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Ironically, the ones who scream the loudest against helping the "unwashed masses" are the Jesus people. Conservative Christians seem fundamentally not capable of allowing someone else a basic standard of life. And yes, that makes them bad people.
You can't be serious. There are two takes out there in the Church. One, we should take care of the poor ourselves and of our own free will (these are the conservatives). Two, we should support those who will take care of the poor and by any means necessary (these are the liberals). I don't know any Christians that don't want to help the poor, they just have different ways of going about it.
It certainly would have helped if he'd published it a couple of months ago.
Yes, that would have helped Bernie Sanders, who would be a different candidate. I am guessing, that is not who they wanted to see picked. Even now the Democrats are headed to a technically open/contested convention. If Bernie would drop out (before) the convention, then we might see this kind of release of evidence to, "save the party." Without that concession, you run the risk of all the super delegates switching to Bernie and handing him the nomination. In most things timing is very important, politics is one of those things.
So to make this cheat happen, across not only individual product lines, but badges as well (Volkswagen AND Audi)
Wait! So this is now the most ironic Super Bowl add ever? They got caught by the green police after initially getting a pass!
So I should swap out my video card to save a little power, drop a few frames and die a virtual death? I think they have their priorities backwards.
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I have been reading all the signals from Microsoft (free upgrade, last version, free for life) as them moving to: a subscription model, a hardware tie in model, or both. While I recognize I could be wrong, this has lead me to telling people to cling to their Windows 7 licenses. Get them before they are gone. Just in case!
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The "major" news media still has not seen fit to tell the story of the two white reporters attacked by a black mob in Norfolk, Virginia. Bill O'Reilly is virtually alone among major media in reporting on this, and noting that the Norfolk area "Virginia-Pilot" did not see fit to cover the local story.
Denis Finley said it was merely a "simple assault" and his paper doesn't cover such, despite the attack taking place on two of their own reporters, who were out of work from injuries for an entire week, which the police classified as "not grave injuries."
In case you missed the story, two white reporters - Dave Forster and Marjon Rostrami - had been stopped at a red light when their car was attacked by a black teen who threw a rock at the car.
When Forster got out of his stopped car to confront the rock thrower (and presumably stop further damage to his stopped car) the nearby crowd of 100 surrounded him and several started beating him violently.
When the female reporter got out of the car to try to help him she too was attacked. She managed to get a call off to police - after four attempts - and the police came to disperse the crowd.
Several things are noteworthy about this incident. I will address this in the order of what I feel is most significant, and the first, has not been addressed even on the Bill O'Reilly show.
One of the "Die Hard" movies showed what would happen to a white who is on foot in a "bad neighborhood". Our intrepid hero in that movie was forced to set out on foot in Harlem, a "bad" neighborhood - for whites. It was the major opening scene of the movie.
Did anyone complain that this depiction of what would happen to a white who is on foot in Harlem, provoke any complaints that it was exaggerated? If so I missed it.
It is a sad fact in America today that in many cities you don't want to be white and on foot in "the bad neighborhoods."
Is it because you are white and those who will attack you are black? Is it because the people there are poor and they perceive you are rich? Is it a territorial thing, ie. you should have known better than to come into the "wrong neighborhood"?
Is this a joke? Is there anyone in America besides The Virginia Pilot's Denis Finley who says what happened to the reporter is not a hate crime, and who thinks there's nothing noteworthy about this, nothing worth their reporting on?
In fact, if this is not noteworthy, if this is not worthy of a news story in the Norfolk newspaper or in any national media (except for The Blaze online and Bill O'Reilly on Fox TV) then it proves my first point.
Of course, there's nothing unusual about this story because everybody knows if you are white and you get out of your car in an inner city, high crime, black neighborhood, you will do well to escape with your life, and you will very likely be beaten and robbed very shortly.
It is nice to see that the police, after a few weeks of news silence on this story, did finally arrest a 16 year old for this crime - and he is now an accused felon.
And, since the outcry generated from Bill O'Reilly's Fox news report, the editor has at least attempted to make excuses. Finley wrote that he had (at last) discovered that "race has entered the equation." You think?
And, the solicitous Finley also wrote that he'd not reported on the story earlier because his two suddenly bashful reporters did not want their names in the news. One wonders if he is usually this solicitous with other crime victims?
My further conclusions from this story, aside from the fact that everybody KNOWS it is dangerous to be white and on foot in an inner city in America, and everybody knows you aren't supposed to say or write this, follows.
First, and most fundamental, is that it is only marginally LESS safe to be a black stranger, dressed upscale, and appearing to NOT BELONG to that neighborhood, and be on foot in a black neighborhood. Black on black crime, like the Rodney King riots of many years ago, is the under reported news in America's inner cities.
The biggest victims of black criminals are blacks who live in their inner city territory. Not the rare white who happens to have made the mistake of being on foot, or stopped at a traffic light, in such a "territory."
Second. Bill O'Reilly makes the point that Denis Finley denies: if this were a story in Norfolk, Virginia (or any other city in America) of a gang of whites attacking a nice, young couple who happened to have been stopped at a traffic light, we'd have been seeing 24/7 news coverage of this on al the network news channels, radio stations and newspapers in America, for the last few weeks.
Far LESS of a racial motivation has been shown in the Trayvon Martin case in Florida, but the intensity of the media coverage has been incredible.
Third. There is an underdone to this story, if you read between the lines, that the white couple were stupid to have driven their car in that neighborhood, deserved what happened to them. And that they were extra stupid to have got out of their car.
