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I grew up with the conventional wisdom believing that the Israelis were the "white hats" and that the Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims were the "black hats." After 9/11, I wanted to know more about the conflict in the ME. I came to the realization that the narrative was totally one-sided. I largely credit many outstanding Jewish voices (my close friend Bernie the Attorney for one) for opening my eyes. I see on a daily basis the efforts by Zionists and their stooges to dismiss truth-tellers in the most reprehensible manner, up to and including threats of violence. Truth needs no army of thugs to establish it; only lies need enforcers.
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- Liberal American Jews negotiate away the right of return
That "Witty-lator" of yours seems quite a precise instrument. I think it deserves some sort of catchphrase akin to Sadly No's "always trust the shorter." (see: link to sadlyno.com).
Maybe the descriptor of "distilled Witty-lations" ("Witty-lations distilled"?).
- 'Please continue to be with us' --a Palestinian's letter to int'l supporters
Hear, hear.
As an atheist myself, I learned to see it not as a religious conflict per se, but as an issue of justice. Furthermore, one's religiosity is not an accurate predictor of where one stands in the support of equal justice for all.
- US women's stunning goal shatters prejudice
Women in sports has changed in such a positive way over the decades.
True, and yet sadly, I often hear or read all the grumbling about how Title IX hurts the collegiate athletic programs for men.
- Rightwing militias steal land in occupied territories, with support of Israeli gov't
Is this the type "guardian" Chuck Schumer fancies himself?
Guess he doesn't care about any negative connotations from his "Israel über alles" rhetoric.
- Irish Ship to Gaza: Sabotage of M.V. Saoirse is 'an act of international terrorism'
Put very eloquently.
- Presidential
Love the illustration. Looks like something out of "The Venture Brothers."
- Senate unanimously opposes Palestinian push for statehood (AIPAC wants you to know)
We used to joke about a particular salacious act as, "The Neil & Bob Show."
Even more vulgar btw than the phrase found elsewhere here (i.e. "fellating Ari Fleischer").
Ennes and Meadors definitely know of which they speak.
Thank you for providing this. I did not know James Ennes had a recent comment regarding the flotilla and Meadors' participation.
My IP issues mentor, Bernie the Attorney, would always characterize the actions of our governmental leaders in terms of a vulgar reference to a particular sex act; which unfortunately seemed quite apt.
- A great miracle is happening there
Love it. Very poetic; beautifully expressed.
- Libidinous pro-choice aide who toiled for rightwing Republicans admits her motivation came down to one issue
Kind of like the corollary that Washington is Hollywood for ugly people.
(hence Kissinger's "Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.")
- Irish flotilla ship will not sail to Gaza due to extensive sabotage
Hear, hear.
- Latest libel: flotilla passengers seek 'to kill soldiers'
This is an excellent point since even sites such as Mondoweiss are labeled as "hate sites" by hardcore Z-teamers but if you point out their fringe sites (that are usually thought of and accepted as "mainstream" anyway), they'll just be dismissed as inconsequential...but they're still whipping up that victim fervor.
- Sabotage on the Aegean: Propeller mysteriously cut on flotilla ship
I apologize collectively for the group, particularly considering Israel, never, ever, EVER, makes accusations against anyone else without a shred of evidence (or even takes lethal action against others without obtaining necessary evidence first).
Typically, the most moral army in the world.
- Israel Law Center behind harassment of flotilla funded by homophobic End Timer Pastor John Hagee
So the Israelis will wait until a court ruling before executing any of the latest flotilla participants?
- 'Gaza, We Are Coming': Despite pressure and threats of violence, flotilla will sail
Brave brave people.
One need only think of Turkish American Furkan Doğan, executed in cold blood, to know just how very true that is.
- Of course the Flotilla is a political provocation
Oh, I forgot that Hamas won't ever let them choose another government
Will that even matter in the long run? Israel is killing off anyone who might want to vote for someone who objects to killing them off.
This flotilla is an unwitting enabling of Hamas.
Israel and Fatah enabled Hamas by their wretched treatment of Gazans.
The region's "only democracy"[tm] was uncomfortable with someone else exercising their own democratic will, and will continue to use starvation, deprivation, high-explosives, and white phosphorus to gently nudge them back into the fold.
- Help Mondoweiss stay afloat with a voluntary subscription
Fair enough, Donald.
On Zionist sites, I usually get "flagged" and my comments removed. If I thought my comments were generating funds for something I was opposed to, I might reconsider the volume or tone of my contributions to the comments section.
I've never thought of actual replies as bullying as long as my comments remained because I consider it a sign of respect to speak openly and honestly to another human being.
For the record I think whatever you come up with is fine. What I think would also be fun would be a "special" star for the contrarians that could be attached by someone donating in their name.
The scenario would be after I've made a donation that gets a star for my name, I could also donate money to affix a "troll star?" to someone else's name as my way of combating the hasbara-laden content of their spew.
I could imagine that affixing multiple "troll stars" to those posters that just seems to trot out the same tired old arguments and have a particularly high "pest quotient" could generate funds in manner fun, effective, and informative.
Curiously, I often pick up a copy of the LA Jewish Journal (a petty webmaster - now gone - banned my IP's so I can hardly find a "clean" site to post from online, let alone read articles online) and there's page after page of charities and donation listings that make a very big deal of what level donor you are and feature the highest ones prominently. Seems there's very, very, few there making their donations anonymously.
Is this also a "dumb idea" and are they guilty of a "class system" too?
Just curious.
- Site news: Introducing Mondoweiss's new home
Good on you, mate.
Sincerest congrats!
- Atzmon and Jewish identity
You're most welcome, Gilad...and thank you Citizen for the Maslow's pyramid reference. I was totally unfamiliar with it. Very interesting, indeed (and I agree fully with your characterization btw).
I love Gilad Atzmon and from warm correspondences with him, consider him a true friend and teacher from whom I have learned much.
A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.
- Same day as Bahraini blogger's brave appearance at Netroots, State Department shifts its line
"If you give us the cargo, we'll get it into Gaza."
If the Israelis were allowing sufficient goods in Gaza (let alone ceasing the abuse of the Gazans), the flotilla would not be needed in the first place.
- Britain's denial of democracy and the ethnic cleansing of Palestine
"Never in the field of human conflict was so much stolen from so many by so few." - Chinston Wurchill
- 'Don't Play in Tel Aviv! Apartheid is Not Punk Rock!': An Open Letter to Jello Biafra and the Guantanamo School of Medicine
Great letter. I would have really thought Jello Biafra would be more on top of things than what his current decision indicates.
- A family in Gaza struggles to rebuild following repeated Israeli attacks
Thanks Sumud for providing witness.
Every post that countered their clueless assertions got promptly "disappeared." The blog owner say he doesn't do gatekeeping, but that posts that the readers flag get blocked. The message says "flagged for review", but nothing seems to return from the review graveyard.
I see that vile and ignorant mindset and imagine that same attitude holding an assault rifle at an Israeli checkpoint.
Now in BINGO form!!
Thank you, Mooser for a timely reposting of this link.
I kept wondering why this line of "argument" found here was so depressingly familiar.
Great excerpt, seafoid. I see the picture of those kids and the story of them losing their mother (my father was a widower, my mom died before I turned 2) and the bile rises in my throat as I think of the standard Zionist memes ("future terrorists", "cockroaches in a bottle", etc.)
[heavy sigh]
- Bahraini blogger on State Dep't tour says Hillary Clinton 'betrayed' and 'crushed' Bahrain democracy movement
Imagine that...you can always depend on Hillary to look out for...
(not that the marching orders from her handlers wanted her to react any differently).
- UN: As Gaza siege enters its fifth year, unemployment stands at 45%
I agree. In contrast the Palestinian reaction is downright subdued.
Any time they have an opportunity for a little economic stability, the Israellis are sure to crush it. Think of how many Gazans could be employed in the natural gas industry (which is why the Israelis are bound to steal that resource as well).
