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- 1 Where is full documentation?
- 2 Semi/colon
- 3 Mailto Escape
- 4 We could use a smaller picture
- 5 Where is the article.
- 6 what does this mean?
- 7 Space Within External Link?
- 8 Suggestion for a keyword index
- 9 Updating section: Blend link
- 10 Amending titles
- 11 Apostrophe after italics
- 12 Brackets within the link of the "File:"
- 13 External links
- 14 Pronunciation
- 15 {{Unicode|}}
- 16 Wikipedia: wiki markup is cool!
- 17 Definition lists
- 18 HTML v. wikimarkup
- 19 android problems
- 20 Indent and outdent
- 21 Introductory Video Inappropriate
- 22 References in other languages or "Who holds the truth"
- 23 Rework
- 24 Magic links
- 25 formating question
- 26 semicolon issue?
- 27 The "==heading==" code is misleading.
- 28 Underlining
- 29 Should the output of redirects be shown?
- 30 {{Expand list|date=August 2011}} {|class="wikitable sortable"
- 31 small-size text
- 32 References and citing sources table
- 33 Just coming and going
- 34 Where to go with help requests?
- 35 Formatting dates and numbers
- 36 get a grip of reality, get a wyswyg
- 37 Green font?
- 38 formatting computer program examples
- 39
 formatted text does not wrap, thus text may extend past the browser window:
- 40 Onlyinclude in transclusions
- 41 March 2016
- 42 http: https
Where is full documentation?[edit]
This page is missing a bunch of tags. For example it does not document <ref> or <source>. Where is either a link to this documentation or the description itself? Thank you. Jrincayc (talk) 13:40, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
- I'm afraid as far as I know this is the page that gives the best index, and yes needs more work ... the link for 'source' is hidden away, (mw:Extension:SyntaxHighlight GeSHi), and any mention of 'ref' seems to be missing!
- I started a section on using references, I only know a few attributes myself so please help by adding any I missed Frequencydip (talk) 17:56, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- (Wikipedia:Footnotes), please list any others you find missing. --Lee∴V (talk • contribs) 19:48, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
The page Help:Wikitext examples used to have examples for the 'ref' and 'source' tags. Until someone deleted all the text on that page and made it into a redirect[1]. Is it better to (a) unto that delete and restore that page, or (b) merge all the information that was on that page into this Help:Wiki markup page? --220.127.116.11 (talk) 05:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Just a little warning: The documention will always be incomplete, since Wikipedia is changing and programmers are known for being lazy with documentation (like everybody else: see the summaries in page histories). -- Tomdo08 (talk) 10:00, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
I just added a semicolon and colon to the text describing it, to show examples, and given the following results, I'm guessing said description is incomplete:
- A semicolon at the start of a line
is not displayed, but has the effect of rendering the newline.
- A colon in such a line is not rendered,
but has the effect of starting a new, indented line.
I really have no idea what a semicolon is supposed to do, but that description is inaccurate. —Frungi (talk) 04:10, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
- Fixed. A semicolon at the start of a line renders the line in bold. -- Ϫ 10:09, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- I hadn't looked at the HTML source before, but a semicolon renders as a

element, and a colon as a

element, which implies they should be used as such:
- I hadn't looked at the HTML source before, but a semicolon renders as a
- Term
- Definition
;Term :Definition
- Reply
In practice, semicolons are usually used to make a very minor subheading – one that will not appear in the table of contents. With colons used mostly for simple indentation, this means that they are very rarely paired with semicolons, despite the HTML implying that they should be. But we ought to explain to people what the semicolon does so they understand why some subheadings are formatted very differently from the
== heading styles. In effect, the Wikitext semantics have now diverged from the HTML semantics, despite the Wikitext being converted to

 and

 when rendered. — Richardguk (talk) 02:43, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
- I thought subheadings beyond ====a certain level==== stopped appearing in the table of contents. I could have sworn I remembered reading that somewhere. I could be wrong though, as I don't have time to check right now. And in the interest of accessibility, shouldn't Wikitext use HTML elements that make semantic sense? The use of
 and
 don't. —Frungi (talk) 01:02, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
- The level up to which level the table of contents displays subheadings is something you can set, see WP:TOC. There is a MoS reqirement that consecutive headings shouldn't skip levels (so no second-level heading followed by a fourth- or sixth-level heading), see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (layout)#Headings and sections and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (accessibility)#Headings. As the semicolon is used in FA-rated articles for the very purpose of non-displayed sub-headings, I think it shouldn't have been removed from the help page, even if the HTML is strange. --Rontombontom (talk) 09:50, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
See also WP:PSEUDOHEAD. fgnievinski (talk) 03:20, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
Mailto Escape[edit]
I am looking for a way to link distribution lists internally. For example [All Employees] is a distribution list setup for us to use with Outlook. It uses brackets as an indicator for a distribution list. I would like to add mailto links. When I try to use html code or the nowiki indicators, I always end up with something that is non-functional. Any ideas? -CoolCole 16:52, 13 May 2010 (EST)
- I don't know what you mean by a distribution list in Wiki, but email links work the same as HTTP links. —Frungi (talk) 17:03, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
- What he means is that the distribution list doesn't function because the mailing list has a space. It ends up having "mailto:[All" as the link, and Employees] as the text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 22:20, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
We could use a smaller picture[edit]
If we used a smaller picture in the images section we could reduce the size a little ... and bring the instructions closer together, don't know what picture, something simple, colourful? anything really. We could replace image on the cheatsheet to reduce its size a tad too... I like the WP globe - but we do have it in the top left already ;) Lee∴V (talk • contribs) 12:14, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
- Problem
- PDF of this page has malformed table (goes off edges of display/paper) in Images section (pages 16-18).
- Cause
- All other tables are 766 px or less wide, but the Images table is formatted to 1027 px by unknown means.
- Code Fix
- Unknown. Firebugged the code but table absolutely refuses to narrow using either direct code or CSS. D***edest thing I've ever seen.
- JimScott (talk) 05:26, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Where is the article.[edit]
Looks as if Gedionye 9 Oct 2010 has replaced the entire article with Ethiopian DVDs or somesuch. Also looks as if it's happened before several times. I'm new to this. Will look back in a few days. Maybe this person should be blocked.Wodawik (talk) 04:43, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
what does this mean?[edit]
I was wondering what does the following tag does? <nowiki/> Thank you, Bud0011 (talk) 16:41, 17 October 2010 (UTC).
- See Help:Wiki markup#Limiting formatting/escaping wiki markup. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:48, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
- An empty nowiki tag (ending with a slash) probably wouldn't do anything… does it even have any effect? Unless it was a typo, that is, in which case, PrimeHunter is right. —Frungi (talk) 17:08, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
<nowiki/>can be used to prevent certain characters from having a special effect at the beginning of a line (such as an asterisk, hash, colon, semicolon or equals sign, which are usually interpreted as wikimarkup at the beginning of a line) or, less commonly, from having a special effect by being adjacent (such as pairs of braces, tildes or square brackets, and wikitable markup). — Richardguk (talk) 04:40, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Space Within External Link?[edit]
I made a template that includes a link to an external page. I use this wikitext:
[www.domain.com/whatever.php?variable={{{code}}} Link Title]
However, the "code" parameter is meant to contain a space, so my link is broken and the last half of the parameter is included in the Link Title. Is there a way to force the URL to not break because of the space? I tried surrounding in quotes, but this didn't work. Soave (talk) 04:12, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
- You can't use %20? —Tamfang (talk) 05:15, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
- Try wrapping it with
{{urlencode:}}; see mw:Help:Magic words. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 18:04, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Try wrapping it with
Suggestion for a keyword index[edit]
How about we make a section at the top which lists various keywords e.g. <nowiki> as above and link them to the relevent sections ... should help a few people out? Lee∴V (talk • contribs) 10:57, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
- Almost sounds like a markup glossary. Something like that would definitely be useful. WP seems to be missing that sort of documentation. —Frungi (talk) 06:05, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Updating section: Blend link[edit]
I am planning to update section "Blend link" for better clarity, to note "Some endings" are blended. Also, will explain use of "<nowiki/>" or smaller "" to suppress the blending. The nowiki-slash tag seems to add 44 bytes to the post-expand size (versus 4 bytes for ""), and might be a problem when used many times. Internally, a nowiki tag typically stores an identifier, such as: , rather than just 4 bytes for "". -Wikid77 12:10, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 is never valid, it should be . ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 12:25, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Amending titles[edit]
How does one amend the title of an article? (I need to add an accent to make a name correct.)—User:Philipparham (talk) 17:28, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- See Help:How to move a page. Questions no related to markup should be asked at the Wikipedia:Help desk. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 22:46, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Apostrophe after italics[edit]
How can I render the following:
- Italic text's yadda yadda
in wiki markup? If I type
- ''Italic text'''s yadda yadda
the formatting is greedy, not lazy, and so it takes the first ' as the apostrophe, so it gets italicized, not what I want. 184.108.40.206 (talk) 01:39, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- Use {{'}} (see Template:'):
- ''Italic text''{{'}}s yadda yadda
- produces
- Italic text's yadda yadda
- ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 04:54, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- Use {{'}} (see Template:'):
Two ways to do this:
|Renders as
''Italic text''{{'}}s yadda yadda
Italic text's yadda yadda
''Italic text''<nowiki />'s yadda yadda
Italic text's yadda yadda
---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 17:59, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Brackets within the link of the "File:"[edit]
I try to use this format [[File:someimage|link={{{place}}}}]] by placing a value of the parameter to link to the article, but some of the editors give the value within the infobox in square brackets.
If we add the value as:
is OK, but when we do:
, we can't link to the article. Is there a possibility to solve this problem?--WlaKom (talk) 23:20, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
- Is this because this is the wrong link...
External links[edit]
Wouldn't it be simpler to state the characters that need to be encoded rather than the characters that don't:
Single apostrophes do not need to be encoded; multiples will be parsed as italic or bold markup
---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 20:18, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
I was just trying to learn about the proper way to do word pronunciation guides in an article. So I went to Help:Editing which lead to this page. I expected to, at least, be referred to the places that talk about it. Alas, nothing.
Does it make sense to have an Adding Word Pronunciation section that has a brief description with links to the appropriate pages? Donpayette (talk) 14:31, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Well, I added a small Pronunciation Aids section to get it started. Add, delete, modify to your hearts' content. Donpayette (talk) 21:37, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
what is
{{Unicode|}} ? --Qdinar (talk) 13:05, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
- See its documentation here. Also with most templates you can write
{{Tl|Unicode}}to get a link ("Tl" stands for "Template link") in a display of the template like this {{Unicode}}. fgtc 22:39, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia: wiki markup is cool![edit]
I love the Wikipedia: wiki markup section because you can change text into colors like this. Thanks Wikipedia! CPGirlAJ (talk) 22:22, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Definition lists[edit]
I would have hoped that we had moved beyond the simplistic idea that everybody sees our output in the same way. Far too many articles misuse definition lists to produce bold markup as if non-visual user agents didn't exist. If we use this sort of markup ;Notes, we will produce this html:

