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Its nice to see Robert Carlyle on board as well as Patrick Stewart although it was slightly unexpected. For those who don't know Robert Carlyle has been in films such as 28 weeks later and the full monty. He seems to play the lead and i have high expectations.
Jason Isaacs is in it too. He was the bad guy in The Patriot and Lucious Malfoy in the Harry Potter movies. Really good actor with a great voice.
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ParanoiaDragon 7 years ago#3
I may be the only one, but I ALWAYS prefer voice actors over real actors in games & cartoons! Those guys live on their voice acting ability, & I admire them. Plus, it seems like most(but not all) the time, actors always sound the same, while voice actors tend to tackle lot's of different types of voices in games/cartoons.
It's not a DOLL man, it's uh ACTION figure!
That isn't necessarily true. Semi-famous voice actors aside, such as Crispin Freeman, you can still recognize a number of voice actors when you hear them. Besides, actors can change their voices around as well, and a number of them tend to win Oscars when they do. If an actor has a good voice, why not go with it...
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I agree with above poster, I didn't realise it was Carlyle until my third viewing of the trailer.
Also @ Vegafoo, thanks for pointing that out, i didn't notice that either. Jason Isaacs is a great actor and i'm sure he'll do a great job here.
This sort of criticism works both ways. The actors listed here have had to modulate their voices in the past more than once in their careers and work hard to drown out the HitG! noise, which is being taken up here as a silly quibble. If actors with mostly voice-overs on their resume were all that versatile in their skills or committed, why wouldn't they dip into live-action a little more often, hmmm? Before the answer "lack of ambition" is given, I'm going to have to laugh.
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Viktor & Rolf Flowerbomb Extreme
26 reviews
65% would repurchase
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Price: $$$$
on 7/6/2013 12:44:00 AM
Age: 25-29
Skin: Acne-prone, Olive, Warm
Hair: Black, Straight, Fine
Eyes: Black
Alike many of the fragrances I have, this veered towards a deep, mysteriously playful floral candy scent. Im always a fan of any fragrances that offers the intense version. Smells in the likes of lancome magnetic beat, mugler alien, or any other candy dandies. It first sprays like an explosion of kaleidoscopic midnight flowers, then lasts well into late afternoon, when I can detect its floral bases. Wears this to the office everyday. Loves.
on 1/20/2013 12:26:00 AM
Age: 30-35
Skin: Oily, Fair, Cool
Hair: Brown, Straight, Fine
Eyes: Blue
I absolutely love the scent but it has no staying power what so ever :( I try to layer it with the lotions [that were GWP] and nope that doesn't even make it last. It is way too expensive for something that doesn't last but I still really like it so I would probably buy again.
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on 1/10/2012 10:47:00 AM
Age: 56 & Over
Skin: Combination, Medium, Warm
Hair: Red, Straight, Fine
Eyes: Blue
Held my breath waiting to try this before I bought the bottle--so sure I'd love it. Bought first sample ($6 !!) What a waste! It's the sad lighter version of Flowerbomb. As noted below, very close to the skin, and lasts an hour or two. Just goes to show, try before you buy. Have a Flowerbomb min and that will do me for a while since I rotate my 'fumes.
on 10/28/2011 10:10:00 PM
Age: 19-24
Skin: Combination, Fair, Neutral
Hair: Red, Wavy, Medium
Eyes: Green
I very much like, but do not love this perfume. It's a sugary sweet amber scent with an undertone of smooth sexy musk. The amber is the post prominent note. While I love amber, and honestly, the smell of this fragrance is delicious, it reminds me a lot of a sweeter version of my BBW Sensual Amber which I could get by layering Sens. Amber with a sweet vanilla perfume like VS Vanilla Lace. Also I was disappointed in the sillage and lasting power- I couldn't smell this on me unless I had my nose right up against my wrist and it faded to almost nothing within 3 or 4 hours. I'm glad I tried this legendary fragrance, but I won't be repurchasing.
