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Fern Ulmer of Lodge is looking for a recipe for a cooked chocolate frosting that she clipped from a Woman's Day magazine some 50 years ago. It calls for three egg yolks and unsweetened chocolate squares as part of the ingredients.
Now, why would anyone bother making frosting these days when it's readily available in a can at the supermarket?
If you've ever tasted a really good, all-from-scratch cake with chocolate frosting, you'll get it. It's just not the same.
Not all home cooks are created equal, so that doesn't guarantee instant superiority when it comes to cakes, from scratch or not. And there are numerous variations on chocolate frosting, I might add.
But I will say that, among the older generations at least, there was a certain pride in being able to make a great cake, frosting included, and it was just fine if everybody talked about it, too. That was a badge of honor in the sweet-toothed South where I grew up (but not exclusive to the region by any means).
So, we did hear from a couple of readers who offered recipes. And then I pulled Nancie McDermott's "Southern Cakes" cookbook down from my bookshelf and felt a little faint after looking at some of the photos and recipes. More on that later.
Mollie Wilkinson of James Island says she's had this recipe for years and years. "I think this would be the one she is looking for. I have used it to frost three split cake layers."
While she hasn't made it lately, she says the cake with the frosting always was a big hit.
Chocolate Frosting
3 squares unsweetened chocolate
2 cups sugar
1/8 teaspoon salt
3 beaten egg yolks
1 large (12-ounce) can evaporated milk
1 stick butter or margarine
1 teaspoon vanilla extract
Combine all ingredients except vanilla and cook slowly, stirring until thick, about 20 minutes. Cool. Add vanilla.
Susan Hartry of West Ashley found this recipe in her 1950 edition of "Charleston Receipts."
The term "bitter cake chocolate" has fallen out of use but it means unsweetened chocolate.
"This is a receipt from the famous Theus family of bakers. The Theus trio came to Charleston from New Orleans. They sold cookies and cakes, pies and pastries here in the 1870s and '80s. Even in those days their special cake, which had to be ordered days in advance, cost three dollars! — and you furnished your own quart of cream! This chocolate icing was for a lesser cake, but as far as my knowledge goes, this is the only receipt of theirs which has survived."
Submitted to "Charleston Receipts" by Mrs. Clements Ripley (Katherine Ball).
Chocolate Icing
1 cup granulated sugar
4 tablespoons (approximately) cream
¼ pound bitter cake chocolate (unsweetened)
1/8 pound butter
Pinch salt
2 egg yolks, beaten
1 tablespoon vanilla essence (imitation or extract )
Dissolve sugar in cream. Add chocolate, butter and salt. Cook very slowly until all ingredients are dissolved. (Beginners may wish to use a double boiler.) Add beaten egg yolks by first pouring hot mixture over them and then returning to saucepan. Continue to cook very slowly — do not boil — until mixture is thick. This will be about five minutes.
Remove from stove. Add vanilla essence and beat until cool enough to spread on cake. This will ice, thickly, a two-layer cake.
So I'm circling back around to the "Southern Cakes" book which, in the middle of an ordinary work day, has stirred up an almost obsessive craving for homemade cake.
"Southern Cakes" came out in 2007 (Chronicle) and is authored by Nancie McDermott, who was born and raised in North Carolina. But this cookbook is more than eye candy; it's full of recipes for old-fashioned cakes that will conjure up glorious food memories.
This is just one example, with a word of caution: The chocolate icing will not work on a rainy day.
Sybil Pressly's Buttermilk Cake With Old-Time Fudge Icing
Serves 6 to 8
For the cake:
3 cups all-purpose flour
2 teaspoons baking powder
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/2 teaspoon baking soda
1 cup (2 sticks) softened butter
2 cups sugar
4 eggs
1 cup buttermilk (see cook's note)
1 teaspoon vanilla extract
For the fudge icing:
3 squares (1 ounce each) unsweetened chocolate or 1/2 cup cocoa
3 cups light brown sugar
2 tablespoons light corn syrup
1/8 teaspoon salt
1 cup evaporated milk or half-and-half
2 tablespoons butter
1 teaspoon vanilla extract
Cook's note: If you don't have buttermilk, stir 1 tablespoon of vinegar or lemon juice into 1 cup of milk and let stand for 10 minutes.
Preheat oven to 375 degrees. Grease and flour 3 (8-inch) round cake pans.
In a medium bowl, combine the flour, baking powder, salt and baking soda and stir with a fork to mix well. In a large bowl, combine the softened butter and the sugar, and beat with a mixer at high speed until very light, fluffy and smooth, 6 to 8 minutes.
Add the eggs, 1 at a time, beating well after each one. Add about 1/3 of the flour mixture, and then half the milk, beating at low speed just until the flour or milk disappears. Mix in another third of the flour, followed by the rest of the milk, and then the rest of the flour in the same way. Stir in the vanilla, and divide the batter among the 3 prepared cake pans.
Bake at 375 degrees for 20 to 25 minutes, until the cakes are golden brown and spring back when touched lightly in the center. Cool the cakes in the pans on wire racks or on folded kitchen towels for 10 minutes. Then turn out the cakes onto wire racks or plates, top side up, to cool completely.
To make the frosting, first place a bowl of ice water and metal spoon by the stove. Place 1 cake layer, top side down, on a cake stand or serving plate. Have the other two layers handy so that you can ice the cake as soon as the icing is ready.
Break the chocolate squares into big chunks, and then combine them in a medium heavy saucepan with the brown sugar, corn syrup, salt and evaporated milk.
Bring everything to a boil over medium heat, stirring often to help melt the chocolate and prevent it from sticking and burning. Continue cooking the icing at a gentle boil until it reaches the soft-ball stage. This means a generous dollop of the icing dropped into cold water forms a soft little clump, which can be rolled between your fingers into a tiny ball.
The temperature on a candy thermometer will read 236 to 240 degrees.
Remove pan from heat. Without stirring, add the butter and vanilla to pan on top of icing and let cool to lukewarm. Then, mix it at medium speed until it loses its shine and thickens enough to spread on the cake.
Quickly cover the first cake layer with icing, and place second layer on top of it, top side down. Cover it with icing, and the place the third layer over the second, top side up. Pour icing over the cake and quickly spread it over the sides and top. If the icing hardens while you're working, add a little milk and stir well to soften it again.
Who's got the recipe?
Pam Kilpatrick asked if we could get the recipe for the key lime pie sold at Simmons Seafood on Isle of Palms. She says she has tried many different recipes, but cannot match the creaminess. I did contact the owners and not surprisingly, they said the recipe is a guarded family secret. However, if any readers have recipes for extra-creamy key lime pies, we still may be able to help Pam.
Looking for a recipe or have one to share? Reach Features Editor Teresa Taylor at email@example.com or 937-4886.


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The iOS Maps fiasco is not hindering iPhone 5 sales
0. phoneArena 01 Oct 2012, 07:09 posted on
Although many would have thought that the problems and media buzz surrounding Apple's notorious iOS 6 maps would stop some people from buying the iPhone 5, it looks like no one really cares that much...
This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here
1. Peter98 (Posts: 119; Member since: 01 Aug 2012)
Improvement is always welcome.
13. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1236; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
improvement is always welcome but it doesn't give a company the right to sell crap to its customers. If a product is in beta dont release it commercially, invite developers to improve upon it and then release it.
Flying off shelves...yeah reight those anal-ysts can keep telling themselves that! Where are the numbers apple used to pride itself on?
19. biophone (Posts: 1956; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Android releases beta stuff all the time too. More then apple does actually.
23. PowTheBowl (Posts: 86; Member since: 19 Apr 2012)
The bad thing about Apple is that they don't tell people that the Apple Maps is beta, thinking that it is the final product, if it was called beta then it'll be understandable.
25. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1236; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
same goes for siri...
26. PowTheBowl (Posts: 86; Member since: 19 Apr 2012)
nah, Apple announced it was beta :)
35. biophone (Posts: 1956; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
That guys original comment said nothing about stating if it beta or not. He said beta is wrong apple came out with a beta product therefore they are wrong. By his own logic then android does beta and are shameless for selling incomplete products to customers.
My feelings are there is nothing wrong with beta when only done when necessary with big projects.
Lastly tim cook apologized for the maps being a beta product and its not like users who bought the phone didn't have alternatives which he pointed out.
57. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1236; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
for a phone that costs USD $700 to a whooping USD $1764 depending on which country you're in...I would say Tim cook and apple aint doing enough buddy.
I f I paid top dollar for a product I shouldn't be having to look for alternatives in any aspect....period!
Android does release beta, they announce it too and they make sure no major essential service activity is affectd. Small apps in bets is fine...nothing worong with it.
Apple my friend released a faulty maps app...which is an essential service, same goes for wi-fi bug and don't even get me started on their hardware...nicks and scratches out of the box??? Wht their hardware is in beta too? :)
Apple has lost its thunder.
67. biophone (Posts: 1956; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
1)wi-fi problem fixes already being sent out..
2) Nicks etc are a rare problem out of the box. Atleast this phone is durable. Who cares if it may scratch a bit if it doesn't break easily.
3) google releases major products in beta when released google maps was beta. Flagships phone also had major software problems. For example the galaxy nexus.
