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Apple security team members might have searched home for missing iPhone 5 prototype, not police
0. phoneArena 03 Sep 2011, 14:42 posted on
SFWeekly went further with its investigation, and it turns out that two members of Apple's security team (possibly the same one that deals with counterfeits) were the actual people on the ground that searched the house...
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1. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
so apple employees are impersonating police now huh? add that to the growing list of human rights violations that apple commits.
2. blade19 (Posts: 61; Member since: 29 Apr 2011)
I know this has been beaten like a dead horse, but didn't you know but they patented the police badge too!... :) ....lol
78. cheetah2k (Posts: 1579; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)
So Apple are now above the law?
WTF is happening to the world.....
14. stealthd (unregistered)
That's not a violation of human rights.
16. biophone (Posts: 1956; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Hes talking about the factories apple products come from which dont have a very safe working enviorment. But remixfa is a fanboy because he knows that every company gets there products from chinese factories like foxconn. He singles out apple and turns a blind eye towards everyone else because he is a android/tmobile fanboy. Its a problem for everyone and he knows that. He also read this article in different places i know he did and he knows the police were involved.
20. stealthd (unregistered)
Foxconn isn't especially dangerous though, the bigger problem is how many hours they have to put in for what little pay they get (and I've seen the suicide rate mentioned before, Foxconn's is actually below China and the US's national average).
22. biophone (Posts: 1956; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
I meant wintex.
46. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
alright bio, do me a favor and find another major tech company that has the mass suicide rate, the exploding factories that werent built to codes, police impersonation, house tossing (the original missing i4), uber bullying nature that apple has.
its not because im a fanboy, its because they stand ALONE in the gutter. And only fanboys excuse apple's wrong doing. non fanboy apple users are already turning away from apple saying they wont buy their next device from them because of all this crap.
stealth, there were 17 suicides by jumping in 2 years, then foxcon built a factory in under 2 months and forgot to install ventillation which ended up causing an explosion killing and injuring even more. who is WORSE than that to say that foxcon isnt especially dangerous?
And as meticulous as apple is about their products and controlling everything, they know EXACTLY whats going on. The new guy in charge, Cook, was in charge of hiring foxcon in the first place!
so instead of calling me a fanboy while you blindly defend apples death rates, find me proof that everyone else is just as bad or worse... or shut it.
51. stealthd (unregistered)
17 people is not a mass anything. The average suicide rate in China is 21 people per 100,000. Foxconn employs 800,000 people in China, and 400,000 in their Shenzhen facility. Out of that 400k, there should have been 84 people successfully killing themselves, instead there were just 17. To put it in the most obnoxious terms possible: that's 75 people SAVED BY APPLE PER YEAR. (In case you're bad at math, that's 84 people minus 17 divided by 2, I gave you the benefit of rounding down).
And you act as though Foxconn is the only company to have employees killed in an accident. Let's see here, Philips Disaster, 1989, 23 killed, 314 injured by an explosion in Pasadena, TX. Kader Toy Factory fire in Thailand, 1993, 188 (mostly young) men killed. 2005, Texas City Refinery explosion, 15 killed, over 100 injured. 2008, Georgia sugar refinery explosion, 13 people dead and 42 people injured. Now let's look at Foxconn's explosion, which was a total of...wait for it...3 killed and 16 injured. Any loss of life is terrible, but as industrial accidents go, it was not that bad.
Foxconn also happens to make products for Acer, Asus, Sony Ericsson, Nokia, Dell, HP, Microsoft, among many others. Yet you solely blame Apple.
Were you saying something about being a blind fanboy? I defend Apple when people like you utter stupid, nonsensical crap like this. You attack Apple at every opportunity you get no matter how dumb what you're saying is. Congratulations on being even more of a blind fanboy than the ifans you loathe so much.
55. thirdeye (unregistered)
You may be good at math, but you really suck at logic. These are suicides AT the plant itself. Microsoft employs nearly 100k yet people don't jump off of their buildings or shoot themselves to death there, does that mean Microsoft saves 17 lives each year?
When the foxconn worker goes home for the day to overdose on meds to death, or jump off their local bridge, are you going to hear about those? In fact we wouldn't even have heard about the deaths at the plant itself if it weren't for the drastic measures the company was taking like putting in nets around the building. That doesn't exactly address the reason why the workers are killing themselves in the first place.
While I agree Apple isn't the only bad guy here, there's a huge difference between contracting a manufacturer where a freak accident occurs, even if it's due to human negligence versus knowingly and continually employing a company that has very clear and very serious human rights abuse. You hear the same s**t from Apple every year, "We are taking this seriously" and yet the following year even more workers kill themselves.
Face it, no one should be defending any of these big companies, be it Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc etc. Wake up and stop being such a tool.
56. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
I think his logic was fine. He was exaggerating the lives saved part. But you do have a point yourself about committing suicide elsewhere.
But he did provide a lot of perspective because all you hear are the bad things Apple does. I had no idea that Foxconn even made products for other companies (even though I'm sure not they don't order the same amount).
And he also does have a strong point with the explosions too. No one should be defending any of the big companies but a lot of people like remixfa sure do a lot of finger pointing.
58. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 1131; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)
The problem isn't prevalent in other manufacturing supply factories, only Apples. Not to mention the alleged sickness caused by Apples manufacturing process at only Apple manufacturing plants. Lots of companies are prostituting China, and other nations for lower wages and higher profits, but it seems that Apples products demand has caused it to abandon prudent watch over humanitarian issues during the manufacturing of their products. It has been printed that they have tried to contact Steve Jobs, and Apple about the issues that workers face to no avail.....Karma is a bitch Steve!
73. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
of all those factory explosions.. how many of those factories were built in less than 90 days? oh yea, just one.. foxconn.
How many of those companies have people regularly jumping off their roof's to a point that they install anti-jumper nets? oh yea, just foxcon. Your suicide rate only deals with a country average. Just because they dont kill themselves at work doesnt mean they arent doing it elsewhere, so instead of subtracting 17 from the national average you have to ADD it to the national average.
Yes EN, foxcon is huge. they make products for seemlingly everyone. Why is it that all the problems happen at the apple factories? Where are the stories of the mass suicides from the Asus factories? Its not just a foxconn thing, its a foxconn-apple thing.
Yea I'm finger pointing. Im pointing it right at the people that are the cause of it. Apple-foxconn. I would be pointing just as hard at google if it had the types of human rights violations that apple does. Its not a fanboy thing, its a "take a stand against it" thing. I dont give a crap which company it was, i would be pointing fingers and refusing to buy their products.
The only ones that seem clouded are the iBots defending apple's atrocities and continuing to buy their products which only shows apple that they dont need to change, because iDiots dont care. Hit them in the wallet, and they will change.
65. biophone (Posts: 1956; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
You are correct man the whole industry is evil. We are just mad remixfa singles out apple and thinks everyone else is angle's
74. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
thanks for continuing to put words in my mouth biophone. Im sorry that you want to ignore apples atrocities. Keep buying iphones and killing Chinese workers. Its not on my head, its on yours. I dont think any company is an "angel", but there sure are a hell of a lot of companies that are less evil and have a better track record than apple.
86. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
hey bio.. its been 24 hrs. Im still waiting on proof that the rest of the cell/computer industry is as evil and commits the atrocities that apple commits.
having a hard time finding proof??
71. stealthd (unregistered)
I guess you missed the part where Foxconn employees live in dormitories in the facilities. Where else are they going to off themselves?
