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Skip to comments.The True Meaning and Interpretation of Article II "natural born Citizen
Posted on 11/04/2010 8:01:39 PM PDT by STE=Q
I wish to undertake a critical analysis of the incomplete works of attorneys Orly Taitz, Phil Berg, and Mario Apuzzo, concerning the meaning and definition of "natural born Citizen" within the political context and intent of Article II. It is my contention that none of the attorneys working on exposing the illegal usurper known as Barack Obama have described any valid theory of law that properly explains why Obama cannot possibly qualify to be President under Article II. I will show what I believe are their mistakes and limitations and expose their incomplete efforts as failed hypotheses rather than valid correct legal theories. I will then state the correct and complete legal theory that I believe clearly defines "natural born Citizen" within the context and intent of Article II and show how and why Obama cannot possibly qualify for the office of President.
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What a crock.
Why does this guy ignore the U.S. law of the early 20th century which goes a long way toward defining what is - and is not - a "natural born citizen?"
Without that law, those like John McCain who were born outside our borders but in U.S. possessions would also not qualify to be President.
"Why does this guy ignore the U.S. law of the early 20th century which goes a long way toward defining what is - and is not - a 'natural born citizen'?
However, he draws a distinction between "Natural Law" ("creator" endowed) and Positive Law (man Made), as follows:
"There exists a Natural Law jurisdiction from which we derive our Natural Rights which are an endowment from Nature, and Natural Rights are unalienable.
There exists a Positive Law jurisdiction from which we derive our Legal Rights, and legal rights are privileges. Positive Law means man-made statutory law from the Latin root posit which means that which is declared and agreed to. It is sometimes referred to as decreed law under a monarchy political system.
Natural Law is defined to be opposite or opposed to the Positive Law.
Political Rights are Natural Rights which are Inherited from our Fathers (Declaration of Independence)."
The one thing that has been made very, very clear is Obama's loyalties do not lie with the United States of America.
"Why does this guy ignore the U.S. law of the early 20th century which goes a long way toward defining what is - and is not - a natural born citizen? Without that law, those like John McCain who were born outside our borders but in U.S. possessions would also not qualify to be President."
I'm not taking a side on this issue. However, I do believe you did not read his article and understand his argument.
It boils down to the concept that neither law nor courts can change the constitution....only ammendments. The original meaning of the constitution stands until ammended.
In his view/understanding only the FATHER of the child mattered and NOT where the child was born. The child of a CITIZEN FATHER would be natural born regardless of where born. The MOTHER (in context of the 18th Century) cannot confer natural born status. Thus, John McCain being the sone of a citizen father is natural born and Barrack Obama being the son of a non-citizen is not. The mother's citizenship has no bearing.
I do not know if he is correct, but I would guess that a court wouldn't buy it because when women became full citizens, then some would infer that they now have the power to confer natural born status on their offspring.
His arguments only work under his original presumption that only ammendments to the constitution can change its meaning....and in his thinking the meaning would have veen clear to someone living in the late 18th Century....only the father mattered.
Hello Jedi Pauly,
I read your article and criticism of my position on what is a natural born Citizen. I must respectfully advise you that you do not understand my position. I would recommend that you read with care what I have written in my briefs to the courts and on my blog. You might then better understand what I have written.
I would like to now address what you have written. I do not know why you place me together with Orly Taitz on the meaning of a natural born Citizen. I believe you understate the extent of my work by doing so. Again, you can read Orlys work and my work so that you can fully understand what each have contributed to the understanding of the meaning of a natural born Citizen.
I have never said that the meaning of a natural born Citizen has changed over time. I do not know where you got that from. Please provide a quote from me with a citation to support your allegation. On the contrary, I have always argued that the meaning of a natural born Citizen has always been the same and has to this day, unlike the meaning of a citizen of the United States, never changed.
I never said that children born abroad to U.S. citizen parents serving in our military are not natural born Citizens. On the contrary, I was probably the only one of the eligibility attorneys who said that a child born abroad to military U.S. citizen parents qualifies as a natural born Citizen under Vattels, Section 217.
As far as your distinction between males and females, natural law makes none other than what distinctions exists between them on a physical level. Whatever positive laws have said or may say about their rights does not change their equality in nature. I do not know why you discount the female so easily. The point is that both parents must be U.S. citizens when the child is born on U.S. soil (or its equivalent). Under natural law, the child acquires as much natural allegiance from the one as he/she does from the other.
I hope that this clears things up for you.
Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
"It boils down to the concept that neither law nor courts can change the constitution....only ammendments. The original meaning of the constitution stands until ammended."
I wrote: "...he draws a distinction between Natural Law (creator endowed) and Positive Law (man Made)"
Natural Law (creator endowed) is — unalienable — and supersedes Positive Law (man Made)which IS alienable!
I do not see how even an amendment can remove a NATURAL —unalienable — right... a right based on natural law.
PS; I use the phrase "a right based on natural law" in the sense that a "Natural Born Citizen" has the "natural right" to run for President Of The United States — providing he meets the other requirements of age etc.
"As far as your distinction between males and females, natural law makes none other than what distinctions exists between them on a physical level."
However, I think he is trying to place the NBC definition in historical context...
... can be a little confusing and perhaps should be discarded in a legal argument, for the sake of clarity.
I REALLY like the way he explains the founders aversion the "titles and nobility."
It brings up the infamous "lost" 13th amendment!
The amendment of "titles and nobility" that was (if I remember)only one state short of being ratified.
I am going to reread the article again and see what I may have missed.
The "Lost" Thirteenth Amendment
Mario, Thanks.
The courts may not remove the president. But the people will. We spread the word of this fraud every day.
I suspect a good majority of people now know the truth, and this is, in part, why the Mid Term election was such a tidal wave. 2012, if he is on the ticket, there wont be many Democrats left standing. The truth is crushing.
By the way... what's with the "your honer" this and "your honer" that?
Yes, I know it's just a "convention" — like referring to land "lords" and so forth — but the reality is that his/her honer is nor more honorable than any other citizen — and sometimes even less honorable.
I think the convention should be done away with.
You can keep the esc. thingy if if makes you happy. :)
PS; We are all honored, Mr.Puzo, to have you here.
honer = honor
The Dems aren't too happy with Obama right now. They're already talking about 2012 presidential primary challenges. They blame him for the mess they're in and want him gone.
I think the market is ripe to expand the birther franchise. Turn it into a bipartisan effort. Explain to the disgruntled Democrats your plan to remove Obama from office. Swoon them with some Monsieur De Vattel poetry. They'll never be more receptive to the idea than they are right now.
Democrat Birthers...the new black.
Please have a look at this thread..Kind as an adjective is natural and native...plus the grouping of the definitons in the Greek-English dictionary.
The author of the Greek-Eng dictionary is the son of a Founder. Enjoy searching..but..explaining what I located..not so enjoyable.
