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January 19, 2013, 04:50 PM
What is the definition of a Combat Revolver? I have heard this and that called a combat revolver but what is it really? examples?
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January 19, 2013, 04:56 PM
One with that name is the S&W Combat Masterpiece. Became known as the Model 15 when S&W started that naming convention in 1957.
Other than that, I don't what the actual definition would be per se, unless it was one used and issued during a war like the M&P during WWI or the Wembley during WWII. And many during the Civil War of course but I don't think those would be considered modern enough.
January 19, 2013, 04:57 PM
S&W or Colt Model 1917 fought WWI, so that would count I suppose.
S&W Model 10 Military & Police?
S&W Model 19 Combat Magnum?
The fact is though, that any revolver is a combat revolver if it could be used in combat.
January 19, 2013, 04:59 PM
I believe it is a term taken from the Smith and Wesson .357 Combat Magnum revolver, which later became the Model 19. Maybe similar revolvers from other manufacturers were referenced as combat revolvers? Just a guess.
January 19, 2013, 05:32 PM
Is a GP100 a "Combat revolver"?
January 19, 2013, 06:32 PM
Here's my own definition (and I was issued a model 10 heavy barrel the last week of 1973.... I was allowed to purchase it the day I retired out in 1995)...
A combat revolver is one that's at least 38 caliber with at least a 4" barrel and absolutely no adjustible sights or any bells and whistles at all... I want a very basic sturdy revolver that can take every bad thing that can happen to a pistol being carried daily when you might have to bet your life on it....
All the manufacturer's designations were purely for marketing purposes in my opinion. If you have a choice always opt for the heaviest non-target barrel that the manufacturer offers for that model.
I'm only familiar with Smith & Wesson (for Ruger or Colt fans... you're on your own....) In blued steel it's a model 10 (the same weapon is also offered in 357mag - someone else will have to provide the model number). In stainless it's the model 64 (and I owned two of those at one time, a standard 4" and a 2" with round butt...).
Colt and Ruger made revolvers that fit the above description but I never owned one and can't name any particular model.
All of the above is just my personal opinion but imagine owning a fine revolver with an adjustible sight... that's been knocked out of alignment at some point... Just not something I'd want to bet my life on, period.
January 19, 2013, 06:56 PM
To some the word combat applies only to military combat, when in truth the term applies to any fight. Smith and Wesson used the name for what became known as the Combat Masterpiece to differentiate from the K-38 Masterpiece. The K-38 was its father if you will. Fashioned for the target range and bullseye competioin, it was so fine a revolver that it was made known to Smith that there would be a demand for such a revolver with characteristics that lent themselves to a fighting gun. Hence the Combat Masterpiece. If a cop gets into a gunfight he is in a form of combat and can be considered to be using a combat weapon.
Using combat as a modifier to imply military only application is something of a misnomer. Using tactical as a modifier in my mind means even less. It has come to common usage for a particular collection of features. I think in reality they have more marketing application than anything more substantive.
P.S. Combat Revolver= a revolver you can fight with.
Jim K
January 19, 2013, 07:01 PM
In the military, the term "combat" is applied to some item intended for use in combat as opposed to something intended for use in garrison, like "combat" boots as opposed to shoes, or "combat" rations, as opposed to the mess hall chow. In the civilian world, a term to hype about anything from "combat" flashlights to "combat" jockstraps. Same as "tactical", another advertising hype term to sell junk to those who want to pretend to be a soldier or police officer.
January 19, 2013, 07:58 PM
To some the word combat applies only to military combat, when in truth the term applies to any fight. Smith and Wesson used the name for what became known as the Combat Masterpiece to differentiate from the K-38 Masterpiece. The K-38 was its father if you will. Fashioned for the target range and bullseye competioin, it was so fine a revolver that it was made known to Smith that there would be a demand for such a revolver with characteristics that lent themselves to a fighting gun. Hence the Combat Masterpiece. If a cop gets into a gunfight he is in a form of combat and can be considered to be using a combat weapon.
Using combat as a modifier to imply military only application is something of a misnomer. Using tactical as a modifier in my mind means even less. It has come to common usage for a particular collection of features. I think in reality they have more marketing application than anything more substantive.
P.S. Combat Revolver= a revolver you can fight with.
Totally agree
Target models were intended for the range. Combat models were made for Military/Police use.
Model 19 was the Combat Magnum
Model 586/686 was the Distinguished Combat Magnum
January 19, 2013, 08:16 PM
January 19, 2013, 08:36 PM
If I see the term in a gun article somewhere I usually assume the writer's using it to differentiate something he thinks of as a full-sized fighting revolver of ~4-5" barrel, probably with fixed sights and perhaps a utilitarian finish.
As opposed to a small concealed-carry snubby, a precision target-shooting revolver, or a large hunting wheelgun.
I'd say it would almost always be a .38 or .38/.357, but there was a day when the .45ACP moonclip guns were the epitome of a combat revolver.
January 19, 2013, 09:37 PM
I would have to agree that what describes a combat revolver would be fixed sight 4 inch in either 38 special or 357 magnum. When I think of a combat revolver I also think about a police service revolver. Examples that come to mine are the S&W model 10/64 in 38 special and the S&W model 13/65 in 357 magnum. In Ruger it would be the Police Service Six in either 38 special or 357 magnum. In Colt the Police Positive come to mind for me. All of these above examples represent a combat or service revolver.
Of course this is my opinion.
January 19, 2013, 09:57 PM
It's called a "Victory model or Victory Pistol" & there's several around for sale here and there. The real great looking ones are quite expensive too.
January 19, 2013, 10:52 PM
Not entirely sure where, or when the term "combat revolver" started. All I do know, per Smith & Wesson customer service, is that the 2 1/2" K frame round butt .357 Magnum revolver I have, is called a Combat model K. And through my research, here and there, the first thing that pops up, is normally a 2 1/2" Smith K frame, round butt, .357 Mag revolver.
I think another call to S&W is in my future Monday morning.
January 20, 2013, 11:48 AM
per Smith & Wesson customer service it is called a Combat model K.
They would be wrong then.
If you have a .357, you have a .357 Combat Magnum. (Later called the Model 19)
If it were a .38 Spl, it would be a K-38 Combat Masterpiece. (Later called the Model 15)
The Combat name originated in 1949 when S&W introduced the K-38 Combat Masterpiece.
The name Combat Magnum originated in 1955 when at the urging of border patrolman Bill Jordan, they introduced the .357 Combat Magnum.
January 20, 2013, 01:01 PM
Great Brittain used the 455 Webley break open revolvers in WWI. WWII they adopted the Browning Hi-Power but they also had the revolvers in the odd 38 S&W 200 gr. load
WWI - Both the Smith & Wesson and Colt New Service chambered in .45
ACP utilizing half moon clips - just over 150,000 produced.
General Mark Clark carried a 4" M1917 in WWII and the Korean War, Generals get their way.... eh?
