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Years ago, my first taste of independent comics came via Matt Howarth's Those Annoying Post Bros. And since then, I've always found myself attracted to Howarth's visual style. So when my pal, AdHouse big chief Chris Pitzer, offered me a chance to email interview Howarth, regarding his new book The Downsized (set to be released in March) I was borderline giddy. This is an interview where I went in thinking I had done an adequate amount of research about Howarth's career, but I was pleasantly surprised to learn there was a hell of a lot I did not know about. After reading the interview, be sure to check out the seven-page preview of the 80-page book (described as "A parent's 50th wedding anniversary gives old friends a reason to reunite and take stock of their lives."). My thanks to Howarth for tolerating some of my ignorance to make for a solid examination of his creative interests.
Tim O'Shea: My first question is not uniquely about The Downsized, per se–but rather your work as a whole. How did you come upon the way you draw people's hairstyles? No one else (with the possible exception of Art Adams) draw hair in quite the unique way that you do (and I mean that as a compliment).
Matt Howarth: Years ago a friend remarked how weird my characters' hair was, forcing me to analyze why. I'm afraid the reason is more a limitation on my part than any stylistic choice. I've never been very adept with a brush; technical pens are my preferred instrument because they afford me more control over the lines. So instead of inking hair with supple brush strokes, I resort to dotted lines. As far as the overall shape of my characters' hairdos, I don't perceive hair as a collection of strands but as a mass, not unlike a piece of cloth draped atop someone's head. All rationalization aside, I'm afraid I draw hair the way I do because that's just the way it comes out.
O'Shea: I was really struck how the first panel of The Downsized took a point of view that features dialogue, yet with no characters shown. What promoted you to go with that shot–and did you hesitate to try it that way?
Howarth: That's purely a cinematic thing. Set the scene first, then have the characters enter from the wings. It was a way to deal with someone answering a door. I fret over details more than over settings, the latter comes instinctively, leaving me to agonize over the little things…like the open suitcase sitting there–implying that we're in a hotel room.
O'Shea: As you note yourself, this book is a departure from your typical work, in that it is a modern day, slice of life story. Has this been a story you've had developing in your mind over a number of years? Any interest in doing more slice of life tales, or are you satisfied with that genre after this one spin?
Howarth: Technically, this is my second slice of life tale; the first was "Magnesium Arc," a oneshot comic back in the 90s that told the story of fledgling electronic musicians as they progressed from practicing in their basement to their ultimate career goals. There was one chapter that deviated from reality in that it depicted an episode of a sci-fi cartoon series for which the band did the soundtrack, but the rest of the story was totally conventional. The same holds true for "The Downsized," with the exception of a subtle twist at the end, the entire story occurs in the real world.
My mind is prone to pursue strangeness when it comes to storylines, and in the real world there are strict guidelines (i.e.: laws of physics or social conventions) that act as limiting parameters. In storytelling, the writer is supposed to focus on an aspect of humanity as the crux of the tale…but my personal inclination is to get lost in the weird trappings that surround the characters, whether it be an alien world or a completely unrealistic scenario. I struggle to guide humanity back into the story, but often find myself constrained by the indigenous situations. Political or theological ramifications of our time have little bearing on a character's motivations if they live on a gas giant planet halfway across the galaxy a few hundred years in the future.
"The Downsized" gave me the opportunity to explore a story where the characters were the central issue. While it's a tale of people surviving off-the-books, the real focus is each character's perspective–not how they survive, but how that survival has changed them.
Initially I was inspired by the 50th wedding anniversary gathering of the parents of a friend of mine. I was fascinated by the idea of a bunch of family members reunited for such an event and how it enabled them to catch up on each other's lives, how people from a central unit could evolve in different directions, emotionally and careerwise, and how the economic crunch could crush those aspirations. Actually, there's very little autobiographical about the story. All of the characters in the book are concoctions of my own mind created to illustrate various points. Any aspects that might have been derived from real life were scrambled and mutated to fit the story's purposes.
While my forte remains tales of the weird, I am not adverse to doing more slice of life works. In the old days, I tended to do whatever stories occurred to me; these days I find myself tailoring the work to fit the needs of potential publishers. If somebody approaches me to do more slice-of-life stuff, I'll do it.
O'Shea: A cat plays prominently in the story. How early in the development of the plot did you arrive on the use of the cat as one of the story's focuses?
Howarth: The wedding anniversary gathering was my first building block in constructing the story, but the sick cat was a close second tangent. This part does come from my own life. Back in the 90s, my wife's cat had a stroke. Since Stasy had a 9-to-5 job, the task of caretaking the sick cat fell to me. I arranged a special spot in my studio where I could keep an eye on the cat while I worked. We didn't do much socializing during this period, since we needed to be around to watch the cat and tend to her needs. Going to our friend's parents' anniversary gathering was one time we "dared" to leave the cat alone for a period longer than an hour. We set the cat up on some baby-pads on the bed and hoped for the best. When we returned home, we found the cat in the living room. Although paralyzed by the stroke, the cat had managed to climb off the bed, down a hallway, down a flight of steps (ouch!) and over to the middle of the living room. She not only survived this journey, she began to regain her capabilities. I was really impressed by the cat's resolve to overcome adverse conditions and resume her normal existence. The synchronicity of this linked the anniversary gathering and the sick cat in my mind, so they became the central lynchpins of "The Downsized."