NBC is here..lol..
Another man's opinion...
This is a rather bold statement. Courts have interpreted the meaning of the Constitution ever since Marbury v. Madison and will continue to do so. The First Amendment has been interpreted beyond all original meaning to exile religion from the national fabric and well beyond the original and contemporary meaning of the establishment clause. The author's argument falls apart on its face.
Nowhere in this article is any mention of the 14th Amendment. Most jurists contend that the language of the 14th Amendment changed the meaning of Article II. Certainly, you can't make any argument about Article II natural born citizen without addressing the issues raised by the 14th Amendment.
This seems to be just another assertion of fact when it is just another argument that cannot be settled anywhere other than in the Federal Courts and they won't touch it with a ten foot pole. Life just isn't fair is it?
Wow, even other birthers keep a safe distance between your arguments and themselves.
"It is possible the Founders limited the President to the descendents of the White Europeans who formed the country.
What say you?
You do great work, however, you consistently have neglected the natural right of "expatriation" in your augments & writings. Expatriation is the "KEY" to proving that the founders & colonists had thrown off the feudal law of 'jus soli' & adopted the natural law of 'jus sanguinis'. When you write about the 14th, you can not define its meaning without the addition of the sister Act to it that was passed just mere days after the 14th was ratified. Without this right of expatriation, natural law citizenship does not exist and this right was proclaimed at the onset of the revolutionary war when people of the colonies had to make a choice, British or American, they couldn't claim both. This is the law of nature, man makes the choice, not the soil and thus it is the natural law citizenship that was adopted by our founders, not the feudal law of allegiance to a single person who claims ownership over the soil...
Good points and I don't blame you for wanting to wash your hands of Orly Taitz...
Also, don't forget that even if Obama had legal claim to a Natural Born citizen designation, Obama gave up his NB Citizenship status when he went to Kenya-—the other half of his dual citizenship-—and actively campaigned for Odinga.
Even the much ballyhooed "United States v. Wong Kim Ark" agrees with that!
I use the phrase a right based on natural law in the sense that a Natural Born Citizen has the natural right to run for President Of The United States providing he meets the other requirements of age etc.
Under natural law, a female is under the tuition of the father until she marries. Until then, she is a member of the society in in which her father is a member of. On the day she marries, she leaves the father & joins the society of her husband whom she is now under the protection of.
"In the eyes of the law, the two become one" Justice James Wilson, 1st US Supreme Court
In natural law, no one has a quote, "RIGHT" to citizenship. They have a choice at the coming of age what society they choose to align themselves too. Until a child is of age, that child is the "subject" of the parents because it can not speak for itself. The child owes obedience to the parents & the society in which the parents are members AND the laws of nature dictate the parents owe protection to the child during until it reaches the age of reason that is set by the positive laws of the society. In America, at the time of the founding, it was 21. Sure, the child may have been considered a member of the local society in which the parents were members of, but politically, it was the child's choice to make upon emancipation form the parents. Take that which he naturally was connected to through blood or travel and find another. It is all based on the consent of the individual.
Period, end of lesson. No rights involved, it is as the Law of Nature and of Nature's God intended it to be. There is no right, but there is a choice.
"This is a rather bold statement. Courts have interpreted the meaning of the Constitution ever since Marbury v. Madison and will continue to do so."
The problem is the meaning and interpretation of the "Natural Born Citizen" clause -- in Article II -- is based on Natural law.
If Natural law can be "interpreted" out of the constitution, then the constitution becomes "just a piece of parchment"... writ and un-writ, according to the ever changing whims of man.
Forget separation of church and state.
The subverter's would like to separate the constitution from Natural law; thus making our unalienable, Natural rights --bestowed by a "creator" -- alienable and subject to the State.
In short, the sovereignty -- the liberty -- of "the people" is being transfered to the State.
The State then takes the place of a "creator" that has bestowed "unalienable rights"
To the contrary, the rights the State "bestows" are alienable and can be taken away, at a moments notice, by same.
The stakes are high and our liberty hangs in the balance.
Of course. That's because there exists no such valid theory. Unfortuantely, he qualifies, and no amount of wishful thinking to the contrary will change that. Now stop wasting your time and energy on this dead end, and work to defeat him at the ballot box in 2012.
Every single word in the Constitution may be changed:
1. Judicial interpretation (establishment clause, commerce clause
2. Amendment (Amendments 1 through n)
3. Constitutional Convention (yet to occur)
There are no exceptions for "natural law" whatever that means.
"In natural law, no one has a quote, RIGHT to citizenship. They have a choice at the coming of age what society they choose to align themselves too."
I simply defined my terms.
A "RIGHT" based on Natural law is a Natural -- intrinsic -- indelible right.
It goes without saying that a Natural RIGHT can be exercised -- or not -- at the discretion of the individual, at the coming of age.
In fact, expatriation is itself a Natural Right -- as you pointed out in post #24
I believe one has a Natural right to self defense.
Does that mean one can't "choose" to be a pacifist?
Of course not!
There is no right, but there is a choice.
There may be both a Natural right AND a choice.
The two are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
"Government, in my humble opinion, should be formed to secure and to enlarge the exercise of the NATURAL rights of its members; and every government, which has not this in view, as its principal object, is not a government of the legitimate kind"... James Wilson, Lectures on Law, 1791
Whatever that means?
Are you being deliberately obtuse?... cynical?... or did you simply forget the sarcasm tag?
This was not the case of Obama. He clearly had a choice between 2 societies in which he was born into according to current US interpretation of the 14th. The 14th was NOT law in 1789 when A21C5 qualifications were written because at the moment of his birth to married parents, the father being British, Great Britain could claim him as one of their own if war should break out between the US & GB.
US Circuit Court, District of Columbia, 1808:
Contee v. Godfrey, 6 Fed. Cas. 361 (#3140) (U.S.C.C. D.C. 1808), denied that the British-born daughter of an American antenatus who had chosen the British side could claim citizenship under the statute 7 Anne c. 5 (discussed in Kettner, Am. Citizenship, 20) which in English law had extended subjectship to the foreign-born children of subjects. In this case, the parents choice of alienage (before the daughters birth) clearly affected the descendant.
This was not the case of Obama. He clearly had a choice between 2 societies in which he was born into according to current US interpretation of the 14th. The 14th was NOT law in 1789 when A21C5 qualifications were written because at the moment of his birth to married parents, the father being British, Great Britain could claim him as one of their own if war should break out between the US & GB.
US Circuit Court, District of Columbia, 1808: Contee v. Godfrey, 6 Fed. Cas. 361 (#3140) (U.S.C.C. D.C. 1808), denied that the British-born daughter of an American antenatus who had chosen the British side could claim citizenship under the statute 7 Anne c. 5 (discussed in Kettner, Am. Citizenship, 20) which in English law had extended subjectship to the foreign-born children of subjects. In this case, the parents choice of alienage (before the daughters birth) clearly affected the descendant.