Agains, there are no human rights abuses here. Foxconn employees aren't slaves. They're there by choice, and apparently it's the best choice available to them. As I've already stated, the only major problem is how many hours they have to work for what little pay they get. But that doesn't seem particularly unique to China. It sucks, and it would be nice for it to change, but a lot of people expect Apple to swoop in and fix everything when it isn't their responsibility. It would certainly be nice considering how much money they're sitting on, but they're by no means obliged to. This isn't an Apple problem it's a China problem.
75. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
if you owned a company that had a primary partner that was known for horrid conditions, improperly built factories, and mass deaths and suicides at the plants... it is COMPLETELY YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. They make products FOR YOU. Without YOU they wouldnt have those factories open making your products. YOU need to demand immediate changes or you find someone else willing to supply your parts. And considering foxconn's biggest client by far is Apple, Apple has tons of power over them. If apple cared that is.
62. iKingTrust (banned) (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)
These little kids are silly dont let these 12 year olds work you up
64. biophone (Posts: 1956; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
I was just about to make you look silly but stealth just beat me to it dang.
53. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)
that is a violation and apple should be sued for this !
3. M0nkeyBr (Posts: 77; Member since: 13 Jul 2011)
Should this be illegal
4. AppleSUKs (unregistered)
should ban the iphone for this
5. Geeksarebest (Posts: 34; Member since: 28 Jun 2011)
It'll never happen. Besides, you never know what conversations went on. This guy could be doing it for media attention. No matter how good the research being done by reporters is, no one knows for sure what kinds of conversations took place or what was said. Wouldn't be the first time that someone left out key details to make a story.
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11. GBcacher (unregistered)
Is that what justice wears?
7. skymitch89 (Posts: 1300; Member since: 05 Nov 2010)
I'm just going to wait for Apple the officially announce/launch the next iPhone/iPod Touch. Been wanting the current gen of iPod Touch but couldn't afford it, now that I can I'm just going to wait for the next gen to see what it has to offer over the current gen.
8. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)
If true, then this is surprisingly unprofessional conduct from Apple. The Brand Security team should never lead on any search and seizure procedure and usually hires third parties to follow the police, when/where appropriate, in order to support the gathering of evidence. It's crazy that Apple would allow an employee to be directly involved. Where's the Legal Department, Corporate Affairs and/or Risk Assessment people in Apple's organization? If this story is true, then they have a pretty risky approach to solving this problem and opens Apple up to a myriad of legal challenges.
59. bubbasixx (Posts: 30; Member since: 09 Apr 2008)
Not to mention the fact that first, the Police actually allowed a non-police officer to search a house without ever even filing a report to justify the search, and second there still not being a stolen property report available. This dude, guilty or not, HAS to have an illegal search lawsuit on his hands. I don't care what kind of turtleneck my boss wears, I would never go into a house without a cop present and without a clear warrant. Imagine if he had had the phone. Illegal search AND seizure WITH the cops watching. I don't know how this could have happened this way.
9. OutAndProud iSheep (unregistered)
I don't see anything wrong with $teve's Security. Isn't getting the prototype back and protecting Apple secrets more important than any law? At least that is what Mossberg and Pogue told me.
12. GBcacher (unregistered)
yeah! Apple is the law, like Judge Dredd.
10. biophone (Posts: 1956; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
This story was updated by macrumors. The police were involved check it out. Update this pa please!http://www.macrumors.com/2011/
13. biophone (Posts: 1956; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Thanks pa. The update was perfect.
15. stealthd (unregistered)
First they say there's no investigation. Then they say there was an investigation. Until some actual evidence shows up or some charges are filed for theft or impersonating an officer, I'm calling this a hoax.
17. ltr (unregistered)
ITs all about the attention.
There is barely any info on the phone itself.
18. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
This is hilarious. Apple trying to be their own police now? Granted, I like how they made the offer of financial reward just for returning the phone, but come on, this is out of hand behavior.
19. biophone (Posts: 1956; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Read the update!
21. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
I read the update. It was still Apple security inside that house.
23. stealthd (unregistered)
Searching with permission.
24. biophone (Posts: 1956; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
It was discovered that Apple employees called Mission Police station directly, wanting assistance in tracking down a lost item. Apple had tracked the lost item to a house located in the 500 block of Anderson Street. Because the address was in the Ingleside Police district Apple employees were referred to Officers in the Ingleside district. Four SFPD Officers accompanied Apple employees to the Anderson street home. The two Apple employees met with the resident and then went into the house to look for the lost item
They went with the police and talked to the resident about looking for a stolen item. Its not like they went to his house prentending to be police with a warrent and said let me in your house.
50. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Again, you're missing the point here: it was STILL. APPLE EMPLOYEES. SEARCHING THE HOUSE. Those are actions normally reserved for police.
Now granted, I'm not really against working toward finding stolen property while minimizing the involvement of the state. In fact, hey, I'm not really against Apple here. I just think it's funny is all. Come on, admit it, it's hard to visualize Apple hero cops and secret agents doing action movie s**t without grinning. :)
60. biophone (Posts: 1956; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
I admit it is pretty funny.
69. roscuthiii (Posts: 2217; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
The exact problem is that the search was conducted by someone other than law enforcement. Even with consent, having the police outside means there was no one officially there. Not even an official report filed. Apple investigators could simply have pulled a phone from their pocket and come out the the police and said, "Yep! We got it! It was in there. We're pressing charges."
Or- They even could have found it in there (their tracking service did lead them there) and paid him off to keep his mouth shut.
All because there was no one in any official capacity conducting the search.
They questioned his legal status? What bearing does that even have on this incident? If anything it sounds like he consented to the search under duress. And consent under duress is inadmissable. Just ask a rape victim who was told to keep quiet whether or not that was "consent".
27. cncrim (Posts: 826; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)
I agree ...... Apple is not that crazy to personating as police, this kind of behavior will be put them in a bigger mess than patent infrigent if they do.
25. HiPhone (unregistered)
Yes the Police were there, but did the Apple Security team id themselves
as not being police? I doubt it is Apple policy, but I bet the former cop just
took it too far.
With Apples recent history, do they deserve the benefit of the doubt??
28. biophone (Posts: 1956; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
If you dont want to give apple the benifit of the doubt then how about the police report?
39. pongkie (Posts: 539; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)
apple this is low...
next time you people buy apple products you get an anal probe
40. biophone (Posts: 1956; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
You can keep dreaming you nasty *******
41. pongkie (Posts: 539; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)
really i bet you'll volunteer
42. biophone (Posts: 1956; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Dont judge me ok!
43. pongkie (Posts: 539; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)
then shut it! don't judge me either
If apple really really really really value that phone they should have tighter control over it. And happening for the second time is purely negligence on their part and let not others take fault on this. They should stop this non sense and count their losses
44. biophone (Posts: 1956; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
This hole thing sounds fishy. We dont know whats really going on. Back to the anal probing. Haha i always wanted to say that :).
45. pongkie (Posts: 539; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)
well they are building a space ship campus all the pieces are starting to fit together :D
49. Steve Dojobs (unregistered)
I think (as my opinion) is a all Apple propaganda try to make the Iphone 5 a best seller as what happened to Iphone 4 previously.
57. myclevername (Posts: 94; Member since: 07 Jun 2010)
The guy should have asked for a search warrant and since they didn't have one he should have said "come back when you do". The idiot let them in. Water under the bridge now. And they still didn't find the phone.
