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- 1 Who owns the copyright to the Chapel?
- 2 Repainting?
- 3 Dates
- 4 Rapahel's Tapestries and the Conclave
- 5 Delisted GA
- 6 Was clothing added during the restoration?
- 8 Official name
- 9 What is the origin of the name?
- 10 Pop Culture References
- 11 Use of Scaffold for painting the ceiling
- 12 Glen Davis, art expert?
- 13 Division of frescos into separate articles
- 14 Cuts
- 15 New Photo
- 16 Michelangelo's paintings
- 17 Michelangelo's paintings II - switching of entrance
- 18 Adding a Goethe quote
- 19 Section about Perugino's Christ Handing the Keys to St. Peter
- 20 frescos with have been finished and abolished by Michelanagelo
- 21 Scenes from (or of) the Life of Moses
- 22 Copyright problem removed
- 23 Big blunder!
- 24 Superscript on legends/ captions of images
- 25 Date of first mass
- 26 Deleted sentence
- 27 External links modified
Who owns the copyright to the Chapel?[edit]
I was there about a week ago. We were told when we were on the tour of the Vatican, that the restorers were a Japanese film company and that in return for restoring the chapel, they wanted the copyrights to it. Can anyone tell me who owns the copyright to it? --184.108.40.206 17:53, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Very interesting question. Anyone specializes in Art Law / copyright who would like to comment?Biondanyc 18:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
It says on the main page that today the SC's ceiling was repainted. I find it hard to believe Michaelangelo did it all in one day; was this the day it started or ended? -Litefantastic 12:43, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- according to the article, Michaelangelo painted the ceiling from 1508 - November 1, 1512, so it was the day the ceiling repainting was completed. Gentgeen 00:21, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I visited the Sistine Chapel in 1972 and it was being restored then ... scaffolding all over the place ... and you could only view from a distance. So restoration began prior to 1984 ... by over a decade! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 22:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
- If I'm not mistaken, Michaelangelo painted part of it to start off with, then when he was an old man (I believe in his 70s), he came back and did the rest at the behest of whoever was the Holy Father at that time. Maybe he touched it up the second time around? It's well known that he wasn't happy with how it first came out because of the colours, even though everyone else raved about it. Weird how the maker of the masterpiece thought it sucked. But maybe he re-did it for that? J.J. Bustamante 04:16, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- Michaelangelo painted the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel when he was in about his 20's I believe. Then he came back as an older man and painted the Last Judgment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 17:47, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
- Apparently, they got it right this year on the Main Page. He finished it on this day. -- VegitaU 01:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
- Michaelangelo painted the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel when he was in about his 20's I believe. Then he came back as an older man and painted the Last Judgment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 17:47, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Under 'Architechture', "...the construction work was supervised by Giovannino de' Dolci between 1473 and 1784, ", I would hope is a typo!
- When the error was introduced
- 30 Aug 2002 [1]
- When the error was corrected
- 19 April 2005 [2]
- Uncorrected for 2 years, 7 months and 19 days. Wonder what the record is?
also the dates given for michelangelo's painting of both the sistine chapel and the last judgement are inconsistent. once it says 1508-1511, the other says 1508- 2 november 1512. the last judgement once says 1537-1541 the other says 1542. can someone confirm the exact dates please —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 12:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Rapahel's Tapestries and the Conclave[edit]
Is it true that the Tapestries from Raphael's cartoons are only brought out for major events in the Sistine. Such an event is the current Conclave to select a new Pope ?
If so are there any pictures or video of the Chapel in all its glory complete with the Raphael tapestries ? Where can I get them ?
Thanks Michael firstname.lastname@example.com
I have the answer Lagosman 17:18, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Delisted GA[edit]
Unfortunately, this article has no statement of references, so I'm removing it from the GA list. AndyZ 23:09, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Was clothing added during the restoration?[edit]
When I was a young school kid (circa 1991, I guess), I remember sitting in class and watching a news report on Channel One claiming that as part of the ceiling restoration, they were soon going to be painting clothing onto some/all (can't remember) of the currently-nude people in the paintings. They showed "artist's renderings" of the pending changes for a few sections of the ceiling, with all the former nude people now wrapped up in cloth like Jesus wears in traditional crucifixion paintings (like this one. I was only 11-ish at the time but I was outraged that they would do something so horrible and ridiculous; plus the "edits" looked obvious and awful. I can't remember much about the news report (it was ~15 years ago and I was in elementary school), but they made out like the decision had already been made and the censorship was going to be done to the ceiling in the near future. Never having heard otherwise, I've been upset and angry about it ever since then, not just about the defilement of such a famous artwork, but also about people's apparant apathy and ignorance because I never saw any other coverage or protests about the censorship.
But I just recently checked several Wikipedia articles, and I can't find any reference that this ever actually happened! Did it? The article mentions controversy about cleaning the grime from the ceiling, but it says nothing about painting clothing on the nude figures, which would surely be a hundred times as controversial!
If it never happened, then what was the deal with that news report I saw circa 1991? Were there originally plans to conceal the nudity that were later (thankfully) abandoned? Who drew the awful "updated version" that I saw on the news? Or is my memory completely faulty, and maybe I've confused the Sistine Chapel with some other work of art that was being subjected to a censorship restoration?
