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As students return to school in 2013-14, school cafeterias across America will be entering their second year of serving healthier USDA school lunches based on updated nutrition standards that feature whole grains, low-fat milk, more fruit, and a healthier mix of vegetables. They will begin implementing new breakfast standards that similarly improve the nutritional quality of breakfasts.
Besides USDA meals, most U.S. schools also sell other foods and beverages, often referred to as "competitive foods" because they compete with the USDA meal for student purchases. Competitive foods include à la carte cafeteria items like pizza, french fries, and ice cream, as well as vending items or foods sold at snack bars, school stores, or other locations. By the 2014-15 school year, competitive foods will be subject to new nutritional standards, too.
Together these new standards are aimed at creating a healthier school nutrition environment, but these changes do come with challenges. While school foodservice operations are nonprofit, they are generally expected to balance their budgets, and changes in lunch and breakfast standards may increase food and labor costs. And, to succeed in improving children's diets, meals must not only be healthful but also appealing so that healthy foods are eaten, not wasted. The new standards for competitive foods raise concerns about the lost revenues from potentially smaller sales of competitive foods.
Nutrition standards for meals served through USDA's National School Lunch Program (NSLP) and School Breakfast Program (SBP) were updated in January 2012 to be consistent with the Federal Dietary Guidelines for Americans. New meals feature more servings of fruits and vegetables; offer a healthy variety of vegetables, including dark green and red/orange vegetables (like tomatoes, carrots, and sweet potatoes); contain more whole grains; and limit milk to low-fat milk and fat-free options (see "Highlights of New Standards for School Lunches and Breakfasts"). To address the potentially higher costs of these new standards, USDA provides an additional 6 cents per lunch served to schools meeting the standards. (For school year 2013-14, USDA will pay schools $2.93 per lunch served free and $2.53 per lunch served at a reduced price to low-income students and $0.28 for full-price lunches.)
To better understand the potential effect of new standards on lunch costs, a 2012 ERS study analyzed data from the two most recent nationally representative surveys of school meal programs. The School Nutrition Dietary Assessment Data III (SNDA-III) provides information on the nutritional content of the lunch items offered to students in 2005, and the School Lunch and Breakfast Cost Study II (SLBCS-II) provides data on food costs by food type in the 2005-06 school year. Although new standards were not in place, some schools were already offering meals that incorporated elements of the standards, making it possible to compare food costs of schools serving more of such healthy items as dark green vegetables with food costs of schools not meeting the standards.
Overall, food costs averaged $1.04 per lunch in 2005. The estimated food costs of offering school lunches that met the combined 2011 proposed standards for dark green vegetables, orange vegetables, other non-starchy vegetables (green beans, iceberg lettuce, etc.), lowfat/fat-free milk, and fruit averaged 8.5 cents more per meal in 2005 dollars when other factors that could affect food costs (for example, school location or whether a school offers à la carte items) were taken into account. (Nonfood costs associated with new meal standards, such as labor, were not assessed, although they may also be affected.) The main source of the higher food cost was offering a healthier mix of vegetables, which by itself raised costs 9.4 cents per meal. On the other hand, offering meals in line with the new calorie standard (a maximum and minimum calorie level) lowered food costs by 8.8 cents per meal.
The final standards differ somewhat from proposed standards--most notably, red and orange vegetables are combined as a vegetable subgroup. Also, the new standards may have created incentives for food companies to offer some healthy items at more competitive prices. Thus, costs in 2013 to meet the new standards may differ from study results.
Along with concerns about cost, some question whether children will eat the increased servings of fruit and vegetables, especially the nutrient-dense dark green and red/orange vegetables and legumes (dried beans and peas) emphasized in the new standards. A recent ERS study examined student acceptance of nutritious NSLP foods using data from the SNDA-III that document what foods were offered to students as part of school meals and also what foods they actually ate. Even though the data were collected in 2005, before the adoption of new standards, some schools were already offering fruits and vegetables in amounts and varieties that would become required in 2012. In the ERS study, food intake data for a sample of 1,442 students who ate school lunches in 242 schools were matched by date to lunch menu records for the same day to examine whether students who were offered more fruits and vegetables actually ate them. Intakes of fruit, total vegetables, dark green vegetables, red/orange vegetables, legumes, and other nonstarchy vegetables were examined.
After controlling for a number of student and school foodservice characteristics, serving more fruits and a healthier mix of vegetables did increase students' vegetable consumption significantly, although average amounts consumed were still small. For example, in schools that offered more orange vegetables, students ate 0.03 cups of them at lunch on average, significantly higher than the 0.01 cup eaten by students in other schools but still very low.
The major reason the difference in average consumption is small is that many students did not eat the healthier options at all. More students in schools that offered vegetables in amounts consistent with new standards ate at least one kind of vegetable, 81 percent, compared with 70 percent in other schools. In both groups, the majority of students ate at least some amount of red/orange vegetables, a group that includes tomato and tomato products, a popular choice. The majority did not eat any dark green and orange vegetables or legumes, although more students in the schools meeting requirements did eat some of those foods. Available alternatives mattered—students at schools that had no à la carte options, or only healthy à la carte options, had higher intakes of dark green vegetables.
For the students who did eat these foods, the healthier menus boosted intake significantly. Among those who consumed dark green vegetables, for example, mean consumption was about one-quarter of a cup. In contrast, a previous ERS analysis estimated that in 2003-04, Americans age 2-19 consumed only 0.04 cups of dark green vegetables daily, from all sources. These results suggest that the new meal standards likely have already improved the diets of some students. To fully realize these benefits, however, more students will need to eat these healthy foods.
The field of behavioral economics marshals experimental psychology and economic research to demonstrate how individuals make choices—with results that can be applied to improving acceptance of healthy school meals. Key to influencing behavior is the way that choices are presented. In a rushed, distraction-filled environment such as a school cafeteria line, choices that are more convenient and attention getting are more likely to be selected, and simple "nudges" can pay dividends.
A series of experiments have tested the application of these ideas to school meal choices, identifying effective, low-cost strategies for improving nutrition. ERS-funded researchers at Cornell University's Center for Behavioral Economics in Child Nutrition Programs converted one high school lunch line into an express line that offered only healthy options, resulting in a 21-percent increase in the purchase of healthy items. In several elementary schools, the researchers tested the effect of giving attractive or fun names, such as "X-ray Vision Carrots," to vegetables and found children were more likely to select and eat those foods. Yale University researchers found that a simple verbal cue—asking students "Would you like fruit with your lunch?"—increased fruit selection and consumption.
A related project at the Cornell Center developed a group of "smarter lunchroom" strategies that increase the convenience and attractiveness of the fruits and vegetables offered through the school meal program, while also providing promotional nudges to encourage healthy choices. For example, salads were served in see-through to-go containers, while fresh fruit was displayed in tiered stands on the cafeteria line and also placed in a basket near the cash register with a sign "Last Chance for Fruit," prompting students who had not taken fruit before. When the "smarter lunchroom" strategies were implemented in a middle and high school, students ate significantly more fruits and nonstarchy vegetables (starchy vegetables include potatoes, corn, etc.). In 2012, USDA's Healthier U.S. School Challenge incorporated "smarter lunchroom" guidelines into its criteria for school foodservice excellence.
Competitive foods that schools sell in addition to USDA school meals are currently little regulated and are frequently high-calorie, low-nutrient options. Most competitive foods are sold in vending machines and as à la carte items in the cafeteria line, but they may be sold in other locations such as a school store. Some child health advocates argue that the presence of these competitive foods undermines efforts to promote a healthier school environment.
In addition to updated standards for school meals, the Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act of 2010 required that schools that offer the USDA school meals only sell other foods that meet nutrition standards based on the Dietary Guidelines for Americans. In June 2013, USDA's Food and Nutrition Service issued nutrition standards that limit the calorie, fat, sodium, and sugar content of competitive foods. The standards also require that the foods offer positive nutritional value, in terms of one of the basic MyPlate food groups or an important, underconsumed nutrient such as calcium. Standards for competitive beverages limit calories, sugars, and fat (see box, "Changes Are Coming to Competitive Foods").
Standards apply to all foods and beverages sold outside the school meals programs on school campuses at any time during the school day, with exemptions for occasional school-sponsored fundraisers. In many schools, booster clubs and other groups sell competitive foods in vending machines or as fundraisers to fund school activities. Although competitive food standards will apply to these groups, the legislation allows them to sell foods that do not meet standards on a limited number of occasions. Schools will have until the beginning of the 2014-15 school year to implement the new standards.
SNDA-III data indicate that in 2005, 40 percent of students ate at least one competitive food item on a typical school day. ERS researchers found that secondary (middle and high) school students were much larger consumers of these foods. One-third of elementary students consumed at least one competitive food on a typical school day in 2005, whereas 53 percent of secondary students did. Secondary students also consumed twice as many competitive items as did elementary students. The most popular items were desserts, sweetened beverages, salty snacks, pizza and other entrees, and candy.