A lot of times this is how I build stories: starting with a concept or aspect and concocting the story to accommodate the parts I feel like dealing with. It's not a very professional way of going about crafting a story, but luckily my mind seems to go with the flow, devising connections and progressions as I move along.
O'Shea: In my mind, one of your greatest abilities is to create characters that stand out in a story and stick in readers' minds long after the story is read. For The Downsized, one of those characters is Uncle Marty. I have to know, do you have someone like Uncle Marty in your family or in your life?
Howarth: Nope, sorry. Being a lifelong smoker, I've come into contact with a lot of people like Uncle Marty–those who disapprove of other people's habits and those who feel compelled to force their own choices on others. I'm very intolerant of well-intentioned advice, especially when it's just a reason for people to try to force their own beliefs on me. I'm very comfortable with my vices and if the time comes for me to shed them, it'll be my choice.
O'Shea: Most of your work has been self-published, and yet in the case of the Downsized, it's published by AdHouse, how did it land there?
Howarth: It's a misnomer to think that the majority of my work is self-published. During the 70s, I started in self-publishing, but I swiftly spread out to working for a variety of publishers. This diversity has continued throughout my career, doing work for Fantagraphics, Dark Horse, Heavy Metal, DC Comics, TMNT, Aeon, Rip Off Press…ah, the list goes on and on, including a six year stint doing comics for a local newspaper during the late 80s. I even find time to squeeze in some commercial jobs. Yet all along I continued to self-publish things–mainly because my output is far more than any group of publishers could possibly handle. Since 2000, I've adapted my work to computer technology, which allows me to self-publish in digital form and avoid printing and warehousing costs. But during the last decade, I've still done numerous series and oneshots for a variety of publishers. I'm like a water faucet that's stuck and can't be turned off; things just keep on gushing out.
As to how "The Downsized" ended up with AdHouse…like so many things in my life, circumstances just come out of the blue and fall into place. Chris Pitzer had ordered some of my mail order stuff, and I noticed the company name on the envelope. I Googled AdHouse and then inquired if he might be interested in publishing something by me. Despite the plethora of material I produce that sees publication, there remains a wealth of unpublished work waiting to find a home. Interested publishers are welcome to inquire about this stuff.
O'Shea: A majority of your stories are black and white comics, is that a fiscal necessity or do you prefer working in b&w with most of your stories?
Howarth: For the first thirty years of my career I concentrated on the B&W medium for a variety of reasons, the strongest being that most independent publishers weren't interested in wrangling with color expenditures. I'm completely self-taught, so I never really had an art teacher to urge me to expand my techniques. I dabbled in color, mostly with magic markers for covers, but frankly I was never pleased with what I did. My work tends to be very precise, and markers are just too bleeding hard to control. The introduction of digital technology to my studio changed all that; it afforded me the ability to work in color in a means I could more effectively control. Since then, a lot of my self-published material has been full color (among them four Keif Llama graphic novels). Color has drastically altered the way I ink things, too, for all that dotwork and those thousands of tiny lines can get buried by color, so I've stopped wasting my time and now I rely on color effects to compensate for those missing elements. Which doesn't mean that I've stopped doing all the detailed inking for B&W work–it all depends on how the thing's going to be reproduced. An example would be the "Stalking Arr" strip which was done in B&W, but Heavy Metal wanted the art colored–so I colored it. Doing so was somewhat problematic since the inking was quite dense in parts and all that detailing got buried by the colors. Fortunately my color sense is somewhat garish, so the bright colors didn't entirely swamp the details.
O'Shea: I would be remiss if I did not ask, do you listen to music as you work? If so, what was in heavy rotation while you worked on The Downsized? On the other hand, is there any music that you would recommend folks listen to while reading the story?
Howarth: Music has always been an integral part of my work process. And it often creeps out of the inspiration department and right into the stories, like with all the musicians who appeared in my Savage Henry series. It's pretty obvious that I'm obsessed with fusing music and comics.
Alas, I did "The Downsized" back in the mid-90s…so I'm afraid I can't recall whatever was used as my sonic fuel. My tastes in music tend to be somewhat eccentric. Let's see…mid-90s, I was pretty immersed in the techno scene, so it might have been: Orbital, the Future Sound of London, Spicelab, a lot of stuff on the (now defunct) Harthouse label. But my choices tend to switch according to mood or whatever I've just gotten, so who can say for sure. Some of my mainstays are: Tangerine Dream, Hawkwind, the Cure, Heldon, Bill Nelson, Frank Zappa, Wire, Magma, Gong, Miles Davis, Frontline Assembly, King Crimson, Can, Cocteau Twins, Front 242. As an audiophile can tell, my tastes are all over the place and not really centrally confined to any one genre.