Ah so!
Very interesting.
I hope that Mr. Apuzzo will take a look at your argument.
I thought that you and I were done feuding but I see that I was mistaken.
It is some coincidence that your treatment of my position on the meaning of a "natural born Citizen" is so similar to that of Jedi. Like I told Jedi, it might be a good idea to read my writings before posting on the internet what my position is or is not on the definition of an Article II "natural born Citizen." Your "compliment" that I do "great work" rings so hollow and insincere given that you state falsehoods regarding my position and attack me with no basis.
You say that I have "consistenly neglected the natural right of 'expatriation' in [my] arguments & writings." Here is what I wrote on my blog in August 20, 2009:
"The English common law had no concern for whether a person consented to be declared a "natural born subject." This phenomenon was made much worse by the British not allowing any "natural born subjects" to expatriate and forcing them to be bound to the King for life through their perpetual natural allegiance. The English common law provided for perpetual natural allegiance which a subject could never renounce (once a British subject always a British subject). The English common law did not allow for a natural born subject to elect upon becoming of age another citizenship. English common law did not recognize a natural born subject as losing his or her allegiance to the King through the act of naturalizing in another country. But U.S. common law and statutes provided that an alien or U.S. citizen could expatriate and become a different citizen from that which he/she was born. For the Founders, consent was the foundation of citizenship. It was through that consent that the Founders expected U.S. citizens to give their absolute and sole allegiance to the U.S. This consent which was expressed as a transfer of allegiance to the U.S. was also critical to an alien becoming a naturalized U.S. citizen. It was expatriation that allowed foreigners to come to America, naturalize, and procreate a child on U.S. soil, which allowed that child to be born with sole allegiance and loyalty to the U.S. and eligible to be President. The Founders knowledge of consent as the basis for citizenship and acceptance of expatriation and election of citizenship upon becoming of age, had their source in the law of nations and not in the English common law which did not involve itself with these concepts."
Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
August 20, 2009
Mario Apuzzo, 'The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law' as U.S. Federal Common Law Not English Common Law Define What an Article II Natural Born Citizen Is (August 20, 2009)
Here is what I wrote on May 19, 2010:
"A natural born subject under English common law could never renounce his or her allegiance. Mannie Brown explained the old common-law doctrine Nemo potest exuere patriam by quoting Lord Coke in Calvins Case: Ligeance is a true and faithful obedience of the subject due to his Sovereign. This ligeance and obedience is an incident inseparable to every subject; for as soon as he is born he oweth by birth-right ligeance and obedience to his Sovereign. Mannie Brown, Expatriation of Infants, University of Toronto Press 97 (1939). But as we have seen above, in his 1799 citizenship law Jefferson wrote that a person could exercise his natural right of expatriating himself whensoever he saw fit to do so. Jefferson included in his law a right in a person to relinquish his citizenship in a manner prescribed by law. This right was known as the right to expatriate which was not only alien to English common law but forbidden by it. Jeffersons idea that a person could renounce allegiance to the country of his or her birth was so accepted by early Congresses and society that Congress codified this right by passing the Naturalization Act of 1795 (1 Stat. 414, c. 20), which provided persons naturalizing in the United States to absolutely renounce and abjure all allegiance to any foreign prince or state and to support the Constitution. Over the years, there continued a debate in the courts whether an American citizen could expatriate himself or herself. The matter was finally settled in 1868, when Congress passed the Expatriation Act of 1868 and Representative Woodward of Pennsylvania proclaimed that by doing so Congress had driven feudalism from our shores.
Jeffersons views on a person having a right to expatriate reveal that he looked to natural law and the law of nations and Vattel rather than the English common law on questions of citizenship. In a letter dated June 12, 1817, to Dr. John Manners, Jefferson made his views on whether the English common law applied to such questions well known:
"To Doctor John Manners.
Monticello, June 12, 1817.
Your favor of May 20th has been received some time since, but the increasing inertness of age renders me slow in obeying the calls of the writing table, and less equal than I have been to its labors.
My opinion on the right of Expatriation has been, so long ago as the year 1776, consigned to record in the act of the Virginia code, drawn by myself, recognizing the right expressly, and prescribing the mode of exercising it. The evidence of this natural right, like that of our right to life, liberty, the use of our faculties, the pursuit of happiness, is not left to the feeble and sophistical investigations of reason, but is impressed on the sense of every man. We do not claim these under the charters of kings or legislators, but under the King of kings. If he has made it a law in the nature of man to pursue his own happiness, he has left him free in the choice of place as well as mode; and we may safely call on the whole body of English jurists to produce the map on which Nature has traced, for each individual, the geographical line which she forbids him to cross in pursuit of happiness. It certainly does not exist in his mind. Where, then, is it? I believe, too, I might safely affirm, that there is not another nation, civilized or savage, which has ever denied this natural right. I doubt if there is another which refuses its exercise. I know it is allowed in some of the most respectable countries of continental Europe, nor have I ever heard of one in which it was not. How it is among our savage neighbors, who have no law but that of Nature, we all know. . . . " http://yamaguchy.netfirms.com/7897401/jefferson/1817.html. We can see how Jefferson was clear in stating the right to expatriate, like the right to life, liberty, and to pursue happiness, was a natural right that came from God and not from the English common law. He also explained that the English common law was adopted by the states and was applied by them on local issues. But when it came to the national government, he stated that no such law was adopted. Hence, the right to expatriate could have come only from natural law rather than the English common law. As Jefferson applied natural law to the question of expatriation, he would have also applied it to defining a natural born Citizen. These historical writings show that Jefferson surely would not have considered a natural born Citizen to have the same meaning as an English common law natural born subject.
All this leads us to the inescapable conclusion that the Founders and Framers did not give the natural born Citizen clause the same meaning that the English common law gave to a natural born subject. For further information explaining that the Framers did not rely upon English common law but rather natural law, the law of nations, and Vattel to define a natural born Citizen, see my essay entitled, 'The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law' as U.S. Federal Common Law Not English Common Law Define What an Article II Natural Born Citizen Is."
Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
May 19, 2010
Mario Apuzzo, A U.S. Constitution Article II natural born Citizen Is Not the Same As an English Common Law natural born subject
These are two examples and I do not believe it is necessary in the interest of time that I go looking for more. As you can clearly see, you are wrong in saying that I do not address the issue of expatriation in my writings.
I do not understand why people like you and Jedi have to attack me (in error no less) in a feable effort to aggrandize yourselves. Just leave me out of your posts and just make your points. You and Jedi will have more credibility (whatever is left of it) among those who really know what is going on. The both of you really do not gain any points with well-informed persons when you make unjustified attacks against me.
