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Just tried this recipe for Tofu Coconut Cream Pie and it works pretty well. I made it purely vegan by using vegan butter instead of margarine and Agave syrup instead of sugar and it was fine. Although a bit chalky and not as coconutty as I like, I'll do what Sarah suggests and add coconut extract next time. But for a first effort this was fine and affirms my belief that I can cook vegan meals.
Tofu Coconut Cream Pie
Tofu Coconut Cream Pie
Sweet, light, vegan, and practically guilt-free, this pie is absolutely delicious.
For the crust:
1 pkg. vegan graham crackers (12-14 crackers)
2 T. sugar
6 T. vegan margarine
For the filling:
½ c. plus 2 T. toasted shredded coconut (reserve 2 T.)
1 14-oz. package firm tofu, drained and rinsed
¼ c. light brown sugar (very lightly packed) or pure cane sugar
2-3 T. coconut milk*
1/8 t. Vanilla extract (optional)
To prepare:
Preheat your oven to 350. In a small pan, melt the margarine. In a food processor, process the crackers and sugar. Place the dry mixture in a bowl and drizzle in the melted margarine, mix well, and press into a 9 inch spring form pan. Bake the crust for 15 minutes, then remove it from the oven, and allow it cool.
Sprinkle the shredded coconut on a lined baking sheet and toast it in the oven until it's light brown. Keep an eye on it, because coconut can burn very quickly. Remove the toasted pieces from the oven and place them in a bowl, fluffing the coconut if needed.
In a food processor, purée the tofu until smooth. Add the sugar, coconut milk, vanilla, and 8 tablespoons of the coconut. Process on high for about 10 seconds, then pour the mixture into the pre-baked shell, and top with the remaining toasted coconut. Chill the pie for two hours, or overnight. This pie keeps for up to a week in the refrigerator – but it usually gets eaten long before that.
This recipe may also be prepared in a square or rectangular pan and cut into individual squares for a great party treat.
*Sweetened coconut milk is, of course, sweeter and has a more intense coconut flavor, however unsweetened works just as well. Try it both ways and see which you prefer.
Thank you for this recipe my partner and i enjoy this coconut cream pie delicious and yummy :0)
Hi Toni, I really like your site here and I also have you app on my iPhone so you know I love you! Thanks for all you do for us to bring wonderful recipes. Tonight I made the Tofu Coconut Cream Pie and had visions of my Grandmother's lovely pie and couldn't wait to make this. I knew that tofu has an aftertaste, but I thought the toasted coconut and the coconut milk would alleviate the chalky taste. It did not. Let me tell you what I did and then tell you what I plan on doing next time. Thanks for your hint on the Mori Nu Tofu. I will try to find it. My husband went to the store and accidently bought cinnamon graham crackers. I was a little worried about that, but in actuality I liked it better. The cinnamon did not interfere with the taste at all and we thought it really added to it. Next, I made the filling by your directions and amounts. Well, it's probably me as I'm a new Vegan (due to health so it's for life!) but I just thought it was not sweet enough even though I used sweetened coconut milk, the brown sugar and all. So, I said how does it differ from the pies that I used to make. From there I added salt. It needed that to compliment the sweetness. Then I added 2 teaspoons vanilla extract, 1 teaspoon butter extract, and 1 teaspoon of coconut extract. It was better but not quite coco-nutty/ sweet enough, so I added a total of 1/2 of the can of coconut milk. The pie was less chalky, but now just a tish too sweet for me (hubby said it wasn't too sweet) but it needed the cream and eggs I was used to! Ha. Anyway, since I can't use them I decided that next time I make this pie I will do this and see if the chalky taste is gone.... In the crust, I will eliminate the sugar and add coconut thereby enhancing the coconut flavor (and I will stick with the cinnamon graham crackers brand 365). For the filling, I will get the Mori Nu Tofu, if I can. Then I will make the filling like I did before using only 1/3 of the can of coconut cream and only 2 tablespoons of the brown sugar. Now comes where I think will make the big difference as I got the flavors right with the extracts....I am going to pour a very thin layer of filling over the crust (made as usual with coconut), then I will add a layer of ground up graham cracker crumbs over that, then unsweetened coconut on top of the crumbs and repeating the layers once or twice more and ending with the toasted coconut that you suggested, which I loved. I love coconut cream pie so I am not giving up! If this does not work, I'll keep playing with it until I get it right. I was even thinking of Veganaise as a possibility somewhere in the recipe for creaminess...... Sara
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Tofu Coconut Cream Pie For the crust: 1 pkg. vegan graham crackers (12-14 crackers) 30 mL sugar 80 g vegan margarine For the filling: 120 mL plus 30 mL toasted shredded coconut (reserve 30 mL) 1 400 g package firm tofu, drained and rinsed 50 g light brown sugar or pure cane sugar 30 - 45 mL coconut milk* .6 mL Vanilla extract (optional) To prepare: Preheat your oven to 180°C. In a small pan, melt the margarine. In a food processor, process the crackers and sugar. Place the dry mixture in a bowl and drizzle in the melted margarine, mix well, and press into a 23 cm spring form pan. Bake the crust for 15 minutes, then remove it from the oven, and allow it cool.
Impressive post there!! Poor coconut oil... Its only fault is coconuts cultivate only in the tropics. If only the coconut palm tree (Cocos nucifera Linn) grew every place, coconut oil would have been most probably heralded as the most phenomenal, highest quality, best, etc. dietary oil or fat on the the entire globe. Cheers.