4) iphone is priced similar to competition.
74. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
yea dude you're missing the ENTIRE point about this argument.........apple is getting looked down on because they were.......and you can believe still are trying.......to be that company that is full of pride lies and other negative stuff.......The things that is happening to them is also true that android has been there at the beggining, like you said........But again you are missing the point apple is being brought low from their prideful mindset as if they are perfect all the time.....while these things that are happening to them are fixable they still have to be made the same as the competition out there or maybe even lower than them.......justice will be served..... peace
73. noim1 (Posts: 297; Member since: 15 May 2012)
well thats just goes to proving How Dumb iPhone owners are and how a.pl is ripping them off....its such a pity...
27. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1236; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
you're right bu the difference is that android may have apps in beta which by the way are still more functional than iOS apps...BUT at least android releasing any major essential service in beta or a weirdly non-functional way...apps i can bite no problem but major services i just cant...Apple needs a clean up on aisle 7
48. biophone (Posts: 1956; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Android does major services in beta as well. Major services are more understandable since they are large undertakings. It took google maps 7 years to get where it is today. Maps won't get there on its first swing. Thats just unrealistic.
51. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)
and google still labels maps in beta. thats the difference
58. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1236; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
and those maps in beta are still awesome :) Thats innovation!
better than any other maps app you'd find
52. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)
you are right. its not realistic to think that apple maps can be as good as google/nokia but it happened because apple made it a really big deal. they removed google maps and dint even labeled it in beta. i really dint like steve jobs but i am sure if he was running the show he would have never allowed this.
68. biophone (Posts: 1956; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
They had too they couldn't keep on lettin google get its users location data. Steve jobs most likely started this up. Maps most likely have been a work in project for a while.
28. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the difference is Google labels it as a beta, where Apple markets it as "the worlds most powerful mapping service", which even if it worked properly, would still be a lie out of their ass. Seriously, what feature makes it 'the worlds best/most powerful"? Even at 100% function it has about 1/3rd of the functions and depth of Google maps.. at best.
31. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1236; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
I think Apple company is a beta!
I mean what company makes the main selling point of a device (iPhone 4S) to be a beta software and then follows it up with another dumb-a$$ move by making Apple Maps one of the main the selling point of iPhone 5? (oh thier screen is still in beta it seems they haven't decided on the right 'size')
But hey guys you know what's even more troubling...people who wanna buy it beacause of the beta stuff and pretend to be cool...disturbing :)
36. biophone (Posts: 1956; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Maps was more of minor selling point. The major selling points are thinner, lighter, LTE, screen, awesome metallic design, and updates to Siri.
37. PowTheBowl (Posts: 86; Member since: 19 Apr 2012)
Apple bragged how awesome the Apple Maps were at the announcement and could have been Apple's major selling point.
69. biophone (Posts: 1956; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
could have yes. but it isn't.
41. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)
"The major selling points are thinner, lighter, LTE, screen, awesome metallic design, and updates to Siri."
are you serious ?
47. biophone (Posts: 1956; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Click through the slide show those are the major selling points. I forgot to mention the A6 chip though. Maps was more of a minor one. Having navigation and flyover where the two biggest selling points of maps.
42. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
The Etch-a-Sketch back too ya?
55. Ivan6479 (Posts: 249; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
"Maps was more of minor selling point. The major selling points are thinner, lighter, LTE, screen, awesome metallic design, and updates to Siri."
Yeah because who really needs maps right? Lol Sorry man you need to get in touch with reality. If maps was minor I don't think Apple would have spent all of the money and time to get this new mapping system up and running. Ditching Google maps a year before there contract up was a huge deal. Unfortuanetly they just failed epically.
62. biophone (Posts: 1956; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
maps is a major feature of a phone but not a major selling point of the phone. If it worked well it might have been.
59. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1236; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
not to mention nicks and scratches, no natural voice recognition to siri (nice update), wi-fi bug, purple smudges, static lines in ketboard, non-hd screen...you're right awesome selling points :)
40. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)
can you tell one single thing please which was a main selling point/feature of an android flagship and was as bad as apple maps ?
Google still labels its maps as beta despite being on of the best.
49. biophone (Posts: 1956; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Thunderbolt was an Android flagship that I bought and LTE was its major selling point. That half a day of battery life I got from that phone because of LTE forced me to return it. And maps was a selling point but wasn't even in the top 5 though.
53. Ivan6479 (Posts: 249; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Yeah that's understandable, but Google has had its maps with turn-by-turn working just fine for years now. Why buy a product that is still in beta stages, when you can have something that has been succcessful for years. ;)
54. biophone (Posts: 1956; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
You don't google maps>imAps. But a phone is more then just maps.
56. Ivan6479 (Posts: 249; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Of course a phone is more than just maps, and truthfully Android devices simply have more to offer that an iPhone plain and simple. With an iPhone you get the same boring interface you guys have had since the first iPhone with some minor tweaks here and there. With an Android device the software is nothing like its original platform and it offers way more personalization than an iPhone does, not to mention a lot more a lot more features that actually work.
63. biophone (Posts: 1956; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
its personal preference what phone is best for you. No one is better then the other.
80. Ivan6479 (Posts: 249; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Clearly you haven't seen the Galaxy S III.
44. Vinayakn73 (Posts: 191; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)
blah blah blooooosh. fussssssss Dhooooom. flussssss. kat pat dusssssssss
2. wendygarett (unregistered)
Actually it's not ok....
My country has no colour during satellite on iPhone4s Apple maps :( and it's pretty lame...
Please fix it, my lovely Apple...
43. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Showing your country in B&W is just because Apple couldn't get color photos - they were too cheap when they negotiated the license to the data.
BTW, what is your country?
3. Scyllax (unregistered)
Tell that to those repeated buyers,
45. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Notice how the only sales results that have been reported are the 5 - 6 million opening weekend sales? There are rumors that Apple is having trouble with supply of the iP5. If you can't produce the iP5, you can't sell it.
Another indicator of supply availability is backlog of un-filled orders. Right now, the iP5 is on 3 to 4 week backlog in the U.S.
4. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4833; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Yeah but it's STILL not meeting its numbers. Customer satisfaction is going down & down. Also the iPhone 5 suffers from a HUGE number of defects, like screen light leakage, Wi-Fi problems, & damaged/scratched BRAND NEW units. The build design is bad because the unit is so easily ruined by VERY minor scratches & dings.
Also lets not forget the EXTREMELY buggy iOS6.
Apple's stock is taking a plunge because of all of this.
7. cj100570 (Posts: 204; Member since: 12 May 2009)
It's not meeting who's numbers? Some analyst? It's surely meeting the numbers set by Apple being as that they're selling them as fast as they can get them into retail outlets.
Every product is released with bugs/defects. It's all a matter of how sever and whether the mass media jumps on them that determines whether it becomes a public spectacle.
And as for Apple's stock, it's at $667 right now. There are few stocks that can claim the honor of trading above $600. Sure, it's down from the $700 of a few weeks ago but that's how the market works; it goes up and down. Google is at $754 which is down from $759. By your logic satisfaction with Google products must be falling.
I'm an Android fan through and through, I will never use anything Apple, but even I can appreciate that the iPhone 5 is the best selling phone at this point in time and will probably best the Galaxy S III in short order. Apple fans are rabid and will buy the phone off cache alone. A few issues aren't going to affect sales in any major way.
14. cfprelude (Posts: 137; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
You point out Apple's approx 5% decrease in stock over the past few weeks (significant) and then compare that to the less than 0.5% decrease of google (almost non existent) and argue logic? By THAT logic Google's is "flat" while people are significantly dipleased with Apple..... that being said, the logic was flawed in the first place and stocks have never been a good judge of customer satisafaction or even launch projections.
I work for a copmpany who has ordered about 3k new iphone 5's but i can promise you more than half wish that we supported Android and dont think the iphone 5 is some mystical phone but instead we appreciate its significantly better than the 4 and 4s now that it at least has LTE. so ya, numbers can be very misleading any way you try to dice the data.
17. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4833; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
First of all you are over thinking this out. Yes stocks go up & they go down. That is very simple & it happens to be logical.
What I am stating are facts. Apple's iPhone 5 & iOS6 have blatant problems. Also customer satisfaction is going down because of these problems.
Analysts in many well respected institutions, who know WAY more about this than you & I say Apple is not meeting expectations. I mean it's out there just Google it. Their words do mean something, not everything has to come from Apple. Other institutions opinions are VALID. Plus we all have the right to opine.
Apple's stock is DIRECTLY impacted by what I am stating NOT because stocks go up & down. Google's stock is consistent & faring well. Apple stock has been hit & will keep getting hit because of these issues. Apple fans are grumbling. All the money people paid for their docks & other apparatuses for their old iPhone's are now void because they will not work with the iPhone 5 because Apple decided that their old proprietary connections were not good enough for the iPhone 5. So people will now have to REBUY everything they had before or get a NEW connector to make their old stuff work. People don't like that. Thus customer satisfaction going down, sales are not in the same level of the iPhone 4S & as a result hurting stock value. It all correlates.
Apple thinks that their fans will buy anything they feed them & are seeing some backlash from that mentality.