on 8/4/2011 12:59:00 PM
Age: 25-29
Skin: Normal, Fair-Medium, Not Sure
Hair: Brunette, Other, Other
Eyes: Brown
Love love love!
on 7/27/2011 5:02:00 AM
Age: 30-35
Skin: Combination, Other, Not Sure
Hair: Black, Other, Other
Eyes: Brown
I bought this perfume yesterday and as soon as I arrived home proceeded to open up the lovely box and spray a little onto my neck - The door bell rang and buzzed in the delivery man. I opened the door and the very first thing he said was "wow you smell amazing" I said oh thanks just trying out my new perfume, to which he repeated it smells incredible. Need I say more? I think not. Except for the fact that up until 2 yrs ago I loathed overtly sweet perfumes - flower bomb extreme being the sweetest, and I love it.
Feminine albeit strong with no masculine undertones. Good sillage. Simply a gorgeous scent.
on 8/28/2010 10:21:00 AM
Age: 19-24
Skin: Dry, Fair, Cool
Hair: Blond, Other, Other
Eyes: Blue
I am a complete gourmand fiend: I like spicy vanilla and I like musk. For reference, my other favourite scents are L de Lolita Lempicka and Dior Addict. "Flowerbomb" sounds like a name specifically designed to repel me, and yet I love this mis-named perfume.
I don't own the original Flowerbomb, but according to Viktor & Rolf this is a "creamy, balmy" version with "greater floral intensity" than its predecessor. To me, the opening is a candy explosion; there are sweet flowers at the heart, but they do not dominate this scent and if you don't generally like florals, you shouldn't be deterred; the drydown is a sweet vanilla cream with a hint of something spicy that lingers all day (my favourite part). Although it's an extremely sweet scent, it is immaculately blended and I have never found it cloying. It also sits very close to the skin, which I love because I wear perfume for myself first and foremost. (And it's nice not to invade other people's space if they don't share your taste in scent. Having said that, I have received countless compliments on this one, especially from men.)
The only downside is the price. This is the most expensive perfume I own - it currently only comes in a 50ml size which retails for a whopping �65.00. Madness. I'm willing to shell out because it's so opulent, long-lasting and frankly, addictive. Thankfully, a little goes a long way and I have lots of perfumes to rotate. When I do finish my bottle, I will *run* to the store and repurchase before the sun goes down.
*UPDATE* - I have since purchased the original Flowerbomb eau de parfum, and can confirm that it is almost identical. The original has a bit more sillage, while "Extreme" hovers near skin level (I like that about it). The original also has more of the patchouli. It's a very sanitised patchouli. I suppose dirty Angel-type patch would be too nauseating on top of all that sugar. The other difference in the original is a refreshing tea note, which only lasts a few minutes on me, but I don't detect it at all in Extreme...
I probably love the warmer Extreme EDP about 2% more. Unless, like me, you don't know when to stop - you don't need both. Hope this helps!
on 7/28/2010 11:39:00 PM
Age: 36-43
Skin: Dry, Medium, Warm
Hair: Black, Wavy, Medium
Eyes: Brown
I have both the Flowerbomb EDP and Flowerbomb Extreme. Got the F. Extreme because the EDP didn't last as long as I would have liked on me so figured with "extreme" it'll be, well, extremely long lasting, extremely good sillage etc. What I found is that tthe Extreme is like the other reviews mentioned, creamier. It doesn't have that 'bite' or extra 'kick' that the EDP has. Even though in general, it smells about the same as the EDP, it is more mellow and I find myself spraying an en extra dose of the EDP on top of the Extreme, since the EDP is sharper, and I like my perfumes to be able to make me cough and sputter when I first put them on. Like my hubby always asked: 'must you fumigate the house with your perfumes?' Hehe.... :) On the brighter side, I live in the tropics and at least it'll kill those pesky mosquitoes right off!
on 4/7/2010 2:10:00 PM
Age: 44-55
Skin: Combination, Fair-Medium, Warm
Hair: Black, Other, Other
Eyes: Brown
Odd that an extreme version should be more boring than the EDT.
