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"If I'm quite good at Arcade Edition 2012 and Street Fighter 5 comes out and it doesn't play exactly like Street Fighter 4 or it doesn't reward the skills I've built in, I will be thumbs down about it or inherently resistant to it. I have a literal investment. Obviously there's the cost of the game, but there's thousands of hours I've spent practising to be really good at this game and really mastering the details of it.
"So when something comes out that potentially doesn't reward my exact skill set, I'm going to be reticent and resistent to it. It's hard to get past that and appreciate the value of what's new. If a new game comes out and everybody likes it, and they're like, ah yeah, Street Fighter 4, that's the old stuff, no-one cares about that old man! You're like, oh, my investment. It's now worth that much less.
Tips by Nyoro, Chameleonice and Jevali.
So that's why the 3rd Strike fans hated SF4 when it came out, or why the MVC2 fans hated MVC3 when it first hit the scene.
Makes sense.
This is exactly what happened with 3S and 4 in some respects it took a long time for some players to bury that chip that was on there shoulder. Im sure some mvc3 players will tell you the same happened when it dropped.
Comparisons will instantly be made between games. I think you can also say that it hasnt helped that there has been a dumbing down of the games this gen. tbqh i honestly think that has also been a blessing but in places (sfxt) they went a tad to far with it.
The intresting thing will be next game where do they go do they find a balance go all hardcore again or go dumber still?
True. Some of us are open to new challenges, but this is the reason some dont like SFxT when it is an awesome game.
So now they are tweaking/making it more like SF4, which we will see how that goes come jan 2013 edition.
SFxT isn't dumb at all. You still need links to do any real damage.
And being able to actually do combos is a blessing. SF4 feels so damn restricted with what you can and can't combo into or out of.
I think dumb was maybe a poor choice of words on my part but execution wise and pace wise i still feel 3S was faster and harder than sf4 execution wise. I myself prefer sf4 as a thinking mans game but somethings about it irritate me shortcuts mixed with auto-block for example.
Overall its more balanced but i can see why its not everybodys cup of tea
I honestly put in allot of time with sfxt and there was allot i didnt like about it but yo not everyone will like every game. I think assuming everyone hated it because it wasnt sf4 or were bandwagoning it up with everyone else is a silly idea. I despratly wanted to like the game bought the CE spent weeks trying to defend it but ultimately found i wasn't enjoying the game. When the patch comes i will try it out see if it can change my opinions.
I agree that's exactly why the SF3 series bombed. Parry was a nice mechanic, but it affected too many aspects of the game (like jump ins) that people's skills from SF2 were rendered irrelevant. "Don't jump" suddenly lost its meaning, as did a good part of the fireball game.
It's also the reason SF4 was so well received. It managed to introduce an interesting new mechanic (focus attack) while staying true to SF2 fundamentals. The same is probably true for TTT2. The skills people have invested in T6 are all there, along with an interesting new tag mechanic, and the rage management that comes with it.
@11 parrys certainly affected the player base it kinda divided them into people who can parry and people who suck at it (myself) If you could you lived for it if you couldnt the game sorta past you by.
@12 I agree with it being hard to use Elena in 3S lol
How many time though have you been caught with a dp mashing or a command throw whirling during a block string though?
So that's why people hate SFXT and PSAS? makes sense.
That doesn't make any sense. It's not Capcom's fault that Skullgirls, Virtua Fighter, P4A, or any of the other games aren't as popular or didn't take off. People just don't find them interesting. It's not like they don't have people playing them (Well, except for SG and VF). They just aren't "big time" games.
I always want my $60 to go towards a NEW game. I stopped buying Halo games because its the same thing over and over and over and over. Ok now I can run, but the other 99% of the game is the same as Halo 1 from 10 years ago. Waste of money.
I enjoy PSAS, P4A, and SFxT because they are different. Sure SFxT has some really lame aspects, but P4A and PSAS really aren't bad games. NONE of my UMVC3 and SF skills translate to this game, that's absolutely true. But why do I want another $60 SF game with playstation characters... I would much rather have 5 totally different games then 5 games all built using the SF4 engine.
I wouldn't exactly say that newer fighting games are easy because they all play differently in their own right. For example: 3rd Strike players were bashing SF4 for many reasons and it is funny because if they think SF4 is easy, then they should be masters at that game. But, they fail to adapt to SF4 and it's been proven many times before. In fact, Seth Killian made a post on SRK about 2 years ago and he was talking about 2D fighting games vs 3D fighting games. He mentioned about how 3rd Strike affected the way 2D fighting games (mainly SF) was meant to be played.
IMO, 3rd Strike without the parries would end up being a much deeper game than it is right now. 1 example: shotos. Generally, fireball characters like Ryu and Ken have strategies which revolve around using fireballs and uppercuts. You would have to be good at zoning and spacing if you want to do well with those characters. To master the art of zoning and spacing is VERY hard. In 3rd Strike, you would have to almost ignore the fireball game and go for close-up game and since parry is the main aspect in 3rd Strike, you would have to learn the throwing game since they can counter parries any time. They're almost like non-fireball characters in 3rd Strike if you come to think of it. What I'm saying is that for those who struggle to play Ryu and Ken in other SF games, they may do well in 3rd Strike since they don't have to worry about the fireball game.
I was all about Q in SF3, which is probably why I didn't end up getting that into the HD remake. At some point I just was infuriated by constantly fighting Ken's. In a tournament I can see why everyone wants to be Chun-li and Ken just to win, but I just want people to branch out a bit for online play. In a game where some characters clearly can't beat another, it's kinda cheap to choose the OP character. I don't do it, but to each his own I guess.
@ 8
Agree 100%
Wasn't Ryu not in 3rd strike?
Maybe I'm just making sh*t up, and I am definitely too lazy to google it at the moment.
The game has a ton of tricky links some aren't as easy and dp mashing will work on allot of strings if you get 1f wrong your pretty much getting it
Don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but click on edit NOW before you get ripped apart. Your question: of course he's in it, he's the main man after all.
This is exactly what will happen with Darkstalkers 4. I've been lurking in the Darkstalker forums, and people pretty much want a new one to be the same thing as VS. So they can wreck shop on everyone, right out of the gate.
Being an 09er I guess I have a different mindset then the og's, but I prefer with new games, that everyone is on equal footing.
@Super_Honda, completely agree, the only game where i've been able to be decent with ken has been in third strike since i don't have to learn the spacing and zoning aspect of the character.
Seth has to stop talking about Capcom games since He doesn't work for Capcom anymore.
Saying that, SSF4 isn't one of the hardest game to play. Blablue and KOF are way more difficult. Marvel would be a better example since it is easy to pick up but really hard to be a very good player.
# how the hell 3s teaches you to jump randomly if you need the skills to make the parry.
Damn this gen is horrible, 3s isn't just different, it's just plain BETTER
Oh, so 3rd Strike is the only game you claim to be good at? Exposed.
