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New Seth Godin title on education includes his take on libraries March 1, 2012Posted by Wendy Stephens in Check this out!.
Stop Stealing Dreams, author, entrepreneur and change agent Seth Godin's self-proclaimed "manifesto" on education, includes the blog entry on libraries which sparked much debate in the biblioblogosphere last year. Among Godin's assertions:
The next library is a house for the librarian with the guts to invite kids in to teach them how to get better grades while doing less grunt work. And to teach them how to use a soldering iron or take apart something with no user-serviceable parts inside. And even to challenge them to teach classes on their passions, merely because it's fun. This librarian takes responsibility or blame for any kid who manages to graduate from school without being a first-rate data shark.The next library is filled with so many Web terminals that there's always at least one empty. And the people who run this library don't view the combination of access to data and connections to peers as a sidelight—it's the entire point.
Wouldn't you want to live and work and pay taxes in a town that had a library like that? The vibe of the best Brooklyn coffee shop combined with a passionate raconteur of information? There are one thousand things that could be done in a place like this, all built around one mission: take the world of data, combine it with the people in this community, and create value.We need librarians more than we ever did. What we don't need are mere clerks who guard dead paper. Librarians are too important to be a dwindling voice in our culture. For the right librarian, this is the chance of a lifetime.
Those comments on the future of the library, Godin says, were his most-retweeted blog entry ever.
Stop Stealing Dreams traces many of the hallmarks of our current system of common schooling to an outdated industrial model and also talks about both dwindling and expanding prospects within the field of higher education. He also challenges fear-mongering comparing American schoolchildren with Asian counterparts, asserting that those systems are in fact creating compliant industrial workers of the sort which won't work well in the knowldge economy.
The text is available online in a number of ebook and electronic formats. It would make a great discussion for a teacher book club or professional learning community.
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There was an interesting post over on the New York SkyWatch blog, which raised many of the common questions that people have about various contrail anomalies. I've attempted to answer all of the questions here:
Question #1, why [do] jet contrails appear as if the jet engine is being deliberately turned on and off?
It's because the jet is flying through uneven areas of temperature and humidity. Explained here
Question #2, Explain why jet aircraft are leaving persistent contrails in grid patterns?
Because some jets fly north-south, and some east-west on airways that are several miles wide, and where they cross you get a grid. Winds at altitude blow at around 90mph, and these blow the trails across the sky, increasing the size of the grid.
Question #3, Shouldn't the entire sky be filled with contrails? Would we ever see any truly blue sky again if all jets left persistent contrails behind?
Sometimes there are a lot of contrails, and they do spread out and cover the sky. Sometimes there are only a few. Sometimes there are none. It depends on the weather. There are only a certain number of jets flying overhead every day. They have to be at the right altitude for contrails to form. In some weather conditions this is limited to only the highest jets, or sometimes just jets in a narrow band of humid air. On very cold humid days you will see a lot of contrails, but no more than the number of jet at altitude.
Question #4, I know that contrails are formed under certain weather conditions and altitudes. However, there are times when conditions do not exist for contrails to persist?
Then they will not persist. The problem here is that it is incredibly difficult to know what the humidity is at a specific time, altitude and location. Humidity measurements are done by sending up a balloon every 12 hours from weather stations 300 miles apart, the balloon can be blown hundreds of miles in a random direction during its ascent. How can you get an accurate local humidity reading at a specific time and place from a balloon reading 6 hours ago and 300 miles away, when humidity can vary enough for contrails to form or not form in as little as half a mile (as you can see from the broken contrails), and humidity can vary by 50% over the course of a day?
Question #5, Certain contrails even look like they are laden with chemicals. You know the ones I mean. The ones that appear to drip by the weight of their own substance, mushrooming along the bottom edge of the trail. C'mon what's in this stuff. It doesn't even look like ordinary condensation to me?
They are called "pendules", as seen in this pre-1991 photo, and described by Schaefer and Day in 1981. When a plane flies through the air at 500mph it creates wake turbulance, which is made up of wake vortices, (whirlpools of air), at regular intervals. These vortices make the contrail clump up in areas of greater and lesser density. In a dense persistent contrail, the vortices will produce the clumping pendules seen in the first photo. If the contrail is thin or not persistent, then they can leave interesting patterns which can resemble smoke rings. The type and visibility of the vortices will depend on the the size, shape and speed of the jet, as well as the turbulence and density of the air it is moving through.
Question #6, Speaking of abnormal, I have seen jets emitting contrails that are dark in appearance. I assumed that it might be the lighting conditions until I saw the black and white contrails side by side – check out this video?
I covered this in the "dark lines" article. It is the lighting conditions, the dark contrail is in shadow, and when you see contrails "side by side", the lighter contrail could well be ten miles behind (or a mile above) the darker contrail, and so not in shadow.
Question #7, Another interesting aspect to these dark trails is that the material drifts to the ground in clouds that resemble the black smoke from a nearby fire. I have observed this process several times in the fall. I haven't seen them since the beginning of the year?
Precipitation falling from clouds will look dark if it is in shadow, which is probably will be if the shadow is caused at sunset by a hill or cloud bank.
Question #8, And then there's the other trails that appear to swallow up other trails and clouds. One of my YouTube videos shows this quite clearly. My first impression was that someone had a HUGE washcloth and scrubbed a portion of the sky. And then I saw jets going through the cloud mass and the contrails that were left created lines in the mass that expanded and left the cloud in sections.
This effect was observed in 1944, it's basically a distrail, which is the opposite of a contrail, the cloud contains moisture, and the added moisture, particulates and turbulence of the jet passing through makes the amount of moisture in the air too great for it to exist as a cloud, so it precipitates as snow or rain. This wipes away the cloud where the contrail has been. This can also happen with cloud layers that are below the contrail, as precipitation from the contrail falls on the cloud layer. This is also known as "hole punch clouds" and "fallstreak holes". Distrails can combine with the vortices of question 5, as in the photo on the right.
I hope I've answered all these questions. If you feel there is still something unclear, or you have extra questions, then please leave a comment below.
*UPDATE* Some more questions were raised in the comments, and I'll add them here, with answers.
Question #9, On your website you have a picture of one jet leaving a "chemtrail" with another jet at the same altitude in the background is not leaving one. I have seen jets side by side and one leaving a normal contrail and another leaving a chemtrail?
See this post for a full discussion.
There are two possibilities. either the jets are not at the same altitude, and just look like they are because of the viewing angle, or they have different engines with different exhaust characteristics. The more efficient an engine is, the more likely it is to leave a lasting contrail, as there is more water in the exhaust. The photo on the right shows an Airbus A340 (maiden flight: 1991) on the left, leaving contrails, and a Boeing 707 (maiden flight: 1957) not leaving contrails. Both are flying at 33,000 feet (part of a German test to study contrail formation), but the newer engines of the A340 produce more water vapor.
Questions #10, How do you explain pictures of aircraft spraying chemtrails from ports other than the engines?
It's an optical illusion. The contrails come from the engines. Engine exhausts contain a lot of water, which (combined with the water in the air), condenses, freezes and causing the contrail. Because it's hot when it exits the engine, it takes a fraction of a second to condense and freeze (in 40 below temperatures). So it begins to freezes about 100 feet behind the engines, which makes it look like it's coming from the ends of the tail section. This illusion is stronger on a shorter two-engine plane – look at the inner engines on the picture on the right. Since it's a four engined 747 (240 foot long), the contrails form before the tail section, but with shorter planes such as a 767-300 (180 foot long) the contrails would be forming about at the tips of the tail section when viewed from below (although they are actually well underneath the tail, as you can see in the close-up).
In very humid conditions, the turbulence caused by the aircraft itself can cause moisture in the air to condense, and hence freeze. This happens in areas of low pressure above the wing, and in the wingtip vortices, so you can get what looks like a solid sheet of contrail from the wing, and thin streamers from the wing tips (and maybe the tail), combined a bit further back with the engine contrails, as in the photo on the right. These low-pressure wing contrails can form at any altitude, given the right humidity, and account for the tales of planes landing "still spraying".
Question #11, How do you explain scientists testing the fallout and finding aluminum, barium, nano particles, fungus, molds, viruses, etc in the mix?
They did not test contrails, they just tested some stuff they found on the ground, with no indication that it was connected with contrails (it would take several days for aerosolized matter to reach the ground, and by that time it would have been spread hundreds of miles from the original site). Most of the things they claim to have found are things that naturally occur in air and dirt.
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Interesting site you have. There is always more to learn…
Made a permanent link from my site to yours.