Also this week there should be more issues that will come up because Apple's product looks to have been rushed & the level of quality & innovation is what is hurting Apple's stock not the normal up & downs that we see in Wall Street.
+1 to cfprelude, GREAT POINTS!
21. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)
While iAgree with you completely iAlso agree with the Munster (imagine going through life with that name, no wonder he sucks up to Apple; he's desperate to belong to something). Regardless of how disappointing or inferior an iDud is, "they" (and by "they" iMean those little cute and fluffy grazing mAmmAls) will always buy the latest (and not so greatest) just so they can say iGot my new iPhone, it's so cool and revolutionary; I love the tremendously huge new screen and SiRi now is more responsive (like in those Awesome commercials with a Needs-to-get-A-liFe John Malkovich) and my camera is also niNe tiMes better and OMG LTE (iKnow that the little green guy's platform had LTE back in December of 2010 and Sprint's EVO in June of 2010) iNever iMagiNed that LTE made such a huge difference.
And, when it comes to Maps, we don't need Maps; with or without Maps we are still iLost.
What I'm trying to say is, regardless of how pathetically blundered an iPhone can be, Apple's iCult will still buy it because it's "coooooool" and iOMG it's the best thing since the hoola-hoop.
30. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4833; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Well you are correct as always. There will be people who WILL buy poo if it had an Apple logo. Those misguided people we can't help. But more & more average Apple customers who want & deserve better are opening their eyes & are now looking at Android.
32. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Aye.. I myself recall being a huge Apple fan - after buying the iPhone 4 and all. But come WWDC 2011 and Apple did not introduce homescreen widgets - my faith in them started to fade. After watching numerous YouTube vids and seeing what Android is capable of - I quickly changed sides.
Luckily, I sold my iPhone 4 and bought me a GS3 - and am now one happy happy man. I've been having the phone for a week now, but still at the customization stage - experimenting with launchers, widgets, etc etc. :D
38. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4833; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Wow going from an iPhone 4 to a Samsung Galaxy S III must feel like you time traveled into the future. I am so glad you are loving Android. Your phone will become EPIC once Android 4.1.1 Jelly Bean graces the BEASTLY GS3.
46. TalkingTechy (Posts: 97; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)
Funny, I was in the same situation as you, ilia1986. I jumped to the GS3 and loved it in the honeymoon stage. After having it for 1 month, I realized there were things I couldn't live without after leaving iPhone.
Read my blog "Android and Galaxy S3 Loves and Woes" for more and let me know if you agree:
Thanks for reading!
61. ilia1986 (unregistered)
SuperEvo - aye - this is a whole lot different. :)
TalkingTechy - well I must say that most of the things you mentioned - I experienced them myself.
To be frank - some of the things you mentioned - are exclusive to the GS3, some are because you're hooked into the Apple ecosystem - while others are truly legitimate.
However - this is Android. It's open source. It can do anything. I am certain that due time all these issues can be easily mitigated. :)
64. TalkingTechy (Posts: 97; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)
Thanks for reading ilia1986!
I agree that possibly all these issues can be worked out in time. I'm sure I will revisit Android once again in two years, but until then, I know I'll be happy with the iPhone 5.........maps or no maps. :-)
60. good2great (Posts: 1042; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
you make awesome points... but where i disagree is your view that android is the "eye-opener"... why is android put on this platform that its the savior of apple followers?
isn't this pretty much putting them in the same situation? sheep flocking to a new sheppard?
why can't iFans open their eyes and choose blackberry or windows phone?
this android/apple war is wrong on both sides...
you guys tear down apple but at the same time glorify android... in my opinion... thats the same thing HATE & LOVE are similar
65. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4833; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Yeah but I am talking about the regular Apple customer who since 2007 has had the SAME iOS. Also that customer who is not happy with the same basic design from 2010's Apple iPhone 4. Those are the people who are looking at Android.
The crazy fanatics or i$heep will buy Apple no matter what, even though some are starting to wake up from their daze.
66. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)
you have a valid point but google never say that Android is magical or is the best. and no company apart from apple, sue over things scroll or pinch to zoon or rounded corner.
i am a google/android fan but i want MS/Nokia?RIM to succeed too. choice is always good for consumer but apple wants to eliminate competition by unfair means.
i hate apple
5. MeoCao (unregistered)
This is not the way to do survey, obviously Apple pays that guy Munster to say good things about Apple.
They should ask people if the scandal affect their buying decision.
6. JamesHunt (Posts: 37; Member since: 01 Oct 2012)
It proves that sheeps never complain about the quality of foddwr provided to them by their masters..
8. mercorp (Posts: 1027; Member since: 28 Jan 2012)
Because they think they are smart alecs....
9. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
let it keep selling like hotcakes. Let Apple keep selling to consumers that are unaware of its massive defects in maps. Wait till they use it. The complaint train is only starting to leave the station. The more people that buy the i5 the farther the complaint train will go. I know peeps that have the i5, and I've asked each one of them how maps was.. and they all said "its awesome, its apple" (aka, they havent used it). I've told em to nav to things I know were wrong like the sears tower and such and they were all dumbfounded.
Now imagine your about to take a major cross country trip somewhere and your using your iMaps for the first time. It takes you all over the place, wrong way down one way roads, ect. How fast do u think they will go back to apple and complain about their near death experiences. Pretty quickly.
Just wait. iMaps drama is just getting started. Cook was smart to come out and write his letter, because now they have something to point to so they can say they are still working out the kinks, instead of SJ's normal anti-customer blather.
10. PowTheBowl (Posts: 86; Member since: 19 Apr 2012)
Oh well, at least there are third party maps in the App Store, but even with those maps, I'd rather choose Google Maps because I'm mostly familiar with it.
15. cfprelude (Posts: 137; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
i'm a huge Google Maps fan but just for s**ts and giggles i did a test over the weekend and searched for 10 of the places i normally go every month (not small tiny places either: Mcdonalds, chilis, a couple work addresses, etc) and google maps finds all 10 (not suprising), mapquest (which i like pretty well) found 8 of 10, waze found 8 of 10 and apple maps i hate to say found 10 of 10. Obviously it has some major errors (widely publicized) but i think its biggest mistake is not to offer turn by turn voice directions to the iphone 4.... map quest and waze work just fine with voice and i'll take a few mistakes here and there to have the safety of it talking to me instead of my staring at a screen. Apple couldve mostly won me over with voice integration for more than just the 4s and 5.


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Cross Country Places 10th At MAC Championship
BUFFALO, N.Y. - - The Ball State cross country team's top five runners combined for an average time of 23:15.0 to place 10th of 12 teams at the 2012 Mid-American Conference Championships hosted by Buffalo at Beaver Island State Park Saturday morning.
Senior MaryKate Mellen (Michigan City, Ind./Michigan City) paced the Cardinals for the 12th consecutive meet, placing 29th overall with a 6K time of 22:29.0. The 29th-place effort was Mellen's best career finish in the league's premier event.
No. 20 Toledo won the meet for the third consecutive season with a MAC-record 12-team score of 24, as its top five runners all placed in the top eight. Ohio's Julie Accurso won the 6K meet with a clocking of 20:48.4.
Following the Rockets in the team standings were Miami (81), Ohio (92), Central Michigan (124), Eastern Michigan (144), Akron (178), Buffalo (179), Bowling Green (206), Kent State (213), BSU (267), Northern Illinois (277) and Western Michigan (337).
Following Mellen, Ball State's next two runners were freshman Katelyn DeVries (Valparaiso, Ind./Valparaiso) and sophomore Courtney Edon (New Palestine, Ind./New Palestine) who each posted career-best 6K efforts with times of 22:47.5 (44th) and 22:49.4 (45th), respectively.
Rounding out Ball State's scored runners were senior Emilee Zets (Berlin Center, Ohio/West Branch) in 74th with a time of 24:03.9 and junior Esther Tirado (Lafayette, Ind./Jefferson) in 75th with a clocking of 24:04.8.
Also running, but not scoring for the Cardinals were sophomore Caitlynn Edon (New Palestine, Ind./New Palestine) and freshman Kelly Swift (West Lafayette, Ind./Jefferson) with career-fast times of 24:14.5 and 24:19.8, respectively.The Ball State cross country team returns to action Friday, Nov. 9, when select members of the squad travels to Madison, Wis., for the 2012 Great Lakes Regional hosted by Wisconsin at the Zimmer Championship Course.


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5 Physical Traits That Determine if a Character Is Evil
#3. Facial Hair
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There is nothing so willfully telling as facial hair in movies. "Hey, look at me!" says the character with a mustache that makes him look tight-lipped, "I will betray Hunky McHero in the second act!" As with scars, placement counts. Is your beard connected to your mustache? Is either attached to the sideburns?
Can you guess which of these Cracked editors will betray the team once the Omega Device is safely aboard the cargo plane?
If you're a guy and you grow facial hair, the cut and trim will label you clearly to the world. The reason for this is a combination of our society's preconceptions:
1. It's an internal barometer. The amount of work a character puts into maintaining his facial hair says a lot about his ability to manage a schedule. How many times has a movie used a beard to let you know that time has passed for a guy? Why do you think House M.D. and Elementary feature scruff-muffins? It's not because switching from an English accent to an American one tricks your internal clock into thinking you only have a noon o'clock shadow. It's because they're frazzled geniuses too busy decoding the world to slow down and do basic upkeep, but also because these are, in concept, antisocial nerds, so they need a bit of grizzle to sell their authority. Without it, they're just know-it-alls. Speaking of which ...