- In Gaza, young Palestinians lead a global movement
Can we now stop pretending that the question, "Where are the Palestinian Ghandis?" has any merit whatsoever?
- Israel's harassment of US-Mexico border human rights activist raises many questions
Setting up an "apartheid wall" display locally (the quotes used in the blog entry calling it part of a "UCI hate week") - see: link to docstalk.blogspot.com - still gets couched in pure Orwellian terms.
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - - that's all."
(Through the Looking Glass, Chapter 6)
- 1919 Hitler letter reveals seeds of ethnic cleansing
Very enjoyable belly laughs from this tangent. Reminds me a bit of that notion, "I'm not a Jew, I'm Jew-ish."
The world is different. The displacement of Palestinians is not going unnoticed, and there is no possibility of genocidal efforts on the part of Israel, even with Israel Beitanhu.
I'm sure the Palestinians are comforted by your reassurances.
Btw, whose definition of "genocide" are we using?
- More bollocks from David Mamet
As you all know first prize is a Cadillac El Dorado. Anyone wanna see second prize? Second prize is a set of steak knives.
The Palestinians will at least get a set of steak knives for their trouble, no?
- 'Is everybody doing it?'
I am still wondering what's the difference between talking on the cell phone while driving, and having a conversation with another person in the vehicle. Both are a distraction, yet only one is generally considered improper. It used to be the fact that minutes were so expensive, that one's complete focus was getting the message through as quickly and completely as possible. Now with unlimited minutes, a cell conversation can be as unhurried as a normal one. When driving duties takes priority, I toss the cell down and say "hold on"....my friends either get it or they don't. Either way, the driving comes first.
- Newt Gingrich lauds 'Jerusalem Day' extremists
No campaign is truly dead as long as it can make hay by pandering to the AIPAC crowd.
Conversely, if you slight them too blatantly, it's all over for you politically.
- Shareholders to Caterpillar: 'our product has become Israel's weapon of choice for ethnic cleansing and potentially even war crimes'
Every time I read a story along these lines the same thought occurs. If the party being victimized in this manner anywhere in the world was Jews, the hue and cry would be that this was the most heinous crime imaginable and immediate action would be called for to put a stop to it.
Instead, because it is 'only' Palestinians, it is not meant to evoke much concern as, per the official narrative, they either 'deserved' it or brought it upon themselves.
I can't stress this point made by Fredy Perlman enough.
Escape from death in a gas chamber or a Pogrom, or incarceration in a concentration camp, may give a thoughtful and capable writer, Solzhenitsyn for example, profound insights into many of the central elements of contemporary existence, but such an experience does not, in itself, make Solzhenitsyn a thinker, a writer, or even a critic of concentration camps; it does not, in itself, confer any special powers. In another person the experience might lie dormant as a potentiality, or remain forever meaningless, or it might contribute to making the person an ogre. In short, the experience is an indelible part of the individual's past but it does not determine his future; the individual is free to choose his future; he is even free to choose to abolish his freedom, in which case he chooses in bad faith and is a Salaud (J.P. Sartre's precise philosophical term for a person who makes such a choice [The usual English translation is 'Bastard']).
- 'NYT' characterizes '48 ethnic cleansing as 'evacuation'
And don't forget how the Nakba is dismissed as ancient history and water under the bridge. Imagine the Holocaust being given a similar brusque dismissal. Heads would explode.
- Imagine Wasserman Schultz talking about the 'demographic' threat to Arizona
It clearly illustrates the schizoid nature of the PEP mindset.
- Restrooms and sanitation at Umm-Al-Kheir (a story for Shavuot)
The story of the 'shared house' is so inanely, insanely another 'legal' way for occupiers to get their foot in the door.
Reminds me of this methodology to encroach upon and usurp territory. Nothing much has changed, no?
From: link to ussliberty.org
In an interview that created a stir in Israel after its belated publication, Defense Minister Moshe Dayan declared:
I know how at least 80 percent of all of the incidents there started. In my opinion, more than 80 percent, but let's speak about 80 percent. It would go like this: we would send a tractor to plow in the demilitarized area, and we would know ahead of time that the Syrians would start shooting. If they did not start shooting, we would inform the tractor to progress farther, until the Syrians, in the end, would get nervous and would shoot. And then we would use guns, and later, even the air force, and that is how it went. We thought that we could change the lines of the cease-fire accords by military actions that were less than a war. That is, to seize some territory and hold it until the enemy despairs and gives it to us.
It was just such a staged provocation - an Israeli tractor plowing through a disputed field despite Syrian pleas for compromise - that sparked the April 1967 aerial battle. In Oren's reckoning, however, the battle ensued after a pattern of "Syrian provocation" (SDW: p. 46).
Thank you for the link to the photo essay. The quiet dignity of the residents was humbling. The shameless nature of the so-called "settlers" was galling. The "haves" complaining that the "have-nots" are a impediment to their quality of life is nothing but obscene.
I will find a way even in these tough economic times to get some additional funds to the "Villages Group". It is people blind to the simple humanity of the residents who can think only in terms of 'terrorist' and all the related memes that allow the willfully ignorant to ignore their plight, while at the same time excusing or condoning every Israeli Zionist outrage.
As far as the religious context, particularly as an atheist, I see the same hypocrisy in the Yom Kippur rituals (casting away of misdeeds - day of atonement) where no change in behavior ever really takes place. It is reminiscent of how I heard xian services often described (i.e. asking forgiveness on Sunday for the sins you'll commit on Monday).
- Siegman says Obama must take on the Israel lobby, and Jews will back him (will they?)
I think that's a valid observation. From my experience, anyone accepting the mantle of "Jew" (or labeled from the outside) is then co-opted into the borg with designated spokesholes claiming to speak for all (the) Jews. The default position is whatever the Z-team decides should be their position.
It's for this reason specifically that my freind Bernie the Attorney renounced his Jewishness (born of a Jewish mother and xian father - he's an atheist like I am). He was tired of having his support added implicitly to those espousing apartheid merely by way of heritage.
I think it's less a question of "will the Jews back him?" but rather what will resonate in the echo chamber. My pal Bernie the Attorney said that while money by itself bestows a certain amount of power, what comes out of the megaphone shapes perceptions in ways that neutralizes other factors (truth, wealth, status, credentials, political rank, academic standing, etc.).
What seems clear is that the desire of rank and file American Jews is secondary to what Zionists will paint as the desire of these same Jews (or often what they can shape as the desire of rank and file American Jews).
- 'Jewish donors warn Obama on Israel'
Can there be a better way to make the case that AIPAC needs to register as a foreign lobby? The incessant bullying and pressure to have the US act in Israel's interest, pushed by those within the US at all levels including government needs to be exposed.
- Picking apart the New York Times Zionist narrative on the Nakba . . . using the New York Times
As amazing as these revisions/omissions are, I'm always gobsmacked when reports ignore that territory acquired by conquest is illegal since the Nuremberg courts addressed this and other issues in response to the horrors of WWII with the intent being that no one else should be subjected to similar injustices.
I am also reminded of why one group over others has to enforce "truth" by the power of the law, as it would be quite possible for the whole house of cards to tumble if too many cracks in the base narrative started appearing and were examined in a clearer light without fear. This is not denial or revisionism but an acknowledgement of the conflating of any aspect of the Zionist narrative with that of the Holocaust. To question the Zionist narrative puts one at risk of being labeled as a denier of all Jewish history, along with the bullying that is so regularly employed in that regard.
- Anti-Muslim bigot Walid Shoebat, brought to you by U.S. taxpayers
Shoebat spoke at our university years ago and even then was comparing the Palestinians to Nazis. When objections were voiced in the following days, most of the co-sponsoring groups pretended that they could disassociate themselves from such content.
- For 40 years Israel practiced deceit in its purported plans for Palestinian autonomy (and that deceit required a partner)
Found this gem on Dr. Finkelstein's site - link to normanfinkelstein.com
03.14.2011 | Uruknet.info
Following the murder at Itamar, Gilad Sharon, son of PM Ariel Sharon, published this piece on Israel's most important tabloid, Yedioth Ahronoth. It pretty much speaks for itself. The only thing that needs to be added is that recently, the young Sharon has joined Kadima – a supposedly center-left party led by Tzipi Livni.