Some school foodservices are reportedly dependent on competitive food revenues and are concerned about potential revenue declines following implementation of nutrition standards. To assess the types of foodservice operations most likely to be concerned about implementation of standards, ERS researchers examined characteristics associated with higher competitive food revenues at the school level and also at the school food authority (SFA, the foodservice management unit for the school district) level. For this study, ERS researchers again used the SNDA-III data, along with the 2002-03 School Food Authority Characteristics Study (SFACS)—surveys that contain the most recent available nationally representative data on competitive food offerings, student selections, and school foodservice revenues.
Competitive food revenues were considerably higher in secondary schools than in elementary schools, which is not surprising since secondary-level students eat more competitive foods than do younger students. Average annual competitive revenues for elementary schools were just under $8,000 for 2005; revenues were six times greater for middle schools and nine times greater for high schools. Schools with high competitive food revenues served fewer NSLP meals, had fewer students receiving free or reduced-price meals, and were less likely to offer the School Breakfast Program.
SFAs reported obtaining, on average, 12 percent of revenues from competitive foods in 2002-03, a period in which there were few nutritional restrictions on competitive foods. The share of revenues from competitive foods was below average for the majority (54 percent) of SFAs because revenues were skewed. Ten percent of SFAs received 36 percent or more of their revenues from competitive foods, due both to higher competitive food revenues and lower revenues from USDA school meals.
When separated into quartiles based on the share of total revenue obtained from competitive foods, SFAs with higher shares of competitive food revenue typically were located in more affluent districts and served fewer low-income students receiving free and reduced-price meals than did schools with low competitive food revenues. They also were more common in suburban, rather than urban or rural, districts and in the Northeast, Mid-Atlantic, and Midwest regions of the United States, as compared with the Southeast, Mountain, Southwest, and Western regions.
Competitive food standards could encourage manufacturers to adapt existing products—for example, by packaging juices to meet serving size requirements—and to develop new products. Or SFAs could choose to re-emphasize their "core business" by expanding participation in school meals. In California, some school districts that eliminated or drastically limited competitive foods launched efforts to improve school meal participation that offset revenue losses from competitive foods.
Since many children—especially low-income students who qualify for free or reduced-price meals—eat half their daily intake at school, the potential benefits from improved school meals and healthier competitive foods on school campuses could be considerable. Unfortunately, it appears too many children are not eating some of the most healthful foods in their school meals. Balancing nutrition, acceptance, and cost in school foodservice operations is a major challenge. Innovation by the food industry to develop and promote appealing, affordable, and healthier cafeteria fare may make the task easier. Behavioral economics studies suggest that, with a little nudging, kids are more likely to try healthier foods. Eliminating less nutritious competitive foods could also encourage children to eat the new, healthier meals.
1Schools have until the beginning of the 2014-15 school year to implement the standards.
2The nutrient criterion can be used to qualify a food for sale as a competitive item only until June 30, 2016.
3As of July 1, 2016, no more than 200 milligrams of sodium per item.
"The Food Costs of Healthier School Lunches", by Constance Newman, Agricultural and Resource Economics Review, 2012, 41(1), pp. 12-28, April 2012
Fruit and Vegetable Consumption by School Lunch Participants: Implications for the Success of New Nutrition Standards, by Constance Newman, USDA, Economic Research Service, August 2013
Nutrition Standards for Competitive Foods in Schools: Implications for Foodservice Revenues, by Joanne Guthrie, Constance Newman, Katherine Ralston, Mark Prell, and Michael Ollinger, USDA, Economic Research Service, June 2013
"Smarter Lunchrooms Can Address New School Lunch Guidelines and Childhood Obesity", by Andrew S. Hanks, David R. Just, and Brian Wansink, The Journal of Pediatrics; 4, pp. 867-869, 2013
"When Nudging in the Lunch Line Might Be a Good Thing," Amber Waves, by Lisa Mancino and Joanne Guthrie, USDA, Economic Research Service, March 2009
"The Influence of a Verbal Prompt on School Lunch Fruit Consumption: A Pilot Study", by Marlene B. Schwartz, International Journal of Behavioral Nutrition and Physical Activity, 4:6 doi:10.1186/1479-5868-4-6, March 2009
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The true measure of worth for the players that line up on the interior of Alabama's three-man defensive front cannot be identified looking at individual statistics.
Case in point, nose tackles Josh Chapman and Nick Gentry combined for 46 tackles, nine-and-a-half tackle tackles for loss and five-and-a-half sacks last season.
While those numbers are solid, they do not illustrate how both players were able to consistently control the line of scrimmage and enable the linebackers and defensive backs to play downhill.
Charged with having to replace the departed pair of seniors, Nick Saban took a starter from his deep and experienced group of defensive ends and moved him inside.
Jesse Williams—who started all 13 games at defensive end last season—will slide over to nose tackle and give the Tide a powerful force that offenses will have their hands full dealing with.
But the real question becomes who will step up to provide depth behind him?
Sophomore Brandon Ivory and redshirt freshman Wilson Love both made progress in the spring, plus Saban will get his first look at four defensive line signees that could end up at defensive tackle.
In this latest look at individual segments on the Tide's roster, the spotlight falls on the under-appreciated heroes of its stifling defense—the nose tackles.

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BOLIVIA—According to the Brunswick County community, providing a safe environment for students and staff is the most important quality the next superintendent of Brunswick County Schools must possess.
A survey facilitated by the North Carolina School Boards Association garnered 651 responses—355 from the community and 296 from staff members.
"You had excellent response to your surveys," Kathy Boyd, senior staff attorney with the North Carolina School Boards Association (NCSBA) told the board of education Tuesday afternoon.
The Brunswick County Board of Education has settled a lawsuit filed by the family who claim their child was molested by a former custodian.
Board attorney Kathleen Tanner Kennedy announced the board settled the lawsuit filed by David and Melinda Cooper for $80,000—$75,000 from board of education funds and $5,000 from the North Carolina School Boards Trust (NCSBT).
By DEUCE NIVEN
Tabor-Loris Tribune
TABOR CITY—It's over.
State Sen. R.C. Soles Jr., North Carolina's longest serving lawmaker ever, will not seek re-election in 2010.
His decision, announced today, ends an unprecedented era in North Carolina politics. First elected to the N.C. House in 1968, Soles will have served in the legislature for 42 years when the next session of the General Assembly ends, a little less than a year from now.
Police have charged four more suspects in the Dec. 12 armed robbery of Hardee's on Main Street.
On Dec. 23, police arrested Gettie Levon Bellamy III, 19, of 3266 Brinkley Road, Longs, S.C., the suspected gunman, and charged him with robbery with a dangerous weapon and conspiracy to commit robbery with a dangerous weapon, both felonies. He was taken to the Brunswick County Detention Center.
CAROLINA SHORES—Mayor Stephen Selby said a closed commissioners' meeting to discuss town personnel policy Dec. 10 was justified because it related to an EEOC grievance filed by a town employee.
Selby, town administrator Linda Herncane and town clerk Lisa Anglin said at a Dec. 30 interview with the Beacon they were not at liberty to discuss the grievance or who filed it.
CAROLINA SHORES—2010 may be the year for the town to address at length its stormwater issues.
At their first monthly meeting of the year this Thursday, town commissioners are to discuss hiring professionals to help solve stormwater problems.
The town's stormwater system and its accompanying issues also dominate the list of a proposed board retreat for March 9 and 10, in addition to paving projects.
The driver of the fatal wreck that killed two West Brunswick High School students last spring has been indicted by a grand jury.
Joseph Moreno, 17, of Supply, was indicted Dec. 14 on two counts of felony involuntary manslaughter.
Moreno was initially charged in June after being served with a warrant, which was taken out by the Highway Patrol, Sarah Garner, assistant district attorney, said.
All felony charges are handled in Superior Court and have to go through the grand jury first.
Comedian Bobby Collins entertains a crowd at Odell Williamson Auditorium Saturday night during the second annual Stand Up for Charity event, sponsored by the Shallotte Junior Woman's Club. Collins, a Grammy-nominated comedian, has starred in his own special on Showtime, as well as opening for Cher, Dolly Parton and Julio Iglesias.
BOLIVIA—A Brunswick County Grand Jury has indicted two drivers involved in two separate wrecks with second-degree murder and driving while impaired.
On Dec. 14, a grand jury returned true bills of indictment on David Kent Beasley, 32, of 1902 Perry Ave., Wilmington, for felony second-degree murder and driving while impaired.
True bills were also returned Dec. 14 on Joshua Donald Wilson, 24, of 2530 Big Neck Road, Ash, for felony second-degree murder and driving while impaired.
Brunswick County residents aren't used to bundling up every morning, scraping their car windshields or covering their plants at night, but that's what they're going to be doing for the next week or 10 days.
An Arctic high-pressure system centered in the Great Plains doesn't seem to be going anywhere soon and is resulting in well-below-average temperatures here in the Southeast. Forecasters are predicting snow or rain/snow mix Thursday night or Friday morning, but no accumulation is expected.
