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Why is Gillard now pushing what she told Rudd was poison?
Andrew Bolt
–, Tuesday, September, 28, 2010, (10:48am)
Terry McCrann is mystified by Prime Minister Julia Gillard's decision to consider imposing the carbon tax she ruled out just six weeks ago, when there was an election to win:
Why did she earlier lead the push in the Gang of Four to dump the Government's ETS - the move which destroyed Kevin Rudd's credibility and ultimately sealed his fate?
Presumably because she thought it would cost votes and possibly government. Yet now, at the first opportunity after the election, she's grabbed what she thought was the hottest of hot potatoes!...
No, Julia's experience could mirror that of the Canadian government that tried a similar slick trick to her - promising in the election campaign no GST and then slipping it in after winning the election.
At the next election, it was reduced to two seats. Yes, two seats. And Julia is supposed to be the smart one.
No kidding, Sherlock:
KEY independent Tony Windsor has expressed concern about the impact of a carbon price on the cost of food.
KEY independent Tony Windsor has expressed concern about the impact of a carbon price on the cost of food.
Wait until it dawns on Windsor that a carbon dioxide tax will also send power bills through the roof.
Reader Stephen wonders just how high an Australian carbon tax would have to be to actually force people to slash their emissions, when the overseas data is so discouraging:
How effective are taxes (and similar schemes) at significantly and meaningfully reducing emissions? As the stated goal is to save the planet from the "dangerous" levels of CO2, the actual levels need to be reduced substantially. This is especially the case where other countries are increasing their emissions and will continue to do so.
Some interesting data:
Both Sweden and Finland implemented carbon taxes in the 90s, how effective have they been at reducing CO2 levels? Almost meaningless up to 2006.
By 2006, Finland had grown its emissions by 2.5 metric tons per capita, since implementing a tax. Sweden on the other hand had reduced its emissions by 0.8 tons per capita, since implementing a tax. According to the "science", I'm assuming this is inadequate.
Over this same period, Australia grew its emission by 0.8 tons per capita. Between these two countries and our own, there is no meaningful difference in emissions with or without a tax. The question then becomes: how painful does the tax need to be for it to actually be meaningful (from a believer's perspective)?
Dates obtained for carbon tax implementation here. Data set for emissions here.
The Greens MP for Melbourne, Adam Bandt, boasts on Twitter that the Greens forced Julia Gillard yesterday to set up her rigged committee to work out how to tax emissions:
Because Melb went Green on Aug 21, we could negotiate a committee to put a price on pollution. Today the c'ee was set up. Well done, Melb.
about 16 hours ago via TweetDeck
Retweeted by 28 people
The Government really is a Greens-Labor coalition.
Meanwhile, the rest of the world keeps refusing to do what Gillard says we must - and that includes even Barack Obama's US:
President Barack Obama's dream of passing a big bill to battle global warming is likely dead for the rest of his term, according to a leading Democrat and long time backer of climate legislation.
"I don't see a comprehensive bill going anywhere in the next two years," Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee Chairman Jeff Bingaman told the Reuters Washington Summit on Wednesday.
Bingaman's comments are the most frank to date from a Democratic senator on legislation that Obama has said was key to giving the United States a lead role in global efforts to fight climate change.
(Thanks to readers Deb and Alan RM Jones.)
Have Your Say
Global Warming! Bring It On I Say!!!
Our Dams Are Full..
We Continue To Receive Unseasonal Rainfall..
Weve Been Told For Years Now That Our Dams Will Be Dry & We Just Cant Expect Rain To Fall The Way Weve Been Accustomed To For Centuries..
Australia Is Deluged With Water…
Global Warming Must Be A Terrific Thing!!!
Tue 28 Sep 10 (07:02am)
Tue 28 Sep 10 (10:00am)
Oh Yeah Baby BRING IT ON! I would love to see Gillard commit political suicide on this! She will be hanging the ALP out to swing in the breeze with its baby pink bottom exposed to thousands of nails at the same time and the ALP Right will be squealing like stuck pigs! We might even see another assasination because of it.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (10:07am)
Seems like global warming is good for snowfall too. Spencers Creek Historical Snow Depth
Tue 28 Sep 10 (11:51am)
PLEASE! Would someone see this for what it is!
Re: "Why is Gillard now pushing what she told Rudd was poison?".
Our Labor Govt. has been hijacked by the Corporate Progressive Globalists who control the world and are pushing for a One World Govt. and Currency.
Some examples of their Agenda;
Carbon Tax - Has nothing to do with saving the planet, but everything to do with depleting the Middle Class and forcing people to become more dependent on Big Govt. The more dependent - The more control.
E-Health Records - Backed by Big Pharma to control not only your personal information, but to control your GP and their prescriptions to you. Just look what has happened in America.
Govt. and Corporate Jobs for mates and family - How do you think the Rudd's became so wealthy??? Bias Govt. Contracts thats How! The question is what price is our Country and Economy going to pay for the UN Globalist Progressive policies Kevin Rudd is trying to force upon us???
Internet Filter - Big Brother Govt. = more Control, loss of privacy rights.
Green Jobs - For every Green Job created it costs 2 free market jobs! Research what has happened in Spain.
Next on the Agenda is a Transaction Tax whereby you will pay a levy to UN and World Bank on every single transaction you make!
These people are ruthless and they Won't Stop unless you Stop them at the ballot box first!
I could go on and on, please start educating yourselves as to Why this is all happening so fast.
Progressive Socialism is right here in this Country, Right now!
Unless you start educating yourself on their Worldwide Agenda and stand up for your rights! You will continue to be Deceived by Gillar/Rudd the UN and their cronies! Wake Up!
Tue 28 Sep 10 (01:45pm)
crazy, we drove Melb. to Sunshine Coast and return this month by different routes and every farm dam was full and all creeks flowing, where they weren't overflowing and most of the trip was completed before the recent floods in Nt'n. Vic. Have done this trip many times and have never seen so much land under crops in mid and Nth. NSW - all the sheep are crowded into a few padocks where there is more than enough feed for them. We were passed by many on farm grain silos being delivered, Thanks global warming , or whatever it is this week.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (02:27pm)
CAGW spin is attempting to hijack the language of the climate realist.
They are currently making strange references to a carbon price being necessary to 'protect competitiveness'.
Clearly this is just a reversal of the true state of affairs, where increased costs of production will make Australian industry less competitive.
The assertion is made without any facts or argument to back it up, and I hav enoticed it creeping into the rhetoric recently.
Next they are going to attempt to hijack the phrase 'going it alone', which was previously used in realist arguments against Australian acting before the rest of the world. They are attempting to reframe is as Australia being the only country without a carbon price.
Both techniques depend on creating the perception that most other countries in the world are progressing towards a carbon price and that Australia is the only one who is not. This is of course completely false, but thats never stopped CAGW before!
This whole strategy assumes that Australians cant read the internet and have no source of international news, so its likely to fail badly. But its real purpose isnt to convince anyone, its just to provide a plausible cover story for the impending carbon tax which nobody voted for.
Remeber: The purpose of propoganda is not to decieve, its purpose is to give moral cowards a justification for doing nothing.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (05:14pm)
The ALP must be worried; the usual stupid trolls have been working overtime on this thread. However, the simple fact is that gillard has reneged on her no carbon tax promise.