2. Hairiness = Manliness = Toughness. It takes manly chemicals like testosterone and fuzztrogen to produce a beard. You're shoving keratin through your face like it's no big deal, as if you've got protein to spare, when we both know that's a big waste of resources for your body. So this tells the audience that a character is naturally tough, booming with androgens and eating steaks for breakfast, because you can't tell him what to do, Mom.
3. The cut itself is the complement to point No. 2's natural forces. This is where we see what a character does with the plumage allotted to him. If No. 1 is the character's accountability to himself, this is the statement he chooses to make to the world. Here's John Turturro as a clean-shaven, twerpy black ops director in Transformers:
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And here's Bumblebee, doing to him what this movie did to the franchise.
Now here's John Turturro as a creepy late-night bowler and pederast in The Big Lebowski:
Never trust a man in a leisure suit.
Obviously there's a whole lot of acting and wardrobe going on here to distinguish these characters, and in The Big Lebowski's case, even some directing. But no government agent would rise to the top of his sector with Jesus' chin beard and fadeaway 'stache (just as comedies prefer their perverts to have them). His facial hair makes him a clownish freak who we can laugh at rather than fear, because we can recognize and avoid him.
The loose guide to how Hollywood sees your beard is something like this:
Flourishing: You are a juggernaut. Whether erratic or dependable, manic or mute, a guy with a full beard is a force to be reckoned with. Or there may be snow in your beard, indicating that you have just returned from exile in the frozen North -- the only environment befitting of your loss.
Neatly manicured: People will try to guess which class of sex offender you are. Also popular among sleazy bosses and the villainous underling Bruce Willis kills 40 minutes into the movie.
Neatly manicured, but Tony Stark: Special exception for Iron Man, who is nevertheless a sleazy boss who doesn't take "no" for an answer.
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"Oh -- if you'll excuse me, I've been summoned to another sexual harassment hearing."
Unkempt: Unemployed and not worried about it.
Unkempt and uneven: You goddamn hipster, what are you, too indie for hormones?
Cultivated 19th century mustache: Hipster again, but owns the coffee shop or has a great job in graphic design.
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Either way, you're probably reading this article on one of these.
Sparse fuzz: Awww, that's adorable! You're harmless!
Scruffy: Too much man for any multi-ethnic middle-aged gang to defeat.
Stubbly, accenting your jaw: Tough guy.
Stubbly, emphasizing your neck: You have given up on life.
"I'm a week away from converting my entire wardrobe to 'day sweats' and 'evening sweats.'"
Clean shaven: Damn right you're a straight shooter. Maybe you're a creep, but at least people know exactly what kind of creep they're getting.
Too cleanly shaven: As a child, you were beaten for not finishing your chores.
Hairless: There is a pile of human torsos in your basement.
If you're a lady with facial hair, you will teach the audience a Very Special Lesson about not judging people by appearances. Or people will laugh at you. That's the great thing about humanity: You never know how they'll disappoint you next!
#2. Tattoos
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When they're not being used to solve murder mysteries, tattoos are how movies tell us that someone is either living hard on the streets or a suburbanite making bad drunken mistakes. Still, some characters sport them so we know who they are the second we see them.
Even if he's not yakuza or a Russian mobster wearing his personal Wikipedia entry on his arm, a character tells a story with his tattoos. And why not? That's what people do in real life, and as with facial hair, Hollywood hones that to the point where you can't miss it. If they bother showing it to you, they want you to appraise what the characters have chosen to say about themselves. Wedding Crashers brought the term "tramp stamp" to the mainstream.
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And sadly brought a career extension to Vince Vaughn.
Characters in movies have the same tattoos as the rest of us: a weeping swan cutting his wrist (OK, characters in movies have the same tattoos as the rest of you) -- except theirs tell us a lot about their past. A name on the arm is a sure sign that someone died (or, at least, was taken away by social services).
Ink on the knuckles? You don't need to even read 'em to know it's someone with a murderous right hook, although they probably mimic Night of the Hunter's "LOVE/HATE." Never mind that in reality plenty of thoughtful people are tattooed with varied designs. Like the ones on our knuckles that say "MORE/TACOS." (We have an eleventh finger. It's an uncomfortable subject, but suffice it to say that our mom drank a lot of radium back in the day.)
Night of the Hunter makes the point that hands take action for us, and a word inked on a hand marks all its movements as agents of its concept -- like the Latin for "truth" and "justice" on the Boondock Saints' trigger fingers. Just don't pick a word that's really long and gets jammed up at the end when you run out of space.
He's been playing "The Gambler" for 11 years now.
In Hollywood, there are no tattoos that people get for their private satisfaction. They're all meant to be seen, because they're all meant to be read by us. These statements can work against characters, like when they outgrow the concepts they wear for the world to see -- Brad Pitt's character, Rusty, in the Ocean's Ever Increasingly Dreary Number series wears stylish cuffs that hide his tribal tattoo (we'd be ashamed of our past too if we used to be the kind of guy who got tribal tattoos). Oh, and the crime thing.
#1. Lungs
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But what about internal defects? Are we to assume that every bad guy has hepatitis C? Absolutely not! The hep is a bottom-rung henchman's affliction. And can you imagine a villain whose internal corruption was hemorrhoids? Would you want to final battle a guy with a bleeding sphincter as he gingerly circles around you?
The worst part is when he starts tossing this at you like he's Oddjob.
No, for a top-of-the-line bad guy, only a respiratory ailment will do. Partially this is because it's an affliction we can hear. Partially it's because it usually requires a breathing apparatus that again obscures their faces and dehumanizes them. And partially it's because nobody thinks differently of you for having a spleen disease, unless it's to laugh when you try to Force-choke them.
But the main reason is that there's symbolism in breath. If you've got air in your lungs, you're alive! You have animus -- a soul. And when a character has audible lung problems, he's inevitably a villain, because his lungs -- where his soul lives -- are a corrupt environment. It's a great image, which is why Hollywood saves it for the big names like Darth Vader, Cobra Commander, General Grievous, Bane, and ... uh ... Le Chiffre.
Eon loves scarfaced villains
Although he got closer to a clean getaway than most on that list.
Even the platinum inhaler that sustains little Frenchie DuCowardice has a purpose. See, breathing problems also plague another class of film character: frail little kids. Want to show an overprotective parent? Justify their woes by giving the kid asthma. And then show that all the kid needed was the courage to face the world and he'll grow out of it. Or maybe grow superpowers and murder a man, same thing.
Now consider a guy like Le Chiffre, who's designed by a team of screenwriting engineers to be the most punchable twerp in Western civilization -- he's just begging Bond to take his lunch money as he does complex math in his head, weeps blood onto his pouty little lip, and refuses to fill his lungs with a noble gulp of air like any real man would do. Obviously, the problem is that he's a wimp who refuses to will his terrifying disease out of existence.
"Ugh, I can barely look at you."
Final note: The world's asthmatics want you to know that nobody ever uses an inhaler correctly in films. That said, you ever watch somebody hold their breath for 10 seconds? That's a lot of movie. In that amount of time, Michael Bay can stage 17 different set pieces featuring no fewer than three offensive stereotypes. Two of them explode.
For stories that are more insane than any action movie, check out 6 Insane True Stories More Badass Than Any Action Movie and 6 Real Acts of Self Defense Too Awesome for an Action Movie. It's Cracked ... with a vengeance!
For tattoos that advance plot as well as character, Brendan recommends Eric Palicki's creepy Red Angel Dragnet. Follow the Gentleman Bastard on Twitter @BrendanMcGinley for great justice!
Brendan made fun of this kind of laziness before with Coming Soon to a Theater Near You (Unfortunately) and 6 Tips for Turning Awful Fan Fiction into a Best-Seller.


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INDIANAPOLIS – For 14 minutes and 22 seconds Saturday, Manti Te'o went through an NFL interrogation.
Facing a throng of national reporters, the Notre Dame linebacker stood on a podium inside Lucas Oil Stadium and looked calm as he prepared for the onslaught of questions that were to follow.
"That's a lot of cameras," he said as he stepped up to the microphone.
They were there for the most eagerly anticipated media interview in the history of the NFL Scouting Combine, one in which Te'o responded to 34 questions in all.
Most, of course, were centered on the national scandal that erupted last month after it was revealed the inspirational story of Te'o playing through the death of his girlfriend was all a lie. Te'o never met Lennay Kekua. She was never hurt in a car accident, or suffered from leukemia, as the tale went.
She never existed at all.
Te'o — and Notre Dame — claimed the star was the victim of a hoax, one perpetrated by Ronaiah Tuiasosopo, loosely described as an "acquaintance" of the player.
After the story unraveled Jan. 16, Te'o took part in two interviews, one with ESPN's Jeremy Schaap, the other with Katie Couric.
But he had yet to take part in an interview where the gloves were off. Te'o stood in and took all the punches Saturday, including when he was asked near the end of the interview whether he was currently dating anyone "in real life" (he said he's not).
