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Skip to comments.Atheists Sue President Over National Prayer Day
Posted on 10/04/2008 2:27:00 AM PDT by AndyTheBear
MADISON, Wis. The nation's largest group of atheists and agnostics is suing President Bush, the governor of Wisconsin and other officials over the federal law designating a National Day of Prayer.
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I know I don't sound exactly like an atheist. It certainly confuses the Jehova's Witnesses who occasionally come to my door. But I am.
"I do not think we have seen that an atheist society cannot maintain any morality"
I don't mean to say that some atheists can't maintain morality, only that an atheistic society tends to drift, and usually downwards. While we see that in theistic societies as well, I personally think that such drifts are directly attributable to the extent to which members of such a society are losing their faith. It is one thing to go to church. It is quite another to truly believe in the moral principles of a religion, and to practice them. That is a direct matter of faith, which atheists of course do not have.
"It is quite possible that the world can have a prosperous, stable, and morally sound society founded on atheistic principles."
Well, okay. But based upon which, exactly, atheistic principles? There is no particular principle that I can think of that might be intrinsically common to or directly attributable to atheism.
"And lets not confuse the discussion by lumping atheism together with every other belief system."
If anything, I'd call atheism a lack of belief system. And I'm not trying to make an argument against atheism. I'd have to argue against myself to do that. I only argue that a theistic society provides a better society in which to live, for an atheist such as myself. Less bad things, generally, to put up with and more checks and balances to keep my own standards up.
I would argue against a religious state, for that can be oppressive. Our constitution prohibits that at the federal level, which gives me the benefit of being able to openly be atheist and still benefit from the high moral base of American theism. Pity that the latter is giving way to liberalism at an alarming rate.
I've never been oppressed by religion in the USA. However, I've been terribly oppressed by liberalism. I can tell the door to door missionaries to get lost, but liberals use the state to steal both my treasure and my liberty. They've managed to bypass the constitution quite handily to that effect. A national prayer day is the least of my worries.
"I doubt that the number of atheists is that high to begin with."
Here's one site that claims there are over 16 million atheists in America:
And I don't think they're trying to cater to any religious or non-religious persuasion, but I cannot attest to the validity of their statistics. However, I've seen similar numbers elsewhere. I can find a better source of information, if you require it, metmom.
"An atheistic community would still have the heavy influence of the Judeo-Christian heritage that this country was founded on."
That might be stretching things a bit. I would say that our country was partially founded on a Judeo-Christian traditions and philosophy, but it was also based on secular traditions and philosophy as well. We cannot ignore the role of secularism in American history. In fact, the USA was the first country to found itself on a separation of church and state, and secularism helped define the American experiment as such.
"If you think that China is not so bad, you are far more deceived than you even have a clue of."
I never said China wasn't so bad. But they are a powerful nation, not a failing one. That was my only point.
"If you think that France is not in such bad shape, yo don't know your history very well. Google up *French Revolution* to find out what happens to a society or nation that rejects God."
I don't need a history lesson, thank you. My point, again, is that France has survived and is now a strong member of the European Union.
So, no, I don't think there is enough evidence to conclude that nations which reject God and radically embrace secularism are doomed to failure.
But please note the following point: I am not basing my argument on the examples of China and France. I only mentioned them because you asked for examples. Rather, I am basing my argument on the fact that we simply don't have enough evidence to form a conclusion here.
The problems and failures of most atheistic nations are the problems and failures of communism and fascism, not atheism.
"Funny thing is, evolution scientists say that man has evolved to believe in God. So, those smug elitists who like to think that they're so superior to believers, really aren't according to science. Oh, the irony."
Can you reference any studies by scientists about that? I know that some scientists have hypothesized that religious belief is an evolved trait. But that is not a fact. It's just an hypothesis. It has not been supported by evidence, as far as I know.
But, let's say, hypothetically, that it is true. That does not really matter. Because lots of things that hurt us are evolved traits. Consider wisdom teeth. We don't want'em, and we're better off when we get them removed. Yet, scientists will tell you that they are the product of evolution.
So, finding an evolutionary source of religious belief would not count as an argument for (or against) religious belief. It would just be an explanation for how we got it.
Okay, atheism is not generally thought of as a belief system. But I think it is, because a person who lacks belief in God would not bother to call themself an "atheist" unless they had some reason to do so. Atheism is the belief that not believing in God is something to embrace and identify with.
Atheistic principles are principles which reject notions of divine authority or intervention.
A society can be democratic and capitalistic and reject all notions of divine authority and intervention. They can regard authority as a man-made issue, as a matter of man-made laws and politics. They can regard morality as something which is concerned with this life, with how human beings live and work together.
We don't need religious books or leaders to tell us how to live. In fact, I think even some of the most religious of us tend to look skeptically upon religious texts and leaders, even within their own faith.
We can think for ourselves. About morality, about politics, about life. We don't need religious authority to tell us how to be good people. We feel it and we negotiate it together, as civilized human beings.
An atheistic society, as I see it, is one that regards human beings as responsible for their own morality and culture. It regards human beings as responsible for their own lives.
It's all about responsibility.
For atheists, the National Prayer Day is part of a bigger picture which involves funneling tax dollars towards religious institutions and providing a state-sponsored shield which protects religious authority from criticism.
Again, it's about responsibility. We want to be able to subject religious institutions to the same controls and criticisms we apply to everything else. That is what it means to live in a free society.
Basically, what you describe is liberalism. I see no difference in what you say and liberal America today. Right now my money is stolen to support, for example, homosexual misbehavior, and the results, addicts of various narcotics, sloth, apathy, European boondoggles and, now, the failure of Congress and their cronies in the housing and real estate industry. All of these things are the result of irresponsibility. All the results of behavior by people who no longer know the difference between right and wrong. And you're worried about possible tax dollars going to a prayer day? (and I don't get the connection between a national prayer day and a state religion funneling tax dollars anywhere) Rejection of divine authority is simply that. It is no principle. It is merely a disbelief. When you "negotiate" your rights with other people you ultimately are saying that your rights are negotiable. Our constitution was written to suggest that our rights are definitely not negotiable. I notice that the more atheistic our society becomes, the more my own rights are negotiable...to other people.