For days people have been criticizing Seth for being the PR for PlayStation All-Star and then this excerpt of an interview is posted. I did not read the article but I think Seth ultimate indirect point is probably that people are disliking PlayStation All-Star because it is different and does not play like past fighting games they are familiar with. So to all those who agree with Seth and dislike PlayStation All-Stars, you have some explaining to do.
I don't agree with Seth. Let's face it, if Street fighter 5 stays the same it won't give new players a chance as already players like Daigo and Justin Wong will stay on that level that, let's be honest, with all their street fighter knowledge and experience other plays will never be able to reach.
Oh and btw @33 You're an idiot, third strike didn't flop, it was just street fighter 3 vanilla and second impact which didn't do so well. Sort of like how most capcom games don't do well in their vanilla periods
I agree. Honestly its like going from marvel 2 to marvel 3. those pros from 2 didnt just move to 3 not knowing anything or having an idea at all. your investment should be rewarded for your hard work in previous installments of any said fighter. thats what makes fighting games spectacular they take a long time to master but pay off game after game for those who continue to play them. thats why we have so many pros!
@ 22 Most online players won't branch out because they're in it for the win, BP etc. In every fighter I've played this generation, online is usually dominated by a few characters. I've been playing SFXT lately and every team features at least one of five main characters. After a few matches the fun becomes redundant because everyone is playing for the win. At which point games are shelved indefinitely.
When it comes to DS im hoping they keep the pace but mix it up enough to be a new game.
@17 I'm not blaming Capcom. We owe them for fighting games coming back in a big way in the west. Ask anyone why their scene blew up or started all over the world and they all answer because of sf4 or even ssf4.
I think people do find these games interesting but people have less and less time and more and more of these great games are coming out.
It's not Capcom's fault. They made several fantastic sequels to great franchises that people are familiar with. I just think it's a shame players complain about how they want something new to play but just can't see the forest for the trees.
Congratulations, you didn't read the review at all, you just read the headline, then went straight down to the comments section.
What Seth is saying is cool and all but this is has been conveyed in pretty much every fighting game out there. Finding a happy medium is what all devs should be looking to achieve with their games.
Also SFxT wasn't well recieved because Capcom got mad greedy...and gems. I mean the gems were a good idea when MSH came out but who honestly thought glow in the dark jewels were going to attract casuals and the vets alike?
Sorry there is such a thing as really sucky ideas.
Anyone complaining about MvC3's gameplay either has a short memory or is a straight up hypocrite. Mvc2 not only had less viable characters but there were clones galore and they were thrown in just because they were part of the crossover fad in the mid nineties.
Man, I'm sick of people saying 3s gave people bad habits when it came to jumping in and other things because "parries negated everything waaaah". That such a hand-wave thing to say. I might as well say SF4 is bad because it teaches people that fighting games are all about 50/50 set-ups, safe-jumps, and fireball spam, but that would be incorrect. Games don't give you "bad habits" for other games because you're not playing one game by another game's rule-set. Shut up with the apples and oranges already.
***I AM NOT ADVOCATING PARRYING IN OTHER GAMES*** Parry was a great mechanic. It added multiple layers of mind-games because you could bait them as well as use them. If you get parried, you got read, simple as that. People who don't like third strike hate parries because it's the most obvious mechanic by which other people can see you got read. In other games you can blame execution errors, bad timing, or look at your stick and go "oh my, what happened, that wasn't me!", but in 3s if you mess up and get parried you know your opponent read you like a book and you got punished for it. You don't have to like 3s, you don't have to play it, but don't make ignorant comments about what one game teaches you "ruining you" for other games, that's plain stupid.
@47 are you stupid or retarded? super street fighter 4 is the most innovative fighting game since street fighter 2 the focuz system is more better than parry any day and anyone who plays 3 strike is a stupid lazy scrub and cant addapt to the harder playstle of sf4 , parry is the most mashabale theing in the world that game is so ez just parry parry parry into your bread and butter idk how u think it takes skill at all to do anything in the 3 strike see my in sf4 kid
People probably don't have an appetite for new fighters like they used to. I remember psone/dreamcast era there were plenty of fighting games new ips both 3d and 2d now we just have alot of sequels there just doesn't seem to be a desire from the general public to try something new. In the nineties early 2000's people were happy to try and buy new games without internet now there's a new game with familiar mechanics and nobodies tried it. I think it's cause the smash bros community hate it maybe? Yet they're probably the ones who i would have thought could at least try the game. I'm having the time of my life playing the new vf cause my good friend got it too that's all i need for now. I would try a brand new fg if it was a 3d fighter that tried something audacious and had really good animation.
not gonna lie to you. you honestly do not have to do link to get any real damage in sfxt. I honestly do not know where you got that idea from and before you go crazy no I do not hate the game, i am just saying there is no real point in doing something that you do not have to do.
@2 (thf24) totally agree. i also see lots of people hating on umvc3, because of the damage output being so high compared to sf4. also, i see people playing online like they would play in sf4, and getting completely bodied. and then they say "this game sucks, i'm never playing this again"... different doesn't mean worse...
Look, bro. I know you're probably a troll with a name like "niggardly", but let me clarify a few things about SF3 and it "being the cause of the video game crash".
First of all, at that point the fighting game market was already saturated, and it had a bunch of turds thrown into the mix, quite a few of which were Capcom's. Have we forgotten Fighting Jam? Fighting Evolution? Numerous other titles Capcom poured out with little effort that showed glaring problems? 3s was a return to solid fighting, a love letter to the community, but the damage had already been done by the games before it. It was the last notable thing Capcom did in fighting games for 10 years, so of course people blamed it for being the sole reason everything else died.
But it's just not that simple. Yes, 3s had a high entry barrier. I know that, I played it myself for years and I'm pretty good, but I'd still get crapped playing anyone who's at tournament level. That doesn't mean I can't enjoy it and step back to look at what a great game it truly is.
I like how you also missed the part where I said I was not for having parrying in another fighting game. 3rd strike did it right and it's the only game that will ever have it down correctly. Yeah it might not make million dollar tournaments, but I don't need it to for me to love it. I had perfectly good fun with every game I've played before any of them became 6-figure salaries for dudes I've never even met. I don't care where fighting games this gen are going, but I do care when people try to dismiss 3s as a solid fighter because it had a mechanic they didn't want to learn. Might as well say Marvel is stupid because it has TAC's (i don't like them much myself) or SFIV is stupid because it has ultras (I don't like them much either), but I don't because I respect what each game is trying to bring to the table. Please pull your head out of your butt.
I more than willing to pick a new fighting game and learn new mechanics. But there are base mechanics/mind sets/ thought patterns that can be applied to most fighters, after playing so many.
Especially with fighting franchises with sequels , like street fighters . Many base mechanics are fairly consistent through all series of the franchise. All that's needed to learn the advanced offensive/ defensive mechanics and meter usage specific to that iteration of Street Fighter.
There's very little excuse not to pick up playing a new street fighter game , if you've been playing the series through many iterations anyway. From World Warriors, to Alpha , EX , Third Strike to 4 , all has used six buttons and hold back for block. ( OK throwing changed after SF3 , but boo hoo ) Aren't you even comfortable knowing that's not going to change. Why are you people scared of moving on to play SF5 ? Don't be lazy.