Notes

which is a definition list. See http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/lists.html#h-10.3 . Although it may look like bold markup to a sighted reader, anybody using a non-visual agent will hear the start of a definition list, but no definition. We should not be making our text any more confusing for the visually-impaired than we have to, so I have removed our (dated) advice to use this markup in order to avoid the subheadings appearing in the table of contents.
Ideally third-level subheadings should be marked up as third-level headers (using ===). I understand that some people dislike seeing them in the table of contents, but in that case, please use
{{TOC limit|n}} or simply mark up the subheadings as bold, as that at least is harmless to most screen readers. --RexxS (talk) 16:08, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, I see there was more that I missed and that you're seeing the TOC-limit option, too. All goodness; carry on. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 16:15, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
HTML v. wikimarkup[edit]
There are several sections that cover HTML, not wikimarkup:
- Line breaks
- Center text
- Text formatting
- Special characters
- Invisible text (comments)
And some sections cover templates:
- "As of" tag
- Pronunciation aids
---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 12:32, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
android problems[edit]
This article doesn't discuss android problems or provide solutions, for example why text visible as italics on Windows, i.e. correctly marked up with apostrophes, is displayed without italics in android 4.0.4. --Espoo (talk) 12:45, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
- You're probably best posting at WP:VPT giving as much detail as possible - not just the browser version, but also which pages are affected, and which wikimarkup is misbehaving. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:53, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
Indent and outdent[edit]
I've changed (I hope enhanced) the description of indent & added outdent - description & reference - mainly because I keep forgetting how to do the outdent when I need it. One is one and one is one (talk) 04:04, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
Introductory Video Inappropriate[edit]
I don't think that the video present next to the table of contents should have been added in the first place because of how it is basically a slideshow covering only some of the article's content instead of a complete, step-by-step tutorial, which would be more appropriate if it were either added to its own section before the first section or after the last one or broken into segments pertaining to each of the article's sections. I also think that the video's creator did not consider the superfluity introduced into the video by its background music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BCG999 (talk • contribs) 01:31, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
References in other languages or "Who holds the truth"[edit]
The ref in other languages section seems wrong in saying "es:plancton" between double square brackets. It does not work, and Jason at the teahouse indicated ":es:plancton" between sq.br., which work. So: what is the reference ??? the proof in the pudding or the manual page (which I hesitate to change, because that has meta-impact. Frederic Y Bois (talk) 20:45, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
- There is nothing wrong with the manual page. Thanks for not trying to change it. As Help:Wiki markup#Link to the same article in another language (interlanguage links) says, there are two types of interlanguage links. The primary one is without colon and creates a link under the "Languages" heading in the left pane of the page, regardless of where the link code was placed. For example,
[[es:Plancton]]is near the bottom of the wiki source of Plankton, but it creates the link on the word "Español" at Plankton#p-lang. The other type of link is with colon and and rarely used. It places a link right where the code is. For example the code
[[:es:Plancton]]is here: es:Plancton. Neither of the link types are allowed as references for the content in an English Wikipedia article. Wikipedia itself is not considered a reliable source by our own policies and should not be used as a reference. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:04, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Please note that the
[[]]markup is not a reference, but a link. See WP:CITEBEGIN to find out about references.
- I'm not sure which page you have in mind when you write "the ref in other languages section", but please see Help:Interlanguage links for details about the difference between
[[es:plancton]](without initial colon) and
[[:es:plancton]](with initial colon). Briefly, both forms create a link to a page on another Wikipedia (in this case Spanish), but the difference lies in where that link is placed. The form without an initial colon puts the link in the left-hand margin of the page, under the "Languages" heading (the link is shown as "Español"); whereas the form with an initial colon puts the link in the normal flow of text. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:20, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
As I get into this, it seems to me that this help page has become rather a mish-mash of information. Much of it is useful, but much of it just doesn't work here. There is a lot here beyond the title subject of wikimarkup. Much is better covered on other help pages.
- Text formatting: this should be moved to Help:Text formatting
- Headings: Help:Section
- Line breaks: Wikipedia:Line-break handling
- Special characters: Help:Special characters
- Lists: Help:List
- Quotations: create Help:Quotations to handle the technical creation of quotations (currently a redirect o an essay)
- Links: Help:Link and Help:URL
- Pronunciation: Help:IPA
- Images: Wikipedia:Picture tutorial
- Tables: Help:Table
- References: Wikipedia:Citing sources, Help:Footnotes and others
- Templates: Help:Templates
- Talk pages: Help:Talk
- Limiting formatting: Help:Text formatting
- Variables: Help:Magic words
--— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:04, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- mish-mash is an understatement! Not wanting to decipher text that is actually examples of marking up is the same reason why I stay away from crossword puzzles, or that sudoku stuff. Suggest instead a sample page each from a number of featured articles, and listed underneath the markups used therein, and explanations for them. I would guess that 99% of the population can handle learning it that way. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 02:18, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Magic links[edit]
--— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:58, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
formating question[edit]
I need how to write a caret notation in italic (this not related to any wikimedia project, but urgent). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8422:1191:6E00:56E6:FCFF:FEDB:2BBA (talk) 20:34, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
semicolon issue?[edit]
Without discussion here, someone added a new markup restriction as a hatnote. I took it out:
If this is actually a problem, why is there no discussion of it here? What about the thousands or millions of pages that use it? Can't we get the techies to make it make valid HTML5? I bet they do already. Dicklyon (talk) 01:47, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
- I added that.
- Now this page fails W3C markup validation for Help talk:Wiki markup for "Element dl is missing a required instance of child element dd." The HTML5 specification states "You must pair at least one