One would think that you and Jedi (the grader of the works of attorneys who have risked their honor and careers to bring Obama to justice) would have something good to say about the Kerchner case and me given that I am now waiting to hear from the U.S. Supreme Court if they will grant my petition for a writ of certiorari. All this by you and Jedi should lead a reasonable person to doubt your true motives and loyalties.
Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
Your posts are long, loaded with information and the right of expatriation gets lost in the shuffle. Expatriation is the "key" as it does not exist in English feudal law that had only been in place a short time compared to the long history of England. It was a huge part of the civil war in England in the mid 1600's. While you expound on Vattel, you neglect Locke & Sidney who set the sparks flying. Those most distinguished Englishmen, one executed & the other escaped into exile, had much more to do with the actual revolution & why it happened as their works focus on natural law, while Vattel focused on the Law of Nations. Locke & Sidney are the seeds that sprouted the knowledge of true natural law as it originally existed in England well before feudal law was incorporated. So, while you focus on Vattel who was oh so important as the founders were dealing with 13 sovereign nation states, you neglect English history which is key to understanding why the founders even went looking for Vattel. They read Locke and Sidney as youth, they knew of the civil war in England in the mid 1600's & most importantly, they had been taught the heritage of their forefathers and of the days when England first began & wasn't under feudal law.
Supreme Court Justice James Wilson, signer of both the Declaration & the Constitution, 2nd only to Madison in the drafting of the Constitution...
Date: 1791
English law has its roots in Anglo-Saxon customs, which were too firmly established to be completely broken by the Norman Conquest and still form the basis of their common law today. In 1068, having at last reduced the country to submission, William set to work to establish a Roman government on a firm and lasting basis. Roman law, the legal system of ancient Rome is now the basis of civil law, one of the main European legal systems...
I know that the term citizen is often applied to one of the more numerous partyto one of the people: and I shall be obliged to take the description of a citizen from the character which he supports as one of the people. But you will easily perceive, that the same person may, at different times, act or be viewed in different characters; and though his description be taken from one of them, the account of his duties and of his rights too may, on a particular occasion, be referred to the other. This I have chosen to do, rather than to introduce an unknown phrase, or to use a known phrase in a new signification. Besides, the expression is frequently employed also in the sense in which I now use it. Generally speaking, says the great political authority, Aristotle, a citizen is one partaking equally of power and of subordination.
A citizen thento draw his description as one of the peopleI deem him, who acts a personal or a represented part in the legislation of his country. He has other rights ; but his legislative I consider as his characteristic right. In this view, a citizen of the United States is he, who is a citizen of at least some one state in the Union : for the members of the house of representatives in the national legislature are chosen, in each state, by electors, who, in that state, have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the state legislature. In this view, a citizen of Pennsylvania is he, who has resided in the state two years; and, within that time, has paid a state or county tax: or he is between the ages of twenty one and twenty two years, and the son of a citizen...
You will be pleased to hear, that, with regard to this as well as to many other subjects, we have renewed, in our governments, the principles and the practice of the ancient Saxons.
First you said, "you [meaning me] consistently have neglected the natural right of "expatriation" in your augments & writings." I prove you wrong and you fail to admit it. In your effort to deflect attention away from your error, now you argue "[w]hile you expound on Vattel, you neglect Locke & Sidney who set the sparks flying." You really do not give up do you.
Well, you say that my "posts are long, loaded with information and the right of expatriation gets lost in the shuffle." I do not see how my explanation of the expatriation doctrine got lost anywhere. It is clearly written there and anyone could have read it. But you refuse to admit that you did not and rather just continue with more baseless attacks against me.
Also, you complain my posts are long and now you also complain that I did not speak about Locke and Sidney. So you wished that my post were longer if you also want me to write on those historical figures. So which way do you want it?
You speak about Justice Wilson who is very important in understanding the meaning of a "natural born Citizen." You snidely ("oh so important") attempt to undercut the importance of Vattel and rather put forward a theory that the meaning of a "natural born Citizen" may be found in English history and Locke and Sidney who focused on natural law rather than Vattel who focused on the law of nations. You fail to show any connection between English history and Locke and Sidney and a "natural born Citizen." You also fail to realize that both Jefferson and Wilson, among the many Founders and Framers, looked to Vattel as the master on explaining natural law and the law of nations which they believed had a divine origin and was therefore immutable and binding. And it was in Vattel's Law of Nations Section 212 that he defined what a "natural born citizen" ("naturels, ou indigenes" in French which we know is equivalent to "natural born citizens" or "natives" or "indigenes" in English) is.
You also fail to realize that natural law and the law of nations existed well before English history and Locke and Sidney. The law of nations developed from jus gentium which was a Roman concept. Roman lawyers came to believe that jus gentium, since it was based on universal principles and was common among nations, was the lost law of nature. Cicero, a very famous Roman lawyer and orator, who was one of the Founders and Framers (especially Jefferson and Wilson) favorite, wrote extensively on natural law. I could go on at length on this point but it is not necessary for my purpose here.
Again, I do not know what your and Jedi's motive is regarding why you feel compelled to prove me wrong in any way that you can. Again, I do not know who you or Jedi are and would recommend that if either of you have something that you want to share with the public or me on the meaning of a "natural born Citizen," just do it without trying to prove that you know this subject better than me.
Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
Me thinks you doth protest too much, especially against those on the same side of the argument. The term "natural born" appeared in English law well before Vattel & well before feudal law that arose after the Norman Conquest. The tern "natural born" was written in text books & commentaries on natural law that were embedded into the minds of the framers well before Vattel's 1st edition of the Law of Nations in 1758. Where do you think the English originally got it from? Vattel was important because his works affirmed the century's old doctrine of the natural law nations that began with Adam & Eve.
Again, Vattel was important because his works are on the laws of nations according to natural law. At the declaration, each state became a quote "sovereign NATION state", each with the right to make their own laws, including those of citizenship as at that time there was NO federal citizenship. The states determined immigration based on the needs of their own sovereign state & thus Vattel was brought in. His works were the epitome of the subject, even by Brits who cited Vattel in their records of "The House of Commons", British Parliament, especially during the wars they. Vattel took natural law, written by many earlier philosophers on the subject and brought it together in one neat little set of works that also included the law of nations. This had never been done before. AND if you actually go to Congressional records, you will find that Pufenfdorf, Locke & Grotius are more widely used when speaking of natural rights of citizens and who those citizens are.
John Adams:
A man must be indifferent to the sneers of modern Englishmen, to mention in their company, the names of Sidney, Harrington, Locke...You and I, my dear friend, have been sent into fife, at a lime when the greatest lawgivers of antiquity would have wished to have lived. How few of the human race have ever enjoyed an opportunity of making an election of government more than of air, soil or climate, for themselves or their children.
You can have all the opinions you want. Just don't make them at my expense.
FYI...If you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen.