Just learn a new system specifics . All your fundamentals will carry over , just like they have since every other SF game you've played. Especially if you're character loyal or lazy to learn a new one. Let's not act like your crouching Medium Kick suddenly isn't going to be special cancelable into hadouken .... because it's been like that for over a decade and something's will never change.
All the guys who don't want to try out the new game/sequel from the current game they're playing and adapt , are doing a huge disservice to themselves as a player , because they're going to be a leg up on people who are newcomers and just learning, while you already have prior knowledge.
for some reason i feel like this reverse psychology PR that Seth is trying to do is a lil scummy. like im gonna start playing this smash rip-off cuz i dont wanna seem like some close-minded player. please seth. if the game is good, it will be played. nuff said. enuff of these PR shenanigans.
@56 First, Fighting Jam/Evolution is the same game. Second, SF3 came BEFORE that, as evidenced by 3rd strike characters being in the game. There was nothing to return to. Mechanics aside, people also hated on SF3 for having a completely new cast outside of Ken and Ryu. That's why we ended up with Chun and Akuma later on. I'm not going to necessarily say SF3 caused the crash, but if it wasn't such a departure I don't think fighters would have died out like that. Other genres get oversaturated, too, but they don't just fizzle out like fighting games almost did.
@56 i agree on most accounts actually i would say in a previous post i miss those days in the nineties earl 00's the best fighting games at the time (for me) all had excellent parry systems funny enough soulcalibur/tekken3/sf3s/doa (doa mostly didn't have huge damage counters more parries)
@57 pro gamers can be the worst adopters of new mechanics/game engines but non pro's are just as guilty these days with the way they treat new games but what new games are they? Most are sequels it's alot harder to try new things and still sell really well (3rdstrike) or have people adopt agree with said new mechanics.
SF5 needs to come out next gen if it came out sooner it would be too similar to sf4 (see the darkstalkers teaser) they definitley use the same engine at this point.
Jeez, this whole comment section is full of retarded assumptions and idiotic opinions about games they never really played enough in both 3s and Sf4.
The worst is the understanding of 3s's parry system. The whole "parry is just a win button/mechanic" concept is plain dumb if you've played more than 5 matches against someone half decent at the game. The whole idea jump ins, air-to-air and anti-airs are useless is stupid, it teaches you a different meta game switching between different attacks when they are parrying to mess with their timing of the move they expect. Every fundamental is still there, its just DIFFERENT, just like any other fighting game.
Also 3s didn't kill fighting games, 3s was also a flop for more than just being "too advanced" or the supposely "win mechanic" parry system. The biggest one was the market oversaturation with game companies overflooding the market with several hardly different games which people grew bored with. The only time fighting games really "trended" was the SF2 days as it was new and exciting. Second Capcom wanted a new cast, people hate change and grown towards their old favourites.
Thirdly, look how many consoles SF2 and its several versions were ported to and look at Sf3. One compliation of NG and SI and one 3s on dreamcast during their peak times. Dreamcast was the easiest console ever to bootleg, shoutouts to utopia, no chips required, just an easily acquirable boot CD. This was made worst due to how more and more new computers were being shipped with CD and DVD burning capabilities. 3s didn't come to PS2 or Xbox till 2004, and their versions still couldn't handle CPS3 technology.
Neither game is exactly better or harder, swings and roundabouts. The time games are released in your lifetime greatly affect these areas. SF2 i was young and naieve to understand fighting games which is why i've probably never got into it as older people did that i knew. Sf3 I was older, visiting arcades and understanding fighting games, i gained alot of fun times and memories with friends and strangers over the game.
Also GunHammers/#48 that is the most brainnumbingly retarded thing i ever read, you should ring up guiness to see if you broke a record, or atleast seek serious help. Try spamming parry, a half decent player who knows what they are doing will expose you. Wish this site had a feature to automatically locate players gamertags to expose serious blaggers and bs'ers. Saying that the site would be half empty lol
Perhaps the reason why I got to like SFxT is because I didn't took SF IV that seriously. If I invested time in SF IV I might end up disliking SFxT.
How did this thread go from seth's opinion of new fighting game acceptance, to was 3rd strike a crappy game or not?
The way i see it, mashing parry in 3rd strike is as viable as mashing a dp in sf4, this will only be viable against scrubs and noobs, no more, no less. If you got beat by someone mashing parry, then reason being was that you weren't good, sad but true. If you mashed parry, and whooped a lot of people then congrats, you can beat scrubs and noobs.
look here Tardfaces, don't try to talk about market saturation or any other words you don't understand - especially when you were about 10 years old at the time. SF3 wasn't popular because it deviated from the feel of SF2 tremendously. It wasn't a true SF game. It took three versions of SF3 for people to warm up to it and its wacky characters (Q, oro, necro, that wacky white thing, etc).
SF alpha series kept a similar mechanic as SF2 series. Sf3 was way different - fireballs were useless, blocked sweep meant big punish, you can jump in and parry and punish a dragon punch, no familiar characters came back, etc. Sf4 smartly put a bit of SF2 back into the mix. Point is, Sf3 was a totally different game and a lot of SFers dropped off because of it.
So what dude was saying is partly correct. People don't want a totally different game when a sequel comes out. However, it's more bcuz of familiarity rather than maintaining skill. I wouldn't mind re-learning SF again. But i don't want to have to learn PitFighter just bcuz it has a character named Ryu in it. If you rats don't get that concept, just meditate on it for a bit.
Ok, lets clear things up:
1) SF3 and SF4 are BOTH hard to master, and for their own reasons. SF3's parry system isn't "easy". If you miss, you eat fists. If you land it, you still gotta put in your input or parry EVEN MORE. In SF4, ultra combos can even a game out at any second, meter management can make or break anyone, and links are pretty damn tough to do (not in comparison to KOF...which is insane...). Who cares which one's harder? If I had to pick...I'd proooooobably lean towards SF4, but that's because the community fleshed that game out like crazy + I'm personally better at SF3 anyway (started with 4, but didn't keep up with it past Super).
2) Seth has a point. TTTT didn't diverge much from T6, and their fans are happy. Blazblue never changes, and their fans are happy. Why? Cause the dudes that are good today are good tomorrow. Meanwhile, SF X TKN, MVC3, and SF4 all had their fair share of bs to get past, and only 2 of them have gotten past it yet. Why? Cause SF X TKN had a fail launch + all of them diverged from games before them. Even if Seth's just making excuses as to why PSA isn't that popular with the FGC, it doesn't mean he isn't right. Cause he is. Maybe SF X TKN can pull a SF3 and come back from the brink? I'd love for people to stop bashing it like it's a mission so we could see that happen (I still got the game, and I still play it. Getting TTTT first thing for winter break on psn).
3) Familiarity is important too. That's why SF3 didn't work out so well for the longest time. It had a pretty cool resurgance recently, though, so it aged well, unlike MVC. It deserves props in that regard at least.
