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If you're like most Americans, you classify yourself as "middle class." But as the debate over tax cuts shows, nobody can agree on exactly what middle class means. A family earning $250,000 in a high-cost location like Manhattan, for example, probably doesn't consider themselves rich.
If you're like most Americans, you classify yourself as "middle class." But as the debate over...
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Since you can take public transportation to/from other NYC locales 250K is at least upper middle class. Quite frankly anyone earning that amount of money that doesn't consider themselves doing well has a huge personal finance issue.
>>(which ideally will go directly towards paying the debt)
Reagan lowered taxes (on the rich, he raised them on the poor), and the government just spent more.
Hit the nail on the head. Its a moving target and so complex that any black and white or one size fits all type tax policy is unjust. Targeting ANY specific demographic is dangerous. There has been no meaningful discussion from either party on reducing spending. Cut spending BEFORE raising taxes. Create a list of ALL govt spending and its rate of growth. Give this list to the voters and let them decide where to spend the money.
The Fair Tax would eliminate this growing class warfare.
THE government. Last time I looked we were a democracy and we ARE the government. As a social compact we all agree to fund public highways, transportation, public schools, police, firefighters, the military, the people's pension plan called social security which we pay into our whole lives in order to afford to live when we retire. These are OUR benefits. Last time I looked we still voted every two years. What dictatorship are you living in?
Fair tax steals from the poor to give to the "Well Off". Screw Rich.. anyone making more than 250k after deductions is at least well off.
I live in Manhattan, and there is a huge difference between living here and anywhere else in the US. Rent on a 1,200 sq ft apartment in my area is $60,000-$85,000, parking a car will cost you more than $7,000. The local income tax will run you about $10,000. $250,000 in Manhattan is probably equivalent to about $60,000 in most other parts of the country.
What middle class means is not the same as we thought we should be. I just bumped into Janet Tavakoli's blog and though not being able to endorse all her points. She is right on the target. Also, she mentioned Arianna Huffington's new book, Third World America: How Our Politicians are Abandoning the Middle Class and Betraying the American Dream speaks for the disenfranchised middle class: Americans that have lost wages, lost jobs, lost value in homes, and lost substantial value in investments and retirement funds. The U.S. middle class is being scammed out of existence. Wall Street and large corporate special interests -- including energy companies, large financial institutions, drug companies, and the large military industrial complex -- effectively bought Washington.
I make about 100k in Manhattan and live a far better life than most of my friends in Houston, TX that make 50-60k. The reason is, I know how to shop for bargins and never pay retail. Yes, my rent is $2,500/month but I dont NEED a car so I use public transit. My friends in TX pay $1,200 for rent but HAVE to have a car and end up paying another $1,200 total for car payments, insurance, gas, etc (for two cars if they are married). It's all about being smart with your money, and the average american isnt.
Ok so going off the average household income of $60,000 the $250k person is making over x4 more.
Are you saying that gas in NY costs over $12 a gallon, a 12 pack of soda costs $16, a fast food value meal costs $20, and a subscription to Direct TV runs $400 a month?
Because that would be the equivalent difference to where I live if the standard of living in NYC was so high that $250k was middle class.
According to the article an income of $250,000 a year is the top 3%. If that isnt a definition of rich I am not sure what is.
If one with that income does not feel rich they may need to look at what they are spending their money on or perhaps look at how many extra non-necessities they have more above the average person.
Well, it depends on where you live and when you were fortunate enough to buy a house if you actually own. And it also depends on if you have children. The people that consider $250K rich must live in a fly-over state. I was "lucky" enough to buy my home in San Francisco at the peak or close to it in 2005. My mortgage is "only" $6,200 a month. Day care for the two kids (because we both work) is approximately $2,900 month. After taxes, that doesn't leave a whole lot left over now does it? Please, that is not rich, its barely getting by. Do yourself a favor and stay in the middle part of the country, you'll be able to afford alot of things and you won't get dinked with extra taxes.
If you CHOSE to pay 6200 per month just for your mortgage then you need to go look in the mirror. 250K per year is doing well irregardless of WHERE you live in the USA. Its HOW you live that determines whether or not you CHOOSE to save money.
I remember those daycare bills, they are brutal. Especially when you're starting out.
I was so happy when that was over. Then came sports fees, summer camp and after school care. Now we are paying for car insurance (3000/yr for a new driver) and college next year. 55k/yr Funny, now I will be missing the daycare bills.
Enjoy your kids now, as I have learned they grow fast and cost more.
LOL.... 18 years later.....my husband still can't fold the clothes
I stayed home for a year or so after each child and literally was just breaking even when I went back to work after daycare & taxes. We thought that eventually I would earn more and the kids would be in school so the years of volunteering for taxes was ultimately worth it but it is challenging no matter how you do it.
Reply to davidbdc's comment about choices.... I think that really hits the head on the nail for me. People make choices with their money. If its paying for your kids college in cash or $6,000 on a mortgage thats a choice and again, what you have left over doesnt bump you down to a lower economic class.
Not that being in that position is bad or anything.
As far as paying for college in cash is being a choice, I don't get that unless I don't want my kids to go. I understand a house being a choice but college?
Since I am very much anti debt, I will not borrow and pay interest.
Open for suggestions.
Saying that 250k income is a straight multiplier of 4 on the average 60k is somewhat misleading.
I do not know what is the tax rate for a family of four making 60k is but a family of 4 making 250k is taxed federally I think around 35% that's 80k or so off the top; leaving much less than this 20k/month estimate. - more like 12k/mo.
As for daycare, we paid what we had to. Its very difficult to actually "get in" to ANY daycare in the City. We were on the waiting list since our son was in the womb and it took 2+years.
True Talbano the x4 is not exact and is going to be wrong but its "should" be a rough estimate.
1: Kids can work/earn through scholarship their own way through college.
2: Kids can debt their own way through college.
3: Parents can debt their kids way through college.
4: Parents can pay it in cash.
Also why do we encourage people taking on debt instead of rewarding responsible people?
I wonder why there are not any tax breaks for higher ed?
We are one of the most undereducated societies in the world.
I just think the system is backwards -
I always thought that my son could take a student loan - defer it and my husband I could pay it over time.
You cannot get student loans if you work hard or have saved.
The only option is to get a parent loan.
Makes me a little crazy when the interest is 6-8% and the government will loan to people underwater on their mortgage at 0.
My son will work in the summer but I will not require him to work as long as his studies are challenging and he is getting good grades.
I would rather suck it up now so that he has a shot at a future.
Plus the School he is looking at will require and externship every year.
I surely do not want him to start out with all kinds of debt and nothing- Like me and my husband - that is a though way to start your life. My husband was paying student loans into his 30s and when we got married, I was making 20k and he was making 30k.
No. I think you are misunderstanding me.
You seem like a nice person and I have always been a proud american that has worked hard to provide for my family and give back to our community.
I guess I just resent being classified as "rich" when in the end, it's been hard work and going without for many years to have a more secure future.
My husband drives a car with 230k miles on it.
Now because people over leverage and our government cannot come up with a solid plan - They look towards the responsible people to pay more, while everyone else gets handouts.
Where is the incentive to do more?
Paying for college is and has always been a priority for our kids, as that opportunity was not available to me.
We are creating a society of people that will want more for less and less and people that have resources will be will be more reluctant to lend a hand.
It's sad.
