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Thursday, 5 August 2010
Internet investigations on the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro (ICM) expansion project have revealed connections between a revolutionary socialist organization called Solidarity and a Solidarity front group, Middle Tennesseans for Religious Freedom. Many thanks to both Ashley and Daryl H. for this information.
Solidarity promotes itself as a 'democratic, revolutionary socialist ,feminist, anti-racist organization'. We knew something was up when Solidarity protested the government's conviction of New York radical lawyer, Lynne Stewart. She was counsel to the blind Egyptian Sheikh Abdul Rahman from Jersey City who was convicted in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. She was convicted of providing material support to an Egypt-based terrorist organization affiliated with al-Qaeda.
According to its website:
Solidarity was founded in 1986 by revolutionary socialists who stand for "socialism from below," the self-organization of the working class and oppressed peoples. We are feminist, anti-racist, and democratic. Within our group, we are trying to foster cultural diversity, flexible practice, and straight-forward socialist politics.
We are activists in many grassroots movements. We are members of unions, where we oppose corporations as well as bureaucratic "business unionism." We are involved in solidarity with the people of Central and South America, Indonesia, Iraq, the Balkans, Palestine, and many other countries, where we fight against U.S. aggression and imperialism. We work for reproductive rights and other feminist demands. We fight for an ecologically balanced society. We support the struggles of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender activists. We include activists of color and we work in solidarity with people of color organized independently fighting for dignity and power and self determination.
In these movements, we try to build broad coalitions, organize the unorganized, activate the apathetic, develop ties between movements and strengthen the rank-and-file democracy.
Solidarity has 25 branches across the US including one in the Murfreesboro-Nashville area.
Looking at the causes that Solidarity supports we noted a post by "Jase Short" about the counter protests of the ICM expansion plan that occurred on July 14th, entitled: "Middle Tennessee confronts Islamophobia";
"Short" commented:
On Thursday, Middle Tennesseans For Religious Freedom (MTRF) delivered a blow to these Islamophobic right wingers and managed to pull out more people into the streets of Murfreesboro than the well-funded opposition. Roughly 450-500 showed up to defend the rights of Muslims against the 300 or so on the other side -- stunning organizers and the entire state of Tennessee. We made it on national and international news. The chances that the County Commission will reverse its decision -- especially now since the mayor has switched his position on granting the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro the right to construct its new facility -- have been seriously diminished.
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After the event, folks from the Islamic Center and the community in general thanked us for our efforts; one local business even provided organizers a free meal. At least in this case, the forces of bigotry and hate in the American South have been met with a strong, vibrant force of democratic power. Although started by socialists, MTRF became a broad alliance of progressive folks. We do not know what comes next, as the opposition has been silent since their resounding failure, but undoubtedly they have not given up... and neither have we.
This is a bit of puffery by "Short". Someone of interest who frequents MTRF meetings is Eric Allen Bell, a self described ex-Hollywood documentarian. Bell attempted to disrupt a press conference by Laurie Cardozo Moore of PJTN concerning the controversial early burial on the contested ICM expansion site on Veals Road.
Bell has engaged in a sinister campaign against FMU colleague Nonie Darwish. He has tried to insinuate that Darwish had colluded with local Churches opposing the ICM because of an appearance at the World Outreach Church (WOC) in Murfreesboro in early May. Darwish spoke at WOC before the Rutherford County Planning Commission gave approvals for the early burial and the ICM expansion project on May 19th and 24th. Darwish addressed the WOC on support for Israel and knew nothing of the ICM expansion project at the time of her appearance there. The 'campaign' by Bell against Darwish surfaced this week, when Darwish was contacted by New York Times Religion reporter, Laurie Goodstein. Goodstein was doing an article on the opposition to Mega-mosques around the country. Goodstein opened up the conversation with Darwish by commented about her alleged role in fomenting Church opposition to the ICM expansion project. Clearly Goodstein was responding to a call or email from Bell. Darwish then discussed Goodstein the issues of human rights for former Muslims and whether Goodstein had read or written on the topic. The answer was no. Darwish hoped that perhaps Goodstein might have been provoked by the exchange to investigate the death Fatwas against apostates who left Islam and the FMU Freedom Pledge campaign.
As for Bell, investigators are closing in on his weak bona fides as a documentarian. The suspicion is that his 'sojourn' in Murfreesboro could be as a paid agent provocateur. The question is who is staking Bell for this purpose. The investigations continue about Bell, Solidarity and MTRF.
Posted on 08/05/2010 11:29 PM by Jerry Gordon
6 Aug 2010
Eric Allen Bell
This comment will probably get deleted but I'll give it my best shot anyway.
I am not a Socialist. Although I have filmed numerous MTRF meetings and have a lot of idealogical simiarlities, I am 100% independent.
I don't belong to a political party or a relgion. I was not shipped in from outside of Murfreesboro to stir things up. I am making an actual documentary. I am not neutral or unbiased. I come to this with a point of view.
As for the claims that I believe Nonie Darwish and World Outreach Church to be connected to the recent wave of anti-Islamic sentiment in Rutherford county - yes, I do stand behind that.