Post WWII - S&W produced the 1950 Target as well as the 1950 "Army"
the latter having a 4" Bbl. & fixed sights, compared to the former's 6.5" Bbl. & adj. sights, target hmmer and target trigger.
S&W then built the 1955 Target which became the Model 25 in '57 with a
non tapered barrel.
Today, the Model 22 4" Bbl. fixed sights, and the Model 22 Model of 1917
with 5.5" Bbl and fixed sights are offered.
The S&W "Victory" model .38 Special was issued to USN pilots in WWII.
and of course the USAF used the S&W 38s for security duty at bases.
One could convert any adj. rear sight to the fixed rear like the one offered on the Nightguard series ( avail. at Cylinder & Slide. )
Hmm, guess the S&W Model 58 4" Bbl. fixed sights, seems like a
M&P on Steroids, only N frame I can think of with fixed rear sight.
January 20, 2013, 01:11 PM
oh, 19th century
Colt 1860 Army .44 ball & cap
Colt Single Action Army
S&W Model 3 (?)
& the Russians bought 150K or so of the
Model 3 in .44 Russian
& the ineffectual 38 Long Colt.
January 20, 2013, 01:48 PM
I would be very hesitant to allow S&W the sole privilege of defining what a combat revolver is. After all, they have a tendency to change what the definition is (fixed sights/adjustable sights, short barrel/long barrel). Also, many, many single action revolvers have been used very effectively in combat.
January 20, 2013, 01:51 PM
What is the definition of a Combat Revolver? I have heard this and that called a combat revolver but what is it really? examples?
There really isn't a commonly accepted definition...as you can see from the post here. The term has it's genius not as a defining term so much as a differentiating term, not so much as to it's intended use, but to it's differing features
The term is to separate it from Target revolvers; Hunting revolvers came much later.
I agree with rcmodel above that the origin of the term is based on the S&W naming of their guns prior to using them model numbers. Colt of that time did not use the term for their revolvers and the only gun they have used that term on just meant it was heavier (Combat Commander)
Their M&P line...Military & Police...were never called Combat revolvers. Their Target Masterpieces became the M-14, M-16, and M-17; so the shorter barreled (but still adjustable sighted M-15 & M-18) became the Combat Masterpieces. They continued this naming with the M-19 Combat Magnum...the M-13 (HB M-10; chambered in .357Mag) never got that designation...they couldn't just call it just a Magnum as it might be confusing with the .357 Magnum (M-27) and they couldn't use the word Police in the name as Colt had claim to that already
The current usage has taken a once proprietary term and applied it much in the way we use the term Tactical...which jokingly means, it is painted flat black or FDE
January 20, 2013, 02:20 PM
The definition of a combat revolver is simply Smith & Wesson model 686.
January 20, 2013, 02:51 PM
IMHO, a combat revolver would be one better suited to gunfighting. With little to no concessions made for concealment. That usually means a 4" barrel and at least a .38Spl chambering.
Same as "tactical", another advertising hype term to sell junk to those who want to pretend to be a soldier or police officer.
Or to differentiate combat ready lights like those from Surefire from housewife-ready flashlights like those from Eveready. There IS a difference and we NEED a word to illustrate that difference. Has nothing to do with anybody pretending to be anything. Joe Schmoe who wakes up to a window being broken has just as much a need for a good tough, dependable flashlight as Sgt. Dildong responding to the call after the deed has been done.
January 20, 2013, 02:54 PM
Let's not get started on S&W Model nmbers, ugh.
ah, Model 15 Combat Masterpiece
MOdel 19 Combat Magnum
686 is DIstinguished COmbat Magnum
oh any ofthese with the adj. rear sight can becomme more
"Combat" ized ,-- first time I['ve used the word that way....
Cylinder and SLide Extreme Duty fixed rear sight fits the exisitng
notch the stock adj. rear sight is in.
the above C&S ED fixed rear is used by S&W on the Nightguard series.
January 20, 2013, 03:02 PM
I carried this one for 13 years as duty sidearm. We were in some serious social squabbles and got home OK.
I reckon it qualifies as a combat revolver.
Military and Police .41 Magnum (model 58)
January 20, 2013, 03:15 PM
Having adjustable sights on a revolver called a Combat revolver never made much sense to me either. That is how I knew that S&W's naming was just that...a model branding.
The Thunder Ranch Specials would be what I would call Combat Revolvers. Nice N-frame follow-ons to the old M-520 and M-58, along with the K-frame M-10 and M-13
January 20, 2013, 03:53 PM
Iqgy - verra nice 58 always liked that Model
what grips are those?
used in the Russian Military since 1895 the Nagant
Driftwood Johnson
January 20, 2013, 04:31 PM
As far as S&W is concerned, it's just a marketing term. Here is my Model 19 that I bought in 1975. Notice what the paperwork says.
The original idea was, there was only one 357 Magnum, a large frame S&W, built on the N frame. When it was first introduced in 1935 it was simply called The 357 Magnum. That was the model name.
Later, when a slightly lighter weight 357 Magnum was needed, the Combat Magnum was developed on the slightly smaller K frame.
That's really all there is to it.
January 20, 2013, 04:37 PM
Driftwood, those are some nice revolvers.
Deaf Smith
January 20, 2013, 07:39 PM
What is the definition of a Combat Revolver? I have heard this and that called a combat revolver but what is it really? examples?
Combat as in... Combat Magnum.
My M66-1 above on left is a Combat Magnum. The Security Six on the left, aw man it's ever a better Combat Magnum. Both are tight, both shoot right on the money. The M66 takes +P .38s all day and the Security Six uses low end magnums all day.
Yes I could stuff in top .357 loads but I do like my Combat Magnums to last!
They are both good to ride the river with.
January 21, 2013, 07:30 PM
Those are some home made grips.. I couldn't afford factory targets on a cop's salary back in '66.
I destroyed the modified magnas that came on the gun for the hardware.:o
Now those modified magnas would probably sell for more than the gun.:banghead:
January 21, 2013, 07:41 PM
How does the L-frame 586 fit into the S&W scheme. We used .38 Masterpieces in USAF and when I got out I latched onto a 586 as it seemed just like what I used in the service, except it was chambered for .357. It has been a very good pistol all these years. I wasn't aware at the time that I was buying an oddball, but it has treated me well.
January 21, 2013, 08:13 PM
There was nothing oddball about the 586. S&W produced the 6 shot carbon steel guns with the full length underlug from about 1980-1999. They were sold in a 4", 6" and 8 3/8" barrel lengths. They were the first L frame 357s and named the "Distinguished Combat Magnum". A 7 shot L frame "Carry Comp" 586 with a 3" barrel was also marketed. They were discontinued in 1999.
The stainless steel 686 is the same gun but in stainless and often 7 shot.
The specific name is marketing.