This "blame the victim" mentality of course, completely excuses the criminal. Of course it is true - if they hadn't been in that neighborhood, and just drove off (including RUN THE RED LIGHT, ESCAPE!!!!), they would not have been hurt. But this "blame the victim" thing is pretty awful, in my view.
Fourth. The liberal media operates on a double standard. Of course they are not going to cover a story like this. Liberals HATE stories like this because they think it plays into the hands of conservatives who are all male racists (according to them).
A story like this would seem to justify their bad behavior so it should not be covered at all.
Fifth. There is a paternalistic mentality at work here on the part of the liberal media. They think you should not hold black criminals to the same standards as criminal whites. They will excuse behavior of blacks, which they would never excuse for whites, because they actually think blacks are stupid, inferior.
They are pathetically racist with this mentality.
Sixth. Many who read this may be shocked but, there is actually a mentality among the liberal-left that says the crimes of whites against blacks - starting with the crime of slavery - is the reason that blacks have a lesser standard of living in the United States, and that only reparations paid by whites to compensate for the several generations of "criminal conduct" against them, will balance this equation.
This is not the mentality of socialist "spread the wealth around" which we have seen and heard from Barack Obama and other leftists. This is reparations for "crimes" by whites against blacks.
Of course this is silly.
Why would a black who came here from Jamaica or from Nigeria three years ago, need "reparations" to pay for what happened to a black slave over 100 years ago?
Why would an Asian Indian or a Russian who drives a taxi in New York City since they arrived in America five years ago, be required to "pay" for the supposed crimes of whites over 100 years ago?
Why would the descendants of people whose "gave the last full measure of devotion" on the battlefield to end slavery, as commemorated in Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, be required to pay reparations?
Why would the side that won a victory at Gettysburg for the idea that you do not have to pay for the crimes of your parents nor have a title or other "tradition" bestowed on you based upon the accident of your birth, now be told that they must pay "reparations" for the supposed sins of their great grandparents?
How did we get to this point in America where an attack like this is covered up instead of reported for what it is - an indication that there is a problem with the criminal justice system in America, especially in our cities, and that there are too many underage inner city troublemakers roaming about without jobs, without hope, but with plenty of bitterness and rage?
How did we get to the point in America that in most cities, everybody seems to think a crime like this is not a wake up call for us to take action but a sign that two white people were in the wrong place and at the wrong time?
Seventh. The argument was actually offered on camera by someone from the neighborhood to Bill O'Reilly's producer, that the attack by a black mob on two whites was to get even for the death of black Trayvon Martin in Florida.
This is ridiculous on several levels. First, two wrongs don't make a right. Second, the facts of the two cases are totally different and in Florida are in dispute but there is no disputing that the two white reporters did not attack the black gang. Third, and most important: there were loud and repeated demands that the white be arrested during 24/7 news coverage of the Trayvon Martin case. There has been a media blackout of the Norfolk, Virginia incident.
Eighth. Finally irony about the story. The girl is from Iran. If a group of whites had attacked her, would that have generated a media firestorm? Would we have seen an outpouring of "Muslim immigrant attacked by American mob" or "Female Iranian Immigrant assaulted by The Ugly Americans" for 24/7? Would we have seen repeated demands that the criminals who assaulted her should be found and arrested?
What happened to Dave Forster and Marjon Rostrami is wrong. Skin color should not enter into this topic except to note that it was clearly a motivation on the part of their attackers.
It is wrong, and we should be asking the question about American cities which Dr. Edward Banfield wrote about in The Unheavenly City (1970) - liberal solutions add to the decay, boost the frustration and bitterness, skyrocket the crime rate and solve nothing.
Banfield was not any kind of a "movement conservative" but if you accept the premise that sometimes, we ought to look at issues from a "right and wrong" perspective, then he offers a lot of reasons why liberalism in American cities doesn't ever work, and why conservative ideas (such as the enterprise zones his book helped motivate/inspire) should be tried instead.
If you keep boosting taxes in American cities and driving off business and the middle class you end up with an ever increasing number of gangs roaming about, looking for some hapless person to stop at a red light where they can throw a rock or do worse.
Liberals have had virtual monopoly control of most of America's cities for several generations and the ugly truth is, their ideas don't work, but make it worse, to the point it is now very dangerous in the cities they control. It isn't hard to see why there is so much "flight" to the suburbs from the cities of America.
The question isn't what happened in Norfolk on May 1 to two white reporters. Nor is it, what motivated a gang of troublemakers, nor even why is it liberal media covers up stories like this?
Rather, the question is, what is happening to America's cities, and what can we do to reverse the trend that makes it dangerous to stop at a red light in the wrong neighborhood in so many cities in America?
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- 2 Edit request from , 21 October 2011
- 3 Did you know Brigham Young lived in Auburn, NY as well? This is known fact and documented
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The location of Brigham Young's grave is wrong on this article: he's not in the Salt Lake City Cemetery, he's in the Mormon Pioneer Memorial Monument (park),
aka the Brigham Young Historic Park, aka the Brigham Young Family (Memorial) Cemetery.