4) @63: That's EXACTLY why. Too many people wanted SF X TKN to be like SFIV. It wasn't, yet they still play the game like they would SFIV. No one's going for the harder stuff. Everyone's going for the measly 300-400 damage launcher + follow-up combos. It's a shame, but Capcom's trying to fix that up.
OR maybe the new game just sucks?
I was playing SFA2-3 pretty hard before I got into 3S - and while they're both SF games, they couldn't be any more different from each other. But I fell in love w/3S right off the bat. I was playing 3S pretty hard before I got into IV. I was turned off by early screen shots (because it went 3D), but after playing it, I was hooked. III and IV have nothing in common aside from the fact they carry the same title, and some characters. So not every body hates on a game because it doesn't carry the same traits as a previous title that (insert person here) liked. Maybe, as I've said before, the game just sucks!
So that explains why SF had a long line of "slightly different costumes" editions
@71 #71
The viewpoint differs from person to person, we can't generalise viewpoints entirely, like Seth's. Though this viewpoint has been seen a TON in the community, it was very notable from 3S to 4- I remember when Vanila came out and there was so much angst and hate towards the ultras and focus attacks being 'skillless parries'.
I liked SFxT. The only reason why I stopped playing the game was because so many people were openly verbally bashing the game in EVERY SINGLE threat and forum and youtube comments section and live stream and article on Eventhubs that people who DO enjoy the game [believe it or not, there still is a big enough following] can't go anywhere to enjoy it. When I try watching an SFxT stream and the commentator's going "When's MvC3 on? this game sux @$$" every 2 minutes, the hell am I meant to enjoy it?
The community had decided the game was going to be rubbish as soon as 1) Gems were announced 2) On Disk DLC existed [the main main reason that people were determined to hate on this game].
IDK - I love to play Alpha3, 3rd Strike, AND SF4. They are all very different, however they are all very solid fighters.
SFxTekken isn't as bad as some people make it out to be, but the fiasco with those crappy gems & DLC has really hurt it.
I like MvC3 yet find MvC2 broken and unplayable .... go figure.
PSAS is just trash; a joke of a fighting game.
This is how I felt about Soul calibur 5. Its a great game but the character I put the most effort into was Ivy, then they changed her up soooo much. Now before you say thats only one character I also liked Mitsurugi and he even got toned down a bit. Everything I invested in was watered down and im not rewarded for everything I learned in past SC games.
TTT2 does the opposite for me. Lei Uulong is a character I heavily invested in since Tekken 3, so far he has not changed much at all and everything added is just extra icing on the cake.
This is just my personal experience though, everyone is different.
@68 You sound about 12 using tardfaces, i'm guessing you were about 10 and speak about subjects you truely don't understand. You use the same "parrying is so easy" bullsh!t which plagues people who never played the game. The person dp'ing you must be doing it way too early to be able react to 3 frames each time. That and not switching up their AA's. Most players wont parry unless they are sure about thier opponents options or is a move with seriously bad startup (which 3 frame uppercuts werenare not) but you would know this right. Don't speak on subjects
And this "SF3 wasn't a true SF" nonsense is another comment to wave away any valid points, you might as well say alpha wasnt one for air blocking and custom combos or sf4 for ultras, invincible backdashes and focus attacks. New games require new mechanics to keep players interested and keep the games distinct and fresh. If i am spending 40 plus on a new game, i don't want it to feel like the old one. They took risks to differeniate SF3 from every other series and capitalize on their new hardware, it wasn't to everyone's taste. SF3 is as street fighter as every other one.
09'er confirmed, which isn't a entirely bad thing, but it is when they try to pretend to be knowledgable about subjects they don't truely understand.
First of all, I don't think I've ever read a post by Super_Honda I didn't start slow clapping for....lol that's an exaggeration but we should all be listening to this guy!
Secondly, 3rd Strike defenders always have the WORST attitudes. Your arrogance and insults (count how many were compelled to call people names) will get you nowhere in this community. Some of you don't even make sense and are just riding 3S's **** as usual. No, I'm not hating on 3S, but its fans are terrible.
"You're an idiot, third strike didn't flop"
"Is that why they put SFxT system gems in the game? To help people think is not SF4? Pfftt, stupid moves."
"parry is the most mashabale theing in the world that game is so ez just parry parry parry"
Tsk tsk FGC, you can do better than this nonsense.
@ 60
So calling people names, throwing around curse words and being completely condescending should get poster of the year? WOW, okay. TheHeroPixel, Teohkaka and chipndip gave a much better input in one post than that guy did in like 5+ posts without being rude.
Just calling them like I see them. I can be cool and debate a topic but there is no debating stupid crap.
If my language offends you it may mean your balls haven't dropped or you're a newb to the way of the internet in general. Either way you sound soft.
PSASBR is fun and legitimate. People are playing it and enjoying it. I'm enjoying it.
People who are criticizing Seth aren't able to recognize that he is being honest and optimistic, which are the things that have kept him relevant to the community.
There is no reason to be upset. Let's just play some games, friends.
@ 81
LOL sorry to laugh but I'm anything but soft. I just don't think you have to throw that stuff around to get your point across....it just makes you look childish. I actually agree with some of your points, but like I said other people got their point across without being a bully.
People tend to see eye to eye on things when you actually put yourself ON their level instead of above it yelling it down to them like they are peasants.
Seth may not be in Capcoms grips anymore but that doesn't make his opinion any less valid. The transition between MvC2 to Mvc3 was BS. Lets get characters dial combos and x-factor mechanics. But from 3s to SF4 wasn't as harsh. Focus Attacks are parrying plus the follow up attack. Inputs are easier but not changed unlike MvC3. I always viewed SFxT as a game on it's own. I never compared it to SF4, and for that reason when I look at is a stand alone game, it sucks. I didn't like it because I disagreed with the gameplay mechanics, not because it didn't play like SF4.
I still find it hilarious when people think that links = being smart.
No, timmy - ZONING and MIXUPS are smart, LINKS are execution.


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This is an interesting book that tries to get the reader to think about the mistakes that are made in life and the need to fix them. Austin and Kaylee are interesting characters and the love story is predictable but sweet. I didn't find the plot particularly engrossing however I think that fans of this type of story (Nicolas Sparks fans) will enjoy the book.
Appropriateness: This is a book with a lot of adult content. There is sex (with condoms yay!) and a bit of drunkenness (with a mention of the designated driver yay!) . I would recommend this book to teens 14+ who are fans of sweet and sad stories.
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I hate to admit it, I really do, because I am generally a very happy, upbeat person. But some days even I don't feel like smiling.
I had one of those about a week and a half ago when I learned of a sweet little old lady who'd been mugged as she waited for the bus near my office at my day job.
Immediately, I was transported back in time several years to the mugging scenario of my paternal grandmother. In each case, the women were targeted because they were elderly. Their purses were stolen and the thieves got away with little more than some cash and, in the case of my Nonna, the Bible she'd brought over to America with her from Italy. She never did get it back.
The recent mugging victim lost her rosary beads.