This give from the people that have to the people that don't will never work.
Why is that people cannot create their own opportunities? Why isn't that behavior rewarded?
This is a sad sad path we are on. I think the people that sit there and say it no big deal to pay more are people that are not effected.
It is always easy to spend other peoples money but when does it end? I am sure by the time all is said an done the average family making 250k probably pays close to 50% in taxes.
So I guess, if everyone just decides not to make more money than where would that leave our country.
I am tired of paying more and more to bailout people.
I honestly fully agree with you there Talbano. Your tax points you make though are a separate discussion on how much people need to be taxed vs (what I thought was the topic) if a $250k income person is "rich" or "middle class". I use the quotes because they are just labels that for some reason some what to fight to the death to note be labeled rich. Instead they want to be called middle class...
I say it so you and others have a reference from where i am coming from as some of the comments in this thread (not necessarily from you) really urked me personally.
That I don't live in NYC so I don't know how rough it is surviving on only $250k a year.
Or In 1.5 months of a 250k income family is what I make all year.
Or 1.5 years of my wages is what is being paid for 1 single year of college. I believe you said that $800k is the total amount you are going to pay. That would absolutely destroy me. I'd have to take on that $55k as debt for total 4 year local college would mean to be paid off over what is it, 20 years?
I guess all I am asking is that you and the other $250k+ people don't talk and act like you have it rough as a middle class family when clearly you are not middle class. You are in the top 3% of the entire country as far as income. You have choices that most are never in a position to even dream about making. You are a nice person and I respect your posts and comments on a variety of threads and articles but we are not the same economic class.
My parent plus loan is only around 4%, but that damn thing has shifted from one company to another that I have a hard time keeping up on what password to use when I go to pay it. I really have to agree with a lot of your comments, even though you would consider me a "liberal", but I am very pragmatic. It is easy to be torn in this on-going conversation. The people working for me are lower middle class, some because of bad choices, most because they literally do not have the smarts to get ahead. Don't blame the school system, blame genetics, trust me you are probably a lot smarter than I am, and I consider myself an Einstein compared to some of the people working for me. It is just the way things are, and the old altar boy in me just feels that some of these people need a break. But, your hard work and dedication should not be penalized, it is just wrong. Do you see the dilemma? If this was all cut and dry we wouldn't be having this conversation.
I get that but I do believe you make your own luck or at the very least you more often than not effect change in your life.
My brother has never had more than a dollar his whole life and is always looking for a hand out(he's older than me) Just last week he asked me for 5k, the loving side me wants to give it to him but the practical side says no. He has always gotten handouts and now always expects them.
Sometimes it is hard to believe we came from the same house.
My mom catered to him and made me do everything on my own.
I would bike 5 miles at 9 yrs old to go babysit at 5am on Sat morn,
I hated her then but appreciate it now......because her handouts to my brother made him think he was owed something. I realized if I wanted something I had to go after it and work hard.
I think some people are just in a yucky situation but I also think that some people just expect handouts and that is scary. Our country will never survive if we hate on people that do well and enable people that CHOOSE not to improve.
My mom worked really hard w/4 kids, no money, went to night school so that she could improve her life. She is 66, has her own business and will be able to retire comfortably.
I just think if our society keeps going down this path it is a loose loose.
We will become a country nobody is proud of.
I guess I question too is why doesn't the government modify fed employee benefits?
Why should we the tax payer fully fund pensions and pay for their healthcare?
What if your job put you there in SF or you grew up in that area? There are still many major corporation that have there home base there. Betchel, Del Monte,Levi, and I believe Transamerica.
Some years back National Geographic had a article on Silcon Valley and people making $250,000 were homeless.
All good points. I think that part of this class problem is exec's compensation going from 40 times the standard hourly wage to 200 times. Highest paid (not he $250K) can easily reward themselves, they have the power to do so. I have women working whose husband's have left them, they are here for the excellent health benefits we provide, but they are unable to get ahead like you describe above, the scrape by. Hey, we all can't be rich, or even very well off, we just can't. But the ones who work really hard without a hand sticking out wanting more than they think they deserve, can we, the ones with the bucks, turn our backs on them, not offer a little relief?
I have no patience for people like your brother. Though far from being a "social Christian", I do try to live my life according to the teachings, I try to walk in the path of Christ, it is a moral thing for me. Hey, I'm on the path maybe 10% of the time, but I try. So, the one's who deserve help should get it, but in my mind, not the ones who do not help themselves.
Yeah .. why should we pay for healthcare of the baby boomers? Let them just die from disease and make TV shows about them instead.
US society has had an ambivalent attitude to social class, especially since WW II. Put somewhat unfairly in the mouth of a typical person, it might be summed up as
"Class doesn't exist in America. We're all middle class. I and my family will rise to be more middle class than the others."
George Orwell would have had great fun with the arc of this logic.
Most Americans who live in NYC are paying about 60% of there net income to rent or mortage. That leaves 40% left for everything else. If your making $250,000 minus 30% in taxes, your pulling in @ 175,000. 175K divided into 12 months is: 14,500/month. Your not rich, that is damn sure....but your doing better then just getting by...that is if your debt free...which I highly doubt.
And this is absolutely the way Obama wants the dialogue to go as seen here in these comments. He sets an arbitrary number as 'rich' and then everyone chimes in how 'that's not rich', 'yes that is rich', etc. etc. A sad day in the Republic for sure.
damn straight....
I think what people miss is if you make 250k you may end up paying out more and more.
I sometimes think my husband and I would be better off working for 80/90k at ABC company and get all our benefits funded Healthcare/Dental/Life Insurance- and fall below any predetermined "rich" zone and qualify for financial aid for college. We would pay less in taxes and get more from the government.
What a friggin backwards model.
listen, if you were GUARANTEED to make 250K+ for life, you would be pretty well off. But just because you might earn 250k for a few years, doesn't make you rich.
Really it's not need blind?
I thought all the awards and financial aid was based on your assets and income. Many of the colleges say they provide X amount of money based on need and financial aid is based on household worth.
Obviously, I am new to this process and just stepping through it and I am sure I will learn more but my husband has said we more than likely have to pay out of pocket.
I think a lot of those are for if you are below the poverty line, certainly not $90k a year or even the national average which I believe is $60k. I didnt qualify for jack squat apart from lower rated student loans that take forever to pay off. It ceratinly wasnt free money.
Private colleges will give you money, but not the government. Our income when I had the fun time of doing the FAFSA was well below 90K, kids qualified for just gov't loans. My son was given a scholarship to a private school, but opted for Miami of Ohio (state school) where he didn't receive any help. College costs are so high now, starting with $500 to $800 a semester for books. Good luck to you, i suppose you are just starting this whole routine.
Talbano - place yourself in a position of making 40K/year (with a Ph.D.). You need a humbling reality check: saving for retirement, having multiple children, paying for college, paying for your kids braces, and being able to pay for your health insurance are all luxuries. I hear so-called conservatives bitching and moaning day and night about entitlements and you speak of these luxuries that you have as if they were necessities (entitlements if you will) whose costs render you and your family in such desperate straits. Pretend for a moment you and your husband make 40K/year, and consider how much harder living would be. Shame on you for your greed - 250K/yr is quite rich indeed.
Thanks but I do not need you telling me what I need.
As I started with nothing and have worked very hard for everything I have, so I do not feel guilty at all.