66. Officer Bob (unregistered)
Totally out of my ars but IMHO (based off past dealings with crony militant organizations like USN and police dept's) - It was hushed because a member of the Apple Security team had a buddy he leveraged to scare someone into allowing the search..
I imagine if you examine the law, it's not illegal if the home owner provides permission.
So, 4 people flash a badge (two are Apple security badges), and only two people identify themselves as SF PD. Certainly would lead anyone to believe they were all SF PD. No witnesses for the defense except the one guy who's word against 2 upstanding officers and 2 upstanding clean cut corporate guys...of course they will all say the home owner gave us explicit permission to search.
70. roscuthiii (Posts: 2217; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
67. rick (unregistered)
HEY STEVE JOBS and all of APPLE!
HOPE THE CANCER EATS YOUR HEART OUT AND YOU SUFFER. YOUR A PIECE OF s**t AND THIS GOES TO SHOW WHAT YOUR COMPANY IS CAPABLE OF. Its A phone, You have no right to enter someones home and play policeman. You are not ABOVE the LAW, ROT IN HELL!
80. hepresearch (unregistered)
wow... that's just classy. Yeah, hate on the guy with cancer! I don't like what Apple does, but I'm not going to let that boil over into spewing hate or wishing some cancer-ridden dude would die.
Even if I had an enemy, I wouldn't wish death by cancer upon them.
68. luke9966 (unregistered)
Why would you want to buy irresponsible products and the sames scenerior like last iphone launch. It's sound like a brand of a propraganda of promote their brands and by other human manuer again.

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In 1964, my third-grade teacher relied mainly on an air of motherly authority to maintain control over her classroom of more than 50 8-year-olds. But when pushed, she warned darkly of deploying her spanking machine.
Two years earlier, my first grade teacher showed less restraint. I vividly recall the public, front-of-the-room, over-the-knee spanking of one girl, whose skirt our teacher had first pulled up to expose her underwear. Her infraction is lost to memory, but the fear and shame I felt—for myself, for her, for the teacher—is burned in my mind.
That was nearly 50 years ago. Along with lots of other Americans, I believed that this kind of brutish discipline was a relic of the past.
But it's not. As recently as the 2006-2007 school year, at least 223,000 students were paddled—legally—by their teachers or principals, the very people whose job it is to keep them safe at school.
The numbers for all kinds of physical punishment might in fact be higher—up to 2 million to 3 million. That is according to congressional testimony by Dr. Donald E. Greydanus, a pediatrician and professor of pediatrics and human development at Michigan State University.
In 2010, 20 states allowed corporal punishment, the intentional application of physical pain as a way to change behavior. It will come as little surprise that the top 10 form a band running from Florida west to Texas and Oklahoma. Sadly, five states—Texas, Mississippi, Arkansas, Alabama and Georgia—account for three-quarters of all cases.
Worse, there's a corporal-punishment gap, perhaps related to the achievement gap. As Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) noted in her statement to the congressional committee, young African Americans and students with disabilities are paddled at twice the rate of white students and those in the general student population.
These facts fly in the face of wisdom. As Dr. Greydanus pointed out, studies show that not only is corporal punishment an "ineffective method of discipline," but it also "has major deleterious effects on the physical and mental health of those on whom it is inflicted."
Like its near-relative, bullying, corporal punishment affects three parties. The child who is punished suffers a wide range of effects, which can include depression and school avoidance. The teacher who inflicts the injury becomes desensitized to his student's humanity. And, according to Dr. Greydanus, the "children who witness this type of abuse are robbed of their full learning potential."
Physical punishment is banned in federal prisons and medical facilities. It's long past time to extend the same protection to our children.
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Spankings in school. Needed or not?
I am amazed at the numbers of people not supporting discipline in schools. The fact of spankings in schools surely detered many unruly children from acting out. Once the threat of punishment is removed, what is going to keep them in line. Each time a teacher has to stop teaching to deal with a student that will not follow classroom rules, that is time taken away from those other students. With performance testing now a requirement to progress, time stolen by non-rule following students robs the rest.
Even in high school, PE mostly, I can remember our Coach asking for your sneaker, and whooping you on the hind end, for spouting out cuss words. And believe me, it was effective. In inter-mural sports, being un-sportsman would result in punishment also. Running the bleachers was a favorite of one Coach. But one time, he actually pulled the team off the field, forfeited the game, due to our behaviors. Do not think that lesson was forgotten in a hurry.
Punishment should fit the "crime" and the age of the child. Time outs only work so long, before they become a chance to plot even more chaos. Or if un-effective, then what steps? How to deal with older students that refuse to respect the teacher and their need to instruct the rest of the class. At a certain age, spanking becomes almost worthless. Other than PE, I do not remember any "board of education" being used after grade schools.
Before applying such, a good look into what happened and why is needed. Sometimes it is just the teacher and student cannot get along. If some other teacher has an open seat, it might be best to put the student in that class. Not everyone gets along with their "assigned teacher", and sometimes change is necessary.
This is a topic I hadn't
This is a topic I hadn't thought about in 40 years. In the early seventies spanking was a popular punishment at home for many of us so it seemed very natural to be spanked by our teachers as well. Some teachers rarely paddled, others not at all, and some routinely for every infraction of a rule. It was my second grade teacher who was in the latter category. She laid down the law and we were well aware of how to not get in trouble. The spankings she gave were always as a consequence for a child's decision to step out of line. She was strict but fair. She called the offenders to the front of the class and swatted them with her hand a few times. The child walked back to his seat with no outward appearance of trauma pain or humiliation. I don't remember feeling embarrassment for the spanked student. In the same way out mothers spanked siblings in front of each other, teachers did the same. Every adult on staff was a snitch so many spankings were given for misbehaviors out at recess., in hallways., even walking home. The teacher had spies everywhere. Although I'm not an advocate of school spankings now, I was then although ironically I was subject to them during that time. One major rule was we were not allowed to tease or even speak of a spanking that took place during the day among ourselves and definitely not within earshot of the pupil who was punished. We were allowed to tell our parents if we chose, But to embarrass or humiliate other students was prohibited. I was at a classmate's house one day and she and I were having a discussion about a girl who was spanked that day. We laughed at her for back-talking the teacher after the paddling! Of course it earned her another one. My classmates mother chastised us for gossiping and used the example of how would we feel if we were In her shoes. My friend responded with ,it's not like we're talking about her in front of her but it's a good thing the teacher wasn't listening. My classmate told her mother that would not happen because we never got in trouble. This very wise mother pointed out that not only were being unkind, we were also disobeying our teacher. The following day a school both of us were called up to the teachers desk. She whispered to both of us that we were going to be punished for gossiping and for disobeying her. She told us if anyone ask the specifics of what we said not to tell them. She gave us our spankings and then looked at the class and ordered them not to ask us any questions or they would be next. I'm still very impressed with the way my friends mom handled that situation to teach us a lesson
As soon as I read the title
As soon as I read the title of the article I was in shock. I cannot believe that it is still legal in states to use physical force on a child at school. It is completely inappropriate and should be done away with. A child should feel safe at school. They should not be afraid of their teachers, or afraid to step out of line one bit, due to the fear of being paddled. I could not imagine being in a school where the teachers were allowed to put their hands on the students. It makes me sick.
