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Motorola ATRIX HD revealed on Motorola's website with 4.5 inch screen
0. phoneArena 05 Jul 2012, 01:00 posted on
Looking like the Motorola DROID RAZR with its thin lines, Motorola's website showed off pictures of the Motorola ATRIX HD with a 4.5 inch ColorBoost display, backside made from Kevlar and water resistant innards...
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1. ogiveyakuza (Posts: 21; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)
after 2 month, motorola introduced you atrix maxx hd...
25. SupermanayrB (Posts: 571; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)
I'll take "That's The Opposite of Funny" for $200, Alex.
That joke was for Verizon. Motorola only releases phones on AT&T once a year.
28. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
oh you mean like the Backflip, Bravo, Flipside & Flipout? :P
2. baldilocks (Posts: 746; Member since: 14 Dec 2008)
Not a fan of on screen buttons. Wasted screen real estate...
9. IamYourFather6657 (Posts: 321; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)
Sorry but I think I like on screen ones more
16. roscuthiii (Posts: 2217; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
Err... they actually add screen real estate. Otherwise, they'd be actual buttons aka, not part of the screen at all but part of the phone body. This way, when playing a game, or watching a video, the screen now gets to use space it wouldn't have had before.
18. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
> they actually add screen real estate. Otherwise, they'd be actual buttons aka
Simply not true. There's no rule that says you must have physical buttons.
29. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
there has to be some kind of buttons so what do you suggest?
32. tedkord (Posts: 11712; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Imaginary buttons?
34. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
26. jaytai0106 (Posts: 1888; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)
Motorola released a statement before that they wouldn't make any phone with screen size larger than 4.3", so they made a 4.5" is pretty impressing.
3. JcHnd (Posts: 97; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
Hmmm I wouldn't change my Motorola Defy by this, specs are great buy moto needs to release a new "real" rugged phone
19. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
Moto released the Defy+ in parts of Europe. I've read some people got the German version and use English as the default language.
33. JcHnd (Posts: 97; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
still, not a new device... we need better specs! :D
4. clevername (Posts: 1436; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)
5. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
That's one good looking phone. Looks like this is AT&T's version of the Razr HD, let's just hope they don't come out with a MAXX version of this soon after the release. Expandable memory, HD screen, and only 8.5 mm thin. And I'm loving that clock/weather widget... Motorola just gets more and more appealing to me. I might pick up the international version of this, if the next iteration of the One series doesn't impress me... This is gonna be a tough decision, next One series, Razr HD, Motorola Nexus, or HTC Nexus. Different pros and cons... Ugh
6. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
There seem to be no "flagship" indicitant features here, and the measly 8GB of storage and 1780mAh battery will make this phone hard to sell at 200$, unless, you are selling it to iPhone users. I won't completely trash this phone though. If AT&T can slap on a 100$ price-tag to this, it would certainly be the premiere mid-range Android device.
11. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
How is this not a flagship? It's on par with about every other manufacturers flagship in the U.S. And the 8 GB is expandable, so just get a micro SD card. 1.5 GHz processor is most likely the S4, which is the new standard for flagships, 1 GB of RAM is the standard for flagships, though the U.S GS3 stepped it up with 2 GB. The screen is HD, and the battery is only 20 mAh below the battery in the One X. And with the Kevlar back it feels very premium in the hand. This will probably go for $200-250, because it is high end. This is in no way a mid-range device.
23. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
What are you talking about? Do you know the definition of "flagship" means for a device". Not only the best phone, but the phone they believe best represents the company and the phone they believe will be their main competitor in the market. 8GB maybe expandable but don't assume the buyer has a MicroSD and once again 8GB is not flagship.
S4 maybe flagship, but it is no selling point, and is now becoming so ubiquitous. I believe Exynos 5250 on a GalNote 2 will be a game changer. Screen is HD, I will give it that, but once again, not a selling point.
Lets not forget, the battery on the OX is relatively small, so it's no excuse that this phone is only 1780, it's other a further reflection of the low-powered components they must have used. And it is not removable, once again, not a selling point.
Kevlar is somewhat of a selling point, but phone's like the OX has more internal specs to justify it's purchase over ATRIX, even though it may not have Kevlar, so once again, not a selling point . See, Berzerk, Flagship devices need selling points, elements that make the buyer regret not taking a second look at "that other phone".
Why get the ATRIX over the OX or the Galaxy S3? All-in-all both phones have Gorrilla Glass 2, so your screen will be fine. And both phones sport more battery and storage, at a 200$ price, it would be somewhat obvious, unless Kevlar is really worth that money to you, which isn't a bad thing of course -- so far, it is the only unique aspect of this phone and if this is what you define as "flagship", well I'm sorry lol your just not right.
24. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I'm sorry, I was a bit unclear in my previous comment, I meant this is supposed flagship 'material'. This has all the things current flagships from other manufacturers have, with some things taken away, and some things added. It has the same selling points the current high-end flagships have; HD screen, S4 processor, etc. Though, it doesn't have 2 GB of RAM or a removeable battery like the GS3, it has a Kevlar back, which is indeed much preferred over the polycarbonate because it feels nicer (to most people at least).
And the battery isn't really a downfall of this phone, or the One X, because they are both using the latest processors which increase battery life to where an average user will make it through the day with ease. Neither is the memory, because anyone in their right mind that needs more memory would just go out and get a micro SD card, and if memory is so important that they need more than the roughly 40 GB you could have just by getting a SD card, then they will certainly look at other options.
My point is, all the points you are making about why this device is supposedly worse than the offerings other manufacturers are putting out kind of invalid, because the manufacturer doesn't make devices for memory hogs, or heavy users, or mobile gamers. They make them for the average consumer. And for the average consumer, you can make it a day with the 1780 mAh battery, and you won't use up the 8 GB of memory, unless you keep all of your music on your phone, but even then you would need to pick up a 4-8 GB SD card, which you would be advised to do anyways.
And even if you are apart of the 1% of consumers who use their phone for photography, or gaming, or whatever. You're going to pick up a SD card regardless just to make room. Or maybe you just don't like TouchWiz or Sense? Maybe you don't like the design of the GS3 or the One X, or maybe you prefer Motorola because of their well performing antennae? If not, then go with the One X or GS3. That's the whole point of Android, to have options to fit your needs.
Sorry, kind of went on a tangent, here's my main point; Verizon and Motorola are very close, Moto isn't going to give out it's flagship to AT&T out of the blue before Verizon gets it. This probably isn't their flagship, it's just something to keep their users on AT&T happy. They probably will release a phone on Verizon more suitable for the title of flagship; probably the Razr HD, and if not, well then I'll stick my foot in my mouth and be on my way.
27. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
First of all, I want to address the 1% comment. If you really think only 1% of smartphone users play games or use their phones as cameras, I am sorry but you are sadly mistaken. And, the average customer may not even know the differences between TouchWiz or Sense, but average customers are not brain dead idiots either. They will value the phone with more battery, a better camera, more storage, bigger screen etc.
And no, devices are not made to cater to one specification the most (memory hogs, heavy users), flagship devices are what you call WELL-ROUNDED, and I don't think I have to further explain myself there. I simply don't understand you whole MicroSD rant. Why don't just buy the phone with more memory, GS3 or OX, at the same price?
This phone is basically most other flagship Android phones, without several key implementations, so if sold for the same price, why but it? That's like being given the option of two identical Ferraris, but one has more horsepower and a better sound system, for the exact same price. Well... the option becomes quite easy doesn't it. This is the same case here UNLESS AT&T can sell this at a lower price, if so, then this device could be very successful.
You are also mistaken with the concept of selling point. A selling point is not a selling point unless that specific device is compared to another without the same spec. That's like saying a 1080p display is a selling point for a LED-HDTV. No, because nearly every TV has HD, and while not every phone has an HD screen, there are some clearly better options within phones that do. Kevlar is the only real selling point.
Ok, a phone, at it's base price, is not valued by what you can improve upon to make it better, but rather what it gives to you out of the box. Buying an SD card is very smart of course but then again, the options are so simply, why buy a phone with less storage out of the box as opposed to one with more? It simply makes no sense, as if the customer is purposely choosing the less capable option.
And I don't see how this keeps most AT&T users happy, when they have the One X and Galaxy S3.. I don't see what this offers, that's the problem, this phone doesn't really OFFER anything, with the exception of Kevlar, which, to be, is not enough to slap on an identical 200$ price point.
