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Family Rules: 4 things to keep up the pressure
- Campaigns
- Families
The encouraging thing about the family immigration Rule changes introduced in July this year is the reaction. Aside from the indignation and anger, there is a determined core of people affected who are looking for every avenue to exploit to pressurise legislators and let everyone know their feelings and the actual effects ofthe rules.
Tell the Liberal Democrats
While we are certain to target all legislators, the Lib Dems seem to be in a contrite kind of mood at the moment. People on the I Love My Foreign Spouse facebook group (do check it out and get involved, it's one of the livelier and more constructive facebook groups about) are currently targeting Liberal Democrats, sensing a discrepancy between previous statements and voting behaviour from the MPs and their silence over the July Rule changes.
They are organising to get people to write their own personal letters to the Lib Dem haedquarters - why not include some family photos, wedding snaps or family stories to further personalise the case and take the issue away from dry policy making and into the real world?
The address of the Liberal Democrats is: 8-10 Great George Street, London SW1P 3AE, perhaps you might address your letter to Tim Farron, MP who is Leader of the Party.
Elderly Dependent Relatives - sign the petition
The rules determining whether an elderly depedent relative might join their adult children in the UK are especially Kafka-esque. We've hosted a blog on this previously and as our guest author points out there, the rules basically insist your elderly dependent relative must essentially be unfit to get on a long haul flight before they are eleigible to come to the UK.
Activists have started up an e-petition on this specific aspect of the Rule changes. If 100,000 people sign it there will be an obligatory debate on the floor of the House of Commons. That's a big if, and to achieve this target it means absolutely all your friends, workmates and family - for thousands of us.
Coalition of Organisations Coalescing
A number of groups have held a couple of meetings so far to discuss the formation of a free-standing campaign group, likely to be called the Divided Families Campaign. JCWI and Migrants' Rights Network took the lead on this initiative and have been joined in discussion by representatives from, amongst others, Migrant Voice, Migrant and Refugee Community Forum, Unison, Refugee Council, Kanlungan, Coram Children's Legal Centre. Nothing formal has yet been established, but do watch this space.
Looking for case studies
JCWI casework department is intereste in hearing from people with specific circumstances who have been adversely affected by the Rule changes. We are particularly interested in women who are earning beloew £18,600 due to childcare responsibilities and are separated from their spouse as a result. If your situation matches this scenario, please contact JCWI by email at email@example.com or by pohone o n 020 7251 8708.
We will not tire from working out a way of defeating these iniquitous rules, stay in touch and we'll keep you in the loop.
I think it is a good idea to form a free standing campaign group to UNITE all of us affected by the new rules.
I also think one e petition to challenge the rules ,entire, would be more successful in reaching the 100,000 signatures needed.
It is time for all the little fish to join together to fight the big fish !
I am a single mum ,working part time and cannot earn £18600 , my plans to marry my non EU partner have been put in turmoil by these rules.
I am in complete despair .
I did email Tim farron and all I got was an AUTO acknowledgement ! From experince in sending emails to various politicians about the unfair and draconian rules of Theresa May , I know I will not get a reply no matter how many reminders I send . So much for the oft repeated comments of Lib Dem MPS about their belief in FAIRNESS which is part of being a Lib Dem !! I assume they say that for political purposes .
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What I found most demoralising was the reaction - there was almost none. The general public seem to agree with the changes, influenced heavily by our abysmal media. The feelings from people I meet in every day life are against immigration due to the many false beliefs being pushed. None of the political parties have opposed this, and the low point was when Labour's Yvette Cooper said they agree with the changes. The Lib Dems have stood idly by.
Now this is passed, and with the general anti immigration mood, I cannot see how any party will have the will or means of reversing these changes without destroying there poll ratings. I am now fully committed to the nightmare of building a life in one of the poorest countries in the world, where I am not even allowed to work and losing all my family and possessions in the process.
Ultimately I blame the media for false representation. Indeed with the above Yvette Cooper interview by Andrew Neil, the BBC started with illegal immigration and the rape of the young girl. Perhaps the economic damage these rules will bring may cause some reversal, the UK needs immigrants, especially students who should never have been classed as immigrants in the first place.
There is no greater evil than that done by people who destroy lives from behind a desk.
hi Kev,
Your posting sums up the situation exactly and In agree with everything you say . Geronimo often gives the same message on the other thread and Government Ministers such as Damien Green even make false statements such as " smattering of english " to Andrew Neil to deceive the British public and of course Andrew Neil was uninformed and did not challenge it - shame on him for not checking it out later and he ignored my emails to him on that matter ! I thought he might be a fair minded person . Even my neighbour believed the media anti immigration hype until I told my story and how I and others are denied a family life by Theresa May simply because our fiancees or wives are not from an EU country - discrimination ! The neighbour quickly got my point and said " each case should be judged on it's merits and the one size fits all policy is wrong and unfair ". But Cameron and May do not give a hoot about the way the May rules are inhumane and unfair and destroy and tear families apart and focus solely on helping their re-election chances ! What disgusting and contemptible human beings they are and both profess to be christians but spit on christian values of fairness and compassion .