I remember when I was in
I remember when I was in grade school I witnessed several students get paddled one time. I was at this one school and several students were acting up in our classroom about 8 to 10 of them and the teacher lined them all up and made them bend over a chair and gave them three hard licks on the butt. None of those students ever acted up again because of the embarrassment they suffered in the classroom being paddled in front of 17 other kids in the class.......So yes corporal punishment do work
Is using the paddle in the
Is using the paddle in the school setting teaching children that violence is okay? I think paddling students is not okay no matter how out of control they may be. It is sad to me that the effects of paddling may result in school avoidance. I just hate to think that we may be encouraging so many negative things just by trying to "enforce some discipline."
It really disturbs me to
It really disturbs me to think that a person could "calmly" inflict pain on another human being. If you can do that, there is something wrong with you! It's time this barbaric practice ceased!
Then you, madame, have never
Then you, madame, have never seen a nurse inoculate a child. Certainly, the needle inflicts pain and the use of that needle is deliberate but just as certainly, it is important that the nurse do so calmly in the face of the child's natural fear and reaction to the pain. A disciplining teacher or parent who uses very mild pain (for which a needle prick is an apt analogy) to discipline must do so calmly and especially show no hint of anger lest the child reasonably associate infliction of pain with being angry. With spanking, it is important that the child reasonably associate the pain and shame with his or her wrong actions.
The adult justice system is based upon inflicting punishment, which can involve financial pain and the pain and shame of imprisonment (and, sometimes, execution), with as much calmness and detachment as possible. I tend to regard taking the practice in the other direction, inflicting punishment with as much calmness and detachment as possible, as the nearest thing to treating children with the same respect with which we would treat an adult who had done wrong.
It is a barbaric people that do not punish justly or do not punish at all. Punishing with harmless and temporary pain and shame is the mark of a civilized society that values justice.
There is a huge difference
There is a huge difference between "punishment" and "discipline" -- the former is retribution (which does not teach more appropriate behavior, and in fact, engenders further retribution down the "food chain"), and the latter is a system of rational, sensical responses to targeted behaviors that focuses on natural consequences, making meaningful restitution, and learning and practicing better, more appropriate reactions to situations that have evoked maladaptive responses. The only thing that children learn when they are physically punished is that "might makes right" -- and we see the after-effect of that mentality in our violent crime rates.
There is a better way, and it's already out there. This archaic practice is outdated and ultimately harmful.
I to use to believe in
I to use to believe in corporal punishment, I am so glad I went and took several classes on discipline, It changed my life, and the future of my children and their children. The class for 14 weeks called exploring parenting was just one of them, ( I learned allot about power and control), so sad, if shame and humiliation, are what your after, keep hitting or (discipline your children) Please educate yourself on this topic, not from your past, but learn something new for your children's future. Please it is never all right to call abuse discipline , No matter what age, the reason you don't spank your older children isn't because to don't have to , they will hit back someday, when you don't do what your told. Calling violence discipline is a terrible accuse for saying you want power over your children, 100 percent of parenting is teaching.
As a veteran teacher, I moved
As a veteran teacher, I moved to Florida to teach in an inner city school, and was physically assaulted by my students on several occasions. (They were all larger than I). Parents, and the administrators, did not back me up or protect me. I have left public teaching, and teach part time at the college level. Maybe corporal punishment is not such a bad idea in some cases; sadly, perhaps this is the only way to reach them.
I feel that paddling in
I feel that paddling in school is necessary to maintain order in classrooms. Our children are not learning in classrooms because they are unruly and can get by doing as they please. I live in Georgia. As far as I know, there is no discipline by paddling in schools. I believe that you have misrepresented Georgia. Can you give specifics. I do know that there would be less 'brats' if discipline is allowed, whether the kid is embarrassed or not. Most of them just laugh and proceed on. It would be very wise to redo the schools before the United States fails completely and falls off the map as a third world nation.
Unless a child has a physical problem or very emotional problem, they need to be disciplined in school. The kids in school are very street smart and do know how to disrupt a class and continue to occupy a seat even if they wish not to learn. If the system was not based on money, but the desire to learn, we would be better off. An unruly child that does not wish to be in school to learn, let them enroll in the military or work corps until they realize the values of life. Also, we do not need to train the children to be athletes and maintain these athletes in school just to kick the ball - kick them out. Only a select few get to play sports. Others no longer even get physical activities as a result. Again, a reason for obesity. Rethink sports in school. Rethink discipline. School age children have too much anyway to appreciate what has been passed down to them.
YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING! I'm
YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING! I'm assuming that all of you writing comments in here are intelligent, educated and thoughtful adults. Why, then, would any of you support an idea as archaic and sadistic as physical punishment in schools? The acid test is: how would you feel if it was YOUR kid being hit, spanked and humiliated by school personnel? How would you feel if it were sanctioned for your boss to hit you if he/she was dissatisfied with your attitude, work or on-the-job behavior? Even aside from the fact that physical punishment robs a child of his/her dignity, to support this practice also assumes that the adult doling out the punishment is doing so in a restrained manner. Unfortunately, this is often not the case. Adults who work in schools have their own emotional baggage, just as we all do, and when they feel disrespected and angered, they may easily act out of a place of displaced anger, which could too easily result in an abusive, versus strictly disciplinary, situation. This entire issue needs to be completely rethought in a more rational and humane way. Positive Behavior Supports and behavioral interventions based upon function of the original behavior is what actually teaches better behavior and changes negative behavior. Helping to shape a generation of people who are thoughtful, rational, compassionate and self-disciplined will not come about through the use of a paddle.
I am with you Kathy. I am
I am with you Kathy. I am actually horrified at some of these comments. That educated adults have so few tools in their toolbox for helping young people grow into caring responsible adults is quite amazing. Positive behavioral supports are a far better choice for creating a peaceful world. I am going to let my students read some of these comments. They will generate a lively conversation as our school looks at all systems of oppression and entitlement as we plan for Black History month, Womans History month and White Ribbon Day here in Massachusetts.
This article, from 2010,
This article, from 2010, provides some statistics and information about the use of corporal punishment in Georgia: http://www.gpb.org/news/2010/07/06/28k-students-got-corporal-punishment
I would never abdicate my
I would never abdicate my parental authority to an institution, whether it be school or church. Ignorant people hide behind the biblical tenet of "spare the rod, spoil the child", as grounds for what constitutes child abuse to the thinking public.
I have used spanking for my
I have used spanking for my last resource to disciplining my 2 boys. Never would I give permission to a school official to touch my child for any reason and if I could load the picture of my son his brother took you would see why. The bruising was pretty deep and covered 3/4 of his bum no reason for that. If they never took disciplinary out of the home and took care of what they assumed was abuse we wouldn't have to have the government wasting money on the FINS PROGRAM I'm glad my boys are now out of that program because there behavior record in Iowa from Arkansas 0 problems behavior 0 problems grades ((( musta been the water )))
Why not show children
Why not show children respect, compassion, and how to talk through their problems. I do not believe that spanking or yelling at a child helps them understand the problem. Let's try talking to our students and children in a calm voice, it really works!
I am amazed at the depth of
I am amazed at the depth of ignorance in our society today. You really think it's okay to beat a child? Someone who can't defend themselves? Someone who isn't yet fully developed emotionally, physically or spiritually? Seriously? Beating. Spanking. Paddling. Whatever you want to call it is a COP OUT. It's the lazy way out. It's the bullies way. It's ABUSE. Period.