Don't try to change the nature of the issue. It's about you making statements against me which I have proven to you are baseless. It's not about you expressing an opinion. So don't try to wrap yourself around some 1st Amendment free speech mantle to try to escape your errors and try to make yourself some victim.
Let me say right away that Mr. Apuzzo has good reason to be a little "sensitive" after what Jedi Pauly wrote.
Now, I'm the kind of guy that doesn't have a problem separating the wheat from the chaff.
I think there were many good ideas in Pauly's article.
Unfortunately, it could have been a far better article without him trying to denigrate those on the front line of battle -- such as, Mr. Apuzzo.
Again, bringing up Mr. Apuzzo (and the other "birther" lawyers)detracted -- unfortunately, I think -- from some of the good points that he made.
In retrospect, I wonder if I did good by posting the article at all.
I certainly did not intend to be part of demeaning Mr. Apuzzo: who has demonstrated, even with just a few posts on this forum, a wonderful grasp of the constitution and the history of our republic.
There is a way to criticize in a constructive and tactful way.
There is a way to disagree, without being disagreeable.
I do not know what Mr. Apuzzo has done to be treated in such a dismissive and disrespectful manner -- and I don't like it!
As I said, Mr. Apuzzo is on the front line of battle here.
There are also thousands of us behind the scenes.
But whether we are at the front, or at the back of the battle, we are ALL on the same team... thus we should be heartening, not disparaging, Mr. Apuzzo.
Again, Mr. Apuzzo has good reason to be a little sensitive after what Jedi Pauly -- unnecessarily in my opinion -- wrote.
In fact, I think he has shown a commendable restraint.
Keep in mind that infighting among ourselves gives comfort to the enemy.
Let's focus on how we can get the usurper out of the White House before he destroys what's left of our republic.
Any way, I'm tired and need to hit the sack.
Good night all!
English law has its roots in Anglo-Saxon customs, which were too firmly established to be completely broken by the Norman Conquest and still form the basis of their common law today. In 1068, having at last reduced the country to submission, William set to work to establish a Roman government on a firm and lasting basis. Roman law, the legal system of ancient Rome is now the basis of civil law, one of the main European legal systems...You will be pleased to hear, that, with regard to this as well as to many other subjects, we have renewed, in our governments, the principles and the practice of the ancient Saxons.
In ancient time, England & Germany were one. Now fast forward to 1868: US State Dept & US House documents, otherwise publ. as Executive documents...By United States Congress House
PERIOD! END OF ARGUMENT! You make things so complicated, you can't even keep it straight sometimes.
I really have a hard time with lawyers who think they, and only they know it all. Especially when they refuse to even learn the heritage of our founders. The heritage in which our entire system & laws are based upon as well as many nations of the world, including Vattel's.
Vattel is VERY important, but he is a mere spec in the pages of philosophers, legal treatises & MANY BOOKS ON ENGLISH HISTORY including that of the SAXONS that are recorded in the journals of the Continental Congress, Constitutional Convention as well as the US Congress.
Mr. Apuzzo: You should not waste your time debating Patlin and her DoppelGanger user ids which seem to magically follow her around the internet seconding anything she says. She seems to enjoy building herself and her annoited ones up at the expense of pushing others down and putting others down. She does it repeatedly. I have heard she is Leo Donofrio's sister. Not sure about that. I have also heard she is a lawyer but not a practicing one. Not sure about that either. But what I do know from observing her in this site is that she likes to crow a lot about her alleged contributions at the expense of putting down the contributions of others. She likes to talk the talk but not walk the walk. She wants credit all the time but gives none herself to other major contributors and battlers in the legal arena such as you Mr. Apuzzo. If she was so knowledgeable about the issues why has she not retained a lawyer, if not one herself, such as her much admired Leo Donofrio or someone else to take her case, in the last year and filed her own case against Obama to help defend the constitution instead of bragging in a blog about how much she has done all the while tearing down the work of others who are actively fighting in the court system to save the republic. Probably Leo Donofrio would not take a case from her anyway even if she asked since he too likely knows that she is all talk on a blog and no walk the walk in real life.
Talk about living in an imaginary world! Now that's funny! I have never hidden who I am...
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Dear readers;
"Apparently I have made a mistake of mistaken identity. I had been corresponding with a 'Doctor Conspiracy' who I had believed was Mario Apuzzo. Due to this mistaken identity error on my part, I misstated Mario Apuzzos position and included him in my Article and I should not have included him. Apparently Mario and I are on the same page now and he seems to be saying essentially the same things that I am saying. I apologize for this confusion and I have asked Sharon to edit my Article to remove any reference to Mario Apuzzo."
WOAH! Yea, I can confirm that for you! Dr. Conspiracy and M. Apuzzo are NOT the same person. Not by half.
Dr. Con isn't even familiar with the writings of Ben Franklin and G. Washington and the other founders who concluded that none but a Natural Born Citizen, someone of Undivided loyalties could singularly command the armies.
In fact, I have to go through my link lists and get his some of the letters that I and others have found. I think they are all listed here in various posts... I just have not had time to get that done. I should send him a letter and tell him I am not going to have time until after Thanksgiving. I have a final and a course project to do in the next two weeks and I have 14 at least coming for dinner on Thanksgiving I have to plan for and get ready.... And I have a wicked cold I don't have time to lay in bed with. My kids are happy tho, I have lost my voice..... >.<
Anyone want to do me a huge favor and post up some links??
Dear Mr. Apuzzo,
First THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK AND RESEARCH! We owe you a debt that cannot be paid. Thank you!
This being said, there are certain ... persons here who deliberately engage in obfuscation. Their purpose is to confuse and to mislead. My experience is that you cannot win against them because like sponges and brick walls, they are incapable of being anything other than the mentally squishy yet hard headed paid mules they are.
It is their job to engage in these nay-saying tactics. They aren't interested in being correct, they are interested in throwing just enough truth around to sound credible and confuse people. Trust me I have been burned by such as these more than once (NO ONE MENTIONS POLARIK OK GUYS!!!?).
The best we can do is to clearly state our case using the fewest words possible with the fewest number of syllables. Bullet points and numbering comments does seem to irritate them for some reason....
I have followed your work for a long time now, and I am sincere in saying, you give me hope for the future! Don't let the birther-lice get to you. They have a vested interest in your failure. The rest of America has a vested interest in your success!
God speed to you... nd from your filings to God's eyes, keep up the fantastic work you have been doing!
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It's quite painful for social media junkies like me to be on Facebook and Twitter today. (By the way, are you and I connected at those places yet? Head to Facebook.com/SOSRadioMike and Twitter.com/MikeCouchman if not. : - )
It's painful mostly because of the political chatter. Everyone's cheering on their side and dissing the other side, not realizing it's all just lawn signs. (When's the last time somebody's lawn sign changed your vote?)
