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BIDU and GOOG - BAIDU GOOGLE SPREAD 0 comments
I'm very surprised about how in this financial crisis and luck of money we can see expensive stocks trading at so high PE as BIDU.
I was monitoring BIDU like long term investiment around 100 USD, more than 3 times less of current prices in area 320 USD.
Now, at assuming a 4,56 USD eps, at 100 USD the pe was an acceptable 22.
Now it is 70!
Now I ask me, but if we still are on a bottom formation in the U.s. indexes and still we need to generate the long term buy signal, where will go BIDU when the markets really will become bullish? I could imagine BIDU at 1.000 USD time ago, but I still see a slow grow of earnings, while GOOG as much more solid and constant EPS and is still not suffering so much this crisis that is near the end.
This is the EPS of google
Average EPS for the past year is 20.50 usd
At 250 USD was trading at a pe of 12! was extremely cheap, imagine how much was the fear on world crisis. And BIDU now just 3 months later is alread at 70 of PE.
GOOG now trade at 430 USD so around 22 of PE, always acceptable. I can imagine google to arrive around 7 USD per quarter profit in the next 3/4 years that means that we can see an increase of price from those level of 580 USD and if we add a PE of 30 we can can see new record price above 700 USD.
This is the spread chart of buy BIDU and sell GOOG
Buying in february Bidu and shorting GOOG could mean to have now money doubled in just 6 months!
Just a bet of 10% of portfolio in this strategy was an impressive 10% return.
However, I couldn't be so much stimulated in such operation because of the slow growth of BIDU eps, so today I just am surprices about how expensive is BIDU and how investors are just putting money on Brasil, Russia, China, India stocks may be with again few consideration about what they are buying at so high PE.
That's all,
see you next post!
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The Legend Of Zelda: Twilight Princess
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Project Hammer
Sry for the double posting, I don't know wut got into me....But i'm only going to be getting 2 or 3 anyway. Like most of us I've got...limited funds so i'm making the best out of it.
Red Steel
(possibly)Dragon Quest:MQ&TS
I won't be able to handle to many, plus that line up is perfect, u could replace any three of them w/ SMG or Corruption, because they're all long games, so when i get tired of one(somehow)I move on to another. It would take a long time to beat all of those, at least long enough till SSBB's release anyways...
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Super Smash Bros Brawl
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WOO! My Wii has finally been dispatched, so I shoud get it tommorrow! Now you can all stop crying for me .
Games I wanna get in order.
Super Smash Brawl
Twilight Princess
Super Mario Galaxy
Red Steel
Final Fantasy (forgot the name)
Mario Kart (Wii)
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For me the most I want is Brawl.
Its the sequel to Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles, so its like Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles2.Originally Posted by Brokine
Do u mean that's the order ur buying them in, or the order for favorite to least favorite? Cuz if that's ur buying list in order it's not possible, SSBB and MK(Wii) don't come out till 2007.
I will like to see how mario kart (wii) will be, cause I love mario Kart games... the prob is that the gameplay is not too long
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So is it possible that (if he downloads his profile to my xbox),
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Or does we have to play it on my console so i get achievements,
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Adding any form of macros or additional scopes and indirections, including symbolic constants, is not just redundant, but changes CSS in ways that make it unsuitable for its intended audience. Given that there is currently no alternative to CSS, these things must not be added.
If developed, it should be a module that is used off the Web, though. Macros are a help for authors, not for the semantic Web. The Web's main formats, HTML, CSS, SVG, PNG, JPEG, etc., already have all the structure they need. Adding an extra, independent structure would just make them more difficult to process
Base css:
h1, h2, h3 { color: red; }
.standout-text { color: red; }
.nav-section { background-image: url(graphics/default/nav-bg.gif); }
li { list-style-image: url(graphics/default/my-bullet.gif); }
Widget css:
@import url(base.css);
h1, h2, h3 { color: blue; }
.standout-text { color: blue; }
.nav-section { background-image: url(graphics/blue/nav-bg.gif); }
li { list-style-image: url(graphics/blue/my-bullet.gif); }
Without variables, if i add a new style element to the base.css whose color changes for each section, i have to go back to each section's css file and add a new statement to override that element's default color.
It would be so much easier if i could do something like (using swa66's syntax):
Base css:
@variables {
schemeColor : red;
schemeGraphicsDir : default;
h1, h2, h3 { color: var(schemeColor); }
.standout-text { color: var(schemeColor); }
.nav-section { background-image: url(graphics/var(schemeGraphicsDir)/nav-bg.gif); }
li { list-style-image: url(graphics/var(schemeGraphicsDir)/my-bullet.gif); }
Widget css:
@variables {
schemeColor : blue;
schemeGraphicsDir : blue;
@import url(base.css);
Then i can add/remove style elements to base.css as needed without going back and changing all the section-specific css files. Right now, the website is totally accessible, it works well with or without styling, Javascript, or images.