Another point ignored or not understood by the ferrals is that a carbon tax means that the government sets the price for it. 2 things flow from this:
1 The tax rate will have to be high enough to force people onto the subsidised renewable energy sources, or, more realistically, to stop using the fossil fuels since renewables cannot replace the fossils: if this works it will do so because there will be no power at all.
2 If the tax rate is higher than the international rate for carbon then there will be a distorted internal market for CO2 in Australia. Currently carbon is worth nothing on the market:
This is why the ALP cannot establish a carbon market or an ETS; the market places no value on carbon. But a carbon tax will create a negative market for carbon depletion. At its simplest those industries which are carbon intensive will stop producing and take the compensation [carbon credit payments] for carbon reduction that cessation achieves. One can envisage such industries being bought at wholesale prices so the new buyer can profit on the cessation compensation.
Australia will not only lose on the loss of cheap energy but multiple times as carbon industries are bought and closed.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (07:28pm)
REPLY TO FRED, you are absolutely right, Australia has almost been taken over by the 'ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT' not far to go now, unless the people of this nation take note and start confronting the politicians about it. Greg Combet scoffed at Nic Minchin in parliament this year saying Nic believed in conspiracies, it is NOT a conspiracy just check out the UN, World Bank,Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg Group web sites, just for starters, you will see the list of the members on their sites, on the Trilateral Commission you will find, Ross Garnaut and Marius Kloppers, and Rudd is a self confessed Globalist, it is all there on the web sites for anyone to read for themselves. But the government certainly wont tell you and neither will the media because the whole of the media is already owned by the powers that be.
The gate is almost shut tight, we have to shout out NOW if we want to try and stop this. Next it will be a chip in your arm to identify you.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (08:44pm)
Julia Gillard couldn't care less about Climate Change. She and Wayne are addicted to big government.The carbon tax is just another chance for them to grab our money and fill the Treasury's coffers.
Julia Gillard is an ambitious woman who thinks her future in the Lodge depends on her keeping the Greens up close and personal. She will promise anything and everything to remain in power and would be hoping that any fall-out would be more than negated by a partisan media.
At best Julia Gillard has proven herself to be a second-rate politician who has reached her level of incompetence. With her new flimsy government, Gillard will find it increasingly difficult to manage. She struggled to organise the simple job of organising her ministries and we all remember the East Timor Solution and the BER etc etc? The idea of her managing a carbon tax or an ETS is laughable.
Let's hope Tony Abbott can work a miracle before July 2011. The sooner he can get rid of the Green/ALP alliance, otherwise known as GALPA, the better for Australia.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (09:30pm)
Another lie from the lady of spin....so what??!! What can we do except sit on a website and whinge about it. I know some take this as therapy (i know i do), but how have we gotten to the point where our politicians are so brazen to promise us one thing, and then break it less than two months later and not be able to be held accountable for another 3 years??!!
If anyone thinks we live in a democracy then they are kidding. We get a farcical "election" every 3 years to see what the "majority" wants, and even then the minority gets in, and what can we do about it....thats right f'all. So while the majority fritters its time away on the internet posting comments like this, frustated for a lack of voice, those who belive themselves above honesty and integrity continue to govern believing only their way is right!!
And yet this is the best system in the world??!! Forget global warming to screw us, we are doing that pretty well ourselves.
Wed 29 Sep 10 (01:26am)
Ya not wrong Admiral.... except they ain't gonna call it "Global Warming", no more… They ain't even gonna call it "Climate change", neither.... 'tis got a new name now mate.... "Global Climate Disruption"
There's no doubt about 'em.... They'll just keep spinning lies 'til th' cows come home!!!
Howes hands gubmint to the Greens in knifing Rudd pre-election: master stroke, bovver boy…
Tue 28 Sep 10 (07:16am)
Tue 28 Sep 10 (05:18pm)
The GG is not giving up that easily. GG has outlined the gubmints policy priorities (including the ones that break election promises) in her 'non-partisan' parliament opening speach.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (05:19pm)
This just reinforces my long held view that Gillard is not the intelligent person Alan Jones and others kept reminding us how smart and clever she was and what a great leader she'd be one day. Well that day has come and there is no sign of any smarts or cleverness just bad judgement all round. As Ross Fitzgerald wrote in the Australian yesterday she makes Rudd look good!
Gillard isn't running the country the GRreens and indies are! The sooner we go back to the polls the better. She has morphed into madam Bligh and she's the national president of the ALP!
Parliament will be fascinating to watch today.
'Look at moiye, I'm as hapless as a PM up a tree
Never knowing my Right foot from my Left
My hat from my glove
I'm soo giddy and bogged down in mud'
Tue 28 Sep 10 (07:17am)
Tue 28 Sep 10 (09:20am)
Without Bruce Hawker Gillard wouldn't know what to say about anything, BTW who pays his gigantic fees???
Tue 28 Sep 10 (10:06am)
give the woman a break Doc, she's been busy re-arranging the furniture in The Lodge, hanging portraits of Marx and Lenin on the walls, and having her de-facto put blonde streaks in her hair. She hasn't had the time to govern.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (10:20am)
I loved the way "The Team" were positioned for the group hug/photo opportunity to announce the Carbon Tax Committee yesterday, Doc.
Only thing is though,it didn't work out too well for Leadership hopeful Julia Gillard,did it.
There was The Prime Minister,Bob Brown and his deputy,Christine Milne,leading the Green/ALP coalition. Then there was the leader of the ALP,Julia and her deputy Swan.
Oh,was Bobby Oakshott there? No room for him in the new paradigm?They really are a bitchy lot, aren't they.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (01:52pm)
give the woman a break Doc.... That's the job of First Bogan of throw pillows. Her house in Altona is totally devoid of ambiance like the fruit bowl was totally devoid of fruit.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (01:56pm)
RIGHT NOW and under our very noses our country is being governed by nothing more than useless dreamers.
Common sense is dead and unreality is King.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (03:57pm)
Yes Allan Jones campained aggressively for months in favour of Gillard taking over from Rudd. So maybe Jones in his over the top involvement pushing the coalition cause infact helped labour to win the election. If I recall correctly Andrew also was somewhat smitten with Ms Gillard.
Further to Jones's inadvertant bumbling damage to his favourite cause was the grovelling support he gave oakshott when he was standing for the nationals a few years back.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (08:57pm)
Gillard has reached her level of incompetency. It's called The Peter Principle. She couldn't even manage to organize her ministries and remember the East Timor Solution and Citizens' Assemblies. I think the partisan media greatly over-estimated this woman. History will not judge her kindly. I think at best she has a good memory and can memorize Bruce Hawker's lines. She probably could have had a career on the stage. She also the Queen of put-downs and spins but as a politician she is below average.
Gillard's pre-election promise to the Greens is a greater importance than her pre-election promise to the electorate.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State." Joseph Goebbels
Tue 28 Sep 10 (07:25am)
Spinarella is beholden to the green-communist party so must do what they say. No doubt she thinks (based on past experience) that she can just lie her way out of the mess when it comes to the next election (because she has a compliant meedia and, for the most part, a dumb, unthinking public)
Tue 28 Sep 10 (07:34am)
Tue 28 Sep 10 (10:56am)
And what about that great communist country China, Lord Jim? What are they doing to change their so called green house emissions? Buy more cars of course. Around 13 million cars were sold in China in 2009, accounting for 22 percent of the global sales volume, and the energy consumption also reached 22 percent of the worldwide total.