188.8.131.52 02:36, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
The Sistine chapel was indeed repainted to cover the nudity but this was done in the 16th/17th century. Dr mindbender 08:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Ok! I hope I'm not upset anybody, but i look forever on the page to find were to post this. It is actualy a simple quastion. I found this [3], and it says
The Sistine Chapel
As Pope Sixtus IV needed a chapel for domestic services he ordered the architect Giovanni dei Dolci to build him one. That was in 1473; the building was finished in 1481.
and on wikipedia it says
The architectural plans to were made by Baccio Pontelli and the construction work was supervised by Giovannino de Sweet between 1473 and 1484, at the orders of Pope Sixtus IV, from whom the Sistine Chapel takes its name.
So can anyboby confirm that or check wich one is right.
- They are not entirely certain who produced the plans. It mmay have been Giovannino the builder. Dolci translates as "Sweet" in English.
- The discrepancy in date is caused by the fact that in 1481 contracts were let for the paintings of frescoes, so the building was near completion, but its floors were still being laid and it didn't recieve a couple of "stained glass windows" until 1484.
--Amandajm 16:40, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Official name[edit]
Is the chapel's real name actually Sistine Chapel? Because it's customary to name chapels and churches after saints, not after whoever commissioned it. It seems like Sistine Chapel is more like a nickname for it. Everything in the Vatican has its nicknames aside from their official names. But then again, I recall reading Church documents that call it the Sistine Chapel and not anything else. And the Pauline Chapel doesn't seem to have its own official name either. Anyone know?J.J. Bustamante 04:10, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- Well, gotta do a tiny resarch. The colloquial and most commonly known name is it:Cappella Sistina. --Scriberius (talk) 06:29, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
What is the origin of the name?[edit]
Is is named after St Sixtus (as in the guy in the painting "Sistine Madonna")? Or is it that, given sistine=six, simply derived from "chapel #6"? 126.96.36.199 05:53, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
- Read the article: "The present chapel, on the site of the Cappella Maggiore, was designed by Baccio Pontelli for Pope Sixtus IV, for whom it is named" David Underdown 11:45, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
But can someone explain how the name Sixtus becomes the word Sistine? Kingturtle (talk) 19:54, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Pop Culture References[edit]
Can somebody explain why this section had almost all of its info cut and was renamed? ptfreak 12:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
- Because they were trivial, irrelevant references. The Sistine Chapel is a well-known structure, and the paintings on the ceiling are common images. Listing every time they appear in media is neither interesting nor important, to say nothing of practical. --Eyrian 14:06, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
- I'm a supporter of the Pop Culture sections, but I don't think it's wanted in this particular article, because of the solemn nature of the article, and because the Sistine Chapel is so renowned. Compare with Lutèce and I think you'll see that there, it strengthens the purpose of the article itself to show that there are cultural references. Mcavic (talk) 08:31, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Use of Scaffold for painting the ceiling[edit]
The article states that Michelangelo stood on the scaffold he built to paint the ceiling. I remember hearing however, the he actually laid on the scaffolding with his back facing directly down to the floor for hours. The fact may have come from "The Agony and the Ecstasy", though I don't have a copy on hand to verify. Can anyone else verify? It's a testament to the man's dedication if he actually did. (Try painting anything on your back with the canvas above your head, if you're not sure why) MyOwnLittlWorld 03:46, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
- Common misconception, he did stand the entire time he painted on the scaffolding. Later that would render him crippled and blind, as he could not read books without looking upwards and his eyesight was damaged due to the falling bits of plaster and paint. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 17:50, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Glen Davis, art expert?[edit]
I really don't think that we need to have the opinion of a professional basketball player given equal weight with people like Vasari, Goethe and Werner Herzog. Unless someone can justify the inclusion of his non-notable opinion, I'll strike it from the entry. Bricology 02:50, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
- I have to second that sentiment. I was reading a serious article and then suddenly came across this silly interjection and it completely wrecked the flow of the piece. "I heard the man was crazy." What nonsense. -- VegitaU 02:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Division of frescos into separate articles[edit]
Would anyone object to dividing the fresco sections into their own articles than then linking to them from this one through summary style? It seems to me that all of them, particularly Christ Giving the Key to St. Peter, has enough coverage where it deserves its own article. Input on this idea is welcome though. Warm regards, SorryGuy Talk 04:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Agree. The plan is to build them up to a state where they are substantial enough to be spun out leaving enough scope for a summary style fragment in the main article. They seem riddled with OR though. Ceoil (talk) 12:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Cut these; leaving here for later intergration:
Giorgio Vasari (about Michelangelo's frescoes):
- This work has been and truly is a beacon of our art, and it has brought such benefit and enlightenment to the art of painting that it was sufficient to illuminate a world which for so many hundreds of years had remained in the state of darkness. And, to tell the truth, anyone who is a painter no longer needs to concern himself about seeing innovations and inventions, new ways of painting poses, clothing on figures, and various awe-inspiring details, for Michelangelo gave to this work all the perfection that can be given to such details.
- Without having seen the Sistine Chapel one can form no appreciable idea of what one man is capable of achieving.
