text: NWHikers.net - View topic - Mt Logan 9087' 7/7-8 Shop FAQ Search Members / Pics Login Register Active Topics Min 1 Week Min 1 Month Trail Talk Partners Trip Report Steward/History Gear/Food/Photo Support/Links Saloon/Trade Forum Index -> Trip Reports -> Mt Logan 9087' 7/7-8 Goto page 1, 2 Next Previous :: Next Topic Author Message raising3hikersMemberJoined: 21 Sep 2007Posts: 1642 | TRs | PicsLocation: Edmonds, Wa Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:49 pm Finally, a good weekend forecast. With the nice weather, I had to get out and climb Mt. Logan. I left the Easy Pass TH at 8am Saturday after getting my backcountry permit in Marblemount. I quickly hit snow and lost the trail through the forest. I thought it would have been a good idea to stay to the right and be in the forest as soon as I hit brush. That wasn't the best idea but I eventually made it up to some nice snowy slopes below the pass and followed it up. At the pass, I could see my destination way off in the distance. I wondered if I was actually going to make it happen. my first view of Logan from Easy Pass I went right for a couple hundred feet and found the trail that heads down the pass to Fischer Cr. There was snow it spots but mostly clear since it's south facing. The glacier lilies were everywhere making the ground yellow. After reaching the valley bottom, I still had about 3 miles to go on the trail before crossing Fischer Cr to follow the creek that drains from the Douglas glacier. Mesahchie Pk above the meadowglacier lilies The creek crossing went very smooth, there were many logs to choose from but I was now off trail going into this small valley that has a reputation of being brushy. The first mile was pretty good, only down logs to go around while staying around 100' on the left side of the creek. Then the brush started, it started to become thick and I found myself next to the creek. I wanted to get rid of some weight and find a place to set camp. I found a sandy spot and through my tent and other things down before continuing on. I had hoped to camp closer to the basin but I was happy to lose the weight and not have to fight the brush with it on. the view of the basin from camp I made my way through and old avalanche zone and walked on top of down trees where I could to avoid the new growth below. It took me a while to go the next half mile to where I would hit continuous snow near the creek. I had to be careful walking on the snow with the creek roaring below, I stayed to the side as much as I could. At the basin, I had a couple options to choose from. I could go around to the left and take easy slopes and then wrap around towards Logan, or I could try to find a way up near some of the many waterfalls directly to the Douglas glacier. I chose the direct route and used many veggie belays to get me up the steep rock to better ground. waterfalls Once at the glacier, I stayed to its far right side to avoid crevasses near the middle. I slowly gained elevation as more views opened up. Near 8000' there was a big crevasse/shrund that almost went the entire width of the glacier. Luckily, a recent slide from above filled a section of it in so I could walk right across. As I neared the Douglas/Banded col, I saw a huge snow wall ahead. It was steep but I found a reasonable way up it by staying to the right. From there, the rest of the route was in view. Goode and seracsthe wind blown snow wall Near the top, I dropped my crampons and climbed up to find out it was the false summit. Not a big deal, I down climbed and made my way over to the real one and it was easy 3/4th class scrambling. I found the register placed by Franklin last year in a plastic bag. I was the 3rd party to sign in this year. I hit the summit at 5:15pm, 9 hrs and 15 min after leaving the TH. I was a little tired but it was down hill from there. The views from the top were great. Buckner to Boston to Forbidden to Eldorado and so on. The ice cap area looked amazing. Too bad I had bad lighting when I was on the summit so my pics didn't do it justice. Logan's summit, easier than it looksSahale and BostonBuckner to Forbidden On my way down, I knew I wouldn't be able to down climb near the waterfalls, so I went the long way around and got a close up view of a big slab that partially released below Pincer Pk. The rest of the way to camp was uneventful as I was happy to get the bushwhack over with. I reached my camp at 7:30pm and ate dinner and quickly fell asleep. big slab below Pincer Pk I woke early, had a quick bite and was hiking 10 minutes later by 5:30am. I was kind of dreading having to go back up to Easy Pass, but it wasn't so bad. The flowers and the views allowed me to stop often and enjoy the sights. It took me 3 hours to get to the pass and I took a break and one last look at the area. As I was thinking, I realized that I probably had that whole valley to myself yesterday. It wasn't until I reached to TH at 9:30am that I found 2 guys there. One of them was off to a 6 day trip, looks like a good time to do it. Good luck to him! first light on the glacier lilies with Logan in the backgroundfalse helborne 22.75 miles 10800' elevation gain-8000' day 1 and 2800' day 2 2 days-11.5hrs day 1 and 4hrs day 2--------------Eric Eames Back to top twodogdadMemberJoined: 21 Nov 2006Posts: 840 | TRs | PicsLocation: seattle Sun Jul 08, 2012 7:07 pm You have become a master of understatement, among other things N Back to top Backpacker JoeNWH Joe-BobJoined: 16 Dec 2001Posts: 22224 | TRs | PicsLocation: Cle Elum Sun Jul 08, 2012 7:32 pm You guys are animals! Very nice work. I wish I knew where you found all your energy. LOL! --------------"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them." Wayne's John Bernard Books in The Shootist Back to top irongetting oldJoined: 10 Aug 2008Posts: 5494 | TRs | PicsLocation: kenmore Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:24 pm glad you made it happen. pretty short first day compared to what i thought you'd be dealing with. i'd be interested to see the pics of the snow filling the crevasse as well as what it was like walking on the avi debris.--------------man, you go through life, you try to be nice to people, you struggle to resist the urge to punch 'em in the face, and for what? --- moe sizlack Back to top puzzlrMid Fork RocksJoined: 13 Feb 2007Posts: 5702 | TRs | PicsLocation: Stuck in the middle Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:50 pm A Hemmingway of TRs. Each word and picture counts. I continue to be amazed at how you can cover ground, on trail or off.--------------Mid Fork Rocks flickr Back to top silenceMemberJoined: 25 Apr 2005Posts: 4011 | TRs | Pics Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:04 am OK .. now you've really outdone yourself bud!!! amazing solo climb .. beautiful photos too .. i remember that big slab from jason's and kyle's recent climb/ski REALLY looking forward to what more you have in store this season .. challenger perhaps?--------------PHOTOS: https://www.flickr.com/photos/33792231@N00/sets FILMMAKING: http://www.crestpictures.com/ Keep a good head and always carry a light bulb. Bob Dylan Back to top Sadie's DriverSadie's DriverJoined: 24 Apr 2006Posts: 1706 | TRs | PicsLocation: Welcome Pass Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:13 am An overnighter? You ARE (somewhat) human! Beautiful.--------------Four-paw buddy lets me tag along! Back to top SnowdogMemberJoined: 21 Jul 2006Posts: 879 | TRs | PicsLocation: on (& off) the beaten path Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:27 am nicely done- just 'a walk in the park' for you...... --------------'we don't have time for a shortcut' Back to top raising3hikersMemberJoined: 21 Sep 2007Posts: 1642 | TRs | PicsLocation: Edmonds, Wa Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:12 pm iron wrote: pretty short first day compared to what i thought you'd be dealing with. i'd be interested to see the pics of the snow filling the crevasse as well as what it was like walking on the avi debris. That first mile off trail is really tame, but that brush a little further up will be worse in a few years. Manageable now but will need snow cover in years to come to make it easier. A mid June trip would be ideal. As for walking on the small slide area on the glacier, it was just like the rest of the snow. Ankle deep and firm below that, I'd say it was at least 2-3 days old by the way it was melted. I didn't get a good picture of the filled in crevasse but it was actually mounded up a bit at that spot. The filled in part was about 5' wide and as the slide rounded the corner, it was maybe 15' wide. It definitely helped me out or else I would have had to try the left side of the glacier and travel above the crevasse in limited room. The location of this is where the Douglas glacier narrows at around 8000'. The route might become impassible soon Here's a pic of another crevasse near that area, that's all I got--------------Eric Eames Back to top b00MemberJoined: 29 Sep 2003Posts: 951 | TRs | Pics Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:04 am raising3hikers wrote: At the pass, I could see my destination way off in the distance. I wondered if I was actually going to make it happen. logan really looks far away from easy pass, but next time i'm there, it is going to look a lot closer after reading your t/r :>) Back to top Fatal JusticeUW Huskies UWJoined: 15 Oct 2011Posts: 161 | TRs | PicsLocation: Lynnwood WA Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:41 pm raising3hikers wrote: 10800' elevation gain-8000' day 1 Not quite Uli Steck, but pretty good nonetheless. --------------Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else lol Back to top wamtngalMemberJoined: 13 Jun 2004Posts: 2345 | TRs | PicsLocation: Seattle, WA Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:33 pm I'm not impressed. You did it as an overnight and not a day trip. ( )--------------Opinions expressed here are my own. Back to top wildernessedviewbaggerJoined: 31 Oct 2004Posts: 8230 | TRs | PicsLocation: Wenatchee Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:34 pm Very Nice, your not in a hurry to check off the T100 list are you ?--------------I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent_Gandhi Back to top MagellanBrutally HandsomeJoined: 26 Jul 2006Posts: 13026 | TRs | PicsLocation: Inexorable descent Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:10 pm Nice work E. Back to top DonMemberJoined: 25 Apr 2005Posts: 2016 | TRs | PicsLocation: Fairwood, WA Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:07 am An incredible solo feat! Serious motivation! That's a huge amount of elevation gain. -------------- Don Geyer Photography Photography Blog Back to top Display: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First All times are GMT - 8 Hours Goto page 1, 2 Next Forum Index -> Trip Reports -> Mt Logan 9087' 7/7-8 Goto page 1, 2 Next Happy Birthday loudscoutii, dawgTE! 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Roper v. Simmons and Our Constitution in International Equipoise
Roger Paul Alford
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UCLA Law Review, Vol. 53, No. 1, 2005
In Roper v. Simmons, the Court unequivocally affirms the use of comparative constitutionalism to interpret the Eighth Amendment. It does not, however, provide an obvious theoretical basis to justify the practice. This Article searches for a theory to explain the comparativism in Roper using the theories advanced in the author's previous scholarship. It concludes that of the colorable candidates, natural law constitutionalism is the most plausible explanation, with the attendant problems associated therewith. The Article concludes with an analysis of the possible ramifications of the Court's comparative approach, suggesting that it may be pursuing a Constitution that is in international equipoise, with international values distributed liberally throughout our jurisprudence to ensure foreign and domestic equilibrium.