January 21, 2013, 08:20 PM
Thanks tipoc, I just love looking over these revolver threads, especially when there are photos. True confession, I own a Glock 21, but it is a cold mistress. I just don't feel the love, the Smith just evokes so much of the blue steel and walnut era.
January 21, 2013, 09:49 PM
They were the first L frame 357s and named the "Distinguished Combat Magnum". A 7 shot L frame "Carry Comp" 586 with a 3" barrel was also marketed. They were discontinued in 1999.
The stainless steel 686 is the same gun but in stainless and often 7 shot.
The 586 and 686 were both introduced at the same time and their cylinders were chambered for 6 rounds...the 7 shot 686 was the 686 Plus. At the same time, they offered the same gun with fixed sights...these were the 581/681.
The "Distinguished" part of their name refers to the original intent to contest the PPC Distinguished Match (non-bull barrel) against the 6" Python, where the 6" M-19 was at a disadvantage with it's lighter barrel.
January 21, 2013, 09:58 PM
I keep thinking George Patten, Charles Askins, Elmer Keith, Skeeter Skelton, and Bill Jordan didn't have any strange aversion to adjustable sights on a combat revolver.
They seemed to prefer them in fact.
(Askins & Jordan were probably in more gunfights and killed more men then all of us put together!)
I prefer them too!
I have carried adjustable sighted handguns for the better part of 50 years, and have never broke or knocked an adjustable sight off yet.
And I'm getting too old to start doing it now for sure!
January 21, 2013, 10:47 PM
I think the adjustable sights on a S&W are robust enough that there should be very little worry about losing zero or breaking them. Even Ruger's aluminum rear sight is pretty tough. I've only seen one break, on my brother's 22/45 but he could break a hammer. To set one's mind at ease, there are steel replacements available from Ruger, Millett (defunct), Bowen and Reeder.
January 22, 2013, 12:02 AM
I've managed to muddle along with adjustable sight concealed carry guns for the 36 years since I left LE, without breaking a sight or ripping my clothes drawing the gun.
Don't have covered triggers guards on the holsters and haven't shot myself in the butt either.:evil:
January 22, 2013, 12:07 AM
On the off chance you did somehow knock an adjustable rear sight screwy??
So what?
You still got a front sight.
And if you still got a front sight, you still got a combat revolver.
Thats the only thing you should be looking at in a gun fight in the first place!
The adjustable rear only comes into it's own if you want a gun that shoots where it looks at long range with the loads you are using.
And that's always a good thing to have in combat.
January 22, 2013, 07:01 AM
What I posted earlier was strictly my own opinion (and we'll get back to that opinion in a moment...). I have seen more than one officer's revolver that had the rear sight knocked out of alignment and needed adjustment to get the guy back on target years ago. The problem with all of this, as I see it, is that you'd never know anything was wrong until you tried to hit something using those sights... that's why I prefer a simpler setup for daily carry. Most armed citizens take excellent care of their sidearms (and certainly aren't in the business of rolling around in the gutter with anyone while carrying a weapon). Unfortunately in the world I lived in we jumped, climbed, fell, and did lots of things that were hard on uniforms and the gear. That's the reason I said what I did...
As far as real combat on the street with firearms... I consider a pistol to be what you used when you couldn't get to something heavier. For many years I never went to the party without a shotgun in my hands - and never regretted it. I only fired one shot on the street in 22 years... and that one round of buckshot did exactly what it was designed to do -it ended the confrontation right then. Living with that isn't something I'm proud of at all...
January 23, 2013, 11:00 AM
Deleted.. guess I'm a liar.:cool:
January 23, 2013, 11:11 AM
I'd be careful about assuming things like kills. I was on a mortar team in combat, and I'm certain there are many THR members who've killed more folks than I.
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A burly sheep hunting pant built for racking up vertical in mid to cold conditions, our Timberline Pant has long stood as the alpine hunter's workhorse. The Timberline Pant is a highly technical 4-way stretch polyester spandex pant with double reinforced waterproof/breathable nylon ripstop knees and seat with articulated knee pads that are removable.
A burly sheep hunting pant built for racking up vertical in mid to cold conditions, our Timberline Pant has long stood as the alpine hunter's workhorse. The Timberline Pant is a highly technical 4-way stretch polyester spandex pant with double reinforced waterproof/breathable nylon ripstop knees and seat with articulated knee pads that are removable.
"The Timberline Pant is my go-to pant. As a mountain hunter, you spend plenty of time hiking hard and then slowing down for long stalks. For me, it's the best all-season pant. The waterproof seat allows me to sit on wet moss or snow covered trees and even sharp, broken rocks without hesitation. The knee pad addition is a valuable asset, whether crawling up on a bedded ram in the cactus-studded mountains of Mexico or the sharp Northwest Territories shale. When you spend months at a time in the same pair of pants, you need something that lasts and the Timberline Pant does just that."
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Rugged pant built for the mountains but comfortable enough to be worn around the house. I bought my first set last year for a Elk hunt, after crawling around the rocky terrain in the Oregon mountains I was thankful for the reinforced knee pads and waterproof butt, they performed flawless. I found them so comfortable as well that I bought a second pair in grey for shooting sports. Happy Hunting
They are worth the money and they are as good as people say. I took them on a northern Ontario moose hunt for 12 days and they worked really well. They were very comfortable and didn't bind once. They were perfect for riding ATVs, hiking through the woods, hauling a big cow and a buck out of the woods, fishing from shore and the boat and hanging out at camp. They were also warm with a good base layer under them. By the time the hunt was over, the pants were covered with mud, blood, dirt and beer and they cleaned up perfectly. The fabric was surprising to me: tough but really flexible without getting saggy and baggy after a few days. I basically wore them for the whole hunt. I didn't like the built in belt too much but it worked really well and you have to remember it's designed to be light weight, flexible, and non-binding and it does what it's designed to do. I don't carry a folder and so I hung my sheath on the belt and stuck the end of the sheath into the built-in knife pocket. It worked ok but I've asked my wife to move the belt loop over from right above the knife pocket so I can get a better fit. Bottom line: I was nervous about spending this kind of money for pants but they were well worth it and there going with me this year. Good luck and good hunting!
Great pants. Besides the complaints about the belt and the buttons, I would like them to lower the knife pocket a few inches. My knife rubs against my rifle stock when I have it shouldered. It's still my go to pant.
I wanted to wait to write my review on these pants, and since I have a full season under my belt wearing these about 80% of the time I can honestly say these are the most functional hunting pants on the market. The articulation is amazing and they never bind up. Hiking in these was super comfortable. They have very good wind resistance and offer a little warmth, with the right layers underneath these pants will take you through the whole season. I've worn these pants in 80 degree weather down to 10 degrees and they perform as advertised every time. I love the removable knee pads, I always put them in when I think I might need to sit on the ground, otherwise I leave them out. The dwr is also awesome! I've sat through several small storms and have stayed completely dry. the water proof seat is awesome when you want to sit down and your seat doesn't get soaked from the moisture on the ground. Honestly I could go on and on about these pants, so I'm just going to tell everyone who hunts to do themselves a favor and pick these up! They do not disappoint I can promise you that!