6 Aug 2010
We at MT Solidarity continue to be proud of our role in supporting grassroots movements in our community, especially the defense of the civil rights of our friends. I am sorry you folks cannot accept that religion is not the primary mover of social conflict, rather such conflicts are inherent about political struggle with religion overlaying it. I am sorry you cannot distinguish between sweet middle-class Muslim Americans & violent jihadist groups. Please know we hold no animosity towards you. Solidarity has branches that are autonomous. We are small--our nationwide numbers are around 300! We have NO money. We have TWO national staff members. All of the efforts around MTRF involved 5 branch members (of 13 total), as well as 15 other non-Solidarity organizers. Of those 15 there are Libertarians, Republicans, Democrats, & one non-Solidarity social democrat. Of the 500 or so in the street on the 14th, about 1/2 were MTSU students, the others were older folks (the meeting prior to the rally was 60 strong with only 11 folks under 30). If you have questions about our role, direct them to me at [email protected] Please take care.
6 Aug 2010
This blog is clearly anti-muslim, anti-immigrant, with a conspiracy theorist, fear mongering agenda.
The protesters against the Murfreesboro Islamic center were nearly 100% white Christian evangelical fundamentalists, the same contituency that marched against the building of Murfreesboro's first Catholic church in the 1920's. Then, it was the KKK, today it is the Tea Party. Same people, same beliefs, same politics of fear and paranoia.
6 Aug 2010
Eric Allen Bell
More on Nonie Darwish - Your article here makes it sound like a wild conspiracy theory, the idea that Nonie Darwish could possibly have anything to do with fanning the flames of opposition to the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro (ICM).
I have email correspondence with her saved where she confirmed that her organization, FMU, paid for the billboard in Murfreeesboro, TN that says, "Stop the Murfreesboro Mosque".
So the New York Times asking her about it is not part of some kind of a frame up job on the part of the so-called liberal media. Nonie Darwish actually did pay for the sign. Hence the inquries on the part of the press.
6 Aug 2010
Bell; Ellen; Jase.
Have any of you three actually *read* the Quran, let alone any part of the canonical Hadith and the Sira (life of Mohammed, in which he comes across as something resembling a blend of Don Corleone, Chairman Mao, Stalin, and Blackbeard the Pirate?)?
Here is a verse from the Qur'an. Surah 48, verse 29, in the N Dawood translation published by Penguin. "Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him **are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another**". Here it is in the Yusuf Ali translation: "Muhammad is the Messenger of God, and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers (but) compassionate amongst each other".
The word translated 'ruthless' by N Dawood and 'strong' by Yusuf Ali is rendered variously by the other English translations, but all carry overtones of ruthlessness, cruelty, sternness, harshness.
The verse thus encapsulates a contrast: *among themselves* Muslims are to be kind; but in Islam *does not teach* sincere and permanent love or friendship for a non-Muslim neighbour, let alone for anyone perceived to be an 'enemy'; rather, non-Muslims qua non-Muslims are supposed to be treated with harshness, severity, cruelty.
There is a whole doctrine called 'al-wala we al-baraa', 'loyalty and enmity' that elaborates how this dual principle - be nice to Muslims, nasty to non-Muslims - is supposed to be worked out in practice. If being nasty to non-Muslims is perceived as risky because a given group of non-Muslims is too strong to be domineered over, then Muslims are permitted to practise taqiyya, and to play nice and dissemble friendship, so as to protect themselves from attack; but behind the smiling mask, if they are serious about Islam, they are supposed to maintain feelings of contempt and hatred toward the very people they are smiling at. In the most authoritative hadith collection, that of Bukhari, vol 7, p 102, one reads that "Abu al-Darda' said: 'We smile for some people, while our hearts curse (those same people)".
More. From the earliest Muslim historian, Al Tabari - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us". From the Sira, the canonical Life of Mohammed, by Ibn Ishaq: "Muslims are one ummah [community] to the exclusion of all men. Believers [i.e. Muslims] are friends of one another **to the exclusion of all outsiders** [my emphasis added]". And, again from Ibn Ishaq - "Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to, in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?" "Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind".
One of the great modern western scholars of things Islamic was the German Joseph Schacht. In his tome 'An Introduction to Islamic Law', he stated, "The basis of the Islamic attitude towards unbelievers is the law of war; they must be either converted, or subjugated, or killed".
You three, lady and gentlemen, are making yourselves janissaries of jihad; you are enabling the Muslim ummah in Murfreesboro to build what amounts to an advance fort or military outpost, a shrine for their arab god of blood and war, to whom so far a guesstimated 270 million non-Muslims (most of those, black African animists and Chrisitans, and south Asian Buddhists and Hindus) have been butchered in jihad fi sabil allah.
Muslims are taught to view Jews and Christians as...among other things ...future sacrificial animals. Here is something from another, very popular Hadith collection which may be bought from any online Muslim bookshop; which is being avidly read *today*, the Mishkat al Massabih, vol 2, no 5552 - "When judgment day arrives, Allah will give every Muslim a Jew or Christian to kill so that the Muslim will not enter into hell fire".