The article was translated and posted in English on the rightwing Israel National News (Arutz 7) site. bold is mine:
Gilad Sharon: PA Nationalism is Only an Offshoot of Zionism
by Gilad Sharon
Let us not forget with whom we are dealing here. You can take the wild Palestinian beast and put a mask on it, in the form of some fluent English-speaking spokesman. You can also put on it a three-piece suit and a silk tie. But every once in a while – during a new moon, or when a crow's droppings hit a howling jackal, or when pita with hyssop doesn't come out just right – the wild beast senses that this is its night, and out of ancient instinct, it sets off to stalk its prey.
They'll explain to us, and we'll also explain to ourselves, how nice and beautiful peace is. We will argue excitedly and with deep inner conviction whether there should be an immediate peace agreement, or perhaps a series of interim agreements. We will discuss these and other such questions, all based on the assumption that on the other side they also think like us and also want quiet and tranquility.
But such an assumption is a rape of reality. A society that can thus sanctify death, and whose best of its youth are baby-stabbers, is simply not like ours. Even their leaders… condemn these acts only by claiming that they "harm the Palestinian cause." There's no moral issue here; it's just a question of harm to the cause. Their three-piece suit is sullied with blood stains, and the mask falls off… and the image of the beast they tried to hide is once again revealed.
They look at us. We are everything they never were and never will be. We have a history and culture thousands of years old, we have a functioning, developing society – while they are just the offshoot of our Zionism. Their entire national story was born in the wake of Zionism. Even their self-definition as a people has no subsistence without us.
They look at themselves through our image. The more we succeed and progress, the more their hatred intensifies. We are the proof that it is possible to do it differently, that failures are not the result of destiny, but primarily of decisions and actions.
In any arrangement that might or might not come about, remember with whom we are dealing. Our security must always remain in our hands.
- Benno Schmidt signals Kushner will get degree-- even as he sidles up to Wiesenfeld's racist statements
As has been said in various other threads here, this is serving to peel away the veneer that allows such attitudes to safely remain in shadow.
It's about time!
- The upshot of the Kushner muzzling
Is his accountant, by any chance, Richard Witty?
Thanks for the laugh! see: link to en.wikipedia.org
- 'Mondo' editors to speak tonight in Oakland
A slight correction; he was in NYC the 4th and 5th, but will be in the Bay Area May 9th, 10th, and 11th. You can still contact him for an interview though.
Best wishes for your appearance. You are also fortunate that Gilad Atzmon will be in the area that same time. See him or arrange for an interview.
Details here: link to gilad.co.uk
I am in the USA!!!
Thursday, May 5, 2011 at 8:47AM Gilad Atzmon
In the next two weeks I will be meeting friends and supporters.
I will be talking about Israel, Palestine and the power of Beauty. I will fundraise for different humanitarian causes to do with Palestine, hope to see many of you.
In case you want to meet me, seek an interview or find more details about my talks, please contact me via my website (use the contact form of the right).
- Awakening: Kushner mugging leads UCLA prof to reject Zionism
Thank you for the cataloging. Well done.
I would add the smears against Lieutenant Commander James Ennes U.S.N. (ret), survivor of Israel's 1967 attack on the USS Liberty and author of "Assault on the Liberty."
As one illustration, when one of the officers injured in the Israeli attack on the Liberty, James Ennes, published a book on the case in 1980-- The Assault on the Liberty --he was under immediate and steady attack from Israeli officials, AIPAC, the Anti-Defamation League, and the grass roots activists, who would not tolerate a challenge to the official lie that the Liberty attack had been a mere unfortunate "error" and that there had been a major cover-up. Hecklers at his speeches called him a liar and anti-Semite, and when Ennes was announced as a guest on a talk show in San Francisco, the station got 500 protesting letters, and the show was inundated by hostile phone calls, including threats of physical harm to the author. His book became hard to get as his publisher, Random House, backed away from it.
see - link to gtr5.com
From the USS Liberty website statement (a site Mr. Ennes help create)
Charges of "anti-Semitism"
Anti-Semitism is an evil, pernicious doctrine that advocates hatred of an entire group of people based on nothing more than their religion and/or ethnicity. It is a senseless, irrational and wholly unacceptable thought system. It is decidedly un-American and the antithesis of what this country stands for. We strongly oppose anti-Semitism and believe that all rational minds must do likewise.
Many of the individuals and groups who oppose our demand for an investigation and accounting of the Israeli attack on USS Liberty characterize our efforts as "anti-Semitism." They refuse to offer facts in support of their argument that the attack was an accident. They refuse to deal with the facts we present. Rather, they simply dismiss us as "anti-Semites" and submit that they need do nothing more than this to establish their position. This is a cowardly evasion of the issue.
The pro-Israel apologists shamelessly make these charges because they are unable to refute our arguments on the facts. Not having a factual basis for their position, they try to dismiss our arguments through ad hominem attacks that are false and disingenuous. Worse, these charges are made in bad faith for no reason other than to create a rationale for evading a discussion on the merits of the case. If they had persuasive facts to offer, they would. They haven't. All they have offered are deliberate, demonstrable lies.
from: link to gtr5.com
My friend Bernie the Attorney used to say, "The power of Zionism ends where people of integrity taking a stand begins."
Superb anecdote!
- Tony Kushner denied CUNY honorary degree over views on Israel
Those familiar with Dr. Finkelstein's website know that many are uncomfortable with hearing painful truths about Isreal. Those standing for justice in the IP conflict often face retribution, particularly those with high profiles (as was the case with Dr. Finkelstein himself).
Israel is gradually losing the ability to enforce their "official narrative" but are still able to bully some into submission.
- The dangers of the nationalistic fever and bloodlust over Osama bin Laden's death
How about you respond to the very specific question I put to you after your snide remarks.
Can't have it both ways.
Cluelessly generalize much?
Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that the only ones qualified to help the Palestinians are the Israelis who so often do so by blasting them to bits.
For the record, what part of my comment might they object to?
That they're demonized as terrorists in the same vein as any Islamic extremists that get front page coverage? While true that it happens doesn't mean that the comparisons are valid. Or is your reading comprehension lacking?
Thank you in advance for clearing this up.
That's the buzz I heard is going around as well.
My personal opinion is that this is just laying the groundwork for a later false-flag attack to be blamed on Muslim desire for revenge in the supposedly recent death of Bin Laden. This will further whip up a frenzy of renewed support for the so-called GWOT (of which Arabs/Muslims are the high-profile bogeymen).
Clues are found, I think, in some of the early false memes (OBL purportedly using a female human sheild).
Who has put out those false memes before and who benefits from an association of [OBL]terror target numero uno and their villian of choice?
Why, it's Chosanistan!
That bit of human shield disinformation puts OBL squarely on par with Palestinians.
My pal, Bernie the Attorney, sez that people remember the 1st bit of information, whether true or not, and later corrections generally do not serve to alter the remembered misinformation (the legacy of the low information voter).
Bernie surmises that a "dirty bomb" attack is a likely scenerio, particularly against a 'liberal' region, so as to essentially eliminate their resistance to further aggression.
We both hope that does not turn out to be the case.
- In defense of Superman
I think it was always appropriate for Mr. "Superman" to take a more humanist universalist approach to the inhabitants of planet earth. What "the American Way" used to stand for in theory (though hardly ever in practice) has long been lost as it now merely indicates that something is OK when we do it.
As an atheist, I see the same sort of idiocy when someone utters "God bless America" in that if their god was real, its grace would be plentiful enough to be bestowed on the entire world; helping to make the bad good and the good better.
That their god is instead used in such a miserly fashion pretty much tells me all I need to know about their belief system.
"If your God hates the things that you do, it's probably not real."
- Slater: Hamas is pragmatic
Yeah, before that statement everything was love and kisses with Hamas, but doggonit, now they've gone too far!