- Shill, Aaron (4 April 2009), "Significant sites, artifacts, often go unnoticed", Deseret News
- Creager, Janine S. (23 October 2008), "Markers of the past", The Salt Lake Tribune
- "Spotlight on historic sites: Brigham Young Cemetery, Memorial", Church News, 1 April 2000
The address is 140 East First Avenue, SLC, which places this on First Avenue (between North Temple and South Temple), just east of State Street; the location is essentially a pocket park. Eliza R. Snow is also buried there. -- 126.96.36.199 (talk) 22:37, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
- For images of the park/monument/cemetery, please see commons:Category:Mormon Pioneer Memorial Monument. -- 184.108.40.206 (talk) 15:22, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you, added link here to Mormon Pioneer Memorial Monument. —Eustress talk 19:45, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
- Great new article! However one minor thing still needs to be fixed in the text of this semi-protected article: the text in the last sentence of the "Death" section still says "He was buried at Salt Lake City Cemetery." -- 18.104.22.168 (talk) 00:07, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
- Perhaps you should create an account? In the meantime, I fixed the error and added a citation. —Eustress talk 00:56, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
- Some users are unable to edit via an account for various reasons, usually involving the computer they access WP on. Good Ol'factory (talk) 00:56, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
- Perhaps you should create an account? In the meantime, I fixed the error and added a citation. —Eustress talk 00:56, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
- Great new article! However one minor thing still needs to be fixed in the text of this semi-protected article: the text in the last sentence of the "Death" section still says "He was buried at Salt Lake City Cemetery." -- 18.104.22.168 (talk) 00:07, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you, added link here to Mormon Pioneer Memorial Monument. —Eustress talk 19:45, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
Edit request from , 21 October 2011[edit]
{{edit semi-protected}} In the second paragraph under the section of Controversial Teachings there is a discussion of an incident between William Appleby and Brigham Young regarding Blacks in the LDS Church. The sixth sentence is an introduction to a quote by Brigham Young from the Journal of Discourses. The introduction to this quote indicates that in 1863 Brigham Young was recounting what he told Appleby back in 1847 at Winter Quarters. However that is not the case; the talk given in 1863 is not related to the encounter with Appleby in the least. And neither are any of the other twelve references Brigham Young makes regarding Blacks in the Journal of Discourses. The quote should be deleted because it is not relevant to the incident. However, if you insist on using it then the introduction to the quote should simply read, "In 1863 Young said this regarding Blacks…" and add one or two of the other eleven quotes that shed a clearer light on the subject. Thank you!
R3miguy (talk) 23:59, 21 October 2011 (UTC)R3miguy
- Thank you for your input. I re-evaluated the text and removed extraneous information. However, the quote in question still appears insightful. Can you propose a more complete passage that would help readers interpret the quote in the proper context? —Eustress talk 00:39, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
- I've removed the {{edit semi-protected}} template, for now - as it's partially done, and up for discussion. If another specific request is required, please add a new {{edit semi-protected}}. Thanks, Chzz ► 07:50, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm sorry; I fail to see how the quote is insightful, just inflammatory and offensive, especially in the 21st Century (though quite common for the 19th Century, when it was made). But regarding your stated point – Brigham Young – Controversial Teachings – Blacks in the Priesthood, I think there are better representative quotes of Brigham Young's teachings in Journal of Discourse. For example, in 1866 Young said, "Why are so many of the inhabitants of the earth cursed with a sin of blackness? It comes in consequence of their fathers rejecting the power of the Holy Priesthood, and the law of God. They will go down to death. And when all the rest of the children have received their blessings in the Holy Priesthood, then that curse will be removed from the seed of Cain, and they will then come up and possess the priesthood, and receive all the blessings which we now are entitled to. The volition of the creature is free; this is a law of their existence, and the Lord cannot violate his own law; were he to do that, he would cease to be God. He has placed life and death before his children, and it is for them to choose. If they choose life, they receive the blessings of life; if they chose death, they must abide the penalty. This is a law which has always existed from all eternity, and will continue to exist throughout all the eternities to come. Every intelligent being must have the power of choice, and God brings forth the results of the acts of his creatures to promote his kingdom and subserve his purposes in the salvation and exaltation of his children. If the Lord could have his own way, he would have all the human family to enter into his church and kingdom, receive the Holy Priesthood and come into the celestial kingdom of our Father and God, by the power of their own choice." (Journal of Discourses, 11:272). Or this one: in 1855 Young said, "The conduct of the whites towards the slaves will, in many cases, send both slave and master to hell. This statement comprises much in a few words. The blacks should be used like servants, and not like brutes, but they must serve. It is their privilege to live so as to enjoy many of the blessings which attend obedience to the first principles of the Gospel, though they are not entitled to the Priesthood." (Journal of Discourse 2:184)
However, if I misunderstand you and your point is in fact to find inflammatory and offensive statements by Brigham Young then you have succeeded in finding one of many if not hundreds and keep it as it is. There is no justifying it or finding a better way to interpret such a statement.
And given that you recognized the change made in 1978 I am sure you are familiar with what the LDS Church leaders have said about earlier justifications and explanations about this subject: they don't matter. We have a living Prophet to teach us what Heavenly Father would have us know and do at this time, regardless of what He may have told them to do 150 years ago.