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NEW YORK – Someone might want to pinch Joe Carroll to see if he's dreaming.
"I woke up in my childhood bedroom in Grand Rapids as I was visiting family for the holidays to a phone call that said I have to come back to New York to start rehearsals for 'Cinderella,'" Carroll said in a recent phone interview.
This makes three straight Broadway roles for the 2008 East Grand Rapids graduate.
"I've hit the jackpot three times, but I'm trying not to talk about it too much because I feel like somebody is going to find out and take it away from me," he said with a laugh. "I'm waiting to be told I should be handing out Macy's fliers in Times Square. This is too good to be true. It's very rare but very exciting."
Carroll's latest role is Prince Topher in the musical "Cinderella." Previously the 2012 University of Michigan graduate played Balthazar (and was Orlando Bloom's understudy) in the recent revival of "Romeo and Juliet" and debuted on Broadway with a role in the Tony Award-winning musical "Once."
Cinderella's title role, Ella, was recently recast with pop star Carly Rae Jepsen of "Call Me Maybe" fame and Fran Drescher from television's "The Nanny" taking on the role of the evil stepmother.
Producers often refresh the cast of Broadway shows to revive them and give them new life in hopes of bigger ticket sales. Jepsen's "Call Me, Maybe"music video has been viewed more than a half a billion times on YouTube.
Carroll, 23, will start his latest Broadway run Jan. 28 while Jepsen and Drescher will join the cast Feb. 4.
Carroll said the show, which features the music of Rodgers and Hammerstein, has been completely rewritten with a modern feel to the dialogue.
"Even though it still takes place in a fairy kingdom with giants, ogres and magic, it is very contemporary," he said. "The dialogue is very contemporary and funny. (The prince) doesn't know what the heck he's doing."
"It's a lot less of the stereotypical 'look at my jawline and pretty hair' and more of a story about a regular, confused guy looking to find his way in life through humor."
Speaking of humor, Carroll's heard more than a few "Call Me Maybe" jokes.
"Carly has had a really great sense of humor about it," he said. "But she is really going to dispel some critics with this. She still sounds like Carly Rae Jepsen but she's the best, fullest, most exciting version of herself. She continually surprises herself in rehearsal. It's exciting to see her discover her voice and our voices together."
Those voices will be singing together often with three major duets in the show. Broadway is banking that the fresh faces and well-known names will extend the life of the show, and Carroll said he would love to see people from his hometown come to a performance.
"Please come and bring the whole family," he said. "But if you can't get here, please see a show at Civic, Circle or Actors' theaters. I would not be doing what I'm doing if it wasn't for the arts scene in Grand Rapids, the drama program at East Grand Rapids High School, and the vibrant culture of the local theaters."
Details about the New York show its cast changes are at broadway.com.
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Magic and Dreaming
Here is the second instalment of Prospero's Book:
Knowing the whole is knowing Magic. All else is just knowing about.
It is a fair guess that like a large number of things in the Universe knowing the whole may be never quite possible. Nearly but not precisely there. Nearly Absolute zero but never exactly that. Like recurring decimals, double spirals and so on.
To understand this at the outset is to realise that this oddity is essential to the manifestation of the Magical Universe. We can never solve it completely, not even in the Magical Keys, which we will study later, where the Fool jumps from one place to another, is in two places at once and carries opposite qualities immediately.
Theory of Magic
Prospero's Book is a long essay on magic which Chalky began to write in 1989. It was never sent out to a publisher and exists only in longhand. We shall be posting it in instalments, as it is typed up.
Prospero's Book
I first began to make notes for this book in 1966. Since then many magical ideas, under one guise or another, have become acceptable to a developing consciousness of the the environment, to a developing physics, and a developing appreciation of the role of consciousness itself.
It has taken a long time to try, and one can only try, to sort and order the material; for the matter of magic is the universe itself.
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New Orleans' inspector general on Tuesday released an annual report saying that, during 2010, the office flagged $9.4 million in costs that could have been avoided by the city and also earned assists in a couple of criminal investigations.
A cover letter from Inspector General Ed Quatrevaux says the office "identified waste amounting to more than three times its budget" in the 11 reports and eight public letters the office issued during the year. The inspector general's budget was $3.4 million, of which $400,000 was returned to the city at the end of the year, according to the report.
The past year also saw the appointment of an independent police monitor, Susan Hutson, the report notes.
The biggest instances of alleged overspending identified by the inspector general were in four professional-services contracts. According to the IG:
- The city paid $2.8 million in "questionable costs" to MWH Americas, which was hired to manage recovery projects.
- The city "wasted" $1.7 million by awarding a contract to Disaster Recovery Consultants that did not need to be outsourced.
- The city also wasted $1.3 million in a contract with Telecommunications Development Corp. that resulted from a "flawed procurement."
- The city lost about $1.3 million by not awarding a contract for electronic monitoring of detainees to the cheapest, most-responsive bidder.
Although most of the misspending flagged by the inspector general had already occurred, Quatrevaux said he thinks his office's findings have saved the city money.
"I think the new administration benefited from our reports," he said. "For one thing, MWH is no longer here. They (The Landrieu administration) indicated they were going to change out TDC. So they've taken some action that I think will at least cause that money to not be wasted in the future."
In addition to highlighting questionable spending, the IG's annual report notes the office's role in several criminal investigations. Most notably, the office assisted in a federal probe into a City Hall kickback scheme that has thus far resulted in guilty pleas from former city technology officers Greg Meffert and Anthony Jones.
In two other cases, investigators from the inspector general's office discovered criminal violations, the report says. One involved a city employee soliciting a bribe, while another involved theft by an employee of a city contractor. The report provides no details about either, but it says both have been referred to prosecutors.
Quatrevaux confirmed that the first of those two cases is that of Dennis Firstley, a tow-truck driver for the city, who was arrested in November after an IG investigation found that he solicited and accepted a bribe from a driver in exchange for releasing the man's car. Firstley is set to be tried in Criminal District Court on April 7.
The report also list a number of audits and other evaluations the inspector was working on as of Dec. 31. They include, among others: an audit of Orleans Parish Prison charges to the city, an audit of donations received by the city, a review of Urban Development Action Grant expenses, an evaluation of the costs of incarceration policies, and an evaluation of municipal and traffic courts.