Hi Diana, I would use sweetened for this. When I use coconut milk for savory recipes I use unsweetened. Also look for a first cold pressed variety if possible (not completely necessary but it's better)and bump up the sugar if you need to to taste. Sweetened has a more pronounced coconut flavor. Also the tofu in the aseptic carton (long term carton storage) called MORI NU has a milder soy flavor. Look for the extra firm style. I discovered using this tofu after I developed this recipe and after I heard from a few people that they could taste a bit too much soy aftertaste with the refrigerated tofu. If you can't find Mori Mu any firm or extra firm tofu will do. Let me know how this worked out for you. Take care. Toni
So I'm attempting to make this dish/dessert. And this is my first time baking something on my own..funny, to me at least..Okay, Question: you didn't specify if we should use 'sweetened' or 'unsweetened' coconut. I'm trying it w/the 'unsweetened'. What do you suggest? Thanks, Diana.
Oops! Never mind! Now I see the reference to toasting the coconut in the text. I had seen this recipe made on the show, but don't recall seeing how to toast the coconut. Either it wasn't mentioned or I missed it. And somehow I managed to read past it here, too!
Question...Do you buy the shredded coconut already toasted? Of do you toast yourself? If so, how? Beth
I suspect that the texture would change if it was frozen because of the water content of tofu. I've frozen my tofu ravioli with no problem, but that's about a tablespoon of tofu filling tucked into pasta, not an open faced pie. If you do freeze some of this pie please let us know the result. As far as the crust goes, any crust will work. Again please feel free to share what and how you've modified this recipe. It's always helpful for me and others. thanks for writing. Toni
can this pie be frozen or will texture change.Also can you use a spelt pie crust or nut crust be used instead.
Try using Mori Nu firm or extra firm tofu. It comes in aseptic cartons and has a neutral more mild flavor. I have come to prefer it especially when using tofu for desserts.
I thought the pie was okay. I could taste the tofu in mine and the pie had a lot more saturated fat than I thought it would...still lighter than a regular coconut cream pie.
The pie was great!!!! I loved it and so did some friends who would not try tofu but love this pie. Thank you
Thanks Carol I'm glad you liked it! Should you make changes that you feel improve the recipe, please write back and share your ideas. Toni
Saw your podcast, made the pie and loved it. Will make it again soon.
Sara - glad you're trying your own way to make this recipe work for you. Our philosophy is always to encourage people to experiment to find new ways of enjoying great veg food. Keep it up! And thanks for posting.
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"As long as you stand out in the sun and you work hard, your neck's gonna get red," drawls actor Tommy Lee Jones, 34. "Hell, if somebody called me a red-neck, I'd be proud of it." These days, if the Hollywood swells want to call Jones at all, they'd best dial long-distance to Austin. The craggy co-star of Coal Miner's Daughter and Back Roads has abandoned the old Marilyn Monroe house in California he once rented, parted ways with supermodel Lisa Taylor and gone home to Mother Texas.
He has, moreover, taken a Texas bride. Slipping out of his favorite Levi's and leather boots last week, Tommy Lee squirmed into a tux for his marriage in Austin's First Baptist Church to Kimberlea Gayle Cloughley (pronounced clockly), the 23-year-old extra he met on the Back Roads set last July. After the 15-minute ceremony, the couple threw a hoedown for 300 guests at a reception complete with a country & Western band, sourdough bread and brisket. The Joneses already are thinking about family planning, with Tommy Lee joking to Kim that he would like to have three sons so he can field an all-Jones polo team. "Our Texas values are important to us," says Kim. "We are very family-oriented."
Kimberlea, a University of Texas graduate and an aspiring photographer, set up house with her new leading man last February in a three-bedroom four-decker overlooking Lake Austin. The rented quarters are about 300 miles from Tommy Lee's 23-acre citrus-and-horse farm in La Feria, and a shorter haul from San Antonio's Retama Polo Center, where he rides two or three times a week. Although "the movie business is paying for everything I do," says Tommy Lee, star-tripping in Hollywood has lost its appeal. "All you got to do is buy some pants that don't have any hip pockets on 'em, get a little spoon hanging around your neck, go to the right restaurants, buy a couple of Hawaiian shirts and a Mercedes convertible. It's not too hard to be a star. But being an actor is something that few people can afford to do."
Jones' renegade ways began taking root in west and central Texas, where his father, Clyde, worked as an oil field driller and his mother, Marie, served as the first policewoman of Midland County. Their stormy marriage (they now are divorced) Tommy Lee remembers as a "psychically horrifying story." After a scholarship to preppy St. Mark's School of Texas in Dallas, Jones went east to Harvard, picking up cum laude honors in English and acting in Shakespeare, Brecht and Euripides. He also made all-Ivy as an offensive guard in football. His shovel-size hands still bear witness to the summers Jones spent earning tuition money as an oil field roughneck.
From a 1969 Broadway walk-on, Tommy Lee moved on to better stage roles, a three-year stint on daytime TV's One Life to Live, and into a seven-year marriage with Katharine Lardner, the granddaughter of sportswriter Ring. The couple separated several years later just as Jones began hitting " the big time in The Amazing Howard Hughes, the 1977 TV bio that catapulted him into title roles. Cast next as a maniacal Manhattan detective opposite Faye Dunaway in Eyes of Laura Mars, he met model Lisa Taylor while filming the fashion world whodunit, and the pair, who were together for three years, once shared MM's Brentwood home.
Surprisingly, Jones' much-praised 1980 performance as Loretta Lynn's husband Mooney in Coal Miner's Daughter drew none of the movie's seven Oscar nominations. "What they do with their award is their own business. I prefer checks to statues myself," insists the actor. This year his role as a lunky, ruined prizefighter opposite Sally Field in Back Roads inspired good reviews and led to the whirlwind romance with Kimberlea. She admits that at their first meeting, during filming in Brownsville, Texas, "I was scared to death of him. I was worried he was on the rebound. I had heard movie stars assume they can have any girl they want." Four days later, however, "I started liking him."