Why is that such a shame to work hard and be able to provide for your family? Give me a frickin break.
I am so sick and tired of listening to people like you sit there and preach about what's right, what's wrong.
It's laughable -
If you have a PHD then why don't you have a better paying job? Maybe by choice, I don't know and really don't care.
Funding retirement retirement, HC, braces and college are not luxuries - They are priorities.
You have an odd sense of what luxuries are. I remember the days where I didn't have more than 5 dollars.....so please know of the subject in which you choose to speak of.
If you are making 40k with a PHD and have a couple of kids than that is too bad. If I had a PHD and was making 40K I would be upset.
If you have multiple kids and are making 40k then you are not paying taxes and are probably getting Healthcare, braces and college probably for free or next to nothing.
It also doesn't mean that I should feel compelled to offer up my hard earned money to be wastefully spent by our government.
I am a firm believer everyone for the most part is in charge of their own destiny and if you don't like your situation then change it.
Don't preach to me about greed. You have know idea of who I am and I do not apologize for wanting to provide my kids a nice life.......That is so greedy I can't even stand it. I should be ashamed.
Living responsible, providing for my family......oh it's a disgrace.
The reality is more people DECIDE to do less and want to get more and It's old.
Everything is relative, 250k may seems rich to you but I would rather pay for my kids college than fund some government employees 100% pension. Call me crazy.
This discussion is precisely why the article talks about the lack of agreement on just what constitutes "rich" in this country. I do not live in NYC but I assure you $250,000 in annual income does not constitute rich in NYC. Your level of income and your level of "well off" are relative to the cost of living where ever you reside.
I've got it! I've got it! First Comrade Obama (FCO) could decide where the "rich" threshold was depending on where you live! Maybe $400K in NY, $100K in SD. Think of the possibilities! Make the limit $1M in Detroit, to entice people to move there. Make the limit $10K in Red States, so that the people will move to Blue States where their votes won't count, while everyone left in the Red States is on welfare, so the Red States turn Blue! What brilliance! All Praise FCO!
I get your point Paul. Still I take issue w/ it. Who are you (and for that matter who is anybody) to define what someone should make or be allowed to make. Most individuals on this path implicitly assume that someone else's ox will get gored while they themselves can gather a rather sanctimonious and peaceful moment while condemning the choices of others.
The really relevant concept to keep in mind is that EVERYONE in America is supposed to be middle class.
With comments like yours, I'm thinking you must have the United States of America confused with some other country. The Founding Fathers were not Socialists and no where in the Constitution will you find any reference to what you are describing. What you will find is reference to an opportunity for all Americans to work and to retain the fruits of their labor without undo concern for excessive taxation by government. You may have been reading Marx.
Ta hell with it. Let's cut taxes on the rich. Let's go to war and not pay for it. While were at it let's smoke em outta their caves. I know they have countless weapons of mass destruction. Drill baby. Hopey changey thing is stupid. Roll baby roll. Let's also kill hundreds of thousands of people. Let the horses run. V8 motor getting 8 miles to the gallon. Ride the lightning lets get it on.
I don't care where you live. If $250K per year is not well off you are living in the same dreamworld that government spending has gotten us to.
Anybody that cannot live well on those numbers, just like government, has a spending problem, not a revenue problem.
Try living on $75K per year like the average american family.
It does not matter that one's housing costs are higher.
Even if they are 5X one still has 10X the disposable income.
Bozer, I'm a lifelong Republican - a real Republican, in the tradition of Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and Nelson Rockefeller.
Given your examples, some of us might characterise your affinities as an Establishment supporter. Which if that is what you like, your choice.
Tea Partiers aren't libertarians...they're Christian fundamentalists. Witness Delaware.
what a pathetic nation of whiners.
Perusing the arguments above, one can readily see why "socialism" just doesn't work.
Let me add some wrinkle to all these comments. It is not just how much money you (or the family) makes, but how much effort you put in to make it and how the government / regulations distort the picture. As an example, take a physician / Ph.D. couple who might be in the 300K camp (when they are already in their 30's) after perhaps 10 years of college, hard work, postponing other worldly pleasures (I know of many such kids who forgo dating, postpone marriage, children etc.). Is that too much compared to a real estate person walking away with 6% (well, I know how that gets split - so bear with me) of the housing price regardless of how much the house costs, the bankers who end up with all the bounties of the endless refinancing, the title lawyers who make money a number of times on the same property --- all thanks to our government / regulations distorting the economic picture. Why do we have so many lawyers in this country? Why the one previous group which used to the in the medical field a lot has moved to law, MBA etc.? And what kind of effect all these going to have on the country (and we already know that. In countries like Japan, Korea, engineers are respected and paid a lot. here they are equated to the sanitary engineers!)? We need some regulations to function as a society, but the purpose should be to remove such distortions and not introduce more.
Also, there is nothing wrong in having a progressive tax (what ever the rates are) since a person earning more is probably using the common resources much more (instead of having a 50 ft. road in front of the house, perhaps 300 ft, of road or wanting an air strip for their toy). But why should the progressivity of the tax stop at 375K? Is it because the folks who run the country are multimillionaires? It was a joke that Bush came up with the temporary - 8 year (?) special estate tax rule. perhaps he knew many of his well wishers were supposed to take off during that time!
One thought that kept coming up while reading all the comments.... since when did being called "rich" be an evil negative thing?
I hear a lot of reasons (some I do agree with) on why $250k might not be rich. However I have to ask, why are people so against being labeled rich when that is the goal? To make as much money as possible?
You're on to the deception. Knowing a lot of small business owners, none of them (generally) minded paying the taxes that were justly due from their success, as long as they had the perception that they were not being disadvantaged.
The "American Dream" is gone. In short it was about hard work (at school and in industry), education, loyalty, frugality, and family.It disappeared in the 60's, when personal pleasure and greed became the overriding objective for Americans. Hence the rich of today who refuse to contribute to the well being of society.
More than people succumbing to the seductive dark side forces, fxmaven, it was a cultural turning in 1963 when they saw as graphically as possible that the good guys weren't going to survive the onslaught of the money masters. As I remember it, there was a sea change in public and private attitudes after the Kennedy murder - and given the last gasp of the responsible American Dream going out with his last gasp, people turned to the alternatives. The idealism of the country also died that day.
Sure. I agree, see my earlier post. From my experience, only former communist countries of eastern europe still remember totalitarianism, and insist on preserving their freedoms.
I am looking at retirement in a few years; have had my life's savings and investments seriously depleted in the last few years because of the financial mess that many "well-off" Americans now find themselves facing. Retirement has been moved back at least five years. Played by "the rules", saved and invested for my retirement. Am I to be considered wealthy at this point in my financial life?
The government will tell you if you're wealthy. If you are, they will take care of that problem.
>>A family earning $250,000 in a high-cost location like Manhattan, for example, probably doesn't consider themselves rich.<<
Many of the comments in this discussion focus on the "family earning $250,000 in a high-cost location like Manhattan" referred to in the Reuters' article and debate what quality of life such a family income in such a location entails. As the Reuters' article illustrates, there are many factors besides annual income that serve to identify one's relative standing in the community (occupation, security of status, friends and associates and lifestyle being among the factors that could be mentioned).
Wow. Lots of heat, not much light. Lots of decent people on this thread bashing each other. Almost all of the comments contain some truth.