These truly are the last general hunting pants you will ever need to buy. I rifle deer hunt in at area that is all open rolling hills/prairie in northern SD and end up crawling on my hands and knees many times to stay just below the skyline to stalk deer. The knee pads are exceptional for this. The material is tough as nails yet elastic enough that it does not restrict movement. It is also much quieter than I expected. The only gripe I have is that at 6'4'' the talls are still a bit short. I could use another inch at the bottom but it isn't a deal breaker by any means. I would also recommend ordering a size larger in the waste that what you normally wear. I generally fit very comfortably into a 34 but had to send them back for a 36. Overall, they are worth every penny.
I really like the cut and feel of these pants. I wear them over a base layer all winter for active hunts and hikes and they provide enough insulation for pretty cold conditions. They are durable and the waterproof knee and backside is a great feature.
Extreamly tough pant , we treaded through very thick shrub oak and heavy timber and never got a snag on them , very comfortable and versetel . I really love the suspenders and rubber on the wast never had to adjust the pants. I only had on a merino base under and stayed very warm when it was 17 deg out
Over the years I have spend beyond hundreds, somewhere in the low thousands looking the the perfect hunting pant. The Timberline pant is now my go-to pant. In fact, for the first time ever, I was so satisfied I bought a second pair and have gotten ride of all my other hunting pants that I have collected over the years because they are now useless! The Timberline fits perfect, moves with your body and is quiet. The only problem I have found is that they are so much better that all my other hunting clothes I have began to slowly replace all my old hunting clothes with Sitka Gear.
The snaps on the cargo pockets may as well have not been there - they did nothing. I returned the pants, and the replacement is fine. These aren't marketed as canoeing pants, but the waterproof seat and knee pads make them perfect for that purpose. I wore them for ten days straight on a wilderness river trip and once the knee pads broke in could find nothing to complain about. Lightweight, fast-drying, and comfortable, with well-thought-out details like the reinforced knife pocket. Unlike some reviewers, I think the lightweight belt-and-suspenders combination is superb.
Let me start off by saying that I really wanted to like these pants. They seem like the perfect go-to outer layer. I was impressed with the quality out of the box and felt like they would be the ticket. I have to say, though, after spending 4 days hunting in them, I am very disappointed, and wish I had brought another pair of pants on my trip. I am 6' 160 lbs and usually wear a 30/32 in jeans. The size 32 fell right off of me, so I decided to go with the size 30, which the sizing chart says has a 31 in inseam. I figured with boots, it wouldn't be much of an issue. I was wrong. While walking, the pants constantly ride up on my boots and get caught on the top. While sitting, they ride up over the top of my 8" Danners and are incredibly drafty. The actual inseam measurement on my pair is 29.5". The knee pads, while a good idea, are pretty bulky and do not articulate as well as they should. They make kneeling comfortable, however while walking and sitting they always feel awkward and uncomfortable. Things I do like: again, quality is fantastic and the waterproof knees and seat are awesome. Like I said, I desperately wanted to like these, but I was let down. I guess if you have short legs and comfort isn't high on your list of priorities they will work for you. Honestly, I would probably return them if I hadn't already worn them.
Hey Daniel - Thanks for reaching out. We can appreciate your concern. Tears are always unfortunate and often times the cause is unknown to the user. Our goal is education and to walk you through your previous experience to help identify the cause. It's out intent to build trust with our gear. If the tear is actually a seam coming unraveled that is another story and please let us know as that is our fault for not asking the right questions. You did mention heavy alders. Is there a chance you slipped or fell in your push through those alders? The reality is that we make light weight, durable, breathable gear but there is a breaking point. Let's say you are 180lbs with a 40lb pack on, a slip on a broken alder branch or root system and that's nearly 220lbs of force coming down on a sharp object. Again, tears are unfortunate but they do occur, it's a reality of our passion and environment. "Gear is like fuel, you only burn through it if your using it" - Conrad Anker. Normally Tears are not covered under warranty, industry wide, but because it was your first trip we repaired them on us. That's above what many brands in the hunting and or mountain sports industry would do. You also mention matching jacket. We don't make a Timberline Jacket so I am going with the assumption that you have the Jetstream Jacket? That's the Jacket I always recommend for a 9 day hunt in Kodiak but combined with a Rain shell, such as the Stormfront Jacket. Please understand that if your jacket does not say GORE-TEX it's not going to be Waterproof. The Jetstream Jacket for example is constructed with Windstopper, which is 100% windproof but it is not Waterproof nor do we claim it to be. Please let us know if your jacket is a GORE-TEX piece - 877-748-5247.
I had a close friend recommend these pants of my hunt last year so i took a chance and got them with the matching jacket. I bought them from a local retailer here in Kodiak. I went on a 9 day goat hunt on the south side of Kodiak, Alaska and for the most part the pants did the job described. They were extremely comfortable and enjoyed wearing them more than any other pants i have ever owned. Only thing is the pants ripped right at the seat on the right side. Which is weird because that is supposed to be the strongest part. Also the belt is to small to hold a side arm. I immediately called the store I got them from and they said they would ship them to Sitka to be exchanged for another pair. 2 weeks later I get a call from a Sitka rep asking questions about how i ripped them. I explained that I didn't know how they got ripped, we were bushwalking through some thick mountainous terrain with heavy Alder bushes and other than that IDK. The only reason i knew they were ripped at the time was because my buddy behind told me as he was walking behind me that day. The Sitka rep acted like I was not telling the truth and said these pants should not have ripped at the location that they did. He acted like i ripped them on purpose. I was kind of annoyed at the fact i was nonsulantly being told i was lying. He said they would patch the rip but it would not be as affected as it was when it was new. I couldn't argue because it was either Sitka patch it or I was out 300$. I still have the pants and still use them today, but without the 100% guarantee that i will ever buy from Sitka again due to this issue with the Sitka rep. The only other thing is that the jacket did not keep me dry like it was supposed to. It rained on us the entire hunting trip and after a couple hrs the jacket would start to get soaked through and i was wet and cold and very uncomfortable. Still got my goat and tagged out on my deer though. Great gear just disappointing customer service that doesn't back their gear like they should.
Lose the belt!!! Bigger belt loops to accommodate belts for weapons on the hip! Zippers on the outside of each lower leg!
I am more than happy with my timberline pants. They are super comfortable and will be a versatile piece from early to late season. I will have a hard time wearing any other pants in the field from here on out. They stretch unbelievably well but still have a very tough feel. I don't know how sitka did this, but I am impressed.
Just got these. True to size.very comfortable. Kneepads arent a big deal especially if youve ever done trade work. Best part of the pants....top and bottom tabs on the fly zipper....genious!!!
