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Skip to comments.Final polls show Gingrich surging in Tennessee
Posted on 03/05/2012 8:11:41 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
NASHVILLE, Tenn. --
Newt Gingrich has closed the gap in Tennessee and is poised to overtake those presumed to be the victors in the delegate rich state just days ago.
Real Clear Politics' tracking of the polling done across the weekend shows the We Ask America numbers putting the state in a statistical dead heat with Romney at 30%, Gingrich at 29% and Santorum at 29%. The margin of error is 3%. Likewise, PPP polling has Santorum at 34%, Romney at 29% and Gingrich at 27%
The significance is these polls were taken on March 3rd and 4th. Earlier polling, widely reported across the nation, from Vanderbilt University and Middle Tennessee State University just days earlier showed a different picture. MTSU's polling, released February 29 showed Santorum at 40%, Romney at 29% and Gingrich at 13%. Vanderbilt's data from polling done February 16-22 showed Santorum at 33%, Romney at 17% and Gingrich at 13%. Clearly, the largest surge is for Speaker Gingrich.
Andrew Ogles, Tennessee Victory Chair for Gingrich 2012 noted, "I was excited to see the results but not surprised. These numbers show what we've always known; support for Newt is deep and strong in Tennessee. When other campaigns dropped everything to rush surrogates and candidates to Tennessee at the last minute, I knew they were learning the same thing."
Reached by phone, Rep. Tony Shipley (R-Kingsport), Chair of the Newt 2012 campaign in Tennessee and traveling today with Gingrich in East Tennessee, responded, "This is not a real surprise to anyone who has been watching the campaigns here in Tennessee. Newt has strong support among Conservatives, Republicans and voters who realize the nation is headed in the wrong direction. Newt's concern for all Americans is seen in his attention to issues like gas prices and other every day concerns. Tennesseans know Newt supports them and they support him back."
A Social Conservative is not necessary to win the general election. However a Social Conservative MAY be necessary to win the nomination. It's apparent there's a very large proportion of SoCons have picked Santorum and they are going to ride that horse until it drops.
They will not vote for Gingrich or any other candidate. For them, Santorum or nothing.
Actually many of us are simply OPPOSED to Santorum as the nominee. Philosophically opposed.
Just as many SoCons are philosophically opposed to Gingrich. They intend to ensure that no man as sleazy as Gingrich showed himself to be (whether past or current) ever wins the GOP nomination.
I'm a resident of Mississippi, formerly a resident of Tennessee, I have voted for Lamar Alexander for Governor, had I remained I would have voted for both Alexander and Haslan at least in the general election, they have both made some decisions I haven't agreed with and their Romney endorsements were certainly one. I make my own decisions as to who to vote for and support. There are many politicians here in Mississippi who have endorsed Romney, that neither means I will follow their lead or hold there endorsement against them. I've found from long experience that because someone has run for an office and got elected with or without my support doesen't automatically make them have better judgement or be smarter or more knowledgeable than me in these matters, sometimes though it does tell me I may have made a mistake in the primary election.
Are you sure you're old enough to vote? Debating with you is like arguing with a pre-schooler. What's next, are you going to accuse Newt supporters of having cooties?
They, like MANY Gingrich supporters are driven by emotion rather than reason. We all wrap our emotions in the cloak of reason and can rationalize just about any position politically.
Don't be too hard on them, one day it might be our turn again:)
Newt is surging at the right moment. Can't wait to go vote for Newt tomorrow.
Rick Santorum needs to go on the offense by releasing a statement:
Newt and his supporters are "stealth Romney supporters that hate America (especially the children!)".
That should bolster his struggling campaign.
So how do you know which ones you should vote for?
I have no idea how they are identified. Maybe a Volunteer can give us some insight.
My wife and I are pulling the lever for Newt tomorrow.
Eh. I'm hard pressed to remember any Santorum posting anything positive about him at all. All his support seems based on attacks on other candidates. It's one thing to have less negatives than the other candidates, but you've got to have some positives too. Otherwise you're just dead air. Maybe Santorum has some, but you certainly don't hear it from his supporters on this forum, other than that he has a "moral family life." Which is a good thing but in golf, a moral family life doesn't make you as good a golf player as Tiger Woods. In computers, it doesn't make you as successful as Steve Jobs. And there's no evidence that it makes you a good president. Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama had a good moral family life too after all.
Come on Rocky Top!
"Don't be too hard on them, one day it might be our turn again:)"
It may be, but I can guarantee if that day comes I'll be too busy advocating for my candidate to question their motives or character.
I know that on the Ron Paul forums they were talking about trying to get their people on the delegate ballot in Pennsylvania. So I really want to make sure I vote for the right ones when Pennsylvania comes up. I might go on the Ron Paul forums, ask them which ones I should vote for, and then vote for the other ones.
It's likely the early voters, of which one story claims were fewer than in the past,.......
TN Elections Division shows something over 201,000 total votes with 158,000 early/absentee votes this cycle for the GOP primary. In the 2008 primary it was around 330,000 votes total but not shown by party.
hoping for a large "undervote" which frees our delagates at the convention to vote for whomever they wish. Vote for none of the above!
"A Social Conservative is not necessary to win the general election. However a Social Conservative MAY be necessary to win the nomination. It's apparent there's a very large proportion of SoCons have picked Santorum and they are going to ride that horse until it drops.
They will not vote for Gingrich or any other candidate. For them, Santorum or nothing."
What they don't realize is that Newt's voting record on the "Social Connservative" issue's is at LEAST as good as Santorum's, and that's as close to Newt as Santorum gets.
What is wrong with saying that gas was 1.86 dollars a gallon and Newt wants to bring it down to 2.50 a gallon. I would rather it go lower. Newt gave it a try and failed.
Well, will $10 per gallon gas impress you?
Won't impress me but if we have to live with 10 dollars a gallon and guarantee that Santorum will work hard to get rid of abortion. I will take it. My top issue is not gas prices. In fact, gas prices are not even in the top 10. Morals, ethics, principles, Family values, national debt, abortion, gay marriage are all way more important to me than gas prices. Go Santorum!
Go Newt!
If Newt leaves, I won't even bother voting in the primary.
13% is a surge?
On what planet?
Rasmussen Poll: Santorum Leads Romney 34%-30% in Tennessee
RCP and PPP:
-In Tennessee Santorum's saving grace may end up being early voters.
25% of the electorate has already voted and with those folks he's at 39% to 32% for Romney and
23% for Gingrich.
Also working to Santorum's considerable advantage in Tennessee is that we find an electorate that is 66% Evangelicals, and they support Santorum 39-27
over Gingrich with Romney at 25%.
The late momentum is on Romney's side. He's up
38-34 on Santorum with those who've decided in the last few days or the last week.
(No mention of Newt)
Keep it real, people!
Starting to think those handfull on every site are Mittbots on a masquerade as pro Santorum.
For instance Newt 2.50 gas absolutely NOT possible there was no way he could pull it off. But Today Woah 2.50 is not good enough.
If you dont want to Waste your Vote in TN vote Newt.
VOTE Newt Anything else is Un-American
"Morals, ethics, principles, Family values" for Santorum
Your kidding right Santroum has just as bad of baggage as Newt to being a Social Conservative. In my books its far worse. Newt has stated he has fallen short in the eyes of God. We all have Except where is Santorum. Santorum do as I say not as I have done.
Yea you heard that right.
Quit Spamming Santorum Holier than thou BS and go look it up.
Your votes for Paul are wasted. You would do better to vote Santorum. At least he has a good chance of winning over Mittens.
It doesn't matter what you or I say. Gingrich will win one state tomorrow and Snatorum will win at least 3 if not more. That is the result that I care about.
Santorum is not on the primary ballot in VA tomorrow and we cannot write anybody in. We have TWO choices - Romney or Paul. The protest vote is for Paul.
Only Paul and Mittare on the VA ballot.there are a few posters here who are not aware of the Va shenanigans.
mittare = mittens
Then quite Trashing Newt is all I ask. Newt Supports have pulled our punches on Santorum while a few of you go on an on about Newt failures.