Why don't parents take the time to teach their child right from wrong EVERY DAY. If you do that, gee, guess what? Your child will behave at home and at school. My daughter, at four is incredible kid. She's smart, funny, kind and can read. She's never been hit. Ever. Instead she is firmly talked to when she does something wrong. And she learns what not to do and what to do.
So, next time you think it's okay to beat the shit out of your child or give permission for the school to do so...take a moment and think about this...imagine how it would feel if you were beaten in public. Now, take that and magnify it a million times. That's what your child would feel. Humilation does not teach a child to behave.
Thank you for posting your
Thank you for posting your thoughts.
I am appalled at how many people are saying that hitting a child is the appropriate way to discipline them. I have 3 adult children who have never been "paddled" by me or anyone else. They were not angels but were not disciplined through violence. In addition, the thought that someone would touch one of them and they weren't pulling them from harm's way makes me feel a little bit crazy.
What adult thinks that it's okay for their manager (or whomever)to hit or humiliate them because their work isn't in on time?
Children aren't second-class citizens! How can any child be expected to respect others, the rules or themselves if they are not valued?
At my school kids were
At my school kids were paddled in grade 1 through 12. About 95% of kids including myself were never paddled. My parents never hit me either except once or twice that I can remember. Only the bad kids were paddled. And normaly only by the principle in the hallway. I think it not only helped the 5% getting paddled realize what they did was wrong, I think it made the rest of us more scared and we behaved better also for hearing them getting smacked. I remember 1 kid who was paddled after he put a piece of tape in my hair and the teacher had to cut it out. I thought he deserved it, and he never bothered me again. Just talking to him would not have done anything. On the other hand I do remember a 68year old music teacher in the 1st grade that would pull kids up by their hair and shake them if they misbehaved or didn't sing. Now that was really scary. Fear motivates kids to be good I guess. In Japan teachers randomly walk up behind students and smack kids in the head just to keep their minds sharp. I've visited schools in a dozen different countries, Turkey has the best behaved kids.
What about the practice of
What about the practice of "restitution"?
If the kid could care less about detention and in-school suspension, and paddling is not an option, an hour after school on Friday helping the custodians mop floors, clean bathrooms, haul trash and pick up litter does wonders.
You "take away" from the school, you "repay" the school.
Restitution makes sense AFTER
Restitution makes sense AFTER due process, where both parties submit themselves to an impartial superior authority who hears both the teacher and their representative, versus the student and their representative, and appeals from there branch out into the regular court system.
Again, treat all people with equivalent consideration. This is not a difficult rule to follow. In fact, this simplifies things greatly.
How would YOU want to be treated if someone in loco parentis decided you offended them, and they wanted to take action against you? Would you want your accuser to also be your prosecutor, judge, and punisher, with no impartial oversight?
The best schools in America
The best schools in America do not paddle kids.
I was watching an episode of
I was watching an episode of "The Principals Office" on tru tv a few weeks ago. I saw a principal in KY pull a paddle out and ask the student in his office what he should do with the paddle.
I was shocked to see this. This paddle stuff is wrong. It is the parents/and or gaurdians responsibility to discipline the child, not a teacher, principal or anyone else.
When I went to school, there was never a mention of a paddle and I was not exactly the best or well behaved student. The worst I ever got was suspended or detention.
I think paddling should be abolished and if its used anyway, that "user" should be prosecuted.
School hypocrisy = violence.
School hypocrisy = violence. We have at least three problems here, revealing the double standards of our thoughtless, self-serving academic universe:
1 - Assault and Battery, Bullying:
Would you treat an adult this way? No. So do not treat anyone this way, especially not a child. If you tried to spank an adult because they exceeded your patience, you'd get arrested and brought to a judge to defend your actions, and probably get jail time. Treat children with the same respect you treat adults, the same respect with which you'd like to be treated. And that leads to point 2:
2 - Separation of Powers, Equal Protection Under Law:
In the United States, we do not let the Police dispense punishment. Instead, the Police subjugate themselves, along with the accused, to the power of an impartial judge or jury. In challenging situations where the teacher cannot get their way (that's all "discipline" is), the teacher should present their case to a third party where the child's story and the teacher's story will each have impartial hearing and equivalent consideration. Otherwise, we are teaching our children that some citizens are second class citizens and do not deserve equal protection under law, leading to all sorts of problems later in life (like hiring illegal immigrants, then trying to skip paying them, then trying to deport them, after taking advantage of them, and so on -- examples abound. Where do we think the euphemism "domestic disturbance" comes from?). Which leads to problem 3:
3 - Adult Impatience, Academic Vacuousness and Impotence:
The only reason the adults are hitting the children is because the adults are impatient, they are at their wit's end, and hypocritically revert to treating children as they themselves would not like to be treated. If a teacher finds an irresistible urge to strike out, that is the time for the teacher to take a time out. Just because the classes are over crowded, just because children can be a handful, just because parents neglect their responsibility to participate fully in their own children's upbringing, is no excuse for assault and battery.
I suggest that we sue anyone who assaults and batters a child, and present them to criminal and civil courts, and when convicted, bar them for life from ever participating in a position of responsibility over minors. Then, "... others ... will be too afraid to get reprimanded and will not cross that line ...", right "Jamal"?
Love and hugs (for a reason),
Peter Blaise
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"Jamal", you presume the only way for a child to "behave" to an adult's standards is to be afraid of punishment: "... others ... will be too afraid to get reprimanded and will not cross that line ...". You seem to have a view that behavior acceptable to adults can only come through fear of pain inflicted by adults. If that is what we teach -- and we do by our example -- no wonder the world is in such a warlike mess.
Try this, "Mr. Common Sense", try replacing the word "adult" wherever you suggest how a "child" should be treated, and see if it works: "... Have you ever tried to reason with an adult? They don't understand the way I expect them to. I've spanked my neighbor about 4 times in their life and they're doing just fine ..." ... and you'd be in jail after the first "spanking". You only think your child is okay, but instead, you've wounded them, made them ashamed of themselves and afraid of you. You've broken the natural bonds of familial safety. You've taught them that it's okay when they are larger to strike out against a smaller person for as little a reason as feeling at their own wit's end. Apologize to your child, explain that you acted abusively, inexcusably, on your own weakness and impatience, stop doing it, fix what you broke, and take steps to never do it again.
So, after all your years of education, "because", what have you learned about the best way to deal with an abusive person (who's obviously in pain), such as the one who ripped other children's clothes off and laughed? How good was your schooling, by way of example?
Thanks, "matt", for explaining some of the purpose of separating police from judge and jury, but you miss the next level of separation -- the judge and jury to not carry out "punishment", and school is a place of learning to integrate into society, not a place to separate people from society or damage them for some elusive "good". In spite of your own observation, you still think teachers can be all these things in socializing children -- police, judge, jury, and punisher -- by hitting children as no adult would be hit, and with no overview. No wonder violence is a first response in our society as our children grow up. Can you imagine stopping here, now, from this moment on, with at least you, one person, refusing to hit, and defending anyone who is getting het, or about to get hit? Can you?
"Nancy U" -- it's not just adult's anger, it's adult's impatience that makes adults hit children -- the adult's failings are carried out on the child, and becomes the example from which the next generation learns. How do you think "Jamal" and the others learned that hitting children was a good thing?
"Jesse", there's a severe fallacy in thinking that "... spanking is effective for a particular child at home ..." as it (a) presumes that hitting anyone is okay, and (b) it tries to make an occasional hitter of the teacher. The child is not the only one suffering here. Teachers and parents who hit are also damaged. Witnesses are damaged. Anyone having to deal with the hitting teacher, the witnesses to the hitting, and the hit child are also damaged. The social infestation of violence and disrespect is insidious and affects us all.