Right. Class warfare is an excellent draw for those who think "rich" is somebody else and somebody promises to "get me some". In the UK, this has been the main staple of political divisiveness since WW II - and it persists as it plays well to the base of certain parties.
Because UK is a class society, like USA, with centuries old divisions and prejudices. Continental Europe has a fairly balanced, and successful social model, that everyone values and is happy to pay for, to maintain a very high standard of economic, political and cultural life.
Actually, at one time, fxmaven, fighting in a foreign war for the nobility could get you moved out of serf class and upward as there was a sharing level, depending on the greediness of the Lord, of the spoils, the purchase/return price of the prisoners if you got any good ones, and a general chance to get a dirt-level title out of it if you survived.
Continental Europe does not have a balanced social model, Scandinavia does. Continental Europe has a cradle-to-grave employment model with which it bought social peace after the horrors of WW II, precipitated by German unemployment, 1918-1938. That social model is in the process of falling to pieces as GDP growth moves to Asia and other emerging markets, and will likely lead in the same direction as the Euro maintains an artificial level of buying power for the European periphery. People forget that Nazi is a contraction of National SOCIALISM, in which "capitalists" were vilified, and Jews, associated with banking and better off than most, became easy targets. The Euro is doomed.
bollocks. France, Germany,Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Czech Republic, Poland, Austria all have strong economies.
Whatever USA earned financially through cheaper oil and foreign contributions in Desert Storm was lost 10X over in Iraqi Freedom.
I do agree for the majority of Americans, military service is their best career option, when working at McDonalds is the only alternative. The problem comes, when the State can't pay them or pay for wars anymore.
True. The countries you listed are doing pretty well. How does that prevent the Euro from being abandoned if Greece, Spain, Portugal, and Italy cannot recovery from their astronomical unemployment at current Euro levels -- which they won't. If you re-define the Euro as "not needing them, they'll be out" [along with Latvia & Lithuania, also in the 17-20% unemployment club] then we're just talking semantics.
I've lived over 20 years outside the U.S., most of it in Europe, and I agree with you, hence my comments, elsewhere on this thread, regarding Vietnam, Iraq I, Iraq II and Afghanistan. Maybe you have a different perspective from a distance, away from all the patriotic noise.
Where's this "me too" train taking us? I, as well, haven't lived in the US for over 20 years. It gives us a larger perspective if we live locally, but most of my former colleagues in the UK tended to live in communities of similar ex-pats, so little adaptation was needed or made. I lived in the shires, small village... and have done similarly in the other countries. In doing so, one is exposed to more local views of the US's actions and the local rationales for policies that may seem daft to someone in Omaha.
The other night Obama said that we have to raise taxes on people who make $250,000 or more because "we can't afford to give people money who don't need it." Where did he get the concept that it is appropriate for him or anyone to judge what we DESERVE TO KEEP out of the money we EARN? Who is he or any of us to say how much someone NEEDS out of what they EARN. Remember: "from each acording to their ability to each according to their need." Is that what we have become?
"Obama also said the middle class deserves handouts.":
He didn't say anything like that. The top 3% earners in this country who have over $250K TAXABLE income have been getting Bush tax cuts to the tune of up to $100K or so. Is that not a handout??? The truth is that the rich are getting tax free income that is not available to middle class. People who have over $250K TAXABLE income have another $250K or more of tax free income and that is not how it is supposed to be.
While 250k for a household is definitely not rich (my "household income" not personal is pretty close to that mark), that being said I think resetting taxes to pre-Bush levels is fair.
in my senior center, half the people are living solely on social security. War vets are lucky enough to get very inexpensive health care. Anyone on Medicare has lots of co pays, out-of-pockets, plus deductibles and premiums paid out of social security checks. For many the one meal a day, weekdays for $1.50 is the ONLY meal of the day and many take half of it home. So don't give that bull about everyone being middle class. Get out and look around one of these days.
Certainly taxes are going to have to go up. It seems to me that we should have a progressive tax rates all the way up and get rid of the alternative minimum, which has to be patched every year to keep greater and greater segments of the very middle class from being affected by a tax that was designed to keep the very rich from paying no tax at all. Perhaps we should move towards a flat tax and away from deductions and social engineering via tax policy that make it easier for the ultra rich to avoid taxes in the first place. And tax policy is what we are not discussing while we are bickering about how much income it takes to be rich.
Paying more than 20% of what you earn (State and Federal - all in) is unfair and creates a myriad of distortions. Billy Bob from Nowhereville Iowa and Frugal Fred from Cheapskate Indiana HAVE no clue what it costs to live in a coastal area. Asking one citizen to pay more freight because they are more productive or live in a higher cost area is simply unconstitutional and would make the founding fathers heads spin.
Fine. Let's eliminate taxes, because no one can agree on a fair taxation schedule, and a basic social welfare system to prevent hunger, starvation, and an equitable education system.
fxmaven, "eliminate the taxes". Good idea.
Thats a good point if its TAXABLE income and not total. Because the tax deductions are ridiculous the more you make and the more sources you have.
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Rock and Roll fans & Romance Book Lovers you must check out Roni Loren's newest novella, Wanderlust! It is a fun, sexy romp but it does deal with some heavy subject matters. Overall, Roni's stories are wonderful! Wanderlust was released on July 19, 2016 from InterMix/Penguin. Want to know my thoughts? Check out my review after this post or by clicking here.
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Setup: Aubrey is at a strip club with the band. She's a reporter and is following them around, but Lex is being difficult. So he made her a bet that he assumed he'd win. If Aubrey won, she'd get interview time with him. But the other band members tagged on another part of the bet—loser has to do a striptease for the other.
Lex narrowed his eyes at Aubrey, still stunned that she had won. He could accept that maybe she knew Van Halen—who didn't? But, there was no way this chick listened to old-school Nine Inch Nails or eighties hair metal. He'd bet all his money on that.
She lifted her hair off her neck and piled it on top of her head to fan herself before letting it fall back around her in a dark flood. Lex flexed his fingers, wondering what it'd be like to run his fingers through it—or wrap it around his hand when he . . . He shook the image from his head before his blood flowed too far south.
"No, you can't let him out of the bet," Jared complained.
"Really, I don't need that," Aubrey said quickly.
Her posture shifted, her edge of nerves almost a taste in the air, and Lex's lips curled into a grin. "Oh, no need to let me off the hook. I don't punk out on a bet. You'll get your show."
A fleeting expression of panic skittered across her face, but she quickly covered it and grabbed for her drink. She was probably wishing she had alcohol in it now. Lex knew that Jared had intended for the bet to humiliate him, but this was going to embarrass Aubrey much more. He was used to being the center of attention. Performing on stage in front of people was his lifeblood. Aubrey, on the other hand, lived in a safe, neat world. She was probably used to men who observed the personal space rule, men who waited until the third date for a chaste kiss. Men who would never dare push her boundaries. Lex rose and swilled his beer.
Aubrey lifted her palms. "Seriously, Lex, I don't want you to do this. We need to keep things professional."
Her tongue darted out and swiped at her lip. Her knuckles were white against her drink. His gaze traveled to the flush creeping up her neck, and a slow smile spread across his mouth. Well, would you look at that. Little Miss Reporter was lying through her pretty white teeth.
She wasn't protesting because of professionalism. He may not know her well yet, but he was an expert at recognizing the signs she was inadvertently throwing his way. Ms. Bordelon was terrified for the best possible reason—she feared her physical reaction to him. He remembered distinctly how she had quivered beneath him when he had touched her onstage, the look in her eyes when he'd brushed his lips against hers.