Why are we inflicting pain on ourselves when China consumes over 2.01 billion metric tons of coal a year (See here). As if our token efforts will make any difference. An absolute joke!
Tue 28 Sep 10 (11:14am)
If the main of this tax is "carbon", then all forms of fuel and energy will be taxed. Increases in all forms of fuel/engery will result in every single thing going up. Food, construction material, labour rates (because transport and cost of living go up), imported goods (transport costs), etc.
There isnt a single product or service that wont go up in price by a few %.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (01:16pm)
Meanwhile living in such a sparsely populated continent ALL our emissions are sequested naturally as even this CSIRO paper states:
The standard parameterisation of the model suggests that the changing CO2 concentration and temperature regime since 1750 AD has been causing continuous net sequestration of carbon into Australian live vegetation and soils. The present modelled rate of net sequestration is of a similar magnitude to CO2 emissions from continental fossil fuel burning and land clearing combined. The rate of sequestration is predicted to continue to increase until 2050 AD and beyond if atmospheric CO2 concentration and temperature continue to increase
Tue 28 Sep 10 (03:12pm)
Ripper, that paper is a ripper! Some people were talking about suing the CSIRO over the misleading State of Climate report which fallaciously said AGW was worsening; this is further ammunition.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (05:59pm)
Gifford's paper was published in 1992,cohenite. Surely you can't trust the model projections presented?
Tue 28 Sep 10 (08:31pm)
There are 4 things, that when applied, are invaluable to assist thought and decisions making…
1. Repeating the same behaviour and expecting a different outcome is insane....
Continuously pressing the "enter" key when the error message tells you the same thing over and over will not change the error message and/or solve your problem.
Australia has just re-elected Labour, therefore repeating the same behaviour
2. If you want what others have, you must do what they do.
If you want to go to prison, then do what a criminal does.
If you want wealth, then do what wealthy people do. If you want a free and fair society, then do what free and fair society's do.
3. Don't listen to what people say, watch what they do...
Talk is intention. Actions are proof.
4. Failing to understand history is failing to learn.
If you can't follow others experiences and learn from them,… what's the point?
I do beleive teh western world (including Australia)is missing all these points, and is destined for same serious trouble to come.
Wed 29 Sep 10 (09:37am)
Good one Poly!! Is there a chance you don't take yourself, and those amusing apocalyptical models you once relied upon on the Green Blog,so seriously now? Well done !
Juliar Gillard is unfit to hold power.
Like many Labor schemes, Gillard went to the governor-general and claimed that she could govern was, before she'd looked at the details.
She hadn't thought about finding a Speaker and Deputy Speaker, and when difficulties arose she found it wasn't a problem that Labor could throw money at like the insulation fiasco.
Now she's finding that she isn't governing at all. She does whatever the Greens and independents want. Independents are a fact of life and come from specific electorates, but most people in Australia didn't vote for Greens in the senate. She'd do well to remember this.
If the G-G had any sense and impartiality she'd give Gillard 4 weeks to lift her game or call new elections.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (07:35am)
Tue 28 Sep 10 (10:17am)
here here
joolias negociation 101 yes yes whatever you want
Tue 28 Sep 10 (10:50am)
The GG has no sense, as we all well know. Barbie Bryce Rudds mate, has unconstitutionaly toured Africa lobbying for Kevs personal UN agenda
at huge expense to us the taxpayers.
To compound the question of the GG's "impartiality" her daughter is married to Bill Shorten who is responsible for the installation of
flirty girl as PM.
So Labor has all bases covered as they desperately do, say, spin obfuscation anything and everything to
retain government.
What? A carbon tax is gonna raise cost of living? Bulldust! I was told by Joowya and the Greens (who I trust wholeheartedly) that it wouldn't have much of an impact on everyday life! Next thing you know, you'll be making the crazy statement that wind and solar power aren't all that reliable!
Tue 28 Sep 10 (07:36am)
Tue 28 Sep 10 (10:22am)
If newspaper quotes can be believed, Mr Windsor is quoted as saying that he is going on the committee "with an open mind" but a carbon price is "inevitable" I could say that I am contemplating death with an open mind while I know it is inevitable - don't think I'd bother joining a committee charged only with figuring out the cost of the funeral.
No kidding, Sherlock:KEY independent Tony Windsor has expressed concern about the impact of a carbon price on the cost of food.
Wait until it dawns on Windsor that a carbon dioxide tax will also send power bills through the roof.
Obviously Windsor knows this. A carbon price has to have an effect on food and electricity prices for it to work.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (07:41am)
Tue 28 Sep 10 (09:34am)
A carbon price has to have an effect on food and electricity prices for it to work.
By "work" Trevor, I assume you mean to "lower global average temperatures".
Can you please remind us how much the increase in food and electricity prices will reduce our global average temperature by?
How much of the Great Barrier Reef will be saved?
How will the poor and the pensioners be affected?
Is a pensioner having to cut back on one or two meals a week, or living in a freezing house considered "working"?
When these questions are answered, we can determine whether the "cost" of doing the "work" is worth it.
But due-diligence has never been Labors strong point.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (09:38am)
Big Ted, Andrew was not referring to you when he said "No kidding Sherlock"!
Tue 28 Sep 10 (09:49am)
Obviously Windsor knows this. A carbon price has to have an effect on food and electricity prices for it to work.
Exactly, you are all about inflicting pain on people. You could care less about the environment. The only thing you care about is stopping consumption, stopping capitalism. You are socialists and viciously totalitarian ones at that.
Feel free to volunteer yourself for some of the pain you are so willing to inflict on others. Feel free to set and example and stop emitting CO2 yourself. You green nutjobs are all talk.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (09:54am)
That's right 'Big Ted'. And when those who can't afford to pay more (presumably the poorer and more disadvantaged members of society...Labor's natural constituency BTW) start cutting back on essentials, it will just be the system 'working the way it's meant to'. OWN GOAL TO LABOR!
And don't start with the crap about 'reducing' energy use. In case it has escaped your attention, apart from a hapless, hopeless and feckless minority, most people on low income already practise mindful and stringent economies when it comes to their expenditure on the full range of consumables.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (10:28am)
Windsor said, that he is approaching it with an open mind, saying also that carbon tax is the only acceptable outcome. The same open mind as BT.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (10:44am)
I thought that this site is Andrew Bolt's blog not Big Ted's blog.
Big Ted can you please find yourself another bolg to write your stupid, repetiive conmments.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (11:38am)
Get with the times BT - it's global cooling now; just ask the richest elites on planet earth (Bilderberger Group).....GW/CC is so passe....move with the trends brother!
Tue 28 Sep 10 (12:46pm)
But due-diligence has never been Labors strong point.
LOL. What a dumb, dumb, dumb thing to say after Tony Abbott/Hockey/Robb were found to have an $11 billion hole in their homework that they initially refused to hand in? You're a shocker.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (12:59pm)
You know the paranoiacs have hijacked the right-wing when they start taking about the Bilderberger Group and Scientist on the Take. Oh, and Phyllis - LOL - you say they poor are going to suffer - actually it's the rich who will suffer most given they already have the biggest carbon footprints. As you say, the poor already have economised. Try an ensure the internal logical consistency of your thoughts before they turn into utterances.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (01:14pm)
When Howard won election after election, I never heard the greens call the Howard government an
"illegitimate government".