No, my friend, I would say that to maintain your faith requires maintaining a very high set of principles that atheism can not compete with. And I applaud the faithful for that.
Now, if you wish to debate the actual existence of God, I'll probably jump over to your side, for I haven't seen a good argument yet, which is why I'm atheist. But I see very clearly the difference between the behavior of those of faith and those without. And I don't like what I see in the latter.
And it won't last long that way. You keep referring to countries which are atheistic and successful. Please give us examples of ANY country which has been successfully established based on a rejection of God. Please give us an example of any country which has continued to be successful when it has rejected God.
Our country is in the rejecting God stage and is beginning to bear the fruit of that rejection. Moral values are being lost; human life is being devalued; crime and corruption are increasing. Nothing good comes from a rejection of God.
Atheists have no standard on which to base a value system. Situational ethics don't work. What it finally gets down to is might makes right and people who manage to get into power impose their belief and value systems on others with the heavy hand of tyranny.
We want to be able to subject religious institutions to the same controls and criticisms we apply to everything else.
I'll bet you do.
That is what it means to live in a free society.
No, it isn't.
Our Constitution restricts what the federal government can do in regards to religion. What you are championing violates the Constitution.
I don't see how I'm describing liberalism here. I have problems with liberalism, too. No, I think "secularism" is a better word for what I'm talking about. Secularism, not liberalism, is the political manifestation of atheism.
"And youre worried about possible tax dollars going to a prayer day? (and I dont get the connection between a national prayer day and a state religion funneling tax dollars anywhere)"
The issue is whether or not we want a government that promotes religious devotion and offers tax breaks and financial protections to religious organizations. When I mentioned actively funneling tax dollars, I was thinking more about the Faith-Based and Community Initiatives program. The separation of church and state is being eroded. The National Prayer Day is just one part of that bigger picture.
"Rejection of divine authority is simply that. It is no principle. It is merely a disbelief."
I don't want to argue semantics here. Rejecting divine authority is meaningless unless it is done on principle. And for atheists like myself, it is a matter of principle.
It is the idea that together we can act rationally to make our lives and the world better. In political terms, we call it secularism. Not liberalism.
"No, my friend, I would say that to maintain your faith requires maintaining a very high set of principles that atheism can not compete with."
I don't understand. To maintain what faith?
"I see very clearly the difference between the behavior of those of faith and those without. And I dont like what I see in the latter."
You are talking about yourself there, and many great people who have served humanity through the ages.
Now, certainly the world has problems. You may be correct that there is some connection between the world's greatest problems and the decline in faith and religious devotion. However, let's not jump to conclusions about what the connection may be, if in fact there even is one.
It could be that there is merely a correlation here. Perhaps a decline in religious faith is correlated to irresponsible behavior, because there aren't enough secular institutions in place to clean up the mess left in the wake of the failures of religious organizations.
It is quite possible that a lot of the irresponsibility in the world today is not the result of a lack of religion, but the result of a lack of education and clear thinking.
Of course you can't just take away religion and expect the world to be a better place. We still need to educate our children and encourage a responsible and rational approach to humanity. That's not gonna happen without some work.
"Please give us examples . . ."
Metmom, I've given the examples of China and France already.
"Nothing good comes from a rejection of God."
I don't think that's accurate.
And let's face it, governments generally tend to be corrupt. Religion does not protect governments or individuals from corruption. It does not eliminate sin. It does not protect people from pain, sorrow, or suffering.
I don't see the world's ills coming from a rejection of God. However, I do see a number of them stemming from an irrational devotion to religious dogma.
"Atheists have no standard on which to base a value system."
The standard is rationality.
"Our Constitution restricts what the federal government can do in regards to religion. What you are championing violates the Constitution."
How is championing secularism a violation of the Constitution?
In fact, history has shown that atheists can form morally upright communities.
France and China?
What, no Cuba, North Korea? :)
Somehow if one asks which atheistic "community" is a "moral" one, France and China are not only not good examples of moral perfection, but don't get onto most people's radar.
Please don't put words in my mouth, tpanther. I was not offering those as examples of morally upright communities. (Though I wouldn't lump France and China together, if we're going to talk about moral uprightness.)
Actually, I pasted your words:
"In fact, history has shown that atheists can form morally upright communities.
China is one example. Though, of course, I am not holding China up as an example of moral perfection".
If China is a morally upright community, forget about perfection, then the rams are going to win the superbowl.
"France is way more aggressively secular than the USA, and theyre not so bad off.
My point is, we have no grounds for concluding that all atheistic nations are doomed to immorality. I wouldnt jump to such conclusions".
France is pitiful. Their secularism has allowed militant Islam to backfill their moral vacuum and we see riots, terrorism and the like.
Truly, our Constitution guarantees the freedom of religion - not the freedom from religion. The restriction is that congress shall not establish a (state) religion.
More specifically, Alamo-Girl, the first amendment says there shall be no laws "respecting an establishment of religion."
It does more than prevent the government from establishing a religion. It prevents the government from making any laws which support or decry religion.
"I was quite clearly not presenting China and France as examples of morally upright communities.
China is one example. Though, of course, I am not holding China up as an example of moral perfection.
France is way more aggressively secular than the USA, and theyre not so bad off.
My point is, we have no grounds for concluding that all atheistic nations are doomed to immorality. I wouldnt jump to such conclusions".
Ok, so show us a NON-failed NON-immoral atheistic society already!!!!!
FWIW an immoral society IS a failed society.
You gave France and China as examples of what exactly?
You continue to deny that they're moral societies, but WHAT ARE you mentioning them for then?
You don't want us to lump atheism with communism/socialism/liberalism, then fine...
"And lets face it, governments generally tend to be corrupt. Religion does not protect governments or individuals from corruption. It does not eliminate sin. It does not protect people from pain, sorrow, or suffering".
don't lump false religions and cults in with Christianity then.