Remember, the ATRIX 2's selling point was it's price, and rightfully so, as it was missing a few key specifications from most phones at the time. Remeber? 100$? That very unfunny commercial about a 4G phone only costing 100$? Clearly Moto has swam in these waters before.
The price will be the base by which I will judge this phone. If it is 150$, it's a great deal. If it's 200$ it's simply common sense to look the other way.
31. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
maybe you should explain to us why a One X and the SIII are more compelling buys than this?
49. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Sweet mother of God, I'm getting tired of typing. Ok, everything that was said by both of us can be nullified by two words; 'personal preference'. But anyways, I'll tell you what was in my last comment edit again, since you forgot to address it, or didn't read it; Verizon and Motorola are very close, Moto isn't going to give out it's flagship to AT&T out of the blue before Verizon gets it. This probably isn't their flagship, it's just something to keep their users on AT&T happy. They probably will release a phone on Verizon more suitable for the title of flagship; probably the Razr HD.
Also, your car reference wasn't a good one. It would been better if it went like this; two Ferraris, one has more horsepower, and a better sound system. But one has an interior made from different materials, a different body style, and has been reviewed to have better handling. Both for the same price. Which one? The answer; it depends on the buyer.
30. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
that would be consistent with the Atrix's Status on AT&T being a cheaper, high-end alternative.
40. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
Whether or not a phone is a compelling buy is completely subjective. To a certain market, the Razr Maxx would be the most compelling buy at the moment. So compelling buy in itself is also subjective.
Nevertheless, The Atrix would be an extremely compelling deal, even more so than the S3 or the One X at a price of 150$, that is the point I was trying to make. There would be no way the Atrix could compete at the 200$ price point, like I said, but a lower price would be a great selling point for this phone. I never said the Atrix was a bad phone, I simply said it could never compete in the 200$ market...
41. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
Lol and I love how you are going through each comment trolling so hard... good one..
44. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
i disagree, it's of course better for the phone to be priced lower out of the gate like this. that's something that made the Atrix 2 such a nice offering from AT&T & Motorola but that also had a lot to do with it not having LTE, it had everything else BUT LTE. now the Atrix 3 is here continuing in the same footsteps however it brings generally everything that it's brethren on the upper most pedestals for the carrier have. now we're discussing trade-offs. we all know each OEM has specific strengths and weaknesses when being stacked up to different OEMs, Motorola is no exception. the reason why i asked you what makes the other offerings more compelling is that if you're adding a gimmick here and a feature there to the comparison which is what one would think you're doing being that the aforementioned are so similar spec-wise you might not be remembering all of the trade offs in favor of the Atrix and that's not your fault, on the contrary, i've had much experience with Motorola devices and i know all the ins and outs. for starters the Atrix HD has what is perhaps the most critically acclaimed ICS build on the Market right now. it's nearly stock ICS but it adds some Motorola personality in subtle & clever ways. next is it's inclusion of Webtop 3.0 which is very practical for the everyday business user. i've had experience with the software because i own a Lapdock 500 and i've been running ICS on the Razr and my dad has been running it on his MAXX for 3 months now. this is a great combination if you want something bigger to use like a Tablet or Netbook but don't want to shell out for the extra data, no such concession exists with Webtop because the phone supplements 100% of your data without having to pay for a tethering plan and Version 3.0 is vastly superior to previous builds. my dad uses it with his MAXX every day and he has a Tablet. next is Motorola's superb build quality. most would say it's rivaled by none other than the few exceptions every once in a while i'll admit but generally Motorola devices are built to last, i mean the Atrix here has a Backplate made of Kevlar Microfibers, same material used in Bullet Proof Vests which keeps it light and durable, what more would you want? water resistance? it has that too. i've dropped my Razr in water plenty of times, sometimes just to show off to my friends that own iPhones, works as well as before and then we have Motorola's excellent radios at play here. if you want to keep a data signal or if you want the clearest sounding phone calls then look no further. Motorola is definitely the best in this category. all of this at below average price is a heck of a deal but even at the normal flagship price it's something to consider.
i'm no troll, i'm the king baby, i'd memorize that real quick. ;)
46. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
OEM strengths and weaknesses - Firstly, though the whole dock thing maybe true, you cite use such a minority accessory as a true advantage. Cellphone docks, while innovative, are extremely unpractical and most people have laptop that are able to do 10 times the work with 20 times the efficiency. And docks cost like 100 extra anyway.
What you're saying there is that this phone would appeal to the business user, that returns to my argument of selling points, which I also stated to be subjective because there are a handful of people that value certain specifications over others, like a keyboard dock, and that's ok, but that's an entirely different world to argue. Me and the other guy were arguing how this phone will appeal to the everyday market.
If you were to talk about OEM credibility, Samsung would absolutely sweep this category. Firstly, Motorola is no perfectionist, i.e Bionic that should've been Razr, Razr, pointless Motorola Droid X2, Whose to say there won't be an Atrix Maxx to render this original model pointless? I'm sure you'll be quick to pull out Samsung Galaxy M and stuff like that but that's not the same comparison because those devices were not meant for the same market. Motorola pulled an HTC and released a bunch of different "flagship" phones, most of which were replaced by a significantly superior model within a few months.
Samsung on the other hand, made MASSIVE innovation with their Galaxy line, fixing near, if not all of Android's OS issues while employing some rich, new additions (AMOLED, Galaxy Note etc), while Motorola released the very successful Razr... but then... Razr Maxx.. Sure the build was great, but the OS was simply outmatched by TouchWiz's fluidity and stability and then there was Pentile, non removable battery, that has not yet been quelled with this phone. I've ranted before on how Motorola was pointlessly pursuing the whole "thin-phone" thing, which, to this day has not proven to be that much of an advantage, instead, limiting space for I/O and battery. Then there's Motoblur...
Meanwhile, Samsung was releasing a line of incredibly well-made phones, Galaxy S, Galaxy S2, Skyrocket, Epic 4G Touch, Galaxy Note, Galaxy Nexus and now Galaxy S3. Samsung has made so little mis-steps in recent years, if any. All phones sticking to the Samsung philosophy of stability, innovation and dependability. I don't see any gimmicks here. And as far as the S3, Removable battery, which is a really big deal, believe it or not, larger screen real estate -- I know it's subjective but aye, bigger is better and a very responsive, fluid and proven UI, Motorola hasn't really reached that level yet, even with the Razr Maxx.
Kevlar - Yes, I know it's on bullet-proof vests, but don't go dumping lead into your MAXX =P .. But yes, Moto has defintiely earned a good, if not, the best reputation for build quality, but that is only started with the Droid Razr anyway, nevertheless, is still an advantage.
50. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
you fail to see the point. first of all the updated version hasn't been available to people since literally a few days ago. i've been running leaks for the past three months. we'll see what AT&T & Motorola do for the marketing campaign for this but if they include mentioning that in a time of tiered data it'll catch on, namely to business users like i mentioned before. that brings me to my second point. with a Laptop you'd have to pay for tethering for it. with a Lapdock you don't have to plus it's a more reliable connection since it only relies on the Phone's Radio and then on top of that the Lapdock charges your Phone and with Android 4.0 it has USB Host Support so you can plug a mouse, a printer, a usb drive or whatever else you can think of up to it. there's very practical uses for it that people would only just now be finding out about.
your arguments are outdated. you have no idea what you're talking about. go look at the ICS reviews for the Razr. Moto's nearly stock UI is being acclaimed by critics and consumers alike as the best ICS UI thus far. and as far as Pentile is concerned it exists on the SIII but is a non issue because of it's higher pixel density, same concept with the Atrix plus we don't even know what kind of display it packs so you were a little early to the punch there. hasn't gotten anywhere? oh so having an 8mm thick phone with a 3300mAh battery is nowhere to you huh? display size is a trade off and while i agree that having a removable battery is nice it's not important enough to peel any eyes off the Atrix HD.
i'm not saying it's going to stop a bullet, i'm saying jt's symbolical of how much Moto cares about Craftsmanship. i saw an SIII today and as much as i love Samsung i think they did a really bad job constructing the SIII, it feels wayyyy too cheap. no, actually they've held that for a while. you obviously don't pay much attention to Motorola. your arguments are made from ignorance.
53. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
Lapdock - The only market that this attracts is the business users, it would've made much more sense for this to be implemented as a larger battery, instead of a completely new laptop dock. You seem to completely ignore the fact that the docks cost 100$+ which would call to question the whole point of even buying one. I never denied that this would be good for business users, but most of the casual market do not use their phone in an environment where a dock would be practical, we don't all operate around a desk or something of the sort. Yes, you can charge the phone, but then again, most phones have enough battery to last the entire day. Consumers are well aware of lapdocks but the idea doesn't hold enough practical weight for it to become that innovative. Most people are aware of and look for that functionality on a tablet, like I mentioned before. I guess you are refering to the lapdock for travel, but then again, even in that category it has not become significant enough for people to want it, unless you are a business user, again. Unless you are a business user, that argument has no weight.
I have no idea what I'm talking about, stop getting so emotionally envolved, please.
ICS on Razr - i've seen the reviewers, but this is not the same ICS that will be on the Atrix, so we can make assumptions, but we cannot draw conclusions. This new one on the Atrix clearly has a different skin, and we don't know how well it will perform in terms of fluidity, keyboard, animations etc. We can clearly see on the advertisement the Atrix employs a look unlike the one found on the Razr, so again, those assumptions cannot be made.
Yes, Pentile was on the GS3 but Samsung moved the pixels closer together to remedy this issue. The presence of Pentile mattered more on the Droid Razr because it wasn't an HD screen, and the pixels were so obviously visible. And yes, I know the MAXX was thin, but I guess you completely missed my point - THE MAXX SHOUDLVE BEEN THE ONLY RAZR. The origi Oh and ok, charging your phone with a 100$+ dock is important but a replacable battery, which costs less, isn't important enough.
My arguements are made from ignorance, I don't see where I've been wrong so far, so no.
57. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
Ahh excuse me here for the ICS rant I'm extremely tired, which is probably why I should go to bed either way, but I made the mistake of thinking the Droid ICS and Atrix ICS were different. But from the reviews I have already read, there are still some features found in UX that are not here yet.
63. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
$100 is roughly three weeks of a tethering plan. it pays for itself being that it was created to save money. i have a 4G LTE powered laptop without having to pay one cent a month for it. you forget the Atrix HD isn't even out and the Razr JUST got ICS. the original implementation wasn't that great but now it's better than ever. it's still a market to be catered to. it's still a reason to buy the phone over the others just like S Voice is or Beats Audio is for the SIII and the One X.
are you kidding bro? they're barely different. it's the same concept and that's what has struck gold here.
i was only bringing up key things about the Razr that has weight in our discussion about the Atrix. i am NOT comparing the Razrs to the SIII. the Atrix has an HD Display, Pentile is not likely to be a problem.
that's just an added benefit of having the Lapdock. believe me bro i used to carry around a couple of batteries not that long ago but i've made it without them after having my Razr. it'll be the same story for the Atrix especially since it uses half the voltage.
your points are made from complete bias and lack of information.
67. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
You seem to just be criticizing my argument without citing sources to which my info was outdated or ignorant
Neither S Voice nor Beats are meant to be selling points, So I don't know where that comes from. Beats Audio has been equaled an outmatched by the Wolfson audiochip, and I'm the one with lack of information.
I don't see how Razr ICS is a selling point. UX can do more than it. NonSense 4 was never that great to me anyway.
I was not bringing up Pentile as a means to which I can compare the S3 and the Razr Maxx, I cited it as a reason another weakness in the original razr, and a reason many people opted for the hi-res GalNex. If anything you said the S3 uses Pentile in response to my statement, so you started that comparison.
Laptop is not an "added" benefit, in essence, because you have to pay like a 100$ extra to get it, and I bet I'm undershooting with a 100$,
Good night, and good Riddance.
69. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
um...okay? ICS update reviews? remember those things you said you saw? anything else?
are you kidding me? those are both very much marketed features for their respective devices. you are sleepy huh guy? xD
Moto's version of ICS is cleaner and looks better for Android enthusiasts.
i don't see how that's relevant to anything. i mentioned the Pentile for the SIII because it didn't break the Device, it's HD Resolution had it avoid that bump, same with the HD IF it even has a Pentile Display.
it's a compelling feature for the device that helps to save money. definitely worth mentioning especially since i personally get use out of it and Webtop also works with a simple HDMI connection as well.
still pays for itself bro.
73. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
Yes.. I saw the reviews.. I don't see what your pointing to.
And I never said marketing features, I said selling points, those are two completely different things. Refer to my earlier arguements to get the fuller picture.
Moto's version is certainly not more clear, I don't see where that comes from. And I don't see how it caters to Android enthusiasts anymore than Sense, if anything, true enthusiasts will root the Rom the phone.
I was talking about how Pentile crippled the Razr in many eyes, it may not be directly revelant, but is a testament to how Motorola will leave out key features is supposed flagship devices.
This whoke keyboard arguement is dead. Good that you use it alot, you are the 1%, hope you watch politics. (funny, eh?)
84. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
you can really look back at all the times i've had to correct you without me having to explain it. frankly i'm getting tired of this. i don't know why you're so hell bent on having this discussion.
oh yeah, that's why the S Voice was in your little list of features that make having an SIII better. :P marketing features are features pushed that are meant to be selling features. not that hard to figure out. don't split hairs with me.
dude, you have no room to talk. i've had the OS for months now and i've played extensively with a friend's SIII. Moto's UI is the closest to stock. it's like you haven't read any reviews at all for it guy.
how is that relevant to the Atrix? besides the Razr series has a vast fanbase. i don't think the Pentile Display affected much and besides a trade off is presented from Pentile because it helps save battery life. that's the original reason why Moto used it.
keyboard? i assume you mean the Lapdock? nobody has really had the chance to use it since it updated. we'll see whether or not the updated version of Webtop will be marketed for the Atrix and if so people will take a look at it. people want to like Webtop but it was implemented so poorly in the past that it never took off except for with business users. your whole argument is dead guy. all you were able to come back with is a bad joke.
88. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
Please, Please, Instead of just claiming you've corrected me, can you refer to where and how, instead of just saying the same thing over and over?
I'm not hell bent on anything....
In your explanation, marketing features and selling features are the exact same thing. That is not what I am referring to in selling points.. So no, I'm not splitting hairs.
Yes, I have room to talk, you are not a professional just because I am forced to cite, I will.
" It's delectably light and is shaping up to be one of our favorite skins yet." -- Engadget
In the conclusion.
I don't see where they declare it superior to Touchwiz here, and they said ONE OF OUR FAVORITE, meaning they have not made a clear and outright decision. And obviously Touchwiz is it's biggest competitor so if need be, they would've made a statement directly. And they didn't
"And with it, users can enjoy a less intrusive version of Motorola's MotoBlur interface. Android ICS fanatics will be excited to know that the browser, app drawer, and launcher (for the most part) have remained stock giving users the look and feel of unadulterated Android 4.0." -- PocketNow
These were in fact the best things they were saying about Moto ICS. But then again, I don't see where they reffered to it being superior to Touchwiz.
"Naturally, Samsung's TouchWiz Nature UX and HTC Sense 4.0 come to mind instantly bearing a drastic departure from the vanilla experience of Android 4.0, but with Motorola's take, it seems to dispel all aspects of MOTOBLUR. Instead, it simply appears cleaner and less cartoony, which isn't a bad thing since it's close to the stock experience. " -- PhoneArena
Yes, PhoneArena says it's closest to stock, but that does not necessarily mean it's better -- and never once in this overview did they say it's better.
"So far, it seems to be a nice upgrade from Gingerbread for Motorola's customers, and packs some useful updates for consumers - not to mention the speed boost." -- PhoneDog
Once again, I don't think I need to explain myself.
Now, your probably getting ready to say "reviewer's aren't suppose to say which is better outright". Well, actually, when the GalNex came out which Pure ICS, yes, most stated outright that was the best verion of Android. But now, I can bet they've realized the playing field is pretty equal with Touchwiz and Moto ICS, simply because Touchwiz is extremely refined. I never said Moto ICS UI was bad, I'm simply responding to the claims you are making of everyone supposedly hailing it as the best Android UI of all, which is not true.
92. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
"the OS was simply outmatched by TouchWiz's fluidity and stability and then there was Pentile, non removable battery, that has not yet been quelled with this phone. I've ranted before on how Motorola was pointlessly pursuing the whole "thin-phone" thing, which, to this day has not proven to be that much of an advantage, instead, limiting space for I/O and battery. Then there's Motoblur..."