The letter from Quatrevaux and a list of reports issued by the office can be viewed at www.nolaoig.org.
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Hi Teaser Tuesdays, nice to see you again! Hosted by MizB of Should Be Reading, Teaser Tuesdays is just a good excuse for us all to share a bit of what we're reading this week. You know the rules by now, don't you?
- Open the book that you're reading to a random page
- Share two "teaser" sentences from somewhere on that page
- Don't be a jerk: NO SPOILERS!
- Be sure to include the title & author.
Ten minutes later, to the surprise of both of us, I was driving past the old guy and his ever-urinating dog again. Out of the corner of my eye I could see him gesturing excitedly, shouting at me that I had gone the wrong way, but as this was already abundantly evident to me, I ignored his hopping around and went left at the junction.
The Lost Continent: Travels in Small Town America, Bill Bryson (Kimberly)
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Easier PR, jobs allures Indian students to Saskatchewan
That's why Canadian province Saskatchewan is attracting a large number of Indian students.
Plenty of jobs in Saskatchewan—Saskatchewan has lots of jobs and this is one of the reasons why many Indians students are wasting no time in immigrating to this Canadian province.
Opportunities of jobs in Saskatchewan have been bright for workers.
As per latest official statistics revealed by Statistics Canada, employment including both full-time as well as part-time positions has gone up considerably.
Full-time employment in Saskatchewan was stated to be 425,600 in March this year. And this has been record increase. There has been increase of 9,100 full-time jobs for the period of 11 months in terms of year-over-year gains.
Giving details about the positive job market in Saskatchewan, Rob Norris, Saskatchewan Advanced Education, Employment and Immigration Minister said it has a variety of choices available for workers. New workers will be needed by many Saskatchewan businesses in the coming times as well as in the long run, maintained Norris.
High earnings allure foreign students—Its not just a plethora of jobs but also higher wages per hour that are a big factor for many international students to come to this place. Saskatchewan is a perfect place to live with a family, the immigration minister maintained.
Saskatchewan offers higher weekly earnings to workers, the immigration minister said.
Many foreign students who after getting low paid jobs in other Canadian provinces like British Columbia and Ontario decided to move to Saskatchewan. Here, they are getting much higher wages per hour as compared to the above named Canadian provinces.
Getting Saskatchewan PR is so easy—Believe it or not, but it is a fact! Getting Saskatchewan permanent residency is quite simple.
Saskatchewan immigration rules have been changed recently in a bid to enable more foreign students to stay here once they finish their study courses here.
New rules for Saskatchewan immigrant Nominee Program introduced by Saskatchewan Ministry of Advanced Education, Employment and Labor will help give international students more time to stay in Saskatchewan and seek jobs here.
This ruling is aimed to make them eligible for becoming Saskatchewan permanent residents.


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Weld County Clerk and Recorder Steve Moreno announced Friday he will continue to post uniformed sheriff's deputies at four vote centers in Weld County for the general election on Nov. 2.
Deputies were posted at some vote centers two years ago and questions were raised about possible voter intimidation. Moreno, however, explained in a news release that the reason he chose to post deputies at the vote center was related to previous incidents on Election Day in 2006 and 2008 where law enforcement officers were needed at the centers.
Roberto Cordova of Voto Latino, a nonprofit organization that works to educate and mobilize Latino voters, doesn't share this concern.
"I don't believe that the presence of police officers at voting stations would hinder any voter if that voter had not committed any crime," said Cordova.
Experienced poll watchers will be on hand at the voting centers to ensure that anyone who wants to vote can do so without any intimidation. This is standard practice for Election Day.
Moreno said deputies will not interfere with the voting process.
"The deputies will be present to keep the peace; not to interfere with voting," Moreno said in a news release, explaining that deputies will not have access to the names of voters and will not check identification.
The four polling places that will have a sheriff's deputy present are the Greeley Ice Haus, 900 8th Ave., Tozer Primary School, 501 Oak St. in Windsor, the University of Northern Colorado, 10th Avenue and 20th Street, and the Weld County Training Center, 1104 H St.
Moreno said in the news release that these four voting centers were picked because they are expected to be high-volume vote centers. Also, the posting of a deputy at Windsor Elementary School was requested by the school's principal.
Voters who do not want to cast their ballots at a center with a law enforcement officer present can go to one of 30 other vote centers in Weld County, vote before Election Day at an Early Vote Center, or request a mail-in ballot, the release stated.


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MINERAL RIDGE - Ethan Dukes' knee was never the same after he torqued it during a kickoff this past football season at Mineral Ridge.
The 6-foot-1 senior endured the pain throughout basketball season.
When it came to his first high jumps of this track and field season, the pain became too much to bear.
Dukes had patellar tendinitis, which is also called Jumper's Knee.
"It felt like you were getting stabbed in the knee caps, not being able to bend it," he said. "You can't sit for too long. It was just bad."
Things quickly changed for the Mineral Ridge senior as he took physical therapy.
His jumps quickly improved.
Last Friday, he went to a new height - going went 6-2 to win the Division III Springfield District title in the high jump.
Dukes cleared 6-0 and 6-2 on his first attempts.
Then, he took the bar to 6-4.75 because the Mineral Ridge record is 6-4.
"Instead of tying it, he'd rather own it," Mineral Ridge boys track and field coach Ron Toth said. "When he went at 6-4, he leaned into the bar the first time. The second time, he didn't see where the bar was. He pulled out of it. He was over it. He pulled out of it and knocked it off. His last one wasn't even as good as his first one."
As for Mineral Ridge junior Logan Smith, his steps were right behind McDonald's Bobby Johnson as the Mineral Ridge distance runner took second in both the 1,600- and 3,200-meter runs at Springfield - going 4:29.27 and 9:55.93. Neither one was a personal best.
"It was hard work staying up with him," Smith said. "I did the best I could. I kind of died off on the last lap. I had second place and that's OK."
Smith has run at Youngstown State in the offseason to prepare for this season and said he learned plenty about his heart rate while running.
Toth said Smith has increased his mileage and did some speed work. At regionals, he'll need to run balanced splits to be successful.
That said, Toth is happy with the training he received at YSU.
"I'm told him my forte has not been distance. I'm learning," Toth said. "He is writing the narrative of the distance excellence here at Mineral Ridge. The other athletes, I'll tell them stories of past 4x100s, hurdlers and past jumpers and things that they've did that God allowed them to accomplish.
"Logan is the one who is writing the script at this point and time for the distance races. Things he's getting from those folks, I'm very appreciative of because I just don't have that wisdom that they do."
Prior to Friday's finals at this week's Division III Navarre Fairless Regional, Logan will decide if he'll do the 1,600 or the 3,200.
"To be honest with you, we're praying about that," Toth said.
As for the team's 4x100 relay with Dukes, Johnn Bourgoin, Michael Eaton and Tait Rummell, they ran a personal best 44.61 to advance to regionals.
Toth said his quartet needs to fix two handoffs prior to Wednesday's regional semifinals.
They can't rest on the 44.61, which is one of the tops in the region.
"That number could evaporate in a second if we have one bad handoff," Toth said. "There are good teams that are here. There are great teams in the region.
"There's a promise that's there. I've got great hope for them."
As for Dukes, he hopes to go where no other high jump has gone for Mineral Ridge.
That will be determined during Friday's regional final.
"To be the first person from Mineral Ridge to go to state in the high jump would be just phenomenal," Dukes said.


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- No Room to Increase Corn Consumption
- Exports at 8-year low
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Exports at 8-year low
According to Good, U.S. exports during the 2011-2012 marketing year are projected at an eight-year low of 1.75 billion bushels. The projection reflects expectations that wheat will substitute for some corn feeding around the world, he says.
"Wheat feeding outside the U.S. is expected to increase by about 340 million bushels, or 8.2%," he says.
Sales of U.S. corn for export during the 2011-2012 marketing year have been relatively large, Good says.
"As of Aug. 4, the USDA reported that 327 million bushels of corn had been sold for export. Sales were 68% larger than those of a year earlier and represent nearly 19% of the projected exports for the year," he says.
Good says that all the major importers have purchased larger quantities of U.S. corn than at this time last year. With the large carryover sales from the current year, the 2011-2012 marketing year will start with very large corn export sales on the books.