I decided to take this approach once we learn who wins:
This was a very close election. We agree with some of the candidates, and others just scare us. Regardless of who won, the candidates are not savior of our world. Jesus is. Our elected officials are facing a lot of big problems in our country, and it's going to take all the parties working together to tackle the solutions. God is bigger than politicians, economic issues and our country's moral code. Let's set our eyes on God before they wander over to our problems.
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Of all the Hurricane Sandy images I saw this week, this one will stick with me the most:
That's somebody in New Jersey meeting a simple need. Most folks didn't have power. This person did. And they offered it freely.
To me, that's the essence of being a Jesus follower! He called us to meet needs. To meet people where they were. Over and over in the Bible, Jesus proved how important this was with His own actions.
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Busy on Nov. 6th? You can vote early! The links below will guide you to your states voting information website. If you don't see your state... just google your state " Oregon + Voting." Most of the time your local government website will be at the top of the search results.
This is a map that lists the early voting dates for all the states.
Dave from Sidewalk Prophets shares a ton of wisdom on living as a single guy. He shares about the Church moving overseas and even talks about his rejected band names. - [email protected]
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United Camera And Binocular Repair Purchased their Warranty from Walmart, totally worthless Bensenville Illinois
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Following their instructions, I packaged and RMA'ed it to them. In like 3 weeks it comes back- I'm delighted to have my repaired camera back. NOT! Instead, inside is an invoice saying no repairs were made since there was internal liquid evidence.
No Kidding? Gee, doesn't the L in LCD stand for LIQUID? And since the LCD display failed, that just might be a source of a liquid? Aside from perhaps a few raindrops when caught outdoors in the past year, this camera was never subjected to other liquids.
Now for the real kicker? The camera now is TOTALLY disfunctional! So I send a repair center a PARTIALLY functional camera, and get back a totally disfunctinal one. Some repair center.
I tried to call them. All I get is voicemail. I left voicemail and have never had a call back. I suspect I never will.
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Acaicleanse300.com - Acaicleanse300 - Acaiberry colon cleanse to lose 14-20 pounds per month. Energize your body. Feel better. All natural. Guaranteed. This is a complete scam! Glendale California
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12 days after receiving the trial bottle, I received 2 more bottles of the acaiberry supplements. I tried many times to call the toll-free customer support number, it was a recording and I was told to hold for a representative. The recording never changed and after several hours throughout the day trying to get through to talk with someone, I quit. The packing slip said I was being charged $88.97 every 30 days for the acaiberrry supplement.
I did not even get to call and cancel, nor did I know I was going to receive 2 more bottles of the phoney junk (that, by the way, did absolutely nothing for my body). This morning, I finally got through to a man named Iwin at the 8664407533 support number. The rep. said I was too late in canceling my membership and that I would not receive a refund, he told me to f*ck-off and hung up on me.
I am scared that my credit card will be used fraudulently. I am not going to get my $90.00 back nor are the acaiberry herbal pills any good at all. In fact, this is all a very huge credit card scam, and very scary. I am upset beyond belief, as I am quite sure I used my debit card, and my money will be drained from my checking account. I deserve a full refund. This scam needs to be stopped!
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I have ordered and canceled 3 of these offers and they do seem to play by the rules that they have set. I also have seen some offers which give incentives for certain purchases. Which in no way would be the reason for the people, on this and other complaint boards, to buy this product right?
Ask yourselves these questions before pointing the finger! Did you not read the terms? I believe that they were written in English. Did you take up an offer to get something out of it for free on the back end? If so, then obviously you were trying to rip the company off yourselves. Why the anonymous complaints?
Why are people so scared to put their names at least so that these complaints can be followed up and verified? These complaint boards require no verification. It almost seems to me that some of these complaints are made by competitors. It is a simple fact that complaints which are not verified are not valid. Complaining to the BBB and attorney general etc.
The only reason that companies even give in to these things is that it is not worth their time to go through administrative research and spend money on these complaints. They just let them go. The consumer would lose 9 out of 10 in a study done by me and my team about the matter. It just isn't worth the businesses time in a profit sense to spend time fighting the few out of the many legitimate customers.
Also an independent study has shown that the consumer in the US is a much bigger liability then elsewhere in the world. So a lot of companies here don't even sell to US citizens. It's just not worth the effort. Imagine that! Consumers feel that retailers and manufacturers are in debt to them. Well I beg to differ.
It is the consumer that is in debt to the businesses. Consumers aren't doing a favor to businesses buying from them. I will give you the reason. The reason for this is that consumers would have to make everything they buy now! If you want a house, you would have to build it yourself! Remember there are no contractors!
If you want to watch TV... no one to make and sell them to you, so... you would have to go to school and get an education to learn how to make a flat screen, If you want a credit card, you would have to make the plastic go and figure out how to put the black strip on your card, make an ID to match that card and finance yourself.... oh wait a min... You would have to make money too....WOW!
If you want to drive a car... you would have to get an engineering degree, design the car then learn how to build the engine, so you would have to learn to be a machinist, don't get me started on the body and interior of the vehicle!. If you want to better your health you would have to get an PhD in pharmaceuticals, 8 years, get a degree in engineering to make the equipment to make each pill that you would take, oh wait a min.
you would have to do extensive field research to find out which extracts from which plants and animals will get you the vitamins your body needs and in what doses. You see... I can go on and on and on. There is no way imaginable that the average Joe consumer can do that. Not that the consumer isn't smart, although some would argue that fact, but it is impossible to do.
NOTHING would get done! So before pointing fingers about certain things consumers feel that should be mandatory, remember that the businesses aren't in debt to the consumer, the consumer is pretty much in need of the things that they buy and use. Get your selves together and take some RESPOSABILITY!
Don't just try to get off the hook by placing the burden on the merchants who sell you the items that you CAN'T make yourself. Stop being a liability to the economy! The simplest thing to do is deny responsibility, and the easiest thing is to put the burden of that responsibility upon someone else! Why would any business be in business if it were not to turn a profit!
Oh yes... that good old thing called PROFIT! Business owners take upon the headache of getting things rolling, dealing with lazy employees who want something for nothing! Oh yes, most consumers in the U.S fall into that category! There have been studies that have proven that the American work force is the most inefficient workforce in the world! Google it and compare it to other countries and industries. Overpaid and underperformed, that is the main reason we have a hard time competing with other economies as far as competition! I guess what I'm trying to say is... STOP being lazy, self centered and PLEASE take some RESPONSIBILITY!
Read contracts so that you understand everything clearly, help yourselves instead of hurting others and other businesses that employ people like yourselves! One day you may wake up and realize that there very little goods to be bought and no jobs because companies and businesses have all tired of this kind of behavior! Be RESPONSIBLE!
P.S. The BBB, is a profit oriented organization, members who PAY to be part of the BBB are favored and do not receive bad grades! So how does that settle in your stomachs?!