Democratically elected representatioin really cheezes Israel, particularly when they're voted in to oust corrupt Israel puppets.
- Dare to struggle, dare to win, dare to live together and build a paradise
This gentleman's stance reminds me of this quote regarding the theft of Native American lands - from: link to aimovement.org
We need not give another recitation of past complaints nor engage in redundant dialogue of discontent. Our conditions and their cause for being should perhaps be best known by those who have written the record of America's action against Indian people. In 1832, Black Hawk correctly observed: You know the cause of our making war. It is known to all white men. They ought to be ashamed of it.
- Zionists' failure to save Jews from Holocaust was spiked 50 years ago, now in the news
"Israelis are among the most truthful people I have met"
From the writings of Gilad Atzmon - link to gilad.co.uk
"On the face of it, it would seem as if Jews are over sensitive to the 'racial' discriminatory implication of the 'J' word. However most Jews are not that concerned when being associated collectively with some great minds, adorable violin players or conductors. In short to safely apply the 'Jew' category, you just have to make sure you say the right things. No one will ever cause you any trouble for mentioning Albert Einstein in reference to Jewish intelligence or even bringing up Anne Frank as an exemplary motif of Jewish innocence but you may get into some serious trouble once you mention the following list of real and fictional characters: Bernie Madoff, Fagin, Wolfowitz, Lord Levy, Shylock, Alan Greenspan, Netanyahu and Nathan Rothschild without even identifying them as Jews.
All of the above depicts a very obscure, yet far from surprising picture. As it seems, Jews, largely do not mind stereotypes or collective categories. They do not mind racial generalizations and essentialist stigmas as long as they are positive."
I remember being banned from several sites for merely bringing up this issue. Their attacks against Lenni Brenner consisted mainly of dismissing his scholarship based on his politics.
See his self-defense against ADL smears here: link to fantompowa.org
One day people will understand that such a determined effort to bury the truth means you have something to hide.
- Arab spring: Fatah and Hamas reportedly reach deal for interim gov't, elections in a year
I would add this re: Israel-Syria from Dayan as well
From: Michael Oren's Six Days of War: June 1967 and the Making of the Modern Middle East - Reviewed by Norman Finkelstein - link to ussliberty.org
Indeed, he suppresses what is surely the most revealing source on the root cause of these border clashes. In an interview that created a stir in Israel after its belated publication, Defense Minister Moshe Dayan declared:
I know how at least 80 percent of all of the incidents there started. In my opinion, more than 80 percent, but let's speak about 80 percent. It would go like this: we would send a tractor to plow in the demilitarized area, and we would know ahead of time that the Syrians would start shooting. If they did not start shooting, we would inform the tractor to progress farther, until the Syrians, in the end, would get nervous and would shoot. And then we would use guns, and later, even the air force, and that is how it went. We thought.that we could change the lines of the cease-fire accords by military actions that were less than a war. That is, to seize some territory and hold it until the enemy despairs and gives it to us.
It was just such a staged provocation - an Israeli tractor plowing through a disputed field despite Syrian pleas for compromise - that sparked the April 1967 aerial battle. In Oren's reckoning, however, the battle ensued after a pattern of "Syrian provocation" (SDW: p. 46).
Commenting on the thread as a whole, it is always interesting to me to see just how easily hasbarist trolls are dispatched. Contrast that where the site is practicing either overt or covert Zionist gatekeeping and these same masterful comments never see the light of day because the Zionist position cannot be argued effectively in a fair fight.
My hat's off to all the commentors who provided much fascinating and pertinent information.
Here's all you need to know about Michael Oren -
From - link to ussliberty.org
Abba Eban with Footnotes
Michael Oren's Six Days of War: June 1967 and the Making of the Modern Middle East
Reviewed by Norman Finkelstein
It would seem that Oren's main achievement is lending a scholarly veneer to, as it were, the Abba Eban version of the June war. To reconcile the historical record with this apologetic narrative he resorts to several distinct, if overlapping, procedures:
attaching equal weight to a public statement (or memoir) and the hard evidence of an internal document contradicting it
burying in an avalanche of dubious evidence a crucial counter-finding
minimizing, misrepresenting, or suppressing a crucial piece of evidence
Also, see Norman Finkelstein's comments on Hamas -
"The Hamas government has sent mixed signals about its willingness to recognise Israel. It has certainly made enough gestures to recognising the June 1967 borders, such that you can negotiate with them. But the real question is: what has been the Israeli position? Has any Israeli government, or official, or mainstream political party ever recognised a Palestinian state in the June 1967 borders? And the answer is, flatly, no.
-* It is not complicated. *- The position of Hamas was that any recognition had to be mutual. I think that is perfectly legitimate. Why should recognition be one-sided? Why should they have to recognise the Israeli state, but the Israeli state not have to recognise the right of the Palestinians, not to any state, but to a state within the pre-July 1967 border? No Israeli government has done that. If the Israeli government does not do it, then I agree with Hamas: they should not do it."
From: Interview: Norman Finkelstein – 12.15.2006 | The iWitness
More from Dr. Finkelstein - from: link to quotesstar.com
Since the mid-1970s, there's been an international consensus for resolving the Israel-Palestine conflict. [...] It's called a two-state settlement, and a two-state settlement is pretty straightforward, uncomplicated. Israel has to fully withdraw from the West Bank and Gaza and Jerusalem, in accordance with the fundamental principle of international law, [...] that it's inadmissible to acquire territory by war. The West Bank, Gaza and Jerusalem, having been acquired by war, it's inadmissible for Israel to keep them. They have to be returned. On the Palestinian side and also the side of the neighboring Arab states, they have to recognize Israel's right to live in peace and security with its neighbors. That was the quid pro quo: recognition of Israel, Palestinian right to self-determination in the West Bank and Gaza with its capital in Jerusalem. That's the international consensus. It's not complicated. It's also not controversial.
Sourced statements on the Middle East
Norman Finkelstein & Former Israeli Foreign Minister Shlomo Ben-Ami Debate: Complete Transcript
- What is your question for Benjamin Netanyahu?
If Israel was attacked by Palestinians in the manner of Israel's "Cast Lead" operation against Gaza, what would you feel would would be the proper response?
- On the 8th anniversary of Rachel Corrie's stand in Gaza
Who's to say it wouldn't have gone higher if they didn't have that particular noteriety?
As far as that giving them any sort of leg up on integrity, Halliburton stock does quite well, and their shady practices get US service personnel electrocuted in the shower.
It's hard to believe that much time has passed as it is still fresh in my mind. It hurts to see her good name tarnished by people who would resort to any smear to try and defend the actions of Chosanistan.
Peace and warm wishes to all of Rachel's family, friends, and loved ones.
- Anthony Weiner, Brian Baird and Roger Cohen debate the Goldstone Report on March 3rd in NYC
Had to get this comment up from David Horowitz's blog as it's both insanely comical and comically insane.
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The rank cult of islam always was and always will be an ugly, ugly ideology. Born of evil and metaphorically fermented in venom, islam spews out toxic gasses that are straight from hell...it wreaks with the stench of death. muslims are by nature a very intrusive and offensive lot and as such, all their misery is of their own making. It is from the time their evil cult was started, about 1400 years ago, by that demonic man-beast and "prophet from hell" called moe-ham-mad. muslims are and always will be a hopeless people until islam is renounced and it finally gets disbanded by all nations. islamic cultists must be freed by interventions and we need to encourage them to convert to other religions. As Christians, it is our God given duty to provide unlimited financial aid to Israel and the Jewish people. They must receive all manners of support from all western countries. The Jewish people are our brothers. They have contributed so much for the betterment of all mankind and, WHAT HAVE THE MUSLIMS CONTIBUTED? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE, GOING THREE TIMES!!! Its just as I thought... NOTHING.
We must pray for the Jewish people, especially for those in the biblical land of Israel. May God bless Judaism and the land of Israel and may God damn islam and its proponents...ORA PRO NOBIS.