"Moto has defintiely earned a good, if not, the best reputation for build quality, but that is only started with the Droid Razr anyway,"
"Moto has yet to unveil their Android 4.0 skin"
"Samsung optimizes their software for their hardware so much better than Motorola."
"The last time Moto did that was with the.... uhhhh... Droid X? Moto has yet to turn heads."
that was a real bother to do just so you know.
dude, look at how much you've kept this up. clearly i'm a fan stepping up to bat for Motorola because i've had good experience with them but why are you here still?
marketing features are what the OEM and the Carrier use to turn into selling features. for the average consumer they're certainly things to keep in mind like you kind of said yourself when you included S Voice to your list.
i don't see any praise from Engadget when they're talking about UX, in fact it's just the opposite.
it was a review not a comparison, besides i saw more good points about Motorola's UI than TW from Engadget and we all know how they feel about having the purest Android experience, very seldom will they say that a skin really adds enough to outweigh the cons. UX may do this to a degree but not enough apparently.
when PhoneArena says it's close to stock that's a good thing. they're big fans. i know. i've been around a while.
Nexus reviews are mostly important software reviews as elements from it will be passed along to every high-end Android phone coming out for the next year or so. there's been no comparisons between the UIs but if you take a look a look at reviews side by side you'll probably find more praise of Motorola's Simplicity than Samsung's Functionality and besides that you can look in the comments on articles pertaining to the subject here and see a lot of people with respectable opinions making the claim.
97. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
"The OS was simply outmatched..." Well I was right there.. so I don't see where you corrected me
"Moto definitely early a good.." That is also true.. so I don't see where you corrected me
"Samsung optimizes their software" - That is also true, hence why almost every Galaxy device is extremely smooth. Droid X, Droid 2, Droid 3, Droid Razr, None of these phones have matched the smoothness or fluditiy of Galaxy devices.
"Moto is yet to unveil"
I corrected myself there..
" the last time moto.." That is also true.. basically
First of all, you never corrected me anywhere there , If you did, please post what you said...
99. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
that's opinion. from the Motorola Droid 3 up it's been just as good.
it certainly did not just start with the Droid Razr, it's been like that since the original Droid.
Droid X and Droid 2 felt as fast as the Galaxy S line because the line used the older RFS file system in their version of Froyo. i've had long time experience with a Droid Charge, i know. i remember in real life performance my Droid 2 was so much snappier than my friend's sister's Vibrant too. the Droid 3 and the Droid Razr had greatly optimized software but it couldn't compete with the Exynos powered SIIs. my Razr is smoother than my friend's sister's (same one that had the Vibrant. xD) T-Mobile SII which is powered by an S3. hardware is the source of what you're bringing to question
dude, the Atrix turned heads, the Bionic turned heads for a minute until the Razr turned heads. even the Droid 3 got attention with it's superb keyboard. definitely not true.
oh no, i'm not doing that again. frankly i'm getting sick of this.
89. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
", it may not be directly revelant, but is a testament to how Motorola will leave out key features is supposed flagship devices"
I will use this as a response to your "how is that revelant to the atrix" sentence, funny, you already said that... Yes, it reserves battery life, but not by a substantial margin, Moto also darkened out their UI which contributed greatly to reserving battery life.
"People want to like webtop" -- That the most ridiculous and clearly subjective statement you've said so far, has there ever been a push for smartphone webtop's? There are so many holes in that one sing--- whatever I'll get onto it
"My whole arguement is dead". Once again, making generalities.
93. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
i still don't see how that's relevant. the Atrix HD will have an HD display hence it's name, even if it is Pentile which we don't even know yet it won't matter and besides Pentile didn't slow down the Razr did it? and may i remind you that the SAA Display is Samsung's Display, same thing was in the Galaxy S albeit at a lower resolution.
uh yeah, third party software. there's plenty that's taken off. Motorola just has hardware you can get to make it more useful. don't forget Webtop is just software. i can plug my phone into my T.V. right now and it'll open.
lol, wth? that's what you said. i just turned it back around. xD
47. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
Ran outta space there, but about the LTE radios, I haven't had enough experience with the Razr to verify or discredit this, but I'm sure it is true, so kudos to them there, although, Samsung has never had any major problems with their LTE radios as far as I can remember.
Gimmicks and features - The way Motorola advertised the S3 made most of it's features seem like much more of a gimmick than they really were(Build for human beings... like phones were built for seahorses) But most of them were implemented very well and UX has benefited greatly from these additions. Moto has yet to unveil their Android 4.0 skin, so we'll see, but they're haven't been the most credible when it comes to this, so they are at an uphill climb right now.
The Atrix seems to benefit business users the most, but that's about it. If you're talking about the general consumer market, this phone is two steps below it's brethren. Sure, it does match most of the specs, but Moto hasn't release a phone in a while and you would think it's because they are working something up, and I think they are. It is not the Atrix, this phone is a very good deal at a lower price, but at 200$, Moto will have to pull of something amazing for this phone to sell well.
52. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
actually Samsung is notoriously bad with their radios especially the ones for GPS. a good example would be the Galaxy Nexus which is bad across the spectrum and another being the famed Galaxy S GPS connection issues.
again with the lack of information. ICS is available now for the Razrs. i've actually been running it for months, i know what's up.
i ask you again then. what makes the One X and the SIII so much better than this other than the reputation of the companies which you've been spewing out at me?
59. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
I try not to focus on the One X because I believe that it is only inferior to this phone by a little but Galaxy S3 where should I start.
1. Removable battery - Don't need to say much more
2. Samsung optimizes their software for their hardware so much better than Motorola.
4. More memory out of the box
5. More screen real estate, which can either be a postiive or negative, but the Samsung sized down the phone as a whole to make it easier to hold
6. More Ram
7. S Voice
8. The loads of features that UX added to the settings
9. More battery life, S3 has tested to be best battery phone, I doubt the Atrix will de-throne it.
10. GS3 has technology to transfer all iTunes songs to Android, so far no MOTO ics device has done the same.
11. The Intl. Verizon S3 kills this device.
12.High MP front facing
13. Samsung introduced USB on the GO to make the device open to an immense amount of USB based devices
I could go more in-depth with the international version but that would be a beat down.
66. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
oh a list, that makes things easy.
1. Removable Battery. okay, put that on the Trade-Off list.
2. you have obviously not used a Razr ever in your life.
3. you mean like RAM or Storage? i mean if you ever need that much storage then okay, that's for you but it comes at a $100 price difference here. RAM has a trade off. it's dual-channel vs. more RAM and if you're smart you'd take dual-channel. that's what i'd do.
4. (you skipped 3. btw) there you said it, a Trade-Off to add, moving on.
5. ah, well i talked about that in 3.
6. S Voice is a Gimmick to add to the list of Trade Offs. Motorola has things like Webtop as an answer to that and with JB on the way it's about to become very underused.
7. that vs. the Stock Implementation of Moto's UI, tell me what Android Fans would prefer.
8. probably so point: you.
9. that's irrelevant as there's many alternatives and work arounds NEXT!
10. wait, what? xD we're talking about what to buy on AT&T here. you're not one of those people rhat argue for the sake of it are you?
11. lol orly? i'm sure that 1MP is really something to remember.
12. the native Host support with ICS works with nearly any USB peripheral.
i'd agree that the Intl. would be better than this but we're not talking about that are we?
70. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
Youre going to make me stay up all night. Missed 3, im tired, kill me for it.
1. Trade-off, are we argue on the basis that these phones are the same price? If we are, then this really isn't a trade off, it's simply a better feature.
2. yes, I've used a Razr, i remember the laggy web browser, that has been cited in some many professional reviews. Just tell me if you wanna see.
3. It looks like we are arguing at different price ranges, but I will indulge you. I know what dual channel is, I work with computers too, and memory benchmarks have rated this S3 better than the OX that supports the exact same thing at 1GB.
4. Idk where this trade-off matter is coming from
5. Remind me where?
6. S-Voice isn't a gimmick to everyone. Most to all my friends use Siri and they love it's functionality, and will love the sports additions to ios6 -- S-voice is identical, so maybe a gimmick to you , not to everyone.