Oh, and let's remind you of something else: the Apostasy Law. It is a flat fact that the canonical, authoritative Hadith, the Bukhari Hadith, states - Vol 4, Book 52, No. 260 - "the Prophet said, "If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him". And this is still put into practice today. In Dagestan, a Muslim-majority region of southern Russia, a former Muslim who had become a Christian pastor, was assassinated by Muslims. Former Muslims living a public life, such as journalist and MEP Magdi Cristiano Allam, in Italy, require a bodyguard night and day to deter attack; apostates from Islam in the UK live in hiding, under changed names, like people fleeing from an organised crime gang.
Instead of sneering at and attacking Ms Darwish, you should read her books: "Now They Call Me Infidel" and (on sharia, the totalitarian law of Islam), 'Cruel and Usual Punishment". Talk to her yourself and find out how many death threats she has received...from Muslims. Ask her how the Copts, and those who leave Islam, are treated, in her former homeland, Egypt.
Then reflect that the Muslims in this Murfreesboro mosque will read exactly the same texts, and the same authoritative interpretations thereof, as the Muslims in Egypt (who burn down churches and kill Christians), the Muslims in Pakistan (who kidnap and rape Christian and Hindu girls, with the tacit connivance of the Islamic authorities), or the Muslims in Iran (who stone women to death for 'adultery') and the Muslims in Saudi Arabia (among whom, the life of a non-Muslim man is formally, legally valued at half that of a Muslim man).
Islam is dangerous. Any cult or group that actively practises the killing of those who criticise it (see Theo Van Gogh) or who leave it (google Arthur Suleimanova), is dangerous.
The folks in Murfreesboro who are opposing this mosque are being perfectly rational. Just as rational as it would be to oppose the building of a massive fort/ bunker in which to hold Ku Klux Klan rallies, or in which to teach the adoration and imitation of Herr Hitler.
Here is something that happened in a city in Australia, in January 2009. It was described in a comments on a blog by one Carolyn Coverington, in The Australian newspaper.
The commenter, calling himself 'Jonathan Whybird', described an anti-Israel rally, mostly attended by Muslims. "On Saturday 17th January in Brisbane there was another demonstration in favour of Palestine at which anybody who bothered to do (I live in the city and they marched in my street, so I had a front row ground level seat as my fiancee and I had come back from a run) **would have heard Muslim Australians chanting "Kill the Jews"** (my emphasis - dda).
The commenter then added, "I even spoke to one protestor who confirmed he was Muslim and from Iran, who said there would only be peace when Israel and the rest of the west was destroyed. Now this man was supported by many of his fellow protestors who screamed with him...When I asked the man why he hated the west, he said, 'Because you reject the prophet' ". END QUOTE.
That's it, Jase, Bell and Ellen. That's what it's all about. Muslims are taught to hate us - to make war on us - because we 'reject the prophet'.
Because we prefer our own faiths, or no faith, to Islam; because we refuse to live as dhimmis within a Muslim despotism, paying 'jizya' 'protection' money to be (sometimes) allowed to remain alive; because we live under our own laws rather than sharia; because our women don't cover their hair/ arms/ legs/ faces; because we eat pork, drink wine, play music, carve statues, paint pictures of living beings; because some of us forbid polygamy; because we don't allow the marriage of 9 year old girls, like Mohammed did; because we don't stone adulterers. All of these things, and more, are in and of themselves, from the orthodox, traditional, classical, mainstream Muslim POV, a standing casus belli, irrespective of anything we or our ancestors may have done, or not done, to Muslims.
The Muslims will smile at you and flatter you today, Jase and Ellen and Bell, because you are useful to them. The moment you cease to be useful, however...allow yourself to reflect on what Khomeini did to the Communists and Socialists in Iran, once he no longer needed them.
6 Aug 2010
Eric Allen Bell
dumbledoresarmy -
I have read the Koran actually. In the process now of reading it through a second time.
I hope I have been clear from the beginning that I am not here to defend Islam. I will let Islam do that.
My documentary looks at the concerns from all sides, but admittedly I do have a bias. I feel very strongly that as long as the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro is obeying our laws, we have no right to deny them their Constitutional rights under the First Amendment.
That doesn't mean you cannot have strong concerns, or voice those concerns or even dislike this group of people for what you believe their religion to be about.
But it is so very important that you not confuse your fears and your speculation with actual facts.
Does this make sense? I hear you on your concerns about what you perceive Islam to be. Aparently you feel that radical Islam and more moderate Islam are more or less the same when it comes down to it. I'm not sure I agree with you there, but more importantly they do have a right to build a place of worship so long as they are obeying the laws of the land.
Thank you for taking the time to read my response.
7 Aug 2010
if you have in fact read the Qur'an (which translation? not that it matters all that much, since they all pretty much agree on the essentials) then you should damn well know that my posting did not deal in 'feelings', or perceptions, or speculations, but about the plain reality of what is in the Muslim texts.
I related what is right there in front of any non-Muslim with commonsense who reads what William Gladstone once called 'that accursed book'. I also cited actual passages from other texts that pious Muslims take very, very seriously, and I stated several examples of facts - Muslim behaviours, in space and time and history, past *and present* - that are in perfect conformity with the teachings of Islam.
I had read the Qur'an several years before September 11. Let me tell you that it was because I had read the Quran that I was not at all surprised to discover that Muslims had hijacked and crashed those planes into the towers. The first time I read the Quran I felt the hate, the violence and the sheer weirdness hissing off the pages like heat off bitumen in high summer.