In each case, the feisty gals were less concerned with their own bruises and wounds than catching their perpetrators. In fact, my Nonna actually chased after her attacker!
Brave ladies, both - undaunted by the disgusting cowards who'd ruthlessly hurt them.
And, just when I was feeling pretty down about the world into which I'd brought my child, it happened; the Aurora, Colo. movie massacre.
I couldn't help but weep for the many, many victims. What is going on? Was my little Nonna right in her declaration that the world has just become so wicked and horrid that the good Lord simply has had enough of our own inhumanity toward one another and that we are witnessing the beginning of the end of the world?
As I listened to details of the Colorado tragedy emerge, I thought of the many friends of mine who are either pregnant or have recently given birth to beautiful, innocent angels.
I know what they're thinking. They're wondering the same thing I did when, newly pregnant with Kyle, I watched in horror as the Columbine High School slaughter took place. It was the same sickening feeling my pal Liz experienced as she witnessed the 9/11 attacks unfold soon after discovering she was expecting her son.
That's the question on my mind as I process the unimaginable loss of life in Colorado and the savagery a little closer to home. Just, why?
And yet, in the midst of all the horror - hope.
Because the entire community in which that sweet little old lady lives responded to her mugging with unparalleled compassion and concern. Not only did police work diligently to catch her assailant (they got him!) but they also recovered her rosary. In fact, the hospital employees who treated her - ironically on her 84th birthday - tended to her as they would their own mother, gently caring for her physically and emotionally, buying her a birthday cake and even getting her a new rosary.
The calls inquiring about her health, the cards sent to cheer her, the prayers.
And, far away in Aurora - more hope as we learned all the stories of selfless heroism, saw the genuine outpouring of love and grief ... and heard the prayers.
Heck, even the presidential candidates respectfully (albeit temporarily) suspended campaigning. And, whether he's your guy or not, President Obama did do the right thing by going to Aurora and joining the fractured community in prayer.
And I'm certainly inspired by "The Dark Night Rises" star Christian Bale, who flew to Colorado to visit victims and hospital personnel. My Kyle really wants to see the new Batman movie - and so do I, especially now that I know Christian Bale must at least have some spiritual connection to his first name.
Will I be nervous to walk into a theater after what happened last week? You bet. But I was afraid to fly after 9/11 and still I did ... for one simple reason. I refuse to let evil prevail. Ever.
God bless and please keep praying, all. I know I will. And I know that each one is heard.
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auto ordnance thompson Tm1
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November 11, 2009, 02:26 PM
im thinking about getting an auto ordnance thompson Tm1. how is the gun for accuracy and how reliable is it? does it have any problems? anyone have any experiance with the guns?
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November 11, 2009, 05:54 PM
helps complete my milsurp(or replica) collection- a fine addition
it's well constructed except the furniture and sight screws work loose with firing
very heavy- the aluminum receiver version would help msomewhat
accuracy was never a strongpoint-in fact they were rejected by a couple of service branches according to the author of "American Thunder 2" a book dedicated to the weapon
the sights on the m1 model are very basic-fixed hole at the rear, with alot of "play" in the target field
having said all that- who cares? it's an iconic member of the most famous guns in history and is a blast to shoot
i had hoped to license a short 10.5 inch barrel($200 + installation) for historical accuracy but apparently that isn't legal in my state
November 11, 2009, 08:04 PM
Mine is a West Hurley. Put all 30 rounds in a hole about 4X4 inches at 25 yds.
It does not like hollow points. Shoots low and left.
Loads of fun.
November 11, 2009, 08:07 PM
Auto Ordinance Tommy Gun correct?
I highly recommend you DO NOT get one, atleast the aluminum receiver model anyway. The rear sight on mine hit me in the face the first time I shot it (20 rounds). I retightened the screws with red Loc-tite and shot it again. 20 more rounds and rear sight to the face again. Now the screw holes are stripped in the 1/8th of an inch they are tapped into the aluminum. Also the bolt hold open doesn't work now. A lot of drilling and grinding later, those are fixed. Now the 30 round stick mag doesn't feed right. The bullets are digging into the feed ramp. The aluminum has gouges in it from the mouths of the cases hitting it. A bunch of semi circles on the ramp. Tried to polish it with no luck fixing the problem.
The only good thing about it was the 100 round drum fed well the one time I used it. Ofcourse, I had to repaint it because it totally rusted up from sitting in my garage over night. That was my fault I guess.
The older versions are much better I hear. If you buy a steel receiver Tommy maybe you won't have near the headaches I did. I also hear that the aluminum versions wear out quickly. Steel bolt riding on aluminum, makes sense to me. I did not keep it long enough to find out. I had to sell it before I smashed it with a sledge hammer. I paid $1300 for it with the 100 round drum (have seen the same for $1800), but it was still a major rip off.
It is a good looking gun, an American Icon, but I was very disappointed in my gun.
Jim K
November 11, 2009, 08:10 PM
The main problem inherent in that semi-auto design is that without the advanced primer ignition of the SMG, it takes a lot of force to cock the gun for the first shot.
November 13, 2009, 04:07 PM
cocking force has lessened with time, but yea it was tough when new
there is an extended cocking handle available from Kahr for $40; not historical and not worth it to me
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Security Price Informativeness with Delegated Traders
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February 3, 2009
We study the "efficient markets" paradigm in the context of agency relations: principal-investors want to monitor and compensate their agent-traders using market security prices in "mark-to-market" contracts. The view of each principal is that market prices aggregate the information from other market participants so they can be used to monitor agent-traders. If the market is dominated by such delegated traders, then these traders can attempt to manipulate the market price by shirking jointly and buying or selling in the same direction. In this way, traders provide market "proof" that they have worked hard and deserve high compensation. We show that markets dominated by delegated traders are less efficient than other markets. The extent of "market efficiency," indexed by the delegated traders' propensity of joint shirking, is endogenized.
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My 5-year-old son has had the principal and teacher calling for the past four days. He is hitting other students. Today he hit the teacher. This has become so constant that we are meeting with the teacher for the second time in two weeks. Could you explain what it could be?
We are a very loving family. He has a new little sister who is 9 months old and actively crawling. He has somewhat of a routine in the evening with homework and shower, etc. We don't know what to do or what the cause may be. Please give us some insight to what we could do to help him get over this.
There are many things that contribute to aggressive behavior in children. I assume by your comment, "We are a very loving family," that you do not tolerate hitting in your home. Home structure (routines), discipline methods, family relationships and school history, are some of the factors that can influence a child's behavior at school. Having a full understanding of your son's preschool and behavior history will be helpful in your discussions with his teacher and principal.
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Model 60 Piece of ?
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March 12, 2008, 04:40 PM
Piece of what...?
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March 12, 2008, 04:49 PM
I bought a 60. It was on sale.
I subsequently sold my standard model 10/22, which was a POS with lousy accuracy and poor reliability, for more than I paid for the Marlin brand new. I put a scope on the Marlin. From what I can tell, it will shoot as well as a 10/22T, for a fraction of the money.