7. Neither of us know what fans would prefer, but Touchwiz has many improvements that Moto has yet to employ.
8. I dont know what that means..
9. Yes, I didn't know there was smart stay on rooted devices? Or many of the other motion oriented actions on S3, and many regular consumers will not want to go through even the simplest processes for those additions anyway, right out of box you get it with s3
10. HAHA. Yes. I will make that arguement.
11. It is an improvement, more is more. Am I right?
Well, in essence, we can, because the Intl version is a truer representation of what Samsung wanted the phone to be, so it would only be fair to talk about that version, but eh, I don't want a beatdown here.
85. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
i was just telling so you wouldn't get confused looking at my list and start mismatching.
1. a phone without a removable cover is generally more durable and greater thinness is achieved by doing so. sorry you failed to see that.
2. oh yes, humor me and may i remind you that even if that were the case it wouldn't matter because ICS is on it now.
3. no it doesn't dude. look it up.
4. remember when you said positive and a negative? trade off.
5. #3 guy, #3, don't you read?
6. same argument i've been trying to make with Motorola's features, i could use Smart Actions for instance, that's widely used and Samsung doesn't have it so again, trade off.
7. and Motorola has done what the people wanted by keeping the Stock Holo theme. you can read that anywhere.
8. ...that it has better battery life? that's probably correct?
9. if it mattered so much for people to get their music from iTunes you can make it work, if not there's plenty of alternatives. i'm personally a Spotify Fiend. works beautifully on my Razr. why would you own an Android device and use iTunes anyway considering it's notorious past for support?
10. well i don't care to.
11. but does it really change anything? no. you're just picking straws now.
well that's not what is is here and that's not what i'm talking about. i'm strictly talking about AT&T here. of course the Intl. version is better but so what? what's your point?
90. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
1. Maybe, but then again, thinness doesn't directly help towards making a smartphone better, the whole thinness war is basically over even, except for Apple. And you'd get way much more from being able to remove a battery than the phone just being thin.. Professionals have cited their distate with phones not having removable batteries.
2. I would agree, but once again, you are making an anticipatory statement, that your entire arguement here. and it could be wrong
3. How about you post some benchmarks for once, lmao... I don't wanna be looking around
4. You so generously use the word trade-off as if both sides are completely equal, which, they aren't usually, and the Galaxy S3 has rarely gotten any "too big" or "bulky" review notices. So as far as I can tell, more positive than negative, they are one of the few pioneers of larger screens.
5. Please state where you've talked about "it" and C and Paste the quotes so I'm clear
6. Smart actions vs. Smart stay, Font editing, Color saturation mode, battery percentage, Information Ticker, the myriad of motion-based S3 Actions, Tec Tiles.. Looks kind uneven to be.. and I can keep going.
7. Refer to my other comment
8. Well, the S3 currently has best battery life so..
9. What you would use doesnt matter here first of all.. and yes you can make it work on the S3 but on other android devices there are lots of processes you have to go through, and because it's the largest distributor of music? and millions of people have bought music I assume they don't want to re-buy?
10. didnt think you would.
11. Haha well it is.
Every MotoDroidRazr product, even the international ones, have the exact same specs, so you can assume Motorola but all their work and passion and made the best possible version of the product they could. The US galaxy S3 isnt the best possible version of Galaxy S3, it would only be fair for me to but the Intl version because it would in essence be fair to compare the Intl verision...
94. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
1. does it matter when 3300mAh batteries are going into phones that are 8mm thin? if that's what is coming out of Motorola's private thinness war then i'll give a cheer.
2. what are you saying? Moto's GB Browser was solid. it wasn't as nice as Samsung's browser on Exynos powered handsets but that's really all it came second too. you can look up benchmarks.
4. trade-offs come in when it's up to the user to decide if it's better for them or not. with a smaller HD Display it of course CAN make a handset more usable and pocketable and it's smaller screen size with the same resolution display as the 4.8" HDSA display of the SIII will create higher pixel density for a sharper image. trade-offs.
5.oh my gosh, this is so unnecessary...you talked about memory and i didn't know if you were talking about ROM or RAM so i made points about both. later you mentioned RAM so i used my reply on 3 as the reference point.
6. yeah, if that's all you were comparing. Motorola has more tricks up their sleeve than Smart Actions. so quick to downplay aren't ya?
7. ah yes, that's alright, i have something for you to read about that.
8. yeah, better than the Atrix.
9. just an example. it's pretty cool that it does that but it's not a real big stand out feature besides with MotoCast you can stream or download your iTunes Playlists.
10. it'd be foolish but i think you're making this more into a straight up Motorola vs. Samsung thing than an Atrix vs. AT&T SIII thing. i wouldn't argue that any Motorola handset could compete with the Intl.
11. well bravo then.
why are you always bringing this back to the Razr? the Razr is nearly a YEAR OLD. the Galaxy SIII JUST CAME OUT. we'll talk when the Razr HD comes out.
95. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
1. The thinness has nothing to do with it there, the battery is the reason the MAXX lasts so long, funny thing is, most reviewers preffered the bigger design just for the bigger battery, which directly goes against your whole thinness arguement.
2. Wasn't even as good as Galaxy Nexus' browser, and benchmarks when it comes to browser don't reflect real life performance all the time. Things like smoothness are not a direct result of better benchmarks. Look here:http://www.anandtech.com/show/
3. Funny, because those same reviews make my exact point : "Initially, the lower benchmark figures would make some people think that its performance is going to be sub-par, but that's not the case. Sure, we might see a tiny bit of slowdown every now and then, but it's still a rare occasion for us to see it. Furthermore, it maintains the same smooth and instantaneous performance as its quad-core packing sibling – so don't let those benchmark numbers fool you. Oh yeah, did we mention that these US variants are packing 2GB of RAM instead of the usual 1GB? Strangely, the AnTutu benchmark app indicates to us that the both our review units have a RAM amount of 1658.3MB."
Verge : " The quad-core Exynos remains the fastest mobile processor we've tested yet, but the S4 isn't far behind — it powers plenty of high-end phones, and handles the Galaxy S III with aplomb. T-Mobile's device also has 2GB of RAM, which makes multitasking feel smoother than ever"
Engadget: "Let's go over a few other details. First, despite reports of some US models only taking advantage of 1GB of RAM, we were able to confirm that the T-Mobile, Sprint and AT&T versions all have a full 2GB. Since all US iterations use a Snapdragon S4 1.5GHz dual-core processor rather than the international's quad-core Exynos, this is a helpful compromise to ensure American users enjoy a smooth performance. It's also a huge bar-raiser for flagship devices that will make their debut sometime this year -- if a smartphone doesn't offer that extra gigabyte of memory, it had better be extremely efficient with the RAM it already has."
4. But if you look at criticism of the smallest and largest phones with high PPI displays
iPhone - The screen is way to small, finally iPhone 5 can have a bigger screen, people say that so often..
Galaxy S3 - ................?
Droid Razr - Pentile. Moto could have used Super Amoled Plus, Like samsung did, to make the display more crisp. The battery life on the Galaxy SII was very-well recieved, not far at all from the Razr.
6. What are those tricks exactly? Anticipatory. NEXT
7. You were making assumptive statements there through and through. Ran outta space.
98. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
1. the thinness has everything to do with it. Motorola uses a special laser cutting manufacturing method for phones like the Razr and is the reason why it was possible to fit such a big battery into the phone without making it real thick.
2. i don't know what you want me to tell you. the Razr had a good browser for a GB device. real life performance proved it as well as benchmarks.
3. i'm sure the US versions are still very fast but are they as fast as they could possibly be? no. even Engadget reports evidence of slow down which should not exist in devices of this caliber. as you can see the benchmarks tell a different story. while SoCs have now crossed a threshold of power being a real non-issue and you can argue that the SIII w/ 2GB of RAM performs well you can't argue that it performs the best. i've never had multitasking problems with my Razr and it has 1GB of dual-channel memory. either give me 2GB of dual-channel memory or i'll happily stick to the 1GB.
4. the iPhone? really? the Atrix's Display is a whole inch larger. xD
we don't know that. yeah, SA+ was also WVGA resolution while SAA was qHD resolution if you didn't take that into account.
6. i've been explaining those to you. Smart Actions, MotoCast, Webtop, MotoPrint, MotoActv, Motorola Car Finder all as relevant as the things you mentioned.
7. that's really all that can be made at this point but the evidence support my assumptions.
TWUX does indeed have the capacity to be likable but it really comes down to personal preference and who's opinion really matters so forgive me if i don't take the word of tech blogs no one has ever heard of before
8. that would be a stupid argument to make and i'm not making stupid arguments here.