- Many years ago I went to the Vatican and looked at Michelangelo's frescoes in the Sistine Chapel. I was overwhelmed with the feeling that before Michelangelo no one had ever articulated and depicted human pathos as he did in those paintings. Since then all of us have understood ourselves just that little bit deeper, and for this reason I truly feel his achievements are as great as the invention of agriculture.
I think the Herzog quote is trite, but leaving here anyway. Ceoil (talk) 13:37, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- Moving here:
- Colalucci says that elderly restorers were interviewed who had taken part in the restoration of the 1930s. They claimed that Michelangelo worked over the frescoes a secco. This and claims that he used "velature" or glazes as a binder were rejected by the restoration team. Colalucci says that Michelangelo worked only in buon fresco, then says that he had worked a secco, but "to a minimal degree" and "not at all in the lunettes", then talks of Michelangelo's "rigorous maintenance" of buon fresco technique, then describes the a secco retouchings that Michelangelo made to the shoulder of Eleazar and the foot of Reboam, which are both in the lunettes. He then says that Michelangelo worked in buon fresco with "no pentimenti proper", but only small corrections in fresco. Giacometti, editor, The Sistine Chapel'. Ceoil (talk) 00:24, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
New Photo[edit]
Would this photo provide a benefit to the article if it was incorporated? FSU Guy (talk) 03:45, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
That is a very nice picture, it would be really nice if it was up there. MlgProGuy 03:30, 23 July 2012
- It is used in Sistine Chapel ceiling. This was 4 yrs ago. Johnbod (talk) 20:02, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Michelangelo's paintings[edit]
There is this sentence in the article. Nor is known the extent to which his own hand physically contributed to the actual physical painting of any of particular images attributed to him. This seems to be mis-leading. It is commonly believed that he painted all of the paintings attributed to him. His apprentices might have been with him, but that does not take way the credits from the master. Should it be reworded? Phoe6 (talk) 06:53, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
- If you can supply a reliable source then it can be worked into the article..Modernist (talk) 10:43, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
- As far as I know (cannot provide sources), not all the paintings on the ceiling have been done by Michelangelo. In the beginning, his fellow painters helped out (but only a few months). --Scriberius (talk) 09:54, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Michelangelo's paintings II - switching of entrance[edit]
As I've learned just recenty by watching this youtube documentary (1:25 min. preview)The Michelangelo Code: Lost Secrets of the Sistine Chapel, the public entrance/exit has been changed after Michelangelo has finished his paintings. Did Michelangelo align the paintings in a certain manner, so if people come in here they see the first parts of the ceiling just above the visitors and then look further away?
Why was the entrance switched to the opposite side?
Both should be mentioned in the article I would suggest. --Scriberius (talk) 09:54, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Adding a Goethe quote[edit]
Should this quote be placed in the article?
"Without having seen the Sistine Chapel one can form no appreciable idea of what one man is capable of achieving."
--Scriberius (talk) 15:22, 24 January 2009 (UTC) modified --Scriberius (talk) 13:06, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Section about Perugino's Christ Handing the Keys to St. Peter[edit]
Question: why is this section nearly word-for-word lifted from the Web Gallery of Art's description of the fresco? It should be entirely rewritten or just thrown in as a quotation from the source. There is some original material in it, but it's sparse. Plagiarism is abound. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mtoyama (talk • contribs) 19:49, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
frescos with have been finished and abolished by Michelanagelo[edit]
These frescos have been destroyed in the 1530s or 1540s by Michelangelo in order to have space for the Last Judgment. This fact should be mentioned in the article with verification. --220.127.116.11 (talk) 17:12, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Scenes from (or of) the Life of Moses[edit]
The article haphazardly calls this fresco Scenes from the Life of Moses and Scenes of the Life of Moses. Which is correct? (i.e. which is (a) the work's canonical English name, and/or (b) a more accurate translation from the Italian).
According to Google, "from" is the more commonly used English name (with 25,900 hits for "from", vs. 4,640 for "of"). But that's hardly authoritative.
The article should standardize on one name. (If neither is more correct than the other, it would be good to state the fact, but then pick one and run with it.)
Erics (talk) 17:12, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
- It should settle on one name, but which it is hardly matters - there is no "canon" here. In the comparable subjects of the Life of Christ and Life of the Virgin, only that portion tends to be treated as the title; the same is usually true for other figures like Peter, Paul, John the B. etc. Johnbod (talk) 18:54, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Copyright problem removed[edit]
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Big blunder![edit]
This article suffered heavily from the poor (or null) treatment of the other frescoes, including some VERY IMPORTANT ONES (Botticelli, Perugino, Ghirlandaio, just to mention some) on the other three walls than the Judgement's one. There was just one describing a Perugino work, introduced by the very POVish "Among Perugino's work the styilistically more instructive is...", which I've changed to a more sober and encyclopedical one. The other sections will be completed in a near future, so please avoid removing them. Ciao and good work. --'''Attilios''' (talk) 15:55, 3 May 2011 (UTC) its good but the is not same like the given phot they may be a true prophet jesus or a true muslim not more Italic textgod is very beautiful than all creations we looked — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 08:22, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Bmanary (talk) 00:46, 9 August 2011 (UTC)Bmanary Since 1996 there has been a special building, the Domus Sanctae Marthae, to house Cardinals during conclaves. The Sistine Chapel is now used for discussion and votes only.