I'll play with it if I find the time to do so, but e.g using a simple php script you could have the variable as php variable and generate a CSS file as you need.
The syntax there is something I borrowed from an earlier post of SuzyUK. And for all clarity I'm not trying to promote it.
The scoping of variables into other files is going to be a nightmare I didn't even think about. Such files are cached by the browser individually. But if you scope the variables to be active outside the file they are defined in, it's going to quickly turn very complex.
And next there will be a call for global variables, local variables etc. While I'm still not convinced we need them at all.
Just an example of what you posted:
@variables {
schemeColor : red;
h1, h2, h3 { color: var(schemeColor); }
.standout-text { color: var(schemeColor); }
Why not write it as
h1, h2, h3, .standout-text { color: red; }
The same goes for your files: do all in black&white in the base file
only add colors over it in the specific file and load both as you need them (no need for the @import, you can easily load both with a link in the header)
apart from the fact you've possibly/likely inadvertently hit on the next "expected" thing this proposal should have (i.e. be able to @import @imports - I think this is where it goes to technical talk like macros and processing.. i.e. hit time)
In what you're showing us are you going to or already have? scripted the decision how/if to call a particular "widget.css"?
if so why not just script in the unique html or body ID and use CSS specificity, that way no need to change add variables anywhere, no need to change base.css, widget CSS can be called once and be particularly specific to not only the variables, but also the area of the site you've designated.. 2 sheets only (no variables required)
edit: sorry, my speeling is soo bad!
[edited by: SuzyUK at 10:57 pm (utc) on Oct. 15, 2008]
The html I played with:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?>
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"

<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="css.php" />
And the css.php :
//set the type to text/css
header("Content-type: text/css");
body {
background-color: <?php echo $background ?>;
h1, h2 , h3, h4 , h5 , h6 {
color: <?php echo $color ?>;
This is very basic, php is a much more elaborate programming language and adding parameter in the call to it, if/then/else, even loops, calculations and all you cold imagine is possible.
Variables also have scopes, you have includes and all you might ever imagine.
The only somewhat unusual portion is to set the content-type to text/css (css must be served as such).
For the rest you have all php can do ...
Why not write it ash1, h2, h3, .standout-text { color: red; }

;
;
; etc.
.themea {color:red}
An advantage of this is that you can add multiple things to that class:
.themea {color:red;background-color:blue}
A single variable would not be able to cater for adding additional properties to all locations using that variable.
@swa66: just google "css variables" and you will find a multitude of php scripts that already exists. Some of them very advanced.
@vincevincevince: You suffer from divitis, classitis and iditis. Do as swa66 and SuzyUK suggest, go as high up in the document tree as you can to specify.
Not following exactly what you mean by this, especially "nolonger used as a seperate language but as integrated part of php".
What I mean is exactly this:
This is very basic, php is a much more elaborate programming language and adding parameter in the call to it, if/then/else, even loops, calculations and all you cold imagine is possible.
Variables also have scopes, you have includes and all you might ever imagine.
Put this into perspective when SuzyUK says:
If it were extended, where do you think the next step would take it.. "based on" type conditional variables? if/else variables?, that sounds pretty much like it's one step closer to programming/scripting capability to me. At the very least it's taking a "simple mechanism" and adding layer upon layer of something which is not necessary to its original function.
My question then is, what is the difference between adding constants to CSS and using preprocessing? I would say: adding constants is just one little thing while preprocessing is an immediate addition of a complete programming language. So what happens if "the masses" discover the flexibility of PHP? In time it will probably mean that CSS is no longer used "stand-alone" but as an integrated part of a php-file. Opening the very box of Pandora we are trying to prevent.
[edited by: Bert36 at 11:04 am (utc) on Oct. 16, 2008]
=Bert36 (POST#3) [webmasterworld.com]I thought you were right (about Bert Bos being wrong)CSS style sheets are short. They are not much bigger than one editor window. Very few people (only professional designers, it seems) write style sheets longer than a hundred lines.
There is so much wrong with this one sentence I know hardly where to begin.
Now, thanks to mattur's thread (MAMA: What is the Web made of? Opera's new analysis of web page structure [webmasterworld.com] I know how wrong
dev.opera.com/articles/view/mama-key-findings/#css [dev.opera.com]
MAMA: Key findings
CSS is clearly a dominant Web technology, found in 2,821,141 MAMA URLs (80.39%). Several methods are available to authors for using style sheets, and MAMA detected all of them. Let us look at some quick results:
- Embedded and Inline CSS (via the STYLE element and Style attributes respectively) each had an average length of about 1,000 characters.
- The average length of external CSS (referenced via the LINK element) is about 8,500 characters.