...
with at least one

...
." In wikimarkup, this means that every ; must have a :. Using definition list markup to simply bold a line is semantically wrong. If you want to file a bug, go ahead, but currently it is a bad practice.. -- Gadget850 (Ed) talk 02:31, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
- Also see discussion on this page at #Semi/colon and #Definition lists. No mention of invalid HTML there, but there have been questions of accessibility. —Frungi (talk) 02:35, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
- I can see why you think it's "bad practice", but it's not appropriate to let HTML5 spec drive wiki markup this way. And this page files the HTML5 test in two dozen other ways, too. The semicolon to bold a line is long established in WP. If it's to be discouraged, let's have some discussion of that. If it needs to be fixed, there will need to be an effort to do so, either in how wiki markup translates to HTML or in a big automated cleanup campaign. Dicklyon (talk) 03:38, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
- And please don't go changing guidelines based only on your own observations and opinions. This needs some discussion by others who know the long history and implications of the situation, I think. I reverted your re-changes. Dicklyon (talk) 04:26, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
- Doing something for a long time doesn't make it right. The semicolon creates a definition list (see the rest of H:DL). If the semicolon is intended primarily to create a subheading, then MediaWiki needs to change how it's rendered into HTML. Until then, using

...
as a section heading or simple bolding creates accessibility issues, and there are less problematic ways to do so (see WP:TOC). —Frungi (talk) 04:59, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
- Just because there are other validation errors does not mean we should ignore the ones we have direct control over. The first few errors have bug reports. A number of the other errors are from signatures with the
tag. Let me ask: how did you learn that the semicolon was used to bold a line? Did you read it in the documentation or did you just copy it from some other use? -- Gadget850 (Ed) talk 10:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
- Related edits at Wikipedia:Manual of Style. Reported validation bugs listed at Help:Markup validation, as is the semicolon issue. -- Gadget850 (Ed) talk 10:49, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
- Just because there are other validation errors does not mean we should ignore the ones we have direct control over. The first few errors have bug reports. A number of the other errors are from signatures with the
- Doing something for a long time doesn't make it right. The semicolon creates a definition list (see the rest of H:DL). If the semicolon is intended primarily to create a subheading, then MediaWiki needs to change how it's rendered into HTML. Until then, using
- Excellent question! Like most editors, I suspect, I learned wiki markup byy aping what I saw. Isn't that how it's supposed to work?
- "You must pair at least one

...
with at least one

...
." – does this mean that using colons (

...
) without a previous semicolon (

...
) to indent replies to comments in talk pages is now invalid? o.O — A. di M. 14:13, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, and it's always been semantically confusing (discussion replies are not definitions). But I think accessibility issues are more important on articles than talk pages, and colon-indenting is so endemic that there's no point in trying to get people to stop. —Frungi (talk) 19:16, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
- "You must pair at least one
If Mediawiki emits bad HTML from wikicode (rather than from HTML tags being directly inserted into a message), then that is a bug that should be fixed in the software. Editors should not worry, when they use pure wikicode, about whether it will create valid HTML, and we should not encourage them to worry about it. I agree with the removal of that line about HTML5. — Carl (CBM · talk) 12:04, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
- A lone semicolon line is broken markup, just like a {| without a matching |} is. There is arguably a bug in the software in that it lets such broken markup go undetected and generate invalid HTML, but that does not mean that we should encourage users to abuse it.—Emil J. 12:55, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) If we are to discourage the use of the semicolon wikicode (when used with no associated colon wikicode) because it yields a

which does not contain a

...
, we must also discourage the use of the colon wikicode (when used with no associated semicolon wikicode) because it yields a

which does not contain a

...
. I don't think that we are going to manage such discouragement - the use of colons is too well established (such as when it's used for thread indenting, e.g. at the start of this post) for change to happen now.
- Please note that the structure enclosed by the DL element is now known as an "association list", although it was formerly known as a "definition list". --Redrose64 (talk) 13:01, 12 April 2013 (UTC) amended Redrose64 (talk) 16:06, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
- OTOH, I can't think of many terribly good reasons to use a

...
without a

...
in the article namespace, so just because we'll never use valid HTML5 in talk pages doesn't necessarily mean it'd be pointless to try to use valid HTML5 at least in the encyclopaedia proper. — A. di M. 14:20, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
- Redrose64: Yes, the use of the colon for indent does result in the markup you described. The W3C validation tool does not give an error on this use, so perhaps the tool is in error. I have never understood why the indent markup renders in this manner.
- And to clarify: The HTML5 spec added the must. This markup usage did not fail validation until we switched to HTML5 in Sptember 2012.
- Validation is a useful tool, especially for template editors. We have been rendering HTML5 for eight months now, and still have quite a bit of invalid markup that obscures issues that editors should be able to readily resolve (duplicate anchors is always a problem in manually created references). -- Gadget850 (Ed) talk 15:19, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
- bug 4521 - Colon (:) & semicolon (;) shouldn't output as HTML definition list when used for indentation, boldfacing (2006-01-07)
- So: this isn't the first discussion on this issue, but previously the use did not result in invalid HTML. It hasn't been fixed in seven years, and I'm not going to speculate how long it will take for resolution.
- Therefore, my statement stands: using the semicolon like this is improper and results in invalid HTML. It also results in some oddball markup, such as when a editor desires a bold line, but includes a colon, so they then have to
<nowiki>the colon (real example here).
- But I am not on a crusade: I fix it where I see it, but otherwise I am not too worried about it. -- Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:19, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
- OTOH, I can't think of many terribly good reasons to use a
- (edit conflict) If we are to discourage the use of the semicolon wikicode (when used with no associated colon wikicode) because it yields a
- @Dicklyon, Gadget850, CBM, Redrose64, and A. di M.: Hey guys, did this issue ever get resolved? Shall we or shall we not continue to utilize semicolons to bold a line, like a heading within a section, as is the case all over the wiki? Thanks. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 18:13, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
- Nothing we do here is likely to change the practice or reduce the number of pages that make this html error. If the invalid html5 is actually an issue, we should fix it by changing how semicolon and colon translate to html, not by trying to teach our editors new wiki markup rules. Dicklyon (talk) 19:24, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
- For one, the WikiProject Opera has incorporated the recommended use in its Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/Article styles and formats, so I wouldn't discount recommendations made here altogether. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:28, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- That makes a lot of sense, saying "The format with a leading semicolon is no longer recommended because of compatibility issues with screen readers." Much better than declaring "Do not use" for something that is widely done. It won't fix anything, but it's true that it's not recommended. Like I said, if this is an actual problem, we should address it as such, rather than just put a "Do not use" and pretend we've done something. Dicklyon (talk) 19:48, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- @Dicklyon and Michael Bednarek: Hi guys. I'm sorry to be a noob, but what exactly should all editors do, when they want to make a minor heading within a section, as I had described? You guys can go about discussing or solving any problems and I thank you for that, but what should editors actually do right now? I don't actually experience any problem from using semicolon-powered bold small headings. Is it something that we editors can just do right now, and which can be automatically replaced and upgraded later? I would like to have some designation for small headings, rather than just using three apostrophes and a carriage return to make it bold. Thanks. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 16:38, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- @Smuckola: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility#Headings says "Do not make pseudo-headings using bold or semicolon markup.", it also shows how to make subsections that are consistent with the MoS. There are six levels of heading, four of which (levels 3 to 6) are suitable for use as subsection headings. More at MOS:HEADINGS and Help:Section. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:55, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- @Redrose64: Ok I'll have to think about whether that'll suit practical reality though. For example, I've never seen a References section which contains actual subsections, but I guess they could. I'd have to make a fair amount of use of the {{toc limit}} template sometimes. So I can just try that out. Isn't this issue going to be solved inside of Mediawiki? And can you explain simply what exactly the problem is? I mean who actually sees a problematic symptom actually resulting from the use of a semicolon as a header, and what is the symptom? I mean does some web browser refuse to render something in a way that a human would notice? Thank you. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 01:33, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- @Smuckola: For a References section which contains actual subsections, you need look no further than Great North of Scotland Railway, which is currently on the main page as WP:TFA.
- If you follow the link that I gave to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility#Headings, it says "Do not make pseudo-headings using bold or semicolon markup.", which I quoted above; if MOS:ACCESS advises against a practice, there will be very good reasons for that advice being included on that page, and we find that this is immediately followed by "Screen readers and other machines can only use correctly formatted headings." It is important to remember that not all web browsers yield visible output; there are various types of screen reader where the different elements are described in various ways. People like Graham87 (talk · contribs) or RexxS (talk · contribs) can indicate what these problems are in more precise ways than myself. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:59, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- Indeed. Adding a semicolon to the start of a line makes it read like this with JAWS, the most popular screen reader: "definition list of 1 items, <text>, list end", which is kinda annoying. Graham87 14:31, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- Graham hits the nail on the head. Every visitor who comes to Wikipedia using a screen reader is faced with numerous problems (lack of captions on tables, missing alt text on images, information conveyed only by colour, etc.) and we should be striving to make their experience as pleasant as possible. Even things that are "kinda annoying" to Graham need to be addressed, because I know he is a most extraordinarily tolerant user, and screen reader users with less experience of Wikipedia can be put off by repeated nonsense like empty definition lists.
- For what it's worth, if you want to make a heading, then why not use the wikimarkup for headings? The {{toc limit}} can sometimes be used to suppress unwanted subheadings, but even when it can't, is the TOC in Great North of Scotland Railway so terrible because it contains links to the subsections of the "Notes and References" section? If you can't stand even that and you must have bold 'pseudo-headings' as a visual presentation, then at least use wikimarkup for bold (
'''Subheading''') because that can be skipped by many screen readers. --RexxS (talk) 15:28, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- The matter of using semicolons as pseudo-headings has just come up at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Layout#Headings. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:40, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
- Indeed. Adding a semicolon to the start of a line makes it read like this with JAWS, the most popular screen reader: "definition list of 1 items, <text>, list end", which is kinda annoying. Graham87 14:31, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- @Redrose64: Ok I'll have to think about whether that'll suit practical reality though. For example, I've never seen a References section which contains actual subsections, but I guess they could. I'd have to make a fair amount of use of the {{toc limit}} template sometimes. So I can just try that out. Isn't this issue going to be solved inside of Mediawiki? And can you explain simply what exactly the problem is? I mean who actually sees a problematic symptom actually resulting from the use of a semicolon as a header, and what is the symptom? I mean does some web browser refuse to render something in a way that a human would notice? Thank you. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 01:33, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- @Smuckola: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility#Headings says "Do not make pseudo-headings using bold or semicolon markup.", it also shows how to make subsections that are consistent with the MoS. There are six levels of heading, four of which (levels 3 to 6) are suitable for use as subsection headings. More at MOS:HEADINGS and Help:Section. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:55, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- For one, the WikiProject Opera has incorporated the recommended use in its Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/Article styles and formats, so I wouldn't discount recommendations made here altogether. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:28, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- Nothing we do here is likely to change the practice or reduce the number of pages that make this html error. If the invalid html5 is actually an issue, we should fix it by changing how semicolon and colon translate to html, not by trying to teach our editors new wiki markup rules. Dicklyon (talk) 19:24, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Idea: use a different element for colon markup[edit]
We seem to agree that when semicolon markup is used together with colon markup, that produces a valid association list; and when one is used in isolation from the other, that is invalid. How about somehow persuading the MediaWiki devs to add a feature that identifies where colon markup is used without any preceding semicolon markup, and then uses a completely different method of showing a sequential indent level, one that does not use an association list. I can demonstrate what I mean using the DIV element and a small amount of CSS:
First post
First reply
Second reply
Third reply