Promote Santorum and we will promote Newt.
If you think Santorum wins 3 tomorrow good. I would like for Santorum & Newt to come in 1st and 2nd in all four. GA, TN, OK, OH.
GO VOTE SANTORUM ..... He has morals, family values ....
LOL. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic. Who has the fiddle?
Santorum contributed far more to the debt than either Newt, Romney or Paul. Newt actually balanced budgets as Speaker. Gas prices contribute to the debt by making everything we buy more expensive, raising the government's costs and pushing more people onto welfare. Newt is just as pro-life as Santorum, passing partial-birth abortion bans even though Clinton vetoed them. Newt has developed a bold plan to reign in the activist judges who keep attacking religious values in this country. Santorum has come up with nothing that addresses the issue or would change the status quo at all. And both signed pledges to sign a constitutional amendment defining marriage as male-female. Newt is a strong, rock-solid social conservative. Whatever happened between him and his wife decades ago is laughably insignificant and irrelevant to the current crises our nation faces. Newt raised two wonderful daughters who became great citizens and who wholeheartedly support him in his campaign. Even Reagan couldn't pull that off with his kids.
To me the ultimate family value is to put a roof over your family's head, and food in their bellies.
You think ethics and morality are lacking now? Wait until the economy tanks. Then you'll see real immorality.
Newt actually balanced budgets as Speaker.
Yes they did that by taking money from the Social Security trust fund. I don't think that is particularly a great thing.
I know you are, but what am I? How old are you?
Interesting...I am a native of Mississippi and now a resident of Tennessee. Governor and now Senator Alexander has been a big disappointment for me in the manner which he and Senator Corker have helped Dear Leader further his despicable agenda. Governor Haslam's endorsement of Governor Romney was a surprise to me....just cannot stand that man...have a great evening!
I early voted in Tennessee. The ballot is one more confusing mess. I just voted for every Gingrich delegate I could find, then on toward the last there was a place to vote for Gingrich directly. Later, on this site, I saw how they parceled out the delegates and hopefully they have a computer handy...what a total mess.
Yep sounds confusing. Did they have delegates for all the other candidates listed also or did some not have named delegates? It would be easier to just pull one lever, make a mark for the candidate let that be for all his delegates.
I believe there were delegates named for Governor Romney, but I wasn't really searching for those. I don't think there were any for Senator Santorum. Senator Santorum's name was on the last page and he could be voted for, but it looked like that was the only place. Ballot was several pages long and you are correct, confusing.
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Split Andhra Pradesh, and its special status goes: AG to government
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Attorney General G E Vahanvati is learnt to have told the Group of Ministers (GoM) on Telangana that once a new state is carved out of Andhra Pradesh, the special status enjoyed by united Andhra Pradesh under Article 371-D of the constitution would not be applicable to the remaining part of the state.
Andhra parties want Telangana creation stalled until 2014 polls
In other words, AG Vahanvati has told the GoM that for Telangana to be created, Parliament would have to pass a constitutional amendment, and that the two new states would lose the special status provided under this article.
Under Article 4, any law that provides for bifurcation of a state is not deemed to be an amendment to the constitution even if it amends certain provisions of the constitution. However, in the case of Andhra Pradesh, due to Article 371-D, the situation is different.
The Telangana blunder
Sources told The Indian Express that the GoM, mindful of the problems the government could run in to if the AG's opinion were to be accepted in toto, is likely to seek some clarifications or even a fresh, more detailed opinion from the top law officer.
Split Andhra, and its special status goes: AG to govt
Article 371-D, which was inserted through the 32nd Amendment in 1973, empowers the President to issue orders from time to time providing for equitable opportunities for people belonging to different parts of the state. This provision, which has overriding effect on other articles of the constitution, was brought in following agreement on a six-point formula between leaders of the state on September 21, 1973. This formula was aimed at a uniform approach for "accelerated development of the backward areas" of Andhra Pradesh, and to provide "equitable opportunities" to different areas of the state in the matter of education and employment in public services.
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A Yahoo! User Dec 16, 2008 18:47 Flag
levy has to spend big or...
what does danny boy want....a middle of the table team or a top four challenger....harry kn ows his onions and tells it as it is....if he said we aren't good enough and need quality players ....that is what it needs....imagine a £400m super stadium with a team of no potential....to fill a big stadium you need success to big enough crowds to fill it....levy is supposed to be astute....maybe in finanancial matters.....but not in common sense!!
success brings weath,fame and glory mr levy!Sort: Newest | Oldest | Most Replied Expand all replies
A Yahoo! User Dec 16, 2008 19:02 Flag
Lets not be too hasty here.......this season is a write off in terms of top 6 finish (we'll be very lucky to scrape into Europe via a cup). Even if Harry had 100 million to spend we would still end up mid table so why blow any funds we have scrambling around for mediocre players at inflated prices in the Jan window?
Im sure Levy will free up some proper money in the summer when Harry will have a better idea of who we want (and who we can realistically get)
Of course we need to spend some dosh and rebuild the team in certain areas but lets not treat the Jan transfer window like the make or break of our season. Levy managed to get us very close to the top 4 twice.....Im hopefull he'll do it again but we need to dismantle and start almost from scratch..something that takes time.
We are 3 points off relegation and this season (much to my annoyance) is simply about surviving and preparing for a proper go next year in the PL.
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i think this has been blown out of proportion, our 'arry has said we need other players, we all know that as well, so not really controversy there then, levy has said there's not a lot of money to spend in january, imo, he's trying to be astute here as well, we all know how the press put us in the frame for every tom dick and harry, and it puts prices up accordingly, so what levy is trying to do is play down the situation.
i believe that levy will back 'arry in any transfer requests that he makes, also i can see some players leave in january in order to balance things up a little, so instread of hitting the doom switch, why not just wait and see what happens.
once again, the press are trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill, and judging from things, succeeding! ;-)
A Yahoo! User Dec 19, 2008 07:28 Flag
i am sorry alfie.....santa DOES exist...that was a typo
....many many apologies!!
Evil Bread Man Evil Bread Man Dec 18, 2008 18:34 Flag
Are you saying that Santa doesn't exist? You b**tard. Youve spoilt it for me now.
The winning the league bit was a bit unbelievable though ;)


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Skip to comments.Ask Foghorn: Is .22lr The Best for Self Defense?
Posted on 06/04/2012 3:38:53 PM PDT by marktwain
Wade writes:
Foghorn, my Dad is planning on getting his CCW license, and is already thinking about the handgun to use. But he says that he is going to get a .22lr or something similar, saying that accuracy is more important than force. He has hunted his entire life, and is an extremely good shot with both rifle and pistol, but I think he is too cocky when he says all you need to do is shoot someone in the head and the partys over. How can I convince him that he may not be able to hit what hes aiming at in a high-stress situation, and that he needs to look into a more versatile caliber?
Ive got some bad news your Dad isnt completely wrong. And, because I have nothing better to do today, were going to open up that whole can of worms . . .
Your dad is completely correct in that a properly placed .22lr round will take a man down for good. Despite the relative thickness of the human skull a typical .22lr round does have enough power to successfully penetrate and cause sufficient damage to kill a human from close range. And on the more fleshy bits of a human it is perfectly capable of inflicting some damage.
The issue we run into with the .22lr round, and one that you seem to have correctly identified, is that when you dont hit a particularly useful organ it doesnt do much immediate damage. The best example I can think of in this case is the wild hogs of Texas and the gulf coast, which have a nasty tendency to survive and escape if theyre not hit with a large enough caliber or in the right spot. Humans posess a similar ability to survive extreme punishment and damage without actually dying.
We could sit here all day long until were blue in the fingers discussing the relative merits of the different calibers, but the best solution is always the same: cold, hard data.
About a year ago Greg Ellifritz over at Buckeye Firearms concluded a pretty darn impressive analysis of gunfight data recorded over a 10 year period, the total count of incidents included in his analysis topping 1,800. It doesnt give us a statistically significant look at murders in the United States, but the data is sufficiently large and normal to give us the ability to use his results to compare the effectiveness of different calibers.