There simply isn't any reason to believe that if a person is doing as the New Testmanet directs them to do, that they'll somehow BE corrupt.
Human beings are failed on their own. Christians fail too, but they can't blame it on Christianity.
It prevents the government from making any laws which support or decry religion.
Which begs the original question of this thread...by what authority do atheists sue to silence Christians?
''[F]or the men who wrote the Religion Clauses of the First Amendment the 'establishment' of a religion connoted sponsorship, financial support, and active involvement of the sovereign in religious activity.'' 41 ''[The] Court has long held that the First Amendment reaches more than classic, 18th century establishments.'' Supp.3 However, the Court's reading of the clause has never resulted in the barring of all assistance which aids, however incidentally, a religious institution. Outside this area, the decisions generally have more rigorously prohibited what may be deemed governmental promotion of religious doctrine.
I also suggest reading this very important decision:
This of course demolishes the atheist argument under the Establishment Clause, since atheism is a religion per Supreme Court caselaw.
I will be buying popcorn on the day this Kaufman decision is used in litigation for an expanded publicly funded science curriculum vis-à-vis evolution. The legal theory would be that limiting publicly funded explanations of origins to metaphysical naturalism (atheism) is unconstitutional since it is an establishment of religion based on the same caselaw plus Kaufman.
Thanks for the ping - and please consider yourself pinged to my last post!
Why do you insist on continuing to post cut-up, jumbled, and therefore misleading, representations of my posts?
Are you hoping that people who haven't read my actual posts (or who just don't remember them) will see what you posted and think I actually wrote those words in that order?
It's dishonest and manipulative posting, and it shows an unwillingness to treat me and this forum with respect.
Please try to be more respectful and . . . yes, moral . . . tpanther. We all would appreciate it.
As for the moral uprightness of China and France, I'm not expert enough in their cultures to say much about them.
Hey, we all have issues with China's government and many of their practices. However, I would not condemn the Chinese people as immoral. And, considering China's powerful position on the world's stage, I don't think it is accurate to call it a failed nation. The same goes for France, though I have fewer qualms with their government.
But really, this whole discussion of France and China is somewhat tangential to the issues here.
Religion has been a dominant institution throughout the world for a very long time, and it is only quite recently that secular institutions have even attempted to replace them. So, when we look back throughout history, we see many failing nations, most of them religious.
Yes, we have also seen frightening atheistic nations, communist and fascist nations, though I think they were terrible because of their fascism and corruption, and not their atheism.
We have also seen the USA and France set examples as powerful, forward-thinking nations able to erect a boundary between church and state. We are only beginning to see what a rational, democratic and capitalistic atheistic society could look like.
That is why I say that there is not enough evidence to conclude that all atheistic societies are doomed to failure and/or immorality.
"The caselaw involving the Establishment Clause is much more complex than your simplistic retort suggests."
I don't think I was suggesting anything very simplistic. In fact, what I said is a fair interpretation of the Constitution, which as you know is much more complex than your simplistic original statement suggests.
But thanks for posting those interesting links.
About atheism being regarded as a religion for the purposes of interpreting the first amendment, I found this part of the decision particularly interesting:
"Without venturing too far into the realm of the philosophical, we have suggested in the past that when a person sincerely holds beliefs dealing with issues of 'ultimate concern' that for her occupy a 'place parallel to that filled by . . . God in traditionally religious persons,' those beliefs represent her religion."
Frankly, I'm not persuaded by that reasoning. I don't think that definition of "religion" is what the framers of the Constitution had in mind. And the court's unwillingness to deal with the philosophical issues here is a little embarrassing. If the court is going to allow such an unconventional definition of "religion" into the law, they should at least try to back up that action with some philosophical argument.
But in any case, as flawed as that decision may be, I do not think it will lead to much popcorn eating for you. The ruling does not suggest that science itself is a religion. Any education about origins in the classroom should be done on scientific grounds, and not explicitly atheistic grounds. (The fact that science and atheism are closely connected for many people is not reflected in the law books, so far as I know.)
Perhaps what you are hoping for is a day when we will no longer be able to distinguish between science and religion, and so the science classroom will be indistinguishable from a theological discussion group. Is that the case?
At the root, the intelligent design movement had as its objective the elimination of methodological naturalism as a presupposition in scientific investigations. Or to put it another way, it wanted to bring all disciplines of science to be more like physics where postulates apply to the specific investigation at hand.
In that regard, the intelligent design movement was a frontal assault to metaphysical naturalists (Dawkins, Singer, Pinker, Lewontin et al) who do "theology" or "philosophy" under the color of science (methodological naturalism.) Therefore we see the mantra that intelligent design is religion under the color of science and that mantra's success so far in the courtroom.
But thanks to Kaufman, the legal argument now cuts both ways. So, we'll see. At the very least, it will be entertaining.
Rather than debate point by point, which is beginning to create some rather lengthy posts, let me just say that I think your attacks on religion are misplaced, if you are conservative. Conservatism and religion are allies against liberalism, secular or otherwise. They compliment one another. I've lived 57 years without once being threatened or oppressed or otherwise cheated by religion in this country. Liberals do it every day. When I look at the cess pools that are the coastal liberal enclaves and compare them with what they call, with disdain, "fly-over country", I see clearly where the high standards and solid knowledge of right from wrong reside. I see good people being trashed by liberal scum, and most of those good people, to some degree or another, are of faith. They don't attack atheists. Atheists attack them, and for what? Why ally yourself with folks who guarantee chaos at best? You'll find you have no enemies among the faithful, only lively debate. If you're conservative, in their company you're among friends.
I leave you to your thoughts, friend.
"I brought the original meaning and subsequent caselaw to the table."
I know that. And from what I see, my original statement was neither inaccurate nor overly simplistic. I think yours was, however.
But we don't need to bicker about that, do we?
"I do find the Kaufman decision to be particularly relevant for such cases in the future."