Oh, this was going to be fun. "Don't worry, I'll still respect you in the morning. Your professional status will be intact. Just remember, you can't touch the stripper. It's against the rules."
She pulled her expression into one of utter boredom. "I'll try to restrain myself."
He laughed and then gripped the sides of her chair to pivot her away from the table to face him. He let his gaze slide over her from her head to her feet, taking his time, wishing he'd won the bet so he could watch her dance for him. She crossed her legs and folded her arms over her chest, pinning him with her glare.
Damn, she was cute when she was pissed.
A new song pounded through the club, and he began to sing the lyrics to her as he circled her chair and placed his hands on her shoulders. Her muscles stiffened under his touch. He bent his head next to her ear, the honey citrus scent of her hair cutting through the smoke and alcohol of the bar. "You're going to have to relax a little or you're not going to be able to enjoy this."
He grabbed the collar of her black blazer and slipped it off her shoulders, forcing her to unfurl her arms. She allowed him to take off the jacket, revealing her fitted green tank top underneath. He let his eyes linger a moment on her neckline.
"That's better," he said. "I don't want you getting too hot."
"I thought you were the one who was supposed to take clothes off, not me."
He stepped in front of her and unfastened the top button on his shirt. "As you wish."
Her gaze fell to his chest, and she bit her lip as the flush on her throat crept up to her cheeks. He raised an eyebrow. Well, well, Ms. Bordelon. A wave of satisfaction moved through him. Maybe Jared's plan wasn't so ridiculous after all. Lex hadn't believed that Aubrey would jump into bed with any of them. She had scruples, thank you very much. But the look on her face now was unmistakable. He'd been around enough women to recognize it. Desire, pure and simple. She may think he's a jerk, she may hate him personally, but on some level, she wanted him.
The corners of his mouth tipped into a wicked smile. Maybe he could solve two problems at once. If he could get her in bed, not only could he force her to drop the story, but he could exorcise the ridiculous obsession to touch her that had been plaguing him since the body shot. Plus, God knew if any girl was in need of a wild, no strings romp in the sack, it was this one. He pulled open another button.
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Restaurant critic Aubrey Bordelon is never at a loss for words to describe her meals in the fancy restaurants of New Orleans. But after her magazine's high-profile music reporter falls ill, she finds herself out of her element and in a sea of screaming fans awaiting Wanderlust's lead singer, Lex Logan. The sound of his voice gives her goosebumps, and the stage presence of the hard-bodied rock star takes her breath away. So when he pulls her onstage for a sexy stunt, she knows she's in real trouble.
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Giants Are Mean to Cub Teenagers
The Giants combined two doubles, three singles, five walks, and an error to score seven runs in the first two innings, cruising to a 7-1 victory over the Cubs in AZ Instructional League action this afternoon at Indian School Park Field #2 in Scottsdale.
LHP Christopher Pieters (signed as a 16-year old out of Curacao during the 2011 International Signing Period for a reported $350K) got the start for the Cubs, and could not throw strikes (33 pitches – only 11 strikes), allowing three runs on three walks and two hits (a single and a double) in the 1st inning.
RHP Alexander Santana (signed as a 16-year old out of the Dominican Republic in 2010) wasn't any better in the 2nd inning, allowing four runs (three earned) on three hits (two singles and a double) and two walks while throwing 34 pitches (only 16 strikes).
The other four Cub pitchers who took the hill today fared much better, throwing six innings of three-hit shutout ball with no walks and six strikeouts, but by that time the Giants had what proved to be an insurmountable lead.
The Cubs offense was mostly dormant, scoring their only run in the top of the 4th inning without the benefit of a hit.
Rubi Silva drew a lead-off walk and moved up to 2nd base when Dan Vogelbach reached base on a error, advanced to 3rd on a double play, and then scored on a Wild Pitch.
The Cubs are missing a number of players who started the AZIL schedule on the Active List, as 2011 1st round draft pick SS Javier Baez, 1B Rock Shoulders, OF Taiwan Easterling, 3B-1B Dustin Geiger, and C Rafael Lopez are out of action.
Easterling, Geiger, and Lopez suffered injuries (either groin, quad, hamstring, or calf) while running the bases and/or sliding last week, Shoulder suffered a torn meniscus in a base-running drill two days prior to AZIL Opening Day, and Baez has been shut-down with a sore arm for more than a week (exact nature and extent of his injury is unknown at this time).
Here is the abridged box score (Cubs players only):
1. Zeke DeVoss, 2B: 0-4 (6-3, K, 5-3, K)
2a. Danny Lockhart, SS: 0-2 (6-3, 4-3, BB)
2b. Carlos Penalver, SS: 0-1 (F-7)
3. Rubi Silva, DH #1: 0-3 (K, BB, 4-3, K, R)
4. Dan Volgelbach, 1B: 1-4 (F-8, E-3, F-8, 2B)
5. Jeimer Candelario, 3B: 0-3 (6-3, 1-6-3 DP, P-2, BB)
6. Yaniel Cabezas, DH #2: 2-3 (1B, F-7, 1B, BB)
7a. Mark Malave, C: 0-1 (BB, E-4)
7b. Micah Gibbs, C: 0-1 (F-7)
8. Shawon Dunston, Jr, LF: 0-3 (F-7, L-3 DP, P-5)
9a. Jeffrey Baez, CF: 0-2 (5-3, P-2)
9b. Trey Martin, CF: 0-1 (F-9)
10. Garrett Schlecht, RF: 2-3 (1B, 4-3, 1B)
1. Christopher Pieters: 1.0 IP, 2 H, 3 R (3 ER), 3 BB, 0 K, 33 pitches (11 strikes), 1/2 GO/FO
2. Alexander Santana: 1.0, 3 H, 4 R (3 ER), 2 BB, 1 K, 34 pitches (16 strikes), 1/1 GO/FO
3. Starling Peralta: 2.1 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K, 1 WP, 39 pitches (25 strikes), 0/5 GO/FO
4. Tayler Scott: 1.2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K, 1 GIDP, 10 pitches (9 strikes), 3/1 GO/FO
5. Jose Arias: 1.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K, 16 pitches (10 strikes), 0/1 GO/FO
6. Andrew McKirahan: 1.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K, 8 pitches (5 strikes), 1/1 GO/FO
SS Danny Lockhart - E-6 (throwing error allowed batter to reach base safely – eventually scored unearned run)
Mark Malave: 0-2 CS
WEATHER: Sunny with temperatures in the 80's
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Kyler Burke seems to have some potential on the mound. Do the Cubs have to make a decision on adding him to the 40 man roster this offseason? What direction do you think they take going forward with him? Awesome stuff thanks AziPhil.
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I think if the Cubs really think Burke can be a starter, they should probably take the risk of adding him to the 40 man. There's still a lot of flotsam on there.
Would be cool if we had a GM to make these decisions.
dude says the writing is on the wall for Theo to leave Red Sox
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Interesting that they're deflecting some responsibility for the bad FA signings. I wonder how much of that is real and how much is them trying to build Theo's trade value.
Team USA numbers
Jackson hit .400 (10-for-25) with HR 2 2b 6r 3rbi 3bb sb. Beliveau 2g - 3ip 2h 0r 1bb 6k. Australia & Venezuela also advanced.