Admittedly 9mm does take up a disproportionate percentage of the observations and .32 data is a little skimpy, but its good enough for our purposes. So, using his data, lets take a look at how well the lowly .22 round does compared to other handgun calibers (and shotguns, just for comparison sake).
First things first, lets see what percentage of observed gunfights ended in a fatality for the person on the receiving end.
The graph is pretty clear on this: .22 caliber firearms are just as deadly in a gunfight as any other handgun caliber. In fact, it beat the average (far right). Surprisingly, every caliber that begins with a 4 (.40 S&W, .45, .44 Mag ) performed worse than the .22 caliber firearms in terms of putting the opponent in the dirt for good.
The next thing I thought was interesting was the metric about how many rounds it took to incapacitate the opponent.
In case you were wondering, the smaller the bar in this example the better the round performed. And, in terms of performance in putting the opponent down, only a shotgun beats the .22 round. I get the feeling that in reality you can chop a round off the 9mms numbers, as the double tap has been trained into almost every shooter these days and probably means the numbers are artificially high.
Greg also includes something about a one shot stop percentage, but I dont agree with his methodology on it and is not presented here. Go read up on it at the original site if youre interested.
Theres a small fly in the ointment: the percentage of incidents where the opponent was not incapacitated.
Another chart where large bars are bad, and here the mouseguns arent doing so hot compared to the big boys. However, I get the feeling that this chart is somewhat deceptive with its results. Newer shooters have a tendency to get the smaller guns with smaller calibers, and also have a tendency to not be as well trained as those carrying the larger rounds. So, instead of this chart being an argument against the lowly .22 round I see it as an argument against poor training. As we saw with the last chart, IF you can hit the guy theres a great chance hes going down. But the issue is hitting him, and incorporating some of the accuracy results from the original study seems to back up my suspicions.
So, in short, whats the answer? Is a .22 a good self defense round? According to the numbers, it looks to be among the best in terms of stopping the threat. Add in the fact that its lightweight, low recoil and uses firearms that are ridiculously easy to conceal and you can see where a .22 caliber firearm for concealed carry might be a winner.
So, in the immortal words of HAL, Im sorry Wade, I cant do that. According to the best numbers I could find, I cant come up with a valid reason to convince your Dad to move to a higher caliber. Not only is it an effective round, but its size and weight means that your Dad is more likely to actually carry the gun instead of leaving it at home because it was too inconvenient to bring along. And, as we all know, its often the mere presence of a firearm that can save ones life.
Does that mean Ill be swapping out my Wilson Combat 45ACP 1911 for a Derringer? Hell no. But it doesnt stop me from looking at some of those mouseguns for the hot Texas summer
I'd rather have a .22 than no gun, but given the choice, my carry gun would start with a 4.
I guess the low recoil and the ability to unload 3/4 rounds in quick succession makes it work.
I'd like to see the ratio of hits vs. misses to draw a final conclusion.
My thought has always been, if the caliber prevents the perp from getting off even one more shot than he would have with a lesser caliber, then I, my family members, my friends, my associates, or my fellow community members will have to dodge one less projectile to survive.
That's my bottom line.
Mrs. Slim is recoil adverse, and dislikes heavy guns. I got her a S&W 351PD. Seven shot .22 Magnum that is 12 ounces loaded. 45 grain Hornady Critical Defense ammo exits the barrel at over 1000 FPS, and penetrates 9-11 inches in ballistic gelatin with good weight retention.
It's a gun she will carry and can handle.
FYI: Bill Jordan in "No Second Place Winner" opined that a J-frame 2 inch Airweight .22 Magnum would be a great backup gun in 1965.
The 9mm Sig P6, loaded with 147gr hollow points is of course the very best weapon anyone could possibly carry.
OK, I just wanted to get that in before my .45ACP friends arrived.
Most people don't like getting shot. The ones who are crazy or drugged enough to not care, will also need a lot of putting down.
One rule: although bigger is better, a .22 in the hand beats a .45 left home in the gun safe.
When you do manage to shoot them (without getting shot first) it's all physics. Variables like how close you are to a vital organ, how fast the bullet is travelling, how big/heavy the round is all come into play. Also how big the attacker is, how much clothing he's wearing etc.
Of course there are very specific scenarios where a .22 could be considered (close range quiet kills etc.), but anyone who advocates a .22 as a general purpose self defense round is nothing less than an abject moron.
The killing percentage is meaningless. Incapacitation is what you are looking for in a SD round.
I found this stat the most interesting in that it is a metric of the most important factor in self defence: the percentage of incidents where the opponent was not incapacitated. In that regard, .357 mag is king (but we all knew that, didn't we?)
The results need to be weighted by the shooting distance. I doubt that the shooting distance data are available. A novice shooter with a .22 pistol at point blank range is going to be more effective at getting a kill than shooting the same gun at 15 feet. It would also be useful to know the point of entry of the bullet because this will also influence the kill statistic.
A 22LR will not even phase a drugged up intruder. My vote is for 357 Magnum or larger.
You ought to get the mrs. a set of Crimson Trace grips for that AirLite. Put the dot on the bad guy.
A scoped rifle chambered in .22 lr is an excellent choice for hunting small game like birds and rodents, and the ammo is dirt cheap. That said, .22 lr was never intended as a defensive round. That's like asking if tennis rackets make good snowshoes.
I can't put my hands on the reference source but I did read once of a favorable comparison between .22 magnum and 9mm, barrel length and all else being equal
Interesting topic. Thanks.
Correct the dumbest recognize that sound, however the smarter of those will hear it and know where you are. If they are also armed it may not end as planned.
22LR is actually not too shabby out of a rifle. out of a palm sized handgun it is kinda lame.
Since most of her "risky time" is hiking in the wilderness, the Hi-Viz is probably better.
I am not a fan of laser grips for several reasons. The biggest one is a tendency to "chase the dot" because it moves a fair bit, and I've seen many people at the range, try to snap off a shot as it swings across the target.
If it's dark, I have a 500 lumen strobing light and a 16 gauge Winchester M12 full of #1 buck.
I prefer to carry my 3 inch .45 ACP, but it is not alway practical, so then I carry a Ruger LCP .380 loaded with Corbon ammo that is about 200 fps faster than normal .380 ammo. It fits nicely in my pocket.
Of course shot placement is important, but I don't believe that one will have the opportunity in every self defense situation to make a head shot. Like for instance the perp has you on the ground beating you head on the concrete and you are struggling for the gun. I want something that is going to do more damage than a .22.
I'm sure a comparison could be made, but it's probably pretty tortured.
The new high performance 9mm bullets have a good record compared to the old ball ammo.
And frontal area of the bullet makes a difference too, that's my my preferred revolver round is a .44 Special SWC.
Bad guys don't stand around at close range waiting to be shot. They flail, hide behind things and often shoot back with large caliber rounds.
The most popular caliber carried by criminals is .380 auto. In really poor neighborhoods they prefer even smaller.
Good to have a gun. And be quick on the draw.
"The most popular caliber carried by criminals is .380 auto."
I really doubt that. That caliber was nearly impossible to buy the last two years. I had to get on waiting lists just to get a box of 20.
Then don't give them any time to react to the sound. BOOM, game over!
Good to know. I've been thinking about getting some for my Taurus 85. I thought I was a good shot until I started using that snubbie. I found that instead to focusing and concentrating hard on sighting in the target, I do better if I just casually squeeze the trigger when I see the target is lined up in the sight. It's hard to explain, but it's different shooting it than shooting a Colt Python or a rifle or something. You have to stay really relaxed if you want to shoot a tight group.
I have a serious problem with this article.
The typical death caused by a .22LR is via sepsis 3 days later. it makes a tiny hole that doesn't bleed much. The person shot typically does not feel any pain. They go home and decide to ignore it rather than face questions when they get to the hospital. 3 days later their health goes downhill fast and they rush to the ER and die.