There are 3 very important items your website doesn't address:
1) You do not give a plausible reason why the "contrails" linger for hours and disperse into clouds. If, as you say, these are moisture and temperature differences then they would normalize almost as fast as normal contrails. Any difference in temperature or moisture would not be enough of a difference to make any significant difference. Obviously, there are other materials involved that do not dissipate as rapidly. These materials appear more like crop dusting or sky writing but because of their characteristics. Since weather control and modification has been around for many decades I do not see why the government does not admit what is going on. Unless there is something to hid in the makeup of the materials. Which is why you have this misdirection propaganda website.
2) Why didn't we see these "contrails" 20 or 30 years ago? An argument there are more jets now doesn't hold facts. More jets would not cause these conditions based on the facts given. More jets in the air would not account for the moisture and temperature differences.
3) On your website you have a picture of one jet leaving a "chemtrail" with another jet at the same altitude in the background is not leaving one.
I have seen jets side by side and one leaving a normal contrail and another leaving a chemtrail. There is no way around it. The government with cooperation from the airlines is putting toxic chemicals in the atmosphere.
You should be ashamed of yourself for participating in this crime against humanity.
I also noticed you have your website ownership hidden. Who are you really?
It is funny how the only new thing you have offered are some photos from 1969. That is a lot earlier than anyone has ever noticed them. Are you sure they are not government test photos? Since people have checked even back issues of magizines and have found them in 1984 it seems strange you can come up with photos from a place which looks like it is on a mountain top in Colorado in 1969. It is consitant with other data on your site that I am still scratching my head as to where you got it.
Most people noticed them in the late 1990s for the first time. That is reported as when the project was stepped up. I spent a lot of time in my youth outdoors and didn't see them in the 60s, 70s or 80s.
I even made several trips across the US and to Alaska. Worked for an outfitter in British Columbia and logged in Montana for years. I didn't see any during that time.
How do you explain pictures of aircraft spraying chemtrails from ports other than the engines? How do you explain scientists testing the fallout and finding aluminum, barium, nao particles, fungus, molds, viruses, etc in the mix?
You know, anybody that wants any credibility on these subjects should have some bio in the about and not appear to be hiding.
Why do you prefer the politcally-correct term "contrail" when it's impossible for jets to create these trails without engines that burn and dispense jet fuel into their paths? The last I checked, jet fuel is a chemical. Are you trying to assert that residual jet fuel chemicals aren't mingled with the condensed water vapor as the jet flies by?
A chemical, is a chemical. If the vapor trail contains chemicals it is, by definition, a chemtrail regardless how those chemcials got there, or why they are there. Let's not obfuscate the matter with provocative theories used to discredit real facts. The facts are clear – those are chemtrails. Whatever they spew into the air eventually ends up in our lungs, our soil and our water.
Yes. Exactly. That IS my point.
But, since we're not talking about everything here – just vapor trails – I'm focusing on airplane chemtrails. The intermingling of poisonous jet fuel exhaust with existing water vapor.
I agree car exhaust is nefarious, and that we get lots of it in our lungs. Secondhand smoke, lead in the baby toys, mercury in the water, etc. That's a huge leap of logic to assume I'm o.k. with any of it.
I'm not just picking on avio-pollution. I don't appreciate breathing poison, regardless where it comes from. And sure, water is a chemcial – the whole universe – is made of chemcials. Some support human life, others kill it. Would it help you if I differentiated and called them "Deadly Chemtrails?"
The quote from the 1945 Saturday Evening post is ironic. It's common knowledge the U.S. military sprayed anti-radar chaff in mass quantities over Germany during WWII. In fact, none of the other quotes contain anything to debunk covert spraying operations. The writers of those quotes had no knowledge of what was in those trails. They just repeated the Party line, unknowingly perpetuating the politcally-correct term instead of asking questions.
Ever wonder why "chemtrail" is not in the dictionary? Even the most die-hard debunker would have to concede that many of the "contrails" actually contain dangerous chemicals from jet exhaust and are, by definition, chemtrails. Why are people so freaked out by that word?
And why are people so quick to remove the obvious, and admitted, chemtrail activity from the discussion? Cropdusters, anti-radar chaff, weather modification and others ARE part of the chemtrail problem. By trying to pigeonhole the discussion into mind-control experiments and other more creative theories, you seem to be missing the overall point – we don't want pollution dropped on our soil, into our water or inhaled into our lungs. That's not so much to ask.
As soon as researchers provide incontrovertible proof of chemtrails (as above), there is always some skeptic raising the burden of proof by switching theories. Certainly you don't expect the government to voluntarily release information on top secret projects that have yet to be "proven" do you? Exactly how do you think independent chemtrail reearchers are supposed to get access to the payload manifest of a top secret mission if it were, in fact, spraying some crazy mind-control chemicals, for example?
I appreciate the work you've done here, and enjoy all the science. I guess I just disagree with the limited premise of your argument.
My question is in regard to the response for Question #11
Question #11, How do you explain scientists testing the fallout and finding aluminum, barium, nano particles, fungus, molds, viruses, etc in the mix?
A: They did not test contrails, they just tested some stuff they found on the ground, with no indication that it was connected with contrails (it would take several days for aerosolized matter to reach the ground, and by that time it would have been spread hundreds of miles from the original site). Most of the things they claim to have found are things that naturally occur in air and dirt.
Why haven't the contrails/chemtrails themselves been independently tested to see what is in them?
Have you looked into the story that was in the Idaho Observer about the family that collected samples of "dust" from all around their home following a heavy rain? According to the story, a lab found bacteria, viruses, vaccines, sedatives, among other things. Viruses, bacteria, and some chemicals may normally be found in the air and dirt, but certainly not sedatives or vaccines.
That's reasonable. I consider "normal aircraft emissions" dangerous chemtrails, you don't. That IS a matter of semantics, but I think logic is on my side on that one. No biggie. You just didn't strike me as one of those politcally-correct type.
I don't have theories or rumors. I'm keeping it simple:
1. Jet exhaust is poisonous
2. Crop dust is poisonous
3. Radar chaff is poisonous
4. Poisoning humans without their knowledge and permission is nefarious
Even if those are the ONLY things going on in the sky, I am concerned.
When you include our military's capabilities and historical precendence for conducting secretive projects that kill people, I become more concerned. When you include our government's gross incompentence at doing much of anything correctly, safely or with the permission of the people you can see why so many people are interested in watching the sky.
How could you possibly know everything the government is doing in secrecy? If you don't know everything, and given the circumstances above, I can't figure out why you turn a blind eye to the myriad other possibilities.
Hey U – yeah, that's basically it. I guess you could call this campaigning for cleaner air. I started simply researching the phenomena. I'm really open-minded, and fairly skeptical.
If we can't collectively agree that there are dangerous chemicals in the vapor trails, we've got no basis for a debate though. How can we get to the juicy topics like HAARP, geoengineering and others if we can't agree on something so self-evident as those things that have been openly admitted?
Are you in disagreement over ANY of this (below) ?
1. Jet exhaust is poisonous
2. Crop dust is poisonous
3. Radar chaff is poisonous
4. Poisoning humans without their knowledge and permission is nefarious
I'm especially curious what your reply to number 4 is. I'm not asking if we poison people other ways, worse ways, or more overt way. I'm not asking for a comparison to other forms of atmospheric damage. I'm interested to see where your conscience lies.
ok then, lets get to the nitty gritty, riddle me this you coverup clown?
1.what exactly has changed since 1999 that makes contrails so thick, fluffy and goddamn visible and able to collectively blot out the sun?
2.how come, since around this time when contrails/chemtrails (semantics anyhoo, what are you lot? taxonomists?) suddenly became so visible and prevalent in the lower atmosphere -and on days when the humidity of the air should not allow their formation- are they there?
3.why is it these trails are only seen over land and usually population centres?
4.why on the same day as i observed a grid of unfading, sun hazing &blocking cuntrails (my own addition to the semantic debate) did i observe a contrail like those i saw in my youth- one that faded at around the same rate as the plane leaving it was travelling, appearing in the sky as a constant length "ribbon" behind the plane.
5.why are there documents and admissions from governments since the war, proposing weather modifications to combat climate issues, drought problems and as a military weapon/tool and as you would have us believe they have not been carried out?
6.there are proposed military advantages to weather modification, aerosol operations to aid/block communication and to block enemy satellite imagery, now considering this and the nature of the american military complex's fervour for all that is warlike, are you to have us believe that they are not? interested in possibly the most powerful weapon the earth has to offer?
pull the other one its got bells on mate!
now i suggest you stop wasting your time debunking one of the stories that is already general knowledge and get on with covering up your secret little club instead, cos frankly i cant be bothered.
oh and where are your scientific credentials? identity? supporters for your viewpoint? everyone on this site is questioning you, your theories, your political stance, i dont see any scientific luminaries jumping in to defend your standpoint.
may you live in interesting times.
one more thing. it is in evidence and in plain sight that these trails, whatever they may be, consistently have a very severe effect on the weather, turning the sky from crystal blue to hazed over resulting in complete "cloud" cover- synthetic or otherwise -in just a matter of hours.
so to logic point 1:
whether this is a manipulated phenomena or an observed one, it is evident and indisputable that it happens.
logic point 2:
the phenomena is either manipulated or an accidental effect of aircraft exhausts
logic point 3:
if the phenomena is manipulated and intentional -if not in the public domain its a cover up
logic point 4:
if the phenomena is accidental every aviation and airforce employee and scientist are amazingly stupid
logic point 5:
if folk are messing with the weather we should know about it and do cos we can see it.
logic point 6:
it would be advisable to take this site down cos noones buying the "its just water vapour" bollocks – AS WE CAN SEE THE TRAILS CHANGING THE WEATHER.