"Kate", so you say "... I was paddled ... don't think any child should be paddled at school in class, in the office would be best ..."? Why in the office? Is there something about being paddled that might harm someone if done in class? Please explain why damage is okay in the office, but not in the class. From your example, all I can see is that it will show the child who's boss, not who's right. And nothing else. "Kate", you are another example of someone who was damaged by paddling as a child, and now seek to damage the next generation, rather than heal yourself and your former teachers. You are perpetuating the cycle of violating your fellow human beings. Answer this: if the students find that any teacher has misbehaved, do they get to paddle their teacher? If not, why not? Really. Answer me.
As "T.A.B." so succinctly puts it: "... We should be ashamed ..."
Just a thought: I think we
Just a thought:
I think we can all agree that not every disciplinary method works with every child.**
We had an AP that got pretty good results with "restitution". Some kids could care less about detention, and paddling is not available, but an hour after school on Friday helping the custodians haul trash, mop bathrooms, and pick up trash will get your attention.
**Example: Had a friend who was spanked almost on a daily basis by his roofer father, and nothing changed. Nothing, that is, until his mother made him sit all Saturday afternoon in the living room with nothing to do but look at his friends outside playing and having fun. THAT was suffering, and he cleaned up his act.
I am responding directly to
I am responding directly to the disproportionality of African Americans and the disabled being physically punished more than whites. This is disturbing to me as it is the same cultural dynamic and historical context of racial profiling with law enforcement using excessive force/abuse disproportionally with African Americans. Also, let's not forget the disproportionality of profiling for "shopping while black."
My concern is deeper...adults we need to learn how to communicate and develop relationships across cultures first with one another so positive modeling of relationship building for all children will become second nature. This means educating yourself, immersing yourself in diverse cultural experiences, awakening your biases and destroying those that keep you unconsciously relating "bad" with "black/African Americans or "less than" with the disabled community. If you are NOT doing this, you are NOT part of the solution.
Paddling in schools is very
Paddling in schools is very innapropriate for 2010. It is also ineffective. I remember years and years ago corporal punishment being used, and it was always the same kids getting paddled, which tells me, even 40 years ago it was ineffective. I was simply shocked when I found out this was still legal in my state of Georgia. Even if your district does not hit children, if a teacher does so on their own, they just claim its for discipline and you cannot file a criminal complaint either. Why are educators exempt from prosecution. IF a parent hit their child with a wooden board we would be turned into child services and rightly so. This is very incongruent laws and it must be changed. The sooner the better. There are too many rogue educators who would mete out a paddling just because they can and take out there frustrations on a kid. Too often 200 pound principals are whacking children as small as 40, 50 pounds, this is unacceptable and abusive, yet it is not considered abuse. It is also innapropriate for middle schoolers and teenagers to be struck. What message are we conveying to young ladies who submit to this. We should be ashamed
I believe that when we resort
I believe that when we resort to physical punishment, we have failed in some way. Either we have failed to keep our emotions in balance at that moment, or we have had a failure of using our knowledge of that child in a compassionately creative way to teach or give consequences. Corporal punishment is a shortcut in our thinking, and like some shortcuts I've known, it might not get you where you want to go.
Corporal Punishment has no
Corporal Punishment has no place in our schools. None of us as teachers or administrators have any idea what any of our students face at home, and school needs to be a SAFE place for all. The thought of of someone at school having the right to resort to physical punishment is disgusting. I would like to see where in any literature or studies, this is considered "best practice" when disciplining students. I taught preschool for many years, when I myself was a teenager and college student and was able to effectively manage a classroom of 14 two year olds, there is simply no excuse for this.
I'm a teacher, I was paddled,
I'm a teacher, I was paddled, so were a lot of other WHITE students. I don't think any child should be paddled at school in class, in the office would be best. But I am sick and tired of the "poor me" attitude being perpetuated here. In the area I live and teach in, Anglos make up 3% of the population, yet there are more Anglos that Hispanic or Black, in detention, on suspension, or being accused of bad actions. You need to focus on the child, NOT the color of the child.
The TRUTH is that school
The TRUTH is that school children are treated differently in our great nation based on where they live. A black middle school student in Texas DIED by having his chest crushed when his teacher sat on him to restrain him and ignored his pleas that he could not breathe, he died on the classroom floor in front of his classmates (this teacher is teaching in another state), a Texas high school student suffered deep bruising and welts to his lower back, buttocks and back of his legs when he received 21 "licks" with a wooden canoe paddle, which broke during the beating and had to be taped to continue the beating, a 9-year old Georgia 3rd grader suffered deep bruising injuries when he was paddled with a WOODEN PADDLE 3 TIMES IN ONE DAY (Decatur Co., GA affirmed Corporal Punishment Policy 9/17/09 for school children) and a Publicly Funded Charter School in Memphis, Tennessee physically punishes middle/high school boys and GIRLS weekly during a ceremony called "Chapel" by hitting them with wooden paddles and/or whipping their hands with leather straps IN FRONT OF ALL THE OTHER STUDENTS AS A DETERRENT to publicly induce shame, humiliation and fear! The school employees in the above actions have LEGAL IMMUNITY and are STILL paid by our tax-dollars to be ENTRUSTED with the care and education of our children!
Research indicates that Corporal Punishment is harmful to children and lowers their IQ's due to stress from fear.
People with SPANKING FETISHES work in occupations that give them access to children like hospitals, schools, boy scouts, etc. and over 2,500 teachers were punished in a 5 year period since 2000 for inappropriate sexual relations with our nation's school children, and women teachers are sexually preying on children at an increasingly alarming rate, which is why PHYSICAL/CORPORAL PUNISHMENT OF CHILDREN IN SCHOOLS MUST BE ABOLISHED IMMEDIATELY!
Recently a La Vega, TX elementary school principal's arrest for injuries to a child due to corporal punishment put spotlight on school corporal punishment policies, already ILLEGAL in Schools in 30 States. It is ILLEGAL to beat prisoners.
Our children are worth the effort to protect them and we must demand "Best Practices" that teach children "discipline" through non-violent practices in schools. Students must be taught why what they did was wrong and given the tools to improve behavior/decision making skills while empowering them with awareness to their human right to integrity of their bodies (hands-off!) in our schools and society.
I think the first thing we
I think the first thing we need to think about is how kids learn. What are they learing from being spanked or paddled by an adult? That hitting another person is okay? Many pro-spankers feel that pain associated with a behavior will teach a child to not do that behavior again. While that might be true for infants and toddlers, it is not the case for older children. In addition to that, for the pain/behavior association to work, the spanking must be done immediately so that the association is made. I'm thinking this isn't the case in these schools.
The next thing to think about is what this does for the teacher- do pro-spankers feel that it gives them some sort of power over the kids? It is my opinion that if spanking/paddling a child is the only way you can get respect from children or feel powerful, you might have to work on your teaching skills.
Finally, I agree that the thought of an adult pulling down pants or pulling up a skirt to "punish" a child is kinda creepy. Are these teachers getting a rise out of this? Is this going to lend itself to some sort of fetish thing? Who background checks these spanking teachers?
Just my two cents!