"It's definitely embarrassing when you're walking through grocery stores and you're … giving people double-takes to see if they're staring at you," Te'o said. "I guess it's part of the process, it's part of the journey. You know it's only going to make me stronger and it definitely has."
Te'o said he was trying to "enjoy the moment" of being at the combine, while hoping to put the scandal behind him and focus on football.
"I understand people have questions, but I've answered everything I could," he said. "For me, I'd really like to talk about football."
Te'o said every team he had met with at the combine had asked him about the incident to some degree.
"Some go to certain lengths, some just ask me, 'give me a brief overview of how it was' then they get straight to business," he said.
Te'o has 20 formal interviews scheduled at the combine, including one with the Buffalo Bills.
"I think everybody's going to ask him about that drama, but it's just going to be a piece of the puzzle," Bills Assistant General Manager Doug Whaley said. "We'll treat it independently, just like we're going to treat all the other guys that may have issues or may not have issues. This is one of the things we're here for, is to fact find about all that stuff."
Several NFL executives were asked about Te'o, and shared Whaley's sentiment: they'd wait to draw their own conclusions.
"Personally, I don't get caught up in everything that is swirling around him. I'm looking forward to sitting down and talking to him," Denver Broncos Executive Vice President John Elway said. "I know him as a football player. He's a very good football player. He's going to have a successful career in the NFL."
Minnesota Vikings General Manager Rick Spielman saw value in Te'o going through the media inquisition.
"We're going to find out if he can handle the media or not," Spielman said. "He's getting a lot of experience in handling the media scrutiny, per se. … We'll watch that. I think that's a very valuable part of the process."
Te'o said he waited so long to speak because it was a "whirlwind" for him. He described his life as "chaos" and wanted it to calm down before answering questions.
"It got overwhelming at times," he said. "I think the toughest moment, to be honest with you, was a phone call that I got from my sister when she told me that they had to sneak my own family in their home because there were people parked out in the yard and stuff like that. Something that I've always had a problem with is when I can't do something about it; I can't help. To know that my family was in this situation because of the actions I committed was definitely the hardest part for me."
Despite the pain of being made a national laughingstock, Te'o said he never considered legal action against Tuiasosopo.
"I think that's the worst thing you could do. Both families are going through chaos. There's not only people camped out at my house, there's people camped out at his house," he said. "I went through what I went through and he went through his own share of stuff. … Always try and forgive. If you forgive, you'll get the majority of the blessings."
With Te'o dominating headlines on the TMZs of the world, it's easy to forget he's one of the best linebacker prospects in the draft. The 6-foot-1, 241-pounder was a first-team All-American and the Heisman Trophy runner-up, but was a non-factor in the national championship game won by Alabama, 42-14.
"That's all on me," Te'o said, adding that he was not distracted by the hoax, which he had learned about but was not yet made public. "I played hard and so did my team, but Alabama had a great game plan and so did we. They executed better than we did."
"People have asked why he didn't play so good in the Alabama game. I don't know the answer to that," Spielman said. "But from the view of the overall big picture, he is a very talented football player."
The Bills are a linebacker-needy team, especially after cutting leading tackler Nick Barnett earlier this month. Te'o's performance at the combine — on the field, in the meeting rooms, and in front of the media — will help to sort out where he'll land in April.
Even if teams accept that Te'o was the victim in this sordid story, they still have to determine how concerned they are about a seemingly off-the-charts level of naivete.
"They want to be able to trust their player. You don't want to invest in somebody you can't trust," Te'o said. "With everybody here, they're just trying to get to know you, get to know you as a person and as a football player. I understand where they're coming from.
"It could be a hurdle, but it could also be a great opportunity to show who you really are. That's the way I've approached it, and it's been a great growing experience for me."
"If he can handle that distraction and still be able to perform on the football field, I really don't think it makes that much of a difference," Carolina coach Ron Rivera said. "Whatever happened is a set of circumstances that only he really knows what it was all about. We'll talk about it.
"We'll find out about it. The bottom line is, is he a good person and can he play football? That's probably the most important thing that he'll have to answer. I don't think it's going to hurt his draft stock. He's coming here to improve his draft stock. I do think he's a heck of a football player and I think he's got a bright future in this league."
Te'o was asked how he had changed, and made specific reference to the day the news came out.
"For me I've learned just to be honest in anything and everything you do, from the big things to the small things. Secondly, to keep your circle very small and to understand who's really in your corner and who's not," he said. "I think going off of the season my team and I had, there's a lot of people in our corner. Then when Jan. 16 happened, there's a lot of people in the other corner. I just learned to appreciate the people that I have that are with me and to just make sure you always try to turn a negative thing into a positive."
After the 34th and final question was asked, an NFL public-relations official thanked Te'o, but the player had more to say.
"I'd like to thank everybody for being here. It's been a hard but tremendous ride for me," he said. "I'd like to thank my parents, my family, my friends, the University of Notre Dame and everybody who supports me. I couldn't do it without all of you. Hopefully after this I answered the things I needed to answer and we can move on with football."
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Nokia N8 vs Samsung Galaxy S
0. phoneArena 18 Oct 2010, 10:31 posted on
If a Clash of the Titans movie was to be made for the smartphone industry, it would certainly feature the Nokia N8 and the Samsung Galaxy S. These are the current cream-of-the-crop handsets of the world's largest and second-largest cell phone manufacturers. The Nokia N8 and Samsung Galaxy S might be the high road ...
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1. E (unregistered)
Galaxy S is the winner. No question!
33. rafael.roque (Posts: 78; Member since: 03 Jul 2010)
I disagree... Yes question!
2. me (unregistered)
I prefer Nokia N8. Seen on the image difference in dark and videos amazing voice and solid aluminium cover - all of these things are on the side of N8
3. cristianer (Posts: 42; Member since: 20 Aug 2010)
That's nice but before that I prefer Android and not Symbian
42. Phonepro (unregistered)
Symbian is very flexible but not for the User that wants to have the easiest interface. But if you are used to the Symbian System it's not worse than the Iphone or the Android System. In fact the possibilities Symbian offers to the more experienced user are more advanced, It's just not the OS for someone who is into the Design but more the OS for the ones that need a compact fast and open System and for those who are willing to invest some time in customizing it to ones need. If you are the secound one Symbian is best for you - if you are more into the Out-Of-The-Box-But-Less-Personal type - Get the Android - Or The Iphone.
4. samking21 (Posts: 4; Member since: 24 Jun 2010)
In my opinion, Samsung is the best because it combines many powerful things inside, such as processor speed and screen size and color screen technology and the operating system and a stronger battery, for the strength of Nokia camera and read the media and external storage )) Samsung wins ((
5. Pio (unregistered)
Weird comparison... Ufcourse Android for me is a winner.
6. Dan the Man (unregistered)
I own both phones, here is my verdict (OS-aside), let's assign 1 point for each round: Build Quality: N8 with its aluminum build and scratch-resistant gorilla glass display Display: Galaxy S with its larger 4" SAMOLED technology Connectivity: N8 which aces the competition with HDMI out and USB Host functionality Call Quality: N8 with more natural-sounding conversation, noise-cancellation Imaging: N8 with 12MP camera, Xenon-flash Video capture: Draw - both phones take gorgeous videos Durability: N8 due to its metallic build and scratch-resistant display. My Galaxy S got its first scratch on the 2nd day (rubber case is a must) SIM and Memory card handling: N8 due to easy access on the side without having to remove battery In-box package contents: N8 - in addition to the charger and, comes with mini HDMI adapter, USB-on-the go adapter, better quality in-ear earphones Battery Life: N8 charges every 2 days Apps pre-installed: N8 Apps downloadable: Galaxy S Price (unlocked): Nokia N8 US$ 530.00, Galaxy S US$ 700.00 Total Tally: Nokia - 10 points, Galaxy S - 2 points If you include Anroid OS as an advantage, Tally: Nokia - 10 points, Galaxy S - 3 points
9. Franco (unregistered)
Yeap, but should end 10 to N8 and 4 to Galaxy S, you forgot to mention ergonomics and fluid interface.
10. Franco (unregistered)
Also forgot: Email, Galaxy S is a lot better: so: 10 to n8 , 5 to Galaxy S.
15. DontHateOnS60 (Posts: 867; Member since: 20 Apr 2009)
N8 has multitouch in its email client. I don't remember my Captivate having that.
16. DontHateOnS60 (Posts: 867; Member since: 20 Apr 2009)
Ability to control your data connection: N8 UI: Galaxy S Loudspeaker: N8 GPS: N8 Navigation: N8 because you can preload all map data onto your phone. Signal reception: N8 by a landslide.
17. Dan the Man (unregistered)
@ Franco: that's why I said "OS-aside" from the beginning to offset the UI of the phones but I get your point. Ergonomics has two fronts: software interface and device-handling. Samsung "probably" wins on the software front but the N8 wins on the device-handling front: works both on single and dual-handed use, ease of access to SIM, memory card, doesn't slip off your hand that easily. :)
18. Dan the Man (unregistered)
@DontHateOnS60: Points well raised. I agree. :)
19. jedrek (Posts: 1; Member since: 18 Oct 2010)
In my view, a better OS worths not only "1 point", so as some of your list take no "1 point" advantage. I chose the Android one. But one thing I have to admit that --- i9k's GPS sucks!