First post
We would set up a class, possibly in MediaWiki:Common.css, to hold the
margin-left:1em; together with any other styling that might be necessary. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
: translate to one

...
? So wouldn't it have to be more like:
First post
First reply

Second reply

Third reply

- The problem here is that by closing all open DIV elements, and then opening a fresh set, it means that any one reply is not directly associated with the post(s) above. It's something akin to a colon-indented thread that doesn't observe WP:LISTGAP. Consider first a direct equivalent to my example above, using colon markup:
First post :First reply ::Second reply :::Third reply
- This yields HTML as follows:

First post

First reply

Second reply

Third reply

- Notice how each successive

construct is nested inside the one "above" it. But when we add blank lines, to create a direct equivalent to your example above (again using colon markup):
First post :First reply ::Second reply :::Third reply
- we get HTML as follows:

First post

First reply

Second reply

Third reply

- it's no longer three nested lists, but three separate lists. I imagine that closing and reopening DIV elements would produce similar accessibility problems.
- Since the MediaWiki parser knows not to close the DD/DL elements until there is nothing outstanding, I expect it can do the same for nested DIVs. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:28, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
- I actually hadn't realized colons worked that way. Hm… so then, we should never put a blank line between a comment and our replies, because that messes with the translation. Or maybe we need wikimarkup and HTML/CSS specific to Talk pages. —Frungi (talk) 23:53, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
- bug 4521 - Colon (:) & semicolon (;) shouldn't output as HTML definition list when used for indentation, boldfacing (2006-01-07) -- Gadget850 (Ed) talk 01:00, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
- Aka
mw:Extension:LiquidThreadsmw:Flow. Helder 12:15, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
- I actually hadn't realized colons worked that way. Hm… so then, we should never put a blank line between a comment and our replies, because that messes with the translation. Or maybe we need wikimarkup and HTML/CSS specific to Talk pages. —Frungi (talk) 23:53, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
The "==heading==" code is misleading.[edit]
I think the "==heading==" template should be changed to "==topic==" and "===subtopic===" and "====subtopic of subtopic====". By using heading while showing different text sizes, we indicate that it is a font, instead of an outline.
TheUnknownNinjaNN2 (talk) 14:34, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
- How about adding a line a la "Two == are used for sections, more for sub-sections, sub-sub-sections and so on." to clarify the use? Huon (talk) 05:51, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
What does "a la" mean? That idea does sound better, though. TheUnknownNinjaNN2 (talk) 22:40, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
- It's from the French, see wikt:fr:à la#Locution prépositive also wikt:fr:a la#Locution prépositive, or if you prefer English, wikt:à la#Preposition also wikt:a la#Preposition. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:49, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
As for the issue, should I go make a change? What is the consensus?
TheUnknownNinjaNN2 (talk) 23:30, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
- Don't know what you mean by font. The hatnote for the section leads you to Help:Section, which explains in depth. -- Gadget850 talk 00:17, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Could do something like this, but honestly it looks a bit silly:
|Renders as
== Section ==
=== Subsection ===
==== Sub-subsection ====
===== Sub-sub-subsection =====
====== Sub-sub-sub-subsection ======
—Frungi (talk) 00:41, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, but code DOES look silly. The meaning is made extremely obvious so people don't mess stuff up. I see no reason why someone shouldn't do the same for Wikicode.
TheUnknownNinjaNN2 (talk) 06:19, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
- I meant the wording: "Sub-sub-sub-subsection." But you have a point—that does make the meaning glaringly obvious. It just shouldn't be comically so. —Frungi (talk) 06:40, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
I don't see the comedy. I guess we need an appropriate name for each level?
TheUnknownNinjaNN2(Talk,Always willing to discuss this subject) 07:21, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Dropping out and unwatching?
TheUnknownNinjaNN2(Talk,Always willing to discuss this subject) 20:17, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be an underlining for the general guidelines of writing? I tried adding it twice, all to no avail (because both got deleted). QM400032 (talk) 13:01, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
- I think the consensus is that the subject is sufficiently covered at MOS:BADEMPHASIS and WP:Underlining. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:13, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
- If underlining is to be addressed at all in general guidelines, it should be discouraged—which is why we don't have wiki markup for it (
...is HTML). Or do you have a case where underlining is more appropriate than italicizing? —Frungi (talk) 15:33, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
- I'm sorry that you keep getting reverted, but this page is primarily about wiki markup. While the site also supports a good amount of HTML markup, HTML is not wiki markup, and is not the subject of this page. If a bit of HTML is in common editor use in the project (e.g.,
editingTalk page posts), it may be included here, but I really don't think that's true for
...underlining or CSS background colors. —Frungi (talk) 21:59, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
- Actually, it IS true:
gives you
QM400032 (talk) 01:16, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- Um… okay, really not sure what you're trying to say here. Underlining ellipses is not something that Wikipedia editors commonly do, so my point stands.
- Also, your signature contains no links to your user page or Talk page, so you should probably fix that. —Frungi (talk) 01:26, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- The ellipsis is a standard technique for representing markup whose actual content is immaterial, see the documentation at
{{tag}}. QM400032 (talk · contribs) could have written
some underlined textgives you some underlined text.
- I think that what QM400032 is saying is that since the
...markup does have a visible effect, it should be described on this page. We are not saying that the
...markup should be excluded because it doesn't work - we are saying that it should be excluded from the page Help:Wiki markup because (i) it's not Wiki markup, but HTML, and as such is sufficiently described at Help:HTML in wikitext; (ii) we should not be encouraging the use of techniques that other pages (such as Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Text formatting) have stated should not be used. We should have consistent policies, and apply them consistently. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:58, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- The ellipsis is a standard technique for representing markup whose actual content is immaterial, see the documentation at
Should the output of redirects be shown?[edit]
- NOTE: This thread is about the Help:Wiki markup#Redirects section of the page, and this change (Note added by Quiddity (talk) 08:31, 25 May 2013 (UTC))
In a lot of the examples on this page, the output of the markup is shown alongside the use of the markup. Another editor has attempted to add the output of redirects:
But since redirects generally aren't (and aren't meant to be) seen this way, I question whether this is useful. Thoughts? —Frungi (talk) 17:57, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Alternatively, we could show (Redirected from …), which would be better, I think, but the examples don't name a source page. Problem is this example can't be formatted with existing CSS (it's an IDed