These pants are pricey and almost worth it. I wasn't sure what to expect when I bought them but gave them a shot anyway. They were much more comfortable than other hunting pants, and the seat/knee waterproofing was good, though not really 100% waterproof. I have three complaints. First is the belt. It's worthless, you can't put a pistol, knife or anything heavy on it. All my buddies and I cut it out and the belt loops are so small it's hard to fit a real 1.5" gun belt through the loops. Please eliminate the fixed belt and make the belt loops larger. Second, not sure how pants can't be ambidextrous, but these are. The pockets are set up for right handers. Finally, I was at SHOT show 2015 and I was told by a Sitka representative that the left handed issue and belt issue would be change for this year. Hmmm, doesn't seem so.
The last pair of mountain pants you will need. Hands down the best spot and stalk pants ever made. Only thing is, I wish I could get the ascent pant thickness with the seat and knee pad on these pants for early season hunts in west tx to Arizona. I will wait patiently as I'm sure Sitka is already working on that. If you aren't holler at me I would love to put that product through west tx mesquite and heat! Every dove hunter in tx would love a very breathable hot weather pant with a knee pad, for now these pants are the best available! They truly are as tough as everyone before me is saying.
These pants are fantastic. Very comfortable and I love the waterproof seat. I do not notice the knee pads when I am hiking but do notice when I kneel down and they are right where they are supposed to be. I use them during the summer for hiking / scouting and September all the way through the nicer days of November for hunting. The buttons on the cargo pockets are worthless. They are quiet but they do not stay snapped. Not a big deal but a new source for buttons or a different system is needed.
These pants are nearly bombproof!! Super comfortable, and I love that the knees and seat are water resistant and the knee pads and suspenders came with them. They are a bit on the heavier side though, and I don't like the button pockets. All in all, it's the best pair of hunting pants I've used, and I'm buying a second pair.
After a nuclear war, the only things left on planet earth will be cockroaches and the timberline pant. I have used them for several mountain goat hunts in south central Alaska and they have performed way beyond what I expected of them. Above all they are darn tough and whatever material they make the waterproof seat out of it is bombproof... There were several times I made less than graceful descents and expected to return to the truck with tattered shreds attached to my waist. Despite my best efforts at trying to destroy them, these pants just keep going. The only bummer is that devils club thorns (and other similar plant weapons) go right through the stretchy fabric on the thigh, I would suggest beefing up that area. Besides the thorn issue (which is minor) these pants are great and I would not hesitate to purchase them again.
I really like the pants, but they would be so much better if you could use a real belt. The small belt that is included sags when you try to carry a firearm. Other than that they are great. I like the kneepads and reinforced knees and butt which makes them super durable.
Fantastic Pants! I really appreciate the padded knees and the reinforcement on the seat of these pants. When you are spot and stalking antelope in Wyoming, you need all the protection you can get. Very comfortable in all types of temperatures. I will definitely be buying more of this product.
I do like the pants overall, but would like to see the belt taken away and use belt of choice. Not able to use belt with cartridge holder. Also, the snaps that hold the pocket flaps down do not remain snapped. Actually, they are a total waste and do not work. Hope you like digging trash out of you pocket. Please consider replacing with a zipper. Again, snaps do not work at all.
Absolutely a bomb proof pant for the toughness of the Rocky Mountains. Quality stitching and certainly True to fit, but only wished I could have a shorter pant length; S (Short) R (Regular) T (Tall). These pants when accompanied by a next to skin layer thermal become a Hellfire of a pant to withstand the cutting wind and cold of high altitude elevations. Well worth every dollar you'll spend on a pant!
I love these pants, however the inseam is too short. I'm a thirty two waist and a thirty six inch inseam. How come sitka doesn't make a thirty two tall size??? I have talked to a lot of people who have the same problem.
If I could own only one pair if Sitka pants (any hunting pants for that matter) these would be it. I've worn these from 80 degrees to 15 degrees ant haven't been let down yet. On everything but the rainiest days I just throw on some gaiters along with my Cloudburst jacket and I'm good to go. Whether I'm guiding or chasing elk for myself, these are the first pants I go for. One pair has four seasons on it and it's still going strong.
Hey Dan - You will be happy to learn that 32 Talls will be offered for 2015 and available in June!
The quality of the pants is great. I love the knee pads for crawling stalks, especially antelope in rocks and cactus. The Gore knees and seat are great in the snow. My only complaint is the sizing. Why no 32 tall? I and several others I know love Sitka products, but a 32 regular is not long enough and a 34 tall requires cinching and pulling up all day long. A 32 tall would be great. I know I'm not the only one with this complaint.
I've been wearing these for about 3 wks into the Wyoming elk season. They've changed my thinking about how good hunting pants can be. Think "iron pajamas". That's the comfort level. We'll see how they hold up to the downfall and miles but I'm optimistic. The scuff guards do make a little noise but it's pretty minimal and I bet they'll break in and get quieter. if you put miles on your feet on the hunt in the mtns, buy them. Now.
Have been wearing the timberline pant for the last couple weeks as we have had early cold here in SW Montana. Moving through the wet forest, kneeling down to stalk, and sitting on my butt to glass; the pants stayed clean, dry, and comfortable. Material wise they are super durable. The quiet snaps do try to open if your moving through high brush, but they are deep enough that nothing falls out. The zippered pockets are relatively quiet as well. Its funny to be stoked on pants, but when you're confident in the gear you're wearing, the days become that much more enjoyable and lets your focus on what's important, THE HUNT!
Hey Jim - Appreciate the feedback. In regards to the belt, we designed it with only one stitch to hold it in place for this exact reason. We suggest using a seam popper or a razor to pop the stitching. Once that stitch is removed you can easily slide the belt out.
Overall a great product. I have been wishing for a waterproof seat in a pair of pants for a long time and this is it. As expected; fit, material, design is all very good. My change would be to ditch the sewn in belt. Let me put my own sitka belt in. It is too easy for my shell holder to slide off. With the bomber belt, I don't ever pull the strap out of the buckle, so nothing can escape.
Wore these on a caribou hunting trip up on the north slope of AK and couldn't have asked for a better performance out of these pants. The waterproof bottom and kneepads were perfect for keeping me dry when having to kneel/sit on the damp tundra. The suspenders and built-in belt were great features as was the rubberized waistband. Rugged design with plenty of pockets. Easy to put on every morning and walk straight out of the tent. An amazing piece of gear, look forward to many more successful hunts with it!
These pants are truly amazing. The flexibility is superior to anything I have ever worn. Recently I wore these on a antelope hunt and while the temp was high the breathed well and performed well.