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In-store TV clearance, buy it off the wall sale. YMMV
Our area Walmart's are selling their TV's off the wall, so they are marked down & state there is NO box, so this is B&M and a bit YMMV. If u have the room in your vehicle u can carry it out of the store.
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Thursday, June 5, 2014
Balakrishnan Pillai, a 2012 Academic Magnet graduate, was recently awarded the Undergraduate Award in Organic Chemistry by Clemson University. Balu, an Honors College student at Clemson, is the first sophomore to have this honor bestowed as it has traditionally been given only to seniors. Balu plans to follow his parents, Dr. Bhanu Pillai and Dr. Ranjini Pillai, into the field of medicine. Balu attended Whitesides Elementary and Laing Middle School.
Nicholas S. Sottile, a 2012 Wando graduate, was elected to lead the South Carolina College Democrats for the next year as its president. Nicholas started in politics by canvassing for Mayor Joe Riley in 2002 and he has continued to work on local, state and national campaigns. Nicholas attended Whitesides Elementary and Laing Middles School.
Atley Hammond has been selected to serve as a summer intern for United States Senator Tim Scott at his Charleston office. Atley was also inducted into the Alpha Chi National College Honor Society at Charleston Southern University this spring. Atley was a 2011 graduate of Palmetto Christian Academy and is currently a junior at Charleston Southern University. Atley is the son of Mr. and Mrs. Michael and Charlotte Hammond and the grandson of Mr. and Mrs. Ed and Adalia Rhodes, all of Mount Pleasant.
Alexander Krakuszeski graduates at Brenau University
Alexander Joseph Krakuszeski from Charleston, South Carolina, graduated from Brenau University with a Master of Business Administration during the 135th anniversary commencement ceremonies.
Founded in 1878, Brenau University enrolls students in graduate and undergraduate studies on campuses and online. The Gainesville, Georgia-based liberal arts institution, which includes the residential Brenau Women's College, also operates campuses in Augusta, Kings Bay, Norcross and Fairburn.
Laura Evans graduates from Brevard College
Laura Evans of Mount Pleasant graduated from Brevard College in Brevard, North Carolina during its 161st commencement ceremony on Saturday, May 3. Evans earned a bachelor's degree in Environmental Studies. Evans was also named to the Dean's List for the spring semester.
Coastal Carolina University honors spring 2014 graduation candidates
Coastal Carolina University's spring commencement ceremony was held at Brooks Stadium on May 10, with some 1,081 candidates for undergraduate and graduate degrees. U.S. Poet Laureate Natasha Trethewey, the commencement speaker, urged the class of 2014 to embrace the responsibility their education has given them, to pursue the truth and to cultivate a sense of historical awareness and civic duty.
Trethewey received the honorary degree of Doctor of Humane Letters at the ceremony.
Seven students received the President's Award for Academic Achievement, which recognizes students with the highest cumulative grade point averages. The following recipients of the award all had perfect 4.0 grade point averages, graduating summa cum laude: Chelsey M. Beese of Green Bay, Wisconsin, with a dual bachelor's degree in applied mathematics and marine science; Emily K. Bernard of Myrtle Beach with a degree in accounting; Richard D. Floyd Jr. of Murrells Inlet, with a degree in applied physics; Tonya M. Hewitt of Conway with a degree in elementary education; Jessie N. Rowan of Mullins, with a degree in elementary education; Aaron J. Smith of Conway, with a dual degree in computer science and applied mathematics; and Matthew C. Tyler of Loris, with a degree in history.
Among the candidates for graduation were:
John Karle, of Charleston, South Carolina, graduated with a Bachelor of Science in Recreation and Sport Management.
Rose Williams, of Mount Pleasant, South Carolina, graduated Magna Cum Laude with a Bachelor of Arts in Art Studio.
Houston of Mount Pleasant uses spring break to help family in Dominican
Jessica Ariana Houston of Mount Pleasant served in the Dominican Republic over spring break with the Clemson Connections group.
Houston is a sophomore majoring in English at Clemson University.
Clemson Connections is a minority mentor program housed in the Gantt Center for Student Life.
The group sent 11 undergraduate and three graduate students to Los Parcelos just outside of Santo Domingo in the Dominican Republic. They spent their time building a home for a family in need.
Local residents inducted into Phi Kappa Phi
The following local residents recently were initiated into the Honor Society of Phi Kappa Phi, the nation's oldest and most selective collegiate honor society for all academic disciplines:
Zachary Mills of Charleston initiated at College of Charleston
Nicholas Rainey of Charleston initiated at The Citadel
Sorinel Oprisan of Mount Pleasant initiated at College of Charleston
Ana Oprisan of Mount Pleasant initiated at College of Charleston
JeanMarc Ault-Riche of Mount Pleasant initiated at College of Charleston
Erik Fender of Mount Pleasant initiated at The Citadel
Paul Martin of Mount Pleasant initiated at The Citadel
Katie Hurley of Mount Pleasant initiated at The Citadel
Sam Stribling of Mount Pleasant initiated at The Citadel
Jeffrey Scheerer of Mount Pleasant initiated at The Citadel
Anna Chandler Rennison of Mount Pleasant initiated at The Citadel
Jeremy Murphy of Mount Pleasant initiated at The Citadel
Michelle Jenkins of Mount Pleasant initiated at The Citadel
Victoria Musheff of Mount Pleasant initiated at The Citadel
Brent Murray of Mount Pleasant initiated at The Citadel
Chelsea McCaskill of Mount Pleasant graduates from UNL
Chelsea Erin McCaskill of Mount Pleasant was among more than 2,900 students who received degrees from the University of Nebraska-Lincoln in ceremonies May 9-10.
McCaskill received a Bachelor of Music with distinction from the College of Fine and Performing Arts.
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Welcome to wiichat man.
Regarding your question, I think Nintendo are trying their best to provide as many shipments as possible, but the demand still appears to be high. Just be patient and keep searching and you will eventually find one. Goodluck.
hello, i decided to include my question in with my intro thread:
it's june 16, and resident evil 4 wii edition is coming near, and my local gamecrazy's havent been getting wii's! I want one, and sort of need one, cuz my gamecube broke down.
Sooooo..., i asked them when can i be expecting a shipment of wii's, and they say dont know/ no clue.
Is the shipment of wii this unpredictable? If not, when can i expect a wii?
Welcome to wiichat man.
Regarding your question, I think Nintendo are trying their best to provide as many shipments as possible, but the demand still appears to be high. Just be patient and keep searching and you will eventually find one. Goodluck.
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thanks for the welcome!
and i guess i'll just wait a little longer...
hopefully by July they'll have one cuz its my bday ^_^
gtg gotta do my finals o___o
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hey, welcome here! hopefully they get them in soon for ya'
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Welcome to wiichat and enjoy your stay! Try looking at other stores such target, walmart, bestbuy etc. I reccomend calling the store first before you go there too.
Wii games that I own: Zelda, The godfather, Wii sports, Resident Evil 4.
Next up: Metroid Prime 3 Corruption
Just do what I did. Walk into Wal-Mart and be like "Oh look they have Wii's" Then buy one. Dont even look. Just do it.
helloandwelcometotheboards. firstofallitisveryhardtopredictwhentherewillbeanyw iisinstock,youhavetojustcallandaskonaregualrbasis. whereilive, theshipmentscomeonmondayandfridaysoicalledeachofth osedaystoaskiftheygotanyintheshipmentthatmorning.
(Hello and welcome to the boards. first of all, it is very hard to predict when there will be any wiis in stock, you have to just call and ask on a regualr basis. there i live, the shipments come on monday and friday so i called each of those days to ask if they got any in the shipment that morning.)
wow thnx for all the welcomes!11 =D
ima try calling tomorow, june 19th when RE4WE comes out X)
the only bad thing about the game is, i have to do the mercenaries and pro mode all over again! X(
too bad the wii edition can't read gamecube memory cards, like how FE Goddess of Dawn can read RE PoR, sux =\
btw If i cant get one at gamecrazy by next week, i'll try walmart, which is fairly far away...
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STARS active on Prairies | Half the helicopter service's missions are farm accidents
BRANDON — Half of the STARS helicopter ambulance missions on the Prairies are farm accidents.
The other half are highway or industrial accidents, many of which involve farm families, says Troy Pauls, a flight paramedic with Manitoba STARS.
"STARS doesn't serve urban centres. We're based in Winnipeg, but we operate exclusively in rural areas, so it's natural that many of the highway and industrial accidents we attend involve farmers and their families," Pauls said. "The farm missions we fly involve falls from high structures, people caught in machinery and tractor accidents. These are all serious accidents. We're airborne within eight minutes from the time we receive a call, and we're compliant with that criteria 100 percent of the time."
Pauls said the STARS helicopter typically reaches an accident site in less than half the time it takes a ground ambulance to reach the site. The times are even better in more remote areas that are further from a ground ambulance or that don't have direct road connections.
"We always try to land right at the accident site. We can get into some pretty tight spaces," he said.
"Even in forests and wooded areas, we find places to land our helicopters. If we can't land right at the accident site, rural fire departments and first responders often direct us to a good spot close to the site."
