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BioShock 2 "Pauper's Drop" Preview
We take an exclusive in-depth look at the early Fort Frolic-esque level.
I'll try to keep things as spoiler free as possible, but fair warning, I'll be detailing all the new gameplay tidbits I picked up during my play session. And while I will try to be vague and cursory, especially when it comes to the story line, some plot aspects are unavoidably intertwined to the gameplay. And be sure to check out our BioShock 2 Cover Story for week-long exclusive coverage.
Throughout BioShock 2's early chapters, you ride from area to area on a railway train. But just as the psychologically unstable sculptor Sander Cohen trapped Jack when he reached Fort Frolic in the first game, you (or "Subject Delta," as Sophia Lamb -- the main antagonist so far -- calls you) are stranded in Pauper's Drop when the domain's mistress, ex-jazz singer Grace Holloway, shuts down the train at Sophia's behest. Rather than committing a series of murders on behalf of your deranged prison keeper like you did in the original game though, you need to fight your way through the splicer-infested neighborhood to reach Grace, who holds the station control override keycode. She's hidden herself deep in Pauper's Drop, inside a dilapidated Sinclair hotel (previously owned by the same Sinclair, of plasmid maker Sinclair Solutions, whose disembodied voice urges you forward during this particular portion of the game), and it's no easy task making your way to her location.
But let's talk a bit about Pauper's Drop itself. The place is in absolute shambles, and you definitely feel the sense of desperation the Drop's dwellers must have experienced. Wooden planks create makeshift walkways between buildings, and holes in the roofs allow for easy drop-in visits by splicers (and for you to locate some hidden caches of goodies as well). And of course, frequent oil spills and water puddles provide plenty of opportunity for you to use your plasmids to turn the environment against your foes.
Sophia Lamb propaganda adorns the walls at every turn, in the form of posters with her large bespectacled eyes gazing at you, or cultist mottoes scrawled on the concrete, or hundreds of blue butterflies pinned to objects and room interiors like insect decoupage. You even come across sacrificial altars, abandoned shrines, and effigies. Her voice (and that of Grace's) occasionally calls out over the loudspeaker system to rally the splicers that have been inducted into "the family" against you.
Recovered audio diaries give you insight into the daily lives of the Drop's inhabitants, sometimes cluing you into useful information like door code locations, as well as the main motivation behind Grace's hatred for you; it's a personal vendetta, you find out, based on a misunderstanding more than a decade past and capitalized upon by the manipulative Lamb. But either way, Grace is proving to be a pain in your side.
By this point in the game -- which is to say, still very early on -- you already have access to a nice handful of plasmids and tonics, along with a few weapons upgrades depending on which Power of the People stations you find. And maybe it's the passage of time, but Rapture seems to be swimming in Adam. This happens, in part, because the salvation/harvest dichotomy from the first game has branched out a bit. The Little Sisters you adopt (by separating them from other Big Daddies) will harvest corpses full of Adam for you -- or you can, of course, harvest the Little Sisters instead. Additionally, you receive an Adam payout for returning the Little Sisters to their pipes safely (or by performing the ultimate betrayal and harvesting them once you no longer need them). It's possible for a level to have more than one Little Sister, and each can harvest more than one corpse as well.
So sure, you can play it by the numbers, and figure out which path yields the largest Adam return, but it seems the powerful stuff is in ready supply so it's not much of a big deal, at least early on. Some of the ocean explorations you do on the other side of Rapture's city walls also yield Adam slugs for yet more genetic currency.
Comments (47)
SOMEBODY PLEAAAAASE!Posted: Jan 14, 2010 12:00AM PST by micolnova
...whyyyyy? On everything I love...I DO NOT get...the hype behind this one. Bioshock ONE was not everything everyone claimed...reminds me of someone (*cough*uncharted2*cough*)...sigh....but then again...I loved my Sega Saturn.
does it give BJ's too?Posted: Dec 19, 2009 12:00AM PST by davepd1977
That's all this one is missing. Love it!!!!!!!!