Oh, and don't confine yourself to the Qur'an. You *have* to read at least some of the Hadith (Bukhari, Muslim, Dawud, for starters) and the Sira - either the A Guillaume or the William Muir classic translations. You will find out what was done to the Jews of the Khaybar Oasis, if you read those - and then you will understand why Arab Muslims today chant ecstatically, 'Khaybar, Khaybar, O Jews, the army of Mohammed shall return'. And you really do need to find out about the Treaty of Hudaybiyya.
And, sir, would you call the jihad genocide of the Armenian Christians, by Muslims, or the mass murders of Christians in the Sudan and in eastern Indonesia in the 1990s, and in East Timor, mere 'fears', or 'perceptions', or facts? Would you call the murder of Theo Van Gogh by a Muslim who was merely carrying out the diktat of the sharia, a fear, a feeling, or a fact? Did you bother reading, at all, the report of a conversation in 2009 between a non-Muslim and a Muslim, in an Australian street, in which the Muslim - a common or garden Persian Muslim - told the non-Muslim that his (the Muslim's) hatred was occasioned by the non-Muslim's decision 'to reject the prophet' (i.e. the refusal to become Muslim).
And I repeat: modern Muslims harass, and frequently kill, those who apostasise, who leave Islam. Why do you think Ayaan Hirsi Ali has bodyguards? Just for fun? Why do you think Ibn Warraq writes, and lives, under a pseudonym? For god's sake, go ring up Canon Dr Patrick Sookhdeo, and Magdi Cristiano Allam, and 'Hannah Shah' author of 'The Imam's Daughter', and talk to them yourself and ask them what happens, all the time, to apostates from Islam - *here and now and yes, even in the West*. Or google 'Lina Joy' and 'Mohammed Hegazy' and 'Al-Gohary' and 'Sabatina James'. Or do you think I'm making all this up?
7 Aug 2010
To answer the question of whether I have read the Qu'ran (I have), have you read the Bible?
In the Bible, Yahweh commands his followers to ethnically cleanse populations, sequester women who are on their period, stone women to death for adultery, etc.
Are you concerned about that?
In the New Testament, the Apostle Paul commands his followers to deliver the "flesh" of a man who has committed incest up to Satan...what exactly does that mean?
Christians today are committing violent acts, but we are not seeking to prevent the construction of their churches. The issue is this folks: radical violent Islam is as real as radical violent Identity Christian movements--the thing about it is that it is a matter of POLITICS, not the religion itself.
Religion can be made to justify anything. Consequently, we don't ban religions in the USA...we ban dangerous political texts.
7 Aug 2010
Eric Allen Bell
First of all I want to say that I am in total agreement with what Jase just said.
And again, I want to reiterate that I am not here to defend Islam. The bottom line here is painfully simple. Do we change the rules for Muslims? Do we deny they their First Amendment rights under the Constitution just because of SPECULATION of what you THINK they MIGHT do?
Who are the brain police? And who will they come for next?
7 Aug 2010
Laurie Cardoza-Moore
You are not a "filmmaker, nor documentarian."? Even your equipment was sub-par for industry professionals.? The unprofessional way you handled your questions during my interview is reflective of that.? I believe that the reason you are not in L.A. anymore is because your work does not measure up to the professional standards of the film industry.? You will not come to Tennessee an embarrass the film industry that has worked for years to acquire our reputation with your amateurish work.? I would strongly recommend that you go back to school and learn how to film, what equipment to use, and how to do legitimate research to produce a documentary.? I can assure you, I will contact the Tennessee Film Commission to report you.
7 Aug 2010
Eric Allen Bell
You are going to report me to the Tennessee Film Commission? LOL Why don't you explain to your readers who that is and what they do? That is hilarious. That would like, if say I ran a merry go round, you decided to report me to Disneyland. Surely, your readers are smarter than that.
NOW ABOUT THIS "PRESS CONFERENCE" that this report here says I disrupted. You made a 4 page written statement to the press. When you were finished and said you would take questions, I asked a couple of questions you would rather I not ask. Hardly a disruption.
I have the entire thing recorded on 2 cameras (sorry if the quality of my HD equipment does not measure up to your high professional standards). You, as a paid lobbyist, stated that you were representing the "citizens of Rutherford County" (don't you live in Brentwood, by the way?) I asked, "Isn't it true that you do not represent a few hundred thousand citizens but are actually resenting a small radical Evangelical group who seek to turn America into a Christian theocracy?"
Now we can argue about whether that question struck you as offensive, but it hardly quallifies as a disruption.
Does anyone actually read this crap you put out and believe it by the way?
7 Aug 2010
(1) You repeat the Islamophobic argument that Islam, or a given group of Muslims, are dangerous based on "naughty passages" in the Quran. This argument commits a fatal error in assuming that a religion is reducible to a holy text. Islam is more than just a "holy book" (or books). It is more correct to say: Islam is a holy book plus an interpretive scheme—a scheme embodied in traditions, auxiliary beliefs, and yet other texts, each with yet other interpretive schemes. This scheme is used to tell the faithful what the text means.
Actually, this expanded definition is still too narrow: There is no "Islam" to speak of, nor is there an interpretive scheme. There are only particular variants of Islam, each coupled with one of many competing interpretive schemes. (A religion is like a language: There is no "English," just particular dialects of English.)
