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6 Songs People Apparently Think Are by the Wrong Artist
I hesitated to write this column because I could already hear the loudmouths in the comments, dying to profess that they know who sang every song in the history of everything, and that only tone deaf simpletons could make these mistakes. I can hear these comments because they're precisely the kind of things I would say. Nevertheless, even though your musical knowledge may be impeccable (and mine most certainly is), I thought I'd list a bunch of well-known songs that are often wrongly attributed to other artists.
Before I begin, can I just tell you how much fun I've had brainstorming this article? Just the perfect topic to be pondered on a bar stool, and clearly the best time I've had with "research" since I wrote that article entitled "What Are All the Different Things Dan O'Brien Doesn't Like Stuck in His Ear?"
How did DOB feel about this? The answer may surprise you.
#6. "Mr. Blue Sky" Is Not by the Beatles
This is the third time I've written about "Mr. Blue Sky," which is one of my favorite songs by Electric Light Orchestra (ELO). Considering that ELO was a hugely successful band of the '70s and the song was a massive hit, I was really surprised to learn how many people thought this tune was by the Beatles. But it's true, and they're in the comments from the last two times I wrote about it. But rather than embarrassing any of those Cracked readers with screencaps of their comments, I thought I'd just show you that this confusion is indeed out there.
The answer, of course, is "No," and also "Why not just Wiki it?"
If you don't know the song, then you're either Amish or allergic to movies, because aside from being a classic rock radio staple, it's also used in movie trailers incessantly. Take a listen, but only if you're not afraid to feel insanely happy:
How did this happen? Well, as much as I'm shocked to learn that people have mistaken this quintessential ELO song for the Beatles, I can get it. The song is a pop rock gem, it couples traditional rock with an excellent string arrangement and it uses some of the same background voices and sound effects as the Beatles did in their later recordings. Indeed, John Lennon once said that if the Beatles had remained a band they would have probably sounded a lot like ELO, so you're forgiven. I guess.
#5. "Walking in Memphis" Is Not a Lost Michael Bolton Classic (There's No Such Thing)
In 1991, a nice bearded young man named Marc Cohn burst onto the music scene, releasing a monster hit called "Walking in Memphis." The song went to No. 13 on the Billboard charts, and Marc Cohn won a Grammy for Best New Artist in 1992! And then because it wasn't the '70s and there was no such thing as singer-songwriters with sustainable careers, he went away.
But he left us with this classic, never knowing that future generations might attribute his work to a mullet-sporting ass clown.
It's hard to prove some of these things, but Cracked's own Adam Tod Brown assures me he's heard people mistaking this song for a Michael Bolton tune numerous times in his life, and, apparently, all those morons that Adam knows also like to sell illegal downloads.
I have it on good authority, these links were both generated by ATB's BFFs.
How did this happen? A few years before Cohn was entering and leaving the national consciousness, another performer with no writing ability and far less talent was breaking onto the music scene. A man known as Michael Bolton. And not the one from Office Space.
This Michael Bolton had a husky but sweet and soulful voice, like Cohn's, but unlike Cohn's output, Bolton decided to infuse a healthy dose of schmaltz and crap into everything he did. Indeed, Bolton's musical output is so riddled with cheese and feces that it's often mistaken for a Taco Bell chalupa. If you took "Walking in Memphis" and removed everything that made it good, you might get this following song, so I guess I see why some people are confused:
#4. "Long Cool Woman" Is Not by Creedence Clearwater Revival
The first time I ever heard "Long Cool Woman" was when my older brother played it for me and said something like, "Yeah, this song is called 'Long Cool Woman' and it's by the Hollies," so I never really had a chance to be confused. But the other day while I was having lunch at a neighboring watering hole, I heard this song on the bartender's iPod mix. The thing is, he'd included the song in a mix comprised mostly of Creedence Clearwater Revival songs. And ya know what? It fit right in. My friend even said, "Hey, Creedence," and it took me like a full 20 seconds before I mocked his stupidity. But I'm sure it's a common mistake. Take a listen:
Now take a listen to some Creedence:
How Did This Happen? No angry comments, please. I'm not saying one song stole from the other. I'm saying all those people out there who don't know who the Hollies are assume "Long Cool Woman" is CCR because of the similar style of this specific song to Creedence's trademark sound. Furthermore, this song doesn't sound anything like a typical Hollies tune. Other Hollies hits include songs like "Carrie Anne" and "The Air That I Breathe" (which, regardless of what the English court system and even this publication may tell you, was not ripped off by Radiohead. If one chord change and two notes of verse melody always served as a proper basis for plagiarism, no one could ever copyright music ever).
Lastly, some people mistake that opening riff for T. Rex, which is understandable, too, considering that "Bang a Gong" tone he's getting. Basically, the song sounds like it's by just about anyone but the Hollies.


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A shockingly dreadful whore.
Heidi Montag, Lindsay Lohan and Paris Hilton are all whorendous.
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the skanky nasty bitches your b/f cheats on you with
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Misspelling of "horrendous." What are these people thinking about?
Since Shane uses the word "whore" so much, everyone thinks he is "whorendous." Everyone is stupid.
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The brass once containing the bullets that killed Marley Lion were shipped to England, where experts searched them for fingerprints.
A blurry video of the man who shot the 17-year-old as he tried to sleep was sent to the Secret Service, whose technicians tried to clear it up.
Investigators couldn't find any forensic evidence pointing to the one man who pulled the trigger six times on that morning of June 16, 2012, in West Ashley.
They found the murder weapon, but without help from the two men who participated in the crime that led to Lion's death, prosecutors didn't know if they could win a guilty verdict.
That's why, with less than two months to go before the murder trial of 32-year-old Ryan P. Deleston, prosecutors offered the duo deals in exchange for testimony. The men avoided murder charges.
It worked. Deleston was convicted last month.
And as they stood before a judge Wednesday, the West Ashley residents' attorneys used that cooperation to argue for lenient sentences.
It didn't work.
On Wednesday, 33-year-old Julius Perrell Brown and Bryan Latrell Rivers, 29, were sentenced to 28 years in prison, two fewer than the maximum they faced for voluntary manslaughter.
Ninth Circuit Judge Stephanie McDonald also sent 29-year-old George Ellis Brown to prison for 12 years for being an accessory before the murder. He let the other men use his gun to try to rob Lion.
For Liz Paige of Johns Island, Lion's mother, Wednesday's hearing marked the end of a public ordeal that began with her televised appeal for possible witnesses.
But in the packed courtroom, she expressed no mercy to the men whose testimony helped send Deleston to prison for the rest of his life.
"They made their choices of their own free will," Paige said. "They chose to kill my son.
"We hold you responsible for your choices."
George Brown will get credit for the 10 months he had already served in jail and the other men for the 15 months they have served.
'Hardened criminals'
When Deleston was tried last month, his defense attorney posed an alternate theory that Rivers tried to rob, then shot Lion as Deleston and Julius Brown stood by outside Famous Joe's Bar and Grill.
With a lengthy rap sheet, Rivers left prison two weeks before Lion's death. Within days of his release, he shot a drug dealer during a robbery. An hour before Lion was shot, Rivers robbed a drunken couple in downtown Charleston.
Considering his past, a jury might believe that he was the gunman, Solicitor Scarlett Wilson said.
Deleston had implicated himself in the attempted robbery of Lion. But Wilson worried that his requests for an attorney during videotaped police questioning might have prompted a judge to bar his confessions from the trial.
The interview was allowed, though Wilson still thinks it could serve as grounds for an appeal.
She needed more.
"We had what we had," Wilson said. "We were going to go to trial one way or another."
Investigators first got some help from George Brown, whose Sig Sauer pistol was used in the slaying. A police informant had purchased the gun from Deleston, leading to the men's arrests.
When he was first questioned in July 2012, George Brown denied knowing anything about the shooting. The next day, he told the police that Deleston returned to the house where the men had been partying that night and washed his hands with bleach.
Though George Brown had misled investigators — which prompted prosecutors to withdraw a plea deal on his charges — he had given them a start.
"It was an important part of the truth," Chief Deputy Solicitor Bruce DuRant said. "It gave them an idea of who was involved and what happened."
When offered a lesser count to avoid the murder charge, Rivers and Julius Brown spared no details in their interviews with prosecutors this summer.
Julius Brown first talked about how he yelled at Deleston to bust the window of Lion's vehicle and rob him. Then Rivers talked about two robberies he carried out before Lion's shooting.
Their stories made sense, Wilson said.
They convinced her that Deleston was the shooter, and she knew they could do the same for a jury.
"The problem is these are hardened criminals," Wilson said. "They weren't there just to do the right thing. They were there to save their skin."
'The hard way'
Wednesday was the day, though, when their attorneys would use their testimony against Deleston as a bargaining chip.
None of the men spoke, except to answer the judge's yes-or-no questions.
Rivers' attorney, Richard Buchanan, told McDonald of his client's turbulent childhood. He hadn't known his father, and his mother had sickle-cell anemia and lived on disability checks.
He was diagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and started getting into fights before he was 13.
Rivers had taken the wrong path, but he was the only one who remarked at the senselessness of Lion's slaying shortly after the crime.
"He shot that cracker for nothing," Buchanan said, referring to his client's comment that morning.
To the contrary, attorney Rodney Davis told the judge, Julius Brown was "shocked" and "incensed" by what Deleston had done.
Julius Brown often sold drugs to supplement his income as a landscaper and provide for his children, his attorney said. But when he saw a chance to help, Davis said, he was the first to enter into a plea agreement.
"The message is: You should cooperate with law enforcement even if you are guilty," Davis said in asking the judge for no more than a 10-year sentence. "Julius has done that ... boldly."
George Brown's attorney, Aaron Mayer of West Ashley, said his client was expecting his first child next year. Adding to his predicament, his father is undergoing dialysis for kidney failure.
But George Brown felt "great, great remorse" for Lion's death, Mayer said.
The attorney partially attributed his client's role in the crime to a tendency to give into peer pressure.
George Brown had been shot once as he planned to testify in a murder trial, Mayer mentioned, and feared repercussions if he came forward in the Lion case too.
He thought an eight-year sentence would be reasonable.