Away from the cameras for more than 11 months now, Jones has spent some of his time playing polo (he keeps a string of five ponies) and scouting for Texas ranchland to buy. His West Coast trappings have all but vanished—except for the L.A. and Santa Barbara property he owns and a sleek black Porsche that still bears California plates. Always an early riser ("I don't think Picasso or Genghis Khan slept till noon"), Jones clearly relishes his off-screen image as a tough-hided hard worker and scoffs at suggestions that he carries the cowboy ethic too far, even though he is a Lone Star beer and Marlboro man. "Sometimes I've been drunk at the wrong time," he concedes, "but who hasn't?"
Yet for all his bluster, the onetime Ivy League scholar still admits to "an abiding interest in poetry" and sprinkles references to Aristotle and Joyce in his conversation. As soon as a movie role "that I'm intrigued about" comes along, he says, the bleached range of Texas will give way again to the bright lights of Hollywood. "But you need to look for some kind of motivation other than money," cautions Tommy Lee contentedly. "There's a matter of heart to be considered."
Once a Lone Star, Texan Tommy Lee Jones Takes a New Bride—and a Powder from L.a.
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I add Walnut oil, a tablespoon of honey and a pinch of salt. The honey and salt is so it will keep longer than 4 days in the fridge. The Walnut oil is for the added flavor.
If you have to watch your salt intake and want to dilute it, try adding Cognac or Rhum to your coconut milk. It will help preserve it past 4 days in the fridge and will taste great in coffee.


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Last year the Phoenix Coyotes extended the Red Wings to seven games, forcing them to make three trips out West, resulting in only one day off before the second round against San Jose.
"Kind of remember last year," the Red Wings' Pavel Datsyuk said. "We had Game 7 here; take lots of time, lots of travel, take our energy away."
That is why Detroit is determined to end this Western Conference quarterfinal series tonight in Game 4 at Jobing.com Arena.
"The guys that have been here understand," coach Mike Babcock said. "We were in this situation against Dallas (2008 conference finals) and had to go into Dallas and win a Game 6 to clinch the series. You just never want to let your foot off the gas. The other thing is, why would you play more games than you have to?"
This might be the final game for the Phoenix franchise. The ownership situation is unsettled amid reports the club might relocate back to Winnipeg. Ironically, the Red Wings eliminated Winnipeg in the first round of the 1996 playoffs in the Jets' final season before moving to Phoenix.
It could be an emotional night for players and fans. And the Red Wings anticipate facing a fired up team.
"You want to give them as little hope as possible, as little life as possible," Detroit's Niklas Kronwall said. "If we can come out with good push it's something we'd like to do, try to take the edge out right away."
Defenseman Brad Stuart expects the Coyotes to play their best game. But his team has plenty of motivation, too.
"It's tough to play a seven-game series and jump right into another series, even emotionally a little bit," Stuart said. "If you can get that little bit of a buffer in between, get some days off, just re-energize, that's huge."
The Red Wings have scored four goals in each of the first three games and haven't allowed an even-strength goal since Game 1. But Babcock sees plenty of room for improvement.
"We didn't play near as well (in Game 3) as we did the first two games," Babcock said. "They came through the neutral zone too easy. We weren't as good in our own zone as we need to be. So we have to get those things better and then everything will look after itself."
Red Wings have Bryzgalov's number
Phoenix goaltender Ilya Bryzgalov is 3-7 with a 3.23 goals-against average and an .897 save percentage in 11 career playoff appearances against the Red Wings.
He is 9-5 with a 1.61 GAA and a .939 save percentage against all other teams in the playoffs.
Bryzgalov has allowed four goals in each game of this series. Detroit has won 56 consecutive playoff games when scoring four or more goals.
"In talking to (goaltending coach) Sean Burke this morning he thinks (Bryzgalov) is trying too hard on some stuff," Coyotes coach Dave Tippett said. "Like the rest of us we just have to relax a little bit and give every drop of energy we have and make it be constructive, smart energy."
Said Bryzgalov: "I'm wondering 'How can this happen?' We expected it to be different, not down 3-0. I just want to win one game. That's what I want."
Odds & ends
-- Datsyuk and Johan Franzen did not practice Tuesday, but Babcock said both will play in Game 4. Franzen has been bothered by a sore left ankle. Datsyuk also didn't participate in Monday's gameday skate.
-- Henrik Zetterberg (sprained left knee) practiced in Datsyuk's spot on Tuesday and is getting closer to returning but won't play in Game 4.
"It looks to me he should be ready to go in the not-too-distant future," Babcock said. "We're in a good situation right now that we can give him time."
-- Only three teams have come back from an 0-3 deficit to win a series. But it happened last year, when Philadelphia did it against Boston.
"It's definitely been talked about, but I don't think you want to get caught up in thinking about something like that," Phoenix captain Shane Doan said. "We just want to win a period, then win a game a see what happens."
-- Datsyuk expects Phoenix to be physical again.
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Marriage is a pretty big step. Or, you know – not.
Camila Alves says she doesn't expect walking down the aisle to change much at all in her relationship with Matthew McConaughey, mostly because they're like a married couple already.
"We've been living a married life for over six years now," the Brazilian model, 29, tells ET Canada. "We have homes together, we have family together, we have kids, we've built a life together. So, we've been living a married life this whole time."
The one truly meaningful part of it, she adds, is what it means to their children – Levi, who will be 4 in July, and Vida, who just turned 2.
"I think it's great for the kids," Alves says. "Levi actually understands what it means now that Mama's going to have the same last name as they have, so that's neat."
But what's important in the long run? Being healthy and happy. "A lot of people, sometimes they're so stuck on 'I gotta get married, I gotta get married,' " Alves says. "They forget that the really important thing ... is to have a healthy home, a healthy family, a healthy environment for your kids and to have everything going in a good, peaceful way."