- McGovern paints Hillary Clinton as willful hawk to Obama's jitters
Ray McGovern, you rock!
"I was against being for Hillary Clinton before I was for being against her." ~ LT
- Israel destroys hundreds of West Bank olive trees to lay settlement water line
How soon will it be before your average Palestinian is shot in the face for breathing Israel's and the settlers' air?
- Ivory guntower: 'Harvard Crimson' runs yet another piece (#6) by a former Israeli soldier
What a great piece. Amazing that since its publication in '07, there hasn't been a single online comment (in the paper of the renowned university itself!?!).
How's that for confirming the fear of even discussing the issue might involve repercussions?
- Animals Lara Logan Arabs brutal animals Lara Logan rape culture Lara Logan
Good point. It reminded me of reading how Streisand's cousin or whatever can't make aliyah because of a Facebook entry about some affiliation with a xian ministry. The MP rejected the appeal by ruling he was an undesirable for "working against the interests of Israel or the Jewish people."
And he still wants to raise his family amidst all this dysfunction!
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member. ~ Groucho Marx
- We need to give more money to Israel
I'll have to give C-SPAN another try.
I stopped watching because whenever there was a calm, rational caller commenting on the IP conflict with even the least amount of criticism towards Israel, they'd be cut short and usually hung up on (this was quite common particularly when the subject was specifically about some aspect of the ME conflict or had a representative from the region). If they were ranting and spouting all sorts of offensive gibbersish, they would let the call run long (I suspected plants in most cases as the rants were by-the-numbers Jew bashing). Even if the rants were real, C-SPAN seemed to shut out only the reasoned, pro-justice, pro-Palestinian calls.
The thoughtful voices are out there, they just need to be heard.
- Never Again For Anyone: Right wing Zionists attempt to muzzle Holocaust survivor speaking for Palestinian rights
But I don't know – since the Egyptian revolution began I've been hearing the most hateful comments from persons I would never have expected of such extremism.
Please elaborate if you could. What sort of extremism directed at whom?
This sounds so typical to me as I am familiar with becoming a target, so to speak, for voicing a particular view on the IP conflict (and prior to that for even asking certian questions regarding it).
I had just received an email alert from Estee Chandler of JVP talking about the threats against her for her move to launch an LA chapter (including details about her family to further intimidate).
What makes it more difficult for those using such tactics to succeed is standing together and refusing to cower.
It is always encouraging to see others come out of the wood work to voice their support for justice. My sincere regards to the organization, the organizers, and the supporters, particularly in debunking the false claims made about the event. For too long, lies of the opposition have been unquestioningly accepted as truth .
(btw - view "wanted poster" left on her doorstep here - link to salsa.democracyinaction.org )
- When the rocket hit our school in Beersheva, I thought of Yossarian
Joseph Heller himself said that "Catch-22 means that people have the right to do to you anything which you cannot prevent them from doing to you."
- Mossad chief's statement removes Iranian nuclear threat (Will the 'Atlantic' report it here?)
Sounds strangely familiar to what was noted in Dr. Norman Finkelstein's critque of Michael Oren's book, "Six Days of War"
In this regard it also bears notice that Oren cites the premonition of Quartermaster General Mattityahu Peled that "the Egyptian threat had to be eliminated at once if Israel were to survive" but not Peled's subsequent admission that this posture had been a "bluff," and he quotes statements by IDF chief of operations Ezer Weizman that "We must strike now and swiftly.we must deal the enemy a serious blow, for if we won't other forces will soon join him," and "All the signs indicate that the Egyptians are ready to strike. We have no option but to attack at once," but not Weizman's later acknowledgment that actually "there was no threat of destruction" and the Egyptians would have "suffered a complete defeat" even if they "attacked first." [....] Far from panicking on the eve of the June war, the "IDF under Rabin" was - in the words of Israeli military historian Martin van Creveld - "at the peak of its preparedness," "confident in its power" and "spoiling for a fight and willing to go to considerable lengths to provoke it."
- Collective punishment: Wikileaks doc says Israel kept Gaza on 'brink of collapse' partly as response to capture of Gilad Shalit
Outside of the Mondocult does anyone really buy that nonsense.
Considering the fact that the Ziocult regularly distorts the discussion by continually omitting, limiting, deleting, banning, bullying, and misrepresenting contrary positions, those of the so-called "Mondocult" are painfully aware that the opposition largely consists of liars and/or some combination of ignorance, willful or otherwise.
- Gaza Two Years Later
The common bond of simple humanity is profound.
Yet I can still imagine Zionists hyperventilating over these "terrorists" pretending to be "normal" human beings.
- The calm strength of a Palestinian woman
I am reminded (and was just discussing with a co-worker) the reality of the buffalo hunts on Native American hunting grounds. This mass slaughter was not about taking advantage of a hunter's paradise but rather to deprive the indigenous peoples of a food source so they would choose to move on ("Don't go away mad, just go away.").
Any attempt on their part to resist had them branded as primitive bloodthirsty savages.
I recently saw a piece in the local paper about Caltech students and volunteers harvesting the olives from the campus courtyard olive trees. It was portrayed as so communal and festive as they went about the process leading up to sending off the sorted harvest to an outfit that donated their facilities to press the oil, which was then bottled under the Caltech brand label ( link to olives.caltech.edu ).
I could not help but contrast that with the experience that Palestinian families and growers go through regularly trying to harvest their crop (provided the trees have not been bulldozed), not just for the fun of it but to actually survive. I'm sure they could have an experience every bit as festive and communal, but are deprived of it thanks to the petty (and not so petty) harassment they suffer at the hands of settlers and the IDF.
I am going to write Caltech (there's a place for additional questions in the FAQ) and ask if they've ever considered using their harvest to show solidarity with the Palestinians and highlight and publicize the obstacles they go through to try to bring their own harvest to market.
- The Mavi Marmara is set to hit the big screen in Turkey
It should be titled, "Glorious Basterds".
- A tale of two ghettos
So the oppression, subjugation, dehumanization (and make no mistake - the killings)…as long as it's in slow-motion...it's not a problem?
I simply love this photo and the outrage it's generated because we can hear several times a week how Hamas or Ahmadinejad is ready to [do something sinister to] Israeli children in front of their parents and that is somehow not racist...but to calmly and rationally ask, "Can we trust this man with nuclear weapons?"...a wholly valid and reasonable question, and the tired and perfunctory charges of anti-Semitism spring forth.
- How many Israeli soldiers does it take to keep an elderly Palestinian woman from harvesting her olives?
It doesn't matter how many IDF heroes it takes to stop her.
It's as simple as that.
Olive oil can be used to lubricate the silo doors to their nuclear missile bunkers and then Ahmadinejad would be free to waltz in and clean up and throw Israeli incubator babies on the cold floor to die in agony.
There are very good reasons when Israelis decide to ban and block a commodity. Those "humanitarian" flotillas carried enough banned commodities to service the entire PA Army, Air Force, Navy, & Marines...not to mention all the budding toddler terrorists in waiting.
Not only that, the flotilla carried pointed sticks, and metal implements of a large and heavy nature (while the world sits idly by yet again as Lady Israel is once more brutalized - for shame).
- Joy to the world, David Broder says Obama can rejuvenate the economy by going to war with Iran
Well...if it will rev up our flagging economy, what's the big deal with a few dead foreigners?
As long as our bestest buds in Israel think it's a good idea. They always have our best interests at heart.
They're so thoughtful. What ever would we do without friends such as these? I hope we *never* get on their bad side. Why G_d H_mself would smite us!
And we'd deserve it!
- Caterpillar freeze and 'Jewish Voice for Peace' honor suggest advance of boycott movement
True to an extent except for the bad PR that it potentially generates, particularly considering there's virtually no MSM coverage of the Rachel Corrie trial as far as I can tell.
I have no problem setting sights on other corporations profiting off the blood of victims of the Israelis. Next in the figurative crosshairs should be the politicians who gain in numerous (and most often unacknowledged) ways from supporting this long-running & ongoing bloodbath.
Excellent links. Thanks for providing them.