The EDT has an interesting clash between the tea note and the vanilla/patch base. The extreme is straight up creamy. It's nice enough but grossly overpriced for what it is.
However, worth trying if you ALMOST like flowerbomb, as the "offensive" notes seem to have been stripped out, leaving behind the cuddles.
on 4/7/2010 9:11:00 AM
Age: 25-29
Skin: Combination, Fair, Not Sure
Hair: Blond, Other, Other
Eyes: Blue
Several years ago I bought the regular flowerbomb and I loved it but the Patchouli basenote irrated me after it was on my skin for half a day.( I personnaly do not like patchouli when you can actually smell it apart from the other ingredients); So I gave the bottle away....
I always hoped for a remake of flowerbomb with less patchouli or even without patchouli. I knew that there was a flowerbomb EXTREME, but I expected it to be stronger so even more patchouli-ish.
...Untill I read the below reviews of the extreme, and they are basically all about how creamy and more vanilla it smells. So I was very curious when I went to the Paris XL-store (Im from Belgium). The sales lady sprayed some on my wrist, and OH MY GOD, it is indeed my flowerbomb-dream of a remake that came true!!!
So if you are in doubt to buy the original or the extreme, my advice is:
If you like your sweet scents more spicy and with a lot of patchouli => go for the original.
If like it more creamy, more vanilla and you like to smell like a top-notch soft, warm vanilla rice dessert (like i do :D) => Extreme is the one for you!!!
Only downside, if you can call it a downside: I like the pink bottle much much more then the dark purple one, ah well... the amethyst color is perhaps more mysterious ;)
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A People looked at me like I fell out of a tree when I first started with all this. It's the same thing: 'Why don't you do more movies?' I'm pleased to answer that question. I wanted to find a way give to the viewer a look behind the scenes at things they usually don't get to see. I wanted to show what is important to me and that I had dedicated my life to it. You get to meet a company of actors who are not famous, but they are the heart and soul of the living theater. You get to really know them and experience the process and what it's like for all of us to work with each other and create this bond.
Q What a whirlwind. How do you keep up your stamina?
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A Everyone is different. When I was a student at Juilliard, I played a messenger, a tavern person, a priest, a soldier (in "Henry IV Part I" in Shakespeare in the Park). I had a total of five lines. One scene was with Mandy Patinkin -- which was nerve-wracking -- and I was doing my first play under the auspices of Joe Papp. But I was like a pig in s -- t. In the theater program you can see a picture of me and (co-star) Val Kilmer.
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A Whenever you go to a play you should pay close attention to the guard and spear carriers. In five years they are going to be the leads. Go back to the Playbills for Broadway productions over the years. "Oh, look: The soldier. His name is Gregory Peck." "Hey, look who played the priest. It's Anthony Quinn." It's remarkable how many people you can name.


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SSA already started construction at Cherry PointPermalink +
Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 11:11 am // John Servais
SSA is destroying wetlands, clearing forests, building roads, and preparing their land at Cherry Point for the coal port. Without permits of any kind. County Planning was ignorant of it until Carl Weimer, walking his dog out there, discovered the clearing and road building work and asked the planning department about it.
Carl Weimer of the Whatcom County Council has posted on his blog a report and a number of photos showing just this.
If there is an explanation for all this, then SSA and Craig Cole should explain it to us. Otherwise, so much for the promises of sensitive, careful environmental development with full compliance of all laws.
Here is a link to the Google Maps view of this area. You can match Carl's snapshots to the area between Longseth and Henry Roads. This is nothing short of SSA starting construction now on the access roads and clearing forest as they prepare the area for building their extensive rail yards for the coal port.
Would Pete Kremen care to explain how his department - under his careful control - has allowed this massive illegal land clearing to take place? Does Pete want to plead ignorance? The buck stops with Pete.
Clayton Petree // Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 11:50 am
What the heck?!?!?
