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Nikon 16-85 v 24-120
This may look like an odd question. I have a D7000 and use an old Nikon 18-70 lens as my normal walkaround. It is due an upgrade, and I am thinking of the 24-120 - the longer reach is attractive (at the expense of width) and it takes me part down the road of temptation to FX.
However the main aim is to improve my D7000 experience, and I would appreciate comments on the relative quality of the two lenses and their suitability to a DX camera. Many thanks. Tom
#1. "RE: Nikon 16-85 v 24-120" | In response to Reply # 0blw Nikonian since 18th Jun 2004Tue 30-Oct-12 12:55 PM
I think that the main thing is to see how much you'll miss the 18-24 range. Check your files and see how often you use that range. Whether or not you use it a lot, you'll know something. Also take note of how often the 18 and 70 are used - if they are a lot more than the lengths near them, you probably were in need of something wider or longer. The 24-120 obviously offers one of those, but not the other.
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#2. "RE: Nikon 16-85 v 24-120" | In response to Reply # 0SirPuttsAlot Registered since 26th Sep 2011Tue 30-Oct-12 12:57 PM
I had a 16-85 on my D7000 and really enjoyed that lens, it had all the performance I needed packaged in a very nice and useful focal length. On vacation, family get togethers, and general photography, it was the only lens I needed. I also had a 70-300 which basically never came out.
I had borrowed a 24-120 for a week and used it on my D7000. It too was a very nice lens, but I did not find it as useful as the 16-85. 36mm isn't that wide and there we a few times that week that I just couldn't get the shot b/c I really needed a wider focal length. Also, it really is considerably heavier / thicker than the 16-85.
Based on the photo's I typically take, I probably would get a used 16-85. I can always crop the image a bit to simulate a longer focal length (for the most part), but I cannot make the lens wider in post as I cannot add information that just wasn't captured. Also, by buying it used the investment will be considerably less than a new unit and if/when you upgrade to FX the loss from reselling it will be minimized. But that's just based on my experience and what I did. If you tend to shoot on the longer side most of the time, have little use for the wider side, don't mind the bulk, or think that your probability to upgrade to FX is high and near term, then you will most likely enjoy the 24-120 and not have to go through trying to resell the 16-85.
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#3. "RE: Nikon 16-85 v 24-120" | In response to Reply # 0MotoMannequin Registered since 11th Jan 2006Tue 30-Oct-12 03:41 PM | edited Tue 30-Oct-12 03:45 PM by MotoMannequin
24-120 would not be wide enough for me on a DX body, but like Brian says, a review of your photos will tell you how much you value the 18-24 range.
Coupled with something like a 10-24 or 12-24 it would be workable, but if you're talking about a 2-lens solution then you could also think about things like 16-85 with a 70-300 which gives you a lot more on the long end.
If you're thinking about FX but not ready to take the plunge, my thinking has always been, don't compromise your current photography with a strategy to make an upgrade at some point it the future. All you have to do is miss one great opportunity, and that whole strategy is a major fail. Maybe that means 24-120 isn't a great lens for you right now, but it's certainly questionable as well why you'd want to invest in a moderately expensive DX lens like the 16-85. Personally I don't put much stock in these mid-range zooms. The ultra-wide and telephoto ranges are much more important to me, so I splurge there, and I'm happy to cover "normal" with a good, cheap prime. Of course, depending on what and how you shoot, YMMV.
What about a used 18-105VR? Something like that gives you some extended range, but without sacrificing the wide end, and if you move to FX you probably resell it with little to no loss.
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#4. "RE: Nikon 16-85 v 24-120" | In response to Reply # 3km6xz Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2009Tue 30-Oct-12 04:16 PM
I am with Larry on this, if you go FX, preferred lenses for that field of view would be a compromise on DX for a walk-around. I would also suggest the 18-105 as a very competent lens that is cheap and close enough to the 16-85 to allow you to save for what you really want later on with FX.
A 35 1.8 is a very useful utility lens and not expensive as a second lens in the light weight walking around kit.
The problem with mid slow zooms(18-55, 18-105, 16-85, 18-200) is that you really will not notice striking difference between any of them, they are all decent. You will have to go to more specialized lenses to see a difference, and more specialized lenses are usually more limited in the range of situations where they are needed or where they shine.
Getting lost in the question about lenses is the real question...how to improve your D7000 images. What is wrong with them now? The d7000 is capable of taking almost any image hanging on gallery walls today. It is an excellent camera so maybe there is something specific you are wishing to address, some problem you see that a lens might help, but odds are that it will not.
The best bang for the buck with any kit addition is lighting. Do you have a good speed light or several? Even in daylight shooting dramatic improvements in creative options become available. A scene with great light trumps great lenses or bodies. Learning to use augmented lighting to accomplish your goals is one of the most rewarding skills in photography.
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#5. "RE: Nikon 16-85 v 24-120" | In response to Reply # 0
Many thanks for all this good advice. I typically use this lens on holiday, often when walking around a European city with my wife and non-photographer friends, who don't wait while I am taking photos. So a dual lens solution would probably lead to someone getting lost!