22. Sayantan Nandi (unregistered)
everyone has a different needs for buying a phone.....u cant really pick a winner.....if u consider a few more points 1.galaxy S can upload to twitter fb flickr youtube etc directly from the gallery app...n8 cant 2.widgets on galaxy S are better...u have only fixed size widgets on the n8 3.galaxy S doesnt show checker boxes while zooming in and out the web browser....n8 does it even for simple pages 4.u take 4 steps to enter a web address on n8.....galaxy S does with voice commands(FroYo) or 1 step(Eclair/Donut/Cupcake) 5.u cant type on QWERTY in portait mode on n8....galaxy S supports t9,handwriting as well as QWERTY 6.galaxy S is DivX HD certified,Dolby certified,SRS certified...sure n8 plays DivX HD..but not certified yet :P 7.Its GPU can display 90million triangles/sec.......n8 wont do even 20million/sec...iphone 4 and other 1Ghz snapragon processor based phones do 28million/sec 8.galaxy S comes with free Office Editing app....n8 lacks it so i gave 8 points where galaxy S wins......can give many more.....so better lets not choose a winner and let the buyers decide their needs to buy the phone and those creating a fuss with GPS on galaxy S...it got fixed with FroYo update....it locks perfectly now :)... i donno about Galaxy S captivate...but i9000 has a multitouch client for email
26. anuragdahiya (Posts: 1; Member since: 19 Oct 2010)
i agree
29. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)
6. I find it hard to believe you're suggesting the Galaxy S comes with more CODEC support than the N8. Try again. 7. Actually, the N8's Broadcom GPU does 32 millions triangles/sec; more than the iPhone 4's GPU within its A4 SOC. Both are trumped by the Galaxy S' Hummingbird. ----Browser----The N8 browser will be replaced with a new Qt based browser. In my opinion, for the next 6 weeks...use Opera 10 Mobile; in any event, it's faster than any of the stock browser's for Android or IOS. ---Qwerty Portrait----The current firmware will be upgraded soon to support. Once done, SWYPE will then be able to include its own Portrait solution. ----OS versus UI---- There are a lot of features integrated within the Symbian OS that rivals fail to offer. Its the only OS designed from the ground up for embedded devices and its ability to operate with limited resources are unparalleled. However, the User Interface in not on par with IOS nor Android 2.1/2.2. It's OK for Symbian users, but it is not a draw for converts. Hopefully, both Meego and the Symbian^4 UI's will move the bar ahead and not only attempt catch-up. Bottom line...there's a difference between comparing and entire OS versus comparing the UI stack. ---30 fps---seems this has already been easily cracked on the N8. One can assume, from the reviews and feeback, that an offical firmware update would bring the 30fps into the mainstream. ...as for equivalent build quality...comparing a phone with a plastic body to one made from a single piece of anodized aluminum is a bit of a stretch, IMHO.
32. jd829 (Posts: 155; Member since: 24 Feb 2010)
Try some ginko biloba to help your memory, my captivate supports multi-touch in email.
34. rafael.roque (Posts: 78; Member since: 03 Jul 2010)
FYI the N8's Broadcom GPU can produce 30M triangles/second. Which is on part with the iphone4 and
37. thatdude1 (unregistered)
Download Nokia messaging service-much better than Android stock experience.
7. jpropin (Posts: 152; Member since: 20 May 2010)
'll take the Nokia. It's better built, will last longer and in the end be a better value. Nokia supports their devices long after they have been released. Samsung's support of it's products is poor. And thats being generous. Having Android for me does'nt make up for the fact that it's still a Samsung. And that's not good. I got burned with the Behold II and as The Who said....."Won't Get Fooled Again"
11. Franco (unregistered)
Nokia hardware build is the best ever... but I got the poor Sansung due Android marketplace.. a lot more softwares.
12. jpropin (Posts: 152; Member since: 20 May 2010)
If I need 400 different versions of apps that have different names but all do the same thing, then I'll worry about the marketplace. I don't need 40 apps to tell me how to tie a necktie, and one tic-tac-toe game is enough for me. Don't need 25 of those. I want a phone that will last and won't crumble when it hits a floor made of rubber. A phone I can squeeze tightly in my hand and think, "man, this is solid" A phone that is not all foam and no beer and does'nt write checks it can't cash. In other words a device that can simply do what it says it can do in reality and not on a spec-sheet.
13. bucky (Posts: 2582; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
both phones are shite. Samsung and Nokia forget about their phones quickly. both are buggy too. If you absolutey MUST have a nokia get an n900. Otherwise stay clear of both these phones.
14. chrtran (unregistered)
so true. i have the nokia 5800 NAM (from like 2008) and its still supported by nokia, just got another software update lastweek (v50, north america is behind euro updates)
21. haha (unregistered)
nokias service is bullcrap atleast out here in India.. Samsung out here can get ur phone fixed in a few minutes.. which is why i left nokia after having a number of phones with major issues.. as for firmware updates.. nokias updates basically fixed the bugs that should have not been there in the first place..(with no major improvements.. i still own an n82 which has gone nowhere from where it was when i bought it) which means in the case of nokia if yu want the next version of symbian.. buy the new phone...or be stuck with the same firmware for life!. btw my galaxy does not have the gps issue.. the gps issue is present only for those phones that are locked to the operators cos of the additional firmware that is shuffed into the phone by them(operators)
30. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)
I updated my back-up 5800XM with PNHT's port of C6-00 custom firmware for the 5800. Homescreen widgets, full kinetics, a faster boot, more free RAM, and very conservative use of c drive. The UI is also faster/smoother. The CFW is based on C6's second firmware update (11.0.029) and it blows the standard 5800XM (51.0.006) out of the water. Coupled with an OtterBox Commuter case which makes the phone feel better in the hand...this old 5800XM is still a reliable and very capable little phone.
8. perfect boy (unregistered)
just love moto milestone series
20. cristianer (Posts: 42; Member since: 20 Aug 2010)
Yeah. I'm waiting the milestone 2 in argentina
23. poochilau1 (unregistered)
24. hack (unregistered)
N8 the winner
25. steve19800 (unregistered)
Definitely Galaxy! N8 looks like 1999 model. A button on the bottom left, they should put it on the middle of the screen, that is what I call innovation!
40. thatdude1 (unregistered)
Galaxy S looks like any other big-screen Android handset out there. N8 has a much better design.
27. fatexo (Posts: 218; Member since: 21 May 2010)
I would rather buy a milestone 2.. 1.2 ghz processor, literally built like a tank ! , hardware QWERTY keyboard (and one of the slimmest phone with full QWERTY) And android 2.2 ( froyo ) out of the box.. And moto is far better in making android phones than the samsung.
28. Jayanth (unregistered)
my friend... moto phones support is pathetic at best. Their battery life is not that great and resale value is absolute zero. Would like to point out that galaxy s also as gorilla glass here.... Battery life in galaxy s is very bad when compared to a nokia phone....I can vouch for that. But symbian 3 is something which is just about to die....and thats very well known. So N8 did a big mistake by going the symbian way.
39. thatdude1 (unregistered)
Symbian^3 is not about to die. You are an idiot that does not know what he is talking about.
31. weirdfisher (unregistered)
I won't buy a 3GS clone with a larger screen
35. luistoluca (Posts: 17; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)
Samsung Galaxy S rocks, Nokia N8 shit!!
36. mastertoothpick (unregistered)
38. Trx (unregistered)
Ok understand that nokia n8 better but is nokia n8 supporting full multitouch? No shooting video at darkness without light no led same as samsung galaxy but the different in the sensor n8 has the biggest sensor. Now I want to ask the important question nokia are they going to update the nokia n8 with symbian 4^?!
41. Rev (Posts: 12; Member since: 19 Oct 2010)
Galaxy S is certainly not a bad choice. Chose N8 though because of better GPS and Nokia quality. Also because the one point people complain about is the interface and after trying iPhone, Android and S3, I didn't find any significant difference in usability.
43. Shocky (unregistered)
@Sayantan Nandi
Many good points about the Galaxy S however the GPS is not fixed with the froyo update.
The GPS is still useless, I've tried three seperate Galaxy S, one being the 16GB version not that it matters, but the GPS is next to useless on them all even with the latest version of 2.2.
GPS on Galaxy S is NOT fixed.
44. Shocky (unregistered)
From what I can see the only think the N8 does better that matters is photos, everything else with the exception of the broken GPS it wins.
Galaxy S Pros
Larger better screen (5 point touch support)
Faster CPU
Faster GPU
More Memory
Better Video Player - supports more formats
Better Music Player - better quality audio & support
Android - Better OS, Android Market
Better Video Recording - 30FPS 720P
Better Web Browser - Flash 10.1, no crappy flashlite.