, not a class), so it can't reliably match the appearance; and again, not sure how useful it would be to include. —Frungi (talk) 19:37, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
- Actually, I, as the person who MADE the edit, do see some reasons to make the edit:
- It could be useful for picky users who wish to create a redirect page.
- It gives editors a feeling of how their pages look.
- QM400032 (talk) 01:49, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
- But your second point isn't true. The pages look like the target pages. That's the whole point of redirecting. The process is mostly invisible to the reader, unless something goes wrong (like a double redirect).
- As to your first point, I'm really not sure what you mean. A redirect page is blank except for the
#REDIRECT. Could you clarify your point? —Frungi (talk) 02:43, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
- Added main link to Help:Redirect which covers this in full. -- Gadget850 talk 13:32, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
I've added a "Note" at the top of this thread, making it easier for people who come directly to the talkpage thread, to understand what the hell everyone is talking about. I hope this meme propagates. –Quiddity (talk) 08:31, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
{{Expand list|date=August 2011}} {|class="wikitable sortable"[edit]
Is this document supposed to be a complete reference for the WikiMedia markup language?
If not, then please put a link to the complete reference somewhere in the intro text. I was referred to this page form another summary page and neither is providing any help in trying to understand the language '{{Expand list|date=August 2011}} {|class="wikitable sortable"'
That I find in the article here List_of_cities_in_China_by_population.
The goal is to get the column like "Built-Up Area" to treat the data as numbers and sort appropriately. Instead the data is sorted as if it is text and the first number of the data is sorted, so that 5,000 is before 300 and then 1,000,000 is last.
So two issues:
1) Provide a clear source with complete markup language
2) If you by chance know how to get the table to sort by number, that would be great.
Thanks.Sthubbar (talk) 05:59, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
- There is no single page listing all the possible markup and issues. Within Help:Wiki markup, tables are mentioned in the navigation box at the top right, and in the section Help:Wiki markup#Tables. Both of those take you to Help:Table - a very long page - and from there you can get to Help:Sorting - another very long page.
- I've made an edit at List of cities in China by population, following the advice at Help:Sorting#Forcing a column to have a particular data type. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:22, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
- As John pointed to,
{|markup is how wiki tables are made, and information about it can be found on that page. I really don't think it would be practical to have all of this information collated on a single page; it would be ridiculously long, I think, and harder to find what you were looking for.
- The first thing you mentioned,
{{Expand list|date=August 2011}}, is a template. Templates' effects can be very different from one to the next, but you can find information about them at Help:Template or Help:A quick guide to templates. —Frungi (talk) 07:10, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
small-size text[edit]
I think i'm having a problem generating or seeing small-size text. The instruction for doing that is e.g.:  (this text should appear small) . I know that used to work. (Such instruction is given in this talk page's associated article or Help Page. There do a Find for 'small text'.) But when i do that now, the text at issue does not appear small to me. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Bo99 (talk) 18:09, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
- It looks fine to me: for example, I see this text as a smaller font size; to be exact, it's 9.9px instead of 12.7px. Where have you tried to use
..., that is not working? --Redrose64 (talk) 20:21, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks very much. Your above words 'this text' are the same size as all your other text, on my screen. I got the same type of result when i used the coding   on various test pages, e.g. this test page. The problem is that my Internet browser is Mozilla Firefox, not Microsoft Internet Explorer. I just found an Internet Explorer copy on my pc, loaded it, and now i see that your above words 'this text' are indeed smaller than your other text. So the problem is Mozilla Firefox. I will report the problem to Mozilla. Thanks again. Bo99 (talk) 21:00, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
- I use Firefox... and it's always shown small text just fine. Perhaps you've got a custom setting that overrides this. For example, open the "Tools" menu, and select "Options", then "Content". Under "Fonts & Colors" you should find Advanced; click that, and find "Minimum font size". What is selected from the menu there? --Redrose64 (talk) 22:20, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks very much. Your above words 'this text' are the same size as all your other text, on my screen. I got the same type of result when i used the coding   on various test pages, e.g. this test page. The problem is that my Internet browser is Mozilla Firefox, not Microsoft Internet Explorer. I just found an Internet Explorer copy on my pc, loaded it, and now i see that your above words 'this text' are indeed smaller than your other text. So the problem is Mozilla Firefox. I will report the problem to Mozilla. Thanks again. Bo99 (talk) 21:00, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
References and citing sources table[edit]
i'm confused by this table entry under References and citing sources:
|A complete reference tag
<ref name="WikiMarkup">
{{cite web |url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Wiki_markup |title=Help:Wiki markup |publisher=Wikimedia Foundation}}
in not sure why the url is given as http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Wiki_markup,
instead of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_markup.
i was trying to learn citations, and how to make the "|title=" part of it, so the citation i was making wouldn't be the long messy url. in this example, the url (unnecessarily?) ends with "title=Help:Wiki_markup", which is immediately followed by the markup for the title which is identical except for the underscore "|title=Help:Wiki markup".
does what i'm asking make any sense? i'm a super novice editor, so i'm not sure if there's a reason for choosing one url over the other. ≈Sensorsweep (talk) 18:59, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
- Some websites permit a given page to be reached via more than one URL, and Wikipedia is one such. Any Wikipedia page whose URL is of the pattern
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pagenamemay also be reached as
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=pagenameand indeed also as
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=pagename&action=viewIn general, you should use the shortest form that is guaranteed to reach the desired page. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:27, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
Just coming and going[edit]
My wiki markups just dissapeared. They are there like every fifth edit. How can I get it back? What is wrong? Hafspajen (talk) 00:28, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
- This is an ongoing issue for many people. You might want to follow the discussion happening at WP:VPT#Skin and gadget issues 16 May 2014. — Makyen (talk) 00:44, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hm, now is back... but maybe it was you who mend it? Hafspajen (talk) 01:49, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm having problems with "nowiki" not working. Is this the same problem and is it still being investigated? --Ronz (talk) 18:30, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Ronz: What page is this on? What are you attempting to achieve by the use of
<nowiki>...</nowiki>?? --Redrose64 (talk) 19:16, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for taking an interest. I first noted it on my personal page that I use for notes and reference, where I have items like {{subst:welcomeg}}
that I can quickly refer to and copy: User:Ronz/notes#Spam. I'm guessing that perhaps something previous on the page is interfering...--Ronz (talk) 19:23, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
- I copied the section to the top where it works, so it's likely something is interfering. --Ronz (talk) 19:28, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
- Ah, you mean the UNIQ...QINU stuff? See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 128#some sort of mediawiki error is happening. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:15, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for taking an interest. I first noted it on my personal page that I use for notes and reference, where I have items like {{subst:welcomeg}}
Where to go with help requests?[edit]
Hey guys. I'm having trouble with my Talk page in that all the text is being put on the right-hand side. I've just recently come back to Wikipedia after a 4-year hiatus so am unfamiliar with all the intricacies of its codes, so where could I go to get assistance in making new messages and so on go and stay on the left - and indeed if further formatting problems arise in the future(not sure if this is the right place)? I don't actually remember having this issue before... Would appreciate pointers! AyrtonProst Radio 12:50, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