Thank you for your time in considering my input for your entry — Preceding unsigned comment added by R3miguy (talk • contribs) 12:05, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
- I think we should avoid trying to decide what we as individuals think would be an appropriate reflection of Young's speeches and teachings. A better approach for an encyclopedia to take is to consider what other sources report on in this regard. It just so happens that the quote that is included is one that is very commonly quoted in works about Young. This may indeed be because authors have searched out the most "inflammatory" statement they can find, but when authors have done this time and time again, it's fair for an encyclopedia to reflect that, I think. The other quotes you have included are legitimate and are interesting, but they are seldom referred to by other sources. Good Ol'factory (talk) 20:59, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Did you know Brigham Young lived in Auburn, NY as well? This is known fact and documented[edit]
Brigham Young, worked in Auburn , NY as a Carpenter ,glazier, and painter apprentice for John C. Jeffries Woodworking shop when he turned 16. Owners of several old houses in Auburn today claim the distinction of having a "Brigham Young mantelpiece." Before that (1816) he worked as a "chore boy" for Reed and Wadsworth Farms on W. Genesee St., and worked in what was claimed "the oldest asparagus bed in the county" on the corner of Grover St.
Dr. Sylvester Willard wrote an extensive paragraph in his diary, expressing unrestrained jubilation on the report of the death of that "libertine" Brigham Young. Dr. Willard utterly despised Young. According to Prof. Walter Long, one of the mantles in what is now the Cayuga Museum was crafted by Young. Perhaps in the course of his work, he made an advance on one of the Willard daughters..,(my speculation) which might explain Willard's wrath. Willard regarded himself as a "humble Christian man," (as long as not too much strain was manifest on his funds) and was often forgiving of most human failings. He further regarded his daughters a perfect examples of the fair sex. Neither of them ever married. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 19:14, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
- Where are the references that support this claim? Without them, there isn't much that can be done with this material. -- 220.127.116.11 (talk) 18:26, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
The answer is simple - You can contact the Cayuga County Museum, Auburn, NY. Hope that helps. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 09:18, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- That would not be considered a reliable source; since information gathered this way is by definition not published, it is not considered verifiable to Wikipedia's standards. -- 220.127.116.11 (talk) 01:24, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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A recent contrib to this article (dif) butchers the name of the LDS Church. Can someone fix this? I can't because this article is semi-protected. -- 126.96.36.199 (talk) 18:20, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
- Done--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 18:24, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Succession Crisis[edit]
This statement "These recollections indicate an experience of some kind that persuaded them that the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles was to lead the church with Young as the Quorum's President" is POV. Whether or not the Young's election inspired the recollections or the recollections inspired Young's election is matter of considerable historical debate. The statement can be easily neutralized by swapping it with the preceding sentence and removing the allusion to the recollections: "The majority in attendance were persuaded that the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles was to lead the church with Young as the Quorum's President"Mormography (talk) 12:55, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
- For this article to be objective, we must allow accounts of Young's alleged transformation of voice and appearance to that of Joseph Smith. To leave it out would be a violation of WP's policy on verifiable sources. An explanation of what persuaded a majority of the people in attendance to vote for Young as the new Church leader is both appropriate and necessary for this article. I for one vehemently object to the change you propose. Unless the consensus decides to omit the material and implement this change, I say, why don't you leave well enough alone? --Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable (talk) 01:38, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
- I think perhaps what could be done to satisfy both sides is that we do not delete mentioning such accounts, but rather that we rephrase it to allow for the possibility that Young's election inspired the recollections rather than vice versa. This is an issue that has been debated by various historians (including believing Mormon researchers such as Richard S. Van Wagoner) and I don't think there is a consensus view on the issue among historians. But what is not in dispute is that there were dozens of these types of recollections years after the fact, but none in the immediate years following 1847. Good Ol'factory (talk) 01:55, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
- Jgstokes, it is not a matter of leaving well enough alone as it is a matter that has been contested for sometime. It is not clear from your response if you genuinely do not understand or are just pretending. The what has describe by Good Olfactory, in the article footnotes, and here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succession_crisis_(Latter_Day_Saints)#Conference_of_August_8.2C_1844 is what you have not addressed. The POV in the article now will need to be removed according to wikipedia policy until you figure out how to eloquently included the discussion in the article. Mormography (talk) 01:36, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
- Jgstokes, also please note that your argument that "we must allow accounts of Young's alleged transformation" was never disputed in the proposed or implement changes. The proposed and implemented changes do not remove mention of these accounts, just the POV spin.Mormography (talk) 01:50, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Caricature of Young's Wives[edit]
I'd just like to note that I feel slightly uneasy about the cartoon of Young's wives included in this article. I see from the Archive to this talk page that in the past there's been a little discussion of this, but there didn't seem to me to be any overwhelming strength of opinion one way or the other. Personally, I find the picture a little disquieting in the way it is presented: I don't think plural marriage was really like that. It's slightly un-nerving to see it presented in quite this way in an article about a man who many people believe was simply doing his best during a time of great difficulty for his community. I don't particularly want to censor the cartoon, but is there some way it can be attached to discussion of non-LDS criticism of LDS doctrines, so that it is more fairly presented in context? Thank you. RomanSpa (talk) 00:00, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
- Appropriateness in this article aside, the cartoon references the apocryphal "long bed" story (and illustration) found in chapter 15 of Mark Twain's 1872 book Roughing It. This would have been far more recognizable to a well-read audience at the time of BY's death in 1877 than it is today. We do also have Latter Day Saints in popular culture (previously named "Portrayals of Mormons in popular media"), which attempts to give general cultural context to depictions like this. -- 22.214.171.124 (talk) 17:50, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
New Scholarship[edit]
I'd like to suggest expanding the section on Young's polygamous marriages, in light of new scholarship by John G. Turner in his book, "Brigham Young: Pioneer Prophet." Turner's research shows some of the tensions within the Young family as a result of polygamy, including Young's fondness and even preference for Amelia Folsom, his taking on younger wives in his later years, and the disparate support the various women received from Young. Turner's book should also be included in the reference section, or a further reading section. Jphatch (talk) 20:24, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
- What you call "new scholarship", other Wikipedians would refer to as violating WP standards of NPOV. The subject of Young's polygamy should be and has been treated neutrally. As it now stands, it provides an impartial view of the subject. But all of this is, of course, just MHO. I would be willing to participate in a discussion about this with other Wikipedians, and if they decide to include this new information, I am sure it could be done in a neutral way. If the consensus wants it, I would have no objection including it. It just seems a little anti-polygamy anti-Young, and we must always be careful with such sources to ensure that the NPOV is preserved. That's my two cents on the matter. Any other thoughts? --Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable (talk) 04:00, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
- As pointed out by Craig L. Foster in this [1] article in Interpreter: A Journal of Mormon Scripture it seems that the complaints about Brigham Young taking younger wives largely come from August Adams Cobb, who quite possibly had severe mental health issues, and should not be taken as representative of the views of anyone else.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:18, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Use of Quotes[edit]
The following quote in the section "Controversial Teachings" has been edited by an anonymous user (126.96.36.199 as of Sept. 23, 2014):
- In 1863, Young stated "Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so...For their abuse of that race, the whites will be cursed, unless they repent."