And yes, the loss of 18 to 24 would be significant. The 16-85 is obviously a good lens of its kind, provides a little bit of extra reach at either end compared with my 18-70 and is presumably optically better, and has VR. Sounds convincing to me, particularly as a used buy.
#6. "RE: Nikon 16-85 v 24-120" | In response to Reply # 5J_Harris Nikonian since 29th Mar 2011Tue 30-Oct-12 11:23 PM
You seem to be showing a little more interest in the 16-85 than the other lenses mentioned. I own the D7000 and use both the 16-85 and 24-120 f/4 (see my equipment profile for other lenses). I haven't been to a European city in decades, but in the eighties I lived in Germany for three years and spent time in Turkey and Italy. I then had my trusty 35mm Canon AE-1 Program with a single 50mm lens.
In the United States where the cities are not as "tight" and there is a lot of open countryside the 24-120 f/4 is my favorite lens for about 80-percent of my shooting. I have tried on several occasions to convince myself to sell the 16-85, but I can't do it . It is just too good of a lens - very versatile.
For situations like you describe, i.e. European Cities or similar, close to moderate landscapes, and where you don't want the inconvenience, or to delay others by changing lenses the 16-85 is excellent. The 16-23mm at the wide-end that is missing on the 24-120 f/4 is very useful on a DX DSLR and 85mm will be long enough for the majority of situations.
My 24-120 f/4 has slightly more contrast and sharpness, but not enough to outweigh the overall usefulness and performace of the 16-85 when in the situations you describe. I had a 18-200 and the 16-85 is noticeably better optically. The 16-85 may not be as sharp or fast as a professional constant aperture lens, but it sure is a lot less expensive, less cumbersome, and has very good optics while being extremely versatile.
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#8. "RE: Nikon 16-85 v 24-120" | In response to Reply # 5Luke_Miller Nikonian since 19th Apr 2006Wed 31-Oct-12 11:12 AM
>Many thanks for all this good advice. I typically use this
>lens on holiday, often when walking around a European city
>with my wife and non-photographer friends, who don't wait
>while I am taking photos. So a dual lens solution would
>probably lead to someone getting lost!
Most of my travel is with a tour group and they don't wait for me to change lenses or foot zoom, so a one lens solution is the only solution for me. 24mm (on FX) or 16mm (on DX) is as wide as I find I need in city shots. My DX travel set up was a D300 with the 16-85 VR and that combination was outstanding. When the 24-120 f4 VR came out I moved to the D700 and 24-120 combination. Both lenses are excellent, but I could not get by using the 24-120 on a DX body.
#7. "RE: Nikon 16-85 v 24-120" | In response to Reply # 0
The 18-70 is known as a good lens.
The 16-85 gives you a bit more at both ends, it has VR and is also known to be a good lens.
If you really want a 1 lens travel zoom then there are also the 18-200 and 18-300 options.
All of the above options are DX and would represent regret investment if you subsequently change to a FX body.
While the new 24-120 f4 is a good lens on FX I think it will result in a lot of missed opportunities in street photography and tourism shots at the wide end. The 16-85 is the DX equivalent of this FX lens
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#9. "RE: Nikon 16-85 v 24-120" | In response to Reply # 7kshapero Nikonian since 29th Jan 2006Mon 24-Dec-12 07:09 PM | edited Mon 24-Dec-12 07:09 PM by kshapero
I just bought a used 16-85 for about $375. Waiting for it to arrive. My first zoom lens!!
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Indiana is on one of the four regional Sports Illustrated covers for March Madness. Victor Oladipo is obviously the center piece of this one, but there are several other athletes on the cover with him (notice quarterback Tre Roberson over Oladipo's left shoulder and tailback Stephen Houston at the 't' and soccer player Femi Hollinger-Janzen at the bottom.). Also there, Riley and Meghan Crean, Tom Crean's son and oldest daughter.
Inside is Sports Illustrated reporter Tim Layden's profile of Victor Oladipo.
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Come on, now. We all know we don't have this complete resurgence without one name(no, not Tom Crean..though he would have been a delight on that SI cover).
There is one player that made this all possible.
There is one player that every team we face will attempt to limit touches.
There is one player that caused positive recruiting results that will extend for a decade.
There is one player that the sports writers left off of first All-American.
There is one player that the Establishment is still wetting themselves over because he signed with IU.
There is one player that could have doomed IU's fate as we prepared for another decade of never reclaiming our name as an "elite" basketball program.
There is one name that the Establishment wants to now, on the eve of the tournament, crawl up in the kid's head, and make him feel like a second fiddle.
There is one name that brought us our standout freshman point guard…and all other recruits associated with "the Movement."
There is one name that creates so much attention on the floor from our opponent that it inevitably allows other so-called 'NBA shooting stars' that came out of nowhere to far more easily exploit and gain open lanes and advantageous spacing to get to the rim.