Damon Gray // Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 11:59 am
I honestly don't know yet where I will land on the issue of the coal port at Cherry Point. At this point, there is just too much that is not known. I know there are strong opinions on both sides, and these strong opinions are driving people to say and do things that occasionally arch the eyebrows and cause the head to wag. I also know that, having read Carl's bolg posting, if what he is saying is accurate, I find it very disturbing. Even if I were a staunch advocate in favor of the coal port, procedures must be followed, and it is horribly presumptuous to simply begin clearing without proper permitting and authorizations secured. Particularly given the intense public scrutiny surrounding this issue, regardless of one's position, this move by SSC, if it is indeed what Carl has represented it as being, was just foolish.
Bob Aegerter // Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 12:08 pm
John and readers,
SSA's subcontractor needs to start immediately today to mitigate the damage to the wetlands with the required Best Management Practices before the rains return. Failure to art promptly and responsively will result in silting of wetlands.
Has anyone contacted Department of Ecology and Department of Natural Resources?
This was more that foolish or irresponsible. It was breaking the law.
Bob Aegerter
Tip Johnson // Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 12:24 pm
I'm sure it will turn out that these are just access roads needed to install the monitoring wells and, gee, why was Carl trespassing on SSA's private property anyway? ;-)
Riley Sweeney // Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 12:48 pm
John, you've got the aim all wrong. Carl's article clearly states that the Planning department and the county didn't know this was happening and had not authorized it. Is Pete Kremen responsible for dogs peeing on bushes, and lamplights flickering?
They are looking into and will get to the bottom of it. It is clear to me that SSA Marine is acting without the proper paperwork or approval, and they should be the subject of your ire.
Tip Johnson // Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 1:02 pm
The truth is that SSA has no time to waste. According to leading experts on the coal trade, energy and international trade, there is only a ten year window for selling coal to China.
China has plenty of coal and does not want to import or transport the stuff. The problem is one of regulatory disconnects referred to as the coal-power conflict. Regulators of power generation have been unwilling to raise rates enough to cover the costs of mining coal. This has tanked output from archaic and undercapitalized Village-based enterprises, and caused State-owned, provincial enterprises to also struggle with price while suffering under a dysfunctional, reformed coal regulatory framework.
The Chinese government, recognizing the problem, has plans to build several coal-based industrial centers. They expect it to take about ten years to create industrial parks where the coal is mined, power generated and factories located. This will obviate the need to import or transport, leaving them shipping materials in and product out, instead.
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The bottom line is that there is no margin for delay. Peeling even three years off the window through challenges and appeals significantly reduces the likelihood of the venture being profitable. Working hard to delay it five years, almost certainly kills it dead. Since there is nothing anyone can do to stop trains from taking anything they want anywhere they can, delaying this terminal and the pier are our best hopes of stopping the project. And it looks like the first opportunity has emerged.
Mary Dickinson // Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 1:32 pm
Seriously, this is beyond wrong. Great sleuthing, Carl. Paul Drake would be proud of you! Thanks for getting the word out, John. I guess these people are above the law, and it shouldn't apply to them. Because they are important and special, or something.
David Onkels // Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 5:22 pm
You wrote, "SSA is destroying wetlands,..."
I think that is an unsupportable assertion. You have no knowledge that the site includes wetlands.
Matt Krogh // Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 5:54 pm
The wetlands delineation for the site is publicly
available at the MAP team site; I will happily link you
to my copy of it if you wish.
The map as drawn by Carl clearly shows road construction through wetlands.
It is an easily supportable and accurate assertion.
David Onkels // Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 6:40 pm
So please send me the link, please.
As I'm certain you are aware, wetlands science has evolved. The previous delineation was not developed using the present guidance. My statement stands.
g.h.kirsch // Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 9:30 pm
So really, John. I agree with Riley. Why would you ever expect Kremen to be responsible for anything in Whatcom county?
You, of all, know what a do nothing he's always been. I'd be shocked to find his people in any way engaged in a compliance effort.