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Better Way Auto Transport Threatened me in an e-mail because I caught him in a lie, and declined his proposal. Internet
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Tough rehab, yes -- but mind you don't end up killing the patient
We're in bits, but if the three Nurse Ratcheds actually pull this off, it will be worth it, writes Daniel McConnell
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L OOKING back, Ireland, like a Z-list celebrity who enjoys 15 minutes of success and fame, crashed and burned in a pitiful spectacle of self-loathing and bitterness.
Things here were genuinely good for a short time, but then the dream turned into a nightmare. We lost our way; we foolishly let it all go to our heads. Fuelled by self-regard and self-absorbed guff, we believed we were the greatest in the world. We became addicted.
Champagne, cocaine, property, helicopters -- all bought on credit, which we now can't pay back -- we couldn't get enough. A nation gone mad.
Even as things turned in 2008 and the true horrors of our demise became evident, we went into a deadly state of denial for over two years.
Only last November, days before the end, came Ireland's Kerry Katona This Morning moment. Under the international glare of the media, Noel Dempsey and Dermot Ahern muttered their words implausibly, denying that we needed help.
It was a cringeworthy spectacle that was more suited to the Big Brother house than international politics and economics.
But when the end came, it was brutal and Ireland, like so many deluded X Factor wannabes or Hollyoaks creatures who eventually derail, had no choice but to seek help.
We were no longer capable of running our own affairs; we were strung out.
Ireland was placed into rehab (the €85bn bailout) and the Troika (the European Commission, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund) was our Priory.
We are now under the care of not just one Nurse Ratched, but three.
Eleven months since we entered Troika rehab, last Thursday the Troika gave a newly sober and clean Ireland an excellent report card.
They praised Ireland for sticking to the bailout programme. Our recovery is on track but we are not "out of the woods yet", as Nurse Istvan Szekely of the European Commission told us. We could still fall off the wagon and slide back into our previously pathetic state.
On the positive side, all the targets were met.
Like all recovering addicts seeking to mend their ways, the new Irish Government has taken ownership of the programme, Nurse Istvan told us.
On the negative side, the three nurses warned that unemployment remained "unacceptably high" and further reforms of the "sheltered" legal, medical and pharmacy professions were still needed.
Nurse Ajai Chopra of the IMF said the domestic economy remained very weak. The continuing EU debt crisis and a weaker global economic outlook posed risks to Ireland's recovery, which has been driven by exports, he warned.
However, in a much-welcomed statement of intent about where Ireland is likely to be at the end of this rehabilitation process, the Troika said the reforms they are insisting on were all to make Ireland more affordable to the ordinary person and business.
They said the privatisation of State companies, as well as opening up the sheltered sectors, would lower costs, including electricity costs, for consumers.
"We want to make the consumer king and we are close to the coronation here," said Nurse Istvan. Using two examples of how bad things are here, he said that in Brussels, where he lives, a trip to the GP costs half of what it does in Ireland.
He also said Ireland had among the highest legal fees in the world, yet the profession was one of the least flexible in the world.
Nurse Istvan concluded by saying that Ireland would be best placed to benefit from any upturn or positive changes made at European level because of its commitment to the programme.
The Troika said the scale of cuts in the Budget was for the Government to decide, as long as it hit their target of 8.6 per cent of GDP.
Despite calls from the Government's own Fiscal Advisory Council for cuts in excess of €4bn, Finance Minister Michael Noonan said the council's suggestion of a more ambitious 1 per cent deficit target by 2015 -- instead of 3 per cent -- was "a bridge too far".
"To pull it back to 1 per cent would mean an additional correction of €4bn. It's a very big ask," he said.
Nurse Istvan said that ultimately the purpose of the programme was to put Ireland on a sustainable footing, allowing it to pay its way in the world like normal developed countries.
The inference was clear. You Irish were all very naughty and it's time you copped on and grew up.
In one way, it really is a terrible indictment of us as a people and on the governments we have tolerated and re-elected, that we needed foreign overlords to come in and tell us how to run our country.
But if we actually get a functioning, sound economy at the end of it, then it will be worth it.
There was some disappointment. Michael Noonan confirmed that he has all but given up on his wish to burn bondholders at Anglo Irish Bank because of continual ECB opposition.
This was portrayed as a U-turn, but Mr Noonan said he had no intention of not paying senior bondholders next week to the tune of €700m, despite them not being covered by the guarantee.
To be fair to the minister, he is attempting to end the use of highly expensive promissory notes to fund Anglo during its wind-down, but this is a long-term fight. He will need to secure that victory if he is not to look like he has caved in on a much-lauded promise to the Irish people.
Nurse Klaus Masuch of the ECB restated its position that burning bondholders was not a good idea and would undermine all the good work to date by the Government.
Another disappointment was the Troika's green-lighting of the continuation of the farcical Croke Park Agreement.
They seem happy enough for the moment to see how much Brendan Howlin can achieve by losing up to 21,000 jobs by next February, but they did leave the door open to come back to it, if it falls short of what is expected.
However, most importantly, for the first time in Ireland's rehab, the need for growth was singled out as a priority by both the Government and the Troika.
Nurse Ajai Chopra said outside investors did not just want fiscal adjustment in Ireland, but also economic growth. The Troika said it would have to work with the Government to consider opportunities to tackle youth unemployment.
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"No one wants to have a lost generation," said Mr Szekely.
We can only hope that, between the €10bn-odd saved from the interest-rate reduction and the money left over from the banking recapitalisation, Noonan and Howlin will announce some measure in December to kick-start the stagnant domestic economy.
Otherwise, our intense rehabilitation will have been for nothing, as the patient will have been killed.
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Very please too see us keep another clean sheet....Also another outstanding world class save from Gomes......There are reports that Harry is prepared to let Gomes go back to PSV...I think this could be another mistake from the Spurs management.....We need to let players have time to get adjusted to the premiership game....I don't think I would want James to come to WHL.....Too old and he also has his bad days....Keep the faith I say......
I am not sure about Bentley a lot of money for someone who is not preforming at the highest level.....Lennon looks back to his old best as does Daws....I was never convinced with Daws but have to admit today was a solid display no donkey mistakes from the young lad... Defensively very good.....Corluka what a steal at 7-8mill fine player....
Jan windows whats needed.
Centre Back and left back....
Defensive midfielder.
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Left midfielder
Striker....Would love to see Crouch or Defoe back at the lane....Pav has had a long season already he also needs time to adjust....I say give him another season see what he is made off and then make the decision....
Well made up we are climbing up the table but still need to keep going....I would love to see has get a good run but every game in the premship is tough.......
Keep it going lads
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Could've sworn I added to this thread...must be getting old (ain't that the truth).
We're still unbeaten agains the so called Big 4 (even though one of them is in 5th right now). And we're going well against teams with United in their name...with one more to go (next)...the one that just overtook us thanks to Pompey not taking care of home turf!