Alves and McConaughey, 42, got engaged in December but still haven't set a date for the nuptials. "I really haven't thought much about the wedding," Alves says. "We just got a new home, it's just been really busy. I'm just really enjoying being engaged."
But when the time comes, she may in fact become a bridezilla. "I don't know what kind of bride I'm going to be," she says. "I may turn into a crazy woman, I don't know!"
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Who knew that Mexican cuisine could be as good as anything coming from the kitchens of Europe or Asia?
Well, until Silvana Salcido Esparza opened Barrio Cafe some six years ago, no one in this town would have had any idea.
Her regional fare - most dishes hail from central and southern Mexico - take you to a place you won't want to leave.
It could be cochinita pibil, a Yucatán specialty of slow-cooked pork scented with achiote. It could be chile en nogada, a Puebla dish featuring chile stuffed with chicken, dried fruit and pecans, smothered in almond sauce. It could be chicken draped with Oaxacan black mole. Or it could be her inspired creation, duck breast in a sweet and spicy tamarind chile sauce.
Finish up with terrific churros, and be glad you don't need a passport and Mexican car insurance to come here.
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Milwaukee Brewers catcher Jason Kendall is the kind of hitter that you sometimes see in slow-pitch softball leagues. You know the weakest hitter in the lineup, who all the outfielders cheat way up for because he's got no chance of hitting one deep.
Kendall has hit six homers in six years, none this season. His slugging percentage is .276. He's one of my least favorite batters to watch, unless I'm fading the Brewers or have an under play.
Russell Martin used to be one of the best hitting catchers. In 2007, the Dodgers catcher batted .293 with 19 homers and 87 RBI's. Last year, Martin batted .280 with 13 homers and 69 RBI's.
This year it's hard to tell the difference between Kendall and Martin. They're both fast for catchers and are iron men behind the plate rarely sitting out.
But Martin is batting .236 with no homers. He has five hits in his last 43 at bats through Wednesday. His slugging percentage is .278. That territory is reserved for hitting dregs like Kendall.
Am I being too cynical to think Martin might have been a juicer and now he's off the stuff?
Disgraced referee Tim Donaghy has nothing on Bennett Salvatore and his two stooges, Mark Wunderlich and Ken Mauer.
Not after this bastard crew called 61 fouls in Denver's 106-105 win at Dallas on Saturday. There were a staggering 89 free throws attempted.
But that wasn't even the worst of it. Somehow the trio of amateurs failed to see Antonie Walker intentionally foul Carmelo Anthony twice with under six seconds left with Dallas leading, 105-103, and having a foul to give.
Yes, you're damn right I had under 209 1/2 points. And I handicapped the game right. Denver shot 42 percent from the floor. Dallas shot 40 percent from the field. The defensive intensity was up a notch.
The only way this game went over with 211 points scored is because these idiot referees had to take center stage. These aren't even two physical teams.
This is what Wright said following the game, "... All night long the whistle was blowing fast. At the end of the game when we're blatantly trying to foul, the whistle wasn't blowing."
What could Wright have done? If he would have decked Anthony a la Derek Fisher, the referees gleefully would have called a flagrant foul. That would have given Denver free throws and the ball.
Wright raked Anthony across the arm. He did so right in front of the Mavs' bench, which was screaming at Wright to foul. Wright was so sure the whistle would blow that he stopped playing.
I would have far less of a problem losing my bet if the foul is called. The Nuggets then in-bound the ball and Anthony hits a shot at the buzzer. But the way it went down wasn't right when everybody in the building except the referees and Denver coach George Karl saw a player commit an obvious foul.
"I didn't see a foul," Karl was quoted as saying.
Karl's either blind or a liar.
The league shouldn't fine Dallas owner Mark Cuban if he speaks out or Josh Howard for being justifiably angry. They should fine Karl for being totally disingenuous and fire these referees for their Ed Hochuli-type performance.
Does this referee crew have a propensity for calling a lot of fouls and thus being involving in far more overs than unders? It's a question worth pondering after Saturday's abortion.
The NBA isn't exactly pure is it?
The Sacramento Kings (16-56), Washington Wizards (17-58) and Memphis Grizzlies (19-54) own the three-worst records in the NBA.
But none of them are the worst team in the NBA right now. The Kings have no talent, except for Kevin Martin and rookie Jason Thompson.
The Wizards have been decimated by injuries.
The Grizzlies are extremely young starting three rookies, a second-year player and third-year man Rudy Gay.
No, the worst team right now is the New Jersey Nets.
How can any team with playoff hopes and Vince Carter and Devin Harris in the starting lineup lose on consecutive days to Minnesota and Milwaukee at home like New Jersey did on Sunday and Monday by a combined 38 points? The Timberwolves were missing Al Jefferson and Randy Foye. The Bucks were without Michael Redd and Andrew Bogut.
The Timberwolves have been near helpless since losing Jefferson. The Bucks entered their matchup against the Nets having lost seven straight road games and were 1-11 against the spread in their past 12 games.
Following the loss to the Bucks, Carter was quoted as saying, "I want to apologize to the fans having to watch this."
Not good enough Vince. What about those like myself who actually lost money betting on you unmotivated, gutless dogs and I don't mean underdogs.
Forget waiting unitl the end of the season. Lawrence Frank should immediately be fired as the team's head coach. There's no excuse for that type of back-to-back performance, I don't care what kind of chemistry issues there are.
I lost more money on the Nets last year than any other team. So I've mainly stayed away from their games this season and was on a 43-26 hot streak until laying three with the Nets Monday night.
My fault for backing such an unpredictable, loser squad. But I thought at least the Nets would show up and the Bucks were in a free-fall.
It won't happen again. My warning: Play the Nets at your own peril. Either fade them or keep away. Far away.
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7.62 NATO through .308 bolt-action: Safe?
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> 7.62 NATO through .308 bolt-action: Safe?