Barbara French ,
hear hear ! It would be more effective and at least ensure a debate takes place in parliament where a brave MP if there is ONE could expose the lies and NONSENSE told by Ministers to deceive the general public to justify their political aims .( assimilation, ghettos etc ). The position PRIOR to the introduction of the new regulations in November 2010 was more than edequate in ensuring that only genuine visa applicants were successful and also would not be claiming benefits .
copy of my email to Tim farron hereunder . He only sent an auto acknowledgement and not hopeful of ghetting a response but perhaps he will surprise me !
dear Mr Farron,
I occasionally post on MRN site about the heartless, cruel and inhumane regulations introduced by Theresa May with the sole aim of reducing net immigration numbers ( family immigration is a small proportion anyway ) to assist the Tory government's re-election prospects in 2015 . I show below my comments on the MRN site to a fellow poster who said you were one of the few MPs who will respond to someone who is not their constituent . If this is so , you are a person who deverves respect . I was a lifelong tory but am now ashamed to say that after now realising they really are the "nasty party" after being affected by the harsh , uncaring policy on family immigration which lacks any sesnse of compassion or concern as to how the rules impact on and cause stress and unhappiness to UK citizens and their partners who have never made and will not make a claim for benefits ( false statements made on this matter to mislead the UK public and make them unaware of the real motive , ie political , for the draconian rules brought in since November 2010 !! ). I and others who know what is going on in our "democracy" would never vote Tory again and the policy on family immigration is almost akin to what one would expect under Stalin or Hitler ( that is not an exaggeration as they had no concern about splitting up familes either ! ) .
Hoping for a brief comment when you have a moment and hopefully you can support the fight to expose May and her cohorts such as Damien Green and the false statements they make .
thanking you ,
Peter James .
hi Christopher ,
I have to say that the lib dem MP, Tim Farron is wrong in saying that there was previously a specific income limit for sponsors but his brief is not immigration and he would not know that I suppose . There was not an income limit as such or it would have been referred to on the UKBA site which most of us scrutinise before a fiancee or spouse visa is made by our partners .( of course the UKBA might not have declared the figure which might not surprise us as the whole thing is a money making racket and they therefore might not want to discourage people paying the whooping visa fee without being aware the visa application had no chance of success.). Before the new income limit was introduced recently , the sponsor had to prove tgo th UKBA that his or her partner was highly unlikley to make a claim for benefits for "several" years from arrival date . Most of us could do that if we had a job or if over 65 had a pension and cash assets etc . The new onerous income rule was brought in by Theresa May with the sole objective of reducing family immigration numbers to help their 2015 re-election prospects as were her other regulations such as the language test brought in in November 2010 . Of course May and Green talk about it helping migrants to assimilate and avoid finishing up in a ghetto ( Green said that in a reply to me through my MP !! ) and Green and Grant Shapps even made false statements on TV programmes ( "smattering of english " and £5600 income limit) to deceive the British public and keep them unaware of the real reason for the draconian regulations ). It is sad that no labour or Lib Dem MP will expose the false statements made by Green and Shapps and drag out of them the motive for the falsehoods .
My own Tory MP is a big supporter of all the new regulations describing them as fair but no way he would say that if a member of his own family was affected by the rules such as if the family member had a none EEA spouse or partner and could not live in the UK with that partner simply because the partner could not overcome the obstacles put in her or his way by Theresa May . He would then quickly change his tune of course which seems to show total insincerity and how disingenuous he is ! He will not even discuss the issues with me or even allow me to meet him at his surgery to listen to amendments I would suggest - and I thought we lived in a democracy !!
I made an inadvertant error in my post to Christopher as it was Grant Shapps and NOT Tim Farron who made that statement about previous income limit .
Barbara i have sent you a pm to your fb i saw you on Chris fb page so you can use that as a private link to me . Does anyone know when the first test case is going to be likely heard . My application will go through October . I got to come back on here im being banned from everywhere i dont do polite i have been banned from the lib-dem facebook page from writing any comments and i must have been blocked altogether from conservative fb page because i cant see that at all now banned from other blog cant these people take the truth .