STARS (Shock Trauma Air Rescue Society) is a non-profit organization founded to bring helicopter ambulance services to rural areas. Funding comes from corporate and private donations, provincial and municipal grants and fundraising activities.
It operates six helicopter ambulances on the Prairies, based in Grand Prairie, Alta., Edmonton, Calgary, Saskatoon, Regina and Winnipeg, although the Manitoba operation has been suspended by the province after safety and training concerns were raised.
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Which Big bore Revolver for hunting?
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> Which Big bore Revolver for hunting?
September 6, 2007, 10:39 PM
I want a big bore revolver for hunting. Which is most versitle? My dad Has a .44 mag But I was thinking of .454 casull or the .460 anyone have any input?
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September 6, 2007, 10:46 PM
If your going behond the .44 mag I would take a hard look at the .460
You can shoot .454 Casull as well as .45 Long Colt through that chambering, as well as the .460 of course.
These are X frame (large) guns however and different in handling than those available in .44 Mag. It comes down mostly to a matter of personal taste and what you plan on hunting, and in what conditions.
September 6, 2007, 10:54 PM
Mostly I will Hunt whitetail and Hogs and maybe someday Black bear
September 6, 2007, 10:55 PM
If your going behond the .44 mag I would take a hard look at the .460
Excellent advice.
44 mag works for me and the hunting I do. I've never felt under-gunned hunting deer with either a .44 mag or .41 mag.
The .460 will probably give you more range over the .44. That, along with the ability to shoot .454 and .45, would be my reason to purchase a "bigger" handgun than the .44.
September 6, 2007, 11:01 PM
Mostly I will Hunt whitetail and Hogs and maybe someday Black bear
September 6, 2007, 11:04 PM
I will add my voice to the S&W 460 too for all the above listed reasons.
I'll add... fires a big bore projectile faster than any other pistol. The .460 Magnum is even faster than the .500 Magnum.
September 6, 2007, 11:12 PM
All you really need is a 44mag...but more power and a heavier bullet is nice.
I own a Super Redhawk in 480 Ruger. It's a great cartridge. The recoil and muzzle blast is a lot less than the 454, but it's got a bit more oomph than a 44mag.
There's something to be said about a 400 gr 0.475" diameter bullet too.
The 480's heavier bullets will penetrate more than the 454's and the gun won't beat you to death.
Having said that, the 480 isn't for everyone. It's really a reloader's cartridge. There are only a few factory loads for it. Also, you don't really need 4 feet of penetration to kill a deer. :uhoh:
The most versatile is the 454. You can shoot 45 long colts, there's tons of different factory ammo, and components are cheaper if you reload.
I wouldn't consider the 460 S&W...it's just too much gun and if you're going to shoot mainly 45LC or 454 then you may as well save money and get a 454.
I personally think people are too caught up in velocity.
You can kill an animal pretty d4mn dead with a slow (if you call 400gr@1300fps slow) fat bullet. More velocity is just more noise and flash.
My advice:
If you're not recoil shy then get the 454.
If you don't have a lot of experience then get the 454 and load it with 45 LC.
If you reload and want something unique that performs the same or better on game than the 454 without the recoil and blast then get the 480.
September 6, 2007, 11:13 PM
If your going behond the .44 mag I would take a hard look at the .460
Great Advice
September 6, 2007, 11:16 PM
When I was younger, if my Dad had a 44 mag, I'd probably get a 41 mag. I sort of like the underdog calibers. The 32 mag intrigues me, but I don't have one. Have a SRH 480 Ruger and it does everything I want a gun to do when I need something larger than a 41 mag.
If I wanted to make 200 yd shots with a handgun, I'd buy a Contender. That is one of the reasons I have the 480 Ruger, plus I like that fact that it shoots a big diameter slug (larger than 460 mag) and can be loaded with much heavier bullets. The 480 is my whitetail handgun which I use as the primary gun on hunts. I leave the rifle at home usually these days. Plently of power for black bear or hogs. The recoil on the 480 is about all I want although I find that the Smith X frames are fine and tolerable (from a recoil standpoint) platforms for the 460 and 500 mags.
If it were me TODAY and I didn't want a 41 mag, I'd get a 500 S&W for the same reasons that I like the 480 Ruger. It is just a bit more. Mostly un-needed for the most part, but more. The problem I hear about the 500's is they wear barrels out quickly. I'll stick with the 480 Ruger. Just wish Smith would build a revolver in that caliber.
September 7, 2007, 12:02 AM
I would look at A .45 ACP and get it bored out to 45 Roland. Its A very flexible handgun and you could use it for many range games in .45 ACP.
Snapping Twig
September 7, 2007, 12:13 AM
.44 mag is plenty. I have a .454, but I carry the .44 mostly since it's smaller, I train with it more, I reload for it so I'm getting more out of it than factory rounds and it's double action if you need it.
The .460 is inordinately heavy, do you want to pack that around all day? You may, if so it's the best selection since it will shoot all the different variations of the .45.
The Casull is beyond a doubt the best made pistol in the group, but single action and heavy recoil.
Get a nice .44 and reload for it - done deal.
September 7, 2007, 12:42 AM
Use the .44 for deer and hogs. Get a .500 for black bear. Seriously! :eek:
September 7, 2007, 01:23 AM
44mag is plenty for anything you mentioned.I had a 44 and sold it,great shooter,bought a 454 casull and my hand hated it,I could not hit the broad side of a barn so it was not for me,Bought another 44mag and now I am back to hitting what I am aiming at.I can only think the 460 is a great gun but when it comes to cost and recoil I will stay with the 44.IMO.Just remember it used to be one of the most powerful.
September 7, 2007, 01:29 AM
Gah, the .460 is absurdly heavy, expensive relative to the Rugers, and that compensator is great if you want to be Captain McBlasty.
Get a .44 mag or a .45 Colt. If you want double action look check out a Super Redhawk, or the Blackhawk (http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=460&return=Y)and Bisley (http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=447&return=Y)in single action.
For platform, I personally would recommend the Bisley. The Bisley grip frame is particularly recoil friendly, and even the 7.5'' barrel version comes in at 48.5 oz. For comparison, the 5'' .460 Smith is 62.5 oz, and the 8'' is 72.5 oz. The Ruger single actions can be found for around $500, often less.
Caliber? My favorite is the .45 Colt. The .45 Colt in the Rugers will do anything a .44 mag will, and at lower pressures. If you handload, then the possibilities are vast. As for factory ammo, the popularity of cowboy action shooting has made plinking rounds a regularly stocked item at most gun shops, and mail order specialty ammo means high performance loads are also readily available. Best bang for the buck in the high performance stuff is DoubleTap's .45 Colt +p line (http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/index.php?cPath=21_38). The 255 grain loads are a great deer and hog round. I'd say go up to the 335 grain for bear (perhaps for hogs as well if you're going after really big hogs). But if the recoil is too much the 255 grain will take black bear as well.
And no, you don't even remotely need a .500.
September 7, 2007, 01:52 AM
.44 mag.
Heck for some smaller game, the .44 Special is plenty fine.
I've piddled with .454 and Ruger .480 and they have their place, no doubt, and it depends on locale and size of critter.
I've piddled with .41, but if were going to have 2 big bore guns for handgun hunting, one for sure would be a .44 mag, and the other a .45Colt.
Just fuddy-duddy me, and I have not spent that much time with the .45Colt, just too many folks have too much good luck and enjoy the whole experience.
Heck most gun shops got some kind of .44 mag load in stock...
September 7, 2007, 02:20 AM
I wouldn't consider the 460 S&W...it's just too much gun and if you're going to shoot mainly 45LC or 454 then you may as well save money and get a 454. I personally think people are too caught up in velocity.
I have to disagree with your statement. I'll agree that wanting high velocities just for the sake of speed is silly but high velocities are an asset in a hunting round. Most who hunt with a big bore revolver do so to challenge themselves. Many will hunt with good glass at distances further than most non-hunters would consider shooting a handgun. When firing a heavy projectile at distance you want that projectile to have lethal velocity when it reaches it's target. IMO, that's why high velocities are important in a hunting handgun.
September 7, 2007, 06:29 AM
I noticed that DoubleTap has a 320gr WFN normal SAAMI spec'd .44 Magnum... I would think that would do for nearly anything here in the lower 48. I cannot think of anything more appropriate for hunting with a handgun than my iron-sighted 6" half-lug 629 - with any of the widely available .44 Magnum ammo.
Don't get me wrong, when I decided I needed a .45 Colt DA revolver - and couldn't find a Redhawk - I settled for a then-new .454 SRH (7.5"). I shot the stew out of it over the years... thousands of .45 Colts, .45 Colt-ish loads in .454 cases, and hundreds of 'real' .454's. I stupidly traded it away - my favorite Ruger. The 5.5" .45 RH I eventually got would eclipse it with my wimpy-moderate .45 Colts - my 625MG's did better, so the RH left too. I miss that SRH - even to the point of looking at another new one! The grip made it easier on the mitt to shoot hot than most .44's with milder loads. Scoped - from smoked/burnt sandbags - with hot .454's - that SRH would put five in 1.6" at 50yd - pretty good - especially for me.