The flexibility is amazing in these pants. I just returned from an early archery deer hunt in Southern AZ. It reached mid 80's and I was comfortable in the shade with these pants. Pockets are great. They're everywhere! I do agree with the last post--the quiet snaps are certainly quiet, but I do find them open at times. Luckily the flaps are deep and overlap the pocket. Drawstrings at the legs would be ideal. I got devoured by chiggers! Gaiters will be my next purchase. The knife pocket is in a great location and holds it tight. The knee pads--I was skeptical, but they are really nice...and removable from the inside--genius! They really fold around your knees nicely when kneeling or just with your legs up while sitting. The suspenders are great for a long legged guy like myself. They really extend the overall length if you're concerned about covering your boot. Also the gel-like inner liner of the waste band really keep your shirt from coming untucked...nice added bonus. I can't wait to wear them for my November AZ elk hunt in some colder weather. Thanks Sitka.
Great piece of gear. Material, fit and performance. The timberline replaces my fleece bibs in cold weather and cotton camouflage in the early season. I carry camouflage rain gear to put on top of my previous. Not any more with the timberline pant. I use the short gaiter to keep the scree and creepy crawlers out of my boots. The kick panels are noisy if you are not careful with your stride. The fit is awesome. I first tried the long cut but changed to the regular length. Perect fit 36 x 34. I'm looking for a solution to losing my belt gear every time I undo my belt. You know the situation. The belt just slides right out of the loop along with all the gear; range finder, knife, tools. The buckle hook side catches on the slider preventing loss of gear on that side. The other side is the problem. I could change how I carry my belt gear, change belts, add a slider to the other end or rivet the belt to the last belt loop to prevent loss. Give this some thought. The pocket snaps although quiet separate without warning. I carry maps and compass in my right one and calls in my left. I find the pockets open too often. I might add a magnet or something else even a zipper. The knee pads add confidence, comfort and support to my old knees. ZIP pockets are flawless and convenient. Gusset crotch, nice touch.
This is my favorite pair of pants in the camo world. Sitka does pants right! It took me a while to get used to pants that didn't feel like iron. In the climbing world, I have become used to products that are light, fast, and durable. In the hunting world, they don't usually hit all 3 marks. Most of my field clothes are made of very sturdy material and the Timberline feels nothing like any of them. It has proven to wear like iron, fending off the Montana rocks and thorns pretty well. I chose the Timberline over the Mountain for the extra durability of the knees and seat so I wouldn't have to think about what I was doing. They fit extremely well, they work as good as they look, and they don't seem to care how badly you treat them. 3 and 1/2 stars because the knee pads occasionally get a little wonky and require some fixing. I test gear for Gore and this is something I bought with my own money. I might have to get some in a solid for ice climbing this winter. Yes, they are that good!
I bought these pants for winter hound hunting and LONG walks. They have performed well in wet/cold weather in N Idaho. The rubber lined belt line is nice to keep shirts tucked in and keep the pants where they belong on your hips. I like the built in belt and the snap too. Overall a great product.
I recently returned from a late season mule deer hunt where I had the pleasure of wearing a pair of timberline pants . I wish I would have bought them sooner and I can't wait to use them on a sheep hunt . They preformed almost flawlessly , the buttons on my pockets opened a few times going through sage brush . Other then that they were awesome . Thanks Sitka for helping me harvest a trophy mule deer .
Awesome gear~just got back from 9 day muzzleloader C.O. elk hunt and was really impressed with fit,durability, and loved staying dry moving through dew soaked terrain.
My wife and I both wore the timberline pants while on a week hunt for thar, chamois, and red stag in New Zealand. We camped and hiked during the hunt and live in our Sitka gear for a week. My wife spent a lot of time sliding down extreme steep slopes on her seat across, grass, brush and rocks and after washing the seat looks like new. The stretch in the fabric works great allowing unrestricted movement required for steep mountain hunts. Great, and well designed product.
These pants are the "Cats' Pyjamas", buy them... The waterproof knee and seat are awesome for kneeling or sitting on damp/wet ground or even just walking through dewy grass. If you're going to buy a pair of Sitka pants, I highly recommend that anyone consider these pants. I test products for GORE as a Hunting Tech and I was seriously impressed with the quality and thought that went into these suckers! Not to mention all the useful pockets!
I won't lie; I've had these pants for going on three seasons and have just now really started to put them to the test. I really have been missing the boat with not using the Timberline pant until now. They basically took my go-to pant, the Mountain Pant, and took things up a notch. The material is a bit more heavy duty than that of the Mountain Pant and the added waterproof fabric in the seat and knees is just what you need if hunting where the conditions can change rapidly. I hunt primarily in Northern Idaho, where during the month of September the conditions can vary from 90 degrees and dry, to all the way down to the low forties and threatening snow. The Timberline pant covers all of the bases and with the four-way stretch material and athletic cut; they have awesome range of motion. You will never feel hindered in this pant; whether moving through technical terrain, or just still-hunting through a Pine forest. Just like the rest of the soft-shell pants in the Sitka line; they are very durable and abrasion resistant. Busting brush all day is not a worry and with the DWR finish; you don't have to go through the discomfort of getting wet while dealing with light rain, or even walking miles in the morning dew. This is just a quick overview; these pants have several other features that you will find are spot-on money. I haven't wanted to take these pants off this entire Elk season and will continue to wear them well into the late season. These pants are a must have for the mountain hunter. I'm already scheming up ways to justify to my wife another pair... Luke Johnson GORE HuntingTech
The Timberline pants have now become my go-to pant! Being a GORE HuntingTech has allowed me to test a lot of different pants and I was thoroughly impressed with this piece of Gear on my Elk hunt this fall. Early mornings held a lot of dew in the tall grass and my legs stayed dry. Just pair the Timberlines up with the Sitka Flash Gaiters and a light hiking boot and you have a killer Elk setup. While kneeling in the muskeg, I had peace of mind, knowing that my knees would stay dry. A few evenings I ended up sitting on damp ground at a lick and the moisture never made it through the seat of my pants. These pants are super comfy for walking and active hunting. The built in belt is a nice touch and the suspenders being detachable was a bonus. I didn't use the suspenders, but it's nice to have the option in the future. I highly recommend these pants to anyone that wants a bombproof, comfortable, breathable and effective pant. I'm looking forward to trying these pants out in the Rocky Mountains for Bighorn sheep in the upcoming months... I'm positive that these pants will excel!
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CRKT Dragon as an everyday knife?
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> CRKT Dragon as an everyday knife?
December 5, 2012, 11:33 PM
Would that work, and how would it be? Is the knife worth buying or is it somehow flawed? I know basically nothing about knives, what should I know?
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December 5, 2012, 11:59 PM
A seller on Amazon has them for $27, shipping included.
They show a list price of $90, does that generally work like MSRP and guns or is it a more accurate general price for fairly new knives?
December 6, 2012, 12:06 AM
Discontinued knives sell for less than half the MSRP at the end.
The designers knew what they were doing and the design is sound in the context of what Bob Kasper wanted it to do.
The steel isn't the best, but it is a defensive tool and not a camp knife.
December 6, 2012, 07:55 AM
"Everyday" in the broad sense of a handy using knife, no. It's a 4 1/2 inch fixed blade. That means sheath carry, and most employers won't allow it on the premises.