These deaths do not count, imo. THerefore I think the analysis in this article is of no value.
I wouldn't mind having a .22 magnum revolver.
I will second the .22 for some good reasons. To start with, a 10 round magazine and a high number of RPM out of the barrel with good accuracy. Negligible barrel jump.
With higher calibers, the tendency is, for novices, one shot and look; for more skilled users, "two and done". With a .22, you are under far less illusions about how effective your rounds *might* me, so you draw a capital letter "U" on their torso before you even consider pausing.
The second is a big secret of the .22 round. It has the damndest ability to just nick internal organs, which means that even if they get away and get to a hospital, they will seem to be doing okay, then out of the blue get a sky high fever and peritonitis, a severe and deadly abdominal infection that will likely take them out.
No other common round will typically do that. If they make it to the hospital, unless they lost an organ, they will often survive. But .22's give you a "second chance" to take out the baddy.
This is not to say that a .22 is the end all, be all, because it certainly isn't. But backed up with a short serrated or tanto knife, if they close the gap too quickly, and you are looking at pretty much a honey badger defense from 0 to 50 feet.
Doubt all you want. I read it in a study done by people who conducted a survey in federal and state prisons.
380 was the most popular
they don't practice. ever.
they don't care about stopping power
Most criminals are killed/wounded by other criminals, not by cops or CCW citizens.
These were the main points I remember.
And 20 years earlier, Julian Hatcher thought that the Colt "Banker's Special" in .22LR would qualify as a self-defense piece. In the Iowa of my childhood, a lot of people did keep a .22 or .32 revolver around "just in case," and some of them were not strangers to more strident handguns.
Mr. niteowl77
When the Israelis were implicated in an assassination scandal that targeted PLO leaders hiding in Europe and ended up with an innocent man getting killed the weapons they used were .22's and they aimed for multiple shots to the abdomen. I don't know if it was because they were hoping the leader died an agonizing death or it was considered the best target to aim for. In either case they obviously weren't worried that the .22 wasn't going to be powerful enough for the job.
If you want to get smooth with a DA revolver, use an old trick of exhibition shooter Ed McGivern from the 1930's (he shot 5 shots from a .38 Smith in 9/20th's of a second into a playing card sized group). Put a dot of paint on a full length mirror, and put the muzzle on it. Dry fire repeatedly, trying to keep the muzzle on the dot. You can see what your trigger pull is doing to the aim. Get smoother and quicker over time. That trains the muscles.
Taurus Ultralite .38SP +P
Blackhawk Pocket Holster
Another reason that a .22 is so destructive is the fact that it tumbles as it goes through a soft mass, thereby doing great harm. A large bore simply goes straight through the mass.
My wife carries the same.
Where is that study? I think you are misinterpreting the results.
Ding ding ding! we have a winner.
Just a few observations on the grand old .22
A 300lb sow can be put down with a .22 short when placed in right section of the X you imagine on her head. (Grew up on a hog farm, know the routine.)
The mafia preferred (prefers?) the grand old .22. In their thinking, you weren't worth the extra money for a "premium" round. The supreme insult, you got offed by a pi$$ant round. (Don't know myself, but I've been told.)
According to what has been written, a lot of black and wet ops guys used the .22 for assassination work. The books The KGB and The CIA both mention it. The movie, Gideon's Sword (based on a true story) made a point of referring to the Israeli preference for the round in their line of work. Easily concealed, relatively quiet, universally available. (Again, I don't know, but I been told...)
What I do know for a fact is that once upon a different lifetime I knew folks who owned those small Beretta "flip top" .22s. (Never owned one myself, true beans.)
Those little suckers would spit 8 inches of flame, bark like a banshee, and scare the pi$$ out of everybody, even the guy shooting it. The street thugs with their big bad 9s would run and hide like rabbits. You didn't need to hit a thing and you could always find the bad guys by following the pee trail.
Finally, I read an article saying that the number of people killed by the humble .22 is way high on the charts. (Now don't some one of you go asking where I got that, I did NOT pull it out my butt, I remember reading something in Shotgun News [I think] about 15 years ago. They had a chart on the number of people known to have been killed by the different calibers in street crime.)
I like the .22. Versatile, light, easily controlled, [and that's really, really important] deadly, and the best part, its usually under the anti gunner's radar.
Wrong! Why would anyone use heavy bullets in the 9mm Luger cartridge, making it behave more like a 38 Special? The optimum 9mm Luger loading is the SPEER +P version using 124 grain Gold Dot bullets. In addition, almost any 40 S&W loading is terminal performance superior to the 9mm Luger cartridges.Why do you thing that most law enforcement agencies (including the FBI) have upgraded from 9mm Luger to 40 S&W?
"OK, I just wanted to get that in before my .45ACP friends arrived." Anyone still using that obsolete cartridge designation is too out of date to bring anything meaningful to the conversation. Read the headstamp, stupid!
Aye, that's the rub. The metric isn't eventual death, it's stopping the threat RIGHT NOW.
It doesn't do me any good if the guy who battered my brains out with my empty gun dies three days later of septic shock.
You: false. The most popular caliber carried by criminals is .380 auto. In really poor neighborhoods they prefer even smaller.
Keyword: OFTEN, Not "most" or "majority."
Also for many of us, the bad guys encountered aren't cookie-cutter statistical work-a-day criminals in poor neighborhoods you imagine.
Bad guys could be a jealous ex with a 12 gauge, a redneck with a nice collection or a real-world Hadji with an AK.
That said, I've also seen folks who simply can't manage anything bigger than a .22lr -- step 'em up to a .38 special or 9mm and the blast and recoil have them all over the target. For those folks, a .22lr is a fine choice, particularly those 8-shot revolvers with some CCI Stingers or Velicitors.
And don't even get me started on the .22WMR -- that 30-round pistol that Kel-tec sells would be hell on wheels. That's a lot of kbang for one magazine. $:-)
So we know there are at least two ladies with excellent taste in firearms and men out there. ;)
Agree. And with tiny packages like the LCP and LC9 available there just isn't any need. Another problem with the .22 is that it is rimfire which simply will not cycle as reliably as centerfire. All things being equal bigger is better. That said I frequently carry my LCP in the summer time.
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Should M Hockey... tank a game????
So I was parusing my usual USCHO.com Bracketology by Jason Moy reading for today and I had a disturbing thought.
Michigan hockey is in line for #1 seed which is good. But if Notre Dame finished ahead of us, they likely would get the #1 seed in the region closest to them which is Grand Rapids, likely pushing us out to the Western regional in Minnesota. Not too bad yet.
HOWEVER, Minnesota still has a shot of getting in as a #4 seed which since they're the host school for the Western regional, that means they get to play home games at theri campus rink as #4 seed. I'm sure the astute Michigan hockey fan will remember the advantage we received playing as the lower seed in Yost when we took out St Cloud St and one of those Colorado schools (Denver, right??) who was the #1 seed that year. So I don't want to get screwed by being a #1 seed and having to go to a "Region of Death" accentuated by the #4 seed being the home team.
That brings up the interesting dilemma... do we take the final day/weekend of the CCHA regular season off to lower our RPI so we're not a #1 seed. You say, "But W.I.E., even if we're a #2 seed that doesn't mean we won't get into a region of death". True, we still could be the #2 seed, get shipped to Minnesota's region anyway and still possibly play them in a regional final.
I hate doing this thought exercise, but let's take a hypothetical. Say we do this and get the #2 seed. Then say the NCAA decides to act on the proposed "geographic limitation rule" for all tourneys except basketball where a conscious effort is made to keep all teams as close to campus as possible. This would mean as a #2 seed we would likely be kept in Grand Rapids with Notre Dame as the #1 and a third CCHA team as the #3 seed (Ohio State by the latest bracketology). Outside of IMO having a better chance to win the region overall, the atmosphere in that place would be electric and provide some very entertaining rivalry hockey.