July 20, 2007, 05:19 PM
This should be brief. Because 7.62 Nato (milsurp) is cheaper (relatively) than match grade 308, I'd like to use the former for teaching a new shooter how to operate a bolt-action, 308 rifle. This is okay, right?
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July 20, 2007, 05:25 PM
i would say yes because 7.62 nato has lower pressures than .308 win so u can use the nato in a winchester one but not vice versa
July 20, 2007, 05:28 PM
Wouldn't worry about it on a bolt action.
1911 guy
July 20, 2007, 06:14 PM
Post #2 has it backward, the 7.62x51 is higher pressure than .308Win. However, I've done it quite a bit. The bolt will occasionally be a little stiff to lift after firing, but nothing extreme like stuck bolt, ruptured case, etc. The recoil is noticeably different, too. If I go through 100 rds. 7.62x51 at a single range session, I get a bruised shoulder. Commercial, not so much.
I stand corrected. I will relay my experience has always been that milsurp ammo headstamped 7.62 makes my bolt stick and shows the occasional flattened primer. My rifle seems to like a combination of Argentine cases, Varget powder and speer bullets. I shoot a lot of surplus ammo for cases and have pressure signs, albeit mild, with every single shot. Opening the bolt after firing commercial or reloaded ammo is never as stiff as with the milsurp. Never had a flattened primer, either. So a logical question, from my viewpoint: Why would a lower pressure cartridge loading show higher pressure signs than a lower pressure load?
July 20, 2007, 06:18 PM
Somebody has to be wrong.
July 20, 2007, 06:24 PM
Post #2 has it backward, the 7.62x51 is higher pressure than .308Win.
NO, post number 4 has it backwards
308win 62,000 PSI
7.62x51 nato 50,000 PSI
July 20, 2007, 06:27 PM
I have seen this argument go back and forth several times. I know that they are different animals (762x51 vice 308). However, its all about the load.
I know (from many thousands of rounds) that LC Match 762x51 ammo does just fine in commercial rifles chambered in 308 (such as a Tikka or a Rem700). I don't know that I would drop de-linked 762x51 rounds into an expensive shooter, but do evaluate it on a load by load basis.
The reverse seems to be different, since commercial 308 rounds can be loaded to very high pressures (it competes with .30-06 rounds, with their larger cases) and those could damage a 762x51 MILSURP action.
July 20, 2007, 07:03 PM
Why do you use the same reloading dies for 308 and 7.62, if there is dimensional difference in the two rounds?
July 20, 2007, 07:18 PM
Why do you use the same reloading dies for 308 and 7.62, if there is dimensional difference in the two rounds?
The dimensional difference is in the chambers, not the ammo. Also, you cannot directly compare the 50,000psi 7.62x51 pressure rating with the 62,000psi pressure rating of the .308 Winchester, as they were obtained in two entirely different ways. The government did not use SAAMI methods to obtain their pressure rating.
July 20, 2007, 07:25 PM
The government did not use SAAMI methods to obtain their pressure rating.
I would agree with you if we were using the old CUP method of measuring pressure. But both cartridges are expressed in PSI. 50,000 PSI is 50,000 PSI weather it's in a cartridge case or seriously overinflated tires
July 20, 2007, 07:39 PM
May I recommend this thread.
Average Joe
July 20, 2007, 08:52 PM
Yes, I do it all the time in my Remington 700. Its safe to shoot military ammo in a commercial gun, but not safe to shoot commercial ammo in a military gun.
July 20, 2007, 09:40 PM
My Ruger M77 bolt action 308 Win eats 7.62x51 great, and accurately. I've put about 400+ rounds of military ammo through it.
For all intent and purposes they are the same round and a bolt action 308 will shoot 7.62 NATO. End of story.
However, although the dimensions are the same, the case length tolorances are different. This is not going to make a difference for a bolt action. However it may very well make a difference for an M-14--folks tell me that civilian ammo (308) may cause a slam fire in a 7.62 semi-auto. Whether that's true or not I have no idea. But I know a bolt action 308 chambers and fires 7.62 NATO great.
Zak Smith
July 20, 2007, 09:41 PM
I've shot many, many rounds of AUS F4 ball through my AWP with no problems.
July 20, 2007, 10:07 PM
I would agree with you if we were using the old CUP method of measuring pressure. But both cartridges are expressed in PSI. 50,000 PSI is 50,000 PSI weather it's in a cartridge case or seriously overinflated tires
The gov't did use the CUP method, but called it psi. The gov't doesn't have to do things logically, or even make sense, I think we all know that. If you think about it, the .30-06 is pressure rated by SAAMI at 60,000psi. If the 7.62x51 is truly rate at 50,000psi peak pressure using piezo-electric transducers, then it is operating at about 17% LESS pressure than the .30-06 cartridge that it replaced. The .308 is clearly operating ATLEAST at .30-06 pressures, if not slightly above. Have been over this many, many times with guys who insist on believing that the .308 Winchester operates at 12,000psi (24%) above the 7.62x51. It doesn't, and the velocity figures alone tell you that this cannot be.
July 20, 2007, 10:13 PM
YEP! Knock yourself out!! Any .308 Winchester rifle can eat 7.62 NATO all day long -- especially bolt guns. I've got some neat ol' Spanish Mausers from the Guardia Civil. . . . ;)
July 20, 2007, 10:23 PM
I put it through my savage and it shot just fine. Wasnt as accurate but it shot good. I suggest that you look at your ammo before you shoot it, as some mil-surp has obviouse defects. Go ahead and shoot to your hearts content.
July 20, 2007, 10:27 PM
You don't have to worry about it because you ain't gonna find 7.62mm NATO.:neener:
Jim Watson
July 20, 2007, 10:30 PM
Don is right.
I have some old NRA literature, everything in crusher gauges calibrated in psi and the .308 is indeed loaded hotter than 7.62. By 500 psi. One percent. Big fat hairy deal.