I have my doubts, as I said. But I guess we'll see how it plays out. Intelligent Design just isn't science, as you well know. That has nothing to do with whether or not we interpret the first amendment's establishment clause as applying to atheism.
But we're getting pretty far off-topic, I think. The issue here is about this lawsuit against the National Prayer Day, right?
In any case, it's getting late here on a Sunday night. I've got a very full week ahead of me, and I doubt I'll be able to keep up with this discussion very much. So, to everyone who's engaged me in this discussion, don't be surprised if you don't hear back from me for a while. Sorry if that's a disappointment for any of you.
Thanks for the thoughts. As I just wrote to Alamo-Girl, I'm not gonna be able to participate much in this discussion for a while. To address your last thoughts, though: I'd say I lean closer to Liberatian Conservatism, as opposed to Christian Conservatism. And as for why I align myself with atheists: It's because I value rational thought as a tool for understanding ourselves and our place in the world.
Oh, just one more thing Alamo-Girl:
"At the root, the intelligent design movement had as its objective the elimination of methodological naturalism as a presupposition in scientific investigations."
I'm not sure why you used the past tense there. Is that no longer an objective of the movement?
In any case, the notion of a "supernatural science" is an oxymoron. It just doesn't make sense.
Democracy is now and always has been MOB RULE by mobsters..
Democracy is the road to socialism. -Karl Marx
Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism. -V.I. Lenin
The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism .-Karl Marx
Also, I forgot to respond to this:
"I think your attacks on religion are misplaced . . ."
I don't think I've said anything that could be construed as an attack against religion.
Sorry, I wrote "Liberation Conservatism," when I meant to write, "Libertarian Conservatism."
That is NOT true.
The First Amendment is very specific about what it says. It restricts the powers of the federal government when it comes to meddling in religion. It specifically addresses what can and cannot be done and by whom. It specifically prohibits Congress only from making laws. It says NOTHING about supporting or decrying, or even endorsing, religion.
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
And in typical liberal or atheist fashion, you totally ignored the second clause in the First Amendment which is *prohibiting the free exercise thereof*.
There is nothing unconstitutional about the President proclaiming a national day of prayer.
So just how do you consider China and France *successful?
You admit that China, at least, is not morally upright. Then what's successful? Human rights? Working conditions for the people? Freedom for the people? Standard of living? Health? Justice system?
How is France successful? They're about ready to be overrun by Islam. That doesn't sound too successful to me.
Excuse us. So just because we have faith, we're not rational? Or capable of rational thought?
Newsflash.... Atheists have no monopoly on rational thought. As a matter of fact, behavior such as demonstrated by the lawsuit that this thread is about is a clear demonstration of that.
Atheists pretend we live in a religion-neutral country, and that this country was founded to be a secularist nation.
We have religious freedom, but we are essentially a Judeo-Christian nation.
Atheists don't want to believe this simple fact. They think that somehow it's pure coincidence that we've gotten along this way for 200+ years, and that we are on the verge of becoming a theocracy.
Of course they are doomed to immorality because they have no standard by which to base their morals on.
Our country is a perfect example as it is happening now.
France is another example especially the French Revolution, a bloodbath following the rejection of God if there ever was one.
Without some outside source of absolute moral values, people create their own, in which case you get what's happening in England today where they're stating that the old and sick have a *duty* to die to save resources for the young and healthy. Or like Nazi Germany where they slaughtered those who were infirm, or didn't toe the party line.
Rejecting the Judeo-Christian moral system dooms any society to failure and decadence.
Why do you insist on continuing to post cut-up, jumbled, and therefore misleading, representations of my posts?
I have no idea why you're so defensive, nor do I care, but I've very consistently pasted your very words, nothing jumbled or misleading about it! Unless one of course sees your message this way in the first place!
You've been asked several times, and not just by me, to give examples of atheistic societies either moral or successful as you have asserted and yet the only two instances I can see you've listed are China and France. No thinking (and yes moral) person could see either country in either light. China shows financial success with no freedoms and consistently poor human rights. France is plagued with terror within it's borders due to secular humanism allowing it's subsequent moral vacuum to be filled with militant Islam.
Are you hoping that people who havent read my actual posts (or who just dont remember them) will see what you posted and think I actually wrote those words in that order?
I pasted your words! and I don't know what order has to do with anything, they're either moral societies or they are not!...indeed your words ARE still there for all to see! Therefore I don't NEED to hope for anything.
Its dishonest and manipulative posting, and it shows an unwillingness to treat me and this forum with respect.
Please try to be more respectful and . . . yes, moral . . . tpanther. We all would appreciate it.
SPARE me the feigned indignation and projections! If you can't coherently make your argument, then I would suggest not making it in the first place.
It's best for the both of us to just move on.
Our Constitution is good for the governance of a good and religious people, it is inadequate for any other - John Adams.
Adams is stating the truism that freedom must come with a set of COMMON internal controls on behavior. Situational ethics cannot provide this framework or society. Only a "good and moral people" can live in such freedom.
And at this point, atheism is a "religion" under the Establishment Clause according to "controlling legal precedent."
If you look at the history of this discussion, you will see that I brought up France and China specifically as an answer to the following question, asked by metmom:
Failure of *some* atheistic nations? Which atheistic nations have not failed?
I did not provide those as examples of morally upright communities. Yet, by rearranging my words as you have, you make it look like I did. That is dishonest, irresponsible, and immoral.
I have not made any pronouncements about France and China's morality or lack thereof.
Your continuing failure to misunderstand and misrepresent this fact, which I have explained more than once now, forces me to conclude that there is no point in trying to engage you in a constructive discussion here.
I am not ignoring any part of the Constitution here, metmom.
I am not trying to prohibit the free exercise of religion.
There is a difference between a government which allows for the free exercise of religion and a government which actively supports the exercise of religion. It is the latter that I oppose, not the former.
You are free to pray any day you want. It is none of my business, and it's none of the government's business, either.
"So just how do you consider China and France *successful?"