It's good to see companies realizing the need for projecting an image of good corporate citizens (even when dragged kicking & screaming to get there).
- Abulhawa: 'As Palestinians, we are facing our own extinction'
Amazing just how much material disappears into the memory hole, particularly when it would be an important reference to rebutting the Zionist narrative.
I am not a supporter of Israeli expansion.
So then you support returning Palestine to the pre-1947 line?
- Congressional chairman to Palestinians who live in the capital of the Jewish people: Drop dead
Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. It is not a settlement.
Indistinguishable from the neo-cons, "We make our own reality."


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Describing the voice of Conor Oberst, many people have used the word "quaver," even after the indie singer-songwriter toned down the teenage trembling, as a 34-year-old man should.
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LOS ANGELES (AP) - Certified insurance agents who helped sign up 40 percent of individuals in California's new health care plan say they are late receiving commissions, according to a report Thursday.
SAN DIEGO (AP) - Advocacy groups barely waited for President Barack Obama to finish speaking about sweeping changes to the U.S. immigration system to start warning about scams.
LOS ANGELES (AP) - Creed frontman Scott Stapp says he's broke.
NEW YORK (AP) - Early-bird shoppers headed to stores on Thanksgiving in what's becoming a new holiday tradition.
RENO, Nev. (AP) - Uber Technologies' legal battle with Nevada's highly regulated taxi industry over Internet ride-sharing may be headed back to the political arena now that a judge has at least temporarily banned Uber's unlicensed operations statewide.
PHILADELPHIA (AP) - Bill Cosby testified under oath in 2005 that he gave the National Enquirer an exclusive interview about looming sexual-assault accusations by a Canadian woman against him in exchange for the tabloid spiking a second accuser's story.
NEW YORK (AP) - Millions of Americans across the country are marking the holiday with lots of turkey, football, parades and early shopping, while many are overcoming some nasty weather and power outages. At the White House, President Barack Obama is spending a quiet Thanksgiving with a traditional meal.
FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) - Protesters in Ferguson pressed pause Thursday as the city welcomed Thanksgiving, decorating boarded-up storefronts with some Dr. Seuss inspiration and gathering for church services - a stark contrast to previous days of outrage over the grand jury decision in the Michael Brown case.
LONDON (AP) - Oil companies saw their shares take a beating Thursday as crude prices slid to their lowest in over four years in the wake of OPEC's decision to maintain production levels even though prices have fallen sharply in recent weeks.
ROCHESTER, N.Y. (AP) - Before the holiday wish lists and mad buying rush each year comes a dose of nostalgia with the National Toy Hall of Fame's annual picks for enshrinement.
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FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) - Some witnesses said Michael Brown had been shot in the back. Another said he was face-down on the ground when officer Darren Wilson finished him off. Still others acknowledged changing their stories to fit published details about the autopsy or admitted that they did not see the shooting at all.
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CHICAGO (AP) - The Obama administration will promote health insurance coverage at shopping malls starting on Black Friday and continuing through the busiest shopping days of the holiday season, officials announced Wednesday. They said more than 462,000 people selected a private insurance plan in the first week of 2015 enrollment through the online marketplace HealthCare.gov.
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"We need to do something for this family." The "Madison County Fire Rescue House" incredible story begins with that statement and this tragedy, December 31, 2008, domestic fire in Anderson, Indiana claiming the lives of two little girls and leaving the family with nothing. Even in the midst of this sad situation, a community comes together and this was precisely the spirit in which this project was born.
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Skip to comments.Any government shutdown would be ordered by the petulant President Obama and Senate Democrats
Posted on 09/23/2013 11:35:00 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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Jane, just talked to my senator's office. The Republicans in the senate plan on caucusing tomorrow to decide on how best to go forward.
Call now if you want your voices heard.
It is important to understand that Obama despises our values, our history, our Constitution, our institutions, our political system because he thinks it is racist and oppressive as any capitalist system is in his eyes. Obamacare is just one more battle in the eternal struggle to transform America into something better, more just, and less belligerent.
Obamacare is just one battle in a war without end.
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You've said it succinctly and clearly, as you usually do.
How come the GOP isn't blanketing the airwaves with this as an easy to understand rallying cry? (Rhetorical question).
This is where McConnell and the Rinos will try to back stab us.
Hope there is some type of revolt against the establishment.
Regarding the people demanding that the House of Representatives defund constitutionally indefensible Obamacare, some patriots have been referencing Federalist No. 58 which was written by James Madson.
In Federalist No. 58, Madison actually emphases that one of the main reasons that the Founding States delegated the power of the purse solely to the House of Representatives (HoR) was give the HoR a means by which the people could redress their grievances against the Oval Office for usurping legislative powers (my wording), not that Obama would dare think of usurping Congress's powers. =^O
Here's key wording from Federalist No. 58:
The House of Representatives cannot only refuse, but they alone can propose, the supplies requisite for the support of government. They, in a word, hold the purse that powerful instrument by which we behold, in the history of the British Constitution, an infant and humble representation of the people gradually enlarging the sphere of its activity and importance, and finally reducing, as far as it seems to have wished, all the overgrown prerogatives of the other branches of the government. This power over the purse may, in fact, be regarded as the most complete and effectual weapon with which any constitution can arm the immediate representatives of the people, for obtaining a redress of every grievance, and for carrying into effect every just and salutary measure.
Absofreepinglutely. Great point! James Madison is the man.
Irrelevant. The news networks and wire services will view it as a catastrophe, and blame it on conservatives and Republicans.
Until we replace the networks and the wire services, we will continue spiraling towards doom. We will vote out Obama but simply vote in another Obama until the AP is toppled.
Oh I;m sure the lamestream media will blame us again, can't have dear messiah leader looking bad can they.
It's not irrelevant when the people who matter know the truth. And I believe the Reaganesque Ted Cruz has the communications skills and statesmanship to take the message over the heads of the media and directly to the people. And he and Lee and Palin, and all patriots will be pounding the message home 24/7.
Thanks for making the calls!!
KEEP CALLING YOUR SENATORS!! The HEAT is ON!
Can you get that on ABC, NBC, CBS, the NYT, WAPO, Chicago Tribune, et al.?
It isn't clear to me that the American public gets it. Has anyone seen solid polling that American voters are aware of what's going on?
My understanding is that Republicans may refuse to allow them to do so...
Right on Jim. As I've been saying since joining the ranks of posters at the forum in January of 2004 (Lurked since 2001) about the bureaucracies. They are crammed with Leftist/Liberals therefore the Leftist perceived disaster if government is shut down.
We need to shut down the vast majority of those mostly Leftist/Liberal initiated Federal Departments those Leftist/Liberal bureaucracies crammed with entrenched Leftist/Liberal support anyway, so if Reid and company force the shutdown of government they will be forcing the lay off of mostly their own.
"Obama and his ilk do not necessarily want to end the United States right away, I think they want to merge it into a utopian socialist world order."
That would be their dream. However, I think they realize it's not going to play out like that. So what's a more realistic plan to accomplish largely the same result at least in the parts of the country they actually care about: the population centers on the left and east coasts?
Let's say TX secedes and the divorce is relatively peaceable. While I personally don't think that TX would be the first state, nor do I think it would be peaceable, let's assume it for the sake of discussion.
Do the electoral math. TX leaving is Game Over for the rest of the states unless they want to come under the socialist yoke. So it's hard choice time for the remaining more or less conservative states. Go with TX or stay and hope for the best? Some would go. Others would stay. End result for the remaining US: uncontested socialism in a somewhat smaller country size wise.
All in all it would be a solid win for the radical leftists and their ilk.
As the resident Rino on FR, I often like to rain on your parade,
BUT, I can't seem to find much wrong with your posting.
Like Sarah said, "Lets be clear. Republicans in Congress aren't advocating a government shutdown. Thats why they voted in the House to fully fund our bureaucracy while defunding Obamacare. The conservatives in Congress are listening to the majority of Americans who do not want Obamacare."