How's the campaign going otherwise, Riley? Better luck against Larson this time round.
Riley Sweeney // Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 10:03 pm
The campaign is going well. You should join us Tuesday, August 2nd for Pete's campaign kickoff. You should hear about his ideas for moving our county forward.
g.h.kirsch // Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 10:34 pm
Hey, ain't that great.
After all these years, Pete's got an idea how to move the county forward.
Well, better late than never!
Riley Sweeney // Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 10:44 pm
I will save you a seat, Greg. Wouldn't want to cast a . . . shadow on our working relationship.
Paul deArmond // Sat, Jul 30, 2011, 9:34 am
SSA's attorney claims this is all covered under previous permit for geotechnical work. County still silent. See this article in Crosscut
Jean Melious // Sat, Jul 30, 2011, 12:59 pm
Of course, if the work was being conducted under the 1997 permits, SSA would have been careful to comply with the settlement agreement. It would have ensured that the affected wetlands were within the 5.86-acre footprint authorized by the permits and settlement agreement, and it would have implemented the required mitigation, including creating wetlands on another site and conducting a study. All set forth in the settlement agreement.
Otherwise, it seems like there isn't just a problem with County requirements, but with Section 404 of the Clean Water Act, which requires a permit from the Army Corps of Engineeers.
I'm glad, though, that SSA has decided to go back to its 1997 proposal. That will eliminate a lot of controversy in the County.
Matt Krogh // Sat, Jul 30, 2011, 5:31 pm
@ Dave Onkels: happy to send you SSA's own wetland determinations as filed under their 2011 application as of February 28, 2011. Please get me your email—I'll give you permissions to access it on my Google docs folder, since it's >20 megabytes of delineation files. (Wait! now that I glance at it, they're all available here: + Link While they do indicate "2008," I would suggest that if the project proponent felt they were current as of 2/28/2011, who are we to argue?) Thanks for posting that, Whatcom County.
That written, I'm not convinced wetlands science has changed much in the last five months, but perhaps you're much farther ahead on that than SSA and their contractors. If you are right, they should certainly consider resurveying their property to ensure they aren't overly cautious in protecting the environment.
Whatcom County (which, I believe, you have some connection to) has thoughtfully posted the SSA JARPA application. While not in full color like the larger versions (megabyte-wise), the documentation does include several pages of wetland delineations:
David Onkels // Sun, Jul 31, 2011, 11:09 am
Mr. Krogh,
You wrote, "That written, I'm not convinced wetlands science has changed much in the last five months,..."
You'd be incorrect, and perhaps the following notice from DOE will lead you to reexamine your opinion:
"Amendment to state rules changes the wetland delineation manual
State laws require that wetlands protected under the Growth Management Act and the Shoreline Management Act be delineated using a manual that is developed by Ecology and adopted into rules (RCW 36.70A.175; RCW 90.58.380). The Department of Ecology adopted a wetland delineation manual in 1997 (WAC 173-22-080) that was based on the original 1987 Corps of Engineers manual and subsequent Regulatory Guidance Letters.
During the last few years the Army Corps of Engineers has updated and expanded their delineation manual with regional supplements. To maintain consistency between the state and federal delineations of wetlands, Ecology has repealed WAC 173-22-080 (the state delineation manual) and replaced it with a revision of WAC 173-22-035 that states delineations should be done according to the currently approved federal manual and supplements. The changes are effective, today, March 14, 2011.
The latest federal delineation manual and its supplements should now be used to delineate wetlands in the state.
You can find the federal delineation manual and its supplements on Ecology's Wetland Delineation web page: + Link
March 14, I'm sure you'll, agree was less than five months ago.