I so agree that this "smattering" of English is a total fabrication...My husband has been trying to pass the KET 3 times now and cant get the pass mark....I cant understand this really as we talk all the time in Skype...and he can translate the Qu'ran into English for me....I'm sure that we couldnt do the same if we were forced to learn another language .... and this is with him attending English classes in Tunisia....There's a definite problem somewhere....It's all a money making scheme for this government who are treating their own citizens as second class while bending over backwards to let EU people bring in their foreign partners without a backwards glance....
hi Sandra,
Yes, it was a total fabrication as you say and the english test is even more difficult for an applicant who is used to a different alphabet such as cyrillic alphabet used by Russians and also other countries. I know it would take me 20 years to learn their language ! iThere is no specific test at AI level as the government claim but there is a an A2 test under KETS which includes speaking, listening, writing and reading and not just the first two ( another false statement of the government !) . My best wishes to you and your husband and so sad that Human kindness and fairness plays no part in the family immigration rules dreamed up by Cameron and May .
Regardless of if May/Green et al are right or not on extending English language requirements, the exam systems that they have chosen are a minefield to negotiate. A KET is not designed for someone to enter the UK and the idea it has any relevance to the UK is wrong. Cambridge designed it for their own purposes and then the UKBA block approved all Cambridge exams, including IELTS, which contains great questions about describing graphs. If you can find a test centre, then City and Guilds exams seem to be more appropriate. Migrants from some countries have a greater choice of exam boards, which makes life easier for those from some countries, which is unfair.
My understanding is that if you are in the UK on a visit visa, then you are entitled to do an exam (but not undertake a course of study) so if anyone has visitors that they intend to marry, I would get their exam while they are here.
Just wait till October 2013 and the requirement that for Settlement you will need B1 and Life in the UK. Not met many people who would pass both of those in the last few years.
The place to learn English is here in the UK, to be immersed in it, i.e. hearing it every day and eventually speaking it, as explained by Stephen Krashen in his Input Hypothesis in 1985. But does this government consult linguists who know something about second language acquisition? Of course not!
lonely husband,
the Government are well aware of that and it is common sense . But the language test and other obstacles have been brought in by Theresa May with sole objective of reducing net immigration numbers . Of course they say it is done to help assimilation and to stop our partners finishing up in ghettos ( Damien Green's comment) but that is garbage and just an attempt to deceive the British public . They are beneath contempt and even resort to false statements on TV programmes .
does anybody know if you can cover the minimum threshold income with 2 jobs. Is it six months or 1 year u have to show
Pioro, 2 jobs should be OK but what they will look for is stability. Are those jobs fairly secure? The income needs to be maintained for 5 years and I would expect you would need to present a few months bank statements to show this employment is established.
Suggest that any one legally minded look into "Exile" at common law and see if any criminal charges can be brought against these people in the name of her Majesty's subjects.
I got married abroad in May this year. Since this new implement has come out it has been very difficult for myself to call my partner over here. I have three children I can not leave them here and go abroad and stay with my husband, the reason being is that they feel more secure with me than their own dad. I work part time and I am not earning 18,600 pound to bring my husband and this is very difficult for me to stay away from my husband.
This is the e-petition that my wife and I have been linking people to. Is this the one that other people are sharing etc? It is a general one, not age specific. https://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/34835
Does anybody know what people who applied for discretionary leave to remain because they have got a british partner and british child before 9 july 2012 will be given if they received their decision after 9 july 2012.
I am English as is my daughter of a 20yr marriage to an Italian national in Italy. She was born in England and is 14. She has AUTOMATIC DEPORTATION ON THE BASIS OF ALIAS issued to her in November 2011 during an 19month Parl Ombudsman formal investigation into listing me as Italian and her (she is a dual national) on Removal lists. They say THEY DONT KNOW WHY they did it! They ag reed to delete all records with themselves in March 2012. By August 2012 following a further SAR they had shown they had failed to comply - The ICO found them in breach of the DP ACT by September 2012.
The incorrect data continues to be held, it would appear that the U KBA are clearly NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE.
my email to the Prime Minister 's office but not hopeful of a response .
I was a lifelong tory and now hate with all my heart the Minister backed by the PM who has introduced regulations since November 2010 which prevent self supporting ( never claimed benefits !!) Uk citizens like myself from being happy with our none EU partners . Theresa May or Mr Cameron would not support such regulations if a member of their own family was affected adversely by them because that family member had a none EU spouse and could not live with that spouse in the UK as a result of May's rules ( that says it all really! ) They are unfair, inhumane and lack any semblance of human kindness . What happened to support for families or being in politics to make people's lives better and happier and not to create misery and unhappiness ??
I ask for a response and feel sick when I hear the PM and Ministers using the word " FAIRNESS" when talking about policies as it does not apply to family immigration. Family immigration has a minute effect on net immigration !