I have no way to do that, but people like Ted Cruz, Mile Lee, Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin and many other statesmen and spokespersons do. And they certainly are and will continue doing so.
Actually, the RINOs got caught doing backroom deals to save Obamacare until it became obvious. If those traitors don't support the defund movement, no conservative will ever vote for them again. They'd be through, and hopefully they're beginning to see it.
Bravo!!!!!!!!!!! you nailed it Jim
There's an aspect to this that has gotten lost in all the inside baseball and it's kind of the dog that isn't barking:
Ten months ago after Obama was re-elected, the news was all about how the Republican party was on its last legs and about to die. If you had said back then that in September of 2013 the debate would be about whether to defund Obamacare, and the tax increases, new spending, and end to the sequester, etc would be completely off the table and that a "win" for the President would be defined as maintaining discretionary spending at an Eisenhower percentage of GDP with the Bush tax cuts for the middle class permanently enshrined in federal law...you would have been considered a total wackjob.
We haven't won, but we're playing a weak hand pretty damn well.
See here: http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/176506/?show-at-comment=275080#comment-275080
That's not me, but we have to recognize that we're on a roll here and without acknowledging that we can't have a solid strategy.
My point is (and I'll take a complete dismantlement of Obamacare, but it ain't gonna happen) we need to keep on winning. We've got a ton of great scandals to exploit if we're the Party of Liberty. With that, we can win in 2014, 16 and going forward for a generation, maybe two. If not, the GOP is a footnote.
Hold the line! Do not surrender! The House and the House alone has the constitutional power to win this appropriations fight against an illegally expanding federal government, per James Madison, Federalist 58. The Founders saw this coming and gave we the people the tools to head if off through our elected representatives. This is the people's fight against unconstitutional government and we can win it as long as we can prevent our reps from surrendering. Obama/Reid cannot get the funds for obamacare if our House refuses to appropriate them!! Period!! No matter how long it takes!! There's nothing more important to the republic!!
PS: Shutting DOWN the Fed.gov is a GOOD thing! DUHH!!!
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Dragonball Evolution is released in Cinemas on 8th April 2009
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Skip to comments.Penn & Teller: Dalai Lama and Tibet (Dalai Lama, not quite the saint).
Posted on 06/10/2011 9:20:15 AM PDT by Sonny M
Even though Penn and Teller are atheists, they don't spare any religion, or religious figures, and the Dalai Lama is no different, also a nice summery of why no one should be surprised that the Dalai Lama is a marxist.
"I was very young when I first heard the word communist. The 13th Dalai Lama had left a testament that I read. Also, some of the monks who were helping my studies had been in monasteries with Mongolians. They had talked about the destruction that had taken place since the communists came to Mongolia. We did not know anything about Marxist ideology. But we all feared destruction and thought of communists with terror. It was only when I went to China in 1954-55 that I actually studied Marxist ideology and learned the history of the Chinese revolution. Once I understood Marxism, my attitude change completely. I was so attracted to Marxism, I even expressed my wish to become a Communist Party member."
"Tibet at that time was very, very backward. The ruling class did not seem to care, and there was much inequality. Marxism talked about an equal and just distribution of wealth. I was very much in favor of this. Then there was the concept of self-creation. Marxism talked about self-reliance, without depending on a creator or a God. That was very attractive. I had tried to some things for my people, but I did not have enough time. I still think that if a genuine communist movement had come to Tibet, there would have been much benefit to the people."
(Time Magazine; "Exile;" October 4, 1999; pp. 78,79.)
Its like slavery, on steroids.....lots and lots of steroids.
Common sense. When you find Richard Gere, Steven Seagal and the Beastie Boys unified around a cause, you can be absolutely certain the cause, at its root, is stone cold evil.
Did the Dalai learn anything about the 'cultural revolution' and the 70 million deaths?
This is hard to square with other things the Dalai Lama has said, such as his description of how, when visiting with Mao at the age of 19, he was shocked by the negative statements Mao made concerning religion.
Even though? Huh?
Based on what he said, No.
Most marxists have the typical "if I was in charge, it would be different", or "It hasn't been given a real chance", or some other b.s. to explain away the failure.
Keep in mind, what he probably wants is a theocratic version of maoist marxism, thats not a nice peaceful loving thing, thats slavery that owns, body, mind and soul (and if he has his way, probably your afterlives).
Most western style "atheists", never ever attack religious figures outside of Christianity, mostly because the so called atheists here, are just anti-christian. When was the last time Bill Maher talked about hinduism, buddhism or shintoism ?
I still laugh when I remember Bill Maher, mr. atheist actually finding Penn and Teller offensive due to their religious views.......LOL
Marxists are the angry non-ruling class wanting to become the ruling class. That's all. They do not seek equality and freedom for all. They seek to become the rulers, and their anger makes them brutal dictators.
This is explains the Hollywood Lefties like Richard Gere who act all down with "peace" and then embrace the horrific violence of communism/maoism. Doesn't compute.
If one judges the dalai lamas by their words, then they are saints,if one judges by the actions, then the word monsters come to mind.
Not to nitpick but I believe the Albanian version was even more brutal as they cut ties with China for not being as hard lined as the Albanian regime.
Richard Gere would do something with gerbils if he though that conservative Americans would disapprove.
I just remembered a couple of "jokes" an Albanian I knew told me a few years back.
"What we do to our friends, makes our enemies cry, what we do to our enemies....they can no longer cry."
His other line was about brutality....."We know brutal, we do everything with brutality, we even drink our wine with the brutality that you reserve for your common criminals".
Agreed - I read a year or so ago when the Dalai Lama said he believed in socialism and didn't like capitalism...now we find out he's a hard-core Maoist. There's no excuse not to know what that means - unless this is a very stupid man, which he may well be, he is not at all what his image appears to be. This is someone who has no respect for freedom or human rights — he rejects God and worships militant power to create & enforce "social justice." Obama had it right when he had this dude ushered out the back door (albeit not for the right reason)
As creators of their video clips, they have all the power. To some degree, they abuse their power. But not so much so as does 60 minutes, 20/20, ABC news, CNN, Newsweek, CBS news, CNN, etc.
Caveat Emptor, even when it's free.
They seem to be members of the atheist right, along with Ayn Rand. I think this country was founded by the religious right. Ronald Reagan was a recent modern proponent of the religious right. By right, I mean individual rights, limited government, and free (at least relatively free) markets. In this context at least, religious means Judeo-Christian.
To me, the religious right is the branch of western civilization that works best and has the most merit. The oposing pole is the atheist left - Marxism, communism. There is also the religious left of a supreme religious state. I think this is the goal of Islam.
As creators of their video clips, they have all the power. To some degree, they abuse their power. But not so much so as does 60 minutes, 20/20, ABC news, CNN, Newsweek, CBS news, CNN, etc.
Caveat Emptor, even when it's free.
They seem to be members of the atheist right, along with Ayn Rand. I think this country was founded by the religious right. Ronald Reagan was a recent modern proponent of the religious right. By right, I mean individual rights, limited government, and free (at least relatively free) markets. In this context at least, religious means Judeo-Christian.
To me, the religious right is the branch of western civilization that works best and has the most merit. The oposing pole is the atheist left - Marxism, communism. There is also the religious left of a supreme religious state. I think this is the goal of Islam.
I'm mixed on them, but will give them credit, in that they don't push an agenda as much as they attack agendas.
Interestingly enough, Glen Beck actually confused Penn Jilette with being an example of a hollywood conservative (he's not), so it kind of shows what some of his views range to and from.
He is very hostile to all religions. I use him as an example of what a real atheist looks as opposed to people who are simply anti-christian (to put this in perspective, numerous other atheists actually find them offensive in regards to their views about and presentation of other religions....that tells you everything you need to know about secularists in the US). BTW, their view on marriage, is that the government should not be involved in it, period, not a popular view with any one, at all.
