conduct a complete examination of the emergency response. How to more effectively use the university's text message system in the midst of a fast-moving, life-threatening situation will certainly be part of that review.
The communication delay didn't endanger anyone on campus in this instance. The tragic incident was over quickly and contained to a single building. But we will learn from this situation and be better for it should we need to use this system in a future crisis.
I want to thank all of you who helped play a part in ensuring that this emergency response was carried out quickly and with the safety of our campus top of mind. Officers were on the scene just four minutes after shots were fired. Two minutes later, ambulances were there. Dormitories across campus were on lockdown within 10 minutes. That's a result of the training exercises our university police and local law enforcement have done with just such a scenario in mind.
I'm proud of the way our university responded to this awful situation and pray we never are tested like this again. At the same time, we will work to learn and improve from it.
Please continue to keep the victims and their families in your thoughts in prayers.
David B. Williams, Ph.D., Sc.D., President
A UAH student's e-mail inbox on Friday after the shooting:


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check timing. should be zero degrees.
injectors spraying a fine cone pattern?
does engine idle high when fully warm?
vacuum leaks around tbi base gasket, pcv valve/hose to tbi?
Alright i have had this truck for about 2 months now.. when i got it it ran ok but wanted to make it run better to pass emmisions testing as im in texas... it has 178k miles on it. (was suppose to have goten a new long block at 100k miles)its got the 5.7 TBI seems to be running rich and has a slight miss that is more notacible when in gear(not a constant miss very erratic). Did fuel filter, fuel presure regulator, new injectors, cap & rotor and wires, and plugs, and collant temp sensor ,changed out EGR valve, Tried a new map sensor and tps sensor, didnt help when i changed them out so put old ones back on... also looked at all the vacum lines found a few cracked ones and a couple cracked boots... but when i changed them out still has a slight miss and running rich....there is no check engine light on eather. please help... now the mis is more noticable when driving up hill... but when its in cruise control and on a flat road it drives fine... please help!!!!!
check timing. should be zero degrees.
injectors spraying a fine cone pattern?
does engine idle high when fully warm?
vacuum leaks around tbi base gasket, pcv valve/hose to tbi?
O2 GMC RCSB 4.8L V8 AUTO 3.73's
rebuilt/beefed up 4L60E(at 43,000miles)
Havent checked timming,,, the old injectors had a steady drip in the middle so replace them and now spraying good. engine idle is normal or sometimes low,,, but not high,, and replaced all gaskets on the tbi as they were cracked and old,,,, but new ones didnt seem to help... the only thing that i havent changed on the TBI is the IAC,,,, and just when out and started it,,, its hard to explane the mis.... hardley noticable when in park,,, but when in gear its erratic,,, will miss a few times then quit,,, then put it in park and back in gear and wont mis.....
remove vacuum line to egr valve qnd plug it. if the problem is gone probably incorrect or bad valve.
iac valve controls idle. is it idling at a different rpm?
O2 GMC RCSB 4.8L V8 AUTO 3.73's
rebuilt/beefed up 4L60E(at 43,000miles)
no has a steady idle,,, thanks,,, ill try that in a bit,,, i unpluged the vacum line before while it was running to the egr and seemed to do nothing was running good... figured since i just put a new one one it would be good,,, but ill the unplug and seal it to see if the miss is gone. thanks again!!!!!!!
ok unpluged the egr vacum line and taped off,,, and was still missing ,,, i think even more so,,, so pugged it back in and pulled up on the egr diaphram and it caused the engine to stumble did it a few times and same result,,, but after that i put it in drive and didnt mis,,,, will try again in a few mins and see if still acting right or if it was just a fluke.
still has the miss..... still scratching my head!!!!!!! lol
the distributor look original?
ASE Master Certified Technician
2000 Silverado 6.0 4L80E 2wd
*RIP*1994 Z71 SCLB 355, Dart Heads, 10.5:1 CR, PM rods, CC XR270HR
yes it looks to be original,,,, did replace the cap and rotor,,,
if its running rich are the plugs fouled? smell gas?
might be lean check fuel pressure?
O2 GMC RCSB 4.8L V8 AUTO 3.73's
rebuilt/beefed up 4L60E(at 43,000miles)
all plugs were wet last time i pulled them out to check them,,,, cleaned them off and put them back in... when i open the air cleaner after shutting it off its pretty strong and you can smell it thru the tail pipes... i havent checked fuel pressure... i did change fuel pressure regulator and fuel filter and injectors ... if fuel pump is going out would it cause it to run rich? or lean? thanks
"update " I dont know if this will help anyone help me narrow it down but just went out and started the truck and took it for a spin to get a dr pepper,,, when first driving it had no signs of a mis and was driving good,,,, but i was babying it,,,, on my way back home i put my foot in it and then the mis was back... still drove home ok,,,, but could notice it missing up hill... hmmmmmmm
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things im listing are easy and cheap but take some time.
First try the butane trick for leaks around intake,
Check your TBI gasket,
like stated over and over on here, fuel pressure, needs to be checked while driving not just idle in gear.
Timing, make sure your at 0, AND check your timing advance wire. Make sure its hooked up. Some forget after setting timing.
Check every wiring harness connector, make sure they connected and not freely sliding out. (clips in place)
Operating temp? are you at 195?
I did change the CTS sensor and put a new 195 t-stat,,,, my temp guage reads 100 to 140,,, i know that sensor has to be bad,,, but cant seemt to get a replacement senor for the guage but i was told it didnt make effect the motor cpu,,,,, change out tbi gaskets also ,,,, need to check timing and fuel pressure asap