Domestic feed and residual use of corn during the 2011-2012 marketing year is projected at 4.9 billion bushels, 2% below the projection for the current year. If supplies were available, feed consumption of corn would likely be larger than the USDA projection, he noted.
"The 2011 calf crop is expected to be only 1% smaller than the 2010 crop, dairy cattle numbers exceed those of a year ago, and pork production has stabilized. Placements of broiler chicks are down about 5% from those of a year earlier," he says.
Only a small increase in distillers' grain production is expected, less sorghum will be fed and wheat feeding may decline next summer. The USDA expects high corn prices to limit corn feeding, he adds.
According to Good, the use of corn for ethanol and co-product production is expected to increase by a very modest 80 million bushels (1.6%) during the year ahead. Ethanol production (consumption) will be influenced by total fuel consumption, gasoline prices and perhaps the fate of the blender's tax credit.
Corn consumption during the year ahead could be rationed by weaker demand and/or higher corn prices. Ongoing economic and financial weakness speaks to some demand weakness, but the majority of any needed rationing will likely have to come from a continuation of high corn prices, he says.
"What remains to be seen is how much rationing, if any, will be needed. Based on the way the growing season is ending, the size of the 2011 crop could be smaller than the August projection, requiring even more rationing than currently anticipated," he says.


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ATMA President Bill Shugart III, vice president of operations at hosiery maker W.Y. Shugart & Sons, Fort Payne, AL, will preside during the associations annual meeting, where state and national politics will be the focal point.
Editors note: Following is a Q&A with Bill Shugart III, who has served as president of the Alabama Textile Manufacturers Association during the past year. Shugart, vice president of operations for W.Y. Shugart & Sons, Fort Payne, AL, will turn over the reins this week during the groups annual meeting in Destin, FL. In reflecting on his term, Shugart answered questions submitted to him by STN.
STN: You earned the distinction of being the first ATMA president of its second century. Your thoughts on this distinction?
Shugart: I think, mainly, it was the luck of the draw. However, the responsibility of being president in the new century has been to adapt to change and to position the association to give our membership the most value for their money.
STN: Please comment on the importance of the association to Alabamas textile industry, particularly during these difficult times.
Shugart: By providing educational seminars, political forums and social gatherings, we try to provide our companies with enough information to keep them competitive.
STN: What were your goals when you became president and how did you go about meeting them?
Shugart: Our goals were simple: Work within a balanced budget and provide value to our membership. We accomplished this by tightening our belts financially and providing informative seminars and accurately and timely monitoring of state politics.
STN: What are some of the legislative/regulatory issues or concerns ATMA dealt with this year?
Shugart: The legislative agenda was filled with issues that we were concerned about passing or more often defeating. We tracked 43 of the 714 bills introduced in the House and 30 of the 575 bills in the Senate.
We worked for successful passage of: 1) appropriation for the Waste Reduction and Technology Foundation; and 2) workers compensation benefits, subrogation to employer provided.
We were disappointed that the following did not pass: 1) reduction in post-judgment interest rates (tort reform); 2) voter I.D.; 3) mental anguish/ emotional distress judgment cap (tort reform); 4) not charge company with UC for probationary employees; and 5) employee immunity for sharing job performance information.
We worked to defeat the following: 1) ADEM inspection fees; 2) nonpartisan election on justices and judges; 3) to prohibit arbitration agreements; and 4) water resources enforcement change from ADEM to the Office of Water Resources.
STN: As other states, Alabama is ex-periencing serious budget shortfalls. What effect has this had on the manufacturing sector in your state, particularly among your membership, and how have some of ATMAs causes been affected by these financial troubles
Shugart: It is a domino effect. Retail is soft. Retail squeezes manufacturing for lower prices. People are laid off from factories due to the slow economy and spend less at retail. Manufacturing at a point moves to a cheaper labor pool offshore to meet the price demands of the retailer. Alabamians are out of work. When people cut back on spending, they cut back on association participation.
STN: Alabama hasnt been immune to the manufacturing woes, especially job losses and plant closures and particularly in textiles and apparel. What are the latest numbers youve seen in terms of jobs lost and closed plants in your state? Related to this, what were the most devastating headlines of the past year in Alabama?
Shugart: The largest loss this year was the announcement of VF Jeanswear, which closed five facilities in Alabama that produced Lee and Wrangler Jeans. Total loss of employees is 2,189 in the state.
In 1994, Alabama had 102,000 employees 58,000 apparel, 39,000 textile and 5,000 fiber. Today, we have 57,900 employees 18,900 apparel, 34,000 textile and 5,000 fiber.
Since February of last year, we lost 3,800 apparel employees and 1,300 textile.
STN: Has this contraction affected ATMAs membership numbers? How do those figures compare to last years at this time?
Shugart: Yes, our numbers are down from a year ago. There are simply less textile-related facilities in the state.
STN: What are the bright spots in the industry in Alabama?
Shugart: Certain segments of manufacturing are doing pretty well. Some have even made plant expansions. We have to continue to automate and become as lean as possible.
STN: What exciting is going on within the organization?
Shugart: One of the most exciting things happening today in our industry is the fact that nearly every manufacturer we have spoken with in the past few weeks has reported stronger business and increased optimism for the future.
We have been very pleased that Frontier Spinning acquired Russell Yarns this year and re-started yarn plants that were previously closed by Russell Corporation.
STN: What are a companys benefits of ATMA membership?
Shugart: Benefits include a voice in state politics. ATMA is well respected in the political arena by senators and legislators, as well as other state associations. Also, timely and informed seminars meet the needs of our constituents. And, thereby, a major benefit is networking with other people within the manufacturing community, as well as valued suppliers to the manufacturing community and valued suppliers to manufacturing.
STN: What are the biggest challenges facing the textile/apparel industry, particularly in Alabama, in the coming years?
Shugart: Foreign competition and the reduction or elimination of trade tariffs that allow the consumer to buy foreign textiles made with cheap, Third World labor. We cant pay employees $8.20/hour and compete with foreign labor at $3 a day. We have to continue to automate.
STN: How has ATMA responded to these challenges?
Shugart: ATMA has responded by lobbying not only state legislators, but our national leadership to provide textiles with an opportunity to compete.
STN: Why is serving in a leadership role such as this important to you?
Shugart: It allows me to have a voice in how our association operates. It also allows me to represent ATMAs views to our politicians on legislation matters that concern us.
STN: Please describe the working relationship you have with your officers and board and the ATMA staff.
Shugart: It is very easy to work with people who have common goals. With the Board and Executive Committee there are no egos or hidden agendas to deal with. Everyone is working for the betterment of ATMA as it tries to serve our member companies. Our staff is tops. They are friends, courteous, intelligent and responsive to our members needs.
STN: How long have you been a member of ATMA?
Shugart: Six years.
STN: How has ATMA helped you grow professionally?
Shugart: Primarily it has helped me become more aware of how politics can affect our businesses and our lives. It presents a broader picture than just the manufacturing environment.
STN: The association is making a return trip to Destin, one of its favorite, um, destinations. Whats unique about this years event and what do you hope members will take away from the meeting?
Shugart: This will be a unique event in that there will be change. We need to savor the relationships that we have made over the past century. We need to rely on those relationships as we go in new directions with new formats. The one thing I would like for our members to take from the meeting is that although there are many changes in our industry and association, relationships and friendships can remain constant.
CHARLOTTE, NC The Hosiery Association (THA) has planned to cover a number of timely topics pertinent to its sector when the group holds its 97th annual meeting and convention this week.
Scheduled for Wednesday through Sunday at the Crowne Plaza Resort at Hilton Head, SC, the event is expected to attract about 200 members.
Roundtable discussions will cover such topics as sheers, socks, seamless and greige knitting.
Bob Yoe, chairman of THA, has chosen Change Brings Options as the meeting theme.
There are many mega-trends driving this change, said Yoe, president and CEO, Crescent Hosiery Mills, Inc. The two most significant are, first, the changing political and cultural mores in the U.S.; and, second, the rapid technological changes, both within and outside our industry. Both of these mega-trends are inexorable.
Additional trends impacting the industry, Yoe said, include the reduction of viable retailers, rising raw material and energy costs, brands, competitors, suppliers and increases in customer demands.
As leaders in our industry, we must recognize and accept the fact that these trends cannot be changed, he said. Thus, as leaders, we must make rational decisions about how to most effectively deal with the options we have. Options are choices, and they cannot be ignored. In many cases, if we dont react to the options we have today, tomorrows options will be even more limited and less desirable.