Can'tPosted: Dec 15, 2009 12:00AM PST by CaseyD503
Friggin Wait. If It's even AS good as it's predecessor, which it looks to be much beter than, this game will be a huge hit. also, sequels=win. Call of Duty, Resident Evil, Super Mario Bros., Final Fantasy (though never a true sequel, except that one abomination), Etc. I'd probably say that most of the great games being played by myself these days are sequels to franchises long since established.
Clearly... (@ Isaac)Posted: Dec 15, 2009 12:00AM PST by transcendent1
Clearly people who don't think the way you do are clearly not fans of the genre. CLEARLY.
Not this time around mates!Posted: Nov 03, 2009 12:00AM PST by strathack
I liked the first one OK, not all fanboy about it or anything but the 2nd one would have to offer something really special for me to go for it at release. I will watch it and go for it when I feel the price reaches my bargain level.
Meh.Posted: Nov 03, 2009 12:00AM PST by Augmentation
I liked the first game but not as much as the hype and ratings would suggest.
Also, I really don't like what they've done with the Little Sisters. They've take the worst part of the first game and translated it into a major part of the second game. That annoys me.
I'll probably pick this up when its price has fallen greatly. What I've seen so far doesn't wow me at all - it just seems like a redux of the first game with new maps and enemies...
killerPosted: Oct 31, 2009 12:00AM PST by villalobos
This is one coool as game!!!!!!
This Preview is just awful.Posted: Oct 30, 2009 12:00AM PST by lazerbro
When I click on a "hands-on preview" article at 1up or any other gaming site, I expect a description of the game and how it's turning out so far; that is, a piece of journalism. What I do NOT expect is piece of advertising/strategy guide for a game that hasn't come out yet. Are you serious? I get it, you liked the game and got into it. Way to go. But please, don't make an advertising pitch to us; instead, educate us on a product that will be released soon so that we may make a better-informed decision of whether we will buy it or not. That's your job. Sheesh!
WhoopsPosted: Oct 29, 2009 12:00AM PST by bisp
I didn't mean the escort mission lasted for 1/3rd of the game, maybe 1/4th. I mean the whole big daddy transformation thing, basically everything post Ryan. They're taking the worst two things about BioShock 1 and making the whole game about it, escort missions and being a Big Daddy.
Yeah doing the escort stuff is optional. You could harvest the girls or decide not to stop for any adam, but what's the point in that? Oh well, you can't win them all.
LOLPosted: Oct 29, 2009 12:00AM PST by EVILSBANE
Seems to be optional, at least for the most part. The escort mission was an incredible turn-around in the first game, because suddenly you're in the Daddy's shoes... I thought it was frantic and terrifying, exactly what I would expect a situation like that to feel.
Stranger DangerPosted: Oct 29, 2009 12:00AM PST by bisp
That whole Stranger Danger paragraph just ruined any chance I'll play this game. I hated the escort bullshit from Bioshock 1, there's no way i could do it for a whole game. "Mr Bubbles blah blah blah Mr. Bubbles" as she slowly stabs the same body for 5 minutes.
I don't get how they ignored all the "the last 1/3rd of the game sucked" talk and did a whole game based on that third. Incredible.
YeahPosted: Oct 29, 2009 12:00AM PST by SuperSledge
Most of these videos are only watchable if I use the standard download link below the video and that's if the author of the page bothered to put one.
bottom vid supposed to be on auto playPosted: Oct 29, 2009 12:00AM PST by ShadOwFace
that might cuase lag for people with slow internets.
the plot thickens...Posted: Jun 05, 2009 12:00AM PST by At0mic_Iguana
Multiplayer you say... looks decent so far you say... well this game was sold as soon as it was announced, but it just contributed to me buying my xbl subscription... not that it wasnt bought already as well... so sue me itll be a great game but I aint buyin it twice... hopefully it deserves it though
underwater demeted people= exelent timePosted: Jun 04, 2009 12:00AM PST by BSmacked
I was a little scepticle when my cousin introduced me to bio shock, he basically told me it was the best game he had ever played in his life. When i sat down to play this game for about 4 hours, it was definetly a difrent game.It was difrent in that it was really good, not the best game ive ever play but it was a really exelent game.
I expect bio shock 2 to be really awsome just like the story line.
Im not going to lie
but there are some parts in bio shock one that made me jump and almost shit my pants
with that said im expexcting that in the next bio shock.