N8 pros
Camera (flash, 12MP)
Build Quality
49. marc (unregistered)
how on earth can you give the galaxy a pros for thinner and ligther but the quality of that is crap? and for your information the n8 supports more video and audio codecs, just go and read gsm arena's review. the n8 also records better videos seeing that it uses real 3* zoom which is actually like optical zoom. and the n8 has a better gpu. so get your facts right before posting crap for people who have no knwoledge of the phones
Galaxy S Pros
bigger better screen
more ram
better cpu (90 million polygons)
android better for some people
better web browser but still doesnt like the n8 have flash 10.1 until android 2.2 becomes available
Nokia N8 Pros
best camera on a mobile (12MP)
better video recording seeing it uses realtime zoom and stereo sound cause it uses 2 mics
faster gpu (about 30million polygons and the galaxy about 18milion)
better build quality
better gps
usb on the go
hdmi out
real 5.1 dolby digital plus surround sound
pentaband coverage
symbian 3 is fully hardware accelarated which means the powerfull broadcom gpu can help anywere, anytime in the OS
45. maoten (Posts: 13; Member since: 09 Jun 2010)
either for multimedia or graphics i would go GALAXY S
nokia get a grip and move to android...
46. jj (unregistered)
Great review. Shows the strengths and weaknesses of each handset. Much less biased than some reviews I have read recently
47. kamboj (unregistered)
i am using galaxy s from 2 months....The galaxy s lacks only the better camera quality and GPS reception....
rest is awesome....
i appreciate nokia n8....it is good phone....but the choice depends on person's usage.....
i will always choose galaxy s...
48. poooy (unregistered)
both r good.....
50. Sumit (unregistered)
Nokia N8 is a clear winner..Don like touchwiz atall..though the screen on galaxy is stunning....Way to go nokia.....waiting for meego desperately now.....
51. vikram161 (unregistered)
Okk if the phone(N8) as HDMI and all the features but the phone doesnot powers up ..
There is some proble with N8 which will restart automatically and powers down and does not powers up...
So Main important is it should power up ...
worst handset is N8 now i am facing the issue of phone not powering up ..
52. marc (unregistered)
all you nokia n8 users go download the Qtorch Application from the ovi store, open it and when the screen goes white press menu and see how fucking bright the n8's screen can be. its even brigther then a samsung wave
53. matthew8307 (unregistered)
galaxy s is better than n8 even camera they both takes same quality but dont forget n8 is 12mp and galaxy is 5mp
54. mauss (unregistered)
I got the N8 because I used to like nokia... bad choice.. Its not a good phone, sadly to say.. The only good thing, its the camera.. the rest I preffer my old Nokia N95.. The phone gets blocked a lot, with any application, it has to be restarted to get it to function again.. the outlook sync does not work, I have a case open with nokia since i bought it, and then haven´t been able to fix it, and in all forums there is the same problem reported.., also there is problems with the VPN, it doesn´t work either..
Is not fast in response.. when you click over an application, it takes some times, forever to open it, when it doesn,t get blocked, and has to be restarted.. I already upgraded the software, but still the same problems.. While navegating it also blocks in some pages with videos or animation.
In summary, I don´t recommend this phone, and I´m already trying to get a refund for the money I pay for it, because it doesnt do what they say it will ( like sync with outlook), and I need it for my job..
55. riyad (unregistered)
man it depends in the place where you live in...........and your provider like t-mobile or so....here in ksa i get it brand new from nokia factory itself without any provider so it is not edited and never opened.....to be accurate i dont have n8 but my friend does , he have it since 3 weeks without a single problem
56. black pearl (unregistered)
Hi...which one to buy....n8 or galaxy s....pl give me suggestion...
57. Weirdos (unregistered)
@ black pearl.. read all the pages and make your own decision!
@ the fools calling ppl idiots for pointing the weakness out in either model - get a grip - u are not talking to your mother.
Both phones is very good in their own way - live with it
58. coolbuddy (unregistered)
reading through the review and the comments...i personally feel that although galaxy S is the winner in some points like the screen quality faster CPU etc. but i dont know why any one would pay more for getting these usual stuff rather than more hardware possibilities like a HDMI port for watching movies on your home theatre and a 12 mp camera to click better picture with xenon flash. more over how many formats do we play...does that even matter....both phones have readable quality in the sun so that also rules out...
i was actually confused about which of the two to buy but now am totally clear that what i want in my phone is hardware to perform more functions as software can be later updated and this leads me to n8.
and people you forgot the FM transmitter which is a useful feature in n8 and does a good job too...i nalready had it in n79 and its a life saver when you are on a long trip...and no songs to play in cd's,dvd's and pd's...
but what confuses me still is what are the future prospects with symbian 3^ as i have heard that nokia is going to tie up with microsoft for some software tweaks...will symbian 3^ be neglected then..??
just this confusion gets cleared and i'll own one of themm..
please advice..!!!
59. murshed (unregistered)
this review is saying Nokia N8 got active voice canceling but i wonder this is true.Nokia didn't highlighted or may be I've missed this somehow.
I've got N8.Does it really has voice cancelling feature
60. coolguy (unregistered)
reading through the review and the comments...i personally feel that although galaxy S is the winner in some points like the screen quality faster CPU etc. but i dont know why any one would pay more for getting these usual stuff rather than more hardware possibilities like a HDMI port for watching movies on your home theatre and a 12 mp camera to click better picture with xenon flash. more over how many formats do we play...does that even matter....both phones have readable quality in the sun so that also rules out...
i was actually confused about which of the two to buy but now am totally clear that what i want in my phone is hardware to perform more functions as software can be later updated and this leads me to n8.
and people you forgot the FM transmitter which is a useful feature in n8 and does a good job too...i nalready had it in n79 and its a life saver when you are on a long trip...and no songs to play in cd's,dvd's and pd's...
but what confuses me still is what are the future prospects with symbian 3^ as i have heard that nokia is going to tie up with microsoft for some software tweaks...will symbian 3^ be neglected then..??
just this confusion gets cleared and i'll own one of themm..
please advice..!!!


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Berks County Chapter Alumni make contribution to THON
The Berks County Chapter of the Penn State Alumni Association (PSAA) will present a check for $10,000 to the Berks THON organization at their dancer send-off on Thursday, Feb. 14, 2012, from 11 a.m.–1 p.m. in the Multipurpose Room of the Perkins Student Center.
Most of the donation comes from Reading Royals Night, which was sponsored by the Berks County Chapter of the PSAA and the Reading Royals on Saturday, Jan. 5, 2013. Five dollars from every ticket sold through the event website was donated and the Royals' players all wore special Penn State football-themed jerseys that were autographed and auctioned off after the game. Members of the Schuylkill County Chapter of the PSAA joined the Berks County Chapter to support this worthwhile event. In the three-year history of the Chapter's Reading Royals Night, they have raised over $30,000 for THON.
Shawn Hinkle, PSAA President, said, "As alumni, our Chapter is very proud to continue our support of THON, and in particular the Berks THON students and Four Diamond families. Without the continued time, efforts, and generosity of our entire Penn State family, as well as our community partners like the Reading Royals, successful THON events like this would not be possible."
From Friday, Feb. 15 to Sunday, Feb. 17, 2013, Penn State students from every campus will gather at the Bryce Jordan Center on the University Park campus, for THON, the 46-hour dance marathon to benefit the Four Diamonds Fund supporting families battling pediatric cancer.
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Anyone who gardens in Ohio knows that soil textures can be different from one backyard to another.
Because of our numerous lakes and streams, soil textures where we live can range anywhere from coarse sand to heavy clay. Gardening is enough of a challenge in itself, but improving our soil contributes to healthy plants and healthy plants are more able to combat the effects of weather, weeds and insects.
Soil texture refers to the size of the particles that make up our little patch of earth. There are three common types of soil particles; sand, silt and clay. Sandy soil has the largest particles and are irregularly shaped. It doesn't compact easily and as a result, water quickly flows through it and away from plants. Individual particles can be seen with the naked eye.
Silt has the next smallest particles. They also are irregularly shaped but individual particles can't be seen without the aid of a microscope. Silt is smooth and silky to touch and is often compared to the texture of talcum powder. Silt washes away easily from heavy rains.
Clay soil has the smallest of all particles. The particles stick together tightly preventing water and air from penetrating easily.
The ideal soil texture is a combination of all three of these basic types. The amounts of these three textures is defined as soil structure.
Soil structure refers to the way the different particles all clump together. If you want an idea of your own soil structure, grab a handful of damp soil and squeeze it into a ball. Open your hand and watch what happens. If it easily falls apart, your soil texture is likely mostly sand. If it takes a bit of pressure to get the clump to fall apart, your soil is probably mostly silt and as you can probably figure out by now, if the clump holds together even with your prodding, it is made up mostly of clay.
There is another way to determine your soil type that is not only easy, but fun for kids as well. First you will need a wide-mouth jar with a lid. Any type of jar will do, either from the grocery store or a canning jar is fine. Fill the jar half full with soil from your garden and add enough water to make it the consistency of mud. Wait a few minutes for the soil and water to separate. The soil, which is heavier than the water, will settle to the bottom and the water will rise above it.
Once the separation has occurred, mark on the outside of the jar the level of the soil. Add a teaspoon of salt or dishwashing liquid to the mixture and then fill the jar the rest of the way with water. This ''surfactant'' will help the soil particles separate. Give it a good shake. Soils heavy with clay might need a bit more shaking to help break up the particles. Finally, set the jar on the counter and wait.