As to a recommended soundtrack to read the story…I would suggest something nostalgic to the reader, for that might capture some of the tale's reminiscent nature.
O'Shea: Without giving aspects of the story away, there is an element of the narrative that goes on another plane of existence to a certain extent toward the end. I was struck at how you conveyed that with a shift in tones for the pages. Was that a look you arrived upon after trying it other ways, or was that always the way you had planned?
Howarth: What you see is how I saw it. By dealing in tones, certain aspects are immediately separated from the reality of the tale–an easy visual cue for the reader. There are a variety of ways to achieve this forced difference. In the Doctor Thirteen oneshot I did for Vertigo, I used different panel borders to mark different types of scenes. This time, gray tones seemed to better fit what I wanted to convey.
O'Shea: I know you had a new strip ("Stalking Arr") in the January 2011 issue of Heavy Metal, but what else do you creatively have coming up in 2011?
Howarth: As I mentioned before, I'm obsessed with combining comics and music, so let's return to that fixation as a lead-in to answering that question…
Most artists with strong musical interests would have been happy doing album covers, and I've done my share of them–but for a looong time I've wanted to take it further and do stories that would come as part of an album and the music would be a soundtrack for the story. All through the 80s and 90s, I continually pitched these type of projects to labels and publishers, only to be shot down. Publishers would tell me, "This is an album, you need to talk to a record label," while labels would say "This is a comic book, you should be talking to a book publisher, not us." The advent of digital technology abolished those restrictive parameters. Suddenly the comic could be put on the CD as a digital file, avoiding any printing costs. Consequently labels were more receptive to the idea.
A percentage of my work during the last decade has pursued this life-long ambition, and as a result this stuff has gone unnoticed by the comics field. I've done several of these collaborations (with Klaus Schulze, Hugh Hopper, Quarkspace, Radio Massacre International, Conrad Schnitzler, Galactic Anthems, Mental Anguish, Michael Chocholak, Syndromeda, Heuristics Inc, Bill Nelson, Arthur Brown, and more bands).
The Bill Nelson project is due to be released soon–that's definitely the most ambitious of them. "The Last of the Neon Cynics" will include an entire graphic novel, over 100 pages and in color. The process involved a lot of back and forth between me and Bill, coming up with a story we both liked and incorporating Bill's suggestions into the work. There's a scene in which the hero serenades the girl over an electric campfire–that part was left undone in the initial run-through. So Bill wrote a song for the hero to sing featuring some psychedelic guitar alongside some twangy cowboy riffs. Then I added a scene in which the hero plugs in a computer program to teach him to play guitar. This program offers the hero different guitar styles he could use, and avatars of Jimi Hendrix and Chet Atkins try to convince the hero to pick them because their music will give him more of a romantic edge. (Laughs.) "May you never hear surf music again."
Another example of collaborative interaction happened with the Radio Massacre International project. I came up with the story which was then approved by the band. While I was working on the comic, RMI came over from England and played a radio concert on Star's End on WXPN in Philly. I got to sit in my studio, working on the comic while listening to the concert on the radio. When the comic was done, the band did songs directly inspired by the story. When it came time to hand off the album to a label, the band wanted to include part of that radio gig as a second disc–did I have a problem with that? Ha–of course not. They had no idea that the gig had already been integral in the story's creation. Adding the concert to the project was just collecting all the diverse influences together.
Effectively these music collab projects are simply a revival of concept albums from the 70s, this time providing visual stories to back up the thematic music. One must keep in mind that most of these collab projects have involved instrumental music, so the connections between the story and the music rely heavily on the emotional content of the songs. And the song titles.
Other up-coming music collabs include albums with Ozone Player (a musician from Finland) and another with UK synthesist David Wright (for this one I wrote a text story instead of a comic strip).
I've also been doing a lot of writing and have produced over fifteen prose novels since 2000, most of which were self-published in digital form and are available as digital downloads or print-on-demand volumes via my online catalog (www.bugtownmall.com). Currently I have a few novels being considered by a variety of book publishers. And there's a stack of other novels waiting to find homes.
My production rate is remarkably fast. I could get killed tomorrow by a meteorite and there'd be enough finished previously unpublished stuff to keep fans entertained for another decade.
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Nov/Jan/Feb is considered "cool season" by Thai standards, especially up north. So there will be some warmish clothing available in shops/markets, or just go to Tesco Lotus or Robinsons (department stores). You'll at least want a pully/jumper/sweater to cope with the aircon at the airport and during the flight, before hitting the UK weather on arrival.