Meanwhile, Bill Eubank of Aarthun Performance Group Ltd. will give a two-plus-hour presentation entitled, Building Better Business People in the Hosiery Industry. He will explain how having employees understand the financial cycles of a company will help them identify strategies that will improve efficiency and increase productivity and cash flow.
In another discussion, Jim Brendle of Pro Systems will cover, How to Use THAs Web Conferencing in Your Business. Simple and inexpensive, web conferencing is going to be a great advantage to many companies in time and money savings and THA now has these capabilities available to sublease to members.
We have developed an outstanding assortment of educational presentations that are designed to help members assess the options that are available to them in todays marketplace, Yoe said. These sessions will cover how to better understand the new consumer, strengthen alliances with both internal and external customers, review the latest developments on logistics and distribution technologies, provide a glimpse of the latest production trends and sourcing from around the world and enhance personal skills.
For the first time, THA is offering companies a chance to exhibit their goods and services during the event.
We believe that these exhibits will add value to the convention for all participants by creating an environment in which hosiery manufacturers, suppliers and service providers can come together in an informal but organized manner to discuss business relationships, as well as introduce new products and services, Yoe said.
A shareholders meeting also is on tap for the meeting. Similar to a shareholders meeting in the corporate world, the leadership of THA, with the aid of professional facilitator Glenn Kiser, will review the changes in the association in the previous year and the strategic plan for moving into the future.
CARY, NC Dr. James F. Smith, a university professor and well-known economist, will address members of INDA, Association of the Nonwoven Fabrics Industry, during its annual meeting this week.
The event will take place Wednesday through Saturday at the Hyatt Grand Express in Orlando.
Members also will hear a North American and worldwide nonwovens industry analysis by Ian Butler, INDAs acting director of market research and statistics.
About 100 members are expected for the closed-to-the-media event, which also will feature roundtable discussions related to the economy and that fast-growing sector. In that session, members will brainstrom and develop a comprehensive analysis of the worldwide economy and factors affecting the nonwovens industry.
Smith, a professor in the Kenan-Flagler Business School at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, will present, The Current and Future State of the Economy and Managing Your Business in a Tough Economy.
One of the worlds best economic forecasters, Smith has more than 25 years of experience. He serves on the Blue Chip, Bridge News, Business Week and MMS forecasting panels, participates in the National Association for Business Economics (NABE) and USA Today quarterly surveys of forecasters and The Wall Street Journal semi-annual economic outlook surveys. He also is a member of the Forecasters Club of New York outlook panel. In January 1999, The WSJ recognized him as the most accurate forecaster among its panel members for two of the past three years.
Meanwhile, Jeff Cleary and Franklin Covey will cover leadership strategies, under the title Leading in a White Water World.
Lee Sullivan, general manager of the Tuft Division of Freudenberg Nonwovens, Durham, NC, serves as chairman of INDAs Board of Directors and its Executive Committee.
Officers include Dennis R. Tavernetti, vice chairman of planning and global vice president of BBA Nonwovens Group, Simpsonville, SC; and C.K. Wong, vice chairman of finance and president and CEO of U.S. Pacific Procurement Co., Hong Kong.
By Devin Steele
WASHINGTON, DC U.S. House Rep. Robin Hayes, who has garnered critics and supporters after his yea vote on presidential trade promotion authority (TPA) in December, faced a room consisting of both recently.
Addressing members of the American Textile Manufacturers Institute (ATMI) during their annual meeting here, the North Carolina Republican heard his share of tough questions and comments while defending his decision to vote for the measure.
Weve got an opportunity, Hayes, who joined several other Textile Caucus members in voting for the legislation in exchange for a letter full of promises aimed at helping the textile industry, said in his opening remarks. Im going to fight with every fiber of my being in every process that goes forward to make sure that that opportunity turns into more jobs, expanded markets and plants reopening and expanding, not plants closing.
After further explaining why he voted the way he did, Hayes said, Thats my story and Im sticking to it. Whos got the first question?
Jim Copland III, CEO of Copland Industries, Burl-ington, NC, from whom Hayes said he has sought counsel on textile-related issues in the past, was the first to pipe in.
Theres no question that a lot of us in this room are fighting for our (professional) lives, said Copland, whose company weaves polyester fabrics. And theres no question that there are some in this room who are upset with you for your vote. Thats a fact. We have a history of being promised things and nothing ever comes about it.
Then, after describing Rep. Bill Thomas (R-CA) as a bull gator for refusing to let anyone swim to the other side of the pond on the issue, he asked directly, Knowing that you were going to run into a stone wall (in Thomas), would you please explain your thought process as to why you voted the way you did, taking that into consideration?
Hayes did just that, saying he reached his decision in spite of objections by Thomas, chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, to provisions in the letter from Commerce Secretary Donald Evans and House leadership.
Bill Thomas is in agreement with most of whats in that letter, Hayes said. But what Bill Thomas is having so much trouble with is the dyeing and finishing provision (that would allow duty-free apparel from the Caribbean be dyed and finished in the U.S.). So Im not real worried about it, except on dyeing and finishing. He was very strong in his opposition to that all the way through.
However, there are a couple of fellows the Speaker of the House (Dennis Hastert) and the President, who occupy higher rungs on the perch as we negotiate, who I strongly believe in. Theyll keep their word.
Later, Copland related a story about former ATMI president Dewey Trogden, who had shared with him a letter from President Reagan outlining his commitment to the textile industry in the 80s. And none of those things in that signed letter came to pass, Copland said. We all hope that the faith that you have placed is good faith.
Well, everything youve said and all of your concerns are legitimate, Hayes responded. We just have to take what weve got and Ill do everything I can to make sure those promises are kept.
Hayes also addressed several questions and concerns from other ATMI members and also drew praise for his efforts on behalf of the industry from one ATMI member. He then thanked attendees for sharing their thoughts.
The biggest problem I have right now working with this issue is people who dont have the guts to stand up and do what Jim Copland did today, Hayes said. Folks, if you tell me whats on your mind, I can tell you my understanding of the fact and then well move on from there. But if you just go around behind my back, grumbling and moaning and whining, then we arent going anywhere.
Finally, Hayes said that voting for TPA, which gives the president the ability to negotiate trade legislation without amendment from Congress, was difficult, but that he has no regrets.
A no vote was a wonderfully easy way, a cowards way out, he said. I couldve gone to Bullfeathers, had a hamburger and been home by 7 oclock. Well, I have been up ever since then, trying to make this sucker work. And Im going to keep on doing it.
So it was either say no and we keep losing jobs and closing plants, or it was use this opportunity to create leverage to do something for the industry.
Earlier in the day, Cass Ballenger (R-NC), who also voted for the measure, addressed members during a breakfast that was closed to the media.
By Devin Steele
MONTGOMERY, AL Textile industry officials gathered here recently for the annual Safety Awards Luncheon sponsored by the Alabama Textile Manufacturers Association (ATMA).
Several speakers addressed workplace safety and awards for outstanding safety achievement were presented.
Seminar speakers included Bill Pryer, Alabamas attorney general; and Neil Wasser of Constangy, Brooks & Smith, Atlanta, GA.
Kenneth Mims, Alabamas Textile Citizen of the Year of Guntersville, AL, was a special guest speaker. He received the title of Alabamas Textile Citizen of the Year for his outstanding contributions to his community and job with Kappler Protective Apparel & Fabrics.
Achievement awards were presented to 37 plants for operating the most hours with the fewest or no accidents.
In addition, Alice McKinney, director of the Alabama Department of Industrial Relations, awarded certificates to 61 plants that operated throughout 2001 with no lost-time accidents.