Now Minnesota could make this all moot by losing their at-large bid through continuing to descend the last couple weeks of the season (I'll take my chances with a Wisconsin #4 seed in Minneapolis). And I hate losing no matter what. But what say you M-hockey nation? Would you consider tanking against Ferris if it meant avoiding a Region of Death and getting our own non-#1 seed home regional in grand rapids?
Bubble News: Year of the Mountain West Conference.......huh?!?!
With the Game of Year in the Mountain West Conference going on tonight, its as good a time as any to discuss the league and its tournament bid chances. Tonight, Utah travels to San Diego State and sole possession of first place is on the line. Apparently, you're missing something if you're not watching Mountain West hoops. The league is having a watershed season. At least, I assume it is. What other conclusion can I make considering that for most of the winter, bracketologists everywhere have been landing a boatload of MWC teams into their field. With 32 days until Selection Sunday, the MWC is seeing 4 of its team in plenty of mock brackets and just about everyone has no less than three teams in the field.
Bracketology 101 called out ESPN's Joe Lunardi last week for including four MWC teams (Utah, SDSU, BYU and UNLV) in his field last week. Lunardi still those four in his field, albeit with BYU and UNLV among the final four in his field. However, B101 is finding the league is hard to resist, admitting to caving in with his latest mock field and even he has three MWC on the board.
I concur with B101's original sentiment. Not to disrespect the fine, competitive hoops they play in the Rockies, but are you kidding me with four bids into the NCAA field? That's almost half their league! What is this, some sort extra credit for the impressive football season the league just completed? I guess its the Year of the MWC. Nobody told me that. Do I still have time to get all my Year of the MWC shopping in before its over?
Even with Michigan's loss to MSU last night, it does not take a PHD in argumentative logic to win a debate that Michigan has the better resume and team than most of the MWC clubs being considered at this point. Throwing Michigan out of the equation, however, I conted we can make a better case for several of the bubble teams left out of most fields today over the at large bids given to the MWC teams.
The league is seventh in the conference RPI rankings. Thats an excellent mark for them, but its just one measurable. The MWC deserves an at large based upon that, but I dont think that alone should warrant the inclusion of more than that.
What if we did conference challenges between the MWC and other comparable leagues and matched the top four MWC teams against the top four teams from either the Missouri Valley, Colonial, Atlantic 10 or West Coast leagues? I've watched enough hoops this year, where I would expect the MVC and CAA to come out on top and I'd be more than willing to put my money where my mouth is. None of these other leagues is in much contention to receive an at large bid, let alone multiple ones.
Browsing through the mocks that have loaded up on MWC teams reveals a sentiment that perhaps nobody else is buying this many MWC bids either. But the bulk of the bubble is so weak that its hard to bump any of them out right now. I can only buy part of that thought process. I agree the overall bubble is not that strong. But, I disagree that there aren't teams currently on the outside looking in that have better resumes and achieved as much, if not more, in better leagues than the MWC.
Enough of my hyperbolic opinion. As we get ready for tonight's showdown, lets do what is only natural this time of year: Breakdown and compare resumes.
W/L vs RPI top 50, 100:1-2, 3-4
Best 6 Wins:SD, at UNLV, BYU. TCU, Utah, at CSU
Key Losses: Arizona, ASU, St. Mary, at BYU at Wyoming
Our old friend Steve Fisher has a nice team in the Aztecs, and he is trying to coax them into a third tournament appearance since he arrived in town. I wonder how many of his SDSU players have phone numbers of local bookies in the cell phones?
Low blows aside, it's nice to see Fisher have some success this late in his career. I would encourage anyone to check out a few minutes of any televised Aztec game, if only to see the Haray Carey-esque eyeglasses look the Fish is rocking these days. It's unintentional comedy at its finest.
Anway, lets dive into their resume. Following his mentor Bill Freider's lead, Fisher's club loaded up on a lot of cupcakes, gobbling wins against the likes of UC-San Diego, Western Carolina, Hampton, Seattle (not the Sonics), Northern Colorado and Arkansas Pine Bluff. They had three notable OOC games, but lost all three.
The Aztecs only have three wins versus the RPI top 100. Compare to Michigan, which has more than twice as many. Or Cincy, Arizona, USC and Miami which has twice as many. But, its SDSU that's in all but 5 mock brackets that have been updated after last weekend's action, while the other schools are fighting for their spots.
My problem with SDSU's resume is that their best wins of the season are all in league play. Are we saying the MWC is so strong that a team with ziltch on their OOC resume can still net a bid on the back of home court wins in league play? If that's the case, why aren't we also talking about Northeastern of the CAA, Tulsa from CUSA or Creighton from the VC deserving at large bids. We aren't.
I dont think SDSU is a team that can win a game in the tournament, and isn't that a key factor in finally determining who gets into the field. The irony of Michigan and SDSU battling on the same bubble makes for a nice story line. But, if the Aztecs grab an at large bid and Michigan is one the final teams left out in the cold, my bitterness towards Fisher will only grow.
Utah 16-7, 7-2
W/L vs RPI top 50, 100: 2-4,6-5
Best 6 Wins: Ole Miss, Oregon, Gonzaga, LSU, BYU, New Mexico
Key Losses:SW Baptist, Idaho St, Utah St, Oklahoma, Cal, at SDSU, at UNLV
Way back in the 1990s, the Utah Utes were guaranteed spots in the NCAA field. Basketball season has not been as kind to Utah in recent years, but this year's Utes squad may finally have recaptured the magic of the peak Majerus years. A win tonight in their showdown with SDSU may officially prove the Utes are back.
Given their RPI, SOS and resume building OOC wins over LSU and Gonzaga, Utah has a much better case for an at large bid, even if they lose and get swept tonight by SDSU. Six wins against the RPI top 100 is not something you usually see from a mid major, so that's a nice feather in their cap.
You know what's not a nice feather in their cap? Those atrocious losses to SW Baptist and Idaho State. Yet, the Utes are 11 in the RPI. Are we sure the RPI formula is working? How can a team have those horrible losses, play in a quasi mid major league and yet still remain among the cream of thr RPI crop? Somebody over there may need a new math consultant.
On one hand, those losses were two months ago. However, I saw plenty of commentary this week regarding Kentucky's suddenly shaky bid, pointing out not only the Cats losing streak at the time, but also their embarrassing loss to VMI way back in the season opener. Utah's losses should be weighed accordingly. At least VMI is in first place of the Southern Conference and will likely end up in the tournament. Idaho State is in the bottom half of the Big Sky. As for SW Baptist, I dont even knoW what division of hoops they play, let alone their conference ranking.
If it comes down to Utah and others for one of the final spots, how do those losses not come back to haunt them? Miami, Michigan, Cincy and Penn St, just to name a few, play in tougher leagues, have marquee OOC wins, but dont have those pair of stinkers on their resume that the Utes do.
W/L vs RPI top 50, 100: 2-3, 4-5
Best 6 Wins: Utah St, Tulsa, SDSU, TCU, Wyoming, at CSU
Key Losses: New Mexico, Utah, UNLV, Arizona St, Wake
The Cougars are the only team in the country to beat Utah State. And, they have a win over Tulsa, the second place team in Conference USA. I'm sold. Go ahead and put them in the field. Most folks have chugged the Cougar Koolaid (wait a minute....that sounds interesting.....perhaps the more perverted wing of the WLA can get to work on a recipe.....but, I digress). BYU finds itself in 30 out of 45 mock brackets that have been updated to include recent games.
I dont mean to knock that win over the Aggies. That's an elite mid major program. But, should Bracket Buster Day type wins pave the way for this kind of seemingly automatic inclusion into the field? I say no. There has to be more than that. Adding in a win over Tulsa and nice MWC record just does not scream at large invite.
When you think about it, isn't BYU's 5-3 MWC mark rather pedestrian? We're talking about leaving .500 teams from BCS leagues out of the field, yet we're blindly promoting a BYU club that's only two games above .500 in a lesser league. You know who else is within that same range record wise in comparable leagues? Try Houston, Temple and Illinois State. Those teams are nowhere near the bubble, but BYU has crashed the gates.