The Army is not a SAAMI member, so they can still test by crusher gauge and call it psi. If the chamber pressures were that far apart on the same system, the military ammo would be about like a .300 Savage if not a .30-30.
I'd rather shoot .308 Winchester US commercial in a 7.62 than some of the military reject crap that I've heard about from Venezuela and India in the strongest .308 ever made.
Dave R
July 20, 2007, 11:35 PM
Have shot many rounds of 7.62 NATO surplus through my .308 Remington 700. Feel free.
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You are taking one of the more talented starting pitching staffs the Padres have had in quite awhile to one of the more hitter friendly environments in the minor leagues. Do you think the park's conditions will have any negative affects on the pitchers and how will you evaluate performance?
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June 16, 2009, 02:20 PM
Someone said that in Texas if one has to carry over $10,000 for their job, they are allowed a gun permit. Is this true?
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June 16, 2009, 02:31 PM
In texas you can have one anyway, cant you?
June 16, 2009, 02:32 PM
If you apply for a permit, you are allowed a permit.
June 16, 2009, 02:33 PM
Texas is a Shall Issue state. As long as you can own a firearm, take the class and pay the fee, you can get a concealed permit.
June 16, 2009, 02:50 PM
Texas is a Shall Issue state. As long as you can own a firearm, take the class and pay the fee, you can get a concealed permit "
Texas has attached non payment of Student Loans to the CCW Permit.
If you are not current with payments, you must become so before you will
be allowed a CCW Permit.
June 16, 2009, 02:52 PM
My brother is an instructor in Texas.
If you have $10,000, he can perform the instruction needed for acquiring a permit.:D
June 16, 2009, 03:09 PM
Business Code may still have a provision for that sort of thing. It has some specifics on use of force to prevent loss of property and the like, too. Business Code allows business owners to go armed in their place of business, too.
Not sure if the Transporation Code covers that, though.
Not having a properly unified code can offer a number of challenges in citing things.
June 16, 2009, 03:41 PM
Someone said that in Texas if one has to carry over $10,000 for their job, they are allowed a gun permit. Is this true?
Thats some bogus info.
Issuance of a Texas CHL is not contigent on any particular form of employment, or duties of employment, such as carrying large sums of money. As long as you meet the Texas CHL eligibility criteria, you can get the license.
June 16, 2009, 03:48 PM
I cannot say for Texas, but in ohio, even now with CCW avail a code nicknamed "The Prudent Man Act," the law basically states a Man would be prudent in going armed if carrying large sums of money, jewels etc.... it is still on the books here, but truly gettinga CCW in anywhere except Cleveland in Ohio is fairly easy.
I am not sure if Tex has this same type of law, code, act, rule etc....
June 16, 2009, 04:07 PM
I think that the OP is looking for a way to justify a CHL when he may not otherwise qualify for one (under 21?). Remember that the OP seems to post a new "life or death" encounter every week.
June 16, 2009, 05:53 PM
I have been a CHL holder for 8 years. I am at the ripe age of 39. The problem is that I sent my renewal application 2 weeks after my expiration date. So I have to wait months for a permit.
I had to carry large sum of money over $10,000 today from the restaurant to the bank. I am still waiting for my CHL to come in the mail.
I happen to bank at the bank that got robbed just this week. I recall at least 4 bank robberies the past couple years. And I don't even watch the news. I live in a city where crime is becoming a problem like every city in the country. Just a few weeks ago someone had their car jacked near our restaurant. The Onstar located the vehicle.
I do recall that my father was given a gun permit and gun from a cop 30 years ago. Also my commissioner friend got a gun permit with a gift gun about 20 years ago. I'm not looking for special treatment. Just want to know the law as of now while I'm waiting for my permit.
I think that I'll just email my CHL instructor now and ask him.
June 16, 2009, 06:11 PM
The answer is that you cannot legally carry concealed until to receive your renewed TX CHL, regardless of how much money you are transporting. Likewise, if you lost your CHL card (lost or stolen wallet) you would not be legally allowed to carry until you received your replacement CHL card. This type of issue (long waits for renewed/replacement CHLs in Texas) is why a lot of people also get a non-resident permit from another state, like Utah. By leaving the spare permit at home, you always have a valid permit to carry if the other is lost or expires. (Obviously you would want to make sure to stagger the renewal dates.)
June 16, 2009, 06:16 PM
One good thing about applying late is that I get one extra year for my license because it expires on the 4th birthday and I already passed my birthday. So my first will be in a year.
This pertains to Texas only.
Well, I have some politcal friends and cop friends. So if I really wanted to get one, I probably could.
June 16, 2009, 06:18 PM
I had to carry large sum of money over $10,000 today from the restaurant to the bank.
I can't imagine one restaurant doing 10 K in one day shouldn't you be doing bank drops a little bit more often?
he problem is that I sent my renewal application 2 weeks after my expiration date. So I have to wait months for a permit.
And this is the fault of the state of Texas how?
Remember that the OP seems to post a new "life or death" encounter every week
And I thought I was the only one that n:Dticed that
Well, I have some politcal friends and cop friends. So if I really wanted to get one, I probably could.
Would you like us to all be impressed now?
June 16, 2009, 06:22 PM
I am not blaming Texas. They sent me my renewal paperwork in the mail six months ago. I didn't realize that I had to take a renewal class and wait 2 months for processing until recently. I gladly take the extra year gained for applying after my birthdate.
I own 9 locations, you do the math. If you deposit everyday, you'd still be at $10,000+.
I'm not trying to impress. I'm just saying that I'm law abiding and we donate money to the community. We know the university president on a first name basis, and get personal letters from our US state representative.