Stop comparing gamesPosted: Jun 04, 2009 12:00AM PST by ateam_56
Ok first things first Dead Space is cool because it was eery, creepy and the story was excellent. Bioshock is cool because it was eery, creepy and the story was excellent. The differences here was the backstory, locations and style of the two games. seriously THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT GAMES! I loved both of them as they brought their own style of telling a story so people who keep comparing games should SHUT UP! Now overall I hope both games are excellecent with Dead Space extraction and Bioshock 2.
Here's a suggestion....Posted: Jun 03, 2009 12:00AM PST by OrangeFire
I really hope they put a lot of effort into this; god knows how much they have. The only suggestion I have is a very good addition to the multiplayer: when everyone's fighting, why not have a neutral Big Daddy lumbering around? If one side accidentally hits him, then he does his job and beats the crap out of that one person. If one side decides to help their comrade in fighting the BD, then they get some sort of prize, like getting control of all the turrets or something.
I highly anticipate this sequel, because no matter what they do in making this game, it's going to be good. Sequels to a great game are nothing less than an 8 of 10, errr, usually.
Give it upPosted: Jun 03, 2009 12:00AM PST by iMarketmii
Seriously you're comparing apples and oranges here.. Dead space is entirely different from Bioshock, Bioshock is entirely different from Dead Space..
I'm tired of these dumb comparisons..
dead space aint got shit on bioshockPosted: Jun 03, 2009 12:00AM PST by Killface_4_Pres
Right...to bad DEAD SPACE isnt anything compared to this game. This game has depth, great character story lines, an interesting and new idea behind it and is much more customizable in terms of weapons, ammo and character. Dead space is boooooorring. I quit that game about 2 levels from the end cause its just the same thing over and over and over and over, bioshock does the shooter genre much much better than dead space. If you havent played Bioshock go buy soon and check it out, its not cartoonish as much as it is a beatiful interactive piece of art, from room to room and level to level its much more detailed and varied compared to the enviornment of dead space. You wont feel like you're walking around the same floors from level to level until you beat the game.
and away we go...Posted: Apr 26, 2009 12:00AM PST by Kl1n3
So, the man who gave us "Sander F*CKIN COHEN" and the "ICE MAN F*CKIN COMETH" is now giving us the sequal. As stated by another, with out the original man at the helm...It makes me anxious about a game I found amazing. BUT, now thats a big one (see the caps) I feel that Fort Frolic was an amazing board/idea/scenario/dialog/play unto itself. In short...
Gonna be a first day buy for me, along w/sigma 2...I'm gonna be very gaming happy.
Reluctantly getting excited and hopeful...Posted: Apr 24, 2009 12:00AM PST by sloshbone
When this sequel was first announced, I was quick to proclaim blasphemy for not only attempting to create a sequel to one of the greatest games of all time (rarely are sequels as good, plus storyline issues) but doing so without the participation of the guiding force behind the original game, Ken Levine.
As details are gradually building, I am reluctant that I am kinda staring to look forward to playing the game. I feel as if I'm betraying Levine, lol. Seems like it's heading in the right direction though. I just hope it's not the predictable letdown and disappointment that I originally felt it would be. Though, I certainly could use another underwater vacation...
I'm hopeful, but not convinced.
JonPosted: Apr 24, 2009 12:00AM PST by papajason5
you are the first big daddy that was created. in the first game you only explored a small part of rapture, do you remember seeing how huge it was on the way down? you are most likely in another part of rapture that hasnt been affected as much. the first big daddy, you, has survived the whole downfall of rapture and now has to fight the big sister
At firstPosted: Apr 23, 2009 12:00AM PST by KILL_SWITCH
I was pretty skeptical about this title. No Lavigne. A game company trying to make a quick buck by franchising a popular title... ect ect...
But with every new BioShock 2 vid and preview thats come out, I gotta say its truly turning into something that looks like it will deliver something that might equal to, or even 1up its predecesor.
ryanPosted: Apr 23, 2009 12:00AM PST by papajason5
hahahahahaha! my thoughts exactly.