Please note that the Washington State Code Reviser's Office web pages have not yet been updated to reflect the rule changes. To see the updated rule language go to: + Link
If you have any questions about wetland delineation, contact:
Tom Hruby, PhD
Senior Ecologist
Washington State Department of Ecology
P.O. Box 47600
Olympia WA 98504
(360) 407-7274
David Onkels // Sun, Jul 31, 2011, 11:18 am
Please excuse the insertion of my parenthetical comment into the body of the announcement. For some reason, I have problems with the margins of my comments on NWCitizen disappearing in the task pane. This has occurred with different computers and different browsers for several years.
Here's the header from the DOE email:
From: ECY RE Wetlands Information [mailto:email@example.com]
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 5:18 PM
To: email@example.com
Subject: Amendment to state rules changes the wetland delineation manual
Matt Krogh // Sun, Jul 31, 2011, 11:43 am
@Dave Onkels:
I've got the same line-wrap margin problem too. Wonder if it's the choice of browser?
Re. your statement that I am incorrect: please note that I wrote about wetlands science not changing in the last five months, not wetlands regulations. Thank you for the updated regulations links.
Can you please explain why you believe harmonizing the State's delineation manual with the USACE manual makes it LESS likely for the corridors Carl mapped to cut through wetlands?
After all, the point of contention is whether or not those corridors cut through our destroyed wetlands, wetlands which exist both on SSA's consultants' maps (did they use USACE or State manual? I have no idea) and the County's, and are also wetlands over which USACE has claimed jurisdiction for this project.
Until a new delineation is made—IF a new delineation is made—our best available options are the determinations made by SSA themselves. And they clearly show wetlands throughout the newly cleared areas.
Jean Melious // Sun, Jul 31, 2011, 12:38 pm
Dave Onkel's whole line of attack is confusing me. If, as SSA's attorney indicated, the company is taking action to its 1997 permit, the wetlands that it is permitted to alter are identified by the settlement agreement. New delineation requirements wouldn't really matter.
If SSA isn't going back to its 1997 project, how much do the "new" delineation requirements matter? Here's what the Department of Ecology has to say- link is + Link
"Hasn?t the federal government been requiring the use of this manual and regional supplements for the last two years?
Yes. Ecology amended its rules to be consistent with Army Corps of Engineers requirements. Starting in 2008, the Corps required the use of its delineation manual and its interim regional supplements. The final regional supplements were released in 2010. During the interim period, Ecology accepted data forms from both the federal and state delineation manuals.
If applicants have to use two different manuals, will this result in two different delineated boundaries?
Based on our experience, it is very rare that wetland boundaries differ when applying the state manual and the new federal manual with applicable supplements. When applied correctly, the two manuals should result in the same boundary. When this is not the case, the applicant should consult with Corps or Ecology wetlands specialists to help determine whether the difference is appropriate."
Sorry, Dave. In any event, for the Corps to exercise its jusrisdiction over wetlands, it seems most likely that the wetlands were delineated under the Corps manual in the first place.
David Onkels // Sun, Jul 31, 2011, 5:50 pm
"When applied correctly, (italics mine) the two manuals should result in the same boundary. When this is not the case, the applicant should consult with Corps or Ecology wetlands specialists to help determine whether the difference is appropriate.?
That's my point. I've read the studies and the original reports submitted in support of them.
I believe that the "wetland consultants" who prepared the original reports were not competent to do the job, and that the reports they submitted are false, and that the wetlands delineated by them are far more extensive than the geohydrology on the site would suggest.
I further note that the report, if there is one in fact, is not submitted over the signature of a person licensed by the State of Washington to conduct hydrogeological studies.
I think that my observations have implications for SSA's actions going forward.
I believe in science and law, and I think that neither SSA nor Whatcom County has been well served to date.
David Onkels // Sun, Jul 31, 2011, 6:06 pm
I wrote, " I believe that the ?wetland consultants? who prepared the original reports were not competent to do the job, and that the reports they submitted are false, and that the wetlands delineated by them are far more extensive than the geohydrology on the site would suggest."
I should have written, "It is my opinion that the "wetland consultants"..."
I usually take care to separate belief from opinion and not to substitute "I believe" for "I think".