My point is not that they are particularly successful, or successful to any particular degree, but only that they have not yet failed. They are surviving, flawed and troubled as they are. And they hopefully will improve.
"We have religious freedom, but we are essentially a Judeo-Christian nation."
Can you elaborate on this point?
Are you saying that America's political system is essentially Judeo-Christian? Or that our legal system reflects a Judeo-Christian ethic? Or that our culture is essentially Judeo-Christian?
I think you are wrong to suggest that atheists don't recognize the huge role Judeo-Christian philosophy (and, perhaps even more so, Christian institutions) have played in the shaping of America.
The well-known atheist, Sam Harris—who I don't always agree with, mind you—even titled one of his books, "Letter to a Christian Nation." That suggests he, at least, recognizes the dominant role Christianity plays in America.
But I just wonder what you think defines the essence of our nation, and in what way you think that essence reflects Judeo-Christian philosophy and/or traditions.
"Our interpretations of the Constitution do not have the force of law. The interpretations of the Supreme Court do."
Of course. I was using "we" to refer to us as a nation, as a law-creating entity which includes the actions of the Supreme Court.
Again, the point is this: The fact that the Supreme Court interprets atheism as a religion for the purposes of interpreting the first amendment has no impact whatsoever on the laws regulating what counts as science or on the laws keeping evolution in, and Intelligent Design out of, the classroom.
I just don't see anything here which will further the Intelligent Design movement. Thus, I predict that you will have to find another reason to eat popcorn.
As for the lawsuit regarding the National Prayer Day, I'm not so sure it is doomed to failure. This is not to say that I think it will succeed. If I had to guess, I'd say it will probably fail, actually. But I am hopeful.
Just to explain my perspective on the legal issues here in a little more detail . . .
There is a three-pronged test to decide if a law runs contrary to the establishment clause. One prong says that the law must serve a secular function. The question then is, what secular function is served by declaring a National Prayer Day?
If the answer is "none," then the National Prayer Day is unconstitutional.
That is, unless you want to argue that, by declaring a National Prayer Day, President Bush was not enacting a law, but merely decorating our calendars.
If laws were created by popular vote, they might as well throw away the Constitution.
If anyone picks up that legal theory, IMHO, it will be quite entertaining to watch the court try to keep the government out of the establishment of atheism as the state religion through publicly funded education.
From your other post:
The "free exercise" clause and legal precedent cannot and I aver, will not, be dismissed by this Supreme Court. They will not favor one belief (including disbelief) over another.
People like this make atheists look bad.
Here's a piece on the National Prayer Day which seems to support my views. It's by a site called "Religious Tolerance":
Here's another piece that supports my view, and which has supporting quotes from religious leaders as well as such historical figures as Thomas Jefferson:
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This version of the Ludlow sportcoat is woven in glen plaid linen from a renowned Italian mill and is partially constructed—in other words, it's made with a specially developed interior that offers some structure but, because of the soft shoulder, maintains a laid-back look. This also means it's lighter and ideal for warm weather. The kind of jacket that you throw over an armchair rather than put on a hanger, it's a bit more casual but still has our tailored Ludlow fit.
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Ludlow sportcoat in indigo glen plaid Italian linen
Rated 4.2 out of 5 by 6 reviewers.
Rated 5 out of 5 by JoeA Nice One As a previous reviewer mentioned, the fabric is a bit heavier than what would be considered traditional warm weather linen. However it sits well and doesn't wrinkle very easily, which makes it appropriate for being a bit more dressed up. The glen plaid pattern and navy color will stand the test of time, so you need no worry about this jacket looking goofy this time next year. The cut of the jacket is very fitted. I am 5'9" and weigh about 155 pounds, and a 38S fit me perfectly (most Ludlow jackets in that size tend to work for me). Normally I get my jackets taken in a little, but this one had a lot of shape and requires little to no tailoring. Sleeve length worked out well, allowing for a bit of shirt sleeve to show. This one is a winner. May 25, 2014
Rated 3 out of 5 by DucDucGoose Great Jacket, Unusual Print I own 6 or 7 Ludlows, and true to form this jacket was cut in the usual trim style and made with the excellent quality I have come to expect from J. Crew. The jacket looks stunning on the model in the picture, but zoom in and take a closer look at the fabric used. It's not a tight/fine woven linen, and the lines of the Glen Plaid are thicker due to the coarser linen used from which to make the coat. It looks stunning from a distance, but has more 1960s style look to it up close. Also be forewarned -- it's a single button. I ended up returning it. June 7, 2014
Rated 5 out of 5 by Mike Great Jacket The material was in much better condition from the online delivery than what I had seen in the store. It's a high quality material that doesn't look like like the linens or cottons of the past few years. It is a little heavier weight than I expected, but it just makes it look more appropriate for a work environment, while still retaining a casual out-of-work appearance. I am 5'10" 175lbs, and the 40R fit perfect - not even requiring sleeve adjustments. I love the Ludlow line, and this is another great addition for warmer weather. May 12, 2014
Rated 5 out of 5 by scarpenere unique fabric A beautiful jacket and fabric. The linen its heavier than most (as another reviewer commented, so this was not a surprise), making the jacket appropriate for seasons other than summer. The cut is slightly roomier than I expected after seeing the photo, but the garment is well-tailored and it fits well. July 21, 2014
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Where do I find the CSS to change the width so it fits in my sidebar? Currently it's messing up my whole template.
Where do I find the CSS to change the width so it fits in my sidebar? Currently it's messing up my whole template.
I've tried adding some styles to my WP stylesheet as recommended in some other threads I've found, but so far none of these changes seems to have altered the form one bit.
You can look at one of the pages using the widget at http://www.mennoniteusa.org/publications/on-the-way/on-the-way-vol-1-no-9/ You should be able to see the form in the right sidebar sticking way out over the edge of the column.
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Thanks for getting in touch. I was able to take a look at your site and experiment a bit. It looks like because of the way the #sidebar CSS is set up in your theme, you'll need to override the
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Thanks for responding!