When Labor wins by 30 000 votes, we have the goose stepping totalitarians in the lib/nats claiming that Gillard is leading an "illegitimate government".
They dream of fascist dictatorship and one party rule.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (02:04pm)
A carbon price has to have an effect on food and electricity prices for it to work.
It will work - to put the political party who opposes it into government.
(And shouldn't it be affect?)
Tue 28 Sep 10 (02:27pm)
The elephant in the room that the redneck luvvies like Andwew miss is the greens will have control in the senate where Obama has an obstructionist redneck senate to deal with.The committee is set up to work out the type of carbon price, not, should we have a
carbon price. They may catch up one day, B.T. It's all good.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (03:00pm)
Hey Jonno, sorry about your elephant, but both the US House of representatives and Senate are currently Democrat controlled and he still can't get a climate tax through.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (03:01pm)
Who are these 'obstructionist rednecks' in the Senate who are obstructing Obama?
Tue 28 Sep 10 (03:01pm)
Not that he'd be too worried by price rises.
The nearly $5 million he got when he sold his farm to a coal mining company will see him sail comfortably through any troubles his decisions will impose on the vast majority of Australians.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (03:05pm)
Big Ted urging me to be logical. Now that IS funny, in a sad kind of way. The rich don't suffer...they can, and do, BUY their way out. Logical enough for you?
Tue 28 Sep 10 (03:50pm)
But due-diligence has never been Labors strong point.
LOL. What a dumb, dumb, dumb thing to say after Tony Abbott/Hockey/Robb were found to have an $11 billion hole in their homework that they initially refused to hand in? You're a shocker.
I note that you ignored my other questions, Trev.
I also can't believe you used a "the Liberals are worse, so you're dumb (and a shocker!!)" argument. LOL.
Due-diligence has never, never, never, been Labors strong point:
- Pushing ahead with a carbon tax when every country that can make a difference is shying away from it.
- Broadband: no cost benefit analysis.
- BER: Circus. Stimulated a lot of Builders. Good luck to them. Didn't stimulate much else.
- Pink Batts: "Gee, we didn't think anyone would rort this" fiasco.
- Etc., etc.
If we're going to have a carbon tax, lets see if Labor have the guts to tax our imported and exported carbon.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (03:52pm)
MattR replied to Big Ted
Tue 28 Sep 10 (08:49am)
Obviously Windsor knows this. A carbon price has to have an effect on food and electricity prices for it to work.Exactly, you are all about inflicting pain on people. You could care less about the environment. The only thing you care about is stopping consumption, stopping capitalism. You are socialists and viciously totalitarian ones at that.
Listen to yourself for just once and you might learn something - I'm not the one advocating a centralised, tax-payer funded, government picks winners and losers - your little zero-hero Abbott is the one publishing the above "viscously totalitarian" measures.
Or, don't you know that yet? It hasn't quite sunk in for you, has it - TA is your missing socialist. He want YOU to pay so others can make money bringing down atmospheric co2.
Isn't that nice… Tony 'Taxpayers Will Pay' Abbott?
Ironic that it is the Greens and Labor pushing the market-based mechanisms, hey?
Tue 28 Sep 10 (04:10pm)
Logical enough for you?
That thought fragment needs a subject before it finally grows up into a sentence. There is another grammatical mistake in your post that I won't go into. Sorry, but lazy English just annoys me. It signals lazy thinking, to me.
Phyllis replied to Big Ted
Tue 28 Sep 10 (02:05pm)
Big Ted urging me to be logical. Now that IS funny, in a sad kind of way. The rich don't suffer...they can, and do, BUY their way out.
Phyllis, how on earth do you 'buy' your way out of the effects of global warming? Try to think this through (as I have said before) before articulating.
How does the richest person in the world 'buy' their way out of a flood? There are some pretty, damned, rich people, wealthy in a way you couldn't even begin to comprehend, in Pakistan - yet all their money did not save their properties, animals and arable land from being washed away. The only advantage they might have over the poor is that they may have the capital to start again more easily.
Show me those rich people who used their excess wealth to 'buy' their way out of the Black Saturday fires last year.
Or, were you just talking about high electricity prices?
Tue 28 Sep 10 (04:14pm)
Their system doesn't work like ours. You'll find the democrats are scared of the redneck's in their states because they're
in such a precarious position. That's why Obama can't get it through. It's not his lack of will it's politics just in the case of the ETS. Difference is sweeties, we got angry and voted green. That's while we'll get a carbon tax. It's all good.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (04:17pm)
Jonno, you are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.
The current make up of the US Senate is Democrat 59 Republican 41. Until February this year the Democrats enjoyed a super-majority of 60 and could have passed any legislation they wanted without a Republican filibuster. Instead they decided, as all good statists do, to shaft the electorate with health care 'reform'.
Do try and get your posts factually correct otherwise you'll end up looking rather foolish.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (04:50pm)
Sea wolf
Half the democrats come from conservative states and are scared of losing. They don't
vote along party lines as much as us. The poor fool Obama made the mistake of thinking the republicans would debate the health care
bill with integrity. It took him too long to realise they are as deceitful as Abbott et-al.
That's why he's bills are in the mess they're all in. At the end of the day they're only Americans. It's all good.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (05:00pm)
Difference is sweeties, we got angry and voted green. That's while we'll get a carbon tax.
All 13% of you. What say you volunteer a carbon levy for these halfwits to blow on magic beans, and the rest of us who didn't vote for a carbon tax or ETS get on with having fun and burning stuff.
You lefties really are totalitarian swine, aren't you?
The one benefit of this disgraceful posturing is that it will hasten the demise of Woody Woodpecker and her coterie of cretins, and should ensure they remain out of office for the foreseeable future. Ditto Kommisar Bob and his feral fools.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (05:21pm)
Given some of your posts in the past I wouldn't be lecturing others about their grammar. Bravo for figuring out that I am not talking about the rich 'buying their way out of the effects of global warming'. That's not a product I buy. I am talking about all of the Australians who are going to suffer once we start 'addressing' a non-issue. The ones who are struggling to pay for food and energy now.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (05:28pm)
Reco replied to Big Ted
Tue 28 Sep 10 (12:14pm)
When Howard won election after election, I never heard the greens call the Howard government an
Honestly, how often are you going to push the same tiresome old lines? How many times to you have to be destroyed by people here before you just give up already?
Name one election where Howard won less seats than the ALP. Just ONE.
If not, feel free to slink away. You are a nothing but a joke.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (05:35pm)
Big Ted - you cannot PROVE climate change or man made AGW is a reality - you BELIEVE it is a real problem, most writing in reply to you do not. Big Ted - as a sign of tight,clear and concise thinking that you respect; ADMIT the FACTS - you cannot scientifically prove GW/CC exists like you can the law of gravity.......so you are arguing from a position of FAITH; NOT Science!!!! Get it Big Ted. So from a position of faith, you want to totally destroy capitalism and harm millions of people.....you are a deluded, sad and dysfunctional soul!