I found my 'milder replacement' - a new 6" h-l 629 with .500 Magnum grips. Fun as a plinker now, too. It is not likely I will ever stomp the woods of Alabama hunting again - the tree-stand seated snipers pop away at anything that moves.
In the conceptual hunting considerations, I must admit I got interested in the Ruger .480 too late. You folks with a .480 SRH enjoy them... Ruger axed all of their namesake caliber offerings this year. My 'dream' for a woods stomping protection - a 4" .480 SRH - will remain a dream, I suppose. I did try to find a .480 Alaskan when the first - and only - batch was out - to no avail. My .45 Colt 625MGs will have to 'do'.
September 7, 2007, 06:36 AM
In the cosmic scheme of things, a .45 Colt is better for .45 Colt revolvers! Also, while T/C single shots are fine single shots... this forum is on 'revolvers'. My .454 SRH made horrible groups with my usual 200gr LRNFP @750 to 255gr @ 900 fps .45 Colt fare. My 4.6" BHG Vaquero grouped better at 25 yd. My 4" 625MG was even better - and, later, my 5.5" .45 RH was nearly as good as the MG. The rifling rate was the key. The .454 SRH - and even more so with a .460 S&W - has a slow twist rate, favoring high speed round - like a rifle. The original PC .460's were to have a gain-twist variable rate for even more velocity. A relatively 'slow' .45 Colt, like the hunter's favored 300+gr WFN, won't do as well as it would from a 'closer' designed twist rate (RH, S&W - within limits).
We all play the "But, it will also chamber x, y, & z!" game. I did it two years ago. Tired of my 'dainty' finished blued 24's in .44 Special, I said goodbye to my 6.5" 24-3 and Heritage 24 - and bought a SS 6" .44 Magnum - a new 629. It see's .44 Russians, Specials, and, after cleaning, Magnums - all from 700-1,000 fps - within it's abilities. (Most .44 Magnum rounds are under 1400 fps, so no big problem.). I have fun... a proper chamber matching my desired caliber would be best, sure... but the .460 round was initially designed for 2,600 fps (It had to be derated as the barrels tended to unscrew!). Still, a huge difference in size & mass between a 4" 625MG or 5.5" RH and a .460. That 6" 629 looks better...
September 7, 2007, 12:57 PM
Many will hunt with good glass at distances further than most non-hunters would consider shooting a handgun. When firing a heavy projectile at distance you want that projectile to have lethal velocity when it reaches it's target. IMO, that's why high velocities are important in a hunting handgun.
The 460 has its place, but true long range handgun hunters are few and far between.
If someone is asking about what caliber to get then they probably aren't highly experienced. Why not suggest a more packable platform in a caliber that's more user friendly?
If you only shot 45LC in a 460 then you wouldn't get good accuracy, that's something else you need in a hunting handgun.
If you really do shoot at distances requiring those velocities then go for the 460.
I just think people don't realize what they and their "normal" magnum caliber guns can do with a little bit of practice.
September 7, 2007, 01:22 PM
Unless you're just hung up on revolvers for hunting, get a Contender. My go to hunting handgun is in .30-30 Winchester. I handload a 150 grain Nosler BT to about 2100 fps.
Vern Humphrey
September 7, 2007, 04:58 PM
A hot-loaded Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt is about all the gun most people can handle. You don't get any practical benefit from going to bigger, faster, more poweful cartridges. A 300 grain cast bullet at 12-1300 fps will sail through the biggest black bear that ever lived, and kill the second-biggest standing behind him.
September 7, 2007, 06:32 PM
some good advice......some food for thought. I've always been a believer in to each their own. If you are serious about hunting medium and large game with a handgun only, a .460 is a viable and effective solution. If you just want a backup piece to carry on your belt while carrying your long gun than a .357 or .44 or anything in between will suffice. Try and find one to shoot.....you'll be pleasantly surprised. Those here making comments about recoil have probably never shot one. My 14 year old son has been shooting mine for two years...regularly.....and he has done so accurately. I've shot and hunted with a .357 for years and the .460 brings handgun hunting to a new level. It aint for everyone, but then, that's one reason I like mine.
September 7, 2007, 06:41 PM
I like the .480 Ruger. That's myhttp://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/ShaunsXe/twocents.gif
September 7, 2007, 09:56 PM
I take all manner of game with the SRH in .454. I use a Burris 2x scope. The gun is not too heavy or too big to carry. My major complaint about the 500/460 S&W magnums is their size and weight. I'd say that .44 mag up to the 454 is plenty sufficient. My main reason for the 454 is trajectory, very flat. I've taken some pretty long shots on good sized game.
September 8, 2007, 12:05 AM
I have a 454 super redhawk, and it is not for everyone, and I would not feel undergunned in a black bear confrontation. This being said , I would recommend that you try various revolvers and get the feel for them if you can.
Most people who shoot my 454 with 320 grain hardcast leads that go 1600 fps only shoot it once. I notice alot of locked arm positions, that transfers the shock up the arm all the way to the shoulders.
I use an isosceles/crouching stance and have never had problems rapping off rounds repeatedly.
The 44Mag will do the job, I don't have one, but I have seen an angry elk dropped with just 2 shots. Shot placement is key , so get what you can handle and practice with it when ever time allows.
That is my advice, please don't take it as gospel, I am just a man.
jack the toad
September 8, 2007, 08:35 AM
Currently owning both a S&W 4" 500 and 4" 629, my major complaint with the 500 is that the 4" only comes with a comp and Smith doesn't offer a blank compensator like with the 460.
I don't care for any type muzzle brake on a handgun especially for hunting because it's not practical for me to wear hearing protection then.
September 11, 2007, 02:15 AM
When my wife and I take a trip, with our little Boston Terrier, I take a car . . . not a bus.
When I have to kill a fly I don't grab a baseball bat.
When I am charged a dollar for an item I don't pay ten.
And when I'm hunting whitetail and hogs I don't need a heavy, mega-sized handgun . . . a .44 magnum does incredibly well, thank you.
My goal is to pack light and I hate toting heavy guns and scopes in the woods. My 6" barreled Model 29 w/Holosight is relatively light . . . and the massive 300 grain, hardcast bullet really thumps deer and hogs and "plants" 'em right where they are hit if you do your job correctly!
I've owned and hunted with a Contender. No thanks. My Model 29 allows me to take accurate shots at any distance practical.
Are the .500 and .460 rounds "overkill?" No really . . . for you cannot "overkill" anything. Once they are dead . . . they are dead!;)
Naah, I don't need the expense of a bus, nor the expense of a bigger cartridge either . . . for the .44mag is plenty gun for the job!
September 12, 2007, 11:08 AM
<<Are the .500 and .460 rounds "overkill?" No really . . . for you cannot "overkill" anything. Once they are dead . . . they are dead!>>
S & W fan,
I overlike that statement you made. Yes .Its an ambiguous term.
Doing the reverse. What is underkill, then?
<<My goal is to pack light and I hate toting heavy guns and scopes in the woods. My 6" barreled Model 29 w/Holosight is relatively light .>>
I, myself, overlike my handguns on thee .relatively heavy side, generally speaking, in ambiguous terms that is.
I have to use heavier bullets in my 29, to make up for those weight deficiencies.
September 12, 2007, 04:39 PM
Take the 454 Casull. Properly loaded, it offers more punch at 100 yards than what the 44 mag. does at 15 feet and the trajectory at 200 yards is as good as the 44 mag. at 100 yards. NO - I'm not putting down the 44 mag. as it is still my all time favorite handgun pistol cartridge. Each one has it's own place and usage in the game fields....
September 12, 2007, 10:04 PM
D&T I picked up one of those today. I haven't had a chance to go to the range yet, but as soon as I can get the rings and the scope mounted I'll be heading out. Question, How do you carry yours in the field? Belt holster or Bandalera? Also do you reload or use factory?
Big Boomer
September 13, 2007, 04:53 PM
Although, I own a pc 12" in 460 I am not 100% sold on the smiths. There is really no need for the double action and the cost is quite high.
I have been thinking about a 500 and have decided on a Magnum Research BFR. These are around 800 or less and you can even get the longer barrel without paying the big bucks. They are built like a tank similar to Ruger in single action and seem to be worth the bucks.
The longer cylinder will allow you to play with seating depth and heavier bullets to get lower pressures.
I heard a rumor that frames are actually made by Ruger (can anyone confirm?)
pay them a visit, many places do not stock them but they can order them as I found out.
I'm sold on the 500 with the 10" barrel.
September 13, 2007, 06:20 PM
The shorter frames were just Ruger SBH - with lots of care in fitting. The longer frames, like the .45-70 and .45/.410 chamberings, may be made elsewhere. The MR BFR's are nearly as nicely fitted together as FA's - but all list at $999 MSRP. That $800 is little more than dealer cost - and would be an excellent price for any new one. The barrels are custom, as are the usually 5-shot cylinders. The screws are generally hex head (Allen head). The lockwork is smoothed, too... just a lot of TLC - certainly not a 'bare bones Ruger'. While functional, I don't care for the rubber grips - wood stocks, etc, are extra. They don't cut weight, either.