(anyway CONtrails are not not "vapour" as such, as that would imply steam, they are actually ice crystals which is why they are so visible and why they used to disperse at a fairly constant rate, unlike what we see nowadays with the aerosol operations stuff they disperse but mingle and create "cloud cover".
also back to the points made by jake 59 above about how no photographic documentation exists of this phenomena of persistent trails before around 84 and then it is very sparse, a boom in 1999 specifically of this activity- to my knowledge they didnt change all the aircraft engines or jetfuel simultaneously in this year, and its funny how this doesnt happen in every country in the world- only those affiliated with the western military industrial complex. the US, the UK, Canada etc. dont see much documentation of these trails over eastern europe of africa? and dont try and sell me the one about "it only happens where the weather is right" cos that wouldnt be science much like most of the gobbledygookj on this page.
scientific readers of this page would do well to read the paper on the left "contrail uncertainties" while not the greatest of papers admittedly it draws the conclusion and a pretty definite one at that, that CIRRUS CLOUD FORMATION CAN BE CAUSED BY AIRCRAFT CONTRAILS, now with this accepted as a scientific truth we can go one of two ways.
we can control, monitor and manipulate flight plans (altitude,path engine temp/design etc.)and use this phenomena to an advantage- a particular humanistic tool developed from this would be the ability to cool desert areas for drought prevention or a more global approach would be the ability to control the temperature and sun penetration over the entire earth and bring an end to global warming.
or 2.
we can control, monitor and manipulate flight plans and not tell the public cos it might scare em and there may be some distinct military advantage to be gained from this and besides we could add some more stuff to the exhaust and get all sorts of different effects!
but were not sure what, so because of our nefarious military and political motives we thought wed test it out before we told anyone. we could play it off the ionosphere manipulator we've built in alaska too and see if we can really fuck the earth up.besides if we control the skies we can drug/poison or go to biological war with anyone we like if we can make it rain where and when we want to with little or no detection. we run the earth in ways you silly sheep will never find out about etc etc etc cue mad despotic laughter.
now with a familiarity of world history and human nature what do you think they did? when they figured out that HUMANITY CAN CONTROL THE EARTHS WEATHER!
even though the paper ive cited is very vague on the upshot of this knowledge and its possible uses- fact is AEROPLANES CAN CAUSE CLOUDS AND MANIPULATE THE ATMOSPHERE! so why dont we know who the orchestrators are? oh sorry we do my bad.
draw your own conclusions folks but if i was in govt and someone told me they could control weather systems using a mode of transport already in use and easily manipulate this function secretly via air traffic controllers, who are preoccupied mainly with keeping planes in the sky! and never see the whole picture anyway because of military flights adding to and being part of the effect.
you'd just say ok we'll just let the aircraft companies deal with the weather shall we? could be the most important discovery since the atom bomb but hey theyre just contrails, hide it away in a climate paper and forget about it.yeah right and my left nutsack has his own condo and goes to mexico for the weekend with jonny the magical spacedragon in his flying invisible car.
Thank you for debunking this ludicrous Chemtrail theory that has been orchestrated by people with either very very very little scientific knowledge of basic principals of weather and the atmosphere, or very little education in general.
Chemtrail theorists aggravate me to no end after taking a meteorology course as well as several other environmental courses in University.
Thank you for debunking this ludacris Chemtrail theory that has been orchistrated by people with either very very very little scientific knoldge of basic principals of weather and the atmosphere [sic]
For example: [BROKEN LINK]
I'm surprised that "Chemtrails are DUMB" knew there was a 'b' on the end of the word "dumb". He spends his post insulting the smarts of the majority of posters to this page, yet misspells new fewer than four words.
It would seem he's taken a page out of Karl Rove's playbook: blame the messenger.
I've come to this page in a search to find out what's going on in the sky above my Firebird. The t-tops allow me to see more than most. I noticed this phenomenon a few years ago independently. To find this page, I didn't search for chemtrails. I searched for contrail science.
I also don't remember these almost daily persistent contrails from my own youth, and I'm 34. Your supposition that it's all due to more efficient jet engines dispersing more water seemed feasible, until I checked out the link Hector left above.
God bless you, Hector.
Now I'm convinced there really IS something going on, and the fact we're not being told about it is unconscionable.
they are controlling the amount of heat entering our planet by blocking Infrared rays given off by the sun and reflecting them back to outer space, this is really a vapor trail [NOT condensation TRAIL] they mix the chemical with jet fuel and vaporize it over the free world, It appears they mix this stuff in several places around the USA, my sciences friend told me It is a albumin base product that creates micro fine mist. Hope this Helps
On question #10:
On a movie from Carnicom I saw this "undenieable proof" that chemtrails exist:
The trails seem to come from the tail, so it must be chemicals they're spraying!
Well, actually, no. If you look at the blue line in front of the stabilizer you see that the condensation starts just ahead.
I took this image, resized it to webcam resolution and added some blurr.
This is the result:
In response to Q. 10: Galley and lavatory drains sometimes produce thin contrails as waste fluids are emitted from them. The flight attendents dump old pots of coffee, half empty soda cans, glasses of melted ice, and other liquid wastes down the galley drains. Lavatory sink drains are sometimes connected to the galley drains as well and plumbed to an overboard, heated drain mast or two on the belly of the aircraft. These wastes can create a thin, wispy contrail from the mast.
Some aircraft like older Boeings have an open-ended tube as a drain mast, allowing wastes to flow freely. Aircraft like the Airbus store the waste fluid until a predetermined level is reached then dump it all at once.
I've been thinking about the on/off contrails and what it means to the chemtrail conspiracy.
It strikes me that, if there is a method by which to switch the trail on or off, then whatever the supposed chemical is cannot be in the fuel. There has to be a seperate container for this trail chemical. If it was in the fuel you would have no control over when it trailed and when it didn't. In fact it would trail ALL the time.
So, therefore, if someone believes that the chemical is in the fuel then how is it possible for them to explain the on/off trails? If they believe it's in the fuel then they cannot believe in the trails being switched on or off. But chances are they believe both without considering how one negates the other.
Unless you bring in some other bizarre external force. Chances are it'd just get blamed on HAARP or something.
Also, from observations I have had some other thoughts that I was hoping people here could confirm…..
I've seen quite a few planes recently that appeared (operative word) to be at cruising altitude but not leaving a contrail (and I mean a non persistent contrail, a contrail that both sides can agree on). At the same time there are planes leaving contrails (non persistent contrails). There didn't appear to be any persistent contrails.
I read a lot here about the humidity and temperature having an effect on a trail's persistence, but these observations also lead me to believe that the amount of water than the plane produces from it's engine to also effect the persistance of the trail. Is this definitely the case?
Because, if so, then it's not hard to see that on a different day (i.e. different conditions up there, namely the conditions for persistent contrails) then those planes that were leaving no trails would be the ones leaving the contrails and those planes that were leaving contrails would be the ones leaving persistent contrails.
It would also be another reason why some planes leave persistent contrails and others don't, even if they ARE at the same altitude. They could even be the same plane. Maybe one plane is lighter than the other, which would mean it needs to burn less fuel, which would mean less water is produced by the engines. Again, this is my own logic that I've not confirmed anywhere but it makes sense to me. Could do with others confirming it though?
Hopefully that makes sense.
I live in the UK. Is that site any use?
I just mean that on persistent contrailing days you either see persitent contrails or contrails.
On non persistent contrail days you either see contrails or no trails.
I would be interested to know the height of the planes producing no trails at all. The weird thing is that it's these planes that I would've thought would be more sinister to the chemtrail theorists.
Been reading a bit about contrail factor.
Hard going. The chemistry's a bit beyond me. But…
This means that the wake parcel approaches ambient conditions along a line with a slope equal to the ratio of the water vapor added by engine exhaust to the increase in temperature caused by the heat added to the parcel by the jet engine
… suggests to me that the amount of water produced by the engines is important as to what type of contrail you'll get.
Can't get my head around the graph, mind.