@ NICKPosted: Apr 23, 2009 12:00AM PST by carnagebroodx
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent statement were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this page is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
oh manPosted: Apr 23, 2009 12:00AM PST by papajason5
one of my favorite moments in bioshock was when you find the Dr. Suchong audio diary where the little sister is trying to get Dr. Suchongs attention. the Dr. eventually ends up slaping her to shut her up, when she screams you hear a bigdaddy roar in the background. then after listening to the diary you walk into the next room to see the body of Dr, Suchong with a big daddy drill in his stomach.
that moment was priceless
nickPosted: Apr 23, 2009 12:00AM PST by papajason5
wow. you have obviously either, never played this game or you really need a reality check on what a great game is.
Spoilers above...?Posted: Apr 23, 2009 12:00AM PST by MrArmageddon
That article seems to have a little too much information. Of course, if 2K sees it fit to reveal these details then hopefully they're just minor ones and we can look forward to a ton of surprises in the final game.
Big sister?Posted: Apr 23, 2009 12:00AM PST by Soul_Vanish
In the first Bioshock "towards the end of the game" you played as a big daddy, problem was! you didnt have any of the the big daddy weapons or any visable gear....Now you have the drill, gun and visable gear "PLUS" all the mods. As long as they keep the same formula: Game play, Graphics and Story! This game WILL be hit. Looking forward to harvesting all those pretty little girls. heheheeee!
@AaronPosted: Apr 23, 2009 12:00AM PST by Matt360
I agree, that was a well-written article. I'm getting pretty damn excited for the sequel as well. Bioshock was one of my favorite games of 2007, and I think it's definitely a game that is more than the sum of its parts. Certain gameplay flaws and a bit of a dragging story toward the end did absolutely nothing to deter my love for the game. I remember being at work thinking, "I can't wait to get home and go to Rapture." The package was built so well that I actually thought of it and felt as if I were "going somewhere" rather than simply playing a game. I would even go so far as to say no other game has been able to transport me to another place like Bioshock.
Good article.Posted: Apr 23, 2009 12:00AM PST by FiendishDude.1up.com
I enjoyed that. It was well written and gave me a quick refresher on what we know so far and a few new tidbits. The more I see of the game, the less skeptical I become. I suppose we are all just going to have to play it before we pass any more judgement about the Big Sister and the like.
media blackoutPosted: Apr 23, 2009 12:00AM PST by JonnyCams
I am super excited to play as a big daddy the whole time.
I feel like the whole game will have a real good ebb and flow with yet another good twist ending. Everything I continue to see for this game keeps making me go "wha...yes, awesome."
I want a media blackout up to and until the actual release, for same reason stated in the article, I just want to find out the big ending, before my friend tells me on accident, which almost happened with Harry Potter and the half blood prince.
And great Simpsons quote, top notch.
@ NickPosted: Apr 23, 2009 12:00AM PST by xjuggernaughtx
The setting, storytelling, and sound ARE the game. The gameplay lets you access the game. In almost no game is the gameplay particularly varied, or else people couldn't play the game. It would be too complicated. You could reduce Halo to the same thing. All you do is run around and shoot stuff, occassionally getting into a vehicle and shooting stuff. Is that enough? If so, then Bioshock should have been enough because sometime you get to take pictures of stuff.
Jack's aging was acceleratedPosted: Apr 23, 2009 12:00AM PST by 3NV7
"That means Jack is alive and living out his relationship with the little sisters that he set free (the good ending) from the first game. That seems like a conflict of story-telling doesn't it? How can we presume Jack died within ten years when we see the little sisters grow up and get married and they are with Jack on his death bed. And he is old - like older than ten years later old."
Rapture was created in 1946, Jack was conceived there and returned in 1960 as a fully grown man. I'm certain there was some recordings that alluded to his accelerated aging (near where you encounter Ryan), so it's reasonable to assume that 10 years later he would be elderly at that point (or at least well into middle age)
meh an over rated gamePosted: Apr 23, 2009 12:00AM PST by crusader8463
the first one was over rated soo much lol. It was just the same boring 5-10 min of combat over and over and over and over. The setting, story, sound etc was good but the game play was horrible, and i doubt this one will be any better. Might rent it but i still see no reason to go buy this crap. C'est la vie
Cant wait.Posted: Apr 23, 2009 12:00AM PST by vampiregoddess
I'm honestly way too excited about this game. I cant wait for it come out. It's going to be amazing! This preview just added to it. It also really helped knowing when i takes place and who that big sister is. I'm not as confused ne more. Great preview.