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came from Peoria Chiefs tweet...quick look at the boxscores don't show a Jackson SB, so I'm sure yours is right.
More Theo talk
Red Sox allegedly putting manager search on hold until Epstein issue resolves itself.
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Oh fun. Hopefully this is resolved soon.
Mesa releases a bunch of documents
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Allegedly White Sox conisdered Konerko as player/manager before hiring Ventura.
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Does KW get a bonus for making odd decisions?
Keith law tweet
Cubs RHP Dillon Maples 89-92 today in instructs with poor command.
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from Olney
Current list of Baltimore GM candidates: Thad Levine, Josh Byrnes, J.P. Ricciardi, Tony LaCava, Gerry Hunsicker, Dan Jennings, maybe more.
from Will Carroll
Hearing one org is close to a decision on their GM, hope to name by the LCS/WS gap.
and Arte says not necessarily looking for a GM with past experience, does imply that he's starting to listen to the analytical voices in the organization and could be part of the purge.
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Not a shock at all, really. It was only his 2nd appearance in instructs and I would wager that the Cubs are making some fairly substantial changes to his delivery. This usually causes an initial drop in velocity as the player adjusts and retrains his muscles. I just want him healthy and with a reworked delivery next spring.
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Reply fail to Rob G.'s blurb about Maples.
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You should be able to edit your comments unless someone replies to it.
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I don't think you can move them, which is what he would have needed to do.
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he could have copied it, deleted the old one I believe and replied correctly.
also, not a big deal at all.
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He could have edited his original comment rather than replying to it. Not a big deal, just trying to be helpful.
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Nice thing about the slow-paced Epstein affair, you get to read around a little bit. I'm beginning to like this guy Nick Cafardo from the Boston Globe. Funny little piece today, allegedly originating from a Starbucks near Wrigley.
Cafardo also wrote this interesting longer article two days ago, which included, among other nuggets, an unsolicited testimonial by Omar Minaya for Ryne Sandberg.
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some team's fans get to be excited about people who play the game...we're in offseason 3-in-a-row of suit hunt. awesome.
managers, hitting/pitching coaches, and GMs...oh my...which is going to fix the cubs this season?
i think the team needs a new traveling secretary...then the wins will roll in.
it'll be nice to be excited about something besides garza one day...maybe this offseason...maybe.
well, kerry wood for cheap was pretty cool...but like marlon byrd coming relatively cheap, role players only fill roles...they don't carry, they support.
<i>traveling secretary</i>
George Costanza might be available.
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george costanza might also be an improvement.
Epstein to Cubs
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I just hope we're not losing anyone too valuable as compensation.
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same...otherwise, sweet.
rickets hiring someone that isn't going to let "the rickets family" run the team's roster/moves is #1 on my priority list. theo doesn't seem to be the hired lapdog type.
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article says that's part of the hold up but should be resolved soon
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Just wondering, who do you think would be fair compensation for Epstein? I have no idea how these things are done.
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hopefully, not carpenter, b.jackson, or cashner...or r.wells...
hell, i'd rather mcnutty than any of those 4, even if mcnutty projects higher than r.wells...i just feel the cubs actually need r.wells. i could understand putting mcnutt in the list of "hope he doesn't go" though.
wouldn't like to see vitters or golden go, but i'd consider it a lesser of many evils...
it'd be nice if it's even less than any of these options.
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Has a GM ever been traded for a player? I think it's borderline crazy to trade ANYONE for a GM, let alone some actual talent.
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fun part is Epstein gets to trade for himself...
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agreed...i hope it doesn't cost much, but people are predicting it could hurt.
no idea how to handicap the situation, but managers have been traded in the past for decent prospects and mlb-ready young talent.
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And for MLB players... it will be precedent setting if it does happen.
Recent comments
rain delay...thanks obama.
Thanks again Phil. We actually were in Mesa and drove around. Hopefully, I am back for some Fall League. If not I have all of spring training (like the smart people who move here!)
What Rob G said. I can't speak for Piittsburgh, but the other end of the state has had absolute crap weather for two days. Perfect day to take it easy.
tarp came off 10 minutes ago...let's do this.
He will not pitch another game for Cubs
/Unless injury in playoffs
Today is bullpen day
10/450 if they win WS
Carrie Muskat [email protected]
Even though Hammel is missing start, don't assume he'll not be on #Cubs postseason roster. Maddon says elbow problem isn't that bad
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Maddon on #Cubs postseason rotation: "I don't want to announce anything. We haven't talked to anybody yet"
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Maddon hopes Soler can take BP in Cincy, play in sim game Tue. "All of that should give us some kind of indication of where he's at"
tarp on the field 40 minutes before gametime...meh.
travel day + rain in Pittsburgh. Why risk injury?
tim federowicz has been freed to play with his AAA teammates.
The lineup tonight....what the hell. Unless all the players are completely exhausted, this seems like overkill to me. They have 4 days off after Sunday.
Tommy Nance seems like quite an Indy league find
watching heyward attempt to hit a fastball is alarming. he's doing bad things with stuff he should be nailing...weak popups, grounders, late swing fouls...
it's going to be next to impossible to do worse than this season, but hopefully he can at least hit a fastball with authority next year.
He's an incredible defender, base-runner and takes great AB's. A .265 BABIP is highly likely to improve next year. That being said, his power numbers are down too which is certainly concerning so I'd certainly hedge my bets with him next year, but it would be surprising if this is his new normal.


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Great game and I enjoyed it very much, is there a date for the next episode ?
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I want the next episode as well since i cant progress on the pc version for some unknown reason
Since the game is almost unplayable due to framrate issues on Ipad. So the best thing would be never.
Im playing on an ipad 2 and it is unplayable even if you restart the ipad. The frame lockups is ridicules completely unplayable when you try to swipe a motion and the game locksup for 2-5sec
Ah, Weird. Usually, they get it out for all models, so they can get money from everyone, then it's unplayable for most people, and only the last model (Iphone or Ipad) can play it in an "ok" way.
I actually don't have an Ipad, there's no "save power" mode ? Like on laptops ?
But they Telltale's support for IOS (while making pretty decent sales out of it ...) is by far the worst I've seen on the appstore.
No, I have restarted the ipad to free the most amount of memory but I still get lockups in framerate when scenes changes fast.
I'm running Skyrim on Very High on my Laptop.
And I still have lockups when scene changes fast in JP the game ... Maybe it's just the game you know ..You're sure you're not multi tasking or something ?


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Suns coach Earl Watson and the Suns teenagers talks at training camp in Flagstaff.
Highlights from the Suns' second training camp day in Flagstaff.
Suns coach Earl Watson and players Eric Bledsoe and Jared Dudley talk after a training camp practice in Flagstaff.