The Cougars are in with a 5-3 MC conference mark, but Cincy and Penn State are still fighting to get noticed with a 6-5 mark in the Big East and Big 10 respectively. Does that make sense?
The Cougars might need to worry that a fellow league member's slide may bode ill for them and other conference members on the bubble.
W/L vs RPI top 50, 100: 3-2, 3-2
Best 6 Wins: San Diego, Arizona, at Louisville, at BYU, Utah, TCU
Key Losses:Cal, Cincy, at TCU, at CSU, SDSU, at NM
Wow. Another MWC team that hasn't won more than 60 percent of their league games gets a majority of bracketologists on board with their resume. Typically that winning percentage is NIT material out of this sort of league. Yet, 60 percent of the mocks (27 out of 45) that have been updated since the weekend still place the Rebels in their field.
The Rebels have not been playing all that well of late. Early it looked like they might have been the best team in the league. But, they dropped winnable road games at TCU and CSU and more recently lost consecutive games to SDSU and New Mexico. Fans are expecting a roller coaster, with the strong chance of hell breaking loose, down the stretch.
UNLV has great wins over Arizona and Louisville. But, they also lost to fellow bubble mates Cincy and Cal. Seriously, how can you put UNLV in your field, but not the CU Bearcats. They basically have indentical league marks, but Cincy plays in a much tougher conference and they beat the Rebels head to head, in Vegas no less.
Compare the Rebels resume with Michigan's and tell me which one is better. UM has a better RPI, shatters them in the SOS department, play in a better league, have more marquee OOC wins and have twice as many wins over the RPI top 100. I dont feel that UM should be on too many bracket lines in the wake of last night's loss. Nor do I understand all the love I see UNLV getting in the mock brackets.
Here's where the rubber meets the road for me when it comes to UNLV. They lost to TCU. Now, the Horned Frogs are up and coming, but they still lost this year to Indiana. Anyone who loses to a team that lost to Indiana this year should be eliminated from consideration. That's just the rules.
Who is Michigan's biggest rival?
Yesterday, as I watched Michigan's awful performance against Michigan State, I wondered about who is Michigan's worst rival, Ohio State or Michigan State.
I am precluding this by mentioning that football is the most important, basketball is great, but still just a distraction from football's dead period. Also, we can leave out Notre Dame and Minnesota, the fact that Notre Dame is non-conference, Minnesota has been owned by Michigan recently, and the fact that game is not even played annually.
Call it whatever you want, heresy, channeling Gary Moeller perhaps, but I believe Michigan State is Michigan's worst rival. Maybe I say that because I live in Grand Rapids, west side of the state, where there are almost two State fans per Michigan fans, and not many of those Michigan fans really care. Or perhaps, in light of State's win in football this past year, or the debacle last night, I have a newfound passion for hating MSU this year. Also, there are not really too many Ohio State fans, that I see at least, I do not really know of any that live around here. They might live in southeast Michigan or in the Toledo area where the rivalry is seemingly most heated, but I am not really aware that many Ohio State fans exist in most of the state of Michigan.
I think that the Michigan-Ohio State bloodbath (not that I've had much experience with the rivalry) really is a tremendous rivalry, but to be honest, I believe that it is a rivalry that is based loosely on mutual respect, or at least acknowledgement for the other's program. I did actually just say that. Michigan is a better program by far, more class, dignity, intelligence, etc. but I have to say that Ohio State is a decent program. Also, I think that the Ohio State rivalry is by far the best rivalry in the state of Ohio, with Michigan fans and Ohio State fans going at it constantly. However, in the state of Michigan, particularly in West, North, and Central Michigan, even around Ann Arbor, Michigan State is a bigger rival, not by much more than the Buckeyes, but still more. The Michigan-Michigan State rivalry is based purely on the inferiority complex set on MSU by Michigan (which is not without merit, frankly it's true). Michigan State hates Michigan so passionately that it is really amazing. Michigan however, feels that State is just another win, and never gives them any credit for anything; and Michigan State takes that as an insult which only adds to the rivalry. Add to the inferiority complex the annual recruiting battles (especially in Detroit, which Michigan typically wins), the success of michigan now and in the past, and the fact that Michigan State rally does not compare with Michigan in respects to tradition, talent, history, or even fan base. Also, I could say that Michigan-Ohio State is fueled by the ESPN, SI, etc. hype on the rivalry, which is really just an excuse to fill their telecast, magazine, web site, whatever. That really just adds to the perception that Michigan-Ohio State is a bigger rivalry than Michigan-Michigan State, it is still an excellent rivalry, but I'd finally give kudos to Michigan State for once and call them a bigger rival. ESPN in particular hypes rivalries way too much, and I've heard it a few times during the North Carolina-Duke game by Dickie V, how that fits in I do not know. Rivalries are a huge thing, but they are mainly a product of the fans which goes down to the players, coaches etc. but not a national thing, moreover a localized one.
Maybe I say this because I am incredulous that State won this past year, or that they chanted Go Green, Go White, (Can't Read, Can't Write) after winning said game, followed up with a "little sister" chant, at the Big House. Or, maybe I held on to hope that Michigan would upset them last night. Maybe it was recent frustration in most of the recruiting battles in-state as of late (except William Campbell, yes...), or perhaps that I am outnumbered by State fans here in GR. I guess that most of what I am saying is a matter of present circumstance, or maybe I haven't experienced the Michigan-Ohio State rivalry for real. (Note: I have gone to the past four or five Ohio State games at home, and go to almost every home game, so I have seen the fervor in person.)
I guess what I've tried to say is that, at least right now, and around here, Michigan State is a bigger rival than Ohio State. Not by much, but still a little bigger ( at the very least, around the same).
Agree? Disagree? A matter of opinion?
(I am bracing myself for the explosion, so try not to be too vicious here, I am a fellow Michigan diehard, so insults are really not too appropriate).
Go Blue, little brother.
Life is ready to begin anew
Alright, finally, the winter of our discontent has a bright spring in sight!
The time of year coming up is one of the best -- Spring Training opens in a week or so, conference basketball tourneys are around the corner, CCHA and NCAA hockey playoffs coming up, the Masters, NCAA and NIT bball tourneys, opening day in MLB, spring football, Wimbledon, Premiership gets into the final stretch and the College World Series which, for me, punctuates the end of Spring.
Whoa -- for a sports fan, this upcoming time of year is really fine, exceeded only (perhaps) by fall,with college football, NFL, MLB playoffs and World Series, the PGA tournament (which sort of kicks off fall for me), hockey training camps and start of the season, NBA (meh), and the opening of the Premiership season.
The real low of the year is right now, after the NFL conference championship games and before the start of the spring seasons I already noted -- the Superbowl punctuates mid-season NHL, NBA, college bball, Premiership, all in sort of a lull at that point. This time of year is sort of buzzard's luck for sports fans -- can't kill nuthin' and nuthin's dead. No wonder the Auto Shows and Boat Shows and Fishing Shows at the conference centers get any attendees at all -- even walking around looking at things you can't afford beats watching January and February sports on TV!
Oh, yeah, life begins anew very soon.
The groundhog can just bugger off.
Bubble News: MIchigan loses, but wins
In one of the most vexing, muddled and up-in-the-air bubble situations the college hoops landscape has seen in recent years, Michigan split their games last week, but in the process elevated their overall profile.
A week after nearly unanimously falling out of most mock brackets, Michigan regained some footing by thumping everybody's trendy dark horse Penn St by 20 and then going toe to toe on the road against top ranked Uconn. While the Wolverines upset bid fell oh so short, the game effort against the Huskies helped prove to most college hoop observers that UM can compete and beat tournament caliber teams. Also helping Michigan's cause this week was the continuation of collapses at Notre Dame and Georgetown, several Big 12 bubble teams going winless on the week and fellow Big 10 bubble mates Penn St and Northwestern stepping back to the pack.
Despite ending the week with a loss, Michigan found itself in more mock brackets this week. After losing four of five games to close January, Michigan entered February in only a smattering of brackets, many of which had not been updated to even include Michigan's more recent losses.