It follows that, if you want to establish the "danger" of an Islamic group, like the Muslims looking to build (actually relocate) the mosque in Murfreesboro, you have to do better than just cite these passages; you must show that they are actually interpreted and acted upon by members in a dangerous way. So far as the Murfreesboro believers are concerned, quoting passages that appear to endorse killing non-Muslims fails—because these worshipers simply do not interpret these passages as licensing them, in the present day, to kill non-believers. And that is that.
(Perhaps nonviolent Muslims have the wrong interpretation of these books; in this case, they are poor readers. But this is hardly the same as being dangerous.)
(2) As Jase suggested, an outsider to Christianity can find just as many ostensibly dangerous passages in the Bible.
For example, in Luke 19:27, Christ says: "Those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them, bring them here and kill them in front of me."
"On its face" (whatever that means), this verse appears to condone murder of "infidels" too. It isn't much further to say that being "Christlike" means His followers should follow suit. If Muhammad spoke these words, the protesters would be drooling over it.
Of course, we could add most of Mosaic law to this--the Old Testament calls killing your neighbor if he works on the Sabbath, etc. etc.
Yes, Christians will say in context the meanings of such verses are benign, or do not apply after the "new covenant" or whatever. They reserve the right to distance themselves from militia types, Christian Identity racists, and other radicals by invoking alternate interpretations of the identical text. And I'm not saying they don't have a good point! But it is irrational or worse to deny the same charity to Muslims. So what accounts for your differential treatment? Why can Christians reinterpret ostensibly naugty passages but nobody else?
7 Aug 2010
Eric, you cannot just read the Koran and understand it alone. You must also be familiar with Islamic history and the traditions which make up the Sunna of Mohammad. Reading the Koran alone and understanding what it means is impossible since it is not in chronological order (intentionally-- but this is another story). When read in chronological order, it is clear that the violent passages Dumbledore's Army refers to abrogates the non-violent earlier passages. The violence is what stands and supersedes the non-violent passages.
AB: Islam is made up of the Koran, Hadith, and Sira, all of which make up the sunna of mohammad. Everything Mohammad did is considered worthy and perfect and should be emulated. This is not MY interpretation. This is Islam's interpretation. While you may be able to get some Muslims to disavow the violent passages, you will rarely ever find a Muslim to admit that Mohammad was ever wrong-- even though it is clear he was a rapist, murderer, beheader, misogynist, pedophile, etc.
You bring up the bible in a way you must believe clever. Irrelevant. First of all, if you want to discuss the bible, you should do so elsewhere. This conversation is about Islam, not Christianity. One has nothing to do with the other since Christians aren't blowing buildings up while citing doctrine and when they wish to proselytize, they do so with love and kind words, not by violence and beheadings.
The Koran is considered the literal word of God in Islam. The bible is considered the inspired word of God. You had to quote a parable in the bible since Jesus never advocated killing others. Herein lies the difference. If one followed the footsteps of Jesus, they would be tolerant, loving, kind, patient and just. Period-- since Jesus himself was this way. However, if one follows the footsteps of Mohammad (which is considered the sunna, the way to emulate, the perfect path), they are a murderer, rapist, slavemaster, pedophile.
Any violence done in the name of Christianity is a misapplication of theology since Jesus himself preached no violence. Any violence done in the name of Islam is a perfect application of theology since Mohammad himself took part in murders, beheadings, rapes, child molestation, and slavery.
Furthermore, Christianity has had two major reformations. Islam will have none (I'd like to be wrong about this part) since the Koran is considered the literal perfect unchangeable eternal word of God that cannot be changed by mere man.
To go one step further: Judaism has had ongoing reformation since its inception. Violence in the OT was limited to a specific enemy during a specific time in a specific place. In Islam, the violence is specifically mandated for all time, towards ALL non-Muslims, everywhere. . . until the entire world is under Islamic law, or dar al Islam. Until then, they consider the non-Islamic world dar al Harb, or the House of War. It is specifically mandated throughout the Koran that one must further Islam until Islam reigns-- by whatever means will do the job, whether by pen, money, sword, etc.
There is nothing remotely like this in the bible.
I suspect you like to think of Islam as tolerant and those who don't see it as tolerant are racists. Okay. I understand. However, that's not the case, that's your opinion.
I realize you don't like many of the comments on this page. However, I'm only repeating what is in the Koran and what makes up the sunna. If you don't like it, don't take it up with me. . take it up with Mohammad. I don't like it either.
7 Aug 2010
Eric Allen Bell
Believe it or not I started studying Islam out of curiosity in 2000. My documentary is not out to prove or disprove Islam however.
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"It produced revenue, it saved baseball for Milwaukee and Wisconsin, and Miller Park has been well-received," Selig said.
Sports economists say the claim that a stadium can provide benefits, as has been the argument in dozens of stadium debates around the country, is a myth.
Selig says he's aware that some economists dispute the economic impact of sports stadiums. But he says it's hard to dispute what happens when hotels are full in Milwaukee when the Brewers are home.
"Or when people in restaurants do business the likes of which they haven't done," he added.