A previous version of the article omits the last sentence and I reverted the change only to have it added again. Anonymous user claims that the additional sentence is necessary for understanding what Brigham Young was talking about in the speech. Without it, anonymous claims, the quote is simply "selective and inflammatory" and ought to be removed if not placed in context.
I reviewed the source from which the quote is taken and disagree with the necessity of the additional sentence for a few reasons. First, the beginning and end of the quote (as anonymous has changed it to read) are separated by nearly an entire paragraph of text. Removing this much of a quote without explanation is unacceptable in nearly all styles of writing. Second, the topic that the quote is used in is on the LDS Church prohibiting men of African ancestry from being ordained to the priesthood. Young, in the sentence in question, is clearly talking about slavery. If anonymous wishes to create a section on Young's views on slavery, the sentence would be perfect and I would not contest it. Third, and this is just the feeling I get rather than speaking with anonymous individually, the addition of the sentence with the reasoning given seems to have been simply to protect Young from looking bad in what is otherwise a fairly WP:NPOV article. Carlaldrich (talk) 19:01, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- Based in the section the current quote is included in the article, it implies that Brigham Young said that interracial marriage warranted the capital punishment, when no where else in his writing I can find such a statement. But, reading this quote in context, it is clear that Brigham Young was not referring to whether blacks should be allowed to hold the priesthood or not, nor was he referring to interracial marriages when he referred to "mixing blood", but he was referring to slavery and other abuses done by whites to blacks (emphasis mine):
The rank, rabid abolitionists, whom I call black-hearted Republicans, have set the whole national fabric on fire. Do you know this, Democrats? They have kindled the fire that is raging now from the north to the south, and from the south to the north. I am no abolitionist, neither am I a proslavery man; I hate some of their principles and especially some of their conduct, as I do the gates of hell. The Southerners make the negroes, and the Northerners worship them; this is all the difference between slaveholders and abolitionists. I would like the President of the United States and all the world to hear this.
Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so. The nations of the earth have transgressed every law that God has given, they have changed the ordinances and broken every covenant made with the fathers, and they are like a hungry man that dreameth that he eateth, and he awaketh and behold he is empty.
The following saying of the prophet is fulfilled: "Now also many nations are gathered against thee, that say, Let her be defiled, and let our eye look upon Zion. But they know not the thoughts of the Lord, neither understand they his counsel: for he shall gather them as the sheaves into the floor. Arise and thresh, O daughter of Zion, &c." God rules in the armies of Heaven and does his pleasure upon the earth, and no man can help it. Who can stay the hand of Jehovah, or turn aside the providences of the Almighty? I say to all men and all women, submit to God, to his ordinances and to His rule; serve Him, and cease your quarrelling, and stay the shedding of each other's blood.
If the Government of the United States, in Congress assembled, had the right to pass an anti-polygamy bill, they had also the right to pass a law that slaves should not be abused as they have been; they had also a right to make a law that negroes should be used like human beings, and not worse than dumb brutes. For their abuse of that race, the whites will be cursed, unless they repent.
I am neither an abolitionist nor a pro-slavery man. If I could have been influenced by private injury to choose one side in preference to the other, I should certainly be against the pro-slavery side of the question, for it was pro-slavery men that pointed the bayonet at me and my brethren in Missouri, and said, "Damn you we will kill you." I have not much love for them, only in the Gospel. I would cause them to repent, if I could, and make them good men and a good community. I have no fellowship for their avarice, blindness, and ungodly actions. To be great, is to be good before the Heavens and before all good men. I will not fellowship the wicked in their sins, so help me God.
- You are reading surreptitious motives into my edit that I do not have. He clearly was referring to the slavery, the "shedding of each other's blood", "For [whites] abuse of that race", based on the context of the quote. So I contend that either the quote should be amended to clarify, or removed. Thanks. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 20:47, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for responding. I noticed this section of this talk page after adding my comments that touches on this quote, so it's obviously not a new issue with this article: Talk:Brigham_Young#Edit_request_from_.2C_21_October_2011. I'm not entirely sold on the necessity of the added sentence in the context of where the quote is placed and I also don't feel that it is taken out of context. However, I see where you are coming from in that it may be too far away from the issue of blacks and priesthood and could be removed altogether. The other information in the paragraph is probably sufficient. I say we leave it as-is for a few days and see if someone else can offer an opinion before removing or altering the quote.