Certainly we don't want
Certainly we don't want children to be abused, and I'm not writing to advocate for or against spanking/paddling/corporal punishment. However, we need to keep in mind that this is common practice in some families and I think, sometimes at school, staff runs into the issue of how to discipline a child who is spanked at home. In the event that spanking is effective for a particular child at home, that child may feel more free to act out at school knowing they can't be spanked. As some have alluded, it's also a concern the way children are spoken to at school. It's just as abusive to yell at and demean a student as it is to use corporal punishment. And as a staffperson at a school, I think, in general, schools would have less trouble if more kids had consequences at home. We see that a lot, that kids get into trouble at school and nothing happens at home. It leaves a huge burden on the school in terms of discipline.
I work in a school system in
I work in a school system in a poor, primarily black county in North Carolina. North Carolina does allow corporal punishment, but my district does not. Corporal punishment has not been tolerated here (by stated policy and in practice) for at least the past sixteen years. While my school may have many discipline issues and lack any kind of strong parental support, there are very few teachers I have come across that believe corporal punishment would solve any problems. We have decided to focus, as a district, on PBIS.
Right on James!!! I teach in
Right on James!!! I teach in an urban NC High School. If we want reduced violence we must demonstrate non-violent discipline. Positive Behavior Support (PBS) works.
I retired from the Army and know that discipline is not improved by "paddling" or "corporal punishment" NC State Legislature needs to eliminate the permission for "local control" over corporal punishment.
I attended Searcy High
I attended Searcy High School, Searcy Arkansas 1999-2003. This school paddled multitudes of students, male and female, on a daily basis. The practice was completely ineffective. The disciplinary system was based around detention hall (D-Hall) as it was more commonly referred too. A student would receive D-hall for the most minor infractions. D-hall was given out like candy on Halloween at this school. The teacher did not even have to tell the student or confront them in any way as to their infraction. The teacher could write it on a little piece of paper, which was submitted to the principle. Every morning D-hall slips were passed out in first period. D-Hall started at 6:00 a.m. an hour before school started. If the student missed D-hall or did not feel like getting up that early they could choose a paddling or "licks" as it was known. Two very hard slaps to the bottom with a large wooden paddle by a male principle. Every single day there would be 10, 20 sometimes 30 students waiting to get paddled. It did not deter anyone from committing offenses. It was an easy way out of D-hall. Not to mention if you went to D-Hall your parents would know because you were leaving so early. By choosing a paddling it would be over in moments and your parents would not find out. It was an easy way out. Looking back as a young man, I am disgusted now to think of how a grown man would be ok with spanking 15, 16, 17, and 18-year boys and girls. That disgusts me.
exactly--very well written.
exactly--very well written.
As a school counselor I am
As a school counselor I am feeling your pain and that of your classmates. I am hoping all of you have put this behind you and are leading consructive adult lives. By speaking out you can change the system and how your children will be treated...
I *disagree* with using
I *disagree* with using physical punishment, particularly in schools. There is an excellent article about laws passed against spanking in Sweden, here's a link: http://www.neverhitachild.org/haeuser.html
I just read the article about
I just read the article about the law passed in Sweden and there should be laws against abuse. But abuse is more than just physical. You can do equally damaging effects verbally as you could physically. Too much of any one thing is bad. A slap on the wrist is not abuse.
I agree with the practice of
I agree with the practice of physical punishment in schools. I believe it teaches the students that they're lines drawn and they are consequences when those lines are crossed. It's no different than when you grow up and become an adult that you know that if you steal someone's car, you will wind up in jail. For some, they don't care about the consequences of their actions and will do what they want regardless. They're others who will be too afraid to get reprimanded and will not cross that line. And the ones who cross the line and pay for it, have learned a valuable lesson. Excess of anything isn't good and this isn't about hurting kids but it teaches them that they can be punished beyond the grasp of Mom & Dad. "It takes a village to raise a child"-African Proverb
Greetings. Please consider
Greetings. Please consider this as food for thought and action, it takes a healthy village to raise a healthy child.
A natural consequence to
A natural consequence to talking in class or misbehaving or even talking back to the teacher is not violence. If a students is too talkative in class then move him/her to a different desk. Violence toward a student will seemingly only teach him/her that if someone does something you disagree with then you can hit them. As a teacher at a school with many disadvantaged youth who have been exposed to violence in their lives I see the nasty effects on their education and self-esteem. It is amazing what these students can achieve when they are exposed to people who talk to them, respect them and work with them.
When we physically punish our
When we physically punish our community's children, we teach them that it's okay to hit when we're angry. It's okay for a man to hit his wife, okay for a child to hit a peer, okay to kick a dog--okay to use violence instead of dialogue to solve our problems.
I love your analogy about stealing someone's car--yes, even we as adults have consequences if we don't follow the rules--in your example, that consequence is JAIL, not VIOLENCE.
Ah, but that is why a very
Ah, but that is why a very disciplined adult is required for paddling to be effective. There is a universe of difference between a visibly angry and aggressive adult taking an object and striking a student with it and a very calm and controlled adult reasonably informing the student that they have done such and such a wrong and that the punishment is a few moments of pain (and I emphasize, it must be a FEW MOMENTS; lingering pain and soreness teaches a child that a reasonable adult inflicts suffering as a form of discipline and that is NOT the proper message) and a slight dose of shame because while the punishment must not be physically very painful, being bent over and spanked like a little child causes shame and shame, used properly and constructively, induces a desire in the child to avoid being shamed and thus, avoid the activity which caused them to be spanked and shamed. This is how a mature well-meaning adult physically disciplines a child for the child's betterment.
Many students are beaten on a
Many students are beaten on a daily basis at home and they act out constantly at school. So is that effective? I can assure you that if any teacher ever laid a hand or paddle on my daughter their job is gone.
I'm with you Jamal. I think
I'm with you Jamal. I think that history will show that this idea of not disciplining children physically is pie in the sky in regards to raising well balanced people. Of course some children are sensitive and only need a verbal reprimand. The key I think here is discipline with a sense of justice and not anger and revenge. For example, a person cannot legally go and murder another person to avenge a murder done to a friend (although this is extremely common in the world). But a judge/jury does an should have the power to imprison or even put to death a person based on justice. That doesn't mean that the judge or jury hates the person, but rather is responsible for giving justice. I believe that a child can understand this by the way that a parent disciplines. Here is real abuse in my estimation. NY times shouting is the new spanking: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/22/fashion/22yell.html
I don't understand how
I don't understand how someone could hit a child and think it is ok. You are reinforcing physical punishment and pain to something wrong. You have a child who gets into a fight and instead of a "jail" type sentence you are hitting them all the while telling them not to hit. The adult that goes to jail is basically put in a "time-out" without physical punishment, why would it be ok to hit a child and not the adult. Hitting is NEVER OK!
I so agree with you and am
I so agree with you and am shocked at how others view this issue. I guess I would like to ask them if it would be ok for me to spank their child in the classroom in front of their peers?