There is one tactic the Establishment has now employed as they manipulate and temper their early season praises they so generously slathered on thick for our premier center at the beginning of the season.
Wasn't that their tactic all along? Guess what, Cody? They are trying to get into your head. They are hoping for you to turn your focus inward and pout. They have heard you are soft and don't like to be pushed. You avoid the brawl and you don't like to bang. You are the gentle giant that doesn't have the stones to dominate at this level, yet the level your "star" teammate has been deemed to have already conquered.
You have a choice, Cody. See it for what it is. These people are zits that use the press to push and pull at your emotions. Show them it was never about you. Show them it was never about being 1st team All-American. Show them it wasn't about making the covers their magazines. Show them their worst fear. Show them that Cody Zeller didn't come to Indiana because he's weak.
Show them that Cody Zeller is a wrecking ball to their Establishment BS. Be a wrecking ball, Cody. Be a pair of wrecking balls. Put us on your shoulders for one final run. Put your name forever into Hoosier lore. Six games. Banner six.
[Tom Crean] would have been a delight on that SI cover
Wouldn't he now? Unfortunately Crean hasn't made a magazine cover since that groundbreaking interview with Ron Burgundy…
And what's up with that cover…? Give me a break, Establishment world BS. That cover had to be designed by an IU grad already born of Establishment. I've heard of deception in attempts at political correctness, but this is ridiculous.
On any given game day at Assembly Hall, you'll be lucky to see one face in a crowd of 20 that's not Caucasian(not to be confused with Geoff's non-hip 'Causation' race).
That cover has five black kids…5 out of 17…nearly 30%? Riiiiiiight. Put a couple more black kids in that picture and we could pass for Grambling. Please show me a verifiable number that anywhere approaches that figure(30%) as realistically representing the true attempts IU has made to add African American kids to their student population. Realistic number? 7%. I looked it up. 7% would have put one African American face in the crowd of students surrounding Oladipo. One out of every 20.
Where's the Asian kids and international students? Don't they get into March Madness? They sure get into the science schools at IU.
163 foreign countries are enrolled at IU campuses and make up 32 percent of the student population(courtesy: 2012, Vice President for Diversity, Equity, and Multicultural Affairs).
I stand corrected.
I'm not fascinated that we're on the cover. Way, way, too much work to be done in these next 6 games. Anddd, this team has not played IU bb the past 6 games!!! While my brain says we are going to be ok, my gut feeling says the opposite!!!
No, Dustin..I didn't recognize some of the other faces as being IU athletes from sports not at the forefront of national coverage. Nor would any fan currently tuned into March Madness picking up that issue on a newsstand, or viewing it on a website, would think those are Indiana athletes…I would surmise that most looking at that photo would think those are depictions/representations of a typical crowd of IU fans found at a typical game.
And it doesn't change any my thoughts to why sportswriters(mostly with Establishment agendas) are making Cody Zeller look like a second fiddle going into the NCAA tournament(keeping Zeller off the 1st team All-American team and putting all the limelight on Oladipo). Nor do I think it's a coincidence that they put Indiana in a bracket that would take us to Oladipo's home stomping grounds if we reach the regionals(which would again prompt ESPN to flood Oladipo with more attention leading up to the contest in DC)…
All of it is an attempt to get into Zeller's head and have him internalize all the second-guessing surrounding his abilities, backbone, lack of "stones"(Laffy's term), and worthiness of being a top NBA draft pick…Give him second-fiddle syndrome. Conniving Establishment does not want that 6th banner in Assembly. They'll do anything to disrupt that path back to elite status…Getting into Cody's head is the only means they have left to derail the Hoosiers(outside of paying off some refs…But we'll leave those forms of conspiracies to Geoff).
BTN showing the IU – NC championship game – 1981′
Big difference, besides NC 4-corner offense is the announcers. They call the game, not talk about everything else. Nice change.
Putting us in DC is an Establishment perfect storm…
Oladipo- Makes Oladipo want to overly impress many of the hometown doubters that never thought he could be a top NBA draft pick. It's very possible that he'll try to do to much, become more of a one-man show, and view the game as his stage.
Zeller- Internalizes lack of attention…Feels somewhat slighted by the press that is throwing ESPN parties and slathering attention on the guy that doesn't want to seem to pass the ball, is forcing everything, and turning the game into his personal sideshow during the most crucial weekend in the past 10 years our program.
Yes, I do believe the Hoosiers toughest opponent will be their own heads, their own egos, and their ability to not fall into the mental traps the Establishment is setting.
….he'll(Oladipo) try to do [too] much.
Just read Larry's comments about Zeller on the other thread(All-Americans thread). It's pretty obvious he's bought into exactly what the Establishment has been selling for the last few weeks..Cody is weak. Cody is "one-dimensional." Cody can't bang. Cody is no first team All-American..Cody didn't live up to the hype. Cody is going to look like a boy against Wes Unseld and Miami's front line.. Our reason for success? One name… Oladipo….Perfect storm. Establishment attempting to polarize a team.