Highlights from the Phoenix Suns' training camp at NAU on Tuesday, Sept. 27. Video: Paul Coro/azcentral sports
Phoenix Suns T.J. Warren speaks to azcentral sports pro-sports editor Jay Dieffenbach about Warren's rehab and how the young players are getting involved. Tom Tingle/azcentral sports
Phoenix Suns Insider Paul Coro sums up Suns Media Day 2016 and looks forward to upcoming camp and the 2016-2017 season. Video: Tom Tingle/azcentral sports
Phoenix Suns General Manager Ryan McDonough speaks at Suns Media Day 2016. Video: Tom Tingle/azcentral sports
Suns Tyler Ulis speaks with Jay Dieffenbach of azcentral sports at Suns Media Day. Tom Tingle/azcentral sports
Suns Marquese Chriss speaks with Jay Dieffenbach of azcentral sports at Suns Media Day 2016. Video: Tom Tingle/azcentral sports
Hosted by head coach Earl Watson, who says the Suns "embrace and celebrate our youth." Video: Phoenix Suns
Suns fan favorite Jared Dudley gave away 120 free No. 3 jerseys to fans at the Talking Stick Resort Arena. Some arrived as early as 4 a.m. Video: azcentral sports Wochit
Former Suns forward Jared Dudley is welcomed back to the Suns during a press conference at Talking Stick Resort Arena, Friday, July 8, 2016. Dudley spent five seasons with the Suns from 2008-2013. Tom Tingle/azcentral sports
Suns Insider Paul Coro discusses Jared Dudley's return to Phoenix with the former Suns player after his introductory press conference on Friday. Video by Tom Tingle/azcentral sports.
Leandro Barbosa is back with the Suns for his third stint. He goes 1-on-1 with azcentral sports' Paul Coro. Video: David Wallace/azcentral sports
Leandro Barbosa speaks at a news conference with Suns general manager Ryan McDonough and Suns head coach Earl Watson. Video: David Wallace/azcentral sports
Phoenix Suns Insider, Paul Coro, catches up with guard Devin Booker at the conclusion of the season. Cheryl Evans/azcentral sports
Matthew Bain, azcentral sports, talks with Phoenix Suns general manager, Ryan McDonough, about the teams recent draft picks. Video: Cheryl Evans/azcentral sports
The Suns top pick, Dragan Bender, was introduced by the Suns during a news conference in Phoenix on Friday. Video: Cheryl Evans/azcentral sports
Phoenix Suns welcome forward Marquese Chriss during a press conference at Talking Stick Resort in Phoenix on June 24, 2016. Video: Cheryl Evans/azcentral sports
The Suns' second-round NBA draft pick Tyler Ulis is the fifth ex-Kentucky guard on the Suns roster. Video: Cheryl Evans/azcentral sports
Paul Coro gives insight into the Suns taking Dragan Bender, Marquese Chriss and Tyler Ulis in the 2016 NBA draft. Video by Patrick Breen/azcentral.com
Suns Managing Partner Robert Sarver talks 1-on-1 with Paul Coro about the state of the franchise, Sarver's open letter to Suns' fans and the status of GM Ryan McDonough. Video: azcentral sports
- Earl Watson, young Suns on training camp
- Highlights from second day of Phoenix Suns training camp
- Checking in on the Suns at training camp in Flagstaff
- Phoenix Suns training camp practice at NAU
- Suns' T.J. Warren speaks at Media Day
- Suns Insider Paul Coro breaks down Suns Media Day
- Suns General Manager Ryan McDonough at Suns Media Day
- Suns guard Tyler Ulis interview at Media Day
- Suns rookie Marquese Chriss talks at Suns Media Day
- Suns 'embrace youth' in WeArePHX 'Momentum' video
- Fans turn out for free Jared Dudley jerseys
- Jared Dudley is welcomed back to the Phoenix Suns
- Paul Coro one on one with Jared Dudley
- Leandro Barbosa 1-on-1 with Paul Coro
- Leandro Barbosa back with the Suns for third stint
- From April 14, 2016: 1-in-1 with Devin Booker
- 1-on-1 with Suns GM Ryan McDonough
- Dragan Bender introduced by Phoenix Suns
- Suns welcome forward Marquese Chriss
- Suns introduce second-round pick Tyler Ulis
- Paul Coro gives analysis on Suns draft
- Robert Sarver interview: 1-on-1 with Phoenix Suns owner
The Suns did not lose by 40 points again on Thursday night but, saying that is an improvement is like saying this season is better than the inaugural Suns team's 16-66 campaign.
It is all relative.
Getting dominated for most of Thursday's 116-106 home loss to another bottom-four team, Brooklyn, is arguably as bad as Monday's third-worst rout in franchise history to a good Clippers team in Los Angeles.
The latest embarrassing Suns defeat was also historic because it gave Phoenix a 13-game losing streak, matching the franchise's single-season record from 1996. That skid ended with a home win against the Nets. Not this time, when the Suns also set a franchise record with eight consecutive home losses.
"It's like boxing," said Suns reserve power forward Mirza Teletovic, who tallied 30 points and 11 rebounds against his former team. "Somebody beats you up pretty bad. Next fight, you come kind of with more caution and you don't have the same confidence and you kind of duck more."
BOX SCORE: Nets 116, Suns 106
The Suns can still tie the franchise record for an overall losing streak Saturday against Memphis because that 1996-97 Suns team opened the season 0-13 and lost the previous season's finale for 14 in a row.
For all the brush fires and dumpster fires of the season, even the short-handed Suns had a viable chance to extinguish this losing streak's flame against a 15-42 Nets team. Brooklyn had just bought out Joe Johnson's contract earlier Thursday, had not won a road game since Jan. 2 and boasted the NBA's second-lowest scoring offense.
The Nets average 96.6 points but had scored 90 after three quarters, much of that coming easily on 48 points in the paint and 20 on free throws. With former Suns player Sean Marks on hand in his first week as Nets general manager, Brooklyn led by as many as 25 points in the fourth quarter before a futile Suns rally lowered this one's margin of defeat.
"We have to allow them to try to find a way to be aggressive but, at the same time, we have to be there to pick them up when they don't succeed or are not efficient," Suns interim head coach Earl Watson said. "We also want to make sure that our energy and effort is the same. Our energy wasn't there."
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From midway through the second quarter of Monday's loss to the Clippers to halftime Thursday, the Suns were outscored by 57 points (151-94) over 54 minutes of play. The Suns were not getting routed Thursday until the first half's final 2:09, when the Nets scored 14 unanswered points, with the first six coming on free throws.
"We just came out with fantastic energy and we never really wavered," Nets center Brook Lopez said.
For those more interested in the Suns' draft-lottery chances at this point, losing to the Nets could eventually prove beneficial because Brooklyn is now two games better than the Suns (14-44). The Suns have the NBA's third-worst record after losing 28 of their past 30 games, making them easily the NBA's worst team since mid-December.
The Suns got Tyson Chandler back to have both centers, including Alex Len on a right ankle he felt like he was dragging, for the first time since the All-Star break. It still could not help deliver a first win for Watson, who is now 0-9 since the firing of Jeff Hornacek. That is the worst coaching start in Suns history.
"Our concentration wasn't there," Len said. "We weren't focused. Sometimes, it was like three guys working and two guys were out of it."
MORE: John Jenkins' prayer answered by Suns
Teletovic's 30 points were four off his career high, but he did not have enough company with the Nets shooting 49 percent and making 34 free throws, one off a Suns-opponent season high.
Suns rookie guard Devin Booker had become the top scoring option amid the absence of the season's top four scorers. A combination of a rookie wall and intensified scouting focus has put him at 11 of 42 from the field over the four games since the All-Star break. The Suns committed another 21 turnovers, worsening their 29th-ranked average of 16.9 per game.
Starting power forward Kris Humphries, who joined the Suns a week ago, missed all nine of his shots but had 10 rebounds.