"George's life-learning process will continue," Mayer said. "It will continue with his sentence. It will continue with fatherhood. ... He's learning the hard way."
But for each defendant, the judge said their cooperation came too late.
Ultimately, it was the undercover police operation that led to their arrests and to their testimony more than a year later.
After McDonald ordered that the men be imprisoned, bailiffs ushered them through a door as the clatter of their shackles mixed with the sobs of their loved ones and of Lion's friends and family.
Reach Andrew Knapp at 937-5414 or twitter.com/offlede.
Julius Perrell Brown, 33, of White Oak Drive in West Ashley pleaded guilty Sept. 4 to voluntary manslaughter, attempted armed robbery and obstruction of justice in the June 16, 2012, shooting death of 17-year-old Marley Lion, allowing him to avoid a murder conviction for the second time in his life. He testified against triggerman Ryan P. Deleston, 32, of Cashew Street in West Ashley, who was convicted of murder on Oct. 11. Brown's attorney is Rodney Davis of Charleston. (PROVIDED/CANNON DETENTION CENTER)×
Bryan Latrell Rivers, 29, of White Oak Drive in West Ashley pleaded guilty Sept. 13 to voluntary manslaughter, attempted armed robbery and possessing a firearm with an obliterated serial number in the June 16, 2012, shooting death of 17-year-old Marley Lion. He testified against triggerman Ryan P. Deleston, 32, of Cashew Street in West Ashley, who was convicted of murder on Oct. 11. (PROVIDED/CANNON DETENTION CENTER)×
George Ellis Brown, 29, of Corral Drive in West Ashley is charged with accessory before an attempted armed robbery, accessory before a murder, accessory after a murder and possessing a firearm with an obliterated serial number in the June 16, 2012, shooting death of 17-year-old Marley Lion. He also is charged with accessory before an armed robbery and accessory before an attempted armed robbery in a stick-up in downtown Charleston about an hour before the Lion shooting. He testified against triggerman Ryan P. Deleston, 32, of Cashew Street in West Ashley, who was convicted of Lion's murder on Oct. 11. Brown's attorney is Aaron Mayer of West Ashley. (PROVIDED/CANNON DETENTION CENTER)×
Ryan P. Deleston, 32, of Cashew Street in West Ashley was convicted Oct. 11 of murder, attempted armed robbery, using a firearm in a violent crime and possessing a handgun with an obliterated serial number in the June 16, 2012, shooting death of 17-year-old Marley Lion. Three other men were charged in the slaying, but Deleston was the triggerman. His attorney is 9th Circuit Public Defender Ashley Pennington. (PROVIDED/S.C. DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS)×
Liz Paige and her husband Robert Paige hug Solicitor Scarlett Wilson and Charleston Police Chief Greg Mullen in thanks after Wednesday's sentencing of three men who were charged in connection with the June 2012 shooting death of their son Marley Lion.×


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Expression essentially the same as shit yeah or hell yeah, but is usually used in a situation where there are too many authority figures that will seriously pwn you if you swear. Like cops or your uncool parents.
Oh crap yeah I took out the trash.
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Many Americans are confused, and would like to understand what led up to the bitterness that has existed in the Middle East between Arabs and Jews for more than a half century. One must go back to the early 1930s to learn that because of repeated references in the Old Testament, many older American Jews and other Jews from Eastern Europe had a lifelong yearning to go to the Holy Land called Yarooshaliem, which we call Jerusalem. Most stayed and purchased little parcels of land from the local Arabs. In time, many other Jews from Russia and other countries migrated to Jerusalem and also purchased parcels of land from local Arabs, land which at that time had been ruled by the British. Arabs and Jews got along well, and as society grew there were Arab and Jewish lawmakers who were equal citizens with equal rights who lived together peacefully side by side.
The Arabs who still live in Israel have equal rights, and some are in the Knesset and help make the laws of the country.
When the British decided to relinquish the area in 1948 for a Jewish state and an Arab state, the Jews accepted the British offer and declared their portion a State of Israel.
By the way, the word Palestinian was not invented until after the 1967 war.
The young Jewish state was instantly challenged by the surrounding Arab countries who declared war on Israel. Those governments urged all Arabs living in Israel to leave their homes and join their brethren to defeat Israel, saying that they could return to their Israeli homes after Israel was defeated. Well, that victory never happened, not in 1948, and not in the same Arab initiated war in 1967.
Tiny Israel from south to north in a car 12 hours, and from east to west about in four hours.
Astonishingly, Israel won both wars. I believe God intervened.
Strangely, in the entire world, when the victor wins, the victor keep the conquered land, but the law changes for Israelis and Jews. They are expected to return what they conquered. The world likes to call that land the occupied land when it really is the conquered land. Wouldn't one think that the wealthy oil-rich Arab countries like Saudi Arabia and Syria could easily absorb their displaced brethren who left Israel on their urging? Of course not. Instead those displaced Palestinians have been forced for five decades to live in camps and poverty while their own Arab brethren live in oil-rich luxury. Not one Arab country has been willing to absorb their displaced brethren who left their homes in 1948 when Israel urged them to stay. For those decades, the defeated Arab countries had been using their displaced brethren as political pawns to try to blame and embarrass Israel. Israel would surely not take them back now, not after they became Israel's enemies. These displaced Arabs are victims created by their own brethren.
Enter Arafat the lying scoundrel who many times was offered a Palestinian State but refused. His only agenda was to annihilate Israelis. He invented the suicide bomber, a new kind of vicious warfare which has killed thousands of innocent Israelis and many gullible young Arabs.
One strange irony - if the Arabs living in Israel before the 1948 war had remained loyal to Israel and stayed, they would be the dominant political party now, because through over five decades they have reproduced many fold more than the Israelis.
The truth is that Israel citizens are largely homeless survivors of the Holocaust who yearned for a peaceful homeland but that wish has never been fulfilled.
One must admire the tiny democracy which turned centuries old arid land into the beautiful oasis supplying the world with oranges and human cures, the country which invented drip irrigation to the world and many other improvements for society, who want more than anything to live in peace. Israel is also on the cutting edge of stem cell research. Stem cells are more abundant there because in Judaism it is believed that the embryo becomes alive only after 40 days when the soul enters the fetus.
To conclude, Golda Meir, one of the early Prime Ministers of Israel, said "We can forgive the Arabs many things, but we cannot forgive that our sons have been forced to become killers."
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As a child, Angie Steinmetz took an interest in flowers and started on a journey that included making decorations for her home, setting up a booth the Y-Wives Extravaganza and other shows, working in a craft store, and making new friends with other artists and customers.
This past June, she opened her own gift shop, adjacent to her residence, at 204 Ohio Ave.
"My grandmother used to take me out in her back yard to pick lilies of the valley. She used to make things. She did sewing and painting. I can't sew or paint, but I started doing flowers about 20 years ago. I would go to the arts and craft shows while I was working outside the home," Steinmetz said.
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Decorated ceramic pumpkins sit beside a wall arrangement made of barn siding and burlap.
Angie Steinmetz crafts arrangements such as this to offer in her shop.
Heavenly Creations also carries jewelry and handbags by popular designers.
Earlier this year, Steinmetz approached her husband about turning their garage into a small shop. With his approval, she borrowed money to update the structure. Then, she stocked the store with her handiwork and merchandise she researched and carefully selected. She calls it Heavenly Creations.
"I have wanted to do this since I was in my early 20s. It's been a dream of mine, and the opportunity came up last March, and I decided to bite the bullet and go into business," Steinmetz said.
The business became a family project. Her son did about 90 percent of the interior work, including constructing her sales counter. Her husband installed the electrical system, and Angie did all the painting.
"Two young men from Sentinel Vocational School did all the outside work. I highly recommend them. They did a wonderful job," she said.
After closing for vacation in July, Steinmetz has re-opened with regular hours 10 a.m.-6 p.m. Wednesday through Friday. She is to have a grand opening Sept. 26-28, and a fall open house is planned Oct. 3-6. From Oct. 6 through Christmas, the shop will be open every Saturday 10 a.m.-3 p.m. with samples of the gourmet mixes for soup, dip, cheese balls and other food items available in the store.
"I've probably tested all the food products except the coffee. I don't like coffee, so I have my friends test the coffee," Steinmetz said. "I buy what I like or what my girlfriends think customers will like."
The owner had made planters and stocked birdhouses and other outdoor items for the summer, but Heavenly Creations has an abundance of country and primitive fall decor, such as garlands and candle rings; twig wreaths and lighted branches; scented candles, tarts and tart warmers; battery-operated candles with timers to turn on and off automatically; and Blossom Buckets merchandise.
For Halloween, Steinmetz has brought in "Aunt Liz's Attic" creations by an artist in New Jersey. They feature a witch figure and vintage fabrics, ribbons and lace. A group of senior citizens does the sewing and the artist adds wood, gourds, beads and other materials for seasonal art.
"Each one of these is made individually by hand. There's no two alike," Steinmetz said.
Shoppers also can find framed needlepoint, paintings and photographs by Bonnie Mohr, Billy Jacobs and other artists, as well as registered Ohio State University lithographs by Don Huber. Steinmetz orders room sprays, potpourri, oils and rose hips from a favorite supplier and country furniture from a southern Ohio company.
"I looked at about eight different furniture companies before I went with this company ... This was the best company I could find," she said.
Other products for the home include kitchen towels, woven, braided or quilted table runners, metal ware, benches, re-purposed end tables and accent pieces. Steinmetz also carries many bereavement gifts, such as grave stone saddles, garden stones, angel sculptures, floral arrangements and throws made by "the No. 1 textile mill in the country." She delivers
these items to funeral homes in Tiffin.
Customers also can bring in saddles and wreaths for re-decorating, if they are sturdy enough for additional use.
"I make a lot of the florals and I also do custom jewelry work," Steinmetz said.
Her collection includes inspirational bracelets, angel wing pendants, earring and necklace sets, and beads from the "Good Bead" company. Other personal items include scarves with baubles, lace and fringe; and handbags and totes by designers such as Victoria Leland and Bella Taylor.
"I am always looking for something that is American-made and different ... My philosophy is, if I don't have it, I know other stores that I can send the customer to get it," Steinmetz said.