What I'm interested in now is what kind of things would effect how much water an engine produces, trying to consider how two identical planes might be able to produce different trails in the same conditions. Weight's the obvious one to me.
I am curious as to your thoughts about the ARM program.
It was started back in 1989.
This about the indirect and semi direct aerosol campaign where the government is admitting they are spraying chemicals into the atmosphere.
They seem to indicate aerosol spraying is limited in where it is sprayed and that it was as recent as 2004, however if this is related to national security, I doubt it's the whole story.
A: to test ground equipments ability to sense it
B: to try and determine effect of aerosols on clouds
virga said –
The trails seem to come from the tail, so it must be chemicals they're spraying!
Well, actually, no. If you look at the blue line in front of the stabilizer you see that the condensation starts just ahead.
I took this image, resized it to webcam resolution and added some blurr.
This is the result:
If we're talking about the same thing (extending in front of the lower engine), then what you're seeing in front of that engine IS the lower edge of the crescent moon. Look closely and you'll see it.
notice in many digitally animated kids movies the only thing you see in the sky is chemtrails.. never regular clouds.. Over the Hedge for example. Watch it.. And I also heard that they talk about chemtrails in grade 2 science books in some states saying they are protecting us from harmful UV rays… I've also heard many confessions from air traffic controllers saying they are ordered to route flights under these "climate modification" experiments.. I've personally heard from x military people who know exactly whats in it. including boron and molybdenum .. the cats outta the bag!
Obama's nazi administration has already admitted to "geo-engineering" the environment.. soo you may now delete this website.
Chemtrails are how they're geoengineering the environment.
When planes fly over on a clear day and spray aerosols they simply don't go away. Eventually the whole sky becomes blanketed.. This is a daily thing. All the clouds in the sky come from these military tankers. I have filmed these planes and there are no windows on them confirming they are not commercial flights. Ask any air traffic controller.. they've been instructed to route flights under these "Climate modification experiments". Simple observation of the sky undeniably confirms that our clouds are coming from these planes. Have a look for yourself.. Lately I've seen 2 planes one flying closely behind the other one leaving a long trail and the other none at all.. It is scientificly impossible for this to occur as the difference in temperature would not differ so greatly in such a small area..
Pinecone, you haven't read one thing on this site…and if you have, you didn't bother to really digest any of it.
Everything can be explained:
Persistent contrails have been known and observed for more than 70 years, the increase in air travel and the advent of more powerful engines has made the persistent contrails more prominent.
Yes, persistent contrails spread out into high cirrus clouds, no one is denying that. However, with the exception of those, clouds as you see them are exactly the same as they have been since the turn of the century and before. Look up the book "Cloud Studies" for pictures of "wave clouds" and wispy cirrus clouds identical to those the chemtrailers have dubbed "chemclouds".
The reason you don't see windows on the airplanes is that the sensors in cameras aren't good enough to register something two feet tall by one foot wide at 30,000 feet away. When you SEE a "chemtrail" go to http://flightaware.com/ and see if you can track the flight. If it's a commercial flight, it should be on there.
Two planes flying "closely" have to be at least 1000 feet apart, they are more than likely flying at different altitudes and as we all know, different altitudes could possibly have different temperatures and humidity.
By Pinecone – "Simple observation of the sky undeniably confirms that our clouds are coming from these planes."
Simple observation also tells us that the Sun orbits the Earth and that WE are the center of our Solar System. Science explains the truth. If these planes are spraying chemicals, why doesn't the "chemical stream" start RIGHT at the engine…why does the cloud appear 100 feet behind the airplane before you can even see it?
One more thing, please describe the characteristics and visual differences between persisting contrails and "chemtrails".
Simple observation of the sky undeniably confirms that our clouds are coming from these planes. Have a look for yourself.. Lately I've seen 2 planes one flying closely behind the other one leaving a long trail and the other none at all.. It is scientificly impossible for this to occur as the difference in temperature would not differ so greatly in such a small area..
"scientifically impossible for that to occur" ????
then how do you explain the photo on this very webpage?? the photo in Question #9….
It IS possible- different engines have different exhaust signatures resulting in different contrail behavior in the exact same sky. Plenty of research has been done to show how this is quite possible…and in fact, historical precedent over the last 40yrs has shown this to be true.
Contrails can and do form clouds…no one is denying that.
But 2 planes in the exact same sky can have different contrails…
If you base your observations on a foundation of ignorance, you are bound to draw false conclusions.
I'm starting to think you really believe this and you are just that stupid.. haha you and your family are breathing the air too. Keep up the good work ! I have checked the flight paths over my town and you know what I found? No planes fly over my community. None. Explain that.. and explain why planes do complete 180's over my town.. oh they must have got lost… and I have heard testimony's from pilots who fly these planes and they say they are doing it to help "fix" the planet. They insist the government is doing this for our own good. Of course they too are being lied to.
And what happened to hectors link? tisk tisk I detect foul play..
I'm wasting my time here anyway.. the US openly expressed some time ago that they wanted to control weather by 2025.. and they figured it out. All weather is controlled now.. and did you call HAARP a conspiracy?
http://willthomasonline.net/willthomasonline/Chemtrails_Timeline_1.html 1987 Haarp was patented. USA has been attacking Chinese underground bases and other targets with Haarp and chemtrails. Read up on it the science is fascinating! Too bad its used for evil.
I'm done here tho.. it was fun
Ugh, another YouTube "Science" lesson.
When YouTube is taken seriously for more than informational entertainment, we are all out of luck.
Please people, use a book every now and then, maybe even go to a library. Ooooo radical.
Please address why you are ignoring weather modification and other documented "tests" that directly refute your implied claim that chemtrails are not a problem.
The sheer fact that this website defends to the death something as simple as jet contrails gives it away!
If we were all nuts no one would give us the time of the day!
A lot of effort is being put into this because of course they aren't just contrails..
OOOOOOH and tha cats outa the bag ! AAgain!! They're goin down!! hahaha
…ummm….best read that "news" with a extremely critical eye…look who the author is:
Sorcha Faal
…this person – if real- is a notorious internet shyster who has written article after article of utterly nonsensical "news" for years…
See here for more background:
Just a quick look at some of "her" more recent articles suggest a severe problem with credibility…:
…and so Drac…what does a "normal" contrail look like?
OOOOOOH and tha cats outa the bag ! AAgain!! They're goin down!! hahaha
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Yes. Yes! Yes! YES! YESSS!!!! ……….. Er, NO
I was wondering the same thing abut that exhaust. Thansk for the info.
Seriously? People still believe there is something going on with regards to contrails in the vein of poisoning or weather control? I've seen no one present any credible research to support those claims. Look chicken littles, I lived right in the landing approach zone of a major international airport for 20 years growing up. From 1970 on, I saw a lot of airplane activity, and it included contrails from as far back as I recall.
I believe these rumours started to explode post-9/11, when every conspiracy theorist felt it was open season to run their mouths about EVERYTHING they've been holding on to for the past 20 years from The FBI Blew Up WTC & Pentagon to The Mafia Killed Kennedy (oh wait, that one IS true…J/K!)
Urban Legends are fun for a while, but this one seems to have become a Hydra. Come up with some hard evidence from a credible source about these ridiculous claims and maybe people may take you serously. Otherwise, Uncinus has the answer right.
A Partial History of Aerosol and Weather Related Technologies
[EDITED by Uncinus – link to original source – no big cut-and-paste please]
Ha, shows how well read you are.
In fact the origins of "mankind" are extraterrestrial.
Study all the ancient histories of the world…they all overlap.
have you even poked around
tell me what you think.
And the other thing is…..
Perhaps its not the question you keep asking that is important…
You keep asking people to prove what has changed about CONTRIALS, right?
Well of course lots has changed about them/fuel etc etc etc….
The bigger question is WHAT HAS CHANGED THE ENVIRONMENT/ATMOSPHERE.
If the atmosphere has changed..the contrails are also to the same forces.
It is a FACT that "artificial cloud cover" has impacts on all life on the planet.
I just learned about IRIDIUM SATELLITE GLARE that project the sun into our atmosphere by accident…
very interesting…
The mountain of evidence keeps stacking higher and higher…there are so many crazy things going on with electronic waves in our environment.
What has changed? PLENTY!
You dont need to look for the "change of contrails"…thats a documented fact..theres all sorts of different
types of "augmented contrails"/"spray systems".
And yes…I have plenty of bizzare photos, I'm sure you'll have a hard time with lots of them…
but I've got to work, unless you want to sign me up for a CIA disinfo job??
Question EVERYTHING you 've accepted without THINKING.
Dont be a SHEEP.
I take it you accept that there are some persistent contrails? What else might you have been wrong about? Maybe you should do a review of your beliefs to make sure the science is good, and it's not simply faith in your counter-culture that's feeding those beliefs.
WOW. READ man, READ what I write.