- There appear to be multiple articles that deal with the issue of African ancestry and Mormonism: Wikipedia search for "Mormon" and "black". Perhaps a good project for someone would be to combine some of them and fix the multiple issues on them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlaldrich (talk • contribs) 22:08, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- Comment. This is probably a matter of interpretation that could be taken in different ways by different individuals, but all sources that I have seen that have commented on Young's quote discuss the quote with the understanding that it is about a restriction on interracial marriage, or more specifically, interracial sex or interracial procreation. The key words seem to be "mixes [the] blood"; I find it difficult to accept that this means anything other than procreation involving two parties of different races. Of course, what really matters is not our individual interpretations, but what secondary sources say about this. I think the issues related to slavery are no doubt related, as evidenced by Young bringing them up in the same sermon, but I don't think we need to "mix" the issues (bad pun intended) by including the ellipsis and the added phrase as proposed. Unless someone can point to some reliable secondary sources which interpret all this differently. But as it stands the article needs to make it clear that this quote is not directly related to the priesthood ban as such, but rather relates to his opinion on interracial relationships. Good Ol'factory (talk) 23:08, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- Comment. I'm inclined to agree that drawing these two quotes together with ellipses in the way that anonymous proposed would create an impression that I don't think is warranted based on the source material. I also agree, however, that this quote seems misplaced in the current article. It's not an opinion specifically on blacks and the priesthood - the subject of the paragraph where it's currently placed - but rather on interracial unions. It is certainly, however, controversial and therefore in my opinion probably merits mention under the "Controversial Teachings" section, albeit with more context.Spinner145 (talk) 16:07, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Early period[edit]
I suggest adding the following information, based closely on the recent Turner biography:
- He did not join the movement immediately, but stood on the fringe for another year, closely monitoring the moral behavior of the converts. After two of his brothers converted, he did join, and immediately dedicated himself as a full-time missionary and church activist. At age 31 Young was Of medium height, hearty, barrel chested, with Sandy red hair, clean-shaven, with blue-gray eyes. He had lived a life of poverty and hardship, with little or no formal education, but with an intense religiosity. Mormonism resembled the radical evangelical culture of the intensely religious "burned over district" of upstate New York. It emphasized practices that were otherwise out of fashion, such as speaking in tongues, and prophecy. Young converted to Mormonism because it satisfied a profound skepticism based in his rationalism and intense reading of the Bible. It displayed all the spiritual gifts that he demanded that for testimony.[ref] John G. Turner, Brigham Young: Pioneer Prophet (Harvard University Press, 2012) pp 27-31[/ref] Rjensen (talk) 07:51, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
- You have to allow people time to respond. As I learned early in my Wikipedia career, a few hours doesn't cut it. I will revert your edit until the consensus has a chance to respond.--Jgstokes (talk) 05:38, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
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How's it feel to be on strike ( while making $25.00 and you turn down an 8% raise ) and no one even notices..If you can be replaced with a contractor and you still go on strike you deserve to end up working for minimum wage delivering pizza's.
You have never told me what was going on here you keep saying these guys are on strike so you either have no clue what is actually happening with this or are very stupid there is a major difference between a strike and being locked out!
Or is this you Tony trying to make yourself look good?
You must be NUTS you state the union wouldn't let them vote REALLY the union voted on the contract on 11-24-2013 and voted not to accept the concessions and you state they wanted to change healthcare for retirees ( there aren't that many) not sure if you know this but when you vote to cut retirees healthcare when you retire you are one of the retirees with less health care plus you forgot to mention that they wanted to change pension terms also.
You sound like one of the people that hear something and since you heard it that makes it the truth do a little research on your own don't just look to one source for all your info maybe you could find out there is more to a story than just the Altoona news!
You guessed it. I'm Tony Alexander and i have nothing better to do than sit here in my office over looking the beautiful Ohio river.& post on a message board. Are you nuts ? I quess i better disclose that i am not Tony Alexander..If you read the local Altoona , Pa news you will see that the company made it's last best offer to the union which included an 8% pay raise. The average pay is about $25.00 an hour not including overtime. They wanted to change the healthcare benefits for the retirees ( there aren't that many ) the union leaders would not allow the union members to vote on the offer so the company moved on. Most union members are democrats so why make a big deal out of health care when they voted for obama and obamacare. The president promised to take care of them.
If they got hired by Domino's they'd form a union, demand $27.00 an hour and go on strike if they didn't get it.
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I have an old Iver Johnson 12 guage single shot. The only serial number I see is figu. Make is Champion. The latch is on top. Any idea what its worth?
hello ,,your IJ shotgun isn't worth alot but should be worth around 75 bucks mabey 100 if it's pretty clean..
your shotgun with that serial# probably makes it a 1909 1910 one of the first made. here is the code.
g=9 (fitchburg is the town where Ivers were produced)
so you have the 1297 th one made. I would not take less than 200 for it with that serial number.