I am not trying to be annoying or arrogant. I have worked along side my employees since I was 12 full time. I am really down to earth guy. People in high school thought I was poor. I was one of the few that didn't have a car till I was 26. I am not a flashy guy.
Like I said I sent my email to my CHL instructor and I'm leaving to do my errands. Have a good day.
June 16, 2009, 08:18 PM
I can't imagine one restaurant doing 10 K in one day shouldn't you be doing bank drops a little bit more often?
There are many here in Palm Beach County that do in excess of $10K per day. Most have armored car pick up though.
June 16, 2009, 08:37 PM
Don't know what problem there would be in Cleveland (OH). Anyone from Cleveland can go to an adjacent county (like mine, Medina), make an appointment, and get a CCW license. The City of Cleveland does not call the shots on a CCW license, nor does the County of Cuyahoga, since they can be "bypassed" at the adjoining counties, should they give the applicant a problem. Ohio is basically a shall issuse state to qualifying applicants, AFAIK.
June 16, 2009, 11:29 PM
You can either get a CCW or apply for the lethal weapons cerification which does not cover concealed carry. Having a certain amount of money on you does not allow you any more privelege than any other swinging Richard in this world.
Somebody is pulling your leg, watch it doesn break off after that long of a pull.
June 16, 2009, 11:40 PM
Well, I have some politcal friends and cop friends. So if I really wanted to get one, I probably could.
Good luck with that. Some local yokel mayor or cop doesnt have any more pull with TX DPS than anybody else. You could be Governor Perry's best friend, and it still wouldnt matter.
June 17, 2009, 12:01 AM
Are you saying that my father was given a fake permit and gun from the police and my commissioner friend was given a fake permit and gun from the police too. Wow. I saw on court TV , a woman in fear for her life was given a gun permit by detectives. Did the police commit a crime in front of the television camera. Wow.
I feel like Spencer Pratt in I'm a Celebrity. Get me out of here. LOL.
June 17, 2009, 12:16 AM
I don't know anything about Texas, (except its beautiful of course.....) but here in Maryland there are issues about acquiring that can be based on money and deposits. I have a card from FL that gives me a lot of reciprocity in the states that I carry cash in, (I have a mobile vending business, we sell racing tires at race tracks) but I don't yet have a MD permit in my own state. I am eligible for one since I own a corporation licensed here, and have a small storefront address as well. My cash deposits are normally only a couple of grand at a time, but because our credit card and check deposits can sometime exceed ten grand in a weekend, the police are willing to issue me.
The goofy thing is that if another person, like a restaurant or theatre manager, made deposits that are way, way larger than mine, they still can NOT get the permit here, unless they OWN the company.
Obviously I am lucky that I fall within the guideline and will take full advantage of it, but it seems unfair to everyone else that lives here. There are employees of other companies around me, that handle WAY MORE CASH than I do, but can't get licensed. Doesn't seem right.
I know that someone reading this may chime in and say, "well, yes, if they represent the owner in deposit and banking with that kind of money their employer can sign off and get them a card," which is technically true, but the liablity and legal responsibilty of the carry, and any subsequent discharge, transfers directly and squarely back to the shoulders of the owner who signed off on that, so in practice, no one does it that way. Unless your employer is an armored truck service, the chance of him signing off on your getting a card here as an employee is like, nill.
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June 17, 2009, 12:27 AM
I'd recommend getting a permit through standard channels and avoid carrying the ten large around whenever possible.
June 17, 2009, 12:54 AM
Are you saying that my father was given a fake permit and gun from the police and my commissioner friend was given a fake permit and gun from the police too.
What the heck are you talking about? Yes, I am saying that they're fake. Texas state law has no provisions for issuance of concealed handgun licenses by local jurisdictions, so the sort of "permit" you're talking about would be legally invalid. The law is the law, CHL's are issued by Texas DPS. A local law enforcement agency does not have the authority to issue a concealed handgun license. Nor would any police department just give away firearms to civilians willy-nilly.
Way back in the day, it was fairly common for a county sheriff to deputize their friends/family, often for no other reason than to allow them to carry firearms. However that is not a realistic option nowadays, as Texas Peace Officers (including appointed deputies and reserve officers) have been required to attend a police academy and become TCLEOSE licensed. Thats been in effect since the mid-1980's.
June 17, 2009, 12:17 PM
Aside from this armed security guards even take a week long course (lethal weapons certification), go through a psych exam, a background check, etc.
Police who work for local depts. require a local police academy which usually last 3 months, and has all of the prerequisite pysch exams, and background checks beforehand.
These certs were brought on by former criminals in the past who were made into police, and the few with long mental health histories who were hired by police departments at one time.
Major trouble like this caused massive change in the system. Heck even a certain dept of corrections changed its system many years ago when it was common place for relatives of employees to get hired on that premise alone. The top of the cake was a long time employee who wrote about his threats to other people, then one day after work shot his "multiple wives" and children, then himself.
June 17, 2009, 06:41 PM
I'm not sure what point your making. There was 20 20 or 60 minutes about what your are taking about. One of my friends failed the physical. Another the mental. But his brother became one. Another one became a cop. I was told that one day will not be enough training for chl. And the cop in our class complained how much hours of training required annually. That is why I've already taken three CHL and read 4+ books and go online. Each instructor is like a new class. I still don't want to be in any situation. Innocent people are in jail for defending their life.
I'm sure I could call my father to repeat the story, but he is in his late 70's and hard to talk to. Also, I may just have to call my friend to repeat the story to me. Because I don't know who to believe right now, my distant memory or the LEO.
My main concern is the type of people we've hired in the past. I have seen many criminal records. Otherwise, I wouldn't be even getting a CHL.
Funny, thing that you mentioned that ex criminals have become police officers. Because in 2 of my CHL classes, I saw 1 or 2 students that didn't look eligible for CHL.