- External and Inline CSS were both used in approximately 65% of all CSS cases, while Embedded CSS is found in ~45% of all CSS ... there is obviously some significant overlap between these CSS inclusion methods.
Either Bert Bos had a very tall editor window or a very short grasp on reality
@vincevincevince: You suffer from divitis, classitis and iditis. Do as swa66 and SuzyUK suggest, go as high up in the document tree as you can to specify.
By having a second class on the elements which are in the first colour and a different second class on the elements which are in the second colour I am certain to only need to change the colour code in one place.
Class entries in CSS are semantic-neutral. I have no objection to their use.
Upstream CSS entries do not achieve this.
I'm sorry if I'm outta line, but IMHO this is a prime example of folks not really understanding CSS properly and using the other side (the programming side which they understand better perhaps?) to say CSS itself is deficient.
CSS Frameworks are useful as an INTRODUCTION to learning CSS, or just getting a job done by the numbers - much like FP was to HTML. But they are not a true representation of how CSS actually works, they encourage bad practice, code bloat, both HTML and CSS, divitis, classitis etc. The performance hit time of a bloated sheet is now considered so minimal that it has gotten out of hand, leading to maintainability issues which now require yet another supposed solution.. I despair - are the JS libraries the same?
Bos is half-right, wrong with the size of the average sheet perhaps, but absolutely right that they probably do not need to be as big as they are, frameworks are doing nothing to disillusion that fact, but frameworks are an outer module so all is well use them or don't.. it's your choice, but don't bring the "solution" for bad coding practice into CSS itself
Yes, I do often feel like saying resistance is futile ;)
My question then is, what is the difference between adding constants to CSS and using preprocessing? I would say: adding constants is just one little thing while preprocessing is an immediate addition of a complete programming language.
I don't know any more than what I said earlier, except that it's probably not just another little addition.. I'm not that technically minded, that's half the reason I like CSS so much .. it and I just go with flow, and we programme enhancements /modules/widgets using the right tool
However I think the recent CSS Working group resolutions might just offer that first clue?
from the W3C Css Blog [w3.org] - Minutes and Resolutions from August:
CSS Variables
- Daniel presented some changes to the CSS Variables proposal and Hyatt's experimental implementation in WebKit.
- Several people felt that parse-time macros would be preferable, and would indeed be required for handling multi-declaration substitution.
So if I'm reading that right even the "simple" addition would start to cause problems straight off, and this is where the browsers would have to get more complex from the get go, or am I way out, and just what is a "parse-time" macro in english?
My question then is, what is the difference between adding constants to CSS and using pre-processing? I would say: adding constants is just one little thing while pre-processing is an immediate addition of a complete programming language. So what happens if "the masses" discover the flexibility of PHP? In time it will probably mean that CSS is no longer used "stand-alone" but as an integrated part of a php-file. Opening the very box of Pandora we are trying to prevent.
Using php to "pre-process" css programmatically is not the same as adding "programming" capabilities to css itself. Nor does using a programming language to manipulate css mean css has been "integrated" into that programming language.
Nor do I view using a programming language such as php to manipulate css as a "Pandora's Box" that should be kept closed. Unless php (and other programming languages are somehow "banned" that box is well and truly open and long may it stay that way. I see nothing wrong with coders learning and employing languages as they were designed to be employed.
Using php (or other programming language) to manipulate css is about coders selecting from a range of available options to suit relevant needs/skill levels/preferences, etc. Embedding "programming" or "programming-like" capabilities into css is just that. Per my opening post - and as illustrated by later examples, I still think that calls for this to overcome perceived deficiencies would disappear if some coders allocated a little of their complaining and "wish list" time to learning css enough to grasp that much of what they want to be able to do is already possible. Or not. Because css wasn't designed to perform that function.
css is supposed to provide a simple mechanism for applying style to documents in way that separates style from content. Per my opening post, what I am still looking for is material that directly addresses the single and simple issue: How changing the fundamental nature of css will improve the ability of css to achieve what is designed to achieve.
That's not about protecting anyone from the apparently destructive masses, nor about making css emulate this or that programming language, nor about coders choice of class/variable names, nor about arguing the granular detail of code snippets.
Its about how these modifications are going to improve the liklihoood coders will learn css well enough so the modifications will be used well enough to improve the application of style while keeping content and style separate - and by that means improve delivery to the user.
suzyUK - jusy saw your post. Looks like we're batting from a similar box
Sorry, forgot:
parse-time macros are...well it is difficult to say in that context. It depends on what they are talking about. It could mean they want PHP or even JavaSScript to handle it, like we are talking about here, but it may also mean they are thinking about things like Ruby. I guess the problem they are facing has to do with how to anticipate what value is to be substituted. The obvious way around this is to first "parse" the script to find all the values and then to parse it for real to create the page. (Like an interpreting language e.g. Visual Basic) But I could be way off here. Again, I don't understand the context in which they wrote it.