One week into the new month, Michigan finds itself in 18 of 52 mock brackets tracked by the Bracket Project. Nearly 40 percent of the accredited bracketologists label Michigan a tournament team, despite having just gone through its biggest slump of the season. That bodes well for Michigan's chances, if they can close out strong and bang out a few more impressive wins.
If Michigan can pull out a winning record in their final seven games, a stretch that includes marquee home games against MSU (tonight), Minnesota (2/19) and Purdue (2/26), then a tourney bid is theirs for the taking. A 9-9 league mark ought to do the trick, so long as they do not have an embarrassing flame out in the Big 10 tournament and lose to Iowa or Indiana in a first round game.
The final two teams in the Amaker era broke even in the Big 10, but were denied a bid. Those teams failed to close strong. With a bid on the line in the season finale in both those seasons, Michigan failed to deliver a home win against Indiana and Ohio State respectively. Those Michigan teams did not have anything to brag about in the OOC slate either and, in fact, was routinely embarrassed in their big time non conference games.
This year's squad is much different. To get to a .500 record in league play, they have to close strong. And, if they succeed, they will have beaten several tournament bound teams in February. And, unlike those Amaker squads, this year's Michigan team boasts as strong a pair of OOC wins (Duke and UCLA) as anyone else in the country.
With less than five weeks until Selection Sunday, the Michigan Wolverines control their own destiny as far as earning a tournament bid. The path begins tonight with rival Michigan State in town. While awaiting tip off, here are some other observations about the latest round of mock brackets.
Blue Grass Blues
Is Kentucky in trouble? It's hard to imagine a member of the college basketball royal family missing out on the tournament, but the Wildcats could not have picked a worse time to embark on a losing streak. The SEC has been maligned all winter with experts forecasting as few as four or three bids into the field. You don't want to be an SEC team on the bubble right now—especially on a losing streak—as public perception will work against you.
Losers of three in a row, the Cats are already finding that public perception betraying them a bit. In the week since UK last played a game, more than one quarter (15 of 51) of the updated mock brackets have left them out of their field. Michigan, for example, is in 8 brackets which UK has been left out of, including such notables as the Bracket Project and collegehoopsnet.com.
The Wildcats are a team in need of win. Tonight's home game with Florida (on ESPN after the MSU/UM) carries as much import for the home team as the showdown in Ann Arbor does. A win for UK really cures a lot of ills. However, a loss extends the losing streak for a team that plays four of its next five games on the road.
You know it's bad in Lexington when fans are pining for the days of Eddie Sutton. While his tenure led to crippling probation, some folks wish the Gillespie had a bit of Old Man Sutton's imagination as they try to fight their way out of a losing streak and off the bubble.
ACC Dramatics
It was a boring week in the ACC, right? Landmark wins by Clemson over Duke and Miami over Wake during the week was followed by a weekend chalk full of dramatic comebacks. Duke, Florida State and Virginia Tech all climbed back from large halftime deficits to secure key wins. Ho hum, just another boring week in the ACC where it seems every game is not only close, but also played between final four contenders and/or good teams residing on the bubble.
It was a good week for the ACC as in some mock brackets, notably Lunardi's at ESPN, the ACC now has 8 bids, the most of any other conference. The biggest team winner in all of this might have been Florida State. The Noles are one of five ACC bubble teams, but with all of them facing many hurdles between now and the end of the season, it's really anybody's guess how this whole thing will shake out. But, coming from behind to notch a road win at Clemson has the Noles, at least for now, standing out from the crowd. Most mock brackets have them securely in the field with a #7 seed or better. The Seminoles are close to being tournament locks and breaking their 10-year drought.
The rest of the ACC bubble still has work to do. Virginia Tech, Boston College and Miami are still in most fields, albeit as double digit seeds. Neither of those teams can afford a losing spell or other teams will surely pass them. Maryland, the only league bubble team not in any recently updated mock fields, needs to go a prolonged winning streak to nudge back into contention.
Obviously, it's a marquee week for the league with Wednesday night's Duke/UNC showdown, but be sure to keep an eye on these games as their outcomes will go a long way in determining the next round of mock brackets: Clemson at BC, 2/10; Georgia Tech at Virginia Tech, 2/11; FSU at WF, 2/14; VT at Maryland, 2/14; Duke at BC, 2/14; and UNC at Miami, 2/14.
Another week, another new contender in the Big 12
We're in the process of a complete overhaul of the bubble picture in the Big 12. Spurred by preseason expectations, Oklahoma St, Baylor and Texas A/M was the conventional wisdom's pecking order for the last few invites for a league that should be a 6-bid conference. However, those three schools are just a combined 9-17 in league play and had been ping-ponging between being in and out of the mock brackets for the last several weeks. Each school went 0-2 during the last week of play. All three have fallen off the radar of most bracketologists and will need to go on a major run from here on out just to finish break even in conference play.
What's worse is they've been bypassed by new bubble teams right out of their own league. Kansas State burst onto the scene the final week of January with wins over Missouri and Texas. The Wildcats followed the act by winning two more games last week—including a gutsy road win in College Station over the Aggies—to run their winning streak to five games. After the win, it's fair to ask if the balance of power in the league has shifted divisions. The Wildcats have a big week ahead of them. They host Texas Tech tomorrow and then welcome KU in a huge showdown Saturday afternoon. With a manageable slate down the stretch, it will be difficult to keep KSU out of the field if they notch another two wins this week.
Meanwhile a new contender for a bid also emerged in the Nebraska Cornhuskers. Nebraska followed the same model KSU did previously and used a marquee win over Texas over the weekend to jump into bubble discussion. Are they tournament ready just yet? One Nebraska bracketologist says not yet, but its just a blast to even include them into the discussion. Nebraska's bubble situation is just like Michigan's, in that they have plenty of big name marks on the schedule where wins could boost their resume right into the field. Unlike, Michigan, however, all those contests are on the road. In their final seven games, Big Red has to travel to Missouri, Kansas, KSU and Baylor. If they don't get at least one win from that group of games, the Huskers will be a .500 team at best in league play. With an OOC resume devoid of any big time wins and marred with bad losses to Oregon St and Maryland Baltimore County, I doubt that will cut it come Selection Sunday.
Beware, Mock Bracket Darling
One of the more interesting trends this winter has been watching the rise—and subsequent fall—of the Mock Bracket Darling. I define this species as a team which nobody is even discussing, but after an impressive week suddenly shoots to the top of everyone's bubble list. Two weeks ago, the Darling was Virginia Tech. After notching landmark road wins at Wake and Miami, the Hokies came out of nowhere and made appearances in just about everyone's mock fields. Last week, bracketologists everywhere lauded Penn St, and 24 hours after their road win at Michigan St, the Nittany Lions made their own debut in the mocks.
Both teams found their new found status too much to bear. The Hokies immediately choked a big lead and lost at home to Clemson, followed by a buzzer beating loss to BC. While they won their only game last week, the Hokies place in any eventual field is far from secure. Penn St followed their appearance in the mocks by getting blown out at Michigan and losing at home to Wisconsin. After dropping a pair of bubble battles, the Nittany Lions find themselves out of most mock fields as quickly as they were placed inside them.
If you've become a Mock Bracket Darling, you had better watch your back.
If this trend holds up, that bears bad news for the Cincinnati Bearcats. Alleged to be a bottom half team from the Big East, the Bearcats have parlayed a recent hot run into an 'in the field' status by most accounts. The Bearcats run includes a win over Notre Dame and a sweep of Georgetown. With those programs cratering towards the NIT and Providence on a three-game losing streak, the Bearcats have found themselves as the last Big East team in the field. According the Bracket Matrix, 41 mock fields have posted since this weekend's action and the Bearcats find themselves in 27 of those fields. In most of those mocks, CU is either an 11 or 12 seed and among the final teams overall placed on the board.