9. dude, i use it all the time to download things from my computer. don't educate me on features you know nothing about.
10. i used the Razr's design direction and software because that's what the Atrix HD is based off of but improved in many ways.
11. your welcome.
i kinda covered that in #10 and i certainly don't think the S4 can beat the 4412 but that doesn't matter here in the States or on AT&T. the Razr HD will no doubt use an S4 clocked @ 1.5GHz but that'll put it on par with the SIII. as far as the camera goes the 13MP rumor is pretty solid, there's versions of the Razr in China with 13MP cameras. it'll either be HDSA or this new Display that the Atrix is bringing but either or will compare nicely with the SIII. what would make the Razr HD the true competition to the SIII and perhaps even slayer will be the build quality like you mentioned, the battery and the camera.
100. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
1. I'd like to see what article you read, I know kevlar is laser cut but pleaes . And still, what your saying is thinness allowed Motorola to put a bigger battery, as if if the phone weren't thin, it wouldn't be able to have that battery. That makes no sense, I would attribute that to Motorola's good reputation for build quality than the phone's thinness.
2. I know you don't know what to tell me, because you seem to have no real grounding in most of your arguements rather than what YOU have experienced, as if everyone experienced the same. I'm looking at things from a much bigger stand-point.
3. You are putting more of your trust in benchmarks than in human perception, which is way more reliable. And basically what your saying is that even though 1GB sports dual-channel support, and is no faster than 2GB as reviewed by the REVIEWERS and not the NUMBERS, which clearly did not give an accurate image of how well one performed against the other, you would still pick 1GB.. why? 2GB simply gives you more space to run more applications without hiccups AS REVIEWED, while running at the same perceived speed, so far you have given me to visible proof that dual-channel is that advantageous. And I never said the best, If anything, they perform exactly equal, Benchmarks cannot dissaprove this because what matters at the end of the day is how the human being percieves performance, and neither was percieved to be better.
4. Yes, I used the iPhone because you argued that smaller screens are known to be more pocketable. And I know the Razr is based on qHD, but RGB provided better pictures and videos becuase the pixels are closer to each other, as I'm sure you know.
102. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
1. i remember it was talked about at the announcement event. you can look on engadget or whatever if you want to. it keeps the phone from becoming a brick with it. constructing the phone with keeping it thin in mind is how this is accomplished.
2. okay, now you're really pissing me off. just what have i said that differs from what you'd find on the web? hmm?
3. i don't care guy. reviewers had similar things to say about S3 powered SIIs but that certainly wasn't the case. i put more weight on my hardware knowledge than what any reviewer has to say. adding 2GB of RAM was a real offshoot move by Samsung. i wouldn't expect anyone else to do that anytime soon so 1GB will be enough and i'd rather have better performing RAM than more RAM than necessary.
4. i was merely citing one of the advantages of having a smaller display but we're not talking along the lines of the freaking iPhone. it's tiny! i brought up qHD for it's battery consumption not because of it's matrix.
5. ?
101. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
Messed up there
6. Smart Actions OK. Motocast, bettered by Music Hub on GS3, Webtop 250$ to even take advantage of and still a minority of the population uses it. Motoprint - How on earth is this as important as any of the features I posted? Its called laptops and desktops, pal. MotoActiv - 3rd party apps do so much better than this, and people are much more likely to trust 3rd party apps because they have information stored on their networks usually, i.e weight watchers. Motorola Carfinder - GPS apps are so ubquitious and once again, this is largely use less to the mass market.
Near all of the apps you posted there require externals to actually become useful and do not actually help the phone itself i.e. car, printer, workout routine, 250$ weptop set. And none of them have been cited as MOTO ICS advantages.
7. Yes exactly, your argument there has no real basis but rumor and speculation. These techblogs may not be known as well, but they state more facts rather that subjective statements...
8. Your entire argument is stupid...
9. Once again, your own experience, instead of looking at other's collective experiences. Made my point about this already.
10. Now you're referring to something else completely. As I recall, my 1st #9 post was about battery life, and that statement was true. My 11th was about the Intl version of Galaxy S3 and it's superiority to all moto devices. Please explain this further becuase now you're just confusing me.
Software wise - the Atrix HD will have to ship with a different version of MotoICS for the software to really improve by anything at all, because many features on TouchWiz aren't even listed on the MotoICS settings.
Design direction - So far, the only advantage of the Atrix over the S3, that is, if the person appreciates the thinner kevlar design over the fuller S3 design. I agree, kevlar is safer but thinness doesn't appeal to everyone, which is why some reviewers liked the MAXX, not just its battery, but it's larger, easier to hold frame. And then there's the whole removable battery issue.
I know S4 will not beat 4412, once again, it does matter, refer to my comment about with version of phone is a truer representation of quality in my last post. It has nothing to do with ATT. Megapixels don't matter as much as image sensor either way, I'm sure you know that. As far as the display, I'm sure color boost will compete, then comes into question screen size, but we'll see that. I've already talked about build quality. Yes, battery and if 13mp makes that much of a difference, camera will be the deciding factors. Hopefully for you, Moto will decide do add a larger battery at the same price.
I don't even know why the Razr HD was brought into this when we were comparing the Atrix and Galaxy S3 in the first place...
103. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
6. it's your opinion that Music Hub is better and besides MotoCast is used for more than just music. i didn't even know anyone used Music Hub tbh. xD i explained the advantages of Webtop to you and you don't HAVE to spend $250 to use it, it works through straight HDMI. oh yeah, how could i think wireless printing is as important as font editing? there's plenty of third party apps that do better than Samsung's offerings too so don't even go there. yeah, same with NFC there pal.
7. facts based on what? their opinions? xD
8. is that the best you got?
9. uh no, this is me telling what functionality a certain program has not me telling you how well it works for me which is pretty well btw.
10. yes and the Intl. is better than everything so what's your point? there's things that Motorola devices can do that Samsung devices can't do too so again, what's your point? i think you're forgetting a lot of other things too like Motorola's reliability in wireless reception and plenty of other useful features.
oh my god you're so stupid. i literally face palmed. i am so done with you after this. we are talking about an entirely different phone. we're not making this about the Intl. because i know it's better than everything simply because of that godly 4412, that's enough. my argument from the beginning has been about the US version, the AT&T version. whatever "better representation" it has doesn't change the fact that an S4 beats inside of it. the image sensor for the Razr HD is confirmed as F2.4 so it's good there. wouldn't be a worry for me the extra money would be worth it.
you brought it up guy, you brought it up but it doesn't matter, i'm through arguing with you. i literally can't stand having this discussion with you anymore so good day sir.
104. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
Haha well considering that your leaving I might as well post 1 more..
1. I basically already addressed that.
2. Because you claim the Razr web browser was just as smooth as samsung devices... and articles have said otherwise..
3. S3 devices weren't smooth... I'll just move on from there. From what ive seen, you need to up your hardware knowledge.. and I guess if your so Einstein sign up at PhoneArena, PhoneDog, you pick, because there seems to be a great deal of intelligence the mobile world hasn't stumbled upon yet.. Haha and so is making a 5.3 inch phone right?
4. Oh so for you battery drain, which is not as noticeable as display quality, matters more when choosing displays. You are the 1%
6. Oh yes, connecting phones to the TV via HDMI. First of all, once again, doesn't improve the phone itself and requires externals to prove useful. And once again, connecting phones to TVs has never been that popular at all, functionality is not optimal. No one is going to use thier TV to charge, or browse the web via TV screen, and most people do not purchase movies for their phones but via their computers or TV's. The reason this is implied is because that service has not become popular whatsoever.
7. I don't see how lack of something like smart stay is subjective.. but ok.. I'll end it there.
8. "Best I've got" .. Wtf is that the best YOU'VE got?
9. This has become to garbled I don't even know what you were referring to.
10. Once again, speaking in generalities, but ok.
Image sensor - same as iPhone sooo. Next statement .. subjective to your own personality..
representation - If you don't understand what I'm saying, your dumb.
Good day =) .. I'm sure we'll meet again =D
96. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
7. Here is what PhoneArena had to say about Touchwiz - "Specifically, we find the TouchWiz Nature UX running on top of Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich – so yes, it has the best of both worlds out of the box! To tell you the truth, the new software experience is simply what makes the smartphone so refreshing and a pleasure to use. By far, it's the biggest overhaul we've seen with Samsung's longtime interface, but more importantly, it introduces some new functionality that makes sharing easy and painless. At its core, it maintains all of the refined characteristics of the Android platform – like its wealth of personalization and quick access to certain apps directly from the lock screen."