As part of the unite families group we are collating stories to bombard MPs, media, religious leaders, to show them the wide ranging and devastating impact of these new rules. EMAIL ADDRESS: email@example.com
Please send in your story...from each British persons perspective if possible I.e. yours, your child's, your parents, grandparents, siblings, cousins, friends... Etc. giving your story, including your constituency, local MP and any experience you have had with them. Photos welcome if you want them to be included.
Please also indicate if you would be available to meet up and if so, what your preferred location is.
Happy to also forward you leaflets if you are happy to hand them out at churches, mosques, temples, community centers, schools..anything to advertise this issue.
just a copy of my email to my MP but I am almost certain he will not fgant me an audience to discuss the issues! as I have asked him to a number of times in recent months ! of course he can not defend the indefensible , ie Theresa May's obnoxious , heartless and inhumane rules ( backed by Cameron) designed solely to reduce net immigration numbers in hope it will enhance the Tory government's re-election prospects in 2015 .
Dear Sir,
Thanks for letter of 18th October enclosing the Home Office letter which is much appreciated . Certainly I have more than adequate savings to pass the sponsor income test . I wish the other obstacles were so easy to overcome .
I hope you will reconsider and discuss the other issues at one of your surgeries such as suggested amendments to the rules and why a blanket one size fits all policy should be changed and each case decided on it's merits. Most people would agree that illegal immigration and immigrants who come here to avail themselves of the benefits system is not right but genuine , law abiding, self sufficient Uk citizens and their none EU partners should not be under attack as they are since Theresa May's rules brought in from 19th November 2010 . The rules prior to this date were more than adequate to ensure that only the aforementioned visa applicants were granted a visa to enter and live in Uk with their Uk spouses , ie proof that no claim for benefits would or COULD be made , a place to live comfortably was available and also that the relationship was genuine . NO changes were necessary unless the sole objective was to reduce net immigration numbers ( would only have a minor effect on numbers anyway ! ).
I hope you will agree to a meeting .
my email to britcits below .
thanks for the update and all your efforts but the truth is that the tragic stories demonstrating how their ruthless and inhumane rules impact on genuine and self supporting couples have no effect on the thinking of Cameron and his cohorts whatsoever ! They call themselves christians but i thought christian values were about compassion, human kindness and fairness . The only way to land a blow on them is to STRESS that it is all about reducing net immigration numbers ( restricting family immigration has a fairly small effect on the numbers anyway !) and ask them to disprove this - of course they can not and would be shot down in a debate as they can not defend the indefensible .
Another way to CONCLUSIVELY prove that the rules are wrong and almost evil is to ask Cameron , May and Damien Green ( now moved to another post ) if they would approve of May's regulations if one of their own family members , eg adult son or brother or sister , was adversely affected by them because that family member or their partner could not overcome one of the obstacles placed in front of them by May , ie she is effectively telling that person that he or she could of course marry the partner but could not live in the UK with them ! My own MP described all the new rules since 29th November 2010 as fair, balanced and proportionate but he , Cameron and colleagues would change their tune about that if their own family member was affected.
One thing which is not mentioned in in the "update" is the way they make false statements on TV to mislead the British public and stir the anti immigration feeling , eg. Damien Green's " smattering of english " comment to Andrew Neil which was patently UNTRUE and went unchallenged by Neil !
I hope you will include the above in your representations to members of the Lords and the Commons . I think it will have much more effect as appealing to Cameron and cohorts on basis of compassion and fairness can lead nowhere ( SADLY) as their minds are focused totally on re-election in 2015 and fairness in policies must not be allowed to get in the way of the ultimate prize ( almost said "ultimate solution" as the rules are almost what one might find in Stalin's Russia or Hitler's Germany only in the way they separate families and have NO regard for family life ( sickens me when Cameron talks about family values which he enjoys in own personal life but denies to others !!).
I will probably put this text on the JRWI site and know you will not mind .
Thanks again for all your work on this matter .
Peter James
I take your point about the Tory frontbench but they could have a family member who fell in love and married a lady who could not yet communicate well in English and would fail the english test for initial entry to the UK and May plans to make this test to BI standard later next year .
I am so angry and reeling since yesterday . After going providing countless proofs and documents and the agonising waits ,my wife received an email to visit the British embassy in Tunis to collect her passport, she was so happy but I was sceptical and,I was right because I trust neither labour nor liberal and definatley not the Tory who proclaim the slogan of big society and family togetherness .I will in due course advertise my story here. I am preparing to appeal the decision of refusal of entry but before doing I wish to know it is better to chose oral hearing or paper one? And should represent my wife if we choose oral hearing .