The Bearcats have one of the conference's best scorers in Deonta Vaughn. They also have one the league's top Diaper Dandies in Yancy Gates, who was just named Big Eat Rookie of the Week for the second time this season. Their coach highlights a down to the wire loss at Uconn as the season's turning point. Hopefully, Michigan can follow suit after their near miss against the Huskies on Saturday.
Can they avoid the Mock Bracket Darling Hex? After a gimme at home against St John's this week, the Bearcats still have games with Pittsburgh, Louisville, Syracuse and West Virginia between now and March 1. If they can come out of the stretch alive, we might need to find a permanent place in the field for them.
Un4gettable? You had to be there
Away from mock brackets, there was a dose of Michigan related hoops news over the weekend. Do you remember Chris Weber? He played on the Fab Five and advanced to a couple of Final Fours during his years at Michigan. Allegedly.
Anyway, the Sacramento Kings of the NBA retired good old #4's number in a dramatic ceremony Friday night. All the luminaries that you would expect at such an event showed up. Like Scott Pollard and Doug Christie. Mateen Cleaves was even there and spoke to the crowd about C-Web.
There was a little problem, however, with the crowd that night. Apparently dozens of Wise Guys showed up to honor Weber as well. The Kings did not have enough seats for them, but I am sure Chris, good guy that he is, invited them all out to his post game celebration. It was touching moment, indeed.
A voice of reason....
So consider this my disclaimer...I am a wolverine since birth, some of my greatest memories are of me and family (grandfather alum) at some of the greatest UM games ever (Orange Bowl 2000, UM vs Nuts 100th game, UM vs PSU last second win, as well as numerous hockey and bball games ....and so on)..But it just so happens i am in my senior year at the REAL UT, home of the Vols. It seems that everyone is having a pretty good time with our young firecracker of a coach we got down here, and i couldnt be happier!!!! It's about damn time somebody grew some balls around here and awoke this monster...Take the stupid comments and make a nice collage or something cuz thats about all their good for....What you seem to be missing is the assembly of some of the finest coaches and recruiters in college football, with proven track records, which single handedly stole 5 star Janzen Jackson from LSU,as well as Nu'keese and Teague from UF, not to mention 4-5 star Darren Myles. Guaranteed KIffin will win more than three games his debut season, (i love RR..i promise) despite our QB situation, our D will be sick nasty along with a stable of running backs. And if the Vols and Wolves played on a neutral field, Eric Berry would have three picks and two touchdowns in a violent 21-20 slug fest..best DB in college since Woodson and should have won the Thorpe as a Soph..(fuckin Jenkins? what a joke)
Both teams are on their way....UT vs UM Nat Title 2011?


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Einar: Welcome to our forum. :happyelf:
I agree with you in general, but am also thankful that he has/is making the movies as well as he has. I've waited 35 years to see the books brought to life on the big screen and am enjoying them for their own sake, deciding to ignore the changes as minor discrepancies, while hoping the commentary on the LotR: TTT Extended DVD will explain why PJ chose to make his changes. :elfcool:
After seeing the LotR: FotR Extended DVD and its commentaries, I was finally satisfied with his rendition of the LotR: FotR(except I still wanted to see Old Man Willow, Tom Bombadil, and the Barrow-wight). Maybe by this time next year I will be finally satisfied with the LotR: TTT and will be grousing about LotR: RotK. :elfbiggrin:
Note: This thread will be moved under [u]Movies[/u] under [u]The Two Towers[/u] in a day or two.nn[Edited on 7/1/2003 by Grondmaster]


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How would I go about setting the wppizza opening hours to best suit these needs? Needless to say I need the online ordering capability for both these cases.
Not sure is something can be done right there or if this is more of a feature request...
Anyways, thanks in advance to anyone who could point me in the right direction.
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The attorney of record in the four I checked was a Jonathan Gelber and his fees, in addition to the judgments, ranged from $350 to $4233.33. The judgments ranged from $4200 to $12,700.
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Sotheby's Quarterly Profit Fell 26 Percent as Art Sales Decline
Sotheby's, the publicly traded auctioneer of fine arts and collectibles, said fourth quarter profit fell 26 percent as sales slid.
The New York company's net income fell to $71.5 million from $96.2 million a year earlier. It earned $1.04 a share, less than the average $1.25 estimate of six analysts surveyed by Bloomberg. Quarterly revenue fell 11 percent, to $284 million.
A year earlier, Sotheby's had its most profitable quarter since 2008.
Sotheby's shares fell 62 cents today to $39.34 in New York Stock Exchange composite trading. They're up 38 percent this year, more than four times the gain of the Standard & Poor's 500 Index. The shares declined 20 percent in the past 52 weeks.
The results were released today after the close of regular trading.


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Enjoy the Journey
Saturday - January 25
Going to give this flu thing at least another day of rest, got the snotty nose thing going now which is very unpleasant for all involved. At this point I need to be realistic about the half marathon next weekend, probably not going to be the PR I was hoping for. But it will still be a good time! There are 6 of us flying down to Florida and shacking up at Karen's tiny house in Tarpon Springs.
Today's agenda - get better!!!!
Today's agenda - get better!!!!
Friday - January 24
I did go to work on Thursday after fever broke, but left early. Couldn't stand the thought of another day on the couch. This morning still have stomach ache and runny nose. We are supposed to go to a bike club social after work but I may have to rethink that depending on how the day goes.
Thursday - January 23
Wednesday - January 22
Home sick with the stomach crud today. I think I set a record for lying immobile on a couch. Yuck.
abake's Training Log
Upcoming races
- Cuban Gravel Crisis (Cycle)10/15/2016 Cuba, Missouri
- Red Dog 100 (Cycle)11/5/2016 Jefferson City, Missouri
- El Tour De Tucson (Cycle)11/19/2016 Tucson, Arizona
- August's totals
- July's totals
- 2016 totals
- 2015 totals
Swim: 4h 35m - 11500 Yd
Bike: 23h 38m - 353.9 Mi
Run: 6h 38m 56s - 29.26 Mi
Strength: 1h 00m
HIIT: 1h 07m
Walking: 35m
Swim: 1h 55m - 5300 Yd
Bike: 29h 30m - 454.6 Mi
Run: 8h 21m 16s - 36.59 Mi
Strength: 2h 22m
Yoga: 25m
Swim: 28h 04m 12s - 68885 Yd
Bike: 160h 13m - 2303.9 Mi
Run: 30h 42m 36s - 135.44 Mi
Strength: 15h 23m
Aqua Aerobics : 30m
Aqua Jogging: 5h 45m
Elliptical Training: 25m
HIIT: 1h 07m
Physical Therapy: 2h 30m 15s
Walking: 35m
Yoga: 8h 15m
Swim: 75h 26m 30s - 198212.16 Yd
Bike: 219h 03m 53s - 3406.1 Mi
Run: 142h 46m 43s - 672.09 Mi
Strength: 30h 24m
Hiking: 11h 00m
Snow Shoveling: 1h 00m
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Happy Vegan Mardi Gras!
Over a year ago
Need a vegan or vegan and gluten-free King Cake? Crazycool Kittee is King Cake Central!
King Cake Kindergarten…excellent primer with info, helpful tips and appetite-catching photos!
Vegan King Cake 2008…half juicy blueberry preserves and half cinnamon sugar. I'm still staring at it in the throes of helpless royal cakelust.
XGFX Peanut Butter Cup King Cake…In vegan-speak, XGFX = vegan + gluten-free deliciousness. In this case King Peanut Butter Cup reigns supreme!
Peanut Butter King Cake Dough (gluten edition)…The same yummalicious chocolate mousse-filled magnificence as above, but made with the traditional all purpose flour. Options include Regular Icing or superdelish Peanut Butter Icing!
Lemon Glazed Vegan King Cake with Cream Cheese Filling from PETA via ecorazzi
Vegan King Cake with Lemon Glaze and Cinnamon Sugar Filling from Mighty Vegan
Gluten-Free King Cake Cookies (Cinnamon-Pecan Cookies) from Susan at FatFree Vegan Kitchen
What Mardi Gras treats will you have today?