Here are some comparisons. : http://blog.laptopmag.com/mobi
Read it and weep.
8. Well, I don't know if you were being sarcastic.. but.. ok
9. I know about motocast, but that is content is only stream-able when you computer is turned on, and motocast was very poorly recieved.
10. No, I'm not, you asked for reasons why GS3 was better than Atrix from Software to hardware, and I gave to you, you slowly introduced different devices. and on certain aspects, it'd be impossible compare the two without citing OEM reputation for quality.
11. Thank you very much =D
You seem to flip-flop on the Razr brand, citing it when it helps you and disregarding it when it doesn't first of all.
Goes the same for the Atrix, in theory, unless you think Snapdragon S4 could kill Exynos 4412. And to be honest, unless the Razr HD introduces a new TI OMAP, I doubt S4 on that will perform better than the Exynos... Nothing has cited Razr HD might bring in higher MP camera. And so far, Moto has used Samsung Amoled technologies for screen so one would assume it will spot the same screen as the GS3. RAM is a toss-up. Where they can make the difference is build quality, so I will give Motorola that, I guess we will see.
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And yes, credibility plays a huge role into these phones.. So I haven't been "spewing" this for no reason.. Samsung seems to be the only OEM that have been cited as the iPhone killer, releasing devices like the Galaxy Tab that Apple is trying to pry from the hands of consumers, Xyboard... eh..
64. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
And one more thing before I head to sleep, possibly. How can you not see important in OEM credibility when you bank your entire arguement on chance. Atrix HD may be horribly optimized, with a lackluster camera and bad battery life -- you don't know that.
You can only base your arguement on the OEM's history to be produce well made devices? You are contracting yourself there.
So far GS3 has solidified it's self as the best well-rounded Android handset. This has been prevalent within the entire Galaxy series. The One X stole that trophy for a bit but then Sammy came right back with the S3. Even with tablets. The last time Moto did that was with the.... uhhhh... Droid X? Moto has yet to turn heads. I'm really hoping Razr HD will be it because I really wanted that device, but for some reason, Moto is releasing it late, allowing Sammy to build a strong S3 fanbase. Hopefully Google can shape Moto up.


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A slang word used to describe people or a person that is annoying and makes you itch, People who annoy you and won't get of your head
They won't stop talking and their annoying as fuck, these niggas are lice bruh
door Three Pac 16 oktober 2014
A derogatory label, used in good humor, to call someone who has either just beaten you or has been winning excessively in a card game (usually poker).
Common in West-Central Pennsylvania.
Common in West-Central Pennsylvania.
"We're playing Hold'Em, and he's beaten me three times in a row. What a louse!"
door Justin Zelman 14 januari 2006
Hideous fusion of the words LA and Ice, the name of an Australian soft drink. Resulted from attempting to talk way too fast while high on crack.
omggggg i need some liceeeeee
door funward 28 mei 2008
Lice are little bugs that live in your hair. Plural name is "Louse." They lay eggs that look like black balls with a clear tail attached to strings of hair. Usually very hard to get out. Lice are spread by sharing combs, clothes, pillows, beds, hats, hair accesories, etc. In the U.S only white people can get lice because their hair follocules are a different shape then Africans. Vice Versa. Pets and wild animals cannot get Lice either. Their eggs are called nits.
Stupid Lice, they keep running to a different area of your hair whenever i try catching one.
door heyheyheyy(: 24 april 2011
An attorney who does not represent his/her client well.
Seth did not show up for a meeting with his client, he sure is a louse.
door Joojy 20 juli 2005
clearly a derogatory name for the police, as in poLICE.. especially when they are seen as threatening or when you are doing something midly illegal
"bah lets get out of here, the place is swarming with lice"
door Tom White 18 mei 2006
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Stupid fat ugly older woman who posts non-stop on message boards about old lady topics, such as hummus recipes and their current object of lust. This object of obsession is usually a fugly contestant on American Idol (e.g. Taylor Hicks) or some other fug and/or gay singer, who they insist is very sexy and/or straight. Also hausfraus.
NOUN - The fraus are worthless and should be banned.
ADJECTIVE - She wasn't frau enough to join their Taylor board.
ADJECTIVE - She wasn't frau enough to join their Taylor board.
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Frau is the German for "Mrs."
Frau Braun ist ein scheisskopf.
by Woof! March 17, 2005
A blond haired, blue eyed perverted, yet hardcore bishop that is also known as Zehel (one of the 07-Ghosts). He has a huge ass scythe that pops out of his right hand when needed. He also has an obvious man crush on his "bishop apprentice", Teito Klein.
Frau totally has the hots for Teito Klein, even though Teito is merely just a kid.
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another name for a cigarette
"dude, got a spare frau?"
by beardlicker2 May 09, 2010
A term used by hot little good girls who dont want to use naghty words to describe a person, so they call them a Frau. in actuality, Frau is the German word for a formal title for a woman. example: Frau Jones, or Frau Andersen. Similar to Mrs. as in Mrs Jones or Mrs Anderson.
Don't change the channel you stupid Frau. I was watching that.
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my ex German teacher
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Fantastic news! Sounds like with PROPER rest she will be able to complete again.
Unless a skater is blatantly working the system and knowingly falling or what not to get the points (ala Buttle in 2006 on his stupid quad) I don't understand why the skater gets all the blame heaped upon them for winning/scoring high. the judges make that call.
And Czisny in turn is exceedingly gracious to extend her thanks to everyone here.
Her mind must be reeling as to what the future will hold for her, and yet she is putting thought and time into writing personalized replies.
Love her strength and generosity and warmth and classiness.
After over 10 years of no major injuries Alissa now has had two in just the last year. Maybe her body is telling her something. She's at the age where injuries start to pile up.
I honestly think last season when she was training all of those 3lz-3ts is what did it. She started off the season with a very ambitious layout even though the combo and all of the triples never materialized in competition. But she'd been practicing that all summer...
Before the end of the season she had the injury to her toe, right after nationals she started experiencing problems with her labrum...and now she's dislocated her hip.
It's so sad. It really reminds me of what happened to Michelle. She wanted to continue to compete but her body started breaking down...literally. Her hips were literally coming apart! There's only so much wear and tear a body can take and, from all indications, Alissa is approaching or has reached her limit.
I'm glad Michelle stopped when she did, and I hope that Alissa can find a way to move forward without hurting herself more. If she skates noncompetitively in the future, I hope she stays away from the jumps. If she chooses another path, I hope she finds one as satisfying to her as the one Michelle has embarked on.
If you ever had the honor of sitting next to her at an event, you could see she has the fastest thumbs in the west! And she is very gracious so I am not suprised at the response time.
I just miss her artistry and I havent even left for nats yet...
Chris learning to send e-mails with his new tablet and semi smart phones....and who is all thumbs.....
Great news I am still cautiously optimistic because there is a tendency for athletes and those around them to print a rosier picture when it comes to injuries and then I reminded about age and MK Regardless Alissa is bright and will have a great future no matter what she chooses to do.
I must say, although Czisny has done many things in her career that I either didn't like or didn't agree with, her kind is very rare. Not enough athletes / actors / famous people take the time to respond to fans and I have nothing but respect for those that do. You can tell she TRULY appreciates her fans - so many forget that fans even exist. And at least in the music & movie industries, in the end it's the fans who keep you employed - they buy your records or watch your movies.
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Solar-powered school zone signals, crosswalks, more stop signs to create more "all-way" intersections and a few more handicapped ramps are among improvements Lower Macungie Township is planning in neighborhoods around Willow Lane Elementary School.
Preliminary safety improvement plans for children who may be walking to the school were discussed Thursday afternoon by Lower Macungie officials.
East Penn School District plans to save more than $100,000 a year in transportation costs by no longer providing busing for children who live within 1.5 miles of that school, which is at the intersection of Sauerkraut and Willow lanes and opened in September 2010.
Both the township and school district plan to make safety improvements on and around the school property before the 2013-14 school year begins in late August.
Township commissioner James Lancsek predicted 90 percent of Willow Lane's parents will drive their children to and from school rather than having them walk if busing is reduced.