Smell the coffee, Dustin.
And please don't tell me that the press doesn't have agendas…How quickly we forget. Thank Mike Fish for the 9 game suspension…Cody has had to carry this team in the middle…by HIMSELF. Hells bells, even Pritchard provided some decent backup last season.
What the Hoosiers accomplished with a center that had zero inside help is beyond amazing. It's a crime Zeller was not 1st team All-American. How many top teams have had no backup play on the inside? Even Elston was unable to give us anything. Watford? Is he really a legit bruiser on the inside? Even the Establishment thought that Zeller would get help on the inside from Perea. He carried our team on the inside and helped lead us to our first Big 10 title in 20 years…with ZERO HELP behind him coming off the bench(much of that thanks to the Establishment throwing the NCAA an A-Hope bone). If that's not a 1st Team All-American season, then I don't know what the hell is.
The Establishment was very worried about the future Hoosier on the cover of this issue…Remember the kid, Dustin?
I think you thought he was the next Hakeem Olajuwon. Maybe, in time, he will be..But did Cody get any help from Hakeem this year? Nope. He had to be our ONLY inside presence and live up to a ton of manufactured HYPE.
And in what place did we finish in the Big 10 standings?
And who couldn't Michigan stop when all they had to do was secure a six point lead in the last minute of the game against IU in Ann Arbor?
In front of their home crowd on senior night, and with a 1st Team All-American point guard to secure the ball…With the Big 10 title on the line…With every possession being a must bucket for Indiana..Who did we go to? Who was the "one-dimensional" kid we put all the weight of that moment on? Who had to live up to that do or die pressure..? Who was the Hoosier that couldn't be stopped? Who carried us home with that trophy? An All-American, that's who. A 1st Team All-American.
Come on, Dustin. It's never about what you sell..It's how you sell it. And Cody has been sold as not living up to the hype. It's a complete manufactured bunch of nonsense.
We won the Big 10 title behind a center that had ZERO when it came to legit post backup play. And where does the Establishment want to point the limelight?
When all the cards were on the table for a Big 10 title, they(your objective press with an agenda) failed to recognize the All-American they had already written off. You and every cousin of every Establishment journalist had already handed the trophy to Michigan. It's why Bo Ryan got Coach of the Year. We were supposed to lose that game. Zeller made sure otherwise.
And now they keep elevating Oladipo to godlike, MJ, status…MJ? MJ could dribble through traffic in college. If you can't make good decisions in traffic, you're not a 1st team All-American. Give me a break. It's obvious their motives. Get into Cody's head. Polarize by turning him into a second fiddle.
Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
And if they want to even approach objectivity, then you put the entire Hoosier team on the cover. Title the issue "The Hoosier Resurgence"…And you don't forget the Hoosier faces of the last four years. They can be your surrounding politically correct faces. This is March Madness for God's sake…What on earth are you putting faces of water polo players on a basketball issue for anyway?
These are manufactured attempts at polarizing a team…
Zeller is a 1st Team All-American. Hell, he was one last season. The only reason we don't beat UK in the Sweet 16 is because they slap two quick fouls on him and our coach wouldn't roll the dice and let him play. Benched him too long.
And you should lifetime ban bloggers that have such lack of stones they have to call people idiots.
If Dustin chooses to ban me, I will take my punishment as I took a low shot.
I called you an idiot on here, but I would much rather tell you to your face.
Mike P and I agree again!
I get tired just scrolling the page to get past Harvard's posts so I'm not sure how you guys can actually read them.
Aruss, we should ask someone with some extra time to do a study about Harvard's posts over the last two months or so. It might be mildly interesting to determine the following.
1. How many times has Harvard's posts represented more than 50% of all posts on a string?
2. In what string did Harvard make the highest percentage of total posts? What do you think his record is? My guess is that he has strings where his comments represent 75% of all posts. For example, on this string, not including my post, I counted 13 posts made by Harvard out of 24 total posts, or 54.16% of the total.
3. Determine the percentage of total words written on Harvard's average string and the percentage of total words written on the string where he has made the highest number of posts. Then compare that to the next highest contributor on The Hoosier Scoop. While Harvard has only posted 54% of all comments on this string, I'll bet that the total words he wrote exceeds 70% of all the words written in this string (before my post).
Hey Dustin, any chance we can get the Herald Times to sponsor and create Harvard's own blog site? You could call it "Harvard's Soliloquy." And you could justify the incremental cost on the basis that by creating this new site, a lot more people would subscribe and participate on The Hoosier Scoop, thereby increasing the company's advertising revenue.
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Skip to comments.Students of the Great Recession (more people going to college)
Posted on 05/09/2010 5:04:41 AM PDT by reaganaut1
The Great Depression did not have too many silver linings, but it did change the way Americans thought about education, clearly for the better. In 1930, only 30 percent of teenagers graduated from high school. By 1940, after a decade in which there often was nothing better to do than stay in school, the number had jumped to 50 percent. The Depression didnt just make Americans tougher. It made them smarter.