Several years ago, they dropped their only .45 Colt-only chambered variants - admittedly made by D-Max, a company they absorbed some time earlier. A closeout dealer had them for $449 - a super deal. My local pusher had one forever - until the day before I went to buy it! It really was nice - and, if my SS Bisley BH was worth the $390 I paid for it, that BFR .45 was clearly worth it's original MSRP of $900+. Look at one at a gunshow - or a really well-stocked dealer - any caliber.
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September 13, 2007, 07:40 PM
September 14, 2007, 12:02 AM
my choice would be the larger new Ruger Revolvers. the Ruger line of revolvers is way over-built and will take a beating for a few life-times. most revolver manufacturers recommend that you shoot lower power ammo in them and accassionally use the magnum loads, example - A .357 should be shot mostly with .38 specials, they just arent built to last, theyre built for pretty. -Eric
September 14, 2007, 12:25 AM
A Ruger Redhawk is an ideal revolver for hunting. A .44 Magnum load that is handloaded can be downloaded for plinking and target duty and with just a little tweaking can be a small handheld cannon right on the edge of controllability for most people. Under 50-75 yards, the .44 Magnum properly loaded can put down most if not all North American game.
If you buy ammo look at Buffalo Bore ammunition. Some of their ammunition is loaded just for Ruger Redhawks or Super Redhawks due to their having longer cylinders than most revolvers. Due to the rounds OAL being longer, they can push more velocity from the same round with similar pressures.
LAK Supply
September 14, 2007, 12:30 AM
The .460 is a sweet setup.... but the X frames are freakin' HUGE!!!
I like the 45/454/460 thing, but even the Trail Boss X frame is too big to wanna pack around much. A 44 mag loaded with hot stuff (I second the DT ammo recommendation seen earlier in the thread) is more than adequate for most anything, and the frames are still a manageable size.
If you're strictly hunting get the 460..... you'll be using a longer barrel and likely a scope so you'll be out of holster range anyway. If you want to pack it in a holster you'll thank yourself for staying in the N frame range.
I can't comment on the Super Redhawks since I don't own one...... How do they compare to the N or X frame Smiths? I'd be curious to know.... if they're smaller than the X frame and available in something in 4-5" I might just have to pick one up for myself.....
September 14, 2007, 04:21 AM
I can't comment on the Super Redhawks since I don't own one...... How do they compare to the N or X frame Smiths? I'd be curious to know.... if they're smaller than the X frame and available in something in 4-5" I might just have to pick one up for myself.....
Much lighter than the X frames. 7.5'' Super Red is 53 oz. But, the 7.5'' is as short as it comes (aside from the giant snubby Alaskan version). Pretty easy to have it cut down though. They can still be had under 700 new. Spend a couple hundred to have that barrel cut, and it'll weigh about the same as an N frame but will take loads that'll turn an N frame into a hand grenade.
September 14, 2007, 04:49 AM
With proper shot placement, you can kill a deer, hog or bear with a 38 Special. If you miss, a 375 H&H won't do the job. A lot of guys have trouble dealing with the blast and recoil of hot 44mag loads, much less 460-500. A large-frame 357 is fun to shoot and adequate. 45 Colt is fun to shoot and adequate. I use 10mm revolvers, which are fun to shoot and adequate.
ryan b
September 15, 2007, 02:02 AM
my 2 cents if you cant stop it with a 44 mag it needs to have a stock on it
Vern Humphrey
September 15, 2007, 04:35 PM
Amen -- a hot loaded .45 Colt of a .44 Mag is about all the average man can shoot well. I don't deny there are some men who can shoot the .460, .454, 500 S&W and so on -- but I bet a lot of guys who buy those revolvers never put a full box of shells through them.
September 15, 2007, 11:55 PM
I have a ruger SRH in 454 and I absulutly love it ! I started handloading so that I can aford to practice with it ! the more I shoot it the better I like it !If you are limeted to factory rounds then I would get the SRH in 44 mag because you need to practice to get to be competant enough to take game !.44 mag costs about 22-24 dollars per 50 rounds 454 starts at around 22dollars for 20 rounds ! If you handload go with the 454 ! The 250 to 260 grain bullets are cremepuffs in the SRH!!
September 21, 2007, 11:17 PM
Well, first off, I handload.... SO, with that out of the way, here's my reasoning...
I began hunting whitetail with a handgun about 12 years ago with a 6" S&W 686 (iron sights only) loaded with 180gr. Hardcast or 180gr XTPs over a max load of H-4227. I knew that I was toting the smallest legal caliber for my state (WI) then (though now the laws have eased up on this a great deal), but the performance I witnessed on game was nothing less than outstanding. I guess I made sure to take only good shots that I knew were within my ability and I never had an animal move more than a few yards after it was hit. Also, over the years, I have posted my stories on the 'Net from many of these hunts.
Then around 1998/1999 or so, I caught "10mm fever" and bought (2) G-20s, (1) G-29, a 6.5" 610 classic Hunter, and a 4" 610. I hunted with the 6.5" and found it to be a wonderful platform. Then, after returning from a deployment in 2003, I began to consolidate my collection down to only those pieces I actually shot regularly. In the end, I kept one version of 10mm (the G-20), a 4" and 6" version of my .357s (both 686-4) as well as a few others (a pair of 642s, a G19, etc.)...
Anyway...then the seller's remorse set in.
So, I bought and sold a few more...and also began taking a serious interest in the .41 mag (& picked up a 6" S&W 57-2). My rationale was similar to what I thought about the 610 - basically, I saw both of these as having all the power I needed in a platform (S&W DA revolver) that had served me so well over the years. Also, I had owned a 629 "Classic Hunter" at one time that needed timing work sooner than I would have liked it to (thus, I sold it after it was fixed), and I had also seen a few of my pals' other .44 mag N-frame guns begin to show their age after a few thousand stout 240+gr. hunting loads (yes, a few THOUSAND - they shot steel plates weekly). Since I really preferred the feel and action of the S&W guns, I figured that the .41 mag was the way to go if I wanted to maximize (a) power over my .357, (b) the long-term durability of the firearm (in this case, an N-frame S&W).
Further, I figured that if I honestly thought I were ever in a situation where I needed "more gun" than what a .41 mag offered, I would necessarily also think I needed more than a .44 mag too. While the .44 (.430) does hold a slight edge in raw HP over the .41, I just didn't feel that this marginal increase in energy was significant enough to justify owning a .44 AND a .41 since I could not think of any task that a .44 mag could accomplish that my .41 could not. In the end, I decided to stick with the .41 mag and .357 mag in revolvers and keep the 10mm confined to my autos. I guess if I ever do feel I need "more handgun" than my .41, I'd probably step up to the .454 Casull in a SRH as I view it a "real" gain...but, that said; I really don't think I'll ever actually take that plunge. Most likely, if I were confronted with such a situation I'd just choose to tote a 12ga. Rem 870 + slugs as a primary weapon and keep my 4" .41 mag on my hip.
Thus, I guess the .41 mag is, to me, a "44 mag-like caliber" that will allow my N-frames to keep on ticking longer than they might if few a steady diet of equally-maximized (HOT) .44 mags. I think the .41 mag does everything I'd want either caliber to do...and after all, the job I now have my .41 mag assigned to (whitetail hunting) is one I used to use a .357 mag to accomplish with good results anyway.
- My .02... YMMV.
September 22, 2007, 02:52 AM
I apologize for taking so long to respond...
I carry mine in an Uncle Mike's cross draw shoulder holster and I only shoot handloads. My main load for deer is SPEER's 260 gr. JHP load at just over 1,800fps.. With the muzzle brake on this one, recoil is more comfortable than a 44 mag. shooting a 240 gr. bullet, which allows for a lot of practice in the off season....
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In order to encourage research and writing effort among university students in the area of automotive history, the Society in 2008 will confer its annual award for the best student paper in the auto history field. Persons submitting papers must be enrolled at educational institutions (upper-class undergraduate or graduate level) at the time of submission. This competition is international in scope, but papers must be in the English language. Papers already published or scheduled for publication will not be accepted.
Manuscripts should not exceed 10,000 words, and should be double-spaced. An abstract is requested. Submissions should emphasize in-depth research, with adequate citations of the sources utilized. Originality of ideas is important. Diagrams, graphs, or photographs may be included. Submissions may be electronic in Word 1997-2003 format only to the e-mail address below, or if mailed hard copy, five copies to the mailing address below.
Possible subjects include but are not limited to historical aspects of automobile companies and their leaders, regulation of the auto industry, financial and economic aspects of the industry, the social effects of the automobile, highway development, environmental matters, and automotive marketing, design, engineering and safety.