I do not claim, of course, competence in the fields of Hydrogeology and "Wetlands Science". My opinion is my own, and I crave data, especially when it is used to support public policy positions. That is especially true with this project, where I have serious questions about the data and conclusions of consultants that I've seen to date.
It would be handy, given the established wrap problem, to at least have a "preview" function here.
On my browser. the "submit" button is a "mit" button.
David Onkels // Sun, Jul 31, 2011, 7:02 pm
A word used by me, in an earlier post: "geohydrology."
It's "Hydrogeology", of course.
Donna Starr // Sun, Jul 31, 2011, 10:15 pm
Did I read Tip Johnson correctly? After 10 years China will not want any more of our coal? Then why the investment and social disaster? Poor communities cut in half by the tracks!
Michael McAuley // Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 12:24 am
Thanks for the link Tip.
Rob Stratton // Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 7:38 am
Seriously did Carl have permission to be there? Is this land open to the public?
Shane Roth // Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 12:31 pm
@Rob Stratton
Seriously… you think we are going to change the subject
just because you don't want to talk about this?
Nice try.
Riley Sweeney // Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 9:45 pm
Check out the King5 report about this issue. Tough words from our county executive.
+ Link
Pete Kremen said "For them to disregard our regulations on something this important just amazes me." He is pushing for something much stronger than a "slap on the wrist."
Rob Stratton // Tue, Aug 02, 2011, 7:48 am
Nice dodge Shane. I noticed you didn't answer my question? I wasn't trying to change the subject and I have no problem talking about it. Why are you assuming so much? You know what they say about those that assume. Because my viewpoint may be different than yours you are going to resort to demagoguery instead of answering a sincere question?
It makes a big difference to me whether he had the right to be there or not. If he did the report has more weight about what he discovered if he trespassed and broke the law to be there than that's is a worse violation than someone using their private property as they wish.
Shane Roth // Tue, Aug 02, 2011, 11:36 am
@Rob Stratton
As I have said before elsewhere, I'll repeat here.
The SSA Marine property is open to hunting.
Carl didn't need permission from SSA Marine to go on that
property with a rifle to shoot a deer.
Therefore, he does not need permission to go on that
same property and shoot a picture.
If Carl can exercise his second amendment rights on that
land, then he is able to exercise his first amendment
rights on that land also.
A mall is also private property, but no one needs
permission from the mall owners to enter the mall and take
Once you invite the public onto your private property,
your expectation of privacy is severely and
VOLUNTARILY limited.
Dodge that.
Garin Wallace, aka Wally // Tue, Aug 02, 2011, 5:42 pm
Really Shane? When a property owner allows hunters on their land, they are also saying that non-hunters are welcome to take pictures, measure, map you property and publish on the internet? hmmm??
So when I give the cable guy permission to come in and replace a box, I am also giving him permission to take pictures, measure my railing, check for drippy faucets, document light bulb types, see which way the TP unrolls, then publish his findings on the internet and call his friends downtown and tell them what he feels might be in violation of codes?
At least you're entertaining if not convincing.
Shane Roth // Tue, Aug 02, 2011, 8:35 pm
What I am saying is this… once you agree to allow the public to gain routine access to your land, your reasonable expectation of privacy is diminished.
You are likening SSA Marine, a ginormous corporation, to you being a private home owner and inviting a cable guy to your property for a specific purpose.
The more accurate analogy is to liken SSA Marine to a shopping mall that invites the public at large to their property.
The mall is owned privately. But the mall has no reasonable expectation of privacy within that part of the mall where the public is INVITED to go.
When you allow a cable guy to your home to fix your cable, you retain the same reasonable expectation of privacy as any home owner. The cable guy is not invited to poke around your property and document your day to day living conditions.
I'm going to guess that you have not signed off on having licensed hunters walk onto your property for the purpose of recreational hunting when you aren't there. If you did, you have agreed to a different expectation of privacy. Like SSA Marine.