If the serial number is all letters then it was made approximately 1940-1956. Guns from 1909-1919 were all numbers in the serial number. Depending on condition, typical value is from $75.00 to $175.00. You may get a bit more depending on where you are and how badly someone wants it if it's in top shape. It would be worth a bit more if it were a less common gauge like the .410.
can anyone tell me the worth ofiv championser.#8363xi 12 gague
Iver Johnson used letters instead of numbers from 1937-1940 i have one in mint cond,was told from old gun dealer worth 250 to 300
I have one that is HFGC can you tell me how old it is 410 champion thanks
The Champion was made from 1909 to 1956.... What's it serial number?
I got an Iver johnson champion 12 gauge singl shot with the serial number ITFB how much is it worth and what year is it.
The Iver Johnson Champion was made between 1909 and 1956, it is valued at;
Exc. Cond: $250.00 USD
V.G. Cond: $200.00 USD
Good Cond: $150.00 USD
Hope this helps
Serial #840
were is the ser # located on the iver johnson all mine has is a pat# april 2,01 and april 15,02 with champion above
The Ivers 12 ga Champion. In our possession has serial #63443 how old & what's the value, used very much.
You can't narrow it down to an exact date but it was made between 1909 to the early 1920's. Value all depends on condition of gun and the gauge. 12 gauge is the most common. Where I am, for a typical average condition 12 gauge, one would have a hard time getting $125.00-$150.00. It will bring more if in excellent condition but still only around the $200.00 mark. One that has never been fired will bring a bit more but those are rare. If the gun was a smaller gauge, like .410 or 28 gauge, it would bring higher prices.
dont know its faded out but it has a uxx underneath it right behind the trigger guard. Can you help me idiendify at all?
I have a 410 guage Iver Johnson. It has Champion, Iver Johnson Arms and Cycle works stamped on the side, and it is serial number GIXC. I would classify it as being in good to very good condition. Can you tell me what it might be worth.
Guns with letters for the serial numbers were most likely made in the late 30's and 40's. A .410 closer to the "very good" side of condition will bring around $175.00-$200.00. Closer to the "good side of condition will be around $150.00. If you have an excellent example with all case colors it should bring $200.0-$300.00, closer to $300.00 if mint. Of course where you are located could have an impact on price as well as how badly someone wants one in given condition for whatever gun is being sold.
It will be a full choke barrel and the gun was made betewwn 1930--1939. Value will be affected to a degree by where you are and condition of gun. Right now where I am, a 16 gauge in average condition will only bring $75.00-$100.00. Price will climb some as the condition improves with like new, unfired guns bringing the most.
I have an iver Johnson 410 # 11995XH any idea what year and possible value
Should be between 1930 to 1940. .410's usually fetch more money. However, condition is everything. As we don't know the condition, it could be anywhere from $75.00 for a rough one to as high as maaaaaybe $300.00 for one like new. Average condition would be around $150.00.
as with all guns the price is determined by the overall condition, inside and out.
I have a 12ga IJ Champion serial # 44912. Only Has family sentimental value but would like to determine how old it is.
Made in the period 1909-1917. There are no records to give a more exact date.
Thanks "two old dogs". I've had it for 35 yrs it was given to me by my grandfather (born in 1908). It was his older brother's gun. I'v cleaned it up to give to one of my sons. Please allow me to ask a couple more questions?
When it says "12ga choke bore" what is that compared to full choke? And "barrel and lug forged in one"?
Your Champion Model likely has a full choke which was standard.
Barrel and lug forged in one indicates one piece construction of the barrel and locking lug area rather than a mono-bloc system where the barrel was threaded or brazed into a separate forged and machined breech section containing the locking lug .
Thanks again 😃
I just inherited my great grandfathers Iver Johnson Champion serial # 52540 C it says C a bit crooked and not right after the serial, so i'm wondering if the C has something to do with the serial?
The "C" is a suffix to the serial number. Your shotgun was made in the period 1917-1921. There are no records to give a more exact date.
any information on serial # RGUX


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Wesley Kenerly Helm
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Feb. 27, 1822
Montgomery County
Virginia, USA
Oct. 30, 1871
Muscatine County
Iowa, USA
Wesley Kenerly Helm was born Feb 27, 1822 in Blacksburg, Montgomery County, Virginia, and died Oct 30, 1871 in Muscatine, Muscatine County, Iowa of typhoid at the age of 49.
He married Charlotte Houtz on Oct 21, 1851 in Muscatine County, Iowa. She was the daughter of Leonard Houtz and Sarah Whitmer. She was born Jul 31, 1834 and died Jul 8, 1906 at the age of 71.
The 1852 Iowa state census for Muscatine County, Cedar Township lists Wesley Helm household as containing one male and one female, for a total of two. The household contained one voter and one militia member. (Roll IA_120, line 4)
The 1854 Iowa state census for Muscatine County, Seventy Six Township, lists Wesley K. Helm as the head of a family containing three males and four females, for a total of seven. Since they had only one living daughter at the time (Sarah Catherine, b. 1853), the identities of the others are unknown. The household contained one voter and one militia member. This household was listed immediately above the household of Leonard Houtz (Charlotte's father). (Roll IA_123, line 22)
The family was not enumerated in the 1856 Iowa State census for Seventy Six Township.
The 1860 federal census for Iowa, Muscatine County, Lake Township (Roll 337, page 690 or 54) lists the W. K. Helm family as follows: W. K. Helm, 37, born in Va; Charlotte, 26, born in Ohio; and the following four children born in Iowa: Sarah C., 7; Luella, 5; John L., 3; and Charles E., 1. Wesley was listed as a farmer, with real estate valued at 1500 and personal estate valued at 400.