She is open to suggestions for products to add to her stock, and she also values feedback about items that come out of her store. If a product does not hold up under normal conditions, she will "make it right."
Having her own business allows Steinmetz to have weekly sales. It could be candles, jewelry, pictures or other items. On occasion, she has a "gamblers day" in which customers draw from a deck of playing cards. The number on the card determines the percentage that will be taken off the cost of an order.
"I always have sales every single week," Steinmetz said.
If a purchase is for a gift, she will package it so it will not need additional wrapping. Of course, the Christmas season is not far away. Steinmetz is gearing up for that by making holiday swags and wreaths. She also offers in-home decorating for Christmas.
"My God, my family, my business" is Steinmetz's motto. Her shop will always be closed in July to spend extra time with her six grandchildren and to restock the shop. She plans to post updates online with a Facebook page.
If people want to shop on a day the store is not open, Steinmetz said people can call her at (419) 448-8526 to arrange other times to stop in.


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Anybody knowledgeable about Canadian dance have an opinion on whether Orford/Williams are a threat to Paul/Islam and Ralph/Hill in this season's pecking order?
Anybody knowledgeable about Canadian dance have an opinion on whether Orford/Williams are a threat to Paul/Islam and Ralph/Hill in this season's pecking order?
Surprised by how much I enjoyed Orford and Williams. They had a good skate.
Besides the lime green dress -- I agree. That was a very lovely dance.
I can appreciate I/K's technical ability compared to all the previous teams, but except for the first part of the program up to the dance spin, I just don't like the rest of this FD. I find it offensive for some reason.
ETA: Elena does look ill or something. Flu? Bad sushi?
I enjoyed this FD very much.. with the sound muted. After hearing that music at the last GP they were in, I could not stand to listen to it again! Also.. is Elena sick?
Why do I/K act as though they're having some kind of emotional breakdown after every performance?
Elena looks delirious....she must be sick or something.
I LOVED the beginning of the program.....didn't understand what people talked about....then it got weird....so I went to youtube and put on Hallelujah by David Buckley and silented the sound on the skating. It went together beautifully. =]
She is definitely ill or something. She just didn't look well afterward at all, but she pulled it together and pulled out a GREAT performance. I never thought I would say this....but I like them! Favorite Russian couple ever.
And she is in tears in the Kiss and Cry after a 96 pt skate....She is barely holding on....She is a trooper, and I love her.
Bah! Can't believe that got a 96! Ugh!
Is it just me or did Nikita look angry at the end of the performance? He did a hand gesture, but I missed if it was in triumph or anger.


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Details on the successor to Comcast's policy of "data discrimination" have emerged, and the majority of its changes will affect the ISP's most gratuitous users.
Rather than targeting a specific protocol like BitTorrent – a policy that riled up technologists and the FCC, despite its "surgical" precision in managing consumption – Comcast's new form of network management will kick in when it identifies a single user "disproportionately" consuming network resources, and will move to throttle their connection for a short while.
"If in fact a person is generating enough packets that they're the ones creating that situation, we will manage that consumer for the overall good of all of our consumers,"' said Comcast senior vice president and general manager of online services Matt Bowling.
Comcast says its new "fair share" system of throttling troublesome customers has so far proven to be fairly effective, particularly when the throttling stays in effect for about 10 to 20 minutes.
Once the time limit elapses, speeds revert to normal.
It doesn't mean a throttled internet experience will be undesirable, however, as Bowling says that users experiencing limited bandwidth will still have an experience on par with "really good" DSL service.
But if a user continues a high level of consumption, "we would have to manage them again."
It appears that Comcast customers will still enjoy an essentially unlimited bandwidth allotment; however the company says it is mulling over the possibility of charging subscribers a higher price for heavier internet use – but, it "[hasn't] made any decisions" yet.
Anecdotal reports from users indicate that the new throttling system is already in place in some territories – and that the old policy of "data discrimination" still appears to be in effect as well.
Comcast has made no indication of the kinds of numbers that would trigger a slowdown, nor any specifics regarding the capacity available for throttled users.
Comcast, with its 14.4 million subscribers, fell into hot water last year when internet users and an AP report discovered that the company was screwing with customers' BitTorrent activities, by essentially cutting them off as soon as a file finished downloading – a potentially toxic condition to the health of the BitTorrent network. Accusations snowballed into an FCC investigation, with both the FCC and Comcast slinging nasty words back and forth for the better part of 2008; the exchange reached its culmination earlier this month, when FCC chairman Kevin Martin officially condemned Comcast for violating the Commissions' tenets of a fair, open internet experience.
Martin also left Comcast an ultimatum, demanding that it disclose its network management practices to the public, and submit a "compliance plan" with details on what it plans to do after it disables its BitTorrent blocking, which is set to happen sometime this year. This announcement appears to satisfy the FCC's demands.
quote: by DM0407 on August 21, 2008 at 10:56 AMThey shouldn't offer 5/15Mbps if they can't provide it at all times. That's false advertising...
quote: by MrBlastman on August 21, 2008 at 10:13 AMThey shouldn't advertise it as unlimited internet access then. That is the problem.Sure, I think it is lame some users might hog the system and bring down the fun for everyone else - but - they should advertise it differently and not as unlimited if they want to do that.Besides, if only a few users can slow down the whole Comcast pond, I'd say Comcast has much bigger issues with their network infrastructure as a whole than figuring out who to throttle next. They're a major ISP. If we are talking about one user within a local node pipe - well, that is slightly different, but, often a recognized issue with Cable.


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Fond Memories
|Mark Prior, RHP
97/30 K/BB, 14 HR in 94.2 IP
|Javier Vasquez, RHP
127/24 K/BB, 20 HR in 140.0 IP
|2B *Craig Counsell
|CF Jerry Hairston
|RF *Chad Tracy
|SS #Neifi Perez
|LF *Luis Gonzalez
|1B Derrek Lee
|3B Troy Glaus
11th pitch... GONE. HANK
11th pitch... GONE.
Quality at bat by
Quality at bat by Blanco!
11 pitches and the concluding homer!
Hot damn!
I swear it said this on
I swear it said this on Gameday:
Henry Blanco homers (4) on a fly ball to left field. Jose Macias scores.
I must be sick. Hallucinating.
And oh, by the way, in case
And oh, by the way, in case you hadn't noticed, Blanco's hitting .357 in July with a 1.022 OPS. Blanco!
I think we now know where Neifi's pixie power went.
Blanco has had a nice July,
Blanco has had a nice July, which was inevitable considering his poor 1st half. Eventually that stuff has to even out.
That was a great at-bat....
Wow... how can the Cubs get
Wow... how can the Cubs get Blanco to play like this the rest of the year? He has been the spark in several games since the All-Star Break.
Hey Ron... I was not thinking sac bunt here with Prior coming up ;) Also, did you see how the Astros scored yesterday to tie their game... a suicide squeeze. I don't no why, but I like sometimes seeing small ball.
wow...putting the extreme
wow...putting the extreme shift on D-Lee
c'mon, lets see an opposite field hit
You guys should send me some
You guys should send me some coffee. Everytime I watch the Cubs with Blanco playing, he hits like 3 HR and 8 Doubles in a game. It's ok to watch a daygame here in Vienna, Austria, but for the nightgames I could need some coffee donations...
I think I smell one of the
I think I smell one of the Cubs' semi-weekly "patience attacks" coming on...
so how 'bout that Murton
so how 'bout that Murton kid...good thing we start him every day huh?
and you gotta love the
and you gotta love the patience of Macias...man, he's just amazing
it's sure hard to dislike
it's sure hard to dislike Ginger...
impressive he got a triple out of that.
They should of run on Green, he's got a bum shoulder and now they'll probably just walk Blanco. Of course Prior over Blanco isn't so bad.
I swear it said this on
I swear it said this on Gameday:
Henry Blanco homers (4) on a fly ball to left field. Jose Macias scores.
I must be sick. Hallucinating.
How 'bout that Matt Murton?
How 'bout that Matt Murton? Kid's a ball player.
Homer and IBB for Blanco. Wow.
Good point retro. I think
Good point retro. I think we should trade this up and coming rook who's hitting almost .500 for Soriano. Maybe we'll even sweeten the pot with Hill too! -- Really, who needs a lefty in the rotation?
Gameday must be broken --
Gameday must be broken -- said Hank White was intentionally walked. Has the game even started?
So how does Prior look today?
How did i do that exactly -
How did i do that exactly - 30 min apart?
How deep with Macias's fly
How deep with Macias's fly ball? Could Murton have scored on it?
"How deep with Macias's fly
"How deep with Macias's fly ball? Could Murton have scored on it?"
It was fairly shallow actually, its a 50-50 proposition on sending him...yes, it was a shallow fly, but Green is playing out of position out in CF.
Sorry for all the typos. I
Sorry for all the typos. I am at work and am multitasking beyond my feable typing ability.
hurray for
hurray for Macias...butchered the play at 3rd allowing Snyder to reach. Though it did look on the replays like he was out.
Does anyone know where one
Does anyone know where one can find stats of runners left on 3B with one or no outs? The Cubs have to lead MLB in that category. It seems it happens at least once per game.
a decent CF and I wouldn't
a decent CF and I wouldn't have run, but I'd take my chances that Green wouldn't be able to make an accurate throw. The ball was cutoff but it looked like it would have been up the first base line. for what it's worth....
a suicide squeeze. I don't
a suicide squeeze. I don't no why, but I like sometimes seeing small ball.
A suicide squeeeze is quite different than typical "small ball". A sacrifice bunt to move a runner is a very different thing than a squeeze bunt to score a winning run. The squeeze is typically a good call, while the sacrifice is often not a good call.
Neifi Perez bunt pops out to
Neifi Perez bunt pops out to shortstop Royce Clayton.
Wow... I'm at a loss for words.
Neifi Perez bunt pops out to
Neifi Perez bunt pops out to shortstop Royce Clayton.
Wow... I'm at a loss for words.
I didn't see any of the
I didn't see any of the Astros game, but to echo Lowitzki, bunts are not always bad, and in the right place and time they can be very good.
Hopefully today's pleasant surprise of a game holds up and we get Aramis back tomorrow so I don't have to suffer paying money to see Jose Macias play baseball.