In the years that followed, these newly skilled workers helped create an economic colossus. They were the factory workers, office clerks and managers who built up General Motors, U.S. Steel, R.C.A. and I.B.M. So when our own Great Recession began more than two years ago, it was reasonable to hope that something similar, if less extreme, might take place.
In a historical echo, the share of young adults in recent years who graduated from college happened to be about 30 percent. By any serious reckoning, that number was too low. The gap between the pay of college graduates and everyone else has grown sharply over the last three decades, reaching a new all-time high last year, which suggests that workers with a degree are too scarce a resource. There may indeed be a natural ceiling on how many college graduates a society should produce, but the United States does not appear close to it.
A deep recession has the potential to change that. It can keep people in school, or drive them back to school, in two main ways. First, it reduces the opportunity cost to use the technical term of attending college. When times are tough, you are less likely to be missing out on a good $20-an-hour job by being in class.
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We're trying to get our son (22, NOT living at home) to go back to college full time; there's no better time than now, because he can't find a job and Grandma will 100% bankroll him if he does so.
Of course, he knows what's best, as do all of the unemployed 0bama voters out there. *Rolleyes*
And I totally agree; most of America has been dumbed down to the point where higher education is an impossibility for most...all by design, Comrade. All by design. ;)
People might not be smart enough to study at a college level, but people are smart enough to learn a new trade. During the Depression, technical correspondence schools flourished.
If the result would be a greater output of engineers, great. Unfortunately, the vast majority are going to be in the non-technical areas. Worse yet, more lawyers, MBAs, accountants, and other overhead personnel of which there already is a glut. And almost all of them are impossibly in debt.
About 29% of adults over 24 are college grads and about 1% have advanced degrees. Only about 4% of people with average IQ (100)or lower have college degrees. It seems like there are a lot people who can't handle a higher education (college, at least). As to learning a new trade, apparently there are a lot of people who aren't disciplined enough to complete such training.
So, they major in Political "Science", Ethnomania, Art Appreciation, "Journalism", or Gender Hatred, and along the way are programmed into good little Socialists who vote for "Change".
You beat me to my comment. Most of them will be fluff majors and it'll be even worse than lawyers, accountants, etc. It'll be psych, history, and african american studies majors.
I wonder if there is a single recorded instance anywhere of anyone using anything they learned in african american, gender, women's, etc. studies to improve our international competitiveness.
He also ignores the fact that many people are simply not smart enough to study subjects at a college level, for example taking calculus or producing a coherent, footnoted 20-page term paper using a variety of sources.
It's not just that. Most jobs require at best a 1 or 2 year apprenticeship. Of course that wouldn't support an army of liberal indoctrinators.
Law School Graduates Face a Tough Job Market - WSJ.com
The ability of the Left to put happy faces on this major recession is incredible.
Hell; you don't even have to be a U.S. Citizen to get handouts now.
We've had the Democrats/Socialists create a dependent-class that assures they can stay in office, ALSO living off the earnings of working folks, and voting themselves raises and perks, at will.....
Is this a great country, or what?
How true. I recently purchased a new computer at Best Buy and the sales assistant, an African American, said he was thinking of going back to college to "earn" his masters in Africology.
"And I totally agree; most of America has been dumbed down to the point where higher education is an impossibility for most...all by design, Comrade. All by design. ;)"
Not say that ALL higher education is bad; but most I've seen from higher education are not that impressive IMO.
I think when you look at what some are paying out, and what they're getting in return (for wages) it's not worth it.
I just don't see the returns being worth the initial cost. It's way overpriced IMO.
"How true. I recently purchased a new computer at Best Buy and the sales assistant, an African American, said he was thinking of going back to college to earn his masters in Africology."
....and his work skills will still be on par with what he learned from Best Buy. The End.
The ability? That would suggest they're accomplishing the happy faces. I don't see it.
More like the determination is incredible. I'm sick of it.
America's education system and the choices that students are making is a snapshot of what is wrong with the country in general. Instead of creating a good business environment where creators and engineers and provide good jobs for the workforce, it is government and unnecessary paper-pushing where the remaining growth is.
So we're educating a larger proportion of paper-pushers and artistes ... call me unimpressed.
What is so great about a bunch of people going back to school so they can pile up massive debts and still be unemployed?
Here's one for you. I know a 30+ year old who is starting college this summer. She got a pell grant or something. The kicker is that she's on social security disability for being bi-polar. So, our tax dollars are paying not only for her "disability," they will also be paying for her to go to college.
This woman will never enter the workforce. She has never held a "real" job. She cleans houses or babysits every now and then, for which she gets paid off the books.
Well, I suppose he will still be at Best Buy afterward. Unless he is programmed to resent working for The Man.
A lack of critical thinking, to ask the question, "What will these studies gain me, and what career or earnings benefit do they have?" does not seem to be an encouraging predictor.