A solicitor once explained to me that ticking the box 'paper hearing' is 'the shortest suicide note in history'. I agree. It makes winning very hard. Oral hearings are much more winnable but you do need to get proper advice on any appeal.
I hadn't noticed that B1 will be for entry to the UK. My understanding is that from October 2013 B1 will be for Leave to Remain (ILR) not entry, which will still be A1. Not to say that they won't change it of course.
hi Jim,
I thought it was for the initial entry in support of a fiancee or spouse visa application because the ILR "life in UK " test is not a language test per se although necessary to understand english to quite a high level to be able to read the nonsensical questions . must check by googling ! Incidentally I as a Uk born man I tried the sample "life in UK test " a few times and did not achieve the 75% pass mark as the questions are so obscure and designed in hope that applicant will fail of course !
Just received a typical response from my MP's secretary after I asked my MP for a meeting at his Surgery ! It says " he is well aware of your views on the immigration rules and he is not convinced that a meeting would be a beneficial use of your time or his " . How arrogant and patronising is that but clearly shows how Tory MPs will not even listen to arguments against the draconian regulations on basis of human kindness , compassion and fairness and the political side , ie enhancing re-election prospects in 2015, is the only consideration in their minds !!
I was born in the UK, have a UK degree, postgraduate degree, PhD and have taught ESOL and Citizenship for 7 years and worked in the House of Commons for 10 years and I failed the Life in the UK test. The only way to pass it is to practice the book.
My understanding of the B1 and A1 came from the document that the gov published back in June when they changed the rules.
Ask your MP to comment on the front page of the Economist newspaper, which showed how their immigration policy was bad for Britain- which it is.
I do not use my correct name on this site and many people do not as we worry about getting on a UKBA blacklist at some stage even though this is unlikely . Hence my reluctance to disclose my high profile MPs name but I have emailed him yet again saying I am dissatisfied at his refusal to meet and might do as you suggest if he fails to reply as seems likely .
JIM - these MPs of all parties , especially the Tories, are not open to debating the issues in an intelligent way as the evil family immigration rules would be exposed as such . Their only interest is re-election in 2015 .
Admin if you want to have a hall of shame why not start with the record of Theresa May MP?
JCWI could start with the following:-
July 2010 English UK won a High Court Judicial Review against the Home Secretary when Mr Justice Foskett said- '' I do not doubt that a change in new guidance does operate to change materially the substansive criteria for foreign students'.
The Chief Exec of English UK stated it upholds our basic case that the Home Secretary was wrong to introduce substansive change'.
17 December 2010 it was reported that the JCWI and English Care won a case for skilled care workers. Lord Justice Sullivan and Mr Justice Burton said Theresa May had unlawfully attempted to side-step Parliamentary scrutiny set up under the provisions of the 1971 Immigration Act and her attempt was unlawful.
21 December 2010 Lord Justice Sedley said it was not for the Court of Appeal to rewrite the Rules! Again T May lost her case.
21 July 2012 it was reorted that Home Sec T May was found guilty of contempt of Court by Judge Barry Cotter QC in an immigration case.
15 Aug 2012 it was reported in Free Movement that Theresa May was trying to qualify a Qualified Right in the matter of Article 8 of the European Convention & UK human Rights Act.
Free Movement commented - The Home Sec purports to 'shift' the role of the Courts. But the Courts have a constitutional role in our democracy. They have a duty to act in accordance with the ECHR Article 8. Therefore it is most concerning that the Rules incorporate definitions of Article 8 that the Courts have already explicitly rejected.
This followed a case at the Supreme Court where 5 Judges unanimously ruled against T May!
What is amazing is that the press in a free democratic UK society has not publicised these Court findings against Home Secretary T May! Neither has T May been held to account in Parliament!
Ifb Britains Home Secretary is allowed to breach the Law it suggests that Britain is not a free democratic and law abiding as it would have the world believe!
as promised here are the reasons the ECO decided my wife cannot be with her husband. Below, I will mention each reason and my reply to it.
A-you have provided a copy of the a translation of a marriage cotract dated 19-06-12 . there is no evidence of tis original document with your application
R-firstly , when my wife handed in the documents to the clerk at the british embassy , the documents were checkeck including the translated marriage certificate and was told no need for the originals. Furthermore , it is absurd to mention the abscence of an original document as a reason for refusal(original translated document and the arabic marriage contract will be sent with the appeal for)
B-your sponsor has provided a copy of a divorce deed dated 10-06-08 but I note that the original document has not been submitted with your application.
R- again clerk in Tunis advised my wife no need for original deed (original will be sent with appeal form)
ECO conclusion on the above (In the light of the above I am not satisfied that your marriage/civil parternship is valid . I therefore refuse your application under pragraph EC-P.1.1(d) of appendix FN of the immigration rule (E-ECP.2.7).