"Hey Ron ... I don't no why,
"Hey Ron ... I don't no why, but I like sometimes seeing small ball."
Johncan, I don't know if I'm the Ron you were referring to, but I'm not against small ball in the right situation. It makes a lot of sense sometimes, especially when one run is all you need and it fits the personnel well.
I would have risked sending Murton, especially since the alternative was seeing Blanco walked to get to Prior. Then again, Prior's a decent hitter, and at least the lineup turned.
I don't think Macias butchered that grounder at all. Maybe Rolen fields it cleanly, but it was hit very hard. He followed the carom well and made a good throw to first. I'd have scored it a hit.
bouncing a throw = good? it
bouncing a throw = good?
it was a fairly hard hit ball though in his defense....
hairston turned that into a
hairston turned that into a triple.....ball bounced high off the wall and landed at the base of the ivy. Went to grab it with his barehand and essentially whiffed twice. And now Green brings him in. Crud!!!
For you offical scoring
For you offical scoring nuts. Is that an earn or an unearned run?
It's earned. A lack of error
It's earned. A lack of error didn't make the scored runner safe instead of out, it merely advanced him a base, which he may have advanced subsequently anyway (steal, wild pitch, additional sacrifice).
Ron W. I think I was
Ron W.
I think I was referring to the other Ron. He was pointing out my failed logic for calling a squeeze play yesterday in the 7th when we were down by 3. I also wanted to see one in the 6th when we were only down by 1.
Ron G., I didn't say it was
Ron G., I didn't say it was a Web Gem; I said he didn't butcher it. And yes: Chasing a ball bouncing away from you, throwing on the run, making a solid throw online to the first baseman is a good throw . . . even if it takes a bounce.
The run should be earned. You assume he gets to third on the first grounder and scores on the second one.
ROBR- I think earned...
I think earned...
Johncan, that might have
Johncan, that might have been me yesterday. Then again, I think both Rons were involved in that conversation.
Is there a hard and fast
Is there a hard and fast rule or does the offical scorer just look at the events to determine if he thinks the run would like have scored even if there had been no error?
BTW do we need to start
BTW do we need to start calling him Blanco!
We could bring back the 'Oh
We could bring back the 'Oh Henry' bars....
Where has the Cub offense
Where has the Cub offense gone? Can someone corral it and bring it back home?
Why is Prior still in the
Why is Prior still in the game?
It is an unwritten rule that
It is an unwritten rule that all Cubs starters must throw 120+ pitches.
Hmmm... this two Rons thing
Hmmm... this two Rons thing is going to confuse people. I'll change my psuedonym if anyone can nominate something good.
Oh boy. That hurt.
Because Genius had nobody
Because Genius had nobody warming in the pen to start the inning. Deja Vu all over again.
Buck Faker - When your
Buck Faker -
When your bullpen is absolutely horrid, yes.
IT's a situation where you are damned if you do, damned if you don't.
IMO, Dusty should have put
IMO, Dusty should have put Novoa in for the 8th and Dempster in to close things out...Prior is tired and he has lost some of his control...Unfortunately, the Cubs offsense has been unable to score some crucial "insurance runs"...Lets see if we can contain the damage and come back.
oh for christ sake...if
oh for christ sake...if Prior is pulled, and the bullpen gave up the lead, you all would have kicked and screamed at Baker. For crying out loud...if we could actually score more than 2 runs a game, we wouldn't need to worry about that.
Agreed Adam--that is why he
Agreed Adam--that is why he should've started Prior that inning, but had someone working in the 'pen immediately to stop any potential trouble.
So why groove a meatball over the plate on an 0-2 count anyway?
Goddamnit. He didn't have
Goddamnit. He didn't have ANYONE warming to start?
Sometimes I'm glad I usually end up watching on Gameday.
What an idiot. At least have the option available: then at least you can counter-accuse ex post facto criticism. But, here again, Dusty doesn't even realize he doesn't have legs to stand on.
playing .500 ball on the
playing .500 ball on the road is great.
Unless you play .500 ball at home.
That's been the key to this season, we can't win consistantly at home...
"oh for christ sake...if
"oh for christ sake...if Prior is pulled, and the bullpen gave up the lead, you all would have kicked and screamed at Baker. For crying out loud...if we could actually score more than 2 runs a game, we wouldn't need to worry about that."
he should've had someone warming up...Prior was way the hell up there in pitches
Novoa will get his chance --
Novoa will get his chance -- and the stakes are high...This bullpen should NOT be walking players...Let's hope we close this inning out without giving up a run.
even if Dusty has someone
even if Dusty has someone warmed up...he would still leave Prior in until the lead was gone.
Every fucking game we blame absolutely everything on Dusty, and nothing on the fact that the players aren't getting their job done.
I am fine with Baker losing
I am fine with Baker losing every coin flip situation ever - - pull a pitcher, leave one in, etc.. but, being unprepared to deal with things if they don't go right, when they never go right, is f'ing retarded. Not having somebody warming up when your starter is entering the 8th inning of a one run game with over 100 pitches racked up already is stupid. Plain and simple.
Yeah, but is Novoa the best
Yeah, but is Novoa the best option? Doesn't the guy average a walk per inning? Even Santo, whom some of you think is off his rocker, sees it.
Novoa and Blanco come
Novoa and Blanco come through for us...Now IT'S UP TO THE OFFSENSE to score some runs...We can comeback and win this game but we can't leave folks on 3rd base.
There was no reason for
There was no reason for Prior to be hitting after Blanco got on.
Typically, I would have
Typically, I would have pulled Prior after 7....but we have seen what our bullpen has done recently. We have played for 16 straight days since the allstar break....he is criticezed everytime he pulls a starter and the bullpen gives up the lead. Honestly, he is fucked either way at that point with a 2-1 lead in the 8th...do you push your starter to their limits, or use an overworked underperforming bullpen?
We are losing this game because we have scored 2 runs...not because of the bullpen management.
That is the other thing, and
That is the other thing, and I didn't even notice until Uke said something, this is the second time in a week that Baker had his pitcher bat in the bottom of the 7th in a one run game when the pitcher already had 100 pitches thrown.
Uke...sure there was,
Uke...sure there was, sacrifice to get Blanco in scoring position, and keep your crap bullpen off the field.
I didn't realize Blanco
I didn't realize Blanco singled to lead off. I'm not going to do another percentage-comparison, but I would have PHed there. I wonder if Ramirez would be available?
Water under the bridge now, hopefully Lee et al get this in.
Nevermind. Ugh.
Adam: With a 2-1 lead in
With a 2-1 lead in the 8th, I think it'd make a helluva lot of sense to bring Dempster in at that point, y'know the whole best reliever thing.
Adam, I am pretty sure the
Adam, I am pretty sure the announcers have been making a big deal out of the fact that post-all star break we have actually won games when not having the lead after 7, as opposed to before.
And, if your bullpen keeps losing games so be it. Overworking your starter, in unnecessary, and predicatably bad situations is not the way to combat it.
I think some people on this
I think some people on this site do blame Dusty for everything. Somebody slips on a banana peel and it's his fault--and that's their opinion. I'm fine with that.
My view is that as a manager, you have to try to put your players in the best chance to suceed as much as possible. Second, you have to judge players abilities both overall and from recent play.
Allowing Holly to K 6 times, with multiple runners on over and over is inexcusable. Not haveing somebody warming up is another. If Prior put two guys on, and was yanked, I think a majority of Cub Nation would understand why he was taken out. That is the option between the two extremes.
how much you wanna bet that
how much you wanna bet that Dusty pinch hits for Murton with Holly when he gets his AB in either the 8th or 9th?
Well said, Brian.
Well said, Brian.
Adam, why do you even bother
Adam, why do you even bother trying to even partially defend Dusty to this rabid, anti-Dusty crowd? Everything is Dusty's fault, and when things go well, it's never because of anything he did.
"Adam, why do you even
"Adam, why do you even bother trying to even partially defend Dusty to this rabid, anti-Dusty crowd? Everything is Dusty's fault, and when things go well, it's never because of anything he did."
Isn't it common sense to have a reliever getting ready when your pitcher is over the 100 pitch mark and tiring?
"Uke...sure there was,
"Uke...sure there was, sacrifice to get Blanco in scoring position, and keep your crap bullpen off the field."
Not with a number of bats on the bench (especially sans Macias) and Prior having thrown 100 pitches.
When has Dusty been
When has Dusty been criticized for pulling a starter when (a) the starter is at 100 pitches, and (b) the starter will be hitting in a close game with men on? Bullshit: it was a bad call and everyone knows it. Prior should have been pulled for a pinch hitter; even if it didn't pan out it would have been totally defensible. This wasn't.
Is Dusty just not aware of the wealth of statistics available to a major-league manager? Or does he not care? How to explain his disregard for pitch counts, the continued presence of Macias in the lineup, hitting Neifi in the 2 slot, the constant small ball, etc. etc.? I can't believe this guy still has a job.
Yes, I admit that some
Yes, I admit that some people go overboard in their criticisms. I probably do it a lot. But, on the other hand, it's not like the "not having a reliever warmed up" issue is anything new. It's not like "He's Prior/Zambrano, he can get anybody out at any time, including high-stress late-inning situations" is anything new.
Did Prior fail? Yeah, if you count giving up three as failing. Should he have been out there? Highly debatable.
Should somebody have been ready to go? Easy call. That Dusty didn't make.
We are losing this game
We are losing this game because we have scored 2 runs against a very mediocre starting pitcher and have scratched out 6 hits. Our top 5 batters our 2 for 18, our 3&4 hitters are 1/7 with 5 strikeouts.
Blaming Dusty for this game masks the fundamental problems we have with our 25 man roster
Bob, read Brian's comment
Bob, read Brian's comment please. The point it Dusty puts his players in bad positions, while other managers put their players in a position to succeed.
"The continued presence of
"The continued presence of Macias in the lineup"...This is the silly kind of critcism, Macias has had about 15 ABs since the all-star break...Plus, who is going to play 3B if Aramis doesn't? Neifi hasn't been hitting second recently, he did it today to have Walker further down in the absence of Aramis...
And Prior would've pitched to Glaus even if someone HAD been warming up right away, at least that's my guess. Right or wrong...I personally would've let Prior try to get out of it, he made a bad pitch to Glaus.