Oh [yet another edit] Yes SuzyUK, JS frameworks are the same I fear. It started out as a good and simple idea. It filled the hole many felt was left by the sluggish constructs of JavaScript. these days I see more and more people unable to program JavaScript but having no problem to alter ready-made Prototype/MooTools/jQuery scripts.
So all in all, when I look at the past and consider CMS and JS frameworks, I fear for CSS if it does not evolve by itself.
[edited by: Bert36 at 8:32 am (utc) on Oct. 18, 2008]
So I did some php script (mind you I am bad at php so excuse my ugly code) to aid me in calculating a vertical rhythm. As it turned out, I thought it was rather handy, but seeing as I am not very versed in php I posted it in the appropriate forum; here: [webmasterworld.com...]
Anyway, even though I hope this script will evolve somehow and become usable. I still think it could be done much more elegantly and more efficiently if we had direct access to the parsed CSS computed values.
If I could refer to the font-size value of another element inside my stylesheet I would not need another scripting language to do that like jQuery or phpQuery. And don't tell me it would bloat the UA because it must be implemented. It already IS implemented. How else can the browser calculate computed values and refer the parents font-size to determine em-values? It is not a matter of creating a new type of parser, it is a matter of making the parser accessible from within CSS directly.
Back to the example. Imagine you could just write in your CSS:
h1, h2, h3, h4, h5 {
margin-top: eval(2 * this.line-height);
Beats the hell out of:
h1 {
margin-top: 1.76538765em;
h2 {
margin-top: 1.166666667em;
h3 {
margin-top: 1em;
h4 {
margin-top: 0.9866666em;
etc. (you get the idea)
Back to the example. Imagine you could just write in your CSS:
h1, h2, h3, h4, h5 {
margin-top: eval(2 * this.line-height);
imagining... how many passes through the stylesheet(s) a browser would have to make before it gets to that final computed line-height - it will be at least twice as it must get to the end, of all sheets, imported or otherwise, to allow for the "cascade" - before it can go back and render the "computed" margins?.. imagining also that this is a perfect world and folks have used the cascade properly
sorry but IMHO, that means we'll be back to table style rendering in no time (note: lessons learned means CSS offers a choice for that now too) . i.e. the important content cannot render until the browser gets the counting right, hmm I so don't want to go back there CSS or otherwise
And don't tell me it would bloat the UA because it must be implemented. It already IS implemented. How else can the browser calculate computed values and refer the parents font-size to determine em-values?
Aside from that, calculations for such things as ems are relative to the parent of the relevant element. That works with the cascade, inheritance and is intuitive for "top-down" ua loading. Maximising a computers ability to process information very quickly (as referred by another poster)
The example given has the potential to step outside that. Rather than maximising processing speed, it depends on processing speed to deliver to the user within a reasonable time. And that, to me, for at least the reasons identified by SuzyUk, is very troubling.
h4 {
margin-top: 0.9866666em;
etc. (you get the idea)
sorry but IMHO, that means we'll be back to table style rendering in no time (note: lessons learned means CSS offers a choice for that now too)
Bert, I don't think you are too "old" (I am, anyhow), or afraid of the web taking its positive potential. What I can't figure is why you support introducing an unnecessary complication to a mechanism that is supposed to aid access to information.
It was that mess that provided the impetus for w3, caused many of us to embrace the concepts of style/content separation, server-side over browser-side programming, device/platform/ua independence, design with regard for accessibility and usability, begin to use terms like "valid" and "conforming" - and of course, css.
To me, the idea of serving and styling content as a function of scripting has already been tested and rejected. To bang the old drum ;) - still waiting for an answer as to how these whiz-bang really super programmer thingies will achieve superior delivery to the user.
Even Microsoft who introduced a non-standard CSS expression (javascript alike thing) since IE5 is starting to stop it in IE8. The days of expressions in CSS seem to be counted in favor of either server side or javascript solutions.
A few weeks ago I came across phpQuery, which is a port of jQuery that runs server-side. And then I came across Jaxer. The last I do not quite grasp, but as I understand it, it renders everything server-side and then delivers it to the UA.
These kind of technologies would give us -as designers- the benefit of knowing for sure that users will all get the same picture, on the other hand, it would pose a higher security threat to the servers and put a much higher (CPU) load on them. So in the end, wouldn't it be the same difference?
Anyway, I am getting slightly off-topic here.
CSS files are sort of "parsed" multiple times already. Consider this example:
#content {
font-size: 10px;
h1 {
font-size: 1.2em;
#sidebar {
font-size: 14px;
When the parser gets at h1, it can immediately calculate that font-size needs to be 12px inside the #content box. But it doesn't know yet how much it must calculate for the #sidebar box. Because that one comes later in the cascade.