Fiber & Yarn Manufacturing (opening, yarn, packaging)
Division 1 (up to 125 employees)
1st Place, Wehadkee Yarn Mills, Talladega Division
2nd Place, Frontier Yarns,LLC, Coosa River Spinning
3rd Place, Wehadkee Yarn Mills, Chinnabee Division
Division 2 (126 to 250 employees)
1st Place, Russell Corporation, Alex City Yarns
2nd Place, Russell Corporation, Coosa Yarns
3rd Place, RadiciSpandex Corporation
Division 4 (over 500 employees)
1st Place, Shaw Industries, Andalusia Plant #65
Fabric Manufacturing (knitting, weaving, finishing)
Division 1 (up to 125 employees)
1st Place, Russell Corporation, #7 Woven Goods Bleachery
2nd Place, Russell Corporation, Athletic Specialty Knit
3rd Place, Johnston Industries Inc., Lantuck Plant
Division 2 (126 to 250 employees)
1st Place, Russell Corp, #6 Weaving
2nd Place, Tee Jays Manufacturing, #15A Knit
3rd Place, Vanity Fair Intimates, #6 Dye/Finish
Division 3 (251 to 500 employees)
1st Place, WestPoint Stevens, Opelika Finishing
2nd Place, Mount Vernon Mills, Tallassee
3rd Place, Johnston Industries Inc., Shawmut Complex
Division 4 (over 500 employees)
1st Place, WestPoint Stevens, Lanett
2nd Place, Johnston Industries Inc., Southern Phenix Textiles
3rd Place, WestPoint Stevens, Carter/Lanier
Apparel, Homefurnishings & Other Cut-and-Sew Manufacturing
Division 1 (up to 125 employees)
1st Place, Connie Manufacturing Company
2nd Place, Tee Jays Manufacturing Inc., #14 Samples
3rd Place, Russell Corporation, Lafayette Sewing
Division 2 (126 to 250 employees)
1st Place, New Era Cap Company, Jackson Facility #5
2nd Place, Pridecraft Enterprises, Enterprise
3rd Place, Russell Corporation, Brundidge Plant
Division 3 (251 to 500 employees)
1st Place, Springs Industries, 5th Avenue
2nd Place, Russell Corporation, HiTech
3rd Place, Kappler Protective Apparel & Fabrics, Guntersville
Division 4 (over 500 employees)
1st Place, Russell Corporation, Focused Factory
2nd Place, WestPoint Stevens, Fairfax Fabrication
3rd Place, WestPoint Stevens, Abbeville
Distribution, Warehousing, Maintenance, Grounds, Other
Division 1 (up to 50 employees)
1st Place, Johnston Industries Inc., Langdale Complex
2nd Place, Russell Corporation, Athletic Textile Maintenance
3rd Place, Johnston Industries Inc., Stitchbond
Division 2 (over 51 employees)
1st Place, Vanity Fair Intimates, Distribution Center #2
2nd Place, Russell Corporation, Athletic Distribution Center
3rd Place, Russell Corporation, Miscellaneous Maintenance
Sensura fiber was borne out of a partnership between Wellman, Parkdale Mills and several knitters and weavers. The staple fiber, shown here in garments by Champion Sportswear, gives fabrics a sensual and soft hand and a luxurious appearance, according to the manufacturers.
Photo by David Spagnola
The future of the textile industry continues to spiral downward with the migration of fiber and textile manufacturing to lesser developed countries, especially the Far East and particularly China.
This is evidenced in such data as imports of apparel and textiles, which are up 76 percent in the last five years and imports of home furnishings and industrial products, which more than doubled in the same time frame. This flood of imports has devastated the U.S. textile market, resulting in the loss of thousands of American jobs, numerous mill closings and almost daily announcements of bankrupt textile companies.
As mill after mill closes and those remaining lay off workers and tighten purse strings, Wellman recognized that change was in order. Faced with a future of a shrinking textile and fiber market, Wellman concluded that it must succeed in implementing a new fibers strategy or else see its business disappear and its plants close, too.
Yet, despite this climate, Wellman officials said they see a brighter future in strong partnerships with the companys direct and downstream customers, unique, value-added fibers that allow mills and manufacturers to sell their products advantageously and the power of a full-service organization.
Newly committed to a strategy of developing unique, value-added fibers, Wellman said it sees an opportunity that will give its mill, manufacturer and retail customers the ability to create products that will excite their customers and grow their businesses. Additionally, in mid-January Wellman totally reorganized its Fibers Group to support this strategy by enabling five separate new product teams to focus on bringing their specific product from concept to market in a more expedient time frame.
Whether it is innovative product extension of the core business to enhance productivity in a mill or an entirely new smart fiber, these teams concentrate solely on the process and product at hand, officials said. Working smart and efficiently, these teams research and develop their product, work throughout the chain of supply and market the product appropriately for end-users, Wellman officials contend.
Wellman, recognizing its position as an ingredients manufacturer, knows that working in partnership with its customers is a most successful strategy, according to a company spokesperson.
Fortrel has been a widely recognized brand of polyester in the workwear market for a very long time, said Choyce Johnson, Wellmans director of marketing. And, we are committed to working closely with our customers to constantly turn out new products for this end-use category.
In fact, Wellmans commitment to the workwear market generates exciting partnership opportunities, as in the case of the development of a 100 percent Fortrel polyester knitted shirt with excellent moisture management that meets all of the requirements of industrial laundries, Johnson added.
This partnership Wellman, Carolina Mills, Milliken & Co. and VF WorkWear resulted in a fabulous new product that holds up wash after wash, lasting longer and staying bright, colorful and comfortable throughout each washing, Johnson said.
Todays workwear customer is much more demanding about his work apparel, said Bill Wedekind, president, VF Workwear. So, comfort is a very important performance criteria. In our initial discussions with Wellman and Milliken, we challenged them to develop a fabric that was comfortable, with excellent color-retention and a long life. Through our collaborative efforts, this fabric was born, and today it is used in three different business units.
Another successful partnership between Wellman, Parkdale Mills and several knitters and weavers saw the launch of Sensura, and with that Wellman introduced a whole new body of chemistry. Sensura is a staple fiber that gives fabrics a sensual and soft hand and an extremely luxurious appearance.
According to the partners, Sensura is naturally comfortable and cotton-like; dyes deeper, holding color much longer and providing great stability throughout the life of the garment; dries twice as fast as cotton; and moves moisture through the microclimate between skin and clothing, transporting it to the surface where it quickly evaporates.
Currently being seen or soon to be seen at major retail stores, Sensura fabrics have been added to lines at manufacturers such as Dockers, Savane, Haggar, Champion and Eastern Mountain Sportswear.
New market opportunities are also important for success. With the introduction of Sensura late in 2000, Wellman realized that this fiber had perfect properties and aesthetics for the sock market. Officials reiterated that Sensura offers easy dyeability, superior softness and comfort, excellent shape retention and better moisture management it dries twice as fast as cotton.
Sensura feels like no other and internal wear tests, both for general use as well as for sporting events, proved the comfort is outstanding, company officials added.
Another excellent fiber for socks, a Wellman spokesperson added, is ComFortrel, a whiter-than-white fiber with superior breathability and pill resistance. Like Sensura, ComFortrel also has a soft hand and outstanding moisture management, perfect for active sports, the official said.
With Spunnaire, a super white, low-shrinkage fiber, Wellmans foray into the sock market is complete.
Continually expanding into the nonwovens market, Wellman is the fastest-growing fiber company in the industry today. Nonwoven technical fabrics, in particular, are well-suited to Wellmans partnership point-of-view. Working closely with its customers to completely understand requirements and expectations has been the successful formula for growth, a company executive said.
Especially significant in the past few years has been the growth in consumer products areas such as household wipes and personal hygiene products. Heavily supported with print and television advertising, these products fly off the shelves in supermarkets and drug stores around the world. Wellman fibers have been specifically engineered to be the backbone of these successfully marketed products.
Wellman is an active member of INDA, the Association of the Nonwoven Fabrics Industry, which goes by the motto Nonwovens Engineered Fabric Solutions.
Looking towards a future of innovative products and strong customer partnerships, Wellman officials said they are confident that the company can help play a positive part in a resurgence of successful American fiber and fabric programs in apparel, accessories, home furnishings and industrial markets.
Part 4
Editors note: In this, part 4 of our coverage of the Multi-State Textile Summit at Gaston College in Dallas, NC, on March 22, excerpted remarks by Chuck Hayes, chairman of Guilford Mills and immediate Past President of the American Textile Manufacturers Institute (ATMI), are published here. The comments of Hayes and other panelists are so pertinent, we deemed it appropriate to publish them, as a matter of public record for our readers, especially those in position to determine the future of this industry. Panelists are being spotlighted on a weekly basis.
You four governors represent states with significant textile production. As you know too well, your textile industry and its workers have been hit by unfairly priced imports from Asia. Over 80 textile mills have closed in your four states in the past two years and the job losses are over 100,000. Plant closings and job losses have been much greater across the entire textile industry.