Novoa gets the job done BUT
Novoa gets the job done BUT if folks like Lee and Burnitz can't hit off Arizona's Bullpen then we are in trouble...It's time for a rally in the bottom of the 9th...;-)
Let's say Holly pinch hits
Let's say Holly pinch hits in the ninth today in place of Macis, let's say...and he whiffs. Is that putting somemone in the right position? Or is that Holly sucks? You can't have it both ways, people.
Yeah we have 2 runs against
Yeah we have 2 runs against a mediocre pitcher with Jose Macias replacing an All-Star, Bako replacing a near All-Star, and a man with an OBP under .300 batting 2nd. Who would have figured.
Honestly, I didn't have a
Honestly, I didn't have a problem with Prior going out in the 8th. I just was shocked that he had no parachute in case the guy fell out of the plane.
Bob--Didn't Grady Little get fired for something similar. Obviously, Pedro's stats stood out that he had no business being on that field. Prior is a different story. However, the guy averages about 108 pitches a game himself. You knew if he didn't go 1-2-3, there could be a potential problems.
Adam, exactly. Hairston, for
Adam, exactly. Hairston, for example, is leading off, meaning he's being in the position to succeed...yet he's not and that ends up being Dusty's fault. Whatever.
Who is blaming Dusty for
Who is blaming Dusty for batting Hairston leadoff?
Of course we've shot
Of course we've shot ourselves in the foot this game Adam. But the fact that we had a lead that late in the game even with the poor hitting should have been all the more reason to have someone up in the pen, especially after Prior gave up that double to Clark.
Bill, that's called an
Bill, that's called an example. I wasn't trying to imply that anyone had said that.
"When has Dusty been
"When has Dusty been criticized for pulling a starter when (a) the starter is at 100 pitches, and (b) the starter will be hitting in a close game with men on? Bullshit: it was a bad call and everyone knows it. Prior should have been pulled for a pinch hitter; even if it didn't pan out it would have been totally defensible. This wasn't."
Every single person in the parachat, bar none, was happy to see Prior bat in the bottom of the 8th. It's so damn easy to try to pretend that things would have been different in retrospect.
Prior was pitching lights out....we have been playing 16 straight days, our bullpen has been taxed and failing. Blanco was on first with 1 out, it was absolutely, positively the right thing to do to let Prior bat, and I believe 9 of 10 managers with the bullpen the Cubs have do the same thing.
As for not having someone warmed up in the pen, that is a far more legitimate argument, although I still contend it wouldn't make a bit of difference, as it was Prior's game to win or lose.
Sorry, you guys are right,
Sorry, you guys are right, I'm wrong, this game and every other loss is Dusty's fault. You win. Enjoy your negativity, I'm outta here.
hey...Todd with a leadoff
hey...Todd with a leadoff walk
"Sorry, you guys are right,
"Sorry, you guys are right, I'm wrong, this game and every other loss is Dusty's fault. You win. Enjoy your negativity, I'm outta here."
y helo thar putting words into our mouth
Holly is obviously in a
Holly is obviously in a horrible slump. Why put him in the game when it is on the line right now? What he needs to do is find the guys some pinch hits in the middle innings or meaningless games to help build his confidence and break the slump.
As for Hairston, I have no problem with Dusty on this. Hairston is the guy popping the ball up in the leadoff position. He obviously hasn't learned from Patterson's mistakes.
"Sorry, you guys are right,
"Sorry, you guys are right, I'm wrong, this game and every other loss is Dusty's fault. You win. Enjoy your negativity, I'm outta here."
oye, someone is getting awfully childish. But whatever...'tis your decision
Bob, giving up doesn't make
Bob, giving up doesn't make your point. Nobody is saying everything is Dusty's fault.
What people are saying is, in this case, "why wouldn't dusty have somebody warming up in a one run game when his pitcher started the inning with over 100 pitches?"
Are you saying that is a bad question?
Bob, giving up doesn't make
Bob, giving up doesn't make your point. Nobody is saying everything is Dusty's fault.
What people are saying is, in this case, "why wouldn't dusty have somebody warming up in a one run game when his pitcher started the inning with over 100 pitches?"
Are you saying that is a bad question?
ugh...Macias batting in a
ugh...Macias batting in a potential game tying position...BRILLIANT! Where's A-Ram?
Our savior Henry Blanco is
Our savior Henry Blanco is up.
"Are you saying that is a
"Are you saying that is a bad question?"
its questioning Dusty's decisions, so I guess so
Unfournately, I smell a game
Unfournately, I smell a game ending DP coming up
"Our savior Henry Blanco is
"Our savior Henry Blanco is up."
Barrett now
Arizona should have left
Arizona should have left their last pitcher in...Yet, why not leave Blanco in to bat -- he is red hot today...?
Right, I've never seen
Right, I've never seen childish things here. ANd I said that out of frustration anyway, my bad.
I personally would've had someone warming up, to come in if Prior didn't get Glaus. After those first two hits, I might've been inclined to yank Prior, but I probably would've left him in. So, someone came in after Glaus got a hit, and it wouldn't have mattered a lick if he had been warming up at the start of the inning.
Good walk by Macias. But,
Good walk by Macias. But, Adam, here is the thing about putting people in a position to succeed. We might win this game. If we do, I will be happy. But, when you have put your team in a position where you have to depend on Macias, Bako, and then the pitchers spot you are failing as a manager.
This happened earlier in the week and we got lucky because Neifi (yeah, Neifi Perez) hit a Grand Slam. If you are going to count on that to win games you shouldn't be coaching.
considering Macias batted
considering Macias batted there, I'd have to think that Ramirez is injured and unavailable.
As for hairston leading off...he isn't great, but there is no one else on this roster to put there.
Oh well, we're crying over
Oh well, we're crying over spilt milk here guys. We have a legit chance to tie this game up. Let's focus on that.
"This is the silly kind of
"This is the silly kind of critcism, Macias has had about 15 ABs since the all-star break...Plus, who is going to play 3B if Aramis doesn't? Neifi hasn't been hitting second recently, he did it today to have Walker further down in the absence of Aramis..."
It's not just today, it's all season. Macias has 92 AB this year, and Dusty continues to pinch-hit with him; Neifi should never be hitting second ever, including today. Have you been following this club all year?
As I was writing, ol' small ball sacrificed Murton. What do you suppose the expected run value is of Murton swinging with a runner on first as opposed to sacrificing? Of course, just as Dusty haters (like me) would criticize him either way, the Dusty defenders will stand up for him no matter how many outs he pisses away sacrificing.
Damn that Macias for drawing
Damn that Macias for drawing a walk and getting Cedeno in scoring position. Damn that Dusty for putting Barrett in a position to succeed.
BLING BLING Mike Barrett
Mike Barrett with a game tying single.
Ok Dusty...Good call..Way to
Ok Dusty...Good call..Way to go Barrett...Now lets see if Ramirez can close this game out.
Okay, let's give Uke his
Okay, let's give Uke his due. Yes, we only scored 2 runs. No, we are not the Cardinals. Four or Five runs doesn't come automatically for this team. We have to EARN it. Of course, we look for the 3-run homer all the time.
So could we score more runs? Yes, but we don't have many guys that can hit in the clutch. That's Hendry's fault.
And now Ramirez bats.
And now Ramirez bats. Interesting. Oh, well.
Let's go.
"But, when you have put your
"But, when you have put your team in a position where you have to depend on Macias, Bako, and then the pitchers spot you are failing as a manager"
Umm, huh, what? It's bakers fault that the bottom of the order is up in the bottom of the 9th? If it's those particular players, isn't that the fault of the General Manager?
And now Ramirez bats.
And now Ramirez bats. Interesting. Oh, well.
Let's go.
wow...fucking wow. thank god.
wow...fucking wow.
thank god.
I love you guys... See,
I love you guys...
See, Winning really does breed happiness!
And not that it particularly
And not that it particularly matters now, but Brenly speculated that one of the rookies missed a sign on that sacrifice. Given Murton's ability to hit to the right side, I guess it was a hit-and-run and Murton missed a sign.
This'll be a 5 minute fix
This'll be a 5 minute fix until the Baker discussion gets back into swing.
A come from behind win like
A come from behind win like that in the bottom of the 9th is a huge confidence builder...Let's see if the Cubs can take this series against Arizona -- we're still in the hunt for the wild card spot...;-)
Dusty's a genius now. Let's
Dusty's a genius now. Let's hope it stays that way! We can be 2 out after today!
Let's go Florida! Let's go Me...ugh. Let's go Houst....eh. Who cares..at least I'll be happy one of them loses.
I know I really want the Muts to win, but I just can't bring myself to root for them. Never have, never will.
I will say one thing....If
I will say one thing....If there is a man on first and 2nd and 1 out down a run in the 9th, I would absolutely put my best batter (ramirez) in there, as a DP ends the game. The only thing I can see where that move made sense is if Dusty was worried that Ramirez being sore would make it more likely that he hits into a DP. But it worked, so I guess I can't complain
Anyway, holy shit did we need that win. Things came together...and we actually took advantage of the home field.
Now, win, loss, win, loss, win is not good enough against the Giants/Dbacks. We have to bury this team tomorrow and Sunday and go on a key roadtrip to WC contenders.
I think we need some blowout
I think we need some blowout wins sometime soon. I can't stand much more of these close rally wins. Of course, they are better than losses...
Look. One thing about the
Look. One thing about the 8th.. The fact is that Prior did make a bad pitch on an 0-2 count, from what I heard on the radio. If he doesn't groove one, this whole argument would have never been.
So let's leave it at a wash. Let's look toward that trade deadline.
My old man said the rumors out there is that Murton and/or Hill may be involved for Soriano. Is that true? Really? I can't believe we would consider that.
think back to the last game
think back to the last game of the Cincy series.
That game we blew a lead in the 8th
First STL game lose on a bunt in 11
2nd STL game win by 1 on a Pujols DP
3rd STL game, down 3, up 1, blown save, win in 10th
1st Giants game, come from behind in 8th, win in 9th
2nd Giants game, Maddux 3,000 Ks, come from behind in 8th, lose in extras.