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Thanks for that. I hadn't thought about the mountains and I know how chilly they can be. Mentally prepared for the travels, not so sure I'm looking forward to coming home to a grey, wet, cold London and spending the next month in a seriously depressed state wondering why I've returned?!
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I guess I could do a 'I'm 'ard as nails, me', but think I'd prefer a modicum of warmth however pathetic.
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One thing about kitties: even in the sadness, there is always another looking for a good home. New kitties are not replacements... I've never met two that had the same personality. In the hundreds of cats we've worked with, no two could be said to be the same.
I hope your kitty comes home and lives a long, happy life with you.
Prayers for your kitty. :(
It's not like it used to be. I took in 2 cats for 'some' not all— shots and a $30.00 blood test just last weekend...it cost me over $300. I don't buy clothes or go out or eat much.
Amen to that...no two cats are ever the same..
I hate losing a pet more than anything. However; I would ask that your wife consider my tag line...it brings one great joy to be able to save a kitty (or two, or three, etc...) from the 'Green Mile'. Even your local shelter may have some very handsome kitties that would LOVE a chance at life...
It seems to me that it would be more humane to give a 17 year old sick cat the green needle but it's not my money or cat. Still, I'm afraid that the green needle is coming and the doctor took them for $3000.
I held my noise voting for him in the general just like I did with McCain. No surprise to me.
Did anyone tell Crist State money is not in the Senate version?
More diplomatic deals with Iran. Evidently not enough heroin is reaching the U.S. and the Democrats need Iran's help.
My wife takes the loss of a pet very hard. It'll be months before she gets over losing her cat when it happens. This cat was there for her when she was going through a divorce and bankruptcy. Kitty provided comfort to her when she had some major surgery (before we were married).
It'll be a while before there is another "Kitty" in the house.
One of the very few things Gerald Ford ever got right was telling New York City the fed government would not bail them out.
I remember the headlines in the NYC papers: Ford to NYC: Drop Dead!
Bless your heart! I'm fortunate that my vet takes pity upon me and charges very little above his cost for me.
So why didn't the Bamster tell the country what was in his stimulus plan while he was running for President? He's shocked now that the people don't support it?
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One of the very few things Gerald Ford ever got right was telling New York City the fed government would not bail them out.
I remember the headlines in the NYC papers: Ford to NYC: Drop Dead!
Wonder of wonders; NYC dug themselves out. Only to elect others to dig bigger and deeper holes.
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I'm so sorry about Kitty. Prayers.
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He knocked it out of the park.
"$3000 for a 17 year old sick cat!?"
Now I take exception to your remark. You have gone over the line.
We who have pets will go to any means to cure/save our pets even if it means going over our budget. They are part of the family. More than that, they give unconditional love, which we as humans aren't really good at 100% of the time.
I always think there is something lacking/missing in humans when they don't like animals. Something is just out of order in their personality.
Take this as a scolding not that you will change your ways. But do not put us animal lovers down for spending our money to save a family member.
Angel, my 15 year old black cat, sends you his love.
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Unfortunately, it helped Jimmy Carter become President.
If you're old and sick, Daschle wants you to shut up and die.
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She gives me breaks....but I know the cost of business is so high for them, so I don't mind paying....my kitties are worth it....and I like this vet alot. I dont' mind wearing 20 year old clothes and eating mashed potatoes from a box every day of the year...:) not really a joke...
I have 2 dogs and a cat. I have always had a pet. I love pets. It's just my opinion that the sick 17 year old cat isn't going to make it even if $30,000 is spent on it. A healthy 17 year old cat doesn't have long. The doctor who took the $3000 should have explained this to them.
Didn't Obama claim last week that the American people WANT this bill? does anyone have a link on this???
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all out of all surveyed say— CALLS SAY NO TO THIS BILL!!
LOL - but I wonder how AARP is going to spin this to their members.
Elderly people have a duty to die ... How Dickensian, "Are there no prisons, Are there no workhouses. They'd better die then and decrease the surplus population."
I'm sure s/he did...but that is a very tough decision to make at the time. Do you want the guilt? Do you want the pet around a couple more years? Will this decision be regretted? It's not just about money.
Yeah, that's always a tough decision. When we put Purrcy down, I felt almost like I was playing God with his life. But after the necropsy, I wondered if maybe I had waited too long.
C'mon Rush - this IS a jobs stimulus bill. Every time an old person dies, it creates a job. Burial, flowers, hell, maybe their kids will get what's left a little sooner. Not to mention that the Government will get their cut from the death tax.
Stalin, Lenin, Hitler and Mao couldn't tear a country down this fast.
He has to go...
This is the official abandon the elderly contingent bill. Bamster knows that once all those millions of illegals are amnestied, the Dems don't need AARP anymore.
AARP is a worthless insurance company.
I'll bet this wouldn't apply to, say, Ted Kennedy...OR Tom Daschle. But it would sure as heck apply to US!