Tue 28 Sep 10 (05:40pm)
Jonno - 'at the end of the day it's all good' - you live in never never nirvana land mate....at the end of the day all will be a leftist socialist paradise; keep smokin the weed Jonno and saying your affirmations buddy, but as for me and 5 billion other souls on planet earth, I dont want to be controlled or give my soul to the left!!!!!
Tue 28 Sep 10 (05:44pm)
<But due-diligence has never been Labors strong point.>
----corrected version----
But due-intelligence has never been Big Ted's strong point.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (05:56pm)
Jonno @ 3.50pm
Thanks for helping me demonstrate my earlier comment.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (06:24pm)
Listen to yourself for just once and you might learn something - I'm not the one advocating a centralised, tax-payer funded, government picks winners and losers - your little zero-hero Abbott is the one publishing the above "viscously totalitarian" measures.
You are joking right? What the hell is a tax if not 'taxpayer funded'? You are advocating a centralised, legislated increase in living costs, for the one reason, as YOU have stated several times before, of making consumption hurt.
You are advocating nothing but a totalitirian implementation of YOUR religion upon the Australian public.
Or, don't you know that yet? It hasn't quite sunk in for you, has it - TA is your missing socialist. He want YOU to pay so others can make money bringing down atmospheric co2.
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realise that NOBODY will pay for this tax that you advocate.
Ironic that it is the Greens and Labor pushing the market-based mechanisms, hey?
And here is what you economic illiterates don't understand. How many times has it been explained to you that a carbon price is NOT market based? Honeslty, are you stupid or just stubborn? Calling an ETS 'market based' is like calling a virus 'animal based'.
The market has set a price on carbon and that price is $0
To say otherwise is nothing but spin and ignorance.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (07:20pm)
What Johnno is essentially saying is that the American voters (the constituents) do not want a tax or carbon dioxide or a Cap & Trade system.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (07:40pm)
Half the democrats come from conservative states and are scared of losing. They don't
vote along party lines as much as us.
Well Jonno, that is the poorest and stupidest argument I have heard from a warmy for a while.
If the science and the economics were so self evident why are these democrats frightened of losing at the next election after all they got elected in conservatives states didn't they?
You have lost this round fool, perhaps you need to re-evaluate your carbon argument. Don't bother asking your mate Ted for help, he is too stupid to follow his own twisted logic and if it isn't on the ALP daily facts sheet he can't string two words together.
Now run away to Mummy.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (08:23pm)
We'll see how much you enjoy burning stuff when the price of EVERYTHING goes up!!
Wed 29 Sep 10 (03:44am)
A carbon price has to have an effect on food and electricity prices for it to work, that's right, we should all be sent to poverty. With a carbon tax, that's less money for people to spend on a healthy food, less money for people to save or invest in Australian companies on the share market, less money going into the economy, and business being unable to hire more staff, because householders have less money to spend.
How convenient. An "all party" committee to shunt the real action back until the new Senate meets next year. Another sham. They already know what they want to do; they've been sitting on it for three years or more.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (07:42am)
Tue 28 Sep 10 (09:15am)
That's why I voted the way I did. I'm not quite sure the RW have a full idea of the extent to which the game has changed.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (02:32pm)
Bang on zb. That's what we voted for and that's the way it'll work after July. That's the way democracy works. It's all good.
I know that none of us want this stupidity but it may be a small price to pay to get rid of the ALP & Greens for a very long time. This is going to cause real pain & there will be consequences.
"Climate Watch Gold" may be the dumbest thing Julia ever did, bless her!
Tue 28 Sep 10 (07:55am)
Tue 28 Sep 10 (11:32am)
Yup, my thoughts exactly; Labor's just desserts…
Tue 28 Sep 10 (03:22pm)
Terry McCrann - "Julia's experience could mirror that of the Canadian government that tried a similar slick trick to her - promising in the election campaign no GST and then slipping it in after winning the election.
At the next election, it was reduced to two seats. Yes, two seats. And Julia is supposed to be the smart one."
Hoping that the Greens go down with the ALP - but that will not be due to scrutiny and analysis of the MSM. That task will be left to AB, Piers Akerman (Sydney Daily Telegraph), Jim Ball and Alan Jones (2GB, Sydney).
Forget the AFL GF- best sport on TV in the past few days was watching Sophie Mirabella tear Stephen Conroy a new one on last night's Q & A program.
Conroy just sat there stunned with this dumb look on his face as Mirabella went for the jugular- ridiculing both he and the government's Climate Panel.
Mirabella cleaned the floor with this egotistical twerp and it was pure gold.
If anyone can get some footage posted it would warm the hearts of all those who believe that commonsense still has people on the conservative side of politics prepared to defend it.
Here's hoping that in coming days Abbott's team can continue to expose these duplicitous ALP frauds even further.
BTW- why do people- media included- continue to give the mumbling, bumbling Tony Windsor any credit at all. Since when has being a dithering, incompetent, vindictive fool been so mistaken by all and sundry as intelligence.
C'mon people the guy is as thick as two planks- stop calling him 'considered', 'thoughtful' et al and start calling him for what he is- stupid as all get out.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (07:55am)
Tue 28 Sep 10 (09:26am)
Forget the AFL GF- best sport on TV in the past few days was watching Sophie Mirabella tear Stephen Conroy a new one on last night's Q & A program.
I've never seen anyone so uncouth in my life, as her last night. Everyone else chatted on like adults, but she just jumped in every time Conroy opened his mouth. What a hog.
Conroy just sat there stunned with this dumb look on his face as Mirabella went for the jugular- ridiculing both he and the government's Climate Panel.
You didn't get that the audience, panel and Australia was laughing at her simplemindedness? Do you know the difference between a carbon tax and a carbon price, perhaps? Poor Sophie's discernibility is clearly not that granular. I can't believe that any true conservatives would be impressed by her inability to grasp detail.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (10:19am)
Conroy looked like a fool and the audience applauded accordingly.
Ideologues like you don't get the concept of substance.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (10:32am)
BT you didn't watch the show did you. if you did you missed hearing her points, and lack of thought by Conroy.
I beg to differ in that Conroy had no idea of the difference and similarities of the tax or price.
He was just trotting out the standard labor PR line.
As noted earlier a carbon price, or tax, will have the same destructive effect on our economy, low income families budgets, and small business' viability. But, this is all lost on you, BT, as it has been explained so many times before. Now it is just sad as many now, I am sure are laughing at your simplemindedness (nice new word there bt, it explains you well).
Tue 28 Sep 10 (11:11am)
Couldn't agree more.The idiot doesn't even know how to use a computer but trumpets broadband as the ducks guts.Probably doesn't even know what it is just repeats what others say.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (12:19pm)
What rubbish.
The most amusing part of the show was when Miraballa begun ranting about "Marxisits".She was almost laughed
out of the building.
I also enjoyed the time when she tried to make a stupid joke about sex, she desperately looked around for laughs or any display of amusement but she ended up being disappointed.
How pathetic.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (01:00pm)
Don't cry 'Big Ted'. Tame Tony managed to change the topic BEFORE we got an admission that the all-singing-all-dancing-panel-of-climate-inclusion IS only open to those who believe in the climate con, and it only exists for the purpose of determining WHAT SORT of carbon tax mechanism we should have. Julia's version of inclusion is to invite the unconvinced to vote on the mode of execution they'd prefer...in exchange for giving up their right to a trial by jury.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (01:00pm)
Dave, well said.
teddy, get off the drugs
Tue 28 Sep 10 (01:42pm)
Conroy looked like a fool and the audience applauded accordingly.