March 12, 2008, 04:57 PM
My message apparently disappeared.
I have a model 60 and it shoots 20-30 rds fine and then begins to jam. Today I tried CCI, Remington, and Federal ammo and all jammed. What is the deal any ideas? I have cleaned this thing good and still it jams.
I am about ready to buy a 10/22 and get rid of this thing.
March 12, 2008, 05:00 PM
Is it new?
Call Marlin; they'll make it right.
March 12, 2008, 05:13 PM
Try thoroughly cleaning it, lubricate with a spray teflon dry lube, not oil, and use good ammo such as CCI. Avoid the bulk pack stuff.
March 12, 2008, 05:26 PM
It is not new. It used to shoot okay for about the first 1000rds or so. I clean it after every session. But the last couple times it has done this. All of the ammo I shot today is probably over 2yrs old do you think that would be a problem?
El Tejon
March 12, 2008, 05:29 PM
When you clean it, do you take it apart? Sludge on top of bolt, IME, fouls a lot of Marlin 60s (which are shot a bunch, but rarely cleaned).
March 12, 2008, 05:35 PM
I have an old one with about 5000 rounds through it. I got it when I was 12, and haven't shot it in probably 10 years due to it hanging for various reasons every 3-5 rounds the last time I did try to shoot it. What is the most common part that may have worn out for this rifle?
March 12, 2008, 05:50 PM
Really nothing is likely worn after 5000 rounds, pull it completely apart, clean and polish anything that looks like it can be polished. It will likely shoot better than when it was new. I had the exact same problems with mine (Grandfather gave it to me when I was seven) shot it all the way up through my teen years until it became completely unreliable.
Try here for more information, they should have more than you can handle.
March 12, 2008, 05:52 PM
History; as the best , most accurate, most fun and cheapest, plus most reliable, out of the box semi ever made, which is so accurate, it is more accurate than MOST bolt action 22's out there.
March 12, 2008, 05:56 PM
slchvac: yours is dirty. thoroughly clean it, especially the chamber face, and the grooves around it, then lightly lube it. good to go...
March 12, 2008, 05:56 PM
I've had a couple of Marlin 60s for about 25 years. After about 15 years, they both turned into "jammomatics." I thoroughly stripped and cleaned them both, taking care to remove (actually scraping in some places, including the top of the bolt) the horrid carbon deposits left from over a decade of cheap rimfire ammo. Now, both work perfectly and are very accurate, too. I wish I owned something else so nice that required maintenance only every 15 years.
March 12, 2008, 06:01 PM
Good thorough cleaning is all my marlins have ever required to get working again. The only piece I have ever replaced is the buffer. Few bucks and simple to do.
March 12, 2008, 06:02 PM
I am going to pull it apart tonite and clean it again. I will clean the s@#t out of it and see what it does. I hope that is the problem. I haven't shot it in some time.
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March 12, 2008, 06:20 PM
I had the same problem with mine after I had it a couple of years and a few thousand rounds. It is old, one of the earliest made I took it to one of my dads friends who is a gun nut like me could be a gunsmith if he wanted he asked me what was wrong I told him and he proceded to take the barrel and action out of the stock and got a can of ether like they use to start deisel engines and sprayed it out really good while working the bolt. It was like like magic years of crud and gunk just melted off the gun. He then oiled it really good because he said the ether stripped the metal clean and that it would rust if it wasn't oiled really good have shot hundred of rounds since and haven't had a problem yet. He said do this every thousand rounds or whenever It feals gummy.
hope this helps
March 12, 2008, 06:24 PM
2 years old is "new" -- sorry I wasn't clear. New enough for warranty work, anyway. I meant, "as opposed to 35 years old". Some companies will fix 35-year-old guns for free, depending on the problem, but I sure don't expect a free fix in that case.
Sounds like a good cleaning might be in order, though, before calling Marlin.
March 12, 2008, 06:40 PM
I've probably put over 100,000 rounds or more on my 60, had the gun since the early 80's, was a Christmas gift from my Dad... Tore it down twice to clean the gunk from rim fire and another time to change the buffer, it still shoots like a champ, rarely does it jam .. I even bought my son one. Great gun.
March 12, 2008, 07:28 PM
As soon as I can find a good rear sight for this rifle, I plan to buy one. Anybody know of a good one that does not require drilling holes?
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March 12, 2008, 07:51 PM
I bought a used one about 8 years ago - it was FILTHY inside. Took it apart and cleaned it with gun blaster then relubed. Put it into a "Dragunov" type synthetic stock and mounted a Simmons 3-9x32 variable scope on it. It is the most accurate .22 rifle I've ever shot - but it needs to be CLEANED (as everyone else has said) often. I clean mine after every range session. I have made head shots on ground hogs at over 125 yards with mine. It seems to prefer the heavier (40 grain) high velocity ammo, like the Remmington Thunderbolts. The micro-groove rifling needs a good cleaning now and then with bore solvent. All in all, not a bad $65 investment and thousands of rounds and hundreds of hours of fun.
March 12, 2008, 07:56 PM
My wife loved mine so much that it is now hers. I need to see about buying me another one.
March 12, 2008, 08:11 PM
I bought mine and it was jamming from within the first 10 rounds. Put it in the safe and have not dealt with it since.
March 12, 2008, 08:48 PM
Keeping the action clean is key, although I have never cleaned the bore of mine. It still shoots scary accurate for a semi. Many mountain grouse feeling safe and sound at 50 yards have lost their heads. Also, does anyone know if there is a better trigger for a 60? mtmuley
March 12, 2008, 09:50 PM
I have an old Glenfield that sat in the bottom of a golf bag for about 20 years.:( Such a shame to treat a firearm like this. It was given to me a couple years ago by my sister that cannot have a gun in her home at this time. I was apalled by the condition of this firearm that I took on a frog hunt about 40 years ago, and missed just once out of about 50 rounds. I haven't shot it yet, but am afraid I will not have the same good luck I had all those years ago. But I doubt I'll have the patience to nurse it back to it's proper self, if it is tired of life.
March 13, 2008, 01:07 AM
the only parts that usually wear out on this, is the buffer, and the feed throat assy. if anyones is having trouble feeding, you may need a new feed throat. Cal marlin or egunparts, and have your serial number with you, they will need that.
March 13, 2008, 01:18 AM
I bought mine and it was jamming from within the first 10 rounds. Put it in the safe and have not dealt with it since.
Call Marlin. They will take care of it.
chris in va
March 13, 2008, 02:07 AM
I had one, my very first gun. POS, wouldn't feed more than 6 rounds before jamming. Traded it at a pawn shop for a 410.
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Lords Of Chaos: The Bloody Rise Of The Satanic Metal Underground (Book Review)
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I had to do at least one book review this month about a metal book that doesn't suck! (See this months reviews of Stairway To Hell and The Virgin Encyclopedia of Heavy Rock).