- There's a "close table" markup (
|}) missing above the first section header, after your archive box. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:13, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
- @Ayrton Prost: There's also a spurious
- if you replace that with the
|}table-end marker, it should fix the layout. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:40, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
- It worked! Thank you so much, friends! AyrtonProst Radio 13:54, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
- @Ayrton Prost: There's also a spurious
Formatting dates and numbers[edit]
I know this page is about wiki markup, but considering the fact that the Help:Formatting page redirects to Help:Wiki markup, then I think the page should include a little bit of information about templates like {{date}} and {{val}}, because this is where the users will land if they try to learn about formatting the text.
I am an experienced user (I would say) but I just had to ask silly questions at Wikipedia:Help desk#Date conversion templates because I did not know where else to look for.
If those things don't fit here, then Help:Formatting should be a distinct page, teaching about such templates.
Also, there should be some "Formattting disambiguation" since there are many distinct formatting guides:
- Wikipedia:Formatting == Wikipedia:Text formatting
- Help:Formatting == Help:Wiki markup
- Help:Text formatting
— Ark25 (talk) 21:45, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hi. While I'm not an expert I'll attempt to answer your query.
- Templates are a big problem, at least how I see it. The main problem being the vast number of them. Now you're probably aware that Wikipedia:Template messages exist which is hierarchical list of templates, divided into the following. For main (article) namespace there is a total of 17 sub-categories listed. In addition, there are 8 other boxes, for templates usually used on other other namespaces. Also, the is a navbox at the bottom which has a handy search function, as well as another search box on the page.
- Now if you look through these you'll notice just how many are listed. And there is a lot. Now if all these were transferred to the wiki markup page it would impossible long. It is just not possible.
- My advice, if you want to look up templates, is to try to use Wikipedia:Template messages which, although it looks unfriendly, is actually pretty comprehensive, if you include the navbox and serach function. If you can't find it there the Help desk is again a good option. Don't forget that there is an archive search function in addition. Other ways of getting help are listed at Wikipedia:Requests and Wikipedia:Questions.
- Now Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Text formatting is written from a different perspective to wiki markup. Its focus is the article guidelines on text formatting presentation, rather than the actual coding. So I feel a merge would not be good. As for Help:Text formatting it looks like someone started it but didn't really progress. But with a lot of work it could be helpful, but probably be mostly stuff included here.
- I too had similar issues trying to look for the right template specific to the needs I was looking to achieve. Until I stumbled across Wikipedia:Template messages, and found it to be extremely useful. And now I have my own templates toolbox with links to templates that I use most often, including a pipelink to WP:TM - bit of a handy toolbox to have. Perhaps creating such toolbox for oneself with a list of templates you use the most as a quick reference guide, and displayed on your userpage would be a good idea? Plus if others stumble across your userpage and see the toolbox, then it may inspire and/or help them with similar issues? Wes Mouse | T@lk 19:36, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
get a grip of reality, get a wyswyg[edit]
I find it incredibly disappointing that wikipedia can't see how "wiki markup" is the biggest barrier to inclusiveness on wikipedia. I have much trouble trying to edit wikipedia and still cannot make sense of what I am looking at on an edit page. More often than not I give up and fail to contribute. I complained about this TEN years ago. Without a WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET editor, wikipedia is an exclusive club which favours computer nerds and those who know html. Ordinary people cannot read markup languages and NEVER WILL! The people with the knowledge wikipedia needs are not contributing for a very good and very obvious reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 04:15, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
- If you register and log in, you can enable the VisualEditor, which (I am told) is WYSIWYG to some degree. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:29, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Green font?[edit]
Hey, I've been away from editing Wikipedia for a while and now that I'm back, I'm noticing how frequently people are using green font. I can go into Edit mode to find the Wiki markup but I've searched for an explanation of why this formatting was adopted and what it means. It looks like it is an alternative to a blockquote. But since it is now widely used, it seems like some explanation should be included on this page. Thanks! Liz Read! Talk! 15:39, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
- I think they are probably using the template {{tq}}, e.g. example text. Tip: look at the source of the page, you can usually work out which template they use. --Mrjulesd (talk) 15:45, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
- @Liz: That, or
{{xt}}which looks like this. These templates both alter the font family (to Georgia, if possible; failing that, 'DejaVu Serif', otherwise the browser's default serif font) and both alter the colour, although slightly differently:
{{tq}}uses #008560 which includes a blue component, whereas
{{xt}}uses #006400 which is darker but a pure green. Semantically,
{{tq}}marks up the text with the class
{{xt}}marks up the text with two classes
example good-example. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:12, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
- @Mrjulesd: and @Redrose64:, thanks for the speedy replies. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that this would be a template instead of Wiki markup but your explanations do answer my question. Why editors are suddenly using it (compared to, say, a year ago), I don't know but {{tq}} seems to have gotten very popular. I find it more difficult to read than italics or using a blockquote but my preferences aren't going to change the way people write! Thanks again for getting back to me, I find the enormous body of Wikipedia templates a little overwhelming to sort through. Liz Read! Talk! 17:34, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
- @Liz: That, or
formatting computer program examples[edit]
How should I present computer program text written in languages that are not yet supported by the "Syntaxhighlight" plugin?
Help: Wiki markup#Text formatting now suggests using syntaxhighlight tags (
<syntaxhighlight lang="JavaScript">...</syntaxhighlight>). Many articles still use the older source tags (
<source lang="JavaScript">...</source>).
Alas, several of the languages used in comparison of programming languages (mapping) are not yet supported by that plugin.
(My brief testing shows that "PostScript" and "Pike" seem to work with "syntaxhighlight", even though neither one are on the list of "Supported languages for syntax highlighting" that shows up when I use a language name like "MUMPS" or "SNOBOL" that it *really* doesn't know).
Which of the following approaches is the best way to present source code written in a not-yet-supported language?:
- Use syntaxhighlight and specify the particular language now. Later when the syntaxhighlight plugin is updated to support that language, that source code will "look right" with no changes needed to any of the Wikipedia articles that use it. (
<syntaxhighlight lang="MUMPS">...</syntaxhighlight>)
- Use syntaxhighlight and specify "lang=Text" for now. (
<syntaxhighlight lang="Text">...</syntaxhighlight>). If syntaxhighlight is ever updated to support that language, then update every Wikipedia page that has source code in that language to specify that particular language rather than the generic "Text".
- use "code" tags now. (
...). If syntaxhighlight is ever updated to support that language, then update every Wikipedia page that has source code in that language use syntaxhighlight.
- indent each line of the program text with spaces
- something else?
Which is the best way to show not-yet-supported computer languages? --DavidCary (talk) 04:33, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- The first one is not an option because it will throw an error "Invalid language. You need to specify a language like this:
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- Personally I use option 3 for short examples of less than one line, or option 2 for multi-line examples. This actually happens quite often, since I hang around WP:VPT and there isn't an option for MediaWiki markup, see e.g. Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 134#Lua. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:49, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