A shopping mall can't accuse someone of trespassing because that person is taking pictures of something that might embarrass the owners of the mall property. The mall invited the general public onto the property, the only reasonable expectation that the mall legally enjoys from the public after that is orderly conduct.
I submit that Carl Weimer was conducting himself in an orderly fashion.
Rob Stratton // Thu, Aug 04, 2011, 7:05 am
Shane, simmer down, I can appreciate your "enthusiasm". But I asked a specific question and didn't read what you posted "elsewhere".
Also I might comment that I don't agree with your reasoning. Because a property owners opens his property to a certain class of people does not mean it is open to everyone. The mall and any private property person can also set rules such as "no photos", "no recording" etc. Just went to Up Front Theater and although I really wanted a picture of me and Ryan Stiles, I decided to obey the private establishments rules, I noticed others didn't.
The Mall can remove anybody for any reason and tell you not to come back. And if you do you will be arrested for trespass. Period, they can set a rule that only people wearing blue shirts can shop here, and if you don't abide by that rule you have no "right" to be there.
If I as a property owner put limitation on who is allowed on my property I expect those limitations to be followed.
Also you seem to be lacking in knowledge of what the Second Amendment is about. It has nothing to do with hunting or even with personal self defense. I would be more than happy to help you learn more about that if you are willing.
Unless you are a public servant or employee acting in your public duties, you do have an expectation of privacy. Unless certain "public" aspects and situations apply.
Shane Roth // Thu, Aug 04, 2011, 10:16 am
@Rob Stratton
I am touched by your concern for me and my enthusiasm. I shall endeavor to follow the lead of the folks who have accused Carl Weimer of criminal conduct without the benefit of facts or law… and "simmer down". I wouldn't want to look like I was over reacting now, would I?
SSA Marine actually can't invite a certain class of people onto its property. This was tried in the South to invite only a certain class of people onto private property (white people) and was found to be unlawful.
The Up Front Theater is also a poor example because the only persons invited inside that private property are individual paying customers… which really isn't the same thing as a "class of people". A shopping mall generally doesn't require the public to pay just to enter the building. A person is free to enter a shopping mall without any expectation of having to buy anything.
While it is true that policies can be set regarding photography, I suspect that no such policies are in place for SSA Marine at Cherry Point, and a citizen can't be in violation of a policy that doesn't exist. Furthermore, the right to photograph someone else's private property from public property is well established, and doesn't yield to a property owner's "policy" on the matter.
Also, and this is most important… it is SSA Marine who decides if it has been subject to trespassing. The property owner itself has filed no complaint against Mr Weimer. No one who has complained about this has any legal standing to make such a charge.
There is also the matter of accusing someone of a crime without due process. What does the law say about that?
Rob Stratton // Fri, Aug 05, 2011, 8:01 am
You are right Shane the company admitted wrong and haven't filed charges. And apparently anyone can go traipsing through their property.
But you are absolutely wrong about private property owners not allowing certain folks onto their property.
And trying to equate a "protected" class based on ethnic background is a different beast, and there is a whole separate set of laws that deal with that. And not relative to my point. It would be like saying only hunters are welcome, unless you are (name ethnic background here). Just like Upfront, can't refuse to sell tickets to people of different ethnic background. It does not matter whether they are selling tickets or not.
But as I pointed out private property owners do have the right to say who can or can't be there, as I pointed it out in my blue shirt example.
The 2 amendment is a natural right protected and guaranteed by our Federal and State constitution but if I walked into the mall carrying my rifle, they as private property owners have all the right to say "leave" and I would be arrested if I refused. I doubt you would disagree with that now would you?
Like I said if I set limitations and rules for my private property I would expect them to be followed.
Oh and by the way I detest bigotry but feel "protected" class laws concerning private property are unconstitutional.
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Man taken into custody following bank robbery
February 20, 2013
GLENMOOR — A Columbiana man was taken into custody Tuesday afternoon in connection with a robbery at the Home Savings Bank on Y&O Road. A county sheriff's deputy pulled over a car driven by Tary L....
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