2-There is no evidence provided to show that your relationship is subsisting or that you have met your sponsor
R-Although , the contents were private we provided copy of our email correspondance and we mentioned that we kept in touch using skpye and facebook (21st century communication methods), we also provided the dates we met , the date of our engagments . what else can be provided to show we met (we have over 500 photos together)
ECO conclusion:(I therefore am not satisfied your relationship with your sponsor is genuine and subsisting or you intend to live together permanently in UK. I
I therefore refuse your application under paragraph EC-P.1.1(d) of appendix FM of the immigration rules (E-ECP.2.6 &2.1).
A-your sponsor is not exempt from the financial requirements as defned paragraph E-ECP.3.3. I am not able to take into account any potential employment you have available to you in the UK or any offers of financial support from third party . In order to meet the financial requirments of the rules your sponsor needs a gross income of at least 18600 per annum.
from the evidence provided your sponsor's gross income from the employment os 16000 per annum as from 01/05/12. your sponsor has provided evidence of his earnings in 2011 which are 13919.21
R- payslips provided up until July 12 ,P60 year 11/12, letter of promotion mentioning the annual income of 16k.
-eco- you have also declared that your sponsor earns an income from another employment in the UK but there is no documentary evidence to show your sponsor still employed as claimed
R-all payslips up until July 12 was provided and P60
P60 year 11/12 were presented with the application.
-You have provided no evidence of savings held by you or your sponsor.
R-copies of bank statements for the months of mayJune and july were included along with copy of ISA (700 ) at the time even though I hade to fund the weddings and my travels back and forth to see my wife, not forgetting the deposit,month rent in advance and agency fees to pay.
ECO conclusion:I therefore refuse your application under paragraph EC-P.1.1 (d) of appendix FM of the immigration rules (E-ECP.3.1).
The evidence provided proove beyond doubt that my income well exceed the minimum of 18600 (16000 and over 5000 from the second job), we also provided a copy of wifes degree,cv and payslips of previous employment but was advised they were not neede by the embasy staff
C-You have provided your sponsor's UK tenancy agreement but I note that the tenancy expires on 31-10-12 I am therefore not satisfied that thee will be adequatley accommodation without the recourse to public funds. I therefore refuse your application under paragraph EC-P.1.1(d) of appendix FM of the immigration rumles (E-ECP.3.1)
R-unless ECO never rented in UK , most of tenancy agreements have a duration of 6 months (short tenancy agreement).At the time of the application the agreement had 3 months left on it and when the decision of refusal taken the contract still had 15 days left on it. I could not forcee that a future agreement is need neither I can see the logic of commiting to another while the present hasn't expired
ECO conclusion:
I have therefore refused your application because I am not satisfied on the balance of probabilties that you meet all of the requirements of the relevant paragraph of the united kingdom mmigration rules.
my conclusion is all the above are not reasons but excuses because ay of the claimed missing documents could have been provided within days and they were provided but my wife was advised otherwise by the Embassy staff.
dear readers any advise or comments is welcome, tomorrow I will provided the document I intend to send to them .
Note the blogs of Jim and fathi in regard to the Life in the UK Test and an applicants experience of applying for a visa.
First Jim's blog his experience. On the 13 Sept 2012 the New Statesman featured a report by Medhi Hassan that he and NS's editorial team - writers, editors, sub-editors and bloggers had all taken the existing test and had failed Miserably! Now these are educated professional people.
Medhi Hassan comments - that 'the test is now a mockery of Britishness and -the test is being deployed as a weapon in the battle to cut net migration rather than in the battle for greater community cohesion'.
Then fathi's experience which he has been good enough to report on this blog.
I am a born and bred British national with a professional education and qualifications who worked in the middle east oil industry since late 1970s. My wife is NON EU national with a Degree in Business Studies and has worked for two international companies. We own our home in the UK and my income is above the new minimum.My experience of ECOs would support fathi 100%. What Fathi has blogged I agree entirely.
But lets examine and understand, but not agree with, the reason why. We all know the policy of PM Cameron and Home Sec T May.
In the 2010 pre election pledges D Cameron made a party pledge that if elected the Tory Party would address immigration into the UK.
Well the Tory Party as we know was not elected to form a Govt. No party was. So a deal was stitched up between the Tory and Lib Dem Party's to form the Coalition. The Tory and Lib Dem sat down and laid out their pledges / interests and 'agreed' what each wanted to do in Govt.
So the Coalition Govt was formed and Cameron became PM and he appointed T May Home Sec to implement the Tory anti immigration policy.
That policy is based on a public response to immigration which has been stirred up by certain 'popular press' who use it to sell newspapers!