I added #sidebar #mc_signup_form div {width: 110px;} to the theme CSS, but it didn't seem to change anything. Is there something else in the CSS I need to change/remove? I had put some stuff into the code based on suggestions I saw in the WP forums. Specifically:
#mc_signup_form .mc_input {width: 140px; }
#mc_signup_form {width: 140px;}
.mc_form_inside {width: 150px;}
Would I need to remove any of those things?
Hi Chrisrahe,
Looking at this again, it seems that the problem might be with the div in your side bar. You can remove the css that you mentioned above. Let me explain what's happening here. In your site's css, the width and background image/color are applied to all divs in the sidebar. Our plugin uses divs to wrap the elements in the form. So there are a few styles you need to add to the target just the form divs in the sidebar.
First the div that wraps the form needs to be targeted and it's width needs to be adjusted. Then the form element needs to have a width that's less than 180px to fit in the sidebar. Add this bit of css to do that.
#sidebar div#mc_signup, #sidebar form#mc_signup_form {
width: 150px;
Then you need to remove the background color and padding from div elements in the signup form. Modify the css the MC_Gabe suggested earlier to do that.
#sidebar #mc_signup_form div {
width: 150px;
padding: 0;
background: none;
Also your input elements seem to be a little small. If you want to adjust them, this css can do that.
#sidebar #mc_signup input[type=text] {
padding: 10px;
width: 130px;
margin-left: 0;
You can add this all in one chunk replacing the css that you added earlier. Let us know if you have any other questions.
Thanks for all the help. As you can see at http://www.mennoniteusa.org/publications/on-the-way/on-the-way-vol-1-no-9/, we're getting closer, but the form is still looking kind of funky.
Hey Chrisrahe,
After taking a look at the site, it looks like the CSS file being used still contains the CSS you mentioned in your previous post rather than the CSS recommended by mc_dominic. I'm still seeing this present in the CSS:
/* Theme Sidebar Elements */
#sidebar #mc_signup_form .mc_input {width: 110px; }
#sidebar #mc_signup_form {width: 110px;}
.mc_form_inside {width: 110px;}
#sidebar #mc_signup_form div {width: 110px;}
Whereas, per mc_dominic's instructions, things should click into place if that's replaced by:
/* Theme Sidebar Elements */
#sidebar div#mc_signup, #sidebar form#mc_signup_form {
width: 150px;
#sidebar #mc_signup_form div {
width: 150px;
padding: 0;
background: none;
#sidebar #mc_signup input[type=text] {
padding: 10px;
width: 130px;
margin-left: 0;
I'm using a managed host and I guess I needed to purge the cache on their server. It's not perfect, but acceptable now.
Thanks for all your help!
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The shrieking night in my brain grows louder as the stars shine bright above. CRESSIDA is its shrill call. CRESSIDA is that against which I have no power. CRESSIDA is what I require.
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You might be able to find one of these things rotting away in your neighbor's barn, but that doesn't mean that the original Mazda RX-7 isn't a true, glorious, flawed masterpiece the likes of which the car world rarely sees.
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The Ferrari F50 is often remembered as a flop: it was slower than the car it replaced and for years its styling was absolutely reviled. I think the problem was that the thing was built 60 years too late, and it's all because of that engine.
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Perfect size for a one person breakfast
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By Nanny Carole
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This cooks good & takes up small space. Would be better if it were a better quality finish.
By Chris
from Shelbyville, Kentucky
saves cooking oil, use less than a full size skillet. Love that. The size is perfect for making small amounts of food. Very convenient.
Great sized skillet
By Susan the Cook
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My husband and I drive a truck over the road. The compact size is great since our storage is limited. The size is great for the two of us. I ordered two of them. I love them. I haven't found anything yet that I don't like about them.
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perfect size for 1 or 2 people
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quick cooking for small amountsperfect size, love it
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Great product.
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I am ordering my second one because the temperture dial on the power probe broke after two years of use. I used it regularly for scarmbled eggs and I did find its "non-stick" surface to be poorer than on my full size electric skillet. If I could find another brand I would try it instead, but this is the only one I have been able to find. I would recommend, but with cautions
don't buy this skillet
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used for 1 week. slow to heat up, only half the pan heated. food sticks. simply unusable
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It is slow to heat but the worst part is that it doesn't get very hot even at the highest setting.
PERFECT Skillet!
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The swine flu came from Mexico, therefore its now the Mexican Flu. This flu is potentially deadly even to young healthy adults. If you have the Mexican Flu you should you should consider burrying yourself for weeks.
Yo, my girl just came from Mexico and now she has the Mexican flu..... that hoe must have sucked face with a few of them.
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The 2009 equivalent of the Asian Flu. It is a deadly disease that is contagious,has caused much political and social distress in the United States, and it originated in Mexico.
Bird Flu is to Asian Flu, as Swine Flu is to Mexican Flu.
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Super ! La meilleure adresse de Tunis
Nous venons de revenir d'un voyage de dix jours en Tunisie, et nous avons ador� cet h�tel-boutique qui se trouve dans la m�dina de Tunis. Il est tr�s bien situ�, les chambres sont propres et le personnel tr�s serviable. Nous sommes all�s dans un autre h�tel � Tunis, la veille de notre d�part, qui �tait affreux en comparaison.
Le seul hôtel-boutique de Tunis (et le meilleur !)
Cet h�tel fantastique ne figure pas encore dans les guides, car il n'a ouvert ses portes que durant l'�t� 2005. Je l'ai trouv� par hasard, en faisant une recherche sur la toile. Ils est tr�s bien situ�, au coeur de la vieille ville de Tunis (la m�dina). Il s'agit d'une vieille maison, et l'architecte a su garder cette saveur particuli�re qu'ont les choses anciennes. Les chambres s'ouvrent sur des patios, et sont donc tr�s calmes. Le personnel est tr�s gentil et serviable, le petit d�jeuner au-dessus de la moyenne, et on trouve beaucoup de restaurants de grande qualit� dans le quartier. Ne venez pas en voiture (en r�gle g�n�rale, � Tunis, prenez le taxi ou le m�tro et oubliez les voitures de location !), et dans le premier cas pr�cisez l'adresse au chauffeur, sinon il vous emm�nera � l'h�tel "La M�dina", un �tablissement tr�s connu qui se trouve exactement � l'autre bout de la m�dina ! Allez-y avant qu'il ne devienne l'h�tel le plus fr�quent� de la ville ! C'�tait une surprise pour nous, car tous les autres h�tels de Tunis sont soit d'�normes b�timents moches de 500 chambres, soit des endroits incroyablement bruyants. Le prix de la chambre est plus europ�en que tunisien, bien s�r, mais elle le vaut.