That's how I am. My vet is fair and has always been very kind and generous to me. He also is very pragmatic when it comes to treatment and offers sound advice.
It's nice to know he cares about the animals.
I had to put down my beloved dog, Bozo, and cried for a week but there was nothing that could be done for him.
A Marxist revolution from the top down.
The 1960s street rabble and their ideological issue are off the streets and in business attire manning the federal government's instruments of power. They just need a few tweaks to make Marx it.
BTW, listening to Rush and his description of what is in store for the elderly (Dem Gov. Lamm: Old people have a duty to die and get out of the way) I say again:
Government health care is THE solution for the Social Security funding problem. Few Baby Boomers will survive past age 65.
It's soooooooo Marxist! The deaths of a couple of people is a tragedy. The death of millions is just a statistic.
She did. She made no guarantees. My wife wasn't ready to let go at that time and Kitty got about half a year more.
Things are different this time around... we're prepared to let Kitty go if it comes to that.
They would bankrupt the Treasury to keep a liberal like Kennedy alive.
I lived in Scotia in my elementary school years. I remember the snow nearly reaching the second floor of the house several times. It was great fun, for a kid. I always wanted to jump out the second floor window into the stuff, but that ice layer that always seemed to form on the top kept me from thinking that a good thing to do.
Besides, who would close the window after me? My father's belt would have found me for opening a window in winter.
It sounds like Rush is being flippant today? Is he taking this stimulus bill seriously? I will hear it tomorrow....
I hope I'm wrong. Good luck to you and your wife and of course, your cat.
AARP however get their members to vote in larger numbers than young people ... and they will not take kindly to being cast aside like yesterday's garbage.
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Posted on 08/13/2005 6:16:13 AM PDT by BulldogCatholic
Pop culture heroes help recruit priests By Julia Duin THE WASHINGTON TIMES August 11, 2005 An edgy poster showing a somber Catholic priest in full black cassock and sunglasses posed like "The Matrix" star Keanu Reeves is proving so popular that the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has snapped up 5,000 of them. They'll be distributed starting Monday to the thousands of young people attending World Youth Day in Cologne, Germany, not only as guests of Pope Benedict XVI, but as targets for some gentle recruiting. The poster's creator, the Rev. Jonathan Meyer, 28, associate director of youth ministries for the Archdiocese of Indianapolis, says pop culture is the key to attracting young men to an occupation that has gotten bad press.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
New Candidates for the Novus Ordo Seminaries are being taught that If You Want to Be a Pop Star, the Vatican II Church Wants You! In Desperation to Attract Anybody to Be Novus Ordo Seminarians
Traditional Catholics Say: "Garbage In, Garbage Out" What does a "modernist" organization like the Vatican II church do when it can't get seminarians? Why, create a new ad campaign, of course! It is well known that "vocations" to the New Order presbyterate are virtually non-existent. What man in his right mind could have a "vocation" to "preside over the assembly" and sit in a big chair idle while lay ministresses deliver the "eucharist" and "perform" the sacraments?
The best figure predicting the demise of Vatican II church is that of seminarians. In the United States, before Vatican II always a vigorous source for new priests, the number of seminarians fell from 48,992 at its peak just before the Vatican II changes changes started going into effect, to 4,522 in 2003. That is a drop of some 90% in less than fifty years!
What we know is that, as far as vocations are concerned, it is the traditional Catholic Faith enshrined with Latin and Gregorian chant that attracts vocations to traditional seminaries and journeyman-priests.
But the Vatican II church, is going to the cheap ploy. It seems that to attract Novus Ordo "vocations," the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has commissioned an "edgy" poster showing a somber presbyter in full black cassock and sunglasses posed like The Matrix star Keanu Reeves. [Washington Times]
Following the "saintly" leadership of JPII to sell to "pop" culture, 5,000 posters will be passed out at Benedict-Ratzinger's Woodstock Youth Day in Cologne later this month. Dioceses are borrowing from Tinseltown to compare the Newchurch presbyterate to the heroes of Lord of the Rings, Gladiator, Men in Black, Spider-Man, and Star Wars.
Supposedly, potential post Vatican II seminarians are inspired by cartoon characters, not Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Paul, let alone Christ!
According to the adage, "Garbage in, garbage out." One can only imagine what kind of presbyters the Vatican II church is going to have, if any. If these men ever make it through the "pink curtain," you will hear fatuous "homilies" praising Luke Skywalker and Obi Wan Kenobi instead of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
As a member of this "Novus Ordo" Church, I agree, this is nuts.
But I think you have to watch what you are getting yourself into. There is a danger in extreme Traditionalism, I am not saying you are there, but one must be careful lest they fall into it.
Is Benedict XVI the Pope? If you are silent on the matter, I will assume assent. But one wouldn't want to fall into sedvacantism.
God Bless
Are priests "recruited" or are they called by God?