He's not looking the part these days, he's proved he's a fool beyond all reasonable doubt.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (02:36pm)
Conroy was inept and she was embarrassing. She
did give the crowd something to laugh at. It's pretty sad when Conroy and Mirabella make Oakshott and a sex party pollie look like geniuses.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (07:19pm)
If you ask me, Mirrabella proved herself unworthy of her position last night.
Climate sceptics are not welcome in the committee, because the committee was formed with the understanding that CC is real and happening. How can a sceptic offer anything to this committee?
I would like to think that if any of the members had different ideas about how to deal with the problem (as opposed to questioning the existence of the problem), they would be able to contribute. I don't mind if emissions trading is discussed, although I doubt that it will be the best solution.
Well the people of Indi, look in your mirror – it aint bella!
Yes, it's becoming obvious that the Bogan Princess is indeed a numbskull surrounded by a coalition of idiots from the ALP, Greens and Independants.
I can't wait to see her reaction when things really start falling apart.....like when dudd resigns or when one of the idiotpendants decides he wants to play games.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (07:57am)
Tue 28 Sep 10 (09:30am)
C'on, every single day she has been in office she has handled crisis after crisis with quiet aplomb.
You have to admit that she is one seriously capable person, which is why she negotiated her party over th line to form Government, and one-trick Abbott just… couldn't.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (09:58am)
Seriously capable Big Ted? Does the BER ring any bells? Or her role in the insulation fiasco and the complete debacle of her offshore processing strategy.
She didn't negotiate her party over the line either. She simply rolled over and promised the indepedents whatever they asked for and ceded power to the Greens, thereby selling this country out.
You do spout a lot of nonsense, but no one in their right mind could seriously suggest Gillard is capable.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (10:11am)
Gillard capable? Perhaps?
Trustworthy? Clearly not. The lie that she had to backflip on this key plank of her election platform confirms her past record in showing that honesty is not one of her core values but saying "whatever it takes" is a key value.
Memebers of the ALP parliamentary caucus who *do* count honesty as one of their core values need to speak up and force a move back to the policy on which they were elected, or move to the cross-benches. E.g., those who are "committed Xians", need to prepared to make some hard choices.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (10:17am)
You don't get points for dealing with a crisis that you cause yourself.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (10:17am)
Big Ted......you are getting stupider by the day.
Your comments demonstrate the typical Labor Party stooge......trying to appear intelligent, but only reinforcing your stupidity.
Your name must refer to your swollen brain.....have it seen to urgently before it explodes.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (10:18am)
Like KRudd, when it goes pear shaped it will be spectacular! Fortunately we wont have to wait as long as we did with KRudd - Where's NewsPoll?
Tue 28 Sep 10 (10:40am)
every single day she has been in office she has handled crisis after crisis with quiet aplomb.
That is pure comedy gold!
The crises she has been forced to handle are almost ALL of her own making you dimwit!
BER rorts, Kevin Rudd, dumping the ETS, boat people, hung parliament, and the NBN to name just a few. So many problems in such a short time. This has to be a record, even for Labor.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (11:15am)
In all fairness Ted, it's a bit of a stretch to say she has 'handled' anything really well, apart from 'bs'ing. Just like costello, getting a straight answer from her is near impossible. Really, what big issues has she really accomplished? Apart from scraping back into government, what has she accomplished since becoming PM? The issues of the election are and will continue to be unresolved probably for this term of government.
The idea of the independants was they wanted to give Australia certainty and stability but with this minority it is anything but that. The labor agenda is up in the air now as Julia said and the agenda is now driven by the green and independants. A majority may not have wanted labor or the coalition but we sure as hell didn't want the country run by greens or independants. That is what we have now. They can hold the government to ransom because it just takes one of them to send us back to the polls and sack Labor. I thought the government couldn't be any worse than what we had under rudd and gillard but now I'm having second thoughts.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (11:32am)
"You have to admit that she is one seriously capable person"
So the $BILLIONS wasted in the BER that she managed never happened? Or were they 'capable' stuff ups?
Tue 28 Sep 10 (11:37am)
BT = resident rostered ALP troll of the day?
How's the ALP Damage Control team, worn out?
Tue 28 Sep 10 (12:32pm)
Is bt kidding the redhead hasn't made a real decision of any kind before or after the election other than throwing her lot in with the greens and the independents???.
The boat people are still coming and she is hiding them all over australia,no real decision there.
Really BT it must be hard to swallow all the BS and tell yourself she'll be right mate.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (01:01pm)
Obviously Windsor knows this. A carbon price has to have an effect on food and electricity prices for it to work.
No kidding Sherlock?
Why then haven't the Greens and their fellow travellers been honest with the Australian people then? Instead of the gobbledegook we've heard, why not tell the truth - namely, that the purpose of a tax on carbon [I'm sure they actually mean carbon dioxide, but never say that] is to keep increasing the price of fuel, heating, food, services, manufactured goods etc until the stupid people change their habits and can't stand the pain any longer?
I'm quite sure Abbott will be selling it that way come the next election! Simple message, simple truth.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (01:19pm)
You idiot BT, Gillard didnt handle anything the deal was done by the shadow men trying to cling to power Gillard is nothing but a coniving puppet interested only in herself no though whatsoever for the Australian people.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (02:00pm)
I can't believe we have a dishonest, and a liar PM. Only in Australia.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (04:04pm)
Seriously capable? Best laugh I've had all day. Seriously capable people don't need ten attempts to form their ministry. "Whoops, forgot Education. I"ll just add that to someone else's title. Indigenous Health, hang on, I'm sure I gave that to...I didn't? Oh well, there must be a spare Green or independent about that I can hand that off to."
Big Ted's head is clearly stuffed with the same material as his namesake on Play School.
CO2 is what every living creature exhales. Taxing CO2 is taxing life. For the Left a CO2 Tax (aka - "Carbon Tax") is better than Death Duties - Life Duties are paid everyday in every way for the whole of your life - from your cradle to your grave.
If the Libs can't shoot Gillard down on this we need an Aussie TEA Party to do the job.
Cheers (and welcome back Andrew)
Tue 28 Sep 10 (08:04am)
Tue 28 Sep 10 (09:37am)
Aussie TEA Party
That's the most unAustralian thing that I have ever read, and completely undervalues our own world renowned inventiveness.
We did not give the world the black-box, refrigerator or car-radio by misappropriating the ideas from a foreign culture. We thought of these things ourselves. Zero for originality, GONZO.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (10:10am)
Actually Big Ted my friend - The TEA Party was an Aussie idea. I thought of it around the time Keating was turning the country into a Banana Republic. The TEA Party: it stands for Truth - Education - Action. It didn't take off – we weren't experiencing enough pain then but we will be very soon.
Cheers big buddy.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (10:28am)
Big Ted, If you want originality,why do you Leftist morons call the Liberals the Tories. You seem to lack a brain.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (11:57am)
Yes Big Ted we get it, every leftist is faster, smarter, taller and more compassionate than every right winger. Yawn.