I never said there "are no persistant contrails".
So I'm not "wrong" about anything.
You are the IDIOT who is going out of your way
to shoot down any and all potential criticism of (what you call) "natural persistant contrails"
and their effect on ME or anyone else who gives a shit.
Get it?
I'm not willing to make ASSUMPTIONS that whats going on is not "BAD FOR MY HEALTH"….
I choose many things which are different than "the majority" because I know about how
UNHEALTHFUL many things are.
When my mom was young in rural Pennsylvania they grew up running out behind "the bug truck"
spraying DDT or whatever it was, because they didnt know any better.
Know we know better. I know better.
I RIDE A BICYCLE in LOS ANGELES man…
dont talk to my about pollution…
Thats about it for our conversation, its all a little too
bizzare that you are running this site and choose to remain "anonymous" and "between jobs".
Shouldnt we meet and have a group discussion about this?
Where do you want to meet?
Lets do it Anon!
car exhaust
plane exhaust
By CTYForganization:
"I'm not willing to make ASSUMPTIONS that whats going on is not "BAD FOR MY HEALTH"…. I choose many things which are different than "the majority" because I know about how UNHEALTHFUL many things are.
"I RIDE A BICYCLE in LOS ANGELES man…dont talk to my about pollution…"
It looks to me like you're a bit confused with regards to what is healthy and what isn't. If you're riding your bike in LA, I would assume that you're dodging traffic and breathing exhaust. If so, you have a lot more immediate ways to die (or become ill) than any "chemtrail" (persistent contrail) could do to you five miles above your head.
By CTYForganization:
"I choose many things which are different than "the majority" because I know about how UNHEALTHFUL many things are."
Maybe one of those things that you do differently could be learning a little bit about Meteorology and Aviation physics? At least it would help sort things out for you, rather than simply throwing all of your eggs into the conspiracy theory basket based on the say so of self appointed internet experts.
By CTYForganization:
"You are the IDIOT"
"its all a little too bizzare that you are running this site and choose to remain "anonymous" and "between jobs". Shouldnt we meet and have a group discussion about this? Where do you want to meet? Lets do it Anon!"
The modus operandi of a chemtrailer, when your false beliefs are threatened by indisputable facts, attack the messenger.
From Wiktionary
ad hominem (plural ad hominems)
1. (logical fallacy) A fallacious objection to an argument or factual claim by appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim; an attempt to argue against an opponent's idea by discrediting the opponent himself.
2.A personal attack.
With regards to Uncinus revealing his identity, please use an ounce of common sense. Do you really believe that, if Uncinus went public with his identity, people wouldn't harass him or attempt to "silence the disinfo agent"? HE has nothing to do with the discussion, simply refute the information he presents by citing facts, studies and sources. Oh that's right, chemtrailers beliefs are based on covert ops, government conspiracies and illuminati bogeymen.
Maybe you could start presenting some facts as to how YOU can tell the difference between persistent contrails and "chemtrails"? If not, you'll simply end up on the long list of chemtrailers that came here to spew uninformed internet nonsense, got frustrated and left.
actually i came here to find flight/weather data..links to good satellite feeds.
you waste alot of time re-stating what seems obvious to you.
Everything is not alright.
And you waste a lot of time talking so much bluster, but no time backing up your claims with legitimate studies or facts.
Please start producing some visible differences between "chemtrails" and persistent contrails, unless *gasp* there aren't any?
If after over 10 years of investigation, granted by grass roots efforts since all attempts to have the agencies that SHOULD be doing this work have been ignored and dismissed, and those agencies have been negligent, and in fact disruptive, ANYONE who has looked into the issue knows full well the difference between persistent contrails and so-called "Chemtrail". The word chemtrail itself makes studying the issue harder since it makes it look like it's only one thing. There is no definition of a "chemtrail"
All anyone with fully functioning eyesight has to do is look up for more than 30 seconds. Illegal aerosol operations produce trails that in no way behave like normal contrails. Normal contrails do not "drip", they do not spread, they are NOT normal contrails.
If anyone is seriously interested in this issue, do the homework, or at least read up about it from those who have. NO ONE would want to believe such dangerous and frightening use of aerosols is happening. This would mean that there is something going on and it is sanctioned by the military/industrial complex of the globe. It would mean that the results of these programs are devastating to humans and all other life forms on the planet are considered collateral damage, and "they" just flat don't care.
You can sit back and scoff. You can sit back and be in denial. None of those things are going to stop these programs from continuing to harm you and ecological and biological systems. The programs will continue, and the damaging effects will as well. OR…you can catch up. Listen to all of these interviews and read all of the accompanying papers and then tell me there is no such thing as illegal aerosols being used on a global scale on this planet. Denial is a very comfortable place to live, but it's not real, illegal aerosol use is.
This is the way I saw it a few years ago and it hasn't changed, the harvest has more than begun
By LorieK
"All anyone with fully functioning eyesight has to do is look up for more than 30 seconds. Illegal aerosol operations produce trails that in no way behave like normal contrails. Normal contrails do not "drip", they do not spread, they are NOT normal contrails."
Everything you have said here is 100% false, all of these things are attributes of persistent contrails. Ignorance is also a very comfortable place to live, but it is not real, science is.
For some interesting information, check out the link below. It gives links to articles regarding observed contrail behavior that pre-dates WWII.
This link shows 12 Life Magazine cover photos between 1940 and 1980, all of these have persisting contrails in them. http://contrailscience.com/life-magazine-contrail-photos/
"Normal contrails do not "drip", they do not spread, they are NOT normal contrails. "
Why do so many have such a distorted and ignorant perception of the facts. I see this claim made over and over and over and all it's serves to do is PROVE the ignorance of the individual making the claim! I read this an immediately understand that the person who wrote it has "learned" about the subject of "chemtrails" from online fear mongers and hasn't bothered to take the time to learn about persistent contrails. It's an admission of ignorance on the subject.
I feel the same way faithinscience. You know that they came directly from a "chemtrail" site without even looking up any scientific information on contrails.
to Suntour…100% false is quite a statement. To say there has been no look at "science" in 10+ years of research is just patently false.
There's plenty of science to be found here
And specifically
In addition, I have learned more "science" about atmospherics, weather and related topics than I ever wanted to know. How does one explain "contrail" formation when wind temps aloft are not sufficient for normal contrail formation, yet "contrails" are there? For 12 years now I have been saying that I wouldn't spend another 30 seconds on this if it wasn't "real"…I am still waiting to quit.
There are THREE separate things here, not two…there are "normal" contrails, persistent contrails, and trails left from illegal aerosol operations. Please don't think that either of the first two are the source of our concern.
Myself and the others who have also learned and used plenty of "science" over the years have no problem if someone can explain what is happening, we would all like to be rid of the work and get our time and energy back to "normal". No one WANTS this issue to be true, why would we? We are all on the same side here, the welfare of life on the planet. There is no need to be adversarial about any discussion, we are all in this together
And by the way, those old links you showed me? I saw them, and more (sigh, too many more) years and years ago. That is about persistent contrails, and was comparative to 2nd grade in this investigation. So don't presume others have not already found what you are sharing. But I do so encourage you to continue to investigate and read, and watch. There is nothing personal in this issue. I respect your intelligence to examine ALL the information and deduce for yourself. Heck, look at Clifford's background….
this is not a guy that doesn't work with and understand "science". We're not some Internet junkies with too much time on their hands. Read the papers, do the homework, we've saved you a lot of time by gathering the information for over a decade. PLEASE show if and where you find inaccuracies, every little bit helps. Check out the papers related to ELF, bloodwork, and environmental samples that were cultured over the last year. Specifically cultures related to the sample ignored by the EPA which has been held in custody since it was originally submitted. Don't you think we don't know this sounds like some bad science fiction movie? I wish to God I could walk out of the theater on this one. Not use or look at "science" , give me a break.
I also forgot to say….no the wing tip votices thing also does not apply. I don't have time right now to dig out that one at the moment, but it doesn't work as an explanation. When I can, I'll come back about that, unless there's going to be a bunch of ad hominum attack stuff coming back at me. Been there, done that, so over it.
Ok, I thought of where to grab one real quick, it's not the thing I wanted, but I have got to go, so here's a quick shot at it for you….wing tip vortices are mentioned, but I do have more regarding that subject.
Have a nice evening.
How does one explain "contrail" formation when wind temps aloft are not sufficient for normal contrail formation, yet "contrails" are there?
How would you explain the fact that the forecast and published temps aloft over the northern Texas area yesterday were substantially lower than what we actually experienced? This caught everyone off guard and we were all having to stop our climbs below our intended cruise altitude. I saw -42 at FL400. Pretty rare for this time of year. Then there was an inversion down through the 30s that wasn't charted either.