3rd Giants game, give up lead and come from behind in 8th, win in 9th
1st Dbacks game, 1-0 through 7th
2nd Dbacks game, give up lead in 8th, come from behind to win in 9th.
I'd venture to guess this is one of the more exciting 9 game stretches of baseball I have witnessed prior to September.
No, the argument would've
No, the argument would've happened anyway. You can book that. The pitch was terrible, kind of like in Houston when Lamb hit that grand slam after it looked like he would K.
Obviously, they didn't have
Obviously, they didn't have any control over what happened to Lyon, but it *is* nice to see other teams struggle with their closer role.
"My old man said the rumors
"My old man said the rumors out there is that Murton and/or Hill may be involved for Soriano. Is that true? Really? I can't believe we would consider that."
I don't believe that...EVERY statement I have seen from Hendry in the last month confirms that he has no plans to trade Rich Hill...I would also be very surprised if our GM would trade a player like Matt Murton (who is really starting to reach his potential).
as you know I'm not a Macias
as you know I'm not a Macias fan but...
(belly button to home plate style)
From reports I have read Pie
From reports I have read Pie and Hill are off limits, but the rest is fair game...who knows though....I think Murton has shown his value making it difficult for Hendry to want to move him...on the other hand, if he is not in our future plans, his stock is pretty high.
I didn't agree with all of
I didn't agree with all of Dusty's moves in the 9th, but they worked -- so I'm happy to give him kudos for this one. Well done, Dusty.
I was also impressed by the patience Macias showed in drawing that walk.
Great job by the bullpen holding things at 3-2. Great job by the offense in the bottom of the 9th.
Now let's blow 'em out over the weekend and enjoy a well-earned day off.
What does anyone supposes
What does anyone supposes happens to Macias when Garciaparra comes off the DL? I figure he's got to be the odd man out. You can't DFA Hollandsworth or Gerut. Blanco is untouchable as the backup catcher. So's Neifi. Or does anyone suspect that they'll send a rookie pitcher back to AAA?
I believe he mentioned the
I believe he mentioned the Score as the source; but I'm not sure who in particular.
Baker tends to use Barrett to pinch hit for Blanco since they play the same position. Makes his replacements easier. I probably would've gone with Ramirez too though.
So give credit where it is due--Dusty made the right moves. He gets credit.
[My old man said the rumors
[My old man said the rumors out there is that Murton and/or Hill may be involved for Soriano. Is that true? Really? I can't believe we would consider that.]
For the love of zeus, NO.
Well, today the Cubs
Well, today the Cubs overcame another abysmal managerial move by Dusty.
I'm not saying that Dusty is a bad manager. But he certainly has been in a slump lately. Kind of like Walker hitting into a double play seemingly every time at bat.
Was there anyone in the stadium who didn't know that Prior was done after 7 innings? 100 pitches, then he's on the bases in the bottom of the 7th, and with a slim one run lead, Dusty should've been more than careful.
When Prior took the mound in the 8th, I was already nervous. When he gave up that first hit, there was absolutely ZERO justification for leaving him in. Worst case scenario, if you pull him, he can't take a loss after a truly outstanding outing.
Anyone who has paid even passing attention to Prior knows that he can give up a big inning very quickly.
But Dusty left him in. Another hit. He STILL leaves him in.
And suddenly, Prior is staring at a 3-2 deficit, and a loss.
This is how Dusty thanks his pitchers for giving him 7 sterling innings. Hey Mark, here's a loss! There ya go, buddy! Just dangle out there on that mound!
The Cubs batters came out and won the game in the 9th. But let's make no mistake. They came out and got two runs to save Mark Prior from a loss and make up for their manager's jackass move.
As I said, I'm not saying Dusty isn't a good manager. Certainly he's a players' guy, and they like him. But he's kind of like the Sammy Sosa of managers right now: batting about .230 with a whole lot of strikeouts.
I didn't agree with PH
I didn't agree with PH Barrett for Blanco, but it worked out. Everything else on the last 2 innings were fine.
We need to get Hairston to start getting on base or go out and get a real leadoff hitter. He is 20-74 (.270 avg & .299 OBP) with 9 runs and 3 BB/HBP since taking over CF on July 8th. All the complaints on Dusty batting patterson #1 for 8 games, but hairston has done almost as bad the past 3 weeks.
Dusty is gaining more
Dusty is gaining more confidence in Novoa and I think Novoa is developing more control in the high pressure situations...Right now Novoa and Dempster are the best pitchers we have in the Bullpen (and I'm still hoping Hendry might add to that bullpen with a last minute trade)...We also could use someone like Juan Pierre at the top of our lineup -- I still hear rumors that it might be possible...Who knows, Hendry may surprise us in the next few days...;-)
I think Macias will be gone.
I think Macias will be gone. Perez has played much better overall. Perhaps one will be included in a deal instead. I gotta believe both can be moved since they do have some value off the bench.
OSN- We have been with 12
We have been with 12 pitchers for ever, hope we send a pitcher out (Weurtz or Mitre) or trade Rusch as he is serving no putrpose on this team anymore.
"This is how Dusty thanks
"This is how Dusty thanks his pitchers for giving him 7 sterling innings. Hey Mark, here's a loss! There ya go, buddy! Just dangle out there on that mound!"
Don't you think that a pitcher like Prior might want to control his own destiny, instead of leaving it up to a bullpen that has failed so foten in the past? Technically, that shouldn't have anything to do with it...but I can only guess that Prior would prefer to not have been pulled, even if it meant risking a loss.
I was likewise somewhat
I was likewise somewhat surprised to see Prior bat for himself. But really, for such a short career, can you remember any pitcher giving up more hits on 0-2 than Prior? I love the guy. And I love a guy who challenges hitters. But he's got to learn to get out of the strike zone on 0-2. Great win.
These are the only players I
These are the only players I trade Murton for
1. Albert Pujols
2. vladimir Guerro
3. A-rod
4. Clemens
5. Miguel Tejada
6. Bobby Abreu
7. Miguel Cabrerra
8. Carlos Beltran
9. Dontrelle Willis
10. Mark Buerhrle
Ok I could go on and on but you should catch my drift do not trade Murton unless your getting a guy back who has a spot in Cooperstown waiting for him, and still producing like it.
Wood & Williamson are going
Wood & Williamson are going to be in the pen. That means 2 will have to be shipped out.
Any guesses who?
I'm thinking Mitre & Wuertz will probably get axed, however if it were up to me, I'd send Hill down and cut Remmy loose, move Mitre back to rotation, and bring in Wood & Williamson to the pen.
Stoney just said on PTI that
Stoney just said on PTI that he thinks the best trade is:
CHC get: Manny Ramirez and Bill Mueller
BOS get: Aramis Ramirez, Korey Patterson, and possibly some minor leaguers but no big names.
Pull the trigger? Any thoughts? I say no.
For all the Steve Stone
For all the Steve Stone lovers out there.....please read #146 and rethink your stance on the man.
lol Rob G. Yup.
lol Rob G.
Manny: All the complaints on
Manny: All the complaints on Dusty batting patterson #1 for 8 games, but hairston has done almost as bad the past 3 weeks.
Do you remember what Korey did in the leadoff spot? How about this: .218/.268/.370. That is pathetic.
Hairston in the leadoff: .282/.368/.422.
Hairston in July: .276/.330/.425
Those numbers are significantly better than KKKorey. Don't get me wrong...I am not content with a .330 OBP in the leadoff slot, but you cannot say that he has almost been as bad as Korey.
"This is how Dusty thanks
"This is how Dusty thanks his pitchers for giving him 7 sterling innings. Hey Mark, here's a loss! There ya go, buddy! Just dangle out there on that mound!" - Jaymay
Take it easy. The job of the manager isn't to make sure his starter gets a W. You think Prior didn't want to be out there? Would you really have trusted Novoa more than Prior at that point? I was surprised he kept Prior in too but it's not like it was without any logic and was was a big FU to Prior. I'm sure he hoped Prior would get out of the eighth with ten or so pitches. He didn't. It happens. You think Prior's cursing Baker or himself for giving Glaus a gift on an 0-2 count?
"Wood & Williamson are going
"Wood & Williamson are going to be in the pen. That means 2 will have to be shipped out.Any guesses who?I'm thinking Mitre & Wuertz will probably get axed, however if it were up to me, I'd send Hill down and cut Remmy loose, move Mitre back to rotation, and bring in Wood & Williamson to the pen."
Ryno,My guess is all 4 could go. I would not be surprised if Hendry gets a loogy and anther righty. Or rusch could be involved in a deal, and Hill could stay. If there going to win the WC this pen is going to have to look completly differnt by the time they reach Philly.
Of course, players always
Of course, players always want to control their own destiny. But do the players run the team? I kinda kigured that was what the manager was for.
Mark Prior pitched well enough to get a win in this game. And if he gets a win, maybe his mindset is just that much more positive for the next game.
As it is, he gets no decision.
Look at it this way. Prior is facing a pinch hitter batting .241 in the nine spot, and he can't get him out. Then he's about to face the top of the DBack's order for the 4th time, in a one run game.
I just don't see how you justify not pulling him.
I'm only getting this worked up about this stuff because the next 10 games are pretty much gonna make or break our wildcard chances. And one simple, stupid mistake at this point could be the season.
But Dusty gets bailed out in the 9th, so I'm sure we can expect more such asinine moves.
Hey, a pretty good TCR
Hey, a pretty good TCR contest would be to predict the 25 man roster 1 week from today (8/5).
"Stoney just said on PTI
"Stoney just said on PTI that he thinks the best trade is:CHC get: Manny Ramirez and Bill Mueller
BOS get: Aramis Ramirez, Korey Patterson, and possibly some minor leaguers but no big names."
How about oh HELL no to that trade. At least Stoney is living up to his nickname.
Re: #146 Why would you give
Re: #146
Why would you give up ARam, who is entering the prime of his career, for two players who will turn 34 & 35 next year? Why downgrade 3B, when you can upgrade LF w/o doing so? Not to mention the fact that ManRam is owed a ton of cash, and is a bear to deal with.
I've always liked Stone, but he seems to have lost his mind this year.
no thank you
no thank you
To 146: No How about Cubs
To 146: No
How about Cubs get Pierre and Ramirez, Bos gets Lowell and Burnett, FLA gets Patterson and Mueller, minor leaguer from CHI and BOS, and cash.