As a knife itself, it doesn't conform to the style typically chosen. That would be a 3-4 inch, flat ground folder with a secure lock and pocket clip. The Dragon's extremely tapered tip would be fragile and difficult to control cutting open boxes. It's a difficult design to choke up on for fine cutting, and the swedge grind makes the actual cutting edge taper fairly steep. It is simply too big, too pointy, and carries with too much difficulty for office, retail or job use. "Everyday" isn't what it does.
In the field, the same characteristics are still a problem. It isn't the optimum choice for working with wood, dressing game, or preparing food. That again goes to a 3-4" flat ground blade.
A great many knives are made because they can sell them, it doesn't mean they have much application in daily life. Those are actually fewer and harder to find than it would seem - knives with exotic looks and combative capability tend to capture the imagination of buyers far more than practical ones.
December 6, 2012, 10:36 AM
I have one, and in many ways it's a great knife. Fits the hand well, functional design, hellacious slashing weapon. That's the thing, however, its designed as a weapon and is not really optimal for most everyday cutting tasks.
If you want a knife for everyday carry, to do the sort of common cutting tasks a knife can do, I'd be looking at something like the Spyderco Delica, Kershaw Leek, Benchmade Griptillian, or even a Victorinox Farmer or Cadet. If you really want a fixed blade, you might also look at the ESEE Izula or Becker Necker. Any of these would make much better "EDC" knifes than the Dragon. :cool:
December 6, 2012, 11:47 AM
As the others have pointed out, the question is: What do you want to do with the knife?
If you want a relatively long fixed blade for self-defense, you can't go wrong with the Dragon. It's one of the best self-defense knives you can get for this price.
If you want an EDC utility knife, get something else.
Another question you should ask yourself before buying this (or any) knife is how you want to carry it.
It's too big to carry in your pockets unless you modifiy them. You could carry the knife in a MercHarness, with a belt loop (inside waistband) or as a neck knife, but these carrying methods all have certain downsides, and may not be comfortable for you.
It's better to have a little LaGriffe or a waved Delica in your pocket than a CRKT Dragon at home in your drawer.
December 6, 2012, 12:31 PM
It'll probably be a pretty light use knife, the occasional cardboard and probably some paper trimming uses.
Found it while looking to replace my old M16, so I'll have a reasonable folder I can wear. But I'll be outside and in town this winter for work, I was thinking about carrying it IWB, seems like the best bet for a knife like this.
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December 6, 2012, 07:34 PM
I've never had a Wharncliffe blade, but always thought they were spoken about very useful. This is just a large Wharncliffe, why wouldn't it be used more than just for self defense?
Steel is lower quality, but really for the price what do you expect? I wish CRKT would make more domestic offerings.
December 6, 2012, 08:56 PM
It'll probably be a pretty light use knife, the occasional cardboard and probably some paper trimming uses.
Found it while looking to replace my old M16, so I'll have a reasonable folder I can wear. But I'll be outside and in town this winter for work, I was thinking about carrying it IWB, seems like the best bet for a knife like this.
If self-defense is important to you, and if you're not going to use it for anything else than cutting some cardboard and paper, get the knife. You can't really go wrong at that price :)
December 7, 2012, 06:37 PM
I've never had a Wharncliffe blade, but always thought they were spoken about very useful.
They are.
December 13, 2012, 08:38 AM
I've never had a Wharncliffe blade, but always thought they were spoken about very useful. This is just a large Wharncliffe, why wouldn't it be used more than just for self defense?
Part of that is because it is so large. I've got a couple of Wharncliffe folders with blades around 2-3 inches long that work just great for EDC tasked. The Dragon being so much longer becomes somewhat less handy and for me at least the edge geometry does not work as well as a smaller knife. The point of the Dragon is also some what delicate which could result in bending or breaking it in rough use.
I'm not saying it won't do EDC tasks. Its just that other knives would do them much easier and better.
December 15, 2012, 01:09 AM
I'm a ham-handed shudderfest with a pair of scissors, so one of the things that drew me to this CRKT, aside from the apparent price drop, is the longer, straight, plain-edged blade that will allow me to use well over half the width of the paper as my guide if I do need to make a cut myself.
Oh I do photo work, so the cuts should be pretty. The knife also appeared to be flat and come with a nice, trim, good-quality kydex sheath. Just like with guns, having the right shaped knife makes a difference in carrying, but having a good carry setup is the single most crucial aspect of carry.
For this knife, with the belt I have, and the clothes I wear when outdoors, this might as well be a folder clipped to my pocket, it would actually be less comfortable than the Dragon.
I see the comment about the point being maybe more delicate than necessary and certainly more delicate than your average 4.5" fixed blade. It's definitely no Glock field knife, that's for sure. I think the knife will hold up very well to the kind of use I'll be subjecting it to.
December 17, 2012, 02:24 PM
I had not seen the Dragon previously, but Sam and I collaborated on the Shivver ( http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=676446), which has a similar blade shape. It's really a dedicated defensive knife, and some of the things that "optimize" it for being used a certain way- delicate piercing point, long straight razor-like edge- also mean it won't work as well for daily use.
January 17, 2013, 04:11 PM
The Shivver looks great John! I meant to comment on those very small, almost chisel-like knives you and I believe it was Sam1911 were experimenting with, they look like they would be awesome little retention or general small cutting knives, I'm really starting to be drawn to the idea of having a small fixed blade in the place of the more common mid-sized folder, it's cold up here and I work outdoors, so fumbling around with a folding knife to me is pretty unappealing, and ever since a liner lock closed on me I haven't really trusted folders in general.
January 18, 2013, 08:46 PM
I showed the Daily Kiris to Sal and Eric Glesser. Unfortunately, I got food poisoning last night, and didn't get out of bed until late this afternoon...so I didn't get a chance to talk to the Glessers about them. :(
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"It's been so inspiring, it really has - it was such an insane tragedy," said Alix Laub, 24, who lived at the home in the Talmont area of Tahoe City with her three roommates. "I was born and raised in Tahoe, and it's really an amazing community here ... the response and help, the little things we've gotten has been amazing."
On Tuesday, Todd Stroup, a fire prevention technician with the North Tahoe Fire Protection District, said an investigation concluded that the Sunday, Jan. 13, early morning fire at 491 Club Drive was caused after an ember escaped the home's fireplace and "ignited combustible materials nearby."
"It's truly one of those situations that was completely accidental. Embers escape fireplaces, it happens," Stroup said. "It's tragic, and we never want to see any loss of life or anyone put onto the streets."
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One of the occupants suffered minor injuries and was transported to Tahoe Forest Hospital, where he was later released. Laub was not in the home at the time of the fire.
Volunteers also responded to the scene at about 3:30 a.m. on Jan. 13, said Kathleen Weis, Chief Operating Officer at American Red Cross Capital Region Chapter, helping the residents with temporary lodging and supplying them with food, coats and shoes.