My point is that weather is just too fluid and often unpredictable. I see so many statements about the properties of the atmosphere that I fly in on a daily basis that are just too general and reveal a persons true understanding of the atmosphere.
"It's too dry up there to make contrails"
"it's not cold enough up there to make contrails"
These statements are similar to the absolute statements people make about aircraft activity:
"commercial jets just don't do that"
"aircraft can't make those types of maneuvers"
"I live in an area with virtually no aircraft traffic"
"these are not normal flight patterns"
"those are not normal markings"
"commercial aircraft are never all white"
Please keep in mind that I literally make my living and stake my life as well as my passengers lives based on my knowledge and understanding of the weather and I'm the first to admit that weather is tough to get! It's always changing in ways we may never fully grasp.
Well then captfitch, you of all people will most appreciate the information….once you read it.
Well Lorie, I read as much of Carnicom website as I could. Too exhaustive, exhausting and it seemed like every page had something too unscientific to read. I looked over his bio. Impressive but I didn't see any training in meteorology, atmospheric research or even anything related to aviation. Does he have any formal training in ANY of those fields. How about aerodynamics? It just seems like anyone who has any familiarity with that field would instantly see those wingtip vortices in the pics.
And the weatherwars site is just plain stupid. All the same info and then someone there claims there's a whole SECOND look-alike fleet of commercial aircraft doing the spraying!??!?!?! Seriously? Where are they hiding all these planes? The gov't can't even get a contract together on a tanker replacement program and you expect them to pull together another fleet of planes? Are they all drones?
Finally, and I've raised this point before but- if I'm up there everyday getting direct contact with this stuff why do I feel so darn good? Are they spraying something that makes me healthier? If so I'm all for it! Spray away my government overlords!
If he can't even get the basic physics of water right, then why would you read any further?
"A facsimile of science" is right. If you check his vocabulary you'll see it is very indirect. Good science always attempts the most direct and incontrovertible expressions, and these you will not find within his vocabulary.
I might add that Clifford Carnicom never uses the word "stratosphere", even though this is where the majority of trails are made.
The "stratosphere" is distinct from the troposphere (which we experience) by being LAMINAR, STABLE, very cold, and with a gradient of temperature which INCREASES with altitude.
I cannot emphasize how great the difference is between the stratosphere and the troposphere to which we are accustomed.
This difference accounts for the majority of ignorant claims made by "chemtrailers".
None of us, of course, accepts responsibilty for the ignorance of these people. How can we? We give them the best information we can, and they cannot or will not accept it.
People without scientific understanding appear to believe that scientific truth is negotiable, rather as if it were a non-scientific subject.
This isn't the case…
I hate to quibble with you Jazz but all turbine powered aircraft travel in the troposphere and occasionally in the tropopause. We can't make it to the stratosphere. Are you generalizing the troposphere into the stratosphere? I guess you could do that but we consider it a whole seperate layer because it doesn't share the same properties. Frankly we don't even know when we've made the switch into the tropopause most of the time. My plane's computer defaults the tropopause at FL360 and stops computing for standard lapse rate but that's all behind the scenes. In summer you can tell where it's at because the storms stop there but that doesn't always hold true either- sometimes they punch through.
If you would like to comment, or ask questions about Contrails or The Chemtrail Theory,
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Seeing these tweets from @pensbender jammed us up all over again:
Chris Conner has played two games and has only been on the ice for 13 shot attempts. He's been on the ice for 23 against.
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For perspective of how bad that is, his total ice time is 21.1 minutes. 13 shot attempts – so shot attempt, not even a shot, every 1.62 min.
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The Hobgoblin of Little Minds? Our Foolish Law of Inconsistent Verdicts
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University of North Carolina (UNC) at Chapel Hill - School of Law
Harvard Law Review, Vol. 111, No. 3 (1997).
What should a court do when a single criminal jury reaches logically irreconcilable verdicts--for example, convicting one defendant of conspiracy but acquitting her sole alleged coconspirator? The Supreme Court has unanimously decreed that a court should do nothing: it should leave the verdicts undisturbed. To reverse the inconsistent conviction would not only require guesswork about what produced the inconsistency, but would also be unfair to the government. The government, after all, might have been the victim of the jury's error, but the Double Jeopardy Clause precludes it from appealing the inconsistent acquittal. To avoid this unfairness, the Court concludes, the defendant must accept her conviction, just as the government must accept the acquittal.In this Article, Professor Muller demonstrates that this do-nothing approach to inconsistent verdicts masks a deep pro-government bias. He argues that the Court has both underestimated the harms that inconsistent verdicts pose to criminal defendants and overstated the impact of such verdicts on the government. He also notes that the Court has imagined only all-or-nothing solutions to the problem of inconsistent verdicts: either reverse all inconsistent convictions, or affirm them all. Professor Muller suggests two solutions that would allow courts to try to distinguish and disturb only those inconsistent convictions that likely resulted from pro-government jury error.
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30x30x30 Blogathon Post #13: June 13th – Gini Dietrich
I am thrilled to have Gini Dietrich on Day 13 of the Personal Branding Blogathon. My initial connection with Gini Dietrich had nothing to do with my passion for personal branding, marketing, or social media. Gini is an avid, crazy cyclist like me and we were introduced on Twitter by another cyclist, John Falchetto. Gini is a PR pro, blogging queen, and down-right fun person. She runs one of my favorite blogs Spin Sucks. Check out this quick video for her new book Marketing in the Round, co-authored with Geoff Livingston.
Enjoy Gini's post and create your personal mantra!
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4 Steps to Create Your Personal Mantra
So you want to build your personal brand. Let me ask you a question: Why?
Is it to grow a business? Get a book deal? Get paid to speak? Get noticed for that big job you want? Get your first job out of school?
Whatever it is (and it works for all of these things), know what you're setting out to do before you start.
A Quick Story
A couple of years after I started my business, Chicago-based integrated marketing communication firm Arment Dietrich, I hired my first second in command.
She came from the corporate side, had a few more years experience than me, and knew how to manage people (I'm a great leader, but a terrible manager). She also is extremely intelligent.
I'll never forget, after she'd been there for a few months, she said, "Why aren't we branding this firm?"
My response, at the time, was, "Clients want us to do good work for them. I can't imagine they'd appreciate our working on building a huge image for us instead of them." She just shook her head and said, "Clients pay attention to these things. They want to work with the firms that get a lot of attention."
It took me a long time (two years, in fact) to understand what she was saying and to take her counsel to heart. It also took a terrible economy and some time on my hands to implement her advice. What I discovered along the way is she was right.
"People want to work with people they perceive as successful and at the top of their careers." Tweet This!
Your Personal Mantra
Just like we do when we're researching a company, product, or service, people will Google you before they meet you in person. In fact, they'll look at how you interact online and off before you're invited in for a job interview or a new business pitch.
Why leave that reputation to chance?
The very first thing you want to do is create your personal mantra. This will be used in your Twitter profile, your blog bio, your Pinterest description, your LinkedIn bio, your Google+ description…it'll be used everywhere you need a two or three sentence bio.
In order to figure out your personal mantra, you want to follow these 4 steps:
Step 1. Determine your emotional appeal
- Do you want to build a reputation for being funny and quirky like Erika Napoletano?
- Do you want to be known for your solid, metrics-driven insight like Jay Baer?
- Or perhaps you want to provide insights into real-time technology changes, Big Data, and advertising and marketing advances like Mitch Joel.
Whatever it is, know why people like you in order to determine your emotional appeal
Step 2. Create your description
Think about the industry you're in or what tangible skills you have in order to create your description. Ask yourself:
- What field or industry am I in (or want to be in)?
- What are the words I use to talk about my work (one word descriptive adjectives)?
- Who is my target audience?
Answers to these will help you figure out your description.
Step 3. Think about your function
Write down exactly what you do (or want to do). It might be something directly related to your career at this very second (graphics, writer, sales, financial planning, culinary arts) or it could be something more broad (creator, organizer, connector). Whatever it is, the following questions will help you determine your function:
- What service do I have to offer people?
- What do I do that is different from anyone else?
- What do I do that makes me stand out from the crowd?
Step 4. Put it all together
Now comes the hard part. How can you combine what you've written into two or three sentences? Once you're able to do that, you have your personal mantra.
- In some cases it will be phrases like Geoff Livingston's Twitter bio as an example.
- In others, it will be three complete sentences like Danny Brown's bio as an example.
No matter how you write it, your personal mantra will be used consistently across the web as you begin to build your brand. This is how people will begin to perceive you so take control and make it happen!


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LEWISTOWN - The International Olympic Committee's decision to make wrestling compete for a spot at the table beginning in 2020 caught the sport and its supporters by surprise.
Among those were local wrestling coaches and one nearby Division I wrestler - the kind of people who see the Olympics as the pinnacle of the sport, which has no true professional component.