Sidenote: Penn Jilette, did mention he is not allowed to trash 2 religions, one is islam, due to fear for his own family, and also because the executives at showtime, fear reprisal against themselves and their families (he actually said this point blank, no double talk, he was pretty clear). The other is the church of scientology, due to a business arrangement showtime has with that church. I have no idea what that arrangement is, and he didn't elaborate (he also wasn't asked to).
I'm not entirely sure how smart he actually is. I mean, he wasn't exactly educated in the finest schools (or even the most mediocre of ones), and not exactly with tutors that are noble prize winning or anything.
He knows his own religion, he knows his own history, he probably knows to some extent other things, in regards to whats relevant to him, and he repeats the kind of stuff you hear children say on the playground or that you read in a greeting card.
Hell, take Barney the purple dinosaur, and listen to him, the stuff that purple dinosaur says, sounds more sophisticated and advanced. Never the less, in the simple minded cartoon world of progressives, this passes as wisdom.
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Aliens and God
In not too distant past while killing my time on internet i decided to google origin of different religion and could not resist the fact how come people separated by oceans thousand year back can experience same phenomenon. Literature found in various religion also describe events as they happen but what they lead you to picture the events is absolutely same. Flying soccer like things which are found in Hinduism, Christianity and artforms in ancient pyramids of Egypt suggest they might very well have seen Aliens.
Its very much possible our ancestors who interacted with heavenly forces were infact aliens.
Before you pull the gun and brand me as atheist i am not suggesting that God does not exist or there is no greater power which oversee us. However that Great power or God can be infact Aliens which are very advanced in civilization and were brain behind human race on earth, they taught us everything and interacted with our ancestors. They are still our Guardian in this universe and nothing less than the definition of God. If Aliens created everything, then sure they're Gods.
Most prominent proof that aliens made contact with human race very early are pyramid structure around the globe, How can pyramids be build on different part of the world look exactly the same in parameters considering at that time those places were in no contact with each other.
I would like to mention pyramid of Giza which definitely look to me work of aliens, its fact now which scientist agreed that even with modern technology and same workforce its impossible to build the pyramid of giza in the time ancient egyptian folks did.
Here are some facts which can clear things up for great pyramid of giza
1) If you take the perimeter of the pyramid and divide it by two times its height, you get a number that is exactly equivalent to the number pi (3.1415…) up to the fifteenth digit. The chances of this phenomenon happening by sheer chance is remarkably small. Did the ancient Egyptians know what the number pi was? I don't think so, seeing as it was a number not calculated accurately to the fourth digit until the 6th century, and the pyramids calculate it to the fifteenth.
2) What about the fact that even though the sides of the base of the pyramid are some 757 feet long, it still forms an almost perfect square? Every angle in the base is exactly 90 degrees. In fact, the sides have a difference in length of something like two centimeters, which is an incredibly small amount.
3) What about the fact that although the Egyptians kept very careful records about everything they ever did every king they had, every war they fought, every structure they built but still there were no records of them ever having built the pyramids?
4) What about the fact that the Egyptians had not even invented the wheel yet, but the blocks that they had to carry to build the pyramids weighed about 2 tons each? 4,000 lbs. In fact, they used so much stone, that if you took all of the stone they used and cut it into 1 foot square blocks, it would extend 2/3 of the way around the earth.
5) How about the fact that a group of modern scientists attempted to build a pyramid out next to the real one using modern technologies, and after something like 100 days, succeeded in building one about 1/40 of the size of the real one.
There are also interesting pictures in Ancient Egypt which people wearing big helmets and sitting in spacecraft like things, They look more like an alien craft they have seen. Our ancestors tried best to their ability to show what they have seen and we can still turn an blind eye by branding it an work of art or religious beliefs. One must not forget those religious beliefs are ancestors had must be inspired from things they have seen.
Here is My Take !!
Earth was discovered by some intergalactic travelers around 80000 years ago. They chose to mix and breed an intelligent race on the planet and gave us technology, knowledge and genes in our gene pool. Thus we started advancing at an good pace, simultaneously worshipping them as Gods. They promised to return, and left. What may have been a short span of time for them was probably thousands of years for us, in which we continued our advancement, and carried on the worshipping. The Gods did eventually return, probably to observe us. Each time they returned, they would help out a bit, a little more knowledge, a little more of civilization, which would explain the extraordinary feats of building the pyramids, etc. And then once again, the Gods would leave, with a promise of return. This promise got converted into things like "Day of Reckoning" and "End of the World.
Perhaps pyramids and relics of easter island were built in preparation for the return of the Gods, but the Gods never came back, and so they were abandoned. Perhaps the aliens didn't like the progress of the human race, and decided to start anew by flooding everything out. And now we wait the return of our Gods. The UFO sightings and alien abductions of today are probably them checking in on us.
Ever noticed when we refer to God, we point up towards the sky?
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Is anyone else having a difficult time keeping their heart rate under 140 while trying to workout? I'm 15.5 weeks along and finally getting some energy to get on the treadmill. My HR is usually high anyways when I workout but I can barely do a thing and am getting so frustrated! My doc said it's ok to keep it at 140 for 15 minutes then rest but mine doesn't stay there, it just keeps going up! I have to continually stop and sit down, then get back on. Any other good options for staying somewhat fit? Or anyone else having this problem?! Thanks!
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Ugh! My doc says to stay below 120!!! It is super frustrating to have to stop the workout and walk it out a bit. I would be interested in seeing what others are doing too!
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Sorry I meant, I'm having a hard time keeping it at 140, it just keeps going up as I walk at the same speed! I mean it's crazy, I'm walking at a 2.0 incline and speed of 3.3! It's nothing! I try and relax and slowly work up but doesn't work. I don't have high blood pressure it's just when I go to work out I must get excited or something and my heart starts to race! Maybe I'm just weird!
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I have heard that that is old advice. Now they say that you can work out harder than was previously thought. Here's a link from webmd: http://www.webmd.com/baby/guide/exercise-during-pregnancy-myth-vs-fact
My midwife has encouraged me to keep running as long as I feel like it.
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Your heart rate is not the biggest concern for you when you are working out. I taught aerobics all the way through my 1st pregnancy - the thing to be looking for and watching is how hot your body is getting. You don't want to over heat - that will hurt your baby more than your heart rate being elevated. I ran a 1/2 marathon just a few weeks ago and i just had to be sure to watch myself and drink lots of water.
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My doctor didn't tell me to stay within a certain heartrate, but she did say that the only exercise I could do is walking and housework. Oh...and I should avoid hiking or other strenuous activities. Mind you, she's Korean and deals with wimpy Korean women all the time who don't do anything while they're pregnant. (Sorry if any of you ladies are Korean.) Shortly after she told me this, I went hiking, although not difficult, it took about an hour or so to get to the peak. It was definitely an easier hike that the one I did when I was 4-5 months pregnant with DD.
My doctor didn't give me a target heart rate either - he said I can (and should) work out to a point where I feel challenged, but not overly exhausted. He said it's just very important to really pay attention to any cues my body give me, and follow that. He also said to watch that I don't get too hot, and to avoid balance/contact sports. My first trimester exercise was just limited to one 40 minute walk with the dog in the morning, but now I'm trying to add a few gym trips during the week - I'll just watch for my temperature and how I'm feeling, and not push too hard.
The 140 HR recommendation is outdated! That was ACOG's recommendation before 1994. Here's an article that talks about the change:
The current guide is the talk-test. If you can't talk normally, your heart rate is probably too high. Here's the link directly to ACOG's Exercise During Pregnancy pamphlet:
My doc told me not to worry about my heartrate because it can vary so much from person to person. If I couldn't carry on a conversation while exercising, I needed to slow down. It's been a good guideline!
I would turn off the heart rate monitor and listen to your body. The concern is really not getting your core body temperature up too high. So, if you feel overly winded and hot, take a break. If you feel good, then you should be fine - your body will tell you if you're overdoing it. You shouldn't work out to exhaustion during pregnancy, and definitely keep hydrated, but I think the heart rate limit was never really based on any study or evidence and is sort of outdated advice. My doctor advised just keeping within comfortable limits (whatever those might be for your individual level of fitness).
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