Ah, don't forget Stone has
Ah, don't forget Stone has consistently stated his belief that the Cubs will win the wildcard (as recently as yesterday). So he is only crazy when saying crazy things, but when he says noncrazy things he doesn't really sound crazy at all.
It's possible Hendry won't
It's possible Hendry won't do a trade by Sunday afternoon...Here are some of his latest comments...
{...The Chicago Cubs may not make a deal by Sunday's trade deadline but they will still add three Major League players.
Nomar Garciaparra, Kerry Wood and Scott Williamson all are close to completing their rehab sessions and will likely join the big-league team in early August.
"We'd like to be aggressive here, we'd like to do something by Sunday, but it's not a situation where it's a desperate thing," Cubs general manager Jim Hendry said Friday. "When you can get Nomar and Woody and Williamson back, hopefully, in the next seven or eight days, that may be better served than I could do elsewhere."...}
In the immortal words of
In the immortal words of Whitney Houston "Hell to the No!"
What purpose would that trade serve? If we were to trade for Ramirez, I say give them Burnitz, Wood, and a Minor League pitcher.
I would not go more than that. I would not trade for Soriano either. Here's what I learned from 1998--Unless you really believe you are about to aquire someone who will help you win the pennant, then don't pull the trigger.
From what I've heard now, Ramirez definitely was not going to be running much. Barrett was the better choice since any grounder that Ramirez hit would be a sure DP. In fact, Baker would've pinch ran for Ramirez if the game had continued.
"CHC get: Manny Ramirez and
"CHC get: Manny Ramirez and Bill Mueller
BOS get: Aramis Ramirez, Korey Patterson, and possibly some minor leaguers but no big names."
Did you forget to mention $100m in non-sequential fifty dollar bills coming our way, or am I missing something? Because that's just about the only way that's a good trade. In fact, I'm not even sure about that.
Okay, I like Bill's trade
Okay, I like Bill's trade much better than mine.
can you remember any pitcher
can you remember any pitcher giving up more hits on 0-2 than Prior?
My guess was this was your imagination, and it wasn't much different than other top starters. So I looked it up. Here it is.
Hitters are hitting .165 against prior with an 0-2 count. Here are some others for comparison:
- Pedro: .071
- Randy Johnson: .128
- Buehrle: .128
- Clemens: .136
- Zambrano: .087
- Oswalt: .127
- Carpenter: .132
- Halladay: .127
It looks like Prior has given up more than his share of 0-2 hits this year, at least in comparison some of the other top pitchers in baseball. Surprisingly Clemens has the highest of this group. But still the difference between Clemens and Prior is 30 points - which would be the difference between someone like Ramirez and Burnitz.
On deck: Rich Hill (0-0,
On deck: Rich Hill (0-0, 4.22 ERA) will make his second big-league start on Saturday, facing the Diamondbacks for the first time. Arizona will start lefty Mike Gosling (0-2, 4.13 ERA).
Great...another Matt Murton kinda day!
Maybe we can see Hairston, Murton at the top of the order.
Here's someone who thinks
Here's someone who thinks the Cubs should not do a trade right now...
"The answers to the Cubs' playoff prayers aren't out in the open market as the trade deadline approaches, but in the team's minor leagues. Hendry would be wise not to make any foolish trades, because the team will get the help it needs from within."
You can't get help from
You can't get help from within if the manager refuses to play anyone under 34...
Big Low: " but you cannot
Big Low:
" but you cannot say that he has almost been as bad as Korey."
I said "SINCE he took over at CF". Before then he was a sub and rightfully so. Now since he has been given the start in CF and leadoff role fulltime, he has been bad (he is 20-74 (.270 avg & .299 OBP) with 9 runs and 3 BB/HBP since taking over CF on July 8th). Not counting his average baserunning and average defense.
Yes that is only 3 weeks, but I think a majority of people realize that he is not a real leadoff man and CF, thus we need to go get someone and he is not the greatest option as some were saying when CPat lead off those last 8 games.
And Steve Stone thinks he
And Steve Stone thinks he could be a GM...HA HA
Stay in the booth and keep being your bitter self.
I agree with all of dusty's
I agree with all of dusty's moves today except for letting macias bat in the 9th. Other than that a well coached game by Dusty. (He still needs to go)
Prior gives up too many 0-2
Prior gives up too many 0-2 hits, Prior's pitch counts are too high and he doesn't go deep into games.
It's basically one or the other, I vote for option #01, go after the guy and don't waste too many pitches. Of course the key is to make a good 0-2 pitch and I'm sure Prior wanted that fastball a lot higher then where he got it.
All the complaints on Dusty batting patterson #1 for 8 games, but hairston has done almost as bad the past 3 weeks.
First Patterson has 119 at-bats from the leadoff spot and he certainly got those in more then 8 games. I suppose you're talking about the last stretch though.
Second, I have 4 BB's/1 HBP on Hairston in 17 games.
Third,you want to take 3 weeks of at-bats as to the value of a player? I'd prefer to look a little deeper.
Patterson batting out of the #1 spot:
2005 .218/.268/.370
2004 .261/.317/.486
2003 .350/.350/.550 (in 20 at-bats)
Hairston batting out of the #1 spot:
2005 .282/.368/.422
2004 .295/.311/.523 (in 44 at-bats)
2003 .295/.389/.405
Since 2003 Overall:
Patterson: .264/.308/.443
Hairston: .283/.361/.389
So which is more likely to occur, Hairston returns to being a 350ish OBP guy or Patterson suddenly becomes one? And if you want to look at something as short-sighted as the last 3 weeks, Baker moved Patterson into the leadoff spot AFTER he was struggling. So now he's potentially giving the most at-bats to his worst hitter. Awful, awful idea.
If we can find a better lead-off/CF option, I'm all for it, but Hairston is EASILY the best option right now and I'd be rather surprised if his "struggles" continue for much longer.
The only thing about getting
The only thing about getting rid of Dusty is who would replace him?
Brenly--Too soon. If this happened right now, it would stick with the Cubs for a long time to come. Hiring a guy in the booth to replace your manager when they falter has become popular motion; however, I don't believe it has happened in this short period of time though. I'm not sure it would sit well with the players.
Spiers--Strong possibility down the road; not ready for the position now, especially in the middle of the race.
Uncle Lou--Upgrade on the field decisions, downgrade on the player relationhip.
I don't care WHAT you
I don't care WHAT you say.
I don't care WHAT evidence you have to prove me wrong.
This is a GOOD team and we have a GOOD chance at going places.
Hendry can make it all that much better by Monday...
Go CUBS.
MannyTrillo is blown out of
MannyTrillo is blown out of the water yet again by hard statistics and reasoned argument. Yet another day at TCR.
"The only thing about
"The only thing about getting rid of Dusty is who would replace him?"
BV, If you are looking for someone in season the best guy to go to is Jim Leyland. The man has a ring, he knows the city from his day as Larussa's 3rd base coach with the Sox. Also if your looking at a possible NLCS match-up with the Cards he knows Larussa better than some people know themselves. (AKA he know when Larussa would call for a squezze) Personally I would wait till the end of the year and get Terry Pendleton. He has done a great job with those young hitters in ATL. He could do some great things with Murton and Pie when he is called up. Also his four-year apprenticeship under Bobby Cox doesn't hurt either.
Death, taxes...
Death, taxes...
"SportsCenter just ended with a report from Buster Olney:
Man Ram and Danny Baenz to the Mets
Aubrey Huff to the Sox
Prospects to the Drays
I am sure cash is involved too.
I don't buy it, ManRam wants to get out of the spotlight, where is day to day activities aren't tracked, and NY is going to do that?
The stories, Not wanting to play when they needed him. The newspaper calling him about his wife's OB apointment and the question about a little manram running around? I can't imagine it, but where is he going to hide on NY?
Waiting for the news to hit the net...will post link."
holy shit. holy shit. holy shit.
So much for Huff or Manny.
Manny, you delusional
Manny, you delusional Dusty-lover...
After his piss-poor management this past week (in particular), for you to post IN DUSTY WE TRUSTY!!! after the Cubs bailed his ass out again... geez. I hate to say this, but I'd have to karate chop you as hard as I could - right square in the throat - if I was within arms distance of you.
So sportscenter just ends
So sportscenter just ends without analyzing the deal...Hmm
Wouldn't it be on ESPNnews by now and espn.com
Smells like a board troll making up stuff, and I don't see anything on SoSH about it, like the post said.
BJS - if it's any
BJS - if it's any consolation, Darwinism usually weeds out those like Manny...
Rob, there is some talk of
and it's been over 20
and it's been over 20 minutes since that was posted on athletics nation and still nothing on the net that I can find.
I don't buy it....
From Will Carroll at
From Will Carroll at BP:
"Friday, July 29, 7:25 p.m. ET: Boston talk radio...OK, should I stop right there? No, I like those guys so I'll let everyone know that they're talking about one of the most complex deals I've heard. Not only would Manny Ramirez move, but the Devil Rays are (again) involved. Specifics are tough to come by with these kinds of rumors, but the buzz is that Ramirez ends up in Queens, the Sox get Mike Cameron and Aubrey Huff, and the Devil Rays end up with the collective minor league systems of both clubs. Suffice it to say that the Powerball ticket I have in my pocket is more likely to happen, but you can't win if you don't play."
It's also reported on the
It's also reported on the Boston Globe's front page, but just reports right now, nothing official
Yeah, Now that I think about
Yeah, Now that I think about it that deal makes no sense. Theo wouldn't trade Manram and good prospects and cash just for Huff. TB would want and says it wants a top young MLB talent for Baez and Huff, so there would have to some name like Reyes or Youklis going to TB not just prosecpts.
thanks for the link, but I
thanks for the link, but I don't see anything specific about that deal, maybe I'm just missing it. I do see some talk on boston.com
they claim the deal is
Mets - Manny/Baez
Red Sox - Huff/Cameron
DRays - Prospects including Anibal Sanchez (AA Pitcher)
Interesting deal....does make the Mets a force in the Wild Card race, that's for sure. And as mentioned just "talks" right now albeit serious ones.