Hi. I don't recall having seen superscript in legends. If that is so,then the legend needs to be rewritten to remove references to unsubstantiated "most famous". Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 22:18, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
- Please explain your issue more clearly. Thanks. 00:34, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
Date of first mass[edit]
Corrected an error in the text stating the first mass was held on 9 August 1483 when other sources confirm it was on 15 August 1483 (The Fest of the Assumption). Changed reference to the Vatican Museum web site, so I assume that is indeed the correct date. Unfortunately, the 9 August date was erroneously used in the 2013 "On This Day..." feature on the Wikipedia front page. Wkharrisjr (talk) 14:38, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Deleted sentence[edit]
"The sources of Michelangelo's inspiration are not easily determined; both Joachite and Augustinian theologians were within the sphere of Julius influence. Nor is known the extent to which his own hand physically contributed to the actual physical painting of any of the particular images attributed to him.[24]" Reference: Andrew Graham-Dixon
I dispute the first sentence and have removed the second of these sentences as carrying the wrong implication.
- The first sentence implies that it was Julius II who came up with the scheme, in consultation with his theologians. This contradicts the fact that Julius wanted twelve Apostles painted on the pendentives, and Michelangelo wanted a free hand. If the ceiling was based upon something devised by Joachite and/or Augustinian theologians, the source would be more apparent than it is. Michelangelo was a Renaissance Man, read the Bible and in his youth had spent time at the Medici Academy alongside the Archbishop of Arezzo Gentile de' Becchi.
- The second sentence is beyond doubt true. It is, in fact, a truism. We cannot say to what extent his own hand physically contributed to the actual physical painting. However, the implication carried in this sentence is that Michelangelo had a large team working under him, who he merely directed. Regardless of the fact that this statement is sourced, the implication is ridiculous. When a number of people cooperate on an artistic program, then the stylistic differences make the different hands clearly apparent. The Raphael Rooms makes this abundantly evident. What we have on the Sistine Chapel ceiling is a remarkable unity of style in the manner in which the figures are drawn and the paint is applied. There is no evidence of several hands on the ceiling. Moreover, there are consistently-employed innovations in the technique (which I won't detail here) that no other fresco painter would have used, because even Domenico Ghirlandaio (the most competent painter of frescos of the previous generation, and Michelangelo's teacher) didn't use them.
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Juhl was born Nov. 21, 1946, at Gothenburg, son of Joseph Burton Juhl and Dorothy Marie (Sabin) Juhl.
He grew up in the Cozad and Gothenburg area, and attended Cozad schools, graduating from Kearney High School.
Juhl served his country with the U.S. Army, 1966-1968 and 1980-1983, where he was a medical specialist and a unit supply specialist.
On Sept. 29, 1981, he married Naomi Fish at Columbus, GA. He was the father of four children, two sons and two daughters.
Juhl resided at many places including Nebraska, Colorado, Minnesota, Washington, Alaska, Kentucky, Georgia, New Mexico, Texas, California, Nevada and Germany.
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My husband and I work full time. I have a 2 1/2 year old and I am having our second child this July. My son has been in full time daycare since he was 14 weeks old. Around 1 yr old he started to bite - at first it was just aimed at me and my husband and eventually that stopped and he started biting other kids at daycare. Our daycare at the time seemed ill equipped to handle it. They were new and in hindsight didnt seem to know much about early childhood development. We had him "shadowed" by an aide and he still managed to bite! Did I mention we were paying a substantial amount of extra money for this shadow? We ended up changing daycares this past June. Before the change we tried a lot to curb the biting, I even went as far as contacting a women who wrote a book on toddler biting to get her advise and it did not help. Our pediatrician just kept saying he will grow out of it.
At the new daycare things really improved. He had some biting incidents but they were less frequently than the previous daycare. the last month or so my son has started some biting again and is having tantrums. He has hit his teacher and other children. The punishment is time out, but often he laughs about it. Time out does not always phase him. He does tantrum at home and we handle it depending on the situation. Yesterday morning he had a fit and I let him go at it on the living room floor. I walked out of the room and within 10 minutes he was calm. He started this hiting thing with my husband and I a few months ago, but he no longer hits us. If time out doesn't work I end up putting him in his crib and I remove any thing fun like stuffed animals. I am thinking of trying a sticker chart with him also. Not sure he is ready for that, but it is worth a try.
I feel completely devastated to hear about my son's behavior. I must have cried for an hour last night. I do not want to have to leave my job. I can't go down to part time because I dont work a job that is part time. At home he is not this child. They say mornings are rough for him at daycare and that he gets upset if other children in his room are misbehaving. I make sure he gets plenty of sleep - he is in bed by around 7:15 PM. I was waking him at 6:30, but now if he is still asleep at that time I let him sleep til around 6:45 or 6:50. When he gets up he gets a snack (a big one!) at daycare he also gets breakfast. I care deeply about my son's behavior and how it and I take it very seriously when he acts out. I know tantrums are "normal" but I don't know if his daycare tantrums are. We are meeting with our pediatrician next week to discuss what is going on.