Perfect romantic getaway
This place is a true oasis in the middle of a busy city. Tucked away in the Medina you wouldn't notice it was there unless you knew. We stayed here two nights and loved every minute of it.
We were picked up and taken to the hotel for 40 dinars (expensive but hassle-free when you arrive as late as we did!). The hotel organised this for us.
Everything was perfect - service, cleanliness, presentation. It was such an intimate place but we hardly saw any of the other guests while we were there. A copious breakfast was served in a delightful little room near the entrance and we took tea on the terrace one night - great view!
We actually came back through Tunis at the end of our stay in Tunisia and the hotel kindly took our suitcases for us for a few hours. Nothing was a problem.
We stayed in one of the smaller rooms for 110 euros per night. If you can afford the 140 euros for a suite, don't hold back. I saw two of them briefly and they are spacious and stunning.
A Gem -- Exquisite -- Highly Recommended
The Dar El Medina hotel in the ancient medina section of Tunis is a gem. The hotel was created recently from a home and has about 12 rooms, each different. The rooms are exquisitely appointed with Arabic texts, art, etc. It is like staying in an art museum. There are no radios or TVs, it is very quiet. Most rooms require climbing stairs (tiled and beautiful); I do not remember seeing an elevator, if that is important. The staff is so helpful and attentive it was a pleasure to stay there. The hotel functions primarily in French, with Arabic of course. One of the employees speaks English and could not have been more helpful. The breakfast which is included is excellent. There is a pervasive feeling of kindness and devotion to the guests' needs. I had to catch an early flight, and the owner and one of the employess got up at 5 a.m. to fix breakfast and say good bye. If there is a location in the medina -- a maze of 1000 year old streets and a treat in itself just to walk around -- a staff member will volunteer to guide you there. There is limited room service, only non alchoholic drinks, but many cafes are close by. There is a wonderful rooftop area with great views of Tunis. As the hotel is new, everything works very well (eg bathroom) and the air conditioning is excellent, which was helpful as when I was there in June it was well over 100 degrees F every day. The hotel is near the government plaza (prime minister's office etc) so it is easy to get a cab within a one minute walk. One of the best restaurants in Tunisia, the Dar El Jeld, is less than a one minute walk, also in the medina, and shouldn't be missed. Excellent hotel !!
Boutique hotel in the medina of Tunis
El Dar El Medina is a charming boutique hotel in the medina (old city) of Tunis, the capital of Tunisa. To my knowledge, it is the only hotel of its kind in the medina. The hotel was, historically, the home of the family who own and operate it. It is located very near the Place du Gouvernement, which is a spacious square on the edge of medina--and a drop-off point for taxis. From there it is a short walk to the hotel, which is on an ancient narrow street that most taxi drivers would probably not know how to get to.
Service is personal and unfailingly considerate. The owner or his son are frequently in attendance at the reception. We arrived somewhat frazzled since British Air had seen fit to leave our luggage in London and we were dressed more for a cool drizzly London morning than a sunny day in Tunis. We were thoughtfully supplied with toothbrushes by Hedi, the owner's son, who also drove me to the airport the following day, at 11PM to collect our luggage (which arrived 36 hours after we did.)
A lavish breakfast is included in the price of the room. The hotel has no restaurant but is located close to two very good restaurants housed in beautiful mansions of the Ottoman period--Dar Hamoud Pacha is located on the same street as the hotel and Dar El Jidr, reputed to be one of the best restaurants in the city, is less than ten minutes walk away.
The terrace on the roof of the hotel has a lovely panoramic view over the medina and is a beutiful place to have coffee (or other non-alcholic drink) at sunset.
There are two price categories of rooms--ours was in the less expensive category. The difference is chiefly in size. Ours had everything one could want (the hotel has no television, however) and the large window looked out on a charming interior patio.
El Dar El Medina was an excellent place from which to explore the medina: its narrow alleys, atmospheric architecture, and, of course, the myriad crafts shops. And when you return from your explorations, you are made to feel like a very welcome guest.
Loved It! Best place to stay in Tunis
We just got back from a 10-day trip to Tunisia, and we absolutely loved this boutique hotel in the Tunis Medina. The location was great, and the rooms were clean and the staff very helpful. We stayed in another Tunis hotel on our last night before leaving the country, and it was dire in comparison.
Brilliant hotel in the Tunis Medina
My boyfriend and I spent the Easter weekend at this lovely 12 room hotel, hidden in a back street of the old Medina in Tunis. It is a converted Tunisian house, with quiet terraces and courtyards all over the place in which you can sit and chill out on cushions or (in the case of the roof terrace) enjoy the great view over the roofs of the old town.
The staff are charming. In most cases their English is not great, but they were very patient with my slow, bad French accompanied by lots of hand signals.
When we arrived, a bowl of fruit, glasses of juice and a bottle of water was brought to our room immediately - very refreshing after the treck from London. The room itself was also lovely - circular, with a view over the courtyard. Wooden shutters, marble lined bathroom, marble floor etc.
The proximity to the medina is very handy, and it is also a short walk through to the 'European' end of town, where there are some great restaurants (we had very good and reasonably priced meals at both La Momma? and Chez Nous, very close to eachother on the same street). We also had a posh meal at a restaurant within the medina - I forget the name - which the reception staff booked for us (and walked us down there, refusing a tip).