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Complaint Review: SOUTH TEXAS APPLIANCE REPAIR
SOUTH TEXAS APPLIANCE REPAIR10329 Perrin Beitel, San Antonio, Texas U.S.A.
SOUTH TEXAS APPLIANCE REPAIR, Ripoff. San Antonio, Texas
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I needed new dog ears for my washer agitator. I stopped in at South Texas Appliance Repair to see if they had them. They did and charged me $8.25 for a packet of four.
Meanwhile, my wife had called another appliance store in our area and asked them if they had the parts I need and they did and quoted a price of $3.85.
I then called South Texas and asked if I could return the item. The owner/manager told me "once out the door, they are yours." THAT IS A BIG RIP-OFF
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AUTHOR: labradoodle - (United States of America)
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Dawg ears huh?
AUTHOR: Randy - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Monday, August 30, 2004POSTED: Monday, August 30, 2004
Would you go and get parts for your car without price hunting first then later find a better deal and then go around knocking a company that works it's tail off just to stay above water all the time?!? I own an Appliance Co. and have so for over 20 years in San Antonio. We have to absorb "Stop Checks", the worst of manners or non at all. Whinning, bad moods and compare shopping. You call us over the phone and waste our time asking which part fits how and usually without a thank you. If we are 15 minutes late to a house call we hear it. But if we are 15 minutes early do we get thanked? Nope. Day in and day out it's people like this who whin over a part that is a few bucks. This trade is very hard and is a profession that you constantly have to keep up with not to mention new tools, EPA rules that charge us tens of thousands in new equipment and advertising you could not understand. Thanks
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If you bought the second ones at an "Appliance Parts Store" it is likely you bought them from the same store that the independent dealer did. He received wholesale price and you recieve the MSRP.
Once in his store he marked these parts up because he has rent and overhead to cover. Most independents don't sell parts to consumers.
When this part wears it is indiciative of either a neutral drain transmission starting to fail or the consumer overloading the washer. Please refer to the manufacturers instructions on loading the machine.
If you are in compliance, then you may want to peek under the unit with a flashlight and look for signs of a leaking transmission.
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BOICEVILLE — Investigators were interviewing someone Wednesday evening in connection with a bank robbery earlier in the day.
Ulster County Sheriff Paul Van Blarcum had no comment as to whether the individual was considered a suspect.
The robbery took place shortly before noon on Wednesday at the Community Bank branch located at 4141 Route 28.
According to reports, the suspect was described as a man, possibly in his 50s, who wore a blue hooded sweatshirt, spoke with a "Long Island accent" and brandished a black Glock-style handgun during the robbery.
Police said the suspect fled in a black SUV with an unknown amount of cash. The bank is located across the street from the Onteora school district, which responded to the active investigation by conducting a lockout at the Phoenicia Primary School, the Bennett Intermediate School as well as its middle and high schools.
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HAUL Music co-founder lays down some proper detroit fuelled techno for Kana Broadcast.
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Hale's Location Golf Course is said to be "One of the most unique and singularly beautiful golf developments in the country" by Golf Magazine, and we certainly live up to our reputation.
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The Hale's Location Golf Course offers an assortment of excellent facilities. Our Pro Shop offers top of the line equipment and apparel at fantastic prices. We even have a delicious restaurant and tavern on site for the golfer who want to grab a bite before or after your exciting round of golf. If you have been wanting to perfect a part of your golf technique, come practice on our putting green or take a lesson. We pride ourselves on ensuring you have a fantastic experience while at our Hale's Location Golf Course.
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Barolo Grill Restaurant Review: Successfully capturing an elegantly rustic, Tuscan feel with its earthy color scheme, Barolo Grill continues the theme with an inspired menu of Northern Italian specialties. The $65 tasting menu, drawing upon the cuisines of Piedmont, Tuscany and the Veneto, is chef Darrel Truett's selection of five courses (optionally paired with wine for an additional $49) that changes seasonally, but might include seared Hudson Valley foie gras, caramelized Brussels sprouts, house-made pasta stuffed with sheep ricotta and foraged mushrooms, Colorado lamb loin and, for dessert, Barolo's classic crème brûlée. The à la carte portion of the menu touts familiar Italian dishes, but Truett adds contemporary twists, turning out everything from lightly breaded and fried calamari to grilled Skuna Bay salmon plated with a five-grain medley, grapefruit, orange-glazed baby carrots and carrot cardamom purée, and hand cut tajarin noodles tossed with braised rabbit. The wine list --- easily one of the most ballyhooed in the city --- favors Italian varietals, several of which are offered by the glass.
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Complaint Review: Emergency Physicians Integrated Care
Emergency Physicians Integrated Care144 South 500 East Salt Lake City, Utah United States of America
Emergency Physicians Integrated Care EPIC Uncooperative, non-caring, greedy, stubborn, unwilling to help with financial hardship Salt Lake City, Utah
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We have run into financial hardships in the past with other hospitals and they were more than willing to help us pay the bill by settling for less than what we owed or by pointing us to outside resources or financial hardship programs. [continued below]....
Unfortunately, this time we had the misfortune of having to deal with "Emergency Physicians Integrated Care, LLC" or EPIC. They are a third party billing company that is billing us $486.00 for the physician bill. We have tried to get payment assistance to pay our medical bill and they are not willing to help at all. They tell us we don't qualify for financial assistance, and that there are no hardship programs available. I even tried offering a lump sum settlement of $292.00 which is 60% of the total debt and the supervisor at EPIC told me "we will only accept payment in full and if you don't pay we will refer your account to a collection agency." I explained to her that a collection agency would purchase the debt for only 10 to 20%, and believe it or not, she told me that they would rather sell the debt to a collection agency for $50 or $100 than let me settle for $292.00. So from what I understand, EPIC would rather take greater loss so their buddies at the collection agency can get their piece of the pie.
My experience in trying to work with EPIC to settle this debt has been a nightmare. They are unprofessional, and they are not interested in working with people who have a legitimate financial hardship. It is quite evident that they would rather make sure that person's credit is ruined rather than help them pay the bill even if it's only part of the bill.
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Professor Delphine Manceau, Doctor in Management, HDR, is the European Director of ESCP Europe Corporate Division, including Executive Education (Executive MBA, Executive Specialised Masters, Open and Customised Programmes) and Corporate Relations.
Delphine Manceau is also Director of i7, the institute for innovation & competitiveness which she founded after writing the report Pour une nouvelle vision de l'innovation (with Pascal Morand, 2009, ed. La documentation française) for the French Minister of Economics, Ms Christine Lagarde, on the innovation capacity of French and European companies.
As a specialist of marketing and innovation, Delphine has written several books, including Marketing Management with Philip Kotler and Kevin Keller (14th edition published in 2012, ed. Pearson Education), and Marketing de l'innovation with Emmanuelle Le Nagard (2nd edition, 2011, ed. Dunod).
She published papers in various academic journals, including International Journal of Research in Marketing, International Journal of Industrial Organization, Creativity and Innovation Management, International Journal of Advertising, Recherche & Applications en Marketing, Décisions Marketing, La Revue Française du Marketing, and L'Expansion Management Review.
Her main fields of research deal with the marketing of innovation, new product development and launch, design and innovation, the diffusion of innovation. She currently conducts a research project on the entrepreneurial and development model of creative companies and especially design companies. In the past, she also worked on the depiction of taboos in advertising as well as micro-economic modelling of marketing decisions.
Delphine Manceau contributes to several analysis of the future of management education in France. She wrote with Stephanie Dameron the FNEGE report entitled "Accreditations, certifications, rankings... The impact of external evaluations on the strategies of business schools and universities and on the evolution of French management education" (2011). She also participated in the FNEGE workgroup « Rethink the training of managers" (headed by Michel Bon, Bertrand Collomb and Jean-Pierre Helfer, and published in 2010), and the commission which lead to Bernard Pras' report on "The evaluation of faculty members in management sciences"(2010). She created and coordinated two seminars run by the FNEGE and the Association of Business Schools, one for programme managers in Business schools and Universities, and one for Deans of Research.
In the past, Delphine Manceau has been the Academic Dean of ESCP Europe and Dean for the Master in Management programme (2005- 2008). She was Vice-President Publications of the French Marketing Association (2008-2010) and the co-editor of the French academic journal Décisions Marketing (2003-2007).
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Definición de beluga en inglés:
sustantivo (plural igual or belugas)
1A small white toothed whale related to the narwhal, living in herds mainly in Arctic coastal waters. Also called white whale.
- Delphinapterus leucas, family Monodontidae.
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- The Antarctic lacks small resident toothed whales like the beluga and the narwhal of the Arctic.
- In addition to killing over 200 fin and minke whales, Greenlandic hunters also kill a large, but unknown, number of small whales each year, including belugas, narwhals, pilot whales and orcas.
2A very large sturgeon occurring in the inland seas and associated rivers of central Eurasia.
- Huso huso, family Acipenseridae.
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- Most beluga sturgeon were historically found in the Caspian Sea.
- Then in October 2004 the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service listed the beluga sturgeon as endangered.
2.1 (also beluga caviar) [mass noun] Caviar obtained from the beluga sturgeon.
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- Female beluga can produce 12% of their body weight in caviar and beluga caviar can demand $200 / kg.
- You whisk the eggs strenuously with a lot of milk and you put the result in a very hot, buttered frying pan and in a minute or less you plonk them on some toast, preferably with some beluga caviar.
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Although he was born in St. Louis, Missouri, singer, songwriter, and producer Aliaune Thiam — aka Akon — grew up in Senegal before he and his family (including his father, jazz percussionist Mor Thiam) returned to the United States and settled in New Jersey when he was seven. There he discovered hip-hop for the first time, as well as crime. He was eventually jailed but he used the time — a total of three years, he claimed — to work on his musical ideas. Upon release, Akon began writing and recording tracks in a home studio. The tapes found their way to SRC/Universal, which eventually released Trouble, Akon's debut LP, in June 2004. The album was an interesting hybrid of Akon's silky vocals with East Coast- and Southern-styled beats. The success of the song "Locked Up," a Top Ten Billboard Hot 100 hit, made Akon a star and desired collaborator. After appearing on Young Jeezy's "Soul Survivor," his number of guest appearances seemed to multiply each month. Konvicted, his second album, was released in November 2006. Soon enough, two of the album's singles, "I Wanna Love You" and "Smack That," made their way to the upper regions of the Billboard charts.
A significant stylistic shift occurred with Freedom, his third album. The December 2008 release avoided the rugged hip-hop/R&B hybrid of his earlier work and courted a broader audience with a dance-oriented Euro-pop sound. Despite the bold change, the album repeated Konvicted's chart success by peaking within the Top Ten of the Billboard 200; "Right Now (Na Na Na)," its most successful single, reached the Top Ten of the Hot 100. Akon slowed his own output but subsequently collaborated with dozens of artists, including David Guetta (the world-wide smash "Sexy Bitch," 2009), Artists for Haiti ("We Are the World 25 for Haiti," 2010), parodists the Lonely Island ("I Just Had Sex," 2010), and close friend Michael Jackson ("Hold My Hand," 2010). A fourth album, Stadium — originally planned for a 2010 release — was delayed several times.
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So today I was driving back to the office from lunch and a sneeze snuck up on me. I am just getting over a cold, and I unfortunately didn't react in time to cover my nose/mouth area. It happens,and this time I could definitely tell it was a rather juicy expulsion.
So in the immediate aftermath, I frantically scanned my car's interior, fully expecting to see a splatter discharge rivaling the "Aww man, I shot Marvin in the face" scene from Pulp Fiction. But I couldn't find anything; it was as though the snot left my nose and mystically disappeared into thin air. You ever have that happen to you? At the time, it provided a few moments of blessed relief from initial cleanup, but now I live in constant fear of that the snot coming back to haunt me each time I get into the vehicle. Is it all over my work bag in a spot that I didn't notice? Somewhere on my jacket? If I switch stations on the radio or change gears, am I going to unknowingly find my hand blanketed in phlegm and mucous? Terrifying.
Anyway, I thought you ladies and gents should know that Valve has officially kicked off the Steam Winter Sale, which will probably cause you to burn through the dough in your wallet more quickly and efficiently than tossing it into an incinerator. You can check it out here. As with previous Steam extravaganzas, they offer daily deals coupled with flash sales throughout the day. For example, right now I could be purchasing the complete Ubi Soft Prince of Persia Complete pack (which consists of 5 PoP titles) for a paltry $12.24. Only my disdain for Ubi's draconian DRM policies and implementations in their past PC titles is holding me back at this point. An interesting new wrinkle in this sale is that software is also being featured. Currently, Art Rage Studio 3 Pro is one of the flash deals at 66% off its regular price. Groovy.
In spite of a steadfast resolve to maintain my Steam Winter Sale virginity, it did not take long for my cherry to get popped. I just purchased Intrusion 2 for $3.39 during a flash sale. Why is it called Intrusion 2? Was there even an Intrusion 1? Hell if I know. All I know is that it looks like the love child of Contra and Metal Slug, and one of the screenshots features your characters riding giant wolves while shooting laser/plasma rifles at a GLaDOS ripoff equipped with Doc Ock's mechanical arms, in full 1080p nonetheless. Sold! I feel like I got my $3.39 worth just watching the game trailer and scrolling through the screenshots, and I haven't even installed the game yet.
The Steam sale strikes again. I am such a whore.