I will add that I had him evaluated for speech at around 15 months I'd say. He was in the normal range. At 2 1/2 his vocabulary is much larger and I don't think he has a speech delay. However, I know he still might be having issues communicating what he needs/wants.
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The model is a Mark IV. But it has Continental badges on the trunk and on the front headlight cover.
30th May 2010, 06:53
Yeah, just a question on the Lincoln 2-doors, as I don't live in the states & am researching them online with a view to buying one in the future.
Am I correct in saying that the "Marks" have the opera window and the rounded "spare wheel" trunk lids with continental lettering following the curve, while there are also 2-door versions of the sedan (possibly on the longer wheelbase) that have a square rear window & a straight trunk lid with the sedan's rear lights, trim & bumper?
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To the most recent commenter, you are correct. The car you are talking about is a Town Coupe. It is essentially a Town Car that has only two doors, they are kinda rare today, but they do exist. (By rare, I mean I don't see very many around here in southern Louisiana.)
25th Oct 2011, 21:36
Lincoln made 3 different models for 72:
Continental Mark IV - as described, these were long, low and lean 2 doors with 460 ci engines, and were the alternative to the Eldorado. The "Continental Kit" described in previous comments (humped trunk lid with lettering) was standard issue on this model. Mark IV's for 72 came in a few different designer packages I believe as well. One I know for sure was the "Cartier Edition" (I know, I owned one... sweet ride), but there may have been a "Bill Blass Edition" as well... but I could easily be mistaken. Also, the opera windows described were standard issue on the Mark IV as well. I know mine had some fancy lettering or design on them, and they lit up inside when a switch was flipped in the back seat.
Town Car - square / boxy four door version that would seat 8 comfortably (and could fit 10 more in the trunk on Drive-In night) and also came equipped with a 460 ci engine. The Continental kit was optional on this model (few had it), but I think opera windows were standard issue. Amazingly, I believe the hood is as long as the passenger compartment, which is as long as the trunk lid. Get a tape measure, check it out ;-)
Town Coupe - two door version of the Town Car, again equipped with a 460 ci engine with the same details and amenities as the larger Town Car. I owned a 1978 Town Coupe once, and if memory serves me, this model / year was the longest (over-all length) and heaviest curb weight standard production vehicle ever built. This thing was like the Queen Mary!! An amazing car, wish I would have kept both the 72 and the 78.
Hope this helps :-)
26th Oct 2011, 12:46
You are only half correct on the Marks for 72. There were no designer series yet (Bill Blass or Cartier); those didn't show up until 76. And the 72 was the only year that opera (oval windows in the c-panel) were actually an option. My midnight blue 72 Mark IV actually did NOT have opera windows from the factory. They did however have luxury group options with the 72's, but they were special color combinations, and the options that they had were nothing you couldn't get in a regular Mark IV.
26th Oct 2011, 15:45
The '78 Continental was a large car, however the longest production car would be the '76 Cadillac Fleetwood at 233 plus inches.
28th Oct 2011, 09:37
When brand new, these were real head turners. I had a friend in college, no less, that received a brand new 73, all silver. He traded in a nice 71 citrus 4 speed Z28 for it. I would have loved to have owned either. It was a beautiful car.
Another friend of mine, also in Delaware, bought the new Thunderbird version; a cranberry color with white vinyl top and white interior. And it too was very sharp. It wasn't a Mark IV, but was every bit as good looking in 73.
24th Feb 2015, 01:48
Google (for one example) how much environmental damage is done to create ONE Prius (also, gotta love those early brakes whose computer gets confused on bumpy roads - default is no brakes!). Please think again before making comments like these.
12th Jul 2015, 15:33
It is less wasteful to save a car from the scrapyard. Building new cars is energy intensive. This is a quality American made car and a collectible.
22nd Jul 2015, 03:59
It takes fewer resources to continue running a Lincoln from the 70s than to build a new Prius, not to mention no monthly payment, cheaper insurance, and far easier to service than a Prius, and with way more personality.
Also, believe it or not, the 460 was a pretty clean running engine for its time. My 800$ Mark IV passed emissions for the last time in the 90s with flying colors. People brag about saving SO much money on gas with their new cars, all the while making 300$+ monthly payments, and then have the gall to tell me my car costs too much on gas... oy vey!
22nd Jul 2015, 13:46
So the Prius guy making payments could likely pay for a car like yours in 2 months. That should easily cover gas. A lot of people buy these little cars and commute over an hour to work. Then have a ton of miles on them, which depreciates the car heavily at the next trade in. Being a slave to a car payment isn't fun.


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Her latest project, however, shows Roberts' ability to turn the tables and create an environment rich with history and tradition out of a brand new building. Her new shop was built out of the ashes of tragedy, through the support of family, friends and a close community of customers that spans hundreds of miles.
After a devastating fire last March, Roberts and her co-workers at the six shops that make up her colony have worked nonstop to create a new building with the all the history, tradition and heartwarming charm of the old one.
"Our thinking is 'Charlene's - Better Than Ever,'" said Roberts. "It's our motto, inscribed on the glass behind customer service. That has been our positive light through our hills and valleys and ups and downs."
The rest of the stores in the Charlene's colony did not close throughout the 14-month renovation and Roberts credits the support of her family and friends for helping her and her co-workers through this difficult year.