Your comments are so ridiculously pointless. Criticizing Gonzo because he supports an idea from the United States? Que? Does that mean that anybody who believes in climate change is unAustralian because the notion of AGW wasn't created in Australia? Or for that matter anybody who supports the welfare state because it was created in Germany?
Don't think too hard about this mate - your head will probably explode.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (01:08pm)
The tea party's greatest enemy: old age pensioners.
They are social Darwinists who believe that the community shouldn't help those who cannot help themselves.
I am glad that most Australians believe that we should provide for the sick,old and disabled in our community.
According to the tea party, if you are too weak to look after yourself than,due to natural law, you deserve to perish.
And they call themselves Christians!
Tue 28 Sep 10 (01:54pm)
Aussie TEA Party
Tue 28 Sep 10 (03:08pm)
21% of Tea Party members are 65 years and over.
20% of the US population are 65 years and over.
As usual, the nonsense you post has absolutely no basis in fact.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (04:21pm)
bennoba is a sad and tragic fibber:
bennoba replied to GONZO
Tue 28 Sep 10 (02:08pm)
21% of Tea Party members are 65 years and over.
20% of the US population are 65 years and over.
As usual, the nonsense you post has absolutely no basis in fact.
Try 12.9%:
As usual, the nonsense you post has absolutely no basis in fact, and you are a rogue and a bounder.
So this proves that the TEA party has a much higher representation of disaffected, disoriented, fogeyish old guard. And that bennoba is a reactionary limpet troll whose disposition to lying is held back by a hair trigger.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (04:40pm)
"Democrats hold a decided edge among people 65 years and older—a generation that came of age during the New Deal and which relies increasingly on those government programs like Social Security and Medicare which have historically been more strongly supported by Democrats."
I remember you saying that people who had to rely on social security were parasites.
You would make a fine member of the odious Tea party organization.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (05:21pm)
More like a Eureka Party to die for eh Big Ted?
Tue 28 Sep 10 (05:32pm)
Big Ted
If you took the trouble of actually looking at the Gallup poll I linked to, you would have discovered that the figures referred to the adult population. You know, the ones who are allowed to vote.
That's why we use the Link function.
But thanks for the census link and your supporting comments. They makes Reco's comment even more ridiculous.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (05:42pm)
Nothing you have said diminishes anything that I have linked to.
I remember you saying that people who had to rely on social security were parasites.
And I have never forgotten that you are a pathological liar! If you could have backed that statement up with proof, you would have.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (06:35pm)
Hahaha...I love Reco howlers.
The TEA party are against old aged pensioners hahahahah.
So funny, wanna buy a tin hat?
Tue 28 Sep 10 (07:25pm)
Reco, I'm no fan of the Tea Party movement, but I question that source you are quoting.
Over 65s "came of age during the New Deal"?
Bob Dylan is 69, born in 1941. Not only did he miss the New Deal (33-38), he came of age a tad later than that.
The Over-65s group in the US now is made up of those who lived through the Sixties, Vietnam, etc.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (09:13pm)
Who said this?
"Observe the idiocy of leftist parasites like Reco. Nothing is free! It's all paid for with the tax dollars of hard working Australians."
I believe you called me a parasite because you believed that I had to rely on social security.
Am I correct?
Yes, more pensions vote for the democrats over the vile social Darwinist Republican Party and their thugs in the Tea party movement.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (09:43pm)
More of your idiocy.
The tea party is for cutting services and welfare payments.
One tea party nutcase recently said that they should "transform some New York prisons into dormitories and put welfare recipients in them so that they can learn personal hygiene and get some job training."
They are rightwing fascists.
Pure and simple.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (10:40pm)
Am I correct?
Reco, you are rarely correct and this time is no exception.
I called you a parasite because you are stupid enough to believe that things paid for by hard working Australian taxpayers are free. Nothing is free!
The only person who mentioned social security was you.
You are a liar and a toxic bore!
Can someone tell Tony Windsor to retire to the farm (or should that be coal mine) - and go back to sleep.
What is he wasting taxpayer dollars for by sitting in Parliament.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (08:07am)
Tue 28 Sep 10 (01:58pm)
Spot on - I wish he would bury himself on the farm and give us all a break. He could take Oakeshott with him.
As regards Gillard, Brown etc., I thought the smirk on their faces when the Carbon Tax fiasco was announced said it all. However, here are people who seem to be taken in by all this spin. Can you believe it ?????
I hope Tony Abbott makes their lives hell, bring it on.....
Swann is behind the carbon tax.
He knows that his budget projections are in trouble and desperatly needs a future source of funds to prop up a supposed future surplus.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (08:22am)
Tue 28 Sep 10 (02:36pm)
Totally agree, the illusion of surplus in 2012/13 was only ever intended to last until the election.
They are desperate for a way to appropriate more taxpayer funds to squander.
A Carbon tax will have a bigger impact than GST.Yet it will not cut emissions.Itis grandiose gesture politics.Only 1.6% of the worlds man made carbon emissions are allegedly from Australia, so even a 5% cut by Australia is basically meaningless.These independents will tow the labor line, they have been bribed quite well.This government is a farce and it hasn't even sat in parliament yet.Ms Gillard has the front to attack Mr Abbot over backing down on the alleged speaker deal, yet she backflips election policies and also underhandedly targets opposition mp's regarding taking the speakers job, this devious manipulative woman/Gov need to be held to account, yet most of the media and press ignore her/their actions and target Mr Abbott.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (08:22am)
Tue 28 Sep 10 (11:30am)
One interesting thing I think was overlooked in the negotiations with the independants was the difference between Bob Katter and the other two. As I understand it, and correct me if I am wrong but oakshot and windsor negotiated for money (the 9.9 billion). There was never any question about where the allegiance of the green was but Wilkie also took the money for his support.
Katter however had 20 points that he wanted the major parties to give him their views on so he could see what the support for his ideas would be. He didn't even ask for one dollar. He didn't seek bribes or anything, he just wanted to see what support the major parties had for his priorities.
Whatever you say about Katter, that fact says a lot about him.
You need to start exposing the Aussie public to the latest research on sunspot decline it's relationship to previous minimum temps and earlier ice ages.
In another year or two it is going to become overwhelmingly obvious that living with colder temperatures nor warmer is going to be the problem.
The warming trend (if it was real? has peaked and its now downhill for a long time. Remember these sunspot cyles are about 11,500 years long, so get some warm undies.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (08:23am)
Tue 28 Sep 10 (09:24am)
Gees don't mention sunspot activity cooling the world, all the touchy feely left wing ideologue who believe in Global Warming will loose their latest doomsday scenario. However the more loony will most probably start to believe that man made Carbon Dioxide is not just affecting the world but has now started to affect the Sun and therefore we are all truly doomed.
Well how smart can he be pushing a busted scam ? i mean to say he must be joking if he thinks anyone will wear this crap based on utter bullsh.t .This will wipe Labor out once and for all at the next election but Liberal need to question its own support you cannot be half a scammer, i think most people will agree ,we should have the cheapest power in the world but they loot the country and sell it to everyone else whilst giving us stupid green power that's not even viable and we have to pay for all this junk through our power bill increases as well as the carbon taxes ,its a rip off .