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Tuesday March 3, 2009
ATHENS------ University of Georgia linebacker coach John Jancek has been named co-coordinator for the Bulldog defense according to UGA head coach Mark Richt.
"Willie Martinez is our defensive coordinator and as co-coordinator, John has been and will continue to be instrumental in our game planning on the defensive side of the ball," said Richt.
Jancek is beginning his fifth season with the Bulldogs after joining the staff in 2005. He was recently offered the defensive coordinator position at the University of South Florida but decided to remain with the Bulldogs. A graduate of Grand Valley State University, Jancek held defensive coordinator coaching positions at Wayne State University, Grand Valley, and Central Michigan prior to coming to Georgia.


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Hi all!
Question: Do any of you have a child with this diagnosis and if so, what are you doing for treatment/speech issues? My son will be 4 in January and is completely non-verbal still. He makes noises at times and "babbles," but even that is at a rate way lower then most babies under a year. He seems to hear most sounds, is easily startled, and with his tone issues, we have never been able to have a good hearing test to really tell what he can and cannot hear. Since it can fluctuate minute to minute, not sure if it will be really conclusive anyway. I have been showing some main signs since he was 9 months old. He thinks its funny and smiles, but has never done a sign himself. I am now looking into the idea of cochlear implants, but it seems like the results are mixed and there is no way to tell which kids it will work for and which ones it won't. There is so little definitive information on this disorder that I am getting frustrated. I don't want to do a surgery that will have no postitive ipact on him, but if it can help him to hear and learn to communicate, it would be a prayer answered. Now that he is older and becoming more medically stable, I am really wanting to have at least a plan in place for communication or getting to communication. I live in a rural area and while all his therapists are great with him, speech in particular hasn't worked with a kid with his disabilities or severe speech/hearing issues, ever in the 10 years she has been here. I've been researching this issue for the last week and my brain is spinning. Time for some real information. Anyone with any experiences, information to share on this? Thanks!


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Kammerflimmer Kollektief: Teufelskamin
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Kammerflimmer Kollektief: Teufelskamin
31 Jan 2012 // 4:00 PM
Kammerflimmer Kollektief present an ambient electro-jazz album without much bite to it.
Koop: Koop Islands
13 Jan 2008 // 4:00 PM
Freed from the constraints of genre boundaries, the Swedish duo has crafted this convergence of electronic pop and jazz that sounds as utterly natural as it does unusual. An overlooked treasure, for sure.


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What: PPL Electric Utilities public meeting to discuss a proposed 500-kilovolt power line project connecting Pennsylvania and New Jersey substations.
Where: Fernwood Resort & Conference Center, Route 209 and River Road, Bushkill
When: 5 to 8 p.m.today.
About the project: PPL has proposed three possible routes for the line in Pennsylvania — each about 100 miles long — that would cross the Delaware River near Bushkill in the Delaware Water Gap National Recreation Area, just north of Milford near Route 84, or near Martins Creek in Northampton County. Public Service Electric and Gas seeks approval in the Garden State for the New Jersey portion of the line. The ultimate routes selected and approved for both states must meet at the same Delaware River crossing.
Who should attend: PPL says property owners in a 1,000-foot corridor along each possible route have or will receive letters with details of the routes and an invitation to attend one of nine scheduled public meetings. All others who are interested also are welcome to attend.
More information: Call PPL Electric Utilities toll-free at (800) 291-5403, or visit the project Web site at www.pplreliablepower.com/index.htm.
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