I am no expert on css-parsers, but I *think* UAs simply store values as-they-are inside the DOM, replacing them as they go down the cascade, and then start calculating at the end. If so, I don't see anything wrong with (2*line-height). it can be stored as-is like any other value and be calculated afterwards when the entire cascade is known. The only difference would be that the parser would have to have an extra repository for storing constants. (this is also the reason I think why we are talking constants and not variables, as only the last declared value in the cascade can be used).
Doing it like this would not pose any kind of security threat, it would put no load on the server and we would not have to worry about users having something disabled so it won't work.
Will it increase rendering time? Probably, but I am sure we are talking seconds here, not minutes. And if a user is willing to wait for photo's and flash loading taking more than 30 sec. I don't think they mind 2 or 3 seconds for the rendering to take place.
Besides, when we use Javascript or server-side solutions, it will take the same extra time anyway (probably even more so as I tried to demonstrate with my rhythm-script), so this argument is arbitrary.
I am not advocating scripting/programming capabilities in CSS which are *like* javascript/php, I am merely advocating the possibility to be more flexible when it comes to assigning values to properties in CSS. (why can I absolutely position containers based on the last relative ancestor and not on the first, and why can I set the font-size based on the parent and not on the sibling? It makes no sense to me.)
Having said all this, I also agree with everything you say. These kind of capabilities in CSS could be misused, misunderstood and could be the beginning of the end as well (just to dramatise it a bit ;-)).
But this is true for everything.
Just on a related side-note. Recently I had to teach on a local school here, and I wanted to have some examples of good CSS usage. So I started looking at real-life source codes. I thought I would find the good stuff from the big web design companies........The horror. One table layout after the other.
Despite all "our" efforts and all this time, the big companies that churn out the big company websites still abuse tables.
My (I am a pessimist at heart) view with any kind of technology, discovery and invention is: Most people will abuse it because it is easier then not to. The road to hell truly is paved with good intentions(/inventions).
The major advantage of (X)HTML/CSS is that there are published standards/best-practices/guidelines of usage associated with them. php/javascript and all the derived frameworks of them, do not!
In theory it is already possible to style a page completely with jQuery (or another framework) without any css-file associated with it. In fact, jQuery does a better job of complying to CSS standards then any/most browsers do. I predict a time when all styling will be done client- or server-side by scripting and not by css-like constructs. Simply because of the flexibility advantages. Maybe this can be avoided when CSS itself gives us more flexibility?
[edited by: Bert36 at 10:17 am (utc) on Oct. 25, 2008]


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30 years ago, the sixteenth and final issue of Pizzazz magazine was published by Marvel Comics at a retail price of 75 cents. In addition to cover stories like "Linda Ronstadt: Rock's Superwoman" and "Is Meat Loaf the Cutest Cultural Development Since the Pickle?", Pizzazz published what is arguably the very first addition to the Star Wars Expanded Universe - a serialized comic titled "The Keeper's World". Appearing in October 1977, only 5 months after the theatrical release of what was not yet known as Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, it comfortably pre-dates Alan Dean Foster's Splinter of the Mind's Eye (March 1978) and even Marvel's own Star Wars #7 comic (January 1978). (previously)
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UWM hangs onto lead, defeats Marquette in soccer
The UW-Milwaukee men's soccer team found itself up, 2-1, over crosstown rival Marquette with 10 minutes left Friday night, the exact position the Panthers were in last season against the Golden Eagles.
But 2012 wasn't kind to the Panthers, with the Golden Eagles pulling out a 3-2 victory thanks to two goals in the game's final 10 minutes, including the winner in the final second.
"Was it in the back of my mind? Absolutely," UWM coach Kris Kelderman said of the 2012 finish.
But this is 2013. And the Panthers held on for the 2-1 win to reclaim the Milwaukee Cup in front of a record crowd of 3,312 at Engelmann Field.
"It was pretty trying to the finish," Kelderman said. "But I give our guys a lot of credit. That's a very good team. It's always a big game with the Milwaukee Cup, with what's on the line."
UWM notched the game-winning goal in the 27th minute when Rami Younes broke free from MU defender Paul Dillon down the right sideline and crossed the ball to Austin Toth, who drilled it past goalkeeper Charlie Lyon.
MU coach Louis Bennett said the play was a "miscue" by Dillon, who he said lost his footing in the process.
"Mistakes happen in the game and you have to take the rough with the smooth," Bennett said.
It wasn't a lack of effort that kept MU from the equalizer. The Golden Eagles drilled two shots on goal in the first four minutes of the second half, but both went straight to freshman goalkeeper Liam Anderson, who finished with six saves.