Until we dispose of this kind of foolishness, people will be burdened with student loans for absolutely no gain. What a scam.
And where would the "professors" be?
Do you have a source for these statistics, especially the 4% one? I think you are right, but I'd like to be able to cite sources for future discussions.
Let the Media know about her!!!
We have our first woman president!!!
Are you sure she was never a community organizer? That's a sure winner.
The universities created this problem themselves (segregated, useless disciplines like Africology, Women's Studies, etc.) when they refused to honor the spirit of Affirmative Action when it was imposed on colleges receiving federal funding.
The intent was to include minorities in the general hiring pools for all disciplines. Instead, to meet their quotas for minority hiring, they created these grievance departments, which must grow ever more radical to gain attention (i.e. funding) - and minority hiring in real disciplines is still woefully low.
Exactly. Vast numbers of people are graduating from colleges each year. In the past, due to the natural attrition of retirement and a growing economy, there would be room made for them to join the work force. Now the economy is shrinking and people aren't retiring.
The American people are one of the smartest populations in the world.
The myth that the people of the USA are "stupid", "sheep" "dumb" etc is a socialist myth expanded by them to justify their massive intervention in people's personal lives.
They know "better" they are the "smart ones" we "need" them to manage the "stupid" people.
This is how the schools justify the attack on parents rights, how the government justifies its takeover of our freedoms.
To see the majority of posters on a site like Free Republic not only embrace the myth but expand on it is music to the socialist's ears.
The American people are not stupid, they do not need a sugar daddy to take care of them. A college grad no matter what the major he/she takes is smart enough to mange their own lives. A high school grad from American schools is smarter than the majority of the world population.
Yes there is indoctrination and yes their is some stupid people in any population but using one or two anecdotal examples to paint a broad brush for the entire population only furthers the myth and allows the socialist takeover of this country to continue on pace.
As a college professor, I can tell you that more people going to college is not necessarily a good things. There are many students in college today who clearly do not belong there. Either they are too lazy to do the work or they lack the preparation. I have one General Education class where one of the poorest students in the class told me he was a graduating senior. He wasn't a major from my Dept, but it shocked me nontheless. Have a BA/BS degree today is probably the equivalent of a HS diploma circa 1950.
And I totally agree; most of America has been dumbed down to the point where higher education is an impossibility for most...all by design, Comrade. All by design. ;)
Yes, it IS all by design and the current "higher education" system is a disgrace.
Personally I think our greater need is to return to the school system we had when a high school graduate had a high school education rather than continue to send people to graduate school and hope they have a high school education at the end of it all.
Take a look at the WISC-IV book. That is the most used intelligence test.
Should set him up well for the "Community Organizer" career path... (cough)
I forgot to mention that she's also bisexual. Add that to the list of her presidential qualifications!
Sometimes I think we need a lot more history majors! If Americans knew more about history they might not be so quick to fall for the leftist line. They would be aware that all these "new ideas" are very old ideas that have been proven wrong time and time again.
Actually I just learned that someone I know casually who is a successful local businessman is...a history major.
Seriously, we need to have history taught in the first twelve years as it used to be. I have yet to meet a recent university graduate, history major or otherwise who knows all the history I learned in public schools. I only remember part of it myself but that is sufficient to surpass the knowledge of history of almost anyone I know who is under forty years of age.
Then there is the matter of knowing how the government is SUPPOSED to work. While still in high school my generation had to learn to write a description of how a bill originated and how it traveled through the house and senate, the process of presidential approval or veto, how a veto could be overridden, and much, much more. We probably knew more about the functioning of congress than most newly elected congressman do now. Most young people now seem to know just about zero concerning that subject.
We also studied the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution from beginning to end. We went over each amendment and discussed what it was intended to accomplish and how it had worked out in practice.
There are some now who say that history is a waste of time, I say look at the condition of this country and realize that the major, some might say the sole cause of this mess is a failure to learn from history.
It is good to have engineers, scientists, physicians but even they need to know the history of the world if they are to be responsible citizens.
I have a test from one hundred years ago to graduate eighth grade— there's plenty in higher education that could not pass it.
Nobody is saying the people are dumb; more like the education system is dumbed-down and over rated, and or over priced.
I'm saying the opposite of what you think; with the exceptions of the practical degrees there are plenty that are not worth what you get out of it in regards to wages. Also, I believe there's a lot fluff requirements that can be learned on your own simply by going to the library.
See post 24, you made to clear him up.
Like I told him, I have a test from 100 years ago that was published in a local paper about 6 years ago. The test was to graduate 8th grade.
I couldn't pass it.
I'm thinking of posting it but I had have to type it word for word.
This has been my whole point. People aren't getting the returns they normally get in regards to wages in the first place, and now it's much worse.
"War is Peace," "Freedom is Slavery," "Ignorance is Strength."
Wasn't that trend going on well before that? Not saying that the Depression didn't have an effect but perhaps it wasn't as strong a cause as the author implies.