June 18, 2009, 12:04 AM
Keep in mind these sweeping changes occured during the early to mid eighties for most police departments, and other LE communities followed in the late eighties.
A 2nd class township can hire almost anyone as a policeman, these people just have to pass a background check, etc. These departments dont supply side arms, uniforms, etc. But at the same time most are in areas with all state roads, if they receive a call to respond to, they have to wait outside until the local state trooper shows up on location.
1st class townships require the 3 month academy preferrably beforehand, most prefer prior military service, and prefer college in the LE subject. They also require a year of training with another experienced officer before going out on their own. Plus many have a 6 month probationary period on their own after training.
June 19, 2009, 01:49 AM
Ohio requires any firearm carrying security or police officer to complete the Ohio Peace Officers firearm training requirement to be allowed to carry a weapon. In the case of a concealed carry permit for individuals, you can either complete the course, supply proof of course completion to the local sheriff's office (or any adjoining county sheriff) and fill out the application, if you pass the background checks, you get the permit. They also have an emergency ccw permit for people who need one immediately (usually for domestic violence victims) that a sheriff can issue immediately without the training requirement, but you also have to have a filed protection order in place to qualify for it. And it only lasts like 90 days, the time they consider sufficient to complete training and apply for a regular CCW permit. I know the Ohio Peace Officer training requirement is still in place, as our former police chief didn't have the certification, and couldn't carry a firearm on duty, he also lacked arrest powers as a result of that. Pretty bad when your chief has to call a beat cop to arrest a bad guy.
We used to have the special deputy procedure as well for people to have the right to carry, which made no sense to me anyway, as we also have open carry laws on the books, then and now, so having a badge didn't give you any more right to carry openly than any other law aiding citizen.
June 19, 2009, 09:34 PM
The commissioner's son said that his father was given one because people hated his politics in the Houston area. Sounds like what you are saying.
We had a retired cop in our CHL class. He has to take CHL class regardless of his experience.
I was advised to send my application certified mail. I didn't get a return confirmation. I'm a bit worried.
June 19, 2009, 11:14 PM
PA the application takes anywhere from a few days to 2 weeks. It asks for your reason, protection or hunting. Regardless of your reason the background check must be passed.
The law says you must pass the checks to be granted, plus your references must be contacted and verified before any permit/license can be issued or approved.
A friend applied because of a "hit" being put out on him, he was turned down the next morning because of a past "possession of a small amount of Mary-jane" conviction. The sheriff can turn you down to carry for any minor criminal record, its their choice.
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June 20, 2009, 01:06 PM
The thread is about Texas law, and not about brothers-in-law and anecdotes from other states.
I know of nothing in Texas law as to "guns'n'money". There have been some court decisions which held that there was justification in carrying a handgun on one's person between one's place of business and a bank's night depository.
Current Texas law says that having a handgun in one's car is legal, even without a CHL. I'm guessing that the safest way to be legal would be a two-person deal: The one in the car has the gun, while the other drops the money-bag into the night depository.
SFAIK, right now, DPS is still overloaded with a high volume of CHL applications.
June 21, 2009, 11:21 AM
I do recall that my father was given a gun permit and gun from a cop 30 years ago. Also my commissioner friend got a gun permit with a gift gun about 20 years ago. I'm not looking for special treatment. Just want to know the law as of now while I'm waiting for my permit.
Not in Texas. There was no such thing as a "gun permit" 30 or even twenty years ago.
June 21, 2009, 11:42 AM
Might want to be prepared for a LONG wait. I think new permits are running 3-4 months currently. The news had a story on the backlog last week. Permit requests in TX have been going up faster than they can hire people to process them. They also contracted out the production of the ID's and the processor had a crappy laminating machine that required multiple attempts to get one passable ID. They may have fixed that since.
There was a backlog when I got mine a year or so ago (had one previously in AL). Took a little over three months.
For what it's worth, I believe Texas law gives them a maximum of two months to process a permit.
June 21, 2009, 12:50 PM
I was reading about Texas and CHL, they can deny you for many things.
Here are a few..
"A number of factors may make you ineligible to obtain a license, such as: felony convictions and some misdemeanor, including charges that resulted in probation or deferred adjudication, pending criminal charges, chemical or alcohol dependency, certain types of psychological diagnoses, protective or restraining orders, or defaults on taxes, governmental fees, student loans or child support."
As far as 30 years ago a CHL, no, in fact there wasnt a CCL, CHL, CWP, CWL, available to anyone (it was illegal, people open carried) around 1986 some states started making them available.
I used to know many who open carried before that.
June 22, 2009, 06:42 AM
There was, and is, no legal open carry in Texas in public.
June 22, 2009, 10:32 AM
I am a current CCW holder and carry in TX.
Before I got the permit and even now, the protection that the Castle Law
provides is something I believe everyone should acquaint them selves with so that they know just what options they have. I would suggest googling it as there are many resources available on this issue.
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Lol@ Matt.. " nas says shit no one understands like jay z does" thank you nas for not saying 'rack city rack rack city'...nas is a legend...that's it that's all... Peace
He's an addict for sneakers, 20's of buddah and b!tches with beepers. Peace to Burn Rubber Detroit.
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The Blue Collars were 10x better, but these are still really really nice. Both of them get plenty of time in my rotation.
U ain't a real sneaker head unless u have a couple pair of NewBs in da closet. Best MC alive... and I do mean MC, theirs a difference
Respect to the best rapper ever for wearing something other than nikes or jordans. Seems to be all celebrities are wearing now a days
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best rapper alive? LOL yeah right , that was a funny joke. Nas has a few good songs, 1 classic album, other than that he sucks and just says a buncha dumb ish that nobody understands like jay z said but people just think cuz its some over your head "what the F are u talking about ish" that hes "nice" ... F outta here ... F you NiMe and F nas too lol ... oh yeah and this shoe SUCKS
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