75% of UK voters are anti immigration so Cameron and May see their policies as a vote winner for the next general election in 2015!
May immediately embarked on implememting anti immigration rules which drew reactions in the form of Court Cases which I blogged above.
Mays policies are aimed at the less well off. In contrast people with money have been welcomed by this Govt and have bought up expensive properties in London.
So May has had stringent new rules implemented and ECOs are charged with denying applicants visas on any pretext they can find - or dream up.
Tests have been implemented which are blatantly impossibe to pass - they are designed to fail and not pass.
As more people hit these tests / rules more people pay their exorbitant fees get refused and have to apply and pay fees again. Its rich pickings for the UKBA! Anyone else operating such a system would be have the authorities on their backs but Cameron and May are prepared to defy the Courts.
Since Cameron & May took office and instead of cleaning up Labours mess they have created their own even bigger mess of which we are victims!
I suggest we all read the Daily Mail Online today which features a report that of 11,000 foreign prisoners in the UK only 62 have been deported!
There is a list of the countries the offenders come from which makes interesting reading of total from each country and numbers repatriated.
What this demonstrates is the complete disparity between the treatment of foreign prisoners and the treatment of respectable spouses of hard working tax paying Btitish citizens whoes spouses are from NON EU countires!
The official figures show that fewer offenders are being deported than when Labour was in Govt. This belies the claims of Cameron and May are going to be tough on crime.
Instead they are being tough on British citizens, breaking up their families, denying them their legal rights to a family life with rules that British Courts, British Judges have ruled are UNLAWFUL! So much for the toxic Tory nasty Party sense of Justice Family Life & Christianity!
Cameron May and all the RIGHT wing Tory MPs - all of you - HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME!
my email to Baroness Smith is below and sorry for typing errors .
dear baroness Smith .
I listened closely to your excellent speech in the Lords about the income rule for Family Immigration whicb is part of the draconian and inhumane rules brought in by Theresa May since November 2010.
The first response you received by a Tory Lord I assume was just the kind of foboff I get from my Tory MP who says the rules are fair , balanced and proportionate but would not say that if a member of his OWN family was affected adversely by one of the harsh rules . He will not even meet me at his Surgery to debate the issues as one can not defend the indefensible !
The simple truth is that the rules brought in by May with Cameron's backing are solely to reduce net immigration and enhance Tory re-election prospects in 2015 and they do not give a hoot about fairness or compassion or the misery and stress caused to genuine Uk citizens and their NONE EU spouses or partners who have not and will not make a claim for benefits . The
rules are akin to what one would expect from Stalin or Hitler .
The very difficult "life in UK " test ( the question time panel failed miserably when asked certain questions ) after 2 years in UK can also result in a wife and child being kicked out of UK if the wife fails the test and hence is not granted a ILR visa !! How cruel and inhumane is that !
With respect , I wish you had mentioned the sole reason for the rules as stated above in your speech but perhaps you will do so at first opportunity
Incidentally , I am self supporting and rather elderly and not affected by the sponsor income rule but am deprived of a family life because my lady is unable to pass the english test for initial entry ( so difficult for a Russian where they have the CYRILLIC alphabet and much harder for a lady in her fifties ). Would take me 20 years to learn Russian !!
Summing up, May's rules are evil in the extreme in the way they tear apart genuine and law abiding UK citizens and their NONE EU partners . May is in effect saying that a man or woman can marry who they wish but she will put in place as many obstacles as she can to prevent them living together in the UK . The rules in existence prior to 29th November 2010 were more than adequate to ensure that a realationship was genuine and no claim for benefits could be made in foreseeable future - evidence had to be supplied to the UKBA. ALL May's new rules should be abolished and the pre November 2010 reinstated .
I do hope you will acknowledge receipt of this email . Incidentally I was a lifelong Tory for my sins and now realise why they were called the "nasty party " .
thanking you
Peter James .
I believe Theresa May is scheduled to appear on BBC One Andrew Marr show at 0900 hours on Sunday 11 Nov 2012.
Perhaps you folks may want to contact to Andrew Marr and ask him to question T May why she has chosen to take such shameful draconian and unlawful policies against British citizens like your selves and is breaking up British families for no good reason other than to get votes?
Ask T May why she has been taken to British Courts right up to the Supreme Court where eleven British Judges have found against her unlawful policies which are splitting and destroying the family lives of free born British citizens. How can T May flout British Law so consistently?
good idea geronimo. I have sent Andrew Marr a copy of my last post on this site and asked him to raise it with Theresa May. I hope he at least reads it and considers it ! It might help if others do the same .