I think we push too much for college. We don't need every high schooler to be on a college path. Its wasteful. Many jobs that require college degrees now don't require college skills so we are wasting time and money in educating as many in college. I support a much stronger push for vocational skills.
Shocking isn't it? I can tell you she is definitely not alone as this is a common practice among welfare recipients as well. The practice of enrolling for college with enough credits to carry one's benefit through to the next period to show the gubmint they are trying (and then dropping courses)is a popular one.
It drives me barking mad! Their job is to figure out how to obtain money from the government, but they don't see it as taking from other people.
Only about 4% of people with average IQ (100)or lower have college degrees
I am surprised that it is as high as 4%.
I completely agree.
One of the goals of the communist party was to get control of the schools. And...Yuri Besmenov, the former KGB, spy warned us about the communist goal to DE-moralize our nation.
That we had put in place in the mid-1800s to early 1900s a system of socialist-funded, socialist-modeled, single payer government schools made this infiltration of the schools, its unions, and central planning committees much easier for the communists. It would have been harder if we educated our nation's children in thousands of single and independent private schools.
It seems to me that conservatives will rally themselves to oppose individual legislation or to oppose truly flagrant Democrat politicians and policies. Conservatives though have NO LONG TERM PLAN TO RE-MORALIZE THE NATION.
If our nation is to survive we must shut down the government schools. Government schools are socialism and socialism can not be reformed. Conservatives must find a way to get our nation's kids into private conservative schools.
There's only one problem with your proposal; that isn't how history is taught at the high school or college level.
Once upon a time, students learned about American exceptionalism and the genius of the founding fathers; the Constitution and the electoral process. Unfortunately, much of that has been replaced with "history" that treats all ideas (and ideologies) equally, while downplaying, ignoring or heavily criticizing the contributions of our founders, and the Judeo-Christian priciples that guided them.
If you want an example of how American history has been altered and twisted by political correctness, look at the treatment given to George Washington in any textbook. Then, compare that to the new Washington biography (discussed on Glenn Beck's program on Friday), or if you prefer, Douglas S. Freeman's definitive, multi-volume study of our first commander-in-chief. You'll quickly discover that today's history courses are nothing but exercises in P.C.
I'm all in favor of history being taught in our schools. But to do a proper job of it, we need a new generation of historians and scholars, who (in turn) would train the history teachers. Unfortunately, both the academy and the public schools have been consumed by political correctness and liberalism. These days, about the only young people who learn "real" American history are the home schoolers and kids fortunate enough to attend a college like Hillsdale.
"Conservatives though have NO LONG TERM PLAN TO RE-MORALIZE THE NATION."
Nobody does, young people who have been brought up on political propaganda presented as truth have no way to know the real truth. They may awaken to the fact that they have been lied to all their lives and realize that our so called mainstream media is only a propaganda arm of the left but that won't make them know the truth, in and of itself such an awakening will merely leave them confused and unwilling to trust anyone. I certainly don't have the answer. I feel as if I have been transported to another world. The world I grew up in no longer exists except in memory. In a few more years it may not even exist in memory.
I wonder if I can go back to school and major in Vikingology.
"Have a BA/BS degree today is probably the equivalent of a HS diploma circa 1950."
Oh, if only I could agree! I am convinced that on average it is actually equivalent to no more than tenth grade at best. I ENTERED public school in 1950 and have no college, only a high school diploma. I would be willing to wager that if I could sit down and take a 1950 high school final exam now I probably wouldn't pass it but would most likely outscore almost any Ba or BS holder I know who is under forty years old. Most recent college graduates would fail miserably in English, in History, in Biology, in Civics and in Literature (these were all required subjects in my day).
Just from reading the posts here on Free Republic it is appalling to me how many conservatives believe that government schools can be reformed. UNBELIEVABLE!
I see the following:
**Government schools would be fixed if they eliminated the Department of justice, banned unions, taught phonics and the basics, stopped indoctrinating, had a sprinkle of prayer in the morning, fired all the teachers, went back to the 60s, 50s, 40s, ran for the school board, had more conservative teahers ....(pass the barf bucket)!
Another good one is "This isn't happening our child's school!" Yeah! Right! ( with eye roll)
It is amazing to me how few conservatives even recognize that government schools ***ARE** the very essence of socialism! Of course the children will learn to be socialists if they become comfortable with taking their neighbor's money to pay for a service that their parents want for FREE!
I am EXASPERATED!
If our nation's children attended private conservative schools, in 10 years our nation's college classrooms would be filled to the brim with youth who were well prepared to defend their faith and our nation's founding principles. There would be strong conservative and Christian clubs, fraternities, and sororities. Their Marxist professors would wither before their righteousness.
In 15 years righteous young adults would be taking their places in academia and all of our cultural institutions.
In 20 years the nation would be RE-moralized.
I suggest the following:
Conservatives should organize education foundations. The foundations would award grants to individual conservative teachers who would open one-room schools in their homes. (This would be a tremendous cost savings since their would be no building expenses.) The foundation would test the students, certify the teacher, and approve the curriculum.