Submissions will be judged using the criteria of research, organization, writing style and documentation. A cover letter should be included stating the student's address, school, program, advisor, and stage in studies. The student should indicate how the paper submitted will relate to his or her professional future. Submissions must be postmarked by June 10, 2008. All papers submitted will be acknowledged.
The winning paper will be published in the Society's Automotive History Review. The winner will be notified in late August, 2008. The award will consist of a plaque and a cash prize of $500.00.


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I love it when you call me Bunny-Nose.
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an often drunken sign of affection in which the cold tip of one's nose is placed on the warm facial cheek region of another.
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Cleveland Jr. cannot go trick-or-treating on Halloween because his father thinks he is too old; when Junior reinvents himself as a "cool kid," he gets picked on and becomes unhappy with his new persona.Writer: Aseem Batra
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Woody Harrelson Will Play an Evil Human in the Next Planet of the Apes Movie
Called the "Colonel."By E. Alex Jung
Called the "Colonel."By E. Alex Jung
See Charlton Dance.By Eliot Glazer
So ape-y!By Margaret Lyons
'Rise' due in June 2011.By Josh Duboff
Now it's on to the next level of meat-and-potatoes action directors.By Claude Brodesser-Akner
Fox is passionate about pushing forward an origin story telling just how the apes got so smart.By Claude Brodesser-Akner
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Directed by Chris Butler and Sam Fell
Starring: Kodi Smit-McPhee, Anna Kendrick, Christopher Mintz-Plasse
Rated PG-13 for scary action and images, thematic elements and some rude humor and language
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Norman Babcock sees dead people.
As the title portmanteau of ParaNorman — the second feature from Pacific Northwest animation house Laika — suggests, he is mostly cool with that. After all, the kid wakes up to a groaning zombie alarm clock every morning, and pretends to foam at the mouth while brushing his teeth. He obviously has no issues interacting with the spirit realm.
Besides, unlike the living, the spooks don't judge him. A drama geek with an electro-shock hairdo who is prone to vivid hallucinations that cause reality to strip away like rapidly peeling paint, Norman is an easy target for bullying. His school locker is defamed so often he keeps a bottle of cleaner inside it to wash away the daily reminders that he is a "FREAK." Things aren't much better at home, where his dad wonders aloud how he raised such a strange boy. The only flesh-and-blood human who understands him — aside from Neil, the resident freckly fat kid at his middle school — is his estranged uncle, a schizophrenic hobo who insists Norman is the only person capable of stopping the town of Blithe Hollow from incurring the wrath of a witch's curse.
All that probably sounds familiar — if not from the countless other movies about misfits in search of redemption, then from the first Laika picture, 2009's Coraline. In that film, a young outcast with absentee parents also traversed between worlds and learned lessons about growing up, and what it really means to "fit in."
Comparisons between the two are inevitable, so let's compare. Is ParaNorman as good as its predecessor? No, it's not. It doesn't have the depth of imagination, nor the emotional pull. Although it contains moments of impressive visual pow — it's animated in remarkable stop-motion — it doesn't match the barrage of sheer awe that made Coraline such a wondrous experience. And while Coraline was based on a popular Neil Gaiman book, ParaNorman, an original story from Chris Butler, feels more like something that's come before. It is, in fact, a celebration of things that have come before. Directors Butler and Chris Fell are clearly channeling their own childhoods here: The movie starts off with Norman enthralled by a cheap pan-and-scan zombie flick, complete with a throbbing synth score and visible boom mic. His bedroom walls are plastered with images of various nasties cut out from magazines. Heck, the ringtone on his cell phone is "Tubular Bells." ParaNorman is a pastiche valentine to the horror genre, which makes it endearing, but not necessarily unique.
As long as we're measuring the films against each other, though, let it be said: ParaNorman is a lot more fun. With Norman setting out to save his city from a horde of colonial zombies, the movie becomes a supernatural caper not far removed from the mold of an old Scooby Doo episode; eventually, Norman and his motley gang of reluctant cohorts — which comes to include Neil and his jock brother, Norman's bubbleheaded sister and a breakdancing bully — end up driving around in a van that looks suspiciously similar to the Mystery Machine. The action is bolstered by the cast's standout voice work. Kodi Smit-McPhee imbues Norman with great empathy. Jeff Garlin is hilarious as Norman's raspy exasperated father. And scrawny Christopher Mintz-Plasse, as Alvin the bully, somehow conveys the insecurity of a doughy lunkhead even though, in real life, he was more likely the one who spent high school getting shoved into lockers.
It is also much funnier. For all of Coraline's gothic beauty, it never induced much laughter (which tends to happen in movies involving ghost children with buttons sewn over their eyeballs). But a streak of sly, subversive humor charges Butler's screenplay. It takes jabs at trigger-happy police officers and inverts the horror film dynamic, depicting the frightened citizenry as the true bloodsuckers. At one point early on, Norman walks into his kitchen. "What are you watching in there?" asks his father. "Sex and violence," he replies.


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At 27 years old, she's really showing her age.
That's how Anastasia Mosquito Control District staff describe the 1980s-era airboat that invisibly protects Ponte Vedra residents from the hordes of salt marsh mosquitoes waiting to hatch.
"We have to baby it," said Mike Smith, a biological technician. "This old girl has paid itself off 10 times over. It's time to put her out to pasture."
A 27-year-old would-be robber who met his Waterloo in a cup on convenience store coffee pleaded guilty this week to numerous charges.
Alan Everett Squire of St. Augustine pleaded guilty to attempted robbery, battery and criminal mischief charges and was sentenced to 10 years in prison, according to State Attorney spokeswoman Klare Ly.
A home builder that at one time constructed homes in more than a dozen St. Johns County and Jacksonville communities is pulling out.
Melbourne-based Mercedes Homes has announced on its website that it intends to "wind down and conclude business operations."
Calls to the builder's corporate and local offices were not returned Wednesday. Neither were requests for comment through its corporate website.
One of St. Augustine Beach's focal points is getting a life extension as workers repair the 26-year-old structure.
The St. Augustine Beach pier could last up to 10 years more thanks to concrete repairs and other improvements, St. Johns County Director of Construction Mike Rubin said Tuesday.
He said that was just a "guesstimate" based on the better-than-expected condition of the concrete and rebar that workers are repairing.
"It wasn't nearly as bad as we anticipated," Rubin said. "The (concrete areas) they have repaired look brand new now."
A suspect charged in the death of 58-year-old Myrtle McKinney pleaded guilty Monday Barbara Jean Mundy, 43, pleaded guilt to a felony charge, accessory after the fact to first degree murder and was sentenced Monday.Circuit Judge Carlos Mendoza sentenced Mundy to about three years in jail followed by five years of probation, according to a State's Attorney news release.Mundy testified truthfully against her codefendants, the release stated.Two of her codefendants, Quritus Trelane Lowe II and Gytonia Jean Cheek were both found guilty of murder, robbery and burglary charges aft
PUTNAM COUNTY —Two parents were charged with aggravated child abuse and child neglect after investigators found 1-year-old twins bound in their crib and with multiple bruises.
Kaitlynn and Michael Turner, the children's biological parents, were in the Putnam County Jail on $15,016 bond each, according to a Putnam County Sheriff's Office news release.
One of the twins was found facedown with his hands tied behind is back. The other was found on his back with his legs tied, according to the release.
The City of St. Augustine is considering adding flagpoles back to the Bridge of Lions, possibly reopening a debate quelled by the bridge's rehabilitation.
Before the reconstruction began in February 2005, the city had fought — and lost — the battle to keep flags from gay rights groups off the bridge, according to The St. Augustine Record archives.
Courts have since declared the bridge a public forum, and that may mean the city can't control what flags fly there or limit the flags to government entities only.
Click here to see a slideshow of civil right protests in St. Augustine in 1964
St. Augustine officials not sure why Andrew Young crossing is pitting
The City of St. Augustine is trying to figure out what is causing pitting in a new civil rights memorial downtown and how to fix it.
The Andrew Jackson Young Jr. crossing was unveiled in the Plaza de la Constitution in June.
The City of St. Augustine's Visitor Information Center grounds soon could feature at least one new monument: a statue depicting the nation's first black general.
St. Augustine Mayor Joe Boles said the city has accepted an offer from the North Miami-based Haitian-American Historical Society to supply a statue of Jorge Biassou.
"Colin Powell was not the first black general," society Chairman Daniel Fils-Aime said. "That was Jorge Biassou, the Haitian general put in by the Spanish. He was in charge of 4,000 soldiers in St. Augustine."
Publix has maintained its position as a major grocer here largely because it has a culture that revolves around customer service, and other businesses can prosper by doing the same, a spokesman told a group of businessmen on Wednesday.
"We love all of our customers," said Dwaine Stevens, community relations manager for the Jacksonville division. "Some of them are just a little harder to love than others."
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As most (all?) of you know, Chris Brogan identifies 3 words to focus his efforts on for the year. I hadn't intended to do one for myself but after pondering it this weekend I decided the act of defining a set of words to use as my guide throughout the year would help me keep focus on the important things. And what busy person couldn't benefit from a bit more focus?