Specifically, Selig points to the 2006 study for ammunition. The study, done by the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee's Institute for Survey and Public Research, said that in the three years after Miller Park opened, the Brewers had a yearly economic impact of $327.3 million on the five-county area.
According to the study, the direct economic effects of the ballpark and Brewers include the total yearly spending of those attending games from outside the five-county area, as well as the resulting local employment and earnings.
Leon Schur, a professor emeritus of economics at UWM who worked on the study, said the study targeted fans coming from outside the state and outside the five-county region.
"I think our report showed that, just in terms of economic benefits, Miller Park repaid and will repay the taxpayers many times over," he said. "And then there are the noneconomic benefits, which are also very great."
Schur's study, however, was challenged by UWM's Center for Economic Development, led by director Marc Levine, who said spending for stadiums was not a "positive economic investment."
Levine is not alone. One national study completed in 2000 and published by the Cato Institute did not uncover a single instance in which the presence of a professional sports team was linked to a boost to the local economy.
According to Levine, since the stadium opened in March 2001, overall private sector employment has declined by 5.4% in Milwaukee County. Moreover, the claim that fans are flocking to Miller Park and staying in hotels does not appear to have support.
"If Miller Park is drawing visitors to Milwaukee, they're apparently not staying in local hotels: hotel employment has declined by 2.9% in Milwaukee County since the ballpark opened," Levine wrote in an e-mail.
At the same time, employment in retail trade has declined by 9.9% since 2001 in Milwaukee County, Levine wrote.
"In short, whatever spending is going on at Miller Park is not injecting significant new dollars into the local economy; it is simply rearranging consumer patterns by taking dollars away from other activities; the 'substitution effect' well-known to economists."
But Schur said his study steered clear of the substitution effect by focusing on the fans from outside the region.
The Brewers say about half their fans come from outside the five-county area of Milwaukee, Waukesha, Ozaukee, Washington and Racine counties. Whether some of those fans stay and spend in Milwaukee is not clear.
Neither the Brewers nor VISIT Milwaukee, the main convention and tourism agency in Milwaukee, had hard data on how many of those fans stay in local hotels.
David Fantle of VISIT Milwaukee said there is anecdotal evidence that hotels and restaurants fill up when fans of the Minnesota Twins or the St. Louis Cardinals come to town.
Tim Sheehy, president of the Metropolitan Milwaukee Association of Commerce, a major booster of the stadium, says it stands to reason that if 50% of fans are coming from outside the five-county area, that's new money coming in. Is the stadium an economic boost? he was asked.
"I don't think the answer is pure economics," Sheehy said. "The answer is 50% economics and 50% character. It's a part of the community character, and you can look at it as an economic asset."
Selig added: "You can argue about the arithmetic. I understand it. What I'm saying to you is that there are huge economic benefits. You then pile on the sociological benefits. And then the other question you should ask yourself is this: Why did every other city come to the same conclusion that Milwaukee did?"
The stadium was largely built on the backs of taxpayers in the five-county region, through a 0.1% sales tax. Since the tax was first collected in 1996, it has raised about $240 million.
Mike Duckett, executive director of the Miller Park stadium district, said the district was projected to collect about another $240 million between now and perhaps as late as 2017.
"The total of $480 million allows us to pay off the debt (about $434 million) and covers our segregated reserve fund and management costs and other lease obligations," Duckett said.
For several years, district officials had hoped to sunset the sales tax in 2014. But collections in recent years have been disappointing, and it will take longer to collect the same amount of money.
The stadium district has certified that the final cost of construction was just short of $392 million. The Legislative Audit Bureau, which audited the district's books, has said the cost of construction was nearly $414 million as of December 2001.
Both sides have said their numbers are accurate.
Commissioners and economists will continue to argue the merits of baseball stadiums and their impact on local economies, but there's also the opinion of one man who played a crucial role in favor of Miller Park.
On the night of Oct. 5 to 6, 1995, George Petak, then a Republican senator from Racine, took a stand in favor of the financing plan. Although the Senate had voted down the plan twice, Petak changed his vote on the third vote and the measure passed.
In June 1996, Petak became the first state official to lose a recall election, a direct result of his vote.
Now a lobbyist in Madison, Petak said he was more convinced than ever that the stadium was worth it for everyone involved.
"Those of us who took a stand are seeing it all come together now," Petak said. "This franchise now looks like it was worth waiting for."


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The council has four new faces on it, which means four new opinions. And Monday night at the very first regular council meeting since being sworn in, members were divided on the issue of former Mayor Pro-Tem Brad Cannon serving on the Urban Renewal Board.
Cannon was recommended by the URA board to serve, however Council member Clinton Daniel and current Mayor Pro-Tem RJ Johnson felt like the agency needed a fresh perspective, and Cannon wasn't it.
"To me the perception is that we purposely held the position open for that long instead of filling it in a timely manner," said Daniel. "And I think getting different people involved in the URA would be a good thing."
"I think we should mix it up a bit and allow someone from the community," said RJ Johnson. "Mr Huelett resume he's got a lot of experience here why not let someone else have a shot."
In a four to three vote the panel decided to go against the boards recommendation, and appointed Joe Huelett to the Urban Renewal Agency.


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You rated my answer and it closes the chat. :) No worries, what was your last legal question?