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Jack Fisk is a first-time director whose debut is graced by the hauntingly gifted Sissy Spacek. She happens also to be his wife. Spacek plays Nita, a mother of two, who leaves her do-nothing husband and is forced to work as a phone operator to support the young 'uns in rural Texas. It's a lonely life until she meets a Navy man on furlough, played by Eric Roberts. Their brief fling lights up her life, but when the dust settles she's turned into the town outcast, hounded by two lecherous bullies. If the movie ended with Spacek's proud resolve to buy herself three bus tickets to shake off the town's scarlet fetters, it would have packed a wallop: Her weary struggle to survive and protect her children is compellingly believable. But scriptwriter William Wittliff can't leave well enough alone. Sissy has to be rescued from the bullies' sexual attack by the town's token eccentric, the Raggedy Man, played by Sam (Days of Heaven) Shepard. It's a plot convenience at best, designed to provide the one ironic twist that would tie everything together. But it doesn't work; the plot, like the title character, is too raggedy. It's an honest failure, though, and a creditable debut for Fisk behind the camera. Spacek is riveting; the 1940s set design and Ralf Bode's cinematography are simply glorious. (PG)
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Informant claims he bribed several Pa. lawmakers
HARRISBURG -- A man who wore a wire for Pennsylvania prosecutors claimed in a court filing unsealed Thursday that he paid cash bribes to several elected state House representatives in exchange for favorable votes.
The allegation surfaced after a judge released documents related to Tyron Ali, a Philadelphia businessman and lobbyist who began to secretly record contacts with unnamed public officials from Philadelphia after being charged in a fraud case five years ago.
"Mr. Ali, in cooperation with the (Office of Attorney General), paid cash bribes to no fewer than eight elected state representatives in exchange for favorable votes on a variety of public laws, all of which was documented and recorded by OAG," wrote his attorney, Robert Levant, in the Sept. 12 filing.
A state prosecutor said at a news conference after the documents were released, however, that the evidence on the still-sealed secret tapes does not support Ali's claims that the money resulted in the sort of action required to show in court that the payments amounted to bribes.
The claim was made as Levant fought to have the judge enforce a cooperation agreement that called for Ali's own criminal charges to be dismissed, as occurred two months later.
"I have a strong disagreement with those assertions," Bruce Beemer, a senior state prosecutor, told reporters at the attorney general's offices in Harrisburg.
"I did not find evidence that would be sufficient to support a quid pro quo," he said.
The September court filing does not identify the eight alleged recipients by name, but provided a breakdown of Ali's contacts that claimed that he gave cash to five state representatives in exchange for a vote or votes, that he gave cash to two others and he gave meals to three more. He also claimed in that filing to have hosted a dinner for five state representatives; gave meals, tickets or cash to three lobbyists; and gave meals and an expensive bracelet to a Philadelphia traffic court judge.
The Philadelphia Inquirer first reported in March about the bracelet claims and said that four Democratic state lawmakers from Philadelphia, all African-American, had been captured on tape accepting money from Ali.
Ali was charged in 2009 with defrauding the Pennsylvania Department of Education out of $430,000 through the nonprofit Logan Child Care Resource Center. The Attorney General's Office agreed in late 2012 to drop more than 2,000 charges against Ali, a deal made shortly after Kathleen Kane was elected, but before she took office as attorney general in January 2013.
Kane has said she abandoned the investigation because of concerns it was poorly managed, it may have improperly targeted subjects based on their race and it was not likely to result in any successful prosecutions.


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I'm sure most designers and developers have had enough of Internet Explorer 6 and the various problems associated with having to develop websites that not only work in more up to date browsers but offer support and fixes purely for IE6.
Please note this article and script are now quite old and while you're welcome to use the script, I would recommend having a look around for a more up to date alternative as there are lots out there now. You might also want to read about what effect a noficiation bar actually has.
This article provides shows you how, with the use of a stylesheet switcher script and a little conditional CSS, you can show IE6 users a message and allow them to hide it if they can't, or don't want to upgrade their browser rather than forcing them to see a message telling them something they can't do anything about.
To force or to advise?
There are a growing number of companies and designers who have reached the point where they no longer offer default support for IE6. One very prominent example recently has seen 37Signals phasing phase out support for IE6 on their products. There are plenty of other sites and companies who no longer offer IE6 compatability as part of their standard service and many who now charge extra.
It's worth noting that despite all its flaws, IE6 still commands a large share of the browser market and as such, a more gentle approach really might be better than simply stopping developing working sites for IE6.
A simple adivisory notice will suffice
It occured to me recently that perhaps a nice compromise would be to combine the style switcher written by Paul Sowden with a little conditional CSS to display a notice in IE6 but that offers the user the chance to close it and keep it closed by using a simple cookie to switch to a stylesheet that hides rather than displays the notice.
This way, you've done your duty in advising the IE6 user that there are better, safer and more up to date options for browsing the web but you've also provided them with a simple fallback of dismissing the message if they don't want to or can't upgrade. It's a little more subtle than a hulking great message appearing on every page because if they don't want to update their browser, viewing your site with a constant message about upgrading will be one way to lose a visitor.
View the demo
Writing tutorials really isn't my strong point so I'd suggest that as the people who will use this script are going to know what I'm talking about, you should just view the IE6 soft upgrade notice demo and if you want to pick it apart, you can download all the relevant files here.
How it works
1. HTML page contains conditional call to two stylesheets – the default stylesheet shows the notice in IE6 the alternative stylesheet hides it.
2. The javascript link in the message displayed in IE6 swaps stylesheets from the one showing the message to one that hides it. At the same time, to avoid it showing the message on the next page a visitor views, it writes a simple cookie to remember that they've chosen to use the stylesheet that hides the message.
Credits and additional reading
I'd like to stress that what I've done here is re-purpose an existing script from ALA and made use of the conditional commenting to show you that you can phase out support for IE6 while not annoying users by displaying a message on every page they visit on your site. As such, here are a few links to the resources and some compelling reasons you should try help "educate" your users on upgrading their browsers.
- Browse Happy – Good reasons to use another browser
- 37 Signals – Phase out support of IE6
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As ever, if you have any questions, thoughts or feedback, please post a comment. I'd be interested to see other peoples methods for "educating" their site visitors about the continued use of IE6.


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I frequently pray that if I were in such circumstance, that I would boldly say to the one person that was holding the key to my life(at least on earth) in his hand; "My God will deliver me, but if not I still will not worship your gods." To have that kind of faith, that says that I know that God has the ability to deliver me out of this trial or problem, but even if He doesn't, I know that He is still there, and He still cares for me. There is a song out right now by Laura Story: Blessings- one of the verses which reads:
We pray for wisdom
Your voice to hear
And we cry in anger when we cannot feel You near
We doubt Your goodness, we doubt Your love
As if every promise from Your Word is not enough
Isaiah 40:28-31Have you not known? Have you not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, faints not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding. He gives power to the faint; and to them that have no might he increases strength. Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall: But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.
God's promises are enough! His grace is enough!! Just remember next time you are feeling discouraged, that maybe the trials of this life are just God's mercies in disguise.
(see this link for the song Blessings by Laura Story)
Until next time: The Lord bless you and keep you, the Lord be gracious to you, make His face shine upon you and give you peace. Numbers 6:24-26


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Recently, fresh rumors are spread on internet about the Kong Hee that he is ready to divorce Sun Ho. Kong Hee is a Christian and volunteer senior pastor of City Harvest Church in Singapore. Sun Ho, Kong Hee's wife is a pop music singer. Currently, they reside in the United States and they have a son, Dayan Kong.
The pop singer Ho Yeow Sun famously known as Sun Ho is gonna divorce Kong Hee on the latest controversy of interview in City Harvest Church with its 17 members including its pastor Kong Hee. This news is not confirmed by any media or source. Many people feel it just as a rumor because of no valid and powerful reason.
Hong Kee traveled to USA to spend time with his singer wife in the past. No controversies were available concerning this worthy to mention. Some assertions are in news about Sun Ho that she is using the church funds to promote her career and about her skin show dressing.
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