I cannot say enough good things about this book! They say you can't judge a book by it's cover..well… in this case, you probably could. The title is cool and attention grabbing and the picture is a beautiful photo of a church spire going up in flames framed against a stormy dusk sky. It's not beautiful in the sense of I enjoy seeing ANY shrine, temple church, etc, being destroyed but it is a gorgeous visual representation of something most of us will hopefully never see, and it is extremely well done from a photography point of view. This is the part where I curse not having a scanner to show you the cover.
This is without a doubt the finest and most in depth, academic study of the phenomena of Black Metal. It is a truly fascinating read. The authors do extremely well not to praise or condemn but merely to accurately document the history of Black Metal. They have succeeded. Starting with a look at a history of occult imagery in rock music as far back as the 60's the book follows a linear history of Satanism, occultism and paganism in rock and metal all the way up to the to late 90's.
The book is extremely well researched and very, very thorough. The authors conduct many interviews with people like Samoth, Ihsahn, Bard Eithun, and numerous members of the Scandanavian Black Metal Scene. The highlight I felt was the incredible blow by blow (literally) detailed analysis about the murder of Oystein Aarseth (Aka Euronymous of Mayhem) by Varg Vikernes (aka Count Grisnachk of Burzum) A shocking and compelling chapter. The authors provided insightful analysis as to why perhaps, but without getting preachy. Chapter 6 simply entitled "Ashes" describes the wave upon wave of church burnings in Norway by members of the Black Metal scene. Other points include several interviews with members of bands (in and out of jail), about their views on race, religion mankind, heathenism, arson and murder.
There are dozens and dozens of excellent pictures, new clippings, drawings and a good appendix of key essays and news stories from Norway add to the academic credibility of such a study. At over 340 pages it was a pretty intense read. Fascinating, gruesome, horrifying and oddly compelling at the same time. It is a dark book and there are many descriptive graphic elements about murder and arson that may offend. Black Metal place in the history of music is secured by the acts of what amounts to a few dozen individuals that took a philosophy and lifestyle a bit too far bring fame and notoriety to what was once the smallest-sub-genre of all metal. This book is not only for Black Metal fans, but for all serious students of musical sub-culture, metal or otherwise.
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Elmar works closely together with Ann Weiser Cornell, teaches advanced Focusing tutorials, trains Focusing teachers and organizes international Focusing seminars for students in Europe. He is a psychologist from Hamburg University with a wide background of additional trainings, e.g. Coaching (C. Dinesen), Thinking Environment (C. Smith), body-centered psychotherapy (C. Caldwell, G. Downing), trauma therapy (B. Rothschild), Vipassana meditation (S. Moriceau) and Shiatsu body work.
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Player of the Game
This one goes to Shelley Duncan for his great pinch hit appearance in the 8th inning (more on that later). Duncan scored 3.73 'Player of the Game' points for his 2 run single, extra-base and run scored. Duncan has really taken advantage of Travis Hafner's injury and has won two 'Player of the Game' awards in the last three games, his only two of the season. Matt LaPorta was in the running for today's award as well until he allowed an unearned run in the 9th inning on one of the weirdest plays I've ever seen to end a game.
Feathers Up
The Indians 4 run 8th inning was set up perfectly by two great at bats from Michael Brantley and Shelley Duncan. Brantley took an 0-2 count and fouled off pitches until he went the other way to left with a sharp single. After Asdrubal Cabrera was safe on an error and Shin-Soo Choo was hit by a pitch, Shelley Duncan took 3 of the first 5 pitches he saw, including one ball that looked like it could have been strike three. Following that pitch, Duncan hit a ball deep to left-field that was almost a grand slam, but ended up being a single. The Indians scored 2 on that hit and 2 more later on a single by Orlando Cabrera to cement the victory.
The bullpen mafia was at it again tonight, with Vinnie Pestano, Tony Sipp, Rafael Perez and Chris Perez all pitching well. Pestano and Sipp each earned holds (number 6 for Pestano, 11 for Sipp) for their efforts and Chris Perez took home his 14th save of the season. So far this season, Pestano (1.42 ERA), Sipp (1.19), Rafael (1.02) and Joe Smith (1.88) all have ERAs lower than two and Chris Perez is sitting at 2.66. If there is anyone out there who doesn't think the Indians have one of the best bullpens in the majors, they aren't paying attention.
Feathers Down
Baserunning continues to be a problem area for the Tribe as another three Indians were tagged out on the base paths today. Asdrubal was picked off third after hitting a triple in the first inning, following which, Shin-Soo Choo hit a single that would have scored him. Carlos Santana and Travis Buck were each doubled off first on air outs. Santana's was more forgivable as it was a line drive to second that could have gotten over Ben Zobrist's head, but Buck was out on an easy fly to right. If Choo had been a little slower scoring on Santana's sacrifice fly, the run would have been negated by Buck getting out at first. Kenny Lofton was brought in during Spring Training to talk to the team about base running and the Indians started off really well in that aspect if the game. Maybe the Tribe should think about bringing him back as a permanent consultant or "base-running coach" if you will.
Jack Hannahan is currently in a monster slump after starting the season hot. In the last two games Hannahan is 0-7 with 4 strike outs, but his poor play goes back further than that. Using my 'Player of the Game' scoring system, Hannahan scored an average 1.84 'POG' points per game over his first 20 games (only Asdrubal Cabrera has averaged more than that so far this season). In his last 23 games he has averaged a 'POG' score of 0.38 which is worse than the season average of every Indian except Adam Everett. Jack isn't the only one slumping on the team. Orlando Cabrera has averaged only 0.02 'POG' points over his last 9 games and that includes today's score of 2.33. If these two guys continue slumping, it won't be long before Indians fans start calling for Lonnie Chisenhall and Jason Kipnis.
Final Score: Cleveland Indians 7, Tampa Bay Rays 3


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Over at Cincinnati Reds blog Chris Sabo's Goggles I had the pleasure of advising Brian of that fine site on the state of the Milwaukee Brewers going into the 2014 season. Brian answered some questions about the Reds for The Brewers Bar in between corking his bats and doing LensCrafters commercials. Check out my thoughts on the Brewers at his site here, and if you like, follow them on Twitter at @Goggles17.
TBB: What do you think of the new Reds manager Bryan Price? How will the change from Dusty Baker and a new coaching staff affect the team in 2014?
CSG: Way too early to tell, but I get the impression that the players trust him. The more distance we put between us and the 2013 season, the more players are starting to say how "different" things are with Price running the show. You don't have to read between the lines too closely to see what they mean (different = better). The big thing is that Price is asking for players to be accountable. If Brandon Phillips doesn't run to first base and gets thrown out, Price will sit Phillips. Dusty would let things like that slide too often and I think some players probably took advantage of that freedom.
TBB: Who is the most impactful new player for the Reds in 2014… Billy Hamilton?
CSG: It has to be Hamilton. Everyone knows how fast is, but very few people know how (if) he can hit at this level. He's certainly a game-changer if he's able to get on base.
TBB: The Reds ran into a willful Pirates team in the 2013 Wild Card game. So it goes. How can the Reds improve in 2014?