To momentarily go to their defense, I would hope it is not so much about recruiting priests, as pleading for openness to the call from God. I think many Catholic men might be called to the priesthood, but do not respond for various reasons. Just a thought. I am not saying using the Matrix is a good idea, it is nuts.
..."If we can get high-school youth to hang a picture of a priest in their room, that's huge in helping young men to answer the call to the priesthood..."
.. Because we want young men to know that being a priest is, like, totally awesome... and chicks dig it...
Well I think he is the Pope but a bad one at that, misguided and taught by the likes of Rahner and Kung. The same goes for JPII. Extreme Traditionalism? If you know the root meaning of the word "traditionalism" and what Tradition means, how can one ever to "to attached to our Lord" or the Apostolic teachings that were handed down? If one takes it to the level of being violent and uncharitiable (that is unprovoked), then I shall agree. But to follow the teachings of a man who opened the church to questions and uncertainty in Lumen Gentium just by adding the simple words "subsists within", it is he who under pre-Vatican II definitions would himself be heretical. If I am not mistaken was not Kung and Rahner, Ratzingers mentors not at one time Outlaws of the church, only to be their poster boys after Vatican II? Are the post Vatican II church now saying that they were in error for the first 1962 years and have now "righted the ship"? No-it is they who need to defend THEMSELVES that they are not heretical, all Traditionalists are doing is following the teachings of the church as they were for centuries
God bless you
By no means am I saying there were no problems with Vatican II. Indeed there were many, but sadly, it is not the sole reason for the ills of the Catholic Church (too many American Catholics or European Catholics have embraced the materialism, pick and chooseism of our society).
Neither is Tradition a bad thing. But I do not think all is over. I do see a movement, however gradual back to the Traditions of the past. I hope and pray and believe that in twenty-five years the Novus Ordo Rite will be radically different from the c--- one often gets at Mass today (if you go to that).
God bless you
So I guess you are talking about the same "springtime" that JPII was trying to sell before he died, like WYD (ever notice the WYD cross is not a crucifix, I guess to appease the Protestants in the name of ecumenism?), the same "springtime" John XXIII promised at V2?
The myth that is popular among certain Catholics is that things have gotten better in the last decade or so, coinciding primarily with the pontificate of John Paul II. Actually the statistics don't bear this out in fact, the rate of decline has accelerated in some cases. Look at the number of priests.
In 1975, three years before JPII was elected, there were 58,909 priests. In 1980, two years after his election, there were 58,621, a one percent decrease from five years previously. But the pace of the decline has picked up since then 57,317 in 1985; 53,111 in 1990; 49,947 in 1995; 45,713 in 2000; 44,874 predicted for 2005; 37,624 in 2010; and 30,992 in 2020.
Seminarians: 17,802 in 1975; 13,226 in 1980; 11,028 in 1985; 6,233 in 1990; 5,083 in 1995; 4,719 in 2002.
Sisters: 135,225 in 1975; 126,517 in 1980; 115,386 in 1985; 103,269 in 1990; 92,107 in 1995; 75,500 in 2002. . . .
Look on the bright side, he is actually wearing a cassock, as opposed to the black shirt and pants that one usually sees modern priests wearing.
True.. it's good as an attention getter, as you say, to nudge to a young man into thinking the priesthood is a great thing to give their lives to. I always get queasy when Catholicism goes down to the level of pop culture for any reasonto go along with whats hip, to get along in the world. Its a very dangerous slippery slope. Protestants are expert at adapting trends and repackaging the word into a trendy coating. Its natural when Sola Scriptura is the lodestone of Christian faith. But I shudder when I see magazines like Refuel and Revolve-thats a Christianity in Dhimmitude to materialism. Catholicism is difficult-it's going to disappoint the "Omigod-praise the Lord, that cute boy asked me out!" crowd.
The cassock is a nice touch. Now the original Matrix movie is about a Christ-like figure (not really; but he functions that way), who comes to save those blinded by the Matrix, a pretty nasty place in that all of humanity is enslaved. I think the point those responsible for this poster are trying to make, is that people today are enslaved by sin. I would certainly agree. This might work if you can see past the "style" which is very shallow and, of course, the two movies which followed the original. : )
. Outside of Free Republic one never runs into these kooks in real life. My Parish is huge, multi-cultural, multi-lingual, filled with converts, producing vocations and assorted ministries. Of course the springtime is here. But, it ain't noticed by those whose delight is dissent, detraction and depression.
I thought we Christians would be known for our living our lives in joy in Christ.
And, as Peter Kreeft says if you want Joy in your life, think of JOY as an acronym. Jesus. Other. Yourself.
To hear some self-described traditionalists in here one would think he was hearing Satre; Hell is other people - especially the Popes since the death of Pius XII.