"I didn't think that we were not capable of getting back into it," Bennett said. "When they didn't come, then the game starts to get a little faster, in terms of the time ticking. I think that, almost like sand through our hands, it began to slip away. The last couple of minutes I didn't think we had the impetus to really put extra pressure on them."
Ranked as one of the 10 best rivalries in college soccer by College Soccer News, the offensive torch was lit early with UWM notching the game's first goal exactly one minute into the game, the seventh-fastest goal scored in Panthers history.
"The first few minutes of the game is pretty stressful for both teams," Kelderman said. "There's a lot a nerves out there on the field. When you're fortunate enough to get a goal that early it takes a little weight off your back."
UWM's victory over No. 12 Marquette (NSCAA) was the Panthers' first over a ranked opponent since Oct. 16, 2005, when they defeated No. 22 Northern Illinois.


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Did you have previous prgramming experience before starting college? If, so how much did it help? Would you have gotten the degree without the previous experience?
A question for those of you that have CS degrees
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 05:12 PM
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 06:32 PM
2) Yes, when I attended school I was able to skip (test out) of nearly 18 months worth of classes, and I was able to study interesting stuff and easily slide over the stuff I already knew.
3) Most people start into their CS degree without any prior experience. What matters is that you have the right mindset and actually work hard at the subject. You get out of your education whatever you put in to it. I could have chosen to slack off and still earn my degree, but I would have gotten almost nothing out of those years. Instead I chose to work hard and seriously study the topics I wanted, and put it a reasonable effort on the topics I found distasteful.
Relative to the real work force, education is fairly easy. It doesn't take much effort to master the material and earn high grades (and scholarships). Most people don't learn this fact until after they finish school.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 06:36 PM
2. It would have. I probably could have picked up another major with time saved. Math was probably equally important, but my degree was applied math and computer science, not just CS.
3. I did.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:19 PM
I haven't finished my degree yet but:
1. Yes, I started programming (in Pascal) when I was 11.
2. It helps me considerably in computer science and math (especially discrete math) classes. There are a lot of concepts I already know that others need time to assimilate. It gives me a lot of free to time to get ahead (or slack off )
3. I think I wouldn't be in this course at all without the previous experience - after all, you need some sort of interest in the subject - but theoretically speaking, I suppose yes. Clearly people without prior experience are getting CS degrees, so why shouldn't I be able to?
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:29 PM
Yes tons of experience programming on my own before studying CS. Not only has it helped me, it made the curriculum seem a little boring (not hard enough). To be honest if you have lots of experience going in its best to double up on something like mathematics.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:09 PM
1) Some. I dabbled in basic for a few years before college.
2) Hard to say. I found the programming parts of my CS degree pretty easy.
3) Probably. The harder parts were the maths, logic and language theory classes.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:28 PM
I got my degree from Carnegie Mellon, which is a bit more discrete math and theory oriented than a lot of other CS programs, at least from what I hear. I'd been programming since pretty much forever before I started and I had pretty good experience with math too. The programming experience helped, but not overwhelmingly so. I know people who had never programmed before who managed to do fine, although they definitely had to do a bit more work. I think I'd have survived without previous programming experience; probably less so without previous math experience (most of the people I know who stopped doing computer science seemingly did so because of the math, not the programming, although I don't have enough data points to say that that's necessarily true in general).
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:24 PM
1) Yes, I had studied C and JavaScript before starting college in the distant future, the year 2000.
2) Considering there was almost no real programming instruction at my university, but more of a sink-or-swim attitude towards being able to apply the theory we learned into valid syntax, I would say it helped immensely. I just wasn't under the same amount of stress as my fellow students who had not started early, so I think I learned a lot of the theoretical stuff easier, knowing that implementation would not be an issue for me.
3) I probably wouldn't have gone into CS at all, probably would have done either Fine Art or some other form of Applied Mathematics instead. I went into CS thinking I'd do 3D programming, thinking it'd be a reasonable amalgamation of those two ideas. WRONG ON BOTH ACCOUNTS!
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:26 PM
- I'd been programming extensively for around 5 years, and had a solid mathematics background as well.
- It definitely helped - most CS programs place very little emphasis on teaching programming, and you are expected to pick that up on the side.
- If I hadn't started with a programming background, I might have had to actually study.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:23 AM
- When I started reading my degree at age 20, I already had 12 years experience in programming.
(In GWBASIC, then QB, VB4 and VB6... -I think a lot of CS students start due to personal interest. Here in DK at least, kids have all the surplus to undertake long educations based on their hobbies, less on what pays off in the end.)
- It did help. I understood some things better, and managed to teach programming to other students during team work.
- - Would I've picked(started studying) the degree at all?
I don't think I would've gained the same level of interest. Then it would've been due to playing computer games, or messing with electronics.
- Would I have gotten the degree after picking the degree?