"I was shocked how the Olympic Committee could make the decision to remove one of the oldest Olympic sports from the 2020 Games. Wrestling is one of the original sports in the ancient Olympic Games in Greece. Wrestling was also included in the first modern Olympic Games in 1896," Juniata coach and former Lewistown wrestler Mike Robinson said. "For any youth involved in wrestling their ultimate dream is to compete for their country in the Olympics, and now their dreams may be taken away."
Kirby Martin, Mifflin County's coach, was equally stunned.
"I think everyone in the wrestling community was completely blindsided by this decision. How can the Olympic committee eliminate one of the original Olympics sports and one of the oldest sports? I am shocked!," he said. "This will hurt the international and post college wrestling in the United States. Getting an Olympic medal is the highest honor for a wrestler - now its gone. I will be curious to see how the rebuttal to this decision plays out."
The reaction so far has been perhaps more vocal than the IOC anticipated. Much of it has been driven by the United States, which has had a formidable presence in freestyle wrestling, with numerous medals - several gold - won by American wrestlers over the past 30 years. The U.S. has had a lesser presence in Greco-Roman wrestling, but picked up one gold in that form of the sport from Rulon Gardner.
USA Wrestling has established a website to promote the continuation of Olympic wrestling - keepwrestlingintheolympics.com - and Penn State coach Cael Sanderson, one of the gold medalists, counts himself a supporter of the organization's effort.
Juniata graduate Zach Beitz, a state champ a year ago who is on Sanderson's team now, said the reaction in the locker room was swift and negative toward the IOC decision.
"There is a lot of shock going through the team because we have a number of high caliber kids who have hopes and would have a shot at making the team," Beitz said. "Some of these guys are looking forward to wrestling in the Olympics and they all agree with coach Cael and what he has to say about the situation. We all feel that it is difficult to think that a sport with that kind of history would no longer be a part of the games."
Ken Chertow has been around Olympians and the Olympics as a wrestler and a coach, and has made wrestling his career. A successful wrestling camp owner, Chertow is quick to point out the benefits of the sport - and his belief that the recommendation will eventually turn back to a decision to keep wrestling.
"I know many of my local students and campers across the nation aspire to be Olympians and it motivates them to stay focused on their short term goals both on and off the mats. Wrestling develops not only a strong body but also a strong mind," he said. "There is no way our wrestling community will accept this recommendation by the IOC executive board. This is a battle we can win and I expect wrestling will remain an Olympic Sport in 2020 and forever.
"Wrestlers are known for their intense and relentless work ethic. As a wrestling community we will work tirelessly letting the IOC and world know why wrestling is so special."
Robinson, who has continued wrestling into adulthood, agrees that wrestlers will unite in opposition to the IOC's decree - with good reason.
"As I look back at some of the former wrestlers that I have had the honor to coach, I still see that same great work ethic that they had when they were on the mat and that was instilled in them by the sport of wrestling," he said. "And at one time all of those young athletes dreamed about wrestling in the Olympics."


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Goals from two players helped coach Joe Ratasiewicz record his 100th career win as Unionville blanked host Great Valley, 2-0, on Monday in a Chest-Mont League girls' soccer game.
In his eight years as head coach, Ratasiewicz has a 100-48-9 record.
Caroline Miller scored for the Indians and assisted on Hannah Grandell's goal. Adrianna Weber posted the shutout with six saves.
In other Ches-Mont action, West Chester Henderson scored once in each half to knock off Kennett, 2-0. Junior forward Mary Martin finished a nice pass from Sara Laudermilch in the first half. Morgan Gallagher sealed the win with her second-half goal.


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Glen Ridge TREP$ Marketplace set for Feb. 26
This year's TREP$ Marketplace will be held on Wednesday, Feb. 26 at 6:30 p.m. at Ridgewood Avenue School.
TREP$ is open to all Glen Ridge students in grades four, five and six. It provides the children an opportunity to put their business plan into action and sell their wares.


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Through out this past week and even before they went on their Bye Week, Eagles players talked about how fresh they felt this late in the season.
Now it's time to prove it.
The Eagles unofficial start of the second half of the season starts on Sunday as they have five games left between now and a hopeful playoff spot. The competition increases as the schedule grows older, with four of the next five opponents either leading their division or within a game of a playoff spot.
Their first test comes in the form of the Arizona Cardinals, who might be one of the only teams in the league hotter than the Eagles. The Cardinals have won their last four games, and are now in possession of the second Wild Card spot.
Make sure to check in Sunday at 1 p.m. when the two teams kick-off, as I will be leaving my thoughts throughout the game down in the comment section.
Eagles 24, Cardinals 21, 4:45 third quarter: The Eagles are struggling in the second half for the second straight week, as Palmer leads the Cardinals down the field to make it a three point game.
Eagles 24, Cardinals 14, 5:14 Third Quarter: Carson Palmer and the Cardinals won't go away, as Palmer found Michael Floyd from 23 yards out. Looked like a defensive breakdown.
Eagles 24, Cardinals 7, 10:10 Third Quarter: The Eagles continue to target the tight ends, as Foles hit Ertz from 24 yards out.
Eagles 17, Cardinals 7, 0:15 Second Quarter: Nick Foles found Brent Celek from one yard out for the touchdown. The play was set up by a pass interference call on the Cardinals in the endzone
Eagles 10, Cardinals 7, 4:01 Second Quarter: Riley Cooper got the Eagles close with an amazing one handed catch, but the offense stalled and couldn't get it in the endzone.
Eagles 7, Cardinals 7, 7:50 Second Quarter: Larry Fitzgerald has always killed the Eagles, and he did it again with a 42 yard touchdown reception.
Eagles 7, Cardinals 0, 12:30 First Quarter: After Trent Cole forced a fumble, Nick Foles hit Zach Ertz from six yards out.
Check out who is in and who is out for the Eagles-Cardinals game here.
Here are all the stories you might have missed from this past week:
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Luxury hotels have been popping up all over the map this year, and with an abundance of over-the-top amenities, exclusive suites, and ultra-luxurious spas, it's hard to tell which resorts are truly the crème de la crème. Luxury Travel Advisor is here to set the record straight with our list of the Top Luxury Hotel Openings for 2012.
Eastern Mangroves Hotel by Anantara, Abu Dhabi - This resort offers both the the beauty of the mangroves and the excitement of the city. Guests can relax on the rooftop lounge overlooking the city skyline or embark on a kayaking adventure form the onsite marina. The entire resort is outfitted with earth tones and the finest décor - think 18-carat gold accents.
Selman, Marrakech - The star of this resort is most definitely the Riad, five of them to be exact. Think over-the-top luxury - each with a private garden, heated pool, and 24-hour butler service. The hotel simply invokes relaxation, with soothing tones throughout and a 12,000-square-foot spa with seven treatment rooms and four Hydrotherapy rooms. Other amenities include an indoor pool, massage jet pool, Hammam, sauna, fitness facilities, Relaxation Room, Spa Suite with private Turkish bath, two outdoor heated pools and an outdoor Jacuzzi.
Jumeirah Port Soller Hotel & Spa - Jumeirah's first European resort does not disappoint. Set atop a rugged cliff overlooking the Mediterranean Sea, this resort is complete with two restaurants, four bars, two pools, and the Talise Spa. The spa is extra-special, with ten treatment suites and a thermal area equipped with a Hammam, an ice room, a glass-panelled sauna overlooking the valley, a relaxation room with fireplace and an outdoor heated Hydropool.
Palazzo Margherita, Southern Italy - Three words: Francis Ford Coppola. With interior gardens and painted frescos, the director's new Italian resort is simply delightful. Think the laid-back lifestyle, with a private pool and the option to dine wherever you choose. In the evenings, guests can head to the salon for private screenings from Coppola's collection of classic Italian films and documentaries.
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Prior to 1990, Palm Beach County Sheriff's Department helicopters were used for air transport of critically ill and injured patients to area hospitals. With Palm Beach County's population rapidly growing, it was evident that a formal countywide Trauma System was necessary. In November 1990, the Trauma Hawk Aero-Medical Transport Program was established. The mission of the Trauma Hawk Aero-Medical Program is to save lives and reduce injury mortality through rapid transport of patients to specialized health care facilities such as; trauma, burn, spinal cord and pediatric hospitals. Today, Palm Beach County Fire Rescue, through a unique partnership with the Health Care District, operates two air ambulances in Palm Beach County. The Sikorsky S76-C+ Trauma Hawk air ambulances are identically equipped helicopters that can carry two patients each and up to four medical attendants if needed. The aircraft are available to respond and provide services to all municipalities throughout Palm Beach County.