In a few minutes, the sand will sink to the bottom of the jar. In about three to four hours, the silt will sit on top of the sand, but it takes longer, perhaps a day or two, for the clay to settle on top of the silt. Be careful not to shake the jar once the soils have begun separating. After a couple days, measure the different layers of soil textures and divide that number by the measurement from the mark you made on the first day. Each layer's measurement will give you the percentage of each soil texture you have.
Of course, most people don't go to all this trouble to determine their soil types. The rest of us simply add as much organic matter as possible in the form of composted material, peat and manure. By mixing organic matter into the soil, it helps break up the heavy clay particles while mixing with the sand and silt making it easier for nutrients, water and oxygen to get to the plants' roots where they are needed the most.
The most ideal garden soil is called sandy loam. It is a mixture of all three soil textures, but it isn't an easy balance to acquire. We can't just add bags of sand to what we have because mixing sand with clay will give us a soil structure that is similar to cement and we certainly don't want that.
If you are concerned about your soil texture, the most accurate method of determining what you need is to take a soil test. Soil test bags are available for purchase at the Trumbull County Extension office on West Main Street in Cortland. They generally run between $12 and $15 and all you have to do is fill the bag you get with the test with some of your garden soil (instructions are included), and send it off to the lab listed on the packaging. In return, you will get a full report of your soil types as well as the nutrient levels along with recommendations for improving your soil. Separate tests should be taken for growing vegetables and flowers as their requirements are different.
In addition to your report, a copy is also sent to the Extension office. If you have any questions, you can simply give them a call and they will be glad to interpret the test results for you. It's as easy as sand, silt and clay.
Evanoff is a Master Gardener with The Ohio State University Extension of Trumbull County. She can be reached at email@example.com.


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The former Jersey Shore star, who slimmed down after welcoming her first child with fiancé Jionni LaValle last year, reveals on Friday's episode of Bethenny that she hates her post-baby breasts.
"My boobs are disgusting," Snooki, 25, tells Bethenny Frankel. "My boobs are hanging, my boobs got so big. You can't see now because I have a bra – I have a Victoria's Secret Wonder Bra on – but when I don't, they just sag and it's like skin, so I am thinking of getting a boob job maybe … I want to feel confident with my boobies and I don't."
Frankel, 42, tells the Dancing With the Stars contestant that she got implants and a breast lift and advises her, "You've got to get the lift."
But, Polizzi also reveals that she's not done having kids.
"We are probably getting married next year, so right after that we are going to have a baby," she says. "I want four babies. I want to be the mom in the grocery store, like, 'Shut up, get over here.' I like being crazy. I want to be embarrassed by my kids in public, so it's not me anymore, it's my kids."


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In Nevada, There's Mud in Them Thar Hills!
Locals Dredge Up Mineral-Rich Sludge to Woo Spas; Earth 'Smooth as Butter'
GERLACH, Nev.—Like generations of Nevada prospectors before her, Shelly Egbert plunged her shovel into her mining claim one recent autumn afternoon. She hit a mother lode.
"Look at that," she yelled, nodding at the bounty on the flat of her spade. "Straight from the center of the earth!"
It was earth, as a matter of fact. "Smooth as butter," the 50-year-old mother of seven said as she dug her hand into an oozing greenish pile of warm mud. "This is what God gave us."
There's not much else out here in this sandblasted patch of Nevada desert other than dusty clay soil. But when the volcanically-heated water seeps up from deep underground here, it turns the dust into a goo so sublime that people actually pay to have it slathered over their bodies in spas.
Among the beneficial properties Ms. Egbert touts: more than 50 trace elements that she says promotes healthy skin.
Mud treatments have been around for centuries, and are now popular in spas—including those at Nevada's casino hotels. Until recently, the locals imported all their mud from places as far away as the Dead Sea or Thailand.
Ms. Egbert decided two years ago that Nevada mud could compete. Together with a business partner, Summer Powelson, she incorporated the Black Rock Mud Co. and began digging.
With a work crew on their ranch that includes their home-schooled children aged two to 20, the pair just completed their autumn mud harvest, from which they have 5,000 jars of mud to sell for $59 each as a cosmetic facial mask. They also harvest in the spring.
Their main customers so far are Reno spas and casinos. When one ordered some for its spa a few weeks ago, Ms. Egbert carefully loaded the bottled mud in the back of her Ford Expedition and hauled it herself.
She has given sample jars of the stuff to Reno area spas and expects to sling her mud more broadly via a website.
But she faces the big mud players, including established cosmetic giants like L'Oréal that sell cosmetic mud harvested from exotic locales all over the world—often where geologic attributes like volcanic heating fill the local soil with soothing-to-the-skin minerals.
The advantage of Nevada mud, says Ms. Egbert: It doesn't stink like some of the other stuff, which often has a sulfurous smell. That's one reason Emily Sindlinger, owner of Reno's Lime Spa, has been using Black Rock Mud for six months. "Most (cosmetic) muds have a smell so it's remarkable this one doesn't," Ms. Sindlinger says.
Competitors defend their smelly mud, arguing that their products have a proven track record while Black Rock Mud does not. Moor Mud, for example, is a slime consisting of an organic substance made from decomposed plants. The mud's "chelatic properties" —which the company claims promote the removal of toxins from the epidermis—preserve the skin so well that bodies buried in it thousands of years ago have been found intact, says Lou Danes, owner of Torf Spa LLC, a Moor mud supplier in Port St. Lucie, Fla.
Mariah Culbertson, marketing manager at Universal Companies, an Abingdon, Va., distributor of Moor and other muds, admits some of her sludge can be a bit malodorous, but adds: "Some people like earthy smells. We don't have anything extremely stinky."
Many spas put in additives like a pumpkin or citrus fragrance to mask foul smells. At Reno's Spa Toscana, director Morgan Brantner says the Black Rock Mud she began carrying a month ago is the first that can be used unaltered.
"What you see is what you get," says Ms. Brantner, whose spa is part of the Peppermill Casino and Resort. So far, Ms, Brantner says her spa has sold 36 jars of the mud and just placed an order for 48 more.
Black Rock's isn't the only mud that claims no smell. In Cordova, Alaska, Lauren Padawer markets an odorless glacial mud she harvests from the nearby Copper River and sells as far away as Sweden. She stumbled across a mother lode while taking a swim along the icy river several years ago, and procured a federal permit to extract the stuff.
"Your feet just sank into the mud," says Ms. Padawer, who went on to found Alaska Glacial Mud Co. in 2006. "It was the most luxurious mud you could imagine, and we ended up just putting it all over ourselves." She adds she sells about 5,000 jars of mud a year, the same as Black Rock Mud. Her chief limitation: She can only harvest mud in the autumn when the river is low and it's not too cold.
In Nevada, Ms. Egbert says she eventually realized she could only harvest mud at certain times of the year. When her father, David Jamieson, bought the 144-acre ranch 12 years ago as a place to train falcons, she says she immediately noticed the high quality of the mud created from hundreds of geothermal springs on the property.
"I said, 'Let's bottle this', because it was so gorgeous," says Ms. Egbert. "But it was too unpredictable when mud would be there, so I came up with the idea of doing a spring and fall harvest."
Warning a visitor to tread carefully, she walked gingerly around the boiling mud pots, pointing to one dried-up hole the size of a bathtub. It had been a regular gusher until it played out a couple years ago. "There's no rhyme or reason why they start or stop, they just do," says Ms. Egbert.
She enlisted Ms. Powelson to be a partner and in 2010 they founded Black Rock Mud, starting out with a "test" harvest of mud. There was a learning curve, like the time Ms. Egbert's husband, Tom Egbert, almost fell into a bubbling pit while shoveling mud.
"The ground around him started collapsing, and he jumped back just in time," Ms. Egbert says. "We started a rule that you have to be harnessed to a four-wheeler after that."
Ms. Egbert heads the harvest and also oversees a production line inside a storage shed where the workforce consists mainly of their children—all wearing white smocks. On a recent afternoon, two-year-old Maggie Powelson stirred the mud in a five-gallon bucket, while brother Brigham, 12, acted as quality control cleaning the edges of filled jars and five other siblings and cousins took care of packaging and other final steps for shipment.
"Heaven on earth," Ms. Egbert said as the sun began to sink behind a mountain.


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Thirty-year-old Justin Crouse is expected to be sentenced next month to between 20 and 25 years in prison, after pleading guilty in State Supreme Court on Friday to having killed his girlfriend's son on the Cattaraugus Indian Reservation in March, court officials reported.
Crouse pleaded guilty to first-degree manslaughter before State Supreme Court Justice Penny M. Wolfgang, accepting a deal from the Erie County District Attorney's Office.
Originally charged with second-degree murder and first-degree manslaughter in the death of 3-year-old Gage Seneca, Crouse pleaded to the manslaughter charge on the condition that he be sentenced to between 20 and 25 years, court officials said.
During his court appearance, authorities said, Wolfgang asked Crouse whether he intended to cause physical injury to the boy and whether he disregarded the risk to the child's life. Crouse answered "yes" to both questions.
He will be sentenced Sept. 6.
Gage's mother discovered the boy was not breathing when she checked his bedroom the morning of March 5. An autopsy determined the boy died as the result of blunt-force trauma to the head.
James F. Bargnesi prosecuted the case for the District Attorney's Office, while Crouse was represented by Emily Trott and Robert M. Goldstein.