I agree with your points-Matrix did have your basic manichean good/evil elements as a modernist hook-they could have done much worse! We're lucky here in the Mordor of Liberalism (Toronto) to have a very conservative St. Philip Neri Oratory with 14 cassocked matrix priests and a sung Latin Mass :)
First off even the Novus ordo Post Vatican II church cant even get the poster right as their "priests" have not worn cassocks in over 40 years!
They are a sad group of old 1960 and 1970 radicals who are dismayed at the turn of events their expirimentation of the "flower power" years took. Only this time they took a generation of catholics with them
I would never let my children be catechised by this group of femi-nazi slack wearing "hip" nuns and Priests not to mention the laity who have taken over most of the teaching themselves as there are no priests left at the NO church and they themselves have no idea what the faith is.
My children are learning their cathechism from the 1917 Baltimore catechism taught by nuns who look like nuns.
I once asked these wonderful group of woman if they get hot and if they ever are jealous of the Novus ordo nuns who dress in "regular" clothes and do you know what their reply was? They all said that wearing the full habit and traditional garb as all past nuns have, and the black which gets very hot is only a small sacrifice to pay for the suffering our Lord went through on calvary and his mother at the foot of the cross, and getting a bit hot in the summer is nothing as compared! (and this one traditional church here in NY has already over 50 nuns, many of them teaching nuns as they have pnly been around since the late 1980's!) I was taken back as well as my wife. Amazing. The Traditional Catholicism has the Holy spirit guiding them as they are convinced what they are doing is correct as they have almost 2000 years of history and teaching to fall back on.
When you talk to a Novus Ordo supporter or pastor, all they ever can rely on, cause they despise anything that is pre-councilar is JPII "Theology of the Body" or some other vague document that has a nice mix of conservatism and liberalism all packaged up nicely. So sad
Vatican II was announced in 1959 and convened in 1962. The Peace Corps wasn't conceived until 1960, and not founded until 1961. The kind of "vocations" you ridicule would be conciliar, not Traditional. Not that you should let silly things like facts get in the way of celebrating the New Springtime...
Outside of free republic one never runs into these Traditional kooks? Well I hate to tell you but they are all around you, and if these kooks "societies" had the unlimited resources as the Vatican, and were able to build church for church, there would be no one less at the NO mass or the church for that matter
As far as other discussion boards, you are correct as many of them ban any discussion on the horrors of the church and especially Vatican II and topics are limited to "womans clothing", "JPII (the new poster boy for the Vatican II church", some scripture (from the politically correct retranslated "New American Bible" (the V2 church even had to retranslate the Bible as the DR bible was just not PC enough for them and actually might be considered anti-semitic and not ecumenisitic enough) etc etc
How can you defend this anti catholic doctrine the church teaches now? It deviates from everything the church taught for 1962 years. It is the church which has stopped being Catholic, not Traditionalists.
If Traditionalists are in error today, then the church was in error pre Vatican II and we all know that is not the case
I would trust St Thomas of Aquinas over Annibelle Bungnini anyday!
*I don't participate in your heresy the Church established by Jesus teaches "anti Catholic doctrine."
Sorry you have lost the Faith. Blaming others won't help you get it back. Prayer will.
First off even the Novus ordo Post Vatican II church cant even get the poster right as their "priests" have not worn cassocks in over 40 years!
I am assuming that when you say Novus Ordo priest you mean any priest who celebrates the Novus Ordo Mass whether in Latin or the Vernacular and whether he wants to do so or not; not having the Indult to say the Tridentine Mass in his parish. As for the cassocks, my Novus Ordo priest does indeed where a cassock and the other priests around my parish in Detroit also where their cassocks. Feel free to come and see for yourself.
They are a sad group of old 1960 and 1970 radicals who are dismayed at the turn of events their expirimentation of the "flower power" years took. Only this time they took a generation of catholics with them.
A number are radicals, most are the go along type and a few; and growing number, are very true to the teachings of the Church from all the documents of the all councils and all the encyclicals. To one degree or another the vast majority of Novus Ordo priests serve the Church and their congregations; some much better than others, and sadly; a few not at all.
I would never let my children be catechised by this group of femi-nazi slack wearing "hip" nuns and Priests not to mention the laity who have taken over most of the teaching themselves as there are no priests left at the NO church and they themselves have no idea what the faith is.
Even in the rather liberal archdiocese of Detroit there are priests who do indeed teach catechism and teach it properly. My pastor insists on the use of the Baltimore catechism. A number of the younger diocesen priests I know, while wanting to use the Baltimore catechism and other worthy materials, have to wait until they get their own parishes.
My children are learning their cathechism from the 1917 Baltimore catechism taught by nuns who look like nuns.
We have nuns that look like nuns, meaning full habit and they also teach catechism from (gasp), the Baltimore catechism.
I once asked these wonderful group of woman if they get hot and if they ever are jealous of the Novus ordo nuns who dress in "regular" clothes and do you know what their reply was? They all said that wearing the full habit and traditional garb as all past nuns have, and the black which gets very hot is only a small sacrifice to pay for the suffering our Lord went through on calvary and his mother at the foot of the cross, and getting a bit hot in the summer is nothing as compared!