CSG: I'm not so sure that they have improved. The pitching staff got injured quite a bit last season, and it's doubtful the starting five rotation will be intact for the start of this season. Hamilton probably won't put up numbers like Choo, so other players like Zach Cozart, Chris Heisey and Todd Frazier will need to step up.
TBB: Are you surprised Brandon Phillips is still with the club after reports surfaced that he could be traded?
CSG: His contract made it tough to unload him, but it made complete sense to try. He's a lot of fun to watch, but it would've been nice to trade him for an almost-ready starting pitcher or a power-hitting left fielder. If the Reds are slow to get out of the gate this season, I think he'll be gone by the All-Star break. Teams are more willing to gamble on players/contracts during the season when they see that player as the "missing piece" they need.
TBB: Does Joey Votto walk too much to be as productive at the plate as perhaps he should be?
CSG: I'd rather he walk than strikeout, but the answer is "probably." I guess. I don't know. The tiring argument among Reds fans is that he's paid too much to walk. I don't understand what that means. Do I wish he hit more HRs and drove in more runs? Yes. But if Votto is getting on base and nobody is driving him in, then that's not really Votto's fault. It's just an easy excuse to blame Votto because he gets paid the most.
TBB: What's your prediction for the team's performance in the upcoming season and how do you see the NL Central shaking out?
CSG: The Reds did very little to improve the club in the offseason. Cueto is coming off a season of injuries, Latos is recovering from shoulder surgery and a bum knee, and Arroyo is gone. That's a lot of pressure on Homer Bailey, Mike Leake and Tony Cingrani. I think the Reds will hang in there with a 87-75 record. Whether or not that gets them into the playoffs remains to be seen.


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ODU and OU Announce Med School Early Acceptance Program
New Ohio Dominican University and Ohio University Heritage College of Osteopathic Medicine Partnership Assures Top High School Students a Path to Medical School
James Crosby | 8/20/2013, 3:39 p.m.
This joint program is available to select undergraduate students who:
· Have achieved a high school GPA of 3.5 or higher, and have received a score of at least 28 on their ACT.
· Have completed four years of English, Mathematics and Science courses, including Biology, Chemistry and Physics.
To remain in the program, students must meet certain criteria, which include maintaining a 3.7 overall cumulative GPA and a 3.6 cumulative GPA in all undergraduate science courses.
To qualify for the first class entering in the fall of 2014, high school seniors must be admitted to ODU no later than Nov. 15, 2013. Qualified applicants will be interviewed and accepted into the program by ODU and OU-HCOM administrators.
Ohio Dominican University is a four-year private liberal arts and master's institution, founded in 1911 in the Catholic Dominican tradition. The University has approximately 2,700 students and offers undergraduate degrees in 43 majors as well as nine graduate degree programs. Ohio Dominican uses a student-centered approach, with a commitment to quality teaching and learning.
The Ohio University Heritage College of Osteopathic Medicine is a national leader in training primary care physicians. The college is number one in Ohio and 11th nationally in medical schools that graduate physicians who practice in underserved rural areas. The state's only osteopathic medical school, the college opens a new site in Dublin, Ohio, in 2014, and in northeast Ohio in affiliation with Cleveland Clinic in 2015.


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Forty years ago this month, the U.S. Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade, the landmark case that recognized a pregnant woman's right to make her own decision about whether to carry a pregnancy to term or to end it. Since then, a dogged bloc of anti-choice politicians has attempted various creative methods to undermine that right by erecting barriers that make it harder for women to make the promise of Roe a reality.
Those efforts have reached a fever pitch in recent years. In the past two years, elected representatives throughout America passed almost 140 provisions designed to interfere with a woman's private decisions about abortion or birth control.
In Michigan, politicians rammed through a sweeping package of regulations referred to as the anti-choice "super-bill." In Virginia, Gov. Bob McDonnell pushed through construction standards for abortion clinics that will force many health centers to choose between costly retrofitting and shutting their doors. In Texas, Gov. Rick Perry cut funding to Planned Parenthood from the budget. Other bills were introduced requiring any woman seeking an abortion to undergo a trans-vaginal ultrasound and view the image.The bills demonstrate an antipathy towards women's reproductive rights and a lack of empathy and care for what pregnant women facing hard choices must endure. That lack of empathy (and ignorance) was never clearer than in Missouri Congressman Todd Akin's outrageous claim that a woman's body can "shut down" a pregnancy in the case of a "legitimate rape."
Voters in Missouri responded by shutting down Akin's aspirations of becoming a U.S. senator. And voters in Mississippi, Colorado, Florida and North Dakota all rejected ballot measures meant to restrict a woman's right to choose. When reproductive rights questions were put directly to the voters, the American people spoke clearly: we've had enough of trying to take women's decisions out of their hands.
But the threats to reproductive rights aren't happening only in other parts of the country. They're here in New Jersey, too.
In 2010, Gov. Chris Christie eliminated $7.5 million from the state budget for family planning clinics and he has refused to fund it every year since. When Christie first cut the funds, he blamed the budget. But even when New Jersey had a projected surplus, Christie still fought the funding.
The sting of the cuts was amplified in 2011, when Christie vetoed a measure to make New Jersey eligible to receive $15.1 million in federal funds for family planning centers to provide information and counseling on reproductive choices and birth control methods as well as provide critical cancer screenings and health care to low income women. New Jersey would have had to designate $1.1 million of already-existing funds for those services in order to receive the federal funds. However, Christie rejected that measure. His steadfastness against funding for family planning centers has come at the expense of both significant financial aid to our state and women's access to health services.
Christie's denial of funds appeared to clearly target Planned Parenthood and other family planning clinics that provided access to abortions. While the funding for family planning services would not have gone towards performing abortions, the loss of funding for other services would make it harder for the centers to stay open. (One would think that if legislators wanted to reduce the number of abortions, the most effective way would be to fund health services that provide, among other things, education and access to contraceptives.)
Sadly, the removal of funding has indeed had devastating results. Six centers in New Jersey have closed already. A dozen others have reduced their hours, and 26,000 fewer patients have been treated in them under the Christie administration, according to Senate Majority Leader Loretta Weinberg (D-Bergen) and Sen. Nia Gill (D-Essex), who both sought to reinstate the funds.
We must continue to fight for this necessary funding in New Jersey. And as Roe turns forty, we must be vigilant not only against the more obvious heavy-handed government intrusions into personal decision-making, but also the indirect barriers that anti-choice legislators attempt to implement, often under the radar, to undermine that historic decision.
Edward Barocas is acting executive director the American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey. Have an opinion? Share it at njvoices.com.


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PDC 2001 Keynote with Michael Wallent and Bill Gates
- PDC 2001 Keynote with Michael Wallent
- Speakers: Michael Wallent, Bill Gates, Jim Alchin, Robert Hess, Rudolph Giuliani, Craig Barrett, Joe Belfiore
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This PDC 2001 Keynote was all about the launch of Windows XP. The video also includes footage of Bill Gates and Regis Philbin playing a mock game of Who Wants to Be a Millionaire with all Windows XP-based questions. There's even a cameo from Sting!
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