"Our trucks have never stopped running since March 2, 2007," said Roberts. "The rest of the stores have never closed. The storeowners have been very patient with the renovation process. (We have made it) through (because of) my diligent, dedicated co-workers and loyal and concerned customers. I can't think of enough words to describe them. I am so lucky. Thank goodness women who still love to eat have still patronized us with good wishes and their business."
Roberts said she had the option of not rebuilding her store, but her bond with her customers urged her to start again.
"I have a different level of customers. We have fun. We say 'you enter as friends and leave as family' because that is the way it is. I'm too young not to do this and I would miss everyone," said Roberts. "(This) was a huge undertaking. My husband, Ronnie, said 'the first day you open and you see your customers, it will all be worth it.' My faith, my family, my co-workers and my customers have surrounded me with total love and support."
Two very special items were salvaged from the burnt rubble of Roberts' business shortly after the fire that destroyed it.
"The day I opened my first shop, my husband gave me a horseshoe for good luck," said Roberts. "I hung it in my office. After the fire, he went to where my office was and there was my horseshoe. He had it framed with a photo from the first magazine article done on the shop."
The second item came as Roberts was surveying the damage the day after the fire.
"I was walking toward the tea room and a piece of paper was blowing just in front of me," said Roberts, who said a fluttering page stayed out of her reach until she caught it just in front of the tea room door. "It was a page all burnt around the edges, but not the writing. It was about the Armor of God. I went into the tea room and I told Brenda Roberts, 'I am going to be all right.' She framed it for me."
Those two items hang together in Roberts' office, a reminder that some blessings cannot be lost.
"We all know that God is there with us in the good times," said Roberts. "It's good to know He's there in the bad times, too. Our life has been divided into before (the fire) and after. We no longer compare to what was before. We've set our standards, got our customer service and we are just waiting for our customers to come.
"There is nothing on this hill that anybody needs, but everyone usually manages to find something that they love," said Roberts. "I wanted people to be able to meander through and get that feeling of discovery. It's built like a house and it looks like a house so that people can get a feel of what they can do in their own homes. In my own home, I like to mix antiques with new furniture. At this shop, that is what we are doing. I want it to feel like 'Honey, I'm home!' and to have that warmth."
To create a backdrop for that effect, Roberts and Steve Vandergriff worked together to create a design that echoed the feeling of the lost building. Most of the rooms in the building have 12-foot ceilings, but a large area in the center was left open with exposed beams, so rugs can be hung in the same manner they once were.
Roberts credits Vandergriff with the design of the shop and store manager Tonya Farley with using her artistic ability to create displays throughout the store.
"My right-hand person during this construction and design was Steve Vandergriff," said Roberts. "Tonya has worked with me for 10 years. She is the 'me' I see 10 years back. She has tremendous energy and doesn't mind working long hours. We have the same visual style. But this is a group effort of every person here. All responsibilities are shared as a team. The grand opening is as personal for my co-workers as it is for me. They all mean so much to me."
Roberts also credits her sweet best girlfriends for working alongside her and taking her away from the work when it seemed too daunting. She thanks daughter Rachel for putting her life in Nashville on hold and coming to her mother's rescue during the renovation process.
"Rachel is a real estate agent in Nashville," said Roberts. "We have reversed roles. I've been the one saying, 'What do I do?' and she has taken this under her wing and come to my rescue. I really appreciate her forfeiting her own needs to help me."
Hesitant to name the many people who have helped rebuild Charlene's since last March, Roberts pointed out Adam Camp for his finish work on the crown molding, Logan Roberts of Landscape Workshop for creating the inviting walkway, Colins Voss, Brian Smith and Steve Vandergriff, who painted, hung beams, installed and stained flooring and "did anything that needed to be done."
"It feels like my old shop," said Roberts. "For the past year, every time I saw something pretty I bought it. It's been like Christmas opening these crates. It's a surprise to everyone, including me. We are having fun getting them displayed."
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"I like things with a story," said Charlene. "I've shed more tears this past year than I have in my whole life," said Roberts. "But we are getting to the point where there's a light at the end of the tunnel and it's not a train. Every bad thing has turned to good."


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similar, but very different. I've never thought of fall colors in the salt marsh, you are very lucky. greetings from new orleans
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Delta and the Bannermen
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|146[1] – Delta and the Bannermen
|Doctor Who serial
The Bannermen, preparing to attack.
|Malcolm Kohll
|Chris Clough
|Script editor
|Andrew Cartmel
|John Nathan-Turner
|Executive producer(s)
|Incidental music composer
|Keff McCulloch
|Production code
|Season 24
|3 episodes, 25 minutes each
|Originally broadcast
|2 November–16 November 1987
Delta and the Bannermen is the third serial of the 24th season in the British science fiction television series Doctor Who, which was first broadcast in three weekly parts from 2 November to 16 November 1987.