So here are my 3 words for 2011:
- Serve – This one has several meanings. For me as an individual it means keeping focus on my priorities – personal relationships, family, health and career. It means making sure I leave work early enough to work out 3 times a week – no matter what, and taking 30 minutes each morning to read the blogs and news on my "daily reads" list. For me as a manager and leader it means clearing roadblocks for others and helping them see when the roadblock is within their control – even when it's within themselves.
- Connect – Attend local meetups, seek out Philly-area people in my field and comment more on blogs and forums – even when I'm busy. All too often I use the "I was too busy" excuse but really, it's all about committing to what's important. And what's important doesn't change just because "I'm busy".
- Prioritize – I'm cheating a bit with this one because I started this at the end of last year. This is all about recognizing what's important and seeing it through, and the converse of admitting when something isn't as important and letting it go (or letting it go for now). That last part is a real challenge for me – I pride myself in being able to "do it all" but that often translates to doing lots of things but not doing any of them as well as I could (or as well as they deserve).
Tomorrow when I get in the office I'm putting these 3 words on my wall for all to see. "Busy" is a constant theme in my life (and probably yours, too) but these are important and I want to give them the emphasis they deserve.
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A woman involved in a shooting that left a 23-year-old man dead in Dover was charged yesterday with unlawful possession of a weapon and hindering apprehension, authorities said.
The woman, Jade Ransom, 20, of Morristown remained in the Morris County Jail in lieu of $300,000 bail in the Sunday night shooting, authorities said.
Jose Rodriguez of Dover was fatally shot during a scuffle for a gun, authorities said. Police did not file murder charges against Ransom, and it was unclear whether she was injured.
Ransom told authorities she did not know Rodriguez, who she said approached her from behind while she walked on East Blackwell Street near El Jaroche restaurant before 10:30 p.m.
Rodriguez attacked her and wielded the gun, she told authorities. A struggle for the weapon followed, Ransom said, and the gun went off. Rodriguez was pronounced dead at the scene, authorities said.
Ransom's mother, Simone Evans of Allentown, Pa., said her daughter told her the same information yesterday in a phone conversation from police headquarters.
Ransom also told her mother the gun was Rodriguez's and that she did not know the man.
The weapon was identified as a revolver, authorities said.
Ransom, who has lived in Morristown for a few months with her grandmother, fled after the shooting and was later found by police, who charged her yesterday afternoon.
Morris County Prosecutor Robert Bianchi declined to discuss specifics of the case, saying the matter remains under investigation.
"Anybody with information about any prior relationship or encounter involving the two and her whereabouts Sunday is asked to call our office," he said, noting investigators with the prosecutor's major crimes unit can be reached at (973) 285-6200.


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A suspect has turned himself in after two Valencia College students were shot last week.
Cortez Glover was charged with attempted first-degree murder and booked in the Orange County jail.
Investigators said Glover shot Vincent Cruz, 20, and Antwon Ollins, 19 outside the Campus Crossings apartments near the University of Central Florida.
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PROVIDENCE, R.I. — Four-year-old Gavyn Boscio loves to cook and asked for an Easy-Bake Oven for Christmas. But when his big sister went to buy one, she discovered to her disappointment that it comes only in girly pink and purple, with girls — and only girls — on the box and in the commercials.
So the eighth-grader from Garfield, N.J., started an online petition asking Pawtucket, R.I.-based Hasbro to make the toy ovens in gender-neutral colors and feature boys on the package.
By Friday, 13-year-old McKenna Pope's petition had garnered more than 30,000 signatures in a little more than a week.
In a video McKenna made to accompany her petition on Change.org, Gavyn whips up a batch of cookies and tells his sister he wants a dinosaur and an Easy-Bake Oven for Christmas. When she asks him why there are no boys in the commercial for Easy-Bake Ovens, he explains: "Because only girls play with it."
"Obviously, the way they're marketing this product is influencing what he thinks and the way that he acts," McKenna said in an interview. She said her little brother would probably be okay playing with a purple-and-pink oven by himself but would be too embarrassed to use it in front of his friends.
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Oklahoma Disaster Relief
After devastating tornadoes tore through Moore, Oklahoma Monday, The River, 1059 The Rock, 1011 The Beat and WLAC are teaming to help get donations from Nashville to Oklahoma and Rajor Trucking was generous enough to donate the transportation.
Purpose: Drop off location for disaster relief for OK
Date: Thursday, May 23rd
Time: 10am-7pm
Location: Sam's Club: Bellevue location:
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Listeners should drop off any donations at the Bellevue Sam's Club location on Thursday, May 23 between 10 a.m. and 7 p.m.
Walmart and Sam's Club is committed to being a community partner in recovery efforts. Sam's Club and Walmart are pledging $1 million in cash and in-kind donations to help ensure the essential needs of residents are being met. Listeners donations will be in addition to the truckloads of water, food and other basic items being sent by Walmart and Sam's to help the Moore, OK community during this difficult time.
Items that will be accepted are diapers, canned goods, nonperishable food and snack items, house hold personal goods, water and sports drinks.
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Iraq's Chaldean Catholic Church installed a new patriarch Wednesday, under tight security arrangements.
Monsignor Louis Sako, 64, replaced retiring patriarch Emmanuel III Delly in a ceremonial mass at St. Joseph's Chaldean church in downtown Baghdad.
Iraqi troops sealed off roads around the church and searched people as they entered the sanctuary.
Sako said he will push for dialogue with Muslim clerics hoping to achieve co-existence and cooperation.
"I will work along with my Muslim brothers in order to provide our country with a better future," the new patriarch said.
Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and Sunni Parliament Speaker Osama al-Nujaifi attended the installation.
Iraqi Christians have suffered heavy persecution by Islamic groups, and thousands have fled the country since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003.
A 1978 census showed 1.4 million Christians in Iraq, a number that's dwindled to a few hundred thousand today.
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Kelly Clarkson Coy on Pregnancy Question but Now Wants Five Kids
Grilled by Jay Leno on The Tonight Show Monday night, the "Tie It Up" singer, 31, wouldn't reveal much as she deflected pregnancy questions with a fit of giggles.
"We are not announcing anything right now! We're not, no," she said of any news she and new husband Brandon Blackstock might have.
But her plans for kids seem to have expanded even from just a few weeks ago, when the American Idol winner said she wanted two little kids – to join Blackstock's two from a previous marriage.
"We have two kids. And they're so great," she said. "I never wanted kids before, but now I want, like, five."
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Jason Aldean is not a man skilled in the finer arts of subtlety. Marking his entrance to Tiger Stadium where he closed out the fifth year of Bayou Country Superfest on May 25, graphics displayed the lighting of a match, which promptly set a cowboy hat and guitar on fire, followed by actual fire and raging, distorted guitars.
The point was simple: He'll take your country tradition and do you-know-what with it. And that, he'll have you know, suits him just fine.
"It's come to my attention over the past couple years that there are people who don't like songs that talk about certain things. But these are things I like to do, like hunt and fish," he said after his first handful of tunes. "So, for those people who don't like these songs -- here's another one right here."
Aldean's hour and a quarter set gushed forth a stream of his biggest rock country songs, sprinkled heavy-handedly with power ballads.
The fiery graphics gave way first to "Burn It Down" -- see what he did there? -- then "Hicktown" and "My Kinda Party" while cutoff Daisy Duke-wearing country ladies thrashed around inside of hallways and empty rooms on the giant screen behind him. Aldean himself was wearing ripped jeans, a straw-colored cowboy hat, boots and a short-sleeve button down.
"It's good to be back here. ... We appreciate it," he said to the crowd, remarking that this trip marks his third Bayou Country Superfest. "We're not going to waste a lot of time. We're going to get down to it and we're going to make some memories here tonight."
The proposition seemed to suit the thousands still standing in Tiger Stadium after three days of music and sunshine. The hour delay in Aldean's start time caused mainly by the domino effect of lateness earlier in the day hardly seemed to have much of an effect on the number still left in the audience. The composition of the set was for the Aldean faithful, of which there are a huge number. Aldean played just yesterday to a sold-out crowd of 41,000 to open the Indy 500.
"Amarillo Sky" gave way to "Big Green Tractor," which left the audience awash in lime green light. Unfortunately, the one thing onstage left to subtlety was the pedal steel guitar. The majority of the time, Aldean's distorted guitars left its sounds behind in fog machine-fueled dust. Thankfully, we heard some of it during ballads like "Night Train," "Don't You Wanna Stay?" and his cover of "Heaven."
Of course, all that gave way to more distorted guitars and flash. During "Crazy Town," actual fire crackers and lights popped during the "bang, bang, bangs" of the chorus.
Aldean is a performer who is going to do exactly as he pleases and not feel guilty about it, as he shouldn't. What he does works, for all of its entertainment. Wrapping up the night and another year of Bayou Country Superfest, Aldean sang his 2009 hit, "She's Country," as his three guitarists strode the runway.
For his part, Aldean cracked a Coors Light, spraying the foam before launching it into the audience. He turned his back and strode back toward the stage, awash in swagger.