January transfer window? Doesn't sound like we're going to be doing much spending this time around if Harry's words are to be believed, not sure who of quality we can get in. Good to see that Calgary didn't list "goal keeper" in his list of needs.
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You lot are rubbish, you can't even beat West Ham by 3 clear goals!
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good call mountie. i said a while back we needed 7 quality signings.
a striker's got to be top of the list along with a keeper. i hear what youre saing on bents, anyone with a poofy name like that needs to go quick. get pedersen in he's good.
and before ye all get carried away, just remember we're still only a point off the relegation, not good.


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Lead singer of the Village People bans Clippers from using 'YMCA'
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Victor Willis is the original lead singer of the musical group the Village People. Their song "YMCA" is often played at sporting events, because ... I'm not really sure to be honest with you. It's just one of those things that happens, like the wave, or ironic mustaches. Anyway, he's pretty upset at the alleged racist statements from Donald Sterling and took to Twitter to let the team know he's revoking the rights of the team to use the song.
Sterling, you're banned from playing "Y.M.C.A." or any of my music @LAClippers games. And I mean it! #Clippers #BoycottClippers— Victor Willis (@victorwillis) April 27, 2014
Billboard reports Willis does in fact own rights to the song as well as many other Village People hits. So, no "Macho Man" for the Clippers, either. TMZ reports that a spokesman for the singer confirmed he's serious and will pursue action if the song is used.
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I began my build, and I think I'm off to a pretty dang good start here. So far, I've installed some new headlights with LEDs, new LED taillights, LED third brake light, a capacitor for my 2 amps, did the Big 3 upgrade, Cleaned up my cables for the audio system a bit, put on a new black grille, and applied a nicely sized Metallica vinyl to the rear window.
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I'll take some pictures of the Big 3, capacitor, and sound system later.
I've got 2 Sound Ordnace 6x9s in the front doors, 2 Kicker 6-1/2"s in the rear doors, all 4 powered by 55 RMS each, 2 10" Kenwoods under the rear seat in a custom enclosure, 600 RMS to those.
Tomorrow, I'm getting a roll pan painted and put on, scrapping my stock bumper and hitch, getting the hood hinges fixed because they're bent, converting my 4WD to cable system, and repainting my wheels black.
Later this week, I'm putting in cab lights and in 2-3 weeks I'll have new mud tires and window covers for the ext cab windows with a ram head logo on 'em.
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(C) The area or areas shall not include any parcel of land owned in fee by or leased to a municipal corporation or township, unless the municipal corporation or township is a contracting party or has given its consent to have the parcel of land included in the district by the adoption of an ordinance or resolution.
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Mr. William H. "Bill" Gelbach, Jr., a resident of Quincy Village and formerly of 3407 Leitersburg Pike, Waynesboro, PA, was pronounced dead around 2:45 P.M. Monday, May 31, 2010, in his apartment at Quincy Village.
Born January 22, 1921 in Hagerstown, MD, he was the son of the late William H., Sr. and Beulah B. (Nicodemus) Gelbach. He lived most of his life in the Waynesboro area.
He graduated from Waynesboro High School with the class of 1939. He later received his Bachelor of Science degree in economics from Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania class of 1943. He also attended the University of Indiana Graduate School of Savings and Loan.
Mr. Gelbach served with the United States Army Corp of Engineers, serving in the South Pacific Theater, during World War II.
He and his wife, the late Doris E. (Hoffman) Gelbach, were married on October 25, 1958 in the Waynesboro Church of the Brethren. They moved to Leitersburg Pike in 1959. Mrs. Gelbach died on May 16, 2005. Mr. Gelbach moved to his apartment at Quincy Village in January 2009.
In his early life, Mr. Gelbach worked for Travelers Insurance Company in Hartford, CT, where he did various assignments in the investments and mortgage departments in Hartford, Pennsylvania, and New York. In 1950 he returned to Waynesboro and established the W.H. Gelbach Insurance and Investment Firm which later became Waynesboro Building & Loan. Then in 1971 he orchestrated and built the Waynesboro Savings Association and served as Chief Executive Officer and President. Then the Waynesboro Saving Association merged with Home Federal Saving Bank in Hagerstown, MD in 1976. Bill remained with the company as an advisor and served on the Board of Directors. Through his working years, he also was involved with King Merritt and Company as a registered representative of mutual fund sales; Cohu and Company of New York, NY with the New York Stock Exchange as a registered representative; a registered representative for H.A. Riecke Company of Securities and Investment Counsel; and was an agent for Equitable Life Assurance. He retired in 1988.
He was a member of: Trinity United Church of Christ, Waynesboro, where he served on consistory and was a trustee; Rotary Club of Waynesboro, where he was a Paul Harris Fellow and served as Treasurer from 1967 through 1971, President from 1973-1974, and as assistant District Governor for six years; the Waynesboro YMCA Board of Directors from 1952-1978, serving as treasurer and vice president and was the Y's Fund Campaign Chairman in 1951; American Institute Real Estate Appraisers; Franklin County Association of Life Underwriters, serving as President in 1952-1953; Board of Directors and Vice President of Totem Pole Playhouse in Fayetteville; Board of Directors of the Waynesboro Chamber of Commerce, where he served as President in 1972-1973; Central Pennsylvania Savings and Loan League Board of Directors, where he served as President from 1983-1985; Council of Mutual Savings Institutions Board of Directors and served as regional vice-president from 1981-1988; American Red Cross Board of Directors from 1951-1957 and was Chairman of the American Red Cross Fund Campaign in 1952-1953; Sigma Phi Epsilon Fraternity; Knights of Pythias; Benevolent Protective Order of the Elks; Sons of American Revolution, serving as the Conocheague Chapter in 1954; University of PA Club in New York City; Joe Stickell American Legion Post #15, Waynesboro; William Max McLaughlin V.F.W. Post #695, Waynesboro; South Chapter #2977 AARP, National AARP, Mount Pisgah Lodge #443 Free and Accepted Masons, Greencastle, Harrisburg Consistory, Zembo Temple, Alpha Club of Philadelphia; served as treasurer and fianc� committee chairman of the Penn Laural Council of Girl Scouts and a District Committee member of the Mason Dixon Boy Scouts Council; B.P.O. Elks Lodge #731, Waynesboro; and AmVets.
He and his wife bred Dorset Sheep on a small farm. He also enjoyed traveling, golfing, theater, musicals, swimming and the culinary arts.
He is survived by one daughter, Kimberly Ann "Kim" DiBenedetto of Philadelphia, PA; one son, William H. "Trey" Gelbach, III of Waynesboro; and one granddaughter, Alessandra DiBenedetto.
Services will be held at 10:00 A.M. Friday, June 4, 2010 in Trinity United Church of Christ, 30 West North Street, Waynesboro with Rev. Sue D-Heedene officiating. Burial will be in Green Hill Cemetery, Waynesboro.
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