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Skip to comments.Rove: Why couldn't U.S. president be LDS?
Posted on 02/04/2011 2:49:27 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
LAYTON -- A member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints can become president of the United States of America, says Karl Rove, former senior adviser to President George W. Bush.
"Absolutely," said Rove, who was in Layton on Thursday night for a stop-over to address a room full of fellow Republicans at the Davis Conference Center.
While he was at it, Rove, who served as the keynote speaker for the Davis County Republican Party Lincoln Day Dinner, autographed copies of his book.
More than 400 people attended the event at a cost of $50 per person, which included dinner and a copy of Rove's book, New York Times best-seller "Courage and Consequence: My Life as a Conservative in the Fight."
The event also included a VIP reception with Rove.
Following the reception and prior to his speech, Rove took time to talk with the media, addressing the strong gains the Republican Party made in the November 2010 election in the House, Senate and with governorships across the country, and the challenges that lie ahead for any GOP presidential candidate in 2012.
Rove also shared that he would be addressing the economy, the nation's debt, health care and hope for America in his dinner speech, which was closed to the media.
"I think we are going to have a race that is up in the air, that is capable of being won by either side," Rove said of the 2012 presidential run.
He said despite the slight advantage there is to a standing incumbent, "The economy is not going to be good, and the budget is not going to be in the place the American people want it, the deficits are still going to be too high, and the taste that is still in people's mouths about what they saw in the first two years, particularly when it comes to health care, is not going to be helpful to (President Barack Obama)."
But any Republican candidate entering the field -- including former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney and former Utah governor Jon Huntsman Jr., both members of the LDS faith -- will have their work cut out for them, said Rove.
"Anybody thinking about this is going to have challenges," Rove said.
Too much was made of Romney's LDS faith in his 2008 run for president, said Rove, who has Utah ties but is Anglican, not LDS.
The country enshrined freedom of religion in the Bill of Rights, Rove said, and what he found in looking back at articles centering around Mitt Romney's father, former Michigan governor George Romney, is that there was no mention of his LDS faith.
"This makes me queasy,"Rove said of the Times magazine coverage of Romney's religion.
Rove, who attended Olympus High School and the University of Utah, said that the whole issue of Romney's religion was "overdone."
Based on Rove's busy schedule, the Davis GOP was fortunate to have him speak at this annual event, Davis County Republican Party Chairwoman Shirley Bouwhuis said.
Rove, an adviser to President Bush from 2000 to 2007 and deputy chief of staff from 2004 to 2007, has written a candid, behind-the-scenes view of some of the country's most turbulent years in the White House, Bouwhuis said.
Bouwhuis said she was confident Rove would generate a lot of interest from local party members, especially as 2010 was a historical mid-term election for the GOP, and 2012 is shaping up to be an exciting election year, too.
Rove is a Fox News contributor and writes a weekly op-ed for The Wall Street Journal as a Newsweek columnist.
"Go Mitt. Go Mitt. Go Mitt.
We attack the GOP's women candidates .for you.
We support ObamaCARE for you.
We support TARP and the DNC for you.
For you!!!!!!"
"Rove is pushing Romney so aggressively some folks are beginning to wonder what's going on," grumbled one veteran Republican strategist."
"Rove has made no secret of his support for Romney as McCain's VP. "
He's definitely on Romney's payroll. Creep.
Not a gun-grabber though. That will never happen.
Would you like some whine with your cheese?
Would you like some RINO with your vote?
On of Bush II's biggest failures, keeping this guy on as an adviser. I can only imagine the boatloads of bad advice that was given out.
And Romney's penchant for Socialism?
Romney's faith really isn't the issue, Mr. Rove...and you know it.
What we conservatives have a problem with is that Romney is a big intrusive government, baby murdering, freedom loathing, gun grabbing Socialist!
Rove must think we are all on LSD.
No one cares.
We care that the President isn't a RINO socialist who believes in socialized healthcare.
Go pound sand, Karl.
Most Americans know very little about the LDS.
If Willard is the nominee, the MSM will fix that.