The 1870 federal census for Iowa, Muscatine County, Lake Township (Roll 413, page 11 in ink or 148 typed) lists the Wesley Helms family as above, with all children born in Iowa: Wesley, 48; Charlotte, 35; Kate, 16; Louella, 15; Elizabeth, 10; Mary, 8; Georgia, 5; Wesley, 3; and Lilley, 1. Fred Hurd, 14, laborer, was living with them. Wesley was listed as a farmer, with value of personal estate at 1000.
On Nov 4, 1871, Charlotte filed the following petition in the Muscatine County Court:
"State of Iowa, Muscatine County
"To the Honorable Circuit court for Muscatine County Iowa
"The petition of the undersigned respectfuly showeth, that she is the widow of the late Wesley K. Helm, of this county, who died on the 30th day of October last past, and that her said Husband died without making a will.
"The undersigned therefore petitions your honorable Court, that she, the wife of the said deceased, shall be appointed administratrix to administer upon the estate of her said deceased husband.
"Muscatine County Iowa November 4, 1871 (signed) Charlotte Helm"
On Nov 11, 1871, the following Administrator's Bond was filed in the Muscatine County, Iowa court:
"Know all Men by these Presents, That Charlott Helm as principal, and Jacob H. (?) Barger, Geo Bake as sureties, all of the County of Muscatine, in the State of Iowa, are held and firmly bound unto the County aforesaid, for the use of all persons herein concerned, in the penal sum of One Thousand Dollars, for the payment of which, well and truly to be made, we do jointly and severally bind ourselves and our lawful representatives. Witness our hands this 4th day of November A. D. 1871.
"The condition of the above Obligation is such, That, whereas, the above named Charlott Helm has been appointed by the Circuit Court of said County, sitting as a Court of Probate, Administratrix of the estate of Wesley K. Helm, deceased, late of said County, who died intestate on or about the 30th day of October A. D. 1871, to administer all and singular the goods and chattels, moneys, rights and credits according to law. . ."
The inventory of his estate is shown in the photocopies following the photographs of his children.
The following document was filed in the Muscatine County, Iowa court on Nov 9, 1871:
"Allowance to Widos, &c.
"The undersigned, Appraisers of the Estate of Wesley K. Helm deceased, hereby allow, for the support of the widow, and six minor chilren under the age of fifteen years, of said decedent, for one year from his death, the sum of Five Hundred fifty Dollars.
"Witness our hands this 9th day of November 1871 (signed by three appraisers)."
Also on Nov 9, 1871, Charlotte filed the additional document:
"State of Iowa, Muscatine County -- SS:
"I Charlotte Helm being duly sworn, on oath do say that I have posted up five Notices, of which the annexed is a true copy, in five public places in Muscatine County, State of Iowa on the 9th day of November A. D. 1871. (signed) Charlotte Helm
"Sworn and subscribed to by the said Charlotte Helm before me and in my presence this 25th day of November A. D. 1871. Samuel McNutt, Notary Public"
The following public notice was attached:
"Notice of Administration
"Notice is hereby given that letters of Administration on the estate of Wesley K. Helm late of Muscatine County, State of Iowa, deceased, were on the 4 day of November A. D. 1871, duly granted to the undersigned by the Circuit Court of said County.
"All persons indebted to said estate are requested to make immediate payment to the undersigned at (blank)
"All persons holding claims against said estate are requested to file them in the office of the Clerk of said Court."
The children of Wesley Kenerly Helm and Charlotte Houtz were all born in a log cabin on the banks of the Cedar River, Muscatine County, Iowa, and were:
i Almedia, b. Aug 22, 1852, d. Aug 23, 1852
ii Sarah Catherine (Kate), b. Nov 12, 1853, d. Aug 3, 1871 (typhoid fever, contracted from a cousin she attended)
iii Luella Independence (Ella), b. Jul 4, 1855, m. Benjamin A. Fletcher on Apr 24, 1881, d. Oct 27, 1933, 7 children
iv John L., b. Jan 12, 1857, d. May 22, 1867
v Charles Elliot, b. Mar 15, 1859, d. Mar 15, 1867
vi Elizabeth Eva (Bertha), b. Sep 23, 1860, m. John Storm on Mar 9, 1881, d. Aug 24, 1943
vii Mary Frances (Mollie), b. Apr 19, 1862, m. Charles Stuart Dempster on Aug 30, 1887, d. Jan 21, 1938
viii Susan Carrie, b. Feb 1, 1864, d. Jul 9, 1864
*ix Georgia Anna, b. Jun 19, 1865, m. William Boon Vennink on Nov 2, 1882 and George Hutchinson on Mar 3, 1916, d. Feb 24, 1932
x Wesley Daniel, b. Apr 15, 1867, m. Clara L. Dempster on Jan 31, 1893, d. Jul 1953
xi Lillie Dale Grace, b. Mar 11, 1869 , m. Victor E. Hulce on Mar 18, 1886
xii Thomas Edward Montgomery, b. Jan 9, 1871, m. Anna Margaret Vennink (sister of William Boon Vennink) on Apr 4, 1900, d. Mar 10, 1927
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February 13,2012Emma
Yesterday, as you probably know, took place the most anticipated event in music – Grammy Awards. A part of the second theatrical The Hunger Games trailer aired during the show and you can see it below. It's very similar to the previous one.
Thanks for the tip, Monika! :)