Suns fans might enjoy watching a guard named Bogdanovic light it up someday, but Bogdan Bogdanovic, their 2014 first-round pick, remains in Europe. The Nets' Bojan Boganovic, getting his first start since Jan. 8 with Johnson gone, had 20 of his season-high 24 points in the first half. The Nets put seven scorers in double figures.
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Key player: Nets power forward Thaddeus Young was brilliant in many phases for 18 points, eight rebounds, seven steals, three assists and three blocks.
Key moment: The Suns were trailing 52-45 before allowing the Nets to score the final 14 points of the first half over a stretch of 2:09.
Key number: 13, Suns losing streak to match a single-season record.
View from press row: For as bad as things turned Thursday night at Talking Stick Resort Arena, the Suns never heard any resounding boos from fans for losing at home to a team with nearly as many losses this season. Apathy is worse than anger. That sort of effort has become expected and the fans in a sparse crowd were fine with it for the sake of draft-lottery chances.


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Spring Babies – See How the New Additions to the El Paso Zoo Have Grown
Just this spring, the El Paso Zoo welcomed many new babies of several species. We checked back with the zoo this August for a look at how they've grown!
Just this spring, the El Paso Zoo welcomed many new babies of several species. We checked back with the zoo this August for a look at how they've grown!
Give us a break and break us off a piece of that Kit Kat bar while you watch this adorable video where a father dupes his little girl into eating her vegetables.
There are a lot of deceptively tough stuff in this world. Diving, sticking on a price tag, even just being a cute little pup can be hard. You know what else can be super challenging? Blowing out birthday candles.
Some dogs enjoy taking baths and others run around like crazy in anger of being clean, This video is too much cuteness!
I adore this fireman. He is already a hero for rushing into dangerous situations but now crazy cat ladies will look at him like an superhero!
These adorable kids are as cute as their jokes!
There are certain times when we just need a hug. You know-- when we thought Twinkies were going extinct or after the 'Game of Thrones' 'Red Wedding' episode, AKA hard-hitting stuff.
Running into a full-grown moose in real life would be terrifying at worst, disconcerting at best. Running into a tiny baby moose, on the other hand, would be adorable. Who knew? Now you know. Enjoy these pictures of little moose calves.
Sometimes, riding shotgun isn't good enough.
A week after his mother, Lorna Colbert passed away, Stephen Colbert returned to his show to share stories from the wonderful life his mother lived. One of the sweetest things I have ever seen.
This car was purring like a kitten.
I am terrified of babies and these pictures explain why.


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MM took out about 10,000 shares in stopsin rapid succession. He should bereloaded and ready to let it go back up
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Android: Netrunner is an asymmetrical Living Card Game for two players. Set in the cyberpunk future of Android and Infiltration, the game pits a mega corporation and its massive resources against the subversive talents of lone runners.
Corporations seek to score agendas by advancing them. Doing so takes time and credits. To buy the time and earn the credits they need, they must secure their servers and data forts with "ice". These security programs come in different varieties, from simple barriers, to code gates and aggressive sentries. They serve as the corporation's virtual eyes, ears, and machine guns on the sprawling information superhighways of the network. The first player to seven points wins the game, but not likely before he suffers some brain damage or bad publicity.
Calling the Banners is the sixth monthly installment of fixed cards for the "A Clash of Arms" cycle for A Game of Thrones: The Card Game, based on George R.R. Martin's bestselling Song of Ice and Fire saga. This Chapter Pack contains twenty different never-before-seen cards designed to augment existing decks and add variety to the A Game of Thrones metagame (The first edition of this Chapter Pack included only one of each character card, while the second edition includes three copies of each card). Different never-before-seen cards designed to augment existing decks and add variety to the A Game of Thrones metagame.
Bloodshed in the Mountains
Oldin of the Guild Dwarves has called for aid, and his brethren have answered! The headstrong champion Grungor has arrived. He is always eager to rush into battle, and he has brought with him the priest Tordok who uses defensive runes to protect his fellow Dwarves. Joining them is the vicious fighter Halvor, who would gladly sacrifice himself to land a killing blow on an enemy soldier. These mighty champions are followed by the stoutest of Dwarf warriors known as Guardsmen, whose armor lets them shrug off blows that would fell ordinary folk. And the Dwarves have not stopped there - joining the fray are ancient siege weapons. Dwarven Ballistas are stronger than those employed by other folk - they fire bolts that can punch straight through solid stone!
But the Cave Goblin Sneeks has not been idle. He too has drafted new troops to his cause including the opportunistic champions Reeker and Krag, and the frighteningly strange shaman known as Scagg. Strange cries fill the air as Beast Riders swarm from their mountain dens. These Goblins ride strange creatures into battle, quickly overrunning the enemy. Goblin Climbers appear at the highest mountain ridges, firing their bows as they advance. These warriors care little for fortifications, scaling the strongest of walls with ease.
And as the Dwarves and Goblins prepare to escalate their ancient war, even stranger warriors appear on the field of battle! The mercenary champion Malevolence offers her magic blade to the highest bidder, and the plague-ridden Vermin will fight for any army that will brave their diseased presence.
This reinforcement pack is the perfect addition to your Guild Dwarves vs. Cave Goblins starter set, allowing you to bring new troops to the War for Itharia, and experience the excitement of deck construction.
GrungorՂ'ös Charge Includes: - 32 Cards
Guild Dwarves
1 Grungor - Champion
1 Halvor - Champion
1 Tordok - Champion
5 Guardsmen - Common
5 Ballistas - Common
Cave Goblins
1 Reeker - Champion
1 Krag - Champion
1 Scagg - Champion
5 Beast Riders - Common
5 Climbers - Common
1 Malevolence - Champion
5 Vermin - Common
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Bring your troubadour to any tavern with the Pathfinder Adventure Card Game Bard Deck. Explore four different bard characters in this 109-card set, from Lem the magic researcher to Siwar the information broker. The Bard Deck features diverse new allies, weapons, spells, and other loot to take your character all the way through any Pathfinder Adventure Card Game Base Set or Pathfinder Society Adventure Card Guild organized play campaign. Play on!
This reinforcement pack is the perfect addition to your Summoner Wars Starter Set and your Vanguards and Fallen Kingdom Faction Decks, allowing you to bring new troops to the War for Itharia, and experience the excitement of deck construction.
Goodwin's Blade Includes: - 35 Cards
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1 Jacob Eldwyn - Champion
1 Leah Goodwin - Champion
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5 Cavalry Knight - Common
Fallen Kingdom
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5 Phantom - Common
5 Reaver - Common
5 Cultist - Common
1 NaanՂÕÇNashi - Mercenary Champion
5 Owl Familiars - Mercenary Common
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The first approach offers reasonable odds of success, but can suffer because even though a supplier has a good reputation, it does not mean they will be good for your business. An alternative is to employ a consultant to select a supplier. However, apart from the expense, does the consultant have an unbiased view or are they affiliated to a specific supplier?
The next step is to decide who is going to be involved in making the decision. One possibility is to limit the involvement to key managers and users. This will enable them to apply their knowledge and experience to assess the functional fit of the software to the needs of your organisation.
The person dealing with technical issues may want to be involved in the early stage of supplier evaluation, as they will be maintaining the system after it has been installed.
A small team of managers and users could sit in on product demonstrations and then meet to agree a shortlist. A key constraint is time. The team of managers and users should be in the selection process when there are only three or four suppliers.
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