"They lost everything ... so we continue to do work with them to help replace some of their items," said Weis, referring to typical Red Cross protocol of assisting with near-immediate replacement of needed items such as medication and contact lenses.
Laub moved to the home in May, joining her three roommates, all men in their lower-30s, who had been living there about a year, and the quartet quickly became friends.
Since the blaze, one of the roommates has temporarily relocated to Sacramento. Meanwhile, Laub, who graduated from Whittell High School in Zephyr Cove and earned her college degree at the University of Nevada, Reno, has been staying for free at a hotel on Tahoe's South Shore, a two-week gift from the hotel's operator, whom she knows. The other roommates are making do by living at a hotel on the South Shore, she said.
While the quartet is alive and working to rebuild, the bodies of the home's three dogs - Stella, a Siberian husky, and Callie and Cassidy, two German vizslas - have not been found.
Alix's mother, Traci Laub, said there's hope that Stella, who was an "escape artist," may be alive somewhere.
Still, reality of the situation hasn't been easy to swallow.
"After the fact ... you can't get the pictures back. I can't even think about getting another dog," Alix said. "I guess I'd tell everyone to hug your dogs closer, hold them a just a little bit closer."
Another thing people can do is lend a hand - like the crew at The Fat Cat Cafe in Tahoe City. Upon learning of the incident and helping some of the victims the morning of the fire with food and drink, a donation jar was set up.
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Details also are being worked out for Fat Cat to host a large-scale fundraiser at a later date, Rogers said.
It's this kind of community support that has Alix and her mother optimistic during the rebuilding phase.
"Recovery for the young four residents of the home will be a very long emotional and financial road," Traci Laub said. "But with the close knit community here in Tahoe all the way around the lake, the love and light is already shining and making this more bearable."
Added Alix: "When all you have is the clothes on your back, no shoes, anything, even a couple bucks here and there really means a lot."


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Veterans Day events will be marked this weekend by a series of observances sponsored by the Canisius College Office of Veterans Services and Army ROTC.
Lt. Col. Gerald "Andy" Boston, of the Army War College, will give a talk titled "A Time to Serve, a Time to Lead" at 9 a.m. Saturday in Room 311, Lyons Hall.
Monday, college President John J. Hurley will offer remarks at a Veterans Day observance at noon at the college's Greatest Generation Memorial.
The names of all service members who died in Iraq and Afghanistan then will be read. The roll call is expected to last several hours.
As part of the roll call, Canisius will observe a minute of silence at 2 p.m. to honor the fallen.
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I like this Israeli pair.
Tango Assasins by Mr. & Mrs. Smith, and they do resemble Angelina & Brad a tad bit.
My favorite part was their pair spin....fast, centered, perfect....but they only did a 2twist and I think only 2salchows? But their throw 3R jump was superb!
Nice to see Kyoko Ina coaching. the 90s skaters all seem to be contributing.
The French pair is doing very well.
Good job by the French.
Whoa, this French Pair is fast & superb!
Biggest throw jump thus far by far. They do everything with plenty of amplitude!!!!
Will be interesting to see their score....
Dube/Wolfe doing great. Wonder if they will be first. I don't remember the American's program, just that they were good.
Dube/Wolfe were ok. A tad clunky in places. I'd have them 2nd.
Nice job by the Candian pair, but they did have a slight minor crash upon the landing of their 3twist (thought Jessica was going to fall, nice save). Also she landed their throw3jump on two feet. But their sbs 3jump was great.
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Hardware SummaryThe AV1xx models are a rather interesting line of Archos players. Roughly resembling the Jukebox Recorder v2 players externally, the hardware under the hood is completely different. One of their big draws was their ability to play DivX, XviD, and AVI video files. The main components of the system are as follows:
ArchOpenThe AV1XX series is very well supported by the ArchOpen project. This can provide a lot of source code to get a Rockbox port started. The aoEmulator (available at the project site), although a hardware emulator for the AV3XX devices, should be able to emulate the AV1XX as well. Here are some links of interest to the ArchOpen wiki:
Other Links of Interest:Here's a page describing how to disassemble the AV1XX:
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Some people hate Mondays, and now perhaps at least one horse in Barbour County does too.
The horse, named Rowdy, fell into a sticky situation Monday when he found himself stuck in a large tire on a farm in Belington. The tire apparently holds water for the livestock, and when some local residents found Rowdy stuck, they were afraid he was going to drown.
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Tonya Long, one of Rowdy's owners who was on the scene, believes that Rowdy got trapped after an altercation with some of the other horses.
Several people came to his rescue, including members of the Belington City Police and the Belington Volunteer Fire Department.
It took time to free Rowdy, but after some rest and a check-up with a veterinarian, he was said to be doing well.
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Area Boy?Scouts should stand for equality
May 1, 2013
Next month, the Boy Scouts of America will consider a proposal to end its policy of discrimination against gay Scouts....
"In the land of freedom, we are held hostage by the tyranny of political correctness."
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Sexuality has no place in the Boy Scouts of America. It does not belong in this type of organization. Why is it being forced upon this group? To what purpose? Such a stupid issue.
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"The left needs to learn that not everyone desires to share your different values with regards to childrens 5exual identity."
Remind me again what former VP Cheney (R) had said about homosexuality.
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I don't think anyone was suggesting that not discriminating against gay boy scouts and leaders should entail some sort of merit badge for homosexuality. Non-discrimination would be just fine.
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Sorry Ms. York, but homosexuality and sexual orientation have no place in the Boys Scouts.
The group isn't designed to be a "meeting spot" for future relationships! And, what about the 9- and 10- year old boys who don't feel comfortable sharing a tent with a potential "driven" 16- or 17- year old boy acting as a scout leader or fellow clubber?
Sorry, but let this private group decide their own standards and focus on wilderness preparation and life skills--apart from sexual orientation. They get enough of that in public schools already.
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"denial of your opinion"
I deny your opinion almost every time I read it Minor, but that isn't a discriminatory practice; its called "logic".
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People love their hate, and cuddle up with their prejudice for comfort at night. If the Boy Scouts want to become a relic of the past, like the Republican Party, then so be it. They are easily replaced.
It would be better, though, if they got in step with the march of history and dumped the hate and prejudice.
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Well...the Boys Scouts are a "private" orginization who you may "choose" to join. That means they may also "choose" to let in or exclude anyone they choose.
Get over it and stop trying to push your beliefs onto everyone else.
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"If you see a need for gay scout troops, then go start up your own" seems reasonable to me. Liberal amorality creeps into our culture in subtle degrees. First it's "We're not trying to force our values on you, we just want you to tolerate our lack of values" and then before you know it, it will be "If you don't like having open homosexuality in your Boy Scout troop, then don't join it." We saw that with the degraded content on TV. Once upon a time all shows abided by decency standards. Now, it's "If you don't want to see or hear the vulgarity, then don't turn on your TV." Seems like it's always the pro-decency people who have to compromise.
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