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ok. well I opened a new one. so you get paid for it. It's for me, not for them. They run the site, but I know when it's clear or not. and I am confused on this point (actually, honestly):
if it's something of value, then wouldn't pretty much everyone be doing it?
because a husband pays for his wife and her house, etc, and she gives im back love but also sex.
or, a girl finds a rich boyfriend...
Then where does one draw the line? - the reason it's important is because if I don't find my answer, I am not going to think that everything is prostitution is exchange happens and will do nothing on the subject of relationships...
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I closed the chat by accident. or I mean replied to you.
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If one can prove there is an actual relationship between them and the other person they are giving things of value to and accepting sex from, then that would not be prostitution or solicitation. I have never seen a prosecutor prosecute a person where there is evidence of an actual relationship between two parties. The legislature clearly did not intend to make the statute this far reaching. It is against common sense and public
No crime of prostitution, solicitation and pandering are the same, each case is different. As they might be similar, it ultimately depends on the evidence. In a Penal Code 647 prostitution case, prosecutors must prove that at least one the following elements exist:
Solicitation from one party to the other for an act of prostitution
The agreement to commit an act of prostitution
Actually commit an act of prostitution
Solicitation of lewd conduct
A Prosecutors job is to prove there was an arrangement to engage in an act of prostitution. They usually gain proof with a recorded conversation between an undercover police officer and the accused. If they cannot produce a recording of the conversation, the arrangement may be difficult to prove. If the accused has no money at the time of arrest, the prosecution may have a difficult time proving there was specific intent to engage in an act of prostitution. I do get that it is hard to understand the nuances of how things can be different in theory and in practice, but in the legal world, this is especially true.
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In order to prove that a defendant solicited or agreed to engage in prostitution the prosecutor must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant actually intended to engage in a sex act for compensation. If the defendant was joking around, flirting, or simply curious, but had no intention of actually carrying out a sex for money exchange, that defendant is not guilty of violating Penal Code section 647(b). Further, a defendant who can prove an actual relationship exists between s/he and the other party, proves that they had no specific intent to "engage in the act of prostitution." If the specific intent cannot be proven, then the defendant cannot be considered guilty of the act based upon the definition of the statute.
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ok. I think I am getting close to understanding. So, there has to be an "arrangement"? - If there is simply exchange, it's not prostitution... Let's say someone takes a girl to an expensive dinner, buys her a ring, she sleeps with him. But there was no "arrangement." correct? would that be different that saying: "if I buy you this ring, will you sleep with me?"
this might seem trivial to you, but it's important to me. Because I have always given girls presents, chocolates, etc. Obviously not to sleep with them, necessarily. But I need to see where just simply "courting" turns into prostitution.
And, in my case which I described, it was not such, because my proposed wishes were of no value, or because there was no intent (from the legal viewpoint) even though there might have been intention to do it from my side?
I also just need to know because I work for the courts, etc, and in other areas have high standards, so if someone ever asks "have you ever solicited prostitution?" I need to say "no" with a clear conscience, not just because someone might find out...So I am going to stop philosophizing here and if you tel me that I am fine, I am done with my case...
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oh, I see. and who or what establishes intent? the act of showing up?
in my case, when I put the ad up, I had the intention to play that game (otherwise I wouldn't have put it up). But the normal English "intent" or "intention" must be different than how you're using it in the legal sense?
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I think I get it. Intent means the intention to commit a crime, wittingly, knowingly. But then, here's the trick - I once offered someone a ride for money. I had no idea that this was illegal in LA. so there was no intent. But I was arrested, they called it "pirate taxi cab." So I had the "intent" because I showed up. So "intent" must not mean "the desire to commit a crime knowingly." It must mean "the intention to do the action" (and it doesn't matter if a person knows it's illegal or not). Am I right? If a Zulu came to US and he had no clue prostitution was not illegal, and he tried it, he could still be arrested...yeah?
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The arresting officer believes he has enough evidence to arrest you based on specific intent (again, fact specific), and then the prosecutor tries to prove you had the specific intent, and then the jury decides if the prosecutor has proved that you had specific intent beyond a reasonable doubt.
It's not whether you intended to play the game. It's whether you specifically intended to engage or solicit prostitution.
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No, I certainly didn't. But in the example I gave you with the car above, I also didn't intend to do anything illegal. I just showed up to give someone a ride for money, but it was a set up. I had no clue it was against the law. they said it didn't matter.
so, to wrap it up. if I'm even with a girl in a cafe, bar, wherever, and I tell her of the same game, would it be prostitution? technically her wishes could have been material - clothes, car, etc.
Is it best to just stay as far away from this as possible? or get into a relationship, perhaps...? that's off the subject already.
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That's correct. There is a saying in the legal world that "ignorance of the law is no excuse". In other words, you can't claim to be exempt from liability under a law just because you didn't know there was such a law.
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I think we have been over this, but yes, I think it would be best to stay away from stuff like this lest you come across an ambitious police officer or prosecutor who wants to try to make an example out of you.
I really do need to be going now. My eyes are starting to get heavy. :)
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this is all extremely confusing. seems contradictory. It's not the complexity of law. it's some basic or term I don't get.
on the one hand, you said that if there was not intent (like in my case), it's not a crime. On the other hand, that not knowing the law (not having the intent to break it) is no excuse. So how does it work?
by intent, is it meant the intention to commit a crime or simply to carry out the action?