I once asked one of our full-habited, (black, dark grey and wool), Novus Ordo nuns if they got hot, (even here in Detroit it can get pretty hot in the summer-especially this summer), and how they managed. She didn't liken her suffering to the Blessed Mother or to our dear Savior, she simply and humbly stated that you get used to it.
When you talk to a Novus Ordo supporter or pastor, all they ever can rely on, cause they despise anything that is pre-councilar is JPII "Theology of the Body" or some other vague document that has a nice mix of conservatism and liberalism all packaged up nicely. So sad
Yes, it is indeed sad when a person paints with so broad a brush as you like to use. I do agree with you on this one point. The Novus Ordo Mass is what I think of as Mass-lite. I do believe it is valid, because the Church teaches that it is, and there are some things about it that I appreciate. Having said that, I admit most Catholics and their pastors who want the Novus Ordo in the vernacular only, do indeed seem to fear the Tridentine Mass. As to the documents of the Church, I doubt many of these lay Catholics understand what a pre-conciliar document is, much less if they agree with the document or not. And, those who do understand have not read the documents of Vatican II, certainly where the use of Latin and Gregorian Chant are concerned.
Most Catholics are used to the Novus Ordo Mass said in a language they can understand, and unfortunately, would feel like a fish out of water if they went to a Tridentine Mass. I wonder, though, what Christ wants of us most. Does he want us to leave the Church, to deride Her clergy because they do not live up to our standards; or, does He want us to stay by Her, with Her, in Her through all Her trials and tribulations?
I was not upset. And please note that Latin is really not the issue with most conservatives/traditionalists (well maybe some). A Traditional priest said recently at a retreat that the traditional societies would take the "Old Tridentine rite" in the vernacular (as long as the ICEL had nothing to do with it!) than the New Mass in Latin, which the Pope is trying to do and really is not the issue. The issue is the words of consecration were changed, 70% of the prayers thrown out, etc etc
God bless you
The question I always pose to those who throw the "schism" thing around is as follows, and I note you have placed much emphasis on the Bishops from another thread, is as follows:
If the Pope or for that matter tomorrow told you that he (she? soon to be?) told you to that Buddah had much to offer and as at Fatima where JPII allowed the Hindus to worship, your diocese as well as most other dioceses except for maybe 10% of the church's (which will still allow your Novus Ordo Mass but with "modifications") and you were to start incorporating some of the ways hindus, etc worship into your liturgy (and the Bishop can do what they want as we all know)...what would you do?
That is the same question that many Traditional Catholics were faced with after Vatican II and in the past 40 years. We have been told that we must worship like Protestants, only we are still going to call ourselves Catholics. No-you may have been able to sell that "obedience" line to the cafeteria catholics and the Kerry supporters who are Catholics (some 50% of catholics voted for the Pro abortion Kerry as well as Clinton). But it does not work on those that are real "Catholics" as handed down from the Apostles.
This is so absurd. You obviously know nothing about the reasons for the production of the NAB.
Early in 1944, in conformity with the spirit of the encyclical, and with the encouragement of Archbishop Cicognani, Apostolic Delegate to the United States, the Bishops' Committee of the Confraternity of Christian Doctrine requested members of The Catholic Biblical Association of America to translate the sacred scriptures from the original languages or from the oldest extant form of the text, and to present the sense of the biblical text in as correct a form as possible. ...
The Books of Genesis to Ruth were first published in 1952; the Wisdom Books, Job to Sirach, in 1955; the Prophetic Books, Isaiah to Malachi, in 1961; and the books of Samuel to Maccabees in 1969. (Preface to the NAB Old Testament)
Note the dates; I'd be interested in your explanation of how the "V2 church" could be issuing translations in 1952.
You are speaking of the Roman Canon, what the Church now calls Eucharistic Prayer I. Yes, in English the translation is poor, in Latin, it is the same as it always has been. So, Latin really is the issue here. It is indeed unfortunate that the beautiful prayers at the beginning of the Mass were tossed out, I think it had more to do with laziness than anything else. Also, intellectuals often sell us regular folks short and assume we don't understand what's going on, they have to simplify things so we'll "get it."
One of the sadder things about the English Mass are the translations of the Collects. My understanding is that before the vernacular you could choose among several missals for the translation you preferred, from very erudite to the more pedestrian. Even the less learned translations I've read are vastly superior to the bland and tasteless ICEL translations that must be used for the vernacular Mass today. But, I do appreciate the fact that there is a clear Epiklesis in Eucahristic Prayers II and III. I also like being able to say the Lord's Prayer.
Is there a picture of it anywhere?
Sorry, I didn't scroll down enough.
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Thank you!
Your dates are correct. I have a New American Bible, and it is older than Vatican II!
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