Our own company, Guilford Mills, is a case study of what happened to our industry. Today, Guilford Mills is in Chapter 11. I started with that company 41 years ago and we have now shut down four plants and have laid off more than 4,000 people. And we may be one of the more fortunate companies because we have positioned ourselves with our creditors to emerge from the bankruptcy as a smaller but more viable company.
And I will say, and what some of the other speakers have said, as far as the banks are concerned in the state of North Carolina, there is no liquidity. They dont care whether you succeed or whether you fail. (Applause). There is no help from the lending institutions.
Those former Guilford workers, people who I have known for most of my professional career, are not going to find jobs very easily. That story is repeated throughout our industry.
I believe there are some important questions that need to be asked and answered and I understand the three of you are dedicated to finding the answers. Those questions seem to be, first, what caused this sudden loss of jobs and production in the U.S. textile industry and can anything be done about it? Second, what can be done to address the damages that already exist?
Fortunately, the answers to both of these questions are known and I would like to share our views about them with you.
The major reason for U.S. textile plant closings and job losses is the currency devaluations in 1997 across Asia and the financial meltdown that occurred. Countries from Pakistan to the Philippines devalued their currencies to extremely low levels compared to the U.S. dollar. In some cases, the devaluations occurred because currency traders recognized how undervalued these currencies were. In other cases, such as India and Pakistan, governments decided to match the devaluations of their Asia competitors in order to make their export share. Total, uneven playing field! And most price declines continue to this day.
You go into Wal-Mart, you will not see anything made in the USA. You will find stuff made in every foreign country that there is. ... Woven fabric prices from Asia have declined by 14 percent. Knit fabrics, which we make, have seen price declines of 38 percent. And yarn prices have dropped by more than 27 percent.
None of these price declines have occurred because our Asian competitors are working harder. Theyre not smarter or working on better machines. But these prices are driving our industry into the ground. Our government must do something about this. So I applaud you gentlemen for devoting your time and energy to this issue.
The problem can be addressed if our federal government is willing to take the necessary actions. And what are these actions? The Bush Administration and Republican leaders in the House of Representatives have gone on record that certain commitments to members of Congress will be fulfilled, that they will take action to address our industrys problems. Those commitments were made in December, but most of them still need to be implemented.
And let me just mention a few:
keep the quota phase-out schedule;
open foreign markets;
improve customs enforcement, which is miserable and lousy smuggling in this country has reached, the last I heard, $8 billion; and
require U.S. finishing and dyeing of U.S. fabrics in the CBI (legislation).
Yesterday, Commerce Secretary Donald Evans spoke to our annual meeting. He said that the administration will act to implement these commitments and I believe that he is truly working to see that these things happen. But not all of our government agencies are as enthusiastic or as committed to our issues as is Secretary Evans and his staff.
Therefore, we need to exert all the pressure that we can on our government to make these commitments a reality as soon as possible. So I urge you to convey your concerns to President Bush and to honor these commitments immediately.
Also, there is something more fundamental that we can do. I believe that we can convince the Bush Administration to take steps to correct the overvalued dollar. I was skeptical myself when this issue was first raised by the ATMI staff. But since then, I have become convinced that it can be done. And I know that Govs. (Mike) Easley (NC) and (Jim) Hodges (SC) have both taken action to urge the administration to do just that.
A powerful coalition has been formed in Washington with the sole purpose of trying to get the dollar down to a level that reflects real economic fundamentals. That coalition had a press conference yesterday and has garnered tremendous support as it puts pressure on the administration. Im happy to say that ATMI is one of the initial members of that coalition, but let me tell you who else is involved: The National Association of Manufacturers, with over 13,000 manufacturers across the country; and the AFL-CIO. Now, can you imagine when textiles joins the union, you know we are in trouble! For more than 50 years I fought the union. Now were welcoming them with open arms! ... And many others are part of this group.
I urge you to ask President Bush for the U.S. to work with our trading partners to correct the overvalued dollar. The U.S. did it in 1985. What they did was known as the Plaza Accord. And it can and should be done now. Hundreds of thousands of jobs have been lost because of the overvalued dollar and this leads to unfairly priced imports, because when the dollar is so strong, the imports come in here ... I mean, there are ships that dock in California and are going back empty. They can make such a profit by bringing that cheap crap into this country! (Applause). ...
After having said the above, I now would like to tell you exactly how I feel. History tells you that this industry has been nothing but a pawn in U.S. foreign policy. Whenever there is a problem with a country, we immediately give them additional quotas and/or reduced tariffs. That is called being a pawn.
The time has come where our industry can not longer be the pawn that is used by our government. There has to be other means of helping Third World nations without continuing to erode the textile industry in this country. (Applause).
Only recently are we getting and this is coming from Secretary Evans, who I do believe in the recognition that we deserve. Therefore, U.S. government can help to keep the momentum building. You can no longer stand by and let the textile industry be the pawn. Somewhere along the way, if we work together, we can be the king. That time is now.
Therefore, you carry my message to Washington and tell the president that you governors no longer want our industry treated as a pawn. We now want to be the king! There are other ways to help nations that do favors for the U.S. without continually eroding the entire U.S. textile business.
Keep in mind that every plant that shuts down, typically employees, many of whom are semi-illiterate individuals and many of whom are 50 years of age or older ... where are these people going to find jobs and how will they be retrained?
That whole system needs to be looked at and a modern approach needs to be taken. What I argue is that our industry needs a solid solution and it can only come from the United States government. That is the job for you governors. Move us from being pawns to being kings! (Standing ovation).
GREENSBORO, NC Continuing to concentrate its efforts on growing its fabrics business, bankrupt Burlington Industries announced that it is shedding two businesses in its residential products division.
The company has signed a definitive agreement with Richloom Fabrics Group, Inc. for the sale of Burlingtons residential upholstery business.
The company also announced it will sell to Bacova Guild, Ltd. its bath consumer products assets. Both sales would include certain inventories and intellectual properties.
These actions support our strategy and provide our Burlington House division a more effective and sustainable manufacturing base, said George W. Henderson III, chairman and CEO. These changes will allow us to focus our strong jacquard and decorative weaving capabilities on innovative products where we have a leadership position and bring distinction and value to the market.
Bacova Guild, a floor mat and accent rug maker based in Low Moor, VA, was previously owned by Burlington. The acquired Burlington business will operate as a division of Bacova and will sell under the Bacova® Bath and other brand names.
Kathy Fowlkes, who headed the business at Burlington, will join Bacova as business manager for bath.
Burlington previously announced the sale of its bedding and window consumer product businesses to Springs Industries.
TAMPA, FL Tropical Sportswear Intl Corporation said it is cutting 140 jobs as part of a consolidation plan.
The apparel manufacturer is consolidating the administrative, cutting and related functions of its Savane division from El Paso, TX, into its facility here.
The job cuts represent about 12 percent of the companys work force. About 60 employees in El Paso will be offered the chance to relocate here.
Tropical also announced the reorganization of its South Pacific division, including discontinuing production in factories in Fiji that are partially owned by the company. Product for the South Pacific division will be sourced globally through lower-cost, full-package imports.
WEST POINT, GA WestPoint Stevens, Inc. reported income of $2 million, or 4 cents a share, in the first quarter, bettering a First Call consensus estimate of a loss of 5 cents per share.
The company $10.9 million, or 10 cents a share, for the same period last year, which included a $5.8 million charge for restructuring.
Sales were up 4 percent to $435.1 million, from $418.6 million a year ago. Sales growth was driven by double-digit increases in accessory products, more than offsetting a modest decline in sheets and towels.
The company recorded bad debt expense of $2.6 million net of taxes in the quarter related to the Kmart Corporation bankruptcy filing.
ATLANTA Russell Corporation received a $325 million senior secured revolving credit facility from Fleet Capital Corporation.
The facility, which includes a five-year $300 million revolving credit facility and a five-year $25 million term loan, will be used to refinance existing debt and provide for ongoing working capital.
NEW YORK Fab Industries lost $677,000, or 13 cents per share, in the first quarter, compared to a loss of $1 million, or 20 cents, for the same period last year.
Sales declined to $14.3 million from $20 million.
CALHOUN, GA Mohawk Industries reported first-quarter earnings of $43.2 million, or 77 cents per share, on sales of $866 million, as 12 percent increase.