Sleight of hand, shilling for Mitt Romney.
That question, properly framed, would read "Why couldn't US president be an unprincipled opportunist hiding behind diversity?"
We're already living the answer to that properly framed question, Karl. If Mitt Romney had actually adhered to the tenets of his religion, he'd be far more conservative than he is, and more likely to be accepted by conservatives. He didn't and he's not, though.
Nice try. All the shrill outbursts are beginning to make sense. Most of the prominent instances have had Mittbots lurking the periphery. This is just more of the same.
Me I don't care.. To me if the person preaches Conservative values regardless of their religious beliefs....
I agree with you, armordog99, that this religion requires an extra heaping helping of "suspension of reasoning skills". But I wonder if that suspension necessarily carries over into the policy realm.
Not talking about Romney here, who is more of a socialist RINO than he is a Mormon, but thinking of those Mormons who are also good conservatives. Conservatives on the issues. Do you doubt that they are out there?
I know, there might be a difference between a "conservative Mormon" and a "conservative Mormon President", that anyone who thinks clearly can be a conservative but not anyone can be President, but still, I can't help wondering, despite the obvious irrationality of the religion, isn't it possible that a good conservative president could come from its ranks?
Not arguing with you, just wondering out loud.
And one other point. Despite the zany aspects of the religion, it does preach a very strong love of America and a very strong view of American Exceptionalism.
Why couldn't U.S. president be LDS? ,
What, another one ???
We're not doing that good with the one we have now...
Why couldn't U.S. president be LDS? ,
Rove oviously doesnt know the various ways one can become a Mormon, dead or alive...
Because all the LDS candidates we have seen so far have been RINOS?
I understand what you're saying, armordog99.
But Romney and his shills know that anti Mormonism is the lone victim card that he has to play.
They can prop that strawman up in front of Socialist RomneyCare and dance to fiddle tunes while they're bashing Sarah Palin.
The Pillsbury Doughboy continues his desperate bid for attention, after his attacks on Sarah Palin and the Tea Party have forever eliminated him as a credible conservative. He's hoping Mitt will give him a job, which would further sink Romney's campaign for the nomination in the eyes of conservative.
LDS member as president?
Consider Hairy Reed, Mitt Romney, Orrin Hatch.
No Ezra Taft Benson they.
Sure Carl, an LDS can become President, a Kenyan too. But NOOOOOO, a woman can't. Women should stay where they belong - in the kitchen and/or in the PTA./s
And therein lies the problem...too many of them "preach conservative values," but once their elected, they turn on a dime. They all "preach it brother" with such heart/conviction, but once they're in office, their true RINO colors come bleeding through. For me, and I'm sure so many others, we're fed-up/sick and tired of the RINO crap, and IMHO, Romney fits the RINO mold to a "T"!!!!
We already have a guy in the White House who thinks he's a messiah. I guess the only way to one up it is with a guy who thinks he'll become a god.
Good Shot! I wonder how many folks know that little tidbit of the Mormon faith?
While Romney has plenty of other things with which we should take issue, if the question is about his mormonism, I have to say I agree with you. I've studied it myself and couldn't trust the judgment of a politician who embraces it.
When are you going to realize everyone connected to Bush has strong Progressive tendencies...
And, how many know of the ongoing attempt by mormonism to HIDE that fact from the world...even here on FR.
How in the wide wide world of sports did that fellow sell 400 tickets?
How in the wide wide world of sports did that fellow sell 400 tickets?
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I "realized" that in 1988, if not before.
Heard a Michael Reagan interview today where he stated that his father wouldn't even get the GOP nominiation today...
Speaks volumes about how screwed up the GOP is...
Turn back your clock.
It's late March, 1978.
Mitt Romney has just turned 30 a few weeks before. Not exactly a youngster...
Jon Huntsman is an adult as well, having just turned 18.
Both as of that time belong to an organization that was still symbolically posting "No Blacks Allowed" signs over the doors of what they deem to be the most important buildings they ever are to enter on earth...
In fact, to show how important those buildings are...
...were Mitt & Jon & their fellow Mormons not to enter them & perform the dark hoop-jumping rituals absolutely required of them...