The hotel cost 110 Euros a night for one of the simpler rooms (like ours). For a bit extra (142E) you get something a bit fancier. These rates include a great breakfast - freshly squeezed orange juice and lots of fresh croissants and cakes. Once we were there, we didn't spend that much as eating out is very reasonable. We got around mostly by public transport (trams, and the TGV out to Carthage/Sidi Bou Side), but on the last day we were lazy and got cabs - had I realised how cheap they were I'd have been taking them all along!
A delightful spot
The Dar el Medina is a unique and delightful hotel with spacious accomodations and a helpful staff. Getting there is a bit of a challenge because it is located in the Medina (old city) and there is limited vehicular traffic. The hotel will send porters to help transport your luggage over the approximately 2-3 block cobbled foot route to the hotel. Once there, everything is modern and clean. Breakfast was very enjoyable and the staff had good recommendations for other meals. The room/suite was nicely furnished and everything worked in the bathroom.
The only (and best!) boutique hotel in Tunis
This is a wonderful place that you don't find yet in any guidebook, since the hotel opened summer 2005. I found it by accident, through a web search.
The location is perfect in the middle of the Tunis old town (Medina). It is in an old house, and the architect kept the flavour of the past. The rooms open on inside patios, hence it is very quiet.
The staff is very friendly and helpful, the breakfast over average, and there are many great top-notch restaurants within walking distance.
Don't come by car (as a general rule, in Tunis, stick to taxi and metro, forget about renting a car!!!), and by taxi specify the address to the taxi guy, if not he will bring you to the "Hotel La Medina", a well-known hostel exactly opposite in the medina!
Try it before it becomes the most popular place in town! This was an unexpected suprise for us, since all other Tunis hotels are either huge ugly big things of 500 rooms, or ghastly noisy hostels. The room rate is more Western than Tunisian, of course, but it worth it.
High praise for Dar El Medina, the only boutique hotel in Tunis
There is a great place to stay in the Tunis medina -- Dar El Medina is located smack in the middle of the old town. It is a refurbished old house that is beautifully redone in the old style, but with modern touches and conveniences. About 10-12 rooms, each different.
We stayed there 4 nights (and on our return) and loved it. The staff are incredibly helpful and friendly, the rooms are really neat and the location is top notch. We have a 2 year old and folks were so friendly and accomodating.
I would return in a heartbeat, and see no reason to stay anywhere else in Tunis -- this was our favorite hotel in all of Tunisia! Price is well worth it.
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One of the special things about visiting Mexico is their consistency: stellar customer service, food, cocktails and street treats. And agua de Jamiaca or hibiscus tea water, of course. There's a story of how I became friendly with the fresh water drink.
Every time we've enjoyed a stay at a 4 or 5 star resort in Mexico, I've made it a point to take gym clothes to work out. Have you seen the spread at some of these resorts? All decked out, fine Mexican men walking around in muscle shirts, great music mixes and lots of apples. One gym that sticks out the most was in Neuvo Vallarta, about 3 years ago. The entrance to the gym was bordered by cascading water and big rock formations. Once we entered (sis tag-teamed), the sweet incense took over. None of the funky junk smell that usually permeates those facilities. But what jumped at me as I walked into the main free weight salon was a huge glass dispenser filled with a ruby red drink. I was so confused. Juice servings at the gym? Next to it was a water dispenser but the idea of what I thought was a super sweet juice threw me off. I'm there to get my sweat on and burn calories from the massive amounts of guac — not drink frivolous juice.
To my sweet surprise it was agua de Jamaica. There, hibiscus tea is like Coke to Americans. It's everywhere, cheap and a national staple. I was delighted to sip on the tart water between excercise sets or cardio workouts. Forget the water. The red stuff was good, a bit tangy and refrescante.
I quickly realized the drink wasn't new to my palate. West Indians, mostly Jamaicans have the same drink called sorrel! Some of my family (my Jamaican side) has it by gallons at every small or large party. It's a very common drink in the Caribbean as well. Next to natural ginger beer, it's consumed the most and wiped out before you can ask for a 4th cup. The main difference in preparation is that sorrel is sweeter, bolder and sometimes spiked with rum; exactly how I'd enjoy it.
I hit up a few street markets during that visit to Mexico to find a hefty bag of the loose flower buds and other goodies. I came across vendors selling small bags for cheap and scooped up a couple. I'm talking about .80-$1.00 for a bag containing about 2.5 cups. It hit me that I had also bought some in Trinidad one year prior and that bag was still sitting on the top shelf of my Atlanta kitchen cupboard. Trini's drink it a lot, too, hence it's availability anywhere you shop.
I've been back to Mexico 3 times since that Nuevo Vallarta trip and have bought more hibiscus. I finally made some at home and dubbed it my "gym drink."
Yesterday was one of those days where the fridge offered absolutely nothing for my buds. The standard stuff and my dad's high pulp orange juice was not attractive. It was hot, I was in physical pain and needed something that would relax my mood and make me feel happy. Bright drinks or food can do that to you. I went straight for my last stash of hibiscus and conjured up a new recipe.
This is what I came up and drank 4 wine glasses worth before calling it a night. It's pretty, isn't it?!
A few notes. Hibiscus tea, made from the calyces of the hibiscus flower, tastes much like cranberry juice once brewed and chilled. It's kind of tart so you have to offset that with some really good sugar. Traditionally, piloncillo, a cone of brown sugar from Mexico, is used. Our local international market was out so I used panela, a round Columbian version. It was just as good. I'm not into really sweet drinks, so my version is probably a tad bit more bitter than what you'd enjoy on the streets of Jalisco or your friendly neighbor's house, so just add a bit more of that brown sugar or refined white. I also added some ginger to give it a twist. That worked marvelously. Ultimately, the drink has aromas of fall and Holiday moods but it works year round. Especially when it's hod and humid out.
You can find bags of Jamaica leaves in any International or Latin market near you. Or, just go to Mexico and bring some pounds back. A tightly packed bag will keep at least two years. I know.
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