On an alien planet the genocide of the Chimeron by the merciless Bannermen led by Gavrok is almost complete. The last survivor, Chimeron Queen Delta, escapes by the skin of her teeth clutching her egg, the future for her species. She makes it to a space tollport where the Navarinos, a race of shape changing tourist aliens, are planning a visit to the planet Earth in 1959 in a spaceship disguised as an old holiday bus. She stows aboard, meeting Mel, while the Doctor follows them in the TARDIS. The Doctor and Mel have won the trip as a prize for arriving in the Navarino spaceport at the right time to be declared the ten billionth customers. No sooner has the tourist vehicle blasted away than the Bannermen turn up, ruthlessly hunting down the fugitive, and they kill the master of the tollport.
The holiday vehicle from Nostalgia Tours meets an unfortunate collision with an American space satellite and is diverted off track, landing at a holiday camp in South Wales rather than Disneyland. However, the basic but cheerful Shangri-La holiday camp is happy to accommodate the visitors led by the ebullient Burton, who assures the travellers of a warm welcome while they wait for the driver, Murray, to repair their innocuous seeming transport. Mel gets close to Delta and uncovers the truth of her situation, including the hatching of the egg into a bright green baby that starts to grow at a startling rate. The Chimeron Queen supports this development with the equivalent of royal jelly given to bees.
Delta tries to take her mind off the situation and goes to the Shangri-La dance, instantly capturing the heart of Billy, the camp's mechanic – upsetting of Ray, who loves Billy herself. Ray confides her situation to the Doctor, and they both stumble across a bounty hunter making contact with the Bannermen to tell them of the Chimeron's whereabouts. It is only a matter of time before Gavrok and his troops arrive. Delta and Billy head off on a romantic countryside ramble the following morning, but the Doctor wastes no time in persuading Burton to evacuate the camp, helping Murray repair the ship, and then heading off to find the young lovers while there is still time. Once they are found, everyone returns to the camp but the situation has become dire. The Bannermen have destroyed the Navarino bus with all its official passengers inside, taking Mel as a hostage, as Gavrok tries to work out how to capture the Chimeron. The Doctor's early attempts to intercede are futile, but he does rescue Burton and Mel from the Bannermen.
Two Bannermen are holding prisoner two aging American agents, Hawk and Weismuller, who were tracking the missing satellite when they first arrived. The Bannermen were instructed by Gavrok to wait for the Doctor, Burton and Mel on the side of the road. Just before they left the Americans, they place a joined headlock device to prevent them from escaping. While the two Bannerman were placing a tracker on the Doctor, riding Billy's motorbike with Burton and Mel, in an attempt to disguise an ambush attempt, Ray manages to rescue Hawk and Weismuller head locks with an Allen key. They all make contact with the mysterious beekeeper Goronwy, who hides them for a while in his house.
As the two Bannerman find that the Americans have been set free, they track the Doctor's party to Goronwy House. As they are closing in on the house, the Chimeron child Princess makes a high pitched scream of warning which traumatises the ears of the two Bannermen, allowing Delta to be able to shoot one of them, while the other escapes to inform Gavrok of the location of Delta and the Princess. At Shangri-La, before leaving to attack Goronwy House, Gavrok booby-trapped the outside of the TARDIS in an attempt to kill the Doctor. Gavrok and his Bannermen approach Goronwy House shooting, and crashing into the rock-and-roll-music-filled house, only to have honey broken over them in the process. This then sets Goronwy's bees on the honey-covered Bannermen. In the meantime, the Doctor and his party make it to Shangri-La to set up a defense. Billy rigged up the Shangri-La sound system to amplify the perfectly pitched scream of the Chimeron child Princess – a sound which is excruciatingly painful to Bannermen.
Goronwy explains to Billy the purpose of royal jelly in the lifecycle of the honeybee, provoking the mechanic to consume Delta's equivalent that she has been feeding her daughter, in the hope of metamorphosing into a Chimeron.
As Gavrok and his band of Bannermen attack Shangri-La, the amplified scream of the Chimeron princess traumatises the attackers, including Gavrok, who becomes so stunned that he falls into the beam of the booby-trap he placed on the TARDIS and is incinerated. Other Bannermen are so traumatised that they are easily rounded up. Delta and Billy leave together with the child and the prisoners, heading for an intergalactic war crimes tribunal. To their delight, The Doctor shows Hawk and Weismuller the missing satellite nearby. All is well and the next bus of holidaymakers, this time human, arrive at Shangri-La as the Doctor and Mel slip away.
The Seventh Doctor's question mark handle umbrella makes its first appearance in this story. Sylvester McCoy can be seen wearing his glasses in certain long shots of him riding a motorcycle.
The Navarinos are also featured in the novel Return of the Living Dad by Kate Orman.
In 2015, Steven Moffat endorsed the fan theory that Goronwy is a future incarnation of the Doctor, and said that the idea fit well with the Doctor's line about retiring to become a beekeeper in "The Name of the Doctor".[2]
|Broadcast date
|Run time
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|"Part One"
|2 November 1987
|"Part Two"
|9 November 1987
|"Part Three"
|16 November 1987
This was the first three-part story since Planet of Giants (1964), not counting the 3 x 45 minute episodes of The Two Doctors which had been broadcast two years previously, and the first intended to be this length. Working titles for this story included The Flight of the Chimeron.[6] The eventual title is a reference to the British band Echo & the Bunnymen.