Tue 28 Sep 10 (08:46am)
Windsor should care. That swag of money he was paid for his farm should take care of his energy expenses for about 18 months.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (08:49am)
Tue 28 Sep 10 (10:54am)
Windsor got his lusted after payback
on the Nationals by denying them government to settle old scores gong back 20 years.Nothing else matters
to Windsor certainly not his constituency apparently.
Wonder what he sees when he looks in the mirror each morning.
Just to preempt, because the responses from the usual boring trolls is beyond predictable:
No, not like John Howard's. In 1996 he promised no GST in his first term and held to his promise. The GST only came after the 1998 election in which he'd explicitly put it before the voters in the campaign.
No, Julia's experience could mirror that of the Canadian government that tried a similar slick trick to her - promising in the election campaign no GST and then slipping it in after winning the election.
At the next election, it was reduced to two seats. Yes, two seats. And Julia is supposed to be the smart one.
2 seats would be hilarious. Good riddance to the ALP. Quite a few less than the 80 that the Coalition won in 1998 and the 82 it won in 2001
Tue 28 Sep 10 (08:52am)
Tue 28 Sep 10 (09:08am)
But But Tony was going to Put a price on Carbon , same as this committee, he just used a different mechanism
Sack Him
Tue 28 Sep 10 (09:56am)
You and all other bloggers are assuming that we will have free and fair elections in the future. I am not so sure that this will happen.
The ALP/Greens already have their media, both print and TV, propaganda arm in place. They have sympathisers, or perhaps even sleepers, in place in government bureaucracies, Ken Henry a prime example, (EDITED) and even the conduct of the AEC is questionable.
However, control of the media is the most important element in running a successful campaign not only in the lead up to the election, but also during the term of office . It was very clear during this election campaign that the MSM is in the arms of the ALP.
Oh and another thing, funding. Unions have masses of money (extorted from union fees) which are freely used to extol the virtues of the ALP and to smear the opposition without fear of litigation.
Nevertheless, Tony Abbott almost overcame all these factors, so I guess there is some hope that he will be able to succeed next time.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (11:53am)
Sack Tony Abbott, Mick Maggs?
In your dreams son.
Tony has this pathetic Labor/Greens government running scared.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (12:43pm)
1998 election:
Lib/Nat: 5,413,431
Beasley received more than 200 000 votes than Howard. If Howard had a mandate, than so did Ferdinand Marcos after the 1986 election. Howard said that the GST would never be part of his policy and that it was dead.
He lied.
2010 election:
I am afraid Gillard has far more of a mandate than Howard did. She has more popular support.
mick maggs
Turnball will soon rid us of Abbott.
I can't wait.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (12:49pm)
Formerly A Political
It's your side of politics that is calling the democratically elected government "illegitimate"!
There is no such thing as a democratic conservative.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (03:41pm)
Reco, what constitution are you referring to? The 1998 election, seats won by Coalition 80, seats won by ALP 67.
Once again, elections in Australia are decided by seats, the 2PP is a statistic of interest only, it essentially means nothing. Are you stupid or do you have some kind of issue that makes you incapable of accepting reality when it doesn't suit?
I am afraid Gillard has far more of a mandate than Howard did. She has more popular support.
Riiiight, so Gillard won LESS seats than the Coalition but has MORE of a mandate than Howard did in 1998.
Honestly, there is a fine line between spin, lies and downright delusion. You are firmly part of the latter.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (03:50pm)
Reco, you know as well as I do that it's the number of seats that count. The Coalition won more seats than Labor. Fact.
You conveniently fail to mention the 1987 Federal Election where Andrew Peacock won the TPP but Bob Hawke remained PM. Not to mention the recent election in South Australia where Labor's Mike Rann won with 48.4% of the TPP.
You're still on about the GST thing. You lost the argument, get over it. John Howard changed his mind and took it to an election, which he won, not by a lot but he won nonetheless. The 1998 election was specifically fought on the GST, therefore he had a mandate.
Julia Gillard said "There will be no Carbon Tax under the government I lead" before the election and then almost immediately after "sliding" into government wants to introduce the Carbon Tax because this was the price of getting the Green's support to form government. That is lying to the Australian public my friend.
Gillard has no mandate whatsoever to introduce a carbon tax and is only PM now because of political bastardry by the 2 rural independants, who defied the will of their own electorates to install Labor.
NB Adam Bandt and Andrew Wilkie supporting Labor was not unexpected and reflects the will of their respective electorates so I have no problem with that.
This is and will remain a bastard government until it is defeated, hopefully sooner rather than later.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (04:24pm)
Gillard HAS FAR MORE SUPPORT than Howard did after the 1998 election. So, yes she has more of a mandate than Howard.
You think a government that maintains power through a gerrymander and electoral Malaportionment has a mandate and more of a right to rule than a government who won the popular vote by more than 30,000?
Not very bright are you
Tue 28 Sep 10 (04:54pm)
Wrong again Reco.
Howard won government with a majority of 13 seats, 80 to 67. He took the GST to the election and won and therefore received a mandate. As I've said before, you lost that argument, get over it.
Was it a gerrymander in 1987? Or this year in South Australia? Or is it only a gerrymander when your side loses?
Government is not decided by who wins the Two Party Preferred vote, Reco and you know it. That's like saying Collingwood should have won the Grand Final because they had more scoring shots than St Kilda.
Gillard specifically ruled out a Carbon Tax before the election and now plans to introduce it because that's the price she had to pay to get the Green's support. It doesn't matter what the TPP vote was, she has no mandate. Full stop. Even Rob Oakeshott said that in his long winded speech.
Not very bright are you…
Tue 28 Sep 10 (06:39pm)
Once again Reco, I'll simplify it so that even YOU can understand:
Howard 1998 - won 80 seats
Gillard 2010 - won 72 seats
Required seats for majority 76.
80 > 76 > 72
I've never known anyone to enjoy looking dumb as much as you do.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (07:14pm)
With their new alliance with the greens, Gillard has changed her mind. Howard said that he would "NEVER"(please look up the word in the dictionary) introduce the GST.
He lied!
Was it a gerrymander in 1990? Or this year in South Australia?
Yes, Any government that fails to win the TPP and succeeds through electoral a gerrymander or some other kind of electoral malaportionment is an illegitimate government.
The independents made the honourable decision, choosing the government who had more popular support than the failed coaltion.
Labor received more than 30 000 votes than your failed coalition. I suggest you find yourself a box of tissues so you can dry your eyes.
BTW:Are you going to show me that political spectrum where Hitler is closer to Magarate Thatcher than he is to Stalin again?
I found that quite amusing.
Tue 28 Sep 10 (09:19pm)
Tell me, say if four seats(say with 25 000 votes each) go to a party whilst one seat(with 1 million voters) was won by the opposition?
Using your logic, the party with the most seats should form government.
Gillard won the election by more than 30 000 votes, Howard had to rely on a corrupt gerrymander.
Simple enough for you?
Tue 28 Sep 10 (11:50pm)
Just a late comment for reco,
'The independents made the honourable decision, choosing the government who had more popular support than the failed coaltion.
Labor received more than 30 000 votes than your failed coalition'
I'm not sure if you recall but at the time oakshot and windsor made their decision the coalition led on the 2PP (as well as total seats). So at that time using your logic the independants should have chosen the coalition.
Just an observation of your logic that you used to support your argument. It doesn't tell the story you want it to.
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