Thanks TEM, I'll try and
Thanks TEM, I'll try and remember that the next time I feel like using martial arts (that I don't know) on someone.
Well, Ramirez is still in
Well, Ramirez is still in the game. I'm sure the deal is not done.
oh yeah Frank Thomas is out for the season and Ken Williams isn't one to stand pat.
Once again, if the Cubs were to be sellers, I bet the White Sox could use Burnitz and the Sox actually have some studly AA OF prospects if I recall correctly and that Brandon McCarthy guy.
Sorry, I thought the "I
Sorry, I thought the "I don't buy it" part obviously meant it wasn't a done deal yet. I should have pointed that out...
Nevin to TEX for Chan Ho...
If the Sox trade McCarthy
If the Sox trade McCarthy for Burnitz, they're retarded. They do have Kenny Williams in charge...
The White Sox still owe us
The White Sox still owe us one for the Garland-Karchner deal, you know :)
As for Nevin, crap, there goes my idea for a potential trade that I wrote about in the previous thread.
interesting rumor on
interesting rumor on sportsline.com
"The Cardinals are looking for outfield help in the direction of the Cincinnati Reds, who are expected to part with at least one of four players at the position --Ken Griffey Jr., Wily Mo Pena, Austin Kearns or Adam Dunn"
Well the Cards are certainly not against giving up top prospects. I don't even want to think how scary that offense would be with Dunn in it.
TEM: "BJS - if it's any
"BJS - if it's any consolation, Darwinism usually weeds out those like Manny..."
Darwinism is wrong...I am still here. And iit was right, how does macias still have a MLB job?
In Dusty We Trusty!!
other than Wainright and
other than Wainright and Reyes the Cards do not have any good prospects.
Ah, don't forget Stone has
Ah, don't forget Stone has consistently stated his belief that the Cubs will win the wildcard (as recently as yesterday). So he is only crazy when saying crazy things,
I like Stoney....but I think this is equally as crazy. Cubs are not going to win the wildcard. It is way too close and we have way too much Dusty for that to happen.
Some crap on E$PN:
"We'd like to be aggressive
"We'd like to be aggressive here, we'd like to do something by Sunday, but it's not a situation where it's a desperate thing," Cubs general manager Jim Hendry said Friday. "When you can get Nomar and Woody and Williamson back, hopefully, in the next seven or eight days, that may be better served than I could do elsewhere."...}
Seems to me this team is needing more help and this team has had Wood on it already. He was just hurt it isn't like we are getting someone who's been out the whole year......and we really don't know what we are getting when we get him back...
Maybe the team would be stronger if Wood was traded and we get some prospects making us stronger for the upcoming seasons?
Do the Mets have this kind
Do the Mets have this kind of money? If they get Manny, their payroll will soon be bigger than the Yanks.
Mets - Manny/Baez
Red Sox - Huff/Cameron
DRays - Yusmeiro Petit/Lastings Milledge from Mets
Kelly Shoppach and Anibal Sanchez from Red Sox
Petit is a RHP, 20 years old in AA with a crazy BB/SO ratio, does give up a few dingers although this is the first season that has cropped up
Milledge is one of the better known prospects in the game. A 20 year old who recently got called up to AA. Similar to Felix Pie with better strike zone judgement but less power.
Shoppach would take over for Piazza next year and has been discussed in a number of trades
Sanchez is a RHP who just got called up to AA as well.
Sanchez was #5 on BA's Red Sox Top 10 prospect list , Shoppach #8
Milledge #1, Petit #2
as a reminder and if you were interested in the Cubs dealing for any of those players, here was our top 10 list:
Oh man that's painful, Dopirak is sucking the life out of Daytona, Pie is sitting on the DL(although I like him)
Harvery is the master of the K (in a bad way), Guzman may pitch in August, Petrick is out for the year with shoulder woes, Pinto got demoted to AA (where he is doing well), Marshall is on the DL with shoulder problems, Leicester sucks, Johnson is hardly dominating A ball, Dubois got traded.
my bad, Shoppach is going to
my bad, Shoppach is going to the Drays, not Mets. Takes over for whatever scrub is filling the position at the moment, Toby Hall?
Maybe the Cubs should trade
Maybe the Cubs should trade for a starter like Burnett or Schmidt or maybe even Moyer or Kip Wells. To me, unless the Cubs get Billy Wagner (highly doubtful), I have a feeling I am going to be underwhelmed if Hendry acquires a reliever. I'd rather see the Cubs get a starter and see if Jerome Williams can handle a setup role than to trade a prospect for a garden-variety Dan Miceli-type.
If the goal is to win the World Series this year and if the Cubs have a four-man rotation in the postseason, would you really feel comfortable with Jerome Williams taking the ball? I'm not there yet. Having said that, Williams is a better pitcher than Sergio Mitre or Michael Wuertz, and I could see him filling that roles.
So I guess my question is this: What is your short-term feeling on Jerome Williams, and what is your long-term feeling? Can you see Jerome Williams starting a postseason game this year or next?
What a great trade;
What a great trade; everybody gets what they need.
Can we trade for Theo Epstein?
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Meh, I messed that up. Mets are in.
Cards and Giants can still tie though.
Kershaw gets hurt by his defense and gave up 2 more runs. Blach has 8 shutout innings.
Mets already won as did Cards.
tomorrow is gonna be helluva fun if Giants hold on. We're all rooting for a 3-way tie I presume.
good news is now 5 K's for Lester through 4 (in a quest for 200 for season). Bad news is he's already at 86 pitches.
be curious how long Maddon sticks with Lester to try and let offense get back into it and get him the win (4-2 as I type, was 4-0)
Fwiw, he needed 2.1 IP to cross 200 for season so he got that at least. He also needs 9 K's for 200K's on season and he has 4 through 3.
cubs score 2 runs thanks to predictable reds pitching and horrible CIN defense...cubs only down by 1 now. heyward even got a gift 2rbi double out of an easy popout. neat.
something named Ty Blach has outpitched Clayton Kershaw through 6 innings (1-0 Giants).
not that finishing 2nd place will matter much nor did this game, but have to think if Hendricks pitches well tomorrow, he could leapfrog Lester in Cy Young voting. Don't see anyway Scherzer doesn't win it regardless and it doesnt' look like Lester has any incentive clauses that matter. Also might give Cueto some votes.
Rather remarkable how many teams have really good 1-2 options this year.
Nats: Scherzer and Roark (and Strasburg was great before injuries)
Cubs: Lester and Hendricks (and Arrietta is still damn good just not as consistently lately)
pretty much what I'm gathering from this thread is that it doesn't matter who you play in 5-game series, but no one wants to have to deal with Cardinal fans if we end up losing.
I can respect that.
first game for lester giving up more than 2 runs since july 24th. hell of a run.
doh, yes...dunno what happened there. jake arrieta is all "bro wut?"
lester going for #20...cubs haven't had a LH (thanks jpep for the correction) 20 game winner since d.ellsworth in 1963.
fwiw, all the games are free on mlb.tv
Short rest for MadBum would be 2 days. WC game is Wed., Games 1 & 2 are Friday/Saturday.
A left-handed one...
J-Hey not finishing with an offensive onslaught.
If Geoff Blum could be a Playoff hero, there is hope still...
Giants scare me. I think you're wrong about Bumgarner, he would pitch on short rest for Game 2 and then full rest for Game 5. Cueto would go Game 1, then short rest in game 4. Add in some really tough outs in that lineup and I want nothing to do with them. With that rotation they can easily steal a series.
Cards are a tough matchup. The rivalry evens out their comparable lack of talent. And like someone said, they love HRs, which is how to beat the Cubs. The upside is that I would feel really good about Lester twice against STL.


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Thursday, October 31, 2013
The Mellow Mushroom Pirates defeated Billy Swails State Farm Patriots Wednesday, Oct. 23 in the Mount Pleasant Recreation mite football playoffs, 26-6. Will Harris. No. 12, quarterback and running back, was the player of the game with three rushing touchdowns, one touchdown pass, two interceptions and an two extra-point conversion kicks to seal the win. He ran for more than 225 yards behind a great blocking effort led by big Will Armitage along with Oliver Root, Ryan Hernandez, Tucker Hadigan and Christian Wilcox.
For the year Harris has amassed mor than 1,500 yards rushing to go along with 22 touchdowns in the mite division. None of that could be possible without the strong play of all his teammates including fellow runningback, Ryan Loud, fullback Brooks Maxwell and the rest of the Mellow Mushroom Pirates.
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While snow started to fall Wednesday night, several area landscapers were inside Island Grove Regional Park's Events Center transforming it into a spring lollapalooza complete with blooming flowers and trees.
The Tribune's 30th anniversary Home & Garden Show kicks off Friday and will host 180 vendors, as well as four featured gardens. Emily Tilton, event producer, said there will be plenty of inspiration, education and expertise.
"There is a lot to discover," Tilton said. "You will be surrounded by inspiration for both large-scale projects and projects for the inside corners of your home. You've got the opportunity in one location to shop around, ask questions and compare to make an educated investment in your home."
Booths will include handcrafted furniture, hot tubs, counter tops, window treatments, flooring companies and more.
"There are also the small things people can take home right away that can help make your house a home," Tilton said.
The featured gardens will each display different landscaping ideas and techniques. Gardens were built by Alpine Gardens, Fisher Landscaping, Dreamscaping Inc., and GrowGreen Landscape & Maintenance.
"It will be an oasis in here with the long-awaited snowstorm" going on outside, Tilton said. "It is full of life with a multitude of flower and tree varieties primed to bloom this weekend."
Alpine Gardens is showing off a design that promotes outdoor living with rocked walls, a kitchen area, a fire pit and a water feature.
"We are trying to show some ideas for outdoor living with an interesting way to provide shade," Kris Nylander said. "It's a little more modern approach with a mix of a natural boulder water feature."
Alpine Gardens has been in business in Greeley for 35 years and has attended the show almost all 30 years.
"We are part of the community here," Nylander said. "It's a good opportunity for us to see old friends and customers."
For a larger landscaping project, Fisher Landscaping designed a park-style theme with multiple water features, walk ways, tulips and daffodils and trees.
"They can enjoy the entire space by walking through the landscape versus standing on the outside and looking in," Rick Fisher said.