...then this dark threatening foreboding warning that was imposed upon them Jan. 19, 1841 would descend upon them to "reject" them by one of their gods...
"...build a house unto me; and I grant unto you a sufficient time to build a house unto me; ... But behold, at the end of this appointment your baptisms for your dead shall not be acceptable to me; and if you do not these things at the end of the appointment ye shall be rejected as a church, with your dead... (Official Lds Church Doctrines & Covenants 124:31-32)
So these special Mormon "houses"...Race-wise, were they worse -- or better -- than the soda fountain separate drinking fountains and separate bathrooms and separate entrances for blacks & whites in the South from the early 1960s & before that?
Do these special Mormon-built "houses" -- their temples -- as of March, 1978...do they at least have a "Black entrance" into the temple to contrast the "White entrance" into the temple? Are blacks at least allowed a separate-but-equal inside treatment?
I mean even those "white drinking fountain" only stores still allowed blacks inside, right? What about Mormon temples as of late March 1978 with 30 yo Mitt Romney inside? With perhaps Jon Huntsman inside pretending to be a dead spirit being dunked in the water? (Lds use teens to immerse -- what they call "proxy" baptisms -- to baptize dead spirits)
Are Mitt's supporters out there in Romneyland so naive that they somehow think that the MSM won't turn a potential Romney (or Huntsman) - Obama match-up into a referendum on Mormon (& by extension the Republicans who voted him in) racism????
#2 Do we think the MSM will overlook the claim made of temple Mormons that they are "gods-in-embryo?"
Anybody know of any other (R) candidates running who claim the other-worldly commitment of becoming a "grown-up" god???
That's who some want in the White House? (Somebody who thinks of it as a "career move" onto to their Great White Throne?)
And I'm still not quite so sure why most FREEPERS who indeed are bothered by Mormonism are actually afraid to publicly concede that in the case of weighing a POTUS candidate?
Imagine it's 2016...and say that -- for discussion's sake -- scientologist John Travolta is running for POTUS.
The MSM interviews John...and he concedes he holds to the "traditional" view of Scientology re: their 'thetanism' doctrine...(for those of you who don't know what that is, here it is):
According to Scientology, when a person dies or, in Scientology terms, when a thetan abandons its physical body they go to a "landing station" on the planet Venus, where the thetan is re-implanted and told lies about its past life and its next life. The Venusians take the thetan, "capsule" it, and send it back to Earth to be dumped into the ocean off the coast of California.
Source: Thetan entry @ Wikipedia
Now I don't know about you. But if Scientologists are so gullible to fall for this stuff...would John be the kind of guy you want heading the international & domestic security interests of the United States?
And why would such Scientologist stuff be "off the table" in discussing him as who you want in the White House? In fact, not only why that, but why would so many conservatives actually perform dozens of cartwheels to actually ensure it wouldn't not even be addressed as one among many?
(Can you say "cultural cowardice?" Can you say they've been brow-beaten by liberals already for alleged "bigotry" and they've forgotten that the line between discernment and judgment is oft wherever the name-caller wants to draw it?)
I agree with you it will be a difficult road in the Bible belt. My FIL is a adament Southern Baptist who has been saying so.
I've seen the posts that allude to Mormonism being another "Christian" religion. They never mention that they are not monotheistic. That is a real deal breaker(among many).
Religious reasons aside...
...Romney is a RINO ObamaCare loving POS that you can't trust.
They are, for the most part, fine people and good neighbors. They live their family lives and community lives better than a lot of Americans do, and I respect that. I'm indifferent to their religious beliefs, they are no threat to my own.
But I've studied those beliefs a good deal - more than most Americans. I don't think the somewhat obscure, almost hidden, nature of those beliefs will survive a Romney nomination.
Before the convention, the MSM line will be "any GOP objections to Romney are vile religious hatred, and if Palin (or whoever) wins instead, next stop Auschwitz".
As soon as he is nominated, the MSM will switch to magic spectacles, temple garments, universal apostasy, Moron(i), and all the rest. A broad-minded MSM may approve of the plural wives and decry the repression those progressive LDS pioneers experienced in hate-filled Christian America.
Anyway, by the time the MSM is done with Willard and his religion, he won't be able to be elected dogcatcher.
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