I have sent my e-mail to Andrew Marr already. I had copied some of your comments guys with some editing because I could not had put it any better.
well done guys get as many people as you can to spread the word the more comments Andrew Marr gets the better for our case. Obama has just got in the US 281 for Obama to Romney's 203 so I think thats a good thing. The Conservatives are getting bad press what with Hillsborough, the West Coast train fiasco, big companies getting away with paying no tax, T May now vowing to close the gaps that allow crime bosses to keep profits - why hasn't she done it before? The Tory party now have the North Wales paedo ring with a top Tory Thatcher politician named plus cameron doesn't want to show his emails to Rebeka to the public - yet they have only hit at us by denying us respectable British citizens our family lifes qwe are legally entitled to! Good on you folks get your emails in good luck G.
Dear Peter
What can I say this all new rules have upset every one. I got married in May this year and the new implement of partner earning £18.600 came out in July, since then my self and my partner decided to visit each other while my kids don't settle down. Until my kids don't settle we have decided to visit each other every six to eight months so we could stay close to each other. We both decided that he come over here during Diwali and Christmas so we can celebrate together, but unfortunately his visa been refused twice. He was going to come here just for the visit on his expense because I am working part time only. T May is a very heartless hope she was in my position and see how she feels being apart from her loved one.
dear Daksha,
I am so sorry to hear about your sad story . You are right thhat basic human kindness and fairness are not qualities of Theresa May and she and Cameron are focused on reducing net immigration numbers and they do not give a hoot about the stress and unhappiness they cause to their fellow citizens and their NONE EU spouse . It puts a new slant on " making a difference to people's lives " which is why politicians say they are in politics for ! As you say,Theresa may would not introduce such obstacles designed to break up families if she or any relative ( eg a brother or sister) was affected by the rules because they could not surmount one or more of the obstacles . I do not know how this woman can sleep at night ! My best wishes to you and your partner and let's hope our fight against this truly evil Tory government is eventually sucessful.
my further email to Andrew Marr at BBC who interviews Theresa May on sunday .
Please ask Andrew Marr to read the tragic stories on the Migrants rights network and jcwi.org.uk sites and ask Theresa May how her conscious can alow her to to do this to self supporting UK citizens and their NONE EU spouses simply to enhance Tory election prospects in 2015 as a result of slight reduction in net immigration numbers . Sueely fairness and basic human kindness should be part of policy .
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In continuation of a series of years of World at War,THIS IS A SPECIAL EDITION BASED UPON URGENT PENDING MATTERS, the following was the 2011 thread.
Thread: The World at War, Official 2011 war thread for North Korea, Iran, Israel, China, U.S.
The following is the 2012 Thread up to the end of August.
Thread: World at War, Official 2012 Thread for Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Turkey, Egypt, Pakistan, India, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S.
Now we enter into the last four months of 2012. Follow the past year to see where we are at. I try not to give much BS and only ask that if you do not care for the topic or format, do not visit this thread.
Trolls, you will be deleted or blocked, you can start your own thread if you wish, just leave us alone!
As stated at the start of 2012, 2012 will be the start of much chaos economically as well as militarily. We have gone through much doom and gloom already. But now, it is of urgency that we wait to see whether Iran goes nuclear, whether Israel takes it upon herself to attack Iran, whether the US leaves Israel to fend for herself, what the results of the US election have in store for Israel, the Mideast and the US, and what will happen in Syria.
Israel must face the challenge of a nuclear Iran with or without the U.S. to protect her. Further, Syria feels threatened as did Libya where Assad may lash out at Israel. The Hezbollah may too jump on in. Lebanon and Jordan may face their own arab spring. Egypt may tear up the Israeli peace treaty any day. Turkey looks as Israel with jealousy for Israel's gas and oil reserves in the Med.
China and Russia wish to impose retrictions on America's once global dominance where there will be more challenges to U.S. interests leading to possible military blows.
North Korea's tender young leader has no fear in challenging U.S. might and may cause further military adventurism.
Pakistan has nukes that could be stolen and/or Pakistan and the U.S. may enter into more vis a vis hotile interactions.
Iran is threatening to challenge the west and is due for a nuclear detonation soon. What the U.S./and or Israel do to stop Iran is worthy of watching every day.
Iraq is now under Iran's thumb and likely will further become a feifdom of Iran.
Afghanistan is soon to force the withdrawal of U.S. forces.
India and Pakistan may soon come to blows.
Will the global economic crisis resolve itself, will the crisis collapse the world economy, or whom may come forward with some new currency?
Further, spiritually, 2012 looks to be a year of turmoil.
There are seers warning of some type of sign from God this coming year. The Mayan's seemed to predict something. The Pope may flee Rome? A comet in the sky? Great earthquakes? Signs in the sky?
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