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The two Trauma Centers are designated to service a specific geographic area of Palm Beach County. St. Mary's Medical Center provides coverage for traumatic injuries occurring in the northern part of Palm Beach County, north of Southern Boulevard. Delray Medical Center provides coverage for traumatic injuries occurring in the southern part of the Palm Beach County, south of Southern Boulevard.
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Coast Guard Erie crews receive new boat
U.S. Coast Guard Station Erie crew members received delivery on Thursday of a new 45-foot response boat.
The $2.4 million Response Boat-Medium will be used primarily for search and rescue missions and law enforcement duties, according to Chief Petty Officer Steve Pickard, Coast Guard Station Erie's officer in charge.
"We're pretty excited,'' Pickard said. "We knew we were getting it since about September, and we've been anticipating it coming in. It's a brand new boat with a lot of capabilities. Our crews will get a lot of use on it and do a lot of good things.''
The Response Boat-Medium is the 157th boat in a fleet of 170 being delivered to Coast Guard stations nationwide.
These boats will replace an aging fleet of 47-foot motor lifeboats and assorted nonstandard boats being used nationally at Coast Guard stations.
Motor lifeboats have been a Coast Guard workhorse for more than 20 years, but the new Response Boat-Medium brings increased capabilities.
Pickard said the new boat is more maneuverable, has a top speed of 49 mph and will get the boat's crew to a scene faster. Motor lifeboats have a top speed of about 25 to 30 mph, he said.
"It will just improve crew endurance so much more,'' Pickard said. "They can get out in some rougher water and focus better on their tasks, whether it's rescue or law enforcement.''
The boat's new design includes a full cabin to protect the crew from the elements, provides heating and air conditioning, and features shock-mitigating seats.
Its propulsion system also complies with Environmental Protection Agency and International Maritime Organization emissions standards.
Other features include an advanced navigation system and a communication system that will interact with federal, state and local agencies.
The crew will soon begin certification training on the new boat, Pickard said.
Pickard said Coast Guard Station Erie is scheduled to receive another Response Boat-Medium in late July.
RON LEONARDI can be reached at 870-1680 or by e-mail.


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EU, Norway Harmonize Control Measures for Sustainable Fisheries
29 August 2012: The EU and Norway have agreed to work together to harmonize technical and control measures for their fisheries in order to ensure fish stock sustainability, according to a European Commission (EC) press release. The rules ban discarding fish, requiring all catches in certain species to be landed.
However, fish that do not meet size requirements may not be used for human consumption, except for charitable purposes.
The rules will take effect in 2013 for cod, haddock, herring and mackerel, and in 2015 for sandeel and Norway pout. The rules became necessary with the termination of a 1966 agreement allowing vessels to fish under flag-state jurisdiction. Coastal-state jurisdiction will now apply to vessels, which makes harmonization more desirable, the EC notes. [EC Press Release]


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BOILING SPRINGS - Murder Mystery Weekends are a special treat for those who like to guess "who-dun-it."
But at Allenberry Resort Inn and Playhouse, when the guests "resort" to murder, the question is not so much who-dun-it, but how much fun the "weekend detectives" can have in solving some delightfully gruesome murders.
Allenberry doesn't shut its doors once the spring-fall professional theater season concludes, but offers memorable weekends (late November through late April) of warm-hearted hospitality and cold-blooded murderous mayhem.
Following Thanksgiving weekend (Nov. 25 through 27), and New Year's weekend (Dec. 30 through Jan. 1), the murderers hide out in January, resuming the hilarious homicides each weekend from Feb. 17 through April 29.
What sets Allenberry weekends apart from others is the exceptional service, scrumptious food and festive cocktail parties in rustic surroundings.
There are two cocktail parties with elaborate hors d'oeuvres (roast suckling pig, Cajun shrimp, Oysters Rockefeller, fried calamari and caviar pie) preceeding the delicious dinner entrees and capped off with mouth-watering desserts. I could almost kill (figuratively speaking) for the banana foster crepes with hot fudge sauce.
At each meal, the actors - in character - dine with the guests and answer what inquiring minds want to know, which often makes the diabolical plot thicken more than the piping hot soups.
It's "Viva Las Allenberry," as this year's theme is "All Bets Are Off: A Casino Comes to Allenberry and Makes a Killing!"
Allenberry Resort welcomes a casino onto its property, bringing with it bright lights and blackjack tables, showgirls and slick talkers, wedding chapels and wheelers and dealers.
The ritzy and glitzy entertainment at the Saturday night dance party ranges from crooners and comedians to clowns.
But when Vegas sinners descend upon the resort, all bets are off. Someone's out to make a killing, for real.
Who's behind this onslaught of murders? Could it be the Elvis impersonator who's all shook up? Or the showgirl hiding a murder weapon somewhere in her skimpy costume? Perhaps one gambler leaves too much on the table and would rather kill 'em than fold 'em. Maybe it's the unhappy local protestors who believe gambling is a bigger sin than murder.
Guests who analyze the clues and solve the mystery win prizes at a champagne brunch on Sunday morning when the murderer's identity is revealed.
Part of the fun is that the mystery "moves" as the meals, music and murders are presented in different banquet halls on sites on Allenberry's spacious grounds.
Having been to seven mystery weekends, I agree with Allenberry's marketing, which claims that it's almost like being on a weekend cruise (there's even a mid-afternoon serving of tea and pastry).
The only break from corpses cropping up or falling down unexpectedly comes on Saturday afternoon when guests can choose a walking tour of historic Boiling Springs, a visit to village artists' galleries, antiquing demonstrations in Carlisle, a horse-drawn carriage ride around Allenberry's grounds or simply curling up in their room or in front of one of the lodge's fireplaces.
For a weekend of shameful secrets, questionable motives and red herrings - not the ones that are on the hors d'oeuvre menu - it's almost a crime to miss out on what you get: two night's lodging in one of the modern or rustic cottages, gourmet feasts, sweet treats including Allenberry's famous sticky buns, wines, soft drinks, taxes, gratuities and, of course, murder, mystery and mayhem.
For prices, reservations, weekend availability and more information, call 717-258-3211 or 800-430-5468 or email email@example.com.


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I really don't think that, of all the bands out there, Tankard could ever do anything I don't appreciate in some way or another. Let's face it, if ever there was a "Chris Akin" band, Tankard would be it. They make the kind of metal that is closest to my heart - Thrash with just a touch of melody to make it completely compelling. And all of their releases are themed around drinking, beer, drinking and drinking. If this band was renamed "The Chris Akin Experience" is about the only way I could like them anymore. For the last several years, Tankard has been cranking out some of the best music of their career at a furious pace. In fact, they have had a new release out every 2 years since 1998! That's golden if you are a fan of any band. Tankard simply gives you enough time to digest the last one before coming forth with a new dose of drunken debauchery.
With R.I.B. (Rest In Beer for those uninitiated), Tankard takes their game up a bit from their last, someone average release, A GIRL CALLED CERVEZA. With R.I.B., the songs are a bit more ferocious. While they are never going to be accused of raising the intellectual bar (lyrics like "liver, you will have to pay" on "Breakfast For Champions" pretty much solidifies that), there's no denying that the music is every bit as strong as most of the thrash being created by the old guard today. The previously mentioned "Breakfast For Champions" is a monstrous thrasher that stands as one of the best songs of the band's entire career. Vocalist Andreas "Gerre" Geremia has been around since the inception of the band, and has lost none of his aggression in over 30 years fronting this band. Listening to songs like "War Cry", you realize that Geremia still has the fire for this style of music.
Geremia is just part of the answer to the question of "what makes R.I.B. so good". More than any other release in this band's long history, the guitars demand attention and respect. Guitarist Andreas Gutjahr is an absolute beast on this release. Songs like "R.I.B. (Rest In Beer)" start with a huge, doomy guitar intro before launching into a full-on thrash riff that would make bands like Death Angel blush. He works so well with the rhythm section of bassist Frank Thorwarth and drummer Olaf Zissel that you can't help but be sucked into the incredible power of songs like "Enemy Of Order" or "No One Hit Wonder".
PITRIFF RATING - 97/100 - It's simple. Tankard, and R.I.B. rule. There's not a lot more than that that needs to be said. If you like thrash metal, it's hard to even imagine you wouldn't love this release. Tankard has cranked out another gem, and you can bet they are getting loaded at the bar celebrating that fact.


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A construction worker was hurt on the job Wednesday night in the El Dorado Hills area, the California Highway Patrol said.
A CHP officer who spoke with KCRA 3 said he wasn't sure on the nature or severity of the person's injury, but the victim was hurt in relation to the project on which he or she was working -- the employee wasn't hit by a vehicle, police said.
The scene, in a construction zone near El Dorado Hills Boulevard and Saratoga Way, had cleared by 11:30 p.m. or so.
The construction worker is being treated at a hospital.
The El Dorado Hills Fire Department assisted in the investigation.


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