Yes, -maybe I would even have been less arrogant and achieved higher grades.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:30 AM
I had been programming for around 15 years before starting my degree. Started with a good old 48k speccy. I think it helped a lot. I don't think any of the concepts at degree level were completly new to me whilst others on my course seemed to think there was some kind of VooDoo going on every time a new concept was introduced.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:25 AM
Did you have previous prgramming experience before starting college? If, so how much did it help? Would you have gotten the degree without the previous experience?
Yes. I also started programming with BASIC at the age of 6.
Before going to the university, I also studied CS at school, and self-taught - by reading books - various programming languages (C, C++, Pascal and so on) .
I would have gotten my degree even without the previous experience, but it did help a lot. Especially in the basic courses.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 07:12 AM
I should add to my previous comment that although it did give me some kind of advantage, there were people on my degree who had never touched a programming language before they started who just naturally grasped the programming concepts.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 10:02 AM
1) Yeah, I'd been using BASIC for a while, and had some of the C++ fundamentals down before starting university
2) I was able to breeze through most of the programming courses in my first year
3) Yes, but the experience did help
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 06:41 PM
I'm still doing my degree but:
1) Barely. The only "programming" experience I had was a simple add/remove item script for TES 4 Oblivion.
2) How much that script helped me? I'd say about nothing. As for if that hindered my learning in any way. I'd say that learning to code wasn't difficult, I enjoy it. I had more troubles with non-programming courses (damn you mathematics! though I learned a lot after I did Algebra and Mathematical Analysis courses again ). Still, most of the programming is made in your own time.
Thing is, programming, before going to uni, was this arcane thing that seemed impossible. First, I had absolutely no idea where begin. Compiler? Source code? Never heard of them. Second, it seemed an impossible task. I was amazed by some of the scripting Oblivion's modders did.
Once I got my feet wet in uni, learning the basics properly (aka, this is an algorithm, this is a control structure, etc) it sunk it and I began to understand much better what programming was. Now I'm in my third year (actually fourth, as I said, had to do some courses again) and learning a lot, and I like it. Pretty happy with this "coding" stuff
3) It would have made 0 difference. As I mentioned, I already had no idea about programming.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 07:11 PM
I had some friends go in it on pretty much ground zero and graduate just fine. I had been programming since I was old enough to know how to type on a keyboard.. which kind of made me a class tutor of sorts. But don't fret too much.. one of the things a CS degree teaches you is the importance of being able to stick with tough challenges until they are solved. I will admit though that most of the hardest programming challenges I tackled in college were self-inflicted and a result of finding cool outside projects to do with friends. Oh, and my CS degree is from Penn State University for reference.
It's funny how some of you have been around so damn long that you've managed to go from wet behind the ears beginners to industry professionals.. what a difference 14 years makes. lol
Edited by Michael Tanczos, 19 February 2013 - 07:12 PM.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:51 AM
Yes, since I was 8 years old I had programmed in Basic. It helped me a lot during the first year of the course, especially on the logic, data structures and algorithm classes.
The previous programming experience has helped me to focus myself on the theoretical side of things and had given me knowledge to debate with me teachers, which was something that someone without any kind of experience couldn't do. But still, I would have gotten the degree even without prior experience and I´ve know many good programmers that had gotten into uni without any kind of programming experience.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 04:57 PM
(1)Did you have previous programming experience before starting college?
(2)If, so how much did it help?
(3)Would you have gotten the degree without the previous experience?
1: Yes, tried teaching myself various languages on and off starting a few years before going in for the degree
2: It made the first half of a few courses' coursework quick and easy, but quickly highlighted ways I had mis-trained myself. Bad practices from shoddy tutorials, hubris that needed to be scoured away, adhering to certain languages out of favoritism...one of the best things I learned in the program was how to pick up new languages and be open to new paradigms and styles.
Also, personal research made me familiar with a lot of varied concepts that cropped up in electives and random scenarios throughout the degree. This is just another reason why "just doing the coursework" with no side projects or personal interests will make you a mediocre programmer at best.
3: If you mean "would I have survived/passed my classes" then yes. Most college undergrad programs assume their students know absolutely nothing coming in, and there are plenty of resources to help you through. I'm objectively on the more-intelligent end of the human spectrum (not genius, just clever) so that helped me too. If you pick things up quickly, take that as an extra boost for your confidence in making it through.
If you mean "would I have even decided to go into CS if I hadn't done programming before-hand" I'd say probably not. My self instruction attempts told me it was something I was interested in, but bad at teaching myself with no foundating. I wanted to get the formal education environment to really succeed at learning it.