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to save you time and trouble, you can tell me where to read up on it, if you know. if not, I can research myself. Because I don't want to keep asking you questions, but it's confusing right now. I am far from stupid, but I no longer understand if I did something wrong or not, and where the crime would begin and simple flirtation would end. SO I can research on my own, if you like.
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ok, good night! sleep well. I won't keep you longer.
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I don't think I could tell you to go anywhere that will give you as much detail as I have here.
What I told you was not contradictory. You do have to have specific intent to engage in prostitution to be guilty of it. Whether you knew it was illegal or not is of no consequence. If you intended to engage in sex for the exchange of money or something else of consequential value, then you have engaged in prostitution by definition. Whether you knew that doing this was illegal or not has nothing to do with whether you had the specific intent to engage in the act.
I need to go offline now. I am happy to open the question up to other experts if you think that might help. Perhaps it is a communication issue.
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No, it's fine. You were very thorough. I don't think anyone could have done better. It has nothing to do with your communication. It has to do with definition of terms, only. or with some important point I am missing. There is something I am not getting. I will review all your answers tomorrow and hopefully not need any more. Or at least formulate a few very crisp answers.
your info is not contradictory. the contradiction is in my head. I'll figure it out.
I think I don't totally get the words "intent" and "consequential value." will study them tomorrow. I just need to know is my wishes were "consequential value" and if my desire was "intent" or if "intent" only occurs upon arrival.
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Sorry I didn't get back to you earlier. Had a busy weekend. Still haven't read through all the correspondence. Will do in a bit and get back to you
I have something else on my mind. I could open a new question, as it's new. But it's very simple: if someone does not have a work permit to work in the US, am I liable if I pay them? - basically someone was consulting me and I had no idea they were not ok to work in the US. She did a so-so job anyway, and I paid her half upfront and then in the middle she decided to bail out and say pay me the remaining hours (not all, just the 7 extra she worked). At that point I found out she was not ok to work here. She has a firm abroad, though.
So, if someone is working here and receiving money abroad, is that illegal, or what are the logistics? a very simple answer will do. Hope you had a good weekend:)
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Hi there! I had to laugh out loud a little as I am not sure there are any "simple" answers with you, ;) You do not need to open a new question, you can just accept this answer by rating it. I am glad to hear from you.
Under the Federal Immigration and Nationality Act, it is unlawful to hire an alien, to recruit an alien, or to refer an alien for a fee, knowing the alien is unauthorized to work in the United States. It is equally unlawful to continue to employ an alien knowing that the alien is unauthorized to work. An employer has constructive knowledge that an
is an illegal unauthorized worker if a reasonable person would infer it from the facts. Constructive knowledge constituting a violation of federal law has been found where (1) the I-9 employment eligibility form has not been properly completed, including supporting documentation, (2) the employer has learned from other individuals, media reports, or any source of information available to the employer that the alien is unauthorized to work, or (3) the employer acts with reckless disregard for the legal consequences of permitting a third party to provide or introduce an illegal alien into the employer's work force. Knowledge cannot be inferred solely on the basis of an individual's accent or foreign appearance.
Actual specific knowledge is not required. For example, a newspaper article stating that ballrooms depend on an illegal alien work force of dance hostesses was held by the courts to be a reasonable ground for suspicion that unlawful conduct had occurred. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a
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got you. and is this the same with a consultant? if I don't hire them as an employee, but as an independent consultant?
I just need a legal reason to quote this person so that she doesn't ask for money anymore.
And yes, keep laughing. It's good therapy. The ancient Romans recommended it. Will be in touch.
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Sorry, had to go offline for a little while. The employer sanctions provisions contain two
. The first, a "grandfather" clause exempts from its provisions the continuing employment of unauthorized aliens hired on or before November 6, 1986, the date of the law's enactment. The second exempts "independent contractors" from the employment verification and sanctions provisions, provided the service provider falls within the strict definition of independent contractor. This includes "individual entities who carry on independent business,
to do piece work according to their own means and methods, and are subject to control only as to results."
Indicia of independence include:
Who supplies tools/materials;
Whether services are available to public;
Whether work is done for other clients;
Whether there is an opportunity for profit or loss as a result of the labor; and
Who determines order, sequence, and time work is done.
Lastly, while you are not obliged to confirm the work authorization of anyone you hire as an independent contractor, if you know or have reason to know that an independent contractor is not authorized to work in the U.S., you can nevertheless be held liable.
If this woman is an illegal, you can report her to the UCIS's ICE division. You can find the local numbers here: http://www.criminalgovernment.com/docs/rel/aliens.html.
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Thanks! sorry for the late reply!
Hope your day went well:) Mine did. Very busy...
So freelancers CAN or CANNOT do it?
I know many companies outsource outside the US. is that different because the people working are physically outside?
Or, if someone works here, is it different if they receive money abroad rather than here?
For example, couldn't someone hire a US consultant to go do business in another country, or a Belgian consultant, let's say, to come work here, regardless of how he gets paid?
In this question (unlike the last), I don't need any heave references, legal language, etc. The simpler, the better:)
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