Commissioner Douglas Brown wondered if the school district is planning sufficient parking if parents picking up children at the end of the school day are required to go inside the building and sign their children out.
While at least a few Willow Lane parents concerned about the "walking school" issue usually attend township and school board meetings, none were at the township commissioners' planning and zoning committee Thursday, possibly because they learned East Penn was not sending anyone to that meeting to explain its preliminary plans for the school.
"We're moving full speed ahead until somebody says otherwise," said William Erdman, who is the township's engineer. "In order to meet that August deadline, we can't sit back and wait. As long as we keep going full speed ahead, we should be okay."
He said the good news is neighborhoods around the school have an extensive sidewalk system, with handicapped ramps.
"This isn't a final plan," stressed Alan Fornwalt of Keystone Consulting Engineers, when he presented it to officials.
A pair of the flashing amber lights, which designate a 15-mph school zone, are proposed along Willow Lane between Sauerkraut Lane and Wheatland Drive. The two lights will be no more than 1,600 feet apart, the maximum distance allowed by law, and each will face traffic. Two more of the signals are proposed along Mill Creek Road south of Sauerkraut Lane.
If there are too many signals with artificially low speed limits, people tend to ignore them, said Fornwalt. "We've tried to concentrate in the areas that will be most important to pedestrians," he explained.
Solar-powered signals are more expensive, said Erdman, "but not cost prohibitive." They also will eliminate possible delays regarding running wires from an electric source.
Fornwalt said permits for the solar-powered school zone signals should be submitted to the state Department of Transportation within the next week.
Two ramps for handicapped accessibility will be added to the neighborhoods and a third will be reconstructed. Fornwalt said a new handicapped ramp costs about $4,500. Lancsek said it is the responsibility of residents to install such ramps at their properties.
"We're setting a precedent if we pay for it."
Fornwalt said "all-way" stop signs must be added at some intersections where children cross, so every crosswalk has a stop sign.
He said crosswalks will be installed at intersections that have stop signs to protect children. The only exception will be crosswalks with crossing guards.
Residential areas with fewer vehicles probably will just have two lines designating a crosswalk. But main roads, such as Willow, Sauerkraut and Mill Creek, will have "more outstanding" crosswalks that have colored, textured surfaces.
Under the direction of Township Manager Bruce Fosselman, no one responded to a question about paying crossing guards. East Penn anticipates the possibility of sharing the costs for guards.
The school district now plans to present its final plan to the township planning and zoning committee at 4 p.m. March 14. East Penn officials were going to make that presentation Thursday, but did not attend because their engineer could not make it. Plans must be approved by township commissioners and East Penn School Board.
Erdman showed township officials the school district's proposed improvements at Willow Lane Elementary, but stressed he was doing so only to raise the issue of "what is the procedural requirement for the township to approve the revised land development plan."
Erdman said he's yet not done a formal review of the district's plan and declined to talk about any specifics because East Penn officials were not there to explain them. He said East Penn is making changes in the circulation of traffic and pedestrians on the school property in anticipation of more children walking.
Sara Pandl, the township's planning and community development director, said East Penn Superintendent Thomas Seidenberger told her the district's improvements will be made at Willow Lane whether or not it becomes a "walking school."
Despite that, Lancsek wants a commitment from the school district before Lower Macungie spends "all kind of money and then they change their minds about busing. I hate to be spending money if we don't have to."


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A memorial service for the late U.S. Sen. Warren Rudman will be held Friday afternoon in Concord. The service begins at 3 p.m. at the federal courthouse.
Rudman served as a New Hampshire's attorney general before being elected to the Senate in 1981. He co-authored what many consider a groundbreaking law to balance the federal budget and led a commission that warned of the terrorist threat on U.S. soil before the attack on Sept. 11, 2001.
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NEBWOO: Non-Essential Busy-Work (ooooh). The double "O" at the end doesn't really stand for anything, but rather serves to make the acronym sound better.
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The Altoona Area school board could be on schedule to vote on a potential elementary school closing near the end of this school year.
Tim Lucas has been through talk about closing schools for years as a means of re-evaluating how to use district resources, but closing options were presented for the first time recently by McKissick and Associates owner and architect Vern McKissick.
"I was shocked by the wide array of potential," Lucas said days after the meeting.
The options ranged from ideas tossed around for years to others that were completely "off the wall."
Looking at the options, board President Ryan Beers told McKissick, "I feel lost."
The options did not include how school closings would affect class size, transportation or utility cost savings, but if the board gained any sure footing from the options, it's that enrollment will probably remain consistent through 2020 and there is plenty of empty room in the district's buildings.
The district's total excess capacity between elementary and secondary schools is 2,900 seats and potentially 3,500 seats with further renovation.
"That's the equivalent of another school," McKissick said.
He presented five sets of closing scenarios, each set with about five variations, solely based on building capacity and population of attendance areas.
"Not all are keepers, but they are definitely proof we looked at all potentiality out there," he said.
Superintendent Dennis Murray said a major goal is to "get something closed for next year. And then maybe expand the closings."
Option No. 1 was to close one or to two schools.
"That is really where your head's been previously," McKissick said to the board.
Two buildings would "definitely" be possible for next year, he said.
The first option conceptualized the closing of Wright Elementary and possibly Washington-Jefferson or Penn-Lincoln because they are in the least populated attendance areas, McKissick's report showed.
"In reality, no one building is most apparent to close," Beers said. "These options don't have any information on staffing, class size or bottom dollar saved."
Beers said his first priority is to go with the "route of least pain," which he said is to sell auxiliary buildings not used for education or "get them off the taxpayers' dime."
District storage at a former Furrer Beverage building and tax offices at two other buildings might find new locations inside schools with excess capacity.
The second option set showed a possibility for two to three schools closing if capacity across the district is recaptured from elementary school computer labs and other spaces such as large group instruction areas, McKissick said.
"Computer labs are not in demand as they once were. It's all going into classrooms," McKissick said.
Option set three is "a slightly different direction," he said, because of its proposed building project.
Keith and Roosevelt junior high schools closed in 2008, after the combining of the two junior highs into the newly constructed Altoona Area Junior High at 1400 Seventh Ave.
With a new school built on the former Keith athletic field, four to five elementary schools could close.
"With this option you'd be looking at a new building to serve the city essentially, rather than trying to drag students to buildings on the periphery," McKissick said.
Board members including Lucas and Beers said it was "off the wall."
"I don't think there is any chance of building a new school on Keith Field," Beers said.
The fourth option, to close four elementary schools, would necessitate grade level changes in buildings districtwide.
It may sound like "sacrilege" to change the 5-year-old junior high to a sixth- to eighth-grade middle school, McKissick said. "But we thought we should put it out there as to what we've done for alternatives," he added.
Elementary schools would serve kindergarten to fifth grade, the middle school would have sixth to eighth grades, ninth-graders would be relocated to a closed elementary school or move into the senior high school.
During the meeting, Ron Johnston read a letter he received that shone a favorable light on that option.
"By moving sixth-graders to the junior high, changing it to a middle school, it would help develop a rigorous curriculum as sixth-graders would be out of elementary atmosphere and exposed to a more challenging learning environment," he said, reading from the letter. "It makes sense from an athletic point of view for ninth-graders to be in the high school because many of them are on high school teams."
When McKissick asked them whether he should leave that option in plans for further consideration, board members nodded. But Lucas said if grade changes would happen it would be in the next eight to 20 years. Beers said that would probably never happen.
As for option five, McKissick called it "very extreme," but he is doing something similar at Williamsport currently.
The district would close five kindergarten to sixth-grade schools, turn the remaining elementary schools into kindergarten through fourth grades and make middle schools fifth through eighth grades.
"That will be tight with the capacity of the junior high," McKissick said. "But thought I'd put it out there to show you it doesn't work [for Altoona]."
McKissick and the board plan to "flesh out" and refine the options Feb. 4. McKissick would format them for publication on the district's website.
"We'll be looking for public input in mid-February," Beers said.
To close a building for next year, the board must hold a public hearing and advertise that meeting no less than 15 days prior to the date of the hearing.
Following the public meeting, the board must wait 90 days to vote on a plan.
On that schedule, the board could vote on a building closing by mid-May.
"Our discussion is not about bad buildings and good buildings," McKissick said. "Your buildings are generally in great shape. It's about buildings in the right place and too many buildings. In a nutshell, that's where we are at."


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