The foundation would start community wide sports programs ( as well as the cheer leading "rah rah" that goes with that) and run community-wide music, theater, dance, and art programs
Universities and colleges across the nation have endowments in the BILLIONS. Harvard alone has an endowment of 35 BILLION! If government had never interfered with the private education market perhaps by now we would have equally endowed K-12 education. It is possible that by now no child in the U.S. would ever need to spend a dime in K-12 tuition.
If conservatives can endow colleges and universities I believe they could be persuaded to endow K-12 education.
BTTT and a hearty AMEN! Government school indoctrination is what inevitably produces sheeple who will vote in Comrade Obama.
It is like aiming a water pistol at a raging Marxist forest fire. Homeschoolers are only 2% of the nation's K-12 population. ( At very best 5%.)
"If conservatives can endow colleges and universities I believe they could be persuaded to endow K-12 education."
I hadn't thought about it but I am sure that we would be better off if most of the millions given to universities had been given to fund tuition at private K-12 schools. If every student who wanted to learn were given an honest high school education we could close most of the universities keeping just enough of them to handle those who really qualify for advanced education. As it is we have thousands going to universities to become credentialed so they can get a job of the sort that used to be done by high school graduates or even high school dropouts. Much of our current university system falls under the heading of high priced scam.
When my mother, who is 96, graduated from **8th** grade she knew far more than many of today's high schoolers and college grads! She did go on to graduate from high school which was very unusual for women in those days.
If we had seriously endowed private **conservative** K-12 education we would have no need for the wasted money and YEARS out of young people's lives that are now spent in college.
There was a time in our nation that it was **common** for young teens to be admitted to college. Why? Because they had been privately tutored, or attended small academies, and were fully prepared for serious college level work.
By the way, my homeschooled kids entered college at the ages of 13, 12, and 13. They finished all college general courses and Calculus III by the age of 15. Two earned B.S. degrees in mathematics by the age of 18. The older of these two earned a masters in math at 20.
The oldest of my homeschoolers did is doing equally well and is working on an M.B.A. in accounting. He chose to go to school part-time while training full time in a sport. He also worked full-time for our church in Eastern Europe for several years and, as a result, is completely fluent in Russian.
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Maverick was a good movie.
saw it tonight pretty accurate to the Book, there were a few scenes that made me wonder if I was watching a Porno, the sex scene's IMO took away from the movie, and I don't need to keep seeing Dr. Manhattan's twigs and berries every 2 seconds, I mean it's the freaking movies you can't tell me that they couldn't have done some tricky photograph to keep me from seeing that.
lol i was like WTF? I mean they could've put some underpants on the guy so we didn't have to see blue CGI penis for 2 1/2 hours.
Not as good as the book and really looooooooong. Kinda disappointed. The director sure did have a thing for the male butt and penis. First movie Ive seen where the men parts got three times as much time as the female parts.
Posted March 8, 2009
Part of the original comic book was that Doctor Manhattan was naked, so I mean they were just staying faithful to the book, while weird, I mean look at the guy who wrote Watchmen, Alan Moore is a weird guy. Some of the acting was pretty cheesy, and if you didn't read the novel, you'll be really confused, seeing most of it is a bunch of symbolism and imagery.
Posted March 9, 2009
you can still give the appearance of being naked without me having to see Dr. Manhattan's family jewels every 2 seconds.
Posted March 10, 2009
I was just desensitized to the penis from read the comic book. I mean, its just a wang! I really enjoyed the movie. It wasn't 100% faithful to the comic, but that would have been impossible. It was a good time. If you didn't read the comic, then it would have been pretty confusing, hence why it only grossed $55 million opening weekend. Its not for everyone, but I liked it and will be buying the uber edition on Blu Ray when it comes out.
I hate they cut out the whole pirate scene. That was one of my favorite parts from the novel.
i'll wait for the bootleg
it'll be on the dvd
Posted March 30, 2009
I finally saw this movie this weekend and was incredibly impressed. Having never read the book/graphic novel, I figured it would be another batman/spiderman/superman deal, wow was I wrong. This was a great movie that had an awesome theme and underlying tone. It's movies like this that have meaning and substance that get ignored over absolute shiite movies like "there will be blood" that make me wonder about the idiocy of the people who determine what movies are good and bad. This one is absolutely worth seeing.
I saw it this weekend as well and would tell people to see it.
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Other browsers need add-ons to do this, if they can do it at all, but Konqueror has this ability natively and can report a false name either to all sites or just the currently accessed site. In the settings, users can even switch off the ID completely or not define their own (Figure 6).
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Would this apply to the part in Oliver Twist when Oliver looks at the painting?
"Not my best side" is a perfect and humorous example of Ekphrastic
Does the term "ekphrastic" need to apply to one form, usually poetry, enlarging on or developing the theme or content of another art form? Then, is Grapes of Wrath, the book, referring to the song or poem, from the Old Testament? Or is it referring to photographs of the time?
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