The character of Ray was originally created as a new companion for the Doctor as Bonnie Langford had announced she would be leaving the series at the end of the season. The serial, with the working title, The Flight Of The Chimeron, was originally scheduled to end the season. However, as the serial neared production, Langford had not yet decided whether she would leave at the end of Season 24 or during Season 25; that, plus the rescheduling of Delta and the Bannermen to earlier in the season and the decision by script editor Andrew Cartmel to create another replacement companion named Alf (later renamed 'Ace'), led to the idea of Ray as a new companion being abandoned.[6]
Filming and post-production[edit]
The scenes at the Shangri-La holiday camp were shot on location at the Butlins Holiday camp on Barry Island, Wales. The holiday camp is no longer there, but the island was used again, this time as a stand-in for a bomb site in 1941 London, in the 2005 series episodes "The Empty Child" and "The Doctor Dances".[7]
The soundtrack of this serial contained a higher-than-usual number of recognisable pop songs, although due to licensing costs all were re-recorded by "The Lovells", a fictional group created by the show's incidental music composer Keff McCulloch. The songs featured in the serial were: "Rock Around the Clock", "Singing the Blues", "Why Do Fools Fall in Love", "Mr. Sandman", "Goodnite, Sweetheart, Goodnite", "That'll Be the Day", "Only You", "Lollipop", "Who's Sorry Now?" and "Happy Days Are Here Again".
The motorbike ridden by Billy in this story is a Vincent, made by British manufacturer Vincent Motorcycles. The guitar the Doctor is seen hugging at the end of the story is a Squier Stratocaster by Fender, although the model is not one available at the time the story was set. The TARDIS scenes were recorded during production of the next story Dragonfire.
Cast notes[edit]
Features guest appearance by Ken Dodd, Don Henderson, Hugh Lloyd, Richard Davies, and American stage and screen actor Stubby Kaye. See also Celebrity appearances in Doctor Who. Morgan Deare later played Senator Waldo Pickering in the audio play Minuet in Hell.
Simon Brew of Den of Geek thought the story was "fun nonsense."[8] Paul Cornell, Martin Day and Keith Topping enjoyed the serial, describing it as "Confident, slick, and hugely enjoyable from beginning to end". They praised Bonnie Langford's performance, found Ken Dodd to be "OK" but thought Don Henderson played it too straight.[9]
David J. Howe and Stephen James Walker found the serial to be even more whimsical than the preceding story but more successful, "all in all, a highly enjoyable romp."[10] Radio Times' Mark Baxton declared: "It's mad as cheese and about as scary as an episode of Play Away. It doesn't feel like Doctor Who for a second. But just once in a while the show can afford to go mad."[11]
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|Malcolm Kohll
|Cover artist
|Alister Pearson
|Doctor Who book:
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Release number
|Target Books
Publication date
|19 January 1989
A novelisation of this serial, written by Malcolm Kohll, was published by Target Books in January 1989. In addition to a typographical error on the spine's title (which purports the name of this novelisation to be 'Delta and the Bannerman'), this novelisation contains an infamous typo, which results in the Doctor 'peeing over a shelf' instead of peering over it. This error is retained in the 1991 reprint, with it appearing on page 54 in both editions. Due to the 1991 edition being repackaged, however, the spine title misprint is rectified in the 1991 version.
Home media[edit]
Delta and the Bannermen was released on VHS in March 2001 in the UK and June 2002 in North America, but music clearance issues prevented the release of the serial in Australia. A DVD edition was released in the UK on 22 June 2009. This serial was also released as part of the Doctor Who DVD Files in issue 62 on 18 May 2011.
- ^ From the Doctor Who Magazine series overview, in issue 407 (pp26-29). The Discontinuity Guide, which counts the four segments of The Trial of a Time Lord as four separate stories and also counts the unbroadcast serial Shada, lists this story as number 150. Region 1 DVD releases follow The Discontinuity Guide numbering system.
- ^ Moffat, Steven (May 2015). "Ask Steven Moffat". Doctor Who Magazine (485): 4.
- ^ Shaun Lyon; et al. (2007-03-31). "Delta and the Bannermen". Outpost Gallifrey. Archived from the original on 2008-05-12. Retrieved 2008-08-30.
- ^ "Delta and the Bannermen". Doctor Who Reference Guide. Retrieved 2008-08-30.
- ^ Sullivan, Shannon (2007-08-07). "Delta and the Bannermen". A Brief History of Time Travel. Retrieved 2008-08-30.
- ^ a b Delta and the Bannermen at Doctor Who: A Brief History of Time (Travel)
- ^ Doctor Who Confidential - "Weird Science", 28 May 2005.
- ^ http://www.denofgeek.com/dvd-bluray/8186/doctor-who-delta-and-the-bannermen-review
- ^ http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/episodeguide/deltabannermen/detail.shtml
- ^ http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/episodeguide/deltabannermen/detail.shtml
- ^ http://www.radiotimes.com/blog/2012-08-02/delta-and-the-bannermen
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- Delta and the Bannermen at BBC Online
- Delta and the Bannermen at the Doctor Who Reference Guide
- ButlinsBarryIsland.com: The history of the Barry Island Holiday Camp
- Delta and the Bannermen reviews at Outpost Gallifrey
- Delta and the Bannermen reviews at The Doctor Who Ratings Guide