For the same period last year, the carpet and rug maker earned $27.2 million, or 51 cents a share.
WILMINGTON, DE CMI Industries Inc.s liquidation plan and proposal to sell its lone profitable business was approved by the U.S. Bankruptcy Court here.
Proceeds from the deal, valued at $24.4 million, will be used to pay unsecured creditors and equity holders.
WILMINGTON, DE Fruit of the Loom Ltd.s third amended reorganization plan has been rejected by four creditors. For various reasons, Travelers Casualty and Surety Co., the Travelers Indemnity Co., Transportation Insurance Co. and Continental Casualty and Continental Insurance Co. filed objections to the plan in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court here.
NORTH CHARLESTON, SC Polymer Group, Inc. has changed the date to May 24 for a special shareholders meeting, when it will be asked to approve various proposals to complete a financial restructuring.
SPARTANBURG, SC Fritz Legler, president of Sulzer Textile, Inc., reported that sizable orders have already been booked following the recent launch of the terry version of the companys G6300 rapier weaving machine.
The G6300 F is ideal for applications where top-quality terry fabrics with exclusive designs, as well as productivity, are called for, he said. This applies to the entire range of terry fabrics from heavy velours through towels in pre-set lengths to bulk terry in large orders, he added.
Using the swinging sley technology, coupled with the dynamic pile control, top-quality towels with attractive patterns can be woven, Legler said. The pile height can be freely and electronically programmed and varied from one pick group to another. The maximum reed break is 24 mm, which enables the production of exclusive terry fabrics with high and dense piles.
Furthermore, the type of loop formation is also programmable and it is possible to switch at any time between 3-, 4-, 5-, 6- and 7-pick terry.
Based on the proven technology of the G6300 rapier weaving machine, high insertion rates can be achieved on this terry version, thus reducing the productivity gap between airjet and rapier machines significantly, Legler noted.
Adding the superior versatility of rapier machines over airjets, the G6300 terry should be an interesting proposition to the U.S. industry, he said.
Available in seven working widths, from 220 cm to 360 cm (85" to 143"), maximum cost-efficiency and towel-width configurations are attainable, Legler said.
CLIFFSIDE, NC The Cone Mills Denim Plant here has ordered its second Quickwash Plus System after finding that its first unit helped to improve the efficiency of its denim manufacturing process, according to Cone officials.
The completely vertical plant turns bales of cotton into finished rolls of denim for shipment to cutters. Cone managers said they expect the additional machine, designed to speed testing of fabric dimensional stability and other properties, to further help the plant reduce its denim re-runs.
In the past, plant re-runs were extremely time-consuming. They required a trip to the warehouse, the cutting of a two-yard fabric sample, followed by three washings in a conventional home washing machine per AATCC 135 standards.
The Quickwash Plus unit, manufactured by Raitech, provides tremendous savings because only seven inches of fabric is required for testing and wash times are reduced from 12 hours to 30 minutes, according to Raitech officials.
Quickwash Plus has developed into a key instrument for denim manufacturers in Europe and South America, as well as the U.S., said J. Mark Raiteri, Raitech president and CEO. Were proud that Cone Mills is finding it so useful here in the U.S.
Cliffside is the second Cone facility to acquire Quickwash Plus units. The companys Carlisle, SC, finishing plant bought a unit several years ago and has reported highly satisfactory results, Raiteri said.


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The developers I encountered so far love to trow prototypes away but
refactoring is generally seen as a waste of time by the management - if it
seems sellable, it's good enough. Time constraints. 20-80 percent rule,
blahblah. In the company I work for now, we made the management sign an
agreement with the projectteam to allow us to trow away the entire pilot
version of the product we're working on.
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Verzonden: maandag 27 oktober 2003 0:40
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Onderwerp: Re: [interactionarchitects] Re: process ... the next
In general, designers tend to see prototypes as exploratory - something
to be thrown away. Whereas, developers and engineers tend to see
prototypes, or use prototypes, as a path to the final product - which
is not their original intent. From the discussions I've had with
engineers over the years, it seems that some of the rationale behind
this is that they tend to have a hard time throwing away something
they've put so much time into. They seem to have a harder time throwing
away prototypes than designers do.
Cooper also hits on this in "The Inmates..."
On Oct 26, 2003, at 6:08 PM, John O'Donovan wrote:
> RUP (Rational Unified Process) organises prototypes like this:
> "You can view prototypes in two ways: what they explore; and how they
> evolve
> or what is their outcome.
> In the context of the first view - what they explore - there are two
> main
> kinds of prototypes:
> A behavioral prototype, which focuses on exploring specific behavior
> of the
> system.
> A structural prototype, which explores some architectural or
> technological
> concerns.
> In the context of the second view - their outcome - there are also two
> kinds
> of prototypes:
> An exploratory prototype, which is thrown away when done, also called a
> throw-away prototype.
> An evolutionary prototype, which gradually evolves to become the real
> system. "
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The third postgraduate workshop on research on the city will take place on Friday 28 November 2003 in the Centre for Urban History, University of Leicester, UK. As in previous years this is a forum for graduates to present their work and, in an informal environment, get feedback, experience, and begin to develop their own networks.
Proposals are invited for papers exploring any aspect of 'Networking the City', in any time period (antiquity to contemporary) and any geographical area. Possible themes which could be addressed include:


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Rep. Kawasaki's Juneau Note: Public Testimony on HB 3001: Oil & Gas Production Tax
April 25, 2012Dear Neighbors, I have just been notified that public testimony on HB 3001 will be heard tomorrow morning at 9am in the House Resources Committee. While this is news to me, I wanted to be sure you have the information you need to participate in this important discussion. Speak up in two ways: Read More →


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Very important poll
Social Situations
> Very important poll
July 14, 2004, 06:17 PM
This newspaper is trying to knock out the female Rep who authored the right to carry bill in Minnesota. Rep. Boudreau needs of support. Please vote "no" in the poll at the bottom of the page. http://www.faribault.com/
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July 14, 2004, 06:42 PM
July 14, 2004, 06:45 PM
Done. Two-thirds against the judge, one-third in favor.
July 14, 2004, 06:54 PM
30% -yes,agree
70% -no,disagree
157 votes
Gordon Fink
July 14, 2004, 07:31 PM
The trouble is that the concealed-carry law is unconstitutional, even though we may like it.
~G. Fink
July 14, 2004, 07:32 PM
75% no with 191 votes.
July 14, 2004, 08:01 PM
a word
July 14, 2004, 08:32 PM
12% for 88% against 388 votes;)
July 14, 2004, 09:50 PM
tell us about your gunny interests.
July 14, 2004, 10:18 PM
I voted 'no' on this;
Do you agree with the judge who declared the conceal/carry law is unconstitutional?
Please select one:
And when I clicked Vote, it went to this;
The Daily News Poll
Poll Result
What impact do you think the Shaq trade will have on the L.A. Lakers?
They'll immediately stop being contenders.
They'll continue to be dominant.
No effect.
Shaq what?
Total Voters: 1
July 14, 2004, 10:24 PM
The trouble is that the concealed-carry law is unconstitutional, even though we may like it.
~G. Fink
want to explain that fink. from what I have read the judge was in the wrong because the way it was passed was not as under the table as it had to be to be ruled unconstitutional. few sites and minnesota state posters pointed it out.
July 14, 2004, 10:44 PM
Apparently, when the "no" vote got over 90%, the editors pulled the poll. Minnesota liberals "can't handle the truth."
July 15, 2004, 04:38 AM
Apparently, the guy voted at two AM (or thereabouts) and it's a DAILY NEWS POLL. It's all a conspiracy. :rolleyes:
July 15, 2004, 07:55 AM
I think the same thing happend on the KTTC poll. I think that got pulled when we land slided it. as for the law that the ccw was attached to, the bill had to do with resident and non resident permits for hunting ( guns are used even handguns and I pack while hunting ) and several other permits. only the title said DNR on it and if that was changed on the senate floor to a bill appling to permits for residents and non residents there would not be a problem. the part of law that is in question is to keep bills from being snuck in last minute without the public knowing about them. how could a bill that set a record in the MN senate for the longest discussion ever held on the floor, had an article in every news paper and tv news show for months before be considered snuck in???? the can of worms that would be opened if all bills that were attached in a simular manner were over turned, that is 150 years of laws that are ripe to go away.
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