Interestingly, I took an elective as a freshman in high school where we did programming in Turbo Pascal, and I hated it then. I came back to programming about 8 years later when I got interested in gamedev, and that was the "prior programming" that eventually got me to get the degree.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:20 PM
I had about five years of experience going in. It was a large help in my first two years, and fell off sharply after that. It's been almost zero advantage in graduate studies, which have a lot of math and not very much programming.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:49 PM
Previous experience helped immensely. Most of my first two years were very easy, but I still picked up new details that I hadn't learned before. The remainig two years were much more advanced and much more interesting because the material was all new (databases, networks, operating system architecture, parser and compiler theory, distributed components, etc).
Skipping courses at my college was kind of a bad idea though since we weren't allowed to fill "core requirements" with classes categorized as "elective", so I had to take dull differential equations instead of something fun.
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The Sertoma Football Classic's past, present and future converged on the night of Aug. 22, 2002.
Johnson Hagood Stadium
(Gates open at 4 p.m., games begin at 5 p.m.)
Lincoln vs. Baptist Hill
North Charleston vs. Kingstree
Military Magnet vs. Academic Magnet
*Wando vs. Hanahan
Pinewood Prep vs. Burke
West Ashley vs. St. John's
*James Island vs. Stratford
Palmetto Christian vs. Garrett Tech
Stall vs. Colleton County
Ashley Ridge vs. Woodland
*Summerville vs. Bishop England
Northwood vs. Porter-Gaud
Cane Bay vs. Fort Dorchester
*Berkeley vs. Goose Creek
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Stratford running back Rodney Kinlaw took a pitchout and raced 70 yards for a touchdown against North Charleston in front of 9,500 fans at The Citadel's Johnson Hagood Stadium.
His father, Rodney Sr., was in attendance. The elder Kinlaw scored on a 38-yard touchdown run when he played for Macedonia in the 1983 Sertoma Classic. Also sitting in the stands was 7-year-old Caleb Kinlaw, who was there to cheer on big brother.
Kinlaw Sr. remembered two things about that night: Rodney's run and Caleb's words.
"He told me he was going to be better than Rodney. Caleb was saying that even back then," he said.
Caleb, a senior running back for the Goose Creek Gators, will make his fourth and final appearance in this year's Sertoma Classic, which features games Thursday and Friday. He will showcase his skills during Day 2 of Sertoma when the Gators play Berkeley in a two-quarter scrimmage Friday.
Rodney Kinlaw remembers his 70-yards touchdown well. He used the Sertoma Classic as a springboard to a great senior season when he earned all-state honors and a scholarship to Penn State. He also remembers the pageantry of the event.
"It was a special feeling to walk out on that field," Rodney Jr. said. "The field was manicured and there was a big crowd in the stands. Back then, it was on local television and it was the only way you could see the action if you stayed at home. It was before YouTube."
Kinlaw Sr. said playing in the Sertoma Classic was special even if the action didn't count in the statistics or standings.
"I was a different person when I played in Sertoma," he said. "I knew I was going to have some big plays. We had a good team and a solid line, which made my job a lot easier. I remember that Matthew Bradberry was one of our linemen. He went on to coach at Berkeley High School."
Caleb, the youngest of the Kinlaw bunch, has rushed for more than 3,000 yards in his career and has earned a scholarship to play at Georgia Tech.
His memory of Rodney's touchdown run in 2002 is a bit hazy, but admits to making the statement about being better than his older brother.
"We're every competitive," Caleb Kinlaw said. "We're competitive in everything we do. We don't like to lose or finish second. But I listen to him. He tells me to play every play at 110 percent and that's what I do. He tells me to approach football as if it were my job, and I do."
Kinlaw has been part of a Goose Creek program that has won 40 of its last 42 games on the field.
"It's hard to believe this is my fourth Sertoma," he said. "I'm just as excited for this year as I was when I was a freshman. It's a great way to start the season. Sertoma means football season is here."
The Sertoma Classic is a charity event for the Sertoma Club of Charleston and sponsored by the CT Lowndes and Co.


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The $12 million, one-of-a-kind Army Experience Center in Northeast Philadelphia will close July 31, ending a high-tech marketing program that exposed tens of thousands of people to the military and the possibility of service.
At the Franklin Mills center, visitors engage in mock missions aboard a full-size humvee and two massive helicopters equipped with Disney-grade simulators. The facility has touch-screen computers that detail Army job opportunities, salaries, educational benefits, and base locations around the world.
For all its costly gadgetry, the two-year pilot program was not intended to be permanent. It was designed to determine the most effective tools for public outreach, Army officials said.


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THE MODEST three-game winning streak the Phillies took into their weekend series with the Chicago Cubs didn't do much to dull the senses of the man in charge of maintaining the team's high-salaried-but-underachieving roster.
General manager Ruben Amaro Jr., in his sixth year on the job, is well aware of the advantages of the July 31 trade deadline. He made impactful moves in each of his first 4 years on the job, trading for the likes to Cliff Lee and Hunter Pence, and also trading away Shane Victorino and Pence.


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